[0:02] Start the meeting with the pledge of allegiance
[0:07] to the flag of the United States of
[0:09] America and to the republic for it
[0:12] stands one nation under God indivisible
[0:17] with liberty and justice for all.
[0:29] Start with the approval of the minutes.
[0:33] Believe we have June 22. We don't have
[0:39] » Okay.
[0:44] Then we're going to move on to what was
[0:46] approved by two. So 610 SAG Main Street,
[0:51] the installation of driveway gates was
[0:53] approved and 182 Townline Road.
[0:58] That was approved.
[1:01] Moving on to old business 124 skate
[1:04] lane.
[1:14] We move on to 60 Daniels Lane Farm.
[1:25] Is anyone here from traffic far?
[1:28] Mark
[1:31] » can you turn on your video and
[1:34] microphone?
[1:36] >> Yep, I'm here.
[1:38] >> Hey Mark,
[1:41] >> can you get Yeah. Hi. How are you?
[1:43] >> Great. We can hear you.
[1:47] » We're starting with this. Okay,
[1:50] >> that's what I have. What do you Would
[1:52] you like me to call?
[1:54] >> No, no, no. That's good. I I'm happy to
[1:57] do that.
[2:01] Um, okay. Are we ready?
[2:03] >> Yes.
[2:06] >> All right. Um,
[2:08] I want to thank you guys for again for
[2:10] the opportunity to present. Thank the
[2:12] board for that. Um, as we discussed at
[2:15] the first meeting, topping farm is an
[2:17] important link to Sagoponic's
[2:19] agricultural heritage. Um, although its
[2:22] primary use is equestrian, it remains an
[2:24] active working farm with horses, barns,
[2:26] paddics, fields, and open landscapes
[2:27] requiring daily year-round care and
[2:30] stewardship.
[2:32] The permanent farm workers who live and
[2:34] work here are essential to that
[2:35] operation. Their daily responsibilities
[2:38] from caring for the horses to
[2:39] maintaining the paddics, fields,
[2:40] fencing, and other agricultural areas
[2:43] are what allow the property to continue
[2:45] functioning as well as maint
[2:47] well-maintaining or as well maintained
[2:50] working farm and preserve its pastoral
[2:52] character. The proposed improvements are
[2:54] intended simply to provide appropriate
[2:56] accommodations for these year-round
[2:58] members of the farm. Our goal is a
[3:01] modest and carefully considered
[3:02] improvement that supports the continued
[3:04] agricultural use of topping farm while
[3:06] respecting its scale, character, and
[3:08] historical context. We appreciate the
[3:10] board's continued consideration and look
[3:12] forward to addressing the proposal with
[3:14] you today.
[3:16] Um so this first slide, the red fills
[3:20] indicate the um they denote the
[3:22] previously proposed column
[3:25] and additional column requested by the
[3:27] board.
[3:28] Uh the canal lever creates a balance
[3:30] through openness and lightness. The
[3:32] gable already has significant visual
[3:35] weight and out adding the outer column
[3:37] would create greater asymmetry um
[3:40] because it's not a true mirror of the
[3:41] bench column.
[3:44] It would also not align with the
[3:45] existing column near the bench. As said
[3:48] uh the additional column would emphasize
[3:50] one edge without creating a clear clear
[3:52] rhythm. And the canal lever helps offset
[3:55] the gable's mass and maintains a cleaner
[3:56] composition.
[3:58] Next slide.
[4:01] Uh the orange fill indicates the open
[4:03] voids for viewing. Um it is our position
[4:07] that balance does not require symmetry.
[4:10] It can come from proportions, massing,
[4:12] materials, and relationships between
[4:14] elements.
[4:16] Uh the canal lever corners are
[4:18] intentional and integral to the design.
[4:20] The open corners create voids that frame
[4:22] views and enhance the experience of the
[4:24] inhabitants, the very people who are
[4:26] stewards of this farm.
[4:28] Adding columns solely for symmetry would
[4:30] alter the design intent without
[4:32] improving balance and symmetry would not
[4:34] be achieved.
[4:36] Next slide.
[4:40] So each porch porch here uh includes a
[4:43] bench oriented towards the fields. The
[4:45] canal lever creates a shaded open void.
[4:48] The open corner provides clear views
[4:50] towards the fields. The design
[4:52] intentionally combines shade, seating
[4:54] and views. Next slide.
[4:58] Corner columns would reduce the intended
[5:00] open views from the porches. Uh
[5:03] properties with views towards the
[5:04] porches are more than 500 feet away.
[5:07] The client supports the open design
[5:09] which best serves the occupants. Uh pri
[5:12] prioritizing the farm workers views
[5:14] towards the field is appropriate we feel
[5:15] for this project. And the following
[5:18] slides illustrate will illustrate the
[5:20] visual impact or lack of of the proposed
[5:23] columns from the street. So, if we go to
[5:25] the next slide,
[5:28] so you'll see the distances to uh Gibson
[5:30] Lane here and to the closest neighbor.
[5:34] Um, and for this western view,
[5:38] the red cone, it's hard to see, but it's
[5:40] there off of Gibson. Um,
[5:44] that's going to be our next uh that's a
[5:46] view in our next slide.
[5:51] You can go to the next slide. Yeah. So
[5:52] that's that's the view from um from from
[5:55] Gibson.
[5:57] So that illustrates this illustrates
[6:00] what we what we showed in plan a second
[6:01] ago here. So next slide.
[6:07] Um
[6:09] so you see that's far far enough from
[6:11] the from the road here. So the proposed
[6:14] sign this is the proposed design is
[6:16] viewed from approximately 500 feet away.
[6:19] Um
[6:26] so the next slide you can go to the next
[6:27] slide
[6:30] » to also illustrate this. This is the
[6:32] same view taken under the morning sun
[6:34] which um with the sun behind the facade
[6:36] in question making the column placement
[6:38] pretty indistinguishable. Next slide.
[6:43] Here are the views with the column and
[6:46] the canal levered corner. uh taken from
[6:49] that west elevation
[6:54] and this is about 100 feet from the
[6:55] house just as a reference.
[6:58] Next slide
[7:02] and these are the views from um I guess
[7:05] well this is the north elevation. Um
[7:12] this is about 75 ft with the column
[7:14] corner and the canal livered corner.
[7:19] The next slide
[7:24] and this is the uh proposed um south
[7:26] elevation that the board requested.
[7:30] This is not visible from Daniel's Lane,
[7:31] but this is the the south elevation with
[7:34] the Canterle corner. And the next slide
[7:37] is with the column.
[7:41] In our view, the added column has little
[7:43] to no visual impact to the neighboring
[7:46] properties.
[7:48] Um, and that's that's it.
[7:52] >> Thank you, Mark.
[7:54] Being able to compare the drawings with
[7:56] and without was extremely helpful for
[7:58] all of you. So, I appreciate that
[8:00] effort.
[8:01] >> Great.
[8:02] >> Does anyone have any thoughts?
[8:03] >> I have a question. Mark, uh, in your
[8:06] beginning you said that the client has
[8:08] approved the overall design. Have you
[8:11] spoken to them directly about the column
[8:13] and are they uh they prefer not having
[8:17] the specific column or is it they just
[8:19] approve the whole design?
[8:23] >> They approved the design. Um, we didn't
[8:25] get into detail about the column but
[8:27] they they rely on us to, you know, for
[8:30] the design and to make that call for for
[8:33] them. Um,
[8:34] >> so they're not they're not aware of our
[8:37] thought to add a column.
[8:40] >> I did send them that note. Yes.
[8:42] >> And what did they say?
[8:45] >> They prefer not to have the column.
[8:49] » Thank you.
[8:57] » Anybody have any thoughts on with or
[8:59] without?
[9:01] >> Not really. Yeah, I'm fine without the
[9:04] column. I'm fine with the column. Either
[9:07] way, it's it works for me. So, whatever.
[9:12] >> I think ultimately it's it's the
[9:14] distance from the view.
[9:16] >> Yeah,
[9:17] >> I think we the presentation did very
[9:20] well to conclude that the candle was
[9:23] superior to it. But again, I just
[9:27] um
[9:30] » I think no
[9:32] in light of the fact that it is all
[9:34] about the view in a in a beautiful
[9:37] location such as this. I I would it's
[9:40] such a minor detail I think
[9:42] architecturally to have the column at it
[9:45] for the grounding which I thought would
[9:47] help. I think it does help but I think
[9:49] also it's not worth it's not enough
[9:52] worth sacrificing a view for your for
[9:54] the people that are inhabiting. So I
[9:57] think we're all fine here on the board
[9:58] with no column. Uh and again I
[10:01] appreciate your
[10:03] >> that motion for us.
[10:05] >> No problem. Appreciate the the
[10:07] opportunity to present it.
[10:09] >> Yeah. Okay. So I'll make a motion to
[10:11] >> second. All in favor?
[10:16] » Thanks Mark.
[10:18] >> Okay. Thank you.
[10:19] >> All right.
[10:24] your sinus
[10:33] making sure
[10:47] we
[10:51] can do
[11:04] I promise
[11:10] you.
[11:30] Y
[11:49] Even if this is
[11:55] true,
[11:57] >> it's the way to answer
[12:00] for next time.
[12:01] >> Yeah.
[12:03] >> All right, we're moving on to 16 Jacob's
[12:06] Way.
[12:09] We're looking at paint colors and
[12:12] chimney
[12:13] in cedar colors.
[12:28] Hi everyone. My name is Nina Gonzalez.
[12:30] I'm here on behalf of um Miss Frober.
[12:32] She can't be here today. Um we dropped
[12:35] off a couple weeks ago uh an updated
[12:37] rendering inclusive of the exterior trim
[12:40] color as well as the chimney selection.
[12:43] Uh I know it was reviewed in the group
[12:45] of two. Um, and I just wanted to answer
[12:47] any questions that you may had uh in
[12:49] that regard
[12:51] because it was brought back from the
[12:53] committee too.
[12:54] >> I had one question. I went to to see the
[12:57] uh blue granite map. Um, you guys have
[13:02] originally were a medival between the u
[13:05] blue granite veneer or the gray stuck.
[13:08] Is that still an either or kind of
[13:10] situation? No, we have um a property
[13:13] right down the road uh that the client
[13:15] tooured that had this exact stone mockup
[13:17] that they fell in love with and they had
[13:18] to
[13:38] » know it's not always
[13:40] accurate. Okay.
[13:51] » Did y'all want to see that?
[14:01] See, to me that feels like a more of a
[14:03] putty color than like a bluestone
[14:07] granite color. They're
[14:11] looking for a monochromatic feeling,
[14:13] which I know you are.
[14:18] This is
[14:20] Charleston gray.
[14:21] >> Yeah, I brought a color sample because
[14:23] the colors doesn't always uh translate
[14:25] to
[14:25] >> Yeah, that's really helpful.
[14:40] I think that just
[14:43] if you look at HC or you look at this
[14:47] okay
[14:59] are you capping it with this this
[15:02] stone here at the top or will it be
[15:06] >> uh that was a sample of the papers for
[15:08] the porch which was just a thermal boost?
[15:14] » Anybody have any comments?
[15:18] » Um the chimney height is going to is it
[15:20] going to breach the apex of the
[15:23] >> Yeah.
[15:28] Can you hear the plants from the other
[15:29] sides of the house?
[15:34] » This is just
[15:36] it doesn't look very tall. It looks like
[15:38] it is taller than
[15:42] have an exterior.
[15:45] >> I don't believe so. So it might just be
[15:46] the angle of the but
[16:19] And you're not doing paint detail around
[16:22] the windows like you had in the other
[16:23] slides. It's just that area, nothing
[16:26] else on the house. Okay.
[16:33] Bless you.
[16:48] So it is taller. I was wrong. Yes.
[16:55] » They typically are in this context, but
[17:13] Okay. Does anybody have any issues with
[17:15] their plans for the stone coloring?
[17:19] >> No, the stone and the paint.
[17:28] » Okay. Thank you. I'll make a motion to
[17:29] approve.
[17:31] >> All in favor? Hi.
[17:33] >> Thank you all. Have a great rest of your
[17:35] day.
[18:19] You step
[18:35] This is
[18:59] Thank you.
[19:15] That's
[19:32] Don't look at the other one.
[19:35] Okay.
[19:51] » Yes. I passed it back this way. I think
[19:53] it's under by your mouse.
[20:01] » Okay.
[20:03] All right. We're moving on to 53 Hedges
[20:05] Lane. An application for Oh,
[20:09] >> that's a journ.
[20:12] So, now we're going to move on to 836
[20:14] Second Street.
[20:24] I think where this is on the map.
[20:39] visible
[20:50] from
[21:08] » afternoon. Thank you members of the
[21:09] board for allowing us to present today
[21:11] for this project. My name is Robert
[21:13] Treasure from Newman Design
[21:15] Architectural Office
[21:17] Treasure T R E D G E R
[21:24] behalf of the owners Mr. Mrs. Mackey uh
[21:27] to present this uh revitalization of
[21:31] this existing home. Our proposal is to
[21:34] provide new siding, roofing, and a few
[21:37] additional windows. And I can walk you
[21:39] through the project and an additional uh
[21:43] front covering to enhance the
[21:45] architectural elements of the existing
[21:47] home.
[21:51] On this floor plan, it's represented for
[21:54] that front entrance, a roof over reverse
[21:56] gable uh at the front entries. You'll
[21:59] see that in the next few slides. And
[22:02] then a few expanded second floor deck uh
[22:06] deck areas to enlarge the area for ex
[22:11] outdoor use.
[22:15] Top slide represents the front of
[22:17] elevation
[22:19] and uh the new siding. Uh we have both
[22:23] horizontal and vertical siding uh
[22:26] presented throughout the new throughout
[22:28] the residence as well as some standing
[22:32] seam roof as an architectural feature on
[22:34] some of those architectural elements
[22:36] throughout the the building in the front
[22:39] over the garage and in the rear areas uh
[22:42] over some of the master bedroom and and
[22:45] other living spaces.
[22:50] That section on the bottom left
[22:51] represents the addition or additional
[22:55] roof area over an existing room that's
[22:57] already existing.
[23:03] These slides represent the existing
[23:04] house on the top the way it's as of
[23:07] today. Uh painted siding on the
[23:10] exterior. The owner wishes to enhance
[23:12] that with cedar uh with reduh red cedar
[23:16] roof shingles and uh the Alaskan yellow
[23:20] cedar for the trim and the siding. And I
[23:22] have samples here if you like to see as
[23:24] well.
[23:26] Uh the uh on the right side where we
[23:29] have the metal standing seam roof that
[23:31] will be a dark bronze standing seam roof
[23:33] color to blend in with the um the color
[23:36] palette that we have.
[23:41] This, as you can see on the bottom slide
[23:44] on the left, uh we removed the roof.
[23:47] We're proposing to remove some of the
[23:48] roof area that is as depicted on the top
[23:52] uh elevation uh to bring in a cable rail
[23:56] system to open up the views to the
[23:58] backyard.
[24:00] That would be on the that um room along
[24:05] the top as you see there. And then a
[24:07] small area on the rear end of one of the
[24:10] bedrooms.
[24:19] So if anyone has any questions or
[24:21] comments, I'd be happy to ask.
[24:34] What's the material on the roof on the
[24:36] bottom left there?
[24:38] >> The bottom left that is the standing
[24:40] seam metal roof.
[24:42] Uh like a dark bronze color.
[24:45] >> And you have samples of that?
[24:47] >> I do not have samples, but it it depicts
[24:49] the same color as the rendering uh for
[24:51] that particular product.
[25:00] Is there another reason for that being
[25:02] metal versus like the others other than
[25:05] aesthetics? Just out of curiosity?
[25:07] >> Yeah, we wanted to enhance the
[25:09] architectural of the the the residence
[25:12] existing residence and bring it up to a
[25:14] nice format um of what the um what we'd
[25:19] like to see in the building. As you you
[25:21] look on the I guess the slide prior, it
[25:24] does balance off between the uh
[25:26] different roof elevations throughout the the building.
[25:31] Those are enhanced rooms and we wanted
[25:33] to give a little more uh architectural
[25:36] element to it.
[25:44] » Is this an old one?
[25:47] >> That looks like an old
[25:56] side.
[25:58] >> Each side of what? I'm sorry. uh each
[25:59] side of the home
[26:02] >> the calculations for the
[26:05] >> uh I do not the only the existing
[26:07] glazing we're going to be replacing some
[26:09] of the windows uh the only glazing that
[26:11] we're changing is the front windows uh
[26:15] by the entrance to the right of the
[26:17] entrance back
[26:19] that
[26:21] if you see on the top slide right next
[26:23] to the left of the garage
[26:26] uh there are small two little windows
[26:28] about looks like 8 in high or 8 in
[26:31] square. And we're adding a few taller
[26:33] windows in that section just next to to
[26:37] the left of the garage.
[26:40] That's the those are the only additional
[26:42] wind as opposed to also the front
[26:44] entrance window. If you see right above
[26:46] the uh center where that reverse gable
[26:50] is pronounced
[26:51] >> in the rear, that's the rear.
[26:52] >> That's the front,
[26:53] >> right? But there are changes in the
[26:55] rear.
[26:59] But but wise there are no additional
[27:03] windows if that's what you were asking
[27:05] in the rear.
[27:11] windows would just be
[27:18] uh in the front to uh right above the
[27:21] entrance door uh behind
[27:24] sort of uh
[27:27] table there. Um is that a outdoor space?
[27:32] >> Uh directly next to the entry store.
[27:34] >> Yeah. Uh directly above the second
[27:36] floor.
[27:36] >> On the second floor.
[27:37] >> Oh yes. That it's not an outdoor space.
[27:39] It's an interior space. It's basically
[27:40] an expansion of an existing room uh to
[27:44] with a reverse gable. It already has a
[27:45] sloped roof in the room. So, we're
[27:48] proposing to put a reverse to
[27:49] >> Oh, so this is a sort of a shed shed
[27:52] dorm room.
[27:54] >> Uh look at the top photo you can see on
[27:56] the like towards the left. That's what
[27:58] it looks like currently where it just
[27:59] sheds down is a that type of roof.
[28:05] » Are there windows there? It's like a
[28:07] wall. Uh there are no windows uh on that
[28:11] center section. Feel like I could walk
[28:14] up to the screen if
[28:21] » So this is the front entrance area.
[28:23] That's the front door. And this roof is
[28:26] the proposed just a reverse gable over
[28:28] the top of this area.
[28:30] >> Oh, no. Right to the left of it.
[28:33] >> This no in between
[28:35] >> above.
[28:37] >> That's existing. This little guy.
[28:39] >> Yeah, that's existing.
[28:40] >> What room is that?
[28:41] >> Uh,
[28:41] >> is that is that a dormer shed out or is
[28:44] it an indentation? It's hard to tell.
[28:45] >> It's an indentation, but I don't know
[28:47] what room it is exactly in that area.
[28:52] >> It does not.
[28:56] » I don't think it's a storage room, but I
[28:59] know it was set back just like it's
[29:02] um there's another photo.
[29:13] It's not a window.
[29:15] >> No, it's not a window.
[29:16] >> It's just a wall.
[29:18] >> Yeah.
[29:19] >> Why? I wonder why it was like that.
[29:23] >> I also feel like I I don't We don't have
[29:26] all the plants. I don't I don't see two
[29:28] other sides of the house
[29:31] >> to look at. I think we'd be able to
[29:33] tell.
[29:38] I mean for renderings and existing
[29:40] photos we have south
[29:42] >> I don't know you could go open the uh
[29:45] elevations if it's not on the renderings
[29:47] I think we have three renderings of the
[29:48] building um there's another side
[29:52] we could I could show you that on the
[29:54] elevator
[29:57] >> we have a west elevation
[29:59] >> A7
[30:02] I say
[30:14] A3
[30:16] side of the uh
[30:23] on the bottom.
[30:45] Did you asking percentages?
[30:47] >> Yeah, we don't doesn't have any blazing
[30:53] percentage.
[30:58] » I think we need a little bit more
[30:59] information.
[31:00] >> Okay.
[31:01] >> We would love to see what the glazing
[31:04] percentage is of the existing house and
[31:06] then a new glazing
[31:08] percentage for the plants that you have
[31:11] and then if it's possible not too much
[31:14] to ask the rendering of the east and
[31:16] west sides
[31:18] >> we have a west side
[31:19] >> there's a west elev
[31:20] >> I mean elevations we have
[31:22] >> uh the rendering is
[31:24] >> the last page
[31:26] >> the west
[31:30] sorry
[31:32] >> you like to see an east uh render
[31:35] all sides
[31:46] and the glazing differences.
[31:48] >> Yes, I will uh
[31:50] have that calculated and then like I
[31:52] mentioned there's two windows basically
[31:55] where I
[31:59] feel like there's more but it's just
[32:01] hard to see with the before and after
[32:04] photos. Um, when I look at every before
[32:08] and after,
[32:10] I feel like there are differences.
[32:14] Um,
[32:15] >> but regardless, just to know what that
[32:17] difference is.
[32:18] >> Absolutely.
[32:19] >> Um, in general, I mean, I think you
[32:23] know,
[32:24] >> I think you've done a good job of
[32:26] updating this home. Where is the house
[32:30] built?
[32:30] >> I'm not sure exactly, but I know it's a number of years. It's
[32:34] >> 80s, I believe. 80s
[32:41] » from an 80s house to the makeover. I'd
[32:43] say it's
[32:45] >> the land of tea house. It's nice to see
[32:48] some lay hands.
[32:49] >> Right. Right.
[32:51] >> That's a question about the plantings
[32:53] around it because where sit when you go
[32:56] in the driveway, their houses on either
[32:58] side and it's rimmed in I guess privet
[33:02] or something. So when you plan to build
[33:05] it, you'll just go right in the driveway
[33:08] and remove any of the of the trees or
[33:12] anything just
[33:13] >> There was no indication to me that they
[33:15] were going to remove, but we could
[33:17] definitely speak to that. I I'll ask
[33:19] again if there was any
[33:21] three or four houses in that area that I
[33:24] think you could disrupt them.
[33:25] >> Oh, if they remove
[33:29] mention of that.
[33:32] Yeah.
[33:34] The only other comment I think I'd make
[33:36] is maybe consider not glass for the
[33:39] garage doors.
[33:47] Yes, that was to bring up a little bit
[33:49] of more contemporary feel to the uh the
[33:52] design of
[33:54] um
[33:56] I think the garage we're facing the side
[33:59] with a lot of you know screening maybe
[34:01] but I think you know we leave the lights
[34:03] on and it's tidy in there and it's a lot
[34:06] of extra glazing that we don't maybe is
[34:08] not the place where you want to have use
[34:10] those numbers. U that's just a request
[34:14] from myself personally.
[34:16] And then if you could come back to us
[34:18] with the color of the trim
[34:22] seems
[34:23] I know renderings are the color would
[34:26] all be the same material. So there was
[34:29] this is white
[34:31] and yellow feeder with the trim and
[34:34] >> so it's not paint.
[34:35] >> No
[34:36] it'll blend in. Okay.
[34:43] What else I need comments?
[34:46] >> I mean, still a little confusion with
[34:48] the roof lines and the facade, but it
[34:52] not from the historical preservation
[34:54] committee. That doesn't make a
[34:56] difference. Um, no, I think I think it's
[34:59] again it's commendable that we have a
[35:02] lot of people tearing things down,
[35:04] right?
[35:05] >> Understood. But it's nice to see this
[35:07] and
[35:08] >> yeah, they love the house. They just
[35:09] wanted to upgrade it to uh bring it to a
[35:11] nice architectural element.
[35:13] >> And normally we do like continuity of of
[35:15] uh roof structure, but here it does
[35:18] actually help I think break it up and
[35:20] >> Right.
[35:22] >> I agree.
[35:26] So do you have a clear picture of what
[35:29] we need for next round? Yes, I've taken
[35:31] some notes and I will provide uh some
[35:34] information and some feedback from
[35:36] ownership if we need to and and our our
[35:38] office.
[35:40] >> That' be great.
[35:40] >> Thank you so much.
[35:41] >> Thank you. That was very
[35:58] second. paper.
[36:09] Okay. To the driveway gates at 511
[36:14] Daniel.
[36:30] Good afternoon. My name is Shannon
[36:32] Bradley and I'm the owner of Hampton's
[36:34] Permit and Expediting which is located
[36:36] at 16 Window Lane in Southampton, New
[36:38] York. I'm here today representing STEM
[36:41] Partners LLC in connection with an
[36:43] application before the Syoponic
[36:45] Architectural Review Board for approval
[36:47] of a proposed automatic driveway gate
[36:50] for 511 Daniels Lane, Sagoponic, New
[36:54] York. Proposed gate will be set
[36:56] approximately 40 ft from the roadway. It
[36:59] will be constructed of western red cedar
[37:01] S4S vertical grade material and will be
[37:05] approximately 4 ft in height and 16 ft 3
[37:09] in in width. The gate will attach to two
[37:12] 8 in posts, one on each side, which will
[37:15] also be construction of Western.
[37:18] As part of this application, I have
[37:20] provided the most updated survey showing
[37:23] the proposed location of the automated
[37:24] driveway gate along with a color
[37:26] rendering of the gate and a drafted shot
[37:29] drawing illustrating the dimensions,
[37:31] columns, footings, control panel, and
[37:34] keycap. The gate has been designed by
[37:36] East End Automation, which is a company
[37:38] that has designed and installed numerous
[37:41] gates
[37:43] within the village of Sanaponic. East
[37:45] End Automation is familiar with the
[37:46] design standards standards material
[37:49] expectations and building code
[37:51] requirements applicable to automated
[37:54] driveway gates in the village. The
[37:56] proposed scheme has been designed to be
[37:58] cohesive with the character of the
[38:00] neighborhood while maintaining a high
[38:01] level of quality and workmanship. The
[38:03] use of western red cedar and the
[38:05] proposed scale are intended to
[38:07] complement the surrounding property and
[38:09] remain consistent with Sagoponic's
[38:11] architectural expectations. I appreciate
[38:14] the board's time and attention to this
[38:16] application and I'm happy to answer any
[38:18] questions.
[38:19] >> Thank you.
[38:21] for paying attention to the
[38:24] style guide to the gates and if you
[38:27] could maybe just go back to the
[38:28] overview. Yes. Can you point to us where
[38:31] the gates going and show and tell us if
[38:34] there are other gates already existing
[38:35] on the
[38:36] >> There aren't other gates already
[38:37] existing and it should be 40 ft long.
[38:40] >> Yes, there are.
[38:41] >> There are gates. Sure.
[38:43] >> At the main entrance as you come back to
[38:45] the one where the residential part of
[38:47] the property starts,
[38:48] >> but not Okay. The 40 ft in is where the
[38:51] proposed. So,
[38:52] >> and at the end of that flag when you
[38:54] come back towards the house, there's
[38:55] another driveway
[38:56] >> here, right?
[38:57] >> Yeah.
[38:58] >> Okay. So, I I misunderstood the
[39:00] question. I thought you meant off the
[39:01] roadway. I apologize. So, off the
[39:03] roadway, this is the gate that they're
[39:05] proposing. And the reason that it's 40
[39:07] ft back, it says per code, any lot over
[39:10] 40,000 square feet has to have a
[39:12] driveway accessory gate set back 40
[39:15] instead of 20. So that's basically what
[39:18] we're proposing. Um re placed on the
[39:21] survey so that we meet that minimum.
[39:23] Okay. And what is the need for the gate?
[39:26] >> Uh they stated privacy. Uh they wanted
[39:30] the gate for security and privacy. It's
[39:32] really
[39:34] basically the only reasons that they
[39:35] stated
[39:38] >> need a a solid reason and it's hard to
[39:41] find a reason that the other gate
[39:44] doesn't already sort of fulfill the
[39:45] needs of
[39:46] >> I guess from the roadway with all the um
[39:49] I mean there's just such an influx of
[39:52] vehicles and traffic and whatnot more
[39:54] than what any of us are used to in this
[39:56] area especially I mean I grew up out
[39:58] here and it's just something that they
[40:00] really want on a request from you know
[40:03] request approval for. So it does it does
[40:07] serve a different purpose than the gate
[40:09] that's so far in.
[40:16] I do have to say and I don't know but
[40:17] there are a lot of other I don't like to
[40:20] compare and I don't like to give out
[40:22] addresses but there are a lot of other
[40:24] gates on by um Daniel's path that are
[40:26] located in the exact location that this
[40:29] gate is being proposed. Um it is with
[40:33] very nice material. Next, definitely.
[40:37] >> And those gates, are they with open
[40:40] fields or are the gates that you're
[40:42] referring to kind of behind uh greenery?
[40:47] >> At this time, what we're proposing is
[40:49] all open. If you would prefer screening,
[40:51] we could
[40:53] >> the president the gate precedence
[40:57] near there. I don't see any gates at
[40:59] least with the open fields. Uh,
[41:04] I really don't want to compare to other
[41:05] houses, but there are other there's five
[41:08] that I could
[41:11] has a bunch of
[41:12] >> but that's got trees in front. So there
[41:14] this property I I know there
[41:20] >> because of the beautiful um wild flowers
[41:23] and things like that that they plant.
[41:26] It's a different look in that specific
[41:28] location. Not saying it's bad or good,
[41:30] but I think we should be realistic that area will change with those gates,
[41:35] >> right? I do I do think I mean my
[41:38] personal opinion is that the standards
[41:40] that you put forth already in your code
[41:43] to help preserve the beauty of the
[41:46] property. It's the opakeness and
[41:48] openness that you guys command in your
[41:51] code, the height restriction, a lot of
[41:53] things that you already prepare for that
[41:55] people need definitely helps. not block
[41:59] beautiful views. So that's the only
[42:01] thing I could speak to for that. But
[42:03] it's really we're here to see what your
[42:05] thoughts are and see if you would, you
[42:07] know, prove it's
[42:10] take any any comments and there's
[42:12] anything at all that we could do
[42:13] differently. Definitely
[42:16] would like to hear it. I mean, I think
[42:18] in this area and in this case, you know,
[42:23] there are probably a lot of, to use
[42:26] term, looks,
[42:27] >> right? People who want to see it closer,
[42:29] right? And I'm sure that's what they're
[42:32] trying to
[42:32] >> There's a lot. Yes.
[42:34] >> Not have happened.
[42:35] >> Okay. Um, so I think
[42:38] you know
[42:40] the two gate thing is not what we would
[42:43] really prefer
[42:47] but I do understand the circumstances.
[42:48] Does anybody have any other thoughts?
[42:52] >> I feel like if we're trying to avoid
[42:53] precedence of gates then having a
[42:57] president of two gates means that
[42:59] especially one at 40 ft would serve as
[43:02] more of an amorphous buffer to specific
[43:05] uh pet, kids, that kind of thing.
[43:08] >> Yeah.
[43:09] >> Um
[43:12] you know, could I argue that my 8 foot
[43:14] driveway I want a gate because it's wide
[43:16] enough for every corner doing the turn.
[43:24] » But by code, it meets where it needs to
[43:26] be. The code is set up and this is not
[43:29] it's just 20 ft. off of any lot less
[43:33] than 1,000 square ft and maybe
[43:36] >> maybe you're correct. Maybe I'll make a
[43:39] suggestion then to move their existing
[43:41] gate.
[43:42] >> Okay.
[43:43] >> That way we wouldn't be setting up the
[43:45] two gates are okay. Um how does anybody
[43:50] feel about
[43:52] that? Not that
[43:53] >> also it seems maybe 100 to 150 feet in.
[43:57] Uh, I'm not sure if it's really help
[43:58] that much, but there is already an
[44:00] existing sort of uh turnout area.
[44:04] >> Okay.
[44:04] >> Um, so maybe
[44:07] >> Yeah. I'm not sure that makes it much
[44:08] better seeing a gate off of the
[44:09] distance.
[44:10] >> It does actually
[44:12] farther away.
[44:14] >> Yeah.
[44:15] >> So then maybe moving it not to 40 feet,
[44:17] but moving it to where Tony said there's
[44:19] a turn around.
[44:21] >> So how far you could give like how far
[44:24] Can I go back up? Yeah. How far would
[44:26] you want it? Moved in so
[44:30] >> I didn't take a picture of it. Um, but
[44:32] there's already an existing um sort of
[44:35] uh towards the west side of the uh of
[44:37] the driveway. Okay.
[44:39] >> There's a little indentation a little uh
[44:41] almost like
[44:42] >> circular area where there's existing
[44:45] more asphalt looks like for someone to
[44:47] turn a truck around.
[44:49] >> Okay. And one of the big things is is
[44:50] when someone approaches a gate um you
[44:53] know say an unrequited
[44:55] uh UPS guy comes he's backing out there
[44:58] and that's
[44:59] >> so to be able to have a way for him to
[45:02] go in and turn around and come back.
[45:04] >> Okay. So more width to be able to move
[45:07] understand that point completely. Okay.
[45:09] So
[45:20] » thoughts on
[45:20] >> So you're just you're just you're saying
[45:23] push the gate further back but still but
[45:27] that other gate still going to be there?
[45:30] >> No,
[45:31] >> I don't think we want two gates. I don't
[45:32] think we should allow two gates uh as a
[45:35] president. And I think well I understand
[45:37] the situation. They don't want people
[45:39] driving all the way down to look into
[45:41] their land where they're living.
[45:43] >> That's basically
[45:45] >> and I I completely understand that. And
[45:46] so I just think not that we want to gate
[45:48] in the middle of nowhere, right? I mean
[45:50] it certainly probably makes more sense
[45:51] toward the street.
[45:52] >> Would you like influencers where there's
[45:54] wild flowers are out or there's just
[45:56] people getting lost? I
[45:57] >> mean anybody like wanting to
[46:00] >> Yeah, they like to apparently drive in
[46:02] and then get as close as they can which
[46:04] is the gate. it's further in and then
[46:06] they they really do they they impede
[46:09] themselves onto other people's property
[46:12] and just say it how it is and then you
[46:14] know turn around and leave the property.
[46:17] So these particular homeowners wanted to
[46:20] see if they could put a second gate
[46:23] closer to the road and you know prevent
[46:26] that from happening. So I I mean I guess
[46:29] it's happening a lot enough to be able
[46:31] to have me come here and request this
[46:33] from Yeah.
[46:35] understand.
[46:40] Yeah, I agree. I think push back a bit,
[46:43] which is good. I think it's still open,
[46:45] but still be able to see it.
[46:47] >> Okay.
[46:48] >> I can see the gate at their house kind
[46:50] of now back there, but I I understand
[46:54] it's not that easy to see.
[46:56] >> Okay.
[47:00] » So, I would agree with um this gentleman
[47:03] here. Okay.
[47:05] >> Where they can turn around because
[47:06] otherwise they have to back all the way
[47:08] up which
[47:09] >> Yeah. There was a turning spot there.
[47:11] >> Yeah. And they still be able to see it
[47:13] clearly
[47:15] which is losing the gate or
[47:20] it's not the building.
[47:26] » I'm surprised they go down there.
[47:29] >> I know.
[47:30] >> I'm really surp I've never seen car.
[47:33] Yeah. No, I hear you. I'm not I'm not
[47:35] challenging. I'm just
[47:37] >> nothing more embarrassing than back
[47:41] windows.
[47:41] >> So, the two things that I'm coming back
[47:43] with would be to move the gate to a more
[47:45] open with area where the turnound is
[47:49] >> and definitely to remove the second
[47:51] gate.
[47:51] >> Yes.
[47:52] >> Okay.
[47:56] Understand. Is there any is
[47:59] everything else okay? Design good.
[48:02] >> Design's good. Thank you so much.
[48:03] >> All right. Thank you.
[48:04] >> Thank you.
[48:05] >> Nice to be here. Have a good day.
[48:07] >> You too.
[48:10] » So, I'll make a motion to adjourn.
[48:14] >> Second.
[48:19] Stand up on the darest.
[48:43] » Yeah.
[48:47] See how we close.
[48:51] » So we'll
[48:53] select our committee of two for
[48:55] September
[49:01] » committee of September.
[49:05] >> Is anybody want to volunteer? Do you
[49:06] want to do
[49:13] » I don't think we have anything. We don't
[49:14] have anything yet, but sometimes they
[49:16] come up in the middle and they're simple
[49:17] one.
[49:19] >> All right. And our next meeting date is
[49:21] September 28th at noon.
[49:28] » Anybody need a public hearing on
[49:29] anything before we close?
[49:31] >> Okay. All right. Make a motion to
[49:34] meeting. Second. All in favor? Hi.
[49:37] >> Hi.