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Well, welcome to the community to develop a committee, March 21st edition. We'll start out by introducing ourselves and who we represent.

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Sean Anderson District 2 represent part of St. Joseph Township and part of Somerset Town.

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Ryan Sterling district 13 and represent part of the city of Nürtsman.

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Jerry Van Zollman, represent district 18 and that's pretty much a village of Baldwin and a little bit out north about to the primary area.

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Scott Conor represent for district 11, which is most of St. Perry township, a sliver of New York City.

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Richmond area and the village of Starbury.

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My name is Dan Hanson and I'm district 12 and I'll represent the rest of

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the Richmond.

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I'm Jason Sheesett, Community Development Director,

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Ken Wint, County Administrator.

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John Hilger's planner, Community Development Department.

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Julie Peterson, Community Development Department.

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All right.

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The first on our agenda is approval for the minutes of Thursday, February 15.

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Does anybody have any questions, comments or concerns?

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Then let's just let those stand as approved.

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And we'll move right into our public hearing, opening public hearing for...

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Oh, yeah, okay, public comment.

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Is there anybody in the audience?

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Well, sure.

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I'm going to guess, let me just guess it's Kim Dupri.

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Very good. Kim Dupri, Marina and St. Karimina Soda.

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But I do extensive work with the folks over here concerning water quality.

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I just wanted to give you a quick update from what I was here last month.

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Emerald Sky Dairy, we got confirmation from both county and DNR that they have been purchased by the

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And so anyway, they have a Ridge Breeze dairy down in Pierce County that is currently permitted with a Vanguard renewables digester.

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And so I went to bring tonight the folks that I've been working with in Wapaqa, Wisconsin.

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They've done a lot of digging one of them's a Ph.D. researcher.

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And she came up with their non-compliance, their violations in Massachusetts and Vermont.

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We've got 52 of them in the last three years.

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And some of these are very concerning, because they're like hydrogen sulfide,

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being an excess of 500 parts per million, which can kill humans very quickly.

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That happened about four times.

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There was some very close calls around the 400 mark.

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So, I just wanted to bring this to your attention, because Emerald Skydairy does have a bio-gas

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Lotment in their permit

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From 2001. So I want you to be aware of this. Maybe get out of head of it. It might be a good idea

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And then I'll just give you a quick update about Lynn Township in Wapaka. I wouldn't spoke there if they're public hearing of every 28th

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The township denied the Dialgestor there in Lintownship in Wapaka County.

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They base that off of the truck traffic.

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It was going to generate the herd size of the dairy.

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The zoning changes were going to be intensive industrial.

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And they have other parts in the township that are zoned for that.

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And didn't feel that putting an island in the middle of the township

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would be a good idea long term.

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That was their rationale because they have the utilities and stuff set up in other parts of the township for that's types of

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facilities

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They were worried about the pipeline standards

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They were worried about the flaring off of the gas that doesn't get shipped out

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They were very very very concerned about the first responder stuff because a lot of these stacks are a lot higher than what the ladders are for the fire trucks

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So they were very concerned about that as well

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And again, they didn't want anything in the middle of the township, so they denied that I guess because they're under county zoning, this might go before their whole county board.

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So they're, it's not over quite yet, but I just want to give you that update, that's what's going on.

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And that bank, our company is the same one that is the same, we're working with the breeze group that might end up at Emeralds.

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So that's my update. I'll let you know when we know more, thanks.

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Thank you, Kevin, is there anybody else in the audience that would like to speak for

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public comment?

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All right.

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Then let's start this public hearing concerning rezoning in the town of

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Ogali for Ericsson.

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Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman and committee members.

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The public hearing tonight is for a rezoning application by the Bruce and

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Jane Ericsson living trust.

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This is in the town of Ogali.

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It's a 47 acre parcel.

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We'll get to a location map in just a minute.

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So, the current zoning is egg one agricultural, the applicant is seeking an R2 residential zoning district.

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The application specifies that the intention is to obtain the R2 zoning designation for this 47-acre parcel,

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which would align it with other properties that the trust owns along 30th Avenue just to the southeast of the subject parcel.

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As a reminder for committee members, the current egg one zoning district allows

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egg or cultural uses in limited residential development with the density of one

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dwelling unit per 40 acres. Under the R2 zoning district, most egg or cultural

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uses would be allowed, except major livestock facilities, egg entertainment, and

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biopower and manure processing uses. The R2 zoning district would allow major

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subdivisions, which an intolerable galley would be two acre lot minimums. It is not the intention

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of the applicant to do any development at this time. Again, it is to align this parcel with

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other parcels that are owned by the trust.

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Next, just taking a look at some of the general location

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maps,

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a 47 acre parcel outline in blue at the tip of the arrow, like south of Coney Inn and south

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the I-94 in the town of O'Galea, and then zooming in just a little bit farther, you'll see

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200, sorry about that.

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You'll see 230th Avenue along the west side of the parcel. The

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general area is comprised of farm areas, which are cropped. You'll see scattered woodland

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areas. You'll see some intermittent streams that kind of bicec the property, and then we have

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livestock facility, just to the southwest, along 230th Avenue.

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General features the property taken a quick look at the zoning map.

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You'll see in the town of O'Galley the do support a number of different zoning districts.

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We'll talk about in just a minute with the comprehensive plan.

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But the subject parcel outlined in blue is currently zone A1, surrounded by various zoning

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districts, agricultural zoning districts, and the R1 and R2 categories.

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Next we take a look at the tonalogale comprehensive plan.

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In accordance with state statute, rezoning requirements or rezoning applications must

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be consistent with state statute.

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So take a look at the tonalogale future land use map from their comprehensive plan.

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You'll see the subject property outlined in red.

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Again, this is from the Tonovogale plan.

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You'll see the areas in white would support egg 1 and egg 2 zoning districts along with residential, the R1 and R2 districts.

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The Tonovogale, while they do support agricultural activity in their town, they also support the ability for owners to subdivide their property for residential development.

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The town also supports the C2 zoning district in this white area, and again that would be a zoning that would allow egg entertainment uses, not the subject of this rezoning application.

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Tonovogale, future land use summary, a couple policies they reference from their comprehensive

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plan is to create a balance between residential and commercial growth along with their

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egg production and also promoting economic growth but retain the real character of the

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town. Next, we take a quick look at the county comprehensive plan. County policy has been

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to match and reflect the comprehensive plans of the local tones.

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So for this reason, the county comprehensive plan

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designates this property as a mixed rural agriculture.

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You can see from this designation that includes farmland,

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scattered open lands, wooded areas, egg-related uses, cottage industries,

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and limited low-density residential.

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So from that aspect, the county future land use map would also be

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system with the rezoning application, the designation in the county

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complaint would support A1, A2, R1 or R2 residential. Next we'll take a

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quick look at the natural resource map. The map on the screen shows that

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the property is included with an environmental courtyard along the south

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and east edge. And as mentioned earlier, that corresponds to some

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intermittent streams that run through the property that are more active

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after heavier precipitation events.

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You'll see from the diagram up above part of the property

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to the southeast is within a shore land overlay district, which is regulated by the county.

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These are areas within 1,000 feet of a navigable water, shown by this pond in the very

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lower corner within 1,000 feet. The property is also included within a floodplain overlay district,

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which kind of follows one of the intermittent streams. The county does have regulations

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that oversees short development in the shore land, they're regulated by chapter 16 and that

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establishes setbacks and pervious area limits, land disturbance and buffer vegetation requirements,

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if and when this property would ever get developed. Chapter 18 floodplain outlines the use of

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property having to comply with elevated structure requirements and limits on grading and filling.

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Next, we take a look at productive farmland.

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You'll see that some of the property does indicate soils that are considered a prime

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agriculture, but if you look at the remainder of the property, we have some areas of steep

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slopes in the middle and also some areas of gravel and sand deposits.

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So while some of this property is considered a prime agriculture, about half of it, does not

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meet that requirement based on our soil mapping layers.

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Next, we take a look at the agency review of the tonal lagale reviewed this request at their February 12th, 2024 meeting and the tone board recommended approval of the rezoning application.

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Following that, we have our technical review findings outlining one through four referencing tone policies and the request not being in conflict with the county resource management plan or chapter 15 zoning.

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We also say having to be consistent with the comprehensive plans of both the tone and the

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county.

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Again, we talked about natural resource, management plan, zoning ordinance, another

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criteria is that the tone is not disapproved the request and that the rezoning and use is

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consistent with the complaint that does not result in spot zoning, which it does not.

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Next, take a look at the staff recommendation and findings based on our review and the

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consideration of the request, we would recommend approval of the rezoning of the 47 acres

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to the R2 district based on the technical review findings. Number two, the future land use plan maps

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of both the town and county compliance support the rezoning request that the town board is recommended

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approval of the request and that the proposed use is consistent with and can comply with chapter

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15 zoning. And then with all requests coming out of the egg districts, we have to reference

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in our findings a number of answers to questions about the land being better suited for

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a use not allowed in the farmland preservation district. That the rezoning is consistent with

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the applicable comprehensive plan. That the rezoning is substantially consistent with the

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repair, limit agricultural uses surrounding this parcel of land, which it will not.

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As of 430 today, we have not received any public comments from the public notice that

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was sent to a budding owners and published in the local paper.

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That concludes the overview of this request.

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Next John, I'll ask if there's anybody from the public who'd like to comment, either in

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favor or opposed to this rezoning.

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All right, seeing none is a committee have any questions for John.

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I will close the public hearing and move into business item number one.

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And at this time.

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I would look for a motion.

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I make a motion that we grant this rezoning. The Bruce Erson.

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Very good. Is there a second? There's a second. Now is there any discussion?

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Seeing none. Let's put her to a vote.

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All of

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So, a presentation from Washington County, Minnesota,

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Land of Water, June, come on up there and introduce yourself.

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Thank you.

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Good afternoon, county supervisors.

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I'm June Mathowitz, resident of New Richmond.

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Here to present to you today an overview of a working model of a land and water legacy program.

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I know that I'm not here representing Washington County,

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but they have seen this presentation and they're fine with me,

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getting this presentation to tonight. I did work with the program for the last 10 years.

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So I am intimately familiar with the details and the operations of all of it and I really

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think that there are quite a number of people that would be in support of doing this kind

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of thing here. It is really good long-term planning and we know that it's really difficult to

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do long-term planning sometimes in local government, but this really helps move it along. It

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also helps generate the enthusiasm and bring the support forward for protection of water resources,

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especially in the county.

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As residents insist more of the advantage of the water they drink and the valued natural

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features in the county, including the nationally treasured sinkri river.

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This model is offered as an important planning and implementation opportunity that also

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provides a practical, flexible, and functional approach to water protection.

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This program can be seamlessly replicated, adapted, and incorporated into the county's work here.

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It is an attractive program around which everyone can unite and rally, because what it will do for

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is it's good for residents and the environment as it is for business.

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For the next few minutes, we'll provide a brief overview of neighboring Washington County's land and water legacy program as the potential model.

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The Land of Water Legacy Program is a highly valued program by residents there.

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Additionally, every project funded has done so with the unanimous county board support,

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and the elected who supported our popular with residents.

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We'll also share how this work connects with Washington County's comprehensive plan,

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how a personal land becomes eligible for the program, the important role of data and mapping,

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what the acquisition process looks like, but the ongoing commitment for a county is,

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the important role partnerships plan, the success of the program,

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and the resulting impact of this 20-year program.

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So brief overview, Washington County partners

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with landowners and organizations to purchase land

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and interest in land to keep it in its natural state.

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The land of water legacy programs started

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with a small win of state grant funds

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that put into motion a handful of successful projects.

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Soon residents were asking for more

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and then passing a voter-led ballot referendum

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by an easy majority, more than 60% of voters in favor.

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authorizing the county board to bond up to $20 million to protect land and interest in land.

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The results are concrete, measurable, and visible.

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With that $20 million now nearly spent, 47 projects on 1575 acres have been protected

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with partners investing more than $28 million in the county.

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So it draws an enormous amount of money into Washington County as well from outside sources.

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We highlight that this work is integrated into the county's 2040 comprehensive plan with

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goal policy and objectives language focused on protection, restoration and enhancement

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of high quality natural areas.

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Then in water like you see, we want to briefly highlight program eligibility criteria for

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a project or parcel.

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The first five bullets that you see here reflect language from the voter ballot referendum.

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You can see the themes, water, water, water, wetlands, trees, woodlands, parks, trails, open space, and public access.

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The letter bullet highlight additional criteria later established by the county board to provide further program direction.

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This includes prioritizing projects on the top 10 areas, priority areas map, projects that are adjacent to water, or other protected lands.

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projects requested by a city or township, projects serving multiple purposes and allowing

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public access, and projects leveraging additional dollars from other sources.

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Nothing plays a critical role in grounds decision making in data, which is lens the program

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of high degree of credibility with residents.

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The map on the right is the original land and water legacy program top 10 priority areas map,

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used until last year.

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The yellow areas inside the red circles are the 10 highest priority areas,

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parcels within these 10 areas, and along the rivers receive the highest priority ranking.

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We rank every project and focus projects and funding on the highest quality areas and features.

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The top 10 priority areas map is intended to be a guide and provide focus,

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but the county board ultimately decides if any given parcel becomes protected.

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The map on the left is the currently used map upgraded with the latest nature related data and adopted in December of 2023, so just

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most recently. You can see that this upgrade creates a connected corridor between the top 10 priority areas,

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and visually links them with the St. Croix in Mississippi rivers, which will run along the entire eastern and southern boundaries of Washington County.

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And not only connects these areas, but it recognizes that the buffer areas are also important.

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In summary, it is this key map that helps focus efforts in guide county decision making

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to ensure some of the most irreplaceable and highest quality features are protected.

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Just briefly, the mechanics behind a land acquisition project or the general flow of work completed

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once it comes into the county generally looks like this.

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Projects are initially, usually initiated by a landowner directly calling the county, or being referred by a conservation organization.

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The county only works with willing sellers. The county does very little to know outreach.

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Beyond its web page for this program, staff conduct research, create maps, review the site, complete assessments, and rank projects.

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The county board is then given an introductory presentation about the project and signals to proceed with the appraisal and surveying.

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A project typically receives two to four reviews by the board.

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Project or conservation easement terms are then worked out with a landowner, staff, seek

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a financial partner, or right grant proposals to provide project funding matches, and then

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the remaining due diligence is completed in closing occurs.

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In terms of internal structure at Washington County, the program and staff dedicated to the

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program work out of the Office of Administration and convene a project management team,

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with representatives of the public works and finance departments on a regular or as needed basis.

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Washington County's practice is to contribute 30 to 50 percent of a project assessed

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value source from referendum bonds and the county seeks the remainder in matching funds from

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partners. Cities are one of our most frequent partners as we support them in building the green spaces

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and connecting corridors that residents identify with livable, walkable, high quality and desirable living.

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We also do a fair number of conservation easements, so another of the program's most frequent

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partners is the Minnesota land trust.

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State funds are typically involved in every project.

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The bottom square is a list of the different partners the county has had over the now 23

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year life of the protection efforts.

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We note that there are funding mechanisms other than a referendum that could be used to start

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this work.

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Washington County's starting point was an initial small part of funds of state grant funds,

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not a referendum, seeking a feasibility report of your funding options may prove helpful to you

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as a board in discussing how to financially structure a program.

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In terms of ongoing commitments, once projects are complete, the ongoing commitment

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involves conducting site visits, restoring and enhancing a property's natural features,

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and assuring no violations of the protective terms occur.

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In summary, here again, are the numbers

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highlighting demonstrable results from 20 years

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plus of implementing a collective vision.

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These are solid numbers, but visiting the projects

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makes even more compelling case.

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A simple internet search for Washington County

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Land and Water Legacy Program will get you to a short video,

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showcasing some of the projects completed,

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or you could simply drive across the river

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to nearby projects and see them for yourselves.

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You would do well to start with the eyeball property

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in downtown, a northern downtown still water.

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The Conservation Area next to Lakeside Park in Bayport.

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Oxbow trails at Bellwind Conservancy in Afton or Law Lake Park in Woodbury.

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There's also a link to the webpage in a short video about the program on the next slide.

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Starting is of course everything.

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As an initial step, you may hear want to consider just setting up a program as a way to encourage people to donate natural areas to the county.

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I have met many landowners who want to pass on what they have had the privilege of enjoying to others,

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but they do need assurance that it will stay that way.

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Developing a program name and a simple well-designed web page that communicates the vision,

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eligibility, priority areas, and process may help inspire that sort of generous action and build trust with residents.

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A second phase could be to seek some state funding or matching funds from other sources to undertake a few projects,

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so everyone can understand the mechanics of how a project and the program would work.

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The point here being that there is a very, there is flexibility around how this work emerges.

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The important piece again is starting.

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So thank you for taking the time to consider this today.

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I forewarn you, you may find this work to be really fun in one of the more,

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if not most satisfying like a CZU could leave as a county board supervisor.

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I'm happy to take questions if there are some, or you may feel free to contact me with any questions as your time allows.

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You may obtain my email information from staff.

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Thank you so much.

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Do we have questions for June?

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We may have.

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And by email we can contact you, is that right?

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I deeply appreciate you taking the time to come in and see us today.

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It was fascinating.

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Thank you.

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You're welcome.

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Thanks for your time.

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Very good.

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We're going to move on to a presentation by Alicia.

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Environmental Education.

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Good morning.

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It's not morning.

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Good afternoon.

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Good evening.

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I'm Alicia Miller.

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I work in land and water conservation.

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We got our name back and very excited about that.

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I've been during this now for 20 years and Dan and Dan, Dan, Dan, I need new class.

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And Jason asked me to come in and present to you today about what I do because you were at the area contest,

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for the speech, a poster contest, and you're very interested.

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And so I have it said I would come in and let you know kind of what I do.

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So the education program that we have now in Sacred County is very unique in the county system.

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Of the 72 counties in Wisconsin.

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I think we were the first and maybe now there are two counties that actually have an educator on staff,

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who's not just staff doing education programs, but actually an educator to do that.

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And so as I go around the county and meet other counties like,

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this is your full-time job.

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like, well, it's part-time. But yes, it's my job. I don't do something else first. I started in 2003,

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but the program actually started in 2001 with Ruth Stern. And prior to that, there was no staff

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dedicated to that. It was just, people would come in and ask, and staff could, they would fill it in.

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So when I started in 2003, to just kind of give you an overview, we had about 2,625 contacts that year

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with different students or adults in those programs.

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We had 11 presentations that were requested.

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14 streaming college workshops.

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So you notice we get the kids in the stream.

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We do some water testing in the stream.

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Trying to as much hands on as possible.

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10 field days, which is essentially just still outside,

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but not in the water.

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Also, the conservation speaking contest

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and the conservation poster contest.

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That I'll talk about a little bit later here.

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In contrast, in 2023, we had 4,700 and 71 contacts.

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This is down, though, on an average, we have 5,100,

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but we're still trying to get back up from COVID.

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On COVID happen, it cut out our contacts

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at getting into the schools.

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So in 2003, we had 11 presentation requests.

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I had 65 last year.

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Six field days, a career day, the conservation

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and speaking of poster contests,

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Wisconsin and Byrathon,

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Halloween at Homestead,

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we've added adult programming,

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like snowshoeing the conservation partner meetings,

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parade and natives, gardening,

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master naturalist classes to help

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have volunteers at these field days

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where we get the kids out and we get hands on

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and let's try and find out about things.

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We also, with these educational field days,

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don't just work with schools,

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but work with youth organizations,

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like the scouts or with non-traditional classes.

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This is on the left as a classroom Hudson,

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and they say, can you get us out?

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I'm like, sure, you're running on the water,

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and that'd be fantastic.

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And so that was a day that we got to get these kids out

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who'd never been on that kind of stuff before.

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So that was pretty, pretty amazing.

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The classroom presentations,

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because on the only one you can do this,

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I can't get all the schools out into field days.

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So we can't do all these field days,

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But I can come to your classroom.

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And so I come in and we do.

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So the one on the left is stormwater pollution.

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So we talk about marna from agriculture,

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from construction, from industry, from golf courses,

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from sewage treatments, from homes and roads.

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I'm the right we're doing some soil testing, testing for pH and fast-first and nitrogen.

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on, again, stormwater. So, instead of on the left instead of having the display, this is when

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where it's a story we're reading, the kids come up and they pour their pollution into the bucket

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and they see it good dirty. They think that's really cool. We have a groundwater model, so we talk

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about groundwater and soils.

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We also corroborate with the community.

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So this was a school that came in and asked and said,

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I see you're teaching by rain gardens.

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Can you come work with our students?

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They had an after school garden clubs to help them.

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This is a rain garden that was at Hudson, middle school.

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It's not there anymore, because unfortunately,

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that's where they put the extension on on the building.

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But 10 years ago, it was a pretty awesome rain garden.

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It was a rain garden, a perennial garden,

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but she learned it was so cool.

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The kids loved to go out there.

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We do a environmental community events.

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So this was my, my now, she's 16 now, Vera.

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She's a, my friends daughter, but we did a STEM day

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at a school, we do Earth Fest, we've done River Fest,

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we've done Earth Day programs in the past.

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So this was just that water out of the FIPS.

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They wanted to had this education program,

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but they wanted an art part, art side of it,

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but they also wanted the science side of it.

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So I came and helped with the science,

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and then they didn't art projects.

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So you probably have seen this in Hudson, downtown.

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I don't know what wrote it's on them.

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Now down by the library, but up the hill of it,

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in that area, we've done library presentations.

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This was a model that, again,

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that in various gate models,

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but I dolled it up so we could leave it on the rack

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and people could walk by and read it

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they had as they could. Wisconsin land and water in my month of education. So as a county,

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there is a county, a group of counties, and we are part of the Wisconsin land and water

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in my month of education group. So this is all the land and water, soil and water conservation

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boards, and we have a conservation poster contest, a conservation speech contest. We help

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provide the Wisconsin environment and conservation camp. So these three posters up here were

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postures from this year, from the conservation poster contest, and it's divided into different

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grades, but we have here on the far left is a Let's Sister Floran from River, our sorry,

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from Hudson High School, and 10th through 12th grade group. And so if you took first

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at our contest, then they go into the area contest for their compete against eight other

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counties to took third at that contest. The winner of the area goes onto state, the winner

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the state actually goes up to the national contest and the national contest. You wouldn't

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like $100 or something. So that's kind of cool.

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On the top on the right is our second grader. She's from Evelyn Kupal from both side elementary

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school and she took second at the area contest. And then on the bottom there is Corbin Halvers

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and from Rufall's public monastery who also came in second at area. So these were our first

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in St. Greg County, but they took a second at the area.

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We have a conservation speech contest, and the speeches can be about any environmental

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topic, and so again, we have three different age groups on the left, where are elementary,

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so fifth and sixth graders, and then there's a seventh or eighth grade group, and then

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there's a nine through 12th grade group.

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And so this is where we actually had a senior examiner, he's in the senior group, but he's

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a sophomore.

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a human state. So he took first at our contest. He took first at area and he just won

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state. So that was pretty, I was pretty excited about that. I thought he was going to

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let's take. So that's Carter's duty. He's from New Richmond High School. And then in the elementary

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division, second on the left is Veda. She came in first at ours and she came in second at

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area contest.

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Another program that Wisconsin then

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and water does that we help to support it was the Wisconsin and

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Byrathon. It's the state's ultimate middle and high school

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environmental science challenge, where teams of five high school or

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middle school students participate in hands-on outdoor field challenges

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designed by natural resource professionals and educators.

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So they compete in forestry, on the bottom there that's

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aquatics, on the bottom of the left here are the right that's

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wildlife, the top of soils, and in the center is a current issue. So before the competition,

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they know what the current issue is, and they have to do the research and put it together

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with this presentation. And then the day out there, they actually get to go and do all these

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00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:58,180
different stations. And they're all hands-on, so they're pretty cool. And we've Wisconsin.

455
00:34:58,540 --> 00:35:05,100
Wisconsin, St. Craig County has had a team participate each year from 2015 to 2019. And then again,

456
00:35:05,100 --> 00:35:07,260
and COVID things stopped.

457
00:35:07,620 --> 00:35:09,480
We've got new teachers, so we have to build a backup again.

458
00:35:10,140 --> 00:35:12,920
But this year's competition is April 19th, 2024,

459
00:35:13,740 --> 00:35:16,060
and it's always held at the Wisconsin Lions Camp

460
00:35:16,060 --> 00:35:17,040
and Roshal, Wisconsin.

461
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,160
And then finally, we have our conservation camps.

462
00:35:22,220 --> 00:35:24,820
There's a middle school camp and a high school

463
00:35:24,820 --> 00:35:25,900
conservation camp.

464
00:35:26,340 --> 00:35:29,040
And so conservation professionals across the state

465
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,040
come and they help their shepherds

466
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,000
or their leaders of the different stations

467
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,280
at the different things.

468
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:44,800
There's just a canoe trip in this very center there that was a fire building competition all the kids are broken the teams and the first one to burn through the string one

469
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:52,680
So that was pretty pretty intense pretty exciting for the high school one they do some things with shooting sports sometimes

470
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:53,940
there's usually

471
00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:57,800
a conservation project so often they've done like

472
00:35:58,420 --> 00:36:04,880
invasive removal or they've done put shorter than restoration so they're getting an author to kind of do hands-on work to try

473
00:36:05,580 --> 00:36:10,740
learn about conservation progression and then finally the last thing I'll

474
00:36:10,740 --> 00:36:16,420
talk about today is that to do this work we have staff that can help but not as

475
00:36:16,420 --> 00:36:21,720
much as as you can see we have lots of people requesting things from us so I am

476
00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:26,280
partnering St. Rick County's partnering with Carpenter Nature Center and Willa

477
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,060
River and Knickenick State Parks to run the St. Cray Valley Wisconsin Master

478
00:36:30,060 --> 00:36:33,980
Nationalist Program and so what that is is that those

479
00:36:33,980 --> 00:36:36,460
the Council Master Naturalist Program is similar to the

480
00:36:36,460 --> 00:36:40,120
Wisconsin or to master gardeners and that you go because

481
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,700
an education and then after you had the education every year

482
00:36:43,700 --> 00:36:46,780
you do volunteer hours to help keep you current.

483
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,180
But instead of learning just about gardens, we learned about all sorts

484
00:36:50,180 --> 00:36:52,540
of things naturalists related.

485
00:36:53,380 --> 00:36:56,020
And then at once they've gone through this 40-hour program,

486
00:36:56,780 --> 00:36:59,440
they are master naturalists and they could help volunteer

487
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,220
and so we have them help at conservation field days.

488
00:37:02,220 --> 00:37:09,980
doing education. We've had them help with doing stewardship projects, so invasive removal,

489
00:37:10,700 --> 00:37:13,880
and we've had them help with, I always read the third one.

490
00:37:19,910 --> 00:37:23,930
So service leadership and life long learning air, what they come out with, so

491
00:37:24,670 --> 00:37:34,090
those are three things that we talk about. The master interest. This is our 2021 class,

492
00:37:34,090 --> 00:37:40,290
graduate graduating class, but we've done this since 2018, so this actually next Saturday

493
00:37:40,290 --> 00:37:44,330
starts our first class for the upcoming group, so thank you.

494
00:37:45,490 --> 00:37:47,830
Thanks so much for coming, anybody have any questions?

495
00:37:48,890 --> 00:37:52,270
Land and water program, education, excellent presentation.

496
00:37:52,990 --> 00:38:00,010
Mr. Chair, if I could add, we had our five-year WAN and water management plan review a few

497
00:38:00,010 --> 00:38:11,130
And one of the main things that set St. Craig County apart from other counties within the state is our outreach and education and the programming that we should does with our area of youth.

498
00:38:11,550 --> 00:38:15,470
And as she brought up, I think there's only two counties that are doing this in the state.

499
00:38:16,190 --> 00:38:22,750
But all those 50 100 contacts are within St. Craig County are very close to St. Craig County.

500
00:38:23,010 --> 00:38:25,370
So it is a huge impact and it is very vocal.

501
00:38:25,370 --> 00:38:25,470
Well,

502
00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:36,120
I know when I have contact with people like Mike Reiter and Buck Mallock and other people

503
00:38:36,580 --> 00:38:42,840
who work in nationalist community that everybody is always impressed with education efforts

504
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:43,640
that are done here.

505
00:38:44,100 --> 00:38:51,120
And I know that they provide a source of knowledge, does a scholarship and they choose from

506
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:51,980
that pool.

507
00:38:51,980 --> 00:38:58,880
So your work isn't always appreciated and we're proud of you.

508
00:38:59,340 --> 00:39:00,720
So thanks for your time.

509
00:39:01,140 --> 00:39:03,980
All right, we've got a meeting to conduct here.

510
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,960
Let's get on to resolution approving text amendments

511
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,100
to the town of Hudson Zoning.

512
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:12,160
John.

513
00:39:15,710 --> 00:39:17,970
Mr. Chair and committee members, the town of Hudson

514
00:39:17,970 --> 00:39:21,530
is seeking County approval of some zoning text amendments

515
00:39:21,530 --> 00:39:31,230
Under state statute in Wisconsin, even counties with their own zoning ordinance are required to secure county board approval.

516
00:39:32,230 --> 00:39:39,790
In this particular case, the tone of Hudson is adding language to their sign ordinance for their industrial zoning district.

517
00:39:40,290 --> 00:39:44,730
Within your packet, you were provided copies

518
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:47,760
of those standards.

519
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:53,420
we have reviewed those standards. We don't see anything, you know, out of the ordinary or

520
00:39:53,420 --> 00:39:58,260
concerning with those standards. The other thing we did review is to ensure that the tone

521
00:39:58,260 --> 00:40:04,080
followed the proper public hearing notification. We were provided minutes from their plan

522
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:10,500
commission and tone board meeting where they did approve those amendments. And so what we put

523
00:40:10,500 --> 00:40:17,420
together for your consideration tonight is a resolution that would ratify what the tone of

524
00:40:17,420 --> 00:40:21,720
related to their industrial zoning district sign provisions.

525
00:40:25,450 --> 00:40:25,850
Any questions?

526
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:33,420
What? Just summarize. What are they adding? Are they in terms of signs?

527
00:40:33,860 --> 00:40:39,940
Actually, what they did is that when they last codified their zoning ordinance, they did not include

528
00:40:39,940 --> 00:40:46,240
industrial zoning district sign provisions. So they're actually adding in what they had in the

529
00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:53,160
8,000 and really it just establishes square footage requirements for free standing signs,

530
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:59,880
they're illuminated signs, if there's a multi-tenant building, they establish standards for

531
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:05,680
those types of facilities. So again, they're just getting back to where they were. They

532
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:10,300
talk about monument, signage requirements, the width and the height and the square footage

533
00:41:10,300 --> 00:41:18,660
of those. Again, nothing either the ordinary or unusual that we we looked at.

534
00:41:19,260 --> 00:41:21,640
So it's not going to be like Las Vegas out there.

535
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:22,120
No.

536
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:23,060
We'll not.

537
00:41:25,690 --> 00:41:27,290
All right. This could be to have any questions.

538
00:41:29,310 --> 00:41:30,410
Does anybody have a motion?

539
00:41:33,750 --> 00:41:34,550
We need to approve.

540
00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:35,950
I'll do a motion no proof.

541
00:41:36,790 --> 00:41:36,810
All right.

542
00:41:37,330 --> 00:41:38,230
We have a second.

543
00:41:39,610 --> 00:41:40,690
All right.

544
00:41:41,010 --> 00:41:42,510
Any other further discussion?

545
00:41:43,950 --> 00:41:52,330
All right. All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. We'll move on to business.

546
00:41:52,590 --> 00:41:58,050
Aye. Thank you. Number five. Thank you, John. Jason. Phase one, options.

547
00:41:58,590 --> 00:42:06,770
Eckert Bluffland Park developer. Thank you, Mr. Chair and members of the board. So at the last meeting, we talked about some options with the various trails.

548
00:42:07,690 --> 00:42:13,770
one was the northern part of the Eckert Blufflands Park. That was kind of ruled out

549
00:42:14,910 --> 00:42:19,250
immediately. We just due to the cost and the challenges with the terrain on site.

550
00:42:19,530 --> 00:42:26,090
Then we talked about the access here, which is in the black lines. The green lines are the park boundaries.

551
00:42:27,330 --> 00:42:34,630
Then if you remember the white lines here, those were the low cost alternative to get some trails out there.

552
00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:39,990
This is originally planned to be an ADH rail in the master plan,

553
00:42:40,070 --> 00:42:44,910
so it would be a paved trail, but our conversation at the last meeting was that this would

554
00:42:44,910 --> 00:42:49,210
be just be a gravel trail if the committee decided to pursue it.

555
00:42:49,210 --> 00:42:54,590
However, it would be prepped with a good enough base and stuff and with that it would

556
00:42:54,590 --> 00:43:00,230
allow for future pavement of a portion or all of it at some point.

557
00:43:00,230 --> 00:43:17,350
The committee also asked us to communicate with the St. Craig County Highway Department about their willingness and ability to design and install the park entrance here, which we have done.

558
00:43:17,350 --> 00:43:24,270
And I believe supervisor Anderson brought up about having a couple swing bridges and supervisor

559
00:43:24,270 --> 00:43:30,970
Conor also brought up about possibly having the Department of Army potentially help with the construction.

560
00:43:31,810 --> 00:43:37,330
So we've got a couple swing bridges and this will be a bigger phase of phase one,

561
00:43:37,590 --> 00:43:42,070
which would be the yellow lines in addition to the white lines.

562
00:43:42,070 --> 00:43:53,110
The black line here is the existing road going down to the Eckert cabin and the red line here that is River Heights Trail going into the park.

563
00:43:54,930 --> 00:44:00,070
So we don't have exact cost estimates for this.

564
00:44:00,550 --> 00:44:10,070
Last Thursday night I went to the town of St. Joel Tom board meeting to give them an update because before the prior meeting in February here.

565
00:44:10,070 --> 00:44:16,170
here and that Teresa Johnson had brought up and that they had not been approachable of vacating

566
00:44:16,170 --> 00:44:23,450
this northern chunk of highway or old highway 35 and so I went there kind of explained

567
00:44:23,450 --> 00:44:30,450
the process. The town informed me that they would like to have a memo of understanding with

568
00:44:30,450 --> 00:44:38,670
the county or an MOU for it to basically explain who's going to pay for what as far as like to

569
00:44:38,670 --> 00:44:45,030
move of old highway 35, which is our understanding that the colony would do that. Then they

570
00:44:45,030 --> 00:44:52,250
would have some cost for publication of a public hearing notice and to have their council review,

571
00:44:52,250 --> 00:44:59,850
the documents, the draft the documents for the actual vacation of this road, which

572
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:09,260
We can probably do that. As we kept on talking, the original master plan had a call to sack, bought in this area right here on the map.

573
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:15,020
And so they asked about that, and who's going to build that? And I'm like, well, I'm like a first taken in blocking off the road.

574
00:45:15,180 --> 00:45:17,060
We're going to have to build that call to sack.

575
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:29,140
So that was all fine. But then there was also a conversation that they would like the county then to pay from the call to sack down to the town line,

576
00:45:29,140 --> 00:45:34,410
which the town of Hudson and town of St. Joe wine here is right at the horizontal line here.

577
00:45:35,420 --> 00:45:41,140
And so this whole road from New Highway 35 up to the Coltasac is about 1,800 feet.

578
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:47,600
You know, so even paving this portion here from the Coltasac down to the town line,

579
00:45:47,620 --> 00:45:54,240
of course, it's going to require significant cost and improvements in order to do this access

580
00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:59,560
if the town is going to take and require the county to do this in order for that.

581
00:46:01,820 --> 00:46:07,620
So that's why we didn't get really far into the depth as far as what the cost estimates are

582
00:46:07,620 --> 00:46:13,280
going to be. We've got some other options that we could consider. We have not approached the town

583
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:21,160
of Hudson yet and so the town of Hudson comes in from the south here. This is a very bad access point

584
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:27,720
on new highway 35. There's been a couple of accidents there. But do we look at trying to bring

585
00:46:27,720 --> 00:46:33,580
this road out and maybe even extend itself a little bit to come up so that's more square

586
00:46:33,580 --> 00:46:43,100
to the new highway 35. If we did that, we probably have a lot less fill in this area and then

587
00:46:43,100 --> 00:46:50,740
maybe we would only pay a portion up to the park if we wanted to. So that's an option to consider.

588
00:46:52,400 --> 00:47:01,680
Talking with Robby too, there's some things that would have to be, you know, done as far as title searching, you know, to see what the history is behind old Highway 35.

589
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:14,160
Or, supervisor Anderson, maybe we just overshot this a little bit, because you had originally asked about just trying to create some trails out there.

590
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:22,080
But we were really concerned about the safety of people being able to get into the park as I guess why we brought this whole access issue.

591
00:47:23,020 --> 00:47:29,580
And so maybe we used the existing road going into the park, maybe we developed some of the trails.

592
00:47:30,620 --> 00:47:35,100
And we see how much use and how much demand there is for the area.

593
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:44,140
And then we come back and we approach the access point in that time to see what our parking needs and what our access needs.

594
00:47:44,140 --> 00:47:51,560
really are if you'd want to do that. So but for sure you know and that there was

595
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:56,720
kind of a $2 million number folded around at the last meeting it can definitely

596
00:47:56,720 --> 00:48:05,000
be done for that amount. We would simply build what we could and we could take

597
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:09,940
in to get a better number refined to the kip budget process if you wanted to go

598
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:19,680
I realized that we got a couple of months to do that, so that would give us time to go out and approach the town of Hudson here and move forward.

599
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:25,040
But the highway department is definitely committed in helping with the trails and with the accesses.

600
00:48:25,140 --> 00:48:34,240
If we did go with the original access going up here, it may make sense to build everything in the black lines from a ball here north.

601
00:48:34,240 --> 00:48:40,340
So that would include the main parking lot entrance just because of the highway departments moved in.

602
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,320
They got their big equipment there.

603
00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:47,880
It would make sense to take and create all of our storm water facilities at that same point.

604
00:48:48,060 --> 00:48:50,320
So that we're only disturbing an area at once.

605
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:57,200
And then we could leave that gravel until we had the funds available to pave or improve it.

606
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:58,240
But

607
00:49:00,290 --> 00:49:16,090
I guess what I'm looking for is whether the committee wants to move forward with just trails or if you're still on board with trying to create a better access into the park and what we can do there, how to proceed.

608
00:49:19,070 --> 00:49:26,110
A couple questions currently that red line is the existing access.

609
00:49:26,310 --> 00:49:26,910
Correct.

610
00:49:26,970 --> 00:49:32,630
The red line is the existing road going through here and it goes up to serve those.

611
00:49:33,050 --> 00:49:41,390
The original master plan had been removed from both the curve and the road to old highway 35.

612
00:49:43,330 --> 00:49:50,330
However, there's a pretty well-documented easement for the existing road that was actually

613
00:49:50,330 --> 00:49:56,270
surveyed and then there was a one rod and with on each side of that surveyed line for

614
00:49:56,270 --> 00:49:57,010
the road.

615
00:49:58,030 --> 00:50:03,850
So the county would have to negotiate easements and that to take and move this if you're

616
00:50:03,850 --> 00:50:04,910
going to go up to the north.

617
00:50:04,910 --> 00:50:09,970
So that's where we would suggest leaving this road as is.

618
00:50:10,750 --> 00:50:16,690
And but that there isn't anything stopping us from being able to use it because the colony owns the underlying land.

619
00:50:16,970 --> 00:50:20,070
And we do have a current parking area.

620
00:50:20,270 --> 00:50:21,010
It's very primitive.

621
00:50:21,250 --> 00:50:25,110
It's more like what you'd see a DNR field parking area.

622
00:50:25,670 --> 00:50:27,130
I'll bolt right in this area.

623
00:50:27,790 --> 00:50:34,890
That would be very easily expanded into the bigger parking area if we wanted to do the white trail there.

624
00:50:35,710 --> 00:50:40,990
There's also a very small amount of parking right up here off on the curve, but it's basically

625
00:50:40,990 --> 00:50:46,990
a wide spot on the curve, but there could be extra parking provided up in here pretty easily

626
00:50:46,990 --> 00:50:50,170
too for this high ground and one require a lot of fill.

627
00:50:51,070 --> 00:50:57,790
This one of my questions is if the red line is kind of where the existing is, and we're

628
00:50:57,790 --> 00:51:04,330
being asked to provide basically an entire new road for the town,

629
00:51:06,530 --> 00:51:11,650
would it be worthwhile pursuing

630
00:51:11,650 --> 00:51:21,490
looking at options for access to just totally eliminate using any of that area and purchase

631
00:51:21,490 --> 00:51:28,730
a right away to get over to 35, that's at a more suitable location somewhere in there.

632
00:51:29,170 --> 00:51:31,650
You've got a pretty large expansive area.

633
00:51:31,870 --> 00:51:38,350
I don't know the terrain or anything or how the costs would be, but if you're purchasing

634
00:51:38,350 --> 00:51:45,410
the right away, our road costs would go down substantially if it wasn't going all the way

635
00:51:45,410 --> 00:51:58,710
to the north east corner and it may be more cost conservative for the county to be able

636
00:51:58,710 --> 00:52:02,930
to just cut through and not have to purchase all bills all these new roads.

637
00:52:04,590 --> 00:52:11,470
So the issue that we would have is this is all town of St. Joe Road from my malls here all

638
00:52:11,470 --> 00:52:17,150
up so anytime that we're going to cross that portion of the road I'm sure the talent is going to

639
00:52:17,150 --> 00:52:23,930
still want that MOU for it now there is the possibility that we could talk to a property owner

640
00:52:23,930 --> 00:52:30,370
appear and maybe have the road entrance extend farther north however we don't know if there

641
00:52:30,370 --> 00:52:36,790
would be enough separation out on new highway 35 between the old highway 35 access and our new

642
00:52:36,790 --> 00:52:43,990
access to whether or not they would allow that. So, but that would be another opportunity that we could explore.

643
00:52:46,170 --> 00:52:52,130
I could jump into, I think the question we have for you is, where's the priority?

644
00:52:53,230 --> 00:52:56,330
So with the first dollars that we're going to spend, you want us to start on trails.

645
00:52:56,730 --> 00:53:01,550
Do you want us to start on the access to the park, which one is the priority for you?

646
00:53:01,590 --> 00:53:06,290
There's several different ideas that we can look through talking to St. Joe recently.

647
00:53:06,290 --> 00:53:10,310
the trying to get as much out of it as they can get out of it, which, you know, I don't blame

648
00:53:10,310 --> 00:53:14,390
them, I would have done the same thing. But being on the other side of the table, we want to

649
00:53:14,390 --> 00:53:20,230
give them as little as possible. So the question then is, where's the priorities? Is it, is it

650
00:53:20,230 --> 00:53:26,230
roads in access, parking lots? Is it the trails? Where do you want to spend the first dollar?

651
00:53:31,180 --> 00:53:39,800
I think you have to do an access point for sure, and then trail option beyond that.

652
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:48,660
But the towns that have access through the, that is in the township of St. Joe, correct?

653
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:49,220
Yeah.

654
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:55,780
So was there any discussion on that access road to them?

655
00:53:56,020 --> 00:54:00,520
Or is that technically a private drive through there off of old 35?

656
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:08,680
So that road here, the town was concerned about us removing the portion from the curve here,

657
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:15,180
the old highway 35. So they were pretty, you know, uneasy, I guess, in that once they heard

658
00:54:15,180 --> 00:54:21,920
in that that we were going to leave that B because I think a bunch of their people in that

659
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:26,900
that are back on the river there had expressed concerns about that portion of the road being removed.

660
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:32,100
And we would just sign it very clearly so that everybody knew as a private drive and that our

661
00:54:32,100 --> 00:54:38,280
park users wouldn't use it to or from the park. We've had those residents in a couple of different

662
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:43,540
times, they've always wanted that world left the way it is that's their access back to their

663
00:54:43,540 --> 00:54:49,280
houses and the park entrance to be a separate entrance. So ideally there's two entrances

664
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,400
there, one for the park users and one for the private residences.

665
00:54:54,900 --> 00:54:56,140
Yeah, supervisor Bansomir.

666
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:00,720
Well, and that's what I was thinking. I think it would make sense. Why don't we first

667
00:55:00,720 --> 00:55:04,260
well talk to the town of Hudson instead of the town of St. Joel, if we can come into that

668
00:55:04,260 --> 00:55:11,600
corner and leave that road and maybe connect with the farther in, but let them have that section

669
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:15,400
of road which is kind of a scenic section of the road if we have ever driven in there.

670
00:55:15,620 --> 00:55:20,180
But maybe we come from the corner and go straight around so we can still connect with the

671
00:55:20,180 --> 00:55:26,800
trail to the cabin, the trail to our white trails and just let us say in Joe, do what they

672
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:34,240
want to do, because it's a shorter distance from the town of Hudson and we own what's inside

673
00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:39,300
green lines so we could easily snap into that corner without a whole lot of issue.

674
00:55:39,740 --> 00:55:44,900
So you would say something Jerry about coming in at the corner here maybe coming over here

675
00:55:44,900 --> 00:55:49,020
hitting the edge of the prairie or something so that there wasn't a lot of tree removal

676
00:55:49,020 --> 00:55:54,200
cost and then kind of tying up to the parking lot. Something on that concept maybe I'm not

677
00:55:54,200 --> 00:56:01,040
exactly right. I agree with Ryan that we have to have an access point otherwise whatever

678
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:04,760
build on the other side of the wall as useless. So you have to have an access point. So we have

679
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:09,360
to start there. Okay, so that's the first question I have for you is where you want us to start.

680
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:13,160
So we'll work through the different ideas. They'll come up with something on that.

681
00:56:13,500 --> 00:56:20,360
So I guess my understanding of this is we could like still have access through the road that's already

682
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:27,320
there, right? It's not like, it's, yeah, it's not like you would have to walk there if we

683
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:35,980
nothing with the access immediately. I understand the obvious visual concerns as far as when

684
00:56:35,980 --> 00:56:41,680
you're trying to get back on the highway. There's some safety issues with either of the two old

685
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:46,720
35 access points but that's one of the other things that Jason I have talked about. Maybe we could

686
00:56:46,720 --> 00:56:54,900
just fix the intersections and not redo the whole road. The safety concerns have come up both

687
00:56:54,900 --> 00:57:02,400
If I'm correct me if I'm wrong, but the highway commissioner and the sheriff have expressed safety concerns with the traffic

688
00:57:03,100 --> 00:57:12,260
If we increase the traffic, I could either one of those junctions, but the north one is the less dangerous, the southern one is the more dangerous

689
00:57:12,260 --> 00:57:23,720
Probably it is right now, and the issue with both access is that you're coming up, grade like this, so you don't really see much either way on that for what's on the new highway 35

690
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:29,820
and instead of coming in at a 90-degree corner where it's easy to see right and left

691
00:57:29,820 --> 00:57:35,680
you're coming in at 30-degree or 45-degree angle. You know in that so there's a lot

692
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:40,760
of blind spots and there's a lot of sight concerns because it is on a slow curve there.

693
00:57:42,260 --> 00:57:47,860
I actually prefer the south entrance rather than the north entrance. I think yeah I think

694
00:57:47,860 --> 00:57:54,120
the south entrance would be easier to square off it looks like and we'd be doing a lot

695
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:58,080
less with roads than as far as cutting them off or putting it in called the sacks or

696
00:57:58,080 --> 00:57:59,020
whatnot.

697
00:58:03,030 --> 00:58:13,040
Yeah I guess putting in a better access without doing trails to me seems I mean

698
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:19,740
maybe you limit how much of the trails you do but without doing any just seems kind of doesn't

699
00:58:19,740 --> 00:58:22,280
so much of a purpose, I suppose, in my mind.

700
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:24,740
Yes, what we've talked about was, you know,

701
00:58:24,860 --> 00:58:26,540
trying to do like a million dollars a year,

702
00:58:26,620 --> 00:58:28,380
but the first year may be doing 2 million,

703
00:58:28,860 --> 00:58:33,360
so we would do access and then one of the first easiest trails.

704
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:38,520
So the second question I have for you is 2 million dollars

705
00:58:39,020 --> 00:58:41,080
is going to require a bond issue.

706
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:43,600
I have a bond issue because the highway shop

707
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:44,900
is going to be next year anyways.

708
00:58:45,500 --> 00:58:47,780
So it'd be easy enough to add 2 million on to that,

709
00:58:47,780 --> 00:58:51,260
But if I add a part project on the bond issue,

710
00:58:51,580 --> 00:58:55,080
am I going to get 15 county board supervisors to approve it?

711
00:59:02,860 --> 00:59:04,160
The only way to know is stride.

712
00:59:06,980 --> 00:59:14,700
I mean, I guess you can always push the part project

713
00:59:14,700 --> 00:59:16,080
down to the bond issue.

714
00:59:17,100 --> 00:59:20,440
And if someone doesn't want to bond $2.5 million

715
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:23,080
or $2 million for a part project,

716
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:25,660
they want to do $1.5 million.

717
00:59:25,660 --> 00:59:29,780
all of a deal with my family dollars and my strals, I guess, is what it is.

718
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:37,880
I guess our thought process, you know, and that, what the access, we don't know of any grant funds

719
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:42,640
that are available to build in that access. There might be, you know, some grant funds for building

720
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:48,100
a parking lot down the road, but there might be, well, there might be, there would be significant

721
00:59:48,100 --> 00:59:53,620
cost savings by having our county highway department do the work. And if they're already there,

722
00:59:53,620 --> 00:59:59,980
They're probably going to end up having to find a barrel site caused by for fill and that if they go with that

723
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:27,240
Or throughout, probably not as much on the south end, you know, but it just makes sense in that with that when they're engaged in that project that they kind of knock out the big infrastructure and then after that, we can apply for grants for the trails, we can do a lot of stuff just underneath our natural park budget, you know, for trail development and stuff out there and we can apply for grants for shower buildings and stuff, but there's just no grant money to get that access into there and have it be safe.

724
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:29,920
Supervisor Shirley.

725
01:00:31,620 --> 01:00:38,500
So, can if we don't have it on the next year's, the next 2025 or 206 bond issue.

726
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:43,180
So, I'm anticipating bond issues in 2025 and 2027.

727
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:49,040
So, the bond issues in 25 would be primarily it's the Hudson Highway Shop,

728
01:00:49,540 --> 01:00:51,340
reconstructing that or building a new one.

729
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:55,160
And then in 2027, we'd be looking at a jail expansion project,

730
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:56,440
which would be substantial.

731
01:00:59,390 --> 01:01:05,690
In my opinion, I think that if the public safety referendum fails,

732
01:01:06,010 --> 01:01:10,730
we're going to have a hard time passing that in 2025. I think you'd be better off pushing that

733
01:01:10,730 --> 01:01:17,490
off to 2027 unfortunately, but I think that, like I said, I don't know that we would have a vote.

734
01:01:19,330 --> 01:01:23,390
Well, when the public safety referendum is approved then, you think it'll be fine?

735
01:01:28,310 --> 01:01:31,930
I think we need to, I think we need to, I think we need to just try it,

736
01:01:34,390 --> 01:01:34,870
because I think

737
01:01:34,870 --> 01:01:37,470
it would be a bit of discussion of the committee of the whole.

738
01:01:41,620 --> 01:01:42,560
Okay then.

739
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:43,060
Okay.

740
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:45,780
But I could be some guidance in that.

741
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:49,660
I'll reach out to the town of Hudson, may contact with them.

742
01:01:49,780 --> 01:01:55,400
I'll talk with Greg Hague and Roby a little bit more about that self-access kind of what

743
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:58,040
it's going to really take to make that a feasible project.

744
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:07,970
And we'll look at those options and then hopefully we can have some better numbers for the April committee of the whole.

745
01:02:08,190 --> 01:02:10,570
Good. Any other conversation or questions?

746
01:02:12,970 --> 01:02:14,850
No, we're going to move on then.

747
01:02:15,530 --> 01:02:16,050
Thank you.

748
01:02:16,510 --> 01:02:16,830
The next.

749
01:02:18,370 --> 01:02:22,410
Next we're going to talk about email notification process and Jason, you might as well.

750
01:02:22,690 --> 01:02:23,770
All right.

751
01:02:23,770 --> 01:02:38,490
All right, so supervisor Conor had brought it up a few months ago now about notifying property owners when there's any zoning district change that may affect one of their properties or the uses of their properties.

752
01:02:39,690 --> 01:02:49,770
And so when we would talk about email list and that the county doesn't purchase email list like some of these other suppliers or vendors might do so that they just spam you with a bunch of junk mail.

753
01:02:49,770 --> 01:02:55,930
However, we do have a nice sign up for people that are concerned.

754
01:02:56,110 --> 01:03:00,890
It's called Notify Me. It's right here on a county website, very top.

755
01:03:01,510 --> 01:03:07,650
And so if I click on this, there's a couple different ones out there already.

756
01:03:09,630 --> 01:03:13,550
We've got two newsletters that are out there.

757
01:03:13,670 --> 01:03:18,970
And so people can take and enter their email address here.

758
01:03:18,970 --> 01:03:27,630
They go through just a couple quick processes, and then they can either get an email or a text message, and that with that

759
01:03:27,630 --> 01:03:35,130
News whatever it might be. So we could put public hearing notices out here, or we could take and have

760
01:03:35,130 --> 01:03:48,950
Ordnance amendments like chapter 13 or chapter 15. Hey, check all this proposed ordnance, and if you're

761
01:03:48,950 --> 01:03:58,370
ability to unsubscribe and that from this which is kind of the big deal is that we just can't buy that whole email list because then people don't have the ability to unsubscribe from it

762
01:03:58,370 --> 01:04:13,310
So this is an existing service that we could do we would just set it up with Adam and that whenever we have anything significant like ordinance amendments or any big towns owning changes

763
01:04:13,310 --> 01:04:22,350
we could put them in here, then anybody has on that list would take and be automatically sent to text or an email letting them know.

764
01:04:23,610 --> 01:04:26,650
So I'm kind of showing you what it looks like.

765
01:04:27,530 --> 01:04:33,110
So here with the Recycling Newsletter, we've went online.

766
01:04:33,850 --> 01:04:37,310
So this newsletter just went on, sorry, March 20th.

767
01:04:37,310 --> 01:04:46,570
If I go back, March 20th, 2024 at 10 a.m., so this is our new recycling news letter that's

768
01:04:46,570 --> 01:04:47,010
electronic.

769
01:04:48,290 --> 01:04:51,270
And so if you're assigned up for this one, you get this one.

770
01:04:51,370 --> 01:04:56,270
But if you're not concerned about recycling and you're concerned about the veterans office,

771
01:04:56,730 --> 01:05:01,030
you can subscribe to the veterans one and not get the recycling stuff.

772
01:05:01,370 --> 01:05:04,510
So you're able to select the content that you want to receive.

773
01:05:06,340 --> 01:05:13,240
So, if we created something in this portal, and that would kind of satisfy what you're wanting to do,

774
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:14,460
supervisor Conor?

775
01:05:17,540 --> 01:05:25,980
I think it's a grand idea, but I don't think that that's going to put us where we want to be for what the problem is,

776
01:05:26,740 --> 01:05:31,200
because we're making an assumption that everybody's going to sign up for it in the county,

777
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:33,860
and that they're all going to know that this even exists.

778
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:41,980
I don't believe that you probably have the entire county that's signed up for the recycling one right now.

779
01:05:42,380 --> 01:05:47,160
I have, and I appreciate it, and it's a really good tool.

780
01:05:47,900 --> 01:05:54,240
And I think it's no matter what, I think that's a really good idea to move ahead with that,

781
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:59,100
to be able to have those notifications out there, the more transparency, the better.

782
01:05:59,100 --> 01:06:16,100
But I still don't think it resolves the issue and you have large groups of people that have zoning changes brought on to them without having any idea that it's even going on.

783
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:23,040
Because then again, you're making an assumption that everybody in the county knows to sign up for this.

784
01:06:25,150 --> 01:06:26,930
Yeah, supervisor Anderson?

785
01:06:27,610 --> 01:06:31,310
Just to echo, I guess, supervisor Connor was saying it.

786
01:06:31,370 --> 01:06:35,330
It really doesn't solve the problem by itself.

787
01:06:35,670 --> 01:06:39,550
And I don't even know that it would exactly...

788
01:06:39,550 --> 01:06:42,190
Trying to combine them, we're like, if you're on this one,

789
01:06:42,290 --> 01:06:43,750
we don't need to send you a mailers.

790
01:06:44,810 --> 01:06:47,610
I guess, fair, either, because...

791
01:06:47,610 --> 01:06:50,390
Adric, people sell them by house all the time, right?

792
01:06:50,990 --> 01:06:53,810
So, I definitely agree that it's worth doing.

793
01:06:53,810 --> 01:06:58,950
And I just don't know that it would prevent or preclude or should preclude us from sending

794
01:06:58,950 --> 01:07:00,870
out the mail notifications also.

795
01:07:02,530 --> 01:07:07,390
That's one of the problems you hit right on and that with having a email list is people

796
01:07:07,390 --> 01:07:09,570
are buying and selling properties all the time.

797
01:07:09,930 --> 01:07:15,410
So that's the positive thing about something like this is if they unsubscribe themselves, they're

798
01:07:15,410 --> 01:07:19,430
kind of managing that database for us and it's not like staff has to go through and keep

799
01:07:19,430 --> 01:07:21,470
it up to date.

800
01:07:21,470 --> 01:07:48,030
I like the system and how it works, if I've been on different ones for a long time, but are we able or legally able to have a separate flyer or something that goes with or property tax statements to property owners?

801
01:07:48,570 --> 01:07:50,210
Is that something we can put in there?

802
01:07:50,890 --> 01:07:57,470
You're going to have a tax bill, stuff her added to the tax bills, yes, if we go with all the tax bills.

803
01:07:58,770 --> 01:08:13,110
So I see this working well if we use it as a PR project and have like a QR code or something on it that it goes out or it's on more things that we're trying to build this list.

804
01:08:13,110 --> 01:08:21,490
And it's going to be a secondary notification because not everybody's going to get it and we all realize that, but the more that you can bolster it, the better it is.

805
01:08:24,540 --> 01:08:29,780
I think it's going to take a time for this to build, but I think in the future you will see this is where we'll be.

806
01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:37,880
And that's why we have to push onward until then I guess we'll have to do what we have to do, but I think this is very important.

807
01:08:40,780 --> 01:08:41,980
Anybody else?

808
01:08:41,980 --> 01:08:45,620
Then I'm going to jump in.

809
01:08:47,810 --> 01:08:53,470
This doesn't preclude a postcard notification if there's a dramatic rezoning.

810
01:08:54,870 --> 01:09:03,410
We can always add a postcard if something comes up, this really big, or will affect a pocket,

811
01:09:04,330 --> 01:09:09,990
you get a big area and then there's one hot zone that, whoa, those people are really going

812
01:09:09,990 --> 01:09:10,450
to get slammed.

813
01:09:10,450 --> 01:09:14,210
And we could, you know, as a committee, look at that and say, hey, we should send those folks.

814
01:09:14,570 --> 01:09:19,610
You know, there's not a reason that the committee can't make a policy short term one time,

815
01:09:19,610 --> 01:09:23,110
you know, hey, let's send them, you know, and the staff can always bring that up.

816
01:09:23,110 --> 01:09:27,510
Look at this, guys, you should, you should consider doing this and the staff can do that on their own too.

817
01:09:27,610 --> 01:09:30,270
They have the, that's an operational decision and a tweener.

818
01:09:31,470 --> 01:09:37,050
So I, I'm going to offer my opinion, I'm going to agree with you guys that maybe electronically,

819
01:09:37,050 --> 01:09:43,230
send out a notification in the tax statement, but you guys are here in that, right?

820
01:09:45,350 --> 01:09:50,690
And just continue to tell people, this is a great opportunity for you to stay in contact

821
01:09:50,690 --> 01:09:58,690
with your county through the tax statement, a paper noticed that you can be in contact electronically.

822
01:10:00,010 --> 01:10:03,990
So bring the Neanderthals to the monitoring, it's a great idea.

823
01:10:04,690 --> 01:10:12,930
I would need that, so do you need it, you don't need a vote on this just a kind of a little bit of conversation, right?

824
01:10:13,070 --> 01:10:14,770
Yeah, we're just sharing it with you.

825
01:10:14,890 --> 01:10:20,170
It might take on it as this is a great extra feature, but it's not replacing any legal notice requirements.

826
01:10:21,630 --> 01:10:22,970
Okay, this is above and beyond.

827
01:10:23,210 --> 01:10:26,210
All that being the case, we're going to move on to the next business item.

828
01:10:27,130 --> 01:10:35,600
Consideration of amendments to the 2024 community development fee schedule and JSON will take over here.

829
01:10:36,300 --> 01:10:40,160
So, I'm finding it here. There's

830
01:10:43,740 --> 01:10:52,040
just a couple of changes that we would like to do because we've found them after you guys approved the fee schedule as fall.

831
01:10:53,980 --> 01:10:55,180
What's that?

832
01:10:55,180 --> 01:10:56,000
Oh, sorry.

833
01:11:00,020 --> 01:11:02,100
So the changes here are in red.

834
01:11:03,220 --> 01:11:05,920
And so currently when somebody comes to our office

835
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:07,200
and applies for a permit,

836
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:10,200
and that we have to be taken collect their fee,

837
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:11,800
be a checker credit card,

838
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:14,460
and unfortunately we were charged

839
01:11:14,460 --> 01:11:17,700
that credit card processing fee right up front.

840
01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:20,880
And I'd like to tell you that it's a 2% charge,

841
01:11:21,060 --> 01:11:22,240
or it's a 3% charge,

842
01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:29,480
The reality is it bounces anywhere from 1% in 3 quarters all the way up to 3 and a half percent and that depending on the amount

843
01:11:29,480 --> 01:11:35,680
And so plus we have our time and that for doing the refund finance

844
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:42,080
So we'd like to just take an insert, so that's very transparent, very clear up front that if you pay for

845
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:49,420
Permit or something and you change your mind, of course if it's on our end or if there's nothing needed then we're going to refund the full amount

846
01:11:49,420 --> 01:11:54,480
But if it's on their end, like they don't want to move forward with the project anymore,

847
01:11:54,680 --> 01:12:00,920
they would be required to pay that 5% of the original permit fee amount, just so that we're not losing.

848
01:12:01,980 --> 01:12:07,280
So it really doesn't sound like a lot, but on a $400 permit, it's about $20 a pop.

849
01:12:07,420 --> 01:12:09,660
You know, that there were losing every time.

850
01:12:09,660 --> 01:12:26,760
So yeah, a lot of it, when we're where kind of comes in is and part stuff too, but we've got a separate cancellation fee, you know, but I mean, there is quite a few cancellations going back and forth because people changing their plans. So okay,

851
01:12:30,690 --> 01:12:43,290
the next fee is in regards to our sanitary program, and we don't have this in the original fee schedule, because since then we've obtained agent status through the state and

852
01:12:43,310 --> 01:12:51,390
And what agent status means is that now in-house, the Coney can review mounds at grades, pressurized

853
01:12:51,390 --> 01:12:57,750
system, stuff that would normally require state-of-proof plans, peer, and so people will

854
01:12:57,750 --> 01:13:03,330
be able to apply to the Coney and have a kind of a one-stop shopping experience because they

855
01:13:03,330 --> 01:13:07,550
can get their plan review and they can get their sanitary permit, all in one shot.

856
01:13:08,470 --> 01:13:12,850
Right now, the state is running what two to three weeks, I'm getting their review done.

857
01:13:12,850 --> 01:13:16,030
And then if they submitted to us, we'd have that extra 2 to 3 weeks.

858
01:13:16,470 --> 01:13:20,250
We should be able to shave off 2 to 3 weeks for that.

859
01:13:20,590 --> 01:13:22,270
We set the fee here at $400.

860
01:13:22,750 --> 01:13:26,110
Normally the state plan review fee is $250.

861
01:13:27,150 --> 01:13:29,850
However, if you want an expedited review, it's $400.

862
01:13:30,950 --> 01:13:32,550
So that's kind of where we had thought.

863
01:13:32,890 --> 01:13:38,090
And as far as staff time, that's where we really figured that we're going to have in it for our staff.

864
01:13:38,090 --> 01:13:46,310
Now, this is only for normal single family houses up to 1,000 gallons per day, which is basically

865
01:13:46,310 --> 01:13:47,730
a six-bedroom house.

866
01:13:48,170 --> 01:13:52,610
Any commercial systems would still require a state of plan approval.

867
01:13:53,270 --> 01:13:58,250
I just don't feel like we've got the staff capacity or the desire to get into some of those

868
01:13:58,250 --> 01:14:03,490
more complicated systems because they require a lot of on-site, you know, a time-dolicing

869
01:14:03,490 --> 01:14:10,810
duplex pumps, it's quite a commitment to take and jump into that world. Whereas these generally

870
01:14:10,810 --> 01:14:15,930
they're very standardized, the same plumber puts in the same three-bedroom mound that's

871
01:14:15,930 --> 01:14:25,450
a six by 75 foot mound, and that uses those same plans over so there's a lot of easy permitting

872
01:14:25,450 --> 01:14:27,530
process that can be done with this.

873
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:36,670
And then the last changes were with the parks, and

874
01:14:36,670 --> 01:14:47,170
We had a little oversight with the wording, the Vista Prairie was originally set up as a group

875
01:14:47,170 --> 01:14:53,090
camp, and that's how we promoted it, but we've also got whispering Oaks, which is the

876
01:14:53,090 --> 01:14:58,990
land that's kind of south of there, and that's also our group camping area, and so it didn't

877
01:14:58,990 --> 01:14:59,970
make sense to take.

878
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:28,180
And have one called group camping and the other one not. So it made a lot of sense just to take a make of a rate for group campground. We still kept the 501C3 rate in there at half the amount. And we should be good there. So we are also making improvements to the, the vista prairie campground by extending the pads so that they can figure units in there and putting in water.

879
01:15:28,180 --> 01:15:34,260
And we're using that because right now in the past year or so it hasn't been filling up.

880
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:38,840
So we're trying to get more individual users out there too, just to use that part of the park.

881
01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:47,020
So I'll need as a consensus from the committee that you're okay with these fees.

882
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:53,420
Kevin, gravy, would be the one helping us out with the sanitary plan reviews.

883
01:15:54,180 --> 01:15:57,060
So that should be a positive thing. Yeah, supervisor Shirley.

884
01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:05,560
just a quick question on the septic review. Is that is the state forwarding all of

885
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:09,780
those or does the homeowner have the option to send to the state or send it to the

886
01:16:09,780 --> 01:16:14,820
company? They have the option to do either one. Okay. So there's a large number of

887
01:16:15,620 --> 01:16:21,820
moms and aunt grades within the county and so if we did take on all of them, that would

888
01:16:21,820 --> 01:16:25,600
be quite a time commitment from staff and we probably don't have the ability to do

889
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:30,960
that but there's a lot of times in that where maybe it is an emergency install and they're

890
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:35,300
willing to pay the 100 and a half more to get it done right away. That's what it's really

891
01:16:35,300 --> 01:16:42,720
designed for. Okay, so at this time we have any further questions or I would entertain a motion

892
01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:47,240
to accept these changes. I'll make a motion mix up the fee. Let's get some changes.

893
01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:57,240
Alright, moving to second. All in favor, say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Let's move on to business item. Number eight.

894
01:16:58,520 --> 01:17:03,320
Discussion on amenix eight correct County chapter 15 zoning ordinance. This will be John Hillgers.

895
01:17:14,540 --> 01:17:19,200
So this next item was raised by the committee. I think it was about two or three meetings ago.

896
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:22,720
We had talked about some of our egg entertainment standards.

897
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:27,920
And this kind of stems back to a rezoning request we had last summer if you recall in the

898
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:28,820
Tone of Kinakinic.

899
01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:34,300
We kind of updated the committee back then about what the standards were for egg entertainment

900
01:17:34,300 --> 01:17:37,540
but at that time we didn't pursue any amendments.

901
01:17:37,780 --> 01:17:40,280
We didn't really get the direction to do so.

902
01:17:40,620 --> 01:17:44,580
So we're kind of bringing it back at the request of the committee from a couple meetings ago.

903
01:17:45,340 --> 01:17:51,400
In the meantime, our staff has also met with local town officials about some common zoning

904
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:58,380
violations and some other items, such as the use of saw mills, different contract or storage

905
01:17:58,380 --> 01:17:58,880
yards.

906
01:17:59,420 --> 01:18:04,220
So if we're talking about a zoning amendment to egg entertainment, we'd also like to

907
01:18:04,220 --> 01:18:09,460
keep this in context that maybe we can revisit some of these other categories and standards.

908
01:18:10,220 --> 01:18:17,780
But as a refresher for the committee, with respect to our egg entertainment uses, we'll just

909
01:18:17,780 --> 01:18:20,020
talk about the authority and standards,

910
01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:24,920
right now the county has two agricultural zoning districts

911
01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:30,400
egg one and egg two. Both of these zoning districts need the criteria for the state farm

912
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:35,740
land preservation zoning districts under the farm land preservation Wisconsin statutes.

913
01:18:36,300 --> 01:18:41,420
And this allows participating tones to allow their residents to claim that income tax

914
01:18:41,420 --> 01:18:43,360
rebate on their tax farms.

915
01:18:43,480 --> 01:18:45,380
And right now, we have, I believe,

916
01:18:45,540 --> 01:18:49,220
that seven participating tones that are in that program.

917
01:18:50,260 --> 01:18:52,200
The farmland preservation zoning districts

918
01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:54,880
must be approved and certified by DadCAP.

919
01:18:55,620 --> 01:18:58,480
And again, landowners are able to participate

920
01:18:58,480 --> 01:19:01,360
by claiming tax credits on their income taxes.

921
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:04,160
Now, being in this program,

922
01:19:04,660 --> 01:19:08,060
the county is required to allow specific uses

923
01:19:08,060 --> 01:19:15,280
under statute 9144 either as permitted or conditional uses. So we have the list of

924
01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:20,640
egg uses, farm residences, and then I highlighted in yellow the category that we believe

925
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:27,820
the egg entertainment standards fall under. Accessory uses are allowed including any activity

926
01:19:27,820 --> 01:19:34,380
or business that is an integral part of an egg use, or a business whether or not as associated

927
01:19:34,380 --> 01:19:39,520
with an egg use or not that is conducted by the owner of the farm and employees no more than

928
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:45,120
four full-time employees and does not impair the current egg uses and then the list goes on

929
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:54,160
to list other varying uses. Below you see a map of our participating towns, everything with a cross-hatch,

930
01:19:54,820 --> 01:19:58,740
our participants in the farmland preservation program.

931
01:20:02,100 --> 01:20:05,240
We'll quickly as these provisions were adopted

932
01:20:05,240 --> 01:20:12,520
back in 2012, the Coney defined egg entertainment under four broad categories. These are

933
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:17,880
foreign-based enterprises or businesses that combine the elements of egg entertainment and

934
01:20:17,880 --> 01:20:25,900
tourism. They include outdoor recreation, educational experiences, entertainment and hospitality

935
01:20:25,900 --> 01:20:31,500
services, and then under each yellow category we kind of provide some examples that are within

936
01:20:31,500 --> 01:20:41,180
code, I won't go into detail, but the hospitality services fall under the wettings overnight

937
01:20:41,180 --> 01:20:42,700
farm and ranch stays.

938
01:20:45,460 --> 01:20:49,480
Under our current categories, and again, we did not change the standards

939
01:20:49,480 --> 01:20:56,120
when we went and revisited the zoning code in 2019 through our comprehensive revision. So the

940
01:20:56,120 --> 01:21:01,680
standards I'm going to read off are the standards that have been in place since 2012. And the egg

941
01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:09,540
One in eight two districts, the egg entertainment is allowed as a permitted use if you do not exceed 15 calendar days per year.

942
01:21:10,260 --> 01:21:16,340
So if you stay under 15, there's no conditional use permit review or standard of review.

943
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:21,980
Again, if activities exceed 15 calendar days, a conditional use permit is required.

944
01:21:23,540 --> 01:21:31,180
Regardless of the number of days, whether you're at 15 or below that, any activity exceeding

945
01:21:31,180 --> 01:21:38,020
100 persons during a 24 hour period has to submit an event plan through our staff that has

946
01:21:38,020 --> 01:21:43,020
then reviewed a land use permit is issued to address parking days and hours of operation,

947
01:21:43,020 --> 01:21:49,980
an ingressy gross sanitation science solid waste management. That event plan is then filed with

948
01:21:49,980 --> 01:21:54,320
the tone clerk emergency responders and the local fire district.

949
01:21:57,310 --> 01:21:58,090
Again, as I mentioned,

950
01:21:58,310 --> 01:22:02,350
these standards have been in place since 2012. They were not amended during the

951
01:22:02,350 --> 01:22:09,630
composition of 2017 to 2019. Interestingly, one of the themes we heard during our 2019

952
01:22:09,630 --> 01:22:15,750
comprehensive zone in revision is that the county shouldn't able egg entertainment uses

953
01:22:15,750 --> 01:22:22,310
in moral locations. So we had to create a zoning district outside of the egg one and egg two

954
01:22:22,310 --> 01:22:28,550
districts so we created the commercial C2 district which is very specific in that it allows

955
01:22:28,550 --> 01:22:32,450
egg entertainment uses outside of the egg districts.

956
01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:40,960
This zoning must be consistent with the local

957
01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:47,620
has reviewed and approved two rezoning applications that have been filed for the C2 zoning districts.

958
01:22:48,020 --> 01:22:50,900
One was in the Tone of Kinne-Kinne-Kinne-Kinne-Kinne, and the other one was in the Tone of

959
01:22:50,900 --> 01:22:51,120
Silent.

960
01:22:53,780 --> 01:22:58,640
So really based on our view of statute and our view of the code, there are a number of

961
01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:04,340
things that the committee could modify should you so choose, and that would be the number of events

962
01:23:04,340 --> 01:23:08,440
that would trigger a conditionally-use permit requirement. Now, I think we had that discussion

963
01:23:08,440 --> 01:23:15,240
during that rezoning application with Kinnikenic, the question was why is it 15 events that would

964
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:21,480
have to occur before the CUP is triggered? Again, that was the threshold that was established back in 2012.

965
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:28,060
The other thing the committee could do is modify the event plan requirements. The one thing we

966
01:23:28,060 --> 01:23:34,180
believe that is not possible is that it would not be possible to remove the egg entertainment uses

967
01:23:34,180 --> 01:23:39,620
as it meets the intent of the statutes, as we described earlier, as far as what a property owner

968
01:23:39,620 --> 01:23:45,620
is allowed to do under farmland preservation. Unless we as the county no longer wanted to

969
01:23:45,620 --> 01:23:51,380
participate in that program, but based on the number of tone ships that participate, there are quite

970
01:23:51,380 --> 01:23:59,260
a few benefactors under the farmland preservation plan program. So again, the committee can go back and

971
01:23:59,260 --> 01:24:04,160
revisit the standards, you know, to determine the number of events that would trigger a CUP

972
01:24:04,180 --> 01:24:11,700
We can modify the event plan requirements, but basically that is the extent of what we feel you could modify.

973
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:16,860
All right.

974
01:24:17,220 --> 01:24:18,820
So who wants to go first?

975
01:24:22,150 --> 01:24:29,890
I don't think we should change anything.

976
01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:33,200
That's my time.

977
01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:56,920
As far as the A2, a question in the 15-day limit, I think it depends more on what they're actually

978
01:24:56,920 --> 01:25:03,060
doing and considering a cultural entertainment, there's such a wide variety if you're talking

979
01:25:03,060 --> 01:25:09,260
about weddings or barndances, it's one thing, but if they're talking about something more hospitality

980
01:25:09,260 --> 01:25:14,360
your educational and you're really going to make them do a conditional use permit if they're

981
01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:17,180
doing education for kids in the farm. That doesn't make a lot of sense.

982
01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:20,120
So I don't know

983
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:25,720
how to separate that out, but that's my one common at least on the egg too stuff.

984
01:25:29,230 --> 01:25:36,130
Well, I agree with Mr. Shirley that the 15-day thing I think is quite exorbitant because

985
01:25:36,130 --> 01:25:42,430
as someone brought up at one of our deals that we're dealing with, that's every weekend

986
01:25:42,430 --> 01:25:49,250
of the summer, and the people who don't want these next to them should have some time

987
01:25:49,250 --> 01:25:49,910
off from that.

988
01:25:50,130 --> 01:25:52,270
The neighborhood should have some time off of that.

989
01:25:52,270 --> 01:25:55,790
So I think we do have to change that part, for sure.

990
01:25:55,890 --> 01:25:57,350
I think that's too aggressive.

991
01:26:01,290 --> 01:26:07,470
I also think that one thing that we've left out is hearing the neighbors, and I'm not sure

992
01:26:07,470 --> 01:26:08,390
exactly how to do that.

993
01:26:08,390 --> 01:26:17,390
But those people who live next to them that want no part of this, but are told they can't

994
01:26:17,390 --> 01:26:17,730
do anything.

995
01:26:18,150 --> 01:26:19,570
We don't make any changes on that.

996
01:26:19,570 --> 01:26:21,530
That's something also that we need to address.

997
01:26:22,830 --> 01:26:26,250
They have as much right to not have that in their neighborhood as the person who wants to

998
01:26:26,250 --> 01:26:28,050
put it in has to have that in their neighborhood.

999
01:26:28,990 --> 01:26:38,050
So maybe one of the things, if we cut that 15 days down to 7, anything over that they

1000
01:26:38,050 --> 01:26:38,670
Right.

1001
01:26:39,410 --> 01:26:42,250
I think that would satisfy a lot of people.

1002
01:26:42,590 --> 01:26:47,110
But then I think we all have to come up with some plan for listening to the area that

1003
01:26:47,110 --> 01:26:47,450
they're able to.

1004
01:26:54,830 --> 01:26:58,970
Another thought on that would be, especially in some of those that we've looked at this

1005
01:26:58,970 --> 01:27:06,270
last year, if we have somebody looking at moving to an egg to zoning, that's a budding,

1006
01:27:06,470 --> 01:27:13,790
an R2 or an R1, trying to define where those egg tos are and I'm not exactly sure what

1007
01:27:13,790 --> 01:27:20,670
answer is at this moment but you know some of those the zoning for the egg

1008
01:27:20,670 --> 01:27:25,970
two makes more sense in a surrounded by egg than it does surrounded by an hour

1009
01:27:25,970 --> 01:27:27,270
one or an hour or

1010
01:27:37,730 --> 01:27:41,130
two yeah listening everything or what he's bringing in and

1011
01:27:41,130 --> 01:27:46,510
all and they're making good points that maybe there's some things that we need

1012
01:27:48,170 --> 01:27:50,470
address before we move forward.

1013
01:27:52,150 --> 01:27:54,150
My thought is that

1014
01:27:56,870 --> 01:27:58,070
you guys are both right.

1015
01:27:58,410 --> 01:28:02,130
But the thing is, the zoning part is zoning.

1016
01:28:02,290 --> 01:28:04,110
There's a lot of things that zoning is for,

1017
01:28:04,130 --> 01:28:06,910
but part of it is to make sure that your rights are,

1018
01:28:07,470 --> 01:28:11,710
you have the right to enjoy your property in the manner that you

1019
01:28:12,190 --> 01:28:14,230
expected to when you purchased it.

1020
01:28:15,330 --> 01:28:17,710
So the people who live around the property,

1021
01:28:17,710 --> 01:28:26,710
expected to enjoy the property a certain way, and now somebody buys the property in the middle of all that and decided to have a party.

1022
01:28:27,670 --> 01:28:39,170
But only if you resultant for me, and so so now, I think it's personally, and this is why I'm glad that Jerry wanted to have this conversation.

1023
01:28:39,170 --> 01:28:50,930
And the conditional use permitting process is a way to put that under a microscope.

1024
01:28:51,870 --> 01:28:57,630
And then this committee doesn't do it quickly, and not that we would do it quickly, but

1025
01:28:57,630 --> 01:29:00,670
it gives the conditional use permitting process, right?

1026
01:29:01,090 --> 01:29:04,290
The BOA will really focus on that.

1027
01:29:04,290 --> 01:29:12,410
And there are quasi-judicial board and they have an opportunity to go through a quasi-judicial process,

1028
01:29:12,630 --> 01:29:13,950
something that we don't.

1029
01:29:14,930 --> 01:29:19,150
And I think we've reduced the number of days.

1030
01:29:20,050 --> 01:29:23,750
That this 15 days we bring it down like Jerry's suggestion of seven.

1031
01:29:24,350 --> 01:29:28,590
And if it's a mild use, you know, they're going to have educational functions or whatever.

1032
01:29:29,570 --> 01:29:31,090
They shouldn't have any problem whatsoever.

1033
01:29:31,090 --> 01:29:38,590
And if it's out in the country and they're having weddings, they shouldn't have any problem whatsoever, or if it's in the middle of a somewhat residential area

1034
01:29:38,590 --> 01:29:46,510
Then it needs to have some more scrutiny, but it's not for us to say because it'll be a conditional use. It's not this committee's previous at that point and that I think it's a good compromise

1035
01:29:46,510 --> 01:29:51,970
It's my opinion. I guess I could get I guess I could get talked into 12 seven scenes

1036
01:29:52,430 --> 01:29:54,510
Like one a month seven scenes of stream

1037
01:30:01,330 --> 01:30:06,910
I think it should be less than that because I think the people around all the stuff that's going

1038
01:30:06,910 --> 01:30:12,830
on deserve more time off that they deserve as much as much time off as the other people deserve

1039
01:30:12,830 --> 01:30:19,030
on. Why would you say one or there? Here's the other thing that if I can put up what John

1040
01:30:19,030 --> 01:30:25,110
has on the screen there on the right side, third one down, if an activity exceeds 100 people during

1041
01:30:25,110 --> 01:30:29,870
a 24-hour period. Well, let's take the guy with the winery down and Kenny Connect, he's not

1042
01:30:29,870 --> 01:30:35,530
going to know that he's going to have 100 people there before the 100 people there, so he's not

1043
01:30:35,530 --> 01:30:43,350
going to do that, is he? And so we have to look at that also and keep that in mind as we

1044
01:30:43,350 --> 01:30:49,410
have to make this decision because that's an after-the-fact thing. I'm not exactly certain

1045
01:30:49,410 --> 01:30:53,450
how to do that one, but that is something that needs to be considered also. Thank you.

1046
01:30:55,050 --> 01:31:01,570
Mr. Chair, can I throw in two cents, so what I'm hearing from you guys is that you'd like

1047
01:31:01,570 --> 01:31:07,250
to have a process that had good due process and your conditional use permit is your way

1048
01:31:07,250 --> 01:31:14,510
to do that. Unfortunately there is fees on that for that permitting process, but then you

1049
01:31:14,510 --> 01:31:19,530
can look at each situation where supervisor Hanson was mentioning here individually. I think

1050
01:31:19,530 --> 01:31:26,910
the event plan, that is supposed to be prior or before the event is happening because we're

1051
01:31:26,910 --> 01:31:33,330
trying to really notify our EMS and our vocal fire departments and stuff, hey, you've

1052
01:31:33,330 --> 01:31:40,910
got an event going on there. So I'll leave it up to you guys, but I'm getting the idea that

1053
01:31:40,910 --> 01:31:46,110
you're open to opening this up and at least having further conversation about reducing the

1054
01:31:46,110 --> 01:31:52,430
number of days. The 15 days is completely arbitrary. You guys can make it one, you know, you

1055
01:31:52,430 --> 01:31:57,310
can make it two, whatever, and that you see fit for that type of use.

1056
01:32:03,340 --> 01:32:10,420
I guess if we could maybe be a little more specific to on what doesn't require a conditional

1057
01:32:10,420 --> 01:32:17,500
use permit or maybe has that a different number for certain things, like if it's strictly

1058
01:32:18,020 --> 01:32:28,670
Farmline and Preservation Education, maybe you're limited to 30 days before you need a CUP or 20 before you need a CUP, and then if it's, you know, events, I guess.

1059
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:32,340
Non-educational events of any kind.

1060
01:32:34,160 --> 01:32:35,340
We could discuss the law.

1061
01:32:35,580 --> 01:32:37,700
I hope you don't mind. Chair is going to jump in conversation.

1062
01:32:39,380 --> 01:32:40,960
Noise, I think, is the issue.

1063
01:32:41,880 --> 01:32:50,560
So you're thinking like a matrix of the different uses, and then within the matrix we have different thresholds that would trip the CUP requirement.

1064
01:32:51,360 --> 01:32:51,420
Yeah.

1065
01:32:51,420 --> 01:32:51,720
Yeah.

1066
01:32:53,680 --> 01:33:00,300
I think we just need further definition of what for one.

1067
01:33:01,220 --> 01:33:06,640
I think everybody knows I'm not a huge fan of CUPs anyway, but what trips that in there.

1068
01:33:06,640 --> 01:33:18,940
And then a secondary, maybe a process of how staff would look at the placement of AIG2 in relation to what's around it.

1069
01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:22,000
You know, we always have the question of spot zoning and whatever.

1070
01:33:23,380 --> 01:33:27,680
But maybe we look into that a little bit more detailed of what's around there.

1071
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:31,100
And a lot of that falls back on the comprehensive plans.

1072
01:33:31,220 --> 01:33:35,080
They have a future land use and we rely on that heavily to make our recommendations.

1073
01:33:35,080 --> 01:33:38,280
So, you know, that is a big factor we look at now.

1074
01:33:39,060 --> 01:33:41,540
The other thing I'd like to maybe just share with the committee.

1075
01:33:42,860 --> 01:33:47,240
The number of inquiries we've gotten for egg entertainment uses have dropped considerably.

1076
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:50,900
Since last fall there was a new state while that was implemented.

1077
01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:55,840
That puts more of the burden on the property owner to secure liquor licenses.

1078
01:33:57,480 --> 01:34:01,220
That went into effect I believe in November of last year.

1079
01:34:01,220 --> 01:34:06,880
And that would require anybody owning property where they want to do wedding burns with alcohol sales.

1080
01:34:07,140 --> 01:34:12,540
If you're going to have five or more of those events per year, the property owner is responsible for getting.

1081
01:34:12,920 --> 01:34:16,320
Not only the liquor license, but the insurance that goes with that.

1082
01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:21,160
So I had one call from a current egg entertainment wedding burn operator.

1083
01:34:21,460 --> 01:34:24,900
And they said that's just been a serious challenge for them.

1084
01:34:24,900 --> 01:34:38,300
the initial license fee is a $10,000 fee and a yearly renewal fee and then I didn't get a number on the insurance, but it seemed based on my conversation that was a significant expense.

1085
01:34:39,180 --> 01:34:49,380
So once that law passed, we are myself in the zoning staff noticed a reduction in the number of inquiries. I think that's kind of a hindrance.

1086
01:34:51,240 --> 01:34:59,000
Part of the discussion is property owner rights and if you're changing zoning and it's not

1087
01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:04,720
truly spot zoning but if you're changing zoning for one piece of property is near

1088
01:35:04,720 --> 01:35:11,580
other property and it's going to affect if either perception and that's always hard to maintain

1089
01:35:11,580 --> 01:35:22,200
manage, but the or in reality, the way that those people really enjoy or use their property,

1090
01:35:23,100 --> 01:35:31,460
then whose rights are more our responsibility to the serve.

1091
01:35:33,160 --> 01:35:34,760
And that becomes a question.

1092
01:35:35,420 --> 01:35:40,000
And is it our obligation to resale in that property in the law of the way that we've written

1093
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:43,860
And it says, yes, we have to reason on the property because it's 15 days.

1094
01:35:45,040 --> 01:35:52,160
So that becomes the challenge for me and why do I think we should consider reducing that

1095
01:35:52,160 --> 01:35:58,560
is so that we have more of an opportunity to look at that and not be painting ourselves

1096
01:35:58,560 --> 01:35:59,380
into the corner.

1097
01:36:00,700 --> 01:36:01,060
So, Jerry.

1098
01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:08,080
The question for John, John, that liquor licensing does that include BIOB events or not?

1099
01:36:08,080 --> 01:36:14,300
are people still free to bring whatever alcohol they want on onto the site onto the premises.

1100
01:36:14,680 --> 01:36:20,840
You know? I'm not sure about that. I'd have to get slicker sales. It's liquor sales. It's selling

1101
01:36:20,840 --> 01:36:21,460
of alcohol.

1102
01:36:30,250 --> 01:36:35,750
So let's talk, let's just, I'm still not sure what we're asking John for. What do

1103
01:36:35,750 --> 01:36:40,450
we want to see and what we consider as a committee. And again, we're looking at an external

1104
01:36:40,450 --> 01:36:44,710
we might be a different group of people here, so should we ask them to just wait until next

1105
01:36:44,710 --> 01:36:46,130
term and revisit this?

1106
01:36:47,790 --> 01:36:54,310
I mean, I'm betting most of this committee, if not all, we'll be here again, just based

1107
01:36:54,310 --> 01:37:01,630
on the fact that the nomination forms have turned in, I guess, put that way.

1108
01:37:05,970 --> 01:37:12,930
I don't think we'd be jumping the gun at all to, I guess, the kind of gig guidance now,

1109
01:37:13,130 --> 01:37:23,910
just based on realities, let's be prudent about it, I'm open, I said, I can be open

1110
01:37:23,910 --> 01:37:29,410
to reducing, I guess, events, I don't, I don't think I'd be comfortable with as little

1111
01:37:29,410 --> 01:37:30,010
is 7,

1112
01:37:32,160 --> 01:37:37,120
that's more palatable, but cutting it in more than half is kind of seems after the

1113
01:37:37,120 --> 01:37:48,240
fact seems a little bit improved into me and then but yeah I like the matrix idea for stuff

1114
01:37:48,240 --> 01:37:53,840
that would be easily proved by bother making them pay to go through a conditional use pyramid.

1115
01:37:56,400 --> 01:38:00,380
John has been taking notes up there I would have quite comprehensively so I think that we're

1116
01:38:00,380 --> 01:38:05,640
talking about this, not why don't we allow the staff to do some work on this and see what

1117
01:38:05,640 --> 01:38:07,980
they can come up with and come back at another meeting.

1118
01:38:08,440 --> 01:38:11,460
Yes, we may not all be here, but we may all be here doing.

1119
01:38:11,740 --> 01:38:15,460
And even if we're not all here, we have to keep moving on this.

1120
01:38:15,460 --> 01:38:16,960
The world doesn't stop if we are here.

1121
01:38:18,200 --> 01:38:18,940
Thank you.

1122
01:38:20,200 --> 01:38:24,620
Mr. Chair, if I could just ask the question, in the cover memo, we talk about some of the

1123
01:38:24,620 --> 01:38:31,120
their zoning issues that have been brought up by various tone officials and then some of

1124
01:38:31,120 --> 01:38:35,900
the encounters our staff has had regarding some of these other uses and Jason maybe

1125
01:38:35,900 --> 01:38:41,400
you can put some context to this but we've had some issues with some else mixed uses.

1126
01:38:41,660 --> 01:38:47,400
I believe in some of the Amish settlements part of the county contract or storage yards,

1127
01:38:47,400 --> 01:38:49,000
phone-based businesses?

1128
01:38:51,260 --> 01:38:57,880
I guess so I can provide some context here. In the last six

1129
01:38:57,880 --> 01:39:02,860
months that I've been here we've had a lot of common violations that keep

1130
01:39:02,860 --> 01:39:07,420
recurring. It just doesn't seem like our ordinance fits in and so while it's

1131
01:39:07,420 --> 01:39:11,780
not our job to take and create policy it is our job to let you know when our

1132
01:39:11,780 --> 01:39:17,180
policies really don't align with a large portion of the community or you know

1133
01:39:17,180 --> 01:39:19,980
communities that were seeing repeated violations for.

1134
01:39:20,720 --> 01:39:23,480
And so about three weeks ago, we met with

1135
01:39:23,480 --> 01:39:25,120
town officials from the town of Baldwin,

1136
01:39:25,660 --> 01:39:28,580
Oguelie, Springfield, and Katie.

1137
01:39:29,540 --> 01:39:31,600
And those officials brought to our attention

1138
01:39:31,600 --> 01:39:35,300
several violations that the Amish have with

1139
01:39:35,300 --> 01:39:40,680
some else small general stores for basically their people,

1140
01:39:40,760 --> 01:39:42,180
but also open to the public.

1141
01:39:42,780 --> 01:39:45,520
And also the Amish community,

1142
01:39:45,520 --> 01:39:51,820
Generally they have two different dwellings, you know, on that on that their property and so

1143
01:39:51,820 --> 01:39:57,980
There becomes a lot of issues and basically all three of those standards don't comply with our current ordinance

1144
01:39:57,980 --> 01:40:05,420
Now normally if it was just one property owner or one violation, you know, and that you probably don't have a problem with your ordinance

1145
01:40:06,160 --> 01:40:10,540
So but when we got a whole bunch of them and that just seemed like it was very repetitive

1146
01:40:10,540 --> 01:40:17,760
So we asked the towns, you know, and that what are we going to do to take and get some oversight and the

1147
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:24,320
towns were supportive of zoning ordinance amendment. I'm just going to use saw mills for an example

1148
01:40:24,320 --> 01:40:28,380
where they would be able to have some conditions in some oversight because

1149
01:40:30,200 --> 01:40:37,440
this fall or winter has been really unique, you know, in that our roadbands went on very early,

1150
01:40:37,440 --> 01:40:46,120
But they had some semi-traffic on their town roads, bringing in walks to the saw mills, and that didn't sit very well with the towns.

1151
01:40:47,120 --> 01:40:56,380
So we could go with this past Monday, Mike Wozniak, our land use administrator myself went on to Freeman Miller's property, and that is in the town of Galilee,

1152
01:40:56,780 --> 01:41:05,360
and he had a general store and he had a saw mill that our office shut down, and also another dwelling on the property.

1153
01:41:05,360 --> 01:41:07,200
He was one of our violation sites.

1154
01:41:07,800 --> 01:41:10,380
And we basically waited out on the table and we were like,

1155
01:41:10,720 --> 01:41:13,340
hey, you know, that our tunnel officials are really pushing.

1156
01:41:14,060 --> 01:41:17,900
And we've got an ordinance and we're going to enforce the ordinance.

1157
01:41:19,060 --> 01:41:21,440
But there's other issues when it comes to the building

1158
01:41:21,440 --> 01:41:24,000
coincide that the Amish are having as well.

1159
01:41:24,480 --> 01:41:26,540
And so I'm like, your whole community,

1160
01:41:26,980 --> 01:41:29,040
we want to work with you as much as possible.

1161
01:41:29,520 --> 01:41:30,880
But yet we've got our ordinances

1162
01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:33,260
and we need to take and work with our talents too.

1163
01:41:33,260 --> 01:41:39,080
So, had a good hour and a half long conversation, basically at the end of the conversation,

1164
01:41:39,480 --> 01:41:44,320
he's like, well, let me talk to some of the other members in our community and we'll see about

1165
01:41:44,320 --> 01:41:49,340
if we can get everybody together, building court officials included, town officials included

1166
01:41:49,340 --> 01:41:52,360
in one spot and meet about this.

1167
01:41:52,420 --> 01:42:00,280
And so, he did call me on Monday, and that I didn't answer, but so there's a little communication

1168
01:42:00,280 --> 01:42:06,520
challenges there but he did relate that he talked to the bishop and some other

1169
01:42:06,520 --> 01:42:10,740
founding fathers and they are willing to sit on and meet. I think there's

1170
01:42:11,740 --> 01:42:16,260
potentially a good way to comply. I'm like we're not going to pitch this at the

1171
01:42:16,260 --> 01:42:20,320
county and the towns if you guys are going to continue to take and violate. We

1172
01:42:20,320 --> 01:42:24,000
need to have a two-way partnership here and make sure that you guys are willing

1173
01:42:24,000 --> 01:42:28,900
to comply but if there's some common ground where we have a CUP that maybe has

1174
01:42:28,900 --> 01:42:36,060
truck traffic conditions and sawdust maintenance or management conditions to it maybe there is a win-win.

1175
01:42:36,340 --> 01:42:40,780
For like a sawmill right now that's only allowed with a conditionally used in the industrial

1176
01:42:41,780 --> 01:42:48,260
this is owning. So you can see that a town is not going to want to take and have an i1 in the middle of

1177
01:42:48,260 --> 01:42:53,100
their town just because of a sawmill. So basically prohibits it from being able to be done.

1178
01:42:54,240 --> 01:43:00,440
Contractor storage yard, we currently have that defined as only outside storage, but yet we've

1179
01:43:00,440 --> 01:43:04,700
got a lot of contractors in that that are trying to put their equipment inside and that

1180
01:43:04,700 --> 01:43:09,400
when they're at home, which I think, you know, doesn't have nearly the impact as outside

1181
01:43:09,940 --> 01:43:14,920
storage would be, you know, but they don't really fit our ordinance either, so we're always

1182
01:43:14,920 --> 01:43:19,560
having a hard time trying to fit them in common sense, it seems like, hey, if you can put

1183
01:43:19,560 --> 01:43:24,980
inside, out of sight, out of mind. That's a better thing. So that would be potentially

1184
01:43:25,800 --> 01:43:32,920
travel trailers. We could maybe refine our provisions that what we allow, what we

1185
01:43:32,920 --> 01:43:38,340
don't allow, and then home base businesses, there's a lot of requirements in there about

1186
01:43:38,340 --> 01:43:44,440
how much of the home base business could be used for that particular type of use. So I don't know

1187
01:43:44,440 --> 01:43:49,540
what the committee's take is, but if we're going to open it up for egg, and that for the

1188
01:43:49,540 --> 01:43:55,460
So, we're biting barns and stuff, it might make sense to open up for the chapter 15.

1189
01:44:01,180 --> 01:44:05,380
Yeah, just, yeah, but for opening it, let's get it all in one shot.

1190
01:44:08,620 --> 01:44:09,040
I agree.

1191
01:44:09,180 --> 01:44:15,480
I mean, I have a laundry list of issues that we have with chapter 15 from our last go around

1192
01:44:15,480 --> 01:44:16,320
on there.

1193
01:44:16,480 --> 01:44:21,440
But, yeah, we need to take a closer look at it once or twice.

1194
01:44:21,440 --> 01:44:24,300
Are you thinking of work session or do you want to bring something to the committee?

1195
01:44:24,860 --> 01:44:34,400
So, and that right now, it's actually a pretty nice deal because we basically got two months before we meet again here as a committee, so that gives us time to create a draft.

1196
01:44:34,900 --> 01:44:44,220
And as soon as we have that draft done, we could maybe have a first review at the main meeting and then you guys could determine whether or not you wanted to have another meeting on it.

1197
01:44:44,220 --> 01:44:59,960
I would have think that this would not be a comprehensive amendment, this would be only a minor amendment because we wouldn't be adding any zoning districts or classifications like egg one or egg two, and that we're going to stay within the existing boundaries that we're going to do.

1198
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:06,620
We've got and just modify some of the performance provisions, definitions and CUP requirements.

1199
01:45:07,660 --> 01:45:11,220
So we have two thoughts concerning the main meeting. It's going to be a huge meeting.

1200
01:45:12,340 --> 01:45:15,060
And you will not have gotten any sleep by there.

1201
01:45:15,400 --> 01:45:16,120
I'll be fine.

1202
01:45:19,100 --> 01:45:21,060
Okay. So any other thought?

1203
01:45:22,600 --> 01:45:23,860
All right. Let's move on.

1204
01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:27,920
Discussion on chapter 13.

1205
01:45:28,520 --> 01:45:29,260
And that'll be Jason.

1206
01:45:40,750 --> 01:45:46,870
Hang on, let's take a two-and-a-half minute break. Everybody just hang on.

1207
01:45:46,870 --> 01:45:49,050
Three, three, three.

1208
01:45:49,410 --> 01:45:49,810
No, no.

1209
01:45:50,050 --> 01:45:51,570
There's 180 seconds.

1210
01:45:52,550 --> 01:45:53,130
We're taking a break.

1211
01:46:02,060 --> 01:46:07,060
Our land use staff, our planning staff, everybody can basically, within community development

1212
01:46:07,060 --> 01:46:09,160
has been able to review this document.

1213
01:46:10,140 --> 01:46:17,040
And so there's numerous changes that are really just removing duplicate of text

1214
01:46:17,040 --> 01:46:23,300
And we're also trying to clarify what the Platt's submittal would have.

1215
01:46:23,680 --> 01:46:27,660
Right now there's a lot of information that is included on the face of the Platt.

1216
01:46:27,880 --> 01:46:35,780
We've had several waivers here for road setbacks, and that we basically was an implication

1217
01:46:35,780 --> 01:46:39,640
because we required too much information on the Platt a while ago.

1218
01:46:40,420 --> 01:46:45,940
So keeping the Platt very simple and clean so that when it's filed with a register of deeds,

1219
01:46:45,940 --> 01:46:51,600
we don't have to go back with all these waivers and amendments to the plat, but yet then also

1220
01:46:52,280 --> 01:46:58,220
still retaining that information in the additional submittals, so the supporting documentation

1221
01:46:58,220 --> 01:47:05,900
if you will when they complete the plat. So I'd like to just go through the main policy changes

1222
01:47:06,500 --> 01:47:12,620
and we're not advocating for these, but I'll kind of give just a short brief reason why you might

1223
01:47:12,620 --> 01:47:14,620
want to consider some of these changes.

1224
01:47:15,220 --> 01:47:18,300
The first one is with our survey required, right?

1225
01:47:18,300 --> 01:47:24,740
Now the ordinance references that if you keep your parcels over 35 acres in size, that

1226
01:47:24,740 --> 01:47:32,100
you do not need a survey, and so somebody that owns 240s side by side could come in there

1227
01:47:32,100 --> 01:47:35,720
and maybe there's a farm field on that, that goes on both 40s.

1228
01:47:36,120 --> 01:47:42,140
They could literally try to create a meets and bounds description to follow the wood line, and

1229
01:47:42,140 --> 01:47:46,940
You might end up with something really, really jagged like this and you know, I mean some

1230
01:47:46,940 --> 01:47:51,720
mounds that's as page one because they don't need a survey just because they keep both

1231
01:47:51,720 --> 01:47:58,400
parcels over 35 acres, you know, and so that provision doesn't come into effect a lot

1232
01:47:58,400 --> 01:48:04,640
because you need both parcels to be over that amount, but this here would basically mean

1233
01:48:04,640 --> 01:48:11,200
that any parcel that's being subdivided would require certified survey map.

1234
01:48:11,200 --> 01:48:14,100
And so the remnant would also be required.

1235
01:48:14,240 --> 01:48:17,200
So if you had a 40 acre parcel and you chunk

1236
01:48:17,200 --> 01:48:21,080
all one or two, you know, two acre lots of of it,

1237
01:48:21,380 --> 01:48:24,240
you would have a lot, one, a lot, two,

1238
01:48:24,280 --> 01:48:26,820
and then the remnant would be your lot, three of the map.

1239
01:48:28,360 --> 01:48:32,840
Now, usually, in that or 99% of the time,

1240
01:48:33,020 --> 01:48:35,620
the surveyers already got to go and find the other corners

1241
01:48:35,620 --> 01:48:39,100
and that when they're splitting off those other parcels.

1242
01:48:39,880 --> 01:48:43,620
So it's not like they're really having to do a lot of extra work.

1243
01:48:44,080 --> 01:48:49,480
It's just that they're including it on the map and then it creates a lot of easier processes

1244
01:48:49,480 --> 01:48:56,340
down the road because when ROD files it, it's a lot one of CSM number blank and also you get

1245
01:48:56,340 --> 01:49:04,280
like one sentence and that verse is having a whole page and when property analysis have to

1246
01:49:04,280 --> 01:49:06,000
put it into the tax roll.

1247
01:49:06,000 --> 01:49:09,180
It's very simple and the assessors are dealing with it

1248
01:49:09,180 --> 01:49:11,420
when properties are being bought and sold.

1249
01:49:12,100 --> 01:49:14,640
A very short abbreviated meets and bones.

1250
01:49:16,180 --> 01:49:17,920
So any questions on that one?

1251
01:49:18,780 --> 01:49:18,800
Okay.

1252
01:49:19,840 --> 01:49:23,080
The concept review is throughout the whole document.

1253
01:49:24,280 --> 01:49:26,660
I would consider this a preliminary review

1254
01:49:26,660 --> 01:49:30,000
for the preliminary plan or the preliminary plan.

1255
01:49:30,500 --> 01:49:33,160
And so I'm not sure a concept review

1256
01:49:33,160 --> 01:49:39,480
is a correct wording, our staff, and including Corey would like to take an offer courtesy

1257
01:49:39,480 --> 01:49:40,100
reviews.

1258
01:49:40,620 --> 01:49:45,300
So if somebody's got a draft and they want to send it in and say, hey, is there going

1259
01:49:45,300 --> 01:49:46,620
to be any issues with this?

1260
01:49:46,780 --> 01:49:47,940
We're still open to that.

1261
01:49:48,240 --> 01:49:53,720
I just don't know if we need to be as formal to have a preliminary review before the preliminary

1262
01:49:53,720 --> 01:49:55,560
plan, before the final plan.

1263
01:49:56,080 --> 01:50:00,980
So there's nothing in the statute that requires us to have that.

1264
01:50:00,980 --> 01:50:07,340
So again, similar concept could still be offered, no fees attached, just a courtesy.

1265
01:50:09,970 --> 01:50:11,030
So, road provisions.

1266
01:50:11,210 --> 01:50:13,770
So there was a lot of road provisions in the ordinance.

1267
01:50:14,490 --> 01:50:20,670
There was a court case in Rock County that token basically came out and said that public

1268
01:50:20,670 --> 01:50:25,990
improvements are to be specced by the local municipality.

1269
01:50:26,570 --> 01:50:31,830
So be the towns in our case, they're the ones that can require what the width of the

1270
01:50:31,830 --> 01:50:39,110
would be how much pavement they want on it, any drainage easements, utility easements, what the

1271
01:50:39,110 --> 01:50:46,430
county can require is more the stuff for the order we wale. So, in other words, we can say that a

1272
01:50:46,430 --> 01:50:52,770
road has to be, you know, plated or maybe has to continue to the other property line for future road

1273
01:50:52,770 --> 01:50:58,370
development so that at all connects, we just can't get into the weeds as far as what the specs are

1274
01:50:58,370 --> 01:51:04,050
of those provisions. Now, if this amendment was to go into place, we would definitely want to

1275
01:51:04,050 --> 01:51:09,150
do some outreach to make sure that the towns know that we're no longer reviewing those and to

1276
01:51:09,150 --> 01:51:15,070
make sure that they have their standards in place. There are some standard town-rolled specs

1277
01:51:15,070 --> 01:51:21,030
in chapter 82, I believe, of the Wisconsin statutes that will really cover a lot of this.

1278
01:51:21,510 --> 01:51:26,830
Just want to make sure that they would be aware of it. Again, this here is only the first review

1279
01:51:26,830 --> 01:51:32,090
this ordinance so it's still require a public hearing. We would have to file a petition with

1280
01:51:32,090 --> 01:51:36,890
the county quirk. We could do a public hearing in May or June and it could be into the

1281
01:51:36,890 --> 01:51:42,050
county board if you wanted to in June or July depending on how much review time you want.

1282
01:51:44,150 --> 01:51:52,250
We just finished up the comprehensive plan update and as part of this survey requirement of that

1283
01:51:52,250 --> 01:52:00,550
plan update was like 90% of the residents of the colony wanted to preserve the real

1284
01:52:00,550 --> 01:52:07,350
character of the colony and preserve the agricultural around and there is a lot of

1285
01:52:07,350 --> 01:52:13,230
provisions in the conservation design that are very duplicative and there may

1286
01:52:13,230 --> 01:52:17,370
be a setback of a hundred feet but then right below what they say that that hundred

1287
01:52:17,370 --> 01:52:25,210
what setback can be reduced by up to 50% if you meet this X, Y, and it's just a lot of

1288
01:52:25,210 --> 01:52:33,770
gray area. So being that the towns and their town complex designate so much of the land

1289
01:52:33,770 --> 01:52:41,530
to be developed, maybe R2 zoning, conservation design is a good tool for the colony to offer

1290
01:52:41,530 --> 01:52:44,310
to preserve the rural character, but you

1291
01:52:44,310 --> 01:52:47,430
still meet the housing needs of the county.

1292
01:52:48,190 --> 01:52:50,110
And so with the conservation design,

1293
01:52:50,530 --> 01:52:53,630
there's a 25% density increase.

1294
01:52:54,070 --> 01:52:55,750
So if you had a parcel that you could really

1295
01:52:55,750 --> 01:53:01,350
only put eight hoses on, and a conventional major plat,

1296
01:53:01,870 --> 01:53:03,890
now you do conservation design,

1297
01:53:04,130 --> 01:53:07,430
you're able to reduce the lot sizes down to half acre,

1298
01:53:07,850 --> 01:53:11,310
and you get 25% increase or roughly 10

1299
01:53:11,310 --> 01:53:18,370
blowing units out of that same parcel. We don't have many of these. I think I was going

1300
01:53:18,370 --> 01:53:23,610
one or two in the whole county right now because a developer looks at the ordinance

1301
01:53:23,610 --> 01:53:30,230
is like, oh, it's like 10 pages long. You know, and I think the center of land use education

1302
01:53:30,230 --> 01:53:35,710
or UW extension probably came up with the current text that we've got because it is very common

1303
01:53:35,710 --> 01:53:40,650
amongst the counties, it's kind of standard, if you will.

1304
01:53:41,930 --> 01:53:50,410
So the proposal has a lot of simplification and conservation design to try to promote conservation

1305
01:53:50,410 --> 01:53:54,710
design within the colony, if that's something that the committee wants to support.

1306
01:53:55,170 --> 01:54:00,510
And one of the main things that they ran into a lot of problems with was that Mona Openspace

1307
01:54:00,510 --> 01:54:07,430
requirement going from 50%, we dropped that to 40%, it could even be less if you want, but

1308
01:54:07,430 --> 01:54:13,830
basically if you've got 100 acres right now, the ordinance would require 50 acres to remain

1309
01:54:13,830 --> 01:54:21,730
open space, and we would drop that to 40 acres of open space. We think it'll be more attainable.

1310
01:54:25,570 --> 01:54:29,210
So, as a comment, did you have one on the last one on the road provisions? Sorry.

1311
01:54:31,000 --> 01:54:41,900
I guess on both of these, I do. On the road provision, one of the concerns I get being a former

1312
01:54:41,900 --> 01:54:44,080
town board person,

1313
01:54:46,260 --> 01:54:53,440
the town board has been very reliant on review for roads and construction

1314
01:54:53,440 --> 01:55:00,260
and everything and reliant on the county and they go through the process for review with

1315
01:55:00,260 --> 01:55:11,040
county highway department and most of them do have a spec, but by doing what you're talking about it kind of makes me

1316
01:55:11,040 --> 01:55:20,460
concerned that it's going to force them now to also hire in engineering services and everything to do reviews and have

1317
01:55:20,460 --> 01:55:23,700
additional costs and additional layers.

1318
01:55:25,240 --> 01:55:35,660
So right now a lot of this we rely for the role reviews and all this stuff to be done under our administrative fees and everything.

1319
01:55:35,940 --> 01:55:48,600
It was incorporated in and it was more streamlined because we're just dealing with the county to do this and if we're taking the county out of this now and we're going to put all the burden on to the town that

1320
01:55:48,600 --> 01:55:54,740
Hey, you're going to enforce your roads and how they're constructed and how they're done and the lay-outs

1321
01:55:55,360 --> 01:56:05,360
We're going to be pretty much pushing that they're going to have to hire in engineering services and we're going to add another layer of cost on to developers and everything else in there

1322
01:56:05,780 --> 01:56:12,180
So I'm just thinking out loud here about I realized the rock connie case, but

1323
01:56:12,180 --> 01:56:18,580
Is there a way that we can have a mutual agreement with the towns or another way to do this?

1324
01:56:18,600 --> 01:56:24,280
so that we can avoid the legal side of it but yet be able to do what we've been doing.

1325
01:56:24,920 --> 01:56:29,640
So that question has been asked and that unfortunately the talents can not delegate their

1326
01:56:29,640 --> 01:56:34,480
review authority to the colony and so that's where and that I'm not happy with the rock

1327
01:56:34,480 --> 01:56:39,720
colony case either but literally we would have no enforcement authority to say hey we want that to

1328
01:56:39,720 --> 01:56:46,580
be a 23 foot black top pavement road versus the standard 22 we could not require that as a colony

1329
01:56:46,580 --> 01:56:54,720
the town could. And so that's where our outreach needs to be very good. We can take the plan pages

1330
01:56:54,720 --> 01:57:00,140
that we had to cut out. Here's all of our specs. And we can take and give them to the town.

1331
01:57:00,960 --> 01:57:05,700
And then they can require the developer to show how they're going to meet it. So I don't think

1332
01:57:05,700 --> 01:57:13,580
they have to go as far as hiring outside services if they didn't want to. But really, this has

1333
01:57:13,580 --> 01:57:19,720
around since before 2018, and our office hasn't been reviewing it for the road specs.

1334
01:57:20,460 --> 01:57:25,340
So it's just a kind of a clean up thing. It's been more in the ordinance for a guidance document

1335
01:57:25,340 --> 01:57:30,860
for towns and people to look back to, just because it's one central location, but really they

1336
01:57:30,860 --> 01:57:36,460
should be going back to the statute of chapter 82. So yeah, supervisor Anderson.

1337
01:57:36,940 --> 01:57:42,760
I guess I don't see, you know, like you said any reason why they couldn't use the guidance,

1338
01:57:42,760 --> 01:57:48,160
the county used to follow as far as their own standard and then is there any reason the

1339
01:57:48,160 --> 01:57:56,340
township can't like for example I know it lose the fees but the township can't be the

1340
01:57:56,340 --> 01:58:00,580
kind of higher the county to do the review to see if it meets their own standard if that

1341
01:58:00,580 --> 01:58:05,900
makes sense. As far as the recommendation not ultimate authority but a recommendation.

1342
01:58:06,460 --> 01:58:11,620
Good ask Heather on that because I know that they can't just delegate their authority to

1343
01:58:11,620 --> 01:58:19,320
But if the town contracts with us to do their review are we then a contracted party like in

1344
01:58:19,320 --> 01:58:20,660
Engineering, so

1345
01:58:20,660 --> 01:58:23,600
Seems reasonable to me

1346
01:58:25,970 --> 01:58:34,250
Because then that's the town's decision to say these are the people doing the review for us and they're explicitly making that decision

1347
01:58:34,250 --> 01:58:39,110
Or if they can't if we can't do the review for them as a county staff

1348
01:58:39,110 --> 01:58:46,970
They can hire us as far as as far as the form of the decision they can hire us to give them a recommendation and 99% of the time

1349
01:58:46,970 --> 01:58:51,330
They just follow the recommendation problem. I don't see a problem with that

1350
01:58:51,330 --> 01:58:55,670
But that doesn't change the fact that we still need to clean up this ordinance. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely

1351
01:58:56,490 --> 01:58:59,450
We can definitely use that as part of our follow-up with them

1352
01:58:59,450 --> 01:59:05,810
You know, and the memo is hey this is changing and that may be we offer a service similar to like what we do with the

1353
01:59:05,810 --> 01:59:09,330
plans in that that we help the talent with demanding their compliance.

1354
01:59:12,440 --> 01:59:12,960
I'm sure the highway

1355
01:59:12,960 --> 01:59:17,760
commissioner will have something to say about that as well. Yeah, and that Robbie's guidance

1356
01:59:18,220 --> 01:59:22,540
is looking to statute. He says it's all spec don't right there. That's what we should be following.

1357
01:59:23,240 --> 01:59:27,960
But not saying that that the statute answered every call to sack with and you know what I mean?

1358
01:59:28,080 --> 01:59:31,720
So there is design criteria that would be helpful for the tones.

1359
01:59:34,610 --> 01:59:35,170
So through all the

1360
01:59:35,170 --> 01:59:42,210
And then I'm just going to ask the second question, well, okay, so moving on to the conservation design.

1361
01:59:45,230 --> 01:59:51,210
I'm a very big advocate for conservation design is talking with you in the past,

1362
01:59:51,890 --> 01:59:59,850
but I think our biggest downfall with conservation design that we need to work on is how we're going to manage the...

1363
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:07,860
Based water management issue is that's where the downfall is. When they install these systems,

1364
02:00:08,540 --> 02:00:15,400
it's the long-term management issue and how to do it. I don't believe it's a good practice

1365
02:00:15,400 --> 02:00:21,600
to leave that to homeowners associations because they can fall apart. They don't necessarily

1366
02:00:22,440 --> 02:00:28,700
plan them accordingly where they have sinking funds and things for replacement for the future.

1367
02:00:29,480 --> 02:00:36,500
I think there has to be a way, and it's going to involve somehow either inissapality or

1368
02:00:36,500 --> 02:00:39,620
another means that we have to do to do it.

1369
02:00:40,360 --> 02:00:47,620
But if we really want to make this happen, first we have to resolve how we're going to take

1370
02:00:47,620 --> 02:00:50,080
here the wastewater management issue.

1371
02:00:50,720 --> 02:00:56,460
So now the way I read it right now is that a common system would not be required, and that

1372
02:00:56,460 --> 02:01:02,220
It would be an option to have a common system, but if you had bigger watts that were suitable

1373
02:01:02,220 --> 02:01:07,520
for their own private sanitaries that they would be able to put them on there, and maybe

1374
02:01:07,520 --> 02:01:10,200
you just wanted to clarify that so that it's queer.

1375
02:01:11,120 --> 02:01:15,660
Yeah, because I think you need it and don't you need the state statutes at three quarters

1376
02:01:15,660 --> 02:01:19,380
of an acre for if you're going to have an individual system?

1377
02:01:19,820 --> 02:01:23,980
There's no required of it as long as it meets setbacks, you could have a corner acre wide

1378
02:01:23,980 --> 02:01:31,820
you could have a sewer on it so really I just understood that my I live on

1379
02:01:31,820 --> 02:01:37,760
under a quarter acre and it has its independent septic system. It's also

1380
02:01:37,760 --> 02:01:43,440
probably grandfathered in but it's you know you're not gonna stop if I needed

1381
02:01:43,440 --> 02:01:47,480
to replace my septic system like you can't really stop me from doing that I

1382
02:01:47,480 --> 02:01:52,760
guess I don't think we should and not just only personal experience or

1383
02:01:53,660 --> 02:01:56,900
obviously other people in the neighborhood that have each house has their own

1384
02:01:56,900 --> 02:02:00,920
septic system and we kind of tough to, I guess, pull the rug out.

1385
02:02:01,320 --> 02:02:06,260
Local back to septic, a couple of points down here so, because we've got some more.

1386
02:02:08,540 --> 02:02:11,460
So, again, Mike, what was the act?

1387
02:02:12,120 --> 02:02:13,980
Our Zoning Administrator, we had used Administrator,

1388
02:02:14,600 --> 02:02:16,200
was involved in this draft.

1389
02:02:16,720 --> 02:02:19,960
There was a lot of excess Zoning Administrator,

1390
02:02:19,960 --> 02:02:25,180
administrator, discretion, wrote into the ordinance. He's all in favor. I'm not trying to rob

1391
02:02:25,180 --> 02:02:35,120
Mike of his power. But unfortunately, that gray area, all the time, created every time that

1392
02:02:35,120 --> 02:02:39,680
our office gets some submittals. It's like, oh, what do we do? Do we apply it here? Do we

1393
02:02:39,680 --> 02:02:45,160
apply it there? You know, there was been some internal policies that have been put out to staff

1394
02:02:45,160 --> 02:02:50,540
and about what should be applied when, and that, and our goal is really, so that if they

1395
02:02:50,540 --> 02:02:56,700
can create a document that is on the website, any land owner, sub-divider, serve error,

1396
02:02:56,800 --> 02:03:00,080
can go out there, and they can read the requirements, and it's very clear.

1397
02:03:00,160 --> 02:03:03,740
This is what's saying Craig County's going to require, and this is the process that we're

1398
02:03:03,740 --> 02:03:05,140
going to have to do to do it.

1399
02:03:05,520 --> 02:03:09,720
So that's the goal of that provision, the policy, you bet.

1400
02:03:11,180 --> 02:03:18,440
As far as the zoning administrator, he still has to make rulings that could be brought to

1401
02:03:18,440 --> 02:03:25,640
BOA as a appeal, so we can't strip all that away.

1402
02:03:26,360 --> 02:03:29,100
No, this is a lot of the fluff for the discretion.

1403
02:03:34,560 --> 02:03:44,280
I'm very talked about keeping the face of the plaats queen, but just putting that in the

1404
02:03:44,280 --> 02:03:48,740
It was buildable area. That's the main thing. So that's the area with all the right

1405
02:03:48,740 --> 02:03:53,720
of ways, without the steep slopes, the wetlands. That's the main portion that we're concerned

1406
02:03:54,220 --> 02:04:00,280
about. What I mean by clarified is we defined what contiguous was. And that about having

1407
02:04:00,280 --> 02:04:08,100
a connection strip between the two chunks. I think we ended up with 16 feet. I think was what

1408
02:04:08,100 --> 02:04:12,820
we said it had to be a width to connect so that you don't have a one foot strip to connect.

1409
02:04:12,820 --> 02:04:15,860
So that's what I mean by clarifying.

1410
02:04:18,330 --> 02:04:20,830
There are several references in the ordinance

1411
02:04:20,830 --> 02:04:25,170
where it almost implies like the county is going to enforce

1412
02:04:25,170 --> 02:04:27,890
the easements, deed restrictions,

1413
02:04:28,450 --> 02:04:31,330
covenants and bylaws of some of these plats

1414
02:04:31,330 --> 02:04:36,170
and quite often we don't have any authority to do so.

1415
02:04:36,490 --> 02:04:38,670
With the ones that we have authority to enforce

1416
02:04:38,670 --> 02:04:42,050
or like conservation easements and a conservation design.

1417
02:04:42,050 --> 02:04:44,410
So, those provisions are all in there.

1418
02:04:44,530 --> 02:04:49,510
So, anything that sink or a county would be a part of, we would still be an enforcer of.

1419
02:04:49,930 --> 02:04:59,490
However, if there is a covenant that says your host has got to be hot pink, you know, we're not going to send out our way and you staff and tell somebody that they got to make their whole hot pink.

1420
02:04:59,970 --> 02:05:03,750
That would be up to the homeowner's association and that to do that.

1421
02:05:10,000 --> 02:05:13,280
So, back to the septic side.

1422
02:05:13,760 --> 02:05:25,280
Currently, every watt, within St. Croix County, when it's subdivided, requires a soil attest to be done on that watt to verify that it's suitable for a sanitary system.

1423
02:05:26,100 --> 02:05:26,500
Okay, fine.

1424
02:05:27,820 --> 02:05:36,100
The problem is, is that soil attest, you know, back in the day, we're 350 bucks or 400 bucks, it wasn't a big deal on the scheme with things.

1425
02:05:36,100 --> 02:05:40,580
now those are pushing six to seven hundred dollars and so we're getting fairly large

1426
02:05:40,580 --> 02:05:47,340
tracks of land that a farmer is buying or somebody that just wants it for hunting land is buying

1427
02:05:47,340 --> 02:05:51,900
and they're saying yeah we don't really care to do that soil attached we don't want to absorb

1428
02:05:51,900 --> 02:05:58,220
that cost I have no intention I'm building on that piece of property and so they're taking in

1429
02:05:58,220 --> 02:06:05,180
calling an outlot on the survey map when in reality that parcel meets the minimum lot size

1430
02:06:05,180 --> 02:06:10,260
requirements, it meets the contiguous notable area, it meets everything in the ordinance, but

1431
02:06:10,260 --> 02:06:13,760
it's being called that, oh, I just because they didn't want to pay for the soil attests.

1432
02:06:14,820 --> 02:06:20,540
And so we've also got existing parcels in the county that are maybe bulk of wetland, you

1433
02:06:20,540 --> 02:06:25,360
know, and they might not be able to meet the contiguous notable area on that whole parcel.

1434
02:06:25,940 --> 02:06:27,720
Do we really want to call it an old water?

1435
02:06:27,900 --> 02:06:30,420
Do we want to let them have it as is?

1436
02:06:30,700 --> 02:06:34,940
I don't know what the assessors do, but that's a question that kind of comes to my mind because

1437
02:06:34,940 --> 02:06:40,360
So if we got a big parcel that's deemed as an outlot, we would probably be assessing it

1438
02:06:40,360 --> 02:06:46,020
like it was an outlot and that they couldn't build any dwellings on that property or anything.

1439
02:06:47,200 --> 02:06:52,660
So it's just not really good order we development to be calling all these things outlots

1440
02:06:52,660 --> 02:06:57,520
when typically an outlot is a parcel that doesn't meet the ordinance requirements.

1441
02:06:58,260 --> 02:07:02,920
So maybe they don't meet the length of width because it's a road, it's a plated roadway

1442
02:07:02,920 --> 02:07:09,460
and it's only 66 feet wide, but it's 1,000 feet long, you know, those are the alt watts that are okay,

1443
02:07:09,580 --> 02:07:14,500
and those are the alt watts that we still want to continue to allow. It's just these bigger chunks just

1444
02:07:14,500 --> 02:07:21,500
because of the soil test. So, but yet if we have parcels that are being split into five acres or

1445
02:07:21,500 --> 02:07:26,500
less, or if they're part of a major plant, we know the intent of those parcels then is housing

1446
02:07:26,500 --> 02:07:34,400
development, so we took in our suggesting in the ordinance here that those are the watts

1447
02:07:34,400 --> 02:07:39,460
that we would require the soil test on. The ones that are, you know, smaller watts intended

1448
02:07:39,460 --> 02:07:44,100
for housing more than likely. Any questions on that one?

1449
02:07:50,060 --> 02:07:52,560
With that comes by or be where, you know,

1450
02:07:52,660 --> 02:07:57,900
and that when you buy a piece of property and it's 38, there's, you know, if you want to build on

1451
02:07:57,900 --> 02:08:02,500
there, you know, that somebody should be thinking, hey, I'm going to put it in the purchase order,

1452
02:08:02,640 --> 02:08:09,540
but I'm going to put it in on contingent that it has a perk that'll work for a sewer system.

1453
02:08:11,700 --> 02:08:11,700
So

1454
02:08:13,970 --> 02:08:20,690
is that something, if we make this change, we could notify like, I don't know, all of the,

1455
02:08:20,690 --> 02:08:27,370
I guess, real estate licensees in the county or something, or that generally work in the county,

1456
02:08:27,370 --> 02:08:36,330
that we probably have an email record of, or at least the major branches or whatever, just so that they root all of that, them are aware.

1457
02:08:37,130 --> 02:08:46,510
I mean, we could, but really, you know, for my own personal experience, don't be buys a lot without perk testing at first.

1458
02:08:48,070 --> 02:08:54,410
I mean, you'd be crazy to do so. So I'm buyer beware, but I mean, I think the buyer's probably already are.

1459
02:08:54,930 --> 02:08:57,070
I mean before you're going to spend that kind of money.

1460
02:08:58,770 --> 02:09:03,790
I mean, I think everywhere else you go, but it's just been past practice here that we

1461
02:09:03,790 --> 02:09:07,170
may be trying to protect the buyer too much.

1462
02:09:07,550 --> 02:09:12,450
And that a little bit, because as the time has came on, you know, on that we've changed

1463
02:09:12,450 --> 02:09:18,490
septic system designs, what's allowable, you know, so I mean, times change and we don't know

1464
02:09:18,490 --> 02:09:23,050
what the land is going to be either, you know, so somebody could go in there with a

1465
02:09:23,050 --> 02:09:30,310
and flatten it and it could make that soil test no longer valid too, you know, we would have nothing, you know, to know about it.

1466
02:09:33,900 --> 02:09:35,540
So, right. So,

1467
02:09:38,220 --> 02:09:45,130
okay, there was some provisions in far as the landscape standards that were in conflict with chapter 15.

1468
02:09:45,640 --> 02:09:50,920
So, we just made consistency through all of the document with definitions.

1469
02:09:52,020 --> 02:09:55,280
And like I said, various standards that they were the same.

1470
02:09:56,200 --> 02:10:00,380
Otherwise, it's confusing, which one are you supposed to follow?

1471
02:10:01,220 --> 02:10:05,000
Condense the ownership options for outlats and shared common open space.

1472
02:10:05,200 --> 02:10:10,280
There was provisions in there to allow like a third party conservation organization to own them.

1473
02:10:11,180 --> 02:10:15,800
But of course, we had concerns about tax deed, takebacks, property taxes.

1474
02:10:17,260 --> 02:10:22,140
You know, who was going to follow it through and make sure each party was doing everything that they should be?

1475
02:10:22,140 --> 02:10:28,220
So the one-third party that we would allow besides the developer and the county would be the town.

1476
02:10:28,720 --> 02:10:33,280
So which and that is kind of most of those public properties go.

1477
02:10:35,440 --> 02:10:40,220
We updated the agencies, ordinance, links, some middle requirements.

1478
02:10:42,400 --> 02:10:47,540
There was several provisions throughout the ordinance that I would call just negative and nature.

1479
02:10:48,160 --> 02:10:53,720
They're like on that they're really unnecessary. They were within the ordinance like if you don't do this

1480
02:10:53,720 --> 02:10:59,320
We're gonna penalize you and use the enforcement provisions. Well that of course because of its an ordinance

1481
02:10:59,320 --> 02:11:05,960
It's implied so we still have our enforcement section and that's everything that's gonna enforce the whole ordinance

1482
02:11:05,960 --> 02:11:08,820
So hopefully it's just more public friendly

1483
02:11:12,690 --> 02:11:17,070
So a big change and it's not much of the text in the ordinance

1484
02:11:17,070 --> 02:11:24,730
But currently, any credit county has required any public improvements to be installed before

1485
02:11:24,730 --> 02:11:29,070
the final plan is approved and filed with the Register of Deeds Office.

1486
02:11:29,810 --> 02:11:35,490
Currently, our financial insurance for doing that will only require 50% down because we are

1487
02:11:35,490 --> 02:11:37,210
holding that final plan approval.

1488
02:11:38,090 --> 02:11:44,490
And this provision, I think, would be more developed or friendly, but yet still cover the

1489
02:11:44,490 --> 02:11:49,790
on concerns because the developer will have approval of the final

1490
02:11:49,790 --> 02:11:56,230
plat, but yet the county will still retain 120% financial assurance of what the

1491
02:11:56,230 --> 02:12:00,170
cost of the improvements are to make sure that they're implemented out there on

1492
02:12:00,170 --> 02:12:05,010
the site. So in other words, public improvements would come after final

1493
02:12:05,010 --> 02:12:09,830
plat approval first and before. Any questions on that one?

1494
02:12:14,690 --> 02:12:34,170
Yeah, so in other words if I'm putting in a development and I've got public improvements that I have to put in for roads or whatever it is, you're saying that if I got to spend a million for the road, now I've got to spend 2.2 million that I have to have cash.

1495
02:12:35,630 --> 02:12:54,390
Well, and that's what we're saying in the 20% and that 1.2 so we would have to have financial assurance for 1.2 and that plus you'd have to build the road but the financial assurance could be in a line of credit or whatever, you know, so 2.2 million, no, you need to have cash.

1496
02:12:54,390 --> 02:13:01,370
but what this really does is it takes the burden off from you and let's say that the

1497
02:13:01,370 --> 02:13:06,950
county changes the ordinance or let's say staff move on and they have a different interpretation

1498
02:13:06,950 --> 02:13:12,610
of the provisions and now you and you invested a million dollars in that road and now the

1499
02:13:12,610 --> 02:13:18,970
requirements change and that now you don't get your final plat approved that's a big deal

1500
02:13:18,970 --> 02:13:23,590
you know, and versus what we're saying is, hey, you're

1501
02:13:23,590 --> 02:13:26,230
final class approved, you got to have the financial assurance

1502
02:13:26,230 --> 02:13:29,810
because we got inflation costs, that's why it's 120% because it

1503
02:13:29,810 --> 02:13:31,170
could be up to three years later.

1504
02:13:31,690 --> 02:13:35,450
The million dollar project would require 1.2 million dollar

1505
02:13:35,450 --> 02:13:39,890
performance bond, a performance bond cost 1 to 3% of the total

1506
02:13:39,890 --> 02:13:41,030
project costs.

1507
02:13:44,080 --> 02:13:51,320
I don't know, last time I was pricing performance bonds, they were in the

1508
02:13:54,620 --> 02:14:03,740
the 120% that is the maximum that we're able to go to. So, yep. But from what we've kind of

1509
02:14:03,740 --> 02:14:08,220
talked with some of the developers already, you know, and that they were very supportive of

1510
02:14:08,220 --> 02:14:13,200
this concept, so that they knew that the green lights there, I gotta take and spend the money,

1511
02:14:13,840 --> 02:14:16,320
but at least know that everything's going to move forward.

1512
02:14:19,390 --> 02:14:23,850
I guess I don't see the need for the 120%

1513
02:14:23,850 --> 02:14:27,490
If you're going to provide a bond or whatever it is,

1514
02:14:27,750 --> 02:14:30,030
why would you need to be over a hundred percent?

1515
02:14:30,510 --> 02:14:31,530
That's a solution.

1516
02:14:36,550 --> 02:14:38,250
That'd be a public hearing on this, yep.

1517
02:14:44,500 --> 02:14:47,440
Are we going to, should we consider having an open house,

1518
02:14:47,640 --> 02:14:50,320
where we invite public to come in and make comments on this one?

1519
02:14:50,940 --> 02:14:52,180
These are some pretty big changes.

1520
02:14:52,640 --> 02:14:53,460
It's up to you.

1521
02:14:53,760 --> 02:14:56,720
And that's kind of the purpose of the public hearing,

1522
02:14:57,200 --> 02:14:59,920
and we have ample time to provide notice right now.

1523
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:06,520
And we can even create a web page and put it on online, similar to the compliant, if you'd like. So,

1524
02:15:09,480 --> 02:15:13,660
I'm a public hearing. Would it be quite a public hearing?

1525
02:15:14,060 --> 02:15:28,640
Right, I get that public hearing happens within, you know, four minutes of actually taking the vote. And if we have an open house, it gives a lot more time for policymakers to consider what what's being said.

1526
02:15:28,640 --> 02:15:31,300
I know it's a lot more work for the staff.

1527
02:15:31,460 --> 02:15:32,980
I appreciate that I do.

1528
02:15:35,100 --> 02:15:39,160
I'm sorry I quite a few hours in this, so yeah, I get.

1529
02:15:39,260 --> 02:15:40,060
We are action item.

1530
02:15:40,100 --> 02:15:41,720
We could always be delighted to the following meeting.

1531
02:15:41,900 --> 02:15:44,460
You don't have to vote right after the public hearing.

1532
02:15:46,800 --> 02:15:47,240
Noted.

1533
02:15:47,880 --> 02:15:53,380
Noted. I just want, I don't, this is another case where we've got two builders on this committee

1534
02:15:53,380 --> 02:15:56,400
and both of them have put up a red flag on this one issue.

1535
02:15:56,400 --> 02:16:04,740
The last thing that I want to see is to pass this and then have a quarter of the bill

1536
02:16:04,740 --> 02:16:11,640
there's a sacred county come in here, angry that we did this because we didn't tell them.

1537
02:16:12,020 --> 02:16:14,120
I don't want anybody thinking we snuck something in.

1538
02:16:15,140 --> 02:16:21,580
So I want to take every opportunity that we can to make sure that we communicate this

1539
02:16:21,580 --> 02:16:22,760
and get input.

1540
02:16:22,760 --> 02:16:29,420
But I want if we take and send note the draft and that to the surveyors and developers

1541
02:16:29,420 --> 02:16:34,760
and that that we work with on a regular basis and that's so that they are very well

1542
02:16:34,760 --> 02:16:36,900
notified for the public hearing.

1543
02:16:38,300 --> 02:16:41,720
That's I think that's pretty good.

1544
02:16:41,980 --> 02:16:47,500
We're going to include realtors on that and I think they would be prudent.

1545
02:16:47,500 --> 02:16:52,380
But we try to find that list and can't guarantee that we'll hit every

1546
02:16:52,380 --> 02:16:56,000
reorder and that, but we can, we can maybe hit the branch office or

1547
02:16:56,000 --> 02:16:57,080
something within the colony.

1548
02:16:57,840 --> 02:17:05,460
So if you get a listing of the Sanctuary Valley Builders Association, you

1549
02:17:05,460 --> 02:17:10,060
can get a pretty decent listing of all of the main builders anyway from the

1550
02:17:10,060 --> 02:17:19,340
and then also the Western Wisconsin Realtors Association I think is the other one that you

1551
02:17:19,340 --> 02:17:25,760
could get a pretty decent listing of everybody that would and you may be able to just

1552
02:17:25,760 --> 02:17:28,700
send it to them and they can disperse the information.

1553
02:17:32,240 --> 02:17:37,380
No, I need to ask the question if we had any issues without getting the financial insurance

1554
02:17:37,380 --> 02:17:39,160
that we've ended up holding the bag.

1555
02:17:39,340 --> 02:17:41,820
Has the county lost money by not getting insurance?

1556
02:17:44,690 --> 02:17:48,570
I don't know if the county has, but in my 20 years, I've seen it at least twice.

1557
02:17:49,770 --> 02:17:54,330
I've seen it at least twice where a developer has gone under before they finish the project

1558
02:17:54,330 --> 02:17:56,570
and we had to exercise their performance bond.

1559
02:17:59,870 --> 02:18:05,490
I remember that the county is kind of a third party on this, too, because we'd be working

1560
02:18:05,490 --> 02:18:07,930
with the talents on completing these projects.

1561
02:18:10,240 --> 02:18:16,360
Okay, so in asking for, you know, increased communication, we're going to fill the room with a specific

1562
02:18:17,200 --> 02:18:21,780
population who are going to object to this, and I know that too, I just want to make sure

1563
02:18:21,780 --> 02:18:23,860
that we don't anger this population.

1564
02:18:24,040 --> 02:18:24,920
I don't know.

1565
02:18:25,880 --> 02:18:26,580
I don't know.

1566
02:18:27,240 --> 02:18:29,100
So, we're talking about the development in New Richmond.

1567
02:18:29,340 --> 02:18:32,520
There was next to the turkeys at the county purchase and then sold to developer.

1568
02:18:33,760 --> 02:18:34,920
Was that an unfinished?

1569
02:18:35,240 --> 02:18:36,280
It was unfinished.

1570
02:18:36,280 --> 02:18:39,560
I don't know if the city ended up taking a hit on that.

1571
02:18:39,700 --> 02:18:42,940
I know that the land came back to the county on tax abatement.

1572
02:18:43,180 --> 02:18:43,580
Yep.

1573
02:18:43,800 --> 02:18:45,780
And we sold it for a nice price.

1574
02:18:46,080 --> 02:18:47,520
But I think the developer really made out.

1575
02:18:47,520 --> 02:18:51,280
But I think they had to finish some of the utilities in that.

1576
02:18:52,120 --> 02:18:52,780
I don't think so.

1577
02:18:52,880 --> 02:18:57,620
I think they had everything right down to cable TV plugged into that.

1578
02:18:57,740 --> 02:18:58,200
Okay.

1579
02:18:58,980 --> 02:19:00,320
It was done.

1580
02:19:00,500 --> 02:19:01,440
It turned key project.

1581
02:19:01,760 --> 02:19:01,920
Yep.

1582
02:19:02,160 --> 02:19:04,680
It was my understanding on that.

1583
02:19:04,680 --> 02:19:11,900
was that the developer had invested, put in all the infrastructure, put it all the roads, storm,

1584
02:19:12,020 --> 02:19:22,320
sewer, everything was done. But was unaware that there was a huge fee that was due to the

1585
02:19:22,320 --> 02:19:33,180
city for sewer and water access charges and that put them under. It was an excess of a third

1586
02:19:33,180 --> 02:19:40,380
a million dollars in fees at the city was looking for and that put them over the top that

1587
02:19:40,380 --> 02:19:46,020
they couldn't get the funding or the financing to pay for the permits to get their final

1588
02:19:46,020 --> 02:19:46,900
platter approval.

1589
02:19:47,640 --> 02:19:51,880
I was just trying to think of a project in the county where the developer didn't go under,

1590
02:19:52,660 --> 02:19:54,600
but maybe they'd finish the utilities of that one.

1591
02:19:58,030 --> 02:19:58,090
Yeah.

1592
02:19:58,090 --> 02:20:02,610
And with the financial assurance, I know that's a huge increase from 50 to 120 percent,

1593
02:20:02,730 --> 02:20:03,950
but that's a faster turnaround.

1594
02:20:03,950 --> 02:20:13,690
There's provisions in the ordinance too that basically upon completion, that money is released back or that bond is released and that it's not upon right now

1595
02:20:13,690 --> 02:20:19,290
It kind of lingers on for many years after words where they could be like a partial release and stuff and that

1596
02:20:19,990 --> 02:20:25,010
We're just trying to keep it very simplified, but yet if we've got a development and they've already got the final plat record

1597
02:20:25,010 --> 02:20:29,810
And we only got 50% financial assurance and they walk away from it

1598
02:20:29,810 --> 02:20:32,770
What are we gonna do to take and make sure that stuff's put in?

1599
02:20:32,770 --> 02:20:37,110
So that's why we've increased it over a hundred percent.

1600
02:20:37,790 --> 02:20:41,190
But consider, I'd suggest to the committee,

1601
02:20:41,390 --> 02:20:42,970
we consider having a public hearing,

1602
02:20:44,550 --> 02:20:46,890
and then what would be a second thing to take the vote

1603
02:20:46,890 --> 02:20:49,850
a month later, and have discussion a month later.

1604
02:20:51,390 --> 02:20:53,510
As might sound crazy, and it might not be possible.

1605
02:20:53,850 --> 02:20:55,830
But I'm just throwing it out there.

1606
02:20:56,230 --> 02:20:59,930
Is it possible to let the individual contractor choose

1607
02:20:59,930 --> 02:21:01,530
which option they want to do it?

1608
02:21:01,530 --> 02:21:04,790
we have to set one standard.

1609
02:21:07,660 --> 02:21:10,120
I suppose it's possible and that you couldn't create it.

1610
02:21:10,320 --> 02:21:12,860
It's not typically done how we're doing it right now.

1611
02:21:13,000 --> 02:21:15,640
Typically, the financial assurance, the reason why there's

1612
02:21:15,640 --> 02:21:18,180
financial assurance is to make sure that it's done

1613
02:21:18,180 --> 02:21:19,980
because the final class has already been recorded.

1614
02:21:21,020 --> 02:21:23,480
So this is very unique, oh, we've got it.

1615
02:21:25,120 --> 02:21:28,720
And it's also delays the whole planning process,

1616
02:21:29,000 --> 02:21:32,080
of course, because and that you've got a preliminary that

1617
02:21:32,080 --> 02:21:36,340
comes in, then they get their preliminary approval from staff.

1618
02:21:36,800 --> 02:21:41,040
Now they go spend that, you know, quarter of a million million dollars, whatever, build

1619
02:21:41,040 --> 02:21:44,720
the road and everything, and now they're coming back for final product approval.

1620
02:21:44,880 --> 02:21:49,700
Well, what happens if the ordinance changed in there or what happens if staff say, and

1621
02:21:49,700 --> 02:21:51,260
no, sorry, it's not good enough.

1622
02:21:51,380 --> 02:21:52,440
We don't want to do that anymore.

1623
02:21:53,260 --> 02:21:56,940
You know, so at what point do you ask for the financial assurance at preliminary

1624
02:21:56,940 --> 02:22:00,080
plant or at final plant approval then what the change.

1625
02:22:00,480 --> 02:22:01,020
Final plant approval.

1626
02:22:02,040 --> 02:22:02,220
All right.

1627
02:22:02,420 --> 02:22:03,880
So they could get a preliminary plant.

1628
02:22:04,020 --> 02:22:08,040
They can go put all the utilities and then ask for final plant approval and they would

1629
02:22:08,040 --> 02:22:10,380
need no assurance because the utilities are already in.

1630
02:22:13,320 --> 02:22:14,320
So crazy works.

1631
02:22:16,470 --> 02:22:16,710
Correct.

1632
02:22:18,190 --> 02:22:21,190
So are you saying what would streamline this?

1633
02:22:21,210 --> 02:22:24,770
What would be better and still protect the interest of the taxpayers?

1634
02:22:26,710 --> 02:22:31,810
at what point should we be doing to make it easier for the contractor for the developer.

1635
02:22:32,090 --> 02:22:32,950
Like it's proposed.

1636
02:22:34,830 --> 02:22:35,310
Okay.

1637
02:22:35,310 --> 02:22:36,430
That's a final plat.

1638
02:22:36,670 --> 02:22:37,490
It should be done.

1639
02:22:37,830 --> 02:22:40,110
In other words, we should go through all the approvals.

1640
02:22:40,330 --> 02:22:41,910
Get all of our permits up front, right?

1641
02:22:42,430 --> 02:22:44,850
And then we should take and start construction.

1642
02:22:46,090 --> 02:22:48,910
And the financial assurance is to make sure that that happens.

1643
02:22:54,830 --> 02:22:54,990
All right.

1644
02:22:55,110 --> 02:22:55,250
Continue.

1645
02:22:58,830 --> 02:23:05,530
The next one that we changed was policy, was we simplified the land, disturbance section.

1646
02:23:06,330 --> 02:23:11,390
This is one of the things that was part of our last agenda topic about the chapter 15 amendments

1647
02:23:11,390 --> 02:23:12,490
for filling and grading.

1648
02:23:13,130 --> 02:23:18,410
We've got a lot of different provisions where maybe they've got to go through ten foot

1649
02:23:18,410 --> 02:23:28,850
You know, in that it's maybe 20 to 25 percent slope right now anything over 25 percent would be prohibited by the ordinance now that

1650
02:23:28,850 --> 02:23:37,490
Case on the middle of a farm field or something where there's no erosion potential that might be in a model will use you know, but if you got a you know

1651
02:23:38,690 --> 02:23:42,010
You've got a 150 feet of elevation that's 25%

1652
02:23:42,950 --> 02:23:44,530
That's a totally different thing.

1653
02:23:45,550 --> 02:23:48,570
This provision is kind of looking forward to what

1654
02:23:48,570 --> 02:23:50,810
Chapter 15 amendments might look like.

1655
02:23:51,110 --> 02:23:53,390
And that to try to simplify that process and create some

1656
02:23:53,390 --> 02:23:56,190
Performance Standards, so that is not just a prohibited use,

1657
02:23:56,690 --> 02:23:58,050
but that they have to file property,

1658
02:23:58,190 --> 02:23:59,030
erosion control.

1659
02:23:59,250 --> 02:24:00,950
They have to make sure that it's stabilized.

1660
02:24:02,270 --> 02:24:05,650
And so that, like I said, even some of the ditches

1661
02:24:05,650 --> 02:24:08,910
on their backswool or over 25% you know.

1662
02:24:09,510 --> 02:24:11,930
So it's just trying to put some context in there

1663
02:24:11,930 --> 02:24:12,710
about the differences.

1664
02:24:16,230 --> 02:24:18,370
Right now the company's got two different links

1665
02:24:18,370 --> 02:24:19,430
to with ratios.

1666
02:24:20,690 --> 02:24:24,910
Right now we specify parcels less than 10 acres at one

1667
02:24:24,910 --> 02:24:28,050
and parcels greater than 10 acres at one.

1668
02:24:28,350 --> 02:24:30,450
So we simplified it and we went to the bigger one.

1669
02:24:30,590 --> 02:24:32,150
So there's less restrictive.

1670
02:24:33,350 --> 02:24:35,310
And that is a four to one.

1671
02:24:35,310 --> 02:24:38,730
And then right now, because of the shape of lots,

1672
02:24:38,890 --> 02:24:44,350
can vary a bunch, there's like several pages of how to calculate what the width is

1673
02:24:44,350 --> 02:24:50,010
and basically we try to take and simplify it so that it's three measurements and see average of them.

1674
02:24:50,170 --> 02:24:55,150
So you take the widest part, you take the narrowest part, and you take one in the average or in the middle

1675
02:24:55,690 --> 02:25:03,010
and then you put all those together, then take your width times four and if your average is less than

1676
02:25:03,010 --> 02:25:07,090
whatever that be, so if it was 400, if it was 100 feet wide, you're good to go.

1677
02:25:12,960 --> 02:25:20,080
So, okay, one of the things that we don't do a lot of is developer agreements, but we

1678
02:25:20,080 --> 02:25:26,700
left it in there, just in case we need to use it someday down the road, but we did condense it down,

1679
02:25:26,720 --> 02:25:32,840
simplified the wording, so no big changes as far as what it actually is or what it can do.

1680
02:25:34,480 --> 02:25:37,340
The land division ordinance is kind of unique.

1681
02:25:38,080 --> 02:25:40,700
I've never heard of a waiver before.

1682
02:25:41,960 --> 02:25:44,540
Typically, those are considered variances.

1683
02:25:44,760 --> 02:25:49,000
And if you look at criteria, that a waiver was to be reviewed against.

1684
02:25:49,280 --> 02:25:53,760
It's very similar to a variance, unnecessary hardship, physical property limitations,

1685
02:25:54,040 --> 02:25:55,640
not contrary to public interest.

1686
02:25:56,160 --> 02:26:01,880
So we remove the waiver provisions and we imported variance provisions.

1687
02:26:01,880 --> 02:26:09,640
that those would go to the board of adjustment. So, there's no case law on labor's center of

1688
02:26:09,640 --> 02:26:14,460
land use and education, doesn't use labor's, you know, so I mean really you're asking for a

1689
02:26:14,460 --> 02:26:15,840
variance to the standard.

1690
02:26:19,580 --> 02:26:24,920
And then the current B section is quite lengthy so we do do that and we

1691
02:26:24,920 --> 02:26:31,100
simply reflect the committee's fee schedule that you approve as the fee schedule and the ordinance

1692
02:26:31,100 --> 02:26:37,420
for the ordinance. Do you need the fee schedule in the ordinance? Or could you reference a fee

1693
02:26:37,420 --> 02:26:42,080
schedule outside of the ordinance would be easier to update? That's what we did. And that is

1694
02:26:42,080 --> 02:26:47,480
that we just reference the fee schedule and that outside of the ordinance. So we removed all fees

1695
02:26:47,480 --> 02:26:51,520
and kept it very simple in the ordinance. So we don't have to amend the ordinance every time

1696
02:26:52,000 --> 02:26:53,420
and just look outside.

1697
02:27:01,890 --> 02:27:06,410
And just so that's not a shock. And that when we go out of public hearing

1698
02:27:06,410 --> 02:27:12,870
with this. The current documents about 108 pages long and it's almost cut in half directly

1699
02:27:12,870 --> 02:27:20,350
and that's about 54 pages long but really the policy changes have just been went over right here.

1700
02:27:20,810 --> 02:27:25,130
So there's not a lot of policy, there's a lot of duplicate text in several sections.

1701
02:27:25,490 --> 02:27:30,190
I think the conservation design stuff could be cut more. I mean it's something I would

1702
02:27:30,190 --> 02:27:36,250
encourage you to take and review because there's a lot of stuff about internal open space

1703
02:27:36,250 --> 02:27:40,710
within the group clusters, and there's a lot of provisions there, and that might still

1704
02:27:40,710 --> 02:27:45,810
scare developers away from using consecration design because it looks like a lot, but

1705
02:27:45,810 --> 02:27:51,430
it's really not that hard to meet, so it's something to throw out there, I'd encourage you

1706
02:27:51,430 --> 02:27:56,590
to review it and decide, you know, how will, how will attractive do we want to make conservation

1707
02:27:56,590 --> 02:27:58,450
design within St. Craig County?

1708
02:28:02,160 --> 02:28:07,200
We're going to have a conversation on conservation design at a later time when it becomes

1709
02:28:07,200 --> 02:28:17,820
clear subject and I suggest we do make it a future agenda item or workshop or something and I'm

1710
02:28:17,820 --> 02:28:23,060
saying that to avoid another 20 minute conversation because it's a very important topic

1711
02:28:25,420 --> 02:28:26,120
and I'm

1712
02:28:26,120 --> 02:28:32,060
not making light of it I think we need to delve into it and promote it. All right anything else

1713
02:28:35,540 --> 02:28:41,840
good. This morning when I woke up I was really just dancing around because I knew I got to here

1714
02:28:41,840 --> 02:28:49,240
financial report today. Anything? Sorry to disappoint you. This is through February, so it's really

1715
02:28:49,240 --> 02:28:53,940
truly in the year to identify financial trends and red flags. If you saw something you want me to

1716
02:28:53,940 --> 02:28:56,020
answer though, I'll be happy to.

1717
02:28:58,130 --> 02:29:00,150
Otherwise the numbers aren't big enough to worry about yet.

1718
02:29:00,430 --> 02:29:03,410
I should have invited my friend Judy Oglerhoff. She was good at this.

1719
02:29:12,080 --> 02:29:14,140
Development, community development, carbon update.

1720
02:29:16,940 --> 02:29:19,600
Does anybody know that Jason had a baby the other day?

1721
02:29:19,600 --> 02:29:28,740
You know, named Clint, so otherwise I don't have anything else right now Mr. Chair.

1722
02:29:28,900 --> 02:29:35,180
I don't understand, now this is of course bonnets. West Central Wisconsin Regional Planning Committee.

1723
02:29:36,860 --> 02:29:40,500
Well that was the other day that already happened. That was a great meeting by the way.

1724
02:29:41,000 --> 02:29:47,600
We held the meeting yesterday at Bulmas Farms and Jason gave a phenomenal report on

1725
02:29:50,160 --> 02:29:58,080
and farmland preservation, and they very well received, and I want to make a public

1726
02:29:58,080 --> 02:29:59,980
thanks to this wall.

1727
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:08,300
And Steve Schala, and just it was a great, great representative St. Craig County finale at the regional planning.

1728
02:30:08,520 --> 02:30:10,860
I request for a future agenda items.

1729
02:30:13,480 --> 02:30:15,560
Right, wait until next term.

1730
02:30:16,760 --> 02:30:19,260
Okay, the date of the next meeting is Thursday, April 18th.

1731
02:30:19,260 --> 02:30:23,760
I think it is not that date. So you will not have a meeting in April, your next meeting will be in May.

1732
02:30:24,180 --> 02:30:26,240
Because I'll be, thank you, you anticipated that.

1733
02:30:26,240 --> 02:30:27,160
Yes, I did, yeah.

1734
02:30:27,420 --> 02:30:29,820
I'll spend on every agenda, everyone's missed that.

1735
02:30:30,260 --> 02:30:33,460
Okay, so the day the next meeting will be

1736
02:30:34,540 --> 02:30:39,020
Well, well as the organization the organizer of the meeting is that's a point to okay

1737
02:30:39,020 --> 02:30:44,180
We don't know what the next meeting is. We don't need something until right the new colony board is constituted

1738
02:30:45,120 --> 02:30:48,860
Right, okay, guys stay tuned adjourn. Thank you