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Hi, I'm calling to order these special committee on reducing red tape. It is Wednesday, March 18th at 12.03 pm. Madam Clerk, please call the roll.

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Alderman Narayan,

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Vice Chair Brownie.

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President.

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Alderman Velasquez, President.

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Alderman Aldridge.

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Alderman Cox Antwee.

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Chair Swiser.

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President.

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Alderman Narayan.

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Alderman Cox Antwee.

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Have four.

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Present.

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We have a quorum.

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Thank you, Madam Clerk.

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Quorum being present.

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We'll move on to approval of the minutes.

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I do want to note that the minutes from Wednesday.

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November 19th at the top as as 12 30 a.m. so if that could just be edited to say 12 30 p.m.

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And with that edit, I would entertain emotion to adopt the minutes from Wednesday, November 19th, 2025.

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So moved. Second.

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Madam, it's been moved by the Alderman from the sex, seconded from the Alderman from the 14th. Madam Clerk, please call the roll.

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Autumn in the Ryan, five-year Browning, all the women of the last kids.

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Autumn in Aldridge.

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Hi.

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Autumn in Cox Antoine,

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chair swifter.

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Hi.

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Autumn in the Ryan.

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Madam Clark, I think they're an Autumn in the Ryan,

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and Autumn in Cox Antoine are actually moved over.

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So I want you to move them over if you could do the role.

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This second time through.

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Wonderful.

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Autumn in the Ryan.

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I'll double my cocks and tweet.

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I have six eyeballs.

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Thank you.

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With that vote, we have passed the motion of or passed the approval of the minutes from

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Wednesday, remember 19, 2025.

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Moving on.

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We'll move to board bills for review.

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We have one board bill to review.

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That is board bill number 150.

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I introduced by Alderman Aldridge.

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Alderman Aldridge, you are recognized on board bill 152.

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All

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right, thank you Madam Chairwoman and members of Red Tate Committee.

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Board Bill 152, eventually we will have a committee sub, but I'll just high level talk about what the bill is.

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And then hopefully we can adopt the committee sub to talk about the changes from the original bill to the committee sub and then have some amendments.

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So Board Bill 152 is ultimately repealing and amending certain ordinance within our food truck

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and vending district code.

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So this has been a long and the works bill.

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I think this is probably the third year that this bill has been filed and worked on

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as got out of committee last year, and I think we're at a really good point of getting

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out, and hopefully getting to the floor this year.

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This is a piece of legislation that has truly been a group effort of many individuals.

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So I do want to thank all individuals who have been at the table this year to kind of work on this piece of legislation.

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We've started to meet weeks ago with a lot of stakeholders.

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First, we had a stay-coder from the Central Assembly of Mr. Jim Dwyer.

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We'll make sure I get his last name right Mr. James Page from downtown DNA.

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Neighborhood Association, Mr. Matt O'Leary, who is over the downtown for.

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We had the President and the Vice President of the Food Truck Association.

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We had the President of the Food, or the Restaurant Association, who's here with us today,

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as well as individuals from the street department.

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My office Mr. Matt Heskamp, as well as Ms. April, who was amazing taking notes, somebody

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from the President Office, Ms. Janika Hayden, helped on this policy, and in the previous

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years, some of the language that we incorporated came from the mayor's office when KC was

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helping on the last version as well as the street department.

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So what we plan to do when we eventually adopt the committee's serve is we're ultimately trying to cut red tape for food trucks for them to be able to operate one of the things I heard as I spoke with a lot of food truck owners is

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It wasn't really clear between SOTC and the streets department when they get their map of where they actually can operate and bend so we want to clear that up and give more options would make it very detail of where they can

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Food trucks throughout other cities have been very successful as well as even in our city on a tower grove

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Kind of do their food truck weekends

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Food trucks also set up in various spots either in like the Central Estana or in the wash-out area

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But it is to give food truck operators more ability to hopefully

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Know what the rules and regulations are so that they can van a lot of food trucks actually also have brick-and-mortars

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There are studies that show that a lot of food trucks who do not have the capital to go into brick and mortar.

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They start as a food truck to then hopefully open up a brick and mortar.

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So before I walk through the bill and just talk about some of the changes that we're trying to do to make operations easier for our food trucks.

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I would just ask if we would be able to suspend the rules to introduce the committee to Board Bill 152.

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Okay. Thank you very much, Alderman. And with that, I will entertain a motion to adopt the committee substitute for board bill.

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It has spent the rules to adopt the committee substitute for board bill 150.

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I move that we suspend the rules to adopt the committee substitute for board bill 152.

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Okay.

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We have a move.

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It will move by Alderman from the six words.

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Seconded by the Alderman from 14th word to adopt the committee substitute for board bill 152.

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Madam clerk, please call them.

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Autumn in the right.

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Aye.

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Vice Chair Browning.

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Aye.

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Out of one of the last kids.

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Autumn in Aldridge.

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Aye.

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Out of one of my cocks, Ant-wee.

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Aye.

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Chair Switzer.

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Aye.

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We have six aye votes.

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Thank you.

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Your vote, you have sustained the motion

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in the Alderman of the six ward

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and suspended the rules

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for the purposes of adopting board bill number 152 committee

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substitute or at bill number 152 committee substitute is now in front of us. All

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remaining may proceed. Thank you madam chairman members of the committee. A lot of

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things in us sent a red line version to everybody as well as the voted clean copy of

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it. So there is several things that is going to stay in the current food truck ordinance.

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At some point the goal is to work with all those stakeholders and to bring back to the

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able next session to do a overhaul cleanup of the food truck or

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nets because when you look at it, it addresses food trucks, it addresses

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sidewalks and one of the things that we will change is it talks about food

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vendors. So with working with the streets apartment, we did clean up just

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striking out the food vendor on page through four of the clean

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version and we inserted it with a food or mobile food vendor is or

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vehicle vendor, which means any person whose sales are offered the sales of goods, merchandise,

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service goods, or beverages from self-contained, motorized vehicles.

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So it wasn't very clear in the vehicle language what a kind of food truck is.

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So instead of just keeping the vehicle vendor, we end up changing that and including mobile

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food truck or mobile food vendor or a vehicle vendor.

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on page 5 of the bill and I'm trying to on the same page I'm trying to keep a

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red line version and the actual clean copy on page 4 one of the things you'll

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see is we took out all the word districts because what these will ultimately

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be called is commercial or vending commercial markets so in the previous

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ordinance it says a lot of vending districts a lot of vending districts which

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later throughout the bill we got rid of all the vending districts as we

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create a more direct centralized food truck kind of markets.

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So you'll see district strike out to out the bill starting on page four

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whereas boat it and then the red line copy you'll see it on that.

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So it's not in the clean copy where you strike out a district.

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But in the red line copy we strike out the districts.

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One of the things that we did keep in with the districts on the next page

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is the warf district, which was already in ordnance.

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So the warf district is located down at the arch.

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It is kind of a district that was established along.

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Time ago, that is agreement with the arch foundation

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and the city of St. Louis that they have the rights

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to be able to sail right there on the arch ground

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where they typically sail that amazing popcorn and lemonade.

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So we did keep that exemption in there for the arch.

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As well as there was an aprevious ordnance

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There was language that had an exemption for like south of downtown, which mainly is a bush

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stadium. So we made sure that that exemption for bush stadium stayed in. They kind of owned

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the rights to those grounds and they already have food trips. That was an agreement that the food

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truck vendors were fine with because if the the cargo south of the event, they usually call the food

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trucks and invite the certain food trucks if they want kind of on their property. So we did keep in

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and the Worf District and then area south of downtown,

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which is the Cardinals.

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What you will see on page five is what we established

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the new vending commercial markets.

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So there will be an amendment that will change one of those,

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but we established several as well as at one of those markets.

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So what we did is we established a central West end market,

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a Cherokee commercial vending district market,

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a citywide parks vending market,

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which was already in the bill.

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We worked with the Park's Department from last year

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to say that the parks have the ability to maintain

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and direct if a food truck can go in a park.

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There's language later in the bill that there's a process

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that people would have to go to if they were like a food truck

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in the park.

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They would have to reach out to the park's department.

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It only can happen on Fridays due to limited staffing.

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We want to make sure that we're not pulling our park's

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apartment and stretching them thin.

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We also included a downtown commercial vending district.

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And I'll walk through the area.

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So the central West End, which there will be a amendment very soon,

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to probably strike that out, is a long dunk in av between the intersection

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of South Sarah and South Boyle after some conversations with

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Cortex, which will strike that out.

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They are ready.

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We have, I think, the Aldermen can speak to this little bit more, I think it's a common ground area, but they already have events where they have food trucks.

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In the areas, they're also looking to bring restaurants kind of a long dunk in, so they're already kind of participating in the process, so we didn't want to add another layer that probably will complicate that.

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In the Cherokee District, I worked with all the women of the 7th, and I know she worked with the

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Sid, where we created intersections at Cherokee between Jefferson Avenue and Compton,

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and Jefferson Avenue in the curb lines of Cherokee Street at the first alleys located north

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and south of the block. So basically when you travel down, Cherokee, we're looking at streets like Iowa,

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Nebraska, and those streets are very unique where they are very close to residential.

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So we put language in there that said very close to the alleyway.

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So we have worked with the seeds and all the women to be very clear where they cannot go

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beyond the alley because beyond the alley is where you kind of get into the residential.

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And the downtown commercial market we're looking at the public right away among market

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between the intersection, the South, Aft Street, and South, 16th Street.

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So they would be located up and down market from Aft to 16th.

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One of the things that has been talked about is I talked to people that work downtown

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is there's not a lot of food options for people that you know work downtown

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and you know we have Bobby who's out on the corner who sells amazing food

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but there's not a lot of options for people to get food kind of during those work hours.

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Another market that we're adding is the Downtown West Commercial Vending Market, which will be right outside of the intersection on Olive and 18th Street and 19th Street right near the police station and conversations with MLS soccer.

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They was in agreement with being able to add this location so as people leave the soccer game that they could be able to go to a food truck.

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And we also added a location at North Leppingwell in Permuda, right?

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That was one of the suggestions from the Food Truck Association's right outside of

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World's Fargo, Wales Fargo.

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They used to have a lot of food truck options out there, but they kind of stopped.

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So we're adding that back in.

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One of the, another location that we're adding is a grants and a commercial vending district

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with talking with grants and our arts.

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They was in support of this location. It's kind of right outside of Sophie's

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Barth and that is located right at Josephine

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So this new location would be a long Washington between Compton and Josephine again

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There's not a lot of food options there typically if you go to Sophie's there is a food truck that pull up there

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Just the way that it's written, you know, probably you shouldn't be there

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So we just want to clarify it to make sure that they have the right to be there and to give that food option to them

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Again, we talked with the Grand Center and they was in very support of making sure that there's more food option in the Grand Center as you get to page 9 of the bill

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This is where we talk about

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Give me a second

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Actually page 11 of the bill is where there's language that already talks about sidewalk and vehicle vendors

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I want to be very clear. We did not touch anything when it comes to sidewalk vendors again in the code

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When you look at food trucks and sidewalk vendors, they're kind of all into one.

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We did not want to touch sidewalk vendors.

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I was never the go when we worked on the legislation last year,

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and also this year is to touch the sidewalk vendors,

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but to start with the food truck.

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Hopefully when we come back around and ultimately do a huge cleanup of the code,

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because it's all in one, that we would be able to touch the sidewalk vendors.

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But we did add on page 11, online five,

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that these designated commercial vending markets that are established

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in the previous section of the mobile food truck should not be applied to the sidewalk license

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vendor. So basically we're just keeping those separate. We're keeping the food truck

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and the sidewalk vendors separate all licensees from the sidewalk vendors currently have to

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go through the streets department which they already currently do and any sidewalk vending

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operate operating prior to this passage of the ordinance will still be able to operate in

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current form so we didn't want to pass this bill and then make it even more confusing for the

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sidewalk vendors who want to be very clear this was only about our food trucks. On the next

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page this was just an addition that the streets department thought would be important is when we talk

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about insurance that also there must be on their insurance they must list it with the city of St. Louis.

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Right below that again in our code and originally the bill said sidewalk and vehicle vendors shall

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only be permitted to operate from 6 a.m. to 11 p.m.

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Since we are changing the operating hours of food trucks,

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we end up striking that out we created a new a and b.

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The a is for the businesses that our sidewalk vendors will keep in the

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mad 6 a.m. to 11 a.m. which is in the current ordinance,

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and we're extending the hours for food trucks from 6 a.m. to 1 p.m.

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further down on that page and section on page 14,

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line 15, we talk about O, which basically the Street Department shall maintain all applications

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of license vendors and shall publicly post those on the website so that people can know

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exactly who are the license food trucks that are allowed to be in those areas. In section

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our line 21 on page 14, at 8.108A, we created this new mobile food vending permit display, which

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which ultimately will display a permit number on each food truck vehicle so that people

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can be able to identify what the food truck is and who the food truck is and we talk

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with the street department. They are in full support to be able to kind of create this new

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platter that will now be displayed on each food truck. They shall have a decal that is no less than

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6 inches in diameter and 6 inches of kind of the square footage on all sides.

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These must be displayed on the outside of the food truck.

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The streets department will work with the food trucks to create these new plackers so

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that these decals can be scanable and also it will be a link that will go to the city

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public database to know if this food truck is actually a food truck that is licensed

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with the city of St. Louis.

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When we get to page 17 of 21, we struck out a lot of language that was in the O-Bio and we just added again the cleanup between

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vehicle and mobile food truck and just added all vehicle vendors must comply with this display

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display requirement of the section that is above which is talking about the permit or the decal that has to go on the food truck

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that the streets department is now in favor of doing.

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Well, we get to a lot of strikeouts here from the O1 on page 21.

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We did at a complaint in violation kind of process so that people that have issues with

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either food trucks that are not operating in good faith or food trucks that are

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Operating out of the hours of operations can have a process to be able to file a complaint with C.S.B.

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And we did put like a process of how many complaints will lead up to potentially a suspension

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and violations against the food truck and even potential revocation of their food truck license up to one year,

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which is right below that any allegations will be investigated, so it does give kind of due process

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just because somebody file a complaint with a food truck.

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It will be investigated by the street department.

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If three legitimate violations are actually found to be

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deemable, the food truck permit shall be suspended just for two weeks.

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And we'll work with the street department to make sure whatever

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actions is correct it.

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If five violations are determined or that actually exists,

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then the food truck permit will be revoked for a one-year process.

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Again, we wanted to add some kind of accountability in there to make sure

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that we know a lot of our food trucks are operating and get standing, but if there is a

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complaint of a food truck that there's a complaint process, and on the very last page page

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21 of 21, we added that we will review this legislation within one year. The go is to continue

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to keep all the stakeholders at the table to make sure where these vending areas are that

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that things are going fine, that there's no issues,

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and then review it if we need to remove

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maybe certain vending zones, or hopefully,

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some Alder say, hey, this is a great piece of legislation

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and we would like to add some vending zones

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with that hour area.

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So we will have a one year review from the board of Alderman

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that I'm personally committed to,

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and I know I've talked with everybody who's at the kind of work

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in group that will review this legislation in a year

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to follow back up to see what needs to be cleaned up

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what needs to be improved on this legislation.

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But again, the goal of it is to ultimately,

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since this is a red tape committee,

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cut a lot of red tape that our food trucks

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are currently going through so that they could be able

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to operate in more areas, but being very clear

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where those areas that they can operate in

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so that not only is it clear for the food truck operators,

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but it's also clear for people in the city

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where food trucks can and cannot be.

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If there is a special event,

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This does, there is exemptions where, you know, if there's a event downtown where they close off the street and they want to have food trucks

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This is not stop them or any other neighborhood from being able to have a food truck at a special event.

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There is language in there that also separates food trucks, a certain amount of feet from brick and mortar. There will be an amendment that will be coming that increase that distance that we worked with the restaurant association to move it from 150 feet to 200 feet.

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However, all these areas where we are looking at having these food truck markets are far enough

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away from restaurants, as well as we talked with individuals in the areas to make sure

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that it is okay for these food trucks to be at the certain locations.

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So before we go into questions, Madam Chair, if we want to maybe adopt the amendments,

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then we can have like the full bill in front of us to walk through any questions that committee

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members may have. I think that is a great idea, Alderman. Let's start with amendment number

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one to board bill number one 52. I see Alderman Jamie Cox entry has proposed this.

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So if Alderman Cox entry wants to make a motion to adopt and if someone else seconds that we can

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have discussion of that. Thank you Madam Chairwoman. Yes, I would like to move to adopt

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amendment one to board bill 152 second. So moved by the all the one from the eighth

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word seconded by the Alderman from the ninth word discussion on this amendment

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Alderman Cox entry you are recognized. Thank you madam chairwoman. Yes amendment one is

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specifically designed to add sous lard onto the list of neighborhoods and areas that are included

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in this board bill. The reason that we felt it was necessary to add sous lard similar to a lot of

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The other areas that Alderman Aldrich designated, there is a lot of activity, foot traffic,

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an interest in the two-lard community as well.

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And as the intention of this bill is to make sure that we're clarifying where food trucks

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are and aren't allowed to operate, we felt it was necessary given that a two-lard would

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be a very attractive neighborhood where some food trucks may want to consider operations

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to have a clear designated place for them to operate as well.

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already in the section of the code to Lard Market was discussed and carved out and my amendment

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doesn't necessarily restrict any operations for vendors inside of the Soolard Market footprint.

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Rather, it would allow a small stretch of Soolard outside of the market area for food vendors

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to park there. This area, as discussed with the Soolard Restoration Group and Soolard Business

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district association meets the similar descriptions as

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Alderman Aldrich described with other areas where we're not near any

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high residential areas so we're not wanting food trucks to park right

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outside of houses or in key neighborhoods rather this areas are

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ready and active commercial strip where we do have restaurant activity

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in tourist activity but again this stretch is away from the main restaurant

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commercial stretch. And so we would be separating the food trucks out so that they are not

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parking directly in front of restaurant and brick and mortar establishment. So again, the small

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stretch of Lafayette Avenue is away from residential activity. It's far away from existing brick and mortar

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restaurants. And it's on the other side of the park from the Sealard market itself. So we thought this was

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probably the best place to designate for food trucks and Sealard and that Sealard would be a good

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community to add to this list of already good communities.

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Thank you, Alderman and any other discussion on this amendment?

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Alderman, Aldrich.

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Thank you.

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I'll just add and I appreciate the Alderman for mentioning that there is the carve out

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that was already in the language for the Sular market.

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We know that people pay to, you know, vend at the Sular market.

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So without creating more competition, I do appreciate and competitions not bad.

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But I appreciate the all the women from the 8th with working with her neighborhood to try to identify areas that would be as close to a bit option where there's lack of food, but in the language that there is or in the bill, there's already in a carve out for a solar market as well. So I appreciate flagging that.

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Okay, any further discussion?

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Okay, it's been moved by the Alderman from the 8th second in by the Alderman from the 9th to adopt amendment number one to board bill 152.

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committee substitute. All in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries.

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We have adopted amendment number one to board bill 152 committee.

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Looks like amendment number two is Alderman Aldrich. So he'd like to make amendment to adopt amendment number two.

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Board bill 152 committee sub as amended continue.

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Thank you, madam.

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Chairwoman, members of the committee's amendment number 2, please make a motion first.

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Okay, I can't make a motion to adopt amendment number 2 to Board Bill 152, committee substitute as amended.

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Second, been moved by the Alderman from the 14 seconded by the Alderman from the 6th Alderman from the 14th, please proceed.

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Thank you, Madam Chairwoman, amendment number 2, on page 3, on page 3, what we talked about all the vending districts, what we're doing is we're striking out the central west side.

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and Vending District, and then since we adopted a amendment number one that creates

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Zoolar, we just correctly put them in alphabetical order, where now we will have

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Cherokee, Vending District, the Citywide, Vending District, the Downtown, Commercial

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Vending District, Downtown, West Commercial, Vending District, the Grand Center, Commercial

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Vending District, and then Addigan, Aldoam and from the 8th Zoolar, Vending District, but within

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conversations of people in cortex, we felt that it may make sense to strike that went out because

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there's already food truck activity where they do invite food trucks to come within that area.

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So we're striking out the central West End, vending district, and then just re-affirmitizing

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the rest of the districts as well as one that's added by the Aldoam and from the eighth.

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Okay, and is this on page five or page three?

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You actually write it is actually on page five.

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Okay.

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Madam Clerk, can you please note that in the amendment?

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It's beginning on page five.

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Yes, so amendment number two says beginning on page

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Making sure that it's page five.

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Not page three.

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Correct, page five.

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Thank you for that check out the woman.

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Yes, you're welcome.

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Let me just make sure.

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Okay, any further discussion on

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Amendment number two.

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Seeing nine, we have a motion to adopt a amendment number two to board bill 152 committee substitute as amended and the Alderman from the 14th, a second from the Alderman from the 6th. All in favor, signify by saying aye.

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Any post.

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Motion carries you adopted amendment number two to board bill number 152 may substitute as amended with that change from page three to page five.

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Okay, Alderman, Aldridge, you are recognized at first to make the amendment, amendment

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number three, if you'd like to make that amendment.

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Motion.

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I could ask.

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I'd like to make a motion that we adopt.

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Amendment number three to board bill 152 committee sets.

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Second.

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So I can't.

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So I moved by the Alderman from the 14 seconded by the Alderman from the six to adopt

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amendment number three to board bill number 152 as amended Alderman Alder G. May 15.

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Thank you, Madam Chair. Well, then we did get the page right this time at the line.

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This was one of the requests from the restaurant association and negotiating and get faith.

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So online 12 where we talk about and this was already language that was currently in our code

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where it says no license vendor shall can vend their business within 150 feet.

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we're changing that from 150 feet to 200 feet again, it was negotiated with the restaurant association to

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just make sure that there's that kind of protection between brick and borders of food truck,

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even though the distance that we're looking at will not be within the kind of that range of those

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restaurants. So that is amendment number three. Okay, any further discussion?

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It's been moved by

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Alderman from the 14th seconded by the Alderman from the six to adopt amendment number

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three to Board Bill 152 Community Substitute as amended. All those in favor signify by saying aye.

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Aye. Any opposed?

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Motion carries. We've adopted amendment number one two and three to

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Board Bill 152 Community Substitute as amended. Alderman Aldridge you may proceed.

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Thank you. I will take questions unless if we want to go to like I know people here to speak so.

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Great, thank you so much. I will do public comment before we move forward with members of the committee.

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So if you are here to speak on this, make sure you've signed in with the clerk on the table up there.

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Once you've done so, we'll move to everyone, sworn in at the same time, and every speaker will be allowed three minutes to speak.

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We'll just give people one minute to get signed up if they'd like to and then we'll move forward.

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Okay, Madam Clerk, you have people signed up?

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We have three people signed up.

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Wonderful, everyone, anyone online as well?

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No, just in the chambers.

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Okay.

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Well if you are online and want to speak, make sure you raise your hand to let the clerk know.

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But first of all, we'll start with the people who are in the room if you do plan on testifying.

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Can you please raise your right hand?

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Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

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Great.

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All right, Madam Clerk, please have the first speaker called to the podium.

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Mr. James Dwyer, in opposition, but undecided.

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Thank you, Mr. Dwyer.

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Please proceed.

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Okay.

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First of all, I want to say that I applaud all the men, all rich.

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Thank you.

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Oh, thank you.

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I'm not applaud your twice.

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So, I really appreciate the process that we have been engaged in now for, well since early 2024, so it's two years that we've been engaged in this effort to help shape a bill that works for all affected parties, and I think we have made phenomenal progress. I don't think we're there yet, and that's why I'm here to testify today.

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So, the first matter I want to bring to your attention, and I know I've only got three minutes, but I want to bring a procedural matter, a question to your attention, and that has to do with Board of Alderman rule 642, which requires that

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proposed legislation be circulated by a certain time 24 hours in advance of a

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committee hearing. I'm not certain of this but my understanding is that that rule was

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not conformed with or to yesterday.

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And therefore, I think there is a procedural question about whether the outcome of this proceeding today will have standing. I just want to get that on the record.

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So, into my substantive comments, Madam Chair, members of the committee, you may recall that an earlier version of this proposed legislation was first introduced as Board Bill 14 in April 2024, with the intention of creating the city wide.

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than in District.

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To their credit, a working group was convened by Alderman Aldridge and Wader St. Louis

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Inc. with the objective of addressing concerns, reconciling differences, and achieving

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consensus on details of that proposal.

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Although substantial progress was made, critical matters remained unresolved, and Board of

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Bill 14 was withdrawn from consideration in January 2025.

444
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With the understanding that the working group would reconvene to complete its mission, regrettably, no further action occurred over the following 12 months, until the working group was reconvened by all the menaltage four weeks ago on February 18.

445
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The group has met five times since then, most recently, last Thursday, March 12th.

446
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:55,980
As before, substantial progress has been made, including a transformational switch from

447
00:38:55,980 --> 00:39:03,140
statewide to a concept of identifying defined zones as just described by the Olderman.

448
00:39:03,460 --> 00:39:07,500
In multiple locations, in which food trucks would be authorized to operate.

449
00:39:07,500 --> 00:39:13,720
Multiple zones were proposed, each of which required review and reaction by the affected

450
00:39:15,340 --> 00:39:20,480
neighbourhoods. Meanwhile, several critical issues remained up-to-off, including mandatory

451
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:25,820
closing time, distance from established brick and mortar businesses, rules and regulations

452
00:39:25,820 --> 00:39:29,440
and a process for filing and adjudication of whites.

453
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,120
When the latest version of Board

454
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Bill 152, and I wrote this before the three amendments introduced.

455
00:39:38,260 --> 00:39:43,520
With generated this week, it contains sweeping last-minute provisions regarding sidewalk

456
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:44,080
vending.

457
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:48,740
A category that was not subject to meaningful consideration by the working group.

458
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:54,040
Instead, it was understood and agreed that either current provisions regarding sidewalk

459
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:58,040
vending would remain unchanged from existing legislation.

460
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:04,320
and would be dealt with separately at a later date, or alternatively, all references to sidewalk

461
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,500
funding would be removed from Board Bill 1.

462
00:40:07,740 --> 00:40:13,860
Regrettably, the proposed legislation presented for your consideration today contains problematic

463
00:40:13,860 --> 00:40:18,220
provisions that have not been reviewed or discussed in the working group.

464
00:40:19,140 --> 00:40:24,720
Bottom line, in its present form, this legislation is not ready for consideration by the

465
00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:31,680
of Alderman. Important work remains to be done. There is no compelling reason to rush this

466
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:37,760
still incomplete legislation out of committee today. Nor is there any reason why the working group

467
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:43,540
cannot continue its work until the consensus has achieved and legislation can be reintroduced

468
00:40:43,540 --> 00:40:52,000
early in the upcoming 2026-27 session. So I urge you not to pass the bill out of committee today.

469
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,180
Thank you.

470
00:40:55,180 --> 00:40:56,440
Thank you, Mr. Dwyer.

471
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:57,900
Any questions from Mr. Dwyer?

472
00:40:58,280 --> 00:40:58,840
Members, the committee?

473
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:01,620
All there been from the 9th year, recognize.

474
00:41:02,820 --> 00:41:04,600
Thank you, Mr. Dwyer. It's always good to see you.

475
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,880
If you could say up here, might have some questions for you.

476
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:08,200
I don't have a question for you.

477
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,420
I just wanted to address the first point you made about the timeline.

478
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:15,880
We did suspend the rules of the beginning of the meeting in order to accept the committee's substitute.

479
00:41:16,340 --> 00:41:19,220
You are right. There is typically a requirement of a

480
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a period where the bill has to be submitted before the meeting, but we did suspend that

481
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:32,500
rule by vote today. So that point is addressed, but I do hear your concern about that,

482
00:41:33,020 --> 00:41:38,160
and that is something I plan on addressing in a bit about just the timeline. This has

483
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:43,020
been on, sorry. I do appreciate your time line issue for us. It's just a matter of adequate time

484
00:41:43,020 --> 00:41:48,140
to do our work properly. Mr. Dryer, for the record, can you say you've been part of the working group

485
00:41:48,140 --> 00:41:54,740
been you've been part of the working group. Okay. I was invited to participate on day one and I

486
00:41:54,740 --> 00:42:01,600
have been engaged. Oh, I'm sorry. Yes, and I have been engaged continuously from that point

487
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:07,640
forward as have a dozen other people. Okay. Thank you, sir. Okay. Madam Quirk, if you can call the next speaker.

488
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:09,640
Brian Scott.

489
00:42:13,750 --> 00:42:17,170
Mr Scott, thank you for being here. Just make sure to say your full name for the record.

490
00:42:17,170 --> 00:42:26,090
Brian Scott. Okay, and are you a resident of the city of St. Louis? I am born and raised in St. Louis and a business.

491
00:42:26,810 --> 00:42:33,390
Wonderful. Please proceed. Thank you. Madam Chairwoman Alderman board.

492
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:46,570
Appreciate you convening this today. I want to give special thanks to Alderman Aldrich who has really taken up this

493
00:42:48,750 --> 00:42:56,490
This monumental task of benefiting the St. Louis city.

494
00:42:57,230 --> 00:42:59,930
And this is what this is really about.

495
00:43:01,710 --> 00:43:04,150
I am a food truck owner.

496
00:43:04,650 --> 00:43:07,370
I am a restaurant owner as well.

497
00:43:07,490 --> 00:43:10,590
I've had two restaurants in the city of St. Louis

498
00:43:10,590 --> 00:43:18,090
And I own a full truck, doggy max, full truck, and I've been operating for eight years now.

499
00:43:18,930 --> 00:43:24,690
And as I was a born and raised in North St. Louis, you glint in St. Louis Avenue.

500
00:43:26,210 --> 00:43:32,090
So I've been living in the city of St. Louis for the book of my life.

501
00:43:32,090 --> 00:43:34,230
In that time,

502
00:43:36,990 --> 00:43:59,450
as small business owners, as a small business owner, as a black small business owner, in St. Louis, it is difficult to break in to the American dream, is difficult to break into the chance to build something from nothing.

503
00:44:00,450 --> 00:44:03,450
Food trucks are a way to do that.

504
00:44:04,810 --> 00:44:09,250
You, I've owned a restaurant's and food trucks.

505
00:44:11,770 --> 00:44:15,410
There are equal expenses in both,

506
00:44:15,630 --> 00:44:24,750
but to get into the food truck business is slightly easier to get into the restaurant business

507
00:44:24,750 --> 00:44:28,530
because of the mobility sake.

508
00:44:29,650 --> 00:44:31,890
And that's what we're talking about here.

509
00:44:31,970 --> 00:44:34,830
And that's what this bill is really putting together.

510
00:44:34,850 --> 00:44:38,430
It's allowing these mobile food truck owners

511
00:44:38,430 --> 00:44:41,270
who are just getting started to really

512
00:44:41,270 --> 00:44:43,810
make the best out of this business

513
00:44:43,810 --> 00:44:47,370
and grow and to be able to expand

514
00:44:47,370 --> 00:44:49,630
if they want into a brick and mortar.

515
00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:55,830
And it's really important to have places to live in.

516
00:44:56,250 --> 00:44:59,550
And the last eight years that I've all in a food truck.

517
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:10,280
There are places on the map to be able to win, but they are very limited and they are not necessarily what the map says they are.

518
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:22,320
So this bill is the start. I agree with my friend Jim Dwyer. This is not the end. This is just the beginning of something that's going to transform the St. Louis community.

519
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:32,320
And we definitely want to lay this groundwork so that in a year we can come back and

520
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:38,680
read dress and hopefully build once this is a success.

521
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:47,260
Mr. Dwyer did, I want to make sure before my time runs out that I, that I, he said,

522
00:45:47,260 --> 00:45:54,600
But there's no compelling reason to pass this bill now, I disagree vehemently.

523
00:45:55,140 --> 00:46:03,160
The compelling reason is that food truck owners are closing by the dozens every single year.

524
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:09,300
And it's because we don't have places to vent primarily.

525
00:46:11,460 --> 00:46:15,380
So, I disagree that there's not a compelling reason.

526
00:46:15,660 --> 00:46:25,620
I think for the sake of tax paying business owners in the city of St. Louis, that that is the most compelling reason to get this start it now.

527
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,060
Thank you so much for your comments. Any questions?

528
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:30,420
All right, saying none.

529
00:46:30,500 --> 00:46:32,200
Thank you, Sarah. I appreciate you being here today.

530
00:46:32,380 --> 00:46:33,300
Thank you.

531
00:46:34,340 --> 00:46:35,300
Bill Gabel

532
00:46:38,470 --> 00:46:39,910
and support.

533
00:46:42,170 --> 00:46:42,730
Thank you, sir.

534
00:46:42,870 --> 00:46:46,170
Just make sure to say your full name for the record and your city resident, which

535
00:46:46,170 --> 00:46:48,570
Ward or was a son or a BJB in here.

536
00:46:49,290 --> 00:46:52,470
I'm Billy Cumel and I'm not a city resident.

537
00:46:53,270 --> 00:46:53,490
Okay.

538
00:46:53,670 --> 00:46:54,150
Please proceed.

539
00:46:56,830 --> 00:47:00,690
I'm here today just to say thank you to Alderman Aldridge.

540
00:47:01,050 --> 00:47:04,570
He's done a great job in carrying this bill forward.

541
00:47:04,570 --> 00:47:13,610
forming a red tape committee, we work very well together, and looking forward to continuing

542
00:47:13,610 --> 00:47:14,570
that work.

543
00:47:15,430 --> 00:47:20,570
The Restaurant Association is in support of the Food Truck Bill.

544
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:28,810
We believe that food trucks present an opportunity of an entrepreneurialism.

545
00:47:28,810 --> 00:47:34,110
We think that it addresses some of the growing issues that we have in St. Louis.

546
00:47:34,110 --> 00:47:44,590
I live not far from here but not in St. Louis and you know where we've you know we're as an industry we're kind of falling on some tough times

547
00:47:44,590 --> 00:47:51,150
kind of post-COVID increased cost in a lot of ways we have a lot of our restaurants that are leaving.

548
00:47:51,770 --> 00:47:58,410
We believe that food trucks are a big part of that community and help fill those some of those.

549
00:47:58,410 --> 00:48:06,450
I don't really like to use the term food desert because we're not there yet, but thinking ahead we could be that.

550
00:48:07,010 --> 00:48:11,310
And so I also want to say thanks to the committee.

551
00:48:12,090 --> 00:48:17,610
We had originally proposed that we moved them.

552
00:48:17,790 --> 00:48:22,070
The food trucks 300 feet away from a brick and mortar with written permission.

553
00:48:22,650 --> 00:48:29,830
In the spirit of compromise, the Alderman asked me to take back to my membership and pull

554
00:48:29,830 --> 00:48:32,730
them in the spirit of compromise.

555
00:48:33,030 --> 00:48:38,410
They were willing to bring that number down to 200 feet to help move this forward.

556
00:48:39,390 --> 00:48:45,370
And we are also as an association in favor of the districts, the markets.

557
00:48:45,590 --> 00:48:51,210
We think that that's a good opportunity to help build the community in St. Louis and help

558
00:48:51,210 --> 00:48:57,150
the food trucks forward. Thank you, sir. How many restaurants do you represent in the city of St. Louis?

559
00:48:57,710 --> 00:49:05,350
In St. Louis, 714. Wow, okay. statewide. We are the oldest restaurant association in the United States.

560
00:49:05,830 --> 00:49:11,410
statewide. We have 12,000 plus food establishments, many of them, which are food trucks.

561
00:49:12,070 --> 00:49:15,090
Many of them are brick and mortar, but also have food trucks.

562
00:49:16,190 --> 00:49:18,810
Thank you. Any other questions and members of the committee?

563
00:49:19,410 --> 00:49:25,370
Other than the sex you recognized, thank you I just want to clarify 714 within the city of St. Louis.

564
00:49:26,550 --> 00:49:26,790
Yes.

565
00:49:28,190 --> 00:49:28,910
Thank you.

566
00:49:30,390 --> 00:49:31,510
715, 714.

567
00:49:31,810 --> 00:49:33,810
I'm sorry, licensed establishments.

568
00:49:34,870 --> 00:49:38,430
So some of them are food trucks that are domiciled in St. Louis.

569
00:49:38,710 --> 00:49:45,470
Some of them are sometimes street walk street side vendors, restaurants, brick and mortars.

570
00:49:45,470 --> 00:49:50,830
So it's kind of a broad variety there, but seven or 14 licensed establishments

571
00:49:52,030 --> 00:49:57,110
Great. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Any other questions to members of the committee?

572
00:49:59,590 --> 00:50:03,490
Thank you. Appreciate you being here. Thank you very much for your service. Of course

573
00:50:03,490 --> 00:50:08,970
All right, all of them in all judge if you have any comments and then we'll go through members of the committee for questions

574
00:50:09,690 --> 00:50:14,790
Yes, I want to thank each person that was actually up here have been part of the working group

575
00:50:14,790 --> 00:50:19,110
I think there's been two years now or since last year.

576
00:50:19,870 --> 00:50:28,950
I do hear Mr. Jim's concern of, you know, with dealing with groups with all different interests.

577
00:50:29,670 --> 00:50:32,850
Just like at the board of all, we never get like a hundred percent agreement.

578
00:50:33,530 --> 00:50:37,130
I will say, you know, this board bill was filed at the last day of session.

579
00:50:37,330 --> 00:50:43,730
We actually out this committee substitute to all working group members last week as well as every working group member

580
00:50:43,730 --> 00:50:49,650
that attended that meeting that we had Thursday was able to see before we put it in

581
00:50:49,650 --> 00:50:55,550
bill format, the draft of what the committee saw was. So everything that is in the

582
00:50:55,550 --> 00:51:01,510
committee saw was visible to all members. There, you know, I hear the sidewalk. We're not

583
00:51:01,510 --> 00:51:06,050
touching anything with sidewalks. I don't know if maybe that's a confusion. There is

584
00:51:06,050 --> 00:51:10,550
language. I think on page 11

585
00:51:17,720 --> 00:51:18,240
second

586
00:51:24,570 --> 00:51:30,010
page 11 that mentions, and this just came from the

587
00:51:30,010 --> 00:51:33,090
street department that mentioned sidewalk vendors. I don't know if that's maybe where Mr.

588
00:51:33,150 --> 00:51:39,870
Jam is getting confused. But that language again is just saying that the sidewalk language

589
00:51:39,870 --> 00:51:44,550
for sidewalk vendors because when you look at the chapter, they talk about food trucks and

590
00:51:44,550 --> 00:51:49,350
sidewalks all in the chapter, which is ultimately confusing because they also have different

591
00:51:49,350 --> 00:51:54,010
rules and regulations as well as operating hours that we will need to clean up, but we just

592
00:51:54,010 --> 00:52:01,670
want to make very clear that this does not pertain to the sidewalks. And I hear this suspension

593
00:52:01,670 --> 00:52:07,270
of the rules that was because of the committee substitute. I think it's like 30 something hours per

594
00:52:07,270 --> 00:52:12,910
our rules, but it's something I would say that's first before even committee members seen it. I

595
00:52:12,910 --> 00:52:17,670
made sure that the working group seen it. And I know it's not in common. I think Aldoam and the

596
00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:23,630
committee we suspended a committee substitute for the ARPA bill, which myself, you, Alden

597
00:52:23,630 --> 00:52:29,030
Browning, Sanjay, Clark Hubbard, and Shane Alvo before to suspend that rule to introduce

598
00:52:29,030 --> 00:52:29,970
that ARPA bill.

599
00:52:30,050 --> 00:52:38,890
As you know, a lot of changes happen, as you talk to all the people and outside of talking to all the people was also meeting with stakeholders to try to get everyone.

600
00:52:39,510 --> 00:52:52,230
I think it's close to this possible, and I feel really good about where we are, especially going from the citywide language and really tailoring it to descriptive areas and working with those orders to see if it works with them. So, open up for any questions.

601
00:52:52,590 --> 00:52:56,150
I really appreciate all those comments. We'll move through the committee in order of seeing.

602
00:52:56,150 --> 00:52:58,810
40, starting with Aldermen, Narayan.

603
00:53:00,130 --> 00:53:01,910
No questions, thank you.

604
00:53:02,070 --> 00:53:03,650
Thank you, Aldermen Velasquez.

605
00:53:07,610 --> 00:53:09,310
Can you just talk through a little bit of the process

606
00:53:09,310 --> 00:53:12,010
of how you or how the bill ended up

607
00:53:12,010 --> 00:53:14,010
with those areas?

608
00:53:15,170 --> 00:53:17,710
Yeah, so originally the bill before we adopted

609
00:53:17,710 --> 00:53:19,490
the capacity of the two, I think,

610
00:53:19,650 --> 00:53:24,630
for Bill 14 as Mr. Jim or Dwyer had mentioned.

611
00:53:25,150 --> 00:53:28,370
The previous ordinance talked about a city-wide approach

612
00:53:28,370 --> 00:53:35,450
Because the goal was like, how do we make it easier for food trucks to operate and one of the concerns that I heard from

613
00:53:36,030 --> 00:53:44,210
Not just Alders, but the restaurant community by making it city wide not taking into account of the brick and mortar

614
00:53:44,970 --> 00:53:52,290
Locations that are there. So one of the cool things I think that was a real huge change that came out of

615
00:53:52,290 --> 00:54:19,330
That came out of this piece of legislation is a create those areas. Some of them, you know, was individuals that was at the table of the working group. So having downtown myself represent downtown and all the women Jamie Cox Antwi represent downtown Mr. Page and Mr. Metal Larry was at the working group. So we was like downtown would make sense. Mr. Jim was representing the Central Weston. So we wanted to include this question.

616
00:54:21,330 --> 00:54:26,710
Grand Center was a location that one of the stakeholders had brought up in the working group

617
00:54:26,710 --> 00:54:31,370
and we have reached out to the Grand Center group to make sure that it worked with them.

618
00:54:31,830 --> 00:54:36,590
Outside of, at least for the Central West End, I know it may be a tight turnaround but I did

619
00:54:36,590 --> 00:54:39,670
have conversations with all the men on the floor.

620
00:54:39,850 --> 00:54:42,170
If this worked, I talked with you all the women in the last class.

621
00:54:42,370 --> 00:54:46,530
If there was any areas that were working for your area, I reached out to all the women's

622
00:54:46,530 --> 00:54:50,790
to see if there's areas and the first award before we get to hearing that would work.

623
00:54:51,370 --> 00:54:55,150
All the women from the seventh, which he indicated that she would love to have a monchirarchy

624
00:54:55,150 --> 00:54:55,410
street.

625
00:54:55,950 --> 00:55:02,330
So outside of reach and to stay coders, I also reached out to every older that would potentially

626
00:55:02,330 --> 00:55:06,170
be impacted by it by just saying, hey, would you like to have an area?

627
00:55:06,310 --> 00:55:10,250
You know, as I talked to an aldman from the fifth, he said he wanted to keep the hill out of it.

628
00:55:10,430 --> 00:55:16,370
So I reached out to colleagues as well as took input from the people that was at the working

629
00:55:17,730 --> 00:55:45,890
Right. Thank you. And then my last question, I know that part of the process, it has been kind of often times a little bit complicated process for vendors. So with this new process and the decals, how are you feeling, how streets feeling about being able to move some of those, you know, they have obviously they have a lot of work to do too. So moving those quickly. So it's not caught up in, you know, the red tape that we're here trying to avoid.

630
00:55:46,370 --> 00:55:55,110
Yeah, so that was also one of the suggestions and not only came from a street department, but like a fruit truck association that they would love to be able to have these decals.

631
00:55:55,450 --> 00:56:10,010
So that one of the things that came out of a working group is how do we like that complaint process or that identify which food truck is what just in case if again, not trying to say that any food truck would be a bad actor.

632
00:56:10,010 --> 00:56:12,370
but if some are not following the rules of regulation,

633
00:56:12,970 --> 00:56:15,210
how to identify them outside of maybe their name,

634
00:56:15,390 --> 00:56:16,750
which may not be the name or their license.

635
00:56:17,370 --> 00:56:18,210
So the streets department,

636
00:56:18,490 --> 00:56:20,330
that was one of the things we asked Miss Sandy Hay,

637
00:56:20,350 --> 00:56:23,250
will this be a, like you say, more red tape,

638
00:56:23,910 --> 00:56:26,870
they take it back to the people that they work with

639
00:56:26,870 --> 00:56:28,590
and said this would be something that they can start

640
00:56:28,590 --> 00:56:29,050
to implement.

641
00:56:29,090 --> 00:56:32,030
They already have the list of already the license trucks.

642
00:56:32,410 --> 00:56:33,690
So they're looking at this legislation

643
00:56:33,690 --> 00:56:37,130
and seeing, as it moves, as they start to create those decals,

644
00:56:37,130 --> 00:56:42,310
Somebody from GSL who was at the table seeing this was done in another city

645
00:56:42,310 --> 00:56:49,210
So we're taking the model from the other city of the decow that they have to be able to implement here and the streets apartment feel pretty confident

646
00:56:49,210 --> 00:56:54,350
That this shouldn't be anything that would slow down the process in which cities that I can't remember

647
00:56:54,350 --> 00:57:01,090
I would have to ask that person. Okay. Thank you. No other questions. Thank you madam. Thank you.

648
00:57:01,090 --> 00:57:04,530
the moment we will move to Alderman Cox and 3.

649
00:57:08,750 --> 00:57:11,410
Thank you Madam Chairwoman. And thank you

650
00:57:11,410 --> 00:57:15,010
Alderman Alderman for bringing this bill to the fore. I know you and I have talked about this

651
00:57:15,010 --> 00:57:20,950
extensively. First as we do share downtown and I know a number of our stakeholders have been engaged

652
00:57:20,950 --> 00:57:26,030
both in your working group and also monitoring this bill very closely and I know it's taken quite a

653
00:57:26,030 --> 00:57:30,970
long time for it to get this point and I appreciate your persistence as I do think this is an

654
00:57:30,970 --> 00:57:37,030
extremely important thing for our city to get right and to do well to help benefit both existing

655
00:57:37,030 --> 00:57:40,890
businesses, aspiring businesses, and also the patrons right of all the different areas

656
00:57:40,890 --> 00:57:42,870
that would hopefully benefit from this.

657
00:57:44,010 --> 00:57:50,310
I appreciate you also being willing to add another one of my neighborhoods that are going

658
00:57:50,310 --> 00:57:53,390
to be impacted by this and appreciate the committee for adopting the amendment.

659
00:57:53,770 --> 00:57:58,810
My only question for you, as I think it'll be an interesting thing to talk about as I

660
00:57:58,810 --> 00:58:04,410
we continue to work on this legislation is the additional revision of this section that

661
00:58:04,410 --> 00:58:08,050
she meant to look the sidewalk vendors. I know you mentioned it was very important to you

662
00:58:08,050 --> 00:58:12,130
to make sure we distinguish between the food truck vendors and the sidewalk vendors and you spoke

663
00:58:13,850 --> 00:58:18,510
to revisit that section another time. So can you just explain that a little bit more?

664
00:58:18,770 --> 00:58:22,990
Yes ma'am, so the goal, even when we when the bill was originally filed, I think my first year

665
00:58:22,990 --> 00:58:29,090
didn't move it, and as we started to work on at last session, was just to address food trucks.

666
00:58:29,470 --> 00:58:35,050
But then what we noticed when you look at the code that talk about food trucks, it really

667
00:58:35,050 --> 00:58:40,050
has food trucks and sidewalks all mixed into one. There's different rules for food trucks and

668
00:58:40,050 --> 00:58:45,910
sidewalks because one's a vehicle, one's like a push car. There was different requirements of certain

669
00:58:45,910 --> 00:58:51,270
licensees because sidewalk vendors don't have to get like a certain stuff that vehicle,

670
00:58:51,270 --> 00:58:57,850
food truck individuals have to get so the goal was never to when we was doing the food truck

671
00:58:57,850 --> 00:59:02,930
last session to touch the sidewalks and I'll be real as things got a little bit more

672
00:59:02,930 --> 00:59:07,690
political and within our war with the sidewalk I really wanted to stay away from that

673
00:59:07,690 --> 00:59:15,150
until we have a kind of holistic approach of redoing that whole code and not jump into a

674
00:59:15,150 --> 00:59:19,770
fight that will look like we are supporting one of the other as more conversations

675
00:59:19,770 --> 00:59:25,210
are being worked out in our downtown area of what that sidewalk operation looks like.

676
00:59:25,670 --> 00:59:27,790
So it was always just to stay with food trucks.

677
00:59:28,350 --> 00:59:32,950
The challenge is when you do look in the code, you know, they reference food truck and

678
00:59:32,950 --> 00:59:35,730
sidewalk vendors, sometimes in the same sentence.

679
00:59:36,170 --> 00:59:41,330
So we want to just be very clear that language that I think talked about on page 11 to 13 that

680
00:59:41,330 --> 00:59:45,050
we added was just very clear that this does not pertain to sidewalk vendors.

681
00:59:45,050 --> 00:59:54,310
So there's nothing that we're doing in this legislation that addresses a sidewalk, only the food trucks, and the go is to hopefully come back and look at

682
00:59:54,310 --> 00:59:59,970
Licenses working with the license collector because she has brought up her concerns of just

683
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:10,140
The process that some food truck and sidewalk vendors have to go through and do a whole look at a revision of our food truck code to just make it more clear.

684
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:24,040
But licensing is a little different from the operation. So we didn't want to touch the licensee aspect and to we clear some of the red tape for the food truck to be able to operate, which the sidewalk vendors don't have the actual red tape.

685
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:30,700
And I think Miss Sandy said within the city, we only have actually like three sidewalk vendors that actually licensed with the city.

686
01:00:30,980 --> 01:00:31,740
Properly licensed.

687
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:34,700
No, if you see it at a festival, then pushing them down the street.

688
01:00:34,860 --> 01:00:36,780
You know, maybe to festival invited them.

689
01:00:37,020 --> 01:00:38,620
But we actually have three properly licensed.

690
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:45,820
So I want to stay away from the sidewalk and just continue to focus on what we originally was focused on with the food truck and kind of red tape for that.

691
01:00:46,020 --> 01:00:46,780
Okay, perfect.

692
01:00:46,900 --> 01:00:48,340
I think that clarity is really important.

693
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:51,360
So I appreciate you walking us through that and no further questions.

694
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:52,540
Thank you for your partnership.

695
01:00:52,540 --> 01:00:56,740
Thank you, Alderman, Vice Chair Browning.

696
01:00:58,630 --> 01:00:59,590
Thank you, Alderman Aldridge.

697
01:01:00,170 --> 01:01:04,050
And I know a lot of work has gone into this bill for quite some time.

698
01:01:04,130 --> 01:01:10,290
And I appreciate everyone who's given their time and effort into improving this bill to the working group and

699
01:01:10,290 --> 01:01:14,950
everyone else who is just, but their feedback into this.

700
01:01:15,110 --> 01:01:18,230
I have a few questions about the bill.

701
01:01:18,230 --> 01:01:25,810
I'll start with the Streets Department is in charge of permitting and investigating evaluations.

702
01:01:26,590 --> 01:01:34,630
Any reason why it's the Streets Department and not the health department, which usually would do inspections of our food establishments?

703
01:01:35,390 --> 01:01:44,190
So we continued on with the Streets Department because this was even though the health department does do like making sure if, you know,

704
01:01:44,190 --> 01:01:47,450
They got to get their food certification because they sell food.

705
01:01:47,490 --> 01:01:52,370
We stuck with the streets department because they have more ongoing conversations and interactions

706
01:01:52,370 --> 01:01:56,930
with the street vendors. So outside of the health department just certify them saying that

707
01:01:56,930 --> 01:02:01,930
their food is safe. A lot of times are from what I heard from the first and from the individuals

708
01:02:01,930 --> 01:02:06,070
who are actually doing it, they're in more communication with the streets department to make sure

709
01:02:06,070 --> 01:02:10,510
that they are aligned in the right location, make sure that they know where they're able to

710
01:02:10,510 --> 01:02:14,110
And there's more of a relationship already established

711
01:02:14,110 --> 01:02:15,450
between our streets department,

712
01:02:15,570 --> 01:02:17,430
which Miss Sandy works with our food trucks.

713
01:02:17,830 --> 01:02:21,530
I mean, she probably can tell you about 80% of everybody

714
01:02:21,530 --> 01:02:23,210
on that list just off the top of her head.

715
01:02:23,650 --> 01:02:26,770
And the food association works very close with the streets.

716
01:02:27,070 --> 01:02:28,950
So since that relationship was already there,

717
01:02:29,130 --> 01:02:30,410
we thought it would be smart to live

718
01:02:30,410 --> 01:02:32,310
in the street department instead of health department.

719
01:02:33,010 --> 01:02:36,650
So a street department currently processes these,

720
01:02:36,650 --> 01:02:38,410
I guess, permits right now.

721
01:02:38,410 --> 01:03:05,250
Yes, they process them, they do have to get a license from the license collector, they do have to get some from the health department so that they could be able to serve the food, they even have to go to the fire department to get a fire suppression, so I mean there's there's several different groups that touches food trucks, but they're more hands on with the streets department who they also have to get like a 500 license to be able to operate on our streets and then realize that they can't operate anywhere but in a select area.

722
01:03:05,250 --> 01:03:16,690
Okay, for the parks department, I noticed that there's some language in here about that food trucks can operate in city parks.

723
01:03:17,650 --> 01:03:28,290
Is that only parks with roads that go through them, like forest park, Toronto Ed, there's a few others, or would people be able to pull up on the street next to any park.

724
01:03:28,290 --> 01:03:31,430
So, the park's department language was already in there.

725
01:03:31,650 --> 01:03:44,180
Only thing we, they had language style park already, on the red line version, on page, on our view, on page 5, since Parks was mentioned already in the code.

726
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:51,560
We just end up putting that the city park of Vending Market Show, meaning any area maintained by the Parks Department of Recreation and Forestry.

727
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:58,900
So, they cannot, apparently, pull up to an in a park, so they can't just pull up in a foul and park, which have roads.

728
01:03:58,900 --> 01:04:01,600
unless they actually coordinate with the streets department.

729
01:04:02,820 --> 01:04:06,540
So the current ordinance already mentioned like Parks,

730
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:25,460
but it wasn't clear, so we just wanted to find Parks and Commissioner Hageman was at our working group last year and said that if a food truck wanted to vending a park that they would have to reach out to the park but they would have to go to the park to do that but we did not change anything besides just defining what Parks meant with city parks.

731
01:04:25,460 --> 01:04:32,240
So, the Parks Department would still have authority to dictate what happens in each park.

732
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:32,500
Correct.

733
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:35,360
So, no different than that.

734
01:04:35,460 --> 01:04:39,640
So, Fairgrounds and other things would still be off limits in what Parks Department says.

735
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:44,800
So, only park that is not off limits is Tower Grove because they're like a private park,

736
01:04:44,940 --> 01:04:49,480
may take them by the city, but that would be the only park or maybe Forest Park because we don't own that.

737
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:55,120
But any citywide park is not a vending area unless they work with a Parks Department.

738
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:59,400
or if they're having a special event in that park and get the green light on their special event

739
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:01,020
application to be able to end there.

740
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:04,860
Yeah, I think my concern is really geared around noise.

741
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:11,860
Food trucks often operate generators that produce quite a lot of noise and so if they're

742
01:05:11,860 --> 01:05:18,360
rolling up in a park, I mean, I know I enjoy Forest Park, which we do own Forest Park and

743
01:05:18,860 --> 01:05:25,100
I would not want Jefferson Lake to suddenly have four food trucks next to it running

744
01:05:25,100 --> 01:05:28,460
generators when people are out there to kind of enjoy nature.

745
01:05:29,060 --> 01:05:33,740
Yeah, I think, yeah, I mean, as you know, I think Forest Park is what ran by Forest Park Foundation,

746
01:05:34,020 --> 01:05:37,320
so like we can't public private partnership with the city on city.

747
01:05:37,340 --> 01:05:43,800
Yeah, so we're not, uh, we're not, I'll say we're not allowing food trucks and Forest Park or

748
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:49,440
Tower Go Park or any park outside of Tower Go Park already have agreement with the city, but this

749
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:55,220
not allow for food trucks to pull up in the parks. It's not in the ordinance. And, you know,

750
01:05:55,220 --> 01:06:00,660
I would suggest maybe talking to Mr. Scott, who's a president of the Food Truck Association,

751
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:05,600
you know, some do have generators, but a lot of the trucks are also moving away from generators.

752
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:12,940
I think that's a little bit of a, I wouldn't say a myth, but that all food trucks make a bunch of

753
01:06:12,940 --> 01:06:18,020
noise when all of them don't necessarily all have generators. They are changing the way that

754
01:06:18,020 --> 01:06:21,860
But a lot of those food trucks are operating a go away from the generators.

755
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:28,820
And speaking of noise, I think that's an important question to ask if there's anything

756
01:06:28,820 --> 01:06:34,440
having to do with the permitting and reviewing what kind of power generation these food trucks

757
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:34,780
use.

758
01:06:35,420 --> 01:06:41,720
I've had issues in the ward about where a food truck is parked on private property operating

759
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:45,760
with the permission of that private property, but nearby neighbors have to deal with noise

760
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:49,000
and exhaust all day, that ends up creating

761
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:50,280
a little bit of a noise complaint.

762
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:55,280
So I'd be interested in maybe if we future tweak this,

763
01:06:55,300 --> 01:06:58,280
making sure that we review how things are powered

764
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:00,820
so that we're making sure that we're not only good

765
01:07:00,820 --> 01:07:03,300
for the environment, but also just the noise pollution

766
01:07:03,300 --> 01:07:03,920
in our city.

767
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:07,460
Then we'll probably be in the build that

768
01:07:07,460 --> 01:07:08,760
talk about the licensees.

769
01:07:09,180 --> 01:07:10,640
When you talk about the street department

770
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:14,800
and going out to investigate the truck to see,

771
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:19,840
if it makes a bunch of noise or not, that would be kind of in that maybe a future piece of legislation

772
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:25,180
that address licenses, but we don't do anything with noise outside of if it's making a lot of

773
01:07:25,180 --> 01:07:29,980
noise, I know we have a noise ordinance already on the book that people in kind of point two.

774
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:38,960
With that? Thank you. So for the 200-foot separation, this is we just did that amendment to make it 150-200 feet.

775
01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:48,160
I noticed that in the bill, I'll go back to that page, I remember. But it says, comparable goods.

776
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:57,080
I mean, and not the same kind of, if it's a pizza food truck, we don't want them to be parked outside of Emo's or Papajans.

777
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:02,980
So it's not like, oh, they're selling food and that business sells food.

778
01:08:03,140 --> 01:08:06,160
It's like they're selling burgers and that business sells bread.

779
01:08:07,100 --> 01:08:07,340
Okay.

780
01:08:10,180 --> 01:08:12,860
The original bill had a fiscal note.

781
01:08:13,540 --> 01:08:15,760
Is there an updated fiscal note for this bill?

782
01:08:16,700 --> 01:08:23,880
I don't believe so, we're waiting to get back from Sandy what those e-cows that would be the only

783
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:28,840
kind of fiscal impact as we're waiting to see what that would look like so she's looking to see other cities.

784
01:08:29,420 --> 01:08:34,920
That's what I was wondering is how much time and money this is going to take for the street department to administer this.

785
01:08:35,580 --> 01:08:39,080
I have concerns about the complaint system specifically.

786
01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:46,160
we can't even get utilities to repair their street work correctly to get an inspector out and

787
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:48,820
make sure that we're having road work done correctly.

788
01:08:50,360 --> 01:08:53,660
So what is the capacity of the streets department to investigate complaints is it just

789
01:08:53,660 --> 01:08:57,000
going to be sandy looking into these or who in the street department will be?

790
01:08:57,000 --> 01:08:59,040
No, there's other folks that work.

791
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:06,520
They have like a food truck team that they not only help with the licensees but they also

792
01:09:07,060 --> 01:09:08,780
to help the food trucks to be able to operate.

793
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:12,480
I think they're like a team of maybe five to six people.

794
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:14,720
But of course, they're not just focused on food trucks.

795
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:15,600
They do a lot of stuff.

796
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:18,680
If you do have language that you think would make sense

797
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:20,620
with the complaint, definitely open to it.

798
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:24,120
And I hear you, I think that's one of the struggles

799
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:27,100
of every piece of bill that we pass is enforcement

800
01:09:27,100 --> 01:09:31,640
with every city worker being under staff, underpaid,

801
01:09:32,500 --> 01:09:34,460
is making sure that it actually can be a force.

802
01:09:34,460 --> 01:09:36,580
but we did want to make sure there was a mechanism

803
01:09:36,580 --> 01:09:37,960
and not just keep it open.

804
01:09:38,440 --> 01:09:40,400
So if there is issues going on,

805
01:09:40,420 --> 01:09:42,180
at least there's a track record, one through CSV,

806
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:44,080
and then we know as Alders,

807
01:09:44,300 --> 01:09:45,440
if those aren't being answered,

808
01:09:45,900 --> 01:09:48,020
which happens with forced free and streets and others,

809
01:09:48,420 --> 01:09:49,800
that we kind of be the middle person

810
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:51,660
to follow directly up with the streets department

811
01:09:51,660 --> 01:09:56,020
if somebody in the ward is having concerns,

812
01:09:56,780 --> 01:09:58,180
which I think in this one,

813
01:09:58,400 --> 01:09:59,780
since you understand it's left out,

814
01:10:00,300 --> 01:10:02,020
so you probably won't have to worry about that part.

815
01:10:02,020 --> 01:10:14,240
Yeah, and I want to address that because when this bill was brought, I think I was given about four locations to check out in the Central West End about a week and a half ago.

816
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:28,440
I immediately went and started contacting these areas and they're the different business districts and everything that these existed in trying to talk to people trying to see if they would be okay with that.

817
01:10:28,440 --> 01:10:35,860
And to my regret, we weren't able to identify any four of those districts as a possible place.

818
01:10:36,180 --> 01:10:41,220
Mainly due to issues like it was private property that, you know, for instance,

819
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:45,000
the medical school operates their own food truck row, but it's private property.

820
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:51,480
And so they run their own permitting that over in the grove, we have a, you know,

821
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:57,440
commercial strip that is full of restaurants and they all pay into a local tax for a community

822
01:10:57,440 --> 01:11:01,320
improvement district, and they had a lot of concerns about competing businesses coming in

823
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:05,800
that wouldn't necessarily be subject to that tax, similar way over on Euclid in the

824
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:06,580
central West End.

825
01:11:07,020 --> 01:11:09,880
So I say to my regret because I do enjoy food trucks.

826
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:12,180
I think St. Louis does too.

827
01:11:12,660 --> 01:11:16,140
I think we have some of the best food in the country, and a lot of those places that I enjoy

828
01:11:16,140 --> 01:11:18,180
as brick and mortar stores now.

829
01:11:18,480 --> 01:11:25,220
I remember starting as food trucks, so I know that there's that necessary first level

830
01:11:25,220 --> 01:11:31,880
people kind of need to get into. That being said, I think food trucks also pose different

831
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:38,440
challenges that brick and mortar locations don't. I mentioned noise in generators. I think

832
01:11:38,440 --> 01:11:42,380
the proximity to brick and mortar stores has been addressed in this bill when I appreciate that.

833
01:11:44,020 --> 01:11:50,800
Trash production is a concern. Are the commercial corridors or these vending districts going to

834
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:56,880
receive extra trash receptacles and are there's going to be put on like a pick-up schedule

835
01:11:56,880 --> 01:12:03,500
in order to make sure that the trash that these food trucks generate is being deposited

836
01:12:03,500 --> 01:12:04,180
correctly.

837
01:12:04,940 --> 01:12:08,560
Yes, so that is a lease within the area that I have with downtown.

838
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:14,240
So the market street, there's already a took a drive, there's already several trash bins

839
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:20,420
either in city gardens or the park right across the street or also further up at 1520 outside

840
01:12:20,420 --> 01:12:27,080
a health department that we're looking to add as well as close to the soccer stadium that is

841
01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:32,760
in Cherokee, they have several trash bins. That is something that we will look into to

842
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:37,240
see if the alters within those words, so the one in Grant Arts Center, through the executive

843
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:42,280
director of support of that location as well as all the women keys, if that there can be some

844
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:47,200
maybe partnership either to ward capital to put a few more trash bins out there. But I will say

845
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:52,240
Because I do, you know, one thing that I don't want the conversation to be focused on

846
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:57,440
and not saying that you're doing it all the men is kind of the, you know, there's

847
01:12:57,440 --> 01:12:59,380
challenges with food trucks.

848
01:12:59,500 --> 01:13:04,000
I would say there's challenges with brick and mortar with noise as well, and being too loud.

849
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:09,700
And, you know, sometimes people going outside with their food and dumping them, food trucks

850
01:13:09,700 --> 01:13:13,440
would not, you know, it's, and I've learned a lot over this last year to talk with Ms. Scott.

851
01:13:13,440 --> 01:13:17,660
they don't want to leave a bad reputation in these areas because of them they know they want

852
01:13:17,660 --> 01:13:22,660
to be allowed to come back or people would not want them to be back. So, you know, trash was

853
01:13:22,660 --> 01:13:26,460
one of the conversations that we talked about where sometimes brick and or food trucks have

854
01:13:26,460 --> 01:13:31,440
two people driving and cooking, where somebody in the food truck will also like go out before they

855
01:13:31,440 --> 01:13:35,980
leave and before they get there to pick up trash because they're reputation and just like a brick

856
01:13:35,980 --> 01:13:42,300
and mortar is a business. The food trucks are business too. So, they're aware that a lot of times

857
01:13:42,300 --> 01:13:43,980
what I heard they go out personally and pick up

858
01:13:43,980 --> 01:13:45,060
addresses people drop it.

859
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:47,420
But we are looking at some partnership of

860
01:13:47,420 --> 01:13:50,340
a work capital, maybe install more mainly

861
01:13:50,340 --> 01:13:52,180
of the grand center area.

862
01:13:52,700 --> 01:13:54,940
Yeah, I think that's just an important thing to address

863
01:13:54,940 --> 01:13:57,460
as somebody who likes to do neighborhood trash pickups

864
01:13:57,460 --> 01:14:00,880
and other things we often notice where the trash is coming from.

865
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:03,140
And I'm not saying it is coming from the food trucks,

866
01:14:03,300 --> 01:14:06,560
I think it comes from a variety of source, a lot of gas stations.

867
01:14:07,700 --> 01:14:10,960
But I think there is a concern about making sure

868
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:12,680
that we just have the receiving end of that,

869
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:15,880
making sure the crash has been picked up properly.

870
01:14:17,460 --> 01:14:20,340
I don't have any more questions at this time.

871
01:14:20,620 --> 01:14:22,740
I do agree with the overall goal of this bill.

872
01:14:23,100 --> 01:14:26,360
I do question the urgency of passing it this session.

873
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:30,400
We did receive the committee's substitute at 5.48 PM last night.

874
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:33,120
We had, we just suspended the rules to introduce it.

875
01:14:34,460 --> 01:14:37,160
The committee's substitute language is not online,

876
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:45,220
So only others and apparently the working group have had a chance to read this new bill through and it's a

877
01:14:45,220 --> 01:14:53,580
Substantially different bill from the previous version. It's not just like an update, which I think we've done with some other bills. There's there's a lot to get through here

878
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:59,980
It's and I I think it's a very a lot of moving parts. It's a very technical operation that I want to make sure we get everything

879
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:13,260
Right. So if we're going to come back next session and polish this up, I'd prefer to wait to do it at that point. I agree with the spirit of this bill. I just don't see the urgency to pass it this session on this timeline.

880
01:15:14,060 --> 01:15:23,880
But I do appreciate the work going into it. And I'd like to continue to work in on it because I think this is important. I do really think food trucks are a vital part of our food economy.

881
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:31,240
And I'd really like to get this right because I do think this benefits our city when we do get it right.

882
01:15:38,850 --> 01:15:42,890
Thank you, Alderman. I have some questions as well.

883
01:15:44,150 --> 01:15:47,410
So first thing, walk us through the permitting process.

884
01:15:47,670 --> 01:15:50,830
So Sam, a food truck that doesn't have a license isn't permanent at all.

885
01:15:51,150 --> 01:15:57,030
Can you tell me a little bit about how they would approach this and kind of changes that are in place if this bill moves?

886
01:15:57,030 --> 01:16:00,690
Yes, so this bill, which doesn't address permitting process.

887
01:16:00,910 --> 01:16:01,750
I want to be clear.

888
01:16:01,750 --> 01:16:06,050
I walk you through it, but the permitting process and kind of licensing is the only thing

889
01:16:06,050 --> 01:16:09,870
that's added new is that the decal will now be added so that they can help with the

890
01:16:09,870 --> 01:16:10,390
length system.

891
01:16:11,730 --> 01:16:19,590
But the licensees and recently the license collected just created a checklist for food trucks

892
01:16:19,590 --> 01:16:23,170
and sidewalk vendors in no before you get your business license.

893
01:16:23,470 --> 01:16:26,770
You have to go through this department, which is the health department.

894
01:16:26,770 --> 01:16:30,290
you have to go to the streets apartment and get your street license to be able to

895
01:16:30,290 --> 01:16:36,830
event on the street and I think it's the fire department or is it fire department for

896
01:16:36,830 --> 01:16:43,210
the fire suppression? Yes, so they have to get three different licensees before they actually

897
01:16:43,210 --> 01:16:56,750
and pay fees before they actually can get their business license and this has been the

898
01:16:56,750 --> 01:17:12,430
license collector. Um, so she has recently did a check off list. So when people want to get a food truck, uh, which, again, the rules is different for sidewalk. If they want to get those licensees that they have to go through a, uh, the proper departments to be able to get that.

899
01:17:13,550 --> 01:17:18,810
Okay. I'm seeing the, uh, a website where it goes through the various different things.

900
01:17:20,310 --> 01:17:23,930
It's interestingly enough, this is an Australian about this bill, but it says stationary sidewalk

901
01:17:23,930 --> 01:17:26,050
vendor permits are issued by the parks department.

902
01:17:26,170 --> 01:17:27,550
I think you said they were issued by the streets.

903
01:17:27,750 --> 01:17:30,810
We're not parks, sidewalks of vendors is not food truck.

904
01:17:31,190 --> 01:17:31,590
Okay.

905
01:17:31,870 --> 01:17:32,190
Yep.

906
01:17:32,370 --> 01:17:32,890
I understand it.

907
01:17:33,250 --> 01:17:36,530
I think one of the things that.

908
01:17:37,190 --> 01:17:38,470
So I heard it is streets.

909
01:17:38,690 --> 01:17:40,090
Maybe it's not updated on the website.

910
01:17:40,290 --> 01:17:40,550
Right.

911
01:17:40,550 --> 01:17:47,130
I think one of the things that I started with with this committee is that so many of the things that

912
01:17:47,130 --> 01:17:52,330
right tape are less necessarily about what it says in the bill and more about how the person

913
01:17:52,330 --> 01:17:59,390
going to get this license or this permit interacts with the city and the process and the steps

914
01:17:59,390 --> 01:18:04,710
in the checklist and all of that being kind of opaque. So, you know, if this bill passes,

915
01:18:05,430 --> 01:18:10,130
I would love to work with you and the license collector and the streets department and make that

916
01:18:10,130 --> 01:18:14,650
that checklist easy to follow in the website, match the checklist, match the bill, all of those things.

917
01:18:14,650 --> 01:18:20,510
I think it's possibly really the work of this committee more so than any legislation we pass.

918
01:18:20,570 --> 01:18:26,470
I will take you up on that, because yes, like I say during this process, even though we're not touching,

919
01:18:26,470 --> 01:18:30,530
like I say the licensing aspect of it, it has been very interesting.

920
01:18:31,690 --> 01:18:37,170
Once they get their licenses, the lack of operations where they can go is what we're trying to make successful

921
01:18:37,170 --> 01:18:40,890
so that people actually can stay in the city of St. Louis talk with some food trucks.

922
01:18:40,890 --> 01:18:45,410
like, yeah, process in the city is just so jacked up, I get my license and then I can't go anywhere

923
01:18:45,410 --> 01:18:51,230
so I just go to the county. So we wanted to give more options so that they can feel successful,

924
01:18:51,770 --> 01:18:57,890
but there is a go to come back and look at that licensees for food trucks and sidewalks

925
01:18:57,890 --> 01:19:02,450
and to make sure that all these different departments are kind of on the same page. That's not

926
01:19:02,450 --> 01:19:07,450
pertain to this bill, but I will say the license collectors also have been frustrated with.

927
01:19:07,450 --> 01:19:17,230
with the hurdles and hoops that of people have to go through and then get a license and end

928
01:19:17,230 --> 01:19:18,810
of figuring out maybe they didn't have the suppression.

929
01:19:19,410 --> 01:19:24,870
So she is changing her internal process to be able to make sure that it all flows together,

930
01:19:25,030 --> 01:19:29,830
but that's more on the that's before they get it, which we definitely need to address and change

931
01:19:29,830 --> 01:19:30,650
that too.

932
01:19:30,650 --> 01:19:39,170
Okay. Great. So you mentioned the streets department would be investigating any planes.

933
01:19:39,230 --> 01:19:44,890
Yes, ma'am. The police department handles noise violations. Do you see that being just like

934
01:19:44,890 --> 01:19:50,390
as Alderman Browning asked, like a separate call or would that be through the streets department as well?

935
01:19:50,990 --> 01:19:55,890
I'll could see it being through if there's a noise violation that also, which we're working with

936
01:19:55,890 --> 01:20:01,270
the SB to add that and the food truck that the noise violation also can be part of that

937
01:20:01,270 --> 01:20:06,670
complaint process, which is street department, could investigate or the police department,

938
01:20:06,910 --> 01:20:09,050
but it would be flagged with NCSV.

939
01:20:14,860 --> 01:20:19,320
When you all put together the different districts and it's 200 foot distance from a brick

940
01:20:19,320 --> 01:20:27,460
and mortar, does that limit any of those districts from being applicable in terms of, you

941
01:20:29,100 --> 01:20:36,280
So the language that's in there that says there are 200 feet, but the districts is not, there's kind of like a exemption for the district.

942
01:20:37,260 --> 01:20:49,060
So, and within looking at all the districts, I guess they're not within the range. I think the one that maybe the closest is right outside of Alaw, which may be close to Schlaffley, but it's kind of around the corner front.

943
01:20:49,060 --> 01:20:56,260
But the ones on Cherokee Street under the Aldo woman and their seat has been working in partnership of these patients.

944
01:20:56,980 --> 01:20:59,940
That 200 feet, well, the 150 feet was already in there.

945
01:20:59,980 --> 01:21:04,420
We extended it to 200 because of restaurant, but there's also language in there that say,

946
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:10,240
if a restaurant would want a food truck to be outside of the restaurant that can't have room permission,

947
01:21:10,480 --> 01:21:18,080
but we were strategic in making sure where the districts are that there's kind of a lack of food opportunity.

948
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:25,380
So the one from Grand Center, I think the biggest one that they brought up is there's not so much food

949
01:21:25,380 --> 01:21:32,820
but at Compton in Washington, there may be, they serve food, but they don't serve food, I think, after like eight o'clock.

950
01:21:33,260 --> 01:21:37,140
But we make sure that we put language that there's almost like an exemption for these districts,

951
01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:41,460
but we kept them far enough away from brick and mortar as well.

952
01:21:42,100 --> 01:21:47,280
Okay, so just to make sure I understand correctly, if you are a food truck, you can operate in these districts.

953
01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:55,800
only. Unless you have written permission to operate somewhere else. Unless if a brick and mortar

954
01:21:55,800 --> 01:22:02,480
because some brick and mortar is half-food trucks. So if they're not open on Sunday, a food truck

955
01:22:02,480 --> 01:22:07,860
could operate outside a brick and mortar with written permission. But not outside of these

956
01:22:07,860 --> 01:22:12,760
districts or yes outside of these districts. Only in the districts but they can operate outside

957
01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:17,000
of a brick and mortar if they got written permission from the brick and mortar.

958
01:22:17,580 --> 01:22:20,940
What if there's more than brick and one brick and mortar like on South Korean or something

959
01:22:20,940 --> 01:22:27,680
when you have all of these in a row and they're not going to be 200 feet from the next or neighbor.

960
01:22:28,860 --> 01:22:29,880
That was language.

961
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:59,860
We got from the, uh, kind of the restaurant association so that again the thought was if you have a the thought behind it is there's some brick and orders a half food trucks and they may not be open on a Sunday, um, but they may want to open up their food truck on a Sunday, but what this would do is not allow them to have their own food truck outside of their own restaurant because of that, uh, foot distance. So we want to also take into account if a kitchen is closed for the restaurant, but if they have a food truck,

962
01:22:59,860 --> 01:23:03,380
that they can still operate their own food truck outside of the restaurant.

963
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:11,320
We don't see it as a way for a restaurant or a food truck to pull up on Washington and say,

964
01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:14,340
hey, can I have my food truck here, but that thought was to make sure that restaurants

965
01:23:14,340 --> 01:23:18,080
that already have a brick and mortar, that may not open up their brick and mortar,

966
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:21,980
can still be able to open up, maybe their food truck outside of the restaurant.

967
01:23:23,860 --> 01:23:25,980
But does it say that in the bill?

968
01:23:26,260 --> 01:23:28,900
This is what written permission from the brick and mortar.

969
01:23:28,900 --> 01:23:31,660
But it doesn't say that it would be their food truck.

970
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:32,700
No.

971
01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:38,300
So then, what they have, so then if there's another restaurant next door, but they have

972
01:23:38,300 --> 01:23:41,400
what person from the brick and mortar and front of them, does that supersede that?

973
01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:48,540
That could, that could have, if a food truck pull-up outside or if a, if I'm a, let me

974
01:23:48,540 --> 01:23:49,940
say, let me figure it out this way.

975
01:23:50,220 --> 01:23:54,660
If a restaurant gave a food truck permission, the way that the language reads, it would

976
01:23:54,660 --> 01:23:59,900
allow for that food truck pull up there we can tighten it and say only from that brick and

977
01:23:59,900 --> 01:24:04,600
mortar but again that that goal was to make sure that the brick and mortar who has food trucks

978
01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:08,880
to several of them have food trucks if they need to operate their food truck outside of the restaurant

979
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:15,180
for what ever reason that they were able to do that. I think that might need some more clarity

980
01:24:15,180 --> 01:24:20,680
in the bill because it right now would be two things could be true at once so that it could

981
01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:25,040
operate and then it could operate and who's making that decision for whether or not they can.

982
01:24:25,420 --> 01:24:30,020
And who's reviewing that, you know, written policy, I guess I'd like to see more clarification

983
01:24:30,020 --> 01:24:31,360
around that.

984
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:36,980
I sent you a bunch of questions that really is morning and a lot of them you've done a great

985
01:24:36,980 --> 01:24:37,540
job of answering.

986
01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:41,500
You've already mentioned that you have the support of all the alderman in the districts that

987
01:24:41,500 --> 01:24:44,680
are mentioned in the bill.

988
01:24:44,680 --> 01:24:47,240
It talks about LRA property exceptions.

989
01:24:47,240 --> 01:24:51,340
This is possibly something that's already existing and I just thought it.

990
01:24:51,460 --> 01:24:52,560
You speak a little bit about that.

991
01:24:52,740 --> 01:24:59,060
It was already existing in the bill, so that was just already in the language.

992
01:24:59,060 --> 01:25:03,220
And we didn't change stuff that was existing in the code for this or on the cell.

993
01:25:03,420 --> 01:25:05,540
Okay, so if you're like in King's way west and there's no.

994
01:25:05,660 --> 01:25:08,900
So that language was all dramatized and we definitely didn't want to touch that.

995
01:25:09,100 --> 01:25:13,340
So there was a previous ordinance that she passed with King's way west and all of that.

996
01:25:13,340 --> 01:25:17,180
that also had like Elere language that we didn't touch

997
01:25:17,180 --> 01:25:20,640
because it was already existing for a reason why she had it there.

998
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:23,760
But even in this bill, if you're in Elere a lot anywhere,

999
01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:25,720
you couldn't just operate there.

1000
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:26,000
Correct.

1001
01:25:26,380 --> 01:25:26,780
No matter what.

1002
01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:36,520
I think there is a just ribners

1003
01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:39,600
error on page eight lines C.

1004
01:25:41,320 --> 01:25:43,980
It says public way.

1005
01:25:43,980 --> 01:25:47,280
I'm guessing that means public right of way.

1006
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:52,100
I would also send me a public right of way when I looked at it and thank you just asking

1007
01:25:52,100 --> 01:25:52,720
you ahead of time.

1008
01:25:52,740 --> 01:25:56,660
That was something that was also already in the legislation code,

1009
01:25:59,140 --> 01:26:00,260
so yeah, that was something

1010
01:26:00,260 --> 01:26:06,340
that existed before any changes and we didn't change that line at all from what we're

1011
01:26:06,340 --> 01:26:06,360
doing.

1012
01:26:06,360 --> 01:26:12,280
OK, I probably should say public right up way though.

1013
01:26:12,940 --> 01:26:18,060
So if we could, Madam Clerk, just note that as a script

1014
01:26:18,060 --> 01:26:22,940
nurse error that we're cleaning up here, page eight line.

1015
01:26:23,820 --> 01:26:24,580
Is it page eight?

1016
01:26:27,780 --> 01:26:30,440
I looked it up, but I'll think it's page eight.

1017
01:26:31,100 --> 01:26:31,920
What you mean?

1018
01:26:31,940 --> 01:26:36,120
I'll find it, and make sure we get it for the clerk that page

1019
01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:37,000
that it's on.

1020
01:26:38,580 --> 01:26:44,400
We already talked about the streets department maintaining the decals, let's see.

1021
01:26:49,140 --> 01:26:54,720
And with the parks department, I was able to talk to them just briefly about this bill,

1022
01:26:54,740 --> 01:27:05,570
and they said that their main was making sure that they would have the ability to limit

1023
01:27:05,570 --> 01:27:11,470
who's in the parks, and I know that there's a specific section here, letting them set their

1024
01:27:11,470 --> 01:27:19,820
parameters, because it sounds like they would need to one meet the park

1025
01:27:19,820 --> 01:27:24,540
curfew, which is a concern of mine, because this allows to 1 a.m. or 11 p.m.

1026
01:27:24,940 --> 01:27:29,000
depending, and the park curfew to mostly 10 p.m. but that would be something that

1027
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:31,120
they would work out if you're going to go into a park.

1028
01:27:31,340 --> 01:27:35,100
Yes, they would go into the park, they would have to get a vision from the park's

1029
01:27:35,100 --> 01:27:40,640
apartment. Okay. And the park's apartment sounds like they would be adding

1030
01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:45,220
applying copy of the business license, which is part of this, with having a decal.

1031
01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:50,840
They're saying they want to $500, we find a bull security deposit, which isn't part

1032
01:27:50,840 --> 01:27:52,760
of this, but could be part of the thing that they said.

1033
01:27:52,980 --> 01:27:55,140
Yeah, that would be their own policy set.

1034
01:27:55,980 --> 01:28:00,080
And which I don't know if that's like when all there's do waivers for people, for parks, if

1035
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:04,340
that's one of the things that could be waived, but that's their own process that they

1036
01:28:04,340 --> 01:28:09,220
usually not the security deposit, sometimes you can waive the permit fee, but not the security

1037
01:28:09,220 --> 01:28:16,000
deposit within a park. And then you already have in here that the there would be a certificate

1038
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:21,140
of insurance. Yes. And is that that's something that is new? That's new. Okay. I think that's a good

1039
01:28:21,140 --> 01:28:26,820
idea. And naming the city as an additionally insured. Yes. Okay.

1040
01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:31,420
Okay. I think those are the majority

1041
01:28:31,420 --> 01:28:39,400
of my questions. I have some just concerns about process. But I don't know that the process

1042
01:28:39,400 --> 01:28:41,300
is necessarily addressed here.

1043
01:28:41,300 --> 01:28:42,800
This is more about the locations.

1044
01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:46,280
This is more the operations after the process,

1045
01:28:46,500 --> 01:28:49,160
is something that needs to definitely be addressed.

1046
01:28:49,660 --> 01:28:51,360
Some of you like, you know,

1047
01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:54,420
picking your brain and hanging out with the God child

1048
01:28:54,420 --> 01:28:56,380
to figure this out, because it is very,

1049
01:28:57,540 --> 01:29:00,680
it's very mushed together when you have sidewalks and streets.

1050
01:29:00,940 --> 01:29:03,180
But this is kind of the after the process.

1051
01:29:03,200 --> 01:29:04,860
This is the operations art,

1052
01:29:04,860 --> 01:29:06,620
so that they can operate

1053
01:29:07,380 --> 01:29:17,000
And not have that confusion, which you can almost say is kind of part of the process on the operations because a lot of food trucks have said it's just very unclear where they can operate.

1054
01:29:17,260 --> 01:29:21,920
So we want to clear least a little bit of the process on the operations and make it more clear.

1055
01:29:22,180 --> 01:29:29,860
And I think can eventually come back and address some of the processes for the licenses, which a lot of them are already licensed.

1056
01:29:29,860 --> 01:29:34,580
we want more and more to be licensed. But since we have a large variety of food truck already licensed,

1057
01:29:34,820 --> 01:29:40,680
it's like okay, let's cut the red tape for them to be able to operate and then come on the back end

1058
01:29:40,680 --> 01:29:45,600
to start to have those conversations, which the licensed collector is all in on of what that looks

1059
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:52,380
like with all various departments to make that process a better flowing process. I appreciate that. I

1060
01:29:52,380 --> 01:29:58,800
think that is like I said when in talking with different organizations about this committee and the

1061
01:29:58,800 --> 01:29:59,840
that should have.

1062
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:10,120
Go much of it was just the process as unclear, you know, not necessarily something is legal or illegal, but I do see that this piece is around the operation locations.

1063
01:30:11,440 --> 01:30:22,800
I would, I'm not, I'm not prepared at this moment to make an amendment on the 150 200 foot. I think that's very confusing though, and I would like to do you think you would be interested in having an amendment on Friday.

1064
01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:25,740
Oh yeah, so the 200 feet, I think, is this best

1065
01:30:26,240 --> 01:30:29,380
Jan, maybe me, you and the association can talk

1066
01:30:29,380 --> 01:30:32,340
definitely open to what that could looks like.

1067
01:30:32,440 --> 01:30:34,740
It sounds like it's more of maybe the written

1068
01:30:34,740 --> 01:30:38,300
content part, but yes, I'm open to working with you to

1069
01:30:38,300 --> 01:30:39,940
figure out what that could look like Friday.

1070
01:30:40,320 --> 01:30:42,680
Thank you. I just find that very confusing with,

1071
01:30:42,700 --> 01:30:44,720
you know, if you have written permission from one business

1072
01:30:44,720 --> 01:30:46,920
outside of the district, but then you're next to another

1073
01:30:46,920 --> 01:30:55,500
business, how that could kind of overlap in terms of what's correct and for the enforcement

1074
01:30:55,500 --> 01:30:57,980
piece, I can imagine on the back end that I'm being very confused.

1075
01:30:58,240 --> 01:31:01,100
And maybe I'm gonna have, if it's okay, because she'd been like my partner crime on this,

1076
01:31:01,200 --> 01:31:04,880
I'm gonna have Janika come up to kind of explaining that once, maybe I'm not, uh, okay.

1077
01:31:05,200 --> 01:31:06,300
Yeah, I appreciate that.

1078
01:31:06,340 --> 01:31:07,460
Thank you.

1079
01:31:12,110 --> 01:31:15,070
Ms. Hayden, if you could introduce yourself for the record, and please proceed.

1080
01:31:15,370 --> 01:31:17,670
I'm Janika Hayden, I'm a policy solution for President Green.

1081
01:31:17,670 --> 01:31:21,850
He has your question again all the way because I heard you, I just don't think all the way.

1082
01:31:21,850 --> 01:31:22,810
I appreciate that.

1083
01:31:23,150 --> 01:31:31,070
So I am confused about the, there's the districts that, yes, vendors are allowed to operate.

1084
01:31:31,150 --> 01:31:32,270
Those are clearly specified.

1085
01:31:32,830 --> 01:31:41,470
And then there is some information about not being able to operate within 200 feet of an existing brick and mortar, unless you have permission.

1086
01:31:42,110 --> 01:31:44,730
So, please tell me a page you're looking at, I'm sorry.

1087
01:31:45,750 --> 01:31:46,490
Here's that amendment.

1088
01:31:47,110 --> 01:31:47,270
13.

1089
01:31:53,530 --> 01:31:54,490
Page 13.

1090
01:31:55,250 --> 01:31:56,030
Line 12.

1091
01:31:57,370 --> 01:32:00,610
So, if you are a,

1092
01:32:05,350 --> 01:32:07,250
no license vendor, so I'll conduct

1093
01:32:07,250 --> 01:32:10,010
a vending business, then 150 feet.

1094
01:32:10,190 --> 01:32:12,550
You know, except when operating within a designated

1095
01:32:13,250 --> 01:32:15,430
vending market, which we already said,

1096
01:32:19,510 --> 01:32:19,710
but, you know,

1097
01:32:19,870 --> 01:32:21,070
explain, yes.

1098
01:32:21,530 --> 01:32:22,350
I'm going to explain to you.

1099
01:32:22,350 --> 01:32:31,010
So, the 150 feet, that's now 200, that language existed prior to the passage.

1100
01:32:31,550 --> 01:32:38,580
We wanted to preserve that to make sure brick and mortar had some autonomy in the situation,

1101
01:32:38,780 --> 01:32:44,460
but we tried to carve the districts in a way that weren't really near restaurants.

1102
01:32:44,700 --> 01:32:47,260
So if we went through the districts that are in the bill,

1103
01:32:47,780 --> 01:32:52,960
the only one that would raise the insurance from restaurants would be Cherokee.

1104
01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:57,920
Now, we talk to the older woman, they talk to the city, there's restaurants up and down

1105
01:32:57,920 --> 01:33:04,880
Cherokee, but Cherokee said, as if I'm hoping I'm not mischaracterizing, they're not

1106
01:33:04,880 --> 01:33:10,000
so much concerned about food trucks operating around the Cherokee area.

1107
01:33:10,720 --> 01:33:17,960
So we tried to make, tried to make kind of an exemption for Cherokee, because there are

1108
01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:22,500
restaurants up and down the commercial corridor Cherokee, but it's pretty general consensus

1109
01:33:22,500 --> 01:33:24,880
is that we want that area to be a food truck market,

1110
01:33:25,460 --> 01:33:27,860
so that language after...

1111
01:33:28,680 --> 01:33:30,400
Right, so that's as accepting when operating

1112
01:33:30,400 --> 01:33:32,200
within a designated bending market.

1113
01:33:32,600 --> 01:33:33,760
That is not on a principle,

1114
01:33:33,860 --> 01:33:35,720
I'll tell you, locate on that share history.

1115
01:33:36,320 --> 01:33:38,700
Okay, so there is no written permit.

1116
01:33:38,700 --> 01:33:40,600
There is no written permit in language.

1117
01:33:41,780 --> 01:33:44,460
I'm not seeing that, maybe I think the ultimate is spoke,

1118
01:33:45,180 --> 01:33:47,620
but if a brick and mortar did have their own food truck,

1119
01:33:47,880 --> 01:33:49,380
they can prop it out in front of their brick and mortar,

1120
01:33:49,420 --> 01:33:50,080
that's no problem.

1121
01:33:50,100 --> 01:33:51,760
That doesn't really affect this property.

1122
01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:57,280
What we really tried to address was vending markets designated districts and we tried to

1123
01:33:57,280 --> 01:34:03,280
our best stay away from brick and mortar so the 150 feet is kind of moved unless there is

1124
01:34:03,280 --> 01:34:07,900
a restaurant in the district so for instance on market street the downtown vending market,

1125
01:34:08,120 --> 01:34:15,400
the downtown area which is a street to the 16th street there's no real restaurants on that

1126
01:34:15,400 --> 01:34:22,700
So, yes, the 150 fee provisions there, but it wouldn't really, it wouldn't really

1127
01:34:22,700 --> 01:34:24,480
matter because there's no restaurants on market.

1128
01:34:25,060 --> 01:34:27,920
And that was an clear exception in the bill.

1129
01:34:28,200 --> 01:34:32,760
So, if you have a vending district, yes, if you're in the district, it doesn't matter if

1130
01:34:32,760 --> 01:34:34,120
there's a restaurant right next door.

1131
01:34:34,260 --> 01:34:35,140
No, it does.

1132
01:34:35,500 --> 01:34:39,840
It needs to be within a hundred and fifty feet if they're in the market.

1133
01:34:39,860 --> 01:34:43,460
Not located on a principal arterial territory,

1134
01:34:46,210 --> 01:34:46,790
territory.

1135
01:34:46,790 --> 01:34:47,690
except

1136
01:34:51,780 --> 01:34:53,260
for an operating within a designated

1137
01:34:53,260 --> 01:34:57,420
vending market that is not located in civil arterial street.

1138
01:34:57,820 --> 01:35:01,360
So, okay, so the exception is, okay,

1139
01:35:01,560 --> 01:35:04,540
so that when it is operating on a principal arterial street,

1140
01:35:04,960 --> 01:35:05,940
the 100, yes.

1141
01:35:06,360 --> 01:35:09,580
But if they are operating, I'm gonna get back to the language.

1142
01:35:09,880 --> 01:35:11,460
On a principal arterial street that is located

1143
01:35:11,460 --> 01:35:13,660
within the local commercial office district

1144
01:35:13,660 --> 01:35:15,280
that's a zone like per zoning,

1145
01:35:16,160 --> 01:35:17,980
that is only applicable to Cherokee Street,

1146
01:35:18,120 --> 01:35:20,500
downtown, that's commercial, downtown West,

1147
01:35:20,500 --> 01:35:23,020
that's commercial, grants center, that's commercial.

1148
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:26,740
The only place that has that exemption is really chair-cashry.

1149
01:35:27,320 --> 01:35:28,780
So they could prop up over there.

1150
01:35:29,020 --> 01:35:31,400
I think the written, it's not, it's not.

1151
01:35:31,500 --> 01:35:33,740
Can set, yeah, it's something from the past.

1152
01:35:33,740 --> 01:35:34,540
Yes, I think so.

1153
01:35:34,840 --> 01:35:36,700
Right, just allowing written consent

1154
01:35:36,700 --> 01:35:38,340
of the owner manager of the property.

1155
01:35:38,580 --> 01:35:40,100
And we don't really have that issue anymore,

1156
01:35:40,360 --> 01:35:43,080
because they're not going to be operating citywide.

1157
01:35:43,100 --> 01:35:45,320
We were contemplating citywide vending,

1158
01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:48,280
but since we've had conversations with stakeholders,

1159
01:35:48,480 --> 01:35:49,820
we narrowed it down to these districts.

1160
01:35:49,820 --> 01:35:52,560
So it's not really applicable there.

1161
01:35:54,500 --> 01:35:56,660
One of the things I do really like about this bill

1162
01:35:56,660 --> 01:36:02,140
is this one year, re-up of this.

1163
01:36:05,780 --> 01:36:10,080
I am, you know, it's interesting to see how that will work

1164
01:36:10,080 --> 01:36:13,660
in a year from now when we're passing this kind of right

1165
01:36:13,660 --> 01:36:15,840
before we go on break, and there's going to be an election.

1166
01:36:16,080 --> 01:36:17,600
I assume all there mental health issues will be here

1167
01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:18,520
to carry that bill.

1168
01:36:18,520 --> 01:36:21,740
but is that something that the president's office is committed to caring for a

1169
01:36:21,740 --> 01:36:25,420
word no matter or maybe that's also on the ballot too. So that's going to be an

1170
01:36:25,420 --> 01:36:30,500
interesting time to see who does that if we do need to you'll be here on the

1171
01:36:30,500 --> 01:36:37,300
woman. Okay. It's on me. Got it. Fair enough. Okay. Fair enough. Fair enough. Yeah, so

1172
01:36:37,300 --> 01:36:41,340
I forgot for a bit we're all here. Yeah. I'm going to come back. Okay, shoot. We are committed

1173
01:36:41,340 --> 01:36:43,740
to come back and we're going to legislate. But it's definitely like we're like

1174
01:36:43,740 --> 01:36:48,000
the streets department flags it for review. Yes, I've talked to Sandy and I think

1175
01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:52,560
to plan for right now is to see how these markets are working and see if there's stakeholder

1176
01:36:52,560 --> 01:36:56,060
feedback, if there's anything we need to adjust, if we need to, I'm going to say this

1177
01:36:56,060 --> 01:37:02,180
with the Food Circle Association to adjust anything. I'm hoping not, but if so, we'll need to

1178
01:37:02,180 --> 01:37:05,880
come back. We, we made that commitment to the working group that we'll come back in a year.

1179
01:37:06,080 --> 01:37:11,980
I appreciate that. I think that's great. I think that I could see adding, or requesting to have added

1180
01:37:11,980 --> 01:37:18,920
the board, different areas within the first ward, but I am kind of wanting to take a second to

1181
01:37:18,920 --> 01:37:22,960
just see how this goes. We did have a food truck parked on private property, someone recently

1182
01:37:22,960 --> 01:37:26,480
they had, you know, all the permits, everything was right, but they had the really loud generator

1183
01:37:26,480 --> 01:37:29,960
and it caused, you know, a week and a half worth of...

1184
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:56,720
Police calls, really angry neighbors, really intense. And then they changed it, which was great. But that is something that changed the generator. They changed it. They changed it to a different power source. Yeah, I think they worked with the brick and mortar that was on the property to use their power, which worked a lot better because that became a huge huge issue for the neighborhood. So okay. Does anyone have any further questions? Any older men in the audience of any questions? Okay.

1185
01:37:57,960 --> 01:38:00,940
Okay, Alderman, Alder, you're recognized to close.

1186
01:38:01,440 --> 01:38:02,340
Thank you, Madam Chairwoman.

1187
01:38:02,580 --> 01:38:03,200
Members of the committee.

1188
01:38:04,180 --> 01:38:06,800
First, I do again, I want to thank the working group.

1189
01:38:06,980 --> 01:38:11,700
This has been an ongoing conversation for the last kind of year and a half.

1190
01:38:12,380 --> 01:38:16,320
I'll be remiss to not think, you know, every individual, so I just don't miss anybody.

1191
01:38:16,580 --> 01:38:21,460
I won't say names, but it has been important to kind of have these stakeholders.

1192
01:38:21,620 --> 01:38:25,740
And then what I've learned, you can't always have every stakeholder,

1193
01:38:25,740 --> 01:38:28,860
we try our best to get as many as possible.

1194
01:38:29,320 --> 01:38:32,700
Thank my colleagues for the one to also add

1195
01:38:32,700 --> 01:38:36,180
its location to these vending districts.

1196
01:38:36,500 --> 01:38:38,300
Definitely looking forward to working with you,

1197
01:38:38,380 --> 01:38:40,700
all the women's switzer on the licensing part

1198
01:38:40,700 --> 01:38:45,160
because when you look at the code for our food truck

1199
01:38:45,160 --> 01:38:47,660
and our sidewalk vendors which all wrapped into one

1200
01:38:47,660 --> 01:38:49,000
and I want to be very clear.

1201
01:38:49,460 --> 01:38:52,620
We are not touching sidewalk fish cart,

1202
01:38:52,620 --> 01:38:58,160
they still call them. But sidewalk vendors were only touching the food vendors. It is a very

1203
01:38:58,160 --> 01:39:06,750
complicated code because this is one code that's probably been changed like 20, 23 times just from

1204
01:39:07,540 --> 01:39:13,800
previous orders doing changes here, tweaks there and tweaks there. So we do plan to revise the whole

1205
01:39:13,800 --> 01:39:19,940
code. But I think this is a huge step forward to right now is kind of the Wild Wild West for

1206
01:39:19,940 --> 01:39:27,400
food trucks and they can't operate, understand some concerns of like, let's wait, but I think

1207
01:39:27,400 --> 01:39:32,060
you know, a lot of food trucks are really asking for guidance for the city of St. Louis

1208
01:39:32,880 --> 01:39:38,020
of, or it's been on the books that's not really either supporting them to be financially

1209
01:39:38,020 --> 01:39:42,660
successful in being a food truck because I can't operate anywhere or don't know where to operate.

1210
01:39:42,940 --> 01:39:48,040
So I think what we're trying to do is be very clear and lay out where these areas of these vending

1211
01:39:48,040 --> 01:39:52,400
food markets can be. Hopefully there will be more added. I know the all women from the

1212
01:39:52,400 --> 01:39:56,820
12th had a location that she wanted. Hopefully we'll get to the floor, but also I keep

1213
01:39:56,820 --> 01:40:01,780
the invitation open for any colleagues that want to add some markets on the floor, but I think

1214
01:40:01,780 --> 01:40:07,220
this is a good first step with a lot of feedback from neighborhood associations, a lot of

1215
01:40:07,220 --> 01:40:17,840
seeds, stakeholders from the food truck association as well as the restaurant association. It has been

1216
01:40:17,840 --> 01:40:20,860
year and a half, there's been kind of these, you know,

1217
01:40:21,000 --> 01:40:23,520
pitting food trucks and brick and mortar is like kind of a

1218
01:40:23,520 --> 01:40:24,280
against each other.

1219
01:40:24,560 --> 01:40:27,140
Instead of trying to figure out how do we all in the city

1220
01:40:27,140 --> 01:40:31,540
as St. Louis succeed together, instead of trying to put

1221
01:40:31,540 --> 01:40:34,100
two sides against each other, so to have the restaurant and the

1222
01:40:34,100 --> 01:40:36,320
food truck on the same board, on this piece of

1223
01:40:36,320 --> 01:40:39,740
legislation is a historic moment, and I appreciate

1224
01:40:39,740 --> 01:40:41,740
everyone again who's been at the table.

1225
01:40:42,200 --> 01:40:43,960
You know, there's probably never enough time to get

1226
01:40:43,960 --> 01:40:47,320
legislation perfect, but I do think we got it to a spot

1227
01:40:47,320 --> 01:40:53,360
that is a really good spot to help cut some red tape so that the operations can be a little bit more clear.

1228
01:40:53,800 --> 01:40:58,580
And you have my commitment, God willing, that I'll be back as well as a president be back and

1229
01:40:58,580 --> 01:41:03,620
all the women from the six is back because I know she cares about food truck too that we all can

1230
01:41:03,620 --> 01:41:10,520
work together to get this done to address the licensees aspect of it because I know this is extremely important.

1231
01:41:10,640 --> 01:41:15,920
So with that, thank everybody for the long hearing and the questions and our expert do pass recommendation

1232
01:41:15,920 --> 01:41:19,340
and a four bill 152 committee substitute as amended.

1233
01:41:19,880 --> 01:41:21,540
Thank you so much, Alderman.

1234
01:41:21,740 --> 01:41:22,340
I appreciate it.

1235
01:41:22,540 --> 01:41:25,000
I agree we've had quite a robust discussion here

1236
01:41:25,000 --> 01:41:28,400
and it sounds like lots of discussion has happened in the past

1237
01:41:28,400 --> 01:41:31,420
and in more still to come, I'm sure.

1238
01:41:32,620 --> 01:41:35,480
So with that, I will entertain a motion for a due pass recommendation

1239
01:41:35,480 --> 01:41:39,020
of board bill number 152 committee substitute as amended.

1240
01:41:39,680 --> 01:41:44,360
I move that we pass board bill 152 or committee substitute

1241
01:41:44,360 --> 01:41:46,460
for Board Bill 152 out of this committee

1242
01:41:46,460 --> 01:41:47,580
with the due pass recommendation.

1243
01:41:49,120 --> 01:41:49,820
Okay, okay.

1244
01:41:49,820 --> 01:41:50,040
Second.

1245
01:41:50,500 --> 01:41:50,700
All right.

1246
01:41:50,880 --> 01:41:52,440
We're going to move by the Alderman

1247
01:41:52,440 --> 01:41:53,700
from the 6th ward.

1248
01:41:53,820 --> 01:41:55,440
Seconded by the Alderman from the 8th

1249
01:41:55,440 --> 01:41:57,820
that we pass Board Bill 152 committee

1250
01:41:57,820 --> 01:41:58,860
substitute as amended

1251
01:41:58,860 --> 01:42:00,320
with the due pass recommendation.

1252
01:42:00,860 --> 01:42:02,540
Madam Clerk, please call the roll.

1253
01:42:02,980 --> 01:42:04,160
Autumn in the Ryan.

1254
01:42:04,640 --> 01:42:04,780
Five.

1255
01:42:06,980 --> 01:42:08,040
Autumn in Brownie.

1256
01:42:08,460 --> 01:42:08,560
No.

1257
01:42:10,610 --> 01:42:11,830
Vice Chair for the last case.

1258
01:42:11,830 --> 01:42:12,750
I.

1259
01:42:14,430 --> 01:42:15,130
Autumn and Audrey.

1260
01:42:16,650 --> 01:42:16,850
I.

1261
01:42:18,230 --> 01:42:18,810
Autumn and Audrey.

1262
01:42:20,670 --> 01:42:21,150
I.

1263
01:42:21,930 --> 01:42:22,410
Chair.

1264
01:42:22,530 --> 01:42:23,430
Chair Schweizer.

1265
01:42:25,430 --> 01:42:25,670
Five.

1266
01:42:25,850 --> 01:42:26,090
I vote.

1267
01:42:26,410 --> 01:42:26,490
One.

1268
01:42:26,870 --> 01:42:28,810
You buy your vote.

1269
01:42:28,830 --> 01:42:31,970
You have to stay in the motion of the Alder one in from the six for it.

1270
01:42:32,050 --> 01:42:36,850
And pass board bill 152 committee substitute as amended out of committee with a due pass recommendation.

1271
01:42:37,470 --> 01:42:38,250
Thank you, Alderman.

1272
01:42:38,250 --> 01:42:42,070
We have no resolutions for review, no committee discussions,

1273
01:42:42,390 --> 01:42:44,010
battle clerk, do we have any written testimony?

1274
01:42:45,110 --> 01:42:45,670
We have them.

1275
01:42:46,510 --> 01:42:48,070
Any announcements from members of the committee?

1276
01:42:50,590 --> 01:42:52,390
Hearing none, all members were present today,

1277
01:42:52,610 --> 01:42:54,010
so we have no excused members,

1278
01:42:54,230 --> 01:42:55,910
and with that, I will entertain a motion to adjourn.

1279
01:42:57,190 --> 01:42:57,410
Second.

1280
01:42:58,790 --> 01:43:01,090
All those in favor, signify by saying aye.

1281
01:43:01,830 --> 01:43:02,530
Who might the motion?

1282
01:43:02,710 --> 01:43:05,910
Aldermen from the 9th, may the motion seconded by the Aldermen from the 14th,

1283
01:43:05,910 --> 01:43:11,010
all of our favorite, and we are adjourned. Thank you.