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Good evening, Salem, and welcome to the September 14th meeting of the Town Council.

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If everyone would please join me and rise up and pledge the allegiance.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for

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which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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I thank everyone. I will start off by asking Ms. Withrow for the minutes.

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I would move the August 3rd, 2026 public session.

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Second.

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Motion to be made and seconded. All those in favor?

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That's seven to zero at the moment.

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Go ahead.

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I would move August 17, 2026 public session.

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Second.

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Motion to be made and seconded. All those in favor? Okay, that takes care of that.

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And see, that's why I did that for us.

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Good job.

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The Chairman will have no comments tonight.

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The agenda was long enough without me babbling about something.

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So I'm going to move on with the introductions around the table.

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To my far left is Mr. D.J. Bettencourt.

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Good evening.

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To his right is Keith Stremalia.

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Good evening.

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To his right is Paul Pelletier.

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Good evening, sir.

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To my immediate left is the Vice-Chair, Mr. Sweeney, Joe Sweeney.

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To my immediate right is the Board Secretary, and that is Lisa Withrow.

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Good evening.

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To her right, Kathy Stacey.

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Good evening, Mr. Chair.

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And all the way over to the far right here is Bonnie Wright.

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Hello, Salem.

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And then finally the Town Manager, Mr. Joe Devine.

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Good evening.

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My name is Bob Bryant, and it has been an honor for me to serve in this position.

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So we'll move with the Consent Agenda. If anybody has a motion, I'll take it.

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Go ahead, Mr. Sweeney.

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Mr. Chairman, at this time I move we adopt the September 14th Consent Agenda.

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Second.

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Motion has been made and seconded. Should we read all this stuff first?

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We should, right?

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What's that?

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We should, right?

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We should, yes.

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As part of the Consent Agenda, I'll read the following.

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The community service department has received a $2,500 gift from the Friendship and Garden

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Club plantings at Hedgehog Park.

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The Friends of Salem recreation have donated $400 towards plantings also at Hedgehog Park.

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The Friends of Chris Tardiff, $50 to senior services.

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The police department has received the following donations, CLMN Enterprises, $500 for national

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National Night Out, Lowell 5, $250 for National Night Out, the Route 97 Automotive, $500 for

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National Night Out, Salem Lions Club, $500 for National Night Out, and Stand Up Salem

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has donated $2,726.05 to Community Services Unit.

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Municipal Services Department has received a donation of $500 from the Salem Area

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Free a women's club, free library shed at the Town Hall, and I think that's it.

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So that's all part of the consent agenda, which I have a motion and a second on.

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Anybody else have anything?

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All those in favor?

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And we're at 8 to 0.

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Thank you very much.

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Page 2 of a bunch.

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Additions in are requested by the public.

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There was nothing up on the podium, so we're going to move to Employee of the Month.

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Mr. Devine.

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So we're going to be recognizing the August and September Employee of the Months

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today.

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I'm going to start with the August Employee of the Month, which was Officer Mike Cummings.

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Chief Dolan, if you want to come up and just say a few words about Officer Cummings.

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Thank you, Mr. Manager.

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Good evening.

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My name is Joel Dolan.

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It is my honor to serve as your Chief of Police.

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Hello, Councilor, Mr. Chair.

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And I am pleased to introduce Mike Cummings as the August Employee of the Month.

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Mike received six nominations, which I think is certainly a record from coming from

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within my department of our nominees, and as you'll hear, they're extremely well-deserved.

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And the theme remained consistent throughout all of them.

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Mike is currently assigned to the Special Services Division as one of our community

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problem-oriented police officers.

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In over 12 years with the Salem Police Department, Mike has earned a reputation as someone

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others can count on.

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He is consistently described as professional, hardworking, positive, patient, and always

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willing to step in and help, regardless of whether the task falls within his normal responsibilities.

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What stood out most in the nominations was the impact Mike had over the new employees.

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As a failed training officer and a member of special services, he has become somewhat

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new officers and employees naturally turned to for guidance.

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One of our newest employees specifically described how Mike took the time to teach, answer

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questions, coordinate additional training, assist with calls, and even make sure

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they had everything they needed when purchasing their first uniforms.

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That same willingness to extend, to help extents throughout the department from training interns

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and assisting fellow officers to supporting department projects and representing us at

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community events.

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Most importantly, Mike does all of this with a positive attitude and a smile and to

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prove his dedication.

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He's actually here on his day off and night off.

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He came in for his recognition.

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So for his professionalism, mentorship, dedication to his co-workers, and 12 years of service

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to the Salem community, it is my pleasure to recognize Officer Mike Cummings as the

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August employee of the month.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Well,

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you got all dressed up.

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Congratulations.

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Congratulations.

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Thank you so much.

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Thank you so much.

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Congrats, Mike.

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Thanks.

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Thanks for what you do.

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Thank you.

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Appreciate it.

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Picture?

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And next will be our September employee of the month.

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Our September employee month was Bridget Garde, Bridget's administrative secretary in the planning

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division and Jacob LaFontaine is here to speak about Bridget a little bit.

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Thank you council.

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Jacob LaFontaine, planning director.

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Many of you know Bridget. She serves in a position that really is kind of the front of house of Town Hall.

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Her Diane and Pam are kind of the face of Town Hall, if you will.

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And she's typically the first point of contact for residents, contractors, and developers,

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and she consistently provides excellent customer service.

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She approaches every interaction with patients, professionalism, and a helpful attitude

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and ensure that community members feel supported and informed as they navigate the land use

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and permanent process.

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For professionalism, kindness and dedication make a meaningful difference in the experience

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of everyone who interacts with our office and positive feedback and compliments are

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routinely received from the public regarding Bridget's performance.

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That's not always the case in Zona as you can imagine, but with Bridget it's very

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unique people are routinely coming in compliment and unprompted about the experience they had

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with Bridget. And this is exemplified by a recent email received by residents Pam and

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John Quigley who came to Town Hall for a zoning inquiry, which they later referred to as

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a purely delightful visit, which I don't think is always the case. But in this instance

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they just said, yeah.

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This remisses Quigley noted that Bridget went overboard in their opinion to try

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and help them. She listened and explained in an understandable language what was needed.

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She provided a map and material showing their property lines. She never rushed them and made

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sure they didn't have any questions. She gave them a copy of the tax map for their files

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and made the whole visit easy.

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Mr. and Mrs. Quigley noted that their visit to Town Hall made them glad to know they

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have people like Bridget represent in our town. It's truly been a joy to work

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alongside Bridget. She approaches every interaction with positive attitude and a genuine willingness

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to help. The town of Salem is lucky to have people like her and it is great to see her

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to receive this recognition that she's so deserving of.

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You're welcome.

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Thank you, Shod.

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Hi.

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Good job.

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Congratulations.

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Thank you.

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No, but this came with a ticket to Hawaii.

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Oh, it does?

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Congratulations.

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Thank you.

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Congratulations.

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Good work.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thanks so much.

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Very nice.

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Thank you.

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Jacob, come on, Jacob.

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Jacob, come on down here.

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Yeah.

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You don't get away.

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Okay,

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next up item number seven on the list is Municipal Building Advisory Committee, Mr.

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Devine.

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So next on our agenda tonight is going to be MBAC and T-GAS, which is our architect,

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reviewing the conceptual design for self-fire.

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I would invite Facility Superintendent MBAC Chair James Pacheco to the mic to take

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off the presentation.

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Good evening, everybody.

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My name is James Chico. I am the superintendent of facilities as well as the impact chair.

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So today I am here to present the South Fire Station project to everybody.

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It's a pretty exciting second project that we have as we were just about to finish up the first project of the Salem Police Station.

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It's a little bit of background information.

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South Fire Station project had a building index of 36.

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So, as you all know, we started last year, the BCI report, where we went around and scored

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every single one of our buildings a number behind the project.

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36 are the South Fire Station, one of our lowest scoring buildings, minus our, you

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know, Millville, Bathhouse and smaller buildings in that nature.

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So this existing facility has numerous deficiencies that need to be addressed, space needs,

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needs, ADA compliance, health concerns for employees, asbestos throughout the building,

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no dedicated contamination control zone.

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So it has no decomp area for anyone to come into.

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So right now our firefighters, as they enter the building, they are bringing everything

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from a call with them into this building.

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So one of the things that are one of the major needs for this building is an area

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that has that.

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There's no energy efficiency, or it's not energy efficient, sorry.

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And there's no gender restrooms or showers.

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Next slide.

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But the key project dates that we've had is May 20th of 2024, the Town Council authorized

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$123,300 of opera funds for the exceptional design of Fire Station 3.

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On December 9th of 2024, the Town Council authorized $76,000 for PSIF for exceptional

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design and cell station in August.

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On April 7th, 2025, Town Council supported a new construction option as preferred for

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the options for a cell station, which was through the design we had figured out that

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we needed to knock down the entire building and through that process we went forward with

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adding a third bay to that station.

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In December 15th to 25th, Town Council authorized $150,000 of PSFI funds for the next phase

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design and engineering of cell station on a June 1st of 2026, Town Council endorsed the

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cell fire station reconstruction project with the inclusion of the 27 warrant and ballot

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and with the authorization of MBAC and the fire department began planning the public outreach

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for the related project. So as we now move forward, TGAS has continued to work on schematic

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design of this project and there's been an internal working group behind it going through

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the design of the self-fire station in oh that's okay so now I'm going to be

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forth Ted Galant from TGAS Group to show the the design of the self-fire

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station.

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everyone. Good evening. Nice to see you all again.

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excited about this project because they really really need this building. What

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they have now is in tough shape and I think we have a good solution that I think

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is gonna work well and we're gonna show it to you any second now. I'm just

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building suspense for everybody.

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In the meantime, I'll just talk about the police

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station because I'm really excited. The police station is turning out. The

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building looks fantastic. It's lit up well. It's welcoming. It's inviting.

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It's a nice, durable, handsome building. I'm very proud of that building.

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So I'm looking forward to getting that open and ready to roll for the police department.

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We are too.

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Thank you, Joe.

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So the replacing fire station three, it's in the south as it's known, we're modifying

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the site plan a little bit, putting the building pretty much where it is and it's really

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a two-part building.

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There's the apparatus base side and there's the living quarters side and then there's a little you know

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That there's a turnaround a drive-through as it were with the

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There's a generator in the corner there, and so there's parking off to the front, apparatus

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can come out of the front, and there's a, the overall site plan is kind of contained and

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compact and organized around the existing building.

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Next slide, please. Floor plan is pretty simple. We use these colors intentionally. The red

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is the hot zone where the vehicles come in, a lot of their turnout gear is stored.

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there's a room specifically for decontamination. The yellow areas are in between the hot zone

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and they're called a transition zone. They're in yellow. And on the right-hand side of the

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plan, there's some support spaces there. And then there's a few of them scattered about,

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one is known as the dirty restroom where the firefighters can take off their turnout

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gear, go into that restroom, clean up, and then go into the green zone. And so these

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These are physical separations, as well as HVAC separations.

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We pressurize the zones differently, and the current building is missing that, and that

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will go a long way to firefighter health, which is what we're really focusing on.

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The green area is the living quarters.

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There are some bunk rooms on the left-hand side, kitchen and dining area up in the

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top of the plan, and entrance down at the bottom of the plan.

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Next slide.

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There's a little mezzanine because, you know, when we're storing firetrucks,

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There's a really tall ceiling, but the support spaces only need to be eight or nine feet,

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and then above that.

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So we use that space efficiently, and so we're putting a mezzanine in that portion

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of the building.

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That's also a hot zone.

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It's in red, and we're trying to put some training props in there, so a confined space

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training because there's a manhole cover that we can lower someone down with a tripod

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or there's a window to practice pulling somebody out of the window, those kinds

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of training exercises that the firefighters need to do.

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The building starts to look like this.

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On the right-hand side is the apparatus bay.

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We have the name of the building along the top.

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There's three apparatus bays on the right.

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On the left is the entrance with a tiny little tower, sort of announcing entrance a little

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different than the other portions of the building.

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building, and then the living quarters on the far left. It's a combination of masonry

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and cement board panel is what we're using to articulate parts of the building but keep

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it in the vernacular of a fire station. Just some interior views. We're starting to think

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about exterior materials. We're in the design development process, so there's a lot

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of pieces that are being developed. The interiors, we haven't started selecting finishes and talking

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to the fire department about that, so that's the next layer that we'll put in there, but

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you start to see dining areas and, you know, there's a day room where the people can sit

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and watch TV and wait for the next call and that sort of thing. So there's a way of

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relaxing and a way of working in that area. This is a perspective of that. The next

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slide please. Typical bunk room, each would have their gender neutral rooms and so each

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would have, there's one bed in the room and then there's four lockers and each shift has

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their own bed clothes, they can keep their clothes in there. They come to work, change

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into their uniform. Those are lockable and so each bunk room has that little desk,

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sleeping area and storage. Next slide. This is the apparatus bay that I talked

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talked about where there's the overall floor, where the trucks would be stored with the

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overhead doors, the support spaces, the lower space with the doors along the far right side

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of the slide, and then a stair up to the mezzanine, and beyond the column kind of in the middle

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of the drawing you see a little window, and that's one of the windows that they might

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set up a ladder and practice extraction, for example, something like that.

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On that mezzanine, down into one of those rooms is where they would have the training

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prop where the manhole cover for confined space training, things like that.

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And then really just going around the building from the – we don't ever see the building

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like this, but these are elevations that we draw to show what the building would look

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like.

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And so it's Station 3, and so then 3 is on the side, Salem Fire, the entrance

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on the left, the apparatus bay on the right.

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next slide looking from these these are smaller windows that are into the

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bunk room area so each bunk room would have natural daylight with window shades

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because firefighters really like it dark but would have window shades in there

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next slide from the rear of the building the three apparatus bay doors

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on the on the left hand side and then the living quarters on the right hand

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side and the next one and that's really just there's some high windows

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windows in the apparatus bay to get some natural light into the building. They're actually

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up on the Mezzanine area. And so there's some windows along there, an overhead door at the

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fitness room, and some windows and doors that open up to go outside from the kitchen area.

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So that's basically where the building is. I think we are delivering a set of design

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development documents in the middle of November, and I think Mark LaHulier will

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talk a little bit about budget and schedule. Thank you. Good evening,

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everybody. My name is Mark LaHulier. I'm with the training group and we've been the

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only project manager for several projects here in town. You'll recall as we were

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going through the process on the South Fire Station that about a year and a half ago

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or so, we looked at three different options and the town council back a year or so ago

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agreed that the appropriate path would be to take the building down and replace it.

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Since then, we've had a couple of conceptual designs that TGAS has been working through,

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and obviously we're settled on this concept.

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Budget is always a concern.

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You'll recall, I think about a year or so ago, that as we went through those three

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of four different scenarios, we're ranging for all-in costs of somewhere just under $10

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million to around $11 million. And that would include all of the costs for the project,

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high construction costs, contingencies, soft costs, and some relocation costs.

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Since that time, we went through two separate budget exercises, and we were always still

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hovering in that $10 million range, all told.

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And this recent effort, we just completed a couple or a week and a half ago or so,

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and we are just over that $10 million mark so right now things are still

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trending you know within what the original concept was we did have to make

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some value engineering efforts in order to to keep things at that ten you

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know near that $10 million range and most of those types of things they

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about $470,000 of changes that TGAS and the committee were able to consider to get us there.

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So I'll told, we're trending as we were hoping or expecting about a year and a half ago,

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which in this day and age is a good thing. So as Ted indicated, we've released them

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to continue with the design development and we'll go through another estimating and budget

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phase and expect to have that total warrant article dollar amount around the first or

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so of December.

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Any questions?

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Fantastic. Questions? No, I think we're ready to move on.

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All right.

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Well, thank you.

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Thank you.

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So I promise I'll get better as I do more of these type of things when I talk and

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I promise.

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That's okay.

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So so last slide we have the South fire station finance group working group as you recall during the PD process

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We had a finance committee that set up and looked over the finance of the project

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So what we were asking for men back and from the council is to

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Select our request that the or for you guys to select two members from town council for this finance working group

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Request that the budget committee select two members and that the finance committee select one member, please

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okay

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Okay, I'm open to anybody who would love to volunteer for a fire project of this size.

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Maybe somebody that used to own an antique flyer truck.

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I still do.

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Oh, you still do?

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You just push that one out and put the other one back in.

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So I've got Keith, anybody else want to do it?

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Okay, great.

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So you've got your two.

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I appreciate it.

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We also have the chief here as well, if anyone has any questions for the chief.

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Oh yeah, if anybody has any questions.

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I only have one question, chief, and I know this is probably going to create a need for more budgetary issues down the line.

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But all the equipment they're talking about to help your firefighters get into what they call a clean area

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Yes.

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And not be adjacent to all that nasty stuff that you bring back, is that all currently

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available in any of our other facilities?

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Somewhat in North Salem.

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Somewhat.

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A little.

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It's not.

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That would be the most recent.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's not perfect in North Salem, but it's better than Central and Station 3.

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Central and Station 3 do not have that.

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Just started to ask,

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yeah, we want to be kept abreast of that situation, but anybody else

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have any?

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Oh, Lisa, I'm sorry.

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That's okay.

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Is this planned at all for expansion?

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Is there any need for expansion?

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How long do you anticipate this being suitable for what we need?

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I believe this would be suitable for that district for decades.

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Yeah, I don't anticipate that we would add staffing at that district.

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we're at five now and you know I think that that's the right number for that

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for that district so if we were ever to expand I think it would be somewhere else

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perfect thank you yep okay anything else for anybody thank you I appreciate it

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thank you all yeah thank you yeah somebody want to make a motion to a

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point go please this time I move that the town council appoints Lisa

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of Withrow and Keith Stramaglia to the Self-Fire Station Finance Working Group, request that

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the Budget Committee appoint two members to the Self-Fire Station Finance Working Group,

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and further request the Finance Committee appoint one member to the Self-Fire Station Finance

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Working Group.

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Second.

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Motion has been made.

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It's seconded by Kathy Stacey.

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Any further discussion?

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Not seeing any.

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All those in favor?

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We have it.

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Eight to zero.

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Thank you.

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Thank you to the volunteers too.

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Okay, number eight, first read of a resolution.

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So this will be first read of resolution 2026-14 of the Union Development Department,

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which is to consider the amendment to a commercial tax credit program.

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If you recall back, I believe it was June or maybe the first meeting in July,

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there was a proposal before the council.

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You had tabled it at that point for further discussion.

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So we have tweaked it and we are bringing it back before you guys.

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The Economic Development Committee also has reviewed this as well, just to gain support

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or see other changes at their August 18 meeting.

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Assistant planner, Crane Brubaker.

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First time announced of that.

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See that?

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So, it's here to speak a little bit more about it.

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Hi, members of the Council.

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So like Mr. Devine mentioned, these are some recommended updates to the Salem

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commercial and industrial property tax program in light of kind of the past three applications

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now that we've had some time to digest the program and look at what can be improved.

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We're bringing these recommended changes to you. Just a little bit of background in June 24,

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the council passed the program as an economic development tool for the town.

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In November 2024, we tweaked it a little bit to update the defined uses, amend the tax

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relief period and increase the number of public benefits needed and again as town

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staff has further reviewed the program we're bringing forth these changes kind

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of a high-level overview of the changes are updating and adding of certain

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definitions of terms moving the qualified area of Salem from the

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whole town to all non-residential districts so commercial industrial or

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mixed use or the districts that it's allowed in, kind of focusing, looking at Salem, there's

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not a whole lot of undeveloped land left. So kind of transitioning the thought process

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of the program to be more redevelopment focused, revamping of the public benefit section to

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include some mandatory public benefits and then some additional ones that applicants

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need to achieve as well as clarifying the application process and including the

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EDC in the process with a recommendation to the council. And again, the EDC looked

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at these changes at their last meeting and recommended unanimously and I'm

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happy to answer any questions. Questions? Ms. Withrow. So I have a few. I have a

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couple on specifics to the plan and then a big picture one, but I'll go with

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the smaller ones first. So I think it was in section 8-2. There's no

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specific value to increase commercial industrial activity, any business expectation of growth

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qualifies. So I know like there was last time there was some talk about what kind of jobs

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we're bringing in.

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But it seems like it's not limiting anything, so it's any kind of improvement would qualify. Is that correct?

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Yes, so for a point to the kind of thought process of the mandatory benefits are to keep them more generalized. Yeah.

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So we couldn't use that. I just, I'm looking forward, right?

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I just don't want somebody saying, well, those aren't good enough jobs. We're not going to allow it.

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So do we need to put any language in there to say not specifically for any specific kind of job or job qualifications?

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I'm just I'm thinking out loud your fields. Just want to put it out there. We could we could take a look at that

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I think the

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It's kind of hard to quantify certain certain jobs with such a broad

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Array of businesses that we have in Salem, but we could certainly take a look at that if you'd like

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I want to be shut somebody shut down later. Yeah. Yeah, I think I think and if you're coming in for the program and you're expending your business or

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or revitalizing your building, things like that.

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I think just about anything that adds to your business

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or expands upon that would qualify for that.

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Absolutely, continue.

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I think I'm gonna, thank you.

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I think I'm gonna go to big picture on this one.

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When we first looked at this,

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it was my understanding that it was gonna be revitalization.

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To me, that's updating dilapidated properties.

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It's not stick built from a blank piece of land.

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So this includes all of that. I personally have a problem with that thinking on the town's behalf

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I mean, it's great for people coming in and I don't want to be you know

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Bad to any business that wants to come in but personally I feel that that's leaving money on the table if somebody is going for the town

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If somebody's gonna come in and build a building on a blank piece of land

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They've done the math and it's gonna be beneficial to them

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It's more beneficial and it's what they're gonna do it regardless

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So the town should be making the tax money on that if somebody is gonna put the money into

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fixing what's already there and looking bad for the town.

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I think that's where the focus of this should be.

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That was my understanding from the beginning

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and that's my expectation now of what I would support.

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I wouldn't support this for new build construction.

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Yep, so in this program,

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we kind of break it out into two tables.

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So we call it additions, renovations,

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substantial rehabilitation or replacement

472
00:32:15,060 --> 00:32:16,180
of qualifying structures.

473
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,340
That's just any structure that's currently existing.

474
00:32:19,220 --> 00:32:23,980
that it has the full same property tax exemption and then anything for new

475
00:32:23,980 --> 00:32:30,700
construction is proposed at zero in that. So they would not get any benefit.

476
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:35,360
Correct. If this program were passed the new construction would not be eligible

477
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:40,020
for the program. Okay so I think it references new construction in this

478
00:32:40,020 --> 00:32:42,520
document a few times so you know I'll be honest I didn't read through that

479
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:50,000
table totally. But I did see a lot of references to new construction. Then to now I want to

480
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:54,580
touch on the structure. Can somebody throw a shed there for two years on a blank piece

481
00:32:54,580 --> 00:32:57,420
of property and now all of a sudden they're going to get this break because they pulled

482
00:32:57,420 --> 00:33:00,440
that down while they're waiting to go through the permitting process and they get a break?

483
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:02,840
So I think we might need to clarify that a little bit.

484
00:33:03,580 --> 00:33:09,060
So we added the term new construction in the definition to put it in that second

485
00:33:09,060 --> 00:33:16,960
table and to say that it would be proposed with zero percent with no increase in assessment.

486
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:22,220
And that's just kind of how the, because of the way the RSA is written, but as proposed,

487
00:33:22,420 --> 00:33:23,200
it's not in there.

488
00:33:23,660 --> 00:33:28,220
Or we added a definition and then we said, if this is new construction, it's basically

489
00:33:28,220 --> 00:33:29,800
ineligible for this program.

490
00:33:30,060 --> 00:33:30,300
Okay.

491
00:33:30,500 --> 00:33:33,940
So should we qualify what a structure, define what a structure is then?

492
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,640
We do define what a structure is.

493
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,480
and I believe new construction is, so in 6.7,

494
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,320
it's the completion of a new building or structure

495
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,020
on previously undeveloped or currently vacant land

496
00:33:46,020 --> 00:33:48,200
where buildings were removed more than two years ago

497
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:49,040
before the application.

498
00:33:49,100 --> 00:33:50,540
Yeah, and if I, one more?

499
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:51,700
I mean, tie to it.

500
00:33:51,700 --> 00:33:51,940
Yeah, go ahead.

501
00:33:52,300 --> 00:33:56,160
So my concern is the definition of structure, right?

502
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:57,580
So I understand that it's not qualifying

503
00:33:57,580 --> 00:34:01,100
for certain things, but if there's a blank piece

504
00:34:01,100 --> 00:34:03,000
of property, an empty piece of property, just dirt,

505
00:34:03,220 --> 00:34:04,520
and somebody puts a shed there

506
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:08,320
And they know that they're going to, you know, maybe a little bit of vigor than a shit, right?

507
00:34:08,500 --> 00:34:09,720
And they know that they're going to buy it.

508
00:34:09,780 --> 00:34:10,860
They know they're going to develop it.

509
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:11,940
They know they're going through the process.

510
00:34:12,100 --> 00:34:14,940
And it's going to take two years to get through all that property, all that process.

511
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:16,700
Now there is a structure on there.

512
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:21,380
So it kind of circumnavigates the intent of this.

513
00:34:21,580 --> 00:34:25,760
So I think maybe we should whittle down a better definition of structure.

514
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:35,360
we can do that the currently the qualifying structure is in that definition it says the addition

515
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:42,400
renovation substantial rehab or replacement so it kind of outlined specifically those those four

516
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:47,980
things and does not would not include so I think if you come in with a shed and call that new

517
00:34:47,980 --> 00:34:52,320
construction I don't think that could be that wouldn't be well they say in that case they're

518
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,240
to be replacing it with something more than 20% bigger than it.

519
00:34:55,780 --> 00:34:57,800
So it would look like they qualify, right?

520
00:34:59,340 --> 00:35:03,560
If they were, I guess if there's a shed, yeah, and they replaced the shed.

521
00:35:04,500 --> 00:35:10,280
So I think we need to qualify a little bit what a structure would be, just to protect

522
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:11,140
the town moving forward.

523
00:35:11,340 --> 00:35:11,980
This is my opinion.

524
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:12,720
Okay.

525
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:13,240
Thank you.

526
00:35:13,300 --> 00:35:13,660
Take a look at that.

527
00:35:14,260 --> 00:35:14,860
You good?

528
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:15,800
Yes, thank you.

529
00:35:16,420 --> 00:35:16,640
Absolutely.

530
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:18,340
I got it.

531
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:19,580
I'm on you, Joe.

532
00:35:19,580 --> 00:35:23,160
So I saw you before I turn, I just wanted to make sure she was good.

533
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:24,100
She had several questions.

534
00:35:24,340 --> 00:35:24,600
You're up.

535
00:35:25,020 --> 00:35:25,460
Thank you.

536
00:35:25,700 --> 00:35:31,100
Off of that, off of what Councilor Withrow raised, how would we define you got a parking

537
00:35:31,100 --> 00:35:35,240
lot that's just a flat surface lot and somebody's coming in and they're going to revitalize

538
00:35:35,240 --> 00:35:40,560
their property and they're just going to build infill office building on the corner

539
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:41,420
of the parking lot?

540
00:35:41,660 --> 00:35:44,140
Is that new construction, is that revitalization?

541
00:35:45,700 --> 00:35:47,680
How does that, where do we define that?

542
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,600
because it could be if they're not keep it if they're not touching their existing property,

543
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:57,680
but they have you know 30 spots or whatnot or whatever maybe they're building a garage or

544
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:02,760
something and because we have giant we have these giant parking lots right and I want I want to

545
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:07,740
develop the parking lots keep the grass in the trees where they are and just build up on

546
00:36:07,740 --> 00:36:13,380
the parking lots that's that's my interest here is that new construction is that revitalization

547
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,600
to me that's new construction because I think they're gonna do it regardless of

548
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:25,440
this program so why wouldn't the town get the money in the taxes to help offset

549
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:29,720
residential taxes in a situation where they're going to do it regardless rather

550
00:36:29,720 --> 00:36:34,020
than a motivation to hey this place looks bad let's fix it for the time

551
00:36:34,020 --> 00:36:38,660
in other words stop playing the angles yeah okay I just don't know where it

552
00:36:38,660 --> 00:36:39,360
to apply to that.

553
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,060
If we're describing that infill development

554
00:36:44,060 --> 00:36:45,680
on parking lots as new construction,

555
00:36:46,340 --> 00:36:49,660
then what actually is revitalization rehabbing?

556
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,720
Like if we want people to just rebuild the strip mall

557
00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:55,200
that they have in place, or build it taller

558
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:56,920
instead of building it along the road

559
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,520
like the depot plans were for,

560
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:03,640
or we're trying to fill in that already paved over space,

561
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,200
that's a, to me, the property is being revitalized.

562
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:12,960
we're just shifting around where people park on it versus where people work out of it.

563
00:37:13,860 --> 00:37:19,520
So I think – to your original point, to your original question, I think some sort

564
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:24,780
of clean metric where if you're creating X amount of jobs per the property value that

565
00:37:24,780 --> 00:37:28,760
is proposed to be increased, you qualify for the program.

566
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:33,120
If you're just going to be a large redevelopment that has a lot more property value but

567
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,600
it's not bringing those jobs, like I think we should treat it as a jobs program

568
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:41,440
where we want more people working in town because when they work here they shop

569
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:46,040
here they eat here they interact here and that's where we're going to see bigger

570
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:50,660
property value increase anyways to where if this is helping them hire more

571
00:37:50,660 --> 00:37:55,160
people or pay better benefits or what what have you that's where I see this

572
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:59,940
program maybe being refined to really thrive and we make it more of a we're

573
00:37:59,940 --> 00:38:05,300
focused on drawing in large employers to the town not necessarily the you

574
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,320
revitalizing the strip mall where they have 30 employees today and they're

575
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:13,480
gonna have 30 employees tomorrow sort of thing I don't know that's just

576
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:17,960
speaking out loud right we have like this is a working yeah well let me get

577
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,660
mr. Bettencourt in for the first time thank you mr. Chairman so the beginning

578
00:38:21,660 --> 00:38:27,600
part of that dialogue kind of dovetailed into my question which is I'm not

579
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:32,120
opposed to tax credits but when you have a tax credit there's obviously a

580
00:38:32,820 --> 00:38:37,480
loss of revenue on the front end that you hope to make back and, of course,

581
00:38:38,020 --> 00:38:43,180
exceed on the back end. So front end cost, back end you're going to pick that up

582
00:38:43,180 --> 00:38:48,080
and hopefully get more. So, and this may not be an answer that we have tonight,

583
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:52,700
but I'd love to know what the history of this tax credit has been in terms of

584
00:38:52,700 --> 00:38:58,720
the cost versus the benefit. So what's the ROI on this particular tax credit?

585
00:38:59,020 --> 00:39:01,600
Because if we're going to talk about how we're going to adjust it, I think

586
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:06,560
we need to have a better understanding of how it has performed historically and start

587
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,060
to try to target it that way in part.

588
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:15,060
You're up.

589
00:39:16,340 --> 00:39:20,980
So, to that question, the town has received three applications and two of them are approved.

590
00:39:21,420 --> 00:39:26,480
One was for the 142 Main Street for the day care that they renovated the right aid

591
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:27,100
into a day care.

592
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:32,800
The others are for the North Jewel buildings, Tuscan, and those have that tax exemption

593
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,760
has not gone into a fact that begins April 1st, 2027.

594
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,280
So we don't really have the metrics per se.

595
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,300
So what I'm hearing is that it's too soon to tell.

596
00:39:42,420 --> 00:39:43,820
So it's too soon to tell, but we're

597
00:39:43,820 --> 00:39:46,520
trying to figure out how we make adjustments to it already.

598
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:48,260
All right.

599
00:39:51,310 --> 00:39:52,490
You wanted to follow up with that?

600
00:39:52,490 --> 00:39:53,150
Yeah, if you don't mind.

601
00:39:53,870 --> 00:39:55,630
I just so I guess you said, where would it qualify?

602
00:39:56,110 --> 00:39:58,530
To me, my initial thought, how I took it,

603
00:39:58,590 --> 00:39:59,790
so this is what was in my brain.

604
00:40:00,410 --> 00:40:04,090
If there's a mall that's been there for 50 years

605
00:40:04,090 --> 00:40:08,730
and it looks old. And now we can use this in this test rather to motivate them to maybe

606
00:40:08,730 --> 00:40:11,870
make it a bigger building, a taller building, maybe instead of just that one little tiny

607
00:40:11,870 --> 00:40:16,230
strip mall, maybe it can be a taller, closer to the road, parking behind. So it's that

608
00:40:16,230 --> 00:40:21,330
kind of revitalization that I anticipated this being a motivator for, not new construction.

609
00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:35,210
You can. I agree because that is some conversation that I'm sitting directly in. And I'm thrilled

610
00:40:35,210 --> 00:40:40,190
with what's going on so far. Go ahead. I agree completely. We're also we're

611
00:40:40,190 --> 00:40:43,790
always not going to be here right so our vision of it is not going to matter

612
00:40:43,790 --> 00:40:47,610
and if ten years from now somebody's coming in with hey they're building on

613
00:40:47,610 --> 00:40:50,090
the edge of the parking lot and they're gonna tear down the existing

614
00:40:50,090 --> 00:40:54,450
structure and make that parking or make that a garage they look at the

615
00:40:54,450 --> 00:40:57,890
definition and that might be new construction that might be revitalization

616
00:40:57,890 --> 00:41:03,530
and it's just not crystal clear as to because I want that what you

617
00:41:03,530 --> 00:41:07,210
described is what I want. I want them to be building stuff on parking lots,

618
00:41:08,230 --> 00:41:12,330
revitalizing the overall property. It has a little bit of new construction to it

619
00:41:12,330 --> 00:41:15,190
because they're probably just going to tear down the existing structure for the

620
00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:20,730
parking and then build up along the road or build up anyway. So I just want

621
00:41:20,730 --> 00:41:24,230
to make sure that what we write in this gets to that because that's the

622
00:41:24,230 --> 00:41:28,250
point. That's the goal is to, and I think other, I think Rochester and

623
00:41:28,250 --> 00:41:31,810
other places have made it where if you do bring it up across the street

624
00:41:31,810 --> 00:41:36,350
and you build it up taller so that it has the property value increase, that's when you start

625
00:41:36,350 --> 00:41:41,330
qualifying for either this program or the 70-90. There's so many tools, right? There's so many

626
00:41:41,330 --> 00:41:44,990
tools that the state makes. We're going to have another one in a week for special assessments

627
00:41:44,990 --> 00:41:49,330
that's going to be big too, where people that are developing properties can bond out the

628
00:41:49,330 --> 00:41:54,010
infrastructure right through the town, which is great. Like if there's pipes or parking

629
00:41:54,010 --> 00:41:58,050
garages or stuff like that, that unlocks the development, they can now talk to us about

630
00:41:58,050 --> 00:42:01,750
it which is a whole different ballgame from this but I just want to make sure we

631
00:42:01,750 --> 00:42:05,610
have the tools right and I think the way you described it though I'm on board

632
00:42:05,610 --> 00:42:09,250
with I just want to make sure the definitions for new construction verse

633
00:42:09,250 --> 00:42:15,170
revitalization match that so if it's if it's infill commercial infill where

634
00:42:15,170 --> 00:42:18,510
they're building on a parking lot and revitalizing the property that way

635
00:42:18,510 --> 00:42:23,730
that's revitalization then I'm good with it it seems like Greaton's got a

636
00:42:23,730 --> 00:42:29,530
work cleaning this up. So sorry. A little dusting up today. I mean I know I'm most of

637
00:42:29,530 --> 00:42:33,330
the conflict here so I'm fine if you want to meet or if you want to email me

638
00:42:33,330 --> 00:42:37,950
or whatever and I can clarify my vision anyways. I'm happy to do that but I'd

639
00:42:37,950 --> 00:42:41,890
like to see I can't support it as is so I'd like to clean it up a little bit.

640
00:42:41,910 --> 00:42:45,610
Happy to work with you on the definitions. Thank you. This is DeVettancourt.

641
00:42:45,910 --> 00:42:49,010
Thank you. One last question. So once we clean it up we get it to where we

642
00:42:49,010 --> 00:42:54,510
want it to be the question for me then becomes what are we doing to promote the

643
00:42:54,510 --> 00:43:00,570
tax credit what are we doing to let developers and potential businesses

644
00:43:00,570 --> 00:43:05,130
that are looking at Salem what are we doing to make them aware that this tax

645
00:43:05,130 --> 00:43:09,410
credit exists because in their calculation when they're making choices

646
00:43:09,410 --> 00:43:13,270
about where they want to go I would assume that this is going to be part

647
00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:17,110
of the package that we are using to entice them here.

648
00:43:17,710 --> 00:43:21,850
So we currently, when developers are coming in, we make them aware of the program.

649
00:43:22,570 --> 00:43:24,710
The state through BEA also is aware of it.

650
00:43:24,850 --> 00:43:29,150
So when they're speaking to developers in other states, trying to get them to come

651
00:43:29,150 --> 00:43:32,690
into New Hampshire, they're using that as a selling point to bring them to Salem.

652
00:43:34,210 --> 00:43:36,730
Analogics, when they came to Salem, they knew about this program.

653
00:43:36,810 --> 00:43:40,970
They had made a commitment that they weren't going to use any tax exemption money when

654
00:43:40,970 --> 00:43:41,430
they did it.

655
00:43:41,430 --> 00:43:45,970
But they were aware of it, and so that's – using the state is really how we've been

656
00:43:45,970 --> 00:43:47,690
trying to utilize this at this point.

657
00:43:49,370 --> 00:43:51,250
You might want to think of other things too.

658
00:43:52,570 --> 00:43:52,950
Further?

659
00:43:54,010 --> 00:43:54,290
Great.

660
00:43:54,550 --> 00:43:54,870
If I may.

661
00:43:55,350 --> 00:43:55,690
Absolutely.

662
00:43:56,050 --> 00:43:56,210
Yeah.

663
00:43:56,690 --> 00:44:00,790
When we reviewed this with the EDC, we talked about how we promote our economic development

664
00:44:00,790 --> 00:44:04,150
programs, and currently we have this program and the ERZs.

665
00:44:04,310 --> 00:44:08,770
In January, the EDC held like a public workshop, and they were thinking once we

666
00:44:08,770 --> 00:44:13,810
We passed this amended program of doing something similar to that for this specific program.

667
00:44:14,810 --> 00:44:15,250
Great.

668
00:44:16,130 --> 00:44:16,510
Okay.

669
00:44:17,310 --> 00:44:18,450
So you're working with him?

670
00:44:19,930 --> 00:44:22,930
Can I ask my great friend a question?

671
00:44:23,350 --> 00:44:24,150
Sure, you may.

672
00:44:24,530 --> 00:44:28,550
Just for the process, do you mind if we do first reading motion tonight?

673
00:44:29,250 --> 00:44:33,350
Because it's the first reading and then secondly reading, we can amend it, we can make any

674
00:44:33,350 --> 00:44:34,010
changes to it.

675
00:44:34,130 --> 00:44:35,650
Just so that we're not...

676
00:44:35,650 --> 00:44:36,250
Holding it.

677
00:44:36,310 --> 00:44:36,450
Yeah.

678
00:44:36,770 --> 00:44:38,070
Yeah, we don't want to pick behind it.

679
00:44:38,070 --> 00:44:40,970
If you're good with it, then you guys can work in between.

680
00:44:41,670 --> 00:44:45,650
Yeah, and I know you and I are going back and forth, so when we talk, I'll talk to you

681
00:44:45,650 --> 00:44:46,530
and we'll make sure we're good.

682
00:44:46,670 --> 00:44:47,250
That sounds good.

683
00:44:49,270 --> 00:44:50,690
Your people talk to my people.

684
00:44:51,210 --> 00:44:51,770
Yeah, yeah.

685
00:44:52,470 --> 00:44:53,330
We know how that goes.

686
00:44:54,910 --> 00:44:55,630
Anything further?

687
00:44:56,970 --> 00:44:58,390
Mr. Brubaker, thank you very much.

688
00:44:58,590 --> 00:44:58,890
Thank you.

689
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:07,980
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. At this time, I move that the Salem Town Council hereby recognizes

690
00:45:07,980 --> 00:45:15,200
September 14th, 2026 as the first reading for consideration of resolution number 202614 to

691
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:20,220
consider amendments to the commercial tax credit program criteria. We further recommend a second

692
00:45:20,220 --> 00:45:26,880
reading be scheduled for September 28th, 2026. Seconded by Ms. Withrow. For the discussion

693
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:31,580
Not seeing any. All those in favor. That's eight to zero. Thank you very much.

694
00:45:34,210 --> 00:45:36,510
Next up be next up

695
00:45:36,510 --> 00:45:42,150
before resolution 2026 16, which is a request to unmerge some lots. NTC real estate development is

696
00:45:42,150 --> 00:45:45,610
asking to reverse an involuntary merger. Staff from assessing and planning found no

697
00:45:45,610 --> 00:45:50,330
sufficient evidence to support the request and identify no objection to this. Attorney Campbell

698
00:45:50,330 --> 00:45:54,530
is here to represent the applicant. You have questions for him.

699
00:45:59,650 --> 00:46:00,270
Mr. Campbell,

700
00:46:00,270 --> 00:46:02,270
Would you like to say something for us before we?

701
00:46:02,910 --> 00:46:04,670
Very little, Mr. Chairman, if I can.

702
00:46:05,530 --> 00:46:05,750
Okay.

703
00:46:06,090 --> 00:46:11,130
First, I want to thank the Council for putting this on their agenda and giving it consideration.

704
00:46:11,570 --> 00:46:15,730
For the record, my name is Attorney Bernard Campbell from the Office of Oman and Campbell Professional Association,

705
00:46:16,330 --> 00:46:20,630
and I appear this evening on behalf of NTC Real Estate Development, LLC.

706
00:46:21,710 --> 00:46:27,730
This property is detailed in a rather lengthy explanation letter that is addressed to the Chair,

707
00:46:27,730 --> 00:46:35,210
dated July 29, 2026. In the interim, I did have a brief conversation with Mr. LaFontaine,

708
00:46:35,350 --> 00:46:40,370
who called for some clarification. I think I gave him the clarification he was looking for.

709
00:46:41,170 --> 00:46:47,970
This property was divvied up into a bunch of lots back in 1952 by Bob Thorndike.

710
00:46:48,090 --> 00:46:52,450
That plan is recorded in the registry, copies in the plans.

711
00:46:52,450 --> 00:47:00,870
The only unique thing about this one is that although by 1966 they had merged it on the tax map,

712
00:47:01,350 --> 00:47:05,830
there were still separate conveyances going on as late as 1987.

713
00:47:06,890 --> 00:47:15,530
In other words, the owner's lots F, G and L, which by that time were all part of one tax lot,

714
00:47:15,530 --> 00:47:23,470
were conveyed by good roads in July of 1985, and I attached that deed, and lots J and K

715
00:47:23,470 --> 00:47:29,370
were not conveyed until October of 1987. So somewhere in there, there could have been,

716
00:47:29,390 --> 00:47:32,550
I guess, a claim by the town to say that they shouldn't have been able to separately

717
00:47:33,050 --> 00:47:38,390
convey them. I think it adds to our ability to say, well, they really weren't merged

718
00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:41,890
because the owner didn't believe it, and they conveyed it in two separate conveyances.

719
00:47:41,890 --> 00:47:51,610
So we're looking to separate three of the five lots leaving two, the two that are left merged.

720
00:47:52,170 --> 00:47:57,930
They have been used. There's a septic system on one of them and a sewer line,

721
00:47:58,090 --> 00:48:05,670
which actually serves the lot at ten shore and one across the street because of an easement that exists.

722
00:48:05,670 --> 00:48:12,350
this. So those were leaving not asking to separate those. The other two at the corner

723
00:48:12,350 --> 00:48:18,290
and one in the upper corner, we believe once if positive action is taken by the council,

724
00:48:19,430 --> 00:48:25,350
we may be looking at some kind of plan to redevelop them and bring them on the market. And I'll

725
00:48:25,350 --> 00:48:27,050
be back before the zoning board of adjustment.

726
00:48:28,030 --> 00:48:32,510
Okay. Questions of Attorney Campbell, if any.

727
00:48:32,930 --> 00:48:33,610
Just one quick one.

728
00:48:34,030 --> 00:48:35,190
Ms. Withrow, please.

729
00:48:35,850 --> 00:48:41,170
So the two lots that you are not unmerging, they are now going to be voluntarily merged.

730
00:48:41,290 --> 00:48:41,730
Is that correct?

731
00:48:42,550 --> 00:48:45,210
Our position is they probably exist voluntarily.

732
00:48:45,870 --> 00:48:55,230
If you look at the plan that was prepared by Meisner Brim, you'll see that those two lots, which are lots J and L,

733
00:48:56,410 --> 00:49:02,650
They essentially have been voluntarily merged by action, by virtue of the sewer line that goes through them.

734
00:49:03,190 --> 00:49:05,810
And then the septic system that's on lot J.

735
00:49:06,170 --> 00:49:07,570
Just wanted to be clear. Thank you.

736
00:49:09,670 --> 00:49:10,810
Anything else? Further?

737
00:49:13,510 --> 00:49:14,470
Motions? Questions?

738
00:49:15,830 --> 00:49:16,790
What do you think, Joe?

739
00:49:16,990 --> 00:49:17,610
Can you make the motion?

740
00:49:18,030 --> 00:49:18,170
Sure.

741
00:49:18,170 --> 00:49:23,790
Mr. Chairman, at this time I move that the Salem Town Council hereby recognize the September

742
00:49:23,790 --> 00:49:30,790
14th, 2026 as the first reading for consideration of Resolution Number 2026-16 to consider

743
00:49:30,790 --> 00:49:38,270
a request by NTC Real Estate Development LLC, represented by Attorney Bernard Campbell

744
00:49:38,270 --> 00:49:43,870
to unmerge lots at 5 Freire Street, map 15, lots 4848.

745
00:49:43,870 --> 00:49:49,730
We hereby recommend a second reading and public hearing be scheduled for September 28th, 2026.

746
00:49:49,930 --> 00:49:50,210
Second.

747
00:49:50,750 --> 00:49:54,830
Much have been made and seconded by Lisa Withrow.

748
00:49:55,630 --> 00:49:58,870
For the questions of discussion, not hearing any, all those in favor?

749
00:50:00,050 --> 00:50:00,950
Eight to zero.

750
00:50:01,150 --> 00:50:02,850
Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. Have a good evening.

751
00:50:03,390 --> 00:50:03,710
Thank you.

752
00:50:03,870 --> 00:50:04,690
You do the same.

753
00:50:06,470 --> 00:50:08,310
C. Resolution.

754
00:50:08,310 --> 00:50:12,950
Next we resolution 2026-17, which is from the finance department to review the time-wide

755
00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:13,470
fee schedule.

756
00:50:14,310 --> 00:50:17,830
Before Nicole gets up here, I just want to thank her and her team, if you weren't aware

757
00:50:17,830 --> 00:50:23,030
this week is finance and accounting week, recognition week, so thank you for all she

758
00:50:23,030 --> 00:50:23,290
does.

759
00:50:23,550 --> 00:50:26,650
I didn't know that either until Joe told me this happened, it's very exciting.

760
00:50:29,070 --> 00:50:33,070
So Nicole is here to speak about the fee schedule and some proposed changes.

761
00:50:33,830 --> 00:50:38,610
Good afternoon, Town Council, Nicole McGee, the finance director, and annually we review

762
00:50:38,610 --> 00:50:42,990
the fee schedule and adopt a fee schedule for the upcoming fiscal year, so that's what

763
00:50:42,990 --> 00:50:44,110
I'm here to do tonight.

764
00:50:45,030 --> 00:50:49,470
There were several, not as many as we have seen in the past, but several requests for

765
00:50:49,470 --> 00:50:51,510
things to be changed, so I'll just start right in.

766
00:50:52,150 --> 00:50:54,190
The first is the water and sewer rates.

767
00:50:54,650 --> 00:51:00,070
We are looking to increase the consumption rates for sewer from $5.75 per 100 cubic

768
00:51:00,070 --> 00:51:04,830
cubic feet to $6.15 per 100 cubic feet for water usage.

769
00:51:05,070 --> 00:51:08,510
We're looking to increase it from $4.75 per 100 cubic feet

770
00:51:08,510 --> 00:51:11,070
to $5.60 per 100 cubic feet.

771
00:51:11,770 --> 00:51:13,310
And then I also just put this disclaimer

772
00:51:13,310 --> 00:51:16,790
that for our Windham customers, we charge 15% more

773
00:51:16,790 --> 00:51:18,970
than what we charge our Salem customers.

774
00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:23,510
So the Windham fee would be $6.44 per 100 cubic feet.

775
00:51:24,990 --> 00:51:27,270
Next is the transfer station.

776
00:51:27,990 --> 00:51:34,250
They're looking to request to increase the landfill permit sticker from $60 to $70 again

777
00:51:34,250 --> 00:51:38,990
but keeping the caveat that residents that are 65 or older would be free.

778
00:51:39,370 --> 00:51:43,410
And then we are looking to add new fees for mattresses and box springs.

779
00:51:44,070 --> 00:51:46,550
We currently don't charge a separate fee for them.

780
00:51:46,670 --> 00:51:50,750
Looking to charge $7 for a mattress, $7 for a box spring.

781
00:51:51,430 --> 00:51:56,950
These would no longer be bulky coupon eligible items but a separate item that you would

782
00:51:56,950 --> 00:51:58,190
have to pay to dispose for.

783
00:52:00,490 --> 00:52:03,150
Additionally, good news.

784
00:52:03,890 --> 00:52:07,450
The bank has started charging us less for bad checks.

785
00:52:08,130 --> 00:52:10,010
So we are looking to reduce the fee

786
00:52:10,010 --> 00:52:13,290
that we charge for bad payment checks,

787
00:52:13,770 --> 00:52:16,610
uncollectable check fees, from $67 to $32.

788
00:52:17,490 --> 00:52:20,410
And then just clarifying that anything that gets processed

789
00:52:20,410 --> 00:52:21,450
through clerk works.

790
00:52:21,970 --> 00:52:26,130
Looking at we worked with the town clerk over this year

791
00:52:26,130 --> 00:52:29,490
and discovered that what clerk works is paying us is nothing,

792
00:52:29,850 --> 00:52:32,270
our charging us is nothing, so we would want to change

793
00:52:32,270 --> 00:52:35,610
the proposed fee to $25, which again is required by that RSA.

794
00:52:37,470 --> 00:52:41,050
And then last is just adding the commercial

795
00:52:41,050 --> 00:52:43,530
and industrial property tax exemption application

796
00:52:43,530 --> 00:52:45,050
to the fee schedule.

797
00:52:45,330 --> 00:52:46,710
It appears that we are charging this,

798
00:52:46,790 --> 00:52:47,870
but it's not on the fee schedule,

799
00:52:47,890 --> 00:52:50,110
so we want to have it included in the fee schedule.

800
00:52:51,390 --> 00:52:53,870
I'm sure we have questions, comments, and concerns.

801
00:52:53,870 --> 00:52:54,810
Ms. Desi.

802
00:52:54,890 --> 00:52:55,410
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

803
00:52:55,890 --> 00:53:01,730
So, Ms. McGee, let's talk about the mattresses, because we know that we have a significant

804
00:53:01,730 --> 00:53:03,970
amount of mattresses on a weekly basis.

805
00:53:04,810 --> 00:53:09,210
Do we know how much it costs us to get rid of those mattresses?

806
00:53:09,910 --> 00:53:11,950
Currently, it's part of our tonnage fees.

807
00:53:12,230 --> 00:53:18,470
So when coming up with the $7, I Googled what the weight above mattress would be,

808
00:53:18,470 --> 00:53:24,830
And then I just did that the weight and I calculated how much it is per ton and seven dollars at our current rates

809
00:53:24,830 --> 00:53:27,830
How much I would say it cost to dispose of a mattress?

810
00:53:29,250 --> 00:53:29,650
except

811
00:53:30,810 --> 00:53:31,210
except

812
00:53:32,490 --> 00:53:37,150
Except if you take it out of the house, and you leave it outside in the rain, and then you take it to the

813
00:53:38,670 --> 00:53:41,010
Station then it weighs almost three and a half times

814
00:53:42,290 --> 00:53:46,350
If you want to change it to 25 dollars, I'm okay with that. Yeah

815
00:53:46,350 --> 00:53:50,370
I watched I watched the guy struggle trying to get it out of the back of the truck it's reasonable

816
00:53:50,370 --> 00:53:57,410
I think that that yeah, I think that if you get a mattress in box spring at $25. I think that's reasonable. I

817
00:53:57,410 --> 00:53:57,630
agree

818
00:53:58,370 --> 00:54:03,590
I mean we're doing somewhere upwards of 90 mattresses a week and

819
00:54:04,170 --> 00:54:06,070
And the people that usually

820
00:54:06,650 --> 00:54:12,210
Deliver your mattresses in box bring them usually take them with you right so why they save them

821
00:54:12,210 --> 00:54:17,770
I don't know unless they're just getting rid of stuff and downsizing and whatever but

822
00:54:18,590 --> 00:54:22,770
Those things are really heavy. I watched the guy struggle at the I offered to help

823
00:54:22,770 --> 00:54:25,710
He said no, and I looked at it and it was dripping wet

824
00:54:26,790 --> 00:54:29,550
And he's never gonna get over that railing, but

825
00:54:30,510 --> 00:54:33,290
Yeah, I don't I don't see it $25 is being a problem

826
00:54:33,930 --> 00:54:37,770
Happy to amend it to $25. Yeah anybody

827
00:54:38,930 --> 00:54:40,570
opposed? No? Good. Okay.

828
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:47,060
That's two pieces. Instead of 14, it's 25. Yes.

829
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:51,740
So these are small changes, and we're adopting this for now, but I just want to be clear.

830
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:55,500
This is a temporary thing because the Finance Committee is going to review the whole fee

831
00:54:55,500 --> 00:54:56,360
schedule. Is that correct?

832
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:02,160
This would be in effect for January of 2027. I would imagine that the Finance Committee

833
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:06,180
is going to take a look at this in the next couple months, but there is a lot

834
00:55:06,180 --> 00:55:10,640
of content in the fee schedule. So I think to assume the finance committee could really

835
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:14,960
give it a thorough analysis in a few months, I don't think that that would be possible.

836
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:19,480
Can we modify it at any time? You can modify it at any time. And one thing

837
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:26,380
that I do want to point out also is that we do not, our solid waste contract is ending

838
00:55:26,380 --> 00:55:29,640
at the end of this year. We don't have the new rates. So I will be coming back

839
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:33,760
to the town council at some point between now and the end of the calendar year once

840
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:36,120
we have those rates to adjust our holler fees.

841
00:55:37,140 --> 00:55:37,500
Okay.

842
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:38,100
Thank you.

843
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:38,720
Okay.

844
00:55:39,740 --> 00:55:40,720
Mr. Palatier, please.

845
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:42,100
Thank you, Mr. DeVine.

846
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:49,900
Did I see a brief memo from you saying that there was an error in the water or sewer?

847
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,180
That was just in the calculations on the budget.

848
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:53,380
That had nothing to do with this.

849
00:55:53,540 --> 00:55:54,160
It's going to do with this?

850
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:54,920
Okay.

851
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:55,360
Thank you.

852
00:55:55,780 --> 00:55:56,040
All right.

853
00:55:56,060 --> 00:55:56,180
Great.

854
00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:59,280
Mr. Sweeney, did you have something else?

855
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,480
Councilor Sacey, ask the same question I was going to ask.

856
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:03,580
Okay, so I'm good.

857
00:56:04,140 --> 00:56:04,860
We're up to motions.

858
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:05,820
Oh, okay.

859
00:56:06,720 --> 00:56:07,620
Mr. Sweeney.

860
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:11,040
Mr. Chairman, at this time I move that the Salem, New Hampshire Council recognizes

861
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:19,340
September 14th, 2026 as the first reading for consideration of resolution number 202617

862
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:23,700
to adopt the 2027 town-wide fee schedule.

863
00:56:23,700 --> 00:56:33,460
We hereby recommend a second reading slash public hearing be scheduled for September 28th, 2026 second motion been made seconded by Miss Stacy all those in favor

864
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:36,380
Thank you zero

865
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:38,820
D resolution

866
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:40,640
2026 18

867
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:45,120
So for the next three, I'm going to invite the planning director to come up. So this will be for

868
00:56:45,660 --> 00:56:50,240
Resolution 2026 18 19 and 20 which are all going to be proposed zoning amendments

869
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:57,840
Again, Council, Jacob LaFontaine, your planning director, and we've been workshopping a series

870
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:02,660
of zoning amendments the planning board has some dating back a few months now.

871
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:09,880
The first ones aren't too complex, we looked at our permitted use table and we wanted to

872
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:11,200
clean some of those items up.

873
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:19,520
Educational uses we have currently, you know, maybe, you know, six or seven different

874
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:24,300
educational uses and I think it ties back to state law, RSAs often change based off

875
00:57:24,300 --> 00:57:32,820
group daycare versus, you know, group daycare, home daycare. But anyway, there's a variety

876
00:57:32,820 --> 00:57:37,560
of different ones. We wanted to consolidate that. We ran into this when 142 Main Street

877
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:42,540
came in that needed a variance and it seemed to not make a lot of sense to us. We've

878
00:57:42,540 --> 00:57:46,540
allowed other daycares. There's other daycares on Main Street and it seemed to be a use

879
00:57:46,540 --> 00:57:52,500
that we wanted to promote. The state actually has also amended the law, I think, to preempt

880
00:57:52,500 --> 00:57:59,040
municipalities to require educational uses, daycare uses, and it just was coincidental

881
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:03,220
that we kind of already undertook this to begin with. So we were trying to reduce some

882
00:58:03,220 --> 00:58:08,260
redundancy and ambiguity and consolidate those under a few different uses. It was

883
00:58:08,260 --> 00:58:13,260
hard to interpret when daycares came in. The other item is the religious uses.

884
00:58:13,260 --> 00:58:19,640
So right now in our permitted use table, we have distinct categories for churches and

885
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:21,340
then also for religious institutions.

886
00:58:22,020 --> 00:58:24,920
I don't believe that would – that's not how we've traditionally applied the ordinance

887
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:28,880
and I don't think it'd be defensible under the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized

888
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:29,500
Person Act.

889
00:58:29,860 --> 00:58:35,340
Our lupa really states that you're not able to make any different zone and determination

890
00:58:35,340 --> 00:58:39,060
regardless of the denomination of the religious use.

891
00:58:39,060 --> 00:58:47,620
So this would consolidate churches and religious institutions and then also just allow them in the districts that both of those uses were allowed.

892
00:58:48,020 --> 00:58:54,060
And again, this really isn't reflective of how we've traditionally applied this ordinance anyway.

893
00:58:54,260 --> 00:58:58,980
I think we've kind of applied it consistent with our lupa and this will clean that up.

894
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:03,920
The third item is allowing personal service uses within the business office district.

895
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:13,040
So the business office district, we have two business office districts of district one and two, and those are predominantly along Main Street along 97.

896
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:21,380
And you'll probably know that there are service personal service uses. There are salons and barbershops and that to parlors.

897
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:31,560
And this is essentially the essentially to clean that up to have the ordinance reflect the built environment and somebody came in and they wanted to open up a salon.

898
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:35,940
And even though there's one next door to the property, you know the answer was no

899
00:59:35,940 --> 00:59:41,180
They would need a variance wanted to clean that up. And that's essentially what it does. Just tries to bring our

900
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:46,480
Permitted youth table more in alignment with the built environment of the community

901
00:59:47,380 --> 00:59:49,740
so those were the first three

902
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:52,680
amendments that the planning board was considering and

903
00:59:53,340 --> 00:59:57,560
I'm happy to go through all of them and hold questions to the end or feel free to ask questions if you have any

904
00:59:58,100 --> 00:59:59,260
as I go through because

905
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,860
Perference? Aye. Perference, folks? Each resolution will need a motion, so however you want to handle

906
01:00:04,860 --> 01:00:05,800
it. Mr. Chair.

907
01:00:07,940 --> 01:00:11,260
We may have a motion for this one. Go for it. Mr. Chairman, at this time I

908
01:00:11,260 --> 01:00:16,580
move that the Salem Town Council hereby recognize this September 14th, 2026 as the first reading

909
01:00:16,580 --> 01:00:23,180
for consideration of resolution number 202618 to consider amendments to Salem Municipal Code

910
01:00:23,180 --> 01:00:28,380
Chapter 490, attachment number one, permitted use table as recommended by the Planning Board.

911
01:00:28,380 --> 01:00:34,660
We hereby recommend a second reading and public hearing be scheduled for September 28, 2026.

912
01:00:34,980 --> 01:00:35,580
Second.

913
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:37,660
Most have been made and seconded.

914
01:00:38,500 --> 01:00:39,100
Further?

915
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:41,100
All those in favor?

916
01:00:42,380 --> 01:00:43,460
Eight to zero.

917
01:00:44,340 --> 01:00:46,420
Next up 202619.

918
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:50,800
This next amendment is to allow mixed use developments in commercial districts.

919
01:00:51,220 --> 01:00:52,780
This is to comply with state law.

920
01:00:53,460 --> 01:00:58,120
Some of the council members may be familiar that there is a variety of house bills that were

921
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:04,100
adopted last year in 2025. You had House Bill 631 and then more recently this

922
01:01:04,100 --> 01:01:10,060
year you had House Bill 1010 and House Bill 1588. Those more recent ones kind of

923
01:01:10,060 --> 01:01:13,540
had us put a pause. We had an amendment proposed that was going to be by

924
01:01:13,540 --> 01:01:18,760
conditional use permit but we went back and revisited it and the state law

925
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:22,920
essentially compels municipalities to allow multifamily residential

926
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:26,620
development on commercially zoned land and the purview of the

927
01:01:26,620 --> 01:01:31,940
municipality is limited in respects to adequate infrastructure and we've

928
01:01:31,940 --> 01:01:37,140
incorporated the direct provision from the RSA into this ordinance so that's the

929
01:01:37,140 --> 01:01:40,220
plan where it's determined adequate infrastructure such as roads, water,

930
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:45,300
sewage systems are available to support the development that's per RSA 674

931
01:01:45,300 --> 01:01:49,560
colon 80 which is what those hospitals have modified and then they are still

932
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:52,640
subject to dimensional requirements so they would still be subject to the

933
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:55,500
setbacks there's not frontage requirements in the commercial

934
01:01:55,500 --> 01:02:00,260
industrial district, but it would be setbacks and lot coverage. Those items would still

935
01:02:00,260 --> 01:02:06,520
be applicable. And then the other thing that the RSA allows the municipality to do is to

936
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:12,240
regulate their ground floor space. So in this instance, we just took the recommendation

937
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:18,700
from our master plan. Our master plan was done by UTIL Design, and they also worked

938
01:02:18,700 --> 01:02:24,840
with a fiscal impact consultant, which was land-wise. And we anticipated some mixed

939
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:27,860
use development, we want to promote mixed use development, particularly in the mixed

940
01:02:27,860 --> 01:02:33,980
use core area, which is from Main Street south towards Kelly Road, and then from Main Street

941
01:02:33,980 --> 01:02:39,360
north to like the Aroma Joe's area, it was anticipated as miss and middle.

942
01:02:39,940 --> 01:02:41,700
And we already kind of anticipated some of this.

943
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:48,500
Landwise said, if you require 100% ground floor area to be devoted to commercial use,

944
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:51,080
it very well may not make the project valuable.

945
01:02:51,080 --> 01:03:03,400
So they've reviewed our economic situation in Salem, and they determined that 33% of the available ground floor space could be dedicated to commercial use.

946
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:11,740
And what we are probably is more important for us is that 80% of the street frontage be dedicated to ground-activated uses.

947
01:03:11,740 --> 01:03:15,260
So that doesn't necessarily have to be a retailer or office use.

948
01:03:15,380 --> 01:03:18,300
It could also be a lobby or residential amenity like a gym.

949
01:03:19,060 --> 01:03:23,840
You see municipalities, and I think Manchester has built some multi-family, and they have

950
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:27,180
trouble filling some of those retail spaces.

951
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:33,820
So that threshold is taken verbatim from our master plan, and the idea is that that would

952
01:03:33,820 --> 01:03:39,740
be a viable threshold where we could still see the type of development that was anticipated.

953
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:42,240
And then the other item is incompatible impacts.

954
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:46,400
Multi-family residential development may be restricted in zones where permitted industrial

955
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:50,860
manufacturing uses may result in impacts incompatible with residential uses.

956
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:54,800
So that would be our industrial district and we talked a little bit at the

957
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:57,940
planning board about the industrial district. We don't, and you know very

958
01:03:57,940 --> 01:04:02,220
well, we don't have a ton of vacant industrial land. There's only a few

959
01:04:02,220 --> 01:04:05,400
parcels, actually a couple of them are before the planning board right now or

960
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:09,660
recently before the planning board. So the idea was to you know allow it in

961
01:04:09,660 --> 01:04:14,400
the commercial industrial uses which is still a portion of exit two and

962
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:19,820
And then, you know, pretty much the entire length of 28 where these uses would now be

963
01:04:19,820 --> 01:04:20,460
be allowed.

964
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:23,060
And again, that's to comply with the state law.

965
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:26,720
Anything?

966
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:28,800
Motion?

967
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:30,600
Mr. Sweeney.

968
01:04:31,060 --> 01:04:34,360
Mr. Chairman, at this time, I move that the Salem Town Council hereby recognize the

969
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:40,840
September 14th, 2026 as the first reading for consideration of resolution number 202619

970
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:45,740
to consider amendments to Salem Municipal Code Chapter 490-501.

971
01:04:46,740 --> 01:04:48,320
Multifamily mixed use developments.

972
01:04:48,700 --> 01:04:53,980
We hereby recommend a second reading and public hearing be scheduled for September 28th, 2026,

973
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:55,420
which is becoming quite the meeting.

974
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:59,580
It's going to be quite the ballot too if this all goes through.

975
01:05:00,780 --> 01:05:01,300
Second?

976
01:05:01,780 --> 01:05:02,460
I seconded.

977
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:03,420
Oh, I did.

978
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:03,720
Okay.

979
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:04,000
Thanks.

980
01:05:06,300 --> 01:05:06,840
Anything further?

981
01:05:07,700 --> 01:05:08,660
All those in favor?

982
01:05:09,900 --> 01:05:11,060
8 to 0.

983
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:14,960
Next up, number 20.

984
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:20,480
The last one that we have proposed here is proximity of kennels and cigar bars to residential districts.

985
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:32,280
The municipality or Salem has proximity prohibitions for a couple other uses to sexually oriented businesses being one that was preempted by the Supreme Court,

986
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:38,680
which required us to, you couldn't expressly prohibit that sexually oriented businesses in a community.

987
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:46,800
And what we did is we took a 750 foot, a linear foot buffer so that one area wouldn't be kind

988
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:54,840
of inundated with use that we anticipate might have adverse impacts on the surrounding neighborhood.

989
01:05:55,580 --> 01:05:59,820
This was discussed, it's been kicked around by the planning board for a while now.

990
01:06:00,220 --> 01:06:06,080
We've had some of these uses that have come in and we've had a butters that have

991
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:13,080
brought concerns to the board. And this was the idea, so that the cigar bar would, you

992
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:18,240
know, it wouldn't prohibit cigar bars. So if you wanted a cigar bar that operated outside

993
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:23,160
of the hours between 10 p.m. and I think it's 8 a.m., which is reflective of our

994
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:28,300
nebulous sound ordinance, but if you wanted to have a cigar bar that was open from,

995
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:33,480
you know, 10 a.m. to 6 p.m., that'd be fine. Or even if you wanted to have it

996
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:38,400
open until 10 p.m. That'd be fine. What we were finding were that there were some applicants

997
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:45,120
that would come in and the cigar bar would function. It's under a state license and it

998
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:49,480
would function almost kind of like a night club where you'd have peeking factors. They'd

999
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:55,180
open at 9 p.m. and then they would close at 1 a.m. and you'd have a number of patrons

1000
01:06:55,180 --> 01:06:58,520
that would come all at once and then they would leave all at once and it was probably

1001
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:03,940
the leave and all at once. We had some of Butters particularly on Seed Street that complained

1002
01:07:03,940 --> 01:07:09,380
about some adverse impacts, you know, whether it be police call volume, you know, people

1003
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:15,140
urinating on lawns, you know, we had a whole variety of stories. And the idea is that,

1004
01:07:15,180 --> 01:07:19,720
you know, let's continue to allow these uses but create some separation. I've given

1005
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:27,940
my own kind of personal experience. I grew up in Milford. I grew up across from a

1006
01:07:27,940 --> 01:07:32,300
commercial use. That use could be redeveloped, but if it was redeveloped as a cigar bar or

1007
01:07:32,300 --> 01:07:35,920
a kennel, you know, there's fortunately for their case, I think it's going to be a dollar

1008
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:42,880
general. But, you know, it could be a, it could be a kennel. And I had one resident who would

1009
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:48,160
call me when I'm transitioning now, I guess to the kennels and how that came about.

1010
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:53,400
But I had one resident who would call me at maybe 5, 6 a.m. when the dogs would

1011
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:59,300
start to get dropped off, and it was incessant barking. And I looked at the site plan, and

1012
01:07:59,300 --> 01:08:04,500
the site plan had a business operation memo, and it said, the noise will be managed with

1013
01:08:04,500 --> 01:08:08,900
a tent of staff. So I called him, and I said, hey, your business memo said a tent of staff.

1014
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:13,060
He said, you know, we're having a real difficult time hiring right now. We are short staffed,

1015
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:18,260
and, you know, we're doing all we can. But I think you have some presumption

1016
01:08:18,260 --> 01:08:20,120
and when you live next to a commercial property

1017
01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:21,640
that there are gonna be impacts.

1018
01:08:23,360 --> 01:08:26,600
I had a sense that when that happened

1019
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:28,280
that it really does affect the quality of life

1020
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:30,820
but ultimately the town council can weigh in

1021
01:08:30,820 --> 01:08:33,360
and provide your feedback on whether or not

1022
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:36,700
these are uses that you want to regulate

1023
01:08:36,700 --> 01:08:39,280
and if you want to establish a proximity

1024
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:42,080
or if this is something that you're comfortable with.

1025
01:08:44,340 --> 01:08:45,480
Mr. Pellett's here.

1026
01:08:45,860 --> 01:08:46,980
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

1027
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:56,000
take up I still need some clarification on this. We mentioned over and over again the 750 feet

1028
01:08:56,000 --> 01:09:04,560
a linear feet which is a linear pizza straight line still. I need clarification whether this

1029
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:13,360
750 feet is from the proposed cigar bond not southeast and west of any of the residential

1030
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:22,460
rural garden apartments. And that would eliminate a lot of Broadway on the west side of Broadway

1031
01:09:22,460 --> 01:09:29,040
all the way down from North to South because of all the residential in the background over

1032
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:40,020
there where the west side of Broadway was mostly open space. So that would, I just

1033
01:09:40,020 --> 01:09:43,800
need some clarification if it's going to be North, South, East, West, 750 feet all

1034
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:49,280
the way around the perimeter of the Sagatline. Yeah, what we've done with

1035
01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:52,740
proximity prohibitions is we've taken a dimension from the edge of that

1036
01:09:52,740 --> 01:09:56,660
district, so the property, the edge of the property, and we would pull 750

1037
01:09:56,660 --> 01:10:01,740
linear feet off that edge. Our GIS manager John Vogel did produce a map

1038
01:10:01,740 --> 01:10:05,980
and the map does show where these uses would still be permitted. You are

1039
01:10:05,980 --> 01:10:12,320
are right because of the orientation of our commercial

1040
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:13,520
industrial district on 28.

1041
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:15,660
It's very narrow, restricted in part

1042
01:10:15,660 --> 01:10:17,540
by the residential development that it

1043
01:10:17,540 --> 01:10:21,840
have bought, and also physical features, the wetland,

1044
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:23,260
Spickett River, what have you.

1045
01:10:24,480 --> 01:10:26,820
Mr. Vogel's map does show that there

1046
01:10:26,820 --> 01:10:29,700
are portions in the south end of town

1047
01:10:29,700 --> 01:10:32,020
that you could accommodate this use.

1048
01:10:32,020 --> 01:10:39,880
There are also uses in Tuscan, if Tuscan wanted to open a cigar bar that would be removed

1049
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:41,660
from a residential district.

1050
01:10:42,180 --> 01:10:44,520
It's not necessarily from a residential property.

1051
01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:50,140
And the other thing I would just want to clarify is that it would not prohibit cigar

1052
01:10:50,140 --> 01:10:50,880
bars outright.

1053
01:10:51,060 --> 01:10:54,960
It would only prohibit those cigar bars where we saw those adverse impacts where

1054
01:10:54,960 --> 01:11:02,000
the butters were coming out and saying, you know, hey, everybody comes at 11 p.m.

1055
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:07,720
and they're leaving at 1 a.m. or you know at 9 p.m. what have you but we had a few of those and

1056
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:14,580
That was something that we heard from the abutters received a lot of feedback. So felt out of you know

1057
01:11:15,480 --> 01:11:22,060
Discretion for them, you know, it's warranted to at least consider whether or not we want to adopt something or or leave it as is

1058
01:11:22,060 --> 01:11:23,840
Which is an alternative, which would be okay

1059
01:11:24,300 --> 01:11:24,740
Okay.

1060
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:31,160
Oh, and then also on exit 2, there would be along styles, keyway, and I don't know that

1061
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:35,380
that's quite the development right now, but that would be sufficiently removed from any

1062
01:11:35,380 --> 01:11:37,880
residential district that they could do that there as well.

1063
01:11:39,540 --> 01:11:42,220
So okay, that brings up another question, if I may, Mr.

1064
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:42,960
Go ahead.

1065
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:48,720
You're talking about in the area of styles and keyway and way, keyway and where there's

1066
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:58,380
is industrial and right now and office building, which would be maybe someday that those roads

1067
01:11:58,380 --> 01:12:05,400
those roads will be changed on top of a key weight and maybe you know who knows in the

1068
01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:10,820
future someone developed may want to go in there and put a apartment complex over there

1069
01:12:10,820 --> 01:12:17,860
now who has preference a cigar bar bar or does the the cigar bar would but also we

1070
01:12:17,860 --> 01:12:20,940
we are not trying to prohibit them from a residential.

1071
01:12:21,540 --> 01:12:23,640
So for instance, I had somebody call me,

1072
01:12:24,060 --> 01:12:25,520
which is kind of surprising,

1073
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:26,820
but they moved to Central Village

1074
01:12:27,300 --> 01:12:28,100
and they were upset

1075
01:12:28,100 --> 01:12:29,960
because they didn't know it was a mixed use development.

1076
01:12:30,440 --> 01:12:33,220
And I don't know how you move into Tuscan

1077
01:12:33,220 --> 01:12:34,680
without knowing it's mixed use development,

1078
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:37,460
but the idea is that you're gonna have,

1079
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:39,240
and we talked about that, we've talked about that

1080
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:42,000
for years, there are people calling,

1081
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:43,340
they complain about dumpster pickup

1082
01:12:43,340 --> 01:12:45,320
at some of the tenants.

1083
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:50,540
and and and that's kind of I guess what those are some of the anticipated impacts

1084
01:12:50,540 --> 01:12:53,840
right we expected that when you built the mixed use development when you live in

1085
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:58,540
a you know more of a dense urban environment that you're gonna have

1086
01:12:58,540 --> 01:13:04,100
some of those conflicts so the answer would be that they would still be

1087
01:13:04,100 --> 01:13:09,780
allowed there unless the town were to rezone that area and designated a

1088
01:13:09,780 --> 01:13:12,520
residential district. That would answer my question. Thank you.

1089
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:18,780
So in my mind these are two very very different things.

1090
01:13:20,180 --> 01:13:22,740
Sagabahs are really not that different from

1091
01:13:22,740 --> 01:13:26,940
a bar or a restaurant or anything like that and these issues that they were

1092
01:13:26,940 --> 01:13:29,200
having can be mitigated with police details

1093
01:13:29,740 --> 01:13:32,660
or you know follow up from the town whatever it may be

1094
01:13:32,660 --> 01:13:36,880
I don't see anything there that would hinder my life

1095
01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:40,460
So, I would not want to include cigabas in that.

1096
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:45,380
The kennels, though, the incessant barking would drive me insane, so I can imagine that

1097
01:13:45,380 --> 01:13:48,320
that would bother a lot of people because that's a constant noise you can't get rid

1098
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:48,460
of.

1099
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:51,720
Not somebody rowdy that the police needs to deal with because that can happen anywhere.

1100
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:56,540
So I would like to separate these, and then I'm good with proximities for kennels,

1101
01:13:56,540 --> 01:13:58,420
but not cigabas, might I?

1102
01:13:58,420 --> 01:13:58,620
Okay.

1103
01:13:58,900 --> 01:13:59,820
And that would be okay, too.

1104
01:13:59,960 --> 01:14:01,420
You can move forward with one and not the other.

1105
01:14:02,460 --> 01:14:07,140
The cigar bars, it was really the way that they seemed to be operating.

1106
01:14:08,060 --> 01:14:13,080
I'm sure if anybody follows the planning board, it was maybe about a year ago or I think we had a couple,

1107
01:14:13,500 --> 01:14:18,380
and we kind of, you know, the board at that time wanted to consider this, but...

1108
01:14:18,380 --> 01:14:19,700
What did that go to?

1109
01:14:20,980 --> 01:14:21,920
It's not a problem.

1110
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:24,660
Ms. Stacy, did you have your hand up?

1111
01:14:24,700 --> 01:14:24,820
Thank you.

1112
01:14:25,060 --> 01:14:25,680
Oh, Joe.

1113
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:27,000
Thank you, Mr. Schmidt.

1114
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:35,020
would we be allowed to pursue a definition of nightclub that is not you

1115
01:14:35,020 --> 01:14:39,740
know necessarily a cigar bar but is it sounds like the activity we're trying

1116
01:14:39,740 --> 01:14:46,380
to curtail yeah we were we were a little reticent to do that just because if

1117
01:14:46,380 --> 01:14:49,580
you look some municipalities do that and if you look at the definition of a

1118
01:14:49,580 --> 01:14:56,300
nightclub it's very could be ambiguous it's you know a location that

1119
01:14:56,300 --> 01:14:59,240
provides like music and dancing and you know we talked about

1120
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,400
You know, our code enforcement officers are going and, you know, it's after 10 p.m. and you're

1121
01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:08,140
providing, you know, dancing or somebody's got to carry out, so, because there was a member

1122
01:15:08,140 --> 01:15:12,500
of the public who did come and said, hey, I think it should be nightclubs. I mean, I'm

1123
01:15:12,500 --> 01:15:16,960
happy to provide a little bit more context for some of the cigar bars that we saw. I

1124
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:20,360
mean, somebody want us to show a video, I think, at one of the meetings, which we

1125
01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:27,520
ultimately didn't, but they seem to, under this state RSA, I think, you know, you

1126
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:32,760
cancer food that there are certain parameters that almost kind of well open

1127
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:37,520
up the door for it to be this use we had a I won't talk too much about specifics

1128
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:43,700
I guess about the applicants but they had associated impacts that some of the

1129
01:15:43,700 --> 01:15:51,500
butters were specifically concerned about okay miss Stacy thank you Mr.

1130
01:15:51,500 --> 01:15:58,100
a chair. So let's talk kennels. As you know where I live. And I have a neighbor who has

1131
01:15:58,900 --> 01:16:05,060
significant amount of dogs that they own themselves. But the dogs do nothing but bark continuously

1132
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:12,160
all day and all night. How do we define kennel? I mean, these appear, you know, when you

1133
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:19,260
have personal dogs in excess of five or six, yeah, that are left outside all the time.

1134
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:23,660
and all they do is, I mean, bark all day and all night.

1135
01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:26,880
Yeah, we do have a definition currently

1136
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:28,420
in our ordinance of Kennel,

1137
01:16:28,700 --> 01:16:31,620
and it has been applied to residential properties,

1138
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:34,360
property owners that house multiple.

1139
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:37,600
I think the, without having the ordinance in front of me,

1140
01:16:37,680 --> 01:16:39,700
I think the threshold might be five dogs,

1141
01:16:39,980 --> 01:16:42,640
and I think it's even if you own them,

1142
01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:46,240
although we are in litigation on another item,

1143
01:16:46,300 --> 01:16:48,460
and there's been a lot of discussion about,

1144
01:16:48,460 --> 01:16:52,280
you know if somebody owns all those dogs and still constitute a kennel if they're

1145
01:16:52,280 --> 01:16:58,140
not you know providing a service or somebody else but absolutely we've got

1146
01:16:58,140 --> 01:17:05,160
complaints from residential butters to activity like that and I guess that's

1147
01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:07,660
you know one of the things that we would consider here as well as that we

1148
01:17:07,660 --> 01:17:13,380
know that there's incompatible or there's adverse can be adverse impacts

1149
01:17:13,380 --> 01:17:19,020
So would this apply to that scenario, the 750-foot buffer?

1150
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:20,540
I'm curious.

1151
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:21,220
Yes.

1152
01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:26,880
Well, one, without making a zone in determination, I mean, I think in some instances we've,

1153
01:17:28,100 --> 01:17:32,580
and I'm happy to share the record with you, in some instances we've, I think, pointed to the fact that

1154
01:17:33,580 --> 01:17:37,500
we've received a complaint that it might constitute a kennel activity.

1155
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:44,400
And I don't know that we've pursued that in some instances, but in others not as much.

1156
01:17:44,740 --> 01:17:45,280
Thank you.

1157
01:17:45,620 --> 01:17:45,820
Yeah.

1158
01:17:46,180 --> 01:17:47,880
I don't know if that answer is kind of non-answerable.

1159
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:48,440
We're waiting for that.

1160
01:17:48,820 --> 01:17:49,180
Thank you.

1161
01:17:50,140 --> 01:17:51,140
I think we're all set.

1162
01:17:51,340 --> 01:17:51,480
Motion.

1163
01:17:54,980 --> 01:18:00,080
So, can I make a motion where we pull, I can pull Cigabas out of that?

1164
01:18:00,100 --> 01:18:00,120
Yeah.

1165
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:00,800
Go ahead and do that.

1166
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:02,660
I'll just check.

1167
01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:03,340
By all means.

1168
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:04,780
Oh, second it.

1169
01:18:05,420 --> 01:18:06,360
Oh, do you want me to read it?

1170
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:08,640
I think I was even stated in here.

1171
01:18:08,820 --> 01:18:09,140
It does.

1172
01:18:09,140 --> 01:18:15,080
Oh, okay. Yeah. Sorry. That's okay. Move that the Salem Town Council hereby recognize September 14,

1173
01:18:15,220 --> 01:18:21,940
2026 as the first reading for consideration of resolution number 2026-20 to consider amendments

1174
01:18:21,940 --> 01:18:29,360
to the Salem Municipal Code chapter 490-501 proximity of Kennels to residential districts.

1175
01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:34,260
We hereby recommend a second reading and public hearing to be scheduled for September 28, 2026.

1176
01:18:34,260 --> 01:18:34,800
Second.

1177
01:18:35,140 --> 01:18:37,440
Motion to be made and seconded by Ms. Stacy.

1178
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:39,200
Questions?

1179
01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:42,040
Not hearing any, all those in favor?

1180
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:44,680
We have 8 to 0.

1181
01:18:46,580 --> 01:18:47,240
Thank you.

1182
01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:48,440
Thank you.

1183
01:18:48,660 --> 01:18:49,060
Thank you.

1184
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:54,080
All right, first reading waiver number 9, Resolution 2621,

1185
01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:56,820
Municipal Services Department, Mr. Devine.

1186
01:18:57,140 --> 01:18:59,620
So this is a request for disbursement of $200,000

1187
01:18:59,620 --> 01:19:01,340
from the Roadway Improvements Capital Reserve Fund

1188
01:19:01,340 --> 01:19:02,580
for the Bridge Street Construction Project.

1189
01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:04,660
Municipal Services Director Wayne Amarall

1190
01:19:04,660 --> 01:19:05,300
I'm going to speak to it.

1191
01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:05,900
Thank you.

1192
01:19:05,980 --> 01:19:06,900
Wayne Amaral, MS.

1193
01:19:06,940 --> 01:19:07,600
Pills Services Director.

1194
01:19:08,220 --> 01:19:12,720
I'm here to request $200,000 transferred from the Roadway Improvement Capital Reserve

1195
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:17,320
Funds for a shortfall in the Bridge Street construction project we're working on.

1196
01:19:17,740 --> 01:19:20,140
We had a very difficult spring, as you're aware of.

1197
01:19:20,260 --> 01:19:23,940
We had water running for probably two or three months longer than we wanted to run.

1198
01:19:24,660 --> 01:19:28,340
And this cost that we're asking for, the increases to the engineering, the oversight

1199
01:19:28,340 --> 01:19:30,520
of the project, because they were out there during all the flooding that was

1200
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:36,140
happening and overseeing the pumping of the water that was constant.

1201
01:19:36,260 --> 01:19:40,480
We pumped water for over two and a half months out there and every time that filled up we

1202
01:19:40,480 --> 01:19:45,820
pumped and the foundations and the forms got filled the water, they had empty the water

1203
01:19:45,820 --> 01:19:48,120
out of the forms and started all over again.

1204
01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:51,320
That we didn't pay for, that's part of the construction, but we did pay for the

1205
01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:55,520
engineering part of it and this is that cost of that increased engineering.

1206
01:19:56,180 --> 01:20:02,480
Because somewhere along the line, even if I do say so myself, if you don't have

1207
01:20:02,480 --> 01:20:07,320
large enough pumps or if you don't know you're building a bridge over water, I

1208
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:13,880
don't know. It was amazing to me that that their pumps were too small and

1209
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:18,380
they couldn't get things moving correctly. It was it was a challenge.

1210
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:22,700
It was a challenge. They had a lot of pumps. They had some pump problems, but

1211
01:20:22,700 --> 01:20:25,180
We didn't have that much rain, because all the lakes are still dry.

1212
01:20:25,580 --> 01:20:31,900
We had a handful of very large storms, and then we had nothing.

1213
01:20:32,420 --> 01:20:35,680
And that was our problem, is we got one inch of that nothing for two weeks,

1214
01:20:35,780 --> 01:20:37,580
then we got one inch and a half, then nothing.

1215
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:41,460
And that killed us, was those heavy rain events that we happened in the spring.

1216
01:20:41,860 --> 01:20:44,940
Because this was normally an 80-20 project, right?

1217
01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:45,500
Yes.

1218
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:49,440
Okay, questions? Anything from anybody?

1219
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:50,520
Yep, me again.

1220
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:58,920
Ms. Stacy. Oh, do we have a guesstimate of when this project's going to be done in

1221
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:02,760
conveniencing the people who live in that area? I totally did. Great question. I

1222
01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:05,680
was still looking at the first the second week of December. I think it's

1223
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:11,120
December 4th or 4th as we're looking at. Thank you. December 4th? December 4th.

1224
01:21:11,700 --> 01:21:16,100
I'm writing that down. I believe the school district will hold it to you

1225
01:21:16,100 --> 01:21:20,280
because the buses are all rerouted. Correct. And that changes their price

1226
01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:24,920
by the way, especially at today's gas prices. Did you have something?

1227
01:21:25,100 --> 01:21:26,160
Yes, please. Absolutely.

1228
01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:31,740
Does this do anything to the road program? It takes $200,000 from the stabilization of

1229
01:21:31,740 --> 01:21:34,940
the capital reserve program. So does that eliminate roads?

1230
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:38,820
We had no plans right now to tie that money. It was not tied to any projects.

1231
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:40,800
That was extra money. I'm sorry.

1232
01:21:40,900 --> 01:21:44,640
That was currently extra money? Yeah, well, it's in the reserve fund.

1233
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:47,560
Okay. Thank you. Motion.

1234
01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:49,380
Mr. Sweeney.

1235
01:21:50,430 --> 01:21:55,520
Mr. Chairman, I move that the Salem Town Council adopts resolution number 202621, relating

1236
01:21:55,520 --> 01:22:00,780
to the authorization to disperse $200,000 from the Roadway Improvement Capital Reserve

1237
01:22:00,780 --> 01:22:05,640
Fund for additional costs of the Bridge Street Bridge Construction Project and further

1238
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:07,520
waives the requirement for a second reading.

1239
01:22:08,060 --> 01:22:11,120
This resolution shall take effect upon its passage as follows.

1240
01:22:13,010 --> 01:22:16,640
Whereas the Municipal Services Department Engineering Division submitted an application

1241
01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:21,360
in May 2018 to the New Hampshire Department of Transportation state-aid bridge program

1242
01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:26,460
for design engineering and construction of the Bridge Street Bridge, whereas NHDOT has

1243
01:22:26,460 --> 01:22:30,780
determined that a project to replace Bridge Street Bridge over Spickett River in the town

1244
01:22:30,780 --> 01:22:35,260
of Salem is an eligible project for funding under the State Bridge Aid Program and Federal

1245
01:22:35,260 --> 01:22:39,500
Bridge Aid Program created under the Federal Bipartisan Infrastructure Law. Whereas,

1246
01:22:39,700 --> 01:22:44,660
on May 20, 2024, the Salem Town Council with full administrative authority voted

1247
01:22:44,660 --> 01:22:50,000
to enter into and execute all agreements and documents related to the final design,

1248
01:22:50,460 --> 01:22:53,340
engineering, bidding, and permitting of the Bridge Street Bridge replacement

1249
01:22:53,340 --> 01:22:59,900
as part of the LPA State Project Number 4409, whereas the Bridge Street Bridge project has

1250
01:22:59,900 --> 01:23:05,180
been delayed due to site constraints inclusive of high water flows this spring, active soil and

1251
01:23:05,180 --> 01:23:10,680
artesian groundwater conditions, limited working room to butters, overhead electric

1252
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:15,020
utilities and deep bedrock, whereas these delays have caused an increase in cost of

1253
01:23:15,020 --> 01:23:20,180
engineering oversight and review as a result additional funding is requested for both the

1254
01:23:20,180 --> 01:23:23,040
engineer of record and the engineering construction oversight.

1255
01:23:23,440 --> 01:23:28,200
Now therefore be it resolved by the Salem Town Council that the Town Council as agents

1256
01:23:28,200 --> 01:23:33,760
of, as agents to expend the Salem Roadway Improvements Capital Reserve Fund here by

1257
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:39,320
authorizes $200,000 to be dispersed for the additional cost relating to the Bridge

1258
01:23:39,320 --> 01:23:41,140
Street Bridge construction project.

1259
01:23:41,380 --> 01:23:41,500
Second.

1260
01:23:42,300 --> 01:23:44,460
Motion has been made in second by Mr. Pelletier.

1261
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:45,440
Any further questions?

1262
01:23:46,180 --> 01:23:46,920
Not seeing any.

1263
01:23:47,060 --> 01:23:47,760
All those in favor?

1264
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:49,780
8 to 0.

1265
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:50,780
Thank you.

1266
01:23:52,940 --> 01:23:53,420
All

1267
01:23:57,130 --> 01:23:57,610
right.

1268
01:23:58,090 --> 01:24:02,070
Next up, new business number 10.

1269
01:24:02,670 --> 01:24:03,850
So this is going to be a public hearing

1270
01:24:03,850 --> 01:24:05,610
to accept the donation from the Friendship and Garden

1271
01:24:05,610 --> 01:24:06,970
Club, about $9,200.

1272
01:24:07,790 --> 01:24:09,310
They recently reached out to the town

1273
01:24:09,310 --> 01:24:10,910
and installed flowers, plantings,

1274
01:24:10,910 --> 01:24:12,410
and a bench at Michelle Memorial Park.

1275
01:24:12,410 --> 01:24:14,750
Again, the project cost was $9,200.

1276
01:24:18,150 --> 01:24:19,030
You ready?

1277
01:24:19,370 --> 01:24:19,690
I'm ready.

1278
01:24:20,210 --> 01:24:21,570
I'm going to open up public hearing.

1279
01:24:21,770 --> 01:24:22,010
Thank you.

1280
01:24:24,130 --> 01:24:25,970
So good evening, my name is James Chico.

1281
01:24:26,130 --> 01:24:27,010
I'm the superintendent of facilities.

1282
01:24:27,970 --> 01:24:32,150
Several months ago, the Seattle Friendship at Garner Club

1283
01:24:32,150 --> 01:24:35,770
came to us for locations for some pre-ification areas.

1284
01:24:36,350 --> 01:24:37,490
One of the areas that we recommended

1285
01:24:37,490 --> 01:24:41,410
was the front of the Pickleball Court area at Michelle Park.

1286
01:24:41,410 --> 01:24:45,390
It was an area that currently has null plantings there.

1287
01:24:45,750 --> 01:24:51,290
So they would look to plant a couple of marigold trees, cypress trees.

1288
01:24:53,940 --> 01:24:55,500
I'm going to screw up the name of this flower.

1289
01:24:56,540 --> 01:24:59,240
Apsidwell, Little Vision, and Pink, in a...

1290
01:25:00,500 --> 01:25:03,180
You said Pink, we'll just say Pretty Pink Flowers.

1291
01:25:03,480 --> 01:25:03,800
Pretty Pink Flowers.

1292
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:04,840
Another Pretty Pink Plant.

1293
01:25:05,180 --> 01:25:09,260
I'm not even going to try to put the name of it, so I couldn't even tell you.

1294
01:25:09,380 --> 01:25:10,180
They're pretty pinks.

1295
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:15,160
So, some different flowers in the area, as well as they'll provide a bench area for that as well.

1296
01:25:16,060 --> 01:25:20,040
I believe the project would help beautify that brand new pickleball court

1297
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:22,820
and hopefully kind of knock down the noise area for that as well.

1298
01:25:23,720 --> 01:25:24,420
Sounds good.

1299
01:25:26,820 --> 01:25:27,120
Motion.

1300
01:25:28,380 --> 01:25:29,360
Mr. Sweeney.

1301
01:25:29,740 --> 01:25:33,440
Mr. Chairman, at this time I move in accordance with RSA 3195E

1302
01:25:33,440 --> 01:25:38,280
at the Salem Town Council, hereby accept with gratitude a donation from the Salem Friendship and Garden Club

1303
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:43,020
for the cost of the insulation of flowers, various plantings, and a bench at

1304
01:25:43,020 --> 01:25:46,700
Michelle Memorial Park with such services valued at $9,200.

1305
01:25:47,180 --> 01:25:47,380
Second.

1306
01:25:47,820 --> 01:25:50,220
Motion been made and seconded by everybody on my right.

1307
01:25:52,100 --> 01:25:56,940
If there's anybody out here that would like to speak before we close the public hearing on this.

1308
01:25:58,200 --> 01:26:01,060
Usually we just take the money and say thanks.

1309
01:26:04,140 --> 01:26:06,180
So, I'm going to close that meeting.

1310
01:26:06,180 --> 01:26:13,240
All those in favor 8 to 0. Thank you very much. Thank you Salem friendship and

1311
01:26:13,240 --> 01:26:20,980
garden clubs. Fantastic. Next up public hearing again. I'm going to open up a new

1312
01:26:20,980 --> 01:26:26,120
one except a donation from the Historical Society. And this could only

1313
01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:31,660
wait. Emeril sirs director we see the generous gift of 11,430 dollars from

1314
01:26:31,660 --> 01:26:37,600
the Salem Historic Commission to repair and reset gravestones in the old common

1315
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:42,180
peri-o grounds. They've done this some years ago, and it was very successful, and

1316
01:26:42,180 --> 01:26:47,240
I'd like to do another round again. Okay. Does he want to speak? Probably.

1317
01:26:49,340 --> 01:26:49,680
Brian

1318
01:26:49,680 --> 01:26:54,420
Plenty, and President of the Circle Society. Welcome, everybody. So Wayne Nalins

1319
01:26:54,420 --> 01:26:58,780
from New England. Gravestone Services in New England, with Sir about nine

1320
01:26:58,780 --> 01:27:04,720
years ago did a fantastic job in about 40 stones, 45 stones. We welcome them back because

1321
01:27:04,720 --> 01:27:11,560
we have approximately 20, 30, 35 stones that are needed to repair, either cracked or tipping

1322
01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:17,240
or falling. As we came back, I met with him this summer with Susan Mothon. He gave us

1323
01:27:17,240 --> 01:27:22,860
an estimate and he's willing to do this, his last job this season in September and

1324
01:27:22,860 --> 01:27:26,860
he's waiting on, on the approval from the board as well.

1325
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:32,080
So this is the great, the burying ground is 290 years old.

1326
01:27:32,240 --> 01:27:36,180
The stones that are starting to break are close to 200 years old.

1327
01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:44,660
And in addition to that, the Salem Community Television has offered to film CHI actually

1328
01:27:44,660 --> 01:27:51,180
fixing the stones for educational and for future preservation needs of the town.

1329
01:27:51,180 --> 01:27:54,620
So, we're grateful for having come back.

1330
01:27:55,900 --> 01:27:56,340
Thank you.

1331
01:27:56,840 --> 01:27:57,200
Okay.

1332
01:27:57,640 --> 01:27:58,200
Any other questions?

1333
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:00,600
Nope.

1334
01:28:00,940 --> 01:28:01,120
Great.

1335
01:28:01,240 --> 01:28:02,020
Not seeing any?

1336
01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:02,440
Wonderful.

1337
01:28:03,340 --> 01:28:04,080
Thank you.

1338
01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:04,880
Yeah.

1339
01:28:05,340 --> 01:28:05,520
It's wonderful.

1340
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:09,520
We need Mr. Sweeney.

1341
01:28:09,780 --> 01:28:14,240
Mr. Chairman, at this time I move in accordance with RSA 3195E that the Salem Town Council

1342
01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:19,400
hereby accepts with gratitude a donation from the Salem Historical Society of the Costs

1343
01:28:19,400 --> 01:28:24,280
for the repair and resetting of gravestones at the Salem Center burying ground with such

1344
01:28:24,280 --> 01:28:27,480
services valued at $11,430.

1345
01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:32,740
Motion being made in seconded by Ms. Stacy, all those in favor.

1346
01:28:34,240 --> 01:28:38,000
And we thank the Historical Society, of course.

1347
01:28:39,520 --> 01:28:39,960
Thank you.

1348
01:28:40,480 --> 01:28:41,360
Moving on.

1349
01:28:42,160 --> 01:28:43,060
I'll close that one.

1350
01:28:44,540 --> 01:28:47,480
And we're going to go to Consider Lease Agreement.

1351
01:28:47,480 --> 01:28:50,220
Thank you, Mr. Sures, Director again.

1352
01:28:51,180 --> 01:28:57,020
We negotiated for, we're looking for your approval for the town manager to sign two negotiations

1353
01:28:57,020 --> 01:29:03,100
for Saltawa leases at 82 Lamarence Road and 2026 Howard Street.

1354
01:29:04,240 --> 01:29:04,760
Okay.

1355
01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:09,500
Anybody have any questions about the leases?

1356
01:29:10,300 --> 01:29:11,260
Costs of the leases?

1357
01:29:11,580 --> 01:29:12,800
No, we're all set with that.

1358
01:29:12,920 --> 01:29:14,380
Everybody read what they needed to read?

1359
01:29:14,780 --> 01:29:16,500
I'll take motions then, I guess.

1360
01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:18,700
Mr. Sweeney.

1361
01:29:18,700 --> 01:29:24,540
Mr. Chairman, I move that the Town Council approved the Third Amendment to the Standard Communication Site

1362
01:29:24,540 --> 01:29:29,680
lease agreement with T-Mobile with such term extending the lease agreement to 2061

1363
01:29:29,680 --> 01:29:34,320
and further authorizes Town Manager Joseph Devine to execute the agreement

1364
01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:40,140
with T-Mobile for use of the Lawrence Road water tank located at 82 Lawrence Road.

1365
01:29:40,140 --> 01:29:40,700
Second.

1366
01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:43,300
Motion made by Mr. Stremalia.

1367
01:29:43,820 --> 01:29:45,000
Seconded by Mr. Stremalia.

1368
01:29:45,560 --> 01:29:46,380
All those in favor?

1369
01:29:47,320 --> 01:29:48,200
Eight to zero.

1370
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:49,660
Now we want to do the other tank.

1371
01:29:50,020 --> 01:29:50,160
Yep.

1372
01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:54,080
Mr. Chairman, at this time, I move that the town council

1373
01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:56,460
approve the second amendment to the standard communication

1374
01:29:56,460 --> 01:29:59,980
site lease agreement with T-Mobile with such term.

1375
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:06,060
I'm extending the lease agreement to 2057 and further authorizes town manager Joseph Devine

1376
01:30:06,060 --> 01:30:12,340
to execute the agreement with T-Mobile for use of the Lawrence Road water tank located at 2026

1377
01:30:12,340 --> 01:30:19,960
Howard Street. Motion been made and seconded by Ms. Withrow. All those in favor? Eight to

1378
01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:27,260
zero. Thank you. Sorry, should that have said Howard Street? Howard Street, yes. Okay. Yes.

1379
01:30:27,260 --> 01:30:32,080
That's yeah, it said Lawrence Road twice. Yeah, yeah

1380
01:30:35,620 --> 01:30:36,500
Howard Street

1381
01:30:37,340 --> 01:30:45,240
Okay, D municipal building advisory committee MBAC consider amendments to the MBAC charter

1382
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:49,480
This is gonna is this gonna really make for all these zoning things

1383
01:30:49,480 --> 01:30:54,620
That's gonna make for a really large ballot in March. No, the zoning is no longer handled by okay

1384
01:30:54,620 --> 01:30:59,380
the ballot vote. This isn't actually a charter change, this is a bylaw change to the municipal

1385
01:30:59,380 --> 01:31:02,580
building. They call it a charter, but it's a bylaw.

1386
01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:03,720
Okay.

1387
01:31:04,220 --> 01:31:04,660
Want something else?

1388
01:31:05,420 --> 01:31:05,860
Hey.

1389
01:31:06,440 --> 01:31:06,940
You again.

1390
01:31:07,100 --> 01:31:08,120
I'm welcome. I'm back again.

1391
01:31:09,820 --> 01:31:10,540
Mr. Bacheco.

1392
01:31:10,740 --> 01:31:17,000
Yes, so James Bacheco, Superintendent of Facilities, as well as the Mbeck Chair. During our

1393
01:31:17,000 --> 01:31:21,780
March 19th meeting, we had gone through our charter or our bylaws, and we noticed

1394
01:31:21,780 --> 01:31:26,280
is that the superintendent of facilities role is not in.

1395
01:31:26,880 --> 01:31:29,640
So we're asking to add the superintendent of facilities

1396
01:31:29,640 --> 01:31:29,960
role.

1397
01:31:30,380 --> 01:31:33,820
And we're looking to remove the project in a near role

1398
01:31:33,820 --> 01:31:38,220
as well from the members of the MBAC.

1399
01:31:39,400 --> 01:31:40,260
Oh, OK.

1400
01:31:41,540 --> 01:31:42,360
Next slide.

1401
01:31:43,740 --> 01:31:46,380
And also during the reading, we found

1402
01:31:46,380 --> 01:31:49,880
that the committee, the language in the charter

1403
01:31:49,880 --> 01:31:53,860
say that the committee would meet on a weekly basis so we're looking to change

1404
01:31:53,860 --> 01:31:59,140
that to meeting on a meeting schedule one of the chairs discretion that sounds

1405
01:31:59,140 --> 01:32:08,280
reasonable yep would time would time weekly yeah exactly so I think that's it

1406
01:32:08,920 --> 01:32:12,980
those are the two changes mr. Bettencourt would we go back to the membership

1407
01:32:12,980 --> 01:32:19,080
roster again just trying to count here do you have an even number there oh

1408
01:32:21,230 --> 01:32:22,250
Oh, you're good.

1409
01:32:23,850 --> 01:32:26,270
You don't want to have an even number in case you've got a tie vote?

1410
01:32:27,410 --> 01:32:27,770
Yeah.

1411
01:32:28,450 --> 01:32:28,750
Okay.

1412
01:32:28,810 --> 01:32:30,970
Well, assistant time manager is a non-voting member.

1413
01:32:32,050 --> 01:32:33,730
No, I think they're a voting member.

1414
01:32:33,910 --> 01:32:35,590
I think the line just got added.

1415
01:32:35,830 --> 01:32:35,970
Yeah.

1416
01:32:36,050 --> 01:32:36,590
Yeah, I think so.

1417
01:32:36,770 --> 01:32:40,970
I think my PowerPoint skills are to improve.

1418
01:32:41,410 --> 01:32:42,470
No, I'm with you on that one.

1419
01:32:42,490 --> 01:32:42,570
Oh, okay.

1420
01:32:42,710 --> 01:32:42,810
I'm sorry.

1421
01:32:42,810 --> 01:32:45,130
I think non-voting members are the three.

1422
01:32:45,870 --> 01:32:46,990
Seven and then two non-voting.

1423
01:32:46,990 --> 01:32:53,130
As accustomed as we are to former people who have worked here having rather lengthy power

1424
01:32:53,130 --> 01:32:53,430
points.

1425
01:32:53,630 --> 01:32:54,230
The assistant town managers are here.

1426
01:32:54,230 --> 01:32:54,830
We like these.

1427
01:32:55,310 --> 01:32:55,830
We're like …

1428
01:32:55,830 --> 01:32:57,150
Okay, gotcha.

1429
01:32:57,470 --> 01:32:58,970
The new voting members should be below it.

1430
01:32:59,330 --> 01:32:59,890
You'll be below it.

1431
01:33:00,010 --> 01:33:00,210
Okay.

1432
01:33:00,210 --> 01:33:01,070
For those other managers.

1433
01:33:01,110 --> 01:33:01,490
Thank you.

1434
01:33:01,770 --> 01:33:02,030
You're good.

1435
01:33:02,790 --> 01:33:05,010
So you do have an odd number.

1436
01:33:05,150 --> 01:33:05,510
Seven.

1437
01:33:05,530 --> 01:33:05,750
Seven.

1438
01:33:05,970 --> 01:33:06,230
Seven.

1439
01:33:06,710 --> 01:33:07,190
Two.

1440
01:33:07,190 --> 01:33:10,810
Just so you've got the town managers representative and then the assistant town managers voting

1441
01:33:10,810 --> 01:33:11,130
members.

1442
01:33:11,550 --> 01:33:14,170
But we should have brought non-voting to the next line down.

1443
01:33:14,430 --> 01:33:14,970
Right, right, right.

1444
01:33:15,070 --> 01:33:15,190
No.

1445
01:33:15,190 --> 01:33:19,930
Yeah, I got that. I'm up to speed on that. Joe's got basically two votes

1446
01:33:21,410 --> 01:33:22,870
More than that. He's got the

1447
01:33:29,330 --> 01:33:31,190
Anybody want to vote against the boss

1448
01:33:32,470 --> 01:33:36,370
The planning director serves as the representative for the time I am teasing

1449
01:33:41,070 --> 01:33:42,630
Just trying to move things forward

1450
01:33:47,430 --> 01:33:49,970
You're the M-BAC guy. Let's go, Keith.

1451
01:33:52,190 --> 01:33:58,410
Okay, move that the Town Council approve the proposed changes in the Municipal Building Committee M-BAC.

1452
01:33:58,990 --> 01:34:01,250
Chata is recommended by M-BAC.

1453
01:34:01,890 --> 01:34:02,070
Second.

1454
01:34:02,670 --> 01:34:04,950
Most have been made and seconded by Mr. Sweeney.

1455
01:34:05,550 --> 01:34:06,570
All of those in favor?

1456
01:34:07,990 --> 01:34:08,610
Fantastic.

1457
01:34:09,330 --> 01:34:09,990
Thank you very much.

1458
01:34:11,070 --> 01:34:15,510
Community Development, Capital Improvement Plan, Presentation and Report.

1459
01:34:15,510 --> 01:34:21,410
Yeah, so Assistant Planner Crane Brubaker is here to speak about the CIP plan for 2027.

1460
01:34:21,850 --> 01:34:24,650
Glad to have you back, Assistant Planner.

1461
01:34:25,150 --> 01:34:25,310
Thank you.

1462
01:34:25,450 --> 01:34:26,270
He's got updated slides.

1463
01:34:28,450 --> 01:34:30,950
Yeah, if you could go to the next slide.

1464
01:34:31,790 --> 01:34:32,930
So, hi, Crane.

1465
01:34:33,590 --> 01:34:34,590
This is Planner.

1466
01:34:35,250 --> 01:34:41,150
So the CIP committee met earlier this summer as they normally do to do our normal CIP process.

1467
01:34:41,150 --> 01:34:43,550
you've seen some more presentations to this before.

1468
01:34:43,710 --> 01:34:45,870
This is the membership of the CIP committee.

1469
01:34:46,570 --> 01:34:47,990
If we could go to the next slide.

1470
01:34:48,130 --> 01:34:49,530
So this is the enabling legislation

1471
01:34:50,450 --> 01:34:52,610
for the creation of a CIP committee.

1472
01:34:52,970 --> 01:34:55,750
What a CIP committee is, is a capital improvement program

1473
01:34:55,750 --> 01:34:56,310
committee.

1474
01:34:56,770 --> 01:34:58,230
We look at the different projects

1475
01:34:58,230 --> 01:35:00,130
upcoming proposed for the next budget

1476
01:35:00,750 --> 01:35:03,430
and kind of hear department head presentations,

1477
01:35:04,550 --> 01:35:06,570
kind of take those recommendations,

1478
01:35:07,110 --> 01:35:09,510
create a spreadsheet and this presentation and report,

1479
01:35:09,510 --> 01:35:13,770
and then present it annually to the council and the town manager ahead of the budget.

1480
01:35:14,970 --> 01:35:19,730
The purpose of the committee is to kind of look at all these needs that the different

1481
01:35:19,730 --> 01:35:25,110
departments had and prioritize them and the ideal is to stabilize the town's tax rate

1482
01:35:25,110 --> 01:35:30,650
so we don't spend a lot of money in one year on capital and then very little on another

1483
01:35:30,650 --> 01:35:34,030
but to kind of gradually invest in our capital improvements.

1484
01:35:35,450 --> 01:35:41,370
capital project is anything that has a useful life of five years and costs over $150,000.

1485
01:35:42,050 --> 01:35:45,470
So the CIP exclusively looks at things that meet this definition.

1486
01:35:46,530 --> 01:35:49,590
Some of the items that are applicable to this are shown on the screen.

1487
01:35:51,310 --> 01:35:57,270
And they should also do one of these things, protecting health and safety, reducing future

1488
01:35:57,270 --> 01:36:02,250
operating costs or increasing revenues, preserving previous investments, et cetera.

1489
01:36:03,390 --> 01:36:10,150
Next slide. So Salem is growing. These are the population estimates and as your town grows,

1490
01:36:10,490 --> 01:36:15,350
there's a need to invest in the town and the different infrastructure that we have.

1491
01:36:17,170 --> 01:36:20,890
This year we started a little early and we did it quickly, which is good,

1492
01:36:21,370 --> 01:36:25,610
kind of streamlining the process. So we had a meeting in April to kick it off.

1493
01:36:26,150 --> 01:36:29,210
We heard from Department Heads in May and June and then we finalized our recommendations

1494
01:36:29,210 --> 01:36:29,830
in July.

1495
01:36:32,030 --> 01:36:38,670
A reminder, CIP just looks at significance and readiness of each project and ranks those

1496
01:36:38,670 --> 01:36:42,870
on a scale of one to four. And then we also keep in mind the year one tax impact when

1497
01:36:42,870 --> 01:36:48,050
looking at these and keeps these in mind for where we cut the line of what we recommend

1498
01:36:48,050 --> 01:36:48,970
and what we don't recommend.

1499
01:36:51,150 --> 01:36:54,490
The finance director calculates this annually per the

1500
01:36:54,490 --> 01:36:59,810
the 2022 or 2023 capital planning guidelines that the former Board of Selection adopted.

1501
01:37:00,650 --> 01:37:05,110
These were the floor and ceiling amounts, essentially, all the projects need to go in

1502
01:37:05,110 --> 01:37:11,710
between these two numbers, the floor, the amounts you can see on the screen, and then

1503
01:37:11,710 --> 01:37:16,370
the total year one tax impact of the recommended projects is that 5.4.

1504
01:37:18,370 --> 01:37:21,670
So this is the spreadsheet of the CIP recommendations.

1505
01:37:21,670 --> 01:37:28,250
I won't go through all of them, but essentially things included are like the road program.

1506
01:37:28,670 --> 01:37:33,470
We also consider sewer and water projects, so there's one of each of those.

1507
01:37:33,790 --> 01:37:36,350
That's the blue line and the green line in there.

1508
01:37:37,050 --> 01:37:41,770
Everything in the top seven projects were recommended for funding in this upcoming 27

1509
01:37:41,770 --> 01:37:42,430
budget year.

1510
01:37:43,090 --> 01:37:46,110
The year one tax impact is included in that.

1511
01:37:46,110 --> 01:37:52,850
If you see a zero in there that's either using grant funding fund balance grants or bonding

1512
01:37:52,850 --> 01:37:54,790
So for example the fire station

1513
01:37:55,270 --> 01:37:59,010
We would propose to bond that so that says zero for what year on tax impact

1514
01:38:00,710 --> 01:38:05,310
And then the recommended projects for deferral to a future year are the ones in red

1515
01:38:12,440 --> 01:38:18,180
No, go ahead. No, go ahead. No, it's all right. This is my packet. I read it. Okay

1516
01:38:18,180 --> 01:38:24,860
Yep, so we also work collaboratively with James and MBAC to kind of give the CIP Committee

1517
01:38:24,860 --> 01:38:31,240
an overview of the different public facilities needs, and then in kind of alignment and discussion

1518
01:38:31,240 --> 01:38:37,140
with these, the top two recommended projects were the Lawrence Road Fire Station, which

1519
01:38:37,140 --> 01:38:40,800
you heard about earlier tonight, and then the second one was for the Municipal Services

1520
01:38:40,800 --> 01:38:45,400
Building Phase 2, that was the number two recommended project, and then we also

1521
01:38:45,400 --> 01:38:49,140
heard the facilities master plan, which James and Embeck have been working hard on.

1522
01:38:51,240 --> 01:38:55,180
This is just a slide showing the number of projects over the six years in the report.

1523
01:38:57,940 --> 01:39:06,460
As you can see, the primary effect of each project is the vast majority is to replace

1524
01:39:06,460 --> 01:39:09,400
or repair existing facilities or equipment that the town has.

1525
01:39:09,400 --> 01:39:14,760
because a lot of it is outdated and kind of kicking the can down the road as people have

1526
01:39:14,760 --> 01:39:21,000
said in the past. So that's a lot of the primary effect of each project. Next slide.

1527
01:39:22,360 --> 01:39:26,960
Again just what recommended for funding in deferral means recommended for funding is

1528
01:39:26,960 --> 01:39:32,000
just recommending to the town manager and the council that the CIP committee thinks

1529
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:36,660
this project should be included in the 27 budget and then if something is recommended

1530
01:39:36,660 --> 01:39:42,300
for deferral that just says to the department heads and whatnot that we

1531
01:39:42,300 --> 01:39:46,640
think it should just be shifted to an outer year and that they can bring it

1532
01:39:46,640 --> 01:39:50,700
back the next year if they think it's a priority project but just for deferral

1533
01:39:50,700 --> 01:39:54,900
so that's kind of the clarification of those two things and then just bring

1534
01:39:54,900 --> 01:39:58,140
it back this is just to bring back if you had any questions on any of the

1535
01:39:58,140 --> 01:40:01,380
projects on here but other than that that's the end of my presentation

1536
01:40:09,000 --> 01:40:09,520
Questions?

1537
01:40:13,630 --> 01:40:14,110
No.

1538
01:40:16,700 --> 01:40:22,560
This is information only. No motion required. So if you have something, Mr. Bettencourt?

1539
01:40:23,160 --> 01:40:28,680
I guess I'll only say this. Going back to, I guess, the criteria by which they grade the projects,

1540
01:40:29,880 --> 01:40:37,820
I believe I heard it said that they look at the year one tax impact. That's a little bit concerning to me only in so far as,

1541
01:40:38,920 --> 01:40:43,920
I think the vast majority of these things I believe are bonded and so depending on how

1542
01:40:43,920 --> 01:40:48,980
you structure the bond you can come out of the gate with a tax impact that is incredibly

1543
01:40:48,980 --> 01:40:49,480
low.

1544
01:40:50,120 --> 01:40:55,340
I mean I think in some cases when I'm thinking back now many years, so my memory is what

1545
01:40:55,340 --> 01:41:01,480
it is, when we were doing some of the school renovations, those bonds are structured

1546
01:41:01,480 --> 01:41:06,220
that I think the year one impact in some cases was zero and then it would ratchet

1547
01:41:06,220 --> 01:41:11,680
it up over time, now granted they would try to coordinate and time that up with other things

1548
01:41:11,680 --> 01:41:15,960
that bond payments are coming down to try to make it all a little bit equal.

1549
01:41:16,520 --> 01:41:24,200
But if you're using only the year one impact as a criteria, I can see how that's a bit

1550
01:41:24,200 --> 01:41:24,680
flawed.

1551
01:41:25,980 --> 01:41:27,620
Well, I think it's a combination.

1552
01:41:28,060 --> 01:41:28,820
Go ahead, Mr. Chair.

1553
01:41:28,960 --> 01:41:29,400
Yeah.

1554
01:41:29,700 --> 01:41:35,000
So we do look at what the overall price is going to be for it, and it also we

1555
01:41:35,000 --> 01:41:39,200
We go into it knowing that it impacts what the next year's floor and ceiling is going

1556
01:41:39,200 --> 01:41:41,800
to be for the future project.

1557
01:41:41,960 --> 01:41:46,420
So it is considered on these presentations and on the spreadsheet, there's the six-year

1558
01:41:46,420 --> 01:41:51,620
funding and the first-year tax impact just so that we can have some sort of sense of planning.

1559
01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:55,820
But we do – we don't know to the exact letter because we don't know what the interest

1560
01:41:55,820 --> 01:42:00,360
rate might be on a bond versus everything else, but we do know and it does impact

1561
01:42:00,360 --> 01:42:04,040
what the next year's floor or ceiling will be – mainly the ceiling.

1562
01:42:04,040 --> 01:42:07,860
It impacts what the future ceiling is going to be on it.

1563
01:42:08,100 --> 01:42:09,600
I get that, Joe.

1564
01:42:10,240 --> 01:42:14,780
My issue is that in some cases, it

1565
01:42:14,780 --> 01:42:16,180
should be more holistic than that.

1566
01:42:16,860 --> 01:42:20,500
I mean, I would argue that if that criteria is there

1567
01:42:20,500 --> 01:42:23,000
to try to look out for the taxpayer,

1568
01:42:24,060 --> 01:42:26,740
you've got to somehow factor in whatever the highest payment

1569
01:42:26,740 --> 01:42:28,000
is going to be as well.

1570
01:42:29,220 --> 01:42:32,440
And I think we're conservative as to what,

1571
01:42:32,440 --> 01:42:34,740
and I think the finance director and the team

1572
01:42:34,740 --> 01:42:39,060
has conserved as to what interest rate or total cost

1573
01:42:39,060 --> 01:42:41,060
they think is gonna be for the project.

1574
01:42:41,580 --> 01:42:43,620
And then typically, I think it even comes in lower

1575
01:42:43,620 --> 01:42:45,780
when it looks at when we get the budget

1576
01:42:45,780 --> 01:42:47,180
and start building what programs

1577
01:42:47,180 --> 01:42:48,160
we're actually gonna pursue.

1578
01:42:48,720 --> 01:42:49,920
You know, when I get Bob's point

1579
01:42:49,920 --> 01:42:51,840
that it's one factor of a couple.

1580
01:42:53,900 --> 01:42:58,280
But like I said, I just see a little bit of a flaw there

1581
01:42:58,280 --> 01:43:01,580
in that particular factor given how these things

1582
01:43:01,580 --> 01:43:06,820
can be structured sometimes. And I get your point that it's hard to pin down the exact

1583
01:43:06,820 --> 01:43:08,500
number as well. Ms. Withrup.

1584
01:43:08,960 --> 01:43:12,860
Just, DJ, I agree, but I think that's kind of our job when it comes to budget season

1585
01:43:12,860 --> 01:43:16,560
to be thinking, do we want to support that in the budget, knowing what it's going to

1586
01:43:16,560 --> 01:43:19,580
be. So I think that's when we start critically thinking about all these things.

1587
01:43:20,480 --> 01:43:22,580
Fair enough. Mr. Devine.

1588
01:43:22,980 --> 01:43:26,700
And just to your point, when I developed the budget this year for the 2027, I

1589
01:43:26,700 --> 01:43:30,640
did look at what the recommendation of capital were. I took the debt service into mind.

1590
01:43:30,640 --> 01:43:34,700
and also we remember we leased in it a pumper this year as well so we have a

1591
01:43:34,700 --> 01:43:37,960
lease payment for the next five years that we're paying on for a pumper so

1592
01:43:37,960 --> 01:43:41,440
when you see the capital I can tell you that the number you're going to see is

1593
01:43:41,440 --> 01:43:45,440
not that number I've reduced it because of debt service payments and because of

1594
01:43:45,440 --> 01:43:48,960
other things that are going to be in consideration okay so thank

1595
01:43:51,520 --> 01:43:51,920
you great

1596
01:43:52,840 --> 01:43:57,840
oh mr. Pellett did you have a question just one more question the lake

1597
01:43:57,840 --> 01:44:03,240
Lake and Bluff Street water main extension is that what funds that coming

1598
01:44:03,240 --> 01:44:07,060
out of that capital fund or is that the water fund water fund that comes out of

1599
01:44:07,060 --> 01:44:11,800
the water fund is that what the blue line represents okay thank you okay

1600
01:44:15,130 --> 01:44:15,450
thanks

1601
01:44:15,450 --> 01:44:22,670
great I appreciate it next up F F for finance that must be why you're staying

1602
01:44:22,670 --> 01:44:27,670
here I thought for sure you would have hit the escape pod I thought about it

1603
01:44:27,670 --> 01:44:28,150
No, I'm just kidding.

1604
01:44:29,610 --> 01:44:30,890
I've been thinking about it.

1605
01:44:31,550 --> 01:44:32,210
Go ahead.

1606
01:44:32,610 --> 01:44:34,110
Luckily, this one's going to be really fast,

1607
01:44:34,150 --> 01:44:34,830
and there's no PowerPoint.

1608
01:44:35,870 --> 01:44:40,390
We have a property who had a betterment.

1609
01:44:40,930 --> 01:44:42,750
They now add in an accessory drilling unit.

1610
01:44:43,550 --> 01:44:47,070
When we had betterments, it covered any additions,

1611
01:44:47,270 --> 01:44:48,290
anything for the future.

1612
01:44:48,750 --> 01:44:51,590
So technically, we are supposed to charge them a DBA,

1613
01:44:51,770 --> 01:44:53,350
but really not because they paid a betterment.

1614
01:44:53,590 --> 01:44:57,610
So our code requires that it goes to the town council

1615
01:44:57,610 --> 01:44:59,970
to waive the DBA for the...

1616
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:04,780
The accessory drilling unit, so I'm here to ask that you waive that DBA fee because they

1617
01:45:04,780 --> 01:45:05,660
paid their betterment.

1618
01:45:06,260 --> 01:45:09,640
Well, they did. Motion.

1619
01:45:11,200 --> 01:45:12,100
Mr. Sweeney.

1620
01:45:12,300 --> 01:45:16,240
Mr. Chairman, at this time I move that the Town Council grants a request for a waiver of the

1621
01:45:16,240 --> 01:45:21,940
sewer portion of the demand and benefit assessment as requested by property owners at 65 Wheeler

1622
01:45:21,940 --> 01:45:29,920
Avenue as authorized under Salem Municipal Code Chapter 455-4E.

1623
01:45:29,920 --> 01:45:38,000
second motion been made and seconded by Ms. Withrow all those in favor 8 to 0 thank

1624
01:45:38,000 --> 01:45:39,180
you now

1625
01:45:41,900 --> 01:45:47,740
you can hit the escape pod okay not seeing anything else Tom manages

1626
01:45:47,740 --> 01:45:52,860
report and questions from the council great so just wanted to let the

1627
01:45:52,860 --> 01:45:55,780
council know the town of Salem is being recognized by the New England Water

1628
01:45:55,780 --> 01:45:58,580
Works Association for 30 years of membership and support in their

1629
01:45:58,580 --> 01:46:03,200
organization. So Fred Wallace, the Utilities Director will be attending

1630
01:46:03,200 --> 01:46:08,160
their upcoming meeting to accept that award on the town's behalf. I'm happy to

1631
01:46:08,160 --> 01:46:12,040
report that if you weren't aware all municipal websites are required to be

1632
01:46:12,040 --> 01:46:17,860
ADA compliant by April 26th of 2028. We have already taken our steps and we

1633
01:46:17,860 --> 01:46:22,000
are already fully ADA compliant with our website now, so we meet the

1634
01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:25,520
requirements that the federal government has passed out to all the towns, so

1635
01:46:25,520 --> 01:46:30,880
we're happy to get that completed. Beginning September 8th last week we

1636
01:46:30,880 --> 01:46:34,920
started afternoon inspectional service counter hours so if the public needs to

1637
01:46:34,920 --> 01:46:38,700
come in and get building permits and things like that from 330 to 430 we

1638
01:46:38,700 --> 01:46:43,200
now offer counter service hours again for them to come in, pull permits, talk to

1639
01:46:43,200 --> 01:46:49,080
the inspectors, things like that. You already heard about bridge-tree bridge

1640
01:46:49,080 --> 01:46:52,180
update and where we're sitting so I'm going to skip over that one. Armour

1641
01:46:52,180 --> 01:46:55,220
Road has begun as well if you haven't been on Route 111 so that

1642
01:46:55,220 --> 01:46:59,520
construction has started. There's going to be traffic patterns and delays shifting traffic

1643
01:46:59,520 --> 01:47:03,920
a lot out there, so I just want to make the motorizing public aware that that is happening

1644
01:47:03,920 --> 01:47:08,920
and just to stay vigilant while you're out there. Also something we spoke about during

1645
01:47:08,920 --> 01:47:12,320
the rail trail project, I just wanted to kind of make the public aware. Originally

1646
01:47:12,320 --> 01:47:16,740
we had talked about Brunella Road tying into Route 28 with the rail trail. We decided

1647
01:47:16,740 --> 01:47:19,900
not to tie that in. This is something we've talked about in the past, but I just

1648
01:47:19,900 --> 01:47:24,080
want to make it public aware. We are still looking at the future of that intersection

1649
01:47:24,080 --> 01:47:26,720
and it may be adding turning lanes on 28,

1650
01:47:26,880 --> 01:47:29,160
but we will not be connecting Burnella Road onto 28.

1651
01:47:29,480 --> 01:47:31,480
The rail trail is gonna be going through that pass

1652
01:47:31,480 --> 01:47:32,960
right there and there will not be a connection.

1653
01:47:33,660 --> 01:47:35,060
The original plan was for ring roads,

1654
01:47:35,280 --> 01:47:37,560
if you remember back when we started talking about this.

1655
01:47:38,440 --> 01:47:40,180
If you look at Central Street,

1656
01:47:40,300 --> 01:47:41,800
there's really no way to make a ring road

1657
01:47:41,800 --> 01:47:43,780
because they're both one-way turns coming out.

1658
01:47:43,880 --> 01:47:46,380
So there's no real benefit to making that into a ring road

1659
01:47:46,380 --> 01:47:48,160
which is why we decided not to go forward with it.

1660
01:47:48,620 --> 01:47:52,000
And then there's a lot of talk in the media

1661
01:47:52,000 --> 01:47:56,520
and out there about flock cameras I just want everyone to know in Salem we

1662
01:47:56,520 --> 01:48:00,120
don't have flock cameras the traffic cameras that you see on our intersections

1663
01:48:00,120 --> 01:48:04,340
are just that the traffic cameras they are not recorded by the town there's a

1664
01:48:04,340 --> 01:48:11,160
specific RSA that 261 75 be that governs traffic cameras and recording and we do

1665
01:48:11,160 --> 01:48:15,720
not record any of our cameras they are just there for monitoring and the

1666
01:48:15,720 --> 01:48:18,020
public can go on to look at those cameras as well they're available on

1667
01:48:18,020 --> 01:48:21,240
our YouTube website or from our town website but they are not flock cameras

1668
01:48:21,240 --> 01:48:25,100
They're not reading license plates or doing anything like that. So I just want to put that out there. Okay, great

1669
01:48:27,160 --> 01:48:35,580
Questions from the council mr. Stremalia. Where does the flock camera on 20 in doing pointing in to sale? I

1670
01:48:35,580 --> 01:48:41,520
Have I I'd have to look at that. I'm not I'm not prepared to answer that right now where the camera is in Massachusetts

1671
01:48:41,520 --> 01:48:44,320
I understand it's facing into the hamptons. I have to get the legality of that

1672
01:48:44,320 --> 01:48:48,660
I don't know that up top man because it's one right by Lowell was pointing right up

1673
01:48:51,640 --> 01:48:56,880
between the mobile station, the bank, the little – right there.

1674
01:48:58,700 --> 01:48:59,980
Question, Mr. Beckincourt.

1675
01:49:00,420 --> 01:49:02,780
So a compliment and then a question.

1676
01:49:03,300 --> 01:49:08,620
I don't know who on the staff undertook the project to make all of the websites ADA-compliant,

1677
01:49:08,700 --> 01:49:12,860
but I can tell you that is one bare project.

1678
01:49:13,260 --> 01:49:18,420
I mean, it's important, of course, but there's a lot more that goes into it than

1679
01:49:18,420 --> 01:49:19,440
people realize.

1680
01:49:19,440 --> 01:49:26,920
it's a lot of work. So I don't know who did that, but my respect and appreciation to them, because that is not easy.

1681
01:49:26,940 --> 01:49:28,400
A crane in Sierra tackled most of it.

1682
01:49:28,740 --> 01:49:36,840
Good on them. We've obviously had a number of conversations throughout the course of the spring, summer, and now into the fall about water.

1683
01:49:37,500 --> 01:49:41,620
Are we planning to draw down Arlington earlier than usual?

1684
01:49:42,500 --> 01:49:46,360
Last time I spoke to Fred, we are not planning on making a switch over to Arlington earlier.

1685
01:49:46,360 --> 01:49:50,780
We're still adjusting our flow rates from Manchester right now, so we're still looking

1686
01:49:50,780 --> 01:49:54,920
at somewhere right around after Halloween to be making that switch over, I believe.

1687
01:49:55,400 --> 01:49:58,740
I believe the Municipal Services Director is going to be coming in with a water update

1688
01:49:58,740 --> 01:50:01,240
at your next meeting, so you'll have that coming up as well.

1689
01:50:01,340 --> 01:50:06,140
Just as long as the folks who live along there know when to pull their boats, that's

1690
01:50:06,140 --> 01:50:06,500
important.

1691
01:50:09,980 --> 01:50:14,160
Just a comment with regards to, I don't know about anybody else in town, but I've

1692
01:50:14,160 --> 01:50:19,100
been getting a lot of documentation from Clean Choice Energy, and I just want people to realize

1693
01:50:19,620 --> 01:50:24,620
this is not the group that we deal with here in Salem to get the reduced energy rate.

1694
01:50:25,180 --> 01:50:31,060
So I know that this is the second mailer I've received, so I just want to make sure

1695
01:50:31,060 --> 01:50:37,060
that people are not confused by this thinking because their rate is much higher than what

1696
01:50:37,060 --> 01:50:38,480
we have our agreement.

1697
01:50:39,060 --> 01:50:41,920
We use freedom energy, so it could be coming from freedom.

1698
01:50:42,380 --> 01:50:44,080
So I just want them to realize that.

1699
01:50:44,540 --> 01:50:45,060
Thank you.

1700
01:50:46,180 --> 01:50:46,900
Anybody else?

1701
01:50:47,520 --> 01:50:47,920
Please.

1702
01:50:48,460 --> 01:50:48,640
Oh.

1703
01:50:50,540 --> 01:50:51,300
Ms. Whitthrow.

1704
01:50:51,720 --> 01:50:54,340
So I want to talk briefly about the finance committee.

1705
01:50:54,580 --> 01:50:59,360
Now that's a committee that we formed, and we kind of set them off on a mission and

1706
01:50:59,360 --> 01:51:00,060
then cut bait.

1707
01:51:00,540 --> 01:51:04,900
So I feel there should be some kind of communication, connection with them, a little guidance along

1708
01:51:04,900 --> 01:51:05,320
the way.

1709
01:51:05,460 --> 01:51:07,080
I'm not sure how you'd like to structure that.

1710
01:51:07,300 --> 01:51:07,780
I'm willing to.

1711
01:51:07,900 --> 01:51:11,540
I sat in on their last meeting and they did great.

1712
01:51:11,540 --> 01:51:15,760
I'm not saying anything bad, but I just feel like we should be staying in somewhat communication

1713
01:51:15,760 --> 01:51:18,960
with them with some guidance as to what we're looking for.

1714
01:51:19,140 --> 01:51:22,680
So I don't know how we want to do that, but I'd like to do that.

1715
01:51:23,240 --> 01:51:23,500
Okay.

1716
01:51:24,660 --> 01:51:29,200
I mean, I'm happy to – if – during those meetings, if you want me to come early and

1717
01:51:29,200 --> 01:51:31,860
talk, stay after if you want a separate meeting, like whatever you want, like whatever

1718
01:51:31,860 --> 01:51:33,540
works, I don't know.

1719
01:51:35,980 --> 01:51:37,340
What was the definition?

1720
01:51:37,540 --> 01:51:38,940
I thought they were autonomous from us.

1721
01:51:39,960 --> 01:51:46,600
They are autonomous. It's your committee meeting, you guys have established them, but they are

1722
01:51:46,600 --> 01:51:50,280
autonomous. They are a separate body looking at the budget, looking at the fee schedule,

1723
01:51:50,520 --> 01:51:54,980
looking at the finances of the town, and then making recommendations to the town council

1724
01:51:54,980 --> 01:52:00,100
based off of what they're seeing for you to decide if you want to follow those directions

1725
01:52:00,100 --> 01:52:01,320
or go in a different way.

1726
01:52:01,320 --> 01:52:03,620
Is there confusion as to what they're supposed to be doing?

1727
01:52:03,860 --> 01:52:08,140
I just think if we want them to be successful, because we put them in place, because

1728
01:52:08,140 --> 01:52:13,700
there were some issues with another committee. So if we want them to be beneficial and successful,

1729
01:52:14,080 --> 01:52:18,040
I feel like we're going to be cutting them loose if we don't get something out of them.

1730
01:52:18,060 --> 01:52:21,640
So I'd like to be able to see and stay in communication. I'm not looking to give any

1731
01:52:21,640 --> 01:52:25,700
specific guidance or say, do this or don't do that. I'm not that. I just feel like

1732
01:52:26,320 --> 01:52:32,720
to be to clarify some things that we're looking for, why they were there and what was what's

1733
01:52:32,720 --> 01:52:34,640
supposed to be different between them and the budget committee.

1734
01:52:36,890 --> 01:52:37,330
Okay.

1735
01:52:37,990 --> 01:52:40,530
Yeah, I'm just a little confused.

1736
01:52:40,850 --> 01:52:41,090
That's all.

1737
01:52:41,430 --> 01:52:41,950
I'm sorry.

1738
01:52:42,990 --> 01:52:44,250
I just been there.

1739
01:52:44,410 --> 01:52:44,910
I haven't been there.

1740
01:52:44,930 --> 01:52:45,190
It's a time of night.

1741
01:52:45,430 --> 01:52:46,710
It is a time of night.

1742
01:52:47,810 --> 01:52:52,170
Mr. Bettencourt, so I think Lisa brings up a very good point, and I think one of the

1743
01:52:52,170 --> 01:52:56,070
things that could be very helpful to them, I don't know if we're going to do this

1744
01:52:56,070 --> 01:53:01,030
at our next meeting, but have we set budget goals for this year?

1745
01:53:02,630 --> 01:53:09,610
You're going to have your first budget presentation and discussion on October 1st at 6 o'clock

1746
01:53:09,610 --> 01:53:10,050
at night.

1747
01:53:10,670 --> 01:53:18,470
Well, we may want to move that up so that they can have some sense of direction as to

1748
01:53:19,010 --> 01:53:20,010
what we're thinking.

1749
01:53:20,530 --> 01:53:24,790
So I did bring this up at a meeting back, I believe it was either the meeting in August

1750
01:53:24,790 --> 01:53:28,990
or a meeting in July asking for direction from the council as I was establishing the budget.

1751
01:53:29,650 --> 01:53:32,730
The direction I got was obviously to be as low as I can.

1752
01:53:33,190 --> 01:53:36,790
My goal was to keep it under CPI, which I thought was a realistic goal.

1753
01:53:37,410 --> 01:53:39,590
The Council, my consensus seemed to agree with that.

1754
01:53:39,950 --> 01:53:42,130
And the budget that I'm delivering is below CPI.

1755
01:53:42,930 --> 01:53:45,490
No, and I think that those are good goals for you.

1756
01:53:46,270 --> 01:53:49,850
Keeping it as low as possible, of course, is like, that's an evergreen goal.

1757
01:53:50,550 --> 01:53:51,810
That never goes away.

1758
01:53:52,770 --> 01:53:55,650
But we may in the future to avoid this problem

1759
01:53:55,650 --> 01:54:01,350
may want to, in the process of giving Joe some goals, be a little bit more robust

1760
01:54:01,350 --> 01:54:06,950
and detailed so that it kind of signals to them what we're thinking about and so

1761
01:54:06,950 --> 01:54:09,650
they can keep that in mind as they're doing their work.

1762
01:54:10,050 --> 01:54:22,170
Yeah, I agree with that. You know, being more specific because I think that needs to be a real understanding about

1763
01:54:22,170 --> 01:54:28,990
warrant articles proposed and the rate in the in the bottom-line budget and how

1764
01:54:28,990 --> 01:54:35,130
they interact and what the reality is of what what one does to the other so that

1765
01:54:35,130 --> 01:54:39,890
we're saying you know a 3% when all of a sudden it's really not a 3% yeah so I

1766
01:54:39,890 --> 01:54:43,010
think that people really need to understand that because I think there's

1767
01:54:43,010 --> 01:54:48,550
always there's always a you know a little bit of misunderstanding there new

1768
01:54:48,550 --> 01:54:54,050
committee. So they don't have the history. Right. So I would like to try to help keep

1769
01:54:54,050 --> 01:55:04,250
them on track. Yeah, on track. Thank you. Okay. You're in charge. If you would like to go to the next one.

1770
01:55:04,250 --> 01:55:09,390
I went to last one. I plan on going to the next one. Okay. Come back and work it out with Joe.

1771
01:55:09,610 --> 01:55:12,930
See if there's some way that we can tell

1772
01:55:14,950 --> 01:55:17,790
him what our thoughts are. If anyone wants to tell me.

1773
01:55:17,790 --> 01:55:25,490
Well, tell them what our thoughts may be, our direction, whatever, without directing them.

1774
01:55:25,830 --> 01:55:31,570
Yeah, when they first look at it, I'd like to know what they think, and I don't want

1775
01:55:31,570 --> 01:55:37,670
to necessarily cloud their judgment or give them, you know, this is supposed to be chocolate

1776
01:55:37,670 --> 01:55:43,110
and it's really, no, just do it the way it's supposed to be done, and how you

1777
01:55:43,110 --> 01:55:45,490
would do it, and then tell me if it looks right.

1778
01:55:45,490 --> 01:55:48,190
looking at everything yeah I just want to make sure they have a wide-angle lens

1779
01:55:48,190 --> 01:55:53,950
yeah that's all yeah don't want to tell them what to do but just want to make

1780
01:55:53,950 --> 01:56:01,810
sure they're seeing the bigger picture anything else just when you do the

1781
01:56:01,810 --> 01:56:04,810
upcoming meetings a reminder the next meeting is going to be at the new

1782
01:56:04,810 --> 01:56:09,630
police station yep so oh yes so let's make a couple of announcements upcoming

1783
01:56:09,630 --> 01:56:17,550
meetings will be next but this Saturday at the new police station tours will be

1784
01:56:17,550 --> 01:56:25,510
given at 10 to 12 10 to 12 if you are anybody in town who's been driving by

1785
01:56:25,510 --> 01:56:30,470
that building and watching it develop over the amount of time it's taken to

1786
01:56:30,470 --> 01:56:40,150
develop under budget with no with no undue critters running around or anything

1787
01:56:40,150 --> 01:56:45,770
it's been great and so this is the opportunity to look inside and see what

1788
01:56:45,770 --> 01:56:51,810
we've done the chief's office is not as big as you think and for those of you

1789
01:56:51,810 --> 01:56:55,990
who thought the chandelier in the hallway was a little big so is the

1790
01:56:55,990 --> 01:57:02,210
hallway so I didn't think a 60 watt bulb would do it so we're gonna leave it

1791
01:57:02,210 --> 01:57:06,930
the way it is anyway September 28th is the next meeting we will be at the

1792
01:57:06,930 --> 01:57:13,050
police station in the new community room which will seat a few people almost

1793
01:57:13,050 --> 01:57:19,710
like this and then October 1st is our first budget presentation and

1794
01:57:19,710 --> 01:57:25,490
discussion on warrant articles that'll be at 6 p.m. October 5th is a

1795
01:57:25,490 --> 01:57:31,610
regular meeting at seven October 7th is the preliminary discussion of the

1796
01:57:31,610 --> 01:57:39,170
2027 budget in warrant articles October 14th will be our votes on that budget in

1797
01:57:39,170 --> 01:57:44,310
those warrant articles and then October 19th will have a 7 o'clock regular

1798
01:57:44,310 --> 01:57:53,830
meeting any questions do we is everybody going to take budget books or

1799
01:57:53,830 --> 01:57:57,290
are they going to take software or how do you want to handle?

1800
01:57:58,090 --> 01:58:00,830
Again, we would like, we prefer people to use gravity,

1801
01:58:00,910 --> 01:58:02,630
and some people still aren't 100% comfortable

1802
01:58:02,630 --> 01:58:03,750
with the budgeting software.

1803
01:58:04,310 --> 01:58:05,610
In my email that is in our Friday,

1804
01:58:05,750 --> 01:58:08,330
I did give you a PDF copy already of the budget

1805
01:58:08,330 --> 01:58:09,250
if you want to look at it.

1806
01:58:09,750 --> 01:58:10,890
We're happy to print it out.

1807
01:58:11,170 --> 01:58:13,030
We're not going to do dividers and everything

1808
01:58:13,030 --> 01:58:14,770
like we've done in the past, but we're happy to print it out

1809
01:58:14,770 --> 01:58:16,590
and three hole punch it and stick it in a binder

1810
01:58:16,590 --> 01:58:17,470
if that's what you would like.

1811
01:58:18,790 --> 01:58:19,550
That's easy enough.

1812
01:58:21,150 --> 01:58:23,290
So if you're interested in a paper copy,

1813
01:58:23,290 --> 01:58:25,170
just send me an email and we'll make sure you have one.

1814
01:58:28,720 --> 01:58:31,300
Not hearing anything else at this time

1815
01:58:32,760 --> 01:58:39,780
I would take a motion. Motion to adjourn. Second. Motion's been made and seconded to adjourn the

1816
01:58:39,780 --> 01:58:46,920
meeting. All those in favor. Eight to zero that's unanimous thank you Salem for tuning in and we hope

1817
01:58:46,920 --> 01:58:53,020
that you will be on line with us on the 28th when we meet at the new Salem Police Department.

1818
01:58:53,020 --> 01:58:56,040
and thank you very much for tuning in. Good evening.