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Oh, I'd like to call to order this

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meeting of housing authority of the city

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of Salem for Monday, September 28th. If

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the recorder would please call the role.

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>> Commissioner Tyen,

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>> present.

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>> Commissioner Matthews,

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>> here.

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>> Vice Chair Gwyn,

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>> here.

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>> Present.

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Commissioner Bane,

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Commissioner Nordike here,

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Commissioner Barney here. Chair Nishioa,

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» you're muted, chair.

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» Thank you. I'm here.

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And would everyone rise for the pledge

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of allegiance?

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the United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands. One nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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So, moving on. Um, there are no

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additions or deletions to our agenda. Do

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we have anyone signed up for public

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comment?

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Mr. Mark Wig, please. You have three

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Okay, thanks. Yeah. What brings me

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tonight is uh again chasing campers out

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of Wallace and no place for them to go.

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And um but I didn't know whether the

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counselors knew that um the city owns 20

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acres next to Wallace Marine Park that

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they bought for Marine Drive and it

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includes four homes, 7,500 square ft of

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homes and 20 acres [clears throat] and

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that road was only going to need like

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four acres of that. And I talked to uh

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DJ Vincent who said he would be able to

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turn that into housing for a lot of

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relatively shortly, you know, in a quick

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amount of time. But I didn't know

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whether the, you know, it would be nice

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if council encouraged the city to let's

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investigate using that land.

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And um the other thing is um in doing

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that because it's 20 acres uh the city

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could also pass that and uh something

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like Eugene and Portland have done that

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allow a trailer to be parked and lived

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in on private land and uh so that would

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be good one too. Anyway,

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>> thank you for your testimony.

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So, moving on to our consent calendar.

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>> I'll make a motion to approve the

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consent calendar.

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>> Second.

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>> We have a motion and a second.

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>> Uh the consent calendar this evening

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consists of minutes uh from the August

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24th, 2026

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uh Salem Housing Authority meeting. Uh

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there's no action items on the consent

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calendar. There's resolution for the

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adoption of the fiscal year 2026 2027

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housing authority operating budget and

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HUD certification. And that's the end of

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>> Anyone have any questions?

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>> Vice Chair Gwen.

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>> Commissioner Brown.

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» There are no public hearings, no special

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orders of business. We do have an

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Is that you, Nicole? Welcome.

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Good evening. I'm Nicole Yuse. I'm the

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director director of housing for Salem

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Housing Authority. And tonight, um

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you'll see in our program management

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report, we had a wonderful event in

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August for uh back to school uh shop

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with a cop. Um many of our littlest

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residents were outfitted completely

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through collaboration with law

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enforcement partners and we greatly

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appreciate that continued partnership.

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Um, also in that information, we're

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excited to announce that we have been

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released from short sal short shortfall

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status from the from HUD. Um, we have

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our official notification. Um, that's

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pretty unheard of to be able to complete

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a shortfall process with HUD within less

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than a year's time. So, we're excited to

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be able to start releasing vouchers back

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into the community slowly. That doesn't

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mean that we have an abundance of

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vouchers to get out open and out on the

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streets. means we're very carefully

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monitoring our aotment and our available

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budget each month and working with

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partners and partnerships to continue to get some additional out there. Um,

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for those of you who don't know, we were

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uh provided uh notification that uh the

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10 uh fostering youth initiative

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vouchers that we had applied for have

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been uh provided to Salem Housing

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Authority and so we're quickly turned

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around and applied for five more. So,

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we've built a partnership with ODHS, uh,

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Church at the Park, and, um, uh, the

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Pulk Family Resource Center, uh, to help

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us provide wraparound supportive

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services for young adults aged 18 to 24.

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add and supply more for our young adult

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community in Salem.

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That also comes with $7,500 in

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additional admin fees um to our agency.

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We have supplied out $3.17 million into

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the community in the last month for

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housing choice voucher payments and

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we're still very carefully monitoring um

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rent reasonleness to keep our uh like I

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said keep us out of shortfall and

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continue to be out of shortfall

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hopefully into 2027. Uh that means out

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of uh 3,300 vouchers, we are only right

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now at 3,030 that we can uh provide

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assistance to. So uh every rent

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reasonableist, every rent increase that

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is coming through the agency is being

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carefully monitored and reviewed each

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one independently. Um and we're also

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seeing more and more rents out there on

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the market. So we're seeing more rentals

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come open in various uh zip codes. Uh so

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our landlord navigator was very busy.

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and so that's uh quite a few different

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uh cases that she's working and doing a

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great job. I wanted to uh we don't often

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talk about our mechanic team and I

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wanted to just point out that uh we had

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a HUD inspection uh this past month with

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uh Southair Apartments and we received a

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comment that we don't always get from

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HUD and I just wanted to pass this along

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because this really shows the commitment

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to that the team provides on our

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properties. Um they said what an amazing

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job your team did with Inspire REAC

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inspections. you had just a few uh life

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safety issues identified. Even though

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your score will not be released for some

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time, it's definitely going to be high.

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demonstrate toward your tenants and

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community, your group is an example for

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others to follow. There is nothing

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further you need to do at this time. So,

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that mechanic really um you can tell

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that he has a lot of care and ownership

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in his property. So, wanted to pass that

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along to show that we uh really try to

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go above and beyond and make sure that

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our uh apartment complexes throughout

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town are always good neighbors for the

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rest of the community and those who live

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there. And I'm happy to answer any

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» Thank you um Director Youths as always

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for your report. I should have said this

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while we were um considering your budget

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during the consent calendar, but I just

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um want to acknowledge and appreciate

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the executive summary that your team put

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together for your budget is very helpful

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to see that that that topline number to

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be able to share with the community. So,

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first off, thank you for that. Um and

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answered it and it's a topic we've

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discussed in the past, but um I'm

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responding to reporting that I've heard

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up in Portland that they might have as

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many as 2,200

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um unused affordable apartments in the

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Portland area because of rent

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compression.

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to that. Is that your understanding? And

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can you talk a little bit about Salem's

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rental market compared to Portland's and

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whether we have that coming in our

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future or if it's something we can

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actively manage?

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What we're seeing in Portland is a

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little different than what we're seeing

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in the Salem market. I don't know the

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exact number of affordable units, but I

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do know um that I've heard various

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different numbers anywhere from 900 to

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2,000 um out there. There are various

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different levels of affordable housing

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and I think that needs to be also

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distinguished is that a lot of times it

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gets clumped together as affordable

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housing even though some may believe

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that's subsidized housing and that isn't

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the always the case. Affordable housing

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um they actually set your rents based on

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an area. It's usually a year or two

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behind the scale. So what we saw what

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we're seeing happen in Portland is that

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the rents for affordable housing and

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what a lot of those affordable housing

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developers are requesting is now where

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we're seeing the private market starting

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to drop rents to and it's made it to be

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where that compression stands. And so

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when you're talking about trying to get

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an apartment and quickly get into an

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apartment, low-income housing tax

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credits have a what we like to call

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almost a mortgage amount of paperwork

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required to get through the door. And so

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there's individuals that will uh choose

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a private market that doesn't have all

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the regulatory requirements if it means

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there's a 20 to50 maybe $70 uh

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difference in the rents. We're closely

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monitoring that and of course I'd be

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happy to bring that back if we believe

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that this market may be headed into that

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same area, but we haven't had any

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indication that we've hit that point

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that a lot of the subsidized projects

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that we do, some of them are 60% AMI,

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which are obviously a much lower rent

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amount, but a lot of them are 80% AMI.

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okay then that must be that they're

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paying 80% of what the market is or

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whatever it might be even though that's

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not really the calculation that's done.

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the overall median area median income. I

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right now or maybe this is something you

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have to bring back for someone that's

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making 80 or that for a project that's

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at 80% AMI rent. Where is that at

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comparison right now to our market rent?

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Do you have a better idea?

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>> I would say it's probably closer to the

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payment standards for the section 8

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voucher program. Um, so

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let's say it's a two-bedroom, one bath

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in South Salem. I believe we're upwards

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of 16 about 15 to,600 a month in uh what

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the fair market rent can handle. So 80%

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is going to be right pretty close to our

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fair market rents. So, our 80%

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subsidized units are equaling out about

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where our fair market is right now.

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Okay, good. Thank you.

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>> And I will say that we there's I should

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also say that we're seeing what we're

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seeing in the affordable housing market

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too is not only a compression on the

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rents, but we're also seeing a

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compression on the area median incomes.

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So, uh, some of those units are sitting

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vacant because it's very challenging to

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hit 60% of below, um, working with maybe

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a double household income. Uh, even with

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a standardized working at home like

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let's say Home Depot or, uh, Amazon or

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something, the two person household,

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maybe with two or three children in it,

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then they still are over income. So

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we're really seeing that people are just

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above that 60% or they're well below and

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they need to be subsidized. So there's a

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little bit of a gap in the area median

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incomes that's also become very

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challenging and that's why we're also

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working for towards partnerships and

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what's called workforce housing the 80%

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um because that actually allows that

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little bit more uh income into the

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household for those two uh household

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earners that to be able to qualify for

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affordable housing.

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» Anyone else?

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Nicole, oh, go ahead.

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>> I would just like to follow up, you

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know, um, as we look at things like our

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housing production strategy. Um, at one

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of our previous meetings, we were

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talking about using the bond funds

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towards um, housing projects as we use

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the federal funds that come through

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housing projects. I just really value

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you and your your team staff perspective

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on this and how if we can get just a

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little bit more ahead of these issues,

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then we're maybe have some strategy in

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place to to stay ahead of compression

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like this.

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>> Um I think all of us on the housing

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authority and on the council really want

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to make sure that every dime that we

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spend on affordable housing people can

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actually use and not have it sit vacant.

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So to the extent that you've got

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perspective on these markets as they

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shift over the next 12 months um 18

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months, it's really valuable to bring

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that back to us. So thank you.

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>> Absolutely.

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>> And I wanted to say although you kind of

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skipped over it, I think the being

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called out for doing a great job by HUD,

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that's huge. Um no, it really is. I

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mean, usually they're like, "Check the

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box, you're okay." or or but for them to

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take that extra time to acknowledge what

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a great job you guys are doing speaks

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volumes I think. So, thank you so much.

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>> It's definitely a nice change. I've been

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here 24 years and it's not very often

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you get that comment.

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>> Yeah, absolutely.

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Was there a presentation too

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or

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>> on the budget? But if there's no

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>> Okay. Did anyone have any questions on

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the budget presentation?

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>> And were you were you good?

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>> Yes, I'm good.

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>> Oh, did you have a question?

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>> Are we going to look at the budget or we

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just is Was it part of the consent

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calendar? It was

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>> my

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perfect.

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>> Okay. So if that is all I think we are

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adjourned.

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>> Thank you.

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I'd like to call to order this meeting

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of Salem City Council for

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Monday, September 28th, 2026. Will the

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recorder please call the role?

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>> Councelor Tyen,

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>> present.

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>> Councelor Mishoka

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>> here. Councelor Matthews

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>> here.

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>> Councelor Gwen

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>> here.

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>> Councelor Brown

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>> present.

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>> Councelor Bang absent. Councelor Nordike

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>> here. Councelor Vney

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>> here. Mayor Julie Hoy

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>> here. All right. Uh, chair prom,

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do we have any additions or deletions to

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the agenda?

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>> We do have an addition item 4.2.

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Um, it's a presentation

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on the um, I'm sorry, the public hearing

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letter this evening.

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And we have some written testimony. 4.1.

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» All right. Thank you.

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Can we have a motion?

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>> I move approval of the additions and

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deletions to the agenda.

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>> Second.

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>> We have a motion and a second.

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Give us just one moment.

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>> Okay, great. Will the recorder please

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call the role?

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>> Councelor Nishioa

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» I.

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>> Councelor Matthews

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>> I.

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>> Councelor Gwyn

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>> I.

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>> Councelor Brown

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>> I.

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>> Councelor Bang absent. Councelor Nordai.

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>> I.

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>> Councelor Vney.

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>> I.

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>> Councelor Tyen. I,

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>> Mayor Julie Hoy,

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>> I. Okay, we're moving on to council and

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city manager comment. Does anyone have

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anything they'd like to share?

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>> Councelor Nordic, go ahead. Thank you so

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much. Good evening, folks. I just want

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to let you know that I am continuing

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with my monthly garbage cleanup

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projects. These are held second Fridays

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8:00 a.m. to 10:00 a.m. And we change

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the location every time because we want

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to change and really share in that

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spirit of volunteerism around the city

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and ensure that not just one part of

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town is getting the additional support.

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So for the month of October, our garbage

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cleanup will be located at Fiser Road

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Park and that is located at 4350

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Fiser Road Northeast. That is in Ward 5.

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this time. Very excited to travel out to

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that area. Anyone is welcome. You don't

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have to live in Northeast Salem, but if

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you would like to be a part of that, you

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are welcome to attend. As always, we do

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have an RSVP link because we want to

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know if you're coming. If we know you're

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coming, we'll have enough donuts.

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Deliberate pause there while you linger

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over which one you'll want. Is it the

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Bearclaw? Is it the apple? You'll just

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have to RSVP to ensure we have enough

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food. Of course. Uh but also we want to

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make sure we have enough safety vests,

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uh garbage bags, sterile gloves, the

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pickers, all those things to ensure that

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we have a fun but also a very safe

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experience. So if you would like to

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RSVP, please visit my Facebook page and

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click the events tab. I've also pinned

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this event to the top of my profile to

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make it easy to find. So, one more time,

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that is Friday, October 9, 8 to 10:00

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a.m. This time we are going to Fiser

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Road Park, 4350 Fischer Road, and I hope

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to see you there. Thank you so much.

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>> Anyone else? Uh, Councelor Tyan, go

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ahead.

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>> Thank you, Madam Mayor. Um, first, uh,

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since we, uh, last met in session, um,

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some of our neighbors were able to

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celebrate the 50th anniversary of the

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Grant Neighborhood Association and the

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Highland Neighborhood Association with a

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very fun uh, park at Broadway Commons on

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Broadway. Um, and it was a great event

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with uh, musicians and a bouncy house.

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And I was joined there by fellow

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counselor, Dr. Dr. Irvin Brown. Uh we

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had a very nice afternoon and I really

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want to acknowledge the work of uh the

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Highland Neighborhood Association, the

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leadership of that board. Um Ryan and

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Holly and Seline and Cat uh from the

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Grant Neighborhood Association put in a

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lot of hours for that celebration. Uh

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those neighborhood associations have

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done an amazing amount of work, amazing

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amount of work over the last 50 years.

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So it was very fun to celebrate. also of

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course want to acknowledge uh our

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wonderful neighborhood uh coordinator

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Irma at the city who also of course

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helps with many of these events. Um

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indeed the other thing I wanted to

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remark on today is um I was doing some

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shopping for internet service at my

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house and of course this intersects with

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an issue that has uh dominated the

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inboxes of ward one and ward 2

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especially I believe as we've um as a

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council approved um folks to use the

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city's right of way to do fiber optic

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buildouts and I just wanted to uh

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without you know naming any of the

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companies um I I got a call from a

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constituent this last week and she just

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asked me point and blank she's like why

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are you doing this you know why why

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and I really thought about it um we have

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an interest in improving broadband

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across our city but I work from home and

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I depend on uh internet service in order

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to do my job and internet service has

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become something that's vital to living

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in the modern age. And I would say about

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four years ago, there was only one way

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to get internet service in our

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community. And it was not cheap. Um

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internet isn't cheap to begin with, but

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um it was well I looked at our last bill

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and it was well over $110 a month just

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for the high-speed internet. Um, I was

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able about a year ago to use uh to use

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fiber from one company and that cost

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went down to $100 a month. And just this

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week I looked again um to the two new

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installers coming into our community.

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I'm not endorsing them. I'm not going to

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use their names, but one of them offered

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twice the speed for $80 and another one

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offered three times the speed that I

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have right now for $70.

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And so there's not many things where the

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cost of it is going down, but because

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we've been able to um offer and get into

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an agreement with these companies, what

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did cost my family $110 a month uh three

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years ago could cost my family $70 a

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month starting next month. And so I just

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want to when we have the ability to say

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we've made decisions that increase the

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market and the ability for people to pay

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less for an essential service like the

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internet. I think it's something that we

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should acknowledge. It's not fun to have

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your city your street ripped up. I know

546
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that people have had very difficult

547
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times with it. Um, but in the end, I

548
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think it's a positive to our city and to

549
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our community that people could be

550
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paying, you know, upwards of 30 to 40%

551
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,640
less for their internet service today

552
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than they were four years ago. So, I

553
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just wanted to share the output of that

554
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:38,720
conversation with the community as a

555
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whole. Thank you, Mayor.

556
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>> A little piece of good news. Thank you,

557
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Councelor Tyan. Anyone else?

558
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>> Um, a point of clarification. When you

559
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and Dr. Brown met, was it in the bouncy

560
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house? or

561
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>> yes,

562
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>> the bouncy house bouncer would not have

563
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let us both there. Let's just be clear.

564
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>> Dr. Brown refused to take his shoes off,

565
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I'll bet. But that's okay.

566
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>> Um,

567
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moving on. I do want to acknowledge the

568
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fact that the mayor of Pendleton is not

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in the room, uh, McKenna McDonald, but

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she is in Salem, and we met up this

571
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afternoon for, um, a little a a really

572
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in-depth discussion at TJ Maxx, and um,

573
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she's just doing a really great job.

574
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She's served their community for 12

575
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years, and I just wanted to take a

576
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moment to acknowledge her and uh, her

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work there in Pendleton. So, all right.

578
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Um [clears throat] if nothing further,

579
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councelor Nishoka, did you have

580
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anything?

581
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Nope. Okay. Um then we will move on to

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proclamations and it's my honor to

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present the first proclamation which is

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for National Senior Center Month. I'd

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like to call to the stage, please, uh,

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Lannne Watson, Friends of Center 50

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Plus, President Sylvia Machado, South

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Salem Senior's President, Douglas Meyer,

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South Salem Board Member, and John

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Hughes, chair of Center 50 Plus Advisory

591
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Commission.

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It's John.

593
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>> Okay. John Hughes is not present with us

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tonight. Acknowledging Marilyn uh Daily

595
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Blair out there uh in the audience. So I

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will let you hold this so you can read

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along with me.

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Whereas the city of Salem is home to

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tens of thousands of older adults whose

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wisdom, experience, volunteerism, and

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lifelong contributions help make our

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community strong and vibrant. And

603
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whereas Salem's senior centers are

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welcoming places where older adults can

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remain active, engaged, independent, and

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connected. And whereas senior centers

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support healthy aging through education,

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wellness and fitness, lifelong learning,

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social and volunteer opportunities,

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creative arts, supportive services, and

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resources that promote physical, mental

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and emotional well-being. And whereas

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our senior centers help reduce

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loneliness and social isolization,

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isolation rather, significant public

616
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health concerns that affect the health

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and quality of life of older adults. And

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whereas senior centers strengthen Salem

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by fostering friendships, connecting

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generations, supporting caregivers,

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encouraging civic participation, and

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contributing th thousands of volunteer

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hours each year. And whereas Salem's

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senior centers are committed to serving

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people of all backgrounds with dignity,

626
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respect, compassion, and opportunities

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for meaningful engagement. Now

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therefore, I, Julie Hoy, mayor of the

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city of Salem, do hereby proclaim

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October 2026 as National Senior Center

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Month in the city of Salem, recognizing

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the invaluable contributions of Salem's

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senior centers and their dedicated

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staff, volunteers, members, community

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partners, and supporters. I [snorts]

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encourage all residents to celebrate the

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important role senior centers play in

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enriching lives, strengthening

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neighborhoods, promoting healthy aging,

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and building a more connected and

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compassionate Salem. Dated this 28th day

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of September, 2026.

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Thank you.

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[applause]

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On behalf of South Salem Senior Center,

646
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I'd like to thank the mayor and the city

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council for this proclamation.

648
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I want to add to that it is an honor and

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a privilege for everyone in the senior

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community, not only South Salem Senior

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Center and those participating in the

652
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other senior center, not only here but

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in other cities nearby, but for everyone

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in the community. We would want to

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extend the opportunity to please when

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you get a moment and you have the desire

657
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and your body is willing, stop by at the

658
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:20,799
senior center. We would love to see you

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and say hi.

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Did you want to add something?

661
00:29:24,399 --> 00:29:27,279
>> No, just thank you so much, mayor and

662
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council. We really appreciate your being

663
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:34,159
behind us and it's a wonderful, place.

664
00:29:34,159 --> 00:29:36,640
>> Thank you. We are with you and I should

665
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be showing up there. Frankly, I've

666
00:29:38,399 --> 00:29:42,000
earned it. So, [laughter]

667
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,919
>> yeah. Thank you. Let's line up up front

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00:29:43,919 --> 00:30:21,269
here for a picture if that's okay.

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Thank you, Madam Mayor.

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I have the pleasure of uh our second

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proclamation. Um I'd like to welcome to

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the stage our uh planning director Lisa

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Anderson Ogulvie and select staff

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All right, here they come.

675
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,200
You did it for most of the year. It's

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00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,950
good you can be here. [laughter]

677
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,080
All right. What a crew. Um well, whereas

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thoughtful community planning helps

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00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,279
guide change in cities, towns, rural

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00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:14,080
areas, and suburbs and creates ways for

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00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,159
residents to participate in decisions

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00:31:16,159 --> 00:31:17,679
that shape the future of their

683
00:31:17,679 --> 00:31:20,720
community. And whereas the full value of

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00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,559
planning is realized when elected

685
00:31:22,559 --> 00:31:24,559
leaders and community members are

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informed, engaged, and committed to

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00:31:27,279 --> 00:31:29,120
highquality plans and effective

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implementation.

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00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,640
And whereas the American Planning

690
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,720
Association recognizes National

691
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,960
Community Planning Month as a time to

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celebrate the importance of planning and

693
00:31:38,799 --> 00:31:40,799
the role it plays in strengthening

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communities. And whereas planners

695
00:31:43,679 --> 00:31:45,679
advance the public interest by taking a

696
00:31:45,679 --> 00:31:49,039
long-term communitywide view, supporting

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places that are safer, more resilient,

698
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,840
more equitable, and more economically

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00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,799
vibrant. And whereas City of Salem

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planners support the community's vision

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00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,120
by helping ensure that growth and

702
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,039
changes to the built environment are

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coordinated, intentional, and aligned

704
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,080
with its adopted goals. And now,

705
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therefore, on behalf of Julie Hoy, mayor

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of the city of Salem, we do proclaim

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October 2026 as National Community

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Planning Month in the city of Salem. And

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00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,039
we commend the city's professional staff

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00:32:21,039 --> 00:32:22,960
and the dedicated volunteers who serve

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00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,039
on the Salem Planning Commission for

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their contributions to our community

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dated this 28th day of September, 2026.

714
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Let's give our planners a hand.

715
00:32:31,922 --> 00:32:34,549
[applause]

716
00:32:34,559 --> 00:32:37,200
Thank you.

717
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,679
Uh thank you to Madame Mayor and the

718
00:32:39,679 --> 00:32:41,760
council. We really appreciate it. Um

719
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,519
this is not all the planning staff. Not

720
00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:44,799
everybody could make it tonight, but we

721
00:32:44,799 --> 00:32:46,159
have planners from community planning

722
00:32:46,159 --> 00:32:47,760
and development, public works, and

723
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,679
community services. Um, so you have

724
00:32:49,679 --> 00:32:51,120
planners all across the city that work

725
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:52,799
on land use, transportation, housing,

726
00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:54,799
natural resources, all kinds of fun

727
00:32:54,799 --> 00:32:57,120
stuff like that. Um, October is planning

728
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:58,559
month, and we wanted to take a moment to

729
00:32:58,559 --> 00:33:00,000
invite you to our planning event. We're

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00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,559
having our fifth annual Planner Palooa,

731
00:33:02,559 --> 00:33:04,240
um, which is a lot of fun. Uh, we're

732
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going to have it on October 8th. It's on

733
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,679
the screen behind us, from 4:30 to 6:00

734
00:33:07,679 --> 00:33:10,320
at Chicha Brewing. It's a casual event.

735
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,000
Um, there'll be food, there'll be door

736
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,320
prizes. Um, and you can come by and chat

737
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:15,679
with planners. You can ask us about

738
00:33:15,679 --> 00:33:17,840
specific projects or just chat about

739
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,240
planning and Salem and growth in

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00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,640
general. And we're happy to talk to you.

741
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,720
Um, and yeah, super casual and it's a

742
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,399
lot of fun. So, we hope everybody,

743
00:33:26,399 --> 00:33:28,080
including the council, uh, feels free to

744
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,159
stop by. Thank you very much.

745
00:33:30,159 --> 00:33:31,760
>> Okay, why don't you guys hold here for a

746
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:45,928
photo?

747
00:33:45,938 --> 00:34:01,509
» [applause]

748
00:34:01,519 --> 00:34:04,559
» I've been to the planning palooa and um

749
00:34:04,559 --> 00:34:06,720
it's fun. It's like having a bunch of

750
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,560
planning nerds in the room that you can

751
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,440
ask all kinds of questions to. Super

752
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,240
great. Um, and they know how to party. I

753
00:34:14,240 --> 00:34:18,159
will say that. Um, I am going am

754
00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:21,280
privileged to present um or to let

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00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,119
everybody know about an award that was

756
00:34:23,119 --> 00:34:26,079
received uh in for the excellence in

757
00:34:26,079 --> 00:34:30,000
planning, the large city award. Uh Jeff

758
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,480
Johnson, please. uh City of Salem

759
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,159
natural resource planner and committee

760
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:38,720
members uh Rob Ramck,

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00:34:38,720 --> 00:34:42,480
planning manager three and Jen Mongalo,

762
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,000
consultant with Streetscape

763
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:48,720
Environmental. Thanks for being here.

764
00:34:48,720 --> 00:34:51,440
I'll hand you this

765
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,800
and then I get to read this. Come on in.

766
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,560
The Oregon chapter of the American

767
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,880
Planning Association awarded the Mento

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00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:00,960
Island Conservation Area Land Management

769
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,560
Plan 2025 to 30 2035 and Jeffrey

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00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,880
Johnson, City of Salem Natural Resource

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00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,800
Planner with the Excellence in Planning

772
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,520
Award in the large city category. The

773
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,680
planning project was led by Jeff and

774
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,560
with consultant support from Jen Mongalo

775
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,640
with Streamscape, Streamscape

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00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,400
Environmental, and Stuart Meyers with

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00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,320
Mason, Bruce, and Gerard. This long time

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00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,040
long-term management plan is for 307

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00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,280
acres of urban conservation are within

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00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,520
Mento Brown Island Park and seeks to

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00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,760
outline strategies and projects focused

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00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,000
on integrating ecological sciences,

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00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,599
management needs, regulatory

784
00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:40,240
requirements, and community input. It

785
00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:42,000
showcases how our planners and the city

786
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,560
of Salem are doing remarkable awarding

787
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,520
awardw worthy work with our residents.

788
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Efforts like these make Salem a great

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00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,720
place to live, work, and play. both for

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00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:54,560
our residents today and for those who

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00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,359
will call Salem home into the future.

792
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This plan in particular exemplifies

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00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:02,560
innovative, collaborative, and adaptive

794
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,160
natural resource management that

795
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,160
balances ecological restoration with

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00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,720
community access and stewardship.

797
00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:10,800
Building on a decade of work, this land

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management plan integrates new

799
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scientific data, legal commitments, and

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00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,119
community values to ensure the long-term

801
00:36:17,119 --> 00:36:19,520
protection and enhancement of this vital

802
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,880
307 acre urban conservation area. The

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00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,800
city has more than 90 parks in its

804
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,960
portfolio with Mento Brown being one of

805
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,839
the most welltraveled and well-loved. We

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00:36:29,839 --> 00:36:32,320
love it, too. Would you like to thank

807
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:33,920
some remarks?

808
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,640
>> Thank you, Madame Mayor. Um, a plan like

809
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,240
this doesn't come together with just one

810
00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:40,640
or two or even three people. It was a

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very large group of people and a large

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00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,240
uh number of city staff that were

813
00:36:44,240 --> 00:36:47,200
involved. Um, former staff including Dr.

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00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,480
Robert Chandler, uh, Matt Johnston, uh,

815
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,079
as well as current staff including

816
00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:56,000
Kathleen Swarm, um, Michael Medina who

817
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,680
did a lot of the mapping and other

818
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,720
things, Rob uh, Romanac here, as well as

819
00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:03,599
Milin Davis, our urban forester. We also

820
00:37:03,599 --> 00:37:05,520
had collaboration with US Fish and

821
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,839
Wildlife Service, Oregon Department of

822
00:37:07,839 --> 00:37:09,359
Fish and Wildlife, Department of

823
00:37:09,359 --> 00:37:13,119
Environmental Quality, uh NRCS,

824
00:37:13,119 --> 00:37:15,040
uh we had local environmental groups

825
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:16,960
involved included say including Salem

826
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,680
Ottabon, the Glen Gib Glenn Gibson

827
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,640
Watershed Council, uh as well as others.

828
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,720
and uh having all those experts and

829
00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:27,520
everyone involved really was key to

830
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,440
making sure that we developed a plan

831
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,480
that allowed us to balance having this

832
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,880
beautiful park and having users be able

833
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,280
to use it with the conservation values

834
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,440
that the that the park was set up for.

835
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,520
So, uh thank you, Madame Mayor, and

836
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,280
everyone else. We're very grateful to be

837
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,119
able to work with such a beautiful park

838
00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:45,760
system.

839
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,640
>> Congratulations to you. [applause]

840
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:53,990
Let's take a picture.

841
00:37:54,000 --> 00:38:30,950
Where's our photographer? Here he comes.

842
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,720
It is time to move on to public comment.

843
00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:38,000
>> We have no one signed up except for the

844
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:39,839
online person.

845
00:38:39,839 --> 00:38:41,839
>> Okay,

846
00:38:41,839 --> 00:38:44,079
we have one person signed up online

847
00:38:44,079 --> 00:38:49,990
under item two.

848
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:59,349
» No.

849
00:38:59,359 --> 00:39:01,599
This is public eight or item eight.

850
00:39:01,599 --> 00:39:04,560
>> Okay, never mind. So, no one's

851
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,400
>> Okay, we have no one signed up under

852
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,920
item two. So, in that case

853
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,440
that we are moving on to the consent

854
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:17,680
calendar. Uh pro Tim chair

855
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:18,160
uh

856
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,400
>> I move approval of the I move approval

857
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,240
of the consent calendar with the

858
00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:25,680
exception of 3.3.1

859
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:30,310
which was pulled by the mayor.

860
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:31,280
» Second.

861
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:32,720
>> Thank you. We have a motion and a second

862
00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:35,920
by Tyen counselor to the motion.

863
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:37,920
So, the consent calendar for this

864
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,320
evening consists of our September 14th

865
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,040
draft city council minutes and our

866
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,680
September 21st draft city council

867
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,000
minutes. And that concludes our consent

868
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:49,359
calendar.

869
00:39:49,359 --> 00:39:52,640
>> Thank you. Any comment or questions?

870
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,079
>> All right. Will the recorder please call

871
00:39:54,079 --> 00:39:55,520
the role?

872
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,000
>> Councelor Matthews, I.

873
00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:59,440
>> Councelor Gwen,

874
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,280
>> I. Councelor Brown,

875
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:02,079
>> I.

876
00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:03,920
>> Councelor Bang, absent. Councelor

877
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:04,720
Nordike

878
00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:05,520
>> I.

879
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,119
>> Councelor Vney

880
00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:07,760
>> I.

881
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,440
>> Councelor Tyen

882
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:10,000
>> I.

883
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,079
>> Councelor Nishioa

884
00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:12,960
>> I.

885
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:14,400
>> Mayor Julie Hoy

886
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:18,480
>> I. All right. We are moving on now to uh

887
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:22,630
item 4.1.

888
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,400
Salem City Council will now conduct a

889
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,640
public hearing on ordinance bill number

890
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,119
1426 to consider establishing a

891
00:40:29,119 --> 00:40:31,839
designated speed of 20 mph on local

892
00:40:31,839 --> 00:40:33,599
residential streets and collector

893
00:40:33,599 --> 00:40:35,440
streets with less than 2,000 average

894
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,000
annual daily traffic testimony arguments

895
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,640
and evidence. Um

896
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,079
I guess there is no evidence in this

897
00:40:42,079 --> 00:40:43,839
case. The hearing will be conducted with

898
00:40:43,839 --> 00:40:45,680
the staff presentation first followed by

899
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,240
testimony from interested persons and

900
00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:49,680
testimony is limited to three minutes

901
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,480
per person. Thank you.

902
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,000
All right, I'll go ahead and open the

903
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,240
public hearing. Go right ahead.

904
00:40:56,240 --> 00:40:58,000
>> Good evening, mayor and city councilors.

905
00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,359
My name is Hayden Dinger. I'm a

906
00:40:59,359 --> 00:41:00,880
transportation planner in the public

907
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,680
works department.

908
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,920
Um, I'd like to begin briefly with a

909
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,680
legislative and administrative history

910
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,480
of the 20th plenty initiative. Um, three

911
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,040
main highlights um or four main

912
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:14,880
highlights. Uh beginning in 2019, the

913
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,440
Oregon State Legislature um adopted RS

914
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,160
810.180, which granted authority local

915
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:21,920
jurisdictions to lower speed limits to

916
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:23,760
20 mph in residential areas by

917
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,880
ordinance. In February of 2022, the city

918
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,560
or the city council directed staff to

919
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,400
create an implementation plan for a 20

920
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,560
is plenty program, which then led to

921
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,720
June of 2023 where city council

922
00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:37,119
authorized staff to apply for um safe

923
00:41:37,119 --> 00:41:39,359
streets and roads for all funding and

924
00:41:39,359 --> 00:41:41,200
then to enter an agreement with US DOT

925
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,200
to accept accept those funds to develop

926
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,040
both a safety action plan and implement

927
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,200
20th money. The city was awarded that

928
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,200
grant in September of 2023. It was a

929
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,680
$2.8 million grant. And since then,

930
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,680
we've been in a um series of contract

931
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,440
negotiations and agreements as well as

932
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,359
the preliminary design. Um which is

933
00:41:57,359 --> 00:42:01,119
leading us to where we are at today.

934
00:42:01,119 --> 00:42:04,079
Um just briefly, uh why 20 mph? I'm not

935
00:42:04,079 --> 00:42:05,359
going to hit on all of these, but I'm

936
00:42:05,359 --> 00:42:07,280
going to touch on a few. Um first,

937
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,920
increased safety for pedestrians. Um

938
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:11,680
small speed changes have a significant

939
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,760
impact on pedestrian outcomes in a

940
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,880
crash. um at 25 or at 20 miles an hour,

941
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:18,720
a pedestrian involved in an accident has

942
00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:21,359
93% chance of survival. Whereas at 25

943
00:42:21,359 --> 00:42:23,119
miles an hour, that speed drops or that

944
00:42:23,119 --> 00:42:24,560
percentage of survival drops to about

945
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,160
75%.

946
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,880
Um in addition to uh just outcomes on

947
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:30,960
pedestrians involved in crashes, um in

948
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,319
other cities, we've seen that a 20 mph

949
00:42:34,319 --> 00:42:36,319
um speed limit program leads to

950
00:42:36,319 --> 00:42:37,760
reduction in crashes and severity of

951
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,000
those crashes. In Madison, Wisconsin, a

952
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,560
pilot 20 m perph speed limit program led

953
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,400
to a 40% reduction in crashes and

954
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,640
contributed to an almost 60% decrease in

955
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,240
crash fatalities um between 20 and 2024.

956
00:42:50,240 --> 00:42:51,680
In addition to increased safety for

957
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,680
pedestrians, um we've seen that it

958
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,599
reduces excessive speeding defined by

959
00:42:55,599 --> 00:42:57,680
defined as speeding over 5 miles per

960
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,560
hour over the speed limit. Um Portland

961
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,000
uh was one of the first cities in Oregon

962
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,200
to implement a 20 plenty program and um

963
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:06,720
they saw the greatest impact on

964
00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:08,960
excessive speeding in their city. Um led

965
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:10,800
to an almost 50% reduction in speeding

966
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,400
at both 30 mph and 35 mph. It's a pretty

967
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,480
cost-effective measure. Um we're able to

968
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,319
implement this citywide. We've got a map

969
00:43:18,319 --> 00:43:19,520
here in just a little bit, but we're

970
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,920
able to implement 20 is plenty citywide

971
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,000
um at a significantly reduced um cost

972
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,359
compared to other traffic calming

973
00:43:25,359 --> 00:43:26,880
measures that we currently use such as

974
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:28,560
speed bumps or speed cushions or radar

975
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,480
feedback signs. I do want to be clear

976
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,160
that this is just one tool in our

977
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,720
toolbox to reduce um traffic fatalities.

978
00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:36,240
We are going to continue using some of

979
00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:37,680
those other tools, but this is one that

980
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,520
we're able to implement citywide at a

981
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,359
reduced cost.

982
00:43:41,359 --> 00:43:43,040
And then finally, I'd like to uh speak

983
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,440
to uh traffic enforcement. We've seen

984
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:46,960
20th plenty and other cities work

985
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,040
without increased enforcement. Um,

986
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:50,720
specifically Portland when they rolled

987
00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:53,040
out their 20th pro 20th plenty program

988
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:54,400
rolled it out as more of a marketing

989
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,160
campaign and the change in speed.

990
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:57,599
>> Excuse me for interrupting. Could you

991
00:43:57,599 --> 00:43:59,040
just slow down just a little bit with

992
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:00,800
the translators struggling to keep up?

993
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:01,280
>> No worries.

994
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:02,160
>> Thanks a lot.

995
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:03,760
>> Um,

996
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:05,359
back to the additional enforcement

997
00:44:05,359 --> 00:44:07,440
piece. When Portland rolled out their

998
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,160
20th plenty program, they rolled it out

999
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,000
um as a marketing and lowered speed

1000
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,560
limit um program as opposed to a program

1001
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,400
that also had an increased traffic

1002
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,319
enforcement component. And they still

1003
00:44:18,319 --> 00:44:19,760
saw those reduced speed limits that I

1004
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:21,920
mentioned earlier. Um Salem Police

1005
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,400
Department uh has a limited ability to

1006
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,079
uh increase traffic enforcement. As I'm

1007
00:44:26,079 --> 00:44:28,000
sure we're all aware, they are operating

1008
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,440
um with the resources that they have

1009
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,520
available. They will continue to monitor

1010
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,440
and manage traffic enforcement using

1011
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,920
their existing policies and processes. I

1012
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,000
do also want to briefly mention that the

1013
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:39,599
grant the city was awarded through Safe

1014
00:44:39,599 --> 00:44:41,599
Streets and Roads for All also included

1015
00:44:41,599 --> 00:44:43,920
$200,000 for more traffic calming

1016
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:45,280
equipment that will be managed by the

1017
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:49,510
Salem Police Department.

1018
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaking to the location selection

1019
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,240
process, um approximately 3,000 signs

1020
00:44:54,240 --> 00:44:56,160
will be installed on all local

1021
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:57,839
residential streets and collector

1022
00:44:57,839 --> 00:44:59,920
streets with fewer than 2,000 average

1023
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:02,400
annual daily traffic. Those signs will

1024
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,640
be installed on city-owned poles when

1025
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,720
possible. And then in terms of sign

1026
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:08,800
frequency, um signs will generally be

1027
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,119
placed near intersections and then again

1028
00:45:11,119 --> 00:45:13,680
at regular intervals along the street to

1029
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:15,200
ensure visibility and make sure that

1030
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,119
drivers are aware of the reduced speed

1031
00:45:17,119 --> 00:45:19,440
limit.

1032
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,640
Um little bit more about location and

1033
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,480
scope of implementation. If you look to

1034
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,079
the left there, you'll see kind of a

1035
00:45:26,079 --> 00:45:28,079
breakdown by ward as far as how many

1036
00:45:28,079 --> 00:45:30,560
signs will be installed in each ward. As

1037
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,240
I mentioned earlier, it's approximately

1038
00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:35,359
3,000 signs citywide. In addition to

1039
00:45:35,359 --> 00:45:37,760
those 3,000 speed limit signs, we'll

1040
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,920
also be installing 13 radar feedback

1041
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:41,839
signs to help drivers monitor their own

1042
00:45:41,839 --> 00:45:43,280
speeds on these streets with reduced

1043
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,440
speed limits. The red or the radar

1044
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,040
feedback signs are represented on the

1045
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:48,640
that map by the little yellow dots that

1046
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,400
you're seeing.

1047
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,560
Um installation is anticipated to begin

1048
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,119
in early 2027 and will take about a year

1049
00:45:55,119 --> 00:45:57,680
to complete. Um there'll be a geographic

1050
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,000
installation pattern, the exact phasing

1051
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:01,440
of which hasn't been determined yet.

1052
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,280
We're working on getting a contractor on

1053
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:04,960
board to do the installation of these

1054
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:06,880
signs and once that contractor is on

1055
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:08,400
board, we'll develop a phasing pattern

1056
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,200
that is the most efficient for them. Um,

1057
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:12,720
I do want to just point out this is a

1058
00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:14,560
pretty complete blanketing of the city

1059
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,319
as you can see with a couple of

1060
00:46:16,319 --> 00:46:18,640
exceptions. Um, first you'll notice that

1061
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,960
there will be no 20 mph speed signs

1062
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,680
downtown. Um, downtown is not classified

1063
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:25,280
as a residence district which affects

1064
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,400
our ability to use RS810.180

1065
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,040
to reduce the speed limits. Um, I will

1066
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:32,880
say that the public works department is

1067
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,040
currently finalizing um, recommendations

1068
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,119
for a downtown bicycle and pedestrian

1069
00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:39,200
safety study that's going to be focused

1070
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,440
on improving bike and pedestrian safety,

1071
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,200
including through reducing vehicle

1072
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:44,960
speeds using signal timing in the

1073
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,359
downtown core. I also want to point out,

1074
00:46:47,359 --> 00:46:48,960
you'll notice in the eastern half of

1075
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:50,720
Salem, the parts that are not within

1076
00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:52,880
city limits are not receiving 20 mph

1077
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,359
signs. We have um you know worked with

1078
00:46:55,359 --> 00:46:56,960
our colleagues over at Marian County and

1079
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:58,720
they've indicated that they are going to

1080
00:46:58,720 --> 00:47:00,960
evaluate how our program goes within

1081
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:02,480
city limits before determining if they

1082
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,240
would also like to roll that out in the

1083
00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:09,270
um county parts of the city of Salem.

1084
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaking to the public engagement

1085
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,520
process so far, um the transportation

1086
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,839
planning unit uh attends community

1087
00:47:15,839 --> 00:47:18,079
events pretty regularly to both explain

1088
00:47:18,079 --> 00:47:19,680
ongoing projects and answer any

1089
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:21,280
questions that the community has about

1090
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,280
transportation. you see kind of a brief

1091
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:24,640
summary in front of you of some of the

1092
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:26,160
events that we've been to so far this

1093
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,359
year and discuss 20 is plenty at.

1094
00:47:29,359 --> 00:47:31,839
Um I want to point out just a few

1095
00:47:31,839 --> 00:47:33,839
quickly. The um quarterly neighborhood

1096
00:47:33,839 --> 00:47:35,280
association chair meeting is something

1097
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,119
that we attended in January to discuss

1098
00:47:37,119 --> 00:47:39,119
20 is plenty at and then also we had

1099
00:47:39,119 --> 00:47:41,680
staff discuss 20 is plenty at um earlier

1100
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,000
this week. I also want to point out the

1101
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:45,920
safe streets for all action plan open

1102
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,079
houses in June. As part of the safe

1103
00:47:48,079 --> 00:47:50,079
streets for all action plan, we hosted a

1104
00:47:50,079 --> 00:47:52,160
series of three open houses in June in

1105
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:53,839
different parts of the city at center 50

1106
00:47:53,839 --> 00:47:56,000
plus, the West Salem library branch, and

1107
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,079
then the main library branch here just

1108
00:47:58,079 --> 00:48:00,880
um south of downtown. And at those open

1109
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:02,640
house events, we had specific stations

1110
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,839
dedicated to 20th plenty. I'll also say

1111
00:48:05,839 --> 00:48:07,359
that the transportation planning unit

1112
00:48:07,359 --> 00:48:09,040
will continue to discuss open houses

1113
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:10,880
with neighborhood or um continue to

1114
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:12,800
discuss 2020 plenty with neighborhood

1115
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:14,800
associations and community groups at all

1116
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,400
events that we attend. Um moving

1117
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,319
forward, we're preparing sort of an

1118
00:48:18,319 --> 00:48:19,839
outreach blitz here over the next few

1119
00:48:19,839 --> 00:48:21,359
months to discuss a series of projects

1120
00:48:21,359 --> 00:48:23,040
with the community including projects

1121
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:24,480
from the neighborhood traffic management

1122
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,880
plan and projects from the 2022 safety

1123
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,520
and livability bond. Um and so we'll be

1124
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,200
sharing 2020 information with all the

1125
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:32,559
neighborhood associations we tend as

1126
00:48:32,559 --> 00:48:34,079
part of that. In addition to that

1127
00:48:34,079 --> 00:48:35,520
outreach, we'll be reaching out to all

1128
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:36,880
neighborhood associations and just

1129
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:38,960
volunteering to attend if they would

1130
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:40,480
like to discuss 20 is plenty in more

1131
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:42,800
depth. Finally, I want to draw your

1132
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:44,880
attention to the very end of this slide

1133
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:46,960
um on the far right. In October, we're

1134
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:48,240
planning on beginning a focused

1135
00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:49,920
pre-eployment campaign to ensure that

1136
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:51,680
the public is well informed of this

1137
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:55,280
change before it hits the street.

1138
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,119
That pre-eployment campaign is going to

1139
00:48:57,119 --> 00:48:59,200
be focused on um a lot of material

1140
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,680
distribution, yard signs, postcards,

1141
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,359
stickers, business cards, things along

1142
00:49:03,359 --> 00:49:05,200
those lines to make sure that we get in

1143
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:06,880
front of people and they're aware. We'll

1144
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:08,640
also be executing a social media

1145
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:10,160
campaign through our City of Salem

1146
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,079
social media channels. We're currently

1147
00:49:12,079 --> 00:49:14,000
evaluating the possibility of also

1148
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:15,599
utilizing paid social media

1149
00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:17,359
advertisements to help reach folks who

1150
00:49:17,359 --> 00:49:18,880
might not be following our social media

1151
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,119
channels. Um those paid advertisements

1152
00:49:21,119 --> 00:49:22,480
would also be funded through the grant

1153
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,960
we received from the US DOT. And then

1154
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:26,640
finally, we will also be including this

1155
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:28,079
information in e newswsletter

1156
00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:29,440
distribution that goes out to the

1157
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:33,910
community on a regular basis.

1158
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,480
In terms of evaluation and monitoring,

1159
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,640
um we are continually in the public

1160
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:40,240
works department collecting information

1161
00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:42,640
on traffic speeds throughout the city.

1162
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:44,240
We'll once the signs are deployed about

1163
00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:46,160
12 to 18 months post we'll be doing

1164
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:47,839
another evaluation and comparing the

1165
00:49:47,839 --> 00:49:49,680
speeds um post deployment to the speeds

1166
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:51,599
that we saw pre-eployment we are going

1167
00:49:51,599 --> 00:49:53,760
to prioritize evaluation for corridors

1168
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,920
near pedestrian generators. So that's

1169
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:57,760
things like parks, schools, public

1170
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,480
transit um to compare that data to data

1171
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:01,839
that's already been collected before the

1172
00:50:01,839 --> 00:50:03,760
signs were deployed. We'll also be

1173
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,359
evaluating crash patterns including

1174
00:50:05,359 --> 00:50:07,440
frequency and severity on corridors that

1175
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,720
have the speed changes.

1176
00:50:10,720 --> 00:50:12,319
As far as the staff recommendation is

1177
00:50:12,319 --> 00:50:14,160
concerned, um the staff recommends that

1178
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,160
we establish the 20 mph speed limit and

1179
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,880
advance ordinance bill number 14-26 to

1180
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:23,270
second reading for passage

1181
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,839
questions now and if you all have any

1182
00:50:25,839 --> 00:50:27,119
questions I'd be happy to take those

1183
00:50:27,119 --> 00:50:28,319
now.

1184
00:50:28,319 --> 00:50:31,280
>> Thank you. Anyone have question? I saw

1185
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,480
councelor Nordike first.

1186
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,000
>> Thank you miss so much for the

1187
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,000
presentation. One of your slides

1188
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,720
discussed scope of implementation

1189
00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:44,160
and it showed that uh there was a pretty

1190
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,880
decent spread of signs across all eight

1191
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:50,000
wards. However, while ward one has a

1192
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:55,359
high of 468 signs, ward 6 is proposed to

1193
00:50:55,359 --> 00:50:58,079
have just 231 signs. Is that because

1194
00:50:58,079 --> 00:51:01,119
there are less residential less road

1195
00:51:01,119 --> 00:51:03,200
types that meet the criteria?

1196
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,119
>> Correct. um all of the the streets in

1197
00:51:05,119 --> 00:51:06,720
town that are either local residential

1198
00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:08,640
streets or collector streets with a um

1199
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,440
documented volume of less than 280 ADT

1200
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,760
will be receiving the signs. It's um the

1201
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:15,920
changes the variation between ward is

1202
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,319
exclusively related to the number of

1203
00:51:18,319 --> 00:51:20,480
streets that are um meeting those

1204
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:25,190
criteria.

1205
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:26,800
» Councelor Brown.

1206
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:28,559
>> Yes. Thanks, Madam Mayor. Thank you for

1207
00:51:28,559 --> 00:51:31,680
the presentation. Great job. Um,

1208
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:33,280
you said going forward you're going to

1209
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,599
be looking at crash patterns. Correct.

1210
00:51:35,599 --> 00:51:37,119
>> Correct.

1211
00:51:37,119 --> 00:51:39,839
>> Were Were there was there any any data

1212
00:51:39,839 --> 00:51:42,559
prior to,

1213
00:51:42,559 --> 00:51:43,920
you know, locating the places where

1214
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,319
you're going to put the 20th pling

1215
00:51:46,319 --> 00:51:49,040
>> in and um for clarification, you mean

1216
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:50,720
did we review crash patterns to

1217
00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:52,480
determine which streets we would be

1218
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:53,440
placing the signs on?

1219
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:54,400
>> Yeah. Prior

1220
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,240
>> not so much. Again, the criteria for the

1221
00:51:56,240 --> 00:51:58,000
sign placement is based in that O

1222
00:51:58,000 --> 00:51:59,760
RS810.180,

1223
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:01,359
which is not related to crash patterns

1224
00:52:01,359 --> 00:52:02,960
as much as street classification and

1225
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,280
use. One thing that we do see often in

1226
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,440
the city is that the majority of our

1227
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,119
fatal and serious injury crashes for

1228
00:52:09,119 --> 00:52:11,280
pedestrians in particular occur on our

1229
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,920
major arterial roadways. Um, we are

1230
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:15,440
developing the transportation safety

1231
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,680
action plan at this time and that plan

1232
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,200
will have strategies to address some of

1233
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,119
the serious injuries and fatalities that

1234
00:52:21,119 --> 00:52:22,559
we see on higher classification

1235
00:52:22,559 --> 00:52:24,640
roadways. This 20 is plenty initiative

1236
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:26,480
is really just focused on those local

1237
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,079
residential streets and the low volume

1238
00:52:28,079 --> 00:52:29,200
collector streets.

1239
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,119
>> So you will be back again to share with

1240
00:52:31,119 --> 00:52:33,680
us the data that you receive once you

1241
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:34,800
finish your work.

1242
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:36,400
>> Yeah, absolutely. We can do that. Um

1243
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,160
again, it'll probably be 12 to 18 months

1244
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:39,520
after the total sign deployment is

1245
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:40,720
complete. We want to make sure that

1246
00:52:40,720 --> 00:52:42,880
drivers have a chance to recognize,

1247
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:44,240
understand, and respond to the change

1248
00:52:44,240 --> 00:52:45,760
before we collect data again. But we can

1249
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,359
absolutely bring that data back to you

1250
00:52:47,359 --> 00:52:49,359
and tell you what we've what we found.

1251
00:52:49,359 --> 00:52:49,599
Got

1252
00:52:49,599 --> 00:52:51,920
>> it. Thank you. Thank you, Madam Mayor.

1253
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,160
Councelor

1254
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:55,839
Nordike,

1255
00:52:55,839 --> 00:52:57,760
>> thank you. Another question I had,

1256
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,000
congratulations of course on getting the

1257
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:04,000
$2.8 million in grant funding. Um, what

1258
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:05,839
is the total budget for installing all

1259
00:53:05,839 --> 00:53:08,480
these signs? Does is 2.8 million half of

1260
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,319
it? I'm just kind of curious if we have

1261
00:53:10,319 --> 00:53:12,480
enough money to put all these signs up.

1262
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,119
>> Yeah. So, in the grant application um in

1263
00:53:15,119 --> 00:53:16,480
the budget breakdown, in our grant

1264
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,400
agreement with the US DOT, we budgeted

1265
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,720
about $2 million for construction of the

1266
00:53:20,720 --> 00:53:23,040
signs. Additional parts of that funding

1267
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:24,880
um that aren't going to construction are

1268
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:26,480
going to the engineering design that has

1269
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:27,920
already occurred, going to the

1270
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:29,839
evaluation and outreach pieces, the

1271
00:53:29,839 --> 00:53:31,359
development of the transportation safety

1272
00:53:31,359 --> 00:53:33,200
action plan, the equipment that will be

1273
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:34,640
managed by Salem Police Department, but

1274
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:36,240
the construction piece is um we're

1275
00:53:36,240 --> 00:53:37,839
estimating about $2 million for

1276
00:53:37,839 --> 00:53:40,400
construction.

1277
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:41,520
>> May I continue, mayor?

1278
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:43,359
>> Yes. Go ahead. So, in other words, it

1279
00:53:43,359 --> 00:53:45,040
sounds like you budgeted enough and that

1280
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,760
08 will help you with contingencies and

1281
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:48,800
things like that

1282
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,040
>> in other parts of the the the grant

1283
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,280
covered several pieces. Um, so a lot of

1284
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:54,880
that the a lot of the stuff that exceeds

1285
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,280
the $2 million count is going to other

1286
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,040
parts of that grant agreement um in

1287
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:00,640
addition to the signs. The signs are

1288
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:03,040
kind of one big piece, but one piece of

1289
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:04,720
multiple of that grant agreement,

1290
00:54:04,720 --> 00:54:06,800
>> right? They're not going to appear by

1291
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,760
themselves on on the post, are they? Uh

1292
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,720
also, um in your legislative timeline,

1293
00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:15,599
you mentioned that the adoption of the

1294
00:54:15,599 --> 00:54:18,319
statewide law that grants authority to

1295
00:54:18,319 --> 00:54:20,000
governments like ours to lower speed

1296
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,359
limits was adopted in 2019. You

1297
00:54:23,359 --> 00:54:25,280
mentioned Portland. I'm just curious how

1298
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:27,680
many other cities are following through

1299
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,000
with this 20 is plenty initiative or

1300
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,480
other sort of uh lowering of speed

1301
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,200
limits to 20 m hour since the state law

1302
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,839
passed. I don't have the number of total

1303
00:54:37,839 --> 00:54:39,280
Oregon cities that have adopted this

1304
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:40,800
initiative off the top of my head, but

1305
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:42,720
quickly um Portland has adopted 2020

1306
00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:44,880
plenty as well as Eugene. Tiger is in

1307
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:46,240
the process of rolling out a 20 is

1308
00:54:46,240 --> 00:54:48,079
plenty initiative. Believe Silverton has

1309
00:54:48,079 --> 00:54:49,839
also done something similar or similar

1310
00:54:49,839 --> 00:54:52,960
on their low volume streets.

1311
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:58,069
Oh, and Lake Oiggo.

1312
00:54:58,079 --> 00:55:00,640
» Councelor Barney. Thank you very much,

1313
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:04,240
Mayor. And thank you, Councelor Nordike.

1314
00:55:04,240 --> 00:55:06,960
asked a number of my questions.

1315
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,520
Um, I was curious though, how do you

1316
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:11,760
collect the vehicle speed data?

1317
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:13,920
>> Um, we have a team of traffic techs who

1318
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:15,359
go out and place equipment on the

1319
00:55:15,359 --> 00:55:17,280
roadway to to measure vehicle speeds.

1320
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:18,800
They do it one of two ways. Either

1321
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:20,400
through what we call hose counts where

1322
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,880
they lay rubber hoses across the roadway

1323
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:24,559
and when the vehicle hits it, it shoots

1324
00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:27,119
a puff of air into a machine that tracks

1325
00:55:27,119 --> 00:55:28,559
that puff of air and then uses it to

1326
00:55:28,559 --> 00:55:30,800
monitor um, vehicle speeds and volumes.

1327
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:32,720
We also do radar counts on some of our

1328
00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:35,200
larger volume um roadways or our larger

1329
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,760
classification roadways. Um but yeah,

1330
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:39,280
internal staff.

1331
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:41,359
>> Can I ask a couple more? No, that's

1332
00:55:41,359 --> 00:55:43,680
great. I really appreciate the uh

1333
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:45,599
datadriven

1334
00:55:45,599 --> 00:55:47,920
design elements here because then we can

1335
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,400
really tell uh you know what a

1336
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,640
difference it's making.

1337
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:56,160
So this is uh the funding was federal

1338
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:56,880
funding,

1339
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,359
>> correct? So, are there cities all around

1340
00:55:59,359 --> 00:56:02,160
the country implementing this?

1341
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:03,520
>> There are cities all around the country

1342
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:05,599
that are implementing um 20 is plenty

1343
00:56:05,599 --> 00:56:07,920
coast to coast. Um I can't speak to how

1344
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:09,760
many of them are using specifically safe

1345
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:11,040
streets and roads for all funding

1346
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:14,160
through US DOT to do so. Um but yes,

1347
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,160
it's being implemented all over the

1348
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:17,599
country.

1349
00:56:17,599 --> 00:56:19,119
>> Okay. I'm just thinking about the

1350
00:56:19,119 --> 00:56:21,440
benefits of the increased safety, saving

1351
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:25,440
lives, saving fewer crashes, etc.

1352
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:27,839
um any benefits like auto insurance

1353
00:56:27,839 --> 00:56:29,839
discounts?

1354
00:56:29,839 --> 00:56:31,200
>> That's a great question that I don't

1355
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,040
have an answer to. Um we'd have happy to

1356
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:34,240
look into that and get back to you with

1357
00:56:34,240 --> 00:56:35,839
it, but I don't know off the top of my

1358
00:56:35,839 --> 00:56:36,240
head.

1359
00:56:36,240 --> 00:56:38,799
>> Well, maybe not yet, but definitely

1360
00:56:38,799 --> 00:56:42,319
would be uh something to think about.

1361
00:56:42,319 --> 00:56:45,510
Thank you,

1362
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,720
» Councelor Matthews.

1363
00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:51,359
Yeah, I wanted to ask, so I know you

1364
00:56:51,359 --> 00:56:53,760
mentioned that at the 25 miles per hour

1365
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:55,280
there was, and I may get these not quite

1366
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,200
right, but it was about a 20 75% chance

1367
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,440
of survival. Uh, but with a 20 m per

1368
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:00,960
hour, it's about a 95% chance of

1369
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:02,480
survival with a pedestrian versus

1370
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:05,520
vehicle accident. What percentage I know

1371
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:07,040
that kind of the big push for this is

1372
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,200
obviously we one of our objective is to

1373
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:11,200
reduce the overall amount of pedestrian

1374
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,760
deaths that we have. Um what percentage

1375
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:15,440
of the pedestrian deaths do we have

1376
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,160
actually happened at the current speed

1377
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:19,760
limit that we were at that they weren't

1378
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:25,589
that no speeding was involved

1379
00:57:25,599 --> 00:57:27,040
» because obviously if they're speeding it

1380
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,520
wouldn't be necessarily applicable the

1381
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:30,559
what the actual

1382
00:57:30,559 --> 00:57:32,720
>> yeah I um so like I said we are

1383
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:34,160
currently developing that transportation

1384
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:35,599
safety action plan and part of what

1385
00:57:35,599 --> 00:57:37,040
we're doing with that is looking at

1386
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:38,319
crash patterns and the different types

1387
00:57:38,319 --> 00:57:40,480
of factors that affect um crashes and

1388
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:42,319
lead to a greater proport portion of

1389
00:57:42,319 --> 00:57:44,319
fatal and serious injury crashes. I

1390
00:57:44,319 --> 00:57:45,680
don't know off the top of my head on

1391
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:47,920
Salem streets how many crashes fatal or

1392
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,799
serious injury crashes have speed as a

1393
00:57:50,799 --> 00:57:53,280
one of the causing factors. I will say

1394
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:57,440
that we um see much less um fatal and

1395
00:57:57,440 --> 00:57:59,119
serious injury crashes on our local

1396
00:57:59,119 --> 00:58:01,040
roads on our lower volume local roads

1397
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:04,720
currently. That is largely due to um

1398
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:06,720
slower speeds on local roads currently

1399
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:08,640
at 25 mph as compared to our major

1400
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:10,640
arterials. But in terms of how many

1401
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,359
fatal and serious injury crashes are

1402
00:58:13,359 --> 00:58:15,440
tied to excessive vehicle speeds, I

1403
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:16,799
don't have that number off the top of my

1404
00:58:16,799 --> 00:58:17,599
head.

1405
00:58:17,599 --> 00:58:20,240
>> Okay. So, a majority of our our crashes

1406
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:23,119
that have happened pedestrian versus vehicle have not actually

1407
00:58:23,119 --> 00:58:25,440
happened on these residential streets.

1408
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:26,799
>> So, this won't actually have an impact

1409
00:58:26,799 --> 00:58:28,240
necessarily on that specifically.

1410
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:29,920
>> Not necessarily on that specifically.

1411
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,160
Um, again, it's um as as I mentioned

1412
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:34,000
earlier, we're not assuming that the 20

1413
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:35,920
or not we're not under the impression

1414
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:38,240
that 20 is plenty is going to be the the

1415
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:39,760
silver bullet. so to speak, that's going

1416
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:42,000
to eliminate um fatal and serious injury

1417
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:43,760
crashes. This is one component of the

1418
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:45,359
broader transportation safety action

1419
00:58:45,359 --> 00:58:46,720
plan initiative and vision zero

1420
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:51,200
initiative and one tool in a broader toolbox that we'll

1421
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,280
continue to implement tools from um in

1422
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,520
areas as it's appropriate. The 20 is

1423
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:56,880
plenty initiative really is just

1424
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:58,880
something that we can do very broadly at

1425
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:00,799
a significantly reduced cost compared to

1426
00:59:00,799 --> 00:59:03,760
some other more involved um treatments.

1427
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:07,040
>> Gotcha. Yeah, mayor. And then did we

1428
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:08,000
have any data? I know you mentioned

1429
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:09,119
Portland already has kind of gone

1430
00:59:09,119 --> 00:59:11,040
through the 20 is plenty. I was trying

1431
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,280
to look for some data on what their

1432
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:15,200
statistics have seen of people actually

1433
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:16,720
that change their habits and their

1434
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:20,000
patterns to reduce from 25 down to 20.

1435
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:21,599
And it looked like it was around a half

1436
00:59:21,599 --> 00:59:23,040
a percent of people actually make that

1437
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:24,960
adjustment in their behavior patterns.

1438
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:26,880
And so I guess for that then it gives me

1439
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:27,920
concern. I know that part of this

1440
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:29,440
presentation is is that it we don't have

1441
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:30,960
any additional funding for additional

1442
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:32,559
enforcement. We aren't intending to put

1443
00:59:32,559 --> 00:59:34,000
additional enforcement dollars with the

1444
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,559
exception of a few uh $200,000 that's

1445
00:59:36,559 --> 00:59:38,000
going towards some reader boards and

1446
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:40,319
everything else. But I guess my one of

1447
00:59:40,319 --> 00:59:42,480
my concerns with this is reality and

1448
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:44,079
expectation, right? So, there's an

1449
00:59:44,079 --> 00:59:47,599
expectation from citizens now that are

1450
00:59:47,599 --> 00:59:49,040
unhappy about speeding that we're going

1451
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:50,960
to see a reduction in in actual speeders

1452
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:52,079
and then we're going to see people drop

1453
00:59:52,079 --> 00:59:54,400
their speed down to 20 and if we don't

1454
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:56,000
then we're going to have enforcement.

1455
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:57,280
But it doesn't really sound like that's

1456
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,280
exactly the case. And so, have you heard

1457
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:01,040
of Portland having any issues with that

1458
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:02,960
with kind of expectation of citizens

1459
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:04,240
where this 20 is going to make a

1460
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:05,920
difference and yet not really seeing it

1461
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:07,760
in the behavior and not seeing it in the

1462
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:09,520
increased enforcement either?

1463
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:11,599
>> Yeah. Um, so one fortunate thing about

1464
01:00:11,599 --> 01:00:13,040
Portland having rolled this out in the

1465
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:14,400
past, um, they actually received

1466
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:15,680
authorization from the Oregon State

1467
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:17,520
Legislature to do this earlier than any

1468
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:19,040
other city. So, they've been some

1469
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:20,799
studies done, most um, recently one by

1470
01:00:20,799 --> 01:00:22,960
Portland State. That study by Portland

1471
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:24,640
State um found that you're correct.

1472
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:26,880
There was um a small reduction in speeds

1473
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:28,960
that were about 25 miles an hour where

1474
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:30,160
they saw the greatest reduction in

1475
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:31,520
speeds were vehicles that were already

1476
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:33,680
traveling well in excess of the 25 mph

1477
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:35,760
speed limit. Um specifically that study

1478
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:37,119
from Portland State found that the

1479
01:00:37,119 --> 01:00:39,359
estimated ch change in odds of observing

1480
01:00:39,359 --> 01:00:40,960
speed thresholds. So how likely it is

1481
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:42,319
that you would see a car driving that

1482
01:00:42,319 --> 01:00:44,960
fast. Um greater than 30 mph fell by

1483
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:47,839
about 33.6% 6% and then greater than 35

1484
01:00:47,839 --> 01:00:49,280
mph. The odds that you would see a

1485
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,040
vehicle traveling that quickly fell by

1486
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:52,559
49.6%.

1487
01:00:52,559 --> 01:00:54,400
So they didn't see a huge reduction in

1488
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:56,400
speeds right at that 25 mph speed limit

1489
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:57,920
where they saw the greatest impact was

1490
01:00:57,920 --> 01:00:59,359
vehicles that were traveling well in

1491
01:00:59,359 --> 01:01:01,200
excess of that already.

1492
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:02,880
>> Did they say like a percentage of people

1493
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:04,319
that actually is that are hitting those

1494
01:01:04,319 --> 01:01:06,799
levels? Like is it 1% of people or 100

1495
01:01:06,799 --> 01:01:08,720
or 50% of people are traveling at that

1496
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:10,880
kind of speed? Um I don't have those

1497
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:12,160
numbers right in front of me in terms of

1498
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:14,000
what they actually pulled like the raw

1499
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:15,200
data that they pulled and what those

1500
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:17,680
numbers look like. Um but it's obviously

1501
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:20,640
we we anticipate that there is a in hope

1502
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:22,000
right that there's a very small number

1503
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:24,000
of drivers that are traveling in excess

1504
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:25,599
of 5 or 10 miles an hour of the speed

1505
01:01:25,599 --> 01:01:27,520
limit. It's certainly not the majority

1506
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:30,000
but this program um at a statewide level

1507
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:32,240
at least has seen the most efficacy in

1508
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:33,680
those folks who are traveling well in

1509
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:35,280
excess of the speed limit even if it's a

1510
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:37,040
smaller um proportion of them compared

1511
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:38,240
to those that are traveling the speed

1512
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:40,480
limit. Okay. Yeah. I mean, I think

1513
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:42,160
obviously I think that 20 is plenty I

1514
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:44,079
think is actually a really good premise

1515
01:01:44,079 --> 01:01:46,720
and I think that from just a I actually

1516
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:48,160
agree that 20 is plenty especially in a

1517
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:50,079
residential area. I do have concern like

1518
01:01:50,079 --> 01:01:52,079
I say just that we're setting oursel a

1519
01:01:52,079 --> 01:01:53,359
little bit up for failure because we

1520
01:01:53,359 --> 01:01:55,119
have no enforcement dollars going into

1521
01:01:55,119 --> 01:01:57,200
this. We are not allocating additional

1522
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:58,880
enforcement dollars and we already know

1523
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:00,559
that we're struggling with with that

1524
01:02:00,559 --> 01:02:03,200
aspect. And so as we invest $2.8 8

1525
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:04,640
million and I get their federal grants.

1526
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:06,799
They're not our specific tax dollars

1527
01:02:06,799 --> 01:02:08,480
that we've specifically collected. But

1528
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:10,400
as we don't increase a police

1529
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:12,640
enforcement budget to kind of offset, we

1530
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:14,319
set oursel up a little bit for failure

1531
01:02:14,319 --> 01:02:16,559
because there's going to be in my

1532
01:02:16,559 --> 01:02:18,640
opinion a potential offset of where

1533
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:21,359
citizens are upset because we've reduced

1534
01:02:21,359 --> 01:02:22,480
the speed but we aren't actually

1535
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:24,480
enforcing the speed. Uh and so I guess

1536
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:27,440
that's my my one hesitation. Uh, while I

1537
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:29,200
agree that 20 is plenty, I'm concerned

1538
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:30,559
that we're setting oursel up for failure

1539
01:02:30,559 --> 01:02:32,640
by not having additional um resources go

1540
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:36,950
into to enforcement.

1541
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:38,960
» Anyone else? Oh, councelor Brown.

1542
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:42,480
>> Thanks, Madam Mayor. So, um, to follow

1543
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:44,960
councelor Matthews's thinking, well,

1544
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:49,280
somewhat um, somewhat. So, you mentioned

1545
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:53,920
earlier 3,000 signs, right? 3,000 signs.

1546
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:57,119
And can you share with us what does that

1547
01:02:57,119 --> 01:02:59,359
look like our partnership with Salem

1548
01:02:59,359 --> 01:03:03,200
Kaiser because I know obviously 20 is

1549
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:05,200
going to be what they would prefer right

1550
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:07,040
because that's the law. Uh what are we

1551
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:08,319
doing when it comes to just our

1552
01:03:08,319 --> 01:03:09,920
partnership with them

1553
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:11,359
>> and for clarification you mean

1554
01:03:11,359 --> 01:03:13,200
specifically our partnership with um

1555
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:15,520
Kaiser

1556
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:17,280
>> the school district Thank you. Yeah,

1557
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:20,000
because we go well. It's kind of twofold

1558
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:20,880
because

1559
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:23,599
>> it's Salem and Kaiser and so I'm I'm

1560
01:03:23,599 --> 01:03:25,760
assuming that we're going to have signs

1561
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:28,559
also in Kaiser, but I'm not sure.

1562
01:03:28,559 --> 01:03:30,960
>> Yeah. So, we don't have obviously

1563
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:32,799
jurisdiction to change speed limits in

1564
01:03:32,799 --> 01:03:34,960
Kaiser. Um, I'm not aware of a whole lot

1565
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:36,720
of specific conversations with the city

1566
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:38,480
of Kaiser's public works department

1567
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:40,400
regarding how willing they would be to

1568
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:42,240
engage with this, but I would imagine

1569
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:43,680
that it would probably echo what we've

1570
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:45,599
heard from Marian County where it's we

1571
01:03:45,599 --> 01:03:47,280
want to see what it looks like and how

1572
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:49,440
the impact it has before we evaluate if

1573
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:50,400
that's something that we would like to

1574
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:53,200
roll out as well. Um, I'm not sure if I

1575
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:54,160
don't think I'm speaking to your

1576
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:55,599
question about the school district.

1577
01:03:55,599 --> 01:03:56,880
>> Well, you got the second question, but

1578
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:58,319
now it's the first one for the school

1579
01:03:58,319 --> 01:03:59,680
district. Are we working with them?

1580
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:01,599
Also, when it like you're going to go

1581
01:04:01,599 --> 01:04:02,960
around to all the neighborhood

1582
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:04,400
associations, you're just going to, you

1583
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:06,960
know, do a marketing campaign. Are they

1584
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:08,960
a part of the strategy to reach out with

1585
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:09,760
them?

1586
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:11,440
>> They're not they haven't been explicitly

1587
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:13,520
involved in the in the strategy to leers

1588
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:15,440
with them, but incorporating them. Oh,

1589
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:16,720
never mind. I'm getting I'm getting the

1590
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:18,799
nudge. One second.

1591
01:04:18,799 --> 01:04:21,200
>> Caral, city traffic engineer. Um, this

1592
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:22,960
RS isn't changing the speed limit in

1593
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:24,720
school zones specifically if that's what

1594
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:27,200
you're asking about. So now we will

1595
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:29,039
still have our uh school zone flashers

1596
01:04:29,039 --> 01:04:31,280
that come on with the 20 mile per hour

1597
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:34,000
sign when children are present. Um but

1598
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:35,520
the speed limit on that street will just

1599
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:38,160
be 20 m hour all the time. So we'll just

1600
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:40,319
essentially be calling more attention to

1601
01:04:40,319 --> 01:04:42,559
it during those school zone hours. Got

1602
01:04:42,559 --> 01:04:42,880
it.

1603
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:44,640
>> But no changes to the actual school

1604
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:47,599
speed zone limit as part of this OS.

1605
01:04:47,599 --> 01:04:50,079
>> Got it. and he may have shared this what

1606
01:04:50,079 --> 01:04:51,839
was was there data in regards to how

1607
01:04:51,839 --> 01:04:55,119
many deaths we have had

1608
01:04:55,119 --> 01:04:57,039
>> in what time frame

1609
01:04:57,039 --> 01:04:58,799
>> uh this past year

1610
01:04:58,799 --> 01:05:00,880
>> in the past year I think we had eight

1611
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:04,079
traffic fatalities I that's a spitball

1612
01:05:04,079 --> 01:05:06,720
um we can check really quickly but again

1613
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:08,799
I want to be clear um to to councelor

1614
01:05:08,799 --> 01:05:10,559
Matthew's point that the majority of the

1615
01:05:10,559 --> 01:05:12,640
fatalities we see are not on our local

1616
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:14,559
residential roads we tend to see more

1617
01:05:14,559 --> 01:05:16,400
traffic fatalities particularly um

1618
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:19,039
pedestrian versus vehicle fatalities on

1619
01:05:19,039 --> 01:05:21,119
higher order streets. Um our major

1620
01:05:21,119 --> 01:05:22,880
collector or our major arterials in

1621
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:24,480
particular where speeds are

1622
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:26,559
significantly higher and typically you

1623
01:05:26,559 --> 01:05:28,400
know le less pedestrian facilities, less

1624
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:29,839
awareness of pedestrians in the roadway,

1625
01:05:29,839 --> 01:05:30,559
those sorts of pieces.

1626
01:05:30,559 --> 01:05:32,319
>> Got it. And one final thought I have and

1627
01:05:32,319 --> 01:05:35,440
it may be for the acting city manager.

1628
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:37,520
So, Councelor Matthews mentioned about,

1629
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:38,880
you know, we could be setting ourselves

1630
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:41,280
up because we don't have enough funds

1631
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:43,200
when it comes to supporting our first

1632
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:44,799
responders, when it comes to catching

1633
01:05:44,799 --> 01:05:46,720
those folks who want to go, you know, 30

1634
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:49,839
and a 20. Does this fall under the

1635
01:05:49,839 --> 01:05:52,319
strategic plan when it comes to, you

1636
01:05:52,319 --> 01:05:53,839
know, crime prevent all the good work

1637
01:05:53,839 --> 01:05:55,520
we're doing in United Northeast? I'm

1638
01:05:55,520 --> 01:06:00,069
assuming it does.

1639
01:06:00,079 --> 01:06:01,680
» Council Brown, yes, you're correct. I

1640
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:03,280
mean, that's one element of public

1641
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:05,680
safety that can be considered. Okay.

1642
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:10,230
Thank you. Thank you.

1643
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:13,520
» Anyone else right now?

1644
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:15,359
Okay. I think we will move on then to

1645
01:06:15,359 --> 01:06:17,200
public comment.

1646
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:19,359
Don't go too far. We'll be back with

1647
01:06:19,359 --> 01:06:20,880
questions.

1648
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:24,559
Um, okay. I will call two names at once.

1649
01:06:24,559 --> 01:06:26,240
Please come forward to the podium. Make

1650
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:27,680
sure the button is pressed and the green

1651
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:30,480
lights on. Uh, please state your address

1652
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:32,880
or your award for the record and your

1653
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:35,440
name. Melissa Lang Bacho and Ray

1654
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:44,150
Quizenberry.

1655
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:47,520
Hi uh mayor, counselors, and neighbors.

1656
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:50,480
My name is Melissa Lang Vacho. I am a

1657
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:52,960
Salem resident in the Fight Neighborhood

1658
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:58,000
District. I'm here in support of uh the

1659
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,240
20 is plenty initiative uh to lower

1660
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:03,760
speed limit from 25 miles per hour to 20

1661
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:06,000
in residential neighborhoods. My

1662
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:07,760
comments essentially are reiterating

1663
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:09,760
much of the staff presentation, so

1664
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:12,559
forgive me for the repetitiveness. Um,

1665
01:07:12,559 --> 01:07:14,880
studies have reflected that current

1666
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:17,680
vehicle designs are safe for persons

1667
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:19,760
inside of of the vehicles, but are

1668
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:22,079
pretty deadly to vulnerable road users

1669
01:07:22,079 --> 01:07:24,000
like pedestrians and bicyclists like

1670
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:25,520
myself

1671
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:27,920
um outside of the vehicle. In our own

1672
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:29,839
community, the city has made efforts to

1673
01:07:29,839 --> 01:07:32,079
improve conditions for drivers, which

1674
01:07:32,079 --> 01:07:34,400
has shown results in uh the traffic

1675
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:37,520
safety data. Improvements haven't shown

1676
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:39,280
the same results for pedestrians and

1677
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:42,559
cyclists. In 2025, there were 10 traffic

1678
01:07:42,559 --> 01:07:44,559
fatalities. Seven of those were

1679
01:07:44,559 --> 01:07:46,880
pedestrians and cyclists. The

1680
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:49,440
survivability of a crash uh with a motor

1681
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:52,240
vehicle increases with lower speeds. For

1682
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:53,680
pedestrians, there's a really high

1683
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:56,000
likelihood of survival when speeds are

1684
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:59,680
less than 20 20 mph. Uh reduced speeds

1685
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:01,440
also allow for more time for drivers to

1686
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:04,000
react to unexpected hazards and people

1687
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:06,799
uh to avoid collisions. As a bicyclist,

1688
01:08:06,799 --> 01:08:09,119
a helmet can't uh save me from getting

1689
01:08:09,119 --> 01:08:10,960
hit by a driver, but better

1690
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:12,880
infrastructure, slower speeds, and

1691
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:15,680
education can. Our neighborhood streets

1692
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:17,600
are not a place for speeding their

1693
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:19,679
community spaces, and we should take

1694
01:08:19,679 --> 01:08:22,080
steps to ensure the safety of the users

1695
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:23,359
and the animals that live in our

1696
01:08:23,359 --> 01:08:25,600
neighborhoods with us. I urge you to

1697
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:27,520
take this important step to help improve

1698
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:30,400
our community safety and support uh the

1699
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:32,560
lower speed limits throughout the city

1700
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:34,480
and not just in the neighborhoods.

1701
01:08:34,480 --> 01:08:36,480
Thanks.

1702
01:08:36,480 --> 01:08:38,880
Thank you for your testimony. Ray

1703
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:44,950
Quizenberry and Ian Davidson.

1704
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:46,880
» Hi, my name is Ray Quisenberry. I live

1705
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:48,799
in Ward One. I think most of the things

1706
01:08:48,799 --> 01:08:50,560
I wanted to say have already been said

1707
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:52,880
tonight at the staff presentation. So,

1708
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:55,279
I'm just going to make this brief. Um,

1709
01:08:55,279 --> 01:08:57,359
I'm speaking obviously in support of

1710
01:08:57,359 --> 01:08:59,359
20th Planning. And I want to thank the

1711
01:08:59,359 --> 01:09:01,040
city staff for all the work they've done

1712
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:02,480
and for what you guys have done, too,

1713
01:09:02,480 --> 01:09:05,759
and voting for this. Um, and there was

1714
01:09:05,759 --> 01:09:08,000
an article in the Sunday paper that I

1715
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:09,839
was really appreciative of talking about

1716
01:09:09,839 --> 01:09:11,759
20 is plenty. It gave a lot of this

1717
01:09:11,759 --> 01:09:14,080
detail also. So again, I don't really

1718
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:15,520
want to repeat what everyone has just

1719
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:18,319
said, but I did want to say that not

1720
01:09:18,319 --> 01:09:20,319
only is this good for all types of

1721
01:09:20,319 --> 01:09:22,560
active transportation, not just walking,

1722
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:25,679
but biking and skateboarding and

1723
01:09:25,679 --> 01:09:27,440
everything else that goes on in in my

1724
01:09:27,440 --> 01:09:29,440
neighborhood anyway. But it's also good

1725
01:09:29,440 --> 01:09:32,239
for cars. I live in the Grant

1726
01:09:32,239 --> 01:09:34,319
neighborhood. the streets are narrow.

1727
01:09:34,319 --> 01:09:36,719
Um, cars are parked all the way to the

1728
01:09:36,719 --> 01:09:39,359
intersection and it's hard to see around

1729
01:09:39,359 --> 01:09:42,000
the corner often and so have a little

1730
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:43,600
bit more reaction time would be a big

1731
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:46,159
boon to people that live in these tight

1732
01:09:46,159 --> 01:09:48,719
neighborhoods

1733
01:09:48,719 --> 01:09:51,120
in my neighborhood and probably lots of

1734
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:54,159
neighborhoods. I have seen more families

1735
01:09:54,159 --> 01:09:56,960
with strollers and kids out in the last

1736
01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:59,199
few years than I have in almost the 30

1737
01:09:59,199 --> 01:10:00,560
years I've lived in the Grant

1738
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:03,040
neighborhood. It's really amazing and

1739
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:04,960
really heartwarming. Uh, I want to keep

1740
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:07,040
these families safe and I want to keep

1741
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:09,199
these kids safe as they get older and go

1742
01:10:09,199 --> 01:10:11,280
out on their own and they decide they're

1743
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:12,719
going to ride their bike or they're

1744
01:10:12,719 --> 01:10:13,760
going to go down the street on a

1745
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:17,520
skateboard and do what kids do. So, I

1746
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:20,719
appreciate it and I want to thank um

1747
01:10:20,719 --> 01:10:26,640
thank the city and thank for for making Salem safer for everyone.

1748
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:28,480
Thank you.

1749
01:10:28,480 --> 01:10:30,400
for your testimony, Ian

1750
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:37,590
Davidson and Susie Davidson.

1751
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:39,440
Good evening, Mayor Hoy, members of the

1752
01:10:39,440 --> 01:10:41,280
Salem City Council. My name is Ian

1753
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:43,199
Davidson. I live in the unincorporated

1754
01:10:43,199 --> 01:10:46,560
portions of Salem um in the Four Corners

1755
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:49,360
area. However, I represent members in

1756
01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:51,120
East Salem. I serve on the Chariots

1757
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:52,719
board and the vice president on that

1758
01:10:52,719 --> 01:10:55,760
board, your public transit provider. Um

1759
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:58,000
I am speaking as an individual member of

1760
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:00,239
the board. I do not speak for the board

1761
01:11:00,239 --> 01:11:03,520
uh officially and I come to you to urge

1762
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:05,120
you to support the 2020 plenty

1763
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:07,199
initiative and pass this ordinance

1764
01:11:07,199 --> 01:11:09,760
specifically uh for our bus riders

1765
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:11,520
because the moment that they step off of

1766
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:14,239
a bus they become either a pedestrian or

1767
01:11:14,239 --> 01:11:17,280
a bicyclist or as transportation

1768
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:19,440
professionals call it a vulnerable road

1769
01:11:19,440 --> 01:11:23,199
user. So they are at greater risk for uh

1770
01:11:23,199 --> 01:11:25,360
either a fatality or serious injury when

1771
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:27,920
a crash were to occur. And so for that

1772
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:31,120
reason, I strongly urge you to support

1773
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:34,400
passage of this ordinance. Um by

1774
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:36,320
lowering speeds on our neighborhood

1775
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:38,159
streets, riders will be able to walk or

1776
01:11:38,159 --> 01:11:40,800
bike to their bus from their bus to

1777
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:42,880
their final destinations with greater

1778
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:45,920
safety and greater confidence. Um, as

1779
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:48,000
you have heard,

1780
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:51,199
there are many wise and uh, credible

1781
01:11:51,199 --> 01:11:54,080
reasons to do this. Um, I will just add

1782
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:56,480
that because of the support of this body

1783
01:11:56,480 --> 01:11:58,239
from several years ago, we have now seen

1784
01:11:58,239 --> 01:12:01,600
a significant increase in riders 18 and

1785
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:05,360
younger ride the bus. And so we have a a

1786
01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:07,120
staggering amount of youth riding the

1787
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:09,120
bus. And so I would urge you to also

1788
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:11,360
support this ordinance for them as well.

1789
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:13,440
As the father of two of those bus

1790
01:12:13,440 --> 01:12:15,360
riders, two of those students in the

1791
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:17,360
Salem Kaiser public school system, I

1792
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:19,120
would also speak to you as a father to

1793
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:21,040
please pass this ordinance. This

1794
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:23,520
ordinance by no means is a panacea.

1795
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:25,600
However, it is one step forward towards

1796
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:28,080
making our community safer, more

1797
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:30,000
livable. So, thank you very much. I look

1798
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:31,679
forward to working with you on future

1799
01:12:31,679 --> 01:12:34,719
safety interventions. Thank you.

1800
01:12:34,719 --> 01:12:36,560
>> Thank you for your testimony, Susie

1801
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:46,709
Davidson and Evan Manville.

1802
01:12:46,719 --> 01:12:50,400
Mayor Hoy and Sizzy City counselors, my

1803
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:52,960
name is Susie Davidson and I am a fifth

1804
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:55,760
grader at Grant Community School. I hope

1805
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:58,080
you will vote to support reducing

1806
01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:01,199
neighborhood limit uh speed limits. I

1807
01:13:01,199 --> 01:13:04,239
want to lower speed limits because once

1808
01:13:04,239 --> 01:13:07,520
while walking in a crosswalk to the Boys

1809
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:09,920
and Girls Club, I was almost hit by a

1810
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:12,000
speeding car.

1811
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:14,800
Also, people need

1812
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:18,159
um people speed in my neighborhood even

1813
01:13:18,159 --> 01:13:20,960
though kids play there. This is

1814
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:24,400
dangerous. Please support voting

1815
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:27,440
the speed limit for the safety of future

1816
01:13:27,440 --> 01:13:30,800
generations. Thank you.

1817
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:35,110
for your testimony.

1818
01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:38,670
» Evan Manville.

1819
01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:40,560
[clears throat]

1820
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:42,159
Thank you, Susie. That's a hard act to

1821
01:13:42,159 --> 01:13:44,239
follow. Uh Evan Manville, for the

1822
01:13:44,239 --> 01:13:48,480
record, W two. Um I serve on the

1823
01:13:48,480 --> 01:13:50,400
steering committee of Salem Bike Vision,

1824
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:52,640
and we're in support of this. Uh we're a

1825
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:54,880
group that works to make uh Salem safer

1826
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:56,800
and more welcoming for people who who

1827
01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:59,280
bike or are interested in biking. And we

1828
01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:00,480
support this effort because the number

1829
01:14:00,480 --> 01:14:03,199
one reason people don't bike, they say,

1830
01:14:03,199 --> 01:14:04,880
is because safety. They're concerned

1831
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:07,520
about safety. And this would take a

1832
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:09,440
small step towards making it safer to

1833
01:14:09,440 --> 01:14:12,480
bike in our community.

1834
01:14:12,480 --> 01:14:14,480
America is particularly bad at traffic

1835
01:14:14,480 --> 01:14:16,800
safety. And we might not realize that,

1836
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:19,199
but the odds of getting killed in

1837
01:14:19,199 --> 01:14:21,360
traffic drop in half when you cross the

1838
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:23,600
Canadian border.

1839
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:25,520
The best countries in the world have a

1840
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:28,080
traffic fatality rate a fifth or a sixth

1841
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:32,239
of ours. This is a an American

1842
01:14:32,239 --> 01:14:35,280
uh problem. Uh

1843
01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:36,960
traffic is one of the leading killers of

1844
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:40,800
Americans aged 3 through 35.

1845
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:43,040
We are really fetishizing speeding

1846
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:45,360
traffic at the expense of our neighbors

1847
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:47,840
and our youth and our lives.

1848
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:50,159
Uh we're dedicating our largest public

1849
01:14:50,159 --> 01:14:53,280
space, which is our roads, uh to become

1850
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:55,600
a raceway instead of a place that

1851
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:57,440
neighbors can chat, kids can play,

1852
01:14:57,440 --> 01:14:59,840
people can walk and bike, and people can

1853
01:14:59,840 --> 01:15:02,640
drive at reasonable speeds.

1854
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:07,751
It doesn't have to be this way.

1855
01:15:07,761 --> 01:15:08,480
» [clears throat]

1856
01:15:08,480 --> 01:15:10,800
>> So these other countries mainly have

1857
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:13,040
lower they do a lot of things to make it

1858
01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:14,480
safer but one of the main things they do

1859
01:15:14,480 --> 01:15:17,040
is they treat the laws of physics like

1860
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:19,199
they actually exist and they tackle

1861
01:15:19,199 --> 01:15:21,679
speeds. Uh so this is one thing staff

1862
01:15:21,679 --> 01:15:24,080
covered it very well. Uh I appreciate

1863
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:26,080
all the work that the city council and

1864
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:27,520
the staff have done over the years to

1865
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:30,159
nudge our traffic speeds down. uh

1866
01:15:30,159 --> 01:15:32,719
traffic engineer Cara Hall success in

1867
01:15:32,719 --> 01:15:35,199
South Liberty most recently um their

1868
01:15:35,199 --> 01:15:37,360
work on this uh and we're not going to

1869
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:38,640
pretend that everyone's going to go 20

1870
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:41,120
miles an hour. You're correct. Um but

1871
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:43,280
even if it's a marginal thing, it could

1872
01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:46,880
move a life to a death, a serious injury

1873
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:49,520
to a near miss. And that marginal person

1874
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:52,080
could be me or you or our kids or our

1875
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:55,280
neighbors kids. And uh really really

1876
01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:57,600
want to support this. The last thing I

1877
01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:00,239
want to say is I I hope this is positive

1878
01:16:00,239 --> 01:16:01,760
velocitization. For those who don't

1879
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:03,600
know, velocitization is kind of when

1880
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:04,800
you're driving on the highway, you don't

1881
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:05,840
realize you've been traveling really

1882
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:07,120
fast. You get off the highway and you

1883
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:08,960
don't realize how fast you're traveling.

1884
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:10,640
I'm hoping that by setting neighborhood

1885
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:12,560
speed slow, we'll start our travel at a

1886
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:14,000
reasonable speed. When we get on those

1887
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:16,480
more dangerous main roads, we'll go a

1888
01:16:16,480 --> 01:16:18,480
more reasonable speed as well. So, it'll

1889
01:16:18,480 --> 01:16:21,760
kind of ingrain safe traveling um in our

1890
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:24,000
daily habits. So, thank you for your

1891
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:25,520
consideration. Thank you for your

1892
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:26,880
service to the city. Thanks for the

1893
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:29,840
countless hours I know you all put um in

1894
01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:32,320
serving the city on council and uh

1895
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:36,400
appreciate your support. Thank you.

1896
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:38,880
>> All right. Thank you. That is it for

1897
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:41,520
public testimony. Does anyone have any

1898
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:45,440
further questions for staff?

1899
01:16:45,440 --> 01:16:47,920
I have one question I did not send ahead

1900
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:49,280
of time because I didn't think of it

1901
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:51,679
till tonight. How what is the basis for

1902
01:16:51,679 --> 01:16:56,320
the 2,000 average daily

1903
01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:58,560
travelers?

1904
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:01,440
>> Yeah. Um annual average daily traffic.

1905
01:17:01,440 --> 01:17:03,760
It's a mouthful. Um so that's actually

1906
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:06,480
based in OS 810.180

1907
01:17:06,480 --> 01:17:10,159
subsection 10. Um within OS 810.180,

1908
01:17:10,159 --> 01:17:11,760
there are a variety of subsections

1909
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:13,679
granting authority to jurisdictions to

1910
01:17:13,679 --> 01:17:15,840
lower speed limits under a variety of

1911
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:18,239
circumstances. This ordinance is chiefly

1912
01:17:18,239 --> 01:17:21,600
based under subsection 11 um which

1913
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:23,920
grants uh cities the authority to lower

1914
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:25,760
speed limits by up to 10 miles per hour

1915
01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:27,280
in residence districts. So that's

1916
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:29,120
chiefly what we're basing on. However,

1917
01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:31,040
under subsection 10, there is a

1918
01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:32,800
different qualification criteria that

1919
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:35,840
uses those lower that 2000 benchmark as

1920
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:38,000
the benchmark for a low volume collector

1921
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:39,679
street. So even though we're not

1922
01:17:39,679 --> 01:17:42,159
necessarily using that as the RS B,

1923
01:17:42,159 --> 01:17:44,080
we're not using that piece of the RS as

1924
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:47,199
the basis. We did borrow that um to make

1925
01:17:47,199 --> 01:17:48,719
the definition of a low volume

1926
01:17:48,719 --> 01:17:51,280
collector.

1927
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:53,199
>> Councelor Barney, thank you. Go ahead.

1928
01:17:53,199 --> 01:17:55,440
>> Oh, thank you very much. You know, in

1929
01:17:55,440 --> 01:17:57,199
looking at the map, number one, thank

1930
01:17:57,199 --> 01:17:59,840
you so much for putting the radar things

1931
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:02,080
on Burley Hill because that's kind of a

1932
01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:05,199
speedway. Uh but another road that runs

1933
01:18:05,199 --> 01:18:08,480
parallel with Burley Hill is Kingwood.

1934
01:18:08,480 --> 01:18:11,920
And Kingwood is not getting any signs at

1935
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:14,239
all. So

1936
01:18:14,239 --> 01:18:16,239
is traffic I mean is there that much

1937
01:18:16,239 --> 01:18:19,920
traffic on Kingwood to not require the

1938
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:23,600
stop sign I mean the uh 20 mph signs

1939
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:25,199
there.

1940
01:18:25,199 --> 01:18:27,280
>> I don't have the volume data in front of

1941
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:31,920
me. Oh I

1942
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:33,120
>> looked at that one.

1943
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:34,640
>> Oh yeah. Um

1944
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:35,600
>> over the

1945
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:37,280
>> Okay. So on Kingwood the volumes are

1946
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:39,440
over 2,000. One piece that I will just

1947
01:18:39,440 --> 01:18:41,920
kind of mention tied to that, we don't

1948
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:44,239
necessarily have authoritative count

1949
01:18:44,239 --> 01:18:46,880
data on every street across the city.

1950
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:48,719
So, one thing that we are aware of is

1951
01:18:48,719 --> 01:18:50,239
there might be a collector or two that

1952
01:18:50,239 --> 01:18:51,760
we've missed and when we go out and

1953
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:52,960
collect data on it, we're going to

1954
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:54,960
realize, oh, this meets the benchmark to

1955
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:56,719
have the reduced speed limit. And we're

1956
01:18:56,719 --> 01:18:58,560
planning on addressing those through the

1957
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:00,640
neighborhood traffic management plan,

1958
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:02,239
which already is something we use to

1959
01:19:02,239 --> 01:19:03,760
address traffic calming on our

1960
01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:05,440
neighborhood streets or through our

1961
01:19:05,440 --> 01:19:07,360
internal sign crews. If there's if we

1962
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:09,280
come across any where we realize after

1963
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:10,800
collecting new data that it meets the

1964
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:12,480
criteria, we'll address those through

1965
01:19:12,480 --> 01:19:13,920
our internal sign crews rather through

1966
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:22,070
than this larger grant process.

1967
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:24,480
I'm a visual person. Are these signs

1968
01:19:24,480 --> 01:19:27,199
constructed? Are they waiting to be put

1969
01:19:27,199 --> 01:19:29,440
up or not built yet?

1970
01:19:29,440 --> 01:19:32,719
>> I don't I don't believe that they're constructed in like I don't

1971
01:19:32,719 --> 01:19:33,840
think we got them in a warehouse

1972
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:35,679
somewhere at this point. I'm actually

1973
01:19:35,679 --> 01:19:37,440
not the um delivery that we have a

1974
01:19:37,440 --> 01:19:38,800
different um gentleman in the public

1975
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:40,159
works engineering department who's

1976
01:19:40,159 --> 01:19:42,400
managing the actual like nuts and bolts

1977
01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:46,000
delivery of sign installation. Um, so

1978
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:48,480
you know,

1979
01:19:48,480 --> 01:19:50,239
>> Julie Hansen, transportation planning

1980
01:19:50,239 --> 01:19:51,760
manager. I just wanted to say that

1981
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:54,320
because of the large amount of signs, we

1982
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:56,480
are putting this out to contract. So, a

1983
01:19:56,480 --> 01:19:58,560
consultant contractor will be producing

1984
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:01,840
the signs and installing them. um for

1985
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:05,120
the things that uh Hayden mentioned like

1986
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:07,600
if we have to go go back and add a

1987
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:09,600
street that's something that our sign

1988
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:12,400
shop can do because they do produce

1989
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:14,880
signs and install them just not at this

1990
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:17,520
scale at one time

1991
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:20,800
>> and I have a followup if you don't mind

1992
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:24,800
um I wonder if the uh how that roll out

1993
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:28,080
will happen if it happens is it do they

1994
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:30,719
take a section of the city at a time

1995
01:20:30,719 --> 01:20:33,280
Yeah. Um Hayden mentioned earlier that

1996
01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:35,360
might have glossed over a bit, but we

1997
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:38,239
expect this to take um about a year from

1998
01:20:38,239 --> 01:20:41,040
the time we start. And when we put that

1999
01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:43,120
contract out to bid, we will be working

2000
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:46,000
with the contractor to develop a

2001
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:47,520
schedule so it's rolled out

2002
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:50,400
geographically, you know, so that we can

2003
01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:53,040
take our public education campaign and

2004
01:20:53,040 --> 01:20:55,120
sort of it's like, okay, we're starting

2005
01:20:55,120 --> 01:20:57,040
in ward whatever or whatever

2006
01:20:57,040 --> 01:20:59,760
neighborhood association and roll it out

2007
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:03,360
that way. So, it's not yet determined.

2008
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:04,400
>> Councelor Brown.

2009
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:07,440
>> Thanks, Madam Mayor. So, um, uh, manager

2010
01:21:07,440 --> 01:21:09,120
Julie, you just mentioned that there is

2011
01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:11,520
going to be a contractor for this. So,

2012
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:17,590
there will be an RFP process.

2013
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:19,440
There'll be a contract will be put out

2014
01:21:19,440 --> 01:21:21,600
for a bid

2015
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:24,080
and and I'm [laughter] I'm not sure if

2016
01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:26,400
I'm using the right words, so I'm just

2017
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:31,760
you're fine. Leave it up to me. Um, so, so with that process, I'm going to

2018
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:33,600
assume that we as the counselors, we

2019
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:35,920
will find out, uh, the results of the

2020
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:38,800
RFP process later on down the road.

2021
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:40,640
Director, I'm assuming. Got it.

2022
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:43,120
>> Um, yes, the nodding heads.

2023
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:47,430
>> Got it. Got it. Okay. Thank you.

2024
01:21:47,440 --> 01:21:51,669
Anyone else,

2025
01:21:51,679 --> 01:21:54,719
Councelor Nishioa? No.

2026
01:21:54,719 --> 01:21:56,320
Okay. Thank you everyone for the

2027
01:21:56,320 --> 01:21:58,480
presentation and thank you to those who

2028
01:21:58,480 --> 01:22:02,320
showed up to testify tonight. [snorts]

2029
01:22:02,320 --> 01:22:04,800
Go ahead and close the hearing and then

2030
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:10,149
councelor uh prom chairwin.

2031
01:22:10,159 --> 01:22:13,120
I move staff recommendation to establish

2032
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:15,920
20 mph speed limits on local residential

2033
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:18,480
streets and collector streets with less

2034
01:22:18,480 --> 01:22:21,360
than 2,000 average annual daily traffic

2035
01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:24,880
and advanced ordinance bill number 14-26

2036
01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:27,040
to second reading for passage.

2037
01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:29,520
>> Second.

2038
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:31,520
We have a motion and I believe I heard a

2039
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:34,000
second from Matthews. Was it Nordike

2040
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:37,920
first? Okay, Nordike. Thank you. Uh any

2041
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:41,510
discussion?

2042
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:42,800
» Yeah, Councelor Tigan.

2043
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:45,600
>> Thank you, Madam Mayor. Um

2044
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:47,600
uh looking forward to voting yes on

2045
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:50,080
this. Uh really appreciate the staff's

2046
01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:53,120
uh commitment to taking this um all the

2047
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:55,120
way through the process and getting the

2048
01:22:55,120 --> 01:23:00,000
grant support to um bring this uh to the

2049
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:03,040
city and do it at a cost that is shared

2050
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:04,800
by other levels of government that share

2051
01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:06,320
our commitment to making our streets

2052
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:08,880
safer. Um and I really appreciate the

2053
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:11,280
public testimony this evening uh from my

2054
01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:13,920
neighbors and uh classmates of my

2055
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:17,840
children um and fellow bus riders. Um, I

2056
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:19,679
think uh we really do have an

2057
01:23:19,679 --> 01:23:25,199
opportunity to make an impact here. And I just really want to note what our

2058
01:23:25,199 --> 01:23:29,120
uh uh staff member Hayden said was that,

2059
01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:30,480
you know, the biggest change actually

2060
01:23:30,480 --> 01:23:32,719
doesn't happen between 25 and 20, but

2061
01:23:32,719 --> 01:23:36,000
maybe between 35 and 30 or between 35

2062
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:38,639
and 25. I think we all know by human

2063
01:23:38,639 --> 01:23:42,159
nature, u a speed limit of 30 mph feels

2064
01:23:42,159 --> 01:23:45,199
like a permission to go 10% faster. And

2065
01:23:45,199 --> 01:23:48,400
so every uh reduction we can put on the

2066
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:50,400
road means a reduction in those speeds

2067
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:53,077
and those speeds are safer. So um

2068
01:23:53,077 --> 01:23:54,320
[snorts] really appreciate everyone's

2069
01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:56,480
work to bring this vote to us and very

2070
01:23:56,480 --> 01:24:00,709
much looking forward to supporting it.

2071
01:24:00,719 --> 01:24:03,360
» Councelor Vney, go ahead.

2072
01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:05,920
>> I just uh thank you councelor Tyen for

2073
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:08,639
saying that. I agree. Um and especially

2074
01:24:08,639 --> 01:24:12,480
as we see our density increasing and

2075
01:24:12,480 --> 01:24:14,320
more and more vehicles on the road, you

2076
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:16,800
know, in hopefully this will encourage

2077
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:19,199
more and more people to walk and ride

2078
01:24:19,199 --> 01:24:21,840
cycle and the strollers and kids of

2079
01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:26,719
course. I know I myself um do not feel

2080
01:24:26,719 --> 01:24:29,840
comfortable riding a bike around a lot

2081
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:33,360
of our city. Um, cars go really fast and

2082
01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:36,159
I don't think they really look that

2083
01:24:36,159 --> 01:24:39,440
closely for folks on bikes. So,

2084
01:24:39,440 --> 01:24:41,600
personally and for our city and

2085
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:43,520
everybody, I really appreciate this

2086
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:47,430
coming forward.

2087
01:24:47,440 --> 01:24:49,760
Anyone else?

2088
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:51,920
I would just like to acknowledge those

2089
01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:55,760
who did write in in opposition to this.

2090
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:57,600
Pretty much every one of them mentioned

2091
01:24:57,600 --> 01:24:59,280
enforcement.

2092
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:02,639
And so I want to make a a alongside

2093
01:25:02,639 --> 01:25:05,360
commitment um to increasing our public

2094
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:10,000
safety by bringing uh more officers into

2095
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:12,480
our communities so we can do more to

2096
01:25:12,480 --> 01:25:15,360
further protect our communities. So

2097
01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:18,960
thank you. Anything further

2098
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:21,520
councelor Matthews?

2099
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:23,120
>> Well and I kind of said my piece I guess

2100
01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:24,400
a little earlier than I was supposed to.

2101
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:25,920
That was question time. I end up going

2102
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:28,880
into more thought time. But I just kind

2103
01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:30,560
of want to reiterate a similar thing to

2104
01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:33,040
what you're saying, mayor, is I think we

2105
01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:35,760
open oursel up for a real concern of not

2106
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:37,760
being able to actually enforce what we

2107
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:39,840
are saying we're going to do. And you

2108
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:42,800
know, Oregon, Salem, we don't have a law

2109
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:44,000
creation problem. We have a law

2110
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:45,199
enforcement problem because we don't

2111
01:25:45,199 --> 01:25:47,360
have enough resources to do it. And so I

2112
01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:48,639
feel like this is a little bit walking

2113
01:25:48,639 --> 01:25:50,000
us down a road where we're creating

2114
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:52,480
another another rule that ultimately we

2115
01:25:52,480 --> 01:25:53,760
don't have the resource to necessarily

2116
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:56,080
enforce. But um but from a general

2117
01:25:56,080 --> 01:25:58,400
principle, I think that 20 is plenty.

2118
01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:00,400
And so I'll vote in favor of it knowing

2119
01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:01,760
that there may be an outcome on the

2120
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:04,480
backside that ends up being um

2121
01:26:04,480 --> 01:26:06,080
detrimental is the wrong word, but ends

2122
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:08,320
up being uh an issue that we have to

2123
01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:11,040
deal with. So

2124
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:13,040
>> councelor Barney,

2125
01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:15,440
>> thank you. I just wanted to add on I

2126
01:26:15,440 --> 01:26:18,080
believe it's up to all of us to enforce

2127
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:21,679
it ourselves and set the example. And I

2128
01:26:21,679 --> 01:26:22,800
think that'll be the strongest

2129
01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:24,639
enforcement tool we have if we can

2130
01:26:24,639 --> 01:26:26,320
encourage

2131
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:29,600
people to stick to that speed limit.

2132
01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:30,719
Thanks,

2133
01:26:30,719 --> 01:26:32,080
>> Councelor Matthews.

2134
01:26:32,080 --> 01:26:33,679
>> What I just heard is councelor Vney is

2135
01:26:33,679 --> 01:26:35,199
okay with spike strips just in your

2136
01:26:35,199 --> 01:26:37,840
neighborhoods. Just throw them out.

2137
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:42,870
>> Just kidding. I'm just joking.

2138
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:44,560
» That was a joke.

2139
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:46,159
>> Yeah. Anyone else?

2140
01:26:46,159 --> 01:26:47,120
>> First meeting.

2141
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:47,520
>> Yeah.

2142
01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:49,520
>> Okay.

2143
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:51,679
Seeing nothing further, um will the

2144
01:26:51,679 --> 01:26:53,840
recorder please call the role.

2145
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:56,480
>> Councelor Gwyn

2146
01:26:56,480 --> 01:26:57,760
>> I.

2147
01:26:57,760 --> 01:26:58,880
>> Councelor Brown

2148
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:00,000
>> I.

2149
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:02,480
>> Councelor Bang absent. Councelor Nordike

2150
01:27:02,480 --> 01:27:03,440
>> I.

2151
01:27:03,440 --> 01:27:04,880
>> Councelor Vney

2152
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:05,679
>> I.

2153
01:27:05,679 --> 01:27:06,960
>> Councelor Tyen

2154
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:07,920
>> I.

2155
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:10,000
>> Councelor Nishioa

2156
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:11,199
>> I.

2157
01:27:11,199 --> 01:27:12,639
>> Councelor Matthews

2158
01:27:12,639 --> 01:27:13,360
>> I.

2159
01:27:13,360 --> 01:27:14,880
>> Mayor Julie Hoy

2160
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:18,080
>> I. Motion passes.

2161
01:27:18,080 --> 01:27:21,360
All right. Um, Susie Susie Davidson,

2162
01:27:21,360 --> 01:27:23,199
before you leave, I have something for

2163
01:27:23,199 --> 01:27:32,390
you.

2164
01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:34,080
» Can I get a free gift? Can I get a

2165
01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:36,239
present?

2166
01:27:36,239 --> 01:27:40,080
>> You're with me. Isn't that enough?

2167
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:43,360
>> I want a present.

2168
01:27:43,360 --> 01:27:52,629
Oh, that's a nice picture.

2169
01:27:52,639 --> 01:27:53,920
Can I be a part of the planning

2170
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:58,870
committee?

2171
01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:02,080
» All right. Um, we are going to go

2172
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:03,920
backwards just a little bit because

2173
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:05,920
someone had intended to sign up under

2174
01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:08,239
item two for testimony and we want to

2175
01:28:08,239 --> 01:28:10,560
give them an opportunity to speak uh

2176
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:12,480
right now and that person's name is

2177
01:28:12,480 --> 01:28:15,840
Katherine Dobbler. Dobbler.

2178
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:18,719
Okay, please come forward and thank you

2179
01:28:18,719 --> 01:28:23,110
for your patience.

2180
01:28:23,120 --> 01:28:26,000
Thank you. Katie Doer Ward 2. I'm here

2181
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:28,400
with a center 50 plus strategic plan

2182
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:30,320
update. Thank you, mayor and counselors

2183
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:32,320
for tonight's proclamation. It's a

2184
01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:33,679
meaningful recognition of the role

2185
01:28:33,679 --> 01:28:36,000
seniors play across the Wamut Valley and

2186
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:37,679
it aligns directly with the work our

2187
01:28:37,679 --> 01:28:40,080
strategic plan is built around. Over the

2188
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:41,600
past several months, the commission has

2189
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:43,679
been updating that plan to look 25 years

2190
01:28:43,679 --> 01:28:46,159
ahead, positioning Center 50 Plus to

2191
01:28:46,159 --> 01:28:48,480
serve a fast growing population in a

2192
01:28:48,480 --> 01:28:50,960
truly age friendly community. Oregon is

2193
01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:53,679
now one of only 11 states where

2194
01:28:53,679 --> 01:28:55,679
residents 65 and older outnumber

2195
01:28:55,679 --> 01:28:57,679
children under 18, a first in our

2196
01:28:57,679 --> 01:28:59,760
state's history. Meeting that shift

2197
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:01,360
means aligning with the broader senior

2198
01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:03,520
services network, not duplicating it.

2199
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:05,840
Center 50 Plus has spent 50 years as a

2200
01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:08,320
leader and convenor in this space and

2201
01:29:08,320 --> 01:29:09,760
those participants let us stretch

2202
01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:11,920
limited resources further while avoiding

2203
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:14,000
overlap with the other organizations

2204
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:16,800
serving older adults here. This is also

2205
01:29:16,800 --> 01:29:18,800
National Senior Center Month and it's a

2206
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:20,719
fitting moment to recognize what senior

2207
01:29:20,719 --> 01:29:23,360
centers bring to the valley. Connection,

2208
01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:25,440
wellness, and a hub that keeps people

2209
01:29:25,440 --> 01:29:27,920
engaged as they age. We'll bring the

2210
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:29,760
full updated strategic plan back to

2211
01:29:29,760 --> 01:29:32,239
council on October 26th as a

2212
01:29:32,239 --> 01:29:33,760
presentation. And so we'd ask that the

2213
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:35,280
agenda allow for a bit more time than

2214
01:29:35,280 --> 01:29:37,440
usual that evening. Thanks again for

2215
01:29:37,440 --> 01:29:38,800
tonight's proclamation and your

2216
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:40,960
continued support.

2217
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:42,800
>> Thank you so much for your testimony and

2218
01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:44,400
thanks again for your patience.

2219
01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:46,239
>> Yeah.

2220
01:29:46,239 --> 01:29:49,750
Okay.

2221
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:54,159
We are moving on to item 4.2.

2222
01:29:54,159 --> 01:29:55,920
Salem City Council will now conduct a

2223
01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:57,679
public hearing to consider the appeal of

2224
01:29:57,679 --> 01:29:59,840
the Salem Planning Commission's decision

2225
01:29:59,840 --> 01:30:01,920
denying the minor comprehensive plan map

2226
01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:03,600
amendment, neighborhood plan map

2227
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:06,080
amendment, and zone change case number

2228
01:30:06,080 --> 01:30:10,800
CPC NPC ZC26 for property located at

2229
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:14,000
1505 Front Street Northeast. The

2230
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:16,960
applicable criteria to the decision are

2231
01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:18,800
for the minor comprehensive plan map

2232
01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:21,360
amendment SRC64.025E2

2233
01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:23,360
025E2

2234
01:30:23,360 --> 01:30:26,960
and for the quasi judicial zone change

2235
01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:30,149
265.005E.

2236
01:30:30,159 --> 01:30:32,159
Testimony, arguments, and evidence must

2237
01:30:32,159 --> 01:30:34,400
be directed toward the applicable

2238
01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:36,320
criteria or other criteria which the

2239
01:30:36,320 --> 01:30:37,840
person believes to apply to the

2240
01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:41,040
decision. Failure to raise an issue

2241
01:30:41,040 --> 01:30:42,639
prior to the close of the public hearing

2242
01:30:42,639 --> 01:30:45,280
in person or in writing or failure to

2243
01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:47,040
provide statements or evidence with

2244
01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:49,199
sufficient specificity to provide the

2245
01:30:49,199 --> 01:30:50,800
parties and the city council an

2246
01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:52,800
opportunity to respond to the issue

2247
01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:55,440
precludes precludes appeal to the land

2248
01:30:55,440 --> 01:30:57,920
use board of appeals on that issue. A

2249
01:30:57,920 --> 01:31:00,000
similar failure to raise constitutional

2250
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:02,880
issues related to proposed conditions of

2251
01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:04,880
approval precludes an action for damages

2252
01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:08,960
in circuit court. The hearing will be conducted with the staff

2253
01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:11,040
presentation first followed by testimony

2254
01:31:11,040 --> 01:31:14,080
from the following. The applicant along

2255
01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:16,080
with the applicant's representatives are

2256
01:31:16,080 --> 01:31:18,560
limited to a total of 10 minutes.

2257
01:31:18,560 --> 01:31:20,320
Affected neighborhood associations are

2258
01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:23,199
limited to five minutes per association.

2259
01:31:23,199 --> 01:31:24,960
Other interested parties are limited to

2260
01:31:24,960 --> 01:31:26,960
three minutes. And the applicant's

2261
01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:28,880
rebuttal is limited to five minutes and

2262
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:30,480
is limited to matters which were

2263
01:31:30,480 --> 01:31:32,080
introduced during the public hearing.

2264
01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:34,480
Thank you.

2265
01:31:34,480 --> 01:31:36,960
>> Thank you. Welcome and go right ahead.

2266
01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:38,560
>> Good evening, Mayor Hoy, members of the

2267
01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:40,639
council. Bryce Bishop with the Salem

2268
01:31:40,639 --> 01:31:42,000
Planning Division and I'm here tonight

2269
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:43,600
to present the appeal of the

2270
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:45,199
comprehensive plan change, neighborhood

2271
01:31:45,199 --> 01:31:46,800
plan change, and zone change for

2272
01:31:46,800 --> 01:31:49,120
property located at 1505 Front Street

2273
01:31:49,120 --> 01:31:50,639
Northeast.

2274
01:31:50,639 --> 01:31:52,800
So, uh, the first slide here is the

2275
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:54,320
location of the property. As you can

2276
01:31:54,320 --> 01:31:56,159
see, it's located to the north of the

2277
01:31:56,159 --> 01:31:58,239
downtown on Front Street along the Wamtt

2278
01:31:58,239 --> 01:32:00,080
River.

2279
01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:04,080
Uh the property is uh here shown uh in

2280
01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:06,880
the white outlined uh boxed area. Uh it

2281
01:32:06,880 --> 01:32:10,159
is located on at 1505 Front Street and

2282
01:32:10,159 --> 01:32:12,320
it is in an area uh that is

2283
01:32:12,320 --> 01:32:14,480
characterized by uh several minor

2284
01:32:14,480 --> 01:32:16,320
arterials including uh Front Street,

2285
01:32:16,320 --> 01:32:17,840
Hood Street and Market Street and those

2286
01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:20,000
are the streets identified in blue and

2287
01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:21,840
then also two major arterials,

2288
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:23,440
Commercial Street and Liberty Street as

2289
01:32:23,440 --> 01:32:25,840
part of the couplet there. And the white

2290
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:27,840
dash line that you'll see on the screen

2291
01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:30,080
is a railroad line. Uh and so the

2292
01:32:30,080 --> 01:32:32,080
Portland and Western Railroad uh which

2293
01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:34,560
is operated by uh owned by BNSF but

2294
01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:36,960
operated by uh uh Portland and Western

2295
01:32:36,960 --> 01:32:39,199
operates along this area I'm sure you're

2296
01:32:39,199 --> 01:32:41,520
familiar with and there is a railroad uh

2297
01:32:41,520 --> 01:32:43,679
sighting along the property uh for this

2298
01:32:43,679 --> 01:32:45,679
railroad line.

2299
01:32:45,679 --> 01:32:47,440
So in terms of the comprehensive plan

2300
01:32:47,440 --> 01:32:48,960
designation for the property, it's

2301
01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:50,960
designated river oriented mixeduse on

2302
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:53,040
the comprehensive plan map and it's been

2303
01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:55,600
designated uh with that designation from

2304
01:32:55,600 --> 01:32:57,760
at least 1979. So, it's been in place

2305
01:32:57,760 --> 01:33:00,239
for a long period of time. Uh, when we

2306
01:33:00,239 --> 01:33:02,159
did the R Salem process, which was the

2307
01:33:02,159 --> 01:33:04,560
multi-year uh, you know, process to

2308
01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:06,880
update the city's comprehensive plan and

2309
01:33:06,880 --> 01:33:09,360
associated zoning uh, comp plan changes

2310
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:11,679
and, uh, and some text amendments. Uh,

2311
01:33:11,679 --> 01:33:13,520
we did not change the designation of

2312
01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:15,520
this property because, uh, based on its

2313
01:33:15,520 --> 01:33:18,320
location uh, along the river near the

2314
01:33:18,320 --> 01:33:20,159
downtown, we felt it was appropriate and

2315
01:33:20,159 --> 01:33:21,840
there was no need to change it. But

2316
01:33:21,840 --> 01:33:23,600
there was an issue where the zoning was

2317
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:25,520
in conflict with that comprehensive plan

2318
01:33:25,520 --> 01:33:28,159
designation. And as you can see by the

2319
01:33:28,159 --> 01:33:31,040
zoning, oh, sorry, jumped ahead. Uh, so

2320
01:33:31,040 --> 01:33:32,800
it's river orientated mixed use on the

2321
01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:34,719
comprehensive plan map. In terms of the

2322
01:33:34,719 --> 01:33:36,320
neighborhood plan map, because there's

2323
01:33:36,320 --> 01:33:38,080
also a neighborhood plan map change with

2324
01:33:38,080 --> 01:33:40,400
this proposal, it is also designated

2325
01:33:40,400 --> 01:33:42,400
river oriented mixeduse as kind of shown

2326
01:33:42,400 --> 01:33:44,880
by the light uh blue area on the screen

2327
01:33:44,880 --> 01:33:46,560
there. So there's a a small river

2328
01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:48,480
oriented mixeduse district in the grant

2329
01:33:48,480 --> 01:33:50,080
neighborhood plan and then there's other

2330
01:33:50,080 --> 01:33:52,000
areas for wholesale manufacturing but

2331
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:53,920
this is specifically river oriented and

2332
01:33:53,920 --> 01:33:55,440
the neighborhood plan has specific

2333
01:33:55,440 --> 01:33:58,159
policies for commercial mixeduse uh

2334
01:33:58,159 --> 01:33:59,520
residential types of development

2335
01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:01,760
patterns occurring in in this area and

2336
01:34:01,760 --> 01:34:04,400
access to the river. In terms of the

2337
01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:06,639
zoning of the property uh it was changed

2338
01:34:06,639 --> 01:34:09,199
in 2002 with our Salem. went from IC

2339
01:34:09,199 --> 01:34:11,520
industrial commercial to uh river

2340
01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:14,960
oriented or MUR which is uh mixeduse

2341
01:34:14,960 --> 01:34:17,440
riverfront and that was selected for the

2342
01:34:17,440 --> 01:34:19,679
property because uh the mixeduse

2343
01:34:19,679 --> 01:34:22,400
riverfront zone was created as a zone to

2344
01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:25,199
uh specifically promote uh access to the

2345
01:34:25,199 --> 01:34:26,560
Wamtt River through pedestrian

2346
01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:28,960
connections to and along it uh mixed

2347
01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:31,440
uses with residential and commercial uh

2348
01:34:31,440 --> 01:34:33,199
buildings that are up next to the street

2349
01:34:33,199 --> 01:34:34,400
uh and a pedestrian friendly

2350
01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:36,639
environment. And so because we had this

2351
01:34:36,639 --> 01:34:38,239
conflict between the comp plan and the

2352
01:34:38,239 --> 01:34:40,480
zoning, we decided through our Salem it

2353
01:34:40,480 --> 01:34:42,960
was appropriate to change that uh zone

2354
01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:46,080
uh to MUR to to implement fully the

2355
01:34:46,080 --> 01:34:48,239
mixeduse uh river or mixed use

2356
01:34:48,239 --> 01:34:50,560
comprehensive plan designation. Uh the

2357
01:34:50,560 --> 01:34:52,400
proposal tonight not only seeks to

2358
01:34:52,400 --> 01:34:54,159
change the comprehensive plan map of the

2359
01:34:54,159 --> 01:34:55,760
subject property for to industrial

2360
01:34:55,760 --> 01:34:57,520
commercial but also the zoning map to

2361
01:34:57,520 --> 01:35:00,000
industrial commercial uh to to implement

2362
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:02,480
that

2363
01:35:02,480 --> 01:35:04,400
in terms of the the context of the

2364
01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:06,719
surrounding area. It is on an edge or a

2365
01:35:06,719 --> 01:35:08,719
transition area as you can see to the

2366
01:35:08,719 --> 01:35:10,800
south to the west and to the southeast

2367
01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:14,159
we have MUR zoning and to the north and

2368
01:35:14,159 --> 01:35:16,400
to the east and to the uh northeast

2369
01:35:16,400 --> 01:35:18,960
there is an enclave of industrial

2370
01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:21,120
general IG zone which is the gray area

2371
01:35:21,120 --> 01:35:24,320
on the map as well as uh other IC zoned

2372
01:35:24,320 --> 01:35:26,480
area which is the lighter purple uh

2373
01:35:26,480 --> 01:35:28,400
areas and that industrial kind of

2374
01:35:28,400 --> 01:35:30,000
enclave area is characterized by

2375
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:32,480
warehouse buildings and industrial uses.

2376
01:35:32,480 --> 01:35:35,440
Uh there is uh to immediately to the

2377
01:35:35,440 --> 01:35:37,360
west of the subject property across the

2378
01:35:37,360 --> 01:35:39,440
vacated water street uh the Wamut

2379
01:35:39,440 --> 01:35:41,840
Landing Apartments and those also uh go

2380
01:35:41,840 --> 01:35:43,840
two tax slots to the north. So if you go

2381
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:45,520
immediately to the west of the the

2382
01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:47,600
outlined white property that those are

2383
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:49,600
apartments and then to the two tax lots

2384
01:35:49,600 --> 01:35:51,280
to the north those are also part of that

2385
01:35:51,280 --> 01:35:53,440
complex. So it's in an area where it's

2386
01:35:53,440 --> 01:35:55,199
next to residential but it is also next

2387
01:35:55,199 --> 01:35:58,639
to industrial uses to the north.

2388
01:35:58,639 --> 01:36:00,880
And uh the property of course based on

2389
01:36:00,880 --> 01:36:03,440
its proximity to the river is uh adj not

2390
01:36:03,440 --> 01:36:05,600
within but adjacent to the Wamtt

2391
01:36:05,600 --> 01:36:10,480
greenway overlay zone uh which is in place uh to protect the

2392
01:36:10,480 --> 01:36:12,159
scenic and natural qualities of the

2393
01:36:12,159 --> 01:36:14,719
Wamtt River.

2394
01:36:14,719 --> 01:36:16,800
So in terms of the existing conditions

2395
01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:19,440
of the property itself, it's 1.43 acres.

2396
01:36:19,440 --> 01:36:21,920
It's it's flat uh you know it's a flat

2397
01:36:21,920 --> 01:36:24,320
site. There aren't any trees uh wetlands

2398
01:36:24,320 --> 01:36:26,800
or waterways present. Uh the site is can

2399
01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:28,480
be seen by the aerial photo is you know

2400
01:36:28,480 --> 01:36:30,400
fully developed with structures and

2401
01:36:30,400 --> 01:36:32,400
paving uh so there aren't any natural

2402
01:36:32,400 --> 01:36:34,800
resources issues there. Uh there is an

2403
01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:37,040
access easement across the west abuing

2404
01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:38,480
the western side of the property and

2405
01:36:38,480 --> 01:36:40,560
that is over the vacated rideway of

2406
01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:42,880
water street that was uh you know uh

2407
01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:45,600
vacated you know in the early 1900s uh

2408
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:47,199
because of it wasn't used but there was

2409
01:36:47,199 --> 01:36:48,639
an easement that was retained for

2410
01:36:48,639 --> 01:36:51,520
access. Uh existing uses in the building

2411
01:36:51,520 --> 01:36:54,639
include uh retail sales, uh building and

2412
01:36:54,639 --> 01:36:56,080
ground services and construction

2413
01:36:56,080 --> 01:36:58,159
contracting, general manufacturing and

2414
01:36:58,159 --> 01:37:00,239
indust and industrial services. And

2415
01:37:00,239 --> 01:37:01,840
those are accommodate or those are

2416
01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:04,639
provided by uh you know a few different

2417
01:37:04,639 --> 01:37:06,400
businesses that are kind of related to

2418
01:37:06,400 --> 01:37:09,119
each other. Uh dealing with fireplace uh

2419
01:37:09,119 --> 01:37:11,679
sales uh chimney repair and then also

2420
01:37:11,679 --> 01:37:13,600
they do industrial services like sand

2421
01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:15,199
blasting, powder coating of metal

2422
01:37:15,199 --> 01:37:17,679
products.

2423
01:37:17,679 --> 01:37:19,840
In terms of here's a bird's eye view

2424
01:37:19,840 --> 01:37:21,840
looking to the northwest. Uh the

2425
01:37:21,840 --> 01:37:23,760
property again is outlined in the in

2426
01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:26,480
white there. So you can see to the left

2427
01:37:26,480 --> 01:37:29,040
or to the southwest is the the the the

2428
01:37:29,040 --> 01:37:31,119
grass field. That's the former Tur

2429
01:37:31,119 --> 01:37:33,119
brother site. Uh you know not the

2430
01:37:33,119 --> 01:37:35,360
grassfield area but you know the tax lot

2431
01:37:35,360 --> 01:37:37,360
to the south of that. That is where uh

2432
01:37:37,360 --> 01:37:40,080
the Canary the Canary site is proposed

2433
01:37:40,080 --> 01:37:42,239
and it has land use approval for the the

2434
01:37:42,239 --> 01:37:44,480
mixeduse development. Uh three uh

2435
01:37:44,480 --> 01:37:46,800
six-story mixeduse buildings. Uh you can

2436
01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:51,600
see the Wamut Landing apartments to the to the top there. And then you

2437
01:37:51,600 --> 01:37:53,760
have the existing warehouse buildings to

2438
01:37:53,760 --> 01:37:56,639
the east and to the north. And then

2439
01:37:56,639 --> 01:37:58,800
here's just another view looking from

2440
01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:00,080
the other direction looking to the

2441
01:38:00,080 --> 01:38:03,440
southwest uh where you have kind of the

2442
01:38:03,440 --> 01:38:07,669
just another perspective.

2443
01:38:07,679 --> 01:38:09,280
So in terms of the applicant's appeal,

2444
01:38:09,280 --> 01:38:10,320
this was heard by the planning

2445
01:38:10,320 --> 01:38:12,400
commission in uh May and June. There was

2446
01:38:12,400 --> 01:38:13,760
an initial hearing and that was

2447
01:38:13,760 --> 01:38:16,880
continued till June 9th. uh the planning

2448
01:38:16,880 --> 01:38:18,719
commission uh based on the proceedings

2449
01:38:18,719 --> 01:38:20,320
that occurred prior to this uh they

2450
01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:22,639
voted to uh deny the application based

2451
01:38:22,639 --> 01:38:24,719
on uh staff's recommendation and the

2452
01:38:24,719 --> 01:38:27,679
approval criteria. Uh on July 1st after

2453
01:38:27,679 --> 01:38:29,920
the decision was issued on uh June 9th,

2454
01:38:29,920 --> 01:38:31,520
there was an appeal that was filed by

2455
01:38:31,520 --> 01:38:34,400
the applicant. Uh that uh the city

2456
01:38:34,400 --> 01:38:36,000
council hearing for the appeal was

2457
01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:38,400
originally scheduled for August 24th. Uh

2458
01:38:38,400 --> 01:38:40,480
but prior to the hearing on August 20th,

2459
01:38:40,480 --> 01:38:42,480
there was a a letter that was received

2460
01:38:42,480 --> 01:38:44,239
from the applicant or and and the

2461
01:38:44,239 --> 01:38:46,400
appellant in this case requesting that

2462
01:38:46,400 --> 01:38:48,719
the hearing be continued till tonight in

2463
01:38:48,719 --> 01:38:50,719
order to allow staff and the applicant

2464
01:38:50,719 --> 01:38:52,080
some additional time to see if there's

2465
01:38:52,080 --> 01:38:54,320
any potential way that uh conditions of

2466
01:38:54,320 --> 01:38:55,760
approval could be, you know, agreed

2467
01:38:55,760 --> 01:38:57,360
upon. that would, you know, allow the

2468
01:38:57,360 --> 01:38:58,880
comp plan zone change to be approved

2469
01:38:58,880 --> 01:39:01,119
while meeting their needs and also uh

2470
01:39:01,119 --> 01:39:02,800
trying to maintain the long-term uh

2471
01:39:02,800 --> 01:39:04,480
vision for the property is embodied by

2472
01:39:04,480 --> 01:39:06,080
the mixeduse riverfront comp plan

2473
01:39:06,080 --> 01:39:08,880
designation and the mur zoning. Uh the

2474
01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:10,159
appeal submitted by the applicant

2475
01:39:10,159 --> 01:39:11,600
contends that the planning commission

2476
01:39:11,600 --> 01:39:14,400
decision uh aired by uh incorrectly

2477
01:39:14,400 --> 01:39:16,880
evaluating the approval criteria. Their

2478
01:39:16,880 --> 01:39:18,800
position is that it does of course meet

2479
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:20,960
the the approval criteria and that the

2480
01:39:20,960 --> 01:39:22,400
planning commission decision it

2481
01:39:22,400 --> 01:39:24,239
incorrectly evaluated those and their

2482
01:39:24,239 --> 01:39:27,679
decision of denial was unwarranted.

2483
01:39:27,679 --> 01:39:29,600
So in terms of the approval criteria

2484
01:39:29,600 --> 01:39:31,600
themselves, uh there are two sets. One

2485
01:39:31,600 --> 01:39:33,199
for the comprehensive plan map amendment

2486
01:39:33,199 --> 01:39:35,040
and neighborhood plan map amendment and

2487
01:39:35,040 --> 01:39:37,760
then the other for uh the zone change,

2488
01:39:37,760 --> 01:39:39,679
uh as identified in the planning

2489
01:39:39,679 --> 01:39:42,320
commission decision and uh summarized in

2490
01:39:42,320 --> 01:39:44,320
the staff report for the council meeting

2491
01:39:44,320 --> 01:39:46,400
this evening and in staff's responses to

2492
01:39:46,400 --> 01:39:48,400
the applicant's appeal, staff still

2493
01:39:48,400 --> 01:39:50,320
feels that the application, you know,

2494
01:39:50,320 --> 01:39:51,679
doesn't meet all of the applicable

2495
01:39:51,679 --> 01:39:53,440
criteria for both the comprehensive plan

2496
01:39:53,440 --> 01:39:55,840
map amendment and zone change. Uh, one

2497
01:39:55,840 --> 01:39:58,400
of those and I'll identify the some of

2498
01:39:58,400 --> 01:39:59,920
the criteria that we feel aren't met by

2499
01:39:59,920 --> 01:40:01,280
the application in the next couple

2500
01:40:01,280 --> 01:40:02,960
slides here. But the first one is

2501
01:40:02,960 --> 01:40:04,800
whether or not it can be made a finding

2502
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:06,080
can be made that the proposed

2503
01:40:06,080 --> 01:40:08,639
designation uh both the comp plan map

2504
01:40:08,639 --> 01:40:10,400
amendment and zone are equally or better

2505
01:40:10,400 --> 01:40:11,679
suited for the property than the

2506
01:40:11,679 --> 01:40:15,280
existing MUR zoning and uh the decision

2507
01:40:15,280 --> 01:40:16,800
of the planning commission and you know

2508
01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:18,960
and staff's you know analysis of the

2509
01:40:18,960 --> 01:40:21,119
criteria does not we do not believe it

2510
01:40:21,119 --> 01:40:23,920
meets that uh because the proposed IC

2511
01:40:23,920 --> 01:40:25,840
designation for both the comp plan and

2512
01:40:25,840 --> 01:40:28,320
the zoning uh doesn't align with the

2513
01:40:28,320 --> 01:40:30,000
long-term vision for the property that

2514
01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:32,239
has that has been in place for many many

2515
01:40:32,239 --> 01:40:34,719
years since at least 1979 as the

2516
01:40:34,719 --> 01:40:36,480
property being designated river oriented

2517
01:40:36,480 --> 01:40:38,639
mixed use and and all that comes along

2518
01:40:38,639 --> 01:40:40,080
with that in terms of access to the

2519
01:40:40,080 --> 01:40:42,400
river pedestrian friendly environment

2520
01:40:42,400 --> 01:40:44,639
and uh in in a way that kind of extends

2521
01:40:44,639 --> 01:40:47,920
the the downtown to the north. Uh the IC

2522
01:40:47,920 --> 01:40:50,159
zone allows a wide variety of uses uh

2523
01:40:50,159 --> 01:40:52,000
beyond what the MUR zone currently

2524
01:40:52,000 --> 01:40:54,800
allows and there aren't uh very many

2525
01:40:54,800 --> 01:40:56,560
standards in the IC zone that would

2526
01:40:56,560 --> 01:40:58,400
ensure that the development any

2527
01:40:58,400 --> 01:41:00,159
development or future redevelopment that

2528
01:41:00,159 --> 01:41:01,440
occurred in the property would occur in

2529
01:41:01,440 --> 01:41:04,639
a manner that achieves that that vision.

2530
01:41:04,639 --> 01:41:08,000
Uh and then if we the zone change were

2531
01:41:08,000 --> 01:41:10,719
approved to IC it would allow those you

2532
01:41:10,719 --> 01:41:12,560
know uses and development standards be

2533
01:41:12,560 --> 01:41:14,480
to be locked in for years to come.

2534
01:41:14,480 --> 01:41:16,159
Whereas right now we're at a position

2535
01:41:16,159 --> 01:41:19,199
where our Salem was passed in 2022. We

2536
01:41:19,199 --> 01:41:20,639
adopted this new zoning, you know,

2537
01:41:20,639 --> 01:41:22,400
scheme for this area to recognize the

2538
01:41:22,400 --> 01:41:24,880
long-standing comp plan. And if we were

2539
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:27,520
to now change it back to IC, it would

2540
01:41:27,520 --> 01:41:29,199
essentially allow that building to be

2541
01:41:29,199 --> 01:41:32,000
used for IC uses for many years to come

2542
01:41:32,000 --> 01:41:34,239
and and not allow the property to

2543
01:41:34,239 --> 01:41:35,679
transition to like what we're seeing

2544
01:41:35,679 --> 01:41:37,920
with the redevelopment of the of the U

2545
01:41:37,920 --> 01:41:39,760
former True Brothers Canary site to the

2546
01:41:39,760 --> 01:41:42,400
south with urban style dense dense

2547
01:41:42,400 --> 01:41:45,920
mixeduse residential development. Uh and

2548
01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:48,159
then there's also a slight issue with

2549
01:41:48,159 --> 01:41:49,760
that easement that is along the west

2550
01:41:49,760 --> 01:41:51,920
side of the property. uh we have a

2551
01:41:51,920 --> 01:41:53,920
long-standing planning commission uh

2552
01:41:53,920 --> 01:41:56,880
code interpretation that access to a use

2553
01:41:56,880 --> 01:41:59,119
is uh considered a part of the use and

2554
01:41:59,119 --> 01:42:01,040
so you can't cross one zone to get to

2555
01:42:01,040 --> 01:42:03,600
another zone if the zone you're crossing

2556
01:42:03,600 --> 01:42:05,199
is not if the zone that you're trying to

2557
01:42:05,199 --> 01:42:07,040
get to isn't doesn't allow the use that

2558
01:42:07,040 --> 01:42:08,320
you're trying to cross. So long story

2559
01:42:08,320 --> 01:42:10,639
short, if the property itself were to

2560
01:42:10,639 --> 01:42:13,119
change to IC, there would still be MUR

2561
01:42:13,119 --> 01:42:14,880
zoning on that easement, you know, to

2562
01:42:14,880 --> 01:42:16,320
the west. And so therefore, there would

2563
01:42:16,320 --> 01:42:19,199
be the potential that zoning or uses

2564
01:42:19,199 --> 01:42:20,960
that would be allowed in the IC zone if

2565
01:42:20,960 --> 01:42:23,280
it were approved couldn't use the the

2566
01:42:23,280 --> 01:42:26,000
easement anymore because the zone that

2567
01:42:26,000 --> 01:42:27,760
the the use that's allowed in the IC

2568
01:42:27,760 --> 01:42:29,840
zone isn't allowed in MUR zone. And the

2569
01:42:29,840 --> 01:42:31,840
alley uh essentially it's like an alley

2570
01:42:31,840 --> 01:42:33,760
along the west there. Some of the uses

2571
01:42:33,760 --> 01:42:35,199
in the building use that for their

2572
01:42:35,199 --> 01:42:37,360
access. So, it's not an insurmountable

2573
01:42:37,360 --> 01:42:38,960
issue. They could reconfigure the

2574
01:42:38,960 --> 01:42:40,960
fencing on the site and take access to

2575
01:42:40,960 --> 01:42:42,320
the public streets to the north or

2576
01:42:42,320 --> 01:42:44,800
south, but it does create an issue where

2577
01:42:44,800 --> 01:42:46,800
uh if the zoning of the site has changed

2578
01:42:46,800 --> 01:42:49,520
to uh IC and you have this MUR zone that

2579
01:42:49,520 --> 01:42:51,600
is remaining to the west, certain uses

2580
01:42:51,600 --> 01:42:53,199
that they might want to do on that IC

2581
01:42:53,199 --> 01:42:55,119
zone property couldn't cross that

2582
01:42:55,119 --> 01:42:59,440
remaining strip of land that zoned MUR.

2583
01:42:59,440 --> 01:43:01,760
Uh, another criteria that we didn't feel

2584
01:43:01,760 --> 01:43:03,199
that was met with the application and

2585
01:43:03,199 --> 01:43:04,560
the planning commission found that it

2586
01:43:04,560 --> 01:43:06,800
didn't where the proposal has to meet

2587
01:43:06,800 --> 01:43:08,480
all the applicable goals and policies of

2588
01:43:08,480 --> 01:43:10,080
the comprehensive plan and the

2589
01:43:10,080 --> 01:43:13,040
neighborhood plan. And so uh the intent

2590
01:43:13,040 --> 01:43:14,800
of the river and mixed use designation

2591
01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:17,679
is to promote a a dense uh mix of

2592
01:43:17,679 --> 01:43:19,679
residential and commercial uses that

2593
01:43:19,679 --> 01:43:22,000
take advantage to their to the proximity

2594
01:43:22,000 --> 01:43:23,440
to the river and the scenic views that

2595
01:43:23,440 --> 01:43:26,159
it offers. Uh it is also intended to

2596
01:43:26,159 --> 01:43:27,760
promote pedestrian friendly development

2597
01:43:27,760 --> 01:43:29,360
that extends an active and envir

2598
01:43:29,360 --> 01:43:31,360
inviting uh pedestrian friendly

2599
01:43:31,360 --> 01:43:33,679
environment from the from the downtown.

2600
01:43:33,679 --> 01:43:36,080
Uh and then there's also a handful of

2601
01:43:36,080 --> 01:43:37,760
neighborhood plan policies in the grant

2602
01:43:37,760 --> 01:43:39,760
neighborhood plan uh that the proposal

2603
01:43:39,760 --> 01:43:41,360
would be you know counter to based on

2604
01:43:41,360 --> 01:43:44,080
its proximity to the river. And then the

2605
01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:46,800
final uh policy that we feel or the

2606
01:43:46,800 --> 01:43:48,320
final criteria that we feel wouldn't be

2607
01:43:48,320 --> 01:43:50,000
met by the proposal is that it doesn't

2608
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:51,679
really represent that the proposed

2609
01:43:51,679 --> 01:43:53,920
designations don't represent the the

2610
01:43:53,920 --> 01:43:56,159
logical urbanization of the land. Uh we

2611
01:43:56,159 --> 01:43:57,679
feel that the logical urbanization of

2612
01:43:57,679 --> 01:43:59,360
the land was established in our Salem

2613
01:43:59,360 --> 01:44:01,520
with the MUR zoning and which implements

2614
01:44:01,520 --> 01:44:04,639
that long-standing mixeduse uh uh river

2615
01:44:04,639 --> 01:44:06,800
and mixeduse comp plan designation. And

2616
01:44:06,800 --> 01:44:10,719
so to change it away from that to IC in

2617
01:44:10,719 --> 01:44:12,480
the comp plan and IC with the zone, it

2618
01:44:12,480 --> 01:44:14,480
would kind of be counter to that and it

2619
01:44:14,480 --> 01:44:16,000
doesn't represent the the long-term

2620
01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:17,679
vision that the city has established

2621
01:44:17,679 --> 01:44:19,679
through the through the you know several

2622
01:44:19,679 --> 01:44:22,400
year process of uh our Salem to get that

2623
01:44:22,400 --> 01:44:26,070
implemented.

2624
01:44:26,080 --> 01:44:28,080
uh in terms of other other long-term

2625
01:44:28,080 --> 01:44:29,520
envision and investment things that are

2626
01:44:29,520 --> 01:44:31,520
occurring in this area that aligns with

2627
01:44:31,520 --> 01:44:33,679
the this property being appropriate as

2628
01:44:33,679 --> 01:44:36,560
MUR and not IC include again our Salem

2629
01:44:36,560 --> 01:44:38,800
vision. It's located in a climate

2630
01:44:38,800 --> 01:44:40,480
walkable climate friendly and walkable

2631
01:44:40,480 --> 01:44:42,400
mixeduse area as required by state law

2632
01:44:42,400 --> 01:44:44,239
as you can see by the it's at the very

2633
01:44:44,239 --> 01:44:46,080
kind of north end of that area. The

2634
01:44:46,080 --> 01:44:47,760
climate friendly walkable mixeduse area

2635
01:44:47,760 --> 01:44:50,480
is the the the dark outlined area. The

2636
01:44:50,480 --> 01:44:52,239
red star is a subject property. So, it

2637
01:44:52,239 --> 01:44:53,679
is in that climate friendly, walkable,

2638
01:44:53,679 --> 01:44:55,199
mixeduse area that we're required to

2639
01:44:55,199 --> 01:44:57,920
designate uh by the state. Uh there was

2640
01:44:57,920 --> 01:45:00,800
a $2.7 million raise uh federal raise

2641
01:45:00,800 --> 01:45:03,920
grant that was approved uh for you know

2642
01:45:03,920 --> 01:45:05,840
planning and in preliminary engineering

2643
01:45:05,840 --> 01:45:08,800
design along Front Street to address the

2644
01:45:08,800 --> 01:45:10,800
railroad in relation to the traffic

2645
01:45:10,800 --> 01:45:13,600
lanes and in relation to bike bicycle

2646
01:45:13,600 --> 01:45:15,119
you infrastructure and pedestrian

2647
01:45:15,119 --> 01:45:18,000
access. So, you know, there is a lot of,

2648
01:45:18,000 --> 01:45:20,239
you know, interest and in planning and

2649
01:45:20,239 --> 01:45:22,320
study for this area to support

2650
01:45:22,320 --> 01:45:24,000
pedestrian friendly walkable mixeduse

2651
01:45:24,000 --> 01:45:25,840
environment. And then another example of

2652
01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:28,639
that is the the proposed uh uh North

2653
01:45:28,639 --> 01:45:32,480
Waterfront URA URRA that you know you're aware of and there was a public

2654
01:45:32,480 --> 01:45:35,600
hearing on a few meetings ago. Um and

2655
01:45:35,600 --> 01:45:37,360
again this is an area where we want to

2656
01:45:37,360 --> 01:45:38,880
under the urban renewal area want to try

2657
01:45:38,880 --> 01:45:41,040
to minimize blight uh promote

2658
01:45:41,040 --> 01:45:43,520
redevelopment and investment and uh

2659
01:45:43,520 --> 01:45:45,920
having zoning that would be aligned with

2660
01:45:45,920 --> 01:45:49,600
the you know the MUR zone fulfills that

2661
01:45:49,600 --> 01:45:51,520
and uh achieves those purposes of

2662
01:45:51,520 --> 01:45:53,280
promoting

2663
01:45:53,280 --> 01:45:55,280
an attractive inviting environment near

2664
01:45:55,280 --> 01:45:57,920
the river

2665
01:45:57,920 --> 01:46:00,159
and then also there is the uh sorry

2666
01:46:00,159 --> 01:46:02,800
there is the uh the massive you know uh

2667
01:46:02,800 --> 01:46:04,080
redevelopment of the true brother

2668
01:46:04,080 --> 01:46:05,360
scanner site to the south of the

2669
01:46:05,360 --> 01:46:07,760
property. If that comes to fruition, it

2670
01:46:07,760 --> 01:46:09,520
represents three six-story mixeduse

2671
01:46:09,520 --> 01:46:11,600
buildings with 382 units with ground

2672
01:46:11,600 --> 01:46:15,280
floor commercial, uh, rooftop gardens, a

2673
01:46:15,280 --> 01:46:17,360
trail along the WAMIC Greenway there.

2674
01:46:17,360 --> 01:46:19,600
And so this is the the culmination of

2675
01:46:19,600 --> 01:46:21,280
what, you know, the zoning is trying to

2676
01:46:21,280 --> 01:46:23,360
achieve, you know, for this area. And to

2677
01:46:23,360 --> 01:46:27,119
have uh IC zone come in and allow uses

2678
01:46:27,119 --> 01:46:28,400
and development standards that could be

2679
01:46:28,400 --> 01:46:30,480
contrary to that and allow that to be in

2680
01:46:30,480 --> 01:46:33,040
place for years to come, uh, could be

2681
01:46:33,040 --> 01:46:35,199
discouraging to that. um to that effort

2682
01:46:35,199 --> 01:46:37,840
and evolution over time as things

2683
01:46:37,840 --> 01:46:41,920
evolve. So uh as provided in the written

2684
01:46:41,920 --> 01:46:42,960
the additional written statement

2685
01:46:42,960 --> 01:46:44,639
provided by the applicant uh or the

2686
01:46:44,639 --> 01:46:46,719
appellent this evening uh there is there

2687
01:46:46,719 --> 01:46:48,400
is uh discussion of meetings that were

2688
01:46:48,400 --> 01:46:50,159
held between the applicant and staff and

2689
01:46:50,159 --> 01:46:51,920
as I indicated there were there have

2690
01:46:51,920 --> 01:46:53,440
been meetings both at the planning

2691
01:46:53,440 --> 01:46:54,719
commission level when the planning

2692
01:46:54,719 --> 01:46:58,000
commission directed staff uh to uh go

2693
01:46:58,000 --> 01:46:59,600
away from the first hearing and then

2694
01:46:59,600 --> 01:47:01,119
meet to find out if there's again a way

2695
01:47:01,119 --> 01:47:02,800
that we can come to consensus and try to

2696
01:47:02,800 --> 01:47:05,360
condition it to limit uses and maybe

2697
01:47:05,360 --> 01:47:06,480
establish different development

2698
01:47:06,480 --> 01:47:09,119
standards for the site that could allow

2699
01:47:09,119 --> 01:47:11,920
recommendation of approval. Uh we did

2700
01:47:11,920 --> 01:47:13,280
that and we came to the planning

2701
01:47:13,280 --> 01:47:15,040
commission at the June 9th hearing with

2702
01:47:15,040 --> 01:47:17,920
a alternative based on that uh based on

2703
01:47:17,920 --> 01:47:20,480
that the meetings we had that identified

2704
01:47:20,480 --> 01:47:22,800
uh a list of uses that could be applied

2705
01:47:22,800 --> 01:47:25,119
you know to to the property as well as

2706
01:47:25,119 --> 01:47:27,360
uh recommendation that that MUR zone

2707
01:47:27,360 --> 01:47:29,040
development standards you know could be

2708
01:47:29,040 --> 01:47:31,040
applied. That was you know that was

2709
01:47:31,040 --> 01:47:32,159
based on a recommendation of the

2710
01:47:32,159 --> 01:47:34,080
planning commission to to to see if we

2711
01:47:34,080 --> 01:47:36,239
could do that. that was done at the

2712
01:47:36,239 --> 01:47:37,600
hearing on June 9th at the planning

2713
01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:39,520
commission. Testimony was received from

2714
01:47:39,520 --> 01:47:41,520
a representative of of the Wamtt Landing

2715
01:47:41,520 --> 01:47:44,080
Apartments that expressed concern about,

2716
01:47:44,080 --> 01:47:46,560
you know, trying to condition the

2717
01:47:46,560 --> 01:47:48,800
decision in a manner uh that would allow

2718
01:47:48,800 --> 01:47:51,199
it to be approved because uh they

2719
01:47:51,199 --> 01:47:52,800
essentially felt that conditions can't

2720
01:47:52,800 --> 01:47:54,560
if if the proposal can't meet the

2721
01:47:54,560 --> 01:47:56,560
criteria on its face, then you really

2722
01:47:56,560 --> 01:47:58,000
can't condition it to an extent to meet

2723
01:47:58,000 --> 01:48:03,600
it. And so, uh, based on that, uh, the testimony were received at the

2724
01:48:03,600 --> 01:48:06,239
hearing and further consideration, uh,

2725
01:48:06,239 --> 01:48:08,320
we did have additional conversations

2726
01:48:08,320 --> 01:48:09,600
with the applicant to see if we could

2727
01:48:09,600 --> 01:48:11,520
come to an agreement, but we haven't

2728
01:48:11,520 --> 01:48:13,920
weren't able to do that. And so, uh, we

2729
01:48:13,920 --> 01:48:16,880
feel that any conditions that would need

2730
01:48:16,880 --> 01:48:18,880
to be put on the property in order to

2731
01:48:18,880 --> 01:48:20,639
both, uh, provide the applicant the

2732
01:48:20,639 --> 01:48:22,400
flexibility that they're looking for in

2733
01:48:22,400 --> 01:48:25,360
use, but then also ensure that

2734
01:48:25,360 --> 01:48:28,639
development standards are in place to

2735
01:48:28,639 --> 01:48:30,560
result in, you know, buildings being up

2736
01:48:30,560 --> 01:48:32,159
to the street, you know, you know,

2737
01:48:32,159 --> 01:48:34,239
ground ground floor windows, weather

2738
01:48:34,239 --> 01:48:36,000
protection in the form of canopies and

2739
01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:37,520
awnings, everything you want to see in a

2740
01:48:37,520 --> 01:48:38,960
pedestrian-friendly, attractive

2741
01:48:38,960 --> 01:48:41,840
district. uh we it would essentially

2742
01:48:41,840 --> 01:48:44,159
create a new zone and then it becomes a

2743
01:48:44,159 --> 01:48:46,000
question of if you have to condition the

2744
01:48:46,000 --> 01:48:49,199
zone so extensively uh to apply

2745
01:48:49,199 --> 01:48:51,520
development standards from the MUR zone

2746
01:48:51,520 --> 01:48:54,960
and to uh you know limit uses to like if

2747
01:48:54,960 --> 01:48:56,960
they were the these uses are only

2748
01:48:56,960 --> 01:48:58,400
allowed in the existing building in the

2749
01:48:58,400 --> 01:49:00,320
IC zone then any new development could

2750
01:49:00,320 --> 01:49:02,320
have you know only these uses it gets to

2751
01:49:02,320 --> 01:49:03,840
a point it's like how can you how can

2752
01:49:03,840 --> 01:49:05,760
you make a finding that the that a zone

2753
01:49:05,760 --> 01:49:07,520
change that the proposed IC zone is

2754
01:49:07,520 --> 01:49:09,360
equal or better meeting the intent of

2755
01:49:09,360 --> 01:49:11,040
the MU zone if you have to condition it

2756
01:49:11,040 --> 01:49:13,040
so extensively that it doesn't even look

2757
01:49:13,040 --> 01:49:14,639
like the IC zone that they're asking for

2758
01:49:14,639 --> 01:49:16,560
essentially. So, uh we're at the

2759
01:49:16,560 --> 01:49:18,400
position of you know because of the

2760
01:49:18,400 --> 01:49:19,600
level of conditions that would be

2761
01:49:19,600 --> 01:49:21,360
required uh we don't think we can go

2762
01:49:21,360 --> 01:49:23,280
that far and we haven't typically done

2763
01:49:23,280 --> 01:49:25,040
that with other zone changes in the

2764
01:49:25,040 --> 01:49:26,719
past.

2765
01:49:26,719 --> 01:49:28,800
Uh the MUR zone does and was

2766
01:49:28,800 --> 01:49:30,159
specifically intended to provide

2767
01:49:30,159 --> 01:49:32,880
flexibility uh for existing development

2768
01:49:32,880 --> 01:49:36,159
and existing uses. Uh it it recognizes

2769
01:49:36,159 --> 01:49:37,840
that by establishing what are called

2770
01:49:37,840 --> 01:49:39,199
continued uses and continued

2771
01:49:39,199 --> 01:49:41,520
development. Uh and then it also has as

2772
01:49:41,520 --> 01:49:43,199
mentioned standards for you know

2773
01:49:43,199 --> 01:49:44,960
minimizing building setbacks from the

2774
01:49:44,960 --> 01:49:46,960
street. Provision of minimum percentages

2775
01:49:46,960 --> 01:49:48,480
of ground flooror windows facing the

2776
01:49:48,480 --> 01:49:50,320
street to pro promote that active

2777
01:49:50,320 --> 01:49:52,639
inviting pedestrian environment. Uh

2778
01:49:52,639 --> 01:49:54,320
having entrances of buildings that face

2779
01:49:54,320 --> 01:49:55,920
the street having weather protection

2780
01:49:55,920 --> 01:49:57,760
over the sidewalks so it's an inviting

2781
01:49:57,760 --> 01:49:59,520
place to walk. and then requiring

2782
01:49:59,520 --> 01:50:01,360
parking to be to the side or to the rear

2783
01:50:01,360 --> 01:50:03,040
of buildings and not between the

2784
01:50:03,040 --> 01:50:04,560
building between the building and the

2785
01:50:04,560 --> 01:50:06,159
street. And then if you compare that to

2786
01:50:06,159 --> 01:50:09,280
the IC zone, there is really only a a

2787
01:50:09,280 --> 01:50:11,280
minimum setback of 5T from the street.

2788
01:50:11,280 --> 01:50:13,040
There are no standards for parking

2789
01:50:13,040 --> 01:50:16,080
location, no uh window requirements, no

2790
01:50:16,080 --> 01:50:19,199
uh pedestrian, you know, uh uh awnings

2791
01:50:19,199 --> 01:50:21,199
or canopy requirements. And so it just

2792
01:50:21,199 --> 01:50:23,360
doesn't, you know, achieve that same

2793
01:50:23,360 --> 01:50:25,520
level of uh urban design that's

2794
01:50:25,520 --> 01:50:28,480
envisioned in this area.

2795
01:50:28,480 --> 01:50:31,040
uh the flexibility that is offered uh in

2796
01:50:31,040 --> 01:50:33,199
the MUR zone through the continued use

2797
01:50:33,199 --> 01:50:35,840
and continued development uh uh concepts

2798
01:50:35,840 --> 01:50:37,600
that are built into the zone allow

2799
01:50:37,600 --> 01:50:40,560
existing buildings to be uh expanded,

2800
01:50:40,560 --> 01:50:43,280
enlarged or rebuilt. And the standards

2801
01:50:43,280 --> 01:50:45,520
are the standards of the zone that apply

2802
01:50:45,520 --> 01:50:47,280
are specifically tailored to the amount

2803
01:50:47,280 --> 01:50:49,040
of change you're making to the to the

2804
01:50:49,040 --> 01:50:50,800
facade of the building facing the

2805
01:50:50,800 --> 01:50:52,400
primary street. And primary street in

2806
01:50:52,400 --> 01:50:54,400
the zone means the street that's a

2807
01:50:54,400 --> 01:50:56,239
collector, an arterial or a collector.

2808
01:50:56,239 --> 01:50:58,400
In this case, it's Front Street. So, if

2809
01:50:58,400 --> 01:51:00,000
you're doing a minor alteration in

2810
01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:01,520
addition to a building affecting less

2811
01:51:01,520 --> 01:51:03,280
than 20% of the facade facing the

2812
01:51:03,280 --> 01:51:05,119
street, there's no standards that that

2813
01:51:05,119 --> 01:51:07,040
apply to that. If you're doing a major

2814
01:51:07,040 --> 01:51:09,440
alteration in addition uh that affects

2815
01:51:09,440 --> 01:51:11,520
20 to 60% of the facade facing the

2816
01:51:11,520 --> 01:51:13,199
street, you can either choose three of

2817
01:51:13,199 --> 01:51:14,960
the pedestrian oriented design standards

2818
01:51:14,960 --> 01:51:17,199
to comply with in the zone, or you can

2819
01:51:17,199 --> 01:51:19,760
just minimize your uh non-conformance

2820
01:51:19,760 --> 01:51:21,199
with the applicable standards based on

2821
01:51:21,199 --> 01:51:23,199
what you're changing on the facade. If

2822
01:51:23,199 --> 01:51:25,119
you're doing substantial alterations or

2823
01:51:25,119 --> 01:51:27,280
redevelopment, you know, over 60% of the

2824
01:51:27,280 --> 01:51:29,360
facade or totally rebuilding the site,

2825
01:51:29,360 --> 01:51:31,600
then you know, the the all the standards

2826
01:51:31,600 --> 01:51:33,119
would come into play for a full

2827
01:51:33,119 --> 01:51:34,960
rebuilding. And then if you're doing

2828
01:51:34,960 --> 01:51:37,199
just a big change to the building that's

2829
01:51:37,199 --> 01:51:40,159
over 60% of the facade, you'd have to

2830
01:51:40,159 --> 01:51:41,599
comply with all the applicable, you

2831
01:51:41,599 --> 01:51:44,239
know, standards of the zone. So there's

2832
01:51:44,239 --> 01:51:46,000
flexibility in terms of how the

2833
01:51:46,000 --> 01:51:47,679
standards apply. And then in terms of

2834
01:51:47,679 --> 01:51:49,920
the use, any use that existed in the

2835
01:51:49,920 --> 01:51:52,960
building on uh August 24th, 2022, which

2836
01:51:52,960 --> 01:51:54,639
was when the zone was applied to the

2837
01:51:54,639 --> 01:51:56,639
property, those can those can stay and

2838
01:51:56,639 --> 01:51:57,920
can continue. And unlike a

2839
01:51:57,920 --> 01:52:01,599
non-conforming use, uh the use uh in the

2840
01:52:01,599 --> 01:52:03,920
building can be expanded, altered, or

2841
01:52:03,920 --> 01:52:06,159
enlarged. If the building burns down, it

2842
01:52:06,159 --> 01:52:07,920
can be reestablished, you know, and that

2843
01:52:07,920 --> 01:52:09,520
use can still go on. A typical

2844
01:52:09,520 --> 01:52:11,440
non-conforming use is if it if it's in a

2845
01:52:11,440 --> 01:52:12,800
building that burns down, you lose your

2846
01:52:12,800 --> 01:52:15,119
non-conforming status and only the

2847
01:52:15,119 --> 01:52:17,599
allowed uses in the zone can be, you

2848
01:52:17,599 --> 01:52:19,360
know, go forward. In this case, it's a

2849
01:52:19,360 --> 01:52:22,239
continued use. The uses can stay uh and

2850
01:52:22,239 --> 01:52:24,560
the only thing that would cancel or or

2851
01:52:24,560 --> 01:52:26,639
uh disqualify the use from its continued

2852
01:52:26,639 --> 01:52:29,280
use status status is if it changes from

2853
01:52:29,280 --> 01:52:30,960
the continued use to a use that's

2854
01:52:30,960 --> 01:52:32,880
allowed in the zone. So, for instance,

2855
01:52:32,880 --> 01:52:34,560
here in the building, we have

2856
01:52:34,560 --> 01:52:36,480
essentially three continued uses based

2857
01:52:36,480 --> 01:52:38,239
on what's there today. Uh that's

2858
01:52:38,239 --> 01:52:39,599
building and ground services in

2859
01:52:39,599 --> 01:52:41,520
construction contracting, general

2860
01:52:41,520 --> 01:52:44,480
manufacturing or in industrial services.

2861
01:52:44,480 --> 01:52:46,800
So if if one of those if a if the

2862
01:52:46,800 --> 01:52:48,159
general manufacturing space in the

2863
01:52:48,159 --> 01:52:50,800
building you know changed to retail it

2864
01:52:50,800 --> 01:52:52,239
retail was a permitted use and so

2865
01:52:52,239 --> 01:52:53,440
therefore you couldn't go back to

2866
01:52:53,440 --> 01:52:55,840
general manufacturing but those uses can

2867
01:52:55,840 --> 01:52:57,599
continue. They can expand inside the

2868
01:52:57,599 --> 01:52:59,760
existing building uh you know today

2869
01:52:59,760 --> 01:53:01,840
without you know without any issue. Uh

2870
01:53:01,840 --> 01:53:03,599
so it does provide flexibility in terms

2871
01:53:03,599 --> 01:53:05,599
of allowing existing uses to continue

2872
01:53:05,599 --> 01:53:07,520
and it also allows as shown on the

2873
01:53:07,520 --> 01:53:10,880
screen new general manufacturing and new

2874
01:53:10,880 --> 01:53:12,880
general wholesaling if there are some

2875
01:53:12,880 --> 01:53:15,119
size limits. Uh you can't have more than

2876
01:53:15,119 --> 01:53:18,159
10,000 square foot of floor area or 50%

2877
01:53:18,159 --> 01:53:19,599
of the total floor area whichever is

2878
01:53:19,599 --> 01:53:21,599
greater for those uses. But it does

2879
01:53:21,599 --> 01:53:23,599
allow even for new uh general

2880
01:53:23,599 --> 01:53:26,320
manufacturing and general wholesaling um

2881
01:53:26,320 --> 01:53:30,560
outside of continued uh use.

2882
01:53:30,560 --> 01:53:32,400
Uh in terms of testimony received uh

2883
01:53:32,400 --> 01:53:33,920
both during the initial public hearing

2884
01:53:33,920 --> 01:53:35,840
at the planning commission and prior to

2885
01:53:35,840 --> 01:53:38,080
this evening's meeting uh no comments

2886
01:53:38,080 --> 01:53:38,960
were received from the grant

2887
01:53:38,960 --> 01:53:40,560
neighborhood association which is of

2888
01:53:40,560 --> 01:53:42,000
course the neighborhood association

2889
01:53:42,000 --> 01:53:44,560
properties within. Uh we did receive you

2890
01:53:44,560 --> 01:53:46,639
know comments at the planning commission

2891
01:53:46,639 --> 01:53:47,840
uh from one of the tenants of the

2892
01:53:47,840 --> 01:53:49,040
building that obviously expressed

2893
01:53:49,040 --> 01:53:51,679
support for the the change to IC. Uh

2894
01:53:51,679 --> 01:53:54,000
those uses in that building could still

2895
01:53:54,000 --> 01:53:55,840
continue and would still continue under

2896
01:53:55,840 --> 01:53:58,560
the proposed uh MUR zone. Uh but then

2897
01:53:58,560 --> 01:54:00,239
there are remaining comments expressed

2898
01:54:00,239 --> 01:54:03,040
that by mainly from the Wamtt uh landing

2899
01:54:03,040 --> 01:54:05,840
apartments to the west about uh the fact

2900
01:54:05,840 --> 01:54:07,920
that there is multif family next to this

2901
01:54:07,920 --> 01:54:10,159
property the IC zone would allow you

2902
01:54:10,159 --> 01:54:12,080
know a lot more uses that currently

2903
01:54:12,080 --> 01:54:13,599
wouldn't be allowed in the MUR zone.

2904
01:54:13,599 --> 01:54:15,440
Those uses could be incompatible in

2905
01:54:15,440 --> 01:54:17,520
terms of hours of operation noise you

2906
01:54:17,520 --> 01:54:18,639
know and all the things that would go

2907
01:54:18,639 --> 01:54:20,239
along with industrial uses next to

2908
01:54:20,239 --> 01:54:22,880
residential. And also there is concern

2909
01:54:22,880 --> 01:54:25,599
about the going from MUR back to IC

2910
01:54:25,599 --> 01:54:27,360
would be kind of going backwards on the

2911
01:54:27,360 --> 01:54:29,280
vision that was established under R

2912
01:54:29,280 --> 01:54:31,280
Salem. And you do have an item

2913
01:54:31,280 --> 01:54:32,960
additional item of testimony. There was

2914
01:54:32,960 --> 01:54:34,560
an addition from the Wamtt Landing

2915
01:54:34,560 --> 01:54:37,360
Apartments again expressing u you know

2916
01:54:37,360 --> 01:54:40,159
concern about the change and going to MU

2917
01:54:40,159 --> 01:54:42,400
uh or IC wanting it to stay MUR and

2918
01:54:42,400 --> 01:54:44,400
suggested that possibly a building such

2919
01:54:44,400 --> 01:54:46,000
as this could be a great place for like

2920
01:54:46,000 --> 01:54:48,639
a boutique uh rock climbing or indoor

2921
01:54:48,639 --> 01:54:51,040
physical fitness facility uh which there

2922
01:54:51,040 --> 01:54:52,560
isn't you know a lot aren't a lot of

2923
01:54:52,560 --> 01:54:53,840
those in you know in this area of the

2924
01:54:53,840 --> 01:54:56,159
Salem right now.

2925
01:54:56,159 --> 01:54:58,239
So based upon that uh staff would

2926
01:54:58,239 --> 01:55:00,159
recommend uh our staff feels that the

2927
01:55:00,159 --> 01:55:01,360
planning commission decision obviously

2928
01:55:01,360 --> 01:55:04,480
is based on the criteria and uh and and

2929
01:55:04,480 --> 01:55:06,480
meets the and was based on the criteria

2930
01:55:06,480 --> 01:55:08,400
and is relevant. Uh we recommend that

2931
01:55:08,400 --> 01:55:10,000
the planning uh the council adopt the

2932
01:55:10,000 --> 01:55:11,280
facts and findings of the report and

2933
01:55:11,280 --> 01:55:14,639
affirm the planning commission decision.

2934
01:55:14,639 --> 01:55:18,950
>> Thank you.

2935
01:55:18,960 --> 01:55:22,400
» Does anyone have questions of staff?

2936
01:55:22,400 --> 01:55:25,679
>> Councelor Brown here.

2937
01:55:25,679 --> 01:55:27,440
Mr. Bishop. Right.

2938
01:55:27,440 --> 01:55:28,400
>> Yep.

2939
01:55:28,400 --> 01:55:31,040
>> First off, I want to say um I I don't

2940
01:55:31,040 --> 01:55:32,080
know about the rest of the counselors,

2941
01:55:32,080 --> 01:55:34,480
but I'm just impressed with your level

2942
01:55:34,480 --> 01:55:37,920
of knowledge when it comes to planning

2943
01:55:37,920 --> 01:55:40,560
this. So, thank you. Thank you for just,

2944
01:55:40,560 --> 01:55:42,400
you know, having all that in your head

2945
01:55:42,400 --> 01:55:43,840
because it's better you to have it than

2946
01:55:43,840 --> 01:55:46,355
me.

2947
01:55:46,355 --> 01:55:51,599
[snorts] Way better. So, in a nutshell, the planning

2948
01:55:51,599 --> 01:55:53,520
commission said no and you want us to

2949
01:55:53,520 --> 01:55:56,080
say no. Correct.

2950
01:55:56,080 --> 01:55:58,719
>> In a nutshell. So, let let me go back to

2951
01:55:58,719 --> 01:56:00,880
the actual site itself. I was reading

2952
01:56:00,880 --> 01:56:02,960
some of the correspondence between you

2953
01:56:02,960 --> 01:56:05,040
and what's her name? Is it Margaret?

2954
01:56:05,040 --> 01:56:05,280
>> Yes.

2955
01:56:05,280 --> 01:56:06,960
>> You guys have become good friends.

2956
01:56:06,960 --> 01:56:09,679
>> Yeah. Margaret's Yes. [snorts]

2957
01:56:09,679 --> 01:56:12,880
>> I use that term loosely. So, so

2958
01:56:12,880 --> 01:56:14,400
>> Margaret Margaret is very great to work

2959
01:56:14,400 --> 01:56:15,040
with.

2960
01:56:15,040 --> 01:56:16,639
>> Who who works with her?

2961
01:56:16,639 --> 01:56:17,920
>> Margaret's very great. She'll be

2962
01:56:17,920 --> 01:56:18,800
presenting shortly.

2963
01:56:18,800 --> 01:56:21,119
>> Oh, okay. Got it. Got it. Thank you for

2964
01:56:21,119 --> 01:56:22,400
letting me know that. That way I don't

2965
01:56:22,400 --> 01:56:25,760
say stuff that I shouldn't say. Um,

2966
01:56:25,760 --> 01:56:28,400
what's that? Madam Mayor,

2967
01:56:28,400 --> 01:56:31,920
I've heard you now. Um, so my question

2968
01:56:31,920 --> 01:56:34,239
to you is

2969
01:56:34,239 --> 01:56:35,599
you mentioned and you showed us the

2970
01:56:35,599 --> 01:56:38,000
picture that there's still, you know,

2971
01:56:38,000 --> 01:56:40,480
the whole Canary project, but to my

2972
01:56:40,480 --> 01:56:42,239
understanding that's kind of like turned

2973
01:56:42,239 --> 01:56:44,719
on his head because we're not exactly

2974
01:56:44,719 --> 01:56:46,960
sure if that's actually going to move

2975
01:56:46,960 --> 01:56:48,639
forward. Correct.

2976
01:56:48,639 --> 01:56:50,719
>> Uh, yeah. Well, yeah, that's correct. it

2977
01:56:50,719 --> 01:56:52,320
still has land use entitlement. You

2978
01:56:52,320 --> 01:56:53,920
know, they have their WAMIC greenway

2979
01:56:53,920 --> 01:56:55,679
permit, their subdivision, their

2980
01:56:55,679 --> 01:56:57,520
adjustments and everything approved. And

2981
01:56:57,520 --> 01:57:00,639
so, it's just waiting for uh you know, a

2982
01:57:00,639 --> 01:57:02,719
person to come along and you know, have

2983
01:57:02,719 --> 01:57:04,320
that

2984
01:57:04,320 --> 01:57:05,679
and take advantage of that land use

2985
01:57:05,679 --> 01:57:07,440
approval. You know, it's still valid.

2986
01:57:07,440 --> 01:57:08,639
You know, it's still a land use

2987
01:57:08,639 --> 01:57:09,920
approval. So, there is the potential

2988
01:57:09,920 --> 01:57:12,320
still for that to to go forward. And and

2989
01:57:12,320 --> 01:57:15,599
the plan is whoever develops this plot

2990
01:57:15,599 --> 01:57:18,400
of land, this property is that it would

2991
01:57:18,400 --> 01:57:19,840
fall in sync with the vision that we

2992
01:57:19,840 --> 01:57:21,840
already have out for the Canary project,

2993
01:57:21,840 --> 01:57:22,239
right?

2994
01:57:22,239 --> 01:57:23,920
>> Yeah. Uh you mean for the subject

2995
01:57:23,920 --> 01:57:24,800
property?

2996
01:57:24,800 --> 01:57:26,560
>> Yeah, that that that would be the idea.

2997
01:57:26,560 --> 01:57:28,080
And you know, the MUR zone, as I

2998
01:57:28,080 --> 01:57:29,520
mentioned, you know, it does allow, you

2999
01:57:29,520 --> 01:57:31,360
know, again, those any existing use that

3000
01:57:31,360 --> 01:57:33,280
was established when the zone was was

3001
01:57:33,280 --> 01:57:34,800
first approved for the property that

3002
01:57:34,800 --> 01:57:36,560
they can continue. And so that includes

3003
01:57:36,560 --> 01:57:38,560
those three uses in manufacturing,

3004
01:57:38,560 --> 01:57:40,719
building and ground services and

3005
01:57:40,719 --> 01:57:42,800
industrial services. So that building,

3006
01:57:42,800 --> 01:57:44,080
you know, they could have a new, you

3007
01:57:44,080 --> 01:57:45,520
know, manufacturer come in there and

3008
01:57:45,520 --> 01:57:47,360
utilize the space in that building, you

3009
01:57:47,360 --> 01:57:49,199
know, is and if they're not proposing to

3010
01:57:49,199 --> 01:57:50,880
like make any changes to the exterior of

3011
01:57:50,880 --> 01:57:52,159
the building, which, you know, it's not

3012
01:57:52,159 --> 01:57:54,719
likely, you know, that they necessarily

3013
01:57:54,719 --> 01:57:56,960
would, there wouldn't need to be any,

3014
01:57:56,960 --> 01:57:59,440
you know, any any any issue. you know

3015
01:57:59,440 --> 01:58:00,400
even they wouldn't even need to get a

3016
01:58:00,400 --> 01:58:01,840
site plan reviewer view if it's if it's

3017
01:58:01,840 --> 01:58:03,360
going from you know one type of

3018
01:58:03,360 --> 01:58:05,199
manufacturing to another type of

3019
01:58:05,199 --> 01:58:07,280
manufacturing different user

3020
01:58:07,280 --> 01:58:09,360
>> um you know so there is that flexibility

3021
01:58:09,360 --> 01:58:11,440
and we and staff has felt that if it

3022
01:58:11,440 --> 01:58:14,400
were to change you know to IC it doesn't

3023
01:58:14,400 --> 01:58:16,480
have the standards that the MUR zone has

3024
01:58:16,480 --> 01:58:19,280
and then the uses that uh it it allows

3025
01:58:19,280 --> 01:58:20,960
uses like warehousing and distribution

3026
01:58:20,960 --> 01:58:23,360
self-service storage um you know

3027
01:58:23,360 --> 01:58:25,360
industrial services which can include

3028
01:58:25,360 --> 01:58:27,280
welding and lots of kind of impactful

3029
01:58:27,280 --> 01:58:29,920
things um you know So those would be

3030
01:58:29,920 --> 01:58:31,840
there essentially could be long-term you

3031
01:58:31,840 --> 01:58:33,040
know so if somebody wanted to come down

3032
01:58:33,040 --> 01:58:34,480
and tear that building down and then

3033
01:58:34,480 --> 01:58:36,719
come in and build many warehouses or you

3034
01:58:36,719 --> 01:58:38,320
know warehousing and distribution you

3035
01:58:38,320 --> 01:58:39,679
know that would be that could be here

3036
01:58:39,679 --> 01:58:42,800
for you know decades to come.

3037
01:58:42,800 --> 01:58:45,040
>> So so you can go from IC to MU you can

3038
01:58:45,040 --> 01:58:46,719
go back and forth

3039
01:58:46,719 --> 01:58:53,840
>> uh uh uh no the zone if uh if right now they're going from MUR to IC

3040
01:58:53,840 --> 01:58:55,520
through a zone change process. If we

3041
01:58:55,520 --> 01:58:57,599
were to go back to MUR, it would require

3042
01:58:57,599 --> 01:58:59,679
another zone change in the future

3043
01:58:59,679 --> 01:59:00,800
>> and we don't want that.

3044
01:59:00,800 --> 01:59:02,719
>> No, because you know the RCM process,

3045
01:59:02,719 --> 01:59:05,280
you know, is extensive and you know it

3046
01:59:05,280 --> 01:59:07,360
would and it matches the comp plan

3047
01:59:07,360 --> 01:59:08,560
designation that's been in place for

3048
01:59:08,560 --> 01:59:10,880
years and years and years and it aligns

3049
01:59:10,880 --> 01:59:12,800
with kind of the city's long range

3050
01:59:12,800 --> 01:59:14,560
vision and and all the different efforts

3051
01:59:14,560 --> 01:59:16,800
with the URRA, the walkable mixeduse

3052
01:59:16,800 --> 01:59:18,639
area and the other efforts that we're

3053
01:59:18,639 --> 01:59:20,400
trying to see change in this area or

3054
01:59:20,400 --> 01:59:21,679
trying to use to implement change in

3055
01:59:21,679 --> 01:59:22,159
this area.

3056
01:59:22,159 --> 01:59:24,000
>> Got it. in your opening presentation,

3057
01:59:24,000 --> 01:59:25,119
you know, you mentioned and you showed

3058
01:59:25,119 --> 01:59:27,679
us slides about um you know, the train

3059
01:59:27,679 --> 01:59:30,239
that runs through there. [clears throat]

3060
01:59:30,239 --> 01:59:32,080
>> Uh did they have any input to say about

3061
01:59:32,080 --> 01:59:33,119
this?

3062
01:59:33,119 --> 01:59:35,760
>> Uh you know, we we uh we do provide

3063
01:59:35,760 --> 01:59:37,679
notice to the rail railway all property

3064
01:59:37,679 --> 01:59:40,719
owners within, you know, 250 ft. Um you

3065
01:59:40,719 --> 01:59:42,480
know, they uh

3066
01:59:42,480 --> 01:59:44,400
>> even even on the Canary project, you

3067
01:59:44,400 --> 01:59:46,320
know, they you know, they we they're

3068
01:59:46,320 --> 01:59:47,679
engaged through a separate mechanism

3069
01:59:47,679 --> 01:59:50,000
like through a di railroad diagnostic.

3070
01:59:50,000 --> 01:59:52,080
They, you know, rarely, they did not

3071
01:59:52,080 --> 01:59:56,159
comment. We didn't get any comments and it's not and it's not uncommon to

3072
01:59:56,159 --> 01:59:58,239
not get comments from them. Yeah.

3073
01:59:58,239 --> 02:00:00,000
>> Okay. Thank you, Mr. Bishop. I have the

3074
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:01,040
floor, Madame Mayor.

3075
02:00:01,040 --> 02:00:02,800
>> Thank you, sir. Councelor Tigan.

3076
02:00:02,800 --> 02:00:04,800
>> Yeah. Thank you, Madam Mayor. Uh, Mr.

3077
02:00:04,800 --> 02:00:06,560
Bishop, thank you. I I wonder if we

3078
02:00:06,560 --> 02:00:08,480
could talk a little bit more. You sort

3079
02:00:08,480 --> 02:00:09,920
of mentioned it in passing towards the

3080
02:00:09,920 --> 02:00:12,480
end of your um towards the end of your

3081
02:00:12,480 --> 02:00:16,000
presentation, but about um time of

3082
02:00:16,000 --> 02:00:19,199
operations, noise, that sort of thing.

3083
02:00:19,199 --> 02:00:23,599
when when say um you know general

3084
02:00:23,599 --> 02:00:28,320
manufacturing is allowed in IC are there

3085
02:00:28,320 --> 02:00:32,480
limits on when an industrial application

3086
02:00:32,480 --> 02:00:34,000
could be used? So like let's say

3087
02:00:34,000 --> 02:00:37,840
someone's manufacturing dog food like um

3088
02:00:37,840 --> 02:00:40,719
could they operate 24 hours a day if

3089
02:00:40,719 --> 02:00:43,119
it's in a IC or are there limitations to

3090
02:00:43,119 --> 02:00:44,400
when they can operate?

3091
02:00:44,400 --> 02:00:45,920
>> No, we don't have limit we don't have

3092
02:00:45,920 --> 02:00:47,520
hours of operation that would

3093
02:00:47,520 --> 02:00:49,360
specifically apply. We do have a noise

3094
02:00:49,360 --> 02:00:51,040
ordinance though that limits the amount

3095
02:00:51,040 --> 02:00:52,960
of industrial noise that could be

3096
02:00:52,960 --> 02:00:54,400
generated to like noise sensitive

3097
02:00:54,400 --> 02:00:56,000
receiving which would be like churches,

3098
02:00:56,000 --> 02:00:57,440
schools, residences and things like

3099
02:00:57,440 --> 02:01:00,719
that. It's 55 during the day, 55 dBA and

3100
02:01:00,719 --> 02:01:03,440
then 50 dBA during the night. But you

3101
02:01:03,440 --> 02:01:05,440
know that you know there is no like you

3102
02:01:05,440 --> 02:01:06,800
can only operate or you can only

3103
02:01:06,800 --> 02:01:08,800
manufacture your dog food till 10:00

3104
02:01:08,800 --> 02:01:10,320
every night. There's there isn't a limit

3105
02:01:10,320 --> 02:01:10,639
like that.

3106
02:01:10,639 --> 02:01:12,000
>> I mean I shouldn't I shouldn't have said

3107
02:01:12,000 --> 02:01:13,679
dog food. I mean like

3108
02:01:13,679 --> 02:01:16,080
>> or vegan sandwiches. I don't it doesn't

3109
02:01:16,080 --> 02:01:17,360
matter. just [laughter] that I'm just

3110
02:01:17,360 --> 02:01:19,760
talking about like the you know types of

3111
02:01:19,760 --> 02:01:21,119
manufacturer

3112
02:01:21,119 --> 02:01:23,760
>> that can go on for one two or three

3113
02:01:23,760 --> 02:01:26,159
shifts that it's just sort of a a

3114
02:01:26,159 --> 02:01:28,080
constant 24 hours a day

3115
02:01:28,080 --> 02:01:29,280
>> like like would have been with can like

3116
02:01:29,280 --> 02:01:31,280
a canery site years you know

3117
02:01:31,280 --> 02:01:34,639
>> but the the mur um designation does

3118
02:01:34,639 --> 02:01:38,080
allow some um manufacturing if they

3119
02:01:38,080 --> 02:01:40,480
follow that 50% rule and the retail

3120
02:01:40,480 --> 02:01:42,400
rule. So

3121
02:01:42,400 --> 02:01:44,239
>> someone's making cutting boards and

3122
02:01:44,239 --> 02:01:45,440
they're selling them in their cutting

3123
02:01:45,440 --> 02:01:48,080
board shop. That would be one way you

3124
02:01:48,080 --> 02:01:49,599
could do it. Could they make cutting

3125
02:01:49,599 --> 02:01:51,040
boards all night long?

3126
02:01:51,040 --> 02:01:52,960
>> Yeah, [snorts] they could. Yeah, we in

3127
02:01:52,960 --> 02:01:54,639
Even in the MUR zone, we don't have an

3128
02:01:54,639 --> 02:01:56,159
hours of operation standard.

3129
02:01:56,159 --> 02:01:56,639
>> Okay.

3130
02:01:56,639 --> 02:01:57,119
>> So,

3131
02:01:57,119 --> 02:01:59,040
>> but fair enough. They have to be under

3132
02:01:59,040 --> 02:02:02,080
10,000 ft and sell it in the building.

3133
02:02:02,080 --> 02:02:02,480
>> Yeah.

3134
02:02:02,480 --> 02:02:04,880
>> Okay. Thank you. Um, that's the only

3135
02:02:04,880 --> 02:02:07,199
question I have for right now.

3136
02:02:07,199 --> 02:02:09,440
Councelor Matthews,

3137
02:02:09,440 --> 02:02:10,880
>> I'll be totally honest with you. That

3138
02:02:10,880 --> 02:02:12,159
presentation felt a little like a punch

3139
02:02:12,159 --> 02:02:13,440
in the face with that amount of

3140
02:02:13,440 --> 02:02:15,040
information. So, I'm still kind of like

3141
02:02:15,040 --> 02:02:17,440
reeling off of that. So, uh, so I'm

3142
02:02:17,440 --> 02:02:18,880
still getting my thoughts together, but

3143
02:02:18,880 --> 02:02:20,800
I do have a couple questions. Mostly to

3144
02:02:20,800 --> 02:02:22,800
make sure I just understand the history

3145
02:02:22,800 --> 02:02:24,000
a little bit better because it was just

3146
02:02:24,000 --> 02:02:26,800
a lot to take in at one time. Um, so

3147
02:02:26,800 --> 02:02:28,560
originally this was zoned IC.

3148
02:02:28,560 --> 02:02:28,880
>> Mhm.

3149
02:02:28,880 --> 02:02:31,599
>> And then through the Salem plan in 2023,

3150
02:02:31,599 --> 02:02:34,960
we reszoned it to uh MUR, right?

3151
02:02:34,960 --> 02:02:36,960
>> Yeah. 2022. Yeah. Our Salem. Y all

3152
02:02:36,960 --> 02:02:39,040
right. And so so originally it was zoned

3153
02:02:39,040 --> 02:02:41,760
IC. Now I guess my first question I know

3154
02:02:41,760 --> 02:02:43,280
that you said on I think it was June 9th

3155
02:02:43,280 --> 02:02:44,480
at the planning commission meeting you

3156
02:02:44,480 --> 02:02:46,159
guys had gone back with a proposal to

3157
02:02:46,159 --> 02:02:48,320
the planning commission to have the

3158
02:02:48,320 --> 02:02:50,000
current zoning but with some conditional

3159
02:02:50,000 --> 02:02:52,159
use allowed that things and yeah

3160
02:02:52,159 --> 02:02:54,560
>> and some neighboring properties had some

3161
02:02:54,560 --> 02:02:55,840
concern with that based on the amount of

3162
02:02:55,840 --> 02:02:57,520
conditions you'd be allowing. Y

3163
02:02:57,520 --> 02:02:59,360
>> were those conditions both agreed by the

3164
02:02:59,360 --> 02:03:01,280
city and the applicant that those would

3165
02:03:01,280 --> 02:03:03,360
have been an acceptable outcome?

3166
02:03:03,360 --> 02:03:06,080
>> I I don't know if they would. Well, I I

3167
02:03:06,080 --> 02:03:08,800
don't know. It's hard to No, I guess.

3168
02:03:08,800 --> 02:03:11,040
Yeah, it it was a good fa It was a good

3169
02:03:11,040 --> 02:03:12,880
faith effort to try to like identify,

3170
02:03:12,880 --> 02:03:14,320
you know, something as as directed by

3171
02:03:14,320 --> 02:03:15,760
the planning commission, but staff still

3172
02:03:15,760 --> 02:03:17,920
had hesitation about, you know, having

3173
02:03:17,920 --> 02:03:19,760
uses like warehousing and distribution

3174
02:03:19,760 --> 02:03:21,920
and self-service storage just being, you

3175
02:03:21,920 --> 02:03:24,080
know, permitted. you know, those were

3176
02:03:24,080 --> 02:03:26,560
identified as, you know, kept in that

3177
02:03:26,560 --> 02:03:30,880
original use list because not looking at

3178
02:03:30,880 --> 02:03:33,199
the specific uses that existed on the

3179
02:03:33,199 --> 02:03:34,960
day that the ordinance was or that the

3180
02:03:34,960 --> 02:03:36,239
zoning was applied to the property, but

3181
02:03:36,239 --> 02:03:38,800
looking at permitting history uh for the

3182
02:03:38,800 --> 02:03:40,320
property going years and years back,

3183
02:03:40,320 --> 02:03:41,599
what had been in that building in the

3184
02:03:41,599 --> 02:03:42,960
past, there was, you know, like

3185
02:03:42,960 --> 02:03:44,719
warehousing uses and things like that.

3186
02:03:44,719 --> 02:03:46,400
So, you know, we had, you know, put

3187
02:03:46,400 --> 02:03:48,159
those in there. But you know upon

3188
02:03:48,159 --> 02:03:49,920
hearing the hearing the concern you know

3189
02:03:49,920 --> 02:03:51,760
about how it would impact properties to

3190
02:03:51,760 --> 02:03:53,920
the west the residential properties and

3191
02:03:53,920 --> 02:03:55,760
then you know kind of I guess you know

3192
02:03:55,760 --> 02:03:58,239
yeah you know evolving more in terms of

3193
02:03:58,239 --> 02:03:59,760
yeah thinking well yeah that is there

3194
02:03:59,760 --> 02:04:01,280
there's an issue there that you know and

3195
02:04:01,280 --> 02:04:03,280
we don't want to see those type of uses

3196
02:04:03,280 --> 02:04:04,880
there long term and then the

3197
02:04:04,880 --> 02:04:06,639
conversation kind of evolved into later

3198
02:04:06,639 --> 02:04:08,159
after the planning commission in the

3199
02:04:08,159 --> 02:04:10,080
meetings you know that we had sub

3200
02:04:10,080 --> 02:04:11,679
subsequent to this hearing tonight or

3201
02:04:11,679 --> 02:04:13,840
prior to this hearing tonight uh could

3202
02:04:13,840 --> 02:04:15,599
you condition the zone change in a way

3203
02:04:15,599 --> 02:04:18,159
that would say only these uses are

3204
02:04:18,159 --> 02:04:20,719
allowed in the existing building and

3205
02:04:20,719 --> 02:04:23,040
then any redevelopment of the site uh

3206
02:04:23,040 --> 02:04:25,280
you would only get this you know set of

3207
02:04:25,280 --> 02:04:28,320
uses and we have never we have never

3208
02:04:28,320 --> 02:04:30,080
conditioned a zone change to to that

3209
02:04:30,080 --> 02:04:31,679
extent before it's always been like you

3210
02:04:31,679 --> 02:04:33,199
know apply some standards from another

3211
02:04:33,199 --> 02:04:35,440
zone you know sometime you know and it's

3212
02:04:35,440 --> 02:04:37,360
not common you know ideally you you just

3213
02:04:37,360 --> 02:04:38,560
want to approve a zone change and have

3214
02:04:38,560 --> 02:04:40,239
it just approved rather than having

3215
02:04:40,239 --> 02:04:41,920
these conditions that are embedded

3216
02:04:41,920 --> 02:04:44,639
because you have to you know it's if

3217
02:04:44,639 --> 02:04:46,159
you're looking to buy the property You

3218
02:04:46,159 --> 02:04:47,440
can't just look at the property zoning

3219
02:04:47,440 --> 02:04:48,960
and know what know what you can do. You

3220
02:04:48,960 --> 02:04:51,119
have to you know call staff and find out

3221
02:04:51,119 --> 02:04:52,320
if there are conditions of approval.

3222
02:04:52,320 --> 02:04:53,760
Then you have to get the document and

3223
02:04:53,760 --> 02:04:55,599
see what they are. So it's not ideal to

3224
02:04:55,599 --> 02:04:57,119
have you know conditions like that. But

3225
02:04:57,119 --> 02:04:58,800
we have it has been done in the past but

3226
02:04:58,800 --> 02:05:00,400
we felt the conditions that would be

3227
02:05:00,400 --> 02:05:02,960
necessary in this case to to meet the

3228
02:05:02,960 --> 02:05:05,520
applicant's needs and the m vision. We

3229
02:05:05,520 --> 02:05:07,760
felt that it was it it was going far it

3230
02:05:07,760 --> 02:05:09,040
was going beyond what we've ever done in

3231
02:05:09,040 --> 02:05:11,679
the past and we couldn't do it.

3232
02:05:11,679 --> 02:05:14,000
And then for I I think you answered this

3233
02:05:14,000 --> 02:05:15,840
just actually a second ago, but I I want

3234
02:05:15,840 --> 02:05:18,080
to clarify. So I know you said that the

3235
02:05:18,080 --> 02:05:19,840
they would continue to be able to use

3236
02:05:19,840 --> 02:05:21,760
the property in its current capacity in

3237
02:05:21,760 --> 02:05:24,880
the current way um in its current use so

3238
02:05:24,880 --> 02:05:27,840
long as the same and I want to clarify

3239
02:05:27,840 --> 02:05:29,679
is it business that's there or industry

3240
02:05:29,679 --> 02:05:31,199
is there? Yeah, it doesn't m if you know

3241
02:05:31,199 --> 02:05:33,599
if you're manufacturing widgets or man

3242
02:05:33,599 --> 02:05:35,760
manufacturing cameras, you know, general

3243
02:05:35,760 --> 02:05:38,480
manufacturing that's the use and so that

3244
02:05:38,480 --> 02:05:40,480
it's the it's the gender manufacturing

3245
02:05:40,480 --> 02:05:42,159
that is a continued use, not like the

3246
02:05:42,159 --> 02:05:43,599
business itself that's doing it.

3247
02:05:43,599 --> 02:05:45,119
>> Okay? And it wouldn't matter if as long

3248
02:05:45,119 --> 02:05:46,719
as there was no other use. So even if

3249
02:05:46,719 --> 02:05:48,719
the current manufacturer shut down and

3250
02:05:48,719 --> 02:05:50,239
there was a two-year gap between another

3251
02:05:50,239 --> 02:05:51,599
manufacturer going in, as long as there

3252
02:05:51,599 --> 02:05:54,239
was no business that related activities

3253
02:05:54,239 --> 02:05:54,960
that happened in the

3254
02:05:54,960 --> 02:05:56,320
>> Right. Yeah. If if it if it shut down

3255
02:05:56,320 --> 02:05:57,920
for a year and then somebody came in and

3256
02:05:57,920 --> 02:05:59,520
did a they did a change of use and they

3257
02:05:59,520 --> 02:06:01,840
did an office, then that would terminate

3258
02:06:01,840 --> 02:06:03,599
it. But if it just sat vacant, it was

3259
02:06:03,599 --> 02:06:05,520
industrial, nobody was in it for two

3260
02:06:05,520 --> 02:06:08,639
years, another manufacturer comes in,

3261
02:06:08,639 --> 02:06:10,159
yeah, there's it that's fine. They they

3262
02:06:10,159 --> 02:06:11,280
wouldn't even need a change of use

3263
02:06:11,280 --> 02:06:13,360
because it was manufacturing in the past

3264
02:06:13,360 --> 02:06:15,360
and to be manufacturing, you know, with

3265
02:06:15,360 --> 02:06:16,719
its new use.

3266
02:06:16,719 --> 02:06:18,320
>> Last question. So, you mentioned that

3267
02:06:18,320 --> 02:06:19,920
Wamut Landing apartments were the ones

3268
02:06:19,920 --> 02:06:22,719
that had the biggest concern and so I

3269
02:06:22,719 --> 02:06:24,000
looked it It looks like they were built

3270
02:06:24,000 --> 02:06:26,080
in 1991 and so this would have been

3271
02:06:26,080 --> 02:06:29,040
zoned uh IC during that time and all the

3272
02:06:29,040 --> 02:06:30,960
way up until 2022. So did we have a

3273
02:06:30,960 --> 02:06:32,880
whole bunch of complaints from residents

3274
02:06:32,880 --> 02:06:34,880
around or from them that they had a

3275
02:06:34,880 --> 02:06:36,079
issues with noise at late?

3276
02:06:36,079 --> 02:06:37,760
>> Not to my not to my not not to my

3277
02:06:37,760 --> 02:06:39,360
knowledge that there has been any you

3278
02:06:39,360 --> 02:06:41,440
know we haven't had a lot of complaints

3279
02:06:41,440 --> 02:06:42,560
about that. I don't believe.

3280
02:06:42,560 --> 02:06:44,079
>> Okay. But but I will say though, you

3281
02:06:44,079 --> 02:06:45,199
know, the comp plan is, you know, the

3282
02:06:45,199 --> 02:06:47,599
comp plan's been MU MUR for a long time

3283
02:06:47,599 --> 02:06:49,679
and the zoning was IC for a long time

3284
02:06:49,679 --> 02:06:52,000
until uh until R Salem, but we just

3285
02:06:52,000 --> 02:06:53,920
changed the zoning to match the comp

3286
02:06:53,920 --> 02:06:54,480
plan.

3287
02:06:54,480 --> 02:06:55,920
>> Okay. Okay. Thank you.

3288
02:06:55,920 --> 02:06:57,440
>> So there is a dis there is a disconnect

3289
02:06:57,440 --> 02:06:59,679
for many years between the two.

3290
02:06:59,679 --> 02:07:02,320
Councelor Quinn.

3291
02:07:02,320 --> 02:07:06,320
>> So I'm trying to understand um I'm

3292
02:07:06,320 --> 02:07:08,560
looking at your design. It was

3293
02:07:08,560 --> 02:07:11,119
designated river oriented mixed use

3294
02:07:11,119 --> 02:07:13,920
clear back in 1979, right?

3295
02:07:13,920 --> 02:07:16,960
>> No change for R Salem. Yet it says that

3296
02:07:16,960 --> 02:07:21,440
it's IC. So if it was [snorts] zoned icy

3297
02:07:21,440 --> 02:07:25,119
then but within that

3298
02:07:25,119 --> 02:07:28,320
river oriented mixed use

3299
02:07:28,320 --> 02:07:28,960
area.

3300
02:07:28,960 --> 02:07:30,639
>> Yeah.

3301
02:07:30,639 --> 02:07:32,159
>> According to the neighborhood plan

3302
02:07:32,159 --> 02:07:36,790
adopted by city council in 1983.

3303
02:07:36,800 --> 02:07:39,920
How would that affect

3304
02:07:39,920 --> 02:07:41,840
the uses?

3305
02:07:41,840 --> 02:07:44,079
>> Well that's a comp plan zone conflict

3306
02:07:44,079 --> 02:07:45,679
you know. So when you have an MUR

3307
02:07:45,679 --> 02:07:48,719
designation and a uh and an IC zone,

3308
02:07:48,719 --> 02:07:51,440
yeah, those are um yeah, generally the

3309
02:07:51,440 --> 02:07:53,040
comp plan and the zoning need to be lock

3310
02:07:53,040 --> 02:07:55,280
step like single family residential

3311
02:07:55,280 --> 02:07:56,880
implements single family residential

3312
02:07:56,880 --> 02:07:58,719
zoning. RS and residential agriculture

3313
02:07:58,719 --> 02:08:00,880
zoning some earth multif family in this

3314
02:08:00,880 --> 02:08:03,040
case I guess we might have looked at it

3315
02:08:03,040 --> 02:08:04,880
as the river oriented mixed use

3316
02:08:04,880 --> 02:08:07,040
designation might have been more of a

3317
02:08:07,040 --> 02:08:09,119
you know a zone that implemented or a

3318
02:08:09,119 --> 02:08:10,480
comp plan designation that imp

3319
02:08:10,480 --> 02:08:13,040
implemented maybe more than just a you

3320
02:08:13,040 --> 02:08:15,440
know because before our Salem we didn't

3321
02:08:15,440 --> 02:08:18,239
have an MUR zone mixed us superfront

3322
02:08:18,239 --> 02:08:20,800
zone we had of course CB central

3323
02:08:20,800 --> 02:08:22,880
business district we had and in this

3324
02:08:22,880 --> 02:08:24,719
area we had you know commercial office

3325
02:08:24,719 --> 02:08:27,360
in a lot of places uh And then there was

3326
02:08:27,360 --> 02:08:29,679
RH multif family high-rise residential.

3327
02:08:29,679 --> 02:08:31,360
And then there was also an o overlay

3328
02:08:31,360 --> 02:08:32,960
zone that we had. We had the riverfront

3329
02:08:32,960 --> 02:08:34,719
high density residential overlay zone

3330
02:08:34,719 --> 02:08:37,119
and the and the mixeduse overlay zone uh

3331
02:08:37,119 --> 02:08:39,840
that applied in this area. So because of

3332
02:08:39,840 --> 02:08:42,079
the the base zoning with an overlay

3333
02:08:42,079 --> 02:08:44,880
zone, you know, we we probably looked at

3334
02:08:44,880 --> 02:08:46,320
it like it was fine. It was close enough

3335
02:08:46,320 --> 02:08:48,960
to implement the the ROM designation,

3336
02:08:48,960 --> 02:08:50,719
but when we did our Salem, this is, you

3337
02:08:50,719 --> 02:08:52,320
know, we're cleaning it up. you know, we

3338
02:08:52,320 --> 02:08:55,119
see all these desperate zones that are

3339
02:08:55,119 --> 02:08:58,560
designated ROM on the comp plan. We

3340
02:08:58,560 --> 02:09:00,159
needed we wanted to create a you know

3341
02:09:00,159 --> 02:09:02,560
one you know a simpler zone rather than

3342
02:09:02,560 --> 02:09:04,320
having you know several or a couple

3343
02:09:04,320 --> 02:09:06,639
different overlay zones and this and

3344
02:09:06,639 --> 02:09:08,079
have an overlay zone or a zone that was

3345
02:09:08,079 --> 02:09:10,639
specifically intended to achieve what

3346
02:09:10,639 --> 02:09:13,360
the MUR designation is in trying to do

3347
02:09:13,360 --> 02:09:15,040
in terms of pedestrian friendly access

3348
02:09:15,040 --> 02:09:17,520
to river and so you know so I guess it

3349
02:09:17,520 --> 02:09:19,840
was it was a conflict you know potenti

3350
02:09:19,840 --> 02:09:22,079
it was a conflict between the two but it

3351
02:09:22,079 --> 02:09:24,480
was one that u it wasn't as glaring as

3352
02:09:24,480 --> 02:09:25,920
if you had a property that was zoned

3353
02:09:25,920 --> 02:09:27,520
commercial retail for instance and it

3354
02:09:27,520 --> 02:09:29,280
was designated multif family on the comp

3355
02:09:29,280 --> 02:09:31,280
plan. It was a less of a glaring

3356
02:09:31,280 --> 02:09:34,320
conflict, you know, because the perhaps

3357
02:09:34,320 --> 02:09:35,599
the ambiguity that might have been

3358
02:09:35,599 --> 02:09:37,280
associated with the zones that implement

3359
02:09:37,280 --> 02:09:40,239
the ROM designation.

3360
02:09:40,239 --> 02:09:41,360
I don't know. I don't know if that

3361
02:09:41,360 --> 02:09:43,360
helps.

3362
02:09:43,360 --> 02:09:46,000
>> Go ahead. So, I have another question,

3363
02:09:46,000 --> 02:09:47,920
but it's not related to that. So, the

3364
02:09:47,920 --> 02:09:49,840
grassy field to [clears throat] the

3365
02:09:49,840 --> 02:09:53,199
south of that, that's part of the Truent

3366
02:09:53,199 --> 02:09:55,599
Brothers property. The

3367
02:09:55,599 --> 02:09:56,719
>> Yep. Correct.

3368
02:09:56,719 --> 02:09:57,760
>> And

3369
02:09:57,760 --> 02:10:00,480
South of that there's a building. Is

3370
02:10:00,480 --> 02:10:04,000
that part of that Truit Brothers

3371
02:10:04,000 --> 02:10:05,840
property as well or

3372
02:10:05,840 --> 02:10:07,599
>> all you know from the grassy field all

3373
02:10:07,599 --> 02:10:09,280
the way down to the Mil Creek? That's

3374
02:10:09,280 --> 02:10:10,719
the True Brothers.

3375
02:10:10,719 --> 02:10:15,119
>> All of that will be hopefully

3376
02:10:15,119 --> 02:10:16,159
>> that beautiful.

3377
02:10:16,159 --> 02:10:18,079
>> I have another slide here. Let me go

3378
02:10:18,079 --> 02:10:19,199
back to that

3379
02:10:19,199 --> 02:10:21,599
>> kind of shows that

3380
02:10:21,599 --> 02:10:23,280
>> so the grassy field if you look at the

3381
02:10:23,280 --> 02:10:25,040
slide on the screen the three buildings

3382
02:10:25,040 --> 02:10:26,639
those are the s those are the southern

3383
02:10:26,639 --> 02:10:28,800
twothirds of the site the northern third

3384
02:10:28,800 --> 02:10:30,800
is kind of the grassy field and there's

3385
02:10:30,800 --> 02:10:32,800
like a parking lot so you know that the

3386
02:10:32,800 --> 02:10:34,320
mixeduse development doesn't take up the

3387
02:10:34,320 --> 02:10:36,800
whole uh true brothers property

3388
02:10:36,800 --> 02:10:42,950
>> perfect thank you councelor Matthews

3389
02:10:42,960 --> 02:10:46,719
» so so generally speaking um

3390
02:10:46,719 --> 02:10:49,440
does an zone or does the MUR zone have

3391
02:10:49,440 --> 02:10:50,960
more value? So, like when we're looking

3392
02:10:50,960 --> 02:10:52,800
at the actual assessed value of these

3393
02:10:52,800 --> 02:10:55,040
properties and the change that you know

3394
02:10:55,040 --> 02:10:57,440
ultimately we created with from Salem's

3395
02:10:57,440 --> 02:11:01,599
plan, um did we devalue a property here

3396
02:11:01,599 --> 02:11:03,760
a little bit or did we increase the

3397
02:11:03,760 --> 02:11:06,400
value? Well, I'm not a property

3398
02:11:06,400 --> 02:11:08,239
appraiser, you know, but when I guess if

3399
02:11:08,239 --> 02:11:10,159
you're just looking at I can speak to

3400
02:11:10,159 --> 02:11:11,920
land use, okay, you look at the two

3401
02:11:11,920 --> 02:11:14,480
zones, our MU zone allows, you know,

3402
02:11:14,480 --> 02:11:16,639
fewer zone fewer uses than the IC zone

3403
02:11:16,639 --> 02:11:17,599
does.

3404
02:11:17,599 --> 02:11:23,830
>> Okay.

3405
02:11:23,840 --> 02:11:26,079
» Councelor Brown.

3406
02:11:26,079 --> 02:11:28,880
>> Thanks, Madam Mayor. M Mr. Bishop. So, I

3407
02:11:28,880 --> 02:11:31,280
need some help, please,

3408
02:11:31,280 --> 02:11:32,880
about a lot of things, but we're going

3409
02:11:32,880 --> 02:11:36,079
to stick to this and stay on task. Um,

3410
02:11:36,079 --> 02:11:37,920
I'm trying to reconcile something that's

3411
02:11:37,920 --> 02:11:41,119
in the notes, and I'm referring to u the

3412
02:11:41,119 --> 02:11:44,639
conversation that you are having with

3413
02:11:44,639 --> 02:11:47,599
Margaret and there are two things I want

3414
02:11:47,599 --> 02:11:50,560
to read if that's okay with you. So, one

3415
02:11:50,560 --> 02:11:52,159
of the things that she says in her

3416
02:11:52,159 --> 02:11:55,440
conclusion, the applicant hopes the city

3417
02:11:55,440 --> 02:11:57,360
council will correct the planning

3418
02:11:57,360 --> 02:12:00,800
commission's errors and find a practical

3419
02:12:00,800 --> 02:12:04,800
solution dot dot dot dot. And then she

3420
02:12:04,800 --> 02:12:06,639
also says, "These attempts at a

3421
02:12:06,639 --> 02:12:09,440
compromise include offers." Well, you

3422
02:12:09,440 --> 02:12:12,719
know, let me hold off on that. Um,

3423
02:12:12,719 --> 02:12:15,440
the mistakes of the planning commission.

3424
02:12:15,440 --> 02:12:17,679
Can you enlighten us a little bit more

3425
02:12:17,679 --> 02:12:19,760
on what mistakes that she's referring

3426
02:12:19,760 --> 02:12:20,320
to?

3427
02:12:20,320 --> 02:12:22,239
>> Well, if you look Yeah. So, if you look

3428
02:12:22,239 --> 02:12:24,159
at the uh plan the applicants or

3429
02:12:24,159 --> 02:12:27,440
appellants uh statement from uh the

3430
02:12:27,440 --> 02:12:29,520
original appeal statement,

3431
02:12:29,520 --> 02:12:31,199
>> uh the errors that they assigned to the

3432
02:12:31,199 --> 02:12:33,199
planning commission's findings uh

3433
02:12:33,199 --> 02:12:35,840
include uh in terms of like analyzing

3434
02:12:35,840 --> 02:12:38,239
the property in terms of whether the new

3435
02:12:38,239 --> 02:12:39,520
zone is equal or better than the

3436
02:12:39,520 --> 02:12:42,800
existing zone. uh they they focus on you

3437
02:12:42,800 --> 02:12:44,400
know the planning commission and staff

3438
02:12:44,400 --> 02:12:47,040
you know improperly essentially uh you

3439
02:12:47,040 --> 02:12:49,440
know didn't consider or didn't evaluate

3440
02:12:49,440 --> 02:12:51,199
the building as it sits today on the

3441
02:12:51,199 --> 02:12:53,520
ground you know a industrial warehouse

3442
02:12:53,520 --> 02:12:55,920
building next to a railroad line with a

3443
02:12:55,920 --> 02:12:57,679
railroad spur you know that goes next to

3444
02:12:57,679 --> 02:12:59,040
it and

3445
02:12:59,040 --> 02:13:01,199
>> is that a mistake though

3446
02:13:01,199 --> 02:13:03,520
>> uh no staff's you know staff's position

3447
02:13:03,520 --> 02:13:05,280
was when you look at the criteria you

3448
02:13:05,280 --> 02:13:06,960
know is you know is the zone and

3449
02:13:06,960 --> 02:13:08,239
designation are they equal or better

3450
02:13:08,239 --> 02:13:09,920
suited does it result in a logical

3451
02:13:09,920 --> 02:13:11,920
urbanization of the land. We don't feel

3452
02:13:11,920 --> 02:13:14,400
that, you know, the IC zone meets those

3453
02:13:14,400 --> 02:13:15,840
criteria. We feel that the logical

3454
02:13:15,840 --> 02:13:18,480
urbanization of the land is the the MUR

3455
02:13:18,480 --> 02:13:20,800
zone because it's based on the work that

3456
02:13:20,800 --> 02:13:22,159
was done on our Salem and all the other

3457
02:13:22,159 --> 02:13:23,280
things that are going on with the

3458
02:13:23,280 --> 02:13:25,199
investments from the raise grant and the

3459
02:13:25,199 --> 02:13:26,880
new water urban renewal area. All these

3460
02:13:26,880 --> 02:13:29,199
things going are going together to like

3461
02:13:29,199 --> 02:13:30,800
try to promote change in this area

3462
02:13:30,800 --> 02:13:32,560
towards this vision. you know, the

3463
02:13:32,560 --> 02:13:34,159
property north of the downtown next to

3464
02:13:34,159 --> 02:13:35,920
the river, you know, you know,

3465
02:13:35,920 --> 02:13:37,199
attractive pedestrian friendly

3466
02:13:37,199 --> 02:13:39,199
environment, paths along the river, you

3467
02:13:39,199 --> 02:13:41,440
know, the waterfront and all of that. Uh

3468
02:13:41,440 --> 02:13:43,199
but you know yeah a lot of their

3469
02:13:43,199 --> 02:13:44,400
argument you know in terms of the

3470
02:13:44,400 --> 02:13:46,239
planning commission decision was it was

3471
02:13:46,239 --> 02:13:48,800
looking too much at like future vision

3472
02:13:48,800 --> 02:13:50,960
you know and and and and what this what

3473
02:13:50,960 --> 02:13:52,480
the city wants to you know achieve in

3474
02:13:52,480 --> 02:13:54,719
this area as opposed to the on the

3475
02:13:54,719 --> 02:13:56,320
ground realities of hey we have this

3476
02:13:56,320 --> 02:13:58,560
industrial building is again an extra

3477
02:13:58,560 --> 02:14:01,199
railroad spur uh you know and this MUR

3478
02:14:01,199 --> 02:14:02,159
zone really doesn't

3479
02:14:02,159 --> 02:14:04,800
>> and and that's this is my final question

3480
02:14:04,800 --> 02:14:06,112
just just for clarity hopefully

3481
02:14:06,112 --> 02:14:07,520
[clears throat] it's my final question

3482
02:14:07,520 --> 02:14:09,119
but see is that is that part that you

3483
02:14:09,119 --> 02:14:12,400
said you said that they

3484
02:14:12,400 --> 02:14:14,000
that there was some mistake in their

3485
02:14:14,000 --> 02:14:16,239
future planning, how they saw it, how

3486
02:14:16,239 --> 02:14:17,520
it's going to be.

3487
02:14:17,520 --> 02:14:21,520
>> Well, they they they felt that that the staff and the planning commission

3488
02:14:21,520 --> 02:14:24,400
incorrectly focused on future

3489
02:14:24,400 --> 02:14:26,000
>> and they shouldn't. That's what they're

3490
02:14:26,000 --> 02:14:27,040
>> Yeah. They're saying that it should, you

3491
02:14:27,040 --> 02:14:28,480
know, in order to to meet the criteria,

3492
02:14:28,480 --> 02:14:30,960
it's based on an analysis of how the

3493
02:14:30,960 --> 02:14:32,800
zone how the proposed zone relates to

3494
02:14:32,800 --> 02:14:34,960
the building as it sits today,

3495
02:14:34,960 --> 02:14:38,480
>> not in terms of like, you know, what the long-term vision for the property

3496
02:14:38,480 --> 02:14:40,159
is. Have we been in a situation like

3497
02:14:40,159 --> 02:14:43,679
this before in the city?

3498
02:14:43,679 --> 02:14:46,000
>> Uh, you know, I guess anytime where

3499
02:14:46,000 --> 02:14:47,360
there's a, you know, there's a

3500
02:14:47,360 --> 02:14:48,880
>> one this big though.

3501
02:14:48,880 --> 02:14:51,679
>> Uh, uh, there there's there's there's

3502
02:14:51,679 --> 02:14:53,119
situations in the past where, you know,

3503
02:14:53,119 --> 02:14:54,079
planning, you know, where there's a

3504
02:14:54,079 --> 02:14:56,159
hearing body that makes a a decision

3505
02:14:56,159 --> 02:14:58,639
that it gets appealed and there's a a

3506
02:14:58,639 --> 02:15:00,320
disagreement between the applicant and

3507
02:15:00,320 --> 02:15:00,960
staff.

3508
02:15:00,960 --> 02:15:02,719
>> So, is it more of a disagreement or did

3509
02:15:02,719 --> 02:15:04,159
we really make some mistakes?

3510
02:15:04,159 --> 02:15:06,079
>> No. St. You know, we you know, our

3511
02:15:06,079 --> 02:15:07,599
decision our our findings is that the

3512
02:15:07,599 --> 02:15:08,880
planning commission decision is

3513
02:15:08,880 --> 02:15:10,400
relevant. It meets the criteria. You

3514
02:15:10,400 --> 02:15:13,040
know, there our our our decision was

3515
02:15:13,040 --> 02:15:15,040
based on was a correct analysis of the

3516
02:15:15,040 --> 02:15:16,480
criteria and there wasn't a mistake in

3517
02:15:16,480 --> 02:15:18,159
the application of the criteria.

3518
02:15:18,159 --> 02:15:20,079
>> Okay. You have the floor, Madame Mayor.

3519
02:15:20,079 --> 02:15:21,199
>> Councelor Tigan.

3520
02:15:21,199 --> 02:15:22,560
>> Thank you, Madam Mayor. I think I just

3521
02:15:22,560 --> 02:15:25,920
want to follow up on this specifically.

3522
02:15:25,920 --> 02:15:29,199
So, and maybe building on Dr. Brown's

3523
02:15:29,199 --> 02:15:32,960
question. Um,

3524
02:15:32,960 --> 02:15:36,159
is the error that's contended by the

3525
02:15:36,159 --> 02:15:40,719
applicant a matter of subjective opinion

3526
02:15:40,719 --> 02:15:43,280
that it meets the criteria and

3527
02:15:43,280 --> 02:15:44,960
reasonable people can disagree about

3528
02:15:44,960 --> 02:15:50,000
that or is the error uh an objective

3529
02:15:50,000 --> 02:15:52,560
fact that the planning commission

3530
02:15:52,560 --> 02:15:54,880
somehow missed and has tainted their

3531
02:15:54,880 --> 02:15:55,360
decision?

3532
02:15:55,360 --> 02:15:57,360
>> No, it's the latter. It's it's you know

3533
02:15:57,360 --> 02:16:00,400
this is a you know uh land use decision.

3534
02:16:00,400 --> 02:16:02,239
It involves policy and legal judgment

3535
02:16:02,239 --> 02:16:05,840
and application of criteria and so um

3536
02:16:05,840 --> 02:16:08,159
yeah it's not it's not an objective you

3537
02:16:08,159 --> 02:16:11,040
know failing. It's it's of it's it's a

3538
02:16:11,040 --> 02:16:13,840
question of I guess application of the

3539
02:16:13,840 --> 02:16:14,639
criteria.

3540
02:16:14,639 --> 02:16:16,079
>> Okay. So subjective.

3541
02:16:16,079 --> 02:16:16,560
>> Yeah. Right.

3542
02:16:16,560 --> 02:16:20,069
>> Okay. Thank you.

3543
02:16:20,079 --> 02:16:21,679
» Councelor Brown.

3544
02:16:21,679 --> 02:16:24,320
>> Subjective. Yes. So, I'm going to read

3545
02:16:24,320 --> 02:16:26,960
to you this statement, and I need you to

3546
02:16:26,960 --> 02:16:29,440
just connect the dots for me, please.

3547
02:16:29,440 --> 02:16:31,920
These attempts at compromise include

3548
02:16:31,920 --> 02:16:34,399
offers to voluntarily limit the

3549
02:16:34,399 --> 02:16:37,359
activities typically allowed within the

3550
02:16:37,359 --> 02:16:40,880
IC zone to ensure consistency with

3551
02:16:40,880 --> 02:16:44,399
future MUR developments in the vicinity.

3552
02:16:44,399 --> 02:16:48,629
So, so that particular statement

3553
02:16:48,639 --> 02:16:51,359
if you're going to do something

3554
02:16:51,359 --> 02:16:54,880
shall we say willfully and in this

3555
02:16:54,880 --> 02:16:58,000
situation I'm trying to track how the

3556
02:16:58,000 --> 02:17:00,399
planners who who who have denied this

3557
02:17:00,399 --> 02:17:03,120
request basically I'm trying to connect

3558
02:17:03,120 --> 02:17:05,920
the dots with

3559
02:17:05,920 --> 02:17:08,240
there's an attempt to have a compromise

3560
02:17:08,240 --> 02:17:11,120
but it doesn't look like there's more of

3561
02:17:11,120 --> 02:17:14,319
a give in from the city. It looks like

3562
02:17:14,319 --> 02:17:16,080
the applicant is trying to meet us

3563
02:17:16,080 --> 02:17:18,319
halfway, but we have drawn a line in the

3564
02:17:18,319 --> 02:17:20,800
sand that we're not going to cross over.

3565
02:17:20,800 --> 02:17:22,240
>> And the reason, you know, the reason

3566
02:17:22,240 --> 02:17:25,040
we've I think come to that point is that

3567
02:17:25,040 --> 02:17:27,679
the con the level of conditioning the

3568
02:17:27,679 --> 02:17:30,240
zone change to because essentially, you

3569
02:17:30,240 --> 02:17:32,800
know, the base question is I want to go

3570
02:17:32,800 --> 02:17:34,639
from this zone to another zone.

3571
02:17:34,639 --> 02:17:37,280
>> Is this new zone is it better for the

3572
02:17:37,280 --> 02:17:38,800
property than the than the existing

3573
02:17:38,800 --> 02:17:40,800
zone? And so if in order to get to from

3574
02:17:40,800 --> 02:17:42,800
A to B, we have to condition it such

3575
02:17:42,800 --> 02:17:45,679
that you don't get the uses well you

3576
02:17:45,679 --> 02:17:47,200
don't get all the uses in the in the

3577
02:17:47,200 --> 02:17:50,240
proposed zone. You also the development

3578
02:17:50,240 --> 02:17:51,920
standards of the proposed zone. You

3579
02:17:51,920 --> 02:17:53,519
don't get those. You're going to have to

3580
02:17:53,519 --> 02:17:56,319
go with the MUR zone. You it becomes a

3581
02:17:56,319 --> 02:17:58,319
point it's a question of like how can

3582
02:17:58,319 --> 02:18:01,040
you approve zone change you know because

3583
02:18:01,040 --> 02:18:03,120
it's like it's not even IC zone anymore.

3584
02:18:03,120 --> 02:18:04,639
It's like a totally different zone.

3585
02:18:04,639 --> 02:18:07,679
>> Right. Okay. You the floor madam mayor.

3586
02:18:07,679 --> 02:18:10,639
>> Thank you Mr. Bishop.

3587
02:18:10,639 --> 02:18:12,719
>> Councelor Brown, please continue. Just

3588
02:18:12,719 --> 02:18:14,000
kidding. [laughter]

3589
02:18:14,000 --> 02:18:14,399
>> Okay,

3590
02:18:14,399 --> 02:18:16,000
>> Mr. No, I'm joking.

3591
02:18:16,000 --> 02:18:17,840
>> Um, [snorts] anyone else questions for

3592
02:18:17,840 --> 02:18:20,319
staff at this point?

3593
02:18:20,319 --> 02:18:22,960
Okay, then we will move on. Um, we do

3594
02:18:22,960 --> 02:18:26,559
have the [clears throat] appellent

3595
02:18:26,559 --> 02:18:32,000
applicant Lauren Bulman

3596
02:18:32,000 --> 02:18:38,309
>> and Margaret Gandervo.

3597
02:18:38,319 --> 02:18:39,920
Good evening. My name is Margaret

3598
02:18:39,920 --> 02:18:41,840
Gandervo. I'm the attorney for the

3599
02:18:41,840 --> 02:18:43,599
applicant. I'll be speaking on his

3600
02:18:43,599 --> 02:18:45,359
behalf this evening unless you have

3601
02:18:45,359 --> 02:18:47,840
particular factual questions about the

3602
02:18:47,840 --> 02:18:50,319
history of the property or kind of the

3603
02:18:50,319 --> 02:18:53,359
current uses. Um my address for notice

3604
02:18:53,359 --> 02:18:56,399
purposes is 250 Church Street, Sweet 200

3605
02:18:56,399 --> 02:18:59,599
Salem, Oregon 97301.

3606
02:18:59,599 --> 02:19:01,840
Um the owner of the property is the

3607
02:19:01,840 --> 02:19:07,040
Eleanor M. Bokeman Trust, which is

3608
02:19:07,040 --> 02:19:09,040
Lauren is the trustee of that trust. And

3609
02:19:09,040 --> 02:19:11,599
so we just want to emphasize due to some

3610
02:19:11,599 --> 02:19:14,000
comments earlier that this is a local

3611
02:19:14,000 --> 02:19:18,240
Salem family who is committed to the the

3612
02:19:18,240 --> 02:19:20,160
community who's owned this property for

3613
02:19:20,160 --> 02:19:23,920
27 years under the pre-existing zoning,

3614
02:19:23,920 --> 02:19:27,200
the current zoning, and moving forward.

3615
02:19:27,200 --> 02:19:30,080
This is an application that is focused

3616
02:19:30,080 --> 02:19:34,080
on building a productive business and

3617
02:19:34,080 --> 02:19:36,639
maintaining property value and an

3618
02:19:36,639 --> 02:19:39,840
ongoing investment in the community.

3619
02:19:39,840 --> 02:19:41,920
The applicant has approached this

3620
02:19:41,920 --> 02:19:44,240
application and engaged in the land use

3621
02:19:44,240 --> 02:19:46,800
process as a totality from a

3622
02:19:46,800 --> 02:19:48,880
collaborative posture. We've come to

3623
02:19:48,880 --> 02:19:51,439
staff numerous times. We've reached out

3624
02:19:51,439 --> 02:19:54,000
to neighboring property owners. Our

3625
02:19:54,000 --> 02:19:56,240
focus is finding a path forward that

3626
02:19:56,240 --> 02:19:59,040
leaves space for the city's vision for

3627
02:19:59,040 --> 02:20:01,200
the future of this area while also

3628
02:20:01,200 --> 02:20:04,960
balancing pretty strident economic

3629
02:20:04,960 --> 02:20:07,920
realities that have led to a lack of

3630
02:20:07,920 --> 02:20:10,319
development in the area coupled with

3631
02:20:10,319 --> 02:20:12,479
challenging economic outlooks for

3632
02:20:12,479 --> 02:20:15,840
businesses in all sectors. Over the past

3633
02:20:15,840 --> 02:20:19,120
few years, the applicant has spent time

3634
02:20:19,120 --> 02:20:21,920
marketing the property, trying to get

3635
02:20:21,920 --> 02:20:25,040
other tenants to fill in existing

3636
02:20:25,040 --> 02:20:27,280
vacancies within the property. And over

3637
02:20:27,280 --> 02:20:29,280
the past 3 years since the change in

3638
02:20:29,280 --> 02:20:32,800
zoning, we've had one offer. And because

3639
02:20:32,800 --> 02:20:37,280
of the continuing use kind of dynamic

3640
02:20:37,280 --> 02:20:39,680
within the code, that offer was

3641
02:20:39,680 --> 02:20:43,120
withdrawn without any meaningful ability

3642
02:20:43,120 --> 02:20:46,000
to fill that vacant space. So, while we

3643
02:20:46,000 --> 02:20:48,479
appreciate that staff's position is that

3644
02:20:48,479 --> 02:20:50,960
there is flexibility, the practicality

3645
02:20:50,960 --> 02:20:53,600
of that flexibility, when you are faced

3646
02:20:53,600 --> 02:20:56,160
with a tenant who's trying to figure out

3647
02:20:56,160 --> 02:20:58,560
whether or not they can move into this

3648
02:20:58,560 --> 02:21:01,280
space and occupy it with the purpose

3649
02:21:01,280 --> 02:21:03,760
that they're intending is not as clear

3650
02:21:03,760 --> 02:21:06,640
as I think staff would like us to

3651
02:21:06,640 --> 02:21:08,160
believe.

3652
02:21:08,160 --> 02:21:10,800
Um,

3653
02:21:10,800 --> 02:21:12,560
as staff mentioned, the applicant's

3654
02:21:12,560 --> 02:21:15,040
position is that we are asking you to

3655
02:21:15,040 --> 02:21:17,439
evaluate the physical characteristics of

3656
02:21:17,439 --> 02:21:19,120
the property as it is currently

3657
02:21:19,120 --> 02:21:21,600
developed along with the existing uses

3658
02:21:21,600 --> 02:21:24,240
in the vicinity, the industrial

3659
02:21:24,240 --> 02:21:26,479
commercial designation to the north and

3660
02:21:26,479 --> 02:21:30,399
the IC zone is equally or better suited

3661
02:21:30,399 --> 02:21:33,600
um whether the IC zone is equally or

3662
02:21:33,600 --> 02:21:35,840
better suited for the property. This is

3663
02:21:35,840 --> 02:21:38,160
the plain language that's implemented in

3664
02:21:38,160 --> 02:21:40,800
the code. And our point of view

3665
02:21:40,800 --> 02:21:43,359
regarding the error that we alleged both

3666
02:21:43,359 --> 02:21:45,439
in our appellent statement in our most

3667
02:21:45,439 --> 02:21:48,720
recent hearing memo is that the focus of

3668
02:21:48,720 --> 02:21:52,319
that analysis should be on the property

3669
02:21:52,319 --> 02:21:55,280
and the imple and the zone that you're

3670
02:21:55,280 --> 02:21:58,240
changing into. So when you're looking at

3671
02:21:58,240 --> 02:22:01,120
the analysis of the comprehensive plan,

3672
02:22:01,120 --> 02:22:03,840
you're looking at the implementing zone,

3673
02:22:03,840 --> 02:22:06,160
the implementing goals as a whole, all

3674
02:22:06,160 --> 02:22:08,880
of the Salem comprehensive plan, not

3675
02:22:08,880 --> 02:22:11,680
just the river oriented mixeduse

3676
02:22:11,680 --> 02:22:14,399
designation goals. When you look at the

3677
02:22:14,399 --> 02:22:16,960
Salem comprehensive plan as a whole,

3678
02:22:16,960 --> 02:22:19,439
there are goals that are out of

3679
02:22:19,439 --> 02:22:21,760
necessity because of a variety of

3680
02:22:21,760 --> 02:22:24,640
different land uses in tension with each

3681
02:22:24,640 --> 02:22:29,040
other. So having an opinion that you

3682
02:22:29,040 --> 02:22:31,040
have to show compliance with every

3683
02:22:31,040 --> 02:22:32,880
single

3684
02:22:32,880 --> 02:22:38,080
implementing goal isn't typically the structure that we look at a zone

3685
02:22:38,080 --> 02:22:40,479
change in when evaluating whether or not

3686
02:22:40,479 --> 02:22:43,359
you're meeting the applicable

3687
02:22:43,359 --> 02:22:46,160
comprehensive plans and goals. So that's

3688
02:22:46,160 --> 02:22:48,399
kind of the dichotomy where we disagree

3689
02:22:48,399 --> 02:22:52,479
with staff and while it is a subjective

3690
02:22:52,479 --> 02:22:55,359
interpretation that is something that is

3691
02:22:55,359 --> 02:22:57,439
well defined in the law and we've

3692
02:22:57,439 --> 02:23:00,319
provided you with the authority that

3693
02:23:00,319 --> 02:23:03,359
supports our position that you are able

3694
02:23:03,359 --> 02:23:06,560
to move forward with making these

3695
02:23:06,560 --> 02:23:10,080
interpretations and then subsequently

3696
02:23:10,080 --> 02:23:12,399
applying reasonable conditions of

3697
02:23:12,399 --> 02:23:17,359
approval that are clear and feasible in

3698
02:23:17,359 --> 02:23:20,000
their implementation and we've provided

3699
02:23:20,000 --> 02:23:23,520
those to you as well. Um it looks like

3700
02:23:23,520 --> 02:23:26,240
my presentation isn't starting on the f

3701
02:23:26,240 --> 02:23:28,800
the first page so I'm just going to

3702
02:23:28,800 --> 02:23:32,080
adjust it slightly. There we go.

3703
02:23:32,080 --> 02:23:36,080
Um, one thing I wanted to point out in

3704
02:23:36,080 --> 02:23:38,880
kind of the maps that Bryce brought up

3705
02:23:38,880 --> 02:23:41,280
is that when you're looking at the

3706
02:23:41,280 --> 02:23:44,560
zoning map and the subject property is

3707
02:23:44,560 --> 02:23:46,640
starred there,

3708
02:23:46,640 --> 02:23:48,640
our property

3709
02:23:48,640 --> 02:23:52,000
kind of juts out into what was

3710
02:23:52,000 --> 02:23:55,280
originally more of a swoop down for

3711
02:23:55,280 --> 02:23:57,840
industrial general zoning under the

3712
02:23:57,840 --> 02:24:00,800
previous zoning construct. The reason

3713
02:24:00,800 --> 02:24:02,800
that we're requesting a comprehensive

3714
02:24:02,800 --> 02:24:04,960
plan change as a component of this

3715
02:24:04,960 --> 02:24:07,680
application is because since we're

3716
02:24:07,680 --> 02:24:10,880
moving back to the industrial an

3717
02:24:10,880 --> 02:24:13,520
industrial class zone, we're it was

3718
02:24:13,520 --> 02:24:15,439
previously industrial general. We're

3719
02:24:15,439 --> 02:24:19,760
moving to a less um intensive industrial

3720
02:24:19,760 --> 02:24:21,280
commercial.

3721
02:24:21,280 --> 02:24:25,520
You have to retroactive. You can't you

3722
02:24:25,520 --> 02:24:27,040
can't maintain the existing

3723
02:24:27,040 --> 02:24:30,000
comprehensive plan designation while

3724
02:24:30,000 --> 02:24:32,800
just switching the zone. When you are

3725
02:24:32,800 --> 02:24:36,080
doing a zone change, you have to change

3726
02:24:36,080 --> 02:24:38,720
the comprehensive plan along with that

3727
02:24:38,720 --> 02:24:42,479
zone change because they want you to

3728
02:24:42,479 --> 02:24:44,720
have a kind of conformity between the

3729
02:24:44,720 --> 02:24:46,640
comprehensive plan and the zoning

3730
02:24:46,640 --> 02:24:50,240
designation. So if we could, we would

3731
02:24:50,240 --> 02:24:54,560
leave the the existing river oriented

3732
02:24:54,560 --> 02:24:57,760
mixeduse designation. We can't. So we're

3733
02:24:57,760 --> 02:24:59,439
requesting a change to both the

3734
02:24:59,439 --> 02:25:02,000
comprehensive plan, the kind of

3735
02:25:02,000 --> 02:25:04,080
neighborhood plan amendments and then

3736
02:25:04,080 --> 02:25:06,000
the zone change is one consolidated

3737
02:25:06,000 --> 02:25:08,240
application because that's the way that

3738
02:25:08,240 --> 02:25:10,720
the code is structured.

3739
02:25:10,720 --> 02:25:13,840
Um, we also wanted to provide some

3740
02:25:13,840 --> 02:25:16,560
additional imagery of the surrounding

3741
02:25:16,560 --> 02:25:19,680
area so you can kind of see what the

3742
02:25:19,680 --> 02:25:23,840
existing construct looks like. This is

3743
02:25:23,840 --> 02:25:26,880
taken from Front Street and it's along

3744
02:25:26,880 --> 02:25:29,439
the eastern face of the property. This

3745
02:25:29,439 --> 02:25:31,920
is where the railroad spur is and those

3746
02:25:31,920 --> 02:25:34,880
industrial tanks from the railroad serve

3747
02:25:34,880 --> 02:25:37,359
the industrial properties to the north.

3748
02:25:37,359 --> 02:25:39,600
So regardless of whether this property

3749
02:25:39,600 --> 02:25:44,080
is going to be MUR or if it moves to IC,

3750
02:25:44,080 --> 02:25:46,319
those hazardous components will remain

3751
02:25:46,319 --> 02:25:49,760
on site there. It's just by virtue of

3752
02:25:49,760 --> 02:25:51,600
the railroad and the rail spur and where

3753
02:25:51,600 --> 02:25:54,800
it is if you want kind of continuous

3754
02:25:54,800 --> 02:25:56,640
limitations on that. You would have to

3755
02:25:56,640 --> 02:25:59,680
change the properties to the north as

3756
02:25:59,680 --> 02:26:02,319
well, which wasn't part of the R Salem

3757
02:26:02,319 --> 02:26:04,479
construct.

3758
02:26:04,479 --> 02:26:08,160
This is a picture kind of of the space

3759
02:26:08,160 --> 02:26:10,319
between the tanks and the existing

3760
02:26:10,319 --> 02:26:13,200
building. Again, that's where the tracks

3761
02:26:13,200 --> 02:26:16,080
go. There's not an ability to change

3762
02:26:16,080 --> 02:26:17,520
that. So, when we talk about

3763
02:26:17,520 --> 02:26:19,920
pedestrianoriented

3764
02:26:19,920 --> 02:26:22,800
facilities and development in this area,

3765
02:26:22,800 --> 02:26:24,720
what we're really talking about is the

3766
02:26:24,720 --> 02:26:28,720
area between Wamtt Landing Partner um

3767
02:26:28,720 --> 02:26:31,760
properties and the existing property in

3768
02:26:31,760 --> 02:26:35,280
the vacated water street.

3769
02:26:35,280 --> 02:26:38,160
This is a picture that is facing the

3770
02:26:38,160 --> 02:26:40,720
entrance into Wamut Landing and it just

3771
02:26:40,720 --> 02:26:43,680
shows that again the properties to the

3772
02:26:43,680 --> 02:26:47,439
north are significantly

3773
02:26:47,439 --> 02:26:50,080
developed and currently used as

3774
02:26:50,080 --> 02:26:53,120
industrial general uses. This is an

3775
02:26:53,120 --> 02:26:57,840
industrial area and um the kind of

3776
02:26:57,840 --> 02:27:00,160
exception is this area where the

3777
02:27:00,160 --> 02:27:03,439
property interfaces with Wamtt Landing

3778
02:27:03,439 --> 02:27:06,880
and um my client's property which is at

3779
02:27:06,880 --> 02:27:09,439
the very end of the street and kind of

3780
02:27:09,439 --> 02:27:12,800
the position that you're taking the um

3781
02:27:12,800 --> 02:27:15,760
picture north. You can see that there's

3782
02:27:15,760 --> 02:27:17,920
already some residential there's already

3783
02:27:17,920 --> 02:27:21,040
some buffering with landscaping and kind

3784
02:27:21,040 --> 02:27:23,359
of landscaping strips along that area.

3785
02:27:23,359 --> 02:27:26,000
And this area is

3786
02:27:26,000 --> 02:27:29,680
it's kind of a residential street that

3787
02:27:29,680 --> 02:27:33,120
has industrial uses that go over the top

3788
02:27:33,120 --> 02:27:35,840
of it. Um

3789
02:27:35,840 --> 02:27:38,479
there was some comments in the original

3790
02:27:38,479 --> 02:27:44,240
staff report about this property or this street being substandard and upon

3791
02:27:44,240 --> 02:27:46,160
development that would have to be

3792
02:27:46,160 --> 02:27:48,479
addressed if there is future development

3793
02:27:48,479 --> 02:27:51,359
and those standards are triggered the

3794
02:27:51,359 --> 02:27:53,439
applicant would bring the property up to

3795
02:27:53,439 --> 02:27:55,439
standard there.

3796
02:27:55,439 --> 02:27:58,550
Um,

3797
02:27:58,560 --> 02:28:00,479
finally, the applicant's proposal is

3798
02:28:00,479 --> 02:28:02,319
that we apply two conditions of

3799
02:28:02,319 --> 02:28:06,240
approval, which are not anywhere near

3800
02:28:06,240 --> 02:28:07,840
the number of conditions of approval

3801
02:28:07,840 --> 02:28:10,160
that you often see in land use

3802
02:28:10,160 --> 02:28:13,280
applications. What we are proposing is

3803
02:28:13,280 --> 02:28:16,240
that you apply the MUR standards so that

3804
02:28:16,240 --> 02:28:18,640
in the future, if development happens,

3805
02:28:18,640 --> 02:28:21,359
it's consistent with the MUR zoned

3806
02:28:21,359 --> 02:28:23,920
properties to the south. The second is

3807
02:28:23,920 --> 02:28:27,520
that you restrict the ising IC zone uses

3808
02:28:27,520 --> 02:28:30,080
so that there's compatibility there.

3809
02:28:30,080 --> 02:28:32,720
Again, we've provided legal basis for

3810
02:28:32,720 --> 02:28:35,439
making this determination and our

3811
02:28:35,439 --> 02:28:38,640
classifications are proposed to limit

3812
02:28:38,640 --> 02:28:41,120
conflicts between the property and the

3813
02:28:41,120 --> 02:28:44,160
lame landing property.

3814
02:28:44,160 --> 02:28:52,950
>> Thank you.

3815
02:28:52,960 --> 02:28:55,280
Sorry, I'm out of time. So, do I get to

3816
02:28:55,280 --> 02:28:56,319
answer questions?

3817
02:28:56,319 --> 02:28:57,439
>> Yes, you do.

3818
02:28:57,439 --> 02:29:03,349
>> Does anyone have questions?

3819
02:29:03,359 --> 02:29:05,840
» Councelor Barney.

3820
02:29:05,840 --> 02:29:08,080
>> Uh, I was curious because this property

3821
02:29:08,080 --> 02:29:10,399
has been in the family for years. Why

3822
02:29:10,399 --> 02:29:12,080
was this not brought up when we were

3823
02:29:12,080 --> 02:29:17,280
doing the R Salem in 2022? Um the

3824
02:29:17,280 --> 02:29:19,680
settler of the trust was on hospice

3825
02:29:19,680 --> 02:29:23,120
during the hour sale process. So

3826
02:29:23,120 --> 02:29:25,040
obviously the family was kind of

3827
02:29:25,040 --> 02:29:27,680
otherwise occupied. This isn't an owner

3828
02:29:27,680 --> 02:29:29,520
occupied building. So notices went to

3829
02:29:29,520 --> 02:29:33,040
the tenants and

3830
02:29:33,040 --> 02:29:35,760
if the timing had better been better, we

3831
02:29:35,760 --> 02:29:38,560
would have responded at that time, but

3832
02:29:38,560 --> 02:29:42,640
we missed it. And fortunately, the land

3833
02:29:42,640 --> 02:29:45,280
development code allows for changes at

3834
02:29:45,280 --> 02:29:47,520
any time provided you can meet the

3835
02:29:47,520 --> 02:29:49,359
applicable criteria. So we're not

3836
02:29:49,359 --> 02:29:51,760
challenging the R Salem decision, but we

3837
02:29:51,760 --> 02:29:54,080
are saying there's flexibility in the

3838
02:29:54,080 --> 02:29:56,960
code for a reason. We're entitled now to

3839
02:29:56,960 --> 02:29:59,120
come back and ask for a change. We've

3840
02:29:59,120 --> 02:30:01,520
demonstrated that the property equally

3841
02:30:01,520 --> 02:30:04,319
or better meets the intent of the new

3842
02:30:04,319 --> 02:30:10,960
zone and that's what we're relying on.

3843
02:30:10,960 --> 02:30:13,680
>> Councelor Matthews,

3844
02:30:13,680 --> 02:30:15,520
>> uh, this is not a question for you. So,

3845
02:30:15,520 --> 02:30:17,680
I wanted to declare a potential conflict

3846
02:30:17,680 --> 02:30:20,319
only because um you mentioned that you

3847
02:30:20,319 --> 02:30:21,600
guys are attempting to lease the

3848
02:30:21,600 --> 02:30:23,680
property or something along those lines

3849
02:30:23,680 --> 02:30:25,920
and I'm a real estate broker in the area

3850
02:30:25,920 --> 02:30:27,920
and so I just want to put that out

3851
02:30:27,920 --> 02:30:28,960
there. I don't think it creates an

3852
02:30:28,960 --> 02:30:30,080
actual conflict of interest because I

3853
02:30:30,080 --> 02:30:30,960
don't have any connection to this

3854
02:30:30,960 --> 02:30:33,439
particular property.

3855
02:30:33,439 --> 02:30:35,359
>> Thank you, Councelor Matthews. Councelor

3856
02:30:35,359 --> 02:30:36,479
Brown.

3857
02:30:36,479 --> 02:30:38,479
>> Thanks, [snorts] Madame Mayor. I'll only

3858
02:30:38,479 --> 02:30:40,560
have only got 35 questions, so you're

3859
02:30:40,560 --> 02:30:41,840
good. [laughter]

3860
02:30:41,840 --> 02:30:45,840
Um, so, so, Miss Margaret, you know, I I

3861
02:30:45,840 --> 02:30:47,280
read all the, you know, the emails back

3862
02:30:47,280 --> 02:30:49,520
and forth. Obviously, we we know where

3863
02:30:49,520 --> 02:30:51,120
your stance is on this.

3864
02:30:51,120 --> 02:30:53,040
>> I would just say I also think that

3865
02:30:53,040 --> 02:30:55,520
planning is lovely people.

3866
02:30:55,520 --> 02:30:58,319
>> Ain't that nice, Mr. Bishop? You guys

3867
02:30:58,319 --> 02:31:00,080
are lovely people [laughter]

3868
02:31:00,080 --> 02:31:01,520
regardless of what you told me earlier.

3869
02:31:01,520 --> 02:31:09,040
No, I'm joking. I'm only joking. Um so so with this particular property um

3870
02:31:09,040 --> 02:31:10,560
you mentioned that the family there was

3871
02:31:10,560 --> 02:31:12,720
a member in in hospice and so that's the

3872
02:31:12,720 --> 02:31:14,560
reason it couldn't come to the city

3873
02:31:14,560 --> 02:31:20,080
early on and now there's this vision to change this probably from what it is

3874
02:31:20,080 --> 02:31:23,520
to something greater and can you share

3875
02:31:23,520 --> 02:31:25,200
with us a little bit about what that

3876
02:31:25,200 --> 02:31:27,120
something greater is

3877
02:31:27,120 --> 02:31:29,520
>> well I think what we've tried to

3878
02:31:29,520 --> 02:31:32,399
emphasize in our materials is that the

3879
02:31:32,399 --> 02:31:34,560
reality reality here is that the

3880
02:31:34,560 --> 02:31:37,680
riverfront mix oriented use and all of

3881
02:31:37,680 --> 02:31:43,520
the proposed development in it is visioning. It's something that our

3882
02:31:43,520 --> 02:31:46,240
community wants and I I think that my

3883
02:31:46,240 --> 02:31:47,920
client would agree that that would be a

3884
02:31:47,920 --> 02:31:51,200
good use of those properties, but the

3885
02:31:51,200 --> 02:31:52,960
Trip Brother property has been on the

3886
02:31:52,960 --> 02:31:56,240
market for over 10 years. And I think

3887
02:31:56,240 --> 02:31:59,120
we're all aware that

3888
02:31:59,120 --> 02:32:01,200
if that project is to actually

3889
02:32:01,200 --> 02:32:04,000
meaningfully move forward, there has to

3890
02:32:04,000 --> 02:32:06,000
be a substantial amount of investment

3891
02:32:06,000 --> 02:32:08,880
behind it. And given the realities of

3892
02:32:08,880 --> 02:32:10,880
the economy right now and the interest

3893
02:32:10,880 --> 02:32:12,720
in redevelopment

3894
02:32:12,720 --> 02:32:16,240
in this area, looking at downtown and

3895
02:32:16,240 --> 02:32:19,840
all of the constraints around that,

3896
02:32:19,840 --> 02:32:22,880
I think the question before you is if

3897
02:32:22,880 --> 02:32:24,960
the applicant is proposing a reasonable

3898
02:32:24,960 --> 02:32:28,240
path forward with these conditions

3899
02:32:28,240 --> 02:32:29,920
and

3900
02:32:29,920 --> 02:32:33,280
the IC zone allows for an overlap in

3901
02:32:33,280 --> 02:32:37,280
development that would allow for

3902
02:32:37,280 --> 02:32:39,520
a consistent development of this

3903
02:32:39,520 --> 02:32:41,200
property.

3904
02:32:41,200 --> 02:32:44,479
Are you going to require my client to

3905
02:32:44,479 --> 02:32:48,080
change their uses now when we've come to

3906
02:32:48,080 --> 02:32:51,120
the city with an application that meets

3907
02:32:51,120 --> 02:32:54,080
all of the applicable approval criteria

3908
02:32:54,080 --> 02:32:57,520
for a project that could have developed

3909
02:32:57,520 --> 02:33:01,920
over the past 30 years and hasn't?

3910
02:33:01,920 --> 02:33:03,600
>> So, that's a question. I don't think

3911
02:33:03,600 --> 02:33:05,120
it's rhetorical, but it sounds like a

3912
02:33:05,120 --> 02:33:06,880
question that the city attorney has to

3913
02:33:06,880 --> 02:33:08,720
answer

3914
02:33:08,720 --> 02:33:12,230
>> or not.

3915
02:33:12,240 --> 02:33:13,920
» The applicant's position is you're the

3916
02:33:13,920 --> 02:33:15,760
decision maker here. You have the

3917
02:33:15,760 --> 02:33:19,040
discretion to decide what is the correct

3918
02:33:19,040 --> 02:33:23,750
path forward for the city.

3919
02:33:23,760 --> 02:33:27,270
» Thank you,

3920
02:33:27,280 --> 02:33:28,319
» Councelor Tyan. Go ahead.

3921
02:33:28,319 --> 02:33:30,319
>> Thank you, Madam Mayor. Um, thank you

3922
02:33:30,319 --> 02:33:32,319
for your testimony. Appreciate it. And I

3923
02:33:32,319 --> 02:33:34,560
I'll give you the same opportunity to

3924
02:33:34,560 --> 02:33:36,720
answer the question that I asked the

3925
02:33:36,720 --> 02:33:39,840
city planner. Do you think that the the

3926
02:33:39,840 --> 02:33:43,520
planning commission's error was uh of

3927
02:33:43,520 --> 02:33:47,200
subjective nature? Um something that

3928
02:33:47,200 --> 02:33:49,680
honest people can disagree about or was

3929
02:33:49,680 --> 02:33:52,399
it uh factual in nature, something

3930
02:33:52,399 --> 02:33:55,830
objective?

3931
02:33:55,840 --> 02:33:57,920
» I would say

3932
02:33:57,920 --> 02:34:00,399
I agree with Bryce. It is a subjective

3933
02:34:00,399 --> 02:34:03,840
determination. is the application of of

3934
02:34:03,840 --> 02:34:07,040
the law to the facts. I think it's a

3935
02:34:07,040 --> 02:34:08,720
misinterpretation

3936
02:34:08,720 --> 02:34:10,319
of

3937
02:34:10,319 --> 02:34:12,319
what the planning commission was being

3938
02:34:12,319 --> 02:34:15,200
asked to do and what and a

3939
02:34:15,200 --> 02:34:17,439
misunderstanding of what the planning

3940
02:34:17,439 --> 02:34:21,040
commission's authority was in that

3941
02:34:21,040 --> 02:34:24,070
venue.

3942
02:34:24,080 --> 02:34:26,960
» Thank you, Madam Mayor. Okay. Um I I

3943
02:34:26,960 --> 02:34:29,359
appreciate your response. Um you

3944
02:34:29,359 --> 02:34:31,520
mentioned in your testimony that over

3945
02:34:31,520 --> 02:34:34,880
the last three years since um R Salem

3946
02:34:34,880 --> 02:34:39,439
was enacted, maybe there was one um

3947
02:34:39,439 --> 02:34:43,680
serious potential um new tenant for the

3948
02:34:43,680 --> 02:34:46,640
building. Do you have information about

3949
02:34:46,640 --> 02:34:48,319
uh what the nature of the tenants

3950
02:34:48,319 --> 02:34:49,680
business was that would have been done

3951
02:34:49,680 --> 02:34:52,640
in the building and did it connect to

3952
02:34:52,640 --> 02:34:55,920
the um existing uses that are currently

3953
02:34:55,920 --> 02:34:58,479
underway in the building?

3954
02:34:58,479 --> 02:35:00,319
Lauren, do you want to respond to that?

3955
02:35:00,319 --> 02:35:07,110
Do you know what the type of use was?

3956
02:35:07,120 --> 02:35:08,640
» Excuse me. Could you please come forward

3957
02:35:08,640 --> 02:35:11,439
to the microphone for us? Thank you. And

3958
02:35:11,439 --> 02:35:12,960
just state your name for the record if

3959
02:35:12,960 --> 02:35:17,270
you would.

3960
02:35:17,280 --> 02:35:19,359
» My name is Lauren Beckman. I am the

3961
02:35:19,359 --> 02:35:21,520
trustee for the Elellanar M. Beckman

3962
02:35:21,520 --> 02:35:23,120
Trust.

3963
02:35:23,120 --> 02:35:27,200
um the person that was looking at

3964
02:35:27,200 --> 02:35:30,479
leasing the facility

3965
02:35:30,479 --> 02:35:33,520
um inquired of the building because of

3966
02:35:33,520 --> 02:35:36,640
the Coldwell Banker sign out front and

3967
02:35:36,640 --> 02:35:38,960
when they were told it was MUR that it

3968
02:35:38,960 --> 02:35:41,680
was no longer IG which it was originally

3969
02:35:41,680 --> 02:35:43,520
industrial general which is heavy

3970
02:35:43,520 --> 02:35:45,120
industry

3971
02:35:45,120 --> 02:35:48,000
um that was it they just had no further

3972
02:35:48,000 --> 02:35:50,888
questions and we had no other contact.

3973
02:35:50,888 --> 02:35:51,760
[clears throat]

3974
02:35:51,760 --> 02:35:54,080
Okay. Thank you.

3975
02:35:54,080 --> 02:35:56,479
>> Thank you for that. Yeah. Councelor

3976
02:35:56,479 --> 02:35:57,200
Brown.

3977
02:35:57,200 --> 02:35:59,280
>> Thank you, Madame Mayor. So, so Miss

3978
02:35:59,280 --> 02:36:01,520
Margaret, and this is probably for Mr.

3979
02:36:01,520 --> 02:36:05,280
Bishop also. So, th this area, um, we

3980
02:36:05,280 --> 02:36:08,720
know it it doesn't look the best, right?

3981
02:36:08,720 --> 02:36:10,000
And I say that because it's in my

3982
02:36:10,000 --> 02:36:13,040
backyard. I travel. I'm on that road

3983
02:36:13,040 --> 02:36:15,200
multiple times throughout the day. And

3984
02:36:15,200 --> 02:36:17,200
so, I pass it. I I ride through it on my

3985
02:36:17,200 --> 02:36:18,800
bicycle. I jog through it. So, I know

3986
02:36:18,800 --> 02:36:21,200
the area fairly well. And I would love

3987
02:36:21,200 --> 02:36:22,960
to see something, you know, something

3988
02:36:22,960 --> 02:36:25,280
take place there. So, so I guess my

3989
02:36:25,280 --> 02:36:27,359
question, you know, to you and also Mr.

3990
02:36:27,359 --> 02:36:29,840
Bishop, where where is the happy medium?

3991
02:36:29,840 --> 02:36:33,040
Because I'm trying to find one. Um I'm

3992
02:36:33,040 --> 02:36:34,800
trying to find one, right? I'm I'm

3993
02:36:34,800 --> 02:36:36,880
looking through all the notes, but I'm

3994
02:36:36,880 --> 02:36:38,399
trying to find a happy medium because I

3995
02:36:38,399 --> 02:36:40,399
understand, you know, the zone changes.

3996
02:36:40,399 --> 02:36:43,920
I get all of that. Um if we say no, if

3997
02:36:43,920 --> 02:36:46,000
we stay the way that things are, that

3998
02:36:46,000 --> 02:36:48,160
area stays the way that it is. It

3999
02:36:48,160 --> 02:36:50,000
doesn't change,

4000
02:36:50,000 --> 02:36:52,560
right? It stays the same. And if the

4001
02:36:52,560 --> 02:36:54,560
countering project does not come to

4002
02:36:54,560 --> 02:36:56,960
fruition, everything over there stays

4003
02:36:56,960 --> 02:37:00,720
the same. And so you have a part of our

4004
02:37:00,720 --> 02:37:02,080
community, I'm going to use the word

4005
02:37:02,080 --> 02:37:04,000
blight. Some people may not like that,

4006
02:37:04,000 --> 02:37:06,720
but it's it's not an attractive area.

4007
02:37:06,720 --> 02:37:09,840
And so, how can we find a happy medium

4008
02:37:09,840 --> 02:37:13,680
between the applicant and the city?

4009
02:37:13,680 --> 02:37:15,120
I don't know who can answer that, but

4010
02:37:15,120 --> 02:37:16,800
that's that's what Dr. Brian is asking.

4011
02:37:16,800 --> 02:37:20,240
Where's the happy medium?

4012
02:37:20,240 --> 02:37:22,319
>> Our response would be we're trying to

4013
02:37:22,319 --> 02:37:24,800
find that. Um I think that we've been

4014
02:37:24,800 --> 02:37:29,280
open. We've been kind of asking for

4015
02:37:29,280 --> 02:37:32,000
feedback about what things need to come

4016
02:37:32,000 --> 02:37:34,000
off, what things could be added on.

4017
02:37:34,000 --> 02:37:37,680
We've um we've provided what we believe

4018
02:37:37,680 --> 02:37:41,840
is the happy medium here. And I would

4019
02:37:41,840 --> 02:37:44,000
agree with your kind of

4020
02:37:44,000 --> 02:37:46,800
conceptualization of that area. I think

4021
02:37:46,800 --> 02:37:49,520
what we heard in the URRA

4022
02:37:49,520 --> 02:37:52,319
presentation last time this was before

4023
02:37:52,319 --> 02:37:54,720
you when we requested a continuence was

4024
02:37:54,720 --> 02:37:58,000
that this area is experiencing blight.

4025
02:37:58,000 --> 02:38:01,200
And the reality for my client is that if

4026
02:38:01,200 --> 02:38:02,720
you

4027
02:38:02,720 --> 02:38:05,760
don't allow us to change and expand the

4028
02:38:05,760 --> 02:38:08,399
existing uses that we're allowed to do,

4029
02:38:08,399 --> 02:38:11,359
our feeling is that this property will

4030
02:38:11,359 --> 02:38:14,479
remain partially vacant and if we lose

4031
02:38:14,479 --> 02:38:17,680
our existing tenant, it will be fully

4032
02:38:17,680 --> 02:38:20,319
vacant and we don't see a viable path

4033
02:38:20,319 --> 02:38:23,600
forward for releasing it.

4034
02:38:23,600 --> 02:38:28,160
>> Thank you.

4035
02:38:28,160 --> 02:38:31,510
your rebuttal.

4036
02:38:31,520 --> 02:38:33,120
» Now, councelor Tigan, you want to go

4037
02:38:33,120 --> 02:38:35,120
ahead with a question for

4038
02:38:35,120 --> 02:38:39,520
>> Yeah. Thank you, Madam Mayor. Um I was

4039
02:38:39,520 --> 02:38:42,880
going through the um Miss Ganderville,

4040
02:38:42,880 --> 02:38:46,319
your um the email that you sent today

4041
02:38:46,319 --> 02:38:49,280
and you have attached to a sort of

4042
02:38:49,280 --> 02:38:54,240
suggested changes to the um IC code or

4043
02:38:54,240 --> 02:38:57,680
I'm sorry the I uh section 551 for the

4044
02:38:57,680 --> 02:38:59,120
IC zone.

4045
02:38:59,120 --> 02:39:03,040
>> Um striking out certain uses essentially

4046
02:39:03,040 --> 02:39:05,040
maybe plotting the middle ground that

4047
02:39:05,040 --> 02:39:07,600
Dr. Brown mentions. How did you go about

4048
02:39:07,600 --> 02:39:10,399
deciding which uses were appropriate,

4049
02:39:10,399 --> 02:39:12,160
what should be conditional, what should

4050
02:39:12,160 --> 02:39:14,800
be um permitted, that sort of thing.

4051
02:39:14,800 --> 02:39:18,080
>> Yeah. So, our approach was largely based

4052
02:39:18,080 --> 02:39:20,000
on conversations with the city and in

4053
02:39:20,000 --> 02:39:21,760
response to the opposition at the

4054
02:39:21,760 --> 02:39:24,399
planning commission. So, what we did was

4055
02:39:24,399 --> 02:39:28,160
we pulled uses that we felt were largely

4056
02:39:28,160 --> 02:39:30,640
inconsistent with any residential use

4057
02:39:30,640 --> 02:39:33,359
just on its face. So, um I think

4058
02:39:33,359 --> 02:39:36,000
firearms was mentioned earlier on. That

4059
02:39:36,000 --> 02:39:38,160
was something that we pulled out. There

4060
02:39:38,160 --> 02:39:42,640
are like aviation facilities probably

4061
02:39:42,640 --> 02:39:46,000
not happening here. Um

4062
02:39:46,000 --> 02:39:48,160
so, kind of those ones that seemed

4063
02:39:48,160 --> 02:39:50,960
plainly incompatible and unfeasible, I

4064
02:39:50,960 --> 02:39:53,280
those are unlikely to develop on this

4065
02:39:53,280 --> 02:39:55,040
property anyways just due to its size

4066
02:39:55,040 --> 02:39:57,840
and location, but we pulled those out.

4067
02:39:57,840 --> 02:40:00,880
um where there was particular concern

4068
02:40:00,880 --> 02:40:04,399
raised by Wamut Landing agricultural

4069
02:40:04,399 --> 02:40:09,359
uses um some of the more intensive kind

4070
02:40:09,359 --> 02:40:11,600
of industrial uses we eliminated those

4071
02:40:11,600 --> 02:40:13,439
as well.

4072
02:40:13,439 --> 02:40:17,600
Where we moved to conditional uses was

4073
02:40:17,600 --> 02:40:21,520
areas where we feel like the use either

4074
02:40:21,520 --> 02:40:24,479
could be or could be made compatible

4075
02:40:24,479 --> 02:40:26,720
with the area through the conditional

4076
02:40:26,720 --> 02:40:29,280
use permit process. And the reason that

4077
02:40:29,280 --> 02:40:31,200
we feel the conditional use permitting

4078
02:40:31,200 --> 02:40:34,479
process is a better path forward than

4079
02:40:34,479 --> 02:40:37,200
kind of the existing continuing use

4080
02:40:37,200 --> 02:40:40,160
construct is that it provides a process

4081
02:40:40,160 --> 02:40:43,359
and certainty for a particular applicant

4082
02:40:43,359 --> 02:40:46,560
in response to its particular use on a

4083
02:40:46,560 --> 02:40:50,880
particular property. And that allows

4084
02:40:50,880 --> 02:40:53,840
both city review to look at the proposed

4085
02:40:53,840 --> 02:40:55,600
use, the proposed development at the

4086
02:40:55,600 --> 02:40:57,520
time, and say,

4087
02:40:57,520 --> 02:41:00,319
I see what you're doing here. As a

4088
02:41:00,319 --> 02:41:03,439
condition of approval for this use, we

4089
02:41:03,439 --> 02:41:06,000
would like you to

4090
02:41:06,000 --> 02:41:08,160
make sure that any noise is mitigated by

4091
02:41:08,160 --> 02:41:10,560
adding additional soundproofing.

4092
02:41:10,560 --> 02:41:12,240
And you would do a noise test and you

4093
02:41:12,240 --> 02:41:14,399
would show that you are adequately

4094
02:41:14,399 --> 02:41:18,960
mitigating that. And so that particular

4095
02:41:18,960 --> 02:41:21,760
process is already in the code. And we

4096
02:41:21,760 --> 02:41:24,319
felt like for industrial services where

4097
02:41:24,319 --> 02:41:26,560
there may be some uses that are

4098
02:41:26,560 --> 02:41:28,319
compatible,

4099
02:41:28,319 --> 02:41:32,080
but it likely makes sense to allow for

4100
02:41:32,080 --> 02:41:34,720
more regulatory approval in that

4101
02:41:34,720 --> 02:41:36,960
particular setting. That's where we move

4102
02:41:36,960 --> 02:41:40,000
to a conditional use. Um, we also kind

4103
02:41:40,000 --> 02:41:42,240
of looked for overlap between the MUR

4104
02:41:42,240 --> 02:41:45,120
zone and the IC zone and tried to just

4105
02:41:45,120 --> 02:41:48,800
kind of look at what would be consistent

4106
02:41:48,800 --> 02:41:51,439
based on uses that are permitted. And

4107
02:41:51,439 --> 02:41:53,359
that's where some of the items that are

4108
02:41:53,359 --> 02:41:55,200
within the general manufacturing

4109
02:41:55,200 --> 02:41:57,680
component are struck out because we felt

4110
02:41:57,680 --> 02:42:00,080
like there might be some just

4111
02:42:00,080 --> 02:42:02,399
unintentional inconsistency created

4112
02:42:02,399 --> 02:42:03,680
there.

4113
02:42:03,680 --> 02:42:04,560
>> Okay. Thank you.

4114
02:42:04,560 --> 02:42:07,280
>> Yeah.

4115
02:42:07,280 --> 02:42:09,840
>> Anyone else? Not at the moment.

4116
02:42:09,840 --> 02:42:13,040
>> Not at the moment. Okay. Um Oh, go

4117
02:42:13,040 --> 02:42:15,359
ahead, Councelor Barney.

4118
02:42:15,359 --> 02:42:17,600
>> Uh this is probably just more uh

4119
02:42:17,600 --> 02:42:19,840
procedural. Um are we going to get a

4120
02:42:19,840 --> 02:42:22,160
chance to ask staff questions again if

4121
02:42:22,160 --> 02:42:26,950
we wish? Okay.

4122
02:42:26,960 --> 02:42:29,120
» Go ahead, Councelor Gwen.

4123
02:42:29,120 --> 02:42:31,600
>> I just wanted to declare the same

4124
02:42:31,600 --> 02:42:33,439
potential conflict because I'm a real

4125
02:42:33,439 --> 02:42:36,000
estate broker. Although in 35 years I

4126
02:42:36,000 --> 02:42:38,880
have never done a commercial deal, but

4127
02:42:38,880 --> 02:42:41,040
I'm only saying it to air on the side of

4128
02:42:41,040 --> 02:42:45,510
caution. So [laughter]

4129
02:42:45,520 --> 02:42:47,520
it's like six degrees of separation.

4130
02:42:47,520 --> 02:42:49,200
Thank you, Margaret. I really appreciate

4131
02:42:49,200 --> 02:42:51,600
it. And don't go anywhere.

4132
02:42:51,600 --> 02:42:54,000
>> Um, we also have an attorney for the

4133
02:42:54,000 --> 02:42:56,880
opponent, Dean Altterman.

4134
02:42:56,880 --> 02:42:59,280
Please come forward. The green there

4135
02:42:59,280 --> 02:43:01,120
buttons already pushed, so you're good.

4136
02:43:01,120 --> 02:43:02,720
And I understand you will have three

4137
02:43:02,720 --> 02:43:04,399
minutes.

4138
02:43:04,399 --> 02:43:06,000
Thank you, madame mayor and members of

4139
02:43:06,000 --> 02:43:07,760
the city council. My name is Dean

4140
02:43:07,760 --> 02:43:10,160
Alterman. My address is 805 Southwest

4141
02:43:10,160 --> 02:43:13,680
Broadway, sweet 1580, Portland 97205.

4142
02:43:13,680 --> 02:43:15,600
I'm here on behalf of Willan Landing

4143
02:43:15,600 --> 02:43:17,680
Apartments 89, the owner of the

4144
02:43:17,680 --> 02:43:20,960
adjoining property. Uh first, in short,

4145
02:43:20,960 --> 02:43:23,920
uh we agree with the staff report. Uh we

4146
02:43:23,920 --> 02:43:25,439
ask that you affirm the planning

4147
02:43:25,439 --> 02:43:28,399
commission. Uh we have two specific

4148
02:43:28,399 --> 02:43:30,000
issues. Out of the many things we

4149
02:43:30,000 --> 02:43:31,439
touched on in our written material,

4150
02:43:31,439 --> 02:43:32,720
there are two that I would like to talk

4151
02:43:32,720 --> 02:43:35,760
about. One is a specific criterion for

4152
02:43:35,760 --> 02:43:39,760
in the plan amendment. It's 64025

4153
02:43:39,760 --> 02:43:43,840
sub 2 sub [clears throat] A sub I. The

4154
02:43:43,840 --> 02:43:45,920
applicant has suggested that criterion

4155
02:43:45,920 --> 02:43:49,279
is is the zone better suited for the is

4156
02:43:49,279 --> 02:43:51,279
the comp plan, sorry, better suited for

4157
02:43:51,279 --> 02:43:53,520
the property than the current zoning.

4158
02:43:53,520 --> 02:43:55,040
But that's not actually what the

4159
02:43:55,040 --> 02:43:57,760
criterion says. uh staff discusses it on

4160
02:43:57,760 --> 02:44:00,800
pages 10 and 11 of the packet. Uh and

4161
02:44:00,800 --> 02:44:02,479
I'll quote from that. This approval

4162
02:44:02,479 --> 02:44:04,640
criterion requires the applicant to

4163
02:44:04,640 --> 02:44:06,560
demonstrate that the proposed minor

4164
02:44:06,560 --> 02:44:09,439
comprehensive plan map amendment is

4165
02:44:09,439 --> 02:44:11,600
justified based on and this is the key

4166
02:44:11,600 --> 02:44:14,000
word based on an alteration

4167
02:44:14,000 --> 02:44:16,160
in the social, economic or demographic

4168
02:44:16,160 --> 02:44:18,080
patterns of the nearby vicinity

4169
02:44:18,080 --> 02:44:20,160
resulting in the current designation no

4170
02:44:20,160 --> 02:44:22,800
longer being appropriate. You could find

4171
02:44:22,800 --> 02:44:24,800
for the applicant on that point only if

4172
02:44:24,800 --> 02:44:27,359
you find that the area is changing

4173
02:44:27,359 --> 02:44:30,080
toward industrial use and away from

4174
02:44:30,080 --> 02:44:32,319
mixeduse residential that it's changing

4175
02:44:32,319 --> 02:44:34,319
away from the water and toward

4176
02:44:34,319 --> 02:44:36,960
industrial use. That's the opposite of

4177
02:44:36,960 --> 02:44:40,720
what you found and what you aspired to

4178
02:44:40,720 --> 02:44:43,040
when you adopted the Salem plan a couple

4179
02:44:43,040 --> 02:44:46,560
of years ago. uh if at all you can find

4180
02:44:46,560 --> 02:44:49,520
on the facts that this area is changing

4181
02:44:49,520 --> 02:44:52,479
toward residential toward mixed use but

4182
02:44:52,479 --> 02:44:54,080
you simply don't have any facts to

4183
02:44:54,080 --> 02:44:56,640
suggest it's changing toward industrial

4184
02:44:56,640 --> 02:44:59,840
on that ground alone uh the application

4185
02:44:59,840 --> 02:45:03,439
for a plan map amendment fails

4186
02:45:03,439 --> 02:45:06,240
the other point I'd like to discuss one

4187
02:45:06,240 --> 02:45:10,160
of the zone change criteria uh uh code

4188
02:45:10,160 --> 02:45:13,120
265.005 005

4189
02:45:13,120 --> 02:45:17,439
sub e sub one sub a sub3 that is a lot

4190
02:45:17,439 --> 02:45:20,800
of subs. Um and now we start getting

4191
02:45:20,800 --> 02:45:23,040
into equally or better suited. Is the

4192
02:45:23,040 --> 02:45:25,680
proposed zone equally or better suited

4193
02:45:25,680 --> 02:45:27,920
to the property than the current zone?

4194
02:45:27,920 --> 02:45:31,840
And here staff discusses this on page 26

4195
02:45:31,840 --> 02:45:34,960
and 27 of the staff report.

4196
02:45:34,960 --> 02:45:36,560
here. [snorts] The problem is that

4197
02:45:36,560 --> 02:45:39,120
easement is that Water Street doesn't

4198
02:45:39,120 --> 02:45:40,720
run along the west side of this

4199
02:45:40,720 --> 02:45:43,439
property. A shared private easement runs

4200
02:45:43,439 --> 02:45:46,560
along the side and half of that is zoned

4201
02:45:46,560 --> 02:45:50,640
MUA. Uh, as you have heard from staff,

4202
02:45:50,640 --> 02:45:53,680
if somebody were to propose uh an IC use

4203
02:45:53,680 --> 02:45:56,114
on this property that used that used

4204
02:45:56,114 --> 02:45:57,439
[clears throat] water street extension

4205
02:45:57,439 --> 02:45:59,680
for access, that access would have to be

4206
02:45:59,680 --> 02:46:03,520
entirely on the east half of Water

4207
02:46:03,520 --> 02:46:05,920
Street on the part of that easement that

4208
02:46:05,920 --> 02:46:08,080
the applicant owns. The applicant

4209
02:46:08,080 --> 02:46:10,800
couldn't use the west part. For those

4210
02:46:10,800 --> 02:46:13,200
reasons, uh, we ask that you

4211
02:46:13,200 --> 02:46:14,560
>> Thank you. Your time is expired. Thank

4212
02:46:14,560 --> 02:46:15,920
you for your testimony.

4213
02:46:15,920 --> 02:46:17,600
>> Any questions? Is anyone have any

4214
02:46:17,600 --> 02:46:23,590
questions for Attorney Alterman?

4215
02:46:23,600 --> 02:46:26,160
Okay, thank you very much.

4216
02:46:26,160 --> 02:46:28,479
Um, we

4217
02:46:28,479 --> 02:46:30,800
all I can hear is Miss Margaret in my

4218
02:46:30,800 --> 02:46:32,399
head right now.

4219
02:46:32,399 --> 02:46:33,920
>> Before we get to rebuttal, let's have

4220
02:46:33,920 --> 02:46:34,960
questions of staff.

4221
02:46:34,960 --> 02:46:36,479
>> Okay, before rebuttal, we'll have

4222
02:46:36,479 --> 02:46:38,720
questions of staff.

4223
02:46:38,720 --> 02:46:43,359
Anyone? Go ahead, Councelor Matthew.

4224
02:46:43,359 --> 02:46:45,840
after the signage.

4225
02:46:45,840 --> 02:46:47,920
>> Okay, give me one moment.

4226
02:46:47,920 --> 02:46:49,920
>> Okay, please come forward. You'll have

4227
02:46:49,920 --> 02:46:51,279
three minutes.

4228
02:46:51,279 --> 02:46:53,439
>> Please state your name and your address

4229
02:46:53,439 --> 02:46:54,880
for the record.

4230
02:46:54,880 --> 02:46:57,279
>> My name is Melody Canoyer. For this

4231
02:46:57,279 --> 02:46:59,760
purpose, my address is 1657 Water

4232
02:46:59,760 --> 02:47:02,479
Street, Wamit Landing Apartments. I

4233
02:47:02,479 --> 02:47:04,080
lived at Wamut Landing Apartments from

4234
02:47:04,080 --> 02:47:08,640
2002 through 2016. And I want to talk

4235
02:47:08,640 --> 02:47:11,200
about disperate impact of the tenants

4236
02:47:11,200 --> 02:47:14,960
that were in those buildings. So what um

4237
02:47:14,960 --> 02:47:17,200
you guys were talking about, you know,

4238
02:47:17,200 --> 02:47:19,359
are the residents complaining? Yes. To

4239
02:47:19,359 --> 02:47:21,600
us as the representatives of Wamut

4240
02:47:21,600 --> 02:47:23,520
Landing, but what could we do about it?

4241
02:47:23,520 --> 02:47:25,200
We would call code compliance and they'd

4242
02:47:25,200 --> 02:47:27,600
say they were there before you. Sorry.

4243
02:47:27,600 --> 02:47:30,640
while I lived in number 37, which in the

4244
02:47:30,640 --> 02:47:33,279
picture by the applicant shows cars

4245
02:47:33,279 --> 02:47:36,880
parked on our property in my back window

4246
02:47:36,880 --> 02:47:38,640
with their exhaust going in my back

4247
02:47:38,640 --> 02:47:40,479
window with my three-year-old at the

4248
02:47:40,479 --> 02:47:43,439
time. Nothing I could do about that.

4249
02:47:43,439 --> 02:47:46,080
They would drive through our grass and

4250
02:47:46,080 --> 02:47:47,600
then I planted trees. They would run

4251
02:47:47,600 --> 02:47:49,920
them over. Finally, most of them have

4252
02:47:49,920 --> 02:47:51,439
grown enough where we have a little bit

4253
02:47:51,439 --> 02:47:55,200
of gap, but they have not historically

4254
02:47:55,200 --> 02:47:57,200
been great tenants. I had no clue who

4255
02:47:57,200 --> 02:48:00,160
the ownership was. I had no idea on how

4256
02:48:00,160 --> 02:48:01,840
to go look that up when I was the

4257
02:48:01,840 --> 02:48:05,359
apartment manager. So, historically, I

4258
02:48:05,359 --> 02:48:07,520
have not been able to take my children

4259
02:48:07,520 --> 02:48:09,439
outside of those gates. I couldn't walk

4260
02:48:09,439 --> 02:48:10,880
to the Elenor. I couldn't walk to

4261
02:48:10,880 --> 02:48:13,200
Riverfront Park. We had to drive

4262
02:48:13,200 --> 02:48:15,200
everywhere. There were trucks. There

4263
02:48:15,200 --> 02:48:19,120
were cars. Even if the building owners

4264
02:48:19,120 --> 02:48:20,880
put

4265
02:48:20,880 --> 02:48:23,040
rules for the tenants of the building,

4266
02:48:23,040 --> 02:48:24,960
that doesn't stop the cars. That doesn't

4267
02:48:24,960 --> 02:48:26,720
stop the traffic. That doesn't stop the

4268
02:48:26,720 --> 02:48:29,200
impact of the noise to Want Landing who

4269
02:48:29,200 --> 02:48:31,120
already have to deal with the paint

4270
02:48:31,120 --> 02:48:33,439
people consistently

4271
02:48:33,439 --> 02:48:35,520
dropping their paint all over the ground

4272
02:48:35,520 --> 02:48:39,279
and not following OSHA rules. This is

4273
02:48:39,279 --> 02:48:41,200
continuous. If you look at the history

4274
02:48:41,200 --> 02:48:44,000
of our complaints over and over and

4275
02:48:44,000 --> 02:48:48,720
over, it has been a thing

4276
02:48:48,720 --> 02:48:51,520
since 1979. I was born in 78, so I know

4277
02:48:51,520 --> 02:48:54,160
it's 47 years. You guys have planned the

4278
02:48:54,160 --> 02:48:56,000
beginning of what was going to be the

4279
02:48:56,000 --> 02:48:58,960
riverfront project. And in 2016, I got

4280
02:48:58,960 --> 02:49:00,640
moved to Southwalk. The Southwalk

4281
02:49:00,640 --> 02:49:03,680
project also has a train nearby. We have

4282
02:49:03,680 --> 02:49:06,160
no problems having mixed use right up

4283
02:49:06,160 --> 02:49:08,399
next to the train. It was wonderful. We

4284
02:49:08,399 --> 02:49:10,160
made it work. The train goes past Wamut

4285
02:49:10,160 --> 02:49:11,680
Landing, too. I lived along that train

4286
02:49:11,680 --> 02:49:14,240
for almost 30 years.

4287
02:49:14,240 --> 02:49:16,080
I was able to walk my children downtown

4288
02:49:16,080 --> 02:49:18,000
because we had bikeways and pathways and

4289
02:49:18,000 --> 02:49:18,880
all those things. We could go to

4290
02:49:18,880 --> 02:49:20,399
restaurants. We could go to movies. We

4291
02:49:20,399 --> 02:49:21,840
could do all of the things we couldn't

4292
02:49:21,840 --> 02:49:24,000
do at Wamut Landing which were promised

4293
02:49:24,000 --> 02:49:27,040
to us from 1979. I remember being in

4294
02:49:27,040 --> 02:49:29,120
downtown 365 committees where we talked

4295
02:49:29,120 --> 02:49:31,760
about what we were going to do with the

4296
02:49:31,760 --> 02:49:33,600
north side. I talked to our ownership of

4297
02:49:33,600 --> 02:49:35,359
Wamut Landing even though I wasn't there

4298
02:49:35,359 --> 02:49:36,960
anymore but still worked for the

4299
02:49:36,960 --> 02:49:40,160
company. I still I still work for the

4300
02:49:40,160 --> 02:49:42,479
company as a whole and telling them hey

4301
02:49:42,479 --> 02:49:43,680
this is what's coming. This is what

4302
02:49:43,680 --> 02:49:45,359
we're looking forward to. I recognize

4303
02:49:45,359 --> 02:49:47,600
that the Canary project if it continues

4304
02:49:47,600 --> 02:49:50,319
is still a competition but it's not

4305
02:49:50,319 --> 02:49:52,399
because it's success for us all of what

4306
02:49:52,399 --> 02:49:54,960
we're going to do in the future. I would

4307
02:49:54,960 --> 02:49:56,960
like to see that we continue on with

4308
02:49:56,960 --> 02:49:59,920
that vision and I'm sorry that one

4309
02:49:59,920 --> 02:50:03,279
building who hasn't followed the rules

4310
02:50:03,279 --> 02:50:05,120
is Thank you.

4311
02:50:05,120 --> 02:50:07,439
>> Thank you for your testimony.

4312
02:50:07,439 --> 02:50:10,560
>> Any questions?

4313
02:50:10,560 --> 02:50:14,080
No. Okay.

4314
02:50:14,080 --> 02:50:19,750
staff. Any questions for staff?

4315
02:50:19,760 --> 02:50:22,000
Councelor Barney,

4316
02:50:22,000 --> 02:50:25,040
thank you very much. Uh, wow, so much

4317
02:50:25,040 --> 02:50:26,720
good information. I really appreciate

4318
02:50:26,720 --> 02:50:29,760
it. Let me look at my questions here.

4319
02:50:29,760 --> 02:50:32,399
Okay,

4320
02:50:32,399 --> 02:50:34,399
I have a couple of questions about the

4321
02:50:34,399 --> 02:50:37,112
two different types of zoning. Okay,

4322
02:50:37,112 --> 02:50:39,520
[snorts] how are the environmental

4323
02:50:39,520 --> 02:50:43,279
restrictions different between the two?

4324
02:50:43,279 --> 02:50:45,120
Well, in terms of the base zones

4325
02:50:45,120 --> 02:50:47,840
themselves, they don't have specific,

4326
02:50:47,840 --> 02:50:49,760
you know, envir environmental standards

4327
02:50:49,760 --> 02:50:51,680
for tree protection, wetlands, those are

4328
02:50:51,680 --> 02:50:53,279
in different chapters of the code that

4329
02:50:53,279 --> 02:50:56,319
apply generally to to to the resources

4330
02:50:56,319 --> 02:50:57,840
themselves and not aren't tied to the

4331
02:50:57,840 --> 02:50:59,760
zones. There are a few of our industrial

4332
02:50:59,760 --> 02:51:01,840
zones that specifically require that you

4333
02:51:01,840 --> 02:51:03,920
have to meet DEQ standards and permits

4334
02:51:03,920 --> 02:51:06,319
for all approvals, but uh these zones

4335
02:51:06,319 --> 02:51:08,240
don't have that. And so the IC zone and

4336
02:51:08,240 --> 02:51:10,240
the and the MUR zone it's just setbacks

4337
02:51:10,240 --> 02:51:11,920
height you know pedestrianoriented

4338
02:51:11,920 --> 02:51:14,160
development standards and then of course

4339
02:51:14,160 --> 02:51:15,760
then you have to comply with 808 our

4340
02:51:15,760 --> 02:51:17,439
tree preservation ordinance 809 our

4341
02:51:17,439 --> 02:51:19,760
wetlands ordinance and uh you know A10

4342
02:51:19,760 --> 02:51:21,200
or landslide ordinance and then there's

4343
02:51:21,200 --> 02:51:23,279
other you know state you know laws you

4344
02:51:23,279 --> 02:51:25,920
know and um for you know pollutants and

4345
02:51:25,920 --> 02:51:28,800
air and emissions and air quality that

4346
02:51:28,800 --> 02:51:31,040
go beyond you know the zones themselves.

4347
02:51:31,040 --> 02:51:33,279
So the zones really don't have a lot to

4348
02:51:33,279 --> 02:51:34,800
have a big difference in terms of

4349
02:51:34,800 --> 02:51:36,560
environmental things other than if

4350
02:51:36,560 --> 02:51:38,720
you're talking about the environment in

4351
02:51:38,720 --> 02:51:40,960
terms of the built environment u you

4352
02:51:40,960 --> 02:51:42,800
know and how buildings interact with the

4353
02:51:42,800 --> 02:51:44,560
public right of way there's big

4354
02:51:44,560 --> 02:51:46,240
differences in terms of that you know

4355
02:51:46,240 --> 02:51:48,080
height and lot coverage but in terms of

4356
02:51:48,080 --> 02:51:50,720
like environmental in terms of trees you

4357
02:51:50,720 --> 02:51:54,080
know water resources they uh they don't

4358
02:51:54,080 --> 02:51:55,840
really get too much into those specific

4359
02:51:55,840 --> 02:51:57,520
issues. It's the other chapters of the

4360
02:51:57,520 --> 02:52:00,720
code that do that.

4361
02:52:00,720 --> 02:52:03,359
>> Okay. Um, and the reason I'm asking is I

4362
02:52:03,359 --> 02:52:07,040
was looking at pages 11 and 12 in the uh

4363
02:52:07,040 --> 02:52:09,120
oh, let's see the staff report from

4364
02:52:09,120 --> 02:52:13,279
August and it says uh the IC industrial

4365
02:52:13,279 --> 02:52:14,960
commercial zoning proposed by the

4366
02:52:14,960 --> 02:52:16,960
applicant would allow a wide variety

4367
02:52:16,960 --> 02:52:19,840
commercial and industrial uses. A change

4368
02:52:19,840 --> 02:52:22,000
of the property's comprehensive plan,

4369
02:52:22,000 --> 02:52:24,240
whatever, to industrial and zoning would

4370
02:52:24,240 --> 02:52:26,399
make it possible for uses such as data

4371
02:52:26,399 --> 02:52:28,479
center facilities,

4372
02:52:28,479 --> 02:52:31,200
motor vehicle sales, motor vehicles that

4373
02:52:31,200 --> 02:52:34,720
leak, etc. Whole bunch of things. And so

4374
02:52:34,720 --> 02:52:38,000
that's my environmental question and how

4375
02:52:38,000 --> 02:52:40,720
that ties in. So those are allowed uses

4376
02:52:40,720 --> 02:52:41,760
of this.

4377
02:52:41,760 --> 02:52:42,160
>> Yeah.

4378
02:52:42,160 --> 02:52:44,800
>> If it gets changed,

4379
02:52:44,800 --> 02:52:46,560
>> but there's no control of the

4380
02:52:46,560 --> 02:52:48,399
environmental aspect of it. That's

4381
02:52:48,399 --> 02:52:49,520
different in terms of

4382
02:52:49,520 --> 02:52:51,520
>> if there were no conditions uh limiting

4383
02:52:51,520 --> 02:52:53,359
the use. Now what the applicants have

4384
02:52:53,359 --> 02:52:55,439
presented is a and their conditions

4385
02:52:55,439 --> 02:52:57,600
would to be to to restrict you know

4386
02:52:57,600 --> 02:52:59,760
motor vehicle uses you data centers

4387
02:52:59,760 --> 02:53:01,760
wouldn't be on the list of allowed uses.

4388
02:53:01,760 --> 02:53:03,520
So those they're proposing to eliminate

4389
02:53:03,520 --> 02:53:06,160
those. Uh if if the if the icy zone was

4390
02:53:06,160 --> 02:53:08,479
just approved as it is yeah all of those

4391
02:53:08,479 --> 02:53:10,160
uses could you know be there as

4392
02:53:10,160 --> 02:53:12,399
indicated in the the staff report. And

4393
02:53:12,399 --> 02:53:14,240
that's, you know, why, you know,

4394
02:53:14,240 --> 02:53:16,160
obviously just a a straight zone change

4395
02:53:16,160 --> 02:53:19,600
to IC is, you know, during the in the

4396
02:53:19,600 --> 02:53:23,760
planning commission's uh decision and staff's recommendation, that would

4397
02:53:23,760 --> 02:53:26,640
not be appropriate. And so if there if

4398
02:53:26,640 --> 02:53:28,720
there were to be any change to IC, it

4399
02:53:28,720 --> 02:53:30,000
would need to, you know, there needs to

4400
02:53:30,000 --> 02:53:31,760
be sideboards on it, you know, to

4401
02:53:31,760 --> 02:53:33,279
protect against those type types of

4402
02:53:33,279 --> 02:53:36,399
impacts. Uh but we felt that the the

4403
02:53:36,399 --> 02:53:38,880
sideboards were were just there's too

4404
02:53:38,880 --> 02:53:41,920
many that were needed in order to fit

4405
02:53:41,920 --> 02:53:44,319
the zone to the area and we feel that

4406
02:53:44,319 --> 02:53:46,960
the existing MUR zone provides

4407
02:53:46,960 --> 02:53:49,680
flexibility and fulfills that vision and

4408
02:53:49,680 --> 02:53:53,520
so the zone change isn't necessary.

4409
02:53:53,520 --> 02:53:54,960
>> Okay. Okay, I tend to agree with you

4410
02:53:54,960 --> 02:53:57,439
that the way it exists right now, there

4411
02:53:57,439 --> 02:54:00,319
is that flexibility from the uses that

4412
02:54:00,319 --> 02:54:02,720
are the continued uses that are going on

4413
02:54:02,720 --> 02:54:05,840
that provide a you know quite a range.

4414
02:54:05,840 --> 02:54:08,240
Um and this area just because it was an

4415
02:54:08,240 --> 02:54:11,120
industrial area before doesn't need mean

4416
02:54:11,120 --> 02:54:12,960
it needs to stay that way. I look at

4417
02:54:12,960 --> 02:54:15,920
Riverfront Park and the changes

4418
02:54:15,920 --> 02:54:18,319
that occurred over over time and what it

4419
02:54:18,319 --> 02:54:20,160
looks like now. um you know it doesn't

4420
02:54:20,160 --> 02:54:24,560
have to remain an industrial area. So um

4421
02:54:24,560 --> 02:54:26,560
where am I? I'm looking for my question

4422
02:54:26,560 --> 02:54:31,990
here.

4423
02:54:32,000 --> 02:54:34,160
Yeah, the fact that the any kind of a

4424
02:54:34,160 --> 02:54:36,319
change really isn't compatible with the

4425
02:54:36,319 --> 02:54:38,720
long range plan for that area concerns

4426
02:54:38,720 --> 02:54:41,520
me. Um thank you for the information. I

4427
02:54:41,520 --> 02:54:44,640
don't have any other questions.

4428
02:54:44,640 --> 02:54:48,389
Councelor Matthews,

4429
02:54:48,399 --> 02:54:50,000
» I just wanted to ask about the easement

4430
02:54:50,000 --> 02:54:52,479
access part. Um, so you mentioned in in

4431
02:54:52,479 --> 02:54:54,000
your presentation, I think the opponent

4432
02:54:54,000 --> 02:54:56,640
mentioned it as well. I couldn't tell.

4433
02:54:56,640 --> 02:54:58,240
Was the easement access zoning

4434
02:54:58,240 --> 02:54:59,920
restriction where the two zones need to

4435
02:54:59,920 --> 02:55:01,920
be the same traditionally.

4436
02:55:01,920 --> 02:55:04,640
Is that actually part of our code that needs to happen or has that just

4437
02:55:04,640 --> 02:55:06,479
been a practice that has been kind of

4438
02:55:06,479 --> 02:55:08,160
consistent but not necessarily actually

4439
02:55:08,160 --> 02:55:10,080
our code? It's been a code

4440
02:55:10,080 --> 02:55:12,399
interpretation uh that's been you know

4441
02:55:12,399 --> 02:55:13,840
in in the form of a formal

4442
02:55:13,840 --> 02:55:15,760
interpretation a couple times and backed

4443
02:55:15,760 --> 02:55:19,200
by city attorneys going back years and it's kind of a fun fundamental

4444
02:55:19,200 --> 02:55:21,439
question of what you know what is the

4445
02:55:21,439 --> 02:55:23,439
use of a property and then the things

4446
02:55:23,439 --> 02:55:24,960
that go along with the use of the

4447
02:55:24,960 --> 02:55:27,600
property. So parking you know driveways

4448
02:55:27,600 --> 02:55:28,960
those are all part of the use of the

4449
02:55:28,960 --> 02:55:30,720
property. though if you have a zone that

4450
02:55:30,720 --> 02:55:33,200
let's say allowed industrial services in

4451
02:55:33,200 --> 02:55:40,000
the IC zone if this were to change to IC u IC uh industrial service use and

4452
02:55:40,000 --> 02:55:42,080
now they they need to drive along that

4453
02:55:42,080 --> 02:55:44,720
easement and cross that MUR zone MUR

4454
02:55:44,720 --> 02:55:46,720
zone doesn't allow industrial services

4455
02:55:46,720 --> 02:55:49,520
so because the access the driveways the

4456
02:55:49,520 --> 02:55:50,960
parking all of that associated with the

4457
02:55:50,960 --> 02:55:53,120
use is has been interpreted and you know

4458
02:55:53,120 --> 02:55:55,520
through formal code interpretations you

4459
02:55:55,520 --> 02:55:57,120
know in the in the past and those are

4460
02:55:57,120 --> 02:55:58,560
binding you know under the code any a

4461
02:55:58,560 --> 02:56:00,160
formal interpretation is binding on

4462
02:56:00,160 --> 02:56:01,760
subsequent interpretations unless a new

4463
02:56:01,760 --> 02:56:03,760
interpretation is issued uh by the

4464
02:56:03,760 --> 02:56:05,520
council or you know the the authority

4465
02:56:05,520 --> 02:56:07,439
that has under the code that has the

4466
02:56:07,439 --> 02:56:09,359
authority to issue those interpretations

4467
02:56:09,359 --> 02:56:13,279
then uh uh then yeah you couldn't cross

4468
02:56:13,279 --> 02:56:15,920
the MUR zone to get to your industrial

4469
02:56:15,920 --> 02:56:17,760
service use because the MUR zone doesn't

4470
02:56:17,760 --> 02:56:20,800
allow industrial services and but like I

4471
02:56:20,800 --> 02:56:22,319
said though there's you know that's only

4472
02:56:22,319 --> 02:56:23,920
the west side it does the property has

4473
02:56:23,920 --> 02:56:27,120
frontage on on two three well you know

4474
02:56:27,120 --> 02:56:28,800
two streets and then a front with a

4475
02:56:28,800 --> 02:56:30,800
railroad, you know, on one side, but,

4476
02:56:30,800 --> 02:56:32,319
you know, there could be physical

4477
02:56:32,319 --> 02:56:34,319
changes to the site to maybe get a

4478
02:56:34,319 --> 02:56:36,479
driveway in off of the one of the public

4479
02:56:36,479 --> 02:56:38,319
streets rather than needing to. That

4480
02:56:38,319 --> 02:56:39,359
could takes that would take some

4481
02:56:39,359 --> 02:56:40,800
maneuvering and changing of the site a

4482
02:56:40,800 --> 02:56:43,040
little bit, but it wouldn't be like a

4483
02:56:43,040 --> 02:56:45,040
Yeah, you can't get access at all to the

4484
02:56:45,040 --> 02:56:46,880
property because of that.

4485
02:56:46,880 --> 02:56:49,600
And then um city attorney, I don't this

4486
02:56:49,600 --> 02:56:51,279
might be more of a question for you, but

4487
02:56:51,279 --> 02:56:53,120
the opponent kind of brought something

4488
02:56:53,120 --> 02:56:54,560
up which was essentially, and I'm going

4489
02:56:54,560 --> 02:56:57,600
to butcher the actual correct verbiage,

4490
02:56:57,600 --> 02:56:59,439
but essentially it sounded like in order

4491
02:56:59,439 --> 02:57:01,439
for there to be actually something that

4492
02:57:01,439 --> 02:57:04,880
qualifies for the u applicant to I guess

4493
02:57:04,880 --> 02:57:06,960
approve their appeal, there'd have to be

4494
02:57:06,960 --> 02:57:09,680
some change in the area. Is that the

4495
02:57:09,680 --> 02:57:12,560
understanding?

4496
02:57:12,560 --> 02:57:14,240
>> That's correct. can and Bryce can speak

4497
02:57:14,240 --> 02:57:15,680
to this as well, but one of the criteria

4498
02:57:15,680 --> 02:57:17,439
I believe for the zone changes there was

4499
02:57:17,439 --> 02:57:20,160
a there's a change in characteristics of

4500
02:57:20,160 --> 02:57:23,359
the area and I think the the applicant

4501
02:57:23,359 --> 02:57:27,359
can speak for themselves on that, but I I think the the opponent is saying

4502
02:57:27,359 --> 02:57:29,520
basically there hasn't been any change

4503
02:57:29,520 --> 02:57:34,960
that the the only change has been the move toward residential use and

4504
02:57:34,960 --> 02:57:37,200
mixed use as opposed to toward

4505
02:57:37,200 --> 02:57:39,359
industrial use.

4506
02:57:39,359 --> 02:57:40,880
>> I I would add one thing real quick, you

4507
02:57:40,880 --> 02:57:42,560
know. So if you look at the criteria

4508
02:57:42,560 --> 02:57:45,760
under 6425 sub 2A, you know, it gives

4509
02:57:45,760 --> 02:57:47,840
three three options, you know, and it

4510
02:57:47,840 --> 02:57:49,200
says that the minor comprehensive plan

4511
02:57:49,200 --> 02:57:50,720
map amendment is justified based on the

4512
02:57:50,720 --> 02:57:52,960
existence of one of the following and

4513
02:57:52,960 --> 02:57:55,439
one is alterations in circumstances.

4514
02:57:55,439 --> 02:57:57,200
Another is equal or better suited

4515
02:57:57,200 --> 02:57:59,279
designation and the third is conflict

4516
02:57:59,279 --> 02:58:01,600
between the comp plan and zoning. So,

4517
02:58:01,600 --> 02:58:03,520
uh, the one that the the opponent

4518
02:58:03,520 --> 02:58:06,399
identified was, you know, I1, which was

4519
02:58:06,399 --> 02:58:08,080
there's an alteration in circumstances,

4520
02:58:08,080 --> 02:58:09,760
and they were saying that, well, you

4521
02:58:09,760 --> 02:58:11,279
know, our Salem was the alteration of

4522
02:58:11,279 --> 02:58:12,800
circumstances. There hasn't been a push

4523
02:58:12,800 --> 02:58:14,479
to have more industrial in this area. It

4524
02:58:14,479 --> 02:58:17,040
was the change was that that's just one

4525
02:58:17,040 --> 02:58:18,640
of them that they can they can select

4526
02:58:18,640 --> 02:58:20,399
from, you know, it doesn't have to meet

4527
02:58:20,399 --> 02:58:21,680
all of them.

4528
02:58:21,680 --> 02:58:22,160
>> Yeah.

4529
02:58:22,160 --> 02:58:23,680
>> Okay. That that helps me to understand

4530
02:58:23,680 --> 02:58:25,840
kind of at least like what the Yeah.

4531
02:58:25,840 --> 02:58:28,080
what the argument is

4532
02:58:28,080 --> 02:58:29,439
and I don't know if this matters or not

4533
02:58:29,439 --> 02:58:31,040
but does like the fact that the Canary

4534
02:58:31,040 --> 02:58:32,880
project has kind of been put on hold for

4535
02:58:32,880 --> 02:58:34,160
the moment or that [clears throat] we

4536
02:58:34,160 --> 02:58:36,080
weren't able to pass the do those also

4537
02:58:36,080 --> 02:58:38,399
kind of fit within those that guideline

4538
02:58:38,399 --> 02:58:41,040
or is that kind of separate from this?

4539
02:58:41,040 --> 02:58:42,800
>> It's it's those are just items of

4540
02:58:42,800 --> 02:58:44,800
evidence in terms of the kind of what

4541
02:58:44,800 --> 02:58:46,560
we're trying to do to achieve the change

4542
02:58:46,560 --> 02:58:48,720
in the area. I you know I think it's you

4543
02:58:48,720 --> 02:58:52,399
know it's MUR zoning I I it doesn't

4544
02:58:52,399 --> 02:58:54,640
change the I think we still think MUR

4545
02:58:54,640 --> 02:58:56,399
zoning is the most appropriate based on

4546
02:58:56,399 --> 02:58:58,720
the criteria in this in this case

4547
02:58:58,720 --> 02:59:00,640
>> but like failure of doing that so far

4548
02:59:00,640 --> 02:59:02,240
has that doesn't actually indicate

4549
02:59:02,240 --> 02:59:02,960
anything

4550
02:59:02,960 --> 02:59:04,319
>> failure of the of the

4551
02:59:04,319 --> 02:59:06,560
>> of being able to accomplish that like

4552
02:59:06,560 --> 02:59:07,680
with the cran

4553
02:59:07,680 --> 02:59:11,279
>> of of the you know of how it well u it

4554
02:59:11,279 --> 02:59:11,920
doesn't

4555
02:59:11,920 --> 02:59:13,439
>> dependent upon with this body I suppose

4556
02:59:13,439 --> 02:59:14,240
that's what

4557
02:59:14,240 --> 02:59:15,520
>> you know and and that's a very big it's

4558
02:59:15,520 --> 02:59:17,279
a very big scale you Could something

4559
02:59:17,279 --> 02:59:19,520
come in, you know, without like three

4560
02:59:19,520 --> 02:59:21,200
mixed use building, sixtory, you know,

4561
02:59:21,200 --> 02:59:22,800
could you just have a, you know, like a

4562
02:59:22,800 --> 02:59:25,200
tax slot with a a modest, you know,

4563
02:59:25,200 --> 02:59:26,640
three-story building with ground floor

4564
02:59:26,640 --> 02:59:28,319
commercial that, you know, certainly

4565
02:59:28,319 --> 02:59:30,479
would maybe be easier to to bite off

4566
02:59:30,479 --> 02:59:32,560
than a than a wholesale redevelopment

4567
02:59:32,560 --> 02:59:34,800
like the Canary site kind of, honestly.

4568
02:59:34,800 --> 02:59:40,469
>> Got it. Thank you,

4569
02:59:40,479 --> 02:59:42,319
» Councelor Brown.

4570
02:59:42,319 --> 02:59:44,479
>> Oh, I thought Council G had a question.

4571
02:59:44,479 --> 02:59:47,359
Nope. Um, Mr. Bishop, thank you again.

4572
02:59:47,359 --> 02:59:48,880
Um,

4573
02:59:48,880 --> 02:59:50,319
so I think I know the answer to this

4574
02:59:50,319 --> 02:59:51,840
question, but I don't I don't want to

4575
02:59:51,840 --> 02:59:53,680
trust my own answer. I I want to trust

4576
02:59:53,680 --> 02:59:55,840
yours. You mentioned earlier that there

4577
02:59:55,840 --> 02:59:59,359
would be um use the word sideboards.

4578
02:59:59,359 --> 03:00:01,359
There'd be two there'd be too many

4579
03:00:01,359 --> 03:00:02,880
sideboards that we would have to

4580
03:00:02,880 --> 03:00:04,880
basically, you know, put in play to

4581
03:00:04,880 --> 03:00:08,000
allow this to happen. Um,

4582
03:00:08,000 --> 03:00:11,760
have we had to add that many sideboards

4583
03:00:11,760 --> 03:00:16,000
to possible proposals before? Well, if

4584
03:00:16,000 --> 03:00:19,680
you if you would uh well uh not not to

4585
03:00:19,680 --> 03:00:22,000
the extent that we have like for

4586
03:00:22,000 --> 03:00:24,000
instance in the Fairview Industrial Park

4587
03:00:24,000 --> 03:00:26,399
area, we've had it was IBC zoning, you

4588
03:00:26,399 --> 03:00:28,240
know, for many years and IBC zoning was

4589
03:00:28,240 --> 03:00:30,080
looked at as restrictive

4590
03:00:30,080 --> 03:00:32,640
>> and uh there were series of comp plan

4591
03:00:32,640 --> 03:00:34,479
zone changes where most of that IBC

4592
03:00:34,479 --> 03:00:35,840
district, you know, was changed to

4593
03:00:35,840 --> 03:00:38,560
industrial commercial and you know, as

4594
03:00:38,560 --> 03:00:40,160
part of the approval of those comp plan

4595
03:00:40,160 --> 03:00:43,200
zone changes, they uh applied the

4596
03:00:43,200 --> 03:00:45,840
development standards of the IC IBC zone

4597
03:00:45,840 --> 03:00:47,840
because there's better landscaping, you

4598
03:00:47,840 --> 03:00:49,439
know, because IBC is industrial business

4599
03:00:49,439 --> 03:00:52,640
park campus. It's, you know, it has it

4600
03:00:52,640 --> 03:00:54,720
looks better. It's nicer and, you know,

4601
03:00:54,720 --> 03:00:56,479
just better than what the icy zone would

4602
03:00:56,479 --> 03:00:58,479
you'd get with the IC zone. And so we

4603
03:00:58,479 --> 03:00:59,760
have done that in the past where we

4604
03:00:59,760 --> 03:01:02,080
apply development standards from the

4605
03:01:02,080 --> 03:01:04,319
zone that was going from to the new zone

4606
03:01:04,319 --> 03:01:09,279
and and adopted a a restricted list of uses. Now, what's different in this

4607
03:01:09,279 --> 03:01:12,160
case from staff's perspective is when we

4608
03:01:12,160 --> 03:01:14,479
look at the list of uses, if you if you

4609
03:01:14,479 --> 03:01:16,720
look at those in terms of uh what is

4610
03:01:16,720 --> 03:01:18,319
proposed by the applicant in their

4611
03:01:18,319 --> 03:01:20,080
testimony tonight, in their latest

4612
03:01:20,080 --> 03:01:22,960
testimony, uh yes, they have they've

4613
03:01:22,960 --> 03:01:24,640
proposed industrial services to be

4614
03:01:24,640 --> 03:01:27,920
conditional uh and manufacturing to be

4615
03:01:27,920 --> 03:01:29,520
uh permitted in some and then, you know,

4616
03:01:29,520 --> 03:01:31,200
conditional for the remainder. But then

4617
03:01:31,200 --> 03:01:33,120
it also allows, you know, building

4618
03:01:33,120 --> 03:01:34,560
ground services in construction

4619
03:01:34,560 --> 03:01:37,439
contracting, uh,

4620
03:01:37,439 --> 03:01:38,720
warehousing and distribution,

4621
03:01:38,720 --> 03:01:40,800
self-service storage. Those are all, you

4622
03:01:40,800 --> 03:01:42,800
know, outright permitted uses. So what

4623
03:01:42,800 --> 03:01:44,560
could happen, you know, is if somebody

4624
03:01:44,560 --> 03:01:46,960
buys the property and they look at that

4625
03:01:46,960 --> 03:01:48,240
warehouse building and they think, uh,

4626
03:01:48,240 --> 03:01:49,439
doesn't work for us. We want to raise

4627
03:01:49,439 --> 03:01:51,760
it. We want to build new. You could now

4628
03:01:51,760 --> 03:01:53,920
have under, if this zone were approved,

4629
03:01:53,920 --> 03:01:55,680
a, you know, a warehousing and

4630
03:01:55,680 --> 03:01:57,760
distribution facility or a self-service

4631
03:01:57,760 --> 03:01:59,279
storage, a bunch of, you know, you know,

4632
03:01:59,279 --> 03:02:01,439
many, many warehouses on that property,

4633
03:02:01,439 --> 03:02:03,760
brand new development, you know, for

4634
03:02:03,760 --> 03:02:06,640
years to come. And that would, you know,

4635
03:02:06,640 --> 03:02:08,640
and and that would take property, you

4636
03:02:08,640 --> 03:02:10,319
know, out from possibly transitioning

4637
03:02:10,319 --> 03:02:11,920
into something, but we want to see to

4638
03:02:11,920 --> 03:02:14,000
like it's probably firmly in place. if

4639
03:02:14,000 --> 03:02:15,439
you're going to redevelop the side and

4640
03:02:15,439 --> 03:02:18,319
do, you know, a warehousing building, a

4641
03:02:18,319 --> 03:02:20,000
brand new warehousing building, it's not

4642
03:02:20,000 --> 03:02:21,920
going anywhere anytime soon, you know.

4643
03:02:21,920 --> 03:02:27,200
So, you know, we I guess uh that, you

4644
03:02:27,200 --> 03:02:28,399
know, previously when we had discussions

4645
03:02:28,399 --> 03:02:29,760
with the applicant and all candidness,

4646
03:02:29,760 --> 03:02:33,200
we, you know, an ability to say, "Here's

4647
03:02:33,200 --> 03:02:35,439
uses that you only get in the existing

4648
03:02:35,439 --> 03:02:37,520
building. If you're going to redevelop a

4649
03:02:37,520 --> 03:02:40,720
site, here's the uses that you would get

4650
03:02:40,720 --> 03:02:42,240
for redevelopment only. And those would

4651
03:02:42,240 --> 03:02:44,560
be in line with the MUR. If we if there

4652
03:02:44,560 --> 03:02:45,920
was the ability to do something like

4653
03:02:45,920 --> 03:02:48,160
that, you know, that would be I you

4654
03:02:48,160 --> 03:02:50,080
know, better than allowing like some of

4655
03:02:50,080 --> 03:02:51,920
these uses just outright permitted,

4656
03:02:51,920 --> 03:02:53,279
>> but that was not a part of

4657
03:02:53,279 --> 03:02:54,560
>> but we've never gone that far. We've

4658
03:02:54,560 --> 03:02:56,560
never we've never conditioned a decision

4659
03:02:56,560 --> 03:02:59,439
that to that extent before.

4660
03:02:59,439 --> 03:03:01,359
>> Again, it's making like a brand new zone

4661
03:03:01,359 --> 03:03:03,439
that doesn't that that doesn't exist.

4662
03:03:03,439 --> 03:03:04,880
And then it kind of circles back to the

4663
03:03:04,880 --> 03:03:06,560
question if you have to condition that

4664
03:03:06,560 --> 03:03:09,520
zone so intensively how can you make it

4665
03:03:09,520 --> 03:03:10,640
how can you say that it's equal or

4666
03:03:10,640 --> 03:03:13,200
better suited or or it's you know so

4667
03:03:13,200 --> 03:03:16,080
that argument

4668
03:03:16,080 --> 03:03:17,840
>> uh Mr. Bishop, thank you. I know there's

4669
03:03:17,840 --> 03:03:19,200
another question somewhere, Madame

4670
03:03:19,200 --> 03:03:20,640
Mayor, but I can't seem to find it at

4671
03:03:20,640 --> 03:03:22,960
the moment.

4672
03:03:22,960 --> 03:03:23,359
>> Anyone?

4673
03:03:23,359 --> 03:03:25,920
>> Oh, yeah. I guess there Yeah, they're they're pointing out to me.

4674
03:03:25,920 --> 03:03:26,800
There's a couple things I want to

4675
03:03:26,800 --> 03:03:28,479
correct for the record. Uh, in terms of

4676
03:03:28,479 --> 03:03:31,040
the notice, uh, we for our Salem

4677
03:03:31,040 --> 03:03:32,640
process, notice goes to the property

4678
03:03:32,640 --> 03:03:34,479
owners as required, not not to the

4679
03:03:34,479 --> 03:03:36,000
current tenants. So, it would have went

4680
03:03:36,000 --> 03:03:37,920
to the actual, you know, owner, not not

4681
03:03:37,920 --> 03:03:39,520
the tenant of the building. So, the

4682
03:03:39,520 --> 03:03:41,040
owner would have, you know, gotten that

4683
03:03:41,040 --> 03:03:43,600
notice. And then in terms of the uh the

4684
03:03:43,600 --> 03:03:45,920
property was not zoned IG. It was IC in

4685
03:03:45,920 --> 03:03:48,080
the past and then it you know and then

4686
03:03:48,080 --> 03:03:49,600
it was then this would be going back to

4687
03:03:49,600 --> 03:03:53,359
IC. It wasn't general industrial.

4688
03:03:53,359 --> 03:03:54,960
>> Councelor Brown.

4689
03:03:54,960 --> 03:03:56,960
>> Um I want to read something. I want to

4690
03:03:56,960 --> 03:03:58,880
read something and it's something that I

4691
03:03:58,880 --> 03:04:00,960
think Miss Margaret it's I think it's

4692
03:04:00,960 --> 03:04:03,040
from you or it could be a member of our

4693
03:04:03,040 --> 03:04:04,720
staff but either way I just want to read

4694
03:04:04,720 --> 03:04:07,520
this Mr. Bishop and and there's going to

4695
03:04:07,520 --> 03:04:09,359
be a question here and the question is

4696
03:04:09,359 --> 03:04:10,640
going to be just help me make sense of

4697
03:04:10,640 --> 03:04:13,760
this. Um so this is what it says. It

4698
03:04:13,760 --> 03:04:15,760
says the this is there's not a page

4699
03:04:15,760 --> 03:04:17,920
number. Yeah, it's on page six just in

4700
03:04:17,920 --> 03:04:20,080
case of the if my colleagues wanted to

4701
03:04:20,080 --> 03:04:23,279
see it. So in this middle paragraph,

4702
03:04:23,279 --> 03:04:25,840
this is what it says. It says the

4703
03:04:25,840 --> 03:04:29,040
continue use provision under SRC blank

4704
03:04:29,040 --> 03:04:32,479
only applies to uses which existed and

4705
03:04:32,479 --> 03:04:35,040
were established on the property as of

4706
03:04:35,040 --> 03:04:37,439
August of 2022.

4707
03:04:37,439 --> 03:04:40,880
It does not apply to any historical uses

4708
03:04:40,880 --> 03:04:44,080
of the property. And as noted by staff,

4709
03:04:44,080 --> 03:04:47,200
once a use is terminated and replaced

4710
03:04:47,200 --> 03:04:50,560
with a use allowed within the zone, the

4711
03:04:50,560 --> 03:04:54,399
continued use cannot be brought back.

4712
03:04:54,399 --> 03:04:56,800
That's pretty standard across the board

4713
03:04:56,800 --> 03:04:58,319
>> for this. Yeah, that's what a continued

4714
03:04:58,319 --> 03:05:00,000
use is, you know, in this zone.

4715
03:05:00,000 --> 03:05:00,399
>> Yes,

4716
03:05:00,399 --> 03:05:02,080
>> for this. But is that a continued

4717
03:05:02,080 --> 03:05:03,520
practice?

4718
03:05:03,520 --> 03:05:05,520
>> We we we have different approaches, you

4719
03:05:05,520 --> 03:05:09,359
know, to, you know, in in zones where we

4720
03:05:09,359 --> 03:05:10,880
there's one mechanism when you change a

4721
03:05:10,880 --> 03:05:12,479
zone or or amend a code, you could just

4722
03:05:12,479 --> 03:05:14,240
make it non-conforming. You know, like

4723
03:05:14,240 --> 03:05:16,319
use was allowed, you got your news your

4724
03:05:16,319 --> 03:05:18,240
different zone, you were there, the

4725
03:05:18,240 --> 03:05:19,680
zone, the use isn't allowed anymore,

4726
03:05:19,680 --> 03:05:20,960
you're just non-conforming. And our

4727
03:05:20,960 --> 03:05:22,960
non-conforming chapter would say if the

4728
03:05:22,960 --> 03:05:25,359
building burns down or it's damaged to

4729
03:05:25,359 --> 03:05:26,800
the extent that the cost of rebuilding

4730
03:05:26,800 --> 03:05:28,560
and exceeds 60% of the cost of building

4731
03:05:28,560 --> 03:05:31,040
a new the use terminates and you're out

4732
03:05:31,040 --> 03:05:32,560
of luck. You don't get a you know you

4733
03:05:32,560 --> 03:05:34,800
don't get to reestablish that use where

4734
03:05:34,800 --> 03:05:38,000
in order to uh to be to be flexible

4735
03:05:38,000 --> 03:05:39,840
recognize existing conditions and try to

4736
03:05:39,840 --> 03:05:41,600
promote incremental change over time

4737
03:05:41,600 --> 03:05:43,120
toward because we understand that it's

4738
03:05:43,120 --> 03:05:46,080
hard to you know you can't there has to

4739
03:05:46,080 --> 03:05:48,560
be some ability to transition from point

4740
03:05:48,560 --> 03:05:51,120
A to a future point. We we add these

4741
03:05:51,120 --> 03:05:53,120
oftentimes either continued use and

4742
03:05:53,120 --> 03:05:55,120
continue development provisions and

4743
03:05:55,120 --> 03:05:56,960
they've evolved in the code over time

4744
03:05:56,960 --> 03:05:58,640
you know from what they used to be in

4745
03:05:58,640 --> 03:06:00,399
the code and then how they were in the

4746
03:06:00,399 --> 03:06:02,960
during the UDC original UDC to how they

4747
03:06:02,960 --> 03:06:04,640
are now in some of these new zones but

4748
03:06:04,640 --> 03:06:07,120
the concept is the same you know the use

4749
03:06:07,120 --> 03:06:09,120
can continue you know the building that

4750
03:06:09,120 --> 03:06:11,200
the that the use is dependent upon can

4751
03:06:11,200 --> 03:06:13,359
be altered enlarged or rebuilt you know

4752
03:06:13,359 --> 03:06:15,760
if it's destroyed and if it sits and if

4753
03:06:15,760 --> 03:06:17,600
it goes vacant for any period of time as

4754
03:06:17,600 --> 03:06:18,960
long as another use doesn't come in

4755
03:06:18,960 --> 03:06:20,560
there that's allowed they can come back

4756
03:06:20,560 --> 03:06:22,640
in with that previous use and and put it

4757
03:06:22,640 --> 03:06:23,439
back in,

4758
03:06:23,439 --> 03:06:25,520
>> you know. So that is that is AC pretty

4759
03:06:25,520 --> 03:06:26,640
much across the board for how we're

4760
03:06:26,640 --> 03:06:28,240
dealing with continued uses.

4761
03:06:28,240 --> 03:06:29,920
>> Okay. Thank you, sir. Madame Mayor, are

4762
03:06:29,920 --> 03:06:30,560
you the floor?

4763
03:06:30,560 --> 03:06:32,800
>> Oh, can I ununice would like to Unice

4764
03:06:32,800 --> 03:06:34,479
Kim would like to speak real quick?

4765
03:06:34,479 --> 03:06:37,279
That's okay.

4766
03:06:37,279 --> 03:06:38,240
>> Is there any question?

4767
03:06:38,240 --> 03:06:40,880
>> Are you responding to Go right ahead?

4768
03:06:40,880 --> 03:06:43,520
>> Uh, good evening. Ununice Kim, senior

4769
03:06:43,520 --> 03:06:45,680
manager of strategic initiatives and

4770
03:06:45,680 --> 03:06:48,479
engagement. Um, I just wanted to add on

4771
03:06:48,479 --> 03:06:50,080
to what Bryce was saying. I think there

4772
03:06:50,080 --> 03:06:51,600
was a question around the happy medium

4773
03:06:51,600 --> 03:06:54,240
and kind of continued uses. And you

4774
03:06:54,240 --> 03:06:55,680
know, when we did the R Salem project,

4775
03:06:55,680 --> 03:06:57,359
we did extensive outreach across the

4776
03:06:57,359 --> 03:06:59,120
community to really understand what the

4777
03:06:59,120 --> 03:07:00,880
future of this area should be, could be

4778
03:07:00,880 --> 03:07:03,840
based on the community's vision. And we

4779
03:07:03,840 --> 03:07:05,920
understood during that project that this

4780
03:07:05,920 --> 03:07:08,560
area is an area in transition or could

4781
03:07:08,560 --> 03:07:10,240
be transitioning or would need to

4782
03:07:10,240 --> 03:07:13,680
transition to get to that vision. Um so

4783
03:07:13,680 --> 03:07:15,680
while we did extensive extensive

4784
03:07:15,680 --> 03:07:17,200
engagement in the community we also did

4785
03:07:17,200 --> 03:07:19,040
targeted engagement whether it was

4786
03:07:19,040 --> 03:07:20,640
working with property owners businesses

4787
03:07:20,640 --> 03:07:23,920
the chamber and this mur zone was

4788
03:07:23,920 --> 03:07:26,000
created during that process it was a

4789
03:07:26,000 --> 03:07:28,560
heavily discussed and negotiated zone

4790
03:07:28,560 --> 03:07:30,160
that's why you see this flexibility

4791
03:07:30,160 --> 03:07:32,080
because it's trying to recognize that

4792
03:07:32,080 --> 03:07:33,680
this area is transitioning. So the idea

4793
03:07:33,680 --> 03:07:35,600
of the continued uses came into this

4794
03:07:35,600 --> 03:07:37,920
zone and the idea of having allowing

4795
03:07:37,920 --> 03:07:40,399
some retail or some manufacturing and

4796
03:07:40,399 --> 03:07:41,920
some wholesale, you know, it's

4797
03:07:41,920 --> 03:07:44,000
restricted to the 10,000 square ft. It's

4798
03:07:44,000 --> 03:07:46,160
restricted to having some retail and

4799
03:07:46,160 --> 03:07:48,080
those are specifically put into that

4800
03:07:48,080 --> 03:07:50,080
zone when that zone was created because

4801
03:07:50,080 --> 03:07:51,600
we recognized when we were working with

4802
03:07:51,600 --> 03:07:53,680
the chamber and others this that this

4803
03:07:53,680 --> 03:07:55,200
area is not going to just change

4804
03:07:55,200 --> 03:07:57,840
overnight and to to keep it viable for

4805
03:07:57,840 --> 03:08:00,160
what buildings are there today and but

4806
03:08:00,160 --> 03:08:02,000
still allow it to transition over time.

4807
03:08:02,000 --> 03:08:03,760
there was a lot of provisions put into

4808
03:08:03,760 --> 03:08:07,040
this MUR zone and so that was uh at the

4809
03:08:07,040 --> 03:08:09,120
time our happy medium for that zone that

4810
03:08:09,120 --> 03:08:12,710
was created.

4811
03:08:12,720 --> 03:08:14,240
» Mr. City Attorney, did you have

4812
03:08:14,240 --> 03:08:16,720
something?

4813
03:08:16,720 --> 03:08:17,840
>> Councelor Brown,

4814
03:08:17,840 --> 03:08:21,040
>> thank you. Uh Madame Mayor, thank you

4815
03:08:21,040 --> 03:08:22,960
for that clarity, the historical

4816
03:08:22,960 --> 03:08:25,120
knowledge. And would it be fair to say

4817
03:08:25,120 --> 03:08:27,840
that since a lot of that work was

4818
03:08:27,840 --> 03:08:31,920
deliberately done what four years ago,

4819
03:08:31,920 --> 03:08:33,600
there was intentionality to make sure

4820
03:08:33,600 --> 03:08:36,160
that

4821
03:08:36,160 --> 03:08:38,319
we create something that's going to fit

4822
03:08:38,319 --> 03:08:40,880
in with the vision that we want to have.

4823
03:08:40,880 --> 03:08:41,920
Would that be fair?

4824
03:08:41,920 --> 03:08:44,479
>> Correct. And would it be fair to say

4825
03:08:44,479 --> 03:08:47,520
that the direction that this applicant

4826
03:08:47,520 --> 03:08:51,120
would like that property to go does not

4827
03:08:51,120 --> 03:08:54,160
fit within the vision that we have.

4828
03:08:54,160 --> 03:08:55,680
>> It would be going back to what it was

4829
03:08:55,680 --> 03:08:56,880
before the vision was established.

4830
03:08:56,880 --> 03:08:59,359
>> That's what I thought. Thank you, Madam

4831
03:08:59,359 --> 03:09:05,670
Mayor.

4832
03:09:05,680 --> 03:09:07,279
» I do have a question. Oh, would you get

4833
03:09:07,279 --> 03:09:10,399
five minutes? Yes, please come. Go right

4834
03:09:10,399 --> 03:09:12,000
ahead. Did you have another question

4835
03:09:12,000 --> 03:09:13,760
before I start? No,

4836
03:09:13,760 --> 03:09:16,399
>> no, go right ahead.

4837
03:09:16,399 --> 03:09:18,960
>> Again, Margaret Gandervo, attorney for

4838
03:09:18,960 --> 03:09:21,279
the applicant. Regarding the criteria

4839
03:09:21,279 --> 03:09:23,680
that Dean brought up, I just want to

4840
03:09:23,680 --> 03:09:25,439
emphasize that there are three

4841
03:09:25,439 --> 03:09:28,880
alternative criteria. You can choose any

4842
03:09:28,880 --> 03:09:31,040
one of the three. We provided findings

4843
03:09:31,040 --> 03:09:35,680
for all three, but we do satisfy the

4844
03:09:35,680 --> 03:09:37,840
applicable approval criteria for equally

4845
03:09:37,840 --> 03:09:39,359
better, which is one of the three

4846
03:09:39,359 --> 03:09:42,800
alternatives. Um, regarding the

4847
03:09:42,800 --> 03:09:46,080
testimony from the former assistant

4848
03:09:46,080 --> 03:09:47,520
property manager,

4849
03:09:47,520 --> 03:09:50,240
>> property manager, um, it sounds like

4850
03:09:50,240 --> 03:09:52,399
some of that was the property to the

4851
03:09:52,399 --> 03:09:54,640
north of us. We don't have a paint

4852
03:09:54,640 --> 03:09:58,399
person who is an existing tenant. And

4853
03:09:58,399 --> 03:10:00,479
then I also wanted to specify that for

4854
03:10:00,479 --> 03:10:02,800
the easement while there is an existing

4855
03:10:02,800 --> 03:10:04,640
easement there is additional space

4856
03:10:04,640 --> 03:10:06,960
within that framework too to provide

4857
03:10:06,960 --> 03:10:09,520
access there. So upon if there were to

4858
03:10:09,520 --> 03:10:11,840
be redevelopment or a change in use that

4859
03:10:11,840 --> 03:10:14,800
required access from that access

4860
03:10:14,800 --> 03:10:16,560
easement again we have other access

4861
03:10:16,560 --> 03:10:20,720
points we would be able to modify the

4862
03:10:20,720 --> 03:10:22,399
fence line there to provide the

4863
03:10:22,399 --> 03:10:24,720
additional width that would be needed.

4864
03:10:24,720 --> 03:10:26,240
Um,

4865
03:10:26,240 --> 03:10:29,680
I also wanted to flag again because this

4866
03:10:29,680 --> 03:10:33,520
came up in the south block discussion,

4867
03:10:33,520 --> 03:10:36,319
the kind of interaction between

4868
03:10:36,319 --> 03:10:39,920
pedestrians and the railroad.

4869
03:10:39,920 --> 03:10:42,399
This the south block area is actually a

4870
03:10:42,399 --> 03:10:44,720
pretty good demonstration of how the

4871
03:10:44,720 --> 03:10:47,200
railroad kind of is in charge of what

4872
03:10:47,200 --> 03:10:50,000
happens in its right of way. There is

4873
03:10:50,000 --> 03:10:51,840
supposed to be a pedestrian connection

4874
03:10:51,840 --> 03:10:54,720
across the tracks by South Block to

4875
03:10:54,720 --> 03:10:57,279
provide access to Riverfront Park and

4876
03:10:57,279 --> 03:10:59,840
that doesn't exist because the railroad

4877
03:10:59,840 --> 03:11:02,720
won't allow it to. So when we're looking

4878
03:11:02,720 --> 03:11:04,800
at kind of the redevelopment of this

4879
03:11:04,800 --> 03:11:07,359
area and pedestrianoriented

4880
03:11:07,359 --> 03:11:10,080
facilities, that railroad is going to be

4881
03:11:10,080 --> 03:11:12,560
a barrier to that if they choose to be.

4882
03:11:12,560 --> 03:11:14,880
and the city doesn't have the ability to

4883
03:11:14,880 --> 03:11:18,880
force them to change their structure to

4884
03:11:18,880 --> 03:11:22,720
meet some of these goals. Um,

4885
03:11:22,720 --> 03:11:25,680
I also just wanted to emphasize that in

4886
03:11:25,680 --> 03:11:30,720
response to Ununice's comments there,

4887
03:11:30,720 --> 03:11:33,359
that process was in-depth and intensive

4888
03:11:33,359 --> 03:11:36,720
and we don't discount that. But again,

4889
03:11:36,720 --> 03:11:40,000
the code provides flexibility through a

4890
03:11:40,000 --> 03:11:43,279
zone change process to allow corrections

4891
03:11:43,279 --> 03:11:45,359
where a property owner believes that

4892
03:11:45,359 --> 03:11:48,160
mistakes have been made. Criteria is set

4893
03:11:48,160 --> 03:11:51,680
out and we have demonstrated with

4894
03:11:51,680 --> 03:11:53,920
sufficient evidence in the record that

4895
03:11:53,920 --> 03:11:55,520
we meet the applicable approval

4896
03:11:55,520 --> 03:11:58,800
criteria. We're coming with these

4897
03:11:58,800 --> 03:12:01,040
additional limitations on usage as a

4898
03:12:01,040 --> 03:12:04,160
good faith effort to respond to concerns

4899
03:12:04,160 --> 03:12:06,479
that the city has raised above the

4900
03:12:06,479 --> 03:12:08,720
criteria that we believe have already

4901
03:12:08,720 --> 03:12:11,520
been satisfied. And so in that posture,

4902
03:12:11,520 --> 03:12:13,920
these additional limitations are

4903
03:12:13,920 --> 03:12:15,680
something that the applicant is offering

4904
03:12:15,680 --> 03:12:19,520
to the city as a path forward. Um,

4905
03:12:19,520 --> 03:12:22,640
finally, I just want to emphasize that

4906
03:12:22,640 --> 03:12:26,240
while the MUR does provide some

4907
03:12:26,240 --> 03:12:29,439
flexibility, the IC is also positioned

4908
03:12:29,439 --> 03:12:32,479
in the code as a as a zone for

4909
03:12:32,479 --> 03:12:35,040
transition. It provides buffering

4910
03:12:35,040 --> 03:12:37,520
between less intensive uses and

4911
03:12:37,520 --> 03:12:39,520
industrial uses, which if you remember

4912
03:12:39,520 --> 03:12:41,680
the map that we had earlier, those

4913
03:12:41,680 --> 03:12:46,399
industrial general uses are kind of in

4914
03:12:46,399 --> 03:12:48,560
need of a buffer, which our property

4915
03:12:48,560 --> 03:12:51,279
could provide as a less intensive use to

4916
03:12:51,279 --> 03:12:54,640
then step down into the MUR zone. And

4917
03:12:54,640 --> 03:12:56,800
there would be consistency in

4918
03:12:56,800 --> 03:12:58,960
residential uses and many of the mixed

4919
03:12:58,960 --> 03:13:01,680
uses that are permitted in the MUR zone

4920
03:13:01,680 --> 03:13:05,040
for redevelopment of this property.

4921
03:13:05,040 --> 03:13:09,200
Changing from MUR to IC doesn't lock in

4922
03:13:09,200 --> 03:13:12,960
only industrial uses. It allows for a

4923
03:13:12,960 --> 03:13:15,359
transition like the one that Ununice is

4924
03:13:15,359 --> 03:13:18,000
describing in her testimony.

4925
03:13:18,000 --> 03:13:20,720
Um, with that, I think I'm done for this

4926
03:13:20,720 --> 03:13:23,520
evening. Thank you for

4927
03:13:23,520 --> 03:13:25,439
um your time. We appreciate it.

4928
03:13:25,439 --> 03:13:26,960
>> Thank you. Does anyone have questions?

4929
03:13:26,960 --> 03:13:30,319
Councelor Matthews,

4930
03:13:30,319 --> 03:13:31,680
>> can I ask just from the applicant's

4931
03:13:31,680 --> 03:13:33,680
perspective at this point, do you feel

4932
03:13:33,680 --> 03:13:35,680
that there is fully an impass at this

4933
03:13:35,680 --> 03:13:37,200
point that there's not really a middle I

4934
03:13:37,200 --> 03:13:39,920
know you guys presented a a proposal. I

4935
03:13:39,920 --> 03:13:40,880
think you guys have probably already

4936
03:13:40,880 --> 03:13:43,120
presented that previously and so do you

4937
03:13:43,120 --> 03:13:44,319
feel at this point that there is an

4938
03:13:44,319 --> 03:13:46,640
impass that there's not a middle ground

4939
03:13:46,640 --> 03:13:48,560
that can be found prior to a final

4940
03:13:48,560 --> 03:13:50,720
decision here tonight with this hearing?

4941
03:13:50,720 --> 03:13:53,600
No, we're open to a discussion. I think

4942
03:13:53,600 --> 03:13:56,800
Bryce mentioned the existing building

4943
03:13:56,800 --> 03:13:59,920
construct. We had provided a red line

4944
03:13:59,920 --> 03:14:01,680
including that. I think that's probably

4945
03:14:01,680 --> 03:14:06,160
in the emails. Um it so we're open to

4946
03:14:06,160 --> 03:14:08,319
finding a path forward here. If further

4947
03:14:08,319 --> 03:14:10,399
discussion is needed, we're open to

4948
03:14:10,399 --> 03:14:13,120
that. We just have we feel that staff's

4949
03:14:13,120 --> 03:14:15,040
position is

4950
03:14:15,040 --> 03:14:17,359
this is beyond what they're willing to

4951
03:14:17,359 --> 03:14:20,160
look at. And so we're coming to you as

4952
03:14:20,160 --> 03:14:22,960
the decision makers and asking you to

4953
03:14:22,960 --> 03:14:28,790
make a decision.

4954
03:14:28,800 --> 03:14:30,160
» I would like Go ahead.

4955
03:14:30,160 --> 03:14:31,120
>> No, go ahead.

4956
03:14:31,120 --> 03:14:34,000
>> I would like to ask or make a point

4957
03:14:34,000 --> 03:14:37,120
maybe. Um when this was all going down

4958
03:14:37,120 --> 03:14:39,359
and the switch was made and R Salem was

4959
03:14:39,359 --> 03:14:45,439
considered and it became MU 3 um

4960
03:14:45,439 --> 03:14:48,640
the property owner was on hospice

4961
03:14:48,640 --> 03:14:50,960
so notification might have been sent but

4962
03:14:50,960 --> 03:14:52,880
it's possible it wasn't received.

4963
03:14:52,880 --> 03:14:55,680
>> Oh I'm sure. Yeah. We're not questioning

4964
03:14:55,680 --> 03:14:58,000
whether notice was sent appropriately.

4965
03:14:58,000 --> 03:15:01,520
>> Yeah. Um, first of all, I have a

4966
03:15:01,520 --> 03:15:05,680
compassion for that moment and want to

4967
03:15:05,680 --> 03:15:09,040
be considerate of, you know, a personal

4968
03:15:09,040 --> 03:15:12,720
situation. I know from my own personal

4969
03:15:12,720 --> 03:15:16,239
experience that the project um, uh, at

4970
03:15:16,239 --> 03:15:19,680
the Canery is slow

4971
03:15:19,680 --> 03:15:21,760
to come. It doesn't mean that I don't

4972
03:15:21,760 --> 03:15:23,120
want a whole bunch of really wonderful

4973
03:15:23,120 --> 03:15:25,279
things down on the riverfront. Um, but

4974
03:15:25,279 --> 03:15:26,800
it seems that we're tying the hands of

4975
03:15:26,800 --> 03:15:30,479
the property owner to not be able to try

4976
03:15:30,479 --> 03:15:32,319
to do more with that property.

4977
03:15:32,319 --> 03:15:34,880
Personally, I've also become familiar

4978
03:15:34,880 --> 03:15:37,200
with easements that seem to belong to no

4979
03:15:37,200 --> 03:15:40,399
one and and sometimes just don't aren't

4980
03:15:40,399 --> 03:15:42,319
helpful. And maybe there's something

4981
03:15:42,319 --> 03:15:44,479
that we can work out about that. I don't

4982
03:15:44,479 --> 03:15:48,239
know. So, that's it's more uh amenable

4983
03:15:48,239 --> 03:15:51,760
to the prop the uh apartment living, you

4984
03:15:51,760 --> 03:15:55,760
know. I'm not sure about that. Um, but I

4985
03:15:55,760 --> 03:15:58,720
also am aware that, you know, like

4986
03:15:58,720 --> 03:16:01,200
Maiden, Oregon left town this week. The

4987
03:16:01,200 --> 03:16:02,560
capital city doesn't have a Maiden,

4988
03:16:02,560 --> 03:16:05,200
Oregon store anymore. And that's

4989
03:16:05,200 --> 03:16:06,880
frustrating to me to have all this

4990
03:16:06,880 --> 03:16:09,680
vacancy and this inability to move

4991
03:16:09,680 --> 03:16:12,319
because we've created a plan that

4992
03:16:12,319 --> 03:16:14,640
encompasses an area and this particular

4993
03:16:14,640 --> 03:16:18,080
property is is the end of that area. And

4994
03:16:18,080 --> 03:16:20,319
I I also noticed in the staff report the

4995
03:16:20,319 --> 03:16:23,520
map that showed the walkable area that

4996
03:16:23,520 --> 03:16:26,560
sort of includes this piece of property.

4997
03:16:26,560 --> 03:16:28,960
It seemed to me that if if this body

4998
03:16:28,960 --> 03:16:31,439
were to decide or y'all were to come to

4999
03:16:31,439 --> 03:16:34,800
an agreement of some kind to um afford

5000
03:16:34,800 --> 03:16:36,960
this opportunity that that could that

5001
03:16:36,960 --> 03:16:38,880
jog could just be made around your

5002
03:16:38,880 --> 03:16:41,680
property on the bottom end um rather

5003
03:16:41,680 --> 03:16:44,319
than including it. just just my

5004
03:16:44,319 --> 03:16:46,800
observations simply put. I am not a land

5005
03:16:46,800 --> 03:16:50,080
use person. Um but those are just my

5006
03:16:50,080 --> 03:16:52,160
sentiments around this topic. So I

5007
03:16:52,160 --> 03:16:56,000
wanted to make that known and just uh I

5008
03:16:56,000 --> 03:16:57,279
don't know if you had anything to say to

5009
03:16:57,279 --> 03:16:59,279
any of that or not.

5010
03:16:59,279 --> 03:17:02,800
>> Um Lauren would like to respond if

5011
03:17:02,800 --> 03:17:03,680
that's okay.

5012
03:17:03,680 --> 03:17:05,920
>> Okay.

5013
03:17:05,920 --> 03:17:09,750
Yeah.

5014
03:17:09,760 --> 03:17:12,800
Clearly, I'm I'm no legal mind, but I I

5015
03:17:12,800 --> 03:17:16,080
look at this uh from a purely practical

5016
03:17:16,080 --> 03:17:17,600
approach.

5017
03:17:17,600 --> 03:17:21,279
Um our concern is the building as it

5018
03:17:21,279 --> 03:17:25,600
stands in no way can meet the new code

5019
03:17:25,600 --> 03:17:28,720
of the MUR zoning and we're not opposed

5020
03:17:28,720 --> 03:17:31,600
to the MUR zoning.

5021
03:17:31,600 --> 03:17:35,359
The issue is how can we use the building

5022
03:17:35,359 --> 03:17:38,720
as it exists today

5023
03:17:38,720 --> 03:17:40,800
as opposed to not being able to use it

5024
03:17:40,800 --> 03:17:43,680
for 5 years, maybe it's 20 years, we

5025
03:17:43,680 --> 03:17:46,000
don't know.

5026
03:17:46,000 --> 03:17:50,319
Um, so the basics of this to me that are

5027
03:17:50,319 --> 03:17:53,600
common sense is there's there's no

5028
03:17:53,600 --> 03:17:55,359
boundary on the east side of the

5029
03:17:55,359 --> 03:17:57,120
building. It's railroad tracks. the

5030
03:17:57,120 --> 03:17:58,479
railroad track. The boundary of the

5031
03:17:58,479 --> 03:18:00,319
railroad tracks is the side of the

5032
03:18:00,319 --> 03:18:01,840
building.

5033
03:18:01,840 --> 03:18:04,560
On the south side is truck docks, truck

5034
03:18:04,560 --> 03:18:06,560
high docks,

5035
03:18:06,560 --> 03:18:08,560
and on the north side is truck high

5036
03:18:08,560 --> 03:18:12,080
docks. On the west side, there's no need

5037
03:18:12,080 --> 03:18:15,120
for truck traffic. In a perfect world, I

5038
03:18:15,120 --> 03:18:16,960
know there's there's implications for

5039
03:18:16,960 --> 03:18:19,680
zoning and stuff that create issues. I

5040
03:18:19,680 --> 03:18:21,359
wouldn't care if that street was

5041
03:18:21,359 --> 03:18:22,880
restricted from truck traffic

5042
03:18:22,880 --> 03:18:24,640
completely.

5043
03:18:24,640 --> 03:18:26,880
there's no use for heavy traffic being

5044
03:18:26,880 --> 03:18:28,960
on the road between us and the apartment

5045
03:18:28,960 --> 03:18:31,040
complex.

5046
03:18:31,040 --> 03:18:33,520
Um, so for me, and one of the things

5047
03:18:33,520 --> 03:18:36,720
that we did talk about was the idea of

5048
03:18:36,720 --> 03:18:38,800
trying to figure out a way that says as

5049
03:18:38,800 --> 03:18:41,600
long as the building exists as it is

5050
03:18:41,600 --> 03:18:45,279
that it would have continued uses.

5051
03:18:45,279 --> 03:18:47,680
That's real basic, just continued uses

5052
03:18:47,680 --> 03:18:49,359
as long as the building exists the way

5053
03:18:49,359 --> 03:18:53,279
it is. If the building is reconstructed,

5054
03:18:53,279 --> 03:18:55,520
by all means, we I don't have any

5055
03:18:55,520 --> 03:18:58,720
opposition to that being

5056
03:18:58,720 --> 03:19:02,319
MUR in the future. That's not that's not

5057
03:19:02,319 --> 03:19:04,160
the goal. The goal is to maintain the

5058
03:19:04,160 --> 03:19:07,200
use of the building as it stands today.

5059
03:19:07,200 --> 03:19:09,120
And that's my interpretation although

5060
03:19:09,120 --> 03:19:12,880
it's not legal that when they evaluate

5061
03:19:12,880 --> 03:19:16,479
this property it's based on the existing

5062
03:19:16,479 --> 03:19:20,160
property how it fits MUR.

5063
03:19:20,160 --> 03:19:22,319
Uh if we put a limitation to that that

5064
03:19:22,319 --> 03:19:23,600
says look if the building is

5065
03:19:23,600 --> 03:19:24,960
reconstructed it needs to be

5066
03:19:24,960 --> 03:19:26,960
reconstructed based on the guidelines

5067
03:19:26,960 --> 03:19:28,800
for MUR.

5068
03:19:28,800 --> 03:19:31,840
That's fine but we can't give it a

5069
03:19:31,840 --> 03:19:34,319
setback off the railroad tracks without

5070
03:19:34,319 --> 03:19:37,120
demolishing the building.

5071
03:19:37,120 --> 03:19:40,160
So if you try to sell the property and

5072
03:19:40,160 --> 03:19:41,600
somebody's looking at the value of the

5073
03:19:41,600 --> 03:19:44,000
property and they have to all of a

5074
03:19:44,000 --> 03:19:45,920
sudden make it mur they got to demolish

5075
03:19:45,920 --> 03:19:47,840
the building. So not only do you lose

5076
03:19:47,840 --> 03:19:49,760
the value of the property as it exists

5077
03:19:49,760 --> 03:19:52,640
now and its ability to earn rent but

5078
03:19:52,640 --> 03:19:54,560
then you add to the cost of demolishing

5079
03:19:54,560 --> 03:19:57,520
the property and rebuilding it. I mean

5080
03:19:57,520 --> 03:19:59,200
we've cut the value of the property down

5081
03:19:59,200 --> 03:20:02,399
to 20% of its value.

5082
03:20:02,399 --> 03:20:05,120
And so for us and for me is managing the

5083
03:20:05,120 --> 03:20:07,680
trust. This is a huge loss or could be a

5084
03:20:07,680 --> 03:20:10,399
huge loss financially for the trust.

5085
03:20:10,399 --> 03:20:13,359
>> Okay. Thank you so much. I appreciate

5086
03:20:13,359 --> 03:20:14,640
your response.

5087
03:20:14,640 --> 03:20:15,040
>> Thank you.

5088
03:20:15,040 --> 03:20:16,000
>> All of it.

5089
03:20:16,000 --> 03:20:17,600
>> Thank you.

5090
03:20:17,600 --> 03:20:19,760
>> Just a procedural question for Margaret.

5091
03:20:19,760 --> 03:20:21,760
Do you want to uh take advantage of your

5092
03:20:21,760 --> 03:20:27,429
seven days for final written argument?

5093
03:20:27,439 --> 03:20:29,279
Um,

5094
03:20:29,279 --> 03:20:32,000
as in keep the hearing open or close the

5095
03:20:32,000 --> 03:20:33,920
hearing,

5096
03:20:33,920 --> 03:20:39,279
keep the record open for seven days.

5097
03:20:39,279 --> 03:20:41,200
>> Just at this point, all I'm asking is if

5098
03:20:41,200 --> 03:20:42,800
you want seven days to make your final

5099
03:20:42,800 --> 03:20:44,399
written argument, if you'd like to keep

5100
03:20:44,399 --> 03:20:46,080
the record open for new evidence and

5101
03:20:46,080 --> 03:20:47,680
rebuttal evidence and then your written

5102
03:20:47,680 --> 03:20:50,479
argument, we can do that as well. Um I

5103
03:20:50,479 --> 03:20:54,640
think our the applicants

5104
03:20:54,640 --> 03:20:57,520
if city council is directing staff and

5105
03:20:57,520 --> 03:20:59,920
the applicant to communicate further

5106
03:20:59,920 --> 03:21:01,439
about this we would be willing to have

5107
03:21:01,439 --> 03:21:03,359
that discussion. We don't need

5108
03:21:03,359 --> 03:21:05,520
additional time for a written response

5109
03:21:05,520 --> 03:21:09,040
if that's not the direction.

5110
03:21:09,040 --> 03:21:11,600
>> Okay. So I understand you there may be

5111
03:21:11,600 --> 03:21:13,279
an opportunity for staff and you to

5112
03:21:13,279 --> 03:21:15,439
continue discussions but absent that you

5113
03:21:15,439 --> 03:21:18,319
you're not requesting additional time.

5114
03:21:18,319 --> 03:21:18,800
Correct.

5115
03:21:18,800 --> 03:21:26,070
>> Okay. Thank you.

5116
03:21:26,080 --> 03:21:27,760
» Okay. Uh we have some questions for

5117
03:21:27,760 --> 03:21:29,920
staff apparently. Go ahead, councelor

5118
03:21:29,920 --> 03:21:31,040
Matthews.

5119
03:21:31,040 --> 03:21:32,239
>> Well, I think the question is really

5120
03:21:32,239 --> 03:21:33,840
just the same question I asked to the

5121
03:21:33,840 --> 03:21:35,359
applicant. And so, do you feel that this

5122
03:21:35,359 --> 03:21:37,200
is fully an impass that there is no

5123
03:21:37,200 --> 03:21:38,479
middle ground that can be found at this

5124
03:21:38,479 --> 03:21:39,840
point and that a final decision should

5125
03:21:39,840 --> 03:21:42,574
be made here tonight?

5126
03:21:42,574 --> 03:21:49,990
[clears throat]

5127
03:21:50,000 --> 03:21:51,840
Bryce wants hi Lee Anderson, your

5128
03:21:51,840 --> 03:21:54,239
planning administrator. Um, we have met

5129
03:21:54,239 --> 03:21:56,080
with the applicant numerous times,

5130
03:21:56,080 --> 03:21:58,560
probably on and off. Ununice worked with

5131
03:21:58,560 --> 03:22:01,040
their attorney maybe a year before they

5132
03:22:01,040 --> 03:22:03,279
even applied, going through what was

5133
03:22:03,279 --> 03:22:05,680
allowed in the zone, offering written

5134
03:22:05,680 --> 03:22:08,560
letters to explain how the zone works.

5135
03:22:08,560 --> 03:22:10,399
We had a pre-application conference with

5136
03:22:10,399 --> 03:22:12,160
them.

5137
03:22:12,160 --> 03:22:14,000
We were called to court over the meeting

5138
03:22:14,000 --> 03:22:15,760
of the pre-application conference due to

5139
03:22:15,760 --> 03:22:18,880
a a lawsuit. Like we've had many

5140
03:22:18,880 --> 03:22:22,000
conversations with them. So I don't I

5141
03:22:22,000 --> 03:22:23,760
think Bryce has pretty much explained

5142
03:22:23,760 --> 03:22:26,800
that we we don't see a way to craft

5143
03:22:26,800 --> 03:22:28,399
conditions which is what a compromise

5144
03:22:28,399 --> 03:22:30,160
would be, right? We don't see a way to

5145
03:22:30,160 --> 03:22:33,600
craft conditions to meet the criteria.

5146
03:22:33,600 --> 03:22:36,239
It's within the council's purview

5147
03:22:36,239 --> 03:22:38,640
to disagree with that and, you know,

5148
03:22:38,640 --> 03:22:41,120
accept what they've proposed or some

5149
03:22:41,120 --> 03:22:44,080
other version of a condition if the zone

5150
03:22:44,080 --> 03:22:45,920
change were to be approved or no

5151
03:22:45,920 --> 03:22:47,439
conditions, right? That's within the

5152
03:22:47,439 --> 03:22:51,279
purview of the of the council. Um, you

5153
03:22:51,279 --> 03:22:52,720
know, we've tried it's, you know,

5154
03:22:52,720 --> 03:22:54,479
they've been very, you know, nice

5155
03:22:54,479 --> 03:22:56,399
meetings and, um, you know, we've

5156
03:22:56,399 --> 03:22:57,920
bounced a lot of ideas off each other,

5157
03:22:57,920 --> 03:23:00,560
but we just, I don't see that we see a

5158
03:23:00,560 --> 03:23:01,600
way that we can do that through

5159
03:23:01,600 --> 03:23:03,600
conditions and say that we think it

5160
03:23:03,600 --> 03:23:06,000
meets the criteria.

5161
03:23:06,000 --> 03:23:07,760
>> Okay.

5162
03:23:07,760 --> 03:23:11,200
I'd like to ask I just for clarification

5163
03:23:11,200 --> 03:23:15,359
and you the city are operating under the

5164
03:23:15,359 --> 03:23:18,960
confines restrictions boundaries of the

5165
03:23:18,960 --> 03:23:22,080
um our Salem plan.

5166
03:23:22,080 --> 03:23:23,760
>> Um I'm not sure that I would say

5167
03:23:23,760 --> 03:23:26,239
restrictions. You know we are operating

5168
03:23:26,239 --> 03:23:27,680
under the confines of the approval

5169
03:23:27,680 --> 03:23:30,880
criteria for this application. Um, and

5170
03:23:30,880 --> 03:23:33,680
so that requires us to weigh the current

5171
03:23:33,680 --> 03:23:36,000
zoning against the proposed zoning and

5172
03:23:36,000 --> 03:23:37,600
that criteria of does it equally or

5173
03:23:37,600 --> 03:23:38,479
better.

5174
03:23:38,479 --> 03:23:40,000
>> Right. Basically, you guys are doing

5175
03:23:40,000 --> 03:23:42,479
what you were directed by city council

5176
03:23:42,479 --> 03:23:43,279
to do.

5177
03:23:43,279 --> 03:23:44,800
>> Absolutely. Our Salem was adopted by

5178
03:23:44,800 --> 03:23:46,080
city council and the zone was

5179
03:23:46,080 --> 03:23:47,359
implemented through the council. Yes.

5180
03:23:47,359 --> 03:23:48,479
>> Okay. Thank you.

5181
03:23:48,479 --> 03:23:55,030
>> Thank you.

5182
03:23:55,040 --> 03:23:57,040
So, at this point, you you haven't

5183
03:23:57,040 --> 03:23:58,560
received a request to keep the record

5184
03:23:58,560 --> 03:24:00,800
open or for final written argument. So,

5185
03:24:00,800 --> 03:24:02,720
you can go ahead and close the hearing

5186
03:24:02,720 --> 03:24:05,200
and begin deliberations with the motion

5187
03:24:05,200 --> 03:24:07,120
from the council president or excuse me,

5188
03:24:07,120 --> 03:24:11,190
from councelor Tyen.

5189
03:24:11,200 --> 03:24:13,439
» Hearing's closed. Go right ahead, sir.

5190
03:24:13,439 --> 03:24:15,359
Uh, I move that we affirm the planning

5191
03:24:15,359 --> 03:24:17,120
commission's decision denying minor

5192
03:24:17,120 --> 03:24:18,880
comprehensive plan map amendment,

5193
03:24:18,880 --> 03:24:21,200
neighborhood map plan amendment and zone

5194
03:24:21,200 --> 03:24:28,950
change for case number CPC- NPC-Z26-02.

5195
03:24:28,960 --> 03:24:30,720
» Second

5196
03:24:30,720 --> 03:24:32,880
motion and a second by Gwyn. Councelor,

5197
03:24:32,880 --> 03:24:33,920
anything to your motion?

5198
03:24:33,920 --> 03:24:35,600
>> Yeah, thank you, Madame Mayor. Um, I

5199
03:24:35,600 --> 03:24:38,399
appreciate the uh responsibility as the

5200
03:24:38,399 --> 03:24:41,760
W1 uh city councelor to bring um the

5201
03:24:41,760 --> 03:24:44,080
motion to the floor after the public

5202
03:24:44,080 --> 03:24:48,080
hearing. Um, I as folks on the city

5203
03:24:48,080 --> 03:24:50,080
council probably know, I was the Grant

5204
03:24:50,080 --> 03:24:52,720
Neighborhood uh land use chair during uh

5205
03:24:52,720 --> 03:24:56,399
our Salem. Um was very active in this u

5206
03:24:56,399 --> 03:24:58,720
visioning of this part of the city as as

5207
03:24:58,720 --> 03:25:02,080
part of our Salem. Um, I don't just

5208
03:25:02,080 --> 03:25:05,439
bring the motion because I um am sitting

5209
03:25:05,439 --> 03:25:07,439
in the seat, but I I do believe that we

5210
03:25:07,439 --> 03:25:09,920
should affirm uh the planning

5211
03:25:09,920 --> 03:25:12,399
commission's uh decision to deny this

5212
03:25:12,399 --> 03:25:14,800
request. It's not easy because we know

5213
03:25:14,800 --> 03:25:16,880
that there's a property owner who feels

5214
03:25:16,880 --> 03:25:19,279
that they weren't um don't have every

5215
03:25:19,279 --> 03:25:21,600
tool in the toolbox to use this property

5216
03:25:21,600 --> 03:25:23,120
the way that they want. But I think the

5217
03:25:23,120 --> 03:25:26,239
staff has gone above and beyond both as

5218
03:25:26,239 --> 03:25:28,720
we constructed our Salem as you heard

5219
03:25:28,720 --> 03:25:33,200
tonight from Ununice um and uh in

5220
03:25:33,200 --> 03:25:35,439
interactions with the applicant to

5221
03:25:35,439 --> 03:25:37,760
really try and maintain their continued

5222
03:25:37,760 --> 03:25:41,439
use as long as they can. Um but I think

5223
03:25:41,439 --> 03:25:43,279
we also know as a city that we have a

5224
03:25:43,279 --> 03:25:46,000
different vision for this part of the

5225
03:25:46,000 --> 03:25:50,640
city. Um yes the Trouett brothers um

5226
03:25:50,640 --> 03:25:53,680
proposal has run into difficult times

5227
03:25:53,680 --> 03:25:56,880
but it is emblematic of what we want to

5228
03:25:56,880 --> 03:26:00,000
see happen near the river in our city.

5229
03:26:00,000 --> 03:26:03,760
And I think the um the most important

5230
03:26:03,760 --> 03:26:05,520
part here is that we have to hold two

5231
03:26:05,520 --> 03:26:07,600
things to be true at once, right? is

5232
03:26:07,600 --> 03:26:10,640
that this applicant can still use this

5233
03:26:10,640 --> 03:26:13,359
parcel the way that they have used it um

5234
03:26:13,359 --> 03:26:16,239
for many years. And there could be a

5235
03:26:16,239 --> 03:26:19,680
time 20 years from now when the most

5236
03:26:19,680 --> 03:26:21,279
advantageous thing to do with this

5237
03:26:21,279 --> 03:26:24,080
property is knock this building down and

5238
03:26:24,080 --> 03:26:26,399
build a six-story apartment building.

5239
03:26:26,399 --> 03:26:28,800
And that could be the future that we

5240
03:26:28,800 --> 03:26:32,000
manifest in the north riverfront. And

5241
03:26:32,000 --> 03:26:33,600
we're doing a lot as a council to try

5242
03:26:33,600 --> 03:26:36,160
and make that happen. Um, and whether

5243
03:26:36,160 --> 03:26:41,680
that's um helping someone um I'm sorry,

5244
03:26:41,680 --> 03:26:44,720
putting together a urban renewal area to

5245
03:26:44,720 --> 03:26:46,319
impress upon the importance of the

5246
03:26:46,319 --> 03:26:50,160
development. Um I I think it's really to

5247
03:26:50,160 --> 03:26:53,200
me very important that we um maintain

5248
03:26:53,200 --> 03:26:56,000
the vision that we outlined in R Salem

5249
03:26:56,000 --> 03:26:58,399
at the same time allowing this property

5250
03:26:58,399 --> 03:27:00,560
owner to continue the use that they have

5251
03:27:00,560 --> 03:27:02,800
um as long as uh they meet the criteria

5252
03:27:02,800 --> 03:27:07,910
for continued use. Anyone

5253
03:27:07,920 --> 03:27:11,830
else? Councelor Brown,

5254
03:27:11,840 --> 03:27:12,800
» did you have something? Councelor

5255
03:27:12,800 --> 03:27:13,359
Nordike?

5256
03:27:13,359 --> 03:27:15,840
>> Yes, I do. Thank you. I too will be

5257
03:27:15,840 --> 03:27:17,600
supporting the motion. There are several

5258
03:27:17,600 --> 03:27:19,439
reasons that I think some of them have

5259
03:27:19,439 --> 03:27:22,160
already been articulated. I also wanted

5260
03:27:22,160 --> 03:27:23,680
to go back to one of the comments that

5261
03:27:23,680 --> 03:27:26,080
councelor Barney pointed out that this

5262
03:27:26,080 --> 03:27:27,680
reszoning

5263
03:27:27,680 --> 03:27:30,880
would permit not just

5264
03:27:30,880 --> 03:27:33,200
expanded industrial uses, but it could

5265
03:27:33,200 --> 03:27:35,680
potentially allow other zonable uses

5266
03:27:35,680 --> 03:27:38,479
that are something I'm not the least bit

5267
03:27:38,479 --> 03:27:41,439
interested in doing. For example, let me

5268
03:27:41,439 --> 03:27:44,640
see, I lost my place in the 149page

5269
03:27:44,640 --> 03:27:47,840
document. There it is. Quote, "A change

5270
03:27:47,840 --> 03:27:49,920
of the property's comprehensive plan

5271
03:27:49,920 --> 03:27:52,160
designation to industrial, commercial,

5272
03:27:52,160 --> 03:27:54,560
and zoning to IC would make it possible

5273
03:27:54,560 --> 03:27:57,359
for uses such as data center facilities,

5274
03:27:57,359 --> 03:27:59,279
motor vehicle sales, motor vehicle

5275
03:27:59,279 --> 03:28:01,760
service, manufactured dwelling and

5276
03:28:01,760 --> 03:28:04,800
trailer sales. It goes on and on. Firing

5277
03:28:04,800 --> 03:28:08,800
ranges, industrial services,

5278
03:28:08,800 --> 03:28:11,200
uh power generation facilities, fuel

5279
03:28:11,200 --> 03:28:13,840
dealers, recycling depots, solid waste

5280
03:28:13,840 --> 03:28:15,920
transfer stations.

5281
03:28:15,920 --> 03:28:18,399
Absolutely not.

5282
03:28:18,399 --> 03:28:21,600
So I and again as

5283
03:28:21,600 --> 03:28:23,439
councelor Tigan pointed out this is not

5284
03:28:23,439 --> 03:28:25,760
a restriction on their current use. I

5285
03:28:25,760 --> 03:28:27,600
was on council when we created the our

5286
03:28:27,600 --> 03:28:30,080
Salem. It was a huge [snorts] amount of

5287
03:28:30,080 --> 03:28:32,720
work led by Ununice Kim and many staff

5288
03:28:32,720 --> 03:28:36,319
folk. Um this is not just a vision. This

5289
03:28:36,319 --> 03:28:40,239
is our future and I'm not interested in

5290
03:28:40,239 --> 03:28:43,040
setting all that work aside despite the

5291
03:28:43,040 --> 03:28:45,920
valiant efforts of council. So, and I

5292
03:28:45,920 --> 03:28:47,439
appreciate everything that you're saying

5293
03:28:47,439 --> 03:28:49,120
and everything you coming from. We've

5294
03:28:49,120 --> 03:28:51,359
listened very carefully. You've answered

5295
03:28:51,359 --> 03:28:53,439
every question we could think of for the

5296
03:28:53,439 --> 03:28:56,640
last hour plus, but at this point, I am

5297
03:28:56,640 --> 03:28:59,279
prepared to vote yes on the motion.

5298
03:28:59,279 --> 03:29:01,920
Thank you,

5299
03:29:01,920 --> 03:29:02,960
Councelor Brown.

5300
03:29:02,960 --> 03:29:06,399
>> Thanks, Madame Mayor. Um,

5301
03:29:06,399 --> 03:29:08,479
not going to lie, this one is hard for

5302
03:29:08,479 --> 03:29:11,120
me. Um, but I want to say it's only hard

5303
03:29:11,120 --> 03:29:14,800
because this is an area

5304
03:29:14,800 --> 03:29:17,680
that we all know needs some work. It it

5305
03:29:17,680 --> 03:29:21,520
needs it needs a lot of love. It needs

5306
03:29:21,520 --> 03:29:23,359
somebody that got can write some big

5307
03:29:23,359 --> 03:29:26,080
bucks to change things in that area. Uh,

5308
03:29:26,080 --> 03:29:29,680
we need a lot. And

5309
03:29:29,680 --> 03:29:32,000
if you want to see what blight looks

5310
03:29:32,000 --> 03:29:35,200
like, obviously you can drive over there

5311
03:29:35,200 --> 03:29:37,760
or you can drive in Northeast Salem.

5312
03:29:37,760 --> 03:29:40,080
Hello somebody.

5313
03:29:40,080 --> 03:29:42,080
Because you can see what happens when

5314
03:29:42,080 --> 03:29:44,960
you do have things that are available

5315
03:29:44,960 --> 03:29:47,120
but yet we don't make the changes we

5316
03:29:47,120 --> 03:29:49,040
need

5317
03:29:49,040 --> 03:29:51,439
to bring the changes we want to see. So

5318
03:29:51,439 --> 03:29:54,319
this is hard for me. Uh but I also want

5319
03:29:54,319 --> 03:29:57,760
to reflect on the work that uh the

5320
03:29:57,760 --> 03:30:00,399
planning team has done. Uh because I

5321
03:30:00,399 --> 03:30:03,680
watched you all four years ago do this

5322
03:30:03,680 --> 03:30:09,520
work um with fidelity. I watched and it

5323
03:30:09,520 --> 03:30:12,319
saddens me a little bit or rather a lot

5324
03:30:12,319 --> 03:30:15,200
that we are um I'm gonna take a word

5325
03:30:15,200 --> 03:30:16,880
from councelor Matthews that we are at

5326
03:30:16,880 --> 03:30:19,359
an impass. We we don't have a happy

5327
03:30:19,359 --> 03:30:22,880
medium and it doesn't

5328
03:30:22,880 --> 03:30:24,640
it looks like we could possibly find

5329
03:30:24,640 --> 03:30:26,800
one, but it's going to require some

5330
03:30:26,800 --> 03:30:29,840
changes. And and I too I agree. I don't

5331
03:30:29,840 --> 03:30:32,479
want to see, you know, us bring this

5332
03:30:32,479 --> 03:30:34,080
building forward and then all of a

5333
03:30:34,080 --> 03:30:36,080
sudden somebody wants to put something

5334
03:30:36,080 --> 03:30:38,560
in there that we don't want to see, aka

5335
03:30:38,560 --> 03:30:41,760
a data center. Uh but let alone Oregon

5336
03:30:41,760 --> 03:30:44,479
has almost 150 of those, but we won't

5337
03:30:44,479 --> 03:30:47,840
have that conversation tonight. Um it

5338
03:30:47,840 --> 03:30:49,920
just saddens me because we want to see

5339
03:30:49,920 --> 03:30:52,000
something different in that area. We

5340
03:30:52,000 --> 03:30:53,920
want to see it. And so this one is hard

5341
03:30:53,920 --> 03:30:55,680
for me because like I said, it's in my

5342
03:30:55,680 --> 03:30:57,359
backyard. It's not in my ward, but it is

5343
03:30:57,359 --> 03:30:59,760
in my backyard. It just saddens me that

5344
03:30:59,760 --> 03:31:01,439
we are at a position between the city

5345
03:31:01,439 --> 03:31:03,920
and the applicant that we cannot find um

5346
03:31:03,920 --> 03:31:06,319
we can't find a happy medium. That's the

5347
03:31:06,319 --> 03:31:08,560
part that disappoints me that we cannot

5348
03:31:08,560 --> 03:31:12,720
find a place where we can figure out get

5349
03:31:12,720 --> 03:31:14,399
all the smart people in one room to

5350
03:31:14,399 --> 03:31:17,520
figure out what we can do um that folks

5351
03:31:17,520 --> 03:31:20,000
can benefit from. And I realize that I

5352
03:31:20,000 --> 03:31:24,720
may be u the solo in that area um but

5353
03:31:24,720 --> 03:31:26,319
I'm used to being solo so I'm not too

5354
03:31:26,319 --> 03:31:30,319
worried about that. uh yield the floor.

5355
03:31:30,319 --> 03:31:31,279
>> Councelor Tigan.

5356
03:31:31,279 --> 03:31:33,680
>> Thank you. I just want to as a point of

5357
03:31:33,680 --> 03:31:36,239
clarification and beha and on behalf of

5358
03:31:36,239 --> 03:31:38,720
the applicant who already knows I'm not

5359
03:31:38,720 --> 03:31:42,720
in support of their um application but

5360
03:31:42,720 --> 03:31:45,279
they offered today as as you know part

5361
03:31:45,279 --> 03:31:48,239
of the um

5362
03:31:48,239 --> 03:31:50,319
uh

5363
03:31:50,319 --> 03:31:52,720
materials that we received that they

5364
03:31:52,720 --> 03:31:56,080
would not um what they offered to us was

5365
03:31:56,080 --> 03:31:58,880
to not build data centers there was to

5366
03:31:58,880 --> 03:32:03,760
not do motor vehicles. So they're not saying that they want to

5367
03:32:03,760 --> 03:32:06,399
have the full rights of IC. So I just

5368
03:32:06,399 --> 03:32:08,720
want to make that clear. However, I do

5369
03:32:08,720 --> 03:32:11,680
think just I I have reviewed the list

5370
03:32:11,680 --> 03:32:14,560
and I do think the things that they um

5371
03:32:14,560 --> 03:32:18,160
remain on the list for future use in

5372
03:32:18,160 --> 03:32:19,840
term including industrial and

5373
03:32:19,840 --> 03:32:22,000
institutional food service contractors,

5374
03:32:22,000 --> 03:32:24,399
general food manufacturing

5375
03:32:24,399 --> 03:32:27,840
um uh and then conditional manufacturing

5376
03:32:27,840 --> 03:32:30,960
activities on things like a tannery um

5377
03:32:30,960 --> 03:32:32,560
rubber and plastic footwear

5378
03:32:32,560 --> 03:32:35,520
manufacturing. those things. Even if

5379
03:32:35,520 --> 03:32:37,040
they don't, even if they've agreed not

5380
03:32:37,040 --> 03:32:38,960
to build a data center, they're great.

5381
03:32:38,960 --> 03:32:40,160
But there's still things that are on

5382
03:32:40,160 --> 03:32:42,000
this list that I find incompatible with

5383
03:32:42,000 --> 03:32:43,520
what we're trying to achieve there. So,

5384
03:32:43,520 --> 03:32:45,040
I want to give them their due credit for

5385
03:32:45,040 --> 03:32:47,279
bringing us a proposal. And I also want

5386
03:32:47,279 --> 03:32:49,200
to acknowledge that it it still doesn't

5387
03:32:49,200 --> 03:32:53,920
meet my belief of what this should be.

5388
03:32:53,920 --> 03:32:56,560
>> Councelor Matthews.

5389
03:32:56,560 --> 03:32:59,040
Well, I I want to assure councelor Brown

5390
03:32:59,040 --> 03:33:00,800
that he is not solo on the

5391
03:33:00,800 --> 03:33:02,160
disappointment in not being able to find

5392
03:33:02,160 --> 03:33:03,760
a middle ground or at least continue to

5393
03:33:03,760 --> 03:33:07,040
attempt to find a middle ground. Um I

5394
03:33:07,040 --> 03:33:09,520
think it's a very hard situation to know

5395
03:33:09,520 --> 03:33:12,560
that the city's decision to change the

5396
03:33:12,560 --> 03:33:14,399
zoning is what adjusted this for this

5397
03:33:14,399 --> 03:33:16,800
property owner. That's a hard pill to

5398
03:33:16,800 --> 03:33:18,560
swallow to know that the city's

5399
03:33:18,560 --> 03:33:20,080
decisions, even though they may be

5400
03:33:20,080 --> 03:33:22,000
aspirational and in the future

5401
03:33:22,000 --> 03:33:24,640
beneficial, undeniably or I should maybe

5402
03:33:24,640 --> 03:33:27,359
undeniably a strong word, apparently

5403
03:33:27,359 --> 03:33:29,120
seem to have a negative impact on a

5404
03:33:29,120 --> 03:33:31,600
property owner that is in our city. And

5405
03:33:31,600 --> 03:33:33,120
so to know that that's the outcome,

5406
03:33:33,120 --> 03:33:34,640
especially when that property owner,

5407
03:33:34,640 --> 03:33:36,239
previous property owner was in hospice

5408
03:33:36,239 --> 03:33:37,920
at the time when the notices went out,

5409
03:33:37,920 --> 03:33:39,520
that's a very hard reality to have to

5410
03:33:39,520 --> 03:33:42,080
sit with. Um, I also want to acknowledge

5411
03:33:42,080 --> 03:33:44,319
similar to councelor Tyan that the

5412
03:33:44,319 --> 03:33:46,960
applicant seems to be fully ready to

5413
03:33:46,960 --> 03:33:48,720
find a middle ground and even submitted

5414
03:33:48,720 --> 03:33:51,200
an entire proposal cutting out most of

5415
03:33:51,200 --> 03:33:55,439
the I guess more undesirable things from

5416
03:33:55,439 --> 03:33:58,479
um the current propo or the current uh

5417
03:33:58,479 --> 03:34:02,880
IG or IC zoning allowances that were

5418
03:34:02,880 --> 03:34:04,960
mentioned before such as fire ranges or

5419
03:34:04,960 --> 03:34:07,920
firearm ranges and data centers. Um, and

5420
03:34:07,920 --> 03:34:10,319
so I think that's really important. I'll

5421
03:34:10,319 --> 03:34:12,319
also speak to the other side. I also

5422
03:34:12,319 --> 03:34:14,800
recognize that if development does

5423
03:34:14,800 --> 03:34:16,399
actually happen, which is a big if

5424
03:34:16,399 --> 03:34:18,319
because at this moment we have seen no

5425
03:34:18,319 --> 03:34:21,600
actual ability to make that happen. Um,

5426
03:34:21,600 --> 03:34:23,439
if that does happen, I don't want this

5427
03:34:23,439 --> 03:34:25,279
to be the one building that gets stuck

5428
03:34:25,279 --> 03:34:27,760
without being developed because we've

5429
03:34:27,760 --> 03:34:29,760
allowed a decision here tonight and you

5430
03:34:29,760 --> 03:34:31,279
get this beautiful development around it

5431
03:34:31,279 --> 03:34:32,960
and you have one building that is the

5432
03:34:32,960 --> 03:34:36,160
hold out. Um, which is why again I wish

5433
03:34:36,160 --> 03:34:38,960
that we as a city were not sticking our

5434
03:34:38,960 --> 03:34:40,560
foot in the ground so hard to say that

5435
03:34:40,560 --> 03:34:42,160
we will not at this point do not feel

5436
03:34:42,160 --> 03:34:43,359
like there is a middle ground to be

5437
03:34:43,359 --> 03:34:45,040
found because clearly the applicant

5438
03:34:45,040 --> 03:34:46,800
hasn't put their foot in the ground. I

5439
03:34:46,800 --> 03:34:48,720
think this is a little bit on us as a

5440
03:34:48,720 --> 03:34:50,960
city to be saying that we don't feel

5441
03:34:50,960 --> 03:34:52,720
that over the next x amount of time it

5442
03:34:52,720 --> 03:34:54,640
sounds like there's a 7-day ability to

5443
03:34:54,640 --> 03:34:56,640
make that happen. Uh that we should

5444
03:34:56,640 --> 03:34:59,200
continue that conversation. And so if

5445
03:34:59,200 --> 03:35:02,000
that's where we are, um

5446
03:35:02,000 --> 03:35:04,160
again, I don't it's a very tough one for

5447
03:35:04,160 --> 03:35:07,279
me because I recognize the risk of

5448
03:35:07,279 --> 03:35:09,439
having a property that may not be

5449
03:35:09,439 --> 03:35:10,720
developed in the way we want in the

5450
03:35:10,720 --> 03:35:15,200
future. But um I also recognize that um

5451
03:35:15,200 --> 03:35:17,200
sometimes even though it may not be what

5452
03:35:17,200 --> 03:35:18,880
the future we want, sometimes right's

5453
03:35:18,880 --> 03:35:22,080
just right. So

5454
03:35:22,080 --> 03:35:23,520
Dan Aches, city attorney, just

5455
03:35:23,520 --> 03:35:24,880
responding to councelor Matthews

5456
03:35:24,880 --> 03:35:27,760
comments. So, if council can, you know,

5457
03:35:27,760 --> 03:35:29,520
counselor can propose a substitute

5458
03:35:29,520 --> 03:35:32,399
motion to have staff work with the

5459
03:35:32,399 --> 03:35:34,080
applicant to continue those discussions.

5460
03:35:34,080 --> 03:35:36,640
I think as you heard Bryce and Lisa say,

5461
03:35:36,640 --> 03:35:38,880
they have met multiple times. Um, they

5462
03:35:38,880 --> 03:35:40,880
haven't been able to get to yes. I

5463
03:35:40,880 --> 03:35:42,000
think, you know, some of the comments

5464
03:35:42,000 --> 03:35:43,600
that Bryce made about, you know, there

5465
03:35:43,600 --> 03:35:45,840
there's it's not just a matter of

5466
03:35:45,840 --> 03:35:47,680
getting to the right list of uses. It's

5467
03:35:47,680 --> 03:35:50,560
just the incompatibility with the with

5468
03:35:50,560 --> 03:35:53,120
those uses with the the the existing

5469
03:35:53,120 --> 03:35:55,279
zone and whether it comports with the

5470
03:35:55,279 --> 03:35:57,680
vision that's in the comp plan for this

5471
03:35:57,680 --> 03:36:00,000
area and this property. But, you know,

5472
03:36:00,000 --> 03:36:02,000
that's council's uh decision. So, if

5473
03:36:02,000 --> 03:36:03,920
council would like staff and the

5474
03:36:03,920 --> 03:36:06,080
applicant to continue that discussion,

5475
03:36:06,080 --> 03:36:07,359
uh you're welcome to propose that

5476
03:36:07,359 --> 03:36:09,760
motion. There is no 7-day limitation. It

5477
03:36:09,760 --> 03:36:12,080
was just that was a specific question on

5478
03:36:12,080 --> 03:36:13,680
final written argument. So you can

5479
03:36:13,680 --> 03:36:16,399
always uh continue deliberations and

5480
03:36:16,399 --> 03:36:25,190
direct staff to have those discussions.

5481
03:36:25,200 --> 03:36:26,640
» Councelor Vney,

5482
03:36:26,640 --> 03:36:30,950
>> thank you very much.

5483
03:36:30,960 --> 03:36:33,840
Good discussion. I can certainly see the

5484
03:36:33,840 --> 03:36:36,800
applicant's need to be able to broaden

5485
03:36:36,800 --> 03:36:39,520
the uses so that it's a more marketable

5486
03:36:39,520 --> 03:36:41,760
piece of property, but it it doesn't

5487
03:36:41,760 --> 03:36:44,960
align with the the vision. So, um I

5488
03:36:44,960 --> 03:36:46,640
think about the conditions and the work

5489
03:36:46,640 --> 03:36:48,479
you've done on trying to come up with

5490
03:36:48,479 --> 03:36:51,120
things that work, but conditions can't

5491
03:36:51,120 --> 03:36:53,120
cover everything. And I think that's

5492
03:36:53,120 --> 03:36:56,880
what um

5493
03:36:56,880 --> 03:36:59,680
yeah, I think that's uh what I'm not

5494
03:36:59,680 --> 03:37:02,880
comfortable with because this place is

5495
03:37:02,880 --> 03:37:06,880
very close to the Wamut number one.

5496
03:37:06,880 --> 03:37:10,640
Um and also in the industrial commercial

5497
03:37:10,640 --> 03:37:12,160
zone, I don't believe any kind of

5498
03:37:12,160 --> 03:37:15,359
housing is allowed at all.

5499
03:37:15,359 --> 03:37:23,269
And that's definitely

5500
03:37:23,279 --> 03:37:25,040
Bryce Bishop, City of Salem. In regards

5501
03:37:25,040 --> 03:37:27,279
to that question, the IC zone does allow

5502
03:37:27,279 --> 03:37:29,760
housing uh in a mixeduse building, you

5503
03:37:29,760 --> 03:37:30,960
know, so you could have multif family in

5504
03:37:30,960 --> 03:37:32,560
a mixeduse building, three family and

5505
03:37:32,560 --> 03:37:35,279
four family in a mixeduse building. Uh

5506
03:37:35,279 --> 03:37:36,880
but it doesn't allow housing as broadly

5507
03:37:36,880 --> 03:37:38,960
as the MUR. In the MUR zone, you could

5508
03:37:38,960 --> 03:37:40,560
just have multif family without having

5509
03:37:40,560 --> 03:37:46,389
it needing to be in a mixeduse building.

5510
03:37:46,399 --> 03:37:48,160
» Thank you for that clarification. I

5511
03:37:48,160 --> 03:37:49,920
appreciate it. So, we couldn't just put

5512
03:37:49,920 --> 03:37:51,680
a there couldn't be an apartment

5513
03:37:51,680 --> 03:37:53,120
building or something there. It would

5514
03:37:53,120 --> 03:37:54,720
have to be a mixeduse thing. That's what

5515
03:37:54,720 --> 03:37:57,439
you said. Okay. Okay. Well, the current

5516
03:37:57,439 --> 03:38:00,160
zoning has flexibility, and to me, it's

5517
03:38:00,160 --> 03:38:03,680
a compromise right now between the old

5518
03:38:03,680 --> 03:38:06,640
use and the new vision. I just really

5519
03:38:06,640 --> 03:38:08,960
appreciate the flexibility. So, I'm

5520
03:38:08,960 --> 03:38:12,640
going to be supporting Councelor Tyen's

5521
03:38:12,640 --> 03:38:14,910
motion. Um,

5522
03:38:14,910 --> 03:38:16,880
[snorts] but I it's it's a difficult

5523
03:38:16,880 --> 03:38:19,279
decision. Thank you.

5524
03:38:19,279 --> 03:38:21,600
Bryce, did you have something to add or

5525
03:38:21,600 --> 03:38:24,640
councelor Matthews? Go ahead.

5526
03:38:24,640 --> 03:38:27,600
>> Oh, sorry, Councelor Gwen.

5527
03:38:27,600 --> 03:38:30,800
>> I wanted to say thank you to city staff.

5528
03:38:30,800 --> 03:38:34,239
Um, one of the concerns that I have

5529
03:38:34,239 --> 03:38:36,479
expressed in the past is sometimes it

5530
03:38:36,479 --> 03:38:39,520
feels like we're always a no, no, no.

5531
03:38:39,520 --> 03:38:41,439
But it sounds like you guys have done

5532
03:38:41,439 --> 03:38:44,640
everything you can to get to yes with

5533
03:38:44,640 --> 03:38:48,800
the applicant. So, while it is a a tough

5534
03:38:48,800 --> 03:38:51,680
decision for me, um I also want to

5535
03:38:51,680 --> 03:38:55,600
recognize before I continue um the hard

5536
03:38:55,600 --> 03:38:58,479
work that our planning commission um

5537
03:38:58,479 --> 03:39:01,840
puts in and I most of you know I do

5538
03:39:01,840 --> 03:39:04,080
watch the planning commission meetings

5539
03:39:04,080 --> 03:39:08,479
and um they are very thoughtful in their

5540
03:39:08,479 --> 03:39:11,439
decision making and they spend a lot of

5541
03:39:11,439 --> 03:39:15,279
time combing through. We don't have some

5542
03:39:15,279 --> 03:39:16,880
of some of the folks on that on our

5543
03:39:16,880 --> 03:39:19,600
planning commission know the code almost

5544
03:39:19,600 --> 03:39:22,080
as well as you guys do. They're

5545
03:39:22,080 --> 03:39:25,840
phenomenal. Um so I it it's hard for me

5546
03:39:25,840 --> 03:39:27,760
then to

5547
03:39:27,760 --> 03:39:31,359
when they it's hard for me to go against

5548
03:39:31,359 --> 03:39:36,000
them um when I I feel like you guys

5549
03:39:36,000 --> 03:39:42,560
clearly have all worked very hard to come to a compromise. So, I'll be

5550
03:39:42,560 --> 03:39:45,680
supporting the motion.

5551
03:39:45,680 --> 03:39:49,269
>> Anyone else?

5552
03:39:49,279 --> 03:39:51,840
» Go ahead, Councelor Matthews.

5553
03:39:51,840 --> 03:39:53,040
>> City attorney, you can tell me if this

5554
03:39:53,040 --> 03:39:54,319
is not allowed to ask another question

5555
03:39:54,319 --> 03:39:58,070
of staff.

5556
03:39:58,080 --> 03:39:59,680
» You can ask questions of staff. We just

5557
03:39:59,680 --> 03:40:01,200
can't provide new evidence in our

5558
03:40:01,200 --> 03:40:03,840
response.

5559
03:40:03,840 --> 03:40:07,279
>> Could you repeat the what compromises

5560
03:40:07,279 --> 03:40:10,080
were proposed by the city? I know that I

5561
03:40:10,080 --> 03:40:11,439
know that we've seen compromises

5562
03:40:11,439 --> 03:40:13,600
proposed by the applicant in the in the

5563
03:40:13,600 --> 03:40:14,880
actual packet. And I know you mentioned

5564
03:40:14,880 --> 03:40:16,560
you guys have met a lot that I didn't

5565
03:40:16,560 --> 03:40:18,080
hear the compromises that were proposed

5566
03:40:18,080 --> 03:40:21,910
by the city

5567
03:40:21,920 --> 03:40:23,439
» or actually I did I just I need them

5568
03:40:23,439 --> 03:40:25,840
repeated so that it's not new. So, in in

5569
03:40:25,840 --> 03:40:27,439
trying not to introduce new evidence to

5570
03:40:27,439 --> 03:40:30,880
the record, uh there is the uh the June

5571
03:40:30,880 --> 03:40:35,680
9th staff report u which most of most of

5572
03:40:35,680 --> 03:40:39,040
what the applicants uh recommended use

5573
03:40:39,040 --> 03:40:43,040
list is based upon is that foundational

5574
03:40:43,040 --> 03:40:45,040
list of uses that was presented at the

5575
03:40:45,040 --> 03:40:46,960
planning commission at their June 9th uh

5576
03:40:46,960 --> 03:40:49,439
public hearing which is in the record.

5577
03:40:49,439 --> 03:40:55,040
uh what uh um yeah then but then so that

5578
03:40:55,040 --> 03:40:57,200
was kind of our you know staff's I guess

5579
03:40:57,200 --> 03:40:59,760
biggest compromise in terms of okay this

5580
03:40:59,760 --> 03:41:01,120
is that this is something that for the

5581
03:41:01,120 --> 03:41:03,359
planning commission to consider uh then

5582
03:41:03,359 --> 03:41:05,279
we had the testimony that was in

5583
03:41:05,279 --> 03:41:07,520
opposition uh from the well I'm at

5584
03:41:07,520 --> 03:41:10,560
landing apartments and then uh looking

5585
03:41:10,560 --> 03:41:14,080
at the impacts of having you know

5586
03:41:14,080 --> 03:41:16,319
certain uses that were identified on

5587
03:41:16,319 --> 03:41:18,560
that original list you know like I

5588
03:41:18,560 --> 03:41:19,680
mentioned Earl earlier building and

5589
03:41:19,680 --> 03:41:21,279
ground services, general wholesaling,

5590
03:41:21,279 --> 03:41:22,479
warehousing and distribution and

5591
03:41:22,479 --> 03:41:23,840
self-service storage as out just

5592
03:41:23,840 --> 03:41:25,920
outright permitted without having any

5593
03:41:25,920 --> 03:41:29,040
limitations on them in terms of being

5594
03:41:29,040 --> 03:41:30,560
able to be established in a brand new

5595
03:41:30,560 --> 03:41:33,040
building, a brand new development. Uh,

5596
03:41:33,040 --> 03:41:35,920
you know, staff feels that that is

5597
03:41:35,920 --> 03:41:37,760
um, you know, that has the potential for

5598
03:41:37,760 --> 03:41:39,359
like you mentioned everything if

5599
03:41:39,359 --> 03:41:40,560
everything around it developed and you

5600
03:41:40,560 --> 03:41:42,479
had the like a warehousing building that

5601
03:41:42,479 --> 03:41:44,239
comes in brand new build and now it's

5602
03:41:44,239 --> 03:41:49,040
there for 50 years and everything else around it has changed. that was you

5603
03:41:49,040 --> 03:41:50,800
know staffed here but so I guess our

5604
03:41:50,800 --> 03:41:55,520
compromise was the uh original list that

5605
03:41:55,520 --> 03:41:57,279
we presented to the planning commission

5606
03:41:57,279 --> 03:41:59,120
and then and further discussions there

5607
03:41:59,120 --> 03:42:02,160
was the discussion of limiting use per

5608
03:42:02,160 --> 03:42:04,080
building you know existing building

5609
03:42:04,080 --> 03:42:06,479
versus new development but again like I

5610
03:42:06,479 --> 03:42:07,760
said previously we didn't think that

5611
03:42:07,760 --> 03:42:09,359
could be conditioned in the manner to do

5612
03:42:09,359 --> 03:42:11,279
that

5613
03:42:11,279 --> 03:42:13,359
>> so just so I I'm make sure I'm correct

5614
03:42:13,359 --> 03:42:15,760
on this so originally it sounds like the

5615
03:42:15,760 --> 03:42:17,120
proposal that the applicants brought

5616
03:42:17,120 --> 03:42:18,800
forward now is very similar to what was

5617
03:42:18,800 --> 03:42:20,720
kind of the original compromise that was

5618
03:42:20,720 --> 03:42:22,960
being proposed, but we've pulled away

5619
03:42:22,960 --> 03:42:25,120
from that compromise based on public

5620
03:42:25,120 --> 03:42:27,520
testimony. Is I am I?

5621
03:42:27,520 --> 03:42:29,920
>> Yeah, it it was it it was it was a list

5622
03:42:29,920 --> 03:42:31,520
of uses that was presented based on

5623
03:42:31,520 --> 03:42:32,720
direction from the planning commission

5624
03:42:32,720 --> 03:42:33,920
to see if we can meet with the applicant

5625
03:42:33,920 --> 03:42:36,880
to come up with a you know a set of you

5626
03:42:36,880 --> 03:42:38,160
know set of conditions.

5627
03:42:38,160 --> 03:42:41,429
>> Okay.

5628
03:42:41,439 --> 03:42:43,040
and and we didn't have a we didn't have

5629
03:42:43,040 --> 03:42:45,680
agreement at on the list at that time,

5630
03:42:45,680 --> 03:42:54,150
you know, at the planning commission.

5631
03:42:54,160 --> 03:42:56,880
Um, I don't know if this will go through

5632
03:42:56,880 --> 03:42:58,160
or not, but I think I'd like to propose

5633
03:42:58,160 --> 03:43:00,399
a substitute motion.

5634
03:43:00,399 --> 03:43:03,359
I'd like to Do I need to Can I say the

5635
03:43:03,359 --> 03:43:04,720
substitute motion? Uh, I'd like to

5636
03:43:04,720 --> 03:43:06,560
promote propose a substitute motion that

5637
03:43:06,560 --> 03:43:09,359
we direct staff to go back to the

5638
03:43:09,359 --> 03:43:11,200
applicant and attempt to find a middle

5639
03:43:11,200 --> 03:43:13,199
ground one more time uh, prior to us

5640
03:43:13,199 --> 03:43:18,150
making a decision this final hearing.

5641
03:43:18,160 --> 03:43:21,840
» I'm going to second that for discussion.

5642
03:43:21,840 --> 03:43:24,880
>> We have a motion and a second by Gwyn.

5643
03:43:24,880 --> 03:43:28,000
>> Councelor to the motion. I think what I

5644
03:43:28,000 --> 03:43:29,199
just heard and and what I think is

5645
03:43:29,199 --> 03:43:31,279
really important here is that we have at

5646
03:43:31,279 --> 03:43:33,359
one time we had at least a proposed

5647
03:43:33,359 --> 03:43:36,319
potential compromise and I understand

5648
03:43:36,319 --> 03:43:37,680
that maybe that in the end isn't the

5649
03:43:37,680 --> 03:43:39,199
right compromise. I'm not saying that

5650
03:43:39,199 --> 03:43:41,600
the list that uh has been proposed by

5651
03:43:41,600 --> 03:43:43,279
the applicant is the list that I'm

5652
03:43:43,279 --> 03:43:46,800
comfortable with either. Um,

5653
03:43:46,800 --> 03:43:50,080
but my hope is again that cooler heads

5654
03:43:50,080 --> 03:43:52,239
will prevail here and the smarter people

5655
03:43:52,239 --> 03:43:54,000
will get in the room again and be able

5656
03:43:54,000 --> 03:43:56,160
to find that middle ground that that

5657
03:43:56,160 --> 03:43:58,000
still works for everybody uh before we

5658
03:43:58,000 --> 03:44:00,800
harm a property owner in our city again.

5659
03:44:00,800 --> 03:44:03,120
And so, um, so yeah, that's the reason

5660
03:44:03,120 --> 03:44:06,080
I'm making the the motion uh is to hope

5661
03:44:06,080 --> 03:44:07,680
that they can kind of work together to

5662
03:44:07,680 --> 03:44:10,319
find a middle ground that's reasonable.

5663
03:44:10,319 --> 03:44:12,319
>> Thank you, counselor.

5664
03:44:12,319 --> 03:44:15,359
Any discussion?

5665
03:44:15,359 --> 03:44:17,040
Yes, Councelor Brown.

5666
03:44:17,040 --> 03:44:19,359
>> Thanks, Madam Mayor. Um, I appreciate

5667
03:44:19,359 --> 03:44:21,279
the discussion and I just want to

5668
03:44:21,279 --> 03:44:22,720
acknowledge a couple of things. I want

5669
03:44:22,720 --> 03:44:24,960
to acknowledge that

5670
03:44:24,960 --> 03:44:28,479
the planning um committee and also the

5671
03:44:28,479 --> 03:44:33,840
planning team. I want to say that your work is does not go unnoticed,

5672
03:44:33,840 --> 03:44:36,479
right? This is been a long conversation

5673
03:44:36,479 --> 03:44:39,199
tonight, but it's been a you put a lot

5674
03:44:39,199 --> 03:44:40,560
of work and time in this throughout the

5675
03:44:40,560 --> 03:44:47,199
years, especially going back to 2022. I get that. Um

5676
03:44:47,199 --> 03:44:49,600
I also understand that, you know, when

5677
03:44:49,600 --> 03:44:51,359
notices were sent out, we heard tonight

5678
03:44:51,359 --> 03:44:54,560
that um you know, someone was in

5679
03:44:54,560 --> 03:44:56,160
hospice. So obviously, you know, as

5680
03:44:56,160 --> 03:44:58,080
Madame Mayor said, there's a there's a

5681
03:44:58,080 --> 03:45:00,800
reason to be uh there's a need and a

5682
03:45:00,800 --> 03:45:02,880
reason to be compassionate. I get that.

5683
03:45:02,880 --> 03:45:08,550
Also,

5684
03:45:08,560 --> 03:45:10,960
the struggle for me, as I said before,

5685
03:45:10,960 --> 03:45:12,800
and I'll say it again, the struggle for

5686
03:45:12,800 --> 03:45:15,520
me is that when we drive through parts

5687
03:45:15,520 --> 03:45:20,319
of our city and we have a vision for it,

5688
03:45:20,319 --> 03:45:25,120
um, and we can get very excited and just

5689
03:45:25,120 --> 03:45:28,560
over the top for what it could be. And I

5690
03:45:28,560 --> 03:45:30,640
I'm all about that. I just know we're

5691
03:45:30,640 --> 03:45:33,359
not there yet. And when opportunities

5692
03:45:33,359 --> 03:45:35,600
come our way and we don't take hold of

5693
03:45:35,600 --> 03:45:38,870
them,

5694
03:45:38,880 --> 03:45:40,479
neighbors are left to deal with that

5695
03:45:40,479 --> 03:45:42,960
decision. Also,

5696
03:45:42,960 --> 03:45:44,560
as I said before, this one is hard for

5697
03:45:44,560 --> 03:45:46,720
me because I and I don't know what a

5698
03:45:46,720 --> 03:45:48,080
happy medium is going to look like. I'm

5699
03:45:48,080 --> 03:45:49,520
the one that threw that word in there.

5700
03:45:49,520 --> 03:45:52,399
So, you can blame Irvin. Blame me. So,

5701
03:45:52,399 --> 03:45:53,760
when you get in your cards tonight, you

5702
03:45:53,760 --> 03:45:55,840
be like that that dang Dr. Brown, he had

5703
03:45:55,840 --> 03:45:59,199
to ask bring this up. Um, because I am

5704
03:45:59,199 --> 03:46:00,960
looking for a happy medium. I am looking

5705
03:46:00,960 --> 03:46:03,520
for the opportunity to see that whole

5706
03:46:03,520 --> 03:46:05,600
street look different than what it does

5707
03:46:05,600 --> 03:46:09,040
now. Um I I'm looking for, you know,

5708
03:46:09,040 --> 03:46:10,960
folks to be able to, you know, be in

5709
03:46:10,960 --> 03:46:13,199
those apartments back there and find a

5710
03:46:13,199 --> 03:46:15,760
way that you can because I was surprised

5711
03:46:15,760 --> 03:46:17,359
those apartments even back there when I

5712
03:46:17,359 --> 03:46:19,279
moved in this area six years ago to find

5713
03:46:19,279 --> 03:46:21,920
out that somebody had the audacity and

5714
03:46:21,920 --> 03:46:24,080
the willingness to live back there where

5715
03:46:24,080 --> 03:46:26,239
the train is. I was just like I was

5716
03:46:26,239 --> 03:46:28,000
saying a prayer for y'all because that

5717
03:46:28,000 --> 03:46:30,000
is a no joke area. you got to be

5718
03:46:30,000 --> 03:46:33,920
prepared to live over there. Um, but I

5719
03:46:33,920 --> 03:46:37,120
do hope I am optimistic that if there is

5720
03:46:37,120 --> 03:46:39,600
a happy medium, then yes, but if we come

5721
03:46:39,600 --> 03:46:42,319
back to the same place and we find out,

5722
03:46:42,319 --> 03:46:44,239
hey, we just got to shake hands and go

5723
03:46:44,239 --> 03:46:46,720
our separate ways, we'll have to deal

5724
03:46:46,720 --> 03:46:49,920
with that, too. So, I appreciate uh the

5725
03:46:49,920 --> 03:46:52,000
original motion by councelor Tyan. I

5726
03:46:52,000 --> 03:46:54,239
also appreciate the amended motion by uh

5727
03:46:54,239 --> 03:46:57,840
councelor Matthews. I yield the floor.

5728
03:46:57,840 --> 03:47:00,080
Any

5729
03:47:00,080 --> 03:47:02,880
other comment?

5730
03:47:02,880 --> 03:47:06,319
Uh, councelor Gwyn.

5731
03:47:06,319 --> 03:47:08,160
>> So, I just want to say I can always

5732
03:47:08,160 --> 03:47:11,120
support a win-win. So, if I mean I

5733
03:47:11,120 --> 03:47:14,640
certainly could support a compromise if

5734
03:47:14,640 --> 03:47:18,080
one can be had. So, I would support the

5735
03:47:18,080 --> 03:47:20,239
motion. Councelor Tyan.

5736
03:47:20,239 --> 03:47:22,239
>> Yeah, I don't I'm not sure at this point

5737
03:47:22,239 --> 03:47:24,000
I see the parties coming together, but

5738
03:47:24,000 --> 03:47:25,439
I'll definitely support the motion to

5739
03:47:25,439 --> 03:47:28,800
give it one more try.

5740
03:47:28,800 --> 03:47:33,269
Thank you. Anyone else?

5741
03:47:33,279 --> 03:47:34,960
So, we have a motion and a sec. We have

5742
03:47:34,960 --> 03:47:36,720
a substitute motion and a second. Will

5743
03:47:36,720 --> 03:47:40,720
the recorder please call the role?

5744
03:47:40,720 --> 03:47:42,080
>> Councelor Brown.

5745
03:47:42,080 --> 03:47:43,520
>> I.

5746
03:47:43,520 --> 03:47:45,279
>> Councelor Bang is absent. Councelor

5747
03:47:45,279 --> 03:47:46,000
Nordike.

5748
03:47:46,000 --> 03:47:47,120
>> I.

5749
03:47:47,120 --> 03:47:48,720
>> Councelor Vney.

5750
03:47:48,720 --> 03:47:50,080
>> I.

5751
03:47:50,080 --> 03:47:51,920
>> Councelor Tyen.

5752
03:47:51,920 --> 03:47:52,880
>> I.

5753
03:47:52,880 --> 03:47:55,040
>> Councelor Nishioa.

5754
03:47:55,040 --> 03:47:56,640
>> I.

5755
03:47:56,640 --> 03:47:58,080
Councelor Matthews

5756
03:47:58,080 --> 03:47:58,960
>> I.

5757
03:47:58,960 --> 03:48:00,319
>> Councelor Gwen

5758
03:48:00,319 --> 03:48:00,800
>> I.

5759
03:48:00,800 --> 03:48:05,359
>> Mayor Julie Hoy I. That motion passes.

5760
03:48:05,359 --> 03:48:08,640
All right. Um 10 minutes.

5761
03:48:08,640 --> 03:48:10,080
>> No, we can't. We need to take a short

5762
03:48:10,080 --> 03:48:10,479
break.

5763
03:48:10,479 --> 03:48:12,160
>> We're going to take a short break and

5764
03:48:12,160 --> 03:48:13,920
then But first, should we add some time

5765
03:48:13,920 --> 03:48:15,120
to the clock, sir?

5766
03:48:15,120 --> 03:48:16,399
>> Yes, please. Half hour.

5767
03:48:16,399 --> 03:48:18,560
>> 10:30. Let's say 10.

5768
03:48:18,560 --> 03:48:21,520
>> I move to extend our meeting till 10:30.

5769
03:48:21,520 --> 03:48:22,000
>> Second.

5770
03:48:22,000 --> 03:48:24,000
>> We have a motion and a second by Tyan.

5771
03:48:24,000 --> 03:48:26,000
Um, anyone opposed?

5772
03:48:26,000 --> 03:48:30,630
Nope. Okay. Five minutes.

5773
03:48:30,640 --> 03:54:47,510
» No, the hearing has been closed.

5774
03:54:47,520 --> 03:54:50,479
We're going to get started.

5775
03:54:50,479 --> 03:54:52,319
>> Thank you. We're coming back together

5776
03:54:52,319 --> 03:54:53,840
and the city attorney has a little

5777
03:54:53,840 --> 03:54:56,000
matter of business to take care of.

5778
03:54:56,000 --> 03:54:58,560
>> So, uh, we in conferring with staff and

5779
03:54:58,560 --> 03:55:00,000
the and the parties on that public

5780
03:55:00,000 --> 03:55:03,279
hearing, we need a motion to reopen the

5781
03:55:03,279 --> 03:55:05,359
public hearing and continue it to

5782
03:55:05,359 --> 03:55:07,680
October 12th.

5783
03:55:07,680 --> 03:55:10,880
>> Um, so moved.

5784
03:55:10,880 --> 03:55:11,359
Second.

5785
03:55:11,359 --> 03:55:13,600
>> We have a motion by Mayor Hoy and a

5786
03:55:13,600 --> 03:55:16,239
second by Councelor Matthews. Anything

5787
03:55:16,239 --> 03:55:19,120
to the motion? No. Let's just do this.

5788
03:55:19,120 --> 03:55:20,720
Um, will the recorder please call the

5789
03:55:20,720 --> 03:55:22,560
role?

5790
03:55:22,560 --> 03:55:25,920
>> Councelor Bang absent. Councelor Nordike

5791
03:55:25,920 --> 03:55:26,560
>> I.

5792
03:55:26,560 --> 03:55:28,160
>> Councelor Vney.

5793
03:55:28,160 --> 03:55:29,040
>> I.

5794
03:55:29,040 --> 03:55:30,080
>> Councelor Tyen.

5795
03:55:30,080 --> 03:55:31,439
>> I.

5796
03:55:31,439 --> 03:55:33,520
>> Councelor Nishioa.

5797
03:55:33,520 --> 03:55:34,640
>> I.

5798
03:55:34,640 --> 03:55:35,920
>> Councelor Matthews.

5799
03:55:35,920 --> 03:55:37,520
>> Hi.

5800
03:55:37,520 --> 03:55:39,600
>> Councelor Gwyn. I

5801
03:55:39,600 --> 03:55:40,560
>> councelor Brown

5802
03:55:40,560 --> 03:55:40,960
>> I

5803
03:55:40,960 --> 03:55:42,080
>> Mayor Julie Hoy

5804
03:55:42,080 --> 03:55:46,000
>> I Okay, that motion passes and now we

5805
03:55:46,000 --> 03:55:48,800
are moving on.

5806
03:55:48,800 --> 03:55:51,439
>> Let's track

5807
03:55:51,439 --> 03:55:57,670
to special orders of business.

5808
03:55:57,680 --> 03:55:59,040
No, we do.

5809
03:55:59,040 --> 03:56:02,640
>> It's the Yeah, the poll of 3.3.

5810
03:56:02,640 --> 03:56:05,680
Is it 3.3.1?

5811
03:56:05,680 --> 03:56:11,199
>> Um, which becomes item 5.1, I believe.

5812
03:56:11,199 --> 03:56:13,760
>> Check me on that, Dan. Is that right?

5813
03:56:13,760 --> 03:56:14,880
>> That's correct. Mayor,

5814
03:56:14,880 --> 03:56:18,239
>> thank you very much, city recorder. Um,

5815
03:56:18,239 --> 03:56:21,520
I will

5816
03:56:21,520 --> 03:56:25,439
move um that the Ward

5817
03:56:25,439 --> 03:56:28,319
2 and 8 budget committee positions be

5818
03:56:28,319 --> 03:56:30,399
declared open and that the remaining

5819
03:56:30,399 --> 03:56:33,359
recommendations in item 3.3.1 be

5820
03:56:33,359 --> 03:56:36,630
approved.

5821
03:56:36,640 --> 03:56:40,720
» Second motion and a second by Gwyn.

5822
03:56:40,720 --> 03:56:44,319
And to speak to the motion, I will add,

5823
03:56:44,319 --> 03:56:46,239
I pulled this item because I believe the

5824
03:56:46,239 --> 03:56:47,920
full council should have an opportunity

5825
03:56:47,920 --> 03:56:51,439
to decide whether we simply reappoint

5826
03:56:51,439 --> 03:56:54,720
the incumbent to another the incumbents

5827
03:56:54,720 --> 03:56:57,600
to another three-year term or open the

5828
03:56:57,600 --> 03:57:01,120
ward 2 and 8 budget committee seats and

5829
03:57:01,120 --> 03:57:02,560
consider the residents who have

5830
03:57:02,560 --> 03:57:05,279
expressed an interest in serving.

5831
03:57:05,279 --> 03:57:08,080
We already have applications from W 2

5832
03:57:08,080 --> 03:57:10,960
and W 8 RE residents under the

5833
03:57:10,960 --> 03:57:13,279
reappointment process before us tonight.

5834
03:57:13,279 --> 03:57:15,120
Those applicants will not be considered

5835
03:57:15,120 --> 03:57:17,120
if council simply concurs with the

5836
03:57:17,120 --> 03:57:18,720
recommendation to reappoint the

5837
03:57:18,720 --> 03:57:20,479
incumbents.

5838
03:57:20,479 --> 03:57:22,479
I understand that traditionally when a

5839
03:57:22,479 --> 03:57:24,000
budget committee member is willing to

5840
03:57:24,000 --> 03:57:26,000
serve another term, we have often

5841
03:57:26,000 --> 03:57:28,399
reappointed that person. But I don't

5842
03:57:28,399 --> 03:57:30,800
believe that tradition by itself should

5843
03:57:30,800 --> 03:57:34,000
determine an appointment. In fact, our

5844
03:57:34,000 --> 03:57:35,840
council rules expressly give us a

5845
03:57:35,840 --> 03:57:38,160
choice. They provide that when an

5846
03:57:38,160 --> 03:57:40,000
incumbent seeks reappointment, the

5847
03:57:40,000 --> 03:57:42,239
position may either be reappointed or

5848
03:57:42,239 --> 03:57:44,640
declared open. And if the position is

5849
03:57:44,640 --> 03:57:47,040
opened, the incumbent is not excluded

5850
03:57:47,040 --> 03:57:50,000
from consideration. That's the process I

5851
03:57:50,000 --> 03:57:51,760
would prefer.

5852
03:57:51,760 --> 03:57:54,640
There are other W 2 and 8 residents who

5853
03:57:54,640 --> 03:57:56,479
have taken the time to apply and

5854
03:57:56,479 --> 03:57:58,239
expressed a willingness to serve their

5855
03:57:58,239 --> 03:58:01,279
city. I don't think those applications

5856
03:58:01,279 --> 03:58:04,080
should effectively be shut out simply

5857
03:58:04,080 --> 03:58:06,880
because we've traditionally reappointed

5858
03:58:06,880 --> 03:58:10,239
an incumbent who is willing to continue.

5859
03:58:10,239 --> 03:58:12,399
The bud the budget committee has an

5860
03:58:12,399 --> 03:58:14,160
important responsibility involving the

5861
03:58:14,160 --> 03:58:16,160
people's money and the core services our

5862
03:58:16,160 --> 03:58:18,560
community depends upon.

5863
03:58:18,560 --> 03:58:21,199
Opening these positions gives us an

5864
03:58:21,199 --> 03:58:22,800
opportunity to consider different

5865
03:58:22,800 --> 03:58:25,359
experiences, professional backgrounds,

5866
03:58:25,359 --> 03:58:27,840
and approaches to that work.

5867
03:58:27,840 --> 03:58:30,080
I would like all of the applicants to be

5868
03:58:30,080 --> 03:58:32,640
considered and would like to consider

5869
03:58:32,640 --> 03:58:37,199
interviewing all applicants before ma uh

5870
03:58:37,199 --> 03:58:39,920
before making

5871
03:58:39,920 --> 03:58:42,880
an additional three-year appointment.

5872
03:58:42,880 --> 03:58:45,040
For those reasons, I move that the ward

5873
03:58:45,040 --> 03:58:47,359
2 and 8 budget committee positions be

5874
03:58:47,359 --> 03:58:49,199
declared open and that the remaining

5875
03:58:49,199 --> 03:58:53,040
recommendations in item 3.3.1

5876
03:58:53,040 --> 03:58:54,880
be approved.

5877
03:58:54,880 --> 03:58:56,399
Any

5878
03:58:56,399 --> 03:58:59,670
discussion,

5879
03:58:59,680 --> 03:59:01,520
Councelor Nordic?

5880
03:59:01,520 --> 03:59:03,439
>> Absolutely. I will be voting in

5881
03:59:03,439 --> 03:59:05,279
opposition to this, mayor, for reasons

5882
03:59:05,279 --> 03:59:07,279
we've already discussed,

5883
03:59:07,279 --> 03:59:09,439
but I'll reiterate it now. For those of

5884
03:59:09,439 --> 03:59:12,000
you who didn't watch the board and

5885
03:59:12,000 --> 03:59:13,760
appointments committee meeting where we

5886
03:59:13,760 --> 03:59:15,279
discussed this, we had a very long

5887
03:59:15,279 --> 03:59:17,840
conversation about this.

5888
03:59:17,840 --> 03:59:21,840
is not about tradition.

5889
03:59:21,840 --> 03:59:24,000
This is about the fact that we have two

5890
03:59:24,000 --> 03:59:25,840
budget committee members who have

5891
03:59:25,840 --> 03:59:28,239
faithfully attended the meetings, who've

5892
03:59:28,239 --> 03:59:31,199
shown up, done the homework, done

5893
03:59:31,199 --> 03:59:32,800
everything we have asked of them, and

5894
03:59:32,800 --> 03:59:35,680
have participated and been very vocal

5895
03:59:35,680 --> 03:59:37,600
about their positions on budget

5896
03:59:37,600 --> 03:59:40,160
committee

5897
03:59:40,160 --> 03:59:42,800
and the practice

5898
03:59:42,800 --> 03:59:45,760
of appointments to committees, whether

5899
03:59:45,760 --> 03:59:49,199
it's budget committee or literally any

5900
03:59:49,199 --> 03:59:51,199
other border committee. committee that

5901
03:59:51,199 --> 03:59:54,319
this body oversees is that if you have a

5902
03:59:54,319 --> 03:59:56,640
member in good standing who wants to

5903
03:59:56,640 --> 03:59:59,760
renew and continue serving,

5904
03:59:59,760 --> 04:00:03,120
you don't say no just because you

5905
04:00:03,120 --> 04:00:05,359
disagree with them or because you think

5906
04:00:05,359 --> 04:00:06,960
there might be somebody better out

5907
04:00:06,960 --> 04:00:10,239
there. It's beyond rude. It's

5908
04:00:10,239 --> 04:00:11,760
disrespectful.

5909
04:00:11,760 --> 04:00:14,560
It sends the message that we don't care

5910
04:00:14,560 --> 04:00:16,880
that you've shown up. We don't care that

5911
04:00:16,880 --> 04:00:18,880
you've demonstrated the experience and

5912
04:00:18,880 --> 04:00:21,439
the expertise and the stick with itness

5913
04:00:21,439 --> 04:00:24,560
that it takes to come to hours of budget

5914
04:00:24,560 --> 04:00:28,239
committee meetings or spra meetings or

5915
04:00:28,239 --> 04:00:33,189
planning commission meetings. No,

5916
04:00:33,199 --> 04:00:35,040
these two individuals have worked

5917
04:00:35,040 --> 04:00:37,279
extremely hard to represent their wards

5918
04:00:37,279 --> 04:00:39,840
and they've done so with integrity. And

5919
04:00:39,840 --> 04:00:41,600
I personally don't agree with everything

5920
04:00:41,600 --> 04:00:43,359
that they've done on budget committee.

5921
04:00:43,359 --> 04:00:45,680
But that is not a basis by which to not

5922
04:00:45,680 --> 04:00:48,160
allow them to continue. And the

5923
04:00:48,160 --> 04:00:50,720
additional members did not apply until

5924
04:00:50,720 --> 04:00:53,840
you insisted that others apply because

5925
04:00:53,840 --> 04:00:55,359
you didn't like the list in front of

5926
04:00:55,359 --> 04:00:57,120
you.

5927
04:00:57,120 --> 04:01:00,640
And that's the honest truth.

5928
04:01:00,640 --> 04:01:02,960
The reality is we have reappointed

5929
04:01:02,960 --> 04:01:05,840
budget committee members before. We have

5930
04:01:05,840 --> 04:01:08,640
reappointed countless members before.

5931
04:01:08,640 --> 04:01:10,160
But these two gentlemen have done

5932
04:01:10,160 --> 04:01:12,880
everything we've asked to them. And it

5933
04:01:12,880 --> 04:01:18,080
sends a message, the wrong message that

5934
04:01:18,080 --> 04:01:21,359
sure, we'll point you to this board, but

5935
04:01:21,359 --> 04:01:23,920
if we don't like it or if we think there

5936
04:01:23,920 --> 04:01:27,359
might be a bigger better deal out there,

5937
04:01:27,359 --> 04:01:29,680
we are not going to renew your term of

5938
04:01:29,680 --> 04:01:32,640
service. And we try so hard to promote a

5939
04:01:32,640 --> 04:01:34,560
spirit of volunteerism in this

5940
04:01:34,560 --> 04:01:37,359
community. We work so hard to get anyone

5941
04:01:37,359 --> 04:01:39,120
to apply for these positions and

5942
04:01:39,120 --> 04:01:41,600
sometimes it's like pulling teeth

5943
04:01:41,600 --> 04:01:44,239
finding people who will not just apply

5944
04:01:44,239 --> 04:01:46,720
but meet the qualifications

5945
04:01:46,720 --> 04:01:49,359
and then the real work begins. Do they

5946
04:01:49,359 --> 04:01:52,080
actually come to the meetings?

5947
04:01:52,080 --> 04:01:54,880
Do they actually participate? And in

5948
04:01:54,880 --> 04:01:56,720
both cases

5949
04:01:56,720 --> 04:01:59,760
we can unequivocally say yes that both

5950
04:01:59,760 --> 04:02:02,720
Mr. Guyire and Mr. Manville have shown

5951
04:02:02,720 --> 04:02:04,960
up and participated with integrity and

5952
04:02:04,960 --> 04:02:06,640
have leaned into the budget committee

5953
04:02:06,640 --> 04:02:08,720
work which is the most important work

5954
04:02:08,720 --> 04:02:10,800
that we do at a committee level because

5955
04:02:10,800 --> 04:02:13,199
it informs the perspective on government

5956
04:02:13,199 --> 04:02:16,080
itself and where our priorities truly

5957
04:02:16,080 --> 04:02:18,479
lie because if it's not in the budget it

5958
04:02:18,479 --> 04:02:21,359
doesn't exist. So I respectfully

5959
04:02:21,359 --> 04:02:23,920
disagree with that process.

5960
04:02:23,920 --> 04:02:27,359
I think we need to keep politics out of

5961
04:02:27,359 --> 04:02:29,760
the budget committee process. If we have

5962
04:02:29,760 --> 04:02:31,760
two individuals who've done the work and

5963
04:02:31,760 --> 04:02:35,439
are ready to renew for one more term,

5964
04:02:35,439 --> 04:02:37,199
then they should be allowed to do that

5965
04:02:37,199 --> 04:02:39,520
regardless of what their votes have

5966
04:02:39,520 --> 04:02:41,120
looked like in a budget committee

5967
04:02:41,120 --> 04:02:44,000
meeting, regardless of their politics.

5968
04:02:44,000 --> 04:02:47,199
That's irrelevant. Like, and I just

5969
04:02:47,199 --> 04:02:50,239
think it sets a very wrong precedent. I

5970
04:02:50,239 --> 04:02:52,399
think we should open nominations for

5971
04:02:52,399 --> 04:02:54,640
positions when there is no incumbent in

5972
04:02:54,640 --> 04:02:57,040
good standing. But other than that, I

5973
04:02:57,040 --> 04:02:58,720
think it's a slap in the face to someone

5974
04:02:58,720 --> 04:03:01,120
who has decided to step up and serve and

5975
04:03:01,120 --> 04:03:03,199
spend all of their time voluntarily with

5976
04:03:03,199 --> 04:03:05,520
us oftentimes late late into the

5977
04:03:05,520 --> 04:03:07,760
midnight hours. So, I vehemently

5978
04:03:07,760 --> 04:03:09,680
disagree with this motion in this last

5979
04:03:09,680 --> 04:03:11,760
ditch effort to get these two men kicked

5980
04:03:11,760 --> 04:03:16,870
off of the budget committee.

5981
04:03:16,880 --> 04:03:20,479
» Anyone else? Councelor Barney.

5982
04:03:20,479 --> 04:03:23,279
>> Thank you, Councelor Nordike. I watched

5983
04:03:23,279 --> 04:03:26,239
the recording about 1:00 in the morning,

5984
04:03:26,239 --> 04:03:30,560
I don't know, a few days ago. Um,

5985
04:03:30,560 --> 04:03:33,600
and following uh at the discussion, you

5986
04:03:33,600 --> 04:03:36,800
know, there was nothing that indicated,

5987
04:03:36,800 --> 04:03:38,880
nothing seen, read, heard anything

5988
04:03:38,880 --> 04:03:41,920
against either applicant that would

5989
04:03:41,920 --> 04:03:44,399
constitute a reason not to support their

5990
04:03:44,399 --> 04:03:46,080
reappointment.

5991
04:03:46,080 --> 04:03:48,880
And I know them personally. We I know

5992
04:03:48,880 --> 04:03:50,560
we've served on the budget committee

5993
04:03:50,560 --> 04:03:52,800
with them, etc. They represent their

5994
04:03:52,800 --> 04:03:56,080
wards and uh I will not be supporting

5995
04:03:56,080 --> 04:04:01,030
this motion.

5996
04:04:01,040 --> 04:04:05,920
» Anyone else? Councelor Matthews.

5997
04:04:05,920 --> 04:04:07,680
>> I mean I will point out that the reason

5998
04:04:07,680 --> 04:04:09,439
we have the relication in the first

5999
04:04:09,439 --> 04:04:11,359
place is to see this process play out.

6000
04:04:11,359 --> 04:04:12,479
So it felt like there was a little bit

6001
04:04:12,479 --> 04:04:14,720
of mudslinging happening on why the

6002
04:04:14,720 --> 04:04:20,239
motion came forward. And the reality is the reason the motion is even allowed

6003
04:04:20,239 --> 04:04:21,680
to come forward is because our process

6004
04:04:21,680 --> 04:04:25,439
exists for this to happen. And so the I guess I struggle a little bit with the

6005
04:04:25,439 --> 04:04:27,120
politics playing out right here in this

6006
04:04:27,120 --> 04:04:30,399
room um where we're mudslinging as to

6007
04:04:30,399 --> 04:04:32,560
why this motion's coming forward. I I

6008
04:04:32,560 --> 04:04:34,800
mentioned in the committee meeting

6009
04:04:34,800 --> 04:04:38,960
myself that I actually don't like our particular policy on this where we

6010
04:04:38,960 --> 04:04:42,160
evaluate the applicant without

6011
04:04:42,160 --> 04:04:43,920
acknowledging that any other applicants

6012
04:04:43,920 --> 04:04:47,120
even exist. I think that's somewhat of a

6013
04:04:47,120 --> 04:04:49,359
archaic policy simply because

6014
04:04:49,359 --> 04:04:50,960
tradition's been there, it seems like a

6015
04:04:50,960 --> 04:04:53,520
bad bad reason to keep it going. And so

6016
04:04:53,520 --> 04:04:55,600
I feel like in this scenario and in

6017
04:04:55,600 --> 04:04:58,319
every scenario on every committee, not

6018
04:04:58,319 --> 04:05:00,399
just budget committee, we should every

6019
04:05:00,399 --> 04:05:02,160
single time that an applicant comes up

6020
04:05:02,160 --> 04:05:04,319
for reappoint be evaluating all

6021
04:05:04,319 --> 04:05:06,239
applicants in the pool at that time. The

6022
04:05:06,239 --> 04:05:08,479
citizens are consistently asking us

6023
04:05:08,479 --> 04:05:11,359
always to have the best candidate. Does

6024
04:05:11,359 --> 04:05:13,040
likely the best candidate mean the

6025
04:05:13,040 --> 04:05:14,560
person that's already educated in this

6026
04:05:14,560 --> 04:05:15,840
area, that's already been doing the

6027
04:05:15,840 --> 04:05:18,399
work? Almost exclusively, that will

6028
04:05:18,399 --> 04:05:21,600
probably be true. However, it is also

6029
04:05:21,600 --> 04:05:24,000
our job to do our due diligence every

6030
04:05:24,000 --> 04:05:26,880
time. And so, the idea that we would say

6031
04:05:26,880 --> 04:05:28,720
screw our due diligence. We're just

6032
04:05:28,720 --> 04:05:30,880
going to take the traditional route, I

6033
04:05:30,880 --> 04:05:33,840
think is a bad policy that we have. And

6034
04:05:33,840 --> 04:05:35,439
that's why I'll be voting in favor of

6035
04:05:35,439 --> 04:05:37,120
tonight. Simply because if I had my

6036
04:05:37,120 --> 04:05:38,800
choice, we'd be changing the policy on

6037
04:05:38,800 --> 04:05:40,800
every one of these tonight. So that

6038
04:05:40,800 --> 04:05:42,319
every single time that a reappointment

6039
04:05:42,319 --> 04:05:44,479
came up in every single committee, it

6040
04:05:44,479 --> 04:05:47,520
wasn't this politically used thing that

6041
04:05:47,520 --> 04:05:49,120
it's become tonight. But it's just

6042
04:05:49,120 --> 04:05:50,800
standard practice that everybody gets

6043
04:05:50,800 --> 04:05:53,040
evaluated. That's how [snorts] it is

6044
04:05:53,040 --> 04:05:54,479
everywhere else. When you have to

6045
04:05:54,479 --> 04:05:56,399
reapply for your job, you reapply

6046
04:05:56,399 --> 04:05:59,040
against everyone else. And so I don't

6047
04:05:59,040 --> 04:06:00,720
know. I feel like it's being used

6048
04:06:00,720 --> 04:06:03,520
tonight and that's not the intent I

6049
04:06:03,520 --> 04:06:06,560
don't think.

6050
04:06:06,560 --> 04:06:08,239
>> Thank you, Councelor Mat Matthews.

6051
04:06:08,239 --> 04:06:11,680
Certainly not the intent by me. Um,

6052
04:06:11,680 --> 04:06:13,680
this is not a matter of whether or not

6053
04:06:13,680 --> 04:06:16,000
Mr. Manville or Mr. Guyire is are

6054
04:06:16,000 --> 04:06:19,439
qualified. It's about we have we had

6055
04:06:19,439 --> 04:06:21,040
other applicants. People can apply

6056
04:06:21,040 --> 04:06:23,040
throughout the year. I think that they

6057
04:06:23,040 --> 04:06:24,960
should should be able to be considered.

6058
04:06:24,960 --> 04:06:27,840
It was in the uh budget committee and uh

6059
04:06:27,840 --> 04:06:30,800
commission's meeting that um we were

6060
04:06:30,800 --> 04:06:33,920
made aware that you cannot consider

6061
04:06:33,920 --> 04:06:36,720
those applications until the seat is

6062
04:06:36,720 --> 04:06:39,920
declared open and that can't happen

6063
04:06:39,920 --> 04:06:42,319
without a moment like this when you have

6064
04:06:42,319 --> 04:06:45,359
incumbents sitting. So that's why I

6065
04:06:45,359 --> 04:06:47,520
brought this forward so that we could

6066
04:06:47,520 --> 04:06:50,399
consider um the other applicants. So

6067
04:06:50,399 --> 04:06:52,319
councelor uh councelor Brown,

6068
04:06:52,319 --> 04:06:53,840
>> you can call me councelor Matthews. I'll

6069
04:06:53,840 --> 04:06:58,319
still answer. I just have a better tan.

6070
04:06:58,319 --> 04:07:01,359
Um anyways, back to what's at stake

6071
04:07:01,359 --> 04:07:04,720
here. And this is this is another tough

6072
04:07:04,720 --> 04:07:08,080
one. Here we go. Um

6073
04:07:08,080 --> 04:07:11,279
because my mind goes back to

6074
04:07:11,279 --> 04:07:15,600
the last meeting we had about um folks

6075
04:07:15,600 --> 04:07:17,439
wanting to serve. That takes me back to

6076
04:07:17,439 --> 04:07:19,120
January. And if you can remember how

6077
04:07:19,120 --> 04:07:21,760
that played out, uh, here we are again

6078
04:07:21,760 --> 04:07:23,279
discussing

6079
04:07:23,279 --> 04:07:25,920
who can be on a board or commission. And

6080
04:07:25,920 --> 04:07:27,840
I would agree with councelor Matthews.

6081
04:07:27,840 --> 04:07:30,880
There's a part of me that says yes, it

6082
04:07:30,880 --> 04:07:35,120
would be need to revamp um, you know,

6083
04:07:35,120 --> 04:07:36,960
the selection of voting process. I

6084
04:07:36,960 --> 04:07:39,359
totally get that. I also totally

6085
04:07:39,359 --> 04:07:40,960
understand where councelor Nordike is

6086
04:07:40,960 --> 04:07:43,120
coming from because when I was on the

6087
04:07:43,120 --> 04:07:47,040
budget committee um you know no one from

6088
04:07:47,040 --> 04:07:49,520
W five was even on it when I originally

6089
04:07:49,520 --> 04:07:52,720
applied and then I also know that I I I

6090
04:07:52,720 --> 04:07:55,359
reapplied and I don't think I don't

6091
04:07:55,359 --> 04:07:56,720
think I was up against anyone because I

6092
04:07:56,720 --> 04:07:59,040
was just reappointed and so I totally

6093
04:07:59,040 --> 04:08:00,640
see the point that that you're making.

6094
04:08:00,640 --> 04:08:02,720
So, I'm kind of like in the middle here

6095
04:08:02,720 --> 04:08:07,040
again because um yes, these folks have

6096
04:08:07,040 --> 04:08:10,479
done their job uh really well and also

6097
04:08:10,479 --> 04:08:11,920
as Madame Mayer had said, there are

6098
04:08:11,920 --> 04:08:15,199
other people out there that may also

6099
04:08:15,199 --> 04:08:17,359
want to apply, but you can't really give

6100
04:08:17,359 --> 04:08:18,880
those folks a chance if someone is in

6101
04:08:18,880 --> 04:08:21,520
that seat. So, it's a it's like a

6102
04:08:21,520 --> 04:08:23,920
juxaposition. We're in a interesting

6103
04:08:23,920 --> 04:08:27,120
place here. Um unless Mr. city attorney

6104
04:08:27,120 --> 04:08:29,600
can speak light to this and and iron out

6105
04:08:29,600 --> 04:08:31,920
any detail that I don't see. Am I

6106
04:08:31,920 --> 04:08:35,120
missing anything, Mr. City Attorney?

6107
04:08:35,120 --> 04:08:37,199
>> Councelor, no. As as the mayor stated

6108
04:08:37,199 --> 04:08:40,720
that the rules allow for uh uh an

6109
04:08:40,720 --> 04:08:42,399
incumbent to be either reappointed or

6110
04:08:42,399 --> 04:08:44,080
the position to be cleared open. So,

6111
04:08:44,080 --> 04:08:46,080
that's council's choice.

6112
04:08:46,080 --> 04:08:48,319
>> Okay. Thank you for bringing um the

6113
04:08:48,319 --> 04:08:50,080
motion, Madame Mayor, and I definitely

6114
04:08:50,080 --> 04:08:53,279
appreciate um the sentiments behind it.

6115
04:08:53,279 --> 04:08:55,279
Um Council Nordike and Councelor

6116
04:08:55,279 --> 04:08:56,960
Matthews. So, thank you both. I yield

6117
04:08:56,960 --> 04:08:59,520
the floor.

6118
04:08:59,520 --> 04:09:02,720
>> Councelor Quinn,

6119
04:09:02,720 --> 04:09:04,960
>> I struggle with this one for a couple of

6120
04:09:04,960 --> 04:09:08,000
reasons. Um, you know, we do on one hand

6121
04:09:08,000 --> 04:09:10,640
we have tradition.

6122
04:09:10,640 --> 04:09:13,920
um budget committee in particular one

6123
04:09:13,920 --> 04:09:15,520
and planning commission two. Those are

6124
04:09:15,520 --> 04:09:20,160
the two um commissions or and committee

6125
04:09:20,160 --> 04:09:22,239
that we

6126
04:09:22,239 --> 04:09:26,239
for the most part um do interviews for.

6127
04:09:26,239 --> 04:09:29,040
They both take a lot of technical

6128
04:09:29,040 --> 04:09:32,080
knowledge. So it's a three-year

6129
04:09:32,080 --> 04:09:34,640
appointment I'm pretty sure on on budget

6130
04:09:34,640 --> 04:09:38,239
committee. And I feel like that it it

6131
04:09:38,239 --> 04:09:40,800
takes at least a year to even get

6132
04:09:40,800 --> 04:09:43,439
acclimated with the process and to

6133
04:09:43,439 --> 04:09:45,040
understand

6134
04:09:45,040 --> 04:09:49,520
um how our budgets work.

6135
04:09:49,520 --> 04:09:53,359
So yeah, I'm I'm mixed on it. Um I also

6136
04:09:53,359 --> 04:09:56,479
know personally one of the one of the

6137
04:09:56,479 --> 04:09:59,840
applicants um

6138
04:09:59,840 --> 04:10:02,720
and I think that he's done a great job

6139
04:10:02,720 --> 04:10:05,920
on on budget committee and so Yeah. So,

6140
04:10:05,920 --> 04:10:07,120
I don't know what I'm going to do,

6141
04:10:07,120 --> 04:10:10,710
honestly.

6142
04:10:10,720 --> 04:10:12,399
» Anyone else?

6143
04:10:12,399 --> 04:10:14,479
>> Madame Mayor, I appreciate the motion.

6144
04:10:14,479 --> 04:10:17,279
Um, I'll I'll vote against it, but I um

6145
04:10:17,279 --> 04:10:19,680
because I feel like the the folks who

6146
04:10:19,680 --> 04:10:22,560
applied for this as incumbents

6147
04:10:22,560 --> 04:10:26,560
applied under that framework. And I

6148
04:10:26,560 --> 04:10:28,800
would, to Matthew's point, be interested

6149
04:10:28,800 --> 04:10:31,760
in reconsidering how we do this,

6150
04:10:31,760 --> 04:10:33,040
especially for the planning commission

6151
04:10:33,040 --> 04:10:35,359
and the budget committee. We if you're

6152
04:10:35,359 --> 04:10:37,040
on one of those commissions or that

6153
04:10:37,040 --> 04:10:38,720
committee, that's the only one you can

6154
04:10:38,720 --> 04:10:40,960
be on. Um we really ask people to

6155
04:10:40,960 --> 04:10:45,120
dedicate their time. Um I think uh I

6156
04:10:45,120 --> 04:10:46,640
don't play a role in committee

6157
04:10:46,640 --> 04:10:48,239
appointments. I don't have that that

6158
04:10:48,239 --> 04:10:51,040
role in my uh that arrow on my quiver.

6159
04:10:51,040 --> 04:10:53,279
Um but

6160
04:10:53,279 --> 04:10:55,920
we know that these are deliberations

6161
04:10:55,920 --> 04:10:57,600
that matter in terms of the work that we

6162
04:10:57,600 --> 04:11:00,319
asked them to do. So, I I appreciate the

6163
04:11:00,319 --> 04:11:02,800
tenor of the motion in terms of wanting

6164
04:11:02,800 --> 04:11:04,880
to make sure we have the best people

6165
04:11:04,880 --> 04:11:06,960
available and I think we should consider

6166
04:11:06,960 --> 04:11:10,560
that change in the future.

6167
04:11:10,560 --> 04:11:12,960
>> Thank you, Councelor Tigan. It truly is

6168
04:11:12,960 --> 04:11:15,199
the intent. You know, we we want people

6169
04:11:15,199 --> 04:11:17,520
to want to be involved and those are

6170
04:11:17,520 --> 04:11:19,520
that's a three-year commitment and

6171
04:11:19,520 --> 04:11:21,520
that's a good long time. And when the

6172
04:11:21,520 --> 04:11:24,399
opportunity arises to be able to apply

6173
04:11:24,399 --> 04:11:27,760
because it may become open, um it's good

6174
04:11:27,760 --> 04:11:30,720
to be able to accept those applications.

6175
04:11:30,720 --> 04:11:34,880
And when we don't declare the seat open,

6176
04:11:34,880 --> 04:11:36,560
those people who have stepped forward

6177
04:11:36,560 --> 04:11:39,600
with an interest in helping their city

6178
04:11:39,600 --> 04:11:42,319
for three-year commitment aren't able to

6179
04:11:42,319 --> 04:11:45,279
be considered. So

6180
04:11:45,279 --> 04:11:47,040
that's the whole reason I brought this

6181
04:11:47,040 --> 04:11:48,960
forward.

6182
04:11:48,960 --> 04:11:51,120
nothing about the other things that were

6183
04:11:51,120 --> 04:11:54,239
iterated earlier.

6184
04:11:54,239 --> 04:11:58,630
So, thank you for understanding.

6185
04:11:58,640 --> 04:12:00,160
Yeah, councelor Vney.

6186
04:12:00,160 --> 04:12:03,840
>> Thank you. Um, did this topic come up

6187
04:12:03,840 --> 04:12:05,840
when we were

6188
04:12:05,840 --> 04:12:08,080
talk well when the committee was talking

6189
04:12:08,080 --> 04:12:10,319
about revising all the rules? I was just

6190
04:12:10,319 --> 04:12:13,199
curious

6191
04:12:13,199 --> 04:12:14,960
>> as I remember it, not this particular

6192
04:12:14,960 --> 04:12:17,359
topic, but um city attorney, you might

6193
04:12:17,359 --> 04:12:19,040
have recollection.

6194
04:12:19,040 --> 04:12:20,720
>> Councelor Matthews,

6195
04:12:20,720 --> 04:12:22,239
>> I was going to say to my understanding

6196
04:12:22,239 --> 04:12:25,040
or my remembering, no. Uh the when we

6197
04:12:25,040 --> 04:12:26,239
learned about this or when I learned

6198
04:12:26,239 --> 04:12:27,760
about this was during our committee

6199
04:12:27,760 --> 04:12:29,920
meeting uh in the board's commitment or

6200
04:12:29,920 --> 04:12:31,520
boards and committees appointments

6201
04:12:31,520 --> 04:12:32,960
committee. And so that's when I learned

6202
04:12:32,960 --> 04:12:35,439
about this policy that existed where you

6203
04:12:35,439 --> 04:12:38,800
can't or shouldn't uh review

6204
04:12:38,800 --> 04:12:40,880
applications that have been received

6205
04:12:40,880 --> 04:12:45,439
prior to singularly reviewing the uh

6206
04:12:45,439 --> 04:12:47,760
applicant that's in place and opening

6207
04:12:47,760 --> 04:12:49,680
the position so you can review all three

6208
04:12:49,680 --> 04:12:52,560
or however many there are. And so I

6209
04:12:52,560 --> 04:12:54,479
think that that right there is the is

6210
04:12:54,479 --> 04:12:56,319
the crux of like I say a policy problem

6211
04:12:56,319 --> 04:12:58,479
that we have because in my mind every

6212
04:12:58,479 --> 04:13:00,560
single time we should be evaluating all

6213
04:13:00,560 --> 04:13:04,080
applications. So,

6214
04:13:04,080 --> 04:13:06,800
>> anyone else?

6215
04:13:06,800 --> 04:13:08,399
Okay, seeing nothing further further,

6216
04:13:08,399 --> 04:13:11,040
will the recorder please call the role?

6217
04:13:11,040 --> 04:13:12,800
>> Councelor Nordike,

6218
04:13:12,800 --> 04:13:14,479
>> nay.

6219
04:13:14,479 --> 04:13:16,000
>> Councelor Vney,

6220
04:13:16,000 --> 04:13:17,680
>> nay.

6221
04:13:17,680 --> 04:13:18,800
>> Councelor Tyen,

6222
04:13:18,800 --> 04:13:20,399
>> nay.

6223
04:13:20,399 --> 04:13:22,479
>> Councelor Nishioa,

6224
04:13:22,479 --> 04:13:24,239
>> nay.

6225
04:13:24,239 --> 04:13:25,840
>> Councelor Matthews,

6226
04:13:25,840 --> 04:13:27,439
>> I.

6227
04:13:27,439 --> 04:13:29,840
>> Councelor Gwen,

6228
04:13:29,840 --> 04:13:31,680
>> nay.

6229
04:13:31,680 --> 04:13:35,429
Councelor Brown.

6230
04:13:35,439 --> 04:13:37,279
» Nay.

6231
04:13:37,279 --> 04:13:40,560
>> Councelor Bang.

6232
04:13:40,560 --> 04:13:42,800
>> It's absent. Excuse me. And Mayor Julie

6233
04:13:42,800 --> 04:13:46,239
Hoy. I motion fails.

6234
04:13:46,239 --> 04:13:49,199
>> We still need a motion on this item.

6235
04:13:49,199 --> 04:13:49,760
>> Say again.

6236
04:13:49,760 --> 04:13:51,199
>> We still need a motion on this item.

6237
04:13:51,199 --> 04:13:53,760
That was a substitute motion. So you can

6238
04:13:53,760 --> 04:13:55,199
make a motion to do the appointment.

6239
04:13:55,199 --> 04:13:58,319
>> What was a substitute motion?

6240
04:13:58,319 --> 04:14:01,040
I move to appoint uh all committee

6241
04:14:01,040 --> 04:14:04,159
appointment members uh as proposed in

6242
04:14:04,159 --> 04:14:06,080
the original agenda.

6243
04:14:06,080 --> 04:14:07,439
>> Second.

6244
04:14:07,439 --> 04:14:11,040
>> Motion and a second by Tyan.

6245
04:14:11,040 --> 04:14:13,279
>> Counselor. Anything to the motion?

6246
04:14:13,279 --> 04:14:18,389
>> Nothing added.

6247
04:14:18,399 --> 04:14:20,080
» Okay. Will the recorder please call the

6248
04:14:20,080 --> 04:14:21,359
role?

6249
04:14:21,359 --> 04:14:23,520
>> Councelor Vney.

6250
04:14:23,520 --> 04:14:27,359
>> I. Councelor Tyen. I

6251
04:14:27,359 --> 04:14:29,520
>> councelor Nishioa

6252
04:14:29,520 --> 04:14:31,040
>> I

6253
04:14:31,040 --> 04:14:32,399
>> councelor Matthews

6254
04:14:32,399 --> 04:14:33,840
>> I

6255
04:14:33,840 --> 04:14:34,960
>> councelor Gwen

6256
04:14:34,960 --> 04:14:36,000
>> I

6257
04:14:36,000 --> 04:14:37,199
>> councelor Brown

6258
04:14:37,199 --> 04:14:38,159
>> I

6259
04:14:38,159 --> 04:14:39,680
>> councelor Vang is absent councelor

6260
04:14:39,680 --> 04:14:40,560
Nordike

6261
04:14:40,560 --> 04:14:41,040
>> I

6262
04:14:41,040 --> 04:14:42,880
>> mayor Julie Hoy

6263
04:14:42,880 --> 04:14:47,359
>> nay motion passes

6264
04:14:47,359 --> 04:14:48,560
all right we are moving on to

6265
04:14:48,560 --> 04:14:50,640
information reports

6266
04:14:50,640 --> 04:14:53,359
um item 6.1 just stop me if there's

6267
04:14:53,359 --> 04:14:55,359
something you need to add a summary of

6268
04:14:55,359 --> 04:14:57,199
Public input from the first data center

6269
04:14:57,199 --> 04:15:00,159
town hall.

6270
04:15:00,159 --> 04:15:02,159
Item 6.2, purchases approved

6271
04:15:02,159 --> 04:15:04,800
administratively from August 1st, 2026

6272
04:15:04,800 --> 04:15:07,840
through August 31st, 2026.

6273
04:15:07,840 --> 04:15:09,840
6.3, conditional use permit for

6274
04:15:09,840 --> 04:15:11,520
short-term rental within an existing

6275
04:15:11,520 --> 04:15:14,080
single family dwelling located at 5971

6276
04:15:14,080 --> 04:15:17,439
Legacy Street Southeast. 6.4, Municipal

6277
04:15:17,439 --> 04:15:20,319
Energy Master Plan.

6278
04:15:20,319 --> 04:15:22,080
Seeing nothing, we're moving on to item

6279
04:15:22,080 --> 04:15:23,920
seven, ordinances. We have no first

6280
04:15:23,920 --> 04:15:25,520
reading, no second reading. We do have

6281
04:15:25,520 --> 04:15:28,560
folks signed up for uh public comment.

6282
04:15:28,560 --> 04:15:30,399
I'll read two names at a time. Please

6283
04:15:30,399 --> 04:15:33,359
come forward. Um and the green button or

6284
04:15:33,359 --> 04:15:35,120
the buttons already been pushed. Uh

6285
04:15:35,120 --> 04:15:37,840
you'll have three minutes to speak.

6286
04:15:37,840 --> 04:15:42,080
Calling Melinda Yoast and Terry Finch.

6287
04:15:42,080 --> 04:15:43,840
>> Okay. Calling Terry Finch and Bonnie

6288
04:15:43,840 --> 04:15:59,830
Sims.

6289
04:15:59,840 --> 04:16:03,199
Thank you, Mayor Hoy, and council

6290
04:16:03,199 --> 04:16:05,439
members. My name is Terry Finch. I live

6291
04:16:05,439 --> 04:16:07,600
in Ward One.

6292
04:16:07,600 --> 04:16:09,920
Uh, [sighs and gasps] a few weeks ago

6293
04:16:09,920 --> 04:16:13,199
during my walk along Mil Creek next to

6294
04:16:13,199 --> 04:16:16,319
North Salem High School, a young boy

6295
04:16:16,319 --> 04:16:20,319
under the age of 14 approached me on his

6296
04:16:20,319 --> 04:16:22,720
bicycle and cautioned me against going

6297
04:16:22,720 --> 04:16:26,080
toward the bridge next to the railroad

6298
04:16:26,080 --> 04:16:28,319
tracks.

6299
04:16:28,319 --> 04:16:32,560
And there's a map there for that. Um, he

6300
04:16:32,560 --> 04:16:34,720
told me he saw a group of people putting

6301
04:16:34,720 --> 04:16:37,359
needles in their arms and smoking

6302
04:16:37,359 --> 04:16:43,110
something with with aluminum foil.

6303
04:16:43,120 --> 04:16:45,920
This is what he found.

6304
04:16:45,920 --> 04:16:48,720
I explained to the boy that I'm familiar

6305
04:16:48,720 --> 04:16:50,720
with the area and we decided to continue

6306
04:16:50,720 --> 04:16:53,120
walking. He stayed with me out of

6307
04:16:53,120 --> 04:16:55,920
concern and I found the whole situation

6308
04:16:55,920 --> 04:16:58,560
heartbreaking. Watching this child made

6309
04:16:58,560 --> 04:17:00,800
me think of my granddaughter. I would

6310
04:17:00,800 --> 04:17:03,120
never want her to be exposed to this

6311
04:17:03,120 --> 04:17:05,279
kind of activity.

6312
04:17:05,279 --> 04:17:08,640
Fortunately, Salem police officer Kevin

6313
04:17:08,640 --> 04:17:11,040
Rodriguez happened to arrive around the

6314
04:17:11,040 --> 04:17:14,560
same time and move the group away from

6315
04:17:14,560 --> 04:17:18,319
the area, but the group simply moved to

6316
04:17:18,319 --> 04:17:21,120
the sidewalk next to Safeway.

6317
04:17:21,120 --> 04:17:24,880
The fact is that the no barrier

6318
04:17:24,880 --> 04:17:28,239
micro shelter nearby does not permit

6319
04:17:28,239 --> 04:17:31,279
illegal drug or alcohol use on the

6320
04:17:31,279 --> 04:17:36,159
premises. So some of the shelter guests

6321
04:17:36,159 --> 04:17:38,960
who are still in the throws of their

6322
04:17:38,960 --> 04:17:41,920
addiction proceed to use illegal drugs

6323
04:17:41,920 --> 04:17:46,080
and alcohol along the Safeway sidewalk

6324
04:17:46,080 --> 04:17:49,359
next to North Salem High School.

6325
04:17:49,359 --> 04:17:52,640
um in front of neighbors homes,

6326
04:17:52,640 --> 04:17:55,863
apartments, and businesses.

6327
04:17:55,863 --> 04:17:59,750
[snorts]

6328
04:17:59,760 --> 04:18:02,800
But here's a fact. On any given school

6329
04:18:02,800 --> 04:18:05,359
day, students at North Salem High School

6330
04:18:05,359 --> 04:18:08,000
and Parish Middle School meet a variety

6331
04:18:08,000 --> 04:18:11,680
of deeply troubling encounters. The

6332
04:18:11,680 --> 04:18:15,439
children walk past illegal drug use,

6333
04:18:15,439 --> 04:18:17,760
public intoxication,

6334
04:18:17,760 --> 04:18:19,920
people experiencing drug induced

6335
04:18:19,920 --> 04:18:21,600
psychosis,

6336
04:18:21,600 --> 04:18:24,640
illegal drug sales, drug paraphernalia,

6337
04:18:24,640 --> 04:18:28,000
disorderly conduct, heaps of trash,

6338
04:18:28,000 --> 04:18:31,439
human waste, loitering,

6339
04:18:31,439 --> 04:18:34,479
vulgar language, threats of violence,

6340
04:18:34,479 --> 04:18:36,880
just to name a few. All of these health

6341
04:18:36,880 --> 04:18:39,680
and safety concerns are present along

6342
04:18:39,680 --> 04:18:42,080
the border of two schools less than

6343
04:18:42,080 --> 04:18:46,239
1,000 ft from a no barrier shelter. So

6344
04:18:46,239 --> 04:18:49,359
it begs the question, do the school

6345
04:18:49,359 --> 04:19:09,830
children northeast Salem matter?

6346
04:19:09,840 --> 04:19:12,319
Thank you.

6347
04:19:12,319 --> 04:19:14,239
>> Thank you for your testimony. Bonnie

6348
04:19:14,239 --> 04:19:19,910
Sims and Lynn Takata.

6349
04:19:19,920 --> 04:19:21,600
» Oh, Bonnie, could you hold for just one

6350
04:19:21,600 --> 04:19:24,720
moment? Could you just maybe let 10:45?

6351
04:19:24,720 --> 04:19:26,560
>> I move we extend the meeting until

6352
04:19:26,560 --> 04:19:27,840
10:45.

6353
04:19:27,840 --> 04:19:28,560
>> Second.

6354
04:19:28,560 --> 04:19:31,040
>> Motion in a second by Matthews. Anyone

6355
04:19:31,040 --> 04:19:32,560
opposed?

6356
04:19:32,560 --> 04:19:34,239
Okay. Thank you for your patience. Go

6357
04:19:34,239 --> 04:19:37,830
right ahead.

6358
04:19:37,840 --> 04:19:40,159
» Thank you and for appreciate you letting

6359
04:19:40,159 --> 04:19:41,840
me speak tonight. My name is Bonnie

6360
04:19:41,840 --> 04:19:44,720
Sims. I own a home in Ward One and I

6361
04:19:44,720 --> 04:19:47,760
grew up in South Salem. As an adult, I

6362
04:19:47,760 --> 04:19:49,920
have lived across the West and traveled

6363
04:19:49,920 --> 04:19:52,319
extensively to as far away as the Middle

6364
04:19:52,319 --> 04:19:54,880
East, Africa, South America, and I've

6365
04:19:54,880 --> 04:19:56,880
always bragged about my hometown being

6366
04:19:56,880 --> 04:19:59,439
safe, welcoming, and beautiful. That

6367
04:19:59,439 --> 04:20:01,040
reputation is now at risk, and I'm

6368
04:20:01,040 --> 04:20:03,279
asking you to help protect it. I moved

6369
04:20:03,279 --> 04:20:05,199
back here three years ago to care for my

6370
04:20:05,199 --> 04:20:07,680
aging mother. As a retired primary care

6371
04:20:07,680 --> 04:20:10,640
provider, I spent decades treating

6372
04:20:10,640 --> 04:20:12,399
patients, including many with mental

6373
04:20:12,399 --> 04:20:14,720
health and substance use conditions. I

6374
04:20:14,720 --> 04:20:16,720
also volunteered at a clinic focused on

6375
04:20:16,720 --> 04:20:19,120
helping the homeless population. So, I

6376
04:20:19,120 --> 04:20:20,720
recognize those struggles when I see

6377
04:20:20,720 --> 04:20:23,359
them on our city streets. The city has

6378
04:20:23,359 --> 04:20:24,960
real resources for our homeless

6379
04:20:24,960 --> 04:20:27,199
neighbors. But in this neighborhood

6380
04:20:27,199 --> 04:20:30,960
around the village of of Hope Shelter on

6381
04:20:30,960 --> 04:20:33,359
Center Street, the problem has grown,

6382
04:20:33,359 --> 04:20:36,080
not improved. That shelter opened during

6383
04:20:36,080 --> 04:20:39,120
COVID as a temporary emergency housing,

6384
04:20:39,120 --> 04:20:41,120
a goodfaith decision made under

6385
04:20:41,120 --> 04:20:43,520
extraordinary circumstances. It has

6386
04:20:43,520 --> 04:20:45,760
since transitioned from a typical 30-day

6387
04:20:45,760 --> 04:20:48,399
shortstay shelter to long-term free

6388
04:20:48,399 --> 04:20:51,199
housing with meals and the longest wait

6389
04:20:51,199 --> 04:20:54,159
list in our area. and it now draws far

6390
04:20:54,159 --> 04:20:55,840
more people to the surrounding streets

6391
04:20:55,840 --> 04:20:57,600
and along the train tracks than it can

6392
04:20:57,600 --> 04:21:00,560
house. Along with them has come unhoused

6393
04:21:00,560 --> 04:21:03,279
camping litter and drug paraphernelia

6394
04:21:03,279 --> 04:21:05,840
along the sidewalks. And this matters

6395
04:21:05,840 --> 04:21:08,560
because of what surrounds that shelter.

6396
04:21:08,560 --> 04:21:11,040
It sits next to the only grocery store

6397
04:21:11,040 --> 04:21:13,600
serving that community, a store many

6398
04:21:13,600 --> 04:21:16,000
elderly, longtime residents depend on

6399
04:21:16,000 --> 04:21:17,520
because they can't easily travel

6400
04:21:17,520 --> 04:21:20,239
farther. I stopped shopping there myself

6401
04:21:20,239 --> 04:21:22,399
after a man approached me and asked me

6402
04:21:22,399 --> 04:21:25,040
to buy him cigarettes and alcohol. I was

6403
04:21:25,040 --> 04:21:26,720
afraid of what he might do with my

6404
04:21:26,720 --> 04:21:29,199
answer, but I said no. And fortunately,

6405
04:21:29,199 --> 04:21:31,600
nothing happened. But because of that, I

6406
04:21:31,600 --> 04:21:34,159
don't feel safe in that area any longer.

6407
04:21:34,159 --> 04:21:36,640
If shoplifting, aggressive panhandling,

6408
04:21:36,640 --> 04:21:39,199
and loitering keep rising, that store

6409
04:21:39,199 --> 04:21:41,520
may not be able to stay open, and our

6410
04:21:41,520 --> 04:21:43,359
elderly neighbors will lose their only

6411
04:21:43,359 --> 04:21:46,239
nearby option. The shelter is also

6412
04:21:46,239 --> 04:21:48,880
closed to several schools and children

6413
04:21:48,880 --> 04:21:53,439
see drug use and unpredictable behavior on along their

6414
04:21:53,439 --> 04:21:55,920
route to school. Both younger students

6415
04:21:55,920 --> 04:21:57,920
walking and high schoolers walking to

6416
04:21:57,920 --> 04:22:00,239
Safeway during lunch. That should not be

6417
04:22:00,239 --> 04:22:02,239
a normal part of growing up here in

6418
04:22:02,239 --> 04:22:04,800
Salem. The shelter promised the city

6419
04:22:04,800 --> 04:22:07,520
that they would enact a curfew, control

6420
04:22:07,520 --> 04:22:09,600
litter, and be generally be a good

6421
04:22:09,600 --> 04:22:12,800
neighbor. And they have refused to

6422
04:22:12,800 --> 04:22:15,199
actually keep these promises.

6423
04:22:15,199 --> 04:22:17,520
I want to be clear, people experiencing

6424
04:22:17,520 --> 04:22:19,920
homelessness deserve our compassion, our

6425
04:22:19,920 --> 04:22:22,880
resources, and our help. But this

6426
04:22:22,880 --> 04:22:24,880
struggling

6427
04:22:24,880 --> 04:22:27,760
um community should not be at the

6428
04:22:27,760 --> 04:22:29,680
expense of the others in the

6429
04:22:29,680 --> 04:22:31,600
neighborhood. The Village of Hope on

6430
04:22:31,600 --> 04:22:35,279
Center Street surrounded by all these uh

6431
04:22:35,279 --> 04:22:37,359
students and aging residents and the

6432
04:22:37,359 --> 04:22:40,960
only grocery store in the area. Uh

6433
04:22:40,960 --> 04:22:42,640
>> thank you for your testimony. I'm sorry

6434
04:22:42,640 --> 04:22:45,199
your time's expired.

6435
04:22:45,199 --> 04:22:55,510
Lynn Takata and Tom Roman.

6436
04:22:55,520 --> 04:22:57,600
» Thank you. My name is Len Takata and I

6437
04:22:57,600 --> 04:22:59,840
live in Ward One. The Center Street

6438
04:22:59,840 --> 04:23:01,840
Safeway is a critical business for

6439
04:23:01,840 --> 04:23:04,000
downtown in Northeast Salem. It's

6440
04:23:04,000 --> 04:23:06,720
Salem's only full service grocery store

6441
04:23:06,720 --> 04:23:10,960
within about a mile radius which serves

6442
04:23:10,960 --> 04:23:15,040
16,000 residents. Neighbors, businesses,

6443
04:23:15,040 --> 04:23:17,439
and other organizations are increasingly

6444
04:23:17,439 --> 04:23:20,479
concerned about safety, crime, drug use,

6445
04:23:20,479 --> 04:23:22,479
drug paraphernalia

6446
04:23:22,479 --> 04:23:25,520
near the store. I'm here to advocate for

6447
04:23:25,520 --> 04:23:27,439
additional and continued help with

6448
04:23:27,439 --> 04:23:31,120
public safety around that store. The

6449
04:23:31,120 --> 04:23:33,920
Salem Police Department, Clean Salem,

6450
04:23:33,920 --> 04:23:35,840
Fire Department, and Public Works have

6451
04:23:35,840 --> 04:23:38,640
all made a recent difference, especially

6452
04:23:38,640 --> 04:23:41,120
in the last week, by making the

6453
04:23:41,120 --> 04:23:43,760
sidewalks around the store safer and

6454
04:23:43,760 --> 04:23:45,680
more accessible.

6455
04:23:45,680 --> 04:23:47,920
Three drug arrests have been made in the

6456
04:23:47,920 --> 04:23:50,239
last two weeks, as well as a truckload

6457
04:23:50,239 --> 04:23:53,199
of trash being removed. We're grateful

6458
04:23:53,199 --> 04:23:56,319
for that. Why is this store a critical

6459
04:23:56,319 --> 04:23:58,800
asset? This is an economically

6460
04:23:58,800 --> 04:24:01,680
challenged area. And it is a social

6461
04:24:01,680 --> 04:24:04,560
equity issue. According to the Safeway

6462
04:24:04,560 --> 04:24:07,040
staff, most customers do walk to the

6463
04:24:07,040 --> 04:24:10,239
store. Many are elderly, poor, disabled,

6464
04:24:10,239 --> 04:24:13,040
and do not have vehicles or another

6465
04:24:13,040 --> 04:24:16,319
option to buy groceries.

6466
04:24:16,319 --> 04:24:18,960
In addition to the 16,000 residents

6467
04:24:18,960 --> 04:24:20,640
within about a mile of the store,

6468
04:24:20,640 --> 04:24:24,560
Safeway employs about 120 staff, most

6469
04:24:24,560 --> 04:24:26,399
that live in the neighborhood and walk

6470
04:24:26,399 --> 04:24:28,560
to work.

6471
04:24:28,560 --> 04:24:31,600
So, unfortunately, we understand

6472
04:24:31,600 --> 04:24:34,159
the store may be losing significant

6473
04:24:34,159 --> 04:24:36,960
revenue recently, putting it at risk for

6474
04:24:36,960 --> 04:24:39,520
potential closure. The impact of losing

6475
04:24:39,520 --> 04:24:42,479
the store would be tragic. Challenges to

6476
04:24:42,479 --> 04:24:44,399
the store include the area around the

6477
04:24:44,399 --> 04:24:46,553
store attracting

6478
04:24:46,553 --> 04:24:47,199
[snorts]

6479
04:24:47,199 --> 04:24:48,880
uh people from outside the neighborhood

6480
04:24:48,880 --> 04:24:51,120
looking for illegal drugs. Recently, a

6481
04:24:51,120 --> 04:24:53,840
car stopped saying

6482
04:24:53,840 --> 04:24:55,840
by Safeway saying, "Where can I buy some

6483
04:24:55,840 --> 04:25:00,800
meth?" And uh that's happens a lot. The

6484
04:25:00,800 --> 04:25:02,720
store has apparently encountered more

6485
04:25:02,720 --> 04:25:05,920
shoplifting in recent years. Drug use is

6486
04:25:05,920 --> 04:25:08,479
common and unfortunately includes people

6487
04:25:08,479 --> 04:25:13,120
being drawn to the area as well as some

6488
04:25:13,120 --> 04:25:15,920
current and former residents of the

6489
04:25:15,920 --> 04:25:18,399
village of hope.

6490
04:25:18,399 --> 04:25:20,239
Some neighbors do not feel safe walking

6491
04:25:20,239 --> 04:25:22,239
to the store as sidewalks can be blocked

6492
04:25:22,239 --> 04:25:26,080
by people, tents, loose dogs, as well as

6493
04:25:26,080 --> 04:25:29,680
seeing nas axes and IV drug use and and

6494
04:25:29,680 --> 04:25:32,239
indecent exposure recently, which we

6495
04:25:32,239 --> 04:25:35,040
have a photograph of. Children at North

6496
04:25:35,040 --> 04:25:37,279
Salem High School, the most economically

6497
04:25:37,279 --> 04:25:40,000
challenged high school in Salem, deserve

6498
04:25:40,000 --> 04:25:43,120
better and should not have to witness

6499
04:25:43,120 --> 04:25:46,000
drug use. Neither should young children,

6500
04:25:46,000 --> 04:25:48,560
families, and customers. In closing, we

6501
04:25:48,560 --> 04:25:50,479
ask the city to please help protect this

6502
04:25:50,479 --> 04:25:52,560
essential community.

6503
04:25:52,560 --> 04:25:54,560
>> Lynn, thank you for your testimony. I'm

6504
04:25:54,560 --> 04:25:59,750
sorry your time is expired.

6505
04:25:59,760 --> 04:26:04,560
» Thank you. All right. Uh Tom Rolman and

6506
04:26:04,560 --> 04:26:09,590
Ron Sturba.

6507
04:26:09,600 --> 04:26:12,720
» Good evening, commissioners. Uh, I'm uh

6508
04:26:12,720 --> 04:26:15,920
glad to be here and waiting for my

6509
04:26:15,920 --> 04:26:21,429
slides to show up.

6510
04:26:21,439 --> 04:26:24,560
Okay, there we go. Uh, as people have

6511
04:26:24,560 --> 04:26:26,319
mentioned, this is the Village of Hope

6512
04:26:26,319 --> 04:26:28,640
shelter across from center uh the

6513
04:26:28,640 --> 04:26:30,560
Safeway on Center Street, right next to

6514
04:26:30,560 --> 04:26:32,720
the railroad tracks. Uh, there's about

6515
04:26:32,720 --> 04:26:36,000
13 to 15,000 vehicles per day going past

6516
04:26:36,000 --> 04:26:39,199
this area. So when it was put in in

6517
04:26:39,199 --> 04:26:42,000
2022, it was recognized as a terrible

6518
04:26:42,000 --> 04:26:44,560
location for a shelter that has people

6519
04:26:44,560 --> 04:26:47,760
with drug addiction, alcoholism, mental

6520
04:26:47,760 --> 04:26:51,279
health issues, and it was only put in

6521
04:26:51,279 --> 04:26:54,000
because of the pandemic lockdown where

6522
04:26:54,000 --> 04:26:55,920
we were trying to prevent the spread of

6523
04:26:55,920 --> 04:26:58,800
COVID throughout the city. We thought it

6524
04:26:58,800 --> 04:27:00,560
was going to go away when the emergency

6525
04:27:00,560 --> 04:27:02,960
ended and the lockdown ended, but it

6526
04:27:02,960 --> 04:27:05,520
stayed. Uh, I was working out of town as

6527
04:27:05,520 --> 04:27:08,080
an essential worker. So, I came back

6528
04:27:08,080 --> 04:27:10,960
more recently and saw that the shelter

6529
04:27:10,960 --> 04:27:12,720
was still there. And in December, I

6530
04:27:12,720 --> 04:27:14,960
noticed that this temporary and portable

6531
04:27:14,960 --> 04:27:18,159
facility, which it was approved as, uh,

6532
04:27:18,159 --> 04:27:20,720
was pouring slabs and pouring concrete

6533
04:27:20,720 --> 04:27:23,600
walkways. So, those are not temporary

6534
04:27:23,600 --> 04:27:26,159
and portable structures. So, I started

6535
04:27:26,159 --> 04:27:28,720
looking into how did this get licensed?

6536
04:27:28,720 --> 04:27:31,040
Why are these changes being made? And

6537
04:27:31,040 --> 04:27:33,199
it's a very complicated process. So I've

6538
04:27:33,199 --> 04:27:35,040
spent about six months collecting data

6539
04:27:35,040 --> 04:27:37,040
on this. I have a tremendous amount of

6540
04:27:37,040 --> 04:27:40,720
data that explains the funding

6541
04:27:40,720 --> 04:27:43,120
uh the applicable rules that should be

6542
04:27:43,120 --> 04:27:47,760
applied and some of those that u I have

6543
04:27:47,760 --> 04:27:50,800
been asking why we are not following the

6544
04:27:50,800 --> 04:27:52,800
Salem revised code that was put in place

6545
04:27:52,800 --> 04:27:55,520
in 2022. Uh I have not gotten a

6546
04:27:55,520 --> 04:27:57,840
satisfactory answer for. So I want to

6547
04:27:57,840 --> 04:27:59,439
bring that to the council's attention

6548
04:27:59,439 --> 04:28:02,000
here. Um,

6549
04:28:02,000 --> 04:28:04,080
and

6550
04:28:04,080 --> 04:28:06,000
we have tried to communicate with Church

6551
04:28:06,000 --> 04:28:07,760
of the Park to try to get some things

6552
04:28:07,760 --> 04:28:10,159
changed to try to make it a better area

6553
04:28:10,159 --> 04:28:12,239
both for the residents and for the

6554
04:28:12,239 --> 04:28:15,520
guests inside the shelter.

6555
04:28:15,520 --> 04:28:18,880
We uh uh have some commitments that were

6556
04:28:18,880 --> 04:28:20,640
made in the original contracts that the

6557
04:28:20,640 --> 04:28:22,960
city issued where they con were

6558
04:28:22,960 --> 04:28:25,520
committed to being a good neighbor. They

6559
04:28:25,520 --> 04:28:26,640
said they were going to have a safety

6560
04:28:26,640 --> 04:28:29,040
and security team on staff present at

6561
04:28:29,040 --> 04:28:31,199
all times. and that they're going to do

6562
04:28:31,199 --> 04:28:34,080
perimeter walks around the facility and

6563
04:28:34,080 --> 04:28:36,319
uh if somebody's sleeping there or not

6564
04:28:36,319 --> 04:28:37,520
supposed to be there, they're supposed

6565
04:28:37,520 --> 04:28:40,720
to move on. Uh those are not going on.

6566
04:28:40,720 --> 04:28:43,840
That's process is not occurring. Uh we

6567
04:28:43,840 --> 04:28:45,600
asked the city to send a letter which

6568
04:28:45,600 --> 04:28:48,399
they did to the church's park and these

6569
04:28:48,399 --> 04:28:51,520
were some of the responses we got back.

6570
04:28:51,520 --> 04:28:54,080
Uh the reason for a curfew is that

6571
04:28:54,080 --> 04:28:56,159
village of hope guests and all unhouse

6572
04:28:56,159 --> 04:28:58,319
people engage in criminal activity. that

6573
04:28:58,319 --> 04:29:00,880
was never stated. Uh the Church of the

6574
04:29:00,880 --> 04:29:02,800
Park uh is supposed to be a drug-free

6575
04:29:02,800 --> 04:29:07,920
area. U they say that uh you can't smoke

6576
04:29:07,920 --> 04:29:10,720
and do substances on the property. They

6577
04:29:10,720 --> 04:29:12,000
just want you to go out into the

6578
04:29:12,000 --> 04:29:13,840
neighborhood to the schools and places

6579
04:29:13,840 --> 04:29:15,600
like that.

6580
04:29:15,600 --> 04:29:17,359
This is the area we're talking about.

6581
04:29:17,359 --> 04:29:20,000
Ideas are areas where crime is occurring

6582
04:29:20,000 --> 04:29:22,640
and panhandling. And I'm going to be out

6583
04:29:22,640 --> 04:29:24,880
of time here.

6584
04:29:24,880 --> 04:29:25,520
>> Thank you.

6585
04:29:25,520 --> 04:29:31,189
>> Yes. Thank you for your testimony.

6586
04:29:31,199 --> 04:29:35,680
I believe um excuse me Tom uh Dr. Brown

6587
04:29:35,680 --> 04:29:38,880
has a question for you.

6588
04:29:38,880 --> 04:29:40,560
>> Mr. Tom, it's just about that data.

6589
04:29:40,560 --> 04:29:42,720
Would you mind sharing that data with

6590
04:29:42,720 --> 04:29:44,640
the city quarter? The data that you

6591
04:29:44,640 --> 04:29:45,760
have.

6592
04:29:45,760 --> 04:29:49,040
>> Uh it's a large volume of data.

6593
04:29:49,040 --> 04:29:50,960
>> Oh, it's it's not this, it's this.

6594
04:29:50,960 --> 04:29:53,040
>> No, it's significant.

6595
04:29:53,040 --> 04:29:53,359
>> Okay.

6596
04:29:53,359 --> 04:29:55,120
>> Do you have it on a thumb drive or?

6597
04:29:55,120 --> 04:29:56,000
>> Uh no.

6598
04:29:56,000 --> 04:29:57,920
>> Okay. Okay. I'm just trying to find a

6599
04:29:57,920 --> 04:30:00,319
way to get access so we could just see

6600
04:30:00,319 --> 04:30:00,960
that.

6601
04:30:00,960 --> 04:30:02,800
>> I'm trying to find somebody to discuss

6602
04:30:02,800 --> 04:30:05,199
the issue with that's intelligent and

6603
04:30:05,199 --> 04:30:08,720
able to uh be familiar with what rules

6604
04:30:08,720 --> 04:30:10,399
they're supposed to be following. Is it

6605
04:30:10,399 --> 04:30:14,319
city codes? Is it the state requirements

6606
04:30:14,319 --> 04:30:15,439
and I believe there's a

6607
04:30:15,439 --> 04:30:18,479
misinterpretation by the staff on

6608
04:30:18,479 --> 04:30:19,760
whether they're still supposed to be

6609
04:30:19,760 --> 04:30:21,199
following the rules that were put in

6610
04:30:21,199 --> 04:30:22,399
place during CO.

6611
04:30:22,399 --> 04:30:24,000
>> Okay. Well, hopefully we'll find someone

6612
04:30:24,000 --> 04:30:25,439
that can reach out to you. we can sit

6613
04:30:25,439 --> 04:30:27,199
down and have a discussion. That'd be

6614
04:30:27,199 --> 04:30:28,159
great. Thank you.

6615
04:30:28,159 --> 04:30:30,319
>> Mr. Roman, have you had a discussion

6616
04:30:30,319 --> 04:30:32,080
with um Gretchian Bennett?

6617
04:30:32,080 --> 04:30:34,319
>> Director Bennett. We speak frequently.

6618
04:30:34,319 --> 04:30:34,720
>> Okay.

6619
04:30:34,720 --> 04:30:36,399
>> And she directs me to other people to

6620
04:30:36,399 --> 04:30:38,319
try to get uh details that she may not

6621
04:30:38,319 --> 04:30:39,920
have, but she has been involved with the

6622
04:30:39,920 --> 04:30:41,840
shelters for quite some time. She has a

6623
04:30:41,840 --> 04:30:43,840
good history of what's going on.

6624
04:30:43,840 --> 04:30:46,399
>> And I started by asking her two simple

6625
04:30:46,399 --> 04:30:48,560
questions. Uh one, who's funding the

6626
04:30:48,560 --> 04:30:51,520
shelter? And when is it uh scheduled to

6627
04:30:51,520 --> 04:30:52,560
close? Mhm.

6628
04:30:52,560 --> 04:30:55,120
>> I did not get an answer uh to either one

6629
04:30:55,120 --> 04:30:56,560
of those, so that's why I had to start

6630
04:30:56,560 --> 04:30:57,680
digging into it.

6631
04:30:57,680 --> 04:30:59,600
>> Okay. Thank you very much for being here

6632
04:30:59,600 --> 04:31:01,520
tonight, and I I intend to have a

6633
04:31:01,520 --> 04:31:03,120
conversation with Gretchen about this.

6634
04:31:03,120 --> 04:31:05,760
Thank you.

6635
04:31:05,760 --> 04:31:15,990
>> All right, Ron Sturba.

6636
04:31:16,000 --> 04:31:19,840
» Press that button one more time.

6637
04:31:19,840 --> 04:31:21,920
>> There you go.

6638
04:31:21,920 --> 04:31:23,840
Sorry.

6639
04:31:23,840 --> 04:31:29,120
Uh, mayor and then consils. Thank you.

6640
04:31:29,120 --> 04:31:33,439
Uh, I have a picture that I got from

6641
04:31:33,439 --> 04:31:35,760
neighborhood

6642
04:31:35,760 --> 04:31:38,399
the uh

6643
04:31:38,399 --> 04:31:43,680
the sidewalk is really bad. and that's

6644
04:31:43,680 --> 04:31:48,720
uh and next to Mary Craig Park on 20th

6645
04:31:48,720 --> 04:31:56,319
Street and two residents have really big

6646
04:31:56,319 --> 04:32:01,439
concern concerns for this and I can say

6647
04:32:01,439 --> 04:32:06,880
I uh live four block four blocks away

6648
04:32:06,880 --> 04:32:13,359
and I I can't w walk on a um uh scooter

6649
04:32:13,359 --> 04:32:15,120
or anything.

6650
04:32:15,120 --> 04:32:19,920
And then the other side on 20th 21st

6651
04:32:19,920 --> 04:32:23,920
Street at Schmecha

6652
04:32:23,920 --> 04:32:28,800
there is no sign that says stop.

6653
04:32:28,800 --> 04:32:32,800
So se from 17th

6654
04:32:32,800 --> 04:32:38,000
on Schmecka to 24orth

6655
04:32:38,000 --> 04:32:41,760
there is no sign anywhere

6656
04:32:41,760 --> 04:32:46,080
at the park and the people when I went

6657
04:32:46,080 --> 04:32:49,840
to the group of a people uh we were

6658
04:32:49,840 --> 04:32:53,600
talking about their uh

6659
04:32:53,600 --> 04:33:02,080
um talking the speed limit in a s as a

6660
04:33:02,080 --> 04:33:06,480
gentleman came back with a vehicle about

6661
04:33:06,480 --> 04:33:11,119
40 miles an hour and I'm going wow

6662
04:33:11,119 --> 04:33:18,080
we got to put a sign up at 21st and she

6663
04:33:18,080 --> 04:33:23,840
two more signs and uh I would I thank

6664
04:33:23,840 --> 04:33:27,680
you for your time for

6665
04:33:27,680 --> 04:33:29,199
uh

6666
04:33:29,199 --> 04:33:35,199
getting this getting this getting

6667
04:33:35,199 --> 04:33:35,760
sorry.

6668
04:33:35,760 --> 04:33:37,279
>> Thank you, Mr. Serba. You're doing just

6669
04:33:37,279 --> 04:33:40,320
fine. And uh perhaps Director Martin

6670
04:33:40,320 --> 04:33:43,279
could maybe gather the address for that

6671
04:33:43,279 --> 04:33:44,879
particular spot and

6672
04:33:44,879 --> 04:33:45,840
>> Okay.

6673
04:33:45,840 --> 04:33:47,119
>> Thank you very much.

6674
04:33:47,119 --> 04:33:58,390
>> Thank you. Take good care.

6675
04:33:58,400 --> 04:34:01,119
All right. Um, if nothing further, we

6676
04:34:01,119 --> 04:34:03,920
are journ Oh, time out.

6677
04:34:03,920 --> 04:34:05,840
>> Oh, one online. That's right. Thank you

6678
04:34:05,840 --> 04:34:11,680
so much, Rob. We have Ben Fryback. Um,

6679
04:34:11,680 --> 04:34:13,119
please go ahead whenever you're ready,

6680
04:34:13,119 --> 04:34:14,160
Ben.

6681
04:34:14,160 --> 04:34:16,639
>> Awesome. Uh, thank you, Mayor Hoy. I'm

6682
04:34:16,639 --> 04:34:19,600
Ben Fryback, president of Ward One. Uh

6683
04:34:19,600 --> 04:34:21,199
today I wanted to talk to you about

6684
04:34:21,199 --> 04:34:24,719
SCATS, our uh regional NO. Every

6685
04:34:24,719 --> 04:34:27,439
community uh 50,000 or more is required

6686
04:34:27,439 --> 04:34:29,760
to have one for federal laws led by a

6687
04:34:29,760 --> 04:34:31,840
group of electeds in the policy

6688
04:34:31,840 --> 04:34:33,199
committee that steer federal

6689
04:34:33,199 --> 04:34:35,119
transportation dollars for use inside of

6690
04:34:35,119 --> 04:34:38,480
the boundary. Similar to the UGB myang

6691
04:34:38,480 --> 04:34:41,039
is our representative. These dollars are

6692
04:34:41,039 --> 04:34:43,439
used to fund several uh transportation

6693
04:34:43,439 --> 04:34:45,439
safety projects in Salem like the

6694
04:34:45,439 --> 04:34:47,359
traffic signal at Rackcliffe Drive on

6695
04:34:47,359 --> 04:34:49,600
South Commercial uh the Miguel Chris

6696
04:34:49,600 --> 04:34:52,160
Street project, the turn lane near

6697
04:34:52,160 --> 04:34:55,279
Winkco on Hillpicker Street and safe

6698
04:34:55,279 --> 04:34:57,840
pedestrian crossings all over the city.

6699
04:34:57,840 --> 04:35:02,561
On April 26th of 2024, our MO voted to

6700
04:35:02,561 --> 04:35:04,799
add Almsville to the policy committee

6701
04:35:04,799 --> 04:35:06,719
along with adding an additional vote for

6702
04:35:06,719 --> 04:35:09,199
Salem. Uh this is after several

6703
04:35:09,199 --> 04:35:11,119
individuals from Salem, including Mayor

6704
04:35:11,119 --> 04:35:13,600
Hoy, Chris Hoy, and Council Phillips

6705
04:35:13,600 --> 04:35:15,760
pointed out that addingville would

6706
04:35:15,760 --> 04:35:17,520
further widen the disparity between

6707
04:35:17,520 --> 04:35:20,000
representation a resident of Armsville

6708
04:35:20,000 --> 04:35:21,520
might receive as opposed to a resident

6709
04:35:21,520 --> 04:35:24,240
of Salem. At the next meeting, Marian

6710
04:35:24,240 --> 04:35:26,561
County had the vote tossed because they

6711
04:35:26,561 --> 04:35:28,240
claimed that it didn't follow Robert's

6712
04:35:28,240 --> 04:35:30,799
rules of order. Since then, councelor

6713
04:35:30,799 --> 04:35:32,959
Maybang, our representative, has been

6714
04:35:32,959 --> 04:35:34,799
trying to continue this work as our

6715
04:35:34,799 --> 04:35:37,199
representative at the MO to ensure

6716
04:35:37,199 --> 04:35:38,799
Salem's residents are properly

6717
04:35:38,799 --> 04:35:40,959
represented. Non-aggenda item was

6718
04:35:40,959 --> 04:35:43,039
brought up in August to have staff work

6719
04:35:43,039 --> 04:35:45,520
towards adding Ensville without an extra

6720
04:35:45,520 --> 04:35:47,520
vote from Salem and it was passed.

6721
04:35:47,520 --> 04:35:49,760
Councelor Vang was absent on vacation

6722
04:35:49,760 --> 04:35:51,840
and Mayor Julie Hoy was in her place and

6723
04:35:51,840 --> 04:35:54,959
voted yes. At this next meeting, when

6724
04:35:54,959 --> 04:35:58,160
Julie Hoy subi substituted for councelor

6725
04:35:58,160 --> 04:36:00,080
Vang again, she voted to approve draft

6726
04:36:00,080 --> 04:36:01,920
language that would add Ensville to this

6727
04:36:01,920 --> 04:36:03,920
body with no extra representation at the

6728
04:36:03,920 --> 04:36:05,600
policy committee. The amount of

6729
04:36:05,600 --> 04:36:07,359
representation has on such an

6730
04:36:07,359 --> 04:36:08,879
influential body is already

6731
04:36:08,879 --> 04:36:11,279
disproportional. Added one Ensil

6732
04:36:11,279 --> 04:36:13,119
resident would have the voice of 44

6733
04:36:13,119 --> 04:36:15,600
Salem residents. One Turner resident

6734
04:36:15,600 --> 04:36:18,240
already speaks for 88 Salem maners.

6735
04:36:18,240 --> 04:36:20,000
Marian County has opposed the idea of

6736
04:36:20,000 --> 04:36:22,400
mediation or proportional representation

6737
04:36:22,400 --> 04:36:24,160
or simply adding an extra vote for

6738
04:36:24,160 --> 04:36:25,840
Salem.

6739
04:36:25,840 --> 04:36:29,439
has 65% of the population and 70%

6740
04:36:29,439 --> 04:36:31,039
of the regional sign regionally

6741
04:36:31,039 --> 04:36:33,199
significant roadways in the MO's

6742
04:36:33,199 --> 04:36:36,639
boundary, but we only receive 47% of the

6743
04:36:36,639 --> 04:36:39,199
dollars that are obligated to to cities

6744
04:36:39,199 --> 04:36:42,639
and counties. Further weakening Salen's

6745
04:36:42,639 --> 04:36:44,719
voice on this body makes it harder for

6746
04:36:44,719 --> 04:36:46,639
the city to fight for transportation

6747
04:36:46,639 --> 04:36:48,799
safety dollars. Our residents deserve

6748
04:36:48,799 --> 04:36:51,199
approval of the draft language,

6749
04:36:51,199 --> 04:36:54,160
basically what Julie Hoy voted on, um

6750
04:36:54,160 --> 04:36:56,719
requires unanimous consent, so approving

6751
04:36:56,719 --> 04:36:59,119
the draft, um from all policy committee

6752
04:36:59,119 --> 04:37:00,959
members, including the city. I strongly

6753
04:37:00,959 --> 04:37:02,879
oppose any signing of agreement that

6754
04:37:02,879 --> 04:37:05,119
disenfranchises my ability and my city's

6755
04:37:05,119 --> 04:37:06,959
ability to get federal transportation

6756
04:37:06,959 --> 04:37:09,600
dollars and um this would delay

6757
04:37:09,600 --> 04:37:11,439
necessary transportation safety projects

6758
04:37:11,439 --> 04:37:14,240
in my neighborhood. this council should

6759
04:37:14,240 --> 04:37:17,920
um and direct should not and direct

6760
04:37:17,920 --> 04:37:19,680
staff to not.

6761
04:37:19,680 --> 04:37:22,959
>> Thank you for your testimony.

6762
04:37:22,959 --> 04:37:26,160
>> Um and just in in brief response to

6763
04:37:26,160 --> 04:37:30,000
that, this the goal in being at that

6764
04:37:30,000 --> 04:37:33,359
meeting was to advise that group that we

6765
04:37:33,359 --> 04:37:35,039
would be we would have the opportunity

6766
04:37:35,039 --> 04:37:37,520
to bring this topic to council, which

6767
04:37:37,520 --> 04:37:39,760
has not happened um since it became

6768
04:37:39,760 --> 04:37:43,760
issue in April of 2024. So my goal is to

6769
04:37:43,760 --> 04:37:46,320
bring it to this body so we can uh form

6770
04:37:46,320 --> 04:37:48,959
consensus and return to that body for

6771
04:37:48,959 --> 04:37:52,080
our opinion. So thank you.

6772
04:37:52,080 --> 04:37:54,080
>> All right. Seeing nothing further, we

6773
04:37:54,080 --> 04:37:57,240
are journed.