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Good evening everyone. We would like to
call this um meeting of the Salem City

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Council to order. I'd like to welcome
you to our meeting this evening. Um the

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slight delay there was as you may know
we are uh streaming these meetings and

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we wanted to make sure that the
streaming had started at uh just

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slightly before the meeting did. So
everything will be fine. Today is

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Monday, August 10th, 2026, and the time
is 6:30 p.m. We thank you for joining us

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both here in the council chambers and
those watching from home. Please stand

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and join me for the pledge of
allegiance.

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» I pledge algiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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At this time, I'd like to note that
Councilman John Saunders will be

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participating remotely this evening per
Virginia code section 2.2-3708.3A1

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for a temporary medical condition. No
vote is required for his participation.

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Mr. Light, would you do you have a
remote participation request to read for

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us?
>> Yes, ma'am. Mayor Turk's remote

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participation tonight is provided for in
a different code section. and requires

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voting on by the other members. Mayor
Turk asked that I read the following

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request on her behalf. In accordance
with section 2.2-3708.3b4

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of the code of the Commonwealth of
Virginia and the remote participation

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policy of the city of Salem, I hereby
request to participate remotely due to a

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personal matter specifically that I'm
out of town. So move there.

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» Second. Second.
>> It's been moved and seconded. V roll

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call vote, please.
>> Mr. Saunders.

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» Mr. Saunders. Thank you,
>> Mr. Holiday.

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» Hi,
>> Mr. Foley.

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» Hi,
>> Miss Green.

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» Hi.
>> All right. Welcome, Mayor Turk and Mr.

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Saunders. Thank you for joining us this
evening.

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» That's right.
>> Thank you for having us.

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» Awards and recognitions. We have some uh
police officers, new police officers

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present here this evening and field
training officer Randall McGee. If you

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would like to bring up our new officers
for introduction,

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we have Austin Eldridge, Troy Frying,
Talon H. Hearnden, and James Nunley.

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» Spread out so we can all see your
smiling faces. [laughter] So you can see

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the citizens.
>> Yeah. And turn around so that the

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citizens will know you. Welcome. Welcome
to the city of Salem and welcome to the

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Salem Police Department. We're so happy
that you have joined us. Officer McGee,

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is there anything you'd like to [cough]
say about these new officers?

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» Uh they've just graduated from the 87th
Law Enforcement Academy with Cardinal

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Justice Criminal Academy. Uh I'll just
let them go one by one. Say their name,

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where they're from, any experience they
have prior to coming here.

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Starting with Taylor Hearn.
>> My name is Officer Hearn. I was born and

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raised in Salem. I look forward to
working.

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» My name is Officer.
I went to school not too far from here.

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Previously city sheriff's office for
three years a change.

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I'm officer Eldidge born and raised
Salem Virginia. I have no prior

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experience.
>> I'm officering born and raised in Salem

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as well. from high school.
>> Well, great. Thank you. Congratulations.

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Welcome. [applause]

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» We look forward to working with all of
you.

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» Thank you for your service.
>> Yes. Thank you.

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» Thank you for joining us.
>> Yeah, you're free to be released.

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» Yes, you are more than welcome to to
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go out on patrol.
>> Go help us out.

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» That's right. Thank you.
That brings us to the consent agenda.

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First item is citizen comments. Um we
have no speakers that are signed up to

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speak this evening for citizen comments.
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Um item B, minutes. We will consider
acceptance of the July 27th, 2026 work

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session and regular meeting minutes. Are
there any questions or comments or

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corrections to the minutes?
>> I don't have any.

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» No. In that case, the minutes are
accepted. [cough]

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At this time, we I'm going to ask the
city manager, Mr. Dorsey, to provide an

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update on items of interest that are
going on [clears throat] in the city of

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Salem.
>> Thank you, mayor. Vice Mayor, I

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appreciate [laughter] that. Um, we'll
start with the um this last Saturday, we

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had a beautiful day. We had 361 runners
in the 52nd annual Salem Distance Run.

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Did you want to make a comment on that?
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» Yes. Yes. City Manager Dorsy. Uh, yes.
The Salem distance run this Saturday was

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extremely successful. We had like like
uh city manager Dorsy said 361 runners.

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Uh the weather was great. Uh we honored
uh three of our uh coaching legends

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within the city. Coach Richard Browder,
Coach Dar Graham, and Coach Thomas Roth.

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And after the after the race and after
the awards ceremony, we had a uh a

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reunion of runners from Salem, Andrew
Lewis and Reno College at uh Preston

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House, Preston Place. And it was we
probably had about 40 individuals there

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and it was a great good time was had by
all. So yes, it was very successful.

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Thank you.
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» Thank you. Um, also, uh, this last
Saturday we had the Salem Farmers

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Market. It was absolutely slammed, as it
has been all year. Um, this past

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Saturday also wrapped up farmers market
week in the Commonwealth. Our market

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here, it's a gold certified Virginia
farmers market and we are very proud of

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that distinction.
Picking in the park, the wildly popular

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free bluegrass concert with Junior Cisk
and other acts is this Saturday night at

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Longwood Park. It runs from about 5:30
to 8:30. Uh Salem Civic Center is

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hosting the Star City Cruisers 35th
annual car, truck, and cycle show

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Saturday from 9 to 2. You can get info
from that at the Civic Center website.

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Today was the first day for teachers to
go back to school.

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So, welcome to all the teachers. Is that
not right, Curtis?

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» There you go.
>> Had a great day [clears throat] and we

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got convocation on Monday and our
students start back next Tuesday.

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» Excellent.
Oh, and I'm also supposed to say, as

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always, speeding in school zones and bus
stop areas will not be tolerated. Okay.

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Uh, and lastly, uh, Mil Lane is back
open and as well as Market Street. So,

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we fixed the the sewer issue over on
Mill Lane, like I said, and Verizon

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putting their new diesel tank on Market.
So, things are getting back to normal

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there. So, I appreciate it. Thanks.
>> Thank you. Item C, financial reports.

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Consider acceptance of the statement of
revenues and expenses for the 10 months

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ending April 30th, 2026.
Any questions on the financial

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statements?
The financial statements are hereby

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received. Item five, old business. We
have no old business this evening

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because we have a lot of new business
this [laughter] evening.

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Item six, new business. Item A, storm
water utility. We are holding a public

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hearing and considering an ordinance on
first reading to amend, revise,

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reordain, and enact chapter 30
environment by adopting additional

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sections 30-189
through 30-19

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article 6 storm water utility fee of the
code of the city of Salem, Virginia, as

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advertised in the July 23rd and 30th,
2026 issues of the Salem Times Register.

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Before I open the public hearing, is
staff um interested in in discussing

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this and make a presentation?
Thank you, Mr. Simpson.

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» Good evening, Vice Mayor Green. Um and
members, council.

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» Sounds like that may not be on.
>> He's muted.

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» There we go. Okay. [laughter]
Uh good evening. My name is Will

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Simpson. I'm the city engineer uh and
assistant director for community

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development for the city of Salem. Um
tonight we're here to discuss uh a

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potential storm water utility fee. Um
we've had um several public meetings uh

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to go over this. Um we've met with
council, we've met with staff. Um but

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I'll just do a a brief presentation to
kind of go over the overview of what

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this is and why we're doing it.

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Okay. Um so why why does Salem need an
enterprise fund? Um for [clears throat]

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for several years now um the city has
been um under a uh what's called a

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municipal storm separate storm sewer
system permit uh which is short for MS4.

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Um that what that does is all localities
that are an incorporated city u that

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that control their own storm water have
to be under this permit. It is a state

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issued permit. Uh and inside of that
permit, there are mandates that the

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state um hands down to the city. Those
mandates that come down are unfunded. Uh

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it is up to the locality to fund these
and make sure you're adhering to these

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mandates that that come down. Over the
years, they've gotten more and more

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stringent um as as time has gone on. Uh
when the first permit came out, uh there

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were very loose ends in this and so you
were able to to to do the minimal amount

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to be able to adhere to the the permit.
As time has gone on, they've they've

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closed those loose ends and made things
more stringent to the point where um now

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you have to do a lot more uh to be able
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adhered to. um we are currently um in
compliance, but we are barely in

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compliance. So that is why we're looking
at other funding sources. So staff came

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to council um and told council of our
needs of what was going on. And so

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council then um told us that what we
needed to do was try to look for

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possible funding sources for this. So um
as you can see on the the slides here um

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what we have to do one of the biggest
things that we are uh subject to is

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what's called a total maximum daily load
and and those are TMDLs and what our

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biggest one is is sediment removal. So
sediment removal can be anything in

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creeks, streams, rivers um from
construction to natural erosion, things

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like that. Um so the city
in addition to the storm water that we

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regulate, we also regulate our erosion
and sediment control um mandates that

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come down from the state as well. So all
this is tied together and that's why

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what what we're seeing with these
increased um regulations.

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So what's causing a lot of these
problems? Um you know we've got

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increased development um increased
impervious area. you've got more

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frequent storms, um more intense storms.
Um perfect example was earlier today. Um

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we didn't get hit as hard here, but
other areas they got hit hard with winds

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and rains and and there's flooding and
things like that. So that's all that's

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all occurring at a more um frequent rate
than it has in the past. Um and the

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other issue is our aging infrastructure.
uh we we've got infrastructure that was

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put in 50 60 years ago and you know it's
kind of one of those out of sight out of

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mind type things. Um so those are things
that we need to look at um improving in

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the city to help with our our permits.
So how would a utility fee be used? Um a

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lot of it is for our administration. Uh
well I I won't say a lot of it about

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half of it's for our administration
because we have to do certain things for

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the state. Um we have annual reviews
that we have to go through. We have

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audits every 5 years that are very
intense. Um we have our inspections. We

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have facilities in the in the city that
have to be maintained. So all of that

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can be um utilized by a stormwater fee.
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we've also got um developing more um
BMPPS with best management practices.

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So, those are things like ponds and rain
gardens and things that can help out

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with some quality control and quantity
control of storm water. Um, some other

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things that we're looking at doing with
a storm water fee would be to um improve

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our our streams and and do some
restorations in our streams and creeks

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and rivers. U because if you ride
around, you can see all kind of natural

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erosion occurring in all of our creeks
and streams. And so this would be an

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area where we could improve and get a
lot of credits from the state for that

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sediment removal. Um and then the last
thing like I talked about before is our

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infrastructure. We need to we need to
improve our infrastructure and we need

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to get a better handle on what type of
infrastructure we have, where it is,

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what shape it is in, and then be able to
come up with a prioritization list of of

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projects that come out of that.
So how can we do it? Um, the state code

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gives every locality that is subject to
an MS4 permit the ability to create a

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stormwater utility fee. It's uh section
code or state code 15.2-2114.

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Um, that allows
um for the locality to set aside a

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special dedicated revenue strictly for
the use of storm water. It can't be used

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for anything else. It can't go towards
any kind of um you know vehicles for

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other departments or special projects or
anything like that. It has to go

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specifically for storm water. So if it's
not storm water related, the funds that

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are generated from this cannot be used
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So how did we come to this point? So,
like I said earlier, um we had a

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directive from council that that told us
to explore some options on how we can

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generate funds for storm water. Um we
established a storm water advisory

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committee that was a citizen and and and
public-based uh group that consisted of

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people from um Renault College uh
churches. We had some industry um people

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that were on that. We had local business
owners and we had citizens that were on

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it. Um we met several times, I think it
was probably six or seven times um

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throughout the span of about six or
seven months um with that that council

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that that committee in particular. Um
but we also met with that committee with

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other localities that have already gone
through this process. So Salem is one of

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the last localities in our area to go
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um Reno City, Blackburg, Christiansburg,
Lynchburg, Stanton, most everybody

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around us already has this in place and
has had it in place for the better part

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of 10 10 to 15 years already. Um so we
have talked with a bunch of them, got

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lessons learned from them, tried to get
the the best of of what they did and

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tried to incorporate it into this. Um so
the goal of this group was to establish

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a parameter for what we wanted to what
this we wanted this fee to look like,

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how we were going to how we were going
to assess it, what it was going to cost,

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how it was going to be u distributed,
you know, things like that. So um the

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other thing that we did was we created
the ordinance that is before you today

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um that we have to do and and and alter
our ordinance to include this language

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in it. Um, and then I'll touch on this a
little bit later, but the crediting,

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there is a crediting structure inside of
the storm water ordinance. So, what we

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have to do is if we off if we charge a
fee, we have to be able to offer credits

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for any measures that that uh any
company or homeowner or anything like

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that does to improve their storm water.
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public outreach. We've we've had
information up on the community

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development's website. We've had a
social media post. Um multiple social

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media posts have gone out. Um we sent
out a um flyer and everybody's utility

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bill about what the storm water fee is
and and notifying them of public

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meetings. Um and then we did have two
public meetings over at Salem Civic

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Center on June 18th and June 24th, which
I think most everybody um from council

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and even some planning commission
attended.

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So
basically what the the fee boils down to

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is it is a charge for the amount of
impervious area. And by imperous area I

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mean the amount of um square footage of
area that you have on your land that

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does not allow water to to to absorb
into it. It just runs off sheet flow

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off. Um, so that's things like houses,
roofs, driveways, pavement, parking

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lots, sidewalks, things like that. So
what we have to do is we got the the

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state data. they they fly the state and
they get um aerial imagery for the

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entire state and then what they do is
they digitize that aerial imagery and

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they're able to um trace out and get the
exact square footage for every parcel in

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the city u for how much impervious area
is on that parcel. So what we did is we

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have divided that up between residential
and non-residential. So, you've got your

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residential that has single family
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you know, all those types of things. Um,
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non-residential, which is your, uh,
industry, your industrial units, um,

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your commercial, retail, things like
that. Um, so what we're planning to do

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on that is every 3 years the state flies
um, their aerial imagery, and we're

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going to update our data every 3 years.
We're on a we're on a cycle now with

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state. We have a contract set up with
them that we're going to have this data

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updated every 3 years.

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So what the committee came up with was
two separate ways of billing this. One

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is for the residential side, one is for
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residential side. It basically say takes
um the average area for the entire city

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for all residential units, residential
lots in the entire city. We took the

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average impervious area on that lot and
it came up to about 3500 square ft of

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imperous area. So that is what is called
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equivalent residential unit or an ERU.
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based off of one ERU. So what um the
committee came up with after talking

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with other localities is that for a
single family house, a condo or a town

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home, it would be charged $10 a month
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home, it's just a flat $10 fee. There is
no measuring or anything like that. It's

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just a flat fee. um for apartments,
duplexes, triplexes, multif family

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homes, um those are typically
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renters or things like that. Um we're
we're charging a half of an ERU, so

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basically $5 a month if it's a $10 um
which is what we're proposing. And then

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for mobile homes, they're a little
smaller. They don't necessarily create

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as much storm water as a house or any of
these others. We did a third or yeah a

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third 33 or 30% of the ERU which is $3

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for your non-residential. So this is
churches, industrial,

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educational, you know, Reno College,
everything, anything that's not a

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residential unit.
It's a tiered structure. So basically we

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went through and looked at everybody's
um structure of how they have that set

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up and most everybody do a tiered
structure for the larger units. So a lot

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of these industrial and commercial and
things like that are going to be bigger

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than what your what your homes are. So
there is a there's a tiered uh I think

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yeah it's right here. So there's there's
a tiered um monthly fee for that. So,

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wherever you fall in your parcel, so if
you've got say 25,000 square ft or 20

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24,000 ft², you would fall in that range
and that would be your monthly fee based

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off of this. Now, like I said before,
there are crediting things that you can

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do for your storm water and and
collection and things like that.

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If you're already meeting the current
storm water uh management criteria for

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the city, then you're almost
automatically going to qualify for

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several credits. Um some of the older
things that ne don't necessarily meet

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today's current standards, they would
maybe have to bring some things up into

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current standards to qualify for those
same credits. But most everybody who's

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doing new development, things like that,
they're going to automatically qualify

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for 30 to 40% credits on their bill
because they're already doing what we're

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asking them to do to improve the the
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So,
these are a sample of what we anticipate

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cost to be. Um, like I said before,
we've got administration. um

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administration is salary um for staff um
equipment and vehicle maintenance for

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the storm water staff. Um and then
consultant fees for when we need to do

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um we have a environmental consultant
that helps us out with all of our stuff

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that we do with storm water. Um, as far
as like the annual reviews and things

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like that, anything that we're dealing
with DEEQ, uh, we have a a consultant

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that is an expert at doing these types
of things and they help us out with

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that. They also can help us out with um
doing uh designs for any of these these

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projects that we want to do, whether
it's um infrastructure improvement or

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it's you know stream bank stabilization
or things like that. These are things

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that we will need the consultants to
help us with because we do have a very

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small staff in house.
Um other things u maintenance um we have

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an ongoing maintenance crew that that
works on storm drains that replaces

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storm drains. Um they they work on the
maintenance of our ponds, things like

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that. We also have our street sweeping
program that can be fully supplemented

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by the storm water fee um because that
is a ma it can be a a good tool that we

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can use for our sediment removal
credits. Um right now we don't have that

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enough to be able to qualify for the
storm water credits but or for the

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sediment credits. But if we were to do
this and we were able to put somebody

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full-time that can do this and do the
things that we need, we can then make

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that up and and be able to get the
credits that that we can um use for

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sediment. And then the last thing is um
our projects, our capital projects that

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we're looking at doing. We want to we
want to be able to upgrade storm drains

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and and put in curb and gutter where it
needs to go to help collect things. We

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want to be able to do the stream bank
stabilizations. We want to um you know

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do a lot of the sediment removal things
that we need to meet our permits. Um and

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those are those are not cheap. Those are
not cheap at all. We have

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uh I'd say probably the better part of
over 150 stormwater ponds in the city.

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Um and probably a third of those are
cityowned and maintained. So there's a

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lot that we have to do to keep those
ponds running properly and things like

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that.

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So, what's our revenues? Um, based off
of the numbers that we've presented, um,

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if we had no credits whatsoever, um, we
would be generating about $2.8 million,

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um, in in the revenues. Um, with the
credits, we figured, um, most of the

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credits would come from the
non-residential side. There is a

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crediting um option for residential. Um
but it is it can be a little um

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intensive um just like the the
non-residential can, but anybody's

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eligible for it. If they want to go
through the process and do it, they can.

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Um so basically what we're we're
figuring is probably roughly around $2.4

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million is what we would actually see if
we get all of the the fees coming in and

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people apply for the credits that they
are looking for.

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How would it be built? So, um what we
would be looking for is if council gives

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approval for this, um we would take the
next probably four months and and get

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everything set up and ready to go
through utility billing. So, it would be

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build on your water and sewer utility
bill. Um and then we would be looking to

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implement this starting January 1st. Um,
so there wouldn't be any if if if you

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vote yes at the next meeting, it's not
like it's, you know, September 1st,

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we're putting it into to plan. Um, it
would it would take us a few months to

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make sure we have everything set up with
utility billing and and do all that

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before we can essentially go live on
January 1st. Um, like we said, crediting

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is available. Um, there is an
application process that you have to go

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through. Um we will once we have this in
place if if it goes through we will put

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out information um we'll send out
letters to anybody who's eligible. We

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would do all that stuff to get the
public education out there and we would

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still probably have some other meetings
um public meetings and and open up for

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questions if anybody has any on how to
do it. We try to walk them through the

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process for the first time.
Um, like I said, continuing coordination

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with utility billing. Um, you know,
there's there's things that we've got to

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still work out. We're going to go
through each each parcel individually to

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make sure that it's being built properly
before the first bill goes out. We don't

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want any bills to go out mistakenly. We
don't want them to go out wrong. Um,

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[clears throat] could it happen? Sure.
And we do have an appeals process as

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well. That's all in the ordinance. um if
if somebody feels like they've their

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bill is wrong, they can appeal it to the
director of community development and

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then, you know, we can sort it out from
there. Um and then for non-payment, the

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penalties um would be the same as any
other utility that's out there, water

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and sewer.
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So, I won't take a lot of time on this,
but this is just an example of how

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accrediting would work. So, you've got
different storms that you have to um

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design for to do storm water management.
And if you meet those criterias, you can

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get certain credits for that. So,
upwards of 10% for each one. Um if you

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go above and beyond our standards and do
all of these things that are on this

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list, you can qualify for upwards of 90%
credit. Um, so if you've got, you know,

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for example on this one, if if a non
residential has, you know, 50,000 square

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feet or so, they would be subject to
$157 without credits. $157.14.

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[clears throat]
But if they go through and they've done

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the top four, they're going to get 40%
credit on that. So that that drops it

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down to $10228.
If they go through and do all of it, it

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would be 90% of that and it would drop
it down even further. So, like I said,

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there's there's crediting options out
there. Um, but there's also

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documentation and things like that that
you have to go through to make sure that

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your your pond or your facility that
you're using is is functioning properly.

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So, where are we? Um, these are the
things we've done so far. Like I said,

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we did research and study. We met with
the the advisory committee. Um, we've

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done public outreach. We've taken input.
We've mod we've done some modifications

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to some things. based on that. Um and
then we had work session with city

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council on July 27th to report the
findings of all that. Um so our next

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steps to where we are right now. Um
we've got our first reading of the

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ordinance uh tonight. Um second reading
will be in in two weeks. Um and then we

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we do have each um the residential and
the non-residential both have crediting

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manuals. So there's a manual that
explains everything on how to get your

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credits. Um, like I said, there's one
for residential and there's one for

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non-residential. So, we are going to be
finalizing those. Um, they're basically

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in final draft now. We're just making
sure that that nothing comes out of

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these meetings that's going to change
anything. Um, and then once those are

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are ready, we're going to put those out
on the website. We're going to put them

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out in blast and things like that so
everybody knows about them. they can

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maybe start if they want to go ahead and
start getting their stuff together so

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that they can apply for it and have it
um active on January 1. Um and then like

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I said, continuing public outreach and
education. We want to we want to

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continue to put this this information
out on the web. We want to continue if

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if people want um additional meetings or
things like that, we can have meetings.

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um any questions um you know myself uh
Sam Driscoll with storm water um the

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stormwater manager we can answer any
questions and if if we can't answer it

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right away we will get answers and get
it back to people um and then lastly is

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assuming it goes through uh
implementation would begin starting

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January 1st.
So that's all I have for the

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presentation for now. Um, I'm going to
sit down and then if there's any

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anything that comes up, I can come back
up and address anything.

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» Ask one thing cuz I know it's going to
come up.

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» Can you just give a few examples of
residential credits?

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» So, a residential credit could be
anything from like rain barrels. Um, so

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if if if you've got your downspouts and
they go into a rain barrel, um, that can

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be a credit. Uh you can do rain gardens,
you can do any kind of um tree plantings

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and things like that that that take out
uh that that add to green space. So

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basically the more green space you have
the the better off you're going to be.

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Um, so tree, like I said, tree
plantings, rain barrels, and rain

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gardens are probably the biggest three
the best examples that you can you can

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do on those for
>> and an impervious driveway like if you

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had pavers instead of so a a driveway if
you have interlocking grid um driveway

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that allows water to hit it and then
soak in, that would be considered a a

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BMP, that would get you a credit. Um, or
you could do what's called the pvious

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asphalt, which it looks just like black
top, but it hits and soaks in. It's It's

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almost spongelike, but it's hard, if
that makes sense. Um, but there's

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there's that is a little bit more
expensive to put in and it's more

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maintenance intensive.
>> Thank you. I just know that's going to

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be one of the first questions. So,
>> thank you.

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» All right. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Mr. Simpson. So, at this

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time, we will go ahead and open the
public hearing on this item. Is there

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anybody that's interested in speaking on
this ordinance?

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00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:05,200
When you come forward, please state your
name and address for the record.

405
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:09,279
» Good evening. I'm Joe Foley, 302 Academy
Street in Salem. I attended one of the

406
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:14,159
meetings that was done by the city and
Will and his staff did an exceptional

407
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:17,519
job with that. Think of Tyler. Is that
>> Sam? Sam.

408
00:33:15,039 --> 00:33:20,799
» Sam. Okay, there was another gentleman
there and they did a great job. It was a

409
00:33:19,039 --> 00:33:24,799
testy group. There was a group they had
a lot of questions that was hostile. U

410
00:33:23,679 --> 00:33:27,679
people were very aggressive and they
handled it very well and answered all

411
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:31,440
the questions. So you should be proud of
of the citiz of what their work and how

412
00:33:29,919 --> 00:33:36,240
they presented. In the end they pretty
much won everybody over and said yes

413
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:40,799
this has to happen. Um we're tearing
things for the businesses and that's my

414
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:44,960
only issue that is concern is for the
residentials. We're not tearing it and I

415
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:48,159
I know why. It's because it would add
city employees. We'd add in the staffing

416
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:52,880
and more of the money would have to go
to administering it. But we're also

417
00:33:50,399 --> 00:33:57,360
taking a um house that maybe has 10,000
square feet of imperial surface and

418
00:33:54,960 --> 00:34:03,039
charging them $10 a month. And we have a
house that is 600 square ft and we're

419
00:34:00,799 --> 00:34:07,120
charging them $10 a month. I propose the
person who has 10,000 ft of imperial

420
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:11,760
surface, the $10 isn't a big deal to
them, but in a smaller residential that

421
00:34:09,599 --> 00:34:15,839
$10 a month may be. So I don't want to
add staffing and add more government

422
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:22,480
employees. But we also for the citizens
to say well it's the same fee whether

423
00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:26,960
you own a mansion or you have a shack
doesn't seem like we should consider

424
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:32,879
that economics with it. It is only $10,
but in some households $10 is is is

425
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:36,720
impactful. So uh just consider that with
it. And um again everything else went

426
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:41,040
really really well. They did a really
good job and um I don't see a solution

427
00:34:38,879 --> 00:34:44,159
to this but just something to be aware
of.

428
00:34:41,599 --> 00:34:47,440
» Thank you. Thanks Joe.
>> Is there anyone else in the audience

429
00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:50,440
that would like to speak on this
ordinance?

430
00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:59,760
» It's not Reinhardt 213 North Broad
Street. Um

431
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:05,839
a comment
and a question and an observation.

432
00:35:04,240 --> 00:35:12,000
Um
the question is

433
00:35:08,079 --> 00:35:17,839
would the it's kind of what um Mr. Foley
was was questioning about. So if you had

434
00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:24,800
say I have a brick walkway that's been
there for a hundred years. Is that an a

435
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:30,079
permeable surface? Just a question.
And then number two is I've been wanting

436
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:33,680
for a long time to see our stream by
city hall, the green, where the pipes

437
00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:38,079
are coming out and every year they stick
out a little bit more. That that's

438
00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:41,680
something that you see around. If you're
in your own neighborhood, you may have a

439
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:47,680
creek that does that where I worry
actually about the house next door

440
00:35:44,240 --> 00:35:52,320
because um over time, unless we
remediate that um you're going to have

441
00:35:50,320 --> 00:36:00,000
it maybe hitting the foundation at some
point. Um, and then the comment, um,

442
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:05,119
I don't think it's going to help us
even if we figure out

443
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:11,680
the very astute comment just made about
the difference between a small house and

444
00:36:07,119 --> 00:36:17,680
a mega mansion getting the same fee.
But and I see the need for funds to fix

445
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:21,440
a problem that's been de developing over
the years

446
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:26,240
because in some cases because of the
increased rainfall.

447
00:36:23,359 --> 00:36:33,359
But the the question or the challenge I
would give you guys is that we have

448
00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:38,960
steadily over the last few decades been
developing out many of our chunks of

449
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:44,960
green space in our community. in
addition to increased rainfall in many

450
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:47,839
areas. Um, and frequently neighborhoods
that are above other neighborhoods, it

451
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:52,240
can really mess with their sewage
systems and the aging infrastructure

452
00:36:49,359 --> 00:36:57,119
they were talking about. Um, to me it
seems like

453
00:36:54,720 --> 00:37:02,640
I guess it's another question. Do we
have an important section of this where

454
00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:07,520
we are addressing the fact that we can't
keep densifying because it it seems like

455
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:13,599
it's going against an something I saw in
the comp plan where there's a it feels

456
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:20,560
like a maybe a push to um increase
density [clears throat] and um allow

457
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:25,520
more development. So, I'm just saying
think about the fact that those are

458
00:37:23,359 --> 00:37:30,160
opposing forces and that we need to
figure that out so that we're not kind

459
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:32,400
of killing everything that we're trying
to do positively. Thank you.

460
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:36,320
» Thank you.
>> Thank you. Still,

461
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:41,839
» anyone else who'd like to speak this
evening on this ordinance?

462
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:47,680
That case, I will go ahead and close the
public hearing. Is there anything else

463
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:53,680
you'd like to say, Mr. Simpson?
Um, I'll just there's a couple things

464
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:58,880
that I'll I'll address real quick. Um,
so one of the things that um, M.

465
00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:02,160
Reinhardt said, um, about the outfalls
sticking out and and seeing things like

466
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:06,720
that. Those are the exact type projects
we want to go after. Um, because we have

467
00:38:05,119 --> 00:38:12,800
uh, what's called an outfall recon.
That's one of the things that we are

468
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:18,480
required to do for our MS4 permit and we
already have identified multiple

469
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:22,720
projects. um without fall recon of just
those types of things that we need to

470
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:26,880
fix and those also will help us with our
sediment credits. Um and then the other

471
00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:30,800
thing was about the tiered system for
residential. Um we looked at that. Um we

472
00:38:29,359 --> 00:38:35,520
did look at a tiered and we did look at
a flat. U we looked at what others did

473
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:40,640
around us. It's it's a mixed bag. Some
do tiered, some do flat. Um but with the

474
00:38:38,720 --> 00:38:46,800
stormwater advisory committee, we talked
with them about it and every one of them

475
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:50,480
unanimously said that it would be u
better to do a flat fee because we would

476
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:55,440
generate roughly the same amount of
money if we did tiered versus flat, but

477
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:59,040
it would be I won't say infinitely more
work, but it would be a lot more work to

478
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:04,960
keep up with because we would have to go
to each individual residential lot and

479
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:10,160
make sure that we are we are um billing
it properly, that we are making sure

480
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:14,240
that the um the square footage of the
impervious area on every individual lot.

481
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:17,599
So every every deck that gets put in,
every shed that gets put in, everything

482
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:22,240
like that, we would have to account for
and change the fee every single time it

483
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:26,320
gets done. So at [snorts] that point,
the the committee said unanimously they

484
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:31,160
said the flat fee would just be an
easier administrative work to do.

485
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:39,119
» All right. So at this time, uh do I have
a motion to approve this ordinance? Yes.

486
00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:43,200
I make a motion that we enact chapter 30
environment by adopting additional

487
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:48,320
sections 30-189
through 30-199

488
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:51,599
article 6 storm water utility fee of the
city of the code of the city of Salem

489
00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:54,560
Virginia.
>> Second.

490
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:58,000
» It's been moved and seconded. Roll call
vote please.

491
00:39:56,240 --> 00:39:59,680
» Mr. Saunders
>> I.

492
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,960
» Mr. Holiday.
>> I.

493
00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:02,400
» Mr. Foley.
>> I.

494
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,720
» Miss Green.
>> I.

495
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:08,079
» Mayor Turk.
>> I.

496
00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:12,960
Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Simpson and
your staff. I know that it's it's been a

497
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:16,720
great deal of work and I agree with Mr.
Foley. I was at one of the meetings and

498
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:20,480
and you and your staff did a very good
job of of making the presentation,

499
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:25,920
explaining the importance of this
ordinance.

500
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:30,400
» That moves us to item B, special
exception permit. Hold a public hearing

501
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:35,280
and consider the request of Community
Church, Inc. property owner and

502
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:40,240
Cornerstone Classical Academy LE for the
issuance of a special exception permit

503
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:45,680
to allow for an educational facility
primary secondary on the property

504
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:51,119
located at 1923 East Main Street tax
number 78-1-14.

505
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:55,760
This was advertised in the July 23rd and
30th, 2026 issues of the Salem Times

506
00:40:53,920 --> 00:41:00,800
Register. The planning commission
recommended approval with conditions.

507
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:04,960
Mary Ellen Wines, would you like is
there anything you'd like to explain

508
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:10,040
about this particular ordinance or
public special exception permit? Excuse

509
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,040
me.

510
00:41:10,319 --> 00:41:18,880
» Thank you, Vice Mayor. Um, yes,
Community Church has leased a portion of

511
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:25,680
their uh buildings on East Main Street
to the Cornerstone Classical uh Academy.

512
00:41:22,319 --> 00:41:31,280
They are a hybrid homeschool
and they are in the church property

513
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:36,960
three days a week give or take for a
total of around

514
00:41:33,839 --> 00:41:40,880
87 90 days for a school year. Um the
primary issues discussed in the special

515
00:41:39,119 --> 00:41:44,960
exception permit application with
planning commission were traffic

516
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:50,480
circulation, the student drop off and
pickup, parking issues, and then there

517
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:55,359
are some building and life safety uh
codes that they're currently trying to

518
00:41:53,040 --> 00:42:00,800
meet. U so those were the things that
were discussed by the commission. It was

519
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:05,200
suggested that uh two conditions be
placed on any approval. One would be a

520
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:10,960
minor site plan submittal that would
verify the traffic circulation and the

521
00:42:07,839 --> 00:42:16,480
parking requirements and also that if
the uh church would cease to be there,

522
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:20,880
any religious assembly cease to be on
the location that the special exception

523
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:26,319
permit would then be void that it's
always uh accessory to a current church

524
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:31,280
use. And as you said, planning
commission voted unanimous unanimously

525
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:35,440
with the two conditions.
Are there any questions from council for

526
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:38,000
Miss Wines?
>> No. All right. Thank you.

527
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:42,000
» Thank you.
>> At this point, I will go ahead and open

528
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:47,280
the public hearing on the special
exception permit. Are there any people

529
00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:52,200
who are interested in making comments on
this particular

530
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,200
item?

531
00:42:54,560 --> 00:43:00,640
All right. I'll go ahead and close the
meeting.

532
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:04,880
Do we have a motion on this special
exception permit?

533
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:09,280
» Yes. I make a motion that we approve the
request of Community Church, Inc. uh

534
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:13,839
property owner in Cornerstone Class
Classical Academy, the LEC, for the

535
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:18,960
issuance of a special exception permit
to allow for an educational facility

536
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:25,079
primary secondary on property located at
1923 East Main Street, tax map 78-1-14.

537
00:43:25,839 --> 00:43:30,800
» Is it
With the conditions.

538
00:43:29,359 --> 00:43:32,880
» With conditions. Yes. With the
conditions.

539
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:36,240
» Yes.
>> Is there a second?

540
00:43:35,119 --> 00:43:38,960
» Second.
>> It's been moved and seconded. Is there

541
00:43:37,839 --> 00:43:41,760
any discussion on this?
>> I have a point of order. Um, I'd mean no

542
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,760
harm.
>> Yeah.

543
00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:46,720
» Are you a member of that church, Mr.
Holiday?

544
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:51,040
» Yes, I am.
>> Is it appropriate for him to vote on?

545
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:54,440
I'm not trying to trying to keep us out
of hot water.

546
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:08,720
He's not a member of the school
obviously given the fact that there are

547
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:16,119
he's not the only member and I assume
doesn't any kind of salary or any kind.

548
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:16,119
» Okay. Thank you. Thank you.

549
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:26,240
the um life safety issues I assume are
going to be taken care of and it's my

550
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:31,599
understanding that the city we are
working with that with the school and

551
00:44:29,599 --> 00:44:35,760
the church to make sure that those are
that the children there will be safe is

552
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:40,240
that correct miss wines
>> yes ma'am they are required to fulfill

553
00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:45,520
those regulations before they can occupy
the school

554
00:44:41,119 --> 00:44:48,960
» okay thank you any other discussion
Roll call vote, please.

555
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,480
» Mr. Saunders,
>> I.

556
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,760
» Mr. Holiday,
>> I.

557
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,040
» Mr. Foley,
>> I.

558
00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:55,119
» Miss Green,
>> I.

559
00:44:53,440 --> 00:45:00,800
» Mayor Turk,
>> I.

560
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:04,160
» All right, that motion has passed. The
special exception permit.

561
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:09,200
» Thank you, Chief.
>> Has been approved.

562
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:11,200
That moves us to C another special
exception permit.

563
00:45:10,319 --> 00:45:15,520
» Mr. Don't
>> hold a public hearing and consider the

564
00:45:13,599 --> 00:45:21,440
request of the Robertson family
revocable trust property owner and Ammer

565
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:26,480
Alsotti Lassi for the issuance of a
special exception permit to allow retail

566
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:32,319
sales smoke shop on the property located
at 501 West 4th Street tax map number

567
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:37,920
143-3-14.
This was advertised in the July 23rd and

568
00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:42,640
30th 2026 issues of the Salem Times
Register. The planning commission

569
00:45:39,839 --> 00:45:47,880
recommended denial. Miss Wines, is there
anything you'd like to tell us about

570
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,880
this particular permit?

571
00:45:50,319 --> 00:45:59,040
» Thank you. If you all would recall, in
2024, the Virginia State General

572
00:45:55,040 --> 00:46:03,760
Assembly allowed localities to extract
smoke shops uh individually from regular

573
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:08,800
retail sales. And that's what city
council chose to do. And since then,

574
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:14,079
we've had a uh special exception
requirement

575
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:19,839
for uh highway business district to
allow a smoke shop. Uh in your packet,

576
00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:25,040
I'm sure you have a map of the other 11
locations that we have a smoke shop,

577
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:29,839
which was one of the major concerns of
planning commission uh was that we do

578
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:34,160
have several of those smoke shops
throughout the city. and they were uh

579
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:38,319
questioning whether or not that was the
highest and best use of this property.

580
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:45,119
It does meet the regulations as far as
the distance from any school or daycare.

581
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:49,520
Um but there is also uh one down uh
Fourth Street there by Lowe's WC Vapor

582
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:55,599
and then of course there's two
convenience stores right on the uh down

583
00:46:51,680 --> 00:47:01,599
Fourth Street the other side. Um they it
is the former Domino's location uh you

584
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:05,200
may recall and
yeah planning commission recommended

585
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:10,880
denial.
>> All right. Thank you. Any questions from

586
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:13,520
Miss Wines on on this matter.
All right. We go ahead and thank you.

587
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:17,599
» Thank you
>> and open the public hearing. Is there

588
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:22,599
anyone here to speak on the special
exception permit for a smoke shop?

589
00:47:22,720 --> 00:47:28,640
Seeing no one, I will go ahead and close
the public hearing. Do I have a motion

590
00:47:27,839 --> 00:47:33,440
on this?
>> Yes. I move that we deny the approval of

591
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:36,720
a special exception permit for this
property. I do not believe it's the

592
00:47:34,720 --> 00:47:39,040
highest and best use.
>> Second.

593
00:47:37,359 --> 00:47:43,319
» It's been moved and seconded. Is there
any discussion on this topic?

594
00:47:43,599 --> 00:47:48,000
» Okay. Roll call vote, please.
>> Mr. Saunders,

595
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,359
» I.
>> Mr. Holiday,

596
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:50,640
» I.
>> Mr. Foley,

597
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:53,680
» I.
>> Miss Green,

598
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:56,960
» I. Mayor Turk
>> I

599
00:47:54,880 --> 00:48:02,240
» All right. The uh request has been
denied for this particular smoke shop.

600
00:47:59,839 --> 00:48:06,160
That moves us to item D, special
exception permit use not provided for

601
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:10,079
permit.
We have a request to hold a public

602
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:14,720
hearing at the request of the Preston
Place Preservation Foundation, Inc.

603
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:19,839
property owner for a special exception
permit to allow assembly hall,

604
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:25,359
non-residential uses in an accessory
structure, and non-residential uses out

605
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:29,760
of doors, and a use not provided for
permit for outdoor gatherings of less

606
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:36,160
than 500 people on the property located
at 1936 West Main Street, tax map number

607
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:42,640
138-2-7.
This was advertised in the July 23rd and

608
00:48:39,119 --> 00:48:48,319
30th, 2026 issues of the Salem Times
register. This is divided into two

609
00:48:46,319 --> 00:48:53,760
parts. The first part is a special
exception permit. Uh and then the second

610
00:48:51,599 --> 00:48:59,040
part is the use not provided for permit.
So when the voting happens, we will um

611
00:48:56,079 --> 00:49:03,880
vote on those separately. Miss Wines, do
you have anything you'd like to tell us

612
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,880
about this?

613
00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:14,720
Thank you. Um, Preston Place on West
Main Street is zoned community business

614
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:20,480
district. Community business district is
a transitional district that allows for

615
00:49:17,599 --> 00:49:24,640
smallcale mixed use. Um, on the
periphery of residential neighborhoods

616
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:29,359
most of the time. So, you get that
transition. You get uh things like the

617
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:34,400
dillydally and other small shops on the
periphery of neighborhoods.

618
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:39,119
This property um as you know has the
Preston house on it. Uh originally it

619
00:49:37,119 --> 00:49:43,440
was going to be a mixeduse structure
where someone would live upstairs and

620
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:49,760
they would use the rest of the house as
their civic uh location. Um because of

621
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:54,319
that, a special exception permit is
required for any use out of doors that's

622
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:58,079
non-residential,
any use of accessory structures that are

623
00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:02,920
non-residential,
and uh for the

624
00:50:04,240 --> 00:50:13,599
assembly hall that they uh propose for a
future wedding venue and event space.

625
00:50:11,119 --> 00:50:18,079
Uh, also they want to have large outdoor
gatherings and the only definition in

626
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:23,359
our zoning zoning ordinance currently
for outdoor gatherings is for larger

627
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:28,400
than 500 people. So this use not
provided for permit request is for under

628
00:50:25,599 --> 00:50:32,800
500 people. And in order to accommodate
the foundation in one fell swoop without

629
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:36,640
them having to come back to you all
several times for different uses, we

630
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:40,880
tried to include everything in their
request. Planning Commission did

631
00:50:39,119 --> 00:50:46,240
recommend approval of the special
exception permits with no conditions.

632
00:50:43,599 --> 00:50:52,400
They did place conditions on the use not
provided for permit that you have before

633
00:50:49,359 --> 00:51:00,400
you. Uh for an updated site plan to be
submitted, for the existing brownstone

634
00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:06,000
uh to be maintained, and for anything
above the the normal occupancy load that

635
00:51:03,359 --> 00:51:11,599
they would submit a traffic plan and a
parking plan so that we could uh verify

636
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:16,079
that their safety and traffic would be
handled appropriately.

637
00:51:14,079 --> 00:51:19,200
Okay, thank you. Any questions for Miss
Wines?

638
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:25,200
» And then he als M Mr. Garc also request
um be limited to 200 persons.

639
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:28,240
» Yes, you are correct. Sorry. Thank you.
>> So that's one of the conditions.

640
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:32,319
» Yes, ma'am. There were four.
>> Okay.

641
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:39,119
» All right. Thank you. We're going to go
ahead and open the public hearing. We

642
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:43,599
have one person signed up to speak,
which is Mr. Breen. if you could come

643
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:47,079
forward and state your name and address
for the record.

644
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:56,319
» I I was so hoping I would follow Mr.
Robbins or somebody else more qualified

645
00:51:53,680 --> 00:52:01,839
to speak on this, but I do have some
thoughts. The Preston Place application

646
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:05,680
deserves the council's full and hearty
support.

647
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:10,480
The project is presented and undertaken
by Salem citizens who have organized

648
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:14,000
into a group to protect and enhance this
property.

649
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:18,319
The group is not like a deep pocket
developer who seeks approval to enhance

650
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:23,440
their profits.
Rather, the Preston Place project will

651
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:29,040
enhance Salem's amenities and benefit
its citizens. The project's intended

652
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:33,680
uses dovetail nicely with public and
private services

653
00:52:31,359 --> 00:52:40,240
that support many of the comprehensive
plan goals and objectives. It is only

654
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:44,640
appropriate that sales Salem's official
administratively and legislatively

655
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:46,480
support this effort. Thank you.
>> Thank you.

656
00:52:45,359 --> 00:52:51,200
» Thank you.
>> Are there any other people in the

657
00:52:48,319 --> 00:52:56,640
audience who'd like to uh speak on this
topic? Please state your name and

658
00:52:53,359 --> 00:53:00,880
address for the record.
>> Good evening. Hope y'all are doing well.

659
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:05,440
My name is Dave Robbins. I live at 620
High Street and I'm the president of the

660
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:10,559
Preston Place Preservation Foundation,
Inc. And I've got a few things I want to

661
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:15,839
hand out to each of you. This this is a
brochure we've just come up with that

662
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:23,359
talks about Preston Place. It it gives
information and and all about the

663
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:23,359
things. I'll give these out. We have

664
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,880
Thank
>> Dave

665
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:34,520
off the press.
>> Thank you on your fingers and take no

666
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,520
responsibility.

667
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,640
» Uh

668
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:46,160
um
as you well know, you know the history

669
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:52,480
of this property. I'm not going to go
back and go through all that. Um

670
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:56,480
uh the goal obviously is to save the
oldest house in the city, save them the

671
00:53:54,240 --> 00:54:04,800
only green space, uh left in that part
of town. So parking is a major issue in

672
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:12,240
that area. Um and uh we had a plan that
was uh done by Ben Crew in 2018 which

673
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:18,880
had to be reviewed and updated which we
did. uh Ben been uh updated it in one

674
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:28,559
day and I delivered that to Will Simpson
uh what a week ago roughly. Uh uh and

675
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:35,599
just so you know it's uh it is a it it
had it it is a spot parking spot for 14

676
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:41,200
spaces which we have to have just have
to have that for the main property and

677
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:44,400
basically that's done the same way you
know as you know I was involved with the

678
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:50,000
hang rock battlefield trail and that's
built the same way. Uh it has a rock

679
00:54:47,119 --> 00:54:55,680
base. It has a geotechnic material and
it has a colonial rock surface very

680
00:54:54,079 --> 00:55:01,839
little pavement which lets the water
table go up and down. Uh and so

681
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:06,960
basically it's very friendly for it
taking the waterway and so we we really

682
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:13,599
desperately need approval of that. Uh
the EDA, as you all know, has authorized

683
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:17,680
$50,000 up to for us to build that and
we're waiting for that approval. The

684
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:23,040
minute we have that, we have bids both
from G&H that I'm going to be getting

685
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:27,040
one from Salem Paving uh and and based
the performance screening we have to

686
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:32,720
meet with them is we have to, you know,
find the best

687
00:55:29,599 --> 00:55:38,800
uh builder uh not necessarily the
cheapest, but we will get two bids and

688
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:44,240
hopefully they'll be both below u uh the
$50,000

689
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:52,000
range. um with that if we have those 14
and and that gets along with the 17 that

690
00:55:47,599 --> 00:55:58,160
gives us 31 spaces. Mary Ellen uses the
three per space. Uh so that's only 93

691
00:55:55,920 --> 00:56:05,440
people we can accommodate which leaves
us a fairly long way from 200 even and

692
00:56:01,839 --> 00:56:13,680
you can do that math. Um and so
basically uh I have a call in to 81

693
00:56:08,799 --> 00:56:22,079
reality. 81 uh reality owns the is
located in um uh North Carolina. Uh but

694
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:28,480
uh the one of the owners is uh on is is
lives in Kingpring and I've I've and at

695
00:56:25,599 --> 00:56:34,799
that 81 Realy owns the lot where the
Goodwill, the Good Feet store and the uh

696
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:41,760
gym is and I've I've talked with the
manager of the gym and um he's very much

697
00:56:38,559 --> 00:56:46,880
in favor of us trying to get 36
additional lots that are already paved.

698
00:56:45,119 --> 00:56:50,480
But the last thing I want to do when I'm
trying to preserve green space is put

699
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:53,920
more pavement in.
>> It's the last thing I'm going to do.

700
00:56:51,599 --> 00:57:03,119
It's kind of an oxymoron.
And so I've called him uh uh um Mr.

701
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:08,480
Leonard is is the owner's u uh and I'm
waiting for his call back. So, if we can

702
00:57:05,119 --> 00:57:12,960
get an agreement to get 36 spaces there
on the outside for special events only

703
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:17,680
for the days, which will probably be 12
times a year, mostly on Saturday, and

704
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:26,319
come up to some agreement with them, you
know, 36 and we add uh uh that to 31.

705
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:30,880
That gives us uh 67* 3, we're pretty
close to that 200 number.

706
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:36,960
And for us to make a go of it, we've
we've got to have that kind of parking

707
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:41,040
spots. Um,
without that, uh, Reed Gar said, "Well,

708
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:44,160
Dave, if somebody gave you a million
dollars, would you need it?" And he and

709
00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:47,520
I said, "No, if you got a million, you
can give us." And he said, "No." And I

710
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:53,359
asked Mr. Dorscher, did he have a
million? And he said, "No." But for us

711
00:57:50,559 --> 00:57:58,799
to be self-sufficient and make that
project help a attractive business and

712
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:03,839
make it ongoing without coming back
every year and asking for money, we've

713
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:08,799
really got to have that kind of uh if
that doesn't work. U we have other

714
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:13,520
options probably to probably bust people
from a church, but that's more

715
00:58:10,559 --> 00:58:18,400
complicated. I we probably could get
some spaces across the road at Walmart,

716
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:23,200
but that's a dangerous road to cross.
We're dealing with a very dangerous road

717
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:29,359
for people to get out in and out of. If
you haven't tried to get out of Mama

718
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:34,799
Maria's or coming out of there at rush
hour between 4 and 5:30,

719
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:38,559
let me tell you, it is a dangerous and
we've got to do something with the speed

720
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:45,280
out there. We got to calm. I don't know
how we do that. Uh but we have to. And

721
00:58:41,839 --> 00:58:51,200
when we add wild to that mix, it's even
going to add more traffic and more

722
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:55,680
congestion in that area. So, uh, the
other things I know y'all were there

723
00:58:52,880 --> 00:59:00,400
when we had the work session years ago,
we had before we were going to set up

724
00:58:58,319 --> 00:59:04,880
and one of the things you should have in
your packet is that what? Well, before I

725
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:11,040
get to this one, one of the things that
Brad McDonald, he was the guy from the

726
00:59:08,079 --> 00:59:16,799
Department of Historic Resources that we
talked to and we asked about, you know,

727
00:59:13,839 --> 00:59:20,160
what what if we had a barn out there. I
think Mr. Holidayiday asked that

728
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:24,720
question and he said yes, he would allow
barn if it's of the period. And what

729
00:59:22,319 --> 00:59:28,000
that barn would look like is a step back
barn. You've seen you probably I don't

730
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:34,000
know if you have that in your packet.
This is one example that's in there. And

731
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:40,319
here's another example of a stepback
barn, a German Swiss barn. And and if we

732
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:44,799
built that, however, that's just going
to add more parking requirement

733
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:51,920
and the cost of doing that is probably
prohibitive. Uh but I did talk to Mr.

734
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:58,960
McDonald today. And this is a um a
concept of what a an outdoor roofed

735
00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:05,040
timber structure like they have at
Smithfield and at Sandlane. And he said

736
01:00:01,599 --> 01:00:11,119
he'd be happy to entertain this. Uh and
so I think you allow us to to do this

737
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:16,480
which will will again be more conducive
to having 200 people rather than having

738
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:21,920
to add more for that. So,
>> just so everybody sees what that looks

739
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:26,839
like. But he was very, very receptive
today. Meg's going to try to get a

740
01:00:23,359 --> 01:00:26,839
picture for you. Dave,

741
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:31,416
» did the glare bother you? [laughter]

742
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:39,280
» Well, thank you, Mr. Robbins. It sounds
like you're um making progress towards

743
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:41,280
the goals and the planning condition put
on.

744
01:00:39,599 --> 01:00:43,520
» Have been a lot of effort by a lot of
people.

745
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:50,119
» Well, thank you very much. We appreciate
it. Is there anyone else that would like

746
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:50,119
to speak on this particular item?

747
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:59,359
All right, I'll go ahead and close the
public hearing. Um, so as I said, this

748
01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:03,839
is broken into two parts. The first part
is consider the request for a special

749
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:08,480
exception permit to allow an assembly
hall non-residential uses an accessory

750
01:01:06,319 --> 01:01:12,480
structure and non-residential uses out
of doors. This is what the planning

751
01:01:10,319 --> 01:01:16,160
command commission recommended approval.
Do I have a motion?

752
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:19,280
» Yes. I make a motion that we approve the
request for a special exception permit

753
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:24,720
to allow an assembly hall,
non-residential uses in an accessory

754
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:29,680
structure, and non-residential uses out
out of doors for the Preston Place

755
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:31,599
Foundation at Preston Place.
>> Is there a second?

756
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:36,799
» Second.
>> It's been moved and seconded. Is there

757
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:45,440
any discussion on this item?
>> Yes, this is Mayor Turk. My uh concern

758
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:49,760
is doing a limitation of 200 when we
apparently or Preston Place apparently

759
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:56,880
entertained
uh a festival or a gathering already

760
01:01:53,200 --> 01:02:02,319
that had at one point uh I believe 300
people. So why are we capping at 200?

761
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:05,799
Could we consider putting the cap at
maybe 350?

762
01:02:05,839 --> 01:02:11,359
And what would be the problem with doing
that?

763
01:02:08,799 --> 01:02:16,640
» I is I think the condition is on the use
not provided for item. Not not this

764
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:20,200
item, Mayor Turk.
>> Okay. All right.

765
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:29,599
» No more discussion on item D1. Roll
call, please.

766
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:31,040
» Mr. Saunders.
>> I.

767
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:32,720
» Mr. Holidayiday.
>> I.

768
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:33,839
» Mr. Foley. I.
>> Miss Green.

769
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:36,880
» I.
>> Mayor Turk.

770
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:41,839
Hi.
>> All right. Part two, use not provided

771
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:47,440
for permit. Consider the request for a
use not provided for permit for outdoor

772
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:51,359
gatherings of less than 500 people.
Planning commission recommended approval

773
01:02:49,359 --> 01:02:56,799
with conditions.
Do I have a motion on this?

774
01:02:54,079 --> 01:03:02,720
» I move that we approve this uh use not
provided for uh permit with the

775
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:05,680
exceptions off offered up by Mr. Garst
in the planning commission. Is there a

776
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:12,119
second?
>> Second.

777
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:12,119
» All right. Now, we can discuss this. So,

778
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:19,119
» well, if I may, because he's already
stated, I think the issue is in some

779
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:23,680
ways it's it's becomes an issue. If we
allow for more than 200 people, he's

780
01:03:20,799 --> 01:03:27,200
going to need more space by definition.
>> So, I mean, we're creating a bigger

781
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:30,640
problem for him with
>> while allowing more people in theory,

782
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:36,400
right?
But I guess also too now we could come

783
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:40,079
back and change that at a later time and
when it looks like that maybe parking

784
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:46,799
has been accommodated and it looks like
that they're able to handle more then

785
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:48,720
then I guess we could change it at that
point,

786
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:55,359
» right? Yeah.
>> Yeah. I guess the concern is why come

787
01:03:52,240 --> 01:04:02,000
back and change at that point
if you look ahead and look to the future

788
01:03:58,799 --> 01:04:06,960
of what is possible. Uh and I know
you're saying well there aren't enough

789
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:12,000
parking spots for that. Um
you know there are other ways that

790
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:15,520
I don't know. I just I I do not agree
with the 200

791
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:21,839
number because I feel like you're
limiting their ability to to make a go

792
01:04:18,799 --> 01:04:25,200
of things and make it successful by
reducing the number of people that they

793
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:29,039
can allow to attend if there is some
type of paid event where people would

794
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:33,760
would be paying money to come in. Then
that's going to limit Preston Place from

795
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:42,240
being able to
sell more tickets or whatever it is they

796
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:45,599
may have for a specific event. Um,
>> so let me ask you

797
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:51,440
» state what I've and I'll state what I've
stated before. Uh, you know, I think the

798
01:04:48,319 --> 01:04:55,280
one of the first issues we as a council
need to look at when we're looking at

799
01:04:52,799 --> 01:05:00,559
the different ordinances that we have is
the situation with requiring people to

800
01:04:57,359 --> 01:05:06,240
put more paved area in when we're trying
not to have paved areas because uh

801
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:12,720
they're non-permeable surfaces and that
causes more storm water runoff. Um,

802
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:16,640
so hopefully that'll be one of the first
things that that ordinances that we look

803
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:22,319
at
when the time comes.

804
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:27,599
» Well, my question based on on your
question is to either Miss Wines or Mr.

805
01:05:25,039 --> 01:05:34,799
Robbins, is is there a reason that the
200 was chosen

806
01:05:31,839 --> 01:05:40,160
by the planning commission or I mean is
there is it a problem if we increase

807
01:05:37,839 --> 01:05:46,319
that to 350 and does Preston Place
indeed want it at 350?

808
01:05:42,559 --> 01:05:51,680
» The 200 was an extension of what they
thought they wanted to accommodate

809
01:05:48,319 --> 01:05:57,359
originally. Uh the condition of the
overflow parking and traffic plan

810
01:05:54,079 --> 01:06:02,160
approval covers additional numbers uh
from a staff's perspective. They'll have

811
01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:07,839
to accommodate whatever number it is
that they're uh going to offer uh for

812
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:12,640
those events. So we'll have to do that
each for each special event for that

813
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:17,119
large number. So as long as they can
accommodate those numbers, staff does

814
01:06:15,039 --> 01:06:23,440
not have an issue with increasing the
the number of occupants. So they could

815
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:27,685
actually up go up to 500 under the way
this is written as long as they Now I

816
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:30,880
understand you're not going to but the
[clears throat] way this is written as

817
01:06:29,119 --> 01:06:32,960
long as there was an appropriate traffic
plan and

818
01:06:31,599 --> 01:06:38,000
» Yes ma'am that's correct if you don't
limit the numbers. Okay.

819
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:43,520
» Um and that 200 also included employees
and volunteers as well as ticket sales.

820
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:47,599
So that was another reason planning
commission upped it a little bit was to

821
01:06:45,599 --> 01:06:52,880
include those as well. So, so there
would be no requirement to come back

822
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:57,359
according to how it's written right now.
>> If if you did not put that condition and

823
01:06:55,359 --> 01:07:02,400
limit it to 200, then they would not
have to come back before you to have

824
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:05,039
events up to 500 people. They would just
have to supply the parking and traffic

825
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:08,720
plan.
>> Okay.

826
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:13,280
» So, we So, the motion could be made to
approve this without the condition

827
01:07:10,799 --> 01:07:15,599
relating to the maximum of 200 people.
>> Yes, ma'am.

828
01:07:13,839 --> 01:07:17,520
» That would take care of this particular
issue,

829
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:23,599
» right?
Does that sound like something? Um,

830
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:28,480
yeah. Yes. Uh, Mr. Robbins, please come
forward. Thank you.

831
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:33,680
» We did we didn't ask for the 200, but
that's what we feel we could accommodate

832
01:07:31,039 --> 01:07:39,760
uh currently even with the having
additional parking

833
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:44,480
» up the way. However, city when the when
city said we don't want this property

834
01:07:41,839 --> 01:07:48,240
and it came to us to set up a foundation
had the city taken it in you can park in

835
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:52,079
the grass we cannot
>> right

836
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:56,720
» and so there is grass located
conveniently next door that I had

837
01:07:54,880 --> 01:08:03,599
planned to use and I've already talked
to the president of the go mart and he's

838
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:08,640
willing to uh u work with us on that
work a plan but but when I found Right

839
01:08:07,039 --> 01:08:14,400
now I can't park in the grass. So I
didn't go any further down the road. But

840
01:08:11,119 --> 01:08:18,880
were we to park in the grass allow an
exception to for that lot adjoining the

841
01:08:16,799 --> 01:08:24,000
property park in the grass which
wouldn't add any more payment then that

842
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:28,400
would up the numbers to the probably the
350 that the mayor is talking about.

843
01:08:27,199 --> 01:08:32,640
» But that's not before us.
>> I understand that. But all I'm saying is

844
01:08:30,239 --> 01:08:37,359
that option is there. That's my
reasoning if we want to go up to three.

845
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:41,440
I don't see going above 350, but if we
wanted to go up that and not coming

846
01:08:39,199 --> 01:08:46,880
back, if that were to be worked out,
then we wouldn't have to come back again

847
01:08:43,359 --> 01:08:50,719
and ask for that change. And that's all
I'm saying. That's a possibility.

848
01:08:49,839 --> 01:08:54,880
» Okay.
>> But

849
01:08:52,400 --> 01:09:00,080
correct me if I'm wrong, but what we are
looking at today does not include any

850
01:08:56,719 --> 01:09:04,960
parking on the grass. But if the Preston
Place Foundation wanted a larger event

851
01:09:02,799 --> 01:09:09,279
and had an appropriate parking plan and
we removed this condition, that could be

852
01:09:07,359 --> 01:09:11,199
approved by staff.
>> Okay.

853
01:09:10,719 --> 01:09:13,839
» Okay.
>> Does everyone on council understand?

854
01:09:13,440 --> 01:09:18,799
» Yes.
>> Okay. Is is there a motion?

855
01:09:17,279 --> 01:09:20,640
» Well, there was a motion in a second
forward.

856
01:09:19,759 --> 01:09:24,960
» Right. There is a motion.
>> We have to amend that motion. All right.

857
01:09:23,759 --> 01:09:29,120
» I'm not amending my motion.
>> Okay. I All right. I'll make a motion

858
01:09:27,279 --> 01:09:33,040
that we
>> Okay.

859
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:37,839
» Yes, we do have to vote on this motion.
>> Okay. All right. That's right.

860
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:41,040
» All right. V roll call on the motion as
currently proposed by Mr. Foley.

861
01:09:40,257 --> 01:09:43,359
[laughter]
>> Mr. Saunders.

862
01:09:42,159 --> 01:09:48,880
» Mr. F.
>> Whoa. Whoa. Mr. Foley, please restate

863
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:52,560
the motion. I couldn't hear.
>> There was too much talking going on. Mr.

864
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:59,600
Foley, could you please restate?
>> He's going to. I move that we approve

865
01:09:54,800 --> 01:10:03,520
the permit for pro uh sorry I'm looking
for the language use not provided for

866
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:07,920
with the four conditions that were
approved by the planning commission one

867
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:12,080
of which includes the limit to 200
attendees.

868
01:10:10,239 --> 01:10:13,920
» So that's what was moved and seconded.
>> Thank you and that's what we're voting

869
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:17,760
on.
>> Yeah. So the point

870
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:21,520
» updated a site I sorry I got it now. So
my I stand by my motion for the

871
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:25,520
approving the permit for use not
provided for. It includes an updated

872
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:28,880
site plan shall be submitted for review
illustrating both the existing parking

873
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:32,640
configuration and proposed parking lot
expansion. Any future site development

874
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:36,480
shall require submission and approval of
an amended site plan. The existing

875
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:40,640
brownstone parking service shall be
properly maintained through the removal

876
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:44,480
of grass, weeds, and other vegetation.
Routine maintenance shall preserve the

877
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:48,560
approved brownstone surface and standard
gravel shall not be substituted because

878
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:52,800
the city's standard parking requirements
do not apply to a use not provided for

879
01:10:50,480 --> 01:10:56,080
permit. A parking overflow and traffic
management plan together with any

880
01:10:54,400 --> 01:11:00,080
supporting documentation including
parking agreements or property owner

881
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:04,080
authorizations shall be submitted to and
approved by the city prior to the

882
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:08,480
operation of any special event. And then
total occupancy on the property at any

883
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:14,480
one time shall be limited to 200 persons
including attendees, staff, vendors,

884
01:11:10,480 --> 01:11:17,040
volunteers, and participants.
And that was seconded by Mr. Holiday

885
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:21,760
previously.
>> Correct.

886
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:24,480
Roll call vote, please.
>> Mr. Saunders.

887
01:11:23,679 --> 01:11:26,640
» Hi.
>> Mr. Holidayiday.

888
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:28,000
» Nay.
>> Nay.

889
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:31,760
» Mr. Foley.
>> I.

890
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:34,880
» Miss. Green.
>> Nay.

891
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:37,880
» Mayor Turk.
>> Nay.

892
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:49,080
» So, the motion has um failed.
Is there a second motion?

893
01:11:51,840 --> 01:12:00,719
Yes. I make a motion that
that we consider the request for the use

894
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:05,080
not provided for permit for outdoor
gatherings of

895
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:09,360
» Go on. I was just going to give you the
conditions because you want to get rid

896
01:12:08,480 --> 01:12:12,159
of number four,
>> right?

897
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:18,159
» With the removal.
>> Okay. I make a motion that

898
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:23,840
we consider the request with the
following conditions as recommended by

899
01:12:20,239 --> 01:12:28,239
the planning commission. Uh an updated
site plan shall be submitted for review

900
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:32,400
illustrating both the existing parking
configuration and the proposed parking

901
01:12:30,239 --> 01:12:36,880
lot expansion. Any future site
development shall require submission

902
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:40,800
approval of the amended site plan. The
existing brownstone parking surface

903
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:44,800
shall be properly maintained through
removal of grass, weeds, and other

904
01:12:42,480 --> 01:12:49,040
vegetation. Routine maintenance shall
preserve the approved brownstone surface

905
01:12:46,719 --> 01:12:54,800
and standard gravel shall not be
substituted because the city standard

906
01:12:52,239 --> 01:12:59,600
parking requirements do not apply to the
to a use not provided for permit. A

907
01:12:57,679 --> 01:13:03,520
parking overflow and traffic management
plan together with any supporting

908
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:08,719
documentation including parking
agreements of or property owner

909
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:14,000
authorization shall be submitted to and
approved by the city prior to the

910
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:19,840
operation of any special event and total
occupancy on the property at any one

911
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:25,199
time shall be limited to 500 persons
including attendees.

912
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:29,679
» Oh no. Okay, I'm sorry. Total occupancy
on the property at any one time shall be

913
01:13:27,679 --> 01:13:32,640
limited to 200 persons including
attendees, staff, vendors, volunteers,

914
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:37,520
and participants.
>> But you want to you want to remove that.

915
01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:40,640
So you want your motion includes
conditions one, two, and three from the

916
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:42,800
planning commission.
>> Okay.

917
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:47,159
» All right.
>> Is there a second to that motion?

918
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:52,600
» Second.
>> Any discussion?

919
01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:57,360
Roll call, please.
>> So, just to be clear, you're you're

920
01:13:55,679 --> 01:14:01,280
going to 500
>> from 200, not 350. You're going because

921
01:13:59,199 --> 01:14:04,640
you you just went to 500.
>> Well, it has to be 500 or under. Yes.

922
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:10,239
» Yes. Yeah. That's
>> because Right.

923
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:12,640
» Thank you.
>> It's been moved and seconded. Roll call,

924
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:16,719
please.
>> Mr. Saunders.

925
01:14:15,679 --> 01:14:18,320
» Uh,
>> Mr. Holiday.

926
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:22,640
» I.
>> Mr. Foley.

927
01:14:19,199 --> 01:14:25,840
» No. Due only to Delta, the fourth item.
Right,

928
01:14:24,719 --> 01:14:29,040
» Miss Green
>> I.

929
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:34,400
» Mayor Turk
>> I

930
01:14:30,719 --> 01:14:39,280
» All right, that motion has passed.
Does this the staff does understand?

931
01:14:36,480 --> 01:14:46,320
Okay, great. [laughter]
>> Thank you very much.

932
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:53,520
All right, that moves us to item E,
resolution authorizing a referendum.

933
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:59,760
Consider adoption of resolution 1535
authorizing a referendum on a not to

934
01:14:55,920 --> 01:15:05,120
exceed 1% general's retail sales and use
tax used solely for capital projects for

935
01:15:02,719 --> 01:15:11,840
new construction and major renovation of
Salem City schools. Mr. Dorsy,

936
01:15:08,719 --> 01:15:16,159
» thank you, Vice Mayor. Um on July 1st,
the general assembly um enacted their

937
01:15:14,159 --> 01:15:20,320
bianual budget and appropriation
legislation

938
01:15:17,679 --> 01:15:24,239
uh which the amendments put in there.
I'll put it in English. the fact that

939
01:15:22,239 --> 01:15:30,719
any governing body of any county or city
can levy a general retail sales and use

940
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:34,960
tax at a rate not to exceed 1%
provided that it's used it's approved by

941
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:41,040
referendum as you said and can only be
used for new construction or major

942
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:45,679
renovations of the schools. Uh it can't
be used for past debt. Um it can't be

943
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:52,080
used for smaller, you know, capital
items. It's literally construction and

944
01:15:48,480 --> 01:15:55,600
major renovation for this. And uh
Superintendent Curtis Hicks is here too

945
01:15:53,679 --> 01:16:00,560
if you'd like to say say a couple things
real quick if that's fine.

946
01:15:57,120 --> 01:16:05,040
» So I came to Salem in 2007. Um so that
was almost 20 years ago and two major

947
01:16:03,199 --> 01:16:08,960
renovations that occurred before that GW
Carver Andrew Lewis. Since then we've

948
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:13,360
done South Salem and the high school. So
the two properties that that continue to

949
01:16:11,199 --> 01:16:17,920
need major renovation or additions would
be East Salem, West Salem. Uh when we

950
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:20,880
completed the high school, we thought we
were going to have some debt free up um

951
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:23,679
short I think it was either Carver or
Andrew Lewis was coming off debt, but

952
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:27,679
the way that debt was structured for the
high school, that debt just kind of

953
01:16:25,440 --> 01:16:31,840
rolled on and replaced it. So one of the
issues right now is we don't have any

954
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:36,880
really um capacity where debt is
concerned until 2034. Um so those two

955
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:40,000
schools we they're in good shape. I
think the city does a great job of

956
01:16:38,159 --> 01:16:43,440
maintaining those facilities. you know,
the agreement we have with the city with

957
01:16:41,440 --> 01:16:46,560
the opportunity to to hold on to any
funds that we don't use annually and

958
01:16:45,199 --> 01:16:50,480
apply those to capital improvement
projects. I think our schools are in

959
01:16:48,159 --> 01:16:54,960
great shape. But those two schools, I
think it's pretty clear to everybody are

960
01:16:51,840 --> 01:17:00,000
are could do a major renovation and and
depending on uh the Hope Tree project,

961
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:05,520
uh the Newman Drive project, and how
that impacts enrollment, those two

962
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:09,199
schools might possibly even need um some
sort of an addition. So, just wanted to

963
01:17:07,679 --> 01:17:13,040
answer any questions you guys had if you
had any about, you know, the current

964
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:16,480
state of the schools.
>> You have any questions for

965
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:20,719
Superintendent Hicks? I I I kind I did
um on projected enrollments, I guess,

966
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:26,480
and you're talking about whatever
happens at Hope Tree and other future

967
01:17:22,480 --> 01:17:30,320
developments, but I guess would there be
a would there be a time where possibly

968
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:35,280
we would consider closing one of the
elementary schools or combining two

969
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:41,920
schools where uh we wouldn't need to
have the schools that we have right now?

970
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:45,520
» From a community perspective, I don't
think there'd be much appetite for that.

971
01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:50,400
personally uh based on what I know of
Salem City Schools and I also think from

972
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:54,080
a size perspective uh having all four
schools be similarly sized I think there

973
01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:59,360
are a lot of benefits to that in terms
of the programs that are available to

974
01:17:56,080 --> 01:18:03,600
students the the availability of staff
um I just I think we have a really good

975
01:18:01,440 --> 01:18:08,480
structure I think if funding down the
road if if it were determined that one

976
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:12,560
of those facilities was not safe or
couldn't be renovated to the degree to

977
01:18:10,159 --> 01:18:16,239
bring it up to modern-day standards I
think maybe then you would start to

978
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:19,360
entertain a conversation about that. But
but currently I don't think that's

979
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:22,320
something that that there'd be a whole
lot of appetite to consider.

980
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:24,800
» Okay.
>> Any other questions for the

981
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:25,679
superintendent?
>> Thank you.

982
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:31,040
» Thank you.
>> Yep.

983
01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:35,920
» And and with that, um we we mentioned
the fact that if if you decided that you

984
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:40,320
want to put this out for referendum, the
referendum would say up to 1%. But that

985
01:18:38,239 --> 01:18:45,520
means if it passes, you don't have to do
1%. you could do a half a percent or

986
01:18:43,199 --> 01:18:48,880
whatever. You know, if if it passed and
the appetite was there, we'd get with

987
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:52,239
Superintendent Hicks and find out his
long-term capital improvement plan and

988
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:55,840
how much money is really needed to fund
that and not try to overt tax

989
01:18:54,880 --> 01:19:02,080
» just to do that.
>> To do actually a study in October of

990
01:18:58,480 --> 01:19:06,320
this year, RRMM, our architecture
group, is planning to do a study, a

991
01:19:04,239 --> 01:19:11,840
facility study this October. So, we
potentially would have that available

992
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:16,880
right after if it passed. Has staff
crunched the numbers u on on like

993
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:20,840
actuals this year or from last year what
that would generate just hypothetically

994
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:25,520
» m Jordan hasn't spoken
>> hypothetically

995
01:19:24,525 --> 01:19:28,159
[laughter]
a

996
01:19:25,679 --> 01:19:34,560
» lot of unknowns I know based on what we
know at this point in time we are

997
01:19:30,159 --> 01:19:39,760
thinking we if we were looking at 1% we
would be in the neighborhood of about $7

998
01:19:36,239 --> 01:19:45,120
million a year from the sales tax to be
used toward for, as he said, major

999
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:51,440
renovations, capital projects, or debt,
bond, loan cost of a borrowing if that's

1000
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:54,640
what was needed for an expansion.
>> And this goes till 2046.

1001
01:19:53,679 --> 01:19:57,760
» Is it 20-year?
>> That's when it sunsets.

1002
01:19:55,600 --> 01:20:03,920
» It sunsets. Yes, sir.
Is there a if if we voted to approve the

1003
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:08,480
referendum and it were approved by the
citizens, is there anything at the

1004
01:20:06,159 --> 01:20:15,280
moment that limits implementation? Could
it be delayed five years? I even though

1005
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:18,945
it passes in 26 referendum I do not have
a law degree. [laughter]

1006
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:24,000
» Well, I mean is there any lang I
seriously is there any lang is there any

1007
01:20:22,239 --> 01:20:30,800
language in there about it?
>> There's [clears throat] no limit in that

1008
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:35,600
regard. Um uh and and I think uh
you know the up to 1%

1009
01:20:33,440 --> 01:20:38,560
takes care of that because you can I
mean you could do a tenth of a percent

1010
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:43,600
or something if you had to just to keep
it going if anything like that changed.

1011
01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:47,600
The um the concern I think most people
have had in this is the fact that it was

1012
01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:53,760
amended as part of the budget and that's
a two-year deal and it's not really

1013
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:57,280
clear um if you don't do it that you can
do it sometime in the future. So you

1014
01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:59,679
need to get the you at least the
referendum

1015
01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:03,120
» you need to have the referendum done for
that reason. The other thing that I

1016
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:07,920
heard pointed out in a meeting the other
week that I thought was interesting was

1017
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:14,320
uh to the extent that the school budget
includes capital that we fund, you can

1018
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:18,640
fund that capital with uh the the
referendum pro, you know, with the

1019
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:22,880
proceeds of the one 1% sales tax doesn't
have to be used immediately. So that

1020
01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:25,679
» correct current debt,
>> right? No, not for current debt. you

1021
01:21:24,480 --> 01:21:32,080
can't use.
>> But the point that was made was this is

1022
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:35,840
not going to be on necessarily on top of
your real estate tax to cover capital

1023
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:38,560
because what you'll be able to do is
you're not going to have to worry about

1024
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:44,239
the capital because you're going to be
having it taken care of with the 1%.

1025
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:49,920
not, you know, so you might not, it
might save you raising real estate tax

1026
01:21:46,719 --> 01:21:54,560
maybe a penny or two in the future based
on uh the fact that you're going to be

1027
01:21:51,760 --> 01:22:00,480
covering the capital with the 1%. So
there are it's not necessarily an

1028
01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:06,440
addition.
I mean, it probably is, but it's not but

1029
01:22:02,159 --> 01:22:06,440
it may not be as big as you think it is.

1030
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:09,800
Okay.

1031
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:17,840
I mean, I personally have a problem with
with raising taxes uh

1032
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:22,880
uh with the potential to raise raise
taxes

1033
01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:27,760
uh of at least 1%. I think with with the
with the fees that we've got scheduled

1034
01:22:24,719 --> 01:22:34,000
and uh
and and everything else that is that is

1035
01:22:30,719 --> 01:22:39,920
that's coming down the pike, I I I don't
want to

1036
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:47,520
to put an additional 1% tax on on uh on
retail sales um at this point in time.

1037
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:53,120
Me personally, so that's how I feel.
I think that sales taxes are incredibly

1038
01:22:50,639 --> 01:22:58,239
regressive. And even though this would
not apply to food and personal hygiene

1039
01:22:55,600 --> 01:23:05,120
products, it would still apply to other
things that everyone has to buy such as

1040
01:23:00,480 --> 01:23:10,719
clothing, tires, cleaning supplies, etc.
And and that concerns me. I also see

1041
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:16,000
this as a way that the general assembly
has given us the ability to tax our

1042
01:23:13,440 --> 01:23:18,719
citizens so that they don't have to.
Exactly.

1043
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:23,520
» And uh I think they're abdicating their
responsibility for school construction.

1044
01:23:21,199 --> 01:23:28,159
It um it bothers me also, as much as
that may surprise you. [laughter]

1045
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:33,199
» Well, thank you.
>> However, be a contrarian. Um we're just

1046
01:23:31,440 --> 01:23:37,120
presenting it to the people to decide if
they want to be taxed. We're not saying

1047
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:40,880
you're going to be taxed 1% or a half a
percent or tenth of a percent. We're

1048
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:47,440
simply saying we're going to put it on
the the the ballot and let the voters

1049
01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:51,040
decide if they want to be taxed 1% or
and and then also I would go on to say

1050
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:56,960
yes it is regressive but the one thing
about sales tax it's not all our

1051
01:23:54,239 --> 01:24:03,040
citizens paying those taxes right we
have visitors to the town so the city um

1052
01:23:59,920 --> 01:24:07,600
so unlike property tax which is our real
estate which is all of our citizens so I

1053
01:24:05,440 --> 01:24:12,000
just think it's uh I I don't see
anything wrong with giving

1054
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:17,520
the uh the citizenry that opportunity to
make that decision on their own.

1055
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:20,560
» I think it is complicated though. Sorry.
And I think it's going to be difficult

1056
01:24:19,199 --> 01:24:24,080
already. Some of the stuff we've
discussed, it's going to be hard to

1057
01:24:21,679 --> 01:24:26,560
communicate that to voters about doesn't
have to start. You can do this, you can

1058
01:24:25,440 --> 01:24:31,520
do that. So,
>> but but I think voters don't,

1059
01:24:29,440 --> 01:24:35,440
» you know, people say that they look at
it and say, "Well, this is going for

1060
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:38,880
schools, so let's just vote for it." but
they don't understand the ramifications

1061
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:44,719
of of how that can affect their
pocketbook every month, every week, and

1062
01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:48,239
and until it actually happens and then
then they realize, oh, well, this is

1063
01:24:46,239 --> 01:24:53,040
what I voted for, but I didn't realize
it was going to affect me the way that

1064
01:24:49,679 --> 01:24:56,400
it is. So, uh, this is something that I
don't support at this time, but we can

1065
01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:59,760
we can
>> Well, then yeah, you could also argue

1066
01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:03,920
that in three years you're going to have
to raise the property taxes for four

1067
01:25:02,239 --> 01:25:06,800
pennies to pay for the new school we're
going to need. So, I mean, you can go

1068
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:10,719
back and forth on that. I mean,
>> we can we can, so

1069
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:14,239
» part of the reason
>> Sorry, go on.

1070
01:25:11,440 --> 01:25:25,280
» Yes. I think part of the reason why they
put a limit on 1% is so that it would

1071
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:33,840
not be that much of of a uh oppressive
uh tax on the people when you're talking

1072
01:25:28,159 --> 01:25:41,760
1% of what's being sold that it's it's a
good limit. It's a very small amount and

1073
01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:47,120
I like letting our citizens make the
final decision that let them have the

1074
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:54,840
opportunity
to decide.

1075
01:25:50,159 --> 01:25:54,840
» Mr. Saunders, do you have any comments?

1076
01:25:55,440 --> 01:26:05,199
» I just uh flat don't like
the tax itself.

1077
01:26:01,679 --> 01:26:12,440
I can see years down the road, General
Assembly suddenly changing that 1% tax

1078
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:12,440
into something else.

1079
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:22,080
And since it's already there, it's a lot
easier to do.

1080
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:27,920
So, no, I'm not in favor of any sales
tax increase. But I mean we we said this

1081
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:33,679
I mean we've we lowered the real estate
tax 2 cents but actually that actually

1082
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:41,120
real estate
uh property taxes went up because the

1083
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:47,679
home values increased what was it 8% or
so there really wasn't uh any net gain

1084
01:26:45,280 --> 01:26:55,280
to the citizens their their their bills
still went up and and so I don't uh

1085
01:26:52,320 --> 01:27:00,239
again I at this point in time, I I don't
support raising it having even having it

1086
01:26:58,239 --> 01:27:06,560
on as a referendum and letting the
people decide. I don't think that the

1087
01:27:02,480 --> 01:27:10,159
public will some people just won't think
it through and until it actually happens

1088
01:27:08,719 --> 01:27:16,239
and and then they actually see it in
their pocketbook every every month. So,

1089
01:27:13,199 --> 01:27:20,560
um I think what uh Vice Mayor Green said
about, you know, the state is trying to

1090
01:27:18,480 --> 01:27:25,840
pass this off to the localities, I agree
with that comment and and I think we

1091
01:27:23,199 --> 01:27:29,120
should, you know, proceed accordingly.
So,

1092
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:35,679
» and I think another point at least in my
experience with referenda

1093
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:40,960
um the someone needs to provide
information to the citizens about what

1094
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:48,239
they are voting on and that generally
would fall to the local government. So,

1095
01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:53,280
it involves a cost and staff time and
then making very sure that what is being

1096
01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:58,719
prepared is entirely factual, not
persuasive one way or another. And I I

1097
01:27:56,800 --> 01:28:07,040
have been involved in that and and that
is not an easy proposition either.

1098
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:14,080
» And we have to remember that the
situation we we did not raise we did not

1099
01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:20,719
raise real estate. The value of the
homes went up. So the amount paid went

1100
01:28:17,199 --> 01:28:26,080
up but we reduced it by 4%.
And if we have a situation that the

1101
01:28:23,280 --> 01:28:33,840
citizens if they agree that it's okay
for the 1% then that 1% is something

1102
01:28:30,159 --> 01:28:41,040
that will not have to be paid by the
city. The money would be I guess what

1103
01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:44,880
I'm trying to say is the uh repair of
streets and the other types of

1104
01:28:42,480 --> 01:28:52,159
infrastructure that the city needs to
have done uh would benefit from that.

1105
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:58,639
We'd be able to do more if that tax were
restricted, the 1% restricted solely for

1106
01:28:55,360 --> 01:29:06,000
school renovation and school additions
or rebuilding. So remember, we went down

1107
01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:11,920
4% 4%.
And if if there is if the citizens agree

1108
01:29:08,719 --> 01:29:16,800
to a 1% then that amount of money gets
allocated strictly to schools and then

1109
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:20,880
the the funds that we normally would
possibly have to be given the schools

1110
01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:23,880
could be used for other infrastructure
improvements.

1111
01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:31,400
» Is there are there any other comments
before I ask for a motion?

1112
01:29:32,239 --> 01:29:39,840
» Is there a motion on this item? I move
that we approve resolution 1535

1113
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:44,960
authorizing a referendum on a not to
exceed 1% general retail sales and use

1114
01:29:42,480 --> 01:29:51,360
tax used solely for capital projects for
new construction and major renovation of

1115
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:55,600
Salem City schools.
>> Is there a second?

1116
01:29:53,679 --> 01:29:59,400
» I second it.
>> Any further discussion?

1117
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:04,639
» Roll call vote, please.
>> Mr. Saunders.

1118
01:30:03,679 --> 01:30:06,320
Nay
>> Mr. Holidayiday

1119
01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:08,000
» nay
>> Mr. Foley

1120
01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:09,760
» I
>> Miss Green

1121
01:30:08,960 --> 01:30:12,880
» nay.
>> Mayor Turk

1122
01:30:11,679 --> 01:30:17,360
» I
>> the resolution authorizing the

1123
01:30:15,120 --> 01:30:24,880
resolution sorry the resolution
authorize a referendum has failed.

1124
01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:28,400
Item F, Salem City School Board.
Consider setting the date for a public

1125
01:30:26,719 --> 01:30:34,080
hearing in accordance with section
22.1-29.1

1126
01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:37,520
of the code of Virginia 1950 as amended
regarding the consideration of

1127
01:30:35,679 --> 01:30:42,880
applicants for the school board term
expiring December 31, 2026 of Mesel

1128
01:30:41,360 --> 01:30:48,719
Janosca.
Um the suggested date is September 14th,

1129
01:30:46,080 --> 01:30:51,760
2026.
Mr. light. Would you like to explain

1130
01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:55,120
this to us?
>> Yes, ma'am. The Code of Virginia

1131
01:30:53,600 --> 01:31:01,520
requires council to have a public
hearing um at least 7 days prior to uh

1132
01:30:58,639 --> 01:31:05,840
naming a school board member. Um and at
that public hearing, anyone who might be

1133
01:31:03,679 --> 01:31:09,040
named later or appointed later, their
name must be read at that public

1134
01:31:07,679 --> 01:31:12,320
hearing. That doesn't mean they have to
come speak at the public hearing, but

1135
01:31:10,159 --> 01:31:16,159
their name has to be read. So if you all
are amendable to Sep September 14th, we

1136
01:31:14,719 --> 01:31:19,920
would ask you to set that public hearing
date and direct staff to provide public

1137
01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:24,400
notice and accept letters of interest
and resumes from interested applicants

1138
01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:25,920
for naming at this public hearing.
>> Thank you.

1139
01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:30,880
» Yes, ma'am.
>> Do we have a motion?

1140
01:31:29,120 --> 01:31:33,280
» Do we need to vote on this or just we
just approve it?

1141
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:37,760
» We voted on it in the past.
>> Okay. I move that we approve September

1142
01:31:35,199 --> 01:31:40,800
14th as the date for new school board
candidates in 2026.

1143
01:31:39,280 --> 01:31:43,760
» Second.
Roll call, please.

1144
01:31:42,159 --> 01:31:45,199
» Mr. Saunders,
>> I.

1145
01:31:44,239 --> 01:31:46,400
» Mr. Holidayiday,
>> I.

1146
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:47,600
» Mr. Foley,
>> I.

1147
01:31:46,800 --> 01:31:49,920
» Miss Green,
>> I.

1148
01:31:48,080 --> 01:31:54,000
» Mayor Turk,
>> I.

1149
01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:58,239
» Item G, appropriation of funds, consider
a request to amend the school operating

1150
01:31:56,239 --> 01:32:05,280
fund budget as approved by the school
board on July 14th, 2026. Mr. Foley.

1151
01:32:02,639 --> 01:32:09,679
» Thank you. At their July 14th, 2026
meeting, the school board amended the

1152
01:32:06,639 --> 01:32:14,800
fiscal year 202627 school operating fund
budget to increase revenues and

1153
01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:18,400
expenditures by 1,70,180
as outlined in the council report

1154
01:32:16,320 --> 01:32:22,320
included in the agenda. This amendment
was needed because the state did not

1155
01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:26,960
approve their FY27 budget until June
29th, 2026. I motion approval of the

1156
01:32:25,040 --> 01:32:30,719
schoolboard amendment to their operating
fund budget for fiscal year 2027.

1157
01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:36,400
» Is there a second?
>> Second. Any discussion?

1158
01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:38,560
Roll call vote, please.
>> Mr. Saunders,

1159
01:32:38,080 --> 01:32:40,080
» I.
>> Mr. Holiday,

1160
01:32:39,520 --> 01:32:41,360
» I.
>> Mr. Foley,

1161
01:32:40,880 --> 01:32:42,560
» I.
>> Miss Green,

1162
01:32:42,080 --> 01:32:45,600
» I.
>> Mayor Turk,

1163
01:32:44,320 --> 01:32:50,400
» I.
>> Item H, appropriation of funds. Consider

1164
01:32:48,080 --> 01:32:55,840
a request to transfer unallocated
capital reserve for fiscal year 2027

1165
01:32:53,280 --> 01:32:58,960
capital improvement plan projects. Mr.
Foley.

1166
01:32:56,480 --> 01:33:03,440
» Thank you. The fiscal year 2027 budget
was adopted on May 11th, 2026, which

1167
01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:07,440
included four projects to be funded by
capital reserves. Tonight's action will

1168
01:33:05,440 --> 01:33:11,440
authorize the city manager to transfer
the funds for these approved capital

1169
01:33:09,040 --> 01:33:15,760
improvement plan items into specific
projects account within the capital

1170
01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:20,719
reserve fund. Projects include storm
water drain at Kerry Avenue for 850,000,

1171
01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:27,480
storm drain at Market Street and Clay
Street for $750,000, police vehicle

1172
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:27,480
replacement of $523,249,

1173
01:33:27,520 --> 01:33:32,880
and front load dumpster truck for
$452,000.

1174
01:33:31,199 --> 01:33:36,520
I motion approval for the city manager
to transfer $2,575,249

1175
01:33:37,120 --> 01:33:43,440
from the capital reserve account to the
specific project accounts with an

1176
01:33:40,639 --> 01:33:47,280
effective date of July 1, 2027 in
conjunction with the fiscal year 2027

1177
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:50,239
budget as specified in the council
report included in the agenda.

1178
01:33:49,440 --> 01:33:54,159
» Is there a second?
>> Second.

1179
01:33:51,440 --> 01:33:57,040
» Any discussion on this item?
>> Roll call, please.

1180
01:33:54,960 --> 01:34:00,159
» I I I caught that reading it. It's the
wrong date, isn't it?

1181
01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:06,000
» 26, not 27.
>> Yes. 20 fiscal year 27 July 1st 20 26

1182
01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:09,280
» right but okay I'm reading from
documents when I read it apologize I

1183
01:34:08,480 --> 01:34:12,000
gave you that's all right that's all
right [laughter] let me make that motion

1184
01:34:10,480 --> 01:34:16,840
again for clarification I motion
approval for the city manager to

1185
01:34:13,199 --> 01:34:16,840
transfer 2,575,249

1186
01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:23,440
from the capital reserve account to the
specific projects account with an

1187
01:34:20,480 --> 01:34:27,679
effective date of July 1, 2026 in
conjunction with the fiscal year 2027

1188
01:34:25,679 --> 01:34:29,600
budget as specified in the council
report included in the agenda. There you

1189
01:34:29,440 --> 01:34:31,440
go.
>> Do you still second?

1190
01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:34,320
» Second. [laughter]
>> Thank you.

1191
01:34:33,280 --> 01:34:36,400
» Roll call, please.
>> Mr. Saunders.

1192
01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:37,760
» Hi.
>> Mr. Holiday.

1193
01:34:37,199 --> 01:34:39,040
» Hi.
>> Mr. Foley.

1194
01:34:38,560 --> 01:34:40,159
» Hi.
>> Miss Green.

1195
01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:44,239
» I.
>> Mayor Turk.

1196
01:34:41,920 --> 01:34:48,239
» I.
>> Thank you. Is there any other

1197
01:34:45,920 --> 01:34:52,320
information we need to have before us
this evening or share?

1198
01:34:50,639 --> 01:34:55,719
Thank you everyone for your time. This
meeting is adjourned.