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» Okay, welcome everyone to the a August
25th, 2026 city council work session

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meeting. Our meetings are public and
you're welcome to join us in person or

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by watching from the council agenda
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Uh we hope you continue to join us in
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comfortable.
This is a work session meeting during

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which there is not public comment. You
can join us tonight at 7 p.m. for our

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formal meeting to share your comments.
We of course uh are welcome public

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feedback anytime. Uh and you can send us
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145476,
Salt Lake City, Utah 84114.

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um by email also uh council.
commentsc.gov

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or you can call 24-hour phone line uh
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Comments we receive on agenda topics are
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posted in our website. Uh you can visit
that at slc.gov/consel.

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Our first agenda item is an ordinance
for a zoning map amendment at

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approximately 2025 and 2020 2075 west,
2670 north and 2620 north, 2200 west. Uh

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we're going to welcome at the table Nick
Tarvet, council deputy director, Erin

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Barlo, senior planner, and Alicia Silly,
principal planner. Nick.

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» Uh thank you, Mr. Chair. I won't repeat
the address of where you just announced

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the reszone's going to be considered.
>> Um I will let you know the applicant is

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here. He would like to talk with you
after the presentation from planning

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staff.
>> And um with that I'll let you guys go.

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» Thank you. Good afternoon council. Um I
am Alicia Cely and this is Aaron Barlo.

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We've been the planners processing this
application. Um again, yeah, this is for

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a zoning map amendment from AG2
agricultural zone to M1A, which is the

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North Point specific light industrial
district.

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» Next slide, please.
>> Okay. Um this request includes three

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properties um that you see up here on
the screen. 2670 North, 2200 West um is

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this long skinny one um on the west of
this map. and then 2075 west 2670 north

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and 2025 west 2670 north um are east
here um abuing the north 215 freeway um

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these three properties are all currently
zoned AG2 which is agricultural um and

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the applicant is proposing to reszone
them to M1A North Point light industrial

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um and these all fall in the North Point
small area plan next slide

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Okay. Um the purpose of this reszone is
for future light industrial use. There

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are no um specific development plans or
a specific tenant um wishing to build on

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the site at this time. Um
however, the planning staff is

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recommending approval with conditions.
Um [snorts] and then the planning

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commission recommended denial which we
will get into um later in this

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presentation. Next slide.
Okay, just to be really clear about um

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what is here and what the proposal is.
So the property facing 2200 West here

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labeled A on this diagram is currently a
single family home. Um the proposal

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would be to remove this home to provide
access to the future development. Um so

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to provide an access road to the larger
two properties and avoid using the uh

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2670 north road and then BNC
um are very similar. There's nothing

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developed on these properties right now.
They've been used as um grazing pasture

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land previously. Um and these are both
proposed as the future site for light

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industrial development. Next slide.
Okay. Okay. As far as the neighborhood

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context, the surrounding properties um
are largely characterized by very low

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density residential development and um
as well as agricultural uses. However,

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the site the um broader site and broader
neighborhood has a lot of new industrial

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uses coming in um such as the warehouse
that you can see in some of these photos

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across 2200 West. Next slide.
Okay. And um the zoning district

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comparison M1A has similar height
requirements um to the existing AG2

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district. Um it has some additional
design requirements such as setting back

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um new buildings in M1A from principal
residential structures on abuing

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properties. There is no minimum lot
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There are some additional landscaping
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mitigate the impacts of future light
industrial use um as well as additional

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design standards. Next slide.

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Um and then M1A allows for um quite a
few additional uses that are not

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currently permitted in the AG2 zone. Um
these are all detailed in the staff

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report but some of the highlights um are
here and mainly these are along the

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lines of light manufacturing light
industrial uses. Next slide.

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Um I won't spend a lot of time here but
the proposal to reszone these properties

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to M1A is in line with plan Salt Lake
and the North Point small area plan. um

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and planning staff's determination is
that the proposal does um comply with

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the goals of these plans. Next slide.
So like Alicia was saying, this proposal

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aligns with the plan, the North Point
area plan. And specifically in the V

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vision map, it calls for a transitional
area here that has the diagonal hatched

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yellow lines on the map. an area that is
meant to transition from the current

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agricultural uses to a more light
industrial use that you see popping up

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in this area. And many of the properties
in this area have already been reszoned

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to that light manufacturing zone. And
the M1A zoning district was developed

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specifically for this area of the
transition from a to light industrial.

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Next slide, please.
Uh we did receive quite a few comments

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from the neighbors and the public. They
were primarily concerned about the use

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of that 2670 North Street which is runs
along the north part of this property. A

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lot of homes use it as their primary
point of access. They're worried about

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noise, visual impacts, the typical
things that come out of light industrial

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use. And the applicant uh took these
comments and came forward with some um

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ideas to kind of mitigate those things.
So, next slide.

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Uh the applicant with their community
benefit said, you know, because we're

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worried neighbors worried about noise,
visual impacts, access, things like

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that. Uh they proposed
uh additional screening and uh

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mitigation beyond what is specifically
required by the M1A zoning district

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because of this property's proximity to
other residential uses. So that includes

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additional tree planting in the way that
you can see illustrated there with the

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juniper trees. Uh stone wall uh fencing
along the property lines that are shared

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with residential uses. Uh there would be
no storage yards or parking areas near

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the neighboring houses. There would be a
much larger gap than required by the M1A

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zoning district. And then there would be
no access on that 2670 North Street,

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only on that strip of land that was
purchased from uh a family that were

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actually going through the same process
until they were approached by this

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applicant to reszone their property. Uh
next slide, please.

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So at the planning commission, uh they
forwarded a negative recommendation. The

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central concern, really the only concern
was regarding data centers that are

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permitted in this district. Data centers
do have a few requirements within this

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M1A zoning district. They need to be in
a a closed loop cooling system. But if

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the uh council wishes to go, you know, a
different way than the planning

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commission recommended, they are welcome
to add a condition to prohibit data

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centers on the site. Uh next slide,
please.

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So staff's recommendation if the
commission if the council does decide

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they do choose to approve this request
we ask that they uh keep the conditions

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that staff recommended to the planning
commission as well as um that as an

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option the data center proh prohibition
as well.

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So the next slide I believe that's the
end of our presentation and we're happy

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to go through things but I think the
applicant also wanted to present

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» Are we going to hear from the developer
too or just

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» I mean we we don't we we can
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» you have questions for the developer
directly or do you have

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» no mostly mostly just comments. I had
the chance to speak with this developer

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like planning told us this conforms with
what we expect to happen and the

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developer assured me not only are they
asking for nothing that varies from the

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M1A zone that was innovative innovated
for the place out there there's no

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riparian considerations because it's far
enough away from there so we don't have

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that element of concern and when I spoke
with the developer the developer was

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able to tell me the name of not only the
people from whom they bought the house

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which was impressive but then also So
the neighbors across the way who are

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some of our neighbors who need the
protection who have lived through the

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hellscape that has been the development
of the million square foot warehouse out

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there they were willing to concede
additional protections in alignment with

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what that family preferred. So, as we
move forward on this, I'm finding it

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difficult to um say you can't do what we
told you we expected would be done with

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a developer that is willing to not only
conform to what we said, but is willing

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to give us additional um concessions
like formalizing that a data center will

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not be a use that is out there even
though once again letting our

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constituency know that is not a
permitted use even in that zone, but

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they are willing. So, I actually have to
say this is a this is a developer who

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seems incredibly responsive. I know we
have a lot of people who show up for the

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shores of the lake and I'm thankful for
them. I have yet to hear the people who

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show up for the neighbors out there who
have unique concerns and having a

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developer that took it upon themsel to
address the humans who live out there

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and not just the birds is really
exciting to me and I'm really really um

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glad to see this. I think there is no
leeway on things like the tree buffers.

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there's no leeway on things like um
light mitigation, all of those other

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things that will protect the birds
because our zone was designed to

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consider that. Um but this is actually
a pretty high precedent in addition to

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the fact that they're willing to give us
concessions that we couldn't have

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foreseen needing to be explicitly stated
when the zone was created.

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» Any other thoughts, council members?

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Um I would like to um I think the as far
as the the data center um

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technically being a thing that could
happen in the site I felt like I

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personally would like to prohibit that
even if the developer it's not uh

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thinking about doing it I think just for
the sake of uh putting on and and you

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know and and paper in writing. I think I
would like to add that as a requirement

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that is not allowable
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can let the developer speak to it but
this is a concession that

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the developer is willing to get to give
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» Yeah. And we well I mean they know how
to give it to us, right? Like we can

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actually require it but it's very nice
that they're willing to give it to us.

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» I Yeah. I'm not trying to exercise our
power. I'm saying we have a partner here

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who is doing in this space things that
are not just being compelled but this is

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someone who gives every appearance at
this point to be honoring the spirit and

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the letter of our law.
>> Yes. Um I guess maybe that this is a way

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to allow the developer for a few
minutes. Um and uh yeah tell us a little

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bit about the project. Um maybe this
sparks other questions but maybe not.

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Make sure that the green light is on.
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» There you go. Green light was not on.
Uh, I'm Dustin Cutler. I represent Lone

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Peak Lofts. It is my business, my
partner and I's business, and we are the

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applicants/developers
of this parcel. Um, as far as the data

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center, I know it come up. I'm
completely fine with any contingencies

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that you guys feel like are needed for
that area to to not allow data centers.

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I've built a number of smaller scale.
One one thing that doesn't show on these

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parcels is there's actually two 24-in
gas lines that go from Wyoming to

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California. They they kind of cut that
parcel in the middle. So, it kind of

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creates two envelopes where a large
building you literally we we

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naively asked what would it would cost
to move those before we understood what

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they were. And the guy from Kern River
laughed at us and he said, "I don't

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know, maybe 15 to$20 million." and we're
like, "Oh, these aren't like these

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aren't your 1-in gas lines that run to
your house." That's where we kind of

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learned. So, because of that, it doesn't
suit itself to any any large buildings

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really. Um, so in my opinion, there's
this I don't know the data center market

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at all. It's nothing I've ever dealt
with before, but I I don't think that's

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an issue. I'm more than happy to, you
know what I mean, work with the city and

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say, "Yeah, that's not a not a thing
that works in that area for me or any

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potential buyers or future developers or
tenants for that matter."

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» Thank you. I mean, the technology is
evolving so much and it will continue to

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evolve. So, I prefer to put it in the in
the documents so they're not no

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allowable use. Uh, any other thoughts,
council members?

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Yes.
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um the staff said

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that this um there's no firm plan for
this property right now. Um do you have

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ideas?
>> So, I actually uh I used chat GPT the

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other day for the first time in my life.
I did come up with some concepts. I

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don't I thought I mailed them in, but I
may have emailed them to the wrong I

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didn't know who to send it. So, we I was
telling Nick before this, my partner and

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I, we we actually build small industrial
buildings. Uh we're completing one on

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the on-ramp of 5600 West and I 80 right
now. So, we have worked through the city

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process before. It was already zoned the
right way, so I didn't come to this, you

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know what I mean? It was just a
planning, but we specialize for the last

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10 or 15 or I guess 12 years now. We
build usually between 30 and 50,000 foot

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buildings, which to most people sounds
big, but when it comes to industrial

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space is really small, right? and we
usually split those into anywhere

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between three and 10,000 foot units. Um,
so we attract small businesses. The

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stuff right now we're building out by
the airport. We have as small as 4,000

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to as large as nine. We have a few
signed leases. That building's not yet

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complete, but we've signed some leases.
One of them is Snap-on Tools Corporate,

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who provides automotive working tools,
and I think it's just a warehouse for

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their local guys to come pick up tools.
One of them is a soil test company that

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does soil testing for the state. Um they
leased a 4,000 foot unit. So we don't we

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usually attract smaller businesses uh
across our whole anything we've ever

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built. We've only ever had one that was
actually a manufacturer. Uh it's a

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building down in Lynon. Uh one company
bought the entire building from us and

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they do all your kind of special duct
work. They're one of the few

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manufacturers in the state that actually
builds commercial duct work. But outside

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that we get our stuff in Pleasant Grove
attracts dance studios, some online

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retailers, a gym. This particular area
probably wouldn't attract that of course

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because it's there's no population base
around, right? But most of what we

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target is is small businesses. What we
had kind of planned and if we still our

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hope is to end up owning one of the
building envelopes. There's three

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possible building envelopes. Our hope is
to kind of sell two off and build one

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and it would probably be a 20 to 30,000
foot building primarily targeted like 3

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to 4,000 foot units for for local
contractors and we'd probably sell half

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and keep half. So if we were if we were
the developers, we'd bring a condo plat

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in over our particular building. Um so
we do part of the small I guess the

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community benefit was hoping to work
with small businesses. We of course

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can't commit to that because like I was
telling Nick beforehand, this is a

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bigger project than we can afford to do
quite honestly. So at this point, we're

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looking to kind of get the reszone done,
probably start to work through the

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engineering and site plan and all that
other items once we know the zoning's

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right. if somebody comes along and buys
it, we'll exit. But they'll understand

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part of our agreement with the community
was that the fencing and the trees are

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being locked in as part of the reszone.
And part of that was to make our

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neighbor across the street, Mr. Taylor,
happy. Um I I approached kind of all my

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neighbors there. Uh there's a few guys
that own some parcels to the north of

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that small road, 2670, and they were
trying to work with me because they

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would like to access their property.
Unfortunately, they don't really have

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access to their parcels back there. Um,
I contacted all the neighbors and

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they're just not interested in in a
change to that road. So, I went ahead

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and bought the Thompson property to
provide access back here. So,

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» thank you so much. Okay.
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I would support prohibit prohibition of
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» Okay.
>> Thank you.

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» It seems like we are good. Uh, I
appreciate the, you know, your the

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information you share with us. Thank
you. Um, I think that sort of gives

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gives the direction on where we are
headed.

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» Could we just get confirmation? I think
we're there, but quick straw poll on

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whether or not you would like to include
the prohibition on data centers as a

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condition in the reszone.
>> Sure. Let's show your feelings on that,

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council members.
>> Okay.

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» Okay. We'll make that change to it.
>> Okay. Thank you.

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» Thank you very much.
>> Thank you.

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Uh
item number two is a zoning map

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amendment and general plan amendment at
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1990 and 2002 South 500 East. Um we're
going to welcome Allison Roland, council

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policy analyst at the table and Cassie
Younger, senior senior planner and

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Kelsey Linquist, planning manager. Maybe
um Oh yes.

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» Thank you, Mr. Chair. This is a request
for a zoning map and general plan

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amendment at 1990 South 500 East and
2002 South 500 East in the Liberty Welsh

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neighborhood. The applicant, Castlewood
Development, has proposed 22 for sale

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town homes, each with three stories,
including four bedrooms, three and a

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half baths, and a twocar garage. The
requested changes would reszone the the

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property from single family residential
to moderate density multif family

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residential and require a general plan
amendment to the central community

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future land use map from lowdensity
residential to medium density

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residential. The planning commission
voted 5 to zero to recommend the council

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approve these changes with a development
agreement and comment commenters at the

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planning commission hearing expressed
concerns about the height of the

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buildings. the density or number of
units that are included and the loss of

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available parking in the area. The
public hearing is scheduled for

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September 15th with potential council
action on September 22nd. And the

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applicant is here if you're if uh you
end up with any questions after uh

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Cassie's presentation.
>> Thanks.

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I think this is the applicant.

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Can we go to the next presentation?
>> Scott, could we go to the next

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presentation?

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Okay, [laughter] I'll get started while
they're bringing that up. Sorry about

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that. Um, my name is Cassie Younger and
I'm presenting the Wells on Fifth Reson.

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So, as Alison mentioned, this request is
for our zoning map and general plan

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amendment uh 1990 and 2002 South 500
East. The current zoning is R15000 and

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is proposed to be changed to RM35, which
is a moderate density multif family

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residential.
Uh this also requires an amendment to

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the central community plan future land
use map from low density residential to

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medium density residential.
Uh the subject property um is 1.03 acres

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and has three frontages along 500 East,
Hollywood, and Roondo A. It was

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previously the historic Wells Ward
Meeting House, which burned down in 2024

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and has been Vinket ever since.
This property lies within the Liberty

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neighborhood about a mile west of Sugar
House downtown. The site is one block

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north of 2100 South, which is uh zoned
primarily MU3 and has a variety of small

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businesses and town homes. And while the
blocks north are generally um R15000,

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there are some pockets of RMF35
nearby like the senior living center to

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the north and a recently reszoned Sears
site on 400 East. Uh, this site has a

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variety of transit options close by with
a UTA bus stop one block north and an

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S-line station.3
miles south.

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The proposed development offers 22 town
homes, each with four bedrooms and three

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and a half baths. Each unit has a twocar
garage, and the site offers eight guest

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parking stalls on site. The site plan
proposes

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um over 12,000 square feet of open space
including a playground amenity

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and while the RMF35 zone allows up to 35
ft in height, the development is

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proposing to cap it at 30 ft.

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Uh the community benefit offered is that
all of these are familysized units with

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over three beds and three baths and
these units will all be offered for

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sale. The open space is over three times
the required amount for this

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development. And the open space is
mostly contiguous with over 3,000 square

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feet of a for a playground. And the
applicant has offered to integrate an

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educational component to the play area.
The educational component was inspired

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by a nonprofit group called Playful
Learning Landscapes, which helps

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developers in cities install educational
engaging playscapes for children in

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private and public spaces. And these can
be as simple as a mural or a painted

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bench or as complex as an entire play
installation. All of which would promote

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engagement and interactive um
interaction between children and their

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caregivers.
Um, so in the slide I have a table that

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compares the existing zones with the
proposed RMF35 zone.

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Is there a way to connect my own
computer anyway?

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» That I don't know. Um, I just sent it to
Scott.

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» Okay. [laughter]
>> See if you can get it.

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Um,
so the table will show the comparison

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and uh versus the proposed project. So
they aren't proposing to build to the

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maximum height or density that the RMF35
zone would allow. The RMF35 zone would

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allow up to 59 lots um with the minimum
lot size requirement, but the applicant

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is only proposing 22.

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And so many aspects of the proposed
development actually comply with the

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RMF30 zone which is our low density
multifamily residential zone um

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including the density of 22 units with a
height cap of 30 ft.

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So the applicant is requesting the RMF35
zone instead um because of this smaller

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front yard requirements. So, this allows
to keep the majority of their open space

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within the interior of the site plan
within the greenways and playground

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amenity instead of accommodating those
larger front setbacks.

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And so the applicant received a lot of
public feedback on their project um and

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revised their design to accommodate some
of these concerns inclusing including

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decreasing the number of units from 22
to 20 from 24 to 22 and adding guest

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parking stalls and increasing the
setbacks along Rodondo and Hollywood

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from 10 ft to 13 and 14.

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Yeah. So, if you just want to go through
and we can bring up those tables.

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Um, yeah. So, here's the current zone
R15000, the RMF35 zone, and the proposed

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project.

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So, like I said, they're going under um
the height and the density for for what

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is allowed in the RMF35 zone. Next
slide, please.

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Um, and this is comparing it with the
RMF30 zone, which is our lowdensity

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multif family residential. So, it
complies with almost all of those

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development standards um, except for the
front yards.

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Okay. And then next slide.
Um, it made some accommodations as

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mentioned um, based on public feedback
like decreasing the number of units,

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increasing front yards, and adding guest
parking.

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Next slide.
And then on June 24th, the planning

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commission voted unanimously to forward
a positive recommendation to the city

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council with the listed conditions.

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Next slide.

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» Thank you. Um council members,
council Carlson,

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» um I saw that uh there is it's
anticipated that these would be for sale

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units. Do we have a sense of what the um
the price might be for these for sale

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units?
>> The applicant has indicated that they

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would be market rate and I believe the
range was around 590 or so, but she is

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also here uh to present and can be more
specific in that.

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» Okay.
>> Yeah. I think that maybe we should give

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the time a little time, a few minutes to
the

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» applicant who also has a PowerPoint we
can go through and maybe it'll help us

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track visually
>> while she presents.

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» And as she comes up, I want to apologize
to Cassie and to all of you. Um, it

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looks like I I sent the other
presentations. I didn't send this one.

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So, sorry about that.

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» Welcome to welcome to the applicant.
make sure that the green light is on on

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the microphone and
>> give us a short

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» presentation.
>> Um, thank you [clears throat] for your

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time today. My name is Haley Pratt and
I'm a partner at Castlewood Development.

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Um, we are go the developer and builder
of the site. Um, when approaching this

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site, we paid a lot of attention. We
knew that we liked the location. We

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liked the proximity to transit. We loved
the proximity to the commercial services

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and the fact that it was already a
vacant site. There was no displacement.

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But we did understand that one of the
key factors was um making sure that we

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approached the site and the site design
so that it was contextually appropriate.

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So, um, even before I dive into the site
plan, one thing that we tried to do was

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even orient the way that the town homes
laid out on the site. So, that side um

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the side facade is is adjacent to the
side facade of the adjacent homes. And

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so, there were a lot of um design
elements that we approached with the

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site that um was trying to keep in mind
just that this is a neighborhood and

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that we need to respect those residents.
So, um

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Oh, next slide. Thank you. Um, then this
is just hitting on the fact that we're

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um providing missing middle housing
within um the Liberty Wells

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neighborhood. And next slide.
Uh this gives an idea of our floor

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plans. Like Cassie mentioned, the family
um oriented development was a key

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consideration. Um on the third floor, we
have three bedrooms. to cater to the

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family um dynamic. So um anyone with
children, they would be on the same

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level. And then we do have a fourth
floor or fourth bedroom in the on the

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first floor. Next one. Next slide,
please. Thank you. An illustrative site

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plan showing the landscape layout. Like
Cassie mentioned, we're three times over

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the open space um that's required in the
zone. Next slide.

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and we are going to be incorporating
some sort of educational component into

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the play area. Um again hitting on the
fact that we're trying to attract

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families in this community. Next slide.

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Now, um the community, we've had
multiple conversations with the

434
00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:16,480
community and and it some of them were
not easy and we've tried to accommodate

435
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:22,079
as much as possible ways to alleviate
any sort of um negative impact on the

436
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:27,520
residents. And three themes that we
heard were density, building scale and

437
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:33,760
height, and parking. Um the way that we
addressed that was next slide.

438
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:39,680
We dropped unit count. pretty
straightforward. Um you can see the old

439
00:39:35,839 --> 00:39:45,040
plan um and then the revised plan. Next
slide.

440
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:49,040
Another um factor was the scale and
height. And we did we addressed this in

441
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:57,760
a few ways. Um the first being we
increased the front setback to 13 ft.

442
00:39:54,160 --> 00:40:03,222
Next slide. Oh, actually can we go back
one? It also Oh, well next slide. Sorry.

443
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:06,880
I think it's later on.
>> [laughter]

444
00:40:04,240 --> 00:40:10,880
» Um, and as you can see in this exhibit,
it's just a general schematic showing

445
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:15,040
that the 13 ft is not out of
neighborhood character. Um, it's

446
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:22,880
generally in line with what a lot of the
existing homes are, what you see along

447
00:40:17,599 --> 00:40:29,280
those those frontages. So, next slide.
Height and scale. We've committed to

448
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:34,000
keeping it to 30 ft. Um, even though the
reszone would allow up to 35, the

449
00:40:31,599 --> 00:40:39,599
adjacent zone I believe allows up to 28
ft. So, it's a comparable height step

450
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:44,640
up. And I acknowledge it's a step up,
but um, we're trying to be gentle about

451
00:40:41,839 --> 00:40:50,000
it. Next slide.
We have also significantly increased the

452
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:53,359
western setback. So the the property
boundary that we're actually sharing

453
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:56,960
with existing single family homes, we've
increased that side setback

454
00:40:55,359 --> 00:41:02,160
substantially
um to try and alleviate any sort of um

455
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:07,119
people brought up shade on their garden
and things like that in the rear yards.

456
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:13,440
Next slide.
Parking. Um, we have added eight guest

457
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:21,040
parking stalls on the site. And so our
parking ratio is 2.36 stalls per town

458
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:25,359
home, which is is substantial and
something that we we wouldn't anticipate

459
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:32,000
there being much spillover parking
within the neighborhood. Next slide.

460
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:36,800
And that's it. Um, our target is
families. Um, we're excited about this

461
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:43,200
project, excited about the site, and I'm
happy to answer any questions you have.

462
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:46,720
» Council members, council member Carlson.
>> Um, I don't think I have any additional

463
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:50,960
questions. I've had an opportunity to
connect with a developer and connect

464
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:55,920
with um, community members who are
concerned about this development. Um,

465
00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:59,920
and uh, I imagine we'll hear some more
about their concerns about the

466
00:41:57,359 --> 00:42:04,160
development, but I do want to uh,
acknowledge the developer for making

467
00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:08,560
adjustments to the plan that were in
direct response to some of the community

468
00:42:05,839 --> 00:42:12,880
input. And even some of the community
residents said, "We felt very heard by

469
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:17,359
the developer, even if they might not
over overall agree with the overall

470
00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:23,319
direction of the of the development."
So, just want to uh, acknowledge that.

471
00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:23,319
» Thank you.

472
00:42:23,599 --> 00:42:33,599
Thank you. Um I I see that uh your plans
talk about 10,000 square feet of open

473
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:40,160
space uh which I think it's going to be
a great amenity uh for the residents uh

474
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:46,079
there u but on the consideration that we
have quite every day in this council

475
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:50,880
related to water. I would like to know
uh how much of of that is going to be

476
00:42:48,079 --> 00:42:56,640
grass uh you know do you have any idea?
Um, so I don't have a detailed landscape

477
00:42:53,760 --> 00:43:03,440
plan at this point. We typically don't
do large sod or turf areas unless it's a

478
00:43:00,319 --> 00:43:09,760
dedicated play area. So most of it would
be um perennial plantings around the the

479
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:12,960
play area. Now, if it if as we're
playing around with it, we decide we

480
00:43:11,359 --> 00:43:18,800
want to set aside, you know, a pet
relief area or um you know, something

481
00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:22,800
else that would that would be well
suited for sod, we would do that. But

482
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:27,839
otherwise it would be a water-wise
water-wise um landscape design.

483
00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:33,280
» I think I I would prefer if we that if
we put that in in in part as part of the

484
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:37,839
agreement um that you know that you
committing to water wise um plantings uh

485
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:44,400
we have done it in other projects in the
past uh and uh it sort of

486
00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:48,400
it should be percolating and of of all
the projects moving forward in my

487
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:52,079
opinion. Um, I think like based on the
renderings you showed, it seems like you

488
00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:57,680
are going to do it right already from
the beginning. Um, but I feel like that

489
00:43:55,680 --> 00:44:00,960
in my mind should be part of the the
requirement moving forward. I don't know

490
00:43:59,599 --> 00:44:05,079
if other council members feel like
that's important, too.

491
00:44:05,359 --> 00:44:10,880
Any other thoughts?
Oh, no,

492
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:14,160
» we're good.
>> And we'd be happy to commit to the water

493
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,319
wise component.
>> Okay, that that makes it easier. Thank

494
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,560
you.
>> Thank you.

495
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:29,200
» Okay.
Moving on to uh an ordinance related to

496
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:33,920
the alley vacation at approximately 750
South Main Street. This is item number

497
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:38,400
three. Uh we're going to welcome at the
table Michael Sanders, council policy

498
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:43,760
analyst and Kins Linquist is going to
stay at the table, planning our planning

499
00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:50,319
manager. Um, also we have the applicant
uh representatives for the applicant

500
00:44:46,319 --> 00:44:54,319
here at the table. Uh, so yes, uh,
Michael,

501
00:44:51,839 --> 00:44:57,680
thank you, council. So, Inter Mountain
Health has submitted an application

502
00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:02,560
requesting that the city vacate a
publicly owned alley [snorts] adjacent

503
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:09,760
to properties at 750 South Main Street,
778 South Main Street, 16 West 800

504
00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:13,280
South, and 755 South Richard Street.
Vacating the alley would support a

505
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:16,400
future off-site parking structure with
an accompanying Skybridge to Inter

506
00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:21,119
Mountain Health's planned hospital east
of Main Street. Please note that this is

507
00:45:19,119 --> 00:45:25,280
the first alley vacation which has been
through the new alley vacation process

508
00:45:23,359 --> 00:45:30,000
adopted in March of this year that
allows certain that allows in certain

509
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:34,319
circumstances for alley vacations to not
go through the planning commission

510
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:38,160
process but rather come to the council
following an analysis of certain

511
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:41,760
criteria and receiving a recommendation
from the planning director. The planning

512
00:45:40,319 --> 00:45:46,800
director has forwarded a positive
recommendation that the council approve

513
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:52,960
the alley vacation.
Thank you, Michael. Next slide.

514
00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:57,520
All right. As Michael mentioned, this is
a request from Inter Mountain Health to

515
00:45:54,880 --> 00:46:03,839
vacate an existing alley approximately
located at 750 South Maine. The alley

516
00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:08,079
runs south to north from 800 South
between Richard Street and Main Street.

517
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:12,880
The planning director forwarded a
positive recommendation to the city

518
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:16,880
council. Next slide.
The northern portion of the subject

519
00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:22,720
alley was previously vacated between
1981 and 1999. The alley is currently

520
00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:27,680
used as a drive aisle and parking for
Ken Garf and the Abuing Auto Body Shop

521
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:32,000
which is shown in the photo.
The purpose of the vacation is to

522
00:46:29,599 --> 00:46:36,319
consolidate the sites from four parcels
into two so that um Inter Mountain

523
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:41,520
Health can build a parking structure on
the northern parcel. Ken Garf does

524
00:46:39,119 --> 00:46:49,119
intend to expand and reconfigure the
existing non-compliant parking lot um on

525
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:55,119
this southern parcel. Next slide.
So um under the new review process,

526
00:46:51,359 --> 00:47:01,359
there are uh factors of review and the
requested alley vacation does not comply

527
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:05,839
with one um and that is the lack of use.
The alley is open and exists for the

528
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:11,680
purpose of providing access to the site
from 800 South. The parking lot use of

529
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:19,520
the alley is relatively new, replacing
an L's L Wells Fargo building that was

530
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:24,240
demolished in uh 2021, and the alleyway
and the parking lot are separated by a

531
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:30,480
fence. With that said, the requested
alley vacation does meet the additional

532
00:47:27,119 --> 00:47:35,599
factors of review. So for public safety,
it would not inhibit emergency access or

533
00:47:33,119 --> 00:47:39,839
existing proposed structures. The
existence of the public way is not tied

534
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:43,359
to increased crime, unsafe conditions,
public health problems, or blight. And

535
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:49,280
the alley is currently maintained by
Kenarf and is visually part of their

536
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:54,160
property. The community purpose, the
purpose of vacating the alley is to

537
00:47:51,440 --> 00:48:00,480
consolidate the four parcels um for the
redevelopment of the property just east

538
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:04,800
of the site into a hospital and the
hospital use serves an important

539
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:09,359
community purpose and cannot function
without sufficient parking. Impact on

540
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:13,920
general plan. The proposed vacation
satisfies the standards of the adopted

541
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:17,440
general plan by protecting current and
future infrastructure, circulation, and

542
00:48:15,839 --> 00:48:21,520
connectivity.
Uh impact to the property. The proposed

543
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:25,359
vacation will not result in a parcel or
lot being deprived of access or

544
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:29,359
landlocked.
Uh public utilities. The public way is

545
00:48:27,839 --> 00:48:34,800
not considered essential for the
location of future public utilities

546
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:39,280
and it is not required for access to
public utility infrastructure.

547
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:47,520
And then the requested dimensions for
the vacation is approximately 2402

548
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:54,880
square feet. Uh that measures about 8.25
ft wide by 248 ft long.

549
00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:58,640
Next slide, please.
And as mentioned earlier, the planning

550
00:48:56,720 --> 00:49:02,880
director recommended that the city
council approve this request. I can

551
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:07,040
answer any questions at this time. And
um a representative from IH is here to

552
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:10,800
answer any questions as well.
Council members.

553
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:14,079
» Oh, and you have a presentation, right?
>> I do. Yeah, if that's okay. Yeah,

554
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:18,480
» it's brief.
>> We'll give you the time.

555
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:22,359
» Let's see. You We're waiting for your
presentation to populate.

556
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:29,599
You can say next slide when you're ready
for the next slide.

557
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:33,520
» Perfect. Yeah. Well, good afternoon,
council. My name is Chad Moahan. I'm

558
00:49:31,599 --> 00:49:38,079
here representing Inter Mountain Health
um to discuss the alley vacation. Next

559
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:43,280
slide, please.
As has been shared um previously by the

560
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:49,119
planning team, this is uh the northwest
corner of 800 South and Main Street. The

561
00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:54,480
alley itself is represented there by the
red bar um which comes uh up from 800

562
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:58,480
South into kind of the middle of the
property. It's landlocked actually by

563
00:49:56,079 --> 00:50:02,559
four different parcels that um have
shared ownership between Inner Mountain

564
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:08,559
and Kengarf, which I'll share on the
next slide, please.

565
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:13,839
Um so just some detail regarding the the
parcels but um that's the survey of of

566
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:18,880
the site there on the right hand side. A
little difficult to see. Sorry it's

567
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:23,040
small. Um but you can see the parking
lot owned by Ken Garf which is

568
00:50:20,559 --> 00:50:28,800
represented as parcel 4 there on the
bottom right hand side. Um the auto body

569
00:50:26,079 --> 00:50:33,680
shop on the left hand side. Um and then
there's a a parcel one at the very top

570
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:38,079
of the plan. um which is a Inner
Mountain owned site currently being

571
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:43,040
occupied by Herz Renar and then in
between on the left hand side there's

572
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:46,880
also another Kgarf parcel. So it's a
kind of a mix of a few different

573
00:50:44,720 --> 00:50:51,520
parcels. There's five in total including
the alley. Um and as was mentioned the

574
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:58,079
alleyway is a little over 2,000 square
feet. Next slide please.

575
00:50:55,359 --> 00:51:03,440
So this is the proposed um final parcel
orientation for the site. Again, just

576
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:08,240
trying to sort of assemble these these
lots so it's a little more um a little

577
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:13,599
more logical, a little more workable for
the owners. Um but the intent here is to

578
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:17,760
vacate the alleyway. Um as was
referenced, it's it's very narrow um

579
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:23,920
between 8 and 10 ft wide and a little
over 200 feet um in length. There's not

580
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:28,480
a whole lot of potential use cases for
that site. Um but the vacation of the

581
00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:35,280
alley does give both Inter Mountain and
Garf an opportunity to reorient the

582
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:39,359
parcel um into two as opposed to five um
future parcels. One on the north side

583
00:51:37,599 --> 00:51:44,240
which is represented as parcel one there
and one on the south side represented as

584
00:51:41,839 --> 00:51:49,920
parcel two. Um Inter Mountain would be
the northernmost parcel and Garf would

585
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:54,079
be the southernmost parcel. Um and again
the the intent is to maintain um at

586
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:58,400
least for Garf a consistent use with
what they're doing today which is

587
00:51:55,359 --> 00:52:02,319
overflow for the adjacent car dealership
um and for Inter Mountain as was

588
00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:06,880
referenced previous a multi-story
parking garage um with street activation

589
00:52:05,119 --> 00:52:11,440
um that will serve the larger Sears
block to the east of Main Street.

590
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:14,800
And
>> that was actually short.

591
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:18,559
» Amazing. That was short.
>> Yeah. Well, I didn't have as much

592
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:21,760
content as everybody else. It's uh
relatively simple compared to some of

593
00:52:20,079 --> 00:52:29,040
the other ones.
>> Any uh thoughts? Uh yes.

594
00:52:26,240 --> 00:52:33,280
» Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um um this is
probably for planning staff. I'm

595
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:39,839
wondering how many of these sky bridges
we have in the city? Do they present any

596
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:43,040
uh safety issues?
Did you say sky bridges in the city?

597
00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:46,559
» Sky bridg.
>> Sky bridges. There is a proposed

598
00:52:44,720 --> 00:52:51,440
skybridge that would be coming to the
council in the future. Um, but it is not

599
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:53,839
part of the current alley vacation
request.

600
00:52:53,680 --> 00:53:00,000
I
>> I guess to this question though is maybe

601
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:03,760
to the applicant is the sky bridge still
part of your plan.

602
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:09,680
» Yes, that's what we would like to do.
Correct. And to me, I feel like I would

603
00:53:05,839 --> 00:53:17,760
like to um discuss the Ali vacation in
context of of of that because the sky

604
00:53:13,839 --> 00:53:23,599
bridges have history in Salt Lake uh or
or a few of them or the one um and I

605
00:53:21,359 --> 00:53:27,119
feel like uh it will be good for us to
put it all together, you know, to

606
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:29,359
present it to the community. There's a
lot of opinions out there about Sky

607
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:35,440
Bridges.
>> Sure. So I personally would like to uh

608
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:39,359
do are you guys soon going to start
presenting the do you know if there is a

609
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:42,160
timeline for the sky bridge to come
through the city?

610
00:53:40,559 --> 00:53:46,480
» Yeah. Yeah. So with respect to the
skybridge, um a little different process

611
00:53:44,079 --> 00:53:50,400
than the alley vacation, but I think
what where we ultimately landed um with

612
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:54,319
planning in the city's attorney's office
was a easement that would be for the sky

613
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:57,520
bridge and then that would be
accompanied by a full set of plans that

614
00:53:56,079 --> 00:54:00,559
would detail essentially where the sky
bridge would connect, what it would look

615
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:05,440
like, all the architecturing,
engineering details behind it. um that

616
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:10,480
would follow in a subsequent agreement
after the alley. Once we vacate the

617
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:15,200
alley just procedurally um we would need
to reorient the lot and pursue a

618
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:19,520
development agreement that would um be
associated with the parking uh surface

619
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:23,280
parking and the parking structure itself
and then there would be a a subsequent

620
00:54:21,119 --> 00:54:26,880
application is our understanding and uh
conversations with planning that would

621
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:33,119
um be for the skybridge itself.
>> Okay. I I I you know I think that just

622
00:54:31,359 --> 00:54:40,559
to tie those two together will be very
beneficial to me. Um but I generally I

623
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:48,880
have no big concerns about the the you
know another Ali vacation. Um I I do um

624
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:58,000
I do want to say you know that you know
I went and toured uh LDS yesterday uh

625
00:54:53,680 --> 00:55:02,960
you know the hospital and uh IC team was
great in showing us what they're what

626
00:54:59,839 --> 00:55:07,119
they do. Um so uh I'm excited to see
some of those things uh being in a

627
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:13,200
modern building downtown, some of those
services being in downtown. I think that

628
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:19,200
uh it's going to be um a big deal. Um I
also uh many of us received a letter

629
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:25,040
today from the county council uh and the
county mayor asking us to to um to all

630
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:29,440
be on the table to talk about mental
health services and uh you know

631
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:34,559
behavioral health services. So maybe
during this time and this few weeks we

632
00:55:32,079 --> 00:55:40,880
can unlock some more conversations about
uh what uh everybody's doing uh and how

633
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:45,680
we can all pitch in uh into the work
that and highlight the work that you

634
00:55:42,720 --> 00:55:50,799
guys do too. Um so I'm hoping that that
buys us some time to uh to discuss some

635
00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:55,599
of those uh those other conversations
and I will uh I think I forwarded the

636
00:55:52,640 --> 00:56:01,359
letter to all of you uh um you know when
I received it like an hour ago. So, um,

637
00:55:58,720 --> 00:56:05,680
yeah, that's all I have right now. Any
other thoughts?

638
00:56:03,359 --> 00:56:10,319
» If I may just clarify on the types of
applications that will be coming

639
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:13,599
forward, IH needs to submit a text
amendment to enter into a new

640
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:19,280
development agreement for the parking
structure that is offsite and that would

641
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:23,280
um needs to accompany a general plan
amendment as well for the skybridge. So,

642
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:28,319
both of those are legislative and would
be coming back to the council.

643
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:33,520
» Okay. Thank you. I yeah that's that's uh
the timeline is is great and certainly I

644
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:38,079
think time is of the essence I'm sure um
so presenting the documents through the

645
00:56:35,599 --> 00:56:42,640
city and going through the process uh to
make sure that it makes it here fast it

646
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:47,000
will be ideal um so thank you
>> yeah thank you

647
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:47,000
» likewise thank you all

648
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:58,400
» sorry [laughter]
>> you are our guest uh you know famous

649
00:56:54,880 --> 00:57:06,000
speaker today. Um item number four is an
alley vacation near 2553 South Chadwick

650
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:10,319
Street. Um Kelsey Linquist at the table,
a planning manager and then Austin Kim

651
00:57:08,240 --> 00:57:14,640
Kimmel, council policy analysis is going
to give us a short introduction.

652
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:20,720
» Great. Thanks, council members. This is
a proposal to vacate two portions of

653
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:27,280
Public alleyway near 2553 South Chadwick
Street in District 7. Those alleyway

654
00:57:23,839 --> 00:57:31,359
portions are first a 262 ft alley
running east to west from Chadwick

655
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:36,319
Street to Dearborn Street. The second is
a 51 ft alley between the two streets

656
00:57:33,599 --> 00:57:41,440
running north to south. The applicants
request the alleyway vacation to build a

657
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:46,000
larger detached garage replacing a
smaller one at the rear of the property.

658
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:50,480
The planning commission discussed and
forwarded a positive recommendation for

659
00:57:47,839 --> 00:57:54,160
the proposed alleyway vacation to the
city council during its April 22nd

660
00:57:52,640 --> 00:58:00,240
meeting. And with that, I will turn it
over to Kelsey.

661
00:57:56,720 --> 00:58:04,960
» All right, next slide, please.
All right, as Austin mentioned, um this

662
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:11,599
is a request from the property owners
located at 2553 Chadwick to vacate two

663
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:17,599
portions of um two public alleyways due
to lack of use. The applicant's property

664
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:22,000
is identified on in yellow on the screen
and the two sections of the alleyways

665
00:58:19,359 --> 00:58:26,319
are identified in blue. The east west
portion which is light blue runs along

666
00:58:24,799 --> 00:58:32,480
about six properties and is
approximately 12 ft wide by 262 ft long.

667
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:39,040
And the north south alleyway identified
in dark blue runs along two properties

668
00:58:35,119 --> 00:58:42,960
and is approximately 12 x 51 ft long. Um
if the alleyways are vacated the alleys

669
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:49,280
would be divided and allocated to the
property owners abudding the vacated

670
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:54,240
portions. Next slide please.
The east west alleyway vacation includes

671
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:58,079
the entirety of that section. The north
south is just a portion of the entire

672
00:58:56,240 --> 00:59:02,480
alleyway which is illustrated on the
screen. It's important to note that

673
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:06,720
several accessory structures currently
block access through these sections of

674
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:11,240
alleyways which can be seen in these
aerials. Next slide.

675
00:59:12,079 --> 00:59:23,599
Historic aerials illustrate this the um
same lack of use and restricted access.

676
00:59:20,799 --> 00:59:29,839
Next slide.
This is a photo from Chadwick Street to

677
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:32,839
illustrate the lack of use. Next slide,
please.

678
00:59:33,119 --> 00:59:41,680
And a photo from Dearbornne. Same
illustration. Next slide.

679
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:47,200
The request that alley vacations comply
with the applicable standards that

680
00:59:43,599 --> 00:59:51,760
address uh lack of use. Uh the alley has
essentially been materially blocked um

681
00:59:49,359 --> 00:59:56,400
which has rendered it unusable. Next
slide.

682
00:59:54,640 --> 01:00:01,599
And the planning commission boarded a
positive recommendation to the city

683
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:06,599
council. I do believe the applicants are
here today and I'm happy to answer any

684
01:00:03,599 --> 01:00:06,599
questions.

685
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:13,920
Council members, let's welcome the
applicant then. Um, and uh, do you have

686
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:19,040
a do you have a Yeah, come come to the
table. Join. Uh,

687
01:00:17,359 --> 01:00:22,799
do you have a presentation or are you
here for answering questions?

688
01:00:21,359 --> 01:00:26,079
» Oh, I'm the property owner.
>> Yes. Do you have a presentation or

689
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:29,920
» Oh, sorry. I don't have a presentation.
Can I just say a few things?

690
01:00:27,359 --> 01:00:35,440
» Yes. Go ahead, Council Member Young.
>> Yeah. Thank you. Um, so it's been fun.

691
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:39,359
This particular item was like
entertaining because I got to

692
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:44,640
participate both as a council member but
also as a neighbor. So, um, I got one of

693
01:00:42,559 --> 01:00:47,920
the notices from our planning department
saying this is happening in your

694
01:00:46,319 --> 01:00:53,280
neighborhood and like if you want to
give input to the planning commission

695
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:59,359
and I was like I do. Um, and so anyway,
I just appreciate the thorowness um, and

696
01:00:56,400 --> 01:01:03,839
also um, the professionalism of my
neighbors in terms of working handinhand

697
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:09,359
with the city to be able to get this
resolved. Um, it has long been an

698
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:13,040
outstanding unusable alley. Um, and by
moving this forward, it not only

699
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:16,720
benefits this particular homeowner, but
the homeowners around related to the

700
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:22,160
maintenance of many of their existing
structures, garages, etc. So, full

701
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:28,240
support and just thank you for your
engagement with the city.

702
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:31,599
» Thank you.
>> Thank you for switching hats there from

703
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:36,799
a neighbor to a council member and back
and forth. Um, any other thoughts?

704
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:40,559
» Okay, it seems like it's uh pretty
straightforward. It seems like we Thank

705
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:43,799
you for the information. Thank you.
>> Thank you.

706
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:52,319
» Moving on to item number five.
>> [gasps]

707
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:57,680
» It's a resolution building fee waiver
for Ivory Innovations de development at

708
01:01:54,960 --> 01:02:03,040
approximately 77
South 400 East. We're going to welcome

709
01:02:00,319 --> 01:02:06,319
Allison Roland, council policy analyst,
Tommy Huner, maybe not. Uh

710
01:02:05,682 --> 01:02:10,400
[clears throat]
Mike Akerlo, deputy director of

711
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:17,200
community services, uh and Juliana
Landis, uh community um can management

712
01:02:14,799 --> 01:02:22,880
analyst.
Hi again. Yes. Um Tammy had a family

713
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:27,359
issue come up, so she isn't able to be
here today. This item is a request from

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01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:31,119
Ivory Innovations, a nonprofit
organization for a building permit fee

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01:02:29,359 --> 01:02:36,720
waiver for some of the units in a new
housing development on 707 South 400

716
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:42,079
East. The development includes 66 new
rental housing units, of which 50 would

717
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:46,880
be offered at or below 80% of AMI for 15
years. City policy allows building

718
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:51,599
permit fee waiverss to be granted by the
council to a nonprofit organization that

719
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:58,079
develops housing priced at or below 80%
of of AMI.

720
01:02:55,280 --> 01:03:01,200
The ordinance requires an informal
public hearing and that the director of

721
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:05,760
CAN decide whether or not to recommend
that the council adopt the request. The

722
01:03:03,359 --> 01:03:11,040
project was found eligible for a waiver
of 75% of the building fees which

723
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:15,280
amounts to about $150,000.
No additional public hearing is required

724
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:20,160
for this item and potential action is
scheduled for September 15th. I will

725
01:03:18,079 --> 01:03:22,880
turn it over to Juliana
>> or Mike.

726
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:28,000
» I'm going to step in real quick uh just
to introduce this project and highlight

727
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:32,160
it as a great example of uh the private
sector coming together um through a

728
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:36,559
nonprofit building affordable housing in
our community without any government

729
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:41,200
funding. Um, call to action is a
foundation started by Maverick and they

730
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:45,920
partnered with Ivy Ivory Innovations to
build these uh, rental units. Um, and I

731
01:03:44,559 --> 01:03:49,200
think it's just a it's important to
highlight that that they have not used

732
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:54,160
any city funding or other government
funding um, have not used the tax

733
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:58,559
credits um, which is a very competitive
source. Um, so it's nice to see this

734
01:03:56,960 --> 01:04:03,280
kind of development happening within our
communities. Um

735
01:04:01,599 --> 01:04:06,880
this also a great example of adaptive
reuse uh of an existing building and new

736
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:10,799
construction to bring affordable
housing. And I want to introduce

737
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:15,280
Juliana. She is new to the city uh
working in housing and uh housing

738
01:04:12,559 --> 01:04:19,440
stability as uh the compliance analyst
and is looking at all things impact fees

739
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:24,000
uh and building permit fees regarding
affordable housing. So turn it over to

740
01:04:21,359 --> 01:04:28,079
her.
>> Thanks Mike. Um we can go to the next

741
01:04:26,319 --> 01:04:32,160
slide.
Okay. So, first I'll just talk a bit

742
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:38,000
about the code and the process that
we've gone through so far. So, Salt Lake

743
01:04:34,799 --> 01:04:42,960
City Code 182022
states that nonprofit organizations may

744
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:48,799
petition Salt Lake City to wave or defer
fees for the development of affordable

745
01:04:44,799 --> 01:04:53,520
housing. Um, and currently the first
step in the process is housing stability

746
01:04:50,799 --> 01:04:57,200
staff. Uh so me and my team will request
information from the developer to verify

747
01:04:55,440 --> 01:05:02,960
that they're eligible under the code for
these waiverss. Then uh an informal

748
01:05:00,319 --> 01:05:07,760
public meeting was held on January 14th
for this project for the CAN director to

749
01:05:05,839 --> 01:05:12,559
review the application allow for
questions from the applicant and then

750
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:17,200
from there housing stability worked with
the developer and the attorney's office

751
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:22,000
to negotiate a restrictive use agreement
uh which we would then sign and record

752
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:26,960
if the waiver is approved. So, as of
July, the CAN director has recommended

753
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:30,960
that this fee waiver be approved. And
then the fee waiver ordinance states

754
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:36,559
that the director's recommendation will
be made to city council um for you all

755
01:05:33,119 --> 01:05:42,160
to hear. And then just a note on sort of
that administrative process. There are

756
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:47,839
updates to 18202
in the works with a goal to sort of

757
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:52,400
shift this process to align a bit better
with the current process that is

758
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:55,920
administrative for impact fee exemptions
uh where the CAN director has authority

759
01:05:54,000 --> 01:06:01,440
to just approve them and we wouldn't
need to involve council going forward.

760
01:05:59,599 --> 01:06:07,200
Um then we can go to the next slide
please. So now for more specifics on

761
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:14,559
this project. Uh this project is
Innovation Park at Liberty Wells at 707

762
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:21,760
South 400 East. Um like Allison already
said, it's 66 units in total. 30 units

763
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:26,720
are being restricted at 60% AMI and 20
units are being restricted at 80% AMI.

764
01:06:25,039 --> 01:06:32,000
Uh the term of the restrictive use
agreement would be for 15 years uh once

765
01:06:29,119 --> 01:06:37,920
it's signed and recorded.
Since 75% of the units would be

766
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:43,520
affordable at or below 80% AMI, uh the
project is eligible for a waiver of 75%

767
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:50,559
of the building permit fees. Uh which is
estimated to be about $150,000.

768
01:06:47,119 --> 01:06:55,839
And then just a notice, $106,500
in impact fees were previously waved for

769
01:06:53,520 --> 01:07:00,640
those 30 units that are affordable at
60% AMI.

770
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:05,760
The project is well on its way. It's
expected to be completed next month in

771
01:07:03,039 --> 01:07:11,280
September and the project is being
developed by Ivory Innovations which is

772
01:07:07,839 --> 01:07:17,039
a 501c3 nonprofit.
Um on the next slide we have some

773
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:21,920
renderings of what the project is
expected to look like. It looks pretty

774
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:28,079
similar to this uh if you go by it right
now.

775
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:33,119
And then the next slide shows uh sort of
an site plan view where you can see that

776
01:07:31,039 --> 01:07:38,880
adaptive reuse component that Mike
mentioned. Um that portion is 30

777
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:44,960
apartment units, 27 onebedrooms, and
three twobedrooms. And then in the blue

778
01:07:41,359 --> 01:07:53,280
box are the town home section. It's 36
town homes, 22bedroom, and 16 3bedroom.

779
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:57,280
Um that's all I have for you. If you do
have any questions, I think the

780
01:07:55,359 --> 01:08:01,200
applicant was planning on coming. Oh
yes, applicants here if you have

781
01:07:58,559 --> 01:08:04,400
questions more about uh site specifics
or the development or we can take other

782
01:08:03,039 --> 01:08:10,720
questions.
>> Initial thoughts, council members, or we

783
01:08:06,559 --> 01:08:14,000
invite the applicant then to the table.
We Yes. Do you do you have a

784
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:16,480
presentation or just here to answer
questions?

785
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:22,000
» No, I'm just here to answer questions if
you have any.

786
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:28,319
» Okay. Any questions for the applicant?
Okay, it seems like you

787
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:30,159
Chris. Okay. No, I think like we're
good. Thank you for the presentation.

788
01:08:29,759 --> 01:08:33,120
Appreciate it.
>> Thank you.

789
01:08:30,480 --> 01:08:37,239
» Thank you.
>> Didn't mean to put it on your spot.

790
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:46,960
» Um, so council members, we have a
tentative break right now. Um, and

791
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:52,319
technically we're supposed to be
uh back at 4, but I think um can do you

792
01:08:50,159 --> 01:08:57,199
think there is a possibility uh to try
to get some of these items to move a

793
01:08:54,719 --> 01:09:03,120
little ahead of time?
>> Okay, let's take a 20-minut break and

794
01:08:59,759 --> 01:09:06,600
let's see how far we get. So, let's meet
here at 3:25.

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» Welcome back to
welcome back to the council uh work

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session. Um we are now in item number
seven. Uh this is an ordinance for the

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administrative organization text
amendments for public services. We're

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01:39:20,320 --> 01:39:28,320
going to welcome Kate Barrett uh council
policy analysis at the table and then

952
01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:34,199
Horge Chamoro maybe uh oh no he's here
of course um director of public services

953
01:39:30,800 --> 01:39:34,199
um Kate.

954
01:39:34,560 --> 01:39:41,760
» Great. Thank you. Public services has
requested tax amendments to title two of

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the Salt Lake City code. The proposal
would codify a few things that have been

956
01:39:45,520 --> 01:39:53,440
happening
um due um since the fiscal year 26

957
01:39:50,080 --> 01:39:58,159
budget um was initiated or was approved
by you and then some other items also

958
01:39:56,400 --> 01:40:01,920
including the creation of of the
division of architecture and

959
01:39:59,600 --> 01:40:06,639
construction management, the name change
of the compliance division to urban

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01:40:03,760 --> 01:40:12,320
services, an updated description of the
powers, responsibilities and

961
01:40:09,199 --> 01:40:18,880
requirements for for the city architect.
Additionally, while not included in this

962
01:40:15,440 --> 01:40:23,040
code amendment, there is a possible city
code amendment that you may consider

963
01:40:20,639 --> 01:40:29,119
initiating a legislative intent to
support. This has been a city council

964
01:40:26,560 --> 01:40:34,000
interest. Oh, there has been a city code
interest in codifying the name change of

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01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:38,239
city of the city and county building to
city hall. The current name has caused

966
01:40:36,560 --> 01:40:42,800
confusion regarding the building's
purpose. The name change would lead to

967
01:40:40,719 --> 01:40:46,320
better aligning the name with its
function and use.

968
01:40:44,080 --> 01:40:51,760
» You're welcome. [laughter]
Anyways, go ahead.

969
01:40:49,119 --> 01:40:55,600
» Yes, the mayor recently initiated this
name change and is now being

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incorporated in several locations.
Public services plans to present the

971
01:40:57,600 --> 01:41:04,159
name change proposal to the use and
consery committee. If the committee

972
01:41:02,560 --> 01:41:08,400
provides positive feedback, the
administration will identify all the

973
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city code sections that require updates,
including title 15 and title two, and

974
01:41:11,520 --> 01:41:17,280
transmit recommendations to council for
consideration.

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You may consider a possible legislative
intent um with language included in the

976
01:41:20,560 --> 01:41:26,639
policy questions and discussion section.
If you would like that, I'll turn over

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to Jorge.
>> So, quick quick note. Thank you, Jorge.

978
01:41:29,440 --> 01:41:39,840
Um the the um
we uh for for for a little while now

979
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with administration and the mayors uh
wanted to consolidate the name they you

980
01:41:41,840 --> 01:41:50,800
know they made some good changes on that
but we still have in in the ordinances

981
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this uh wrong uh title. Um so I wanted
to make sure that from when we're

982
01:41:52,719 --> 01:42:01,600
approving ordinances that we start we
changing this to the correct uh name. Um

983
01:41:58,000 --> 01:42:06,320
but because of timing uh we are going to
let this one go. Um and you know keep

984
01:42:04,480 --> 01:42:13,280
the city county building and the
language of of this uh of this

985
01:42:09,600 --> 01:42:20,639
resolution I mean this ordinance. Um but
the intent will be that uh we we change

986
01:42:17,520 --> 01:42:26,719
this uh for for good. Um so people
looking for the county don't come here

987
01:42:22,239 --> 01:42:33,679
ever. Um so that's the hope. Anyways, uh
Horge, your time. Sorry for that.

988
01:42:30,560 --> 01:42:38,960
» Thank you. Good afternoon, council. Um
yeah, I'm here basically to answer any

989
01:42:36,000 --> 01:42:44,639
questions that you may have. Uh the
summary that Kate uh provided uh

990
01:42:41,600 --> 01:42:50,800
included basically all of the items that
we wanted to hit in this text amendment.

991
01:42:47,119 --> 01:42:55,880
There are two uh sections of code um
2.08 08 and 2.39

992
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and those are basically reflecting um as
Kate mentioned um how we are managing

993
01:43:03,040 --> 01:43:11,600
administratively
um the the department and also a few

994
01:43:08,880 --> 01:43:17,440
functions that uh ever since fiscal year
26 were um left in the department

995
01:43:15,679 --> 01:43:22,800
particularly the architecture and
construction management division. So for

996
01:43:20,320 --> 01:43:30,159
those that were not here uh last last
fiscal year um what occurred was the

997
01:43:26,159 --> 01:43:36,320
engineering division was uh split
everything that has to do with the right

998
01:43:33,679 --> 01:43:44,159
of way and uh construction in the right
of way. Um that group uh is

999
01:43:41,520 --> 01:43:49,760
managed by the city engineer and it was
moved to the um community and

1000
01:43:46,800 --> 01:43:55,440
neighborhoods department. Whereas
everything construction related outside

1001
01:43:52,239 --> 01:44:01,360
of the right of way meaning buildings uh
parks everything that is not roads you

1002
01:43:58,080 --> 01:44:06,320
know from the curb back um that is
managed by the city architect and we are

1003
01:44:04,320 --> 01:44:11,920
defining that in the text amendment and
that function remained in public

1004
01:44:08,560 --> 01:44:16,560
services. So we're basically just um
clarifying

1005
01:44:13,679 --> 01:44:23,840
what occurred last year and ensuring
that is is uh described in code.

1006
01:44:20,800 --> 01:44:30,639
No additions simply just stating what
the way we are handling right now. Um in

1007
01:44:27,280 --> 01:44:37,679
regards the uh section 2.39 which refers
to the conservancy and use committee it

1008
01:44:33,440 --> 01:44:42,480
is correct the title itself is um city
and county use and conservancy committee

1009
01:44:40,400 --> 01:44:47,360
and it defines how that committee should
be structured and it mentions multiple

1010
01:44:44,800 --> 01:44:51,280
times uh refers to this building as the
city and county building. And so in

1011
01:44:49,360 --> 01:44:55,840
addition to that section of code, there
are other parts of uh city code that

1012
01:44:53,840 --> 01:44:58,880
still mention uh city and county
building. And that's the part that it

1013
01:44:57,440 --> 01:45:03,920
will take a little bit of time to do
those uh redlinining and uh propose

1014
01:45:01,520 --> 01:45:08,320
those changes. But um the first step
that we wanted to consider in the

1015
01:45:05,760 --> 01:45:14,880
administrative side is presented to the
board, right? um which they are uh they

1016
01:45:12,719 --> 01:45:19,360
function in an advisory capacity and
it's important for us to consult them in

1017
01:45:16,639 --> 01:45:25,119
in major changes like this.
The next meeting is scheduled for um

1018
01:45:23,440 --> 01:45:30,639
September
can tell you right now it's the third

1019
01:45:27,920 --> 01:45:36,719
Monday of the month. So we will put that
in the agenda and uh certainly be back

1020
01:45:32,800 --> 01:45:47,760
with you um with their feedback.
So any questions that you have happy to

1021
01:45:41,840 --> 01:45:56,560
» I'm very very in favor of any effort to
consistently rename this building city

1022
01:45:50,560 --> 01:46:01,360
hall. Um I just think that we we should
um for the sake of the public make

1023
01:45:58,320 --> 01:46:06,400
things as clear as possible. Um, I think
especially with the county relocating,

1024
01:46:04,480 --> 01:46:09,920
um, you know, it's one thing if you have
to get in the wrong place and you have

1025
01:46:08,239 --> 01:46:14,639
to go down to 21st South, it's another
if you have to go to Midvail. Um, but

1026
01:46:12,159 --> 01:46:20,400
aside from that,
um, I I I really want to move forward

1027
01:46:18,000 --> 01:46:28,400
with City Hall. I hope that the board
will be um

1028
01:46:23,199 --> 01:46:32,000
in support um of that um because
uh I I know it's probably going to take

1029
01:46:30,080 --> 01:46:36,159
some budget to there's still some
lettering on the building. There's

1030
01:46:33,280 --> 01:46:40,960
still, you know, probably other areas,
but I think it's worth it to have

1031
01:46:38,880 --> 01:46:45,360
clarity for the public about where they
should go when they need to address

1032
01:46:42,239 --> 01:46:48,480
their local governments. So, I'm very in
favor of this. I've been on like a

1033
01:46:46,639 --> 01:46:53,040
personal crusade about this for many
years. So would love to see this move

1034
01:46:51,360 --> 01:46:56,040
forward.
Thanks.

1035
01:46:56,400 --> 01:47:02,800
» I I know that you wanted to make a
there's a lot of important changes

1036
01:47:00,159 --> 01:47:07,920
you're making in this ordinance. Um so
thank you for that. the I mean I I have

1037
01:47:06,239 --> 01:47:13,920
you know
are there costs associated additional

1038
01:47:10,639 --> 01:47:18,880
costs associated with the division
the compliance division or changing to

1039
01:47:17,040 --> 01:47:22,480
urban services?
>> No no budget impacts at all.

1040
01:47:20,960 --> 01:47:25,760
» Okay. We're not going to like start
peeling labels out of cars or anything

1041
01:47:24,960 --> 01:47:29,199
like that.
>> Yeah.

1042
01:47:26,320 --> 01:47:33,840
» Okay. Um, I mean I'm not a huge fan of
that urban services either as a name,

1043
01:47:31,360 --> 01:47:40,400
but you know it's it's an administrative
thing. So I will it's not my for me to

1044
01:47:36,800 --> 01:47:45,360
to say that. But um generally I u I am
support um and I'm excited to u to

1045
01:47:43,600 --> 01:47:50,000
clarify for the public what this
building is about and you know what it's

1046
01:47:47,440 --> 01:47:53,280
not about. I don't want us to recarve
the stones. That's the only thing I

1047
01:47:51,520 --> 01:47:57,920
don't want us to do. But you know there
are some stones over there that said

1048
01:47:54,719 --> 01:48:02,000
city county building. They're not.
>> They're not

1049
01:47:59,440 --> 01:48:06,639
» Oh, really? I really Chris already.
>> I'm doing some work on my own.

1050
01:48:04,800 --> 01:48:09,440
» You You know, so someone checked the
cameras. Uh Chris is climbing the

1051
01:48:08,960 --> 01:48:13,840
building.
>> It's cute that you think that they would

1052
01:48:10,719 --> 01:48:18,159
let you do that anyway. [laughter]
>> So, but but in general, I I'm I'm

1053
01:48:15,760 --> 01:48:22,080
excited to ensure that when people are
googling, even with a map, they can

1054
01:48:19,840 --> 01:48:29,119
actually find the correct building. Um
so, um thank thank you. Okay. Thank you.

1055
01:48:27,199 --> 01:48:34,639
H council members, we're gonna have to
take another

1056
01:48:30,960 --> 01:48:40,280
um break um
because

1057
01:48:36,719 --> 01:48:40,280
» Okay, never mind.

1058
01:48:40,639 --> 01:48:44,560
» Okay.
>> So, yes. So, we're going to have to take

1059
01:48:42,880 --> 01:48:47,119
a break. Uh we're going to have to take
a break until

1060
01:48:46,560 --> 01:48:53,880
they're good to go.
>> Oh, they're good to go. Oh, okay.

1061
01:48:50,560 --> 01:48:53,880
» That's confusing.

1062
01:48:58,080 --> 01:49:05,199
Alison Roland, we're going to move on to
item number eight, uh,formational

1063
01:49:02,560 --> 01:49:08,960
item, which is Select City's emergency
diversified response programs. Alison

1064
01:49:07,280 --> 01:49:14,159
Roland, council policy analyst at the
table. Andrew Johnson, senior advisor.

1065
01:49:11,040 --> 01:49:17,600
Megan Jul, deputy chief administrative
officer.

1066
01:49:15,760 --> 01:49:21,040
» Thank you, Mr. Chair. This is the first
of a planned series of briefings on the

1067
01:49:19,600 --> 01:49:25,119
elements of the city's diversified
response approaches to public safety.

1068
01:49:23,119 --> 01:49:28,400
Since 2016, the council has supported
the creation of new types of responses

1069
01:49:26,800 --> 01:49:32,639
to public safety challenges and
emergencies. One reason is that the fire

1070
01:49:30,960 --> 01:49:36,639
and police departments have been facing
changes in their work. Specifically,

1071
01:49:34,560 --> 01:49:40,239
there are more calls from or related to
people who are in crisis and have

1072
01:49:38,080 --> 01:49:43,440
nowhere else to turn. In many cases,
these are people who also are

1073
01:49:41,840 --> 01:49:47,600
experiencing homelessness, mental
illness, addiction, or some combination

1074
01:49:45,199 --> 01:49:51,920
of these. Another reason is that
diversified responses can provide more

1075
01:49:50,159 --> 01:49:57,199
effective and efficient alternatives to
mobilizing traditional fire and police

1076
01:49:54,480 --> 01:50:00,239
resources. And the diversified response
teams within these departments can

1077
01:49:58,719 --> 01:50:04,719
provide specialized and ongoing
assistance to help community members

1078
01:50:01,920 --> 01:50:08,719
find the resources they need. Finally,
the diversified response units in other

1079
01:50:06,719 --> 01:50:12,000
departments help mitigate some of the
unintended side effects that

1080
01:50:10,080 --> 01:50:16,719
homelessness, untreated mental illness,
and addiction present for other city

1081
01:50:14,480 --> 01:50:21,040
residents. So, there's a lot to talk
about. Working with Megan and the

1082
01:50:19,440 --> 01:50:24,639
mayor's office, we decided to
concentrate the first briefing in this

1083
01:50:22,639 --> 01:50:28,800
series on an overview of the diversified
response programs and then begin with

1084
01:50:26,560 --> 01:50:33,679
more detail on the fire and police
department's roles.

1085
01:50:31,440 --> 01:50:39,360
So, we're starting today with the
emergency with the

1086
01:50:37,199 --> 01:50:42,800
diversified response uh units that are
characterized in the transmitter as

1087
01:50:40,800 --> 01:50:49,360
emergency responses.
and we anticipate future briefings

1088
01:50:45,280 --> 01:50:54,159
that'll focus on the other four teams uh
in non-emergency

1089
01:50:51,440 --> 01:50:58,239
alter or diversified responses. So, I
will turn it over to Megan and Andrew to

1090
01:50:57,119 --> 01:51:02,159
tell us all about it.
>> Thanks, Alison. Uh first,

1091
01:51:00,960 --> 01:51:04,719
» sorry, really quickly while they're
getting started, just wanted to make

1092
01:51:03,360 --> 01:51:09,360
sure the council members all saw this
handy sheet. So, there's going to be

1093
01:51:06,960 --> 01:51:13,840
lots of acronyms thrown at you, so just
have your sheet ready. [laughter]

1094
01:51:12,000 --> 01:51:18,560
» So, I think Andre, sorry for
interrupting you. Um, we I'm very

1095
01:51:16,239 --> 01:51:23,040
excited to having these briefings
because it's almost like we always

1096
01:51:21,280 --> 01:51:28,239
talking about this in the context of the
budget. Um, and I I was hoping and I

1097
01:51:25,760 --> 01:51:33,920
thank you for for your team and on the
administration side to

1098
01:51:30,560 --> 01:51:37,440
putting time aside for briefing us, but
also for the community, right, to to

1099
01:51:35,920 --> 01:51:42,719
understand all the things that the city
does. Um but I think it's important for

1100
01:51:40,080 --> 01:51:47,280
us to really understand how this whole
thing works. Uh and many times we're

1101
01:51:45,040 --> 01:51:51,440
talking in the context of the budget and
I don't get the time to dive in as like

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01:51:49,760 --> 01:51:55,679
I should. So I'm I'm looking forward to
this. So thank you.

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01:51:52,800 --> 01:52:00,080
» Sure. Uh we're going to try and be as
fast or as slow as you'd like. I'll put

1104
01:51:57,599 --> 01:52:04,159
it that way. Um, that acronym list is
going to be very important because if an

1105
01:52:01,360 --> 01:52:06,880
acronym is put out here by us, um, and
you want to make sure it's clarified for

1106
01:52:05,440 --> 01:52:10,639
the public or for you, just make sure
you ask because there's a lot in there,

1107
01:52:08,560 --> 01:52:13,520
obviously. Uh, Megan's going to do a lot
of the heavy lifting today. She's done a

1108
01:52:12,159 --> 01:52:17,520
ton of work on this. Very, very
knowledgeable. I appreciate you very

1109
01:52:14,960 --> 01:52:21,920
much, Megan. Uh, we also have, uh,
members of emergency dispatch 911, uh,

1110
01:52:20,159 --> 01:52:26,159
fire department and police department
here who can also answer questions uh,

1111
01:52:23,840 --> 01:52:30,880
from their department needs. uh we
talked about dispatches here and then

1112
01:52:28,480 --> 01:52:34,159
Rachel Otto uh apologizes she will be
here she hopes at some point during the

1113
01:52:32,480 --> 01:52:38,639
presentation she'll also be a present
chief of staff of the mayor the first

1114
01:52:37,040 --> 01:52:44,960
two slides I'm going to talk about
fairly quickly um

1115
01:52:42,320 --> 01:52:47,920
introduction for basics the basics are
four out of the eight diversified

1116
01:52:46,239 --> 01:52:52,239
response programs just police and fire
emergency dispatch and then dispatch

1117
01:52:49,920 --> 01:52:56,159
protocol will be important here as well
next slide

1118
01:52:54,239 --> 01:53:00,400
uh this the Key piece here is about
consistency. Uh some of these programs

1119
01:52:58,480 --> 01:53:04,159
have been around for a decade now and
they have evolved to do different needs

1120
01:53:02,560 --> 01:53:08,400
as the city has seen different needs on
the streets, but we tried to be very

1121
01:53:06,000 --> 01:53:13,199
consistent and the next uh slide will
show three pieces to that. First one is

1122
01:53:11,679 --> 01:53:16,320
making sure we're focused on individuals
in need and that's one of the the core

1123
01:53:15,199 --> 01:53:18,719
attributes of this. There's a lot of
people who have needs out there that

1124
01:53:17,599 --> 01:53:22,880
we're trying to address more
specifically have operational

1125
01:53:20,719 --> 01:53:27,199
excellence. That means a lot of things
what you see up there, but also it means

1126
01:53:24,639 --> 01:53:30,880
maximizing city resources and money to
the budget question. Always trying to be

1127
01:53:29,199 --> 01:53:34,880
very efficient and effective with those
resources and then focus on the greater

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01:53:33,040 --> 01:53:38,560
community. Um that's about our public
space to address those public spaces

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01:53:36,719 --> 01:53:42,480
most effectively.
And Megan, I think to you now.

1130
01:53:40,400 --> 01:53:46,000
» Yeah, my turn now. All right, next
slide.

1131
01:53:44,159 --> 01:53:50,800
Okay, so let's start diving into the
programs. I spent a lot of time trying

1132
01:53:48,560 --> 01:53:55,760
to figure out how to best categorize
these so we could chop it down to

1133
01:53:53,119 --> 01:53:59,679
bite-size elements as we go into it. And
the best way I could find to do that was

1134
01:53:57,440 --> 01:54:04,080
to split it between programs that were
more traditional diversified response or

1135
01:54:02,560 --> 01:54:09,280
more emergency [clears throat] response.
So those coming from fire or police and

1136
01:54:07,199 --> 01:54:14,560
on the right side are programs that are
a bit more supportive um supportive

1137
01:54:12,080 --> 01:54:18,960
community services. So that might be um
less traditional diversified response,

1138
01:54:16,960 --> 01:54:24,400
but it is what the community and
business owners are asking us the most

1139
01:54:20,960 --> 01:54:28,639
for. And so they're in response to that.
Next slide.

1140
01:54:26,639 --> 01:54:32,480
Okay. Looking at that big timeline back
to 10 years. I know that this is a bit

1141
01:54:30,960 --> 01:54:36,000
small for you to see all the detail and
that's kind of the point. A lot has

1142
01:54:34,000 --> 01:54:40,159
happened and a lot influenced the way
that these programs were implemented and

1143
01:54:37,599 --> 01:54:47,040
how they've evolved over time. As Andrew
Johnston mentioned, um we've had these

1144
01:54:42,880 --> 01:54:51,360
programs um since 2016 or at least the
one in police, which is our social

1145
01:54:49,119 --> 01:54:55,840
workers at the police department, and
the medical response team and fire.

1146
01:54:53,040 --> 01:54:59,520
Those have been around for 10 years. And
the ones that are circled in black,

1147
01:54:58,080 --> 01:55:03,199
those are the ones we're going to talk
about today.

1148
01:55:00,480 --> 01:55:06,880
» On this slide, the top line is about the
point in time count that's done every

1149
01:55:04,800 --> 01:55:10,320
year by the state. And that shows you
the uh relative increases or decreases

1150
01:55:08,880 --> 01:55:14,159
for those 10 years. And then below
you'll see um some major elements that

1151
01:55:13,040 --> 01:55:18,320
have happened during that time. This is
not exhaustive list of everything that's

1152
01:55:15,440 --> 01:55:22,960
happened in the homeless field.
>> Awesome. Next slide.

1153
01:55:20,880 --> 01:55:27,679
Okay. And before diving in deeper, I do
want to highlight some of the work we

1154
01:55:24,719 --> 01:55:32,960
did through the budget. Uh last year in
fiscal year 26 we consolidated the clean

1155
01:55:30,880 --> 01:55:37,760
city team which resulted in a million
dollars of savings in our advantage

1156
01:55:34,480 --> 01:55:42,080
services contract. In fiscal year 27
public services proposed to make that

1157
01:55:39,520 --> 01:55:47,520
reduction ongoing because they felt that
they were able to be efficient in that

1158
01:55:44,400 --> 01:55:52,239
way in an ongoing manner. And then we
added some additional cuts um that added

1159
01:55:50,239 --> 01:55:59,599
up to about $2 million in the budget
that you um just reviewed. Next slide.

1160
01:55:57,280 --> 01:56:04,400
Okay, back to the flowchart. Um, to
reorient us around the programs, we're

1161
01:56:01,679 --> 01:56:09,560
going to talk about these four starting
with our social workers. Next slide.

1162
01:56:09,599 --> 01:56:18,480
Okay, so first we're talking about first
acronym or probably said a few already.

1163
01:56:15,119 --> 01:56:23,440
Um, CCT, the community connection team.
This is our social workers in the police

1164
01:56:20,480 --> 01:56:28,400
department. Um, these social workers are
providing behavioral health support and

1165
01:56:25,920 --> 01:56:33,679
crisis intervention. They also divert
calls from 911 and co-respond with sworn

1166
01:56:31,199 --> 01:56:41,040
police officers using traumainformed
tools. Next slide.

1167
01:56:37,679 --> 01:56:47,040
Okay. They have 16 FTEEs that are social
workers and they cover the entire city

1168
01:56:44,560 --> 01:56:52,080
um working uh seven days a week 8:00
a.m. to midnight. And these are some of

1169
01:56:49,440 --> 01:56:56,080
the primary call types. If you're
following along with the transmittal we

1170
01:56:54,000 --> 01:57:00,000
sent in, this would be on page eight
where we have a bunch more information

1171
01:56:58,320 --> 01:57:04,880
including some of the metrics that we
collected from each of the teams. Next

1172
01:57:02,719 --> 01:57:09,679
slide.
All right, we have chat next. Community

1173
01:57:07,360 --> 01:57:14,800
health and access team. These are our
social workers in the fire department.

1174
01:57:13,360 --> 01:57:21,679
These social workers have been around
since 2022 and they are um paired with

1175
01:57:19,280 --> 01:57:26,880
MRT which is the medical response team
in fire. I'll talk about that one in a

1176
01:57:23,599 --> 01:57:32,159
minute. Um but they respond alongside
MRT to offer social service care during

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01:57:29,440 --> 01:57:37,520
medical or traumatic emergencies. Next
slide.

1178
01:57:34,719 --> 01:57:42,719
They have seven FTEEs. Um, and the
coverage there, chat five is in fire

1179
01:57:39,920 --> 01:57:48,960
station five, chat six and fire station
six, and I think chat one is uh downtown

1180
01:57:45,840 --> 01:57:54,280
in the PSB to respond from there. Uh,
and then these are some of their primary

1181
01:57:50,960 --> 01:57:54,280
call types.

1182
01:57:54,480 --> 01:58:02,639
Next slide.
Okay, so both of these programs are

1183
01:58:00,080 --> 01:58:07,679
trying to divert calls from sworn
officers and firefighters taking out

1184
01:58:04,639 --> 01:58:12,800
full firet trucks and full teams. Both
programs are using traumainformed

1185
01:58:10,159 --> 01:58:17,520
approaches and they're filling gaps in
case management services. What's a bit

1186
01:58:15,679 --> 01:58:23,040
more unique to the community connection
team and police is that they're also

1187
01:58:19,920 --> 01:58:27,679
doing deescalation support um compared
to chat which is primarily focused on

1188
01:58:25,440 --> 01:58:30,719
emergency room diversion. They're trying
to prevent people from going to the

1189
01:58:29,040 --> 01:58:36,480
emergency room who could receive better
care um right at the site of the need.

1190
01:58:34,400 --> 01:58:40,719
Uh, also unique to the community
connection team is they're doing longer

1191
01:58:38,400 --> 01:58:45,360
term case management and they're also
leading the project connect pilot which

1192
01:58:42,960 --> 01:58:48,719
is one of the um big outcomes from our
public safety steering committee

1193
01:58:46,880 --> 01:58:53,520
meetings that we've been having with a
bunch of stakeholders across the county

1194
01:58:50,400 --> 01:58:57,520
over the past year. Um, chat on the
other hand is doing shorter term case

1195
01:58:55,199 --> 01:59:02,639
management and providing support for
witnesses of traumatic events. Really

1196
01:59:00,000 --> 01:59:10,960
quickly, um just for um those that might
not be aware, uh the public safety plan

1197
01:59:05,520 --> 01:59:16,480
came out of uh legislative ask was it la
a year and a half ago and project

1198
01:59:12,880 --> 01:59:22,400
connect focuses on the top 50 users of
the public safety system where um the

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01:59:19,360 --> 01:59:26,639
city kind of tries and connects deeply
with those people to help them not

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01:59:25,280 --> 01:59:30,400
utilize the system. Is that the right
way to say I mean it might I'm probably

1201
01:59:28,719 --> 01:59:34,880
You're correct. [laughter]
>> So, uh, we the 50 individuals were based

1202
01:59:33,280 --> 01:59:38,000
off of interactions with Salt Lake City
Police Department over the previous 12

1203
01:59:36,400 --> 01:59:44,320
months. That's where that list came
from. And then two social workers from

1204
01:59:40,800 --> 01:59:48,719
the police social work team um began
doing that full-time as their job. So,

1205
01:59:46,960 --> 01:59:51,920
there wasn't a new group sort of hired
to do this. And now, that's been going

1206
01:59:50,880 --> 01:59:54,480
on for a year and a half. We have some
good outcomes from that. We can talk

1207
01:59:53,119 --> 01:59:59,040
through that separately perhaps that's
helpful for you all. Um, I can also say

1208
01:59:56,719 --> 02:00:02,960
that based on the success of that, uh,
the state legislature did, uh, through

1209
02:00:01,119 --> 02:00:06,400
office of homeless services appropriate
money to expand that program this year

1210
02:00:05,119 --> 02:00:09,440
and the police department's working on
that currently.

1211
02:00:07,679 --> 02:00:13,520
» Council member Carlson.
>> Uh, thank you, chair. Um, I think this

1212
02:00:11,520 --> 02:00:18,800
might be connected to my question, which
was, um, under what conditions does the

1213
02:00:16,400 --> 02:00:23,760
CCT provide that long-term case
management? Is it just Project Connect

1214
02:00:21,599 --> 02:00:26,960
individuals? Is it how do how do you
decide who receives this long-term case

1215
02:00:26,480 --> 02:00:32,199
management?
>> Going to ask Christina Zido to come up

1216
02:00:29,199 --> 02:00:32,199
here.

1217
02:00:37,440 --> 02:00:43,920
» Good afternoon. Christina Zido, director
of behavioral health services for Salt

1218
02:00:41,119 --> 02:00:49,520
Lake City Police Department. I oversee
our social work team as one of our um

1219
02:00:47,360 --> 02:00:55,119
one of my responsibilities with the
department. And in terms of meeting

1220
02:00:52,239 --> 02:01:02,239
those longer term case management or
therapy needs, um it really is based

1221
02:00:58,719 --> 02:01:05,520
upon need and then our availability. We
know that there are a lot of gaps in

1222
02:01:03,840 --> 02:01:11,599
insurance coverage for our community
members or members who don't have access

1223
02:01:08,400 --> 02:01:16,800
to care because of lack of insurance.
And so with our severely and

1224
02:01:14,480 --> 02:01:22,159
persistently mentally ill individuals
that we serve regularly, we provide case

1225
02:01:20,080 --> 02:01:26,320
management for them until we're able to
get them connected to a system that's

1226
02:01:23,840 --> 02:01:30,880
really holding and caring for them. So
definitely a bridge support in terms of

1227
02:01:28,560 --> 02:01:35,440
the trauma therapy we do is very
similar. So if we have a community

1228
02:01:33,280 --> 02:01:39,679
member who needs a couple of sessions
until they can get into a longer term

1229
02:01:37,440 --> 02:01:45,040
care therapeutic relationship, we'll
provide that. if they're not going to

1230
02:01:41,760 --> 02:01:49,760
have access to longer term care um
because of whatever their individual or

1231
02:01:47,199 --> 02:01:55,440
family circumstances are, we can also
help stabilize them and make sure that

1232
02:01:52,080 --> 02:02:01,199
they don't continue into crisis um
because we know early intervention

1233
02:01:57,280 --> 02:02:07,040
really stops the the revolving nature of
crisis response.

1234
02:02:04,560 --> 02:02:10,719
concern be true.
>> Is there a way if someone's with us

1235
02:02:09,280 --> 02:02:16,719
longer term, they're going to be
intercepting with other entities across

1236
02:02:13,920 --> 02:02:22,480
this? I mean, the most basic one feels
like the court system at the very least.

1237
02:02:19,520 --> 02:02:26,320
Is there a way that we are coordinating
especially with other state agencies but

1238
02:02:24,400 --> 02:02:30,800
also with other county and publicly
funded agencies to make sure that the

1239
02:02:28,719 --> 02:02:34,719
case management that we're offering is
not only not redundant but is the most

1240
02:02:33,040 --> 02:02:38,199
appropriate out of all that's available
to that person.

1241
02:02:40,159 --> 02:02:47,840
» I have to push harder. [laughter]
That's an excellent question. And I I

1242
02:02:44,480 --> 02:02:53,280
really appreciate that we do have an
interdisiplinary

1243
02:02:49,920 --> 02:02:58,800
community spanning um care coordination
team that we do for the um that is

1244
02:02:57,280 --> 02:03:05,040
separate from project connect. So
project connect is very resource case

1245
02:03:02,000 --> 02:03:10,719
management care coordination focused um
for diversifi for our diversified

1246
02:03:08,239 --> 02:03:17,280
response team where we are seeing you
know oftentimes the same individuals who

1247
02:03:13,040 --> 02:03:21,040
are who are having um issues for a long
period of time and providing care for

1248
02:03:18,960 --> 02:03:26,320
them. We are working with all of the
other community providers to understand

1249
02:03:23,760 --> 02:03:32,080
which systems they're intersecting with,
where they've successfully connected for

1250
02:03:28,800 --> 02:03:35,840
services previously, um, and and
coordinating care with them so that we

1251
02:03:33,760 --> 02:03:40,239
don't have duplicative services so that
we don't have gaps in communication

1252
02:03:38,000 --> 02:03:44,000
around needs. The coordination of that
team is very much on the behavioral

1253
02:03:42,320 --> 02:03:47,440
health side of things. It doesn't
intersect with the co court system in

1254
02:03:46,000 --> 02:03:54,960
the way that Project Connect care
coordination does. Um but it is a system

1255
02:03:50,960 --> 02:03:58,000
where we can um bring in other community
members to make sure that that

1256
02:03:56,480 --> 02:04:04,000
individual we're serving is really
getting what they need to reduce um

1257
02:04:01,199 --> 02:04:09,520
their their trauma.
>> Generally if I fair to say generally if

1258
02:04:07,440 --> 02:04:13,440
an individual is struggling outside say
right now if they're in a program the

1259
02:04:11,679 --> 02:04:17,520
program will oftentimes provide a case
management part to it. If they're not in

1260
02:04:16,000 --> 02:04:19,920
a program, they probably don't have case
management because there's not sort of

1261
02:04:18,719 --> 02:04:23,199
floating case management in the
community like that these days. What

1262
02:04:21,840 --> 02:04:26,480
happens with the police department is
they'll sort of see, I know this person

1263
02:04:24,800 --> 02:04:29,760
over many, many months over and over
again. They're calling 911. They're in

1264
02:04:28,000 --> 02:04:33,360
crisis. So, the police department will
say, it's in our best interest to try

1265
02:04:31,040 --> 02:04:36,000
and stabilize them ourselves while we
try and get them into a program that

1266
02:04:34,719 --> 02:04:39,119
would have the own case management. Is
that fair to say? So, it's sort of

1267
02:04:37,679 --> 02:04:43,599
self-s serving some way for the police
department to make sure that it's

1268
02:04:40,320 --> 02:04:48,000
decreasing the crisis stuff. Um but also
we just don't have sort of generally

1269
02:04:45,599 --> 02:04:51,440
speaking floating case managers in the
entire sort of valley just helping

1270
02:04:49,520 --> 02:04:55,760
people through the system. Um that's
something that I think ideally we'd love

1271
02:04:53,280 --> 02:04:59,679
to have but is really program based at
this point.

1272
02:04:56,960 --> 02:05:03,840
» So then we one of our primary goals here
is making sure that the judicial branch

1273
02:05:01,599 --> 02:05:10,159
of the city has what it needs to keep
up. And so one of the LDA requests was

1274
02:05:07,360 --> 02:05:14,560
that they need social workers. And so if
you're seeing these people, I'm assuming

1275
02:05:11,520 --> 02:05:22,560
LDA is is a it's a likely collaborator
on the list of people who are on this

1276
02:05:17,040 --> 02:05:27,840
top 50. And so are we able to mitigate
expenses elsewhere in the city budget? I

1277
02:05:25,360 --> 02:05:33,119
I'm I'm not looking to short change. I I
was a case manager, believe fully in it,

1278
02:05:30,480 --> 02:05:36,560
but I do want to mitigate the
redundancies, especially as we're

1279
02:05:34,560 --> 02:05:41,840
working double and triple time to make
sure that, you know, dimes do the work

1280
02:05:39,199 --> 02:05:47,040
of dollars to make sure that everyone's
resourced well. Um, does this case

1281
02:05:45,280 --> 02:05:53,119
management
help with that alleviate alleviating

1282
02:05:49,679 --> 02:05:57,040
that need later in the pipeline?
>> Potentially. I think we are able to

1283
02:05:55,199 --> 02:06:02,080
bring different resources to the table
oftent times and we I mean the LDA

1284
02:06:00,080 --> 02:06:08,239
social work team is probably probably
one of our closest collaborators outside

1285
02:06:04,239 --> 02:06:12,719
of the chat team. Um we work with those
with those teams continually. Um we

1286
02:06:11,360 --> 02:06:19,280
probably talk to them several times a
day honestly. Um and so sometimes it's

1287
02:06:17,119 --> 02:06:24,159
it's a matter of who's going to hold the
individual at what point in their

1288
02:06:21,199 --> 02:06:27,599
journey. Um, but part of that
collaboration meeting really is saying,

1289
02:06:26,000 --> 02:06:31,760
"Okay,
you know, LDA, they're in Project Rio.

1290
02:06:30,159 --> 02:06:35,119
We're keeping them with you and we'll
let you know if we run into them and if

1291
02:06:33,599 --> 02:06:39,119
they're coming to us for additional
needs. They are now yours." Okay.

1292
02:06:37,040 --> 02:06:43,119
» Okay. VA hop,
>> you have been working with this person

1293
02:06:40,639 --> 02:06:47,679
and have had a very successful
relationship with them. They are yours.

1294
02:06:45,679 --> 02:06:50,719
Let we will let you know if we run into
them, okay?

1295
02:06:48,480 --> 02:06:56,560
» But you're holding them. And so there
there's so many people with so many

1296
02:06:52,560 --> 02:07:01,199
needs in the community that um we just
functionally need to reduce overlap

1297
02:06:58,639 --> 02:07:08,000
because we can't get to everyone and
help everyone. Um so I think we really

1298
02:07:03,760 --> 02:07:13,280
have created a pretty functional um not
overlapping but collaborating system.

1299
02:07:10,719 --> 02:07:17,599
One of the challenges always comes up is
communication and silos. That

1300
02:07:15,199 --> 02:07:22,000
coordination meeting reduces a lot of
those. um in addition to our excellent

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02:07:20,239 --> 02:07:26,599
relationships with all of the those
community providers.

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02:07:23,360 --> 02:07:26,599
» Thank you.

1303
02:07:29,440 --> 02:07:34,880
» Okay, we're about to transition away
from the social workers. So, any other

1304
02:07:33,440 --> 02:07:39,280
questions we want to pause on? Of
course, we can come back, but just want

1305
02:07:36,880 --> 02:07:47,599
to open that door.
>> Okay. Um I I guess not not really much

1306
02:07:43,679 --> 02:07:53,199
of much much of a question but I um uh
there are obviously

1307
02:07:49,599 --> 02:07:59,119
you know two different tools um and I
will I you know one of the things that I

1308
02:07:55,840 --> 02:08:10,079
think it's it's uh it wasn't clear for
me for for a while um that um

1309
02:08:05,040 --> 02:08:15,840
you when someone calls uh 911 uh for you
know how do you know which one to send

1310
02:08:12,639 --> 02:08:19,040
and how do you how do you uh decide okay
we're going to send the chat team or

1311
02:08:17,199 --> 02:08:23,199
we're going to send the other team uh I
think that will be important for the

1312
02:08:20,400 --> 02:08:29,199
community to know um uh because there
are differences as you highlighted here

1313
02:08:26,159 --> 02:08:34,560
um and and you also put it in the slide
that there's only a 6% overlap when you

1314
02:08:31,760 --> 02:08:40,400
know you're sending both teams uh which
is you know quite fascinating so the

1315
02:08:37,440 --> 02:08:42,639
majority is not getting both teams. Um,
so I would love a little more

1316
02:08:41,599 --> 02:08:45,679
information on that.
>> Yeah, we received that question in

1317
02:08:44,079 --> 02:08:49,520
advance and we're able to put a little
bit in here. I'm not sure if it'll go to

1318
02:08:47,760 --> 02:08:54,000
quite enough detail, but I feel like
it'll help us know where to dig in

1319
02:08:51,760 --> 02:08:58,000
further, but I learned a lot about how
those calls get pathed and it I think I

1320
02:08:56,239 --> 02:09:02,719
have a better understanding and we'll
get into that after going through the

1321
02:09:00,480 --> 02:09:08,400
other two teams. That sounds good. Just
for some clarity on the overlap. If we

1322
02:09:04,800 --> 02:09:12,239
do come out into the same call
as professionals, we have the

1323
02:09:10,079 --> 02:09:18,639
conversation about who stays for the
call or who leaves or if it's a large

1324
02:09:14,960 --> 02:09:23,119
traumatic event. We're both there and um
we're bringing all of our resources to

1325
02:09:20,560 --> 02:09:27,920
bear because we need that that many
resources, but we're very cognizant of

1326
02:09:25,599 --> 02:09:35,280
the amount of work that and demand that
the city needs. And so um in that 6%

1327
02:09:32,560 --> 02:09:40,239
very very few are the responses where we
need both teams um and the preponderance

1328
02:09:37,920 --> 02:09:44,800
of the time is that we're clearing one
team or the other depending on what the

1329
02:09:42,560 --> 02:09:48,719
issue is and who's best suited to manage
it.

1330
02:09:45,760 --> 02:09:54,000
» Thank you.
>> Thank you.

1331
02:09:51,040 --> 02:09:58,800
» All right. Next slide.
We're going to move to more of the

1332
02:09:55,920 --> 02:10:04,719
safety and medical work. So outside of
social work here, um starting with PCRT,

1333
02:10:02,239 --> 02:10:09,840
which is the police community response
team, uh these are nonsworn public

1334
02:10:07,760 --> 02:10:14,880
safety officers, and it's a program that
was implemented in 2023.

1335
02:10:12,239 --> 02:10:18,880
They divert low priority calls away from
sworn officers, freeing up sworn

1336
02:10:17,040 --> 02:10:23,199
officers for more dangerous calls coming
to 911. So basically responding to

1337
02:10:21,280 --> 02:10:29,679
anything that doesn't require a sworn
officer. Next slide.

1338
02:10:26,719 --> 02:10:34,079
They have 16 FTEEs and they respond
citywide during the hours that u the

1339
02:10:32,480 --> 02:10:37,679
police department determines that they
are needed most. You can see that

1340
02:10:36,159 --> 02:10:41,920
there's different hours throughout the
week and that's where they've determined

1341
02:10:39,440 --> 02:10:46,760
the need is and these are some of the
call types that they'll be sent out on.

1342
02:10:50,880 --> 02:10:58,960
Next slide.
All right, on to the next the last one.

1343
02:10:55,440 --> 02:11:04,480
So last hopefully acronym for the night
uh MRT, the medical response team and

1344
02:11:01,520 --> 02:11:08,719
fire. Um this like the police social
workers is the other one that's been

1345
02:11:05,920 --> 02:11:14,960
around since a decade for a decade. Um
these are paramedics who are using

1346
02:11:10,800 --> 02:11:21,599
smaller vehicles to uh answer uh medical
calls faster and just easier. Uh so they

1347
02:11:19,360 --> 02:11:26,320
are responding to everything aside from
the priority one calls

1348
02:11:24,400 --> 02:11:30,560
» and I'll just share just some budget
context of the origin of the medical

1349
02:11:28,719 --> 02:11:35,199
response team. It was actually um the
council really challenging the fire

1350
02:11:32,159 --> 02:11:40,960
department because of how expensive fire
vehicles are and how um hard they are on

1351
02:11:38,320 --> 02:11:45,199
not just our roads but the environment
um and how expensive they are to replace

1352
02:11:42,480 --> 02:11:47,760
and expensive to service. Um the council
at the time challenged the fire

1353
02:11:46,320 --> 02:11:51,920
department to come up with a way to
respond to medical calls because the

1354
02:11:50,079 --> 02:11:57,920
vast majority of calls to the fire
department are medical. Um and so credit

1355
02:11:55,360 --> 02:12:01,840
to the fire team for um coming up with
this program because I think it's shown

1356
02:11:59,520 --> 02:12:08,159
to be really successful and has saved
the city a ton of money and emissions.

1357
02:12:05,591 --> 02:12:11,760
[laughter] to to put context in 2016
when it began there was a big shelter on

1358
02:12:10,239 --> 02:12:16,239
Rio Grand Street downtown and that was
the only shelter along with the uh

1359
02:12:14,560 --> 02:12:18,800
Weaggan Center St. Vincent Depal across
the street and the forestry medical

1360
02:12:17,440 --> 02:12:23,520
clinic. So everything was concentrated
in that really core downtown area. Um so

1361
02:12:21,360 --> 02:12:26,800
it really if you can imagine a thousand
people who were using those services

1362
02:12:25,040 --> 02:12:31,599
every day and trying to get all the
vehicles in um multiple times per day um

1363
02:12:30,079 --> 02:12:35,599
you can see sort of the need. Now, the
spread out nature now is still useful

1364
02:12:33,840 --> 02:12:40,520
that way, but you can kind of imagine
what it was like in 16 versus today,

1365
02:12:37,520 --> 02:12:40,520
too.

1366
02:12:40,719 --> 02:12:50,560
» All right, next slide.
MRT has 17 FTEEs. Um, and they are

1367
02:12:48,079 --> 02:12:55,360
available approximately 7:30 a.m. to
8:30 p.m. Monday through Saturday. As I

1368
02:12:53,199 --> 02:13:00,560
mentioned before, they will co-respond
with chat when chat is staffed.

1369
02:12:58,719 --> 02:13:05,360
Uh, and as I mentioned before as well,
they respond to all calls that are lower

1370
02:13:03,599 --> 02:13:08,480
than priority one. And they will
sometimes also respond to priority one

1371
02:13:07,040 --> 02:13:15,199
calls. They're just not the primary
dispatch for those ones.

1372
02:13:12,000 --> 02:13:18,800
Next slide.
All right. So, these teams are a little

1373
02:13:17,040 --> 02:13:21,920
bit different. Easier to see the
difference between them there, but I'm

1374
02:13:20,079 --> 02:13:27,199
still going to compare contrast here a
little bit. Um, they are both focused on

1375
02:13:24,880 --> 02:13:31,360
call diversion from sworn officers and
firefighters.

1376
02:13:28,800 --> 02:13:36,320
uh they are trying to enable faster
responses for all um call priority

1377
02:13:34,480 --> 02:13:41,840
levels and the data shown in the report
that we transmitted indicates that we

1378
02:13:38,719 --> 02:13:46,880
are seeing faster responses both um in
high priority calls and low priority

1379
02:13:43,599 --> 02:13:50,880
calls when these teams are in service.
Um and also the efficiency piece

1380
02:13:48,960 --> 02:13:56,400
mobilizing fewer or less costly
resources um to solve the same problems

1381
02:13:53,920 --> 02:14:01,119
um was part of both of these teams.
What's unique to PCRT is they're doing

1382
02:13:58,639 --> 02:14:06,400
more incident traffic management work,
but they can support both police and

1383
02:14:03,360 --> 02:14:10,480
fire um in emergencies. And fire has
actually expressed that how much they

1384
02:14:08,719 --> 02:14:14,880
appreciate the support of PCRT when
there's a major fire to keep uh traffic

1385
02:14:13,040 --> 02:14:20,320
cleared out and make sure that they have
space um to do the work they need to do.

1386
02:14:17,599 --> 02:14:24,719
What's unique to MRT is doing more
health treatment work and decreasing our

1387
02:14:23,040 --> 02:14:29,520
environmental impact with those smaller
vehicles.

1388
02:14:26,800 --> 02:14:32,079
Okay, now we're going to dive into 911.
Sorry, let's

1389
02:14:30,800 --> 02:14:41,440
» trying to ask the questions as they're
coming up. Um, uh, I saw for the MRT

1390
02:14:36,639 --> 02:14:48,320
and, um, for the chat team both
referenced, um, some pretty incredible

1391
02:14:45,040 --> 02:14:52,079
statistics about 100% warm handoff and
this was in the administrative

1392
02:14:49,840 --> 02:14:56,719
transmitt. Can you talk about what does
a warm handoff look like and what comes

1393
02:14:55,440 --> 02:15:02,679
after that?
>> I could, but I think Assistant Chief

1394
02:14:58,639 --> 02:15:02,679
Milton would do a better job.

1395
02:15:09,119 --> 02:15:16,880
» Okay. Good afternoon. Uh, Assistant
Chief Chris Mill. I'm overseeing the

1396
02:15:14,159 --> 02:15:21,360
medical division where our MRT and Chat
uh live and provide services for that.

1397
02:15:19,360 --> 02:15:27,599
So, uh, the question was about warm
handoff. Um, as was mentioned with our

1398
02:15:25,679 --> 02:15:31,760
chat program, we're [clears throat] not
as involved in long-term case

1399
02:15:29,599 --> 02:15:36,480
management, but that warm handoff would
be ever would be to whatever appropriate

1400
02:15:34,480 --> 02:15:40,960
service that person needs. That could be
elderly services, that could be

1401
02:15:38,079 --> 02:15:46,719
substance abuse uh services, uh,
homeless services. So, um, whatever the

1402
02:15:44,000 --> 02:15:50,159
social worker decides is the appropriate
need for that person, they would do

1403
02:15:48,400 --> 02:15:56,239
everything that they could to make that
make sure that handoff happens.

1404
02:15:54,320 --> 02:16:01,520
» Sorry for the follow-up. So, is it like
here's the phone number to call? Is it

1405
02:15:58,719 --> 02:16:05,040
like I'm going to walk with you down to
get to this place? What is what does a

1406
02:16:03,920 --> 02:16:09,679
warm handoff look like?
>> It is a combination of all of that,

1407
02:16:06,880 --> 02:16:13,840
right? because um some people are will
more willing to take those services,

1408
02:16:11,679 --> 02:16:18,800
others are not. So sometimes it's just a
matter of getting that person's cell

1409
02:16:16,639 --> 02:16:26,000
number for followup, which our chat from
the PSB can do. Sometimes it is a

1410
02:16:21,360 --> 02:16:30,320
handoff to uh other community uh
resources. Sometimes it's up to the ER

1411
02:16:28,480 --> 02:16:35,439
and helping them get into the
appropriate service at the ER or mental

1412
02:16:33,200 --> 02:16:41,599
health facilities. So really a
combination of all of those. Whatever

1413
02:16:37,920 --> 02:16:46,880
that person is willing to accept and
take steps towards that service, that's

1414
02:16:44,000 --> 02:16:51,200
what we're trying to facilitate.
>> I'll say in generally when we say a

1415
02:16:49,200 --> 02:16:55,519
referral, it can mean anything. Um
sometimes it's electronic where I've met

1416
02:16:53,519 --> 02:16:58,240
with you and you say you should go do
this and they put it into electronic

1417
02:16:57,040 --> 02:17:02,719
system and then you're supposed to show
up at some point or email which doesn't

1418
02:17:00,559 --> 02:17:06,399
work for a lot of these folks obviously.
Um, a referral could also be, well,

1419
02:17:04,399 --> 02:17:10,880
here's the card, go call them and
they'll help take care of you, which is

1420
02:17:07,920 --> 02:17:13,920
also a referral. Um, generally, and that
could be a part of it as well, but I

1421
02:17:12,319 --> 02:17:18,000
think the effort oftentimes in their
teams is a warm one, which is face to

1422
02:17:15,760 --> 02:17:21,120
face as much as possible, phone call to
phone call, whatever it is to sort of

1423
02:17:19,519 --> 02:17:25,200
talk to the individual, talk through the
situation, physically get them there

1424
02:17:23,280 --> 02:17:29,200
perhaps. I think that's all part of that
concept. Uh, as much as they're able to

1425
02:17:27,439 --> 02:17:33,439
do that, is that fair?
>> Very, very much so. Additionally,

1426
02:17:31,920 --> 02:17:38,559
sometimes it doesn't happen right there,
but with followup, you can further

1427
02:17:36,240 --> 02:17:44,359
facilitate that warm handoff, maybe at
another time when they're more open to

1428
02:17:40,080 --> 02:17:44,359
accepting that that help.

1429
02:17:49,760 --> 02:17:59,359
Any more questions? I think that might
be it, right? Is that Yes. Go ahead.

1430
02:17:56,719 --> 02:18:06,319
» Thank you. Um, so I appreciate this
overview and yes I so I guess I think a

1431
02:18:03,439 --> 02:18:11,040
couple of things. So one is is that I
have been here for several years and I

1432
02:18:08,880 --> 02:18:16,880
still sometimes struggle with the
acronym pieces and I think that that's

1433
02:18:13,760 --> 02:18:22,240
also like noted not just as like a
council member but also as members of

1434
02:18:19,280 --> 02:18:27,920
the public. And so I would wonder like
if there's opportunities to be able to

1435
02:18:24,559 --> 02:18:32,160
maybe like whether it's a graphic or you
know looking at the naming conventions

1436
02:18:30,160 --> 02:18:38,240
just to make it like that much more
clear on like what is the purpose what

1437
02:18:35,120 --> 02:18:42,880
does this group do um and then that way
when you interact and engage with them

1438
02:18:40,399 --> 02:18:47,200
you know who to thank you know because I
think that sometimes also that does get

1439
02:18:45,040 --> 02:18:52,639
confusing where you're like well I I
receive services but I don't know from

1440
02:18:49,200 --> 02:18:56,319
who you know and and we we do I have a
lot of residents who want to be able to

1441
02:18:54,319 --> 02:19:01,120
provide their gratitude related to
having different different entities come

1442
02:18:58,880 --> 02:19:06,319
out. So I think the messaging
slashcommunication side of this has an

1443
02:19:03,840 --> 02:19:12,240
opportunity for a little more clarity.
Um because the other side of of that is

1444
02:19:10,000 --> 02:19:18,160
that when I look at a lot of these
pieces, I also think to myself like how

1445
02:19:15,439 --> 02:19:24,080
many folks know how many folks know, you
know, because it's not usually by by

1446
02:19:21,519 --> 02:19:28,319
just the basis of the triage of the
incident. It's not something that's

1447
02:19:26,000 --> 02:19:33,599
going to be on the front page of, you
know, the Salt Lake Trib um or at the

1448
02:19:30,719 --> 02:19:40,240
top of your your screen or scroll bar.
And you know, yet it's such an important

1449
02:19:36,719 --> 02:19:45,840
need in terms of being able to help our
citizens and our residents understand

1450
02:19:42,880 --> 02:19:49,760
that we have more than just the fire
department explicitly as you, you know,

1451
02:19:48,240 --> 02:19:53,120
think about it, learning about it in
elementary school and the police

1452
02:19:51,280 --> 02:19:57,760
department, you know, when you learn
about those concepts. And I think kind

1453
02:19:55,520 --> 02:20:03,920
of broadening that understanding and
education would be it for me at least is

1454
02:20:01,600 --> 02:20:09,200
really important for my neighbors to
understand because there are a lot of

1455
02:20:07,120 --> 02:20:14,720
things that are in the media right now
that can lead folks to questioning like

1456
02:20:12,000 --> 02:20:18,800
where are my taxpayer dollars going and
what types of services are we providing

1457
02:20:16,960 --> 02:20:24,720
to address different needs that I'm
seeing? And so I think that you know as

1458
02:20:22,080 --> 02:20:29,760
we look at whether it's it's the naming
and the communications aspect and or

1459
02:20:27,920 --> 02:20:34,080
just helping our residents kind of
understand how the suite of services

1460
02:20:32,080 --> 02:20:40,720
complement each other I think only
benefits us as a city to be able to then

1461
02:20:37,680 --> 02:20:45,680
you know support both an understanding
of what we have but also future

1462
02:20:42,880 --> 02:20:51,520
conversations about resourcing you know
because I'll I'll use one of my examples

1463
02:20:48,399 --> 02:20:56,080
that keeps coming up um which is you
know when I'm talking to people about

1464
02:20:53,439 --> 02:21:01,359
the opportunity to expand to an
additional chat team um you know as soon

1465
02:20:59,200 --> 02:21:05,680
as I say that to any of these wonderful
individuals they know exactly what I'm

1466
02:21:03,280 --> 02:21:10,479
talking about but when I talk about it
at the dinner table or with neighbors or

1467
02:21:08,240 --> 02:21:14,960
residents or while I'm out on a walk
like what's chat like I don't know what

1468
02:21:12,319 --> 02:21:19,280
that is you know and for me I want that
to be something where folks know like

1469
02:21:17,439 --> 02:21:23,520
they know what that resource is they
know what it means and what they're

1470
02:21:20,960 --> 02:21:28,720
doing in our city and how it supports
the overall ecosystem of how we're

1471
02:21:26,160 --> 02:21:34,479
treating people with humanity in their
moments of of highest need. So, um thank

1472
02:21:32,000 --> 02:21:40,080
you. I think this was so valuable. And
to like the eight people online who are

1473
02:21:36,560 --> 02:21:46,160
watching, yes, that's a start. Um, but I
would love to see that, you know, taken

1474
02:21:42,800 --> 02:21:51,359
a step or two further so that we have a
broader vocabulary for folks to be aware

1475
02:21:49,120 --> 02:21:54,359
of how comprehensive the city
approaches.

1476
02:21:56,720 --> 02:22:03,920
» I'll just thank you for that perspective
and we can certainly do more. We we have

1477
02:22:01,760 --> 02:22:07,920
had some really good coverage in the
news lately and we our community

1478
02:22:06,160 --> 02:22:12,880
relations division can do more on that
but definitely noted about your

1479
02:22:10,720 --> 02:22:17,479
perspective and how we can get that out
get that word out and promote that team.

1480
02:22:17,760 --> 02:22:29,760
Um I this is why you know having this
deeper discussion about the work that uh

1481
02:22:25,760 --> 02:22:35,439
and this is one um this uh is going to
be a series of presentations. So I I

1482
02:22:33,359 --> 02:22:41,520
mean understanding the level of work
that the city is doing. Um also

1483
02:22:39,680 --> 02:22:45,359
it just amazes me that is we're talking
about a portion of the things that the

1484
02:22:43,600 --> 02:22:49,840
city does on this on this topic and
we're talking about almost 60 people uh

1485
02:22:47,200 --> 02:22:55,358
right now. Almost 60 people are working
day in and day out on mitigating uh this

1486
02:22:52,880 --> 02:22:59,200
crisis in our streets. Um and that
[snorts] is just a portion of the other

1487
02:22:57,359 --> 02:23:04,960
tools that we haven't talked about it
yet. Um, so to me, um, when many of our

1488
02:23:03,520 --> 02:23:10,880
neighbors talk about what are what is
Salt Lake City doing, we should be able

1489
02:23:07,359 --> 02:23:16,240
to quickly say this is what we're doing
and our taxpayers are actually,

1490
02:23:14,560 --> 02:23:23,280
you know, paying for this. The Salt Lake
City taxpayers are are trying to solve a

1491
02:23:19,359 --> 02:23:28,720
statewide crisis. Um, and we are trying
to do it with our own dollars. Um, and I

1492
02:23:26,240 --> 02:23:34,800
I'm so incredibly thankful for all the
people and and the city team that are uh

1493
02:23:31,920 --> 02:23:40,640
working so hard on on trying to um
mitigate this crisis in our streets. Um,

1494
02:23:37,520 --> 02:23:47,359
and I I'm thankful to know this this
information. I um I often um

1495
02:23:45,280 --> 02:23:54,240
unfortunately and maybe it happens to
you uh u that someone will call me and

1496
02:23:51,040 --> 02:23:59,200
says I don't know where to go. Uh I have
a family member that is struggling with

1497
02:23:56,000 --> 02:24:02,479
something. Um and I sometimes don't know
where to go myself, right? Like I don't

1498
02:24:01,120 --> 02:24:09,280
know where to call them. I don't even
know who to ask. So I I hope that the

1499
02:24:06,640 --> 02:24:16,160
information uh could be more easily
accessible for the community uh to know

1500
02:24:12,880 --> 02:24:22,160
um to know and uh I I do appreciate this
this the time that you guys put together

1501
02:24:18,160 --> 02:24:24,800
to to to put this uh this together. One
of

1502
02:24:23,280 --> 02:24:31,200
No, one of the questions that always
comes out during the budget is about

1503
02:24:26,720 --> 02:24:37,840
data and metrics. Um, and I would like
to know um, with all of these teams,

1504
02:24:35,600 --> 02:24:43,200
including the the ones that we're not
talking about today that they are

1505
02:24:40,160 --> 02:24:49,040
somehow under the purview of of the
city. Um, are we sharing information?

1506
02:24:46,000 --> 02:24:57,120
Are we using one system or multiple
systems to track cases or interactions

1507
02:24:53,040 --> 02:25:01,920
or h how is it that data being managed
from the city side and does the state

1508
02:25:00,080 --> 02:25:05,399
know that we're doing this? I guess is
my question sometimes?

1509
02:25:07,040 --> 02:25:13,359
» I think my understanding is they're not
tracking on systems together. Um do you

1510
02:25:12,640 --> 02:25:18,399
have more?
>> Yeah. So, um, this is a big discussion,

1511
02:25:16,880 --> 02:25:21,760
probably more than we have a few minutes
here for, but I think it'd be a good

1512
02:25:20,080 --> 02:25:24,880
discussion to have with everybody. The
fire department has a tracking system

1513
02:25:23,200 --> 02:25:29,359
and data. Police department has a
tracking system and data. Um, and 911

1514
02:25:27,120 --> 02:25:33,280
works with both of those, I believe. Um,
the social workers, depending on the

1515
02:25:30,880 --> 02:25:37,920
situation, will track stuff in their
respective database. Um, but not

1516
02:25:35,600 --> 02:25:41,359
necessarily with the statewide database.
So the statewide database for say

1517
02:25:39,520 --> 02:25:45,280
homeless management information systems
doesn't necessarily include this

1518
02:25:42,720 --> 02:25:48,479
information when they go to the hospital
for a lot of these teams that may be the

1519
02:25:46,720 --> 02:25:51,840
destination for a lot of folks. The
hospital has its own tracking system and

1520
02:25:50,240 --> 02:25:54,960
if they bill Medicaid it's a tracking
system there and the hospital

1521
02:25:52,960 --> 02:25:59,600
proprietary track. You see how this kind
of works now. So yes it is a great

1522
02:25:57,520 --> 02:26:03,040
point. We would love a system that would
have everything integrated. I think a

1523
02:26:01,439 --> 02:26:07,280
lot of what we do in the city is
actively manage our own internal systems

1524
02:26:04,880 --> 02:26:10,720
to provide this um to external partners
as we need but it's not necessarily a

1525
02:26:08,800 --> 02:26:13,520
forward- facing system and there's
nothing that I'm aware of that takes

1526
02:26:12,240 --> 02:26:18,000
everything to account for the whole
system. Now the lifeman work at the

1527
02:26:15,520 --> 02:26:22,880
county is talking about that issue
itself um and really taking that on to

1528
02:26:20,720 --> 02:26:26,240
some extent. It's a really big ask but
that'd be a great place to start um

1529
02:26:24,800 --> 02:26:30,920
focusing some energy to make sure that
we're all integrated outside of the city

1530
02:26:27,680 --> 02:26:30,920
as well.

1531
02:26:31,040 --> 02:26:36,560
I think I heard you know from the team
on some of the requests from the Lifman

1532
02:26:35,040 --> 02:26:41,840
group you know that that is one of the
goals is trying to make sure that the

1533
02:26:38,800 --> 02:26:44,560
databases and the data from I'm not
talking necessarily they were not

1534
02:26:43,200 --> 02:26:48,319
necessarily talking about the city they
were talking about the all of the other

1535
02:26:46,080 --> 02:26:52,560
tools talking to each other which uh I
think will help um understand the the

1536
02:26:50,720 --> 02:26:56,000
problem and identify the solutions
better. Council member Petro,

1537
02:26:54,560 --> 02:27:00,800
» I know when they go to the hospital,
there are HIPPA protections that make

1538
02:26:57,920 --> 02:27:04,560
sharing data more difficult and I'm a
heavy advocate for people who are in

1539
02:27:03,120 --> 02:27:09,600
crisis or need our help should not have
their dignity compromised. So, I

1540
02:27:06,319 --> 02:27:13,200
wouldn't want anything that like puts
pictures of people out there or

1541
02:27:11,120 --> 02:27:18,800
anything. But are there other barriers
to is it is it a systemic issue just

1542
02:27:16,479 --> 02:27:22,640
with because of the siloed nature in
which these things kind of popped up

1543
02:27:20,319 --> 02:27:27,120
that we don't have a way to share data
or are there other barriers to us being

1544
02:27:24,960 --> 02:27:31,120
able to share data first within the city
and then with other with other agencies

1545
02:27:28,800 --> 02:27:35,920
outside of us?
>> Well to make some really big

1546
02:27:33,120 --> 02:27:41,920
generalizations and statements here that
uh I may regret later.

1547
02:27:39,760 --> 02:27:47,680
Generally speaking, data will follow
funding and um getting paid for a

1548
02:27:44,880 --> 02:27:50,800
service, right? And so if you want to
get a lot of robust data, you got to

1549
02:27:49,439 --> 02:27:54,399
find out who's billing for what service
and where and how they're doing it. With

1550
02:27:52,720 --> 02:27:58,880
a lot of the folks we're talking about
who interact with these diversified

1551
02:27:56,160 --> 02:28:03,120
response um groups, um they're probably
Medicaid eligible or have Medicaid. When

1552
02:28:00,640 --> 02:28:06,000
they get to a provider like a hospital,
the provider is doing a service and

1553
02:28:04,640 --> 02:28:10,880
billing Medicare for that service. So
there's some accountability there. Each

1554
02:28:08,720 --> 02:28:15,600
hospital system is different. University
of Utah for Medicaid as a Medicaid

1555
02:28:12,560 --> 02:28:19,200
provider, Inter Mountain um health for
their system. Uh if you end up at a

1556
02:28:17,680 --> 02:28:23,120
small provider, it could be the county
system or through the state as well. So

1557
02:28:21,359 --> 02:28:26,080
you can get a sense there's proprietary
about what software they're using and

1558
02:28:24,640 --> 02:28:31,600
how they're billing it, who they're
billing for. Um and then to your point,

1559
02:28:29,760 --> 02:28:37,040
everyone wants to make sure that they
are safe from legal issues.

1560
02:28:34,960 --> 02:28:41,359
Um all of these protections were meant
to protect somebody but not necessarily

1561
02:28:38,720 --> 02:28:44,880
restrict access to care. So even health
care providers can for continuity of

1562
02:28:43,520 --> 02:28:49,600
care share information between
themselves and they do a lot but it does

1563
02:28:48,080 --> 02:28:53,359
mean some paperwork and it does mean
some transfer of information. So the

1564
02:28:51,600 --> 02:28:57,280
system is not as seamless as probably
most people would like. Um that's why

1565
02:28:55,280 --> 02:29:00,640
it's a very big lift for many years to
try to take on all those systems

1566
02:28:58,880 --> 02:29:03,920
together and figure out are you going to
share a common system economy language?

1567
02:29:02,640 --> 02:29:09,520
are you going to agree to the legal
parameters of this so we don't um

1568
02:29:06,479 --> 02:29:13,600
sacrifice personal dignity and safety um
for continuity of care across different

1569
02:29:11,200 --> 02:29:17,200
systems? And then when we talk about um
trying to get our our first responders

1570
02:29:15,439 --> 02:29:20,160
integrated into that, that's a whole
another level, right? Because they're

1571
02:29:18,560 --> 02:29:23,920
not necessarily healthare workers in
that sense. And so some healthcare

1572
02:29:22,240 --> 02:29:28,319
agencies may be a little dubious about
allowing police social workers in their

1573
02:29:25,840 --> 02:29:30,960
systems and fire, etc., even though they
may see there's some benefit

1574
02:29:29,359 --> 02:29:35,000
potentially. So there's a lot of that
you have to work through over time.

1575
02:29:35,040 --> 02:29:43,920
» Yeah. Um just additional support in
context. So like the entire state of

1576
02:29:41,680 --> 02:29:48,640
Utah does not have a single student
information system across all of K12.

1577
02:29:46,800 --> 02:29:54,640
Like we've yet to be able to achieve
that and that is a single government

1578
02:29:51,040 --> 02:29:59,840
entity that oversees that. Um so I
appreciate that the lift is large. I

1579
02:29:57,280 --> 02:30:04,880
guess my my takeaway and my support for
continuing the conversation is that

1580
02:30:02,479 --> 02:30:10,560
there were so many times where we were
this close to doing it. Um, and it was

1581
02:30:08,479 --> 02:30:15,520
one of those, nope, the scope's too
large. Oh, it's going to cost too much

1582
02:30:12,479 --> 02:30:19,760
money, man. It's just too many partners,
you know, connecting on different

1583
02:30:16,720 --> 02:30:25,359
things. And the further away from those
moments we got, the bigger the problems

1584
02:30:22,080 --> 02:30:30,319
got. So, we have to start somewhere. And
even if it's like, you know, chipping

1585
02:30:27,280 --> 02:30:35,680
away at, you know, the major iceberg
that's floating, to me, those are

1586
02:30:32,240 --> 02:30:40,960
valuable efforts in terms of ultimately
creating a pathway towards solution that

1587
02:30:38,240 --> 02:30:44,479
better serves the individuals. One of
the most like interesting quotes that I

1588
02:30:43,040 --> 02:30:49,760
can never take out of my head from like
the K12 space is that students switching

1589
02:30:47,600 --> 02:30:55,040
schools is the equivalent of secondhand
smoke um to individuals in terms of

1590
02:30:52,880 --> 02:30:58,800
their ability to receive the services
they need and for the individuals who

1591
02:30:57,040 --> 02:31:03,439
serve them to have the information they
need to be able to make those services

1592
02:31:00,960 --> 02:31:08,319
happen. And so anything that helps clear
out the smoke, I'm here for. And just

1593
02:31:05,760 --> 02:31:12,800
appreciate the city leaning into those
where it's possible.

1594
02:31:09,840 --> 02:31:16,080
» When I just talked about the 30,000 foot
level of the systems and the

1595
02:31:14,479 --> 02:31:20,479
complexities of those systems on an
aggregate, thousands and hundreds of

1596
02:31:18,080 --> 02:31:25,439
thousands of people. Um, one of the
things about Project Connect, which we

1597
02:31:22,080 --> 02:31:28,319
did intentionally, was with no money, we
took two full-time positions from the

1598
02:31:27,200 --> 02:31:32,399
police department and they volunteered
to move over to this job um, separate

1599
02:31:30,240 --> 02:31:36,160
from their social work jobs. And we
said, "Figure it out. These are 50

1600
02:31:34,720 --> 02:31:40,720
people we know somewhat a little bit
about and we need somebody to go in and

1601
02:31:38,880 --> 02:31:43,920
on an individual basis for these 50
people, figure things out." And that

1602
02:31:42,720 --> 02:31:47,439
meant that those social workers went
into those systems and said,"I need to

1603
02:31:45,359 --> 02:31:51,200
advocate here and here and here and
share information between these entities

1604
02:31:49,680 --> 02:31:55,520
and they're already getting case managed
here. So I need to make sure that they

1605
02:31:52,720 --> 02:31:59,600
are touching base with that on a micro
level is what the connect team is

1606
02:31:57,600 --> 02:32:03,200
doing." If you can take the lessons
learned from that, number one, they're

1607
02:32:01,359 --> 02:32:06,720
helping those individuals navigate those
systems more effectively and get better

1608
02:32:04,479 --> 02:32:10,479
care. two, if you can take the learning
from those um their interactions and

1609
02:32:08,560 --> 02:32:13,760
they can point out some gaps and things
that could be done better, that's

1610
02:32:12,080 --> 02:32:18,000
informing the county discussion and the
state discussion. So, we use connect for

1611
02:32:15,840 --> 02:32:21,280
that reason as well. Um sometimes it's
easier to go on an individual basis to

1612
02:32:19,520 --> 02:32:24,680
point out the system than the the whole
system at once.

1613
02:32:24,880 --> 02:32:26,479
» Um
>> Mr. Chair,

1614
02:32:26,000 --> 02:32:30,560
» yes.
>> Um I believe Megan has another section

1615
02:32:28,560 --> 02:32:35,200
of her presentation just so you know. I
was gonna just yeah take you know when

1616
02:32:32,880 --> 02:32:38,240
we are quiet you know just move ahead on
the slides.

1617
02:32:36,160 --> 02:32:43,520
» No this has been great I feel like lots
of great questions um all super

1618
02:32:39,920 --> 02:32:50,000
relevant. Next slide.
All right so digging into that dispatch

1619
02:32:46,000 --> 02:32:55,359
call routing question. Um let's see.
Dispatchers use a CAD system computer

1620
02:32:52,720 --> 02:33:00,880
aided dispatch uh to route all of their
calls. And the CAD is programmed to send

1621
02:32:57,840 --> 02:33:06,240
calls either down the fire to fire or to
PD and then they funnel down to the

1622
02:33:03,280 --> 02:33:11,120
different teams um from there based on
established protocols that are created

1623
02:33:08,160 --> 02:33:15,600
in collaboration between the departments
and 911.

1624
02:33:13,680 --> 02:33:20,479
Okay, next slide and we can come back
around. I hope that the slides help

1625
02:33:17,280 --> 02:33:26,479
bring clarity as we go through. Um let's
see. All right. So, talking specifically

1626
02:33:23,040 --> 02:33:30,640
about fire working with dispatch, um
we've talked I've already um talked

1627
02:33:28,880 --> 02:33:35,200
about this a little bit, but MRT is the
primary dispatch for all medical calls

1628
02:33:32,399 --> 02:33:40,160
except priority 1. And chat is typically
responding with MRT, but is

1629
02:33:37,680 --> 02:33:44,120
automatically dispatched for um this
list of call types.

1630
02:33:46,720 --> 02:33:54,479
And something interesting we've talked
about while developing this report was

1631
02:33:50,880 --> 02:34:00,000
um the support that chat provides for um
families or witnesses of a cardiac

1632
02:33:56,960 --> 02:34:03,760
arrest which is um apparently quite
traumatizing to witness and experience

1633
02:34:01,920 --> 02:34:07,439
especially with a loved one. And so I
just wanted to point that out because

1634
02:34:05,120 --> 02:34:13,560
it's a space that um they have kind of
unique access to support people. Next

1635
02:34:10,560 --> 02:34:13,560
slide.

1636
02:34:13,600 --> 02:34:19,920
All right. for police call routing. Um,
PCRT is automatically dispatched on

1637
02:34:18,240 --> 02:34:23,920
calls that do not require a sworn
officer. I know that is way too small to

1638
02:34:22,319 --> 02:34:28,319
be able to read it. I had listed some of
them earlier. I just wanted to show how

1639
02:34:26,000 --> 02:34:33,600
many types of calls they could cover and
I'm happy to send a easier to read

1640
02:34:31,040 --> 02:34:39,640
version of that if you'd like. Oh, there
we go. That's awesome.

1641
02:34:36,399 --> 02:34:39,640
Thank you.

1642
02:34:45,439 --> 02:34:51,760
All right. And then um the community
connection team, the police social

1643
02:34:49,760 --> 02:34:56,479
workers, they are not automatically
dispatched right now. And I learned

1644
02:34:54,640 --> 02:35:02,160
while putting this together that the
police call needs are a bit more unclear

1645
02:34:59,600 --> 02:35:07,359
often than the fire calls. So when
something goes down fire for medical

1646
02:35:04,479 --> 02:35:12,560
reasons, it's they they've indicated
very clear that that's the need. When

1647
02:35:09,760 --> 02:35:17,120
police is sent out, it could be um
trespassing, uh suspicious activity, or

1648
02:35:15,359 --> 02:35:19,760
someone hasn't answered their door and
someone's worried about their

1649
02:35:18,240 --> 02:35:24,640
well-being.
And then also what a dispatcher hears

1650
02:35:22,960 --> 02:35:30,080
can be quite different from what an
officer experiences on a scene. And so

1651
02:35:27,680 --> 02:35:34,720
police relies on that officer
identifying a need for a social worker

1652
02:35:32,240 --> 02:35:37,680
before dispatching the police social
workers. So that's a little bit of the

1653
02:35:36,479 --> 02:35:41,600
why there. And I thought that was
helpful to better understand

1654
02:35:40,080 --> 02:35:47,120
Carson.
>> Yeah, I think um that was that's a

1655
02:35:44,479 --> 02:35:52,880
helpful distinction um for me. And I I
guess I'm wondering like what would

1656
02:35:48,960 --> 02:35:57,359
trigger an officer to request a CCT
response and what does training look

1657
02:35:55,359 --> 02:36:02,280
like across all officers to let them
know that this is a resource that

1658
02:35:59,280 --> 02:36:02,280
exists?

1659
02:36:09,200 --> 02:36:20,319
So training across all officers. Um our
social workers spend a bunch of time at

1660
02:36:15,920 --> 02:36:26,800
the academy. We run the 40hour crisis
intervention training uh

1661
02:36:23,680 --> 02:36:32,399
process with all of our officers who
come through our academy and also our

1662
02:36:29,359 --> 02:36:38,240
lateral transfer officers. Um there are
definitely officers who use the resource

1663
02:36:34,160 --> 02:36:45,840
more than others. Um but any type of
social service need can elicit a social

1664
02:36:42,080 --> 02:36:52,720
work response. Um any type of trauma
where there's emotional distress. Um we

1665
02:36:49,760 --> 02:36:58,399
get called out on those frequently. Um
oftent times when there's an issue where

1666
02:36:55,120 --> 02:37:05,040
DCFS may become involved um that is also
a space that we're in frequently helping

1667
02:37:02,160 --> 02:37:08,720
manage that and giving a civilian social
work response especially when

1668
02:37:06,880 --> 02:37:14,880
interacting with children. Sometimes
cops are really cool sometimes it can

1669
02:37:11,120 --> 02:37:19,040
feel kind of scary. Um so we we are our
our officers are really great at kind of

1670
02:37:17,280 --> 02:37:23,760
reading the scene. establishing safety
as our primary concern for the

1671
02:37:20,960 --> 02:37:28,160
individuals involved in the crisis and
um for our personnel um and then and

1672
02:37:26,479 --> 02:37:32,560
then pairing that response. The other
unique piece that I don't think we

1673
02:37:30,080 --> 02:37:37,680
really captured in this presentation is
our social workers know the people who

1674
02:37:35,040 --> 02:37:43,040
call, right? We know all of the frequent
911 callers. And so our social workers,

1675
02:37:40,960 --> 02:37:48,960
if they're not out in the field, will
actually watch the call log and just

1676
02:37:45,920 --> 02:37:54,399
proactively pull calls off the call log
and say, "Okay, I know this caller.

1677
02:37:52,399 --> 02:37:59,280
Don't send patrol. I'm getting on the
phone with them to see if I can manage

1678
02:37:56,800 --> 02:38:02,800
them because they're schizophrenic and
always suicidal, right?" But we're

1679
02:38:01,439 --> 02:38:06,960
really good at safety planning and
talking them down and they're, you know,

1680
02:38:04,560 --> 02:38:11,200
we can establish safety without even an
in-person response often times. And so

1681
02:38:09,040 --> 02:38:17,760
that's a huge cost savings to the
system. Um where we can manage a lot of

1682
02:38:14,800 --> 02:38:23,120
crisis just telephonically. Um come up
with a plan to go out and and visit with

1683
02:38:19,840 --> 02:38:27,520
the with the community member when
things are a little more stable or when

1684
02:38:25,200 --> 02:38:34,000
they need additional intervention. And
we can always circle back and pull in

1685
02:38:29,439 --> 02:38:40,160
patrol or a medical response if needed.
I mean this, you know, makes me wonder

1686
02:38:36,960 --> 02:38:45,280
about the regular training uh for for
officers because that's a, you know,

1687
02:38:42,080 --> 02:38:50,960
conversation we had related older items.
Um, I wonder if this uh if the

1688
02:38:47,680 --> 02:38:59,680
department can highlight how often they
they do this and if it's mandatory or or

1689
02:38:53,680 --> 02:39:05,600
or not uh to because I to me um the more
um the the more used to uh our you know

1690
02:39:04,160 --> 02:39:10,080
that our officers know that these
resources are there you know the better

1691
02:39:08,399 --> 02:39:15,120
will be for everybody. Um,
>> so the CIT training is mandatory for

1692
02:39:13,439 --> 02:39:21,040
everyone who comes through the academy
and that's a full training on behavioral

1693
02:39:19,120 --> 02:39:25,200
health, developmental disabilities,
different presentations. This person

1694
02:39:23,200 --> 02:39:31,040
might be having a medical event as
opposed to being on a substance. Uh,

1695
02:39:28,560 --> 02:39:38,399
here are ways to vet these things out
and establish safety. a lot of grounding

1696
02:39:34,319 --> 02:39:44,880
tools and basic, you know, cognitive
behavioral tools that we can use to

1697
02:39:41,280 --> 02:39:48,319
deescalate situations. Um, and that
process all happens in tandem with our

1698
02:39:46,960 --> 02:39:53,520
social workers. So, they're also
developing those relationships. Ongoing

1699
02:39:51,040 --> 02:39:58,800
training happens
several times a year for the officers

1700
02:39:55,760 --> 02:40:03,439
who are assigned to our CIT division
that co-respond that is one of the

1701
02:40:01,120 --> 02:40:07,200
co-response opportunities for our social
workers. And so we have three dedicated

1702
02:40:05,359 --> 02:40:12,160
detectives there and a sergeant over
that unit. They help manage more of our

1703
02:40:09,520 --> 02:40:14,960
frequent callers um who tend to be a
little bit more dangerous where we're

1704
02:40:13,439 --> 02:40:21,600
not just going to send a civilian
response out. have um some safety

1705
02:40:17,520 --> 02:40:28,800
concerns and then we're working on
integrating into trimester training

1706
02:40:24,560 --> 02:40:34,800
annually or every other year ongoing CIT
reboots. Um the standard I believe that

1707
02:40:32,399 --> 02:40:39,920
the state is
I think it's four hours every 3 years

1708
02:40:37,680 --> 02:40:47,200
which is not a high bar. everything that
we do involves deescalation and um and

1709
02:40:44,319 --> 02:40:53,520
safety management of a scene. And so
officers are already getting that. We're

1710
02:40:50,080 --> 02:40:58,800
not we're not maybe tracking what
qualifies as those trainings

1711
02:40:56,560 --> 02:41:02,479
all of the time, but we are we can look
at training rosters and say, "Okay,

1712
02:41:00,479 --> 02:41:06,560
you've got deescalation, you've got
mental health stabilization training,

1713
02:41:04,399 --> 02:41:09,359
those types of things."
I think that's that's something

1714
02:41:08,000 --> 02:41:13,840
interesting to me to make sure that
there is more more of that you know

1715
02:41:11,920 --> 02:41:19,920
regular training beyond post academy
right um and uh that you know we we

1716
02:41:17,920 --> 02:41:24,640
highlight because certainly even from
our side we may be putting more

1717
02:41:22,000 --> 02:41:28,160
resources into different tools right and
and you know that changes right because

1718
02:41:26,720 --> 02:41:35,760
there might be more opportunities to
connect people um with the right with

1719
02:41:31,680 --> 02:41:39,439
the right um response I guess um So I I
would love to uh identify some more of

1720
02:41:38,080 --> 02:41:45,200
that information. I think the community
also expects to know that you know I

1721
02:41:42,880 --> 02:41:50,479
think that it builds trust even more
with with our good uh frontline officers

1722
02:41:48,000 --> 02:41:53,600
uh to know that they are uh that that's
part of their training or regular

1723
02:41:51,760 --> 02:41:57,280
training. So thank you.
>> Thank you.

1724
02:41:55,760 --> 02:41:59,280
» Keep going. [sighs]
>> I think there's just two more slides.

1725
02:41:58,560 --> 02:42:02,479
We're almost done.
>> Okay, we can do it.

1726
02:42:00,000 --> 02:42:07,920
» Next slide.
>> All right. So, this is talking about

1727
02:42:04,080 --> 02:42:12,720
when protocol needs to change. Um, 911
hosts a monthly users meeting with both

1728
02:42:10,160 --> 02:42:16,960
police and fire um to discuss any issues
which could help push for change if it's

1729
02:42:14,640 --> 02:42:22,080
needed. Um, but I learned that the fire
department is probably changing protocol

1730
02:42:18,720 --> 02:42:27,040
a bit more frequently. Um, dispatch has
shared that they have a wider range of

1731
02:42:23,680 --> 02:42:32,000
resources to dispatch and therefore the
range of needs can be quite different

1732
02:42:29,840 --> 02:42:36,720
based on call type and they adapt over
time to what they learn and might change

1733
02:42:33,840 --> 02:42:41,200
protocol to better serve the call types
as they see fit. They'll they have a

1734
02:42:39,200 --> 02:42:46,000
committee that brings updates to fire
leadership that they want to make to

1735
02:42:42,560 --> 02:42:50,800
protocol and if it's approved by um fire
leadership then they work with dispatch

1736
02:42:48,080 --> 02:42:55,600
to address that protocol. The police
department has a a person who is a

1737
02:42:52,640 --> 02:42:59,760
liaison and works directly with dispatch
whenever issues are identified by the

1738
02:42:57,840 --> 02:43:04,960
department. [snorts]
And then next slide just I believe just

1739
02:43:03,120 --> 02:43:09,680
talks about next steps. Allison
mentioned these as well, I think, but we

1740
02:43:07,439 --> 02:43:13,280
can talk about um the other four
programs. We could talk about the

1741
02:43:11,600 --> 02:43:17,840
guiding principles that we used to
develop the metrics that we selected for

1742
02:43:16,080 --> 02:43:21,840
measuring success in the report we
transmitted. And we could dig into the

1743
02:43:20,000 --> 02:43:26,560
data that's in the appendex of the
report that is based on those 26

1744
02:43:24,080 --> 02:43:31,080
metrics.
That is all we have.

1745
02:43:32,399 --> 02:43:40,160
» Thank you for the information. I'm
looking forward to, you know, dig into

1746
02:43:36,160 --> 02:43:46,319
some of the um the data you sent us um
and uh and and to highlight to the

1747
02:43:43,520 --> 02:43:51,680
community the work that that we do um as
a city. It's also impressive the that

1748
02:43:48,800 --> 02:43:55,200
you're tracking, you know, the calls and
how many interactions. I mean, that's

1749
02:43:53,520 --> 02:44:00,960
that's useful for the community. I feel
like that's something that should be

1750
02:43:58,000 --> 02:44:05,760
regular reported. Uh should be, you
know, very widely known. Um, council

1751
02:44:03,439 --> 02:44:13,120
member Young,
>> I just had one, I guess, additional

1752
02:44:07,920 --> 02:44:16,880
question. In the case that, let's say
the routing

1753
02:44:15,040 --> 02:44:21,760
happens,
but then maybe extra people like get

1754
02:44:19,920 --> 02:44:27,760
notified that there's that there's a
challenge or a concern. Do we have like

1755
02:44:24,640 --> 02:44:33,520
a policy or a protocol or a
recommendation on how like if we all

1756
02:44:30,880 --> 02:44:39,520
show up and we're like, "Oh, okay. Well,
like this team's got it." Like that

1757
02:44:36,240 --> 02:44:44,560
we're allowing other resources to then
be redeployed elsewhere. Does that make

1758
02:44:41,520 --> 02:44:48,160
sense kind of what I'm saying?
>> Yes. I'm not quite sure how to answer it

1759
02:44:46,319 --> 02:44:52,000
though. I think Christina hit on it a
little bit in talking about if both

1760
02:44:49,840 --> 02:44:55,359
social work teams are called out and
they would discuss what is best as the

1761
02:44:54,560 --> 02:44:59,279
response. But
>> yeah, and I guess like so the way I

1762
02:44:57,439 --> 02:45:06,000
could see this happening, here's my
scenario, Lisa. Um but would be so let's

1763
02:45:03,680 --> 02:45:10,960
say there's an incident and we have
multiple people calling in and the

1764
02:45:08,560 --> 02:45:15,279
multiple people calling in are reporting
different aspects of the incident and

1765
02:45:13,439 --> 02:45:19,840
then all of the sudden all of our city
teams get there and they're like wait a

1766
02:45:17,200 --> 02:45:26,479
minute you're here you know and so like
just how how that transpires in terms of

1767
02:45:23,120 --> 02:45:31,359
just being thoughtful about not
overwhelming a situation and tying up

1768
02:45:29,120 --> 02:45:33,520
city resources when they may be other
needs.

1769
02:45:32,000 --> 02:45:38,000
» This is so interesting. I'm sorry to
jump in before you, but when I was over

1770
02:45:35,680 --> 02:45:42,399
at dispatch watching, I just kind of sat
and watched them do their job. Yeah,

1771
02:45:39,920 --> 02:45:46,080
» this happened where um there was a whole
group of people calling and it was

1772
02:45:43,920 --> 02:45:49,359
actually very scary sounding and it
sounded like everyone was quite scared

1773
02:45:47,600 --> 02:45:54,160
and I think three different dispatchers
were on a call with a different person

1774
02:45:51,760 --> 02:45:56,479
involved in an incident and you can
probably explain better what happens

1775
02:45:55,600 --> 02:46:02,319
when this
>> so our

1776
02:45:58,800 --> 02:46:07,760
um sorry I am quiet so I am Elizabeth
Elgen assistant director with Salt Lake

1777
02:46:03,920 --> 02:46:11,760
City 911 our CAD system identifies
duplicate calls So if three different

1778
02:46:10,000 --> 02:46:15,600
people are taking a call at the same
address, they're going to get a

1779
02:46:13,040 --> 02:46:22,319
notification that there is already a
call made at that address. So we don't

1780
02:46:17,760 --> 02:46:26,240
make multiple calls for the same thing.
Typically, if we end up with chat and

1781
02:46:24,560 --> 02:46:30,640
police social workers on scene at the
same time, it's because the police

1782
02:46:28,880 --> 02:46:37,359
department asks for social workers and
then the fire department sent a medical

1783
02:46:34,240 --> 02:46:40,479
response team and chat automatically is
with them. It's not because both

1784
02:46:38,880 --> 02:46:44,000
departments were requested.
>> Got it.

1785
02:46:41,200 --> 02:46:45,520
» They're just always with the MRT if
they're on duty.

1786
02:46:45,040 --> 02:46:50,479
» Okay.
>> And then like Christina said, they will

1787
02:46:48,960 --> 02:46:54,800
um
decide amongst themselves who's going to

1788
02:46:52,640 --> 02:46:57,359
take responsibility for that call. So,
>> perfect.

1789
02:46:56,000 --> 02:47:01,600
» I think that's how that usually
>> that's helpful. Yes. Thank you. Sorry,

1790
02:46:59,040 --> 02:47:07,760
it was just a question I had like
related to how we're also not

1791
02:47:06,000 --> 02:47:11,920
overwhelming a scene related to
resources. Just noting there's so many

1792
02:47:09,680 --> 02:47:17,200
needs across the city. So,
>> thank you.

1793
02:47:14,240 --> 02:47:21,600
» And just wanted to quickly um express my
gratitude and thanks um to you for

1794
02:47:19,359 --> 02:47:27,359
putting this together, but um because I
know this took a long time. Um but also

1795
02:47:25,120 --> 02:47:33,760
to everybody that's worked on all of
these different response models. Um, I

1796
02:47:30,080 --> 02:47:41,279
remember reading about the um, community
connection team starting in 2016,

1797
02:47:38,640 --> 02:47:45,279
running in 2017,
learning more about uh, at when the

1798
02:47:43,680 --> 02:47:50,399
shelters were coming online and all of
those challenges to all of the things

1799
02:47:47,680 --> 02:47:57,359
that we did in 2020 and and since then.
So, um it's it's feels very full circle

1800
02:47:54,560 --> 02:48:03,359
for me and I know that we still have a
lot of work to do, but I really do

1801
02:47:59,120 --> 02:48:09,600
believe that the success of um the
public safety plan um and then the the

1802
02:48:06,880 --> 02:48:14,479
numbers that we're seeing of things um
coming down and and improving are a

1803
02:48:12,080 --> 02:48:19,920
result of this
thing that we've built, this system. and

1804
02:48:17,439 --> 02:48:24,640
um it really gives me a lot of
confidence moving forward. So I want to

1805
02:48:21,760 --> 02:48:30,960
thank everyone for their hard work and
um definitely don't want to rest on our

1806
02:48:27,279 --> 02:48:36,040
laurels but um this is I think a really
cool thing. I'm proud to be a part of

1807
02:48:33,040 --> 02:48:36,040
it.

1808
02:48:36,640 --> 02:48:43,120
» Thank you. Um I is I know that they put
a lot of work Oh yes, Rachel. Uh they

1809
02:48:41,760 --> 02:48:47,279
put a lot of work into putting this
together. So thank you Rachel. Thank you

1810
02:48:45,920 --> 02:48:51,439
so much. And I don't want to take up too
much time, but I did just want to say um

1811
02:48:49,520 --> 02:48:56,000
thank you so much to the council. I
think you know we've obviously spent a

1812
02:48:53,359 --> 02:48:59,120
lot of time with you on this. And though
the programs that we're going to talk

1813
02:48:57,279 --> 02:49:03,439
about both both today and that we'll
talk about in our next briefing seem

1814
02:49:01,600 --> 02:49:07,680
somewhat disperate, I think, you know,
at least since 2020, um the council's

1815
02:49:05,920 --> 02:49:11,920
been a great partner with the mayor's
office and just making sure that as we

1816
02:49:10,399 --> 02:49:15,920
are, you know, kind of developing these
creative and nimble responses to the

1817
02:49:14,319 --> 02:49:21,200
what we're seeing on the street that
they it has been grounded in the same

1818
02:49:18,880 --> 02:49:25,120
values and the guiding principles that
we've kind of brought to you each time.

1819
02:49:23,680 --> 02:49:29,040
So, you know, making sure that people
are um treated with dignity and they're

1820
02:49:27,120 --> 02:49:33,439
getting the services they need. Um
trying to make sure that our public

1821
02:49:30,160 --> 02:49:37,439
spaces are clean and safe and welcoming.
And then, of course, you know,

1822
02:49:35,200 --> 02:49:42,000
committing to ongoing efficiency and
transparency and accountability for each

1823
02:49:39,520 --> 02:49:46,479
of these programs. So, thank you for for
being willing to go on this journey with

1824
02:49:43,760 --> 02:49:49,359
us. Um, and then, you know, not to be
duplicative and thank you, um, Council

1825
02:49:47,920 --> 02:49:53,200
Member Wharton for your for your
gratitude to this team, but I just think

1826
02:49:50,960 --> 02:49:58,000
these teams are doing really, really
special and impactful work. And, um,

1827
02:49:55,760 --> 02:50:02,479
thanks for recognizing that. It's it's
hard to put together in a way that looks

1828
02:50:00,240 --> 02:50:05,840
cohesive across the board. But I also
want to say thank you to Megan for

1829
02:50:03,760 --> 02:50:08,720
spending a ton of time on this to to try
to bring it together and really

1830
02:50:07,040 --> 02:50:13,040
highlight the work of, I think, these
really important teams. So, thanks for

1831
02:50:10,640 --> 02:50:18,720
giving us this time. No, and I thank you
for putting together that. I hope that

1832
02:50:15,120 --> 02:50:23,279
that document uh is shared wide because
it is an incredible amount of work um

1833
02:50:21,359 --> 02:50:28,880
that the city is doing. Our taxpayers
are supporting this work. Um and what

1834
02:50:26,479 --> 02:50:32,800
sometimes, you know, we hear about the
frustrations

1835
02:50:30,479 --> 02:50:37,920
um I know that we're doing a lot to
mitigate, you know, uh to to mitigate

1836
02:50:35,200 --> 02:50:44,399
this crisis. Um so it's very impressive
to see how all of this works together.

1837
02:50:40,240 --> 02:50:48,479
Um I um in some of the conversations
that the county and and Andrew can help

1838
02:50:46,240 --> 02:50:55,040
me with this, but they they were talking
about 911 scripting

1839
02:50:52,000 --> 02:51:03,600
u and the Lichman group is asking for
the city to um join in into a new

1840
02:51:00,720 --> 02:51:11,600
script. Um, and I would love to know if
you if we know about this or if we need

1841
02:51:08,319 --> 02:51:17,040
to connect more people about what what
the county is asking from all the other

1842
02:51:14,800 --> 02:51:21,279
dispatch agencies to do.
>> So what do you mean by scripting?

1843
02:51:19,200 --> 02:51:26,160
» There is maybe this is what Andrew can
help. This is what

1844
02:51:24,560 --> 02:51:30,080
» so
one of the

1845
02:51:27,840 --> 02:51:34,960
» do this one of the lifeman group
recommendations was um to include mental

1846
02:51:33,040 --> 02:51:38,880
health screening or a screening question
about mental health crisis in 911

1847
02:51:37,439 --> 02:51:45,120
dispatch work. And so that's what the
county is talking about and integrating

1848
02:51:40,640 --> 02:51:47,840
that into the upfront um uh talking when
you're talking to a crisis situation

1849
02:51:46,399 --> 02:51:51,760
about how do you identify that as the
core issue?

1850
02:51:49,279 --> 02:51:56,800
» Okay. Yeah, we do.
If we believe there is a mental health

1851
02:51:53,600 --> 02:52:00,880
crisis occurring, we do have protocols
for

1852
02:51:58,880 --> 02:52:04,560
trying to get information about what
level of crisis are they in. Are they

1853
02:52:02,399 --> 02:52:10,160
danger a danger to themselves or others?
Is it an active danger? And if it's not,

1854
02:52:07,680 --> 02:52:13,840
we can connect them with MCOT. We can
let MCOT triage further while we stay on

1855
02:52:12,880 --> 02:52:16,560
the phone.
>> Yeah.

1856
02:52:14,479 --> 02:52:20,960
» They will say if they need us to send a
response or if they think they can

1857
02:52:17,840 --> 02:52:25,760
handle it. So we don't have any scripted
questions for that but we do have

1858
02:52:23,600 --> 02:52:31,120
procedures for how to handle those.
>> Yeah. I and I'm trying to figure out you

1859
02:52:28,240 --> 02:52:37,680
know how you know the why the reasoning
of asking uh you know other agencies

1860
02:52:33,279 --> 02:52:43,040
that are doing this um to join into this
script uh and to have that as part of

1861
02:52:40,240 --> 02:52:47,680
their dispatch. So, I I might have to
collect more information from that side

1862
02:52:44,720 --> 02:52:53,840
and then connect with 911 to see, you
know, why why we should and why what you

1863
02:52:50,720 --> 02:52:57,520
guys think about this. Um, but it it's
some of the recommendations and they're

1864
02:52:55,680 --> 02:53:02,880
coming back to the city and I'm trying
to figure out where I need to send them.

1865
02:53:00,880 --> 02:53:06,640
» Mr. Chair, if I might. So all the the
working groups um that the lifeman group

1866
02:53:05,200 --> 02:53:09,600
that the county is standing up to
implement the lifeman group

1867
02:53:07,920 --> 02:53:13,840
recommendations we are ensuring that
city staff is you know appropriate city

1868
02:53:11,359 --> 02:53:18,960
staff is in each of those and so maybe
part of this goes to the difference of

1869
02:53:15,920 --> 02:53:23,600
between I think Beck and how we dispatch
and so there is you know our systems

1870
02:53:20,800 --> 02:53:28,399
aren't identical but I feel really
confident that our system is um attuned

1871
02:53:26,479 --> 02:53:32,399
with what we you know where we need to
be going with these mental health calls.

1872
02:53:30,000 --> 02:53:35,279
So, um, if there's anything else you
want to add about the differences

1873
02:53:33,439 --> 02:53:38,080
between VEC and how we dispatch, go for
it.

1874
02:53:35,680 --> 02:53:43,600
» We work pretty closely with Beck. So, if
they and also our medical director for

1875
02:53:41,439 --> 02:53:47,920
Salt Lake City 911 and Beck is the same
person. So, if there is a determined

1876
02:53:46,399 --> 02:53:52,399
there's a recommendation that we use
certain language when we're handling

1877
02:53:50,080 --> 02:53:56,399
calls for mental health services, we
will also incorporate that into ours

1878
02:53:54,640 --> 02:54:01,279
because we're all operating under the
same medical director. So if that

1879
02:53:58,880 --> 02:54:08,800
recommendation comes down, we would both
do it. We use the same protocol system,

1880
02:54:05,200 --> 02:54:14,479
Beck and us, for handling medical calls.
We have our own sets, if that makes any

1881
02:54:12,319 --> 02:54:18,560
sense, because we Salt Lake City has a
more tiered response to medical calls

1882
02:54:16,080 --> 02:54:23,680
than Vet currently does.
So they're but it's the same system. We

1883
02:54:20,720 --> 02:54:28,000
all use Appco for our emergency medical
dispatch. So if there's a recommended

1884
02:54:25,680 --> 02:54:32,399
change by Dr. on we will make the change
the same as vectors.

1885
02:54:30,880 --> 02:54:36,319
» That's helpful. Thank you. Sorry for
like just popped in my head. We were

1886
02:54:34,240 --> 02:54:39,040
like 911 and I was like I heard about
this.

1887
02:54:36,880 --> 02:54:44,240
» One more question. Sorry Mr. Chair. Have
we taken this presentation like on the

1888
02:54:41,439 --> 02:54:50,240
road um to [laughter]
to show

1889
02:54:46,800 --> 02:54:54,240
» Okay. I would love it. I I mean if we
can share this with like the state

1890
02:54:51,439 --> 02:54:59,840
office of homeless services or or other
individuals that to kind of show um the

1891
02:54:58,240 --> 02:55:05,359
work that we're doing and and I would
think even policing groups would be

1892
02:55:02,399 --> 02:55:12,000
interested in um
our non uh sworn officer responses. I

1893
02:55:08,160 --> 02:55:17,760
know that those calls can be
those like lower priority calls are

1894
02:55:15,279 --> 02:55:22,160
still important but is you know it frees
up officer time. So I would love it if

1895
02:55:20,560 --> 02:55:25,279
we can like proactively share some of
this information.

1896
02:55:24,880 --> 02:55:28,960
» Thank you.
>> I think the community councils we should

1897
02:55:27,120 --> 02:55:35,120
should also be exposed to this.
>> That's good. Yeah, that'd be great too.

1898
02:55:30,960 --> 02:55:38,880
» Um so um this is this amazing. I I mean
that was that was a lot of work to put

1899
02:55:37,120 --> 02:55:44,000
together. So, might as well show it off
uh because it's quite impressive. So,

1900
02:55:41,200 --> 02:55:49,640
thank you. Um I think that concludes the
presentation. Uh thank you so much for

1901
02:55:45,920 --> 02:55:49,640
this. Thank you. Thank you.

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» Um I don't see Ben Raskin, are you here?
No.

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Um are we we are ahead of time. Have we
contacted? No. Huh?

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taking a break.
>> So, let's let's

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» or we can do the other items.
>> There's nothing.

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So, this is the last item. I um So,
let's let's do this. Let's take a a a

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10-minute break. Um
>> Yes.

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» Do you want me to talk?
>> Yes.

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» Welcome back.
We are going to hear item number nine

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now, which is a board appointment for
the planning commission. And we're going

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to welcome Ben Raskin to the table right
here. And [snorts] you can uh you can

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tell us uh why do you want to join the
planning commission? um push the button

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so the microphone is on has a green
light on and then yeah tell us briefly

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why you want to join the planning
commission.

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» Absolutely. Uh make sure this is on.
>> Yes.

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» Perfect. Perfect. Thank you very much.
Well, thank you very much for having me

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here today. Uh three years ago I had the
privilege of coming before this board

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and speaking with you in regards to
being a member of a civilian review

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board. I spent three years working on
that committee and it was absolutely

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instrumental in uh revitalizing my love
of both our community, the work our sub

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public servants do, law enforcement and
opportunities that we can make

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improvements both public safety and the
general perception of use of force in

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the state or rather in the city. Uh my
service with the uh civilian review

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board ends at the end of this month. and
speaking with council member uh Young,

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she said there was an opportunity for
the city planning committee which would

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be a chance to kind of like pair a
relationship that pair this uh love that

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I have of both our city, the buildings,
the people who live here and basically

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how we have this inner re in uh this
relationship between how we're building

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it for the future but as well as
preserving for the past. Um before I go

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any further, I just want to make one
really quick note. As I am leaving the

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civilian review board, I wanted to make
bring to you guys' attention uh two very

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special individuals. Uh chief
investigator, uh Tanya Richardson and

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facilitator Christy Marcy. They're the
ones that have been running the CRB and

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the work they do is makes them public
servants extraordinary. And if you

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haven't had a chance to meet them, I
would definitely send I would make an

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opportunity to go talk to them and see
the work that they are actually doing

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there. So anyway, I believe that the
planning commission faces issues that

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are requiring balancing competing
interests, studying the facts, and

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making decisions that we can both serve
the both the future and our p and our

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future, I'm sorry, our current residents
and our future residents. And uh I hope

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the skills that I've developed on the
CRB will prepare me well for this

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responsibility and I'd be honored to
continue serving the people of Salt Lake

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City in this new capacity. So, thank you
very much for this opportunity and I

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appreciate this time with you,
>> Council Member Young. Oh my gosh, I

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could talk about Ben forever. Um, so I
think one of the things that I

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appreciate about Ben most and I'll share
with the other council members is that

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your interests in the city are so
diverse. Um, and I think you've touched

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on many of those experiences and
commitments um, already and how you've

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shown up to represent and kind of serve
the voice of your community. Um, but

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whether you were reaching out to me
about a park that was in your area or

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chatting with me about some of the road
construction and the impacts on

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businesses, um, you know, talking about
our needs in the public safety sector

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and how we are comprehensively
addressing that, not just for Sugar

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House but for the entire city. Um it has
always struck me as something that is um

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different than a lot of the other
interactions I have. And it is that

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comprehensive and holistic view that I
think will really benefit you in

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representing our community on the
planning um commission is because yes,

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you are making decisions that are
specific to land use and zoning, but

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that it's not just about a building.
It's also about what that means to the

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greater community and considering that
larger context um as part of the the

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process moving forward. So I could not
be more excited to have you um

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representing for our community and am
just very very grateful for the

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professionalism and the dedication you
have already shown the city and that I

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know you will continue to do in this
role.

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» Thank you very much.
Thank thank you uh for your willingness

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to uh to share your your time and
talents uh with the city. I um I it it

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really uh not only from running for
office but also turning that energy into

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service to the city. So thank thank you
for for your for for doing that. Um uh

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you are going to be placed on the
consent agenda for tonight's meeting.

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You don't have to be there to uh it's
quite boring. Uh, we approve the consent

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agenda.
>> I'm glad I lost the race then.

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[laughter]
>> Uh, so I um but I So you you will be

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placed on the consent agenda and the
administration will reach out to you

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with next steps.
>> Thank you very much. Appreciate that.

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» Thank you.
>> Awesome. Thank you.

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» So there's uh no report from me. Is
there a report from you? No. No report

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from the vice chair. Uh is there a
report announcements from the executive

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director? No reporting announcement from
the executive director and there's not

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10 there's no closed meeting. So this
adjourns the meeting until 7 pm tonight.

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Thank you.
>> Food is on the