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[7:51] » Okay, welcome everyone to the a August
25th, 2026 city council work session
[7:56] meeting. Our meetings are public and
you're welcome to join us in person or
[8:01] by watching from the council agenda
page. You can watch in Zoom or YouTube.
[8:07] Uh we hope you continue to join us in
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[8:10] comfortable.
This is a work session meeting during
[8:14] which there is not public comment. You
can join us tonight at 7 p.m. for our
[8:19] formal meeting to share your comments.
We of course uh are welcome public
[8:24] feedback anytime. Uh and you can send us
your feedback uh by mail at PO Box
[8:29] 145476,
Salt Lake City, Utah 84114.
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[8:46] 8015357654.
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that at slc.gov/consel.
[9:01] Our first agenda item is an ordinance
for a zoning map amendment at
[9:06] approximately 2025 and 2020 2075 west,
2670 north and 2620 north, 2200 west. Uh
[9:17] we're going to welcome at the table Nick
Tarvet, council deputy director, Erin
[9:21] Barlo, senior planner, and Alicia Silly,
principal planner. Nick.
[9:29] » Uh thank you, Mr. Chair. I won't repeat
the address of where you just announced
[9:32] the reszone's going to be considered.
>> Um I will let you know the applicant is
[9:37] here. He would like to talk with you
after the presentation from planning
[9:40] staff.
>> And um with that I'll let you guys go.
[9:46] » Thank you. Good afternoon council. Um I
am Alicia Cely and this is Aaron Barlo.
[9:52] We've been the planners processing this
application. Um again, yeah, this is for
[9:55] a zoning map amendment from AG2
agricultural zone to M1A, which is the
[10:00] North Point specific light industrial
district.
[10:04] » Next slide, please.
>> Okay. Um this request includes three
[10:11] properties um that you see up here on
the screen. 2670 North, 2200 West um is
[10:17] this long skinny one um on the west of
this map. and then 2075 west 2670 north
[10:25] and 2025 west 2670 north um are east
here um abuing the north 215 freeway um
[10:35] these three properties are all currently
zoned AG2 which is agricultural um and
[10:40] the applicant is proposing to reszone
them to M1A North Point light industrial
[10:46] um and these all fall in the North Point
small area plan next slide
[10:52] Okay. Um the purpose of this reszone is
for future light industrial use. There
[10:57] are no um specific development plans or
a specific tenant um wishing to build on
[11:03] the site at this time. Um
however, the planning staff is
[11:10] recommending approval with conditions.
Um [snorts] and then the planning
[11:13] commission recommended denial which we
will get into um later in this
[11:18] presentation. Next slide.
Okay, just to be really clear about um
[11:24] what is here and what the proposal is.
So the property facing 2200 West here
[11:33] labeled A on this diagram is currently a
single family home. Um the proposal
[11:38] would be to remove this home to provide
access to the future development. Um so
[11:43] to provide an access road to the larger
two properties and avoid using the uh
[11:49] 2670 north road and then BNC
um are very similar. There's nothing
[11:56] developed on these properties right now.
They've been used as um grazing pasture
[12:01] land previously. Um and these are both
proposed as the future site for light
[12:07] industrial development. Next slide.
Okay. Okay. As far as the neighborhood
[12:13] context, the surrounding properties um
are largely characterized by very low
[12:17] density residential development and um
as well as agricultural uses. However,
[12:23] the site the um broader site and broader
neighborhood has a lot of new industrial
[12:28] uses coming in um such as the warehouse
that you can see in some of these photos
[12:32] across 2200 West. Next slide.
Okay. And um the zoning district
[12:40] comparison M1A has similar height
requirements um to the existing AG2
[12:47] district. Um it has some additional
design requirements such as setting back
[12:53] um new buildings in M1A from principal
residential structures on abuing
[12:57] properties. There is no minimum lot
width or size um in the M1A district.
[13:02] There are some additional landscaping
and tree planting requirements um to
[13:06] mitigate the impacts of future light
industrial use um as well as additional
[13:10] design standards. Next slide.
[13:15] Um and then M1A allows for um quite a
few additional uses that are not
[13:21] currently permitted in the AG2 zone. Um
these are all detailed in the staff
[13:26] report but some of the highlights um are
here and mainly these are along the
[13:31] lines of light manufacturing light
industrial uses. Next slide.
[13:38] Um I won't spend a lot of time here but
the proposal to reszone these properties
[13:42] to M1A is in line with plan Salt Lake
and the North Point small area plan. um
[13:49] and planning staff's determination is
that the proposal does um comply with
[13:55] the goals of these plans. Next slide.
So like Alicia was saying, this proposal
[14:01] aligns with the plan, the North Point
area plan. And specifically in the V
[14:05] vision map, it calls for a transitional
area here that has the diagonal hatched
[14:09] yellow lines on the map. an area that is
meant to transition from the current
[14:14] agricultural uses to a more light
industrial use that you see popping up
[14:18] in this area. And many of the properties
in this area have already been reszoned
[14:22] to that light manufacturing zone. And
the M1A zoning district was developed
[14:27] specifically for this area of the
transition from a to light industrial.
[14:33] Next slide, please.
Uh we did receive quite a few comments
[14:37] from the neighbors and the public. They
were primarily concerned about the use
[14:41] of that 2670 North Street which is runs
along the north part of this property. A
[14:48] lot of homes use it as their primary
point of access. They're worried about
[14:51] noise, visual impacts, the typical
things that come out of light industrial
[14:55] use. And the applicant uh took these
comments and came forward with some um
[15:03] ideas to kind of mitigate those things.
So, next slide.
[15:08] Uh the applicant with their community
benefit said, you know, because we're
[15:12] worried neighbors worried about noise,
visual impacts, access, things like
[15:16] that. Uh they proposed
uh additional screening and uh
[15:22] mitigation beyond what is specifically
required by the M1A zoning district
[15:26] because of this property's proximity to
other residential uses. So that includes
[15:31] additional tree planting in the way that
you can see illustrated there with the
[15:35] juniper trees. Uh stone wall uh fencing
along the property lines that are shared
[15:42] with residential uses. Uh there would be
no storage yards or parking areas near
[15:48] the neighboring houses. There would be a
much larger gap than required by the M1A
[15:54] zoning district. And then there would be
no access on that 2670 North Street,
[16:00] only on that strip of land that was
purchased from uh a family that were
[16:06] actually going through the same process
until they were approached by this
[16:09] applicant to reszone their property. Uh
next slide, please.
[16:14] So at the planning commission, uh they
forwarded a negative recommendation. The
[16:19] central concern, really the only concern
was regarding data centers that are
[16:23] permitted in this district. Data centers
do have a few requirements within this
[16:27] M1A zoning district. They need to be in
a a closed loop cooling system. But if
[16:32] the uh council wishes to go, you know, a
different way than the planning
[16:36] commission recommended, they are welcome
to add a condition to prohibit data
[16:40] centers on the site. Uh next slide,
please.
[16:45] So staff's recommendation if the
commission if the council does decide
[16:49] they do choose to approve this request
we ask that they uh keep the conditions
[16:54] that staff recommended to the planning
commission as well as um that as an
[17:01] option the data center proh prohibition
as well.
[17:05] So the next slide I believe that's the
end of our presentation and we're happy
[17:09] to go through things but I think the
applicant also wanted to present
[17:13] » council member Petro.
[17:17] » Are we going to hear from the developer
too or just
[17:20] » I mean we we don't we we can
>> I'm
[17:23] » you have questions for the developer
directly or do you have
[17:26] » no mostly mostly just comments. I had
the chance to speak with this developer
[17:30] like planning told us this conforms with
what we expect to happen and the
[17:35] developer assured me not only are they
asking for nothing that varies from the
[17:40] M1A zone that was innovative innovated
for the place out there there's no
[17:45] riparian considerations because it's far
enough away from there so we don't have
[17:49] that element of concern and when I spoke
with the developer the developer was
[17:53] able to tell me the name of not only the
people from whom they bought the house
[17:56] which was impressive but then also So
the neighbors across the way who are
[17:59] some of our neighbors who need the
protection who have lived through the
[18:03] hellscape that has been the development
of the million square foot warehouse out
[18:07] there they were willing to concede
additional protections in alignment with
[18:12] what that family preferred. So, as we
move forward on this, I'm finding it
[18:17] difficult to um say you can't do what we
told you we expected would be done with
[18:24] a developer that is willing to not only
conform to what we said, but is willing
[18:29] to give us additional um concessions
like formalizing that a data center will
[18:34] not be a use that is out there even
though once again letting our
[18:39] constituency know that is not a
permitted use even in that zone, but
[18:42] they are willing. So, I actually have to
say this is a this is a developer who
[18:47] seems incredibly responsive. I know we
have a lot of people who show up for the
[18:50] shores of the lake and I'm thankful for
them. I have yet to hear the people who
[18:54] show up for the neighbors out there who
have unique concerns and having a
[18:58] developer that took it upon themsel to
address the humans who live out there
[19:03] and not just the birds is really
exciting to me and I'm really really um
[19:08] glad to see this. I think there is no
leeway on things like the tree buffers.
[19:12] there's no leeway on things like um
light mitigation, all of those other
[19:18] things that will protect the birds
because our zone was designed to
[19:22] consider that. Um but this is actually
a pretty high precedent in addition to
[19:28] the fact that they're willing to give us
concessions that we couldn't have
[19:30] foreseen needing to be explicitly stated
when the zone was created.
[19:36] » Any other thoughts, council members?
[19:41] Um I would like to um I think the as far
as the the data center um
[19:50] technically being a thing that could
happen in the site I felt like I
[19:55] personally would like to prohibit that
even if the developer it's not uh
[20:02] thinking about doing it I think just for
the sake of uh putting on and and you
[20:08] know and and paper in writing. I think I
would like to add that as a requirement
[20:13] that is not allowable
>> and it was explicitly asked and we we
[20:17] can let the developer speak to it but
this is a concession that
[20:21] the developer is willing to get to give
us.
[20:24] » Yeah. And we well I mean they know how
to give it to us, right? Like we can
[20:27] actually require it but it's very nice
that they're willing to give it to us.
[20:30] » I Yeah. I'm not trying to exercise our
power. I'm saying we have a partner here
[20:35] who is doing in this space things that
are not just being compelled but this is
[20:40] someone who gives every appearance at
this point to be honoring the spirit and
[20:45] the letter of our law.
>> Yes. Um I guess maybe that this is a way
[20:48] to allow the developer for a few
minutes. Um and uh yeah tell us a little
[20:54] bit about the project. Um maybe this
sparks other questions but maybe not.
[20:59] Make sure that the green light is on.
on.
[21:06] » There you go. Green light was not on.
Uh, I'm Dustin Cutler. I represent Lone
[21:09] Peak Lofts. It is my business, my
partner and I's business, and we are the
[21:14] applicants/developers
of this parcel. Um, as far as the data
[21:19] center, I know it come up. I'm
completely fine with any contingencies
[21:23] that you guys feel like are needed for
that area to to not allow data centers.
[21:27] I've built a number of smaller scale.
One one thing that doesn't show on these
[21:31] parcels is there's actually two 24-in
gas lines that go from Wyoming to
[21:37] California. They they kind of cut that
parcel in the middle. So, it kind of
[21:42] creates two envelopes where a large
building you literally we we
[21:47] naively asked what would it would cost
to move those before we understood what
[21:51] they were. And the guy from Kern River
laughed at us and he said, "I don't
[21:54] know, maybe 15 to$20 million." and we're
like, "Oh, these aren't like these
[21:57] aren't your 1-in gas lines that run to
your house." That's where we kind of
[22:01] learned. So, because of that, it doesn't
suit itself to any any large buildings
[22:06] really. Um, so in my opinion, there's
this I don't know the data center market
[22:12] at all. It's nothing I've ever dealt
with before, but I I don't think that's
[22:16] an issue. I'm more than happy to, you
know what I mean, work with the city and
[22:19] say, "Yeah, that's not a not a thing
that works in that area for me or any
[22:23] potential buyers or future developers or
tenants for that matter."
[22:28] » Thank you. I mean, the technology is
evolving so much and it will continue to
[22:32] evolve. So, I prefer to put it in the in
the documents so they're not no
[22:39] allowable use. Uh, any other thoughts,
council members?
[22:44] Yes.
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um the staff said
[22:50] that this um there's no firm plan for
this property right now. Um do you have
[22:59] ideas?
>> So, I actually uh I used chat GPT the
[23:02] other day for the first time in my life.
I did come up with some concepts. I
[23:06] don't I thought I mailed them in, but I
may have emailed them to the wrong I
[23:09] didn't know who to send it. So, we I was
telling Nick before this, my partner and
[23:13] I, we we actually build small industrial
buildings. Uh we're completing one on
[23:18] the on-ramp of 5600 West and I 80 right
now. So, we have worked through the city
[23:22] process before. It was already zoned the
right way, so I didn't come to this, you
[23:26] know what I mean? It was just a
planning, but we specialize for the last
[23:30] 10 or 15 or I guess 12 years now. We
build usually between 30 and 50,000 foot
[23:34] buildings, which to most people sounds
big, but when it comes to industrial
[23:38] space is really small, right? and we
usually split those into anywhere
[23:42] between three and 10,000 foot units. Um,
so we attract small businesses. The
[23:48] stuff right now we're building out by
the airport. We have as small as 4,000
[23:52] to as large as nine. We have a few
signed leases. That building's not yet
[23:56] complete, but we've signed some leases.
One of them is Snap-on Tools Corporate,
[24:01] who provides automotive working tools,
and I think it's just a warehouse for
[24:05] their local guys to come pick up tools.
One of them is a soil test company that
[24:09] does soil testing for the state. Um they
leased a 4,000 foot unit. So we don't we
[24:15] usually attract smaller businesses uh
across our whole anything we've ever
[24:20] built. We've only ever had one that was
actually a manufacturer. Uh it's a
[24:24] building down in Lynon. Uh one company
bought the entire building from us and
[24:29] they do all your kind of special duct
work. They're one of the few
[24:32] manufacturers in the state that actually
builds commercial duct work. But outside
[24:37] that we get our stuff in Pleasant Grove
attracts dance studios, some online
[24:43] retailers, a gym. This particular area
probably wouldn't attract that of course
[24:48] because it's there's no population base
around, right? But most of what we
[24:53] target is is small businesses. What we
had kind of planned and if we still our
[24:57] hope is to end up owning one of the
building envelopes. There's three
[25:01] possible building envelopes. Our hope is
to kind of sell two off and build one
[25:05] and it would probably be a 20 to 30,000
foot building primarily targeted like 3
[25:10] to 4,000 foot units for for local
contractors and we'd probably sell half
[25:15] and keep half. So if we were if we were
the developers, we'd bring a condo plat
[25:20] in over our particular building. Um so
we do part of the small I guess the
[25:26] community benefit was hoping to work
with small businesses. We of course
[25:30] can't commit to that because like I was
telling Nick beforehand, this is a
[25:34] bigger project than we can afford to do
quite honestly. So at this point, we're
[25:38] looking to kind of get the reszone done,
probably start to work through the
[25:44] engineering and site plan and all that
other items once we know the zoning's
[25:48] right. if somebody comes along and buys
it, we'll exit. But they'll understand
[25:52] part of our agreement with the community
was that the fencing and the trees are
[25:57] being locked in as part of the reszone.
And part of that was to make our
[26:00] neighbor across the street, Mr. Taylor,
happy. Um I I approached kind of all my
[26:06] neighbors there. Uh there's a few guys
that own some parcels to the north of
[26:10] that small road, 2670, and they were
trying to work with me because they
[26:14] would like to access their property.
Unfortunately, they don't really have
[26:18] access to their parcels back there. Um,
I contacted all the neighbors and
[26:23] they're just not interested in in a
change to that road. So, I went ahead
[26:26] and bought the Thompson property to
provide access back here. So,
[26:32] » thank you so much. Okay.
>> Um,
[26:35] I would support prohibit prohibition of
data centers on that site.
[26:41] » Okay.
>> Thank you.
[26:43] » It seems like we are good. Uh, I
appreciate the, you know, your the
[26:46] information you share with us. Thank
you. Um, I think that sort of gives
[26:50] gives the direction on where we are
headed.
[26:53] » Could we just get confirmation? I think
we're there, but quick straw poll on
[26:57] whether or not you would like to include
the prohibition on data centers as a
[27:00] condition in the reszone.
>> Sure. Let's show your feelings on that,
[27:03] council members.
>> Okay.
[27:05] » Okay. We'll make that change to it.
>> Okay. Thank you.
[27:09] » Thank you very much.
>> Thank you.
[27:11] Uh
item number two is a zoning map
[27:15] amendment and general plan amendment at
approximately
[27:18] 1990 and 2002 South 500 East. Um we're
going to welcome Allison Roland, council
[27:26] policy analyst at the table and Cassie
Younger, senior senior planner and
[27:32] Kelsey Linquist, planning manager. Maybe
um Oh yes.
[27:39] » Thank you, Mr. Chair. This is a request
for a zoning map and general plan
[27:42] amendment at 1990 South 500 East and
2002 South 500 East in the Liberty Welsh
[27:48] neighborhood. The applicant, Castlewood
Development, has proposed 22 for sale
[27:53] town homes, each with three stories,
including four bedrooms, three and a
[27:56] half baths, and a twocar garage. The
requested changes would reszone the the
[28:01] property from single family residential
to moderate density multif family
[28:05] residential and require a general plan
amendment to the central community
[28:11] future land use map from lowdensity
residential to medium density
[28:15] residential. The planning commission
voted 5 to zero to recommend the council
[28:19] approve these changes with a development
agreement and comment commenters at the
[28:24] planning commission hearing expressed
concerns about the height of the
[28:28] buildings. the density or number of
units that are included and the loss of
[28:33] available parking in the area. The
public hearing is scheduled for
[28:37] September 15th with potential council
action on September 22nd. And the
[28:42] applicant is here if you're if uh you
end up with any questions after uh
[28:47] Cassie's presentation.
>> Thanks.
[28:53] I think this is the applicant.
[28:58] Can we go to the next presentation?
>> Scott, could we go to the next
[29:02] presentation?
[29:34] Okay, [laughter] I'll get started while
they're bringing that up. Sorry about
[29:38] that. Um, my name is Cassie Younger and
I'm presenting the Wells on Fifth Reson.
[29:43] So, as Alison mentioned, this request is
for our zoning map and general plan
[29:47] amendment uh 1990 and 2002 South 500
East. The current zoning is R15000 and
[29:55] is proposed to be changed to RM35, which
is a moderate density multif family
[29:59] residential.
Uh this also requires an amendment to
[30:03] the central community plan future land
use map from low density residential to
[30:07] medium density residential.
Uh the subject property um is 1.03 acres
[30:16] and has three frontages along 500 East,
Hollywood, and Roondo A. It was
[30:22] previously the historic Wells Ward
Meeting House, which burned down in 2024
[30:27] and has been Vinket ever since.
This property lies within the Liberty
[30:33] neighborhood about a mile west of Sugar
House downtown. The site is one block
[30:38] north of 2100 South, which is uh zoned
primarily MU3 and has a variety of small
[30:45] businesses and town homes. And while the
blocks north are generally um R15000,
[30:51] there are some pockets of RMF35
nearby like the senior living center to
[30:56] the north and a recently reszoned Sears
site on 400 East. Uh, this site has a
[31:02] variety of transit options close by with
a UTA bus stop one block north and an
[31:07] S-line station.3
miles south.
[31:11] The proposed development offers 22 town
homes, each with four bedrooms and three
[31:16] and a half baths. Each unit has a twocar
garage, and the site offers eight guest
[31:22] parking stalls on site. The site plan
proposes
[31:27] um over 12,000 square feet of open space
including a playground amenity
[31:32] and while the RMF35 zone allows up to 35
ft in height, the development is
[31:37] proposing to cap it at 30 ft.
[31:42] Uh the community benefit offered is that
all of these are familysized units with
[31:47] over three beds and three baths and
these units will all be offered for
[31:51] sale. The open space is over three times
the required amount for this
[31:56] development. And the open space is
mostly contiguous with over 3,000 square
[32:01] feet of a for a playground. And the
applicant has offered to integrate an
[32:05] educational component to the play area.
The educational component was inspired
[32:11] by a nonprofit group called Playful
Learning Landscapes, which helps
[32:16] developers in cities install educational
engaging playscapes for children in
[32:21] private and public spaces. And these can
be as simple as a mural or a painted
[32:26] bench or as complex as an entire play
installation. All of which would promote
[32:31] engagement and interactive um
interaction between children and their
[32:35] caregivers.
Um, so in the slide I have a table that
[32:41] compares the existing zones with the
proposed RMF35 zone.
[32:48] Is there a way to connect my own
computer anyway?
[32:51] » That I don't know. Um, I just sent it to
Scott.
[32:55] » Okay. [laughter]
>> See if you can get it.
[33:01] Um,
so the table will show the comparison
[33:05] and uh versus the proposed project. So
they aren't proposing to build to the
[33:11] maximum height or density that the RMF35
zone would allow. The RMF35 zone would
[33:16] allow up to 59 lots um with the minimum
lot size requirement, but the applicant
[33:22] is only proposing 22.
[33:26] And so many aspects of the proposed
development actually comply with the
[33:29] RMF30 zone which is our low density
multifamily residential zone um
[33:35] including the density of 22 units with a
height cap of 30 ft.
[33:40] So the applicant is requesting the RMF35
zone instead um because of this smaller
[33:46] front yard requirements. So, this allows
to keep the majority of their open space
[33:52] within the interior of the site plan
within the greenways and playground
[33:57] amenity instead of accommodating those
larger front setbacks.
[34:02] And so the applicant received a lot of
public feedback on their project um and
[34:07] revised their design to accommodate some
of these concerns inclusing including
[34:12] decreasing the number of units from 22
to 20 from 24 to 22 and adding guest
[34:18] parking stalls and increasing the
setbacks along Rodondo and Hollywood
[34:23] from 10 ft to 13 and 14.
[34:29] Yeah. So, if you just want to go through
and we can bring up those tables.
[34:38] Um, yeah. So, here's the current zone
R15000, the RMF35 zone, and the proposed
[34:44] project.
[34:48] So, like I said, they're going under um
the height and the density for for what
[34:54] is allowed in the RMF35 zone. Next
slide, please.
[34:59] Um, and this is comparing it with the
RMF30 zone, which is our lowdensity
[35:03] multif family residential. So, it
complies with almost all of those
[35:06] development standards um, except for the
front yards.
[35:11] Okay. And then next slide.
Um, it made some accommodations as
[35:17] mentioned um, based on public feedback
like decreasing the number of units,
[35:21] increasing front yards, and adding guest
parking.
[35:25] Next slide.
And then on June 24th, the planning
[35:30] commission voted unanimously to forward
a positive recommendation to the city
[35:34] council with the listed conditions.
[35:40] Next slide.
[35:44] » Thank you. Um council members,
council Carlson,
[35:50] » um I saw that uh there is it's
anticipated that these would be for sale
[35:56] units. Do we have a sense of what the um
the price might be for these for sale
[36:01] units?
>> The applicant has indicated that they
[36:04] would be market rate and I believe the
range was around 590 or so, but she is
[36:09] also here uh to present and can be more
specific in that.
[36:14] » Okay.
>> Yeah. I think that maybe we should give
[36:18] the time a little time, a few minutes to
the
[36:20] » applicant who also has a PowerPoint we
can go through and maybe it'll help us
[36:24] track visually
>> while she presents.
[36:27] » And as she comes up, I want to apologize
to Cassie and to all of you. Um, it
[36:31] looks like I I sent the other
presentations. I didn't send this one.
[36:35] So, sorry about that.
[36:42] » Welcome to welcome to the applicant.
make sure that the green light is on on
[36:45] the microphone and
>> give us a short
[36:50] » presentation.
>> Um, thank you [clears throat] for your
[36:51] time today. My name is Haley Pratt and
I'm a partner at Castlewood Development.
[36:56] Um, we are go the developer and builder
of the site. Um, when approaching this
[37:03] site, we paid a lot of attention. We
knew that we liked the location. We
[37:07] liked the proximity to transit. We loved
the proximity to the commercial services
[37:12] and the fact that it was already a
vacant site. There was no displacement.
[37:16] But we did understand that one of the
key factors was um making sure that we
[37:21] approached the site and the site design
so that it was contextually appropriate.
[37:25] So, um, even before I dive into the site
plan, one thing that we tried to do was
[37:30] even orient the way that the town homes
laid out on the site. So, that side um
[37:36] the side facade is is adjacent to the
side facade of the adjacent homes. And
[37:40] so, there were a lot of um design
elements that we approached with the
[37:46] site that um was trying to keep in mind
just that this is a neighborhood and
[37:50] that we need to respect those residents.
So, um
[37:56] Oh, next slide. Thank you. Um, then this
is just hitting on the fact that we're
[38:03] um providing missing middle housing
within um the Liberty Wells
[38:08] neighborhood. And next slide.
Uh this gives an idea of our floor
[38:14] plans. Like Cassie mentioned, the family
um oriented development was a key
[38:19] consideration. Um on the third floor, we
have three bedrooms. to cater to the
[38:26] family um dynamic. So um anyone with
children, they would be on the same
[38:31] level. And then we do have a fourth
floor or fourth bedroom in the on the
[38:35] first floor. Next one. Next slide,
please. Thank you. An illustrative site
[38:41] plan showing the landscape layout. Like
Cassie mentioned, we're three times over
[38:44] the open space um that's required in the
zone. Next slide.
[38:50] and we are going to be incorporating
some sort of educational component into
[38:55] the play area. Um again hitting on the
fact that we're trying to attract
[38:58] families in this community. Next slide.
[39:04] Now, um the community, we've had
multiple conversations with the
[39:08] community and and it some of them were
not easy and we've tried to accommodate
[39:13] as much as possible ways to alleviate
any sort of um negative impact on the
[39:19] residents. And three themes that we
heard were density, building scale and
[39:24] height, and parking. Um the way that we
addressed that was next slide.
[39:30] We dropped unit count. pretty
straightforward. Um you can see the old
[39:35] plan um and then the revised plan. Next
slide.
[39:42] Another um factor was the scale and
height. And we did we addressed this in
[39:46] a few ways. Um the first being we
increased the front setback to 13 ft.
[39:54] Next slide. Oh, actually can we go back
one? It also Oh, well next slide. Sorry.
[40:01] I think it's later on.
>> [laughter]
[40:04] » Um, and as you can see in this exhibit,
it's just a general schematic showing
[40:08] that the 13 ft is not out of
neighborhood character. Um, it's
[40:12] generally in line with what a lot of the
existing homes are, what you see along
[40:17] those those frontages. So, next slide.
Height and scale. We've committed to
[40:25] keeping it to 30 ft. Um, even though the
reszone would allow up to 35, the
[40:31] adjacent zone I believe allows up to 28
ft. So, it's a comparable height step
[40:37] up. And I acknowledge it's a step up,
but um, we're trying to be gentle about
[40:41] it. Next slide.
We have also significantly increased the
[40:48] western setback. So the the property
boundary that we're actually sharing
[40:51] with existing single family homes, we've
increased that side setback
[40:55] substantially
um to try and alleviate any sort of um
[40:59] people brought up shade on their garden
and things like that in the rear yards.
[41:04] Next slide.
Parking. Um, we have added eight guest
[41:11] parking stalls on the site. And so our
parking ratio is 2.36 stalls per town
[41:16] home, which is is substantial and
something that we we wouldn't anticipate
[41:23] there being much spillover parking
within the neighborhood. Next slide.
[41:29] And that's it. Um, our target is
families. Um, we're excited about this
[41:34] project, excited about the site, and I'm
happy to answer any questions you have.
[41:40] » Council members, council member Carlson.
>> Um, I don't think I have any additional
[41:44] questions. I've had an opportunity to
connect with a developer and connect
[41:48] with um, community members who are
concerned about this development. Um,
[41:53] and uh, I imagine we'll hear some more
about their concerns about the
[41:57] development, but I do want to uh,
acknowledge the developer for making
[42:02] adjustments to the plan that were in
direct response to some of the community
[42:05] input. And even some of the community
residents said, "We felt very heard by
[42:10] the developer, even if they might not
over overall agree with the overall
[42:14] direction of the of the development."
So, just want to uh, acknowledge that.
[42:20] » Thank you.
[42:23] Thank you. Um I I see that uh your plans
talk about 10,000 square feet of open
[42:31] space uh which I think it's going to be
a great amenity uh for the residents uh
[42:36] there u but on the consideration that we
have quite every day in this council
[42:42] related to water. I would like to know
uh how much of of that is going to be
[42:48] grass uh you know do you have any idea?
Um, so I don't have a detailed landscape
[42:53] plan at this point. We typically don't
do large sod or turf areas unless it's a
[43:00] dedicated play area. So most of it would
be um perennial plantings around the the
[43:07] play area. Now, if it if as we're
playing around with it, we decide we
[43:11] want to set aside, you know, a pet
relief area or um you know, something
[43:16] else that would that would be well
suited for sod, we would do that. But
[43:20] otherwise it would be a water-wise
water-wise um landscape design.
[43:25] » I think I I would prefer if we that if
we put that in in in part as part of the
[43:30] agreement um that you know that you
committing to water wise um plantings uh
[43:36] we have done it in other projects in the
past uh and uh it sort of
[43:42] it should be percolating and of of all
the projects moving forward in my
[43:46] opinion. Um, I think like based on the
renderings you showed, it seems like you
[43:50] are going to do it right already from
the beginning. Um, but I feel like that
[43:55] in my mind should be part of the the
requirement moving forward. I don't know
[43:59] if other council members feel like
that's important, too.
[44:05] Any other thoughts?
Oh, no,
[44:10] » we're good.
>> And we'd be happy to commit to the water
[44:13] wise component.
>> Okay, that that makes it easier. Thank
[44:15] you.
>> Thank you.
[44:20] » Okay.
Moving on to uh an ordinance related to
[44:26] the alley vacation at approximately 750
South Main Street. This is item number
[44:31] three. Uh we're going to welcome at the
table Michael Sanders, council policy
[44:35] analyst and Kins Linquist is going to
stay at the table, planning our planning
[44:40] manager. Um, also we have the applicant
uh representatives for the applicant
[44:46] here at the table. Uh, so yes, uh,
Michael,
[44:51] thank you, council. So, Inter Mountain
Health has submitted an application
[44:56] requesting that the city vacate a
publicly owned alley [snorts] adjacent
[44:59] to properties at 750 South Main Street,
778 South Main Street, 16 West 800
[45:06] South, and 755 South Richard Street.
Vacating the alley would support a
[45:11] future off-site parking structure with
an accompanying Skybridge to Inter
[45:14] Mountain Health's planned hospital east
of Main Street. Please note that this is
[45:19] the first alley vacation which has been
through the new alley vacation process
[45:23] adopted in March of this year that
allows certain that allows in certain
[45:27] circumstances for alley vacations to not
go through the planning commission
[45:31] process but rather come to the council
following an analysis of certain
[45:36] criteria and receiving a recommendation
from the planning director. The planning
[45:40] director has forwarded a positive
recommendation that the council approve
[45:43] the alley vacation.
Thank you, Michael. Next slide.
[45:50] All right. As Michael mentioned, this is
a request from Inter Mountain Health to
[45:54] vacate an existing alley approximately
located at 750 South Maine. The alley
[46:00] runs south to north from 800 South
between Richard Street and Main Street.
[46:06] The planning director forwarded a
positive recommendation to the city
[46:09] council. Next slide.
The northern portion of the subject
[46:14] alley was previously vacated between
1981 and 1999. The alley is currently
[46:20] used as a drive aisle and parking for
Ken Garf and the Abuing Auto Body Shop
[46:25] which is shown in the photo.
The purpose of the vacation is to
[46:29] consolidate the sites from four parcels
into two so that um Inter Mountain
[46:34] Health can build a parking structure on
the northern parcel. Ken Garf does
[46:39] intend to expand and reconfigure the
existing non-compliant parking lot um on
[46:44] this southern parcel. Next slide.
So um under the new review process,
[46:51] there are uh factors of review and the
requested alley vacation does not comply
[46:57] with one um and that is the lack of use.
The alley is open and exists for the
[47:03] purpose of providing access to the site
from 800 South. The parking lot use of
[47:08] the alley is relatively new, replacing
an L's L Wells Fargo building that was
[47:15] demolished in uh 2021, and the alleyway
and the parking lot are separated by a
[47:21] fence. With that said, the requested
alley vacation does meet the additional
[47:27] factors of review. So for public safety,
it would not inhibit emergency access or
[47:33] existing proposed structures. The
existence of the public way is not tied
[47:37] to increased crime, unsafe conditions,
public health problems, or blight. And
[47:41] the alley is currently maintained by
Kenarf and is visually part of their
[47:45] property. The community purpose, the
purpose of vacating the alley is to
[47:51] consolidate the four parcels um for the
redevelopment of the property just east
[47:57] of the site into a hospital and the
hospital use serves an important
[48:02] community purpose and cannot function
without sufficient parking. Impact on
[48:07] general plan. The proposed vacation
satisfies the standards of the adopted
[48:11] general plan by protecting current and
future infrastructure, circulation, and
[48:15] connectivity.
Uh impact to the property. The proposed
[48:19] vacation will not result in a parcel or
lot being deprived of access or
[48:23] landlocked.
Uh public utilities. The public way is
[48:27] not considered essential for the
location of future public utilities
[48:32] and it is not required for access to
public utility infrastructure.
[48:37] And then the requested dimensions for
the vacation is approximately 2402
[48:42] square feet. Uh that measures about 8.25
ft wide by 248 ft long.
[48:52] Next slide, please.
And as mentioned earlier, the planning
[48:56] director recommended that the city
council approve this request. I can
[49:00] answer any questions at this time. And
um a representative from IH is here to
[49:04] answer any questions as well.
Council members.
[49:08] » Oh, and you have a presentation, right?
>> I do. Yeah, if that's okay. Yeah,
[49:12] » it's brief.
>> We'll give you the time.
[49:16] » Let's see. You We're waiting for your
presentation to populate.
[49:24] You can say next slide when you're ready
for the next slide.
[49:28] » Perfect. Yeah. Well, good afternoon,
council. My name is Chad Moahan. I'm
[49:31] here representing Inter Mountain Health
um to discuss the alley vacation. Next
[49:36] slide, please.
As has been shared um previously by the
[49:40] planning team, this is uh the northwest
corner of 800 South and Main Street. The
[49:46] alley itself is represented there by the
red bar um which comes uh up from 800
[49:52] South into kind of the middle of the
property. It's landlocked actually by
[49:56] four different parcels that um have
shared ownership between Inner Mountain
[50:00] and Kengarf, which I'll share on the
next slide, please.
[50:05] Um so just some detail regarding the the
parcels but um that's the survey of of
[50:12] the site there on the right hand side. A
little difficult to see. Sorry it's
[50:15] small. Um but you can see the parking
lot owned by Ken Garf which is
[50:20] represented as parcel 4 there on the
bottom right hand side. Um the auto body
[50:26] shop on the left hand side. Um and then
there's a a parcel one at the very top
[50:31] of the plan. um which is a Inner
Mountain owned site currently being
[50:35] occupied by Herz Renar and then in
between on the left hand side there's
[50:39] also another Kgarf parcel. So it's a
kind of a mix of a few different
[50:44] parcels. There's five in total including
the alley. Um and as was mentioned the
[50:49] alleyway is a little over 2,000 square
feet. Next slide please.
[50:55] So this is the proposed um final parcel
orientation for the site. Again, just
[51:00] trying to sort of assemble these these
lots so it's a little more um a little
[51:05] more logical, a little more workable for
the owners. Um but the intent here is to
[51:11] vacate the alleyway. Um as was
referenced, it's it's very narrow um
[51:15] between 8 and 10 ft wide and a little
over 200 feet um in length. There's not
[51:20] a whole lot of potential use cases for
that site. Um but the vacation of the
[51:26] alley does give both Inter Mountain and
Garf an opportunity to reorient the
[51:30] parcel um into two as opposed to five um
future parcels. One on the north side
[51:37] which is represented as parcel one there
and one on the south side represented as
[51:41] parcel two. Um Inter Mountain would be
the northernmost parcel and Garf would
[51:46] be the southernmost parcel. Um and again
the the intent is to maintain um at
[51:52] least for Garf a consistent use with
what they're doing today which is
[51:55] overflow for the adjacent car dealership
um and for Inter Mountain as was
[51:59] referenced previous a multi-story
parking garage um with street activation
[52:05] um that will serve the larger Sears
block to the east of Main Street.
[52:10] And
>> that was actually short.
[52:13] » Amazing. That was short.
>> Yeah. Well, I didn't have as much
[52:16] content as everybody else. It's uh
relatively simple compared to some of
[52:20] the other ones.
>> Any uh thoughts? Uh yes.
[52:26] » Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um um this is
probably for planning staff. I'm
[52:30] wondering how many of these sky bridges
we have in the city? Do they present any
[52:36] uh safety issues?
Did you say sky bridges in the city?
[52:42] » Sky bridg.
>> Sky bridges. There is a proposed
[52:44] skybridge that would be coming to the
council in the future. Um, but it is not
[52:49] part of the current alley vacation
request.
[52:53] I
>> I guess to this question though is maybe
[52:56] to the applicant is the sky bridge still
part of your plan.
[53:01] » Yes, that's what we would like to do.
Correct. And to me, I feel like I would
[53:05] like to um discuss the Ali vacation in
context of of of that because the sky
[53:13] bridges have history in Salt Lake uh or
or a few of them or the one um and I
[53:21] feel like uh it will be good for us to
put it all together, you know, to
[53:25] present it to the community. There's a
lot of opinions out there about Sky
[53:28] Bridges.
>> Sure. So I personally would like to uh
[53:32] do are you guys soon going to start
presenting the do you know if there is a
[53:37] timeline for the sky bridge to come
through the city?
[53:40] » Yeah. Yeah. So with respect to the
skybridge, um a little different process
[53:44] than the alley vacation, but I think
what where we ultimately landed um with
[53:48] planning in the city's attorney's office
was a easement that would be for the sky
[53:53] bridge and then that would be
accompanied by a full set of plans that
[53:56] would detail essentially where the sky
bridge would connect, what it would look
[53:59] like, all the architecturing,
engineering details behind it. um that
[54:03] would follow in a subsequent agreement
after the alley. Once we vacate the
[54:07] alley just procedurally um we would need
to reorient the lot and pursue a
[54:12] development agreement that would um be
associated with the parking uh surface
[54:17] parking and the parking structure itself
and then there would be a a subsequent
[54:21] application is our understanding and uh
conversations with planning that would
[54:25] um be for the skybridge itself.
>> Okay. I I I you know I think that just
[54:31] to tie those two together will be very
beneficial to me. Um but I generally I
[54:37] have no big concerns about the the you
know another Ali vacation. Um I I do um
[54:46] I do want to say you know that you know
I went and toured uh LDS yesterday uh
[54:53] you know the hospital and uh IC team was
great in showing us what they're what
[54:59] they do. Um so uh I'm excited to see
some of those things uh being in a
[55:05] modern building downtown, some of those
services being in downtown. I think that
[55:09] uh it's going to be um a big deal. Um I
also uh many of us received a letter
[55:16] today from the county council uh and the
county mayor asking us to to um to all
[55:22] be on the table to talk about mental
health services and uh you know
[55:27] behavioral health services. So maybe
during this time and this few weeks we
[55:32] can unlock some more conversations about
uh what uh everybody's doing uh and how
[55:38] we can all pitch in uh into the work
that and highlight the work that you
[55:42] guys do too. Um so I'm hoping that that
buys us some time to uh to discuss some
[55:48] of those uh those other conversations
and I will uh I think I forwarded the
[55:52] letter to all of you uh um you know when
I received it like an hour ago. So, um,
[55:58] yeah, that's all I have right now. Any
other thoughts?
[56:03] » If I may just clarify on the types of
applications that will be coming
[56:06] forward, IH needs to submit a text
amendment to enter into a new
[56:11] development agreement for the parking
structure that is offsite and that would
[56:16] um needs to accompany a general plan
amendment as well for the skybridge. So,
[56:21] both of those are legislative and would
be coming back to the council.
[56:24] » Okay. Thank you. I yeah that's that's uh
the timeline is is great and certainly I
[56:31] think time is of the essence I'm sure um
so presenting the documents through the
[56:35] city and going through the process uh to
make sure that it makes it here fast it
[56:39] will be ideal um so thank you
>> yeah thank you
[56:43] » likewise thank you all
[56:49] » sorry [laughter]
>> you are our guest uh you know famous
[56:54] speaker today. Um item number four is an
alley vacation near 2553 South Chadwick
[57:02] Street. Um Kelsey Linquist at the table,
a planning manager and then Austin Kim
[57:08] Kimmel, council policy analysis is going
to give us a short introduction.
[57:12] » Great. Thanks, council members. This is
a proposal to vacate two portions of
[57:16] Public alleyway near 2553 South Chadwick
Street in District 7. Those alleyway
[57:23] portions are first a 262 ft alley
running east to west from Chadwick
[57:29] Street to Dearborn Street. The second is
a 51 ft alley between the two streets
[57:33] running north to south. The applicants
request the alleyway vacation to build a
[57:38] larger detached garage replacing a
smaller one at the rear of the property.
[57:44] The planning commission discussed and
forwarded a positive recommendation for
[57:47] the proposed alleyway vacation to the
city council during its April 22nd
[57:52] meeting. And with that, I will turn it
over to Kelsey.
[57:56] » All right, next slide, please.
All right, as Austin mentioned, um this
[58:03] is a request from the property owners
located at 2553 Chadwick to vacate two
[58:08] portions of um two public alleyways due
to lack of use. The applicant's property
[58:14] is identified on in yellow on the screen
and the two sections of the alleyways
[58:19] are identified in blue. The east west
portion which is light blue runs along
[58:24] about six properties and is
approximately 12 ft wide by 262 ft long.
[58:30] And the north south alleyway identified
in dark blue runs along two properties
[58:35] and is approximately 12 x 51 ft long. Um
if the alleyways are vacated the alleys
[58:41] would be divided and allocated to the
property owners abudding the vacated
[58:44] portions. Next slide please.
The east west alleyway vacation includes
[58:51] the entirety of that section. The north
south is just a portion of the entire
[58:56] alleyway which is illustrated on the
screen. It's important to note that
[59:00] several accessory structures currently
block access through these sections of
[59:04] alleyways which can be seen in these
aerials. Next slide.
[59:12] Historic aerials illustrate this the um
same lack of use and restricted access.
[59:20] Next slide.
This is a photo from Chadwick Street to
[59:26] illustrate the lack of use. Next slide,
please.
[59:33] And a photo from Dearbornne. Same
illustration. Next slide.
[59:39] The request that alley vacations comply
with the applicable standards that
[59:43] address uh lack of use. Uh the alley has
essentially been materially blocked um
[59:49] which has rendered it unusable. Next
slide.
[59:54] And the planning commission boarded a
positive recommendation to the city
[59:57] council. I do believe the applicants are
here today and I'm happy to answer any
[1:00:03] questions.
[1:00:06] Council members, let's welcome the
applicant then. Um, and uh, do you have
[1:00:11] a do you have a Yeah, come come to the
table. Join. Uh,
[1:00:17] do you have a presentation or are you
here for answering questions?
[1:00:21] » Oh, I'm the property owner.
>> Yes. Do you have a presentation or
[1:00:24] » Oh, sorry. I don't have a presentation.
Can I just say a few things?
[1:00:27] » Yes. Go ahead, Council Member Young.
>> Yeah. Thank you. Um, so it's been fun.
[1:00:33] This particular item was like
entertaining because I got to
[1:00:37] participate both as a council member but
also as a neighbor. So, um, I got one of
[1:00:42] the notices from our planning department
saying this is happening in your
[1:00:46] neighborhood and like if you want to
give input to the planning commission
[1:00:49] and I was like I do. Um, and so anyway,
I just appreciate the thorowness um, and
[1:00:56] also um, the professionalism of my
neighbors in terms of working handinhand
[1:01:01] with the city to be able to get this
resolved. Um, it has long been an
[1:01:06] outstanding unusable alley. Um, and by
moving this forward, it not only
[1:01:10] benefits this particular homeowner, but
the homeowners around related to the
[1:01:14] maintenance of many of their existing
structures, garages, etc. So, full
[1:01:19] support and just thank you for your
engagement with the city.
[1:01:25] » Thank you.
>> Thank you for switching hats there from
[1:01:29] a neighbor to a council member and back
and forth. Um, any other thoughts?
[1:01:34] » Okay, it seems like it's uh pretty
straightforward. It seems like we Thank
[1:01:38] you for the information. Thank you.
>> Thank you.
[1:01:45] » Moving on to item number five.
>> [gasps]
[1:01:49] » It's a resolution building fee waiver
for Ivory Innovations de development at
[1:01:54] approximately 77
South 400 East. We're going to welcome
[1:02:00] Allison Roland, council policy analyst,
Tommy Huner, maybe not. Uh
[1:02:05] [clears throat]
Mike Akerlo, deputy director of
[1:02:08] community services, uh and Juliana
Landis, uh community um can management
[1:02:14] analyst.
Hi again. Yes. Um Tammy had a family
[1:02:21] issue come up, so she isn't able to be
here today. This item is a request from
[1:02:25] Ivory Innovations, a nonprofit
organization for a building permit fee
[1:02:29] waiver for some of the units in a new
housing development on 707 South 400
[1:02:33] East. The development includes 66 new
rental housing units, of which 50 would
[1:02:38] be offered at or below 80% of AMI for 15
years. City policy allows building
[1:02:45] permit fee waiverss to be granted by the
council to a nonprofit organization that
[1:02:49] develops housing priced at or below 80%
of of AMI.
[1:02:55] The ordinance requires an informal
public hearing and that the director of
[1:02:59] CAN decide whether or not to recommend
that the council adopt the request. The
[1:03:03] project was found eligible for a waiver
of 75% of the building fees which
[1:03:08] amounts to about $150,000.
No additional public hearing is required
[1:03:12] for this item and potential action is
scheduled for September 15th. I will
[1:03:18] turn it over to Juliana
>> or Mike.
[1:03:20] » I'm going to step in real quick uh just
to introduce this project and highlight
[1:03:25] it as a great example of uh the private
sector coming together um through a
[1:03:30] nonprofit building affordable housing in
our community without any government
[1:03:33] funding. Um, call to action is a
foundation started by Maverick and they
[1:03:38] partnered with Ivy Ivory Innovations to
build these uh, rental units. Um, and I
[1:03:44] think it's just a it's important to
highlight that that they have not used
[1:03:47] any city funding or other government
funding um, have not used the tax
[1:03:51] credits um, which is a very competitive
source. Um, so it's nice to see this
[1:03:56] kind of development happening within our
communities. Um
[1:04:01] this also a great example of adaptive
reuse uh of an existing building and new
[1:04:05] construction to bring affordable
housing. And I want to introduce
[1:04:08] Juliana. She is new to the city uh
working in housing and uh housing
[1:04:12] stability as uh the compliance analyst
and is looking at all things impact fees
[1:04:17] uh and building permit fees regarding
affordable housing. So turn it over to
[1:04:21] her.
>> Thanks Mike. Um we can go to the next
[1:04:26] slide.
Okay. So, first I'll just talk a bit
[1:04:29] about the code and the process that
we've gone through so far. So, Salt Lake
[1:04:34] City Code 182022
states that nonprofit organizations may
[1:04:40] petition Salt Lake City to wave or defer
fees for the development of affordable
[1:04:44] housing. Um, and currently the first
step in the process is housing stability
[1:04:50] staff. Uh so me and my team will request
information from the developer to verify
[1:04:55] that they're eligible under the code for
these waiverss. Then uh an informal
[1:05:00] public meeting was held on January 14th
for this project for the CAN director to
[1:05:05] review the application allow for
questions from the applicant and then
[1:05:10] from there housing stability worked with
the developer and the attorney's office
[1:05:14] to negotiate a restrictive use agreement
uh which we would then sign and record
[1:05:18] if the waiver is approved. So, as of
July, the CAN director has recommended
[1:05:24] that this fee waiver be approved. And
then the fee waiver ordinance states
[1:05:28] that the director's recommendation will
be made to city council um for you all
[1:05:33] to hear. And then just a note on sort of
that administrative process. There are
[1:05:38] updates to 18202
in the works with a goal to sort of
[1:05:44] shift this process to align a bit better
with the current process that is
[1:05:49] administrative for impact fee exemptions
uh where the CAN director has authority
[1:05:54] to just approve them and we wouldn't
need to involve council going forward.
[1:05:59] Um then we can go to the next slide
please. So now for more specifics on
[1:06:04] this project. Uh this project is
Innovation Park at Liberty Wells at 707
[1:06:10] South 400 East. Um like Allison already
said, it's 66 units in total. 30 units
[1:06:18] are being restricted at 60% AMI and 20
units are being restricted at 80% AMI.
[1:06:25] Uh the term of the restrictive use
agreement would be for 15 years uh once
[1:06:29] it's signed and recorded.
Since 75% of the units would be
[1:06:34] affordable at or below 80% AMI, uh the
project is eligible for a waiver of 75%
[1:06:40] of the building permit fees. Uh which is
estimated to be about $150,000.
[1:06:47] And then just a notice, $106,500
in impact fees were previously waved for
[1:06:53] those 30 units that are affordable at
60% AMI.
[1:06:58] The project is well on its way. It's
expected to be completed next month in
[1:07:03] September and the project is being
developed by Ivory Innovations which is
[1:07:07] a 501c3 nonprofit.
Um on the next slide we have some
[1:07:14] renderings of what the project is
expected to look like. It looks pretty
[1:07:19] similar to this uh if you go by it right
now.
[1:07:23] And then the next slide shows uh sort of
an site plan view where you can see that
[1:07:31] adaptive reuse component that Mike
mentioned. Um that portion is 30
[1:07:36] apartment units, 27 onebedrooms, and
three twobedrooms. And then in the blue
[1:07:41] box are the town home section. It's 36
town homes, 22bedroom, and 16 3bedroom.
[1:07:49] Um that's all I have for you. If you do
have any questions, I think the
[1:07:55] applicant was planning on coming. Oh
yes, applicants here if you have
[1:07:58] questions more about uh site specifics
or the development or we can take other
[1:08:03] questions.
>> Initial thoughts, council members, or we
[1:08:06] invite the applicant then to the table.
We Yes. Do you do you have a
[1:08:12] presentation or just here to answer
questions?
[1:08:14] » No, I'm just here to answer questions if
you have any.
[1:08:17] » Okay. Any questions for the applicant?
Okay, it seems like you
[1:08:24] Chris. Okay. No, I think like we're
good. Thank you for the presentation.
[1:08:29] Appreciate it.
>> Thank you.
[1:08:30] » Thank you.
>> Didn't mean to put it on your spot.
[1:08:38] » Um, so council members, we have a
tentative break right now. Um, and
[1:08:44] technically we're supposed to be
uh back at 4, but I think um can do you
[1:08:50] think there is a possibility uh to try
to get some of these items to move a
[1:08:54] little ahead of time?
>> Okay, let's take a 20-minut break and
[1:08:59] let's see how far we get. So, let's meet
here at 3:25.
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[1:39:05] » Welcome back to
welcome back to the council uh work
[1:39:11] session. Um we are now in item number
seven. Uh this is an ordinance for the
[1:39:16] administrative organization text
amendments for public services. We're
[1:39:20] going to welcome Kate Barrett uh council
policy analysis at the table and then
[1:39:24] Horge Chamoro maybe uh oh no he's here
of course um director of public services
[1:39:30] um Kate.
[1:39:34] » Great. Thank you. Public services has
requested tax amendments to title two of
[1:39:39] the Salt Lake City code. The proposal
would codify a few things that have been
[1:39:45] happening
um due um since the fiscal year 26
[1:39:50] budget um was initiated or was approved
by you and then some other items also
[1:39:56] including the creation of of the
division of architecture and
[1:39:59] construction management, the name change
of the compliance division to urban
[1:40:03] services, an updated description of the
powers, responsibilities and
[1:40:09] requirements for for the city architect.
Additionally, while not included in this
[1:40:15] code amendment, there is a possible city
code amendment that you may consider
[1:40:20] initiating a legislative intent to
support. This has been a city council
[1:40:26] interest. Oh, there has been a city code
interest in codifying the name change of
[1:40:32] city of the city and county building to
city hall. The current name has caused
[1:40:36] confusion regarding the building's
purpose. The name change would lead to
[1:40:40] better aligning the name with its
function and use.
[1:40:44] » You're welcome. [laughter]
Anyways, go ahead.
[1:40:49] » Yes, the mayor recently initiated this
name change and is now being
[1:40:53] incorporated in several locations.
Public services plans to present the
[1:40:57] name change proposal to the use and
consery committee. If the committee
[1:41:02] provides positive feedback, the
administration will identify all the
[1:41:05] city code sections that require updates,
including title 15 and title two, and
[1:41:11] transmit recommendations to council for
consideration.
[1:41:15] You may consider a possible legislative
intent um with language included in the
[1:41:20] policy questions and discussion section.
If you would like that, I'll turn over
[1:41:25] to Jorge.
>> So, quick quick note. Thank you, Jorge.
[1:41:29] Um the the um
we uh for for for a little while now
[1:41:37] with administration and the mayors uh
wanted to consolidate the name they you
[1:41:41] know they made some good changes on that
but we still have in in the ordinances
[1:41:46] this uh wrong uh title. Um so I wanted
to make sure that from when we're
[1:41:52] approving ordinances that we start we
changing this to the correct uh name. Um
[1:41:58] but because of timing uh we are going to
let this one go. Um and you know keep
[1:42:04] the city county building and the
language of of this uh of this
[1:42:09] resolution I mean this ordinance. Um but
the intent will be that uh we we change
[1:42:17] this uh for for good. Um so people
looking for the county don't come here
[1:42:22] ever. Um so that's the hope. Anyways, uh
Horge, your time. Sorry for that.
[1:42:30] » Thank you. Good afternoon, council. Um
yeah, I'm here basically to answer any
[1:42:36] questions that you may have. Uh the
summary that Kate uh provided uh
[1:42:41] included basically all of the items that
we wanted to hit in this text amendment.
[1:42:47] There are two uh sections of code um
2.08 08 and 2.39
[1:42:55] and those are basically reflecting um as
Kate mentioned um how we are managing
[1:43:03] administratively
um the the department and also a few
[1:43:08] functions that uh ever since fiscal year
26 were um left in the department
[1:43:15] particularly the architecture and
construction management division. So for
[1:43:20] those that were not here uh last last
fiscal year um what occurred was the
[1:43:26] engineering division was uh split
everything that has to do with the right
[1:43:33] of way and uh construction in the right
of way. Um that group uh is
[1:43:41] managed by the city engineer and it was
moved to the um community and
[1:43:46] neighborhoods department. Whereas
everything construction related outside
[1:43:52] of the right of way meaning buildings uh
parks everything that is not roads you
[1:43:58] know from the curb back um that is
managed by the city architect and we are
[1:44:04] defining that in the text amendment and
that function remained in public
[1:44:08] services. So we're basically just um
clarifying
[1:44:13] what occurred last year and ensuring
that is is uh described in code.
[1:44:20] No additions simply just stating what
the way we are handling right now. Um in
[1:44:27] regards the uh section 2.39 which refers
to the conservancy and use committee it
[1:44:33] is correct the title itself is um city
and county use and conservancy committee
[1:44:40] and it defines how that committee should
be structured and it mentions multiple
[1:44:44] times uh refers to this building as the
city and county building. And so in
[1:44:49] addition to that section of code, there
are other parts of uh city code that
[1:44:53] still mention uh city and county
building. And that's the part that it
[1:44:57] will take a little bit of time to do
those uh redlinining and uh propose
[1:45:01] those changes. But um the first step
that we wanted to consider in the
[1:45:05] administrative side is presented to the
board, right? um which they are uh they
[1:45:12] function in an advisory capacity and
it's important for us to consult them in
[1:45:16] in major changes like this.
The next meeting is scheduled for um
[1:45:23] September
can tell you right now it's the third
[1:45:27] Monday of the month. So we will put that
in the agenda and uh certainly be back
[1:45:32] with you um with their feedback.
So any questions that you have happy to
[1:45:41] » I'm very very in favor of any effort to
consistently rename this building city
[1:45:50] hall. Um I just think that we we should
um for the sake of the public make
[1:45:58] things as clear as possible. Um, I think
especially with the county relocating,
[1:46:04] um, you know, it's one thing if you have
to get in the wrong place and you have
[1:46:08] to go down to 21st South, it's another
if you have to go to Midvail. Um, but
[1:46:12] aside from that,
um, I I I really want to move forward
[1:46:18] with City Hall. I hope that the board
will be um
[1:46:23] in support um of that um because
uh I I know it's probably going to take
[1:46:30] some budget to there's still some
lettering on the building. There's
[1:46:33] still, you know, probably other areas,
but I think it's worth it to have
[1:46:38] clarity for the public about where they
should go when they need to address
[1:46:42] their local governments. So, I'm very in
favor of this. I've been on like a
[1:46:46] personal crusade about this for many
years. So would love to see this move
[1:46:51] forward.
Thanks.
[1:46:56] » I I know that you wanted to make a
there's a lot of important changes
[1:47:00] you're making in this ordinance. Um so
thank you for that. the I mean I I have
[1:47:06] you know
are there costs associated additional
[1:47:10] costs associated with the division
the compliance division or changing to
[1:47:17] urban services?
>> No no budget impacts at all.
[1:47:20] » Okay. We're not going to like start
peeling labels out of cars or anything
[1:47:24] like that.
>> Yeah.
[1:47:26] » Okay. Um, I mean I'm not a huge fan of
that urban services either as a name,
[1:47:31] but you know it's it's an administrative
thing. So I will it's not my for me to
[1:47:36] to say that. But um generally I u I am
support um and I'm excited to u to
[1:47:43] clarify for the public what this
building is about and you know what it's
[1:47:47] not about. I don't want us to recarve
the stones. That's the only thing I
[1:47:51] don't want us to do. But you know there
are some stones over there that said
[1:47:54] city county building. They're not.
>> They're not
[1:47:59] » Oh, really? I really Chris already.
>> I'm doing some work on my own.
[1:48:04] » You You know, so someone checked the
cameras. Uh Chris is climbing the
[1:48:08] building.
>> It's cute that you think that they would
[1:48:10] let you do that anyway. [laughter]
>> So, but but in general, I I'm I'm
[1:48:15] excited to ensure that when people are
googling, even with a map, they can
[1:48:19] actually find the correct building. Um
so, um thank thank you. Okay. Thank you.
[1:48:27] H council members, we're gonna have to
take another
[1:48:30] um break um
because
[1:48:36] » Okay, never mind.
[1:48:40] » Okay.
>> So, yes. So, we're going to have to take
[1:48:42] a break. Uh we're going to have to take
a break until
[1:48:46] they're good to go.
>> Oh, they're good to go. Oh, okay.
[1:48:50] » That's confusing.
[1:48:58] Alison Roland, we're going to move on to
item number eight, uh,formational
[1:49:02] item, which is Select City's emergency
diversified response programs. Alison
[1:49:07] Roland, council policy analyst at the
table. Andrew Johnson, senior advisor.
[1:49:11] Megan Jul, deputy chief administrative
officer.
[1:49:15] » Thank you, Mr. Chair. This is the first
of a planned series of briefings on the
[1:49:19] elements of the city's diversified
response approaches to public safety.
[1:49:23] Since 2016, the council has supported
the creation of new types of responses
[1:49:26] to public safety challenges and
emergencies. One reason is that the fire
[1:49:30] and police departments have been facing
changes in their work. Specifically,
[1:49:34] there are more calls from or related to
people who are in crisis and have
[1:49:38] nowhere else to turn. In many cases,
these are people who also are
[1:49:41] experiencing homelessness, mental
illness, addiction, or some combination
[1:49:45] of these. Another reason is that
diversified responses can provide more
[1:49:50] effective and efficient alternatives to
mobilizing traditional fire and police
[1:49:54] resources. And the diversified response
teams within these departments can
[1:49:58] provide specialized and ongoing
assistance to help community members
[1:50:01] find the resources they need. Finally,
the diversified response units in other
[1:50:06] departments help mitigate some of the
unintended side effects that
[1:50:10] homelessness, untreated mental illness,
and addiction present for other city
[1:50:14] residents. So, there's a lot to talk
about. Working with Megan and the
[1:50:19] mayor's office, we decided to
concentrate the first briefing in this
[1:50:22] series on an overview of the diversified
response programs and then begin with
[1:50:26] more detail on the fire and police
department's roles.
[1:50:31] So, we're starting today with the
emergency with the
[1:50:37] diversified response uh units that are
characterized in the transmitter as
[1:50:40] emergency responses.
and we anticipate future briefings
[1:50:45] that'll focus on the other four teams uh
in non-emergency
[1:50:51] alter or diversified responses. So, I
will turn it over to Megan and Andrew to
[1:50:57] tell us all about it.
>> Thanks, Alison. Uh first,
[1:51:00] » sorry, really quickly while they're
getting started, just wanted to make
[1:51:03] sure the council members all saw this
handy sheet. So, there's going to be
[1:51:06] lots of acronyms thrown at you, so just
have your sheet ready. [laughter]
[1:51:12] » So, I think Andre, sorry for
interrupting you. Um, we I'm very
[1:51:16] excited to having these briefings
because it's almost like we always
[1:51:21] talking about this in the context of the
budget. Um, and I I was hoping and I
[1:51:25] thank you for for your team and on the
administration side to
[1:51:30] putting time aside for briefing us, but
also for the community, right, to to
[1:51:35] understand all the things that the city
does. Um but I think it's important for
[1:51:40] us to really understand how this whole
thing works. Uh and many times we're
[1:51:45] talking in the context of the budget and
I don't get the time to dive in as like
[1:51:49] I should. So I'm I'm looking forward to
this. So thank you.
[1:51:52] » Sure. Uh we're going to try and be as
fast or as slow as you'd like. I'll put
[1:51:57] it that way. Um, that acronym list is
going to be very important because if an
[1:52:01] acronym is put out here by us, um, and
you want to make sure it's clarified for
[1:52:05] the public or for you, just make sure
you ask because there's a lot in there,
[1:52:08] obviously. Uh, Megan's going to do a lot
of the heavy lifting today. She's done a
[1:52:12] ton of work on this. Very, very
knowledgeable. I appreciate you very
[1:52:14] much, Megan. Uh, we also have, uh,
members of emergency dispatch 911, uh,
[1:52:20] fire department and police department
here who can also answer questions uh,
[1:52:23] from their department needs. uh we
talked about dispatches here and then
[1:52:28] Rachel Otto uh apologizes she will be
here she hopes at some point during the
[1:52:32] presentation she'll also be a present
chief of staff of the mayor the first
[1:52:37] two slides I'm going to talk about
fairly quickly um
[1:52:42] introduction for basics the basics are
four out of the eight diversified
[1:52:46] response programs just police and fire
emergency dispatch and then dispatch
[1:52:49] protocol will be important here as well
next slide
[1:52:54] uh this the Key piece here is about
consistency. Uh some of these programs
[1:52:58] have been around for a decade now and
they have evolved to do different needs
[1:53:02] as the city has seen different needs on
the streets, but we tried to be very
[1:53:06] consistent and the next uh slide will
show three pieces to that. First one is
[1:53:11] making sure we're focused on individuals
in need and that's one of the the core
[1:53:15] attributes of this. There's a lot of
people who have needs out there that
[1:53:17] we're trying to address more
specifically have operational
[1:53:20] excellence. That means a lot of things
what you see up there, but also it means
[1:53:24] maximizing city resources and money to
the budget question. Always trying to be
[1:53:29] very efficient and effective with those
resources and then focus on the greater
[1:53:33] community. Um that's about our public
space to address those public spaces
[1:53:36] most effectively.
And Megan, I think to you now.
[1:53:40] » Yeah, my turn now. All right, next
slide.
[1:53:44] Okay, so let's start diving into the
programs. I spent a lot of time trying
[1:53:48] to figure out how to best categorize
these so we could chop it down to
[1:53:53] bite-size elements as we go into it. And
the best way I could find to do that was
[1:53:57] to split it between programs that were
more traditional diversified response or
[1:54:02] more emergency [clears throat] response.
So those coming from fire or police and
[1:54:07] on the right side are programs that are
a bit more supportive um supportive
[1:54:12] community services. So that might be um
less traditional diversified response,
[1:54:16] but it is what the community and
business owners are asking us the most
[1:54:20] for. And so they're in response to that.
Next slide.
[1:54:26] Okay. Looking at that big timeline back
to 10 years. I know that this is a bit
[1:54:30] small for you to see all the detail and
that's kind of the point. A lot has
[1:54:34] happened and a lot influenced the way
that these programs were implemented and
[1:54:37] how they've evolved over time. As Andrew
Johnston mentioned, um we've had these
[1:54:42] programs um since 2016 or at least the
one in police, which is our social
[1:54:49] workers at the police department, and
the medical response team and fire.
[1:54:53] Those have been around for 10 years. And
the ones that are circled in black,
[1:54:58] those are the ones we're going to talk
about today.
[1:55:00] » On this slide, the top line is about the
point in time count that's done every
[1:55:04] year by the state. And that shows you
the uh relative increases or decreases
[1:55:08] for those 10 years. And then below
you'll see um some major elements that
[1:55:13] have happened during that time. This is
not exhaustive list of everything that's
[1:55:15] happened in the homeless field.
>> Awesome. Next slide.
[1:55:20] Okay. And before diving in deeper, I do
want to highlight some of the work we
[1:55:24] did through the budget. Uh last year in
fiscal year 26 we consolidated the clean
[1:55:30] city team which resulted in a million
dollars of savings in our advantage
[1:55:34] services contract. In fiscal year 27
public services proposed to make that
[1:55:39] reduction ongoing because they felt that
they were able to be efficient in that
[1:55:44] way in an ongoing manner. And then we
added some additional cuts um that added
[1:55:50] up to about $2 million in the budget
that you um just reviewed. Next slide.
[1:55:57] Okay, back to the flowchart. Um, to
reorient us around the programs, we're
[1:56:01] going to talk about these four starting
with our social workers. Next slide.
[1:56:09] Okay, so first we're talking about first
acronym or probably said a few already.
[1:56:15] Um, CCT, the community connection team.
This is our social workers in the police
[1:56:20] department. Um, these social workers are
providing behavioral health support and
[1:56:25] crisis intervention. They also divert
calls from 911 and co-respond with sworn
[1:56:31] police officers using traumainformed
tools. Next slide.
[1:56:37] Okay. They have 16 FTEEs that are social
workers and they cover the entire city
[1:56:44] um working uh seven days a week 8:00
a.m. to midnight. And these are some of
[1:56:49] the primary call types. If you're
following along with the transmittal we
[1:56:54] sent in, this would be on page eight
where we have a bunch more information
[1:56:58] including some of the metrics that we
collected from each of the teams. Next
[1:57:02] slide.
All right, we have chat next. Community
[1:57:07] health and access team. These are our
social workers in the fire department.
[1:57:13] These social workers have been around
since 2022 and they are um paired with
[1:57:19] MRT which is the medical response team
in fire. I'll talk about that one in a
[1:57:23] minute. Um but they respond alongside
MRT to offer social service care during
[1:57:29] medical or traumatic emergencies. Next
slide.
[1:57:34] They have seven FTEEs. Um, and the
coverage there, chat five is in fire
[1:57:39] station five, chat six and fire station
six, and I think chat one is uh downtown
[1:57:45] in the PSB to respond from there. Uh,
and then these are some of their primary
[1:57:50] call types.
[1:57:54] Next slide.
Okay, so both of these programs are
[1:58:00] trying to divert calls from sworn
officers and firefighters taking out
[1:58:04] full firet trucks and full teams. Both
programs are using traumainformed
[1:58:10] approaches and they're filling gaps in
case management services. What's a bit
[1:58:15] more unique to the community connection
team and police is that they're also
[1:58:19] doing deescalation support um compared
to chat which is primarily focused on
[1:58:25] emergency room diversion. They're trying
to prevent people from going to the
[1:58:29] emergency room who could receive better
care um right at the site of the need.
[1:58:34] Uh, also unique to the community
connection team is they're doing longer
[1:58:38] term case management and they're also
leading the project connect pilot which
[1:58:42] is one of the um big outcomes from our
public safety steering committee
[1:58:46] meetings that we've been having with a
bunch of stakeholders across the county
[1:58:50] over the past year. Um, chat on the
other hand is doing shorter term case
[1:58:55] management and providing support for
witnesses of traumatic events. Really
[1:59:00] quickly, um just for um those that might
not be aware, uh the public safety plan
[1:59:05] came out of uh legislative ask was it la
a year and a half ago and project
[1:59:12] connect focuses on the top 50 users of
the public safety system where um the
[1:59:19] city kind of tries and connects deeply
with those people to help them not
[1:59:25] utilize the system. Is that the right
way to say I mean it might I'm probably
[1:59:28] You're correct. [laughter]
>> So, uh, we the 50 individuals were based
[1:59:33] off of interactions with Salt Lake City
Police Department over the previous 12
[1:59:36] months. That's where that list came
from. And then two social workers from
[1:59:40] the police social work team um began
doing that full-time as their job. So,
[1:59:46] there wasn't a new group sort of hired
to do this. And now, that's been going
[1:59:50] on for a year and a half. We have some
good outcomes from that. We can talk
[1:59:53] through that separately perhaps that's
helpful for you all. Um, I can also say
[1:59:56] that based on the success of that, uh,
the state legislature did, uh, through
[2:00:01] office of homeless services appropriate
money to expand that program this year
[2:00:05] and the police department's working on
that currently.
[2:00:07] » Council member Carlson.
>> Uh, thank you, chair. Um, I think this
[2:00:11] might be connected to my question, which
was, um, under what conditions does the
[2:00:16] CCT provide that long-term case
management? Is it just Project Connect
[2:00:21] individuals? Is it how do how do you
decide who receives this long-term case
[2:00:26] management?
>> Going to ask Christina Zido to come up
[2:00:29] here.
[2:00:37] » Good afternoon. Christina Zido, director
of behavioral health services for Salt
[2:00:41] Lake City Police Department. I oversee
our social work team as one of our um
[2:00:47] one of my responsibilities with the
department. And in terms of meeting
[2:00:52] those longer term case management or
therapy needs, um it really is based
[2:00:58] upon need and then our availability. We
know that there are a lot of gaps in
[2:01:03] insurance coverage for our community
members or members who don't have access
[2:01:08] to care because of lack of insurance.
And so with our severely and
[2:01:14] persistently mentally ill individuals
that we serve regularly, we provide case
[2:01:20] management for them until we're able to
get them connected to a system that's
[2:01:23] really holding and caring for them. So
definitely a bridge support in terms of
[2:01:28] the trauma therapy we do is very
similar. So if we have a community
[2:01:33] member who needs a couple of sessions
until they can get into a longer term
[2:01:37] care therapeutic relationship, we'll
provide that. if they're not going to
[2:01:41] have access to longer term care um
because of whatever their individual or
[2:01:47] family circumstances are, we can also
help stabilize them and make sure that
[2:01:52] they don't continue into crisis um
because we know early intervention
[2:01:57] really stops the the revolving nature of
crisis response.
[2:02:04] concern be true.
>> Is there a way if someone's with us
[2:02:09] longer term, they're going to be
intercepting with other entities across
[2:02:13] this? I mean, the most basic one feels
like the court system at the very least.
[2:02:19] Is there a way that we are coordinating
especially with other state agencies but
[2:02:24] also with other county and publicly
funded agencies to make sure that the
[2:02:28] case management that we're offering is
not only not redundant but is the most
[2:02:33] appropriate out of all that's available
to that person.
[2:02:40] » I have to push harder. [laughter]
That's an excellent question. And I I
[2:02:44] really appreciate that we do have an
interdisiplinary
[2:02:49] community spanning um care coordination
team that we do for the um that is
[2:02:57] separate from project connect. So
project connect is very resource case
[2:03:02] management care coordination focused um
for diversifi for our diversified
[2:03:08] response team where we are seeing you
know oftentimes the same individuals who
[2:03:13] are who are having um issues for a long
period of time and providing care for
[2:03:18] them. We are working with all of the
other community providers to understand
[2:03:23] which systems they're intersecting with,
where they've successfully connected for
[2:03:28] services previously, um, and and
coordinating care with them so that we
[2:03:33] don't have duplicative services so that
we don't have gaps in communication
[2:03:38] around needs. The coordination of that
team is very much on the behavioral
[2:03:42] health side of things. It doesn't
intersect with the co court system in
[2:03:46] the way that Project Connect care
coordination does. Um but it is a system
[2:03:50] where we can um bring in other community
members to make sure that that
[2:03:56] individual we're serving is really
getting what they need to reduce um
[2:04:01] their their trauma.
>> Generally if I fair to say generally if
[2:04:07] an individual is struggling outside say
right now if they're in a program the
[2:04:11] program will oftentimes provide a case
management part to it. If they're not in
[2:04:16] a program, they probably don't have case
management because there's not sort of
[2:04:18] floating case management in the
community like that these days. What
[2:04:21] happens with the police department is
they'll sort of see, I know this person
[2:04:24] over many, many months over and over
again. They're calling 911. They're in
[2:04:28] crisis. So, the police department will
say, it's in our best interest to try
[2:04:31] and stabilize them ourselves while we
try and get them into a program that
[2:04:34] would have the own case management. Is
that fair to say? So, it's sort of
[2:04:37] self-s serving some way for the police
department to make sure that it's
[2:04:40] decreasing the crisis stuff. Um but also
we just don't have sort of generally
[2:04:45] speaking floating case managers in the
entire sort of valley just helping
[2:04:49] people through the system. Um that's
something that I think ideally we'd love
[2:04:53] to have but is really program based at
this point.
[2:04:56] » So then we one of our primary goals here
is making sure that the judicial branch
[2:05:01] of the city has what it needs to keep
up. And so one of the LDA requests was
[2:05:07] that they need social workers. And so if
you're seeing these people, I'm assuming
[2:05:11] LDA is is a it's a likely collaborator
on the list of people who are on this
[2:05:17] top 50. And so are we able to mitigate
expenses elsewhere in the city budget? I
[2:05:25] I'm I'm not looking to short change. I I
was a case manager, believe fully in it,
[2:05:30] but I do want to mitigate the
redundancies, especially as we're
[2:05:34] working double and triple time to make
sure that, you know, dimes do the work
[2:05:39] of dollars to make sure that everyone's
resourced well. Um, does this case
[2:05:45] management
help with that alleviate alleviating
[2:05:49] that need later in the pipeline?
>> Potentially. I think we are able to
[2:05:55] bring different resources to the table
oftent times and we I mean the LDA
[2:06:00] social work team is probably probably
one of our closest collaborators outside
[2:06:04] of the chat team. Um we work with those
with those teams continually. Um we
[2:06:11] probably talk to them several times a
day honestly. Um and so sometimes it's
[2:06:17] it's a matter of who's going to hold the
individual at what point in their
[2:06:21] journey. Um, but part of that
collaboration meeting really is saying,
[2:06:26] "Okay,
you know, LDA, they're in Project Rio.
[2:06:30] We're keeping them with you and we'll
let you know if we run into them and if
[2:06:33] they're coming to us for additional
needs. They are now yours." Okay.
[2:06:37] » Okay. VA hop,
>> you have been working with this person
[2:06:40] and have had a very successful
relationship with them. They are yours.
[2:06:45] Let we will let you know if we run into
them, okay?
[2:06:48] » But you're holding them. And so there
there's so many people with so many
[2:06:52] needs in the community that um we just
functionally need to reduce overlap
[2:06:58] because we can't get to everyone and
help everyone. Um so I think we really
[2:07:03] have created a pretty functional um not
overlapping but collaborating system.
[2:07:10] One of the challenges always comes up is
communication and silos. That
[2:07:15] coordination meeting reduces a lot of
those. um in addition to our excellent
[2:07:20] relationships with all of the those
community providers.
[2:07:23] » Thank you.
[2:07:29] » Okay, we're about to transition away
from the social workers. So, any other
[2:07:33] questions we want to pause on? Of
course, we can come back, but just want
[2:07:36] to open that door.
>> Okay. Um I I guess not not really much
[2:07:43] of much much of a question but I um uh
there are obviously
[2:07:49] you know two different tools um and I
will I you know one of the things that I
[2:07:55] think it's it's uh it wasn't clear for
me for for a while um that um
[2:08:05] you when someone calls uh 911 uh for you
know how do you know which one to send
[2:08:12] and how do you how do you uh decide okay
we're going to send the chat team or
[2:08:17] we're going to send the other team uh I
think that will be important for the
[2:08:20] community to know um uh because there
are differences as you highlighted here
[2:08:26] um and and you also put it in the slide
that there's only a 6% overlap when you
[2:08:31] know you're sending both teams uh which
is you know quite fascinating so the
[2:08:37] majority is not getting both teams. Um,
so I would love a little more
[2:08:41] information on that.
>> Yeah, we received that question in
[2:08:44] advance and we're able to put a little
bit in here. I'm not sure if it'll go to
[2:08:47] quite enough detail, but I feel like
it'll help us know where to dig in
[2:08:51] further, but I learned a lot about how
those calls get pathed and it I think I
[2:08:56] have a better understanding and we'll
get into that after going through the
[2:09:00] other two teams. That sounds good. Just
for some clarity on the overlap. If we
[2:09:04] do come out into the same call
as professionals, we have the
[2:09:10] conversation about who stays for the
call or who leaves or if it's a large
[2:09:14] traumatic event. We're both there and um
we're bringing all of our resources to
[2:09:20] bear because we need that that many
resources, but we're very cognizant of
[2:09:25] the amount of work that and demand that
the city needs. And so um in that 6%
[2:09:32] very very few are the responses where we
need both teams um and the preponderance
[2:09:37] of the time is that we're clearing one
team or the other depending on what the
[2:09:42] issue is and who's best suited to manage
it.
[2:09:45] » Thank you.
>> Thank you.
[2:09:51] » All right. Next slide.
We're going to move to more of the
[2:09:55] safety and medical work. So outside of
social work here, um starting with PCRT,
[2:10:02] which is the police community response
team, uh these are nonsworn public
[2:10:07] safety officers, and it's a program that
was implemented in 2023.
[2:10:12] They divert low priority calls away from
sworn officers, freeing up sworn
[2:10:17] officers for more dangerous calls coming
to 911. So basically responding to
[2:10:21] anything that doesn't require a sworn
officer. Next slide.
[2:10:26] They have 16 FTEEs and they respond
citywide during the hours that u the
[2:10:32] police department determines that they
are needed most. You can see that
[2:10:36] there's different hours throughout the
week and that's where they've determined
[2:10:39] the need is and these are some of the
call types that they'll be sent out on.
[2:10:50] Next slide.
All right, on to the next the last one.
[2:10:55] So last hopefully acronym for the night
uh MRT, the medical response team and
[2:11:01] fire. Um this like the police social
workers is the other one that's been
[2:11:05] around since a decade for a decade. Um
these are paramedics who are using
[2:11:10] smaller vehicles to uh answer uh medical
calls faster and just easier. Uh so they
[2:11:19] are responding to everything aside from
the priority one calls
[2:11:24] » and I'll just share just some budget
context of the origin of the medical
[2:11:28] response team. It was actually um the
council really challenging the fire
[2:11:32] department because of how expensive fire
vehicles are and how um hard they are on
[2:11:38] not just our roads but the environment
um and how expensive they are to replace
[2:11:42] and expensive to service. Um the council
at the time challenged the fire
[2:11:46] department to come up with a way to
respond to medical calls because the
[2:11:50] vast majority of calls to the fire
department are medical. Um and so credit
[2:11:55] to the fire team for um coming up with
this program because I think it's shown
[2:11:59] to be really successful and has saved
the city a ton of money and emissions.
[2:12:05] [laughter] to to put context in 2016
when it began there was a big shelter on
[2:12:10] Rio Grand Street downtown and that was
the only shelter along with the uh
[2:12:14] Weaggan Center St. Vincent Depal across
the street and the forestry medical
[2:12:17] clinic. So everything was concentrated
in that really core downtown area. Um so
[2:12:21] it really if you can imagine a thousand
people who were using those services
[2:12:25] every day and trying to get all the
vehicles in um multiple times per day um
[2:12:30] you can see sort of the need. Now, the
spread out nature now is still useful
[2:12:33] that way, but you can kind of imagine
what it was like in 16 versus today,
[2:12:37] too.
[2:12:40] » All right, next slide.
MRT has 17 FTEEs. Um, and they are
[2:12:48] available approximately 7:30 a.m. to
8:30 p.m. Monday through Saturday. As I
[2:12:53] mentioned before, they will co-respond
with chat when chat is staffed.
[2:12:58] Uh, and as I mentioned before as well,
they respond to all calls that are lower
[2:13:03] than priority one. And they will
sometimes also respond to priority one
[2:13:07] calls. They're just not the primary
dispatch for those ones.
[2:13:12] Next slide.
All right. So, these teams are a little
[2:13:17] bit different. Easier to see the
difference between them there, but I'm
[2:13:20] still going to compare contrast here a
little bit. Um, they are both focused on
[2:13:24] call diversion from sworn officers and
firefighters.
[2:13:28] uh they are trying to enable faster
responses for all um call priority
[2:13:34] levels and the data shown in the report
that we transmitted indicates that we
[2:13:38] are seeing faster responses both um in
high priority calls and low priority
[2:13:43] calls when these teams are in service.
Um and also the efficiency piece
[2:13:48] mobilizing fewer or less costly
resources um to solve the same problems
[2:13:53] um was part of both of these teams.
What's unique to PCRT is they're doing
[2:13:58] more incident traffic management work,
but they can support both police and
[2:14:03] fire um in emergencies. And fire has
actually expressed that how much they
[2:14:08] appreciate the support of PCRT when
there's a major fire to keep uh traffic
[2:14:13] cleared out and make sure that they have
space um to do the work they need to do.
[2:14:17] What's unique to MRT is doing more
health treatment work and decreasing our
[2:14:23] environmental impact with those smaller
vehicles.
[2:14:26] Okay, now we're going to dive into 911.
Sorry, let's
[2:14:30] » trying to ask the questions as they're
coming up. Um, uh, I saw for the MRT
[2:14:36] and, um, for the chat team both
referenced, um, some pretty incredible
[2:14:45] statistics about 100% warm handoff and
this was in the administrative
[2:14:49] transmitt. Can you talk about what does
a warm handoff look like and what comes
[2:14:55] after that?
>> I could, but I think Assistant Chief
[2:14:58] Milton would do a better job.
[2:15:09] » Okay. Good afternoon. Uh, Assistant
Chief Chris Mill. I'm overseeing the
[2:15:14] medical division where our MRT and Chat
uh live and provide services for that.
[2:15:19] So, uh, the question was about warm
handoff. Um, as was mentioned with our
[2:15:25] chat program, we're [clears throat] not
as involved in long-term case
[2:15:29] management, but that warm handoff would
be ever would be to whatever appropriate
[2:15:34] service that person needs. That could be
elderly services, that could be
[2:15:38] substance abuse uh services, uh,
homeless services. So, um, whatever the
[2:15:44] social worker decides is the appropriate
need for that person, they would do
[2:15:48] everything that they could to make that
make sure that handoff happens.
[2:15:54] » Sorry for the follow-up. So, is it like
here's the phone number to call? Is it
[2:15:58] like I'm going to walk with you down to
get to this place? What is what does a
[2:16:03] warm handoff look like?
>> It is a combination of all of that,
[2:16:06] right? because um some people are will
more willing to take those services,
[2:16:11] others are not. So sometimes it's just a
matter of getting that person's cell
[2:16:16] number for followup, which our chat from
the PSB can do. Sometimes it is a
[2:16:21] handoff to uh other community uh
resources. Sometimes it's up to the ER
[2:16:28] and helping them get into the
appropriate service at the ER or mental
[2:16:33] health facilities. So really a
combination of all of those. Whatever
[2:16:37] that person is willing to accept and
take steps towards that service, that's
[2:16:44] what we're trying to facilitate.
>> I'll say in generally when we say a
[2:16:49] referral, it can mean anything. Um
sometimes it's electronic where I've met
[2:16:53] with you and you say you should go do
this and they put it into electronic
[2:16:57] system and then you're supposed to show
up at some point or email which doesn't
[2:17:00] work for a lot of these folks obviously.
Um, a referral could also be, well,
[2:17:04] here's the card, go call them and
they'll help take care of you, which is
[2:17:07] also a referral. Um, generally, and that
could be a part of it as well, but I
[2:17:12] think the effort oftentimes in their
teams is a warm one, which is face to
[2:17:15] face as much as possible, phone call to
phone call, whatever it is to sort of
[2:17:19] talk to the individual, talk through the
situation, physically get them there
[2:17:23] perhaps. I think that's all part of that
concept. Uh, as much as they're able to
[2:17:27] do that, is that fair?
>> Very, very much so. Additionally,
[2:17:31] sometimes it doesn't happen right there,
but with followup, you can further
[2:17:36] facilitate that warm handoff, maybe at
another time when they're more open to
[2:17:40] accepting that that help.
[2:17:49] Any more questions? I think that might
be it, right? Is that Yes. Go ahead.
[2:17:56] » Thank you. Um, so I appreciate this
overview and yes I so I guess I think a
[2:18:03] couple of things. So one is is that I
have been here for several years and I
[2:18:08] still sometimes struggle with the
acronym pieces and I think that that's
[2:18:13] also like noted not just as like a
council member but also as members of
[2:18:19] the public. And so I would wonder like
if there's opportunities to be able to
[2:18:24] maybe like whether it's a graphic or you
know looking at the naming conventions
[2:18:30] just to make it like that much more
clear on like what is the purpose what
[2:18:35] does this group do um and then that way
when you interact and engage with them
[2:18:40] you know who to thank you know because I
think that sometimes also that does get
[2:18:45] confusing where you're like well I I
receive services but I don't know from
[2:18:49] who you know and and we we do I have a
lot of residents who want to be able to
[2:18:54] provide their gratitude related to
having different different entities come
[2:18:58] out. So I think the messaging
slashcommunication side of this has an
[2:19:03] opportunity for a little more clarity.
Um because the other side of of that is
[2:19:10] that when I look at a lot of these
pieces, I also think to myself like how
[2:19:15] many folks know how many folks know, you
know, because it's not usually by by
[2:19:21] just the basis of the triage of the
incident. It's not something that's
[2:19:26] going to be on the front page of, you
know, the Salt Lake Trib um or at the
[2:19:30] top of your your screen or scroll bar.
And you know, yet it's such an important
[2:19:36] need in terms of being able to help our
citizens and our residents understand
[2:19:42] that we have more than just the fire
department explicitly as you, you know,
[2:19:48] think about it, learning about it in
elementary school and the police
[2:19:51] department, you know, when you learn
about those concepts. And I think kind
[2:19:55] of broadening that understanding and
education would be it for me at least is
[2:20:01] really important for my neighbors to
understand because there are a lot of
[2:20:07] things that are in the media right now
that can lead folks to questioning like
[2:20:12] where are my taxpayer dollars going and
what types of services are we providing
[2:20:16] to address different needs that I'm
seeing? And so I think that you know as
[2:20:22] we look at whether it's it's the naming
and the communications aspect and or
[2:20:27] just helping our residents kind of
understand how the suite of services
[2:20:32] complement each other I think only
benefits us as a city to be able to then
[2:20:37] you know support both an understanding
of what we have but also future
[2:20:42] conversations about resourcing you know
because I'll I'll use one of my examples
[2:20:48] that keeps coming up um which is you
know when I'm talking to people about
[2:20:53] the opportunity to expand to an
additional chat team um you know as soon
[2:20:59] as I say that to any of these wonderful
individuals they know exactly what I'm
[2:21:03] talking about but when I talk about it
at the dinner table or with neighbors or
[2:21:08] residents or while I'm out on a walk
like what's chat like I don't know what
[2:21:12] that is you know and for me I want that
to be something where folks know like
[2:21:17] they know what that resource is they
know what it means and what they're
[2:21:20] doing in our city and how it supports
the overall ecosystem of how we're
[2:21:26] treating people with humanity in their
moments of of highest need. So, um thank
[2:21:32] you. I think this was so valuable. And
to like the eight people online who are
[2:21:36] watching, yes, that's a start. Um, but I
would love to see that, you know, taken
[2:21:42] a step or two further so that we have a
broader vocabulary for folks to be aware
[2:21:49] of how comprehensive the city
approaches.
[2:21:56] » I'll just thank you for that perspective
and we can certainly do more. We we have
[2:22:01] had some really good coverage in the
news lately and we our community
[2:22:06] relations division can do more on that
but definitely noted about your
[2:22:10] perspective and how we can get that out
get that word out and promote that team.
[2:22:17] Um I this is why you know having this
deeper discussion about the work that uh
[2:22:25] and this is one um this uh is going to
be a series of presentations. So I I
[2:22:33] mean understanding the level of work
that the city is doing. Um also
[2:22:39] it just amazes me that is we're talking
about a portion of the things that the
[2:22:43] city does on this on this topic and
we're talking about almost 60 people uh
[2:22:47] right now. Almost 60 people are working
day in and day out on mitigating uh this
[2:22:52] crisis in our streets. Um and that
[snorts] is just a portion of the other
[2:22:57] tools that we haven't talked about it
yet. Um, so to me, um, when many of our
[2:23:03] neighbors talk about what are what is
Salt Lake City doing, we should be able
[2:23:07] to quickly say this is what we're doing
and our taxpayers are actually,
[2:23:14] you know, paying for this. The Salt Lake
City taxpayers are are trying to solve a
[2:23:19] statewide crisis. Um, and we are trying
to do it with our own dollars. Um, and I
[2:23:26] I'm so incredibly thankful for all the
people and and the city team that are uh
[2:23:31] working so hard on on trying to um
mitigate this crisis in our streets. Um,
[2:23:37] and I I'm thankful to know this this
information. I um I often um
[2:23:45] unfortunately and maybe it happens to
you uh u that someone will call me and
[2:23:51] says I don't know where to go. Uh I have
a family member that is struggling with
[2:23:56] something. Um and I sometimes don't know
where to go myself, right? Like I don't
[2:24:01] know where to call them. I don't even
know who to ask. So I I hope that the
[2:24:06] information uh could be more easily
accessible for the community uh to know
[2:24:12] um to know and uh I I do appreciate this
this the time that you guys put together
[2:24:18] to to to put this uh this together. One
of
[2:24:23] No, one of the questions that always
comes out during the budget is about
[2:24:26] data and metrics. Um, and I would like
to know um, with all of these teams,
[2:24:35] including the the ones that we're not
talking about today that they are
[2:24:40] somehow under the purview of of the
city. Um, are we sharing information?
[2:24:46] Are we using one system or multiple
systems to track cases or interactions
[2:24:53] or h how is it that data being managed
from the city side and does the state
[2:25:00] know that we're doing this? I guess is
my question sometimes?
[2:25:07] » I think my understanding is they're not
tracking on systems together. Um do you
[2:25:12] have more?
>> Yeah. So, um, this is a big discussion,
[2:25:16] probably more than we have a few minutes
here for, but I think it'd be a good
[2:25:20] discussion to have with everybody. The
fire department has a tracking system
[2:25:23] and data. Police department has a
tracking system and data. Um, and 911
[2:25:27] works with both of those, I believe. Um,
the social workers, depending on the
[2:25:30] situation, will track stuff in their
respective database. Um, but not
[2:25:35] necessarily with the statewide database.
So the statewide database for say
[2:25:39] homeless management information systems
doesn't necessarily include this
[2:25:42] information when they go to the hospital
for a lot of these teams that may be the
[2:25:46] destination for a lot of folks. The
hospital has its own tracking system and
[2:25:50] if they bill Medicaid it's a tracking
system there and the hospital
[2:25:52] proprietary track. You see how this kind
of works now. So yes it is a great
[2:25:57] point. We would love a system that would
have everything integrated. I think a
[2:26:01] lot of what we do in the city is
actively manage our own internal systems
[2:26:04] to provide this um to external partners
as we need but it's not necessarily a
[2:26:08] forward- facing system and there's
nothing that I'm aware of that takes
[2:26:12] everything to account for the whole
system. Now the lifeman work at the
[2:26:15] county is talking about that issue
itself um and really taking that on to
[2:26:20] some extent. It's a really big ask but
that'd be a great place to start um
[2:26:24] focusing some energy to make sure that
we're all integrated outside of the city
[2:26:27] as well.
[2:26:31] I think I heard you know from the team
on some of the requests from the Lifman
[2:26:35] group you know that that is one of the
goals is trying to make sure that the
[2:26:38] databases and the data from I'm not
talking necessarily they were not
[2:26:43] necessarily talking about the city they
were talking about the all of the other
[2:26:46] tools talking to each other which uh I
think will help um understand the the
[2:26:50] problem and identify the solutions
better. Council member Petro,
[2:26:54] » I know when they go to the hospital,
there are HIPPA protections that make
[2:26:57] sharing data more difficult and I'm a
heavy advocate for people who are in
[2:27:03] crisis or need our help should not have
their dignity compromised. So, I
[2:27:06] wouldn't want anything that like puts
pictures of people out there or
[2:27:11] anything. But are there other barriers
to is it is it a systemic issue just
[2:27:16] with because of the siloed nature in
which these things kind of popped up
[2:27:20] that we don't have a way to share data
or are there other barriers to us being
[2:27:24] able to share data first within the city
and then with other with other agencies
[2:27:28] outside of us?
>> Well to make some really big
[2:27:33] generalizations and statements here that
uh I may regret later.
[2:27:39] Generally speaking, data will follow
funding and um getting paid for a
[2:27:44] service, right? And so if you want to
get a lot of robust data, you got to
[2:27:49] find out who's billing for what service
and where and how they're doing it. With
[2:27:52] a lot of the folks we're talking about
who interact with these diversified
[2:27:56] response um groups, um they're probably
Medicaid eligible or have Medicaid. When
[2:28:00] they get to a provider like a hospital,
the provider is doing a service and
[2:28:04] billing Medicare for that service. So
there's some accountability there. Each
[2:28:08] hospital system is different. University
of Utah for Medicaid as a Medicaid
[2:28:12] provider, Inter Mountain um health for
their system. Uh if you end up at a
[2:28:17] small provider, it could be the county
system or through the state as well. So
[2:28:21] you can get a sense there's proprietary
about what software they're using and
[2:28:24] how they're billing it, who they're
billing for. Um and then to your point,
[2:28:29] everyone wants to make sure that they
are safe from legal issues.
[2:28:34] Um all of these protections were meant
to protect somebody but not necessarily
[2:28:38] restrict access to care. So even health
care providers can for continuity of
[2:28:43] care share information between
themselves and they do a lot but it does
[2:28:48] mean some paperwork and it does mean
some transfer of information. So the
[2:28:51] system is not as seamless as probably
most people would like. Um that's why
[2:28:55] it's a very big lift for many years to
try to take on all those systems
[2:28:58] together and figure out are you going to
share a common system economy language?
[2:29:02] are you going to agree to the legal
parameters of this so we don't um
[2:29:06] sacrifice personal dignity and safety um
for continuity of care across different
[2:29:11] systems? And then when we talk about um
trying to get our our first responders
[2:29:15] integrated into that, that's a whole
another level, right? Because they're
[2:29:18] not necessarily healthare workers in
that sense. And so some healthcare
[2:29:22] agencies may be a little dubious about
allowing police social workers in their
[2:29:25] systems and fire, etc., even though they
may see there's some benefit
[2:29:29] potentially. So there's a lot of that
you have to work through over time.
[2:29:35] » Yeah. Um just additional support in
context. So like the entire state of
[2:29:41] Utah does not have a single student
information system across all of K12.
[2:29:46] Like we've yet to be able to achieve
that and that is a single government
[2:29:51] entity that oversees that. Um so I
appreciate that the lift is large. I
[2:29:57] guess my my takeaway and my support for
continuing the conversation is that
[2:30:02] there were so many times where we were
this close to doing it. Um, and it was
[2:30:08] one of those, nope, the scope's too
large. Oh, it's going to cost too much
[2:30:12] money, man. It's just too many partners,
you know, connecting on different
[2:30:16] things. And the further away from those
moments we got, the bigger the problems
[2:30:22] got. So, we have to start somewhere. And
even if it's like, you know, chipping
[2:30:27] away at, you know, the major iceberg
that's floating, to me, those are
[2:30:32] valuable efforts in terms of ultimately
creating a pathway towards solution that
[2:30:38] better serves the individuals. One of
the most like interesting quotes that I
[2:30:43] can never take out of my head from like
the K12 space is that students switching
[2:30:47] schools is the equivalent of secondhand
smoke um to individuals in terms of
[2:30:52] their ability to receive the services
they need and for the individuals who
[2:30:57] serve them to have the information they
need to be able to make those services
[2:31:00] happen. And so anything that helps clear
out the smoke, I'm here for. And just
[2:31:05] appreciate the city leaning into those
where it's possible.
[2:31:09] » When I just talked about the 30,000 foot
level of the systems and the
[2:31:14] complexities of those systems on an
aggregate, thousands and hundreds of
[2:31:18] thousands of people. Um, one of the
things about Project Connect, which we
[2:31:22] did intentionally, was with no money, we
took two full-time positions from the
[2:31:27] police department and they volunteered
to move over to this job um, separate
[2:31:30] from their social work jobs. And we
said, "Figure it out. These are 50
[2:31:34] people we know somewhat a little bit
about and we need somebody to go in and
[2:31:38] on an individual basis for these 50
people, figure things out." And that
[2:31:42] meant that those social workers went
into those systems and said,"I need to
[2:31:45] advocate here and here and here and
share information between these entities
[2:31:49] and they're already getting case managed
here. So I need to make sure that they
[2:31:52] are touching base with that on a micro
level is what the connect team is
[2:31:57] doing." If you can take the lessons
learned from that, number one, they're
[2:32:01] helping those individuals navigate those
systems more effectively and get better
[2:32:04] care. two, if you can take the learning
from those um their interactions and
[2:32:08] they can point out some gaps and things
that could be done better, that's
[2:32:12] informing the county discussion and the
state discussion. So, we use connect for
[2:32:15] that reason as well. Um sometimes it's
easier to go on an individual basis to
[2:32:19] point out the system than the the whole
system at once.
[2:32:24] » Um
>> Mr. Chair,
[2:32:26] » yes.
>> Um I believe Megan has another section
[2:32:28] of her presentation just so you know. I
was gonna just yeah take you know when
[2:32:32] we are quiet you know just move ahead on
the slides.
[2:32:36] » No this has been great I feel like lots
of great questions um all super
[2:32:39] relevant. Next slide.
All right so digging into that dispatch
[2:32:46] call routing question. Um let's see.
Dispatchers use a CAD system computer
[2:32:52] aided dispatch uh to route all of their
calls. And the CAD is programmed to send
[2:32:57] calls either down the fire to fire or to
PD and then they funnel down to the
[2:33:03] different teams um from there based on
established protocols that are created
[2:33:08] in collaboration between the departments
and 911.
[2:33:13] Okay, next slide and we can come back
around. I hope that the slides help
[2:33:17] bring clarity as we go through. Um let's
see. All right. So, talking specifically
[2:33:23] about fire working with dispatch, um
we've talked I've already um talked
[2:33:28] about this a little bit, but MRT is the
primary dispatch for all medical calls
[2:33:32] except priority 1. And chat is typically
responding with MRT, but is
[2:33:37] automatically dispatched for um this
list of call types.
[2:33:46] And something interesting we've talked
about while developing this report was
[2:33:50] um the support that chat provides for um
families or witnesses of a cardiac
[2:33:56] arrest which is um apparently quite
traumatizing to witness and experience
[2:34:01] especially with a loved one. And so I
just wanted to point that out because
[2:34:05] it's a space that um they have kind of
unique access to support people. Next
[2:34:10] slide.
[2:34:13] All right. for police call routing. Um,
PCRT is automatically dispatched on
[2:34:18] calls that do not require a sworn
officer. I know that is way too small to
[2:34:22] be able to read it. I had listed some of
them earlier. I just wanted to show how
[2:34:26] many types of calls they could cover and
I'm happy to send a easier to read
[2:34:31] version of that if you'd like. Oh, there
we go. That's awesome.
[2:34:36] Thank you.
[2:34:45] All right. And then um the community
connection team, the police social
[2:34:49] workers, they are not automatically
dispatched right now. And I learned
[2:34:54] while putting this together that the
police call needs are a bit more unclear
[2:34:59] often than the fire calls. So when
something goes down fire for medical
[2:35:04] reasons, it's they they've indicated
very clear that that's the need. When
[2:35:09] police is sent out, it could be um
trespassing, uh suspicious activity, or
[2:35:15] someone hasn't answered their door and
someone's worried about their
[2:35:18] well-being.
And then also what a dispatcher hears
[2:35:22] can be quite different from what an
officer experiences on a scene. And so
[2:35:27] police relies on that officer
identifying a need for a social worker
[2:35:32] before dispatching the police social
workers. So that's a little bit of the
[2:35:36] why there. And I thought that was
helpful to better understand
[2:35:40] Carson.
>> Yeah, I think um that was that's a
[2:35:44] helpful distinction um for me. And I I
guess I'm wondering like what would
[2:35:48] trigger an officer to request a CCT
response and what does training look
[2:35:55] like across all officers to let them
know that this is a resource that
[2:35:59] exists?
[2:36:09] So training across all officers. Um our
social workers spend a bunch of time at
[2:36:15] the academy. We run the 40hour crisis
intervention training uh
[2:36:23] process with all of our officers who
come through our academy and also our
[2:36:29] lateral transfer officers. Um there are
definitely officers who use the resource
[2:36:34] more than others. Um but any type of
social service need can elicit a social
[2:36:42] work response. Um any type of trauma
where there's emotional distress. Um we
[2:36:49] get called out on those frequently. Um
oftent times when there's an issue where
[2:36:55] DCFS may become involved um that is also
a space that we're in frequently helping
[2:37:02] manage that and giving a civilian social
work response especially when
[2:37:06] interacting with children. Sometimes
cops are really cool sometimes it can
[2:37:11] feel kind of scary. Um so we we are our
our officers are really great at kind of
[2:37:17] reading the scene. establishing safety
as our primary concern for the
[2:37:20] individuals involved in the crisis and
um for our personnel um and then and
[2:37:26] then pairing that response. The other
unique piece that I don't think we
[2:37:30] really captured in this presentation is
our social workers know the people who
[2:37:35] call, right? We know all of the frequent
911 callers. And so our social workers,
[2:37:40] if they're not out in the field, will
actually watch the call log and just
[2:37:45] proactively pull calls off the call log
and say, "Okay, I know this caller.
[2:37:52] Don't send patrol. I'm getting on the
phone with them to see if I can manage
[2:37:56] them because they're schizophrenic and
always suicidal, right?" But we're
[2:38:01] really good at safety planning and
talking them down and they're, you know,
[2:38:04] we can establish safety without even an
in-person response often times. And so
[2:38:09] that's a huge cost savings to the
system. Um where we can manage a lot of
[2:38:14] crisis just telephonically. Um come up
with a plan to go out and and visit with
[2:38:19] the with the community member when
things are a little more stable or when
[2:38:25] they need additional intervention. And
we can always circle back and pull in
[2:38:29] patrol or a medical response if needed.
I mean this, you know, makes me wonder
[2:38:36] about the regular training uh for for
officers because that's a, you know,
[2:38:42] conversation we had related older items.
Um, I wonder if this uh if the
[2:38:47] department can highlight how often they
they do this and if it's mandatory or or
[2:38:53] or not uh to because I to me um the more
um the the more used to uh our you know
[2:39:04] that our officers know that these
resources are there you know the better
[2:39:08] will be for everybody. Um,
>> so the CIT training is mandatory for
[2:39:13] everyone who comes through the academy
and that's a full training on behavioral
[2:39:19] health, developmental disabilities,
different presentations. This person
[2:39:23] might be having a medical event as
opposed to being on a substance. Uh,
[2:39:28] here are ways to vet these things out
and establish safety. a lot of grounding
[2:39:34] tools and basic, you know, cognitive
behavioral tools that we can use to
[2:39:41] deescalate situations. Um, and that
process all happens in tandem with our
[2:39:46] social workers. So, they're also
developing those relationships. Ongoing
[2:39:51] training happens
several times a year for the officers
[2:39:55] who are assigned to our CIT division
that co-respond that is one of the
[2:40:01] co-response opportunities for our social
workers. And so we have three dedicated
[2:40:05] detectives there and a sergeant over
that unit. They help manage more of our
[2:40:09] frequent callers um who tend to be a
little bit more dangerous where we're
[2:40:13] not just going to send a civilian
response out. have um some safety
[2:40:17] concerns and then we're working on
integrating into trimester training
[2:40:24] annually or every other year ongoing CIT
reboots. Um the standard I believe that
[2:40:32] the state is
I think it's four hours every 3 years
[2:40:37] which is not a high bar. everything that
we do involves deescalation and um and
[2:40:44] safety management of a scene. And so
officers are already getting that. We're
[2:40:50] not we're not maybe tracking what
qualifies as those trainings
[2:40:56] all of the time, but we are we can look
at training rosters and say, "Okay,
[2:41:00] you've got deescalation, you've got
mental health stabilization training,
[2:41:04] those types of things."
I think that's that's something
[2:41:08] interesting to me to make sure that
there is more more of that you know
[2:41:11] regular training beyond post academy
right um and uh that you know we we
[2:41:17] highlight because certainly even from
our side we may be putting more
[2:41:22] resources into different tools right and
and you know that changes right because
[2:41:26] there might be more opportunities to
connect people um with the right with
[2:41:31] the right um response I guess um So I I
would love to uh identify some more of
[2:41:38] that information. I think the community
also expects to know that you know I
[2:41:42] think that it builds trust even more
with with our good uh frontline officers
[2:41:48] uh to know that they are uh that that's
part of their training or regular
[2:41:51] training. So thank you.
>> Thank you.
[2:41:55] » Keep going. [sighs]
>> I think there's just two more slides.
[2:41:58] We're almost done.
>> Okay, we can do it.
[2:42:00] » Next slide.
>> All right. So, this is talking about
[2:42:04] when protocol needs to change. Um, 911
hosts a monthly users meeting with both
[2:42:10] police and fire um to discuss any issues
which could help push for change if it's
[2:42:14] needed. Um, but I learned that the fire
department is probably changing protocol
[2:42:18] a bit more frequently. Um, dispatch has
shared that they have a wider range of
[2:42:23] resources to dispatch and therefore the
range of needs can be quite different
[2:42:29] based on call type and they adapt over
time to what they learn and might change
[2:42:33] protocol to better serve the call types
as they see fit. They'll they have a
[2:42:39] committee that brings updates to fire
leadership that they want to make to
[2:42:42] protocol and if it's approved by um fire
leadership then they work with dispatch
[2:42:48] to address that protocol. The police
department has a a person who is a
[2:42:52] liaison and works directly with dispatch
whenever issues are identified by the
[2:42:57] department. [snorts]
And then next slide just I believe just
[2:43:03] talks about next steps. Allison
mentioned these as well, I think, but we
[2:43:07] can talk about um the other four
programs. We could talk about the
[2:43:11] guiding principles that we used to
develop the metrics that we selected for
[2:43:16] measuring success in the report we
transmitted. And we could dig into the
[2:43:20] data that's in the appendex of the
report that is based on those 26
[2:43:24] metrics.
That is all we have.
[2:43:32] » Thank you for the information. I'm
looking forward to, you know, dig into
[2:43:36] some of the um the data you sent us um
and uh and and to highlight to the
[2:43:43] community the work that that we do um as
a city. It's also impressive the that
[2:43:48] you're tracking, you know, the calls and
how many interactions. I mean, that's
[2:43:53] that's useful for the community. I feel
like that's something that should be
[2:43:58] regular reported. Uh should be, you
know, very widely known. Um, council
[2:44:03] member Young,
>> I just had one, I guess, additional
[2:44:07] question. In the case that, let's say
the routing
[2:44:15] happens,
but then maybe extra people like get
[2:44:19] notified that there's that there's a
challenge or a concern. Do we have like
[2:44:24] a policy or a protocol or a
recommendation on how like if we all
[2:44:30] show up and we're like, "Oh, okay. Well,
like this team's got it." Like that
[2:44:36] we're allowing other resources to then
be redeployed elsewhere. Does that make
[2:44:41] sense kind of what I'm saying?
>> Yes. I'm not quite sure how to answer it
[2:44:46] though. I think Christina hit on it a
little bit in talking about if both
[2:44:49] social work teams are called out and
they would discuss what is best as the
[2:44:54] response. But
>> yeah, and I guess like so the way I
[2:44:57] could see this happening, here's my
scenario, Lisa. Um but would be so let's
[2:45:03] say there's an incident and we have
multiple people calling in and the
[2:45:08] multiple people calling in are reporting
different aspects of the incident and
[2:45:13] then all of the sudden all of our city
teams get there and they're like wait a
[2:45:17] minute you're here you know and so like
just how how that transpires in terms of
[2:45:23] just being thoughtful about not
overwhelming a situation and tying up
[2:45:29] city resources when they may be other
needs.
[2:45:32] » This is so interesting. I'm sorry to
jump in before you, but when I was over
[2:45:35] at dispatch watching, I just kind of sat
and watched them do their job. Yeah,
[2:45:39] » this happened where um there was a whole
group of people calling and it was
[2:45:43] actually very scary sounding and it
sounded like everyone was quite scared
[2:45:47] and I think three different dispatchers
were on a call with a different person
[2:45:51] involved in an incident and you can
probably explain better what happens
[2:45:55] when this
>> so our
[2:45:58] um sorry I am quiet so I am Elizabeth
Elgen assistant director with Salt Lake
[2:46:03] City 911 our CAD system identifies
duplicate calls So if three different
[2:46:10] people are taking a call at the same
address, they're going to get a
[2:46:13] notification that there is already a
call made at that address. So we don't
[2:46:17] make multiple calls for the same thing.
Typically, if we end up with chat and
[2:46:24] police social workers on scene at the
same time, it's because the police
[2:46:28] department asks for social workers and
then the fire department sent a medical
[2:46:34] response team and chat automatically is
with them. It's not because both
[2:46:38] departments were requested.
>> Got it.
[2:46:41] » They're just always with the MRT if
they're on duty.
[2:46:45] » Okay.
>> And then like Christina said, they will
[2:46:48] um
decide amongst themselves who's going to
[2:46:52] take responsibility for that call. So,
>> perfect.
[2:46:56] » I think that's how that usually
>> that's helpful. Yes. Thank you. Sorry,
[2:46:59] it was just a question I had like
related to how we're also not
[2:47:06] overwhelming a scene related to
resources. Just noting there's so many
[2:47:09] needs across the city. So,
>> thank you.
[2:47:14] » And just wanted to quickly um express my
gratitude and thanks um to you for
[2:47:19] putting this together, but um because I
know this took a long time. Um but also
[2:47:25] to everybody that's worked on all of
these different response models. Um, I
[2:47:30] remember reading about the um, community
connection team starting in 2016,
[2:47:38] running in 2017,
learning more about uh, at when the
[2:47:43] shelters were coming online and all of
those challenges to all of the things
[2:47:47] that we did in 2020 and and since then.
So, um it's it's feels very full circle
[2:47:54] for me and I know that we still have a
lot of work to do, but I really do
[2:47:59] believe that the success of um the
public safety plan um and then the the
[2:48:06] numbers that we're seeing of things um
coming down and and improving are a
[2:48:12] result of this
thing that we've built, this system. and
[2:48:17] um it really gives me a lot of
confidence moving forward. So I want to
[2:48:21] thank everyone for their hard work and
um definitely don't want to rest on our
[2:48:27] laurels but um this is I think a really
cool thing. I'm proud to be a part of
[2:48:33] it.
[2:48:36] » Thank you. Um I is I know that they put
a lot of work Oh yes, Rachel. Uh they
[2:48:41] put a lot of work into putting this
together. So thank you Rachel. Thank you
[2:48:45] so much. And I don't want to take up too
much time, but I did just want to say um
[2:48:49] thank you so much to the council. I
think you know we've obviously spent a
[2:48:53] lot of time with you on this. And though
the programs that we're going to talk
[2:48:57] about both both today and that we'll
talk about in our next briefing seem
[2:49:01] somewhat disperate, I think, you know,
at least since 2020, um the council's
[2:49:05] been a great partner with the mayor's
office and just making sure that as we
[2:49:10] are, you know, kind of developing these
creative and nimble responses to the
[2:49:14] what we're seeing on the street that
they it has been grounded in the same
[2:49:18] values and the guiding principles that
we've kind of brought to you each time.
[2:49:23] So, you know, making sure that people
are um treated with dignity and they're
[2:49:27] getting the services they need. Um
trying to make sure that our public
[2:49:30] spaces are clean and safe and welcoming.
And then, of course, you know,
[2:49:35] committing to ongoing efficiency and
transparency and accountability for each
[2:49:39] of these programs. So, thank you for for
being willing to go on this journey with
[2:49:43] us. Um, and then, you know, not to be
duplicative and thank you, um, Council
[2:49:47] Member Wharton for your for your
gratitude to this team, but I just think
[2:49:50] these teams are doing really, really
special and impactful work. And, um,
[2:49:55] thanks for recognizing that. It's it's
hard to put together in a way that looks
[2:50:00] cohesive across the board. But I also
want to say thank you to Megan for
[2:50:03] spending a ton of time on this to to try
to bring it together and really
[2:50:07] highlight the work of, I think, these
really important teams. So, thanks for
[2:50:10] giving us this time. No, and I thank you
for putting together that. I hope that
[2:50:15] that document uh is shared wide because
it is an incredible amount of work um
[2:50:21] that the city is doing. Our taxpayers
are supporting this work. Um and what
[2:50:26] sometimes, you know, we hear about the
frustrations
[2:50:30] um I know that we're doing a lot to
mitigate, you know, uh to to mitigate
[2:50:35] this crisis. Um so it's very impressive
to see how all of this works together.
[2:50:40] Um I um in some of the conversations
that the county and and Andrew can help
[2:50:46] me with this, but they they were talking
about 911 scripting
[2:50:52] u and the Lichman group is asking for
the city to um join in into a new
[2:51:00] script. Um, and I would love to know if
you if we know about this or if we need
[2:51:08] to connect more people about what what
the county is asking from all the other
[2:51:14] dispatch agencies to do.
>> So what do you mean by scripting?
[2:51:19] » There is maybe this is what Andrew can
help. This is what
[2:51:24] » so
one of the
[2:51:27] » do this one of the lifeman group
recommendations was um to include mental
[2:51:33] health screening or a screening question
about mental health crisis in 911
[2:51:37] dispatch work. And so that's what the
county is talking about and integrating
[2:51:40] that into the upfront um uh talking when
you're talking to a crisis situation
[2:51:46] about how do you identify that as the
core issue?
[2:51:49] » Okay. Yeah, we do.
If we believe there is a mental health
[2:51:53] crisis occurring, we do have protocols
for
[2:51:58] trying to get information about what
level of crisis are they in. Are they
[2:52:02] danger a danger to themselves or others?
Is it an active danger? And if it's not,
[2:52:07] we can connect them with MCOT. We can
let MCOT triage further while we stay on
[2:52:12] the phone.
>> Yeah.
[2:52:14] » They will say if they need us to send a
response or if they think they can
[2:52:17] handle it. So we don't have any scripted
questions for that but we do have
[2:52:23] procedures for how to handle those.
>> Yeah. I and I'm trying to figure out you
[2:52:28] know how you know the why the reasoning
of asking uh you know other agencies
[2:52:33] that are doing this um to join into this
script uh and to have that as part of
[2:52:40] their dispatch. So, I I might have to
collect more information from that side
[2:52:44] and then connect with 911 to see, you
know, why why we should and why what you
[2:52:50] guys think about this. Um, but it it's
some of the recommendations and they're
[2:52:55] coming back to the city and I'm trying
to figure out where I need to send them.
[2:53:00] » Mr. Chair, if I might. So all the the
working groups um that the lifeman group
[2:53:05] that the county is standing up to
implement the lifeman group
[2:53:07] recommendations we are ensuring that
city staff is you know appropriate city
[2:53:11] staff is in each of those and so maybe
part of this goes to the difference of
[2:53:15] between I think Beck and how we dispatch
and so there is you know our systems
[2:53:20] aren't identical but I feel really
confident that our system is um attuned
[2:53:26] with what we you know where we need to
be going with these mental health calls.
[2:53:30] So, um, if there's anything else you
want to add about the differences
[2:53:33] between VEC and how we dispatch, go for
it.
[2:53:35] » We work pretty closely with Beck. So, if
they and also our medical director for
[2:53:41] Salt Lake City 911 and Beck is the same
person. So, if there is a determined
[2:53:46] there's a recommendation that we use
certain language when we're handling
[2:53:50] calls for mental health services, we
will also incorporate that into ours
[2:53:54] because we're all operating under the
same medical director. So if that
[2:53:58] recommendation comes down, we would both
do it. We use the same protocol system,
[2:54:05] Beck and us, for handling medical calls.
We have our own sets, if that makes any
[2:54:12] sense, because we Salt Lake City has a
more tiered response to medical calls
[2:54:16] than Vet currently does.
So they're but it's the same system. We
[2:54:20] all use Appco for our emergency medical
dispatch. So if there's a recommended
[2:54:25] change by Dr. on we will make the change
the same as vectors.
[2:54:30] » That's helpful. Thank you. Sorry for
like just popped in my head. We were
[2:54:34] like 911 and I was like I heard about
this.
[2:54:36] » One more question. Sorry Mr. Chair. Have
we taken this presentation like on the
[2:54:41] road um to [laughter]
to show
[2:54:46] » Okay. I would love it. I I mean if we
can share this with like the state
[2:54:51] office of homeless services or or other
individuals that to kind of show um the
[2:54:58] work that we're doing and and I would
think even policing groups would be
[2:55:02] interested in um
our non uh sworn officer responses. I
[2:55:08] know that those calls can be
those like lower priority calls are
[2:55:15] still important but is you know it frees
up officer time. So I would love it if
[2:55:20] we can like proactively share some of
this information.
[2:55:24] » Thank you.
>> I think the community councils we should
[2:55:27] should also be exposed to this.
>> That's good. Yeah, that'd be great too.
[2:55:30] » Um so um this is this amazing. I I mean
that was that was a lot of work to put
[2:55:37] together. So, might as well show it off
uh because it's quite impressive. So,
[2:55:41] thank you. Um I think that concludes the
presentation. Uh thank you so much for
[2:55:45] this. Thank you. Thank you.
[2:55:51] » Um I don't see Ben Raskin, are you here?
No.
[2:55:58] Um are we we are ahead of time. Have we
contacted? No. Huh?
[2:56:17] taking a break.
>> So, let's let's
[2:56:20] » or we can do the other items.
>> There's nothing.
[2:56:24] So, this is the last item. I um So,
let's let's do this. Let's take a a a
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>> Yes.
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[3:10:20] » Welcome back.
We are going to hear item number nine
[3:10:25] now, which is a board appointment for
the planning commission. And we're going
[3:10:28] to welcome Ben Raskin to the table right
here. And [snorts] you can uh you can
[3:10:34] tell us uh why do you want to join the
planning commission? um push the button
[3:10:39] so the microphone is on has a green
light on and then yeah tell us briefly
[3:10:44] why you want to join the planning
commission.
[3:10:46] » Absolutely. Uh make sure this is on.
>> Yes.
[3:10:50] » Perfect. Perfect. Thank you very much.
Well, thank you very much for having me
[3:10:55] here today. Uh three years ago I had the
privilege of coming before this board
[3:10:59] and speaking with you in regards to
being a member of a civilian review
[3:11:02] board. I spent three years working on
that committee and it was absolutely
[3:11:06] instrumental in uh revitalizing my love
of both our community, the work our sub
[3:11:11] public servants do, law enforcement and
opportunities that we can make
[3:11:15] improvements both public safety and the
general perception of use of force in
[3:11:19] the state or rather in the city. Uh my
service with the uh civilian review
[3:11:23] board ends at the end of this month. and
speaking with council member uh Young,
[3:11:28] she said there was an opportunity for
the city planning committee which would
[3:11:31] be a chance to kind of like pair a
relationship that pair this uh love that
[3:11:36] I have of both our city, the buildings,
the people who live here and basically
[3:11:41] how we have this inner re in uh this
relationship between how we're building
[3:11:45] it for the future but as well as
preserving for the past. Um before I go
[3:11:49] any further, I just want to make one
really quick note. As I am leaving the
[3:11:52] civilian review board, I wanted to make
bring to you guys' attention uh two very
[3:11:56] special individuals. Uh chief
investigator, uh Tanya Richardson and
[3:12:00] facilitator Christy Marcy. They're the
ones that have been running the CRB and
[3:12:03] the work they do is makes them public
servants extraordinary. And if you
[3:12:07] haven't had a chance to meet them, I
would definitely send I would make an
[3:12:10] opportunity to go talk to them and see
the work that they are actually doing
[3:12:13] there. So anyway, I believe that the
planning commission faces issues that
[3:12:17] are requiring balancing competing
interests, studying the facts, and
[3:12:20] making decisions that we can both serve
the both the future and our p and our
[3:12:24] future, I'm sorry, our current residents
and our future residents. And uh I hope
[3:12:28] the skills that I've developed on the
CRB will prepare me well for this
[3:12:30] responsibility and I'd be honored to
continue serving the people of Salt Lake
[3:12:34] City in this new capacity. So, thank you
very much for this opportunity and I
[3:12:38] appreciate this time with you,
>> Council Member Young. Oh my gosh, I
[3:12:42] could talk about Ben forever. Um, so I
think one of the things that I
[3:12:47] appreciate about Ben most and I'll share
with the other council members is that
[3:12:52] your interests in the city are so
diverse. Um, and I think you've touched
[3:12:57] on many of those experiences and
commitments um, already and how you've
[3:13:02] shown up to represent and kind of serve
the voice of your community. Um, but
[3:13:07] whether you were reaching out to me
about a park that was in your area or
[3:13:12] chatting with me about some of the road
construction and the impacts on
[3:13:16] businesses, um, you know, talking about
our needs in the public safety sector
[3:13:21] and how we are comprehensively
addressing that, not just for Sugar
[3:13:24] House but for the entire city. Um it has
always struck me as something that is um
[3:13:30] different than a lot of the other
interactions I have. And it is that
[3:13:35] comprehensive and holistic view that I
think will really benefit you in
[3:13:40] representing our community on the
planning um commission is because yes,
[3:13:45] you are making decisions that are
specific to land use and zoning, but
[3:13:50] that it's not just about a building.
It's also about what that means to the
[3:13:55] greater community and considering that
larger context um as part of the the
[3:14:00] process moving forward. So I could not
be more excited to have you um
[3:14:05] representing for our community and am
just very very grateful for the
[3:14:10] professionalism and the dedication you
have already shown the city and that I
[3:14:14] know you will continue to do in this
role.
[3:14:16] » Thank you very much.
Thank thank you uh for your willingness
[3:14:21] to uh to share your your time and
talents uh with the city. I um I it it
[3:14:27] really uh not only from running for
office but also turning that energy into
[3:14:32] service to the city. So thank thank you
for for your for for doing that. Um uh
[3:14:38] you are going to be placed on the
consent agenda for tonight's meeting.
[3:14:42] You don't have to be there to uh it's
quite boring. Uh, we approve the consent
[3:14:47] agenda.
>> I'm glad I lost the race then.
[3:14:49] [laughter]
>> Uh, so I um but I So you you will be
[3:14:54] placed on the consent agenda and the
administration will reach out to you
[3:14:57] with next steps.
>> Thank you very much. Appreciate that.
[3:14:59] » Thank you.
>> Awesome. Thank you.
[3:15:04] » So there's uh no report from me. Is
there a report from you? No. No report
[3:15:09] from the vice chair. Uh is there a
report announcements from the executive
[3:15:14] director? No reporting announcement from
the executive director and there's not
[3:15:18] 10 there's no closed meeting. So this
adjourns the meeting until 7 pm tonight.
[3:15:23] Thank you.
>> Food is on the