>> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I HOPE YOU HAD A FANTASTIC MLK DAY YESTERDAY. WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED WITH THE MEETING. IT IS NOW 10:07. MADAM CLERK, CAN YOU PLEASE READ THE ROLL? >> CLERK: >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU SO MUCH. DO WE HAVE ANY MEMBERS OF [Approval of Minutes ] THE SUBJECT SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. >> CLERK: WE DO NOT. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: CAN I ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR APPROVAL FOR THE MEETINGS ON DECEMBER 2ND, 2025. >> SO MOVED. >> MAYOR JONES: AYE. [Briefing and Possible Action on ] NUMBER ONE IS GOING TO BE A BRIEFING OF SOME OF OUR CITY-OWNED FACILITY. I'LL TURN THE FLOOR OVER FOR PRESENTATION. >> SHANNON: GOOD MORNING, COMMITTEE MEMBERS. I'M MIKE SHANNON. I'M WITH THE CAPITAL DELIVERY DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR. I HAVE TWO PRESENTATIONS FOR YOU TODAY, THE FIRST ONE AS MENTIONED CITY FACILITIES OVERVIEW AND A QUICK DISCUSSION OF HOW WE PRIORITIZE OUR PROJECTS. SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT OUR CITY FACILITIES REAL QUICK WHAT WE DO TO MANAGE FACILITIES AND THE MAINTENANCE OF THEM, HOW WE COME UP WITH PRIORITIZATION AND CERTAINLY SOME FUNDING SOURCES AS WE'RE CONSTANTLY, YOU KNOW, MAINTAINING AND SOMETIMES REPLACING FACILITIES, CERTAINLY ADDING NEW ONES AS WELL. SO BIG, BROAD OVERVIEW THE CITY HAS ALMOST 500 FACILITIES THAT WE MANAGE AND MAINTAIN. AND I -- JUST A LIST, OF COURSE, WE ALL KNOW THIS, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY AVIATION AT THE AIRPORT HAS, YOU KNOW, DOZENS AND DOZENS OF BUILDINGS, BUT WE HAVE THE TWO AIRPORTS, SENIOR CENTERS, HEALTH CLINICS, PARKS, LIBRARIES, PLISES AND FIRE, COMMUNITY CENTERS, LIBRARIES, CONVENTION CENTER IS OUR LARGEST, OF COURSE, BUT THERE'S 500 FACILITIES IN OUR DATABASE THAT WE MANAGE AND MAINTAIN THROUGH A VARIETY OF WAYS. SO GENERAL MAINTENANCE OVERSIGHT, YOU KNOW, WE -- EVERY FACILITY, INCLUDING THE ONE WE'RE STANDING IN, YOU KNOW, ROUTINE MAINTENANCE, PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE, UPKEEP AND REPAIRS, THERE'S -- THOSE ARE MANAGED BY MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS. SO WE DON'T JUST HAVE ONE DEPARTMENT THAT DOES IT ALL. WE HAVE MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE ASSIGNED, CERTAIN FACILITIES, OF COURSE, THAT THEY OVERSEE, MANAGE, DAY-TO-DAY, AND THEY KNOW WHAT THE REPAIRS ARE NEEDED AS THEY'RE MANAGING THEIR FACILITY. THESE NEEDS ARE REVIEWED ANNUALLY THROUGH THE CITY'S BUDGET PROCESS. SO DEPARTMENTS GET TOGETHER THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS -- THOSE CITY LEADERSHIP TO PRIORITIZE THE PROJECTS THAT THEY NEED TO GET THEIR MISSION DONE, WHETHER IT'S A LIBRARY, COMMUNITY CENTER, CONVENTION CENTER, ET CETERA. OVERALL, CITY COUNCIL, YOU'LL REVIEW THE ANNUAL BUDGET, THE CIP BUDGET, AND THEN ALSO THE BOND PROCESS IS ANOTHER SIGNIFICANT PROCESS WHERE WE PUT A LOT OF MONEY TOWARDS OUR FACILITIES, WHETHER IT BE NEW OR MAINTENANCE, TO KEEP UP WITH THE DEMAND FOR OUR CITY SERVICES. SO THIS SLIDE REALLY JUST REMINDS US THAT WE HAVE A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. WE LOOK AT IT, WE DO A SIX-YEAR PLAN, WE LOOK AT OUR FACILITIES. SO WE HAVE THESE THREE BIG BUCKETS, IF YOU WILL, THAT WE DEAL WITH FACILITIES. OUR DEFERRED MAINTENANCE PROGRAM, I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. THAT'S A $30 MILLION SIX-YEAR PROGRAM, HITS SOME OF OUR BASIC GENERAL MAINTENANCE OF OUR FACILITIES. CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, OUR BOND PROGRAM, I JUST LISTED THE 2017 AND 2022, WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT TOMORROW AT THE B SESSION, BUT YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S ABOUT 130 MILLION IN THERE, AND THEN OUR OVERALL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, IF YOU LOOK AT OUR APPROVED BUDGET DOCUMENT WAS ABOUT 4.15 BILLION, WHEN YOU TAKE OUT STREETS AND DRAINAGE FROM THE CAPITAL INVESTMENT, THERE'S 3.24 BILLION. OF COURSE, MOST OF THAT IS THE AIRPORT PROJECT GOING ON RIGHT NOW, BUT WHAT YOU SEE IS A LOT OF FUNDING BUCKETS THAT WE PUT TOWARDS FACILITIES TO MAINTAIN -- AND, AGAIN, SOMETIMES BUILD NEW AND REPLACE, SO THIS IS JUST A SLIDE TO SHOW YOU AND REMIND US WHERE THOSE BUCKETS ARE. SO I WANT TO TALK A WILL IT'LL BIT ABOUT THE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE. SO EVERY FACILITY, WHETHER YOU'RE A CITY LIKE US OR YOU'RE A SCHOOL DISTRICT OR ANY LARGE CAMPUS, YOU HAVE MAINTENANCE PROGRAM, WE DEFER THAT YEAR-TO-YEAR UNTIL WE GET TO IT, BUT SINCE 2014, BESD HAS LED MOST OF THAT. BESD, BUILDING EQUIPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT, THEY MANAGE MAYBE ABOUT HALF
OF OUR FACILITIES, OR OVERSEE THAT, BUT THEY LOOK AT THAT $5 MILLION A YEAR PROGRAM TO PUT THOSE MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRS FOR THINGS LIKE HVAC UNITS, PLUMBING, ELECTRICAL, MAYBE SOME ROOF REPLACEMENTS, SO THAT'S KIND OF THE GENERAL NUTS AND BOLTS OF OUR FACILITIES MAINTENANCE ON A YEAR-TO-YEAR BASIS. THE MAINTENANCE REPAIR PROGRAM IS REALLY TO PRESERVE ALL THESE FACILITIES. EVERY FACILITY HAS A LIFE CYCLE, AND WE WANT THEM TO BE AS VIABLE AS POSSIBLE AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO TO KEEP THESE CITY BUILDINGS READY TO SERVE THE PUBLIC. AND THEN, AGAIN, OUR PROJECTS, WHEN WE GO THROUGH THIS ANNUAL OR WE GO THROUGH THE FIVE-YEAR PROGRAM WITH THE BOND OR THE SIX-YEAR CIP, WE ARE PRIORITIZING THINGS VERSE ON LIFE, SAFETY, HEALTH, MISSION, CRITICAL. SOME OF THOSE ARE DOWN TO THE INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE COMING UP WITH THOSE, A LOT OF THAT IS DONE COLLECTIVELY AT THE TABLE THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS ANNUALLY, BUT WE'RE CONSTANTLY PRIORITIZING NEEDS AS THEY COME. AND THAT CAN SHIFT, RIGHT? WE MAY VA AN EMERGENCY REPAIR, EMERGENCY MAINTENANCE NEED THAT WILL TRUMP SOMETHING AND GET AHEAD OF THE LIST. SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE BOND, OF COURSE, SO WE KNOW THAT FIVE-YEAR BOND PROGRAM, AND I JUST PUT UP HERE, YOU KNOW, IN THE 2017 AND '22, WE HAVE THOSE CATEGORIES FOR FACILITIES, PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES, LIBRARIES, ET CETERA, 58 MILLION. 136MILLION. SO A LOT OF MONEY INVESTED INTO THOSE PROJECTS, '18 AND 2017, 15 IN 2022, BUT THAT PROCESS IS, AGAIN, WE PRIORITIZE OUR NEEDS, WE GO THROUGH A PROCESS, THEN IT'S AN OPEN PUBLIC PROCESS AS WELL WITH A LOT OF INTERACTION WITH CITY COUNCIL, OF COURSE, BUT WE'RE CONSTANTLY GOING OVER OUR FACILITIES NEEDS. AND, AGAIN, SOME OF THOSE ARE BRAND-NEW FACILITIES THAT WE'RE BRINGING ONLINE, OTHERS ARE REPLACING A FACILITY THAT MAYBE WE CANNOT REPAIR ANYMORE, AND A LOT OF IT IS JUST TO RENOVATE AND IMPROVE THE FACILITY. SO HERE'S JUST AN OVERALL -- SOME EXAMPLES, IF WE LOOK AT THE 2017, 2022, OUR CAPITAL FY '26, WE'VE LISTED A FEW PROJECTS THERE. MOST OF THOSE ARE CITY FACILITIES, BUT SOME OF THE FUNDING DOES GO TO PARTNER ORGANIZATIONS, BUT YOU'LL SEE THE DISTRICT FOUR HERITAGE CENTER, WHICH WAS PART OF THE 2017, OF COURSE. DISTRICT 9 SENIOR CENTER. YOU'LL SEE THE ANIMAL CARE, VET HOSPITAL THAT WE'RE GOING TO BREAK GROUND ON NEXT MONTH, WB A COUPLE WEEKS. THE SOUTH FLORES SUBSTATION, WHICH WE BROKE GROUND ON LAST WEEK, WHICH IS THE 2022 BOND. FIRE STATION REPLACEMENTS THAT ARE IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT BUDGET, SO, AGAIN, THOSE ARE JUST SOME EXAMPLES OF WHAT WE'RE DOING TO EITHER REPAIR, MAINTAIN OR MAYBE SOMETIME EVEN REPLACE OR ESSENTIALLY, LIKE IN THE SOUTH FLORES SUBSTATION, SAPD, WE'RE BRINGING ON A NEW SUBSTATION TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY. SO OVERALL, THAT'S HOW WE DO IT. WE HAVE A LOT OF FACILITIES, I'LL JUST SUMMARIZE AGAIN, ALMOST 500 FACILITIES THAT WE MAINTAIN. ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS ARE KIND OF AT THE TABLE FOR THOSE. WE GO THROUGH OUR PRIORITIZATION PROJECT BASED ON OUR NEEDS IN THOSE, AND WE DEVELOP THEM THROUGH THE FUNDING SOURCES, WHETHER IT BE THE BUDGET, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, SIX-YEAR CYCLE, AND, OF COURSE, THE BOND PROGRAM. SO I'M HERE, AND I HAVE SEVERAL DEPARTMENTS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, AND I'LL HAND IT BACK OVER TO YOU. THANK YOU. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AND THANK YOU FOR THIS INFORMATION. WHEN I AGENDIZED THIS ITEM, THE GOAL IS TO -- AS WE'RE GETTING READY TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE NEXT BOND PROGRAM AND ALL OF OUR BOND NEEDS, WHAT I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND IS DO WE HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE LIST OF ALL OF OUR CITY-OWNED FACILITIES, DO WE KNOW WHAT CONDITION THEY'RE IN, DO WE KNOW THE LAST TIME THAT THEY WERE IMPROVED AND DO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT COMPREHENSIVE NEED IS IN TERMS OF ALL OF OUR PARK SPACES, OUR COMMUNITY CENTER SPACES, OUR FIRE STATIONS, POLICE STATIONS, ALL THE LIKE. WHAT I'M READING AND I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED. SO I GUESS THE FIRST QUESTION, ONE OF THE LAST SENTENCES YOU JUST SAID, IS THAT YOU GO OVER SORT OF A PRIORITIZATION PROCESS. WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE WITHOUT SAID LIST? >> SHANNON: SO WE HAVE A LIST OF OUR FACILITIES, AND EACH DEPARTMENT -- YOU KNOW, FROM THE LIBRARIES -- I KNOW MY LIBRARY FACILITIES AND I KNOW WHAT THOSE NEEDS ARE, THEY WORK WITH EITHER BESD, PUBLIC WORKS, NOW CDD. WHAT ARE THOSE NEEDS, WHAT ARE THOSE REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE. SOME OF THEM ARE EASY TO DO THROUGH EXISTING CONTRACTS THAT WE HAVE CONTRACTORS, WE HAVE FUNDING FOR IT. BUT REALLY THAT PRIORITIZATION IS WHEN WE'RE SEEKING FUNDING THROUGH THE ANNUAL BUDGET OR NOW AS WE ENTER INTO THE NEXT BOND CYCLE, RIGHT, AND WE'LL HAVE MORE CONVERSATION I THINK IN THE B SESSION TOMORROW ON THAT, BUT THOSE PROCESSES ARE DEVELOPED SO THAT WE CAN LOOK AT THAT LIST OF FACILITIES, CERTAINLY THE OLDER ONES OR ANY THAT NEED REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE THAT MAY BE MORE THAN JUST, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING MINOR THAT THEY DO EVERY DAY,
BUT WE GO THROUGH THAT AS A GROUP, MEANING DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS, YOU KNOW, THE ELT, AND FINALLY THE CITY MANAGER AS WE PROPOSE THAT TO THE CITY COUNCIL. THAT'S AN ANNUAL PROCESS THAT WE DO, AGAIN, MOSTLY THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: AND SO I GUESS THE -- I HAD BEEN ASKING FOR A PRESENTATION LIKE THIS FOR A FEW MONTHS NOW, AND IT SOUNDED LIKE IT WAS REALLY CHALLENGING TO GET, YOU KNOW, EVERY DEPARTMENT ON THE -- I DON'T WANT TO MISQUOTE. BUT IT SOUNDED LIKE IT WAS CHALLENGING TO SUMMARIZE HOW THAT WAS HAPPENING FOR EACH OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS IN A WAY THAT WAS CONFIDENCE INSPIRING, AND SO WHAT I REALLY WANT TO KNOW AND WHAT I WOULD HAVE PREFERRED TO HAVE GOTTEN OUT OF THIS CONVERSATION IS SINCE EVERY DEPARTMENT IT SOUNDS LIKE HAS THEIR OWN MECHANISMS FOR THIS AND THEY ARE OVERSEEING THEIR OWN FACILITIES, HOW IS IT THAT THEY ARE GETTING TO THAT POINT THAT I'M ASKING FOR, WHICH IS WHAT IS THE NEED, HOW ARE YOU UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE PRIORITIES ARE, WHAT CONVERSATIONS ARE YOU HAVING WITH COUNCILMEMBERS, COMMUNITY, WHERE DOES USE COME INTO PLAY? I NEED IT TO BE A LITTLE MORE COMPREHENSIVE THAN WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING AT THE MOMENT. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? >> SHANNON: I THINK SO. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, PART OF TODAY WAS REALLY BRINGING TO YOU WHAT WE HAVE TODAY, AND THEN WITH SOME OF THAT FEEDBACK, WE CAN CERTAINLY HUDDLE BACK, GET YOU MAYBE THE FULL LIST OF FACILITIES. THAT'S ONE, RIGHT. LET'S GET YOU THE FULL LIST OF FACILITIES. YOU ASKED FOR SOME OF THE DETAILS, WHAT ARE THE AGE OF THEM, WHEN WAS THE LAST MAJOR RENOVATION OR THE LAST TIME WE PUT IN SOME SIGNIFICANT MONEY TO MAYBE REPLACE AN HVAC SYSTEM OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT, SO WE CAN PROVIDE SOME OF THAT MORE INFORMATION TO THE COMMITTEE. AND THEN WITH ANY OTHER FEEDBACK THAT YOU GIVE US TODAY THAT WE CAN COME BACK AT A FUTURE COMMITTEE MEETING. BUT ALL OF THIS IS REALLY GOING TO BE ROLLED UP AND HAPPENING, I THINK, WITH THE BOND PROCESS, YOU KNOW, AS WE GET SOME DIRECTION PROBABLY TOMORROW OR SOON, BUT THEN DEFINITELY IN THE BUDGET PROCESS AS WELL THIS SUMMER. BUT ANY FEEDBACK YOU'VE GOT, WE'LL TAKE THAT BACK AND WORK ON IT AND WE CAN CERTAINLY COME BACK WITH SOME MORE INFORMATION. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU. I CAN APPRECIATE THAT. THE PRIORITY FOR THIS AND WANTING TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION OF THE PAST FEW MONTHS AND RIGHT NOW IS WE CAN'T BE IN THE MIDDLE OF, YOU KNOW, BOND COMMITTEES DISCUSSING THE PROJECTS THAT THEY WANT TO SEE AND THE COMMUNITY ASKING US FOR PROJECTS OR EVEN COUNCIL CONSIDERING A LIST OF PROJECTS WITHOUT HAVING THAT INFORMATION. AND THE SOONER WE GET THIS INFORMATION, THE BETTER. AND SO I WOULD ASK FOR SOME EXPEDIENCY. I WOULD ASK, YOU KNOW, THAT WE DO GET THAT LIST, THOSE PIECES OF INFORMATION THAT I ASKED FOR AS WELL. WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME IT WAS EVEN LOOKED AT -- STRUCTURALLY. ARE THERE ANY FOUNDATION ISSUES, HVAC ISSUES COMING DOWN THE PIPELINE. WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF ISSUES OVER THE PAST YEAR, AND SO MY CONCERN IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE SURPRISED IN A YEAR OR SO WHEN A COMMUNITY MEMBER COMES OUT AND SAYS, THIS IS GOING ON WITH THIS COMMUNITY CENTER, IT'S NOWHERE TO BE FOUND ON OUR LIST OF PROPOSED BOND PROJECTS. AND ALSO I DO WANT TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE CAN ACCOMPLISH IN SIX YEARS, IT LOOKS LIKE '26 THROUGH '31. YOU MENTIONED THAT A VAST MAJORITY OF THE CAPITAL BUDGET IS AIRPORT, I'D IMAGINE THAT'S MORE THAN HALF OF IT. BUT IF I WERE TO JUST LOOK AT THIS LIST, THERE'S ABOUT 33 BOND PROJECTS THAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO OVER THE SIX-YEAR PERIOD OR THAT'S A PART OF THAT, AND THEN I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PROJECTS TOTE REALLY IN THE '26? HOW MANY WE'RE ABLE TO DO ANNUALLY, BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE WE'RE ABLE TO EVEN GET TO A FIFTH OF -- A FI FIFTH OF OUR FACILITIES. I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S NECESSARY TO GET THROUGH A WHOLE BUNCH OF THEM, BUT IF WE CAN ONLY DO A FIFTH OVER SIX YEARS AND THEN WE HAVE TO WAIT ANOTHER SIX YEARS, THERE'S FACILITIES -- WE'RE SETTING OURSELVES UP FOR WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON NOW, WHICH IS YOU GO 10, 15, 20 YEARS WITHOUT A FACILITY SEEING A MAJOR IMPROVEMENT, IT FALLS INTO DISREPAIR, IT NEEDS A $20 MILLION IMPROVEMENT IN THE NEXT BOND PROGRAM -- IN THE BOND PROGRAM TWO, THREE CYCLES FROM NOW. SO HOW DO WE PREVENT THAT AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE. SO I LEAVE YOU WITH THAT QUESTION. >> SHANNON: SURE. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: I'VE CONVEYED WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE OUT OF A COMPREHENSIVE INDEX, AS WELL AS THE PACE AT WHICH I WOULD LIKE TO RECEIVE SAID INFORMATION. I KNOW IT MAY TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME BUT MY HOPE IS IT DOESN'T TAKE MORE THAN SEVERAL MONTHS. COUNCILMEMBER GAVITO? >> GAVITO: THANK YOU, CHAIR. AND THANKS FOR BRINGING THIS UP. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT AND TIMING, ALSO NOT ONLY BECAUSE OF THE BOND DISCUSSION, BUT ALSO BECAUSE WE'RE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT OUR VACANT BUILDINGS, AND WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE A NEED FOR SPACE ALL THE TIME, YOU KNOW, FOR WHETHER IT'S HOUSING NONPROFITS, WHETHER IT'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHATEVER. AND SO, YEAH, I JUST WANT TO PIGGYBACK OFF THAT. IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO SEE A FULL LIST OF THE
COMMUNITY CENTERS, WHICH ARE VACANT, WHICH ARE NOT. AND ALSO A MAP OF WHERE THEY'RE AT. I ALSO THINK UPCOMING REPAIRS OR, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHETHER THEY NEED NEW HVAC, INFRASTRUCTURE, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF WOULD BE HELPFUL, ESPECIALLY -- AUDIO] -- AND, YOU KNOW, WE COULD BE HELPING PUT SOME OF THAT STUFF TO USE. REALLY QUICK, I HAD TWO QUESTIONS. ON SLIDE 8 REGARDING THE 2017 BOND PROJECTS, ARE THERE ANY 2017 BOND PROJECTS STILL OUTSTANDING? AND IF SO, WHY? >> SHANNON: WE HAVE THREE BOND PROJECTS, THEY'RE NOT FACILITY PROJECTS. THEY ARE STREET PROJECTS. FOR EXAMPLE, ROOSEVELT IS ONE. WE'RE DOING A MAJOR STREET AND DRAINAGE. THAT WAS ONE OF THOSE TXDOT PROJECTS THAT WAS GOING TO BE TURNED BACK TO THE CITY, THEN IT WAS NOT. SO IT HAD TO DO A COMPLETE REDESIGN. REMIND ME -- PROBANDT, SIMILAR. SO WE HAVE JUST THREE OUT OF THE 2017 LEFT, BUT NOT IN THE FACILITIES CATEGORIES. >> GAVITO: OKAY. GOT IT. ALSO, TOO, I'D LIKE TO ASK ABOUT FIRE STATION NUMBER 10 RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE COLUMN, CAN YOU GO INTO DETAIL ABOUT THE PROCESS THAT -- ABOUT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE SO FAR AND WHERE WE'RE AT IN IDENTIFYING THE PROPERTY? BECAUSE THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT FIRE STATION THAT'S ON THE BORDER OF D7, D5 AND D1, SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE KNOW -- THERE WAS -- PROBABLY, WHAT, A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, THERE WAS A WHOLE LOT OF URGENCY AROUND IT UNTIL THERE WASN'T. SO JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT ON THAT. >> SHANNON: YOU'RE RIGHT. THERE R THERE'S STILL A LOT OF URGENCY FOR US. WE HAVE TO FIND THE PROPERTY. AND THAT ONE, WE HAD A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WE WERE SERIOUSLY LOOKING AT, IT WAS ACTUALLY TWO PROPERTIES SIDE BY SIDE. AND ACTUALLY THE OWNER SOLD -- THE OWNER OF ONE SOLD IT. WE EVEN TRIED TO GO BACK TO THE NEW OWNER OF THAT PROPERTY AND BUY IT. AND IT'S NOT A VIABLE PROPERTY ANYMORE. THAT NEW OWNER WANTS TO, YOU KNOW, BUILDING ON IT. SO WE ARE ACTIVELY WEEKLY, MONTHLY, LOOKING FOR PROPERTIES THAT WILL FIT THE NEEDS OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IN THAT AREA. ACTUALLY, WE JUST BROUGHT ON AN OUTSIDE REAL ESTATE BROKER TO HELP US -- RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A REAL ESTATE TEAM IN OURS THAT DOES A LOT OF THAT, BUT WHEN WE GET TO A POINT WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A CHALLENGING, YOU KNOW, TO FIND THE RIGHT PROPERTY, THAT'S WHEN WE BRING SOME OUTSIDE HELP. I MEAN, THIS IS A CHALLENGING ONE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOT TOO MANY THREE OR FOUR-ACRE PARCELS IN THAT AREA THAT FIT THE EXACT NEEDS OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. SO WE'RE TRYING TO BE CREATIVE, BUT IT HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, PRETTY CHALLENGING NOW FOR ABOUT A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF. >> GAVITO: OKAY. SO STILL -- WE'RE AT SQUARE ONE. >> SHANNON: WELL, WE'RE GOING TO KEEP LOOKING. AND AS, YOU KNOW, THE MARKET CHANGES OR PROPERTIES WITH FACILITIES ARE VACANT, YOU KNOW, COME UP, WE'RE KNOCKING ON, YOU KNOW, OWNER'S DOORS THAT HAVE EITHER VACANT PARCELS OR SOME STRUCTURES THAT WE THINK MIGHT FIT OUR NEEDS, BUT, AGAIN, FINDING THE RIGHT PIECE OF PROPERTY -- OR FINDING A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WILL WORK IS CRITICAL. >> GAVITO: OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU. I GUESS JUST ON THAT NOTE, BECAUSE I'M SURE THIS ISN'T THE ONLY PROJECT IN PERPETUITY THAT'S GOING TO HAVE THIS PROBLEM, I'M WONDERING IF IT GETS TO BE FOUR, FIVE, SIX YEARS AND WE'VE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO ACQUIRE PROPERTY, AT WHAT POINT DO -- AT WHAT POINT DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY -- WHEN CAN WE PIVOT AND WHEN SHOULD WE PIVOT TO MAYBE LOOKING AT EXPANDING SOME OF THE SURROUNDING FIRE STATIONS AND BUILDING ANOTHER FIRE STATION ELSE -- LIKE WHAT ARE THE OTHER? IS IT EVEN POSSIBLE TO LOOK AT ALTERNATIVES LIKE THAT? >> SHANNON: I THINK IT'S POSSIBLE, ABSOLUTELY. I THINK FIRE STATION 10 REPLACEMENT OR IMPROVEMENT, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, IS CRITICAL. IT'S CRITICAL IN THAT AREA, OF COURSE. SO IDEALLY, WE'D LIKE TO FIND A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WORKS AND JUST BUILD ON IT. OR IF THERE'S A VACANT STRUCTURE THERE'S NOT BEING USED, WE CAN BUY IT, TEAR IT DOWN AND BUILD SOMETHING THERE, BUT I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT ANY ALTERNATIVES IF WE CAN'T FIND SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, SHORTLY IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: AND SO AS NOT TO GO TOO DEEP INTO THE BOND PROCESS, ONE OF THE CONVERSATIONS I HAD WITH THE MAYOR WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING THE CHARGE OF THE COMMITTEE IS THAT HISTORICALLY WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED VERY MANY UPDATES ON THE BOND PROGRAM AS A WHOLE. WE DO HAVE THE BOND DASHBOARD, WHICH IS EXCELLENT. I THINK IT'S GREAT FOR PUBLIC CONSUMPTION, BUT I KNOW WE WANT TO GET A LITTLE MORE GRANULAR WHEN WE'RE DISCUSSING THE BOND AND WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY PROJECTS ARE DELAYED, ON TIME, WHAT ARE THE CHALLENGES AND HICCUPS THAT WE'RE HAVING AND HOW CAN WE DO BETTER OR REMOVE SOME OF THOSE BARRIERS AND OBSTACLES NEXT TIME, SO WE WILL BE RECEIVING A BIGGER PRESENCE TAIG ON THE BOND PROGRAM IN THE COMING MONTHS. >> SHANNON: YES. COUNCILMEMBE R MUNGIA? >> MUNGIA: THANK YOU. AND, MIKE, IS THE AQUATIC CENTER AND MULTIJEN CENTER -- THAT'S NOT FINISHED, IS IT? >> SHANNON: NO, IT'S
STILL IN CONSTRUCTION. >> MUNGIA: IS IT ACTUALLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION? >> SHANNON: YEAH. >> MUNGIA: AND MAYBE IF Y'ALL CAN SEND ME A BRIEFING ON THAT. >> SHANNON: SURE. >> MUNGIA: BECAUSE THAT'S CLOSE TO BEING 10 YEARS OLD, AND THERE'S NOT A PRODUCT YET, WHICH MAKES ME PRETTY NERVOUS ABOUT THAT. AGAIN, I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES THAT WE DO NEED A FULL LIST OF THESE BUILDINGS. YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY ARE BY STICT DISTRICT, WHAT IS THE LAST TIME THEY EVE BEEN WORKED ON, AND ALSO TO WHAT EXTENT , AND ALSO I GUESS ON SLIDE 6, ARE THOSE YOUR PRIORITIES WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT BUILDINGS, IS IT THESE THINGS THAT MATTER FIRST BEFORE, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO DO, LIKE, AESTHETIC WORK IN THE BUILDING OR PAINTING. WHAT'S THE PRIORITIES FOR BUILDINGS. >> SHANNON: WELL -- I MEAN, YEAH. CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, LIFE SAFETY ISSUES, YOU KNOW, HVAC, ELECTRICAL, THOSE ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE MORE PRIORITY -- BECAUSE THOSE GET TO THE GENERAL USE, THE SAFE AND HEALTHY USE OF A BUILDING OR STRUCTURE, THOSE WILL ALWAYS BE A LITTLE BIT MORE IMPORTANT THAN CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, MAKING IT LOOK A LITTLE PRETTIER, BUT USUALLY THEY COME HAND-IN-HAND AS YOU'RE RENOVATING SOMETHING, YOU HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, FRESHEN UP, EITHER NEW WALLS, PAINT, ET CETERA. THOSE WEREN'T INTENDED TO BE A LIST OF PRIORITIES IN THAT MANNER. THOSE ARE JUST INTENDED TO BE AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE KIND OF SEE OVER TIME. I MEAN, THE COUNCILMAN MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, 20 YEARS YOU'RE GOING TO NEED SOME PRETTY GOOD UPGRADES, YOU KNOW, JUST BASED ON THE LIFE CYCLE OF THE BUILDING. BUT THAT'S HOW WE WOULD PRIORITIZE IT. BIG BROAD CATEGORIES MUPGZ AND ALSO WHEN YOU COME UP WITH THAT LIST -- THIS INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE TO YOU ALL TO PICK FROM, WHEN THAT BUILDING BECAME -- WHETHER IT WAS A NEW BUILDING OR WE ACQUIRED IT, WHEN IT CAME ONTO THE CITY BOOKS, THAT WAY WE KIND OF KNOW WHERE -- HOW MANY NEW BUILDINGS OVER TIME ARE WE ADDING. AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, WHERE THESE NEW BUILDINGS ARE GEOGRAPHICALLY SPEAKING IN THE CITY, BECAUSE I'M SURE THAT THERE ARE SOME PLACES WHICH IS LANDLOCKED, RIGHT, IN THE INNER CITY, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF NEWER FACILITIES OVER TIME, VERSUS SOME OF THE OTHER PLACES IN OUR COMMUNITIES THAT ARE EXPANDING AND HAVE OPPORTUNITIES FOR LAND ACQUISITION. AND I GUESS ALSO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS MORE OF A CONVERSATION FOR US, BUT THAT MAP IS GOING TO HELP US WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, EQUITY WITH CITY FACILITIES, SO, YOU KNOW, A BROKEN, YOU KNOW, RESTROOM IS A BROKEN RESTROOM, NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE, AND THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED. BUT IF THERE ARE CERTAIN AREAS OF OUR COMMUNITY THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, FIVE OR MORE FACILITIES WITH THOSE TYPES OF PROBLEMS VERSUS SOME THAT ARE VERY LIMITED WITH ISSUES, THEN WE NEED TO BE FOCUSING MONEY ON THOSE AREAS WHERE WE HAVE MORE OF BAD -- OR NOT UP TO PAR FACILITIES. AND SO I THINK THAT HAS TO BE LOOKED AT. AND ALSO THE USE OF THESE FACILITIES, YOU KNOW, IS VERY IMPORTANT. SO, YOU KNOW, LIKE MILLER'S POND, FOR EXAMPLE, IS A HUGE -- OF USE AND THE FACILITY IS PRETTY OLD IN THE ACTUAL BUILDING. JOHNSTON LIBRARY, RIGHT, GETS A LOT OF USE IN MY DISTRICT, VERY, VERY SMALL FOOTPRINT, CORTEZ LIBRARY, VERY, VERY SMALL FOOTPRINT, AND AT LEAST ONE OF THOSE IS LANDLOCKED, SO THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPAND IS VERY LIMITED. BUT I THINK THAT HELPS US, TOO, RIGHT? IF THERE'S A LO T OF PEOPLE USING A FACILITY AND THAT ONE'S NOT UP TO PAR, THAT'S SOMETHING FOR US TO CONSIDER AS AN INVESTMENT, RIGHT, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE GOING TO THIS SPECIFIC LIBRARY AND WE HAVE ISSUES WITH HVAC OR THE BATHROOM, THAT MIGHT BE A PRIORITY VERSUS ANOTHER CITY FACILITY THAT DOESN'T ACTUALLY GET PUBLIC TRAFFIC, RIGHT? BECAUSE I'M ASSUMING THESE ARE ALSO LIKE OFFICE BUILDINGS THAT WE OWN THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC IS NOT REALLY ACCESSING MUCH, BUT WE HAVE A STAFF THAT DOES. >> SHANNON: SURE. >> MUNGIA: YEAH. SO THAT'S HELPFUL, I THINK, FOR ME TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND MORE WHERE WE ARE GENERALLY SPEAKING. >> SHANNON: WE'LL GRAB THAT INFORMATION FROM THE DEPARTMENTS. I THINK WE TRACK THOSE, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE ENTERING THE LIBRARY EACH MONTH OR YEAR. SO WE CAN ADD THAT TO THE LIST OR SEE HOW WE CAN COMPILE THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU. >> MUNGIA: SURE. AND THEN ALSO, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE PARTNER WITH SOME OF THESE INSTITUTIONS FOR SOME OF THESE BOND PROJECTS, WHAT DO THOSE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS LOOK LIKE? >> SHANNON: NORMALLY, JUST THINKING OF THE LAST FEW, AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL PROPOSE A PROJECT THAT GETS APPROVED THROUGH THE PROCESS AND VOTER APPROVED. A LOT OF THOSE ARE REALLY JUST FUNDING AGREEMENTS. WE'RE FUNDING THEM. FOR EXAMPLE THERE'S A PROJECT AT UTSA RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE BUILDING A FACILITY, AND ONCE THEY REACH MILESTONES WE FUND THAT TO BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, SATISFY THE PROJECT IN THE BOND. OTHERS LIKE THE MAGIK THEATRE RENOVATION THAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW, WE'RE OVERSEEING THE
CONSTRUCTION AND MAINTENANCE ON THAT -- DON'T REALLY TAKE ON THAT MAINTENANCE. SO IT'S -- YOU KNOW, IT DIFFERS A LITTLE BIT. SOMETIMES IT'S REALLY JUST GIVING THEM MONEY TOWARDS A PROJECT THAT WE FEEL -- AND THE VOTERS FELT WAS APPROPRIATE IN THE BOND. OTHER TIMES IT'S, YOU KNOW, OVERSEEING THE CONSTRUCTION AND RENOVATION. I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY MORE OF IT. WE DON'T REALLY TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF MAINTENANCE FOR THEIR FACILITIES. >> MUNGIA: YEAH. AND THEN ALSO MAYBE OFFLINE, WE CAN -- I KNOW HOMER'S HERE, TOO. WE CAN CHAT ABOUT SPECIFICALLY LACKLAND TERRACE, WE HAVE A LONGSTANDING ISSUE WITH THE RESTROOM AND CONCESSION STAND OUT THERE, AND SO WE CAN CHAT ABOUT THAT LATER, TOO. THANK YOU. >> SHANNON: LACKLAND TERRACE. >> MUNGIA: YEAH, LACKLAND TERRACE PARK. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU. AND QUICK QUESTION. DO WE INCLUDE IN THIS LIST FACILITIES THAT WE LEASE? SO FACILITIES THAT WE OPERATE OUT OF BUT WE DON'T OWN? >> SHANNON: YES. TODAY WAS JUST REALLY TALKING ABOUT THE ONES THAT WE OWN, BUT THERE ARE SOME THAT WE LEASE AND OPERATE OUT OF, SO WE CAN CERTAINLY INCLUDE THAT IN THE LIST. THAT NUMBER IS A LOT SMALLER THAN IT USED TO BE, CONSOLIDATION OF A LOT OF CITY FACILITIES IN THE CITY TOWER OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, BUT WE CAN INCLUDE THAT ON THE LIST TO BE COMPREHENSIVE FOR YOU. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN SPEARS? >> SPEARS: THANK YOU, CHAIR. THANKS, MIKE. SO I KIND OF -- I WANT TO REITERATE -- ABOUT FIXED ASSETS. THIS IS SORT OF MY THING IN ACCOUNTING. SO I'M INTERESTED TO KNOW -- I GUESS WE NEED A MORE COMPREHENSIVE METRIC HERE TO UNDERSTAND -- OR SET OF METRICS, BECAUSE LIKE COUNCILMAN MUNGIA WAS SAYING, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHERE OUR BIGGEST RETURN ON INVESTMENT IS, THE PROPERTIES WE NEED TO MAYBE LOOK AT SELLING OR REPURPOSING. I AM KEENLY FOCUSED, TOO, ON THE LOW-HANGING FRUIT, THE THINGS THAT WILL BE EASY TO MAINTAIN AND FIX QUICKLY WITH MINIMAL IMPACT MONETARILY. AND SO THAT -- THAT IS, YOU KNOW, EXTENDING OUR USEFUL LIFE AS LONG AS WE CAN ON THE REALLY GOOD ASSETS THAT WE HAVE VERSUS THE DOGS THAT WE REALLY DON'T NEED ANYMORE. OR THAT, YOU KNOW -- LIKE COUNCILMAN MUNGIA'S SAYING WE NEED MORE. MY RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO WANT TO TALK ABOUT WE NEED MORE, WE NEED NEW. AND I WANT TO BE AI ABLE TO TELL THEM, HEY, WE'VE GOT TO BE TAKING CARE OF THIS, TOO, AND THIS IS WHY. SO THE SOONER WE DO GET THAT INFORMATION, LIKE THE CHAIR WAS SAYING, IT HELPS ME IN TALKING TO MY CONSTITUENTS ABOUT, YEAH, I KNOW YOU WANT X, Y, Z, BUT WE'VE STILL GOT TO TAKE CARE OF THESE ASSETS WE ALREADY HAVE IN OUR DISTRICT AND ACROSS THE CITY, RIGHT? AND SO I ALSO WANTED TO SEE IF YOU COULD -- AFTER -- I KNOW IT WILL TAKE A MINUTE, BUT TO SEE WHAT -- IF THERE'S A PROJECTED GAP IN FUNDING OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS FOR OUR DEFERRED MAINTENANCE PROGRAM. AND I THINK THAT WILL FALL OUT AS WE DO A LOT OF THIS RESEARCH OR AS WE HAVE THE LIST OF ALL THE FACILITIES. I DO WANT TO SEE THE AGE, THE FUNCTION, MAYBE A CONDITION RATING, AND THEN YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS, SHOULD WE KEEP IT, SHOULD WE SELL IT, SHOULD WE -- I MEAN, WHAT WE CAN DO WITH IT. I KNOW SAN ANTONIO HAS LOTS OF HISTORICAL PROPERTIES, SO THERE MAY BE SOME OPPORTUNITIES THERE TO LOOK AT OTHER FUNDING, WHICH BRINGS ME TO THAT QUESTION IS HOW DO YOU DECIDE WHEN SOMETHING MOVES OUT OF THE DNP AND INTO A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM OR A BOND-FUNDED PROJECT, I'D LIKE TO SEE THOSE INVESTMENTS, TOO. AND THEN -- WHAT WAS MY OTHER QUESTION? I THINK IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE IMPORTANT IN HOW WE SEE THE SUCCESS THAT THE DNP -- AND EXPLAINING -- AGAIN, EXPLAINING THAT TO MY CONSTITUENTS IS REALLY GOING TO BE A KEY PIECE, BUT IT WILL PROBABLY BE -- IT BECAUSE EVERYTHING HAS A DIFFERENT WAY TO ASSESS ITS VALUE NECESSARILY, AND MAYBE SOME OF THIS WILL COME UP AT -- LIKE WE'RE DOING THE FIRE RISK ASSESSMENT AND ALL OF THAT, SO TO THE EXTENT WE CAN BRING THAT INFORMATION ALTOGETHER AND MAYBE TAKE THE LOAD OFF OF Y'ALL A LITTLE BIT, I THINK THAT'S GREATMENT OR IF YOU CAN SAY WE'RE GOING TO BRING THIS TO YOU IN A FEW MONTHS, BUT, AGAIN, I THINK THE ROLLOUT IS SUPER IMPORTANT AND THE MAPPING OF IT ALL, SEEING WHERE THINGS ARE IS ALSO EQUALLY IMPORTANT. YOU KNOW, BECAUSE AS COUNCILMAN MUNGIA HAS, YOU KNOW, REALLY NEEDS SOME LIBRARIES, I WANT TO KNOW THAT. SO -- >> SHANNON: SURE. >> SPEARS: ANYWAY, I THINK THAT'S EVERYTHING I HAD HERE. BUT, YEAH, I DO LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THIS. I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THIS LIST AND ALL THE METRICS THERE. AND MAYBE A PROJECTION IS GOOD.
>> SHANNON: OKAY. AND JUST -- I'LL JUST TOUCH ON ONE THING, SO -- AND [INDISCERNIBLE] WHEN WE COME BACK BASED ON THIS FEEDBACK, BUT CERTAINLY ONE OF THE BASIC, YOU KNOW, WHY IS IT IN DEFERRED MAINTENANCE OR WHY IS IT IN CAPITAL, WHY IS IT IN BOND, I MEAN, THE FUNDING -- AS THE NEED IS LARGER, YOU KNOW, THE MORE EXPENSIVE IT IS, IT MOVES TO THE BIGGER BUCKETS, RIGHT? SO I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE BASIC RULES WE LOOK AT. WE TRY TO GET AS MUCH DONE AS WE CAN WITH THE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE PROGRAM, THE $5 MILLION EACH YEAR, BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE REPLACING AN HVAC SYSTEM, AND THAT MAY BE, YOU KNOW, A MILLION DOLLARS PER FACILITY, THAT'S GOING TO EAT UP A LOT, RIGHT, SO THAT MAY MOVE INTO THE NEXT BUCKET. BUT WE'LL HAVE MORE INFORMATION ON THAT TIED IN WITH A LOT OF THE OTHER COMMENTS THAT WE GOT. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN. I GUESS JUST TO TAKE IT A LITTLE -- A STEP FURTHER, LOOK A LITTLE FURTHER OUT TO WHAT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE DONE AND THIS IS SORT OF A STEP IN THAT DIRECTION, BY GETTING A COMPREHENSIVE LIST, I'D LOVE TO SEE US, FOR ALL OF OUR CITY DEPARTMENTS AND ALL OF OUR PROPERTIES, START THINKING ABOUT THINGS THE WAY THAT WE DO WITH OUR STREET IMPROVEMENTS WITH THE EQUITY LENS. IF YOU'RE ABLE TO SAY THIS DISTRICT HAS THIS MUCH STREET NEED AND THIS IS WHERE WE SHOULD BE PRIORITIZING DOLLARS, WE SHOULD ALSO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, OUR FIRE STATIONS, OUR POLICE STATIONS, OUR PARKS, COMMUNITY CENTERS, SENIOR CENTERS, AND SAY THE SAME THING. SO MAYBE IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE ONE COMPREHENSIVE LIST IN TRYING TO GET EVERY SINGLE DEPARTMENT ON THE SAME PAGE IN TERMS OF HOW THEY RATE THEIR FACILITIES OR HOW THEY GRADE THEM, BUT AT LEAST IF WE R WITH ABLE TO DO THAT WITH EACH ONE OF THOSE FACILITIES AND SAY PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES, FOR EXAMPLE, THIS IS WHAT -- THIS IS HOW WE WOULD RATE IT, THIS IS THE USE, THIS IS THE NEED, SAME THING WITH SENIOR CENTERS AND COMMUNITY CENTERS, THIS IS THE NEED OR THIS IS THE USE, THIS IS THE LAST TIME IT SAW ANY KIND OF IMPROVEMENT, THIS IS WHAT WE ANTICIPATE THE NEED IS, AND THEN IDEALLY IN OUR BOND PROGRAMS OR IN THE GENERAL FUND, WE'RE ABLE TO LOOK AT THOSE AND SAY, OKAY, THIS DISTRICT'S LIBRARIES ARE IN POOR CONDITION, WE'RE GOING TO PRIORITIZE ANY DOLLARS THAT GO TOWARDS LIBRARIES, TOWARDS THIS LIBRARY IN THIS SPECIFIC DISTRICT FOR THIS REASON. THAT'S -- I THINK WE SHOULD BE MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION AND HOPEFULLY THE CREATION OF A COMPREHENSIVE INDEX OF SORTS WILL HELP US GET THERE. DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? PERFECT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> SHANNON: ALL RIGHT. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM. CAN YOU READ THE CAPTION FOR ME? EASY PEASY. BRIEFING ON CITY OWN-OWNED SURPLUS PROPERTIES. >> SHANNON: SO A GOOD SEGUE INTO THE NEXT TOPIC, CERTAINLY SURPLUS PROPERTIES. SO I'LL GO OVER KIND OF WHAT OUR CODE SAYS AND SOME PROCESS -- A LITTLE BIT EASIER, THOUGH, IN TERMS OF SURPLUS PROPERTY. SURPLUS PROPERTY IS MOSTLY VACANT PROPERTY THAT HAS NO CURRENT OR FUTURE PLANNED USE. WE KEEP TRACK OF THIS AND REALLY YOU ALL, THE CITY COUNCIL, DESIGNATES SOMETHING AS SURPLUS BECAUSE WHENEVER WE HAVE TO -- WHENEVER WE WANT TO DISPOSE OF IT OR SOMEONE WANTS TO BUY IT, IT GOES THROUGH A PROCESS AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THROUGH COUNCIL ACTION IT'S DEEMED SURPLUS IN ORDER TO MEET OUR LOCAL AND STATE LAWS, AND THEN IT CAN BE DISPOSITIONED OR SOLD. WE HAVE A CAPITAL DELIVERY DEPARTMENT, WE HAVE A REAL ESTATE TEAM. CHRISTY CHAPMAN'S HERE, SHE'S OUR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, SHE OVERSEES THAT TEAM, THAT TEAM IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MANAGING OUR CITY SURPLUS PROPERTIES, SO WE HAVE A -- WE HAVE A WEBSITE, GIS MAP TOOL THAT DOES HAVE THOSE PROPERTIES ON THERE THAT GETS UPDATED MONTHLY. WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT. NOW, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ABOUT -- WE HAVE 51 PROPERTIES THAT'S TOTAL, ABOUT 10 ACRES, AND IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A LOT, RIGHT? OUT OF THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PROPERTY IN THE CITY, WE OWN A BUNCH, BUT THERE'S ONLY ABOUT 51 THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED AS REALLY SURPLUS OR POTENTIAL SURPLUS PROPERTIES. AND, YOU KNOW, THE SIZE OF THOSE ARE -- THEY GO FROM A MICRO LEVEL TO A .003 ACRES, IT'S A SMALL PIECE OF LAND THAT WAS KIND OF LEFT OUT OF DEVELOPMENT 50 YEARS AGO R ZERO SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT, AND THEN WE HAVE FIKDZUP TO ABOUT AN ACRE ON ONE OR TWO OF THOSE PROPERTIES. SO SELLING SURPLUS PROPERTY, THIS IS ALWAYS THE QUESTION THAT WE GET WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, HEY, THE CITY HAS SOME EXTRA PROPERTY, SURPLUS PROPERTY, THERE'S NO PLANNED USE FOR IT, WE HAVE A LOCAL CODE, AND, OF COURSE, IT'S GOVERNED BY THE STATE CODE -- KNOW, WHAT WE HAVE TO DO, HOW YOU DISPOSE OF IT, IDENTIFY IT AND DISPOSE OF IT. SO WE TEND TO GET A REQUEST FOR CITY-OWNED PROPERTY. SOMEONE MIGHT SAY, HEY, I WANT THAT, I'M AN ADJACENT OWNER OR I'M LOOKING AT THAT, I SEE THE CITY HAS IT ON THEIR WEBSITE, WOULD YOU BE THEN WE GO THROUGH A PROCESS, STATE LAW, WE HAVE TO ADVERTISE IT, BECAUSE OF CITY PROPERTY, THAT WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY SELL IT, WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR FAIR MARKET VALUE OF
WHATEVER THAT IS, WORKING WITH A BROKER, SO THERE'S A FEW STEPS WE HAVE DO THERE AND THAT'S WHEN OUR TEAM WOULD START WORKING. NOW, TWO THINGS THERE. WE HAVE TO LIST IT, RIGHT? LET PEOPLE KNOW WE MIGHT BE SELLING A PIECE OF CITY PROPERTY, EVEN IF IT'S ONLY .03 ACRES. AND WE HAVE TO DO IT BY FAIR MARKET VALUE. THERE ARE SOME EXCEPTIONS, THOUGH, AND WE LISTED A FEW OF THEM THERE FOR EITHER AN EXCEPTION TO ADVERTISING IT, SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF IT'S THE ADJACENT PROPERTY AND THEY WANTED TO BUY IT FROM THE CITY, IT KIND OF MAKES SENSE, THERE'S AN EXCEPTION TO THAT. THERE'S ALSO TO REQUIRING US TO GET FAIR MARKET VALUE FROM IT. NOW, WE CAN CHOOSE TO MAKE THAT EXCEPTION OR NOT, AND THERE ARE TIMES WHEN WE HAVEN'T AND THERE'S TIMES WHEN WE HAVE. BUT IF SOMEONE MEETS ONE OF THOSE EXCEPTIONS THERE, A NONPROFIT FOR PUBLIC PURPOSE, IF WE WANTED TO, WE COULD. BUT THAT'S A DECISION THAT WE WOULD MAKE AND PRESENT TO THE COUNCIL THROUGH THIS PROCESS. OKAY? THERE ARE A BUNCH OF STEPS THERE THAT I'VE OUTLINED, ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX. A PROCESSING FEE, WE CANVASS, MAKE SURE IT REALLY IS A PIECE OF PROPERTY IN THE CITY THAT NO ONE HAS A FUTURED PLAN USE, RIGHT, AND THEN ADVERTISE, WE BRIEF CERTAINLY THE COUNCILMEMBER OR MEMBERS, WE GO THROUGH A PLANNING COMMISSION PROCESS AND COUNCIL, OF COURSE, AND THEN THERE'S AN ORDINANCE AND SALE. SO THIS ONE, WE DO HAVE A DATABASE, IT'S A GIS MAP AND TOOL. WE USE SOME BCAD DATA AND IT'S UPDATED MONTHLY BY OUR REAL ESTATE TEAM. WE CREATED THIS WITH ITSD, BUT IT'S KIND OF LIKE AN ADVERTISING TOOL FOR OUR CITY PROPERTY, SO WHENEVER THERE'S SOMEBODY LOOKING FOR A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT MAYBE THE CITY MIGHT WANT TO GET RID OF, THIS IS WHERE ONE -- ONE OF THE TOOLS THEY'LL USE. IF THEY SEE SOMETHING THERE, THEY'LL CALL US AND ASK US AND MAYBE START THAT PROCESS. AGAIN, WE PULL IN SOME BCAD INFORMATION AS WELL WITH THE HELP OF ITSD. SO REALLY, IT'S THAT SIMPLE. WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PROPERTIES THAT WE LOOK AT AND KIND OF JUST MAINTAIN ON THIS, AND THEN WHEN SOMEONE WANTS TO PURCHASE IT, WE GO THROUGH A PROCESS. SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO CERTAINLY KEEP THAT UPDATED. THAT'S OUR CHARGE. AND THEN WE ACTUALLY PERIODICALLY, WE ACTUALLY GO OUT AND TRY TO MARKET SOME OF THESE. I THINK OF THE ONE-ACRE PARCEL THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO -- RESIDENTIAL THERE, MIGHT BE A GOOD FIT. NO ONE'S TAKEN IT YET, SO WE'RE CONSTANTLY ASKING NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, THIS IS IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, DO YOU WANT THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, AND WE START THAT DIALOGUE. SO SOMETIMES IT WORKS AND OTHER TIMES THEY DON'T WANT TO ADD IT TO THEIR TAX ROLLS. SO WITH THAT, I'LL BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. AND THIS SEGUES PERFECTLY FROM THE LAST CONVERSATION WE WERE HAVING, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT COUNCILWOMAN SPEARS WAS SAYING. I WILL SAY THE PURPOSE OF THIS BRIEFING WASN'T NECESSARILY ME SAYING I THINK WE NEED TO SELL A BUNCH OF PROPERTIES. I'M ACTUALLY IN MY ACQUIRING PROPERTIES BAG, AND I'VE WORKED -- AND I'VE GOTTEN TO WORK A LOT WITH HOMER AND THE PARKS TEAM TO LOOK AT SOME OF OUR CITY-OWNED FACILITIES THAT ARE VACANT LAND AND THINK HOW CAN WE UTILIZE THESE FOR GREENSPACE AND PARKS TO INCREASE OUR PARKS SCORE AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS, AND SO THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS I WANT TO TAKE AWAY FROM THIS. ONE IS THAT I WOULD LOVE IF YOU COULD SEND A LIST OF THESE PROPERTIES BY COUNCIL DISTRICT TO EACH OF THE COUNCILMEMBERS. AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE MY COLLEAGUES TO THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW MIGHT WE BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE SOME OF OUR GOALS WITH THESE PROPERTIES, ARE THEY NECESSARY FOR US TO CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN, COULD THEY BE HELPFUL IN ACHIEVING OUR HOUSING GOALS, PARKS GOALS, ANYTHING OF THE SORT. THEN I ALSO WANTED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE DISPOSITION PROCESS AND HOW WE CAN PREVENT SOME OF THE MORE HARMFUL USES. BECAUSE WHEN I THINK OF PUBLIC PROPERTIES AND THE SALE OF THEM, I THINK ABOUT THE HARM THAT THEY COULD CAUSE IF THEY WERE TO BE USED TO DEVELOP LUXURY CONDOS OR IF THEY WERE TO BE A GAS STATION OR A CAR WASH. AND SO THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DO WE HAVE THE POSSIBILITY OF IMPLEMENTING RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS THAT PREVENTS SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T APPRECIATE QUITE AS MUCH. AND NOT NECESSARILY TO SAY THAT ABOUT THE HOUSING OR CONDOS AND ALL THAT, HOPEFULLY WE WOULD JUST BE MINDFUL, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THE PROPERTIES FOR THAT, BUT MORE SO THOSE SMALLER USES THAT ARE MORE INDUSTRIAL IN NATURE OR MORE -- LESS DESIRABLE. I GUESS WHAT DO YOU -- WHAT SAY YOU? >> SHANNON: OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, HAVE WE DONE RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS BEFORE? I'LL FIND OUT. I'LL WORK WITH OUR LEGAL TEAM ABOUT RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD IF WE'RE PRECLUDED BY LAW. I WILL TELL YOU WHEN WE SELL THE PIECE OF SURPLUS PROPERTY, THE OWNER TELLS US WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO. NOW, HOW BINDING IS THAT, I'LL GET SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THAT. YOU ALL AT THE COUNCIL, THAT LAST ACTION ARE APPROVING WHETHER WE SELL IT TO THE NEW OWNER,
USUALLY THERE'S SOME DISCUSSION AS TO WHAT THAT USE IS. BUT I'LL DO SOME MORE RESEARCH AND COME BACK TO YOU ON THAT. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: I APPRECIATE THAT. AGAIN, THIS WAS REALLY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ACCESS TO INFORMATION THAT WOULD BENEFIT US AS COUNCILMEMBERS IF WE HAVE -- IF WE'RE INTERESTED IN CREATING NEW PARKS, INTERESTED IN BUILDING NEW COMMUNITY CENTERS. AGAIN, SOME OF THIS PROPERTY IS NOT GOING TO BE CONDUCIVE OF THAT -- LIKE AND SO I THINK JUST MAKING SURE THAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE THIS INFORMATION IS IMPORTANT. I WANTED IT FOR MYSELF, LOVE IT FOR THEM AS WELL. SO WE'LL START OFF WITH SOME COUNCILMEMBER COMMENTS. COUNCILMEMBER MUNGIA? >> MUNGIA: I DIDN'T KNOW WE HAD A DASH DASHBOARD FOR THAT, AND I JUST THINK THAT GOES TO THE POINT WE SHOULD HAVE A DASHBOARD FOR ALL THE DASHBOARDS THAT THE FORMER MAYOR USED TO SAY. NO, IT'S GREAT. I APPRECIATE THE LIST. I THINK IT WOULD ALSO BE NICE IF THE LIST INCLUDED WHAT THE ZONING FOR THAT PROPERTY CURRENTLY IS, BECAUSE THAT MIGHT BE A WAY TO -- WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, LOOK AT THESE PROPERTIES, AND I GUESS WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO REZONE OUR OWN CITY FACILITY PROPERTIES. >> SHANNON: SURE. >> MUNGIA: SO WE COULD DO THAT MASS TO PREVENT -- IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT'S CURRENTLY ZONED INDUSTRIAL, WE COULD REALLY LOWER THAT ZONING INTENSITY AND MAKE SURE THAT WHEN IT'S SOLD, IT'S AT A CERTAIN ZONING POINT. THAT WAY IF THEY WANT TO CHANGE IT, THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS. >> SHANNON: UH-HUH. >> MUNGIA: I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR US TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, SELLING THIS PROPERTY AND IT'S GOING TO BE A CAR LOT OR A YOJUNKYARD OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO REALIZE, TOO. AND I THINK THOSE ARE ALL MY COMMENTS. THAT WILL BE VERY HELPFUL FOR ME -- FOR MY DISTRICT WHERE THOSE PROPERTIES ARE AND I GUESS THE MAINTENANCE IS, WHAT, THROUGH PUBLIC WORKS FOR VACANT LOTS. >> SHANNON: YES. IT WILL BE -- WE WILL MAINTAIN THAT IN PUBLIC WORKS, YEAH. >> MUNGIA: OKAY. WHEN I GET MY LIST, I'LL GO BY AND SEE WHAT THE STATUS OF THOSE LOTS LOOK LIKE, TOO. SO -- THANK YOU, CHAIR. APPRECIATE IT. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN GAVITO? >> GAVITO: THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHAIR. YEAH, I WOULD AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN MUNGIA'S COMMENTS. ALSO, TOO, I THINK ONE OF THE OTHER HELPFUL PIECES OF INFORMATION IS HOW MUCH IS THE CITY SPENDING JUST TO UPKEEP AND MAINTAIN THESE PROPERTIES, TOO. I AM CURIOUS, TO YOUR COMMENT ON THE EARLIER POINT, WAS, YOU KNOW, WE WILL BE ABLE TO SEE THE EQUITY OR INEQUITY THAT WE HAVE IN UPKEEPING AND MAINTAINING THESE AROUND THE CITY. SO I DON'T THINK WE DID SET A TIMELINE. WHEN'S OUR NEXT TRANSPORTATION MEETING AND COULD WE HAVE THE INFORMATION BY THEN? >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: I BELIEVE OUR NEXT MEETING IS FEBRUARY 3RD. WE HAVE THE -- WE HAVE A PLAN FOR THE AGENDA. WE CAN MAYBE PLAN FOR THE MARCH MEETING. WOULD THAT BE ENOUGH TIME? >> SHANNON: I THINK FOR -- >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE ASKING. >> COUNCILWOMAN, I THINK WE CAN PROVIDE THE LIST OF PROPERTIES IN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO. >> GAVITO: PERFECT. SOUNDS GOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN SPEARS? >> SPEARS: THANKS, CHAIR. I JUST AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES. IN THAT LIST, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE ZONING DESIGNATION. IT'S KIND OF HARD WITH THE LIST, I GUESS, INFRASTRUCTURE ACCESS, ANY ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS OR LIMITS ON REDEVELOPMENT THAT CURRENTLY EXIST. AND THEN IS THERE A PROCESS IF WE DECIDE TO REMOVE IT FROM THE LIST? IS THERE A SPECIFIC -- A PROCESS, A STATUTORY PROCESS WE HAVE TO FOLLOW OR NO? >> SHANNON: WELL, THE PROCESS THAT I OUTLINED IS BASED ON THE STATE AND LOCAL CODES, RIGHT? AND IF SOMEONE WERE TO PURCHASE IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S OURS UNTIL SOMEONE BUYS IT FROM US, OR PURCHASES IT, LAND SWAPS IT OR WHATEVER, AND THEN WE WOULD JUST GO THROUGH THOSE STEPS THAT I OUTLINED LINED. WE WOULD CANVASS THE PROPERTY, MAKE SURE WE REALLY DON'T NEED IT OR WANT IT, GO THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION AND WORK THROUGH CITY COUNCIL AND CITY COUNCIL WOULD DO THAT ACTION. SO THAT'S REALLY THE PROCESS. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OTHER STEPS, I THINK, I LISTED THERE, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE FOLLOW. >> SPEARS: IF WE WANT TO PULL IT OFF, THERE'S NO RESTRICTIONS -- >> SHANNON: NO, I OO M SORRY. I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION NOW. IF WE WANT TO TAKE THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY AND SAY WE DO HAVE A FUTURE PLAN OF USE, WE ADMINISTRATIVELY TAKE IT OFF OUR LIST BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HOLD ON TO THAT AS A POTENTIAL CITY USE FOR LIKE A PLANNED PROPERTY. THAT'S RIGHT, I MISUNDERSTOOD YOUR QUESTION. >> SPEARS: NO, THAT'S FINE. AND THEN I'D BE INTERESTED TO KNOW MAYBE PAST FIVE YEARS HOW MANY WE'VE SOLD AND HOW LONG THEY WERE ON THE MARKET, KIND OF HOW WE WORKED THROUGH THOSE PROCESSES. I THINK FIVE IS PROBABLY LONG ENOUGH. UNLESS YOU THINK 10 IS BETTER. I'LL LEAVE THAT TO YOU. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY THAT IS. AND THEN -- YEAH, I DO WANT TO SEE HOW WE'RE COORDINATING WITHIN THE
DIFFERENT COUNCIL DISTRICTS TO LOOK AT HOW WE LEVERAGE THESE PROPERTIES AND IF THEY ARE, IN FACT, -- WELL, I MEAN NO PLANNED USE. THAT CHANGES -- HOW OFTEN DO YOU EVALUATE THESE OR DO YOU? ONCE YOU THROW IT HERE, DOES IT JUST STAY HERE, OR DO WE LOOK AT IT? >> SHANNON: NO, I THINK -- I MEAN, WE LOOK AT THEM. WE'RE UPDATING IT MONTHLY. SOME OF THE PROPERTIES YOU'LL SEE ARE SO -- I CALL THEM A MICRO PROPERTY. THEY'RE SO SMALL THAT WE CAN SEE WHY THEY'RE GOING TO STAY ON OUR LIST FOR A WHILE AND NO ONE'S -- YOU KNOW, VOLUNTARILY GRABBING THEM UP. BUT THERE ARE A FEW THAT HAVE A DECENT SIZE THAT WE'RE MONITORING AND TRYING TO MARKET. SO IT'S AN ACTIVE PROCESS AND, AGAIN, MONTHLY IS WHAT WE DO TO UPDATE, MAKE SURE WE HAVE EVERYTHING. >> SPEARS: OKAY. >> SHANNON: I THINK A FEW OF THOSE PROPERTIES WE'RE REACHING OUT TO SEE IF SOMEONE WILL BUY IT SOON, SO... >> SPEARS: YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN. I WANT TO RAISE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR MY COLLEAGUES, IF YOU GUYS WOULD THINK ABOUT THIS FOR A SECOND, AND I'D LOVE TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS. BUT I THINK CURRENTLY WHEN WE SELL A PROPERTY, IT GOES BACK TO OUR GENERAL FUND. I'M WONDERING -- THAT WOULD PREVENT ME FROM WANTING TO SELL PROPERTY IN MY DISTRICT, AND I WOULD MUCH RATHER SEE IF WE SELL A VACANT PROPERTY, I'D RATHER SEE THAT FUNDING GO BACK TO THE DISTRICT TOWARD DOLLARS OR CIP OR SOMETHING THAT CAN BE UTILIZED WITHIN THE DISTRICT. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A POLICY CHANGE WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE, AND I'D -- I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANY -- I DON'T KNOW HOW SHALL WE DISCUSS THAT? I'M NOT MAKING A MOTION OR ANYTHING. >> I'M NOT GOING TO ENTER INTO YOUR CONVERSATION, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE SOMETIMES PROPERTY IS ACQUIRED WITH CERTAIN DOLLARS AND THERE ARE SOME REQUIREMENTS BEYOND THE GENERAL FUND THAT THOSE SOURCES ARE REPAID FIRST. AND SO I'M NOT TRYING TO STOP YOUR CONVERSATION, BUT I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT AS A PART OF YOUR THINKING, IF THERE'S AN INITIAL WAY IT WAS FUNDING THAT HAS TO BE RECREDITTED FIRST, THAT WOULD HAPPEN. SOMETIMES WITH FEDERAL GRANT DOLLARS, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: SURE, I GUESS. WHAT SAY YOU, MY COLLEAGUES. WE CAN DO POPCORN. >> MUNGIA: I DO LIKE THAT IDEA, ESPECIALLY -- IT'S SOMETHING I HAD THOUGHT ABOUT EARLIER, TOO, WAS SOME OF THAT PROPERTY, IF IT SOLD GOES BACK INTO A FUND THAT GOES TO MAINTENANCE OF FACILITIES THAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THEN. THAT COULD BE ANOTHER STREAM OF REVENUE OR IT CAN GO INTO LIKE THE DISTRICT PARK FUND, JUST GENERAL PARK IMPROVEMENTS IN OUR OWN COMMUNITIES IF WE HAVE THAT, SO THE OTHER THING I JUST KIND OF NOTICE OR WORRY A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, RIGHT, IS IF COUNCILWOMAN SPEARS HAS A PROPERTY AND GETS SOLD FOR A MILLION DOLLARS AND THEN SHE'S GOT ONE MORE MILLION DOLLARS THAN THE REST OF US HAVE IN OUR DISTRICTS TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS, YOU KNOW -- NO OFFENSE, BUT THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE -- YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT FOR ALL OF US. AND I THINK IT'S ALSO -- WHAT DISTRICTS HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY. THERE MIGHT BE A DISTRICT THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY SURPLUS PROPERTY THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO BE SOLD, SO -- BUT I THINK REPURPPURPOSING THAT MONEY INTO SOMETHING FOR THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT IS DEFINITELY WORTHWHILE VERSUS JUST INTO THE GENERAL FUND IS MY THOUGHTS. >> GAVITO: SP >> SPEARS: I LIKE COUNCILMAN MUNGIA'S POINT. I THINK THE DNP NEEDS MORE MONEY AND I THINK THAT'S A WISE WAY TO DO THAT. I THINK YOU'LL SEE IT CONSEN VAITED MORE IN OTHERS THAN OTHERS. BUT IN THE DNP, IT WILL BENEFIT EVERYONE AND NOT BE IN GENERAL FUND. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: I APPRECIATE THAT. WE'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT SOON ENOUGH. WE'LL FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE AND HOPEFULLY AS A COMMITTEE WE'LL GET TO SHAPE THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT ANY FURTHER COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM? WONDERFUL. THEN THE TIME IS NOW 10:55 A.M., THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. THIS MEETING I