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I just want to thank you for being here.

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Okay, good evening, ladies and gentlemen, I called the word of the meeting of the City Council

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of the Secretary of State of the Bureau of Elmanine and C. Housing Authority regular meeting for

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November 13, 2017, please rise and join me in the pledge of allegiance.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which

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it stands. Why do you say any other indivisible with liberty and justice for all?

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All right. Are there any changes to the order of agenda?

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None from staff this evening, Mr. Mayor.

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The dance, anybody want to change anything around?

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All right. Report from closed session, Mr. Rubens.

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Mr. Mayor, there's no report of closed session tonight. One of the items that you consider

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is on the public agenda later tonight.

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All right. Number five is presentations. We have some presentations this evening for

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proclamation to Ben Elliott. Aaron Litzonson.

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Thank you. And JD Paul, Boy Scout troop, 321, upon receiving their Eagle Scout Awards.

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So let me come down and get you gentlemen for it away.

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Good.

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We'll go. These are three of our finest.

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So you're our finest young men, all Eagle Scouts.

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They've all done various projects, and what I'm going to do is ask them to give their name

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what high school they go to.

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What year they are, and if for high school or college depending on what it is, and what their project was, so we'll start with you.

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Hi, my name is Aaron Lewis. I'm a senior at the San Francisco Mountain View, and my project was to build a new picnic area at our well-apark.

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Hi, I'm Ben O'Ae, I'm a senior at the Royal High School, and my project was to build an informational chaos for the native plans garden at Bernacos.

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Hi, my name is JD, and I go to Sequoia High School, and I'm a senior, and my project was building a lending library at a Royal School in their new garden.

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Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much.

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Thank you very much. Thank you.

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Again, like I said, that's how our community is. That's the young man that come in and do this great work.

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And I'm very honored to give those to you, gentlemen tonight.

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All right, next item is a six public comment.

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Persons wishing to address the city council on matters not on the posts that agenda.

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Is there anyone here wishing to speak on something that is not on the posts that agenda?

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All right, moving on.

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Number seven is consent calendar. These motions are usually done and are these item to usually go to on one motion.

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Is there anyone wishing to, we do have some speaker cards for seven else, so we're going to pull that off.

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Are there anyone else wishing to pull anything off the consent calendar?

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All right, I don't change a motion for everything, but seven else.

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Mr. Mayor, I'll move approval line in the seven A through K and M.

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Second.

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All right, moved in second. Any discussion?

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We have an ordinance.

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I'm going to read it.

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Okay.

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I apologize.

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And a dot ordinance number 1525 an ordinance of the city council of the city of San Carlos,

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amending title five business taxes, taxes, licenses and regulations title eight,

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health and safety and title 18 zoning of the San Carlos municipal code to regulate commercial

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cannabis activities within the city of San Carlos.

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All right, any further discussion?

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Roll call please.

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I'm sorry, I didn't catch the second.

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And the second.

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Yes.

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Councilmember Collins.

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Yes.

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Councilmember Goka.

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Yes.

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Councilmember Johnson.

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Yes.

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Councilmember Obert.

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Yes.

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I registered no on item.

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I.

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Thank you.

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And there goes silly.

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Yes.

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All right.

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Seven L was pulled off.

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Sometimes we put this at the end, but we're not going to do that tonight.

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We're going to discuss it right now.

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It has to do with plans and specifications for the same grants this way and

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be able to drive common project.

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So we have some speakers.

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I don't think we need to staff.

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Do you want to have a staff report or just go right to public comment?

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That'll be a pleasure of the mayor and so we can also see where the questions are.

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Mr. Hudson.

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Robert Hudson.

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Please step up.

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Yes, sir.

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Please.

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To this microphone.

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And you have two minutes, sir.

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Ask your question or whatever your comments are.

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Thanks.

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I represent a group of.

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The result is unbelievable drive and also the result is unbelievable drive and it's

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undergraduate and proposed traffic common project.

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We head met with the city engineer back in May and several residents had.

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Newsemos questions about the project so forth.

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And then we've earned ties of the funding for the project.

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So we weren't, we didn't receive any further communication on that.

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And in reviewing the agenda tonight, quite surprised to see it on the agenda.

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I'm not briefly with the city engineer that's afternoon, and I had a couple of questions,

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but I feel that the resident committee has several unanswered issues.

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And what I'm requesting is, can we hold that project and tell there's some interaction

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between the residents and the city engineer, as to what could be done.

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I'm concerned with the residents, it's a different safety home, Beverly Drive.

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Thank you for your comments.

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Michael James?

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Good evening.

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So I also live on Beverly Drive for Robert Smith, next door neighbor, and we've been

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engaged in a discussion with Department of Public Works over this issue, actually quite

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some number of months back ago, and last we heard the project was indefinitely deferred

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for lack of funding.

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There are parts of this project that we support, and also parts that we oppose, and we think

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that through more discussion, we might be able to come up with some kind of agreement, this

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work about to the neighborhood and the city more broadly, but I would encourage the council

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to please defer this issue for the time being until we can have such discussions.

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And I guess last I heard we had a email back in, and I think, June, the sort of substantiates

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all this.

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Thank you for your comments.

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Mr. Coe, or Mr. Coe, Joe Hugh Coe, KOH, my saying that writer, perhaps sir and another

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room.

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Do you remember, Chris?

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Well, we'll, if they come, here we go, come on up now, sorry, don't run, don't run, don't

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take your time.

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Relax.

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We have plenty of time today.

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Just take your time, and say what you'd like to say, please.

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Good evening, everyone.

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First of all, we would like to thank you for paying attention to the St. Carlos community, and spending

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time and effort in calming the traffic of our street.

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I echo what Michael James said, and Robert, before him, that we need more time to kind of discuss

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as a community.

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We really love that coffee, take the time to listen to all of us.

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We're in a middle of the discussion, I think we've come very close to coming together and making

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sure that it's a small street that we have and say for everyone.

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So, thank you.

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Thank you for your comments.

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Mr. City Manager, this issue is just brought to my attention to afternoon, so I don't have

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details as to what specifically they're talking about.

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It is obviously very late in the process.

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This has already been to the Council of the Council's already approved the plans and specs.

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We do have bids, and as you know, the last time we bid the project, it came in at more than twice

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the engineers estimate, and so the Council chose not to proceed with awarding a contract at that

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time and gave us direction to go back out to bid when we thought we'd get more favorable responses

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from contractors.

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That's what we've done.

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The bid we have is very close to the engineers estimate now.

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It's good for 60 days.

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So we could push this off one more meeting, and the Council would have to take action at

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their next meeting, or risk having the bid expire.

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What was it, gentlemen?

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What do you want to do?

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The chair?

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Yes.

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Personally, I don't quite know what the issue is, but I wouldn't mind deferring this to the next meeting

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for the opportunity for staff to come back and explore this a little more with the residents

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and then put it back to us.

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Okay.

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My question for Jeff this.

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Are there some things that we can do in the interim?

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Are there, you know, they said that there were some things that they were happy to see happen?

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Or is it sort of an all or nothing?

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I'm trying to construct.

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Well, the item on the agenda for you tonight is all or nothing.

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You're awarding the bid of the project as it's been designed or not.

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So beyond that, I can't really speak to it because I'm not sure what the specific issues are that

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have been discussed between the community and the public or director.

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Thanks.

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Mr. Johnson?

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So just for my clarification, we're talking about the speed bumps on St. Francis's.

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Is that right?

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Oh, Beverly Drive.

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Beverly Drive.

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Well, it's all one project.

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It's all one project.

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It's all one project.

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It's a project that's come.

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But Beverly's definitely.

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Yeah.

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I mean, from my perspective, like if my colleagues want to wait until the next meeting, that's okay.

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I think that we debated this.

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There were some people that weren't happy with the outcome of the debate, but most of the people

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on the street were.

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So I would be okay proceeding with the project as it is given that there's a lot of people

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on that street who have been waiting a long time for traffic calming.

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Is that okay?

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I don't know why, but on the night that we discussed it, it seems to me all the commentary we got from

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residents were people from St. Francis's.

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Right.

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Not in Beverly's.

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Right.

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I have no problem with delaying it if it doesn't hurt things.

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I don't know.

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I don't know if it folks from Beverly did.

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Do we need a motion for that, Mr. Rubens?

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You would have a motion to continue the item to the next meeting.

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I'll continue until next week.

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I'd move.

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We continue the item to the next meeting.

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Second.

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All right.

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Move in second.

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Any further discussion?

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Hearing none.

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Will call please.

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Councilmember Collins.

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Yes.

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Councilmember Johnson.

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Yes.

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Councilmember Oratt.

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Yes.

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All right.

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So we'll hear that on the C-20-7th.

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Okay.

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The next item is item eight.

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Move in.

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governance.

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Go that.

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Ett five eight eight.

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Go that.

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The next.

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GShould of a- Wish that it's.

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To the this.

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For any amount of.

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What spreads?

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To get water content.

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To the next.

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White collect.

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Second thing.

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accountability.

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We keep the paper in hot.

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ford.

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This is some additional ideas.

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Second.

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excuse me, whatever they want to do. After those two things occur, the council will then ask questions of staff or

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perhaps the applicant, and after that, then we'll have public comment. After that, then we'll vote on what we're going to do.

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Is there any understanding of the process? Okay, so we all know we're coming into. All right. Thank you.

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I'll say this probably 5,000 more times, but really appreciate if everybody could be respectful.

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If things appear that you may agree with, be things perhaps you don't agree with, but this is in a football game.

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This is a legal proceeding, so we want to make sure everybody's respectful of everybody's viewpoint.

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And believe me, I'll remind all the speakers of that same thing when they come up for public comment and in the other areas.

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So thank you very much. And staff, we have a staff report.

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Okay.

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It's fairly brief, Mr. Mayor. Good evening. Mayor members of the City Council in the community. My name's Jeff Malpe.

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I'm the City Manager here in St. Carlos. It is absolutely outstanding to see so many members of our community here this evening.

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We love a full house. We love it when our community comes out to talk with us about how they feel about the issues here in their community.

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Regardless of your points of view, as the Mayor said, we hope that everybody will remain respectful and supportive in

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the tradition of our community and our civic life here at City Hall.

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I'm presenting this evening to the City Council and urgency ordinance to consider imposing a 45 day moratorium on retail establishment,

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selling ammunition and firearms here in St. Carlos.

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At the last City Council meeting, the City Council directed staff to prepare this item for tonight's agenda and passage of this particular item requires a 45th vote of the City Council.

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For decades here in St. Carlos, land use laws have allowed for retail sales of ammunition and firearms in accordance with state and federal laws.

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In any area of the city that allows retail sales, there are no existing local conditions regulating these types of sales currently in St. Carlos.

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It is important to note, however, that the Second Amendment, as it's been interpreted by the Supreme Court in a number of cases,

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specifically allow for land use regulations within the typical zoning laws of a community.

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When should the Council adopt this ordinance tonight, it will immediately prohibit such sales until either the moratorium expires or new regulations are put in place by the City Council.

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St. Carlos has used moratoriums on numerous occasions in the past for business and residential purposes.

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This is a moratorium and urgency ordinances is a typical land use zoning tool that has been used not only in this community, but communities all across the state of California for decades.

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We've used it here for issues such as dollar stores, lots splits in residential areas, massage parlour, regulation changes, change store ordinances, and numerous other business related regulatory activities that the City Council has put regulations in place on.

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Other communities in our neck of the woods such as Las Gatos or Boulder Creek or Santa Cruz County have in recent years used moratoriums as a tool to study local zoning regulations related to retail sales of ammunition and firearms.

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A moratorium is essentially like calling a timeout.

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It allows the community's elected officials staff and community the opportunity to take a step back and research all the possible regulatory options available to the community.

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And the time necessary to engage residents and businesses in an open and transparent dialogue about the types of regulations that best are best suited for their community.

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Should the moratorium be put into effect the staff will seek to retain an expert in this unique and specific area of land use regulation to ensure all possible alternatives are explored and presented to the City Council in the community.

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It's important here to also note that should this pass tonight the staff will be coming back at your next council meeting on November 27 with an extension.

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As I said earlier, law requires that any initial moratorium put in place by the City Council be in effect for only 45 days.

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It's not going to be enough time. As this is a land use issue, it's required by law to go to the planning commission, before it comes back to the city council.

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As I said earlier, we'll need to hire an expert to help navigate through the regulatory environment here. And in

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St. Carlos tradition, we'll want to have a number of steady sessions and community meetings prior to this going to the planning commission for any potential vote.

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Given the holidays and where we're at on the calendar for council this year, it's just not going to be possible to get this done in 45 days. So we'd be coming back.

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The way the law works in this regard is we can come back within the 45 days for an up to 10 month and 15 day extension that brings the total to one year.

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And then in the future the city council could consider another up to one year extension.

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So there's two years that potentially a moratorium could be in effect while this is being studied. During that time the staff would need to show and demonstrate all the steps that we'd be going through.

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I highlighted a few earlier as you know you've been through this process before.

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There are quite a few steps that we go through and engage in the community and looking at any decoration of any new land use regulations.

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I've heard from hundreds if not thousands of residents in the last few weeks on this particular issue.

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They've reached out to the city and asked in all sincerity for this particular moratorium to be put into effect on this issue.

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So the community may have the time necessary to make thoughtful informed decisions about their communities, land use policies regarding gun and ammunition sales.

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No different than many other communities in terms of how they've approached sensitive land use issues on this and other subjects.

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As such I would recommend that the city council adopt the urgency ordinance before you the evening.

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And we'll be happy to answer any questions that we're able to this evening.

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I also want to wait until we have the sheriff presentation and just ask one set of questions or do you want to start now.

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I'd rather wait and wait till we get in that we can ask both sides of both folks.

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So from the folks from Turner are you folks ready?

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Do you have an estimate of approximately how long your presentation is?

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Okay, that's great. Thank you very much.

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Thank you for hearing us today and my name is Rob Ziveck.

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I'm the vice president of sales and operations.

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I would say I'm the one who got us into all this because I was in the area and I realized it's such a great area.

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When you drive around and look at all the Bay Area for fishing all the lakes and that you realize while this is an outdoor paradise up here.

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And we have 21 stores right now based out of Southern California and what I want to do first is fill you in on who we are.

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So we've opened in 1971.

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We started as a company selling rods and rails out of one store in Long Beach.

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We opened the second store in 1975 in recita.

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That store is recita is a part of LA city.

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That store is still open today.

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It's been open over 40 years in the city of LA.

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We have over 500 employees while providing 401k healthcare and vacation benefits and employees.

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We have employees that range from college freshmen in part time work to retire veterans looking for something to do in their free time.

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This location would provide 25 jobs and five management positions in your community.

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We also sign up more people for California 180 course than any other dealer in the state.

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We offer firearms training through local ranges at every store.

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So along with that, I wanted to know who I am.

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I started here in 2018 and a freshman in college.

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I continued to walk in school and I eventually joined the Army Reserve in that time.

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After that time I became a manager and eventually moved on to this position.

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I've been here now 27 years.

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Bill's been with us 26 years.

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I have three daughters.

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I'm a soccer dad.

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I've coached probably 20 girls soccer teams in my community.

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I personally feel safer taking my children into our stores than I would go into an ATM or a convenience store or gas station.

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Our stores are not unsafe to be in.

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Turners in the community.

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So it was very convenient that the boys' culture here today because as you I don't know if you know they all had patches.

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Some of those patches were patches for.

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If you can move more to the microphone and just speak to us to be great.

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That's all right.

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Just want to get it on the record.

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So some of their patches on there are for shooting events.

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So we take part in multiple lengths.

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We like to be part of the community.

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We offer a youth safari day that we do in.

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In with the safari club of Orange County where over 5,000 kids get the experience.

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Paintball, kayaking, all types of different out there event.

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We sponsor youth fishing days at the park.

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Local park lakes.

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We do youth fishing trips on boats.

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And I think the majority of the prepidation involving us coming here is that.

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You don't know who we are in six months.

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I honestly think you'll fall in one or three camps.

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You'll fall in.

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You'll forget the orphan there because we don't.

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We don't do anything negative to the community.

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Two, you'll find us at a public event and think, well, they actually are.

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We actually actually kind of do like them a little bit being here.

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Or three, you might actually find yourself shopping at our location.

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So that's it for me.

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Thank you for hearing me.

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Thank you Rob.

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Good evening.

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My name is Bill Ortiz.

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I'm vice president of compliance for turners outdoorsman.

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I think for mayor.

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The vice mayor and the council for hearing this tonight.

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As you guys consider this more to Torham.

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On retail establishments that also sell firearms around the nation.

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We vigorously oppose the military.

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I'm outright because we believe the conclusion of a hastily prepared staff report.

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Siding.

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I'm going to quote and read this.

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At immediate threat to the public peace, health welfare safety.

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Specifically, including possible permit damage to the city's aesthetic health, safety and economic interest.

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A rising from the potential new retail firearms uses.

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To be without merit.

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To the opening of a new turners outdoorsman store.

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The report site's extensive public comments.

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Siding concerns from the less than 12 people.

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Who offered comments.

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It doesn't establish any side of references.

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Or facts that a sporting goods store.

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Which also sells firearms.

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Would create such a threat as coined by those speakers.

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The authentic total in some cases in correct statements offered by those speakers.

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Do not establish that urgency.

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Instead, the staff report includes a publication from the California Department of Justice.

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That actually establishes what California dealers and gun owners must do in order to obtain

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and sell firearms.

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The staff report sites actually by other cities that was mentioned earlier.

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Those were done in and of themselves.

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Not necessarily as a reaction to hate.

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We need to do this here in the city of San Carlos because other cities have done so.

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A moratorium, if I can really go down on that, is different.

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Then the residents coming to council and saying, hey, we'd like to do something about how we handle firearms retail

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establishments.

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There's a distinction between the two.

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The biggest crux of tonight is the urgency clause.

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Is there truly urgency based on what we're going to tell you about Turner's outdoorsmen?

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We think there's some legal ten of our argument there that urgency is not required.

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Notwithstanding that the public itself is expressed to you and we understand that there are some needs for oversight

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perhaps from the local community.

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Similarly, the report compiled in 21 days again does nothing to establish a factual basis.

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We've been in business in 1971.

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We operate 21 retail stores and a distribution center in Southern California.

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We recently opened a store in Palm, or I'm sorry, in Salinas on Tuesday with City Council approval.

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We are going to open another store in Palmdale within the next week, also after City Council approval.

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Each is licensed and operates under the authority of the federal Bureau of Alcohol

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to Backland Firearms and under the auspices of the California Department of Justice.

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The state of California, as you know, is imposed the strictest rules in the country with regards to the selling

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and ownership of firearms.

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We faithfully follow those laws as well as those mandated by federal law, both California,

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or both California, DOJ and federal law.

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Some of which overlap and some of which are exclusive to those particular agencies.

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We undergo regular audits by both of those agencies and we face no adverse action,

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contrary to being an immediate public threat where the opposite.

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We've participated for decades as a dealer's stakeholder with California, DOJ.

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I was up in Sacramento two weeks ago, where we spoke with DOJ staff about the upcoming

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campaign, ammo, merchandising, sales, purchase requirements, and registration that will come up

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in 2019.

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That's the partnership we have with Cal DOJ.

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A relationship with the Los Angeles Division of ATF is equally strong.

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We participate in training seminars with ATF as well as a factor we interact with them

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on every basis, ensuring that we are 100% compliance offering our feedback on what they can do for us

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in order to make sure we maintain the compliance.

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We maintain strong lines of communication with ATF along other subjects.

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Straw sale deterrence is one of the backbone of what we do.

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We do not exist in this industry if we don't follow the law.

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We don't think morally and ethically we belong to this industry.

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If we don't take time to share with local law enforcement or federal law enforcement,

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if there's something that doesn't seem right to us.

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We value the public safety.

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Our employees work in these communities in which we have stores.

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The last thing we would do is in danger of that staff or own employees by recklessly

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value in the dollar more than we would the rule of law.

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We've worked with ATF when requested in criminal investigations reloaded, related to straw sale attempts.

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We have also been rewarded once or twice with comments by ATF that some of the paperwork that we require

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over and above the standard required federal estate paperwork has effectively allowed them to

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prosecute straw sale purchases.

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We need to define straw.

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Some folks may not understand what that is.

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The first straw purchase is when somebody comes in and looks like they are lawfully

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purchasing a firearm for themselves expressed or staff that that is the case.

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I received an email at least once or twice a week that I passed along to either local law enforcement

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or to the ATF about a person who is persistent in attempting to buy a firearm in behalf of somebody else.

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We will reward it by the National Shooting Sports Foundation four years ago for being a model

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dealer with respect to prevention and straw purchases.

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As noted in the California DOJ document that was in the staff report, sporting goods dealers could also

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turn around and administer the legal required firearm safety certificate to California gun

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owners before you buy a firearm in California.

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You must demonstrate that you have basic safety knowledge.

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Turners outdoorsman does that.

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Turners outdoorsman offers services to buyers along the lines of the safe handling demonstration.

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Again, these things are not adverse to public safety.

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In fact, the enhanced public safety.

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We also sell used, of course, hand firearms, consignment firearms.

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Without the services of a dealer, those sales might just go on without a background

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check.

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We are licensed on top of the California DOJ, CFD, the central firearms dealer listing,

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and the federal firearms license.

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We are also licensed a second hand dealer.

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We report every single firearm that comes to us.

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That allows California DOJ and law enforcement to ensure that the gun is not stolen.

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Nobody is pedaling and used guns that are stolen.

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Again, we provide a service that is not adverse to public safety.

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It enhances it.

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Unlike in other states, people often talk about an exemption to private party sales

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that doesn't exist in California.

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All private party sales must be broken through a firearms dealer.

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Because turners outdoorsman is open more hours than many shops around.

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We actually offer, again, a service beyond whether dealers may be able to do.

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We understand we all work from six to five for some combination of that long days.

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You don't have time in the evening, perhaps to get to a dealer that is already closed.

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You can come into a turners outdoorsman and legally broker that sale.

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There is a background check done on the buyer.

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The gun is stored for ten days.

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That gun is also a check to make sure that it is not stolen.

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Some of the long, weird part of California law is that if you are a long firearms firearm dealer,

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such as a Dixer Big Five, you do not have to handle handgun for other party transfers.

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Turns out that does not have to handle those because we do handle firearms.

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And we often find that it goes beyond the local area where that is a public benefit.

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Because if we look through the peninsula, there are plenty of big box retailers that only sell long guns.

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They do not broker handgun private party transfers.

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Again, without that, we would like to think that the public at large does the right thing.

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But perhaps somebody speaking with their neighbor feels comfortable enough not to go to a dealer.

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That is a breach of the law.

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And as we all know, that can also result in some unwanted consequences.

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Again, I'm going to repeat it.

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That is a larger public service.

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00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,000
And that is not contrary to the public interest.

472
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:17,000
And it doesn't serve the statement that there is an urgency clause that opening a Turner's Act

473
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:21,000
Doorsman is going to result in some adverse effect on the public, a large.

474
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:26,000
As described in the California DOJ document, there was included in a staff report.

475
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:30,000
California gun purchasers are required to buy firearms safety devices.

476
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:34,000
They are also required by law to keep the firearms locked up to prevent access.

477
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,000
From those who can't have them particularly children.

478
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:42,000
And even though a lot of manufacturers do include those devices with their firearms,

479
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:46,000
we sell nearly $2 million a year, additionally over and above that,

480
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:50,000
and saves locking cabinets and firearms safety devices.

481
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,000
Again, our selection is larger than the big box stores.

482
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:57,000
It is sometimes larger than smaller sporting good shops.

483
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,000
It is again another asset to the community.

484
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,700
We don't go into this offering very little. That is one of the largest tenets. If you have the

485
00:45:04,700 --> 00:45:09,280
fire, I mean, must on a response way, locking it up and keeping access away from those who

486
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:14,040
cannot possess firearms and or children's paramount. Not described in the California

487
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:19,560
DOJ document. Also, our situations where California DOJ cannot assess somebody's eligibility

488
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:23,680
completely within the ten-day waiting period. What happens in that situation is that

489
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:29,520
firearms purchase will be delayed for up to 30 days. And that time it gives California DOJ more

490
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:34,480
time to properly assess somebody's eligibility. Not known by too many people at the end of that

491
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:40,160
30-day period. Cal DOJ will look and run another check. If that check is inconclusive,

492
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:49,200
California law allows the firearms dealer to release the gun. Without a conclusive outcome. California

493
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:56,360
dealers may elect to release that gun. They may elect to hold that gun and not release it. There

494
00:45:56,360 --> 00:46:00,760
are no stats on how many dealers do either a method. It turns out doorsman does not release

495
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:06,200
a gun to a customer where it is inconclusive if that person is eligible or not. We take again

496
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:10,800
the high road that we'd rather see public safety, bid for it too, or at least considered. That

497
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:15,480
custom we can seek due process with California Department of Justice. They can seek due process

498
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:21,480
with an attorney if that's needed. They can ultimately be cleared. In some cases, for that

499
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:26,200
was up. Again, we defer to the water and we do not release that gun out of the interest of public

500
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:31,160
safety. That is not something unique here for St. Carlos. That has been our public policy for

501
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:40,360
Guadalupe. Some of the comments that were shared with us had to do with physical safety and security

502
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:45,560
of firearms within the firearms business. Amongst the mandates that we adhere to are the minimum required

503
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:51,080
by state law in order to secure firearms. And I say we adhere to the minimum because we're

504
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:56,240
California and DOJ compliant. We exceed those requirements by adding still anchored concrete

505
00:46:56,240 --> 00:47:02,160
dollars in front of our stores. We do not want the vehicle intrusion. We utilize a smash, proof,

506
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:10,640
steel, storage case, just plain firearms. We have at least 32 closed circuit TV cameras and

507
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:17,960
a 24-7 alarm system. Both of which can be monitored by any device. We all carry iPads

508
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:22,400
and toll phones on us. We can view our stores at any particular point in time. That has become

509
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:27,680
important tool for us to analyze and see if we've got any situation beyond what we already

510
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:33,840
do in security that we want to address. Long guns are secured using steel cables and firearms

511
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:39,840
not secured in those display cases are secured by steel cables. Courage stored in a limited access

512
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:49,240
safe firearms room. Of note, our physical security requirements would have met Senator

513
00:47:49,240 --> 00:47:55,800
Jerry Hills SP464, a bill that was passed this year by the assembly in the Senate that would

514
00:47:55,800 --> 00:48:00,600
have raised the bar from that state DOJ minimum. There would have been minimal impact of turners

515
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:06,080
that doorsmen because we already had everything in place that the Senator thought gun shop should

516
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:13,800
have. Again, I hate to be for that horse, but it is not adverse to public safety. When

517
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:19,080
we went to the planning process, we provided security details to planning staff and to chief

518
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:23,920
office. We didn't get anything in the way of feedback relative to any other concerns or something

519
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,520
else that they thought we should do. Being that our employees were paramount to the

520
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:32,040
access of our company, we dedicated a law enforcement that each one of our corporate managers

521
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:39,120
meetings to compliance training. We utilize internal external training, including again NSSF,

522
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:45,000
ATF, DOJ, and in some cases local police departments, if there is a specific issue that we

523
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:48,880
need to address. We are up mentioned earlier that we have been in the city of Los Angeles for

524
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:54,160
40 years. There is not another gun dealer in the city of Los Angeles. We are the only gun dealer

525
00:48:54,160 --> 00:49:01,560
beyond what California law has done. The city of LA has taken steps at times to make it more difficult

526
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:06,120
for people who do not comply at our level to do business in the city. We continue to do business

527
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:11,680
in the city because we are ultimately compliance. Well, all of the turners and employees undergo

528
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:17,320
a pre-employment background screening. Most of our firearms staff are DOJ certified instructors,

529
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:22,200
which means they also have a California DOJ issue certificate of eligibility. A certificate

530
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:28,680
of eligibility is a 24-7 watch on that employee. Should that person become ineligible to be around

531
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:35,640
firearms or ammunition, that employee would be no longer working with us? An employee that is

532
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:41,160
well trained and well-compliant is really an asset to the community because they can prevent

533
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:45,960
stress the hills. They can prevent the wrong people from even seen or handling a gun. They

534
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:50,760
can give us intelligence that we can share with local law enforcement. And moreover, because we

535
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:55,560
know that they are checked by DOJ, they themselves are not a problem. They are not ineligible

536
00:49:55,560 --> 00:50:01,000
to be around firearms. One of the things that's also unique to smaller sporting goods companies

537
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:06,520
is that we employ up to three full-time people with one job. They work for me as a compliance gun

538
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:11,720
desk. Their entire job is to review every bit of paperwork that we do to ensure that we have been

539
00:50:11,720 --> 00:50:18,680
100% compliance. If we find that somebody has an issue, we reach out to that respective agency,

540
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:23,560
see how we need to remedy that. And if somebody is persistent and not necessarily meeting those

541
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:31,720
aims, again, that person may not be working for us anymore. We initiated least discussions with

542
00:50:31,720 --> 00:50:37,080
the building owner here in San Carlos after researching local zoning requirements receiving emails from

543
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:42,600
city staff who concurred, as was mentioned earlier by staff, that this was a legal, retail use,

544
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:47,720
in that particular section along a industrial road. Talking a bit, November opening date,

545
00:50:47,720 --> 00:50:52,760
we also inquired the need for any other permits or processes. Again, I'm going to distinguish

546
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:57,720
the difference between Waratorium and some type of existing due process that might be in place.

547
00:50:57,720 --> 00:51:02,600
I mentioned that we had moved forward on Palmdale and they have a very specific well outlined process

548
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:08,040
in which we were to go through the same thing for Salinas. That's not different for us. It wasn't

549
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:13,720
discussed here up front. It wasn't something that was in place up front. And again, coming back to the

550
00:51:13,720 --> 00:51:18,040
Waratorium, it doesn't establish the urgency that anything we've done to this point, anything that we

551
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:24,360
shared with staff at this point would be addressed to you having the store open. Afterwards, we met

552
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:28,680
with Mr. Savay and his staff, wherein we discussed the staff's necessary to submit building plans.

553
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:37,320
Again, no indication that we wouldn't be able to proceed as we plan. The suggestion was made that we

554
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:42,360
meet with Chief Rothers to review security plans being paramount to the city. We understood and so any

555
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:47,720
other questions or concerns they might have, we did so. And as we mentioned above the meeting was

556
00:51:47,720 --> 00:51:51,960
quick, there was nothing to note with regards to safety security issues. By the chief of office,

557
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:57,240
North Sergeant Bennett, who was basically, I want to say, signed to us. That was referred to as

558
00:51:57,240 --> 00:52:02,600
the person to be a main contact. We love having that contact with senior law enforcement and local

559
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:07,560
basis because it allows us to share intelligence and to get direction and get feedback with regards to

560
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:13,320
public safety. Delaying the opening of the store for 45 days or a year up to two years will harm

561
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:19,000
the building owner. Turner's endorsement, the 25 employees that we would hire locally, and the

562
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:25,000
city, not only in tax revenue and resident employment, but potentially in some type of settlement

563
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:30,360
should the more toy and extension be approved. Since it's somewhat debatable if the city is established

564
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:35,960
that emergency is claimed in the staff report. At this point, we've invested over $125,000 in the

565
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:40,840
location. And until October 24th, the day we were told by staff to cease demolition or build out,

566
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:46,440
we did so without any indication we'd be unable to pursue the store's completion. As it can be

567
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:52,280
expected, a senior lease has valued in a seven-digit range. That's the least we signed with everything

568
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:57,480
that we saw being a green light to proceed. We would not go down that road and not be in that

569
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:01,960
lease, had we known that there would be something that would be changing or if we'd been told the

570
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:08,920
front that there would be some adverse obstacle to us opening the store. Additionally, the city would

571
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:12,600
bear the cost of hundreds of hours needed to draft a word and set with address zoning and

572
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:18,760
add local oversight. In California, the farmers often be used obstructively. Zoning has not been

573
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:24,200
necessarily around sensitive areas. It's been more to obstruct and to all but eliminate certain

574
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:31,080
types of refill shots. We understand that you recently examined cannabis, or federally regulated.

575
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:36,360
We understand the differences in city's setting community standards relative to what they might

576
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:40,200
want to do, but there's a difference again in the more touring that obstructs, or zoning that

577
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:45,960
destruction of process is ongoing. We've seen a latter also only places additional burden on cities

578
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:52,840
trying to duplicate ATF or DOJ oversight. We love the cities that we work in, ultimately they often

579
00:53:52,840 --> 00:54:00,280
defer to us because we have more interaction with Cal DOJ and ATF and it is very tough for them to place

580
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:05,960
enough resources to do the job and duplicate what ATF and DOJ does. There are studies that have

581
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:10,200
some cities have done that have confirmed that there's no evaluation of property values in

582
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:14,600
your sporting goods firearm dealers. Nor is there a direct line of causation between the same

583
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:20,920
in crimes committed with firearms nearby. Buffers owns have seemed to be around sensitive areas

584
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:26,760
that have been arbitrary ranging from 200 feet to 1000 feet. There is no standard because there's

585
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:32,840
not direct causation. We understand there are sensitive areas, but it is often a struggle for a city to

586
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:36,920
come with one that makes sense that they can turn around and rationally say this is concrete,

587
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:41,080
to substantial, and it should be at this particular distance. To some of us more at touring,

588
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:46,040
we seem to be a localized discussion of constitutional rights versus gun control, and the post-Heller

589
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:52,040
versus Washington D.C. or Chicago versus McDonald. It was noted before that there were comments

590
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:57,960
at each one of those cases with regards to zoning. I'd differ slightly that in McDonald versus

591
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:03,960
Chicago actually prevented Washington D.C. from banning gun shops out right, or using a zoning

592
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:09,400
method in which there would be no gun shops. That case has been tried again in what is basically

593
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:13,960
called the Heller versus D.C. or Heller II, and they've established the same plan.

594
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:18,200
Mr. Ortiz, you're almost done, right? I'm going to wrap this up, sir. Thank you very much.

595
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:23,080
Okay, there's going to be a fiscal commentary, study, and horrific tragedy, demonizing gun

596
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,720
owners and all firearm dealers regardless of the product next and intentionally misusing terms

597
00:55:27,720 --> 00:55:33,160
such as assault weapon, type or easy to obtain. We don't sell assault weapons, and as you can

598
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:38,440
see by the document that was added to staff, it's not exactly easy to obtain a firearm in California.

599
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:46,760
As we walked through the city, visited shop and dying in the city. We've noticed that it is in

600
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:52,680
D.C., law and science and multiple languages reminding visitors that all are welcome, resonate clearly.

601
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:57,640
St. Carlos is a welcoming committee where pre-judging has no place, where the rule of law applies,

602
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:04,440
and is not manipulated in such a manner to discriminate. Commonly litigated legal tennis

603
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:09,000
required the facility act with fairness and equity. Yet, this considered more of Torium

604
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:13,400
seems to be at odds with the standard that seems so well rooted in the city. We understand the need

605
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:18,440
for the public to be heard and be informed. We've already overcome concerns based on the compliant

606
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:23,160
operational and professional, personal strength with an organization. We've understand that

607
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:26,600
you've heard and will hear citizens and express their feelings in an emotional, heartfelt,

608
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:31,560
ingenuine manner. However, we respectfully ask that you reject the moratorium because again,

609
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:36,200
the legal basis for urgency has not been established. Doing so does not harm the city. It

610
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:40,440
actually strengthens us that fair, honest, and equitable local resolve that it's a backbone.

611
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:43,480
Thank you. Thank you, sir. T's very much.

612
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:49,800
All right, gentlemen. Questions for folks, Mr. Albert?

613
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:55,320
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you, staff, and Turner representatives.

614
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:02,760
I've got a series of questions here. Let me start with the ones that I think fall onto the staff

615
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:06,040
headache. So, Jeff, I'm going to address them to you, and you can put them to wherever you want.

616
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:12,280
We're all of the necessary permits for the store or any with the net necessary

617
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:16,680
permits for the store or granted by the city. Up to this point, including the demolition

618
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:20,280
permit. No, I don't believe any permits have been issued.

619
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:25,560
Just to have a curiosity, is a demolition permit necessary to do demolition work?

620
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:28,200
Mind your standing as it is. Interesting.

621
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:38,200
The moving sort of beyond the issuance of permits, there was reference made to substantial

622
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:41,960
discussions with city staff members about the opening of the store.

623
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:48,760
To your knowledge, was there any, I don't know how to describe this unofficial,

624
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:52,680
everything looks great, paperwork to follow, kind of communication.

625
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:55,160
No, not that I'm aware of.

626
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:02,760
And specifically, as regards the security arrangements, I know that there were discussions with

627
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:08,440
Chief Rothhaus about the security arrangements. Do you know if, if he ever signed off on it,

628
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:12,520
or specified what he wanted to have done in order to be able to sign off on it?

629
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:18,120
Yeah, my understanding is the review process for the tenant improvement application,

630
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:23,240
including the discussions about security measures that the store were never completed.

631
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:27,720
In fact, you know, I think one important word was, was,

632
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:33,480
we use in the presentation just a moment ago, and that was requested. This staff requested that.

633
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:39,240
And that's what it was. There's nothing in the code that requires the chief to sign off on anything right now.

634
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:47,640
All right. And turning to Turner, I'm not sure what you gentlemen should respond to this. I'll leave it up to you.

635
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:53,400
Several people in San Carlos had brought to my attention something, which I'm just going to read

636
00:58:53,400 --> 00:59:00,920
two brief paragraphs here from San Diego, NBC News affiliate after the San Bernardino massacre.

637
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:06,840
Suspected shooters, I'm going to pass this wrong. So I add, Rizwin, for Rook, bought a nine-millimeter

638
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:11,800
Smith and Western Pistol. This will turn around doors and store in San Diego. Officials with the

639
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:17,000
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives confirmed. And acquaintance purchased another

640
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:22,920
.223 caliber DPMS rifle at the same store, presumably Turner's, on for Rook's behalf.

641
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:30,520
Further down, according to the ATF, for Rook, also bought a Lama 9-millimeter pistol at an

642
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:36,840
Annie's Get Your Guns store and the acquaintance got a 5.56 caliber rifle at another Turner's

643
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:41,560
outdoorsman's store in Corona, California. It does say all the guns were purchased legally.

644
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:43,560
I just would like to know if you have any comments on that.

645
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:47,960
I do, as I mentioned earlier, California law and federal law,

646
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:53,720
outlaw, the store purchases made by one person on behalf of another.

647
00:59:55,160 --> 01:00:00,040
We detect very many attempts and what I say very

648
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:05,000
And then the number of people attempt to buy on behalf of somebody else's relatively small.

649
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:11,000
We have a long standing policy. We work extensively, again, as I mentioned with local law enforcement.

650
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:20,000
One of those tenants is we do not discuss their request for information, or any of the cases that they may be working on.

651
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:25,000
That is absolutely adverse when you have international terrorism.

652
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:31,000
When you have people making strong purchases, and these cases in some, for respect or somewhat outstanding,

653
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:35,000
we will be completely open 100 percent cooperative with them.

654
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:37,000
We do not discuss this with the public.

655
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:41,000
I have to, then, I don't quite understand the answer.

656
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:47,000
So are you telling me basically that you're not going to comment on the schedule and you're not going to comment on the schedule and you're not going to comment on the schedule?

657
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,000
Okay, that's fair. Thank you. Thank you.

658
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:50,000
Thank you.

659
01:00:50,000 --> 01:01:00,000
Thank you Mr. Mayor. I think this may be for Mr. Zubak.

660
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:05,000
Real simple question, how did you come to choose us?

661
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:14,000
I mean, there's 20 cities in San Mateo County. Why us? You come on up because I've got a few others.

662
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:18,000
How did we come become so special?

663
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:26,000
So to be honest, we were looking at expanding north, and, like I said earlier, it's a great outdoor area.

664
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:32,000
This tons of stuff to do, and I went with our real estate agent, and we can't decide, I probably know,

665
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:37,000
I know these freeways, almost as good as I know the freeways inside the California now, I've driven them so much.

666
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:43,000
So if we just, this space was available for rent, it was in our price range.

667
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:54,000
When we look at a space, we always take into consideration where it's at, and anything that's local to it, and it fit all our criteria, and we went forward with it.

668
01:01:54,000 --> 01:02:03,000
Well, I love this county too, because I lived in my entire life, but I don't know if you realize that we have a lot of open space.

669
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:11,000
75% of the land in San Mateo County, you see, they're open space, which I believe for a bit of something, or agriculture.

670
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:23,000
You know, the other 25% is houses on it. So I don't know, you know, I understand the attractiveness of it, but I don't, maybe I'm wrong, but I don't envision us as a hunting paradise.

671
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:26,000
So I'm just, that was one of the questions I wanted to ask.

672
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:29,000
I think you'd be surprised how many of you are residents.

673
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:34,000
I see a lot of hires, I don't get, you know, my friends that are hires.

674
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:47,000
My other question is, you know, Mr. Ortiz mentioned the safety standards you have in place. How long of those safety standards been in place?

675
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:58,000
Every, every year, we're constantly upgrading. So this, this store will be the probably last five years to this standard.

676
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,000
Sure. Sure, of course.

677
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:05,000
Alex and Showcases that I mentioned earlier have been in place since 2001.

678
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:09,000
The ballers have been in place in most of our stores.

679
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:14,000
As you may understand, sometimes there's an aesthetic in cities with regards to placing those in.

680
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:17,000
Sometimes cities more than a welcome and we'll sign off quickly.

681
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:23,000
In some cases cities have been a little, the master's of in terms of their deliberation to get that in place.

682
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:32,000
Locking long guns, having a safe secure room, that has been in place for probably, I'd say, the last 15 to 17 years.

683
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:37,000
As Rob mentioned, no different than with your home security within businesses within the city.

684
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:43,000
If something has been overcome at some point in time, we will opt the ante and take it to the next level with the best security plan we can come up with.

685
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:49,000
What we've expressed tonight, well, while in excess of California DOJ standards and in excess of Senator Bill's field.

686
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:57,000
Our Senator Hills bill may actually be up to again, provided we can recognize a weakness or something we need to do stronger.

687
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,000
Okay. Thank you.

688
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:03,000
You mentioned that you don't sell assault weapons.

689
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:10,000
I have to convince, I don't know what the definition of an assault weapon is, so maybe one of you could describe that to me.

690
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:17,000
I sure will. In fact, the assault weapon is whatever California law has dictated on three occasions what a assault weapon is.

691
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:23,000
In 1989, California legislature decided that guns with certain names were an assault weapon.

692
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:28,000
They had similar function to other legal guns, but by name alone they were considered to be assault weapons.

693
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:33,000
The day they were declared assault weapons, turns out doorsman sold no guns of that nature.

694
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:39,000
In 1999, the state again decided that guns with certain features.

695
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:45,000
Similar in operation to other firearms, but with certain features would be considered assault weapons.

696
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:51,000
California law changed, and again, turners that doorsman did not sell an assault weapon.

697
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:59,000
Recently, in 2016, California law changed again. Once again, redefining features.

698
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:06,000
The reason it's tough to assess what a assault weapon is, because that doesn't turn does not exist in normal nomenclature.

699
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:12,000
If you notice the guns that are not sold in California are sold in other states, not because they aren't assault weapons,

700
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:18,000
because other states have not defined weapons based on similarity of looks or features.

701
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:21,000
Is the semi-automatic considered to be an assault weapon?

702
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:22,000
Absolutely not.

703
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:23,000
There are.

704
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:25,000
Let me refer to that.

705
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:27,000
It's the then diagram.

706
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:30,000
Not all rifles that are semi-automatic or assault weapons.

707
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:34,000
Some semi-automatic weapons have been determined or deemed to be assault weapons.

708
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:38,000
But I took your question to be, are all semi-automatic assault weapons, and they are not?

709
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:39,000
Okay.

710
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:41,000
Does Turner sell semi-automatic?

711
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:42,000
We do.

712
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:43,000
Okay.

713
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:44,000
Okay.

714
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:48,000
So the next part that I was a little puzzled about it.

715
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:55,000
Let me preface this with the fact that one of the reasons that we're here is really about public safety.

716
01:05:55,000 --> 01:06:00,000
The emails and phone calls, and by the way, I apologize to those people who left me voice emails,

717
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:03,000
but my cell phone is not getting them.

718
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:07,000
I got them, but it didn't ring through any of my apologize.

719
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:11,000
Most of the questions are about public safety.

720
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:18,000
So this is what I want to focus on is the public safety aspect of your application.

721
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:27,000
One of the things that I noticed was that let's go back to 2001.

722
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:31,000
Actually, I want to go back to 2007.

723
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:36,000
Your Riverside Store was broken into an head 20 handgun stolen.

724
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:39,000
Okay.

725
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:45,000
In June of 2007, San Bernardino Store, 75 of our stolen.

726
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:47,000
Those were actually armed robbers.

727
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:48,000
Okay.

728
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:51,000
I don't know the details.

729
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:53,000
I'm just telling you what I read.

730
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:54,000
Okay.

731
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:55,000
You have done a good website for a show.

732
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:57,000
I'm going to look at you tomorrow.

733
01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:59,000
2012.

734
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:02,000
12 rifles stole from the Turner Store in Corona.

735
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:03,000
Right.

736
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:04,000
Okay.

737
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,000
Two weeks later, same guys.

738
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:10,000
42 guns more stolen from your store in torrents.

739
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:11,000
Correct.

740
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:13,000
Okay.

741
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:14,000
2013.

742
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:18,000
And I'm no number of rifles and shotguns stolen.

743
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:19,000
2016.

744
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:20,000
Victorville.

745
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:23,000
Several firearms stolen.

746
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:26,000
And this year in May, Pasadena.

747
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:28,000
Two handgun vaults stolen.

748
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:31,000
Now, the what the article didn't say and I'll give you the benefit of the doubts.

749
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:33,000
Maybe the bolts didn't have any guns in.

750
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:34,000
Okay.

751
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:36,000
It's just a wrap that up.

752
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:40,000
The vaults were in behind a glass this way to the outside.

753
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:42,000
On the other side of that was a roll down still door.

754
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:46,000
A vault, as I mentioned earlier this vault that you're speaking of.

755
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:48,000
It was an accessory that was put in the window.

756
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:49,000
Somebody stole that.

757
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:51,000
We're not saying the gun theater of the brightest folks.

758
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:54,000
They couldn't get past the other security features.

759
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:57,000
All of these events that you bring up about.

760
01:07:57,000 --> 01:08:03,000
We have continued as I mentioned earlier to employ more and more obstruction to people

761
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:04,000
breaking in the store.

762
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:07,000
What we want for local law enforcement is to have the time.

763
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:13,000
To either prevent these out right or to obstruct the parties who start off in alarm for a long

764
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:16,000
and of time that law enforcement has the chance to react.

765
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:17,000
Thank you.

766
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:19,000
So you understand why some people.

767
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:20,000
Interesting.

768
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:21,000
Might have some concern.

769
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:22,000
Interesting.

770
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:23,000
Okay.

771
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:24,000
That's all.

772
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:25,000
Okay.

773
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:26,000
Mr. Johnson.

774
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:27,000
Thank you Mr. Mayor.

775
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:28,000
Question for Jeff.

776
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:32,000
So this has been described as a moratorium on retail gun sales.

777
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:36,000
The ordinance talks about the establishment of new.

778
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:39,000
New retail establishments that sell guns.

779
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:42,000
Can you speak to how this will affect the existing retail.

780
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:45,000
Establishments in St. Carlos.

781
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:48,000
And why this is applying to a new establishment.

782
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:49,000
Okay.

783
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:53,000
This would not apply to any existing establishments in St. Carlos.

784
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:54,000
It's conceivable.

785
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:57,000
Should it go into place and should new regulations.

786
01:08:57,000 --> 01:09:01,000
We put in that some of those regulations may affect existing business.

787
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:04,000
But, you know, the crystal ball isn't really working to that.

788
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:05,000
I agree.

789
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:11,000
So this really is about any new businesses coming into the community to allow the council.

790
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:18,000
The opportunity to engage with their community and look at any new regulations that would go into place.

791
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:21,000
And in this case, for turners outdoors.

792
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:26,000
Or any other application we get, you know, in the next period of time.

793
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:28,000
Thank you.

794
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:29,000
Any other questions?

795
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:32,000
Thank you.

796
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:36,000
So the first questions I have are for staff.

797
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:40,000
Jeff, you mentioned to Mark's question that.

798
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:44,000
Turners it started on a demolition.

799
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:49,000
Is what when retail is looking to open and they're doing TI.

800
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:53,000
Is that that uncommon for businesses to.

801
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:56,000
It started on demolition without a demolition permit.

802
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:58,000
And I'll just give you the.

803
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:00,000
The next question to that.

804
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,000
When that is done.

805
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:06,000
And if, you know, a business is found to be.

806
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:08,000
Doing demo work without a permit.

807
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:11,000
What's the what's the penalty?

808
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:13,000
We can probably call up.

809
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:15,000
Elsevay or Chris Valley.

810
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:18,000
And those are those are a little specific for me.

811
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:25,000
It's a.

812
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:27,000
Beating honorable mayor members of the city council.

813
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:32,000
So typically if we find out that someone's doing demolition without a demolition permit.

814
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:37,000
We will notify the people who are doing the work to stop doing that work.

815
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:41,000
Typically there's no penalty for that, we just say, hey, stop.

816
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:46,000
Come in get your demolition permit and get set up for that.

817
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:49,000
How frequent does that happen?

818
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:51,000
Would you say, you know, how many out of 10 permits?

819
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:53,000
The, the, the, finding that to be.

820
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:54,000
It's very rare.

821
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:58,000
You know, sometimes people are in a hurry to get things done.

822
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:01,000
Small retailers and such, but it's very rare that that happens.

823
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:04,000
So is it rare because they don't get caught or is it rare?

824
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:07,000
Because, you know, you're, you're not aware of it.

825
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:12,000
Or is it rare because you guys are following things.

826
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:15,000
You know, you're very much aware of what's going on.

827
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:19,000
And you don't find very often that people get ahead of the game.

828
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:21,000
It's a combination of those things.

829
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:22,000
Yeah.

830
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:23,000
All right.

831
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:24,000
Okay.

832
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:26,000
Yeah.

833
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:33,000
And in this case, some, I guess they had started some demolition work.

834
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:38,000
And how was, how did it come about that that was discovered that they were doing this demolition work?

835
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:42,000
We had heard from someone in the community that they were doing demolition work.

836
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:49,000
So we had with someone notified city staff that there was some demolition that had been done there.

837
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:53,000
Yeah.

838
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:54,000
Yeah.

839
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:57,000
I'm going to ask questions for you guys later.

840
01:11:57,000 --> 01:12:01,000
So yeah, in turn, you may, but if, if, if it's a one-dollar question.

841
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:02,000
Is that okay?

842
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:03,000
What's it going?

843
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:04,000
Well, what's it going?

844
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:05,000
It's broken.

845
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:07,000
Yeah, go ahead.

846
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:11,000
So, and this is also for Jeff.

847
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:17,000
And every once in a while, during the year, we have three weeks between council meetings,

848
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:19,000
because of an extra week and a month.

849
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:21,000
And we had that knocked over.

850
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:30,000
So it's been three weeks since we had our last council meeting where we heard this issue and so forth.

851
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:36,000
It's, has staff, I've heard you say, you know, you would be hiring a specialist.

852
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:40,000
And so forth to look at the zoning and the extra safety precautions and so forth.

853
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:47,000
But, has staff come up with anything at all in a preliminary fashion that they would be telling

854
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:58,000
us what might be some of the things that could come out of the moratorium on the flip side of it.

855
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:05,000
Once we go through the moratorium, are there things that you could see us passing and putting into place?

856
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:09,000
Yeah, I think there's a very question council member and something we've talked about at the staff level.

857
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:14,000
But our focus has been on preparing this item for the council.

858
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:21,000
And, you know, we've, you know, we've started to create and I think we even outlined some of the questions we have at the staff level

859
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:24,000
in the staff report that we would be working to answer.

860
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:31,000
So, no, I really couldn't paint a picture for you right now in terms of what any potential regulations

861
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:34,000
or even the regulatory landscape looks like.

862
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:44,000
We know that some organizations have put, you know, various conditional uses in place for their land use process successfully.

863
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:51,000
We know that some communities have attempted to put in regulations unsuccessfully that were later challenged in court.

864
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:58,000
So, we know that there are, there are options out there, but we don't have a full understanding yet and should the moratorium pass.

865
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:05,000
That's exactly what we'll be focused on putting together a solid answer for you and your colleagues in the community.

866
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:10,000
And then, I think this is a fair question for you as a city manager.

867
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:15,000
But seems to me, and you can correct me if I'm wrong.

868
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:23,000
There's been two times where this very body, in other words, these five council members that are here now.

869
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:32,000
Out of this five came our requests to look at the availability of guns and so forth.

870
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:35,000
See, that was done on two occasions.

871
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:43,000
It takes three people to get something on the agenda and in each case, it failed to make it to the agenda.

872
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:45,000
I have the same recollection.

873
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:46,000
The other same recollection.

874
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:48,000
Okay, thank you.

875
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:56,000
The questions I have then for turners is I'd like to know when you started your.

876
01:14:56,000 --> 01:15:00,000
Not when you started your search of north because that could have been, you know.

877
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:24,000
I'm trying to get a grasp of your retargeting November 1st to open the store. So when had you started the process in earnest, I suppose, talking to the property owner, where you're assigned the lease.

878
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:31,000
What are your discussions with the landlord go back to June in terms of trading emails for potential sites?

879
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:33,000
June of this package.

880
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:34,000
June of this package.

881
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:36,000
June of 2016.

882
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:42,000
Okay, and then you were targeting November 1.

883
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:44,000
About the action that November 1.

884
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:45,000
May November 2.

885
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:46,000
Okay.

886
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:47,000
To open.

887
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:54,000
And you mentioned that your capitalization so far in this project is 125,000.

888
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:55,000
Right.

889
01:15:55,000 --> 01:16:03,000
So had you, I would take a lot of that to be working with an architect for TI work.

890
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:04,000
Right.

891
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:10,000
And you had almost submitted plans, or had submitted plans, or what was the status of that?

892
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:15,000
I believe we submitted plans because we did get feedback from staff with regards to fire buildings.

893
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:23,000
I've do we also got requests from staff for a valuation of parking, which is a typical staff question when you're looking to retail.

894
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:28,000
So I don't want to contradict what anybody said earlier, but we did meet with ministers today and have a discussion.

895
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:31,000
That again resulted in the turnover discussion to Chief Rathaus.

896
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:39,000
As well as the fact we've traded some emails back and forth relative to certain expected parameters when you go to open a store.

897
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:43,000
So you know, I'm design houses for a living.

898
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:47,000
So I know you go through a planning process with the kind of projects I do.

899
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:53,000
And then you go that then you submit to building with building plans for construction.

900
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:54,000
Can you do any eight?

901
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:59,000
Do you know what you did so far?

902
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:02,000
What repeat the question?

903
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:12,000
So I don't know what your process doing a commercial TI, but with the process I do, you usually do a submission to planning and start that process.

904
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:19,000
And then when you get approval from planning, then you go in with actual construction drawings for a building permit.

905
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:24,000
And I'm trying to delineate where are you going to do some plans?

906
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:31,000
They get sent out the easy like five different departments, planning, zoning, fire.

907
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:33,000
Maybe that's it.

908
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:35,000
And then you get comments back.

909
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:38,000
So we have already received the comments back from the department.

910
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:41,000
These were construction drawings for TI work that you had submitted.

911
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:42,000
Okay, very good.

912
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:44,000
That's what I was trying to get at.

913
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:49,000
And then you mentioned that you have assigned lease with a building owner.

914
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:52,000
Have you had any discussions with paid?

915
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:58,000
We've got this issue and it could be anywhere from a 45 day to two year delay.

916
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:04,000
What's our penalty if we have to extricate ourselves from this contract that we've already signed with you?

917
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:06,000
Has there been any.

918
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:08,000
No discussions on that.

919
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:16,000
Okay, but you do you know in the language of your lease agreement, if you backed out, there'd be some penalty or something of that sort.

920
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:19,000
Well, the outside of what we've already paid out.

921
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:20,000
Right.

922
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:23,000
There's some protection for us in the lease.

923
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:25,000
Okay, very good.

924
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:30,000
And then I want to touch on something that Mark had brought up about the background checks.

925
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:38,000
And you had mentioned about how much you work with Cal DOJ and ATF.

926
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:45,000
And going through that background check process and Mark brought up some cases.

927
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:54,000
I guess where there were some straw purchases or people had fallen through the cracks.

928
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:59,000
I understand, though, that you're giving that information to the government.

929
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:04,000
What they do with it and how efficient they are with it is up to them, not up to you.

930
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:05,000
Correct.

931
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:12,000
In cases where we are getting all sorts of signals based on any number of just experienced parameters.

932
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:14,000
We will act quickly.

933
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:21,000
In cases where straws fail is nearly inditectable because the person come in and expresses an interest in that particular firearm.

934
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:27,000
Can delineate what they're looking for by brand or by type and have a discussion with staff.

935
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:30,000
That sale is no different than the other sale.

936
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:33,000
One of the things I mentioned earlier is that there is a form that we do.

937
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:35,000
Again, we do is just a common sense.

938
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:42,000
We think of this common sense business practice of having the customer sign, what firearm is getting.

939
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:45,000
That is received safety instruction for that firearm.

940
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:48,000
The California of safe handling demos are mentioned earlier.

941
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:53,000
That they have read the instruction manual and if they have any questions, we can ask them or we can answer those for them.

942
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:58,000
We also ask them or advise them that the firearm that they're buying is for themselves and only for themselves.

943
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:01,000
Because state and federal law prevent otherwise.

944
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:06,000
We also advise them that the firearms that they are purchasing are legal as is sold in California.

945
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:11,000
That any alteration of modification, addition, subtraction and so forth might put them in harm's way.

946
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:16,000
As I mentioned earlier, we've been notified of multiple occasions that that form has been extraordinarily effective.

947
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:20,000
Though not required and firms are prostituting people in mainstream purchases.

948
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:21,000
Thank you.

949
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:22,000
All right.

950
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:25,000
Mr. Over, you have another question or two?

951
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:27,000
Just one, Mr. Mayor. Thank you.

952
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:35,000
Actually, for Mr. Rubens, one of the other things that I've found that interesting to learn about in this entire discussion.

953
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:45,000
As I was prepping for the meeting is trying to get some clarity on what a business is looking to open up a retail shop in San Carlos.

954
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:48,000
In San Carlos or indeed in any community.

955
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:52,000
To what extent is the ability to do that?

956
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:54,000
I guess I would describe it.

957
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:56,000
I'm not trying to use legal terms here.

958
01:20:56,000 --> 01:21:01,000
So maybe using an incorrectly a matter of right versus a matter of privilege.

959
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:08,000
In other words, to what extent is it that the community does have to say in terms of what's there and what's not?

960
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:16,000
Well, that question revolves around what really you're considering tonight.

961
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:23,000
It's the emergency ordinance and a moratorium is its zoning ordinance.

962
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:29,000
And the rights under the zoning law, we regulate zoning all over the city.

963
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:31,000
We have residential districts.

964
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:35,000
We have commercial districts. We have special overlay districts that deal with the downtown core.

965
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:41,000
We have districts that allow multi residential or mixed use.

966
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:54,000
So that's core to the California system of zoning and regulation that cities have the right to reasonably regulate the land uses in their city.

967
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:59,000
There's some you know invasion into that right if you will.

968
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:03,000
So what comes to me to me right now is you know home daycares.

969
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:08,000
We the state has taken away some of the regulatory authority for home daycares.

970
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:24,000
One of the things about what you're hearing tonight is how complex the issue of firearms and ammunition sales are in the breadth of regulations that multiple levels of state and federal government.

971
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:36,000
The experience that what I've done since the Council directed us to look at this is how to what extent can we impose a moratorium.

972
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:51,000
The research I found is that several local cities have done what you're proposed it was being proposed tonight so that we could figure out what the rules of the game are, what the limits of zoning are, what we can do.

973
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:56,000
Bested right the vested right concept concept or what you're talking about.

974
01:22:56,000 --> 01:23:06,000
Generally the rule is you have to have a permit to get a vested right and I hear the theory that's being proposed here that you can get a vested right before you have a permit.

975
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:19,000
But that's not necessarily what the rules are the rules are you get a permit you have you have tamed the right under the zoning ordinance and under the rules for under the building code.

976
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:22,000
So that hasn't happened in this case.

977
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:27,000
Mr. Mayer I apologize just something Mr. Ruben said sparked another question.

978
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:36,000
Greg you said that other municipalities have imposed other moratoriums specifically about gun stores or.

979
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:37,000
Yes.

980
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:38,000
Yes.

981
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:48,000
Well let's get us in Boulder Creek and the county of Santa Cruz have all gone the route of a moratorium in last few years.

982
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:53,000
Boulder Creek was in response to an application for a fifth.

983
01:23:53,000 --> 01:24:00,000
I quote gun store in their community and was got us was also in in a similar situation.

984
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:03,000
I don't have all the facts of how they.

985
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:13,000
What led to it in was got us but obviously there was a community concern about the health safety and effect on the vitality in their community.

986
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:14,000
Good.

987
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:15,000
Good.

988
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:16,000
Thank you.

989
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:17,000
Thank you Mr. Mayor.

990
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:19,000
Thank you.

991
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:22,000
A couple of last questions.

992
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:23,000
I guess this for Rob.

993
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:28,000
What percentage of your storage sales are firearms.

994
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:32,000
I think you sense a letter and indicated something about.

995
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:38,000
So under seven percent of the sales floor space is four firearms under five percent by quantity.

996
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:40,000
I'm so what was the second part?

997
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:41,000
Under five percent by quantity.

998
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:42,000
By quantity.

999
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:43,000
By quantity.

1000
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:44,000
By dollars.

1001
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:47,000
Could you still be profitable if you didn't sell guns?

1002
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:48,000
Our deputy killer.

1003
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:51,000
Hard to be a hunting and fishing store when you don't.

1004
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:52,000
Aren't able to.

1005
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:54,000
Well aren't boson arrows.

1006
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:55,000
Hunting implements.

1007
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:56,000
Just curious.

1008
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:57,000
Could you still be.

1009
01:24:57,000 --> 01:24:58,000
Yeah.

1010
01:24:58,000 --> 01:25:01,000
There's this effort season for our tree in California actually.

1011
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:03,000
So the question is.

1012
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:07,000
Our tree is a very.

1013
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:10,000
A crazy business in California in that every area is protected.

1014
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:11,000
Their brands are protected.

1015
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:14,000
So you certain areas you can't put in certain brands.

1016
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:17,000
Otherwise we would put in our tree in certain areas.

1017
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:18,000
Okay.

1018
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:20,000
I'm not sure if you said in there about the profitability.

1019
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:21,000
I just didn't hear it.

1020
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:24,000
Or is that not something that you're willing to discuss.

1021
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:25,000
Yeah.

1022
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:26,000
It would be impossible.

1023
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:28,000
Don't be profitable with them.

1024
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:29,000
Thank you.

1025
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:30,000
That'll.

1026
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:31,000
Okay.

1027
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:32,000
I had a couple of Mr. Cheese.

1028
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:35,000
Thank you.

1029
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:41,000
Has Turner's open stores and communities that have local land use regulations specific conditions for firearm sales?

1030
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:42,000
Yes we have.

1031
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:43,000
Okay.

1032
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:44,000
Can you just throw one out or a couple out?

1033
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:46,000
I will mention not two that I mentioned earlier.

1034
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:47,000
The city of Palmdale.

1035
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:48,000
Okay.

1036
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:49,000
And the city of Salinas.

1037
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:50,000
Okay.

1038
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:55,000
Do you believe these regulations in other communities where you have opened locations to be fair and equitable?

1039
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:56,000
Not always.

1040
01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:57,000
Okay.

1041
01:25:57,000 --> 01:26:01,000
Can you provide examples of the types of regulations or conditions these other communities have in place?

1042
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:03,000
Sure.

1043
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:05,000
The equitable or the not so equitable.

1044
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:07,000
Well, I wanted to have each because we'll get going.

1045
01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:08,000
Sure.

1046
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:09,000
That's fine.

1047
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:11,000
What we consider equitable is where people want to review.

1048
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:15,000
Obviously what we've discussed prior with regards to having a proper permit.

1049
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:21,000
The proper vetting and making sure that when we go into business and sell fire arms that we're going to turn around and do so according to law.

1050
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:25,000
We would look at the cities of Palmdale and cities of Salinas as being those examples.

1051
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:27,000
We mentioned earlier the city of Los Angeles.

1052
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:30,000
We have a great relationship with the city of Los Angeles.

1053
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:49,000
But they have created a zoning scheme or metric if you will that no other firearms store may open because they use this power to be obstructed relative to either such restrictive sensitivity buffers and or places that are not suitable for retail such as an industrial area or someplace of that nature.

1054
01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:50,000
Okay.

1055
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:56,000
Do you believe that the city of San Carlos community should have the opportunity to consider the same types of regulations you described?

1056
01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:57,000
Congratulations.

1057
01:26:57,000 --> 01:27:00,000
As I mentioned earlier, I think that is the process of moratorium.

1058
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:02,000
Is a little bit different.

1059
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:07,000
If I can speak to this question too, we've stated that there's a 45 day moratorium.

1060
01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:11,000
By the staff report that is a one year moratorium, essentially from the start.

1061
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:17,000
There will be another opportunity for you to vote for an extension in merely two weeks, not in 45 days.

1062
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:19,000
That will extend this to a total year.

1063
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:20,000
Okay.

1064
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:21,000
Thank you very much.

1065
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:22,000
Thank you.

1066
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:23,000
Okay.

1067
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:24,000
All right.

1068
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:27,000
So we'd like to be going to public comment.

1069
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:32,000
Our city clerk has advised me there are 120 sheets here.

1070
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:39,000
So if I have two minutes for each of those, that would be 240 minutes, which would be four hours.

1071
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:43,000
I am certainly wanting to hear from everyone.

1072
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:49,000
But I would appreciate if folks could be succinct on their comments.

1073
01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:52,000
I will be very restrictive on this timer.

1074
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:56,000
And I will cut you off because I want to make sure everyone gets heard.

1075
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:58,000
But I don't want to be here till midnight.

1076
01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:01,000
I would like to have it in two, two and a half hours.

1077
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:05,000
So we have some reasonable list of awakeness up here that we can make a good discussion.

1078
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:10,000
The other thing is that I think I mentioned before, appreciate the civility so far.

1079
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:12,000
I would hope that that would continue.

1080
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:16,000
You're going to hear some things from folks up here that you're going to really, really, really love.

1081
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:19,000
And you're going to hear some things that you really, really don't love.

1082
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:21,000
And certainly I understand that.

1083
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:23,000
But let's be realistic about this.

1084
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:26,000
Is that everyone has a right to speak, as long as they're respectful.

1085
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:30,000
If they're not respectful up here, I will shut them off.

1086
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:34,000
And if the room gets a little too, should we say excited?

1087
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:36,000
I will ask for a recess.

1088
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:41,000
So let's make sure we're listening to what folks you're saying, whether we agree or disagree.

1089
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:43,000
And then we can go from there.

1090
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:47,000
So hopefully we'll have a good discussion.

1091
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:48,000
All right.

1092
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:49,000
Are we ready?

1093
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:50,000
Okay.

1094
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:53,000
So the first speaker I have is Danielle Lappanyan.

1095
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:54,000
All right.

1096
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:55,000
I apologize.

1097
01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:59,000
I'll come upon you.

1098
01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:01,000
And again, two minutes goes pretty quick.

1099
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:04,000
So the sink has, it would really help.

1100
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:07,000
And I will catch you off.

1101
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:17,000
Welcome.

1102
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:18,000
Thank you.

1103
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:19,000
My name is Danielle.

1104
01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:22,000
And I'm a resident of San Carlos.

1105
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:26,000
San Carlos has a well-stock gun store on their website.

1106
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:34,000
And even says that they now carry California factory legal ARs.

1107
01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:36,000
Instance happened at gun stores.

1108
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:37,000
It's so guns.

1109
01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:40,000
There's a robbery in Britain's smithers in 2016.

1110
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:42,000
During which numerous guns were stolen.

1111
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:45,000
In 2006, a man walked out of their store with the gun.

1112
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:51,000
He was asked to see and committed suicide in the sidewalk using ammo he bought

1113
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:53,000
brought with him.

1114
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:56,000
Turner's was geared up to open this month.

1115
01:29:56,000 --> 01:30:00,000
As you can see from the image to the right of the first page of the...

1116
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:08,000
New member weekly advertiser, guns are their focus, and they claim to be the enterprise number one retail recruiter.

1117
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:13,000
The proposed location is near many places children frequent.

1118
01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:19,000
People here tonight who live in St. Harlus will undoubtedly recognize the proposed location

1119
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:29,000
up there in the turquoise. Businesses next to freeways like one can become more of a target for robberies.

1120
01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:44,000
Turners, which has over 20 stores, mostly in southern California, has had many incidents of theft. Two of the four weapons, as you heard, were used for the San Bernardino mass shooting were purchased at a turners.

1121
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:55,000
This photo is of the victims of that mass shooting, and it brings home the heartbreaking cost of inadequate regulations and lack of gun reform.

1122
01:30:55,000 --> 01:31:06,000
Our gun death rate is rising in 2013, gun homicides over 21,000, gun homicides over 11,000, accidental death by gun over 500.

1123
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:11,000
Research shows the variable that explains this is our astronomical number of guns.

1124
01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:20,000
This slide shows the United States far outpaces other developed countries in gun ownership, shown in blue 88 guns per 100 people.

1125
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:24,000
I'm sorry, I'm going to have to stop you. Two minutes, thank you.

1126
01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:28,000
The next speaker we have is Rob Anson.

1127
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:34,000
All right, that's fine, Rob. Go ahead. Before you start, Rob, I should be doing this and I forgot in how I have these large ones.

1128
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:37,000
But I want to have a couple of little line-ups, so we're ready to go.

1129
01:31:37,000 --> 01:31:41,000
Follow by Jackie Yon, followed by Chris Wheeldrier.

1130
01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:42,000
Go ahead, Rob.

1131
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:46,000
I'm not a resident of San Carlos.

1132
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:52,000
In this slide, the scale of these unacceptable tragedies could have been greatly reduced.

1133
01:31:52,000 --> 01:32:01,000
If rapid fire assault weapons were not so readily available, we have to take a stand at the local level due to inadequate gun control and reform.

1134
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:06,000
Last week, Newsweek noted the gun deaths this year, total 13,000.

1135
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:11,000
This photo of last month's Los Angeles Las Vegas victims.

1136
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:20,000
Tell me, when you look at these faces, that someone's access to an assault rifle is more important than their lives.

1137
01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:31,000
Mass shootings only account for 2% of the gun deaths, but it is the shootings taking place in parking lots, bars, schools, bedrooms, street corners that are responsible for most gun deaths.

1138
01:32:31,000 --> 01:32:40,000
The states with the highest gun ownership had nine times the rate of unintentional gun deaths compared to states with the lowest gun ownership rates.

1139
01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:46,000
If you search accidental gun deaths in California, you find an abundance of horrific incidents.

1140
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:51,000
Teenagers killing friends or siblings harming each other by accident.

1141
01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:56,000
In 2013 to put this in perspective, there were 27 police officers killed by gun shot.

1142
01:32:56,000 --> 01:33:04,000
82 children under four years old were killed by gun, according to the CDC and FBI statistics.

1143
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:15,000
Approximately 800 children were killed by gun fire in 2015, and a study published in 2017 in the journal Pediatrics dated from 2002 to 2014,

1144
01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:23,000
show the number of children shot and killed per year is 1,300 when suicide by children are included.

1145
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:30,000
The city of San Carlos has not revisited the issue of regulations for store selling guns in the city limits for decades.

1146
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:31,000
Let's do this.

1147
01:33:31,000 --> 01:33:33,000
All right. Thank you.

1148
01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:35,000
Appreciate your comment.

1149
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:39,000
Jackie Antholed by Chris Wheeldryer followed by Aspen Mulden.

1150
01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:44,000
Thanks so much, guys. I really appreciate the time you're taking to really think the service is really important for our community.

1151
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:50,000
It is time to revisit regulation. This is a public health issue. Thank you so much.

1152
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:59,000
Thank you for your comment. Chris Wheeldryer followed by Aspen Mulden followed by Mary Reed.

1153
01:33:59,000 --> 01:34:03,000
These guns in our community are incredibly dangerous things to have.

1154
01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:06,000
There are a public health problem for us at the very least.

1155
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:15,000
We owe it to ourselves to take a little time to at least understand the situation as far as as much as we possibly can before we make any decision.

1156
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:17,000
I support this more.

1157
01:34:17,000 --> 01:34:18,000
Thank you.

1158
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:22,000
Aspen Mulden followed by Mary Reed followed by.

1159
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:26,000
See you in Friday.

1160
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:33,000
City Council members. My name is Aspen Mulden. I've been a resident of San Carlos for 11 years and I'm a peninsula native.

1161
01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:38,000
I am asking the city council to approve a more touring on gun stores in San Carlos.

1162
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:41,000
Well, there are many arguments on both sides of the table.

1163
01:34:41,000 --> 01:34:46,000
It seems to me that many people are jumping to conclusions as to why we're against a gun store in our community.

1164
01:34:47,000 --> 01:34:50,000
This isn't about taking anyone's rights or guns away.

1165
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:56,000
Guns can be purchased up and down the peninsula, including from our own Invertence Miller's and San Carlos.

1166
01:34:56,000 --> 01:35:06,000
This is about the safety of our community and whether or not another gun store is representative of the kind of town San Carlos is and wants to continue to be.

1167
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:11,000
Turners or any other gun store will bring hundreds of net new guns into our city.

1168
01:35:11,000 --> 01:35:14,000
Regardless of the safety measures we've heard tonight,

1169
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:24,000
you can go online and as Ron said earlier, there have been multiple gun robberies from Turner stores.

1170
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:27,000
If you allow more guns into San Carlos, there are more guns to steal.

1171
01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:31,000
And as you already know, our local gun store was robbed just last year.

1172
01:35:31,000 --> 01:35:34,000
If there's no way to prevent it, why risk it?

1173
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:38,000
What happened in Las Vegas in Texas can happen in San Carlos?

1174
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:43,000
Let's not kid ourselves, violent crimes happen in small towns more than people realize.

1175
01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:50,000
I am a survivor of a violent crime that happened to me at eight years old, just blocks from my home in Palo Alto.

1176
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:54,000
I am proof it happens and it changes you forever.

1177
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:59,000
More guns in our town, unquestionably increased the risk of something happening.

1178
01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:08,000
I am asking you to really think about the implications of whether or not the guns for means for seeing Carlos and approving a moratorium.

1179
01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:11,000
You will have proper time to do so.

1180
01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:13,000
Thank you for your comments.

1181
01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:22,000
Mary Reef followed by Sierra and Friday followed by Kathy Beard.

1182
01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:25,000
Hello, I'm Dr. Mary Reef.

1183
01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:29,000
I've lived in San Carlos for a total of nine years.

1184
01:36:29,000 --> 01:36:35,000
I'm also a board certified pediatrician and I follow the American Academy of Pediatrics.

1185
01:36:35,000 --> 01:36:42,000
Unfortunately due to the nature of my job, I have seen the impact of guns on children.

1186
01:36:42,000 --> 01:36:50,000
An example at a play date where a child finds a gun tells or a responsibility tells an adult.

1187
01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:54,000
The adult picks up the gun and it shoots him in the abdomen.

1188
01:36:54,000 --> 01:37:03,000
Another example that I've seen is a child who was at piano lessons.

1189
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:09,000
Ten year old who was shot and leaving him paralyzed.

1190
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:23,000
So we as a medical community and so we have gathered 64 signatures from physicians who live in this area or who practice in this community.

1191
01:37:23,000 --> 01:37:32,000
We strongly support a moratorium of gun stores.

1192
01:37:32,000 --> 01:37:38,000
It is contrary, it may be contrary to Turner's opinion.

1193
01:37:38,000 --> 01:37:44,000
But the medical community has come in consensus against the opening of the store.

1194
01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:54,000
And to place a moratorium and so we can have some time to digest it and the impact of its safety on the community.

1195
01:37:54,000 --> 01:38:05,000
We ask the city council to consider having whether or not having a gun store in such close proximity to businesses that cater to children.

1196
01:38:05,000 --> 01:38:08,000
Is something that we should not think more of.

1197
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:10,000
Thank you for so much for your time.

1198
01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:12,000
Thank you, doctor.

1199
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:17,000
See you on Friday followed by Kathy Beard followed by NiLu.

1200
01:38:17,000 --> 01:38:26,000
Hi, my name is Aaron Friday and I support the moratorium.

1201
01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:37,000
I'm a San Carlos residents of 11 years and I have 45 other signatures of San Carlos residents who couldn't be here who also support the moratorium.

1202
01:38:37,000 --> 01:38:39,000
I'll hand these up once I finish.

1203
01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:46,000
The council needs time to make a thoughtful decision concerning adding a third gun store to San Carlos.

1204
01:38:46,000 --> 01:38:49,000
And it's not just any gun store.

1205
01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:56,000
Contrary to Turner's idyllic misleading presentation, this store is not concerned with our safety.

1206
01:38:56,000 --> 01:39:00,000
I invite you to examine Turner's website.

1207
01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:03,000
Look under its second amendment tab.

1208
01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:10,000
First, it probably states that it's the NRA's number one supporter.

1209
01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:20,000
Secondly, and most importantly, in big bold letters with the link, it urges anyone to go anyone on their site to take action.

1210
01:39:20,000 --> 01:39:22,000
To take action against what?

1211
01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:27,000
To take action against California's strict firearms safety laws.

1212
01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:34,000
Let's talk about a couple of those laws that they oppose that are before the California legislation.

1213
01:39:34,000 --> 01:39:38,000
They oppose banning concealed weapons.

1214
01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:44,000
They oppose laws that ban the possession of guns within school zones.

1215
01:39:44,000 --> 01:39:54,000
And unbelievably, Turner's opposes California's pending law that mandates security and stores regulations related to guns.

1216
01:39:54,000 --> 01:39:55,000
So don't be fooled.

1217
01:39:55,000 --> 01:39:59,000
Turner's does not care about San Carlos's safety.

1218
01:39:59,000 --> 01:40:05,000
And Turner's seeked out our town because of our lackzony laws.

1219
01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:10,000
We have no hunting areas in San Carlos.

1220
01:40:10,000 --> 01:40:16,000
City Council, I urge you to please take the time to digest everything that you have heard and will hear tonight,

1221
01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:22,000
so that you can enact appropriate regulations to ensure our town safety.

1222
01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:23,000
We live here.

1223
01:40:23,000 --> 01:40:25,000
They don't.

1224
01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:26,000
Thank you.

1225
01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:29,000
Please, please, please.

1226
01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:30,000
Thank you.

1227
01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:35,000
Folks, let's stay together here.

1228
01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:42,000
Kathy Beard followed by the Lou followed by Karen Poluska.

1229
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:47,000
My name is Kathy Beard and I've lived in San Carlos for 35 years.

1230
01:40:47,000 --> 01:40:52,000
Thank you for this opportunity to urge you to vote for the moratorium.

1231
01:40:52,000 --> 01:40:58,000
My main concern is about the safety of the products themselves.

1232
01:40:58,000 --> 01:41:02,000
I too found the number of reports about the burglaries.

1233
01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:08,000
I'm not particularly comforted to hear that some of them were armed robberies,

1234
01:41:08,000 --> 01:41:10,000
which I heard them say.

1235
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:14,000
And I would like to ask you to please vote for the moratorium.

1236
01:41:14,000 --> 01:41:15,000
Thank you.

1237
01:41:15,000 --> 01:41:17,000
Thank you for your comments.

1238
01:41:17,000 --> 01:41:20,000
I'm Nilloux followed by Karen Poluska.

1239
01:41:20,000 --> 01:41:22,000
Follow by Lori Lowell.

1240
01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:25,000
Hi.

1241
01:41:25,000 --> 01:41:28,000
My name is Nilloux and I'm a resident of San Carlos.

1242
01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:34,000
Last week, I read the daily journals article that cover the safety measures that turners outdoors men

1243
01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:36,000
and tends on having for their store.

1244
01:41:36,000 --> 01:41:41,000
I would like to thank and acknowledge the store for implementing these extra safety measures.

1245
01:41:41,000 --> 01:41:48,000
However, it seems to me that they are aware that current federal and state requirements are lacking.

1246
01:41:48,000 --> 01:41:53,000
The California State Legislature has placed the bulk of the responsibility of putting these extra,

1247
01:41:53,000 --> 01:41:58,000
but necessary safety measurements on local communities.

1248
01:41:58,000 --> 01:42:03,000
Unfortunately, San Carlos has not yet acted where the state has failed to act.

1249
01:42:03,000 --> 01:42:08,000
While I appreciate that Turner's outdoorsman is going beyond the current state and federal requirements,

1250
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:12,000
they are not the ones that know what is best for our community.

1251
01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:16,000
Nor is the welfare of our community, their primary concern.

1252
01:42:16,000 --> 01:42:19,000
I don't really know, Turner's outdoorsman.

1253
01:42:19,000 --> 01:42:22,000
We haven't had time to build a good proper relationship yet.

1254
01:42:22,000 --> 01:42:25,000
They may be a great partner, but I don't know that.

1255
01:42:25,000 --> 01:42:29,000
What I do know is that I know and trust my own community.

1256
01:42:29,000 --> 01:42:35,000
I would prefer that our own city attorney, city staff, community members, and city council.

1257
01:42:35,000 --> 01:42:40,000
Be the ones who decide just what safety requirements would best protect our community.

1258
01:42:40,000 --> 01:42:46,000
Please do not deny us the right to defend ourselves and establish our own safety requirements.

1259
01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:47,000
City council.

1260
01:42:47,000 --> 01:42:53,000
I ask that you please vote for the moratorium, so that our community can look into what is best for our community.

1261
01:42:53,000 --> 01:42:54,000
Thank you.

1262
01:42:54,000 --> 01:42:55,000
Thank you.

1263
01:42:55,000 --> 01:42:56,000
Thank you for your comments.

1264
01:42:56,000 --> 01:42:58,000
Karen Poluska.

1265
01:42:59,000 --> 01:43:02,000
Well, by Laurie Low, followed by Pamela J. Holt.

1266
01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:11,000
Hi. I'm Karen Poluska. I'm a San Carlos resident for about 12 or 13 years now.

1267
01:43:11,000 --> 01:43:17,000
I can't speak as eloquently as a lot of the other people have, so I must be very brief and just say that

1268
01:43:17,000 --> 01:43:23,000
as a person who's been a victim of burglary in San Carlos, as a person whose family's been affected

1269
01:43:23,000 --> 01:43:28,000
by gun violence, directly having lost my sister in logic on violence. I completely support the moratorium.

1270
01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:33,000
I think a lot more thinking and conversation needs to happen before another gun store opens in San Carlos.

1271
01:43:33,000 --> 01:43:34,000
Thank you so much.

1272
01:43:34,000 --> 01:43:36,000
Thank you for your comments.

1273
01:43:36,000 --> 01:43:41,000
Laurie Low, followed by Pamela Jolt, followed by Kristen Lindberg.

1274
01:43:41,000 --> 01:43:50,000
I cancel members. I'm Laurie Low, and I live in San Carlos. I work in San Carlos, and I raise my children in San Carlos.

1275
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:56,000
As we've heard, turn us as a history of armed robberies. It is next to the freeway, making it easy target.

1276
01:43:56,000 --> 01:44:00,000
It will put up concrete barriers to keep cars from smashing into it.

1277
01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:07,000
This store will open next door. My children learn how to swim. Next door, we buy literally equipment and they are a school district office.

1278
01:44:07,000 --> 01:44:12,000
I believe we need to take the time to think about how a new gun store would impact our community.

1279
01:44:12,000 --> 01:44:15,000
And if this is the direction we want to go in.

1280
01:44:15,000 --> 01:44:20,000
When my eight-year-old hurlard heard about tonight's meeting, he wrote the following asked me to share it with you.

1281
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:26,000
And please note, this is in the context of the recent and horrific tragic mass shootings.

1282
01:44:26,000 --> 01:44:33,000
And we've tried to shield them from them, but it's become increasingly difficult due to their frequency.

1283
01:44:33,000 --> 01:44:42,000
So, and he wrote, there's no point in guns. There's no point in war instead of war. You can talk things out. Guns are only for hurting.

1284
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:47,000
I ask that there will be no hurting in San Carlos, California or the United States of America.

1285
01:44:47,000 --> 01:44:56,000
So, on behalf of him and my family, I ask that you support a more atrium on new gunstores and think through the consequences to our community.

1286
01:44:56,000 --> 01:44:57,000
Thank you.

1287
01:44:57,000 --> 01:44:58,000
Thank you for your comments.

1288
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:06,000
Pamela J. Holt, followed by Kristen Lindberg, followed by Colette, Narenheim.

1289
01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:14,000
Thank you, good evening. My name is Pamela J. Holt. I've been a resident of St. Carlos for 37 years.

1290
01:45:14,000 --> 01:45:20,000
With the unprecedented growth in Carlos' experiencing now, we as citizens need to be extra vigilant

1291
01:45:20,000 --> 01:45:26,000
as how we want our city to grow, and for this we need a moratorium that goes to the very core of

1292
01:45:26,000 --> 01:45:32,000
housing and Carlos conducts itself as a city of good living. This is what I want for St. Carlos. I

1293
01:45:32,000 --> 01:45:37,360
want us to seize this opportunity through a moratorium to come together and dialogue together about how we

1294
01:45:37,360 --> 01:45:42,960
want our city to grow, to decide what value we are creating within our community with our choice of all

1295
01:45:42,960 --> 01:45:49,600
new additions. It is a time for all residents to have a voice to speak their views and beliefs. It is a time

1296
01:45:49,600 --> 01:45:55,600
perhaps to agree to disagree, but still come together and dialogue. It is a time for the empowerment of each

1297
01:45:55,600 --> 01:46:02,560
citizen. Let's do this based on mutual respect. Let's not alienate ourselves from another. It is not a time to put on

1298
01:46:02,560 --> 01:46:08,320
our political armor. Let's find our common humanity. Unity is strong and disunity is weak.

1299
01:46:08,320 --> 01:46:13,600
Without a moratorium, we will be divided in and weak. Asshadow, if what is happening in our country,

1300
01:46:13,600 --> 01:46:19,200
on the national level, citizens will feel they had no voice and what is without doubt a very controversial

1301
01:46:19,200 --> 01:46:24,640
issue. How such a controversial issue was stethily passed through without residents' knowledge

1302
01:46:24,640 --> 01:46:30,640
needs to be explained and discussed. Now and during our moratorium, we do not need in my opinion

1303
01:46:30,640 --> 01:46:37,120
or in my opinion want. Outside people coming in and posing their personal political agenda in an effort

1304
01:46:37,120 --> 01:46:42,080
to influence and determine the outcome of this situation. Please ask yourselves of our communities

1305
01:46:42,080 --> 01:46:47,520
going to be governed by ourselves or by outsiders who might turn local lobbyists. We have this

1306
01:46:47,520 --> 01:46:52,800
going on in Washington. Let's have St. Carlos seize this opportunity to take control of our city

1307
01:46:52,800 --> 01:46:58,560
and be a positive example of the power of dialogue on the local level to resolve issues based on moral

1308
01:46:58,560 --> 01:47:04,160
standards, not political ones. This is what I want for St. Carlos. The city of good living. Thank you.

1309
01:47:04,320 --> 01:47:09,520
Thank you for your comments. Folks, folks, folks, help me out here.

1310
01:47:10,240 --> 01:47:14,240
Christine Lindberg followed by Collette and Narnaim followed by Rob Janks.

1311
01:47:16,080 --> 01:47:20,880
Hi, my name is Kristin Lindberg. I've lived in the area for 10 years. This door would be

1312
01:47:20,880 --> 01:47:27,360
two miles from my home in Redwood City and I just want to strongly support the moratorium. Thank you.

1313
01:47:27,440 --> 01:47:36,080
Thank you for your comments. Collette, Narnaim. I said that wrong. I apologize. Rob Janks and

1314
01:47:36,080 --> 01:47:46,720
Allison Fox. Hello. Thank you for getting my name right, Iraq. So I have been a resident of

1315
01:47:46,720 --> 01:47:53,120
St. Carlos for 11 years. I have three young children and I strongly oppose another gun store coming

1316
01:47:53,120 --> 01:47:59,200
to St. Carlos. I think it is much too close for this children to be exposed to. We absolutely

1317
01:47:59,200 --> 01:48:12,000
have no hunting anywhere near here and those lakes, those are reservoirs. So I definitely encourage you

1318
01:48:12,000 --> 01:48:18,000
to oppose this gun store coming to St. Carlos. Thank you. Okay, thank you for your comments. Okay,

1319
01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:26,080
let's keep it straight here. Okay. Rob Janks followed by Allison Fox, followed by Air and

1320
01:48:26,080 --> 01:48:32,560
Nefac. Thanks a lot for taking that time to listen to us today. Council members, I've been a

1321
01:48:32,560 --> 01:48:39,520
resident of St. Carlos for five years. I think it would be impossible to deny that firearms are a

1322
01:48:39,520 --> 01:48:46,400
public safety risk and issue. The product isn't safe and so we need time to figure out how to deal with

1323
01:48:46,400 --> 01:48:52,880
that. So I urge you to vote for the moratorium. Thanks. Thank you for your comments. Allison Fox

1324
01:48:52,880 --> 01:49:06,000
followed by Air and Nefac, followed by Sue Kang. I'm Allison Fox and I'm a resident of St. Carlos also

1325
01:49:06,000 --> 01:49:12,000
the mother of two children in public schools here. We've lived here for over 10 years and I care deeply

1326
01:49:12,000 --> 01:49:16,880
about the safety and well-being of our community. I'm here tonight to ask the council to prove

1327
01:49:16,880 --> 01:49:24,000
the moratorium on any new gun sale operations in St. Carlos. A moratorium will allow the council,

1328
01:49:24,000 --> 01:49:31,760
city staff and residents of St. Carlos to study the impacts such operations might have on our

1329
01:49:31,760 --> 01:49:38,480
public health and safety and crime levels in and around our town. The council has conducted public

1330
01:49:38,560 --> 01:49:46,800
meetings before approving or denying other lines of business in the city as we've heard staff mentioned before

1331
01:49:47,360 --> 01:49:52,960
and I ask the council to do the same and ensure there's a lot of discussion before allowing any new

1332
01:49:52,960 --> 01:50:00,800
gun stores in our town. Thank you. Thank you for your comments. Air and Nefac followed by Sue Kang,

1333
01:50:00,800 --> 01:50:13,120
followed by Jonathan Chan. Thank you. My name is Erin Nefac. I'm a developmental pediatrician

1334
01:50:13,120 --> 01:50:19,280
and a citizen of St. Carlos but I speak tonight on behalf of the entire American Academy of Pediatrics

1335
01:50:19,280 --> 01:50:26,240
of State of California. We are a nonprofit organization, a pediatrician dedicated to the health safety

1336
01:50:26,240 --> 01:50:32,720
and well-being of infants, children, adolescents, and young adults. The entire AP of California

1337
01:50:32,720 --> 01:50:37,680
is on board with urging your leadership and supporting a moratorium and further restrictions on gun

1338
01:50:37,680 --> 01:50:45,440
stores and St. Carlos. The AP has a policy statement entitled, preventing fire-arm related injuries

1339
01:50:45,440 --> 01:50:53,120
to the pediatric population. It clearly states, and I quote, the absence of guns from children's homes

1340
01:50:53,200 --> 01:50:58,640
and communities is the most reliable and effective measure to prevent fire-arm related injuries

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to children adolescents. The other data are clear as well. Access to guns increases the number of

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conflict-related deaths in injuries. Access to guns and unsafe storage creates risk of serious

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01:51:11,440 --> 01:51:17,920
unintentional injury and death. Fire-arm related injuries are often fatal and suicide

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01:51:17,920 --> 01:51:23,680
fatality rates increase if guns are present in the home. The mission of the AP of California

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01:51:23,680 --> 01:51:27,760
is to protect and promote the health and well-being of all children in use living in California.

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For the reasons stated above, and also because, as Mr. Ortiz mentioned over and over again,

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he said there was not a sense of urgency here. This is the second leading cause of death in children

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01:51:39,600 --> 01:51:43,760
nationwide. I believe that is a sense of urgency and a public health emergency, and I believe

1349
01:51:43,760 --> 01:51:49,040
that criteria has been met. The AP is fully prepared to work with the council and the community at

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01:51:49,040 --> 01:51:54,240
large to protect children in place to help safety and well-long-term well-being as a primary focus

1351
01:51:54,240 --> 01:51:56,880
of your gun control efforts. Thanks for your time. Thank you.

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01:51:59,520 --> 01:52:02,640
Sue Kang followed by Jonathan Chan followed by Stephanie Lai.

1353
01:52:02,640 --> 01:52:14,560
Well, my name is Sue. I'm a resident of St. Carlos for five years. We have one four-year-old

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01:52:14,560 --> 01:52:22,320
and six-year-old girls. We move down to St. Carlos to raise our family. This morning, we're walking

1355
01:52:22,320 --> 01:52:28,400
to school with our kids. Our four-year-old girl was Kim Ben asking if we needed to move out

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01:52:28,400 --> 01:52:33,840
as in Carlos, perhaps we had to move out of our country, because she is very conservative guns.

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And please, for for a motitarian, in the sake of our future generation here. Thank you.

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01:52:40,960 --> 01:52:49,840
Thank you. Jonathan Chan followed by Stephanie Lai followed by Joanne Sorrell.

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01:52:51,680 --> 01:52:57,440
Thank you, Councilman. Members, my name is Jonathan Chan. I've been a resident of St. Carlos for five years.

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I believe that there is urgency for more time that wants more time. To me, a highly efficient

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01:53:05,760 --> 01:53:13,200
for-profit business that is supplying guns and demos in turn neighborhoods in her community is a

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01:53:13,200 --> 01:53:17,920
compelling community interest. And one in particular that they've said could stay in our community for

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01:53:17,920 --> 01:53:26,560
decades as a plan. To me that that wants urgency. And I also, unfortunately, take issue with some of the

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01:53:26,560 --> 01:53:34,240
comments today, or to make me even more concerned and disturbed about turn as a business.

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01:53:35,360 --> 01:53:43,680
You know, some of their comments were highly legalistic, and they were suggestive of taking legal

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01:53:43,680 --> 01:53:50,960
action against our county for our process. And to me, that strikes a question in my mind whether they

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01:53:51,040 --> 01:53:57,040
are really looking out to become great partners for our community. So again, to me, warrants,

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01:53:57,840 --> 01:54:04,400
you can more reason to have a moratorium so you can actually spend some time and consider the issues.

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01:54:04,400 --> 01:54:09,360
You know, we live in exceptional times when two of the, two of the, you know, as large as

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01:54:09,360 --> 01:54:15,200
mass killings in America have occurred in the last two months. Unfortunately, they've been tied to

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a mass killing and so for these reasons, I think it's wise for us to take some time and to really

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consider whether they should be in our community. Okay, thank you for your comments.

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01:54:26,240 --> 01:54:30,880
Stephanie Live, followed by Joanne Surail, followed by Michelle Surail.

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01:54:34,160 --> 01:54:40,080
Hello, my name is Dr. Stephanie Live. I'm a pediatrician board certified in fellow of the American

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01:54:40,080 --> 01:54:44,400
County of Pediatrics for four years. I'm also a resident of St. Carlos for three years.

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And here today to express my concern with the proposed new guns during St. Carlos,

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01:54:49,840 --> 01:54:55,600
I do understand that guns are heavily regulated and in an ideal world, they would only be used safely

1378
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for sports and protect us from those who want to harm us. However, we do not live in an ideal world.

1379
01:55:04,560 --> 01:55:09,680
You have to look at how guns are actually used in our society. You and your loved ones are more likely

1380
01:55:09,680 --> 01:55:14,400
to be injured by having a gun in your home than you are from using it to protect your family. This is

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01:55:14,400 --> 01:55:20,800
a fact. For every time a gun is used in self-defense in the home, there are seven assaults or murders,

1382
01:55:20,800 --> 01:55:28,320
11 attempted suicides and four accidents involving guns. As a pediatrician, I have seen this first hand.

1383
01:55:29,040 --> 01:55:33,120
I've taken care of a teenager who tried to kill himself by putting a shotgun in his mouth,

1384
01:55:33,680 --> 01:55:37,280
only to miss due to the kickback and severely disfigure his face.

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Some would say he's got one of the lucky ones because he survives. I also take care of two children who are

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01:55:45,120 --> 01:55:50,880
essentially now orphans because their father shot their mother in a fit of rage. So he's in prison and

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their mother is dead. I stand with Dr. Rene, Dr. Navec, who you've heard, the American

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01:55:57,280 --> 01:56:05,440
County Piatrics and over 60 community physicians and growing who believe that we cannot guarantee

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01:56:05,440 --> 01:56:10,320
until we can guarantee that guns are used only for protection. The only way to keep our children and

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01:56:10,320 --> 01:56:14,720
families safe from gun violence is to keep them out of our community and this means prohibiting

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01:56:14,720 --> 01:56:19,600
new gun stores. So I hope you strongly consider this moratorium and a more permanent ban on gun stores

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in the future. Thank you. Thank you. If you're comments, Joanne Surail, followed by Michelle Surail,

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followed by Brooke Silpcibly.

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Good evening. I need Mr. Joanne Surail. I'm a resident of St. Carlos for the last 35 years.

1395
01:56:37,760 --> 01:56:46,160
Sorry. I've worked as a realtor for St. Carlos. I have worked as an after school art teacher

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01:56:46,160 --> 01:56:54,080
in St. Carlos at all the schools. I'm a mother. I'm a grandmother. This is hopefully some good

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01:56:54,080 --> 01:57:01,440
will come out of some bad. I am used to stand Carlos being the city of good living. I think we had

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01:57:01,440 --> 01:57:09,040
a failure in communications. We have newsletters. We have websites on the website. We have shape

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01:57:09,040 --> 01:57:16,080
California informed California. We've been asked about the cannabis. We've been asked about smoking.

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01:57:16,960 --> 01:57:23,200
Why were we not asked about this? I have spent all we have and the notice was given to the

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01:57:23,200 --> 01:57:31,280
mayor and the city council a week ago and this whole process has gone on. It is in direct

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01:57:31,920 --> 01:57:38,640
opposition to how things usually happen in St. Carlos. There's an economic development plan that states

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01:57:38,640 --> 01:57:47,920
land use. We have a formula. Locations, stores over 10 that we decide whether we want them in our

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01:57:47,920 --> 01:57:56,000
city or not. A previous development manager Mark Saywick said there are lots of businesses

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01:57:56,000 --> 01:58:02,800
interested in St. Carlos, but there's not always opportunities for them. We said no to Apple. How can

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01:58:02,800 --> 01:58:13,520
we say yes to a firearm store and why do we not know? I don't have PowerPoint. This is an

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01:58:13,520 --> 01:58:23,040
older girl. I have to show you that not only are we not only is the location surrounded by children's

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01:58:23,040 --> 01:58:33,600
play areas. There's also RAI, roadrunner's sports, go get sports, there's marine, everything.

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01:58:33,600 --> 01:58:40,800
We have lots of sports stores. I'm sorry your time is up, ma'am. Sorry. Thank you for your time.

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01:58:40,800 --> 01:58:44,800
Thank you all of the people who came here to absolutely please. Please do that.

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To the city clerk and we'll make sure it's part of the record. I have a hundred petitions from

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01:58:49,360 --> 01:58:56,320
holders of businesses on Laurel Street and the principal and vice principal at Central.

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01:58:56,320 --> 01:59:04,720
Okay. Thank you very much. Michelle Surail, followed by Brooks Siddly, followed by Dirk Kinley.

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01:59:05,440 --> 01:59:11,360
Hi, city council members. My name is Michelle Surail and I'm a mother of two small children and a

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01:59:11,360 --> 01:59:18,160
San Carlos resident. I'm also an ex president of the San Carlos youth softball association.

1416
01:59:18,960 --> 01:59:27,520
I urge you to vote in support of a new gun store moratorium. Every day, 93 Americans are killed with guns.

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01:59:28,560 --> 01:59:33,920
Seven children are killed with guns in the U.S. on an average day in the United States.

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01:59:34,640 --> 01:59:44,480
Colin Bine, Virginia Tech, Aurora, Newton, Charleston, San Bernardino, Orlando, Las Vegas.

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01:59:45,200 --> 01:59:52,480
I will not have saying Carlos we next or any other town on the peninsula or in any surrounding

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01:59:52,480 --> 01:59:59,920
community where someone can purchase this hangan at turners. Please vote in favor of a moratorium.

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02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:03,000
On you guys door opening and saying Carlos, thank you.

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02:00:03,000 --> 02:00:15,000
Thank you for your comments. Brooks Sibli, followed by Dirk Kinley, followed by Jenny Woodrow.

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02:00:15,000 --> 02:00:20,000
Hello. I'm Brooks Sibli. I am a San Carlos resident. I've lived here for about five years.

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02:00:20,000 --> 02:00:25,000
I'm also a former teacher from the San Mateo Foster City School District.

1425
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And I would like to share with you a little bit about what it was like to be a teacher.

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I miss all of these mass school shootings.

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We were trained in how to grab our students' desks and shove them up against the doors to create barricades.

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In case there was an active shooter on campus.

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We were trained how to locate the best corner of the room to hide our students.

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In case a mass shooter was peaking in through an uncovered window.

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02:00:58,000 --> 02:01:06,000
We were told to instruct our students to run in as the exact pattern on the playground.

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If there were being shot at a recess.

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02:01:09,000 --> 02:01:15,000
So this is not the country that I think this is not what I want for San Carlos.

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02:01:15,000 --> 02:01:18,000
So I am here to voice my support for a march.

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I'm on the gun store. Thank you.

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02:01:20,000 --> 02:01:23,000
Thank you for your comments.

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02:01:23,000 --> 02:01:29,000
Dirk Kinley, followed by Jenny Woodrow, followed by Danielle Van Wirt.

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02:01:29,000 --> 02:01:32,000
Dirk Kinley, I am the San Carlos resident.

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02:01:32,000 --> 02:01:34,000
I've been for the last eight years.

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02:01:34,000 --> 02:01:42,000
I bring the perspective of a father of three young kids as well as a real estate agent,

1441
02:01:42,000 --> 02:01:46,000
commercial property owner in San Carlos also.

1442
02:01:46,000 --> 02:01:49,000
I support the moratorium.

1443
02:01:49,000 --> 02:01:55,000
I think in a few levels I think it's been fairly voiced by a lot of people before me.

1444
02:01:55,000 --> 02:02:03,000
The fear is about having firearms and specifically what I see is a high-density of firearms in a small community.

1445
02:02:03,000 --> 02:02:06,000
It does scare me. Kids are curious.

1446
02:02:06,000 --> 02:02:13,000
If you're curious too, you can also look out there for data and what I've seen in terms of interesting data.

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02:02:13,000 --> 02:02:18,000
Professor Stanford Law Professor John Donny, you put out a study in June.

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02:02:18,000 --> 02:02:20,000
Probably see that coming up.

1449
02:02:20,000 --> 02:02:23,000
Not enough time to really talk about that right here.

1450
02:02:23,000 --> 02:02:28,000
I think that putting that aside on the property standpoint.

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02:02:28,000 --> 02:02:34,000
Even if you're not scared about guns, look at what brings people in San Carlos and it's not guns.

1452
02:02:34,000 --> 02:02:40,000
Property values are brought here and sustained by being a small community and a safe community.

1453
02:02:40,000 --> 02:02:48,000
Think about the perception of the buyer coming in and looking at single family homes would not.

1454
02:02:48,000 --> 02:02:51,000
Thank you for your comments.

1455
02:02:52,000 --> 02:02:56,000
Jenny Woodell followed by Danielle VanWord followed by Laura Palmer.

1456
02:02:56,000 --> 02:02:57,000
Hello.

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02:03:01,000 --> 02:03:05,000
Hi. My name is Jenny Woodell. I am a business and college resident for 15 years.

1458
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My husband and I are raising our three children here.

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I am also the director of a community-based preschool hand-tongue.

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And I ask that you all vote for my favorite moratorium tonight.

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Thank you.

1462
02:03:15,000 --> 02:03:17,000
Thank you for your comment.

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02:03:17,000 --> 02:03:20,000
Danielle VanWord followed by Laura Palmer.

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02:03:20,000 --> 02:03:23,000
Low hand followed by Ruth Donahue.

1465
02:03:23,000 --> 02:03:26,000
Good evening. My name is Danielle VanWord.

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02:03:26,000 --> 02:03:31,000
I am a 14-year resident of San Carlos and I support the moratorium.

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02:03:31,000 --> 02:03:37,000
And first of all, while I appreciate Turner's representatives being here this evening to discuss their business with us.

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I'd like to dispute their claim that the federal case of heller supports their right to self-fire arms in San Carlos.

1469
02:03:43,000 --> 02:03:44,000
That statement is incorrect.

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Heller is no longer the controlling legal authority on the issue.

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As of last month, the 9th Circuit handed down the case of Tashara versus the county of Alameda.

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Which specifically said that the county of Alameda could regulate gun sales in its county.

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And that while there's a second amendment right to own guns and use guns, there's no second amendment right to sell guns in the location of one's choosing.

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That aside, what you're being asked to do is pass a moratorium to consider a zoning ordinance that restricts gun sales in our community.

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And that is absolutely within our communities right to do so.

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02:04:15,000 --> 02:04:23,000
The California Constitution recognizes that it is the community that is ultimately responsible for protecting the health and the welfare of its citizens.

1477
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And to decide what types of businesses it wants year.

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And whether those businesses reflect the character and the values of its community.

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02:04:30,000 --> 02:04:32,000
And that's what this moratorium does.

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We would be in good company there only over 25 cities and counties in the state of California that have enacted similar measures.

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Many of them under a moratorium and federal case law after federal case law has upheld those regulations and bound them to be lawful.

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And the reason is that there is a real connection between public safety and the availability of guns in a community.

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02:04:53,000 --> 02:05:01,000
In 2015 nearly 500 firearms were reported lost or stolen by federally licensed fire on dealers and California such as turners.

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Between 2013 and 2015 guns for burglaries by 28%.

1485
02:05:06,000 --> 02:05:11,000
And sadly and most recently in the Journal of Public Health there was an academic study.

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The demonstrated a correlation between the number of firearms available in a community and significantly higher homicide rates.

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I can go on and on because sadly the social science and the statistical support for my position is voluminous.

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I'm sorry you're out of time, but thank you for your comments.

1489
02:05:29,000 --> 02:05:31,000
I'm sorry.

1490
02:05:31,000 --> 02:05:33,000
Let's keep it straight here.

1491
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Laura Palmer, low hand followed by Ruth Donahue, followed by Susan Sway, I may miss that one.

1492
02:05:40,000 --> 02:05:41,000
Hi.

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02:05:41,000 --> 02:05:43,000
Hi, City Council Mayor staff.

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02:05:43,000 --> 02:05:44,000
My name is Laura Palmer, low hand.

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02:05:44,000 --> 02:05:46,000
I'm a resident of San Carlos and I'm a mother.

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02:05:46,000 --> 02:05:51,000
I respectfully stand with my neighbors and ask that you vote for a moratorium on turners gun store.

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02:05:51,000 --> 02:05:54,000
I also am looking for peace of mind.

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02:05:54,000 --> 02:05:58,000
I think it's important for us to study the impact that this will have.

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02:05:58,000 --> 02:06:06,000
Some of the comments made by the representatives of Turner make me think that increased police support will be required for a retail store of this kind.

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My understanding is that public safety makes up half of the San Carlos budget.

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When I've learned recently is that with the additional retail stores and additional tax revenues coming into our community.

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02:06:17,000 --> 02:06:20,000
And I asked what will happen with those revenues.

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02:06:20,000 --> 02:06:25,000
I understand that majority of those are going to go for public safety.

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02:06:25,000 --> 02:06:35,000
So it's not as if our city can really afford additional taxes on public safety resources.

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And despite all of the obligations and fulfillment of the compliance that Turner has offered us.

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There's one fact that they can't dispute and that is the fact that once the sale of the gun is made.

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Turner's has no control over what happens with that weapon.

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Thank you.

1509
02:06:51,000 --> 02:06:53,000
Thank you for your comments.

1510
02:06:53,000 --> 02:06:56,000
Ruth got a few followed by Susan.

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02:06:56,000 --> 02:06:57,000
I'm sorry.

1512
02:06:57,000 --> 02:06:58,000
It's me or where.

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02:06:58,000 --> 02:06:59,000
Wherever it is.

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And followed by Phillip Abrams.

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02:07:00,000 --> 02:07:01,000
I'm a news risk.

1516
02:07:01,000 --> 02:07:03,000
I'm a resident of San Carlos.

1517
02:07:03,000 --> 02:07:05,000
I've lived here for 15 years.

1518
02:07:05,000 --> 02:07:06,000
I have three children.

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02:07:06,000 --> 02:07:08,000
And we frequent that area.

1520
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Where the Turner's store is planning to open.

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02:07:12,000 --> 02:07:17,000
And my concern here is that.

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Turner has done a lot to protect their property.

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02:07:20,000 --> 02:07:24,000
They're going to set up these concrete barriers.

1524
02:07:24,000 --> 02:07:27,000
To prevent, you know, people from stealing of their guns.

1525
02:07:27,000 --> 02:07:30,000
My question is as Turner says said.

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Gun things are not smartest.

1527
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They're going to do stupid things.

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What is the city going to do to protect the people around it?

1529
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Thank you.

1530
02:07:38,000 --> 02:07:39,000
Thank you for your comments.

1531
02:07:39,000 --> 02:07:41,000
Susan and I apologize.

1532
02:07:41,000 --> 02:07:43,000
You'll have to say it for me.

1533
02:07:43,000 --> 02:07:44,000
I'm sorry.

1534
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Followed by Phillip Abrams.

1535
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Followed by Joan Abrams.

1536
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All right.

1537
02:07:48,000 --> 02:07:49,000
My name is Susan Sway.

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02:07:49,000 --> 02:07:50,000
I get it.

1539
02:07:50,000 --> 02:07:51,000
Quickly.

1540
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Okay.

1541
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And I am a resident of San Carlos for 15 years.

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02:07:55,000 --> 02:07:58,000
I'm a business owner in San Carlos.

1543
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And I'm a mother of two children.

1544
02:08:00,000 --> 02:08:03,000
And I support the moratorium.

1545
02:08:03,000 --> 02:08:07,000
And I'm totally heartened to see all my friends out here.

1546
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Who believe in the same as I do.

1547
02:08:10,000 --> 02:08:16,000
It's really encouraging that San Carlos has shown up at this meeting to let you know how we feel.

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Thank you.

1549
02:08:17,000 --> 02:08:18,000
Thank you for your comments.

1550
02:08:18,000 --> 02:08:22,000
Phillip Abrams followed by Joan Abrams followed by Jessica Zander.

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02:08:22,000 --> 02:08:31,000
The city council members thanks for your hard work.

1552
02:08:31,000 --> 02:08:32,000
I don't know if you have.

1553
02:08:32,000 --> 02:08:34,000
I'm pretty sure it's very much.

1554
02:08:34,000 --> 02:08:35,000
It's a planner.

1555
02:08:35,000 --> 02:08:36,000
It's a city attorney.

1556
02:08:36,000 --> 02:08:37,000
Thank you so much.

1557
02:08:37,000 --> 02:08:38,000
I'm filled.

1558
02:08:38,000 --> 02:08:39,000
Abrams.

1559
02:08:39,000 --> 02:08:40,000
My life.

1560
02:08:40,000 --> 02:08:41,000
Joan is here.

1561
02:08:41,000 --> 02:08:43,000
We brought our first house in San Carlos.

1562
02:08:43,000 --> 02:08:44,000
When we were 23.

1563
02:08:44,000 --> 02:08:46,000
The house we're in now.

1564
02:08:46,000 --> 02:08:47,000
When we were 29.

1565
02:08:47,000 --> 02:08:50,000
We just have my 7 second birthday last week.

1566
02:08:50,000 --> 02:08:51,000
So my God.

1567
02:08:51,000 --> 02:08:53,000
How old am I?

1568
02:08:53,000 --> 02:08:56,000
I'm a past president of the Coranis Club in town.

1569
02:08:56,000 --> 02:09:02,000
Past president of the Friends of the San Carlos adult community center.

1570
02:09:02,000 --> 02:09:04,000
I'm very service boards.

1571
02:09:04,000 --> 02:09:07,000
I grew up in the very early in San Mateo.

1572
02:09:07,000 --> 02:09:13,000
Now it's a great place to be raised and to be a young person.

1573
02:09:13,000 --> 02:09:17,000
But living in San Carlos has been even more wonderful.

1574
02:09:17,000 --> 02:09:21,000
San Carlos has the best possible character as a city.

1575
02:09:21,000 --> 02:09:22,000
A city.

1576
02:09:22,000 --> 02:09:27,000
One with one to raise one's family in which we did.

1577
02:09:27,000 --> 02:09:32,000
I own 30 retail stores.

1578
02:09:32,000 --> 02:09:37,000
In with our first family store in Burlington.

1579
02:09:37,000 --> 02:09:39,000
Our second store in San Francisco.

1580
02:09:39,000 --> 02:09:46,000
I know what it's like to run retail stores.

1581
02:09:46,000 --> 02:09:50,000
And understand the needs of retail organizations.

1582
02:09:50,000 --> 02:09:53,000
I have an affinity for retail businesses.

1583
02:09:53,000 --> 02:09:57,000
I have nothing against folks only on purchasing guns.

1584
02:09:57,000 --> 02:10:02,000
But as with my store locations, the malls, avenue strip centers.

1585
02:10:02,000 --> 02:10:05,000
They were involved in the mix of businesses.

1586
02:10:05,000 --> 02:10:11,000
As were the city planners and the city councils for all of our stores.

1587
02:10:11,000 --> 02:10:15,000
They were very much involved in the kind of business.

1588
02:10:15,000 --> 02:10:19,000
And that came to change in our city.

1589
02:10:19,000 --> 02:10:25,000
They looked at how certain retail owners would affect the culture and parents of their city.

1590
02:10:25,000 --> 02:10:30,000
I would suggest that we do not need a large retailer selling guns in our city.

1591
02:10:30,000 --> 02:10:31,000
We have a gun shop.

1592
02:10:31,000 --> 02:10:34,000
There's a big five within five minutes of us.

1593
02:10:34,000 --> 02:10:36,000
It sells many, many guns.

1594
02:10:36,000 --> 02:10:40,000
I believe that in large gun store will change the character of our city.

1595
02:10:40,000 --> 02:10:44,000
And we have our children living locally.

1596
02:10:44,000 --> 02:10:45,000
So, thank you.

1597
02:10:45,000 --> 02:10:47,000
Thank you for your comments.

1598
02:10:47,000 --> 02:10:52,000
Joan Abrams followed by Jessica Zander followed by Wendy Bostis.

1599
02:11:03,000 --> 02:11:04,000
My name is Joan Abrams.

1600
02:11:04,000 --> 02:11:07,000
I've lived in San Carlos for 47 years.

1601
02:11:07,000 --> 02:11:11,000
I think it makes us the oldest people here tonight.

1602
02:11:11,000 --> 02:11:17,000
I strongly urge the council members to support the moratorium.

1603
02:11:17,000 --> 02:11:24,000
I don't feel that turners is a business that will enhance the community.

1604
02:11:24,000 --> 02:11:28,000
And I don't want to hear in our time.

1605
02:11:28,000 --> 02:11:29,000
Thank you.

1606
02:11:29,000 --> 02:11:31,000
Thank you for your comments.

1607
02:11:31,000 --> 02:11:36,000
Jessica Zander followed by Wendy Bostis followed by Kelly Markson.

1608
02:11:36,000 --> 02:11:41,000
Hi.

1609
02:11:41,000 --> 02:11:47,000
My name is Jessica Zander and I've lived and worked in San Carlos for the past four years.

1610
02:11:47,000 --> 02:11:52,000
I have two children who attend San Carlos public schools.

1611
02:11:52,000 --> 02:11:57,000
I support the moratorium to block new gun stores from opening in San Carlos.

1612
02:11:57,000 --> 02:12:04,000
For me, it comes down to the fact as it's been widely documented that more guns equal more gun violence.

1613
02:12:05,000 --> 02:12:07,000
We have one gun store already in San Carlos.

1614
02:12:07,000 --> 02:12:10,000
We do not need another one.

1615
02:12:10,000 --> 02:12:15,000
I have 51 signatures of San Carlos residents who could not be here tonight to speak,

1616
02:12:15,000 --> 02:12:18,000
but who also support the moratorium.

1617
02:12:18,000 --> 02:12:19,000
Thank you for your time.

1618
02:12:19,000 --> 02:12:20,000
Thank you.

1619
02:12:24,000 --> 02:12:28,000
Wendy Bostis followed by Kelly Markson followed by Leslie Duhant.

1620
02:12:28,000 --> 02:12:33,000
Hello.

1621
02:12:33,000 --> 02:12:34,000
I'm Wendy.

1622
02:12:34,000 --> 02:12:36,000
I am a 16 year resident of San Carlos.

1623
02:12:36,000 --> 02:12:38,000
I have two kids here.

1624
02:12:38,000 --> 02:12:39,000
I'll be brief.

1625
02:12:39,000 --> 02:12:46,000
I just want to say I'm worried about the additional crime that this could bring to the community and the strain on our law enforcement.

1626
02:12:46,000 --> 02:12:48,000
And I support the moratorium.

1627
02:12:48,000 --> 02:12:49,000
Okay.

1628
02:12:49,000 --> 02:12:51,000
Thank you for your comments.

1629
02:12:51,000 --> 02:12:56,000
Kelly Markson followed by Leslie Duhant followed by Mari and as Woodson.

1630
02:12:56,000 --> 02:13:00,000
Hello.

1631
02:13:00,000 --> 02:13:05,000
As a mother of two young children, I'm strongly opposed to another gun store opening in San Carlos.

1632
02:13:05,000 --> 02:13:11,000
This new store would introduce more guns in the community which would without a doubt make it less safe.

1633
02:13:11,000 --> 02:13:18,000
More guns mean more violence, more burglaries, more suicides, more accidental deaths.

1634
02:13:18,000 --> 02:13:20,000
This is not what we want in our community.

1635
02:13:20,000 --> 02:13:25,000
I'm in strong favor of the moratorium and ask the city council to vote in favor of thank you.

1636
02:13:25,000 --> 02:13:28,000
Thank you for comments.

1637
02:13:28,000 --> 02:13:35,000
Leslie Duhant followed by Mari in as Woodson followed by Conan Low.

1638
02:13:35,000 --> 02:13:36,000
Hello and good evening.

1639
02:13:36,000 --> 02:13:37,000
My name is Leslie Duhant.

1640
02:13:37,000 --> 02:13:41,000
I'm a very happy St. Carlos resident for 15 years.

1641
02:13:41,000 --> 02:13:46,000
Mother of two children and a strongly and wholeheartedly support this moratorium.

1642
02:13:46,000 --> 02:13:54,000
I was shocked and appalled to learn that another gun store would even be considered opening up in our city of good living.

1643
02:13:54,000 --> 02:13:57,000
How did it get this far and how come we didn't know.

1644
02:13:57,000 --> 02:14:04,000
The statements from the Turner representatives stating that they're just another RAI is completely false.

1645
02:14:04,000 --> 02:14:12,000
What they didn't tell you which is posted on their website very clearly is that they are actively working to reverse California gun safety laws.

1646
02:14:12,000 --> 02:14:14,000
Keeping our children safe.

1647
02:14:14,000 --> 02:14:20,000
They are actively working to make it easier and simpler to secure a semi automatic firearms.

1648
02:14:20,000 --> 02:14:22,000
Why do we want this in our community?

1649
02:14:22,000 --> 02:14:25,000
I don't understand.

1650
02:14:25,000 --> 02:14:28,000
Thank you for your time and consider this moratorium.

1651
02:14:28,000 --> 02:14:30,000
Thank you for your comment.

1652
02:14:30,000 --> 02:14:37,000
Mari in as Woodson followed by Conan Low followed by Bill Schupler.

1653
02:14:37,000 --> 02:14:39,000
Hello, my name is Maddenez Woodson.

1654
02:14:39,000 --> 02:14:45,000
I've lived in San Carlos for eight years and I'm raising two young daughters to attend our public schools.

1655
02:14:45,000 --> 02:14:50,000
We cherish our community and our proud of living in the city of good living.

1656
02:14:50,000 --> 02:14:53,000
I see no place for additional gun stores in our town.

1657
02:14:53,000 --> 02:14:58,000
And I hope this moratorium on gun stores in San Carlos is granted.

1658
02:14:58,000 --> 02:15:00,000
And thank you for hearing me and my felt.

1659
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:02,000
Hello, like-minded townspeople.

1660
02:15:02,000 --> 02:15:04,000
Thank you for your comments.

1661
02:15:04,000 --> 02:15:08,000
Conan Love, followed by Bill Shep, excuse me, Shepler.

1662
02:15:08,000 --> 02:15:12,000
Shepler, Sarah Hick, and followed by Sarah Hickie.

1663
02:15:12,000 --> 02:15:13,000
Sorry, go ahead.

1664
02:15:13,000 --> 02:15:16,000
Hi, my name is Conan Love. I'm a San Carlos resident

1665
02:15:16,000 --> 02:15:18,000
I've lived here for 11 years.

1666
02:15:18,000 --> 02:15:21,000
I actually grew up in Cupertino, which is just south of here.

1667
02:15:21,000 --> 02:15:23,000
And the news that a new gun store was attempting to open

1668
02:15:23,000 --> 02:15:27,000
and same vicinity as the place where we take our kids to get their swimming lessons.

1669
02:15:27,000 --> 02:15:30,000
We go to buy their cold-buster smoothies when they're sick.

1670
02:15:30,000 --> 02:15:34,000
I brought back a wave of memories from an event that happened when I was in high school.

1671
02:15:34,000 --> 02:15:38,000
This is my yearbook from 1993 at Monavista.

1672
02:15:38,000 --> 02:15:44,000
And right back here, you can see there's a memorial to our friend Anna.

1673
02:15:44,000 --> 02:15:50,000
Anna was a freshman that I knew, and in February of that year, she was shot and killed by a bullet

1674
02:15:50,000 --> 02:15:54,000
from a 44th Magnum that was fired into her forehead.

1675
02:15:54,000 --> 02:15:58,000
It was a horrific end to an argument that she was having with her boyfriend

1676
02:15:58,000 --> 02:16:00,000
while they were at a Super Bowl party.

1677
02:16:00,000 --> 02:16:03,000
And even more tragic was the fact that she had obtained the weapon

1678
02:16:03,000 --> 02:16:07,000
for him previously from her father's own gun collection.

1679
02:16:07,000 --> 02:16:10,000
The thing that I remember most from that February,

1680
02:16:10,000 --> 02:16:13,000
aside from the sadness and the shock of her murder,

1681
02:16:13,000 --> 02:16:17,000
was a way that her father cried at the memorial service.

1682
02:16:17,000 --> 02:16:20,000
His whole body shook with the tremors as he saw

1683
02:16:20,000 --> 02:16:24,000
from the loss of the daughter that he had killed by his own firearm.

1684
02:16:24,000 --> 02:16:28,000
I remember saying to my mom that I've never seen a man that broken

1685
02:16:28,000 --> 02:16:31,000
and I never hope I have to see it do it again.

1686
02:16:31,000 --> 02:16:35,000
That was a completely unnecessary death of a 16-year-old girl

1687
02:16:35,000 --> 02:16:38,000
who was nice and sweet and had a life full of promise

1688
02:16:38,000 --> 02:16:41,000
that was immediately cut short and that's why I'm here.

1689
02:16:41,000 --> 02:16:44,000
We already have two gun stores in St. Carlos.

1690
02:16:44,000 --> 02:16:47,000
We certainly don't need a third and my opinion

1691
02:16:47,000 --> 02:16:50,000
we shouldn't have one located right next to where countless families

1692
02:16:50,000 --> 02:16:52,000
and family businesses are situated.

1693
02:16:52,000 --> 02:16:54,000
Please vote for the moratorium.

1694
02:16:54,000 --> 02:16:55,000
Thank you.

1695
02:16:55,000 --> 02:16:56,000
Take a few comments.

1696
02:16:56,000 --> 02:16:57,000
Folks, thank you.

1697
02:16:57,000 --> 02:17:01,000
They'll check their file by Sarah Hickey, followed by Analisa Baker.

1698
02:17:06,000 --> 02:17:07,000
Thank you.

1699
02:17:07,000 --> 02:17:10,000
I'm a 25-year resident of St. Carlos,

1700
02:17:10,000 --> 02:17:13,000
with a 100% voter participation record.

1701
02:17:14,000 --> 02:17:19,000
My wife is a St. Carlos native and a bona fide pillar of our community.

1702
02:17:19,000 --> 02:17:25,000
She's the co-founder and executive director of a vital county-wide nonprofit agency.

1703
02:17:25,000 --> 02:17:28,000
We are raising two future St. Carlos voters

1704
02:17:28,000 --> 02:17:32,000
who enthusiastically represent the city in seven different organized sports,

1705
02:17:32,000 --> 02:17:34,000
plus scouting.

1706
02:17:34,000 --> 02:17:37,000
I have been hunter and I know how it feels to shoot a firearm

1707
02:17:37,000 --> 02:17:39,000
for the purpose of sport.

1708
02:17:39,000 --> 02:17:43,000
My family and I ask that you vote in favor of the proposed moratorium

1709
02:17:43,000 --> 02:17:47,000
against additional gun shops in St. Carlos.

1710
02:17:47,000 --> 02:17:49,000
I've heard an overwhelming amount of discussion

1711
02:17:49,000 --> 02:17:52,000
on why St. Carlos should not add a gun's name

1712
02:17:52,000 --> 02:17:55,000
who's superstore to its retail portfolio.

1713
02:17:55,000 --> 02:17:57,000
My question is for our city manager and planners.

1714
02:17:57,000 --> 02:18:00,000
Why should we add a guns and ammo superstore

1715
02:18:00,000 --> 02:18:02,000
to our retail portfolio?

1716
02:18:02,000 --> 02:18:06,000
How is this the best value option for St. Carlos residents?

1717
02:18:07,000 --> 02:18:11,000
In my mind, responsible city management requires a clear vision

1718
02:18:11,000 --> 02:18:14,000
that takes into consideration the unique character of a city

1719
02:18:14,000 --> 02:18:17,000
and proactive planning, planning decisions

1720
02:18:17,000 --> 02:18:20,000
that result in a positive impact on both quality of life

1721
02:18:20,000 --> 02:18:22,000
and property value.

1722
02:18:22,000 --> 02:18:26,000
Given its unique gifts, St. Carlos has the luxury to pick

1723
02:18:26,000 --> 02:18:29,000
and choose its growth partners, ensuring a progressive culture

1724
02:18:29,000 --> 02:18:32,000
and sustainable prosperity for its citizens.

1725
02:18:33,000 --> 02:18:36,000
So how did we get to a place where a guns and ammo superstore

1726
02:18:36,000 --> 02:18:39,000
sets up a half mile down the street

1727
02:18:39,000 --> 02:18:42,000
for more Tesla designed and assembled its first cars?

1728
02:18:42,000 --> 02:18:45,000
This feels like a gigantic step backward.

1729
02:18:45,000 --> 02:18:49,000
I failed to see how a guns and ammo superstore meets the needs

1730
02:18:49,000 --> 02:18:52,000
and desires of St. Carlos, where is our vision

1731
02:18:52,000 --> 02:18:55,000
and where is our proactive planning?

1732
02:18:55,000 --> 02:18:59,000
Finally, anyone who compares Salinas or Palmdale to St. Carlos

1733
02:18:59,000 --> 02:19:02,000
has a severe lack of understanding of our community

1734
02:19:02,000 --> 02:19:04,000
and Silicon Valley in general?

1735
02:19:04,000 --> 02:19:06,000
Thank you for your comments.

1736
02:19:06,000 --> 02:19:09,000
Okay, go, come on.

1737
02:19:09,000 --> 02:19:14,000
Sarah Hickey, followed by Annelisa Baker, followed by Suzanne Bonser

1738
02:19:14,000 --> 02:19:16,000
or Boacher, I'm not your witch.

1739
02:19:16,000 --> 02:19:19,000
Hi, my name is Sarah Hickey

1740
02:19:19,000 --> 02:19:23,000
and I've been a resident of St. Carlos for the past six years.

1741
02:19:23,000 --> 02:19:25,000
I've got two boys, five and eight.

1742
02:19:25,000 --> 02:19:29,000
And I feel like it is my duty and behalf of my children

1743
02:19:29,000 --> 02:19:32,000
every other child in St. Carlos to approve this moratorium.

1744
02:19:32,000 --> 02:19:36,000
I think it was made very clear in the dialogue between all of you

1745
02:19:36,000 --> 02:19:39,000
council members and the representatives here from Turner

1746
02:19:39,000 --> 02:19:42,000
that we need a lot more dialogue about this issue.

1747
02:19:42,000 --> 02:19:45,000
I personally don't see that we need to have yet another gunstore

1748
02:19:45,000 --> 02:19:48,000
as so many other people of eloquently said.

1749
02:19:48,000 --> 02:19:52,000
So I won't belabor it, but I hope that you agree.

1750
02:19:52,000 --> 02:19:53,000
Thanks.

1751
02:19:53,000 --> 02:19:54,000
Thank you for your comments.

1752
02:19:54,000 --> 02:19:58,000
Annelisa Baker, followed by Susan Bouter,

1753
02:19:58,000 --> 02:20:00,000
followed by Sandy Althouse.

1754
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:05,000
My name is Annelisa Baker.

1755
02:20:05,000 --> 02:20:09,000
My family has owned business in Carlos since the mid 60s

1756
02:20:09,000 --> 02:20:12,000
and we own two commercial properties on Old County Road.

1757
02:20:12,000 --> 02:20:15,000
I'm a resident of St. Carlos on Belvedere for 11 years

1758
02:20:15,000 --> 02:20:18,000
and raised my two children here and I support the moratorium.

1759
02:20:18,000 --> 02:20:19,000
Thank you.

1760
02:20:19,000 --> 02:20:20,000
Thank you for your comments.

1761
02:20:20,000 --> 02:20:25,000
Susan Bouter, Sandy Althouse, followed by Amy Costa-Shack.

1762
02:20:25,000 --> 02:20:28,000
Susan Buller.

1763
02:20:28,000 --> 02:20:30,000
That's all right.

1764
02:20:30,000 --> 02:20:35,000
19-year resident raised two sons, public schools,

1765
02:20:35,000 --> 02:20:37,000
work in St. Carlos.

1766
02:20:37,000 --> 02:20:41,000
One son turns out, even though I'm not liking it,

1767
02:20:41,000 --> 02:20:43,000
turns out to like hunting.

1768
02:20:43,000 --> 02:20:44,000
He has two rifles.

1769
02:20:44,000 --> 02:20:45,000
He lives in Colorado.

1770
02:20:45,000 --> 02:20:48,000
I suggest Turner open a store in Colorado.

1771
02:20:49,000 --> 02:20:52,000
There's lots of hunting land there and there's people that will buy your guns.

1772
02:20:52,000 --> 02:20:56,000
I'm very fearful of the country we find ourselves in and more nervous about

1773
02:20:56,000 --> 02:20:59,000
what we are becoming when we are not safe in our schools,

1774
02:20:59,000 --> 02:21:01,000
listening to music or attending church.

1775
02:21:01,000 --> 02:21:05,000
We are not safe anywhere, perhaps even not safe in St. Carlos.

1776
02:21:05,000 --> 02:21:07,000
I urge the council to vote yes on a moratorium.

1777
02:21:07,000 --> 02:21:11,000
Let's take some time to inform our residents of this potential neighbor,

1778
02:21:11,000 --> 02:21:14,000
allow for input and more evaluation.

1779
02:21:14,000 --> 02:21:17,000
I believe most residents will want to have a say and learn more.

1780
02:21:17,000 --> 02:21:21,000
We are the city of good living, not the city of gun living.

1781
02:21:21,000 --> 02:21:23,000
Thank you for your comments.

1782
02:21:23,000 --> 02:21:29,000
Sandy Alcouse, followed by Amy Costa-Shack, followed by Karen Molinari.

1783
02:21:29,000 --> 02:21:34,000
I'm Sandy Alcouse.

1784
02:21:34,000 --> 02:21:36,000
I've lived here, most of my life.

1785
02:21:36,000 --> 02:21:41,000
I wasn't born here, but I was raised here and came back to raise our children

1786
02:21:41,000 --> 02:21:43,000
who are now off in college.

1787
02:21:43,000 --> 02:21:46,000
I just want to remind everybody I don't even have to remind everybody

1788
02:21:46,000 --> 02:21:53,000
because the sense of anxiety not only in this room over gun violence

1789
02:21:53,000 --> 02:21:57,000
is very strong, and of course in the United States,

1790
02:21:57,000 --> 02:22:00,000
with all the shootings that have happened recently, especially.

1791
02:22:00,000 --> 02:22:06,000
So I'm just hoping that St. Carlos can be a leader and say no to having this gun

1792
02:22:06,000 --> 02:22:07,000
store in town.

1793
02:22:07,000 --> 02:22:12,000
I also just want to say that the NRA fights tooth and nail to not lose any ground.

1794
02:22:12,000 --> 02:22:15,000
They're not willing to give up anything in this battle.

1795
02:22:15,000 --> 02:22:20,000
To keep guns flowing freely, and I think St. Carlos should be a leader

1796
02:22:20,000 --> 02:22:25,000
and say no to that and do what we can to keep as many guns off the street as possible.

1797
02:22:25,000 --> 02:22:26,000
Thank you.

1798
02:22:26,000 --> 02:22:28,000
Okay, thank you for your comments.

1799
02:22:28,000 --> 02:22:34,000
Amy Costa-Shack, followed by Karen Molinari, followed by Anki Rotomaker.

1800
02:22:34,000 --> 02:22:35,000
Rotomaker.

1801
02:22:35,000 --> 02:22:38,000
Sorry if I'd please name that.

1802
02:22:38,000 --> 02:22:39,000
Good evening.

1803
02:22:39,000 --> 02:22:41,000
My name is Amy Costa-Shack.

1804
02:22:41,000 --> 02:22:44,000
I am a pediatrician and a mother of two children.

1805
02:22:44,000 --> 02:22:49,000
And even proud or member of St. Carlos have been a resident here for 13 years,

1806
02:22:49,000 --> 02:22:51,000
and you guys really make me proud.

1807
02:22:51,000 --> 02:22:55,000
I am asking you to listen to the voices of St. Carlos's residents

1808
02:22:55,000 --> 02:22:59,000
to vote yes, and the moratorium on gun stores, and to ultimately prohibit future

1809
02:22:59,000 --> 02:23:02,000
gun stores from conducting business in St. Carlos.

1810
02:23:02,000 --> 02:23:07,000
Fire on related deaths are the third leading cause of death among children.

1811
02:23:07,000 --> 02:23:12,000
The American Academy of Pediatrics, as you have heard, has stated that the most

1812
02:23:12,000 --> 02:23:17,000
effective way to prevent fire on related injury to children is to keep guns out of

1813
02:23:17,000 --> 02:23:19,000
homes and communities.

1814
02:23:19,000 --> 02:23:25,000
The New York Times recently published a great meta-analysis with data showing a direct correlation

1815
02:23:25,000 --> 02:23:32,000
between more gun ownership and more related deaths across American states and cities.

1816
02:23:32,000 --> 02:23:37,000
I am here requesting that St. Carlos citizens have a say in our city's development

1817
02:23:37,000 --> 02:23:39,000
and the safety of our community.

1818
02:23:39,000 --> 02:23:44,000
Guns should not be sold within steps of stores that also cater to children.

1819
02:23:44,000 --> 02:23:48,000
Area residents have a wealth of options for purchasing firearms.

1820
02:23:48,000 --> 02:23:53,000
I helped at least 13 stores that sell guns from South San Francisco to Mountain View,

1821
02:23:53,000 --> 02:23:56,000
and we have at least one here in St. Carlos.

1822
02:23:56,000 --> 02:23:58,000
I've heard of two tonight.

1823
02:23:58,000 --> 02:24:03,000
Turner's promotes its firearms as sporting equipment and claims it takes safety measures.

1824
02:24:03,000 --> 02:24:07,000
As we've heard, history proves otherwise with robberies and other Turner stores

1825
02:24:07,000 --> 02:24:12,000
in Torn, San Bernardino, Riverside and Victorville, where multiple firearms were stolen

1826
02:24:12,000 --> 02:24:15,000
and they weren't used for sport.

1827
02:24:15,000 --> 02:24:20,000
Turner's was also responsible as we heard for selling two of the guns used in the San Bernardino

1828
02:24:20,000 --> 02:24:21,000
mass shooting.

1829
02:24:21,000 --> 02:24:28,000
We elected you to listen to act on the behalf of San Carlos residents and to keep our city safe.

1830
02:24:28,000 --> 02:24:34,000
Please don't be bullied by this gun store or gun activists who might not even live in the city

1831
02:24:34,000 --> 02:24:36,000
if they've been eating you.

1832
02:24:36,000 --> 02:24:39,000
Please do what's best for our families.

1833
02:24:39,000 --> 02:24:42,000
If I have one more moment.

1834
02:24:42,000 --> 02:24:43,000
Nope.

1835
02:24:43,000 --> 02:24:44,000
Thank you.

1836
02:24:44,000 --> 02:24:47,000
I'm trying to be fair to everybody here.

1837
02:24:47,000 --> 02:24:49,000
So Karen Molinari.

1838
02:24:49,000 --> 02:24:50,000
Followed by.

1839
02:24:50,000 --> 02:24:51,000
OK.

1840
02:24:51,000 --> 02:24:52,000
Rodamaker.

1841
02:24:52,000 --> 02:24:54,000
Followed by Joseph Stempelman.

1842
02:24:59,000 --> 02:25:01,000
Good evening, Council members.

1843
02:25:01,000 --> 02:25:03,000
My name is Karen Molinari and I want to thank you for bringing this.

1844
02:25:03,000 --> 02:25:07,000
Thank you for bringing this issue before the Council allowing for community engagement.

1845
02:25:07,000 --> 02:25:14,000
As the native San Carlin, who's raising the fourth generation of San Carlos residents and my family with my two children,

1846
02:25:14,000 --> 02:25:15,000
we've been her a long time.

1847
02:25:15,000 --> 02:25:17,000
I'm invested in this community.

1848
02:25:17,000 --> 02:25:23,000
My grandfather, a decorated World War II fire pilot taught me the love of country and honor of public service.

1849
02:25:23,000 --> 02:25:28,000
I spent 10 years working in state and federal government and I'm always thrilled to see large crowds at Council.

1850
02:25:28,000 --> 02:25:30,000
This is democracy at work.

1851
02:25:30,000 --> 02:25:34,000
As a 12 year old, I took my first gun safety course with my father, county point.

1852
02:25:34,000 --> 02:25:37,000
I have to say I was quite proud of my aim and abilities.

1853
02:25:37,000 --> 02:25:40,000
It has served me well at amusement park shooting galleries.

1854
02:25:40,000 --> 02:25:47,000
I am not anti gun, but tonight I speak as someone who's lost a family member to suicide by hand gun.

1855
02:25:47,000 --> 02:25:58,000
I also speak as a friend who nursed a college, a star college football player back to life after an attempt to suicide by hand gun.

1856
02:25:58,000 --> 02:26:03,000
He's now a quadruplegic and he speaks out about handgun violence.

1857
02:26:03,000 --> 02:26:06,000
This has touched my life.

1858
02:26:06,000 --> 02:26:10,000
We live in a high stress area and are all well aware of the increase of child suicide rate.

1859
02:26:10,000 --> 02:26:15,000
You've heard repeatedly tonight the data linking access to handguns and increased rate of suicide.

1860
02:26:15,000 --> 02:26:21,000
Please, do not add to this increase by allowing easier access to guns within our community.

1861
02:26:21,000 --> 02:26:25,000
We do not need a big box gun store or community's been served by Emberton Smithers.

1862
02:26:25,000 --> 02:26:34,000
I'm also concerned for our law enforcement officers who will be the first line of defense in dealing with any increased crime resulting from the stores presence in our community.

1863
02:26:34,000 --> 02:26:36,000
Please pass this march on.

1864
02:26:36,000 --> 02:26:38,000
Thank you for coming to folks folks.

1865
02:26:38,000 --> 02:26:39,000
Thank you.

1866
02:26:39,000 --> 02:26:40,000
Okay.

1867
02:26:40,000 --> 02:26:41,000
Red of maker.

1868
02:26:41,000 --> 02:26:42,000
Red of maker.

1869
02:26:42,000 --> 02:26:45,000
Joseph Stempleman and Susan Tatum.

1870
02:26:45,000 --> 02:26:46,000
Okay.

1871
02:26:46,000 --> 02:26:51,000
Is that okay here?

1872
02:26:51,000 --> 02:26:52,000
Okay.

1873
02:26:52,000 --> 02:26:54,000
We'll put that one aside.

1874
02:26:54,000 --> 02:26:55,000
Joseph Stempleman.

1875
02:26:55,000 --> 02:26:57,000
Paul by Susan Tatum.

1876
02:26:57,000 --> 02:26:59,000
Paul by Hillary Wissinger.

1877
02:26:59,000 --> 02:27:00,000
Hi.

1878
02:27:00,000 --> 02:27:01,000
My name is Joseph Stempleman.

1879
02:27:01,000 --> 02:27:04,000
17 year resident and father.

1880
02:27:04,000 --> 02:27:09,000
I think of two things I would add that have been said.

1881
02:27:09,000 --> 02:27:15,000
So I had been in that parking lot with my children on foot buying arts and crafts from home.

1882
02:27:15,000 --> 02:27:17,000
From from office depot.

1883
02:27:17,000 --> 02:27:19,000
I'm going to rob owner sports.

1884
02:27:19,000 --> 02:27:21,000
I've driven through there for other things.

1885
02:27:21,000 --> 02:27:23,000
There's often a Halloween store.

1886
02:27:23,000 --> 02:27:25,000
I don't know if there would be.

1887
02:27:25,000 --> 02:27:27,000
So often if there's a gun stop there.

1888
02:27:27,000 --> 02:27:32,000
I don't know if office depot has had a chance to speak up about this.

1889
02:27:32,000 --> 02:27:35,000
And on the other side of that fence, I've been at that job.

1890
02:27:35,000 --> 02:27:38,000
I bought dog food with my kids.

1891
02:27:38,000 --> 02:27:41,000
And I think one of the missing phrases here.

1892
02:27:41,000 --> 02:27:42,000
I'm not a lawyer.

1893
02:27:42,000 --> 02:27:44,000
I just is that appropriate.

1894
02:27:44,000 --> 02:27:46,000
It is one of it I ask you to consider.

1895
02:27:46,000 --> 02:27:52,000
The other thing I want to say is I do empathize that.

1896
02:27:52,000 --> 02:27:56,000
It's tough as a project appears to be approved.

1897
02:27:56,000 --> 02:28:00,000
The regulations are okay, but there's a change at the last minute.

1898
02:28:00,000 --> 02:28:02,000
But whether they sought us out for it.

1899
02:28:02,000 --> 02:28:06,000
Or if it was a happy or unhappy coincidence.

1900
02:28:06,000 --> 02:28:11,000
Turner, you found a community that just isn't ready or prepared for this.

1901
02:28:11,000 --> 02:28:13,000
Please give us more time.

1902
02:28:13,000 --> 02:28:15,000
Thank you for your comments.

1903
02:28:15,000 --> 02:28:19,000
Susan Tatum, followed by Hillary Whistinger, followed by Glenn Jellano.

1904
02:28:25,000 --> 02:28:27,000
Hi, I'm Susan Tatum.

1905
02:28:27,000 --> 02:28:29,000
I've lived here for 31 years.

1906
02:28:29,000 --> 02:28:35,000
I'm definitely supporting the moratorium.

1907
02:28:35,000 --> 02:28:37,000
Thank you.

1908
02:28:37,000 --> 02:28:39,000
Thank you.

1909
02:28:39,000 --> 02:28:43,000
I'd like to say that right hopefully Glenn Jellano, followed by Lisa Mackie.

1910
02:28:43,000 --> 02:28:45,000
Hillary?

1911
02:28:45,000 --> 02:28:49,000
I'll put that to the side in case Hillary comes later.

1912
02:28:49,000 --> 02:28:51,000
Glenn?

1913
02:28:51,000 --> 02:28:53,000
You're up.

1914
02:28:53,000 --> 02:28:55,000
Mr. Mayor, members of the council and staff.

1915
02:28:55,000 --> 02:28:57,000
Appreciate the opportunity to speak this evening.

1916
02:28:57,000 --> 02:29:01,000
I know there's a lot of emotion in this room regarding this issue.

1917
02:29:01,000 --> 02:29:07,000
And I have to say for me it's less of a second amendment issue.

1918
02:29:07,000 --> 02:29:09,000
The way I am pro-second amendment.

1919
02:29:09,000 --> 02:29:11,000
It's constitutionally enshrined.

1920
02:29:11,000 --> 02:29:15,000
It's been backed up by the Hillary and MacDonald decision as mentioned earlier.

1921
02:29:15,000 --> 02:29:18,000
But to me, this comes down to us since a fairness.

1922
02:29:18,000 --> 02:29:23,000
We had an applicant that came to the city willing to put in a retail business

1923
02:29:23,000 --> 02:29:25,000
in a properly zoned area.

1924
02:29:25,000 --> 02:29:30,000
Got no signal from the city that this would be disallowed.

1925
02:29:30,000 --> 02:29:34,000
He was encouraged to invest his money entered into a lease.

1926
02:29:34,000 --> 02:29:37,000
He has incurred debt as a result of that.

1927
02:29:37,000 --> 02:29:43,000
And just out of fairness, I kind of feel like the city is now trying to change the rules

1928
02:29:43,000 --> 02:29:44,000
after the game is started.

1929
02:29:44,000 --> 02:29:46,000
It's just fundamentally not fair.

1930
02:29:46,000 --> 02:29:49,000
It's not whether you're pro-gone or anti-gun.

1931
02:29:49,000 --> 02:29:52,000
As I said, those things have been enshrined.

1932
02:29:52,000 --> 02:29:57,000
We took a pledge of allegiance this evening.

1933
02:29:57,000 --> 02:30:00,000
In which it said, the right to pursue.

1934
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:05,680
Life, liberty, and happiness. Liberty is the freedom to engage in law-abiding activities.

1935
02:30:05,680 --> 02:30:12,560
It's a lawful owner of a lawful enterprise in this state and in this country.

1936
02:30:12,560 --> 02:30:18,960
And again, I just think you've changed the rules that the game has started, and I think

1937
02:30:18,960 --> 02:30:27,520
that's just patently unfair. I also remember just a few months ago that we took a vote,

1938
02:30:27,520 --> 02:30:31,520
or you can also members took a vote to make this a welcoming city.

1939
02:30:31,520 --> 02:30:37,280
Are we sitting in the message that law-abiding citizens engage in lawful activity?

1940
02:30:37,280 --> 02:30:41,360
Aren't welcome, but I leave a laylands are.

1941
02:30:41,360 --> 02:30:45,680
You had an opportunity to bring the issue up, as was mentioned before,

1942
02:30:45,680 --> 02:30:50,560
and entertain a gun debate. You chose not to do it.

1943
02:30:50,560 --> 02:30:54,320
Now, after the applicants invested money, now you want to bring it up.

1944
02:30:54,320 --> 02:30:58,720
I think if you want to go forward and have a future discussion, that's fine.

1945
02:30:58,720 --> 02:31:01,920
I think we're going to have an engine effect this applicant.

1946
02:31:01,920 --> 02:31:02,880
Thank you for your comments.

1947
02:31:05,280 --> 02:31:09,280
Lisa Mackie, followed by Steven Gonzales, followed by Richard Pierce.

1948
02:31:15,520 --> 02:31:20,400
Thank you, council members for listening to our community tonight. My name is Lisa Mackie.

1949
02:31:20,720 --> 02:31:24,720
I have two young boys, and have been a resident of St. Carlos for 13 years.

1950
02:31:26,080 --> 02:31:31,600
So overwhelming evidence points to a simple fact. More guns equals more violence.

1951
02:31:31,600 --> 02:31:36,640
Gunna availability has a positive correlation with violence. The scholarly data is clear.

1952
02:31:37,200 --> 02:31:46,000
Countries with more guns have more violence. States with more guns have more violence. The problem

1953
02:31:46,000 --> 02:31:51,200
is not the placement of more guns into the hands of law biding citizens in the Greater St. Carlos

1954
02:31:51,200 --> 02:31:56,720
area. It's the very, very likely chance that guns will make it into the hands of criminals.

1955
02:31:57,360 --> 02:32:04,720
On December 8, 2011, 25 iPads are stolen from the best-by-store in St. Carlos Marketplace.

1956
02:32:04,720 --> 02:32:08,000
It jays into the post-fire arms retail space.

1957
02:32:08,000 --> 02:32:14,320
Whilst, why steal from this store, it's incredibly close to Highway 101, making it very easy

1958
02:32:14,320 --> 02:32:19,760
for criminals to get away from the scene quickly. Note that the retail era for the proposed fire

1959
02:32:19,760 --> 02:32:26,240
am store has nearly unfettered access to Highway 101. Be the side exit of the parking lot on

1960
02:32:26,240 --> 02:32:35,680
to Britain Avenue. On May 22, 2016, the most into the storefront of Emberton Smithers and El Camino and St. Carlos.

1961
02:32:35,680 --> 02:32:40,400
The thieves were in the grab and unknown number of guns and get away and detected.

1962
02:32:41,040 --> 02:32:47,120
The implication is obvious. The store will be a target for thieves. This appears to be a very,

1963
02:32:47,120 --> 02:32:52,320
poorly thought-out proposal. It does not load well for the safety of our neighborhood to a

1964
02:32:52,320 --> 02:32:57,360
bit and another fire-armed store so close and I hope you will support the moratorium.

1965
02:32:57,360 --> 02:33:03,360
Thank you for your comments. Steving the Zollis followed by Richard Pierce followed by Demi McDermott.

1966
02:33:03,360 --> 02:33:12,880
I understand people are afraid of firearms because they are not familiar with it.

1967
02:33:12,880 --> 02:33:16,480
They don't have an education. Can I get everybody to turn around and look back at the police officers

1968
02:33:16,480 --> 02:33:21,760
please? Every one of them has a firearm. It's semi-automatic. We've been here three hours. Nothing

1969
02:33:21,760 --> 02:33:28,560
bad has happened. I need to say that I grew up in St. Carlos, 60s and 70s. I used to hand here and

1970
02:33:28,560 --> 02:33:34,880
I know we don't hunt anymore, but I still purchase items here, restaurants, and move up and down

1971
02:33:34,880 --> 02:33:40,800
up in insulin. My education for a firearm safety was from Inberton Smithers and Little Places like Turner.

1972
02:33:41,520 --> 02:33:47,200
I've taught maybe 60 kids over my lifetime firearm safety. I've heard parents talk about teaching

1973
02:33:47,200 --> 02:33:52,640
her kids respect for swimming. I respect for fire. I would suggest as a parent and grandparent.

1974
02:33:52,640 --> 02:33:56,800
We need to do the same thing for firearms. We're just the mayor of thought of a firearm puts

1975
02:33:56,960 --> 02:34:01,600
people in the frizzy or the way the law works now. It's a little sexual advice to

1976
02:34:01,600 --> 02:34:07,280
cooking a shape of a firearm if people go crazy. Turner is a reputable place. They work with the

1977
02:34:07,280 --> 02:34:13,040
NRA which is the largest education organization in this country. That's something they think we should

1978
02:34:13,040 --> 02:34:21,360
support. Thank you for your comments sir. Richard Pierce, followed by Demi McDermott, followed by Ralph

1979
02:34:21,360 --> 02:34:28,960
Bash. All right Mr. Pierce. Thank you. Demi McDermott, followed by Ralph Bash, followed by

1980
02:34:28,960 --> 02:34:46,800
Lee Solon. Ralph Left, OK? Demi McDermott, Ralph Left, so we'll go there. Lee Solon, followed by Chris Hunt.

1981
02:34:47,760 --> 02:34:53,760
Is it good to stay out for here? Followed by Lisa McCornay. It's Courtney.

1982
02:34:55,120 --> 02:35:03,520
Go ahead sir. Hi there. My name is Lee Solon. Thanks for getting my name right. My wife and I have been

1983
02:35:03,520 --> 02:35:10,720
raising our kids in this community for the last seven years and we're raising them in a country with a

1984
02:35:10,720 --> 02:35:16,800
gun problem. You know the stats? They're horrific. It's far too easy to buy a gun in America

1985
02:35:17,520 --> 02:35:23,920
and at the federal level our government refuses to do a thing about it other than offer gun victims

1986
02:35:23,920 --> 02:35:30,000
and their families their empty thoughts and prayers. Instead they've left it to us to do what little we

1987
02:35:30,000 --> 02:35:36,400
can to address this problem in our own communities. That's why I'm here. If another town wants another

1988
02:35:36,400 --> 02:35:44,800
gun store, that's up to them. I don't want one in mind. Mr Ortiz give a very thorough and detailed

1989
02:35:44,800 --> 02:35:52,000
account of everything that Turner's is going to do to try and protect our community from their products,

1990
02:35:53,280 --> 02:35:59,360
safe concrete barriers, background checks, whatnot. You know why all that is necessary

1991
02:36:00,560 --> 02:36:05,840
because guns are instruments of death. The best way to protect our community from them

1992
02:36:06,480 --> 02:36:13,200
is to keep them out of our community. I urge you to vote for the moratorium and to prevent any new gun

1993
02:36:13,200 --> 02:36:20,560
stores from opening in the future in St. Carlos. Thank you. Here you go. Folks, folks, folks, folks with

1994
02:36:20,560 --> 02:36:29,360
keep it together. Chris Hunt, Lisa Corney, Fog and Jordan Stockton.

1995
02:36:31,840 --> 02:36:37,360
My name is Chris Hunt. My wife and I have lived here for over 20 years and more to the point I have

1996
02:36:37,360 --> 02:36:43,840
cousin's relatives who live in San Diego Connecticut. It's been over two years and the town has not recovered

1997
02:36:43,840 --> 02:36:50,240
from the tragedy. My sister-in-law was a teacher at that school. She feels the town will never

1998
02:36:50,560 --> 02:36:57,120
recover. I encourage the council to vote for moratorium and to ultimately prevent and assault

1999
02:36:57,120 --> 02:37:02,880
weapons store from moving into St. Carlos. For those who think it is not an assault weapon store,

2000
02:37:02,880 --> 02:37:10,640
you can find right now the Ruger AR556 that was used in Solomon Springs on the Turner.com website.

2001
02:37:12,720 --> 02:37:17,680
There is no need to enable another assault weapon store. There is no need to enable another

2002
02:37:17,680 --> 02:37:24,320
Sandy Hook. Thank you. Thank you for your comments. Lisa Corney, followed by Jordan Stockton,

2003
02:37:24,320 --> 02:37:28,880
followed by Rob Koia. I'm not sure if I got that right. Lisa?

2004
02:37:33,760 --> 02:37:38,960
Hi, my name is Lisa Corney. Thank you for your time. I wrote a really great speech, but

2005
02:37:38,960 --> 02:37:44,560
everybody has covered it tonight very well. I just wanted to throw in my support with the wave of people's

2006
02:37:44,560 --> 02:37:51,200
strong feelings about you sitting on the moratorium. Thank you for your comment. Jordan Stockton,

2007
02:37:51,200 --> 02:38:02,080
followed by Rob Koia. Remain, Loprette. Mr Stockton? I wanted to thank the council for a lot of patience this

2008
02:38:02,080 --> 02:38:07,040
evening, but I also wanted to speak on two items and that was around the language we use to describe

2009
02:38:07,040 --> 02:38:12,560
what's before us tonight. And in a couple of occasions we have called the institution that we're

2010
02:38:12,560 --> 02:38:18,320
discussing a sporting goods store. Well, I have to say that roadrunner supports NRI and gets our

2011
02:38:18,320 --> 02:38:24,000
sporting goods stores, but a store that takes pride in the ability to sell semi-addict, semi-automatic

2012
02:38:24,000 --> 02:38:29,600
weapons late into the evening and considers that a differentiation commercially is not a sporting

2013
02:38:29,600 --> 02:38:36,960
good store or a store that I consider a sport at all. There's a second type of a term I thought would be

2014
02:38:37,840 --> 02:38:43,760
important to discuss. And that's the spirit of this discussion. This is not a zoning issue.

2015
02:38:44,480 --> 02:38:50,880
Zoning may be a way that we address a larger issue and that's that people came here in the spirit of

2016
02:38:50,880 --> 02:38:58,800
activism. As we talk about the number of deaths that happened in highly publicized events and talk

2017
02:38:58,800 --> 02:39:04,880
about how that is overshadowed by the 80 people per day killed by guns, we come here in a spirit of

2018
02:39:04,880 --> 02:39:11,920
being able to do something anything to stop what is before us. And so I am treated as counsel

2019
02:39:11,920 --> 02:39:17,040
in the spirit of doing anything they can to take these 45 days to contain the two years and do

2020
02:39:17,040 --> 02:39:22,880
it's right to get in front of what is an epidemic in the spirit of activism. Thank you for your comments.

2021
02:39:24,560 --> 02:39:29,360
Rob Cohen, Romain, Leprette, followed by Hannah Dores.

2022
02:39:29,360 --> 02:39:35,280
Yes. I thank you for the opportunity to speak. My name is Rob Cohen. I'm the father of four

2023
02:39:35,280 --> 02:39:42,160
boys who have been raised in the St. Carlos Public Schools. I'm a resident of St. Carlos for 15 years.

2024
02:39:42,880 --> 02:39:48,800
Why do I oppose a new gun store moving into the city that we love? If decreases public safety and

2025
02:39:48,800 --> 02:39:54,640
increases fear and anxiety, our children don't need more people with guns. Our law enforcement

2026
02:39:54,640 --> 02:39:59,840
doesn't need their job to be any more dangerous than it already is. It's ethically unthinkable

2027
02:39:59,840 --> 02:40:04,640
to allow a gun store to open up in the wake of some of the worst mass shootings in our country's history,

2028
02:40:04,640 --> 02:40:09,040
the statistics and the backdrop of depressing public health problems we have with guns.

2029
02:40:09,600 --> 02:40:15,680
As we've heard the existence of a store like this invites thieves who can and will breach attempts

2030
02:40:15,680 --> 02:40:21,040
to prevent break-ins. Again, as we've heard the link between the opportunity to purchase firearms

2031
02:40:21,120 --> 02:40:26,000
and the potential for violence in particular affecting our children is inextricable,

2032
02:40:26,000 --> 02:40:32,080
regardless of a store's compliance with laws. Contrary to Turner's claim, there should be no harm

2033
02:40:32,080 --> 02:40:36,080
to the landlord who would be likely able to lease the building to another commercial tenant in a

2034
02:40:36,080 --> 02:40:41,760
strong economy and there will be no harm to employees who haven't been hired yet. This isn't about

2035
02:40:41,760 --> 02:40:48,880
assault weapons. It's about the opportunistic sale of weapons full stop. People can and do assault

2036
02:40:48,880 --> 02:40:54,720
other people with them. In summary, we need time to stop, think, and assess the impact and

2037
02:40:54,720 --> 02:41:00,480
move like this would have. Blindly moving forward is simply irresponsible. Please vote for the

2038
02:41:00,480 --> 02:41:05,040
moratorium and consider turning Turner's away. Thank you, if you're coming.

2039
02:41:05,040 --> 02:41:34,960
Thank you so much. I'm new kid on the block.

2040
02:41:34,960 --> 02:41:41,680
Three years in San Carlos and I want to support the moratorium. In particular, I want to note that

2041
02:41:41,680 --> 02:41:50,960
I hope that you'll consider, hopefully adopting the moratorium but also making a special effort not to

2042
02:41:51,920 --> 02:42:00,080
have the current gun store be kind of like an open option for the future. So it's such time the current

2043
02:42:00,080 --> 02:42:05,680
gun store moves on that that not be like we always have one gun store or we always have two gun stores.

2044
02:42:06,080 --> 02:42:12,560
The hope would be that we would have no gun stores in the future. So I just wanted to support that.

2045
02:42:12,560 --> 02:42:18,160
And from a marketing perspective, I just wanted to point out that if you're opening a store

2046
02:42:19,440 --> 02:42:25,200
that sells guns and people are not supposed to buy for other people but you're opening a right

2047
02:42:25,200 --> 02:42:28,960
before Christmas and right at the holiday time. I just find that kind of interesting.

2048
02:42:30,880 --> 02:42:38,640
Break-ins, yikes. That's kind of, says it all. I'm a mom and I'm really worried about our kids.

2049
02:42:39,680 --> 02:42:45,920
My son has had to intervene with multiple kids who are kidding. I'm sorry, cutting kids who

2050
02:42:46,560 --> 02:42:52,320
he had to call 911 and someone who sent us a snap that was going to, you know, there was actually

2051
02:42:52,320 --> 02:42:57,840
attempting suicide. There's a lot going on for our kids. It's really hard. It's starting much

2052
02:42:57,840 --> 02:43:04,560
younger than when we were kids. I think we really need to worry about them. I also just want to mention that on

2053
02:43:04,560 --> 02:43:09,840
next door, we're new to town. We've been appalled by some of the races that we've seen on there. People's

2054
02:43:09,840 --> 02:43:14,800
saying they're going to get guns because they're afraid of people coming to their doors. It's terrifying to us

2055
02:43:14,800 --> 02:43:21,040
as people that are different in this town as well. We don't like to have that kind of energy in town and

2056
02:43:21,040 --> 02:43:27,200
guns just up the ante for mistakes. I think I'm out of time, but thank you very much. Okay, thank

2057
02:43:27,200 --> 02:43:38,960
you for your time. Rahul Mothor. Okay, Ron. You have his, I can't say that any. We'll follow by Liz,

2058
02:43:38,960 --> 02:43:46,480
men followed by Jackie Honourary's book. Okay, followed by David Stewart. If it's any consolation my wife

2059
02:43:46,480 --> 02:43:55,440
kept her maiden name. Okay. Thank you. I feel much better for that exact reason. Okay. So my name is

2060
02:43:55,440 --> 02:44:01,760
Ron. I'm a San Carlo resident. I live here for about 4.5 years. My kids go to public school here.

2061
02:44:01,760 --> 02:44:07,600
They participate in leads, camps, recreation, provided. We engage heavily in many of the staff programs.

2062
02:44:07,600 --> 02:44:15,440
My wife has her business here. So I'd highlight this is it. My family and I are deeply, deeply invested in

2063
02:44:15,440 --> 02:44:21,200
this community. And this is a family-centric community where we want, this is a place where we want

2064
02:44:21,200 --> 02:44:27,040
to have kids to be free to run around and for parents to feel safe and letting their kids run around.

2065
02:44:27,760 --> 02:44:32,240
So I'm highly sensitive to any initiative that would bring fear, danger, or crime to the city.

2066
02:44:32,240 --> 02:44:38,240
And allowing more gun stores would do just that. Gun stores are prime targets for first-smashing

2067
02:44:38,240 --> 02:44:43,360
grab thieves. We saw this with Inburnt Smithers and that's been highlighted. Turner has been broken many

2068
02:44:43,360 --> 02:44:48,800
times and outside of Turner's any new, any other new gun store, which would be a similar

2069
02:44:48,800 --> 02:44:54,960
smashing grab target. Frankly, I just don't want crime targets in my city. We have to

2070
02:44:54,960 --> 02:44:59,840
bend the illusion of the city. We have probably about a dozen more on the peninsula. And now we

2071
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:07,000
In our view that we can make gun stores more safe by installing cameras and windowless steel store fronts and metal bars and concrete barriers.

2072
02:45:07,000 --> 02:45:16,000
I don't want to walk down there with my kid and my kid say daddy, why are all those other stores open and that one is locked up like a jail?

2073
02:45:16,000 --> 02:45:21,000
Well, that's where we keep the stuff that kills people. That's not the conversation I want to have.

2074
02:45:21,000 --> 02:45:31,000
I think some of the visitors to our city who may be some of the NRA guests to the city.

2075
02:45:31,000 --> 02:45:36,000
My understanding is actually, they might have stopped by BNK needs to have grabbed some sandwiches.

2076
02:45:36,000 --> 02:45:37,000
About 40 seconds.

2077
02:45:37,000 --> 02:45:38,000
Go ahead.

2078
02:45:38,000 --> 02:45:39,000
Right to this?

2079
02:45:39,000 --> 02:45:45,000
Well, that was actually, that was going to be a dollar store before the community stepped in and stopped that and turned that into BNK needs.

2080
02:45:45,000 --> 02:45:52,000
So, I'm imagining that their experience would have been somewhat lesser had we actually left that and become a dollar store.

2081
02:45:52,000 --> 02:45:56,000
So, your time is up, Ron.

2082
02:45:56,000 --> 02:45:59,000
Thank you for your comments, though. I appreciate it, thank you.

2083
02:45:59,000 --> 02:46:00,000
All right.

2084
02:46:01,000 --> 02:46:05,000
Liz Men, followed by David Stewart, followed by Christine.

2085
02:46:05,000 --> 02:46:08,000
You know, Joseph Kirschenbaum.

2086
02:46:08,000 --> 02:46:12,000
I will be very brief, I promise.

2087
02:46:12,000 --> 02:46:18,000
I am very active and member of this community. I work here. I live here. I'm raising children here.

2088
02:46:18,000 --> 02:46:20,000
And I believe in St. Carlos.

2089
02:46:20,000 --> 02:46:24,000
I think it's extremely disingenuous that Turner's is reporting themselves to be sports and outdoors.

2090
02:46:24,000 --> 02:46:28,000
It is really clear that their main business is selling guns.

2091
02:46:28,000 --> 02:46:31,000
And they said tonight that it is their main source of income.

2092
02:46:31,000 --> 02:46:33,000
So, I think it's really clear.

2093
02:46:33,000 --> 02:46:35,000
I don't think it's a good fit for St. Carlos.

2094
02:46:35,000 --> 02:46:38,000
And I urge you to impose them a more atrium.

2095
02:46:38,000 --> 02:46:39,000
Thank you to each time.

2096
02:46:39,000 --> 02:46:41,000
Thank you for your comments.

2097
02:46:41,000 --> 02:46:44,000
David Stewart, followed by Christina.

2098
02:46:44,000 --> 02:46:46,000
Hannah Joseph Kirschenbaum.

2099
02:46:46,000 --> 02:46:47,000
Mr. Stewart.

2100
02:46:47,000 --> 02:46:48,000
All right.

2101
02:46:48,000 --> 02:46:49,000
Christina.

2102
02:46:55,000 --> 02:46:56,000
Hello.

2103
02:46:57,000 --> 02:47:01,000
And I'm a resident of St. Carlos and a mother of three here.

2104
02:47:01,000 --> 02:47:04,000
I had a speech.

2105
02:47:04,000 --> 02:47:09,000
And then I found out that Turner sold the guns that were at San Bernardino.

2106
02:47:09,000 --> 02:47:17,000
And that happened at the Golden Gate Regional Center, which is the agency that serves my daughter here in this area.

2107
02:47:17,000 --> 02:47:24,000
And after that happened, it was terrifying for us and for all the people who serve my daughter here.

2108
02:47:24,000 --> 02:47:29,000
So, obviously, and for the moratorium against the new store opening,

2109
02:47:29,000 --> 02:47:35,000
but I also have to thank Turner because I really think that they have booked the Bayer here.

2110
02:47:35,000 --> 02:47:38,000
And San Carlos was asleep at town, but you know what?

2111
02:47:38,000 --> 02:47:40,000
We're real welcome now.

2112
02:47:40,000 --> 02:47:43,000
And we're not going to sleep anytime soon.

2113
02:47:43,000 --> 02:47:44,000
Thank you.

2114
02:47:44,000 --> 02:47:45,000
Thank you.

2115
02:47:45,000 --> 02:47:46,000
Your comments?

2116
02:47:46,000 --> 02:47:51,000
Matt Michaels, followed by Steve Quahn, followed by Melissa Damon.

2117
02:47:54,000 --> 02:47:56,000
Mr. Michaels.

2118
02:48:04,000 --> 02:48:07,000
Thank you for bringing me this evening.

2119
02:48:07,000 --> 02:48:09,000
My family moved here in 1957.

2120
02:48:09,000 --> 02:48:10,000
I've lived here for 50 years.

2121
02:48:10,000 --> 02:48:11,000
I went to White Oaks.

2122
02:48:11,000 --> 02:48:12,000
I went to Central.

2123
02:48:12,000 --> 02:48:16,000
I went to San Carlos High School when it was here.

2124
02:48:16,000 --> 02:48:21,000
And then I'm going to have my glasses.

2125
02:48:22,000 --> 02:48:26,000
I retired, but I'm doing work for the Open Space Trust Rebuilding Together.

2126
02:48:26,000 --> 02:48:28,000
I even helped Ben Elliott.

2127
02:48:28,000 --> 02:48:34,000
One of the fellows who got his Seagull Scott Award tonight with the project that got in there.

2128
02:48:34,000 --> 02:48:40,000
And to say that this is a complicated and emotionally charged issue as a way understatement.

2129
02:48:40,000 --> 02:48:46,000
I learned issued a 22 caliber rifle at Carmel Islands CA, not too far from here.

2130
02:48:46,000 --> 02:48:50,000
I was also the victim of a home invasion, not too far from here.

2131
02:48:50,000 --> 02:48:53,000
The difference in a home invasion would have been something to do with the firearm.

2132
02:48:53,000 --> 02:48:54,000
I didn't have.

2133
02:48:54,000 --> 02:48:56,000
But my son was threatened at that time.

2134
02:48:56,000 --> 02:48:58,000
And fortunately it all worked out.

2135
02:48:58,000 --> 02:49:03,000
But it was a very difficult experience for all of us.

2136
02:49:03,000 --> 02:49:05,000
For a variety of reasons.

2137
02:49:05,000 --> 02:49:07,000
I didn't have a firearm at that time.

2138
02:49:07,000 --> 02:49:10,000
However, I am a life member of the NRA.

2139
02:49:10,000 --> 02:49:16,000
I'm an NRA certified rifle pistol shotgun firearm safety in the home instructor.

2140
02:49:16,000 --> 02:49:20,000
A range safety officer, a level one sporting clays instructor.

2141
02:49:20,000 --> 02:49:22,000
And I'm also a certified 115 instructor.

2142
02:49:22,000 --> 02:49:32,000
I've had hundreds of hours in form of firearm training and provided thousands of hours of training to others.

2143
02:49:32,000 --> 02:49:36,000
Considering all this, I found the most dangerous thing around any firearm is ignorance.

2144
02:49:36,000 --> 02:49:42,000
The ignorance brings fear, breeds fear, and in the context of abandoning our tradition around legal firearm ownership.

2145
02:49:42,000 --> 02:49:46,000
The combination of ignorance and fear makes otherwise good people.

2146
02:49:46,000 --> 02:49:51,000
Really good big people race to abandon the big piece of our cultural history.

2147
02:49:51,000 --> 02:49:53,000
And more importantly, it's future.

2148
02:49:53,000 --> 02:50:01,000
Bending guns are forgetting their sale will not stop bad people any more than banning pressure cookers, knives or high capacity, fully automatic,

2149
02:50:01,000 --> 02:50:03,000
granted delivery vehicles.

2150
02:50:03,000 --> 02:50:10,000
Denying a business is right to legally self-fire arms to legitimately qualified law-biting citizens would be equally as an effective.

2151
02:50:10,000 --> 02:50:12,000
If Michael's I'm sorry, your time is up.

2152
02:50:12,000 --> 02:50:13,000
Thank you.

2153
02:50:13,000 --> 02:50:15,000
Thank you if you're coming at so.

2154
02:50:15,000 --> 02:50:22,000
Steve Quan followed by Melissa Damon followed by John Citizen number seven.

2155
02:50:22,000 --> 02:50:29,000
I wish to express my opinion in that I think the moratorium should not be passed.

2156
02:50:29,000 --> 02:50:37,000
It seems like Turner says already gone through a lot of hoops in order to go and compliance with law.

2157
02:50:37,000 --> 02:50:44,000
And I feel that San Carlos is moving to go post for them to discourage them from opening up their store.

2158
02:50:44,000 --> 02:50:50,000
I don't think that the store would be a target for thieves anymore than a bank would be a target for bank robbers.

2159
02:50:50,000 --> 02:50:54,000
I mean, so what are we going to do not open banks because, you know, I like it wrong.

2160
02:50:54,000 --> 02:51:05,000
Also, you know, as far as the tragedies go, one of the last three tragedies was somebody running a truck at home depot and running into a bunch of people in New York City.

2161
02:51:05,000 --> 02:51:15,000
But nobody talks about well, maybe we have to get some regulation for all of our hardware stores so that they don't rent trucks because they could be potentially used to kill people.

2162
02:51:15,000 --> 02:51:19,000
So again, I urge you not to vote for the moratorium.

2163
02:51:19,000 --> 02:51:20,000
Thank you.

2164
02:51:20,000 --> 02:51:21,000
Thank you for your comments, sir.

2165
02:51:21,000 --> 02:51:30,000
Melissa Damon followed by John Citizen number seven followed by Judith Selvich.

2166
02:51:31,000 --> 02:51:38,000
Hi, I'm Melissa Damon. I'm a 17 year resident of San Carlos. I love living here. I'm raising an elementary school age child.

2167
02:51:38,000 --> 02:51:50,000
So many people have already made these points, but I think in summary in the last few weeks and years we've had numerous horrible things happen with people being injured and killed by guns.

2168
02:51:50,000 --> 02:51:55,000
And we know that a leading factor in our country with this problem is how many guns are available.

2169
02:51:55,000 --> 02:52:05,000
And right now, the five of you can actually do something positive to maybe make a difference. Maybe we won't ever know about it, but at least we could have done maybe beyond the right side of history.

2170
02:52:05,000 --> 02:52:12,000
So I really encourage you to hold the moratorium and then in the future, something else to maybe stop selling guns in our city. Thank you.

2171
02:52:12,000 --> 02:52:14,000
Thank you for your comments.

2172
02:52:14,000 --> 02:52:19,000
John Citizen number seven.

2173
02:52:19,000 --> 02:52:26,000
Judith Selvich followed by Dan Katania.

2174
02:52:30,000 --> 02:52:34,000
I'm doing a salvage. I don't know where John Citizen went.

2175
02:52:34,000 --> 02:52:45,000
But I'm joining an opportunity now, so we're up to six people, I guess, saying that Turner seems to be a well-run company.

2176
02:52:45,000 --> 02:52:49,000
We have a lot of safety features in place.

2177
02:52:49,000 --> 02:52:57,000
If there's not a demand for their products here in San Carlos, they'll have to go out of visit or move along.

2178
02:52:57,000 --> 02:53:09,000
As we know, I know, a number of San Carlos citizens with guns and they take very good care of them to make sure that they're not available to children.

2179
02:53:09,000 --> 02:53:24,000
And so I urge anyone who is very concerned about their children getting guns to make sure you protect the guns you have at home if you have them.

2180
02:53:24,000 --> 02:53:38,000
I think I think I'm guessing you're going to vote for the moratorium because of all the voices you've heard, but I think it's unfair to this company that's come and seems to be well-run.

2181
02:53:38,000 --> 02:53:41,000
And it's looking through this process.

2182
02:53:41,000 --> 02:53:49,000
All right, thank you for your comments. Dan Katania followed by Bernadette Gates followed by Maeve Knopf.

2183
02:53:49,000 --> 02:53:59,000
I might have missed out on two. Dan Katania, not here. Bernadette Gates. Bernadette Gates? Okay.

2184
02:53:59,000 --> 02:54:05,000
Follow by Maeve Knopf, followed by Kevin Storm.

2185
02:54:05,000 --> 02:54:07,000
Welcome. Thank you.

2186
02:54:07,000 --> 02:54:17,000
Good evening. My name is Bernadette Gates, and I'm on behalf of myself, as well as my husband, Reverend Allen Gates, who cannot be here tonight.

2187
02:54:17,000 --> 02:54:24,000
We would like to encourage the City Council to vote to approve a moratorium on new gun stores in San Carlos.

2188
02:54:25,000 --> 02:54:33,000
There have been many passionate arguments tonight about gun violence as a health care professional at a level one trauma center in San Francisco.

2189
02:54:33,000 --> 02:54:39,000
I encounter the destructive power of guns and the patients being cared for almost every day.

2190
02:54:39,000 --> 02:54:48,000
My husband, as a minister, has assisted women and abusive relationships secure legal protective orders against armed and violence spouses.

2191
02:54:48,000 --> 02:54:53,000
We could add our stories to many more, including the mass shootings around the country.

2192
02:54:53,000 --> 02:54:57,000
Please vote and support of the moratorium. Thank you.

2193
02:54:57,000 --> 02:55:01,000
If you're comments.

2194
02:55:01,000 --> 02:55:04,000
Kevin's a part of me, Maeve Knopf.

2195
02:55:04,000 --> 02:55:07,000
I'm sorry, did I say it right? Okay.

2196
02:55:07,000 --> 02:55:09,000
What is it? What is it?

2197
02:55:09,000 --> 02:55:12,000
It's no, it rhymes with no. Sorry, sorry.

2198
02:55:12,000 --> 02:55:15,000
I could just take it off, but I blew that one too.

2199
02:55:15,000 --> 02:55:18,000
I would like to urge the Council to enact the moratorium.

2200
02:55:18,000 --> 02:55:24,000
With a proposed gun store in such an easy on easy off location from 101.

2201
02:55:24,000 --> 02:55:30,000
San Carlos could well become the headline, the source of a gun used in yet another massacre.

2202
02:55:30,000 --> 02:55:32,000
I don't want that to be where I live.

2203
02:55:32,000 --> 02:55:33,000
Thanks.

2204
02:55:33,000 --> 02:55:35,000
Thank you for your comment.

2205
02:55:35,000 --> 02:55:43,000
Kevin Storm, followed by Anne and Gabby Lou, followed by Rebecca Dodson.

2206
02:55:43,000 --> 02:55:47,000
I'd like to thank the Council for allowing me to speak.

2207
02:55:47,000 --> 02:55:50,000
I'd like to point out a few things that I've heard in this room.

2208
02:55:50,000 --> 02:55:54,000
I've heard a lot of physicians today talk about the number two or the number three

2209
02:55:54,000 --> 02:55:55,000
cause of death.

2210
02:55:55,000 --> 02:55:57,000
What's the number one cause of death?

2211
02:55:57,000 --> 02:55:58,000
Motor vehicles.

2212
02:55:58,000 --> 02:56:03,000
How many of you will get cancer from the personage and stumped out of your vehicles?

2213
02:56:03,000 --> 02:56:05,000
I'm a former paramedic.

2214
02:56:05,000 --> 02:56:10,000
I picked up more kids who died because their parents couldn't put them in a car seat properly

2215
02:56:11,000 --> 02:56:13,000
than ever got shot by a firearm.

2216
02:56:13,000 --> 02:56:16,000
Are we having an urgent moratorium on motor vehicles?

2217
02:56:16,000 --> 02:56:18,000
Go high school.

2218
02:56:18,000 --> 02:56:20,000
How do those kids die?

2219
02:56:20,000 --> 02:56:22,000
You talk about death.

2220
02:56:22,000 --> 02:56:24,000
Those kids stepped in front of a train.

2221
02:56:24,000 --> 02:56:29,000
If somebody's really in the intent of killing themselves, they'll do it.

2222
02:56:29,000 --> 02:56:36,000
Doesn't matter if it's a firearm or train a car or jump off a cliff happens every day.

2223
02:56:36,000 --> 02:56:38,000
Don't fool yourselves.

2224
02:56:38,000 --> 02:56:44,000
It's a legitimate business, constitutionally protected, and you're in fear.

2225
02:56:44,000 --> 02:56:45,000
Thank you.

2226
02:56:45,000 --> 02:56:47,000
Thank you for your comments.

2227
02:56:47,000 --> 02:56:49,000
I'm sorry, Mr. Holder.

2228
02:56:49,000 --> 02:56:50,000
Mark?

2229
02:56:50,000 --> 02:56:53,000
I didn't hear what you said, so I'm sorry.

2230
02:56:53,000 --> 02:56:54,000
Okay.

2231
02:56:54,000 --> 02:56:58,000
Next week, you're in and Gabby Lue or one of the two.

2232
02:56:58,000 --> 02:57:00,000
Followed by Rebecca Dodson.

2233
02:57:00,000 --> 02:57:03,000
Followed by Ash to her mother.

2234
02:57:03,000 --> 02:57:06,000
Anna Gabby Lue.

2235
02:57:06,000 --> 02:57:10,000
Okay. Rebecca Dodson.

2236
02:57:10,000 --> 02:57:14,000
Ash got a mother.

2237
02:57:14,000 --> 02:57:16,000
Mr. Come on up. You come to the center.

2238
02:57:16,000 --> 02:57:19,000
Sorry. You walk to the center out.

2239
02:57:28,000 --> 02:57:29,000
Welcome, sir.

2240
02:57:29,000 --> 02:57:34,000
Thank you. My name is Ashuk Mathur, a longtime resident of St. Carlos.

2241
02:57:35,000 --> 02:57:40,000
By now, it should become fairly obvious to you as council members.

2242
02:57:40,000 --> 02:57:46,000
The overwhelming sentiment is in favor of not having this organization in our city.

2243
02:57:46,000 --> 02:57:55,000
And I think the only way to go is to declare a moratorium and work towards making it happen.

2244
02:57:55,000 --> 02:57:56,000
Thank you.

2245
02:57:56,000 --> 02:57:58,000
Thank you for your comments.

2246
02:57:59,000 --> 02:58:01,000
Did I? Michael James.

2247
02:58:01,000 --> 02:58:04,000
You already spoke though.

2248
02:58:04,000 --> 02:58:06,000
Oh, that's right. I'm sorry. I apologize.

2249
02:58:06,000 --> 02:58:08,000
I knew I'd see the name somewhere before I apologize.

2250
02:58:08,000 --> 02:58:10,000
Come on up. Sir.

2251
02:58:10,000 --> 02:58:13,000
Followed by Katie Spinnick or Spink.

2252
02:58:13,000 --> 02:58:15,000
Spink, father. I'm sorry.

2253
02:58:15,000 --> 02:58:18,000
Followed by Jean Roskley Fage.

2254
02:58:18,000 --> 02:58:19,000
Go ahead.

2255
02:58:19,000 --> 02:58:20,000
Hello. Hello.

2256
02:58:20,000 --> 02:58:23,000
I'm also a resident of St. Carlos.

2257
02:58:23,000 --> 02:58:27,000
And I think we sort of feel we just don't want another gun store.

2258
02:58:27,000 --> 02:58:29,000
In the city.

2259
02:58:29,000 --> 02:58:38,000
And I guess the respondents of the moratorium have talked about how every other level of government is imposed from regulations.

2260
02:58:38,000 --> 02:58:41,000
Again, someone would like us to believe this sufficient.

2261
02:58:41,000 --> 02:58:46,000
But I think the obligation is most on us at the local level to review what's happened.

2262
02:58:46,000 --> 02:58:50,000
And if the people of the city don't want the gun store.

2263
02:58:50,000 --> 02:58:52,000
I'd look to the council to make it.

2264
02:58:52,000 --> 02:58:54,000
Make that so.

2265
02:58:54,000 --> 02:58:55,000
Thank you.

2266
02:58:55,000 --> 02:58:57,000
Thanks for your comments.

2267
02:58:57,000 --> 02:58:59,000
Katie Spinnick.

2268
02:58:59,000 --> 02:59:02,000
Followed by Jean Roskley Fage.

2269
02:59:02,000 --> 02:59:05,000
Sure. F-E-I-G-E.

2270
02:59:05,000 --> 02:59:07,000
Okay.

2271
02:59:07,000 --> 02:59:09,000
That's off to the side.

2272
02:59:09,000 --> 02:59:10,000
Oops.

2273
02:59:10,000 --> 02:59:11,000
I'm sorry.

2274
02:59:11,000 --> 02:59:13,000
I'm...

2275
02:59:13,000 --> 02:59:15,000
I'm sorry.

2276
02:59:15,000 --> 02:59:17,000
I'm sorry.

2277
02:59:17,000 --> 02:59:18,000
I'm sorry.

2278
02:59:18,000 --> 02:59:21,000
I got the middle one right in my roskley.

2279
02:59:21,000 --> 02:59:22,000
Sorry.

2280
02:59:22,000 --> 02:59:23,000
Okay.

2281
02:59:24,000 --> 02:59:25,000
Good evening.

2282
02:59:25,000 --> 02:59:26,000
Good evening.

2283
02:59:26,000 --> 02:59:27,000
I...

2284
02:59:27,000 --> 02:59:29,000
I am a long time.

2285
02:59:29,000 --> 02:59:31,000
I grew up in San Carlos.

2286
02:59:31,000 --> 02:59:33,000
My grandparents lived on theater.

2287
02:59:33,000 --> 02:59:35,000
I still own house there.

2288
02:59:35,000 --> 02:59:40,000
I have worked in San Carlos for 18 years.

2289
02:59:40,000 --> 02:59:42,000
I'm a mom of two boys.

2290
02:59:42,000 --> 02:59:45,000
And I'm a gun shop owner.

2291
02:59:45,000 --> 02:59:47,000
I own Emperten Smithers.

2292
02:59:47,000 --> 02:59:51,000
I love this community.

2293
02:59:51,000 --> 02:59:54,000
I care about my community.

2294
02:59:54,000 --> 02:59:57,000
I don't choose to have properties happen.

2295
02:59:57,000 --> 03:00:00,000
I've actually updated my security quite a bit.

2296
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:27,000
I want to say I want to stay in this community and I want to try to help my community learn and understand and be educated. I am here if people want to learn more. I am leaving my door open during the day, of course. To answer people's questions. I am happy to help this community understand my business and the firearms industry.

2297
03:00:27,000 --> 03:00:41,000
I will be happy to answer anybody's questions. Please feel free to ask me. I do care and I do love this community and I love being part of it. I have fond memories of growing up here. Thank you all.

2298
03:00:41,000 --> 03:00:56,000
Thank you for your comment. Patrick is all I have. Sir, Patrick, please come up. Followed by Alex Lear. Followed by Dr. Sean McKeliot.

2299
03:00:57,000 --> 03:00:58,000
Welcome.

2300
03:00:58,000 --> 03:01:00,000
Or this is my biases clear.

2301
03:01:00,000 --> 03:01:06,000
Okay. First off, my concern is about equal protection of the constitution that is guaranteed.

2302
03:01:06,000 --> 03:01:16,000
Number 235,000 deaths every year in the motor vehicle accidents. That is more than firearms related deaths, which also includes suicides.

2303
03:01:17,000 --> 03:01:21,000
One to two million people injured every year due to cars.

2304
03:01:21,000 --> 03:01:30,000
Let's see here what else. The New York Times article that was cited earlier is a little bit misleading.

2305
03:01:30,000 --> 03:01:45,000
If you look at the same author who did that study that was quoted in the New York Times, one of the main contributors to mass violence and mass shooters was meeting coverage.

2306
03:01:45,000 --> 03:01:48,000
But we're not talking about that.

2307
03:01:48,000 --> 03:01:56,000
The NRA is one of the top providers of gun safety instruction in this country.

2308
03:01:56,000 --> 03:02:00,000
There are safe garters of our second amendment rights.

2309
03:02:00,000 --> 03:02:05,000
And you may disagree with them, but they do good work.

2310
03:02:05,000 --> 03:02:13,000
I encourage you to make data driven decisions. I spoke with Mr. Johnson the other day and encouraged him to do that.

2311
03:02:13,000 --> 03:02:21,000
I think this heartens back to some of the zoning laws that were used to keep people of different skin colors out of communities.

2312
03:02:21,000 --> 03:02:26,000
If you look at how that happened earlier this since last century, that was how it happened.

2313
03:02:26,000 --> 03:02:31,000
The data do not support increased crime surrounding gun stores.

2314
03:02:31,000 --> 03:02:35,000
And I would encourage all of you.

2315
03:02:35,000 --> 03:02:40,000
If you're looking to ban a gun store, if you're looking to ban guns, I know lots of your program.

2316
03:02:40,000 --> 03:02:44,000
All right, anti gun. Look at the data.

2317
03:02:44,000 --> 03:02:47,000
Go read. Turn the television off and go read.

2318
03:02:47,000 --> 03:02:51,000
Going to a gun store and ask questions. Ask me.

2319
03:02:51,000 --> 03:02:54,000
I'll talk.

2320
03:02:54,000 --> 03:02:57,000
Thank you for your comments, sir.

2321
03:02:57,000 --> 03:02:59,000
Alex Lear.

2322
03:02:59,000 --> 03:03:01,000
Followed by Dr. Sean McAlliet.

2323
03:03:01,000 --> 03:03:05,000
Followed by Greg Serrell.

2324
03:03:06,000 --> 03:03:13,000
Good evening, everyone. My name is Alex Lear. I'm a local resident and also a father of four kids who went to St. Charles Carlmont.

2325
03:03:13,000 --> 03:03:16,000
On a business here on Laurel Street.

2326
03:03:16,000 --> 03:03:17,000
Love the community.

2327
03:03:17,000 --> 03:03:23,000
And first of all, one thing I love about the community is the fact that we have such a base of education.

2328
03:03:23,000 --> 03:03:29,000
The only concern that I have is that when we get into the conversation of guns, it becomes a conversation not about education.

2329
03:03:29,000 --> 03:03:32,000
Lots of times it's about ignorance and just fear of not knowing.

2330
03:03:32,000 --> 03:03:39,000
So to that point is number one, we'll never be able to regulate evil. Unfortunately, people will find a way to do harm if they choose.

2331
03:03:39,000 --> 03:03:41,000
And unfortunately, that's just part of our society.

2332
03:03:41,000 --> 03:03:45,000
Doesn't matter how they do it. They'll figure out a way if they really want to have that happen.

2333
03:03:45,000 --> 03:03:52,000
My only goal in this is I want to make sure that turners obviously didn't do their homework and checking into this community.

2334
03:03:52,000 --> 03:03:55,000
I'm a hunter. My kids. My four kids.

2335
03:03:55,000 --> 03:03:58,000
My four kids have been raised hunting in this area.

2336
03:03:58,000 --> 03:04:02,000
You hunt in San Francisco Bay. You can hunt right out of Redwood City Harbor.

2337
03:04:02,000 --> 03:04:06,000
We hunt there all the time. We own a ranch right behind Mount Hamilton.

2338
03:04:06,000 --> 03:04:09,000
We hunt all over. The realities are it's a beautiful sport.

2339
03:04:09,000 --> 03:04:14,000
There's a sport in hunting and shooting and firearm sports with education.

2340
03:04:14,000 --> 03:04:19,000
My kids have been raised around guns and safety is most of the utmost importance.

2341
03:04:19,000 --> 03:04:21,000
So we don't want to see anybody at her.

2342
03:04:21,000 --> 03:04:24,000
I understand the conversation tonight isn't about gun control.

2343
03:04:24,000 --> 03:04:26,000
It's about whether there's a moratorium.

2344
03:04:26,000 --> 03:04:31,000
If the process has not been followed for them to have their permits,

2345
03:04:31,000 --> 03:04:36,000
then at that point there may need to be a moratorium to explore further.

2346
03:04:36,000 --> 03:04:42,000
But let's make sure we have the conversation based on education and educated decisions are made not just around the history.

2347
03:04:42,000 --> 03:04:43,000
That's all I asked.

2348
03:04:43,000 --> 03:04:45,000
Thank you for your concern.

2349
03:04:45,000 --> 03:04:51,000
Dr. Sean McAlliet.

2350
03:04:51,000 --> 03:04:55,000
Greg Surral.

2351
03:04:56,000 --> 03:05:01,000
Trisha Chang.

2352
03:05:01,000 --> 03:05:08,000
Sheila Brar B. R. R.

2353
03:05:08,000 --> 03:05:11,000
Lauren P. McCumber.

2354
03:05:11,000 --> 03:05:16,000
I'm sorry. McCones. I'm sorry. McCones.

2355
03:05:16,000 --> 03:05:22,000
That's all right. I can't write either.

2356
03:05:23,000 --> 03:05:25,000
Good evening.

2357
03:05:25,000 --> 03:05:27,000
My name is Lauren McCones.

2358
03:05:27,000 --> 03:05:30,000
I have been a resident of San Carlos for 27 years.

2359
03:05:30,000 --> 03:05:32,000
I have raised two children here.

2360
03:05:32,000 --> 03:05:35,000
I'm a deacon at the church of the epiphany.

2361
03:05:35,000 --> 03:05:37,000
And I would like to say this.

2362
03:05:37,000 --> 03:05:42,000
We have a city which is recognized as a city of good living.

2363
03:05:42,000 --> 03:05:45,000
I want to continue that.

2364
03:05:45,000 --> 03:05:49,000
I want to be a safe place where children can walk and play and laugh

2365
03:05:50,000 --> 03:05:53,000
and not be concerned about guns in their schools.

2366
03:05:53,000 --> 03:05:55,000
Guns in the movie theaters.

2367
03:05:55,000 --> 03:05:57,000
Guns which are accessible.

2368
03:05:57,000 --> 03:06:01,000
In a manner which I do not think we want to be known for.

2369
03:06:01,000 --> 03:06:03,000
We want to be known as a good city.

2370
03:06:03,000 --> 03:06:05,000
Who cares for citizens?

2371
03:06:05,000 --> 03:06:06,000
Thank you.

2372
03:06:06,000 --> 03:06:07,000
Thank you for your comments.

2373
03:06:07,000 --> 03:06:08,000
Anyhow.

2374
03:06:08,000 --> 03:06:10,000
Grow Hill.

2375
03:06:10,000 --> 03:06:11,000
Get up.

2376
03:06:11,000 --> 03:06:13,000
I'm sorry.

2377
03:06:13,000 --> 03:06:15,000
Followed by Zoe Crowder.

2378
03:06:15,000 --> 03:06:17,000
Followed by Million Nightingale.

2379
03:06:19,000 --> 03:06:20,000
My name is Trisha Chang.

2380
03:06:20,000 --> 03:06:21,000
Sorry.

2381
03:06:21,000 --> 03:06:22,000
I didn't walk.

2382
03:06:22,000 --> 03:06:23,000
All right.

2383
03:06:23,000 --> 03:06:24,000
Okay.

2384
03:06:24,000 --> 03:06:27,000
Thank Carlos is home to me and my family.

2385
03:06:27,000 --> 03:06:31,000
And I lost a high school classmate in the Las Vegas shooting.

2386
03:06:31,000 --> 03:06:34,000
And my nieces and nephews go through gun drills in preschool.

2387
03:06:34,000 --> 03:06:35,000
It's sad.

2388
03:06:35,000 --> 03:06:39,000
And we don't want our community to provide access to more guns.

2389
03:06:39,000 --> 03:06:40,000
And we already do.

2390
03:06:40,000 --> 03:06:42,000
Please support moreatorium.

2391
03:06:42,000 --> 03:06:43,000
Thank you for your comments.

2392
03:06:44,000 --> 03:06:47,000
I need a girl or a griddle.

2393
03:06:47,000 --> 03:06:48,000
Okay.

2394
03:06:48,000 --> 03:06:49,000
Thank you.

2395
03:06:49,000 --> 03:06:50,000
Zoe Crowder.

2396
03:06:50,000 --> 03:06:52,000
Followed by Million Nightingale.

2397
03:06:52,000 --> 03:06:55,000
Zoe Crowder.

2398
03:06:55,000 --> 03:06:58,000
Million Nightingale.

2399
03:06:58,000 --> 03:06:59,000
Okay.

2400
03:06:59,000 --> 03:07:01,000
Kelly Lawrence.

2401
03:07:01,000 --> 03:07:04,000
Followed by.

2402
03:07:04,000 --> 03:07:07,000
Julie Leach.

2403
03:07:07,000 --> 03:07:09,000
Followed by Thomas.

2404
03:07:09,000 --> 03:07:10,000
Sorry.

2405
03:07:10,000 --> 03:07:11,000
Kelly Lawrence.

2406
03:07:11,000 --> 03:07:12,000
Go ahead.

2407
03:07:12,000 --> 03:07:17,000
I'm a 13 year resident of San Carlos actually 14 years.

2408
03:07:17,000 --> 03:07:21,000
And I just say I'm really support moreatorium for the gunmen.

2409
03:07:21,000 --> 03:07:22,000
Thank you.

2410
03:07:22,000 --> 03:07:23,000
All right.

2411
03:07:23,000 --> 03:07:24,000
Thank you for your comments.

2412
03:07:24,000 --> 03:07:26,000
Julie Leach.

2413
03:07:26,000 --> 03:07:29,000
Followed by Thomas Hassan.

2414
03:07:29,000 --> 03:07:30,000
Julie Leach.

2415
03:07:30,000 --> 03:07:32,000
I moved here six years ago with my parents.

2416
03:07:32,000 --> 03:07:35,000
I was obviously very small.

2417
03:07:35,000 --> 03:07:41,000
But I never thought I'd be even talking about the debate of.

2418
03:07:41,000 --> 03:07:45,000
Automatic guns in this city.

2419
03:07:45,000 --> 03:07:47,000
It just makes me sad.

2420
03:07:47,000 --> 03:07:48,000
My father was a hunter.

2421
03:07:48,000 --> 03:07:50,000
He was a duck hunter.

2422
03:07:50,000 --> 03:07:52,000
And we ate the ducks.

2423
03:07:52,000 --> 03:07:54,000
And it was all well and good.

2424
03:07:54,000 --> 03:07:58,000
But the idea of some of the types of guns that they want to sell.

2425
03:07:58,000 --> 03:08:01,000
I just don't think is appropriate for this city.

2426
03:08:01,000 --> 03:08:04,000
And I hope you uphold the more moreatorium.

2427
03:08:04,000 --> 03:08:05,000
Thank you.

2428
03:08:05,000 --> 03:08:06,000
Thank you.

2429
03:08:06,000 --> 03:08:07,000
Thomas Hassan.

2430
03:08:07,000 --> 03:08:08,000
I'm sorry.

2431
03:08:08,000 --> 03:08:10,000
I blew it the first three times.

2432
03:08:10,000 --> 03:08:11,000
That's it.

2433
03:08:11,000 --> 03:08:12,000
Followed by Norma.

2434
03:08:12,000 --> 03:08:14,000
I'm Tom Haxen.

2435
03:08:14,000 --> 03:08:16,000
I live about a month.

2436
03:08:16,000 --> 03:08:19,000
I'm in live in San Carlos, about a mile from the site.

2437
03:08:19,000 --> 03:08:21,000
And my five-year-old and one-year-old.

2438
03:08:21,000 --> 03:08:22,000
You get a Kingston Academy.

2439
03:08:22,000 --> 03:08:27,000
Which I understand share of parking left the gun with the gun shop.

2440
03:08:27,000 --> 03:08:31,000
A lot of people have mentioned about the gun deaths epidemic.

2441
03:08:31,000 --> 03:08:33,000
We have in our country.

2442
03:08:33,000 --> 03:08:36,000
One way to think about that is that over the course of our lives.

2443
03:08:36,000 --> 03:08:39,000
Each of us has a one in a hundred and twenty chance of being killed.

2444
03:08:39,000 --> 03:08:44,000
And the federal government continues to do nothing to stop this epidemic.

2445
03:08:44,000 --> 03:08:49,000
Then I think it's the moral obligation of us through our states and cities and everything.

2446
03:08:49,000 --> 03:08:51,000
It can stop it.

2447
03:08:51,000 --> 03:08:56,000
We don't have to look forward to see ways that localities are doing this.

2448
03:08:56,000 --> 03:08:58,000
The city of San Francisco.

2449
03:08:58,000 --> 03:09:02,000
But in a law that you have to videotape every gun sale.

2450
03:09:02,000 --> 03:09:04,000
And the amount of savings that after the law went in.

2451
03:09:04,000 --> 03:09:07,000
The last gun shop in San Francisco shut down.

2452
03:09:07,000 --> 03:09:14,000
So I think San Carlos should explore what ways it can do to stop the new gun shops robbing.

2453
03:09:14,000 --> 03:09:20,000
Or if that's impossible, but in the strongest possible regulations to keep us safe.

2454
03:09:20,000 --> 03:09:24,000
And to do that to the full possible extent during that moratorium.

2455
03:09:24,000 --> 03:09:25,000
Thanks.

2456
03:09:25,000 --> 03:09:26,000
Thanks for coming.

2457
03:09:26,000 --> 03:09:28,000
Linda Rossick.

2458
03:09:28,000 --> 03:09:31,000
Followed by Norma, followed by Mark Maxwell.

2459
03:09:31,000 --> 03:09:36,000
Hi, my name is Linda Rossick.

2460
03:09:36,000 --> 03:09:44,000
And I am a mother of two and I lived in San Carlos over twenty years.

2461
03:09:44,000 --> 03:09:48,000
And I think some of us have been affected by gun violence.

2462
03:09:48,000 --> 03:09:55,000
In 1988, my cousin Helen moved back to the Bay Area and started a new job at a company called ESL.

2463
03:09:55,000 --> 03:10:02,000
She'd only been there a couple of weeks when Richard Farley came walked into the ESL.

2464
03:10:02,000 --> 03:10:07,000
And shot seven people including my cousin who had two children at the time.

2465
03:10:07,000 --> 03:10:15,000
So the idea of another gun store opening in San Carlos is just makes me angry.

2466
03:10:15,000 --> 03:10:25,000
And I also think that we can't compare the danger of driving motor vehicles to guns because guns were made purely for killing.

2467
03:10:25,000 --> 03:10:28,000
And motor vehicles are not made for killing.

2468
03:10:28,000 --> 03:10:30,000
Although we have there a lot of accidents.

2469
03:10:30,000 --> 03:10:32,000
They're not primarily made for that reason.

2470
03:10:32,000 --> 03:10:36,000
So I don't really personally think that's a valid argument.

2471
03:10:36,000 --> 03:10:40,000
So I've strongly support a moratorium.

2472
03:10:40,000 --> 03:10:41,000
Thank you.

2473
03:10:41,000 --> 03:10:43,000
Thank you for your comments.

2474
03:10:43,000 --> 03:10:53,000
Norma, followed by Mark Maxwell, followed by Natalie Schlappen.

2475
03:10:53,000 --> 03:10:54,000
Good evening.

2476
03:10:54,000 --> 03:10:58,000
My name is Norma Blatt and I've been a resident of San Carlos for 17 years.

2477
03:10:58,000 --> 03:11:02,000
I'm a mom and love being a mom.

2478
03:11:02,000 --> 03:11:08,000
I would like to encourage the council to vote in favor of the ordinance to review zoning.

2479
03:11:08,000 --> 03:11:15,000
The public peace, health, welfare, and safety with regards to a new retail firearm establishment.

2480
03:11:15,000 --> 03:11:20,000
In general, I oppose weapons dealing in San Carlos.

2481
03:11:20,000 --> 03:11:28,000
I believe that keeping the public are police force, the fire department, schools, and hospitals safe.

2482
03:11:28,000 --> 03:11:30,000
We should curtail arm sale in our city.

2483
03:11:30,000 --> 03:11:32,000
We are not at war.

2484
03:11:32,000 --> 03:11:33,000
This is peace time.

2485
03:11:33,000 --> 03:11:36,000
So let's keep the peace in the city of good living.

2486
03:11:36,000 --> 03:11:37,000
Thank you.

2487
03:11:37,000 --> 03:11:38,000
Thank you.

2488
03:11:38,000 --> 03:11:39,000
If you're comments.

2489
03:11:39,000 --> 03:11:44,000
Mark Maxwell, followed by Natalie Schlappen, followed by Nicole Rells.

2490
03:11:44,000 --> 03:11:50,000
Good evening.

2491
03:11:50,000 --> 03:11:51,000
My name is Mark Maxwell.

2492
03:11:51,000 --> 03:11:57,000
I'm a resident of San Carlos for a decade.

2493
03:11:57,000 --> 03:11:59,000
I have free sons.

2494
03:11:59,000 --> 03:12:02,000
I grew up in a family of outdoor sports enthusiasts.

2495
03:12:02,000 --> 03:12:07,000
I have family members who are live law abiding gun owners.

2496
03:12:07,000 --> 03:12:11,000
And even a family member who may come as a surprise to turn.

2497
03:12:11,000 --> 03:12:14,000
But who is a very successful bow hunter.

2498
03:12:14,000 --> 03:12:20,000
I also currently serve as the committee chairman for troop-321.

2499
03:12:20,000 --> 03:12:22,000
Boy Scout troop-321.

2500
03:12:22,000 --> 03:12:26,000
Earlier this evening, you were kind enough to recognize three of our recent Eagle Scouts.

2501
03:12:26,000 --> 03:12:33,000
I would like to share briefly the Boy Scouts policy towards shooting sports.

2502
03:12:33,000 --> 03:12:36,000
That was mentioned in reference earlier tonight.

2503
03:12:36,000 --> 03:12:39,000
So I'm speaking not on behalf of Boy Scouts, but just to educate.

2504
03:12:39,000 --> 03:12:42,000
Boy Scouts of America has a shooting sports program.

2505
03:12:42,000 --> 03:12:47,000
As an adult leader, I'm responsible for facilitating part of that.

2506
03:12:47,000 --> 03:12:52,000
Boy Scouts allow shooting sports with single shot rifles.

2507
03:12:52,000 --> 03:12:56,000
Both action rifles that do not have large magazines.

2508
03:12:56,000 --> 03:13:02,000
Meaning you cannot load several rounds into the chamber or into the gun at a time.

2509
03:13:02,000 --> 03:13:06,000
Additionally, Boy Scouts does not have a handgun program.

2510
03:13:06,000 --> 03:13:11,000
They do have a shotgun program all around safety and around the concept of sport.

2511
03:13:11,000 --> 03:13:22,000
Boy Scouts of America also has a policy prohibiting laser tag and paintball activities with the understanding

2512
03:13:22,000 --> 03:13:29,000
that they don't want things that frankly target that are encouraging humans to target other humans.

2513
03:13:29,000 --> 03:13:35,000
I go back to do this, or I mentioned all of this because I think Boy Scouts is actually adopted fairly common sense.

2514
03:13:35,000 --> 03:13:38,000
The proposal for gun shooting sports.

2515
03:13:38,000 --> 03:13:42,000
I encourage turner to possibly explore the same.

2516
03:13:42,000 --> 03:13:51,000
If they were not selling, or if they were selling single shot guns, maybe we would have a different perspective on welcoming them to our community.

2517
03:13:51,000 --> 03:13:55,000
I'm out of time, but I would encourage you to support the more to run.

2518
03:13:55,000 --> 03:13:56,000
Thank you.

2519
03:13:56,000 --> 03:13:57,000
For your comments.

2520
03:13:57,000 --> 03:14:06,000
Natalie Saffron, followed by Nicole Reynolds, followed by Jennifer Rudy.

2521
03:14:06,000 --> 03:14:07,000
Welcome.

2522
03:14:07,000 --> 03:14:08,000
Thank you.

2523
03:14:08,000 --> 03:14:13,000
My name is Natalie Saffron and my family and I have lived in St. Carlos for a little bit over five years.

2524
03:14:13,000 --> 03:14:19,000
And I just echo all the sentiments all the arguments made by my community members.

2525
03:14:19,000 --> 03:14:23,000
My neighbors, my friends, and urge you to support the moratorium.

2526
03:14:23,000 --> 03:14:24,000
Thank you.

2527
03:14:24,000 --> 03:14:25,000
If you're coming.

2528
03:14:25,000 --> 03:14:35,000
Nicole Reynolds, followed by Jennifer Rudy.

2529
03:14:35,000 --> 03:14:36,000
Good evening.

2530
03:14:36,000 --> 03:14:37,000
My name is Jennifer Rudy.

2531
03:14:37,000 --> 03:14:41,000
I've been a resident of St. Carlos for nine years.

2532
03:14:41,000 --> 03:14:53,000
I am a family member of Relatives killed by legally obtained handguns that have resulted in deaths caused by an accident, murder and suicide.

2533
03:14:53,000 --> 03:15:00,000
I am the mother of three young children in this community who are five, nine and twelve.

2534
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:11,000
And in addition to fire drills and earthquake drills are now participating in lockdown drills, I will ask you to reflect on whether you did that as a child.

2535
03:15:11,000 --> 03:15:27,000
I'm also the holder of a Master's degree in Public Health, where alongside things like communicable diseases, heart disease and other types of diseases, I had to learn about handgun violence as a public health issue.

2536
03:15:27,000 --> 03:15:40,000
I ask you to think about other countries in this world and why we are the country that is learning those issues in relation to public health compared to the rest of our world.

2537
03:15:40,000 --> 03:15:47,000
One of the things that we can do to deal with that issue in public health is to work on systemic change.

2538
03:15:47,000 --> 03:15:54,000
You as city council members are in the unique position to vote on a more Toryem that could start that process here.

2539
03:15:54,000 --> 03:15:58,000
Your constituents have spoken, please vote yes on the more Toryem.

2540
03:15:58,000 --> 03:16:06,000
Think of your comments. Andrea Maxwell, followed by Mary Ann Jet, followed by Michelle Chang.

2541
03:16:17,000 --> 03:16:28,000
Good evening, my name is Andrea Maxwell and I've been a resident with my husband of St. Carlos for the last 10 years, where we've been raising our three young boys.

2542
03:16:28,000 --> 03:16:40,000
I think one of the things that resonated with me this evening is when the woman from the school spoke and she talked about having to have kids be prepared for this type of incident in a school.

2543
03:16:40,000 --> 03:16:45,000
I remember growing up in the state of California and we had earthquake preparedness drills.

2544
03:16:45,000 --> 03:16:56,000
I think my greatest fear as a parent is turning on the news, surfing the web, hearing an alert about some incident happening in a school on the peninsula.

2545
03:16:56,000 --> 03:17:00,000
I urge you strongly to vote in support of the more Toryem.

2546
03:17:00,000 --> 03:17:01,000
Thank you.

2547
03:17:02,000 --> 03:17:20,000
Mary Ann Jet, Michelle Chang, Nick Clay Jackson Colachy, followed by Seth Cassini, followed by Dave True.

2548
03:17:20,000 --> 03:17:22,000
Trust love. Thank you.

2549
03:17:22,000 --> 03:17:23,000
Sorry.

2550
03:17:24,000 --> 03:17:29,000
Yeah, my name is Nicky Jackson Colachy.

2551
03:17:29,000 --> 03:17:36,000
No, that's okay. I didn't take my husband's name, so that explains me.

2552
03:17:36,000 --> 03:17:47,000
I'm actually a resident of Memo Park and I'm here to support the citizens of San Carlos and communicating their support of the more Toryem.

2553
03:17:47,000 --> 03:17:53,000
And also just say that I do believe this affects people in surrounding communities as well.

2554
03:17:53,000 --> 03:17:59,000
My husband and I have two small boys who are five and seven, and this issue is deeply personal for us.

2555
03:17:59,000 --> 03:18:04,000
My husband lost his 15 year old brother to gun violence.

2556
03:18:04,000 --> 03:18:15,000
When he was 15, he was shot six times in the head while mowing his lawn in a safe area where no one would have expected this kind of stuff to happen.

2557
03:18:15,000 --> 03:18:30,000
So this is real and I also just want to say that the reason that we're not talking about vehicles is when you look around the world, every country has vehicles and barely similar rates of vehicular manslaughter and other types of vehicle related deaths.

2558
03:18:30,000 --> 03:18:38,000
What they don't have are the high numbers of gun deaths per year and that's directly because of the number of handguns available in this country in particular.

2559
03:18:38,000 --> 03:18:41,000
So I do think that we are not speaking out of fear.

2560
03:18:41,000 --> 03:18:49,000
I see a lot of really informed citizens and hope that you listen to our voice when we say that we are in favor of the more Toryem.

2561
03:18:49,000 --> 03:18:50,000
Thank you.

2562
03:18:50,000 --> 03:18:51,000
If you're coming.

2563
03:18:51,000 --> 03:19:03,000
Thank you.

2564
03:19:03,000 --> 03:19:04,000
Thank you.

2565
03:19:04,000 --> 03:19:10,000
Making the right decision is often difficult and especially when there's strong public opinion against it.

2566
03:19:10,000 --> 03:19:17,000
I know that three of you have MBAs and two of you I believe are business owners and I have an MBA as well.

2567
03:19:17,000 --> 03:19:22,000
So I thought it'd be interesting to approach this from that standpoint and that is what happens.

2568
03:19:22,000 --> 03:19:25,000
What is the, where's the risk analysis?

2569
03:19:25,000 --> 03:19:31,000
I didn't find one actually in the staff report but that would include of course litigation costs.

2570
03:19:31,000 --> 03:19:37,000
As you probably know, daily city despite what was said about the night circuit, lost their zoning decision.

2571
03:19:37,000 --> 03:19:39,000
It was a double loss.

2572
03:19:39,000 --> 03:19:43,000
It was the sort of an end of the moving to Walnut Creek.

2573
03:19:43,000 --> 03:19:47,000
So they had to pay the legal expenses and additional losing the revenue from the score.

2574
03:19:47,000 --> 03:19:49,000
I don't know what turners income is.

2575
03:19:49,000 --> 03:19:50,000
Her store.

2576
03:19:50,000 --> 03:19:54,000
I pretended to benchmark that by using a publicly traded company.

2577
03:19:54,000 --> 03:19:59,000
I'm estimating that their store revenue is somewhere around 20 to 25 million per store.

2578
03:19:59,000 --> 03:20:03,000
Given the tax implications for certain carlos.

2579
03:20:03,000 --> 03:20:08,000
You know that would represent about three hundred seventy five thousand dollars per year in tax revenue.

2580
03:20:08,000 --> 03:20:10,000
You want that to go away.

2581
03:20:10,000 --> 03:20:13,000
Now if you delay it, folks, folks, folks, everybody's got an opinion here.

2582
03:20:13,000 --> 03:20:14,000
Please, thank you.

2583
03:20:14,000 --> 03:20:15,000
Great so far.

2584
03:20:15,000 --> 03:20:21,000
If you want to delay it, I'm estimating that's going to cost roughly a thousand bucks a day.

2585
03:20:21,000 --> 03:20:22,000
A little over that.

2586
03:20:22,000 --> 03:20:29,000
So by, you know, 45 day moratorium would translate into at least another 60 days and probably longer.

2587
03:20:29,000 --> 03:20:31,000
So I'm looking at a minimum is 65,000.

2588
03:20:31,000 --> 03:20:35,000
You know, we can play with the numbers but it has a significant financial impact.

2589
03:20:35,000 --> 03:20:38,000
Lastly, I'd like to speak about a tremendous amount of misinformation.

2590
03:20:38,000 --> 03:20:44,000
I know that people are well motivated and thoughtful but I have just heard them incredible about it.

2591
03:20:44,000 --> 03:20:50,000
And misinformation and, like one of the other speakers, I would urge you to do your research.

2592
03:20:50,000 --> 03:20:54,000
So again, I'm also take issue.

2593
03:20:54,000 --> 03:21:00,000
In addition to the no direct fiscal impact that the study claims are obviously easy fiscal impact.

2594
03:21:00,000 --> 03:21:04,000
They're also as the impact as I mentioned at the delay.

2595
03:21:04,000 --> 03:21:07,000
But also there's also defensive gun use.

2596
03:21:07,000 --> 03:21:08,000
So again, thank you very much.

2597
03:21:08,000 --> 03:21:10,000
Thank you for your time, sir.

2598
03:21:10,000 --> 03:21:11,000
All right.

2599
03:21:11,000 --> 03:21:13,000
Mary Thryer.

2600
03:21:13,000 --> 03:21:15,000
Clairs.

2601
03:21:15,000 --> 03:21:16,000
Senjunga.

2602
03:21:16,000 --> 03:21:17,000
I'm sorry.

2603
03:21:17,000 --> 03:21:18,000
Sorry, but you're that one.

2604
03:21:18,000 --> 03:21:19,000
Sorry.

2605
03:21:19,000 --> 03:21:21,000
Followed by Lauren.

2606
03:21:21,000 --> 03:21:24,000
Zortis.

2607
03:21:24,000 --> 03:21:27,000
Hello, my name is Clare Sensina.

2608
03:21:27,000 --> 03:21:29,000
I actually live in San Francisco.

2609
03:21:29,000 --> 03:21:36,000
But I'm here to honor my son, Kimilo, who worked in the South Bay as an EMT for Falk ambulance.

2610
03:21:36,000 --> 03:21:38,000
So I have his jacket on.

2611
03:21:38,000 --> 03:21:42,000
The big red ambulance you see down here in the South Bay.

2612
03:21:42,000 --> 03:21:45,000
He may have transported some of you.

2613
03:21:45,000 --> 03:21:50,000
And 2014 he completed his paramedic training.

2614
03:21:50,000 --> 03:21:54,000
And he may have saved some of the lives down here in the South Bay.

2615
03:21:54,000 --> 03:22:01,000
But he was killed in a random shooting the week after he completed his paramedic training.

2616
03:22:01,000 --> 03:22:09,000
I now belong to a group of moms and survivors who are speaking up and speaking up to the NRA.

2617
03:22:09,000 --> 03:22:14,000
You don't think it's going to happen to you until it does.

2618
03:22:14,000 --> 03:22:21,000
On this council, those of you who are on this council will leave your job one day.

2619
03:22:21,000 --> 03:22:29,000
And you will reflect on if you made your community a better place or a worse place.

2620
03:22:29,000 --> 03:22:34,000
By supporting the moratorium and really not allowing another gun shop.

2621
03:22:34,000 --> 03:22:39,000
You may, you will have prevented maybe another mother from being in my place.

2622
03:22:39,000 --> 03:22:40,000
Thank you.

2623
03:22:40,000 --> 03:22:42,000
Thank you for your comments.

2624
03:22:42,000 --> 03:22:44,000
Folks, thank you.

2625
03:22:44,000 --> 03:22:58,000
I am a resident of San Carlos.

2626
03:22:58,000 --> 03:23:02,000
I have lived here for 13 years and I am raising my 15 year old son here.

2627
03:23:02,000 --> 03:23:05,000
This is my first time at a city council meeting.

2628
03:23:05,000 --> 03:23:10,000
I can't imagine that you normally have 120 people speaking.

2629
03:23:10,000 --> 03:23:13,000
But that lets you know how important this issue is to this community.

2630
03:23:13,000 --> 03:23:21,000
And I am just, I am stunned and so proud to be a part of a community with such eloquent speakers.

2631
03:23:21,000 --> 03:23:28,000
And I can't add anything more to the reasons why I support the moratorium than all those who have spoken before me.

2632
03:23:28,000 --> 03:23:37,000
But I can add some more statistics because I quickly googled what is what are the gun related deaths in our country right now.

2633
03:23:37,000 --> 03:23:47,000
And the associated press had an article just 11 days ago that states that roughly, I'm sorry,

2634
03:23:47,000 --> 03:23:55,000
the US rate for gun deaths has increased for the second straight year following 15 years of no real change.

2635
03:23:55,000 --> 03:24:01,000
Roughly, 2,3rds of gun deaths are suicides and those have been increasing for about 10 years.

2636
03:24:01,000 --> 03:24:07,000
Overall, there were more than 38,000 gun deaths last year, according to the CDC.

2637
03:24:07,000 --> 03:24:11,000
And that's up from 36,000 in 2015.

2638
03:24:11,000 --> 03:24:14,000
This is clearly a problem in our country.

2639
03:24:14,000 --> 03:24:18,000
In San Mateo County, I don't know if the council is aware.

2640
03:24:18,000 --> 03:24:26,000
We have a wonderful special program with the Sheriff's Office where they confiscate firearms from those who have been prohibited

2641
03:24:26,000 --> 03:24:30,000
because they have been the subject of domestic violence restraining order.

2642
03:24:30,000 --> 03:24:36,000
And January and February of this year alone, 37 guns were confiscated.

2643
03:24:36,000 --> 03:24:40,000
I think we need to have a longer conversation.

2644
03:24:40,000 --> 03:24:43,000
More work it needs to be done.

2645
03:24:43,000 --> 03:24:45,000
More dialogue it needs to be done.

2646
03:24:45,000 --> 03:24:50,000
More research needs to be done about what kind of an impact this will have in our community.

2647
03:24:50,000 --> 03:24:51,000
Thank you.

2648
03:24:51,000 --> 03:24:53,000
Thank you for your comments.

2649
03:24:53,000 --> 03:24:56,000
Julie Lendon.

2650
03:24:57,000 --> 03:24:59,000
Okay. Angel of housing.

2651
03:25:01,000 --> 03:25:02,000
Joanne Wong.

2652
03:25:06,000 --> 03:25:08,000
Oh, Joanne Wong. Thank you.

2653
03:25:08,000 --> 03:25:09,000
Followed by Rich Bon Tempe.

2654
03:25:13,000 --> 03:25:14,000
Welcome.

2655
03:25:15,000 --> 03:25:18,000
I wanted to first thank everyone for staying so late.

2656
03:25:18,000 --> 03:25:22,000
I was taking a cat nap outside, but I think that's hard for you all of you to do that.

2657
03:25:22,000 --> 03:25:23,000
So thank you.

2658
03:25:23,000 --> 03:25:24,000
Don't step back.

2659
03:25:26,000 --> 03:25:33,000
My name is Joanne Wong and I have been a resident of San Carlos for almost 13 years.

2660
03:25:33,000 --> 03:25:37,000
My family and I live in this community and we love this community.

2661
03:25:37,000 --> 03:25:44,000
I have been very involved with the schools and with the communities support.

2662
03:25:44,000 --> 03:25:49,000
I do not feel that San Carlos benefits from having a second gun store in our community.

2663
03:25:49,000 --> 03:25:55,000
It is not necessary and highly questionable place where the gun real tailored with such close proximity to stores and businesses such as

2664
03:25:55,000 --> 03:26:01,000
King Swim Academy that serves families and many young children would be located.

2665
03:26:01,000 --> 03:26:10,000
In addition to all the things that people spoke about this evening, I just wanted to share some additional information that I found in my own research.

2666
03:26:10,000 --> 03:26:17,000
According to 2016 data, San Carlos population is fewer than 30,000 residents.

2667
03:26:18,000 --> 03:26:28,000
Our neighboring cities have double or even triple our town's population and they have only one done retailer in their community.

2668
03:26:28,000 --> 03:26:36,000
Consider this, San Mateo's population of over 100,000 people has one gun retailer.

2669
03:26:36,000 --> 03:26:42,000
Redwood City's population of over 85,000 residents has one gun retailer.

2670
03:26:42,000 --> 03:26:48,000
San Bruno's population of over 42,000 people has one gun retailer.

2671
03:26:48,000 --> 03:26:55,000
In my hometown of South San Francisco, over 65,000 residents, one gun retailer.

2672
03:26:55,000 --> 03:27:06,000
It makes absolutely no sense for a community of our size to have two gun retailers within such close proximity of each other in our same town.

2673
03:27:07,000 --> 03:27:12,000
Thank you so much for your consideration of everything spoken this evening.

2674
03:27:12,000 --> 03:27:22,000
I respectfully request that you, as our San Carlos city council, vote to place a moratorium on this issue.

2675
03:27:22,000 --> 03:27:24,000
Thank you for your comments.

2676
03:27:25,000 --> 03:27:33,000
Rich Bon Tempe, followed by Amanda Tattro, followed by Susan Acrely.

2677
03:27:33,000 --> 03:27:34,000
Welcome.

2678
03:27:34,000 --> 03:27:35,000
Welcome. Greetings.

2679
03:27:35,000 --> 03:27:37,000
Rich Bon Tempe's my name.

2680
03:27:37,000 --> 03:27:41,000
I'm here to probably refute most of the stuff that's been going on tonight.

2681
03:27:41,000 --> 03:27:42,000
I'm against the ban.

2682
03:27:42,000 --> 03:27:50,000
I think you should stick with the plan that you did and not change your mind and make course and re-evaluate it.

2683
03:27:50,000 --> 03:27:57,000
It's a sporting good store and the second amendment is for all of us.

2684
03:27:57,000 --> 03:28:01,000
Whether that's a gun store here or not, somebody can buy a gun.

2685
03:28:01,000 --> 03:28:03,000
Everybody in the city could only gun if they wanted to.

2686
03:28:03,000 --> 03:28:06,000
If they passed the exams and so on.

2687
03:28:06,000 --> 03:28:11,000
There's no reason to throw them under the bus.

2688
03:28:11,000 --> 03:28:16,000
There's also been a lot of fake news stories tonight from the other side.

2689
03:28:16,000 --> 03:28:19,000
There's a lot of fake news stories.

2690
03:28:19,000 --> 03:28:24,000
There's a lot of fake news stories.

2691
03:28:24,000 --> 03:28:29,000
I appeal to you to stay the course and don't listen to fake stuff.

2692
03:28:29,000 --> 03:28:30,000
Thank you very much.

2693
03:28:30,000 --> 03:28:32,000
Thank you for your comments here.

2694
03:28:32,000 --> 03:28:39,000
Amanda Tattro, followed by Susan Acrely, followed by Frederick Hoy.

2695
03:28:40,000 --> 03:28:43,000
I could even name Amanda Tattro.

2696
03:28:43,000 --> 03:28:48,000
I've lived in St. Carlos for six years embracing a ten year old, and a six year old who are students in St. Carlos schools.

2697
03:28:48,000 --> 03:28:54,000
I'd really urge you to support the moratorium to support where frequenters of that area, and in fact we'll be there Friday night for swimming lessons.

2698
03:28:54,000 --> 03:29:03,000
We have friends and businesses there who've already received phone calls from other residents who are afraid to shop there for businesses open.

2699
03:29:03,000 --> 03:29:07,880
And while you've heard a business owner who's prospectively looking at coming here and who

2700
03:29:07,880 --> 03:29:12,680
I frankly as a business person myself can't believe that they didn't do their research

2701
03:29:12,680 --> 03:29:19,320
and understand that we've had a lapse in looking at our rules as respect to gun businesses.

2702
03:29:19,320 --> 03:29:24,800
For years, I can't believe that they didn't opportunistically look at that.

2703
03:29:24,800 --> 03:29:29,080
I would ask you to think about not only the voices you've heard today of the parents,

2704
03:29:29,080 --> 03:29:35,720
the families, the community representatives, the people of elective you and they continue to.

2705
03:29:35,720 --> 03:29:40,040
But that you also think about the businesses that are over there now and that you continue

2706
03:29:40,040 --> 03:29:43,240
to support the businesses that do exist in our community now.

2707
03:29:43,240 --> 03:29:47,240
So I urge you to vote for this moratorium to really listen to what we've had to say tonight.

2708
03:29:47,240 --> 03:29:48,240
Thank you.

2709
03:29:48,240 --> 03:29:49,240
Thank you.

2710
03:29:49,240 --> 03:29:51,240
Have a nice seven more.

2711
03:29:51,240 --> 03:29:56,720
Susan Act Burley, thought of by Frederick Oye, followed by Karen Porter.

2712
03:29:56,720 --> 03:30:00,000
I am Susan Act Burley, and I...

2713
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:29,900
I thank you all for this opportunity to speak. I don't have fake news. I have statistics that is from the Center for Disease Control. I think that is about as accurate as can get. But one last to throw out there. And this is that in 2015, California had, this is about Ben violence rate. It's 7.7 deaths per 100,000. So if you look at our population in our lovely town of about 29,000, that equates to about 2,000.

2714
03:30:30,000 --> 03:30:53,000
I don't hear about gun deaths in this town. And I don't think that someone who is shooting for sport is going to put any of us at risk. I grew up with guns in my house. My father was a duck hunter. But this is a totally different level of gun ownership than someone who is using an assault rifle to hurt little children on a playground.

2715
03:30:53,000 --> 03:31:05,000
We all remember Sandy Hook. My kids went to a rental. When Sandy Hook happened, then Craig Baker, the superintendent went around to all the schools and we assure the parents how don't worry.

2716
03:31:05,000 --> 03:31:21,000
Because all of our schools are open, there's no security, whether it's a rental, terralandous, central, or even caramont. These schools are wide open. And all it takes is one crazy person to get ahold of a gun. I'm not talking about the sports shooters in the house here.

2717
03:31:21,000 --> 03:31:33,000
But it's about controlling what you can control. We can't control the second amendment. But what you can control city council is who comes into our city and the selling of guns.

2718
03:31:33,000 --> 03:31:45,000
We can potentially get a gun into the hand of someone who is going to cause harm to our children. And no one in this room wants to look back and say, should I put a coulda. That's all I have for tonight. Thank you.

2719
03:31:45,000 --> 03:32:03,000
Thank you for your comment. Frederick way. Karen Porter. Followed by Ingrid Hernandez. Good evening.

2720
03:32:03,000 --> 03:32:13,000
I grew up in St. Carlos still have family here. I went to St. Charles in St. Carlos High School. I consider those to be educational institutions not the NRA.

2721
03:32:13,000 --> 03:32:23,000
I don't trust a thing the NRA says. I proudly stand with my fellow citizens in support of the moratorium. I would actually go further for a complete ban.

2722
03:32:23,000 --> 03:32:30,000
I would just add a couple comments. I noted that Turner's representative only gradually admitted they sell.

2723
03:32:30,000 --> 03:32:38,000
I said my automatic weapons when pressed. Now I don't know much about hunting for sport. I prefer to rescue animals.

2724
03:32:38,000 --> 03:32:50,000
But I doubt that there's any legitimate hunter worth their bullets who needs a semi automatic weapon to take down a deer or anyone needs that to take out a home and chewed her for that matter.

2725
03:32:50,000 --> 03:33:00,000
Lastly, I would just like to mention a couple names. You may recognize. Do I need my glasses?

2726
03:33:00,000 --> 03:33:06,000
Emily Garcia Ward, age seven.

2727
03:33:06,000 --> 03:33:16,000
Howdy Ward, age five. Noah Holcomb, age 17 months. Those are just some of the youngest victims of the recent Texas massacre.

2728
03:33:16,000 --> 03:33:22,000
I really really don't want to see anything like that happening in St. Carlos. Thank you for your time.

2729
03:33:22,000 --> 03:33:24,000
Thank you for your comments.

2730
03:33:24,000 --> 03:33:34,000
Thank you.

2731
03:33:34,000 --> 03:33:50,000
Thank you so much council members for staying late and listening to our comments. My name is Holly and I'm quite unique. I'm a San Carlos resident and my hometown is Palmdale, California.

2732
03:33:50,000 --> 03:34:00,000
I was born and raised in Palmdale, California. The place where Turner just opened up a store. Palmdale is a really wonderful place.

2733
03:34:00,000 --> 03:34:12,000
We have Eagle Scouts graduating every year and we also have a history of hunting and fishing in our local Finn and feather club where many of my friends worked.

2734
03:34:12,000 --> 03:34:20,000
And more than enough people know a lot about gun safety. But that couldn't prevent my friend from dying from the gunshot accident.

2735
03:34:20,000 --> 03:34:30,000
She was shot on accident by her brother's best friend and the irony of it all is this happened while they were cleaning guns after they had gone shooting.

2736
03:34:30,000 --> 03:34:38,000
And that was tenth grade. I truly believe that access to the guns could have prevented this accident from happening that day.

2737
03:34:38,000 --> 03:34:44,000
So I respectfully ask for more to orient for me. This is much more than a statistic or number. Thank you.

2738
03:34:44,000 --> 03:34:56,000
Thank you for your comments. Kathleen Goforth followed by Meg Winslow. Kathleen Goforth.

2739
03:34:57,000 --> 03:35:02,000
Thank you for the opportunity to appreciate your patience.

2740
03:35:02,000 --> 03:35:25,000
I've lived in San Carlos for 30 years. I am a victim of gun violence. I've lost a family member to a gunshot on the flip side of my grandmother won a rifle shooting contest.

2741
03:35:25,000 --> 03:35:29,000
I'm not a bad shot myself and my son might go duck hunting.

2742
03:35:29,000 --> 03:35:37,000
But I'm here tonight because I just support the moratorium. I see absolutely no need for another gun store in San Carlos.

2743
03:35:37,000 --> 03:35:43,000
And I believe that a store such as Turner's would be inconsistent with the character and image of this city.

2744
03:35:43,000 --> 03:35:49,000
I'm particularly concerned by the fact that so many of Turner's existing stores have been robbed or burglarized.

2745
03:35:49,000 --> 03:35:57,000
As recently as 2016, so whatever the improvements are that they've instituted aren't working very well.

2746
03:35:57,000 --> 03:36:13,000
I've just disturbed to see that they are the number one recruiter for the NRA, which despite all of itsven safety classes really does not have our best interest and safety at heart.

2747
03:36:13,000 --> 03:36:25,000
And one thing that I haven't heard mentioned that I found birds serving when I was researching this issue and looking at the Turner website is that they sell equipment.

2748
03:36:25,000 --> 03:36:38,000
Detectual gun stocks that essentially get around California's very sensible gun laws by adding to the magazine capacity of their guns so that you can shoot far more rounds far more quickly.

2749
03:36:38,000 --> 03:36:44,000
This is advertised on their website as a great plus to help with self defense.

2750
03:36:44,000 --> 03:36:52,000
I can't imagine a situation that any of us would be likely to be in where that would really be something we need.

2751
03:36:52,000 --> 03:36:54,000
I strongly support the most moratorium.

2752
03:36:54,000 --> 03:36:58,000
I think San Carlos can find better ways to bring in tax revenue.

2753
03:36:58,000 --> 03:37:05,000
And I'd also like to respond to some of the earlier comments about how unfair this is to Turner.

2754
03:37:05,000 --> 03:37:07,000
I did to think about that.

2755
03:37:07,000 --> 03:37:09,000
Sorry, I mean we're out of time.

2756
03:37:09,000 --> 03:37:13,000
I think it's outweighed by the communities concerns.

2757
03:37:13,000 --> 03:37:15,000
Thank you for your comments.

2758
03:37:15,000 --> 03:37:17,000
Meg Winslow.

2759
03:37:19,000 --> 03:37:23,000
Meg Winslow, thanks again for having everybody here tonight.

2760
03:37:23,000 --> 03:37:33,000
I wasn't prepared to speak, but I am neighbors with a very responsible gun owner.

2761
03:37:33,000 --> 03:37:41,000
A safe as big as this, you know, in his garage taught kids how to ski shoot all sorts of things.

2762
03:37:41,000 --> 03:37:49,000
He has a lot of dead animals on his wall that I'm not interested in, but he is, I think he's been very responsible.

2763
03:37:49,000 --> 03:37:57,000
I think his house would be just as tough to break in as what Turner's planning to do.

2764
03:37:57,000 --> 03:38:03,000
Great. Those two places, and I'm sure they're more in San Carlos that are very secure.

2765
03:38:03,000 --> 03:38:09,000
But I also, the first funeral I went to was a year old and pop Warner outfit,

2766
03:38:09,000 --> 03:38:13,000
whose brother accidentally shot him.

2767
03:38:13,000 --> 03:38:15,000
And I have other stories like that.

2768
03:38:15,000 --> 03:38:17,000
It's not worth mentioning.

2769
03:38:17,000 --> 03:38:25,000
So I can see both sides of the issue, and I hope people here can see that.

2770
03:38:25,000 --> 03:38:29,000
The heightened anxiety about what's going on in this country with guns.

2771
03:38:29,000 --> 03:38:37,000
And I thought I'd just mention something that my son's father was just speaking to,

2772
03:38:37,000 --> 03:38:47,000
which is being confirmed as the assistant secretary of defense for health affairs in the Trump administration.

2773
03:38:47,000 --> 03:38:53,000
He may get confirmed or not, Dean Winslow was a current retired in the Air Force.

2774
03:38:53,000 --> 03:38:57,000
He said, I may get in trouble with other members of the committee,

2775
03:38:57,000 --> 03:39:03,000
but just say I know how insane it is that the United States of America in the United States of America,

2776
03:39:03,000 --> 03:39:09,000
a civilian can go out and buy a semi-automatic assault rifle like an AR-15,

2777
03:39:09,000 --> 03:39:11,000
which apparently was the weapon that was used.

2778
03:39:11,000 --> 03:39:17,000
He doesn't know if he's going to be confirmed because of that comment in there.

2779
03:39:17,000 --> 03:39:23,000
He spoke up, and people here are just speaking up about their concerns,

2780
03:39:23,000 --> 03:39:25,000
and I know a matter of time.

2781
03:39:25,000 --> 03:39:27,000
Thank you very much for your comment.

2782
03:39:27,000 --> 03:39:29,000
Is there anyone else wishing to speak on this matter tonight?

2783
03:39:29,000 --> 03:39:31,000
All right.

2784
03:39:31,000 --> 03:39:35,000
But I want to compliment everyone who's here and everyone who was here for your

2785
03:39:35,000 --> 03:39:38,000
civility and your respect of people and their comments.

2786
03:39:38,000 --> 03:39:39,000
Thank you very much.

2787
03:39:39,000 --> 03:39:43,000
You made me proud that showed what San Carlos has made us.

2788
03:39:43,000 --> 03:39:46,000
So, Mr. Mayor.

2789
03:39:46,000 --> 03:39:47,000
Yes, sir.

2790
03:39:47,000 --> 03:39:50,000
I'd like to make a motion to extend the meeting to 11pm.

2791
03:39:50,000 --> 03:39:51,000
All right.

2792
03:39:51,000 --> 03:39:52,000
Is there a second to that?

2793
03:39:52,000 --> 03:39:53,000
That's it.

2794
03:39:53,000 --> 03:39:54,000
All those in favor?

2795
03:39:54,000 --> 03:39:55,000
All right.

2796
03:39:55,000 --> 03:39:56,000
Okay.

2797
03:39:56,000 --> 03:39:57,000
Mr. Mayor.

2798
03:39:57,000 --> 03:40:00,000
I moved to a doctor and it's number 1526.

2799
03:40:00,000 --> 03:40:04,000
1526 and urgency ordinance of the City Council of the City of San Carlos.

2800
03:40:04,000 --> 03:40:11,000
We're so into government code section 65858A imposing a moratorium on retail establishment

2801
03:40:11,000 --> 03:40:17,000
selling ammunition or firearms as defined in municipal code section 9.24.010.

2802
03:40:17,000 --> 03:40:18,000
Second.

2803
03:40:18,000 --> 03:40:19,000
All right.

2804
03:40:19,000 --> 03:40:20,000
It's moved in second and discussion.

2805
03:40:20,000 --> 03:40:22,000
Let me get back to my.

2806
03:40:22,000 --> 03:40:23,000
Okay.

2807
03:40:23,000 --> 03:40:25,000
Mr. Oberk.

2808
03:40:25,000 --> 03:40:26,000
Wow.

2809
03:40:26,000 --> 03:40:27,000
I didn't think I was going to be first.

2810
03:40:27,000 --> 03:40:28,000
No.

2811
03:40:28,000 --> 03:40:29,000
No, it's okay.

2812
03:40:29,000 --> 03:40:30,000
No, it's fine.

2813
03:40:30,000 --> 03:40:31,000
So it's got to be first.

2814
03:40:31,000 --> 03:40:38,000
First of all, I just want to compliment everybody again, particularly when people heard things

2815
03:40:38,000 --> 03:40:40,000
that they really didn't disagree with.

2816
03:40:40,000 --> 03:40:43,000
I think it was great that everybody kept it under control.

2817
03:40:43,000 --> 03:40:48,000
And, you know, it's testament to how great a place San Carlos is.

2818
03:40:48,000 --> 03:40:55,000
I have some comments that I want to make that may strike some folks as perhaps not going far enough.

2819
03:40:55,000 --> 03:41:00,000
And I'll close out with why you may think that.

2820
03:41:00,000 --> 03:41:06,000
It's really important that everybody took the time to come in and share their concerns and perspectives

2821
03:41:06,000 --> 03:41:08,000
and ideas and thoughts here tonight.

2822
03:41:08,000 --> 03:41:10,000
And I'm glad everybody did.

2823
03:41:10,000 --> 03:41:16,000
Decisions involving firearms are always challenging and they always generate discussion and debate.

2824
03:41:16,000 --> 03:41:17,000
There's nothing wrong with that.

2825
03:41:17,000 --> 03:41:20,000
In fact, it's quintessentially American.

2826
03:41:20,000 --> 03:41:26,000
We are, after all, a government of the people by the people and for the people.

2827
03:41:26,000 --> 03:41:32,000
Part of what makes firearm discussions complex is that guns to my knowledge are the only good of service

2828
03:41:32,000 --> 03:41:35,000
that specifically mentioned in our constitution.

2829
03:41:35,000 --> 03:41:40,000
That great guiding document does not protect the right to own a horse or a plow or an axe.

2830
03:41:40,000 --> 03:41:46,000
Even though each of those was as important as a firearm to the people who lived at the time of constitution was ratified.

2831
03:41:46,000 --> 03:41:52,000
But that very uniqueness demonstrates that the founders expected,

2832
03:41:52,000 --> 03:41:57,000
government to play a role in how guns are owned, used, bought and sold.

2833
03:41:57,000 --> 03:42:02,000
Because otherwise, they wouldn't have bothered to mention it, just like it didn't bother to mention all those other things.

2834
03:42:02,000 --> 03:42:07,000
Firearms are in a special category, not to make them immune to community regulation,

2835
03:42:07,000 --> 03:42:15,000
but simply to require the government of the people to take great care when designing laws and regulations involving guns.

2836
03:42:16,000 --> 03:42:24,000
That means it is perfectly reasonable and constitutional for St. Carlos to draft local rules and regulations involving firearms,

2837
03:42:24,000 --> 03:42:30,000
subject to constitutional constraints and the limitations imposed by state and federal law.

2838
03:42:30,000 --> 03:42:36,000
But an important question beyond that is actually whether this council should engage in such discussions.

2839
03:42:36,000 --> 03:42:43,000
There are a lot of things that come up that we could talk about, but we don't always do that because of limited time and priorities.

2840
03:42:43,000 --> 03:42:50,000
But for me, the clearest answer to that question is contained in all the people who are here tonight,

2841
03:42:50,000 --> 03:42:54,000
and the sheer volume of emails, phone calls, letters and personnel outreach,

2842
03:42:54,000 --> 03:42:59,000
people walking door to door and collecting signatures at a moment's notice.

2843
03:42:59,000 --> 03:43:02,000
All about this proposed new gun store.

2844
03:43:02,000 --> 03:43:07,000
Whether those people want us to take steps to stop the store from opening, control its location,

2845
03:43:07,000 --> 03:43:11,000
regulated operations, or simply leave it alone so it can open.

2846
03:43:11,000 --> 03:43:17,000
An awful lot of residents care about the issues raised by the opening of a new gun store in St. Carlos.

2847
03:43:17,000 --> 03:43:20,000
In fact, I've told many people, this is true.

2848
03:43:20,000 --> 03:43:24,000
I've received more input on this topic than at any other issue that's come before me,

2849
03:43:24,000 --> 03:43:27,000
and that's in 16 years as a local elected official.

2850
03:43:27,000 --> 03:43:30,000
And we dealt with some pretty hot issues on the school board, but I was there.

2851
03:43:30,000 --> 03:43:34,000
As you might imagine, parents get a little bit concerned about their kid's schools.

2852
03:43:35,000 --> 03:43:41,000
That alone argues strongly that this council should undertake a review of our existing rules

2853
03:43:41,000 --> 03:43:44,000
and regulations governing firearm stores.

2854
03:43:44,000 --> 03:43:47,000
But why impose a moratorium if all we need is a review?

2855
03:43:47,000 --> 03:43:52,000
That's simple. Events can make decisions for us preventing thoughtful review.

2856
03:43:52,000 --> 03:43:59,000
By law, precedence greatly influenced the rules and regulations which any government of the people can create.

2857
03:43:59,000 --> 03:44:05,000
We need a moratorium to stop the music and give us time to learn, discuss, reflect, and decide.

2858
03:44:05,000 --> 03:44:09,000
Is there a degree of unfairness to turn around this? Yes, of course.

2859
03:44:09,000 --> 03:44:13,000
But one of the very first lessons I learned is an elected official all those years ago.

2860
03:44:13,000 --> 03:44:19,000
Is that none, and I mean none of the important decisions that I've ever made on behalf of my community,

2861
03:44:19,000 --> 03:44:21,000
benefit everybody.

2862
03:44:21,000 --> 03:44:26,000
That's not because we elected officials have a perverse desire to cause problems for our constituents.

2863
03:44:26,000 --> 03:44:31,000
That's like the last thing that we want to do because we like to get reelected.

2864
03:44:31,000 --> 03:44:37,000
It's because the simplest things we do are complex and inevitably create difficulties for somebody.

2865
03:44:37,000 --> 03:44:45,000
I fully support in acting this moratorium and taking whatever time we need to thoroughly consider all the issues and factors involved

2866
03:44:45,000 --> 03:44:50,000
and defining some good 21st century regulations covering gun stores in our community.

2867
03:44:51,000 --> 03:44:57,000
And for those of you who wonder why I may not go beyond that since I was also the person on a council who matt alluded to several times tonight.

2868
03:44:57,000 --> 03:45:00,000
And others did as well who kept bringing up the issue.

2869
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:08,000
Of why this council should take up discussions of further gun-right local gun regulation over the last few years.

2870
03:45:08,000 --> 03:45:16,000
The reason I'm not going into that right now is, assuming we get the moratorium in place, which I hope we do, we will have time for all those discussions.

2871
03:45:16,000 --> 03:45:23,000
And I have a lot of ideas about that. I've been learning a lot from other people as well. I've been learning a lot from many of you who have reached out to me.

2872
03:45:23,000 --> 03:45:28,000
So I hope we get the moratorium. I definitely support it. Stay involved, stay engaged.

2873
03:45:28,000 --> 03:45:34,000
Let's build an even better St. Carlos than we have today. Thank you. Mr. Johnson.

2874
03:45:34,000 --> 03:45:43,000
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I want to thank everybody who took the time to make their voice heard as part of this important discussion.

2875
03:45:43,000 --> 03:45:54,000
Whenever there are divisive issues that come before the city council, I remind myself that my job essentially consists of three things.

2876
03:45:54,000 --> 03:46:03,000
The first is to follow the law. The second is to listen to the community and try to represent your views.

2877
03:46:03,000 --> 03:46:11,000
And then the third is to do my best to represent the entire community and think about your long-term best interest.

2878
03:46:11,000 --> 03:46:16,000
So I'm going to be supporting the moratorium this evening.

2879
03:46:16,000 --> 03:46:26,000
The first question I ask is, is this legal, do we have this authority? And as has been shown tonight, the ability to regulate where businesses may locate,

2880
03:46:26,000 --> 03:46:31,000
how they may operate, is something that we do quite often in the city.

2881
03:46:31,000 --> 03:46:37,000
The second question is, what is the community want? A lot of times that's very difficult to figure out.

2882
03:46:37,000 --> 03:46:48,000
You guys made it very clear to me tonight. Many of you spoke out tonight. Many, many more reached out via email or called me.

2883
03:46:48,000 --> 03:47:02,000
I met with a number of you and I want to tell you what I heard. Many of you told me that you have loved ones who are the victims of gun violence or you yourselves for the victims of gun violence.

2884
03:47:02,000 --> 03:47:18,000
Many of you have expressed anguish over many of our fellow citizens who have been the victims of gun violence either through countless daily shootings or some of the more horrific mass shootings in Newtown,

2885
03:47:18,000 --> 03:47:34,000
southernland Springs, Las Vegas. Many of you, when you read the news and you hear of yet another random shooting, think to yourself, could that have been me?

2886
03:47:34,000 --> 03:47:38,000
Could that have been my child?

2887
03:47:38,000 --> 03:47:51,000
And many of you are justifiably outraged that after all this accumulated tragedy seemingly nothing has been done.

2888
03:47:51,000 --> 03:48:00,000
Now I want to say that a number of other people have spoken out and have shared emails with me that have a different perspective.

2889
03:48:00,000 --> 03:48:05,000
For them guns do not inspire fear, they make them feel safe.

2890
03:48:05,000 --> 03:48:16,000
For them guns are a symbol of freedom and liberty. It's a part of their lives. It's something that they've had since they were young children.

2891
03:48:16,000 --> 03:48:26,000
Well, I don't necessarily identify myself with those views. I do want to say that you can have those views and you can be a valued member of our community.

2892
03:48:26,000 --> 03:48:36,000
And that you deserve our respect.

2893
03:48:36,000 --> 03:48:44,000
So, as I said, I think the community has been very clear where it stands this evening.

2894
03:48:44,000 --> 03:48:50,000
Lastly, I think about what is in the long term best interest of our entire community.

2895
03:48:50,000 --> 03:48:56,000
And I want to share a couple thoughts with all of us tonight.

2896
03:48:56,000 --> 03:49:06,000
One way to look at the discussion that we have tonight is that this is a proxy for the national debate on gun control.

2897
03:49:06,000 --> 03:49:10,000
I actually don't think that's what this is.

2898
03:49:10,000 --> 03:49:22,000
If we pass this moratorium tonight tomorrow, many people in St. Carlos will own guns tomorrow, it will be legal to buy a gun in the city of St. Carlos.

2899
03:49:22,000 --> 03:49:30,000
And yet St. Carlos will still be a very safe, very welcoming and very wonderful place to live.

2900
03:49:30,000 --> 03:49:36,000
And well, I personally would like to see our gun laws in this country dramatically changed.

2901
03:49:36,000 --> 03:49:40,000
We do not have the authority to get that to you.

2902
03:49:40,000 --> 03:49:50,000
So I want to actually challenge all of you and ask you to join with all of us on two things.

2903
03:49:50,000 --> 03:49:56,000
The first is if you believe that we need to reduce gun violence in this country, and if you want to make a positive change,

2904
03:49:56,000 --> 03:50:00,000
your advocacy must go beyond the city limits.

2905
03:50:00,000 --> 03:50:05,000
Ultimately, this is going to require a federal or state solution.

2906
03:50:05,000 --> 03:50:12,000
And you need to continue to make your voices heard, and I will be there to support you.

2907
03:50:12,000 --> 03:50:25,000
The second thing is that whenever we are faced with divisive issues, one of the things that comes out in a community like ours is a recognition that there are other people who are our neighbors who don't share the same view as we do.

2908
03:50:25,000 --> 03:50:30,000
And we are all faced with a choice when we find that out.

2909
03:50:30,000 --> 03:50:34,000
One we can harden our views and we can dismiss other people.

2910
03:50:34,000 --> 03:50:39,000
And I think that there is way too much of that going on in this country right now.

2911
03:50:39,000 --> 03:50:49,000
The other choice is to try to understand other people's views to reach out to look for common humanity and to try and find common ground.

2912
03:50:49,000 --> 03:50:57,000
And I hope that we can do that not just on this issue, but on all of the divisive issues that are facing our country and our community.

2913
03:50:57,000 --> 03:50:59,000
So thank you very much.

2914
03:50:59,000 --> 03:51:02,000
Thank you Mr. Johnson, Mr. Collins.

2915
03:51:02,000 --> 03:51:04,000
Thank you Mr. Mayor.

2916
03:51:04,000 --> 03:51:10,000
I want to add my thanks to everybody who came out tonight and spoke and stayed.

2917
03:51:10,000 --> 03:51:19,000
Just a truly amazing album and it's just very, it's very humbling when you sit up here and you just watch all these passionate stories.

2918
03:51:19,000 --> 03:51:29,000
But if I've learned one thing over the last two weeks, it's a people feel very passionately about this issue as evidenced by the nearly 600 emails we've gotten.

2919
03:51:29,000 --> 03:51:32,000
But this community has always been engaged.

2920
03:51:32,000 --> 03:51:34,000
This is how we do things in St. Carlos.

2921
03:51:34,000 --> 03:51:35,000
We study things.

2922
03:51:35,000 --> 03:51:37,000
We look at the best practices.

2923
03:51:37,000 --> 03:51:42,000
We check out what other cities do and what when they face similar issues.

2924
03:51:42,000 --> 03:51:49,000
Our decisions are made only after we have had open and honest discussions based on facts and sound assumptions.

2925
03:51:49,000 --> 03:51:57,000
As with our major police and fire department changes several years ago, temporary moratoriums on other businesses in town.

2926
03:51:57,000 --> 03:52:05,000
Citizen committees to review lot size house rule, lot house size rules and zoning improvements to encourage financially

2927
03:52:05,000 --> 03:52:08,000
Staving up to stabilizing economic development.

2928
03:52:08,000 --> 03:52:12,000
We have followed a deliberate and focused process.

2929
03:52:12,000 --> 03:52:20,000
We have also made some decisions that weren't very popular with some, but they were in the best interest and benefit of the greatest number of people in town.

2930
03:52:20,000 --> 03:52:22,000
We don't follow the crowd.

2931
03:52:22,000 --> 03:52:29,000
And we're not intimidated by those who would question our intelligence and our patriotism as some emails did.

2932
03:52:29,000 --> 03:52:36,000
Mostly by people from who don't live here, some from Southern California, some from Texas.

2933
03:52:36,000 --> 03:52:40,000
I was very happy to see so many St. Carlos residents tonight.

2934
03:52:40,000 --> 03:52:42,000
We listen to our residents.

2935
03:52:42,000 --> 03:52:47,000
When they speak up, we pay attention and they've spoken and you've spoken loudly.

2936
03:52:47,000 --> 03:52:50,000
We on the Council are public servants.

2937
03:52:50,000 --> 03:52:52,000
This is what public servants do.

2938
03:52:52,000 --> 03:52:57,000
No one can claim that they are more American or more patriotic by the views they hold.

2939
03:52:57,000 --> 03:53:05,000
It is our unique right indeed our duty as Americans to debate issues like this before we decide how to move forward.

2940
03:53:05,000 --> 03:53:10,000
Our goal is not to take anyone's right to own and gun away.

2941
03:53:10,000 --> 03:53:19,000
But to make sure that whatever we do is well fought out within the law, preserves, or enhances public safety for our residents.

2942
03:53:19,000 --> 03:53:26,000
And as a reflection of the type of community, our residents expected when they chose to live here.

2943
03:53:26,000 --> 03:53:30,000
If this more authoritarian is put into effect, which I will fully support,

2944
03:53:30,000 --> 03:53:39,000
it won't be because we don't like or want more guns and it won't be because we cave to those trying to deny anyone their second amendment rights.

2945
03:53:40,000 --> 03:53:47,000
It'll be because we want to make sure that we make the right decision for the right reasons for the people we were elected to serve.

2946
03:53:47,000 --> 03:53:49,000
Thank you.

2947
03:53:49,000 --> 03:53:50,000
Thank you.

2948
03:53:54,000 --> 03:54:00,000
Well, I don't have any pre-written speech, because this is not supposed to be speech time.

2949
03:54:00,000 --> 03:54:04,000
It's supposed to be discussion amongst council members.

2950
03:54:04,000 --> 03:54:19,000
And that's something I'm very dismayed about because what I saw here tonight was people coming with one side of a view and very many, obviously a high percentage.

2951
03:54:19,000 --> 03:54:24,000
And then a few people come with a different view.

2952
03:54:24,000 --> 03:54:26,000
And I was really dismayed.

2953
03:54:26,000 --> 03:54:36,000
Well, the rest of the council thinks you're all great, and I'm not saying you're not great, but it was very disappointing to me when this gentleman in the blue shirt over here.

2954
03:54:36,000 --> 03:54:45,000
He was the first guy to get up and talk about the NRA and owning a gun and so forth.

2955
03:54:45,000 --> 03:54:52,000
I could tell by the audiences noises that they were making or they didn't like what he was saying.

2956
03:54:52,000 --> 03:55:01,000
But he sat through, you know, an hour and a half of other people's comments, and he was quiet.

2957
03:55:01,000 --> 03:55:06,000
I watched him never said a word or made a noise.

2958
03:55:06,000 --> 03:55:13,000
And yet some of you folks had to show your disappointment with what he was saying.

2959
03:55:13,000 --> 03:55:16,000
I heard a lot about the NRA tonight.

2960
03:55:16,000 --> 03:55:18,000
What a bad organization it is.

2961
03:55:18,000 --> 03:55:21,000
Well, that's because you're opposed to guns.

2962
03:55:21,000 --> 03:55:25,000
The NRA is a good organization in my opinion.

2963
03:55:25,000 --> 03:55:35,000
The NRA, if you get involved with the NRA, they're all about training, teaching you how to own a firearm, what the laws are.

2964
03:55:35,000 --> 03:55:37,000
Don't laugh, it's true.

2965
03:55:37,000 --> 03:55:41,000
It is true.

2966
03:55:41,000 --> 03:55:46,000
I'm looking at this.

2967
03:55:46,000 --> 03:55:50,000
It's a good organization.

2968
03:55:50,000 --> 03:55:55,000
All these gun violence incidents that you've heard about.

2969
03:55:55,000 --> 03:56:00,000
Has it ever been an NRA member that has done that?

2970
03:56:00,000 --> 03:56:08,000
I challenge you to find an incident where was an NRA member.

2971
03:56:08,000 --> 03:56:23,000
I can't remember if any, not recently, not, you know, Sandy Hook, not Las Vegas, none of them.

2972
03:56:23,000 --> 03:56:37,000
And that's because the NRA is all about teaching the proper way to use a gun, to own a gun, to store a gun, et cetera.

2973
03:56:37,000 --> 03:56:43,000
And you may not agree with that, but it's true.

2974
03:56:43,000 --> 03:57:06,000
I find it interesting that this whole thing with everybody knowing about turners, from at least my understanding of the story, happened because of a priest at a church in town, saw the sign that this gentleman put up.

2975
03:57:06,000 --> 03:57:12,000
Saying we're going to be opening our store and we're going to be hiring.

2976
03:57:12,000 --> 03:57:24,000
Now that same priest, his church, put up a sign that was three sheets of plywood on the corner where his church is located.

2977
03:57:24,000 --> 03:57:31,000
And he was painted, you know, rainbow colors and it said, all are welcome here.

2978
03:57:31,000 --> 03:57:35,000
Well, I checked with city staff.

2979
03:57:35,000 --> 03:57:39,000
Did that church come to the city to see about getting a permit for that sign?

2980
03:57:39,000 --> 03:57:41,000
No.

2981
03:57:41,000 --> 03:57:45,000
I asked city staff if they had, would they have been allowed to put it up?

2982
03:57:45,000 --> 03:57:54,000
Well, maybe because there are ordinances about how much sign as you can have and where you can locate it, so forth.

2983
03:57:54,000 --> 03:58:10,000
But the sign went up and it stood there and I asked city staff that didn't anybody from the city staff notice it and go and talk to the church about, you know, not being properly in the proper place or whatever.

2984
03:58:10,000 --> 03:58:21,000
Well, even if we had noticed that we didn't, I don't know that anybody did is the answer I got, but even if we had we wouldn't have done anything about it because we go on a complaint basis.

2985
03:58:21,000 --> 03:58:27,000
So if you're, no one complains against something you're doing, then you're allowed to do it.

2986
03:58:27,000 --> 03:58:42,000
But the point is there was a leniency towards that church's right to free expression, which it's not people talk about, oh, it's a second amendment right or it's a constitution right.

2987
03:58:42,000 --> 03:58:43,000
No, it isn't.

2988
03:58:43,000 --> 03:58:45,000
It's a God given right.

2989
03:58:45,000 --> 03:58:47,000
It's a natural right.

2990
03:58:48,000 --> 03:58:51,000
You have those rights because you're a human being.

2991
03:58:51,000 --> 03:59:03,000
Now, Mark talked about the second amendment, it's the only, you know, property thing that the constitution mentions in the bill of rights.

2992
03:59:03,000 --> 03:59:11,000
Well, it's not because it's not mentioned in there because the founders that are the framers, excuse me, the framers of the constitution,

2993
03:59:11,000 --> 03:59:18,000
want a government involved, quite the contrary, it reads, shall not be infringed.

2994
03:59:18,000 --> 03:59:20,000
That's saying, government, stay out of this.

2995
03:59:20,000 --> 03:59:26,000
And what I find interesting about the second amendment is that if you read the first amendment, it says,

2996
03:59:26,000 --> 03:59:33,000
Congress shall make no law infringing upon free speech, religion and other things.

2997
03:59:33,000 --> 03:59:36,000
Second amendment doesn't seem anything about the federal government.

2998
03:59:36,000 --> 03:59:44,000
It just says, shall not be infringed, doesn't mention by what government just says it won't be.

2999
03:59:50,000 --> 03:59:55,000
Somebody said that Rob here should have looked at St. Carlos better.

3000
03:59:55,000 --> 04:00:00,000
Well, maybe he did, maybe he looked at those two council meetings where it was.

3001
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:13,000
We should look at gun sales and gun stores. And so forth. And he got, it was brought up by Mark one time, and I think it was brought up by Ron one time.

3002
04:00:13,000 --> 04:00:27,000
And there wasn't any support on the council to discuss the issue. Maybe Rob saw that and said, hey, here's a good place to go, because there's not a majority on the council that wants to make issue out of this.

3003
04:00:28,000 --> 04:00:45,000
People talked about, that's a bad location, because my kids go to swimming academy or this, you know, there's other stores around there. You know, if you go over to Dublin, there's a store called guns fishing and other stuff.

3004
04:00:45,000 --> 04:01:10,000
And it's right there next to a bunch of other stores, right in the heart of Dublin, which is just over in, you know, on 580 little town, not too different from St. Carlos except it's right there next to Livermore, which, by the way, population, I think 80,000 and they have three or four gun stores in Livermore.

3005
04:01:10,000 --> 04:01:17,000
So I've never heard of anything happening in Dublin, and there's a good store right there.

3006
04:01:17,000 --> 04:01:24,000
There's not much that's happened in St. Carlos, all the years that we've been here and all the years that,

3007
04:01:25,000 --> 04:01:34,000
Smellers and Everett have been here, just a few incidents, and that's it.

3008
04:01:34,000 --> 04:01:39,000
I just made the so many people are afraid of guns.

3009
04:01:39,000 --> 04:01:48,000
If you're that afraid of a gun and you've probably never handled one, never, never been involved with guns too much.

3010
04:01:48,000 --> 04:01:55,000
Yes, they are frightening if they're misused, and you need to know what you're doing when you're handling one.

3011
04:01:55,000 --> 04:02:00,000
But you don't have to be afraid of them.

3012
04:02:00,000 --> 04:02:10,000
To me, what all this boils down to, I just gave my little speech because Urban else has, but really the issue at hand here is a moratorium.

3013
04:02:10,000 --> 04:02:14,000
And if we do a moratorium, the city manager said, it'll be two years.

3014
04:02:14,000 --> 04:02:17,000
So one or two things will happen.

3015
04:02:17,000 --> 04:02:29,000
We'll end up with lawsuits on our hand from either turners or a gun organization like the NRA or the California Rifle and Pistol Association,

3016
04:02:29,000 --> 04:02:38,000
or we cut it short, and turners is allowed to open their stores.

3017
04:02:38,000 --> 04:02:39,000
They're sore.

3018
04:02:39,000 --> 04:02:50,000
I find it wholly unfair to say to them, we're put in a moratorium, and the $125,000 you've invested, kiss it goodbye.

3019
04:02:50,000 --> 04:02:57,000
Another thing I asked city staff about was when we've done moratoriums in the past,

3020
04:02:57,000 --> 04:03:05,000
have they been to prevent a business entirely from operating in San Carlos, or is it like we did with the dollar store?

3021
04:03:05,000 --> 04:03:07,000
Which had made no investment.

3022
04:03:07,000 --> 04:03:13,000
All they did was ask a realtor about that particular location, and that's as far as they got.

3023
04:03:13,000 --> 04:03:21,000
We heard wind of it and said, oh boy, we need to do an emergency ordinance to prevent a dollar store from going in at we're being cases.

3024
04:03:21,000 --> 04:03:24,000
But that's all they had done.

3025
04:03:24,000 --> 04:03:30,000
But it's not like we said, no dollar stores in San Carlos, we just said, we don't want one there.

3026
04:03:30,000 --> 04:03:37,000
When we did a moratorium on banks and hair parlors and nails a lot.

3027
04:03:37,000 --> 04:03:40,000
We didn't say, you can't have any more in San Carlos.

3028
04:03:40,000 --> 04:03:45,000
We just said, if you're going to put in Lord One, and it has to be so many doors away from an existing one.

3029
04:03:45,000 --> 04:03:51,000
So the moratoriums we've done haven't been to prevent a business from happening.

3030
04:03:51,000 --> 04:03:56,000
But what I hear from most of you who've spoken tonight, you're so afraid of guns,

3031
04:03:56,000 --> 04:04:00,000
it's like we don't want any more gun stores ever, ever, ever in San Carlos.

3032
04:04:00,000 --> 04:04:03,000
And even in Smithers' closes, we want it gone.

3033
04:04:03,000 --> 04:04:04,000
And that's what you want.

3034
04:04:04,000 --> 04:04:06,000
I know, that's what you want.

3035
04:04:06,000 --> 04:04:11,000
This man's nodding his head in approval.

3036
04:04:11,000 --> 04:04:13,000
Okay, hello.

3037
04:04:13,000 --> 04:04:17,000
We're still in a finish up here.

3038
04:04:17,000 --> 04:04:22,000
So I will not vote in favor of a moratorium because it's not fair.

3039
04:04:22,000 --> 04:04:24,000
It's not fair for this business.

3040
04:04:24,000 --> 04:04:28,000
I've gotten as far along as they did with the application.

3041
04:04:28,000 --> 04:04:35,000
And because a priest from a church finds out about it and then pretty soon we have a fire storm.

3042
04:04:35,000 --> 04:04:38,000
Well, that's not fair.

3043
04:04:38,000 --> 04:04:40,000
And by the way, we're not at a democracy.

3044
04:04:40,000 --> 04:04:42,000
We're a republic.

3045
04:04:42,000 --> 04:04:45,000
That's my closing statement.

3046
04:04:45,000 --> 04:04:51,000
As the hour is late, let's make a couple of comments and we can vote.

3047
04:04:51,000 --> 04:04:57,000
You know, I tried, I've always said I was trying to talk to everybody about everything.

3048
04:04:57,000 --> 04:04:58,000
All sides.

3049
04:04:58,000 --> 04:05:00,000
I met with the Turner folks.

3050
04:05:00,000 --> 04:05:03,000
I met with folks on the other side of the issue.

3051
04:05:03,000 --> 04:05:06,000
I read as much as I could.

3052
04:05:06,000 --> 04:05:11,000
I might be the only, I'm not sure, I guess I might be the only person up here that wasn't a military.

3053
04:05:11,000 --> 04:05:18,000
And if handled weapons before, this is an issue to me of community standards.

3054
04:05:18,000 --> 04:05:20,000
That's just what it boils down to.

3055
04:05:20,000 --> 04:05:25,000
And what kind of standards does community want?

3056
04:05:25,000 --> 04:05:31,000
And it's pretty evidence to me what kind of standards at this point the community wants.

3057
04:05:31,000 --> 04:05:37,000
I think we need to take a breath as I need to use the term or one of the gentlemen use the term.

3058
04:05:37,000 --> 04:05:43,000
And put this more toriom in effect and see what we can come out of it.

3059
04:05:43,000 --> 04:05:49,000
Whether that means we'll have sporting good and gun stores allowed or whether there will be more restrictions.

3060
04:05:49,000 --> 04:05:52,000
I think we need to discuss it a little more.

3061
04:05:52,000 --> 04:05:55,000
And that's where I'm going to end up and that's where we'll go.

3062
04:05:55,000 --> 04:06:00,000
So having said that, I'll call the question.

3063
04:06:00,000 --> 04:06:01,000
Councilmember Collins.

3064
04:06:01,000 --> 04:06:02,000
Yes.

3065
04:06:02,000 --> 04:06:03,000
Councilmember Grukat.

3066
04:06:03,000 --> 04:06:04,000
No.

3067
04:06:04,000 --> 04:06:05,000
Councilmember Johnson.

3068
04:06:05,000 --> 04:06:06,000
Yes.

3069
04:06:06,000 --> 04:06:07,000
Councilmember Obert.

3070
04:06:07,000 --> 04:06:08,000
Hello, yes.

3071
04:06:08,000 --> 04:06:09,000
And Mayor Gersilly.

3072
04:06:09,000 --> 04:06:10,000
Yes.

3073
04:06:10,000 --> 04:06:13,000
So that concludes item 8A.

3074
04:06:13,000 --> 04:06:15,000
We have two or three other items to go here.

3075
04:06:15,000 --> 04:06:17,000
I'm going to take a 10 minute recess.

3076
04:06:17,000 --> 04:06:19,000
And then we'll go from there.

3077
04:06:19,000 --> 04:06:20,000
We'll go from there.

3078
04:06:20,000 --> 04:06:21,000
Yes.

3079
04:06:21,000 --> 04:06:23,000
And then we'll go from there.

3080
04:06:23,000 --> 04:06:24,000
Okay.

3081
04:06:24,000 --> 04:06:25,000
We'll see.

3082
04:06:25,000 --> 04:06:26,000
Mr. Williams.

3083
04:06:26,000 --> 04:06:27,000
And then we can.

3084
04:06:27,000 --> 04:06:31,000
We need to have a motion to extend the meeting past 11 o'clock.

3085
04:06:31,000 --> 04:06:33,000
Mayor.

3086
04:06:33,000 --> 04:06:34,000
I agree.

3087
04:06:34,000 --> 04:06:35,000
We have seven meetings to 1115.

3088
04:06:35,000 --> 04:06:36,000
Okay, there's a motion for 1115.

3089
04:06:36,000 --> 04:06:37,000
It's our second.

3090
04:06:37,000 --> 04:06:38,000
All right.

3091
04:06:38,000 --> 04:06:39,000
I wasn't there for say aye.

3092
04:06:39,000 --> 04:06:42,000
We will come back here at a cross with 11 o'clock.

3093
04:06:42,000 --> 04:06:44,000
We'll take the seven minutes.

3094
04:10:17,000 --> 04:10:19,000
You

3095
04:10:47,000 --> 04:10:58,680
When a clock wears, I think Mr. Groke had the lead, but let's get back to what we have to

3096
04:10:58,680 --> 04:11:07,960
do here. Okay. Mr. Groke, unfortunately, wasn't feeling well and had to go home, but

3097
04:11:07,960 --> 04:11:12,440
we are going to AP, consideration of adopting resolution, authorizing additional full-time maintenance

3098
04:11:12,440 --> 04:11:16,480
worker in the public works department. Who's going to be speaking on that?

3099
04:11:16,480 --> 04:11:23,280
I'll do it just for the sake of being speedy here. Mr. Mayor, members of the City Council,

3100
04:11:23,280 --> 04:11:31,360
Jeff Malphe, City Manager. In the last budget, the City Council authorized $128,000 in professional

3101
04:11:31,360 --> 04:11:41,040
services funding to help clean all the trash capture devices that the regional water quality

3102
04:11:41,040 --> 04:11:47,280
control board are requiring cities to put in. What we're asking tonight is to convert that

3103
04:11:47,280 --> 04:11:56,080
128,000 from professional services into another maintenance worker position within the public

3104
04:11:56,080 --> 04:12:00,400
works department to do that. There's no additional costs to the budget. This is the dollar for

3105
04:12:00,400 --> 04:12:07,360
dollar conversion that includes all the benefits and salary and everything, so there's no cost associated with it.

3106
04:12:08,160 --> 04:12:14,320
It's something that we would not be able to contract out for without going through a very lengthy

3107
04:12:14,320 --> 04:12:22,480
and in contentious process with the labor union, which would be something actually the council has

3108
04:12:22,480 --> 04:12:30,160
done in the past on certain issues, but in this case with no cost savings to be had, it doesn't make any sense

3109
04:12:30,160 --> 04:12:36,560
to go and do that. Thank you for your statement of comments here. Any questions? If not, I'll

3110
04:12:36,560 --> 04:12:43,120
entertain a motion. Mr. Mayor, I moved to adopt a resolution 2017-97. 97, a resolution of the City Council

3111
04:12:43,120 --> 04:12:45,760
of the City Council of the City Council, the City Council is authorizing additional full-time maintenance

3112
04:12:45,760 --> 04:12:51,760
worker in the public works department. Second, by any discussion? Hearing none, I'm roll call please.

3113
04:12:51,840 --> 04:12:56,400
House member Collins? Yes. House member Johnson? Yes. House member Obert? Yes.

3114
04:12:56,400 --> 04:13:00,960
In every city? Yes. All right. Moving on to H.C. consideration of adopting a resolution adopted

3115
04:13:00,960 --> 04:13:04,880
a memorandum. I'm understanding between the City of San Carlos and the American

3116
04:13:05,600 --> 04:13:11,200
local eight five six freight checkers, clerical employees and helpers union, international brotherhood of

3117
04:13:11,200 --> 04:13:19,200
teamsters, I.B.T. Unit for the period September 1st, 2017 through August 31st, 2019. Ms. Mendenhall?

3118
04:13:19,840 --> 04:13:25,840
We're back and then in the Administrative Services Director. In the interests of time, I'll

3119
04:13:25,840 --> 04:13:31,600
try to keep this brief. Before you tonight is a consideration of a memorandum of understanding,

3120
04:13:31,600 --> 04:13:36,960
tentatively agreed to by the teamsters unit. This M.O.U. expired their current M.O.U.

3121
04:13:36,960 --> 04:13:42,160
expired on August 31st and the City staff is met and conferred with the union for several

3122
04:13:42,160 --> 04:13:47,680
months before coming to the agreement. The unit is comprised of 17 budgeted compositions, including

3123
04:13:47,680 --> 04:13:52,080
the one you just approved, then mechanics, maintenance workers and senior maintenance workers.

3124
04:13:53,600 --> 04:13:59,120
Okay. The demo used for a term of two years, ending on August 31st, 2019.

3125
04:13:59,920 --> 04:14:05,440
The fiscal impact of this agreement is approximately $50,000 this fiscal year and is estimated to be

3126
04:14:05,440 --> 04:14:11,280
81,000 next fiscal year since we budget conservatively, there's no need to adjust the budget at this time.

3127
04:14:12,160 --> 04:14:17,440
Other major components include a salary adjustment of 3% in the first year, effective

3128
04:14:17,440 --> 04:14:24,000
upon ratification of all the parties, and 3% effective the first pay period after September 1st, 2018.

3129
04:14:25,200 --> 04:14:33,200
Also included is an on-call duty pay increase from one hour of comp time or straight pay time to two hours.

3130
04:14:34,000 --> 04:14:37,440
This will be paid when employees are required to be on-call during the week.

3131
04:14:38,160 --> 04:14:45,600
There's an increase in the annual uniform allowance of $560 to $725 per year reported to CalPERS

3132
04:14:45,600 --> 04:14:52,800
for those employees who are eligible and Union Access to Employer Intation. This is a new assembly

3133
04:14:52,800 --> 04:14:57,760
bill that was signed into law of June this year, and it gives the Union the ability to meet with the new

3134
04:14:57,760 --> 04:14:59,760
employees during orientation.

3135
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:06,000
City has agreed that we will set aside up to 30 minutes of time during the orientation meetings for the union to meet with the employee.

3136
04:15:06,000 --> 04:15:09,000
Okay. Questions from Senator Hall?

3137
04:15:09,000 --> 04:15:12,000
If no questions, I'll entertain a motion.

3138
04:15:12,000 --> 04:15:16,000
Mr. Mayor, I move to adopt the resolution 2017-98.

3139
04:15:16,000 --> 04:15:17,000
98.

3140
04:15:17,000 --> 04:15:27,000
A resolution of the City Council of the City of San Carlos, adopting a memorandum of understanding between the city of San Carlos and the American Local 856

3141
04:15:27,000 --> 04:15:39,000
Freight Checkers, clerical employees, and helpers union, international brotherhood of teamsters, IDK, unit for the period of September 1st, 2017 through August 31st, 2019.

3142
04:15:39,000 --> 04:15:40,000
Second.

3143
04:15:40,000 --> 04:15:41,000
All right.

3144
04:15:41,000 --> 04:15:42,000
Move in second.

3145
04:15:42,000 --> 04:15:44,000
Any discussion on this matter?

3146
04:15:44,000 --> 04:15:45,000
Hearing none, roll call, please.

3147
04:15:45,000 --> 04:15:46,000
Council Member Collins?

3148
04:15:46,000 --> 04:15:47,000
Yes.

3149
04:15:47,000 --> 04:15:48,000
Council Member Johnson?

3150
04:15:48,000 --> 04:15:49,000
Yes.

3151
04:15:49,000 --> 04:15:50,000
Council Member Over?

3152
04:15:50,000 --> 04:15:51,000
Yes.

3153
04:15:51,000 --> 04:15:52,000
All right.

3154
04:15:52,000 --> 04:15:54,000
Number 9 is public hearing.

3155
04:15:54,000 --> 04:15:55,000
9A?

3156
04:15:55,000 --> 04:15:59,240
Consideration of adopting a resolution of improving a general plan land use map correction and introducing

3157
04:15:59,240 --> 04:16:02,240
an ordinance of improving a zoning district map correction.

3158
04:16:02,240 --> 04:16:05,240
There's going to need 10 properties on the west side of Elm Street.

3159
04:16:05,240 --> 04:16:12,520
APN's 045-311-0702160 to a zoning district of RM59.

3160
04:16:12,520 --> 04:16:14,240
Multi-family medium density.

3161
04:16:14,240 --> 04:16:15,240
Mr. Savannah?

3162
04:16:15,240 --> 04:16:17,240
Mayor and members of the city council.

3163
04:16:17,240 --> 04:16:22,760
This is a fairly straightforward general plan mapping area that is before you this evening that

3164
04:16:22,760 --> 04:16:27,480
is we're attempting to correct and the planning commission is recommending approval of this

3165
04:16:27,480 --> 04:16:33,720
action and we're available to answer any questions or provide you with more information, but at this time,

3166
04:16:33,720 --> 04:16:35,720
I'll leave it open to answer questions.

3167
04:16:35,720 --> 04:16:36,720
Any questions?

3168
04:16:36,720 --> 04:16:38,720
Mr. Savannah?

3169
04:16:38,720 --> 04:16:39,720
This is a public hearing.

3170
04:16:39,720 --> 04:16:42,720
Is anyone from the public wishing to speak on this matter?

3171
04:16:42,720 --> 04:16:45,400
If not on entertaining motion, close the public hearing?

3172
04:16:45,400 --> 04:16:46,400
Move to close the public hearing?

3173
04:16:47,400 --> 04:16:48,400
Second.

3174
04:16:48,400 --> 04:16:49,400
Move to second.

3175
04:16:49,400 --> 04:16:50,400
The second.

3176
04:16:50,400 --> 04:16:52,400
The second.

3177
04:16:52,400 --> 04:16:53,400
Seca de Delos and Favor say aye.

3178
04:16:53,400 --> 04:16:54,400
Honour.

3179
04:16:54,400 --> 04:16:55,400
OK.

3180
04:16:55,400 --> 04:16:57,400
Gentlemen, any discussion on this or a motion?

3181
04:16:57,400 --> 04:16:59,400
I move to a familiar.

3182
04:16:59,400 --> 04:17:01,400
I move to adopt resolution 2017-999.

3183
04:17:01,400 --> 04:17:02,400
I do not.

3184
04:17:02,400 --> 04:17:03,400
I do not.

3185
04:17:03,400 --> 04:17:04,400
I do not.

3186
04:17:04,400 --> 04:17:05,400
I do not.

3187
04:17:05,400 --> 04:17:06,400
I do not.

3188
04:17:06,400 --> 04:17:07,400
I do not.

3189
04:17:07,400 --> 04:17:08,400
I do not.

3190
04:17:08,400 --> 04:17:09,400
I do not.

3191
04:17:09,400 --> 04:17:10,400
I do not.

3192
04:17:10,400 --> 04:17:12,400
I do not.

3193
04:17:12,400 --> 04:17:17,380
to introduce ordinance.

3194
04:17:17,380 --> 04:17:19,400
We normally do it separately, but I think you could do it.

3195
04:17:19,400 --> 04:17:20,400
You could do it.

3196
04:17:20,400 --> 04:17:21,400
Do you?

3197
04:17:21,400 --> 04:17:22,400
No.

3198
04:17:22,400 --> 04:17:25,400
I saw the word and I thought it was what's in the hand.

3199
04:17:25,400 --> 04:17:26,400
Okay.

3200
04:17:26,400 --> 04:17:27,400
So we've got the resolution.

3201
04:17:27,400 --> 04:17:28,400
Is there any discussion on this matter?

3202
04:17:28,400 --> 04:17:29,400
Do we have a second?

3203
04:17:29,400 --> 04:17:30,400
I'm sorry.

3204
04:17:30,400 --> 04:17:31,400
I apologize if you're right.

3205
04:17:31,400 --> 04:17:32,400
Thank you, Mr. Collins.

3206
04:17:32,400 --> 04:17:34,400
Any discussion on this matter?

3207
04:17:34,400 --> 04:17:38,400
Hearing none, roll call on 9A number the first part?

3208
04:17:38,400 --> 04:17:39,400
Council member Collins?

3209
04:17:39,400 --> 04:17:40,400
Yes.

3210
04:17:40,400 --> 04:17:41,400
Council member Johnson?

3211
04:17:41,400 --> 04:17:41,900
Yes.

3212
04:17:41,900 --> 04:17:42,900
All right.

3213
04:17:42,900 --> 04:17:45,900
Mr. Mayor, I move to introduce ordinance.

3214
04:17:45,900 --> 04:17:46,900
1527.

3215
04:17:46,900 --> 04:17:47,900
1527.

3216
04:17:47,900 --> 04:17:55,900
An ordinance of the City Council of the City of San Carlos, approving a zoning district map correction.

3217
04:17:55,900 --> 04:17:56,900
Descendanting 10.

3218
04:17:56,900 --> 04:17:57,900
Prantices 10.

3219
04:17:57,900 --> 04:17:59,900
Properties on the west side of Elm Street.

3220
04:17:59,900 --> 04:18:05,900
APNs 045 311 0702160.

3221
04:18:05,900 --> 04:18:08,900
To a zoning district of RM59.

3222
04:18:08,900 --> 04:18:10,900
Multi-family, medium density.

3223
04:18:10,900 --> 04:18:11,900
Is there a second?

3224
04:18:11,900 --> 04:18:12,900
Second.

3225
04:18:12,900 --> 04:18:13,900
All right.

3226
04:18:13,900 --> 04:18:15,900
I've moved in second and a discussion on this one.

3227
04:18:15,900 --> 04:18:17,900
Hearing none, roll call, please.

3228
04:18:17,900 --> 04:18:18,900
Council member Collins?

3229
04:18:18,900 --> 04:18:19,900
Yes.

3230
04:18:19,900 --> 04:18:20,900
Council member Johnson?

3231
04:18:20,900 --> 04:18:21,900
Yes.

3232
04:18:21,900 --> 04:18:22,900
Council member over?

3233
04:18:22,900 --> 04:18:23,900
Yes.

3234
04:18:23,900 --> 04:18:24,900
All right.

3235
04:18:24,900 --> 04:18:25,900
I'm 10A.

3236
04:18:25,900 --> 04:18:28,900
Council member supports on some communities, regional boards, commissions, and committees.

3237
04:18:28,900 --> 04:18:29,900
Mr. Oldward.

3238
04:18:29,900 --> 04:18:31,900
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

3239
04:18:31,900 --> 04:18:34,900
First of all, I just want to say I know I told you this privately Bob.

3240
04:18:34,900 --> 04:18:37,900
I thought you did a phenomenal job in the meeting tonight.

3241
04:18:37,900 --> 04:18:39,900
I really, really mean that.

3242
04:18:39,900 --> 04:18:41,900
That's I've ever seen.

3243
04:18:41,900 --> 04:18:43,900
And I've had by sure a panel on myself.

3244
04:18:43,900 --> 04:18:45,900
So we're challenging once.

3245
04:18:45,900 --> 04:18:47,900
So thank you very, very much for doing that.

3246
04:18:47,900 --> 04:18:56,900
I also just want to mention and passing that there may be those in the council who think it's appropriate from time to time to deeply

3247
04:18:56,900 --> 04:19:01,900
Chastise members of the community for expressing their views and feelings.

3248
04:19:01,900 --> 04:19:02,900
I'm not one of them.

3249
04:19:02,900 --> 04:19:06,900
I was rather taken aback by some of the comments that were made there.

3250
04:19:06,900 --> 04:19:09,900
People are entitled to their opinions even when I don't agree with them.

3251
04:19:09,900 --> 04:19:13,900
And sometimes they have difficulty containing themselves.

3252
04:19:13,900 --> 04:19:14,900
Okay.

3253
04:19:14,900 --> 04:19:15,900
That's life.

3254
04:19:15,900 --> 04:19:16,900
Let's move on.

3255
04:19:16,900 --> 04:19:17,900
The.

3256
04:19:17,900 --> 04:19:23,900
So I just don't want anybody in San Carlos to think that that's a general tone of the that was dius because it's definitely not.

3257
04:19:23,900 --> 04:19:29,900
The other specific thing I wanted to mention is I believe it was at the last meeting or the meeting before Cameron had.

3258
04:19:29,900 --> 04:19:37,900
I brought up the idea of bringing the citizens climate lobby resolution that would be.

3259
04:19:37,900 --> 04:19:47,900
Basically taking a position for congresswoman sphere on the citizen climate lobby approach to dealing with climate change.

3260
04:19:47,900 --> 04:19:53,900
And at the time, Ron and I had indicated that we were having some separate discussions about that and wanted to.

3261
04:19:53,900 --> 04:19:56,900
Finished those before the matter came back before the council.

3262
04:19:56,900 --> 04:20:01,900
Ron and I have finished that we'd be happy to see the the matter come before the council.

3263
04:20:01,900 --> 04:20:06,900
If, of course, there are three council members who want to undertake discussing the resolution.

3264
04:20:06,900 --> 04:20:08,900
No, Mr. Collins, you're in for that.

3265
04:20:08,900 --> 04:20:10,900
Yes, Mr. Johnson.

3266
04:20:10,900 --> 04:20:11,900
Yes, sir.

3267
04:20:11,900 --> 04:20:12,900
Okay.

3268
04:20:12,900 --> 04:20:13,900
I guess that's three.

3269
04:20:13,900 --> 04:20:14,900
So it's all we need.

3270
04:20:14,900 --> 04:20:16,900
So we'll take that up.

3271
04:20:16,900 --> 04:20:19,900
Any other council members have any comments.

3272
04:20:19,900 --> 04:20:21,900
I.

3273
04:20:21,900 --> 04:20:23,900
Right before we close, I just have one.

3274
04:20:24,900 --> 04:20:27,900
I just want to say when we adjourn the meeting tonight.

3275
04:20:27,900 --> 04:20:29,900
I just want to say that.

3276
04:20:29,900 --> 04:20:32,900
One of our council members to the north is going through a very tough time.

3277
04:20:32,900 --> 04:20:33,900
Eric Reed.

3278
04:20:33,900 --> 04:20:36,900
And if you can anybody can reach out to him.

3279
04:20:36,900 --> 04:20:39,900
He's pretty sick guy.

3280
04:20:39,900 --> 04:20:40,900
Yeah.

3281
04:20:40,900 --> 04:20:41,900
I think so.

3282
04:20:41,900 --> 04:20:46,900
Eric the other day he we had a dedication of the Vietnam Memorial in, or not Vietnam, but the veterans from

3283
04:20:47,900 --> 04:20:51,900
More or rather in Twin Pines park and he walked in and he made his statement.

3284
04:20:51,900 --> 04:20:54,900
And I think he has a lot more guts than I do.

3285
04:20:54,900 --> 04:20:55,900
I'll tell you that.

3286
04:20:55,900 --> 04:20:56,900
But he's he's fighting.

3287
04:20:56,900 --> 04:20:57,900
He's fighting.

3288
04:20:57,900 --> 04:20:58,900
Anybody else have a comment?

3289
04:20:58,900 --> 04:21:01,900
If not Mr. Mr. Moppy?

3290
04:21:01,900 --> 04:21:03,900
Anything else?

3291
04:21:03,900 --> 04:21:04,900
Yeah.

3292
04:21:04,900 --> 04:21:05,900
Another example.

3293
04:21:05,900 --> 04:21:06,900
Anybody else?

3294
04:21:06,900 --> 04:21:07,900
I think that's just about it.

3295
04:21:07,900 --> 04:21:09,900
We made it by five minutes.

3296
04:21:09,900 --> 04:21:10,900
Thank you.

3297
04:21:16,900 --> 04:21:18,900
Thank you.