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I call to order the June 27, 2022, city council, successor agency to the redevelopment agency housing authority regular meeting. Would you all please stand and join me in the pledge of allegiance.

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A is changes to the order of the agenda. Are there any changes?

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No changes from staff this evening, Mayor.

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A is a proclamation for

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Parking Recreation Month.

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Okay, today we're going to recognize July 2022 as Parks and Recreation Month, whereas

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the U.S. House of Representatives has designated July as Parks and Recreation Month, and whereas

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Parks and Recreation is an integral part of communities throughout this country, including

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the city of San Carlos, and whereas Parks and Recreation promotes time spent in nature,

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which positively impacts mental health by increasing cognitive performance and well-being and alleviating

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illnesses such as depression, attention deficit disorders, and Alzheimer's.

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And whereas park and recreation programming and educational activities such as out-of-school

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time programming, youth sports and environmental education are critical to childhood development.

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And whereas parks and recreation increases the community's economic prosperity through increased

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property values, expansion of the local tax space, increased tourism, and the attraction and

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retention of businesses and crime reduction.

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and where as our parks and natural recreation areas ensure the ecological beauty of our community

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and provide us place for children and adults to connect with nature and recreate outdoors.

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And whereas thousands of children, adults, and seniors benefit from the wide range of services,

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facilities, and programs provided by the San Carlos Parks and Recreation Department,

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including the Youth Center and Senior Meal Program, the events such as hometown days,

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the goblin walk, night of holiday lights, music in the park, and family camp out.

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and res the city of San Carlos recognizes that parks and recreation areas are fundamental to the well-being of our community,

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enriching the lives of its residents and visitors, as well as adding value to the community's homes and neighborhoods.

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Now therefore, be it proclaimed that I, Sarah McDowell, Mayor, and-

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Eason, Mayor.

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Of the city of San Carlos, on behalf of the City Council, do hereby declare July 2022 as parks and recreation month.

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And in doing so, urge the community to continue to use and enjoy our parks and recreational

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opportunities.

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Thank you, Amy.

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We're going to sit down, we'll listen to Amy.

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Thank you, Madam Mayor and our guest mayor for the evening.

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Just want to take a minute to thank the mayor and council for once again recognizing parks

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and recreation profession.

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Our programs, our events, our facilities in the community again this July 2022.

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We hit the ground running this summer as you may know.

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and so hope to see you guys out in our camps or our events, our concerts, our movies and to roll

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into fall our art and wine fair that we are taking on.

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This year, and all of our fall events. So thank you for your support. As always, it is greatly appreciated.

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For BEA's approximation for outgoing commissioners.

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Okay, so I'm going to call Don Bradley up. Don, I'm going to present you with the proclamation. We also note the service of Mark Berger, Mishant, Garg, and Sandy, Nirenberg tonight. But I don't think they're here to join us, but I want to thank them very much for their service. But I'm going to

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come up and we would you like to come with me, Eason?

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Okay, we'll present this to Mr. Broadley.

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Ready?

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Don, it's such an honor to have you here tonight.

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You've been such a wonderful public servant.

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I remember when I was serving on EDAC,

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you were serving on the Planning Commission

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and we went and walked downtown together

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and I just really want to appreciate your service tonight.

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So I'm going to read you your proclamation if that's okay.

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All right.

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Res, Donald W. Bradley was appointed by the City Council

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in 2016 to serve on the Planning Commission and was reappointed for another term in 2019.

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And whereas as a Planning Commissioner, Donald Bradley's primary duties were to participate in

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the administration of the zoning laws and policies of the city. Make recommendations to the City

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Council regarding land use, review proposed development projects, and advise as to the overall

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development and maintenance of the general plan of the city. And whereas Donald Bradley's distinguished

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career in the planning field spanned over 60 years and provided him with an understanding

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that planning involves the physical, design, social, economic, and political aspects of

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a whole region, all of which made him an invaluable asset to the Planning Commission.

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And whereas Donald Bradley led the Planning Commission as chair in 2018 and served as chair

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of the Residential Design Review Committee for a total of three years, and whereas during

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During his tenure on the Planning Commission, Donald Bradley made vital contributions on some

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of the most significant projects in the city of San Carlos, including the East Side Innovation

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District Vision Plan, and single family house size study, and has helped shape project

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approvals for key projects, including 626 and 817 Walnut Housing Developments, and new

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R&D and life science developments at 887 Industrial, 1091 Industrial, and 1030 Britain Avenue.

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And whereas Donald Bradley's six years of dedicated service as a member of the planning commission represents and embodies the St. Carlos traditions of volunteerism and service to the community.

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And whereas Donald Bradley was a great asset on the planning commission and will be greatly missed by his staff and his peers.

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Now therefore be it proclaimed that I Sarah McDowell mayor and Eason mayor of the city of St. Carlos.

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Do hear by express sincere appreciation and thanks to Donald Bradley for his contributions on the Planning Commission and dedication to the community of San Carlos.

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Thank you, Don.

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If

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my wife were here, she would warn you, I'm a big talker, but I'll try to remember her last remarks as I left home today.

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Don't talk about Senate Bill 9.

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If you don't know what that is, I won't tell you.

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Thank you, Council members, staff, the city, other volunteers, hard work, staff, and friends.

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It's been my honor and my duty to work for these past six years.

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It went by rather fast, as Ellen and I were saying on the way in.

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Let me, I like quotes and we have this saying here, as you all know, we're the city of good living, but why can we say that?

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I think it relates back to 150 years ago.

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So Abraham Lincoln said, I don't know if it was Gettysburg or a second inaugural dress,

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he came up, he said, we're a government by the people, by the people and for the people.

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And that's one reason I think that we're the city of good living.

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John F. Kennedy's second inaugural speech he said, ask not what your country can do for

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you, but what you can do for your country.

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And I would say put in city, maybe state or county or a nonprofit that all helps.

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And that's why I often say we're the city of good government also.

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And lastly, I promise, Daniel Burnham said in 1893 in Chicago at the world exposition,

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they're, make no little plans, they have no magic disturbance, blood, make big plans,

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that's why I frequently say we're also the city of good planning.

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Thank you all so much, I love you.

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Section five is Council Communications Announcements.

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Council Communications Announcements are brief items for members of the City Council regarding

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outcome events in the community and correspondence that they have received.

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There are information known in nature and no action will be taken on these items at this meeting.

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Item 5A is an announcement of the newly appointed, but what I'm going to do is,

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Councilmember Collins.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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Just a couple of things, I attended a, LPMG meeting last Thursday, LPMG stands for local policy makers group.

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but it's the Caltrain Electrification Task Force.

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And at that meeting, we heard also from high speed rail

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and they have been deciding on which track options they're going

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to choose as they run high speed rail down the peninsula.

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One of those options was called alternative B

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and it would have run an additional track

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or two right through San Carlos.

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They've decided on an alternative A, which does not do that.

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So, I would like the residents of San Carlos to know that at least for probably another 20 or 30 years or not before tracks running through San Carlos.

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The other thing I would like to mention is that one of San Carlos's longest residents, Velma Coleman, Velma Harding Coleman of 72 years, she lived in San Carlos for 72 years, passed away last Wednesday.

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She was my mother-in-law and I thank her for producing my wife's and my and subsequently

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my family.

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But I was honored to know her and she lived a long and fruitful life.

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And so, remember, Dugan?

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Thank you mayor for the day and I just have a couple quick things.

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First, very timely that July is Park and Rec month because we're off to a great start

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Gordon Park and Rec on Friday, I went to the concert in the park, and

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Moustache Harbor really rocked Burton Park, and I'll say I think there was probably

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like 2,000 people in the park that night.

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It was really an amazing turnout, so I would encourage everyone to tune in to our

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great lineup of concerts in the park, and I understand the movie night, Saturday night was

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well attended as well, so we got some good stuff going this summer.

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And then secondly, the week before last, I represented San Carlos at the General Assembly of the Association of Barrier Governments, and there was a robust discussion on rena allocations and it ended up being a discussion of best practices for the further development of a below market rate housing and I participated in some of that, but in particular, I mentioned the good work.

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We did recently as a city on preservation of blow market rate housing, and how we recently extended our inclusionary blow market rate covenants from previously 45 or 55 years into perpetuity in that we had done the hard work Greg and his team to discover that we could do that as a city and then we did it.

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And I'll just say that that was well received, and they're prior to that, not a lot of discussion was happening on the preservation of below market rate housing.

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And I'll just say I got feedback from five or six different cities that their leaders are going to definitely take a look at that.

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So I just want to applaud the leadership we're showing here in San Carlos on affordable housing. Thank you.

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I have just a few. I just wanted to congratulate and thank all the commissioners for their

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service and particularly Don who's here. I would wholeheartedly agree with you, Don.

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It is a citizen engagement that does make us the city of good living. So thank you.

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I also attended the Council of Cities dinner on Friday, which is a monthly gathering of

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The local elected officials, we met in East Palo Alto and heard about some of the boys and girls club activities around there, but it was a good opportunity to talk to some of the council members from South San Francisco who have in place a child care fee right now, so to talk to them as is something we're considering today, so it is good opportunity to collaborate and get more insight from some of the other cities and fellow council members.

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members, and then lastly, I, Mayor McDowell and I participate in the two plus two meeting

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this week on Friday, which is two City Council members and two school board members that

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we meet on a fairly regular basis. We talked around the number of issues. I'll let the

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mayor finish on that, but around enrollment and funding for the school district that's

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going to keep going up and down. One of the interesting pieces that I think will be relevant

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our discussion tonight is, there's potentially a state, some changes to the state law around transitional kindergarten,

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which would expand the age range so that there'll be all three year olds.

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So it could impact our child care numbers and an opportunity to partner more with the city.

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I'm using with the school district around this, those areas.

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So I'll turn it over to the mayor to finish.

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The mayor.

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

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I had a wonderful time touring several different city departments with Mayor Eason here and I wanted to thank our staff for being such wonderful hosts.

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We had a really great time and Eason has just been a terrific mayor, so I really enjoyed my time with you.

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Following up on what the Vice Mayor said, I also wanted to report out from the 2 plus 2 meeting that Chief Spell and I gave a presentation on safety regulations for firearms

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and the good work that we had done as a city and as a council in 2019 to pass several ordinances to require safe storage of firearms.

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Any firearms here in our city have to be stored in a locked container, disabled by a trigger lock.

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We pass some zoning regulations that govern where firearms retailers could open.

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And all of this information is posted on the city's website at cityofsancarlows.org slash

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fire arms regulations. So if anyone has questions about what's on the books here in San

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Carlos, I'm very proud of our council's work. And we've done quite a bit. And then I had

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one other piece of information that I wanted to share with the public, which is regarding

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safe routes to school, which we also touched on in our two-plus-two meeting. Our public

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the work director Steven Machita launched a beautiful new web page at cityofsancarlas.org

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slash bikeped plan where there are several safety improvements listed and maps. Interactive

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maps where the public can go in and comment on several of the suggested improvements.

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So it would be great if the public would weigh in over the summer on some of those plans.

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a pointed downtown advisory committee members.

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

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So I have the honour tonight to announce, we have 17 new members of our downtown advisory committee,

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which was established to be an advisory body to the city council as we reimagine the Laurel Street corridor.

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So those members are Alison Chang and Tom Davis representing downtown property owners.

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Ali Bourd and Donna Lyra, as downtown business operators.

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Anthony Cam, economic development advisory commission member.

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Jean Dainer, as an older adult representative from the adult community center.

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Mark Maxwell from the Parks, Recreation and Culture Commission.

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Amy Buckmaster is a representative from Chamber San Mateo County.

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Madison Blanton is the special needs community.

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We have Joaquin.

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Petrin Shri Shundra-Shakran, Alisa Espinoza, and Monet Meredith, at large members. Maya,

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Nayberg, and Semina-Ginwala, from the Youth Advisory Council. And Elizabeth Min, Cecil

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Lee, James Bertram, and Tracy Massaro, as altered it. So, I'm really excited about that work

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getting underway, and I want to thank everyone we had at almost 100 people apply. We interviewed

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I think 41 different members of the public, and I really appreciated the interest from the public and looking forward to hearing from them soon.

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That's you, Mr. Mayor.

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Does Council have any other announcements to make?

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Council member, do you have any other announcements to make?

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Yes, thank you, Mayor, for the day and I just, I was remiss, I also just want to briefly thank Don Bradley for all of his long career public service.

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not just on our planning commission, but this goes all the way back to his service in the Air Force as a young man, and truly a lifetime of service.

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And Don was the chair of the planning commission when I joined the planning commission back in 2018.

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And he was as very generous with his time, with his experience, and really did help me get up to speed quickly.

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And I know firsthand he had a lot of very solid impact to our various planning ordinances.

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and projects in town, so thank you, Don, really appreciate that personally.

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We will take public comments on items not posted on the agenda, each because limited to two minutes.

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If the item you're speaking is not listed on the agenda, please be advised that the city council may briefly respond to statements made or

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questions posed as allowed under the round act.

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The City Council's general policy is to refer items to staff for intention or have

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a matter placed on a future city council agenda for more comprehensive action or reports

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and formal public discussion in input at all at that time.

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Crystal, is there anyone wishing to speak?

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Yes, Mr. Mayor, we do have one person in the chambers, a Laura deck.

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If you can approach the podium, please.

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To the mayor and mayor for the day and council members and thank Carlos residents here

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tonight.

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Good evening.

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My name is Laura deck and I'm a 30-year San Carlos resident.

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I raised my children here and they attended a Rundle T.L. and Carlmont.

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On May 21st, I attended the hometown day's parade with my boyfriend John and how wonderful

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it was to see the various schools, clubs, and bands after the long pandemic hiatus.

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My children marched in the parade as members of the TL band for H and Scouts and it's a

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wonderful family and community event.

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At the end of the parade, however, I was disturbed to see members of the San Mateo County

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Sheriff's Office, marching in full camouflage, fatigues, and carrying assault rifles.

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There was absolutely no need for the display of these dangerous weapons, and given the

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recent mass shootings in Buffalo and Uvalde, it was entirely inappropriate and tone-deaf for

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the officers to showcase those weapons, especially in the presence of children.

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I felt extremely uneasy and the show of force diminished what was a joyful celebration of community spirit.

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It's no secret that many St. Carlos residents are unhappy with the ability of the San Mateo County Sheriff's Office to keep our community safe from crime.

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Just read next door.

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It's safe to say that the reputation of the Sheriff's Office is in need of improvement.

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The parade could have been an opportunity for the officers to increase trust and good will by handing out candy or stickers to the children instead of flashing high powered weapons.

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I realize the parade organizers, many of whom are volunteers, and city representatives may not have had a say in the sheriff's office participation, but someone should have spoken up.

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I emailed my concerns to the sheriff's office, the hometown day's parade organizers, and

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the San Carlos City clerk, but did not receive a response from any of these groups.

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I'm sorry, you're two minutes are wrapping up if you don't mind.

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One's fine sentence.

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I call upon the San Carlos City Council to ban assault rifles from next year's hometown

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days parade.

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Thank you.

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Thank you for your comments, and I'll just ask that stuff follow up, please.

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Thank you.

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Okay, go ahead, Ethan. Is there

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any more people wishing to speak? Yes, we do have one hand from Zoom.

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Daniel Villasanoor, if you can go ahead and unmute. Hello, anyone here? Yes, thank you.

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Hi guys, my name is Daniel Villasenor, I've been a son of Carlos resident for 21 years

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in my life and this Saturday I'm doing a music festival in Burton Park, it's been a

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long time coming in and I'm really excited for it, it's going to be a bunch of acts from

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the Silicon Valley performing and then artists will be showcasing their work at the park, I've

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for like the past month and I think it's going to be a really cool time to see some

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youth musicians and youths created all together in one place. Yeah, it'll be July 2nd,

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four to nine. I hope you guys can come through. It'll be a great time. Thank you.

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Thank you, Daniel. Thank you, Daniel. And there are no further hands.

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At this point, I think our mayor for the day gets to retire. Is that right, Crystal?

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Okay. Mayor Eason, thank you so much, you did a great job.

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Thank you, Eason.

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You did a terrific job.

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Okay, we will now move on to item seven, the consent calendar.

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Do it any of my colleagues wish to pull an item from consent?

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Madam Mayor, I'm trying to find the item because you have so many here.

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Now I don't see it.

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Okay, sorry, since we went through almost a whole alphabet.

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But on letter K, I'm going to recuse myself from that vote since I live within 500 feet of Burton Park.

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Okay, noted.

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Any other items?

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Seeing none, I'll entertain a motion.

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Sorry, through the chair, I just want to clarify that item K, there's two resolutions.

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We broke out the, so if you want to recuse yourself from just the front again, we can do that.

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Sure, that would be great.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Is there a motion?

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Madam Mayor, I will move to approve City Council Consent Calendar Items A through you.

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Second.

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In W.

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Oh, yeah.

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Do you want to amend that to W, please?

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You're not getting off that easy, John.

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You've got to read those.

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Turn it up.

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Let's hold my second.

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I will move to approve City Council Consent Calendar Items A through you and item V, adopting

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Ordinance number 1583, an ordinance of the City Council of the City of San Carlos and many municipal code chapter 18 to adjust the city density bonus, inclusionary housing requirements of fortability periods, parking for affordable units and making other conforming amendments and item W, adopting ordinance number 1584, an ordinance of the city council of the city of San Carlos, a many in San Carlos municipal code title 18 zoning consisting of modifications to

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the chapter 1 8.23.210, accessory dwelling units, junior accessory dwelling units.

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Second.

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Crystal, could you please call the roll.

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Councilmember Dugan?

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Yes.

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Councilmember Collins?

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Yes.

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Councilmember Parmer-Lohan?

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Yes.

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Vice mayor Beck?

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Yes, with the exception of the Flanagan field lights, okay.

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And Mayor McDowell?

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Thank you, Crystal.

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Okay, we'll move on to item 8, reports to council.

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We will receive a presentation from Cal Water on Drought Updates.

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Good evening, Madam Mayor.

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City Councilmember Steven Machita, Public Works Director.

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So what's up for you tonight?

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It is really kind of a drought presentation.

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So as we all aware, the air is really experiencing drought, another drought this year.

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So Seth thought it would be a great opportunity for the City Council to receive a report from

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Cal Water on the status of the drought.

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So tonight we have Ross Molian, Cal Water's Space Award Disregmanager, and Anthony Meyer,

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Cal Water's Water Conservation Coordinator here to actually present or make the presentation.

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So I'll turn it over to Ross.

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Okay.

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Good evening, Madam Mayor, Vice Mayor, City Council, staff, and the community of St.

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I really appreciate the privilege to be here and provide an update on a topic that's probably on most

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minds of everybody that lives in California.

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That is the drought, and our focus tonight is really the drought, water use restrictions, and conservation.

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I'm the district manager, Ross Mullen here, and the Bayshore District.

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Mycoots is our assistant district manager who's here in the audience.

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Anthony Meyer will be assisting me on the presentation tonight.

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He's our water conservation coordinator, and Robert Ceeley who's our regional community affairs specialist.

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So the Bayshore District, we serve as a whole, approximately 201,000 people through 54,000 connections.

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And in San Carlos, we have nearly 11,000 service connections that we serve here, population, roughly around 30,000 people.

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The system of San Carlos is often referred to as mid peninsula, it's kind of a legacy name associated also with San Mateo.

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But for the purpose of our presentation, we will be of course focusing on San Carlos.

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We monitor our supply conditions on a daily basis.

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We have professionals that do that on really looking at self-ply reliability.

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The drought situation and also really supply from a standpoint of when we're not in drought conditions.

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This slide that you see up here isn't a slide to create panic or scare you.

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It's the reality.

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You may have seen this on the news.

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I saw this actually on the news this morning as a matter of fact.

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Really representing our state and the conditions we have from a drought standpoint.

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A nearly 98% of the state is now in a severe to exceptional drought conditions.

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This has been an ongoing concern, particularly highlighted last year and into this year.

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I'm going to go through a timeline of some different things that have happened throughout the state.

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Some actions taken from the state level with Governor Newsom actually in May 10th, this is of last year.

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Issuing a proclamation of declaring a state of emergency.

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Again, this was last year.

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June 9th, later that year, I called on water agencies to develop water shortage contingency plans, which we did.

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We followed ours later in June 15th, with the California Public Utilities Commission who were regulated by.

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And July 8th, the governor issued an executive order calling for 15% reduction.

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That's a number that we'll talk a little bit more about tonight.

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On July 14th, we received approval to implement our stage one, which we did of the contingency plan.

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Moving into October 9th last year, Governor Newsom actually expand the drought emergency state wide.

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Some of the more recent developments that we've seen, we filed our stage two of our water supply contingency plan for

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the mid peninsula and South San Francisco systems.

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Those are the systems we actually do serve as a whole in the Bayshore District.

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and those are now approved, which include prohibited uses in irrigation and restrictions that you'll hear a little bit more later from Anthony about.

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The goal of the 15% reduction, really where you see from this slide is if you look, and this is again for San Carlos, back in March.

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We were actually, and this is comparing usage in 2020 compared to 2021.

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one. You see 7.4% in March, I have an increase, 4.9% in April. Obviously a little bit concerning

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where we're being asked to reach a 15% target level. But what you see in May, you see 11% reduction.

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A lot more communication, community presentations, bill messages, different things that we've

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done for outreach really seems to kind of trigger some behavior changes when you look

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at the month of May that's a time where you actually start seeing people irrigating

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more outdoor the weather's starting to change but instead we're actually seeing the residents

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in San Carlos and businesses actually use less. It's not at the 15% but what we're really

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seeing there is encouraging results in the month of May and we expect to see that continue.

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This is again kind of a slide that kind of captures that in a little bit different way and

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that's really kind of your total production by month.

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And if you look there, you can see in 2020,

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the dark, the dark blue line of how we were doing

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from a total production by month.

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And if you look at beginning this year, you can see we're actually starting, as I mentioned, above that line, which we didn't want to see. But you can see the trendy now from April to May is heading in a direction that we're looking for, which is very encouraging. I'm going to leave this slide up. Anthony's going to talk a little bit more about this and the prohibited uses that we have an effect. Anthony?

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Thank you for the opportunity, council. So just with the slide up and looking at the trend that we have, we're excited to start seeing this kind of a trend and we're hoping that that trajectory

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you can continue going in the months as we continue to implement stage two of our water shortage

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contingency plan and also see more and more engagement with our customer base with the programs

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that we're rolling out. One of the things we've been doing a lot of in recent months is we've

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been trying to make sure that people are aware of the prohibited uses of water that have already

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been in place. A lot of people were not aware that these were already in place and so we do like to

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always through public outreach, we've been doing a lot of public presentations, we've

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been doing inserts, bill mailers, e-mail blasts, things like that to kind of just make

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sure people are aware of what's already been in place and then also keep them abreast

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of what we have as we've moved into stage two of our contingency plan.

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Probably the most notable change as we have moved into stage two of our plan in the Bayshore

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District is the irrigation day restrictions and the watering days.

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So, for all of our base short district customers now, they're reduced to doing two days a week that they can water and not between the hours of 8 a.m. and 6 p.m.

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And this is based off of the ending number of your street address of your residence or your business.

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One of the things I would like to point out with this is that the reason why we see a lot of emphasis put on irrigation day restrictions and watering days, things of that sort is because we now know that 60 to 80% of

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Domestic water use is applied toward outdoor use, so watering irrigation.

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So these are where we tend to see the biggest footprint and the most significant impact when it comes to, you know, try to meet our 15% reduction goals.

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Now, there are some in states too of our contingency plan.

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There are some exceptions to the irrigation day restrictions and we do always like to try to make sure people are aware of this because if you're hand watering or if you have landscaper irrigation zones that are using drip irrigation.

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or micro spray, those are actually not confined to the watering day schedule.

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And so, for customers that have large areas of landscape that does use overhead spray,

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one of our big things right now is reaching out to those customers to see if there's

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a possibility that they could change the system over and irrigate through drip irrigation.

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And the main emphasis for this is so that we can keep trees alive, things like that instead

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of just seeing everything die as a whole, if they're cutting off irrigation.

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In addition, that adjustments and repairs to the irrigation systems, those could be done outside of the watering days or the times.

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Another significant thing as we moved into stage two of our contingency plan, the CPUC has authorized us to impose penalties should the need arise.

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Obviously our first motive attack is we're always going to reach out to the customer first, we're going to try to educate them.

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9 times out of 10 when we do come across somebody that has watered on the wrong day, it's just a matter of them not knowing or not being aware of what the irrigation restrictions are.

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So through our customer centers, we tend to just reach out or we leave the door hanger and we let them know, hey, this is the days that you should be watering.

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And in most cases, that actually corrects the situation.

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If for some reason that doesn't, and it continues to be a reoccurring thing, the PUC has authorized us to do for a second violation, a $50 penalty.

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for a third violation that can result in a $100 penalty, and that can be on a per day basis, if needed.

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And then for fourth and more egregious violations, which are obviously intentional,

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they have authorized us to install a flow restricting device on the customer's meter.

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Not something we would ever want to see, but again, we tend to in the past, we've always reached our goals,

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strictly through outreach and communication for the most part with our customers.

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These are more in place for the bad kids, if you will.

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So, one of the really big things that we're doing right now is we have severely ramped up and rolled out a very robust series of conservation programs and rebates.

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In many cases we've actually as much as doubled our rebate amounts just to try to capture those people that maybe were on the fence about, you know, doing some of these types of programs.

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obviously we do put emphasis on inside things like closed washers that are high efficiency, high efficiency toilets, but again we obviously we know where the footprint is is outdoors, so we try to put a lot of our attention into that and those programs we have ramped up severely with our laundry garden and spray to your program.

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We have these programs available to our commercial customers as well as residential customers.

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We have seen a lot in the last two months, I would say just being somebody behind the scenes that sees how the engagement goes with these.

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We've really seen a lot of this ramp up in a lot of engagement with our customers as they've, you know, served to become more and

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more aware of what's available to them.

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Probably one of the most significant ones right now, and obviously it kind of goes hand in hand with the CIA requirements of not watering or non-functional turf.

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is our lawn to garden and spray to drip programs.

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So for this one, if somebody's willing to remove turf and do some drought tolerant landscaping,

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we've actually up that rebate amount to $3 per square foot with an additional 50 cents per square foot.

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If they are retrofitting their existing overhead spray sprinklers into a drip irrigation system.

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So there's a total of $3.50 square foot available now for those customers and that is for commercial as well as residential.

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Another really cool program that we're getting a lot of engagement with is our Smart Landscape

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Tuner Program.

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This is completely free to our customers.

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Basically, not show what this entails is we have a contract with the Landscape Contractor

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Valley soil.

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Customer can sign up for this within just a couple of minutes on our website.

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And we will actually send that contractor to the customer's home or business.

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And they do a very thorough evaluation of their existing irrigation system.

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If they note that there's breaks, repairs that need to be done or just like severe amounts of work that would bring that up the speed so it's the most high-efficient that it possibly can be.

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They schedule a second appointment to go back out to that Homer business.

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They perform all those repairs completely free of charge to the customer.

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They actually do all the work and they send us the bill and we pick up the tab for it.

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So as you can imagine, this has become quite popular since we rolled it out recently.

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And last but not least, and as always, we do have our conservation kits.

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This again is another free program for all of Cal Water customers.

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00:51:55,650 --> 00:51:57,310
They can sign up for this on our website.

414
00:51:57,870 --> 00:52:01,370
And we send in this box of conservation goodies that they can, for the most part,

415
00:52:01,590 --> 00:52:03,030
everybody can solve themself in their home.

416
00:52:03,410 --> 00:52:06,490
It's got high efficient shower heads, it's got faucet air raiders.

417
00:52:06,650 --> 00:52:11,890
As a little tablet kit to check out your toilets and see if they have any kind of leaks that go on notice typically.

418
00:52:12,410 --> 00:52:16,350
And it also comes with a garden hose spray that shuts itself off when you're done using it.

419
00:52:19,450 --> 00:52:22,230
And as always, we always recommend people go to our website.

420
00:52:22,970 --> 00:52:31,170
We keep this updated on a regular basis in any news that there is, that comes up with regard to the drought or any new conservation programs that we do roll out.

421
00:52:31,630 --> 00:52:38,040
We keep that current, so it's a really good place for people to go and look and that's it, I thank you for your time.

422
00:52:39,420 --> 00:52:46,360
Thank you, thank you for that presentation, I learned a lot, I'll open it up to questions from my colleagues, Councilmember Collins.

423
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:53,820
Thank you, Madam Mayor, and thank you, gentlemen, for a great presentation.

424
00:52:54,180 --> 00:52:59,400
I had the opportunity to go visit the HG Reservoir a few weeks ago, and it was extremely educational.

425
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:06,900
And it was the strong message was that we all need to conserve even though that dam was quite full.

426
00:53:08,100 --> 00:53:15,040
But a couple questions I have, and this question comes up, it seems like every time we go into a drought, I have residents who say to me.

427
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:19,420
Well, if we have this, the severe drought, why are we still building?

428
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:25,820
Why are we building anything, you know, new housing, new construction at all, if we have this extreme drought?

429
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:29,040
How would you suggest that we answer that question?

430
00:53:32,780 --> 00:53:33,580
It's a great question.

431
00:53:35,180 --> 00:53:40,760
I think probably the best way to answer it, or one of the best ways to answer it is to talk about that.

432
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:50,740
But projects aren't going to get approved large projects until we take a good look as a community, the city, water supplier, to ensure the water is in place.

433
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,700
Thankfully, we haven't run into a situation where that has been a no.

434
00:53:55,800 --> 00:54:04,800
We've definitely been working on some of the challenges associated one with the drought limited supply in the future on ensuring that there is adequate supply.

435
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:10,060
And one of the things that we're doing is trying to add to the water supply portfolio.

436
00:54:10,500 --> 00:54:16,720
To ensure that growth, if a city wants to grow, is not stopped because of water supply.

437
00:54:17,820 --> 00:54:20,620
But those challenges are not easy challenges to get over.

438
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:21,280
There's cost.

439
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:33,960
We want to make sure that the cost is fair, and that we've done feasibility studies on those options to make sure that whatever options we decide to move forward with, they're the smartest option.

440
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:37,300
And that's definitely something we've been working on.

441
00:54:37,740 --> 00:54:40,480
And we don't work on it just in times of drought.

442
00:54:40,660 --> 00:54:52,500
It's something that we work on in times when there's not a drought because we know that is a future concern and we live in California where drought has been historically a problem for us and anticipated will in the future as well.

443
00:54:53,520 --> 00:55:14,120
Thank you, I also got the question recently that our water usage because our population has increased over the last and I'm not just talking about St. Carlos, but the county in general that our water usage or because our residents have increased or populations increased that our water usage has increased.

444
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:24,080
I did talk with a member who's on, I think it's, I forget, but how you pronounce the Ackerman, but it's like Baxa or something like that.

445
00:55:24,100 --> 00:55:24,180
Bosca?

446
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:25,320
Bosca, thank you.

447
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:27,140
He's a council member in Sunnyvale.

448
00:55:27,500 --> 00:55:40,280
He said he had seen a report not long ago that said that even though there had been a population increase in Santa Clara County of 20% or whatever it was over the last 10 to 15 years,

449
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:48,340
that the water usage had been relatively flat, and I'm wondering, is that true of San Mateo County,

450
00:55:48,660 --> 00:55:55,640
and if it is, is there a way that we can access that information that we could share with our constituents?

451
00:55:56,820 --> 00:56:02,640
We can definitely share information that we have from a standpoint of what cow water provides,

452
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:06,500
and maybe it can be able to give some additional information on the county.

453
00:56:06,500 --> 00:56:17,600
I think there's definitely some truth in the situation that we've seen from the last route that we had back in, you know, 2014, 15, 16, that was pretty significant that we all remember.

454
00:56:18,720 --> 00:56:23,140
And behavior hasn't completely gone back to what it was before that, which is encouraging.

455
00:56:24,620 --> 00:56:27,600
People definitely learn from that situation and haven't resumed.

456
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,940
And I think people made a lot of changes to their landscaping and different things like that.

457
00:56:31,020 --> 00:56:33,860
So I think there is somewhat some truth in that statement.

458
00:56:33,860 --> 00:56:45,100
The other thing that we're seeing and you mentioned development earlier is in some cases sometimes development depending on what's going in a location or a parcel could actually use less water than what's there now.

459
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:58,420
So in some cases development can actually include more efficiency, less outdoor landscaping and things of that nature which a lot of cities like yourself also encourage so it's definitely something important.

460
00:56:58,420 --> 00:57:04,360
So I think that is definitely true in some areas, maybe not holistically though.

461
00:57:05,100 --> 00:57:09,400
Thank you, and thank you for the links for water saving.

462
00:57:09,580 --> 00:57:12,520
I'm going to make sure that I put them on my Facebook page.

463
00:57:12,860 --> 00:57:12,980
Right.

464
00:57:13,420 --> 00:57:13,560
All right.

465
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:14,020
Thank you.

466
00:57:14,260 --> 00:57:15,820
Thank you, Ron.

467
00:57:17,020 --> 00:57:17,340
Let's see.

468
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:21,020
We'll go to Council Member Dugan, and then Vice Mayor Rack, and then Council Member Permalohan.

469
00:57:21,740 --> 00:57:22,080
Yeah.

470
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:22,780
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

471
00:57:23,140 --> 00:57:24,000
And yeah, thank you.

472
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:33,760
a good presentation, I too learned a lot, and I would say in particular I'm planning to sign up for your Smart Landscape

473
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:41,220
Tuner Program. That seems like a good one. And Jeff, I would say that's a good candidate for the City Newsletter,

474
00:57:42,500 --> 00:57:50,120
maybe emphasizing the irrigation day restrictions, and then that tune up, advertise that out to our folks.

475
00:57:51,060 --> 00:58:07,160
And then so my question though is, hopefully this does it and I know we've made some progress as a water district on conservation but if this drought continues, things will likely get even tighter.

476
00:58:07,820 --> 00:58:12,340
And could you just explain what the enforcement mechanism is?

477
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:19,480
Is it, are you monitoring for usage that exceeds the average or you know, you're waiting

478
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:23,900
for people to report someone they think is overwatered?

479
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:27,320
Like, you know, can you just take me through what the enforcement mechanisms like?

480
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:32,300
And I am glad that, you know, you start out with warnings and relatively minor fees

481
00:58:32,300 --> 00:58:36,600
before it gets more serious, but I just kind of want to understand what that regime will

482
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:40,300
look like if we do end up in a more severe drought.

483
00:58:40,660 --> 00:58:41,560
Let me take that one.

484
00:58:41,700 --> 00:58:42,160
Yeah, for sure.

485
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:46,500
So pretty much the way that we have that structured right now

486
00:58:47,020 --> 00:58:49,740
is we have several different systems

487
00:58:49,740 --> 00:58:51,180
for reporting water waste.

488
00:58:51,340 --> 00:58:54,780
It can be done on an anonymous basis through our website

489
00:58:54,780 --> 00:58:57,000
or they could contact our customer center.

490
00:58:58,140 --> 00:59:01,840
For us, the biggest aspect of that is we have to put eyes on it.

491
00:59:01,940 --> 00:59:04,280
We can't go off of hearsay and things like that.

492
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:18,820
So the turnaround is crucial as far as responding to these things, and now that we have online reporting and phone calls starting to come in, we have to kind of weave through those and make sure they're not angry, neighbor disputes and things like that so we can, you know, try to settle them accordingly.

493
00:59:20,980 --> 00:59:28,380
First order of business with it, though, is obviously trying to see if we can get one of our field staff to go out and put eyes on it or witness it while it's in the, you know, being done in the act.

494
00:59:28,380 --> 00:59:32,640
And at that point, we would either try to knock on the door, talk to the customer.

495
00:59:32,820 --> 00:59:35,940
In most cases, it would result in leaving a door hanger or something, just so we can

496
00:59:35,940 --> 00:59:39,560
notate that we actually did something physically to try to notify the customer.

497
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:46,260
As we move into more serious stages of that, like a second violation through fourth violations or

498
00:59:46,260 --> 00:59:52,060
egregious violations, those fines are done in the form of sort of a surcharge in the billing system.

499
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:54,840
So it's not like we're writing a physical ticket to somebody.

500
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:59,960
You know, we have to document those and you know, there's obviously a huge paper trail that has to work.

501
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:31,060
We're here for us to make sure that we validate any type of enforcement actions, but that is kind of what that looks like in the form of a search on their bill. Okay. All right. Thank you. Appreciate that. Thank you Madam Mayor. Thanks for the presentation was helpful as well. I'm going to be sharing the links. The question, and I'm curious if this wasn't touched on at all. I know some communities are using recycled water.

502
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:40,860
Can you touch a little like, what would be the process to do that, how, is that something you help support, or do, or kept, create, or if St.

503
01:00:40,900 --> 01:00:43,420
Crowe's wanted to participate in something like that, how would something like that happen?

504
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:49,140
Well, at a high level, those are some of the projects I was referencing that we're looking at.

505
01:00:49,700 --> 01:00:55,420
Recycle water, it's around us today, it's been utilized by other communities, certainly.

506
01:00:55,900 --> 01:00:59,780
So it's definitely something that is definitely on our radar and has been for a while.

507
01:00:59,780 --> 01:01:01,960
And it's not just one particular project.

508
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:05,160
It's actually several in the area on the peninsula.

509
01:01:05,700 --> 01:01:09,880
And what I mentioned to you earlier about, how do we go about putting that together?

510
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,880
It's really kind of that aspect of kind of the feasibility.

511
01:01:12,940 --> 01:01:14,060
What makes the most sense?

512
01:01:14,060 --> 01:01:16,400
Is it a combination of more than one project?

513
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:19,940
Or is it one big project that we implement?

514
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:25,620
The distribution system that's necessary to provide that water, that recycle water.

515
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:27,260
It has to be a separate system.

516
01:01:27,260 --> 01:01:29,280
There's a lot of conditions that go along with that.

517
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:35,100
You've probably heard of the purple pipe system and that basically is something that's very common particularly in areas

518
01:01:35,100 --> 01:01:40,200
I've worked at in the past I can Southern California. So it's definitely something doable and possible, and

519
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:48,640
we may see that here in the near future. Hard to say for sure. We're still kind of at the stages of trying to decide what makes the most sense for our customers.

520
01:01:49,580 --> 01:01:57,140
What's the most sense from a cost standpoint as well? And the reliability factor and also the amount that it produces.

521
01:01:57,140 --> 01:02:02,480
So those are some significant projects that are in play, and they're not new.

522
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:10,220
It's not like a brand new concept or something new in the area, it's been ongoing, and it's very possible.

523
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:11,760
I appreciate it.

524
01:02:11,980 --> 01:02:17,920
I think it's a useful exercise from the standpoint of, I mean, we keep hearing that this is not going to go away.

525
01:02:18,180 --> 01:02:21,400
It's not going to, maybe we'll have some reprieve here and there, but

526
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:24,400
But a long term, it seems like a good potential solution.

527
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:28,120
Obviously, I have to figure out to make it work in the infrastructure and the cost and everything else.

528
01:02:28,260 --> 01:02:30,800
But I appreciate that you're looking into it.

529
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:37,620
Yeah, and we would certainly not be doing that behind closed doors with the city of San Carlos or any cities we serve.

530
01:02:37,620 --> 01:02:41,040
And we'd be working with you guys together and probably choose workshops and

531
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:45,720
different planning groups to make sure that people's concerns about that are addressed and

532
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:48,640
questions and different ideas that they might have.

533
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:50,020
Thank you.

534
01:02:51,900 --> 01:02:52,500
Thank you.

535
01:02:53,900 --> 01:02:54,480
Thank you.

536
01:02:54,620 --> 01:02:54,920
Thank you.

537
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:55,300
Thank you.

538
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:55,980
Thank you for the presentation.

539
01:02:56,180 --> 01:02:58,840
This is a conversation I've been wanting to have for a long time.

540
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:04,400
I know many people are concerned about the prolonged drought and building on vice mayor racks.

541
01:03:04,700 --> 01:03:06,980
You know, question around recycling.

542
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:09,200
What I'm curious about it.

543
01:03:09,260 --> 01:03:14,640
And I'm thinking about I had the good fortune to travel to Hawaii many years ago in the main island.

544
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:20,580
And there's an entire community that's built on a very dry side of the island

545
01:03:21,380 --> 01:03:24,220
that gets virtually no rain during the year.

546
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:27,860
And they have a very elaborate water capture system

547
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:34,140
and are able to live a very viable life on that side of the island.

548
01:03:34,220 --> 01:03:38,460
And I'm just wondering, you know, it's sounding to me like we're at the point

549
01:03:38,460 --> 01:03:41,800
where maybe we need to start thinking differently about

550
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:44,660
about how we think about our water infrastructure.

551
01:03:45,180 --> 01:03:48,060
And to your point about having some initial conversations

552
01:03:48,060 --> 01:03:49,560
and ideas around recycling,

553
01:03:50,940 --> 01:03:55,180
where are we in that long-term visioning planning

554
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:58,380
with Cal water with respect to water capture,

555
01:03:59,020 --> 01:04:00,900
office-assisting ability, for example,

556
01:04:00,980 --> 01:04:03,340
has been offering barrels on a pilot basis.

557
01:04:03,700 --> 01:04:05,200
You can get them in different sizes.

558
01:04:05,860 --> 01:04:07,520
But it does take some knowledge and know how

559
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:10,260
to cobble these solutions together.

560
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:13,980
And I'm just curious, do we need to be more,

561
01:04:14,420 --> 01:04:16,360
I'm feeling like we need to be more proactive

562
01:04:17,060 --> 01:04:18,580
about our future state with respect

563
01:04:18,580 --> 01:04:23,400
to how we capture our water and recycle and reuse it.

564
01:04:23,500 --> 01:04:25,720
And I'm just wondering, kind of where is the conversation

565
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:27,660
with respect to how water on this?

566
01:04:28,260 --> 01:04:28,780
Thank you.

567
01:04:29,660 --> 01:04:30,500
Yeah, absolutely.

568
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:31,700
And it's a great question.

569
01:04:32,140 --> 01:04:35,260
And I think the perfect answer is,

570
01:04:35,260 --> 01:04:37,040
we've been doing this for a long time.

571
01:04:37,660 --> 01:04:39,740
We've always been assessing recycled water,

572
01:04:39,940 --> 01:04:41,120
looking at different water sources,

573
01:04:41,580 --> 01:04:43,180
and trying to find that balance between

574
01:04:43,780 --> 01:04:46,020
what is fair for the rate pairs to pay

575
01:04:46,020 --> 01:04:47,940
and the most cost effective sourcing of water.

576
01:04:48,500 --> 01:04:50,280
And so as that moves into different phases,

577
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:52,500
as technology improves, and this new infrastructure

578
01:04:52,500 --> 01:04:54,600
comes out, we move forward.

579
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:56,360
So we're working on different plans

580
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:57,740
and exploring different avenues behind

581
01:04:57,740 --> 01:04:59,380
what those scenarios might look like,

582
01:04:59,820 --> 01:05:02,840
going into the next 10, 20, 30 years,

583
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:07,340
measures as well as what's happening in the immediate future to try and satisfy the needs

584
01:05:07,340 --> 01:05:12,260
of growth, of reliability and sustainability and kind of all of those things coming in.

585
01:05:12,780 --> 01:05:16,440
So it is happening, it is a conversation that we're happening recently with city staff

586
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:18,960
here to have a partial conversation about that.

587
01:05:19,060 --> 01:05:23,360
We're going to continue to go forward with exploring these possibilities and working them

588
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:24,440
into our plans in the future.

589
01:05:25,660 --> 01:05:26,080
Great.

590
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:26,540
Thank you.

591
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:27,280
I appreciate that.

592
01:05:27,420 --> 01:05:27,800
I'm glad to hear.

593
01:05:30,810 --> 01:05:31,130
Okay.

594
01:05:31,270 --> 01:05:32,490
Thank you, Council Member Palmer-Lohan.

595
01:05:32,490 --> 01:05:42,990
I have a couple of questions as well and actually they were brought to my attention from a resident so I'm going to pass them along and hopefully we can get some answers tonight.

596
01:05:43,930 --> 01:05:55,950
The first is has cow water investigated installing smart meters like PG&E to allow real time updates for users on their water use and building on the PG&E analogy.

597
01:05:56,770 --> 01:06:05,070
We all get, you know, these updates in the mail from PG&E, comparing our homes to similar sized homes.

598
01:06:05,370 --> 01:06:16,330
And do you have kind of a program like that in place where residents can maybe find a more complete picture of how they rate and then how they compare to other residences in St. Cirlis?

599
01:06:16,330 --> 01:06:19,170
Yes, so thankfully a lot of guesses to those.

600
01:06:19,890 --> 01:06:30,090
First of all, yeah, from a smart meter, which we often refer to, one of the common acronyms is AMI meter infrastructure, is definitely something we're piloting now.

601
01:06:30,790 --> 01:06:44,830
We definitely hope to expand that much broader here in the near future, something that we will submit in our infrastructure improvement plan, and we have been, which is why we're actually in a pilot phase right now.

602
01:06:44,830 --> 01:06:50,770
So I think it's safe to say that you're going to see more of that in the in the future and all of the communities that we serve

603
01:06:50,770 --> 01:06:55,950
As far as the water use comparison. I'm going to let Anthony talk a little bit about that

604
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:02,520
Could you refresh me on what the water use comparison? Oh sure so

605
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:04,400
So PG&E

606
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:09,080
Sends I think we all get them in the misstatements that says here's your usage for the month

607
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:15,520
And here's how you compare to homes of similar size and you get like a happy face or or because it goes down from there

608
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:19,080
So if you're like a big user of power, then the gold star.

609
01:07:19,340 --> 01:07:20,400
Yeah, right, yeah.

610
01:07:20,700 --> 01:07:23,300
We actually are doing a similar program to that.

611
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:25,500
It's the gold star looks a little bit more different.

612
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:28,560
But what we're doing is because our conservation goals

613
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:31,680
are obviously trying to meet that 15% reduction in comparison

614
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:32,900
to 2020 usage.

615
01:07:33,460 --> 01:07:35,440
So in our bills now, they're starting to reflect

616
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:36,980
where we're showing somebody what they're,

617
01:07:37,020 --> 01:07:38,820
if they were at the address in 2020

618
01:07:38,820 --> 01:07:40,980
and showing what the comparison was for that parcel.

619
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:45,000
Hopefully we don't get into the stage three type of situation.

620
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:49,760
But if we ever should wear budgets and things like that become into more into play,

621
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:53,120
obviously those will be more based on the parcel size and

622
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:57,380
what the figurative usage projected usage for that parcel would entail.

623
01:07:57,560 --> 01:08:02,760
And it would give people kind of a red to green scale of where they're sitting every month on a month-to-month basis.

624
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:14,580
In addition to that, one of the things that we were actually trying to make a little more user friendly is we do our billing in reportables of CCFs.

625
01:08:14,580 --> 01:08:19,040
So a lot of people get their bills and they see that and they're like, well, I don't know what a CCF is and they don't know how to do the math.

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So we are looking at kind of making more layman's terms involved in our billing where people can see, okay, what does this mean?

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This means how many gallons we try to have some of that show in the bills where people can say, wow, because a CCF sounds like it's a one unit, what does that mean?

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01:08:34,300 --> 01:08:36,760
Well, it's 748 gallons of water, that's a lot of water.

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So when you see it on a more layman's term type scale, it tends to make people think a little more and

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and kind of get a better grasp on what that looks like

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as far as their actual home water use or business water use.

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01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:48,920
Thank you.

633
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:51,260
Yeah, I agree with Lehman's terms.

634
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I think that's really helpful.

635
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:57,300
If I could do a little, just a side answer to the first question.

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In the areas that we don't have AMI technology

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already available to customers,

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and like he said, we're trying to implement that

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and it's on an as-need basis obviously,

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because there's a lot of cost involved.

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The trickles down to the rate payers.

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What we are doing the offset that right now we did just do a pilot program with flume technologies and it's

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It's a similar type of technology, but it's a retrofit

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So it's a device that can just velcro onto a customer's meter and it can supply the same type of data sets to them

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And they can get notifications of you know if it looks like there's maybe a leak happening because the meters turn for a long period of time

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So it is the same technology, but it's a retrofit and we are making those available

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I think we are the device typically costs about two hundred dollars and in our pilot program

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we are doing an instant, I think it's 75% rebates, ends up costing about $50, and they

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get that at the point of sale too. So they are limited because it is a pilot program,

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so there's only so many in each district, but if we start to see that be impactful and get

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01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:57,820
good feedback from the customer base, we're going to try to magnify that and obviously make it more

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available. Thank you. I have one last question. She's wondering, regarding the assignment of

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water days, it seems like that's still kind of open to abuse because someone could just water a

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whole lot on those two days. So has there been any talk about giving a property owner an

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01:10:16,860 --> 01:10:22,860
allotment of gallons to use and then they can kind of see how that is managed if they go way over

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01:10:22,860 --> 01:10:28,660
or if they're cutting back and going under? That's a very good question. And kind of what I touched on

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a second ago, that is that is part of what we would look at if we were to ever move into stage three

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or we do have allotments and things like that where we're having to measure those on a parcel basis.

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As far as like right now in stage two, we're not really giving people per capita use caps that they have to stay within.

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01:10:46,420 --> 01:10:53,120
But at the same time, the way our billing structure is when we see high use that's in comparisons to prior months or even prior years.

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We do have a very proactive outreach approach as far as reaching out to customers and just letting them know,

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01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:01,860
hey, this month it looks like you used a lot more water than you did this same time last year.

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And we have found that a lot of those communications do are impactful.

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01:11:06,980 --> 01:11:07,940
Great, thank you.

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01:11:08,700 --> 01:11:12,820
Okay, I see no further questions, so I will open it up to public comment.

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If you're participating remotely by Zoom, you may raise your hand at this time.

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Or if you're here joining us in person, you may fill out a speaker card.

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01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:22,380
Crystal, is there any public comment this evening?

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01:11:23,460 --> 01:11:28,440
I do not have any speaker cards, and there are no hands raised on Zoom.

670
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:35,360
Okay, well thank you all very much for joining us this evening was very informative, thank you.

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01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:44,560
Okay, we will now move on to item nine, new business consideration of adopting a resolution, approving and

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adopting the child care impact fee nexus study prepared by economic and planning systems,

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01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:53,520
ink for the city of San Carlos, state of July 14, 2021.

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01:11:58,350 --> 01:12:05,370
So Judy, hello, well, all right, we'll get started soon as you see a full screen there.

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01:12:05,370 --> 01:12:06,470
Good

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evening, Mayor, City Council, and St. Carlos community.

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01:12:12,740 --> 01:12:17,160
My name is Cijudi Hock, and I'm the Senior Management Analyst for the Community Development

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01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:17,680
Department.

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And tonight I will be doing two presentations related to child care, along with our

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consultant and a principal with Economic and Planning Systems Inc, Ashley Cannon.

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The first presentation, which will be fairly brief, is on the approving and adopting the

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child care impact fee next to study.

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01:12:37,220 --> 01:12:48,500
The childcare impact fee nexus study was prepared by EPS and completed in January 2020 and then updated in July 2021.

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The preparation of the nexus study was part of the city council's effort to address childcare shortage in the city.

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EPS developed the technical analysis and prepared the required nexus study to support potential implementation of a childcare development impact fee.

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01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:11,760
It is important to note that the city currently has several development impact fees, none of which is child care.

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The Nexus City provides legal context, assumptions, child care facility, cost estimates, fee calculations, and program implementation and administration.

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Basically, acting as a guide on how to properly implement and administer a child care impact fee program.

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The nexus study establishes the maximum development impact fee based on demographic employment and land use assumptions,

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01:13:39,860 --> 01:13:45,740
justifiable under the mitigation fee act that could be required for new developments within the city.

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The study found nexus between the impact of development and the need for child care in Sam Carlos, and

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the maximum fee is proportionate to the impact.

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01:13:55,560 --> 01:14:03,580
During the public hearing item, which is coming up next, staff and consultant will deep dive into the impact fee amounts.

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However, before Council can adopt an ordinance implementing a child care impact fee, it is required that the Nexus study is adopted as well.

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I will clarify that if Council chooses not to move forward with the upcoming ordinance implementing a child care impact fee, it is still okay to adopt the Nexus study tonight.

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With that, I will end the brief presentation on the Nexus study with staff recommendation

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01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:37,400
to approve and adopt the childcare impact fee Nexus study prepared by EPS for the city

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01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:39,360
dated July 14, 2021.

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01:14:40,060 --> 01:14:44,380
I'm here to answer any questions you may have along with our housing and economic development

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01:14:44,380 --> 01:14:50,480
manager, Adam Aronson, our CDD director, Al Savae, and our consultant, Ashley.

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01:14:50,980 --> 01:14:51,640
Thank you so much.

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01:14:53,020 --> 01:14:57,720
Thank you, Sajudi. Any questions from Council? Vice Mayor back.

703
01:14:58,720 --> 01:14:59,980
Thank you, Madam Mayor. Thank you.

704
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:29,980
Thank you, so Judy. And thanks for the presentation and for the work on the study. I don't have any sort of concerns about anything. I'm just, my question is, as I mentioned earlier, we at the two plus two meeting, they talked about some changes potentially in state, I don't know if it would be state law, some of the regulations around transitional kindergarten that might change some of the impact and the numbers, sort of the impact on what the needs are in our community. Is there, and this may be

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01:15:29,980 --> 01:15:34,880
be a question that might be better for the next discussion, but is that have any impact

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01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:40,900
potentially on the fee structure that would be recommended, or how that might impact

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01:15:40,900 --> 01:15:44,980
that if all of a sudden we only need half as many slots, because now the school district

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01:15:44,980 --> 01:15:47,600
is taking half of them because of the changes in the law.

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01:15:48,060 --> 01:15:49,700
I'll have our consultant answer that.

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01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:53,760
Thank you, good evening.

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01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:54,700
This is Ashley Cannon.

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01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:58,660
I heard you reference that earlier and I started thinking how am I going to answer that

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01:15:58,660 --> 01:15:59,680
question when that comes out?

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01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:29,660
I did appreciate it, I think that if we were looking potentially at an impact fee on residential development I would say yes I would actually want to go back and take another look at that but we are if you go down the path of thinking about an impact fee program tonight I think we're just looking at non residential development the basis for that nexus tonight was a survey that was conducted of businesses in San Mateo County that have child care

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01:16:29,660 --> 01:16:35,680
facilities on site and a survey was conducted looking at all the employees working here

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01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:39,600
on site, how many of these employees are taking advantage of the on-site child care.

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01:16:40,380 --> 01:16:44,720
And that survey found that 4% of employees take advantage of on-site child care.

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01:16:45,020 --> 01:16:48,300
So it's a very different approach to establishing that nexus.

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01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:52,500
We didn't look at the, on the non-residential side, we didn't look at the same demographic

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01:16:52,500 --> 01:16:53,100
factors.

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01:16:53,420 --> 01:16:56,640
So I would say, you know, thank you.

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01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:04,780
Any other questions? Okay. Seeing none, Crystal, is there any public comment?

723
01:17:10,180 --> 01:17:11,180
I am not seeing

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01:17:11,180 --> 01:17:16,660
any hands and I do not have any speaker cards for this item. Okay, is there any further

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01:17:16,660 --> 01:17:20,600
discussion on this item? Seeing none, I'll entertain a motion.

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01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:32,360
Madam Mayor, I move to adopt a resolution 2022-17. A resolution of the City Council of the

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01:17:32,360 --> 01:17:42,800
The City of St. Carlos approving and adopting the child care impact fee nexus study prepared by economic and planning systems ink for the City of St. Carlos stated July 14th, 2021.

728
01:17:44,740 --> 01:17:45,580
Is there a second?

729
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:46,420
Second.

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01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:48,420
Christel, could you please call the roll?

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01:17:49,260 --> 01:17:49,820
Vice Mayor Rat?

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01:17:50,480 --> 01:17:50,840
Yes.

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01:17:51,180 --> 01:17:51,860
Council Member Dugan?

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01:17:52,380 --> 01:17:52,580
Yes.

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01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:53,440
Council Member Collins?

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01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:54,100
Yes.

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01:17:54,440 --> 01:17:55,440
Council Member Parmelo-Hem?

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01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:56,280
Yes.

739
01:17:57,140 --> 01:17:57,800
And Mayor McDowell?

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01:17:58,300 --> 01:17:58,420
Yes.

741
01:17:58,420 --> 01:18:16,760
Yes. Okay. Thank you. We will now move on to item 10a, consideration of introducing an ordinance, adding chapter 8.52 to the San Carlos municipal code, establishing a child care development impact fee for new non residential developments in the city of San Carlos, and we have to do it again.

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01:18:17,420 --> 01:18:19,140
Good evening again, I'm back.

743
01:18:19,860 --> 01:18:22,760
So we will move right into the next childcare item,

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which is a public hearing to introduce an ordinance

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01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:28,120
adding chapter 8.5 to you to the code,

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01:18:28,460 --> 01:18:30,560
establishing a childcare impact fee

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01:18:31,220 --> 01:18:34,580
that will be applied for new non-residential developments

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01:18:34,580 --> 01:18:35,260
in the city.

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This meeting will focus on three items,

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which are the development impact fee program parameters,

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01:18:42,500 --> 01:18:46,780
potential use of revenues and actions and next steps.

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01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:54,760
Now before we jump into the development impact fee, staff really wanted to highlight all of the Achievement City Council has accomplished to

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01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:59,420
date to remove regulatory barriers related to child care.

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01:18:59,900 --> 01:19:09,420
Last year several municipal code updates were made including removing minor use permit requirements for commercial child care centers and specific zoning districts.

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the outdoor space requirements were removed, staff-level review for pickup and drop-off places were allowed allowing minor use permits, requirements for parking non-compliance, and updated hours of operation.

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Finally, other sections were also updated to ensure compliance with state law for small and large family in-home daycares.

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01:19:33,300 --> 01:19:39,100
Now, the goal of these municipal code updates is to make it easier for operators to either

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01:19:39,100 --> 01:19:42,620
expand or start new child care facilities.

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01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:48,680
In addition, earlier this year, staff launched a new city web page with information and resources

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01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:54,520
for parents and operators, child care advocates, and the community at large, so be sure to check

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01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:57,780
it out at cityofsandcarlos.org slash child care.

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01:19:57,780 --> 01:20:05,640
Now moving on from the regulatory achievements to the goals and recommendations for tonight's ordinance.

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The goals are to create new child care spaces and improve access to child care.

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Staff has been working with the child care subcommittee for the last few years on developing the impact v parameters

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and shared the fighting with the full council earlier this year at the March study session.

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01:20:22,980 --> 01:20:28,340
The recommendation would be to adopt the ordinance establishing a child care development

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01:20:28,340 --> 01:20:33,840
impact fee that would only be applied to new non-residential developments and include

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01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:35,860
an on-site option.

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01:20:36,480 --> 01:20:41,880
We will deep dive into the recommendations shortly and I will now hand it off to Ashley

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01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:46,900
from EPS who will present the data on the impact fees, briefly touch on the potential use of

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01:20:46,900 --> 01:20:50,400
revenues and provide more details on the build on site option.

772
01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:51,460
I haven't

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01:20:59,050 --> 01:21:01,010
been in an in-person meeting in two years.

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01:21:01,010 --> 01:21:02,290
I have to relearn all the remotes.

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01:21:03,010 --> 01:21:06,010
Ashley Canett with EPS, thank you for having me here tonight.

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01:21:06,750 --> 01:21:07,470
Next slide, please.

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01:21:07,810 --> 01:21:08,470
Oh, I'm going to do it.

778
01:21:08,550 --> 01:21:09,310
I'm sorry, I'm going to learn.

779
01:21:10,230 --> 01:21:10,830
Thank you.

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01:21:12,010 --> 01:21:14,370
So what are development impact fees?

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01:21:14,610 --> 01:21:16,770
There are one-time charges on new development.

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01:21:16,970 --> 01:21:19,870
As Sajudi just mentioned, they're authorized by state statutes,

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specifically the Mitigation Fee Act.

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They're set according to Nexus Logic,

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which establishes what we call a reasonable relationship between new development and the impacts of new development.

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01:21:31,530 --> 01:21:36,910
As the Judy just mentioned, they can only be used to fund capital projects, they're really not for maintenance or operations.

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So we're really focused on expanding the number of childcare spaces in the city.

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And of course there are one of several tools that can be used to help address the childcare need in the city.

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Consistent with the Mitigation FIAC and the Nexus standards, we completed a Nexus study, it's part of your packet.

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01:21:56,810 --> 01:22:02,710
you just adopted it, that establishes the maximum allowable fees for both residential and non-residential

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01:22:02,710 --> 01:22:08,030
development. It's not at all uncommon that the maximum allowable fees are too high.

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That is, they may start to impact the financial feasibility of new development.

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So what you see on the right, while on the left are the maximum fees calculated as part of the

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01:22:19,090 --> 01:22:24,270
nexus study, but what you see on the right are a set of recommended fees. You might be noticing that

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these fees are approximately half of the maximum and then rounded down.

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01:22:28,870 --> 01:22:34,570
In my view, this approach across the board helps us maintain the, or it's a proportional

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01:22:34,570 --> 01:22:38,230
reduction and it maintains the proportionality across land use categories.

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01:22:38,790 --> 01:22:39,990
But again, this will be up to you.

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You have the authority to adopt fees if you decide to proceed with an impact fee program

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at any level up to the maximum.

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01:22:49,010 --> 01:22:54,110
If tonight you decide to move forward with a childcare impact fee program, the fees will be considered

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01:22:54,110 --> 01:22:58,150
for adoption as part of the next reading of the ordinance by Resolution.

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The next several slides show you how we arrive at the recommended fees and we'll show

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01:23:06,420 --> 01:23:11,080
you what other cities are charging and how the new child care fees affect the overall burden

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01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:11,820
for new development.

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So in these next slides we're focusing not just on the non-residential land use categories

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per your prior direction and starting with office and R&D relative to other cities that

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01:23:29,230 --> 01:23:35,670
charge child care impact fees, a fee of $10 per square foot of new development would put

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01:23:35,670 --> 01:23:41,790
you way out in front of the pack. A reduced fee of $5 still has you among the leaders,

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01:23:42,030 --> 01:23:46,610
but behind Santa Monica, which has been quite aggressive in its child care efforts and

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liver more where the fee is a broader social and human services fee of which child care

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is just one part.

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For

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retail, we have a maximum fee of $5 a square foot versus a reduced fee of $2.50 a square foot.

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This puts you in a similar position below Santa Monica and Livermore, but closer to San Francisco.

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For hotel land use categories, we move from $3.35 a square foot to $1.60 a square foot.

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01:24:20,590 --> 01:24:25,710
San Francisco charges a little bit more at $2.00 a square foot, just for comparison.

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And we're in a very similar situation for industrial.

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Here we have a reduced fee of $1.60 a square foot to lower than San Francisco and Livermore

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01:24:36,210 --> 01:24:38,310
just a bit higher than San Mateo.

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So while the proceeding slides showed you just how the nexus-based maximum fees and the

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reduced fees compare with child care impact fees charged in other jurisdictions, this slide

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estimates the total fee burden in San Carlos.

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So, for each land use category on the left, we calculated the total fee burden per square

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foot of new development.

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The existing fees, I believe Sajudi mentioned include traffic impacts, sewer and commercial

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linkage fees.

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This calculation doesn't include planning or building permit fees.

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We then indicate what the total fee burden would be if the child care fees were to be adopted

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at the maximum levels and the reduced levels, and we show the percent increase as well.

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The resulting increases range from about 8% to 23% for the reduced fees.

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You had another request from our last study session on this topic, and that was, well,

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how does San Carlos' existing fee burden compared to the total fee burden in other nearby jurisdictions?

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And how does all of that shift if the reduced child care fees are incorporated into that analysis?

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So, we looked at impact fees in Belmont, Redwood City, San Mateo, South San Francisco, and Menlo Park.

836
01:25:56,670 --> 01:26:04,170
The first set of vertical bars are the office and R&D, and then we move into retail, and then hotel, and then industrial.

837
01:26:04,910 --> 01:26:08,090
And the solid orange bar is San Carlos currently.

838
01:26:08,790 --> 01:26:10,390
You can see it increases a little bit.

839
01:26:10,610 --> 01:26:15,190
The orange bar with the diagonal lines is when we add in the reduced child care fee.

840
01:26:15,770 --> 01:26:22,270
So, adding in that reduced child care fee do not change your relative ranking for office

841
01:26:22,270 --> 01:26:23,470
R&D or industrial.

842
01:26:24,110 --> 01:26:29,910
For retail, the reduced child care fees bring you just a smidge ahead of San Mateo and South

843
01:26:29,910 --> 01:26:30,610
San Francisco.

844
01:26:31,470 --> 01:26:36,050
For hotel, the reduced child care fees are adding in the reduced child care fees bring

845
01:26:36,050 --> 01:26:40,570
you again, just a bit ahead of San Mateo, but well below Belmont and Menlo Park.

846
01:26:40,570 --> 01:26:46,410
In no case here, are we seeing a competitive disadvantage by adopting the reduced fees?

847
01:26:50,220 --> 01:26:56,340
We also took a deeper dive into how a few of our neighboring cities are managing their child care programs.

848
01:26:56,980 --> 01:27:01,460
So Redwood City, for example, they do not charge a child care impact fee.

849
01:27:01,720 --> 01:27:06,440
But the city employs a full-time child care coordinator who's housed in the parks and recreation department.

850
01:27:07,550 --> 01:27:12,520
The city's waived all planning related fees associated with large family child care facilities.

851
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:19,300
In South San Francisco, childcare also is housed in the Parks Division, and the city manages three preschools there.

852
01:27:20,300 --> 01:27:23,220
A fee in South San Francisco was adopted in 2001.

853
01:27:23,540 --> 01:27:29,140
They have a current balance of about $2 million, and they've been collecting and spending along the way.

854
01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:36,680
They've just approved a childcare preschool center for 80 children with total cost expected around $8 to $10 million.

855
01:27:38,620 --> 01:27:46,340
The city of San Mateo has had a child care fee since 2004 and it applies to new development over 10,000 square feet.

856
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:52,640
It has a current balance of more than a million dollars, and in San Mateo to support parents and

857
01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:59,120
providers, the city partners with the San Mateo County 4Cs, the Child Care Coordinating Council, I don't know you're familiar with there.

858
01:28:04,180 --> 01:28:11,060
So your decision to proceed with the child care impact fee, it may depend in part on how the revenue can be used.

859
01:28:11,060 --> 01:28:13,820
and how effective you think the fee program will be.

860
01:28:14,460 --> 01:28:17,220
The mitigation fee act, as I've mentioned a couple times now,

861
01:28:17,500 --> 01:28:20,160
really constrains how impact fee revenue can be used.

862
01:28:20,340 --> 01:28:22,880
In case of childcare, the fee revenue can be used

863
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:24,860
to expand the number of childcare spaces.

864
01:28:25,340 --> 01:28:27,320
It can take the form of acquiring land,

865
01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:30,500
building a center, which I understand is probably

866
01:28:30,500 --> 01:28:32,140
not your preferred use of funds,

867
01:28:32,780 --> 01:28:35,740
subsidizing the development of a childcare facility

868
01:28:35,740 --> 01:28:38,100
being built by a private developer, for example,

869
01:28:38,100 --> 01:28:47,260
and or even potentially offering loans or grants to home daycare providers to help fund improvements that would allow those operators to expand their capacity.

870
01:28:48,520 --> 01:28:54,220
Importantly, the revenue cannot be used to subsidize operations or otherwise provide direct assistance to families.

871
01:28:58,820 --> 01:29:09,600
But in prior study sessions we received direction that you're interested in solutions that are really focused on creating spaces and directly helping the San Carlos community as much as possible.

872
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:15,620
So, if you move forward with an impact fee program, you'll see in the draft ordinance that there's a build on site option.

873
01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:26,340
And what this is intended to do is provide an option for developers who are proposing large enough projects to build a child care facility on site rather than pay the fee.

874
01:29:26,840 --> 01:29:36,520
This is really only a realistic option if the size of the development is such that it can accommodate a minimum of 5,000 square feet of child care space.

875
01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:44,700
We, what we've learned is that if the child care space is any smaller, it's much more challenging to operate with any efficiency.

876
01:29:45,320 --> 01:29:51,100
And it's the size of the larger project, rather the size of the larger project should be large enough.

877
01:29:51,940 --> 01:29:59,980
I'm sorry, the size of the project should be large enough such that the child care space is really an ancillary space.

878
01:30:03,660 --> 01:30:29,980
The ordinance proposes that new development greater than 50,000 square feet may allocate 10% of the space to child care, such that the minimum size of the child care space is 5,000 square feet, which would serve at least 50 children or about 50 children. Of course, the space is only of benefit if the developer also contracts with a licensed operator and child care and the child care needs, if the child care

879
01:30:29,980 --> 01:30:33,660
care use works within the general plan and zoning requirements as well, of course.

880
01:30:35,080 --> 01:30:44,820
Another option if on-site development is not feasible, the city could consider letting the applicant meet its fee obligation by building a new child care center off site, and that would need to be mutually agreed to.

881
01:30:51,390 --> 01:30:52,030
Thank you, Ashley.

882
01:30:53,210 --> 01:31:02,430
I know that was a lot of information, but all that data is just really important when you guys are considering to adopt an ordinance establishing a child care development impact fee.

883
01:31:02,430 --> 01:31:08,430
Again, it will only apply to non-residential developments, and will include a build-on-site

884
01:31:08,430 --> 01:31:08,990
option.

885
01:31:10,490 --> 01:31:15,270
Now, if the council chooses to move forward with adopting the ordinance, today would

886
01:31:15,270 --> 01:31:20,470
be considered the first reading, and the second reading would occur on August 8, 2022,

887
01:31:20,810 --> 01:31:26,650
and during the second reading, a resolution adopting the exact fee levels, which again would

888
01:31:26,650 --> 01:31:31,610
be based on tonight's feedback from council, would also be considered for adoption during

889
01:31:31,610 --> 01:31:37,150
that same council meeting and that would make the ordinance go into effect on September

890
01:31:37,150 --> 01:31:41,210
8, 2022. That concludes our presentation.

891
01:31:41,990 --> 01:31:47,290
Me, Ashley, I'll add them. We're all here to answer any questions. Again, thank you so

892
01:31:47,290 --> 01:31:47,950
much for your time.

893
01:31:50,300 --> 01:31:53,760
Thank you, Secretary. Great presentation. Thank you, Ashley. We'll open

894
01:31:53,760 --> 01:31:59,180
it up to questions. Councilmember Dugan. Yeah, thank you, Madam Mayor. And thank you for

895
01:31:59,180 --> 01:32:05,700
the good report and all the very good work on this, and I appreciate highlighting the work

896
01:32:05,700 --> 01:32:12,920
we've already done as a city on child care. But this is truly substantive when you think about

897
01:32:12,920 --> 01:32:19,640
our ability to actually get more child care in town. So I really like what we're doing here.

898
01:32:20,320 --> 01:32:26,540
Some questions, though. First, I just want to make sure this works like our other fees in that

899
01:32:26,540 --> 01:32:32,620
This is just with net new square footage, so if someone tears down 20,000 feet and

900
01:32:32,620 --> 01:32:36,680
put its 100,000 feet, the fees do on the 80,000, right?

901
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:44,940
Okay, and it's a one-time thing if the ownership of that changes, but the square footage

902
01:32:44,940 --> 01:32:47,580
doesn't change, the fee doesn't come back around, doesn't?

903
01:32:47,840 --> 01:32:51,860
No, it will just be a one-time fee unless there's a special use permit required

904
01:32:51,860 --> 01:32:54,900
during the change, and there's a menu square footage.

905
01:32:54,900 --> 01:32:58,220
Okay, but O is tied to news square footage.

906
01:32:58,980 --> 01:33:02,480
Okay, great, and then fees are great.

907
01:33:02,820 --> 01:33:07,500
We can do good work with them, but we really do need child care now.

908
01:33:07,820 --> 01:33:12,760
So I'm very glad we have a direct billed option that we're considering, and

909
01:33:12,760 --> 01:33:17,980
I just want to make sure that it works without any unintended consequences.

910
01:33:18,380 --> 01:33:23,560
So I'm a little hung up on why we want to limit it to just projects,

911
01:33:23,560 --> 01:33:31,220
5,000 feet or over, it sounds like the constraint is, we feel like they need to be at least 5,000 square foot facilities.

912
01:33:31,760 --> 01:33:39,080
But I think if someone wants to have a 5,000 foot child care and a 20,000 foot development, I think we should be fine with that.

913
01:33:39,280 --> 01:33:46,020
So is there any reason we should limit it to just 50,000 and over, should we just say it has to be at least 5,000 square feet?

914
01:33:46,340 --> 01:33:48,620
That's a great question, I'll have Ashley answer that.

915
01:33:51,540 --> 01:33:53,260
It is a good question, thank you.

916
01:33:53,940 --> 01:33:58,640
As we think about the kinds of applications that are going to come before the city, they

917
01:33:58,640 --> 01:34:03,500
are, for the most part, not going to be primarily child-new child care development.

918
01:34:03,700 --> 01:34:06,760
So the thought is that the child care is really going to be an ancillary use.

919
01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:12,520
And in your example, which I remembered the numbers, if it was like what, a 20,000 square

920
01:34:12,520 --> 01:34:18,200
foot new development and 5,000 square feet of child care, that would be 25% of the square

921
01:34:18,200 --> 01:34:24,680
footage that would be allocating to child care, and while there may be no reason not to accept

922
01:34:24,680 --> 01:34:29,680
an offer like that, it's very unlikely that with the economics of the development,

923
01:34:29,920 --> 01:34:34,860
the developer, an applicant would want to allocate that much potentially revenue generating space

924
01:34:34,860 --> 01:34:36,400
to child care.

925
01:34:36,880 --> 01:34:42,920
That made that, I mean, that might be the case, but why would we want to preempt that as an option

926
01:34:42,920 --> 01:34:50,160
for them. I mean, don't we just want to say that a minimum size of 5,000 square feet is what we're requiring?

927
01:34:51,020 --> 01:34:57,440
And if they want to devote 25, 30, 50% of it to child care, we should be okay with that.

928
01:34:58,760 --> 01:35:04,020
Well, you want as a child care onsite that has all the potential to operate as efficiently as possible.

929
01:35:04,340 --> 01:35:10,960
Yeah. Because in particular, what concerns me is I believe it's proposed here, if someone was

930
01:35:10,960 --> 01:35:20,080
I was proposing 100% child care, like they just want to build a new child care center I believe and it was under 50,000 square feet.

931
01:35:21,600 --> 01:35:29,220
They would have to pay the fee as well, so they're providing child care and would also have to pay the fee, correct?

932
01:35:29,600 --> 01:35:34,900
Right, so any new child care use has exempt from impacts used generally in the city?

933
01:35:35,320 --> 01:35:38,400
Is that one of the regulatory, I'd need to step back and let the city start.

934
01:35:38,400 --> 01:35:44,640
Sure, I mean, that's true, it's because we've already exempted child care otherwise.

935
01:35:46,480 --> 01:35:54,080
Okay, okay, that helps, and then I'm wondering about larger development.

936
01:35:54,580 --> 01:35:58,900
So, take say 500,000 square foot development.

937
01:35:59,160 --> 01:36:07,240
Now, 10% of that would be a 50,000 square foot child care center that's probably more than anyone would ever want to build.

938
01:36:09,100 --> 01:36:16,700
So is there a provision to provide for that, like, for example, say they wanted to build a 10,000 foot.

939
01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:26,660
Would they get an exemption for, you know, the first 100,000 square feet of that development, and then they could pay the fee on the other 400,000 square feet?

940
01:36:26,760 --> 01:36:31,540
Or are we saying if they don't do 10%, they don't get any fee relief?

941
01:36:32,180 --> 01:36:37,860
The thought here is that an application of that size would be probably part of a development

942
01:36:37,860 --> 01:36:42,440
agreement, not necessarily subject to a development agreement but part of a development agreement

943
01:36:42,440 --> 01:36:47,780
because of the size of the project, at which point you have a very broad latitude to negotiate

944
01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:53,160
for the size of a childcare facility that makes sense, a combination of onsite versus

945
01:36:53,160 --> 01:36:59,140
and a fee potentially, broad latitude to do what really makes sense for the development

946
01:36:59,140 --> 01:37:00,660
And then a community at that point?

947
01:37:01,300 --> 01:37:03,220
I mean, sure, I understand plan development.

948
01:37:03,420 --> 01:37:08,000
I guess I just don't know why we wouldn't allow a partial direct bill option.

949
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:10,540
I mean, is there any reason we wouldn't want to do that?

950
01:37:12,640 --> 01:37:19,520
Meaning like the 500,000 if they just want to do 10,000, we relieve them of 100,000 worth of fee.

951
01:37:19,880 --> 01:37:21,540
That's something that could be negotiated with them.

952
01:37:22,780 --> 01:37:28,980
Well, wouldn't we, I mean, is there any reason not to just make that part of this fee if we're not in plan

953
01:37:28,980 --> 01:37:29,360
and development?

954
01:37:45,180 --> 01:37:47,940
Good evening, Honorable Mayor, members of the City Council.

955
01:37:48,160 --> 01:37:52,860
Could you say a little bit more, Council Member Duggan about your idea?

956
01:37:53,400 --> 01:37:55,580
Yeah, thank you, all. It's Council Member Duggan.

957
01:37:56,440 --> 01:37:56,740
I'm sorry.

958
01:37:59,180 --> 01:38:11,160
So the idea is just if someone's doing a larger development and the 10% would be required

959
01:38:11,160 --> 01:38:13,360
for the fee relief, right, for the direct bill.

960
01:38:13,640 --> 01:38:21,400
But if that 10% doesn't fit into their project, I'm just interested in encouraging as much

961
01:38:21,400 --> 01:38:22,700
direct bill as possible.

962
01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:30,720
So I would rather they do a partial direct bill and get partial fee relief than decide they're not going to

963
01:38:30,720 --> 01:38:36,960
do, build any child care, and now we have that four or five year delay between receiving a fee and

964
01:38:36,960 --> 01:38:38,300
maybe doing something with it.

965
01:38:39,200 --> 01:38:47,320
So, I'm just asking maybe we should consider just that, a partial direct bill.

966
01:38:48,920 --> 01:38:58,620
My example was 500,000 square foot project to do direct bill that have to do 50,000 square feet of child care.

967
01:38:59,200 --> 01:39:04,480
Wouldn't we want them to be able to do 10,000 square feet of child care and get partial fee relief?

968
01:39:05,340 --> 01:39:15,700
I think that's an option, and in fact, what I think I understand about the way the ordinance is set up right now is that that would be negotiable, isn't that correct?

969
01:39:15,880 --> 01:39:17,240
Yeah, so it would be negotiable.

970
01:39:17,380 --> 01:39:18,340
You could do it that way.

971
01:39:18,580 --> 01:39:28,320
Now, if you want to codify that in the ordinance, that might actually limit your ability to negotiate to some extent.

972
01:39:28,320 --> 01:39:37,860
And so that's just one idea, but you could theoretically, yes, you could, you could change the ordinance to do it that way.

973
01:39:37,940 --> 01:39:50,860
And one comment I wanted to make about developments under 50,000 square feet, a developer still has the option to build childcare in a development less than 50,000 square feet.

974
01:39:50,860 --> 01:40:00,780
So this ordinance does not limit a developer that wants to build a small childcare facility in a development less than 50,000 square feet.

975
01:40:01,160 --> 01:40:02,880
And I'm not sure that that was clear.

976
01:40:03,180 --> 01:40:08,340
Well, they would still have to pay the full fee though, isn't that right under this ordinance?

977
01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:17,560
Under the ordinance, they would have the ability to, and you can clarify this, I don't think they would have to pay the full fee.

978
01:40:17,560 --> 01:40:19,780
They could actually, and is that right?

979
01:40:20,620 --> 01:40:36,040
Yeah, so I think what they could do is either you could negotiate with them to build a facility at the full fee if that's okay or they could pay a partial fee and build up a smaller or some small facility as well.

980
01:40:36,700 --> 01:40:43,440
So through an agreement with the city, could be a development agreement or some other kind of contractual agreement.

981
01:40:43,440 --> 01:40:52,620
that they could do either one of those ideas, so it does not limit the city or the developer.

982
01:40:52,800 --> 01:40:56,960
But the average developer reading the code wouldn't be aware of that option.

983
01:40:57,160 --> 01:40:59,960
That's what I'm concerned about, I'm sorry.

984
01:41:00,520 --> 01:41:04,540
Okay, I know ahead, I think it does say something in the ordinance, doesn't it?

985
01:41:04,980 --> 01:41:14,690
That through another type of agreement, a developer could negotiate with the city to build

986
01:41:14,690 --> 01:41:18,210
something and if it's not clear in the ordinance it should be clear.

987
01:41:18,590 --> 01:41:28,590
Yeah, I just want to make sure that it's very easy for people to use this direct build option and actually build the child care because that's what we're trying to accomplish here.

988
01:41:28,850 --> 01:41:42,150
A lot more interested in making sure it's as easy as possible for developers to understand this option and actually build it as opposed to handing us money in five, six years later, maybe more child care comes around.

989
01:41:42,150 --> 01:41:53,730
And maybe it will take us just a moment to locate that language and point out in the ordinance for you to see if you think it's clear enough so maybe we could do that.

990
01:41:53,830 --> 01:42:08,810
Through the chair, it's in this, it's a second paragraph that kind of falls on the next page on page 104 of the packet that talks about an agreement as a possibility to satisfy the requirement.

991
01:42:08,810 --> 01:42:19,090
But it's in section 8.52.060, which is the same one where the $50,000 square foot number is stated.

992
01:42:19,570 --> 01:42:19,810
Okay.

993
01:42:21,590 --> 01:42:30,030
We are happy to, you know, clarify additionally in the ordinance if it's unclear, so we're happy to go back and edit that.

994
01:42:30,390 --> 01:42:35,890
Okay, I just, in agreement, would slow down the process, etc., right?

995
01:42:35,890 --> 01:42:54,350
So here in the ordinance, it can be articulated in a development agreement or a similar mutually agreed upon agreement which could be an MOU or something that works quickest for the city and the developer as long as both parties mutually agreed to the terms.

996
01:42:54,350 --> 01:42:56,830
Got an MOU's required anyway, right?

997
01:42:57,130 --> 01:43:00,770
Because even if any direct bill needs the MOU.

998
01:43:01,170 --> 01:43:03,350
So, okay, all right, thank you, appreciate that.

999
01:43:03,670 --> 01:43:04,150
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

1000
01:43:04,890 --> 01:43:05,430
Thanks, John.

1001
01:43:05,690 --> 01:43:06,810
I appreciate those clarifications.

1002
01:43:07,030 --> 01:43:07,830
Council member Collins.

1003
01:43:09,850 --> 01:43:11,390
Thank you, Madam Mayor, and thank you,

1004
01:43:11,570 --> 01:43:15,370
Sir Judy and Ashley, very thorough presentation.

1005
01:43:16,370 --> 01:43:17,470
Very informative, too.

1006
01:43:17,610 --> 01:43:20,210
I'm very, just think you just did a great job on it.

1007
01:43:21,510 --> 01:43:23,670
A couple questions, I don't know of who answers

1008
01:43:23,670 --> 01:43:25,130
It was a masterly hercicidity.

1009
01:43:25,910 --> 01:43:32,630
A couple of things stuck out to me on our office and R&D, I think, was it?

1010
01:43:34,230 --> 01:43:37,910
Yeah, Santa Monica and Livermore have pretty high fees.

1011
01:43:39,390 --> 01:43:41,230
How are those working out for them?

1012
01:43:41,350 --> 01:43:44,830
Do we know are they prohibitive?

1013
01:43:45,670 --> 01:43:48,830
Are they discouraged, office and R&D growth?

1014
01:43:48,970 --> 01:43:51,610
Have they been a non-factor or is it too hard to tell?

1015
01:43:51,610 --> 01:43:54,370
because they're overall fees, just incorporate those.

1016
01:43:57,370 --> 01:44:00,510
I haven't looked at it very specifically in a while now.

1017
01:44:01,130 --> 01:44:04,150
Santa Monica does not seem to have very much trouble.

1018
01:44:04,350 --> 01:44:05,910
They have high impact fees in general.

1019
01:44:06,030 --> 01:44:09,590
They do not seem to be seen any slowdown in their development activity.

1020
01:44:10,730 --> 01:44:16,130
In Livermore, the fee is, child care is a part of a health and human services fee,

1021
01:44:16,250 --> 01:44:18,050
and so there's more that they're doing with it.

1022
01:44:18,050 --> 01:44:25,950
There's also a program that's helping with some of their senior programs and senior facilities, for example.

1023
01:44:26,370 --> 01:44:32,730
And so it does not seem to be deterring development, but there's more that they're doing with the fee as well.

1024
01:44:33,350 --> 01:44:39,390
And I understand they're completely different demographics, and there's fairly complex that you can't break it down to one fee.

1025
01:44:39,390 --> 01:44:46,150
So, this whole concept of providing childcare is based at 10%.

1026
01:44:46,150 --> 01:44:51,210
Is that a commonplace practice?

1027
01:44:51,450 --> 01:44:57,350
Is it somewhat commonplace in the development world these days and municipalities?

1028
01:44:57,350 --> 01:44:57,590
No, please.

1029
01:44:59,090 --> 01:44:59,850
Speaking not.

1030
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:26,380
Not just of child care impact fees, but impact fee programs in general. There are often provisions that developers may comply with the impact fee requirement by providing in kind or actually building the facilities. In those circumstances, you often need to enter into credit reimbursement agreements and those types of things, but it is not at all uncommon that a developer might comply with the impact fee requirement through a direct build.

1031
01:45:26,380 --> 01:45:34,300
And I guess that's more to the point of my question is, are they actually building the child care space?

1032
01:45:35,000 --> 01:45:43,260
In other words, is there are there 100,000 square foot facilities out there that are building 10,000 square feet of child care space, and are they?

1033
01:45:43,640 --> 01:45:54,280
Is that, in any way, a potential deterrent for commercial developers to do that?

1034
01:45:54,280 --> 01:46:05,920
Or is there a certain percentage of them that say we're just not going to do that, we don't have enough, you know, we have too many things that we need to put into that 100,000 square feet, so we'll, we'll pay the fee.

1035
01:46:06,320 --> 01:46:15,640
Right, well, so it is an alternative, it's not a requirement, this on build or build on site option is, it's an alternative to paying the fee.

1036
01:46:16,180 --> 01:46:22,580
And the developer would have to determine whether or not that makes sense for that particular project.

1037
01:46:22,580 --> 01:46:37,000
Is there physical space? Is there, you know, what are the other needs of the other uses? Is there child-on-site child care a use that would be a benefit to the employers and attractive thing for an employer to be able to offer to its employees?

1038
01:46:37,960 --> 01:46:52,220
I am not. This is a creative approach within the realm of childcare fees. It's a creative approach to trying to accelerate the provision of childcare spaces rather than having the development of childcare spaces.

1039
01:46:52,220 --> 01:46:57,040
It's lag a little bit, right, when the fee comes in, the fee then needs to be deployed and leveraged.

1040
01:46:57,360 --> 01:47:03,560
But this is an attempt to respond to council direction to get childcare spaces built as quickly as possible.

1041
01:47:04,020 --> 01:47:10,320
But I do not know a very many childcare impact fee programs where this is codified in the ordinance.

1042
01:47:10,760 --> 01:47:13,880
It happens more often through the development agreements.

1043
01:47:14,500 --> 01:47:20,720
I mean, I'm fully supportive of providing more child care in town and encouraging developers to do it.

1044
01:47:20,840 --> 01:47:29,080
I don't want to happen as that we put ourselves in a position where we've made it unattractive for developers to come here.

1045
01:47:29,180 --> 01:47:42,000
And that, at least in my last question, is probably more speculative on your part is that what's your impression of the overall attractiveness

1046
01:47:42,000 --> 01:47:49,560
of our city to potential commercial developers, or is it becoming a non-factor because so

1047
01:47:49,560 --> 01:47:55,280
many municipalities are doing and they're saying, well, you know, this is not new, we have

1048
01:47:55,280 --> 01:48:00,940
to do it in this city and that city, so St. Carlos is pretty much following suit.

1049
01:48:01,700 --> 01:48:06,500
My understanding is that there are a lot of developers interested in building and being

1050
01:48:06,500 --> 01:48:07,480
in St. Carlos.

1051
01:48:07,480 --> 01:48:12,660
We looked at this question in a number of different ways, as we presented in the PowerPoint.

1052
01:48:13,360 --> 01:48:19,840
Both the comparison, how would these childcare fees compare to other jurisdictions with childcare fees?

1053
01:48:20,240 --> 01:48:23,520
What does it do to the aggregate fee burden in San Carlos?

1054
01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:29,840
And then how might that aggregate fee burden in San Carlos compare with the aggregate fee burden in other nearby jurisdictions?

1055
01:48:30,500 --> 01:48:37,040
I did not see any red flags, or I didn't see anything very alarming from a competitive

1056
01:48:37,040 --> 01:48:42,120
of perspective there, it didn't change your ranking to other nearby cities very significantly.

1057
01:48:43,480 --> 01:48:45,460
Okay, thank you, thank you Madam Mayor.

1058
01:48:45,500 --> 01:48:47,120
It is speculative though, so thank you.

1059
01:48:47,280 --> 01:48:49,880
I know, I know, I know, I didn't want to mean to put you on the spot.

1060
01:48:50,060 --> 01:48:57,740
I just wanted to get your overall impression of it because you know obviously this is what you do, so thanks again.

1061
01:48:58,500 --> 01:49:00,080
Good questions, good questions, Ron.

1062
01:49:00,200 --> 01:49:01,400
Thank you, Vice Mayor Rack.

1063
01:49:01,400 --> 01:49:02,220
Thank

1064
01:49:05,930 --> 01:49:11,690
you Madam Mayor, and I want to thank John and Ron for the questions was helpful.

1065
01:49:13,310 --> 01:49:23,170
So I'm, first question I had is when you talk about, and this may be, I don't know, who should answer this?

1066
01:49:23,250 --> 01:49:34,190
When you talk about the fee burden, are there, are there things that aren't included in this number that are sort of any kind of planning fees, building fees, other stuff?

1067
01:49:34,190 --> 01:49:38,190
like how does that overall compare to a San Mate or something else?

1068
01:49:38,290 --> 01:49:47,070
I mean, because I guess my question, I see these fees, but maybe are planning some of our planning fees are lower, so the overall number isn't quite as bad.

1069
01:49:48,250 --> 01:49:53,610
We tried to keep our comparison as apples to apples as possible, focused just on these impact fees.

1070
01:49:54,070 --> 01:50:01,550
So while we have not reflected planning or building fees in San Carlos, we also excluded them in the other cities that we looked at.

1071
01:50:01,550 --> 01:50:13,550
To the extent that to your question, to the extent that the other cities are significantly higher or lower than San Carlos with respect to planning or building fees, that's not reflected in this aggregate comparison.

1072
01:50:14,450 --> 01:50:22,410
Right, so we don't have a, but when you say don't compare apples apples, how would that not, by including those, how would that not give us a better picture?

1073
01:50:23,630 --> 01:50:31,630
Typically, so with the impact fees, and when I'm comparing them across jurisdictions, I want to normalize them to a per-square-foot of development.

1074
01:50:31,850 --> 01:50:34,270
That's one way I can keep the comparison apples to apples.

1075
01:50:34,830 --> 01:50:39,590
When we start to talk about planning and building fees, that's not necessarily how those fees are calculated.

1076
01:50:40,110 --> 01:50:42,510
They may be based on the type of application.

1077
01:50:43,270 --> 01:50:45,450
They may be based on the value of the construction.

1078
01:50:46,170 --> 01:50:51,090
And I haven't put together prototypes, you know, like a sample development project

1079
01:50:51,090 --> 01:50:52,630
to help work through that.

1080
01:50:52,850 --> 01:50:55,050
So we kept everything on a per square foot basis.

1081
01:50:55,710 --> 01:50:57,070
Just looking at it in fact, please.

1082
01:50:57,390 --> 01:50:57,590
Okay.

1083
01:50:58,270 --> 01:51:05,210
And how do we define the various categories of the,

1084
01:51:05,470 --> 01:51:08,310
I hotel, I understand it, but I'm just struggling

1085
01:51:08,310 --> 01:51:12,570
between sort of when we look at industrial and office and R&D,

1086
01:51:13,510 --> 01:51:15,630
do we bifurcate it all?

1087
01:51:15,750 --> 01:51:18,050
So if something is an industrial facility,

1088
01:51:18,050 --> 01:51:23,430
but they've got, you know, some office space because that's just how they operate right there, so they may have that.

1089
01:51:23,790 --> 01:51:31,390
Do we look at that when we calculate the fees or is it your zone for X, so this is what it is, and that's what the fee is, how does that work?

1090
01:51:32,050 --> 01:51:39,670
One of the underpinning assumptions that help us to differentiate fees across land use categories is employment density.

1091
01:51:40,330 --> 01:51:44,670
It's one of the ways that we get at the proportionality of different land uses.

1092
01:51:45,450 --> 01:51:51,430
And it used to be, when I started during this work a long time ago, that R&D was more like industrial.

1093
01:51:51,750 --> 01:51:55,630
It looked, it felt employment densities were a little more like industrial and

1094
01:51:55,630 --> 01:51:58,050
industrial and R&D went together.

1095
01:51:58,430 --> 01:52:06,770
Over the last 10, 15 years, we've really seen R&D start to look a little bit more like office with employment densities, more like office.

1096
01:52:07,310 --> 01:52:13,350
So there's an example where employment density is really driving the way that we're

1097
01:52:13,350 --> 01:52:28,990
categories in our land use categories, if ever, or categorizing the land uses, if ever you had a situation where an applicant came to the counter and wasn't sure or wanted to contest which land use category most accurately fit their use.

1098
01:52:29,590 --> 01:52:34,770
We have a provision in here typically that it's left to the community development director or similar.

1099
01:52:34,770 --> 01:52:44,010
Okay. And then, I was intrigued with some of the things that Councilmember Dugan mentioned

1100
01:52:44,010 --> 01:52:49,390
about, because I do think we need to encourage more onsite as best as we can, right? That's

1101
01:52:49,390 --> 01:52:52,990
the best way to get more childcare versus trying to build a, I mean, I know how expensive

1102
01:52:52,990 --> 01:52:57,690
it is for us on the impact fees for housing, how difficult and how expensive it is, so the

1103
01:52:57,690 --> 01:53:03,150
more we can do that. So, I'm glad that we got the clarification on the sort of negotiation

1104
01:53:03,150 --> 01:53:06,630
the agreement, because I think that's helpful to understand from that.

1105
01:53:07,790 --> 01:53:15,890
And then I just would, and not really a question, but kind of echo a little bit of, I know we're sort of not don't have all the crystal ball on this.

1106
01:53:16,590 --> 01:53:21,510
But just read a little bit of concern like Council Member Collins mentioned.

1107
01:53:21,650 --> 01:53:29,490
I just don't want to price ourselves out of the market because I do think that we lose the intention of these fees.

1108
01:53:29,490 --> 01:53:35,110
So we end up not getting development to come in eventually because people don't want to come in.

1109
01:53:35,170 --> 01:53:39,150
They can go to Redwood City or somewhere else, and it's a more cost effective place.

1110
01:53:39,290 --> 01:53:44,150
And we don't, assuming that we're not going to get funding from the state or

1111
01:53:44,150 --> 01:53:47,870
the county for other things, that's sort of our vehicle to get to solve some of these problems.

1112
01:53:48,190 --> 01:53:52,290
And so I understand sort of tough to balance it.

1113
01:53:52,390 --> 01:53:57,290
So I guess it's more just registering opinion versus a question around that.

1114
01:53:59,610 --> 01:54:00,010
Okay,

1115
01:54:02,410 --> 01:54:03,110
thank you, Vice Mayor.

1116
01:54:04,970 --> 01:54:06,130
I don't have any questions.

1117
01:54:06,130 --> 01:54:09,870
I enjoyed serving with Council Member Parmar-Lohan on the Child Care Subcommittee and we've

1118
01:54:09,870 --> 01:54:13,290
gone through this quite a bit, so I have no questions.

1119
01:54:14,230 --> 01:54:16,310
I guess we'll go ahead and open it up to public comment.

1120
01:54:17,190 --> 01:54:20,910
If you're participating by Zoom, now is the time to raise your hand.

1121
01:54:22,130 --> 01:54:24,450
And I don't know if we have any speaker cards here for in-person.

1122
01:54:24,890 --> 01:54:26,310
No, I have no speaker cards.

1123
01:54:26,310 --> 01:54:30,230
Do you see a hand raised on zoom from Sarah Kinahan?

1124
01:54:31,170 --> 01:54:32,870
You should be able to unmute.

1125
01:54:36,180 --> 01:54:39,760
Good evening, Mayor McDowell, Council members and city staff.

1126
01:54:40,460 --> 01:54:41,460
My name is Sarah Kinahan.

1127
01:54:41,860 --> 01:54:45,060
I am a St. Carlos resident, a mom of two sons

1128
01:54:45,060 --> 01:54:46,880
who use childcare in the city

1129
01:54:46,880 --> 01:54:49,200
and coordinator for the San Mateo County

1130
01:54:49,200 --> 01:54:50,860
Child Care Partnership Council.

1131
01:54:51,500 --> 01:54:53,600
I'm here tonight to express appreciation

1132
01:54:53,600 --> 01:54:55,600
and support to the city for considering

1133
01:54:55,600 --> 01:55:02,160
a child care development impact fee. I wish I was here with our updated needs assessment data

1134
01:55:02,160 --> 01:55:08,220
full report. We don't yet have that. It will be available in the fall. But I do have some preliminary

1135
01:55:08,220 --> 01:55:15,620
data for the city that shows a current need of at least 500 new child care spaces for children zero

1136
01:55:15,620 --> 01:55:21,780
to five. This is a combination of demand from residents and people coming into the city to work.

1137
01:55:22,960 --> 01:55:33,940
There was a question earlier about whether transitional kindergarten will impact this need for child care and we have done projections through 2032.

1138
01:55:34,640 --> 01:55:47,840
And while we show a decrease in the need as children move into transitional kindergarten, we are projecting at least a need of 400 new child care spaces at that time.

1139
01:55:47,840 --> 01:56:03,420
And I want to note that the demand from people coming into the city to work actually is projected to increase by 2032. So you would be addressing that need through this type of development fee on non residential developments.

1140
01:56:05,680 --> 01:56:19,980
The other question was whether other cities have seen developers choose the on-site option and I know of at least five commercial developments in surrounding cities that are including six to 10,000 square foot child care facilities.

1141
01:56:20,820 --> 01:56:30,360
So again, thank you for being a leader on this issue and working with our organization over the last few years on ways the city can support child care and San Carlos.

1142
01:56:30,760 --> 01:56:31,040
Thank you.

1143
01:56:32,740 --> 01:56:35,600
Thank you, Sarah, and thanks for all the good work you do in the county.

1144
01:56:36,700 --> 01:56:38,420
Crystal, is anyone else in Zoom?

1145
01:56:40,460 --> 01:56:41,880
No hands from the public.

1146
01:56:43,320 --> 01:56:45,500
Okay, I'll open it up to discussion now.

1147
01:56:45,580 --> 01:56:47,300
I see Councilmember Palmer, low hands hand.

1148
01:56:48,720 --> 01:56:49,580
Thank you, Mayor.

1149
01:56:50,320 --> 01:56:54,660
And thank you also, Sarah, for the opportunity to work with you on this and subcommittee.

1150
01:56:54,660 --> 01:56:59,740
And I also want to thank staff for taking every business-minded focus

1151
01:56:59,740 --> 01:57:04,220
us to how to approach this topic in our community.

1152
01:57:04,860 --> 01:57:10,260
You know, San Carlos is a really remarkable city when we think about all that it has to offer.

1153
01:57:10,920 --> 01:57:13,080
It really is very much self-contained.

1154
01:57:13,340 --> 01:57:19,120
We are enjoying an economic growth that we haven't seen in quite some time with over four

1155
01:57:19,120 --> 01:57:25,260
million square feet of commercial office being built. We are, you know, we've completed our

1156
01:57:25,260 --> 01:57:31,660
e-side visioning plan that articulates the importance of the creation of affordable housing,

1157
01:57:32,080 --> 01:57:38,240
the importance of childcare, not to mention some, you know, tending to the environmental impacts

1158
01:57:38,240 --> 01:57:47,160
of these projects and addressing our climate change concerns among others. You know, we have

1159
01:57:47,160 --> 01:57:53,220
fabulous schools. We are able to attract the whole the whole demographics. I think of the community

1160
01:57:53,220 --> 01:58:05,600
have really changed over the last, you know, dozen years were so, you know, but what's left out

1161
01:58:05,600 --> 01:58:15,280
in all of that, unfortunately, is our kids. And the kids at this age are the ones that don't have

1162
01:58:15,280 --> 01:58:20,820
the ability to speak up for themselves. And as we've talked many times in council, their families

1163
01:58:20,820 --> 01:58:26,620
are busy raising them, their hands are full and the ability to come to these chambers and talk

1164
01:58:26,620 --> 01:58:31,680
about this particular issue is challenging. And, you know, just to give you, you know, some color

1165
01:58:31,680 --> 01:58:37,840
on this, I have a good friend who several years ago had her first child and planned to take the

1166
01:58:37,840 --> 01:58:43,840
minimum amount of time off of her work. She's a tech worker and, you know, makes a very good living.

1167
01:58:45,500 --> 01:58:50,340
And she planned to just do the minimum amount of time and then get back straight to work.

1168
01:58:50,820 --> 01:58:56,300
And the difficulty for her in fighting child care was so great, it prolonged her ability

1169
01:58:56,300 --> 01:58:57,920
to get back into the workforce.

1170
01:58:58,800 --> 01:59:04,840
And I believe that taking this step and one that is prudent, I believe the analysis

1171
01:59:04,840 --> 01:59:11,000
that's been provided tonight shows that the cost structure will fall within a framework

1172
01:59:11,380 --> 01:59:16,940
that won't inhibit that development that's already well underway and has been talked about

1173
01:59:16,940 --> 01:59:24,700
in many forums with respect to that development, and it will build that important step and bridge

1174
01:59:25,540 --> 01:59:32,740
for women mostly because oftentimes child care falls to the responsibility of the woman to

1175
01:59:32,740 --> 01:59:42,180
participate fully in the economy, which is very important. And so I'm appreciating the fact that

1176
01:59:42,180 --> 01:59:49,320
this could be one small step to eliminate that cost prohibitive burden of $100,000 per child.

1177
01:59:49,620 --> 01:59:53,580
So that's really the biggest barrier that's getting in our way of making sure we have adequate

1178
01:59:54,380 --> 01:59:59,860
capacity in our community. This could really help to pay that down. And I do

1179
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:29,940
I appreciate council member Dugan's concern about making sure that we allow ourselves flexibility in this ordinance. And I do appreciate Vice Mayor Racks concern as well as council members Collins that we don't price ourselves out of out of the market. All signs I'm seeing are very, very favorable for this action at this time. And I believe the wind is at our back. It's innovative. It's contemporary with what some of the other communities are doing. And I'm really hopeful that council decides to take this very

1180
02:00:29,940 --> 02:00:35,760
important step tonight. And I look forward to hearing from the rest of you as we move into comments.

1181
02:00:36,220 --> 02:00:43,320
Thank you. Thank you, Laura. I'm going to ask for a motion to close the public hearing before

1182
02:00:43,320 --> 02:00:47,340
we continue with Council discussion. Is there a motion? I'm going to close the public hearing.

1183
02:00:48,600 --> 02:00:53,960
Second. Crystal, could you please call the roll? Council Member Palmer-Lohan? Yes.

1184
02:00:59,720 --> 02:00:59,920
Vice Mayor

1185
02:00:59,920 --> 02:01:00,400
member Collins.

1186
02:01:00,960 --> 02:01:01,100
Yes.

1187
02:01:01,380 --> 02:01:02,080
And Mayor McDowell.

1188
02:01:02,260 --> 02:01:02,480
Yes.

1189
02:01:02,940 --> 02:01:03,540
Thank you, Crystal.

1190
02:01:04,300 --> 02:01:04,680
Okay.

1191
02:01:04,740 --> 02:01:06,340
We'll move on to Councilmember Dugan.

1192
02:01:07,580 --> 02:01:08,800
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

1193
02:01:09,200 --> 02:01:18,860
And thank you, Laura, to such a good explanation of how vital child care is in St.

1194
02:01:19,040 --> 02:01:21,200
Carlos and in our society in general.

1195
02:01:23,480 --> 02:01:27,540
I wouldn't, you know, just the very helpful context here.

1196
02:01:27,760 --> 02:01:33,960
And childcare has been, you know, sorely needed in town for years and years, more of it.

1197
02:01:34,140 --> 02:01:38,280
And it's been a top goal of us as a city for years and years.

1198
02:01:38,700 --> 02:01:43,660
So, and we've done some work in this area.

1199
02:01:43,940 --> 02:01:46,200
We've looked at, we've streamlined fees.

1200
02:01:46,500 --> 02:01:49,720
We've streamlined, tried to make it as easy as possible for

1201
02:01:49,720 --> 02:01:56,560
child care to come to town, but none of that really is going to directly get child care built.

1202
02:01:57,040 --> 02:02:01,420
So I'm very enthusiastic about what we're going to do this evening.

1203
02:02:01,720 --> 02:02:05,180
This is a very substantive ordinance.

1204
02:02:05,700 --> 02:02:13,480
It represents a lot of work by staff, by our subcommittee, by our consultants.

1205
02:02:13,480 --> 02:02:19,360
It's a very solid program, so I'm very excited about it, especially in the context of

1206
02:02:19,360 --> 02:02:24,740
all the development that is coming to our town and how much additional strain they'll

1207
02:02:24,740 --> 02:02:26,220
be on our child care system.

1208
02:02:26,560 --> 02:02:33,860
The timing of this is very appropriate and I'm very glad I believe we'll be moving forward

1209
02:02:33,860 --> 02:02:34,260
with this.

1210
02:02:35,260 --> 02:02:44,820
Now there's a very real potential, we're going to develop a lot of fees from this and I just

1211
02:02:44,820 --> 02:02:53,760
We just want us to really be cognizant that it's not great for us to take down a lot of fees here if we don't put that to work quickly.

1212
02:02:54,180 --> 02:03:01,060
So if in three, four, five years, we've got $20 million in the bank, we've done something wrong.

1213
02:03:01,500 --> 02:03:06,680
So I really want us to, number one, think of how can we engage and

1214
02:03:06,680 --> 02:03:11,960
encourage the direct bill option because that's how we're going to get childcare actually built in the near term.

1215
02:03:11,960 --> 02:03:16,680
So, anything we can do as we're talking to developers, et cetera, to be encouraging that.

1216
02:03:16,960 --> 02:03:18,300
I think we should do that.

1217
02:03:19,120 --> 02:03:24,260
And then secondly, how can we be really creative with the fees that we do take down?

1218
02:03:24,600 --> 02:03:31,820
I really like the opportunities of providing loans and grants to childcare operators in town.

1219
02:03:31,900 --> 02:03:41,620
I think that could be a very direct immediate way to get fees translated into childcare in town as soon as possible.

1220
02:03:41,620 --> 02:03:47,940
And I just hope we stay very open-minded and keep looking around the country on what's

1221
02:03:47,940 --> 02:03:52,520
the best way to get these fees translated into child care as soon as possible.

1222
02:03:53,720 --> 02:03:58,320
And then to that end, I am very glad we're also doing the direct billed option.

1223
02:03:58,680 --> 02:04:02,280
And I would just, to my colleagues, propose one amendment to that.

1224
02:04:02,760 --> 02:04:09,720
Because again, I just want everyone to be aware of the direct billed option and just have

1225
02:04:09,720 --> 02:04:22,160
I have every incentive to do it, and I'm just worried that saying it's only available to large developments over 50,000 square feet, I just think that might preclude some smaller developer from even thinking about it.

1226
02:04:23,280 --> 02:04:37,580
So I think we accomplished the same goal just by saying it has to be at least 5,000 square feet, so instead of saying it has to be a project greater than 50,000 square feet, it can be any size project smaller than that.

1227
02:04:37,580 --> 02:04:47,600
But as long as they've built at least 5,000 square feet of childcare, I don't think that makes any change to this program.

1228
02:04:47,600 --> 02:04:52,840
I just think it makes it very clear that even smaller developments could build meaningful childcare as well.

1229
02:04:53,440 --> 02:04:54,520
That's all I have. Thank you.

1230
02:04:55,900 --> 02:04:57,160
Thanks, John. Vice Mayor Beck.

1231
02:05:03,990 --> 02:05:04,230
Okay.

1232
02:05:05,390 --> 02:05:06,390
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

1233
02:05:06,390 --> 02:05:13,150
I just, first thanks to staff and for everyone for the great work on this.

1234
02:05:13,590 --> 02:05:20,470
I feel like this is just sort of another piece in the holistic effort of addressing the gap

1235
02:05:20,470 --> 02:05:22,310
that we face in child care slots.

1236
02:05:22,570 --> 02:05:28,370
And I'm excited to be supporting this and look forward to continue to look at this issue in

1237
02:05:28,370 --> 02:05:29,190
a holistic manner.

1238
02:05:29,190 --> 02:05:38,350
And I think that's the best way long-term for us to really meet the need and to address the gap that's there.

1239
02:05:38,570 --> 02:05:43,830
So I look forward to supporting this and look forward to see how things work out.

1240
02:05:47,920 --> 02:05:48,760
Thank you, Vice Mayor.

1241
02:05:49,580 --> 02:05:50,140
Thank you, Vice Mayor.

1242
02:05:51,280 --> 02:05:53,240
I guess I'll go ahead and share my comments.

1243
02:05:53,360 --> 02:05:54,240
I too want to thank staff.

1244
02:05:54,240 --> 02:05:57,220
This was a tremendous amount of work over the last several years.

1245
02:05:57,220 --> 02:06:06,720
And I'm so pleased that where this has been brought forward tonight, I'm supportive of this fee, I think it's very reasonable.

1246
02:06:07,900 --> 02:06:12,960
I too want to emphasize it's my top priority to have the child care built on site.

1247
02:06:13,820 --> 02:06:16,840
So I think my colleagues were raising that today as well.

1248
02:06:17,840 --> 02:06:26,160
I think that, you know, as we talk about development, and I think councilmember Palmer Lohan talked about this too is when we talk a lot about the impact of development.

1249
02:06:26,160 --> 02:06:30,460
And we talk about traffic and people going downtown

1250
02:06:30,460 --> 02:06:33,660
and another impact is certainly child care

1251
02:06:33,660 --> 02:06:37,460
because a lot of these workers will need child care.

1252
02:06:37,720 --> 02:06:39,880
And I certainly was a user of it

1253
02:06:39,880 --> 02:06:41,260
when I was a full-time working mom.

1254
02:06:41,280 --> 02:06:44,380
I had child care in the basement of my building

1255
02:06:44,380 --> 02:06:46,860
and it was so convenient to drop my infant off

1256
02:06:46,860 --> 02:06:50,000
and go to work and I could visit him at lunchtime.

1257
02:06:50,000 --> 02:06:53,900
And so I think that this is truly a great benefit

1258
02:06:53,900 --> 02:07:00,280
for employers, and I think that is being realized, and also it can be a great benefit to our community.

1259
02:07:02,960 --> 02:07:10,120
I also, I support Council Member Dugins' amendment, and I also agree that we should make sure

1260
02:07:10,120 --> 02:07:16,260
that any fees that are collected should be put to use rather quickly. I've spoken to a lot of child

1261
02:07:16,260 --> 02:07:22,300
care providers here in San Carlos, and certainly land acquisition and acquisition of property is just

1262
02:07:22,300 --> 02:07:31,040
really cost prohibitive, so I think that we will have ample opportunity to put the fees to work through loans or grants, so I agree with that too.

1263
02:07:31,360 --> 02:07:35,460
So I want to thank everyone for their work, and I will pass it over to councilmember Collins.

1264
02:07:36,680 --> 02:07:41,000
Thank you, Madam Mayor. Again, thanks to staff for great work.

1265
02:07:42,200 --> 02:07:50,040
I think it's a great step in the right direction. I do want to make sure that we have a check-in,

1266
02:07:50,660 --> 02:07:55,700
whether it's six months or a year, a periodic check-in to find out how this is impacting

1267
02:07:56,220 --> 02:08:01,720
developers. With respect to an amendment, though, I really prefer an incentive-based approach.

1268
02:08:02,100 --> 02:08:11,900
I'm not a fan of lowering the threshold so that we're imposing a greater burden on smaller

1269
02:08:11,900 --> 02:08:16,740
developments. I'm not sure that's the right way to go, so I would not support that particular amendment.

1270
02:08:20,040 --> 02:08:21,640
Thank you, thank you, Ron, Vice Mayor Beck.

1271
02:08:23,160 --> 02:08:24,360
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

1272
02:08:25,500 --> 02:08:28,500
Ed, I wanted to comment on the amendment, but also a question.

1273
02:08:29,100 --> 02:08:30,940
There's been discussion about loans and other things.

1274
02:08:31,180 --> 02:08:39,520
Can you just clarify, can the fees be used for, I thought they can't be used for operational purposes, right?

1275
02:08:39,660 --> 02:08:44,140
They can be used for infrastructure only, is that accurate?

1276
02:08:45,280 --> 02:08:54,520
Correct. So the idea behind a loan to a at home daycare provider would be if they can currently

1277
02:08:54,520 --> 02:09:01,160
serve eight children but if they were to install a new little toilet they could serve 12 or if they

1278
02:09:01,160 --> 02:09:05,340
create some more outdoor yard space they could serve additional children. If there's some

1279
02:09:05,340 --> 02:09:10,460
capital sort of construction improvement that they can make to their home, to their facility

1280
02:09:10,460 --> 02:09:15,460
that allows them to serve more children, that's the idea behind that program.

1281
02:09:15,840 --> 02:09:17,780
I understand, thank you for that clarification.

1282
02:09:19,420 --> 02:09:27,060
And I guess I would say, I don't, I would say I don't support the amendment as sort of proposed,

1283
02:09:27,360 --> 02:09:34,960
because I don't think it might make sense to have to put a minimum of 5,000 square feet around it.

1284
02:09:34,960 --> 02:09:44,800
If you're talking about a 10,000 square foot bill that may make sense to have a 1,000 foot or 1,500 square foot child care facility, but 5,000 is too prohibited.

1285
02:09:45,020 --> 02:09:48,260
So by having that minimum, I think you defeat the purpose.

1286
02:09:48,400 --> 02:09:54,500
I prefer the sort of the agreement approach that has a sliding scale to me that would be a better, better approach to do.

1287
02:09:54,580 --> 02:09:59,760
I think having a minimum is just sort of, we're not going to get anywhere.

1288
02:10:00,060 --> 02:10:02,140
I think by having a minimum versus a sliding scale.

1289
02:10:06,440 --> 02:10:07,740
Council member Collins.

1290
02:10:08,700 --> 02:10:11,640
Yeah, I just thought of something, I'll make it quick.

1291
02:10:11,720 --> 02:10:21,020
I'm wondering if maybe we could come up with a modification later, kind of work on that a little bit more, see what makes sense.

1292
02:10:22,460 --> 02:10:27,560
I'm with Adam on that, that I'm not sure it makes sense to set an absolute number.

1293
02:10:28,040 --> 02:10:33,500
I think that just requires a little bit more research and we need to talk about that a little bit more.

1294
02:10:33,500 --> 02:10:35,380
But I don't want to throw the baby out with bath water.

1295
02:10:35,580 --> 02:10:45,280
I want to get, I would like to support this and have it passed and then take that up a later point as a, you know, potential modification.

1296
02:10:48,740 --> 02:10:52,720
So Judy, you mentioned that you wouldn't look into this a little bit more. Is that correct?

1297
02:10:54,480 --> 02:10:56,340
Yes, we can look into it.

1298
02:10:57,140 --> 02:11:14,640
I guess if we go with Councilman Collins' suggestion of coming back and modifying the ordinance we can do it that way, however, if we were, I guess, as a question for Greg, if we were to modify it before the second reading, is that allowed?

1299
02:11:14,640 --> 02:11:25,500
Yeah, after the first reading, we are not able to change the text of the ordinance without reintroducing it.

1300
02:11:26,280 --> 02:11:34,520
So if we wanted to make a change tonight and let us know the change that you were through your motion to introduce,

1301
02:11:35,080 --> 02:11:43,120
we could bring back something that you had modified from the text here and then we could adopt as you modify it tonight.

1302
02:11:44,600 --> 02:12:11,240
I think this is a suggestion, I hate to venture into the area where I'm just, I'm the attorney, I'm not the policymaker, but it seems to me you might be able to accomplish the goal by removing the ratio of 10% of total square footage because as Council Member Dugan was talking about, that could be a really big space on a larger development, so it's on the other side of it.

1303
02:12:11,240 --> 02:12:37,640
that I think that percentage might cause some confusion, so if we remove that, then you're just applying the standard to a 50,000 square footer larger project, and then it still would have the mutually agreed provision in it, so it would be able to accommodate something smaller than 5,000 if that was it, or something larger than the minimum would require.

1304
02:12:37,640 --> 02:12:42,240
But that's just a suggestion if that's the direction the council wants to go.

1305
02:12:43,800 --> 02:12:56,120
I guess just to repeat our conversation earlier, the risk of removing any kind of threshold when you get child care centers that are less than 5,000 square feet.

1306
02:12:56,480 --> 02:13:02,420
Let's say 3,000 or 2,000, it's not feasible operationally is that correct Ashley.

1307
02:13:02,780 --> 02:13:07,460
So the operational feasibility and the economic feasibility starts going down.

1308
02:13:07,460 --> 02:13:15,720
So then child care operators are less likely to operate in these spaces, and it really wouldn't make sense economically.

1309
02:13:16,380 --> 02:13:17,720
You want to add anything to that?

1310
02:13:20,180 --> 02:13:29,140
Right, I think we even heard from Sarah this evening saying there are five other projects in the area, all size between six and 10,000 square feet.

1311
02:13:29,700 --> 02:13:36,880
One of the things I've learned over the years is that if you get below a certain number of children, you lose some of the operating efficiencies.

1312
02:13:36,880 --> 02:13:41,180
So, there, we're talking about development feasibility, but operational feasibility.

1313
02:13:41,760 --> 02:13:51,820
The number of staff you're hiring and all of that, you start to, you see some feasibility at scale and for a child care center that tends to be around 5,000 square feet.

1314
02:13:52,360 --> 02:13:57,540
I can't say that you couldn't have a very efficient center at 4,500 square feet.

1315
02:13:57,760 --> 02:14:04,820
I know there's no, it's not binary, but it's around 5,000 square feet that you start to serve enough children to see a really efficient operation.

1316
02:14:07,780 --> 02:14:09,540
Okay, I see some more hands raised.

1317
02:14:09,800 --> 02:14:10,540
Councilmember Deacon.

1318
02:14:13,270 --> 02:14:14,350
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

1319
02:14:14,950 --> 02:14:21,250
I just wanted to clarify, and I understand, number one, I mean, this is a bit of a minor detail.

1320
02:14:21,510 --> 02:14:28,130
I mean, you know, we're all, I'm happy we're all in strong agreement on, you know, 98% of what we're doing here.

1321
02:14:28,530 --> 02:14:35,570
I just wanted to point out that we are setting a hard limit, and the limit we're setting, no matter what we do here,

1322
02:14:35,570 --> 02:14:38,510
There is who can qualify for the direct bill option.

1323
02:14:39,170 --> 02:14:48,250
And as proposed, we're setting a hard limit that only people building at least 50,000 square feet of net new footage can qualify for direct bill.

1324
02:14:48,630 --> 02:14:53,050
So anyone building smaller than that is not eligible for direct bill.

1325
02:14:53,370 --> 02:14:59,890
So I simply made the observation that the 50,000 feet is derived.

1326
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:21,900
I have to be because that's 10 times the 5,000 square feet. So I'm just saying why don't we define it as the 5,000 square feet so that we don't preclude a 40,000 foot development that also wants to do 5,000 square feet? That's all. I just thought that was a helpful amendment, but I don't want it to interrupt the good work where otherwise you're going to do this evening.

1327
02:15:23,960 --> 02:15:24,700
Thank you, John.

1328
02:15:25,040 --> 02:15:25,700
Vice Mayor Beck.

1329
02:15:29,870 --> 02:15:31,790
I don't know if I guess I'll talk here.

1330
02:15:33,350 --> 02:15:42,250
I guess, so, John, so thank you, and I had one, I guess, one question would be how it would apply in this if

1331
02:15:43,870 --> 02:15:45,710
to Council Member Dugan's question.

1332
02:15:45,850 --> 02:15:53,390
So if you're only adding 40,000, but the overall footprint is more than 50,000, how does that get affected?

1333
02:15:53,590 --> 02:15:55,370
So the facility itself, you're not.

1334
02:15:55,370 --> 02:16:04,070
So, if the existing facility was 30,000 and now is an 80,000-foot facility, or, I say, 70, let's say.

1335
02:16:04,170 --> 02:16:08,590
So, now you're only adding 40,000, but the overall facility might be big enough to qualify

1336
02:16:08,590 --> 02:16:12,050
for a 5,000 square foot child care facility.

1337
02:16:12,870 --> 02:16:16,410
How would something like that play into that?

1338
02:16:16,470 --> 02:16:19,510
Because we've taken account the overall footprint versus the new footprint.

1339
02:16:22,840 --> 02:16:24,140
Sorry to complicate, thanks.

1340
02:16:24,140 --> 02:16:25,140
I

1341
02:16:31,610 --> 02:17:00,590
think that's where, I think the language that we've proposed from staff is to have some flexibility in the agreement, because we can't foresee every circumstance that might come up with a developer wanting to do this alternative, but those are all good points, it's kind of hard to do the math if you, if you, if you say, if you walk in 10%, and we don't have the agreement, it might, you could end up

1342
02:17:00,590 --> 02:17:07,350
But with kind of absurd result on the other end is the point I was trying to make if you have a much larger than 50,000 square foot.

1343
02:17:07,610 --> 02:17:12,970
You might have an infeasible child care requirement and you're just not going to get anything built on that end.

1344
02:17:13,570 --> 02:17:22,510
And if you have somebody who wants to build a smaller, who has a 40,000 or a smaller, but once to build it, we want to create that flexibility.

1345
02:17:23,310 --> 02:17:30,570
So that's why I was making that suggestion, but I'm not, I'm open to any kind of alternative that would be.

1346
02:17:30,570 --> 02:18:00,470
allow us some flexibility because I think the intent of this is to really create a genuine real alternative for somebody to build a data child care center, not just create something that seems like it's good, it could happen, we want to have something that they're going to do it, and I think creating the thresholds might be in the way that that paragraph is worded might be binding us a little bit too tight.

1347
02:18:00,470 --> 02:18:05,910
to these percentages and the square footage is so just food for thought for the council.

1348
02:18:07,230 --> 02:18:30,190
Just to follow on that, could we clarify, I guess, and hopefully if John is acceptable something like this, just clarify in that section that the ability to negotiate an agreement to make sure that we feel like that we're sort of strengthening that particular statement might be at least a step forward and then we can revisit at some point if we think six months down the road it makes more sense to per Ron's point.

1349
02:18:31,770 --> 02:18:44,510
Well, suggestion along those lines might be something like, and I'm looking at the last sentence of that first paragraph of 8.52.060.

1350
02:18:44,510 --> 02:18:54,490
So, mutually agreed upon by the developer in the city with the intention of

1351
02:18:57,240 --> 02:19:12,660
creating a feasible child care and feasible child care space onsite, you know, kind of parodying that to make it reasonable and feasible.

1352
02:19:13,760 --> 02:19:23,540
I'm just thinking Greg, and not to maybe can we say in there that the city encourages the development of onsite child care facilities.

1353
02:19:24,380 --> 02:19:37,520
And therefore, you know, maybe it's not sort of ordinance language, but something to sort of infer that we would, that that's sort of our preferred route in there.

1354
02:19:37,520 --> 02:19:41,000
And then leave it at that and say that our preferred route is to take this and

1355
02:19:43,300 --> 02:19:47,180
negotiate an agreement around this would be a preferred route.

1356
02:19:47,840 --> 02:19:52,860
Something so we sort of indicate a preference to facilities versus the fee would be my.

1357
02:19:53,300 --> 02:19:58,080
And then to John's point, we've got 98% agreement, I don't want to keep dwelling on this.

1358
02:20:00,460 --> 02:20:05,000
Yeah, I'm just trying to give you the ability tonight to introduce the ordinance with

1359
02:20:05,000 --> 02:20:08,060
with the language and the maybe Cedudi as a suggestion.

1360
02:20:08,200 --> 02:20:16,620
I was thinking can we add it under section one after the recitals because that's where all of the priorities are going and

1361
02:20:16,620 --> 02:20:25,300
where all of the intention behind the ordinance is going as well so we can add it there, perhaps if Greg.

1362
02:20:26,400 --> 02:20:34,300
I just think this is where we're really on a nuts and bolts thing here and I do want to create flexibility so I think we would

1363
02:20:34,300 --> 02:21:02,400
I like the idea of having an additional sentence that creates a more flexibility in the agreement that says something like notwithstanding the above, the city and the developer can deviate from these requirements to create a feasible building build out of child care.

1364
02:21:02,400 --> 02:21:08,460
And then that would create some additional flexibility, I think the council might be looking for.

1365
02:21:09,440 --> 02:21:12,360
I'd be fine with that.

1366
02:21:13,820 --> 02:21:17,480
Okay, I see Council Member Palmer, Lohan and Council Member Collins.

1367
02:21:18,060 --> 02:21:18,500
Laurie, go ahead.

1368
02:21:19,160 --> 02:21:19,680
Thank you.

1369
02:21:19,960 --> 02:21:25,860
So I think I like the idea of adding some sort of statement in the early portion of the ordinance

1370
02:21:25,860 --> 02:21:31,200
that articulates what our preference is, because we have articulated that multiple times, right?

1371
02:21:31,200 --> 02:21:36,500
that we would prefer that it get built. And it strikes me that this, we're getting

1372
02:21:36,500 --> 02:21:42,080
tripped up on this 50,000 square foot, you know, minimum 5,000 square foot facility.

1373
02:21:43,000 --> 02:21:48,680
And that to me is more or less just an example of the kind of the entry point at which one would

1374
02:21:48,680 --> 02:21:56,440
actually be able, under these current economic circumstances that were in today, build something

1375
02:21:56,440 --> 02:22:02,380
out that's feasible at the same time economic conditions change over time, right? So I think we

1376
02:22:02,380 --> 02:22:09,200
want to be careful about being so prescriptive in our ordinance that it expires, right, in terms of

1377
02:22:09,200 --> 02:22:15,500
its relevancy by the time we get one of these deals negotiated. So is it possible that this 50,000

1378
02:22:15,500 --> 02:22:22,780
square foot, 5,000 minimum could be expressed as an example of what we would like to see under,

1379
02:22:22,780 --> 02:22:37,160
You know, the current economic conditions and, and I also agree with idea of adding some statement that we will reserve the right to negotiate with developers to, you know, put a plan in place that's feasible and pencils out, right.

1380
02:22:39,460 --> 02:22:43,160
So those are my two cents thinking, listening to the conversation.

1381
02:22:44,120 --> 02:22:49,400
Through the Mayor, I think that is as a good suggestion, Council Member Parmar-Lohan.

1382
02:22:50,800 --> 02:22:57,620
We could phrase that as an example, and that might, that would also increase the flexibility

1383
02:22:57,620 --> 02:22:59,240
in dealing with this issue.

1384
02:23:01,510 --> 02:23:02,350
Councillor Neill.

1385
02:23:02,930 --> 02:23:03,310
Collin?

1386
02:23:04,890 --> 02:23:07,190
I saw such a making that it's best.

1387
02:23:13,950 --> 02:23:17,870
You've been the principal participants in the subcommittee on this, correct?

1388
02:23:18,310 --> 02:23:20,610
You guys have spent a lot of time with staff.

1389
02:23:20,830 --> 02:23:26,090
This seems to me well thought through, well thought out ordinance.

1390
02:23:27,770 --> 02:23:36,270
I'm always getting nervous when we try to remake this stuff when it comes to us in nearly final form.

1391
02:23:36,270 --> 02:23:47,010
But given that, I like, I like Laura's comment, and I'm wondering, is it possible to have us consider, I don't know, two alternatives.

1392
02:23:47,550 --> 02:23:55,630
You know, basically the same ordinance, but one more flexible, one less flexible when we decide when it comes back to us.

1393
02:23:55,930 --> 02:23:57,390
Greg, is that possible?

1394
02:23:58,450 --> 02:24:01,950
You know, with the tweet, you know, one as is, one with the tweak.

1395
02:24:02,590 --> 02:24:05,350
So that we can say, okay, we're going to go this way or that way?

1396
02:24:07,450 --> 02:24:31,930
Yeah, Councilmember Collins, I think I understand we are coming from, but we're not there, if what you're saying is, have two options in the ordinance, I think that's difficult to craft, but I think what we're trying to do is accomplish that same sentiment by creating this flexibility in dealing with circumstances of someone who proposed.

1397
02:24:31,930 --> 02:24:36,890
is the alternative, and I think we kind of meet that purpose.

1398
02:24:37,130 --> 02:24:42,870
If we create two alternatives, then I think we're just going to have two different sets of criteria that

1399
02:24:43,830 --> 02:24:48,650
we might not get the flexibility that we're trying to achieve today.

1400
02:24:48,850 --> 02:24:56,510
Well, if what you're saying is that what we're, what's being proposed already contains that flexibility, then I'm all for it.

1401
02:24:57,910 --> 02:25:03,670
I think with some additional language we'll make it clear that the council's intent is

1402
02:25:03,670 --> 02:25:09,690
to have flexibility in determining the proposed alternative.

1403
02:25:11,290 --> 02:25:14,770
Okay, so on the table right now is the Palmer-Lohan amendment, correct?

1404
02:25:16,590 --> 02:25:19,070
Okay, John, did you have a comment?

1405
02:25:19,690 --> 02:25:21,150
I did, thank you, Madam Mayor.

1406
02:25:21,350 --> 02:25:24,110
I just want to make sure I understand that, and thank you, Laura.

1407
02:25:24,110 --> 02:25:39,370
or I think that is a good idea, because we're all just, we want to see more direct build and I'm specifically reacting to this hard 500, yeah, 50,000 square foot limit.

1408
02:25:40,930 --> 02:25:51,550
And Adam, you raised a great point if someone's just adding to a facility, it could be plenty big to accommodate, but they're only adding 30,000 feet so they couldn't qualify.

1409
02:25:51,550 --> 02:25:59,190
So, I believe Laura's input is, let's get rid of all the limits, no limit on that.

1410
02:25:59,510 --> 02:26:11,070
And then it's just suggestive that, and that's fine because all of any proposed direct bill will be subject to the memorandum of understanding.

1411
02:26:11,830 --> 02:26:17,670
And so we're just now providing an example, if the city's going to agree with it, we want it to be viable health care.

1412
02:26:17,670 --> 02:26:25,830
which to us means 5,000 square feet or more, which will make sense on any significant project.

1413
02:26:26,350 --> 02:26:31,990
So I think that's the amendment that there is no 50,000 foot limit.

1414
02:26:32,230 --> 02:26:37,630
So I completely support that, and then I also support providing guidance that we consider

1415
02:26:37,630 --> 02:26:42,770
5,000 square foot and larger child care facilities the ones that we would exempt

1416
02:26:42,770 --> 02:26:45,530
under a memorandum of understanding from the fee.

1417
02:26:50,570 --> 02:26:56,650
So I would just so from my perspective, I would support what I'm going to call as it's

1418
02:26:56,650 --> 02:27:00,450
been called now, the Palmer-Lohan amendment to this.

1419
02:27:01,070 --> 02:27:07,810
And then if everyone's good with it or Laura, if you would like to, I would love to sort

1420
02:27:07,810 --> 02:27:11,570
of move this, but I'm happy if you would prefer to since it is your amendment.

1421
02:27:14,490 --> 02:27:24,750
Well, I'm, yeah, I'm, you said you would love to do it bad in my, I don't, I don't want to take that away from you and the mission on the work on this issue over with the subcommittee, so I would certainly defer to you on that.

1422
02:27:25,230 --> 02:27:26,330
Go ahead, Laura. It's your amendment.

1423
02:27:27,130 --> 02:27:31,290
Okay. All right. So let me pull up the document hang on one second.

1424
02:27:35,250 --> 02:27:35,470
All right.

1425
02:27:35,470 --> 02:27:37,430
I'm trying

1426
02:27:41,520 --> 02:27:48,380
to find the meeting action list and we are on.

1427
02:27:48,840 --> 02:27:50,240
Thank you.

1428
02:27:50,760 --> 02:27:55,000
I move to introduce ordinance number 1585.

1429
02:27:55,960 --> 02:28:07,720
An ordinance of the city council of the city of San Carlos adding chapter 8.52 to the San Carlos municipal code establishing a child care development impact fee for non residential developments in the city of San Carlos.

1430
02:28:07,720 --> 02:28:14,900
that articulates our interest in wanting to have child care built out and that the

1431
02:28:14,900 --> 02:28:22,180
exempt and that the dimensions provided for minimum size day care being built on

1432
02:28:22,180 --> 02:28:26,420
site is used as an example to inform a memorandum of understanding.

1433
02:28:29,400 --> 02:28:29,800
Second.

1434
02:28:30,680 --> 02:28:34,980
Okay, before we call the role, Crystal, did I take public hearing on the

1435
02:28:34,980 --> 02:28:35,620
Yes.

1436
02:28:36,200 --> 02:28:36,360
We did.

1437
02:28:36,500 --> 02:28:36,640
Okay.

1438
02:28:36,960 --> 02:28:37,820
It's been so long.

1439
02:28:38,580 --> 02:28:38,740
Okay.

1440
02:28:40,500 --> 02:28:42,000
Any further discussion on this item?

1441
02:28:43,140 --> 02:28:47,960
Can I get one point of clarification and I think maybe I don't know if you said the word

1442
02:28:47,960 --> 02:28:49,380
new, non-residential.

1443
02:28:49,460 --> 02:28:49,920
I missed that.

1444
02:28:50,060 --> 02:28:53,000
I just want to make sure we're new, non-residential.

1445
02:28:53,220 --> 02:28:53,460
Thank you.

1446
02:28:53,720 --> 02:28:55,020
Just make sure we're clear.

1447
02:28:55,320 --> 02:28:56,100
But thank you.

1448
02:28:56,480 --> 02:28:57,400
Sorry to put you on the spot.

1449
02:28:58,580 --> 02:28:59,420
It's got to be right.

1450
02:28:59,920 --> 02:29:00,040
Yeah.

1451
02:29:00,560 --> 02:29:00,780
Okay.

1452
02:29:01,360 --> 02:29:02,520
Crystal, could you please call the roll?

1453
02:29:04,400 --> 02:29:05,220
Councilmember Collins.

1454
02:29:06,160 --> 02:29:06,240
Yes.

1455
02:29:06,560 --> 02:29:07,580
Councilmember Lohan.

1456
02:29:08,080 --> 02:29:08,420
Yes.

1457
02:29:08,820 --> 02:29:09,420
Vice Mayor Mack.

1458
02:29:10,200 --> 02:29:10,400
Yes.

1459
02:29:10,660 --> 02:29:11,400
Councilmember Dugan.

1460
02:29:11,740 --> 02:29:11,900
Yes.

1461
02:29:12,360 --> 02:29:13,160
And Mayor McDowell.

1462
02:29:13,480 --> 02:29:13,620
Yes.

1463
02:29:16,060 --> 02:29:16,520
Okay.

1464
02:29:16,960 --> 02:29:18,220
What is the bill of the council?

1465
02:29:18,380 --> 02:29:20,680
Should we continue for our last two items?

1466
02:29:21,420 --> 02:29:21,960
You guys need a break?

1467
02:29:22,820 --> 02:29:23,240
Short break.

1468
02:29:23,840 --> 02:29:24,280
Short break.

1469
02:29:24,820 --> 02:29:25,600
Five minutes.

1470
02:29:25,820 --> 02:29:25,920
Good.

1471
02:29:26,080 --> 02:29:26,620
Five minute break.

1472
02:29:26,960 --> 02:29:27,960
Where I take our five minute break.

1473
02:29:28,380 --> 02:29:28,680
Thank you.

1474
02:29:54,530 --> 02:29:54,990
2223.

1475
02:29:54,990 --> 02:29:57,570
and we have Rebecca Mendon-Holton-Mate.

1476
02:29:58,110 --> 02:29:59,970
Good evening, Rebecca Mendon-Holton-Mate.

1477
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:05,420
Administrative Services Director. It's been a while since I've done this.

1478
02:30:13,020 --> 02:30:17,520
It's just the arrow button, right, Crystal? No, there it goes. It was on, okay.

1479
02:30:19,670 --> 02:30:25,670
So, before you tonight is the adoption of the development impact fees and the schedule.

1480
02:30:26,530 --> 02:30:36,310
Local governments often charge these fees as a condition of approval for development projects to fund public improvements, to compensate for the demands that these developments have on public infrastructure.

1481
02:30:37,130 --> 02:30:40,690
These fees are commonly known as development impact fees, and they're separate from the

1482
02:30:40,690 --> 02:30:43,930
cost of services or the user fees, which is the next item on your agenda.

1483
02:30:44,810 --> 02:30:48,810
These rates are reviewed annually, and are increased based on the indices identified

1484
02:30:48,810 --> 02:30:50,070
in the municipal code.

1485
02:30:51,690 --> 02:30:57,450
Both of these, all three of these impact fees are updated based on the construction cost index,

1486
02:30:57,870 --> 02:31:00,410
and that's based on labor rates in material costs.

1487
02:31:00,950 --> 02:31:05,310
And you can see that these costs have increased a lot this year, due to the supply chain

1488
02:31:05,310 --> 02:31:10,030
issues and increasing fuel costs associated with obtaining and delivering the materials.

1489
02:31:13,590 --> 02:31:17,170
So there are three impact fees that would be increased in accordance with the requirements

1490
02:31:17,170 --> 02:31:18,150
of the municipal code.

1491
02:31:18,550 --> 02:31:23,770
The first is the Park Facility Development fee, which would increase by 15.15%.

1492
02:31:23,770 --> 02:31:27,590
These fees are assessed per the Munich Code section 3.34.

1493
02:31:28,090 --> 02:31:31,570
This fee is accounted for in the Park and Lou fund, fund of 27.

1494
02:31:31,930 --> 02:31:36,250
And is also used for the acquisition, development, renovation, and replacement of parks and

1495
02:31:36,250 --> 02:31:41,050
recreational areas and their development including equipment for recreational purposes.

1496
02:31:42,290 --> 02:31:45,930
The second is the serial capacity charge which will increase by 8%.

1497
02:31:46,410 --> 02:31:51,910
The serial capacity charge was established under municode chapter 13.04 to recover costs

1498
02:31:51,910 --> 02:31:56,970
for the city sewer system infrastructure and assets that provide benefit to the new or expanded

1499
02:31:56,970 --> 02:31:57,590
connections.

1500
02:31:58,710 --> 02:32:02,770
And last is the traffic impact fee which would increase by 15.15%.

1501
02:32:02,770 --> 02:32:13,330
This fee was established under Munich Code Chapter 8.5 to fund transportation improvements to help accommodate new residents and businesses brought to San Carlos as a result of new development projects.

1502
02:32:13,930 --> 02:32:18,330
This fee is accounted for in the General Capital Fund or Fund 25 as a restricted account.

1503
02:32:21,660 --> 02:32:27,360
Since these are development fees, they would be subject to a 60 day noticing period and would be effective August 29th.

1504
02:32:28,040 --> 02:32:34,380
And the approximate net revenue increases to the fees or to the funds noted here are approximately $216,000.

1505
02:32:37,390 --> 02:32:40,810
So, that concludes my presentation on this item.

1506
02:32:40,950 --> 02:32:42,170
I'm happy to answer any questions.

1507
02:32:43,330 --> 02:32:44,630
Thanks, Rebecca. Any questions?

1508
02:32:49,230 --> 02:32:49,870
Councilmember Dugan?

1509
02:32:50,250 --> 02:32:52,770
I just had a quick one, Rebecca. Thank you for the overview.

1510
02:32:54,670 --> 02:32:59,170
The fee increases, you know, pretty dramatic 15% tied to the cost index.

1511
02:33:00,890 --> 02:33:06,430
I just want to verify that can work in both directions if, you know, we enter a recession and all these,

1512
02:33:06,430 --> 02:33:11,630
the supply chain issues work out, and now there's a reduction from that big spike up.

1513
02:33:11,910 --> 02:33:16,050
Would that then be reflected in our next fee review?

1514
02:33:16,710 --> 02:33:27,870
Yeah, it's a fee that we get from the engineering records, engineering news record, and so they compile the fee.

1515
02:33:28,110 --> 02:33:32,230
And so if the fees would go down or the cost would go down, I would imagine the fee would not be as high next year.

1516
02:33:32,630 --> 02:33:34,830
Okay, so it can move in both directions.

1517
02:33:34,830 --> 02:33:36,670
Okay, thank you. That's all I have.

1518
02:33:38,770 --> 02:33:43,330
Okay, I don't see any other questions, so we can go ahead to public comment.

1519
02:33:45,210 --> 02:33:47,250
Now is the time to raise your hand via Zoom.

1520
02:33:47,390 --> 02:33:48,990
If you have a public comment on this item.

1521
02:33:49,470 --> 02:33:50,650
Crystal, is anyone in the waiting room?

1522
02:33:54,670 --> 02:33:56,690
There are no hands from Zoom.

1523
02:33:57,510 --> 02:33:59,490
Madam Mayor, move to close the public hearing.

1524
02:34:00,530 --> 02:34:01,110
Is there a second?

1525
02:34:01,130 --> 02:34:01,350
Okay.

1526
02:34:02,090 --> 02:34:03,330
Crystal, could you please call the roll?

1527
02:34:06,300 --> 02:34:06,980
Councilmember Dugan?

1528
02:34:07,460 --> 02:34:07,640
Yes.

1529
02:34:08,020 --> 02:34:08,660
Councilmember Collins?

1530
02:34:09,260 --> 02:34:09,480
Yes.

1531
02:34:09,480 --> 02:34:11,400
Yes. Council Member Carmelo-Hen. Yes.

1532
02:34:11,820 --> 02:34:13,100
Vice Mayor Rack. Yes.

1533
02:34:13,620 --> 02:34:14,960
And Mayor McDowell. Yes.

1534
02:34:15,900 --> 02:34:17,720
Any further discussion from my colleagues?

1535
02:34:20,140 --> 02:34:22,560
Seeing none, I'll entertain a motion.

1536
02:34:24,080 --> 02:34:28,260
Madam Mayor, I move to adopt resolution 2022-78.

1537
02:34:29,060 --> 02:34:34,020
Resolution of the City Council of the City of St. Carlos, authorizing adjustments to the park

1538
02:34:34,020 --> 02:34:40,060
facility development fee, sewer capacity charge, and traffic impact fee for fiscal year 2022-2023.

1539
02:34:55,300 --> 02:34:58,320
Okay, thank you.

1540
02:34:58,620 --> 02:35:03,260
We will now move on to 10C, consideration of adopting a resolution, authorizing adjustments

1541
02:35:03,260 --> 02:35:07,760
to the cost of services schedule, user fees, and the approval of an additional budget

1542
02:35:07,760 --> 02:35:20,020
appropriation in the amount of $10,000 from the General Fund and the signed balance to establish a field use fee scholarship program for fiscal year 2022 to 23 and to adopt guidelines for future fee increases.

1543
02:35:22,180 --> 02:35:22,780
Go ahead, Rebecca.

1544
02:35:23,240 --> 02:35:23,760
Thank you.

1545
02:35:36,400 --> 02:35:44,440
So on May 23rd, the Council held a study session to discuss the outcomes of a comprehensive overhead allocation and fee and rate study performed by NBS.

1546
02:35:44,440 --> 02:35:51,480
The purpose of this fee study was to ensure that the city is accounting for the true cost of providing various programs and services.

1547
02:35:52,000 --> 02:35:57,260
It's the city's goal to have a well documented and defensible plan that complies with Proposition 218.

1548
02:35:57,960 --> 02:36:06,240
The distinction between a tax and a fee lies primarily in the fact that a tax is levied as part of the common burden or the benefits the public broadly.

1549
02:36:06,900 --> 02:36:11,380
And a fee is a charge for a service that has a direct benefit to that individual or business.

1550
02:36:11,380 --> 02:36:19,540
The city cannot charge more than the cost of providing services so these results serve as a baseline for establishing the costs or the fees.

1551
02:36:23,390 --> 02:36:31,910
So the city is currently recovering approximately 66% of the costs associated with providing user and regulatory fee related services.

1552
02:36:32,110 --> 02:36:40,810
Based on feedback from the council, the city re-evaluated some of the fees and reduced the recommended cost recovery from 89% to 85%.

1553
02:36:40,810 --> 02:36:46,330
For those fees that are not set at 100% cost recovery, the general fund does subsidize those costs.

1554
02:36:47,330 --> 02:36:50,730
So the next slides will discuss the changes of any from the study session.

1555
02:36:54,440 --> 02:36:58,180
So for the administrative fees, there was one change that was accidentally omitted from

1556
02:36:58,180 --> 02:37:02,260
the staff report, and this would be the electric vehicle charging fee at Wheeler Plaza.

1557
02:37:02,900 --> 02:37:07,240
This has been recommended to be a pass-through fee to offset the cost of electricity and

1558
02:37:07,240 --> 02:37:09,660
other operational or maintenance costs on our end.

1559
02:37:09,660 --> 02:37:14,920
The speed of $0.25 per kilowatt hour is similar to other agencies in the county.

1560
02:37:15,320 --> 02:37:20,400
Redwood City is 27 cents, San Mateo is also 25 cents, and Berlin game is 30 cents.

1561
02:37:21,480 --> 02:37:26,840
There were no other changes recommended, and since these fees are not subject to a 60 day noticing requirement,

1562
02:37:27,420 --> 02:37:30,020
they were become effective July 1st, 2022.

1563
02:37:34,470 --> 02:37:37,870
There were no changes recommended to the proposed police fee schedule.

1564
02:37:38,190 --> 02:37:42,570
And similar to the administrative fees, these are not subject to the 60 day noticing requirement.

1565
02:37:42,570 --> 02:37:46,690
So this fee schedule would also become effective on July 1st, 2022.

1566
02:37:50,460 --> 02:37:57,220
Fire prevention fees are separate from the fee study scope of reviews since these services are contracted from the city of Redwood City.

1567
02:37:57,780 --> 02:38:03,200
So it was done in prior years, staff recommends adopting user fees based on the Redwood City user fee schedule.

1568
02:38:03,700 --> 02:38:11,120
This would be a development fee, so it would require a 60 day noticing period, so these fees would be effective August 29th, 2022.

1569
02:38:11,120 --> 02:38:12,080
For

1570
02:38:14,920 --> 02:38:20,340
public works and engineering, there were no changes recommended to the proposed fee schedule presented in May.

1571
02:38:21,080 --> 02:38:26,780
And since these fees are also primarily related to development, they're subject to the 60-day noticing requirement.

1572
02:38:27,080 --> 02:38:29,340
So they would become effective on August 29th.

1573
02:38:33,140 --> 02:38:35,500
There's no recommended changes to the surcharges.

1574
02:38:35,680 --> 02:38:38,960
There are two surcharges as part of our fee schedule.

1575
02:38:39,200 --> 02:38:44,600
There's a general plan surcharge, which is applied to new construction and additions to existing square footage.

1576
02:38:44,600 --> 02:38:55,020
And the technology search charge, which is a fee that's intended to recover the costs of implementation and future upgrades of the city's permitting and cashiering system applications.

1577
02:38:55,740 --> 02:39:06,980
Since the primary users of these systems are the community development department and public works, these would be subject to the 60-day noticing requirement and therefore become effective on August 29th.

1578
02:39:10,860 --> 02:39:15,380
So, there was a lot of discussion in May at the study session and concerns about the large

1579
02:39:15,380 --> 02:39:20,940
increases in certain fees related to residential development and other various residential fees.

1580
02:39:21,620 --> 02:39:26,320
In response, several of the recommended fee increases related to community development have

1581
02:39:26,320 --> 02:39:29,140
been split to fully cover the costs over a two-year period.

1582
02:39:30,260 --> 02:39:35,740
Teared fees include design review, the domestic foul, historic preservation, plan checks and

1583
02:39:35,740 --> 02:39:36,880
pre-application reviews.

1584
02:39:40,780 --> 02:39:44,840
There are also certain building permits that have been tiered to reduce the large cost increase.

1585
02:39:46,040 --> 02:39:50,060
In addition to the tearing of the costs, there was some discussion about the dead tree fees.

1586
02:39:50,980 --> 02:39:54,820
An inspection is still required, but since it's charged at actual costs,

1587
02:39:54,920 --> 02:39:59,840
it's expected that the fee will be less than the time needed to inspect a healthy tree.

1588
02:40:01,140 --> 02:40:04,940
So although we're recommending the splitting of the costs over these fees over two years,

1589
02:40:04,940 --> 02:40:13,320
It's also recommended that the second year be subject to CPI, as the cost plan is based on current year costs and would also escalate in the next year.

1590
02:40:16,660 --> 02:40:23,840
So I know I realize these slides are a little hard to read, but I thought it might be helpful to illustrate how the tiering is working over the two years.

1591
02:40:24,520 --> 02:40:31,380
So you can see that the first column is what we're charging now, and the next two columns are the revised fee for the next fiscal year.

1592
02:40:31,380 --> 02:40:37,620
And the third column and fourth column after that are the proposed fee for the second year to get to full cost recovery.

1593
02:40:38,240 --> 02:40:42,360
So these are how the planning design review fees would look.

1594
02:40:49,830 --> 02:40:56,070
And these are the design review fees that require planning commission review and approval as well as the sign program.

1595
02:40:56,670 --> 02:40:58,490
And you can see that we've tiered these as well.

1596
02:41:06,140 --> 02:41:11,500
And in addition to the design review, I mentioned there were some other residential fees that we felt could also be tiered.

1597
02:41:11,500 --> 02:41:16,700
And these include the domestic foul or non-household fee, historic preservation fee,

1598
02:41:17,020 --> 02:41:19,900
the planning costs for plan check related to building permits.

1599
02:41:20,740 --> 02:41:22,920
And then the pre-application development review.

1600
02:41:29,410 --> 02:41:33,690
So on the building side, the building permits were tiered for the lower assessed projects for

1601
02:41:33,690 --> 02:41:35,530
single family residential,

1602
02:41:39,360 --> 02:41:43,560
as well as the multifamily residential side on the smaller scale.

1603
02:41:49,890 --> 02:41:53,550
So moving to parks and recreation, as we discussed at the study session,

1604
02:41:53,550 --> 02:42:00,650
the per-player field use fee was also recommended to tier over two years to recover 100% of the total

1605
02:42:00,650 --> 02:42:06,350
field costs. In addition to tiering the fee, the council requested that some funding be set aside

1606
02:42:06,350 --> 02:42:11,730
to allow for a scholarship program so that the field use fee would not be a barrier to participation.

1607
02:42:12,350 --> 02:42:17,970
As such, staff is recommended an allocation of $10,000 equally divided across the sports leagues

1608
02:42:17,970 --> 02:42:24,830
to supplement approximately 5% of each league's current registration numbers of the proposed per-player fee.

1609
02:42:25,830 --> 02:42:33,650
This information was related to the San Carlos Athletic Sites Advisory Council or ASAC at their meeting held on May 31st.

1610
02:42:36,750 --> 02:42:44,770
And it's recommended that this would be an effective date of August 29th to allow the sports teams and the leagues some time to implement it into their schedules.

1611
02:42:44,770 --> 02:42:45,870
So,

1612
02:42:50,420 --> 02:42:54,480
future fee increases were recommending that the Council adopt guidelines to adjust

1613
02:42:54,480 --> 02:43:00,860
most fees annually based on the CPI-W or CPI-West, which is the San Francisco, Oakland,

1614
02:43:00,980 --> 02:43:05,920
San Jose Bay Area, Urban Wage Erners, and clerical workers consumer price index.

1615
02:43:06,620 --> 02:43:09,060
This is the same index that we've used in prior years.

1616
02:43:10,200 --> 02:43:14,100
And the reason for this is the comprehensive user fee study is not an annual requirement,

1617
02:43:14,100 --> 02:43:19,200
and only becomes valuable over time, following significant shifts in the organization,

1618
02:43:19,660 --> 02:43:22,760
local practices, legislative values, or legal requirements.

1619
02:43:23,600 --> 02:43:27,660
And as I mentioned before, even though we're tearing the fees over two years,

1620
02:43:27,860 --> 02:43:31,920
it's still recommended that the second year would be subject to the CPI.

1621
02:43:37,230 --> 02:43:40,330
So in summary, these are the recommended changes for council action tonight.

1622
02:43:41,270 --> 02:43:46,910
One would be to adopt the administrative and police fee schedules with an effective day to July 1st, 2022.

1623
02:43:48,650 --> 02:43:57,030
Adopt the development-related fee schedules with an effective date of August 29th, 2022, allowing for that 60-day noticing period.

1624
02:43:58,150 --> 02:44:09,290
Adopt guidelines for future year increases based on the CPIW index, and appropriate $10,000 from the general fund unassigned balance for a field-use fee scholarship program.

1625
02:44:09,290 --> 02:44:13,530
So that concludes my presentation.

1626
02:44:14,170 --> 02:44:15,430
I'm available for questions.

1627
02:44:15,690 --> 02:44:18,850
Nicole Kism from MBS is available remotely.

1628
02:44:19,230 --> 02:44:21,430
We have staff here who can also answer questions.

1629
02:44:23,010 --> 02:44:23,890
Thank you, Rebecca.

1630
02:44:24,610 --> 02:44:25,450
Questions from Council?

1631
02:44:29,010 --> 02:44:30,110
Council member Dugan.

1632
02:44:30,790 --> 02:44:32,730
Thank you Madam Mayor, just another quick one.

1633
02:44:32,970 --> 02:44:36,430
This $10,000 field use fee scholarship program,

1634
02:44:36,650 --> 02:44:39,490
is that per year, is this gonna be a one time thing?

1635
02:44:43,470 --> 02:44:45,290
We can incorporate it into the annual budget.

1636
02:44:46,050 --> 02:44:46,410
Okay.

1637
02:44:46,410 --> 02:44:47,410
So it would be an ongoing?

1638
02:44:48,010 --> 02:44:51,010
Yeah, I would like to see that as an annual thing.

1639
02:44:51,370 --> 02:44:52,490
Thank you.

1640
02:44:53,170 --> 02:44:54,850
I do have a question about that.

1641
02:44:55,510 --> 02:44:57,230
And this might be a question for Amy.

1642
02:44:58,130 --> 02:44:59,970
I'm wondering what the response-

1643
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:28,020
The response was from the ASAC meeting, what the sports teams, how they received that, if they felt like that was a good amount of money, and how is that 10,000, how many different leagues is that divided between, and how is that making an impact? Sure. Amy Noobie, parks and recreation director. They understood the increase, and they were really appreciative of the idea of a scholarship program for participants that couldn't afford that big jump. As Rebecca mentioned,

1644
02:45:28,020 --> 02:45:36,060
it does the $10,000, we looked at proportionally between each lead of our most recent participation,

1645
02:45:36,320 --> 02:45:42,380
so I think it was about seven or eight leagues. There's a few like summer-based ball teams that are

1646
02:45:42,380 --> 02:45:47,800
part of that group, so it's about 5% of each league we're budgeting for for scholarships.

1647
02:45:49,440 --> 02:45:53,960
Of course, if we're seeing that that's hitting the max from the get-go, we can come back to

1648
02:45:53,960 --> 02:45:55,000
Council and ask for more money.

1649
02:45:57,840 --> 02:46:04,120
But we think that that's going to be sufficient. But of

1650
02:46:04,120 --> 02:46:09,440
course we'll come back if it's not. Thank you. Yes, please come back if it's not sufficient.

1651
02:46:09,740 --> 02:46:13,920
And then my second question is on the domestic foul increase.

1652
02:46:17,820 --> 02:46:19,040
This is going to be Andrea.

1653
02:46:21,400 --> 02:46:22,980
So I'll wait for you to come up.

1654
02:46:29,060 --> 02:46:31,500
And I know we've already discussed this and I don't want

1655
02:46:31,500 --> 02:46:41,120
to make council member Collins mad by rehashing this but I so after our last discussion I happen

1656
02:46:41,120 --> 02:46:47,820
to have a conversation with a family who does chickens for 4-H and it seems like here in San

1657
02:46:47,820 --> 02:46:53,440
Carlos a lot of well not a lot but people who have chickens in their backyard it can be associated

1658
02:46:53,440 --> 02:47:00,180
with children doing a 4-H project and so this jumped from 300 to 900 and then up to almost

1659
02:47:00,180 --> 02:47:07,100
that seems really like a big jump for a family that's just doing chickens for a 4-H project.

1660
02:47:07,760 --> 02:47:16,580
So I wanted to ask, you know, are there that many people raising backyard foul where we need to increase this?

1661
02:47:16,660 --> 02:47:20,300
Or if it's only like a dozen people, do we really need to increase this?

1662
02:47:20,320 --> 02:47:23,280
Because it seems significant and fairly burdensome on a family.

1663
02:47:24,000 --> 02:47:29,700
Sure, so Andrea Marta, such a principal planner, I need to check the animal code requirements

1664
02:47:29,700 --> 02:47:34,800
because there is a threshold for which you need a domestic foul permit, we have not processed

1665
02:47:35,500 --> 02:47:40,140
any that I can think of recently, even for for age, so it's not a common permit.

1666
02:47:40,740 --> 02:47:47,660
The last one we did, I believe, was a year ago, and it was for a very large project, so this is not

1667
02:47:47,660 --> 02:47:52,860
something we normally see. Okay, so if someone were just to have a couple chickens in a coop in their

1668
02:47:52,860 --> 02:47:57,180
backyard, they maybe would not be subject to needing this permit. Right, I mean to look at that,

1669
02:47:57,180 --> 02:48:01,280
There's a threshold for the amount in the animal code, so I'd have to see what that is.

1670
02:48:01,760 --> 02:48:06,060
We all set an inquiry for chickens at one of the schools as part of a 4-H project.

1671
02:48:06,260 --> 02:48:09,360
That did not require permit because it was through the school itself.

1672
02:48:10,460 --> 02:48:11,180
So, I

1673
02:48:13,450 --> 02:48:14,610
can look that up and come back up.

1674
02:48:15,310 --> 02:48:19,350
Okay, all right, I guess we could do that while I take public comment, thank you.

1675
02:48:20,470 --> 02:48:21,430
Any further questions?

1676
02:48:24,480 --> 02:48:26,000
Okay, I guess we'll go to public comments.

1677
02:48:26,000 --> 02:48:33,300
If you would like to make public comment on this item on fees, now is the time you may raise your hand via Zoom.

1678
02:48:34,720 --> 02:48:36,300
Is there any public comment, Crystal?

1679
02:48:36,640 --> 02:48:37,940
I don't see any hands.

1680
02:48:38,760 --> 02:48:45,520
Okay, we're going to give Andrea just a couple of minutes to look up domestic foul.

1681
02:48:51,120 --> 02:48:55,320
I would love to ask her if we close the public hearing.

1682
02:48:55,560 --> 02:48:56,120
Thank you.

1683
02:48:57,140 --> 02:48:59,400
Crystal, could you please call the roll for the public hearing?

1684
02:49:01,240 --> 02:49:02,200
Councilmember Permanohan?

1685
02:49:03,960 --> 02:49:04,440
Yes.

1686
02:49:04,940 --> 02:49:05,700
Vice Mayor Rack?

1687
02:49:06,220 --> 02:49:06,360
Yes.

1688
02:49:06,700 --> 02:49:07,460
Councilmember Dugan?

1689
02:49:07,820 --> 02:49:08,040
Yes.

1690
02:49:08,300 --> 02:49:08,980
Councilmember Collins?

1691
02:49:09,320 --> 02:49:09,480
Yes.

1692
02:49:10,040 --> 02:49:10,140
Councilmember Collins?

1693
02:49:10,140 --> 02:49:10,820
And Mayor McDowell.

1694
02:49:11,120 --> 02:49:11,220
Yes.

1695
02:49:12,720 --> 02:49:13,600
Thank you, Crystal.

1696
02:49:36,930 --> 02:49:38,050
Okay, we have an answer on the chickens.

1697
02:49:38,270 --> 02:49:39,470
Thank you for your patience.

1698
02:49:39,910 --> 02:49:41,170
So the limit is four.

1699
02:49:41,390 --> 02:49:42,250
The threshold is four.

1700
02:49:42,590 --> 02:49:43,070
Okay.

1701
02:49:43,150 --> 02:49:46,810
So do you have more than four than you are supposed to apply for a permit?

1702
02:49:47,230 --> 02:49:47,450
Okay.

1703
02:49:47,750 --> 02:49:47,950
Great.

1704
02:49:48,690 --> 02:49:50,170
I appreciate that exception.

1705
02:49:50,170 --> 02:49:51,950
then I think that will make 40 shares happy.

1706
02:49:52,250 --> 02:49:52,370
All right.

1707
02:49:52,750 --> 02:49:54,230
Any further discussion on this item?

1708
02:49:56,250 --> 02:49:57,050
Seeing none.

1709
02:49:57,690 --> 02:49:58,270
Oh, I'm sorry.

1710
02:49:59,570 --> 02:50:01,570
Vice Mayor Racken then Council Member Dugan.

1711
02:50:02,710 --> 02:50:03,710
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

1712
02:50:05,430 --> 02:50:08,890
I guess I don't have a, thank you for the clarification

1713
02:50:08,890 --> 02:50:10,210
on the new chickens.

1714
02:50:12,630 --> 02:50:16,550
Fowell, I'm just, I'm going to support this fee structure

1715
02:50:16,550 --> 02:50:19,730
and partly because we have the CPI index in there

1716
02:50:19,730 --> 02:50:49,710
because I guess I just feel like we're, I know it's a large increase but it's covering our costs and it's for development where people are generally benefiting from the development and their homes are gaining value, they're basically gaining value on the backs of the taxpayers, which I don't think is a good way to do this, but given that we're adjusting it over two years and the CPI is in there so we'll have this issue again, I'll support this reluctantly because I do

1717
02:50:49,710 --> 02:51:15,390
we think we shouldn't be costing the taxpayers money, we should be using that money for other things instead versus and so I would I would have preferred for us to do the impact fees in one year and do that because I think that's a better approach and it would allow free up money for us to do other services when people are benefiting from that from that so I may change my mind before the end of the night council

1718
02:51:18,370 --> 02:51:22,670
member do you can yeah thank you Madam Mayor and I'll just say yeah thank you Adam I think it is worth

1719
02:51:22,670 --> 02:51:32,370
with pausing here and just recognizing these are some hefty fee increases and I know they're tied directly to our actual cost as a city.

1720
02:51:32,570 --> 02:51:41,090
But we should take that as a challenge to keep looking for efficiencies and other ways not to just pass major fees on.

1721
02:51:41,730 --> 02:51:47,110
I think most residents will be surprised that the fifth check-in will cost to $1800.

1722
02:51:47,110 --> 02:52:05,930
So, but I'm glad the first four are under the radar as it were, so, and then I'll just say I agree with Sarah that definitely come back to us if the 10,000 is enough for that scholarship program.

1723
02:52:06,270 --> 02:52:14,930
Definitely want to be open-minded with that, and I definitely want that to be an annual allotment, so with that I support this.

1724
02:52:14,930 --> 02:52:15,370
Thank you.

1725
02:52:18,260 --> 02:52:23,640
Okay, I don't see any further discussion, so I will entertain, I take public comment.

1726
02:52:24,240 --> 02:52:27,560
I did, okay, it's getting late, I'll entertain a motion.

1727
02:52:36,410 --> 02:52:36,850
I'll do it.

1728
02:52:37,490 --> 02:52:38,050
Okay.

1729
02:52:38,290 --> 02:52:46,450
I moved to adopt resolution 2022-79, the City Council of the City of San Carlos authorizing

1730
02:52:46,450 --> 02:52:52,530
adjustments to the cost of services schedule, user fees, and the approval of additional budget

1731
02:52:52,530 --> 02:53:06,230
your appropriation in the amount of $10,000 from the General Fund, an assigned fund balance to establish a field use fee scholarship program for fiscal year 2022, 2023, and do adopt guidelines for future fee increases.

1732
02:53:08,480 --> 02:53:09,500
Is there a second?

1733
02:53:10,320 --> 02:53:10,620
Thank you.

1734
02:53:11,740 --> 02:53:15,260
Thank you, Crystal, could you, I'm sorry for the discussion, vice mayor?

1735
02:53:16,000 --> 02:53:24,680
I'm actually going to vote no on this because I just don't think we should be subsidizing people's development projects.

1736
02:53:26,340 --> 02:53:31,460
But I support all the other fees and the scholarship fee, but I just don't think that's the right approach.

1737
02:53:33,620 --> 02:53:35,840
Okay, noted, any further discussion?

1738
02:53:38,530 --> 02:53:39,290
Yes, Madam Mayor.

1739
02:53:39,670 --> 02:53:48,190
So, Adam, you're saying you would want it to be 100% cost for coverings or your development in planning fees because I feel like we are subsidizing.

1740
02:53:48,190 --> 02:54:00,150
And we are subsidizing development by homeowners, individuals who are directly benefiting from that development at the cost of the taxpayers.

1741
02:54:01,210 --> 02:54:04,230
I say, we do get to 100% after two years though, right?

1742
02:54:04,350 --> 02:54:08,650
But we don't in the coming year, so we are subsidizing that.

1743
02:54:08,750 --> 02:54:11,590
And I think that money can be used for other things in the community.

1744
02:54:16,290 --> 02:54:21,030
I'm in a vote in favor of this because having been through a remodel myself, I recognize

1745
02:54:21,030 --> 02:54:26,710
that you start the planning process several years in advance of construction, and I think

1746
02:54:26,710 --> 02:54:32,370
that it's a good idea to give a little breathing room to those who have budgeted and made

1747
02:54:32,370 --> 02:54:36,090
plans, so I appreciate the two-year implementation.

1748
02:54:38,030 --> 02:54:38,990
Any other discussion?

1749
02:54:40,350 --> 02:54:43,610
Seeing none, Crystal, could you please, oh, I'm sorry, Councilmember Palmer-Lohan.

1750
02:54:44,470 --> 02:54:49,290
Thank you, Mary. I just wanted to echo your comments, and I recognize, and I appreciate

1751
02:54:49,290 --> 02:54:55,310
Adam Rick, Vice Mayor, your perspective on this. From my perspective, the first time

1752
02:54:55,310 --> 02:55:04,970
this came before us, I was a little taken aback about just the increases and how steep they

1753
02:55:04,970 --> 02:55:10,030
were just in general. And I recall it in the last meeting, I asked if there was some way

1754
02:55:10,030 --> 02:55:12,270
that we could smooth them out over time.

1755
02:55:13,370 --> 02:55:18,190
In light of the fact that we're facing incredible inflationary pressures right now with gas,

1756
02:55:18,430 --> 02:55:22,650
for example, being almost $7 a gallon, groceries have gone up quite a bit.

1757
02:55:22,910 --> 02:55:29,130
And I appreciate Mayor's comments with respect to home remodels.

1758
02:55:29,690 --> 02:55:32,710
I don't have the stomach for that type of work right now.

1759
02:55:33,250 --> 02:55:38,210
So I haven't gone through it before, but I imagine myself, you know, at some point in the future,

1760
02:55:38,210 --> 02:55:45,890
maybe doing that type of work and seeing the jump in those fees was definitely concerning to me.

1761
02:55:46,090 --> 02:55:51,270
So I do appreciate stuff kind of rounding it out. And I would just suggest that as we move forward,

1762
02:55:51,990 --> 02:55:58,790
let's not let that step be so steep in the future. Let's try to stay ahead and on top of this.

1763
02:55:58,970 --> 02:56:03,950
So to your point, Vice Mayor Rock, we can make sure that we have adequate resources for other programs.

1764
02:56:03,950 --> 02:56:06,150
So I think it's

1765
02:56:08,650 --> 02:56:13,890
okay. Thank you Laura. I see no further hands raised. So could you please call the roll?

1766
02:56:14,790 --> 02:56:21,470
Councilmember Collins. Yes. That's a member of our low hand. Yes. Vice Mayor Mack. No.

1767
02:56:21,990 --> 02:56:25,030
I'll remember do you again? Yes. And Mayor McDowell. Yes.

1768
02:56:26,970 --> 02:56:30,290
Okay. Thank you everyone. We'll move on to agenda setting.

1769
02:56:30,870 --> 02:56:35,470
items discussed in this agenda-setting section will be considered by the council for placing

1770
02:56:35,470 --> 02:56:40,630
on a future agenda. No action will be taken. Item A is consideration

1771
02:56:40,630 --> 02:56:45,090
of agendizing an item to consider calling on setter health to reopen the MAC E. Michaelson

1772
02:56:45,090 --> 02:56:50,910
Arthritis Rehabilitation Centre therapy pool in San Mateo. I put this on the agenda through

1773
02:56:50,910 --> 02:56:57,070
Jeff. And this was in response to an email that I believe we all received about a week

1774
02:56:57,070 --> 02:57:11,570
We could go but noted that several cities had passed resolutions in support of this measure including the county and I would be open to bringing back something along those lines on consent.

1775
02:57:13,430 --> 02:57:17,130
And if you want me to explain further, I'm happy to, but I think we all got that email.

1776
02:57:17,910 --> 02:57:18,950
I'm fine with that.

1777
02:57:22,950 --> 02:57:25,050
Okay. Sounds like we have agreement.

1778
02:57:25,050 --> 02:57:28,990
Thank you. Any other agenda setting items for this evening?

1779
02:57:31,920 --> 02:57:35,740
Okay, I will note for the public that Council will be on recess for the month of July.

1780
02:57:38,440 --> 02:57:40,760
And this meeting is adjourned. Thank you.

1781
02:57:41,400 --> 02:57:42,060
Thank you.