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Good afternoon, everyone. I will now call to order the regular meeting of the Board of Court Commissioners on November 14, 2023 at 1 p.m. District Clerk, could you please call the roll?

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Thank you. Please respond when I call your name, Castianos.

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Malcolm.

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A-more.

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Sorry, here. Thank you, D-more.

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Here.

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Naronho.

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President.

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Hertz Hassan.

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Here.

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Commissioners, you've cut as you used on port business and we have no request for a remote participation.

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Okay, Commissioner Anne, more could you please lead us in the pledge of allegiance?

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Okay.

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Thank God, here.

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I see.

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Ready?

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Begin.

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I'd like to lead us to the flag of the United States of America.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank

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you, Commissioner Moore.

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General Counsel, could you please read us out of the closed session?

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Thank you, Chair Castiano.

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During the closed session, the board considered the items in the closed session agenda and

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technical reportable action.

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That concludes my report.

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Thank you, District Clerk.

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Do we have any non-agenda public comment?

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We do.

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Speakers will have two minutes to address the board with a maximum of five minutes

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Those that are commenting in person today, please note that the want to turn front of the podium will display the time you have remaining.

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When the green timer changes to yellow, please wrap up your comments when the light turns red, your time has expired.

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And we have William J. Dorsett.

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would like to apologize for my comment last time I was here about y'all saying you were above the law

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I've misquoted what was said in the papers and in the grand jury report and I would like to apologize for that

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It was complete mistake. I've ran across my wires a little bit and I got a little nervous because I was called up like immediately and I

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Wasn't ready and so that's what happened there

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The actual thing I believe was said that if something were along long, you guys could do whatever you wanted to do.

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And so I can see how my brain crossed that.

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But again, I am sorry for misquoted.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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That concludes non-agenda public comment.

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We don't have any board committee reports, we'll then move on to commissioner reports starting

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with me reporting out on the California State Lands Commission, which had its meeting

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here on October 19.

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I had the regular public meeting in this very room.

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The State Lands Commission is one of our best partners, many of the really great things that we've done over the years has been with the partnership of the State Lands Commission, including our marine spatial planning tool that we developed.

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Now that we have jurisdiction of the entire Bay Bottom or the donut hole, as it's referred to, they have been key with respect to our initiatives there.

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all of the environmental projects that we do and making sure that it's a public trust compliant,

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they've been a great partner. We had an opportunity to provide some welcoming remarks about

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the things we're doing here at the port, our electrification efforts are economic role in the region

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and in the state, and thanking them for everything they do for us, including the trust land's use plan,

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which is respect to the additional jurisdiction that we're acquiring pursuant to Senate Bill 507.

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The Commission acknowledged our submittal of the draft trust lands use plan.

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During executive director, Kasey's report, she invited Imperial Beach Mayor Aguirre, as well as Jason Giffin, to speak about the Tejwana River Transboundary Water Pollution Issues at the border that are seriously impacting water quality and public health in Imperial Beach.

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The commission chair, Lieutenant Governor Kunalakis, underscored the severity of the pollution, and its impact on the region, especially Imperial Beach and our Southfake communities, by stating that

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There is no greater environmental crisis in the state of California right now than this particular issue.

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We emphasize the importance of our partnerships to continue to address the complex public lands and environmental issues together.

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And it was a real honor to have the opportunity to host their meeting, and I look forward to seeing them down here again soon.

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We will now move on to Commissioner Naranho reporting out on the AAPA Annual Convention and Expo.

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I had the honor of representing the Port of San Diego that 112 annual conference and

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expel of the American Association of Port Authorities held October 22nd through October 25th

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in or Colorado. The annual gathering is built as the premier event for the C4 industry,

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it brings together port professionals, terminal operators, service providers and supply chain partners

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to share innovation, trends, challenges and workable solutions and the ever-changing industry

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of worldwide goods movement.

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The conference dealt with a wide array of topics,

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everything from best methods for applying for federal grants,

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to the goals for offshore wind energy development,

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to port cybersecurity, to crisis communication,

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to tracking the carbon footprint of the goods movement.

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was about how to best electrify terminal operations,

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it's about to say that a poor is an industry leader

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in electrification space through our maritime clean air strategy.

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A man discussed clean air strategies and other maritime

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industry topics with our representatives

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in the ports from U.S. Canada, Caribbean, and Latin America.

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In addition to the exchange of information ideas and all the plus, the conference was held

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at the Gaylord Rockies Resort and Commence Center about 30 minutes outside of Denver.

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It gave me a renewed appreciation for what we're about to see at the Chilvestov Bayfront

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and that concludes my report.

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Thank you, Commissioner Nadon, please also report out on the maritime community tour with

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Yes, on October 30th, commissioners to Kett and I joined

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Portsap in a meeting between our anchored tenant,

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Dull Fresh Fruit, and the Environmental Health Coalition.

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Dull provided an overview of their business operations and gave an

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impressive overview of the environment initiatives.

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They have implemented.

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Noting that Dull was the first to implement operational

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electric cargo handling equipment on the west coast.

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They're 100% sure power plug in rate, and their sustainability efforts

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not just in San Diego, but internationally.

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The EHC provided in-depth presentation, noting the environmental impacts of industrial activities

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around our surrounding neighborhoods, the large disparities in air quality by neighborhoods,

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and how important it is to work together to make a positive impact on neighborhoods like

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Barri Logan.

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jointly, we collaborate and brainstorm on a path to help truckers convert their diesel vehicles

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to zero-mission trucks, and while there are obstacles, these types of open dialogues

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will help us overcome those obstacles in order to achieve our MCAS goals.

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It was a great meeting after which we went on to a terminal tour of Tampa Avenue and had an opportunity to climb up onto our brand new all-electric mobile harbour cranes

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It was truly a great collaborative and effort and we look forward to more meetings like this in the future and thank you to

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Port staff Dean Barman of Health Coalition in Dull for making that meeting possible and

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I actually have one more report. It's not this year. Sure. Yeah

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So I wanted to report out on Friday out October 13

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It was joined by my mayor, vice mayor, port staff, and we spoke at the Coastal Commission

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hearing, and we spoke under non-agenda comment and really to tell Coastal Commission

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really the story about the National City Bounce Plan.

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We anticipate, where we hope crossing our fingers at the National City Bounce Plan would be

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docked at the February 24th meeting, which would be hosted here in San Diego, but it was

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really important for Coastal Commission to see holistically the history of the making of the

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balance plan, how we got there and what it means for a community like National City that's an

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environmental justice community, a low income community, a community of color to have access to our

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waterfront and to really balance all needs. And so it was really great to share a story. I know there's

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much appreciation from coastal commissioners in the chair and so we just look forward to that and

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working on that. That concludes my report. Thank you. Commissioner Malcom, I think you also had a few

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words about that coastal commission meeting. Yeah, thank you. And you, your comments actually sparked it.

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I don't have any prepared comments, but my was at the October 11th Coastal Commission meeting.

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They had what turned into about a seven-hour meeting on the Trans-Foundary Flow.

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If you want to river, a lot of community members were there, a lot of public officials were there.

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Lieutenant Governor Kunalakis was also there as was a Coastal Commission.

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I was there representing the port and made some comments.

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And I think just the high points are the acknowledgement that this is the most...

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Polluted Watershed in the United States. In the last decade, over a hundred billion gallons of

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raw sewage, just flowed from Tijuana down into the Pacific Ocean, impacting communities

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both Imperial Beach, Silver Strand Beach, and also Coronado. And when you talk about environmental

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equity, which we do a lot here in this chamber, I don't think there's any greater example of

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environmental inequity that is what has gone on continuously chronically for the last 20 or more years.

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My comment specifically dealt with, we had IBWC, which is an international boundary water commission

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that controls the international treatment plant and they disclose that they have over a hundred million dollars of deferred maintenance on the plant.

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And the plant is not operating at full capacity right now.

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They've got plants to put $18 million in in the next couple of years, but that doesn't begin to solve the problem just existing with the current plant, let alone building new capacity.

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So, which we do have a plan for as well. So, we were prevailing on the Lieutenant Governor and the Coastal Commission to help us understand that there really is a stay of an emergency.

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We've asked a governor to take a look at that, we're asking the Biden administration to take a look at that.

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I will say, and I want to give a lot of credit to Rafael Castanos and his team going to Washington, D.C.,

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that made a White House trip that actually got President Biden and his team to put,

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I've moved $310 million into the budget for a solution.

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In addition to the $300 million that's already in the USMCA treaty.

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So I want to thank you, Rafael, you and your team are obviously very, very persuasive in that meeting and made a good case, so thank you.

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But this is something the port is about water quality and we are not going to take our foot off the accelerator until we find a solution for this.

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Thank you.

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Thank you Commissioner Malcolm.

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And I'll just say with respect to that trip to DC,

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It was a team effort, there were members of the governor's office who were with us on that trip.

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Our entire congressional delegation was pushing hard for that money and there were many others.

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So everybody with poor staff, Job and Jason and David Yao and Ert Washington DC lobbyist.

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Everybody was working really hard together to communicate that message to help bring that money into the supplemental appropriation.

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Commissioner Daniel Moore, if you could please report out on the IAPH World

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Ports Conference.

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Thank you, Chairman.

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This afternoon, I am reporting now on the International Association of Ports and

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Harbors Conference held from October 31st to November 2nd, and Albu Dhabi, an island

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in the Persian Gulf that is the capital of the United Arab Emirates.

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The organization was founded in 1955, and it's a global alliance of 169 port authorities,

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and 134 port-related businesses.

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It has a diverse membership of 87 nationalities

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across the continents.

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It's member-ports handle one third of all ocean going trade

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and 60% of the world's container traffic.

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Reducing the mayor times, industries,

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reliance on fossil fuels, navigating the currents

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and future impacts of climate change,

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embracing poor innovations and the growing threat

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of cybercrime disruptions,

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among the broad themes of the conference.

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Panels and discussion sessions included the impact of zero carbon fuels on global trading routes

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and cargo flow, the role of ports as clean energy marine hubs,

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carbon capture and storage at ports, the resurgence of the cruise ship industry,

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decognizing terminals, response and recovery from natural disasters,

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cyber threats, supports, and the new reality for breakbook ports,

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a session with particular importance to the Port of San Diego.

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As a breakbook port, we specialize in cargo,

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some of the large-scale and size, like wind energy parts,

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that do not fit in box-car size containers.

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Speakers at the breakbook session

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were bullish on the future of ports like ours.

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A global push to improve energy security,

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the long-term shift towards decarbonization,

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and a volatile geopolitical environment,

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are driving up breakbook cargo demand.

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The bottom line message is that ports like the port of San Diego needs to electrify as we are doing to prepare and increase cargo volume in the years ahead.

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One of the sessions that released it out to me was one in which the speaker talked about how the future is here.

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And she provided the example of Amsterdam's or Rotterdam's port and that it has a terminal that's entirely electric.

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And it also pointed to a port in Asia that has is all hydrogen and she said

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The future is here, but it's not equally distributed. And so here, at the port of San Diego, we

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were so excited about continuing to further the future. And some of the amazing things that we

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have to brag about in terms of our electrification of our port. And being one of the examples to

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the rest of the world that we are the future. And the things that we have used the precedent,

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the ability to electrify a poor is a model for the rest of the world.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Commissioner Moore.

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I'll go next with the report out on our participation in the World Trade

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Centers trade mission to South Korea earlier this month.

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I went with Commissioners Malcolm and are Tassen as well as Job Nelson and

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of San Diego, Todd Gloria, and Chairwoman,

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or the Artist of the County Board of Supervisors.

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Last year, we went to Rotterdam.

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We went to the Porter Rotterdam in the Netherlands

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and we saw, if you recall, that fully electric cargo terminal.

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This trip was just as productive and impactful.

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This trade mission every year is an opportunity

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for San Diego businesses of all sizes to help foster more foreign trade.

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more foreign investment. For myself as a poor commissioner, meeting with our various, many of our

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maritime customers, commissioner Malakum is going to say a few words about that in just a second.

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It really gives you an appreciation about the importance of the seaports in the world.

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When people think of the port of San Diego, they frequently think of the hospitality port,

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the hotels, the restaurants, the retail.

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But we're a working seaport.

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And all of us, the clothes we're wearing,

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the items we consume, pens, you name it.

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It's so easy to not even think about how it got to that store.

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And when you go and you see these maritime operations,

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and you meet with the cargo brokers,

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and the receivers and advanced agents,

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It's a multiple dimensional Rubik's Cube to get all of these things that we use in our lives to the store where we buy them and just take it all for granted.

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How complicated it is to get everything worth supposed to be.

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And so to every member of the maritime group, thank you for all of your work.

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We were able to tell a really wonderful story about all of our electrification efforts.

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The first fully electric supermax mobile hardware cranes in all in North America are

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sure power, our electrification of cargo handling, equipment, our electric truck goals.

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It is really inspiring to know that we are playing such a key role in the acceleration of

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the transition to a clean energy future.

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And so to all of the members of the board staff,

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it's great work, and we're proud of you.

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So thank you.

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Commissioner Malcolm, would you like to say a few words?

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Yeah, that was so inspiring that I'm going to have

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to go off the print of cheat and just talk about,

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the importance of maritime, which all of us

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up here understand to the Port of San Diego.

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It accounts for billions of dollars of economic benefit

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to the region every year.

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thousands of well-paying jobs, the goods that come in is Commissioner Castanos was talking

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about, but it's a really important part, it's why the port exists in the first place.

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Back on the days of COVID, it's what we counted on in terms of our regular income, when

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our real estate income was going down, it really is an important part of the financial fabric

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of the region, and so when you talk about going on a trade trip like this and I have had

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people come up to me and say, oh, you're so lucky, you get to go to South Korea, and you

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go on this junk at or whatever. Let me tell you, it's anything, but it's a lot of hard work.

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And I want to thank Joel Vanceway, Le Greg Borsie, and Joe Nelson for being so prepared and

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preparing us to go in there and talk to existing customers, potential customers,

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about bringing more maritime business to San Diego to promote the region, to promote

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maritime to promote the jobs and it was really exciting in a couple of meetings one in particular

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where we met with a company that is just going to start importing lithium batteries in

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the San Diego for the entire California region to now start adding battery storage to existing

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solar farms, existing wind farms, to actually store the electrons that are created by these renewable

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and this company said, hey, if everything goes well and based on your numbers and what you're

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telling us, it could be up to 50 ships a year.

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I believe is what they said. And that is very, very significant for the Port of San Diego. But in order to get business like that, you've actually got to go, you've got to have your facts and figures and you've got to make the case.

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So I want to thank staff. I want to thank my fellow commissioners for being there. And I thought it was really a very productive trip.

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Thank you, commissioner. Commissioner Tesson. You have any comments about the.

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7am to 9.30 pm every day. It was a lot of work, but it was well worth it, and as Commissioner

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Malcolm indicated, one of the last meetings that we had was when we met with that shipping company

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that talked about that they had selected San Diego to import the lithium batteries and that they're

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going to give us a try, right? And we're going to have to work real hard at it, Michael Flore.

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To make sure that things go smoothly as I know that they will, and 50 ships a year, that's a

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significant thing, but it was great to be in Seoul, Korea.

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I tell people that country is on steroids.

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They are real, I mean, we obviously

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would not have saw some real interesting presentations

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with companies like Samsung

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that we recognize as being an electronics company,

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but we woe there and you meet with them

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and they talk about this whole new CDMA technology

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where they're determined and manufacturing for a lot of these,

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major companies like Eli Lilly and Moderna and Pfizer and what

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have you, and in a matter of 12 years now employ thousands of

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employees and have very impressive campuses super impressive.

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Then we got to see their port, obviously, where they built on

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reclaimed land from from Dredge, I mean, just incredible to

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see all that, but and very impressed just with the energy that

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country as, the discipline they have to charge forward in their entrepreneurial ways.

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So, I'm glad to be a part of it.

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But a lot of work.

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I can attest to that.

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It's an incredible country I've never been to Asia before.

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Clean, not a piece of litter anywhere, Commissioner Thomson was constantly saying, I love South

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Korea.

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I'm going to start a trashcan company too, because you should not find a trashcan anywhere.

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We were all walking around with our trash, but it was a wonderful experience.

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Okay, with that, any other commissioner would like to report out on anything.

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Okay, thank you.

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We will now move on to our special recognitions.

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If staff could please present.

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Okay, Ella?

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Good afternoon.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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We will now move on to our special recognitions.

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Native American heritage month is celebrating annually throughout the month of November.

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This year's theme is celebrating tribal sovereignty and identity.

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Tribal sovereignty ensures that any decisions about tribes as the guard to their property and citizens are made with their participation and consent.

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It is time to celebrate the traditions, languages, and stories of Native American, Alaska Native, Native Hawaiian, and affiliated island communities.

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and ensure that their rich histories and contributions continue to thrive each passing generation.

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This November and every month, we celebrate the culture and heritage of these remarkable Americans,

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who deeply enrich the quality and character of our nation.

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In celebration of Native American Heritage Month, staff will have the opportunity to listen to presenters

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from the Native American community on November 17th.

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Speakers will include the University of San Diego's Tribal Liaison and the Founder and Alumni

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Native Like Water.

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Next slide please.

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In addition to Native American Heritage Month, we also acknowledge and celebrate dear

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the less Methos, to Wally and Veterans Day.

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Dear the less Methos is a Mexican holiday where families welcome back the souls of their

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deceased relatives for a brief reunion that includes food, drink and celebration.

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According to tradition, the gates of heaven are opened at midnight on October 31st and the

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spirits of children can rejoin their families for 24 hours. The spirits of adults can do

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the same on November 2nd. The valley is one of the major religious festivals in Hinduism,

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genism, and Sikhism. Lasting for five days from the 13th day of the dark half of the lunar

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Ashviya, excuse me, to the second day of the light half of the

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Lunar Moon, Cartique. The festival generally symbolizes the victory of light over darkness.

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Finally, on November 11th, we observe Veterans Day, which began as Armistice Day in 1918,

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marking the end of World War I. In 1954, Congress amended the name of the holiday to Veterans Day,

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in recognition and honor of a...

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American veterans of all wars. I will now turn over the presentations to Serena Bestra. Thank you.

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Good afternoon. I'm Serena Buster with the Planning Department. We are very excited to introduce a new member of the

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civic well and is dedicated to building capacity of local public agencies to address community issues,

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including climate change, water resource management, housing and mobility.

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In addition to working on projects with their host agencies,

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civic spark fellows also dedicate hours towards leadership training,

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development, and volunteer engagement within their regions.

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Melissa graduated from STSU in 2020 with a degree in biology and a minor in cultural

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competency. Since graduation, she has worked as an environmental educator, field technician,

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education and outreach coordinator, and most recently served with the New Jersey Watershed

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Ambassador Program. We would like to extend a very warm welcome to Melissa, who's behind me.

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Thank you. This concludes special recognition. Thank you very much.

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Can you please give us the President's report, Randa?

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Yes, sir.

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Happy to.

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First slide.

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Okay. On October 12th, the Harbor Police Department renewed their memorandum of understanding

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with the U.S. Department of State in support of their mission to provide professional law enforcement

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training all across the globe.

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Harbor police have previously deployed on several training missions in support of this program.

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The support has included Harbor Police vessel instructors advising the Jamaican police on maritime operations and HPD divers training the Philippine police and Coast Guard on underwater investigations.

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During a special ceremony at the Harbor Police headquarters, Chief Magda Fernandez and Assistant Secretary of State Todd Robinson signed the agreement continuing the partnership between the two agencies.

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Assistant Secretary of State Robinson later presented Harbor Police with a certificate of appreciation for their long-standing support.

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Next slide, please.

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Thank you to the World Women Foundation for the opportunity to participate in their sustainability conference at UC San Diego Park and Market on October 26.

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The conference brought together visionary leaders, activists, entrepreneurs, academia, artists, and policy makers from around the county.

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Country, it's a lot bigger. Sorry.

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The purpose of the first annual conference was to address the impact of climate change, uplift the role of women and girls, and to forge gender harmony for a sustainable future that is a bold, transformative path forward.

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Our own Paulus Sylvia and Renee Yarmee were panelists in two of the sessions.

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One of the sessions was leading the era of equality and equal future, and the other was

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called transitioning from ambition to action for a sustainable future.

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Paula and Renee had an opportunity to share their perspectives and experiences in their

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own fields of blue economy and electrification of maritime.

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It was inspiring to see such a diverse and engaged group come together to discuss and address crucial issues in sustainability and equality.

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Thank you, Paula and Renee.

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Next slide.

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It's a very exciting announcement.

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The Department of Transportation announced port infrastructure development program or PIDP awards on November 3rd.

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And the great news is that the port was included in the list of awardees.

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The port will receive $11.25 million for the National City Marine Terminal Birth

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Rehabilitation and Electrification Project.

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Port staffs partnered with our tenant Pisa Automotive on this application.

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The project will repair two birds, fund shore power installation and lighting

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upgrades and deploy technology to improve operational efficiencies at the terminal.

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We're very grateful to the Department of Transportation and to the patient team for their

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collaboration and partnership. This grant award is the fifth since 2021 for projects

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on and around the terminal, bringing the total dollars committed to national city projects to

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to 76 million in a next step.

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Port staff will work with staff from the Maritime Administration to final.

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Vice the PIDP grant agreement. The grant agreement will come to the board for acceptance sometime next year. This concludes my report. Thank you.

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Thank you, Randa. Any disparate clerk announcements?

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Yes, thank you.

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As a reminder, anyone having difficulty providing public comment,

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remotely, please call the Ports mainline at 619-686-62004 assistance.

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Speakers will have two minutes to address the board today.

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Gender related items were received by the board for item E non-agenda public comment.

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Item number eight, file 2023-0260 resolution establishing board meetings for

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2024 to adjust the recommendation to have the January meeting date to Thursday, January 18th.

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Also item number 12, file 2023-0265, motorized mobility devices and petty cabs.

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And item number 15, file 2023-02700, resolution electing chairperson, vice chairperson,

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and Secretary of the Board of Court Commissioners for 2024.

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Staff recommends that the Board consider the following items

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to be continued to a future board meeting.

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Number one, file 2023-0282 resolution authorizing

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the sole source agreement, equipment purchase agreement

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and consults an agreement with Watson Marine.

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And file 17, file number 2023-0276

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engineering instruction resources.

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Okay, thank you.

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We'll not take the consent agenda.

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Oh, could we get a motion on the docket changes?

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Oh, I'm sorry.

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Yes.

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Could we please get a motion on the docket changes?

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We have a first by Commission on Hon.

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Second by Commissioner Malk and please vote.

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Motion passes unanimously with commissioners who had excused.

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Thank you.

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And now we will move to the consent agenda.

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We will take item eight separately because it's been adjusted with respect to the recommended

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January meeting date for 2024.

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Would any commissioners like to pull any other items from the consent agenda?

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No, Mr. Chairman, but I'd like to recuse from item number four.

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I own separate stock and so I've been recommended I recuse myself from that.

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So, we're going to take item eight first, but before we do so, is there any public comment on items?

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The consent agenda except for item eight?

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No, we do not.

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Okay, thank you.

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So, can I get a motion and a second on item eight on the consent agenda?

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Motion by Commissioner Daniel, more second by Commissioner Nauton.

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Please vote.

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Thank you.

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Motion passes unanimously.

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Cursures.

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Okay.

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Okay, Commissioner and Tassel would you like some now recuse yourself. I will recuse myself. I might have it before. Okay, I'm going to leave the dius. Oh, oops

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And that was that a mate. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. Yes

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Please, we're going to do the rest of the the balance.

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Do we have any public comment on the rest of the consent items? No. No,

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okay

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Right my bad item for this is just item for sorry

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Okay. Motion on item 4. Please vote.

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Motion passed unanimously with commissioner or task

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and recused and commissioners who cut excused. Okay.

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Commissioner or task and can now.

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Come back.

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Okay. Can I get a motion on the balance of the consent items in a second?

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So move please vote. Motion passed unanimously with commissioners who cut excused.

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Okay. We will now move onto the public hearing agenda.

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item 11, bending and expressive activity. Could we please have the staff report?

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Good afternoon, Chairman Kaseyonos, commissioners, acting CEO, Kniglio, and General Counsel Russell. I'm

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Larry Hofreiter, Director of Parks and Recreation, and I'm here today to present the district's

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vending and expressive activity ordinance, also known as poor code section 805. Last month, the staff

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reported that the February 2023 updates, the poor code section 805, was generally successful

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because it achieved the program's objectives.

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Namely, it increased economic development opportunities and reduced the adverse impacts

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associated with unpermated vending.

451
00:36:04,340 --> 00:36:10,560
Last month, staff recommended reducing the overall number of spaces from 77 spaces to 67

452
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:14,700
based on findings from a field survey and an email survey.

453
00:36:14,700 --> 00:36:20,160
This included adding more spaces on the wooden deck near the midway and reducing the number

454
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,260
of spaces behind C4 Village.

455
00:36:23,660 --> 00:36:27,840
Following public testimony, Elasmance meeting, the board directed staff to increase the

456
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:32,540
vending permit cycle from six months to one year and to reduce the amount of time vending

457
00:36:32,540 --> 00:36:36,380
equipment can be left unattended from three hours to two hours.

458
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,800
These changes are included in the proposed amendments before you today.

459
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:50,740
At last once meeting, the Board also directed staff to develop a way of increasing the overall use in occupancy of the district's commercial vending spaces.

460
00:36:51,480 --> 00:37:07,080
In response, staff is recommending that port code section 805 be amended to authorize staff to revoke and or suspend a commercial vending permit for failing to meet the minimum use in occupancy standards that would be conditions of the permit.

461
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:21,840
For the next permit cycle, scheduled to begin the first week in January 2024, staff recommends requiring all commercial vendors to spend a minimum of 5 hours a day and at least 16 days a month.

462
00:37:22,540 --> 00:37:29,740
Commercial vendors would be required to check in and check out of their commercial vending space using their mobile phone on days that they've been.

463
00:37:29,740 --> 00:37:35,040
If a commercial fails to meet, if a commercial vendor fails to meet these minimum use in

464
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:39,820
occupancy standards, staff would provide them a written warning the first week of the

465
00:37:39,820 --> 00:37:40,540
following month.

466
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:45,400
If they fail to meet the minimum standards a second time in any other month during the

467
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:51,280
permit cycle, staff would be authorized to suspend or evoke their permit and assign the space

468
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:51,960
to an alternate.

469
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:58,500
Staff would work closely with any commercial vendor who didn't meet the minimum use in

470
00:37:58,500 --> 00:38:03,300
see if there were any unique or compelling circumstances affecting their ability to operate

471
00:38:03,300 --> 00:38:05,240
such as illness or vacation.

472
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:11,220
Based on those discussions and on a case-by-case basis, staff would decide to issue another

473
00:38:11,220 --> 00:38:15,740
warning or temporarily suspend their permit or revoke their permit.

474
00:38:16,500 --> 00:38:17,420
Next slide, please.

475
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:20,580
Thank you for your time today.

476
00:38:20,900 --> 00:38:22,260
That concludes staff's presentation.

477
00:38:25,540 --> 00:38:26,420
Thank you.

478
00:38:26,420 --> 00:38:29,120
I will now open the public hearing.

479
00:38:31,660 --> 00:38:33,520
Do we have any public comment?

480
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:34,360
We do.

481
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,700
We have Christiana Lopez.

482
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:38,900
Oh, sorry.

483
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:43,020
Christiana Lopez followed by Christine Pocencin.

484
00:38:44,540 --> 00:38:44,940
Pocencin.

485
00:38:45,380 --> 00:38:45,520
Sorry.

486
00:38:46,300 --> 00:38:47,240
Thank you.

487
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,860
I'm a petty cab, but I sit also with the vendors as well.

488
00:38:58,820 --> 00:39:01,780
And I see them working just as hard as I do.

489
00:39:01,780 --> 00:39:14,980
And they have as much right to people who set up when they want and, you know, I feel like the others you have to pay their permits and pay everything should be done right.

490
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:31,660
But if there is enough spaces for everybody, I mean, I invite you guys to see for yourselves that there is enough space in the boardwalk, not only for pedicad but for vendors and it can be allocated if done right.

491
00:39:31,660 --> 00:39:37,120
If, you know, looked at it from a viewpoint of vendors have to provide for the families,

492
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:38,760
petty can't have to provide for the families.

493
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:43,400
We don't have vacancies of multi-million corporation, like Uber, like Lyft.

494
00:39:43,860 --> 00:39:48,680
We don't have most of us, you know, our people of color, the people of where we have disadvantages,

495
00:39:49,180 --> 00:39:52,240
or we have to provide for our families in any way that we can.

496
00:39:53,240 --> 00:39:59,320
And the way that we do it is by being able to provide, say, a good, whether it be drawing.

497
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:07,720
By my friend William or whether it's busking, magician friends or people are doing magic on the side.

498
00:40:08,260 --> 00:40:17,040
Everyone has the right to be able to not only express themselves in the way that they have the talent to do so, but also be able to provide for themselves and for the family.

499
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:22,440
And I'll also speak on the Patecav on the other agenda when it comes up.

500
00:40:22,900 --> 00:40:27,660
But I feel that, you know, everyone has to do right to be able to do things right.

501
00:40:28,860 --> 00:40:36,040
And not only show that San Diego is great for tourism, great for providing good,

502
00:40:36,860 --> 00:40:43,360
like a show, a drum show on the side of the harbor, that many people enjoy, that many people like.

503
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:50,280
And I see it, it's crucial, it's vital for the vibrancy of the city.

504
00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:51,020
That's okay.

505
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:52,500
Thank you.

506
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:54,140
Thank you.

507
00:40:54,140 --> 00:40:54,180
Thank you.

508
00:40:54,500 --> 00:40:56,420
I have Christine Polencia.

509
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:57,360
Polencia.

510
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:58,320
I'm so sorry.

511
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,620
I've followed by a William Dorset with Time Seated by Pat Moran.

512
00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:10,700
It's a blessing.

513
00:41:11,260 --> 00:41:15,080
So first of all, I just want to say thank you so much for listening to us.

514
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:23,540
Last time we were here, I am a vendor out there and I was there prior to the 2022 wild wild

515
00:41:23,540 --> 00:41:29,740
best, and it used to be paradise. A lot of the vendors that were there were amazing. Everybody was

516
00:41:29,740 --> 00:41:37,300
a community. We all got along wonderfully. We helped each other with smile when other vendors made money

517
00:41:37,300 --> 00:41:42,500
because we were there to boost each other up. In the real world, I would love to see that in the future.

518
00:41:43,060 --> 00:41:50,260
Secondly, I would like to say thank you so much to Larry Sophia and their staff for listening

519
00:41:50,260 --> 00:41:55,540
and helping and always taking meetings or not just me but several other vendors to try

520
00:41:55,540 --> 00:42:02,580
to make this the best for San Diego and most of all, I would like to thank Sophia because

521
00:42:02,580 --> 00:42:12,480
we know she's retiring and she has put in so many years of public service so I like to

522
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,320
I was parks and wrecked before for several years.

523
00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:19,520
So I know that it is a public surface service.

524
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:23,600
I've donated several hours of my time for years in my community.

525
00:42:24,860 --> 00:42:30,560
And she's always been, maybe not everybody would agree with what she had to say,

526
00:42:30,700 --> 00:42:33,900
but she's always been authentic, honest, and has so much integrity.

527
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,460
So thank you, Sophia, so much for your time.

528
00:42:37,540 --> 00:42:38,920
We really do appreciate it.

529
00:42:39,300 --> 00:42:40,700
And that's all I got to say for today.

530
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,140
except for, let's keep trying to improve this.

531
00:42:44,460 --> 00:42:46,520
I will keep trying to fight for better for everybody.

532
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:48,360
It doesn't matter if it's blue or green.

533
00:42:48,820 --> 00:42:50,360
We all have bones at the end of the day.

534
00:42:50,740 --> 00:42:52,660
We're all the same type of people at the end of the day.

535
00:42:53,060 --> 00:42:53,940
So thank you.

536
00:42:57,940 --> 00:43:01,000
Very William Dorset with Time Seated by Pat Moran,

537
00:43:01,340 --> 00:43:02,420
followed by Gary Faud.

538
00:43:05,090 --> 00:43:06,110
We bring it up.

539
00:43:06,610 --> 00:43:06,830
All

540
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:15,820
right.

541
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:17,680
Thank you for allowing me to speak.

542
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:22,060
I don't know how to put this in the words.

543
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:23,260
I had a really good speech,

544
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,600
but I don't have enough time to actually say it.

545
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,740
I want to cut all the fat.

546
00:43:29,220 --> 00:43:31,380
I think everyone's looking at free speech

547
00:43:31,380 --> 00:43:33,700
and expressive activities in the wrong way

548
00:43:33,700 --> 00:43:35,820
because I keep hearing over and over people

549
00:43:35,820 --> 00:43:39,580
say that expressive activities is a lesser form of free speech.

550
00:43:40,380 --> 00:43:44,540
Yet before we can speak when we were cave people

551
00:43:44,540 --> 00:43:48,940
or nomads in the forest, we were drawing.

552
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,500
We were making music on wooden drums.

553
00:43:52,500 --> 00:44:04,580
We were creating crafts to drink from into where and everything that we did before we can speak was creative in some form of fashion.

554
00:44:04,940 --> 00:44:15,760
It was expressive. Art and itself has been synonymous with religion and philosophy and science and the scientific method.

555
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,920
You can take a painting, and you can drive someone to

556
00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:24,620
Extreme bliss, or you can send them the war with that same creative power

557
00:44:24,620 --> 00:44:31,640
You can create a message with poetry that would take someone to tears or bring them to intimacy

558
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:40,320
You can take music and create a vibe that makes someone go from up here to down here and back up here within seconds

559
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:53,530
all means of communication. Yet art and music and First Amendment rights are considered for some reason by various people in this group to be a secondary form of free speech.

560
00:44:54,420 --> 00:44:59,980
You're saying, hey, you've got to be in these spaces and it's got to be this way and you're saying that it's the...

561
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:20,140
Most reasonable things that you know of. But I know different, because I've experienced this for almost two decades. I've experienced when you had a permit, and we were still allowed to pretty much set up for every one of you. I experienced 805 before the pandemic, where allowed to set up pretty much wherever we wanted to.

562
00:45:20,140 --> 00:45:22,780
There wasn't no heavy and handed enforcement.

563
00:45:23,420 --> 00:45:25,860
Look at Cambridge, Cambridge, Massachusetts.

564
00:45:26,180 --> 00:45:29,140
Their enforcement is made by groups of artists,

565
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,640
and the violation line is 25 bucks.

566
00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:35,520
25 bucks.

567
00:45:35,820 --> 00:45:38,040
You know, it doesn't scare people.

568
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,560
It doesn't make them afraid and feel like you're

569
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,140
trampling on their first amendment rights.

570
00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:47,220
It lets them know, hey, they're stepping over the line,

571
00:45:47,220 --> 00:45:50,740
But it's not something that's unattainable for them.

572
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,440
A thousand dollars, like the ticket I got over the weekend,

573
00:45:54,580 --> 00:45:56,500
it's unattainable for someone like me.

574
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,760
Like it's just ruining people like me's lives.

575
00:46:00,380 --> 00:46:02,560
And the way y'all are doing things in a city

576
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:06,820
that is right now, one is on most expensive cities

577
00:46:06,820 --> 00:46:10,500
in the country, the live, to people who are the poorest people

578
00:46:10,500 --> 00:46:11,500
in the country.

579
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,160
Just hurts, it stinks.

580
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,080
It's like you're punching us in the face.

581
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:17,440
You're punching us in the gut.

582
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,720
And so when some of us act in a fight or flight means,

583
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:22,960
it's because we're scared.

584
00:46:24,300 --> 00:46:26,700
We are being pushed back, we're being told,

585
00:46:26,700 --> 00:46:28,840
we can only do it this way or that way

586
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:30,800
when we know how things work for us.

587
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,600
We know where we work best.

588
00:46:33,060 --> 00:46:36,680
We know like I know 10 by 20 is what works best

589
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,260
for mine's needs as far as an artist.

590
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:43,560
I know some guitarists that by 10 is plenty.

591
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:51,340
I know magicians didn't need 10x20 as well to be able to hurrow their crowds, you know, space

592
00:46:51,340 --> 00:46:57,440
and should be something that is, you know, depending on the needs of the individual, because

593
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:04,580
that's what we are. We're individuals. We're not one complete entity. And I want you to consider

594
00:47:04,580 --> 00:47:11,120
that art and music and all these things have been something as part of our speech since before

595
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:16,820
we can speak, and once you consider why is everybody treating it, it is a secondary thing

596
00:47:16,820 --> 00:47:18,000
in free speech.

597
00:47:18,780 --> 00:47:19,540
Thank you for your time.

598
00:47:22,430 --> 00:47:26,090
We have Gary Scott, followed by Armando Roman.

599
00:47:32,910 --> 00:47:34,330
Thank you for your time.

600
00:47:35,310 --> 00:47:42,690
I'm kind of curious here, I'm kind of a conundrum as far as classification of what I do.

601
00:47:42,910 --> 00:47:46,390
I do major bubble shows all over Southern California.

602
00:47:46,390 --> 00:47:54,410
I do a lot of major events for Southern California Edison, I do a lot of fundraisers for hospital

603
00:47:54,410 --> 00:48:00,670
and underprivileged children, radi-children's hospitals, do a lot of birthday parties, events

604
00:48:00,670 --> 00:48:05,110
all over Southern California, and when I do have some extra time, I'll come down to see

605
00:48:05,110 --> 00:48:12,070
for a village and just do demonstrations, okay, never do I charge anyone or expect any

606
00:48:12,070 --> 00:48:20,070
money whatsoever. I have, it's still my body. I have never been

607
00:48:20,070 --> 00:48:25,550
hassled or warned or anything by any of the authorities down here.

608
00:48:26,530 --> 00:48:29,950
When the court police walk up, they usually command me to say,

609
00:48:30,330 --> 00:48:33,290
great job, Gary. We love what you're doing down here for these kids.

610
00:48:34,350 --> 00:48:38,190
Okay? And then I'm hearing on the flip side that you need to permit for this.

611
00:48:38,190 --> 00:48:41,570
they're going to throw you into a blob of lava, a blob, so on a

612
00:48:41,570 --> 00:48:45,570
so forth and I'm just trying to figure out, you know, where do I

613
00:48:45,570 --> 00:48:49,890
classify here? Because I don't charge anybody in a money. Okay,

614
00:48:49,970 --> 00:48:53,950
nobody's writing on anything. Nobody's eating anything and it's just,

615
00:48:54,370 --> 00:48:58,430
you know, the kids they come up and they just love it. I mean, it's like,

616
00:48:58,430 --> 00:49:01,450
you know, and it's like one of the operas we were talking, you know, a couple

617
00:49:01,450 --> 00:49:07,110
weeks ago and it goes, you know what? You have no idea what these kids are going

618
00:49:07,110 --> 00:49:12,730
through right now. They have a bad day, a bad week, a bad month, or things bad at home,

619
00:49:13,010 --> 00:49:18,390
school, whatever. And this level to play the playing field for them, they come down here,

620
00:49:18,630 --> 00:49:24,290
they forget about all their troubles for 15 or 20 minutes, have a ball, level the playing field

621
00:49:24,290 --> 00:49:30,230
with all the rest of the kids, and it's all good. And I'm just trying to figure out,

622
00:49:34,330 --> 00:49:34,630
you know,

623
00:49:34,630 --> 00:49:42,190
what is that? Because nobody's walking away with anything but good memories, you know? So is

624
00:49:42,190 --> 00:49:50,310
there anyone here that could classify me? Okay great, thank you. Well that's just it, you know,

625
00:49:51,470 --> 00:49:58,170
I appreciate your time. Thank you. Thank you. Amanda Roman followed by sharing cloud.

626
00:50:00,370 --> 00:50:07,000
We have sharing cloud, followed by Michelle McFadden.

627
00:50:10,690 --> 00:50:18,010
Good afternoon, Chair Costanos, commissioners, General Council, Russell, and Board Acting, President, Randa Coniglio.

628
00:50:18,630 --> 00:50:27,890
I just wanted to thank staff. This all these ordinances we've gone through this year, it takes a lot of resources, a lot of resources.

629
00:50:27,890 --> 00:50:32,610
And I'm happy to see that some of the people complimenting what the port staff has done.

630
00:50:32,850 --> 00:50:41,130
But I will tell you, Sophie Bardo, she does hit it out of the park and wanted to personally thank her in front of everybody because I don't know that she'll be leaving.

631
00:50:41,750 --> 00:50:45,490
But I'm Larry and your team have done a great job, and I just want to thank you very much.

632
00:50:47,130 --> 00:50:51,390
The of Miss Michelle McFadden followed by Don Newton.

633
00:51:03,660 --> 00:51:08,460
So I completely agree with all the changes that you guys are putting on the board.

634
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:13,860
I do want to thank Larry, Sophie, and your guys' team for doing a great job on the

635
00:51:13,860 --> 00:51:16,840
port so far and continuing to work with us.

636
00:51:16,980 --> 00:51:18,720
I do want to express a couple concerns.

637
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:25,360
This weekend, a lot was going on for me, and I did get there a little bit late, and there

638
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:30,940
a point where not only were there commercial vendors that weren't supposed to be in our spots,

639
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:32,720
really have like five-six spots on the board.

640
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:40,540
One group that is after me and a couple of friends took three of those spots, early early

641
00:51:40,540 --> 00:51:40,860
in the morning.

642
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:42,220
We're talking like I've thought of more.

643
00:51:43,240 --> 00:51:47,840
So that a quality coast person to become, I tried calling Sophie, I tried calling Larry, no

644
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:52,740
one's answering, I informed Larry about what's going on, I talked to one of the quality

645
00:51:52,740 --> 00:51:54,700
because people there, they said they're not coming,

646
00:51:54,900 --> 00:51:56,620
so they're like, hey, can I post up?

647
00:51:58,060 --> 00:52:00,200
Um, empty spot, first amendment artists,

648
00:52:00,940 --> 00:52:02,140
still got on trouble for being there,

649
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,100
still got kicked out, specifically called the

650
00:52:05,100 --> 00:52:06,760
Farber Police early in the morning,

651
00:52:06,900 --> 00:52:08,640
you're like, hey, they spend a lot of speed here,

652
00:52:08,700 --> 00:52:09,960
can you remove them?

653
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,900
And then when they finally came five hours later,

654
00:52:12,940 --> 00:52:14,460
instead of removing them,

655
00:52:14,660 --> 00:52:16,580
they attacked the first amendment artist.

656
00:52:17,220 --> 00:52:19,200
And I don't see that as fair whatsoever.

657
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:49,180
If you guys want to enforce, enforce the right people because I've been very much in compliance with everything, I've been very respectful with everything and I don't and just like it used to be

658
00:52:49,180 --> 00:52:58,180
So if you guys are going to enforce just enforce who actually needs to be enforced, and if you see that we're trying to comply it work with us a little bit.

659
00:52:59,340 --> 00:53:01,520
That's it. Thank you guys. Have a good day.

660
00:53:02,540 --> 00:53:03,920
And we have Dawn Newton.

661
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:18,320
Thank you for having me here. My name is Dawn Newton. I'm a current vendor down at the port.

662
00:53:19,020 --> 00:53:21,520
I just wanted to thank you guys for allowing me the opportunity.

663
00:53:22,740 --> 00:53:25,560
I wanted to thank Larry and Sophia as well.

664
00:53:26,780 --> 00:53:34,280
I, and down here today, I, here for the court section 8.05,

665
00:53:36,420 --> 00:53:40,660
and I have a lot of,

666
00:53:42,910 --> 00:53:53,230
I don't think that the way this has been put together and the information that was used to make these decisions, I just have a lot of questions about it.

667
00:53:53,230 --> 00:54:00,490
And beyond that, I will decline my right to speak any further, but I do think you guys need

668
00:54:00,490 --> 00:54:03,410
to take a hard look at what's being put forth there.

669
00:54:04,850 --> 00:54:11,050
And like I said, I won't speak any further, but before you make your decisions, make sure

670
00:54:11,050 --> 00:54:12,110
that your facts are correct.

671
00:54:13,050 --> 00:54:13,890
Thank you very much.

672
00:54:15,050 --> 00:54:15,390
Thank you.

673
00:54:15,570 --> 00:54:16,870
That concludes public comment.

674
00:54:17,770 --> 00:54:18,490
Okay, thank you.

675
00:54:18,490 --> 00:54:23,950
And I'll close the public hearing and move on to Commissioner questions and comments.

676
00:54:29,450 --> 00:54:30,390
Commissioner Moore.

677
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:32,660
Thank you.

678
00:54:32,780 --> 00:54:35,820
My screen just did something here.

679
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:40,780
First of all, I wanted to thank Larry and your team for an excellent job.

680
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:48,300
I also wanted to thank the public for coming to the meetings and providing all your opinions

681
00:54:48,300 --> 00:54:48,880
and thoughts.

682
00:54:49,100 --> 00:54:52,780
It really does help the end of the day to make the product better.

683
00:54:52,780 --> 00:54:59,840
Maybe not perfect but definitely better and I'm looking forward to us to continually sort of evolving

684
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:04,020
The ordinance to make it even better from what it is today.

685
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:11,380
I also just wanted to give a quick shout out to thank Mr. McFarlane for apologizing.

686
00:55:11,420 --> 00:55:15,060
I said you're name correctly. I'm sorry, there's that.

687
00:55:15,240 --> 00:55:20,040
I just wanted to thank you for your apology. It takes a big person to apologize.

688
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:25,440
And there's just not enough people in this nowadays that can actually do that.

689
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:30,240
So, I just wanted to do a shout out to you and to thank you for that.

690
00:55:30,660 --> 00:55:31,440
Thank you.

691
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:32,880
Thank you.

692
00:55:33,020 --> 00:55:33,260
Thank you, Commissioner.

693
00:55:33,460 --> 00:55:35,920
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

694
00:55:37,100 --> 00:55:39,000
This has been a long time coming.

695
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:44,880
And, you know, there was a speaker that spoke earlier about.

696
00:55:44,900 --> 00:55:54,600
We shouldn't allow the vendors and also the petty cabs just operate freely because that's the source of income.

697
00:55:54,600 --> 00:56:00,200
And I completely understand it, but the fact of the matter is, is that, on both of those

698
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:06,220
cases, this body has to act as the regulator that regulates it because there's a lot of

699
00:56:06,220 --> 00:56:13,460
other interested parties that use those public spaces that we have to be respectful for

700
00:56:14,100 --> 00:56:16,240
and hopefully not impacting on it.

701
00:56:17,220 --> 00:56:21,740
So I've been supportive of this vending and expressive activity ordinance that's been coming

702
00:56:21,740 --> 00:56:30,440
that's coming before us, I took note of the comment made by Mr. Newton just recently, right now.

703
00:56:30,540 --> 00:56:34,840
And if there are facts there that we have in accurately, I want to know about them.

704
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:39,720
And I know staff wants to know about them and we want to correct them.

705
00:56:40,020 --> 00:56:45,560
We've put together this staff report based upon what we think is all the accurate information,

706
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:49,060
but if there's something that's wrong there, I want to correct it.

707
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:49,700
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

708
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:52,180
Thank you, Commissioner Malcolm.

709
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:54,040
Thank you, Chair.

710
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:59,820
I just want to thank our staff first for a lot of hard work here.

711
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:05,040
As Sharon Cloudward said, bringing new ordinance in front of the board takes a lot of work,

712
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:08,680
a lot of data, and you guys have done that over the past year.

713
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:14,180
I also want to thank everyone that's spoke, foreign against, we value all your opinions

714
00:57:14,180 --> 00:57:18,680
and as Commissioner Moore said, that really helps us to make an informed decision.

715
00:57:19,900 --> 00:57:21,260
There is no perfect ordinance.

716
00:57:22,100 --> 00:57:27,360
Commissioner Caston's right though, we do have a compelling interest to regulate this space,

717
00:57:28,020 --> 00:57:33,160
so we do need to put an ordinance in place, but it does not mean, if the end of the day,

718
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:36,860
that these are the rules that will stay in place forever.

719
00:57:37,420 --> 00:57:40,040
We will continue to evaluate how it works.

720
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:47,920
For example, we heard you last month when you told us that six months wasn't enough time for a commercial

721
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:51,160
vending permit and we increased that to one year.

722
00:57:51,420 --> 00:57:54,180
We listened to you and we responded to that.

723
00:57:55,560 --> 00:58:00,500
Doing an ordinance today doesn't mean that our staff and us stop listening.

724
00:58:00,860 --> 00:58:04,820
We will continue to evaluate how the ordinance is working.

725
00:58:04,820 --> 00:58:15,660
We do want to have expressive activity and vendors on our tidalance, that actually does bring people down and it does activate tidalance, so it's something that we want.

726
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:19,300
We just need to do it in a regulated, safe way for the public.

727
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:22,940
But I want to thank you all for coming here today and expressing your opinions.

728
00:58:25,270 --> 00:58:26,330
Thank you, Commissioner Malcolm.

729
00:58:26,890 --> 00:58:30,610
Any other commissioners who would like to comment or have any questions?

730
00:58:31,590 --> 00:58:32,970
Commissioner Daniel Moore?

731
00:58:33,550 --> 00:58:38,790
I'd like to echo the sentiments of the other commissioners and thank you all for all of

732
00:58:38,790 --> 00:58:39,530
your hard work.

733
00:58:39,690 --> 00:58:46,230
This is, you know, span over a year with you all, work entirely to gather information, to meet

734
00:58:46,230 --> 00:58:46,850
with stakeholders.

735
00:58:47,650 --> 00:58:52,370
I was really impressed with your report, talking about, you know, all of the data that you

736
00:58:52,370 --> 00:58:55,050
have considered, all of the people that you've met with.

737
00:58:55,290 --> 00:58:57,670
So thank you for all of the hard work.

738
00:58:57,670 --> 00:59:02,410
In fact, I remember the first time U.S. came for us, I guess your field study was just somebody

739
00:59:02,410 --> 00:59:08,270
from your team going out, and this time, there was detailed data about who went out, the

740
00:59:08,270 --> 00:59:12,570
hours that they went out, the data that they collected, and so that's just one example

741
00:59:12,570 --> 00:59:17,070
of how hard you guys have worked, and how responsive you've been, not only to the commissioners,

742
00:59:17,210 --> 00:59:18,250
but to the broader community.

743
00:59:19,870 --> 00:59:25,330
I'd like to, for you guys to come back even after this year, seeing that we've been with, you

744
00:59:25,330 --> 00:59:29,250
who have had the permits for longer to see how that process is working.

745
00:59:29,830 --> 00:59:35,190
I'd also like to see, I think it's a fair exchange for the public to be able to utilize

746
00:59:35,190 --> 00:59:41,070
public spaces for such a long period to be gathering more data about the nature of their

747
00:59:41,070 --> 00:59:46,790
business, whether there were invilations to come back with that and I think that's a reasonable

748
00:59:46,790 --> 00:59:52,310
exchange for them to have it for them to be required to kind of fill out some type of survey

749
00:59:52,310 --> 00:59:58,910
and provide us with information and also to aggregate that within the information that we have.

750
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:12,480
You know, based on them being there. I think we talked before Larry and you had talked about how now they'll have it for a year and when they go into the lottery, they can also get it another year.

751
01:00:12,980 --> 01:00:28,700
Given the number of applicants and the limited number of spaces that we have, there's something that feels uncomfortable to me about that and I think it's more fair for it to be allocated across, or give opportunities to those who may not have had an opportunity to get a permit.

752
01:00:28,700 --> 01:00:35,260
And so, you know, I leave it to you all to figure out what works best, but that does seem

753
01:00:35,260 --> 01:00:38,660
fair to me that if they've had an opportunity that someone else should get an opportunity,

754
01:00:39,580 --> 01:00:40,220
who has them before.

755
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:45,380
And I remember one of the comments that we received from the community was about the importance

756
01:00:45,380 --> 01:00:46,160
of food vendors.

757
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:52,460
And so, in terms of collecting that data, I'd like to see, you know, that information as well

758
01:00:52,460 --> 01:00:53,140
about their business.

759
01:00:53,260 --> 01:00:54,560
But again, thank you.

760
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:55,500
Thank you for being responsive.

761
01:00:55,500 --> 01:01:00,300
and thank you to the community for coming out and sharing your thoughts about, you know,

762
01:01:00,940 --> 01:01:06,300
good or bad about your agreement with it or with not. I've been pleasantly surprised that

763
01:01:06,300 --> 01:01:12,000
overwhelmingly the response has been positive, even from some of the tenants about some of the

764
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:18,920
changes that have been put in place in the security and safety that they feel around their businesses.

765
01:01:20,020 --> 01:01:24,800
Sorry, one other data point would be for the tenants if there are concerns that people who share

766
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:29,980
their business were also present and there was a sense of competition, and maybe there's

767
01:01:29,980 --> 01:01:33,800
a way we can spread it out so that that's not equally as felt.

768
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:36,360
Thank you.

769
01:01:36,540 --> 01:01:37,780
Thank you, Commissioner Moore.

770
01:01:39,180 --> 01:01:41,500
I would just like to echo everything that my colleagues have said.

771
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:44,340
Thank you to the members of the public for your comments.

772
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:50,120
I know everybody has been working really hard together for a really long time.

773
01:01:51,140 --> 01:01:56,360
I think it says a lot about the organization that there's been such an iterative process.

774
01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:03,540
Listening to the stakeholders coming back, reporting, making changes, the commission directing

775
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:12,700
based on what we're hearing and continuing to develop the ordinance in a way that hopefully satisfies

776
01:02:12,700 --> 01:02:16,240
everyone as much as possible. So I want to thank you for that.

777
01:02:16,940 --> 01:02:19,020
I think we're ready to vote.

778
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:22,660
We have to take these items separately A and B.

779
01:02:23,180 --> 01:02:27,040
Can I please get a motion on item A adopting the resolution?

780
01:02:30,540 --> 01:02:31,760
Moved and seconded.

781
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:33,160
Please vote.

782
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:36,360
Motion passed unanimously with commissioners.

783
01:02:36,460 --> 01:02:37,000
It can't excuse.

784
01:02:37,660 --> 01:02:37,940
Okay.

785
01:02:38,660 --> 01:02:43,700
And now if I can get a motion on item B,

786
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:45,800
could you put B up there, please?

787
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:05,880
This is adoption of the ordinance.

788
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:07,360
Can I get a first in a second?

789
01:03:11,420 --> 01:03:13,120
So moved, please vote?

790
01:03:14,970 --> 01:03:15,850
Motion passed unanimously.

791
01:03:16,270 --> 01:03:17,310
This commissioner has a cut excuse.

792
01:03:18,430 --> 01:03:19,890
Great, thank you.

793
01:03:20,770 --> 01:03:22,770
We'll now move on to the next item,

794
01:03:23,410 --> 01:03:25,990
motorized mobility devices, and petty caps.

795
01:03:56,110 --> 01:03:57,390
Good afternoon.

796
01:03:57,910 --> 01:03:59,730
Good afternoon, Chairman Costiano's commissioners,

797
01:03:59,990 --> 01:04:03,290
acting president, Daneglio, and General Council Russell.

798
01:04:03,550 --> 01:04:06,250
I am Ken Wallace, director of guest experiences,

799
01:04:06,250 --> 01:04:10,350
and joined today by Parking Department Manager Christine Loud,

800
01:04:11,070 --> 01:04:12,870
Harbor Police Captain Jonathan George,

801
01:04:13,530 --> 01:04:16,130
and Senior Deputy General Counsel John Carter.

802
01:04:16,690 --> 01:04:20,050
We are here today with recommendations for an overall

803
01:04:20,050 --> 01:04:24,430
Petticab Operator Program and Mobility Regulation.

804
01:04:25,470 --> 01:04:29,170
Due to the increased presence of motorized mobility devices,

805
01:04:29,790 --> 01:04:31,290
inclusive of Petticabs,

806
01:04:32,150 --> 01:04:34,270
staff is developed and overall planned,

807
01:04:34,270 --> 01:04:39,370
focused on improving the guest experience and protecting public safety.

808
01:04:40,030 --> 01:04:44,790
The Peticap Operator Program forms a partnership between the Port District,

809
01:04:45,190 --> 01:04:50,790
our tenants, stakeholders, and Peticap operators to serve our guests safely and effectively.

810
01:04:51,710 --> 01:04:54,090
I will now turn the presentation over to Christine Love.

811
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:24,680
Good afternoon. I am Christine Love department manager for guest experiences parking. Our agenda today will include a review of the board direction from the July board meeting, a summary of our outreach efforts and I will review goals for the program, monitoring and enforcement plans and then implementation timeline and costs.

812
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:26,160
Next slide.

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01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:33,020
The board has given feedback over two board meetings, which staff has organized into three

814
01:05:33,020 --> 01:05:41,080
goals, protect public safety, develop designated routes for petal-only peticabs, and support

815
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:42,580
responsible operators.

816
01:05:43,780 --> 01:05:44,220
Next slide.

817
01:05:47,220 --> 01:05:51,360
And the result is the proposed peticab operator program before you today.

818
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:56,160
This unique approach is multifaceted and includes three main elements.

819
01:05:57,000 --> 01:06:01,520
New regulations for all motorized mobility devices and petty cabs.

820
01:06:02,660 --> 01:06:07,560
One year operating agreements with petty cab owners and independent petty cabs

821
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:12,260
and a monitoring and enforcement approach that includes input from the public

822
01:06:12,260 --> 01:06:16,000
administrative support and harbor police enforcement.

823
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:17,680
Next slide.

824
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:26,940
Staff has conducted a robust public, tenant, and petty cab operator outreach effort over the last seven months.

825
01:06:27,500 --> 01:06:33,140
We have held seven stakeholder outreach meetings with a total of 77 participants attending.

826
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:40,100
Additionally, staff has received 46 letters and emails from the public, which are attached to the agenda.

827
01:06:40,100 --> 01:06:46,560
The main issues from the public and tenants are pedestrian safety around motorized petty

828
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:53,140
calves and other mobility devices, loud music from petty calves and customer complaints regarding

829
01:06:53,140 --> 01:06:59,140
confusing and excessive rates, and access to and from businesses that are often blocked

830
01:06:59,140 --> 01:07:00,240
by petty calves.

831
01:07:00,980 --> 01:07:06,940
The main issues conveyed by the petty cab operators are a desire for continued operation

832
01:07:06,940 --> 01:07:14,020
of motorized petticabs on promenades and sidewalks, a desire for more policing for the bad

833
01:07:14,020 --> 01:07:21,080
actors, and the addition of a new petticab fee to operate on Port-Tilence since they are

834
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:23,020
ready pay fees to the city.

835
01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:24,780
Next slide.

836
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:31,880
Goal number one is protecting pedestrian safety and offering a good guest experience

837
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:38,760
by restricting all motorized devices to only operate on streets, roadways, driveways, and

838
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:39,340
bike lanes.

839
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:42,800
This is a common practice in many municipalities.

840
01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:49,160
And while the conversation today is mostly regarding pedigabs, as a reminder, that proposed

841
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:53,780
changes to the ordinance do include all motorized mobility devices.

842
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:59,900
As discussed in the two previous board meetings, exceptions will be made for ADA mobility

843
01:07:59,900 --> 01:08:06,020
devices for those with mobility, disabilities, and segway tours as described in the agenda.

844
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:07,460
Next slide.

845
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:12,920
Goal number two was to develop designated routes for petty cabs to operate while maintaining

846
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:13,900
public safety.

847
01:08:14,460 --> 01:08:20,060
Stap utilized consultant Steve Cook from intersecting metrics to assist in developing the

848
01:08:20,060 --> 01:08:26,020
routes, which included consideration for sustained promenade with, generally, 12 feet,

849
01:08:26,020 --> 01:08:35,340
or more areas that do not have high pedestrian density, as well as locations that do not disrupt business entry and exit points.

850
01:08:36,100 --> 01:08:45,620
Designated routes for motorized devices were developed as well by utilizing non-side walk areas such as streets, bike lanes, and parking lot drive aisles.

851
01:08:46,420 --> 01:08:55,640
The detailed maps are included in the agenda and have been shared with stakeholders tenants, petty cab operators, and the public during the recent stakeholder outreach meetings.

852
01:08:56,020 --> 01:09:01,240
It is important to note that a path of travel does exist for both motorized and

853
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:05,780
pedal-only petticabs to operate from the crescent area to the Bayfront Barrage.

854
01:09:06,660 --> 01:09:07,180
Next slide.

855
01:09:08,940 --> 01:09:13,560
To illustrate the development of the routes on the next two slides we will zoom into

856
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:15,780
specific areas to show examples.

857
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:22,360
This slide shows the area of the promenade from south of portside pier down to Broadway.

858
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:28,700
Due to high pedestrian density, as well as vending and cruise operations, no petticabs can

859
01:09:28,700 --> 01:09:33,940
operate along the promenade in this area until just south of B. Street Pier. However, they

860
01:09:33,940 --> 01:09:39,500
can operate on Harbor Drive as shown in the purple area with the bike share rows on the

861
01:09:39,500 --> 01:09:45,580
street, as well as inside the dry vials of the parking area parallel to the promenade. The green

862
01:09:45,580 --> 01:09:52,080
line, allowing pedal-only petticabs, then starts at the south side of B. Street Pier and continues

863
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:59,800
southbound. Next slide. This example shows the area of the Greatest Generation Park.

864
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:23,980
Down to the area passed to an harbor. This shows where there are two parallel pathways and the green line designates that the petal only peticabs can travel on the inner sidewalk. The red is where there is greater pedestrian density as well as vendor booths and a wooden deck area adjacent to the waterfront. Purple indicates where all peticabs could operate. Next slide.

865
01:10:23,980 --> 01:10:27,980
Gold number three is to support responsible operators.

866
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:36,720
A key component of this program is to establish petty cab operating agreements with the petty cab owners and independent petty cabs.

867
01:10:36,940 --> 01:10:45,060
It will include the requirements that a short-term petty cab offering agreement must be in place to operate on port property.

868
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:53,380
To be considered for an agreement the applicant must have a current city of San Diego petty cab decal and permit to operate.

869
01:10:53,380 --> 01:10:59,060
Plus insurance and the requirement to abide by the district's petty cab code of conduct.

870
01:10:59,820 --> 01:11:08,060
In addition, the petty cab owners and independence will be responsible for managing their petty cab operators' behavior to remain in good standing.

871
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:15,120
This will include posting the customer bill of rights which protects the customer and the petty cab operator.

872
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:24,440
Posting a fairer per person and all other fairs offered in a visible location on the outside and inside of the petty cab.

873
01:11:24,900 --> 01:11:38,620
As noted in the agenda, fairs can range from $5 to $15 for petal-only rides and $10 to $100 for motorized petty cab rides, which is per person per ride or tour.

874
01:11:38,620 --> 01:11:43,520
Each individual operator determines the fairest they charge for rides.

875
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:50,820
And no amplification of sound or music from any petty cab operating on the water frame.

876
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:53,280
Next slide.

877
01:11:54,480 --> 01:12:02,540
Another key aspect of the overall program will be the use of placard decals to identify petty cabs that are authorized to operate on tidelines.

878
01:12:02,540 --> 01:12:10,360
The plan is to display one large placard prominently on the back of the petty cab and two smaller placards on the sides.

879
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:15,500
These placard decals will include the port logo and be visible from a distance.

880
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:25,400
The placard decals will have a phone number, email address, website, text code, and QR code, which can be used by the public to report issues.

881
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:31,900
There will be two different colors for the placard decals to distinguish between petal-only petty cabs,

882
01:12:31,900 --> 01:12:35,780
which will be green and yellow for motorized petty caps.

883
01:12:36,580 --> 01:12:38,980
The images on the screen are mock-ups.

884
01:12:39,340 --> 01:12:43,220
Staff will continue to refine these in advance of launching,

885
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:47,120
ensuring they are large enough for the public to easily see.

886
01:12:47,380 --> 01:12:48,020
Next slide.

887
01:12:49,020 --> 01:12:54,200
The top of the chart shows the current city of San Diego fees for petty cab decals,

888
01:12:54,660 --> 01:13:01,040
city permit and license paid by petty cab companies and operators annual totaling $926.

889
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:08,660
dollars. For the Ports Peticab program, staff is estimating year one costs to be $183,000.

890
01:13:09,540 --> 01:13:16,300
To recapture 100% of these costs, the Port would need to charge $731 per Peticab.

891
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:22,160
Other options are shown here ranging from 100% down to 25% of total costs.

892
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:27,060
Due to the estimated costs, including some startup consulting,

893
01:13:27,060 --> 01:13:33,620
signage and IT costs, as well as the desire to encourage entrepreneurship in this space.

894
01:13:34,020 --> 01:13:40,560
Staff is recommending keeping the cost low at $183 for Petticab, which would allow the

895
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:45,560
port to recapture 25% of our year 1 startup costs.

896
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:56,380
A $183 plus the city fees of $926 over $1100 a fees would be charged in total Petticab between

897
01:13:56,380 --> 01:13:57,880
the port and the city.

898
01:13:58,780 --> 01:14:03,320
Staff will reevaluate and review costs annually and report back to the board.

899
01:14:04,440 --> 01:14:04,780
Next slide.

900
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:10,500
The monitoring and enforcement of the ordinance and program will depend on multiple inputs.

901
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:16,620
The public will report observed violations with pictures, videos, and pedicab identification

902
01:14:16,620 --> 01:14:17,480
information.

903
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:22,020
And the administrative staff will track citations and reported violations.

904
01:14:22,020 --> 01:14:29,360
In some cases, court staff may issue administrative penalties to petty cab owners for their operators behavior.

905
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:37,060
Court staff will also meet quarterly with the petty cab owners to review the status of any complaints and operator behavior issues.

906
01:14:37,440 --> 01:14:46,520
In the event that petty cab behavior has reached unsatisfactory levels, a formal warning letter will be issued before an agreement would be terminated.

907
01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:56,420
and harbour police will educate, warn, and issue citations for observed behaviors that violate the ordinance or any other laws or regulations.

908
01:14:57,640 --> 01:14:59,860
The key incentive for proper behavior.

909
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:06,840
In this overall enforcement approach, is the petty cab's owners ability to maintain an operating agreement.

910
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:15,320
Next slide. The timeline shown here takes into account the several steps needed from now through February of 2024.

911
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:26,220
The ordinance will be effective 30 days after approval and an education period will start. Signs will be ordered and installed and monitoring reporting will commence.

912
01:15:26,220 --> 01:15:35,900
Staff will work with petty cab owners on their applications and verify with the City of San Diego that their renewal or new city decals have been issued.

913
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:42,100
In February, the operating agreements will be executed and enforcement of the agreement terms will commence.

914
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:47,500
Staff will return after one year of operations with an overall report on the program.

915
01:15:47,500 --> 01:15:54,480
next slide. Based on the plans presented today regarding motorized mobility devices and the

916
01:15:54,480 --> 01:16:00,260
Petticab program, staff recommends the board adopt the new ordinance and direct staff to implement

917
01:16:00,260 --> 01:16:06,260
the proposed Petticab Operator Program. This concludes the presentation and staff will be available

918
01:16:06,260 --> 01:16:12,740
for any questions you may have. Thank you. Thank you very much. We will now open the public hearing.

919
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:18,180
Do we have any public comment?

920
01:16:18,580 --> 01:16:24,160
We do. Thank you. We will play one voice mail followed by 18 in person speakers.

921
01:16:27,110 --> 01:16:31,990
Well, here comes like you just want to throw us out into the street when there's no real reason for it.

922
01:16:32,110 --> 01:16:35,170
You guys are worried that pedestrian might get bumped by a petty cab.

923
01:16:35,790 --> 01:16:37,590
Maybe get a bruise on their toe.

924
01:16:38,270 --> 01:16:40,230
What's going to happen when the car hits a petty cab?

925
01:16:40,670 --> 01:16:41,590
Especially when there's customers.

926
01:16:42,390 --> 01:16:43,510
Definitely going to be worse though.

927
01:16:43,510 --> 01:16:48,870
lose on the toe. All you need to do is get rid of the motors on the harbor. That along

928
01:16:48,870 --> 01:16:52,530
with the extra fees you say you want to charge us is going to thin out the herd a little.

929
01:16:52,950 --> 01:16:57,850
It's not all we'll be willing to pay that as well as lose their motors. Those left wall

930
01:16:57,850 --> 01:17:03,090
be traveling at a much slower and safer speed. There won't be any need to tell us where we can

931
01:17:03,090 --> 01:17:08,310
and can't go. Where are you guys? Where are you guys when the motors were banned at 6-7

932
01:17:08,310 --> 01:17:13,230
years ago? Things were good for a while until COVID happened. The motors were brought back

933
01:17:13,230 --> 01:17:18,970
everyone came back from COVID a few years ago. There are only two of us out there that pedal

934
01:17:18,970 --> 01:17:24,470
without a motor. There's a reason why you never hear about us because we're the safest ones

935
01:17:24,470 --> 01:17:29,610
out there. Just get rid of the motors and see how well that works before you do anything else

936
01:17:29,610 --> 01:17:30,230
to us.

937
01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:42,260
Now we have Nicole, well, Chris, while we're at Rinski, I'm so sorry.

938
01:17:42,260 --> 01:17:43,080
Michael Vachins.

939
01:17:43,500 --> 01:17:44,700
And followed by Ryan.

940
01:17:44,980 --> 01:17:45,460
Good afternoon.

941
01:17:46,060 --> 01:17:47,600
Thank you for letting me speak right here.

942
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:49,180
My name is Michael Vachinsky.

943
01:17:49,460 --> 01:17:57,500
I own the Pettica Fleet Pettica Alnimo, which is 2026 Petticafs, and with the new ordinance

944
01:17:57,500 --> 01:18:05,940
coming in, I basically going to be buying $19731, $19,000 with the next 23 months I'm going

945
01:18:05,940 --> 01:18:07,160
to bring it to you guys.

946
01:18:07,440 --> 01:18:10,700
I don't know when I'm going to get that money, but I mean, I have to get a loan or something

947
01:18:10,700 --> 01:18:14,260
you know, to provide with the business, you know,

948
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:16,140
which is ridiculous because their vendors,

949
01:18:16,140 --> 01:18:18,380
the vendors pay $40 a year.

950
01:18:18,460 --> 01:18:21,460
They have their own designated spot for a whole year,

951
01:18:21,620 --> 01:18:25,000
I guess right now, and it's on their name.

952
01:18:25,180 --> 01:18:28,480
We're not gonna have a spot for our name with the pedicup.

953
01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:31,040
We're not gonna be able to hold for 24 hours.

954
01:18:31,300 --> 01:18:33,880
If I leave, I won't be able to come back to the spot

955
01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:34,980
if somebody else takes.

956
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:36,700
So I think that's an offer.

957
01:18:37,260 --> 01:18:49,640
And the other issue is you're telling us to breach the independent contract agreement to tell, you know, the drivers, what to do and the frame, which is, that's, you know, breaching basically the contract.

958
01:18:50,760 --> 01:19:04,280
And the first thing is the exclusion of the segway tours, you know, the pedicab business is primarily is a rental business to, we rent the pedicab to the drivers, and that's how, and they do the tours, you know, so the same like segway is basically, you know.

959
01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:21,920
So, and they excluded, you know, which is I understand why, because I remember specifically on the first meeting, we had the board member, Mr. Castellanos, he expressed that this is not fair and that should be not excluded.

960
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:33,380
I remember that specifically on the first meeting. And all those three things, you know, come to kind of going to be out of the business, you know, and find with the big fines,

961
01:19:33,380 --> 01:19:36,920
which is beginning kicked out the harbor and we have to pay on top of it.

962
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:38,060
I'd like to agree with that.

963
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:39,980
Thank you for letting me speak.

964
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:41,080
Thank you.

965
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:44,280
We have Ryan Garin followed by Jason Goodman.

966
01:19:45,300 --> 01:19:46,080
Hey, how are you all doing?

967
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:52,540
I've actually been in the pedicab in history since 1998 about two months after pedicab first came

968
01:19:52,540 --> 01:19:54,400
in, still involved with the industry.

969
01:19:54,820 --> 01:19:57,380
Today, I'm talking about the blessings of all the major fleet owners.

970
01:19:57,540 --> 01:19:59,460
We won't bother listening to them due to time.

971
01:19:59,740 --> 01:19:59,840
Bye.

972
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:04,620
By recording with them, we all agree. One major objection here, and I think we're getting to this

973
01:20:04,620 --> 01:20:11,040
agreement, Michael talked about a little bit, pedicap operators agreement, okay? That all disciplinary

974
01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:17,360
actions, all that you're a browser on an operator. Now, it's unlawful for a person who grants

975
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:22,020
equipment to an independent contractor to have behavioral control of them, okay? And independent

976
01:20:22,020 --> 01:20:28,420
contractor is defined by the type of relationship they get very rent equipment, the behavioral

977
01:20:28,420 --> 01:20:35,080
control, we cannot tell them what to do, okay? It is illegal. And of course financial control,

978
01:20:35,340 --> 01:20:41,660
we cannot tell them what to charge. Any of these items classifies them as an employee and

979
01:20:44,060 --> 01:20:49,660
misrepresentation of independent contractor as an employee, actually we can get to find anywhere

980
01:20:49,660 --> 01:20:56,260
between $5 to $15,000 for each violation on individual basis, or if it's found to be a pattern

981
01:20:56,260 --> 01:20:58,540
10,000 to 25,000 dollars.

982
01:20:59,180 --> 01:21:04,840
So we do agree that there should be a accountability for the driver's actions.

983
01:21:05,340 --> 01:21:11,980
We have all this new technology that is supposed to make possible to report issues on drivers,

984
01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:12,860
right?

985
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:14,420
Not the fleet owner.

986
01:21:14,660 --> 01:21:19,080
If you run an ice cream truck to somebody, you can't tell that ice cream vendor how

987
01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:20,840
to sell their ice cream, okay?

988
01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:24,440
So by having us directly responsible or the fleet owners,

989
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:27,740
it's recognizable for controlling drivers behavior,

990
01:21:28,500 --> 01:21:29,500
that is unlawful.

991
01:21:29,620 --> 01:21:32,620
There's an ABC unlawful note there, okay?

992
01:21:33,060 --> 01:21:35,320
Sure, make the driver's permanent.

993
01:21:35,440 --> 01:21:37,720
Sure, make them be liable for their actions.

994
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:39,700
Make the driver's liable for their actions.

995
01:21:39,980 --> 01:21:42,060
Make all this technology work for one driver.

996
01:21:42,420 --> 01:21:45,940
Not to mention if a single driver of a fleet has an issue

997
01:21:45,940 --> 01:21:48,320
or they bad apple, and I'll wrap it up, I'm sorry.

998
01:21:48,940 --> 01:21:49,920
Is there a problem at all?

999
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:58,900
have in somebody else in that same fleet be affected by the One-Grior's action isn't fair if there's a good apple and a bad apple on the same fleet

1000
01:21:58,900 --> 01:22:05,860
and one guy doesn't have any wrong some meals renting a bike. Thank you. All of a sudden doesn't have a job. Thank you.

1001
01:22:05,900 --> 01:22:09,200
We have Jason Goodman followed by Ian Saliba.

1002
01:22:11,980 --> 01:22:20,420
Hello, name Jason Goodman, work for the Grand High at San Diego. I've observed many times that the petty calves come on to our property

1003
01:22:20,420 --> 01:22:26,600
in going in the in correct direction. As I was leaving my property, there was a petty cab

1004
01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:32,100
at the bottom of the corner of the market and harbour drive coming into our property.

1005
01:22:32,340 --> 01:22:37,720
Stopping right at our drive at the very bottom of it with two guests inside of it in the

1006
01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:43,560
roadway blocking traffic coming into our property. Let him know, hey, please get on to the drive.

1007
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:44,980
He did not get on to the drive.

1008
01:22:45,300 --> 01:22:46,920
He said, quit bothering me.

1009
01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:52,220
He then continued to take a picture of the guest

1010
01:22:52,220 --> 01:22:55,540
in the petty cab with a car coming on to the drive

1011
01:22:55,540 --> 01:22:57,540
and not worrying about what the car was doing.

1012
01:22:57,980 --> 01:23:01,800
So safety is kind of paramount with that multiple times.

1013
01:23:01,980 --> 01:23:05,660
I've had a guest tell me that they've

1014
01:23:05,660 --> 01:23:10,000
been charged hundreds of dollars or 90 to $70 coming in

1015
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:16,440
the Convention Center from little Italy, so it's a very expensive charge and not being

1016
01:23:16,440 --> 01:23:21,540
upfront with the cost of what they're going to be charged. They point out what the sign is,

1017
01:23:21,540 --> 01:23:30,340
the sign is not very well shown. I've saw also another petty cab who showed where his sign was,

1018
01:23:30,820 --> 01:23:38,260
where the pricing was, he then as he left the petty cab after he got paid, moved that sign back

1019
01:23:38,260 --> 01:23:39,380
to where it wasn't visible.

1020
01:23:39,940 --> 01:23:44,080
So there are multiple times where I've observed the petty cabs

1021
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:45,580
not being upfront with their pricing.

1022
01:23:46,580 --> 01:23:48,960
They also said that they are upfront with their pricing.

1023
01:23:49,380 --> 01:23:51,840
And then we still have gotten multiple guests getting

1024
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:55,620
charged $90 per person or $30 per person

1025
01:23:56,040 --> 01:23:59,680
for the amount of the ride that they've been charged

1026
01:23:59,680 --> 01:24:03,820
and that safety wise as well with just

1027
01:24:03,820 --> 01:24:08,180
writing super fast across our driveway along Harvard Drive.

1028
01:24:08,440 --> 01:24:10,440
Thank you very much.

1029
01:24:11,140 --> 01:24:14,120
Ian Sleva followed by Todd Condon.

1030
01:24:21,870 --> 01:24:24,070
Hello, I'm the nighttime manager for the Manchester

1031
01:24:24,070 --> 01:24:26,090
Grand Hyatt here in San Diego.

1032
01:24:27,790 --> 01:24:29,970
Again, I just appreciate the work that

1033
01:24:29,970 --> 01:24:32,570
is being put forth with the goals 1, 2, and 3,

1034
01:24:32,730 --> 01:24:34,330
and the agenda that's being put out.

1035
01:24:34,570 --> 01:24:36,770
I think this will address a lot of the issues

1036
01:24:36,770 --> 01:24:44,750
that we discover on our property as far as traffic infractions. Do agree with this gentleman

1037
01:24:44,750 --> 01:24:50,070
here that these drivers should be held accountable and hopefully that this ordinance that

1038
01:24:50,070 --> 01:24:54,790
is going to be put in place will hold drivers accountable and then so on and so forth

1039
01:24:54,790 --> 01:24:59,970
with accountability from the owners to the drivers and what forth. Just in addition to that

1040
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:29,280
That's all it's being asked is a respect and a regulation of the petty cabs. Expectations to be set so that we know how to enforce our private laws and work together with the local police department and to have citations written out or have infractions made as far as reporting certain drivers to have a record on there.

1041
01:25:30,300 --> 01:25:33,380
on their vehicles going to be very helpful.

1042
01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:38,240
Yes, again, I'll just reiterate just the different traffic

1043
01:25:38,780 --> 01:25:44,700
infractions, the as far as like directions, parking,

1044
01:25:44,900 --> 01:25:47,700
blocking traffic, it's all being addressed.

1045
01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:50,380
It looks like on your goals that are being set forth here

1046
01:25:50,380 --> 01:25:51,260
in the next six months.

1047
01:25:51,380 --> 01:25:54,180
And hopefully we can put some action to that.

1048
01:25:54,240 --> 01:25:56,560
And so that we can all just hold each other accountable

1049
01:25:56,560 --> 01:25:58,820
and hold the drivers and the petty calves accountable

1050
01:25:58,820 --> 01:26:01,220
for actions that are being taken.

1051
01:26:02,380 --> 01:26:07,560
Again, appreciate the work that's being done by the board and the board of the

1052
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:13,780
40 and be in support of anything where we can't work together with petty cabs and our

1053
01:26:13,780 --> 01:26:21,920
private businesses to provide business and to provide an income for those that are doing their

1054
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:24,440
own job and finding their own companies.

1055
01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:25,300
Thank you.

1056
01:26:25,960 --> 01:26:30,200
We have Todd Kondin, followed by Maria Polayo.

1057
01:26:37,780 --> 01:26:40,620
Good afternoon board of board of commissioners.

1058
01:26:40,820 --> 01:26:46,580
My name is Todd Kondin, I'm a director of security and safety at the Manchester Grand High at San Diego.

1059
01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:54,020
Welcome, glad to be here today and I fully support the program that was presented to us earlier.

1060
01:26:54,020 --> 01:26:58,940
I think it provides a great balance of supporting public safety

1061
01:26:58,940 --> 01:27:03,900
yet recognizing responsible operators in the field.

1062
01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:08,120
During my two months at being at the San Diego Manchester

1063
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:11,920
and observing some of the Petticab activity along the sidewalk,

1064
01:27:12,980 --> 01:27:16,980
several occasions where I've observed you have a Petticab

1065
01:27:16,980 --> 01:27:20,160
that's anywhere from four to five feet in width

1066
01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:23,300
about 180 pounds without anybody on it,

1067
01:27:23,380 --> 01:27:25,040
operating with an electric motor,

1068
01:27:25,520 --> 01:27:27,640
traveling sometimes 20 miles an hour.

1069
01:27:28,620 --> 01:27:31,840
We have visitors from the convention center

1070
01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:35,920
going from there to the area to the Manchester Grand

1071
01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:38,920
Highett, traveling in groups of 40 to 50.

1072
01:27:39,140 --> 01:27:41,500
Here comes a Petty Cab, two Petty Cab,

1073
01:27:41,620 --> 01:27:43,640
three Kit Petty Cabs on the side wall.

1074
01:27:44,240 --> 01:27:45,500
What are those pedestrians go?

1075
01:27:46,260 --> 01:27:47,600
They walk in a planner boxes.

1076
01:27:47,860 --> 01:27:49,420
They step out onto the street.

1077
01:27:49,420 --> 01:27:55,960
The sidewalk isn't made for the petty camps to travel, it's made for the pedestrians that

1078
01:27:55,960 --> 01:28:03,380
make use of the sidewalk area traveling from those hotels along the port businesses to

1079
01:28:03,380 --> 01:28:04,640
the convention center.

1080
01:28:05,980 --> 01:28:10,980
It presents a significant hazard for public safety that needs to be addressed.

1081
01:28:12,580 --> 01:28:17,480
The sidewalk cannot accommodate both pedestrians and the petty camps.

1082
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:24,160
Several occasions, we've seen them transitioning from space from the public sidewalk to the hotel driveway.

1083
01:28:24,680 --> 01:28:27,680
The operate one in the opposite direction of traffic.

1084
01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:31,120
When addressed, some are respectful.

1085
01:28:31,860 --> 01:28:35,140
Others continue on their way, come back and do the same thing again.

1086
01:28:35,580 --> 01:28:39,740
Transitioning onto the public sidewalks, onto private property.

1087
01:28:40,220 --> 01:28:44,040
It impacts our guests and manages the property with the risk.

1088
01:28:44,620 --> 01:28:46,080
Thank you, appreciate your attention.

1089
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:50,400
Maria Palayo, followed by Marshall Anderson?

1090
01:28:55,970 --> 01:28:56,450
Hi, good afternoon.

1091
01:28:57,010 --> 01:28:59,930
My name is Maria Palayo, Director of Rooms at Grand High at San Diego.

1092
01:29:00,390 --> 01:29:04,230
I am here today on behalf of our hotel and our tenants along the port.

1093
01:29:04,950 --> 01:29:08,030
To show and speak our support to the restrictions for petty caps.

1094
01:29:08,490 --> 01:29:11,630
As an operator, safety is of utmost importance.

1095
01:29:11,990 --> 01:29:16,450
We cannot welcome guests around the world if we cannot promise safety and will be.

1096
01:29:17,710 --> 01:29:19,530
Earlier this year, during the summer,

1097
01:29:19,530 --> 01:29:25,210
I personally witnessed an instance in which a motorized vehicle drove on to the sidewalk.

1098
01:29:26,070 --> 01:29:31,490
The speed in which he was driving was not only inappropriate, but it was also unsafe.

1099
01:29:31,950 --> 01:29:35,430
Around the corner, right-word, brute-thirty is located on Ketner.

1100
01:29:35,990 --> 01:29:38,990
There was a mother with her child who were driving on the sidewalk.

1101
01:29:39,330 --> 01:29:44,810
If the mother had not pulled her young child towards her, the petty kev would have hit him.

1102
01:29:45,130 --> 01:29:47,310
And then we would have witnessed an awful accident.

1103
01:29:47,310 --> 01:29:51,530
This is just one of the examples that we have to witness on a daily basis.

1104
01:29:51,910 --> 01:29:55,390
Now as operators, it is our responsibility to manage this.

1105
01:29:55,550 --> 01:29:58,430
But is this type of erratic behavior that needs to be restricted?

1106
01:29:59,030 --> 01:29:59,410
Thank you.

1107
01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:05,140
Commercial Anderson followed by Lisa Quarkus.

1108
01:30:08,360 --> 01:30:14,180
Thank you, commissioners. My name is Marshall Anderson. Today I'm speaking on behalf of the San Diego County

1109
01:30:14,180 --> 01:30:22,400
lodging association. As many of you know, the lodging association is overseas the regional lodging

1110
01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:28,520
and hospitality industry, which is responsible for thousands of local jobs and generates billions

1111
01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:34,920
of dollars and economic activity throughout the region. On behalf of the Association, we would

1112
01:30:34,920 --> 01:30:40,180
first like to thank staff for their work in bringing this item before you and ask for your

1113
01:30:40,180 --> 01:30:48,260
full support. As our members here today have told you, high speed, motorized vehicles in pedestrian

1114
01:30:48,260 --> 01:30:55,880
corridors present a tremendous threat to public safety. This common sense proposal before you

1115
01:30:55,880 --> 01:31:03,460
will help foster valid transportation options for residents and visitors alike, while preserving

1116
01:31:03,460 --> 01:31:10,620
the safety of pedestrians. Additionally, we would like to thank staff for addressing several

1117
01:31:10,620 --> 01:31:23,460
industry-specific concerns within the code of conduct, namely around amplified noise and the

1118
01:31:23,460 --> 01:31:30,320
and played throughout the day and night that impacts the guest experience, it disrupts conferences

1119
01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:34,320
and events and impedes one's ability to sleep.

1120
01:31:35,200 --> 01:31:40,500
For these reasons and those outlined in our October 9th submission, we urge your full

1121
01:31:40,500 --> 01:31:42,700
support today, and thank you for the time.

1122
01:31:45,350 --> 01:31:50,190
Lisa Crocuses followed by Donna Chang.

1123
01:32:01,330 --> 01:32:02,910
Thank you, everybody.

1124
01:32:05,310 --> 01:32:06,270
I am a dedicated driver.

1125
01:32:08,490 --> 01:32:11,450
We are not transportation and green energy.

1126
01:32:15,460 --> 01:32:16,260
We are entertainment.

1127
01:32:17,100 --> 01:32:20,720
We introduce Sandiugat to tourists and show them around.

1128
01:32:21,360 --> 01:32:22,880
We contribute Sandiugat region.

1129
01:32:25,200 --> 01:32:30,740
All the cabs, all the Uber drivers or all the Lyft drivers

1130
01:32:30,740 --> 01:32:37,620
going to shan, going to Hayat, going to Meriat, is very crowded, very more traffic. They

1131
01:32:37,620 --> 01:32:48,900
are locked, but we are green energy, we are not going there. I drop off the people, not in front

1132
01:32:48,900 --> 01:32:57,280
of the Hayat, not in front of the Meriat. Why? Where driver is going there? Lyft driver is going there.

1133
01:32:57,280 --> 01:33:04,220
A lot of Kebs is waiting in front of the, you see the traffic, more traffic, maybe three lines,

1134
01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:13,420
Hayat and Meriad, Pacific Highway, waiting a lot of Kebs, like that, waiting there.

1135
01:33:14,600 --> 01:33:20,920
We are environment, we are green energy, we have the people,

1136
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:24,940
but we are not waiting there,

1137
01:33:24,940 --> 01:33:36,180
We are not waiting area pedicures, but we get the permit from the city, but we are now

1138
01:33:36,180 --> 01:33:46,920
in the spot area, how can I work, how can I drive city, give me the permit, but I cannot

1139
01:33:46,920 --> 01:33:51,460
weighting, I cannot parking hotoss area,

1140
01:33:51,960 --> 01:34:01,580
Hilton, Merriad, Hayat, and also the other hotoss and fish market,

1141
01:34:02,680 --> 01:34:03,640
Harcan I work,

1142
01:34:05,680 --> 01:34:06,580
but share insight.

1143
01:34:07,000 --> 01:34:07,880
I'm expired.

1144
01:34:11,560 --> 01:34:14,980
We don't have a working or weighting area.

1145
01:34:14,980 --> 01:34:21,040
We want the parking area at the hotels and restaurants, increasing the number of the bicycle

1146
01:34:21,040 --> 01:34:25,420
pets and making bicycle pets is the best solution to the this problem.

1147
01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:27,240
Thank you.

1148
01:34:27,400 --> 01:34:28,040
Okay.

1149
01:34:28,660 --> 01:34:29,980
Thank you.

1150
01:34:31,000 --> 01:34:33,340
Donna Chung followed by Sean Robinson.

1151
01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:44,400
Good afternoon, Chair Castiano, commissioners, acting president,

1152
01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:46,620
Coniglio, and general counsel Russell.

1153
01:34:47,300 --> 01:34:50,940
My name is Donna Lynn Chung, hotel manager at the Marriott Marquis, San Diego,

1154
01:34:50,940 --> 01:34:59,620
Thank you commissioners for the opportunity to speak to you today in support of the resolution to eliminate all motorized vehicles from pedestrian pathways.

1155
01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:10,880
The petty cabs are unsafe as they repeatedly come up our front ramp in the wrong way. We even front of cars leaving our property, and then cross in front of guests walking through the crosswalk of harbor.

1156
01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:25,220
In the rear of our hotel, we're many of our guests walk and enjoy the embarcadero and the marina. These petty cabs are weaving around guests at high rates of speed while playing very loud music, some with very inappropriate language.

1157
01:35:25,220 --> 01:35:29,540
The drivers are verbally aggressive to our guests when trying to get writers.

1158
01:35:29,940 --> 01:35:31,580
They yell at them when they don't want to ride.

1159
01:35:31,900 --> 01:35:36,680
Our own staff are often yelled at and even verbally threatened when they ask pettycaps to leave.

1160
01:35:37,100 --> 01:35:39,800
I've been yelled at and told that they can do whatever they want.

1161
01:35:40,520 --> 01:35:44,420
We have many guests who complain about being charged more than what was agreed upon.

1162
01:35:44,680 --> 01:35:47,020
Complain about loud noise late at night.

1163
01:35:47,540 --> 01:35:51,700
I want to thank Ken Christine and the poor staff for their work and respectfully request the

1164
01:35:51,700 --> 01:35:55,940
for this resolution for both public safety and to improve our gas experience.

1165
01:35:56,320 --> 01:35:58,000
Thank you.

1166
01:35:58,360 --> 01:36:01,900
Sean Robinson, followed by Aden Puston,

1167
01:36:14,690 --> 01:36:15,830
to be upon Robinson.

1168
01:36:19,330 --> 01:36:21,230
Okay, we'll take Aden Puston.

1169
01:36:26,330 --> 01:36:27,790
Hello, thank you for the time today.

1170
01:36:27,830 --> 01:36:29,010
My name is Aden Puston.

1171
01:36:29,010 --> 01:36:35,510
I work with Ace Parking and we partner with several different hotels and retail businesses

1172
01:36:35,510 --> 01:36:37,090
within the Port of San Diego.

1173
01:36:38,630 --> 01:36:43,810
Over the last several months, our teams at the Marriott Marquis reported almost 40 incidents

1174
01:36:43,810 --> 01:36:45,910
and complaints regarding petty cabs.

1175
01:36:46,130 --> 01:36:51,390
These incidents include, but are not limited to obstructing driving lanes in the sidewalks,

1176
01:36:51,490 --> 01:36:57,030
incredibly loud and often offensive music, blocking access to 88 designated paths and

1177
01:36:57,030 --> 01:37:00,210
fire lanes, and non-regulated or posted pricing.

1178
01:37:01,470 --> 01:37:06,310
As a representative of San Diego's tourism efforts, we find this to be extremely deterring

1179
01:37:06,310 --> 01:37:09,470
for our visitors as it detracts from the guest experience.

1180
01:37:10,330 --> 01:37:12,670
Additionally, our team members must spend valuable time

1181
01:37:12,670 --> 01:37:14,490
constantly enforcing these rules

1182
01:37:14,490 --> 01:37:17,710
and supervising drivers instead of serving our guests.

1183
01:37:18,990 --> 01:37:21,490
For most of these instances, mentioned earlier,

1184
01:37:23,010 --> 01:37:27,710
our team had to ask the drivers to fix their actions multiple times.

1185
01:37:28,070 --> 01:37:31,210
This makes us believe that many drivers feel that there are no rules

1186
01:37:31,210 --> 01:37:32,190
for them.

1187
01:37:32,530 --> 01:37:34,530
Additional regulations must be implemented

1188
01:37:34,530 --> 01:37:39,390
if the city wants to continue developing to attract and retain more visitors.

1189
01:37:40,110 --> 01:37:44,850
Looking forward, if we do not enforce strict regulations, we anticipate the situation

1190
01:37:44,850 --> 01:37:46,670
will get worse and even more dangerous.

1191
01:37:47,530 --> 01:37:50,710
Our main reason for the proposed update is simple, safety.

1192
01:37:51,930 --> 01:37:56,510
Regulating motorized mobility transports and peticabs will improve the safety of not only the

1193
01:37:56,510 --> 01:38:01,330
pedestrians, but also our visiting guests, people with disabilities, San Diego residents,

1194
01:38:01,770 --> 01:38:02,930
as well as our AST members.

1195
01:38:03,470 --> 01:38:06,830
Petty Caves are a great way to explore and travel our beautiful city.

1196
01:38:07,230 --> 01:38:09,870
They should be a convenience rather than an intrusion.

1197
01:38:10,430 --> 01:38:13,470
Please consider our thoughts and thank you for listening to our side of the situation.

1198
01:38:14,110 --> 01:38:14,790
Thank you, Mr. Postun.

1199
01:38:14,950 --> 01:38:15,310
Thank you.

1200
01:38:16,070 --> 01:38:16,450
Next.

1201
01:38:16,790 --> 01:38:18,970
Sharon Cloud followed by Rob Arnold.

1202
01:38:25,080 --> 01:38:26,880
Good afternoon, commissioners.

1203
01:38:27,580 --> 01:38:29,460
I just wanted to say you heard from our tenants,

1204
01:38:29,700 --> 01:38:31,920
and I really appreciate listening to them.

1205
01:38:32,420 --> 01:38:34,060
And again, I want to thank Port Staff.

1206
01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:36,340
This is another one because a lot about reach.

1207
01:38:36,340 --> 01:38:41,100
You know, one of the things I thought about when we were talking about companies being responsible,

1208
01:38:41,100 --> 01:38:43,880
I know when I go to use a rental car.

1209
01:38:44,320 --> 01:38:46,940
They have my sign, my life away on that.

1210
01:38:46,960 --> 01:38:48,280
So I just want to bring that up.

1211
01:38:48,360 --> 01:38:51,980
You know, we do have rental businesses out there, and I'm sure you've all rented a car.

1212
01:38:52,500 --> 01:38:55,300
The port did do a diverse permit before.

1213
01:38:55,480 --> 01:38:56,720
We had companies involved.

1214
01:38:56,920 --> 01:38:59,960
We may want to look at how we did that because it was very successful.

1215
01:39:00,200 --> 01:39:04,000
We wanted to make sure our divers were being by what the laws that we had put in place.

1216
01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:08,020
So we may want to look into that, so I just offer that as a suggestion, but thank you.

1217
01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:09,140
Thank you.

1218
01:39:09,280 --> 01:39:09,600
It was card.

1219
01:39:10,300 --> 01:39:13,300
Mr. Rob Arnold followed by Janet Rogers.

1220
01:39:18,500 --> 01:39:18,840
Good afternoon.

1221
01:39:19,120 --> 01:39:19,520
Thank you.

1222
01:39:19,560 --> 01:39:20,360
My name is Rob Arnold.

1223
01:39:20,480 --> 01:39:22,060
Managing Director of the Radie Shell.

1224
01:39:22,400 --> 01:39:25,820
I'm here on behalf of the San Diego Symphony and Support of the Regulation.

1225
01:39:26,840 --> 01:39:28,360
The issues have been well documented.

1226
01:39:28,500 --> 01:39:30,860
I'd like to come and support the solution.

1227
01:39:31,740 --> 01:39:35,840
We have about a hundred events per year at the Radie Shell.

1228
01:39:35,840 --> 01:39:37,860
and I've been managing almost each of them.

1229
01:39:37,860 --> 01:39:39,700
And every one of them, since the inception,

1230
01:39:40,160 --> 01:39:42,620
I'd like to make it known that at every single event,

1231
01:39:42,880 --> 01:39:46,020
we place a petty cab staging area, a frame,

1232
01:39:46,660 --> 01:39:50,040
out of the direct way of the egress and emergency exits.

1233
01:39:50,360 --> 01:39:52,320
And in year one, and this is confirming

1234
01:39:52,320 --> 01:39:54,560
that the regulation will work year one,

1235
01:39:55,380 --> 01:39:58,040
they were abided by, that a frame was placed there

1236
01:39:58,040 --> 01:39:59,980
and the petty cabs lined up in that location.

1237
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:10,900
And our egress and our ADA loading and everything went very well. Over the years, that sign has been kind of hidden and lost in the minds of the operator.

1238
01:40:12,060 --> 01:40:21,120
So the influx of operators have taken over the ADA and the ride share locations, which creates a non-safe exit pathway for our guests.

1239
01:40:21,820 --> 01:40:27,080
So definitely want to just note that the regulation that's presented will work because I've seen it work.

1240
01:40:27,080 --> 01:40:36,860
Also trying to be collaborative with this effort. I invited one of the main pedicab operators down owners to to watch the beginning of our show on the exit

1241
01:40:36,860 --> 01:40:46,900
Pathways and to really just take their input into the solution as well and he was agreeable with the solution and things that that that was definitely would be a way to

1242
01:40:47,420 --> 01:40:51,880
Achieve what we're trying to do today here. So appreciate everybody's hard work that I've gone into

1243
01:40:51,880 --> 01:40:55,540
Creating this collaborative effort and thank you for your time

1244
01:40:57,080 --> 01:41:00,300
We have Janet Rogers followed by William J. Dorset.

1245
01:41:07,580 --> 01:41:08,220
Good afternoon.

1246
01:41:08,800 --> 01:41:10,780
I'm Janet Rogers with Safe Walkways.

1247
01:41:11,320 --> 01:41:13,480
We believe people had the right to walk safely

1248
01:41:13,480 --> 01:41:14,840
without fear of vehicles.

1249
01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:17,420
We applaud the poor parking division

1250
01:41:17,420 --> 01:41:21,460
and Christine loves efforts to remove all motorized vehicles

1251
01:41:21,460 --> 01:41:23,440
from the poor public walkways.

1252
01:41:23,860 --> 01:41:26,420
And we encourage you to pass the proposed regulation.

1253
01:41:27,060 --> 01:41:29,820
Motorized vehicles are too powerful and too fast

1254
01:41:29,820 --> 01:41:31,620
to cope mingle with pedestrians.

1255
01:41:31,620 --> 01:41:38,940
We agree with exempting mobility scooters for the disabled and at this point the segue guided tours.

1256
01:41:39,580 --> 01:41:45,840
The new version of this regulation shows the extra effort exerted to meet the board's direction for pedicaps.

1257
01:41:46,460 --> 01:41:54,560
Although we prefer all pedicaps removed from the walkways, we understand the historical basis for allowing pedal only operative vehicles.

1258
01:41:55,240 --> 01:41:58,720
As long as they continue and accident-free record, we don't object.

1259
01:41:58,720 --> 01:42:02,540
But if that changes, we expect you to ban them as well.

1260
01:42:03,200 --> 01:42:05,180
There is a lot to like about this ordinance.

1261
01:42:05,560 --> 01:42:09,680
The color coding of petit cab permits with big stickers is great.

1262
01:42:10,140 --> 01:42:15,220
Anyone on the walkway without a green sticker is operating the legally and should be reported.

1263
01:42:15,700 --> 01:42:18,780
It's easy for the police to identify offenders.

1264
01:42:19,440 --> 01:42:23,660
We agree that turning off the motor on the motorized vehicles is not acceptable.

1265
01:42:23,660 --> 01:42:27,240
Since it would lead to confusion and too many drivers not

1266
01:42:27,240 --> 01:42:30,120
compliant with the rules and leaving the motor on.

1267
01:42:30,440 --> 01:42:33,660
If the Petty Cab has a motor, they can't get a green walkway

1268
01:42:33,660 --> 01:42:37,240
sticker. That's the right solution. We would like to see the

1269
01:42:37,240 --> 01:42:40,540
pork coordinate with the city to use it's get it done app to

1270
01:42:40,540 --> 01:42:44,500
report Petty Cab's operating legally. A lot of people don't

1271
01:42:44,500 --> 01:42:47,720
know that the ports are different jurisdiction and may use the

1272
01:42:47,720 --> 01:42:51,120
city reporting system and you want to collect those reports.

1273
01:42:51,120 --> 01:42:56,700
The maps clearly mark where the pet only petty cabs are allowed and not allowed.

1274
01:42:57,240 --> 01:43:02,220
Bending them from the heavily trafficked pedestrian area is a great compromise.

1275
01:43:02,840 --> 01:43:08,080
The pet only petty cabs get access to enough walkways that the clients get a good ride.

1276
01:43:08,420 --> 01:43:11,140
Putting the responsibility on the petty cab owner.

1277
01:43:11,480 --> 01:43:12,280
Time is excellent.

1278
01:43:12,820 --> 01:43:14,460
Please pass this ordinance.

1279
01:43:14,680 --> 01:43:15,260
Thank you.

1280
01:43:15,800 --> 01:43:16,400
Thank you.

1281
01:43:16,400 --> 01:43:20,700
If William J. Dorset followed by Port Pat Moran?

1282
01:43:27,900 --> 01:43:30,160
Sorry, it's taken so long, I'm a little tall.

1283
01:43:31,400 --> 01:43:35,780
Okay, so I've been in the port since about 2004

1284
01:43:35,780 --> 01:43:38,880
I'm doing art and creative activities there.

1285
01:43:39,020 --> 01:43:43,620
And in that time, I have observed a lot of things with petty cabs.

1286
01:43:43,860 --> 01:43:47,520
Back when the J1s were there, it was like a thousand petty cabs

1287
01:43:47,520 --> 01:43:49,560
per mile of the port.

1288
01:43:49,560 --> 01:43:55,860
And the people that walked through, there was like way more people than you see nowadays.

1289
01:43:56,600 --> 01:44:00,540
It was like wall to wall, like shoulder to shoulder, you couldn't walk through.

1290
01:44:00,680 --> 01:44:03,460
And yet there was thousands of peticabs and somehow it worked.

1291
01:44:05,180 --> 01:44:10,520
Now there are people saying that the peticabs are causing these problems and those problems.

1292
01:44:10,700 --> 01:44:12,840
But I see the same thing with just bicycles.

1293
01:44:13,520 --> 01:44:20,460
bicycles have bike lanes, and they will confline up the parking lots, wrong way, and

1294
01:44:20,460 --> 01:44:25,760
when you try to drive in, you almost hit them. Human beings like zombies will walk

1295
01:44:25,760 --> 01:44:30,540
out into the street in front of traffic looking at their phones all day long.

1296
01:44:30,960 --> 01:44:35,900
You know, how are you going to regulate those things? Then let's go back to the

1297
01:44:35,900 --> 01:44:41,160
petty cabs. I have road petty cabs a lot, and the fun part of riding a petty cab is

1298
01:44:41,160 --> 01:44:46,600
being able to look at the waterfront as you're riding down the pedicab and you've got half

1299
01:44:46,600 --> 01:44:50,680
of the waterfront that people want to look at taking away and then they've got to look

1300
01:44:50,680 --> 01:44:56,600
at the vendors as they're riding on this far path because they're being put out where they

1301
01:44:56,600 --> 01:44:59,960
They are looking at the vendors and not the water, which is part of...

1302
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:29,980
The point of a pedicat. If they're going down the street, they can get a new ber for that. And then that's not very safe for the pedicabs or the riders being on the street. Secondly, I remember about six months ago that was a little girl lost. Before police were down there looking, before anything, there were four or five pedicabbers zipping up and down, looking for this little girl. I ran with the family looking. You know, there are a lot of people out there that were concerned and was worried about this little girl, because they're

1303
01:45:29,980 --> 01:45:36,180
of bad people out there, you know, and these, these guys, I'm inspired to watch my back when

1304
01:45:36,180 --> 01:45:41,180
I'm out there, you know. So keep in mind, there are people too, like think about their needs too.

1305
01:45:42,840 --> 01:45:46,100
We have Pat Moran, followed by a Christian Lopez.

1306
01:45:47,200 --> 01:45:53,740
All right, the pleasure to be here. I'm Petty Cat Pat. I started Petty Cabin and I October 2009

1307
01:45:53,740 --> 01:45:59,760
and I ended October 9th. I'm a full-time tap dancer right now. I see them in a little

1308
01:45:59,760 --> 01:46:04,980
Italy a lot and I'm doing a lot of travel. But I have a lot of interest in these new

1309
01:46:04,980 --> 01:46:11,280
regulations because of my friends in the industry and I see the potential for these new

1310
01:46:11,280 --> 01:46:16,680
regulations to be the best thing that's ever happened for everybody and I'll start up

1311
01:46:16,680 --> 01:46:22,200
addressing the people at the hotel with these new regulations. The signage on the outside of

1312
01:46:22,200 --> 01:46:28,740
heavy calves that has the rates should also have heavy cavern must give total fare before

1313
01:46:28,740 --> 01:46:29,520
the ride.

1314
01:46:29,840 --> 01:46:34,920
When the people at the hotels know that and they get a disgruntled group that comes back

1315
01:46:34,920 --> 01:46:40,420
and said we were charged $300 to go for the gas land to the high agency, they're going

1316
01:46:40,420 --> 01:46:42,600
to be told you can contest that.

1317
01:46:42,640 --> 01:46:48,400
You can challenge that credit card because nobody pays cash for that and they'll also know

1318
01:46:48,400 --> 01:46:52,180
that the app is very key to this whole program here.

1319
01:46:52,180 --> 01:46:53,660
It's community policing.

1320
01:46:54,480 --> 01:46:56,680
The petty cabers that are doing it right,

1321
01:46:56,820 --> 01:46:58,900
the general public, everybody.

1322
01:46:59,500 --> 01:47:03,080
And I can see in a year, when that new hotel opens

1323
01:47:03,080 --> 01:47:07,280
across from the midway, a petty cab stand for three petty cabs

1324
01:47:07,280 --> 01:47:10,040
there and I view the dorm in there.

1325
01:47:10,300 --> 01:47:13,500
With that port of San Diego logo on there,

1326
01:47:13,800 --> 01:47:17,620
being the one that indicates that this is a petty cab

1327
01:47:17,620 --> 01:47:23,400
can trust, and the rides that could go to little Italy, the gas land, the convention center,

1328
01:47:23,880 --> 01:47:29,740
they can use the motors, they can play the music at the reasonable levels, and they can

1329
01:47:29,740 --> 01:47:37,660
give people an experience with the petty cab that is a lasting memory, so there could be a lot of

1330
01:47:37,660 --> 01:47:43,180
money that comes out of that. That can be the reward that the petty cabers get for doing it right,

1331
01:47:43,180 --> 01:47:51,220
And I also think that you can look at making that South End of Seaport village hybrid as soon as possible.

1332
01:47:51,880 --> 01:47:54,340
Because I believe that the app, the South Police,

1333
01:47:55,920 --> 01:48:00,460
to detect those that are cheating, would be a parent. I appreciate the time.

1334
01:48:01,500 --> 01:48:04,140
Christian Lopez followed by Janet Callow.

1335
01:48:14,170 --> 01:48:18,370
Good afternoon, I'd like to address I'm a pedicabber and pedicabber for six years.

1336
01:48:18,370 --> 01:48:26,910
I started pedaling, but then when we got the motors in there after COVID, it has been

1337
01:48:26,910 --> 01:48:32,730
something of, I made it a work a lot more freely now, you know, when you work

1338
01:48:32,730 --> 01:48:39,010
pedicabs, when you're pedaling, it takes a toll on your body, and then you're talking

1339
01:48:39,010 --> 01:48:45,670
about oversight and overseeing yet we don't have any benefits coming towards us, we don't

1340
01:48:45,670 --> 01:48:53,120
bike lanes that you know I heard like a combo they took a bunch of parking structures to make a bike lane

1341
01:48:53,630 --> 01:48:58,510
but a green bike lane you're talking about electrify San Diego yeah we're an electrify entity

1342
01:48:58,510 --> 01:49:05,590
equal friendly we try to give people the best rides tourism yes I understand we have to identify bad actors

1343
01:49:05,590 --> 01:49:11,750
and people that are acting outside of purview in terms of you know how they charge or how they act

1344
01:49:11,750 --> 01:49:14,390
But there's things that that could be done.

1345
01:49:14,630 --> 01:49:16,190
You could throw out all the speed limit.

1346
01:49:16,470 --> 01:49:17,570
You could put a bike lane.

1347
01:49:17,730 --> 01:49:21,910
You could do things that are not invasive to the driver because

1348
01:49:21,910 --> 01:49:26,510
the boardwalk is quintessential for us, giving a good tour.

1349
01:49:27,010 --> 01:49:28,650
I understand the grievances from the hotels

1350
01:49:28,650 --> 01:49:31,530
and I understand that we need to create a safe place.

1351
01:49:32,130 --> 01:49:35,010
But the way we do so is by everyone working together

1352
01:49:35,010 --> 01:49:38,190
because we don't have the backing of a billion-dollar corporation,

1353
01:49:38,190 --> 01:49:45,010
like how it, like ace, like Mary got marquee, they have the feds of lawyers. We're only one person, personally.

1354
01:49:45,710 --> 01:49:51,590
And when you're trying to do oversight of things that you know how we do, when we're independent drivers,

1355
01:49:52,270 --> 01:49:59,190
when we don't have health benefits, when we don't have any protections, you're talking about destroying our livelihoods.

1356
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:17,180
For something that's not existing, there hasn't been any incidents of safety. I invite any one of you, sorry. I invite any one of you to come right with me. I'll show you personally. I'll take you around the Harvard. I'll show you around. I'll tell you the grievances. I'll do myself. I won't charge you.

1357
01:50:17,240 --> 01:50:20,480
I make it by her. Okay. Thank you. Thank you for your time.

1358
01:50:21,400 --> 01:50:25,160
Janet Callow followed by a last call for Sean Robinson.

1359
01:50:30,360 --> 01:50:32,480
Good afternoon. My name is Janet Callow.

1360
01:50:32,540 --> 01:50:35,820
I'm the junior staff cometer for the upward voting club.

1361
01:50:37,360 --> 01:50:42,160
We assist the port with taking care of the launch ramp by keeping it clean

1362
01:50:42,160 --> 01:50:44,080
and keeping the traffic moving.

1363
01:50:44,800 --> 01:50:51,000
We stand a formal ramp duty from May through October 10 hours a day.

1364
01:50:51,080 --> 01:50:53,420
Saturday and Sunday and I'm there almost every day.

1365
01:50:53,420 --> 01:50:57,360
We've had trouble all summer with groups of e-bikes

1366
01:50:57,360 --> 01:51:02,640
running through the launch ramp and taking over the

1367
01:51:02,640 --> 01:51:03,780
pedestrian promenade,

1368
01:51:05,820 --> 01:51:08,480
which boxes in the basin,

1369
01:51:08,800 --> 01:51:13,360
which is for pedestrian viewing platform.

1370
01:51:18,640 --> 01:51:23,140
So I'm in favor of this ordinance to get the e-bikes

1371
01:51:23,140 --> 01:51:27,040
out of the pedestrian areas.

1372
01:51:28,480 --> 01:51:31,080
I saw the funny thing this morning on television,

1373
01:51:31,500 --> 01:51:33,260
a channel panel that was interviewing the fellow

1374
01:51:33,260 --> 01:51:39,340
who wanted to recent, the order to lift the ban on e-bikes

1375
01:51:39,340 --> 01:51:42,600
on the boardwalk, a mission ban, or saw that.

1376
01:51:42,980 --> 01:51:45,360
But there were intervenes, had he had all these petitions,

1377
01:51:45,460 --> 01:51:47,140
and that they would be really good,

1378
01:51:47,920 --> 01:51:50,220
and we should let him be on the pedestrian pathways,

1379
01:51:50,220 --> 01:51:58,420
and behind him, the camera pan to the pedestrian walkway and there was two e-bikes coming

1380
01:51:58,420 --> 01:52:08,760
on through the sidewalk and it moved. This fellow who was walking his dog off of the sidewalk.

1381
01:52:10,360 --> 01:52:14,800
Actually, step off the sidewalk. So thank you very much.

1382
01:52:15,760 --> 01:52:16,520
Thank you.

1383
01:52:16,680 --> 01:52:22,060
Now we have a last call for Sean Robinson as they have they rejoined us.

1384
01:52:24,040 --> 01:52:27,520
Seeing no one, that concludes public comment.

1385
01:52:30,120 --> 01:52:30,500
Thank you.

1386
01:52:30,600 --> 01:52:34,220
I'll close the public hearing and move on to Commissioner comments and questions.

1387
01:52:34,720 --> 01:52:35,340
Commissioner Malcolm.

1388
01:52:36,400 --> 01:52:36,980
Thank you, Chair.

1389
01:52:37,800 --> 01:52:45,580
And I want to start by thanking both all the pedicab owners and operators that have been throughout this process.

1390
01:52:45,580 --> 01:52:50,180
Not just today, but I believe we're in the third board meeting on this for your testimony.

1391
01:52:50,820 --> 01:52:57,880
I also want to thank the port tenants, the hotels for your testimony and for your take on the situation.

1392
01:52:58,360 --> 01:53:00,940
And I particularly want to thank our staff.

1393
01:53:02,300 --> 01:53:04,880
You got added in one of your PowerPoint slides.

1394
01:53:05,260 --> 01:53:08,780
There have been multiple times of public outreach.

1395
01:53:09,400 --> 01:53:13,940
Seven times, I believe, 77 people over the course of many months.

1396
01:53:13,940 --> 01:53:18,660
Which is the way that we do it at the Port of San Diego before we do an ordinance like this.

1397
01:53:18,720 --> 01:53:24,480
We do a lot of public outreach and we talk to a lot of people and then we make data-driven decisions.

1398
01:53:25,520 --> 01:53:31,300
And what's happening here today is really the port operating at a very highest priority,

1399
01:53:31,580 --> 01:53:35,160
which is promoting, improving and protecting public safety.

1400
01:53:36,220 --> 01:53:41,140
That is our number one priority, is a board and what we do around the port.

1401
01:53:41,140 --> 01:53:48,240
And we also want to enhance guest experiences, so that is part of what we do as well, but it's got to be done safely.

1402
01:53:48,680 --> 01:53:59,680
And I want to say at the outset that I know and staff knows that there are many petty cab operators and owners that are doing it right.

1403
01:54:00,220 --> 01:54:05,540
That are actually watching out for public safety that are operating in a responsible way.

1404
01:54:05,540 --> 01:54:10,060
And I want to acknowledge that, and acknowledge the fact that you make your living doing this,

1405
01:54:10,180 --> 01:54:16,180
and you're providing a valuable guest experience, so that is something that is understood.

1406
01:54:17,060 --> 01:54:22,580
But you have to understand that there are other operators out there that are not acting responsibly.

1407
01:54:23,500 --> 01:54:31,960
And we have had many, many circumstances and testimony by our portent and others of some

1408
01:54:31,960 --> 01:54:38,700
your responsible behavior, and that is why the Port of San Diego is stepping into this space as

1409
01:54:38,700 --> 01:54:48,980
is our obligation to regulate a space to protect public safety. Now, is luck or unlock would have it.

1410
01:54:49,820 --> 01:54:56,880
I was, I mean, it's kind of ironic. I was down, it ports I'd peer to this Saturday. We had two

1411
01:54:56,880 --> 01:54:59,980
ships in, about a Disney ship and I don't know how to do it.

1412
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:29,860
I think the other ship was a princess. I'm not sure. And we had fleet week, and it was incredibly crowded. We had a line of Disney passengers along the boardwalk, waiting to get on the ship. And I was actually standing right by portside pier, ready to go into Miguel's restaurant. And I saw a petty cab come up with learned music, weave through the crowd, motorize, and stop right in front of portside pier. And I thought, you know what,

1413
01:55:29,860 --> 01:55:38,240
with all the people that were out, I was a little bit nervous at the speed and then the sound of what I saw.

1414
01:55:39,100 --> 01:55:48,420
So it was just, you know, it was just me personally seeing it through my own eyes, something that I thought, you know, that behavior should be regulated.

1415
01:55:49,520 --> 01:55:58,020
Now, I want to say that I heard the operator talking about independent contractor versus employee.

1416
01:55:58,020 --> 01:56:02,540
I don't want to get into the legal aspect, but you actually made the case of why the Port

1417
01:56:02,540 --> 01:56:07,520
of San Diego should be doing regulation, because maybe you're maybe not, you can't tell

1418
01:56:07,520 --> 01:56:11,760
your operators that you rent to how to do their business, but you know what you certainly

1419
01:56:11,760 --> 01:56:13,900
can say, you can say that they can't break the law.

1420
01:56:14,780 --> 01:56:20,900
And what we're talking about here is putting a lot into effect to protect the public and

1421
01:56:20,900 --> 01:56:32,900
two still provide a guest experience. So just a couple of comments on the cost. We're collecting.

1422
01:56:33,240 --> 01:56:39,780
I believe you said a hundred and a 25% a hundred and eighty three dollars a month. Is that right?

1423
01:56:40,760 --> 01:56:45,460
Kim Wallace for the record. It's a hundred and eighty three dollars per year. Oh, per year, per year. Okay.

1424
01:56:46,220 --> 01:56:50,240
So, $183 per year, per petty cat, correct?

1425
01:56:50,540 --> 01:56:55,200
Okay, all right, and that is roughly 25 percent.

1426
01:56:55,200 --> 01:56:57,320
That's going to cover 25 percent of our costs.

1427
01:56:57,860 --> 01:57:00,300
So, by my rough back of the nap in calculation,

1428
01:57:00,980 --> 01:57:03,780
it's still going to cost a $437,000 roughly.

1429
01:57:04,000 --> 01:57:05,820
Got to operate the program in the first year.

1430
01:57:06,660 --> 01:57:10,940
Okay, all right, so just to all of you out there,

1431
01:57:10,940 --> 01:57:14,040
you know, understanding that it's going to be more money,

1432
01:57:14,040 --> 01:57:18,200
a little bit more money and fees per year, but the Port of San Diego is also subsidizing.

1433
01:57:18,940 --> 01:57:24,520
I think that that does strike a fair balance in my mind on the costs.

1434
01:57:25,800 --> 01:57:30,520
I also want you to know, I'm going to make the same comment here that I made on the last

1435
01:57:30,520 --> 01:57:37,400
on the vendors that we are going to do, and I heard you say we are going to do an evaluation

1436
01:57:37,400 --> 01:57:45,860
of the program in a years time, and actually we're going to be continually evaluating this ordinance as we go along.

1437
01:57:46,680 --> 01:57:52,200
And if we find things in the ordinance that don't work, don't make sense, could make it better,

1438
01:57:52,740 --> 01:57:57,620
could help petty cabers, could increase public safety, we're going to take those things into account,

1439
01:57:57,660 --> 01:58:02,600
and I'm sure that those will show back up at a board meeting, so I want to encourage that.

1440
01:58:02,600 --> 01:58:27,720
But I've got to say overall, I am in support of this program, and I just want to say to the pettycat people, I want to ask you all the best thing you can do for your business is to police yourselves, to watch your drivers, to make sure that they're acting responsibly.

1441
01:58:27,720 --> 01:58:31,320
And if you do that, we can all live in harmony.

1442
01:58:31,640 --> 01:58:34,200
You can still provide that guest experience,

1443
01:58:34,460 --> 01:58:37,100
you can still earn a living, you can operate

1444
01:58:37,100 --> 01:58:40,080
within the rules, watch yourselves.

1445
01:58:40,240 --> 01:58:42,280
And that way, we don't have to do it.

1446
01:58:42,800 --> 01:58:46,240
The last thing you want is for us to be back here,

1447
01:58:46,260 --> 01:58:47,860
putting more regulations on.

1448
01:58:47,980 --> 01:58:51,340
So I would just really, in the spirit of,

1449
01:58:51,640 --> 01:58:54,040
we all want to operate and work together here.

1450
01:58:54,060 --> 01:58:56,020
I would really ask you to consider that

1451
01:58:56,020 --> 01:58:59,100
take that seriously, as you move forward with your business.

1452
01:58:59,740 --> 01:59:00,480
Thank you.

1453
01:59:02,090 --> 01:59:04,210
Thank you, Commissioner Malcolm, Commissioner or Tasson.

1454
01:59:04,570 --> 01:59:05,410
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

1455
01:59:06,950 --> 01:59:08,890
Your comments are right on.

1456
01:59:09,570 --> 01:59:11,870
We're faced with, we have to regulate it.

1457
01:59:11,870 --> 01:59:13,490
That's just all there is to it.

1458
01:59:13,910 --> 01:59:17,810
And I do encourage the petty cab owners to do the same thing.

1459
01:59:18,170 --> 01:59:21,310
I say, when I rent a unit out on my rentals,

1460
01:59:21,910 --> 01:59:25,370
I have expectations on what my tenants can and cannot do.

1461
01:59:25,370 --> 01:59:39,110
And I just can't buy that we can't tell, you know, rely or that the owners can't rely on their expectations to tell those operators on what they can and cannot do while they're running those.

1462
01:59:39,590 --> 01:59:40,970
I too have seen the abuses.

1463
01:59:41,830 --> 01:59:46,490
Staff, a pod, which you guys have done, I've got a couple questions for you if I could.

1464
01:59:46,490 --> 01:59:55,670
Number one is, it seems to me that you indicated that the costs very greatly amongst operators, is that right?

1465
01:59:58,380 --> 01:59:59,760
Well, there's...

1466
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:15,860
There's different, so there's some petty cab companies that have as many as 130 cabs, and then there's some have 25, and then we have some that are independent, just they have just one, and so our cost, we're charging them is cost per cab.

1467
02:00:16,020 --> 02:00:23,200
Yeah, let me try to clarify my question. The rates, the rates that they charge, they vary, don't they?

1468
02:00:23,200 --> 02:00:27,420
Yes, they do, we, I'm sorry, Ken Wallace for the record.

1469
02:00:28,160 --> 02:00:35,700
We canvased various pedicab companies and we found rates anywhere from 10 bucks per person

1470
02:00:35,700 --> 02:00:45,040
to $100 per person, depending on what the time of year may be, what the event may be.

1471
02:00:45,800 --> 02:00:53,700
Also, for the petal-only peticabs, they tended to be cheaper, 10 to 15 dollars per person.

1472
02:00:54,420 --> 02:00:56,020
So there is quite a bit of variation.

1473
02:00:56,560 --> 02:00:58,100
Yeah, I think the answer is yes.

1474
02:00:58,660 --> 02:01:00,000
It's in the staff report, isn't it?

1475
02:01:00,280 --> 02:01:00,820
Yes, that's correct.

1476
02:01:00,960 --> 02:01:06,240
You mentioned that there's a great variety of pricing that goes on there.

1477
02:01:07,180 --> 02:01:10,700
Did we consider any kind of regulation on that?

1478
02:01:11,860 --> 02:01:18,020
Again, Ken Wallace for the record, we discussed it internally, we don't regulate third-party

1479
02:01:18,020 --> 02:01:24,220
pricing in any of our other businesses, so we weren't going forward with any proposals.

1480
02:01:24,640 --> 02:01:29,400
Fair enough, there are some cities that regulate their calves on what they can charge

1481
02:01:29,400 --> 02:01:35,820
and what have you, but I can understand and respect what you're coming from, but the regulation

1482
02:01:35,820 --> 02:01:38,300
that we have to have in place here is a must.

1483
02:01:38,300 --> 02:01:49,200
Now, I think in the staff who put you also indicate that you will require an insurance policy from these operators.

1484
02:01:49,620 --> 02:01:50,080
Is that right?

1485
02:01:51,770 --> 02:01:53,170
Christine Love for the record.

1486
02:01:54,150 --> 02:02:00,950
The city of San Diego requires a million dollar additional insured policy and we would basically require to match that.

1487
02:02:00,950 --> 02:02:07,950
So if they applied with us, they'd have to prove that they have that in place, and then they

1488
02:02:07,950 --> 02:02:12,150
once they are under agreement with us, they'd have to add us as additional insurance.

1489
02:02:12,190 --> 02:02:13,430
Okay, that was my question.

1490
02:02:13,870 --> 02:02:14,610
That was my question.

1491
02:02:14,630 --> 02:02:16,030
I didn't see that in the staff report.

1492
02:02:16,410 --> 02:02:19,130
You are requiring, okay, okay, very good.

1493
02:02:19,130 --> 02:02:20,510
It's in the ordinance as well.

1494
02:02:20,710 --> 02:02:20,890
Perfect.

1495
02:02:21,350 --> 02:02:22,290
Okay, great.

1496
02:02:23,530 --> 02:02:28,530
Commissioners, here's where I'm coming from, and I think that I wanted to ask the gentleman,

1497
02:02:28,530 --> 02:02:34,490
law enforcement, you know, of the Harvard police, if you, if they agree with this, when

1498
02:02:34,490 --> 02:02:41,110
we first start this, assuming this gets past today, we're going to need a lot of law enforcement

1499
02:02:41,110 --> 02:02:48,430
assistance. That's just the bottom line. When we read about all the violations that occur from

1500
02:02:48,430 --> 02:02:53,870
various people that tell us whether it's at the Radishel or other places that they tell us,

1501
02:02:53,870 --> 02:02:55,890
the kind of violations that are occurring,

1502
02:02:56,470 --> 02:02:59,310
there's clearly some bad players in Commissioner Malcolm said,

1503
02:02:59,390 --> 02:03:01,130
look, there's some people that are great

1504
02:03:01,130 --> 02:03:02,850
that are abiding by all the rules,

1505
02:03:03,230 --> 02:03:05,650
but we know that there's some bad apples there

1506
02:03:05,650 --> 02:03:08,390
that are aren't abiding by the rules and are violating the rules.

1507
02:03:08,510 --> 02:03:11,570
We're going to need a law enforcement's help, initially.

1508
02:03:12,250 --> 02:03:14,490
At least initially to make sure

1509
02:03:14,490 --> 02:03:16,770
that people are living under the rules,

1510
02:03:16,950 --> 02:03:19,290
whatever this board decides going forward.

1511
02:03:20,510 --> 02:03:23,850
So, I want to make sure that you guys are comfortable with that,

1512
02:03:25,210 --> 02:03:26,830
Thank you for the question, Commissioner.

1513
02:03:27,230 --> 02:03:32,370
Director Jonathan George, a Harvard police captain, I think it's a very valid point, especially

1514
02:03:32,370 --> 02:03:37,970
early on with all the complexities that are built into this ordinance versus our past ordinance.

1515
02:03:39,090 --> 02:03:45,790
To your point and to your question, we do already have plans in place as this build out.

1516
02:03:46,110 --> 02:03:51,530
It goes further and further down the line when signages up, and once we can begin the warning process,

1517
02:03:51,530 --> 02:03:59,170
and the gradual progressive process to eventually issue citations, if and when it's appropriate

1518
02:03:59,170 --> 02:04:06,730
past February, there will be plans to staff specific to the ordinance earlier on, as we've

1519
02:04:06,730 --> 02:04:09,730
kind of experienced with the oversized vehicle ordinance and some of the other ordinances

1520
02:04:09,730 --> 02:04:16,490
in the past, that tends to help drive home the message of the seriousness of it when it

1521
02:04:16,490 --> 02:04:24,910
starts. However, the goal isn't to use that as the primary enforcement tool. As I think

1522
02:04:24,910 --> 02:04:31,550
if others have mentioned, there is a two branch approach to this administratively and

1523
02:04:31,550 --> 02:04:38,410
through law enforcement processes to kind of drive home the point that we want self-regulation

1524
02:04:38,410 --> 02:04:44,090
however, when officers are in the area and see and witness violations they will have the authority

1525
02:04:44,090 --> 02:04:52,730
to site on multiple sections with the goal being that education first citation after that

1526
02:04:52,730 --> 02:04:57,370
occurred to give everyone a chance to hopefully self-regulate. So, it's a long way of saying yes,

1527
02:04:57,810 --> 02:04:59,970
and we do have plans in place to help out.

1528
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:06,900
That happened on once February comes on. Thank you. Thank you for that. Look, I too wish that we didn't have to deal with this.

1529
02:05:07,100 --> 02:05:17,240
I wish that we didn't have to regulate the industry, but the fact is is that we not only heard from the tenants, but others, that there's, there's, there's an abuse of the system.

1530
02:05:17,340 --> 02:05:29,020
And we can't just turn a blind eye to that. We're going to have to move forward with, it's some sort of regulation here to make it sure that it's safe not only for the people that are writing,

1531
02:05:29,020 --> 02:05:36,340
But the people that are walking the sidewalks, the people that are just coming in down and enjoying it both residences and visitors alike

1532
02:05:36,340 --> 02:05:38,480
So I'll be supporting them as sure.

1533
02:05:40,580 --> 02:05:41,800
Okay, thank you.

1534
02:05:42,140 --> 02:05:45,940
Any other commissioners would like to ask questions or make comments?

1535
02:05:47,920 --> 02:05:48,440
Thank you.

1536
02:05:48,440 --> 02:05:49,100
Thank you, Chairman.

1537
02:05:49,980 --> 02:05:52,400
There are two things that are today that really stood out.

1538
02:05:52,520 --> 02:05:59,380
The first one was from Janet Rogers about creating some type of communication with the city of San Diego

1539
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that there may be confusion, I guess, between the reporting systems and that, I think, given our

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alignment in terms of the fees and requiring that they have a permit from the city before they

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02:06:11,140 --> 02:06:14,620
can get one from us, that there should be some type of communication and accountability.

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02:06:15,200 --> 02:06:20,780
And so as we're collecting data, I hope that that's one of the things that we're able to do

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is make sure that our systems are communicating together.

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02:06:23,900 --> 02:06:40,840
The other thing was from Pat Moran, where he said that there should be some type of indication on the cabs that talks about that the operator must give the total fare before the ride, and I think that that should also be incorporated.

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02:06:41,740 --> 02:06:51,440
And then the last thing, you know, just looking at the report that you all provided in all of the hard work that you've done on this issue, I really think that there should be some type of orientation for all operators.

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I think there's a responsibility on the part of the owners, but also I think we should also share some of that responsibility with the operators by making sure that they are accountable for the routes for the driveways or unpermitted areas regarding them blocking ADA designated areas as well.

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02:07:10,160 --> 02:07:21,060
But some responsibility to make sure that all of the operators receive some type of orientation as a part of receiving their permit and their aware of what the rules are,

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02:07:21,060 --> 02:07:24,980
what the expectations are and they're individually responsible for that.

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02:07:28,540 --> 02:07:29,320
Thank you very much.

1550
02:07:29,620 --> 02:07:30,720
I'll just say a few things.

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02:07:31,660 --> 02:07:36,560
Again, thank you to all my colleagues for their comments and staff.

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02:07:37,160 --> 02:07:40,420
I just like the vendors' ordinance.

1553
02:07:40,660 --> 02:07:43,420
This has been a lot of iterations and a lot of work.

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02:07:43,840 --> 02:07:49,000
And I appreciate you continuing to make adjustments to the proposed ordinance.

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02:07:49,000 --> 02:07:55,860
Ordinance, if the Petty Cab drivers and operators will recall, the first time this came to us,

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02:07:56,160 --> 02:08:01,920
South's recommendation was to ban Petty Cabs period, basically.

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02:08:03,160 --> 02:08:11,100
And the commission didn't think that was a good idea, and see the value in Petty Cabs as an additional mode of transportation.

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02:08:12,260 --> 02:08:15,880
I think I shared this last time we talked about this.

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02:08:15,880 --> 02:08:23,300
one of my very good friends and his family came and visited a couple months ago and they were

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02:08:23,300 --> 02:08:29,460
staying in a hotel here on the waterfront and they had made a dinner reservation and it was getting close

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02:08:29,460 --> 02:08:34,180
to the dinner reservation. They said, don't worry, we got plenty of temple take one of the bikes and I said,

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I'm not writing a bike right now. I've had a couple cocktails and that was not going to be a good idea.

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02:08:38,460 --> 02:08:43,280
and said, no, no, no, no, no, the ones where they pedal for you.

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02:08:45,300 --> 02:08:46,120
It's good.

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02:08:46,280 --> 02:08:47,520
The petty cabs are good.

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02:08:49,000 --> 02:08:50,000
We had a great experience.

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02:08:50,080 --> 02:08:53,840
We got in the petty cab, the petty cab driver gave the kids sunglasses.

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02:08:54,180 --> 02:08:56,240
He did have music, he was wearing a costume.

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02:08:56,860 --> 02:08:57,740
It was cool.

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02:08:58,060 --> 02:08:58,820
They liked it.

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02:08:58,940 --> 02:08:59,820
I liked it.

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02:08:59,820 --> 02:09:00,500
It's important.

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02:09:01,580 --> 02:09:08,440
But we do need to make sure that people are having a positive experience.

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02:09:09,140 --> 02:09:13,060
and that the negative aspects are regulated.

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02:09:13,940 --> 02:09:16,300
We've become a victim of our own success in many ways

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02:09:16,300 --> 02:09:17,040
on the waterfront.

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02:09:17,080 --> 02:09:18,840
We've seen this with a number of different areas

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02:09:18,840 --> 02:09:20,560
where we've had to regulate this here.

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02:09:20,860 --> 02:09:22,300
The shell is a huge success.

1580
02:09:22,560 --> 02:09:24,300
People are blocking the fire lanes.

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02:09:24,860 --> 02:09:26,140
It's become a public safety issue.

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02:09:27,520 --> 02:09:29,540
We're going to have more and more and more people

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02:09:29,540 --> 02:09:30,740
coming down to the waterfront.

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02:09:30,900 --> 02:09:33,080
And that's what we're in the business of doing

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02:09:33,080 --> 02:09:35,900
is activating the waterfront, bringing people to the waterfront.

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02:09:36,300 --> 02:09:36,940
That's good for everybody.

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02:09:37,660 --> 02:09:54,340
But with that comes more opportunity for friction, for tension, for conflicts, and so we have to work hard, working with all of the stakeholders to try to regulate things in a reasonable way and a fairway, it's not easy to do it.

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02:09:54,920 --> 02:09:59,960
We're going to learn, we're going to try to improve, it's impossible to come out of the gate with a...

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02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:07,800
Perfect regime, that addresses everybody interest, but we're committed to making modifications on an ongoing

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02:10:07,800 --> 02:10:15,020
basis to get the best possible regulatory scheme for this industry as possible, so that everybody can

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02:10:15,020 --> 02:10:28,700
coexist in the best way possible. So thank you very much for all of your work and for all of the

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02:10:28,700 --> 02:10:38,340
correcting staff to develop an execute short term operating agreements. I understand that we don't need a motion for that as long as the direction in the consensus of the board exists for that

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02:10:38,340 --> 02:10:49,070
I think that's the case based on what I've heard. So with that being said I'll take a motion in a second on item A the resolution.

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02:10:53,130 --> 02:10:55,210
So moved. Please vote.

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02:10:57,930 --> 02:11:02,670
Motion passed unanimously with commissioners of ket excuse. Thank you.

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02:11:02,670 --> 02:11:09,610
We will now consider item B, which is the adoption of the ordinance,

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so move please vote.

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Motion passed unanimously with commissioners.

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02:11:17,440 --> 02:11:19,680
Okay, thank you.

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02:11:30,000 --> 02:11:35,620
Okay, so we Commissioner Tassen has to leave today at five o'clock.

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02:11:36,140 --> 02:11:41,500
So I'm going to exercise my prerogative and move the agenda around a little bit.

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02:11:41,500 --> 02:11:53,500
We will now move on to agenda item 15 on the action agenda, a resolution electing chairperson, vice chairperson, and secretary of the board, a poor commissioners for 2024.

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Since a staff report is not required for this item, we will move straight to public comment before I entertain a motion for nominations.

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02:12:07,360 --> 02:12:09,040
Do we have any public comment on this item?

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02:12:09,040 --> 02:12:19,980
We do, we have 11 voice mails and several in-person speakers will start with, you want to start with the in-person or voice mails.

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02:12:20,080 --> 02:12:23,040
Okay, we'll start with the voice mails, we will have in-voice mails.

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02:12:37,040 --> 02:12:42,380
Hello, this lecture is concerning an action agenda. I am a team, my name is Toperin Giddle

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02:12:42,380 --> 02:12:47,360
and I'm a professor at Bethany, Development at the University of San Diego. I had the

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02:12:47,360 --> 02:12:50,860
privilege of working with Fendi and I'm all over the past five years and even partner

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02:12:50,860 --> 02:12:54,700
with her to give the course of San Diego into one of my graduate classes on these visualizations

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02:12:54,700 --> 02:12:59,740
and analytics of that client. I have always known how to be a fierce and intelligent

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02:12:59,740 --> 02:13:05,660
and dedicated public servant. I've read the report that served as the basis for a commission

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02:13:05,660 --> 02:13:09,600
on how the Center, though, I am not for the T-Roll and closed sessions.

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02:13:10,420 --> 02:13:16,020
Frankly, I find it exciting to be the minimum and seek more to her review and perhaps

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02:13:16,020 --> 02:13:21,240
a stylistic difference between her and any board members meant any substantive issue.

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02:13:22,500 --> 02:13:26,140
Having served on many boards, and to many myself, I understand that integration reaction,

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02:13:26,340 --> 02:13:32,560
but they changed into cans of books, but from the outside, the optics, the board simply

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02:13:32,560 --> 02:13:37,380
ahead of some of those records. So I would urge you to do the mature thing and

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02:13:37,380 --> 02:13:41,600
recind what seems to have been an emotional and not a rational action.

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02:13:42,080 --> 02:13:42,200
Thank you.

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02:13:46,620 --> 02:13:55,980
Good afternoon, Port Commissioners. I am speaking on action, agenda item number 15. My name

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02:13:55,980 --> 02:14:05,020
is read a comment and I am with San Diego 350 and a resident of Chulavista. I urge

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02:14:05,020 --> 02:14:13,080
board of court commissioners to recent their center of commissioner Nuremberg and to vote to

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02:14:13,080 --> 02:14:21,640
elect her chair. Commissioner Nuremberg has unwavering dedication, exemplary leadership quality,

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02:14:22,540 --> 02:14:35,000
and commitment to our communities best interest, make sure the ideal candidate for the

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02:14:35,000 --> 02:14:38,380
her is promptly rescinded.

1627
02:14:38,500 --> 02:14:40,780
Notably, National City is not

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02:14:40,780 --> 02:14:44,960
held the position of chair since 2017.

1629
02:14:46,060 --> 02:14:49,100
By voting in favor of Commissioner Naranho,

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02:14:49,700 --> 02:14:52,560
the Commission will not only uphold its own board

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02:14:52,560 --> 02:14:56,360
policy 001 of longstanding

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02:14:56,360 --> 02:14:59,980
the tradition of fear rotation between self.

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02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:11,260
Auxtay, and San Diego, repressantation, but also censure that National City rightfully receives

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02:15:11,260 --> 02:15:21,400
its due repressantation in the opportunity to actively contribute to the courts ongoing achievements.

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02:15:22,100 --> 02:15:23,100
Thank you.

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02:15:26,170 --> 02:15:43,370
Hello, my name is Rhea Coleman, and I'm speaking to item number 15 on the Climate Justice Action Team of the First Unitarian Universalist Church of San Diego.

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02:15:44,470 --> 02:15:50,050
The National City Representative to the Board may or may not have been corrected or

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02:15:50,050 --> 02:15:58,550
concerned about Fort District employee, but either way she had a moral obligation to bring

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02:15:58,550 --> 02:16:04,630
those concerns to the attention of the Board for protection of the Fort District and the

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02:16:04,630 --> 02:16:07,650
public which the Fort District is responsible.

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02:16:07,650 --> 02:16:24,050
You may not feel that she did so in appropriate manner, but she did so in a manner that doesn't appear to be either a violation of the Brown Act or a legal in any other way from the report that was published.

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02:16:25,270 --> 02:16:36,830
The outside's reaction of the board, in centering and borrowing her from office, is unjustified and completely out of scale with the nature of her actions.

1643
02:16:37,770 --> 02:16:44,070
It smacks frankly of unstated motives on the part of the commission and the employee in question.

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02:16:45,110 --> 02:16:52,610
The Climate Action, the Climate Justice Action Team of First U.U. Church of San Diego urges

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02:16:52,610 --> 02:16:54,610
you to do the right thing.

1646
02:16:55,090 --> 02:17:01,010
We send this undeserved center and elect the National City Representative to the position

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02:17:01,570 --> 02:17:03,270
of President of the Board.

1648
02:17:04,710 --> 02:17:11,290
She has been an admirable environmental advocate and an advocate for environmental justice.

1649
02:17:11,770 --> 02:17:15,390
The public is watching you. Thank you.

1650
02:17:20,090 --> 02:17:23,890
Hi, my name is Moe Vermeer, Network and Policy Advocate for climate science.

1651
02:17:24,030 --> 02:17:26,930
I'm calling in to comment on agenda item number 15.

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02:17:27,970 --> 02:17:33,490
I don't personally live in the San Diego region but have been honored to work for the past few years through the statewide

1653
02:17:33,490 --> 02:17:35,610
network that we can be in a kind of plan.

1654
02:17:35,810 --> 02:17:38,310
This local partner is in the area and to get to know them.

1655
02:17:39,110 --> 02:17:45,690
In our advocacy work across California, I have seen an alarming trend that civil servants who take the charge of

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02:17:45,690 --> 02:17:58,210
protecting the public good seriously by asking challenging, perhaps difficult, and certainly necessary questions about how decisions that will impact our communities for generations are made by government agencies.

1657
02:17:58,890 --> 02:18:11,290
That those civil servants who do their due diligence to bear that responsibility and do it justice are being retaliated against for failing to accept the status quo on its face, just because it's the way things have been operating.

1658
02:18:11,890 --> 02:18:16,990
And just my personal capacity, I witnessed and opposed five of these instances as efforts

1659
02:18:16,990 --> 02:18:22,190
have sought to punish and silence some of the best people in critical voices I know, from

1660
02:18:22,190 --> 02:18:26,010
the level of municipal city commission, all the way to deputy director of state agencies.

1661
02:18:26,950 --> 02:18:31,410
This case is no different, and so I am calling in today, and the solidarity with my former

1662
02:18:31,410 --> 02:18:34,170
sign up to my colleague, who is sure not as well.

1663
02:18:34,710 --> 02:18:39,390
I call upon this body to comply with your charter and the rotation of commission chair

1664
02:18:39,390 --> 02:18:43,790
National City's representatives as any last would be a deliberate attempt to have to

1665
02:18:43,790 --> 02:18:47,770
be franchise with I have to vote in the National City. Thank you.

1666
02:18:52,310 --> 02:18:58,150
Hello, board of Fort Commissioners. My name is Josephine Salamantes and I am the chair

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02:18:58,150 --> 02:19:07,270
of the Chicano Park Museum and Cultural Center. I am speaking on behalf of item number 15.

1668
02:19:09,350 --> 02:19:11,450
And here is my message.

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02:19:12,910 --> 02:19:15,730
I urge the Board of Fort Commissioners to

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02:19:15,730 --> 02:19:18,510
resend the censure of Commissioner Nadaho,

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02:19:18,890 --> 02:19:20,770
and to vote to elect her chair.

1672
02:19:21,750 --> 02:19:25,530
The community views the censure as an ongoing campaign

1673
02:19:25,530 --> 02:19:29,570
against Ms Nadaho as discriminatory,

1674
02:19:29,730 --> 02:19:32,930
political retaliation, and abuse of power.

1675
02:19:32,930 --> 02:19:49,470
We ask that you look deeply into the conduct of your attorney, Tom Russell, as issues have been presented to you before, however, we don't get the sense that you are looking into that.

1676
02:19:49,470 --> 02:19:59,490
We have thoroughly reviewed the post vote center report issued by the court and the claims and facts as presented in the report.

1677
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:07,500
Black grounds for a commissioner, not on who to be censored. It is a polling that the board found this report

1678
02:20:07,500 --> 02:20:17,440
to warrant this action. And we feel that it was derogatory towards Mr. Rungho without an example

1679
02:20:17,440 --> 02:20:25,160
of specifically what she had done to be censored. If you remember correctly, she did vote

1680
02:20:25,160 --> 02:20:26,200
for Mr. Russell.

1681
02:20:26,860 --> 02:20:31,380
And we find that your actions are retaliatory and discriminatory.

1682
02:20:31,980 --> 02:20:33,500
Thank you for listening to me.

1683
02:20:33,680 --> 02:20:36,740
We feel that she is the best candidate

1684
02:20:36,740 --> 02:20:40,940
for the position of chair as she represents the sport communities.

1685
02:20:41,200 --> 02:20:44,300
I represent body of Logan, Logan Heights,

1686
02:20:44,440 --> 02:20:47,560
and I work extensively at National City as well.

1687
02:20:50,730 --> 02:20:53,530
This message is on action agenda number 15.

1688
02:20:53,530 --> 02:21:04,910
My name is Joan Rinkon. I'm a resident of National City. The message that I want to convey to the court is we will be choosing our own court commissioner and you will not be doing it for us.

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02:21:05,270 --> 02:21:13,330
We will be choosing the person who meets our needs and not who wins a popularity contest as to who makes the rest of you feel more comfortable.

1690
02:21:13,930 --> 02:21:20,410
You have shown a spotlight on someone, and you will not be able to withstand the scrutiny

1691
02:21:20,410 --> 02:21:22,130
of that spotlight on yourself.

1692
02:21:23,230 --> 02:21:28,070
Many of you have some very interesting histories that we can talk about, as time goes by.

1693
02:21:29,150 --> 02:21:34,590
In the interim, you have apparently some members of your legal staff who operate more

1694
02:21:34,590 --> 02:21:37,510
at a junior high level than at a professional level.

1695
02:21:37,590 --> 02:21:39,930
And I think you should look into dealing with those people.

1696
02:21:40,630 --> 02:21:57,970
Meanwhile, it is National City's turn really on the rotation of the chair ship, and it was intended to go to the National City until very, very recently, when some of your staff who became uncomfortable with that prospect decided to go ahead and act up.

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02:21:57,970 --> 02:22:07,070
As a city, we expect the chairowship to be appropriately assigned to us for the next year.

1698
02:22:07,910 --> 02:22:17,430
And the fact that you would prefer another person who's more part of the old one ever to be the commissioner here doesn't ring through to my ears or interest me.

1699
02:22:18,150 --> 02:22:23,430
So I request that you provide the chairowship to national city as you should.

1700
02:22:23,430 --> 02:22:29,930
And I also requested you to rescind the ridiculous censure that was done like some sort of a junior high

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02:22:29,930 --> 02:22:30,990
can from.

1702
02:22:31,490 --> 02:22:33,090
Thank you for your attention to

1703
02:22:36,670 --> 02:22:36,670
the center.

1704
02:22:37,050 --> 02:22:42,310
This is Joe Hillin, and I'm calling about action by gender number 15.

1705
02:22:43,210 --> 02:22:50,870
And I want you to rescind the censure and elect national city commission in the Royal chair of the court commission.

1706
02:22:52,130 --> 02:22:53,370
This is important.

1707
02:22:53,370 --> 02:22:58,710
Keith, it's her turn and he's well-qualified.

1708
02:23:08,090 --> 02:23:15,410
My name is Jail Jackson and I am this one-world bridge in Indian nonprofits for the past 25 years.

1709
02:23:15,850 --> 02:23:20,330
We have a used program, our adult program here in San Diego County.

1710
02:23:21,630 --> 02:23:29,350
And we appreciate all that the port authority has done for Indian country to bring Indianness to the port.

1711
02:23:29,350 --> 02:23:37,110
And we would also like to request that you recent the action against Sandy.

1712
02:23:38,550 --> 02:23:46,970
It's always important to have the indigenous woman to be in areas where they can make a difference.

1713
02:23:47,210 --> 02:23:51,690
So with that, I would hope you could reconsider this.

1714
02:23:52,210 --> 02:23:53,690
It's you McGrich, you many thanks.

1715
02:23:54,230 --> 02:23:54,750
Thank you.

1716
02:23:54,750 --> 02:23:55,430
I

1717
02:23:59,530 --> 02:24:04,610
would like to speak to Action Agenda Item 15 on your agenda today.

1718
02:24:05,370 --> 02:24:08,150
My name is Jean Sieger and I live in Coronado.

1719
02:24:08,810 --> 02:24:11,970
I'm in support of Port Commissioner Sandi Nilanho.

1720
02:24:12,550 --> 02:24:15,930
I find the Port Center of her to be misguided at best.

1721
02:24:16,450 --> 02:24:19,910
There is absolutely no proof of the allegations against her.

1722
02:24:20,470 --> 02:24:25,990
Further by centering her with such slim or non-existent evidence, the port is taking away

1723
02:24:25,990 --> 02:24:28,250
the voice of the National City Council.

1724
02:24:28,250 --> 02:24:36,230
which appointed her and continues to support her. By extension, the Port takes away the voice of the thousands of voters who

1725
02:24:36,230 --> 02:24:44,170
elected the City Council to make decisions on their behalf. Commissioner Naronho doesn't excellent job. She is smart in

1726
02:24:44,170 --> 02:24:50,650
enthusiastic and conscientious. She is committed to doing what is right for the port and the people who live in the region.

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02:24:51,350 --> 02:24:57,490
Please put off a decision on this matter until January. When the Port customarily appoints a chair,

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02:24:57,490 --> 02:24:59,970
at that time I asked you bring proof of the...

1729
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:03,540
For Mr. Schnaer's wrongdoing, we'll appoint her chair. Thank you.

1730
02:25:07,480 --> 02:25:08,540
It is James Ferguson,

1731
02:25:12,670 --> 02:25:15,730
the Unitarian Universalist Church of San Diego. In vines

1732
02:25:20,020 --> 02:25:20,980
and climate lobby,

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02:25:21,220 --> 02:25:26,580
and that's a percent of a 350. I'm calling about a gender

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02:25:30,580 --> 02:25:31,320
-sending or

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02:25:34,740 --> 02:25:36,280
anisertive activist.

1736
02:25:36,360 --> 02:25:38,100
I know that she is representing

1737
02:25:47,600 --> 02:25:49,100
Schnaer's

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violence her.

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Not be suppressed. I think that there's a large community of people that are very aware

1740
02:26:52,420 --> 02:26:57,600
of it.

1741
02:26:57,600 --> 02:27:04,620
the election at law officers this afternoon. Please consider the duties of the office that

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02:27:04,620 --> 02:27:13,040
is being elected and also the qualifications of the persons who are being considered. The

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02:27:13,040 --> 02:27:18,820
purposes of the poor and the individual qualifications of the people should completely eliminate

1744
02:27:18,820 --> 02:27:25,480
consideration of personal bias or other issues. We need the service of people who are the

1745
02:27:25,480 --> 02:27:29,280
classified people for each position. With respect to the

1746
02:27:29,280 --> 02:27:33,620
censure of Commissioner Niranial, I urge you to

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02:27:33,620 --> 02:27:37,500
rescind it. I have read the report and formalizing that

1748
02:27:37,500 --> 02:27:41,580
type of concept, conflict with the facts submitted, will only

1749
02:27:41,580 --> 02:27:45,400
perpetuate it and do a disservice to the things you are trying

1750
02:27:45,400 --> 02:27:50,340
to accomplish. You need to have a cooperative spirit going forward

1751
02:27:50,340 --> 02:27:54,780
that is focused on the issues, not personal grievances. I am

1752
02:27:54,780 --> 02:27:58,920
There are a specific offer. I thank you for your attention by now.

1753
02:27:59,780 --> 02:28:04,960
That ends the voice mails that we have. We now have 12 in person speakers. One would

1754
02:28:04,960 --> 02:28:13,820
seated time. We have Marcus Bush, Councilmember from the City of National City, you followed by a Jeffrey Schellick.

1755
02:28:21,170 --> 02:28:24,750
I met a child, but this is really cool. I've got to do like this one.

1756
02:28:24,750 --> 02:28:32,970
But hey, we could have been on a board chair in staff. My name is Mark Spursch, Council Member for National City.

1757
02:28:33,890 --> 02:28:37,430
I was here last meeting in the meeting before I came here with Council Member Rodriguez.

1758
02:28:37,970 --> 02:28:49,070
We came before to ask you guys respectfully to hold off on the censor to give us time to determine what actually went on with your legend with Sandy and everything just going on period.

1759
02:28:49,070 --> 02:28:52,050
because you disenfranchised us to national city.

1760
02:28:52,430 --> 02:28:53,850
This isn't just about Sandy.

1761
02:28:53,970 --> 02:28:56,110
This is about what you all did to national city

1762
02:28:56,110 --> 02:28:58,350
and our place taking the chair.

1763
02:28:59,190 --> 02:29:01,490
And so you did release the report

1764
02:29:01,490 --> 02:29:04,710
and I appreciate that, but even after the report

1765
02:29:04,710 --> 02:29:06,270
and seeing all of that,

1766
02:29:06,530 --> 02:29:07,790
I got to tell each and every one of you

1767
02:29:07,790 --> 02:29:11,650
feel I feel extremely disrespected by what you guys did.

1768
02:29:11,970 --> 02:29:13,750
I'm really, honestly, I'm disgusted with you all

1769
02:29:13,750 --> 02:29:14,630
on this board.

1770
02:29:15,530 --> 02:29:16,250
I read that report

1771
02:29:16,250 --> 02:29:20,490
And I've been reading reports like this for over 15 years.

1772
02:29:20,610 --> 02:29:23,470
I was a union rep at Unite here from 2008 to 15 years.

1773
02:29:23,550 --> 02:29:24,670
I could reading reports like this.

1774
02:29:24,670 --> 02:29:28,550
This was the single most subjective investigative report

1775
02:29:28,550 --> 02:29:30,210
I've read in my entire life.

1776
02:29:30,550 --> 02:29:33,130
Riddled with problematic statements.

1777
02:29:33,390 --> 02:29:35,190
One reporter called it a nothing burger.

1778
02:29:36,330 --> 02:29:40,730
And for us on the city council, nothing in that report gave us

1779
02:29:40,730 --> 02:29:43,350
justification for what you guys did.

1780
02:29:43,750 --> 02:29:45,730
And I have to say honestly, shame on you all.

1781
02:29:45,730 --> 02:29:50,190
Shame on you, Rafa, as chair for what you guys did and what you did to National City.

1782
02:29:50,890 --> 02:29:53,950
Here's what I think what really happened, what's really going down here.

1783
02:29:54,050 --> 02:29:54,730
This is what I think.

1784
02:29:55,190 --> 02:29:59,770
I think this is an attempt to get rid of Sandy and retaliation for asking questions.

1785
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:07,360
About Tom Russell and the Board of attorney. About these potential conflicts. I think the reason that

1786
02:30:07,360 --> 02:30:11,800
part, like that you that you guys don't want Sandy on here, is because she advocates for environmental

1787
02:30:11,800 --> 02:30:16,900
justice. And she's been the single person that is advocated for environmental justice more than

1788
02:30:16,900 --> 02:30:24,460
anyone ever in the history on the Board. So let me make this clear to you all that you do not

1789
02:30:24,460 --> 02:30:29,680
decide who is National City's Board representative. None of you on this Board decides that. I

1790
02:30:33,940 --> 02:30:36,900
I don't care if you don't like Sandy.

1791
02:30:37,140 --> 02:30:38,000
I really don't.

1792
02:30:38,180 --> 02:30:41,940
We all have to deal with people that we don't like at times.

1793
02:30:42,680 --> 02:30:44,300
So that's not the issue.

1794
02:30:44,780 --> 02:30:49,260
And I don't care if her, if she makes you guys uncomfortable

1795
02:30:49,260 --> 02:30:51,200
by talking about systemic racism.

1796
02:30:52,220 --> 02:30:53,960
We have to talk about those issues.

1797
02:30:54,340 --> 02:30:56,280
Sit there and be uncomfortable with it.

1798
02:30:56,280 --> 02:30:58,700
And if you think there's an issue, again, I told you guys

1799
02:30:58,700 --> 02:30:59,660
this before, that they don't like to talk about

1800
02:30:59,660 --> 02:31:04,940
come to talk to me, come to talk to my colleagues on city council, I ask that you guys act

1801
02:31:04,940 --> 02:31:09,800
like professionals though that you stop what I perceive as a retaliation against my poor

1802
02:31:09,800 --> 02:31:14,840
commissioner and that you not just delay this vote, I don't think you guys will, I think

1803
02:31:14,840 --> 02:31:19,300
you guys already meet up your mind, that was very clear, all the public testimony you got

1804
02:31:19,300 --> 02:31:23,880
last meeting, you ignored all of it and it just shows me, validates everything in the

1805
02:31:27,240 --> 02:31:30,040
And so I don't expect anything different from you guys.

1806
02:31:30,200 --> 02:31:31,960
My hope is that you did lay this vote.

1807
02:31:32,340 --> 02:31:36,560
That you send the censure, that you investigate.

1808
02:31:37,340 --> 02:31:39,640
Because you spent a lot of time investigating Sandy,

1809
02:31:40,500 --> 02:31:42,520
and her 4,700s and 2021.

1810
02:31:43,020 --> 02:31:43,880
And I appreciate that.

1811
02:31:43,900 --> 02:31:45,080
I'm fine with that.

1812
02:31:45,380 --> 02:31:45,740
That's good.

1813
02:31:46,220 --> 02:31:47,860
There was a potential conflict of interest.

1814
02:31:48,140 --> 02:31:48,860
You addressed it.

1815
02:31:48,980 --> 02:31:49,500
It was an report.

1816
02:31:49,780 --> 02:31:50,500
And it got cleared.

1817
02:31:51,080 --> 02:31:53,100
So spend that same energy on your own staff,

1818
02:31:53,200 --> 02:31:53,540
and your own attorney.

1819
02:31:53,740 --> 02:31:53,860
Where there's a lot of information.

1820
02:31:53,860 --> 02:31:58,740
conflicts be consistent about it. So I ask that you also, so again, delete this vote,

1821
02:31:59,020 --> 02:32:04,480
recent this censure, and also investigate the claims into this, at the attorney time,

1822
02:32:04,680 --> 02:32:08,240
Russell, and I also want to give a shout out, I think all the community members that came out

1823
02:32:08,240 --> 02:32:12,780
and support it from all over the county, including a Jesse Marquez and Coalition for Safe

1824
02:32:12,780 --> 02:32:16,240
Environment. This shows this is a much bigger issue than just national city.

1825
02:32:17,800 --> 02:32:22,240
We have Jeffrey Shaw followed by Stephen Gelb.

1826
02:32:23,120 --> 02:32:23,440
Good afternoon.

1827
02:32:24,040 --> 02:32:25,480
The occasion of my name is Jeffrey Schrock.

1828
02:32:25,940 --> 02:32:28,980
I'm a volunteer at Purple Sea National City leader for a long time.

1829
02:32:29,820 --> 02:32:32,580
I can tell you, I know for a fact that the Portland Commission has been

1830
02:32:32,580 --> 02:32:34,940
tweeting National City like the right to step child of the county.

1831
02:32:35,460 --> 02:32:36,420
It's time for change.

1832
02:32:36,820 --> 02:32:41,560
The class war for games will end because people like me will demand it.

1833
02:32:41,560 --> 02:32:44,300
National City residents are tired of being treated like

1834
02:32:44,720 --> 02:32:48,240
like we're the toilet board, we're ready to take a crap at it.

1835
02:32:48,360 --> 02:32:50,220
The board needs to straighten up their act,

1836
02:32:50,300 --> 02:32:51,320
become more people friendly,

1837
02:32:51,660 --> 02:32:53,860
we're not just doing industrialized board,

1838
02:32:54,300 --> 02:32:55,900
you guys to profit off of,

1839
02:32:57,540 --> 02:33:00,040
we should, 50 years or a year, that's great.

1840
02:33:00,260 --> 02:33:01,600
But the bottom line is, we're Zion,

1841
02:33:01,820 --> 02:33:06,500
if you're a climate, we're not,

1842
02:33:06,580 --> 02:33:07,600
we're not, we're not, we're not, we're not, we're not Zion.

1843
02:33:07,760 --> 02:33:09,000
Standing around, it was a good lady.

1844
02:33:09,260 --> 02:33:09,880
She's a great person.

1845
02:33:10,020 --> 02:33:11,660
She's the voice of naturalcy that we want.

1846
02:33:12,020 --> 02:33:13,320
If you guys don't want that voice,

1847
02:33:13,320 --> 02:33:15,680
if you don't want what next, let's see what he wants.

1848
02:33:16,460 --> 02:33:17,620
So how do you represent us properly

1849
02:33:17,620 --> 02:33:19,060
if there's a conflict of interest?

1850
02:33:20,320 --> 02:33:22,700
You notice our mayor who's been fit to be floppy

1851
02:33:22,700 --> 02:33:24,420
on this issue, didn't bother to show up today,

1852
02:33:25,020 --> 02:33:25,420
didn't he?

1853
02:33:25,440 --> 02:33:26,720
But that's because he thought, probably 30,

1854
02:33:26,820 --> 02:33:27,640
he wasn't going to get his way.

1855
02:33:29,120 --> 02:33:31,260
So obviously, it wasn't his worth his time,

1856
02:33:31,800 --> 02:33:33,320
but it's well worth my time.

1857
02:33:33,700 --> 02:33:36,100
Saying it around, should be a new chair.

1858
02:33:36,420 --> 02:33:37,720
Because like, I question you, sir.

1859
02:33:38,420 --> 02:33:40,020
I believe you are a little bit corrupt.

1860
02:33:40,400 --> 02:33:42,540
I do believe you play the class warfare game.

1861
02:33:42,540 --> 02:33:48,280
that snappy, bujade, pager, and we won't tell her in an action city.

1862
02:33:48,660 --> 02:33:54,420
You will treat us equally fairly and with respect when you talk about our city or you come to our town.

1863
02:33:55,180 --> 02:33:59,420
You will not look down on us and follow us for what we cannot afford to fix or replace.

1864
02:34:00,260 --> 02:34:02,520
We do the damn world best we can.

1865
02:34:03,640 --> 02:34:08,500
And we're tired of being looked down at as the rented stepchild of this port district.

1866
02:34:08,500 --> 02:34:14,700
It's going to change because people like me won't stand for it not changing so yes

1867
02:34:14,700 --> 02:34:18,500
I do believe that this commission needs new leadership and we talk to the bottom

1868
02:34:18,500 --> 02:34:26,360
Because you serve strike me as clear class warfare 101 and I'm guessing you probably live in a wealthy upscale district of town

1869
02:34:26,360 --> 02:34:32,340
So no client or somebody and don't frown us because you don't like what you don't I would what you what you see

1870
02:34:32,340 --> 02:34:33,380
we're not perfect

1871
02:34:34,240 --> 02:34:34,760
so

1872
02:34:34,760 --> 02:34:36,680
shows the respect we deserve

1873
02:34:36,680 --> 02:34:39,680
or fine of the job, good day.

1874
02:34:41,080 --> 02:34:46,380
Steven Gelbe followed by Jesse Marquez with Time-Seated by Mr.

1875
02:34:47,140 --> 02:34:50,630
Peria, my apologies.

1876
02:34:55,300 --> 02:34:59,900
The little commissioners, I need to keep in gel and I am the sender with me 15.

1877
02:35:02,160 --> 02:35:29,980
After the commission decided its essential standing around the home. And strip her of the position of Vice Chair, the environmental community, anxiously awaited the report that we justify what seemed to be a shocking and unprecedented action. Those of us who know standing around her as a caring, respectful, ethical, and tireless advocate for the public good, wondered what terrible things she had done to the public.

1878
02:35:29,980 --> 02:35:36,520
deserve the commission's actions. But the report, as others have said, was simply not convincing.

1879
02:35:38,000 --> 02:35:44,280
As the editor of LaPrensa wrote, quote, it does not prove in the run who violated her duties or

1880
02:35:44,280 --> 02:35:49,580
done anything more than voice or concerns with the performance of the commission's lawyer.

1881
02:35:50,200 --> 02:35:56,560
Something she is both empowered and expected to do in carrying out her duties as a commissioner.

1882
02:35:57,260 --> 02:36:03,440
drastic actions should not be taken without clear compelling reasons. With each passing

1883
02:36:03,440 --> 02:36:09,540
day, as more information comes out about the past, specifically the Port of Los Angeles,

1884
02:36:10,380 --> 02:36:17,640
the commission's decision appears to be in a worse light. Now is the time to rectify

1885
02:36:17,640 --> 02:36:26,860
commission's error. National City needs its turn to have its representative serve as chair.

1886
02:36:27,640 --> 02:36:34,700
I respectfully ask you to rescind the censor of Commissioner Naranko and vote to elect her as chair.

1887
02:36:35,280 --> 02:36:40,320
And thank you for listening. I do appreciate the fact that you are listening and looking at us.

1888
02:36:40,540 --> 02:36:45,660
Sometimes when you can public comments and other bodies, they're all looking at their phones. So thank you for that.

1889
02:36:47,200 --> 02:36:55,140
We have Jesse Marquez with Time Seated by Paul Perilla followed by Ricardo Polito,

1890
02:37:00,420 --> 02:37:02,200
you'll have four minutes.

1891
02:37:02,500 --> 02:37:03,260
Thank you.

1892
02:37:03,420 --> 02:37:05,020
Honorable commissioners, my name is Jesse Marquez.

1893
02:37:05,020 --> 02:37:09,620
I'm here present as the founder and executive director of the Coalition for Safe Environment.

1894
02:37:09,720 --> 02:37:12,900
We are a 22 year old environmental justice organization.

1895
02:37:13,280 --> 02:37:16,840
I'm here with our board of directors president, Ricardo Polito.

1896
02:37:18,180 --> 02:37:22,660
one of my staff, Paul Perea, and one of our volunteer community members.

1897
02:37:23,280 --> 02:37:24,680
Thank you.

1898
02:37:24,720 --> 02:37:27,120
We have submitted public comments to you.

1899
02:37:27,440 --> 02:37:34,420
Our organization has focused in the 22 years on ports, freight transportation, and warehouse distribution centers.

1900
02:37:35,020 --> 02:37:44,560
We have attended hundreds of port meetings and presentations, hundreds of port commissioner presentations in California, and as far as Savannah, Georgia.

1901
02:37:44,560 --> 02:37:50,480
and so we've gained a lot of experience in that process, but in the process we also

1902
02:37:50,480 --> 02:37:55,300
realize that commissioners oftentimes do not receive adequate training and

1903
02:37:55,300 --> 02:38:00,620
education and their responsibilities. You have a fiduciary responsibility which

1904
02:38:00,620 --> 02:38:08,240
is a legal responsibility to uphold various laws and policies. And many

1905
02:38:08,240 --> 02:38:13,360
those laws and policies you may not have had training on which is why you are now

1906
02:38:13,360 --> 02:38:21,360
making decisions which warranted your residents in here to notify us and ask us to step in.

1907
02:38:21,840 --> 02:38:27,400
We take the position that we try to use baby steps and walking through you, what with you

1908
02:38:27,400 --> 02:38:29,340
on some of the issues that we have found.

1909
02:38:31,120 --> 02:38:36,140
The primary reason is you're not vote to elect pork versus because you have no statutory

1910
02:38:36,140 --> 02:38:43,640
or legal authority to bypass circumvent election and Chairman Rotation requirements.

1911
02:38:44,840 --> 02:38:49,260
On behalf of the public interest, and our members, we request you to lay and vote in on agenda 15,

1912
02:38:49,980 --> 02:38:55,860
because you have no statutory and legal authority to prevent or censor a poor commissioner

1913
02:38:55,860 --> 02:39:02,640
from being considered nominated, voting, and being voted for any office of decision on the Board of Commissioners.

1914
02:39:02,640 --> 02:39:07,800
one B. On behalf of the interests, you have no authority and no

1915
02:39:07,800 --> 02:39:11,500
stretch of the right to bypass the government and prevent the rotation

1916
02:39:11,500 --> 02:39:14,600
of officers. In this case, National City appointed

1917
02:39:14,600 --> 02:39:17,540
poor commissioner who would be the next and lying to be appointed

1918
02:39:17,540 --> 02:39:22,620
or voted to the chairman position. See, your own

1919
02:39:22,620 --> 02:39:26,160
port of San Diego legal attorney Thomas Russell failed in his

1920
02:39:26,160 --> 02:39:31,040
responsibility to disclose to you that you would be violating the

1921
02:39:31,040 --> 02:39:39,820
Kennedy ago unified port district memorandum rotation of offices dated 21 and the BPC poly number 00 which states that the

1922
02:39:39,820 --> 02:39:45,240
President position is to be rotated annually and the policy for the election of the board of

1923
02:39:45,240 --> 02:39:53,280
Vachera and Secretary this year that position is for Sandy Nettaho the secondary reasons that you have no statutory and legal

1924
02:39:53,280 --> 02:39:59,980
30th century another cities appointed board of commissioner your board and U.S. members have no

1925
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:07,660
Hello, statutory legal authority to accept a port of sandagals submitted resolution to vote and censor a

1926
02:40:07,660 --> 02:40:14,020
signified sign ego unified district city's appointed commissioner. Be, the board has no authority or

1927
02:40:14,020 --> 02:40:20,120
legal authority to vote to censor strip or deny another point city's appointed commissioner of their

1928
02:40:20,120 --> 02:40:26,360
city obligations and rights to participate in any internal external committees. And it has been referenced

1929
02:40:26,360 --> 02:40:31,680
before, your poor commissioners, you are not an elected body member who may be

1930
02:40:31,680 --> 02:40:36,640
subject to any certain types of censorship. You also violated, you know, the

1931
02:40:36,640 --> 02:40:43,120
Bagley King Act and the Brown Act and we outline those. So we ask that you take

1932
02:40:43,120 --> 02:40:47,620
no position today because you'd only further violate your responsibilities. We

1933
02:40:47,620 --> 02:40:52,340
also attach the fact that yesterday we submitted appeal requests to all five

1934
02:40:52,340 --> 02:40:58,340
city councils. According to the law, an unelected body of a government agency, which is you,

1935
02:40:58,780 --> 02:41:03,960
the public can now submit an appeal to that. There are other legal jurisdictions that

1936
02:41:03,960 --> 02:41:08,120
govern ports, but not all of them, trained on, and which are the State-Nask Commission

1937
02:41:08,120 --> 02:41:14,080
Coastal Commission that we also are filing requests for appeals or investigations. And thank you.

1938
02:41:14,160 --> 02:41:20,100
Thank you, sir. Thank you. We now have Ricardo Politos, followed by

1939
02:41:22,440 --> 02:41:24,960
Thank you very much, Honorable commissioners.

1940
02:41:25,240 --> 02:41:29,400
You heard my executive director on the board chair, and I'm hearing I'm a

1941
02:41:29,400 --> 02:41:33,400
pallet of everything I've heard today from you all and how you acted in the past.

1942
02:41:34,040 --> 02:41:38,040
I commend the City Councilman to stand up and be here for his city and for the rest of the community.

1943
02:41:38,740 --> 02:41:42,000
The other five cities will be also on notice and they will be here in the future.

1944
02:41:42,460 --> 02:41:44,900
So be aware and be put on notice you in total violation.

1945
02:41:45,800 --> 02:41:50,080
There's a lot of book commissioner, there's no such thing as censoring somebody who's standing

1946
02:41:50,080 --> 02:41:56,040
up for the people and the community, shame on you has heard earlier. You have no right to let

1947
02:41:56,040 --> 02:42:01,360
this gentleman over dictate you and staff driven a stuff to you guys. You should be better

1948
02:42:01,360 --> 02:42:06,000
and no better. Some of you's intelligent know what you're doing up there but you seem like you're

1949
02:42:06,000 --> 02:42:11,280
very stupid on this matter and very foolish on this matter and we will not tolerate it. We come

1950
02:42:11,280 --> 02:42:16,420
from up and forth. Wilmington, California, Carson, California, all the South Bay. You could look

1951
02:42:16,420 --> 02:42:18,920
because I've been on planning commission,

1952
02:42:18,980 --> 02:42:20,540
I've been around town a little bit.

1953
02:42:20,640 --> 02:42:24,560
I've never heard such situations like this

1954
02:42:24,560 --> 02:42:26,440
that this poor lady's engulfed in.

1955
02:42:26,600 --> 02:42:30,720
She has a right to speak and she has a right to be standing up.

1956
02:42:30,880 --> 02:42:32,640
Shame on you, oh boy, in that work, guys.

1957
02:42:33,020 --> 02:42:34,760
And you, with Mr. Nick Tonnich,

1958
02:42:34,880 --> 02:42:36,660
you know what's going on there in San Pedro

1959
02:42:36,660 --> 02:42:37,800
once you've done over there.

1960
02:42:38,360 --> 02:42:40,460
And for you to be a conflict of inches of an attorney,

1961
02:42:41,080 --> 02:42:42,720
you would be looked at by the AG.

1962
02:42:43,740 --> 02:42:45,160
You could, some of you could get this part

1963
02:42:45,160 --> 02:42:51,020
some of you could be in hot water. If you don't we send this today. The delays that they ask for,

1964
02:42:51,180 --> 02:42:55,340
that's not the way I operate. As a Chairman of the Board, I look at my community and I look at my

1965
02:42:55,340 --> 02:43:01,760
team and say, we work within the frameworks of law. And we violate them, shame on us. And I want to

1966
02:43:01,760 --> 02:43:05,460
tolerate that for me, for anywhere in state of California, anywhere in the United States. I've been

1967
02:43:05,460 --> 02:43:11,020
up and down. We East Coast, West Coast, Indian, Europe, and international world. And I will not tolerate

1968
02:43:11,020 --> 02:43:13,280
that for this lady, for Respart residents.

1969
02:43:13,880 --> 02:43:16,360
So let's act right, do the right thing now,

1970
02:43:16,680 --> 02:43:19,820
rescind it, let her be the chairperson

1971
02:43:19,820 --> 02:43:21,040
as she's supposed to be.

1972
02:43:21,400 --> 02:43:24,040
And let's move forward as a beautiful county,

1973
02:43:24,100 --> 02:43:25,760
and as a beautiful city of San Diego

1974
02:43:25,760 --> 02:43:27,960
and the rest of our beautiful city, sir.

1975
02:43:28,400 --> 02:43:30,080
So God bless you's on, and let's do it,

1976
02:43:30,180 --> 02:43:32,040
because we're watching in the world to watch you.

1977
02:43:32,200 --> 02:43:34,220
This can be national news very short.

1978
02:43:34,220 --> 02:43:34,700
How can we fire?

1979
02:43:35,020 --> 02:43:37,320
So wake up and shake up and move in either.

1980
02:43:37,920 --> 02:43:40,020
Stand up and be counted with us,

1981
02:43:40,020 --> 02:43:44,260
because we hire you, we fire you, you guys aren't even elected, so you know you're in hot water.

1982
02:43:44,600 --> 02:43:49,060
So thank you very much and God bless you and God bless this community right here.

1983
02:43:49,320 --> 02:43:49,840
Thank you very much.

1984
02:43:50,320 --> 02:43:51,140
Kyle, hi, Stella.

1985
02:43:51,580 --> 02:43:52,660
Followed by Laura.

1986
02:43:52,700 --> 02:43:53,680
Welcome, since then.

1987
02:43:59,440 --> 02:44:01,840
Kyle Aeskola with Environmental Health Coalition.

1988
02:44:02,500 --> 02:44:09,900
I just wanted to say first to criticize the process, which has taken place to censor Commissioner Naronto.

1989
02:44:11,040 --> 02:44:14,500
This has been a really difficult month for all of us who do business with the port.

1990
02:44:14,500 --> 02:44:21,240
and it has been very challenging, a huge distraction from the work that we all need to be doing.

1991
02:44:22,180 --> 02:44:28,160
The process was not transparent. It was not accessible to the public, and it represents a very

1992
02:44:28,160 --> 02:44:33,580
harsh reaction with little to no evidence being made publicly available before the action was taken.

1993
02:44:34,920 --> 02:44:40,400
The outcome of the century is extremely concerning as well. It effectively prevents national

1994
02:44:40,400 --> 02:44:47,580
city from a community which has been historically overlooked and over-impacted by the

1995
02:44:47,580 --> 02:44:53,400
Port Industrial Operations from having full representation and its fair turn as chair of

1996
02:44:53,400 --> 02:44:53,960
the Port Commission.

1997
02:44:55,320 --> 02:44:59,340
The Port's own policies and processes have been circumvented to accomplish this

1998
02:44:59,340 --> 02:44:59,640
century.

1999
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:12,520
Which is gravely concerning. Community members have appreciated how Commissioner Neuronho took the time to be on the ground and have conversations with residents about how to improve the port.

2000
02:45:13,520 --> 02:45:25,280
They felt seen and heard by her, while all of you have done some of that, I ask you all to reflect on how you can do more of that. To men the trust and restore the relationships with the community that have been damaged.

2001
02:45:25,280 --> 02:45:32,840
Regardless of who leads this agency, I urge you not to waver in your support of environmental justice.

2002
02:45:33,780 --> 02:45:39,220
EHC is not going anywhere, and we will continue to advocate for the implementation of the clean air goals,

2003
02:45:40,340 --> 02:45:49,220
the polluting trucks to be electrified, and for this agency's work not to be slowed down by all of these concerning actions taking place.

2004
02:45:49,480 --> 02:45:50,520
Thank you.

2005
02:45:50,520 --> 02:45:56,060
Laura Wilkinson Stanton and followed by Marley Ramirez.

2006
02:45:58,100 --> 02:46:00,440
Good afternoon commissioners and Councillor.

2007
02:46:01,560 --> 02:46:03,600
On behalf, my name is Laura Wilkinson Stanton.

2008
02:46:03,860 --> 02:46:09,200
Stop the sewage.org is my nonprofit on the Community Activist and also a business

2009
02:46:09,200 --> 02:46:13,480
person in the Coronado case, which is also suffering under the sewage crisis.

2010
02:46:14,060 --> 02:46:19,780
On behalf of nearly 40 organizations, faith-based non-profits and

2011
02:46:22,580 --> 02:46:28,420
I do submit this petition asking the board commissioners to rescind the stripping of commissioner

2012
02:46:28,420 --> 02:46:36,900
in the city of Rotation for her to be the chair and represent the city of national city.

2013
02:46:37,360 --> 02:46:41,640
After reviewing the investigation, I was here at your last meeting when you did the actual

2014
02:46:41,640 --> 02:46:46,440
center. It's pretty clear, and most of you are counselors, most of you are members of the

2015
02:46:46,440 --> 02:46:54,460
bar. It actually reaches no standard of evidence whatsoever. No standard of evidence,

2016
02:46:54,780 --> 02:46:59,340
which is where your own conclusion came through that, well, we're not really, she didn't

2017
02:46:59,340 --> 02:47:05,260
really do anything that we can, you know, open an ethics investigation on. It was over

2018
02:47:05,260 --> 02:47:09,660
reach on your part, to go for a center. And you even acknowledge the overreach yourself

2019
02:47:09,660 --> 02:47:15,380
When you pulled back the part where she couldn't speak to any port employee as part of that punishment.

2020
02:47:16,440 --> 02:47:19,340
So it's never the wrong time to do the right thing.

2021
02:47:20,320 --> 02:47:24,940
There was no one doing on Mr. Ram House part and it makes you guys look like the bad guys here.

2022
02:47:25,080 --> 02:47:28,660
And you're not bad guys. You are public servants and we know that.

2023
02:47:29,680 --> 02:47:36,360
There was inadequate notice and a changing of your agenda, which is a violation of the Brown Act when you conducted that censure as well.

2024
02:47:36,360 --> 02:47:42,940
And you never let Ms. Nranho respond to any of those allegations or let the public see it till after the center.

2025
02:47:44,020 --> 02:47:49,420
So, really, isn't the center enough? She's chastened.

2026
02:47:50,140 --> 02:47:51,120
That's clear.

2027
02:47:54,260 --> 02:47:59,060
Poor employees have been seeking me out thanking me for showing up today in this building.

2028
02:48:00,880 --> 02:48:02,320
You need to have your ear to the ground.

2029
02:48:02,380 --> 02:48:03,300
I'm a six-buyer.

2030
02:48:03,680 --> 02:48:06,840
During this time, Mr. Nranho has maintained her dignity.

2031
02:48:06,840 --> 02:48:11,680
She wouldn't say a bad word about any of you if we held a gun to her head.

2032
02:48:12,320 --> 02:48:16,780
She has showed up every day and done her job and represented her community and brought

2033
02:48:16,780 --> 02:48:18,140
on her to this war.

2034
02:48:18,920 --> 02:48:25,020
And so we ask you to join her on the high road that she has taken and we're sending the

2035
02:48:25,760 --> 02:48:30,380
censure if you can and if not, just we're sending the stripping of her duties because that's

2036
02:48:30,380 --> 02:48:31,100
what we ask for.

2037
02:48:31,300 --> 02:48:32,680
I will submit this to the clerk.

2038
02:48:32,680 --> 02:48:38,260
Thank you, I'm Marley Ramirez, followed by Isadora Maghali.

2039
02:48:41,700 --> 02:48:44,300
Good afternoon, everyone. My name is Mareli Ramirez.

2040
02:48:45,000 --> 02:48:51,580
I am a resident of Coronado, but I am here today representing the Coronado Democratic Club.

2041
02:48:53,790 --> 02:48:59,670
This past weekend, we had the absolute pleasure to have Ms. Narangho, your speaker.

2042
02:49:00,790 --> 02:49:09,330
She showed passion, she showed compassion, she showed leadership that was contagious in the

2043
02:49:09,330 --> 02:49:09,830
room.

2044
02:49:11,230 --> 02:49:13,750
She told us to stand up and speak for the people.

2045
02:49:15,860 --> 02:49:22,640
We applaud and we're also for defending and voting against the cottages at the case.

2046
02:49:23,360 --> 02:49:24,840
She hears the people.

2047
02:49:25,640 --> 02:49:29,860
Now, for those of us who, for those of you I should say,

2048
02:49:30,640 --> 02:49:34,140
who go, ah, woo, the world is going up, bravo,

2049
02:49:35,360 --> 02:49:37,860
bring your attention to this moment.

2050
02:49:39,840 --> 02:49:42,580
And don't be afraid of those like her,

2051
02:49:43,700 --> 02:49:45,580
who question this status quo.

2052
02:49:46,580 --> 02:49:48,460
Do not be afraid of those.

2053
02:49:48,680 --> 02:49:50,280
You say, let's do things better.

2054
02:49:50,280 --> 02:49:58,700
include the people, not just follow the money, it is okay to question those.

2055
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:19,690
Who might be having a little bit of conflict of interest somewhere else? Investigate others, do your job, but most importantly, remind yourselves that you represent the people, that you represent things that we can do for our planet.

2056
02:50:21,210 --> 02:50:23,690
She is the perfect person to be chair.

2057
02:50:24,990 --> 02:50:27,790
Her leadership is outstanding.

2058
02:50:28,750 --> 02:50:30,050
I want to be like her.

2059
02:50:32,370 --> 02:50:34,730
But I don't want to be like some of you.

2060
02:50:35,890 --> 02:50:37,370
Because you've stomped on community.

2061
02:50:39,230 --> 02:50:40,530
You've stomped on minorities.

2062
02:50:42,150 --> 02:50:42,370
Enough.

2063
02:50:43,390 --> 02:50:43,910
Be the change.

2064
02:50:43,950 --> 02:50:44,330
I heard.

2065
02:50:44,830 --> 02:50:45,410
Thank you.

2066
02:50:46,810 --> 02:50:51,330
I wanted to let the board know that the paperwork that was submitted is

2067
02:50:51,330 --> 02:50:54,330
among the papers on the DS that you have already received.

2068
02:50:55,170 --> 02:51:00,570
The next speaker is Isadora McGaali, followed by Timothy Bylash.

2069
02:51:02,790 --> 02:51:04,750
Hello, my name is Isadora McGaali.

2070
02:51:05,530 --> 02:51:09,790
I work for an organization, a grassroots community organization called Mundo Gardens,

2071
02:51:09,870 --> 02:51:11,830
which is face out of the west side of National City.

2072
02:51:12,370 --> 02:51:16,450
I was also born and raised in West Trulvista and have a family that has been in the South

2073
02:51:16,450 --> 02:51:21,050
Bay of San Diego advocating for our communities for generations in Barrio Logan National City

2074
02:51:23,870 --> 02:51:29,850
I'm here at this meeting today, the first time I've ever been to a port of San Diego meeting.

2075
02:51:30,590 --> 02:51:34,530
Sitting here waiting for us to talk about the thing that I think a lot of us were here for.

2076
02:51:34,750 --> 02:51:42,630
And so far on the agenda, I've heard you guys talk about finding street vendors and making petty cabs, pay for things,

2077
02:51:42,690 --> 02:51:44,750
and talking about these things for a long time.

2078
02:51:44,750 --> 02:51:51,310
And I'm here because I'm looking at this port of San Diego logo of Cabrillo, which I think

2079
02:51:51,310 --> 02:51:55,410
is really ironic or not ironic at all.

2080
02:51:55,410 --> 02:51:59,770
And I'm thinking about the people that I work with in the Paradise Creek family garden

2081
02:51:59,770 --> 02:52:06,030
in National City who aren't even able to plant corn or tomatoes or squash or foods that

2082
02:52:06,030 --> 02:52:10,470
they want to grow and eat in the ground because our soil is contaminated with lead.

2083
02:52:10,470 --> 02:52:16,470
So, I'm here thinking about the children that I work with in elementary schools in Southeast

2084
02:52:16,470 --> 02:52:21,950
San Diego and National City in these low-income communities of color that people don't

2085
02:52:21,950 --> 02:52:27,990
have access to food, people don't have access to quality air, people are getting asthma

2086
02:52:27,990 --> 02:52:30,510
at rates higher than other places in the states.

2087
02:52:31,310 --> 02:52:38,010
People have parents and grandparents with cancer and I'm thinking about our health and

2088
02:52:38,010 --> 02:52:42,170
in the South Bay, and I urge you to rescind the

2089
02:52:42,170 --> 02:52:45,130
censure of Sandy not on hope because I know that she cares about

2090
02:52:45,130 --> 02:52:47,810
these things too, and I know that she's here thinking about

2091
02:52:47,810 --> 02:52:50,430
those things and not just thinking about how to develop and

2092
02:52:50,430 --> 02:52:52,690
make continued profits off of the Port of San Diego.

2093
02:52:52,770 --> 02:52:54,830
She's thinking about our communities and representing

2094
02:52:54,830 --> 02:52:55,870
our communities.

2095
02:52:57,370 --> 02:53:00,050
And thank you, Sandy, not on hope for doing that.

2096
02:53:02,010 --> 02:53:06,390
We have Dr. Timothy Bylash, followed by Marcy Bylema.

2097
02:53:13,180 --> 02:53:19,400
Thank you, board commissioners, I'm not familiar with all of you.

2098
02:53:19,480 --> 02:53:24,500
I've seen some of you because I attend Sand Egg meetings and that's really where I've seen the commissioner.

2099
02:53:25,420 --> 02:53:29,920
I speak to item 15 election of officers today as an outsider.

2100
02:53:30,860 --> 02:53:33,500
The citizen of Zerber, I'm up in Delmore.

2101
02:53:34,320 --> 02:53:38,800
But I've attended probably 200 Sand Egg meetings over the past three years.

2102
02:53:38,800 --> 02:53:41,280
And this does not look good.

2103
02:53:41,960 --> 02:53:45,100
I became aware of this by an article I read online.

2104
02:53:46,440 --> 02:53:51,000
And then I have reviewed the findings of the firm

2105
02:53:51,000 --> 02:53:54,960
that the board hired, and I'm a little disturbed.

2106
02:53:55,540 --> 02:53:57,560
I'm a physician and a scientist.

2107
02:53:58,760 --> 02:54:01,500
And I speak today as a public citizen,

2108
02:54:01,840 --> 02:54:07,620
but I have to disclose that I am a candidate for Congress in San Diego.

2109
02:54:07,620 --> 02:54:11,180
but I am speaking from myself as an observer.

2110
02:54:12,160 --> 02:54:14,620
I have not ties to anyone in this.

2111
02:54:19,390 --> 02:54:23,270
In reviewing that finding, I'm not a lawyer,

2112
02:54:23,750 --> 02:54:26,510
but I've read contracts because I'm an independent contractor.

2113
02:54:27,830 --> 02:54:30,370
I don't find much law in it.

2114
02:54:31,050 --> 02:54:32,410
I find a lot of opinion.

2115
02:54:33,810 --> 02:54:36,270
I find a lot of in you end up.

2116
02:54:36,270 --> 02:54:43,430
And so today, I asked you to consider whether this was misunderstanding or miscommunications

2117
02:54:43,430 --> 02:54:49,550
or some way that this was not what it appears to be, and to support the election of Commission

2118
02:54:49,550 --> 02:54:57,170
in Nanyaro for your chair and the continuation of the good work, same-day needs your representation

2119
02:54:57,170 --> 02:54:59,970
in the port, we don't know enough about the important thing.

2120
02:55:00,900 --> 02:55:12,200
So consider the consequences. She represents national city, I've heard, at the Sand Egg meetings, the Indian people's. And this is important. So thank you for your time.

2121
02:55:13,720 --> 02:55:16,280
We have Marcie Vailama.

2122
02:55:20,540 --> 02:55:30,920
Thank you for allowing me to speak. My name is Marcie Bioma. I've been along Sherman for the last 38 years working at the Port of LA, but I also have residency here in Lemon Grove.

2123
02:55:32,120 --> 02:55:38,840
They say that the best defense is often a good offense and I'm wondering if that is what's going on here.

2124
02:55:39,460 --> 02:55:44,300
And it seems like that is going on far and wide and that we're kind of in trouble in this country.

2125
02:55:44,600 --> 02:55:49,120
Climate-wise, the fact that automation is taking people's jobs.

2126
02:55:50,380 --> 02:55:59,980
And so we need people who ask questions and who consider other people and who consider other ideas and thoughts and

2127
02:55:59,980 --> 02:56:04,900
to integrate and pursue those things and not just business as usual.

2128
02:56:05,960 --> 02:56:14,700
I welcome the idea that the port will be able to welcome diversity, education and training,

2129
02:56:14,940 --> 02:56:19,980
community building, complex resolution and shadow integration and other things.

2130
02:56:21,240 --> 02:56:28,960
I am in support of Mr. Rangho's central being rescinded, and I also want to echo the sentiments

2131
02:56:28,960 --> 02:56:31,400
that was expressed earlier by Jesse McKee.

2132
02:56:33,120 --> 02:56:35,480
And that concludes Pappochana.

2133
02:56:37,500 --> 02:56:41,000
Thank you. Commissioner Nalangho, I see that you would like to speak.

2134
02:56:46,820 --> 02:56:51,360
Well, I just want to say to all of you.

2135
02:56:51,360 --> 02:57:01,360
Thank you all for joining me today as we come together to express the gratitude of your unwavering support during this really challenging time.

2136
02:57:02,500 --> 02:57:12,180
Your presence here confirms that we have a shared commitment to uplifting our community, our city, our region, our stakeholders in the benefit of our state public trust.

2137
02:57:12,180 --> 02:57:16,340
Unfortunately, recent events have prevented me from assuming elected office.

2138
02:57:16,980 --> 02:57:22,480
The unexpected center vote last month blindsided many of us, and it is disheartening to witness

2139
02:57:22,480 --> 02:57:26,540
the impact as it has had our ability to contribute positively.

2140
02:57:27,320 --> 02:57:31,400
It is a stark reminder that merely asking questions in seeking the truth should never

2141
02:57:31,400 --> 02:57:34,080
result in such severe retaliation.

2142
02:57:35,040 --> 02:57:41,060
Throughout my tenure, I have consistently advocated for equity, transparency, fairness,

2143
02:57:41,060 --> 02:57:44,640
in accountability and every decision made at this dias.

2144
02:57:45,260 --> 02:57:51,100
My intention has always been to ensure that the court district drives and that the voices of all

2145
02:57:51,100 --> 02:57:53,160
stakeholders are heard and respected.

2146
02:57:53,960 --> 02:57:58,920
It is with great regret that my confidential job review related professional ethics and fair

2147
02:57:58,920 --> 02:58:04,140
bidding questions aimed at protecting the court were not independently and neutrally investigated

2148
02:58:04,140 --> 02:58:05,140
and cleared.

2149
02:58:06,180 --> 02:58:08,640
Leadership like Love is a verb.

2150
02:58:08,960 --> 02:58:12,020
It is action and not words and not self-interested.

2151
02:58:12,660 --> 02:58:17,060
I hope that having that me having asking the right questions at the right time in place

2152
02:58:17,060 --> 02:58:23,280
with the obvious intent of helping the poor project itself with strong professional ethics and fair bidding process

2153
02:58:23,280 --> 02:58:25,260
is properly viewed as leadership.

2154
02:58:26,080 --> 02:58:29,220
I don't need really an official title to lead

2155
02:58:29,220 --> 02:58:33,100
and haven't had a title without actual ethical action is in leadership anyway.

2156
02:58:33,100 --> 02:58:35,800
Well, poor constituents need and deserve

2157
02:58:35,800 --> 02:58:38,640
as ethical leadership in action.

2158
02:58:39,300 --> 02:58:42,200
I've exhibited my leadership by asking questions,

2159
02:58:42,600 --> 02:58:46,120
voting, my conscious, and focusing on poor ethical

2160
02:58:46,120 --> 02:58:47,220
and legal compliance.

2161
02:58:47,740 --> 02:58:51,460
And I remain ready, willing, and able to continue

2162
02:58:51,460 --> 02:58:54,260
to stand up for strong ethics and transparency,

2163
02:58:54,700 --> 02:58:56,220
regardless of my title.

2164
02:58:57,460 --> 02:59:00,540
And again, I extend my deepest appreciation

2165
02:59:00,540 --> 02:59:05,340
to each and every one of you who have stood by my side during this whole ordeal.

2166
02:59:06,080 --> 02:59:10,460
Your support and faith in my abilities as a leader means the world to me.

2167
02:59:11,340 --> 02:59:17,860
And with that, I would like to make a motion that we delay this officer vote today.

2168
02:59:21,140 --> 02:59:21,280
Okay,

2169
02:59:23,450 --> 02:59:25,710
we have a motion, do we have a second?

2170
02:59:32,820 --> 02:59:34,860
Motion fails for a lack of a second.

2171
02:59:35,680 --> 02:59:38,200
You've had your chance to speak, please.

2172
02:59:40,440 --> 02:59:42,980
For lack of a second, the motion dies.

2173
02:59:44,920 --> 02:59:45,140
No.

2174
02:59:45,920 --> 02:59:46,140
No.

2175
02:59:47,340 --> 02:59:47,840
Please.

2176
02:59:49,140 --> 02:59:49,340
Sir.

2177
02:59:50,120 --> 02:59:51,060
You've had your chances.

2178
02:59:51,480 --> 02:59:51,600
Sir.

2179
02:59:51,980 --> 02:59:53,160
Now, we're going to speak now.

2180
02:59:53,560 --> 02:59:53,840
Please.

2181
02:59:58,480 --> 02:59:59,960
So before I...

2182
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:08,860
Entertain a motion for a nomination of a slate of officers. I would like to say a few things as well.

2183
03:00:11,190 --> 03:00:21,020
It pains me to hear many of the comments that I've heard from the public today because so many of those comments were from people who are friends of mine.

2184
03:00:21,960 --> 03:00:26,100
People who I've worked with for many years in our communities.

2185
03:00:27,060 --> 03:00:34,700
When I joined this commission 10 years ago, I was nominated by San Diego Councilman David Albrez.

2186
03:00:35,860 --> 03:00:41,140
I was told that I would never get on the commission because I was not part of the establishment.

2187
03:00:42,220 --> 03:00:48,660
I was too young, I was Latino, I was the president of the San Diego La Rasa Lawyers Association.

2188
03:00:48,660 --> 03:00:58,740
And that that organization was too activist, it was too progressive and that therefore I would not be able to serve.

2189
03:01:01,580 --> 03:01:09,060
Councilman Alvarez wanted me to serve because he wanted me to represent communities like the one that I'm from.

2190
03:01:10,120 --> 03:01:14,920
It's ironic to hear some of this criticism considering that I'm a first-generation kid.

2191
03:01:15,600 --> 03:01:17,680
My parents came here from Mexico.

2192
03:01:18,900 --> 03:01:21,060
Neither of them have even a third grade education.

2193
03:01:23,120 --> 03:01:25,180
And I have personally thought for these issues,

2194
03:01:25,180 --> 03:01:27,180
including environmental justice before,

2195
03:01:27,920 --> 03:01:31,000
it was even being discussed here at the Port of San Diego.

2196
03:01:34,170 --> 03:01:37,590
And I really respect a lot of the people who was spoken here today.

2197
03:01:39,250 --> 03:01:44,370
What we're doing right now is that we're about to vote for our leadership.

2198
03:01:45,530 --> 03:01:51,430
Councilman Bush, just like you get to decide who your poor commissioner is in national city,

2199
03:01:52,090 --> 03:01:55,270
we get to decide who our executive officers are.

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03:01:59,400 --> 03:02:07,080
The reason people choose leaders is based on their qualities, on their leadership qualities,

2201
03:02:09,380 --> 03:02:09,720
trust,

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03:02:12,030 --> 03:02:19,410
character, integrity, honesty, those are the reasons why we choose our leaders.

2203
03:02:19,410 --> 03:02:22,990
it is our prerogative to choose our leaders.

2204
03:02:24,890 --> 03:02:29,230
There is no entitlement to become an executive officer.

2205
03:02:29,450 --> 03:02:32,610
We have traditions, but those traditions are subject to our determination

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03:02:33,220 --> 03:02:38,210
of a person having fitness to lead this organization.

2207
03:02:38,790 --> 03:02:41,810
Now let's talk about what happened last month,

2208
03:02:43,090 --> 03:02:46,690
which obviously affects what's happening here today

2209
03:02:46,690 --> 03:02:53,890
and why Commissioner Naronho is not supported to become chair of this organization.

2210
03:02:54,250 --> 03:02:54,930
She was censured.

2211
03:02:56,130 --> 03:03:04,210
Now, there's been a lot of discussion about evidence in wrongdoing and the conflicts

2212
03:03:04,210 --> 03:03:04,970
of interest.

2213
03:03:05,830 --> 03:03:10,970
The censure was specifically about her retaliating against an employee now.

2214
03:03:12,090 --> 03:03:14,850
When I was going up, my parents were humble people.

2215
03:03:16,130 --> 03:03:24,350
On many, many occasions, I heard my parents being mistreated by their employers, people and

2216
03:03:24,350 --> 03:03:25,770
a position of power,

2217
03:03:27,860 --> 03:03:33,060
what I witnessed, and it's in the report from Commissioner Naronho against

2218
03:03:33,060 --> 03:03:36,660
our General Council Russell, was a hit job.

2219
03:03:37,640 --> 03:03:45,560
It was outrageous, and if my mother or my father or anyone else had been treated like that,

2220
03:03:46,320 --> 03:03:51,260
I would not stand for it and this commission did not stand for it.

2221
03:03:51,440 --> 03:03:55,520
This censure was about what happened in that close session and how she treated it and

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03:03:55,520 --> 03:03:55,780
employee.

2223
03:03:56,220 --> 03:04:01,860
Even if everything in that commissioner on ho has said about our general counsel was true.

2224
03:04:02,520 --> 03:04:06,560
There was a right way to pursue that, a legal way to pursue that.

2225
03:04:06,900 --> 03:04:08,640
An employee has rights.

2226
03:04:09,840 --> 03:04:15,540
Now after that happened, I, as chair of this whole year, I never heard another word about

2227
03:04:15,540 --> 03:04:21,500
it from Commissioner Ron Hill. She shared the audit committee. Nothing ever happened if there was

2228
03:04:21,500 --> 03:04:27,000
such an egregious concerning issue to Commissioner Ron Hill, why didn't she do anything else about it?

2229
03:04:28,280 --> 03:04:35,480
Now let me give you a little bit of backstory. This is in the report, but it gives you the backstory

2230
03:04:36,060 --> 03:04:41,560
on what led to the retaliation. Shortly after joining the Commission Commissioner Ron Hill,

2231
03:04:41,560 --> 03:04:48,640
She complained that this organization was discriminatory, it was racist, it was classist, et cetera, et cetera.

2232
03:04:49,000 --> 03:04:53,900
Upon learning that we had a legal obligation to investigate that complaint, she tried to retract the complaint.

2233
03:04:55,360 --> 03:04:59,840
She didn't cooperate with the investigation. She refused to be interviewed for months.

2234
03:05:00,000 --> 03:05:13,060
And months, and months. Ultimately, she was not interviewed and it was bound that there was no findings of what she had alleged. What did that engender in her colleagues?

2235
03:05:14,480 --> 03:05:22,260
Distrust. Distrust that this person made such a serious complaint and then did not participate in the investigation.

2236
03:05:22,880 --> 03:05:29,400
Just a few short months later, these conflicts of interest issues arose, serious conflicts

2237
03:05:29,400 --> 03:05:34,760
of interest issues, affecting the biggest project in the history of the Port of San Diego

2238
03:05:34,760 --> 03:05:40,260
a $1.2 billion South Bay project that is currently employing 4,000 construction workers,

2239
03:05:40,640 --> 03:05:43,340
people that look like us.

2240
03:05:45,220 --> 03:05:51,360
There were potential criminal implications for those of us on this commission who were just

2241
03:05:51,360 --> 03:06:00,080
volunteers. Despite repeated requests for her to answer questions, it didn't take five days,

2242
03:06:00,440 --> 03:06:07,740
it didn't take five weeks. It took five months before she finally answered to the second

2243
03:06:07,740 --> 03:06:14,600
outside ethics attorneys satisfaction based on her own representations that nothing had occurred

2244
03:06:14,600 --> 03:06:20,140
that would create a conflict. How do you think we felt as for colleagues? That this failure

2245
03:06:20,140 --> 03:06:23,380
to cooperate was occurring for almost for five months.

2246
03:06:23,660 --> 03:06:25,700
Didn't instill any confidence in her colleagues.

2247
03:06:25,960 --> 03:06:26,980
I can assure you of that.

2248
03:06:27,120 --> 03:06:29,700
At one point, she even told the general council,

2249
03:06:29,880 --> 03:06:35,900
I would like an opinion clearing me of conflicts within 24 hours.

2250
03:06:36,300 --> 03:06:38,180
Because my council, my city council,

2251
03:06:38,480 --> 03:06:39,640
is concerned about the allegations.

2252
03:06:40,940 --> 03:06:43,940
He was even more frustrating that we couldn't get the questions answered

2253
03:06:43,940 --> 03:06:45,400
and lighted the fact that we thought,

2254
03:06:45,620 --> 03:06:47,220
well, her council is concerned about this.

2255
03:06:47,540 --> 03:06:49,340
So why can't we get to the bottom of this?

2256
03:06:49,340 --> 03:06:50,840
We can, we can peacefully run.

2257
03:06:50,960 --> 03:06:52,700
We This serve, serve, serve.

2258
03:06:52,860 --> 03:06:54,340
I, you've got to speak, serve.

2259
03:06:55,080 --> 03:06:56,300
Sir, please, let me finish.

2260
03:06:56,800 --> 03:07:00,520
Sir, please let me finish, please let me finish, please let me finish, please let me finish.

2261
03:07:00,520 --> 03:07:01,860
Sir, please let me finish.

2262
03:07:01,880 --> 03:07:03,020
Please let me finish.

2263
03:07:03,140 --> 03:07:04,400
Don't just resolve those problems.

2264
03:07:04,600 --> 03:07:07,500
Please, let me finish, Sir, please let me finish.

2265
03:07:07,500 --> 03:07:08,120
Please let me finish.

2266
03:07:08,540 --> 03:07:09,920
Should I restart?

2267
03:07:09,920 --> 03:07:14,500
She then made these very serious allegations of corruption against our general counsel and

2268
03:07:14,500 --> 03:07:17,500
closed session, without any credible backup.

2269
03:07:17,500 --> 03:07:22,540
In fact, we, immediately, were able to determine that this lawsuit that she had mentioned

2270
03:07:22,540 --> 03:07:28,760
had been dismissed, didn't instill much confidence or trust in our colleague.

2271
03:07:30,280 --> 03:07:34,600
We then had a legal obligation because it appeared retaliatory what we witnessed.

2272
03:07:35,040 --> 03:07:39,080
One of the commissioners in the investigation said it was a radical, personal encounter,

2273
03:07:39,440 --> 03:07:41,300
executed, and a personally egregious way.

2274
03:07:41,680 --> 03:07:46,620
It's hard to express and a written report what we witnessed in that meeting.

2275
03:07:46,620 --> 03:07:53,060
It was outrageous, unacceptable, and illegal.

2276
03:07:55,140 --> 03:08:02,640
She refused to be questioned or participated in an interview by the first investigator

2277
03:08:02,640 --> 03:08:04,080
that we selected.

2278
03:08:04,380 --> 03:08:08,580
We selected that investigator because it was a black woman, progressive, and we thought

2279
03:08:08,580 --> 03:08:11,140
Commissioner Ranho wouldn't have any issues with that person.

2280
03:08:11,760 --> 03:08:16,600
After several months, several months of not scheduling an interview, she finally

2281
03:08:16,600 --> 03:08:21,920
agreed to be interviewed, and then quickly objected to that person. So then we went

2282
03:08:21,920 --> 03:08:25,680
found another person, another outside investigator from Northern California with

2283
03:08:25,680 --> 03:08:32,000
no ties to the region, no ties to anyone. She participates. As part of that

2284
03:08:32,000 --> 03:08:36,220
investigation, she uses that investigation to continue to try to make her

2285
03:08:36,220 --> 03:08:42,320
case against our general counsel. She used the investigation to continue to make

2286
03:08:42,320 --> 03:08:44,140
her case that something had occurred.

2287
03:08:44,580 --> 03:08:45,860
She accepted the investigation.

2288
03:08:46,380 --> 03:08:47,920
She then participated in the investigation,

2289
03:08:48,300 --> 03:08:50,020
but then when the investigation came out

2290
03:08:50,020 --> 03:08:52,880
and the report came out, she didn't like the results

2291
03:08:52,880 --> 03:08:53,560
of the report.

2292
03:08:53,980 --> 03:08:55,520
Now she attacks the investigation.

2293
03:08:55,700 --> 03:08:57,180
Now she attacks the report.

2294
03:08:58,360 --> 03:09:00,220
That doesn't add up to me.

2295
03:09:00,360 --> 03:09:03,180
And I don't think it adds up to my opinion of my colleagues.

2296
03:09:03,700 --> 03:09:04,800
If she had so many concerns,

2297
03:09:04,960 --> 03:09:06,160
why didn't she tell her council?

2298
03:09:06,880 --> 03:09:09,320
Why didn't she tell her council about all

2299
03:09:09,320 --> 03:09:11,060
of these concerns, all of these issues?

2300
03:09:11,060 --> 03:09:19,820
It's not our job to snitch on our member cities, commissioners, they need to speak to their councils if they have issues.

2301
03:09:21,000 --> 03:09:23,420
Now, sir, please, let me finish, please.

2302
03:09:25,100 --> 03:09:30,000
The board's decision to censure commissioner Nauronho, it stands.

2303
03:09:30,440 --> 03:09:36,960
She will not be eligible to become an officer today or tomorrow or thereafter.

2304
03:09:38,910 --> 03:09:47,990
Today we will choose our leaders based on leadership qualities and that we trust them, that we trust them to lead this organization.

2305
03:09:49,590 --> 03:09:57,090
Commissioner Naronho is still a commissioner. She can vote. She can meet with stakeholders. She has a voice.

2306
03:09:58,250 --> 03:09:59,970
But she's not going to be enough.

2307
03:10:00,000 --> 03:10:10,100
Now, I'd like to talk a little bit about environmental justice because we've heard a lot about it, and people are conflating two separate issues, two separate issues.

2308
03:10:13,480 --> 03:10:14,600
Sir, please.

2309
03:10:16,160 --> 03:10:20,620
Sir, help your cause. Sir, we let you speak. Please,

2310
03:10:23,320 --> 03:10:23,600
please, please.

2311
03:10:23,600 --> 03:10:30,120
Senate men were entitled to hold a meeting with decorum. Please, please, please, please.

2312
03:10:30,600 --> 03:10:31,220
Please, please, please.

2313
03:10:31,240 --> 03:10:32,180
Audience, please.

2314
03:10:32,840 --> 03:10:39,820
Thank you. This organization, during the ten years that I've been here, has taken tremendous

2315
03:10:39,820 --> 03:10:47,840
strides to address the issues that you're concerned about, Councilman Bush, major progress.

2316
03:10:47,840 --> 03:10:55,980
In 2010, we're the first port in California to implement shore power for our cruise vessels.

2317
03:10:56,560 --> 03:11:02,180
In 2013, we were one of the first ports in the country to adopt a climate action plan.

2318
03:11:03,260 --> 03:11:03,400
The first.

2319
03:11:03,400 --> 03:11:04,120
The first.

2320
03:11:04,280 --> 03:11:10,720
In 2014, we introduced environmental justice as an element in our portmaster plan update, had not been done before.

2321
03:11:11,420 --> 03:11:15,720
In 2015, the balance plan that we hear about all the time in national city,

2322
03:11:15,720 --> 03:11:23,440
That was done with our all-manational city poor commissioner, Duki Valderama, and the Mayor of National City, Ron Morrison.

2323
03:11:23,900 --> 03:11:31,600
In 2016, we did a programmatic EIR at the 10th Avenue Marine Cargo Terminal, so that we could redevelop that cargo terminal.

2324
03:11:32,140 --> 03:11:40,660
And when we fully built it out, when that happens, we will have less air pollution than we have today with the 400 increase and throughput.

2325
03:11:42,100 --> 03:11:48,180
In 2018, we offloaded the first electric off-road trucks at the 10th Avenue Marine Cargo

2326
03:11:48,180 --> 03:11:48,580
Terminal.

2327
03:11:49,300 --> 03:11:53,820
In 2020, we entered into a multi-agency agreement for Harbor Drive 2.0, which will

2328
03:11:53,820 --> 03:11:58,500
help keep trucks out of the barrio and improve air quality and improve the quality of life

2329
03:11:58,500 --> 03:11:59,180
for those people.

2330
03:11:59,720 --> 03:12:03,200
I was all before Commissioner Naronho joined this organization.

2331
03:12:05,000 --> 03:12:09,740
Folks, this commission and this organization is committed to environmental justice, and we've

2332
03:12:09,740 --> 03:12:16,460
putting our money where our mouth is, tens of millions of dollars. This year we have received

2333
03:12:16,460 --> 03:12:21,620
$80 million dollars alone this year in state and federal money. We've already committed to

2334
03:12:21,620 --> 03:12:26,180
spent over $60 million dollars to electrification efforts. The first fully electric mobile

2335
03:12:26,180 --> 03:12:32,580
harvour cranes in North America. Next year, the first fully electric tugboat, more shore power,

2336
03:12:33,380 --> 03:12:37,900
more electric cargo handling equipment. We have the most aggressive electric truck

2337
03:12:37,900 --> 03:12:45,340
goals in the entire country at the port of San Diego. It has been a team effort and we will

2338
03:12:45,340 --> 03:12:53,140
continue to do all of that work. Now we did get a letter from an LA-based group, Mr.

2339
03:12:53,280 --> 03:12:59,840
Marquez appears that he has left. Look, if we haven't seen any evidence of anything that

2340
03:12:59,840 --> 03:13:04,660
has been alleged against our general counsel, actual evidence. If you've got some, bring

2341
03:13:04,660 --> 03:13:14,440
with love to see it. But all we've seen is in UNDO. And frankly, I have been quiet about

2342
03:13:14,440 --> 03:13:19,860
saying anything about our general counsel because I did not want to do any additional harm

2343
03:13:19,860 --> 03:13:24,760
from what has been happening and ongoing and continues to be perpetuated, which is attacks

2344
03:13:24,760 --> 03:13:27,740
through proxies and Commissioner Naronho's attorney.

2345
03:13:30,200 --> 03:13:33,640
Show us the evidence. Mr. Russell

2346
03:13:33,640 --> 03:13:37,500
has been one of the most exemplary public servants that I have ever served with.

2347
03:13:38,120 --> 03:13:44,840
He's got a 40-year legal career, 20 years in public service, 20 years in public service.

2348
03:13:47,090 --> 03:13:55,550
It has been incredible to see what has been said, what has been done with respect to him and his

2349
03:13:55,550 --> 03:14:02,110
character. Like I've said, if you have actual evidence of actual financial conflicts of interest,

2350
03:14:02,110 --> 03:14:09,310
we would love to see them. But if you don't, then I would love to get beyond this incredible

2351
03:14:09,310 --> 03:14:17,310
distraction for this organization. We get to pick our leaders. We do not have confidence in

2352
03:14:17,310 --> 03:14:18,750
commissioner Narlan Hill.

2353
03:14:23,140 --> 03:14:26,200
And with that, I will entertain a motion for an nomination for a

2354
03:14:26,200 --> 03:14:32,020
slate of officers for 2024. I would actually like to speak because I felt like you've mentioned

2355
03:14:32,020 --> 03:14:37,320
And so much that I haven't had the chance to respond to any of the claims you have made.

2356
03:14:37,700 --> 03:14:41,120
First of all, let's go back on the timeline when you said how this all started.

2357
03:14:41,880 --> 03:14:48,380
First of all, when I had shared with former chairman, Mike Suket, I was just sharing about

2358
03:14:48,380 --> 03:14:51,500
how I was feeling down, about not being treated well.

2359
03:14:52,180 --> 03:14:56,320
And so then that's what triggered the hiring of an outside counselor.

2360
03:14:56,320 --> 03:14:59,980
At that same time, I wanted to make sure that if I'm gonna do it

2361
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:28,920
I wanted to be represented because I don't know who that outside council was. I want to make sure my voice was heard. That very same time, outside influence started attacking me saying that I was engaged in pay to play, because during that time, my ex has been and I started open to business account and we were hoping to do business and to do consulting work not related to port. And because I got stressed out, didn't know what to do because this was off first.

2362
03:15:28,920 --> 03:15:36,620
The first time, first time I was in public service, I didn't know why people that I lined with were accusing me of pay to play.

2363
03:15:37,380 --> 03:15:41,720
So at that time, I did talk to Mr. Russell, I met with Sutton, they did analysis.

2364
03:15:42,640 --> 03:15:46,240
And I thought it was good, and that means mind you, I was not working in my consulting.

2365
03:15:46,980 --> 03:15:53,900
I never received income. We opened it and we closed it, which is noted in the Gary Winnick memo.

2366
03:15:54,440 --> 03:16:04,520
So, first on that, so second, going into the investigation, so going into close session,

2367
03:16:04,960 --> 03:16:08,420
I bought it up because I didn't want to do it publicly like we're doing this today.

2368
03:16:08,620 --> 03:16:09,920
I wanted to have a chance.

2369
03:16:10,420 --> 03:16:15,000
I wanted to make sure that we truly investigate if there's clear answer clearance, but

2370
03:16:15,000 --> 03:16:16,820
everyone shut me down.

2371
03:16:17,420 --> 03:16:22,380
So that stopped and nobody told me afterwards, actually it was only you, on my birthday

2372
03:16:22,380 --> 03:16:26,920
when I called you a week later, you told me there would be consequences for I did and I felt bad

2373
03:16:26,920 --> 03:16:31,600
because I just wanted to ask questions because I was hearing these things. I don't want to take it as

2374
03:16:31,600 --> 03:16:36,940
truth. I wanted to get down to the bottom of it. So then when the investigator was hired,

2375
03:16:37,800 --> 03:16:46,300
Jan is Brown, again, I want to make sure I had a fair voice. And so, so I told the deputy

2376
03:16:46,300 --> 03:16:50,080
general counsel, I want to make sure, like, no, no, no, she's a professional. It's not that,

2377
03:16:50,080 --> 03:16:53,240
I'm saying she's not a professional, I wanted a fair process.

2378
03:16:54,720 --> 03:17:00,220
And so it wasn't till the summer, you know, what happened with our CEOs, our CEOs

2379
03:17:00,220 --> 03:17:05,080
don't leave when that happened, then it was a commitment to change the outside counselor

2380
03:17:05,080 --> 03:17:06,580
to make sure it was fair.

2381
03:17:07,020 --> 03:17:10,560
But the thing that was misleading about it is that one,

2382
03:17:12,940 --> 03:17:20,060
it was already, it was already

2383
03:17:20,060 --> 03:17:26,040
that my ex-husband was told by the Deputy General Counselor who was in charge of it that, you

2384
03:17:26,040 --> 03:17:31,440
know, she's telling my ex-husband and his family that I'm going down. So there was already a

2385
03:17:31,440 --> 03:17:37,660
decision, no hurry to determine. So what process did I have? I had no process. And it wasn't

2386
03:17:37,660 --> 03:17:41,980
until I finished, when I finished investigation, I'm going to say this. When I finished those

2387
03:17:41,980 --> 03:17:48,280
interviews, I wrote a statement because I knew they were going to twist my words, I knew

2388
03:17:48,280 --> 03:17:53,120
So I made sure I wrote down I was like here's the fact this is what happened. This is what I heard

2389
03:17:53,120 --> 03:17:58,640
This is what I did in December. This is the effects that happened afterwards and that was what I was told

2390
03:17:58,640 --> 03:18:04,580
It was going to be heard and it never was and never was looking to people that I put in that report

2391
03:18:04,580 --> 03:18:11,580
We're never investigated and never interviewed and so this was never this is not because I refuse

2392
03:18:11,580 --> 03:18:16,420
No, I did refuse. I wanted to do it right, but there's all these attacks coming in and out

2393
03:18:16,420 --> 03:18:18,760
And I was compliant.

2394
03:18:19,880 --> 03:18:21,340
So at the end of the day,

2395
03:18:21,920 --> 03:18:25,380
this is not because I'm this terrible employer now,

2396
03:18:25,620 --> 03:18:27,420
because actually my form of background number,

2397
03:18:27,560 --> 03:18:28,680
I was a union organizer.

2398
03:18:29,460 --> 03:18:30,840
I advocated for workers' rights.

2399
03:18:31,940 --> 03:18:36,200
My dad, a blue color worker, my mom, both of them immigrants,

2400
03:18:36,880 --> 03:18:37,940
both of them poor.

2401
03:18:38,780 --> 03:18:40,460
Learning English is a second language.

2402
03:18:40,880 --> 03:18:42,540
So yes, I come from the working class,

2403
03:18:42,760 --> 03:18:45,800
background, and I know what it means to advocate for rights

2404
03:18:45,800 --> 03:18:53,480
you don't have rights. But I wanted a fair process, and that was not granted. Not granted. And then actually,

2405
03:18:54,400 --> 03:18:59,780
you know, obviously the Central Decision was made a week before, because then I get told

2406
03:18:59,780 --> 03:19:05,100
about Monday. I get Monday morning. Oh, yeah, by the way, you're getting censured. I didn't even know

2407
03:19:05,100 --> 03:19:10,520
what I was like, wait, what's going on? Especially if the decision was made. What, Wednesday? Right?

2408
03:19:10,520 --> 03:19:13,220
when I was so I had to keep like nothing told.

2409
03:19:13,640 --> 03:19:16,540
So that means there was an actually made that day.

2410
03:19:17,140 --> 03:19:19,000
People waited Wednesday, people waited Thursday,

2411
03:19:19,160 --> 03:19:20,820
people waited Friday, waited Saturday,

2412
03:19:21,000 --> 03:19:23,300
waited Sunday, Monday, and then Monday,

2413
03:19:23,400 --> 03:19:24,120
they get a call.

2414
03:19:25,300 --> 03:19:28,160
And so, and to be fair, when I was committed

2415
03:19:28,160 --> 03:19:30,520
because I didn't want to breach confidentiality,

2416
03:19:30,860 --> 03:19:33,900
not talk about close session, I didn't go to

2417
03:19:33,900 --> 03:19:35,680
tell my city council, oh, this is what I said,

2418
03:19:36,260 --> 03:19:37,120
and this is what I said in close session,

2419
03:19:37,800 --> 03:19:40,100
because what happened in close session is what happened in close session.

2420
03:19:40,100 --> 03:19:47,580
But I did make aware of my council members. I was like, yeah, you know, I know, you know, commissioners make them comfortable with me

2421
03:19:47,580 --> 03:19:51,040
But I'm trying to work on it. You know, I've reached out. I've talked to you know

2422
03:19:51,040 --> 03:19:56,880
I've had coffee with some of you had conversations, you know, and and at the end of day

2423
03:19:57,280 --> 03:19:59,980
Nobody was really straightforward me saying I'm still mad at you for a

2424
03:20:00,020 --> 03:20:00,780
This issue.

2425
03:20:02,940 --> 03:20:27,140
So this was not fair. It was just not a fair process. And so the community, and I really think the community, because I would have never know what the report said. And because the community came out last minute, they demanded, and that's why you guys waved it. So again, it's just like, this is what we do, right? This is what the report does.

2426
03:20:28,900 --> 03:20:34,520
So, I wanted the third process, I was not given the third process, I was already accused guilty,

2427
03:20:35,320 --> 03:20:41,540
I was already accused of malicious, somehow it's in my self-interest ask questions, what's in my self-interest?

2428
03:20:42,600 --> 03:20:47,180
What is in my self-interest ask questions about things I hear and Los Angeles?

2429
03:20:47,660 --> 03:20:49,460
What do I gain at it?

2430
03:20:49,700 --> 03:20:51,460
Does my income go up?

2431
03:20:51,780 --> 03:20:53,380
Does my popularity go up?

2432
03:20:53,380 --> 03:20:57,460
Because I didn't close session. I you know what it was really about me. I would have done it right here

2433
03:20:58,020 --> 03:21:02,360
I'm Commissioner of Commence of like you know what time I sold you are X no

2434
03:21:02,360 --> 03:21:06,640
I didn't even say you are corrupt in that room. I just asked questions

2435
03:21:08,920 --> 03:21:16,240
So then again, and that was never sat down and told okay, Sandy here's the fact X Y and Z no none of that was ever granted

2436
03:21:16,240 --> 03:21:23,140
It was just misleading. It was misleading for the beginning. It was already against me and my council had already heard

2437
03:21:23,140 --> 03:21:38,840
You know, my council member can attest. Here are rumors. My whole city council mayor. Yeah, yeah, there's a tends to remove you a tends to remove you. Again, you know, what I'm hearing is that from the port side using port resources to advocate to my mayor and council to remove me.

2438
03:21:40,310 --> 03:21:52,150
If this was the other way around, if I was going to go into your city, say, hey, remove Rafa, remove Malcolm, remove our toss in, you know, there will be big backlash, right? But there's nothing because what did I do just ask questions?

2439
03:21:52,950 --> 03:21:57,030
So, is that we want to be known if you ask questions, where are we sitting to stop?

2440
03:21:57,410 --> 03:22:01,170
If staff sees something wrong, if you ask a question, be aware, you'll be retaliated.

2441
03:22:01,850 --> 03:22:02,790
That's the message we're sending.

2442
03:22:05,350 --> 03:22:10,790
And I'm just going to say, I mean, of course, I already know what the decision you made for your officers today.

2443
03:22:11,550 --> 03:22:18,890
And whatever the list is, I'm going to vote no on it because again, it goes against our own board policy one.

2444
03:22:18,890 --> 03:22:24,970
And I have not shown that I'm just malicious self-interest because I was not giving that due process.

2445
03:22:25,910 --> 03:22:26,130
Not.

2446
03:22:27,870 --> 03:22:30,470
You know, you could have told me, Rapa, like, hey, there's going to be an investigation.

2447
03:22:31,370 --> 03:22:35,690
Hey, hey, we're going to hear your side. Nothing. I get an email.

2448
03:22:36,930 --> 03:22:42,690
And I'm pressured by timing because you guys wanted to have a close session discussion within a few days.

2449
03:22:44,250 --> 03:22:46,370
It's not fair. It's not fair.

2450
03:22:46,370 --> 03:22:53,290
So I'm going to know because it goes against it and again, this is not about just me, this is about my city.

2451
03:22:53,990 --> 03:22:58,450
National city was slated to be chair, the last time national city was chair was 2017.

2452
03:22:59,510 --> 03:23:05,270
And so you're telling my city, yes, politically the center her because she's never going to be chair.

2453
03:23:05,790 --> 03:23:12,810
Because I'm telling you, when I talk to other courts in Niagara commissioners be censored, they don't get prevented from holding office.

2454
03:23:13,390 --> 03:23:16,710
And I heard what other commissioners done, they got surgery, and it was really bad.

2455
03:23:17,910 --> 03:23:24,250
And so this is a political strategy to censure me, prohibit me from holding office,

2456
03:23:24,850 --> 03:23:30,410
tar and feathered me, not give me due process, because you're telling my city remove her.

2457
03:23:30,610 --> 03:23:32,110
That's what you did.

2458
03:23:33,250 --> 03:23:35,190
I have no gratitude towards that.

2459
03:23:35,490 --> 03:23:35,890
None.

2460
03:23:36,650 --> 03:23:42,430
So I'm voting no against this because this unfair, not just to me, but unfair to the city,

2461
03:23:42,430 --> 03:23:46,490
unfair to the public because they deserve the right to know the full process.

2462
03:23:46,610 --> 03:23:52,870
They deserve it. So it's unfortunate we're here. I'm so sorry that this is

2463
03:23:52,870 --> 03:23:56,850
to become a distraction and I'm going to tell you all even though we get the

2464
03:23:56,850 --> 03:24:01,110
new rotation of officers for 2024. I'm still committed. I'm still going to vote.

2465
03:24:01,330 --> 03:24:05,990
I'm still going to ask questions and I'm still going to do my job. And I have much respect for

2466
03:24:05,990 --> 03:24:10,490
the poor staff. I respect for everything you do to hours you work. I respect all the

2467
03:24:10,490 --> 03:24:16,950
I come in and hearing this, I respect all of you, and sometimes we may not agree on certain things, but you know what?

2468
03:24:17,330 --> 03:24:23,410
I'm willing to do the hard work and to get us there, to get us there to how we can make this port district the most amazing district.

2469
03:24:25,210 --> 03:24:27,990
And with that, whatever motion, I'm going to know.

2470
03:24:28,310 --> 03:24:32,470
Mr. Chairman, I know that there's people that want to speak that are already lined up to speak.

2471
03:24:32,730 --> 03:24:39,230
I would just ask for one thing here, we should not be relocating this investigation today.

2472
03:24:39,970 --> 03:24:46,690
I'd rather not do that. Let's stick to what is before us. That is the election of the officers for 2024.

2473
03:24:47,950 --> 03:24:49,690
In due time, I'd like to make some remarks.

2474
03:24:50,390 --> 03:24:51,290
Okay. Commissioner Malcolm.

2475
03:24:53,010 --> 03:24:57,250
Okay. Well, I'll defer to Commissioner Kass and if he'd like to make remark right now.

2476
03:24:57,250 --> 03:24:59,730
Well, no, what I'm...

2477
03:25:00,000 --> 03:25:03,960
Let me make my remarks. Okay, look,

2478
03:25:06,000 --> 03:25:10,620
everybody knows I served on this board in the 90s. Everybody knows

2479
03:25:10,620 --> 03:25:21,040
I was happily retired. Sitting at home and joining my 60s, I was asked to come back. I did something

2480
03:25:21,040 --> 03:25:28,040
that nobody's ever done. Came back to represent a different city within the member's cities.

2481
03:25:28,740 --> 03:25:30,540
But he's never done that.

2482
03:25:32,550 --> 03:25:34,290
What I was asked to come back.

2483
03:25:35,030 --> 03:25:36,290
I was happily retired.

2484
03:25:37,570 --> 03:25:39,770
I was asked to come back, because obviously,

2485
03:25:40,270 --> 03:25:43,490
I must have done a pretty good job in my tenure here.

2486
03:25:45,290 --> 03:25:48,410
When I served on this board, I was in my 30s.

2487
03:25:49,730 --> 03:25:51,370
I'm now in my 60s.

2488
03:25:52,870 --> 03:25:54,850
When I was in my 30s,

2489
03:25:55,170 --> 03:25:58,250
I knew how a commissioner should comport themselves.

2490
03:25:59,130 --> 03:26:05,870
I must have done a pretty good job in that ten year, in those ten years that I served initially.

2491
03:26:06,610 --> 03:26:09,190
And Sean was here, Sean was a young intern at the time.

2492
03:26:12,030 --> 03:26:14,330
I was asked to serve his chair twice.

2493
03:26:15,890 --> 03:26:16,730
Two times.

2494
03:26:18,190 --> 03:26:20,890
Lucky is the commissioner that gets to serve what?

2495
03:26:23,640 --> 03:26:24,920
I got to serve twice.

2496
03:26:25,820 --> 03:26:30,980
And I got to serve twice, I think, because also I must have done a good job.

2497
03:26:32,330 --> 03:26:35,790
I must have deemed the respect for my colleagues.

2498
03:26:37,570 --> 03:26:38,730
They asked me to serve twice.

2499
03:26:39,910 --> 03:26:44,730
Now, I know enough about this port to know

2500
03:26:44,730 --> 03:26:48,370
that the rotation of officers is not a guarantee.

2501
03:26:50,670 --> 03:26:53,450
You don't send just because you're a secretary

2502
03:26:53,450 --> 03:26:56,010
that you're going to be vice chair next year.

2503
03:26:56,810 --> 03:26:58,250
That's not the way it works.

2504
03:26:59,410 --> 03:27:05,210
If you turn your stripes, if you turn your stripes at this organization, you have to get the

2505
03:27:05,210 --> 03:27:14,170
respect, because nothing binds any of us from selecting the person just because they were

2506
03:27:14,170 --> 03:27:17,770
secretary last year or vice-year to ascend to the chairmanship.

2507
03:27:19,570 --> 03:27:22,350
You have to earn it, you have to earn it.

2508
03:27:22,470 --> 03:27:28,010
Now, what we're talking about today, if you want to come in here and give us a bunch of

2509
03:27:28,010 --> 03:27:37,130
that this is racism and what have you save it for another day, save it for when there's real racism causes out there.

2510
03:27:37,350 --> 03:27:39,030
Because that's not what this is.

2511
03:27:41,650 --> 03:27:49,070
The representation of any one of our member cities is not impacted by this decision today or the censorship.

2512
03:27:50,390 --> 03:27:56,870
It is not, you can keep your comments to yourself.

2513
03:27:56,870 --> 03:28:01,370
And if you don't agree with me, that's okay, I listen to you and I want you to listen to me.

2514
03:28:02,670 --> 03:28:03,070
Now,

2515
03:28:06,130 --> 03:28:10,950
as we, I really think Mr. Chairman that what we need to be in talking about here today,

2516
03:28:10,950 --> 03:28:12,950
there's one item that's here before us.

2517
03:28:13,250 --> 03:28:16,410
I don't want to we litigate what took place already. We already did that.

2518
03:28:16,970 --> 03:28:21,150
We had a third party independent from the law and do the work.

2519
03:28:21,230 --> 03:28:24,730
If you like the results or not, if you liked what was in there or not,

2520
03:28:24,730 --> 03:28:29,090
But if you thought it was a nothing burger, the people that sit up here on the diet still

2521
03:28:29,090 --> 03:28:31,170
didn't state that,

2522
03:28:33,670 --> 03:28:39,490
I want to keep the discussion today to what's before us, the selection

2523
03:28:39,490 --> 03:28:42,370
of the officers for 2024.

2524
03:28:45,210 --> 03:28:45,710
Thank you.

2525
03:28:46,010 --> 03:28:46,470
Commissioner Malcolm.

2526
03:28:48,150 --> 03:28:48,790
Thank you, Chair.

2527
03:28:51,370 --> 03:28:57,330
Well, of all the commissioners up here with the exception of Anne Moore that's maybe four

2528
03:28:57,330 --> 03:29:04,230
days behind me. I believe I'm the dean of this board. I've sat here over 13 years, almost

2529
03:29:04,230 --> 03:29:04,750
14.

2530
03:29:07,250 --> 03:29:11,230
And before that, I was a city councilman. And before that, I was on the board of

2531
03:29:11,230 --> 03:29:17,470
Sharp Health Care with 22,000 employees. And before that, I was on a lot of other boards,

2532
03:29:18,710 --> 03:29:23,810
administering $300 million funds to sweetwater schools. I've been on a lot of boards.

2533
03:29:26,650 --> 03:29:27,090
Unfortunately,

2534
03:29:27,090 --> 03:29:33,250
And I have never seen the kind of outbursts in a meeting that I've seen today and all my

2535
03:29:33,250 --> 03:29:37,490
experience and being on boards and I'll tell you something, you all have the absolute

2536
03:29:37,490 --> 03:29:43,090
right to get up and speak your mind and that's why we have comment time.

2537
03:29:43,730 --> 03:29:49,730
What you don't have the right to do is to cat call after that time is over because you all

2538
03:29:49,730 --> 03:29:52,290
would not appreciate it in your chamber.

2539
03:29:52,290 --> 03:29:59,970
I certainly wouldn't have when I was a council member and I don't appreciate it here nor do I appreciate the added

2540
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:10,140
Common and Attacks, specifically at our chair. It is totally inappropriate. You've got the absolute right to say what you want. You attack our

2541
03:30:10,140 --> 03:30:26,960
chair, add hominema tax, you attack our employee. I heard calls of criminal out there. If you think it then bring it. Bring the evidence. I have worked with this man for over 10 years. I have, I don't think

2542
03:30:26,960 --> 03:30:33,160
early, work with somebody that is more upstanding, that is more ethical and moral than Tom

2543
03:30:33,160 --> 03:30:38,160
Russell. And I've had a chance to observe him through, I believe, what Tom, over, over

2544
03:30:38,160 --> 03:30:45,600
a decade, over a decade. And I'm saying that is a public servant of very experienced public

2545
03:30:45,600 --> 03:30:52,760
official and board member. So your own title to your opinion, but if you, if you have actual

2546
03:30:52,760 --> 03:30:59,980
facts as the chairman has just said bring those facts. If not the in you window in the personal

2547
03:30:59,980 --> 03:31:09,560
threats against us, totally not appropriate and they were made to date. Now this is not an action

2548
03:31:09,560 --> 03:31:16,480
against national city and I totally agree with my colleagues last comment that I am committed

2549
03:31:16,480 --> 03:31:21,440
to work with her. First of all, I don't choose for her to be on the board. National city does.

2550
03:31:21,440 --> 03:31:24,840
I am going to work with her for

2551
03:31:24,840 --> 03:31:29,100
international city on the balance plan on other initiatives.

2552
03:31:29,260 --> 03:31:31,520
It's why I voted for the money for the

2553
03:31:31,520 --> 03:31:35,080
much more money than my city got a lot more dollars.

2554
03:31:35,380 --> 03:31:38,520
I've got to go back to my council and I have to just to

2555
03:31:38,520 --> 03:31:42,860
justify my vote of national city getting millions more

2556
03:31:42,860 --> 03:31:45,380
than we gave my city.

2557
03:31:46,020 --> 03:31:48,960
And my city as you may or may not know is number one

2558
03:31:48,960 --> 03:31:51,100
in the county and the poverty under the poverty line.

2559
03:31:51,100 --> 03:32:00,420
not yours, mine. My city is suffering from huge inequity in environment, huge. Our

2560
03:32:00,420 --> 03:32:08,500
air quality is awful. So I, you know, I have sat here 13 years and I identify with

2561
03:32:08,500 --> 03:32:12,880
with with with these with these items and it's very hard for me to hear that the city

2562
03:32:12,880 --> 03:32:17,520
has not been represented. I remember in 2015 when I came to Urandon when I was going to be

2563
03:32:17,520 --> 03:32:25,140
for the first time? What did I say? National City Balance Plan is going to be on the agenda this year.

2564
03:32:26,220 --> 03:32:32,020
And staff told me, Dan, this is really tough because nobody, nobody can figure out what to do

2565
03:32:32,020 --> 03:32:37,340
and I said, you know what? We are going to get it on and we are going to move it forward. I'm sure

2566
03:32:37,340 --> 03:32:43,300
you remember that discussion? Because it was a commitment to the city. We have a commitment to all our

2567
03:32:43,300 --> 03:32:52,680
city. I am very committed to national city and your needs. It is not about you. So we don't

2568
03:32:52,680 --> 03:33:00,220
today have a motion to undo a sensor on this agenda. We have a motion and a rotation of officers.

2569
03:33:00,880 --> 03:33:06,000
And let me just correct the misconception that I heard out there. Because I heard a lot of legal

2570
03:33:06,000 --> 03:33:12,680
opinions out there in the audience. Yes, we have a policy board policy one on rotation of officers.

2571
03:33:13,320 --> 03:33:18,520
No, the board policy does not say that there is any particular order of rotation.

2572
03:33:18,780 --> 03:33:25,060
It says Commissioner Ertasson said, Commissioner, Chair, Castiano said, you have to

2573
03:33:25,060 --> 03:33:25,880
learn that.

2574
03:33:26,960 --> 03:33:33,400
So we have the obligation and the right to pick whoever we want to be officers of this

2575
03:33:33,400 --> 03:33:34,040
organization.

2576
03:33:34,460 --> 03:33:36,120
There is no law that says otherwise.

2577
03:33:36,160 --> 03:33:41,620
If you think there is, bring it, show it to me, doesn't exist, I've read the law.

2578
03:33:43,360 --> 03:33:53,160
So with that, you know, this is a really, really unfortunate situation, but Sandy, I want you to know something, I am going to work with you on your city's needs.

2579
03:33:54,160 --> 03:34:05,640
I have respected you as a colleague. I, you know, this is an unfortunate situation, but I am going to make a motion now for the officer if that's appropriate to her.

2580
03:34:05,640 --> 03:34:07,360
It's not, I can do that at a later time.

2581
03:34:07,360 --> 03:34:21,440
It is appropriate. Okay, I'm going to move Frank or Tasson as the 2024 chair. I'm going to move Daniel Moore is the 2024 vice chair and I'm going to move and more is the 2024 secretary officers of this organization.

2582
03:34:21,900 --> 03:34:23,700
I'll second that motion.

2583
03:34:24,500 --> 03:34:26,060
Do we have more comment?

2584
03:34:28,310 --> 03:34:30,370
Commissioner Moore. Sure. I'll speak.

2585
03:34:36,080 --> 03:34:41,100
I'm pausing because I want to just take a breath. I know that this is a difficult meeting.

2586
03:34:41,100 --> 03:34:45,960
the topic of this meeting is very emotionally charged.

2587
03:34:47,400 --> 03:34:52,400
A year ago, almost a year ago, we took a vote.

2588
03:34:53,280 --> 03:34:56,400
And before we took that vote, all of us came out here,

2589
03:34:56,680 --> 03:34:58,720
and we had a vote for the slate of officers.

2590
03:35:00,880 --> 03:35:15,860
And no one reached agreement on that vote. If anyone was present, each of us were asked to vote and we could not. And that was on the heels of the subject of the report. And that was a no-confidence vote.

2591
03:35:16,820 --> 03:35:29,420
And following that meeting where we ultimately acquiesce, we did not have a report, we hadn't done the research, we did not fully investigate everything, and it seemed unfair to make a decision at that time.

2592
03:35:29,420 --> 03:35:35,460
But we sat in that meeting and we saw what happened, we saw the exchange and I was the first person to speak up.

2593
03:35:35,700 --> 03:35:43,580
My heart was racing, I was absolutely uncomfortable with the exchange between Commissioner Naronho and our General Council.

2594
03:35:44,980 --> 03:35:47,500
It did not seem right to me, it did not seem fair.

2595
03:35:49,400 --> 03:35:51,900
And I am still the newest kid on the block.

2596
03:35:52,120 --> 03:35:56,300
It seemed inappropriate for me to speak, but I spoke up because I did not feel like it was right.

2597
03:35:56,300 --> 03:35:59,140
And this is what I told Commissioner Naranho.

2598
03:36:01,260 --> 03:36:03,060
I don't throw rocks and hide my hand.

2599
03:36:04,620 --> 03:36:06,520
I'm straightforward and I'm honest.

2600
03:36:06,940 --> 03:36:09,340
And I told her I did not like what happened in that meeting.

2601
03:36:10,160 --> 03:36:12,060
I told her I felt like it was wrong.

2602
03:36:15,340 --> 03:36:18,280
And when we talk about being in this position,

2603
03:36:19,220 --> 03:36:21,940
we are each sent here by the member cities.

2604
03:36:26,360 --> 03:36:27,660
And we each have a responsibility,

2605
03:36:28,540 --> 03:36:31,320
not just to our cities, but to the people of California.

2606
03:36:32,220 --> 03:36:40,420
We are empowered as stewards of the tidalans, not as stewards for national city or San Diego or

2607
03:36:40,420 --> 03:36:41,220
Chula Vista.

2608
03:36:42,060 --> 03:36:45,800
Our purpose on this board is so much larger than who we are.

2609
03:36:49,820 --> 03:36:56,320
And Commissioner Ranho was sent here by National City and she talked about, you know, she's

2610
03:36:56,320 --> 03:36:57,540
here to ask questions.

2611
03:36:59,640 --> 03:37:04,520
Well, I have a new commissioner, the questions that I ask are, what am I at the co-responsibilities?

2612
03:37:05,360 --> 03:37:10,620
What is the relationship that I'm called to have with employees?

2613
03:37:11,860 --> 03:37:14,620
How do I negotiate and be successful in this position?

2614
03:37:17,960 --> 03:37:20,400
I have the opportunity to serve as a chair,

2615
03:37:21,040 --> 03:37:22,680
but I did not think that I was ready.

2616
03:37:23,760 --> 03:37:25,460
I wanted more time to learn this organization

2617
03:37:26,020 --> 03:37:30,120
to take a tour of patient, to understand the operations of dull,

2618
03:37:30,840 --> 03:37:36,240
to understand all the intricacies that go into having this power

2619
03:37:36,240 --> 03:37:39,020
and being a voice for the community.

2620
03:37:41,420 --> 03:37:45,200
And while we're asking questions to be advocates on behalf of different groups,

2621
03:37:45,640 --> 03:37:48,320
we also have to take professional questions and ask,

2622
03:37:48,520 --> 03:37:51,040
why are we here, what is the extent of our power,

2623
03:37:51,340 --> 03:37:52,800
what is the scope of our authority?

2624
03:37:55,160 --> 03:37:58,560
There's some responsibility that the City of National City has to have.

2625
03:37:59,240 --> 03:38:01,180
Because when she came here and she talked about,

2626
03:38:01,300 --> 03:38:03,200
she did not know about pay-to-play,

2627
03:38:03,780 --> 03:38:05,860
that's responsibility on the National City,

2628
03:38:05,860 --> 03:38:10,620
in terms of the candidates that they sent here and the training that they give them, give them

2629
03:38:10,620 --> 03:38:14,940
and the preparation that they have to serve in this role and in this seat. And I don't

2630
03:38:14,940 --> 03:38:20,240
not think that that is something that national city can can jerk or that they can say that

2631
03:38:20,240 --> 03:38:29,320
they are not responsible for. This is a major platform. This has an impact on so many millions of people.

2632
03:38:29,320 --> 03:38:38,920
This is much larger than even San Diego county, the amount that we generate, as an organization,

2633
03:38:39,980 --> 03:38:43,840
the economic impact that we have, is a big deal.

2634
03:38:45,060 --> 03:38:49,120
So the candidates that you send here need to be prepared to sit in a seat.

2635
03:38:50,880 --> 03:38:57,560
And this is not to downplay Commissioner Ronald, what we have heard repeatedly is that she is an excellent advocate.

2636
03:38:58,220 --> 03:39:03,980
that she is passionate about the community, that she is enthusiastic about her job,

2637
03:39:07,270 --> 03:39:07,550
but that

2638
03:39:07,550 --> 03:39:16,430
has to meet preparation, that has to meet training, education, for such a large responsibility.

2639
03:39:17,130 --> 03:39:21,150
So, I don't think that that is something that Commissioner Rano should bear alone.

2640
03:39:21,290 --> 03:39:27,870
I think there's some responsibility on the city of national city to help her prepare to be in

2641
03:39:27,870 --> 03:39:31,550
position to ask the right questions and make sure that there are no violations.

2642
03:39:36,960 --> 03:39:43,120
The last thing that I would say is that I'm bothered when I hear so many people come and

2643
03:39:43,120 --> 03:39:47,260
say that they are entitled to have a position.

2644
03:39:47,900 --> 03:39:54,120
When I was appointed, I was not told that the people who are currently serving as Vice Chair

2645
03:39:54,120 --> 03:39:59,200
and Secretary that I have to vote for them in order to progress them on to the position

2646
03:39:59,200 --> 03:39:59,960
chair and

2647
03:40:01,140 --> 03:40:13,540
We each are entitled to a vote. That's not something that we relinquish or that we give over to anyone, despite the pressure, or whatever is said in the audience about how we vote. That is our vote.

2648
03:40:14,380 --> 03:40:21,560
And no one is entitled to it. We each are entitled to decide who will lead this organization, who will lead this body.

2649
03:40:21,560 --> 03:40:27,080
And I agree with chair, with our chairman, that there was diminished confidence,

2650
03:40:29,250 --> 03:40:40,190
and as I started with that was reflected last year, when no one wanted to vote for the slate of candidates, and I was one of them.

2651
03:40:42,570 --> 03:40:53,470
And this year we had a report, we had more information, and I will move forward with Commissioner Malcolm's vote with the slate that he proposed.

2652
03:40:55,580 --> 03:40:57,140
Thank you commissioner.

2653
03:40:58,340 --> 03:40:59,480
Commissioner Moore?

2654
03:41:00,080 --> 03:41:00,360
Yes.

2655
03:41:03,320 --> 03:41:05,080
So I just have to gather my thoughts.

2656
03:41:05,760 --> 03:41:08,100
I think everybody here has been very emotional.

2657
03:41:09,300 --> 03:41:09,860
Myself included.

2658
03:41:10,940 --> 03:41:19,700
First, I want to say I agree with the fact that no one is entitled to be chair of this organization.

2659
03:41:20,280 --> 03:41:26,680
It is based upon the other commissioners deciding that you are the appropriate person

2660
03:41:26,680 --> 03:41:34,640
to be chair of this organization. So there is no entitlement to a position. Second, I want to

2661
03:41:34,640 --> 03:41:41,300
make it clear that this does not mean that national city is forsaken. I think that you've heard

2662
03:41:41,300 --> 03:41:46,620
National City has heard over and over again that we are all committed to work with your commissioner

2663
03:41:46,620 --> 03:41:52,260
and we're all committed to put the cause of national city forward as we have done in the past

2664
03:41:52,260 --> 03:41:58,220
over and over again. So it doesn't change anything with respect to that. And you know what

2665
03:41:58,220 --> 03:42:05,760
when you think about it, there's five member cities. Each member city gets a chance every seven

2666
03:42:05,760 --> 03:42:11,980
years, every ten years, to be chair of the organization. It doesn't mean for the rest of the time

2667
03:42:11,980 --> 03:42:17,420
that the rest of the cities don't get to do things that are important to their community. And it

2668
03:42:17,420 --> 03:42:22,840
it means that their city is not represented because that's not true. So the

2669
03:42:22,840 --> 03:42:27,540
chairmanship in my mind is totally different than the representation of a

2670
03:42:27,540 --> 03:42:31,860
member city with respect to the interests and the issues that are important to

2671
03:42:31,860 --> 03:42:36,380
that community. I think there are two different things here. So it's unfortunate

2672
03:42:36,380 --> 03:42:43,040
that we're at the place that we are today. It's unfortunate that we are all

2673
03:42:43,040 --> 03:42:44,680
placed in this situation.

2674
03:42:45,140 --> 03:42:50,380
But honestly, the chairmanship is based upon who we all believe

2675
03:42:50,380 --> 03:42:53,440
can run and can actually lead this organization.

2676
03:42:54,000 --> 03:42:56,640
When you look at Mr. Commissioner Tassen,

2677
03:42:57,480 --> 03:42:59,840
he, I have a lot of respect for him.

2678
03:42:59,860 --> 03:43:00,920
He has wisdom.

2679
03:43:01,420 --> 03:43:04,700
He's been chair twice in the past.

2680
03:43:05,180 --> 03:43:08,420
He has been a commissioner of two member cities.

2681
03:43:08,900 --> 03:43:10,820
I mean, I don't think that's ever been done before.

2682
03:43:10,820 --> 03:43:18,160
one of the member cities being a South Bay community. So I think that that's actually a perfect

2683
03:43:18,160 --> 03:43:26,100
perfect choice. With respect to the Vice Chair, the Vice Chair is an expert in renewable energy.

2684
03:43:26,360 --> 03:43:32,600
What are we doing now that we are doing in every single meeting? It's always related to issues related

2685
03:43:32,600 --> 03:43:39,480
to renewable energy. I can't think of a better person for that job. Somebody that I also have respect

2686
03:43:39,480 --> 03:43:46,760
for and trust. So with respect to the slate, I think that it actually is a good slate to

2687
03:43:46,760 --> 03:43:53,260
lead this organization forward. And I just want to before I say any close, I've worked with

2688
03:43:53,260 --> 03:44:00,500
Tom Russell for 12 years and over 12 years. And I have found him to be beyond having integrity.

2689
03:44:00,860 --> 03:44:06,920
And it's really frustrating to me when people come in here and people make comments about

2690
03:44:06,920 --> 03:44:15,280
him that basically alleged things that they don't, I don't even, there's no basis for that.

2691
03:44:15,720 --> 03:44:20,000
As we've been saying over and over again, if there is bring it, we want to see it.

2692
03:44:20,000 --> 03:44:21,800
We haven't seen it.

2693
03:44:22,180 --> 03:44:29,500
And so to actually, and to hurt somebody's reputation, who's been an attorney for 30 plus

2694
03:44:29,500 --> 03:44:31,980
years, it's just hurtful to me.

2695
03:44:31,980 --> 03:44:38,200
And frankly, if I was him, I would hire an attorney and I would sue for slander quite frankly.

2696
03:44:38,560 --> 03:44:45,520
Because if you, as an attorney, if you have your reputation attacked, then that is just basically everything.

2697
03:44:46,120 --> 03:44:50,180
And that's what we've been seeing over and over again, that's been going on.

2698
03:44:50,340 --> 03:44:52,080
And frankly, that's not fair.

2699
03:44:53,120 --> 03:44:56,120
So anyways, with that said, that's all I have to say.

2700
03:44:56,240 --> 03:44:56,800
Thank you.

2701
03:44:57,280 --> 03:44:58,460
Thank you, Commissioner Moore.

2702
03:44:58,460 --> 03:44:59,980
That's what...

2703
03:45:56,040 --> 03:46:05,100
Okay, thank you. We'll now move on. Back to item 14, development proposals from gauge zero LLC and sky

2704
03:46:05,100 --> 03:46:11,000
charge is LLC with respect to the electric truck charging station.

2705
03:46:16,340 --> 03:46:23,790
We're going to take, by the way, that clock there thankfully is off, oh, you know, I'm sorry

2706
03:46:23,790 --> 03:46:28,690
I'm wrong, it's the Hover Island West Community Development, my bad, but I'm assuming that

2707
03:46:28,690 --> 03:46:30,110
clocks are off.

2708
03:46:31,830 --> 03:46:35,530
Good, we just got an hour back, I'm sorry, I didn't 13 actually,

2709
03:46:37,780 --> 03:46:38,880
it's about like 5.51.

2710
03:46:38,880 --> 03:46:39,680
Thank you.

2711
03:46:39,680 --> 03:46:40,880
Thank you.

2712
03:47:03,820 --> 03:47:03,980
Thank you.

2713
03:47:04,740 --> 03:47:05,080
Thank you.

2714
03:47:12,020 --> 03:47:13,040
Please go ahead.

2715
03:47:13,980 --> 03:47:17,940
Chairman Castiono's and commissioners acting as a meconicolio and general counsel vessel.

2716
03:47:18,500 --> 03:47:20,880
I'm Wiley Manali's Director of Development Services.

2717
03:47:21,680 --> 03:47:25,740
Today, we will be presenting for the staff's consideration for the Board's consideration,

2718
03:47:26,040 --> 03:47:29,080
a series of recommended actions for the Harbor Island West.

2719
03:47:29,780 --> 03:47:34,880
Marine, a redevelopment project proposed by HIVW associates or HIVW.

2720
03:47:34,880 --> 03:47:44,360
At the staff table are Megan Hamilton with Bellman Services, Amy Garrison with Real Estate and David Jones with General Counsel's Office.

2721
03:47:45,780 --> 03:47:51,320
And joining us in the audience, our other members of the project team as well as representative representatives from A.T.W.

2722
03:47:51,760 --> 03:47:52,460
Next slide.

2723
03:47:57,150 --> 03:48:03,030
Today's staff will be requesting that the board take the following four actions on Heart Island, West Marine, and a redevelopment project.

2724
03:48:03,030 --> 03:48:09,490
First, adopt the mitigated, the final, mitigated, negative observation, or M&D, and mitigation monitoring,

2725
03:48:09,890 --> 03:48:14,910
testing program, or MMRP, and direct staff to file the notice of determination.

2726
03:48:15,930 --> 03:48:22,430
Second, grant concept approval to HIDOLU, third, conduct a public hearing, and authorize

2727
03:48:22,430 --> 03:48:28,610
issuance of an appealable, coastal development permit, or CDP to HIDOLU, and fourth, grant

2728
03:48:28,610 --> 03:48:31,910
an option to leave the time out. We just lost our quorum.

2729
03:48:34,800 --> 03:48:36,500
This sign would take a little pause

2730
03:48:37,360 --> 03:48:38,400
bathroom break.

2731
03:48:41,300 --> 03:48:42,220
If you could just sit tight,

2732
03:48:59,980 --> 03:49:00,480
please proceed.

2733
03:49:01,940 --> 03:49:06,620
And fourth action is grant an option to lease agreement with HIW. Next slide.

2734
03:49:07,680 --> 03:49:08,960
We'll now turn it over to the media.

2735
03:49:14,980 --> 03:49:16,880
Thank you, Violet and good afternoon.

2736
03:49:18,100 --> 03:49:23,760
The Hot Rylan West, our Inner Read Development Project, is located at the West End of

2737
03:49:23,760 --> 03:49:31,040
Hot Rylan at 2040, Hot Rylan Drive, adjacent to Tom Hames, Lighthouse Restaurant.

2738
03:49:31,860 --> 03:49:32,860
Next slide.

2739
03:49:34,100 --> 03:49:42,000
The project would redevelop all landslide and what is by marine facilities, including demolishing

2740
03:49:42,000 --> 03:49:50,200
replacing aging bacteria to yielding and dark, replacing parking lot and landscaping, renovating

2741
03:49:50,200 --> 03:49:56,420
the unsafe pool and hot tub, and also renovating public facilities, including a water

2742
03:49:56,420 --> 03:49:59,240
slide, promenade, and a public view in Jack.

2743
03:50:00,530 --> 03:50:11,150
Next slide. Specifically, the project involves three new buildings, a 380 space parking lot with 12 of those

2744
03:50:11,150 --> 03:50:21,730
spaces available to the general public, 11 new dogs providing 620, 2030, of which one of them, 35 foot slip with

2745
03:50:21,730 --> 03:50:25,150
free for non-profit use.

2746
03:50:25,150 --> 03:50:25,510
You can.

2747
03:50:25,830 --> 03:50:27,090
A 12-foot wide public.

2748
03:50:27,470 --> 03:50:28,350
It's a site for me.

2749
03:50:28,490 --> 03:50:29,110
You're all good.

2750
03:50:29,190 --> 03:50:32,430
And it's 6,000 square foot public viewing deck.

2751
03:50:33,310 --> 03:50:35,590
The public, the projects will increase,

2752
03:50:35,670 --> 03:50:39,750
green space, energy efficiency, and water conservation,

2753
03:50:40,750 --> 03:50:43,610
and provide for a greater diversity of voters.

2754
03:50:46,680 --> 03:50:49,860
In accordance with the California Environmental Quality Act will

2755
03:50:49,860 --> 03:50:53,700
A draft M&D was prepared for the project.

2756
03:50:54,520 --> 03:50:58,400
A 30-day public review commenced December 5, 2019,

2757
03:50:59,440 --> 03:51:01,740
and finished January 6, 2020.

2758
03:51:03,000 --> 03:51:04,880
One comment letter was received

2759
03:51:04,880 --> 03:51:07,620
from California Crystal Commission staff,

2760
03:51:08,320 --> 03:51:11,120
and discussed issues related to sea level rise,

2761
03:51:11,400 --> 03:51:13,040
parking and air quality,

2762
03:51:14,160 --> 03:51:17,680
as well as asking for clarification on slip utilization,

2763
03:51:17,680 --> 03:51:21,800
Licing, Bayfill, and Eongrass mitigation.

2764
03:51:23,400 --> 03:51:25,840
Stock prepared a written response to the comment letter

2765
03:51:25,840 --> 03:51:29,360
and made some corresponding edits to the final MMD.

2766
03:51:30,760 --> 03:51:33,320
The comment letter and responses did not result

2767
03:51:33,320 --> 03:51:36,020
in any new significant environmental impacts

2768
03:51:36,020 --> 03:51:38,820
and previously identified project impacts

2769
03:51:38,820 --> 03:51:40,480
remain less than significant.

2770
03:51:42,000 --> 03:51:44,000
Therefore, draft MMD public reviews

2771
03:51:44,000 --> 03:51:45,900
recirculation was not required.

2772
03:51:48,830 --> 03:51:52,450
Within cooperation of mitigation measures identified

2773
03:51:52,450 --> 03:51:57,670
in the MMMP that mitigated negative declaration

2774
03:51:57,670 --> 03:52:01,390
finds that the project will reduce potentially significant

2775
03:52:01,390 --> 03:52:05,350
adverse impacts for the topics listed on this slide

2776
03:52:05,690 --> 03:52:07,830
to a level below significance.

2777
03:52:08,870 --> 03:52:11,850
Therefore, the project will not have a significant effect

2778
03:52:11,850 --> 03:52:12,610
on the environment.

2779
03:52:15,040 --> 03:52:16,000
Next slide, please.

2780
03:52:17,220 --> 03:52:22,900
Additionally, as a result of ongoing coordination with Crystal Staff, the project description

2781
03:52:22,900 --> 03:52:29,440
was updated since public review of the draft M&D, as shown in the table on this slide.

2782
03:52:30,320 --> 03:52:36,060
Firstly, the number of replacement docs was increased from 10 to 11, and the number of slips

2783
03:52:36,060 --> 03:52:39,340
was increased from 603 to 623.

2784
03:52:40,480 --> 03:52:47,560
This change did result in additional impacts to ill-gross than were originally identified in the draft M&D.

2785
03:52:48,360 --> 03:52:52,880
However, ill-gross impacts as mitigated remain less than significant.

2786
03:52:54,400 --> 03:53:00,720
Second, the number of parking spaces available for public use was increased from 4 to 12 spaces.

2787
03:53:02,180 --> 03:53:06,820
Updates to the project description, do not amount to a substantial revision, pursuant to

2788
03:53:06,820 --> 03:53:11,380
sequo, and public review, recirculation of the draft M&D was not required.

2789
03:53:13,830 --> 03:53:20,830
Next slide, pursuant to BPC policy 357, plans for new tenant development must be presented

2790
03:53:20,830 --> 03:53:22,570
to the board for approval.

2791
03:53:23,070 --> 03:53:26,430
If a project is estimated to cost more than $500,000.

2792
03:53:26,430 --> 03:53:31,550
This project is estimated to cost 45 to $50 million.

2793
03:53:32,770 --> 03:53:36,510
Stuff recommends the board grant concept approval for the project.

2794
03:53:38,530 --> 03:53:39,290
Next slide.

2795
03:53:40,610 --> 03:53:44,090
The project is consistent with the certified potmaster plan.

2796
03:53:44,770 --> 03:53:48,150
The project has been determined to be an appealable development

2797
03:53:48,150 --> 03:53:49,950
per cent to the coastal act.

2798
03:53:50,670 --> 03:53:54,730
The project, as conditioned, is fully consistent with

2799
03:53:54,730 --> 03:53:57,450
Chapter 3 and 8 of the Crystal Act.

2800
03:53:58,750 --> 03:54:02,090
Special conditions are incorporated into the CDPA

2801
03:54:02,090 --> 03:54:04,290
to ensure the project's conformance

2802
03:54:04,290 --> 03:54:06,810
with the M&D mitigation measures

2803
03:54:07,180 --> 03:54:10,430
and related district and Crystal Staff requirements.

2804
03:54:11,950 --> 03:54:13,690
Staff recommends board authorization

2805
03:54:13,690 --> 03:54:16,510
of issuance of an appealable CDPA.

2806
03:54:17,410 --> 03:54:19,090
I want to alternate over to Amy

2807
03:54:19,090 --> 03:54:20,370
to complete the presentation.

2808
03:54:21,370 --> 03:54:22,070
Next slide, please.

2809
03:54:28,980 --> 03:54:30,560
Thank you, Megan and good afternoon.

2810
03:54:30,560 --> 03:54:33,840
I am Amy Garrison, program manager at the Real Estate Department.

2811
03:54:34,760 --> 03:54:41,040
I am pleased to present H.I.W.'s proposed option to lease agreement and proposed amended and recated lease.

2812
03:54:41,700 --> 03:54:46,820
H.I.W. has been the owner and operator of the marina since 1982. The current lease

2813
03:54:46,820 --> 03:54:54,560
commenced on September 1, 1981, and terminated on March 31, 2023. The board's approval of the

2814
03:54:55,300 --> 03:54:59,900
will result in a short term extension of HIVW's current lease.

2815
03:55:00,000 --> 03:55:07,200
By allowing HIW to remain in possession under the current lease, so long as HIW complies with the option agreement.

2816
03:55:07,960 --> 03:55:13,260
The option agreement and the current lease will be also be cross-defaulted for the district's protection.

2817
03:55:14,580 --> 03:55:18,960
The leasehold is comprised of 3.8 acres of land and 22 acres of water.

2818
03:55:19,840 --> 03:55:25,180
HIW's status as a tenant in good standing, the proposed investment, and features of the proposed project,

2819
03:55:25,960 --> 03:55:28,580
Qualifies HRW to obtain a least-term extension.

2820
03:55:29,480 --> 03:55:30,080
Next slide, please.

2821
03:55:32,800 --> 03:55:35,860
Today, staff is requesting that the board grant HRW

2822
03:55:35,860 --> 03:55:37,240
an option to lease agreement.

2823
03:55:38,120 --> 03:55:40,620
During the 18-month term of the option to lease agreement,

2824
03:55:40,920 --> 03:55:44,220
HRW will be required to submit the four key deliverables

2825
03:55:44,220 --> 03:55:47,180
shown on the screen to exercise their option to enter

2826
03:55:47,180 --> 03:55:49,560
into the proposed amended and restated lease.

2827
03:55:50,000 --> 03:55:53,580
Should HRW fail to complete these requirements within 18 months,

2828
03:55:53,580 --> 03:56:00,660
The proposed amended and restated lease will not be executed and the lease hold and all project permits and plans will revert to the district.

2829
03:56:01,380 --> 03:56:02,080
Next slide, please.

2830
03:56:05,040 --> 03:56:10,080
Attached to the option to lease agreement is the proposed amended and restated lease or A&R lease.

2831
03:56:10,400 --> 03:56:15,440
The proposed A&R lease has a term of 40 years as well as one tenure option to extend.

2832
03:56:16,180 --> 03:56:22,120
In order to exercise the option to extend, HIV must be attended in good standing and have completed all work,

2833
03:56:22,120 --> 03:56:33,300
Recommended in an inspection report resulting from an inspection of the entire leasehold to be performed no earlier than 24 months prior to the initial the expiration of the initial 40 year term

2834
03:56:34,240 --> 03:56:41,960
Construction of the proposed project will commence once the A and our lease has been executed and has an estimated construction duration of two years

2835
03:56:41,960 --> 03:56:48,300
The new 623 slip marina is expected to be complete by year three of the A and our lease

2836
03:56:48,300 --> 03:56:53,480
which coincides with the commencement of stepping creases and minimum annual rent through year 5.

2837
03:56:54,320 --> 03:56:58,560
Minimum annual rent will be adjusted every 5 years, commencing in year 10.

2838
03:56:59,700 --> 03:57:05,760
Also commencing in year 3 are stepping creases to percentage rent on the rental boat slips, which is known as the slip rate.

2839
03:57:06,520 --> 03:57:10,300
Until recently, a slip rates report tenants have not exceeded 22%.

2840
03:57:11,360 --> 03:57:17,260
The slip rates reflected here align with other recently negotiated gradual thick step increases

2841
03:57:17,260 --> 03:57:21,380
is to slip rates above 22% for other port tenant marinas.

2842
03:57:22,200 --> 03:57:25,480
The slip rate of 25% during the 10-year option period

2843
03:57:25,480 --> 03:57:28,520
is a President setting highest rate on tidelines,

2844
03:57:29,000 --> 03:57:32,060
which will establish a new market rate comparable

2845
03:57:32,060 --> 03:57:35,380
for the district to use in future marina rent negotiations.

2846
03:57:36,320 --> 03:57:37,200
Next slide, please.

2847
03:57:39,020 --> 03:57:42,000
The Harbour Island West marina redevelopment project

2848
03:57:42,000 --> 03:57:45,100
meets a district objectives regarding environmental stewardship

2849
03:57:45,100 --> 03:57:47,380
and public access to the waterfront.

2850
03:57:48,000 --> 03:57:52,560
Staff believes the HIV's commitments outlined in the option to lease agreement and ANR lease

2851
03:57:52,560 --> 03:57:57,940
are substantial and they have the financial and operational wherewithal to operate a world-class

2852
03:57:57,940 --> 03:57:59,680
marina on district titans.

2853
03:58:00,560 --> 03:58:05,300
Therefore, staff recommends that the board take the four actions shown on the slide including

2854
03:58:05,300 --> 03:58:11,020
conducting a public caring for item C. This concludes staff's presentation. Staff and representatives

2855
03:58:11,020 --> 03:58:13,120
from HIV are available for questions.

2856
03:58:13,600 --> 03:58:14,100
Thank you.

2857
03:58:25,690 --> 03:58:30,810
Thank you very much. We will now move on to public comment. Do we have any public comment?

2858
03:58:30,970 --> 03:58:32,170
We have no public comment.

2859
03:58:32,390 --> 03:58:35,850
Okay, great. Moving on to commissioner comments and questions commissioner Tasson.

2860
03:58:36,030 --> 03:58:38,790
I think that was opened and closed public hearing.

2861
03:58:39,110 --> 03:58:41,750
Oh, sorry. There was open and it was closed.

2862
03:58:42,850 --> 03:58:48,970
Thank you Mr. Chairman and thank you to staff for your thorough evaluation.

2863
03:58:48,970 --> 03:58:55,390
I also, I, I want to congratulate the proposal, the, the, the applicant on this project.

2864
03:58:56,210 --> 03:59:01,670
It's, it's indicative you get one letter from the Coastal Commission that we're able to respond to.

2865
03:59:02,330 --> 03:59:05,970
The public is, you know, there's no opposition to it.

2866
03:59:06,110 --> 03:59:08,670
It's an absolutely beautiful redevelopment.

2867
03:59:08,850 --> 03:59:12,430
It's exactly what we want here at the Port of San Diego.

2868
03:59:12,610 --> 03:59:14,010
I couldn't be more delighted.

2869
03:59:14,410 --> 03:59:18,950
I'll move staffs recommendation, realizing there may be other comments here from other commissions.

2870
03:59:20,390 --> 03:59:21,430
Thank you.

2871
03:59:22,570 --> 03:59:27,070
Do we have any other commissioners who would like to speak or would anyone like to second that motion and then speak?

2872
03:59:27,570 --> 03:59:28,150
Second it.

2873
03:59:28,150 --> 03:59:29,010
Second it.

2874
03:59:29,190 --> 03:59:30,470
And just very quickly.

2875
03:59:31,790 --> 03:59:35,110
I'm going to agree with everything Commissioner Tassen has said.

2876
03:59:35,530 --> 03:59:42,510
We've talked a long, long time here on the board about what we expect the quality we expect around the bay.

2877
03:59:42,710 --> 03:59:45,010
I've used the term world class many times.

2878
03:59:46,030 --> 03:59:55,410
And I've also said, and sometimes the port tennis don't like me saying this, that there's no guarantee that you're going to be a tenant perpetually around this Bay.

2879
03:59:55,610 --> 03:59:58,050
You've got to earn it and you need to invest in your leasehold.

2880
03:59:59,070 --> 03:59:59,970
And when I see a project...

2881
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:14,340
I'd like to like this, a beautiful project using, you know, really, that appears, that land side, that the more, the, the docs, everything about this project has been done really first class.

2882
04:00:14,960 --> 04:00:23,220
I am very, very happy to support it, and I like to see the kind of quality of project this is. I look forward to more more high quality projects coming to us.

2883
04:00:24,740 --> 04:00:26,480
Thank you Commissioner Moore.

2884
04:00:27,220 --> 04:00:32,460
Yes, thank you before voting on it, I just wanted to make sure for the record that I did read the staff report.

2885
04:00:33,060 --> 04:00:34,560
So I am familiar with the project.

2886
04:00:34,820 --> 04:00:38,140
I'm sorry I had to step off the diet, my mother is ill.

2887
04:00:38,940 --> 04:00:43,620
And I just call for my brother that it was an emergency he needed to speak to me.

2888
04:00:44,040 --> 04:00:50,100
So everything is fine, but I just wanted to make sure the public knew that I did read the staff report.

2889
04:00:50,100 --> 04:00:53,160
And that is the basis upon which I will vote for this project.

2890
04:00:53,540 --> 04:00:54,440
Thank you.

2891
04:00:54,460 --> 04:00:55,240
Thank you, Commissioner.

2892
04:00:59,060 --> 04:01:01,500
I am also supportive of the project.

2893
04:01:01,640 --> 04:01:02,660
It's a great project.

2894
04:01:03,020 --> 04:01:07,300
It's not that often that we get a project of this size and scope without opposition.

2895
04:01:07,820 --> 04:01:08,920
I agree with Commissioner Malcolm.

2896
04:01:09,160 --> 04:01:13,700
It's exactly what we're trying to do, so I look forward to getting the project completed.

2897
04:01:14,620 --> 04:01:15,920
We have a first and a second.

2898
04:01:15,920 --> 04:01:18,380
I guess we have to take these individually separately.

2899
04:01:18,380 --> 04:01:24,600
So we have a first and a second on item A. Let's vote on item A.

2900
04:01:37,160 --> 04:01:38,920
Yeah, to me.

2901
04:01:45,320 --> 04:01:48,580
I don't think commissioner a more has it on her

2902
04:01:48,580 --> 04:01:49,000
Screen,

2903
04:02:13,560 --> 04:02:26,520
please vote again. Motion pass unanimously with commissioner D more hadn't so cad excuse. Okay, can I get a motion and the second on item B.

2904
04:02:30,820 --> 04:02:31,900
Okay, please vote

2905
04:02:33,720 --> 04:02:37,380
Motion passed unanimously with commissioners D. Moron Zuket Excuse.

2906
04:02:37,960 --> 04:02:41,220
Okay. Can I get a motion in a second on item C?

2907
04:02:46,040 --> 04:02:47,060
Please vote.

2908
04:02:47,940 --> 04:02:50,960
Motion passed unanimously with commissioners Zuket Excuse.

2909
04:02:53,940 --> 04:02:57,240
Okay, and can I get a motion in a second on item D?

2910
04:03:00,750 --> 04:03:02,150
Don't move, please vote.

2911
04:03:02,630 --> 04:03:05,270
Motion passed unanimously with commissioners Zuket Excuse.

2912
04:03:06,250 --> 04:03:08,110
Great. Thank you. Thank you, staff.

2913
04:03:08,110 --> 04:03:12,370
I will move on to item 14, the development proposals

2914
04:03:14,450 --> 04:03:18,530
for the electric truck charging stations.

2915
04:03:40,670 --> 04:03:41,370
Good

2916
04:03:50,710 --> 04:03:51,060
afternoon.

2917
04:03:52,090 --> 04:03:52,550
Good evening.

2918
04:03:52,990 --> 04:03:54,030
One of those.

2919
04:03:54,190 --> 04:03:57,910
Chairman Costionos, commissioners and acting president,

2920
04:03:58,190 --> 04:03:59,470
Nick Leo for the record.

2921
04:03:59,690 --> 04:04:04,370
My name is Maggie Weber, principal strategic planning with the energy and policy team.

2922
04:04:04,370 --> 04:04:10,330
I am joined by Jason Giffin, Vice President of Planning and Environment, Ryan Donald, Department

2923
04:04:10,330 --> 04:04:13,670
Manager Real Estate and Simon Khan Assistant General Counsel.

2924
04:04:14,370 --> 04:04:19,070
Today's presentation is an update on staff's efforts to provide infrastructure on

2925
04:04:19,070 --> 04:04:23,430
tidelines for zero-emission trucks serving the Ports Marine Cargo Terminals.

2926
04:04:24,490 --> 04:04:25,270
Next slide, please.

2927
04:04:26,130 --> 04:04:32,670
In October 2021, the board adopted the Maritime Clean Air Strategy and cast for short, which includes

2928
04:04:32,670 --> 04:04:39,150
Several ambitious milestone goals for early adoption of the zero emission trucks, serving the

2929
04:04:39,150 --> 04:04:40,470
Ports Marine Cargo Terminals.

2930
04:04:40,970 --> 04:04:46,170
The aim is, for 40% of all trucks that call the Ports Marine Cargo Terminals, be zero

2931
04:04:46,170 --> 04:04:50,930
emission by midway through 2026 and 100% by 2030.

2932
04:04:51,530 --> 04:04:56,310
Infrastructure to power these zero emission trucks is critical to achieving these aspirations.

2933
04:04:56,310 --> 04:04:59,910
and cast Truck Bowl 2, Ask Staff to Facility.

2934
04:05:00,000 --> 04:05:05,860
The Department of Infrastructure to support the transition to zero-emission truck trips, serving the

2935
04:05:05,860 --> 04:05:07,180
Ports Marine Cargo terminals.

2936
04:05:09,400 --> 04:05:09,960
Next slide.

2937
04:05:11,180 --> 04:05:16,220
As you can see, this doesn't happen overnight. After the MCAS was adopted, the team came back

2938
04:05:16,220 --> 04:05:20,860
to the board with a truck transition plan, the following summer. The truck transition plan

2939
04:05:20,860 --> 04:05:27,140
is the playbook for how we achieve 100% zero-emission trucks. Next, pursuant to MCAS

2940
04:05:27,140 --> 04:05:32,800
truck objective 2A, which asked staff to return to the sport with the concept plan for implementing

2941
04:05:32,800 --> 04:05:38,280
regional truck infrastructure by identifying at least four potential sites by the end of 2022,

2942
04:05:39,020 --> 04:05:44,540
staff released a request for information solicitation known as an RFI for short last summer.

2943
04:05:45,140 --> 04:05:49,740
The RFI formally asked the industry about proposed business models and how they would develop

2944
04:05:49,740 --> 04:05:56,400
theoretical zero-emission truck infrastructure sites. Staff received 18 responses to the RFI

2945
04:05:56,400 --> 04:06:01,400
and the sites located at the intersection of 19th Street in Thailand's Avenue and National City

2946
04:06:01,400 --> 04:06:03,060
were the most popular with respondents.

2947
04:06:03,840 --> 04:06:07,220
Last fall, staff provided updates to the community and stakeholders

2948
04:06:07,220 --> 04:06:12,820
and last November, the board adopted a resolution directing staff to move forward

2949
04:06:12,820 --> 04:06:16,060
with issuing a request for proposal solicitation,

2950
04:06:16,620 --> 04:06:20,060
known as an RFP for a zero-mission truck stop in national city.

2951
04:06:20,640 --> 04:06:24,420
The RFP was open this past summer and since it closed a few months ago,

2952
04:06:24,420 --> 04:06:29,040
The staff has been busy analyzing the six responses we received and have continued to keep

2953
04:06:29,040 --> 04:06:32,200
stakeholders and community members updated on this process.

2954
04:06:32,980 --> 04:06:38,100
We are now before you this evening with staff's two proposal team finalists, gauge zero

2955
04:06:38,100 --> 04:06:39,260
and sky chargers.

2956
04:06:40,560 --> 04:06:41,060
Next slide.

2957
04:06:43,280 --> 04:06:48,480
This map provides a refresher of where zero mission truck stop will be located.

2958
04:06:49,080 --> 04:06:55,720
These four sites on titans were included in the RFI and the two sites identified in the

2959
04:06:55,720 --> 04:07:03,160
popular and thus the RFP's proposed development location. It is located directly south of the

2960
04:07:03,160 --> 04:07:08,420
Ports General Services Building just north of National City Marine Cargo Terminal and approximately

2961
04:07:08,420 --> 04:07:12,360
three miles south of 10th Avenue Marine Terminal. Next slide please.

2962
04:07:14,720 --> 04:07:16,000
Here's a closer look at the

2963
04:07:16,000 --> 04:07:23,640
sites included in the RFP. The RFP was opened from April 27th to August 9th 2023 and asked for

2964
04:07:23,640 --> 04:07:34,560
proposals to design, build, operate and maintain a zero-mission truck stop on one or more of three adjacent parcels which together is approximately 13 acres.

2965
04:07:35,200 --> 04:07:46,580
The RFP requested business models that focus on battery electric technology, a project design that builds out the site in a phased approach based on increased utilization rates,

2966
04:07:46,580 --> 04:07:53,180
Incorporate distributed energy resources to offset impacts to the grid provides a community benefit

2967
04:07:53,180 --> 04:07:58,800
includes a revenue sharing agreement on site amenities and although open to the public provides

2968
04:07:58,800 --> 04:08:04,660
preferential treatment or excuse me preferential charging for trucks calling to and from the

2969
04:08:04,660 --> 04:08:12,660
ports marine cargo terminals. This next slide please. This item will now include a presentation

2970
04:08:12,660 --> 04:08:17,820
from both finalists, gauge zero and sky chargers on their respective proposals.

2971
04:08:18,320 --> 04:08:24,160
Each finalist has 10 minutes. I will then return for a brief summary as to why staff selected

2972
04:08:24,160 --> 04:08:31,300
these two entities as finalists. In the stakeholder and community engagement we've conducted this fall.

2973
04:08:31,940 --> 04:08:36,920
Following the presentations, the board has an opportunity to ask the finalist questions and provide

2974
04:08:36,920 --> 04:08:38,880
feedback regarding the proposals.

2975
04:08:39,880 --> 04:08:45,020
For next steps, staff proposals to provide each finalist 30 days to revise their initial

2976
04:08:45,020 --> 04:08:50,640
proposal if they so choose to, and staff anticipates returning to the board with a final

2977
04:08:50,640 --> 04:08:52,680
recommendation in early 2024.

2978
04:08:53,380 --> 04:08:57,320
With that, I will pass the lecture in over to gauge zero.

2979
04:09:23,470 --> 04:09:24,310
Good evening, everyone.

2980
04:09:24,890 --> 04:09:30,450
Thank you very much for having us, commissioners, chair, and acting president.

2981
04:09:31,730 --> 04:09:36,630
Tonight, I'll be speaking with you about our zero-emission truck stop proposal.

2982
04:09:37,710 --> 04:09:42,970
My name is Zena Elazzi. I'm the CEO and the founder of K. Zero. I'm here with my team this evening.

2983
04:09:43,690 --> 04:09:44,430
Next slide, please.

2984
04:09:46,450 --> 04:09:49,370
We'll be going over the team.

2985
04:09:50,070 --> 04:09:57,930
Our advisors are offering our in-house expertise as well as the project proposal and our community benefits.

2986
04:09:59,270 --> 04:09:59,930
Next slide, please.

2987
04:10:01,970 --> 04:10:12,890
Our mission is to build the infrastructure which is to electrify medium and heavy duty fleets, reduce emissions from reducing emissions from transportation industry in the United States.

2988
04:10:13,670 --> 04:10:30,630
We are a women led team of clean energy and transportation experts. We've built over $10 billion of combined project development and execution in the clean energy space, deploying innovative and utility scale renewable energy and battery storage projects.

2989
04:10:30,630 --> 04:10:38,490
We've partnered with Arc Financial, which is a private equity firm that is focused exclusively

2990
04:10:38,490 --> 04:10:46,950
on energy projects that has a mission to increase the number of environmental sustainable

2991
04:10:47,590 --> 04:10:51,650
and renewable energy portfolio companies.

2992
04:10:51,650 --> 04:11:01,510
and their focus is on developing the infrastructure around the energy transition for renewables.

2993
04:11:02,410 --> 04:11:10,550
We have a commitment from them for $400 million in equity to develop and deploy the EB charging infrastructure that we're presenting to you today.

2994
04:11:11,430 --> 04:11:12,150
Next slide, please.

2995
04:11:14,580 --> 04:11:20,340
As I mentioned, I'm Zena Alazzi, I'm the founder and president of gauge zero.

2996
04:11:20,760 --> 04:11:28,360
I also was the founder and president of a company called Breitmark, which deployed well

2997
04:11:28,360 --> 04:11:34,960
over 30 projects in a six-year period in the renewable energy space as my former venture.

2998
04:11:35,800 --> 04:11:40,800
We raised nearly $750 million to deploy those renewable energy projects.

2999
04:11:40,800 --> 04:11:43,480
I've got Carly Filler here with me today.

3000
04:11:43,660 --> 04:11:46,100
She's our Chief Commercial Officer and our VP,

3001
04:11:46,180 --> 04:11:48,100
she was the VP of Development at Brightmark.

3002
04:11:48,940 --> 04:11:52,500
And she has over 13 years of experience

3003
04:11:52,500 --> 04:11:56,620
in developing and working in green energy projects as well.

3004
04:11:57,520 --> 04:12:00,160
Faisal Azuzia is our VP of Technology.

3005
04:12:00,560 --> 04:12:02,540
He's got a tremendous amount of experience

3006
04:12:02,540 --> 04:12:04,040
in vehicle-de-grid projects,

3007
04:12:04,700 --> 04:12:08,320
as well as energy storage projects and as a San Diego resident.

3008
04:12:08,320 --> 04:12:13,020
Pam Rosen, who's our General Counsel and Chief Administrative Officer,

3009
04:12:15,580 --> 04:12:16,720
was formerly

3010
04:12:16,720 --> 04:12:26,480
at Formata Energy, which is a charging company where she led all the operations previously,

3011
04:12:27,780 --> 04:12:31,480
her experiences in real estate, mergers, and acquisitions, and corporate law.

3012
04:12:33,040 --> 04:12:33,780
Next slide, please.

3013
04:12:34,940 --> 04:12:37,840
We also have a world-class suite of advisors.

3014
04:12:38,020 --> 04:12:44,640
This is a feature of only a few of our advisors that we wanted to highlight for the proposal.

3015
04:12:45,260 --> 04:12:51,940
Dan Grossman, who is our automotive advisor, has over 15 years of experience in the automotive industry.

3016
04:12:52,600 --> 04:12:57,580
He led Zipcar through its IPO and also created Maven at General Motors.

3017
04:12:58,040 --> 04:13:03,580
He is one of the key individuals that is designing our transportation as a service model,

3018
04:13:03,580 --> 04:13:04,900
which we'll get into here shortly.

3019
04:13:05,880 --> 04:13:08,420
We have Anna Dameo, our technology advisor,

3020
04:13:09,780 --> 04:13:12,760
who has a tremendous amount of experience in EV,

3021
04:13:13,380 --> 04:13:15,920
vehicle, the grid, and microgrid software and hardware.

3022
04:13:17,260 --> 04:13:19,220
Brandon Rapp, who's our strategic advisor,

3023
04:13:20,140 --> 04:13:22,740
formerly a strategic consultant at PWC

3024
04:13:22,740 --> 04:13:25,020
and their power utilities and resource industry,

3025
04:13:26,020 --> 04:13:29,160
Bill Van Amberg, who has 30 years of experience

3026
04:13:29,160 --> 04:13:31,900
as the executive vice president of CalSTART,

3027
04:13:31,900 --> 04:13:42,300
And Mike Brune, who has 12 years of experience as the executive director of the CR club and seven years of experience as the executive director of the rainforest action network.

3028
04:13:42,660 --> 04:13:52,980
All of these individuals and addition to others really help to inform our proposal from a design perspective, from an engineering perspective and from a community engagement perspective.

3029
04:13:55,340 --> 04:13:56,000
Next slide please.

3030
04:13:58,500 --> 04:14:06,260
We have three areas of focus as a company to essentially bring this project to fruition.

3031
04:14:07,320 --> 04:14:12,920
The first is charging, so charging infrastructure built out that includes the design,

3032
04:14:13,180 --> 04:14:16,800
the operations and the management of fleet charging, as well as utility billing.

3033
04:14:17,680 --> 04:14:19,600
This includes high power charging.

3034
04:14:21,280 --> 04:14:27,200
And one of the things that we focus on is that charging is just one piece of the ecosystem.

3035
04:14:27,200 --> 04:14:53,180
It's very important to add in energy management as part of the infrastructure, which is why we also bring the capital that's necessary to build out the real estate, the development, the permitting, the solar onsite battery storage and the electric infrastructure, which includes fleet management services, charging services and optimization of when to charge on the grid and when to dispense.

3036
04:14:54,840 --> 04:14:59,980
We also provide transportation as a service via electric vehicles.

3037
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:10,020
Local crux. We manage the incentives, the financing options, vehicle procurement, leasing and maintenance

3038
04:15:10,020 --> 04:15:16,620
of various fleets, for fleet operators and owners. And this is meant to accelerate the adoption

3039
04:15:16,620 --> 04:15:22,260
of EVs so that if there are entities like logistics companies who don't have the wear with all

3040
04:15:22,260 --> 04:15:27,920
or the understanding to navigate the complexity around vehicle purchases in the electric vehicle

3041
04:15:27,920 --> 04:15:31,160
space for grants and incentives.

3042
04:15:31,480 --> 04:15:35,560
We help them manage that and then provide them with lease options so that they can accelerate

3043
04:15:35,560 --> 04:15:37,660
their adoption of electric vehicles.

3044
04:15:39,480 --> 04:15:39,960
Next slide.

3045
04:15:43,670 --> 04:15:50,010
We manage in-house the project management, engineering, procurement, construction, as well

3046
04:15:50,010 --> 04:15:52,830
as the operations and maintenance all within gauge zero.

3047
04:15:54,190 --> 04:15:59,270
On the front end of the project, this includes environmental permitting, the utility interconnection,

3048
04:15:59,270 --> 04:16:03,430
and the grants and incentives for both the project itself, as well as for the vehicles.

3049
04:16:04,990 --> 04:16:09,590
On the engineering procurement and construction, we oversee engineering design,

3050
04:16:11,250 --> 04:16:18,350
procuring the various portions of the equipment, which includes charging equipment, software,

3051
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as well as the solar and the battery storage. We manage the interest risk, which can come with

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04:16:26,530 --> 04:16:33,190
these long lead time items, as well as the down payments for the procurement of the hardware

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04:16:33,190 --> 04:16:37,110
itself, so that we ensure that we have an on-time delivery of the project.

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Once the project is operating and has reached commercial kind of viability, we also provide

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04:16:46,680 --> 04:16:53,400
our customers with uptime guarantees so that they can be assured when they drive in to charge,

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04:16:53,400 --> 04:16:59,080
that the chargers will be working, that there will be operators on site to ensure that

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04:17:00,320 --> 04:17:03,500
any equipment that is gone down can be switched out very quickly.

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04:17:03,980 --> 04:17:08,420
We will have on-site O&M managers as well as a community manager.

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And we manage all of the service level agreements with the hardware and software providers.

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04:17:14,420 --> 04:17:20,360
And we are very engaged and proactive and preventative maintenance so that we can ensure

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our customers have a high level of reliability on the project.

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Next slide, please.

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This is an overview of our project proposal.

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We want to build the largest possible project that is commercially viable

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04:17:40,040 --> 04:17:42,220
and serves the needs of the customers.

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04:17:43,340 --> 04:17:47,120
This phase approach optimizes the best possible technology

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04:17:47,120 --> 04:17:51,600
at the time of construction that is matched with the demand

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04:17:51,600 --> 04:17:53,600
of the customers at the time.

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By phasing the project, we can continuously improve on the best available technology for charging battery storage, solar energy and energy management tools.

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04:18:05,660 --> 04:18:13,040
Phase 3 and beyond will be on other parcels of property and will provide additional revenue sources for the port.

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The first phase of the project includes a $12-15 million capital investment range with 20 full-time construction jobs and three full-time operations and maintenance jobs.

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Phase one includes the support for 56 trucks to meet the Port's Transition Plan, goals for

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04:18:35,780 --> 04:18:47,440
2020-6, and it includes 10-350 KWD dual port EVSs, charging stations, 2,500 square feet of a driver

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04:18:47,440 --> 04:18:56,300
rest area, 400 kilowatts of on-site solar, 500 kilowatts slash two megawatt hours of battery storage.

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04:18:56,300 --> 04:19:08,020
In Phase 2, we will add 10, 150 KW or greater dual port EVSEs, once that 20% utilization

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04:19:08,020 --> 04:19:09,480
is achieved in Phase 1.

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04:19:10,120 --> 04:19:15,640
This will support 98 trucks to meet the port's transition plan goals for 2030.

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Future phases will expand the EVSE solar and storage based on both the charging demand

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04:19:24,360 --> 04:19:31,740
at the port, as well as the San Diego gas and electric system capacity for interconnection.

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Next slide, please.

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This is a visual of the project site you can see in the top left corner, the amenities area

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04:19:43,980 --> 04:19:50,160
for the truckers, as well as where the food court will be located and charging stations in

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04:19:50,160 --> 04:19:53,980
the middle to the right and then there's also charging stations to the back, their additional

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04:19:53,980 --> 04:19:55,100
photographs in the proposal.

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Next slide, please.

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This is the summary slide of the revenue to the Porto San Diego. The port will receive two revenue sources from the project, a base rent, which is $7 per square foot per year with a 2% annual escalation. That amounts to approximately $610,000 starting in 2026 and escalating from there. There's also a revenue share portion.

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So 10% of all charging revenues and 5% of all other onsite revenues once that 20% utilization minimum is reached will also be shared with the port.

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04:20:43,080 --> 04:20:48,700
This amounts to approximately $487,000 annually starting in 2027.

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Next slide.

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This is an overview of the schedule.

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The design portion will begin in February of next year and will conclude in December of 2024.

3092
04:21:03,600 --> 04:21:07,900
The procurement portion will begin before that in September of 2024.

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04:21:09,000 --> 04:21:17,480
Construction will begin in December and commissioning will happen over the course of a year later in November of 2025.

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04:21:17,480 --> 04:21:26,580
phase two is related to begin procurement in June of 2026 with commissioning a phase two

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04:21:26,580 --> 04:21:29,220
being completed by December of 2026.

3096
04:21:32,580 --> 04:21:33,480
Next slide please.

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I'll end the presentation with

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04:21:37,260 --> 04:21:42,040
an overview of our community engagement plan, which is anchored in the maritime clean

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04:21:42,040 --> 04:21:50,220
air strategy. The environmental benefits of the project include the phase in phase one, a

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04:21:50,220 --> 04:22:00,360
of 11,600 metric tons of CO2 per year, and in phase two, a further reduction of 19,600 metric tons of CO2 per year.

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It also includes the purchase of air purifiers for portside community.

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04:22:06,640 --> 04:22:12,100
It does, we also, with our community manager, we'll have bidirectional community engagement,

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04:22:13,700 --> 04:22:23,540
which will lead all of our communications, including ongoing community outreach of AB 617 with

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04:22:23,540 --> 04:22:30,040
Portside Community. We will also have a significant amount of workforce development and training,

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04:22:31,260 --> 04:22:36,800
which is going to be led by our partners, grid alternatives, and the urban core of San Diego.

3106
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There will be helping us design, build, and train a workforce for this particular project.

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04:22:45,500 --> 04:22:48,460
There is an education portion for the project as well.

3108
04:22:48,960 --> 04:22:53,000
We'll provide STEM curriculum to expand the port's environmental education program.

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04:22:54,740 --> 04:22:59,420
As I mentioned earlier, there are some driver amenities, which include rest area, showers,

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04:22:59,420 --> 04:23:04,000
Wi-Fi, phone charging, a picnic area, and food trucks.

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04:23:06,180 --> 04:23:11,580
As part of our ongoing effort to ensure the energy management is key to all of these projects,

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04:23:12,100 --> 04:23:16,840
we also will have a microgrid to serve as a community resource during public safety power

3113
04:23:16,840 --> 04:23:19,800
outages, as well as climate-related emergencies.

3114
04:23:21,400 --> 04:23:26,960
And finally, we will support local trucking through preferential rates, vehicle financing,

3115
04:23:26,960 --> 04:23:39,340
And we already have three letters of intent with customers at the port that we will continue to build upon as we move the project along and progress it.

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04:23:39,620 --> 04:23:44,480
And with that, I believe that's the end of my 10 minutes and thank you very much.

3117
04:23:51,620 --> 04:23:54,000
Next, we'll have sky chargers.

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Good afternoon.

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04:24:05,340 --> 04:24:07,520
Chair Castiana, St. commissioners.

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I'm Andy Karetsky.

3121
04:24:09,320 --> 04:24:11,200
I'm the acting CEO of sky chargers.

3122
04:24:11,500 --> 04:24:13,320
And the President of sky beauty ventures.

3123
04:24:13,480 --> 04:24:18,620
And I want to thank you for taking the opportunity for having us to present our E.O.

3124
04:24:18,620 --> 04:24:19,400
Project today.

3125
04:24:19,960 --> 04:24:20,700
Next slide, please.

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Our project is inspired by the port to ambition.

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04:24:24,700 --> 04:24:26,840
And ambitious maritime clean energy strategy.

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04:24:27,820 --> 04:24:34,260
goal of 100% zero emission trucks by 2030 with a vision for health equity for all.

3129
04:24:35,300 --> 04:24:40,560
We admire your vision and we're completely aligned with the port on its ambition and our

3130
04:24:40,560 --> 04:24:40,980
values.

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04:24:41,460 --> 04:24:46,820
And our team has the proven experience and record to deliver on the port's visions and goals.

3132
04:24:48,980 --> 04:24:53,400
We've built our business by being good partners and in that spirit we've spoken with

3133
04:24:53,400 --> 04:24:59,820
understand their concerns about their existing, about their existing use of parcel.

3134
04:25:00,000 --> 04:25:05,360
One, which is the one we selected, and we're committed to finding a win-win solution.

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04:25:06,120 --> 04:25:13,460
We can modify our project footprint to balance meeting the court's goals, with the needs of

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04:25:13,460 --> 04:25:15,060
Pacea and other stakeholders.

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04:25:17,080 --> 04:25:20,860
Skycharger is owned by Skyby Ventures. Skyby Ventures been around

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04:25:20,860 --> 04:25:27,400
for 15 years, we're privately owned, we're profitable, we operate the fourth largest network of

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04:25:27,400 --> 04:25:33,400
fast charging stations in California. In addition, we're very soon going to complete a 150

3140
04:25:33,400 --> 04:25:40,980
port electric vehicle charging hub for Pepsi in torrents, which we've self-financed. The

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04:25:40,980 --> 04:25:47,720
first solar project that we ever built was to the benefit of the unhoused community. We've partnered

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04:25:47,720 --> 04:25:54,220
with communities of concern across the country to make transportation and clean energy projects

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04:25:54,220 --> 04:25:57,640
for all. Next slide, please.

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04:26:01,720 --> 04:26:06,260
This is us in a nutshell. Next slide, please. So we've assembled

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04:26:06,260 --> 04:26:11,040
the world-class project team with the resources and capacity that you can count on to finance,

3146
04:26:11,720 --> 04:26:17,540
construct and operate our project. We're going to introduce two vital members of our project,

3147
04:26:17,540 --> 04:26:25,180
Matt Worschen, with our engineering construction partner, Burns and McDonald, you know Burns

3148
04:26:25,180 --> 04:26:31,820
and Mac has been working with the port for sustainability and electric projects for the past

3149
04:26:31,820 --> 04:26:33,040
11 years.

3150
04:26:33,080 --> 04:26:36,320
I'd also like to introduce you to Anita Lopez.

3151
04:26:37,520 --> 04:26:43,140
She's a founder and principal of Soy Lopez Consulting, which is based in South East San Diego.

3152
04:26:43,780 --> 04:26:46,940
Anita is a committed health and climate equity champion.

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04:26:46,940 --> 04:26:48,760
Next slide, please.

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04:26:50,960 --> 04:26:56,300
We proposed an ambitious project, one that's at the scale of the court's ambitious

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04:26:57,500 --> 04:26:58,640
Zen goals.

3156
04:26:59,380 --> 04:27:05,420
We can reduce the footprint of that project if needed to balance with

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04:27:05,420 --> 04:27:06,440
the patient's needs.

3158
04:27:07,000 --> 04:27:11,180
And we can accommodate both battery electric and hydrogen trucks if

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04:27:11,180 --> 04:27:12,860
hydrogen trucks ever become a reality.

3160
04:27:12,860 --> 04:27:18,020
We have project funding and the team that's ready to go to work.

3161
04:27:18,620 --> 04:27:19,540
Next slide, please.

3162
04:27:21,260 --> 04:27:23,360
Before I turn over the presentation of Matt,

3163
04:27:24,080 --> 04:27:27,260
I'd like to point out another unique feature of our proposal,

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04:27:28,020 --> 04:27:29,240
which is trucking as a service.

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04:27:30,000 --> 04:27:33,680
Our offering is designed for those who can release the Ford

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04:27:33,680 --> 04:27:37,180
to be early adopters to electric trucks,

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04:27:37,840 --> 04:27:40,840
which are small fleet owners and independent owner operators.

3168
04:27:41,720 --> 04:27:57,840
It will also support the early diesel retirements that are needed to meet the Port Zero Mission Transition Plan, which is, you know, by 2026 and 2030.

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04:27:58,500 --> 04:28:04,080
We will provide affordable and equitable leases to truckers calling on the Port.

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04:28:04,080 --> 04:28:11,480
without a plan to help truckers overcome the upfront cost barrier to driving electric trucks.

3171
04:28:11,720 --> 04:28:16,580
We think rates of adoptions will be slow and demand for charging stations will be low.

3172
04:28:17,260 --> 04:28:21,500
Our project addresses both the supply and the demand side of the equation.

3173
04:28:22,580 --> 04:28:29,400
And it's about zero mission trucks to help achieve health equity for all.

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04:28:30,080 --> 04:28:35,220
We're strongly committed to maximizing project benefits for the port and port side communities.

3175
04:28:36,320 --> 04:28:44,200
We estimate that over 20 year term we will pay more than $37 million in rent payments to the port.

3176
04:28:44,960 --> 04:28:48,900
We have funds for community, set aside funds for community outreach and engagement.

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04:28:49,540 --> 04:28:54,460
And we have funds for local electricians to receive EV installation training.

3178
04:28:54,460 --> 04:29:02,060
And we have stipends for local artists to paint murals reflecting local culture on the grounds of our project.

3179
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Our partner momentum.

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04:29:05,760 --> 04:29:13,760
With our partner momentum, we intend to pursue all public funding available to deepen our offering to truckers to the port and port side communities.

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04:29:14,100 --> 04:29:20,420
For example, after receiving the top score in a concept of a paper stage,

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04:29:20,420 --> 04:29:25,840
we recently submitted a $10 million grant proposal to the California Energy Commission for

3183
04:29:25,840 --> 04:29:32,340
our trucking as a service model. At this point I'd like to hand things off to Matt to discuss

3184
04:29:32,340 --> 04:29:33,340
the project contents.

3185
04:29:35,670 --> 04:29:39,770
Thank you, Andy. Commissioners, Burns McDonnell is very excited about the

3186
04:29:39,770 --> 04:29:45,890
National City EHA project in parting with Skyview and the Port District. This is a very exciting

3187
04:29:45,890 --> 04:29:50,290
project because it further supports MCAS goals which is really important to me as a San Diego resident

3188
04:29:50,290 --> 04:29:53,470
and it benefits our local community as well as our overall environment.

3189
04:29:54,590 --> 04:29:58,310
As one of the leading design build firms in the country,

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04:29:58,650 --> 04:29:59,070
Burns McDonald.

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04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:16,060
You can count on words of MAC to get this project done. We have provided engineering and construction services for the deployment of more than 6,000 electric vehicle chargers across the country. Additionally, we have installed over 40,000 megawatt hours of battery energy storage.

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04:30:16,700 --> 04:30:29,980
And we regularly design and construct solar projects ranging in size from one megawatt to over 100 megawatts. So that can give you the confidence to know that Skyview has basically built a team that knows how to get projects done here at the point.

3193
04:30:30,660 --> 04:30:34,860
Additionally, we are currently working with you to complete the 10th Avenue Marine Terminal

3194
04:30:34,860 --> 04:30:39,840
Microgrid right here in Corping, Solar and Battery Storage and as you've been doing

3195
04:30:39,840 --> 04:30:44,340
for the last 10 years, you can count on us to work with Skyview to make you and this project

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04:30:44,340 --> 04:30:46,460
successful. Next slide, please.

3197
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So the concept project here that E-Hub will charge up to 126 trucks with adequate space

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04:30:54,080 --> 04:30:59,540
to allow safe access to the chargers and amenities following ADA and safe design requirements.

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04:31:00,140 --> 04:31:05,500
The first phase of the project will include 27 chargers, solar, battery storage, and the

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04:31:05,500 --> 04:31:10,320
Amazon just walk out, convenience store, which will be completed by the end of 2025.

3201
04:31:11,360 --> 04:31:14,540
And the second phase is scheduled for completion by the end of 2025.

3202
04:31:15,680 --> 04:31:17,600
By including next slide please.

3203
04:31:18,980 --> 04:31:23,280
By including five megawatts of solar and solar on canopies, four megawatt hours of battery

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04:31:23,280 --> 04:31:28,080
storage and a microcontroller, the e-hub will produce greenhouse gas emissions,

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04:31:28,440 --> 04:31:34,600
reduce impacts on the San Diego gas electric grid, and also increase the resiliency of

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04:31:34,600 --> 04:31:40,680
the charging depot by providing the ability to operate chargers both connected to the grid

3207
04:31:40,680 --> 04:31:43,100
as well as independent grid using micro-functionality.

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04:31:43,980 --> 04:31:48,600
Our approach to constructing this project will be to contract at least 10% of the work to

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04:31:48,600 --> 04:31:55,180
small local and diverse businesses. We offer an award-winning world-class small business diversity

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04:31:55,180 --> 04:32:01,480
program and over the last five years alone we've used this program to contract over $822 million

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04:32:01,910 --> 04:32:08,200
to small and diverse firms across just in five years. We envision that the e-hub project will provide

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04:32:08,200 --> 04:32:13,080
50 construction jobs providing economic benefits to the local community here in National City

3213
04:32:13,080 --> 04:32:16,840
and San Diego overall. Now I'll turn it over to Anita. Thank you.

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Commissioners, I would like to expand further. If you can go back to the first slide, one slide over.

3215
04:32:32,580 --> 04:32:37,000
Thank you. I'd like to expand a little bit further on our quest to produce a very

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04:32:37,000 --> 04:32:42,920
mission. Trust top that is beyond just infrastructure. We intend to deploy an action-oriented

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04:32:42,920 --> 04:32:48,400
engagement for port site and neighboring communities and have since we joined this project.

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04:32:48,860 --> 04:32:54,580
We recognize that a true path towards health equity is action-based and not just upon mitigating

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04:32:54,580 --> 04:33:00,100
these health impacts, but also increasing the economic health impacts that our communities

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04:33:00,100 --> 04:33:05,140
that our climate burden really need, and really you can't have one without the other.

3221
04:33:06,580 --> 04:33:11,800
I would like to highlight how we would do this. First we will provide education and training pathways

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04:33:11,800 --> 04:33:17,780
for the local community by utilizing the e-hub as a demonstration project. So this would actually

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04:33:17,780 --> 04:33:23,300
show our community that we are committed to providing new career pathways not only in the trades,

3224
04:33:23,300 --> 04:33:29,180
But, in STEM, community health, which is often not talked about and even in public service,

3225
04:33:29,720 --> 04:33:33,640
all of these career pathways are really needed for our climate,

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04:33:34,040 --> 04:33:37,020
championing and really changing the future of these communities.

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04:33:37,820 --> 04:33:42,450
Second, we will increase local community participation in the apprenticeships and job training programs

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04:33:42,920 --> 04:33:46,720
through connections with IBEW and local community colleges,

3229
04:33:47,320 --> 04:33:51,840
which includes connections to the education, cultural, complex and ocean view.

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04:33:53,380 --> 04:33:54,660
Next slide, please.

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We have centered equity into the community benefit plan.

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04:34:00,500 --> 04:34:05,220
We include local partner engagement continuously throughout our planning and design.

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04:34:05,640 --> 04:34:12,580
We have met with several community partners already and offered them to be part and designers

3234
04:34:12,580 --> 04:34:13,380
with us.

3235
04:34:14,060 --> 04:34:18,940
We do this with who are driving them San Diego climate resiliency efforts.

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04:34:18,940 --> 04:34:26,340
these individuals will help us connect these very important issues. This includes partners

3237
04:34:26,340 --> 04:34:32,600
such as I am green, the San Diego Urban Sustainability Coalition and Climate Action Campaign,

3238
04:34:32,940 --> 04:34:37,800
all of which have the professional lived experiences to reach the community. A few of our

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04:34:37,800 --> 04:34:43,540
early supporters have joined us here today while they were here earlier and some have left some

3240
04:34:43,540 --> 04:34:49,540
of voicemails for you. Our plan will further align several efforts such as the San Diego County

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04:34:49,540 --> 04:34:56,100
to carbonization framework and the live well and promise its own initiatives. Those initiatives

3242
04:34:56,100 --> 04:34:59,980
are centered in really meeting the climate burden communities and communities of

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04:35:02,500 --> 04:35:23,460
Lastly, our trucking as a service approach results in equities in the financing of commercial vehicles. By removing longstanding financial and institutional barriers and streamlining and simplifying the lease criteria, we intend to support these leases with financial literacy should they need it in order for them to complete the terms.

3244
04:35:23,460 --> 04:35:37,720
And this might be really relevant for those that are new adopters or have a challenge in getting into the climate industry or wanting to engage in this work, but have barriers to entry.

3245
04:35:38,720 --> 04:35:41,440
We want to be sure to meet their needs as well.

3246
04:35:42,460 --> 04:35:49,280
Lastly, we have also committed to bringing additional dollars into the San Diego region to build our climate resiliency efforts, as you've heard,

3247
04:35:49,280 --> 04:35:55,260
and to continue to work with our CBOs that are not just our mainstay, but those that have been

3248
04:35:55,260 --> 04:35:59,720
doing this work in Southeast San Diego and other neighboring neighborhoods.

3249
04:36:00,620 --> 04:36:04,180
And these are just a few selected community benefits, our project has to offer,

3250
04:36:04,480 --> 04:36:07,240
and I will now allow Andy to close out our presentation.

3251
04:36:13,110 --> 04:36:23,470
Thank you, Anita. This project we want to first of its kind, our team is aligned with the

3252
04:36:23,470 --> 04:36:28,270
30, with health equity for all, and we're committed to being the ports long-term partner.

3253
04:36:29,670 --> 04:36:37,230
Our team is proven, we're capable, and we're ready to execute on this vision in a way that's

3254
04:36:37,230 --> 04:36:41,690
equitable to the port, to the fortside community, and to the truckers' calling report.

3255
04:36:42,650 --> 04:36:46,110
With that, I'd like to thank you for your attention, and we'd welcome any questions.

3256
04:36:47,270 --> 04:36:47,930
Thank you.

3257
04:36:47,990 --> 04:36:51,630
We'll go to public comment first, and then when we start the commissioner questions and

3258
04:36:51,630 --> 04:36:54,290
We will probably have some questions.

3259
04:36:56,450 --> 04:37:00,770
Staff just has to close out the presentation portion of it.

3260
04:37:00,970 --> 04:37:04,170
Okay, I'm sure I'm in.

3261
04:37:06,250 --> 04:37:08,770
Sorry, me again.

3262
04:37:10,290 --> 04:37:14,410
Thank you to both of the teams that came out here today.

3263
04:37:14,490 --> 04:37:17,830
As you can see, both of them have strong proposals.

3264
04:37:17,830 --> 04:37:24,830
Gage Zero is proposing a smaller project than skychargers, however both teams have experienced

3265
04:37:24,830 --> 04:37:30,570
tenacity and financing to implement successful projects and help the port meet its ambitious

3266
04:37:30,570 --> 04:37:34,130
goal for 100% zero mission trucks by 2030.

3267
04:37:34,870 --> 04:37:39,870
What made Gage Zero's proposal stand out to us was their extensive research about the port

3268
04:37:39,870 --> 04:37:41,850
our operations and our tenants.

3269
04:37:42,390 --> 04:37:46,950
They clearly did their research and even received letters of support from local trucking companies

3270
04:37:46,950 --> 04:37:51,630
that already serve the port, as well as from key tenants at our Marine Cargo Terminals.

3271
04:37:52,110 --> 04:37:57,450
What made sky Chargers proposal stand out was that they have already formed a partnership

3272
04:37:57,450 --> 04:38:01,830
coalition with extensive experience in their respective areas of expertise.

3273
04:38:02,770 --> 04:38:03,530
Next slide.

3274
04:38:05,110 --> 04:38:10,190
As part of the M.C. staff has committed to keeping the community and stakeholders informed

3275
04:38:10,190 --> 04:38:17,790
on MCAS project implementation. MCAS Community Objective 1 asked staff to keep stakeholders in the

3276
04:38:17,790 --> 04:38:22,970
public informed and asked for input regarding the selection deployment and ongoing monitoring

3277
04:38:22,970 --> 04:38:29,570
of a mission reduction projects. In this spirit, over the last month or so, staff has presented

3278
04:38:29,570 --> 04:38:35,070
updates and requested feedback from the groups identified on this slide. Next slide, please.

3279
04:38:36,650 --> 04:38:38,050
Next steps.

3280
04:38:40,050 --> 04:38:44,970
Now the board has an opportunity to ask the finalist questions and provide feedback regarding

3281
04:38:44,970 --> 04:38:45,730
the proposals.

3282
04:38:46,530 --> 04:38:52,430
After that, staff is proposing to provide each finalist an additional 30 days to revise

3283
04:38:52,430 --> 04:38:56,650
their initial proposals if they so choose to based on your direction today.

3284
04:38:57,210 --> 04:39:04,970
Staff will evaluate based on the direction provided today and anticipates returning to the

3285
04:39:04,970 --> 04:39:08,370
board with a final recommendation in early 2024.

3286
04:39:08,910 --> 04:39:13,370
This concludes Jax presentation and everyone is available for questions.

3287
04:39:13,670 --> 04:39:14,150
Thank you.

3288
04:39:14,310 --> 04:39:14,450
Great.

3289
04:39:14,450 --> 04:39:15,790
Thank you.

3290
04:39:15,910 --> 04:39:16,490
Public comment?

3291
04:39:17,230 --> 04:39:17,450
Yes.

3292
04:39:17,530 --> 04:39:21,090
We have two voicemails followed by three in-person comments.

3293
04:39:28,560 --> 04:39:34,280
My name is Ali Marie Gojo, and I am the Climate Justice Policy Coordinator with Climate Action

3294
04:39:34,280 --> 04:39:37,120
Campaign, speaking on agenda item number 14.

3295
04:39:37,120 --> 04:39:54,800
I just wanted to say that I'm in support of this item, as Climate Action Campaign, we are in support of initiatives to lower carbon emissions so that we can achieve a safe and global future, meaning that we achieve zero carbon emissions.

3296
04:39:55,120 --> 04:39:59,600
And this project is going to help advance those goals.

3297
04:40:00,000 --> 04:40:13,720
And not only that, it can help with workforce development and providing access to charging stations for electric vehicles and really reducing its carbon emissions for heavy vehicles in this region.

3298
04:40:14,480 --> 04:40:18,160
So thank you and have a wonderful day. Take care.

3299
04:40:18,160 --> 04:40:19,100
So,

3300
04:40:23,010 --> 04:40:23,710
hello, good afternoon.

3301
04:40:23,990 --> 04:40:25,930
I am calling in the Game Message 4.

3302
04:40:26,050 --> 04:40:26,890
I am number 14.

3303
04:40:27,510 --> 04:40:31,330
In support of the zero emissions heavy duty truck club for the San Diego.

3304
04:40:31,370 --> 04:40:33,050
My name is Nisha Dean Martin.

3305
04:40:33,410 --> 04:40:36,790
And the climate committee director at San Diego Urban Sanibility Coalition.

3306
04:40:37,050 --> 04:40:38,830
But we put this on a environmental justice.

3307
04:40:38,970 --> 04:40:40,930
Social justice as well as climate justice.

3308
04:40:41,750 --> 04:40:46,290
And we definitely support the move of this project for many different reasons.

3309
04:40:46,530 --> 04:40:51,510
But in particular, the fact of the workforce development that can be coming out of this

3310
04:40:51,510 --> 04:40:55,770
for those that send the agents here, the different needs of work, it also has it works

3311
04:40:55,770 --> 04:41:00,210
from opportunities, the educating on clean air and energy, as well as many more ways

3312
04:41:00,210 --> 04:41:04,770
it's cost they can just on the fact that we'll just go to the diesel fuel, and also just

3313
04:41:04,770 --> 04:41:08,990
only want to make sure to point out that this is a project that not only to help send the

3314
04:41:08,990 --> 04:41:11,290
agos that will help the planet in general.

3315
04:41:12,190 --> 04:41:16,870
The diesel fuel is a big problem we have in semi-tracks are the leading contributor to

3316
04:41:16,870 --> 04:41:20,510
the impacts we have from fossil fuels, and so we want to make sure that especially

3317
04:41:20,510 --> 04:41:25,370
and Diego, we're doing as much as we can to pioneer the effort going forward to say let's

3318
04:41:25,370 --> 04:41:30,710
raise all the hospitals we can, have a fossil fuel free planet as much as we can but definitely

3319
04:41:30,710 --> 04:41:34,950
be that in San Diego and I hope that you vote for this project because I think there's so many

3320
04:41:36,430 --> 04:41:41,990
different benefiting companies and not just again just for San Diego itself but the planet and our

3321
04:41:41,990 --> 04:41:47,090
future please vote for this project. I think it's very important and I hope that you also see that

3322
04:41:47,090 --> 04:41:48,310
Thank you.

3323
04:41:49,880 --> 04:41:54,580
Now we have Kyle Heskala followed by Sophie Slovestery.

3324
04:42:02,020 --> 04:42:03,960
Good evening, poor commissioners.

3325
04:42:04,340 --> 04:42:07,680
Kyle Heskala, policy co-director with Environmental Health Coalition.

3326
04:42:08,500 --> 04:42:11,640
First off, I want to say we're really excited about this project.

3327
04:42:12,120 --> 04:42:16,240
As was mentioned earlier, I believe you, Chair Cassiano,

3328
04:42:16,240 --> 04:42:19,660
as the port has been working on environmental justice for a long time.

3329
04:42:19,740 --> 04:42:24,340
And I think this is a great example of the steps that you all are taking to make that a reality.

3330
04:42:25,580 --> 04:42:31,980
especially the endcast goal, the 100% zero-mission trucks by 2030, we can't get there without

3331
04:42:31,980 --> 04:42:38,100
the charging, and most importantly for the community impact, reducing the diesel pollution

3332
04:42:38,760 --> 04:42:40,640
in and around portside communities.

3333
04:42:42,040 --> 04:42:47,060
Also, thank you to port staff, Maggie especially, and Phil and all the others for developing

3334
04:42:47,060 --> 04:42:48,000
this process.

3335
04:42:48,000 --> 04:42:55,260
it feels like it was very open and accessible. We are excited about the opportunity to review the top two

3336
04:42:55,260 --> 04:43:04,000
proposals and provide some feedback. So I feel like it enables us to give or ensure the best possible

3337
04:43:04,000 --> 04:43:08,840
project outcome. So while we're not taking a position at this time, we just wanted to raise a few

3338
04:43:08,840 --> 04:43:17,800
questions and concerns. First, how can port serving trucks be prioritized and things like setting

3339
04:43:17,800 --> 04:43:24,560
a rate structure that incentivizes truck serving the port to reduce the impact from other

3340
04:43:24,560 --> 04:43:31,340
trucks, not serving the port, dedicated charging stalls as a good component of the gauge

3341
04:43:31,340 --> 04:43:37,800
zebra puzzle for port serving trucks, so it's second is that we have a lot of questions

3342
04:43:37,800 --> 04:43:43,100
and concerns about the trucking as a service, how will independent owner operators be protected

3343
04:43:43,100 --> 04:43:50,340
from exorbitant costs, long-term contracts that deny them the ability to build assets, so there's

3344
04:43:50,340 --> 04:43:55,420
a lot of concerns and questions about that while we are excited about the model. We want to make

3345
04:43:55,420 --> 04:44:04,680
sure that the community benefits can be maximized and be tied to a one, instead of a one-time fund,

3346
04:44:04,980 --> 04:44:11,840
maybe set to an ongoing percentage of revenues and then lastly, cautioning for a least longer than

3347
04:44:11,840 --> 04:44:14,940
14 years that's outlined in the RFP.

3348
04:44:15,440 --> 04:44:15,660
Thank you.

3349
04:44:15,700 --> 04:44:18,720
Look forward to hearing more.

3350
04:44:19,000 --> 04:44:22,440
I have so few Sylvestery followed by Ammonie Robinson.

3351
04:44:24,920 --> 04:44:25,540
Good evening.

3352
04:44:26,380 --> 04:44:31,280
Chairman Castiano's Commissioner, Acting President Caniglia, General Counsel Russell, for

3353
04:44:31,280 --> 04:44:31,640
the record.

3354
04:44:31,800 --> 04:44:35,700
Sophie Sylvestery, the Patient Automotive Services, Operators of National City Marine

3355
04:44:35,700 --> 04:44:36,280
Terminal.

3356
04:44:36,280 --> 04:44:43,080
Patient is supportive of a near-terminal truck charging depot for future zero-mission trucks.

3357
04:44:44,320 --> 04:44:49,440
And we have non-binding letters of commitment with both of the finalists here today.

3358
04:44:51,620 --> 04:44:56,580
So, those non-binding letters of commitment are for both proposed joint use,

3359
04:44:57,600 --> 04:44:59,980
arrangements of the real estate as well as one from our...

3360
04:45:00,000 --> 04:45:06,200
Minister Company, Patient Distribution Services, for their interest in future truck charging. As you know,

3361
04:45:06,280 --> 04:45:14,780
patient is no stranger to zero-mission trucks. We deployed the first zero-mission car hauler in the United States

3362
04:45:14,780 --> 04:45:29,980
from a 2016 CEC grants. We've been interested in zero-mission trucking for quite some time. I want to

3363
04:45:29,980 --> 04:45:34,680
And these lots support the National City Marine Terminal Maritime Operations.

3364
04:45:35,760 --> 04:45:41,240
If a 75% utilization rate that can represent about 30,000 cars per year.

3365
04:45:43,380 --> 04:45:45,620
Our leadership's preference would have been the training.

3366
04:45:45,640 --> 04:45:47,220
You'll hear a lot in the middle there.

3367
04:45:47,760 --> 04:45:50,400
But those are not in the proposals here today.

3368
04:45:51,180 --> 04:45:55,220
So our ask to you is that in any motion or direction that you give today

3369
04:45:55,220 --> 04:46:01,800
to please emphasize the need to continue to work collaboratively and in good faith with

3370
04:46:01,800 --> 04:46:07,380
patient to find these to find these win-win solutions. And both of them have, and I've

3371
04:46:07,380 --> 04:46:11,980
been really pleased and happy with how we've worked together already.

3372
04:46:15,960 --> 04:46:17,080
So that's basically

3373
04:46:17,080 --> 04:46:23,580
our ask today. We think that there are enough brilliant lines in the room to find a win-win

3374
04:46:23,580 --> 04:46:32,500
solution and to have these land uses coexist, we port leadership would love to see us grow

3375
04:46:32,500 --> 04:46:36,660
maritime revenue and we're simultaneously facing a grudge reduction, so thank you for

3376
04:46:36,660 --> 04:46:37,240
your time.

3377
04:46:41,920 --> 04:46:42,100
Thank you.

3378
04:46:42,280 --> 04:46:45,720
We have a money Robinson followed by Paul Query.

3379
04:46:48,500 --> 04:46:51,440
Excuse me, you guys have a reason in here.

3380
04:46:51,620 --> 04:46:52,400
Good evening, commissioners.

3381
04:46:52,520 --> 04:46:56,940
I'm really excited to be here and I'm really excited to support sky chargers.

3382
04:46:56,940 --> 04:47:04,320
I love the idea, of course, zero admission going to spring in San Diego to a more sustainable

3383
04:47:05,140 --> 04:47:12,220
environment and clean air environment. I am a native San Diego, and I am also a professional

3384
04:47:12,220 --> 04:47:20,380
volunteer. I chair my park, which is 111 years old, Mountain View, and I am also a commissioner

3385
04:47:20,380 --> 04:47:21,960
on the Arts and Coaster Commission.

3386
04:47:22,820 --> 04:47:29,680
So Anita Lopez brought me into a meeting with sky charters, and I am completely impressed.

3387
04:47:30,360 --> 04:47:40,040
Not with just the fact that going zero emissions, but supporting the other truckers that

3388
04:47:40,040 --> 04:47:47,760
will no longer be in diesel and having them transition into zero admission and electric trucks.

3389
04:47:47,760 --> 04:47:56,840
I think that is just brilliant and I have commissioned several new public art projects and I'm

3390
04:47:56,840 --> 04:48:09,000
really excited about the art incorporated in this project. Supporting not only just the community,

3391
04:48:09,000 --> 04:48:18,760
but supporting the truckers in transition and the ability to bring in more new entrepreneurs into this

3392
04:48:18,760 --> 04:48:27,640
field. I'm really excited about that. I also want to make sure that all communities are involved.

3393
04:48:28,660 --> 04:48:35,560
I, like I said before, I chair Mountain View Park and the surrounding areas are usually underserved

3394
04:48:35,560 --> 04:48:44,800
historically underrepresented and not included, and I have committed myself to making sky

3395
04:48:44,800 --> 04:48:54,180
charge accountable to being inclusive on who is a part of this project and it's actually

3396
04:48:54,180 --> 04:48:55,140
does the work.

3397
04:48:55,400 --> 04:48:59,340
So I'm really excited and thank you for giving me this time.

3398
04:49:00,840 --> 04:49:02,060
Thank you.

3399
04:49:02,060 --> 04:49:03,540
We have Paul Cleary.

3400
04:49:09,460 --> 04:49:10,480
Thanks for this opportunity.

3401
04:49:10,560 --> 04:49:11,960
Commissioner should really appreciate it.

3402
04:49:12,260 --> 04:49:15,340
Here to as a proud partner of Gage Europe proposal.

3403
04:49:15,340 --> 04:49:16,340
My name is Paul Cleary.

3404
04:49:16,440 --> 04:49:18,460
I'm the Executive Director of Great Alternative San Diego.

3405
04:49:18,680 --> 04:49:19,720
We're a nonprofit organization.

3406
04:49:21,120 --> 04:49:23,720
And we really work to bring renewable energy to communities that

3407
04:49:23,720 --> 04:49:26,240
concern and also to help train the green workforce of tomorrow.

3408
04:49:27,280 --> 04:49:30,540
We've served over the last several years over 120 families in

3409
04:49:31,340 --> 04:49:32,960
port-side environmental justice communities.

3410
04:49:33,720 --> 04:49:37,320
Helping get solar and help install systems that are going to

3411
04:49:37,320 --> 04:49:42,040
generate over three million dollars in savings for those families and each one of those

3412
04:49:42,040 --> 04:49:46,360
projects is also a classroom on the roof where folks can get hands-on experience that

3413
04:49:46,360 --> 04:49:51,980
can connect into careers in solar and grid is provided over 21,000 families that we work with

3414
04:49:51,980 --> 04:49:57,420
right and their projects have provided over 21,000 hours of hands-on experience for folks looking

3415
04:49:57,420 --> 04:49:59,980
for to advance the careers, and we just...

3416
04:50:00,000 --> 04:50:08,760
Just look forward to taking this experience to work with Gage Year to develop a work for a training program that really benefits members of AB 17 communities.

3417
04:50:09,400 --> 04:50:17,260
The focus of our training really is around making it accessible and inclusive to folks who otherwise are traditionally aren't included in that.

3418
04:50:17,540 --> 04:50:23,220
Don't have access to that kind of training and just yeah, urge to support Gage Year proposal. Thank you.

3419
04:50:25,330 --> 04:50:26,650
That concludes public comment.

3420
04:50:26,650 --> 04:50:32,630
Okay. Thank you. We'll now move on to Councilman Marcus Bush from National City.

3421
04:50:33,090 --> 04:50:35,830
Thank you, Chair. I apologize. I didn't submit a speaker slip on this.

3422
04:50:36,090 --> 04:50:39,110
And so I support this item. I appreciate what the staff is doing forward.

3423
04:50:39,430 --> 04:50:42,410
Let me just say real quick, just I don't want to rehash last item.

3424
04:50:42,730 --> 04:50:44,790
But I will say I do appreciate for the first time.

3425
04:50:44,970 --> 04:50:49,490
I heard from each of you about the chair. That was the first time we had a discussion.

3426
04:50:49,590 --> 04:50:55,850
I hope we continue more discussions. I may not agree with what you guys say or do.

3427
04:50:55,850 --> 04:50:59,850
But at the end of the day, items like this, like we still have to do the work, right?

3428
04:50:59,850 --> 04:51:03,510
And we still have to cooperate and push things forward.

3429
04:51:03,930 --> 04:51:07,650
And so I appreciate all of your guys' work on this.

3430
04:51:08,550 --> 04:51:15,390
I also want to give us a shout-out to staff, Maggie Weber, who came to our council meeting,

3431
04:51:15,590 --> 04:51:16,850
and presented this item to us.

3432
04:51:17,970 --> 04:51:20,470
And so we give suggestions on me, benefit item.

3433
04:51:20,830 --> 04:51:24,070
One of the things that I mentioned, they hope you consider as part of this,

3434
04:51:24,070 --> 04:51:29,370
just everything that you do in general that we all should do, recognize in this schumian land,

3435
04:51:29,970 --> 04:51:34,270
originally, and that part of our heritage, our culture, our history gets lost.

3436
04:51:35,210 --> 04:51:41,390
So there are some ideas about just in the proposals, the land use, and what kind of, I mean,

3437
04:51:41,450 --> 04:51:46,050
it got into the detail of tree selection, and so I encouraged staff to work with the schumian

3438
04:51:46,050 --> 04:51:46,550
community.

3439
04:51:46,550 --> 04:51:55,330
We had an attendance, Dr. Stan Rodriguez, who's, for that which, I mean, is Council member from the northern part of the county.

3440
04:51:56,410 --> 04:52:01,170
But so he's connected to Kumi Academy of College, so there's a lot of resources opportunity there.

3441
04:52:02,390 --> 04:52:11,210
So, but yeah, just that was my comment to Maggie was whatever we can do to incorporate the Kumi Academy into these proposals.

3442
04:52:11,590 --> 04:52:13,490
I would be great. Thank you.

3443
04:52:13,690 --> 04:52:14,190
Thank you.

3444
04:52:15,030 --> 04:52:18,130
We'll then move on to Commissioner questions and comments.

3445
04:52:18,670 --> 04:52:19,150
Commissioner Malcolm.

3446
04:52:20,450 --> 04:52:21,070
Thank you, Chair.

3447
04:52:22,190 --> 04:52:24,430
First, thank you, Councilman Bush, for those comments in the beginning.

3448
04:52:24,630 --> 04:52:25,330
I appreciate that.

3449
04:52:25,370 --> 04:52:27,310
We should always continue to talk to each other.

3450
04:52:27,870 --> 04:52:28,290
And you're right.

3451
04:52:28,430 --> 04:52:33,370
We have a lot of work to do collectively to implement our share goal.

3452
04:52:33,550 --> 04:52:36,590
I've helped equity for all MCAS get the air cleaner.

3453
04:52:37,150 --> 04:52:38,710
So we're going to be working together a lot.

3454
04:52:40,010 --> 04:52:42,150
I want to thank staff and the proposals.

3455
04:52:42,870 --> 04:52:51,350
This is a long process, it was a lot of reading, my eyes were blurry, and I wish I could tell

3456
04:52:51,350 --> 04:52:57,290
you that I read every word of both proposals, I tried to read it as much as I could, and

3457
04:52:57,290 --> 04:53:01,470
I do have a couple of questions and a couple of comments, and I'm going to go try and go

3458
04:53:01,470 --> 04:53:07,510
quick for the amount of time that we have here that we've already been here.

3459
04:53:08,510 --> 04:53:14,570
Just a couple questions, which staff may or may not be able to answer, I know you can answer

3460
04:53:14,570 --> 04:53:15,090
this one.

3461
04:53:15,210 --> 04:53:21,010
The land area of each proposal, gauge is looking at parcel 3, sky chargers is looking

3462
04:53:21,010 --> 04:53:21,810
at parcel 1.

3463
04:53:21,950 --> 04:53:23,710
What are the acreages of each of those?

3464
04:53:27,480 --> 04:53:30,620
Thanks Commissioner Maggie Weber for the record.

3465
04:53:31,100 --> 04:53:36,520
I believe gauge 0 is interested in parcel 3 as you mentioned, and that's around

3466
04:53:36,520 --> 04:53:43,360
approximations three acres and skychargers is interested in parcel one which is

3467
04:53:43,360 --> 04:53:50,220
approximately eight acres and both parties have expressed interest in expanding

3468
04:53:50,220 --> 04:53:58,600
if utilization allows it to. Okay and there was representations made that

3469
04:53:58,600 --> 04:54:08,340
meeting or 2026 and 2030 goals gauge zero talked about that their proposal would meet

3470
04:54:08,340 --> 04:54:15,100
our charging goals. Has staffed on any independent analysis of that and determined

3471
04:54:15,100 --> 04:54:21,480
because they're talking about 56 trucks or 98 trucks after phase two, 56 trucks

3472
04:54:21,480 --> 04:54:27,300
of phase one. If you guys analyze that or do you really know I mean can you juxtapose those

3473
04:54:27,300 --> 04:54:29,460
numbers to our MCAS goals.

3474
04:54:30,180 --> 04:54:37,160
Yeah, in the longer presentations that they gave us during the RFP process, they both

3475
04:54:37,160 --> 04:54:42,980
party-sided the truck transition plan as their guidance for that and believe so, Gibbons

3476
04:54:42,980 --> 04:54:43,660
is in the room.

3477
04:54:43,800 --> 04:54:46,740
He can probably speak to that better than me.

3478
04:54:47,180 --> 04:54:47,940
Mr. Gibbons,

3479
04:54:50,280 --> 04:54:52,500
waiting all back there all day for this moment,

3480
04:54:54,520 --> 04:54:55,660
yeah, so our truck transition

3481
04:54:55,660 --> 04:54:59,740
plan that we presented to this board in June of 2022 estimates.

3482
04:55:00,000 --> 04:55:06,940
We need about 80 to 150 trucks, the most frequent flyers to our terminals to reach our goals.

3483
04:55:07,540 --> 04:55:20,040
I'm assuming that gauge zero's proposal was trying to get to that level, but it may not actually get to the full 40% target with 56 trucks.

3484
04:55:20,040 --> 04:55:29,720
Okay. In terms of financing, Sky Charter had some very impressive partners. Thank you very much.

3485
04:55:30,620 --> 04:55:40,500
I read and gauge zeros proposal that they were looking for, but not yet had found grant partners and they were looking for our help.

3486
04:55:40,500 --> 04:55:45,920
So what I want to make sure because both proposals make clear that the port is not going to have

3487
04:55:45,920 --> 04:55:53,640
to contribute any money to this, gauge euro did talk about arc financial in their 300 million.

3488
04:55:54,300 --> 04:56:02,040
I just want to make sure that sitting here today, both proposals are able to finance and pay

3489
04:56:02,040 --> 04:56:04,500
for the projects that they put forward.

3490
04:56:05,320 --> 04:56:15,700
Or this is not on the come and that one or the other proposals would actually need additional financing partner to make the project happen.

3491
04:56:36,600 --> 04:56:38,500
Thank you for the question.

3492
04:56:38,500 --> 04:56:43,180
that we are going to be applying for third-party grandson incentives across the board, both for

3493
04:56:43,180 --> 04:56:48,260
the transportation piece, as well as for other components of the project, but we are capable

3494
04:56:48,260 --> 04:56:52,680
with the sizing and the utilization that's expected to move forward without those.

3495
04:56:52,980 --> 04:56:57,040
Okay, and just stay there as long as you're there, but I did read in your proposal that you were

3496
04:56:57,040 --> 04:57:03,580
looking for some help with some grant writing, which I think we can help you with, we're happy to,

3497
04:57:03,580 --> 04:57:07,440
you know, if you were the selected as a proposal, but just to make sure that it's not relying

3498
04:57:07,440 --> 04:57:13,340
on that grant. That is correct. I believe that we would be more successful in partnership with you in

3499
04:57:13,340 --> 04:57:18,460
terms of applying for the grants, which is why we have not yet applied for the grants, but we would

3500
04:57:18,460 --> 04:57:26,860
look to do that in partnership with you going forward. Okay, and do you have any experience with Hydrogen?

3501
04:57:27,720 --> 04:57:35,000
If technology shifted and we needed to do some hydrogen refueling, do you have any experience in that area?

3502
04:57:35,880 --> 04:57:40,260
Commissioner, I believe that no one in the United States currently has experienced with hydrogen.

3503
04:57:41,460 --> 04:57:47,240
I will say that we have experienced the team and I have experienced in renewable natural gas,

3504
04:57:47,680 --> 04:57:51,240
as well as a significant number of different types of technologies.

3505
04:57:51,860 --> 04:57:56,060
We don't believe that hydrogen technology is present yet.

3506
04:57:56,100 --> 04:57:59,760
However, we do believe that you can transition the technology,

3507
04:57:59,760 --> 04:58:07,760
which is one of the reasons why we're phasing it in to ensure that we have the best possible technology as we do the phasing of the projects.

3508
04:58:08,440 --> 04:58:09,660
Okay, thank you very much.

3509
04:58:10,920 --> 04:58:14,480
And Sky Charger to you in terms of any additional funding grant.

3510
04:58:14,920 --> 04:58:18,980
The additional funding we have, we're profitable company, we're funded off our own balance sheet.

3511
04:58:19,840 --> 04:58:24,600
In terms of grants, we've already moved ahead and submitted grant funding.

3512
04:58:24,600 --> 04:58:34,160
We received the highest score from the CDC and have subsequently submitted for funding.

3513
04:58:34,680 --> 04:58:42,080
Our project does not know the project economics that we put forward does not assume any grant funding.

3514
04:58:42,520 --> 04:58:52,340
So if we get grant funding, that's grant funding that we can share in the form of higher

3515
04:58:52,340 --> 04:58:57,880
or leasing terms to the truckers or more money to the community or all of the above.

3516
04:58:58,320 --> 04:59:03,180
Okay, and do you want to open on the future of technology and hydrogen and your ability to...

3517
04:59:03,180 --> 04:59:03,840
So, first of all...

3518
04:59:03,840 --> 04:59:05,460
Could you please speak into them, Microsoft?

3519
04:59:05,880 --> 04:59:06,700
Yeah, I'm sorry.

3520
04:59:07,180 --> 04:59:11,960
So, first of all, Matt, do you want to talk about what you guys have done?

3521
04:59:12,260 --> 04:59:15,080
Hydrogen is a technology that is on the comet.

3522
04:59:15,380 --> 04:59:17,860
It is certainly behind battery electric.

3523
04:59:17,940 --> 04:59:19,860
It may or may not get there.

3524
04:59:19,860 --> 04:59:30,820
There's certainly plenty of people who want it to get there, but I mean Toyota wanted to build hydrogen cars for, you know, for 20 years, and now, you know, they're making making electric cars.

3525
04:59:30,960 --> 04:59:35,020
I mean, they thought it was hydrogen was the future. Maybe it gets there, and maybe it doesn't.

3526
04:59:35,260 --> 04:59:40,240
We're agnostic technology, right? But burdens and McDonald has had some experience.

3527
04:59:41,260 --> 04:59:43,640
Yeah, so great question. Commissioner Malcolm.

3528
04:59:45,500 --> 04:59:50,340
So as far as hydrogen is concerned, it's true that it is still developing technology in terms

3529
04:59:50,340 --> 04:59:51,320
of hydrogen fuel cell.

3530
04:59:51,780 --> 04:59:55,880
We are currently working on projects across the country, right now they're pilot scale

3531
04:59:55,880 --> 04:59:59,960
for both the generation of hydrogen green hydrogen electrolysis, as well as steam.

3532
05:00:00,560 --> 05:00:08,760
And then also moving that for the transport and actually deployment for vehicles as well, currently up at the port of Los Angeles.

3533
05:00:09,580 --> 05:00:15,020
There are some pilot projects that are being started for doing hydrogen fuel cell top hammers and things of that nature.

3534
05:00:15,900 --> 05:00:24,300
So I would say that when you look at the progression in terms of commercial readiness, right now battery electric is probably about five years ahead of where hydrogen fuel cell is.

3535
05:00:24,300 --> 05:00:26,740
but in the next five years,

3536
05:00:26,940 --> 05:00:28,340
also if you look at some of the technologies,

3537
05:00:28,600 --> 05:00:31,320
like for example, Taylor, who develops a lot of day,

3538
05:00:31,720 --> 05:00:32,660
Cargo Halley equipment,

3539
05:00:33,040 --> 05:00:36,180
you actually see that they're offering three different things.

3540
05:00:36,500 --> 05:00:37,320
So, and when you look at the progression,

3541
05:00:37,500 --> 05:00:40,000
it's first battery electric today, in addition to diesel,

3542
05:00:40,440 --> 05:00:42,020
the next is the hydrogen fuel cell,

3543
05:00:42,260 --> 05:00:45,000
and probably an exciting area is direct burn

3544
05:00:45,000 --> 05:00:46,460
of hydrogen and engines,

3545
05:00:46,540 --> 05:00:48,520
and that's probably another few years there out.

3546
05:00:49,180 --> 05:00:51,380
So, we're hydrogen, I think, really fits in in particular,

3547
05:00:51,880 --> 05:00:53,300
is on those longer hall trucks.

3548
05:00:53,300 --> 05:00:59,780
having a little more flexibility for range and then also, you know, feeling being more typical

3549
05:00:59,780 --> 05:01:01,600
to like a diesel equivalent.

3550
05:01:02,580 --> 05:01:03,960
Thank you very much for those answers.

3551
05:01:06,660 --> 05:01:11,460
So I'm not going to really put my thumb on either one of the proposals at this point.

3552
05:01:11,460 --> 05:01:15,780
I'm going to talk about some general things that are important to me, which may be totally

3553
05:01:15,780 --> 05:01:18,320
different than what are important to my colleague.

3554
05:01:18,320 --> 05:01:25,020
So, but I know that you guys are going to be potentially revising your proposals based upon what you hear.

3555
05:01:26,260 --> 05:01:33,360
So, the first thing I want to say is that this isn't iterative process that actually says it on page 3 of our staff report.

3556
05:01:35,740 --> 05:01:41,360
It's my belief that we should proceed cautiously and carefully at the port.

3557
05:01:41,360 --> 05:01:43,560
We'll also try to meet our goals.

3558
05:01:43,960 --> 05:01:50,460
We've set goals and we want to meet them, 2026 and 2030 goals, but I want to balance that

3559
05:01:50,460 --> 05:01:57,280
also with our obligation to maritime, which we are a port and we do have an obligation.

3560
05:01:57,440 --> 05:02:02,360
And we've heard from one of our tenants' patients that utilize this desights right now

3561
05:02:02,360 --> 05:02:08,420
for, I believe, you said 30,000 cars a year, which is probably upwards of 800,000 to a million

3562
05:02:08,420 --> 05:02:10,860
dollars of maritime revenue to the poor.

3563
05:02:10,940 --> 05:02:18,700
Somewhere around there, I don't know, but we need to do both all the time.

3564
05:02:18,860 --> 05:02:22,020
We need to do maritime and we also need to meet our goals.

3565
05:02:23,280 --> 05:02:30,880
So with that being said, I am at this point a little more attracted to a smaller footprint

3566
05:02:30,880 --> 05:02:34,540
while meeting our goals because that also helps maritime.

3567
05:02:34,540 --> 05:02:40,400
Either way we go, I want to make sure and I want written into the agreement that the winning

3568
05:02:40,400 --> 05:02:42,920
bidder is going to collaborate with our poor tenants.

3569
05:02:43,180 --> 05:02:49,940
It's going to work to minimize disturbance and actually above that standard actually collaborate

3570
05:02:49,940 --> 05:02:57,520
and work with them to help their business along with building out this truck stop.

3571
05:02:57,920 --> 05:03:00,660
So that would be something that would be very important to me.

3572
05:03:00,660 --> 05:03:06,020
I know it's important to our, our, our, our tenant, particularly patient right there.

3573
05:03:12,640 --> 05:03:17,600
I want to, EHC actually brought this up and it was a question of mine as well.

3574
05:03:17,760 --> 05:03:22,380
And that is priority for existing port tenant trucks.

3575
05:03:23,060 --> 05:03:26,980
We're, we're not building this, you know, for other trucks to come in,

3576
05:03:27,100 --> 05:03:28,300
we really want to show priority.

3577
05:03:28,440 --> 05:03:29,780
I did read the proposals.

3578
05:03:29,780 --> 05:03:38,820
Sky Charger, you address it 2.1.4 and page 4, you address priority for port trucks.

3579
05:03:39,340 --> 05:03:46,560
I really like gauge zero, it has a 10% discount for port-serving trucks, so I see things

3580
05:03:46,560 --> 05:03:53,520
in both proposals that I like, I like the discount, I like the priority, I would like

3581
05:03:53,520 --> 05:03:59,380
that better address on how exactly you're going to do that when you reset mid these proposals

3582
05:03:59,380 --> 05:04:01,920
and perhaps Sky Charger would want to think about that.

3583
05:04:02,280 --> 05:04:06,820
Gage, I think perhaps you want to think about a little bit more flushing in on how you

3584
05:04:06,820 --> 05:04:12,260
are going to prioritize that and what that actually looks like, you know, to do that.

3585
05:04:13,960 --> 05:04:24,190
Financial system we talked about. I noticed that Sky Charger in their proposal

3586
05:04:25,030 --> 05:04:30,510
talk about leasing land back to Pasha, that they didn't need.

3587
05:04:31,290 --> 05:04:38,590
And while I appreciate that, I kind of feel like I want to size this right, and I want

3588
05:04:38,590 --> 05:04:44,750
the Port of San Diego to maintain, you know, our ability to lease land and to do tubes,

3589
05:04:44,830 --> 05:04:47,890
rather than relying on our proposal to do that.

3590
05:04:47,950 --> 05:04:52,430
I think that we are the best, you know, so I appreciate what you're trying to do there because

3591
05:04:52,430 --> 05:04:57,030
you're trying to solve a problem and you're trying to collaborate with tenants, but it really

3592
05:04:57,030 --> 05:04:59,970
gets back down, the sizing for me, and getting...

3593
05:05:00,000 --> 05:05:09,680
To the size that works, you know, understanding that the iterative process is not going to stop with this project.

3594
05:05:10,120 --> 05:05:27,520
Technology is going to advance. And in fact, when I was in South Korea, I talked to a lot a few people about hydrogen trucks and about their thoughts on hydrogen, especially power takeoff trucks that need to refrigerate or need to move cement,

3595
05:05:27,520 --> 05:05:34,420
you know, and how hydrogen is really much more efficient, you know, to that than an electric power.

3596
05:05:34,760 --> 05:05:38,440
So, a lot of people have a lot of opinions. I'm just a dumb real estate guy, you know,

3597
05:05:38,520 --> 05:05:44,720
but, but I did hear a lot of opinions out there that, you know, we're saying maybe hydrogen is coming.

3598
05:05:45,180 --> 05:05:51,700
So, I don't want to get too overly invested right now. That's kind of, that's kind of my feeling.

3599
05:05:51,700 --> 05:05:58,760
I kind of want to do the minimum project to meet our goals, you know, but also kind of leave

3600
05:05:58,760 --> 05:06:05,060
leave room for our maritime tenets. So that's kind of, that's kind of my sense here.

3601
05:06:09,700 --> 05:06:13,480
On the rent, it was just curious to me.

3602
05:06:15,580 --> 05:06:20,920
Gage 0 is got 650,000 of guaranteed minimum rent.

3603
05:06:20,920 --> 05:06:23,300
I think I read that right, I read that right.

3604
05:06:23,880 --> 05:06:27,580
And then 10% on charging rent and 5% of other rent.

3605
05:06:28,160 --> 05:06:32,960
Sky Chargers has 350,000 of guaranteed rent,

3606
05:06:33,300 --> 05:06:34,900
plus 10% of all other income.

3607
05:06:35,660 --> 05:06:38,220
So obviously there's things I like about both.

3608
05:06:38,340 --> 05:06:40,780
I like the higher guaranteed rent of gauge.

3609
05:06:41,320 --> 05:06:46,180
I like the 10% guaranteed on all revenue of sky chargers.

3610
05:06:47,420 --> 05:06:50,280
So there's something I like about both of that.

3611
05:06:50,280 --> 05:06:55,280
I'm a little bit flum-like, because Sky Chargers is a much bigger project and a much lower

3612
05:06:55,280 --> 05:06:56,060
guaranteed rent.

3613
05:06:56,640 --> 05:07:01,020
That doesn't make sense to me, although I'm sure you would tell me the 10% is going

3614
05:07:01,020 --> 05:07:05,460
to make up the difference, but still, the guaranteed numbers, always an important number,

3615
05:07:05,900 --> 05:07:07,160
also the least term.

3616
05:07:07,880 --> 05:07:10,000
Sky Chargers has a 20-year lease.

3617
05:07:10,400 --> 05:07:11,680
That is more of a commitment.

3618
05:07:11,980 --> 05:07:13,040
I like that.

3619
05:07:13,080 --> 05:07:14,800
Gave zero is 10 years.

3620
05:07:15,500 --> 05:07:16,660
That's less of a commitment.

3621
05:07:16,660 --> 05:07:24,680
You know, I'm looking for a little bit more of a commitment here, on least term, so I like 20 years more than I like 10 years.

3622
05:07:24,940 --> 05:07:30,700
So I guess what you're hearing here is you're hearing that I like parts of different proposals.

3623
05:07:32,320 --> 05:07:39,000
I really though, and focused on getting the most on the least footprint.

3624
05:07:39,000 --> 05:07:49,780
That is big because maritime land and contiguous maritime land is extremely valuable to us and for our tenants.

3625
05:07:50,080 --> 05:07:51,940
So that is going to be a major driver for me.

3626
05:07:52,120 --> 05:07:53,600
But those are some of my thoughts.

3627
05:07:54,220 --> 05:07:56,600
And I look forward to the revised proposals.

3628
05:07:56,840 --> 05:08:00,960
And again, I thank you very much for both of your team's hard work on this.

3629
05:08:01,320 --> 05:08:02,080
Thank you commissioner.

3630
05:08:02,120 --> 05:08:03,040
Commissioner not on home.

3631
05:08:05,750 --> 05:08:07,870
Yes, I have some questions and comments.

3632
05:08:07,870 --> 05:08:12,990
And the first question I want to bring back the question that Kyle from Environmental Health

3633
05:08:12,990 --> 05:08:16,150
Coalition, about the concern about trucking as a service.

3634
05:08:17,290 --> 05:08:23,510
So if you can talk a little bit more about addressing his concern about trucking as a service

3635
05:08:23,510 --> 05:08:25,410
and what he brought up.

3636
05:08:27,130 --> 05:08:28,230
Thank you.

3637
05:08:29,710 --> 05:08:31,170
There's two issues.

3638
05:08:31,550 --> 05:08:35,010
There's two issues for a truck driver to adopt to an electric vehicle.

3639
05:08:35,010 --> 05:08:40,910
I mean, if you're a small fleet owner or you're an independent operator, the only thing that

3640
05:08:40,910 --> 05:08:43,670
you rely on, the thing you rely on, day in and day out and set your truck works.

3641
05:08:45,430 --> 05:08:49,450
So why am I going to take, why am I going to get rid of my truck that works to take on

3642
05:08:49,450 --> 05:08:50,050
a new technology?

3643
05:08:50,350 --> 05:08:54,310
So there's a technology, you know, how do you get somebody in, you know, get somebody to

3644
05:08:54,310 --> 05:08:56,030
be an early adopter on technology?

3645
05:08:56,950 --> 05:09:04,430
And then also, you know, how do you create a financing solution that's better than market?

3646
05:09:04,430 --> 05:09:14,470
Well, there's an opportunity because the economics of this, we can make the economics of this

3647
05:09:14,470 --> 05:09:22,590
program work without grant funding. But there's grant funding. So the portion of that should go

3648
05:09:22,590 --> 05:09:31,870
to creating a, and this is our thesis, this is our model, this is what we're putting together.

3649
05:09:31,870 --> 05:09:39,250
is that a portion of that should go back to the truck driver in the term, in the form of a lower

3650
05:09:39,250 --> 05:09:45,050
lease, a better rate, a shorter lease, and a better rate, so that they can have the equity of

3651
05:09:45,050 --> 05:09:59,590
ownership quicker. The second thing is the adoption of the electric vehicle. So part of our

3652
05:10:00,000 --> 05:10:11,460
Some period of time where you park your diesel truck in our, in our lot and you drive the electric truck before you're committed to owning it, before you're committed to leasing it, so that you understand.

3653
05:10:11,940 --> 05:10:18,920
And we'll also have vehicle, you know, replacement vehicles. So if they break down, we're there to support the driver.

3654
05:10:19,520 --> 05:10:28,420
The driver is the guy, he has to be rewarded for taking the chance. And the reality is to meet the goal of 2026, or even the goal of 2030,

3655
05:10:28,420 --> 05:10:32,040
that the truckers have to have to buy off on this.

3656
05:10:32,360 --> 05:10:34,200
I know California's put a gun to their head,

3657
05:10:35,100 --> 05:10:37,580
but in order to meet the port's goals,

3658
05:10:38,580 --> 05:10:40,020
there's gonna be, you're gonna have to,

3659
05:10:40,360 --> 05:10:44,540
we can, the first place anybody would focus is on

3660
05:10:44,540 --> 05:10:47,300
the trucks that are older,

3661
05:10:47,820 --> 05:10:49,720
but you're gonna have to be early replacement

3662
05:10:49,720 --> 05:10:51,980
of diesel vehicles, and to do that,

3663
05:10:52,120 --> 05:10:54,280
there has to be both the economic assurory

3664
05:10:54,280 --> 05:11:02,880
and the assuray on the technology that they can do this with minimal risk.

3665
05:11:04,280 --> 05:11:05,540
And it's not for every truck.

3666
05:11:06,200 --> 05:11:12,240
Battery electric trucks are only going to give you 250 miles worth of range.

3667
05:11:14,320 --> 05:11:23,200
So the trucks that are driving 500 miles in back, that's not the battery electric trucks

3668
05:11:23,200 --> 05:11:27,040
are not currently not the right technology for them.

3669
05:11:27,160 --> 05:11:34,700
So we're going to be looking to focus on frequent flyers who are running shorter routes.

3670
05:11:35,540 --> 05:11:39,160
And then obviously older trucks and then with diesel replacement for the trucks that are

3671
05:11:39,160 --> 05:11:43,640
still not forced to replace, but that are older.

3672
05:11:44,400 --> 05:11:46,260
Do that help you in your question?

3673
05:11:46,440 --> 05:11:47,580
Yes, thank you.

3674
05:11:51,980 --> 05:11:52,160
Good evening.

3675
05:11:52,320 --> 05:11:52,920
My name is Sam here.

3676
05:11:52,920 --> 05:11:54,800
and say, we business development gauge zero.

3677
05:11:54,960 --> 05:11:57,020
Thank you, Commissioner's Chair, Acting President,

3678
05:11:57,200 --> 05:11:58,520
and Commissioner and around hope for the question.

3679
05:11:59,860 --> 05:12:03,080
You know, San Diego is, the person anger

3680
05:12:03,080 --> 05:12:05,340
is the leading edge of the leading edge here,

3681
05:12:05,420 --> 05:12:08,000
because California has adopted advanced clean fleets,

3682
05:12:08,100 --> 05:12:09,440
which is pushing everything forward.

3683
05:12:09,740 --> 05:12:12,160
San Diego, the person anger has adopted a goal

3684
05:12:12,160 --> 05:12:14,760
that is even more ambitious than what Carlos

3685
05:12:14,760 --> 05:12:16,060
thing that we have to do at ports.

3686
05:12:16,440 --> 05:12:17,080
And that's incredible.

3687
05:12:18,320 --> 05:12:20,560
And we are collectively going to live and die

3688
05:12:20,560 --> 05:12:24,960
by this success of this project, and the way to do that is we have to bring the drivers

3689
05:12:24,960 --> 05:12:25,860
along with us.

3690
05:12:26,100 --> 05:12:32,460
And we are members of the Harvard Trucking Association, which has fleets it, fleets

3691
05:12:32,460 --> 05:12:36,040
and truckers all up and down, not only California, but also the entire West Coast, and we're

3692
05:12:36,040 --> 05:12:39,580
hearing time and again from the truckers that are part of this community that, like, how are

3693
05:12:39,580 --> 05:12:40,260
we going to do this?

3694
05:12:40,260 --> 05:12:41,340
Who is going to help us do this?

3695
05:12:41,380 --> 05:12:46,420
And we have some big names, like Dole and Pasha, who have been doing amazing work, leading

3696
05:12:46,420 --> 05:12:52,820
this and you know all the back to 2015-2016 is, if Mr. Sylvester said, but we have to be able

3697
05:12:52,820 --> 05:12:59,460
to bring everyone along with us. And if we don't succeed here, then I'm fearful for what

3698
05:12:59,460 --> 05:13:04,260
that means for the whole climate movement quite frankly. So it's extremely important that

3699
05:13:04,260 --> 05:13:09,020
we get this right. And we have to make this easy for the actual truckers, the truck and

3700
05:13:09,020 --> 05:13:14,760
companies, and the drivers, to make this happen. So what we're going to do to get there is

3701
05:13:14,760 --> 05:13:19,500
we have already began to reach to trucking companies,

3702
05:13:19,680 --> 05:13:21,120
Dr. H Company's both large and small,

3703
05:13:21,400 --> 05:13:23,840
including one very small company called Jacob Trucking,

3704
05:13:23,880 --> 05:13:25,300
which has 10 trucks, I believe,

3705
05:13:25,520 --> 05:13:26,580
they serve the port here.

3706
05:13:27,160 --> 05:13:30,240
And we provide financing options that help them to do this.

3707
05:13:30,340 --> 05:13:31,580
So it's so complicated.

3708
05:13:31,680 --> 05:13:33,060
They have to figure it each way.

3709
05:13:33,180 --> 05:13:36,000
And they have to figure out all sorts of card programs

3710
05:13:36,000 --> 05:13:39,060
and regulations like we just want to take away all those headaches

3711
05:13:39,060 --> 05:13:41,320
and make it as easy as possible for drivers to transition.

3712
05:13:41,820 --> 05:13:43,760
And they're not going to be able to do it unless we do that.

3713
05:13:43,760 --> 05:13:48,600
So we're providing the financing for them to be able to get these trucks that you don't have to

3714
05:13:48,600 --> 05:13:54,040
put out any upfront capital at all. We will put all that up for them. We can either lease it to them

3715
05:13:54,040 --> 05:13:59,900
with a very clear lease to own path or we can finance it if they just want to start right off the

3716
05:13:59,900 --> 05:14:06,020
bat owning it themselves. We provide maintenance services and of course crucially provide the charging as well.

3717
05:14:06,380 --> 05:14:10,880
So it has to be a whole package and that's what we offer and if we don't do that we won't succeed.

3718
05:14:10,880 --> 05:14:12,120
So it's extremely important.

3719
05:14:15,080 --> 05:14:15,580
Thank you.

3720
05:14:15,680 --> 05:14:17,860
And then I have a separate question for both of the bidder.

3721
05:14:18,060 --> 05:14:22,460
So the separate question I have is about demonstration

3722
05:14:23,000 --> 05:14:25,900
of the functionality of the charging to demonstrate

3723
05:14:25,900 --> 05:14:27,420
because this was mentioned.

3724
05:14:27,920 --> 05:14:29,620
When I had the meeting with the Environmental Health Coalition,

3725
05:14:30,420 --> 05:14:31,340
they had shared with me.

3726
05:14:31,420 --> 05:14:33,960
There's some sites that some of the charges are not working.

3727
05:14:34,540 --> 05:14:36,440
So how can you share your demonstration,

3728
05:14:36,600 --> 05:14:39,220
make sure it's functional and there's no loss opportunity there.

3729
05:14:43,790 --> 05:14:46,370
So for the Skyview team, one of the things

3730
05:14:46,370 --> 05:14:52,030
we're doing is repartoring with charge point. Charge point of course has a network of tens of

3731
05:14:52,030 --> 05:14:58,650
thousands of chargers in California. They have a service model. So part of what we're in

3732
05:14:58,650 --> 05:14:59,970
terms of the plan for the site is...

3733
05:15:00,000 --> 05:15:29,980
Is building a little bit of redundancy in terms of number of chargers, recognizing that chargers can go down. But then having additional chargers there for other trucks plug into, I mean, especially early on, I would expect that there may be more chargers than there will be demand for trucks, which will provide that redundancy. So when they go offline, charge point will get a signal, that triggers maintenance event to get that back up and line quickly. So that's really a pretty much a standard approach by partnering with the company like charge point.

3734
05:15:31,760 --> 05:15:33,760
Thank you.

3735
05:15:39,550 --> 05:15:41,030
Thank you very much.

3736
05:15:42,030 --> 05:15:43,430
Thank you very much for the question.

3737
05:15:44,350 --> 05:15:47,850
I'm partly filler our Chief Development Officer for gauge zero.

3738
05:15:48,730 --> 05:15:51,450
Just to speak a little bit about our operations and maintenance.

3739
05:15:51,730 --> 05:15:55,210
So we will be the long-term owner and operator of the site.

3740
05:15:55,510 --> 05:16:03,130
We understand that the, you know, reliability of the equipment is going to be critical to a driver.

3741
05:16:03,130 --> 05:16:10,690
is unacceptable for them to show up and not be able to charge, that does not work within their

3742
05:16:10,690 --> 05:16:18,010
current operations within their day. So that would be a huge costing convenience and really

3743
05:16:18,010 --> 05:16:22,830
put it parallel to success of this project. If this equipment is not reliable, that's why we've built

3744
05:16:22,830 --> 05:16:31,110
in additional budget for spare parts on site, for on site operations management, who are there

3745
05:16:31,110 --> 05:16:35,150
today doing preventative maintenance checks, you know, making sure that there is

3746
05:16:35,150 --> 05:16:39,790
a operations maintenance cycle that really ensures this reliability and that's

3747
05:16:39,790 --> 05:16:44,890
supported by your vendor commitments that they have contractually committed to

3748
05:16:44,890 --> 05:16:49,270
certain uptime guarantees and that is backed up by the agreements that we have

3749
05:16:49,270 --> 05:16:55,670
supporting our operations in place. So that's really critical to our ability to

3750
05:16:55,670 --> 05:17:00,430
provide a reliable service to the truck and community that we're going to be

3751
05:17:00,430 --> 05:17:07,490
here. Thank you. So that's those are the only two questions I had so I'm just going to go into my

3752
05:17:07,490 --> 05:17:13,310
comments. So my comments. Just thank you, poor staff. Thank you Maggie. I just want to express my gratitude

3753
05:17:13,310 --> 05:17:21,170
to the team for really just taking this proactive approach on this topic. Also for being very open

3754
05:17:21,170 --> 05:17:26,090
and transparent communication with all the stakeholders together really early input. You showed

3755
05:17:26,090 --> 05:17:32,990
timeline of where we were talking to, talking to my city, talking to other groups, to really talk

3756
05:17:32,990 --> 05:17:39,570
about the RFP, on the charging stations, and I just want to thank you for your dedication. I want

3757
05:17:39,570 --> 05:17:44,710
to say I am super impressed with both proposals, and it's really exciting to see how we're really

3758
05:17:44,710 --> 05:17:56,070
moving towards meeting our MCAS goals. So the input I have that I'm going to provide is what I

3759
05:17:56,070 --> 05:18:04,650
I throw in national city, national city, you know, mainly industrial, and so, you know, we're proud to carry on and mean the future and being part of the team.

3760
05:18:04,930 --> 05:18:10,030
So here are some important considerations that we want to see included in the winning bid.

3761
05:18:10,390 --> 05:18:21,450
So first, really outline detail, the comprehensive truck traffic, management study, and plan to ensure like smooth flow of the incoming trucks I'll be going in from 19 Avenue and Thailand.

3762
05:18:21,450 --> 05:18:27,590
This will help minimize any potential disruptions in ensure efficient operations on our streets.

3763
05:18:28,470 --> 05:18:33,530
Secondly, it was recommended that a portion of the revenue, we talked about revenue sharing,

3764
05:18:34,410 --> 05:18:39,370
that going to the district, that there is a portion that's allocated kind of like our maritime industrial impact fund,

3765
05:18:39,570 --> 05:18:43,490
where it goes into off-tilens and programs that really help our community,

3766
05:18:43,790 --> 05:18:49,550
but a fund that is this same way, but utilized to address the various impacts caused by the project.

3767
05:18:49,550 --> 05:18:55,910
So for instance, it could be supporting hiring code enforcement officers, like the truck routes,

3768
05:18:56,030 --> 05:18:58,150
like enforcing our truck routes in national city.

3769
05:18:58,490 --> 05:19:05,030
It could also be allocated for road maintenance and improvements because as we know that's

3770
05:19:05,030 --> 05:19:09,910
battery electric vehicle trucks are heavier and they could have more impact on our streets.

3771
05:19:10,010 --> 05:19:11,070
And so that's a safety issue.

3772
05:19:11,230 --> 05:19:19,410
So we're going to make sure that we can accommodate that and also reiterating what we've

3773
05:19:19,410 --> 05:19:25,030
Council Member Marcus Bush about really being meaningful on community benefits so just beyond

3774
05:19:25,030 --> 05:19:30,530
the, you know, on site murals because there was a proposal for the murals at the location,

3775
05:19:30,910 --> 05:19:36,310
but I think it's really, you know, we look at murals looking into other areas, part of the community,

3776
05:19:37,330 --> 05:19:49,390
enhancing the communities aesthetic appeal, also like my council member said, when we talk about

3777
05:19:49,390 --> 05:19:53,050
it becomes, you know, there's an actual educational component. So it's not necessarily just a

3778
05:19:53,050 --> 05:19:59,830
trust, but it's, it's all connected. And just really exploring other potential benefits that

3779
05:19:59,830 --> 05:19:59,970
I like.

3780
05:20:00,000 --> 05:20:06,740
The committee needs that should also be considered. So it's not just these two things, but I know that the community has outlined in the

3781
05:20:06,740 --> 05:20:18,760
serve, but also in more detail. The city is definitely willing to talk specific about what those

3782
05:20:18,760 --> 05:20:24,650
again and no look for and to see the winning better and get moving on to me and our goals.

3783
05:20:26,360 --> 05:20:28,180
Thank you commissioner and more.

3784
05:20:31,600 --> 05:20:38,520
Thank you first I want to say I am I absolutely in agreement with

3785
05:20:38,520 --> 05:20:44,680
the comments that were made by both the commissioners. I am particularly interested as well in the

3786
05:20:44,680 --> 05:20:51,480
local community benefit and I'm wondering regarding I'm also intrigued by this training program

3787
05:20:51,860 --> 05:20:56,940
especially in conjunction I believe it's with IBW did I get that correct?

3788
05:20:57,840 --> 05:21:05,900
So to me it seems like that would be a great opportunity to tap into local residents within

3789
05:21:05,900 --> 05:21:12,600
national city and to be able to provide perhaps training programs with a certain

3790
05:21:12,600 --> 05:21:18,300
maybe guaranteed percentage of people living in national city as part of the community

3791
05:21:18,300 --> 05:21:31,460
benefit is that something that you guys have thought about or is that absolutely I think really the the main the main the center and equity in this work is saying that yes we really want to meet the national city

3792
05:21:32,300 --> 05:21:32,900
residents

3793
05:21:32,900 --> 05:21:43,300
but I am also a San Diego resident and I know a lot of our conversations don't really include Southeast San Diego and that's where I do much work and so I have been

3794
05:21:43,300 --> 05:21:49,000
consistently involved with the environmental health coalition as a resident, knowing that this

3795
05:21:49,000 --> 05:21:53,560
work has to happen, but I'm also involved in many coalitions that are looking at south

3796
05:21:53,560 --> 05:21:59,280
of any communities that are south of the eight interstate. And so what we're really missing in

3797
05:21:59,280 --> 05:22:06,640
all of this climate work is the workforce. But what we're learning also is that it's bigger than

3798
05:22:06,640 --> 05:22:11,680
the trade, the high road jobs. So IBEW will provide the

3799
05:22:12,920 --> 05:22:16,560
electrician training but it really doesn't address the issues

3800
05:22:16,560 --> 05:22:20,300
about not having great stem programs in our communities.

3801
05:22:20,900 --> 05:22:23,860
So we really want to encourage what is relevant and most

3802
05:22:23,860 --> 05:22:26,620
beneficial to community members who want to take action and that

3803
05:22:26,620 --> 05:22:29,660
would be something like really connecting with some community health

3804
05:22:29,660 --> 05:22:32,480
programs. Because those are the advocates, those are the

3805
05:22:32,480 --> 05:22:34,920
individuals that are learning about the health impacts and those are

3806
05:22:34,920 --> 05:22:39,060
individuals that are actually going to be able to become more

3807
05:22:39,060 --> 05:22:41,480
adopting and really encourage their families.

3808
05:22:42,320 --> 05:22:44,980
So modeling and really looking at some of those

3809
05:22:44,980 --> 05:22:49,120
community health programs that can then foster adoption within

3810
05:22:49,120 --> 05:22:52,060
families in national city, Southeast San Diego.

3811
05:22:53,040 --> 05:22:56,220
And then also looking at the STEM education programs that are

3812
05:22:56,220 --> 05:23:00,760
existing within the schools and maybe connecting with

3813
05:23:00,760 --> 05:23:06,040
we're doing in high school district and also the national city school district so that those

3814
05:23:06,040 --> 05:23:12,100
students are offered the opportunity to learn a little bit more about what you need to do in

3815
05:23:12,100 --> 05:23:18,400
school in order for you to become an electrician for you to be able to manage and maintain. And then

3816
05:23:18,400 --> 05:23:23,860
ideally in the long term we really want to engage in the entrepreneurial conversation because we know

3817
05:23:23,860 --> 05:23:31,140
that many of our systems do not really make it accessible to join climate career programs.

3818
05:23:31,500 --> 05:23:36,260
We don't have enough, and so we really take a lens of looking at what are all the pathways

3819
05:23:36,260 --> 05:23:38,400
in which we can really engage community.

3820
05:23:38,960 --> 05:23:45,220
And we would offer those ongoing training programs to all of the coalition members that

3821
05:23:45,220 --> 05:23:50,180
you heard speaking on behalf of this project, either through a voicemail or here, I would

3822
05:23:50,180 --> 05:23:55,120
of money Robinson, and then connecting with the educational cultural complex who are already

3823
05:23:55,120 --> 05:24:00,480
doing some mechanical work. So all of these collectively along with the electrician training

3824
05:24:00,480 --> 05:24:05,880
with IBEW allows us to have a full scope of how do you engage the community and the workforce

3825
05:24:05,880 --> 05:24:09,780
development aspect of this project? And so that's really our goal here.

3826
05:24:10,880 --> 05:24:15,560
Thank you very much for that. I can tell you that me personally I'm very interested in the training

3827
05:24:15,560 --> 05:24:22,040
program because jobs are really important and this is something of a future trade I think

3828
05:24:22,040 --> 05:24:26,840
that would become you know life-changing for people and I know I represent the City of

3829
05:24:26,840 --> 05:24:31,700
Chilivista and I know one of the big things that was really important was this idea that

3830
05:24:31,700 --> 05:24:38,980
our big project going on right now would create 6,000 4,000 community jobs so I'm really you

3831
05:24:38,980 --> 05:24:44,240
know interested in would like to get more detail on the next time the proposals come regarding

3832
05:24:44,240 --> 05:24:49,880
exactly looking at this training program and how you can, you know, sort of involve the community

3833
05:24:49,880 --> 05:24:56,060
and to be able to look at, you know, their future in this particular field. So that's when I'm

3834
05:24:56,620 --> 05:24:58,100
interested. Yeah. Great.

3835
05:25:00,000 --> 05:25:02,960
Yeah, thank you, I think. Yeah, thank you, and I think.

3836
05:25:05,200 --> 05:25:15,740
Hello, for the record stand there. It's head of business development in GFZR. I'm just very briefly, I want to address the comment from Mr. Moore regarding that lease term, and actually we agree.

3837
05:25:15,960 --> 05:25:20,880
We would rather do a longer lease term. So, you'd be ready to see that 20-year plus.

3838
05:25:22,180 --> 05:25:30,820
Yes, longer is better for everybody. Getting to community benefits, I thought maybe we would just say a few words, go in a little more detail than what we had on the slide

3839
05:25:30,820 --> 05:25:34,240
that Zayna presented earlier since there was a lot on there.

3840
05:25:34,840 --> 05:25:37,080
But we have actually, at the highest level,

3841
05:25:37,180 --> 05:25:40,860
we're allocating $67.5,000 per year,

3842
05:25:41,660 --> 05:25:43,640
which actually gets to, I think someone's coming early,

3843
05:25:43,780 --> 05:25:45,100
you said, don't do it just as a one-time thing,

3844
05:25:45,240 --> 05:25:45,940
do it as a per year thing.

3845
05:25:46,080 --> 05:25:48,900
So we're actually arguing that $67.5,000 per year.

3846
05:25:49,920 --> 05:25:51,980
And we have a quite a multifaceted,

3847
05:25:51,980 --> 05:25:55,820
a series of community benefits that interact with

3848
05:25:55,820 --> 05:25:58,240
and obviously benefit at a local community.

3849
05:25:58,240 --> 05:26:04,980
So, firstly, we will be seeking to work with minority, women, and veteran-owned businesses

3850
05:26:05,500 --> 05:26:08,180
as much as we can within local community.

3851
05:26:10,020 --> 05:26:14,940
We heard from Mr. Cleary from Grid Alternatives, who's one of our partners, and we will

3852
05:26:14,940 --> 05:26:20,060
be doing workforce development trainings, developing a program with Grid to get people

3853
05:26:20,060 --> 05:26:24,020
from the community to actually learn these critical skills that are going to be forward right

3854
05:26:24,020 --> 05:26:24,760
going forward.

3855
05:26:24,760 --> 05:26:27,700
But they say every job is a climate job now, right?

3856
05:26:27,700 --> 05:26:32,720
So we need to actually get our young people to learn these skills and get them out into

3857
05:26:32,720 --> 05:26:38,400
the workforce, to help amplify and kind of have these ripple effects to bring sustainability

3858
05:26:38,400 --> 05:26:40,280
and climate impact to everywhere we can.

3859
05:26:41,120 --> 05:26:47,980
We also separately have a letter of support from the urban core of San Diego to do the landscape

3860
05:26:48,900 --> 05:26:53,260
development, and that, as you probably know, involves young people from the community helping

3861
05:26:53,260 --> 05:26:57,420
them, you know, putting them into this great chain program as well, and we want to, you know,

3862
05:26:57,500 --> 05:27:02,840
with all of this, have our community benefit manager, make sure that we are, you know,

3863
05:27:03,300 --> 05:27:08,280
continually having a sort of a bidirectional conversation with the community in the AB6IX-17

3864
05:27:08,280 --> 05:27:12,340
communities so that we can make sure we're doing these things in the right way and adjust if, you know,

3865
05:27:12,340 --> 05:27:14,740
there are things that we're not doing, there are things that we should start doing stuff

3866
05:27:14,740 --> 05:27:18,740
doing whatever it is. We want to make sure that we are constantly, you know, getting that feedback and

3867
05:27:18,740 --> 05:27:19,180
existing.

3868
05:27:21,380 --> 05:27:24,160
Additionally, regarding the microgrid that we will be building on the site, which

3869
05:27:24,160 --> 05:27:29,080
is supported with solar and battery storage, that can serve as a resilience hub for the

3870
05:27:29,080 --> 05:27:34,980
community in the event of one of the now infamous PSPSs, right? These are public safety

3871
05:27:34,980 --> 05:27:41,700
power shut-offs, where suddenly these power, or if there's climate-related disasters, or

3872
05:27:41,700 --> 05:27:47,080
emergency is going on, we can be a source for emergency personnel to do their staging and to

3873
05:27:47,080 --> 05:27:52,120
community and be a source of power for people in the community to come and charge their phones

3874
05:27:52,120 --> 05:27:56,640
or use their emergency radio as whatever it might be during those situations.

3875
05:27:58,900 --> 05:28:04,220
Finally, I wanted to say a couple of words about our STEM program as well, which we only mentioned

3876
05:28:04,220 --> 05:28:16,280
very briefly, but we have a portion of that $67.5,000 is set aside for either or a teacher,

3877
05:28:16,280 --> 05:28:21,540
externship programs, so to bring teachers and the local public school system in to learn about

3878
05:28:21,540 --> 05:28:25,860
these technologies and be able to then bring that to their students and help them understand

3879
05:28:25,860 --> 05:28:30,960
what is going on here and get prepared for the new reality that we are doing, which is

3880
05:28:30,960 --> 05:28:32,820
that every job is a climate job.

3881
05:28:33,980 --> 05:28:38,500
And we want to have an internship program for our school seniors to actually come onto the

3882
05:28:38,500 --> 05:28:44,600
site and get real world experience with what this is all about as well.

3883
05:28:44,600 --> 05:28:46,260
And then finally, sorry, one more thing.

3884
05:28:47,260 --> 05:28:50,420
In terms of the air purifiers that we mentioned very briefly,

3885
05:28:50,580 --> 05:28:54,240
so there's the pair program, and I understand

3886
05:28:54,240 --> 05:28:58,700
the pair program is that there are certain boundaries

3887
05:28:58,700 --> 05:29:01,900
of where that applies to, but there are people who are just

3888
05:29:01,900 --> 05:29:03,800
outside of those boundaries who will not, unfortunately,

3889
05:29:04,200 --> 05:29:06,260
be able to benefit from the funding in the pair program.

3890
05:29:06,300 --> 05:29:08,140
So what we're proposing to do is to actually

3891
05:29:08,140 --> 05:29:11,180
sort of boost the pair program and provide some of that funding

3892
05:29:11,180 --> 05:29:17,260
to bring air purifiers into the homes of residents who would not otherwise be able to get it through the pair program.

3893
05:29:19,610 --> 05:29:20,570
Thank you.

3894
05:29:21,230 --> 05:29:24,170
So first of all, I want to say I like both proposals.

3895
05:29:24,530 --> 05:29:27,590
I haven't made up my mind just throwing that out there.

3896
05:29:27,910 --> 05:29:30,430
I would like next time when it's in front of us,

3897
05:29:30,550 --> 05:29:33,590
maybe if we can get a little bit of a side-by-side comparison.

3898
05:29:34,090 --> 05:29:36,190
I'm sure you're probably going to do that anyways,

3899
05:29:36,450 --> 05:29:38,710
but I think it would be helpful for me.

3900
05:29:38,710 --> 05:29:44,070
I'm also interested in the phasing aspect of the project.

3901
05:29:44,950 --> 05:29:50,330
When both projects face go to phase two, I'd like to understand that a little bit more,

3902
05:29:50,670 --> 05:29:54,790
and I'd like to understand the trigger, and I'd like to understand a little bit more

3903
05:29:54,790 --> 05:29:58,770
of maybe the aspects of it that might provide more certainty.

3904
05:29:59,070 --> 05:29:59,970
I wasn't really...

3905
05:30:00,000 --> 05:30:08,280
Quite sure on the proposal exactly how certain you would be phasing into phase 2.

3906
05:30:09,020 --> 05:30:18,340
So, like to get a little bit more information about that. I also do think that I do like the fact the smaller side as opposed to the bigger site.

3907
05:30:19,620 --> 05:30:28,100
But, you know what, I'd like maybe get more information of the particular location of both sites and what surrounds it.

3908
05:30:28,100 --> 05:30:31,900
And so I'd like to get a little bit better understanding about that.

3909
05:30:32,040 --> 05:30:37,720
I also want to make sure to stress, to make sure that both companies would work with the

3910
05:30:37,720 --> 05:30:42,140
tenants that are already there, the tenant that's already there, to make sure that they're

3911
05:30:42,140 --> 05:30:46,140
not hampered with respect to what it is that they need to do on the site.

3912
05:30:46,740 --> 05:30:53,820
And then this idea of the trekking as a service, I'm not really sure if I quite understand

3913
05:30:53,820 --> 05:31:00,460
completely. And I'm wondering if the representative from HC could come up and explain a little bit more

3914
05:31:00,460 --> 05:31:08,060
because for me just being a layman, it seems like this trucking as a service, this idea would be a

3915
05:31:08,060 --> 05:31:16,000
good idea if the idea was to get people to sort of trade in their diesel trucks for an electric truck.

3916
05:31:16,080 --> 05:31:19,400
And so I guess I'm just trying to understand like what the concerns are.

3917
05:31:19,400 --> 05:31:21,440
Yeah, two minutes is not a lot of time.

3918
05:31:21,440 --> 05:31:22,020
Thank you.

3919
05:31:22,620 --> 05:31:22,680
Yeah.

3920
05:31:23,240 --> 05:31:23,500
Yeah.

3921
05:31:23,680 --> 05:31:31,660
So I agree with you that the trucking as a service is an opportunity to get past a lot of those hurdles.

3922
05:31:31,980 --> 05:31:43,420
I think that we're concerned about the lack of flexibility in that model is that you might be like in order to charge here you have to have a lease or

3923
05:31:43,420 --> 05:31:52,680
being a little too restrictive because there's a lot of small independent owner operator trucks

3924
05:31:52,680 --> 05:31:57,500
where the current truck that they own is like the biggest asset that they have for their

3925
05:31:57,500 --> 05:32:03,980
family and for their wealth generation. So it's more about us not having all of the details

3926
05:32:03,980 --> 05:32:10,000
knowing what and I'm sure that those are probably still in flux like what is the least term

3927
05:32:10,000 --> 05:32:11,420
how much is it going to cost?

3928
05:32:11,460 --> 05:32:17,080
What are they going to do with their current truck and how long are they going to be on the

3929
05:32:17,080 --> 05:32:17,220
lease?

3930
05:32:17,360 --> 05:32:20,040
Like we don't want them to be beholden to that lease.

3931
05:32:20,200 --> 05:32:27,360
So it's more about protecting the workers, protecting the truck operators, and giving flexibility

3932
05:32:27,360 --> 05:32:33,080
for the site to not be so rigid in that structure that that makes sense.

3933
05:32:33,100 --> 05:32:34,000
Yeah, I think it does.

3934
05:32:34,180 --> 05:32:34,960
I think I get that.

3935
05:32:34,960 --> 05:32:40,880
And so I think the idea is that if, in the long run, you're talking about encouraging people

3936
05:32:40,880 --> 05:32:47,120
to trade in their diesel because they get a good deal sort of speak on a electric truck,

3937
05:32:47,480 --> 05:32:52,780
that's something that would work, but you're concerned about what the details of the financing would be,

3938
05:32:52,980 --> 05:32:57,580
because that's something that would actually, in the long run, hurt these independent truckers.

3939
05:32:57,780 --> 05:33:03,780
Correct. It's about the details. The concept is great. Like we need to give more opportunities for people to make the switch.

3940
05:33:03,780 --> 05:33:09,760
it's my details. Okay, great. Thank you. So I think I think those are great questions and I think

3941
05:33:09,760 --> 05:33:14,900
next time we'd probably I'd like to see a little bit more detail about that. I think both sides

3942
05:33:14,900 --> 05:33:20,240
have somewhat of a version of that program and so I think understanding what that would involve

3943
05:33:20,240 --> 05:33:26,440
would be great because you know just looking at it as a layman like I am it just seems like a good

3944
05:33:26,440 --> 05:33:31,580
idea. If you can encourage people to come in and trade in their diesel trucks and drive off with

3945
05:33:31,580 --> 05:33:36,740
electric truck, you know, I think it sounds like a great idea, but again, I think it's the

3946
05:33:36,740 --> 05:33:42,060
detail that we probably need to see and what that involves. That's it for my questions.

3947
05:33:42,460 --> 05:33:48,680
Thank you. Thank you. Seeing no other commissioner would like to speak on make a few comments.

3948
05:33:50,420 --> 05:33:58,260
So I like them both, like certain things about each of them. Staff, thank you for all the work.

3949
05:33:58,260 --> 05:34:04,500
It's incredible that we're at or we're at considering where we were when we're developing the MCAS, and this is extremely

3950
05:34:05,900 --> 05:34:13,180
Promising it's exciting to hear from the Gaze-Zora representative that we're on the leading edge of the leading edge

3951
05:34:13,180 --> 05:34:19,940
But no pressure. He also said that the climate movement depends on the success of this project. So it makes me a little nervous

3952
05:34:21,320 --> 05:34:27,740
So with respect to the MCAS, our goals are that

3953
05:34:28,260 --> 05:34:34,340
Our truck trips, pork generated related truck trips that we have,

3954
05:34:34,700 --> 05:34:39,140
one of the goals again that by 20 to 26, it's a 40% reduction and then by 2020,

3955
05:34:40,780 --> 05:34:43,520
100%. 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20.

3956
05:34:43,820 --> 05:34:47,480
Sorry, super aggressive, right.

3957
05:34:48,500 --> 05:34:50,220
More aggressive than the state.

3958
05:34:51,340 --> 05:34:56,220
Another complication is that at National City, half of the trucks,

3959
05:34:56,620 --> 05:34:59,840
There is that right. Are you in the body trucks? Is that do I have that number right?

3960
05:35:00,000 --> 05:35:07,960
So, the state, the goal for electrification of those trucks, it's even later, because those trucks are specialty trucks.

3961
05:35:09,080 --> 05:35:21,180
So, if we're going to hit our goals or get near our goals, what's missing here is that we need more than just that these proposals are going to collaborate with our tenants.

3962
05:35:21,180 --> 05:35:26,680
There needs to be some sort of three-way deal that gets cut.

3963
05:35:27,620 --> 05:35:31,460
I think where those are customer contracts,

3964
05:35:32,080 --> 05:35:36,180
where there is privity where we know that our goals

3965
05:35:36,180 --> 05:35:38,700
are going to get advanced by this electric truck stop,

3966
05:35:38,720 --> 05:35:41,320
because otherwise we're going to have an electric truck stop

3967
05:35:42,000 --> 05:35:46,040
that may have opportunity charging.

3968
05:35:46,680 --> 05:35:48,540
It will have customer contract charging,

3969
05:35:48,540 --> 05:35:55,200
will have port serving truck priority charging, but what the the market's going to dictate that,

3970
05:35:55,200 --> 05:36:00,760
like what's getting used and where and when and how we need to make sure that this great

3971
05:36:01,800 --> 05:36:06,780
project that art tenants who have lots of truck trips and the good news is it's not a lot of trucks,

3972
05:36:06,980 --> 05:36:11,700
right? Phil, like we know that it's like a manageable universe of trucks. Problem is,

3973
05:36:14,060 --> 05:36:17,960
you know we had Mitsubishi for like 10 years trying to make a deal and they don't they

3974
05:36:17,960 --> 05:36:23,140
kept telling us we don't control the trucks. We don't control the trucks. I can't remember how

3975
05:36:23,140 --> 05:36:30,560
works with the old and then there's a patient. So great if you're able to get people into electric

3976
05:36:30,560 --> 05:36:38,520
trucks and then they're going everywhere else but they're not servicing our port and helping us meet

3977
05:36:38,520 --> 05:36:43,840
our goals. That's a problem. I mean we can have you could have a really successful great electric

3978
05:36:43,840 --> 05:36:48,200
truck stop and we might be making a lot of money off of it, but if it's not helping clean

3979
05:36:48,200 --> 05:36:53,820
up the air in our poor type communities or then that's what that's the problem that

3980
05:36:53,820 --> 05:36:59,800
we are trying to solve. So I'm just going to put that out there. It's you all are a lot

3981
05:36:59,800 --> 05:37:05,060
smarter than me of on this stuff. It's a lot of stuff. But that's what I'm interested in.

3982
05:37:05,320 --> 05:37:09,540
That's the problem that I'm interested in solving is how do we meet those goals? And

3983
05:37:09,540 --> 05:37:12,780
So if there's not some there there on that, or I feel comfortable,

3984
05:37:14,860 --> 05:37:16,040
I'm not going to be skeptical.

3985
05:37:17,160 --> 05:37:18,580
So that's really important.

3986
05:37:19,060 --> 05:37:24,200
Seems like the time to make three way deals with tendencies like now, if it can be done.

3987
05:37:24,340 --> 05:37:25,340
I don't know if it can be done.

3988
05:37:25,460 --> 05:37:26,320
There's a lot of challenges.

3989
05:37:27,820 --> 05:37:36,400
I agree with the phasing and the size considering so much that's in flux, what we don't

3990
05:37:36,400 --> 05:37:44,800
want to do is give away land unnecessarily what I typically see as the real estate development

3991
05:37:44,800 --> 05:37:51,960
attorneys you get to take down pieces if conditions are met where everybody's the projects

3992
05:37:51,960 --> 05:37:57,940
working the way it's supposed to work and then okay you can have more. This seems like a type

3993
05:37:57,940 --> 05:38:02,140
of project where it would be sort of well suited for that because of the type of infrastructure

3994
05:38:02,140 --> 05:38:07,680
your building, it's not like you need it all at once to, I don't think, I mean, you're putting

3995
05:38:07,680 --> 05:38:12,800
in charging infrastructure. It seems that that can be deployed in phases. That seems like

3996
05:38:12,800 --> 05:38:16,960
the phase abilities is good. I don't know. I'm not the next part in this industry.

3997
05:38:19,080 --> 05:38:20,380
But I think

3998
05:38:20,380 --> 05:38:28,700
we're the landowner, the public, the people of California landowner, we manage it. But I also

3999
05:38:28,700 --> 05:38:36,460
Don't feel great about a tenant leasing back to a maritime tenant like we're in the real estate business

4000
05:38:37,740 --> 05:38:39,840
They shouldn't be trading on

4001
05:38:39,840 --> 05:38:46,480
The public land and then the truck gain as a service. I agree that what are the details of that?

4002
05:38:47,440 --> 05:38:52,360
My dad was a trucker. I remember when he bought his first truck. I was in the sixth grade

4003
05:38:52,360 --> 05:38:57,540
There was a potato farm where I grew up in in the fall. They did the harvest and

4004
05:38:57,540 --> 05:39:07,620
And my dad borrowed money from all the relatives to buy this dump truck in buy a potato bed and

4005
05:39:07,620 --> 05:39:11,340
Did the potato run which was like six weeks or something and

4006
05:39:12,300 --> 05:39:16,260
He made more money in six weeks and he made all year working for someone else, right?

4007
05:39:16,800 --> 05:39:24,380
So I get it like this is a big deal these independent truckers, but what I think the concern is kind of

4008
05:39:24,380 --> 05:39:26,340
Like are they gonna be indentured

4009
05:39:26,340 --> 05:39:33,520
you know, yeah, with respect to the obligations, so it needs to be fair, right?

4010
05:39:34,300 --> 05:39:40,120
We don't want to hear complaints that, hey, we got bamboozled and now we're like, can't get out of this deal,

4011
05:39:41,940 --> 05:39:46,380
so I'll want to know that that's not going to happen, right?

4012
05:39:46,820 --> 05:39:52,900
So those are just some three issues that I care about.

4013
05:39:52,900 --> 05:39:59,980
I think that we need to get this right, and I think...

4014
05:40:00,000 --> 05:40:06,480
Our stakeholders who know EHC, we're working in good faith to meet our MCAS goals. I think we've put

4015
05:40:06,480 --> 05:40:11,880
our money where a mouth is that even if it takes a little more time to make sure that this project

4016
05:40:11,880 --> 05:40:19,260
is right and helps us achieve those goals, then we should move cautiously and carefully because

4017
05:40:19,260 --> 05:40:27,680
the climate movement depends on the success of this project, apparently. So anyway, so let's proceed

4018
05:40:27,680 --> 05:40:31,260
with caution and a lot of due diligence.

4019
05:40:32,560 --> 05:40:34,440
So those are my comments.

4020
05:40:36,180 --> 05:40:37,300
Yes, sure.

4021
05:40:41,190 --> 05:40:46,630
Thank you very much to the Board and this opportunity to all of you, Ega Hallberg,

4022
05:40:46,830 --> 05:40:49,010
Vice President of Partnerships for Gage Zero.

4023
05:40:49,330 --> 05:40:52,090
I just wanted to comment very quickly on two points that you had made.

4024
05:40:52,750 --> 05:40:57,990
The challenge that you just expressed for ports and being able to work with their tenants,

4025
05:40:57,990 --> 05:41:04,010
but also the trucking companies that provide services to those tenants is a challenge across the board.

4026
05:41:04,350 --> 05:41:10,510
And what those, the ports and the tenants are struggling with is the scope three emissions, right?

4027
05:41:10,510 --> 05:41:16,030
And that is the challenge across the board and it is the trucking community that we have to engage with.

4028
05:41:16,070 --> 05:41:21,930
And that is my job. Every single day my job is to speak with the trucking providers, the trucking companies,

4029
05:41:21,930 --> 05:41:26,550
whether those are the jack-oes that have 10 trucks or those are

4030
05:41:26,550 --> 05:41:30,550
patients that have thousands of trucks on the roads and other big companies like

4031
05:41:30,550 --> 05:41:38,370
that. We were provided by the poor with a list of the most, I would say, the

4032
05:41:38,370 --> 05:41:42,650
tracking companies that frequent the poor, the most, and have started approaching each

4033
05:41:42,650 --> 05:41:46,210
and every single one of those. Not every single one of them is going to need

4034
05:41:46,210 --> 05:41:50,350
tracking as a service. Striking as service is an offer to help finance those

4035
05:41:50,350 --> 05:41:55,410
trucks in a case is where these small companies can't take advantage of, for an example,

4036
05:41:55,690 --> 05:42:00,330
some of these, you know, these trucks cost two to three times, sometimes more of a traditional

4037
05:42:00,330 --> 05:42:01,510
diesel truck.

4038
05:42:02,010 --> 05:42:04,790
So, it's a service offering to those that need it.

4039
05:42:04,870 --> 05:42:07,150
Patients probably not going to need truckings of service.

4040
05:42:07,330 --> 05:42:11,330
Night Swift is not going to need it, the Calisters isn't going to need it.

4041
05:42:11,490 --> 05:42:15,230
But some of the other smaller providers are going to need it, and that's all we're trying

4042
05:42:15,230 --> 05:42:20,110
to do, and those of us that are in this business is helping to provide services to get

4043
05:42:20,110 --> 05:42:24,110
the smaller service providers that have five trucks,

4044
05:42:24,150 --> 05:42:27,710
10 trucks, 15 trucks, and ability to get into them

4045
05:42:27,710 --> 05:42:29,290
with a monthly fee.

4046
05:42:29,410 --> 05:42:33,030
And that's really all it is as a program, a service

4047
05:42:33,030 --> 05:42:36,750
that we're offering, that we can start to transition

4048
05:42:36,750 --> 05:42:38,410
that industry so they are successful.

4049
05:42:38,930 --> 05:42:41,390
But each and every single one of us here are intentional

4050
05:42:41,390 --> 05:42:44,250
to get as many diesel trucks off the road,

4051
05:42:44,310 --> 05:42:45,990
and we're trying to provide the services

4052
05:42:45,990 --> 05:42:47,290
in order to be able to do that.

4053
05:42:47,290 --> 05:42:47,910
Thank you very much.

4054
05:42:47,910 --> 05:42:49,070
Thank you.

4055
05:42:49,830 --> 05:42:50,790
Thank you.

4056
05:42:52,250 --> 05:42:57,250
I associate myself with all of the priorities that have been identified by the other commissioners.

4057
05:42:57,790 --> 05:43:00,770
I do want to just take a second to just applaud the staff.

4058
05:43:01,330 --> 05:43:06,810
Initially I was very much opposed to us putting something else in national city.

4059
05:43:07,770 --> 05:43:11,910
I think the perception has been that it's been kind of a dumping ground.

4060
05:43:12,570 --> 05:43:16,070
But I appreciate the openness and transparency of the process

4061
05:43:16,070 --> 05:43:23,330
and the way that the community has been engaged to take part in it because I was very surprised when I talked and they were like, yeah, we're all on board.

4062
05:43:23,450 --> 05:43:31,530
We're excited about it. You know, and so hearing the response from the community that they were receptive to this, you know, just just meant so much.

4063
05:43:31,610 --> 05:43:38,990
And I think you guys have just executed a really just open process that has been so inclusive and incorporated a lot of different voices.

4064
05:43:38,990 --> 05:43:44,570
I appreciate what the gentleman from Gage Zero said about the significance of this project.

4065
05:43:45,250 --> 05:43:49,870
When I think about the, you know, port of San Diego, we are President setting for it.

4066
05:43:50,310 --> 05:43:53,090
And the significance of this project is great.

4067
05:43:53,230 --> 05:44:00,590
And the success, what we model for the rest of, you know, the state and the nation with this project is important.

4068
05:44:00,590 --> 05:44:06,270
And so I think you did, you know, you didn't overstate the significance of it, and I appreciate

4069
05:44:06,270 --> 05:44:12,430
the enthusiasm from both proposals, because I really believe that the passion and just

4070
05:44:12,430 --> 05:44:15,950
the detail that you brought to your proposals indicates that we will be successful.

4071
05:44:17,790 --> 05:44:19,070
Thank you, Commissioner Moore.

4072
05:44:21,030 --> 05:44:23,350
I think you've got the direction that you need.

4073
05:44:23,390 --> 05:44:26,250
Do you have any questions about anything from the commission?

4074
05:44:28,660 --> 05:44:28,880
No?

4075
05:44:31,510 --> 05:44:33,050
Are you with one of the proposals?

4076
05:44:34,510 --> 05:44:35,390
Sure.

4077
05:44:36,150 --> 05:44:37,030
Why not?

4078
05:44:38,930 --> 05:44:41,070
It's just a wits, it's just a wits.

4079
05:45:02,680 --> 05:45:14,680
The structure that is needed to charge the Tesla Sen. If they are indeed, the moment standard is, I believe, one, I don't want

4080
05:45:14,680 --> 05:45:21,280
to have one, I'm not six, I don't want it, but it's quite a bit higher than any current project.

4081
05:45:22,040 --> 05:45:29,600
I'm just wondering if we could call the volts of being built around that structure for the current charges.

4082
05:45:30,860 --> 05:45:34,820
So I think we could put something in there.

4083
05:45:35,460 --> 05:45:36,740
Thank you.

4084
05:45:36,800 --> 05:45:38,460
I can answer that.

4085
05:45:38,460 --> 05:45:39,840
Maggie Weber for the record.

4086
05:45:40,640 --> 05:45:43,980
And I haven't discussed this with any of the proposals yet.

4087
05:45:44,440 --> 05:45:50,460
But staff was thinking writing into the agreement that the best available charging technology.

4088
05:45:50,460 --> 05:45:54,240
should be utilized for each phase.

4089
05:45:54,800 --> 05:45:56,860
This was in part of my formal comments,

4090
05:45:57,000 --> 05:46:01,220
but some of the sizes of the charging pedestals

4091
05:46:01,220 --> 05:46:03,880
that were proposed were a bit smaller

4092
05:46:03,880 --> 05:46:05,680
and not the best available technology.

4093
05:46:06,520 --> 05:46:08,460
And we want the best available technology.

4094
05:46:08,640 --> 05:46:11,040
So that'll be something that's negotiated.

4095
05:46:11,840 --> 05:46:12,700
Thank you.

4096
05:46:13,240 --> 05:46:15,600
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for the questions, sir.

4097
05:46:16,600 --> 05:46:18,600
Jason, perhaps I'll just add one more thing,

4098
05:46:18,600 --> 05:46:23,740
So Jason Giffin, so thanks so much to the board for all of your collective feedback to staff

4099
05:46:23,740 --> 05:46:24,500
and proposals.

4100
05:46:25,080 --> 05:46:29,160
So it was acknowledged a little bit earlier that this has been an iterative process and we've

4101
05:46:29,160 --> 05:46:32,440
got some good feedback both the proposals at feedback as well as us.

4102
05:46:32,900 --> 05:46:37,360
We've had this slide up here for a long time, next steps that we anticipate.

4103
05:46:38,020 --> 05:46:42,660
Based on today's meeting, the next steps, the proposal will take this information very

4104
05:46:42,660 --> 05:46:44,940
likely go back, make some revisions.

4105
05:46:44,940 --> 05:46:50,260
I would just at this point say we've had this place holder up there related to February.

4106
05:46:50,980 --> 05:46:56,860
I would just kind of ask you to indulge and give this stuff some flexibility in terms of how we respond to that.

4107
05:46:57,360 --> 05:47:07,420
Especially in light of some of the questions and comments we received based on interest in having some comparative information related to the proposals related to phasing.

4108
05:47:07,420 --> 05:47:14,920
I don't think we're necessarily prepared today to say what that schedule would be, but just give us a little bit of flexibility on.

4109
05:47:14,960 --> 05:47:18,620
What the next step is, after that December's submittal.

4110
05:47:20,260 --> 05:47:22,180
That's good with me.

4111
05:47:22,240 --> 05:47:22,440
Yeah.

4112
05:47:23,720 --> 05:47:24,220
Okay.

4113
05:47:24,740 --> 05:47:30,080
I will even say, you know, it's up to staff, but there's been a lot that's been brought out here today.

4114
05:47:30,200 --> 05:47:37,240
And even if you need past the December deadline for these companies in order to get a quality submittal,

4115
05:47:37,240 --> 05:47:43,020
You know, it's purely up to you, you know, the time you need, you know, I'm sure you're going to be talking to each

4116
05:47:43,020 --> 05:47:53,260
Forposer and getting feedback from them. So, you know, I think our interest is we just want, you know, we want to see the best proposals come back, you know.

4117
05:47:54,080 --> 05:47:54,340
Thank you.

4118
05:47:55,020 --> 05:47:57,330
All right. Thank you.

4119
05:47:58,060 --> 05:48:06,180
We'll move on to our last item, which is review and consideration of the draft proposed board agenda for the December 5th, 2023 meeting.

4120
05:48:06,180 --> 05:48:11,060
do I have a motion and a second on those on that?

4121
05:48:15,080 --> 05:48:16,740
Thank you please vote.

4122
05:48:20,970 --> 05:48:25,330
Motion passed unanimously with commissioners who kept in her task and excused.

4123
05:48:36,490 --> 05:48:39,150
Oh and the meeting is adjourned.