>> good evening.
welcome to the thursday august 27,
2026 regular city college of san
francisco board of trustees
meeting, we are back and ready to
rumble, we have a packed agenda
today, so we'll jump right into it,
welcome.
can we please take roll?
>> sure.
we have student trustee wong?
>> present.
>> president chisti?
>> present.
>> trustee chung?
>> present.
>> trustee ferguson?
>> present.
>> trustee martinez?
>> here.
>> trustee mccarty, not here yet.
trustee solomon?
>> here.
>> vice-president zamora?
>> here.
>> you have a quorum, president chisti.
>> for the record, it was at 5:05, I
convened the meeting.
I'm going to turn it over to student
trustee wong to help with the land
acknowledgment statement.
>> "we acknowledge that we are on the
unceded ancestral homeland of the
ramaytush ohlone who are the original
inhabitants of the san francisco
peninsula, as the indigenous stewards
of this land and in accordance with
their traditions, the ramaytush ohlone
have never ceded, lost nor forgotten
their responsibilities as the
caretakers of this place, as well as
for all peoples who reside in their
traditional territory, as guests, we
recognize that we benefit from living
and working on their traditional
homeland, we wish to pay our respects
by acknowledging the ancestors, elders
and relatives of the ramaytush
community and by affirming their
sovereign rights as first peoples."
>> thank you so much.
okay.
before I ask my colleagues for a
motion to adjourn to closed session, I
would like to call public comment on
the closed session agenda which is 1a,
2a, 3a, 5a, 6a1.
any public comment?
>> there's no public comment on the
closed session agenda.
>> wonderful, colleagues, can I have a
motion to adjourn to closed session?
>> so moved.
>> moved by v.p. Zamora.
>> seconded.
>> seconded by trustee ferguson.
seeing no further discussion, could we
please take roll.
>> student trustee campos -- I mean wong?
>> aye.
>> sorry, you just resemble her.
trustee chisti?
>> aye.
>> can I have some information,
president chisti, is this what it
looks like on the website because it
doesn't list any of the agenda items?
>> when you can click on the link.
>> aye.
>> thank you.
>> trustee ferguson?
>> aye.
>> trustee martinez?
>> yes.
>> trustee mccarty, not quite here yet.
trustee solomon?
>> yes.
>> vice-president zamora?
>> aye.
>> thank you.
motion passes.
>> alright, it is passed without
objection, we are estimating we are
adjourned to closed session with an
estimated return time with an
ambitious 7 p.m., thank you very much.
(meeting adjourned to closed session).
>> okay, I am reconvening the board
from closed seg at 8:14 p.m. Moving
along to reportable actions taken in
closed session.
before we do that, we know the closed
session ran a bit long, thank you to
the members of the public for your
patience as we conferred over several
items in closed session.
there were reportable actions taken in
closed session and I will read three
reportable actions that were taken.
the first is the board voted to amend
the chancellor's contract to allow for
a rolling three year contract based on
a satisfactory evaluation from the
board, the vote was 5 in favor and 2
against.
the second item is in the matter of
anymore versus ccsf, the board
unanimously voted in favor of
approving the segment agreement.
and the third reportable action is in
the matter of e. Reyes v. Ccsf,
the board voted unanimously in
approving the settlement agreement.
I'm going to move us along to the
next item which is the notice of
decorum, our meeting will be in
accordance to bp1.12 and make sure
that we maintain decorum at our board
meeting.
we're going to go to the next item
which is public comment for items no
on the agenda.
mr. Shimanski, do we have any public
comment not on the agenda?
>> we do, we have a total of 11 this
evening.
>> if you can call three at a time
and members of the public, if you
could be close to the microphone or be
ready when you hear your name so we
can keep the pace.
>> salute.
first is james a. Bryant.
mr. Bryant, when you step to the
podium, please be sure to turn on
the mic.
>> if you could please turn on your
mic., and then let's go ahead and
start the clock, thank you.
>> thank you, this is a certificate of
completion for construction management
protocol classes here at city college.
I wanted to first of all let you know
this group of gentlemen and this lady
were from the bayview hunter's point.
we have one college that represents us
at city college and that's the evans
campus, that is currently being
reconstructed.
on tuesday, the three of us and this
young man, the four of us plus one
other gentleman went to the campus
because we obviously see there's
construction going on.
these gentlemen are all contractors.
they are not getting any work from
city college, not only out here where
we see that city college is doing a
lot of great things in developing and
building but in the heart of where we
live in hunter's point, there is no --
not one person that is part of that
construction that is of the sense of
home owners and taxpayers and business
conductors in this city at bayview
hunter's point and we are -- so, we
approached the contractor and we asked
one thing, we said, could we have your
card because we would like to find out
if we could be part of any development
that you do because we have plumbers,
we have construction crews and we have
painters, we have all kinds of
individuals that obviously need to be
part of an opportunity.
>> we will have to --
>> I hear your thing but I want to
finish, okay.
this is a college that I've been part
of.
>> I'm sorry, your time is up, if you
could please wrap up your points, your
time is up.
>> can I give him my minutes?
>> he can have mine.
>> so, thank you.
>> if you would like to sign up
separately for public comment --
>> there are two public comments --
shawn, can you pause the bell,
please, there are two public comments
that are in reference to this, the
other one I believe is demetrius
williams.
>> and alphonso.
>> yes, we have all written letters
to the chancellor.
so, I ask for your appreciation on
that, I'm a 70 year-old gentleman that
may not be as fast as some of you
youngsters, so I'm going to be
articulate and take my time and not be
looking like a fool, okay.
I spent a lot of years here at this
college.
if you don't know me, I'm james
bryant, in 1998, I closed this college
down on strike, all nine campuses.
I am the representative formally of
seiu790 and here as a proud number,
not only am I a graduate here, I'm
also a former police officer.
so I'm very respective with whoever we
work with, so when we met with you all
with the staff that was at the
college, the contractor, they called
us thugs.
we don't deserve that, not one of us
deserve that.
what we do deserve is to have an
opportunity to be part of the build
of this college because we all have
spent many years in making san
francisco better and we hope that we
can have a relationship with this
great school, I call it great because
as a kid grew up in the university
michigan in ann arbor, michigan, city
college of san francisco was always
the heart of me as a kid because it
was the biggest city college in the
history of the state of california
and you have to respect that if you
don't, I just waned to tell you that.
we're all here, we want an
opportunity and we need you all board
members to help support us.
anything else?
>> good afternoon, thank you, guys,
for having us.
>> we really do need to wrap it up.
>> are there three speakers?
>> I only have two speakers.
>> I was the third one.
>> okay.
>> he got my minutes.
>> okay, sorry, we have to follow
protocol for public comment, so my
understanding is that can -- so, let's
go ahead and -- I think I'm -- maybe
if I could take this public comment or
are you allocating your time to this
person here?
>> yes.
>> okay, so that's what we're going to
do, so go ahead.
>> good afternoon, thank you, and I
appreciate you guys time.
my name is demetrius williams, the
building local trades collective, we
are basically a variety of contractors
out of bayview district 10.
on august 25, we went over to your
ccsf campus and was addressed as thugs
like james bryant said, told to get
out of our neighbor, off of our campus
by giant construction.
we felt hue militated in our own
backyard, we felt like we didn't
belong and we are from bayview
hunter's point, we reside there, we
bank there, our contracting companies
are in bayview hunter's point, we meet
everybody tuesday 8 a.m. At the 1450
evans campus at bayview hunter's point.
our whole reason for being here is not
to try to shut down the campus which
we almost did, we want to try to get
some type of help from this board to
let the giant construction know that
it's not okay to look at nobody's
nationality and consider them to be
nothing other than community
contractors.
I wouldn't put nobody down in here, I
would lift everybody up.
if it wasn't the right way to do it,
we should have been told the proper
procedures on how to get contractors,
not to be labeled at or looked at and
then be called the police upon to make
us feel like we were going something
illegal or long, all we were doing is
coming to just speak to get
information and speak to them and
figure out how did you -- brother rose
and myself did a job walk over at the
ccsf campus and didn't hear anything
back about our bids, we just want to
do business, we don't want to be no
burden and we want to be looked at.
>> that was four months --
>> one second, in terms of protocol,
there are four of you, so, but there's
four people that would like to provide
public comment or --
>> can I say something, I put in an
e-mail, have you gotten a copy of
it, I put in an e-mail in april 19
to inquire like who won the contract
and all that, so I didn't get a
response back until four months later
and then once you guys gave me the
information, we went over there
just to get a business card.
and they was from out of oakland, all
we asked for was just a business card
and that was a problem so, we're just
bringing to you guys, hopefully you
guys can do something about it bah
we're trying to go about it the right
way.
if you don't do nothing about it, we
have to do something about it as far
as shutting the job down as far as
following the right protocol.
>>.if you want to provide further
comments, you can submit it.
>> can we continue?
>> leslie smith is next followed by
crystal luis followed by evangela
brewster.
>> good evening, I really hope that
everyone is focused on the concept of
ccsf having a structural deficit.
that has never happened before.
what is that?
that means that your revenues are less
than your expenditures.
and the only way to resolve that is to
make a policy change.
there's only one policy change that
will solve the problem and that is
enrollment growth.
so, what's city college doing about
that?
well, it's starting an educational
strategic plan this fall.
and the hearings will begin and the
work group will begin on monday.
so, we need to make sure that that
strategic plan addresses this massive
failure to the people of san francisco
and we -- and to the state.
this is a state institution.
we need to make sure that we're
serving every single zip code, that
we're serving the students when they
want to be served.
I hear that weekends and evening
classes just aren't available.
we need to document and we need to
change how we work.
we need the rebuild all of our
facilities.
we went out for a bind, we got 155
million dollars, why is alemany closed?
why is downtown closed?
you have so many students needing
classes.
there's a lot of work to be done, you
have a strategic plan, use it.
>> thank you, leslie.
crystal luis?
>> my name is crystal luis, an esl
faculty member and an esl coordinator,
prior to scheduling ceasing a
downtown, there was not a publicly
available steady of
scheduling, attendance, staffing,
resources, operational hours, deferred
maintenance, grant expenditures and
compliance and equitable access at
downtown or similar studies at other
district locations.
the chancellor has identified the
facilities and educational strategic
task force for this sort of research
yet there have been no agenda or
meetings open to public comment as of
yet.
meanwhile the academic senate has
unanimously approved a resolution
calling for a process through the
participatory governance process.
processes for the outcome of downtown
have not yet been put into action.
the decision to cease scheduling
at downtown was made without the
research participatory governance
process, deliberation and alternate
plans needed to inform such a decision.
additionally, the district amassed a
27 million dollar surplus in one year
as it collected hold harmless funding
while curtailing growth of needed
classes.
by sitting on a budget surplus and
shuttering buildings at city college
programs, we are not meeting the needs
of students, not fulfilling our
mission and not acknowledging the will
of san francisco voters.
I'm requesting that downtown be
included on upcoming board agenda
regularly and immediately with
discussion from administering impacted
groups with transparent and timely
posting of documents and
research.
thank you for your time.
>> thank you, crystal.
next is evangela brewster, she's not
online, I'm going to move on to derek
lack, followed by rosario followed by
michael medina-snider.
>> hello.
good evening, board of trustees, my
name is derrick, I work in the mayor's
office, I'm also deeply involved with
connie chang running for congress and
technically I don't get paid.
if you really want to get into
technical detail, I work as a
temporary staffer, it's minimum
wage for the chase center so I'll be
representing levi stadium and sofi as
well, there's so much information to
talk about here, the first minute, I
told you what I did and the last
minute, I want to tell you my history
on what my association of city college
and going forward, of course I will be
making a major grant on behalf of the
mayor for the city college, so madam
mueller and I are very close
associates, she's the first person to
work in the arts department and james
mcfadden is the second person.
I volunteered to teach as a piano
teaching assistant for james mcfadden
for 2004 to 2006 and I'm a student of
david yee but he forgot about that.
I'm also a student of lawrence
forever, he passed away last year, I'm
disheartened that lawrence passed
away, his teaching really influenced
me especially that he's gone, I'm
planning to come back more and more
and you'll get to know who I am and
what I'll be doing for the future of
city college.
thank you.
>> thank you very much, derrick.
rosario, she is online.
>> hello, can you hear me?
>> yes.
hi, thank you for taking the time to
hear from child development and family
studies.
I wanted to encourage that steps be
taken for clear and consistent
communication around the construction.
of course we are excited to have
construction happening but our child
care spaces have been greatly impacted.
both the sealed classroom child care
observation room at ocean campus and
the one at jo john adams have had an
extreme amount of dust requiring extra
time from faculty to clean up.
ocean, you already know about the
parking fiasco there.
at john adams, faculty tried to find
out when they could get into their
classroom to clean it up and fix it
up, for those of you don't know, our
child observations classes have
children crawling on the floor,
putting things in their mouths.
they didn't get any response to know
when she could go and clean up.
she had to take a day off to go in
person and the dean did give her some
information.
she wasn't able to get enough time to
go in there to clean and had to draft
or volunteer her son to go in and they
spent a couple of days cleaning the
place so the saw dust and the dust
could be removed so the room could be
ready for the children.
additionally the space at john adams
lost our parking.
we've always had dedicated parking for
their families who have to come in
with strollers and who have to unload
things.
the faculty usually have to unload
things for the classroom.
we have always had parking there with
signs posted and on the ground and on
the side of the building.
we would like to request that those
parking spots dedicated for the child
care space be returned and that the
construction company do everything
possible to close up the windows,
perhaps glue or put something on that
so the dust doesn't come in.
it's really created a workload for the
faculty.
thank you.
>> thank you very much, rosario.
next is michael medina smiled followed
by michael adams and lastly is lydia
hernandez.
>> I have a good report to say
tonight on the student health center.
I love to talk about it.
tonight I would like to recognize the
important milestone for city college
of san francisco, the 20th anniversary
of student health which opened on
august 18, 2006.
but there's more to the story of
student health and where it began.
the original student health center was
a single room in the basement of the
science room or building.
essentially a first station staffed by
a part time registered nurse.
as the needs of our students grew,
student health moved into the
bungalows where nurse asks counselors
cared for students often with limited
space and resources.
one person who refused to accept this
was our former dean and my hero and
mentor assistant dean sonny clark
which I think most of you know.
sonny understood ccsf deserved more than
basic first aid, she envisioned a
comprehensive college where students
could receive critical mental health
services here on campus.
she advocated for that vision and
attended facility meetings, documented
deteriorating bungalows, advocated for
clinical services and staffing and
continued to push until the dream of
the new facility became reality.
sonny didn't advocate for the build,
she helped envision, design and fight
for it.
she watched the construction rise from
ground to remain involved through the
entire process.
as this building became possible
because of others believing in the
vision too, I want to recognize the
voters of san francisco whose approval
of the 2001 educational facilities
improvement bond made that possible.
I want to recognize councilwoman nancy
pelosi who helped secure funding for
the equipment.
at the dedication, she said the
students at city college of san
francisco are our future leaders.
20 years later, those words still
describe the purpose of this building,
today the student health center
provides medical care, mental health,
preventive immunization care,
education cal and clinical health care.
it provides a place where students can
come -- I had to wait for you for two
hours here.
they simply need someone to help them,
the work didn't stop there and it
continues ongoing.
I want to say that we had to wait
three hours for you all tonight and as
constituent leaders as well as the
public, we shouldn't have to wait for
that, there was an hour promised to
you us and we went back to the old
ways of things and this is an
appropriate way to conduct a meeting.
>> thank you, michael.
michael adams, please.
michael adams will be followed by
lydia hernandez.
>> thank you, hello, everyone.
I apologize, I didn't make enough
copies but I'm going to hand these
around and hope you can work out
copying what you need.
I'm coming as a licensed airplane
pilot and I'm wearing a hat that is
dedicated to the mechanics would work
on airplanes that we fly and that we
hope and pray have done their work in
order for us to have safe landings.
I'm sure you all have heard about the
shortage of aircraft mechanics in our
country and especially in the high
risk aviation environments like the
bay area, one of the highest risk
rated places in the world.
and the fact that we are short of
aircraft mechanics while the aircraft
mechanic program at city college is
shut down temporarily as we see on the
catalogue and that there are waist
waiting lists and the college in
alameda is full to the brim and that
has to turn people away, at least
thee running classes and awaiting this
is hopeful as opposed to folks here
who see that message on the website
that says until further notice,
classes are closed.
we don't know what's really behind it.
what I sent you around are two stories
I offer as not in the imagination
about what could happen but as a
report of what did happen to me.
I had to land an airplane in the fog
on the hillside among cows and pigs
and trees and it was because of the
mechanics that that airplane behaved
properly so I could get down and come
here and visit with you.
the other story is you'll see the
other picture of a plane upside down
which got that way because a mechanic
left off a hair pin piece the size of
a hair pin because the throttle broke
and the airplane had to make a landing
and flipped over, fortunately nobody
perished.
>> thank you, michael.
>> thank you for listening and please
look at the information, these are
real stories about what could happen
and what did happen.
>> thank you, lydia hernandez.
>> good evening, broader of trustees,
my name is lydia hernandez and I'm
serving as the mission campus
associated students president, I come
here tonight to speak with you about
the gaining lack of resources and
class spaces for our vulnerable
neighborhood centers that have a deep
equity crisis tied to how this college
has treated this population.
for years we've watched as a troubling
historical pattern, our budgets are
reorganized, our non-credit students
are the first to be displaced.
they are given promises they will have
enough classes, they were given
promises of clipper cards, of shuttle,
they're given promises of counseling
and it's not happening, there's half
day counseling, no counseling, there's
half day child care.
there is not the support services at
all that ocean campus has and these
are a population that need more
support, that's equity.
we know that is equity, we know
these are students that are struggling
and this college has been treating
them like pawns on a chess board
thinking they can move them
around and it's an open door for a
student is not the same as it is not
the same as a place of education where
they can thrive and have community.
we saw in downtown they had community,
I know john adams had that community
and we have time and time again left
these students without the support
that they need and I'm telling you,
they're not having the classes, they
are not having the support, they're
jammed 75 students in a class, 45
students in a class without desks and
they're still coming, okay.
but guess what, then we wonder why
doesn't enrollment go up, guess what,
it's not fun when you have to deal with
that and they're not getting the
support and they don't have the
services at all.
>> thank you, lydia.
that concludes public comment,
president chisti?
>> alright, public comment on items
not on the agenda is now closed.
I'm going to move us along which I
believe is to the constituent reports.
starting with our -- go ahead, if you
could please call the first item.
>> 5a is the student chancellor's
report.
this is sofia flores-guevara, she's be
joining us remotely, I believe, sofia?
>> hello, yes, good evening.
my name is sofia flores-guevara, I am
pleased to be with you guys here today.
I apologize for being on the road at
the moment, but I didn't know when you
guys were going to come back.
some of the reports consist of -- one
second -- so, emphasizing on what ms.
lydia has spoken on, marginalized
communities at our mission and
chinatown and john adams campuses
struggling with tech and language
barriers and it affecting their
enrollment or registration status, we
need to fix this, who can I talk to as
to who we're already in the second
week of school.
as well as them needing basic needs
covered, but limited access to
resources in comparison to ocean and
as I've talked to some of these
students, basic things as snacks or
access to calworks or tampons for
women.
second report, lab a budget was not
announced.
when, why, who did this and how?
students had no knowledge, is this
because they were trying to create a
union is one of the questions that was
arise.
I did want to announce that tomorrow
we have a meeting, our first executive
council meeting at 1 p.m., it will be
in the room 2101 in the student
success building, please
join us so we can make these decisions
and, you know, the other thing that's
being mentioned is that students are
losing their financial aid because
they have 120 units and are getting
cut off because they're maxed out.
so my question is what -- can there be
a solution and if so, what is it?
lastly, this is before last, my
apologies, the new ccsf app is not
working and it's supposed to be
simpler to use but too basic because
we can't really do much on it and as
we're trying to register and have all
these other financial problems and
tech problems, there's the enrollment
issue, right.
so, instead of it being more
supportive, it's kind of hurting our
situation because it's a software
issue, right.
lastly is the native american class
doesn't count for transfer and we're
trying to create a department, we
already have a club in place, you
know, we have a land acknowledgment
for each and every meeting but no
department and we want to see that our
uniters count towards something.
that's it, sorry, tried to keep it
very short.
>> thank you very much, student
chancellor guevara, we'll move on to
5b which is the student trustee
report, this is student trustee ian
wong.
>> good evening, as we begin the fall
semester, I've been getting our
executive council's meetings up and
running, this friday will be the first
meeting this semester and I'm looking
forward to bringing our student
leaders together and getting started
on the work ahead of us.
a couple of weeks a I also had the
opportunity to attend the student
trustee convention in burlingame, that
was a great experience meeting other
trustees across california, hearing
about the issues they are facing and
hearing how different colleges
approach different advocacy.
I had an opportunity to speak with the
leaders of the california league, as a
quick update on the free city college
committee, I attended the committee
meeting last week, while funding has
been secured for this year, the
committee will continue working to
ensure that future students have
access to the same funding and
opportunities.
on the student side, multiple students
have raised questions regarding on
campus job opportunities, library
positions and their funding.
students have been asking what
happened to their funding for these
positions and what it means for
library opportunities across the
campus, some have requested funding
from associated positions.
asco is operating with a budget
deficit of approximately 200 thousand
dollars while associate student
funding comes from student dollars,
this raises appropriate source for lab
aid positions and whether associated
students should be [inaudible] that
serve the broader college community.
this has been a recurring concern of
students, and they will continue to be
followed as the semester progresses.
those are my main updates, thank you.
>> thank you.
next is 5c, it's the academic senate
president's report, katia fuchs will
be presenting the report to the board.
>> good evening, trustees, chancellor
messina, college community.
happy fall semester.
I don't speak only for myself when I
say the buzz of the new academic year
is thrilling and it's really wonderful
to see students on our campus eager
to start or continue their academic
journeys.
it's a pleasure to be giving my first
in-person report to you as academic
senate president this academic year.
I'm grateful to lillian and fanny law
for delivering my board reports in may
and june when I was recovering from
surgery.
since you asked, my surgery was a
success and the recovery gave me a lot
of opportunity for quiet reflection,
it's easy to be quiet when your jaws
are wired shut n. This reflection, I
realized even though the surgery led
to a positive outcome and it's already
improved the daily function in the
quality of my life, it required me and
those close to me to be gracious and
compassionate as I slowly
regained my ability to participate
fully.
this struck me as a great metaphor and
guiding principle in my work here at
the college that when we make
decisions and plans for change and
improvement, we must factor into our
processes a certain compassion and
grace for adjusting to those changes
as we see them lead to positive
outcomes to our college and our
students.
allowed this me forto guide me as I
participated in the academic senate
orientation, it happens in august
every year and our wonderful second
vice-president fanny law put on an
enjoyable event, we're thrilled to
have a coun of 19 faculty this
academic year, we have faculty who
teach both full and part time, credit
and non-credit, academic and service
faculty and faculty who are based
primarily on cam pus outside of ocean.
we're also excited to welcome faculty
who have never served on the council
before, that we have yet to have an
official business meet, we got to
experience some excellent discussion
as councilmembers learned about the
role of the academic senate and
college governance.
one example we used when talking about
the important role of the senate was
to suspend the [inaudible] beginning
this academic year.
this decision was the result of a
deeply robust conversation that
spanned the entirety of last academic
year involving participation from
every constituency group at the
college leading to a result that we
hope will truly benefit students and
faculty alike.
with the orientation behind us, we're
working to finalize our first business
agenda of the year on september 9 and
we look forward to be robustly
discussing comprehensive program
review and our program review
coordinator will be leading us in what
will be a rich discussion on how to
make this process a meaningful one.
I'll be sure to report more on it as
it goes on and thank you for your time.
>> next is 5d, the classified senate
president's report, this is president
michael medina-snider.
>> we didn't have our first meeting
yet because we just mad the plenary,
our first official meeting will be
next month, september 15, but we did
have the plenary where we
thanked the chancellor for coming and
swearing in our new elected officials,
we have our parliamentarian kathy as
the vice-president and then senator
vashali, enrique, rudy, shanell,
susie, alex and charles and many of
these are new people.
I want to also thank elaina wong,
david delgado for their dedication and
commitment for the last senate --
they're outgoing senators and we're
looking forward to the first meeting
to engage on what we're going to focus
on this year.
I'm goik to move on to something else
that's not so great.
I want to talk about human resources
and I want to talk about some things
that have changed here that is not
really the senate focus but I'm going
to say it anyway because it does
resolve around my job and student
health and I'm going to take this
opportunity to say that this
restructuring of human resorts
roll-out was not very effective.
there are safety issues on campus.
I had two injuries from the culinary
with lacerations this week, we have no
idea who the risk manager is now who
or who's taking over for that person,
we know orlando is not.
there is as website that says to
e-mail -- scan and e-mail the accident
injury report to the risk services
e-mail, that is not a secure e-mail,
that is a hipaa violation I have
reported twice with this college, now
we're having it back on the website
again.
you do not send medical records
through our e-mail system.
we are not only personally liable for
doing it but the college is liable and
you should all know that, this has
been going on.
rolling out the restructuring and not
having these things situated in
advance and not only letting the
constituent leaders know about this in
advance and maybe the roll-down from
there, but not avenging the campus
know where our faculty don't know
where to send this or don't know who
to call because all of this has
changed and no one went over it
thoroughly with the college is not
acceptable, it is not acceptable to
roll out these things when there is
safety and students involved and I'm
very disappointed with this department
for many reasons but this is a big
one, we have to take seriously or we
are going to get a violation.
I'm going to tell you right now, if I
find out or if I have to go through
an e-mail again and if I find out
somebody's e-mailed an injury report,
I'm going to report this as well, it is
illegal, personal and for the college,
we're talking millions of dollars
and of the two violations so far here,
someone needs to roll out the training
and let the district know what's going
on.
>> thank you, next is 5e, the service
employee's international union, seiu,
san francisco community college
district local chapter 1021,
president's report from president
maria salazar-colon.
>> making sure you guys can hear me?
>> yes.
>> I'm on a new laptop, it's been
acting wild.
seiu is concerned the district is
feeling a significant amount of money
to high paid administrators who seem
to be unqualified for their positions.
we see a new administration on the
block and it's called conquer and
divide, giving off anti-labor vibes
and taking down unions with shut up
and do what I tell you to do,
additionally, it is troubling the
inappropriate behavior among some
administrators is not being
addressed, these individuals are
receiving promotions and new titles.
if we're wrong, prove it with the
evidence.
consider this, former vice chancellor
yulan who was a staunch appointment
of labor units received a
transportation housing stipend of
approximately 7 thousand dollars per
month for nearly two years, in
contrast, the former avc of hr
received five thousand each year,
during that time, our union positions
including those for utility workers
were put on hold by the previous
interim chancellor due to budget
restrictions.
however hundreds of thousands of
dollars continue to be allocated.
I believe the swaying has worsened
since then.
currently there is a restructuring of
the hr department that is negatively
impacting our union job, our
bargaining union members have been
informed that the department is no
longer the labor hr, what is evidenced
by this restructuring is the formation
of an anti-hero labor hr department
exhibiting a concerning pattern of
ageism, we have received testimony
from senior experienced workers
stating they have being pressured to
retire, they even agree -- if they
agree to retire, management offers to
throw them a party.
this behavior has complete disregard
for the members of our bargaining unit.
employees who resist out of class duty
face layovers aimed at coercing them
into retirement.
all of this is occurring under the
current leadership of the college
administration which includes
anti-labor industries and the external
legal counsel.
when will this end?
it seems we're on the path of becoming
an anti-labor institution.
also I don't appreciate hearing from a
former president of our union he was
called a thug.
this shows once again the behavior of
the this college who ignores the
institutional racism that continues
here.
thank you.
>> thank you, president salazar-colon.
next on the constituent group reports
is 5f, the american federation of
teachers, aft, local 2121, president's
report by president robin pugh.
>> thank you, welcome back, so here we
are at the beginning of the school
year.
I don't know what happened to summer,
but it's been great hanging around,
seeing people, feeling the energy from
faculty and students.
this is a time of year when we look to
the future, so in that vain, there's a
few things I hope we'll hear about
tonight or if not that, very soon.
the college community needs to hear
more detailed plans about the future
of our downtown center or even how
that future will be determined.
we need to hear scheduled and program
level detail of how the college will
achieve a 2% enrollment growth goal,
especially in light of the pause in
instruction downtown.
in my e-mail to you all earlier today,
I shared my concern about tonight's
item 13a, your vote on whether to
authorize a contract with outside
lawyers without a dollar amount.
the college has hired administrators
in hr, hired inside counsel, recently
restructured hr, we heard about that,
even citing decreased need in hr to
justify cutting a position and yet
there appears to be no lan to develop
internal capacity for labor relations
which is sadly lacking.
I instead of our public college has
become a multimillion dollar client for
[inaudible], we incentivize these
outside lawyers to earn millions of
taxpayer dollars by perpetuating
dysfunction and delaying resolution,
it's a pattern we've seen clearly from
this firm, please do not approve a
blank check.
with respect to tonight's budget
presentation, we know this is an early
presentation, what we know to be true,
the college has run surpluses for the
last six years while building healthy
reserve asks capital outlay, all the
while, the budget said the district
was going to be in deficit or
at risk of deficit.
apt caught on to this quickly, we
noticed we fought these harmful
practices and now the state auditors
have noticed.
our budgets are reliably unreliable,
so to correct this harm, we need a
pattern of budgeting that reflects
reality and we look future to see
further refinements that clarify how
the board will facilitate our
transition to the student centered
funding formula, this is the kind of
financial leadership we most need from
our board of trustees and finally aft
continues at the bargaining table for
a successor contract.
we look forward to collaborative
discussions and looking forward to
working with a district team that
displays respect by coming to the
table prepared and ready to make
proposals that recognize the value of
the critical service that faculty
provide to students in the college.
thank you.
>> thank you, president pugh?
next is 5g, the administrator's
association co-chair's report,
co-chair stephanie chenard will not be
here to present the report but it is
attached, the formal written report.
last is 5h which is the department chairs
council dcc president's report,
darlene alioto.
>> good evening, trustees, the dcc has
not officially met yet this semester.
we have report from boots on the
ground that enrollment looks good.
as we walk by classrooms, there are
more students than we have had for a
while and there is a vibrance around campus.
faculty are saying that they have more
students this semester than they have
had since covid.
so, it's a mystery why computer
numbers are still saying that we are a
bit lower than we were last year.
we hope that those numbers will catch
up with reality.
I wanted to do a shout out and a thank
you to the team that has worked hard
on our ghost students, admission and
records and it, there seems to be a
major, major improvement in the ghost
situation, so deaf -- definitely
something is working.
we're still seeing the same confusion
at the start of each semester where
the semester start date is different
from the class start date.
that's confusing for students and we
need to find a different way to
present that information.
in a recent meeting with the
chancellor, she indicated that there
may be a new program that can address
this problem and we certainly hope so
and hope that it can be done prior to
our next registration.
finally I would right to ask the board
of trustees to consider moving their
closed session to the end of the
meeting so that you guys are the only
ones that are inconvenienced.
welcome to a robust semester, thank
you.
>> thank you very much,
president
alioto.
>> okay, thank you so much, that
concludes constituent reports.
chancellor's report is next I believe.
>> we do have a public comment on it
if you would like to take that first.
>> let's go ahead and have the report
and then we'll take public comment.
>> of course.
>> thank you, you see the written
report.
one of the things I wanted to
highlight for everyone is the
information I shared at the fall flex
day regarding the educational
strategic planning process.
so, we did share the team members were
working with us, the timeline, the
expectations of the workforce, the
fact there will be many listening
sessions across the college and with
the external community, they'll also
be reports out to governance and to
the board and it's a very inclusive
process that we have begun this
semester.
we are looking forward to that and so
I just wanted -- the slides give a lot
more detail.
I think that I want to echo what
darlene said, I know I -- I'm hoping
that numbers, they say numbers don't
lie, I do see a lot more students on
campus this fall than I did see last
fall or last spring, so I think I'm
crossing my fingers our enrollment
numbers might be different than census
data than they've been so far, we'll
report that out to you.
there is a lot of good information in
there, I will let it go at that.
>> let's take public comment.
>> there's one, mara lee hearn.
>> good evening, trustees and
chancellor.
thank you, chancellor
messina, for reminding
us about the goals of ccsf, and I
quote, collective commitment to
education success, equity and access,
of late, a primary concern for many of
us in the community is access and
increasingly shrinking reality.
as we have watched in horror at the
loss of our highly acclaimed fort
mason art center in 2009, and the
nearly total destruction of the older
adults program, now we are witnessing
the administrative wrecking ball
attack the downtown center.
a community built on the successes in
providing inner city students with
access to classes, on-site experience
and skill building leading to the
credentials necessary to survive in
our demanding and competitive city.
this has been ripped a away from its
students and all of their supporters
and teachers who patiently waited and
watched eagerly for the leadership
that could both recognize and support
the mission of the downtown center.
it's not too late to choose the
appropriate leadership, to build the
student attendance by addressing their
needs, to fulfill the stated goals of
this institution.
our reported millions in surplus in
our budget are there to be put to good
use can which does not include further
inflating the reserves at the expense
of student programs.
thank you.
>> thank you very much.
that concludes public comment,
president chisti?
>> let's go to the next item.
>> 7 is open session and informational
items, 7a is entitled city college of
san francisco annual grantees and
resource development update.
this will be provided by the dean of
grantees and resource development, dr.
maureen herrington who will be
joining us remotely.
>> I'm going to ask my colleagues for
a motion to extend the meeting time.
I'm going to estimate proposed 10:45.
>> moved.
>> moved by trustee chung, seconded
by trustee mccarty.
seeing no discussion or objection,
we're going to take that by
acclimation, meeting time is extended
to 10:45 p.m., the floor is yours.
>> good evening, trustees and
chancellor messina.
I am submitting the annual grants
report, it's information only.
there are as you can see from the
report, there's a list of various
grants that were applied for,
received, applied for, not funded and
then the list of grants that were
determined and not necessarily be a
good fit at the time and others that
are currently under review.
we know that there has been a big
change in the federal funding
department of education and so things
are influx but we continue to work to
bring in creative grants and it's
never dull, let's just say that.
we have lot of colleagues, faculty,
chair, deans, administration that are
bringing things to our attention and
things are being vetted and we're
looking at creative ways of bringing
more opportunities to the college and
our students.
so, that's the information only at
this point, but do you have any
questions?
>> thank you so much.
thank you so much for this
informational item.
before I open it up for discussion,
any public comment?
>> there's no public comment on 7a.
>> alright.
we're going to keep discussion on in
fairly brief, so, if there's pressing
questions or comments?
alright.
seeing none, we're going to go ahead
and move along, thank you so much, dr.
herrington.
>> thank you.
>> the next item is -- if you could
please call the next item.
>> this is 7b, the free city college
program update.
I'll pass it along to you.
>> in the interest of time, I wanted
to make sure that all of you had
access -- there was a free city
oversight committee last month, ibt I
wanted to make sure you had access
to the agenda posted.
some of the access is what a revised
mou would look like, the body will
engage with that and we will all keep
you apprised with those discussions.
I think something else that we want to
keep as we move into the next item to
think about is that I believe the free
city mou is going to be expiring in
2029 so, that's just a formally
expiring at that date, something for
us to keep in mind of and I think
student trustee wong also provided
some updates about securing the
funding and right now we're secured
but to think about the long term.
so, that's the update.
I want to take really quick public
comment.
>> there's no public comment on 7b.
>> I'm going to move us along in the
interest of time on this, if that's okay.
if you could call the next item.
>> this is 8, open session,
presentation items, 8a is fiscal year
2027 adopted budget update and
multiyear financial projections.
which will be presented by vice
chancellor shannon carter.
>> alright, the floor is yours.
>> I apologize, I want to stand here
so I can see everyone's face.
I'm giving a little more information
so when we get into next month when
you guys get that budget book in your
hand, you're going to be able to
answer a lot of questions that you
may have, so let's start with the next
slide.
so, here we really just want to say
thank you who put a lot of work in
into this.
this is how we started and this is how
we're ending, the budget is not
completed by finance alone, it is a
collective effort by mostly the
administrator, human resources,
instructors, everyone has a buy-in,
thank you for everyone who's gotten us
here.
so, let's look at the districtwide
snapshot, when we look across all the
district funds, city college is a
significant public investment, the
largest revenue source shown is the
blue which is on the u-fund, that is
driven primarily by our apportionment
and other unrestricted revenues but on
the expenditure side, the largest
component this year is associated with
our bond funded capital program,
that's that large gold area you see
on the expenditure side.
let's go into the numbers.
this is the slide that provides the
detailed history behind our
unrestricted position.
but there's good news here, over the
last several years, city college has
significantly strengthened its
financial position.
the ending fund balance increased from
19.1 million to a projected 72.2
million.
that did not happen accidentally.
again, I would like to honor all the
work we've been doing over the past
few years but within this last year,
there was a lot of hard work and the
leadership of the chancellor, so thank
you for that.
but this also reflect deliberate
fiscal management and provides the
college with an important financial
cushion.
but there's another number on this
page that deserves our attention, in
fiscal year 26-27, revenues are
projected at approximately 207.4
million dollars when transfers are
207.2 million, we're a bit balanced
but barely.
the distinction between becomes very
important as we move into the
multiyear forecast later on in the
presentation.
so, here this simplifies the previous
slide into three numbers, the 207.4
million of revenue, the 207.1 in
expenditures and a 72.2 million dollar
ending fund balance, that produces a
reserve of approximately 34.85%.
a 34.85% reserve gives city college
flexibility and protection against
uncertainty and that is a strength but
I want to make an important
distinction, a reserve is a financial
safeguard, not an ongoing revenue
source.
we cannot solve recurring expenditure
growth with one-time fund balance
indefinitely.
this is giving us something valuable
which is time.
time to make thoughtful decisions
rather than reactive ones.
the reserve has increased from 10.65
in fiscal year 22-23 to a projected
34.85% in 26-27.
here is our restricted funds.
there we go.
here's our restricted funds, you'll
see substantial growth in our
restricted funds, that's mostly with
our carry over and with our 44.8
million dollars, so again we are
actively working to spend down those
restricted funds with the incoming new
vice chancellor, we will actively be
working with spending plans along with
our deans and our department chairs.
next slide.
so, first before we go into the
multiyear, I want to talk about
assumptions so we're looking at the
same thing.
before looking at that forecast, it's
important to understand what drives it.
so, a multiyear projection is not a
prediction of exactly what will
happen, it is a planning tool that
tells us what could happen in our
current assumptions hold.
we have assumed 2% annual enrollment
growth, future colas, increases in
health and welfare costs step and
column movement, operating cost ess
cal lacing and the potential return of
a state deficit factor.
most importantly the projection holds
our scff funding floor at
approximately 169.1 million dollars.
that includes our 1.44% discretionary
cola.
these assumptions will change as new
information becomes available.
our job is to update the forecast
continuously and make decisions early
when the trajectory changes.
next slide, please.
so, again, this slide distills those
assumptions into the major building
blocks and this is where the
structural challenge starts to become
visible.
we are assuming enrollment growth, we
are assuming cola which are positives
but at the same time, health and
welfare costs are projected to
increase 6% annually.
operating costs remain elevated and
the forecast introduces a state
deficit factor, so the challenge isn't
simply whether revenue growers, the
challenge is whether revenue grows
fast enough to keep pace with our cost
structure.
under the current assumptions, it does
not.
here is our multiyear projection with
the unrestricted fund.
this is one of the most important
slides in this presentation.
26-27 is essentially balanced but
beginning in 27-28, expenditures begin
growing faster than revenues.
our projected operating costs are
approximately breaking even this year
but the following year starting our
deficit which is 6.6 million, then
16.6 million and ultimately 24 million
in fiscal year 29-30.
I want to emphasize that these are
projections, not predetermined outcomes
and that is precisely why we are
showing them now.
the purpose of a multiyear projection
is not to tell us we have a future
problem, it's to give us enough time
to prevent one.
so, the detailed projection shows
revenue remaining around 205 to 207
million but expenditures and transfers
grow up to 228.7 million by 29-30.
here is where we illustrate.
this chart makes the issue much easier
to see.
the blue bars which is our revenue
remains relatively flat.
the red bars which are our
expenditures continue moving upward.
that's -- that space between the two
grap gaps are our structural deficit.
these year there essentially isn't one
but next year it becomes 6.6 million,
then 16.6 million and then the 24
million.
so, our challenge is not simply
cutting a budget, it is changing the
trajectory of these two lines,
looking at both sides of the equation,
controlling our recurring costs,
strengthening our enrollment,
maximizing our scff performance and
identifying sustainable revenue
opportunities.
next slide.
here now we can see what happens if we
we do nothing.
our reserve peaks at approximately
36.9% and remains strong at 35.85%
this year, as recurring expenditures
exceed recurring revenues, the reserve
begins doing exactly what reserves to
which is absorbing the difference.
it declines to 30%, then to 22% and
approximately 11% by 29-30.
the concern isn't that we have an
inadequate reserve today, the concern
is the speed at which the projection
will consume it.
but here let's talk through a
preliminary rising analysis.
we frame this as a preliminary because
fiscal stewardship isn't simply about
maintaining a particular percentage,
four things stand out.
first, this year's operating margin is
extremely thin, approximately 288
thousand.
second, the structural deficit emerges
next year and accelerates.
third, that deficit begins consuming
our reserve.
but fourth, by fiscal year 29-30, the
projection levers us with
approximately one month and a week and
a half with operating expenditures and
reserves.
our reserve levelers gives us the
ability to be strategic today, as we
continue to prepare for our future.
however this table right here puts
this entire story on one page.
the college enters 26-27 with
approximately 72.2 million dollars in
a fund balance which is approximately
four months of operating expenses.
under the current assumptions, that
falls to approximately 25.1 million
which is about 1.32 months of
operating expenses.
but the most important number on this
slide is 72 million or the 25 million.
it is the growing difference between the
recurring revenue and the recurring
expenditures.
if we address that structural
imbalance, we'll protect the reserve.
if we focus on the percentage, we risk
treating the symptom rather than the
cause.
so here this graphic is intentionally
very simple.
if the assumptions hold and no
proactive actions are taken,
approximately 47.1 million of our
unrestricted reserve will be consumed
over the next three years.
this is the reason why we're working
hard to make sure we're monitoring our
expenditures and evaluating
everything we're doing.
I don't present this number to
subjecting it is inevitable but it is
avoidable.
we have visibility and we have time,
we have a strong starting reserve.
what does all of this mean.
the 26-27 adopted budget is balanced,
when we print that out, we should have
that out by september 1.
when we're looking forward, the
strength should not make uss very
complaisant.
I really want to express the
leadership from the chancellor is
really make us evaluate how we're
moving forward and that trajectory to
make sure we improve.
as we continue to go this, our numbers
should improve with our correct
leadership.
we appreciate everyone's participation
and understanding how we're going to
move forward, this is not just about
reducing expenditures, it's about
being intentional and thoughtful in
our investments.
so, I want to close again with --
we're going to lean on our board to
assist us as we move forward but we
want to understand and will continue
to bring this budget forward as we're
making these decisions to ensure we're
being transparent but most
importantly, collaborative.
thank you.
>> thank you so much.
before I open it up to my colleague,
let's go ahead and take public comment.
>> yes, we have a total of four.
the first one's leslie smith followed
by abigail bornstein followed by
susana a atwood, leslie?
>> I have arthritis, I'm on the list,
operation.
hard work, seriously, to put money
into the reserves instead of serving
students, that's not hard work, it's
wrong work.
does everyone know what k-12,
california and the city and county
have in common?
reserves are limited to 10%.
you cannot put more than 10% into your
reserves if you are k-12 school
district.
the state of california or the city
and county of san francisco.
why?
why are they limited to 10?
because taxpayers want the money they
are giving you to be spent on the
purpose that they are allocated for.
what is the one policy change that is
needed to fix our college?
focus on student enrollment growth,
nothing else will work to fix the
budget.
how big is the problem, we're down 24%
in ftes since 17-18.
we used to serve 22 thousand -- when I
was here, a lot more.
and now we're serving 16 thousand.
almost 17 thousand.
so, that's the chancellor in her
report reported 2.6 million is the
cost, ongoing faculty cost to increase
675 ftes at the downtown campus that
would have kept the 2.2 million at the
base.
it's about 20 million bucks to get us
back to where we need to go so we can
get cola and growth.
ongoing, that's ongoing.
who's responsible for making those
policy changes that will save city
college?
the board of trustees are legally
responsible for policy and direction,
establish general policies and ensure
that local educational programs
match community needs.
sounds like the weston report, sounds
like we know what we should be doing.
hire and evaluate and support a
chancellor who will do the right thing.
we owe it to our adults, our
communities, our taxpayers and our
state to serve the students.
>> thank you, leslie.
next is abigail bornstein who will be
joining us remotely.
>> please turn to the pdf document,
page 4, labeled slide 12.
under expenditures, look over to the
right side, what do you see in the
last column?
every classification on the right side
shows a double digit year over year
increase ranging from 15% to more than
200%.
there's one exception and it jumps off
the page, academic salaries are up 12%
year over year.
what does this tell our san francisco
community, that city college of san
francisco is not focused on educating
classes or the teachers needed to
teach those classes but out of
everything else, teaching is becoming
secondary to building support services
and outreach outside contracts.
the school's priorities have shifted
from teaching in classes to almost
anything else.
before any negotiated pay increases,
classified salaries are already up 16%
year over year.
do you see the additional 6.4 million
dollars?
don't forget benefits, that's 9 million
dollars more this year and even
more in the multiyear projection,
three years out, that's 9 million
dollars becomes 27 million dollars
from our reserves.
hasn't it been the board that has
approved the fact that the one group gets
an increase, the other group must get
the same increase too?
based on this budget and these year
over year increase, this college is
becoming more about buildings and
activities other than teaching classes
and educating students.
we are moving from a teaching and
education focused college to something
else.
that's what this budget says to me.
lastly, I would really like the board
to receive a presentation on budget
line item 5909, receivable write-off,
why do we continue year after year to
write off millions of uncollected
receivables, 8 million dollars in the
last three years, are we projecting
that to continue as 2.5 million
dollars each year and for how many
years?
there should be a presentation on
this.
thank you.
>> thank you very much, abigail.
next is susana atwood followed by
lydia hernandez.
>> susana atwood, retired business
faculty.
the first thing I want to say is maybe
fortunately, maybe unfortunately,
there is a new state auditor's report
out that has many findings for us, for
ccsf, and I recommend you folks look
at it on the state auditor's website
because it's presented really well
there.
but it kind of throws a monkey wrench
into this whole budget because it's
asking for some things that we didn't
know it, right, it came out august 8
and this budget book and everything
that the county department's been
working on was all done way before
that report came out but one of the
things I want to mention about it is
that it really wrote us up and said as
ccsf, we are bad at predictions going
forward and that the proof of that
pudding is that we have had consistent
surpluses for the last four or five
years and they list them and they also
really wrote up the state
chancellor on a lot of issues but
asked the state chancellor to monitor
things going forward, so if we take
what was just presented as a going
forward multiyear budget and make it
more realistic because it isn't
because we've been bad at righting
that for several years we have 20
million, 15 million surpluses at the
end of the year and they're saying we
should predict better.
if we do that, this whole thing ends
up looking better.
the other -- the second thing missing
from this is that we expect to come
out of hold harmless the following
year, 29, that's on this chart, so
that would be 29-30, we come out, we
then the following year get a full
cola and that cola bringers that thing
that went way down on the chart way up
again.
so, that has to be taken into
consideration that any structural
difference we have is very temporary
and can we live through a that
temporary period?
thank you.
>> thank you so much.
>> last is lydia hernandez.
>> good evening, members of the board
and administration.
so we're looking at multiyear
projections that warrant a structural
deficit by 2030 while our unrestricted
reserve has climbed to 31 million,
we don't have to guess whether this is
first fiscal practice because the
california state officer auditor
answered that for us, when we have
massive reserves without a concrete
plan to invest them, they are missing
critical opportunities and
shortchanging their students.
the state auditor directly challenges
the narrative that stock piling tens
of millions of dollars by slashing
course access is irresponsible
stewardship, it is institutional
paralysis a multiyear projection is
supposed to be an early warning tool,
not an excuse to engineer our own
decline, you could not project ftes
recovery while actively suppressing
the supply of classes that students
need.
I took micro economics here at city
college and you can not serve a
community that wants to learn if you
keep closing classroom doors.
look at san francisco today, the
nearly 100 thousand dollar west ed
study, the language learner education
is high, yet non-credit and esl
offerings are being choked out and
local residents who is are knocking on
our doors are being turned away.
this brings us directly to the nexus
test, san francisco taxpayers
contribute tens of millions dollars in
local parcel and sales tax and they
approve these measures and their tax
dollars fund concurrent students, they
cut the community classes that those
taxes were meant to fund fail it is
nexus.
the reserves are not meant to be
accumulated indefinitely at the
expense of instruction.
it is time to align our budget demand,
invest our surplus into high demand
class raises and put the community
back in city college.
thank you.
>> thank you very much, lydia.
that concludes public comment.
>> public comment on this item is now
closed.
we're going to begin discussion.
just as we open up discussion, at a
later point on the agenda, we will be
-- there will be a motion to have a
special meeting, so in order to
approve the budget before the required
deadline of september 15, so just --
this is the before we're approving,
this is another round of a discussion
we're having before this is going to
come before a formal adoption on
september 10, so this is really our
time and this is the crux of the
discussion so I wanted to say that and
I want to take a quick bile break so I
am turning it over to vice-president
zamora to help facilitate the
discussion, I will be right back.
>> trustees, any comments?
trustee chung?
>> well, thank you, vc carter, for the
presentation.
I do have to point this out as many
many of you have probably figured out
that I'm not running for re-election
because I'm also looking to go to
graduate school, that's why I'm taking
my break to continue my education, yes.
[applause].
so, as I look at standardized exams, I
can't help but look at some of the
graphs to scale.
shawn, if you could -- I don't know
the if you are controlling the screen
if you could help me out here.
I do want to -- I'll just quickly
start with in chronological order,
our expenditures including our capital
outlay bonds, and not accounting for
them in the sail manner -- same
manner, it seems like we're spending 2
million more than we have, I just
wanted to point out how that -- this
particular slide makes our college
look.
>> understood, but understanding that
our bonds are being more expended in
this year than we received them, that's
the reason why it's larger there but I
can see where you're coming from.
>> especially for the public, even if
it's an asterisk to help explain that
because otherwise you come to the
slide and you're like, we're really
mismanaging our money just looking at
this slide and that's not happening,
right.
>> absolutely not.
>> thank you.
I also wanted to point out the graph
in slide 10 or 9 as it's marked on the
presentation.
it doesn't quite scale -- are we there
yet, sorry, it's 10 on the pdf but it
jumps from 14 to 9, thank you, it
doesn't quite scale up, in fiscal year
28-29, the scale from the blue that
marks 200 million, the 20 million or
the 16 million difference, that
doubles in size, right.
I think this is quite -- right, again,
as far as scaling things, it does
really -- and I know that you spell
out the numbers on the right side,
again, --
>> illustrating.
>> illustration, as to your point
about transparency and accuracy, I do
think showing the public that we're
not doubling our expenses compared to
our revenue, again, makes a huge
difference.
>> that's fair.
>> so I look forward to graphics at
scale in the future.
>> got it.
>> thank you.
as we get into the numbers and the
details here, I am -- I'm a little
confused as far as -- we'll start with
our revenue, I think as we -- so if we
go back to slide 4, our revenue which
went from 213 million is what we're
projecting or what we're going to be
adopting is 207.5 million, can you
help walk through why there's such a
difference in our state revenue?
>> yeah, definitely, one thing we also
have taken advantage of is our deficit
factor, so going from our unaudited
actual to our adopted budget, that's
within some sort of deficit factor
we're including so again that's
unaudited but this is really our
projection we're saying on the 207
million which is kind of flat from
what we're getting from our
apportionment.
>> and I do understand that.
I think every year there this
discussion about the deficit factor
that never comes true for community
colleges, right.
I mean, vc carter, you have probably
had the same experience in la, I
haven't seen -- in the four plus years
here and maybe dr. Messina, you have
been in the community college system
in california for much longer, I have
never seen the deficit factor come to
fruition as far as the impact on our
revenue.
I know there was that one year where
all of us got scared and we all
decided we need two months worth rf
revenue to hold in our reserves, but
with that exception.
>> yes, that's true but when we are
budgeting, that's something we take
into consideration.
even in our p1 projections, there is a
deficit that's identified, in our
budgeting practices, it is
consistent we do include it.
>> and in your experience, does -- how
does that later then impact how you
allocate for all your expenditures
later on, do you end up with a massive
surplus?
>> I wouldn't say a massive surplus.
usually the deficit factor is 1% to
1.6%, so it's not a huge windfall of
money at all but it is something we do
take into consideration.
>> trustee chung, if it's okay, if we
can circle back, I want to make space
for other trustees that might want
to ask questions.
any concerns?
v.p. Zamora?
>> personally I just wanted to thank
you for making this easy to understand.
I mean, I love yulan but this was
easier for me to follow, I wanted you
and your team to be aware of that.
>> thank you, I appreciate that.
>> trustee martinez?
>> thank you for the presentation,
it's very helpful both in the graph
form and in the oral presentation.
if we could go to the page, I think
it's on the pdf, it's page 15,
assumptions for the multiyear
projections, there you are.
at the very bottom, there is a term
legal that says a million dollars, 750
thousand dollars, so on and so forth.
what is included in that line item?
>> so, mostly that's included in that
are our expenses if there's any
contracts we have so we're budgeting
for that.
>> one of the latest items on the
agenda is to approve a contract with a
law firm and it gives us the rates
that we would pay but it doesn't tell
us what our overall obligation would
be.
so, the question -- I guess the
question is this, does this one
million include that potential cost?
>> can you address that.
so, that contract is really at the
request of the board and constituent
grouses to expand our pool of
available law firms to not be
restricted to just one.
so, what that contract allows us to do
is to choose one of their attorneys if
we have legal issues.
once we do that, the rates are already
agreed upon but the total dollar
amount that we are projecting to spend
should not exceed that dollar amount
so, whether we pay it to that firm or
we pay it to aalrr, our goal is to
diminish that, to reduce that and that
additional contract is trying to give
us a better pool to draw from.
>> thank you.
thank you for that explanation, so
there is a cap on the legal --
>> we are keep capping it.
>> exactly, on legal expenditures.
does that include in-house counsel or
is that just for external counsel?
>> the in-house counsel is salary,
it's only for external.
>> okay, thank you.
>> no problem.
>> any other questions or comments?
I see trustee solomon?
>> yes, I was just figuring out how to
up bridge my comments from what I plan
to what I'll do because I have some of
the same concerns earlier speakers
have expressed about the state's
auditor letter and I know of five or
six years of our projected ending fund
balances in our adopted budgets being
from 7.5 million to 22 million dollars
more than we budgeted for, that's a
concern I have about accuracy and so I
do think, you know, in my first year
on the board, I don't think I could
have dreamed of having a 10.9% reserve
which wre going to have in --
projected to have in 29-30.
I didn't think it could get that -- we
worked hard to build our reserves, but
I do want to emphasize that we need to
keep our eyes on the prize.
we've done that work because some of
that is in the service of transition
to the student centered funding
formula that will come upon us in
29-30.
we have to make sure our budget
projections -- we have to increase
enrollment by at least 2% each year.
>> thank you.
I will adjust a few things, just my
quick thoughts that I'm having.
one of the things I was looking at in
one of the budget documents, I want to
make sure that's sorted, it's not
here, but with the free city
projections, are we projecting it at
the amount that the city has it at the
9.3 and not the 6 point something?
>> we are projecting a 9.3.
>> okay, great.
and then I think -- yeah, I think I
just want to build off of trustee
solomon's points as well.
I mean, we have to stay very steady
for the next few years.
I think this is painting a very clear
picture and, you know, I think we're
going to rely on you all, everyone, I
think to help us steer this ship and
figure out how we're going to make
sure we're sustainable.
and then I think -- I just keep
looking at 29-30, that year is giving
me so much anxiety, I'm going to name
it.
we need to think about the parcel tax
for 2028, we have to think about free
city ending in 2029, we have to think
about this that's going to happen
around that time so I think it's
really incumbent on all of us to make
sure we're all staying on top of this.
I think we all collectively have a
responsibility to figure out how we
know this is coming, right, and
there's different levers everybody's
pulling, I think the board can play a
role with the parcel tax and making
sure we figure that piece out and we
don't let that blind side the
institution.
so, I just really appreciate this
projection and this conversation and
it's going to be interesting for the
next few years but I feel pretty
confident we can collectively figure
this out.
if there are no -- if there's no
additional comments, I will do another
round robin, trustee chung, if you
would like to --
>> I'll condense my comments and not
go into detailed questions, I will
put it in an e-mail form and bug you
there, I'm sorry about that in advance.
and thank you to my colleagues here
for chairing -- sharing some of -- to
share the vision for the work we've
been doing these last few years as to
whether or not I've agreed to it or
not, the board has agreed to build up
the reserves in order to survive in
this period of time where we are not
on stiff, this was intentional, and I
do think that -- and I know vc carter,
you are joining us, and so it is
appropriate for you to frame it in
this lens for how our reserves are
going to be used up but I also want to
emphasize just as some of my
colleagues have said, this was
intentional, this was the plan.
we were going to be -- and I think --
I often worry sometimes our budget
language confuses the public because
when you say we're deficit spend, that
sounds awful.
that sounds like -- there's not a
clear understanding around -- we have
our reserves in order to do this
because we weren't going to get any
additional revenue from the state to a
significant amount, so -- and I think
what is missing in this presentation
though is the framework, we're doing
this in order for us to eventually
receive student centered funding.
that was the whole point, and that
part of the graph is missing, right.
I know it's further out, it's 2031
and on, but I think that's important
for us to state is that it's not a
decline, this is a temporary -- this
was intentional increase in reserves
for the last few years and then it's
going to be a slight decline before we
stabilize the entire institution, that
was the point.
>> if I may, I think it's true and
it's important to rei rate that that
was the purpose behind this and I
think that's very important.
I do also think that projections beyond
three years are dangerous.
we tried to do five, so we believe, we
hope, we are planning for being fully
benefiting from the scff 29-30, but
there are a lot of factors that
contribute to that, so -- and again
once we do that, we still have to wait
for the academic year to happen, so we
did -- you all did and I joined in and
I agree with this deliberate strategy
to have enough reserves to get us
through that but if we don't change a
lot of other things that we're
doing, that the point is to try to get
us to that space and what I'm trying
to say is four years out or five years
out, we agree that our projections
aren't accurate at the end, but we are
doing our best.
I agree the board has worked hard with
the college to ensure we have enough
reserves, to bridge that gap but we
still have to be careful because
otherwise we won't make it to that gap.
>> and I -- from everything I've seen
from this board and this current
administration, I have every faith
that is happening, what I do sense
that is often missing is a roll-back
of innovation and push for us to build
that enrollment as quickly as -- as
quickly -- you know, given our taste
for risk as it comes because I'll
bring this up because I do think it's
important and this is why I was so
nitpicky, besides the specific numbers
and why I was nitpicky about it.
every time we've seen projections year
after year at in district, we've seen
a significant gap between the actual
and what is adopted in our budget
around this time of year.
it's between three and 10 million in
difference year after year across mull
pl administrations.
it's concerning because we lose out on
opportunity to invest in our
enrollment but the other piece to
this, when you look at the summary and
as we've had conversations about
enrollment engagement, the plan we
received early on when vc yee and dr.
cooper wilkins were together and
worked on this plan that took a whole
year was that the goal -- it was a
commitment to have an enrollment
increase by 3% and a reach of 5 but
even within this budget report, it
says 2-3 and there's no mention of 5.
I have seen a roll back of this
understanding that we can -- that is
just my statement, I won't ask further
questions, I needed to make that
statement.
>> president chisti, I know this is
very important, we're about 11 minutes
over on this item.
>> okay, thank you.
>> you're welcome.
>> trustee ferguson, trustee mccarty
and student trustee wong.
>> I will try to make it brief, I want
to say thank you, I know you're in
what, month two, one?
>> I think I'm in month two.
>> yeah, I am.
>> thank you for hitting the ground
running and we all know that there are
big challenges at every community
college and this one, so thank you for
jumping right on in.
I think since joining this board, I
feel like every single meet, we have
centered ourselves around growing
enrollment and the understanding that
we must grow our enrollment and that
like especially other urban community
colleges in the stay, we are facing
challenges in trying to do that and
I am happy that is something we are
constantly focused on that.
deficit spending is scary, it is very
scary and there are realities that we
have to face.
I understand that building the
reserves is the only reason why we
hopefully won't be taken over by the
state and I am grateful as a newer
trustee to my colleagues who made
decisions before I joined the board
that I think were the right decisions
to make sure that we were doing what
was financially responsible so in a
moment like right now and in the
future where hopefully we'll look
rosier but we also know we have some
challenges that are anticipated in
front of us, I am grail we will have
some flexibility for spending there,
so I wanted to say all that, thank
you, this is not rainbows all around
and it's what we have to work with
and I hope we can continue to come
together to focus on the things we say
we're focusing on is growing our
enrollment and getting a more growing
and stable budget.
>> okay, thank you, trustee mccarty?
>> thank you, trustee ferguson, I will
add in on a slightly different topic.
I just -- first, thank you for the
present takes, I super appreciate it
and welcome to month two here.
I think maybe a lot of what you're
hearing from my colleague, trustee
chung, and some of the public
comments, I think there's a lack of
trust in financials, and vc ligoso
when he was here made a lot of headway
about unwinding that and making things
clearer and making things more
accessible and making sure we're
billing things from the right funds and
trying to do a lot of lay that ground
work.
before he came, there was this long
history of misrepresenting numbers and
that what came and what came out from
budgets never aligned, aft has a
great document that tracks that,
tracks how the projections have been
historically off so I think that's
part of maybe what you're hearing is
that larger thing and I want so say
that's not a reflection on you, please
don't take that personally, we
have a lot of trust issues, everyone's
working on it and it's one of the
things I think vc ligoso did well, he
would flag, hey, I said this is what
the surplus was going to be but I
think we might get some extra money
over here, that number's probably
going to change so he was transparent
about what was happening last year, so
I will share that as an example of
what your predecessor did.
>> thank you, noted.
>> student trustee wong?
>> I was wondering what the cola meant
and then in that come lum, why the
adopted budget for this year is a
whole percent higher than the
projected of next year's and then so
on.
>> sure, cola is our cost of living
increase, so that's basically coming
down from the state, tells us how much
more we're going to receive in
revenue, so again that cola is 4.31%
in 26-27 but since we're a district
that's in hold harmless, we don't get
to take advantage of it all the time,
but in certain areas we do, so we keep
track on the historical side of it.
and then you stated the extra 1%,
where was it?
>> [inaudible]
>> just be sure to turn on your mic..
>> for this year, it's at 4.31%, next
year's projected is 3.06.
>> 4.31% which was approved and
received by the state.
we're projecting over the next few
years, it can be approximately 3% but
again that can change due to whatever
the state governors or our economy is
doing here in california, yeah.
>> thank you.
>> of course.
>> okay.
seeing no further discussion on this
item, I'm going to go ahead and
conclude discussion.
again, we are going to be adopting
this at the next meeting which we'll
have to take a vote on.
discussion on this item is now closed.
let's see, where are we?
if you could please call the next item.
>> of course, this is item 9, open
session, action items, 9a is the
resolution authorizing
employee layoffs due to a lack of
work of the human resources operations
team to support a generalist survey
delivery model.
>> this is being pulled from the
agenda and will appear at the next
regularly scheduled board meeting.
let's keep moving.
>> 9b is entitled approval of the
board of trustee meeting minutes, may
7, may 28, june 5, june 11, june 25th
and august 13th meetings.
>> we are calling these meeting
minutes together.
before I open this up for discussion
or entertain a motion, is there any
public comment on all of the meeting
minutes here?
>> there is no public comment on item
9b.
>> alright.
colleagues, is there a motion to
approve the meeting minutes from may
7, may 28, june 5, june 11, june 25,
august 13?
>> so moved.
>> moved by v.p. Zamora.
>> second.
>> seconded by trustee ferguson.
any discussion?
alright.
>> I did want to say something before
we vote.
>> I am going to approve all of them
but in full transparency, I'm going
reserve the right to vote on this
since I will be voting on the
prevailing side because the minutes
are very long, I tried very hard to
get through all of them and I didn't,
so I think they're okay but I just
wanted -- I didn't want that kind of
surprise.
>> okay.
say that one more time.
>> I'm going to vote yes to approve
the minutes.
>> okay, got it.
>> I'm going to give myself a little
time to see if we have any concerns of
the ones we vote on, if you vote on
the prevailing side, you can bring it
back to the floor and I'll let you
know ahead of time.
>> okay, sounds good.
>> okay.
>> so, let's go ahead and do a roll
call on this.
>> of course.
student trustee wong?
>> aye.
>> president chisti?
>> aye.
>> trustee chung?
>> aye.
>> trustee ferguson?
>> aye.
>> trustee martinez?
>> yes.
>> trustee mccarty?
>> aye.
>> trustee solomon?
>> aye.
>> v.p. Zamora?
>> aye.
>> item passes.
>> these meeting minutes are approved.
I'm going to gavel, yay, sorry.
next item which is consideration and
approval -- sorry, can you please call
it.
>> 9c is consideration and approval to
call a special meeting of the board of
trustees on the september 10, 2026 for
approval of the fiscal 2026-2027
budget.
>> this is what I was referencing, and
so we have this item also agendized
for members of the public so they're
aware that we're going to be having
this special meeting and we wanted to
provide advanced notice of this
meeting.
before I ask for a motion on this, do
we have any public comment?
>> there is no public comment on 9c.
>> alright, any discussion or
chancellor, if there's anything you
would like to reiterate for clarity --
>> I had a question, obviously we're
doing this so we can be able to vote
on the 10th before the september 15th
deadline.
my question is the next meeting that
is traditionally our business meeting,
will that remain a business meeting?
>> yes, sorry.
>> yes, so the intention is to
open the special meeting, we'll vote
on the budget, then close that meeting
and open a committee of the whole and
then the business meeting will still
be --
>> thank you.
>> alright.
is there a motion to call a special
meeting --
>> so moved.
>> second.
>> okay.
motion made by trustee solomon,
seconded by trustee mccarty.
seeing no further discussion --
>> sorry, president chisti, I have a
question, typically with special meet,
we only require the 24 hour
requirement around the agenda, though
if we are voting on the --
particularly if the intention is on
the budget, if -- I don't know if
there's some way for me to request --
>> we will do it much earlier than
that.
>> thank you.
>> yes, we're going to do it before
the 24 hours so members of the public
can view -- yes?
>> my understanding based on vc carter
is that september 1 is around when
we'll see the book.
>> alright.
awesome, seeing no further discussion,
if there's no objection, I'm going to
take that by acclimation, this is
approved for the board to have a
special meeting on september 10, 2026
for the purpose of considering the
fiscal year 26-27 budget passage.
alright.
I'm going to now -- now we are at
consent.
mr. Shemansky, if we could please call
the consent agenda.
>> this is items 10-16, 10a to f is
consent action items for sfccd travel
requests.
11a through j is consent action items
for academic and institutional affairs
division, 12a to b is for celebratory
resolutions, 13a is also a consent
action item from general counsel, 14a
to b is consent action items for
finance and administration, 15a to I
is consent action items facilities and
buildings/grounds and lastly is 16a to
d, consent action items from human
resources.
>> okay.
so, I am going to take public comment
on the entire consent agenda, the
first question I have, I'm going to
have two questions for trustees, the
first question is if there is an item
that you would like to pull for a
separate vote, any tenses here that
you would like to pull for a separate
vote.
then the next question I will is a
separate discussion, the first one, a
separate vote.
trustee solomon?
>> thank you, I would like to pull 13a
and 16a.
>> okay, 13 a and 16a.
that's for a separate vote, okay.
trustee martinez?
>> for separate discussion only, 12a.
>> 12a, it's discussion only.
okay, anything else?
I have one.
and I'm sorry, I need to -- yeah, it's
the facilities one, whichever one has
evans on it, 15?
>> that would be 15.
>> 15 a I think.
was it 15a?
>> no.
>> 15 something.
yeah, 15h.
15h for discussion purposes only.
okay.
we are going to take public comment on
the entire consent agenda including
the items that are pulled for a
separate vote or discussion.
this is public comment on the entire
consent agenda, any public comment?
>> there is, there's one, that's lydia
hernandez, she's requesting to speak
on 11 ark, 11d and 12a.
>> alright.
>> so, first I would like you to
consider that if there's items that
are being pulled, give the public an
opportunity to speak on these items.
I'm not saying this is what's
happening but this could be used as a
method of silencing when there's not
an opportunity to speak and there's
such a long list of these items and I
did have a few things.
so, I have a resolution that I would
like to read.
it is in support of designating the
flex day as indigenous peoples' day,
where as it occupies the land of the
ohlone people, to honor the original
stewards of this land and whereas the
city and county of san francisco
established indigenous peoples into
recognize the historical experiences,
trauma and contributions of native
peoples and whereas dedicated time for
faculty and staff to engage with
indigenous history is essential for
advancing the cultural humility and
institutional support necessary for
indigenous students to thrive,
therefore be it resolved the board of
trustees amend the city college of san
francisco calendar to have -- to
cultural humility historical truth and
be it further resolve it is academic
senate requested to explore
professional development programming
focused on indigenous sovereignty,
ramaytush ohlone people and having the
support for indigenous students.
and I also would like to say that we
are also in -- there's a month for
hispanic heritage month and if we are
truly being -- honoring and
celebrating, again, we need to move
past just words, we need to move past
plans and we need to actually respect
and try to assist and try to respect
the contributions that hispanic people
have made for this city and for this
country and for this college, thank
you.
>> thank you, lydia.
president chisti, that concludes
public comment.
>> thank you so much, public comment
on the consent agenda is now closed.
I am going to -- we are going to go
ahead and have discussion on the items
that were pulled for discussion and
then we will have a motion to vote on
all of those items and then we will
take the two separate items that were
pulled by trustee solomon for a
separate vote, 13a and 16a, and we
will do separate votes on that.
so, let's go ahead and begin
discussion on the items that were
pulled in order which was I believe
12a.
>> thank you, I asked to have this
pulled simply because I wanted to make
sure we understand the significance of
this particular resolution.
when I was first on the board, I wrote
a resolution very similar to this and
noted two people in particular, jose
dejesus who was or last latino mayor.
a long time, isn't it, given the
population of this city, and juana who
was a founding mother of san
francisco, she's also recognized as
someone who owned the land which is
now north beach and land all the way
to palo alto and of course that land
was lost when other settlers came in,
so that in particular I wanted to
notice and finally in this particular
resolution, we recognize the folks who
-- the latinos and latinas who have
served on this board and it took until
1980 to elect a latino to the board.
and I think this is the first time
when vice-president zamora was elected
that there have been two of us on the
board and I think that that's
significant given the size of the
student population here in san
francisco.
so, colejio was the first time
there was credit classless offered and
that was a bridge to offer education,
the idea was students would start
taking the classes in the mission
district, they would feel very
welcomed as city college students and
then they would come here to the ocean
campus and this also -- I don't know,
dr. El portio is being recognized,
mission campus has always had healthy
enrollment and I hope it continues to
have that.
I'll add one other comment about --
and I know I did not pull this one,
but it's in response to a comment that
was made about designating october 12
to honor indigenous history.
at one time, october 12 became -- was
celebrated as a holiday, as a college
holiday but not in honor of someone
who thought he had come to india, but
in honor of the people who were living
in the americas and that ceased to be
a holiday a long time ago here at city
college and those are the comments I
wanted to make.
>> thank you so much.
this is on 12a, trustee chung?
>> thank you, trustee martinez.
I also wanted to thank the individuals
or individual that worked on this
resolution.
I don't know if it was because of the
summer break, it's every resolution I
think I've ever hoped this resolution
would look like.
>> I think there were a lot of people
who contributed in many ways, the
credit goes to steven she mans --
shemansky.
>> thank you for making this happen.
>> and I also realized when speaking
with former student chancellor heather
brandt is that I understand that as I
have mentioned before, the hope is to
be able to share some of the events
and community events that are
happening on campus as we -- so that
resolutions are not just so
superficial but I also understand
for the safety of our students that
might have not been shared publicly,
but if that information could be
shared with trustees through e-mail in
some way so we can celebrate with the
student, that would be great.
>> alright, thank you so much.
alright, discussion for 12a has
concluded.
I think the next item is the one that
I would like to discuss which was 15h
and this is the -- if you could call
that item.
>> sure, 15h is the authorization to
increase the professional services
contract with gelfand partners
architects for furniture coordination
and consulting services associated
with the evans center modernization
project.
>> thank you.
yeah, the reason I pulled this, I was
trying to understand, we heard some
things related to the evans center and
wanted to just better understand how
the policy that's mentioned in
this item in relation to pla and just
some of the things we heard today.
>> yeah, I'm -- I don't know if
alberto was ill tonight so I'm not
sure if he's still online, he is,
okay, great.
we'll have avc vasquez as well as vc
carter can talk about the policies and
processes and the bidding.
>> I hope you're feeling better.
>> yes, I am, thank you, and good
evening, trustees.
>> so, if you could perhaps just talk
about what the rules and regulations
that we use in terms of bidding in
general and how they were done with
this project I think is the question.
>> okay, no, thank you, I will follow
up, and I did hear the comments from
the gentleman that were there this
evening and I will also make sure to
connect with the contractor and get a
better understanding and clarification
of that occurrence that they described.
we don't want that to be happening on
our project sites.
just in terms of our project bidding
processes, we have project labor
agreement which has a more specific
focus on the individual labor in the
community, it's not necessarily a
business enterprise item, it's more
greed towards a union and the union
workers but that project la project
labor agreement.
giant construction was -- as we bid
the project out early in the spring,
we to our normal processes of
advertising out.
we do have an slbe program where we're
targeting 30% requirement either
through their own company or through
their subcontractors and the company
that they -- the giant, they did
exceed that goal of up to 33%, the
goal was 30% and we have that for our
construction bids and also our other
consultant rfp's as well.
so, in that sense, they also go
through the process of outreaching to
some local newspapers and through
their own methods of -- through their
own website and also outreach -- they
do have -- I'm trying to get to it on
my notes here.
give me two seconds here.
they outreach through their plan bids
and also through other organizations
in the city and around the bay area
because the list of subcontractors
that giant has and it's a competitive
bid and we follow the lowest and --
god, I'm trying to go back on the
terms, it's late, lowest and most
responsible bidder and they have to be
responsible to make sure they're
making their selection based on their
selection for their contractor, so
typically we have a list of different
vendors on this project that are --
there's 7 vendors, five vendors from
san francisco and others throughout
other parts of the bay area but the
parent company, giant, is an oakland
based contractor.
we're not able to as a public
contract code, it's open to anybody in
the city and state to bid on projects.
>> thank you for that.
and I know that you're also not
feeling well, so thank you so much for
helping answer some of these questions.
I think I have to be honest, yeah, and
maybe this will be something we can do
as a board record or a written item
because I would really like to
understand the slbe policy a bit more
as it relates to this site and then
also just the intersection of that
with pla, I'm not sure if I'm
completely following, just a little
bit more of an understanding of that,
I would maybe if that could be
something for the board.
>> avc carter has something.
>> understanding there's vendors out
there that want to do business with us
and we have an opportunity to
leverage our technology to bring on
technology where we're able to invite
vendors especially if they have certain
classifications, that's what we're
exploring now, we're exploring
new technology that will help us with
our rfp process, our bidding process,
making awareness out there, sending
the invitation out as opposed to using
the sf examiner and say go find this,
it's us going out and reaching out to
our community.
when we'll bring this back, we'll
bring it back with the presentation of
the new technology that's going to
align and make sure we're in
compliance with anything we have in
our policies.
>> and I think we can bring a
presentation back that's planned when
avc vasquez is feeling better that
talks about the components those
things.
that policy created a target, a goal
of having 30% of the workers be from
local things, so that's -- and this
particular project, it was 32%,
comparing that with the regulatory
things, we can bring that back as a
presentation.
>> or it could be a written report
that could lead to a presentation,
breaking it down, what does local
mean, how is it defined, is there a
particular radius of that.
the other thing that I will just say,
some of the things that I heard was a
bit concerning so I appreciate you
following up with the contractor
because at the end of day, they are
representing the institution and so
some of the things that unfolded, so
yeah, I do appreciate you looking into
that.
>> okay.
>> alright, that was it for me.
okay.
seeing no further discussion on this
item, I am going to ask for a --
>> thank you, alberto, you can go to
sleep now.
>> thank you.
>> feel better.
I'm going to ask for a motion to
approve the consent agenda which is
10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16 with a note
that we are going to be voting on 13a
and 16a separately, so this is the
entire -- the motion that I am asking
for is the entire consent agenda
without 13a and 16a.
>> so moved.
>> moved by v.p. Zamora?
>> second.
>> seconded by trustee solomon.
seeing no further discussion on this,
I'm going to take that acclimation, so
the consent agenda is approved minus
13a and 16a.
alright.
we have disposed of those.
now we're going to come to 13a.
trustee solomon?
>> thank you, president chisti.
I think I turned it from on to off
just now.
this is the approval of the aalrr
contract and it's my understanding
that most if not all of us trustees
have expressed concerns about working
with aalrr for purposes of this vote,
I'll express my strong reservations
about the problem that trustee
martinez surfaced about having this as
an open ended agreement about the
total amount that will be spent on
aalrr in that contract.
I understand what we've budgeted for
but I'm still uncomfortable with that.
it was also my understanding that we
as board were not hoping to add other
firms to aalrr but to replace aalrr
with other firms.
as I recall when we approved their
last contract, it wass so they could
complete projects they were already
working on but it seems to me they've
taken on new projects and will
continue to do so if we approve this
contract.
>> alright, thank you for that.
looking over to general counsel.
>> yes, so before I came, they were
serving as general counsel, special
counsel, litigation counsel, advising
hr, labor negotiation, investigation,
there were many realms of law plus a
million different kinds -- so, when we
asked them to take on a case, they
assign it to a lawyer who's a
specialist in that case, nobody is a
specialist in everything, right.
so, they are continuing to work on
several ongoing things that preceded
me that we need somebody to work on,
if we pull them now, we would have to
add somebody else, we don't have --
and honestly the rates from what I
have seen aren't horrible but I do
think we're trying to wean ourselves
off of them, so I haven't that I'm
aware of assigned any new business to
them.
>> we have not.
>> I just reviewed the invoice I got
from them today and it's all matters
that started before I got here.
and then we do have a few attorneys
who have been working on labor or
things that have been -- hr has been
happy with them, so I'm not inclined
to pull them in the middle of
negotiations, it doesn't make sense.
I think that we would like to expand
our pool of attorneys.
that's definitely on my slate and this
was the first contract because I have
to get -- because we have ongoing
matters with them, we have to continue
to pay them, but I spoke with
attorneys from in-house council from
most of the other community colleges
that have in-house counsel.
they all use aalrr and lcw and they
have a few independent attorneys they
pick and choose from, so that was my
plan was to imitate that and build up
a slate of attorneys that we can go to
who are competent in different areas,
but I will say using them has been
incredibly helpful because they can
very, very quickly assign someone and
handle something that needs
handling right away.
I have taken a number of cases and
prelitigation issues and there's not
enough hours in the day for me to
respond and oversee every contract
that comes across my desk.
I haven't handed off anything to
aalrr.
>> so, I did check with hr and we are
using aalrr, the negotiations which
preceded that, we have not done any
investigations with them, we've
transitioned away from that.
we have not reached out to them for
new litigation so we are relying upon
them for ongoing issues but we are
slowly and you noticed that because
more things have been coming to you,
we are really trying to close things
that have been open for a very long
time so our intent is exactly that
which is to use them for existing
things other than as I said we are
using them for the nobodies --
negotiations which has been ongoing
but we are not giving them -- we are
doing our best and as far as I know,
we have not given them new cases.
>> I will say there have been a couple
of small matters that I have asked
them to handle which are not
significant but we -- you know, the
budget has decreased significantly in
legal and it's scheduled to every
year, so -- and part of that -- yeah,
and part of that is from me being
brought on board and so I would say
they're definitely handling the range
of issues that they were handling
prior to me coming on board.
and I will say even -- I don't know
what was happening, I'm assuming they
were handling all of the california
public records request, I get many
every day, it's incredible, that could
just be one job.
so, in fact, it is at a lot of the
other colleges.
>> it actually is.
>> okay.
trustee mccarty?
>> yeah, you said something that
sparked a question for me.
so, what is -- if we're using them
currently for our labor negotiations,
what is the long term plan on that
because that's a pretty expensive
path to handle labor negotiations, we
have multiple units so I'm wondering
do we have a longer vision, if we're
weaning off of them, what is the plan
for that, which we may have one now,
we may not.
>> regardless of aalrr or not, the our
labor partners have people who are
100% dedicated to labor relations and
negotiations, and so we would be using
our general counsel who doesn't have
enough time to sleep and our hr person
exclusively, so right now it's a much
better way for us to be able to have
the resources we need at the table.
we're looking at what we can do but we
don't have a specific plan right now.
we don't have enough human power
that's dedicated just to negotiations
and so having that expertise along
with obviously our hr professionals in
the room, but even if we didn't use
them at this point in time, we would
need to be using someone.
>> I would also say for a lot of the
unions, christine is the lead and
handling it solely and then if there's
a legal issue, she'll pull me in.
but -- so, for the majority of unions,
we don't have outside counsel working
on that.
>> just for the negotiations?
>> yeah.
>> she was asking about the
negotiations that we do have, an
attorney as part of that?
>> yes.
>> is matt at everybody's table or no?
>> he's aft and seiu.
>> are we paying for outside legal
counsel to be at the other tables?
>> they're not at the other tables,
they would be available for questions
if christine had them but they're not
at the table.
>> and do we think, and you may not be
there yet because you are also
new, do we have a
longer vision or model where we think
we'll have local in-house leading
negotiations or do you think model
we're going to have is going to always
be outside could've?
>> I think we need to evaluate that,
what that individual would be putting
-- would there be a second internal
attorney that focused on negotiations,
so we are thinking about that but we
don't have -- right now we're just
going to get through this cycle and
look at what works the best, but
definitely open to looking at what is
the most effective not only in terms
of representing us but also in terms
of our budget.
>> and I think once we get past this
year and we can look and see what
we spent, we'll have a better
understanding of what's the most cost
effective way to address this.
>> okay.
trustee solomon?
>> a follow-up question, so what is
going on with trying to find other law
firms?
>> so, as I said, I reached tout other
schools to see what they were doing
and I'll probably follow up with some
recommendations from them.
so I'm still learning the contract
approval process, but what I'm opining
for is smaller firms and there's a few
firms in the area I have worked with
who I've been happy with so we may put
out some requests for bids, but it's a
little bit difficult with all of our
rules around contracts to kind of get
a specialized slate of people and
interestingly for one of the issues
that we're dealing with that we need
somebody external, we interviewed
three firms and the firm that we were
going to go with originally was the
least expensive.
so, yeah, so we are still -- we're
actively in process, we just went
through that today.
>> [inaudible]
>> it's not a law firm, but yes.
I do think we have lcw but I don't
think it's on agenda today, but it's
coming.
>> that's what they're asking.
>> there are some -- what I'm looking
for is smaller firms to teal with the
specialized things, so instead of
going to one large firm we caner can
go to some small firms, we have a
labor issue, we have a contract issue,
you know --
>> okay, just -- we're getting close
to our time, so I'm going to have us
consider voting on this but trustee
chung?
>> thank you for driving that topic.
I'm not comfortable voting for this
contract without an actual number
attached to it.
it is just quotes for what each
service coasters and we have never
done this -- costs and we have never
done that for them or any other vendor.
>> we would not want to do a
contract with them that said we will
do it for a million dollars.
we internally have budgeted what we're
willing to spend on them but we do not
want to --
>> how much are we willing to spend on
them?
>> total if you saw on budget, we are
looking at a million a year, then 750,
then 650, not just to them but to all
legal costs.
>> I guess my point to this is we've
had this conversation on multiple
rounds and the solution in order for
us to keep it on the table and for it
to come back to us is limiting how
much we allocate for this -- if we are
to vote in favor tonight, which we
can't because -- unless we're willing
to amend the contract right now is to
have an amount -- what we've done in
the past is 300 thousand dollars and
it would circle back to us to revisit
and that way then it triggers an
opportunity for us to have this
discussion again.
>> trustee mccarty?
>> yeah, I was going to say because
what you were talking about is we
previously had no to exceed amounts in
our contracts so that's what's not in
this contract that you were thinking
of, it's a not to exceed a amount and
that trigger it to come back to the
board, that's what you are not seeing
here?
>> it wasn't in last year's aalrr?
>> it was.
I don't know if it was in the contract
but what happened on my very first
might here on june 26, 2025, the
board approved the tentative budget
but did not approve with that contract
for aalrr and said we would only do
300 and come back and then we had to
come back and for an extension,
that was the case last year.
so, if you would like us to come back
with a not to exceed and we're going
to be realistic so you're going to
probably argue with us too but happy
to do that.
>> okay, so I think what I'm hearing
is that we're going to have to item
come back to the board aiming for the
regular meeting.
I will ask for a motion based on this
discussion and proposing the motion
for consideration to continue this
item to the next regularly scheduled
board meeting with some of the
feedback we have asked around a cap
tied to this.
>> moved.
>> a motion.
>> so moved.
>> moved by trustee chung.
>> second.
>> sorry, seconded by v.p. Zamora?
if there's any other discussion?
seeing no further discussion, I will
take this without objection, so this
item is continued to the next regular
board meeting with consideration for a
cap can amount to be included.
alright.
the next item is 16a.
trustee solomon?
>> thank you, president chisti.
I did a side by side comparison of the
contract that we approved on february
12 and the amendments to that contract
so I could see what the current language
is since we can't see it in the
amended version.
the small thing I want but significant
I think thing that I want to point
out, I believe on page 1 of the first
amendment, it sounds weird to say the
first amendment, in the constitution,
section c, 2c says termination without
cause but I think it's supposed to say
termination with cause because now we
have two sections that are called
termination without cause.
c and d are both called without cause
but section c in the document posted
--
>> it says for cause.
>> says for cause.
>> that is a typo, that should be
termination with cause.
>> otherwise what I would to say is by
doing the side by side comparisons, I
was able to see what has been deleted
from the february 12 contract and I
do have concerns about what's been
deleted.
one is there was a date certain by
which time council had to become a
licensed california attorney, that
date has been removed in several
places, and I believe that the -- if
I'm reading this correctly, the
requirement to become a licensed
california attorney has been removed
and what is left is what was
originally in there as well which is
registered in-house counsel, so I
think what this is saying is current
counsel will need to be a registered
in-house counsel but not a licensed
california attorney and I need
clarification.
>> so, and I feel odd talking about
general counsel sitting right next to
me, so, amy is in fact legally
authorized by the california state bar
to practice law in california, just
not to litigate because she has not
passed the bar in california.
we have a letter from the bar saying
just that, she is registered with them
and is legally authorized to practice
law in california, she just can't
litigate.
for our purposes, we would never have
her litigate case, she does all the
background work and everything, so we
amended it to be more accurate and
also to take away the fact that there
would be additional compensation tied
to achieving passing the bar, so it is
an important distinction.
we would not want a legal counsel that
isn't authorized to practice law in
california but she is and she can talk
to you about the specifics but there's
a regular review process by the
california state bar.
if at any point in time that changed,
she would no longer be eligible to be
general counsel here.
>> I think there are a few things that
I just want to make sure you brought
up, date certain, I think one of the
things has been addressed around the
litigation piece and the bar for that,
and then I think there's a typo, the
non-substantive edit around 2c should
be termination with cause.
>> that's right.
>> okay.
>> I'm sorry, but I can't
see where it says that section 5a
about getting an increase in salary
has been deleted.
>> well, I can look at that, but that
was tied to -- it specifically said if
she passed the bar at a certain date,
she would get another step.
since that is not happening, that is
not in the contract.
>> my problem is -- I'm just going to
be grumpy and say it, typically in my
experience when viewing a contract
with proposed changes, there are
tracked changes so you can see what's
new, what's been deleted, and the only
way to do that with this document on
the agenda tonight is I had to go and
find the original proposal -- the
proposal -- the original signed
contract and do a side by side
comparison.
the fact that this document -- this
document called first amendment only
lists the changes.
if something is going to be deleted,
it needs to be in there as a deletion
and it's not in here.
>> so, we can bring it back at the
next meeting and we can have hr to
track changes, but again, the clause
that we will be deleted if you don't
see that it has been very specifically
said what her salary would be and when
she passed the bar by a certain period
of time, she would get a step
increase.
that will not be triggered unless of
course she does pass the bar which
we'd have to renegotiate a that
because the date would have passed.
>> so I think I'm hearing -- so
there's few things that are
happening, I think this item has some
discussion, I think there's some
revisions.
trustee solomon, would you be able to
attach or submit your -- I would be
curious to see what you have.
I don't know if there's a way --
>> we can do the original and track
changes, so we can provide what
trustee solomon is saying we did not
do, it's lot easier than
trying to do what she did and I'm
sorry we didn't, any time you see
something like that, if you would have
reached out, we would have gotten
that for everyone.
>> so, I'm sorry, so I think what's
going to happen is that this is going
to come back to the board with track
changes.
I also would like to understand the
question around the date certain piece.
>> the date certain applies if she had
passed the bar at a specific date, she
would have received a step increase.
that will be deleted because she's not
passing the bar so there is no date
certain.
>> okay.
so, I see you, mr. Shemansky, I got
you.
so let's have a motion to continue
this item to appear at the next
regularly scheduled board meeting or
it could also appear on the 10th so a
later meeting with track changes.
>> we can bring it to the business
meeting with the track changes so it
can be voted upon.
>> let's take that motion.
>> so moved.
>> second.
>> moved by v.p. Zamora, seconded by
trustee solomon.
if there is no -- I'm going to have
to take that by roll call vote.
let's do roll call vote since trustee
martinez is not here.
>> student trustee wong?
>> aye.
>> president chisti?
>> aye.
>> trustee chung?
>> aye.
>> trustee ferguson?
>> aye.
>> trustee martinez stepped out.
trustee mccarty?
>> aye.
>> trustee solomon?
>> aye.
>> vice-president zamora?
>> aye.
>> motion passes.
>> thank you so much.
I know we're at 10:45, what I am
going to propose and if it's okay, if
we continue -- I know that I'm looking
at chair solomon here from the ad hoc
policy committee, if we could please
continue that item to the 10th meeting
just in the interest of time.
>> yeah, just everybody read it.
>> yes, that is everybody's homework.
alright.
so, I am going to just go ahead and
power us through, we're going to go
ahead and just do this.
alright.
so, we are done with the consent
agenda.
we are moving to the next item which
are a running list of items and
board requests, if you have a board
request, say it now or you can submit
through other means.
trustee solomon?
>> I think this
would be considered a board request I
hope.
I just learned that years ago, there
were opportunities for students to
find out how to register to vote and
even register on campus, having it
as an informational non-partisan item,
so, it would be great if we could
figure something out to do
soon, our
ballots here in san francisco will be
mailed to us by early october and
maybe we could put information on our
website, there's a really good
website, www .vote for 11. Org and I
can send this information where you
can just register online but making
sure that everybody who can vote knows
how to register to vote.
>> thank you, and I know I have my
first meeting with the students
combining up and typically our
associate students are the one wos do
these kinds of workshops so we will
look at the website.
they have layover getting the word out
so I will make sure -- and I'll ask
student trustee to remind me of that
topic when we meet, thank you.
>> alright, thank you so much.
alright, we are moving right along.
item 18, the board ad hoc committee
reports will be appearing at another
meeting date, maybe the 10th.
thank you for the flexibility.
and we are at adjournment.
before we have a motion the adjourn
the meeting, I just want to shout-out
susan, lucas, shawn and mr. Shemansky,
thank you for helping us have a very
smooth meeting.
is there a motion to adjourn the
meeting?
>> so moved.
>> moved by trustee mccarty, seconded
--
>> seconded.
>> seconded by student trustee wong.
I am seeing no objection.
we're going to take that by acclimation.
we're adjourned at 10:49 p.m., thank
you.
( meeting adjourned ).