[0:02] We are now into the last commission
meeting of the city
[0:07] today
[0:11] and we're going into recess for
[0:20] » and we're now open.
[0:28] Welcome everybody to Sam and Chief
Planning Commission September 1st. Here
[0:32] we go. As you may not have picked up on,
but we've been having some technical
[0:38] problems in chambers and we have a
couple times that weren't full
[0:43] participation by community. So to ensure
that
[0:48] otherwise we wanted to make sure
everything was okay.
[0:53] Um, as a result, however, I I didn't I
just pulled up thinking we were not
[0:59] going to come here from the health
foundation. How many people are here on
[1:02] health foundation? I was like, yeah,
I pulled out that was going to be
[1:11] 20 minutes ago,
but now go forward. I left all my stuff
[1:17] on there on my website at home. So um
you guys will go to me take a 20 minute
[1:24] recess home get everything and come
right back so everyone okay
[1:35] move to reset meeting
[1:42] back here at um
how about let's call 2:30
[1:47] chart.
[2:00] This is the point of time.
[2:14] To the flag of the United States of
America and to the
[2:19] stand, one nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice
[2:25] for all
[clears throat]
[2:30] of
[2:34] » Commissioner Korea,
>> Commissioner
[2:39] Commissioner
>> here
[3:00] » we have the pleasure of having our two
commissioners and I believe
[3:05] introduction Um, I'm actually going to
let both Nick Leget and Stephanie Korea
[3:12] um introduce themselves and give a
background and why they're why they're
[3:17] here. Why?
[3:22] » Hi, I'm Stephanie Korea.
[3:28] Hi, I'm Stephanie Korea and I was born
in Boston Hospital in Ballister a long
[3:35] time ago. Grew up in San
went away to college and a career and
[3:43] came back six years ago after about 45
years being away.
[3:47] And the reason that I joined is because
uh I and a few people in this audience
[3:54] have had the pleasure of seeing someone
in her glory days and I would humbly
[4:00] like to bring us back to that. I need to
tell show you something in um
[4:09] seven years ago we were in this
I mean 20 years ago the most beautiful
[4:15] villages and towns in California and I
just think wouldn't that be wonderful if
[4:19] we could have that honor again. Thank
you.
[4:34] or
contributed to the community short.
[4:46] » How you doing? My name is Nick Le. I've
been a resident of San for five years.
[4:50] Originally I'm from Seaside in Monterey,
California. Uh I come from a family. I'm
[4:56] third generation carpenter. Um I usually
do like residential homes and commercial
[5:03] buildings.
Um I'm here to help out and try to make
[5:09] this kind of functional.
>> Thank you.
[5:18] Every month at the planning commission
we set aside time to hear from members
[5:21] of items that are not otherwise
public
[5:39] agenda. It consisted of the aid of
posting for this meeting and then also
[5:44] the region meeting way back in June.
[6:05] » Move to approve agenda. Of
[6:11] course. Commissioner,
>> Commissioner Korea,
[6:15] » Commissioner Le,
>> Commissioner
[6:18] » I chair
I
[6:21] » motion pass
[6:27] tonight on the home
project
[6:34] and I think most of you are. So that's
the next item. It's item five. Informal
[6:39] projects to do an opportunity for the
applicant to come to the community and
[6:44] say this quickly online. What do you all
think? Trying to check in with you all
[6:49] with planning commission everything and
they maybe hear some comments and some
[6:54] feedback that might be useful to them as
the project goes forward. That's right.
[6:59] No decisions will be made right
discussion and an opportunity to hear
[7:05] from the applicants themselves about
what their vision is important property.
[7:12] So I said
presentation
[7:17] » yes
[7:20] thank you for bringing up the poweroint
presentation. So my name is Ari. I'm the
[7:24] planning manager here for the city of
Seattle set and today I'll be going
[7:29] through um Sunday street an informal
project review for the San Antonio
[7:35] Health Foundation new clinic building um
for their conceptual design layout and
[7:40] use relationship and receive feedback.
And I just really want to go over that
[7:46] next purpose is not to approve the
project but to receive preliminary
[7:49] feedback on the design, the site layout,
the land use relationship and gateway
[7:55] consideration.
[7:59] The commission is being asked to provide
early non-binding feedback. The key
[8:04] areas are architecture, game design,
streetscape, parking, landscaping,
[8:09] pedestrian circulation, lot
configuration, and the relationship
[8:13] between the commercial and mixed use
areas. These products will help the
[8:17] applicant refine the project before
formal entitlement review.
[8:23] Next slide.
The current following step includes a
[8:27] two-story clinic with approximately
30,000 square feet of clinic floor area
[8:32] about 1,600 square feet of attached
covers parking and 136 parking spite
[8:39] plan also shows an entry gate feature
pedestrian walkway welcome plaza seating
[8:44] landscaping and a connection to a future
housing area. The floor area figures
[8:50] will need to be reconciled in the future
formal the middle.
[8:55] Next slide please.
The site functions as a gateway into
[9:00] family mata. From a design perspective
the question is not only whether the
[9:04] building works as a medical clinic but
whether the site creates an attractive
[9:09] and inviting entry into the city. The
goal is to avoid a standalone suburban
[9:14] medical campus appearance and instead
reinforce the city's historic small town
[9:18] character. Next slide, please. The
municipal code does not establish
[9:23] informal project view as a separate
entitlement, but the planning commission
[9:27] has authority over the types of issues
raised here, including design review,
[9:32] land use, zoning, site planning, and
matters by city managers. Future formal
[9:38] review would evaluate consistency with
the municipal code, general plan, design
[9:42] guidelines, installations, public
facilities, and architectural um
[9:47] compatibility.
Next slide, please.
[9:50] The current concept uses a Spanish
mission Mediterranean architectural
[9:55] vocabulary. The tile roofs, horns,
stuckle-ike walls, arches, arcades,
[10:00] recess openings, and very flames. These
elements help reduce the appearance of a
[10:05] large rectangular mass. The commission
may want to focus comments on masking,
[10:12] human scale, cascade articulation,
material authenticity, and whether art
[10:17] perceptual detailing should continue
around all visible elevation. If you can
[10:23] go to the next slide.
For a building of this size, the main
[10:28] design on mass, scale, and articulation.
The design should avoid large flat wall
[10:34] claims and instead use roof line
variation, wall offsets, recess entries,
[10:39] arcade, windows, and architectural
detail to break the building to smaller
[10:43] official components. Commissioners may
also want to comment on whether the
[10:48] building has enough pedestrian scale
detail at the ground level. Next slide.
[10:54] As part of the application, there would
be a lot adjustment um which is not
[10:59] before the commission for approval
tonight. The key issue is whether the
[11:03] proposed partial configuration creates a
better overall site plan. A lot
[11:08] adjustment changes legal partial
boundaries, but it does not
[11:11] automatically change general plan and
zoning boundaries. The next submitt
[11:15] would should clearly show partial line
zoning boundaries to clinic footprint
[11:20] parking circulation. um if there would
be um any future project on the use
[11:25] parcel and in
next slide please. A key point is that
[11:32] the clinic building and the principal
senate use were shown within the
[11:36] commercial district parking through
driveway circulation landscaping and
[11:40] related site extend into the mixed use
area as part of that offline adjustment.
[11:47] One option is to maintain the sun in the
commercial while demonstrating that
[11:53] area comping
[12:17] is both an operational issue and a
design issue. The commission may want to
[12:21] discuss whether the parking field ad
street and highway 156, whether the site
[12:27] provides clear pedestrian connection and
whether landscaping can stop of the
[12:31] parking area. Concerns to focus on here
include pedestrian realm circulation,
[12:36] parking, screening, landscape and
street.
[12:41] Next slide. The project also identifies
a broader code issue. The general plan
[12:46] makes use concept supports residential
commercial employment and community
[12:50] survey activities but the current zoning
use matrix does not expressively allow
[12:55] medical
[13:02] updates. No code amendment is being
closed tonight.
[13:06] button
for discussion. Staff is looking for
[13:11] feedback on whether the architecture
reflects stand one piece of the store
[13:16] character that the masking scale are
appropriate for the gateway the parking
[13:21] layout screen and pedestrian
the curation pretty sight design and
[13:28] what additional information should be
required before formal review.
[13:34] And I did want to um let the commission
know that um the architect
[13:42] and I apologize if I pronounce your name
wrong. you can correct and when you come
[13:45] up from a mo architecturist here on
behalf of the applicant as well as
[13:50] Richard the strategy as part of the team
and so they are here to answer any
[13:56] technical questions you may have on the
informal review of
[14:06] » okay thank you
so now I believe we should hear from the
[14:12] applicant
tip. Who would you like to have go
[14:16] first? Make sure the designer.
[14:23] » Thank you.
Thank you, Chair De. Really appreciate
[14:28] your time. Good to see you all uh this
evening. Um and Ariel, of course, thank
[14:33] you very much for all of your
I guess bringing on.
[14:40] But it's a pleasure to be here before
you. We're super excited to at least uh
[14:44] take this step, this initial step. Uh we
appreciate you taking the time to uh
[14:48] evaluate. We're here to solicit for some
feedback from you, get some thoughts
[14:53] from you. We're happy to do that here.
We're happy to do it individually to
[14:57] support the ground act and making sure
that we get all the feedback possible as
[15:03] we continue and navigate this project
forward. Um so, as I mentioned, my name
[15:07] is Victor Dolan with Pinnacle Strategy.
I'm here tonight on behalf of San Diego
[15:11] Health Foundation as their land use and
entitlement consultant. Uh I just want
[15:17] to briefly emphasize just how important
this project is not only to San but to
[15:23] the entire San Diego County community.
Uh just a quick side note um I grew up
[15:28] right on the corner of Gonzal in Buista
in Van on the west side of Hollister and
[15:35] um I actually for many years got my
dental work done as a field worker
[15:41] myself and field workers uh never enjoy
going to the dentist after getting up at
[15:47] 4 in the morning to go take apricots and
do what was normal do here in San County
[15:51] but it was just great to have the
foundation there conveniently of course
[15:55] located there in West Long. So for
decades, San Diego Health Foundation has
[16:00] provided healthcare to local families,
including some of the most vulnerable
[16:04] members of our community. Uh this
teaching health center represents an
[16:08] opportunity to bring the same commitment
directly into Tucson
[16:12] and significantly expand access to
healthcare in this part of county. Um,
[16:18] as a teaching health center, we will be
participating or partnering with UC
[16:23] Santa Cruz, UC Davis, UC Berkeley, and
many more universities and colleges to
[16:29] prepare those medical students for real
life experience.
[16:33] Those students and medical staff will
focus on dental training, uh, physician
[16:38] assisting, um, and nutritional care as
well for our senior community. Our
[16:44] community continues to face shortages of
health care providers and barriers to uh
[16:48] accessing primary care, preventative
care and and behavioral health services.
[16:54] This project helps address those needs.
Uh the new teaching health center will
[16:59] serve families, seniors, agricultural
workers, uh medical beneficiaries,
[17:05] uh other residents who might otherwise
have difficulty obain obtaining timely
[17:09] health care. Um, additionally in our
conceptual plans, uh, we are planning
[17:14] for a senior health and services center.
Uh, thank you Mary again for your your
[17:19] leadership and the leadership of the
senior community here inside.
[17:24] Uh, but uh, we also plan on providing a
meeting space, a commercial kitchen that
[17:30] also allows you to prepare meals for
those that are in need, physical
[17:35] therapy, and other activities. But I
think it's important to look beyond uh
[17:40] what this project means even just today
and really go beyond what we'll call
[17:45] opening day. Uh this is a long-term
investment for San Juan Ba as I know you
[17:51] all realize. It strengthens the city's
healthcare infrastructure, brings
[17:55] important services uh closer to uh
residents that need it. uh creates an
[18:02] institutional presence in the community
and helps position San Donga
[18:07] uh to meet the needs of both its current
residents and then of course future
[18:11] generations because as we know and we
heard uh they come back right to serve
[18:17] their community. Santo Health Foundation
is committed to working collaboratively
[18:21] with the city with staff with the
planning commission and the community to
[18:25] develop projects on bombista that we
proud of. Uh we believe this kind of
[18:30] project that um communities we believe
this is the kind of project that
[18:34] communities rarely actually have an
opportunity to bring forward. So a
[18:39] project whose value will be measured not
simply by buildings and of course these
[18:44] beautiful renderings but in healthier
families and in better access to
[18:49] healthcare. We appreciate your
consideration and look forward to
[18:53] continuing to work with you on this very
important project. I think chairman de
[18:58] who articulated that perfectly. This is
the gateway, one of the gateways to San
[19:04] Bas. I know I use it even not being a
resident I used to enter the city uh
[19:10] probably just as much as I use. So, um
understanding that neighborhood,
[19:15] understanding the city, uh we know
better people to get feedback from than
[19:20] yourself. So, we're excited to do that.
I certainly want to take the time of
[19:24] course to introduce Deepo who has been
extremely helpful to us. He was critical
[19:30] in the redesign of um our facility in
West Solster that really logistically
[19:37] created just a really nice operation. We
also have a number of board members that
[19:41] are present here today and just you know
community members who are supportive in
[19:46] general. So, I'll pass John over to Deep
Talk really quick so we could eventually
[19:50] answer any architecture related
questions or anything of that. And I'm
[19:54] here as well answering questions that
that are that I'm able to actually thank
[20:03] introduction.
Thank you. Thank you, Commissioners
[20:08] Ariel. So I'm fairly new to this project
and as soon as I got on I had a long
[20:14] conversation with Ariel as what the city
actually mean what it would what would
[20:20] be a good space over here and one of the
things we decided was we wanted to
[20:25] modify the layout of the thing at what
has been the past
[20:32] building that was away from the street
and it didn't quite uh reflect uh sort
[20:39] of relationship we want the uh building
have actual city we want to connect um
[20:49] our building to a desperate walking and
create a nicer student what I'm here
[20:56] today is to listen I want to you for
today give me as much feedback as
[21:02] possible that you can derive it for a
scenario and do to create a project that
[21:07] you'll all be proud
[21:10] question.
[21:20] » Anyone else?
[21:29] If you have any direct questions prior
to opening the public comments
[21:39] why don't
question
[21:46] the architect and then I think myself
included I'm going to reserve
[21:52] comments on
[21:57] the
[22:03] questions for everyone.
[22:12] » But I think as of right now, no. Thank
you very much for the introduction to
[22:16] the project and for the beautiful
renderings and I'm looking forward to
[22:21] giving you
um as far as what I saw but um question
[22:44] Um
[22:48] there's a uh endings are going to come
for they're going to come randomly
[22:54] probably.
>> So I'm looking and looking at the
[22:59] drawing for anything. There's a flat
section of the roof in Denver.
[23:03] » Yes.
>> Is that going to house equipment?
[23:07] » That's right. Handle equipment. He
didn't want to be visible from anywhere.
[23:12] And this group is going to cover all of
that. So there is no need for any other.
[23:18] » Okay. Definitely that's what I was that
direction I was headed. I happened to be
[23:22] on the cemetery board and so the
cemetery actually overlooked. We
[23:27] probably will see that we're not at that
elevation.
[23:31] » I'm not sure there's much to be done
about that.
[23:33] » If there is any need for that, we can
definitely work with it to make sure
[23:38] that like in a better way. Yeah, you
might you might pick us a run up to the
[23:44] cemeteries part
anyway
[23:47] » and we could definitely increase like
either the screening control or extend
[23:51] the roof further like we very
>> well I just it occurred to me because it
[23:57] was a concern over another project and
one of those things we're all volunteers
[24:02] right so we're not necessarily
professional stuff and some of this
[24:06] stuff doesn't occur to us you know
sometimes
[24:10] Um, I also there's been there's been
in looking at it was a little shocked
[24:17] because it's not sort of what we've been
hearing about for the last few years,
[24:22] right?
>> And because it's a quite a large
[24:25] building that that popped in there. Um,
I was wondering drove by there uh over
[24:33] the weekend to to take a little bit
closer look, spend a little time
[24:37] reflecting on it and that parcel has a
fair amount of smoke to it.
[24:41] » Yeah. If you go to the front
[24:46] » Yeah. And then there's so there's sort
of a BM at the back, a natural hill or
[24:50] BM that would
um screen the building from highway
[24:56] side.
My question is, is the building going to
[25:00] be is the is the building pad going to
be cut into or are we talking about bill
[25:08] to raise because
>> it it will be like we can't again
[25:15] the previous architect and the civil
engineer are not completely on our team
[25:22] yet.
What we want to do is come up with the
[25:25] best solution for public access. We
don't want it to sit on a hill and the
[25:31] tree is put down. So our pad needs to be
closed enough for accessibility for
[25:36] access to the part the building itself
from the other side. It's possible that
[25:44] you may end up with
graining it slightly differently.
[25:48] » Yeah. The reason we show the elevation
that way I wanted to be clear that there
[25:53] is possible that graded that way
>> but
[25:59] in speaking to the civil engineer they
thought that like it might be because we
[26:04] don't want to cut too much from that. So
we created a sort of boundary at the top
[26:11] right but past that uh this possible
I don't call it like slope up and then
[26:20] down. So what you'll be seeing from
previous side could possibly be like one
[26:25] one and a half.
Yeah, it's um it'll be interesting. I
[26:31] because I am it is that visual impact
that's
[26:35] » talking about that visual impact
going to be what amongst the large build
[26:47] um
[26:51] uh I was
well I shouldn't be I wasn't surprised I
[26:56] was curious all the parking and I guess
that the position forward so that the it
[27:02] is as accessible basically pedestrian
accessible
[27:06] » and I think the planning guidelines are
that you don't want parking like you
[27:11] don't want to be a mall further away the
building needs to be part of the city
[27:15] and parking is
>> ideally I would prefer like to avoid
[27:20] that much parking but it's a requirement
for
[27:25] » yeah I was curious because it so there
will be there's intended to pedestrian
[27:30] access then on that side of the building
parking as well.
[27:34] » Definitely I know
>> I just marked it like we just completely
[27:39] dissolve that but what we were thinking
is like you walking through from the
[27:43] street there a pedestrian gateway walk
through like pathway with seating
[27:49] benches
and green area and then come to like an
[27:53] entry plaza and building it. Yeah, it's
it's um
[27:59] Kaiser Kaiser
reminds me of the Kaiser Village.
[28:11] » Okay.
>> Okay. Um
[28:18] I think and oh yeah and I guess the
obvious question is about the zoning um
[28:24] previous conversations that I've had um
with Rosa Vivian um and it's been a
[28:32] while had a conversation,
>> but they it had um there was talk about
[28:38] incorporating the housing and the
clinic and having it be spread over more
[28:44] campus arrangement and I'm curious what
why that changed and we went to this
[28:51] sort of format and I'm wondering if it
had to do with
[28:53] » the big church is probably a little
more.
[28:56] » Yeah. Yeah.
Commissioner um the and the magnitude of
[29:03] projected
I mean we're looking at likely 30 $30
[29:08] million plus project um you know
everything that goes into
[29:15] like this. So, a little bit had to do
with the financial side of it. Um, but
[29:21] the mixed use side of it, uh, we
understand Ariel's been totally clear on
[29:27] what is going to be expected of of the
thing. Um, and of course the condition
[29:33] as we look at that, but it is going to
be our goal when we design this parcel.
[29:38] But it'll be our goal in in the back of
our mind that we are going to develop
[29:44] the other bar school for um healthcare
and supportive housing. Um
[29:50] obviously we're looking at those dances.
I think you guys are maybe going through
[29:53] changes and dances as well. So not
exactly sure where we're going to land
[29:58] there. We also understand commercial
component. Uh so I guess from day on
[30:03] street I think about two on that parcel
there will be a commercial likely
[30:07] abundance street and so as we continue
this design we're going to take that
[30:13] into consideration because we're going
to want it really to be I don't want to
[30:18] say necessarily seamless but pretty
seamless right where you have that
[30:22] natural transition between both
um the the little triangle I'll I'll
[30:29] call
where we're hoping to get this uh you
[30:33] know hoping to pursue this plotline
adjustment really did change how we were
[30:39] able to figure site plan of project
because just with that little diamond
[30:44] popping out it just yeah it was kind of
funky
[30:50] old renderings of the elongated building
um that was really always good to work
[30:56] with it and then of course you see is
considering a roundabout out. So we have
[31:00] to take that into consideration
come out of that conversation but not
[31:07] » that news to me where what I have not
heard that where the round
[31:12] » yeah there have been discussions at the
council of government regarding a
[31:15] potential roundabout
at 156
[31:23] » but um
roundabout
[31:28] the Alama
[31:31] Street.
>> I haven't heard the Alamita, but just
[31:36] heard that. Um, and again, those are
just ideas that were thrown out during a
[31:41] council government discussion. Um I
don't represent goodness
[31:48] but um but you know all those things are
[31:54] » the zoning and just one last point
the zoning component of it are totally
[32:00] clear on what's allowed and not allowed.
So, you know, we do that line adjustment
[32:08] like we pursue test and allow us to at
least be able to use that that
[32:16] moving forward.
[32:20] Okay.
[32:24] Yeah, I think that is
I'm anxious to hear comments from the
[32:31] public and then maybe some
[32:35] Thanks very much.
>> Thank you. I don't have any questions at
[32:40] this time.
[32:44] I do want to say it's good to have you
here.
[33:04] » Okay, those are my editorial comments.
Let's open up public comment. Um, do we
[33:08] have some speaker?
>> Yes, we do. Um in chambers we have Mary
[33:13] Edge
[33:20] three minutes with
starting
[33:31] congratulations
commission.
[33:38] Um I'm here uh this evening representing
uh the Mary Senior Center. Um we have
[33:45] been um a nonprofit since uh 2024 and um
we have been looking for a place for us
[33:58] to um have a senior center.
Currently we make lunch every Wednesday
[34:07] for seniors and we have increased in
numbers. Our numbers are up to just
[34:13] under
a weekly basis and they pass. Um
[34:21] so as commission commissioner Mara knows
we he tried to help us come up with a
[34:29] with an idea but it just didn't work.
and the city of Sam is just so unique
[34:36] that there isn't an awful lot for us to
go and so um uh Rosa Vision and I have
[34:46] collaborated and we have joined forces
in in um having the senior center there
[34:53] at this time. So, um we're here in
support of this project and um that's
[35:03] the reason I'm here today to let you
know that um we hope that you will
[35:07] consider it and it will be a home for um
the senior.
[35:19] » Okay. the next chambers. So we have
Victoria
[35:23] support.
[35:33] » Okay. So up next we have Sarah Bon.
[35:41] » Thank you members of the planning
commission.
[35:45] Um my comments will address primarily
landscape as well as lovely design. Uh I
[35:54] just want to give you a little bit of
background. This is the mission garden
[35:58] directly across the street from this and
I was on a citizens committee that
[36:04] redesigned.
that started out as a bunch of sheet
[36:08] monoke
[36:12] and I am the last member standing of the
four people who were on that commission.
[36:18] There was Georgian Rebecca McGovern
Larry King who was city manager at the
[36:25] time and the mover and shaker Richard
and he's the one that hired Branch Holly
[36:32] the very noted prep attorney because
this was the one to our historic town
[36:40] and with her assistance too we were able
to get some change.
[36:46] Um so and they the uh developer
architect young architect who actually
[36:55] looked at the entire town and noted that
the design of our town is very fine
[37:00] grain. We have a lot of small buildings
and that's why the mission improvements.
[37:08] They're like they look like individual
little cottages
[37:12] which is a very traditional look. And
then we wanted to make sure that we had
[37:19] planting strips
between the sidewalk and the street with
[37:25] trees. And the vision was to have
something similar on the other side of
[37:31] the street where
health facility is going to be built
[37:36] now. Uh we were hoping for the large um
London plain trees like you see at the
[37:43] other entrance into town on first
street. A beautiful treelined boulevard
[37:50] and the street is very wide there. that
we were even hoping that there might be
[37:55] even a century divide in that street
with beautiful large trees.
[38:02] So um oh okay I I don't know why when
people come and propose something we
[38:11] have commission back still
vaccin
[38:20] we started with the gas station across
the street started out like that too I'm
[38:24] very concerned it's not going to look
like an Orange County shopping center
[38:28] which the people across the street and
these lovely department are going to be
[38:32] looking for each. So I'm concerned about
the size. It is the gateway. It doesn't
[38:40] really respect
the soul in my opinion of our city, but
[38:47] I'm certainly not healthy. Thank you.
[38:55] » Next in chambers, we have
Dr.
[39:09] Hope you can hear me.
My name is Dr. Sh. I have worked at the
[39:15] foundation for almost 15 years. In the
15 years I worked there, I've gained
[39:23] tremendous change in all because of the
spirit and the work of one person. And
[39:29] then
[39:35] she has the vision, she has the stamina,
she has the knowhow of bringing this to
[39:41] life and I really
um
[39:46] I have heard of people against it or
because they don't want changes. This
[39:52] may change for the better. You know it's
going to be a big thing. given quite
[39:57] good services over there and I I think
there
[40:09] chambers we have Karen Stacy who may now
first report.
[40:16] [clears throat]
>> Hi everybody. Um I just wanted to say
[40:20] that the Mary senior senator um in
memory of my mom my mom was a social
[40:28] worker here in this county for over 30
years. She took care of everybody
[40:35] and mind you she was a single mother of
five kids and she still provided for
[40:42] other people.
uh we went to private school anyway
[40:47] and I just want to carry on this legacy.
She uh always made sure somebody had
[40:52] some
death knows my mom real well and so does
[40:58] Chris.
So I just I I I'm excited for this
[41:04] building.
I want it to succeed.
[41:11] I
it's been just an incredible thing to
[41:17] have to see
how far you have come in memory of my
[41:24] mom.
I hope you get through. Thank you Ariel.
[41:29] Thank you everybody.
[41:33] Next in chambers we have Mickey.
We're still going to have three minutes.
[41:43] Good evening everyone and it's nice to
be here and see Ariel again
[41:51] and Chris um I've known you for a while
now you know the work that we do and the
[41:57] coalition of county who I am president
current president right now so
[42:04] my reasoning for coming here I'm from a
corner vice mayor and becomes my city.
[42:12] But my husband is here. This Luna
Vietnam veteran, my sister-in-law,
[42:18] Henrietta Lino,
who retired from the state park here.
[42:25] But let me tell you, the historical
review is that the Luna family was one
[42:31] of the largest families that I can think
in 15 children. My husband is pregnant
[42:39] and
59 years ago we took the oath of office
[42:44] of his marriage as a mission.
So even if we live in Hollister, his
[42:50] heart is always
and let me tell you when I read about
[42:56] this concept and project I I nearly
thought that wow this is what Sanino
[43:04] County needs not only the city of
and but when you look around and you see
[43:12] the meaning of health issues Santo
County and concerns that people have.
[43:18] This is the project. This is a project
that can solve so many issues and
[43:24] concerns in Sacramento County. And I
before you because I had been
[43:29] underground I was born in Raven
Hollister, but I can tell you within the
[43:34] 38 years that the Latino Coalition has
existed in Sacramento County, we can
[43:39] just about write a book about health
issues, about anything that comes before
[43:44] us. And let me tell you one thing that
is extremely important is health in
[43:50] Sanino County. And I can tell you also
while you're doing a historical review
[43:55] of families
even Mexico City is concerned about
[44:03] because we are looking right now at a
sister city and before they said how big
[44:10] and you don't have those health
concerns. I mean they got the biggest
[44:14] universities in in medicine in Mexico
and when they are mentioning the things
[44:21] I think you should know that you should
know that and what Victor just presented
[44:25] about connections with other
universities it's true it's very true
[44:30] because even out of the country people
are looking at
[44:34] so when I look back to and think of my
mother-in-law that lived in a branch
[44:41] over here worked off the pillows and
everybody else
[44:45] 15 children there and she died at the
age of 63
[44:50] because she didn't have the medical
assistance that she needed and it's sad
[44:57] it really sad that if
she hit the 101 or they go the other way
[45:04] to college to get new medical services
and I'm thinking that I think some will
[45:11] be on M on project. So that's that was
my words to you today tonight and I just
[45:19] feel that if you ever need assistance,
if you ever need somebody to speak to
[45:24] you about the issues and concerns of San
County, we're here coalition county.
[45:31] Thank you.
>> Next chambers we have Paul
[45:38] » my four pendants.
[45:46] My name is Phil.
[laughter]
[45:52] I'm a family member
there,
[45:58] president of Rotary
uh here in town. We live here since we
[46:04] moved here in 71. wanted to speak in
favor of what the foundation is trying
[46:10] to build San Juan. San Juan has a lot of
issues and negative
[46:20] images in the greater world. You know
that we can't pull it together, we can't
[46:26] agree on anything, we can't do anything
and so forth. Here we have a project
[46:32] from an organization that historically
I've known them and worked with them for
[46:36] over 40 something years since they
started has demonstrated with the
[46:41] creation of their building with the
state-ofthe-art
[46:45] in Hollister that fit right into that
neighborhood.
[46:48] uh the way that they have approached
this project and working with you, I
[46:53] think it's a wonderful opportunity to
demonstrate what is possible even in
[47:02] small rural underserved areas. Uh this
goes in tandem to our broadband project
[47:11] that we had started five years ago and
will be completed in 6 to8 months which
[47:16] was a $32 million project that benefited
our area. We will now have the best in
[47:24] I'm using that as an example of what is
possible here. As long as you all work
[47:29] together and we can demonstrate for best
practices, the specifics about how it
[47:35] ends up looking and so forth, it will be
a people serving and pleasant to look at
[47:42] size and so forth. That's all
negotiable.
[47:45] I'm not afraid of big buildings
just to say that because it's about the
[47:51] compromise and service and so forth as
long as it's well done. And it just
[47:56] seems to me that the professionality
already I get a good feeling. I come
[48:00] from the arts community and you got to
talk about feeling and doing stuff. All
[48:04] right. And we cannot forget that. And
things are possible and uh I don't get
[48:10] so nostalgic about the vacant fields out
there that I've been seeing for almost
[48:16] 50 years. You know, uh here's something
that that's positive
[48:21] for people and and good built for the
community. Plus you can provide some
[48:25] local jobs and housing like that. This
is the thing that most people have been
[48:30] coming here for so many years. So think
about that and work towards a working
[48:36] together as obviously some artistic
to give you that support. Thank you very
[48:43] much.
Next in chambers we have Victoria.
[48:49] You may now approach the
[48:56] Good evening
and I'm
[49:00] part of the board but I'm here speaking
not as a board member but as a register
[49:06] for and my story is going to be not a
story about it's just like a statement
[49:13] from where I came to where I am. I came
from Texas in 1957
[49:21] and that town had everything in one
time.
[49:25] Even though the town was the railroad
divided the black, the Mexicans and the
[49:32] blacks from the white and we moved here
and we also lived in and we had a lot of
[49:41] life. I was very happy to live here even
though I was living in a labor camp. But
[49:47] now I am an older lady and now I have a
moral story to say that at one time we
[49:56] were together at every now
like a railroad where all the wealthy
[50:05] are in the hill on the outside of the
town which is the one too all the
[50:12] wealthy moving on the Friday night and
the poor people in center of city
[50:18] [clears throat]
like a ghost I call a ghost town I call
[50:24] a ghost town and there's a moral that
says this country has
[50:31] to be built to bring tourist
when I join the border I have no idea
[50:38] but I I compare now to the terms of
state and so the moral story is when
[50:45] guilty why they find money and not work.
And this is the background in my mind. I
[50:50] say we we have not improved. We just
changed it a little bit. We can all go
[50:56] to the same grocery store in the
Starbucks. But as a
[51:02] political background on the roof
history is we haven't changed and that's
[51:09] why I'm here compared to from one became
the same. Thank you.
[51:20] We have
[51:27] » we have phone number 8314
310993
[51:33] now.
[51:38] You have three minutes.
[51:54] Are you there?
Why don't we go? Maybe they can come
[51:58] back
next.
[52:07] » I'm sorry. Did you hear me?
Can you hear me now?
[52:14] » Can you hear me?
>> Uh, this is John Hopper. I'm not who
[52:19] sure who's speaking.
>> This is Aradio.
[52:23] » Hopper, if you can hear me, we cannot
hear you. We're trying to fix that. Hold
[52:26] on one second.
>> Well, let me just start again. Uh, my
[52:30] name is Arcadia Vos and I'm the chair of
the board of San Bonito Health
[52:35] Foundation. I have served in that
capacity for over 10 years and I am very
[52:42] excited that uh our organization
is uh launching this this uh program for
[52:50] the benefit of San Bonito
uh county primarily for San Juan
[52:56] Bautista which will be the center of
this new uh concept uh in healthc care
[53:04] uh that in this country we have a
shortage of physicians
[53:09] and no one I I shouldn't say no one but
a few are dedicated to
[53:17] uh begin the process of educating new uh
generations of primary care doctors uh
[53:25] physicians dentists uh social workers
you name it and the best way to train
[53:34] this future providers ers of care is
that uh they could train in a community
[53:42] of need and certainly uh Sahama Baptista
is a community of need and we feel very
[53:48] uh committed to this process. Uh and we
thank you for the opportunity you give
[53:54] us to present this project. It's going
to be a jewel. Uh long time ago I used
[54:01] to be a healthc care executive and I
used to travel this way to the coast
[54:06] from the Fresno area and um I always
stopped at San Bernito Health Foundation
[54:11] because I always uh felt that that
clinic was the best looking clinic of
[54:17] all the clinics in California.
So the new uh the new thing that is
[54:22] going to happen is that Sanapista
probably be the best looking clinic in
[54:29] the state of California as well. So,
we're committed to this 30 $300 uh
[54:35] million dollar pro, excuse me, $30
million project. And uh we are uh uh
[54:42] taking in consideration the uh needs
that the community has voices that they
[54:48] need for us to address and certainly the
design of the facility has to meet those
[54:54] needs. That's why we created the second
story uh concept because we want to
[55:01] serve our elderly uh and also people
that are u uh immobile or they need uh
[55:08] therapy so they can uh live a very
healthy life. So thank you very much and
[55:14] I'm looking forward to uh meet you in
person. I was there earlier, but the
[55:22] meeting uh we heard it was cancelled, so
I came back to my home. That's why I'm
[55:26] doing it from from the phone. Thank you
very much. And looking forward to
[55:32] working with your staff and and we and
the board and also the city council.
[55:38] » Thank you, sir. Can we get your name?
You were cut off at the beginning. Could
[55:42] you give us your name, please?
[55:59] Okay, for the minute you have that long
[56:19] Next we have John Hopper. John Hopper,
you have been engaged.
[56:25] » Thank you. U Mr. Chairman and members of
commission, first I just wanted to say
[56:31] thank you from the bottom of my heart to
you new commissioners that have joined
[56:36] tonight. Uh and for those of you that
don't know me, I spent many years
[56:42] sitting in your seat and as chairman of
your commission. I'm a 40 or former city
[56:47] council member and mayor of this city.
So, I just want to thank you for joining
[56:52] the commission and giving up an
important time to this cause. I'd like
[56:57] to start off by just emphasizing that um
this is a huge building
[57:03] and
regardless of the merits or what have
[57:08] you, let's just keep in mind this is a
really huge building. Uh, I just became
[57:14] really familiar with this project today
when I read the Bonito link u article
[57:21] and when I looked at the artist
renderings it kind of looked to me
[57:24] something like the medical clinics like
on Abbott Street and Selenus Selenus or
[57:28] what have you just an observation
um
[57:34] so to that end this just needs to be
done right if it's going to be done on
[57:38] this scale and size u some of my points
here aren't necessarily in order of
[57:44] theme because I just jotted down these
notes before this meeting. Um, but there
[57:48] was a mission in the the Bonita Link
article about the gate and I don't
[57:53] understand what that dilemma is all
about or what that really means, but I'm
[57:58] not really sure we need a gated uh
commercial facility. Um, maybe it's for
[58:04] security, what have you, but I think
that should be looked at. The other
[58:08] thing I want to really focus on is those
of us that have been involved in
[58:14] politics in this town, served on
commissions and on the council. We
[58:19] always looked at this commercial parcel
as kind of a jewel, something we had in
[58:26] our back pocket that would, you know, be
very promising the city. This particular
[58:33] project does not bring forward any toot
taxes
[58:39] and those are transient obviously taxes.
It brings no sales tax opportunities and
[58:46] just having said that I I don't want to
take away from the public health needs
[58:51] of the community because I'm also very
passionate about that.
[58:56] I also want to point out and I it was
the audio is very bad in this meeting
[59:01] and I think Carol Blanc was speaking to
this but keep in mind that adjacent
[59:05] public uh or parcel when I was either on
the planning commission or the council
[59:10] we made sure that that property was
reszoned from its current zoning which I
[59:16] think was residential to mixed use with
the same theme that
[59:22] it could provide housing and yet also So
provide commercial opportunities where
[59:27] those were sales tax generating or just
office spaces similar to like the Ted
[59:33] Tony property that's across uh down the
street. The other thing I just think
[59:38] that we should be cognizant of if this
moves forward and perhaps a condition
[59:44] approval uh as regarding future use. We
should make sure some guarantees
[59:50] concerning the property
use as approved stays to just what it is
[59:57] and doesn't become something else in the
future if that happens. Um, and make
[1:00:03] sure those restrictions apply to future,
you know, land owners.
[1:00:09] The last question I have relative to
this particular use, and again, I'm not
[1:00:14] dismissing the public health need. I'm
just wondering if a needs survey has
[1:00:19] been done to actually determine that
this is needed in our town, in our
[1:00:25] community, or is there maybe a better
use for this property? Um,
[1:00:33] I I I I don't know what that really
means and and and I was not aware of the
[1:00:38] educational component which may be of
high benefit. And then the last thing is
[1:00:44] the funding sources of this. I'm not
really sure where that comes from. My
[1:00:48] wife served on the uh health foundation
board for many years and and so my guess
[1:00:54] is maybe this is federal grants or local
monies. I'm not sure. But I think we as
[1:01:00] a city also have
[1:01:06] that those funds are utilized
>> in the attention they're intended.
[1:01:17] speaker.
[1:01:21] » Thank you for your
[1:01:32] » Who's next?
>> Christina Vasquez.
[1:01:35] You have three minutes.
>> Hi everyone. My name is Christina
[1:01:40] Vasquez. Um uh I'm the I represent I
would like to say that I represent the
[1:01:47] school district in this time just
because I'm the president of the ELAC
[1:01:53] committee of San Juan Bautista. I'm also
a counselor at ANSAR as a Rotarian
[1:02:01] with our internet club that we have
there. Um I'm also the DAC president. So
[1:02:07] I'm very close to the families in town
and in the school district and I really
[1:02:14] know h all of the needs that we have in
talking about health services. On the
[1:02:20] other side, I'm also um a mother of an
special needs kids and I suffer a lot
[1:02:29] from the
h services that we we need a lot of
[1:02:34] services that we can found there. Erh it
is also a need that I think that nobody
[1:02:41] has expressed that the foundation is a
big big big thing for the Spanish
[1:02:48] community.
and uh all of us which is also the part
[1:02:54] that I represent. We need a service that
can speak our language and that can
[1:03:00] understand our background and our
culture and especially being very close
[1:03:06] with the school families. I can
understand
[1:03:10] especially that need and
also again for example I can't be there
[1:03:16] right now just because I had to take my
son to physical therapy
[1:03:22] very far away and I I wish we could have
more services and the families really
[1:03:29] really would appreciate these kind of
projects in out.
[1:03:40] » Thank you. There are no additional
public comments on Zoom or Chambers.
[1:03:46] Okay.
[1:03:55] » I I can respond to something.
>> That's all right. Or
[1:04:00] » you or you want to wait for the end?
>> Yeah.
[1:04:05] But we'll give you some time.
>> All right.
[1:04:14] Church. So
the conversation then comes to this
[1:04:19] commission. Who would like to go first?
Volunteers.
[1:04:30] Um, but I appreciate public comment.
Thank you everybody. Um,
[1:04:36] you guys heard the the concerns about
scale. I think that was pretty loud to
[1:04:42] hear what the solution is that given as
I don't know but something obviously
[1:04:50] it's concern that should probably be
revisited. Um, I had a couple of
[1:04:55] questions that just sort of popped into
my head. Pharmacy is there pharmacy on
[1:04:59] site?
>> Do you know?
[1:05:07] » It looks like the interior plan is
fairly generic.
[1:05:12] » So, we haven't reached that.
[1:05:17] » Oh, yeah. So,
we haven't reached that stage yet, but
[1:05:21] you'll definitely post it as something
moving and if something makes sense for
[1:05:27] the planning commission to either
include or exclude.
[1:05:31] » No. Yeah, no problem. I was just I I
assumed that was the case given the
[1:05:36] layout, but I was
missing.
[1:05:40] No. Um I think it would be interesting.
Um there's been a couple of different um
[1:05:48] architectural styles
uh sort of the names thrown out and I
[1:05:54] think it would be valuable or
instructive to perhaps have a little
[1:05:59] tutorial about what those are. Um and I
so I made notes about mission revival
[1:06:06] versus Spanish colonial or Spanish
revival versus Mediterranean. some of
[1:06:12] this stuff sort of blends together.
>> Absolutely.
[1:06:14] » And then there's some mon side
>> those. Um, so to to me this
[1:06:23] to me it would be more natural to have
it be have it closer tie into the
[1:06:28] Monterey style
because you know the broader community
[1:06:33] some examples in town as opposed to I
think Carol made the comment about being
[1:06:39] trying to make a mission back to Italy.
>> I thought that was a very good comment.
[1:06:44] Um, somebody else mentioned Santa
Barbara and this it clicked in my head
[1:06:48] that this like it would fit in Santa
Barbara and it I like it. I find it I
[1:06:53] think it's very attractive building. I
think it would be interesting to have a
[1:06:58] little more clarity because I think
you're all bringing set different
[1:07:01] experiences and not have your love
training for some of the nuances between
[1:07:07] some of these architectural class.
>> Absolutely. So just to clarify like in
[1:07:13] terms of like we were trying to address
what we felt had been brought up prior.
[1:07:19] » Understood.
>> Uh so we were sort of addressing that
[1:07:23] » but it's not to say that's why we didn't
come here with a final design to say
[1:07:28] this is it approve it or I'm out of here
right this is more to me as a engagement
[1:07:34] process. This is the time where we're
saying that like does this belong to
[1:07:39] here? Does this seem right? Does he seem
right? Like all those things are real
[1:07:45] open discussion.
Same thing with the landscaping. Like is
[1:07:49] the landscaping something I would like
to discuss this city. Are there plans
[1:07:54] for developing the street? Are there
central islands? No.
[1:07:58] » But on my drive, it didn't seem like
there was anything going to happen there
[1:08:03] for a while. So I don't know what plan
is but like if city public works and
[1:08:09] somebody wants to get involved with us
and let give us more feedback.
[1:08:13] Well, somewhere in Ashley's
>> office
[1:08:27] [laughter]
[1:08:30] was to create some land separation
between the street and building so that
[1:08:36] it sort of scales them down a little
bit.
[1:08:41] » Um there so a previous a city manager
design a streetscape for for McCollamy
[1:08:49] and I'm sure the drawings are somewhere
in Ashley's office but for a divided
[1:08:54] road with the center a very beautiful
plant center central planter uh and a
[1:09:01] small roundabout at the at that at that
intersection basically of Monterey
[1:09:08] and that would be it would be
interesting I think to back to be
[1:09:13] drenched.
>> Yeah,
[1:09:15] » probably be incor and potentially be
incorporated into
[1:09:20] the overall product.
Um yeah. Um I one of my concerns about
[1:09:27] the about McCullum Street is parking
parking on street already very
[1:09:33] difficult. And I wonder if there might
also be a way to accommodate angle
[1:09:39] parking
the entire property so that we can
[1:09:43] increase the number of street parking
space and that of course will approach
[1:09:48] onto the property some but I think that
will be of value to the community.
[1:09:53] » We can keep it in mind. But my take on
it overall is like you want to promote
[1:10:00] people walking.
>> Yeah.
[1:10:02] » Cars won't help.
>> And we're in California. We all got five
[1:10:07] cars.
>> I'm with you. I got
[1:10:10] » right.
I'm saying and I'm I'm think
[1:10:19] issues happening now. people driving
fast, seniors trying to cross the road
[1:10:24] and somebody hit them. So, keeping the
cars away is probably a better thing and
[1:10:30] creating more pedestrian friendly
approach to the building.
[1:10:36] » I got you. But I'm telling you, we need
more park.
[1:10:41] You're not going to get away from
California.
[1:10:46] » Um
I mean at this stage I Let's let's uh
[1:10:51] try to keep it down out there.
[1:10:56] » And the desire like I'm not trying to
dismiss that like I'm just saying that
[1:11:00] like that would be my best feeling like
we don't want to do it but if the city
[1:11:05] wants it and the community wants it. I
think it should be like I don't see any
[1:11:10] problem with that.
Um
[1:11:14] yeah, I just there's
we heard a lot of great feedback from
[1:11:20] the community. The scope and scale of
the services provided was enlightening.
[1:11:26] Um and I think uh one of the things that
we wanted to keep in mind is that they
[1:11:31] are the zoning is
driving the to a fairly large extent. I
[1:11:39] think the scope and scale of building so
you know that I think you know there
[1:11:46] there's there's certain well I'll speak
for myself I'm I have no issue with
[1:11:51] revisiting zoning if that if that is an
advent
[1:11:56] I don't think that's a real problem for
you some sort of change there
[1:12:03] out that's my personal
that's all that I have
[1:12:10] Yeah, sure.
[1:12:13] » Close to the mic.
[1:12:22] » I think that this is a
a good project. Um, I was really happy
[1:12:28] to hear that the senior center would be
Mary Mary Velasco
[1:12:35] senior center would be included. And you
know, I was thinking about that and I
[1:12:39] thought, you know what else down the
would be nice if it could be included is
[1:12:43] also a wellness center where we could
have a gym. I know that that's really
[1:12:48] needed and then, you know, something for
yoga, lobby, whatever. But I thought
[1:12:54] that that would be nice to incorporate
something like that and that that would
[1:12:57] give between the senior center and the
gym you have a benefit for the entire
[1:13:03] community. So I thought that that was
really nice. Yes, the building is really
[1:13:08] big and I'm
boy I need visuals. So I'm going to
[1:13:13] throw something out. I don't know if
you're familiar with it, but Montage
[1:13:17] Health in Marina, they are located at
Immun Second. Would you happen to know
[1:13:24] how that building I'm very familiar with
that building, so how that was compared
[1:13:30] to what you're proposing?
>> Yes, because I can, you know, that's a
[1:13:36] big
>> We can definitely look into that and get
[1:13:39] back to you.
>> Okay, that'd be great. Just because I'm
[1:13:41] more visual and looking it on paper.
Sure.
[1:13:46] » So the existing
uh
[1:13:52] health foundation
about 18,000 square foot on a single
[1:13:57] level.
>> Okay.
[1:13:58] » So if you want to drive by there, take a
look at that. So you can see that it's
[1:14:03] not
>> very big. I think it's the second story
[1:14:07] that adds a little bit more volume.
>> Sure. But um as I said like with the
[1:14:14] grading, the landscaping and even
probably modifying the masking as we
[1:14:20] move along, I think we make it look
right.
[1:14:22] » Okay. Thank you. And I'm not opposed to
changing the zoning either.
[1:14:27] » Okay.
>> So, no problem with that. Um
[1:14:30] what else? Oh, the historic house. I'm
just curious. Is that been resolved? I I
[1:14:36] mean that I I know it. I know,
>> but I needed to bring it up because you
[1:14:41] know in the listing we did talk about it
>> big house.
[1:14:45] » No, no, I know.
>> Yeah, we uh we were evaluating that that
[1:14:50] next door right on the on the adjacent
parcel. Um we even thought about maybe
[1:14:55] considering trying to maybe rehab some
of the units, but they're past that
[1:15:00] stage, right?
>> And so I think uh we're Ariel and I have
[1:15:06] been talking about this back and forth.
So uh we are uh in the process the city
[1:15:11] does have a process for processing sorry
process for processing uh the uh removal
[1:15:18] of that home um and will likely ask you
to bond that
[1:15:26] to that we would likely have to come
before you.
[1:15:29] » Yes. um for this body. Um the
commissioners also serve on resources
[1:15:36] board.
[1:15:40] » You will definitely hear
>> curious, you know, I don't care one way
[1:15:44] or another.
[1:15:48] » Well, we'll have to because of that um
reason uh we will definitely have to uh
[1:15:55] go through that, you know, historical
process to make sure we
[1:15:59] » Okay. appropriate.
>> Thank you. Couple more questions.
[1:16:03] Covered parking,
I was curious about that. Most places
[1:16:07] don't have
covered parking. Are you planning on
[1:16:10] putting solar panels on
>> more
[1:16:15] parking?
>> Yeah,
[1:16:17] » we could definitely consider that. Like
that's not an issue.
[1:16:20] » I I do really quick. I do want to
mention that we have been in
[1:16:24] conversation
step back. sustainability is is
[1:16:30] important and it's a part of our
conversation. Uh it's part of the
[1:16:35] conversation at the clinic in West Her
went through. Um now we have chargers
[1:16:41] and and all of that good stuff. But um
just last week I had a a fantastic
[1:16:46] conversation with um um ecology action
and talked about sustainability on-site
[1:16:52] sustainability and what we can do to um
you know promote um you know clean air
[1:16:59] and um environmental you know um
sensitivities around this project. So
[1:17:05] those conversations are having I
appreciate you bringing that up. But it
[1:17:10] goes even further than just even um you
know solar panels parking. We're talking
[1:17:15] about um trying to capture some you know
rain water. We're talking about you know
[1:17:21] and repurposing of course and then also
talking about battery storage and the
[1:17:25] opportunity for um battery backup. have
it currently at our site in Hollister,
[1:17:31] but um we definitely need to be with
that occur. We would likely be looked at
[1:17:38] and maybe even be considered as part of
the emergency
[1:17:42] um you know emergency processes right in
any community.
[1:17:50] » And really quick, commissioner, I do
want to you're like you're ahead of it
[1:17:54] already on the wellness component of it.
That is the discussion we've had. It is
[1:17:59] something we're going to work in. Uh
we've even talked about uh potentially
[1:18:04] creating using the space as much as
possible in creating an outdoor space.
[1:18:10] Um I was involved in a project in a
master plan community in North College
[1:18:17] where we did a a linear
um a linear
[1:18:22] exercise park.
>> So the the park is actually
[1:18:27] 2300 linear feet. Um, and it it is a
park and it's about 40 feet wide. It
[1:18:33] goes on the curve of the Hollister
bypass Highway 75. You see a small
[1:18:37] portion right now that's actually built,
but as those two develop it will be a
[1:18:43] continuous park and every um 150 feet or
so you have exercise equipment. Um, and
[1:18:51] um that was actually one of the things
folks were really excited about. So,
[1:18:55] we're even thinking about not just
indoor wellness and yoga and things like
[1:18:59] that, but potentially wrapping some a
little bit of outdoor opportunities for
[1:19:04] for wellness to come.
>> That's great.
[1:19:06] » And just one more comment. I love that
you have an herb garden in there.
[1:19:12] » Yeah, we're super excited about that. We
want to make sure and of course in
[1:19:15] collaboration um with the Blasco Senior
Center uh we definitely want to make
[1:19:21] sure that um it's not just about healthy
eating and and and cooking and making
[1:19:27] sure that we are uh you know showing our
seniors how to cook healthier um but
[1:19:33] also using you know a lot of folks
including myself. I have a a home garden
[1:19:38] and um and we use everything that that
we grow. My wife is on
[1:19:44] climate an orchard on our property which
I'm excited about.
[1:19:49] So, but we want to make sure that folks
that are growing in their own personal
[1:19:53] community gardens um have an opportunity
to learn how to use what actually
[1:19:58] growing and learn how to and hopefully
learn that at our at our site.
[1:20:03] » Sounds great. Thank you.
[1:20:07] » That all right. Thank you.
[1:20:18] Thank you, Ch.
I'm gonna let's call around here. So, I
[1:20:23] do apologize.
Um,
[1:20:29] the first thing
is
[1:20:35] brown, not the rest of the commission.
So this is I'm going to say that I am
[1:20:40] very excited about this and I do believe
that the rest of the commission is too.
[1:20:45] I do not believe it's a matter of if but
when this project comes to fruition. And
[1:20:50] I want to be clear that the
communication
[1:20:53] that I would like to have isn't we need
to justify it. Let's work together so
[1:20:59] that we make it happen. Our job here is
to and I don't know a better way to say
[1:21:05] this off the top of my head. protect the
city's interest. As you heard tonight,
[1:21:10] there is a wide variety of opinions on
the building. With that being said, I
[1:21:16] know we can we can come to an agreement
and work together. So, my request is be
[1:21:22] open. Please try not to take anything
personally that is us giving you your
[1:21:28] ideas. And I personally love your
advice. I'm another Chinese girl, so you
[1:21:33] go. But in all seriousness, let's work
together. That's what this is about,
[1:21:40] okay? And let's create something
absolutely beautiful that this town can
[1:21:45] be proud about on all levels. Not only
are we serving the community, not only
[1:21:52] are we serving an underserved community,
not only are we serving minorities as
[1:21:57] well as majority, by the way,
um, but we're also serving those who
[1:22:03] desperately need it. And then we can
have a beautiful, beautiful campus that,
[1:22:09] and when I say that, I don't mean it in
a a negative way. I mean a creative
[1:22:14] beautiful structure that we are proud of
and can represent it very well. So with
[1:22:22] that being said,
I absolutely love the fact that the
[1:22:27] senior center is going to live there. I
love the fact that they're going to have
[1:22:30] a permanent home.
I love the beautiful renovations.
[1:22:44] Go get them. We need more positive
events in today's society. And we need
[1:22:49] to work together. And that's what I want
to stress. We are here to work together,
[1:22:53] not to decide good. We're here to decide
what's going to work best for this
[1:22:59] community. And with that being said, on
the list, you ready?
[1:23:05] Um, the architecture. So, I did my
research and uh, looking over the
[1:23:11] architecture, I see a lot of mixes in
your rendering of mission tile, the bell
[1:23:19] tower, the
Mediterranean and the Lucian trend, the
[1:23:25] broad iron, the contrasting stone.
um Moorish Arches to a certain extent
[1:23:31] and a touch of Monteray which all of
them I love but I feel like they're all
[1:23:36] kind of inter
[1:23:44] one
overriding divine element in my opinion
[1:23:49] I would like to see mission
um revival because I think it goes with
[1:23:55] what we have here
Um, the mission Sam Carlos the mission
[1:24:00] in Carmel is one of my favorites. It's I
wouldn't say it's small because it's not
[1:24:06] tiny but it seems very
>> last weekend.
[1:24:12] » Yeah.
>> Okay. And my favorite part of that and
[1:24:16] we'll get to it is the ocula or the
oculi they've got one and I want to talk
[1:24:21] about that but that's an example right
our own mission here
[1:24:26] um or the rate of the arcade I noticed
on your designs that there were some
[1:24:31] areas there where I felt like we could
have used an arcade more than arcade to
[1:24:40] take away that huge massive metall
That's how I felt. Okay. Um,
[1:24:48] I thought that your use of different
elevations on roof lines was fantastic.
[1:24:54] I thought that it made it look not as
big square footage wise as it actually
[1:25:01] is. Now, with that,
I am chairman of the historic review
[1:25:08] board and and that is where my passion
lies. And I'm going to say this. I'm
[1:25:13] going to ask you and I agree with what
Cara said. This is a big building and
[1:25:18] this is right at the entrance to our
city. Is there a way that we can get
[1:25:24] creative on how we put this together? I
love her idea of clumping cottages
[1:25:30] together. Is there a way that you could
do that without having to spend a ton of
[1:25:35] money to redesign this? Work with us on
this. I mean in an ideal world I would
[1:25:42] love to see singlestory
cottages that you can clump together use
[1:25:47] the arcade to and in this case I call
them overhangs right that people can
[1:25:52] walk from one set to another and not get
wet again voting about walking
[1:25:59] I just think that there's more that we
can do together to really make this
[1:26:04] spectacular and I personally love your
ideas and I know that you can do it. So
[1:26:12] let's see what we can do together. The
use of masonry on the arches
[1:26:18] that's more Andalusian. Can we stick to
more and I've already said this, the
[1:26:24] mission revival, the more the maray, the
more simplistic elegant that goes with
[1:26:29] our mission and our adobe, the bling
casual adobe. If you take a look at it
[1:26:36] right over here, it's very simple. this
Monteray that will go there and I know
[1:26:40] that you can do it based on what I see.
Um the raw iron I'm going to ask you if
[1:26:46] we can please eliminate that and you
would a couple reasons for that. the rot
[1:26:52] iron the way you use it on the on the
windows and on the balcony there that's
[1:26:58] more in my opinion Mediterranean Italian
French could be one of these we are
[1:27:05] colonial Spanish town we are Monteray
style we are mission revival wood hits
[1:27:13] that and wood will
be seen and look absolutely stunning
[1:27:20] from the highway as you drive by it and
people will know this is a historic
[1:27:25] canal. Check that out.
Um, deep in the east right now on the
[1:27:32] taller and I forgot the name of the
building, but the tall building. Um, the
[1:27:36] one with the first floor, then you've
got the big wide arch, then you've got
[1:27:41] the three arch windows. Let's talk about
that. Can we deepen the the um the ease
[1:27:48] coming down, make them longer, make them
look more modern way. I think it will be
[1:27:52] a benefit to you because number one, it
will be protecting the stuckco on the
[1:27:56] walls so that you're not going to have
to paint it as often. Okay, it will
[1:28:00] protect this and you know more about
this than I you want to talk about
[1:28:04] network. I can talk. This this is more
fun for me in person.
[1:28:09] Um, okay. The ocula. Um, I'll say oculus
because you have more than one. I love
[1:28:17] that idea.
Is there a possibility instead of making
[1:28:21] it a perfect circle that we could do
something unique? Um, I absolutely love
[1:28:28] the star uh that we have at the Caramel
mission.
[1:28:32] I belong to a sorority called Flying Y.
If you look it up on the web, you can
[1:28:38] see that our badge, our symbol is a
traditional um I think they call it an
[1:28:44] oto foil. It's Yeah. Okay. It's very
traditional in art. You see it
[1:28:50] throughout the time. And I really think
something like that and even if you want
[1:28:55] to create something, I don't care. Just
make it beautiful. And can we inset it
[1:29:00] instead of having it flush with the
wall? Can we inset that into the
[1:29:04] stuckle? Again, going more for the
mission revival style that I would
[1:29:11] really like to see. Um, instead of the
three arched tall windows
[1:29:17] um on the secondary faces, is there a
way that we can turn those into square?
[1:29:23] again going more with the traditional
style that we see here in town and again
[1:29:28] in setting that into the stuckco
um at the gables
[1:29:36] um there are places where you have that
love it let's do more of that more
[1:29:42] design isn't necessarily better simple
elegant traditional beautiful that's
[1:29:49] what I'm going for here that's what I
believe this city wants to see. Okay.
[1:29:56] Um,
let's see. Uh, I already told you about
[1:30:00] the arcades. If we can get more in, I
think that'll be great when it's
[1:30:04] raining. Um, it will also shade. It will
also save the stuckco. Um, the garage,
[1:30:12] the rounded part on the top. I don't
know what you call that. Is there a way
[1:30:18] that we can make that more prominent and
instead of putting in the foils there,
[1:30:24] put in or I think it was a window, can
we put in a vent instead? Or there may
[1:30:29] have been an oculizer. Can we just put a
vent instead? Again, keeping it more
[1:30:35] simple.
Um, and again, these are ideas. I'm not
[1:30:38] I don't want you feeling like I'm
telling you, but just like Okay. Um,
[1:30:45] the entry court view. I love it. I love
the big arches. I love the arched door.
[1:30:52] I love the wood. And I know that you
need the glass so people can see in and
[1:30:56] see out. I think that's beautiful. Go
with it. Don't mess with it. Back to the
[1:31:01] garage. My other apologies. Um, when I
looked at the garage doors, I went and
[1:31:07] it's me personally, but you have windows
in the top of it. Is there a way that we
[1:31:12] can just do the solid wood and then
maybe do some more iron um you know for
[1:31:18] hinges and that sort of thing making it
look old world to match the town. Um
[1:31:25] I love keeping the vent on the gables
that are there. Quiet space, quiet
[1:31:31] treatment.
It is also proof that the detail I'm
[1:31:35] asking for at the garage already exists.
So hopefully we can do it there too.
[1:31:40] Um, I know that there are some middleles
missing. That really isn't a big deal
[1:31:44] right now. This is more of here are our
our ideas, in this case, my ideas on
[1:31:52] what you've presented. And I think we
are off to a fantastic start and I think
[1:31:57] once we get moving that this is going to
go fairly quickly. Um, I noticed that
[1:32:04] there was no color plan and no material
board. Again, that wasn't expected here,
[1:32:09] but if you could put one together for
us, that would be fantastic. Again, I
[1:32:15] personally am looking for those old
world styles, not bright white, but a
[1:32:20] Spanish white, more with the cream, the
yellow, the aged color, the red, the
[1:32:26] heavy red, the heavy wood. And I know
you you can do that. So, um any chance
[1:32:33] um
let's see what else? Um, the LO line
[1:32:37] adjustment. I know we're going to talk
about that later.
[1:32:41] [clears throat] Um,
I think right now I don't need to
[1:32:46] address the zoning. Um, the Calran
event. We'll deal with that when it
[1:32:51] comes in. I didn't feel it was
appropriate at this time to really go
[1:32:55] into
um, you know, the plants and that sort
[1:32:59] of thing when we're talking about the
building. I think once we get the
[1:33:04] building, it's going to be a lot easier
to see what's going to work where,
[1:33:09] excuse me, and where.
Um,
[1:33:14] uh, the 136, excuse me, the 136 parking
field needs, um, real screening, but we
[1:33:23] can work with that. I love the tree
canopy.
[1:33:26] Um,
screening of refues is absolutely a
[1:33:31] must, a must. You guys are creating this
and I know that you can you can do that
[1:33:35] now is the time. Um, again, the arch
entry belia, they're beautiful.
[1:33:44] And again, just for me, it's let's get
this building rolling and then let's
[1:33:50] focus on. So, thank you very much for
all of your effort. I know this wasn't
[1:33:55] easy. I know that the cost and time
associated with this, I'm truly grateful
[1:34:03] and I just want to say keep going and
let's make this a beautiful building.
[1:34:07] Thank you. Or building. Thank you very
much.
[1:34:10] » Thank you. Chairman,
>> can I address one of your comments?
[1:34:14] » Sure.
So definitely that's what I I came here
[1:34:19] to do this for that mean I'm interacting
with everybody getting feedback and
[1:34:25] going back to the drawing board.
One thing I do want to say is ideally
[1:34:31] like I would love to create courtyards
and the system of
[1:34:37] building that you went through. The
problem is that like with our new uh
[1:34:42] system like for a healthcare building I
can't create too many places where staff
[1:34:50] is walking in and out of building or
patient. So if it were a separate uh
[1:34:57] element like maybe the senior center
could be its own element something like
[1:35:02] that we can definitely play around with
that but the main building the
[1:35:07] healthcare thing has to be sort of
continuous enclosed
[1:35:18] » okay I left my report here in a hypo
patient
[1:35:22] » and Um, I know that they have a
treatment center in South Bay. It used
[1:35:28] to be called Center Street. I have no
idea what they call now. And you have
[1:35:32] multiple buildings.
And um, yeah, the physicians probably
[1:35:38] don't walk between them, but here's what
I'm going to say to you. Get creative. I
[1:35:44] know you can do this. You created this.
Get creative for me. Give us what we
[1:35:49] need so that this community is happy
with us. Give us the gateway that this
[1:35:55] town deserves. We need a win right now
and you can provide it.
[1:36:00] » The San Bonito Health Foundation can
provide it. Give us the campus that this
[1:36:06] town deserves. Please.
>> Okay. And I understand you can't do
[1:36:11] everything. Just get creative. Thank
you. go get
[1:36:18] your best apparently I have the easiest
job
[1:36:24] just to piggy back on comments regarding
uh state federal regulations that we
[1:36:30] have to comply with it does have a bit
of difficulty
[1:36:35] because next point commissioner but
that's a perfect opportunity for me to
[1:36:40] come up here as we continue with
comments and that is to invite you all
[1:36:44] including staff to visit our hall
services, take a look at the logistics,
[1:36:50] how the operation actually works and um
uh it may give us all I think a better
[1:36:57] idea of what to expect what
any
[1:37:06] we'll hear from the one guy who could
build this whole place
[1:37:10] right
[clears throat] Good. I'm not changing.
[1:37:15] » First of all, I just want to start off
by thanking all the community that came
[1:37:18] tonight participation.
Um
[1:37:23] I
or Chris already talked about at the
[1:37:27] beginning, but one thing that really is
important to me,
[1:37:30] especially the thought, is hiding all
the MVPs, whether that be on the roof
[1:37:36] and all the electrical panels, gas,
meters, all that stuff from the
[1:37:40] frontage.
Um
[1:37:44] the the road that was drawn in on the
left side of the parcel. I just wanted
[1:37:52] to know is that just a random rendering
or did we have any kind of traffic
[1:37:56] impact that has decided this location
for the project?
[1:38:01] » Did you inspection
spot going into the building?
[1:38:06] » Yes.
So I think what we were talking about
[1:38:10] was that if you see the plan there's the
property line that jumps into the
[1:38:15] » product.
>> The only way to avoid um having the init
[1:38:22] the previous proposal showed the entry
to the right side of that. As a result
[1:38:29] it pushed the building almost again
property line and there was no way to
[1:38:34] put something there. with parking lot
and then there's a building all the way
[1:38:38] along.
So our intention in this version was to
[1:38:44] say can we move just the parking area I
mean the entrance driveway further away
[1:38:52] and push the building as close as we can
to that corner without intruding on the
[1:38:59] zoning or the other side. So that sort
of dictated that. So it came about as a
[1:39:05] result that there was traffic study
conducted earlier
[1:39:11] » and I don't know if it's probably
beneficial to move it further away from
[1:39:16] Monterey um because it just gives that
much more room for parking. I mean the
[1:39:23] cars to stack up,
>> right? I just wanted to see if that was
[1:39:26] like you know put in there.
>> Um
[1:39:32] Oh, I just want to know the purpose of
the garage for me. Oh, that's right.
[1:39:36] Somebody did ask that question. So, the
garage, they do have some um
[1:39:43] ambulances and stuff like that. They
just want to be able to park at night.
[1:39:49] It's not meant for the staff.
Is it for cars or trucks?
[1:39:59] That's all I have for you. I just want
to say from the first time I heard about
[1:40:04] this project, I've been really excited.
I'm glad that it's coming this far so
[1:40:08] far. Um, and even though somebody said
that they won't we won't be getting, you
[1:40:12] know, direct tax on it, but we will be
receiving indirect tax benefits on
[1:40:16] Friday.
>> And the community gets help. Yeah. The
[1:40:20] biggest one really like if we help our
community
[1:40:26] benefit overall everybody.
[1:40:34] » Okay,
here I'll go.
[1:40:40] » I'm going to start with just a few
comments first. I think he was coming on
[1:40:46] terra observations about what are the
department missions.
[1:40:53] So, I was on that planning commission um
that approved those designs and I'll be
[1:40:58] the first person to say they were
horrible and I'm so thankful that you
[1:41:02] and Richard and Georgiana and everyone
coales that you did whatever the design
[1:41:08] now I think should win some kind of an
award so much improved over what was
[1:41:13] first
approved by the branch commission went
[1:41:17] on appeal with city council and so on so
on that
[1:41:22] On one note, I'll also be the first to
admit we got parking wrong.
[1:41:28] We got parking real
[1:41:37] soliguration
whatever but be mindful of that
[1:41:42] opportunity to fix mission garden
parking which is awesome. Um that leads
[1:41:49] me to the next thing which is kind of
more organic. Uh you know if you look at
[1:41:53] the city you see the the mission is the
centerpiece our crown jewels it's on our
[1:41:59] logo and not the county logo if you've
ever noticed that. So mission satisfa
[1:42:10] our little community is the mission and
I always I've been doing stuff for San
[1:42:16] and the county for 30 years all my life.
I've always been mindful of the mission
[1:42:22] and all I mean again and ends with the
mission. So I try to keep that as the
[1:42:27] centerpiece as I think it should be.
along those lines. Then we had some
[1:42:31] opportunities come up for the quarter
gallon and 166 and that grocery store
[1:42:36] car remember when that first came in it
that was not awful. There's a grocery
[1:42:40] store in the strip
called the strip owners just awful and
[1:42:45] nobody got sent back. No, that's not it.
That's not quite finally after all these
[1:42:49] different iterations.
the owners came back with what you see
[1:42:53] today which is a barn and a it looks
like it's been there 100 years and I
[1:42:58] think that project and that architecture
should also win an award. Then when it
[1:43:03] came time to develop candy corner
u that that owner first proposed
[1:43:09] something that one of my architect
friends especially called the circle K
[1:43:13] in Fresno and it was terrible. It was
like what the heck is this for? One
[1:43:17] person started jumping up and down. What
is it? It looked it could be anywhere.
[1:43:23] Not here. And so I called Cara. I called
Andy G. I called the historical lady. I
[1:43:27] said, "What was that corner used for
historically?" Oh, that Mr. Ty sheep
[1:43:32] ranch. Ah, perfect. Oh, the sheep ranch.
Let's do something like that. Kind of
[1:43:36] more of a barn kind of vernacular. That
way the wind the window market and that
[1:43:40] property will kind of communicate, kind
of talk to each other. But more
[1:43:43] importantly, it looks like things that
could have surrounded the mission back
[1:43:48] in the day. So what are the things that
supported the mission want to be organic
[1:43:53] to this community and look like it's
been there look like it exist and that's
[1:43:58] why I'm going to go with these comments
and I don't want to design the I'm going
[1:44:02] to kind of read these because this
project is so important that's another
[1:44:05] editorial comment for all that time
that corner that gas station has come up
[1:44:12] a lot
she her vision for that she said Joe we
[1:44:17] should put
If you guys can really show me I think
[1:44:20] it's like I think but it's in the south
cafe want to show me. So the idea was I
[1:44:28] think Chris pointed this out a very
valuable corner both prominence
[1:44:32] proximity to things.
So when this project came up after 30
[1:44:39] years of thinking about that corner I
thought oh man okay we got to get this
[1:44:43] one right. I took the time to prepare
some topics that I go over right now.
[1:44:49] And I put the first thing I put by
talking about
[1:44:56] because this is an extraordinary site in
an extraordinary town. Whatever
[1:45:01] ultimately occupies that site will be
here for generations. And because of it
[1:45:05] size and location, this project will
become an important part of how people
[1:45:10] experience our town.
I understand Foundation has substantial
[1:45:15] programs they need to accommodate and
footnote program or a program
[1:45:21] architecture architect lingo for what is
the building supposed to do is that
[1:45:26] right what's supposed to be inside there
how's all going to work the program
[1:45:32] » that's going to come up tomorrow
>> and again not also by way of full
[1:45:37] disclosure the program of the health
foundation is near and dear to my heart
[1:45:42] I was on the board of directors years
with Victoria and another traveled with
[1:45:46] her Washington which I understand she is
right now. Um, so I know about the
[1:45:52] mission and the mission statement of the
foundation. I know program vital for
[1:45:56] this community and I could not agree
more. You're not going to see anything
[1:45:59] from me tonight even questioning that
program or what you guys are about. It's
[1:46:05] all going to be designed. the calmer and
the aesthetics on what we're doing that
[1:46:14] the square of this building is real and
the tremendous public service the
[1:46:17] organization provides to our community
is real but and
[1:46:22] forgive me but these comments are
directly going to be towards you as the
[1:46:26] designer
>> and turns to me I've been trying to meet
[1:46:29] with you for a long time as he'll back
me up on that night let's have coffee
[1:46:33] with your design picture was really
stoked that you came on or we got a new
[1:46:36] designer. Great, you know, let's do it.
Let's talk. So, I'm having that talk.
[1:46:41] It's even better now.
The program does not dictate the
[1:46:46] architectural expression of that
program.
[1:46:51] Therefore, it question what if it isn't
one building? Looking at the current
[1:46:56] proposed design is already trying to
address the problem of math and scale.
[1:47:01] You see different lines, cables,
arcades, balconies, reset, elements,
[1:47:05] towers, and changes in elevation. All
very trying to break up that math. I
[1:47:10] know you're trying to do a very job put
on that really quickly. So Ming a couple
[1:47:17] times and said, you know, I think based
on that curation, awful. I said, you
[1:47:22] know, would be great lean kind of tor
mentioned this building certainly does
[1:47:28] that. Camaro Centur LC that kind of
vernacular down there definitely kind of
[1:47:33] is leaning in that direction and
therefore makes great improvements very
[1:47:37] building and that's that's the issue
right now is it size and it's mass
[1:47:44] the architecture is already working to
make one very large building appear to
[1:47:48] be in collaboration smaller build so I
want to ask more fundamental question
[1:47:53] why does that have to be one building at
all what if we took the entire health
[1:47:57] foundation program and distributed it
among individual buildings were
[1:48:02] necessary certainly but experience as a
collection of buildings rather than a
[1:48:07] single institutional structure
and I thought about that and the history
[1:48:13] of what
surrounded the mission in the late 1800s
[1:48:19] I came up with this concept and make my
work by analogy Estantia
[1:48:26] and that that analogy keeps coming back
to me. Estantia. Imagine a small Estonia
[1:48:31] that develops organically over time.
Perhaps a principal building occurs
[1:48:36] followed by another structure when
another function is needed. Then
[1:48:39] another, a courtyard emerges with us, a
garden wall, a gate, an arcade, a
[1:48:44] covered path from one building to
another. Different buildings have
[1:48:48] different heights, masses, and degrees
of architectural importance. And
[1:48:52] importantly, the space between the
buildings becomes architecture too.
[1:48:56] Instead of parking lot and enormous
building, the experience can become
[1:49:01] street, walls, gate, courtyard, garden,
arcade, building, passage, and other
[1:49:05] courtyards and other buildings. It
becomes something you move through and
[1:49:09] discover rather than a single object you
appreciate.
[1:49:18] Yeah, it's like a little ranch type
supportive enclave compound that
[1:49:25] prevalent in early California that and
it's not like they would have served
[1:49:29] permission in some way. They supportive
of but they were kind of almost
[1:49:34] self-contained but there clusters of
buildings that made sense together but
[1:49:39] like like I just said they didn't all
develop all at once. They were kind of
[1:49:43] accumulated over time. So you think like
Emily building what's that called adobe
[1:49:50] for building
[1:49:53] the cutest little adobe but it's humble
it's not carpet at all it's a beautiful
[1:49:59] old building something I think of it we
have another little adobe that's
[1:50:06] original on our town on the corner
another little humble great structure so
[1:50:12] collections of buildings like all
connected in the way that things
[1:50:24] in that fashion become
architecture too
[1:50:29] become something you look through and
discovered um etc. I'm not suggesting
[1:50:34] that we reproduce a historic
or create a historical data set. This
[1:50:40] must be thoroughly this must be a
thoroughly modern healthcare.
[1:50:46] What I am suggesting
is that we learn from the way these
[1:50:50] places grow, their scale, their
hierarchy, their irregularity,
[1:50:55] courtyard, wall, landscape,
relationships among individual buildings
[1:51:00] and ask whether those principles can
accommodate a modern healthcare program.
[1:51:05] That's the opportunity. The health
foundation doesn't need less programs.
[1:51:10] It doesn't need beer examination rooms,
beer offices or less capacity.
[1:51:16] I think it needs a different
architectural idea for containing that
[1:51:20] program. But I think this site presents
a rare opportunity to do something much
[1:51:25] more ambitious than making a large
institutional building compatible.
[1:51:31] This building doesn't merely need to be
compatible.
[1:51:35] it has the opportunity to become a part
of what is
[1:51:41] if we can accommodate that I think we
have created something that doesn't
[1:51:45] simply avoid farming and historic
community
[1:51:49] do it
and I just wanted to point out
[1:51:55] made a good observation
[1:52:02] of the Sure.
[1:52:08] Also for design
[1:52:14] hospital that's a great example
design really great.
[1:52:21] So those are my comments and in short to
summarize all of that can we make this
[1:52:28] building
[1:52:32] I think the limitation that I find is
[1:52:38] » can I
um I have heard as I'm sure you did too
[1:52:44] I'm sure Victor
my case on this is that we have any
[1:52:49] problem adjusting lines
common zoning champion to get the right
[1:52:54] project.
>> In other words, if we
[1:52:58] » I'm going to say that.
>> That's why I kind of guess that's where
[1:53:02] you're going, right? No, I think that I
think the proposition to this community
[1:53:07] is we can have some smaller buildings
that all look like they make sense, you
[1:53:12] know, and could have developed over time
supportive of emissions that people come
[1:53:15] up to this town and go, "Wow, what's
that? I don't believe that."
[1:53:19] then we will we will do whatever we can
to accommodate you right
[1:53:25] » I got knowledge
[1:53:28] » there you go
>> because that that was a constraint like
[1:53:32] and I got involved I said okay what can
I do here
[1:53:36] » bless you for right so now maybe now
maybe you can get really creative okay
[1:53:41] » and really go and really kind of get
into it a little bit come back something
[1:53:46] really
>> again the building that you designed is
[1:53:50] gorgeous in camera.
>> Yeah,
[1:53:53] » it's really kind of big here. 10,000
square feet bigger than I want to
[1:53:58] mention.
>> The problem is like it had to it ended
[1:54:02] up getting stacked.
>> If you see that, you can see like
[1:54:07] literally it's like a sliver,
>> right? And I can't like then talk to
[1:54:12] Ariel like I was hoping she'd allow just
a little bit over there then I can
[1:54:16] spread it out but like for me it have to
and then you don't have any relaxed
[1:54:22] parking requirements everything has to
be accommodated on site
[1:54:26] » and it either became a parking field or
like and even if I were to stag building
[1:54:31] I think probably another thing would be
the relaxation on the requirement of
[1:54:36] parking because in the same thing. The
more parking you provide, the less there
[1:54:43] is to build on. Let's look at that.
>> So, um through this chair, it is okay.
[1:54:50] um that did take a look at it and you
could uh in the zoning um table um you
[1:55:00] could change it to allow for clinic and
it would still be consist of the general
[1:55:05] plan and so it would be a zoning um a
>> great
[1:55:09] » and then you would have three parcels
>> you'd be able to work with
[1:55:13] » and I think we could I'm not mistaken
that application be extend.
[1:55:23] » Yes, there would be one application that
would include uh tax amendment and
[1:55:29] whether or not you still need to do what
adjustment go back.
[1:55:34] » So is that concurrent or
concurrent? It would be with your
[1:55:39] application would just be um site design
with a zoning and approved. However, the
[1:55:48] site design um is approved at planning
commission level and zing is a
[1:55:54] legislative
planning commission recommending that
[1:55:58] piece of it.
[1:56:02] But um
when you're making those amendments,
[1:56:06] you're finding that it's um consistent
and you're implementing a general plan
[1:56:10] and a
[1:56:15] » agreed on something already.
>> I think I think that that's critical
[1:56:21] like as long as
>> programmatic requirements are met, you
[1:56:26] can address the community and
commissioners like we want to create a
[1:56:31] good project. You want to create
something that's your own product like
[1:56:34] like
it needs to be in
[1:56:39] » again right
[1:56:45] » and along those lines it's als
[1:56:57] very great very important to dialogue
>> absolutely and then down the road we You
[1:57:01] can think about like what the story
like what everybody is looking at what
[1:57:07] scale is
[1:57:16] » public
[1:57:22] as a board member.
I didn't miss and then I have been learn
[1:57:27] a lot. But I think you guys have to be
more positive
[1:57:32] because as you go on and on and on and
on, we get into the negative. I'm here
[1:57:40] saying that we're going to do it how the
dream has been planned. And we're lucky
[1:57:47] we have a CEO who is very good at
writing grant and going to every place
[1:57:52] where she can get the support. I'm here
not to give her credit,
[1:57:58] » but let's give her the chance to prove
that this county can be better.
[1:58:03] » The first thing that has to be done here
is take care of public transportation.
[1:58:08] » That's the first thing.
>> Victoria, the public comment closed. We
[1:58:12] encourage you and no one has expressed
any negativity of that. I'm sorry about
[1:58:15] the health foundation. Everyone very
very supportive. We're just trying to
[1:58:18] come up.
>> Okay. I want to thank you ahead of time
[1:58:20] if that happen right now because I'm not
very good in one year. I only hear part
[1:58:26] and so because I want the conflict I
came here with a faith and an open
[1:58:31] minded that we wouldn't pick
[1:58:37] afterward.
Okay.
[1:58:41] Are there any
[1:58:50] really quick just request um uh there
archives or anything like that regarding
[1:58:58] the the front edge improvement or the
streets right away plan or anything that
[1:59:04] you have? We appreciate that. that will
help us with obviously design but yes I
[1:59:09] just want to second your motion Mr. sure
that uh what you have collectively said
[1:59:15] today is yet how do we get to
[1:59:22] and I think it did really great
things really really great like market
[1:59:36] who designed
[1:59:40] give him an award
Okay, that's it for the commissioner
[1:59:44] comment.
[1:59:48] Ariel's
going to change down stuff for you, I'm
[1:59:52] sure.
>> Yes, that was all I was going to add.
[1:59:58] » All right, great. Thank you everyone for
that presentation and as Nick said a
[2:00:04] couple
dialog
[2:00:13] and next up is
something equally exciting about their
[2:00:20] magician
[2:00:24] all the way down
with anybody
[2:00:30] the next step.
>> Great.
[2:00:31] » Thank you.
[2:00:42] You want the death
[2:01:09] on?
Yeah. Okay.
[2:01:14] » Okay. This is the conditional permit for
a 225 foot.
[2:01:20] We go from 40,000 square feet to 225T
bathroom.
[2:01:27] Okay.
[2:01:30] » I actually going to pass it off to
Victor, our associate manager.
[2:01:38] » Thank you. Good evening, chair,
commissioners, and members of the
[2:01:40] public. I'm Victor, associate planner
with the city of South Mata. Tonight, I
[2:01:45] will be discussing um PLN 260006, the GR
conditioning use permit located at 8:30
[2:01:52] Mission Vineyard. The applicant is
requesting an approval to add 225 ft to
[2:01:58] the existing residence for primary bath
and walking cost.
[2:02:03] With that introduction, let's begin with
a quick overview of presentation.
[2:02:08] So tonight um our discussion will focus
on the project location background land
[2:02:14] use consistency used for the findings
and staff recommendation. Let's begin
[2:02:19] with the project location.
The proposed project is located at 830
[2:02:26] mission vineyard. The assessor number is
002-550-0
[2:02:32] and the property is approximately
1.04 zero acres
[2:02:38] map on screen show general location of
the property near San
[2:02:44] road and state rout
next I will provide some background on
[2:02:49] the property and explain why additional
use permit is required
[2:02:55] already has an industrial general plan
designation and industrial zoning the
[2:02:59] existing home that was before the
property was added to the city before
[2:03:04] current industrial only.
For that reason, the resident is
[2:03:09] considered illegal on use. This means
the home was lawful when it was
[2:03:15] established, but it's not a use that
would be normally allowed in the current
[2:03:19] zoning. The home may continue to be
used. However, chapter 11-15 of the
[2:03:26] municipal code requires that a condition
use permit before the residential use um
[2:03:31] may be expanded. The planning commission
set up the project on a preliminary
[2:03:37] basis on June 23 or no formal action was
taken during that meeting. Tonight the
[2:03:43] formal public hearing on the additional
use per
[2:03:52] to allow a 225
foot addition to the existing residence.
[2:03:58] The addition would contain a primary
bathroom and a walk-in closet. The plan
[2:04:03] on the screen shows where the addition
would be attached to the existing home.
[2:04:08] The project would not have a bedroom
unit or change the existing res. The
[2:04:14] commission will be asked to consider
only the limited addition the existing
[2:04:18] home. The next slide will provide a
close look at plan layout of the
[2:04:23] addition.
[2:04:27] The existing residence contains 152 ft.
The proposed addition would add 225
[2:04:35] square ft resulting in total floor area
of 1,277
[2:04:39] square feet. The addition would remain
single story but were not included
[2:04:43] bedroom or separate unit.
[2:04:51] So the general plan designation zoning
for the property are both industrial
[2:04:55] although resident resilition
[2:05:00] must comply with the residential
development standards of the industrial
[2:05:04] zoning district. The property contains
45,32
[2:05:09] square ft which exceeds the 1,00 square
foot in the lot area. The lot is 225.8
[2:05:18] 98 py which exceeds the 100 foot
minimum. The floor area ratio is 0.076
[2:05:25] below the 0.15 maximum. The building
coverage is 0.8.08
[2:05:32] below the 0.90 max. The propose height
is 12 ft 9 in below the 50 foot maximum.
[2:05:40] The rear setback is 41 ft of inches
which seats a 20 foot minimum. Before
[2:05:52] approving the conditional use permit,
the planning commission must make three
[2:05:56] required findings. First finding is that
the use is necessary or desirable in
[2:06:02] relation to the general land zoning
ordinance economic social environmental
[2:06:07] status of city. The second finding is
that the use related to nearby uses,
[2:06:13] transportation and public facilities and
were not a cause undue environmental
[2:06:17] impact. The third finding is the use
would not adversely affect the health or
[2:06:23] safety of the public the vicinity or be
detrimental to the public welfare.
[2:06:30] based on the limited scope of the
project, it's in compliance with the
[2:06:35] development standards and absence.
Um that can make all three findings
[2:06:47] regarding SQUA. Um the project qualifies
for a class one categorical exemption
[2:06:54] for existing facilities. The existing
resident could contain 1,52
[2:07:00] ft 50% the floor area ratio 526.
[2:07:09] Um the 90 step is recommend that the
planning commission review the staff
[2:07:14] board for the public hearing and hearing
component and deployment of the project.
[2:07:18] adopt the draft resolution including
find condition of approval approval of
[2:07:24] the condition use permit and find the
project
[2:07:28] under SQA class one utilities
[2:07:34] and with that that concludes my
presentation I'm available to answer any
[2:07:38] questions the commission may have and
the applicant is online as well if you
[2:07:42] have any questions for them okay thank
you very
[2:07:49] Unless
[2:07:56] take a moment
[2:08:13] just really the hitt did some kind of a
sale coke with a well and whatever and
[2:08:20] fashion red that area industrial even
though all the house was already on it.
[2:08:26] It was already residential, but they
needed the restroom. So now you got to
[2:08:30] take some active Congress to make the
bathroom because of the zoning.
[2:08:37] » We talked about that. Can't we just undo
that? But every time he changed
[2:08:45] as I was apparently now that's like a
big deal, too. Like
[2:08:51] you
>> not
[2:08:53] possible for them,
>> but
[2:08:55] » but it's just the way it is. So we all
we have been able to do is try to
[2:08:58] expedite through blah blah blah
but I still
[2:09:11] regul
[2:09:19] if you want I can help address one of
the options available we can discuss it
[2:09:24] further um in um our item six uh is one
of the things you can do is um you can
[2:09:34] connect your um nonconforming
um uses uh with minor modifications. So
[2:09:42] allow for certain extent um to to be
done um things like you know setbacks or
[2:09:51] addition up to a certain percentage um
requiring
[2:09:56] the construction. So that's something
consider when looking at
[2:10:08] your point
of longterm.
[2:10:15] Okay. Um or Sarah, are you both here? Do
you have anything you want to add to the
[2:10:20] report or are you good?
[2:10:31] anything you want to add.
[2:10:39] No. Okay.
[2:10:43] Microphone.
[2:10:50] Okay. Well, we'll take that.
[2:10:54] So are there any comments from the
public on this agenda item? We do not
[2:10:59] have any chambers or
[2:11:08] anyone is interested in making a motion.
I would recommend that
[2:11:14] motion
[2:11:18] you're good to go.
This is
[2:11:24] that
move to adopt a resolution approving
[2:11:28] conditional use permit PLN20
uh 006 to allow 225 foot addition to an
[2:11:36] existing law performing single family
resident
[2:11:40] road APN 002550019
subject to the conditions approval and
[2:11:46] finance project category we California
Environmental Quality Act pursuant to
[2:11:52] SQL guidelines section 15301 E1 class
one existing facility.
[2:12:00] » Thank you.
>> Second
[2:12:05] of course commissioner
>> I
[2:12:09] commission
>> Commissioner
[2:12:12] » Hi.
[2:12:18] Thank you for hanging in there.
[2:12:27] » Yeah, that's right.
All right.
[2:12:37] situation.
[2:12:52] » It was on the agenda. Do you continue?
So you just want to release that
[2:12:57] information
next month.
[2:13:04] continue.
[2:13:09] Now 7 A
compleate
[2:13:17] a time estimate at this point
[2:13:22] and I know
[2:13:29] » [clears throat]
[2:13:39] » Is this a good
[2:13:45] » There's a lot that we could discuss in
um uh the zoning code. I
[2:13:51] if you want I can
I probably have
[2:13:58] 15 minutes of PowerPoint presentation
and then I'm sure
[2:14:04] it is up to your guys's discussion to
continue or
[2:14:11] think
[2:14:15] » um I would suggest that we give back
uh or suggest the staff they focus on
[2:14:23] legal conflict and conflicts within. So
in other words, conflicts with state and
[2:14:29] federal regulations within the current
code and conflict within the code uh
[2:14:36] where there's um differing uh direction
within the existing zoning code. take
[2:14:43] over the first two priorities for moving
forward and that we can leave this item
[2:14:49] for a more comprehensive conversation.
>> I agree with that and and want to thank
[2:14:56] and commend Mr. for
pointing that out and also make the
[2:15:02] observation that that's probably one
hour
[2:15:07] that went through.
>> Exactly. But I do almost like workshop I
[2:15:13] think.
>> Yeah. And through the commission I can
[2:15:17] also work with you to schedule a special
meeting just on this item.
[2:15:22] » It will it will be a good amount of
keeping a part of trying to get to the
[2:15:28] good entry to um you know
you know. So just I can quickly give you
[2:15:37] like some maybe help two or three minute
feel but uh for the ADU ordinance part
[2:15:43] of why that was come forward was because
um our
[2:15:48] state law and two of Ju um and um
is the water um
[2:16:00] or that is in that one that we'll need
to bring forward because that one is
[2:16:05] also uh we need to make sure that that's
in our ordinance. Um as we exhausted our
[2:16:12] six housing uh our six cycle housing
element um there's also uh some pieces
[2:16:19] of um residential that we have to um
update as as far as that's you know just
[2:16:27] a few examples about um and then as we
have heard just tonight and then some we
[2:16:35] we've addressed um you know uses in mix
in misuse such as um allowing for
[2:16:42] clinics or um the um
allowing for minor modification
[2:16:51] um and and things like that. part of
tonight's uh discussion
[2:16:57] um was going to look, you know, to kind
of look at
[2:17:03] taking our ordinance um and looking at
as a short downtown and separating that
[2:17:08] out of the land uses outside of that
because signs needed in our store
[2:17:14] compared to signs needed outside or
permit streamlining
[2:17:19] um by but still needing the historic um
uh design guideline requirements
[2:17:26] um by allowing for business reuse. And
so that was kind of some of those
[2:17:30] opening discussion. Um as one of the
items from the economic development
[2:17:36] discussion with the council looking at
the retail formula outside of the
[2:17:40] downtown business. Um another item that
had been part of the presentation was um
[2:17:45] also looking um it's called an
entertainment district and looking at
[2:17:49] the downtown entertainment district.
This would be um simply put allowing um
[2:17:56] on certain days or times uh the ability
to um block with alcohol beverages, you
[2:18:04] know, for monthly students, but just
exploring different ideas
[2:18:08] um to bring people downtown and focusing
on downtown getting businesses downtown.
[2:18:15] Um and then also looking at it that it's
a completely different context from your
[2:18:20] other um mixed use and commercial
locations like others right that we've
[2:18:24] discussed and so um and looking at our
code to kind of distinguish that and um
[2:18:32] bring business in but also keep good.
So that was that was a modified version
[2:18:41] of what the the presentation was and It
could it can take it will take probably
[2:18:47] several meetings um
uh but we can we can bring some pieces
[2:18:53] forward um and then we can talk about
session
[2:19:03] » I'd like to ask a quick question is
there any um time frame that we're up
[2:19:08] against here in regards to our decision
on
[2:19:15] question.
[2:19:19] » I didn't answer the AU ordinance they
wanted yesterday. So, of course, we're
[2:19:26] behind schedule. So, that's why that one
being pulled out ahead and um though
[2:19:32] that you haven't come in yet. Um
but some of those staff is taking
[2:19:40] inspiration just working to
[2:19:45] I'm certainly not opposed to pushing
this on to the next meeting. Um I love
[2:19:51] the idea of doing a special meeting
where it's almost more like training
[2:19:53] where we get a map of data dump all this
information. We're focused on the zoning
[2:19:58] section 11. You give it to us, we absorb
it and we go from there. So if you guys
[2:20:04] aren't opposed to this, I would say
instead of pushing you out to our next
[2:20:07] meeting, let's do a special.
[2:20:12] Yeah, there's a lot
[2:20:20] here.
I make a motion that
[2:20:27] we we continue a
compet
[2:20:43] workshop,
[2:20:48] whatever.
[2:21:01] Not your pleasure.
[2:21:08] » Of course. Commissioner,
>> Commissioner K, Commissioner,
[2:21:14] » Commissioner,
[2:21:17] » Motion.
[2:21:22] This will be one of them.
Um,
[2:21:28] did you would you like to do your
commissioner
[2:21:32] comments?
[2:21:56] Yeah, we spoke last weekend last week
about the
[2:22:03] » influence.
manager come
[2:22:09] I just that's what I that and the
historic preservation
[2:22:14] or worked on but not that
>> yes I have I have some
[2:22:21] um
[2:22:24] » yeah I'm just I'm suggesting that those
are future agenda
[2:22:30] » um okay
>> we're still on so
[2:22:34] » there are a separate committee. Um, but
I can I can respond to it.
[2:22:41] » My thought is
[2:22:51] » that was included in my presentation on
>> do the whole signage
[2:22:59] part of that
>> signage is in title 11.
[2:23:04] I know it is alone. I know because I sat
here
[2:23:10] before. You hear that?
>> Oh my goodness. If someone posts going
[2:23:17] out of business, how long should that
How many times can they go out of
[2:23:20] business? [laughter]
Legit question. Should there be
[2:23:24] regulation on that? And what are those?
Are those temporary sign? If so, how
[2:23:28] big? And I mean, you can talk for hours
just online. We can absolutely break
[2:23:34] that up with um discuss more
>> neon
[2:23:45] she just went remember the neon
internally illuminated by externally
[2:23:51] eliminated
>> all that
[2:23:57] and you have to be kind of granular on
that you know there's no there's no real
[2:24:03] internally.
[2:24:14] Yeah, we can um we can do an intro as
part of the hood updates and then we can
[2:24:21] also have
why don't you figure out what the
[2:24:26] construction look like
this figure out.
[2:24:31] » Okay, you got it.
Okay.
[2:24:38] » Um, I just have one comment I spoke to.
I thought tonight was very constructive.
[2:24:42] I thought it was positive. Yes, I am. My
glass is helpful, not empty. And I will
[2:24:47] always be that way.
[2:24:50] So, I am very excited to see this
project up and running. And with that
[2:24:55] being said, I would also like to
formally announce that I'm running.
[2:25:00] So there are three seats available and I
am hoping to be elected to one of them.
[2:25:06] Thank you.
[2:25:12] » Congratulations on your candid
[2:25:19] members joining. We appreciate it.
Baptism by fire
[2:25:30] glad to be here. I'm excited and thank
you for today.
[2:25:34] » That's right.
Because every time I watch this on
[2:25:37] YouTube
[2:26:01] in the first especially
[2:26:08] » I thought it was very
[2:26:13] all kinds of different input that was
wonderful.
[2:26:20] So now
so um
[2:26:25] uh staff is
preparing items um to have uh our urban
[2:26:34] road boundary meeting. We'll need to
actually do it not on the regular
[2:26:39] meeting. So we'll be sending out session
meeting but it will be in the middle of
[2:26:43] September. And um so I'm working with
the consultant and then I'll be with
[2:26:50] members to make sure that they can sort
of the options work. Um and then um for
[2:27:00] the historic ordinance we just you know
we finished wrapping up edits we believe
[2:27:07] um the intent and we finished all the
mapping um but the that staff
[2:27:15] um piece
isn't done. So, um if we had a meeting
[2:27:22] in the month of uh September, it would
just be on those um
[2:27:29] uh two those two uh portions and we
could continue that for a later date.
[2:27:36] But you can see that we've done the new
round of edit
[2:27:44] will not be available.
[2:27:48] Okay. Then um then we will we'll work on
the the scheduling on on that item
[2:27:56] that'll give us the time to maybe finish
that last but
[2:28:02] of those items.
It sounds like the end of our falling
[2:28:09] into winter is going to be very busy
with meeting.
[2:28:13] You guys are all
[2:28:25] move to
>> second.
[2:28:30] » Thank you everyone. Great.