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Good morning and welcome to the County of San Luis Obispo's Board of Supervisors meeting for December 12th, 2023, here in the Kachosaji and Government Center. I'd ask you to please rise now and join me in the pledge of allegiance.

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A pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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Some

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announcements.

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Hearing devices are available on the left side of the dias.

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Board chambers are T-coil compatible for hearing devices.

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Speaker slips are available to back of the chambers on the right side of the dias,

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and anything presented to the board must be turned into the clerk for the record.

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With that, I'm going to ask the clerk to read the changes to today's agenda.

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Addendum to item number six, request to review and approve appointments of board members to various committees and commissions.

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Staff is amending the item to add the San Luis Visco County Integrated Waste Management Authority, IWMA, as an appointed committee and moving the item placement from consent to board business to discuss the appointment of one representative and one alternate to the IWMA.

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This item will be heard as the first board business item of the day after public comment item number 23.

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Requirements of the Brown Act have been satisfied as notice was posted prior to the assembly time notice requirement.

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Okay, thank you for that.

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Now we are going to go to the consent agenda, but all items except item six, which has been moved to, right?

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So, I'm going to open public comment, we have no public comment, Mary Christmas.

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So, we are going to close public comment and ask the board members if they would like to pull anything or have discussion.

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Supervisor Gibson.

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Move approval of consent ebbs and item six.

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Okay, we have a second motion and a second Arnold.

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Okay, any other comments, discussion?

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Moving on then, roll call.

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Supervisor Gibson?

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Yes.

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Supervisor Arnold?

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Yes.

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Yes, Supervisor Teeth Leigh?

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Yes, Supervisor Pauline?

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Yes.

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And Chairperson Pasham?

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Yes.

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Okay, we are going to take a five minute break to sign the resolutions because we worked

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really hard, so we'll be right back to come forward

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and Supervisor Pauline will be doing

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the honors today.

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Thank you, Chair.

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It would be my honor.

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Resolution recognizing Elizabeth Santa Ball upon retirement for 23 years of service to

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of the County of San Luis Obispo.

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Whereas, Elizabeth Sandevol started working

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for the County of San Luis Obispo Public Health Department

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from 1985 to 1991 as an intermediate typing clerk.

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She moved out of the area and came back to work

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for the Public Health Department on August 20, 2000

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as a senior typist clerk and now as an administrative

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assistant three until her retirement.

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And whereas, Elizabeth designed and created pamphlets

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and flyers, coordinated sponsors for various outreach

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which training events and county health fairs.

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And whereas, Elizabeth worked hand in hand with general hospital maternity

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ward's data system that tracked all babies delivered.

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And whereas, Elizabeth worked in different public health programs such as tuberculosis,

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communicable disease, women, infants, and children, immunization,

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California children's services, childhood led poisoning, prevention program,

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child health and disability prevention and medical therapy program.

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which programs didn't you serve in?

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And whereas, Elizabeth can do, and positive attitude,

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was a role model for staff in times of innumerable staff shortages

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and temporary reassignments, and through H1N1 influenza

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and the COVID pandemic.

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And whereas, in a time of hysteria,

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Elizabeth did a lot of behind-the-scenes admin work

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by submitting H1N1 administrative statistics into the state registry

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and did much preparation for H1N1 school based clinics and public health department point of distribution sites during October to December of 2009.

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And whereas in 2009, the immunization program started the adult hepatitis vaccine program,

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and Elizabeth completed all orders and reports to the state and

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trained staff from Grover Beach and San Luis Bisbo sites on how to complete their own orders in the future.

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And whereas, Elizabeth has processed thousands of child health and disability-

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Committee, prevention, PM 160 referral forms for the CHDP program yearly from 2010 to 2017, and assisted public health nurses in identifying children who need care coordination services. And whereas, Elizabeth has worn many hats and worked different positions throughout the different public health programs to alleviate staffing shortages. Always with a smile on her face, providing outstanding support to the team. I can see that smile now.

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Whereas, Elizabeth has shown to care deeply for staff and also the children she has built a connection with at the medical therapy units.

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She is the first point of contact with families, which means she is widely recognized and leads a positive and warm welcome to everyone.

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And whereas after contributing 23 years of dedicated service, Elizabeth has decided to retire to spend time with her husband, Darryl and her son Josiah.

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And, whereas, on behalf of the entire children's medical services team,

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we would like to express sincere appreciation to Elizabeth for her years of contribution to public health.

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Now, therefore, be it resolved and ordered that the Board of Supervisors of the County of San Luis Obispo,

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State of California, does hereby recognize Elizabeth Sandevol and

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commends her for her 23 years of dedication to the county's mission.

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be it also resolved that Elizabeth Sandivall is wish the best of health happiness and fulfillment in her retirement.

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Congratulations.

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Thank you.

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Come on up everybody.

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Thank

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you, thank you Supervisor Prashong and the Board Supervisors.

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This is amazing.

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I was 25 years old when I started with the San Luis Bistbol Public Health Department.

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I know that I was the youngest employee at the Pasferables Public Health Department.

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And now, I think I'm the oldest, and I don't know how that happened, but

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it did, and it was very fast.

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Like I've learned so much, like Mr. Paul Dean said,

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I work many, many outreaches and departments and very fulfilling and just love my job.

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I loved everything about it, working with the public, working with the kids and

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the children, and learning so much.

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I was from, well, baby clinics in Cambridge, to the most recently, medical therapy unit,

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at the Pass Roles unit, and San Luis de Dispo.

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I will close this chapter of my life with a great appreciation for

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our public health agency and our public health workers.

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From administrative assistance to our public health nurses, occupational and physical therapists,

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for our medical therapy aids, medical assistance doctors, and so much more.

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Employees and many other dedicated workers in our public health agency.

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I believe we provided tremendous service to our local central coast community.

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My plan is to spend more time with my family, my friends, and my children.

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I would love to learn how to grow a garden without killing the plants. That's a really big goal. I will spend more time in the kitchen cooking for my family, my friends, my co-workers because I will still see them, and my church, which I love to do. I am blessed to have had the opportunity to work with such wonderful people and wonderful co-workers. I plan to travel and check things off my bucket list.

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I have made life long friends and have wonderful memories with my co-workers.

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My heart is full and I'm very happy.

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Thank you so much.

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Thank you.

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We're going to have additional public comment now, so please.

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Thank you.

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My name is Francesca Peterson and I have had the absolute pleasure of working with Liz.

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She has been an absolute star on our children's medical services team for over a decade and obviously collectively with the Public Health Department and the county for over two decades.

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She always has a smile on her face as you see and an outstanding positive attitude that is contagious and brings everybody's spirits up.

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Liz exemplifies our whatever it takes culture and has always stepped up in our time of need to do absolutely anything that's needed by our team and our programs and our clients.

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Liz is an outstanding representative for public health and the County of San Luis Obispo.

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She has coordinated and attended many outreach events over the years, and

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always works hard to serve our community and our clients.

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Liz is our right hand, and I'm feeling it.

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She anticipates needs, she takes initiative, she problem solves, and

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she provides excellent support to our team.

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Most recently, Liz stepped up into our medical therapy units as the first point of contact for our clients.

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greeting them with a warm smile and a welcoming atmosphere, filling in for

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therapy aids that are out of the office on leave.

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Liz learned new tasks and took on some very complex duties to meet the needs of the medical therapy unit,

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of our physical and occupational therapists, and our clients and their families.

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Liz has always done an exemplary job and she will be greatly missed as a key member of our children's medical services team.

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We wish her the very best in her well-deserved retirement.

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have one more speaker's lip, Dr. Penny Bornstein, and if you'd like to speak on this item, please submit a slip.

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Dr. Good morning, Liz has moved back to her seat, which is appropriate because she likes to be in the background.

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But she's one of these unspoken heroes of the public health department and the county at large.

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I really got to know Liz first when I came, because we were on the cusp of the 2009 pandemic.

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It was a pandemic.

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It was H1N1, anyone remember that?

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Fortunately, that one really was reasonably well contained, and we didn't need 100 disaster

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services workers.

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We only needed Liz sound of all.

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So I just wanted to say a few words of thank you to her.

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I know she's gone on since then in the subsequent 13 years to do wonderful things in children's medical services in lead in the medical therapy program, children's health disabilities prevention program.

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and we are all grateful for her, her can-do attitude and her wondrousness as she works with staff and clients.

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So thank you, Liz.

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Any additional public comment?

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Seeing none, I'll close public comment.

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I'll bring it back to the board for comments.

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Supervisor Ortiz Leak?

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Okay, I'll start.

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Well, Liz, I really loved everything that you said and of course, everything we learned about you today.

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And you're really the kind of person that really illustrates the importance of what government

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can do for people's lives.

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So many times a lot of critics think that nothing happens, or we don't do anything, et cetera.

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And your touching of families and children in so many ways is so critically important.

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And so on behalf of those kids and those families, thank you very much for your service.

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And go out and spread your joy into the next chapter of your life.

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Supervisor?

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Yeah.

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And Elizabeth, I do.

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I want to wish you well in your retirement years.

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Everything you listed sounds really fun.

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All the things on your list.

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But I had to smile when I was reading that

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you back in the day were checking

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or working the data system for general hospitals

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maternal

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That was such a fabulous, both my kids were born in general hospital, and I remember how great it all was. So, I guess our lives must have touched back then, and here we are all these years later. So, thanks for all your years of service to the county.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and best in your retirement, as the resolution was read, I was struck by the incredible variety of things you have done all in the service of this county's children.

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And for that, I thank you, and indeed you have a full heart, and you have displayed it admirably over so many years, so congratulations.

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Supervisor Paulton.

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Thank you, Liz.

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And your dedication to our county is clear.

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Thank you for sticking with it for all these years and serving in the way that you did and do enjoy your retirement.

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And Liz, I'll just tell you, I think you're a superhero.

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And I, a doctor said to hero, but I'll just call you a superhero.

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So thank you for your years of service to this community and for everything you've done.

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Thank you.

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With that, we're going to move on now to item 21.

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Item 21 is a presentation of a resolution.

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previously approved on October 31st, 2023, and I actually read it at an event in the Tascadero,

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recognizing a decade of service by Muhedra Staxion, educating and serving the Latino community about breast cancer.

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And so is there a representative from the organization here?

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Okay. Well, we're going to read it, move forward. So, Board member, we'll read the resolution

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and so we'll have a supervisor, Donna or T's leg, do the honors.

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Thank you. And thank you for bringing this resolution forward, Supervisor Prashan.

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This resolution, whereas breast cancer remains a major disease afflicting nearly 240,000 women

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per year, and whereas information and advocacy about breast cancer have increased over the

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past few years, including the encouragement of mammograms and other preventative measures.

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And whereas certain racial groups, including Hispanic women, experience disproportionate

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rates of breast cancer, and whereas building community is essential to overcoming such a

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difficult disease, given the isolation and uncertainty.

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And whereas Mujeres de Auxion of Paso Rolles has taken on an active role over the past decade

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providing support, services, education, and advocacy to close the gap on breast cancer.

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And whereas the staff of Mujeres de Auxion led by co-founders Yasinia Escavera and Brenda

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Escavera have invested significant resources, planned events, supported families, and partnered

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with community and government organizations over the past decade to leave a meaningful impact.

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Now therefore, be it resolved in order that the Board of Supervisors of the County of San Luis Obispo, State of California, does hereby recognize Mujeres, the axiones, longevity, and legacy, and expresses appreciation toward their dedication to creating a community supporting Hispanic populations to increase knowledge towards the prevention of breast cancer.

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Thank you.

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think we should do a picture with the board here, and we'll have you hold it up and we'll just do a quick picture.

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I know it sounds good.

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Thank you, thank you.

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Is there any additional public comment on this?

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Seeing none, I will bring it back to the board for additional comment from the board.

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Okay, I'm supervisor or to use leg.

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Well, I think what's really important here is that recently,

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Cuesta College did a ethno studies on health accessibility

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for Latinos and particularly non-speaking Latinos

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coming from areas of indigenous areas of Mexico.

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And when you have advocacy groups like this,

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it really bridges that gap in order to help make sure

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that people get their, one, get the education on the mammogram, for example, as well as

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finding out what's the best way to build that trust with the health department and those

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communities.

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Because oftentimes they come from areas where they don't have those kinds of services and

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they don't really know how to access the services or have the same level of trust to know where

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to go for the information.

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So this is a very important effort that the Mojarris de Axion provides.

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And I will add my my words to this too because I did present this at their big gala that they had

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I've had in a taskadero, as I said, about a month and a half ago, and it's very, very important. One of the things I think that was really resonated in the doctors that spoke at this, where if you have symptoms, please do not ignore them. And that was one of the things that in the Spanish-speaking community and Latina community of our county, a lot of people have in the past ignored the symptoms and it has caused worse problems. So I think that was really important, and they do really important work.

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If you don't know about this organization, you should follow them on Facebook or Instagram or look them up online.

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They do incredible work in our community, so thank you for being here for that.

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Okay, we're now going to be moving on to the next item, which is item 22, which is a submittal of a resolution recognizing Beth Raub, Becky Cripe, and Eliza Bassinger of the District Attorney's Office for a slow moment in the county of San Luis Obispo.

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And I'm asked Jeanette Trumpeter to come to the podium and do the honors.

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Good morning Chairman Pashong and board members.

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We love doing these presentations, we'll take a slow moment.

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We have 3,000 employees a little more than that in our employee here at the County of San

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Los Obispo and many of them are just like Liz who we honored today who like to stay in the

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background but do amazing work and that is the quest of the slow moment to pay tribute

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to some of them who just rise to the occasion of their roles as public servants.

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If I say the name Kristen Smart, you guys would all probably remember that name.

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She was the victim of a horrible crime nearly 26 years ago and frankly maybe some failures

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and stumbles of we as a community in the early days following her disappearance.

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It's a heavy lift to prosecute a case more than a quarter century later but we have some

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Great prosecutors and investigators that made that happen, but we also have some behind the scenes employees who are part of that heavy lift and you probably never heard their name so that's who we want to honor today in our slow moment.

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There are about 3000 employees working for the county of San Luis Obispo, and among those, there are those who go above and beyond in their commitment to public service.

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Their exceptional work may not make headlines, but it is worthy of recognition.

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We want to take a slow moment to do so.

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In the high-profile murder case against Paul Flores, we saw some county employees making

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headlines daily and worldwide.

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Those on the front lines became almost familiar faces, but the prosecution team included some

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crucial behind-the-scenes support staff.

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I am a legal clerk and a witness coordinator.

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I make all the flight arrangements. I reserve the hotels.

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In this particular case, we subpoenaed like 99 people and we actually put

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I think 55 people on the stand. I'm a paralegal at the DA. So I was given the

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task of organizing and processing all the discovery, all the evidence for the

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case. There was over 1.5 terabytes of evidence that we had to sift through and

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organize and discover. So I'm the victim advocate. We are the explainers of the criminal justice system

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basically. We are, you know, keeping them updated on the case and we are most importantly informing

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them of their rights. You have to prepare them for what they're going to see in the reality. You know,

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it's not like on TV, right? These three women were the skeletal support for the heavy lift of

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prosecuting Paul Flores.

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I had to issue all the subpoenas and communicate with all the witnesses.

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Making sense of 26 years of evidence and 26 years of frustration and grief

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from those who knew and loved Kristen Smart.

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And they knew how to guide us because we came in blind.

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We had no idea what the justice system

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entailed and stepped by step. Slowly but surely they walked us through every step.

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It was an unprecedented prosecution that came with unique challenges. For example when we're

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going to trial in the judge, rolled there was a two juries. I didn't even know that was a thing.

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One trial, two defendants, two juries, a change of venue, gag orders,

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There's a gradual rains and floods, oh, and a pandemic.

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Just the headlight hassles involved in this case.

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Any trial has ups and downs at this particular trial because of, you know, its lane and its

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severity and its significance just have them all.

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We were on the top floor while their elevator was down for three weeks.

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So every time I would have to go do...

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I do something. I would go down the two flights of three flights of stairs and then up to the court. I had, you know, over 400 exhibits. And we had to have two persons to each of them. One for every jury. So all the evidence in I six boxes. And at Chris grabbed one, I grabbed one. They were at the investigators with us. Clint Cole. And we're all we had to schlep down the dolly. There were so many wrinkles. And our staff had to cancel travel arrangements, renegotiate and get new travel arrangements.

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movements, move people around, it was absolutely a herculean task.

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But these three rose to the occasion big time, taking a massive amount of data and details

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and making it all work for those involved.

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They came up many times in court when Chris would text me, when did we discover this and

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I would then look it up on our log and give him the packet number when it was discovered.

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So it was critical in making sure that we were organized in that respect.

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especially Mr. Sanger would would comment we don't have that prosecution

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hasn't provided that you know sometimes things happen in court defense tries

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to throw you off oh yeah we got challenged a lot that it was something we

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hadn't provided although we had but I was up to meet and prove it and they did it

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all 125 miles from home we had multiple fire alarms at 2 in the morning I was

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on the 3rd of the 4th floor of the hotel and I think that was on the 10 so she

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We had to walk all the way down the stairs at 2 in the morning.

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I went up there late May and I got home right after the verdict in October, yeah, long

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time.

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Each of us had families and, you know, most, you know, some of us had kids at various

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ages, kids who had summer camps, kids who were in school.

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I came home on the weekends, so yeah, and worked on the weekends, and did the laundry and

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set everybody up, got them all together and then Monday I would leave.

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And while the case played out in Monterey County,

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all supported staff at home who were left shorthanded

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due to their absences.

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I was still doing a certain amount of telecommuting

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back to San Luisbos.

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So my days sometimes were 12 hour days.

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Zero downtown. There was no downtown.

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I was very busy.

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In addition to whatever he texted me,

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hey, I'm in any cup of this.

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Hey, lunch, we need to draft this.

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Hey, we're in any stipulation.

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Can you make up?

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It was constant.

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Yeah, there was lots of no lunch days.

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There was a few where you just grabbed the granola bar in the office kind of thing.

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Because I was called upon to do something that I don't normally do.

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That's not written in my job description.

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I was a whirling dervish while they were over there.

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I was working feverishly to get everything done to make that day happen.

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At the end of that day, we would meet as a team to discuss the day and then what came next.

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and then we would jump right into the next day.

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And when I got through it on that home,

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I realized the level of stress.

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You know, as you start to come down,

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you realize, oh, I was living at this kind of level.

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And all while trying to keep the smart family

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in the loop of what to expect daily

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and under the pressure of a gag order.

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So it's some of that managing that

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and the information flow was the hardest

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because we had to be careful to not create a mistrial.

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It is terrifying that you're like,

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okay, I'm I going to be the one that throws this down, right?

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And so that was kind of a terrifying place to be.

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They knew how to keep the attorney's secrets,

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even when we begged for answers.

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But in the end, it was the right thing to do.

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And they were our guide.

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I think I did the blind.

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all the the factors that came in, you know, not wearing the color purple for

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heaven's sake. That was, and the day that really blew up in court, I was standing

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there wearing a purple shirt. We had to kind of scrub everything for the

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color purple, which was a unique experience. I have a lot of purple. It's purple.

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Through it all, they were a team and put that oath of public service into play

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big time. Once it became a change of venue they were like well this is you don't

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have to go if you can't or don't want to so but I there was no way I was going

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to abandon them. I needed to go. Any point any time of the day and that was kind of

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our rule of the team was at 6 a.m. or 10 p.m. we ran the group chat and made

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sure we supported each other professionally and personally. I really wanted the

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family to have peace and closure in us.

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And I really wanted their face to be restored

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in our community.

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We're in the first degree to the maximum sentence

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that I can impose by law.

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It gave me a term in a term of 25 years to life.

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I mean, I felt like they'd be able to probably see my heart.

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I'm moving through my blouse because we were just so vested with all the time and the hours and being away from our families. I just was happy to be involved with finally getting to a point where we could see justice for, you know, Kristen and her family. You know, it came together where we had the right people in the right

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positions to make it happen. If one of us didn't do our job, it was going to fall apart.

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There is no amount of gratitude. It makes you feel almost guilty to know that people have had to sacrifice so much.

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It's a little like verbally, but you couldn't ask for a better team than the Becky back in the

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little reveal film. They're simply the best at what they do. Take them out of the case, and the case

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would have been less effective.

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It was very stressful, but it was an experience

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that I looked back on through that whole thing

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and think, you know, we did it.

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Anything you want to add?

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No, but if there was no this,

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I miss all three of you very much

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and hope you're doing well.

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So we will figure out reading the resolution

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because we basically says everything

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that was in the video, but I do want to call up

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a victim witness center assistant director, Beth Robb,

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Parallegal, Becky Cripe, and Witness Coordinator,

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Eloise Abassinger, who worked long hours and helped bring

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this case to successful conclusion.

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Congratulations, right there.

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Are those the resolutions there?

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Why don't we hand them, and we'll have them.

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Here you go.

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You need to get one of these.

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Becky.

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Go ahead and open them up.

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Here you go.

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It's good.

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Yes.

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And if you guys have something you'd like to say, we'd like to hear from you, but I also,

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Denise Smart and Stan Smart and the family couldn't be here today, but they wanted me to look you in the eye

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and tell you how much they truly appreciate all three of you.

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I don't have anything planned to say, but I can't leave a microphone alone.

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So, I just want to say thank you for this recognition and because of all the work we did as a team.

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And I just really want to say I appreciate these two ladies.

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There were so many times that we did, you know, go to the meeting after the day of trial with Chris at like five, six o'clock whatever and then we'd go and have a girl's dinner or whatever and hang out and it was wonderful to have their support and decompress with them and I just really appreciate them and the whole team and I just wish the smarts the best.

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They are amazing and resilient, and I believe they do have their faith restored in our community for all we did, so thank you.

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Thank you.

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I just want to say thanks for the recognition and the honor, and it was a privilege to be on the team that was able to go and fight for that justice for Kristen and her family, and so thank you for today, and I am thrilled to have been on the team and honored.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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And I also want to say thank you very much.

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Would a privilege and an order to work with this amazing team.

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So we're going to actually go to public comment, but I'm going to do chairman's prerogative,

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and I'm going to ask Yucinia to bring her team up.

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We've already done the resolution, but I want to only do a photograph, and then we'll have

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each of you speak, and then we'll start public comment, but this will be part of public comment.

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So let's get a photo.

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Oh, come on up.

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Let's do for that.

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Let me mark the video.

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All right. Thank you so much, Board of Supervisors, for accommodating us. We were making our drive over the grain. It is with great honor that we are thankful to be recognized by such an important body of our county. Mojita's Exxion started from the diagnosis of breast cancer of my mother 11 years ago. And so we're just very thankful for the opportunity where a blessing was disguised in a moment of fear.

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of something like breast cancer.

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And we know that women in slow county are touched by breast cancer regardless of their

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language, regardless of their economic status, regardless of race.

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And so it has been something personal for Mojira's ex-hion to educate women, especially the

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Latinac community, which is so crucial to the backbone of our community.

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So I want to say thank you to our district representative, John Pashon, who was present

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and at our gala that happened in November.

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And for those folks that want to participate

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or don't know more about our group,

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we recently became a physically sponsored nonprofit.

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And because of the need for the Latina community,

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that extends to serving children,

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that extends to civic engagement,

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as well as other resources,

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we now have that physical sponsorship

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thanks to ecologistic.

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So Mojitas X, your own women of action,

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we wouldn't be doing our part

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if we did not take up space to also touch

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on a most important issue happening in Barcelona, which is the possible school closure of the 36th Street Campus, also known as Georgia Brown.

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So we want to take the opportunity to also advocate for education equity, which we know that there is a possible school closure.

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We encourage the community to be involved, to speak to the school board, elected officials, as well as supporting our community.

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This is an issue that will impact all of us there and pass a road list.

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So part of my head is X-ion is not only that we talk about breast cancer, but we talk about issues affecting our local community.

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And it is with great pride that we represent the North County, which often doesn't get highlighted, or we see a lot of action, but

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we've seen a lot of transformation happening.

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So once again, thank you for this honor and we look forward to 10 or 20 or even 50 years more in the community.

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So thank you so much.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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And I just say something really quick and Spanish.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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yo el espacio de estar aquí presentes hoy en esta junta mujeres de acción

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seguimos adelante con 10 o 20 hasta 50 años más queremos darles gracias a

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los voluntarios a todas las personas que nos han apoyado a través de los 10

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años y los más años que siguen muchísimas gracias a un especial abrenda e

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chavarria campover de amaría a guilar campover de y también a yolita flores y

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también a las mujeres más que no pudieron venir hoy pero estamos aquí en

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representations de ellas, seguimos adelante, y si se puede, gracias.

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Just to see if there's a board members would like to add anything additional to that.

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Supervisor Ortiz-Lay?

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I'm so glad you made it down the hill, and to come and see us, and to share with us, and

437
00:38:55,760 --> 00:39:03,400
know how passionate you are about your community, and about helping all entirely the North County with so

438
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,900
So many of the issues that they face, and so thank you for being here and thank you for all your work.

439
00:39:08,580 --> 00:39:11,040
And I too will add that, thank you very, very much.

440
00:39:11,140 --> 00:39:14,700
You are a shining light in San Luis Obispo County, your organization.

441
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,240
Well, how does the axiom does incredible work?

442
00:39:17,420 --> 00:39:19,840
And so the community thanks you for all you do.

443
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,060
Okay, with that, we are now going to go to public comment.

444
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:31,620
And so we have a number of public comment speakers, I'm going to call each name if you would like to speak in public comment.

445
00:39:31,620 --> 00:39:37,180
please fill out a yellow slip and we will get you through you have three minutes

446
00:39:37,180 --> 00:39:45,840
and first up Clementine Ellis will be followed by Andrea C. Strand so

447
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:53,480
short

448
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:59,400
sorry good morning my name is Clementine Ellis with Lumina Alliance and in case

449
00:39:59,400 --> 00:39:59,960
you don't know we

450
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:29,980
We will provide services to those impacted by sexual and intimate partner violence, including three emergency shelters and 10 transitional housing units across San Luis Obispo County. I really appreciate the opportunity to address you this morning. In addition to providing food, clothing, personal hygiene items, infant care items, and access to medical care and transportation, clients participating in our housing programs receive a wide range of services available in English and Spanish. Those include clinical counseling, advocacy services, support with a point

451
00:40:29,980 --> 00:40:33,440
applying for temporary restraining orders, and 24-hour crisis support.

452
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:40,480
Additionally, we provide personalized self-sufficiency planning to support clients in applying for permanent housing, employment, and legal help.

453
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:55,440
With the county's support, Lumina Alliance annually answers nearly 2,200 crisis calls, houses an average of 170 women, men, and children fleeing violence, and provides therapy services to over 380 individuals to support their healing journeys.

454
00:40:56,060 --> 00:41:00,380
Unfortunately, like other victim service providers across California and the United States,

455
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,740
Luminant Alliance faces dramatic cuts to the Victims of Crime Act or Voka funding.

456
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:09,520
Without Governor Newsom's inclusion of funding to backfill federal cuts using state funds,

457
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:13,220
Luminant Alliance could face cuts between $600 and $800,000.

458
00:41:14,100 --> 00:41:16,880
I'm supposed to take a dramatic pause there for effect.

459
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:22,600
We have been reliant on these funds to maintain the quality services we provide year after year.

460
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:27,900
and we are asking the county to prioritize funding to help us continue to provide these vital services.

461
00:41:28,460 --> 00:41:32,320
We know that one in three women will experience intimate partner or sexual violence in their

462
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:38,500
lifetime. That's more than 47,000 people in San Luis Obespo county alone. We also know that 38%

463
00:41:38,500 --> 00:41:42,520
of victims of domestic violence will experience homelessness as a result of their abuse.

464
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:47,480
Compounding these challenges, victims face an ever more expensive housing market. Last year,

465
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:51,920
Our San Los Abbaspo was named the second least affordable, small metro area in the country.

466
00:41:52,620 --> 00:42:02,800
While these facts are disheartening, there is hope, hope and the possibility of breaking the cycle of violence by providing safe shelter and helping individuals and families heal and live lives filled with peace.

467
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:10,020
Our services are essential to those in supporting those individuals and families experiencing violence throughout San Los Abbaspo County.

468
00:42:10,020 --> 00:42:20,520
We appreciate the opportunity to address you, and we urge you to continue funding Luminon Alliance shelter operations and wraparound services via general fund support and emergency solutions grant dollars.

469
00:42:20,900 --> 00:42:21,840
Thank you.

470
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:27,740
Andrea C. Strand will be followed by, I think it's D.C.

471
00:42:28,380 --> 00:42:28,900
Durelister?

472
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:31,240
Good morning.

473
00:42:31,820 --> 00:42:37,380
Andrea C. Strand resident of San Luis Obispo County and president of the Central Coast Tax Spheres Association.

474
00:42:37,380 --> 00:42:47,000
Well besides the federal government this year's California State Legislative Session and it with a declaration of a war on forgotten taxpayers.

475
00:42:47,620 --> 00:42:59,520
The California Tax Foundation recently reported more than $10 billion a year in higher taxes and fees were approved by lawmakers and the governor in 2023.

476
00:43:01,730 --> 00:43:06,340
This will increase the cost of living for all forgotten taxpayers.

477
00:43:06,340 --> 00:43:13,020
Check out the California Tax Foundation's tax and fee report, it is an eye-opener.

478
00:43:13,720 --> 00:43:25,200
And I want to remind all that tax proposals not successful in 2023 in the state legislature can be acted upon and passed in 2024, so be prepared.

479
00:43:27,140 --> 00:43:36,320
Then there's the state's $58 billion budget deficit, and also the big attack on Proposition 13, which as you all know,

480
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:43,120
the removal of a two-thirds vote of the electorate required to pass local special taxes and they want

481
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:49,380
to bring it down to 55%, makes it a lot easier to raise those taxes. And this Board of Supervisor

482
00:43:49,380 --> 00:43:55,840
Majority supports the lowering of that vote. And I might add that the Board of Supervisors just

483
00:43:55,840 --> 00:44:02,960
raised fees and added mandates on many of their constituents. And let's not forget Slocock,

484
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:15,340
San Luis Obispo Council of Government pushing for a county increase in the sales tax, and I might say the $943 million unfunded pension liability.

485
00:44:16,020 --> 00:44:23,560
And finally, the majority of this Board of Supervisors voted to raise their salaries by 26% over the next three years.

486
00:44:23,860 --> 00:44:29,940
In the meantime, San Luis Obispo, many small businesses are closing and

487
00:44:29,940 --> 00:44:36,660
forgotten taxpayers, your constituents are experiencing an increase in the cost of living,

488
00:44:37,020 --> 00:44:44,480
whether it be rent, trying to get a mortgage on a new home, trying to pay for their food costs,

489
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:50,080
the energy costs, the heating costs, filling up the car, and the healthcare, and we can go on

490
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:57,720
and on. While this brings back memories of that old song from the Beatles in 1966, maybe some of you

491
00:44:57,720 --> 00:44:59,860
They don't remember it, but it was called the text.

492
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,360
And they were basically protesting the United Kingdom for their taxes they had to pay. So I'd like to end on this note. Let me tell you how it will be. There's one for you and 19 for me. Yeah, I have because I'm the tax man. Should five percent appear too small? Be thankful. I don't take it all because I'm the tax man. And if you try to sit, I'll tax your seat. If you get too cold, I'll tax your heat.

493
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:33,740
If you take a walk, well, I'll tax your feet, because I'm the tax man.

494
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:34,320
Thank you.

495
00:45:34,460 --> 00:45:35,360
I'm the tax man.

496
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:37,720
See you next year, thank you.

497
00:45:38,020 --> 00:45:40,800
De-Durlesser is up first.

498
00:45:42,700 --> 00:45:45,780
And we followed by Sebastian Salazar.

499
00:45:50,050 --> 00:45:56,370
And Dee, I think I have two speaker slips for you, but you only get to speak one time, so come on up.

500
00:45:56,370 --> 00:46:02,690
Well, actually, I could have enough to take up the whole meeting, but I was advised to keep it cool.

501
00:46:03,450 --> 00:46:09,830
It's kind of a good coincidence that Missy Strand, who I've never met, and I've heard about her for years,

502
00:46:10,630 --> 00:46:13,650
brought up some of the things that she did, so I was taxing and the costs.

503
00:46:14,930 --> 00:46:18,750
I know you won't smile by the time you're, I'm through, but the where I applaud.

504
00:46:19,590 --> 00:46:23,570
But I am one of the people you technically may call homeless, and I have been

505
00:46:23,570 --> 00:46:32,730
And often on, for about 13 years now, I'm in my late 60s, and it's been quite a stress, I could probably.

506
00:46:35,810 --> 00:46:45,850
Anyway, what I'm here basically is about the attempted and ongoing proceeding closure of the SAF parking at Oklahoma, Kansas,

507
00:46:45,850 --> 00:46:52,210
is off of Highway 1, which we might not seem like it has been appreciated by most of us

508
00:46:52,210 --> 00:46:57,390
even though it has, and there's been many shortcomings and changes in staff and all that.

509
00:46:58,070 --> 00:47:07,370
But some of us that are left now are really suffering and losing sleep, worrying that we will

510
00:47:07,370 --> 00:47:14,270
have nowhere to go. Being that the costs are high, being that there are just no places, being that

511
00:47:14,270 --> 00:47:19,450
But it's all that a season and people either are not renting, not dealing with this,

512
00:47:19,690 --> 00:47:21,630
want to deal with more happy family things.

513
00:47:22,490 --> 00:47:27,730
And I myself, if I were to have to be out, I could maybe stay at a campground for

514
00:47:28,230 --> 00:47:32,350
a week or two, maybe the month that they let me, then where do I go?

515
00:47:32,790 --> 00:47:39,030
Right now I am down, my car is down, there had been promises by Jeff who was the manager there, Jeff Elmachat.

516
00:47:40,370 --> 00:47:48,930
And to do some car repairs and later to give me a generator because I've been staying there the whole two years without power.

517
00:47:49,350 --> 00:47:51,790
So I'm suffering in the heat, suffering in the cold and all that.

518
00:47:52,670 --> 00:47:55,050
That seems to have been reneged, it's never been mentioned.

519
00:47:57,550 --> 00:48:05,850
And I'm still helping to represent the rest of us that have no place to go and don't really know what else to say.

520
00:48:05,850 --> 00:48:10,430
Okay, but hopefully some sympathy comes, we really need the site to stay open.

521
00:48:10,930 --> 00:48:14,330
We can improve it, or we can find another site.

522
00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:21,550
I'm very let down that another spot was not found for RV people that do plan on keeping their RVs.

523
00:48:22,750 --> 00:48:26,830
So it's kind of in the ball court here, so thank you.

524
00:48:29,030 --> 00:48:37,050
Sebastian Salazar, followed by, it's either David Richford or Dan Richford.

525
00:48:37,810 --> 00:48:38,450
David?

526
00:48:38,990 --> 00:48:39,170
Okay.

527
00:48:39,410 --> 00:48:39,550
David.

528
00:48:41,740 --> 00:48:42,220
Good morning.

529
00:48:42,820 --> 00:48:47,820
I am a former resident of the Oklahoma Parking site.

530
00:48:48,420 --> 00:48:50,220
I was kicked out for something I didn't do.

531
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:55,220
My trailer was stored away at the toy yard and now I'm nowhere to go.

532
00:48:55,220 --> 00:49:02,480
So, I'm on the streets, they promised me to help me with rent while I went to truck driving school, which is not a promise anymore.

533
00:49:03,020 --> 00:49:07,160
I also have a ban on my name so I can't even go to the shelter, all for something I didn't do.

534
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,900
So, I would like to go back to the site, of course, because I have nowhere to go.

535
00:49:18,180 --> 00:49:19,640
Thank you, David.

536
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:26,120
Richford, followed by Shelly, just to Shelly.

537
00:49:28,220 --> 00:49:28,940
How y'all doing?

538
00:49:28,940 --> 00:49:29,340
Good.

539
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:30,720
My name's Dave Ritchford.

540
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,600
I'm also here from Oklahoma State Parking.

541
00:49:35,060 --> 00:49:39,880
Unfortunately, I was involved in a bad motorcycle accident on Halloween night and I was in the

542
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:41,000
hospital most of the month.

543
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:47,700
And upon being released from the hospital, I was advised by social services at the hospital

544
00:49:47,700 --> 00:49:52,480
that kept calling and said I was no longer allowed on property.

545
00:49:53,660 --> 00:49:54,700
I had nowhere to go.

546
00:49:55,220 --> 00:49:56,480
My trailer's on property.

547
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:57,220
I can't go in there.

548
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:57,920
My trailer.

549
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:59,360
I can't do nothing.

550
00:50:00,140 --> 00:50:26,500
I've got three bread and ribs. I've got my COPD is going to pay wire, and everyone from my daughter let me stay there for a couple weeks, I don't know where I'd be. And right now it's, that place needs to stay open a little while. I've got three people trying to help me find apartments, and there's just none to be found. I've gone, I've been to payments myself. Now I can't do it because I can't already get around.

551
00:50:29,300 --> 00:50:39,420
We just think you guys find some way to keep it open for a little while longer to help us out because we do appreciate it and we try to keep it clean.

552
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:46,000
My brother and I were running the food bank in there and we kept going all the way up till I guess this week it shut down.

553
00:50:46,420 --> 00:50:49,440
I couldn't do because I'm not out on property no more for no reason.

554
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,260
And I still haven't figured out, Jeff hasn't told me why.

555
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:54,320
She just says, bad for my health.

556
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:56,160
Well, get on the streets first.

557
00:50:57,240 --> 00:51:00,640
So, I mean, hopefully you guys find some ways to see

558
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:02,520
in your hearts, keep it open.

559
00:51:02,660 --> 00:51:05,140
I mean, the holidays are here, and a lot of us have nowhere to go.

560
00:51:05,780 --> 00:51:08,920
And we don't want to go back in there and be a new to the community,

561
00:51:09,500 --> 00:51:12,620
because they don't need it, and we don't need their harassment.

562
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:17,160
So, we appreciate your thoughts, and hopefully,

563
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,160
Let me give us some leeway here.

564
00:51:19,940 --> 00:51:20,220
Thank you.

565
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:26,160
Shelly, followed by Michael Mays.

566
00:51:33,420 --> 00:51:34,340
I'm Shelly Elder.

567
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:39,940
I don't have what I wrote, but I'm going to wing it.

568
00:51:42,100 --> 00:51:47,240
What I want to talk about is when I was reading in the paper,

569
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:53,060
cap slow acts like they have come through for us, they haven't.

570
00:51:53,060 --> 00:52:02,260
The last spring they were considered a failure and so since then we're on a landfill.

571
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,240
I don't know if you all know that, but we are on an army landfill.

572
00:52:05,940 --> 00:52:07,820
And so everybody there is not well.

573
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:16,020
We're beginning to have heavy metal toxicity symptoms and over the last six months I've just

574
00:52:16,020 --> 00:52:18,200
been watching other people go downhill.

575
00:52:20,180 --> 00:52:28,720
But Capslow, we weren't attending the meetings the last six months, because we haven't been well, we haven't felt good.

576
00:52:29,500 --> 00:52:34,920
And they would just say all kinds of things in the paper that wasn't true.

577
00:52:35,300 --> 00:52:38,800
They didn't do anything different than they did before.

578
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:40,640
They did nothing.

579
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:42,380
You know,

580
00:52:44,790 --> 00:52:53,890
I don't know whose idea it was to close it down, but please do not take into account what Capsule has said about us.

581
00:52:54,310 --> 00:52:57,970
I mean, they have, we're like pariahs now, everything they've said in the press.

582
00:52:58,570 --> 00:53:08,410
We never even had a chance to prove the allegations of handing drugs through the fence.

583
00:53:08,410 --> 00:53:14,190
We want to see the surveillance never showed it to us.

584
00:53:14,750 --> 00:53:18,890
And we talked about ourselves, nobody's ever been near any of those fences.

585
00:53:19,670 --> 00:53:21,810
I mean, you just don't go near the fence.

586
00:53:22,590 --> 00:53:29,250
So if there was somebody handing stuff through the fence, it was not a resident.

587
00:53:30,110 --> 00:53:32,390
We had a lot of problems with the security guards.

588
00:53:32,950 --> 00:53:37,210
I mean, they were letting people in because they weren't doing their job.

589
00:53:37,210 --> 00:53:41,330
They were doing, they would find them taking an app.

590
00:53:42,150 --> 00:53:46,570
They found them having sex in the bathroom, or you can find them in all.

591
00:53:47,650 --> 00:53:53,950
And people were coming in outside people and doing bad things, ruining our bathrooms, and

592
00:53:54,630 --> 00:54:00,250
most likely whatever we were accused of by the grant, you know, whatever was said to the grand jury.

593
00:54:00,250 --> 00:54:19,010
But the people there are good, and we've been so threatened, and I'm almost finished, I just hope you take this into account, they did nothing different, they really didn't, they were talking to the press and we weren't, that's the difference, thank you.

594
00:54:20,190 --> 00:54:21,690
Michael Mays,

595
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:25,920
okay.

596
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:28,560
Yeah, okay.

597
00:54:37,230 --> 00:54:39,050
My name is Elkorin.

598
00:54:41,060 --> 00:54:46,190
I've been a volunteer advocate in the park in the Oklahoma site for many years.

599
00:54:46,690 --> 00:54:47,870
Previously in the sources.

600
00:54:49,030 --> 00:54:59,950
When Supervisor Gibson created the Kansas Oklahoma site and promised it will be

601
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:18,020
We passed away for housing, for permanent housing in a local meeting. I told him, Mr. Gibson, it's not going to happen. And he was very upset with me. He's still upset with me. He said, I want to be on the record to say that your ill-coring is categorically wrong.

602
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:24,900
Well, Mr Gibson, I was categorically very right, and I'm still right to tell you that no

603
00:55:24,900 --> 00:55:27,740
housing, you're throwing people back to the street.

604
00:55:28,420 --> 00:55:32,680
I've known that people there almost all of them for three years before they went to the

605
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:34,840
site, and now how they've been thrown.

606
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:40,480
Devon Drake has been very busy this week, very, very busy.

607
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:43,660
He's signing all these vacating notice to them.

608
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:48,640
I am there more than that coming every day and for what?

609
00:55:49,300 --> 00:55:56,240
You will not accept it going to Prado, you are not participating, you are not accepted

610
00:55:56,240 --> 00:56:05,220
going to Santa Margarita Lake to a place where there is no electricity, there is no visitors

611
00:56:05,220 --> 00:56:10,020
around, you have no running car to be able to even go there and come back.

612
00:56:10,020 --> 00:56:17,300
You have not been participating with us, with the good people of the service provider of

613
00:56:17,300 --> 00:56:24,560
Capsule and the county, which are not, there are not good people that are providing services,

614
00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:29,600
because I know, there are no services, so we can be clear and say there are no services,

615
00:56:30,580 --> 00:56:35,880
and we are going to be clear that we say we need money to maintain the site and build

616
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:42,760
a few more sites like that, because these people, while they are not completely homeless

617
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:51,520
because they have their vehicles, they are houseless, but they are unhoused, but they

618
00:56:51,520 --> 00:57:00,040
do have homes, deserve to actually have some amenities and some respect and getting to

619
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:05,860
know them. So now they are being threatened out, but this week, but next week, we had

620
00:57:05,860 --> 00:57:12,680
no choice. And as you know, we've unionized, they've unionized months ago, year ago. And

621
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:22,660
we are on the last minute of getting the union attorney to intervene. So we hope that you

622
00:57:22,660 --> 00:57:29,480
will stand by the union, you'll stand by them, and you'll allow this site to be open to

623
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:34,940
stay open and people not kicked out. Sebastian was kicked out for a lie. I mean, forget

624
00:57:34,940 --> 00:57:40,160
to do process. There is no due process there. What kind of respect people get when they

625
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:44,160
have been kicked out? I was kicked out. Thank you. Your time is up. Thank you.

626
00:57:46,070 --> 00:57:49,170
But it's not about me, so that's good. Thank you for stopping me then.

627
00:57:49,930 --> 00:57:50,850
Michael Mays

628
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:54,940
last call from Michael.

629
00:57:58,800 --> 00:57:58,880
Okay.

630
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:08,380
Excuse me. You're not Michael.

631
00:58:10,700 --> 00:58:15,980
She can submit that but she can't read it so if you could submit that to the clerk right there.

632
00:58:16,020 --> 00:58:16,540
Are you going to read

633
00:58:19,260 --> 00:58:19,400
it?

634
00:58:19,620 --> 00:58:20,140
And you're Michael?

635
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:21,620
Okay, Michael.

636
00:58:21,980 --> 00:58:22,440
Come on down.

637
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:24,240
We'll make it easy.

638
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:25,720
Easy stuff.

639
00:58:27,620 --> 00:58:28,340
Thank you.

640
00:58:28,660 --> 00:58:29,040
Go ahead.

641
00:58:33,100 --> 00:58:39,960
So we've contacted the union attorney because we realized that our civil rights were being taken

642
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:47,420
from us. When discussing this contract, we found out how much the security guards had been

643
00:58:48,060 --> 00:58:53,960
neglecting their responsibilities at night. How many residents ran into people that were

644
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:59,660
not residents here, yet they were coming in out of the streets or hanging out at the picnic

645
00:58:59,660 --> 00:59:07,940
tables. The guards weren't guarding the entrance or the perimeter. They had found to be napping.

646
00:59:09,140 --> 00:59:12,500
having sex in the bathroom or just not to be found at all.

647
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:20,620
And we were being blamed for the people coming in to the site when there was no security

648
00:59:20,620 --> 00:59:27,420
and the county was paying for them, security, but they weren't providing it.

649
00:59:28,340 --> 00:59:37,160
So we requested to see the surveillance footage and they wouldn't let us see that.

650
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:46,060
So we decided to contact the attorney of the homeless association.

651
00:59:46,740 --> 00:59:51,840
The morning of the meeting, residents were being informed of the time that the attorney would arrive.

652
00:59:53,100 --> 00:59:59,700
They were informed that when it went to attend, we wouldn't know until later on that afternoon each resident who

653
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:07,160
We had informed by the time of the meeting that a security guard named Richard was following

654
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:16,160
up every visit that was being held with the resident. And he informed them, if they attended

655
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:22,580
the meeting, they were going to be the first to be kicked out of safe parking if they were

656
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:24,760
anywhere close to the meeting.

657
01:00:25,140 --> 01:00:29,120
So what he did was violate our right to assemble.

658
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:33,260
And they're turning left because there was nobody there.

659
01:00:34,620 --> 01:00:40,300
One of the residents who he talked to was so

660
01:00:40,300 --> 01:00:46,680
that while we have rights, and he told them, you have no rights because you live here for free.

661
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:47,500
Those,

662
01:00:52,090 --> 01:01:00,010
we weren't informed until after the attorney had left before we were informed of what had happened.

663
01:01:01,430 --> 01:01:06,090
So we felt that this is a direct violation of our right to assemble.

664
01:01:06,930 --> 01:01:07,530
Thank you.

665
01:01:09,390 --> 01:01:11,570
Thank you, Naomi Deidreau.

666
01:01:14,450 --> 01:01:16,670
Okay, Paul Hirschfeld.

667
01:01:17,110 --> 01:01:19,290
He's on his way here because he's doing it.

668
01:01:21,370 --> 01:01:22,550
Paul Hirschfeld, okay.

669
01:01:22,550 --> 01:01:24,290
Gary Kirkland.

670
01:01:36,940 --> 01:01:39,340
Thank you, Gary Kirkland from Attasca Dero.

671
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:51,680
I read an article in the local paper where Supervisor Gibson was a judge at local meeting.

672
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:58,540
I think it was a conference at Cal Poly for several students and I want to congratulate him for being and doing that.

673
01:01:58,540 --> 01:02:07,080
And also, I want to talk about his article and also the recall.

674
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:26,320
I hope that Mr. Gibson or Supervisor, I'm sorry, did not tell those students that it was okay to revert to false reasoning when he responded to the recall petition.

675
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:39,440
by name calling this, he called, the people who support the recall sore losers and mega fanatics.

676
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:52,000
I said on this lectern last week, or the last time I was here, that when I'm in a debate with someone and they revert to false reasoning, I run up the victory flag.

677
01:02:54,180 --> 01:03:00,600
Also, I hope he didn't teach those students that it's okay to lie in a debate.

678
01:03:01,660 --> 01:03:08,240
When I was here, when the county was considering taking over the Nippomo Fire District,

679
01:03:08,860 --> 01:03:13,420
I said I didn't want my taxes going to pay for the Nippomo Fire District.

680
01:03:14,300 --> 01:03:20,500
And he said that, well, I won't be because I'm a resident of a task of error.

681
01:03:20,500 --> 01:03:36,360
Well, I contacted the tax collector and said some of my taxes go into the general fund and in this very room, while they were discussing it, they were said the general fund will be used to pay for the part of the

682
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:39,980
the Nippomel Fire District.

683
01:03:40,990 --> 01:03:49,460
Also in his reply to the recall, he mentioned, quote,

684
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:55,480
this is an illegitimate use of a constitutional right.

685
01:03:56,260 --> 01:04:01,240
Now, it's an unsustainuated assertion because he didn't part any evidence

686
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:07,780
is to why using a recall is an illegitimate use of a constitutional right.

687
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:12,440
What is a illegitimate use of a constitutional right?

688
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:20,640
Also in his letter in the paper, he mentioned he doesn't like ridicule.

689
01:04:20,940 --> 01:04:25,120
I find ridicule to be an effective tool to mold behavior.

690
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:28,800
When my students were in high school in junior high,

691
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:36,500
Okay, there were students who used drugs, and I'll finish this later about why I use Ridicule.

692
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:37,660
Thank you very much.

693
01:04:37,740 --> 01:04:38,020
Thank you.

694
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:39,180
Paul Hershfield.

695
01:04:40,780 --> 01:04:43,560
Okay, we're going to go ahead and close public comments.

696
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:46,940
Appreciate everybody's time, supervised reporting.

697
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:49,780
Thank you, Chair Boshan, I just have a couple brief comments.

698
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:57,600
I want to respond to members of the public and those who have attended our meeting today, especially from the Oklahoma site.

699
01:04:57,600 --> 01:04:59,940
I know the circumstances you're dealing with.

700
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:29,940
Finally, right now are challenging to say the least. I know that every interaction with our homeless service division staff or cap slow can be perceived through a different lens. I think the common thread is that the county of San Francisco is working to try to place everybody there with an alternative. The homeless service division has been working tirelessly on the wind down plan where 76 people have been relocated. There are approximately

701
01:05:29,940 --> 01:05:31,900
currently 29 people remaining on the site.

702
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:37,180
Seven individuals have been delivered a request to vacate by December 15th.

703
01:05:37,220 --> 01:05:43,320
All of those individuals are being offered services through cap slow and can take advantage of available spots at 40 Prado and Echo.

704
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:55,140
So I know that your circumstances may vary and we're here to assist but it is the goal of this board to work with you and

705
01:05:55,140 --> 01:05:58,600
And hopefully find placement for everybody, so no one ends up on the street.

706
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:01,020
Just wanted to make those comments for the record, thank you.

707
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:04,400
Thank you, sorry, nope, no, I'm sorry.

708
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:15,740
We're gonna see this as any other comments, not we're then moving on to item number six, which is item number six was in.

709
01:06:16,260 --> 01:06:20,560
And so go ahead and I'd ask the clerk to introduce the item.

710
01:06:21,300 --> 01:06:24,960
Ma'am, you can't approach, sorry ma'am, you cannot approach this.

711
01:06:25,340 --> 01:06:25,960
Thank you.

712
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:29,820
We're going to take a 10 minute break and we'll be back.

713
01:06:38,580 --> 01:06:43,720
Okay, we're going to bring this meeting back to order and I'd ask the clerk to introduce the item.

714
01:06:43,820 --> 01:06:44,960
This is item number six.

715
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:50,600
Request to review and approve the appointments of board members to various committees and commissions.

716
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:57,800
And in addition to that, adding that the San Luis Bospillac County Integrated Lace Management Authority

717
01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:01,620
an already appointment of one representative and one alternate.

718
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:02,800
Okay.

719
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:06,380
And we have a presentation today from administrative office.

720
01:07:07,020 --> 01:07:08,200
Yes, thank you, Mr. Chair.

721
01:07:08,420 --> 01:07:12,860
Good morning, members of the Board, Rebecca Campbell, acting County Administrative Officer.

722
01:07:14,340 --> 01:07:21,340
Annually, we go through a process to seek interest from the Board for various committees for the upcoming calendar year.

723
01:07:21,340 --> 01:07:28,060
Staff has worked with the legislative assistant staff to go through that process and received input.

724
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:32,980
So outlined in the report are a list of all the committees.

725
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:38,680
I want a note to the board that there remains a concern about three of the committees.

726
01:07:39,900 --> 01:07:46,260
Those committees are the local agency formation commission, the Paso Basin Cooperative Committee,

727
01:07:46,260 --> 01:07:57,680
and we're also looking for a primary and an alternate on the Integrated Waste Management Authority which is a newly added committee for calendar year 2024.

728
01:07:59,980 --> 01:08:07,680
So I'll open it up to the board for discussion and perhaps we can come up with a solution for those three committees. Thank you.

729
01:08:08,060 --> 01:08:12,000
Thank you. Bring it back to the board here for any questions.

730
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:18,260
We'll take public comment on it and seeing none, we'll go to public comment on this item.

731
01:08:18,440 --> 01:08:19,560
Do we have any public comment speakers?

732
01:08:19,700 --> 01:08:21,400
We do not, so we'll close public comment.

733
01:08:21,580 --> 01:08:22,420
Bring it back to the board.

734
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:23,800
Board discussion.

735
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:26,900
Supervisor T's leg.

736
01:08:27,660 --> 01:08:28,140
Okay.

737
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:29,320
Supervisor Arnold.

738
01:08:29,660 --> 01:08:29,760
Yeah.

739
01:08:30,140 --> 01:08:30,880
I'll go ahead.

740
01:08:32,500 --> 01:08:33,340
I don't know.

741
01:08:33,440 --> 01:08:38,300
Maybe we could get an explanation on the laugh go what the issue is there.

742
01:08:39,260 --> 01:08:49,860
and are you saying Rebecca that you don't have anyone stepping up to the plate, so to speak on the IWMA is that what's happening here?

743
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:54,380
Okay, so for the LAFCO, let's address that one first.

744
01:08:56,040 --> 01:09:04,440
We worked with staff for input, the input remained the same, but I was informed of a concern

745
01:09:06,180 --> 01:09:11,000
that there may be questions or concerns about the appointments.

746
01:09:11,340 --> 01:09:14,980
So I wanted to turn that over to board discussion on that.

747
01:09:15,820 --> 01:09:21,300
Okay, I think I've served on the left go board three years.

748
01:09:21,480 --> 01:09:23,740
Maybe it's two and I'm not, I'd have to look.

749
01:09:24,220 --> 01:09:28,220
But and I had expressed my willingness to continue.

750
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:31,760
So that may be a discussion.

751
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:37,000
I will say, oh, in the IWA, do you have?

752
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:40,220
The IWA, we are seeking a primary and an alternate.

753
01:09:40,620 --> 01:09:45,760
It is a newly added appointment for the 2024 calendar year.

754
01:09:46,460 --> 01:09:50,220
So right now, we don't have interest for either of those positions.

755
01:09:50,220 --> 01:09:56,520
And I wanted to open it to the board to seek input from the board to see who may have.

756
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:56,820
Okay.

757
01:09:57,140 --> 01:09:58,980
I was just curious what the status was.

758
01:09:58,980 --> 01:09:59,800
and last.

759
01:10:00,140 --> 01:10:08,860
I will say the chart is lengthy, but if you go to the bottom, we have four, we have five.

760
01:10:09,140 --> 01:10:30,120
We have five groundwater-based and management situations, they all have different names, but basically ever since the state legislation, the signal legislation, this county has had the five basins that are mandated by the state that we provide oversight.

761
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:35,720
on the groundwater and through the formation of groundwater sustainability agencies

762
01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:43,160
and most of these groundwater basin, the five that we're seeing are typically combinations

763
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:44,400
of different agencies.

764
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:50,020
In other words, cities that are GSA's, now we have a couple of water districts that are GSA's

765
01:10:50,020 --> 01:10:52,280
and some CSD's and so forth.

766
01:10:52,420 --> 01:10:56,920
So coming together in these particular basins to manage the groundwater,

767
01:10:57,980 --> 01:11:01,340
San Luis Obispo Basin, Groundwater Sustainability Commission,

768
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:03,600
represented by Don or T's leg.

769
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:07,260
And I see that we're being asked to vote to continue that.

770
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:08,300
Good with that.

771
01:11:09,100 --> 01:11:11,340
Supervisor T's leg represents that area.

772
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:13,920
The Lasosos Basin Management Committee,

773
01:11:14,140 --> 01:11:17,400
Supervisor Gibson, and Supervisor Gibson again.

774
01:11:17,860 --> 01:11:18,440
Good with that.

775
01:11:18,900 --> 01:11:22,740
He represents that area or has for many, many years

776
01:11:22,740 --> 01:11:23,940
and has the experience there.

777
01:11:24,940 --> 01:11:41,060
A task at our base in GSA has had very little activity because they were changed to not be a critical overdraft base and so they're not even required to do this work, but they're taking the opportunity having started the work to continue.

778
01:11:41,060 --> 01:11:54,220
and so I do sit on that, Koyama, Supervisor Pauline, and that is his district and he is representing that, representing the county on that Board of Directors.

779
01:11:54,780 --> 01:12:03,340
My problem in this, I know you all are getting tired of hearing this but I'm going to ask my fellow colleagues, how can you support this?

780
01:12:03,340 --> 01:12:32,900
Because the Paso Basin Cooperative Committee has had the representatives of that area and those constituents and those property owners since the beginning, and in the course of many years, we were able to complete a groundwater sustainability plan that was accepted by the Department of Water Resources and continue to work with the, with our constituents to always continue to make improvements to our groundwater

781
01:12:32,900 --> 01:12:38,760
situation. Last year, we were against our will. Supervisor Pashong and I were taken off

782
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:47,980
of that committee and you all voted to have Bruce Gibson who doesn't represent a little

783
01:12:47,980 --> 01:12:55,100
bit of San Miguel, but San Miguel is its own CSD and represents itself on this. So I think

784
01:12:55,100 --> 01:13:01,160
it says something about this board that you're willing to do something like that. I would like

785
01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:31,020
to change that, and it wouldn't matter to me if it was supervisor Pashong or myself, but we have the history we've done a good job on, and most importantly, we represent the people that live in that area, and I believe that just needs to change the other thing about that particular situation, the Paso Basin Cooperative Committee, is we have a staff person, playing really, this is nothing to do with playing, it's just that you have elected officials that

786
01:13:31,020 --> 01:14:00,500
but represent the constituents and property owners in that district, willing to serve, and we're putting the staff, I'm not even sure, I know I could ask county council, but it probably something to look up, I don't even know if that's legal, but I do know the spirit of the signal legislation was for people to have elected representation on these particular commissions and committees, so I just think this board is doing a disservice to the people in the North County by not allowing

787
01:14:00,500 --> 01:14:08,760
I mean, the elective representatives to continue to be part of the House Robles Cooperative Committee.

788
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:10,340
So that's into my field.

789
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:11,220
Okay.

790
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:12,320
Too much Pauling.

791
01:14:13,580 --> 01:14:16,540
Oh, well, I just wanted to maybe start with IWMA.

792
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:19,280
I'd be happy to take on that appointment.

793
01:14:20,380 --> 01:14:27,440
None of us seem to be eager for that, but I think that we have a lot of work that can be done

794
01:14:27,440 --> 01:14:31,060
on that regional body and it would be my pleasure to serve in that capacity.

795
01:14:31,440 --> 01:14:34,220
Maybe we start with doing that one, we can get to the others.

796
01:14:35,420 --> 01:14:35,880
Okay.

797
01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:36,840
Sounds great.

798
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:38,880
Supervisor Teas' leg.

799
01:14:39,060 --> 01:14:39,580
Thank you, Chair.

800
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:40,540
Excuse me.

801
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:43,640
I'll go as the alternate.

802
01:14:44,480 --> 01:14:45,720
Do they meet once a month?

803
01:14:47,180 --> 01:14:47,760
Do you know?

804
01:14:49,340 --> 01:14:50,880
I believe they meet once a month.

805
01:14:51,260 --> 01:14:51,440
Okay.

806
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:55,260
I think it's six times a year.

807
01:14:55,260 --> 01:14:57,840
All right, so it don't be sick to meet no

808
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:28,940
I'd be willing to be the alternate. Okay, so we have then supervisor Pauline would like to serve on the IWMA, supervisor or T's late would be the alternate on the IWMA. Is there a motion for that? Do you have to take public comment first? Okay. Well, I think we take public comment on all of it. So let's see if there's any other changes that or additions that people would want. I don't hear any discussion of Lafko. I actually had some interest in Lafko, but

809
01:15:28,940 --> 01:15:36,620
But I think that my play's pretty full, so we'll see how things go, so that's a big one, thank you.

810
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:42,280
All right, I'm grateful for you stepping up as the alternate of the IWMA.

811
01:15:42,460 --> 01:15:46,000
If you hadn't turned your light on, I might have been tempted to do it myself.

812
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:52,620
But I would never preempt a colleague who expressed her passion for that position.

813
01:15:52,620 --> 01:15:58,660
So yeah, you said that, not me, not I, Mr. Chairman.

814
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:08,660
So with that, I don't think it's worth a detailed rebuttal to Supervisor Arnold's concerns here.

815
01:16:08,740 --> 01:16:10,140
We've talked about that before.

816
01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:21,460
I would simply observe that Mr. Chairman, you and Supervisor Arnold voted to make me a North County Supervisor and it's been my pleasure to serve in that capacity.

817
01:16:21,460 --> 01:16:30,320
and learned quite a lot, and we're getting quite a lot done on the coordinating committee with the addition of the Australia O-Promar Water District as a partner there.

818
01:16:30,540 --> 01:16:40,120
So I think with that we could take it as a tentative motion with the supervisors pauling in our T's leg and the I-W-N-A positions.

819
01:16:40,460 --> 01:16:43,540
We have staff's recommendation on everything else.

820
01:16:43,540 --> 01:16:45,360
Then go to public comment on this item.

821
01:16:45,660 --> 01:16:46,820
See if there's any public comment.

822
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:49,240
See none, we'll close public comment.

823
01:16:49,500 --> 01:16:51,180
And bring it back for motion.

824
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:54,480
I'll make, oh, a supervisor, you want to do it?

825
01:16:54,500 --> 01:16:55,340
Oh, under discussion.

826
01:16:55,500 --> 01:16:56,320
Go ahead with the motion.

827
01:16:58,180 --> 01:17:01,580
I'll make that motion that we accept staff's recommendation

828
01:17:01,580 --> 01:17:05,040
in the staff report plus supervisor Pauling

829
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:09,580
as I do have a primary and supervisor Ortiz Lake.

830
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:11,720
No, I once, once down that road.

831
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:17,680
As, you know, to alter, as, let me seriously get the motion done, staff's recommendation,

832
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:24,520
per the staff report, plus supervisor, paulding primary to IWMA, supervisor or T's leg, alternate

833
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:28,100
to IWMA with my gratitude, and that's it.

834
01:17:28,460 --> 01:17:29,300
I'll second that motion.

835
01:17:29,620 --> 01:17:32,320
We have motion to second under discussion, supervisor Arnold.

836
01:17:32,700 --> 01:17:33,400
Thank you very much.

837
01:17:33,700 --> 01:17:39,580
So, I appreciate both supervisors or T's leg, and supervisor Paul, Pauling, volunteering to

838
01:17:39,580 --> 01:17:40,820
go on to IWMA.

839
01:17:40,820 --> 01:17:49,060
We've never had to have that position on our list before because we all use to serve every supervisor on the IWA.

840
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:59,220
I just want to be on the record saying that I am not in support of the way that we've rejoined.

841
01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:09,260
This board has rejoined the IWA, the prior board had pulled out partly due to the problems over the years of the misuse of funds and

842
01:18:09,260 --> 01:18:38,520
and potentially millions of dollars, but also the habits of the IWMA had, it had become a habit to be legislating using that word to legislate instead of kind of what I feel like the intention of the creation of IWMA was to just pool resources, financial resources to help both the cities and the county worked together on the recycle mandates and so forth.

843
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:43,880
But we left, now we're going back, and it's a different formation.

844
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:52,320
So my concern is, and I'll just go on the record saying it, that each one of the cities will continue to have a representative.

845
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:59,660
One single person representing all of the CSDs in the county will have a representative's.

846
01:18:59,960 --> 01:19:06,720
And then the entire and incorporated area, if it's not already covered by a CSD,

847
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:28,440
We will have one vote, one single supervisor, and I don't believe that the, I'm not supportive of the formation that new formation that we're entering into with one single vote representing so many people, so many areas of the county, so the county will just end up with one vote on that board of, I guess it'll be nine.

848
01:19:28,440 --> 01:19:36,980
So, anyway, that was just a little bit of a ramp that I am really looking to my colleague.

849
01:19:37,020 --> 01:19:42,340
Supervisor Gibson has already commented on how he feels about the Paso Basin.

850
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:47,500
But I mean, really think about it because you're elected officials representing district

851
01:19:47,500 --> 01:19:50,680
and the constituents that voted for you.

852
01:19:51,260 --> 01:19:57,080
This is just wrong what we're doing as a board, not allowing that Paso Robles groundwater

853
01:19:57,080 --> 01:19:59,240
the water basin to be represented by the elected...

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That represent them on this county board of supervisors. So, I really hope that this board will support me in trying to make that change today. Okay. Any further discussion? Supervisor Gibson? Okay. Supervisor Paulin. Thank you, Chair Pishon. I just wanted to make a couple comments about IWMA, very brief comments.

855
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:34,380
That's obviously, as the Professor Arnold mentioned, there has been kind of a reorganization.

856
01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:38,800
Only one member of our board will be on the IWMA board.

857
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:45,420
I do think that many of the concerns that had been identified by the prior board about IWMA,

858
01:20:46,540 --> 01:20:56,460
exceeding the scope of state mandates, et cetera, have been addressed through changes to the JPA that now prohibit the board from going beyond state mandates.

859
01:20:56,460 --> 01:21:26,240
I also see the advantage of being able to reduce garbage rate increases, which we've seen earlier this year that will save our taxpayers about $700,000 per year, which is critical given the fact that we have a budget deficit that we're facing next year, and then of course the benefits of regional cooperation working with the seven cities and the CSDs to eliminate the duplicate efforts of having a separate internal department here at the county.

860
01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:31,880
Okay, so for those reasons, I support our board rejoining IWMA and I think it'll be a good thing.

861
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:32,400
Thank you.

862
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:33,200
Okay.

863
01:21:34,060 --> 01:21:35,100
Supervisor Teasley.

864
01:21:35,260 --> 01:21:35,640
Thank you.

865
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:48,280
I also want to mention in addition to the IWMA is that there was a lot of what was accused

866
01:21:48,280 --> 01:21:51,140
at one point at the IWMA and some mismanagement.

867
01:21:51,500 --> 01:21:52,980
I don't think any of it was in Ferries.

868
01:21:52,980 --> 01:22:01,200
I think it was sloppy management, and it has been very well done cleaned up.

869
01:22:01,500 --> 01:22:10,200
So while there was probably a good case to take to the itemy at the time, I think that the expense

870
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:16,540
that the county has taken in and creating our own at 2 million plus plus the extra that cost

871
01:22:16,540 --> 01:22:22,320
that we're going to have to pass to the ratepayers made sense for us to go back.

872
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:25,120
The IWMA is now under really great leadership.

873
01:22:25,620 --> 01:22:30,820
There will be no expansion beyond what's mandated by the state.

874
01:22:31,480 --> 01:22:36,680
And I think that we're all, have learned a lot from that experience as a JPA.

875
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:42,700
So, you know, it's, it's, it's unfortunate that it went through that whole rigmarole,

876
01:22:42,700 --> 01:22:45,480
but it, it did and I think we're in much better shape now.

877
01:22:45,900 --> 01:22:51,040
In regards to your request to President O'Leham, you know, I know how much you care about

878
01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:54,900
the basin and know how much you care about the area that you represent.

879
01:22:55,440 --> 01:23:02,240
I do think that the fact that we had the patent map provided this opportunity is kind of

880
01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:02,640
ironic.

881
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:09,640
And frankly, in the most respectful way, I just want to say that so much of what's happened

882
01:23:09,640 --> 01:23:12,520
at the basin for so long was not really going in the right direction.

883
01:23:12,660 --> 01:23:19,240
And I think that goodness that we actually have taken on as a board, we all agreed to get

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01:23:19,240 --> 01:23:45,260
Blaine really in and he's done a fantastic job and I think that at this point in time overall that all the basins are really in a better management position because of Blaine and his and the consultant says he's working with and that we're just we're moving in a very good direction at all the basins and so I think that will, you know, I'm supportive of keeping things the way they are.

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01:23:49,560 --> 01:24:15,480
I just can't help but ask, want to ask, Supervisor Teeslake, why you would think that the Paso Basin had not been going in the right direction when after many years of work we had created a groundwater sustainability plan that had been for managing the groundwater that had been accepted by the DWR and we were well on our way to, well, we were on our way to sustainability.

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01:24:15,480 --> 01:24:19,520
what we were still trying to work on was a more fair distribution of the water.

887
01:24:19,820 --> 01:24:28,380
So a few of the newer large pumpers weren't getting all the water and we would be able to spread it out like it used to be amongst all the property owners in a more fair way.

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01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:31,600
We had an accomplished stat and that's been taken off the table.

889
01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:37,760
But the sustainability of the groundwater certainly was happening.

890
01:24:38,420 --> 01:24:42,800
So I just, I want to correct the record because when you say things like that, that's not true.

891
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:49,740
I did work on that for 10 years and we did have a sustainability plan that was accepted and we were working on it.

892
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:55,500
So it was just actually we were having an easier time than they are down in Kwama.

893
01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:58,920
So there, but I want to make a correction to that record please.

894
01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:30,480
Supervisor? Any other supervisors? Okay. Seeing none, I'll just say that I wish that Debbie and I were on back onto the Paso Basin Cooperative Committee, but there are not three votes to let that happen, so I will be supporting this, knowing that that's just where we're going. So with that, I'm going to actually call the question and ask the clerk to go ahead and vote. Supervisor Gibson? Yes. Supervisor Fulton? Yes. Supervisor T's late? Yes. Supervisor Arnold? No.

895
01:25:30,480 --> 01:25:31,860
And Chairperson Pashant.

896
01:25:31,980 --> 01:25:32,140
Yes.

897
01:25:32,980 --> 01:25:43,160
Okay, now we're moving on to item number 24, which is, actually item number 24, we're going to ask the clerk to introduce that item, please.

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01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:51,560
Request to receive a file presentation on the County of San Luis Obispo's retirement plan, regarding the unfunded actuarial liability.

899
01:25:52,160 --> 01:25:56,800
And we have a presentation from the administrative office today.

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01:25:57,880 --> 01:25:58,800
Good morning.

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01:26:00,280 --> 01:26:13,860
Good morning, board, Lisa Howe, County Administrative Office, the Division Manager, as well as a trustee on the County Pension Trust, and with me here today is Carl Nelson, the Pension Trust Executive Director and really the expert here today.

902
01:26:14,720 --> 01:26:22,540
Today we'll be presenting on the County of San Luis Obispo's retirement plan, and specifically regarding the unfunded actuarial liability.

903
01:26:22,540 --> 01:26:32,460
And in prior years, the administrative office in coordination with the Pension Trust has presented periodically updates regarding the Pension Plan.

904
01:26:32,980 --> 01:26:40,000
Today, specifically, we're presenting due to Board direction to provide an update regarding the unfunded actuarial liability.

905
01:26:40,940 --> 01:26:47,840
It's important to note that the Pension Trust is an independent trust governed by a seven member Board of Trustees.

906
01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:52,280
The Board of Trustees administers the retirement plan and

907
01:26:52,280 --> 01:27:04,640
governs the investment of the plan assets, and the Board of Supervisors as the plan's sponsor determines the benefits as a matter of employee compensation as well as through the collective bargaining process.

908
01:27:06,750 --> 01:27:07,070
Okay.

909
01:27:09,300 --> 01:27:18,820
So I will start today on a brief overview of the overall retirement plan, and then I'll hand it over to Mr. Nelson who will discuss the unfunded actuarial liability.

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01:27:18,820 --> 01:27:19,860
So

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01:27:23,250 --> 01:27:30,110
moving into the county's retirement plan, the plan provides it a fine benefit as opposed to a fine contribution plan.

912
01:27:30,310 --> 01:27:39,850
A fine benefit plan provides benefits to members for the entirety of the members' life while at a fine contribution plan provides benefits up to a set amount.

913
01:27:40,450 --> 01:27:48,130
And the plan, as I said, is an independent retirement system under government code section 53215.

914
01:27:48,130 --> 01:28:00,270
It's not part of the CalPERS State White system, nor is it a 1937 Act Pension Association like 20 other counties in California, and it has a separate governing law.

915
01:28:00,650 --> 01:28:05,090
And this really allows for more flexibility as well as more local control.

916
01:28:06,670 --> 01:28:18,070
The Pension system includes San Luis Obispo County employees, but also contracted agencies participate in the system including the Superior Court of San Luis Obispo.

917
01:28:18,070 --> 01:28:20,290
the air pollution control district,

918
01:28:20,590 --> 01:28:24,370
Lafko, regional transit authority,

919
01:28:24,590 --> 01:28:26,590
as well as the slow pension trust itself.

920
01:28:27,630 --> 01:28:30,010
And overall, the fine benefit pensions

921
01:28:30,010 --> 01:28:32,250
continue to be a valuable employee benefit,

922
01:28:32,750 --> 01:28:34,750
as they continue to support our recruitment

923
01:28:34,750 --> 01:28:36,130
and retention of staff,

924
01:28:36,550 --> 01:28:38,690
and they are mandatory for all employees.

925
01:28:42,420 --> 01:28:46,280
So moving into how a defined benefit pension is funded,

926
01:28:46,860 --> 01:28:49,560
this illustration defines at a high level

927
01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:52,020
how to find benefits are funded.

928
01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:58,400
As shown in the blue pipes going into the pension fund, there's both employer contributions,

929
01:28:58,860 --> 01:29:04,060
as well as employee contributions, so both the county as well as county employees can

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01:29:04,060 --> 01:29:05,800
tribute to funding the pension.

931
01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:13,320
Approximately 40% is funded by the employer and 13% is funded through employee contributions.

932
01:29:13,320 --> 01:29:43,300
In addition, shown in the yellow pipe, investment earnings fund pension over the long term, and the yellow funnel typically is expected to cover about 60% of the cost of pensions, and that's since the reason we pre-fund as shown to find benefit plans is a very long term process and liabilities accrue over an entire career, and they are paid out.

933
01:29:43,300 --> 01:29:45,520
for the entirety of the life.

934
01:29:46,100 --> 01:29:49,460
And the funding plan is smooth over 20 plus years.

935
01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:55,240
And it's important to note that our pension liability is part of the rating agencies.

936
01:29:55,900 --> 01:29:59,080
And in the county's funding strategy, to pay off the-

937
01:29:59,080 --> 01:29:59,200
Thank you.

938
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:13,080
The over 20 years, so by the year 2040, it is viewed positively by rating agencies. And even at the current funding levels, the county still maintains the triple A bond rating.

939
01:30:16,060 --> 01:30:32,100
So a quick overview of the pension benefits. The benefit formula employees receive very based on the bargaining unit, the tier as well as the classification and the classifications are shown there as miscellaneous probation, safety, including sworn and non sworn safety.

940
01:30:33,500 --> 01:30:39,540
The retirement plan uses an age of entry to determine the appropriate contribution made by the employees.

941
01:30:40,100 --> 01:30:44,860
And the rate is determined by the age of entry as well as the bargaining unit,

942
01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:46,800
the tier and classification.

943
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:53,660
And depending on the hiring date, employees are placed into one of the three tiers the county pension system has.

944
01:30:53,660 --> 01:31:02,880
Tier 1 is for any of those employees pre-hired prior to 2011 and it is the consists of the

945
01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:04,760
highest benefit plan.

946
01:31:05,800 --> 01:31:12,320
In Tier 2, consists of those hires between 2011 through 2012, but it's also for those

947
01:31:12,320 --> 01:31:15,060
that have reciprocity from other pension systems.

948
01:31:15,060 --> 01:31:23,580
And tier three was a result of state mandated PEPRA, which was a public employee's pension

949
01:31:23,580 --> 01:31:28,360
reform act, and that's for all employees hired after 2013.

950
01:31:30,240 --> 01:31:36,540
And it's really important to note here that tier two was driven by the Board of Supervisors

951
01:31:36,540 --> 01:31:43,440
at the time, really being proactive to continue to make the pension system sustainable.

952
01:31:43,440 --> 01:31:53,900
and Tier 3 and Tier 2 has continued to, in the long run, reduce the overall cost of the county pays as a result of pension.

953
01:31:58,380 --> 01:32:03,120
So looking at how that has changed, the tiers have changed over the last few years.

954
01:32:03,300 --> 01:32:13,560
This slide shows 2016 where the number of active members existed in the system and then showing 2022 numbers.

955
01:32:13,560 --> 01:32:23,740
So, as you can see, the purple box here for tier one was in 2016, consisted of the majority of active employees.

956
01:32:25,080 --> 01:32:33,240
Today, it makes up a lower percentage and the green is showing tier three.

957
01:32:33,480 --> 01:32:38,700
So, over time, we'll get continuing to get more and more active employees into tier three.

958
01:32:38,700 --> 01:32:49,120
Currently tier 3 makes up 63% of all active members, and it's projected by 2040 that all active members will be in tier 3.

959
01:32:54,500 --> 01:32:59,600
This slide, a lot of numbers here, so I'll try to summarize as briefly as I can.

960
01:32:59,900 --> 01:33:06,520
This is showing the current contribution rates of the actuarial determined contribution.

961
01:33:06,520 --> 01:33:10,800
So it's showing it as a percentage of pay for each classification.

962
01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:20,200
So if you go all the way to the far right column, the total, currently, the total normal cost,

963
01:33:20,200 --> 01:33:27,880
which is the cost of occurring another year of service, is currently at 21.24%.

964
01:33:27,880 --> 01:33:37,160
And the amount, the current annual contribution for the unfunded liability portion is 30.56%.

965
01:33:37,160 --> 01:33:45,800
So a total of 52.81%, and then looking at the lower numbers there, how much of is

966
01:33:45,800 --> 01:33:55,080
paid by employees? Employees pay 13.34% of their pay to the pension system, where the

967
01:33:55,080 --> 01:34:03,620
employer, primarily the county, pays approximately 39.47% of the total contribution rate.

968
01:34:03,620 --> 01:34:04,540
And

969
01:34:10,360 --> 01:34:17,960
then moving into calculating the defined liability as well as assets for the pension, starting with the actuarial liability.

970
01:34:19,080 --> 01:34:26,440
Actuarial liability represents the present value of the future pension benefits, and it's accrued up to the present.

971
01:34:26,440 --> 01:34:33,320
So it's really a snapshot measure, but it's discounted at the discount rate or the expected investment earnings.

972
01:34:33,980 --> 01:34:42,640
And then the actual actual value of assets is the current based on market value of the pension funded assets.

973
01:34:43,220 --> 01:34:46,300
However, it is smooth over five years to limit volatility.

974
01:34:47,340 --> 01:34:55,040
And then when you look at the excess liability over the assets, that's where you get the unfunded actual liability.

975
01:34:56,000 --> 01:34:58,960
And I'll now hand it over to Mr. Nelson, who will talk.

976
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:00,980
All the unfunded liability.

977
01:35:03,700 --> 01:35:31,200
Thank you, Carl Nelson, executive director of the county's pension trust. The funded status as of the 2023 actuary evaluation, which is based on 2022 data as of the start of the year. The liability for the plan is $2.6 billion, that value the assets on a smooth actuarial basis was $1.67 billion, leaving unfunded actuarial liability.

978
01:35:31,200 --> 01:35:37,240
UAL of 943 million, and that is a very high level, so highest it's been, this means

979
01:35:37,240 --> 01:35:41,300
that the funded ratio for the patient is 64.1%.

980
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:45,320
What does the UAL mean?

981
01:35:47,040 --> 01:35:48,980
It's an obligation of the plan sponsor to fund.

982
01:35:49,180 --> 01:35:54,860
These are benefits that have been negotiated and promised to employees as a former deferred

983
01:35:54,860 --> 01:36:01,140
compensation for their service, and so it's a long, complicated process to fund those and

984
01:36:01,140 --> 01:36:02,460
varies a lot from year to year.

985
01:36:02,760 --> 01:36:06,980
So it's inherently, you're gonna have some sort of UAL

986
01:36:07,520 --> 01:36:09,260
at any point in any given system.

987
01:36:10,480 --> 01:36:12,500
It's not an immediate obligation to pay.

988
01:36:12,600 --> 01:36:14,120
That's an important thing to stress.

989
01:36:16,560 --> 01:36:20,000
The benefits are paid out over the lifetime of the members.

990
01:36:20,260 --> 01:36:24,760
So that unfunded liability gets spread out over 20, 30, 40 years

991
01:36:24,760 --> 01:36:28,280
as people actually receive those benefits.

992
01:36:28,300 --> 01:36:29,620
It's not an immediate obligation.

993
01:36:29,620 --> 01:36:35,300
It's not a, you know, you can't come in and demand that the UL be funded right away.

994
01:36:36,820 --> 01:36:41,860
It's really only relevant in that case if there's a bankruptcy and cessation of operations.

995
01:36:42,180 --> 01:36:46,600
And I don't think crucial government services like County will suddenly cease services.

996
01:36:47,940 --> 01:36:50,320
Also, UL is reporting the financial statements.

997
01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:52,280
It's not hidden footnotes somewhere.

998
01:36:52,660 --> 01:36:57,060
It's a transparently reported kind of thing that the radio agencies pay a lot of attention

999
01:36:57,060 --> 01:36:57,340
to.

1000
01:36:57,340 --> 01:37:01,600
when they arrive at a AAA bond rating for a county like this.

1001
01:37:02,720 --> 01:37:04,800
UAL is funded through pension contributions.

1002
01:37:05,500 --> 01:37:09,860
You don't do it all in one year, it's spread out over what is currently used as a 20 year

1003
01:37:09,860 --> 01:37:16,500
amortization period, and it's a very systematic funding plans like paying off a bond or house mortgage.

1004
01:37:17,500 --> 01:37:22,940
And the target for that funding plan is to be fully funded by about 2039, 2041 summer in that area.

1005
01:37:24,380 --> 01:37:27,700
There's a graph of how the funding plan is projected.

1006
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:30,180
You can see it historically going back to 2000.

1007
01:37:31,000 --> 01:37:32,440
A number of things happened during those years.

1008
01:37:32,640 --> 01:37:35,060
There were benefit enhancements early in 2000s.

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01:37:35,500 --> 01:37:40,900
There was the 2001.com crash and of course the 2008 global financial crisis

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01:37:40,900 --> 01:37:43,580
that caused a huge disruption in the markets.

1011
01:37:44,460 --> 01:37:46,040
And the liabilities continue on.

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01:37:46,560 --> 01:37:48,820
The important thing here is that one of the important things here

1013
01:37:48,820 --> 01:37:55,800
is that these are currently at a 6.75% discount rate, and I'll come back to that.

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01:37:55,920 --> 01:38:00,040
That's a really crucial number in natural world.

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01:38:01,080 --> 01:38:05,640
The other important point here is that the funding plan that's built into the contribution rates

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01:38:05,640 --> 01:38:12,960
that Lisa was showing on a previous slide is targeted at closing that gap over a reasonable period, like 20 years,

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01:38:12,960 --> 01:38:18,280
and bringing it fully funded in about 20, 20, 20, 29, to 20, 41, so around that area.

1018
01:38:22,190 --> 01:38:24,230
So what causes the UAL to come about?

1019
01:38:25,970 --> 01:38:29,530
Well, we're looking here primarily at the last 10 years.

1020
01:38:31,090 --> 01:38:35,610
We have some good data from our actuary that tributes where the UAL grew in the last 10 years.

1021
01:38:36,290 --> 01:38:41,070
We had a UAL at the start of that 10 year period that, as you saw in the previous graph.

1022
01:38:41,070 --> 01:38:42,090
So that's part of it.

1023
01:38:43,630 --> 01:38:49,030
There's basically four things that cause the OAL to change.

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01:38:51,350 --> 01:38:59,090
Investments, the discount rate that we use to compute those liabilities is by definition

1025
01:38:59,090 --> 01:39:04,150
the long-term expected return on the assets of the pension fund investments.

1026
01:39:04,670 --> 01:39:09,550
Their pension fund is pre-funded so that investment returns can fund well over half of the eventual

1027
01:39:09,550 --> 01:39:10,710
cost of those benefits.

1028
01:39:13,110 --> 01:39:20,370
If during a given year, your investment returns are less than that discount rate, it adds

1029
01:39:20,370 --> 01:39:22,490
to your unfunded actuarial liability.

1030
01:39:23,230 --> 01:39:29,590
Keep in mind that that actuarial value assets are talked about as a smooth five-year number,

1031
01:39:29,690 --> 01:39:32,370
so it's not just, it doesn't bounce around all over the place each year.

1032
01:39:33,310 --> 01:39:35,870
We have smoothing tools that actuarial practice allows.

1033
01:39:35,870 --> 01:39:43,750
So that keeps us, that's one of the main contributors to an increase in UAL.

1034
01:39:45,330 --> 01:39:52,010
Another change, the thing in cost it is if your funding plan is not paying enough into

1035
01:39:52,010 --> 01:39:57,150
the system to cover the interest that it sort of builds up on that UAL, it's kind of like

1036
01:39:57,150 --> 01:39:59,130
a mortgage and you have your pay.

1037
01:40:02,120 --> 01:40:26,660
So, currently, of course, our UAL, the UAL portion of our pension contribution rate certainly covers the principle and all the interest and principle each year. In the early years, going back to the start of this 10 year period that we're measuring, there were some lags there where the UAL emersation payment wasn't quite big enough. So, we had a little touch of negative emersation. That's what you definitely want to avoid.

1038
01:40:26,660 --> 01:40:33,400
The current funding plan is definitely geared to avoid that so that it's using the

1039
01:40:33,400 --> 01:40:38,100
20-year amberjations, a recently short period, or paying off the mortgage is the way

1040
01:40:38,100 --> 01:40:39,380
that it's planned.

1041
01:40:44,920 --> 01:40:50,680
Another source of changes to the UAL is liability gains and losses.

1042
01:40:51,540 --> 01:40:54,940
Those are primarily demographic things, mortality assumptions.

1043
01:40:55,400 --> 01:40:58,020
We've consistently increased our mortality assumptions.

1044
01:40:58,300 --> 01:40:58,860
That's a good thing.

1045
01:40:59,060 --> 01:41:00,260
People expect it to live longer.

1046
01:41:00,260 --> 01:41:07,940
It makes pensions more expensive, and so as actual practice evolves and the life

1047
01:41:07,940 --> 01:41:12,300
expectancies increase, that has to be reflected in your liabilities.

1048
01:41:13,340 --> 01:41:16,980
It's just a point of actuarial trivia here.

1049
01:41:17,820 --> 01:41:22,780
You see the average life expectancy at birth in this country, I talked about in public health

1050
01:41:22,780 --> 01:41:25,780
terms as being around 77 years, that's life expectancy at birth.

1051
01:41:26,420 --> 01:41:37,700
Life expectancy of a 65-year-old, particularly a public sector employee who tend to be college-educated, and that's crowed with longevity.

1052
01:41:38,280 --> 01:41:45,800
Life expectancy at 87, at 65 is that a male will live to probably about 86 or 87, and a female will live to about 88 or 89.

1053
01:41:46,240 --> 01:41:51,560
So you have a longer period of time that you'd be paying those benefits, and those numbers have come up over the years.

1054
01:41:53,820 --> 01:41:58,220
Other changes to liabilities that can affect that are actual inflation.

1055
01:41:58,580 --> 01:42:02,020
We have to assume a certain level of inflation and actual evaluation sometimes it's higher.

1056
01:42:03,500 --> 01:42:07,220
The retirement plan includes cost of living adjustments for retirees.

1057
01:42:07,320 --> 01:42:10,260
They're capped for tier one members, just a 3% of pay.

1058
01:42:11,180 --> 01:42:14,080
And for tier two and tier one members, they're capped at 2% of pay.

1059
01:42:15,320 --> 01:42:19,540
But there are, the years when inflation is above that, so you're paying the full 3%

1060
01:42:19,540 --> 01:42:25,140
Well, cola for tier one members, their years when it's lower and you plan on that as well.

1061
01:42:26,440 --> 01:42:30,100
In recent years, of course, inflation is a little bit higher, so we are slightly above

1062
01:42:30,100 --> 01:42:34,200
our current inflation assumption of 2.75%.

1063
01:42:36,400 --> 01:42:41,580
Another important part about running a pension plan is that we do extra evaluations every

1064
01:42:41,580 --> 01:42:41,820
year.

1065
01:42:42,460 --> 01:42:44,580
It's a very thorough process.

1066
01:42:46,380 --> 01:42:48,620
We also do an experience study every two years.

1067
01:42:48,620 --> 01:42:52,420
Most retirement systems do experience studies every three to five years.

1068
01:42:53,040 --> 01:42:55,860
The 37X systems do them every three years.

1069
01:42:56,360 --> 01:43:00,040
We've always taken kind of a belt and suspenders approach to we want to make sure our assumptions

1070
01:43:00,040 --> 01:43:01,480
are as realistic as we can make them.

1071
01:43:02,140 --> 01:43:06,700
And so we do that study every two years and revise evaluation to reflect that.

1072
01:43:10,060 --> 01:43:16,220
Probably one of the biggest sources of changes to the UAL is changes in the assumptions.

1073
01:43:16,580 --> 01:43:18,140
Here I come back to that discount rate.

1074
01:43:18,140 --> 01:43:22,140
The discount rate is the pre-ordinate assumption that you make in valuable

1075
01:43:22,140 --> 01:43:26,120
abilities because you're just discounting back payment treatment making to people

1076
01:43:26,120 --> 01:43:30,480
for a very long period of time. 30, 40, 50 years. So the discount rate

1077
01:43:30,480 --> 01:43:36,180
uses very sensitive. The only logical basis for setting a discount rate is what is

1078
01:43:36,180 --> 01:43:40,440
your expected long term rate of return on your assets? Because what else would you

1079
01:43:40,440 --> 01:43:44,980
use? You're investing assets to pay those benefits into the future. And the

1080
01:43:44,980 --> 01:43:47,740
The discount rate is a very sensitive number.

1081
01:43:48,060 --> 01:43:55,440
A tiny changes neck and make big swings in the measure of liabilities, which in turn makes big swings in your contribution calculations.

1082
01:43:57,080 --> 01:44:02,740
So it's important to have a realistic discount rate, and they have been coming down steadily over the years.

1083
01:44:04,380 --> 01:44:10,080
In 2014, we had a discount rate of 7.25%, it's currently 6.75%.

1084
01:44:10,080 --> 01:44:15,840
We also made a few other changes to the valuation to make it a little more conservative in terms of handling other parts of the cost.

1085
01:44:17,200 --> 01:44:20,240
So that has significantly increased the UAL.

1086
01:44:20,360 --> 01:44:25,560
That's the largest number in terms of increasing the UAL is changes in assumptions.

1087
01:44:26,620 --> 01:44:30,700
So why have we lowered the discount rate over the years?

1088
01:44:31,360 --> 01:44:36,500
We've always been a fairly conservative county as a culture, fairly conservative boarded trustees.

1089
01:44:36,500 --> 01:44:41,600
These, we've always tried to choose a conservative discount rate that's realistic.

1090
01:44:42,140 --> 01:44:44,660
We follow more conservative investment policy.

1091
01:44:45,580 --> 01:44:48,960
And so, when you look at the discount rate, you talk with your investor consultants.

1092
01:44:49,180 --> 01:44:52,500
You talk about their capital market assumptions, going out 10 or 20 years.

1093
01:44:52,540 --> 01:44:53,840
These are very long-term assumptions.

1094
01:44:55,460 --> 01:44:58,740
And they're looking at, you know, bond yields and, yeah,

1095
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:27,480
Or casts for corporations and price earnings ratios and all those sorts of things to come up with their capital market assumptions. Then they run that through analysis that comes up with for our asset mix, which is geared to be a moderate level of risk, somewhat conservative. What do you expect for your long-term rate of return? Many years ago, we talked about, you know, 8%, 7%, 4%, that's a reasonable long-term rate of return. Those days are long gone.

1096
01:45:29,460 --> 01:45:35,540
Following the global financial crisis 2008 and the Federal Reserve brutally suppressing interest rates,

1097
01:45:35,980 --> 01:45:41,300
yes, they say the economy, but it was kind of at the expense to the detriment of conservative investors with bond yields.

1098
01:45:43,480 --> 01:45:48,540
Combined that with stock market being at high levels and stock things don't go up forever.

1099
01:45:48,740 --> 01:45:52,580
So stock market is very high, you can't assume it goes on like that forever.

1100
01:45:52,580 --> 01:45:59,360
So, you have a lower expected return stocks, we put that all through the model and come up with what's the return and our portfolio.

1101
01:46:00,180 --> 01:46:05,980
In 2018, that was as low as 6%. It has come back up now. Currently, it is 7.2%.

1102
01:46:05,980 --> 01:46:10,380
This is our investment consultant there, which we think very highly of.

1103
01:46:11,460 --> 01:46:14,000
All investment consultants have similar types of numbers.

1104
01:46:15,580 --> 01:46:18,240
And so, you look at that and the actual looks at what seems reasonable.

1105
01:46:18,240 --> 01:46:20,060
and you pick a discount rate.

1106
01:46:20,920 --> 01:46:23,680
We've picked 6.75% the last couple of years.

1107
01:46:24,240 --> 01:46:27,700
That's kind of a realistic guess as to what the future returns are.

1108
01:46:28,060 --> 01:46:31,120
What that means is that you have about a 50-50 yards,

1109
01:46:31,120 --> 01:46:32,980
are you doing better than that or less than that?

1110
01:46:33,440 --> 01:46:35,500
That's the definition of a reasonable assumption.

1111
01:46:36,220 --> 01:46:39,640
So we try and fund towards that fairly conservative target,

1112
01:46:40,360 --> 01:46:42,060
pretty much all pension systems,

1113
01:46:42,820 --> 01:46:53,580
California and other way elsewhere have been using lower discount rates to be more realistic to what they think they can fund, but that pushes that cost for all the systems.

1114
01:46:55,800 --> 01:47:06,300
This next graph sort of shows just in graphic form, those different sources of the UAL, the 222 million, this is over the last 10 years, is some from changes that we talked about.

1115
01:47:06,300 --> 01:47:16,580
But primarily discount rate, then the 147 million is the changes in liability due to people

1116
01:47:16,580 --> 01:47:21,300
living longer, revising our inflation assumption, things like that.

1117
01:47:22,460 --> 01:47:31,560
And then the 180 million is AVA, that's actually a value of assets, how it's investing our

1118
01:47:31,560 --> 01:47:34,780
terms have been lower than our discount rate over this last period.

1119
01:47:35,980 --> 01:47:40,200
Again, we're pretty conservative investors, a typical pension fund.

1120
01:47:40,300 --> 01:47:44,360
You talk about it having like a 60-40S at mix, 60% stocks, 40% bonds.

1121
01:47:45,260 --> 01:47:50,640
We've always been more like a 48-52 type investor.

1122
01:47:50,860 --> 01:47:54,720
We tend to skew it a little farther away from, you know, not as heavy in equities.

1123
01:47:54,720 --> 01:48:02,160
Again, that reflects just a conservative approach, which I think is appropriate, but it also

1124
01:48:02,160 --> 01:48:06,420
means that when stocks are going really great, you're not participating in all of it because

1125
01:48:06,420 --> 01:48:09,120
you're not over-weighting it as much as others might have.

1126
01:48:12,380 --> 01:48:17,800
This is the same data just spread over the 10 years, so overlaying that is the red line

1127
01:48:17,800 --> 01:48:20,600
for the discount rate as we've lowered it over the last 10 years.

1128
01:48:20,600 --> 01:48:24,000
So that kind of shows where that red line goes down,

1129
01:48:24,240 --> 01:48:25,820
you see the green bar is getting bigger.

1130
01:48:26,060 --> 01:48:29,440
That's the assumption changes that increase the UAL.

1131
01:48:29,880 --> 01:48:32,020
And that's where we wind up at the grand total now

1132
01:48:32,020 --> 01:48:33,400
with $943 million.

1133
01:48:38,120 --> 01:48:42,720
This is a graph near and dear to my heart as an investment person,

1134
01:48:43,160 --> 01:48:47,180
but it illustrates why you smooth things when you fund pensions.

1135
01:48:47,380 --> 01:48:51,400
The green line is the our actual market value rate

1136
01:48:51,400 --> 01:48:52,420
of return over the years.

1137
01:48:52,420 --> 01:48:57,920
You see the big drop in 2008, 2022 was a pretty negative year also.

1138
01:48:59,220 --> 01:49:01,500
So that's how investments returns bounce around.

1139
01:49:02,460 --> 01:49:05,220
Thank goodness you don't fund in reaction to that.

1140
01:49:05,340 --> 01:49:08,520
Otherwise, your contribution is we just bounce all over the place every year.

1141
01:49:09,840 --> 01:49:14,140
Actual practice allows us to use the Actual value of assets smooth over five years.

1142
01:49:14,220 --> 01:49:16,500
That's the blue line and CCS much less volatile.

1143
01:49:17,680 --> 01:49:21,260
And then the red dashed line is our discount rate over the years.

1144
01:49:21,260 --> 01:49:28,320
So that kind of illustrates the benefit of smoothing and managing pension systems.

1145
01:49:33,580 --> 01:49:40,120
I showed you the graph earlier of where we eventually pay off the infunded liability by about

1146
01:49:40,120 --> 01:49:46,700
2040 thereabouts. Well, what happens to our contribution rates? This is a forecast of the

1147
01:49:46,700 --> 01:49:52,320
country rates. This is the baseline forecast from our actuary from the 2023 valuation with some

1148
01:49:52,320 --> 01:49:57,160
history included, there are two components to paying for pensions. One is the

1149
01:49:57,160 --> 01:49:58,500
normal cost. That's the green

1150
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:29,980
That's the foundation for it. That's basically the cost of another year's of service being earned by the participants in that pension plan. That you see that green line in the forecast is coming down. Why does the normal cost come down? Because of tier three, the tier one benefits form more generous. The county went ahead and did a preemptive pension reform with tier two in 2011. Negotiate that with their collective bargaining units. And the long term, the long run, as those

1151
01:50:29,980 --> 01:50:33,500
those generations turn over, your cost comes down.

1152
01:50:33,900 --> 01:50:36,480
And so ultimately the cost of a tier two pension

1153
01:50:36,480 --> 01:50:39,540
is gonna be like under 20% of pay as the normal cost.

1154
01:50:39,700 --> 01:50:40,520
That's the basis for it.

1155
01:50:41,280 --> 01:50:42,920
Now to get there, you have to pay off

1156
01:50:42,920 --> 01:50:44,600
the unfunded liability, UAL.

1157
01:50:44,940 --> 01:50:47,500
That's the large area above that

1158
01:50:47,500 --> 01:50:50,580
that you see amortizing, being amortized

1159
01:50:50,580 --> 01:50:52,000
and paid off over the 20 years.

1160
01:50:53,560 --> 01:50:56,080
The question that we discuss all the time

1161
01:50:56,080 --> 01:50:57,800
with our board of trustees and with our actuary

1162
01:50:57,800 --> 01:51:01,840
and with people see this graph is that huge cliff at the end.

1163
01:51:02,080 --> 01:51:03,620
So you mean we're going to just be paying off the mortgage

1164
01:51:03,620 --> 01:51:06,440
and also the house is paid for and then life is good

1165
01:51:06,440 --> 01:51:08,040
and the pension costs 20% a pay?

1166
01:51:09,020 --> 01:51:09,780
Probably, yeah.

1167
01:51:10,140 --> 01:51:16,580
Except that to getting there that I'm sure Lisa as the maven

1168
01:51:16,580 --> 01:51:19,300
of budgets looks at that as an interesting

1169
01:51:19,300 --> 01:51:21,380
and challenging budget issue.

1170
01:51:23,340 --> 01:51:31,200
So the one thought is that at some point, it makes sense to revise the UL

1171
01:51:31,200 --> 01:51:32,680
amortization stretched out a little bit.

1172
01:51:33,460 --> 01:51:36,800
Ultimately, that increases cost sum, but it smooths out that sort of transition.

1173
01:51:37,460 --> 01:51:40,540
And that's probably something that the word trustees will be actually considering in

1174
01:51:40,540 --> 01:51:41,240
about 10 years.

1175
01:51:42,080 --> 01:51:47,780
At this point, it's important that we continue to fund the UAL to make sure that we are paying

1176
01:51:47,780 --> 01:51:51,300
off all the interest on that and make principal payments.

1177
01:51:51,740 --> 01:51:57,420
You don't just reduce it to an interest only alone or worse than that, a negative amortization

1178
01:51:57,420 --> 01:51:59,180
loan, you keep paying that off.

1179
01:51:59,820 --> 01:52:04,000
Now thinking about 10 years, there will be more of a question as you pay off your mortgage.

1180
01:52:04,260 --> 01:52:06,660
The principal payments go up and the interest part goes down.

1181
01:52:07,380 --> 01:52:12,920
At that point, it would be actually really reasonable to consider maybe tapering off this

1182
01:52:12,920 --> 01:52:14,400
cost curve and stretching out a little bit.

1183
01:52:14,400 --> 01:52:17,620
But that's an issue for a number of years down the road.

1184
01:52:17,760 --> 01:52:21,620
Right now we're paying off the interest and that's the important thing to do to be responsible.

1185
01:52:24,690 --> 01:52:29,130
The actuary calls out that the tread water level of funding your unfunded liabilities.

1186
01:52:29,310 --> 01:52:35,730
We always wanted to be at least above that level so we're not adding to the UAO just because we're not paying it down appropriately.

1187
01:52:37,290 --> 01:52:46,170
I'll just conclude with my standard Chamber of Commerce speech about the benefits of public

1188
01:52:46,170 --> 01:52:47,850
sector pensions to the local economy.

1189
01:52:49,070 --> 01:52:50,410
This is a pretty big system.

1190
01:52:50,530 --> 01:52:53,690
We have close to 7,000 participants total retirees and active.

1191
01:52:54,930 --> 01:53:00,950
Right now we're paying $131 billion a year in retirement benefits to retirees and to their

1192
01:53:00,950 --> 01:53:02,670
beneficiaries like surviving spouses.

1193
01:53:03,830 --> 01:53:06,250
The average benefit is about $40,000 a year.

1194
01:53:07,090 --> 01:53:08,470
The average will try to age about 70.

1195
01:53:10,330 --> 01:53:13,550
That in the last year, the average age of time was 59 years.

1196
01:53:13,830 --> 01:53:18,250
I expect that to increase somewhat as the tier three members tend to work longer.

1197
01:53:20,830 --> 01:53:24,090
As a 65 year old, I think working longer is definitely a good idea.

1198
01:53:25,070 --> 01:53:30,030
So, but the important thing is about that $131 million of benefits that we pay out each year.

1199
01:53:30,030 --> 01:53:35,930
70% of it, it's male to addresses in San Luis Paso County, or Santa Maria, Northern

1200
01:53:35,930 --> 01:53:36,710
Santa Barbara County.

1201
01:53:36,850 --> 01:53:39,130
Basically, 70% of retirees stayed in the area.

1202
01:53:40,470 --> 01:53:43,410
That's about 91 million dollars you're paid into the area.

1203
01:53:44,010 --> 01:53:48,370
Those retirees spend that money, yeah, they say some, but they go out and they go to movies

1204
01:53:48,370 --> 01:53:51,710
and they buy groceries and they buy cars and they go to farmer's markets.

1205
01:53:52,930 --> 01:53:55,330
And that adds to the local economy.

1206
01:53:55,430 --> 01:53:58,030
They didn't just take their money and go away, it's being spent here.

1207
01:53:58,030 --> 01:54:05,010
And that's probably has, when economists talk about economic activity, they use a multiplier factor.

1208
01:54:05,610 --> 01:54:17,690
So if that, when a retiree spends a dollar, the general rule of thumb with economists with retiree pension payments is that it creates about 1.5 times that amount in economic activity.

1209
01:54:18,010 --> 01:54:25,910
They go to the farmer's market, they buy a bunch of stuff, the farmer's market, they hire another employee, and that's where the multiplier comes in.

1210
01:54:25,910 --> 01:54:30,170
So it is a net boon to your community.

1211
01:54:31,110 --> 01:54:40,790
I don't know what other pension system experience, but I'm guessing that less desirable parts of the country do not have 70% of their retirees staying in the area, spending their money.

1212
01:54:41,930 --> 01:54:43,910
So that concludes my comments.

1213
01:54:46,120 --> 01:54:50,380
Okay. Any questions from the board? Supervisor Harle.

1214
01:54:50,380 --> 01:54:53,880
I do have a couple questions, and first, I just want to say thank you.

1215
01:54:53,920 --> 01:54:58,720
Will Lee says always, thank you for being here and giving these kinds of presentations, but.

1216
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:29,120
All very often because he has his own board to deal with, but I just want to take the opportunity to thank you for your years of service. The county employees here as the pension trust executive director, I think is your full title. You, like I say, you have your own board, and we don't get to see you as much, but behind the scenes you do a great service to everyone here at the county. And I can't help but thank you, Jerry, to Jerry, you're serving on this board.

1217
01:55:29,840 --> 01:55:33,240
after your auditor controller for so many years.

1218
01:55:33,560 --> 01:55:36,000
So thank you because this is like a foreign language

1219
01:55:36,000 --> 01:55:37,120
to a lot of us.

1220
01:55:37,340 --> 01:55:40,780
So we appreciate you to stay in the game and helping.

1221
01:55:41,320 --> 01:55:42,840
But my couple of quick questions.

1222
01:55:43,860 --> 01:55:49,120
I think you said Carl that every year the colon changes

1223
01:55:49,120 --> 01:55:51,540
or that's a variable then, correct?

1224
01:55:51,740 --> 01:55:54,480
In our liabilities on our benefits side.

1225
01:55:55,160 --> 01:55:55,260
Okay.

1226
01:55:55,260 --> 01:56:02,780
And then I think you said that the rate of return presently is 7.2 percent.

1227
01:56:02,980 --> 01:56:05,820
That's a long-term expected rate of return.

1228
01:56:06,460 --> 01:56:07,520
Oh, that's long-term.

1229
01:56:07,600 --> 01:56:11,900
Last in 2022, we had a negative 8 percent return because it was a very negative

1230
01:56:11,900 --> 01:56:16,380
market for both equities and bonds, but the long-term expected return is 7.2 percent.

1231
01:56:16,540 --> 01:56:18,620
In other words, it's above the discount rate, and that's the important thing.

1232
01:56:18,760 --> 01:56:19,000
Yeah.

1233
01:56:19,320 --> 01:56:19,480
Okay.

1234
01:56:19,960 --> 01:56:23,800
And then, so I was just curious, it's interesting.

1235
01:56:23,800 --> 01:56:32,260
All this is interesting, I don't know what 23 then look like on the short term rate of return.

1236
01:56:32,440 --> 01:56:38,760
But do you expect the discount rate to go up the way the world is kind of behaving?

1237
01:56:39,840 --> 01:56:44,340
That's a judgment that's made by the word trustees in conjunction with the actuary.

1238
01:56:45,020 --> 01:56:50,520
Typically after every two years experience study is the module time to do that.

1239
01:56:50,520 --> 01:56:57,940
And my personal forecast would be, it will be a number of years before that discount rate goes up.

1240
01:56:59,020 --> 01:57:02,960
Again, to be conservative, you want to try and build in that cushion.

1241
01:57:04,340 --> 01:57:10,020
I also don't think there's, it's likely to go down further, but that depends on the markets.

1242
01:57:10,180 --> 01:57:18,320
If we go back to another extremely accommodated Fed policy, which I'm not arguing Fed policy, but that lowers bond returns.

1243
01:57:18,320 --> 01:57:22,040
and so conservative investors like pension funds, you know, suffer because of that.

1244
01:57:22,280 --> 01:57:22,420
Yeah.

1245
01:57:22,440 --> 01:57:27,000
I, a long way of saying, I think you should probably stay about the same, but that's just my opinion.

1246
01:57:27,160 --> 01:57:30,740
Yeah. No, your crystal ball is good, is it? Anybody think?

1247
01:57:31,160 --> 01:57:39,860
And my last question is from that graph that you showed, it looked like the unfunded liability for a long time.

1248
01:57:40,180 --> 01:57:45,760
Since I've been on this board, we talked about it potentially being paid off in 2040, but it looks like,

1249
01:57:45,760 --> 01:57:51,500
And I think what you were trying to say is no reason to worry that could stretch out a little bit,

1250
01:57:51,580 --> 01:57:54,860
especially as it comes down. Who's that? Right?

1251
01:57:55,160 --> 01:58:01,340
Yes. You need to put the fund it. And if you fund it rigorously and stick to that forecast

1252
01:58:01,340 --> 01:58:05,820
of schedule and have it completely paid off by, you know, 2040, you know,

1253
01:58:05,920 --> 01:58:07,800
something. That's where I thought it was kind of.

1254
01:58:07,980 --> 01:58:10,680
It's 2039, 2040. But yeah, it's still a problem.

1255
01:58:10,680 --> 01:58:15,380
Over a year, it involves a little bit. But if you keep with that goal of funding over the 20 year,

1256
01:58:15,380 --> 01:58:19,860
our conversation period, that is the least expensive way to fund it.

1257
01:58:20,040 --> 01:58:32,680
If you stretch it out, that will increase costs, but it also, there's some flexibility to be warranted in that, and there's broader budget issues with the county that can be reflected in that.

1258
01:58:33,200 --> 01:58:37,060
Okay, I really appreciate the presentation, so thank you so much, it's all here.

1259
01:58:38,060 --> 01:58:41,980
I just had the one question, so they did a whole radio show on this, you probably have

1260
01:58:41,980 --> 01:58:46,800
heard about it on Dave Conkelton's show, and we went, I think was it four years ago,

1261
01:58:46,940 --> 01:58:55,360
we were about 600 million, and now we're at 943, so just simply, if you could wrap it up,

1262
01:58:55,520 --> 01:58:56,060
what happened?

1263
01:58:56,620 --> 01:59:06,340
So that went down further, we had that like 7% than 6.75%, the 2022 market happened while

1264
01:59:06,340 --> 01:59:20,140
When we smooth that return, you know, it's a negative 8% return for that year, when we smooth that return over five years, it still has an effect in terms of increasing the gap then funded liability.

1265
01:59:21,800 --> 01:59:35,680
Also, in that period of asset value smoothing, the year prior to that five year period was a good year and it dropped out of the calculation and we added in a bad year at the end of the five year calculation.

1266
01:59:35,680 --> 01:59:41,640
So that had a bigger drop and would have been preferable.

1267
01:59:42,280 --> 01:59:45,420
So that's been the primary reasons for doing it, for doing it.

1268
01:59:45,700 --> 01:59:45,900
Okay.

1269
01:59:46,440 --> 01:59:51,480
And then just finally, there was discussion on that same radio program about the liability

1270
01:59:51,480 --> 01:59:54,000
that the county has to fill this up.

1271
01:59:54,200 --> 01:59:57,720
But we were talking about a plan for 2040, right?

1272
01:59:57,720 --> 01:59:59,100
So, you're in the...

1273
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:08,840
Oh, I just want to hear it from you. There's no move to come back to the county and ask us to raise taxes on the community to be able to pay off this liability.

1274
02:00:09,880 --> 02:00:22,040
Yeah, the funding of the plan is under control of the Board of Trustees and they're very cognizant. The primary goal of any pension system in California is to fund the minister and pay for those benefits.

1275
02:00:23,460 --> 02:00:30,820
The California statutes clearly have a secondary consideration to consider the impact on the plan's sponsor.

1276
02:00:31,200 --> 02:00:33,220
It's not secondary, it's been tough you paid, they were promised.

1277
02:00:34,000 --> 02:00:40,480
But we definitely have a bona fide interest in controlling the impact on the plan's sponsor.

1278
02:00:40,720 --> 02:00:49,800
So for the birth trustees to come in and say, I'm sure Rebecca's got bags of money in her office that you can pay it off.

1279
02:00:50,380 --> 02:00:52,900
is not something that I would ever see happening.

1280
02:00:53,320 --> 02:00:55,560
She has reached the point where we need to know about it.

1281
02:00:56,500 --> 02:00:58,900
This is San Luis Obispo County, for all.

1282
02:00:59,380 --> 02:01:00,780
It's okay metaphorically.

1283
02:01:01,380 --> 02:01:02,060
Thank you for that.

1284
02:01:02,980 --> 02:01:07,680
Supervisor Gibson, there are most of the bags of quarters, I think, parking meters.

1285
02:01:07,820 --> 02:01:15,720
You know, the manner of unfunded liability gets folks wound up, especially if they don't like public sector pensions of the defined benefit.

1286
02:01:15,720 --> 02:01:23,840
I think that the graph that really says it all is on page 6 of 8 of our staff report,

1287
02:01:24,040 --> 02:01:33,840
and it shows the accrued liability going up and as a red line and below it it shows the fair value

1288
02:01:33,840 --> 02:01:42,540
of the assets of the trust and the actuarial value below it. And if you look where we are right now

1289
02:01:42,540 --> 02:01:46,700
Well, it's pretty close to the biggest gap for the plan.

1290
02:01:47,160 --> 02:01:52,300
But what's interesting is that the fair value tracks very well the expected.

1291
02:01:52,940 --> 02:01:53,960
This plan is working.

1292
02:01:54,520 --> 02:02:01,520
Now, it's working because relative to 12 years ago in that last slide you showed,

1293
02:02:01,760 --> 02:02:05,740
we are actually having to contribute 20% more salary to the pension.

1294
02:02:05,740 --> 02:02:20,460
We being employees to an extent in the county, and I can't off the top of my head figure out exactly how that extra 20% is split, but employees actually were picking up a goodly chunk for a while.

1295
02:02:21,060 --> 02:02:24,780
So that's the real impact.

1296
02:02:25,020 --> 02:02:26,500
It's not that we're going to raise taxes.

1297
02:02:26,500 --> 02:02:36,180
It's that our labor costs have gone up by that much, whatever impact that is to the county's

1298
02:02:36,180 --> 02:02:40,200
revenue stream. That just limits how many people we can employ.

1299
02:02:42,520 --> 02:02:45,600
This has been a topic for a long

1300
02:02:45,600 --> 02:02:54,880
time. It is a long-term issue. I do know the pension trust to be very well-run and conservatively

1301
02:02:54,880 --> 02:03:01,660
managed, and again, back to that graph on page 6 of 8, the plan's working.

1302
02:03:03,610 --> 02:03:03,910
Thank you.

1303
02:03:04,130 --> 02:03:04,990
Supervisor Teasley.

1304
02:03:05,190 --> 02:03:05,550
Thank you.

1305
02:03:05,790 --> 02:03:12,270
Thank you for coming and just sharing with us, and again, having the conversation and helping educate further.

1306
02:03:13,110 --> 02:03:19,650
I do think it's important for the public to know that our employees are contributing more than ever and

1307
02:03:19,650 --> 02:03:22,350
that it certainly takes a chunk out of their check.

1308
02:03:22,350 --> 02:03:33,710
And so that's something that, you know, in the past that was not the case, and this generation is paying for the last generation in so many ways.

1309
02:03:34,030 --> 02:03:47,510
And so I just want to say thank you to the employees for that and knowing that overall we've got a very solid as you say conservative approach, which I think is very important for everybody to recognize.

1310
02:03:47,510 --> 02:03:49,130
All right, so again, thank you for coming.

1311
02:03:49,830 --> 02:03:50,430
Thank you.

1312
02:03:50,870 --> 02:03:53,450
With that, we're going to go to public comment.

1313
02:03:53,630 --> 02:03:56,790
We have one public comment speaker slip.

1314
02:03:57,430 --> 02:04:02,850
Jerry Sybach, we'll come on up and speak, and if you'd like to speak on this item, please get a slip in.

1315
02:04:04,210 --> 02:04:08,270
Yes, my, I'm Jerry Seabach and it's good to see all of you once again.

1316
02:04:10,970 --> 02:04:20,010
I put in a request for to speak mainly in case there were questions from your board.

1317
02:04:20,770 --> 02:04:33,530
I became the chief deputy county auditor in 1983 and until 1990 when then I was elected to be the county auditor controller.

1318
02:04:33,530 --> 02:04:58,870
91 through 2012 when I retired, and since then I have been honored to be in a pointe of your board to be a trustee on the pension plan as is Ms. Howell, so a board of board he and I want to thank them Carl, Mr. Nelson and Ms. Howell for an excellent job, I think this was a very instructive.

1319
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:28,420
Thank you for your attention for you. And really, as I said, I have well over 40 years of institutional memory. I've been through these battles, the ups and the downs in many ways over the years. So, if anybody would like to hear an old guy, belly ache about things that happened in the past, I'm happy. I'm here for you. But otherwise, I want to say the pension board and their staff

1320
02:05:28,420 --> 02:05:39,040
It works very hard to try to control these costs, and they do provide an excellent service for our members and our retirees.

1321
02:05:40,820 --> 02:05:41,300
Thank you.

1322
02:05:42,500 --> 02:05:48,920
Okay, well close public comment, don't see anybody else running to the microphone, so we'll bring it back to the board for any further discussion.

1323
02:05:49,960 --> 02:05:51,720
Seeing none, nope.

1324
02:05:51,720 --> 02:06:02,680
Just to thank you all again, this was very informative, and I'm glad it was done in public, so everyone can be more informed about this at all.

1325
02:06:03,060 --> 02:06:08,600
Thank you. This is a receive and file, so it has been received and filed, we appreciate the opportunity for you to be here.

1326
02:06:09,080 --> 02:06:16,500
Okay, we're now moving on to item number 25, and I ask the clerk to introduce the item, please.

1327
02:06:17,420 --> 02:06:26,380
The discussion regarding county and post-conditions of approval on land use permits requiring applicant property owner and demnification of county.

1328
02:06:27,300 --> 02:06:31,840
And we have a presentation from our friends at the county council's office.

1329
02:06:32,680 --> 02:06:34,180
Good morning, Rudy DeNiel.

1330
02:06:35,320 --> 02:06:37,940
My presentation will be so much short today.

1331
02:06:37,940 --> 02:06:48,640
I had previously had a PowerPoint prepared, and due to my lack of tech skills, I didn't get it into agenda.net appropriately.

1332
02:06:48,980 --> 02:06:53,500
So I'm just going to talk to you without a PowerPoint slide today.

1333
02:06:53,740 --> 02:07:00,900
I do want to acknowledge members in my office, John, Brian, Ben, Mia,

1334
02:07:06,940 --> 02:07:07,840
and

1335
02:07:07,840 --> 02:07:10,540
the history of indemnification clauses.

1336
02:07:10,740 --> 02:07:12,220
I don't think I'm going to say anything today

1337
02:07:12,720 --> 02:07:15,940
that's earth shattering or surprising.

1338
02:07:16,580 --> 02:07:18,380
This board did ask me to come back

1339
02:07:18,380 --> 02:07:20,640
and talk about indemnification clauses.

1340
02:07:21,000 --> 02:07:24,040
So I want to just go over quickly

1341
02:07:24,040 --> 02:07:26,740
the overview of the development process,

1342
02:07:27,020 --> 02:07:28,320
the applicant responsibilities,

1343
02:07:29,020 --> 02:07:32,200
the provision that is currently in place

1344
02:07:32,200 --> 02:07:33,460
for indemnification,

1345
02:07:33,940 --> 02:07:35,920
how the litigation process works,

1346
02:07:35,920 --> 02:07:43,000
and then the history of our indemnification clauses and one thing that was attached to your

1347
02:07:43,000 --> 02:07:50,640
staff report was a history of the indemnification clauses since 2000. So we have a history of at

1348
02:07:50,640 --> 02:07:55,920
least 23 years at this point of indemnification clauses we thought we would spare you of going

1349
02:07:55,920 --> 02:08:01,760
back farther. But as you know the development process starts with an applicant submitting

1350
02:08:01,760 --> 02:08:05,720
in their application, they describe the project and the components.

1351
02:08:06,340 --> 02:08:14,380
Here board's policy requires that the applicant is responsible for all the costs and expenses of processing, not only the application,

1352
02:08:15,040 --> 02:08:21,160
but any conditions of approval and any necessary mitigation measures.

1353
02:08:21,780 --> 02:08:30,320
One of the reasons for this policy is that the applicant is to assume the costs of the process,

1354
02:08:30,320 --> 02:08:37,080
And it prevents the taxpayers from having an original fund from covering the cost of the private developer.

1355
02:08:38,020 --> 02:08:43,760
So currently, I'll give you the gist of what the Indimnication Provision says.

1356
02:08:43,780 --> 02:08:47,500
It requires that an applicant defend, hold harmless, and

1357
02:08:47,500 --> 02:08:52,300
indemnify at their sole expense in the action brought against the county,

1358
02:08:53,020 --> 02:08:58,820
challenging either its decision to approve this permit or the manner in which the county is interpreting or

1359
02:08:58,820 --> 02:09:08,360
are enforcing the conditions of the land use permit, or any other action by a third party relating to approval or implementation of this land use permit.

1360
02:09:09,020 --> 02:09:22,720
That language, again, has been consistent since at least 2000, and it's also consistent with other agencies, and I'll talk a minute about how it differs slightly from other agencies, but it doesn't necessarily differ legally.

1361
02:09:23,940 --> 02:09:32,220
As I said, that provision shifts that responsibility to the project proponent and away from the General

1362
02:09:32,220 --> 02:09:33,720
Fund and the taxpayers.

1363
02:09:34,520 --> 02:09:40,300
When you talk about litigation, it's really important to understand that if the county

1364
02:09:40,300 --> 02:09:45,240
gets sued on the approval of a permit, so will the applicant.

1365
02:09:45,720 --> 02:09:49,960
So whether there's an indemnification clause in place or not, the applicant is going to be

1366
02:09:49,960 --> 02:09:56,440
part of that litigation. They don't get out of it. We gave some examples in the

1367
02:09:56,440 --> 02:09:59,100
staff report on when the litigation or the endim of the...

1368
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:29,940
Justice has come into play and when it has actually benefited the county. First of all, is your traditional litigation. And I, for example, I've given to this board in the past several years ago, the board had approved a land use permit for the Pasilevo Olive Farm. The board and the applicant was sued on that. We implicated our indignification clause. They took lead. They being the applicant, the permit holder, took lead on that litigation.

1369
02:10:29,940 --> 02:10:33,800
part of it was a CEQA challenge as well.

1370
02:10:34,280 --> 02:10:37,880
They were not successful, and this board,

1371
02:10:38,220 --> 02:10:40,420
the permit did not move forward,

1372
02:10:40,740 --> 02:10:44,220
and the petitioners were awarded attorney's fees.

1373
02:10:44,760 --> 02:10:46,940
That case costs the petitioners,

1374
02:10:47,360 --> 02:10:50,180
are the real party in interest,

1375
02:10:50,380 --> 02:10:54,300
and the developer probably $7 to $800,000.

1376
02:10:54,660 --> 02:10:57,540
Had we not had that indentification clause,

1377
02:10:57,540 --> 02:11:01,640
that responsibility would have been on the County of San Luis Obispo.

1378
02:11:01,740 --> 02:11:14,200
So, that's an example of a large project of which we got sued on, which is the real party in interest got sued on, and they took the lead because they wanted to defend their permit and the entitlements that they had received.

1379
02:11:14,700 --> 02:11:23,060
A second type of example, and this one I think is really significant in that the board approves a project.

1380
02:11:23,060 --> 02:11:27,900
You have your identification clause and in the board and the permit holder gets sued.

1381
02:11:28,140 --> 02:11:31,940
And you have a permit holder who is really unwilling to defend the permit.

1382
02:11:32,100 --> 02:11:34,320
They don't necessarily want to move forward.

1383
02:11:34,700 --> 02:11:41,180
In that instance, the county, we have little incentive to defend the permit.

1384
02:11:41,580 --> 02:11:49,840
The permit, when they're issued and they're approved by this board, and you put conditions of approval, that's a vested right that runs with the land.

1385
02:11:49,840 --> 02:11:55,360
And it's the vested right that's put placed on the developer or the project proponent.

1386
02:11:55,880 --> 02:12:02,720
So when we're called to defend that permit and the property owner doesn't want to defend it,

1387
02:12:02,960 --> 02:12:06,660
our incentive is to settle because we don't want to incur attorney's fees.

1388
02:12:06,920 --> 02:12:12,640
We don't want to incur the risk of being awarded or the petitioner being awarded attorney's fees.

1389
02:12:12,640 --> 02:12:20,060
And normally, and this has happened in the past and the board, at that point, reverses their approval on the permit as part of the settlement.

1390
02:12:20,420 --> 02:12:34,580
But what happens and what has happened in this case, in cases, is there's still an award of attorney's fees because the prevailing parties as even though we settled, we achieved the outcome that we sought to achieve, which was we didn't want this permit to move forward.

1391
02:12:34,580 --> 02:12:42,800
So then they look to the county for attorney's fees, and we look to the unwilling project proponent to try and recruit those fees.

1392
02:12:43,120 --> 02:12:51,780
And we've done that, but had we not had the indentification clause in there, we probably wouldn't be able to recover fees and costs.

1393
02:12:52,560 --> 02:13:03,640
And then the last situation which we have had also is where you have a poorly capitalized single purpose developer who comes in once a project, the board approves that project.

1394
02:13:03,640 --> 02:13:08,840
And when the board and that project developer gets sued,

1395
02:13:09,020 --> 02:13:13,920
that person doesn't have the money any longer to defend the county or defend themselves.

1396
02:13:14,280 --> 02:13:22,520
And normally, again, it's like the unwillingness, the county doesn't necessarily have an incentive to defend the permit.

1397
02:13:23,060 --> 02:13:28,880
In that situation, we usually settle as well, and then we look to, and it's very difficult to recover.

1398
02:13:28,880 --> 02:13:36,920
but we look to the poorly capitalized project proponent to try and recoup our losses.

1399
02:13:37,300 --> 02:13:39,680
Sometimes we're successful, sometimes we're not.

1400
02:13:40,940 --> 02:13:46,180
But I just think it's really important to understand that one, the project proponent

1401
02:13:46,180 --> 02:13:52,900
is going to be a party to the litigation and they should have incentive to defend their project and their permit.

1402
02:13:52,900 --> 02:14:01,380
Yet, talking about the history of the indignification clause, again I told you we reviewed the clauses

1403
02:14:01,380 --> 02:14:08,340
at least back through 2000 and the provision, I know we've had a comment and we've had

1404
02:14:08,340 --> 02:14:12,140
comments in the past, I just realized there's no one here,

1405
02:14:15,190 --> 02:14:21,750
sorry, the provision has never had

1406
02:14:21,750 --> 02:14:23,110
an expiration date.

1407
02:14:23,390 --> 02:14:30,530
There are some who will argue that similar to subdivision mapback, which has an expiration

1408
02:14:30,530 --> 02:14:31,870
date per statute.

1409
02:14:32,070 --> 02:14:37,810
The legislature has decided that when you process a subdivision mapback, if you get

1410
02:14:37,810 --> 02:14:42,270
that approved, you only have a certain amount of time to contest it.

1411
02:14:42,430 --> 02:14:45,450
They have not done so with regard to land use permits.

1412
02:14:46,670 --> 02:14:58,470
I and my office feel strongly that having an expiration permit or a date basically then cuts off the permit holders' responsibility.

1413
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:29,980
On to the county, all of the responsibility. And if there's a lawsuit over that permit, over the conditions of that permit, or some other type of action, the county is going to be left holding the ball. There's no question that over time, I think the risk decreases for litigation, that it does always remain through the life of that permit. The provision has never been limited to specific types of litigation. We've heard in the past that then demification clause was put in there.

1414
02:15:29,980 --> 02:15:36,840
just to protect against sequel actions, and you only have so much time to file a sequel action after the approval of a permit.

1415
02:15:37,220 --> 02:15:44,760
It has never been limited to just one type of action, and again, I would say it should never be limited to one type of action.

1416
02:15:45,820 --> 02:15:51,040
It has consistently included defending against the challenge of an approval.

1417
02:15:51,380 --> 02:15:57,580
It has consistently required a defending the county's interpretation or enforcement of the conditions.

1418
02:15:57,580 --> 02:16:02,940
and it has consistently required them to defend against any third party claim.

1419
02:16:04,220 --> 02:16:24,280
Indimification litigation can be somewhat complicated and really where the battle field is is in the interpretation and the breadth of that clause that the person being challenged saying I don't think this indemnification clause requires me to bend this type of action or that type of action.

1420
02:16:24,280 --> 02:16:34,640
So our clause, we have tried very hard to make sure that an applicant knows this is what will be required of you if you were sued on this permit.

1421
02:16:35,020 --> 02:16:38,180
You will be required to defend us on a challenge of approval.

1422
02:16:38,360 --> 02:16:45,500
You will be required to defend our interpretation and enforcement and you will be required on any other type of claim.

1423
02:16:45,860 --> 02:16:52,420
If you look at some of the clauses from the other counties, they aren't necessarily asked specific, but they are as broad.

1424
02:16:52,420 --> 02:17:02,220
They just kind of say, any claim, any type of action, you are going to have to defend the current clause.

1425
02:17:02,520 --> 02:17:05,220
Again, we've heard some comments that it is greatly expanded.

1426
02:17:05,380 --> 02:17:07,260
The current clause is not greatly expanded.

1427
02:17:07,640 --> 02:17:15,360
What is added to the current indemnification clause is specific language in regards to, particularly on larger projects,

1428
02:17:15,360 --> 02:17:28,360
that if we get sued, and you get sued, you will be required to enter into an indemnification agreement with us, and then we say, and here's what the agreement is going to require you to do.

1429
02:17:28,760 --> 02:17:38,500
Again, having an applicant enter into an indemnification agreement is nothing new. You've seen it. We've had it over the years, again, usually on larger projects.

1430
02:17:38,500 --> 02:17:48,620
But it's just one more tool to, as a condition of approval, and it's one more tool to say to the applicant, here's what's going to be required of you.

1431
02:17:48,760 --> 02:17:53,660
We aren't hiding the ball, we're being transparent, we're telling you what the rules of the game are.

1432
02:17:54,800 --> 02:18:01,020
And again, that is also very common with regard to other entities.

1433
02:18:01,020 --> 02:18:29,300
We attached for you, Monterey, Ventura, Sanbarra, Counties, and the Coastal Commission, all are similar, some of the words are a little bit different, but all are similar, so I think all and all the indemnification requirement is a really important protection for the county and our liability, it protects the board in the decisions you make, and it says we say early on to the applicant, if you want this project, this private project,

1434
02:18:29,300 --> 02:18:31,520
Here's what the rules of the game are.

1435
02:18:31,680 --> 02:18:33,560
We're not hiding the ball, we're letting them know.

1436
02:18:34,080 --> 02:18:39,020
I would not recommend that we put an expiration date on our identification clause,

1437
02:18:39,160 --> 02:18:41,080
because again, I think it puts the county at risk.

1438
02:18:41,340 --> 02:18:46,920
And I would not recommend that we get into a situation of trying to negotiate

1439
02:18:46,920 --> 02:18:50,020
the identification clause from the dias in an open meeting.

1440
02:18:51,080 --> 02:18:56,120
Usually, if a project proponent has a concern with the endignification clause,

1441
02:18:56,120 --> 02:19:02,280
because they make contact with us and there have been times where we've made small changes

1442
02:19:02,280 --> 02:19:06,860
to the indemnification clause based on a particular project, but we try and resolve all of

1443
02:19:06,860 --> 02:19:08,780
that before we get to this board.

1444
02:19:09,040 --> 02:19:16,160
So again, indemnification clauses aren't new, they're really an important tool in the process

1445
02:19:16,160 --> 02:19:23,180
of a land use permit and I am happy to answer any questions without getting too far deep

1446
02:19:23,180 --> 02:19:27,340
into the law of indemnification, I will stop there, so thank you.

1447
02:19:27,700 --> 02:19:33,080
Thank you. Questions? I see no questions from the board.

1448
02:19:33,900 --> 02:19:36,200
So, oh, yes. Supervisor Ortizlik.

1449
02:19:36,360 --> 02:19:45,000
Yes, thank you. That was helpful. And I think that the one piece that seems to come across

1450
02:19:45,000 --> 02:19:54,860
for some reason is that there is this potential that one that's a developer, whoever the applicant is,

1451
02:19:55,260 --> 02:19:58,840
could be caught to pay county fees.

1452
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:00,520
perpetuity.

1453
02:20:02,700 --> 02:20:29,700
Do we know of any situation? You gave us a lot of good examples, but those are all things that happen within a certain period of time after the permit is, you know, in flux. And then put, you know, a decision has been made and put into action. But then after the building is built and all of that, are there times that something could happen?

1454
02:20:29,700 --> 02:20:40,440
and where the county is going back to the time applicant, now the owner, and saying you failed here or something like that.

1455
02:20:41,180 --> 02:20:43,060
Is there an example of that?

1456
02:20:43,240 --> 02:20:48,220
Yeah, read and kneel, really, and I always want to be careful to never say never.

1457
02:20:48,380 --> 02:20:53,960
We haven't been sued that I can think the time I've been here years later on a permit.

1458
02:20:53,960 --> 02:21:01,780
But usually what comes up if there's a project development, they're not complying with their conditions of approval.

1459
02:21:02,120 --> 02:21:10,840
It turns into an enforcement action and the county is making every effort to assure that they're complying with their conditions of permit.

1460
02:21:11,140 --> 02:21:16,740
If there are complaints from others that the conditions of the permit aren't being met, we try and

1461
02:21:16,740 --> 02:21:24,800
and work again, determine if it is a violation of the permit or not, and work with all parties involved to assure there's compliance.

1462
02:21:25,000 --> 02:21:32,560
Now, there are times where maybe there are expansions of the permit over time, and people argue over those things.

1463
02:21:32,840 --> 02:21:37,100
But I can't think of a time where we've been sued years later over approval of the permit.

1464
02:21:37,100 --> 02:22:06,260
But that's helpful, you know, I know that people, we have to keep out a look for, make sure that they're not being included in something that leaves them with a high risk, so I appreciate the explanation today and understanding more about the need for continually adapting to the circumstances and also looking at the other counties on what they're doing. Thank you.

1465
02:22:06,260 --> 02:22:12,140
So, yeah, and I will just say, you know, our office does periodically look at all our indemnification

1466
02:22:12,140 --> 02:22:18,000
clauses, not just regard, in regard to land use permits, recently we went over a thorough review

1467
02:22:18,000 --> 02:22:21,060
for our contractual indemnification clauses.

1468
02:22:21,220 --> 02:22:26,720
So, it's something we're constantly trying to update or tweak or address concerns as they come up.

1469
02:22:27,920 --> 02:22:28,440
Okay.

1470
02:22:31,050 --> 02:22:33,970
Let's go to the teams of public comment.

1471
02:22:33,970 --> 02:22:40,130
I know everybody finds this fascinating, we do, I'm not so sure the community does.

1472
02:22:40,230 --> 02:22:45,510
The feed would pension this kind of thing, and I pretty much think that we had more people.

1473
02:22:45,750 --> 02:22:54,810
So I'm going to open public comment, and I'm going to close public comment, seeing that we have no speaker slips and bring it back to the board for their comments, supervisor Arnold.

1474
02:22:54,990 --> 02:22:58,770
So thank you, and thank you, Rita, for your presentation.

1475
02:22:58,770 --> 02:23:21,330
I talked about this over all the years, I think, that I've been elected here, and I'll just say you as a county attorney and John sir to and many your whole office, I feel like you have two jobs, you're the attorney for all things county, and then and then I often hear you use the phrase and rightly so you're protecting the taxpayer, right?

1476
02:23:21,330 --> 02:23:25,030
Right, we have a gazillion lawsuits, it's coming out of the taxpayers' pocket.

1477
02:23:25,270 --> 02:23:30,250
So, for all those reasons, I get this whole identification clause.

1478
02:23:30,870 --> 02:23:33,390
And this, I don't even know what the solution would ever be.

1479
02:23:33,510 --> 02:23:42,230
And maybe it's just a modernization and sophistication of society that we have these problems here.

1480
02:23:42,310 --> 02:23:48,970
But so for me, when I watch people come, especially single-family residences.

1481
02:23:48,970 --> 02:23:54,550
I mean, it's one thing you expect that big projects are well financed or hopefully so.

1482
02:23:55,210 --> 02:24:01,410
And they have, you know, they already have attorneys and they have a lot of reasons to have attorneys and they're ready for those kinds of challenges.

1483
02:24:01,630 --> 02:24:05,430
But all these years, we talk about affordable housing and how can people.

1484
02:24:05,990 --> 02:24:10,350
And when we see the single family residents or some small project come in,

1485
02:24:10,730 --> 02:24:14,430
and they're asking for a permit and permission.

1486
02:24:14,430 --> 02:24:20,990
And I'd laugh about that because I always tell people even when they get frustrated with the whole.

1487
02:24:21,830 --> 02:24:24,390
This is my property and I should be able to do whatever I want.

1488
02:24:24,490 --> 02:24:30,310
I always look to invite district California, it's an example why we need compatibility and

1489
02:24:30,310 --> 02:24:35,390
conflict resolution before things are built and why we issue these permits.

1490
02:24:35,650 --> 02:24:41,110
But I think especially the lay person who has single family residents, I'll go back to this.

1491
02:24:41,110 --> 02:24:50,750
It could be a financial burden, but certainly it's kind of a worry, I think, for people inexperienced with having to deal with lawsuits.

1492
02:24:52,170 --> 02:24:58,770
So coming in, and they expect that we are only permitting if everything's completely legal.

1493
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:29,980
As their county government, they pay their taxes, and they're going to pay more once they build that house. But they're expecting our expertise to say you can have the permit because everything you're asking for is legal, or you can't because everything you're asking for is not legal in our planning world. And that's what has been bothersome to me that then we say, okay, we're giving you the permit, we're saying you're legal. But if anyone in the outside world comes in to you for what you're building,

1494
02:25:29,980 --> 02:25:32,560
building, then that's on you.

1495
02:25:33,240 --> 02:25:35,600
And so it always kind of worries me, there are rules.

1496
02:25:36,300 --> 02:25:38,380
They have to come ask us for permission.

1497
02:25:38,900 --> 02:25:43,580
We're kind of ensuring them, we're giving you a permit because this all looks okidoki.

1498
02:25:44,340 --> 02:25:49,740
And then, but we're leaving you with a liability and maybe some people can't, we talk about

1499
02:25:49,740 --> 02:25:58,800
affordable, that's, and then this doesn't, for me it doesn't pertain to people that are

1500
02:25:58,800 --> 02:26:16,280
They're not complying with their permit, but the people that are are complying with their permit, they're taking, basically they're taking a risk to come ask us for a permit and then go forward and build something that we're actually as a county government benefit from as well, but they have to take this legal risk that they may be unprepared for.

1501
02:26:16,280 --> 02:26:21,280
So that's been my concern ever since I was elected and still remains to be so if anyone

1502
02:26:21,280 --> 02:26:27,880
ever has a bright idea how we could remove that risk then I would think they were my hero.

1503
02:26:28,920 --> 02:26:30,200
So thank you.

1504
02:26:30,620 --> 02:26:31,440
Thank you.

1505
02:26:32,020 --> 02:26:38,060
So looking around there are no other comments you guys have wooed us all into silence and

1506
02:26:38,060 --> 02:26:44,500
no motion was made so this is a receive and file report and we appreciate that.

1507
02:26:44,500 --> 02:26:59,660
So, this item is closed and now we are moving on to closed session, so I'm going to ask if there's any public comment on closed session, seeing none, I will close public comment on closed session and ask council for a time estimates.

1508
02:27:00,000 --> 02:27:07,580
Yes, I'd say we be in closed session about an hour. We're going to talk about items 1, 3 through 13 and 15 and 16.

1509
02:27:07,580 --> 02:27:18,100
Okay, one hour, and we will reconvene this meeting at 1.30 here, and we have a couple items this afternoon, so we'll see you at 1.30.

1510
02:27:54,080 --> 02:27:58,740
Okay, welcome back, I apologize, we're one minute and 40 seconds late.

1511
02:27:59,960 --> 02:28:07,060
But we are going to take two items here this afternoon, 27 and 28, and we're going to reverse them.

1512
02:28:07,060 --> 02:28:08,140
Chairman Pashon.

1513
02:28:08,340 --> 02:28:08,500
Yes.

1514
02:28:08,840 --> 02:28:10,040
Could I just report out of close?

1515
02:28:10,040 --> 02:28:11,640
Oh, yes, of course you can't.

1516
02:28:11,680 --> 02:28:13,160
Please report out of close session.

1517
02:28:13,240 --> 02:28:15,100
Yes, there was no report out of close session.

1518
02:28:15,200 --> 02:28:15,800
There it is.

1519
02:28:16,100 --> 02:28:17,360
All right, we hit that.

1520
02:28:18,280 --> 02:28:20,000
This is the highlight of the afternoon.

1521
02:28:20,840 --> 02:28:26,440
So we're gonna take 28 first because we have some staffing issues

1522
02:28:26,440 --> 02:28:29,400
and some travel issues of that's okay with everybody.

1523
02:28:29,960 --> 02:28:35,080
We are going to ask now the clerk to introduce item 28.

1524
02:28:35,080 --> 02:28:48,860
A hearing to present needs identified during community outreach and allow for public comment to establish funding priorities for allocating local, state and federal funds towards affordable housing homelessness and community development.

1525
02:28:49,160 --> 02:28:53,720
And we have a presentation today from our friends at the Department of Social Services.

1526
02:28:57,060 --> 02:28:59,840
Good afternoon Chairperson Vishalani and members of the board.

1527
02:29:00,540 --> 02:29:04,460
I am George Solis, administrative services manager with the homeless services division.

1528
02:29:04,460 --> 02:29:11,300
Today, staff will present needs identified during community outreach and take consideration

1529
02:29:11,640 --> 02:29:16,960
of public comments to guide how the county will allocate local, state, and federal funding

1530
02:29:17,340 --> 02:29:22,460
to address housing, homelessness, and community development as part of the 2024 Action

1531
02:29:22,460 --> 02:29:22,740
Plan.

1532
02:29:23,760 --> 02:29:28,600
I will now turn over the presentation to March Castle Program Manager also with the Homeless

1533
02:29:28,600 --> 02:29:29,280
Services Division.

1534
02:29:29,280 --> 02:29:34,200
Good afternoon, Chairman Pashong, members of the Board, ladies and gentlemen.

1535
02:29:34,640 --> 02:29:42,700
The County of San Luis Obispo prepares and submits an annual action plan to the US Department of Housing and Urban Development HUD,

1536
02:29:43,620 --> 02:29:50,180
which describes how the urban county will allocate federal grant funds, including community development block grants,

1537
02:29:50,820 --> 02:29:57,320
home investment partnerships, and the emergency solutions grant to address the urban county's housing,

1538
02:29:57,320 --> 02:29:58,840
homelessness and community.

1539
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:26,640
Local government needs. The community participation plan for the urban county requires that staff gather public input regarding these needs. Today's hearing is required by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development. The purpose of this hearing is to give the public an opportunity to express their views on both the needs of the community and the use of federal funds. Public input will be considered for funding priorities for the 2024 action plan.

1540
02:30:26,640 --> 02:30:31,560
The result of the Community Needs Survey will be presented during this hearing.

1541
02:30:33,560 --> 02:30:40,920
The 2024 Action Plan is the fifth and final chapter of the 2020 to 2024 Consolidated Plan.

1542
02:30:41,360 --> 02:30:51,380
The Consolidated Plan is a five year planning document required by HUD to be submitted by all jurisdictions that directly receive HUD entitlement funds.

1543
02:30:51,380 --> 02:31:00,440
The plan is designed to help assess local affordable housing and community development needs to then be able to make effective funding decisions.

1544
02:31:00,900 --> 02:31:05,020
The consolidated plan is carried out through the annual action plans.

1545
02:31:07,540 --> 02:31:13,040
Community members were able to provide input for the 2024 action plan in the following ways.

1546
02:31:13,040 --> 02:31:22,060
An online survey, attendance at one of two virtual workshops held in October 2023, and today's public hearing.

1547
02:31:24,760 --> 02:31:30,220
The community was notified of the opportunity to present comments through the following engagement efforts.

1548
02:31:30,880 --> 02:31:41,040
A published public notice in the Tribune, two online workshops via Zoom, four posts on the County of San Luis Obispo Government Facebook page,

1549
02:31:41,040 --> 02:31:44,940
4 posts on the County of San Luis Obispo Instagram.

1550
02:31:45,820 --> 02:31:49,480
One post on next door using the Homeless Services Division handle.

1551
02:31:51,400 --> 02:31:56,700
Distribution of the community development needs assessment flyers to public serving county offices.

1552
02:31:57,720 --> 02:32:05,340
Two DSS community outreach booths, a downtown farmers market, and the day they less warrant this at Mission Plaza in San Luis Obispo.

1553
02:32:05,340 --> 02:32:11,300
a press release asking for community input on slow county housing and homelessness needs.

1554
02:32:12,200 --> 02:32:18,100
All social media posts and community engagement opportunities were developed using culturally

1555
02:32:18,100 --> 02:32:23,820
appropriate language and current accessibility standards and provided in both English and Spanish.

1556
02:32:24,600 --> 02:32:29,920
The seven public outreach avenues directed community members to the county of San Luis Obispo's

1557
02:32:29,920 --> 02:32:35,180
community development webpage. Visitors to this webpage were able to learn more

1558
02:32:35,180 --> 02:32:42,360
about the 2020 to 2024 consolidated plan, the priorities the plan outlines, and how to provide

1559
02:32:42,360 --> 02:32:45,040
input for the 2024 action plan.

1560
02:32:47,340 --> 02:32:51,320
The use of social media and in-person outreach proved to be highly

1561
02:32:51,320 --> 02:32:56,260
effective in engaging with community members and driving them to the County of San Luis Obispo

1562
02:32:56,260 --> 02:33:02,720
Community Development webpage. The message is used for the campaigns focused on the importance of the

1563
02:33:02,720 --> 02:33:08,040
community members' voices and the significance of the plans and federal support to stay on the

1564
02:33:08,040 --> 02:33:14,480
Service Bill County's communities. All publications focused on how the outcomes of the consolidated plan

1565
02:33:14,480 --> 02:33:21,000
and related action plans impact community members and limit the more detailed information often

1566
02:33:21,000 --> 02:33:23,600
tied to federal level community development funds.

1567
02:33:26,890 --> 02:33:29,270
During the public comment period from October

1568
02:33:29,270 --> 02:33:30,870
We were 6th through November 5th.

1569
02:33:30,870 --> 02:33:37,150
We were able to drive 469 visitors to the County of San Los Obispo's Community Development website,

1570
02:33:37,730 --> 02:33:41,730
which yielded a 74.6 conversion rate for the online survey.

1571
02:33:42,410 --> 02:33:49,550
The high conversion rate means that we were able to connect with the intended audience of slow county community members,

1572
02:33:49,950 --> 02:33:53,210
and messaging resonated with those engaging with the content.

1573
02:33:54,090 --> 02:33:57,930
We received 348 community responses to the survey.

1574
02:33:57,930 --> 02:34:02,530
In 2022, we received 54 responses to the survey.

1575
02:34:05,440 --> 02:34:07,380
So who responded to the survey?

1576
02:34:08,300 --> 02:34:13,020
94% of the responses received were submitted by members of the community.

1577
02:34:13,660 --> 02:34:17,120
3% were submitted by a local government representative.

1578
02:34:17,800 --> 02:34:21,900
2% were submitted by a nonprofit organization representative.

1579
02:34:22,480 --> 02:34:25,240
And 1% were submitted by other, or

1580
02:34:25,240 --> 02:34:27,740
people not identified in the previous categories.

1581
02:34:27,740 --> 02:34:34,360
By comparison, in 2022, we had 16 responses from community members.

1582
02:34:37,650 --> 02:34:39,230
Where did the respondents live?

1583
02:34:40,030 --> 02:34:46,250
38% were from the central county, of those 97% were from the city of San Luis Obispo.

1584
02:34:47,310 --> 02:34:53,250
30% were from North County, and of those, 47% were from Atasca Dero,

1585
02:34:53,770 --> 02:34:58,830
44% were from Pasarobles, and others included Templeton,

1586
02:34:58,830 --> 02:34:59,450
Press.

1587
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:29,180
Anno, Santa Margarita, and San Miguel. 17% were from South County, of those 27% were from Grover Beach, 27% were from Nampomo, 22% were from Arroyo Grande, 10% were from Pismo Beach, 5% from Avala Beach, and 5% from Oceano. 13% were from the North Coast, and of those 45% were from Los Osos,

1588
02:35:29,180 --> 02:35:39,380
25% were from Morro Bay, 15% were from Cambria and 13% from Baywood Park, 5% of the respondents

1589
02:35:39,380 --> 02:35:40,460
were from other areas.

1590
02:35:44,480 --> 02:35:51,040
Where did the respondents work? 38% were from the Central County and

1591
02:35:51,040 --> 02:36:00,840
of those 97% were from the City of Slow. I apologize, 43% work in the Central County, 14% work

1592
02:36:00,840 --> 02:36:10,160
in North County, 7% work in South County, 3% work on the North Coast, 14% are retired

1593
02:36:10,500 --> 02:36:12,300
and 2% are students.

1594
02:36:13,540 --> 02:36:18,480
Other included those working remotely out of the county, commuting outside the county

1595
02:36:18,480 --> 02:36:20,280
for work or stay at home parents.

1596
02:36:24,120 --> 02:36:26,800
Do respondents rent or own their residences?

1597
02:36:26,800 --> 02:36:35,620
57% own their own residents, 41% rent their residents, and 2% have other living arrangements.

1598
02:36:39,200 --> 02:36:46,400
In what type of primary residents do respondents live, 65% reside in a single family house,

1599
02:36:46,920 --> 02:36:57,700
13% in an apartment or loft, 11% in a condo or town home, 5% in a duplex, 2% in an ADU,

1600
02:36:57,700 --> 02:37:02,980
2% in a manufactured home, and 1% are living in a vehicle.

1601
02:37:07,550 --> 02:37:10,170
How burdened are respondents by housing costs?

1602
02:37:11,190 --> 02:37:18,090
26% spend 46% or more of their gross monthly income on housing costs.

1603
02:37:18,930 --> 02:37:24,790
32% spend 30% to 45% of their gross monthly income on housing costs.

1604
02:37:24,790 --> 02:37:35,410
24% spend 19 to 29% of their gross monthly income on housing costs, 14% spend 18% or less

1605
02:37:35,410 --> 02:37:39,930
of the gross monthly income on housing costs, and 5% don't know.

1606
02:37:44,320 --> 02:37:48,960
61% are spending 30% or more on housing.

1607
02:37:51,960 --> 02:37:56,880
Those numbers represent nearly two out of three respondents who are burdened by their housing

1608
02:37:56,880 --> 02:37:57,440
costs.

1609
02:37:57,440 --> 02:37:58,280
Has

1610
02:38:03,080 --> 02:38:08,340
it been difficult for respondents to find housing in San Luis Obispo County since January 2020?

1611
02:38:09,620 --> 02:38:13,500
47% of respondents have not looked for housing since 2020.

1612
02:38:14,100 --> 02:38:18,540
Of the 53% of respondents who looked for housing since 2020,

1613
02:38:19,040 --> 02:38:24,260
85% found it difficult and 15% easily found housing.

1614
02:38:28,270 --> 02:38:31,250
Why was it difficult for respondents to find housing?

1615
02:38:32,550 --> 02:38:35,690
157 respondents participated in this question.

1616
02:38:36,650 --> 02:38:39,590
Each respondent was allowed to select multiple answers.

1617
02:38:40,510 --> 02:38:42,710
The four top responses were as follows.

1618
02:38:43,650 --> 02:38:46,750
Available housing options were outside of my budget,

1619
02:38:47,870 --> 02:38:50,430
competition from other renters or buyers,

1620
02:38:51,370 --> 02:38:54,270
lack of housing options near my work, school,

1621
02:38:54,830 --> 02:38:59,070
family or transportation, difficulty meeting income

1622
02:38:59,070 --> 02:39:00,350
or credit requirements.

1623
02:39:04,720 --> 02:39:08,120
Where do the respondents or their dependents attend school?

1624
02:39:09,100 --> 02:39:13,100
57% did not have anyone in their household who attended school.

1625
02:39:13,900 --> 02:39:18,240
The top two responses were San Luis Coastal Unified School District and

1626
02:39:18,240 --> 02:39:20,600
the Passa Robles Joint Unified School District.

1627
02:39:25,190 --> 02:39:30,890
Survey takers were asked to rank two sets of community development funding priorities.

1628
02:39:30,890 --> 02:39:39,170
the 2020 to 2024 consolidated plan goals and the home American Rescue Plan Program activities.

1629
02:39:40,250 --> 02:39:47,930
We asked respondents to rank funding priorities that are included in the 2020 to 2024 consolidated plan.

1630
02:39:49,010 --> 02:39:54,870
49% ranked create housing opportunities for residents as their number one choice.

1631
02:39:55,890 --> 02:39:58,470
32% ranked, reduced the number.

1632
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:07,800
It is experiencing homelessness as their second choice. 31% ranked that option as number one.

1633
02:40:08,840 --> 02:40:15,040
33% ranked create suitable living environments through public services as their third choice.

1634
02:40:15,920 --> 02:40:23,160
24% ranked stabilize and revitalize neighborhoods through infrastructure projects as their fourth choice.

1635
02:40:23,160 --> 02:40:29,180
And 33% ranked improved education and job readiness as their fifth choice.

1636
02:40:32,400 --> 02:40:39,900
We included an unallocated amount of funding in the 2024 Action Plan NOFA of home ARP funds.

1637
02:40:40,340 --> 02:40:43,600
And we asked respondents to rank funding priorities for this program.

1638
02:40:45,140 --> 02:40:50,200
Production of affordable rental housing was ranked number one by 53%.

1639
02:40:51,140 --> 02:40:55,120
Preservation of affordable rental housing was ranked number two by

1640
02:40:55,120 --> 02:41:02,120
by 45%, financial rental assistance was ranked number three by 39%.

1641
02:41:02,120 --> 02:41:07,320
Supportive services was ranked at number four by 43%.

1642
02:41:07,920 --> 02:41:14,060
Acquisition and development of non-congregate shelters was ranked at number five by 57%.

1643
02:41:18,380 --> 02:41:25,400
Respondents were asked if there was a goal not addressed in the 2020 to 2024 consolidated plan that needed to be addressed.

1644
02:41:25,400 --> 02:41:33,560
Most common themes included down payment assistance, improved transportation options,

1645
02:41:34,180 --> 02:41:39,580
infrastructure to support communities, lack of affordable housing options,

1646
02:41:40,020 --> 02:41:46,640
more in-term shelters and services, rent control, limit short-term rentals,

1647
02:41:47,400 --> 02:41:51,800
subsistence abuse and mental health services, workforce housing.

1648
02:41:51,800 --> 02:41:52,880
The

1649
02:41:56,680 --> 02:42:01,540
tentative schedule for the 2024 action plan are as follows.

1650
02:42:01,980 --> 02:42:07,600
Staff are currently reviewing applications received for eligibility and performing the threshold review.

1651
02:42:08,520 --> 02:42:15,800
During November and December, the grant review committees are reviewing and scoring the 2024 action plan applications.

1652
02:42:16,800 --> 02:42:20,880
Today, we are holding the needs assessment hearing before the Board of Supervisors.

1653
02:42:20,880 --> 02:42:28,260
On January 17th, HSOC will review and vote on public service recommendations from the Grant Review Committee.

1654
02:42:29,060 --> 02:42:39,980
And on April 9th, staff will present the draft recommendations for the 2024 Action Plan to the Board of Supervisors for approval and request authorization to submit the Action Plan to HUD.

1655
02:42:42,580 --> 02:42:44,380
Thank you very much for your time.

1656
02:42:44,860 --> 02:42:46,100
Staff are available for questions.

1657
02:42:46,800 --> 02:42:48,000
Questions from the Board.

1658
02:42:51,530 --> 02:42:52,550
Supervisor Ortizlik.

1659
02:42:52,790 --> 02:42:53,150
Thank you.

1660
02:42:53,150 --> 02:42:59,670
you. Thank you so much, Margin George. It's very nice to have you here. You know, I thought

1661
02:42:59,670 --> 02:43:06,450
that the answers were thoughtful that provided they were comprehensive. How much really though

1662
02:43:06,450 --> 02:43:12,430
from the HUD funding can we do in regards to some of the things such as transportation,

1663
02:43:12,890 --> 02:43:19,630
infrastructure, down payment assistance? I suppose there are times though when we do credit,

1664
02:43:19,630 --> 02:43:25,010
But we do help with some apartment down payment assistance that is that true?

1665
02:43:25,430 --> 02:43:28,270
Can you just clarify those categories a little bit more?

1666
02:43:29,430 --> 02:43:36,870
So part of the issue that we have is that home and home ARP can be used for things like

1667
02:43:36,870 --> 02:43:44,130
down payment assistance and development of affordable housing, CDBG, not so much.

1668
02:43:44,130 --> 02:43:53,830
We do have some other limited resources, PLHA, ESG that allow for certain things, but

1669
02:43:53,830 --> 02:43:59,630
the funding is not nearly at the level that we really need to address the issue.

1670
02:44:00,750 --> 02:44:01,570
Thank you.

1671
02:44:02,250 --> 02:44:07,770
So I just wanted to point out that we're already part of a program called the Golden State Finance Authority.

1672
02:44:08,130 --> 02:44:12,730
I sit on that board through RCRC, rural county representatives of California.

1673
02:44:12,730 --> 02:44:20,190
their down payment assistance actually just helped a couple people here in our county recently and so I just

1674
02:44:20,190 --> 02:44:42,710
probably for people that are listening, if you're looking for down payment assistance, it's opened everybody and it's under it's a golden state finance authority and it's actually their 30th year in business and it's part of as I said part of a bigger organization where we sit on the board and I'm one of the board members and I know that they've been active in our community so just so

1675
02:44:42,710 --> 02:44:46,030
something to bring up that it is available out there in other places.

1676
02:44:47,390 --> 02:44:51,950
Okay, so seeing no other questions, we'll go to public comment.

1677
02:44:54,400 --> 02:44:58,460
We have no public comment. Oh, we do have public comment on this item.

1678
02:45:06,160 --> 02:45:36,140
Good afternoon board, Wendy Lewis with El Camino Homeless Organization. I'm here today to thank the staff for putting so much effort into this plan and really in such a thoughtful way. They took their time, they worked through organizations like us, the survey, reaching as many people as it did this year. You saw just the change and that just shows the growth as we have added the department and expanded homeless services in our county. So that was the main reason I'm here is just to thank and show that we are

1679
02:45:36,140 --> 02:45:39,800
supportive of the plan and look forward to working with the department next year.

1680
02:45:40,380 --> 02:45:47,140
Also want to update, it was about a month and a half ago that we came, echo came to the

1681
02:45:47,140 --> 02:45:52,600
board for help with funding for adding at 20 additional beds at our passable location.

1682
02:45:53,180 --> 02:45:57,600
Just wanted to update the board that all staff have been hired and those beds have been starting

1683
02:45:57,600 --> 02:46:00,600
to be opened and added to the resources we provide.

1684
02:46:00,600 --> 02:46:09,080
So, your guys support really helped right before winter and the cold, and we will be at 70 beds very, very soon.

1685
02:46:09,200 --> 02:46:12,720
So, I just want to thank the board again for that, show support for the plan.

1686
02:46:13,080 --> 02:46:20,620
And then as of today, we have helped 184 individuals or children back in the permanent housing so far this year.

1687
02:46:20,780 --> 02:46:24,780
So, only possible with the support of the board and the entire community, so thank you.

1688
02:46:24,780 --> 02:46:25,660
Thank you.

1689
02:46:26,520 --> 02:46:28,380
Any other public comment today?

1690
02:46:28,660 --> 02:46:35,360
Seeing none, we'll close public comment, and we will bring it back to the board for any comments.

1691
02:46:37,670 --> 02:46:41,530
There is no action necessary for this to receive the information.

1692
02:46:42,250 --> 02:46:50,310
You've got a challenging work ahead as we try to craft the plan and bring it back for our final approval.

1693
02:46:51,210 --> 02:46:56,910
You know, I think the, as always, the watchward is making wise investments, right?

1694
02:46:56,910 --> 02:46:59,350
We're going to try to see where we can get the most impact.

1695
02:46:59,650 --> 02:47:06,930
That's as obvious a thing as one can say on this dice, but appreciate your work on that and we'll look forward to seeing what comes for it.

1696
02:47:07,670 --> 02:47:10,250
Okay. Seeing none, thank you very, very much.

1697
02:47:10,450 --> 02:47:15,470
This item is no action on this item, but we appreciate the hearing and hearing everything.

1698
02:47:17,290 --> 02:47:20,390
Okay, we're now going back to item 27.

1699
02:47:21,050 --> 02:47:25,330
Hopefully we have everybody here for item 27.

1700
02:47:26,050 --> 02:47:29,410
So I'm going to ask the clerk to introduce item 27.

1701
02:47:29,850 --> 02:47:32,110
I'm hearing to consider adoption of an ordinance,

1702
02:47:32,310 --> 02:47:45,170
redeclaring the shelter crisis in the County of San Luis Obispo and extending the establishment of local standards and procedures for the design site development and operation of emergency homeless shelters and public facilities.

1703
02:47:45,850 --> 02:47:49,750
And we have a presentation again from our friends in the Department of Social Services.

1704
02:47:51,450 --> 02:47:54,190
Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman and members of the board.

1705
02:47:54,830 --> 02:47:55,690
I'm Laurel Weyer.

1706
02:47:55,910 --> 02:48:01,210
I am the administrative services manager for the Homo Services Division at the Department of Social Services.

1707
02:48:02,410 --> 02:48:21,990
Next slide, let's, I got this item before you request that the board read to clear the existence of a shelter crisis in San Luis Obispo County and extends for one additional year.

1708
02:48:21,990 --> 02:48:26,930
the suspension and modification of local and state laws for the construction and

1709
02:48:26,930 --> 02:48:33,130
operation of emergency shelters located on county owned or least property or similar facilities.

1710
02:48:33,910 --> 02:48:43,230
The proposed ordinance and update of the building and life and safety standards would remain in place in our county until December 31st, 2024.

1711
02:48:43,690 --> 02:48:48,770
The current ordinance and safety standards are set to expire in December 31st, 2023.

1712
02:48:50,110 --> 02:48:59,150
The extension of the ordinance and safety standards will ensure the county can continue to move forward to increase the number of emergency shelter beds in the county.

1713
02:49:00,010 --> 02:49:09,730
Do the creation of non-congregate shelters and tiny home villages when developed on public facilities.

1714
02:49:10,230 --> 02:49:18,170
The adoption of the ordinance facilitates the opportunity to create a more streamlined process for the creation of these and accelerates the development.

1715
02:49:19,510 --> 02:49:20,550
Next slide.

1716
02:49:22,270 --> 02:49:29,530
While the ultimate goal is to move people into permanent housing, it is clear there is a need to provide more emergency shelter in the interim.

1717
02:49:30,310 --> 02:49:35,390
The most recent homeless point in time count of unsheltered persons, which was conducted in 2022,

1718
02:49:36,150 --> 02:49:39,850
found that the number of unsheltered persons far exceeded the number of shelter beds.

1719
02:49:40,270 --> 02:49:48,010
In the current year, HMIS data and other information from local providers also indicates the number of people

1720
02:49:48,010 --> 02:49:54,490
So coming into homeless services, this year, far exceeds the number of beds and local shelters and

1721
02:49:54,490 --> 02:49:58,550
interim housing projects report far greater need than can.

1722
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:29,480
From HMIS data, there were over 2,000 people who experienced homelessness and the county in the past year. An example of the current need outstripping the availability is that the Calvin's for Change Project in South County currently has a waiting list of over 200 people for a 200 bed project. And similarly, as Wendy mentioned, the board recently added 20 beds in North County because of the demand up there.

1723
02:50:29,480 --> 02:50:35,000
are also far outstripping the availability of the shelter.

1724
02:50:36,800 --> 02:50:42,280
Also, it's worth noting that these projects do you have a successful housing placement rate?

1725
02:50:43,320 --> 02:50:48,980
And the cabins for change project, for example, is placing people.

1726
02:50:49,100 --> 02:50:56,080
It's approximately over 70% of the people coming into that project are placed into permanent housing.

1727
02:50:56,080 --> 02:51:05,260
So, we are excited to move forward more of these projects and to sustain the projects that have been created slide four.

1728
02:51:07,190 --> 02:51:14,710
The ordinance and standards the board is being asked to adopt today are being proposed under the authority of and in accordance with state law.

1729
02:51:15,250 --> 02:51:26,370
The ordinance redeclares the existence of the shelter crisis in San Luis Obispo County as extends the standards and the modification of the standards.

1730
02:51:26,370 --> 02:51:33,530
I want to note that this modification applies only to emergency shelters located on public facilities within the county's jurisdiction.

1731
02:51:34,110 --> 02:51:40,170
So this does not apply to shelters, for example, operated on private property.

1732
02:51:40,770 --> 02:51:45,770
So it's a limited provision, slide by.

1733
02:51:47,150 --> 02:51:54,690
In conclusion, it's requested the board today adopt the attached ordinance extending the declaration of the shelter crisis by one year and

1734
02:51:54,690 --> 02:51:59,830
extending the county's local standards and procedures for the design site development and

1735
02:51:59,830 --> 02:52:04,690
operation of emergency homeless shelters at public facilities and wave reading of the ordinance.

1736
02:52:05,630 --> 02:52:10,470
Thank you, and I and county council are here to answer any questions.

1737
02:52:11,790 --> 02:52:14,090
The greatest power point of the day.

1738
02:52:15,710 --> 02:52:16,390
Thank you.

1739
02:52:16,750 --> 02:52:20,810
Okay, bring it back to the board for any comments, questions, I should say questions.

1740
02:52:21,430 --> 02:52:22,330
Questions, okay.

1741
02:52:22,990 --> 02:52:27,550
Seeing none, we'll go out to public comment and see if there's any public comment.

1742
02:52:27,750 --> 02:52:29,550
There is no public comment, see?

1743
02:52:30,010 --> 02:52:31,770
They also agree it was a great PowerPoint.

1744
02:52:32,490 --> 02:52:36,130
So we'll close public comment, bring it back to the board for comments and deliberations.

1745
02:52:36,990 --> 02:52:37,530
Mr. Paul Ding.

1746
02:52:37,710 --> 02:52:38,090
Thank you, Chair.

1747
02:52:38,790 --> 02:52:41,110
I appreciate this staff presentation, thank you, Laurel.

1748
02:52:41,470 --> 02:52:44,890
I think this is really important for our county to continue to do.

1749
02:52:45,010 --> 02:52:48,330
The homeless crisis is certainly not over, it's only going to get worse.

1750
02:52:48,330 --> 02:52:51,730
And so we have a lot of work to do to implement our Countywide Strategic Plan.

1751
02:52:52,470 --> 02:53:13,330
One thing I wanted the board and the public to be aware of is we are also working with our representatives through the California State Association of Counties regarding a potential exemption to the California Environmental Quality Act for, or let me clarify that to seek legislation that would help approve projects that are on, for example,

1752
02:53:13,330 --> 02:53:42,930
For example, county owned property that can and have been historically stopped using environmental regulations or environmental laws and that was one of the discussions we had at the CSAC conference around the table with a number of county supervisors from other counties earlier this year, many projects are being held up through that process and so that's one thing that I think goes in tandem with this effort and look forward to seeing us complete our strategic plan

1753
02:53:42,930 --> 02:53:45,830
and build the interim housing,

1754
02:53:46,030 --> 02:53:46,930
permanent supportive housing,

1755
02:53:46,950 --> 02:53:48,570
and emergency shelter capacity we need

1756
02:53:48,570 --> 02:53:49,790
in our community to house the homeless.

1757
02:53:50,550 --> 02:53:50,710
Okay.

1758
02:53:51,470 --> 02:53:52,530
Any other comments?

1759
02:53:52,910 --> 02:53:53,910
A surprise or a kiss like?

1760
02:53:54,170 --> 02:53:54,570
Thank you.

1761
02:53:55,590 --> 02:53:57,550
Thank you for coming in, Laurel,

1762
02:53:57,730 --> 02:53:59,210
and thank you for all that you

1763
02:53:59,210 --> 02:54:02,770
and the new Department of Homeless Services staff

1764
02:54:02,770 --> 02:54:04,150
has been working on this year.

1765
02:54:04,450 --> 02:54:07,570
It's, you know, we've had quite honestly,

1766
02:54:07,890 --> 02:54:11,850
a wonderful team that got handed

1767
02:54:11,850 --> 02:54:41,250
We did a kind of bumpy start with some change in leadership and all that, but I think we're really happy to have Morgan Terrell now in head of that department, and I think that we're going to be heading into 2024 in a very energetic and robust moment for us to really move forward on all that we've learned, and we've talked about it before, but as Wendy noted that her program has put in

1768
02:54:41,250 --> 02:54:57,370
184 I think five cities almost coalition is somewhere around 200 plus this year that have now permanently housed and so what we know now that we didn't know a few years ago was that a very robust

1769
02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:28,480
The housing can really get people to this next step of self-sufficiency. And I think before it was like, well, if we give them a place, then they should be able to figure everything out. But that's not quite how it works. And so now we're much more engaged and able to provide a deeper dive into putting somebody. I don't want to sound rude about it, but I think it's really important.

1770
02:55:28,480 --> 02:55:31,660
And it's helping people get back together, get their lives back together.

1771
02:55:32,000 --> 02:55:36,700
And when you have a team that can help you do that with all the services right there and

1772
02:55:36,700 --> 02:55:41,560
the housing right there and their own personal space, where they can sleep until they need

1773
02:55:41,560 --> 02:55:46,640
to and not have to force to get up but actually can rest and then get their body in shape and

1774
02:55:46,640 --> 02:55:51,840
then get their health in shape, they can actually go out and regain their life again.

1775
02:55:51,840 --> 02:56:00,840
And so I think this, you know, we're on to some really great opportunities and I think we'll

1776
02:56:00,840 --> 02:56:05,860
go back out into the field in January and we'll be doing our point in time count and I believe

1777
02:56:05,860 --> 02:56:07,120
that's what day, Laurel.

1778
02:56:10,820 --> 02:56:15,620
January, the second Tuesday I think of January if I'm not mistaken because

1779
02:56:15,620 --> 02:56:22,400
it's a board day. It'll be towards the end of January. It's a Tuesday. I believe it's the second to

1780
02:56:22,400 --> 02:56:25,320
of the last Tuesday in January, George is looking it up.

1781
02:56:25,440 --> 02:56:29,040
I can see it has to occur under the HUD rules

1782
02:56:29,040 --> 02:56:30,860
in the last 10 days in January.

1783
02:56:31,020 --> 02:56:31,880
On the last 10 days in January.

1784
02:56:31,880 --> 02:56:36,200
And I know that we scheduled it January 23rd.

1785
02:56:36,620 --> 02:56:39,280
And we have a rain date set, or not a rain date,

1786
02:56:39,300 --> 02:56:42,120
but if there's flooding like we experienced last year

1787
02:56:42,120 --> 02:56:43,760
on that date, we do have a backup date,

1788
02:56:43,780 --> 02:56:44,860
which is the following week.

1789
02:56:45,360 --> 02:56:46,180
That's fantastic.

1790
02:56:46,860 --> 02:56:50,200
And while there's other conversations going on,

1791
02:56:50,200 --> 02:56:56,800
you know, again, we've talked about this in the past, but there's a wide range of individuals

1792
02:56:56,800 --> 02:57:02,200
who find themselves unhoused and lots of challenges out there. But, you know, we're

1793
02:57:02,200 --> 02:57:08,300
paying attention to all of them. Some outcomes don't come as smoothly as we'd hope, and what

1794
02:57:08,300 --> 02:57:13,280
we'd like for everybody, but I can tell you that this team here is, and this board as well,

1795
02:57:13,700 --> 02:57:18,420
it has this as a high priority, so with that, I just wanted to just say, again, thank you,

1796
02:57:18,420 --> 02:57:20,400
and what we look forward to working hard next year.

1797
02:57:21,480 --> 02:57:21,700
Okay.

1798
02:57:22,420 --> 02:57:26,280
Oh, help this item actually, we have some recommended actions.

1799
02:57:26,640 --> 02:57:28,220
So is anybody want to make the motion?

1800
02:57:29,980 --> 02:57:31,300
Almost staff's recommendation.

1801
02:57:31,720 --> 02:57:32,400
Thank you, Laura.

1802
02:57:32,780 --> 02:57:33,300
Was there a second?

1803
02:57:33,540 --> 02:57:33,620
Second.

1804
02:57:34,140 --> 02:57:35,480
Okay, we have a motion in the second.

1805
02:57:35,620 --> 02:57:36,500
Any further discussion?

1806
02:57:37,360 --> 02:57:38,780
We're going to go to a roll call, though.

1807
02:57:39,500 --> 02:57:40,220
Supervisor Arnold?

1808
02:57:40,860 --> 02:57:41,160
Yes.

1809
02:57:41,560 --> 02:57:42,180
Supervisor Gibson?

1810
02:57:42,520 --> 02:57:42,660
Yes.

1811
02:57:43,340 --> 02:57:44,380
Supervisor Ortiz Ley?

1812
02:57:44,580 --> 02:57:44,740
Yes.

1813
02:57:45,300 --> 02:57:46,020
Supervisor Paul Dean?

1814
02:57:46,180 --> 02:57:46,320
Yes.

1815
02:57:46,680 --> 02:57:47,400
And Chairperson Pasha?

1816
02:57:47,400 --> 02:57:47,720
Yes.

1817
02:57:48,820 --> 02:58:02,820
Okay, so we're now gone to item 29 which is the Supervisors remarks and they may ask questions for clarification, make an announcement, report briefly on activities, and so I want to see if anybody has any Supervisor Pauling.

1818
02:58:03,420 --> 02:58:08,040
Chair, thank you. I'll be making a motion. I just wanted to give a little context before doing so.

1819
02:58:08,040 --> 02:58:22,280
So, earlier this week, we had a San Francisco Council of Governments Board Meeting, and one of the things that we adopted was the Oceano Bicycle, or excuse me, that was last week, sorry, Oceano Bicycle and Pedestrian Safety Action Plan.

1820
02:58:22,760 --> 02:58:34,100
We also adopted the Community Betterment Safe Streets for all competitive grant programs, cycle two, call for projects, and that is a local grant program that our board is implementing.

1821
02:58:34,100 --> 02:58:38,920
and grant applications are due January 26th of next year.

1822
02:58:39,640 --> 02:58:47,640
So for that reason, I would like to make a motion to direct staff to submit a grant application to slow cog

1823
02:58:47,640 --> 02:58:54,080
under the community betterments grant program cycle two to obtain funding necessary to develop capital funding

1824
02:58:54,080 --> 02:59:01,000
to leverage other state and federal grant opportunities to complete the scope of work identified as near term priority improvements

1825
02:59:01,000 --> 02:59:05,620
under the recently approved slow cog oceano bicycle and pedestrian safety action plan.

1826
02:59:05,920 --> 02:59:10,680
Regarding leveraging other grant opportunities to utilize the CSAC grants initiative,

1827
02:59:11,160 --> 02:59:14,980
as needed to develop funding strategies around potential state and

1828
02:59:14,980 --> 02:59:17,640
federal grant opportunities to complete project implementation.

1829
02:59:18,000 --> 02:59:23,720
For example, if we are not successful, I think we have a county council would like to weigh in on this.

1830
02:59:23,720 --> 02:59:24,860
Good afternoon, Rita Niel.

1831
02:59:25,000 --> 02:59:30,980
I think I would suggest supervisor Paul Dane that perhaps you make a motion to put this on the first meeting.

1832
02:59:30,980 --> 02:59:39,860
I mean agenda in January so that then you can direct staff to fill out the grant because it's not agenda is today to pursue a grant.

1833
02:59:40,640 --> 02:59:45,440
I will modify my emotion accordingly and just complete the last statement there.

1834
02:59:45,880 --> 02:59:49,120
Fire away. Okay, and I meant to state it that way so thank you for clarifying.

1835
02:59:49,960 --> 02:59:51,020
Got carried away.

1836
02:59:51,820 --> 02:59:53,100
She's such a killjoy.

1837
02:59:54,400 --> 02:59:57,000
I had a list of stuff I was going to go for.

1838
02:59:57,000 --> 02:59:58,080
You've been went through.

1839
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:29,620
For example, if we are not successful with an active transportation program award that staff would pursue the next cycle of the IIJA, which is the Investment Infrastructure Jobs Act, Safe Streets, for all program, or other programs recommended by the consultant. The idea there, and I've talked about it with our Public Works Department, there on board, is just to give official direction. Slow cog is planning on actually submitting the grant application, and then that we could leverage our CSAC grants initiative.

1840
03:00:29,620 --> 03:00:32,720
if needed, so that is the motion.

1841
03:00:32,880 --> 03:00:34,660
Again, to put that on the agenda for January.

1842
03:00:34,800 --> 03:00:37,240
January, any time or time specific?

1843
03:00:37,400 --> 03:00:41,360
The first meeting, because this grant application is due,

1844
03:00:41,720 --> 03:00:45,300
the first one would be due January, I think I said 26.

1845
03:00:45,880 --> 03:00:50,720
And we should ask our acting County administrative officers,

1846
03:00:50,720 --> 03:00:53,380
is there time on that agenda to be able to place this in there?

1847
03:00:54,580 --> 03:00:57,100
As far as I have this schedule right now, there is time.

1848
03:00:57,420 --> 03:00:57,640
Okay.

1849
03:00:57,640 --> 03:01:09,260
I'll second that and with a smile on my face director at the staff to make time on that agenda under discussion if I could certainly

1850
03:01:09,260 --> 03:01:16,060
My interest I think this is this is a good project and a supervisor Paul thing is

1851
03:01:16,640 --> 03:01:19,320
Thought about this long and hard. There's a grander scale

1852
03:01:19,840 --> 03:01:25,320
Effort that might eventually come to pass in Osceano. My interest in this is to make every

1853
03:01:27,640 --> 03:01:39,200
I take every opportunity to take advantage of the federal funds that the CSAC grants initiative is directly targeted at bringing to our county.

1854
03:01:39,900 --> 03:01:56,500
And so Supervisor Paulini and I have discussed this ATP grants which you referenced in there have a long history of breaking the hearts of various proponents of the projects because of the relatively small amount of money.

1855
03:01:58,540 --> 03:02:21,400
So I'm meager and I know staff is aware that we have a look at all possibilities out of the gate, and I know they will be doing the necessary footwork between now and the first part of the first meeting of January to get this teed up, but we have an opportunity through the grants initiative to access some serious dollars to get stuff done.

1856
03:02:21,400 --> 03:02:34,040
and the opportunities to me are particularly interesting in places like Oceano as a disadvantaged community with a lot of things to do.

1857
03:02:34,280 --> 03:02:40,400
So I'm fully supportive of this and hope we can mount a robust application.

1858
03:02:41,100 --> 03:02:45,200
Okay, so I'm just going to ask if there's any public comment on this motion in a second.

1859
03:02:45,420 --> 03:02:49,180
Seeing none, I'll close public comment any further discussion on it.

1860
03:02:49,180 --> 03:02:52,440
Seeing none, let's go to a little call book.

1861
03:02:52,860 --> 03:02:53,760
Supervisor Paul Thien?

1862
03:02:53,960 --> 03:02:54,120
Yes.

1863
03:02:54,440 --> 03:02:55,120
Supervisor Gibson?

1864
03:02:55,500 --> 03:02:55,680
Yes.

1865
03:02:56,080 --> 03:02:57,120
Supervisor Teeth Light?

1866
03:02:57,260 --> 03:02:57,440
Yes.

1867
03:02:58,220 --> 03:02:58,840
Supervisor Arnold?

1868
03:02:59,080 --> 03:02:59,200
Yes.

1869
03:02:59,660 --> 03:03:00,560
And Jeff, or something like that?

1870
03:03:00,620 --> 03:03:00,780
Yes.

1871
03:03:01,360 --> 03:03:01,840
Okay.

1872
03:03:02,720 --> 03:03:04,500
So any other supervisor here?

1873
03:03:04,580 --> 03:03:05,900
Supervisor Donor or Teeth Light?

1874
03:03:06,100 --> 03:03:06,520
Thank you.

1875
03:03:07,200 --> 03:03:08,820
Well, we're at the end of the year.

1876
03:03:09,520 --> 03:03:13,860
And I just want to say thank you to my associates on the board

1877
03:03:13,860 --> 03:03:16,980
here and my fellow supervisors for working together.

1878
03:03:16,980 --> 03:03:20,240
and as we go into 2024, I look forward to that.

1879
03:03:21,160 --> 03:03:28,760
I think we, you know, there's a lot going on this year, and I'm really glad that we've had the good meetings we've had.

1880
03:03:29,260 --> 03:03:33,980
I want to say that there's so many departments that have just really done gone beyond and above,

1881
03:03:34,120 --> 03:03:39,840
and we look where we were a year ago as we were going into these storms that we didn't have any idea what we were faced with.

1882
03:03:40,080 --> 03:03:46,440
We really can say that the public works team really shined, and I really want to call them out for all the hard work they did.

1883
03:03:46,440 --> 03:03:52,700
And I think that even, you know, at the airport this year, we have now served over 600,000

1884
03:03:52,700 --> 03:03:56,240
people, which is nearly 100,000 more than we had last year.

1885
03:03:56,800 --> 03:04:04,060
And so we are really seeing our airport staff and our visit so-cow people do a really good

1886
03:04:04,060 --> 03:04:06,360
job at trying to get visitors here.

1887
03:04:06,760 --> 03:04:11,560
And tomorrow morning, I want to announce you've seen it in the paper, the inaugural flight

1888
03:04:11,560 --> 03:04:12,280
to Las Vegas.

1889
03:04:12,280 --> 03:04:41,860
And so everybody come out because the flight leaves at 8.30 tomorrow morning, and they're heading to Las Vegas, and just in time for Thursday night football, I think it's at any rate, yeah, and then the return flights, I think tomorrow evening if I'm not mistaken, so it's a pretty big accomplishment for this little airport to have as much business as they have going on, and then lastly, as we go into 2024, I would like to call for a subcommittee meeting for

1890
03:04:41,860 --> 03:04:46,600
the offshore wind subcommittee, and I'm hoping that we can do that sooner than later, because

1891
03:04:46,600 --> 03:04:49,640
we really like to get going on some of the opportunities there for us.

1892
03:04:50,040 --> 03:04:51,720
So, I don't think that's a-

1893
03:04:51,720 --> 03:04:52,340
No, that's right.

1894
03:04:52,720 --> 03:04:52,820
Yeah.

1895
03:04:53,320 --> 03:04:53,920
Thank you.

1896
03:04:54,100 --> 03:04:54,380
Thank you.

1897
03:04:54,640 --> 03:04:56,360
Just a pointed message to the chair.

1898
03:04:56,880 --> 03:04:58,220
I'll second all of the-

1899
03:05:09,980 --> 03:05:29,120
Thank you very much, everybody, everybody above and wish everyone the warmest of holiday seasons surrounded by the love of friends and

1900
03:05:29,120 --> 03:05:34,020
And thank Wendy and Austin for all they do for echo, and the echo homeless shelter.

1901
03:05:34,200 --> 03:05:39,300
And you heard it earlier, the 184 families and people have been placed in permanent housing.

1902
03:05:39,340 --> 03:05:44,560
That's an incredible number, so I want to thank them for all they do on a day-to-day basis.

1903
03:05:44,600 --> 03:05:48,940
There's a really, really difficult job they do with grace and honor.

1904
03:05:49,220 --> 03:05:51,100
And we appreciate all you do for the community.

1905
03:05:51,740 --> 03:05:53,160
So with that, Mr. Paul thing.

1906
03:05:53,240 --> 03:05:58,760
Chair, just one final comment, I just want to say thank you for all of your work as the chair of our board.

1907
03:05:58,760 --> 03:06:03,460
and doing a great job this year and then to the whole board and to staff what a pleasure it has

1908
03:06:03,460 --> 03:06:07,080
been as the most junior member of the board to serve with you all for this year.

1909
03:06:07,340 --> 03:06:08,860
All right, Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays.

1910
03:06:08,880 --> 03:06:16,460
And with that, our next meeting will be January 9th at 9 a.m., and so I appreciate everybody and

1911
03:06:16,460 --> 03:06:17,700
have a great holiday.