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And I'm going to call the planning commission meeting of February 26, 2026, to order. Click, may I have a roll call please? Yes, good morning.

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Commissioner Wyatt? Here, Commissioner Vicana? Here. Commissioner Shaw? Here, Commissioner Avlett? Here. And Charlie Berman? Here.

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At this time, I'd ask that we all rise for the flag salute, please.

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to the Republic, for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice are all.

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Thank you.

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I don't know if I've ever had this many people during my 10 years of planning commissioner in the audience.

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I'd like to just remind us all of protocols and public participation guidelines before we begin the process.

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As speakers are asked to address the commission as a whole, not individual commissioners, so please direct all comments to the commission.

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Please direct all comments actually to me, but on behalf of the commission, so don't throw anything at me if you're going to throw anything, throw five things.

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Personal attacks, disruptive behavior, or comments outside the scope of the item are not permitted.

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For each hearing item staff will present first, followed by the applicant or agent presentation.

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Public comment will then be taken.

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After public comment is closed, commissioners may ask questions of staff, or the applicant will deliberate before taking action.

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Individual speakers are limited to three minutes, organized groups, so a group representing a single item are limited to five minutes, applicant or agent presentations are limited to 12 minutes, unless otherwise noted, we appreciate everyone's cooperation, we appreciate everyone's participation and game on, let's start this meeting.

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The first thing is public comment for items that are not on the agenda.

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I have one speaker slip from Greg Grohl, if you'd like to come forward.

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If you would like to pull public comment slips there in the back or on the side, you can hand them to the clerk.

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Thank you, good morning, Greg.

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Thank you very much, my name is Greg Gray-Wall, I live in the Creston area.

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And I just wanted to introduce myself to the board because I haven't been down here since this board has been put together.

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I'll be speaking later on item number four, and I have lived up in that area on my ranch for 24 years.

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I'm a retired LA city fireman at 30 years.

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I've been on every advisory committee and board that deals with the water resources over the Paso Basin.

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I was a supervisor Arnold's representative for eight years, and I represent the cattleman's association of slow on property rights.

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and water rights. So, thank you very much.

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Any other public comment for items that are not on the agenda today?

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All right.

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All last staff to provide updates regarding future planning, commission dates,

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upcoming proposals, and actions taken at recent Board of Supervisors meetings,

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as well as any other items of commission business.

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Good morning, Chair Lieberman and commissioners, Eric Hughes.

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There is a manager of current planning here to provide the commission with an update on

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recent Board of Supervisor Actions of Commission Interest and a preview of your upcoming schedule.

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But before I get started on that, I did just want to remind the public and the applicants that

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there is an active fishing campaign impersonating county planning department and planning

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commission personnel where they are requesting payment of approval fees via a wire transfer.

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Just please remember the county does not request wire payments. Any official emails will come

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from a county email address, which is at CO.solo.ca.us. If you do receive a message like that,

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please do not send funds. Instead, you can forward the email to planning staff and we can forward

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it onto the district attorney, or you can send it directly to Eric Vitale in the district attorney's

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office at e-vitali at co.solo.ca.us and just to confirm Eric Vitali's last name is

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e and then v-i-t-a-l-e. So that's e-vitali at co.solo.ca.us. With that, I'm going to move on

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as far as board updates. There are no board updates since the last meeting. And then moving

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Moving on to your upcoming schedule.

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The next regularly scheduled planning commission meeting is March 12th.

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We have three items on that day.

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The first is a continued hearing from January 22nd, 2026 to consider a request by Bonair

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Investments for a minor use permit, also development permit, CDRC 2023-0032, and Vesting

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tentative parcel map to construct an operated 12-unit hotel.

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The proposed project is located at 1319, Van Buren Drive, in the community of Los

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Osos and the commercial retail land use category within the Estero Planning Area in Coastal

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Zone.

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The next is a hearing to consider a request by APC Towers for conditional use permit to

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allow the construction of a telecommunications and public utility facility.

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Project is located in the residential rural land use category, located at 1389, Don Road,

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within the South County sub-area of the South County planning area.

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Third item is a hearing to consider request by Dirk Winner for a conditional use permit to allow construction of a six unit hotel, known as the temple to the hotel.

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It's a vacant property located on the east side of North Main Street, North Main Street, between Creekside Ranch and River Run Road, approximately 0.4 miles south of Highway 101.

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One, the project is located in the unincorporated community of Templeton within the commercial retail land use category.

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That is it for March 12th, and then I'll just preview of March 26th.

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We have two items scheduled, the first is a request by Buona for

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Tuna, LLC, for our variants to allow for a 1,199 square foot two store single family residents and

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an attached accessory dwelling unit and other infrastructure associated with the residents.

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The project is in the resident single-family land use category located at 2720 Richard Avenue in the community of Cayucos.

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Second item is a hearing to consider requests by Santa Margarita Ranch, LLC for a vesting tentative track to subdivide an existing eight acre parcel into six parcels for the purpose of sale and development.

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And this project is located in the residential suburban land use category located at 2, 2, 9, 3, 7 I street in Santa Margarita.

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That concludes staff's updates and available for questions, thank you.

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Any questions to staff on the updates?

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Okay, any commission updates that you'd like to share.

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Okay, moving along, the next item will be our consent agenda from the meeting of January 8th.

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the commission have any discussion or items you'd like to pull for separate consideration?

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I'll move to approve the consent agenda.

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I'd like to see if there's any interest in public comment before we do that, would anyone like to address us on the consent agenda?

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I'll move to approve.

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Mr. Chairman.

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Commissioner Vickana?

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Commissioner Wyatt?

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Commissioner Avala?

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And Chair Lee Brumann?

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Yes.

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We're going to begin our hearings clerk.

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If you could introduce the next item, please.

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Our first hearing is a hearing to continue or excuse me,

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a hearing, a continued hearing from the January 22nd,

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2026, planning commission meeting to consider a request

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by David Crabtree for a phase tentative track map,

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Also known as Rivers Edge and conditional use permit to subdivide a 43.26 gross acre parcel into a cluster subdivision planned unit development consisting of 181 residential parcels of varying sizes, configurations and housing types, approximately 3.8 acres of commercial development to utility parcels and approximately 13 acres of park and open space for a total of 190 parcels along with various onsite.

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and offsite improvements.

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These are county file number N-SUV 2022-0047, track map 3207, and this is in Supervisorial District 1.

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Eric Hays planning and building, presenting this item.

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We have Senior Planner Eric Talley, and in support, we have Supervising Planner Shale Crew.

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and then also supporting myself, Eric Hughes, Deputy Director Mark Larue, and then we have Elizabeth Kavanaugh from Parks as well.

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Thank you.

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Good morning, commissioners. My name is Eric Talley, Senior Planner, Planning and Building.

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Before you was the continued item from the January 22nd, 2026 planning commission hearing.

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Again for David, Mr. David Crabtree, also known for Rivers Edge.

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This is a phase-vesting, tentative track map and conditional use permit, NSUB 2022-0047.

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The project overview is a phase-mixed use development on 43.26 acres.

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It consists of a total of 190 lots, which consists of 181 residential lots, varying housing

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types, including 10% de-restricted moderate income affordable housing.

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The project includes five open space recreation lots, approximately 12 to 13 acres, three

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utility lots, and one commercial lot of approximately four acres.

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The project also consists of the old Paso Airport Loop Trail, which will be public in nature,

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including various on- and off-site improvements.

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What you see before you is the current project description.

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This has not changed since the continued hearing.

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This is where we're located in the community of San Miguel

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on the east side of the Salinas River.

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We're located just off of North River Road on Indian Valley Road.

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parcel is zoned multiple use code, which is single residential single family and commercial service.

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But it's surrounded by agriculture.

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Agriculturely designated parcels.

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And to note, it is within the San Miguel URL.

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The parcel is currently vacant, except for a

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the dilapidated airplane hanger, this used to be an air field.

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phasing plan. As you can see here, it's divided up into four phases. The fourth phase on

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the southern end is the commercial parcel, and throughout, as you can see, is multiple housing

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types and lot sizes.

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This is the currently presented map that was revised since the previous planning commission hearing.

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Phase 1 is located toward the top of the screen against the Salinas River Bluff.

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and there's multiple open spaces, and there's three lots for wells, as you can see

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This is phase 1 and 2.

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Phase 1 includes 15 foot common area easements, which

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will primarily serve pedestrian access,

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and here is a zoomed-in view of the

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commercial lot or phase 4.

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This is conceptual elevation in housing types. There's more than this,

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but this is just to show as an example of what the developers proposing.

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This conceptual landscape

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plan on this landscape plan is the proposed conceptual old Paso airport loop trail shown in red.

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It will loop around the perimeter of the development. What you're seeing here is the

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trail as it is proposed along the bluff.

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The project resembles conceptual mixed use development for this site in the San Miguel

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Community Plan update from 2016.

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The San Miguel Community Plan update envisioned this type of development almost exactly as it

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shown here. These are examples and so we were able to find it consistent with the San

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Miguel Community Plan.

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Key environmental components that were analyzed are

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archaeological, biological, geological, soil contamination and traffic and transportation.

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All that was analyzed and the project was then found consistent with the San Miguel Community

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plan adopted EIR.

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This is a quick summary of the project revision since the January 22nd, 2026 planning commission hearing. Number one, the Indian Valley Road. Title 21 adjustment amended, what amendment was requested. Phase one, there was a reduction of six pocket village lots from 63 to 57, in addition of one zero lot line lot, so from 25 to 26. And so phase one now,

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Now includes 83 total lots before it was 88 and 115 foot pedestrian access easement

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has been reduced to 10 feet and another was eliminated.

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Phase no changes to Phase 2, Phase 3 elimination of small lots from 6 to 0 and a net reduction

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of one single family lot from 45 to 44 in addition of 12 pocket village lots so from 0 to 12.

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Phase 3 now includes 56 total lots whereas before it was 51. Total open space now is 13 acres before

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it was 12 and all this is reflective on the new map.

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And I'm just going to read this into the record.

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The amended title 21, adjustment request, the county code, section 21.03.0104a, improvement of streets, urban streets section A2D for Indian Valley Road to allow the modification of 8-foot paved shoulder to 2-foot paved shoulder, 12-foot continuous center lane, turn lane along entire frontage to 10-foot turn lanes at project entrances and with 5-foot sidewalk.

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staffs recommending to find the project consistent with the San Miguel Community Plan update certified EIR pursuant to the sequel guideline section 15183 in staffs recommending approval of the track map and conditional use permit and SUB 2022 0047 based on the findings listed in exhibit A and revised conditions listed in exhibit B and we are here for any questions you may have.

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Thank you for the presentation.

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Commissioner, is there any initial questions of staff?

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I just have a couple.

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I just wanted to take us back to the last hearing and remember what was reflected because

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we did require a certain number of ADUs, so that's now reflected.

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Okay, so what we will be approving that.

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And then I think we also wanted, we all agreed that the trail should be made within a certain

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amount of time.

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So that's in there now. Okay, and then the changes to all the lots are because of that left hand turn lane that, okay, so that's why, okay.

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Just one just taking us back to January. And I just want to we went over this for a long time. So just want to make sure that was all in there.

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We got a long letter last night just about water supply and wastewater treatment.

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Could you just give us a few words on why you recommend approval and why the water is sufficient by law?

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Sure, I can speak briefly and then probably turn it over to county council.

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We do have the San Miguel Community Services District issued.

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they're will serve letter, they did their due diligence in their research and

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issued the will serve letter accordingly.

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And I think we have Kelly Dobs here from the San Miguel CST to speak on that.

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And if Ben Doher, anything you would like to add to that?

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Real quick, Eric Hughes planning a building.

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I do just want to add that the San Miguel Community Plan Environmental Impact Report didn't anticipate development on this site.

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It did look at the water use accordingly with the San Miguel, you know, CSD, wastewater treatment, and the water use essentially was the future water use of the community as part of the community plan was analyzed.

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Again, this project is consistent with that proposed build out development.

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And therefore, you know, was already reviewed and from an environmental standpoint was determined not to have a significant impact.

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I think we're going to hear some public comment on this so I may save my comments on kind

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of the legal issues and specifically in terms of the 2019 decision that was referenced

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throughout the correspondence that we received until after public comment.

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I can comment on that in more detail at that point.

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Thank you.

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That was all I had.

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I have a question.

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Just follow up when Eric was talking about.

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How long ago was it established that this was the planning for this was going to be there

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was it two years ago, five years ago?

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20 years ago for the water?

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The community plan was in 2000, I think 2015 or 16.

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Thanks.

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Anyone to my right?

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One question at this point.

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We did have some comment about halting development

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after phase one if the wastewater treatment

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plant upgrades aren't completed.

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So I just wanted to make sure our conditional language

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reflects that intent.

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And that was our intent and the comments asked that question.

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So, do we have that adequately incorporated there?

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We do and I can pull that up if you give me a moment.

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Okay, okay, well, we'll get to other things while you do that.

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Just wanting to confirm that was the intent at the last meeting and we think is in there.

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Thanks.

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Okay, so staff will look that up.

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I'm going to invite the applicant or agent to come forward if you have any information to present.

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Good morning.

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Am I on?

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Okay.

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Good morning, commissioners.

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Pamela Jardini with planning solutions, and I'm representing the applicant, David Crap Tree.

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And we went over quite a bit of this at the last hearing.

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So I have a very short presentation, and then I'll answer some of the questions that came up.

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You can have to put it up just to show you these are the lots that were impacted by the widening

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of Indian Valley Road which we agreed with public works go ahead and widen it to their standard.

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So those were the lots that we lost and then this is the lot area that was changed.

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Do we remove these lots and replace them with the pocket village type of subdivision?

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So those lots, then we were able to take the pocket village subdivision lots that you saw

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that were removed and moved them over here. And then also we added two single family residences

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is off of G Street to accommodate the loss in lots and we added one zero lot line or common

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lot parcel two and that's why we had to lose one of the pedestrian accesses through this

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common lot parcels so that we had enough room to fit another lot in here. So those are the changes

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just so that you could visualize them.

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I have a couple other things.

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Regarding condition of approval 1A under public works,

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I did talk to J.R. and County Council

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just briefly this morning

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and there appeared to be okay with

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to add at the very end of the condition faced if possible.

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And so in other words, we would do possibly,

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believe this is not set phase so that Indian Valley Road is improved the commercial section

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and phase one when phase one goes in and then Indian Valley Road would be improved when phase three

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goes in and in phase one it would provide those left hand turn lanes into the commercial area even

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though it's not developed until phase four but it would provide the left hand turn lanes into phase one

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and phase two at that time. Also, along Indian Valley Road, the council and S wanted to continue

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the airport loop trail, so the development of Indian Valley Road per the public work standards

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does include in the loop trail along Indian Valley Road, so that is continued.

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And as far as halting phase one, I'm not positive, but I think I know what Commissioner

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Wyatt meant.

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So there were some concerns about the development of the San Miguel Community Service District's

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wastewater treatment plant, and that they have room for phase one, but phase two and three

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would be dependent upon their improvement there.

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And Kelly Dobbs is here today to speak on that.

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My understanding is that it is moving forward and that I believe what we ended up with was that was talked about as far as requesting the map to have additional extension should it be required.

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and I believe county council, I may hopefully state them correctly, that if the community service

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districts sewer plant isn't able to take it within our time frame, it's kind of considered

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a moratorium and that then our map would be continued because it'd be a moratorium.

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So it appears at this moment in time that the sewer treatment plant will be upgraded in

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time and we should be able to move forward as planned.

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And then as far as the water issue, I will leave that to county council and Kelly Dodds

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because they're the experts and not me.

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So and I'm here if you have any other questions.

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Thank you, any initial questions for the representative before we go to public comment?

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Sure.

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One more.

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Just something we, I don't, we call we discussed it our last hearing, but I did notice that

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roughly $3 million contribution toward the wastewater treatment plant upgrades were suggested

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by the regional board and the letter from Bishop.

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Is that ringing any bells or aligned with

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what the applicants are thinking? Maybe that's something from Mr. Dodds, too.

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I believe Mr. Dodds could address that, basically, as the lots get developed, they will have to pay fees into San Miguel Community Service District.

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And I just remembered one other thing.

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We talked about the intersection, and it is under condition 1J that we're just adding striping there.

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And that word striping was added to clarify that we had talked that we had left Indian Valley Road in that intersection to be

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Disgusted it today's hearing so both of those issues are resolved with public works.

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Okay, and you're saying one J is in there the way you want it or it needs some revision. No, it's in there stating with the striping

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So it's correct. Okay. Okay.

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I have a question so the three million dollars you're talking about is that above and beyond the connection fee?

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The standard connection fees are that you're saying the connection fees are going to total into $3 million.

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You know what, off the top of my head, I don't remember how that's stated.

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Do you have that, yeah, neither-

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I can try to pull up that letter fast.

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Sure, and see.

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So why don't we come back to that?

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And if there's no other questions of the representative, thank you.

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And we're going to move on to public comment.

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I have two speaker slips.

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If you'd like to comment on this item, this first hearing item, please fill out a slip and hand it to the clerk.

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The first speaker slip I have is Kelly Dodds.

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If you'd like to come forward with the Senate Gail CSD.

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Good morning, commissioners.

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My name is Kelly Dodds, I'm the general manager for the San Miguel Community Service District.

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And I was asked through an email from Mr. Tully to comment on the treatment plant.

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and the progress on that treatment plant in relation to this project.

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So as of right now, we are currently working on a final agreement with the state for funding for our treatment plant, thankfully, after 10 years we're finally getting there.

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The $44 million that's projected to be, that's the projected cost for that treatment plant is being funded in full through grant through the DFA.

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and we expect to have that within the next three to four months.

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Obviously, we can't guarantee you three to four months,

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but that's the projected timeline that we've been given.

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The as stated earlier, our current treatment plant can accommodate

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the capacity of the initial phase one homes.

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That will take us to roughly 60 to 70% on average,

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which in discussion with the water board is acceptable to them.

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Again, phase two and three would not be accepted into our system

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until the treatment plant is expanded.

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And that also has been negotiated and worked out with the water board.

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So the letter that Miss White has is most likely referring to that.

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If we receive our grant agreement by June or July of this year,

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We'll be immediately going out to bid for that project and

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Assuming that we award a contract within the 3rd or 4th quarter of this year

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We anticipate being able to complete the project by the middle or end of 2028.

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There's a lot of different parts to that treatment plant, so not all of them are related to treatment. Some of them are just reconstruction of the existing plant. So actual capacity could be available in advance of that, but that's the total of our expected timeline.

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The other question I was asked was basically whether what would happen if we do

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not receive the grant agreement for the grant. If for some reason our grant is denied which is

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unlikely at this point but still is a possibility. The treatment plant would not move forward as it is.

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We would be seeking alternate funding. The district does have funds to do to perform part of the work

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but not all of the work. So it would be a decision at that time whether we would wait for a

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additional grant funding or pursue some sort of loan funding.

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It is a project that does have to move forward in a timely fashion, but the community does

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not have the funds for a $44 million loan at the moment.

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So we are working diligently with the state to receive that grant funding that was approved

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through their use plan, and again, that should be approved by the end of June.

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And

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I think that answers most of the questions or all the questions that I was asked in regard

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to the $3 million this way it brought up, I believe that those are connection fees.

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I don't recall an agreement for an additional contribution.

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So as all development within our district, they all pay into the water and sewer systems

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through connection fees. I believe that the connection fees for this project for the wastewater side are roughly $3 million.

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They do get adjusted annually, so it may be slightly more than that by the time it's done.

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But that was a discussion that we had had with the water board on whether those fees could be applied to the treatment plant in which case they would be in the for our case.

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Just following up on that, I did pull up the letter for Mr. Bishop at the Central Coast Water Board, and indeed he is suggesting that's roughly 3 million in connection fees, which I hear you confirming would be your rough guess right now of what those may look like.

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Yes, that's correct. Thank you. And so unless you have any other questions, that was all ahead for you.

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I have one. Well, it's not a question, but I just want to say I'm thrilled to hear that one looks

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like it's coming through. We understood the need for this and at the recent permitting hearing,

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and so thrilled to hear the money may be behind it. Yes, we were very excited to finally get to this

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point. So, that is my question. If the grant doesn't come through the plan is to get

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a loan, but you don't anticipate the loan being approved, so your ways out from having

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your facility upgraded at that point. I mean, there's no rules. The backup plans

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the loan but there's really no shot at probably getting a loan so they're your ways out.

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So yes and no so the loan would be a significant burden for the community. It is a project.

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This expansion is something that has to occur so it would happen in the near future

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regardless of whether it's grant funded or loan funded. Our goal is to be able to grant fund it

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But as stated numerous times, but we do have the ability to secure a loan and getting

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the loan itself would not be a problem.

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It would be what that cost actually translates to as far as what our consumers are paying.

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So it is a possibility, but it is, and we are working on that angle, but we are not going

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to heavily pursue that until we know for sure that that is our only option.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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We may call on you when we get to deliberations.

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I will be here.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Next speaker is Greg Graywell.

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Thank you, board commissioners.

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My name is Greg Graywell.

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This is the Paso Basin Groundwater Sustainability Plan.

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This is one of eight annual reports that's already been done at $100,000 a pop.

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There's one underway right now for this year that we just passed.

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This project is inconsistent with both of these.

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Inconsistent in the fact that looking back at 2016 community plan,

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the GSA's and the groundwater sustainability work didn't start till 2017.

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And Sam Miguel is a GSA and was part of that group so they know what's in this plan.

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I'm going to go to a legal document, it's a court order.

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So, in September of 2018, we had a 14 day trial in the state of California.

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First jury trial on a groundwater issue.

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After that trial, it was found that one of three periods of time that the defendants were granted a certain amount of groundwater from the Pasal Basin.

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Six months after that was a quantification hearing, that quantification gave them the amounts that they were allowed to draw from the basin if the basin does not have surplus water and the priority right goes to the other landowners in the unincorporated area.

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Three months after the quantification trial was this corridor that was signed in June of 2019, which gives San Miguel 177 acre feet of water if there is no surplus water.

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The groups known as the GSAs, the county being part of that group, is saying that the base and is overdraft.

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And by saying that means there's no surplus water.

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The main thing in this groundwater plan that everybody agreed to do, that the state approved, is to reduce pumping.

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How do you approve a plan to expand pumping?

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And tell the priority right owners that live over the land that they have to stop doing something but you can build a community.

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That's unacceptable, so it doesn't meet any of the requirements with SIGMA, and this needs to be put on hold until the so many other things are done to where it's ready to move forward.

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I have nothing against what the pictures look like other than they don't have the water.

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Sam Miguel is 100% dependent on basin water.

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These wells are over the basin.

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They need to find a supplemental source, a deal with Nazi menor or something else because

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they do not have water to grow.

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They handcuffed themselves when they filed prescription against the landowners and lost.

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The more current times the court found there was no problem.

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So if they're going to agree that there's a problem in the basin, they're going to take taxpayer

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They're grant dollars to claim that they need that grant money because there's a problem in the basin.

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They can't later on say, well, there's no problem now, we want to build this project.

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And thank you for the taxpayers grant money, but we're going to go forward until they create another problem.

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There's been over 400 shallow wells replaced in the basin because of problems.

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Thank you very much.

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If

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you could fill out a speaker slip and hand it to the clerk, please.

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I think, I

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think I can read your writing.

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I'd like to call Phil Kegliero,

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please sir, we have other public comment, thank you.

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Good morning.

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Good morning.

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My name is Phil Kegliero.

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I live on Bender King and Road, which Indian Valley feeds into, so I'm just a few miles down

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the road.

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And I also, in property, probably within less than a quarter mile of this project has a crow

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flies anyway. I think my biggest overall issue with it is just the sheer size of it.

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Don't hold me to these numbers, but it's got to be a 20% bump in Samuel's population

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in one project. Samuel CSD has been underserving the community and the community has been suffering

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for years as it is. They do not have enough water storage per resident. I know several houses

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personally that have had to add booster pumps to their house because the water pressure is so

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low provided by the CST that don't have enough water pressure. So if we're going to get a grant

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to solve these problems, why don't we see if we get the grant before we even look at a new

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project of any size? Because this just seems like a crazy size to add to a community that's already

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been suffering under these conditions. I mean there's tons of traffic as a huge impact. There's a

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on both sides of all the entrance to this, so it seems like a dangerous spot to put minimum 360 new cars to per residents.

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Water sewer, I mean, Greg just touched on a bunch of those topics as well, emergency services, I think is another issue.

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But I just think mainly, you know, if it was a 30 home subdivision, sounds good. No problem. I think we could handle that.

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182, I think it's really irresponsible, and especially before any grant.

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Well, whether it's grant money or before any sewer and water projects are upgraded.

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They should be upgraded first, so thank you.

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Thank you, sir.

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John, Kaguyo.

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Good morning, thank you for having me.

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I'm a farmer, I'm kind of representing to myself, and then I also farm the Tantial Panky Ranch,

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which borders the property on three sides.

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So it's below the river, the backside and on the upper side.

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The road, they ask me to speak for them.

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They already have a problem with trespassing, garbage,

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everything else is dumped on their property constantly.

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And the river, the trail system they're talking about,

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it really doesn't exist yet.

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All the trails are on their property that are illegal trails,

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00:41:25,170 --> 00:41:29,030
trespassing trails, so how is that going to be addressed?

435
00:41:29,510 --> 00:41:36,510
And and prevented from being on their property and then the garbage and everything else that comes along with it.

436
00:41:36,610 --> 00:41:57,790
I mean, we've literally hauled up dump trailers of garbage that, you know, sofas and refrigerators and everything else that gets dumped, you know, but some of the other key problems, you know, are water, you know, there's a more torium in this county, we're not allowed to expand our farming operations because of the water that's restricted.

437
00:41:58,390 --> 00:42:01,310
And the wells that were drilled on this property have never been used.

438
00:42:01,310 --> 00:42:05,930
There was a domestic well, I've been, I'm four generations, so I've been here a long time.

439
00:42:06,590 --> 00:42:08,610
And I've farm the tan hill property for 30 years.

440
00:42:10,790 --> 00:42:12,410
None of that is established water.

441
00:42:12,590 --> 00:42:16,390
There was a domestic well that would be the only thing that would be called established water there.

442
00:42:17,510 --> 00:42:24,370
And like you said, we had other projects, we have some other projects that I know of and

443
00:42:24,370 --> 00:42:32,130
that have been denied are quit basically, there was a 33-38 subdivision on Magdalena.

444
00:42:32,810 --> 00:42:39,130
Well that was required to put a 500,000 gallon storage tank on that to do those 38 homes.

445
00:42:39,770 --> 00:42:45,350
How is the expansion of water services for this project?

446
00:42:45,530 --> 00:42:47,210
Is there extra storage put into place?

447
00:42:47,850 --> 00:42:50,830
You know, there were underserved at that project.

448
00:42:50,830 --> 00:42:55,650
So how have a sudden now, with an additional 20% population,

449
00:42:55,930 --> 00:42:57,530
are we covering the water?

450
00:42:58,390 --> 00:43:00,750
And then, you know, sewer is underserved, too.

451
00:43:00,950 --> 00:43:02,610
You know, as has been talked about.

452
00:43:03,730 --> 00:43:05,630
And then, you know, traffic is another thing.

453
00:43:05,770 --> 00:43:07,990
You know, we have a lot of heavy duty farm equipment

454
00:43:07,990 --> 00:43:09,070
going up and down that road.

455
00:43:09,490 --> 00:43:10,450
It's a blind hump.

456
00:43:10,870 --> 00:43:12,170
It's a very difficult corner.

457
00:43:12,570 --> 00:43:14,450
We constantly have trouble with traffic there

458
00:43:14,450 --> 00:43:16,690
as it is with farming equipment.

459
00:43:16,690 --> 00:43:23,670
and so forth, and even though farm equipment has a right away, that doesn't mean that city folks understand it, you know.

460
00:43:25,070 --> 00:43:34,610
But like I said, it's an awful big chunk to put into a completely rule surrounded by a culture area, you know.

461
00:43:35,250 --> 00:43:44,390
I think, and it's difficult getting supplies across that, you know, we have 12 psi up on the bluffs of water pressure now.

462
00:43:45,290 --> 00:43:48,630
So it's under served pressure, like you said, you have to have booster pumps.

463
00:43:49,190 --> 00:43:51,530
How's that, what does the resolve to all those problems?

464
00:43:51,890 --> 00:43:52,430
Thank you for your time.

465
00:43:55,180 --> 00:43:55,580
Thank you, sir.

466
00:43:56,720 --> 00:44:00,400
Okay, next speaker slip is Marie Pal, if you can afford, please.

467
00:44:13,050 --> 00:44:22,110
I'm actually a temple resident, but I also own a property, a residence in the Paso Basin, in a small hollow area.

468
00:44:22,470 --> 00:44:24,790
And I'm a Paso Basin well owner.

469
00:44:24,790 --> 00:44:47,310
So a couple things, one is, I didn't see, and it might be in there, there was a late legal letter that was submitted late last night from the law firm in President of this representing a couple of neighboring property owners, so I just want to make sure that's on the record.

470
00:44:48,250 --> 00:44:53,590
So real quick, Ms. Wyatt mentioned these water board letters.

471
00:44:53,970 --> 00:44:56,010
Those letters are outdated.

472
00:44:56,490 --> 00:44:59,950
They were done in April and May of 2020.

473
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:27,980
In 2024, I called the felt Mr. Bishop who had done those two days ago. He was no longer involved. They got me to the current board member that's handling the water board rep. And I had a great conversation with her. Basically, if you look at that letter, you'll see it talks about a $30 million cost, this part of the outdating. And now it's $44.

474
00:45:27,980 --> 00:45:55,740
And there's other issues but that letter also if everybody saw it and what I pass out to everybody it's they're copied in that package is recommending they recommended the phase one to go forward, but they also recommended that the commission not approve this project at this time because of the same issues with the sewage and so forth.

475
00:45:55,740 --> 00:45:57,500
So, that's one issue.

476
00:45:58,020 --> 00:46:01,500
The other one is, I can't believe that a current

477
00:46:01,500 --> 00:46:05,500
CEQA environmental study was not done.

478
00:46:06,140 --> 00:46:10,540
The county's, we're lying on guideline,

479
00:46:11,180 --> 00:46:13,880
CEQA guideline 15183.

480
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:20,980
15183 is only good if there hasn't been any significant changes.

481
00:46:20,980 --> 00:46:34,760
and the county is reliant on the 2016 community plan and it's EIR that was done probably before 2016 as to being supporting.

482
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:48,900
And that plan, and I haven't seen the EIR I've searched for but I haven't found it, but I assume that they did not anticipate one is the court order, the 2019 court order.

483
00:46:48,900 --> 00:47:00,600
And secondly, all of the regulations that are now involved with this pastoral base and groundwater pumping through the DWR, the state, and sigma.

484
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:11,980
So I believe that the county's position and not doing a current EIR is invalid and needs to be done.

485
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,020
I'm really shocked that it hasn't been done.

486
00:47:15,020 --> 00:47:28,980
So the other issue I want to mention is on the limit, the court order limit, the limit is 177 acre feet a year for the entire San Miguel district.

487
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:36,780
The records show, their own reporting records show, from 2020, the order was in 2019.

488
00:47:36,780 --> 00:47:47,880
So, from 2020 to 2025, they've been delivering through their potable water system between 260 and 300 acre feet.

489
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:56,000
And because of the base and sigma actions, it triggered that court order.

490
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,840
So they have been in violation since 2020.

491
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:15,300
And what bottom line is there's no water available in accordance with that order for this project and also, you know, the county claims they followed, they followed the plan.

492
00:48:15,500 --> 00:48:25,200
If you go through that plan from 2016, you will see recommendations about needing to get supplemental water sources and so on.

493
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:34,380
So they've been around for 9-10 years and they basically have done nothing, nothing to resolve these sorts of problems.

494
00:48:34,780 --> 00:48:36,180
So thank you for your time.

495
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:37,320
Thank you, Mr. Pell.

496
00:48:39,710 --> 00:48:45,050
Are there any other folks interested in speaking on a item that haven't turned to speaker slip in yet?

497
00:48:46,410 --> 00:48:50,970
All right, seeing none, I'm going to close public comment.

498
00:48:53,210 --> 00:49:03,490
Yes, staff, if you have any responses to any of the public comment, I assume County Council will weigh in on this 2019 matter, do you want to comment?

499
00:49:10,420 --> 00:49:18,760
Please, big favor, can you come forward to the podium, lectern, and then fill out a speaker slip, you pick.

500
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,160
Okay, I just was listening just for fun.

501
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:29,780
They went to your name for the record, please.

502
00:49:29,860 --> 00:49:30,680
Amber, it's called.

503
00:49:31,180 --> 00:49:31,440
Thank you.

504
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:37,780
Hi, would there be a balancing of the money going out to the person that's wanting the

505
00:49:37,780 --> 00:49:42,520
property to build this thing, that some of the money be allotted to help this infrastructure

506
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:46,040
of these people that are complaining about the right to balance it out.

507
00:49:46,100 --> 00:49:46,600
That's a lot of money.

508
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,260
I just want to all go to their property or if they could help the community as well.

509
00:49:50,500 --> 00:49:52,700
I mean, I know there's no brainer question, but I just thought I didn't hear it.

510
00:49:52,700 --> 00:49:54,440
come up so I thought I'd ask.

511
00:49:55,600 --> 00:50:00,600
Great. We'll get staff to respond to that if you just fill out your slip and thank you so much for coming forward.

512
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:01,280
Where's the slip?

513
00:50:02,500 --> 00:50:05,140
All right. I'm closing, closing, public comment.

514
00:50:05,780 --> 00:50:07,720
Okay. Staff, I'm sorry.

515
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:08,500
You had to pull both of them.

516
00:50:08,740 --> 00:50:11,180
For staff, could we, it came up twice.

517
00:50:11,780 --> 00:50:15,560
So maybe touch upon the supplemental water that was talked about.

518
00:50:16,740 --> 00:50:17,800
Is that's probably going to be?

519
00:50:17,940 --> 00:50:18,960
Yeah. Yeah, 2018.

520
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:20,900
Yes, you

521
00:50:26,180 --> 00:50:26,540
promised.

522
00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:28,000
I will start it off here.

523
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:29,420
So, Bendoarth County Council.

524
00:50:30,540 --> 00:50:37,060
So, I will start off by addressing the 2019 court order that we've heard reference to.

525
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:45,540
And so, I was not involved in that litigation, but another attorney in my office was and was intimately involved in the litigation.

526
00:50:45,540 --> 00:50:51,400
And really, what the 2019 order was, it was not a full adjudication of the basin.

527
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:59,140
It was limited to the parties that were involved, and it defined their rights at a specific time in history.

528
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:09,680
So it was a snapshot in time that said, at this point, the parties have established the historical use at this level, and

529
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:11,000
they have the right to use to do that.

530
00:51:11,100 --> 00:51:14,680
But it doesn't really go beyond just that limited snapshot.

531
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:19,340
It didn't move on to another phase, which would be a full adjudication of the basin,

532
00:51:19,720 --> 00:51:25,560
which would define all the user's rights and actually place limitations on each individual

533
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,140
user's ability to draw water from the basin.

534
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,660
So that wasn't part of this litigation.

535
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:42,040
So it really doesn't have much of an impact on kind of the CSD's right to draw water from

536
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:45,180
the base at this point, and

537
00:51:48,450 --> 00:51:50,770
that's kind of, I think that's the extent of my comments,

538
00:51:50,910 --> 00:51:57,190
but really the import of that case is not what I think we've referred today in public comment.

539
00:52:01,370 --> 00:52:10,190
Okay, he says me first here. So following up, that would suggest then that we don't need to know

540
00:52:10,190 --> 00:52:16,470
that current use, I mean that that litigation wouldn't require current use to be maintained at

541
00:52:16,470 --> 00:52:23,010
170. That's correct. That's correct. Whatever it is now isn't governed by that agreement.

542
00:52:23,130 --> 00:52:31,230
No, that's been characterized. Correct. Okay. And then what about kind of tying in the

543
00:52:31,230 --> 00:52:38,810
questions that are kind of mixed in and related as far as the 2016 sort of environmental review

544
00:52:38,810 --> 00:52:44,450
that was done as part of the community plan and how that's relevant to us in this current day versus

545
00:52:44,450 --> 00:52:45,890
is not sure. Good enough.

546
00:52:46,090 --> 00:52:50,890
Yeah, sure. And so the comments that we heard were that I would characterize the comments

547
00:52:50,890 --> 00:52:56,030
as not necessarily changes to the environment, but changes to the regulatory framework.

548
00:52:56,030 --> 00:53:04,570
So since 2016, we've seen sigma and the GSA, GSP, ground water sustainability plan come

549
00:53:04,570 --> 00:53:11,090
online, and those have changed how the basin is managed. They haven't necessarily changed

550
00:53:11,090 --> 00:53:14,570
the underlying condition of the basin.

551
00:53:15,910 --> 00:53:20,890
So I think in 2016, the EIR study,

552
00:53:21,190 --> 00:53:25,690
the condition of the basin identified where it was from an environmental perspective.

553
00:53:25,890 --> 00:53:30,850
So the question is, has that changed to the point that today would trigger,

554
00:53:31,150 --> 00:53:36,030
has it changed the significant amount that would trigger the need to do a supplemental EIR?

555
00:53:36,490 --> 00:53:38,770
So that's kind of the question today.

556
00:53:38,770 --> 00:53:44,830
and obviously planning staff did that evaluation and decided that no, it did not, there were no

557
00:53:44,830 --> 00:53:50,590
new significant environmental impacts that were not examined in 2016 that would trigger the need

558
00:53:50,590 --> 00:53:55,810
to do a supplemental EIR. Okay, because I'm hearing a clear distinction between environmental

559
00:53:55,810 --> 00:54:03,610
condition and sort of regulatory framework and the change in regulatory framework wouldn't necessarily

560
00:54:03,610 --> 00:54:06,010
necessarily a trigger that needs to do a supplementally IR.

561
00:54:07,590 --> 00:54:13,870
And then just in terms of the ground water sustainability agencies and the ground water

562
00:54:13,870 --> 00:54:18,950
sustainability plan, at this point they are just in the very early stages of actually

563
00:54:18,950 --> 00:54:24,210
adopting implementation measures to try to bring the basin into balance and at this point

564
00:54:24,210 --> 00:54:30,850
those measures are voluntary and they're trying to seek voluntary compliance from underlying

565
00:54:30,850 --> 00:54:33,430
and users to kind of bring the basin into balance.

566
00:54:33,650 --> 00:54:38,290
So there aren't any, they're not forcing people to reduce pumping at this point.

567
00:54:40,210 --> 00:54:44,490
So I guess my point is at this point, I wouldn't say that the groundwater sustainability

568
00:54:44,490 --> 00:54:50,470
agencies, the groundwater sustainability plan really has much of an impact on San Miguel's

569
00:54:50,470 --> 00:54:52,010
ability to continue to pump water.

570
00:54:52,010 --> 00:54:59,990
Even if we could reasonably foresee some kind of upcoming requirements to reduce.

571
00:55:00,850 --> 00:55:07,310
I mean, at this point, because there are none, we don't need to take that in the consideration.

572
00:55:07,870 --> 00:55:13,810
Even though it is a reasonable expectation that that's coming, as I believe.

573
00:55:13,830 --> 00:55:20,430
I mean, there's no concrete information out there that that is going to be happening,

574
00:55:20,430 --> 00:55:23,410
or what that might look like if it were put into place.

575
00:55:24,090 --> 00:55:30,970
So I don't think we have, I don't think there's sufficient information at this point for you to take that into consideration and making the decision on that.

576
00:55:31,430 --> 00:55:32,850
Thank you, that's it for me.

577
00:55:35,510 --> 00:55:37,710
So I guess I'm going to expand a little bit more on that.

578
00:55:37,890 --> 00:55:45,110
So that 2019 decision, that was just a quiet title just basically gave the prescribed rights that who has the right to the water.

579
00:55:45,110 --> 00:55:49,530
Those numbers that were referred to, that was not adjudicated.

580
00:55:49,690 --> 00:55:53,150
So those numbers don't actually apply to that decision.

581
00:55:53,610 --> 00:55:57,130
Yes, so that's a good way of, it's, yeah, it's a quiet title action.

582
00:55:57,310 --> 00:56:05,130
And it said that at this point in time, these numbers are represented what those various entities use was.

583
00:56:05,310 --> 00:56:11,570
And what they, they've established the right to use that, that, those, that number of acre feet at that, at that point of time.

584
00:56:11,570 --> 00:56:15,490
But it didn't say that they are limited to that use going forward.

585
00:56:15,790 --> 00:56:22,190
But those numbers are relevant if the water is found insufficient at some point in the future.

586
00:56:22,490 --> 00:56:26,670
Those numbers could theoretically come into play, is that correct?

587
00:56:27,170 --> 00:56:27,630
No.

588
00:56:27,910 --> 00:56:28,050
No.

589
00:56:28,690 --> 00:56:29,950
So that would still have to be adjudicated?

590
00:56:30,230 --> 00:56:30,370
Yes.

591
00:56:30,790 --> 00:56:30,970
Okay.

592
00:56:31,270 --> 00:56:34,030
So those were just the numbers that you used to give the prescribed rates?

593
00:56:34,270 --> 00:56:34,390
Yes.

594
00:56:34,850 --> 00:56:34,990
Okay.

595
00:56:36,850 --> 00:56:41,550
Is there, what point is there, is there some sort of a trigger if that it would end up

596
00:56:41,550 --> 00:56:42,810
going back to the adjudication, I guess.

597
00:56:43,670 --> 00:56:48,550
There would be, yeah, I think there would be, there would need to be additional litigation

598
00:56:48,550 --> 00:56:49,870
to do that.

599
00:56:50,050 --> 00:56:54,790
And at this point, where we have the groundwater-society of the early agencies that have taken over

600
00:56:54,790 --> 00:57:01,050
management of the basin, I would anticipate that that would be the mechanism that the

601
00:57:01,050 --> 00:57:05,210
basin would be managed versus through litigation, but that's just kind of speculation on my point.

602
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:21,380
So that's what that's the county's opinion and what they took from that so there is no supplemental water they never they never track that down or try to locate because their view is there's enough water.

603
00:57:21,900 --> 00:57:29,720
Is that correct? I'm not I don't have the actual information on that but that is my understanding that there is no supplemental water.

604
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:30,300
Thank

605
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:34,480
you, staff.

606
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:35,020
I'm sorry.

607
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:36,780
There's more question.

608
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:38,620
And we can come back to what I just want to get.

609
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,720
It's probably for the applicant if there's any.

610
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:43,080
Is there recycled water?

611
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,280
And on this is for the landscaping things like that.

612
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:49,320
I don't know if CSD has that available.

613
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:54,680
Hi, Pamela Jardini again with answering your question.

614
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:57,240
Obviously,

615
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:18,580
The San Miguel Community Service District issued us a will sort of letter for water and waste water, and that those letters would not be issued if they hadn't gone, gone through their county council and made sure that there is water available for the project and waste water available for the project.

616
00:58:18,580 --> 00:58:26,640
Again, the waste water, the $44 million grant is, as you heard from Kelly Dobs, moving forward,

617
00:58:27,020 --> 00:58:36,080
we will be adding to the contribution per connection fees every time a lot has developed

618
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:42,260
to the young ladies' comment about, you know, a developer's contribution.

619
00:58:42,260 --> 00:58:44,460
They pay for water and sewer usage.

620
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:54,200
there is water available for this project and the CCSD, or

621
00:58:54,200 --> 00:59:01,120
San Miguel SM, CSD would not be able to provide a will serve letter if there wasn't water available.

622
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:08,660
Okay, but there's no recycled water planned at this time for use of the landscape.

623
00:59:08,660 --> 00:59:28,240
I know that per the county's land use ordinance that the like open space areas that are going to be would be probably recycled water people try to use recycled water or limit their landscaping around their homes per the ordinance at the county's land use ordinance.

624
00:59:28,860 --> 00:59:30,940
And so those would be implemented that way.

625
00:59:30,940 --> 00:59:31,840
I

626
00:59:36,100 --> 00:59:54,800
just want to follow up also on one of the public comments about trails and just the fact that what if people don't stick to the trail or they're dumping trash or what's going on now, I mean, who would be in this maybe you or staff, who would be the proper authorities to be in charge of that?

627
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:59,540
The loop trail is open to the public.

628
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:29,980
As a requirement of the community plan, and the loop trail is totally on our property. It does not extend off our property. Elizabeth Kavanaugh could answer the question if it's supposed to be connected. But I believe she said that the trail, the basic trail was on the other side of the river. So, the maintenance, if it would probably fall.

629
01:00:29,980 --> 01:00:36,460
all on the right property owners nearby, I mean, it is a little bit disconnected from

630
01:00:36,460 --> 01:00:41,900
the community. My guess is most of the people who live in the subdivision would be the

631
01:00:41,900 --> 01:00:48,340
ones using it, since there's not a pedestrian trail across the North River Bridge to connect

632
01:00:48,340 --> 01:00:48,840
the two.

633
01:00:49,460 --> 01:00:54,400
Okay. All right, thank you. And I don't know if staff can weigh in, but when we heard this

634
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:59,620
issue with trails and people, trust me. I mean, who's the proper person to call? I've been

635
01:00:59,620 --> 01:01:02,700
I just don't know when, who's the right person right now?

636
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:04,040
Like who would you call?

637
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:07,360
Eric, he's planning a building of B County Code Enforcement.

638
01:01:07,900 --> 01:01:08,100
Okay.

639
01:01:09,420 --> 01:01:09,860
Okay.

640
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:10,580
Thank you.

641
01:01:11,180 --> 01:01:11,380
Okay.

642
01:01:11,820 --> 01:01:13,300
Are there any other questions or?

643
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:19,020
Yeah, actually, there was a couple questions about the water pressure and the water infrastructure.

644
01:01:19,420 --> 01:01:21,920
And I don't know if this is something for Kelly.

645
01:01:22,860 --> 01:01:23,800
Yeah, that would be great.

646
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:25,020
I'd love to hear about that.

647
01:01:25,020 --> 01:01:47,540
But, and then also, I just do want to acknowledge the inconsistency because if somebody wanted to plan a vineyard on this property over five acres, they would not be allowed and we are basically allowing a huge use of water on this and so it does, you know, kind of bring up something that, you know, I'd love to discuss a little bit maybe, but anyway, just throwing that out there, but I'd love to hear about the water.

648
01:01:47,540 --> 01:01:48,500
Okay.

649
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:51,340
Thank you.

650
01:01:55,240 --> 01:02:02,180
And while you're walking up here, my fading memory, I believe when you came here to

651
01:02:02,180 --> 01:02:05,580
talk about the plan expansion, to us we talked about recycled water.

652
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:11,660
And I don't know why I'm thinking of the color purple as a future opportunity, so if you

653
01:02:11,660 --> 01:02:12,600
could include that as well.

654
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:13,440
Appreciate it.

655
01:02:13,500 --> 01:02:13,720
Of course.

656
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:17,700
Again, Kelly Dodds, General Manager for the Samgill Community Service District.

657
01:02:19,500 --> 01:02:23,840
So I guess we could start with the water pressure, the district does provide

658
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:26,240
potable water to the community on both sides of the river.

659
01:02:27,220 --> 01:02:31,880
And we provide water at or above the minimum standards set by the count,

660
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:34,540
or set by the state, which is 20 PSI.

661
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:41,100
And we have several areas within our community that are right at 20 PSI

662
01:02:41,100 --> 01:02:43,320
or a little bit above that because of their elevation.

663
01:02:45,140 --> 01:02:51,880
Those areas have been subject to those pressures well before I was involved with the district

664
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:57,000
and probably well before the district was even a glimmer in anybody's eye.

665
01:02:59,610 --> 01:03:05,760
We are currently working and hopefully we'll be approved at our board being tonight a contract

666
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:12,860
to develop a booster station for the entirety of the terrace to increase pressures and increase

667
01:03:12,860 --> 01:03:18,980
fire flows for the entirety of the terrace, which it actually would not affect this particular

668
01:03:18,980 --> 01:03:23,540
development, but it will resolve issues for the remainder of the terrace area.

669
01:03:26,460 --> 01:03:34,220
So that, again, should be approved tonight for the design which should be done by the end

670
01:03:34,220 --> 01:03:38,540
of the year hopefully, and hopefully we can move right into construction. It is a supported

671
01:03:38,540 --> 01:03:43,640
project by our board so it's it shouldn't have too much trouble getting getting pushed along.

672
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:52,860
In regard of the recycled water, the treatment plant will provide or will develop recycled water

673
01:03:52,860 --> 01:03:58,040
and will be able to use recycled water throughout the community. It was not a direct

674
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:05,660
requirement for this particular project because at the time we did not have an ability to provide

675
01:04:05,660 --> 01:04:12,060
cycle water. If recycled water is extended across the bridge then most likely at that time

676
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:18,320
it would be brought over to this project or any neighboring projects for use for landscaping.

677
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:23,960
But at the current time we're not requiring it as part of this project but it is something

678
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:25,140
that could be available in the future.

679
01:04:28,860 --> 01:04:31,260
I was going to say one other question on the some of the

680
01:04:31,260 --> 01:04:35,340
correspondence we received there were some questions about the current state of the waste water pond

681
01:04:36,060 --> 01:04:43,220
and that there were some issues that, you know, it wasn't working properly and it had to be spread to another field, I believe through surface application.

682
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:51,540
Is there any, can you talk about that? And because obviously if we don't move to the, you know, you get the grant and you don't move to the improved wastewater facility,

683
01:04:51,540 --> 01:04:56,080
we'll still be using what's existing is the existing sufficient for this part of the development.

684
01:04:57,980 --> 01:05:01,980
So, the issue that we're having at the waste water treatment plant is related to percolation.

685
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:08,580
The treatment process is still working as it was designed in early 2000.

686
01:05:09,500 --> 01:05:14,180
It does have some shortfalls, which we don't have time to go into those right now,

687
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:19,180
but it is producing effluent at the quality that it was designed to provide it at.

688
01:05:19,740 --> 01:05:24,280
We do have issues with our new permit because of the permit limitations being reduced.

689
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:27,360
that that treatment has caused other problems.

690
01:05:27,580 --> 01:05:29,340
But the current problem that we're having

691
01:05:29,340 --> 01:05:32,940
at the treatment plant and that has been put out

692
01:05:32,940 --> 01:05:35,780
on social media and sent out to probably all you guys

693
01:05:35,780 --> 01:05:40,120
and our board is that we are having a problem

694
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:43,460
with percolation and the way our plant works

695
01:05:43,460 --> 01:05:44,840
as we go through four treatment ponds

696
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:47,280
and then it goes into three percolation ponds.

697
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,240
Those percolation ponds generally would be cycled

698
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:51,940
from month to month between them.

699
01:05:52,180 --> 01:05:53,280
They would percolate into the ground.

700
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:56,020
we'd move on to the next one, percolate, percolate, percolate.

701
01:05:57,780 --> 01:06:04,500
Roughly the end of 2023, early 24, we saw a decline in percolation,

702
01:06:06,020 --> 01:06:12,360
and that slowly got worse and worse. Right now we are percolating in our percolation ponds,

703
01:06:12,460 --> 01:06:16,240
but we're using a spray field on our property that we own next to the treatment plant

704
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:22,020
to percolate into the ground through essentially virgin ground over there.

705
01:06:22,020 --> 01:06:27,480
And we are currently working with engineers to try to figure out what the actual problem is,

706
01:06:27,900 --> 01:06:32,080
why there's a hydraulic block below the percolation ponds.

707
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:38,860
And once that's resolved, then either will be constructing new percolation ponds

708
01:06:38,860 --> 01:06:41,900
or constructing some alternate means of disposal.

709
01:06:43,820 --> 01:06:48,440
And that's not reliant on the grant at all, that that is just part of ongoing business.

710
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:54,480
Yeah, correct. That is an ongoing issue that would be, that has to be resolved, whether we do anything else with the plant or not.

711
01:06:55,420 --> 01:06:57,260
So that will be moving forward regardless.

712
01:06:59,790 --> 01:07:04,570
And so following up on that, the current spraying method, disposal method is working.

713
01:07:05,550 --> 01:07:08,170
And you've got it managed. Maybe it's not ideal.

714
01:07:08,850 --> 01:07:11,230
You're managing the water you have.

715
01:07:11,690 --> 01:07:12,530
That is correct.

716
01:07:12,850 --> 01:07:18,770
Where the current spray fill that we're using is, we are working with the water board

717
01:07:18,770 --> 01:07:21,850
to create a permanent permit for it.

718
01:07:22,170 --> 01:07:24,630
We are having a temporary permit right now with it.

719
01:07:25,090 --> 01:07:26,630
With the water board, it is working.

720
01:07:26,890 --> 01:07:29,950
It actually works better than our percolation ponds have ever worked.

721
01:07:31,150 --> 01:07:36,290
So it may be something that is incorporated into the future as part of disposal for the

722
01:07:36,290 --> 01:07:37,370
future treatment plant as well.

723
01:07:37,370 --> 01:07:53,430
Okay. And then finally the other note we questioned we heard here today was about water storage. So to the degree that effects pressure fire safety is adequate on this site or inadequate.

724
01:07:54,570 --> 01:08:03,550
So though the elevation of this particular site is considerably lower than the majority of the terrace where the majority of the low pressure instances occur.

725
01:08:04,390 --> 01:08:10,270
and the terrace itself has a small storage tank which is planned to be removed and rebuilt.

726
01:08:11,650 --> 01:08:17,370
I don't have a time frame for that. The district as a whole has a deficiency in

727
01:08:17,370 --> 01:08:27,510
fire water storage based on NFPA and state standards. However, we don't have the funds to build

728
01:08:27,510 --> 01:08:32,470
additional storage at this point. Part of the, or the next phase of the booster station that I

729
01:08:32,470 --> 01:08:39,130
discussed earlier, is to build two storage tanks next to the booster station, so we would

730
01:08:39,130 --> 01:08:43,770
have an additional 500,000 gallons at that site, which would feed the booster station

731
01:08:43,770 --> 01:08:50,030
and ensure that there was adequate water for fire and domestic use for the entirety of

732
01:08:50,030 --> 01:08:52,830
terrorists, which would include this project.

733
01:08:54,660 --> 01:09:01,920
So following up on that, then understanding a current deficiency there, do you anticipate

734
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:07,340
that your current development hookup fees, what we've heard may be roughly $3 million from

735
01:09:07,340 --> 01:09:17,260
this project, contributes to that existing deficiency to bring it up to date, or do you need to

736
01:09:17,260 --> 01:09:24,040
review your development fees and maybe consider the kind of hookup fees to get that incorporated?

737
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:30,360
So the $3 million that was mentioned earlier was the wastewater connection fees.

738
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:34,820
there would be obviously connection fees for water as well. So they're separate, separate

739
01:09:34,820 --> 01:09:42,280
entities, separate fees. And those fees would likely be placed towards construction of additional

740
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:49,840
water storage. We also have additional grants and other mechanisms to fund the treatment,

741
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:55,720
or not the treatment, but the additional water storage tanks that I mentioned a minute ago.

742
01:09:58,860 --> 01:10:07,040
They're a little bit farther out. We did just recently purchased the property to put them on, along with the booster station. So we are moving forward with that.

743
01:10:09,140 --> 01:10:24,940
But again, it's a sort of a phase project. First phase is to build the booster station and then then move into construction of the water tanks, which in itself is also phased into two different tanks.

744
01:10:24,940 --> 01:10:32,180
one 250,000 gallons a piece, so we've designed the project so that we can actually, you know,

745
01:10:32,540 --> 01:10:37,740
effectively actually get it done. And we haven't created this monster of a project that can't be

746
01:10:37,740 --> 01:10:44,580
funded. Okay, so I'm hearing you say your water connection fees anticipated from this project would

747
01:10:44,580 --> 01:10:51,920
help fund that not add to an existing deficiency. Yeah, the connection fees from this project

748
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:58,220
or any other project that's developed on the Terrace would go into fixing the deficiency on the Terrace.

749
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:05,260
Connection fees that are received throughout the district would also augment our storage for

750
01:11:05,260 --> 01:11:08,080
the entirety of the district, not just the Terrace.

751
01:11:08,860 --> 01:11:09,600
Thank you.

752
01:11:10,300 --> 01:11:11,280
Oh, for me.

753
01:11:12,820 --> 01:11:20,540
If I could just take a quick pause because I failed all of us and ask if anyone had any export take

754
01:11:20,540 --> 01:11:22,140
communications on this item.

755
01:11:22,440 --> 01:11:24,320
Now that we're three quarters of the way through it.

756
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:29,520
Yeah, actually, I'm prior to the previous hearing.

757
01:11:29,700 --> 01:11:31,760
I did speak with applicant and the agent at the property.

758
01:11:32,440 --> 01:11:36,340
I spoke with Greg Grohl previously, Murray Powell.

759
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:38,440
And then I also reached out to Blaine,

760
01:11:38,440 --> 01:11:39,520
really the director of the GSA.

761
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:41,840
Thank you, anyone else?

762
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:43,640
Okay.

763
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:45,380
Thank you for the reminder.

764
01:11:45,580 --> 01:11:47,820
It's prominently displayed in front of me now.

765
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:50,500
Okay.

766
01:11:53,080 --> 01:12:02,760
So the minimum water pressure that we have to provide is 20 PSI, there is a requirement.

767
01:12:03,140 --> 01:12:06,340
2, 2, 0 not 1, 2, 0, 2, 0 for it.

768
01:12:08,750 --> 01:12:16,030
There is a requirement for large increases to our system, so if you, I don't remember the

769
01:12:16,030 --> 01:12:21,510
exact percentage, but this particular project would be subject to the higher minimum pressure,

770
01:12:21,510 --> 01:12:26,430
which is 40 PSI, however, because they are at a lower elevation, they already meet that.

771
01:12:26,970 --> 01:12:35,070
Okay, and then the other question is, or comment was, so right now, there's not enough capacity

772
01:12:35,070 --> 01:12:40,310
for fire. You don't have enough reserve fire water currently in the district, is that what

773
01:12:40,310 --> 01:12:48,290
I'm hearing that you're, so we, so we have the way the system of the district is designed

774
01:12:48,290 --> 01:12:55,970
as we are on one pressure zone with one system essentially fed, the system's backfed by wells,

775
01:12:56,110 --> 01:13:03,130
but it's gravity fed from tanks. We have one large tank on the west side that feeds everything,

776
01:13:03,650 --> 01:13:08,750
and we have one small tank on the terrace, which has been there for a long time. It's useful,

777
01:13:08,870 --> 01:13:15,110
but it's not really, we'll just ignore it for now, I guess, but the, so as far as firewater

778
01:13:15,110 --> 01:13:21,350
storage goes, we have an adequate amount for the district. We do not, we are

779
01:13:21,350 --> 01:13:25,870
deficient if you look at NFPA standards or at state standards for

780
01:13:25,870 --> 01:13:30,430
what fire water storage for the types of structures we have and the size of

781
01:13:30,430 --> 01:13:37,010
our community. The district isn't at risk of running out of water if we have a

782
01:13:37,010 --> 01:13:42,670
significant fire within the district, but if you look on paper we're deficient.

783
01:13:44,370 --> 01:13:49,350
That's part of what would be addressed with our future tanks is to get us closer to that amount.

784
01:13:50,450 --> 01:13:54,670
But as right now, that project's not funded, correct?

785
01:13:55,350 --> 01:13:57,030
For the tanks and the booster pump?

786
01:13:57,690 --> 01:13:58,890
Correct, it's not funded yet.

787
01:14:03,830 --> 01:14:07,950
And you, Cal Fire would have signed off on this as well already.

788
01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:08,730
I'm assuming.

789
01:14:08,730 --> 01:14:22,710
So Sam Miguel has our own fire department, so Sam Miguel fire department has been in, has reviewed these projects or this project and has provided any income or any comments that would have been required.

790
01:14:23,590 --> 01:14:27,830
As far as I'm aware, the requirements have been addressed.

791
01:14:28,910 --> 01:14:29,350
Okay,

792
01:14:38,260 --> 01:14:50,940
and then one of the questions, so the new plant when it expands is going to have the capability to produce and recycle water, but this project right now is public, we're not requiring any recycle water.

793
01:14:51,060 --> 01:14:59,580
So they're not going to be supply lines to this project for future hookups, and if they, even though you're going to provide it in the future, it won't be a supply line there.

794
01:15:12,700 --> 01:15:26,960
So, although recycle water was anticipated as part of the expansion of the treatment plant, we were not clear on when what that timeline was in the beginning of this project. And there is no existing recycled water throughout town.

795
01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:34,240
So any recycled water that this project would use would be brought from the treatment plant on the other side of the river.

796
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:42,620
There's no immediate plans to install recycled water to the community due to the high cost of doing so.

797
01:15:43,440 --> 01:15:52,260
In the future, if we bring recycled water across the river, then we would most likely incorporate that into this project.

798
01:15:52,260 --> 01:16:02,920
but yes, you're correct, they would have to bring lines back into this development to wherever their landscape meters are and connect those, right?

799
01:16:03,400 --> 01:16:11,940
Is it, would you be able to use a recycle water to re-inject back into the aquifer when you guys build a plan or do you plan? Is that part, I can't remember if that was part of your plan?

800
01:16:11,940 --> 01:16:17,420
That is actually one of the possible uses of the recycle water is either to

801
01:16:18,100 --> 01:16:21,030
Percolate it into a ground into the ground at a location that's

802
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:29,440
Suitable for percolation in the groundwater and to recharge the basin or to direct inject it and direct injection requires a lot more

803
01:16:29,440 --> 01:16:32,820
Infrastructure and is considerably more costly

804
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:40,630
But that is one of the one of the possible projects to deal with the the effluent and

805
01:16:40,630 --> 01:16:43,710
And to also augment our groundwater.

806
01:16:44,250 --> 01:16:44,590
Okay.

807
01:16:45,630 --> 01:16:49,210
Probably should be using geotagism and get back in one way or the other.

808
01:16:49,590 --> 01:16:49,810
Yeah.

809
01:16:51,490 --> 01:16:52,390
That's all I have.

810
01:16:53,190 --> 01:16:53,650
So far.

811
01:16:56,990 --> 01:16:57,770
Let it qualify.

812
01:16:58,390 --> 01:16:59,010
Miriam anything?

813
01:16:59,970 --> 01:17:00,190
Yeah.

814
01:17:00,470 --> 01:17:01,110
I'm good now too.

815
01:17:01,290 --> 01:17:01,750
Thank you.

816
01:17:02,310 --> 01:17:02,890
Don't run away.

817
01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:08,620
Staff, was there anything else you wanted to address from the public comment?

818
01:17:09,580 --> 01:17:15,380
We had one question at the beginning about the relation of the timing of the phases.

819
01:17:15,380 --> 01:17:19,760
of the map and the available services. I think it was Commissioner Shaw's questions.

820
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:26,940
I just wanted to clarify, we do have condition number 27 that requires the will serve documentation

821
01:17:26,940 --> 01:17:33,060
for water and sewer to be provided prior to recording the map for each phase. So of course,

822
01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:37,720
that's how we make sure services are available before the parcels are legally created.

823
01:17:38,480 --> 01:17:44,380
But there was also a lot of discussion at the last meeting about extending the term of the map.

824
01:17:44,380 --> 01:17:58,280
So it wouldn't expire and we had the opinion of county council that for the subdivision map act and county code we can't write anything in there that would extend the term of the map.

825
01:17:58,300 --> 01:18:13,540
I know there was some discussion about if there was a moratorium in place, maybe some other legislation kicks in, but at this time with what we have, we're not able to write in anything to extend the term of the map with these conditions.

826
01:18:13,540 --> 01:18:15,960
So, I just wanted to make sure we're clear there.

827
01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:17,680
Thank you.

828
01:18:20,170 --> 01:18:20,590
Okay.

829
01:18:21,170 --> 01:18:23,150
So, we're an interesting point.

830
01:18:23,290 --> 01:18:24,370
It's 10-20 nearly.

831
01:18:25,050 --> 01:18:27,650
We're scheduled to take a short recess at 10-30.

832
01:18:28,130 --> 01:18:31,090
But since we're about to enter into deliberations,

833
01:18:31,290 --> 01:18:34,530
I just wanted to propose to the commission that maybe we do 10 minutes.

834
01:18:35,750 --> 01:18:38,970
We come back at 10-30 or so if that works.

835
01:18:39,870 --> 01:18:40,110
Okay.

836
01:18:40,230 --> 01:18:42,250
So folks, we're going to take a brief recess.

837
01:18:42,690 --> 01:18:44,430
It will reconvene at 10-30.

838
01:18:44,430 --> 01:18:46,630
So, about 10 minutes. Thank you.

839
01:18:58,090 --> 01:19:04,070
All right, everyone. Thank you for your patience. We're going to reconvene the Planning Commission meeting on this first hearing item.

840
01:19:05,890 --> 01:19:11,330
I believe we're at the point for Commissioner deliberations. Would you like to start being D1?

841
01:19:13,770 --> 01:19:17,750
So, I think I'm going to just kind of lead with the fact that we need housing.

842
01:19:18,170 --> 01:19:21,410
And so, I think I'm looking at this project through that lens.

843
01:19:22,070 --> 01:19:39,310
There's obviously a bit of concern, I think, with the consistency that we're showing where we're denying some projects, because of lack of water, but then looking at this point where it's 180 homes, and so that it's something that I definitely am wrestling with.

844
01:19:39,870 --> 01:19:50,290
We do have a wheel serve letter from Sammy Gell, and so I'm relying on the fact that they're saying they have the available water.

845
01:19:50,290 --> 01:20:00,110
I'm relying on the county council saying that the decision was basically just giving the rights to the overliers, but not saying how much that was.

846
01:20:02,130 --> 01:20:10,230
And so I am definitely supportive in willing to make a motion to basically move forward with this project, but that's kind of where I'm coming out with this.

847
01:20:10,370 --> 01:20:13,150
So I'd love to hear other commissioner's thoughts as well.

848
01:20:13,150 --> 01:20:13,210
Well,

849
01:20:15,410 --> 01:20:20,750
I appreciate that and agree also recognizing that housing is so much needed.

850
01:20:22,590 --> 01:20:29,570
The part of it where we may deny or I may vote to deny housing in other areas is that

851
01:20:29,570 --> 01:20:34,150
it's different here is this project very much aligns with the community plan.

852
01:20:34,690 --> 01:20:41,990
This is a zone that's been designated for residential and commercial, which we're now allowing

853
01:20:41,990 --> 01:20:47,990
in encouraging housing to go into. So sometimes we see some other proposals where that zone and

854
01:20:47,990 --> 01:20:53,770
that community vision doesn't necessarily align. So given that that community vision has been

855
01:20:53,770 --> 01:21:00,950
clearly expressed for this location for a decade, I'm not troubled by approving this. I like that

856
01:21:00,950 --> 01:21:07,210
the phasing is here and that the phase one has the smaller, more affordable by design homes.

857
01:21:07,210 --> 01:21:14,350
I'm very pleased to see that we have conditioning that at least 10% of these homes will be conditioned

858
01:21:14,350 --> 01:21:16,550
as permanently moderate, affordable.

859
01:21:17,050 --> 01:21:19,730
So we don't see that in all of the projects that we get.

860
01:21:20,170 --> 01:21:25,730
So I would have loved to see some lower income affordability targets as we discussed.

861
01:21:26,530 --> 01:21:31,610
Hopefully we can hit those with the ADU requirement and thanks to the applicant for being willing

862
01:21:31,610 --> 01:21:32,570
to put that in.

863
01:21:32,870 --> 01:21:35,430
That's been contentious in some other projects.

864
01:21:35,430 --> 01:21:43,270
and so that adds some potentially smaller JA to use and aid to use in that may hit our lower income affordability targets.

865
01:21:44,790 --> 01:21:48,590
It's relatively near the town center and at a moderate density.

866
01:21:49,370 --> 01:21:55,470
So given those items, I'm very comfortable voting to approve this today.

867
01:21:55,930 --> 01:21:58,750
On the water, I do understand the community concerns.

868
01:21:59,150 --> 01:22:04,710
I do understand that the Basin is in overdraft and there are some issues that will have to,

869
01:22:04,710 --> 01:22:06,970
You know, get reconciled down the line.

870
01:22:07,190 --> 01:22:10,350
We're going to be talking a lot about water every day.

871
01:22:10,450 --> 01:22:12,750
We do this and it is a huge concern.

872
01:22:13,050 --> 01:22:16,610
So I do sympathize with the community members' concerns,

873
01:22:16,610 --> 01:22:21,510
particularly the agricultural productionists who've spoken here today

874
01:22:21,850 --> 01:22:26,010
and have some concerns about their ability to continue viability

875
01:22:26,450 --> 01:22:28,250
with their agricultural production.

876
01:22:28,570 --> 01:22:31,410
I think we may need to reconcile some of that.

877
01:22:31,410 --> 01:22:38,770
But long those lines, town use, residential use is really a relatively minimal use compared

878
01:22:38,770 --> 01:22:39,670
to Ag use.

879
01:22:40,210 --> 01:22:45,450
It's going to come up in the next hearing, but I was talking to a brancher recently

880
01:22:45,450 --> 01:22:53,730
and his use for some tree production, crop production is very similar to much of the whole

881
01:22:53,730 --> 01:22:55,030
town of Cambria's use.

882
01:22:55,950 --> 01:22:59,730
And so we are going to have to kind of balance some of that over time.

883
01:22:59,730 --> 01:23:05,550
So that's a head in front of us, it'll be messy, but comfortable with this today.

884
01:23:07,940 --> 01:23:09,520
Thank you, Commissioner Shaw.

885
01:23:10,180 --> 01:23:14,360
Yeah, not much more to add, I echo their comments, I agree.

886
01:23:15,500 --> 01:23:22,700
I don't think it's our place to relitigate the groundwater basin issues here today.

887
01:23:22,900 --> 01:23:28,770
We have to go with what our attorney and our staff is telling us and

888
01:23:28,770 --> 01:23:35,810
the will serve letter and the community plan and yeah, I'm supportive and supportive of

889
01:23:35,810 --> 01:23:37,390
housing. Thank you.

890
01:23:38,050 --> 01:23:38,850
Mr. Rebels.

891
01:23:41,250 --> 01:23:49,250
So one comment on the the AG versus residential, the water use, it's kind of tight. It's self-fulfilling

892
01:23:49,250 --> 01:23:54,550
when we use all the water for houses and there's no food being grown. It'll kind of cancel itself

893
01:23:54,550 --> 01:23:56,410
out. So we don't have to worry about that.

894
01:24:01,750 --> 01:24:07,750
the project is clean. I mean, it's a decent project. It's within everything I'm not going

895
01:24:07,750 --> 01:24:14,450
to read or read with. I'm Alex said, but the bottom line is frustrating because I feel

896
01:24:14,450 --> 01:24:21,910
like the county selectively uses water when we can and can't approve a project. We tried

897
01:24:21,910 --> 01:24:34,770
I just split a lot for a guy here a couple of months ago that had four, four lots he wanted split and he said no, there's not enough water and now we're going to build 181 houses enough water, you know, the water doesn't know if we're putting in low income houses or not.

898
01:24:34,890 --> 01:24:35,810
Just those were putting in houses.

899
01:24:36,190 --> 01:24:41,530
So that part's frustrating to me and I understand what everybody's saying about the water.

900
01:24:41,530 --> 01:24:47,550
It's a, it seems like it's used when it needs to be used, whichever way it wants to go.

901
01:24:47,730 --> 01:24:52,610
But with that said, the project, it's a clean project, it meets everything, it needs to meet.

902
01:24:53,910 --> 01:24:58,810
There's a will serve letter, sounds like the fire signed off, which was two of my concerns.

903
01:25:00,630 --> 01:25:02,150
That's all I really have to say on it.

904
01:25:02,970 --> 01:25:03,730
That's my opinion.

905
01:25:04,450 --> 01:25:04,850
Thank you.

906
01:25:05,110 --> 01:25:09,050
And I believe everything up here has been well stated and

907
01:25:09,050 --> 01:25:16,650
shared, it is frustrating, but I think, you know, acting within our lane of what our

908
01:25:16,650 --> 01:25:23,250
authority is, we have, we'll serve from the CSD. We also know that of something really

909
01:25:23,250 --> 01:25:27,530
unfortunate that happened in that grant and come through. Phase one would be self-limiting

910
01:25:28,090 --> 01:25:34,130
development of this housing tract. And other than that, I believe it's a clean project.

911
01:25:34,130 --> 01:25:39,490
And there's a lot of other conversations that need to be had outside of this room.

912
01:25:39,910 --> 01:25:43,030
So would someone like to make a motion?

913
01:25:43,310 --> 01:25:43,610
Commissioner?

914
01:25:44,150 --> 01:25:46,530
Before you make a motion, I had one more comment.

915
01:25:47,090 --> 01:25:48,130
Did you have one staff?

916
01:25:51,580 --> 01:25:52,060
Sorry.

917
01:25:52,480 --> 01:25:55,420
Oh, I just before a motion is made, I had one more comment.

918
01:25:55,700 --> 01:26:03,160
I was very pleased to see that our hanging item from the last meeting got handled as far as the road improvements.

919
01:26:03,160 --> 01:26:07,980
And so thanks to public work staff for working that out and to the applicant.

920
01:26:08,440 --> 01:26:15,160
Although I wasn't pleased to see that the shoulder on Indian Valley was reduced to two feet.

921
01:26:15,340 --> 01:26:20,860
As a cyclist who kind of relies on those shoulders, that wasn't the way I wanted that to go.

922
01:26:21,320 --> 01:26:28,140
But I'm glad that got worked out to, you know, that the lots could be maintained and the number of homes.

923
01:26:28,140 --> 01:26:35,810
So it worked out okay that we could keep that number of homes and meet county standards.

924
01:26:36,290 --> 01:26:42,010
I guess the pathway there will be a bikeable, I presume, as part of the loop trail.

925
01:26:42,450 --> 01:26:44,050
So that may meet the need adequately.

926
01:26:44,430 --> 01:26:48,690
But as a cyclist who doesn't always want to bump on a kind of sidewalk up curbs and

927
01:26:48,690 --> 01:26:50,850
around, that can be a bit challenging.

928
01:26:51,630 --> 01:26:52,150
That's all.

929
01:26:52,670 --> 01:26:55,050
Thank you, staff, are you going to bring up three visions?

930
01:26:55,670 --> 01:26:56,050
Thank you.

931
01:26:56,050 --> 01:26:56,110
Thank you.

932
01:27:02,530 --> 01:27:03,510
Yes, thank you.

933
01:27:03,630 --> 01:27:09,450
We have additional condition amendment requested by the applicant and reviewed by Public Works

934
01:27:09,450 --> 01:27:10,790
that we wanted to show you.

935
01:27:11,050 --> 01:27:16,330
This is the only one that wasn't in the memo that you received prior to the hearing.

936
01:27:21,690 --> 01:27:27,490
So as it states, number one, this is the Public Works Condition Road and Streets are to be constructed

937
01:27:27,490 --> 01:27:33,190
to the following standards unless already constructed and acceptable or design exceptions

938
01:27:33,190 --> 01:27:38,810
are approved by the Public Works Department in accordance with Section 1.2 of the public improvement standards.

939
01:27:39,450 --> 01:27:52,750
Indian Valley Road shall be widened to complete the project frontage of a modified A2D urban street section with 11 or 12 foot travel lane as determined by public works.

940
01:27:53,290 --> 01:28:02,710
10 foot turn lanes, two foot paved shoulder, and a five foot sidewalk fronting the property within a dedicated right away easement of sufficient width.

941
01:28:02,710 --> 01:28:19,990
to contain all elements of the roadway prism as recommended by Rivers Edge, San Miguel, traffic and circulation study review prepared by CCTC, data July 14, 2025, as phased as, oh, and phased as applicable.

942
01:28:21,350 --> 01:28:22,230
Thank you.

943
01:28:24,750 --> 01:28:27,850
All right. With that, Eric, would you mind bringing up the recommendation, please?

944
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:46,640
All right.

945
01:28:46,640 --> 01:29:02,220
We are pursuant to secret guidelines section 15183 and to approve track map and conditional use permit and SUV 2022-00047 based on the findings listed in Exhibit A and the revised condition listed in Exhibit B.

946
01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:04,560
I'll second that.

947
01:29:05,220 --> 01:29:06,260
Thank you, Clerk.

948
01:29:07,440 --> 01:29:08,320
Commissioner Viecona?

949
01:29:08,640 --> 01:29:08,760
Yes.

950
01:29:09,020 --> 01:29:09,520
Commissioner Wyatt?

951
01:29:10,380 --> 01:29:10,560
Yes.

952
01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:10,840
Mr. Shaw?

953
01:29:11,180 --> 01:29:11,580
Yes.

954
01:29:11,940 --> 01:29:12,380
Mr. Ava?

955
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:12,880
Yes.

956
01:29:13,220 --> 01:29:13,720
And Chair Lee were in.

957
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:14,140
Yes.

958
01:29:15,500 --> 01:29:16,700
That concludes this item.

959
01:29:16,700 --> 01:29:22,860
I thank everyone who has come for this item for their focus, their attention, and their participation.

960
01:29:23,340 --> 01:29:26,060
Give you a moment before we move to the next item.

961
01:30:03,470 --> 01:30:33,130
Okay. Clerk, would you introduce the next item, please? Yes. Hearing item number five is a hearing to consider a request by vertical bridge, Verizon, and T-Mobile for a conditional use permit and variance to allow for the construction of a telecommunications facility and public utility facility. This is county file number N-DRC-2024-0046 and this is in Supervisorial District 1. Thank you. Commissioners, any expert take communications to disclose?

962
01:30:33,130 --> 01:30:39,330
close. I've got it. All right, staff can introduce the project team, please.

963
01:30:39,890 --> 01:30:43,870
Yes, Eric Hughes, planning and building, presenting the item. We have Planner Blake

964
01:30:43,870 --> 01:30:48,890
Molly. And in support, we have super rising, super rising Planner Kerry Brown, myself Eric

965
01:30:48,890 --> 01:30:50,510
Hughes, and Deputy Director Markler.

966
01:30:52,520 --> 01:30:53,300
And JR.

967
01:30:54,160 --> 01:31:00,760
Hi, good morning, commission. I'm going to request a quick recess to get their correct presentation.

968
01:31:00,760 --> 01:31:05,140
We've had a lot of revisions made, so I could have 10 minutes to run across the street and

969
01:31:05,140 --> 01:31:06,060
We can come back to be great.

970
01:31:08,120 --> 01:31:08,540
Oh.

971
01:31:10,020 --> 01:31:12,040
Could we do a switch up?

972
01:31:12,540 --> 01:31:13,440
Yeah, certainly, Chair.

973
01:31:13,480 --> 01:31:19,480
To keep us moving, is it possible we could take item six while you

974
01:31:19,480 --> 01:31:21,760
or collect what you need?

975
01:31:22,020 --> 01:31:23,920
Or should that have been an agenda review?

976
01:31:24,160 --> 01:31:25,740
I think we need to go with the recess.

977
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:31,800
All right, three minutes.

978
01:34:53,190 --> 01:34:55,650
Good morning Chairperson Lieberman and members of the commission.

979
01:34:55,810 --> 01:34:56,610
My name is Blake Molly.

980
01:34:56,710 --> 01:34:59,430
I'm a project manager with the Planning and Building Department.

981
01:34:59,430 --> 01:35:06,050
Today, I'll be presenting a request by Vertical Bridge, Verizon Wireless and T-Mobile for

982
01:35:06,050 --> 01:35:19,010
a variance in conditional use permit, county file number N-DRC-2024-0046 for a wireless

983
01:35:19,010 --> 01:35:20,190
communications facility.

984
01:35:23,040 --> 01:35:29,440
The proposed facilities and unmanned wireless communications installation originally designed

985
01:35:29,440 --> 01:35:37,500
defined as a originally designed and evaluated as a 65-foot tall monopole.

986
01:35:38,760 --> 01:35:45,880
The applicant has actually resubmitted with a 69-foot tall faux monopine, and that is

987
01:35:45,880 --> 01:35:47,740
a preferred design.

988
01:35:48,800 --> 01:35:53,440
As a better integrates with the surrounding environment, Memo was submitted to the commission

989
01:35:53,440 --> 01:35:56,960
to propose the faux monopine for your consideration.

990
01:35:57,860 --> 01:36:04,260
This wireless facility consists of 19 panel antennas, 18 remote radio units,

991
01:36:04,780 --> 01:36:08,740
three service lights, and associated equipment cabinets and hardware,

992
01:36:09,220 --> 01:36:15,920
all located within a 1600 square foot lease area, and surrounded by a six foot tall fence.

993
01:36:17,320 --> 01:36:24,820
Additionally, this request includes the improvement of an approximately 5,275 foot long access road,

994
01:36:24,820 --> 01:36:34,220
and grading on slopes and access of 30%. Both towers will feature the same equipment and lease area.

995
01:36:38,640 --> 01:36:43,740
The proposed project is located approximately half a mile south of the village of Heritage Ranch.

996
01:36:44,600 --> 01:36:53,880
I would like to mention that the nearest residence to the project is approximately 1,972 feet north of the project site.

997
01:36:57,020 --> 01:37:10,240
The parcel is located within the rural land use category with the access road going through zoning designations of residential single family and open space.

998
01:37:15,860 --> 01:37:24,560
Here we have an aerial image of the parcel. Please note the approximate project area is near the northernmost portion of the westernmost parcel.

999
01:37:26,460 --> 01:37:34,260
In this, you'll see the project site outline and yellow with the access road identified with the yellow dashed lines.

1000
01:37:40,290 --> 01:37:44,390
In this slide, we're looking at the proposed site plan with the lease area outlined in red.

1001
01:37:50,190 --> 01:37:55,770
In this slide, it illustrates the eastern elevation of the proposed monopole design.

1002
01:37:59,850 --> 01:38:04,410
And this is the eastern elevation with the monopine design.

1003
01:38:04,410 --> 01:38:05,550
here's

1004
01:38:10,290 --> 01:38:13,190
the southern elevation of the monopole design,

1005
01:38:18,690 --> 01:38:23,950
and here's the same southern elevation with the monopine design.

1006
01:38:29,220 --> 01:38:46,240
Here's an expanded view of the proposed equipment area. Please note the location of the proposed 1600-square-foot-least area outlining red with the tower outlining green and the equipment areas outlining blue.

1007
01:38:46,240 --> 01:38:47,240
In

1008
01:38:52,170 --> 01:38:57,910
this photo simulation, you're looking at the monopole design as viewed from a heritage

1009
01:38:57,910 --> 01:38:59,310
road looking southwest.

1010
01:39:02,850 --> 01:39:07,210
And here's the same simulation but with the monopine design.

1011
01:39:12,310 --> 01:39:16,970
Here's the proposed monopole facility seen from water view drive looking south.

1012
01:39:19,460 --> 01:39:25,280
And here's the same visual simulation with the monopine design.

1013
01:39:25,280 --> 01:39:26,140
And

1014
01:39:30,020 --> 01:39:33,520
finally, this is our last set of visual simulations.

1015
01:39:34,220 --> 01:39:39,900
This is from Black Horse Lane, and this is the monopole design,

1016
01:39:41,900 --> 01:39:45,540
and this is the same simulation with the monopine.

1017
01:39:49,940 --> 01:39:52,560
In this slide, we see two T-mobile propagation maps.

1018
01:39:53,180 --> 01:39:58,060
The dark green color represents good coverage inside a commercial building.

1019
01:39:58,600 --> 01:40:01,720
The bright green represents good coverage in a building.

1020
01:40:01,720 --> 01:40:07,720
yellow represents good coverage in a vehicle with gray representing good coverage when outside.

1021
01:40:08,500 --> 01:40:14,680
The map on the left illustrates the current and existing coverage within the area with the map on the right

1022
01:40:15,580 --> 01:40:19,580
depicting the project coverage if the proposed facility is approved and constructed.

1023
01:40:26,720 --> 01:40:32,880
In this slide, we see two propagation maps for Verizon Wireless coverage at 700 megahertz.

1024
01:40:32,880 --> 01:40:38,920
The green represents good coverage in a building, yellow represents good coverage in a vehicle,

1025
01:40:39,320 --> 01:40:42,980
and the red represents good coverage went on the street or outside.

1026
01:40:44,140 --> 01:40:49,100
The map on the left shows the existing coverage, and the map on the right shows the proposed

1027
01:40:49,100 --> 01:40:49,520
coverage.

1028
01:40:55,640 --> 01:41:01,900
And here is another Verizon propagation map that they proposed for 2100 megahertz.

1029
01:41:02,760 --> 01:41:06,900
The map on the left is current, and the map on the right is proposed.

1030
01:41:06,900 --> 01:41:08,120
Under

1031
01:41:12,700 --> 01:41:23,540
the Federal Telecommunications Act of 1996, the county is not permitted to consider the effects of radio frequency emissions when evaluating a communications facility.

1032
01:41:24,100 --> 01:41:31,160
However, staff does verify that the radio frequency emissions meet the applicable FCC standards for public exposure.

1033
01:41:31,580 --> 01:41:35,480
This facility has been deemed to comply with these FCC standards.

1034
01:41:35,480 --> 01:41:35,700
words.

1035
01:41:38,870 --> 01:41:43,490
I'd like to bring to the attention of the commission that the applicant has proposed

1036
01:41:43,490 --> 01:41:45,790
some revised conditions of approval.

1037
01:41:48,490 --> 01:41:53,250
Staff has reviewed this revision with council and

1038
01:41:53,250 --> 01:42:02,670
supports the proposed revision. Another change the conditions has been made here and we

1039
01:42:02,670 --> 01:42:08,150
support that, which is striking condition number 15, the one seen on your screen entirely.

1040
01:42:08,950 --> 01:42:10,390
Staff supports that revision.

1041
01:42:16,060 --> 01:42:21,420
The project is exempt under CEQA, and a notice of exemption has been prepared and is included

1042
01:42:21,420 --> 01:42:22,200
in the staff report.

1043
01:42:22,880 --> 01:42:27,760
Staff is recommending approval of the variance and conditional use permit based on the findings

1044
01:42:27,760 --> 01:42:32,580
listed in Exhibit A, and the revised conditions listed in Exhibit B.

1045
01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:52,420
that concludes staff's presentation. We're here to answer any questions you may have also with us on behalf of vertical bridge Verizon NT mobile is Melissa Keith with assurance development and she has a presentation and can also answer any questions you should have. Thanks.

1046
01:42:52,420 --> 01:42:57,180
Thank you very much. Any initial questions for staff before we invite you to the application?

1047
01:42:57,700 --> 01:43:03,660
I just have one quick one. Whose idea was it to switch to the monopine versus monocle?

1048
01:43:03,820 --> 01:43:05,820
Was that due to community feedback or?

1049
01:43:06,780 --> 01:43:12,460
Yeah, initially the project application was submitted showing the monopole design.

1050
01:43:13,220 --> 01:43:18,940
As we got through the staff report and review of the project,

1051
01:43:19,600 --> 01:43:28,120
It was made to our, brought to our attention that the property owner had requested that the design be a monopine.

1052
01:43:28,680 --> 01:43:35,800
And assurance development, vertical bridge, Verizon and T-Mobile are all in agreement that that would be the best design.

1053
01:43:36,260 --> 01:43:37,060
Okay, thank you.

1054
01:43:39,720 --> 01:43:43,820
So that kind of piggybacked on this, so we're just looking at a monopine.

1055
01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:47,920
You were showing us the monopulges for reference?

1056
01:43:47,920 --> 01:43:56,660
Yeah, we showed the mono poll since that was in the original staff report that was provided to you guys.

1057
01:43:57,420 --> 01:44:05,680
The new mono pine is what the applicant is requesting and has prefers.

1058
01:44:06,740 --> 01:44:10,680
It's up to you guys' discretion to determine which design you would prefer.

1059
01:44:12,800 --> 01:44:18,780
but the monopine is the preferred design as proposed by the applicant.

1060
01:44:19,220 --> 01:44:23,220
Okay, and then on 15, just clarity, we're striking the whole thing.

1061
01:44:23,380 --> 01:44:24,240
Or just what you had read line.

1062
01:44:25,200 --> 01:44:33,080
Originally, it was going to be just the read line revision but following some correspondence

1063
01:44:33,080 --> 01:44:38,280
that we had with our legal council, the entire condition being struck from the staff report

1064
01:44:38,280 --> 01:44:39,120
makes the most sense.

1065
01:44:39,960 --> 01:44:40,500
Thanks.

1066
01:44:41,540 --> 01:44:43,000
Any other questions to my right?

1067
01:44:44,140 --> 01:44:46,820
All right, I'd like to invite the applicant to come forward.

1068
01:44:58,620 --> 01:44:59,620
Good morning, everybody.

1069
01:45:00,880 --> 01:45:17,920
Thank you for taking the time to listen to our case. Thank you. I did bring copies, five copies of my PowerPoint, although Blake has covered a lot of the territory that I was planning to cover, but I'll still hand it out.

1070
01:45:30,800 --> 01:45:42,860
So I'm going to start with reading a brief statement, and then I will go into my PowerPoint in just a moment here. So again, good morning to all the members of the Planning Commission.

1071
01:45:42,860 --> 01:45:48,500
I'd like to thank you for taking the time to review our project and consider it for approval today.

1072
01:45:48,960 --> 01:45:53,160
My name is Melissa Keith, and I am here to speak on behalf of Vertical Bridge.

1073
01:45:53,520 --> 01:45:57,000
It's our company that develops infrastructure for wireless carriers.

1074
01:45:58,380 --> 01:45:59,820
Vertical Bridge is

1075
01:45:59,820 --> 01:46:04,740
proposing to install a new 69-foot monopine

1076
01:46:05,260 --> 01:46:07,020
located in the

1077
01:46:07,020 --> 01:46:27,140
Nascimento sub-area of the North County, the site was chosen based off of coverage needs and feasibility which would properly address the poor coverage located in this area of the county.

1078
01:46:27,140 --> 01:46:36,380
The site is intentionally designed as a tree, because we believe that this would blend in with the surrounding environment.

1079
01:46:39,610 --> 01:46:48,120
Our proposed tower installation is designed to positively contribute to the quality of the county's overall infrastructure.

1080
01:46:48,340 --> 01:46:56,660
And we'll also ensure that coverage services are adequately met for day-to-day use and for any natural or man-made emergencies.

1081
01:46:56,660 --> 01:47:04,580
And so now I will go ahead and start my presentation here, sorry, the PowerPoint specifically.

1082
01:47:07,820 --> 01:47:13,220
So like I said, I'm representing Vertical Bridge, however, I'm directly with Assurance

1083
01:47:13,220 --> 01:47:13,740
Development.

1084
01:47:19,840 --> 01:47:25,620
And as Blake mentioned, initially this was processed as a monopole, but now we are proposing

1085
01:47:25,620 --> 01:47:31,360
seeing a 69-foot monopine for the sake of screening purposes, and because that is the landlord's preference.

1086
01:47:32,580 --> 01:47:40,320
The facility will allow two mobile and Verizon wireless to fill a service need by providing wireless coverage to this area of the county.

1087
01:47:40,920 --> 01:47:46,380
The facility will allow a two mobile and Verizon wireless to provide more reliable wireless services and

1088
01:47:46,380 --> 01:47:52,100
improved access to additional wireless services for the benefit of residents, businesses, visitors, and first responders.

1089
01:47:53,220 --> 01:48:04,280
and the facility has been designed to support additional wireless providers without the need for a new freestanding facility in the area, so it is designed for future co-location as well.

1090
01:48:05,420 --> 01:48:13,980
Just some information regarding the future of wireless where it currently stands and where the trend is expected to go.

1091
01:48:14,580 --> 01:48:21,100
The demand for wireless is expected to grow 20% by the per year through 2028.

1092
01:48:21,100 --> 01:48:32,100
98, 97% of Americans have a cell phone, an 85% on a smartphone, 72% of households rely

1093
01:48:32,100 --> 01:48:35,300
on wireless as their only means of telephone communication.

1094
01:48:36,500 --> 01:48:43,740
Over 81% of children live in wireless only households, over 85% of renters live in wireless

1095
01:48:43,740 --> 01:48:49,960
only households, and 240 million calls are made to 911 in the US each year, and in many

1096
01:48:49,960 --> 01:48:57,120
areas 80% or more are from wireless devices. These are the same coverage maps that you had

1097
01:48:57,120 --> 01:49:04,780
just seen with Blake's presentation. So this is Team Mobile's cover to the left is what it

1098
01:49:04,780 --> 01:49:11,420
currently looks like to the right is what the coverage would look like after the tower would be

1099
01:49:11,420 --> 01:49:17,900
installed. And as you can see, it would be a very significant improvement here. There's a lot of

1100
01:49:17,900 --> 01:49:23,960
greater to the left, which shows that there is very little to no coverage currently.

1101
01:49:24,460 --> 01:49:31,100
And we've been told by local residents actually that Wi-Fi is relied on quite heavily to

1102
01:49:31,100 --> 01:49:33,120
get any coverage here.

1103
01:49:33,820 --> 01:49:39,560
So this will definitely improve that for the community and for safety purposes as well.

1104
01:49:39,720 --> 01:49:42,260
This is the Verizon coverage maps.

1105
01:49:43,060 --> 01:49:48,500
same thing here. This shows the significant improvement between the before and after.

1106
01:49:49,740 --> 01:49:55,140
The proposed facility along with some of the access path.

1107
01:49:56,220 --> 01:50:06,260
This just shows sheet Ellis one of our plans which shows the access path and then the leading to the site.

1108
01:50:07,480 --> 01:50:14,140
This is currently our proposed design, so the monopine, like I said, is the current design

1109
01:50:14,140 --> 01:50:18,500
and I know this is a little redundant in the past, because the previous presentation showed this.

1110
01:50:19,120 --> 01:50:21,780
And these are the sims showing the monopine view,

1111
01:50:24,250 --> 01:50:27,050
and then the sims showing the monopole views.

1112
01:50:30,650 --> 01:50:32,430
So the requested action here.

1113
01:50:32,430 --> 01:50:50,670
So, county staff recommends approval of the proposed telecom facility subject to the conditions which we are on board with and the telecom facility will fill a significant gap in team mobile and Verizon wireless is coverage in the service area.

1114
01:50:50,670 --> 01:51:05,030
The project will comply with FCC regulations for radio frequency emissions and alternative sites where they're really assessed and disqualified based on the foregoing applicants, respectfully request approval today.

1115
01:51:06,210 --> 01:51:12,730
And again, thank you all for your time and to staff for working with us in developing this project.

1116
01:51:13,510 --> 01:51:17,110
Excellent. Thank you. Any questions for the representative?

1117
01:51:17,890 --> 01:51:19,210
All right. Thanks very much.

1118
01:51:19,210 --> 01:51:19,730
Thank you.

1119
01:51:25,380 --> 01:51:31,460
At this time, we would open public comment. I currently don't have any speaker request slips for this item

1120
01:51:32,240 --> 01:51:34,740
Is there anyone wishing to talk about the cellular site?

1121
01:51:35,720 --> 01:51:37,840
Okay, I'm gonna go ahead and close public comment

1122
01:51:42,670 --> 01:51:43,190
Yeah

1123
01:51:44,450 --> 01:51:44,970
Sure

1124
01:51:45,810 --> 01:51:52,730
Unless there's further questions. Okay, so I'll go ahead and then make the emotion to approve conditional use permit NDRC

1125
01:51:52,730 --> 01:52:03,490
be 2022-2004-00046, based on the finance listed in exhibit A, and do I need to put the revised conditions and the revised conditions listed in the exhibit fee.

1126
01:52:06,450 --> 01:52:08,890
We shall we put that in the slide?

1127
01:52:08,990 --> 01:52:09,510
Yeah, that would be great.

1128
01:52:09,790 --> 01:52:09,870
Yep.

1129
01:52:20,860 --> 01:52:26,680
While those conditions are being pulled up here, Q's kind of planning, I do want to note that it is initially used permit and variance.

1130
01:52:27,860 --> 01:52:29,100
That's being approved here today.

1131
01:52:40,400 --> 01:52:40,720
Second.

1132
01:52:41,240 --> 01:52:41,340
Anyone?

1133
01:52:41,340 --> 01:52:42,440
Sure.

1134
01:52:43,000 --> 01:52:43,460
I'll second.

1135
01:52:46,140 --> 01:52:46,460
Yeah.

1136
01:52:46,880 --> 01:52:48,460
We're going to read that in the record.

1137
01:52:49,820 --> 01:52:50,200
Cool.

1138
01:52:50,480 --> 01:52:56,580
So what's being struck from the conditions of approval is condition number 15 prior to

1139
01:52:56,580 --> 01:52:57,340
final inspection.

1140
01:52:57,860 --> 01:53:03,040
The applicant shall install RF exposure signage in compliance with applicable FCC regulations

1141
01:53:03,640 --> 01:53:09,900
and ANSIC 95.2 standards on the fencing and antennas.

1142
01:53:09,900 --> 01:53:14,240
The sign shall direct unauthorized personnel to remain outside restricted areas.

1143
01:53:15,020 --> 01:53:20,520
Advise workers to deactivate the facility prior to performing work within seven feet of the antennas.

1144
01:53:20,800 --> 01:53:23,980
And shall include facility contact information as required by federal law.

1145
01:53:24,360 --> 01:53:24,620
Thanks.

1146
01:53:28,090 --> 01:53:30,570
And revise condition number one.

1147
01:53:33,810 --> 01:53:42,590
And that is the design, stating that the equipment will be located on a 69 foot tall model pine.

1148
01:53:43,350 --> 01:53:43,690
Thanks.

1149
01:53:43,690 --> 01:53:43,770
Yes.

1150
01:53:51,840 --> 01:53:52,640
Thank you.

1151
01:53:52,840 --> 01:53:53,180
Clerk.

1152
01:53:56,810 --> 01:53:57,830
Commissioner Villacana.

1153
01:53:58,050 --> 01:53:58,190
Yes.

1154
01:53:58,410 --> 01:53:58,970
Commissioner Shaw.

1155
01:53:59,310 --> 01:53:59,470
Yes.

1156
01:53:59,810 --> 01:54:00,370
Commissioner Wyatt.

1157
01:54:00,650 --> 01:54:00,770
Yes.

1158
01:54:01,050 --> 01:54:01,550
Commissioner Ava.

1159
01:54:01,850 --> 01:54:01,970
Yes.

1160
01:54:02,230 --> 01:54:02,710
And Charlie Berman.

1161
01:54:03,050 --> 01:54:03,170
Yes.

1162
01:54:03,510 --> 01:54:04,150
Thank you.

1163
01:54:11,650 --> 01:54:12,050
All right.

1164
01:54:12,130 --> 01:54:15,690
This brings us to the next hearing item.

1165
01:54:15,950 --> 01:54:17,530
Clerk, if you could introduce it, please.

1166
01:54:20,540 --> 01:54:20,740
Yes.

1167
01:54:21,220 --> 01:54:26,520
Hearing item number six is a hearing to consider a request by the Nipomo New Beginnings Community

1168
01:54:26,520 --> 01:54:31,660
Church of Nazarene for a conditional new use permit to allow a religious facility on a parcel

1169
01:54:31,660 --> 01:54:34,400
less than 20,000 square feet in size.

1170
01:54:34,580 --> 01:54:39,700
This is county file n-DRC 2022-0014,

1171
01:54:40,140 --> 01:54:42,840
and this is in Supervisorial District 4.

1172
01:54:44,680 --> 01:54:45,720
Thank you very much.

1173
01:54:46,460 --> 01:54:48,980
Any expertly communications to disclose?

1174
01:54:51,500 --> 01:54:53,800
All right, deferred to staff for a presentation.

1175
01:54:54,600 --> 01:54:57,020
Yes, Eric Hughes planning and building presenting today.

1176
01:54:57,180 --> 01:54:59,420
We have a planner Lane Sutherland

1177
01:54:59,420 --> 01:55:02,240
and then in support myself, Eric Hughes,

1178
01:55:02,240 --> 01:55:08,180
is Mark LeRude W. Director and I don't want to forget Public Works J.R. Beard and County Council

1179
01:55:08,180 --> 01:55:09,060
Beddor, thank you.

1180
01:55:15,810 --> 01:55:16,270
Hello.

1181
01:55:16,710 --> 01:55:18,670
Good morning, Madam Clerk and members of the Commission.

1182
01:55:19,030 --> 01:55:20,810
My name is Lane Sutherland, Project Planner.

1183
01:55:22,410 --> 01:55:26,890
Today, I will be presenting a conditional use permit request submitted by Nipomo New Beginnings

1184
01:55:26,890 --> 01:55:32,110
Community Church of the Nazarene for the establishment of a religious facility on a parcel that is

1185
01:55:32,110 --> 01:55:34,230
less than 20,000 square feet in size.

1186
01:55:34,230 --> 01:55:41,830
The proposed project includes demolition of an existing 2057 square foot structure, known as Building B,

1187
01:55:42,590 --> 01:55:48,890
and interior and exterior renovations to an existing 1943 square foot building A.

1188
01:55:49,930 --> 01:55:57,550
The project will also include on- and off-site improvements to ensure compliance with parking, utilities, access, and circulation requirements.

1189
01:55:57,550 --> 01:56:05,440
shown here is the vicinity map with the project parcel outlined in red. The project site is located

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01:56:05,440 --> 01:56:11,100
north east of Highway 101 near the intersection of West Teft Street and North Thompson Avenue.

1191
01:56:11,860 --> 01:56:15,940
Primary access to the site will be taken directly from North Thompson Avenue.

1192
01:56:18,480 --> 01:56:23,640
Next we have the land use category map which highlights the zoning and surrounding land uses of

1193
01:56:23,640 --> 01:56:28,960
the project site. The project site is within a commercial retail land use category and is located

1194
01:56:28,960 --> 01:56:33,820
entirely within the Nipomo Urban Reserve Line and the Nipomo Central Business District.

1195
01:56:34,560 --> 01:56:39,060
Surrounding land uses include commercial retail zoning, immediately adjacent to the north,

1196
01:56:39,360 --> 01:56:45,260
south, and west, and residential multi-family zoning to the east, which is buffered by the project

1197
01:56:45,260 --> 01:56:48,960
from the project site by an intervening alleyway at the rear.

1198
01:56:51,460 --> 01:56:53,360
This slide represents an aerial image

1199
01:56:53,360 --> 01:56:58,460
of the project site and its surrounding area. The next slide will show a zoomed inversion of

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01:56:58,460 --> 01:56:59,340
of the same image.

1201
01:57:01,740 --> 01:57:03,880
So the site is accessed from North Thompson Avenue

1202
01:57:03,880 --> 01:57:05,980
where an existing driveway provides entry.

1203
01:57:06,660 --> 01:57:08,820
Currently the parking area is unpaved

1204
01:57:08,820 --> 01:57:10,600
and lacks designated spaces,

1205
01:57:11,400 --> 01:57:13,540
which will be addressed as part of the proposed improvements.

1206
01:57:14,300 --> 01:57:15,840
There are two existing buildings again.

1207
01:57:16,020 --> 01:57:18,600
Building A is located in the Northwest portion of the site

1208
01:57:18,600 --> 01:57:22,160
and will be demolished and building A situated

1209
01:57:22,160 --> 01:57:24,000
in the southeast portion of the site will remain.

1210
01:57:28,130 --> 01:57:30,870
Here we have the site plan is provided by the applicant.

1211
01:57:30,870 --> 01:57:36,890
Please note for this image, Thompson Avenue and the site access are on the left side of the site plan there.

1212
01:57:37,370 --> 01:57:43,190
The proposed parking layout will provide a total of 23 spaces including two accessible spaces.

1213
01:57:43,890 --> 01:57:49,390
Frontage improvements along Thompson Avenue will complete the project side with curb, gutter, and sidewalk.

1214
01:57:50,130 --> 01:57:53,270
And landscaping will enhance the visual character of the site.

1215
01:57:55,480 --> 01:58:00,940
The applicant has submitted a preliminary landscaping plan which incorporates key design elements and

1216
01:58:00,940 --> 01:58:03,360
compliance with local guidelines and standards.

1217
01:58:04,120 --> 01:58:07,580
Street trees have been strategically placed to screen the parking lot,

1218
01:58:07,980 --> 01:58:12,460
trash enclosure area, and building A, improving aesthetics along North Thompson Avenue.

1219
01:58:13,220 --> 01:58:20,980
The proposed landscaping is designed to meet the county's general landscaping standards under chapter 22.16 of the inland land use ordinance.

1220
01:58:21,520 --> 01:58:24,840
And the NAPOMO Mesa water conservation area landscape standards.

1221
01:58:25,460 --> 01:58:30,920
At the time of building permit review, the final landscape plans will be required to demonstrate full compliance with these regulations.

1222
01:58:34,120 --> 01:58:39,080
As shown previously on the landscaping plan and in this parking plan here, the project

1223
01:58:39,080 --> 01:58:41,440
includes 23 on-site parking stalls.

1224
01:58:42,100 --> 01:58:46,640
Additionally, there is at least one planted tree at an interval of at least every three

1225
01:58:46,640 --> 01:58:51,760
parking spaces, aligning with the old town Nippomo design guidelines to enhance visual appeal

1226
01:58:51,760 --> 01:58:53,500
and soften the built environment.

1227
01:58:58,010 --> 01:59:03,430
This slide presents the proposed floor plan for building A. Several interior modifications

1228
01:59:03,430 --> 01:59:08,670
are planned, including revisions of the interior walls, doors, and windows to optimize the layout.

1229
01:59:09,390 --> 01:59:14,450
Key improvements include construction of a new stage with an ADA compliant ramp for accessibility,

1230
01:59:15,130 --> 01:59:18,870
a slightly expanded office space to better serve operational needs,

1231
01:59:19,550 --> 01:59:22,930
two ADA compliant restrooms to accommodate facility users,

1232
01:59:23,610 --> 01:59:28,850
and a flexible seating arrangement using folding chairs, allowing for adaptability and space usage

1233
01:59:28,850 --> 01:59:31,030
without any permanent fixed seating.

1234
01:59:31,030 --> 01:59:32,070
This

1235
01:59:35,340 --> 01:59:38,680
slide presents the building elevations for the proposed project.

1236
01:59:39,060 --> 01:59:43,640
As condition, the project will require compliance with the architectural design guidelines outlined

1237
01:59:43,640 --> 01:59:45,500
in the old town NAPOMO design plan.

1238
01:59:45,940 --> 01:59:49,880
These guidelines ensure that the project maintains compatibility with the surrounding area

1239
01:59:49,880 --> 01:59:52,060
and enhances the community's visual character.

1240
01:59:52,780 --> 01:59:56,340
As a condition of approval, these design guidelines will be reviewed during the building permit

1241
01:59:56,340 --> 01:59:59,960
review process to confirm compliance with all applicable design standards.

1242
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:01,160
Public

1243
02:00:04,390 --> 02:00:23,570
improvements along Thompson Avenue frontage will complete the existing sidewalk profile to public improvement standards for an urban street section. New driveway will, well, the existing driveway will be enhanced and will be installed with necessary pedestrian easements conditioned by the public works department.

1244
02:00:26,080 --> 02:00:34,960
An adjustment of the minimum site area standards required by Landish ordinance section 22.30.400 religious facilities is justified.

1245
02:00:34,960 --> 02:00:38,820
because the project site has adequate space to accommodate the proposed use.

1246
02:00:39,680 --> 02:00:42,380
The existing building is well suited for the intended purpose.

1247
02:00:42,740 --> 02:00:46,580
Parking arrangements, one sure that parking needs are met without impacting the surrounding area.

1248
02:00:47,320 --> 02:00:52,340
And these conditions make the standard minimum site area of 20,000 square feet unnecessary in this case.

1249
02:00:52,780 --> 02:00:57,760
As the proposed site and vicinity can effectively support the use without negative impacts to the community.

1250
02:01:00,750 --> 02:01:03,950
The project is located in the South County Advisory Council area.

1251
02:01:03,950 --> 02:01:11,790
The project was recommended for approval by the South County Advisory Council Land use committee and it was placed on the May 20, 2024 consent agenda.

1252
02:01:12,570 --> 02:01:18,290
The full council subsequently unanimously voted or recommended approval of the project.

1253
02:01:18,790 --> 02:01:22,410
The project was also referred to the Old Town Nipomo Association.

1254
02:01:22,670 --> 02:01:30,530
The Old Town Nipomo Association reviewed the project at a meeting on March 3, 2023, but did not provide comments or a formal response.

1255
02:01:30,530 --> 02:01:31,550
I

1256
02:01:35,010 --> 02:01:43,590
should restate that I have March 3rd here, but February 7th and February 19th, where the dates, the old tenant boomer associated with the project.

1257
02:01:46,220 --> 02:01:55,660
During the project referral period, planning staff received responses from the Public Works Department, County Fire Division, Building Division, Stormwater Division, and the NAPOMO Community Services District.

1258
02:01:56,100 --> 02:02:00,020
Their responses have been included as recommended conditions of approval as appropriate.

1259
02:02:00,020 --> 02:02:18,770
The project is categorically exempt from environmental review under the California Environmental Quality Act and staff recommend approval of Conditional Use Permit N-DRC 2022-00014 based on the findings listed in exhibit A and the conditions listed in exhibit B.

1260
02:02:20,440 --> 02:02:28,140
That concludes staff's presentation. I'm available for any questions. Also available today are the applicant's team Mike Nickerson and Mark Bala Des.

1261
02:02:28,900 --> 02:02:30,080
Thank you very much.

1262
02:02:30,860 --> 02:02:32,480
Commission, any initial questions for staff?

1263
02:02:36,320 --> 02:02:38,460
One question for staff.

1264
02:02:38,660 --> 02:02:39,580
Thank you for the report.

1265
02:02:40,220 --> 02:02:43,620
What prompts bringing this to us here today?

1266
02:02:44,240 --> 02:02:49,760
Why do we need this exemption for a small religious meeting facility?

1267
02:02:50,940 --> 02:02:52,100
Yes, happy to answer that.

1268
02:02:52,560 --> 02:02:56,300
Our land use ordinance requires that for a religious facility use,

1269
02:02:56,800 --> 02:02:59,740
it requires a minimum site area of 20,000 square feet.

1270
02:02:59,740 --> 02:03:06,300
This site is under 20,000 square feet, so it requires conditional use permit approval to allow the use on the site.

1271
02:03:06,800 --> 02:03:17,460
Right, I get that, but what's the underlying thinking there that prompts some need for this exemption that we have to go through this.

1272
02:03:17,580 --> 02:03:19,700
And this has been on our docket and delayed.

1273
02:03:19,700 --> 02:03:35,560
And I'm just this may be something we want to discuss by way of cleanup when it comes to it thinking ahead of things that we don't need to be taking a lot of time on that discussion for later, but help us understand what we're doing here. Why?

1274
02:03:36,080 --> 02:03:49,780
Eric Hughes, County Planning and Building, and most simplest terms, it's part of the community plan that was prepared long ago and was a requirement, unfortunately I cannot speak to the reasoning and thought process at the time.

1275
02:03:50,400 --> 02:04:02,840
In general, just thinking about a site and a bill, amount of people that would be visiting the site, generally you would, with a church, I think you'd need a larger site for parking and facilities, noting that all churches are different.

1276
02:04:03,420 --> 02:04:08,740
but that would be my guess as to the thinking at the time, but I can't say for sure.

1277
02:04:09,340 --> 02:04:17,580
Thank you. I have a couple questions. When we first saw this a year ago, I was kind of thinking

1278
02:04:17,580 --> 02:04:21,700
this was just improvements to the church that's already there. So this is going to be a church next

1279
02:04:21,700 --> 02:04:28,080
to a church, right? Correct. There is an existing church on the corner of the intersection there.

1280
02:04:28,080 --> 02:04:32,160
And is there any like no relation prohibition?

1281
02:04:32,760 --> 02:04:35,300
I mean, how many churches can be in a row?

1282
02:04:35,520 --> 02:04:36,820
It just seems weird.

1283
02:04:37,400 --> 02:04:42,220
I don't believe there's a prohibition on the amount of churches or vicinity to one another.

1284
02:04:42,660 --> 02:04:44,820
I thought it was the anyway.

1285
02:04:45,640 --> 02:04:49,680
Is there anything in the lit?

1286
02:04:49,980 --> 02:04:55,360
I'm only asking this because I live in a row of ground and I go to the downtown row of ground

1287
02:04:55,360 --> 02:05:01,400
knew very often. And there was a land use decision years ago. There was already a church

1288
02:05:01,400 --> 02:05:05,020
in the downtown to allow that church to have another church in the downtown.

1289
02:05:06,220 --> 02:05:11,940
And they did put conditions on that you need to be lively during the week. You need to have

1290
02:05:11,940 --> 02:05:15,920
something for the community during the week. You need to have an after-school program because

1291
02:05:15,920 --> 02:05:22,580
what happens is when your whole downtown becomes churches, it's like dead except on Sundays.

1292
02:05:22,580 --> 02:05:33,640
And it's not healthy for cities, so I was just wondering, are there any additional requirements that they need to have some community outreach or something?

1293
02:05:35,080 --> 02:05:42,160
In our standard regarding religious facilities, the only standard given is the 20,000 square foot minimum site area.

1294
02:05:42,540 --> 02:05:46,380
I will say the applicant provided a list of the activities they foresee.

1295
02:05:46,380 --> 02:06:00,060
And there's, you know, a dozen or more things that are throughout the week with small groups, youth group type activities or music activities to allow the community to come throughout the week, not just on Sundays.

1296
02:06:00,500 --> 02:06:04,320
But they're not conditioned or responsible to carry forward with those.

1297
02:06:04,820 --> 02:06:07,900
Okay. All right. Thank you. Those were my two questions.

1298
02:06:07,900 --> 02:06:29,840
Okay, great, I'd like to, did you just make comment, I actually happen to know the applicant and I think their church is a pretty lively church, I think it's a Catholic church on the corner, but I think it'd be pretty active and I'm sure Mark would agree if there's two churches next together, but I can't get enough Jesus, you know, right Mark?

1299
02:06:31,800 --> 02:06:33,220
Thank you for that.

1300
02:06:34,740 --> 02:06:39,020
I'd like to invite the applicant to come forward for a presentation and maybe address those activities.

1301
02:06:40,900 --> 02:06:42,700
Is there a presentation from the applicant?

1302
02:06:47,860 --> 02:06:49,300
Only if he's comfortable speaking.

1303
02:07:01,320 --> 02:07:01,800
Good morning.

1304
02:07:03,100 --> 02:07:09,820
Some of the activities that we have done and want to continue on depending on if we have the people that can lead them.

1305
02:07:10,220 --> 02:07:13,640
Exercise class, obviously I don't go to that yet.

1306
02:07:15,680 --> 02:07:20,120
And whatever we do out of there, we always want it to be free for the community.

1307
02:07:20,760 --> 02:07:25,460
So sewing class, crochet class, counseling.

1308
02:07:27,560 --> 02:07:35,160
We have open time for the youth and guitar class.

1309
02:07:35,640 --> 02:07:40,880
So just some of those activities that we have had.

1310
02:07:41,560 --> 02:07:51,340
And there's probably a list of about, you know, 30 or so that either we've had, we have, or we're like to have, but all you can do is all you can do.

1311
02:07:52,640 --> 02:07:54,980
Appreciate that. Would you mind stating your name for the record, please?

1312
02:07:55,060 --> 02:07:58,540
Sure. Mark Valadez. Excellent. Thank you. Appreciate it.

1313
02:08:03,150 --> 02:08:05,890
That's it. That's it. Okay. I'll go out and run away until we're done.

1314
02:08:15,570 --> 02:08:17,210
Well, I didn't ask for public comment.

1315
02:08:18,430 --> 02:08:24,130
Is there any public comment on the site of my don't have any speaker slips anyone interested in speaking on this item?

1316
02:08:25,410 --> 02:08:27,830
Going, going, gone.

1317
02:08:28,410 --> 02:08:29,670
Closing public comment,

1318
02:08:32,810 --> 02:08:35,930
deliberation would you like to start being in district four?

1319
02:08:36,950 --> 02:08:46,030
Sure. I really appreciate the updates on the activities. I think churches are great land use,

1320
02:08:46,130 --> 02:08:51,390
but I just think of trying to establish a downtown and people there and people walking around,

1321
02:08:51,710 --> 02:08:58,810
and I love another place to go out to dinner and downtown Rio Grande. So, you know, it's competing

1322
02:08:58,810 --> 02:09:04,430
interests. So I really appreciate that you are going to plan to be lively and have things going on

1323
02:09:04,430 --> 02:09:09,050
and have the community in, because I'm very familiar with that area, and we need that.

1324
02:09:09,490 --> 02:09:11,370
So, yeah, I'm in support.

1325
02:09:12,890 --> 02:09:13,450
Great.

1326
02:09:13,610 --> 02:09:14,430
Any next?

1327
02:09:15,070 --> 02:09:15,590
Next.

1328
02:09:16,410 --> 02:09:16,690
Okay.

1329
02:09:17,550 --> 02:09:19,530
So, I'm also in support.

1330
02:09:19,890 --> 02:09:25,450
And I would just have us ask staff to look at updates that come along,

1331
02:09:25,450 --> 02:09:29,670
and opportunities, not to require a project like this to come to us.

1332
02:09:29,670 --> 02:09:34,270
and to remove that, consider removal of that minimum size

1333
02:09:34,270 --> 02:09:36,790
because I don't see it as necessary.

1334
02:09:37,250 --> 02:09:40,250
There are a lot of very small faith groups that meet

1335
02:09:40,250 --> 02:09:42,370
and that don't need a lot of space.

1336
02:09:42,790 --> 02:09:45,490
I live next to a church, my own a church,

1337
02:09:45,690 --> 02:09:48,030
and to your point about lively use,

1338
02:09:48,090 --> 02:09:50,210
it's fascinating to me because we're quite glad

1339
02:09:50,210 --> 02:09:52,830
when they're not there a lot as the direct neighbors.

1340
02:09:53,610 --> 02:09:55,390
So, it can go both ways.

1341
02:09:55,690 --> 02:09:57,930
So, I love hearing your point there that that can be

1342
02:09:57,930 --> 02:10:02,810
kind of a problem that way because we can experience it as direct to neighbors the other way.

1343
02:10:03,110 --> 02:10:05,310
In any case, I don't think the size is relevant.

1344
02:10:05,670 --> 02:10:09,510
I think this is a very small project that could have gone through without the time and

1345
02:10:09,510 --> 02:10:11,450
rigmarole and expense to come here.

1346
02:10:11,570 --> 02:10:13,390
I would have liked to help them move that along.

1347
02:10:13,810 --> 02:10:19,290
So if there's some way we can accomplish that in the future as the department, I'd like to see that move forward.

1348
02:10:20,130 --> 02:10:20,570
Thanks.

1349
02:10:21,230 --> 02:10:21,830
Thank you.

1350
02:10:22,190 --> 02:10:24,590
I can crew with a comment about streamlining when possible.

1351
02:10:24,890 --> 02:10:27,630
Any other comments or would someone like to make a motion?

1352
02:10:32,180 --> 02:10:35,820
I'll make the motion if I can get my

1353
02:10:37,940 --> 02:10:40,640
iPad on the right page.

1354
02:10:41,600 --> 02:10:42,820
Oh, okay, cool.

1355
02:10:42,900 --> 02:10:43,540
That will bring it up.

1356
02:10:45,720 --> 02:10:46,320
Well, I see.

1357
02:10:46,480 --> 02:10:49,360
Here's, I move to approve conditional use permit.

1358
02:10:50,200 --> 02:10:50,920
Oh, okay.

1359
02:10:51,240 --> 02:10:51,680
Yes.

1360
02:10:52,060 --> 02:10:57,520
And DRC, 2022, 0014 based on the findings listed in Exhibit A.

1361
02:10:58,260 --> 02:11:00,180
And conditions listed in Exhibit B.

1362
02:11:01,540 --> 02:11:02,380
I'll second.

1363
02:11:02,380 --> 02:11:04,700
Okay, move a motion in a second.

1364
02:11:04,980 --> 02:11:05,140
Clerk?

1365
02:11:05,880 --> 02:11:06,660
Commissioner Shaw?

1366
02:11:06,980 --> 02:11:07,380
Yes.

1367
02:11:07,660 --> 02:11:08,300
Commissioner Avala?

1368
02:11:08,780 --> 02:11:09,000
Yes.

1369
02:11:09,360 --> 02:11:09,860
Commissioner Wyatt?

1370
02:11:10,380 --> 02:11:10,540
Yes.

1371
02:11:10,860 --> 02:11:11,480
Commissioner Rihacana?

1372
02:11:11,680 --> 02:11:11,820
Yes.

1373
02:11:12,020 --> 02:11:12,600
And Chair Lieberman?

1374
02:11:12,800 --> 02:11:12,920
Yes.

1375
02:11:13,780 --> 02:11:14,940
Thank you very much.

1376
02:11:19,060 --> 02:11:20,880
You have staff a moment to rotate chairs.

1377
02:11:34,230 --> 02:11:37,490
Clerk, would you mind introducing the next hearing item, please?

1378
02:11:37,730 --> 02:11:37,950
Yes.

1379
02:11:38,470 --> 02:11:42,810
The next hearing is a hearing to consider a request by Robert Maranay for a conditional use permit

1380
02:11:43,230 --> 02:11:47,530
to allow for the construction of two separate three-story multi-family residential buildings,

1381
02:11:47,530 --> 02:11:53,830
means totally in 15,525 square feet, and consisting of 38 market rate units.

1382
02:11:54,290 --> 02:12:06,570
This is county file number N-DRC 2024-00307, and this is in support of a Zorio District 4.

1383
02:12:07,510 --> 02:12:08,830
Thank you very much.

1384
02:12:10,780 --> 02:12:13,900
Any ex partake communications by commissioners?

1385
02:12:14,480 --> 02:12:15,400
Okay, very good.

1386
02:12:16,480 --> 02:12:18,420
Are you going to introduce the staff team, please?

1387
02:12:18,720 --> 02:12:25,160
Yes, Eric Hughes planning and building presenting today, we have Senior Planner Elizabeth Rano, and in support of Super Rising Planner Kerry Brown.

1388
02:12:27,280 --> 02:12:27,740
Thank you.

1389
02:12:28,900 --> 02:12:31,380
Good morning, Chair and members of the planning commission.

1390
02:12:31,580 --> 02:12:34,540
My name is Elizabeth Rano, Senior Planner with planning and building.

1391
02:12:35,120 --> 02:12:44,860
Before you today is requested by Robert Maranite for a conditional use permit, NDRC 2020400037 Hill Street Housing.

1392
02:12:44,860 --> 02:12:52,760
The applicant is requesting a approval to construct two separate three-storey multi-family residential buildings,

1393
02:12:52,960 --> 02:12:59,900
totaling 15,525 square feet, consisting of 38 market rate residential units,

1394
02:13:00,780 --> 02:13:07,440
which include 18 one-bedding units and 22-bedding units. The project also includes on-site

1395
02:13:07,440 --> 02:13:09,140
I have memories and improvements.

1396
02:13:12,160 --> 02:13:13,360
Here's the considering map.

1397
02:13:13,820 --> 02:13:15,880
The parcel is highlighted here in yellow.

1398
02:13:17,180 --> 02:13:20,680
The project is located at by 49 Hilstery,

1399
02:13:21,000 --> 02:13:24,160
about 320 feet west of Highway 101,

1400
02:13:24,940 --> 02:13:26,280
in the community of Nipoma.

1401
02:13:30,300 --> 02:13:32,420
The project site has a designation,

1402
02:13:32,720 --> 02:13:34,840
90th designation of commercial retail,

1403
02:13:35,520 --> 02:13:38,420
and it's surrounded by commercial retail to the north,

1404
02:13:39,220 --> 02:13:47,040
commercial retail to the east, commercial retail to the south with residential multi-family

1405
02:13:47,040 --> 02:13:52,120
and residential multi-family and commercial retail to the west.

1406
02:13:55,380 --> 02:13:57,500
Here's a arrow view of the site.

1407
02:13:59,940 --> 02:14:03,900
The project will be accessed by Hill Street here to the north.

1408
02:14:06,580 --> 02:14:10,800
The project is also located in the central business district as shown here in the dotted

1409
02:14:10,800 --> 02:14:11,620
purple line.

1410
02:14:12,260 --> 02:14:21,100
In a small section of the north side of the project falls within the west half quarter design plan about a hundred feet from the front setback.

1411
02:14:24,570 --> 02:14:26,290
Here's the applicant's side plan.

1412
02:14:27,450 --> 02:14:30,610
Here on top you have a rendering of what the project will look like.

1413
02:14:31,050 --> 02:14:37,370
The project design includes a contemporary agrarian design that reflects the historical themes of the community of Nipomo.

1414
02:14:38,410 --> 02:14:43,130
And down here below is more like a floor planned overall site plan.

1415
02:14:43,130 --> 02:14:52,230
Again, here's the two buildings, one here adjacent to Hillstreet and the other towards

1416
02:14:52,230 --> 02:14:52,790
the end.

1417
02:14:53,170 --> 02:14:56,990
And then the middle is where the memories will be located.

1418
02:14:57,530 --> 02:14:59,830
And then you have parking, open.

1419
02:15:05,100 --> 02:15:05,660
This

1420
02:15:11,100 --> 02:15:35,060
is another kind of overall site plan. The top illustrates the first floor. As you can see in the purple. The purple means it's a one better unit and adjacent to that is the car part. And then here the bottom is the second and third floor floor plan, which will be compromised of two bit of new units.

1421
02:15:35,060 --> 02:15:36,160
Here

1422
02:15:38,660 --> 02:15:42,600
we have the elevations, here on top is the south elevation,

1423
02:15:45,120 --> 02:15:48,260
and here on the bottom is the north elevation.

1424
02:15:52,400 --> 02:15:56,580
Then we have the west elevation here, and the east elevation here.

1425
02:16:00,580 --> 02:16:05,420
And then here we have the, I'm wondering of the amenities proposed.

1426
02:16:06,220 --> 02:16:12,600
All residents will have access to the amenities which include picnic tables, barbecue pits,

1427
02:16:12,600 --> 02:16:22,960
It's a cover area seeding, a fire pit, and a playground for children from the ages 2 to 12 to play in.

1428
02:16:27,310 --> 02:16:29,970
Here we have a schematic of the monument sign.

1429
02:16:30,310 --> 02:16:39,670
This will be located at the entrance of the apartment complex, and then here to your right is the material and color examples.

1430
02:16:39,670 --> 02:16:40,710
The

1431
02:16:46,720 --> 02:16:50,220
project was reviewed by South County Advisory Committee.

1432
02:16:52,200 --> 02:16:55,880
They reviewed the project on September 23rd, 2024.

1433
02:16:56,540 --> 02:17:04,440
At that meeting, the applicant presented a revised project that didn't include a playground for children to play in.

1434
02:17:05,480 --> 02:17:13,220
The South County Advisory Committee approved the project with the provision that the player area will children be included as part of the project.

1435
02:17:13,220 --> 02:17:17,060
and the project has been revised accordingly.

1436
02:17:20,970 --> 02:17:24,870
The applicant is requesting a modification for the fencing and

1437
02:17:26,550 --> 02:17:31,610
for the our fencing standards to have some of the fencing around the property

1438
02:17:32,130 --> 02:17:39,890
be higher than six feet and six actions due to the topography on site.

1439
02:17:39,970 --> 02:17:44,250
The project proposes three areas to be about seven feet and

1440
02:17:44,250 --> 02:17:45,710
approximately 11 feet in height.

1441
02:17:46,710 --> 02:17:48,490
And right here to your left,

1442
02:17:48,710 --> 02:17:50,870
you can see some rendering of what that will look like.

1443
02:17:51,410 --> 02:17:53,510
There's only about three areas on the property

1444
02:17:53,510 --> 02:17:56,030
that will have higher,

1445
02:17:56,910 --> 02:17:59,850
that would exceed the height limit for the fancy standards.

1446
02:18:00,790 --> 02:18:02,910
Then here we have a little bit of a closer view

1447
02:18:03,770 --> 02:18:06,550
of rendering of what the fancy will look like.

1448
02:18:13,180 --> 02:18:16,160
The applicant is also requesting a building standard exception

1449
02:18:16,160 --> 02:18:18,620
for the small portion of the front setback

1450
02:18:18,620 --> 02:18:25,880
that falls under the West-Tef corridor design plan to allow a 30 foot setback where a zero setback

1451
02:18:25,880 --> 02:18:31,580
is required. Setf has concluded that the project satisfies the design criteria to support the setback

1452
02:18:31,580 --> 02:18:39,260
exception. Oh, I do have a typo here on my screen. It should be 30, not 35.

1453
02:18:44,880 --> 02:18:46,140
The applicant is also

1454
02:18:46,140 --> 02:18:52,440
requesting a parking modification. The proposed project includes 60 parking spaces while the ordinance

1455
02:18:52,440 --> 02:18:55,700
requirements requires the applicant to provide 61 spaces.

1456
02:18:56,280 --> 02:19:02,880
However, a waiver of one parking spaces warranted given that the project is within the central

1457
02:19:03,580 --> 02:19:09,220
business district, and it is due to its proximity to commercial uses.

1458
02:19:09,860 --> 02:19:15,040
Staff does not foresee traffic safety problems to result from the proposed modification to the

1459
02:19:15,040 --> 02:19:15,620
parking standards.

1460
02:19:20,260 --> 02:19:25,260
With that, staff recommends that you find the project statutory is sent from CQA, pursuing

1461
02:19:25,260 --> 02:19:32,520
going to the public resource code section 21-08-0.66, housing development projects, and

1462
02:19:32,520 --> 02:19:39,980
approved the conditional use permit, NDRC 234-0037, based on the finance listed in exhibit A,

1463
02:19:40,520 --> 02:19:47,600
and conditions listed in exhibit B. This concludes my presentation, and I'm available for questions.

1464
02:19:47,920 --> 02:19:50,540
The applicant is also here with our presentation as well.

1465
02:19:51,020 --> 02:19:51,300
Thank you.

1466
02:19:51,300 --> 02:20:08,740
Very good. Thank you. Any initial questions from commission to staff before we bring the applicant just want to confirm what I think I heard that we're asking for a one parking space reduction from the requirement just one is one. Yeah, thank you.

1467
02:20:08,740 --> 02:20:10,760
All right.

1468
02:20:10,980 --> 02:20:11,620
One question.

1469
02:20:11,920 --> 02:20:12,020
Okay.

1470
02:20:12,380 --> 02:20:14,280
I didn't see anything in here.

1471
02:20:14,440 --> 02:20:16,500
It sounds like these are all going to be market rate.

1472
02:20:16,780 --> 02:20:20,440
I mean, is there any predictability on that?

1473
02:20:20,680 --> 02:20:25,540
Like, it's just, I wish some of it were affordable or staff.

1474
02:20:25,860 --> 02:20:27,220
Elizabeth Martin with planning and building.

1475
02:20:27,680 --> 02:20:27,880
Yes.

1476
02:20:28,040 --> 02:20:30,780
So, you know, we did discuss that with the applicant.

1477
02:20:33,520 --> 02:20:37,620
However, I think that he will be able to explain a little bit better

1478
02:20:37,620 --> 02:20:39,420
than I can, so I'll let him explain that.

1479
02:20:39,980 --> 02:20:40,160
Thank you.

1480
02:20:41,880 --> 02:20:46,900
It's just confirming before the applicant comes up, these are rental apartments, these

1481
02:20:46,900 --> 02:20:48,700
are not for sale condominiums.

1482
02:20:49,340 --> 02:20:52,660
Yes, that's correct, so would be units for rent.

1483
02:20:53,040 --> 02:20:53,200
Okay.

1484
02:20:53,400 --> 02:20:53,520
Yeah.

1485
02:20:53,920 --> 02:20:54,220
Thank you.

1486
02:20:54,800 --> 02:20:54,960
All right.

1487
02:20:55,220 --> 02:20:55,720
Thanks, staff.

1488
02:20:56,200 --> 02:20:57,580
The applicant would like to come forward.

1489
02:20:59,460 --> 02:20:59,860
Got

1490
02:21:05,550 --> 02:21:06,510
to start the show down here.

1491
02:21:18,580 --> 02:21:18,760
All right.

1492
02:21:18,920 --> 02:21:19,880
Good morning, commission members.

1493
02:21:19,880 --> 02:21:26,700
C.J. Horseman, Hab Design Group, representing the applicant, and yeah, this is a project

1494
02:21:26,700 --> 02:21:30,540
we've been excited about. We've been working on it for I think two to three years now,

1495
02:21:31,060 --> 02:21:35,560
and I'm excited to introduce you to it. Elizabeth did a great job with kind of a lot of

1496
02:21:35,560 --> 02:21:39,860
the details, but I have a few points I wanted to emphasize as we get into it.

1497
02:21:41,340 --> 02:21:46,600
This kind of, here's a kind of an overall exhibit. This is very similar to the presentation

1498
02:21:46,600 --> 02:21:52,300
I gave it the South County Advisory Committee, but our site's this really narrow strip adjacent

1499
02:21:52,300 --> 02:21:57,020
to the Mesa Trails project, which is going to be another large housing project with affordable

1500
02:21:57,020 --> 02:22:04,900
housing and market rate mixture. We're in that commercial zoning there, but with the kind of

1501
02:22:04,900 --> 02:22:12,040
step up or the kind of step up zoning that we're looking at to the existing zoning directly adjacent

1502
02:22:12,040 --> 02:22:17,220
to our site. We found it appropriate to look at a residential project here. We're close to all

1503
02:22:17,220 --> 02:22:23,560
those goods and services which were developed across Hill Street and our site is tricky.

1504
02:22:24,540 --> 02:22:29,200
It gets the hill for Hill Street and there's a little bump in the back so some of those things

1505
02:22:29,200 --> 02:22:38,140
come up as well. Here's another kind of rendering just for site orientation adjacent to that Mesa

1506
02:22:38,140 --> 02:22:42,340
a trail development. We put in the massing for the, they aren't those yellow buildings,

1507
02:22:42,500 --> 02:22:49,880
they look a lot better than that. But just for scale of context, our site and design is

1508
02:22:49,880 --> 02:22:57,080
kind of appropriately scaled with that project. So again, here's kind of a graphic here.

1509
02:22:57,380 --> 02:23:02,060
Our narrow site consists of two buildings and some common there between the two.

1510
02:23:02,540 --> 02:23:08,020
The site steps as it hill street there on the left side of the screen as it steps up.

1511
02:23:08,140 --> 02:23:10,120
the hill building B is kind of at the top,

1512
02:23:10,380 --> 02:23:12,720
building A's at the bottom, and then Mesa trails

1513
02:23:13,380 --> 02:23:16,520
is to the top of the page and kind of goes down into the hill

1514
02:23:16,520 --> 02:23:18,440
as well as it heads towards Highway 101.

1515
02:23:19,420 --> 02:23:23,140
We wanted to orient the site with a couple considerations

1516
02:23:23,140 --> 02:23:25,540
to the residents and Elizabeth covered one of those.

1517
02:23:25,880 --> 02:23:29,140
The design standard would want this building to be

1518
02:23:29,140 --> 02:23:31,600
right up on the front edge of Hill Street on the left side.

1519
02:23:32,260 --> 02:23:35,020
We didn't really think that was best use for residential.

1520
02:23:35,300 --> 02:23:37,320
That would be more if you had a business component

1521
02:23:37,320 --> 02:23:51,380
or something up front, so we wanted to pool the building back and increase our front set back to 30 feet from Hill Street, and we also wanted to get the buildings as far from the noise of the highways possible, so pulling those to the south end of the site there as well.

1522
02:23:53,910 --> 02:24:06,870
Some highlights of the architectural character, you have a gradient style, massing and design language, private yards on the ground floor, private decks on the upper floors to provide open space for every residents.

1523
02:24:07,550 --> 02:24:11,570
So, you know, it's a taller building, it steps up the hill, so we needed to break that

1524
02:24:11,570 --> 02:24:17,370
massing up with these gable ends and really provide some architectural interest.

1525
02:24:17,930 --> 02:24:21,370
When we went to South County Advisory Committee, we got the feedback that this was feeling

1526
02:24:21,370 --> 02:24:23,810
appropriate for the community as far as the design.

1527
02:24:25,050 --> 02:24:30,050
Getting into the density and concession discussion, so with any housing project, this is where

1528
02:24:30,050 --> 02:24:30,410
we start.

1529
02:24:30,550 --> 02:24:31,610
We start with test fitting.

1530
02:24:32,230 --> 02:24:35,010
What can fit on the site, what's appropriate for the site.

1531
02:24:35,810 --> 02:24:48,610
So, we had these before we came to application and when we were starting to test fit this site given our narrow profile, the amount of site frontage that is required for access and parking really pushes us into a buildable area.

1532
02:24:49,150 --> 02:25:01,250
That's fairly narrow to the backside. So, when we start talking about concessions and going for more units, which is what you do for affordable housing, the only way we could really accomplish that on this site is to build up.

1533
02:25:01,250 --> 02:25:05,930
So rather than a three-story profile looking at a four-story, once you get into construction

1534
02:25:05,930 --> 02:25:11,550
on that, you're looking, you're moving from a type five standard construction to then

1535
02:25:11,550 --> 02:25:13,850
a podium with a type five over it.

1536
02:25:14,110 --> 02:25:20,870
That increases the cost to develop these units per door, which makes the project a little

1537
02:25:20,870 --> 02:25:26,690
bit unfeasible from whether this will be built, it's not being proposed by like a housing

1538
02:25:26,690 --> 02:25:28,010
authority or something like that.

1539
02:25:28,130 --> 02:25:29,410
So this is a private development.

1540
02:25:29,410 --> 02:25:34,750
And then it includes some complications on the site with retaining and stuff.

1541
02:25:35,090 --> 02:25:42,710
So feedback we got on the massing of a four-story building or more, we're not great working with staff.

1542
02:25:42,710 --> 02:25:50,890
We kind of talked this through because more than it's and affordability is great, but in this site just we're very tight there.

1543
02:25:50,910 --> 02:25:55,430
And we're also adjacent to a large affordable housing development to the north.

1544
02:25:55,430 --> 02:26:11,250
So that came up during SDRC as well with the concerns that the concessions, which often is parking, so we'll get pushed out to the street for that project are we coming in and with a project that's going to have same problems and push parking on the streets.

1545
02:26:12,050 --> 02:26:19,590
So all these factors weighing in to our decision to continue this market rate and not ask for any except for one parking space design exceptions.

1546
02:26:21,010 --> 02:26:25,510
to get more density or to do an affordable housing project as well.

1547
02:26:27,350 --> 02:26:29,810
So what you end up with is 38 units,

1548
02:26:29,830 --> 02:26:34,930
kind of almost as close to ride up the fairway as you can get a housing project in the county,

1549
02:26:35,050 --> 02:26:37,570
with a couple little concessions here and there.

1550
02:26:39,230 --> 02:26:42,990
There's like three overlapping design standards that I'll talk to the site.

1551
02:26:43,190 --> 02:26:46,850
So you have the county standards, the community standards in the west half corridor.

1552
02:26:46,850 --> 02:26:54,630
So we're navigating that tight area, the bottom line is we got 38 units in 60s parking spaces

1553
02:26:54,630 --> 02:26:59,610
and we had CAC was very supportive of the project as proposed.

1554
02:27:00,430 --> 02:27:03,330
Elizabeth touched on this but we brought back in that playground element.

1555
02:27:03,330 --> 02:27:07,790
There was some concern feedback from the community that due to the, you know,

1556
02:27:08,030 --> 02:27:10,710
parks in the community needing some improvement.

1557
02:27:11,050 --> 02:27:14,350
Having an onsite area for the kids of the play would be very beneficial.

1558
02:27:14,350 --> 02:27:17,190
So we're happy to bring that back into the project there.

1559
02:27:18,830 --> 02:27:24,730
I'm available as well as representative from Property Management as well for questions, but I appreciate your time.

1560
02:27:25,170 --> 02:27:25,390
Thank you.

1561
02:27:26,090 --> 02:27:27,070
Thank you very much.

1562
02:27:27,370 --> 02:27:30,090
Any questions regarding the presentation?

1563
02:27:30,550 --> 02:27:32,130
One question on parking.

1564
02:27:32,650 --> 02:27:37,030
I see you have some garages and some surface parking.

1565
02:27:37,410 --> 02:27:43,050
I'm just curious how you're allocating the garage parking in the surface parking.

1566
02:27:43,670 --> 02:27:52,690
Yeah, you have to look at the application. But there's a requirement for some of those spaces to be guest spaces. I think eight of those spaces are guests. Those would be surface spaces.

1567
02:27:53,110 --> 02:28:00,110
And then each unit, it's like 1.5 parking spaces per unit. That'll be something with property management have to work out.

1568
02:28:00,330 --> 02:28:06,870
Obviously each unit at least gets one. Maybe the two the two bedroom units get to and there's a mixture within there.

1569
02:28:06,870 --> 02:28:15,110
Right? As far as half spaces, you know, just how that works and covered garage versus surface.

1570
02:28:15,650 --> 02:28:31,290
So it's not substantial to this project or support for the project, but I was kind of curious whether there would be a potential extra charge or some optionality on the garage provided to pick the garage parking versus this uncovered.

1571
02:28:31,290 --> 02:28:38,530
Yeah. Definitely. Yeah, because I'm not sure how much we're seeing that in the county. So some curiosity is there that we could be.

1572
02:28:41,050 --> 02:28:42,330
So for me.

1573
02:28:42,910 --> 02:28:44,330
Just watch it for the red light. Thank you.

1574
02:28:44,970 --> 02:28:46,230
I just had one question.

1575
02:28:47,550 --> 02:28:57,870
What is market rate? You know, you won't, you don't know when exactly you'll build, but like what would it be today for like one bedroom, two bedroom in this area? What would you charge?

1576
02:28:58,950 --> 02:29:03,490
That's something that I don't have current data on necessarily.

1577
02:29:04,510 --> 02:29:07,770
Is that something Mary, you're looking at, do you have anything on there?

1578
02:29:09,480 --> 02:29:09,620
Yeah.

1579
02:29:10,200 --> 02:29:10,640
If you'd like.

1580
02:29:11,020 --> 02:29:11,140
Yeah.

1581
02:29:11,920 --> 02:29:14,880
This is Mary, along with the property management.

1582
02:29:15,100 --> 02:29:16,380
So she might be able to speak that a little bit more.

1583
02:29:16,380 --> 02:29:17,340
Mary, come on.

1584
02:29:20,140 --> 02:29:22,280
Good morning, members of the commission.

1585
02:29:22,520 --> 02:29:26,740
My name is Mary Wong, representing the applicant, Robert, Mary and I.

1586
02:29:26,740 --> 02:29:32,240
Okay, so the question was on market rate, so we started looking into that and what we're

1587
02:29:32,240 --> 02:29:41,640
seeing is probably in the mid to low $3 a foot.

1588
02:29:42,980 --> 02:29:49,540
This is a project that will be professionally managed, so we're consulting with these

1589
02:29:49,540 --> 02:29:54,700
parties who are more familiar with what's going on in the market and this is what we've been

1590
02:29:54,700 --> 02:29:55,380
informed today.

1591
02:29:55,380 --> 02:29:59,520
Okay, and what just remind me like what's a um

1592
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:29,500
One bedroom. Square footage wise. To one bedroom, it's about 530 to two bedrooms are about 830 square feet. Okay, I just and I won't hold you to that number. Anything I think is just important for people to hear. That, you know, these are one and two bedroom apartments, maybe young person starting out, maybe a single parent and we're talking 1600 a month for a one bedroom and 2500.

1593
02:30:30,680 --> 02:30:35,940
I just think it's important for the public to know that, especially those of us who bought our homes a long time ago.

1594
02:30:36,120 --> 02:30:42,280
What's going on for the young people, or just people trying to break in the market, but thank you.

1595
02:30:42,740 --> 02:30:43,100
Thank you.

1596
02:30:47,130 --> 02:30:50,370
Okay, don't have any speaker slips for public comment.

1597
02:30:50,850 --> 02:30:58,350
Is there anyone in the audience that wishes to speak on the item and sold closing public comment?

1598
02:31:01,460 --> 02:31:04,300
So we're going to start commission deliberation, go ahead.

1599
02:31:04,880 --> 02:31:06,600
I'm ready to make a motion whenever.

1600
02:31:08,140 --> 02:31:17,860
She's ready, okay, me too, but just want to say this is a case where we've got a commercial retail site in the downtown core.

1601
02:31:18,500 --> 02:31:26,340
And this is just what we've expressed we want to see with opportunities for housing here and fairly dense housing.

1602
02:31:26,340 --> 02:31:31,980
It was very helpful to understand kind of the thinking on adding units and getting some

1603
02:31:31,980 --> 02:31:37,360
of those affordable for some of the density bonus allowances and the challenges you

1604
02:31:37,360 --> 02:31:38,800
face and trade-offs there.

1605
02:31:39,140 --> 02:31:43,800
So would have left to see that if we could have, but understand that added cost for the

1606
02:31:43,800 --> 02:31:50,060
extra stories and the challenges then with community support that can erode when that gets too

1607
02:31:50,060 --> 02:31:51,080
tall and too dense.

1608
02:31:51,080 --> 02:31:56,800
So I think you've hit a nice balance here, thrilled to support it, and I hope we're going to see more.

1609
02:31:57,720 --> 02:31:59,840
Very good. Would you like to make a motion?

1610
02:32:00,040 --> 02:32:10,920
Sure, I'll make a motion that we approve conditional use permit and DRC 2024, 0-0-0-3-7, based on the findings listed in exhibit A and conditions listed in exhibit B.

1611
02:32:11,560 --> 02:32:12,540
And I'll second the motion.

1612
02:32:13,420 --> 02:32:13,680
Very good.

1613
02:32:14,360 --> 02:32:14,460
Clerk.

1614
02:32:15,960 --> 02:32:16,800
Commissioner Shaw?

1615
02:32:17,180 --> 02:32:17,580
Yes.

1616
02:32:17,840 --> 02:32:18,460
Commissioner Avala?

1617
02:32:18,700 --> 02:32:18,860
Yes.

1618
02:32:18,860 --> 02:32:22,560
Commissioner White, Commissioner Recona, and Chair Lieberman.

1619
02:32:22,840 --> 02:32:24,620
Yes, thank you.

1620
02:32:26,840 --> 02:32:28,740
Okay, that concludes that item.

1621
02:32:29,500 --> 02:32:33,460
It looks like we have two items remaining.

1622
02:32:33,760 --> 02:32:38,940
We're scheduled to break for lunch for commission and staff from 12 to 130.

1623
02:32:39,280 --> 02:32:44,800
I'd like to propose that we break now and come back at 115.

1624
02:32:46,180 --> 02:32:55,200
I don't know, I'd vote for a shorter lunch if other listeners are amenable, that we would be okay with 1230 if other commissioners are to come back to it.

1625
02:32:55,200 --> 02:32:55,280
Good.

1626
02:32:55,860 --> 02:32:57,620
All right, folks, thank you for your patience.

1627
02:32:57,760 --> 02:32:58,880
We will be back at 1230.

1628
02:33:04,350 --> 02:33:04,610
Okay.

1629
02:33:06,720 --> 02:33:07,240
We are.

1630
02:33:07,880 --> 02:33:08,280
Okay.

1631
02:33:09,080 --> 02:33:10,460
We've got a little excited there.

1632
02:33:13,020 --> 02:33:15,880
All right, we're picking up hearing item 8.

1633
02:33:17,080 --> 02:33:18,520
Can you introduce the item, please?

1634
02:33:18,520 --> 02:33:23,180
Yes, that is a hearing to consider a request by the Cambria Community Services District

1635
02:33:23,180 --> 02:33:28,440
for a development plan and coastal development permit to allow for the continued operation

1636
02:33:28,840 --> 02:33:34,440
of the water reclamation facility previously approved to operate on an emergency basis pursuant

1637
02:33:34,440 --> 02:33:36,560
to the emergency coastal development permit.

1638
02:33:37,120 --> 02:33:47,820
That file number is ZON 2013-00589 and the land use application county file number is

1639
02:33:47,820 --> 02:33:54,760
with DRC 2013-001112, and the project is in Supervisorial District 2.

1640
02:33:56,240 --> 02:33:57,960
Thank you very much.

1641
02:33:59,860 --> 02:34:02,820
How about disclosure of expartee communications?

1642
02:34:03,040 --> 02:34:04,020
Let's start to my left.

1643
02:34:05,140 --> 02:34:07,980
I did go out and get a site with the applicants.

1644
02:34:10,840 --> 02:34:14,380
Yes, I had a Zoom with the head of the CSD.

1645
02:34:16,990 --> 02:34:18,590
Yep, got a few.

1646
02:34:20,210 --> 02:34:27,630
I've spoken by phone multiple times with Tina and Dickison and including 223 and 224.

1647
02:34:28,250 --> 02:34:34,230
I had an on-site meeting there with Commissioner Avala on Friday the 13th with Mass View, Trish

1648
02:34:34,230 --> 02:34:40,090
then Eric, Madden, Jim from CCSD and Ryan Moroney, Coastal Commission staff.

1649
02:34:40,090 --> 02:34:51,290
So, I've also spoken with other community residents, Chris and Mark Landgren, my sister Amy Wyatt and brother-in-law Kalm Eisner, and up Creek, Nager, or John Crowther.

1650
02:34:54,320 --> 02:34:55,460
That was quite a bit.

1651
02:34:57,450 --> 02:34:59,830
This has come up a little bit, yeah.

1652
02:35:03,430 --> 02:35:11,510
Yes, I met with Mr. McEleney with the Cambridge CSD on Friday the 20th and that's the extent of my communications.

1653
02:35:12,270 --> 02:35:13,730
So thanks, everyone, for that.

1654
02:35:14,870 --> 02:35:17,270
Staff, would you like to introduce the project team?

1655
02:35:18,750 --> 02:35:24,050
Yes, good afternoon, Eric Hughes, current planning, presenting this item.

1656
02:35:24,150 --> 02:35:26,430
We have Senior Planner, Jeremy Freund, and support.

1657
02:35:26,650 --> 02:35:31,390
We have Supervising Planner, Shell Crew, myself, Eric Hughes, Deputy Director, Mark LaRue,

1658
02:35:31,830 --> 02:35:35,830
and of course, Public Works and County Council, and I would just note that the applicant

1659
02:35:35,830 --> 02:35:37,270
also has a team here as well.

1660
02:35:37,550 --> 02:35:37,750
Thank you.

1661
02:35:39,150 --> 02:35:39,770
Thank you.

1662
02:35:39,770 --> 02:35:40,690
Good

1663
02:35:43,150 --> 02:35:46,790
afternoon, Chairman Lehman and members of the commission.

1664
02:35:47,190 --> 02:35:49,910
My name is Jeremy Frind, the project manager of the county.

1665
02:35:50,770 --> 02:35:53,810
And this afternoon, I'll be presenting an overview of the proposed project.

1666
02:35:55,530 --> 02:36:01,250
This project has been a long-term making back in January of 2014.

1667
02:36:01,930 --> 02:36:03,570
The state declared emergency drought.

1668
02:36:04,250 --> 02:36:10,210
Cambria CSD followed up in March of 2014, their own declared emergency stage three.

1669
02:36:10,210 --> 02:36:17,450
Subsequently, it was determined in May of 2014 that they applied for a emergency coastal

1670
02:36:17,450 --> 02:36:24,310
development permit for the construction of the emergency water services project.

1671
02:36:26,670 --> 02:36:32,650
Upon a review and submittal approval of that permit, they subsequently applied for the

1672
02:36:32,650 --> 02:36:40,730
the coastal development permit and development plan in 2014, construction started in 2014

1673
02:36:40,730 --> 02:36:49,850
and completed in 2016. During that process the initial review and development of the subsequent

1674
02:36:49,850 --> 02:36:56,470
environmental impact report was reviewed and adopted and certified by the district in July

1675
02:36:56,470 --> 02:37:09,430
of 2017. A subsequent addendum EIR was reviewed and approved by the Districts Board July of 2025.

1676
02:37:16,400 --> 02:37:23,360
As mentioned before, this project started out as an emergency water supply project known as EWSP.

1677
02:37:24,280 --> 02:37:30,880
The project components included the advanced water treatment plant, insulation of new pipelines,

1678
02:37:30,880 --> 02:37:36,560
mine's modification on an existing reservoir from an affluent storage basin to a brine

1679
02:37:36,560 --> 02:37:42,240
evaporation pond, construction of four monitoring and recharge wells, installation of various

1680
02:37:42,240 --> 02:37:47,940
electrical facilities, and improvement to an existing project access road.

1681
02:37:53,240 --> 02:38:00,000
Since then, the construction, there have been modifications to the EWSP, and it's been converted

1682
02:38:00,000 --> 02:38:03,460
to what's now called the water reclamation facility, WRF.

1683
02:38:03,460 --> 02:38:10,280
those modifications include the removal facilities from the Van Gordon Reservoir,

1684
02:38:10,760 --> 02:38:17,720
installation of the ZLD facility, which is called the Zero Liquid Discharge Facility,

1685
02:38:18,280 --> 02:38:24,040
an extension of a discharge pipeline, construction of driveway improvements,

1686
02:38:25,860 --> 02:38:34,640
additionally, as a summary of the impact of the site to serve area between the already built facility

1687
02:38:34,640 --> 02:38:40,160
and proposed changes would be a total disturbance of 4.17 acres and a community

1688
02:38:40,160 --> 02:38:44,880
leading in approximately 500 cubic yards a cut and fill. The project also,

1689
02:38:45,840 --> 02:38:51,120
as modified as proposing to be operation up to 24 hours a day, five days a week,

1690
02:38:51,300 --> 02:38:58,220
for seven months, during the prolonged dry season. And there'll be further discussion

1691
02:38:58,220 --> 02:39:01,680
and information regarding what defined dry season is.

1692
02:39:06,790 --> 02:39:08,310
The proposed project is located

1693
02:39:08,310 --> 02:39:15,170
located at 990, San Simeon Creek Road, approximately 0.65 miles north of the Cambria Urban Reserve Line.

1694
02:39:15,810 --> 02:39:21,530
And approximately 1.23 miles south of the San Simeon Urban Reserve Line.

1695
02:39:22,810 --> 02:39:29,850
Look, it's additionally located east of Highway 1, and shown on the map here, the project

1696
02:39:29,850 --> 02:39:35,970
is located adjacent to the San Simeon State Park and Campgrounds.

1697
02:39:35,970 --> 02:39:36,710
The

1698
02:39:42,760 --> 02:39:50,140
property is located within the agricultural land use category and is located within the coastal zone.

1699
02:39:51,100 --> 02:40:02,760
The project is also surrounded by recreational zone to the east, west and south of the project and there's also additional agricultural zone to the north.

1700
02:40:02,760 --> 02:40:03,740
This

1701
02:40:06,740 --> 02:40:12,320
is an arrow of the existing site, as mentioned previously the project is surrounded

1702
02:40:12,320 --> 02:40:16,180
by recreational uses and agricultural uses.

1703
02:40:18,460 --> 02:40:20,500
The project site is approximately 95 acres.

1704
02:40:27,610 --> 02:40:35,910
The original project, emergency permit project, included the following project components

1705
02:40:35,910 --> 02:40:38,870
that's previously discussed and shown on this aerial.

1706
02:40:38,870 --> 02:40:54,110
We have the advance wire treatment plant installation of various pipelines that connect between the plant and the pond and discharge locations construction of four monitoring and recharge well,

1707
02:40:54,370 --> 02:40:59,770
monitoring wells and recharge wells, the utilities as well as improvements to the access road.

1708
02:40:59,770 --> 02:40:59,770
So

1709
02:41:01,940 --> 02:41:13,040
the WRF project now does include these, as I mentioned before, modifications to the emergency water project.

1710
02:41:13,400 --> 02:41:17,700
And those, again, are identified as removal of facilities within the pond,

1711
02:41:19,220 --> 02:41:27,660
proposed installation of the ZLD facility, extension of a discharge pipeline and

1712
02:41:27,660 --> 02:41:30,540
further improvements of the frontage driveway.

1713
02:41:30,540 --> 02:41:31,440
The

1714
02:41:37,040 --> 02:41:41,540
project, as conditioned, complies with all applicable regulations and standards and

1715
02:41:41,540 --> 02:41:43,960
no variances have been requested required.

1716
02:41:44,440 --> 02:41:48,740
The project is consistent with the county's plans and policies, meets all required findings,

1717
02:41:49,300 --> 02:41:53,900
and has undergone sufficient environmental review, pursuant to the California Environmental Quality Act.

1718
02:41:54,640 --> 02:42:01,440
The project complies with CZLEO standards regarding sensitive resource areas and

1719
02:42:01,440 --> 02:42:09,580
ESHA. ESHA includes wetlands, marine, terrestrial, habitat protection, streams, and riparian vegetation.

1720
02:42:10,280 --> 02:42:17,640
The project has been conditioned to avoid or mitigate impacts to SRAs and ESHA habitats.

1721
02:42:19,350 --> 02:42:25,140
Based on the required mitigation monitoring plan and the implementation of the adaptive

1722
02:42:25,140 --> 02:42:29,960
of management plan known as AMP, the project complies with the CZL standards.

1723
02:42:32,840 --> 02:42:38,400
Project also complies with CZL site design standards for setbacks,

1724
02:42:38,680 --> 02:42:46,040
height, outdoor lighting, and aesthetics, as well as approved grading and drainage analysis.

1725
02:42:48,670 --> 02:42:54,070
The project does fall within the North Coast area plan.

1726
02:42:54,070 --> 02:43:02,250
The project complies with Narcos area plan, community wide standards, which include circulation, site design, near sensitive resource areas.

1727
02:43:03,010 --> 02:43:14,490
Project is conditioned to avoid and minimize impacts to resources by the implementation of the mitigation monitoring reporting plan, as well as the adaptive management plan.

1728
02:43:14,490 --> 02:43:15,270
As

1729
02:43:18,280 --> 02:43:21,440
further information, the project does comply with the local coastal plan,

1730
02:43:22,520 --> 02:43:27,700
regarding recreation and visitor serving and visual and scenic resources.

1731
02:43:28,700 --> 02:43:33,860
As condition, the project will meet and comply with those policies.

1732
02:43:34,360 --> 02:43:42,560
The project is located near recreational areas and will not have impacts to existing recreational and visitor serving facilities.

1733
02:43:42,560 --> 02:43:48,860
The project does provide necessary screening and

1734
02:43:48,860 --> 02:43:53,560
fencing, as well as lighting standards and aesthetics to

1735
02:43:54,700 --> 02:43:57,320
comply with all medications and impacts.

1736
02:43:59,570 --> 02:44:03,870
The project avoids, regarding an environmentally sensitive

1737
02:44:03,870 --> 02:44:08,910
habitat, the project avoids impacts to Esha as conditioned.

1738
02:44:09,470 --> 02:44:13,070
And as mentioned, the compliance with the environmental

1739
02:44:13,070 --> 02:44:21,830
the Manual Review, the Medigation Monitoring Reporting Plan, and the AMP Project component.

1740
02:44:24,460 --> 02:44:35,940
In regards to public works facilities, the UWRF would initially serve and satisfy the existing connections and meet current active users.

1741
02:44:42,500 --> 02:44:48,220
The project was referred to public and state agencies, and the project was conditioned to comply with their standards.

1742
02:44:48,220 --> 02:44:53,680
The project was reviewed by the North Coast Advisory Council who

1743
02:44:53,680 --> 02:44:59,580
review and supported the project. The project did get referred to.

1744
02:45:00,620 --> 02:45:13,140
Coastal Commission, as well as other state agencies, the regional water control, water quality control board, and their conditions have been included into the conditions of approval.

1745
02:45:21,230 --> 02:45:33,550
Prior to the hearing, public comment letters were received, which are attached to the hearing agenda. In summary, six of the letters express concern and or opposition, while 18 letters express support.

1746
02:45:33,550 --> 02:45:46,770
The supportive commenters emphasize water reliability, drought resilience, environmental protection through managed groundwater levels, and to utilize the already built facility.

1747
02:45:47,850 --> 02:45:59,130
The critical comments, the critical commenters focused on items regarding additional information regarding the ZLD project.

1748
02:45:59,130 --> 02:46:05,190
CEQA, adequacy, hydrologic uncertainties, and ESHA impacts.

1749
02:46:08,180 --> 02:46:16,450
The items of concern have been reviewed and it is the staff's position that the project

1750
02:46:16,450 --> 02:46:22,170
as conditioned sufficiently addresses the public comments and is consistent with the county's

1751
02:46:22,170 --> 02:46:23,050
plans and policies.

1752
02:46:29,460 --> 02:46:38,660
During our review, there were staff recommended additional changes to the conditions of approval.

1753
02:46:38,660 --> 02:46:56,440
There were minor revisions to condition 14 and condition 23, which we're referring to a outdated regulatory permit number, as well as a correction to the CZLUL ordinance.

1754
02:46:56,440 --> 02:46:57,540
We

1755
02:46:59,870 --> 02:47:28,250
also reviewed and identified that there would be a new condition, which would be, sorry, there would be four new conditions, which three have been provided to as a staff memo to be that have been addressed, but on the screen in front of you, the new one plus the other three are going to be identified the new condition in regards to open space easement agreement that is a requirement.

1756
02:47:28,250 --> 02:47:35,910
And we'll be a requirement for any impacts to environmental biological impacts.

1757
02:47:38,480 --> 02:47:45,460
Second, there is under the journal category, the condition regarding maintaining compliance

1758
02:47:45,460 --> 02:47:50,060
with all regulatory agencies regarding regional or

1759
02:47:50,060 --> 02:47:55,120
colloidal control board, APCD, environmental health, and the county planning department.

1760
02:47:55,120 --> 02:47:56,100
The

1761
02:47:59,140 --> 02:48:06,060
additional new conditions regarding regulatory compliance is condition 41 and 42.

1762
02:48:06,620 --> 02:48:21,920
Again, that has to do with compliance with regional audit quality control board waste discharge permits as well as identifying compliance with regional audit quality control board's compliance permitting criteria for the outfall extension.

1763
02:48:21,920 --> 02:48:22,960
The

1764
02:48:32,850 --> 02:48:41,250
proposed condition 42 is a recommended revision to now, will be considered condition 46.

1765
02:48:41,730 --> 02:48:54,990
It's a condition that was applied and provided by the applicant to address the district's current water shortage emergency stages and what is considered a prolonged dry season.

1766
02:48:54,990 --> 02:49:05,790
So in front of you is what the revised condition is and I just highlighted what the primary

1767
02:49:05,790 --> 02:49:11,350
that the bigger issue of change is is further defining what a prolonged dry season is as

1768
02:49:11,350 --> 02:49:14,770
well as what this emergency stages are.

1769
02:49:22,650 --> 02:49:27,230
In summary, the project as condition complies with all applicable regulations and standards.

1770
02:49:27,230 --> 02:49:31,930
The project does not require any exceptions, modifications, waivers, or variances.

1771
02:49:32,750 --> 02:49:47,310
And therefore, staff recommends the Plan Commission find the project is consistent with the 2025 Addendum to the 2017 Subsequent Environmental Impact Report for the Cambria Water Reclamation Facility.

1772
02:49:48,330 --> 02:50:03,130
We're assuming two sections, 15162 and 15164 of the California Biomodel Quality Act, and approve the development plan and

1773
02:50:03,130 --> 02:50:11,670
the coastal development permit, DRC 2013-001112, based on the findings listed in the exhibit A and

1774
02:50:11,670 --> 02:50:16,890
the modified conditions of approval and exhibit B as modified.

1775
02:50:20,700 --> 02:50:22,380
This concludes staff's presentation.

1776
02:50:22,700 --> 02:50:28,000
We have the applicant and their project team here to present and address any additional questions.

1777
02:50:29,520 --> 02:50:30,880
Thank you very much.

1778
02:50:31,320 --> 02:50:35,960
Commissioners, any initial questions of staff before we invite the applicant's team?

1779
02:50:39,030 --> 02:50:44,090
I'm going to hold off on my specific questions until after we hear from the applicant.

1780
02:50:44,090 --> 02:50:48,410
But just to let the applicant know, I've got general questions.

1781
02:50:48,630 --> 02:50:57,150
And the public, they'll be looking for some way and on as the public comes up around the pond and how that gets changed.

1782
02:50:57,530 --> 02:51:03,430
The brain disposal, growth inducing potential, general impacts and

1783
02:51:03,430 --> 02:51:08,790
mitigations, and particularly looking for some creative mitigations that we may be able to add on here.

1784
02:51:09,150 --> 02:51:12,750
Economic, social, environmental impacts, and more in obligations.

1785
02:51:16,200 --> 02:51:17,940
All right then, thank you.

1786
02:51:18,160 --> 02:51:24,960
At this time, I'd like to invite the CSD project team to come forward and share some information with us.

1787
02:52:07,940 --> 02:52:08,420
All

1788
02:52:27,390 --> 02:52:27,870
right.

1789
02:52:29,090 --> 02:52:30,270
Good afternoon commissioners.

1790
02:52:30,650 --> 02:52:33,490
Thank you for your time, for the opportunity to present before you this afternoon.

1791
02:52:34,050 --> 02:52:37,210
My name is Matthew McLean, I'm the general manager of the Cambridge Community Service District.

1792
02:52:38,650 --> 02:52:43,910
The Water Reclamation Facility, otherwise known as the WRF, has been under review for many years and

1793
02:52:43,910 --> 02:52:47,870
over the past three years in particular, the district has worked closely with county planning

1794
02:52:47,870 --> 02:52:51,330
staff and regulatory agencies to bring the project to this point.

1795
02:52:52,170 --> 02:52:56,230
County staff has provided direction, and the district has responded through additional

1796
02:52:56,230 --> 02:53:00,390
engineering, environmental studies, and operational refinements.

1797
02:53:00,990 --> 02:53:06,690
This is included in-stream flow analysis, biological assessments, ground water evaluation, and

1798
02:53:06,690 --> 02:53:10,730
continued collaboration to ensure the project before you reflects both environmental protection

1799
02:53:11,150 --> 02:53:12,170
and community needs.

1800
02:53:12,170 --> 02:53:16,610
The project you are considering today is a result of that collaborative process.

1801
02:53:19,980 --> 02:53:22,860
Cambridge's water supply is always dependent on the sand and cement creek and

1802
02:53:22,860 --> 02:53:26,020
Santa Rosa Creek groundwater basin since 1977 and beyond.

1803
02:53:26,800 --> 02:53:31,080
These are small coastal aquifers that have historically experienced natural cycles of drought.

1804
02:53:32,080 --> 02:53:36,440
Reduced recharge and seasonal cessation of surface flow, meaning these creeks run dry.

1805
02:53:37,380 --> 02:53:40,120
These conditions are part of the watershed's natural hydrology,

1806
02:53:40,440 --> 02:53:43,200
because the aquifers directly connected to these seasonal systems.

1807
02:53:43,200 --> 02:53:49,520
drought conditions can lead to declining groundwater levels and increased vulnerability to see water intrusion.

1808
02:53:50,300 --> 02:53:55,620
The WRF was developed in response to that reality, not to increase demand, but

1809
02:53:55,620 --> 02:54:00,280
to help the community responsibly manage those natural drought cycles while protecting our basin.

1810
02:54:05,250 --> 02:54:07,650
Cambridge has been dealing with water supply limitations for decades.

1811
02:54:08,210 --> 02:54:13,350
As early as the 1990s, the district closed the residential wait list and began exploring alternative water sources,

1812
02:54:13,350 --> 02:54:19,070
recognizing the limits of a small coastal aquifer dependent on seasonal rainfall.

1813
02:54:19,850 --> 02:54:23,470
In the early 2000s, the district formally declared a water shortage emergency and

1814
02:54:23,470 --> 02:54:28,630
began long-term planning efforts, including our Water Master Plan and environmental review work.

1815
02:54:30,030 --> 02:54:35,810
By 2013 and 2014, the California experience won the driest periods on record.

1816
02:54:36,190 --> 02:54:41,850
The governor declared a statewide emergency, environmental review procedures were temporary suspended, and

1817
02:54:41,850 --> 02:54:46,230
And the district authorized the Emergency Water Supply Project, now known as the WRF.

1818
02:54:47,230 --> 02:54:49,490
To prevent the community from running out of water.

1819
02:54:50,110 --> 02:54:54,490
The facility became operational in 2015, and as an emergency response to those conditions.

1820
02:54:56,150 --> 02:54:56,710
Since

1821
02:55:00,260 --> 02:55:06,040
that time, the project has transitioned from an emergency response tool to a long-term water management tool.

1822
02:55:06,580 --> 02:55:13,220
In 2017, the storm water intrusion into the Vaporation Pond prompted the regional water control board to direct the ponds closure,

1823
02:55:13,220 --> 02:55:19,100
which began the process of modifying operations and hauling brine became the only option for brine disposal.

1824
02:55:19,700 --> 02:55:22,600
A picture of that pond will be displayed later on our presentation.

1825
02:55:23,360 --> 02:55:29,180
Between 2018 and 2023, the board directed staff to update the coastal development permit application and

1826
02:55:29,180 --> 02:55:33,600
have district re-engaged county staff and coastal commission to address outstanding issues and

1827
02:55:33,600 --> 02:55:36,180
align the project with current regulatory expectations.

1828
02:55:37,340 --> 02:55:41,860
Over the past three years, CCSD staff have responded to multiple information requests,

1829
02:55:41,860 --> 02:55:46,700
completed additional technical studies, including the in-stream flow analysis and biological assessments,

1830
02:55:47,140 --> 02:55:50,140
and refined the project description based on agency feedback.

1831
02:55:50,960 --> 02:55:56,040
In 2025, the county accepted those responses as complete, bringing us to today's hearing.

1832
02:55:56,920 --> 02:56:02,780
So after more than a decade of operating in his emergency facility, the question before you this afternoon is not why the facility was built,

1833
02:56:03,240 --> 02:56:07,460
but how it operates today, and how it could be responsibly managed moving forward.

1834
02:56:11,230 --> 02:56:16,270
The WRF is an advanced groundwater treatment and recharge system designed to improve the

1835
02:56:16,270 --> 02:56:19,850
reliability and stability of the coastal aquifer during drought conditions.

1836
02:56:20,650 --> 02:56:25,170
The facility extracts brackish groundwater, which is pulled from deep within the aquifer

1837
02:56:25,170 --> 02:56:30,230
and has a higher salt content than fresh water, treats it with advanced membrane treatment

1838
02:56:30,230 --> 02:56:35,270
process and reverse osmosis, and re-injects that high-quality water back into the aquifer

1839
02:56:35,270 --> 02:56:36,510
through injection wells.

1840
02:56:36,510 --> 02:56:40,950
The purpose of re-injection is to maintain groundwater elevations and preserve the hydraulic

1841
02:56:40,950 --> 02:56:46,790
gradient that protects our freshwater basin from saltwater intrusion and water quality

1842
02:56:46,790 --> 02:56:47,170
degradation.

1843
02:56:48,130 --> 02:56:53,350
So simply put, the treated groundwater levels stay, excuse me, the treated waters return

1844
02:56:53,350 --> 02:56:55,290
to the ground to maintain groundwater levels.

1845
02:56:55,630 --> 02:57:01,130
When groundwater levels stay healthy, it keeps the ocean water from moving inland and protects

1846
02:57:01,130 --> 02:57:04,210
the quality of the freshwater that our community relies on.

1847
02:57:05,430 --> 02:57:09,190
With that, I'm going to turn it over to our utilities manager, Mr. Jim Green.

1848
02:57:12,680 --> 02:57:14,720
Thank you, Jim Green, Kimberly C.S.D.

1849
02:57:20,860 --> 02:57:26,920
The illustration up above here is showing the importance of what the actual facility does there.

1850
02:57:27,320 --> 02:57:33,860
The hydraulic gradient between SS4 and 9P7 is orientated towards the active production area of the well field.

1851
02:57:34,300 --> 02:57:41,660
By re-injecting treated water up gradient, we are creating a controlled localized recharge mound that promotes subsurface flow

1852
02:57:41,660 --> 02:57:43,280
low back towards the extraction wells.

1853
02:57:44,400 --> 02:57:47,540
During drought conditions, when natural recharges reduced,

1854
02:57:48,180 --> 02:57:51,140
the induced gradients helps retain water within the

1855
02:57:51,140 --> 02:57:54,320
Wellsfields capture zone, rather than allow it to migrate

1856
02:57:54,320 --> 02:57:55,680
down gradient out of the system.

1857
02:57:56,560 --> 02:57:59,320
In effect, the re-injection leverages the existing gradient

1858
02:57:59,320 --> 02:58:03,500
between SS-4 and 97 to stabilize ground water levels

1859
02:58:03,500 --> 02:58:06,260
and improve drought resilience by actively recycling

1860
02:58:06,260 --> 02:58:08,440
treated water back into the aquifer.

1861
02:58:08,440 --> 02:58:22,800
In simple terms, the facility is putting highly treated water back into the aquifer to actively replenish local groundwater, stabilize water levels, and strengthen the basin's reliability during dry periods of prolonged drought.

1862
02:58:29,380 --> 02:58:34,840
And this is just an overview of our processing and different infrastructure.

1863
02:58:40,830 --> 02:58:46,730
Currently, the facility operates under an emergency coastal development permit that limits operation to the most severe stages of water shortage.

1864
02:58:47,450 --> 02:58:51,670
This means the facility can only be used once emergency conditions already exist.

1865
02:58:52,010 --> 02:58:55,670
The permit before you allows the district to operate practically on a limited basis

1866
02:58:55,970 --> 02:58:59,670
and monitor basis to prevent those emergency conditions from occurring.

1867
02:59:00,450 --> 02:59:03,730
In a small coastal aquifer, waiting till groundwater levels have already declined,

1868
02:59:03,950 --> 02:59:07,310
increases the risk of hydraulic imbalance and sea water intrusion.

1869
02:59:07,790 --> 02:59:14,890
Peractive operation allows the district to maintain aquifer stability and protect the water quality while remaining subject to monitoring and adaptive management requirements.

1870
02:59:14,890 --> 02:59:21,120
The instrument flow work evaluated whether the district operations affect habitat conditions

1871
02:59:21,120 --> 02:59:23,980
within sand, sand, and creek, van Gordon Creek and the lagoon.

1872
02:59:24,380 --> 02:59:28,600
The studies confirmed that these creeks are naturally intermittent systems, surface flows

1873
02:59:28,600 --> 02:59:33,140
commonly declined during late summer and fall, and in many years portions of the creek naturally

1874
02:59:33,140 --> 02:59:37,560
go subsurface as groundwater recharge diminishes, meaning they run dry.

1875
02:59:38,300 --> 02:59:42,620
Seasonal cessation of surface flow is therefore a normal hydraulic condition in this watershed.

1876
02:59:42,620 --> 02:59:47,620
For their technical review, clarified that previous analysis studies and concerns about

1877
02:59:47,620 --> 02:59:51,660
the creeks assumed year-round flow conditions did not fully account for intermittent stream

1878
02:59:51,660 --> 02:59:52,080
behavior.

1879
02:59:53,020 --> 02:59:57,340
The subsequent analysis demonstrated that observed seasonal drying is primarily driven by

1880
02:59:57,340 --> 02:59:59,580
rainfall variability and basin hydrology.

1881
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:09,080
Rather than operational impacts. The project concludes monitoring adaptive management to allow operations to be adjusted if these environmental conditions approach thresholds of concern.

1882
03:00:11,350 --> 03:00:29,130
From biological standpoint, the monitoring shows that San Seaman Creek is functioning as expected for an intermittent coastal stream. As a season, excuse me, the dry season progresses, flows naturally decrease and water concentrates into deeper pools. This seasonal contraction of habitat is a normal and documented condition within this watershed.

1883
03:00:31,280 --> 03:00:32,640
What is most important is what the

1884
03:00:32,640 --> 03:00:34,060
a biological indicators show.

1885
03:00:34,640 --> 03:00:37,180
Recent monitoring documented the California Redlegged Frogs

1886
03:00:37,180 --> 03:00:38,680
present in meaningful numbers,

1887
03:00:39,140 --> 03:00:41,240
along with abundant three spine stickled back

1888
03:00:41,240 --> 03:00:42,260
throughout the remaining pools,

1889
03:00:42,980 --> 03:00:45,380
and high numbers of tidewater goby

1890
03:00:45,720 --> 03:00:47,620
in the lower reach near the lagoon.

1891
03:00:48,500 --> 03:00:51,320
Additional species observed included searing tree frogs,

1892
03:00:51,620 --> 03:00:52,540
southwestern pond turtle,

1893
03:00:52,700 --> 03:00:55,420
and a variety of waiting birds utilizing the creek corridor.

1894
03:00:56,040 --> 03:00:58,140
The continued presence and active use of habitat

1895
03:00:58,140 --> 03:01:01,500
by sensitive species such as the California Redlegged Frog,

1896
03:01:01,500 --> 03:01:06,880
drug and tied water gooby are among the strongest indicators that the system remains healthy

1897
03:01:06,880 --> 03:01:07,700
and functioning.

1898
03:01:10,160 --> 03:01:13,500
The conditions currently observed in the creek including smaller wetter areas and wildlife

1899
03:01:13,500 --> 03:01:19,080
concentrating into persistent pools have also documented, has also been documented during

1900
03:01:19,080 --> 03:01:21,200
dry periods when the WRF is not operating.

1901
03:01:21,920 --> 03:01:26,280
This indicates that current conditions are primarily driven by seasonal rainfall patterns and

1902
03:01:26,280 --> 03:01:30,360
the natural hydrology of this intermittent system rather than groundwater extraction.

1903
03:01:30,360 --> 03:01:36,140
In summary, while habitat area, while the habitat area naturally contracts during the dry season,

1904
03:01:36,660 --> 03:01:41,640
the biological monitoring demonstrates that sand-seven creek continues to support abundant native species,

1905
03:01:42,120 --> 03:01:45,080
and remains within its normal range of seasonal conditions.

1906
03:01:45,740 --> 03:01:49,780
The project includes monitoring and adaptive management to allow operations to be adjusted

1907
03:01:49,780 --> 03:01:53,000
if environmental conditions approach thresholds of concern.

1908
03:01:55,990 --> 03:02:01,050
The staff report evaluates the WRF for consistency with the local coastal program protections

1909
03:02:01,050 --> 03:02:03,630
for habitats, wet land, streams, and sensitive resources.

1910
03:02:04,250 --> 03:02:07,970
This is not a new development, but a continued operation of an existing facility

1911
03:02:07,970 --> 03:02:09,510
in previously disturbed areas.

1912
03:02:10,270 --> 03:02:12,110
With mitigation measures and adaptive management,

1913
03:02:12,270 --> 03:02:13,970
the project avoids new habitat impacts

1914
03:02:14,440 --> 03:02:17,690
and protects the lagoon, the creek, riparian areas,

1915
03:02:17,930 --> 03:02:21,030
and dependent species, while maintaining water reliability

1916
03:02:21,030 --> 03:02:22,230
for the existing community.

1917
03:02:25,720 --> 03:02:27,700
When we refer to production, we mean capability

1918
03:02:27,700 --> 03:02:29,560
rather than continuous operations.

1919
03:02:30,100 --> 03:02:32,080
The facility is designed to produce water when needed

1920
03:02:32,080 --> 03:02:36,220
to maintain groundwater elevations and preserve the freshwater gradient within the basin.

1921
03:02:37,140 --> 03:02:40,840
In practical terms, the facility helps maintain balance with the aquifer, protecting

1922
03:02:40,840 --> 03:02:45,700
the ground, drought impacts, sea water intrusion, and long-term degradation of water quality

1923
03:02:45,700 --> 03:02:47,960
while serving the existing community.

1924
03:02:51,530 --> 03:02:55,050
Brand management has been evaluated through multiple options, including some discussions

1925
03:02:55,050 --> 03:02:59,370
most recently with the county of San Luis Obispo and Lafko regarding discharging brine through

1926
03:02:59,370 --> 03:03:04,730
an existing sensing and outfall, where evaluating zero liquid discharge technology, and continuing

1927
03:03:04,730 --> 03:03:06,830
to truck Brian and South County Sanitation District.

1928
03:03:07,190 --> 03:03:11,910
Right now, trucking remains the current implemented option, while long-term compliance alternatives

1929
03:03:11,910 --> 03:03:13,530
continue to be evaluated.

1930
03:03:15,780 --> 03:03:20,320
The G word, it is important to clarify that the district does not regulate growth.

1931
03:03:20,940 --> 03:03:24,280
The County of San Luis Obispoot through the local coastal program and growth management

1932
03:03:24,280 --> 03:03:29,160
ordinance determines the appropriate growth level within Cambria.

1933
03:03:29,620 --> 03:03:34,480
The district itself develops and manages water resources, and the county evaluates those

1934
03:03:34,480 --> 03:03:36,700
resources and determines growth accordingly.

1935
03:03:37,700 --> 03:03:40,200
The WIF does not create new growth capacity.

1936
03:03:40,600 --> 03:03:45,780
It improves reliability for our existing community while remaining consistent with coastal habitat

1937
03:03:45,780 --> 03:03:46,460
protections.

1938
03:03:47,720 --> 03:03:53,880
And that is our decommissioned Brian Pond that we are no able longer to use and I'm sure we'll

1939
03:03:53,880 --> 03:03:56,840
talk about that later in terms of mitigation.

1940
03:04:01,590 --> 03:04:06,350
And in closing, commissioners, the WIF exists because Cambridge faced a real water emergency.

1941
03:04:06,350 --> 03:04:11,890
The project before you represents transition from emergency response to a long-term management

1942
03:04:11,890 --> 03:04:12,330
tool.

1943
03:04:12,870 --> 03:04:16,530
Over many years, the district has continued to respond to questions, refine the project

1944
03:04:16,530 --> 03:04:21,330
and invest in science necessary to make informed decisions at a significant financial cost.

1945
03:04:21,890 --> 03:04:26,250
The facility is designed to operate within the natural variability of this watershed while

1946
03:04:26,250 --> 03:04:28,930
protecting environmental resources and the community's water supply.

1947
03:04:29,610 --> 03:04:35,270
We respectfully ask for you to support the Dobrieth so we can move forward as a preventive

1948
03:04:35,270 --> 03:04:39,570
ground water management tool, one that protects the aquifer supports environmental resources

1949
03:04:39,570 --> 03:04:43,810
and helps ensure Cambria does not return to emergency conditions in the future.

1950
03:04:44,610 --> 03:04:49,030
Thank you for your time, and my staff is here, as well as myself to answer any questions.

1951
03:04:49,750 --> 03:04:53,730
Thank you for the presentation, you were over by one second and I want that back.

1952
03:04:57,470 --> 03:05:01,430
If you could stay put for a moment, I anticipate some questions.

1953
03:05:02,190 --> 03:05:06,270
Commissioner White, did you want to start with questions now or would you let me move forward

1954
03:05:06,270 --> 03:05:07,030
with public comment.

1955
03:05:07,590 --> 03:05:13,250
I can't ask us, get a few questions out there before public comment.

1956
03:05:14,750 --> 03:05:21,190
I'll withhold some, but I thought it may be helpful just to kind of try to understand

1957
03:05:21,190 --> 03:05:27,110
the framing here in the historical context with a few general questions as before public

1958
03:05:27,110 --> 03:05:27,510
comment.

1959
03:05:28,230 --> 03:05:32,270
And so it's come up again in the last days.

1960
03:05:32,270 --> 03:05:39,050
is this general question I've been hearing since something like 1996, you know, why not

1961
03:05:39,050 --> 03:05:40,430
just put in a reservoir?

1962
03:05:41,970 --> 03:05:44,130
That's a great question, Commissioner.

1963
03:05:44,290 --> 03:05:46,030
And we evaluated that in 2013.

1964
03:05:46,850 --> 03:05:51,090
And some of those numbers have been back in 2013, we're $70 million plus in addition

1965
03:05:51,090 --> 03:05:55,110
to heavy regulatory complications with that.

1966
03:05:55,590 --> 03:06:00,730
And so the district chose back then to look at the water reclamation facility above a reservoir.

1967
03:06:00,730 --> 03:06:11,310
So, various reservoir placements were considered then, as they were in the late 90s and ruled out for various price and environmental challenges.

1968
03:06:11,650 --> 03:06:12,170
Correct.

1969
03:06:12,510 --> 03:06:16,690
Okay, because I think people, I came in thinking that was a no-brainer too.

1970
03:06:17,210 --> 03:06:21,410
And so, I think there are lots of complications that we maybe don't always think of there.

1971
03:06:21,410 --> 03:06:30,630
Okay, so I just wanted to make sure multiple reservoir options were considered then at the time this was put forward.

1972
03:06:31,030 --> 03:06:36,530
Yes, Commissioner, those were looked at, again prior to my tenure, but they were looked at.

1973
03:06:36,630 --> 03:06:37,710
Okay, thanks for that.

1974
03:06:38,210 --> 03:06:48,770
And then as far as the general setting and need, can you help us understand current usage and kind of what this will allow?

1975
03:06:48,770 --> 03:06:55,770
I've heard some questions around current usage and historic usage, you know, maybe current

1976
03:06:55,770 --> 03:07:05,270
usage is around 500 acre feet, and once maybe 800 acre feet were being used, and just again

1977
03:07:05,270 --> 03:07:11,250
that sort of setting for the need, if maybe 10, 17 acre feet are actually allowed to be pumped

1978
03:07:11,250 --> 03:07:13,950
now, why the need for this thing?

1979
03:07:14,490 --> 03:07:15,390
That's a good question.

1980
03:07:15,610 --> 03:07:24,050
So, once we had that significant drought in 2016, 14, 15, 16, the district went in heavy

1981
03:07:24,050 --> 03:07:25,090
on conservation measures.

1982
03:07:25,370 --> 03:07:26,810
The community understood conservation.

1983
03:07:27,450 --> 03:07:29,810
We implemented retrofit programs.

1984
03:07:30,210 --> 03:07:33,690
So a lot of our community, whether it's through minor use permits or remiles within the

1985
03:07:33,690 --> 03:07:37,930
district, have slowly started to retrofit homes and then natural conservation.

1986
03:07:38,370 --> 03:07:42,970
So we saw the usage of peak usage of 8 to 900 acre feet a year being used.

1987
03:07:42,970 --> 03:07:45,630
and now we're down in the fives, five fifties.

1988
03:07:45,990 --> 03:07:47,550
And I think that's through conservation itself.

1989
03:07:48,610 --> 03:07:50,410
Part of the reason for the water reclamation facility

1990
03:07:50,410 --> 03:07:53,750
is we still hit dry seasons within that San Simeon Creek

1991
03:07:54,150 --> 03:07:59,170
and we have to balance two very sensitive aquifers.

1992
03:07:59,730 --> 03:08:01,090
We talk about the Santa Rosa Creek.

1993
03:08:01,410 --> 03:08:04,230
The district is limited to about 155 acre feet

1994
03:08:04,230 --> 03:08:07,090
from the Santa Rosa's at specific times of the year.

1995
03:08:08,030 --> 03:08:09,610
And the only, and per the Coastal Commission

1996
03:08:09,610 --> 03:08:12,250
and that water permit, we really shouldn't be pulling

1997
03:08:12,250 --> 03:08:16,490
from the Santa Rosa's unless we cannot use San Simeon safely.

1998
03:08:17,190 --> 03:08:20,690
And that's the problem with what we're doing right now in terms of San Simeon and not being

1999
03:08:20,690 --> 03:08:24,890
able to operate the Water Relic Reclamation Facility is that during those dry periods

2000
03:08:24,890 --> 03:08:29,270
with San Simeons, we'll lose that hydraulic gradient and then we have to move to the Santa

2001
03:08:29,270 --> 03:08:29,750
Rosa's.

2002
03:08:30,190 --> 03:08:37,730
So it's more of a water portfolio and a stability tool, and that's the best way I can answer

2003
03:08:37,730 --> 03:08:37,930
that.

2004
03:08:37,930 --> 03:08:44,850
But that's helpful because I think it's confusing to people as far as the allowance and the allotment and the actual use

2005
03:08:45,650 --> 03:08:51,190
In how the dry periods kind of hit that and the balancing between draw from two two creeks

2006
03:08:51,950 --> 03:08:55,610
and so a little bit of

2007
03:08:56,510 --> 03:08:59,490
Detail on growth inducing potential

2008
03:08:59,490 --> 03:09:05,630
We I heard you say county dictates that that's not a services district purview

2009
03:09:05,630 --> 03:09:13,510
But help us all understand current service, wait list, and new growth a little better.

2010
03:09:13,790 --> 03:09:18,350
I might see it in a simplified version, kind of those three parts,

2011
03:09:18,710 --> 03:09:23,570
current service requirements, a wait list that's out there, and

2012
03:09:23,570 --> 03:09:25,830
that potential for brand new growth.

2013
03:09:28,920 --> 03:09:30,080
Really putting it to me.

2014
03:09:30,880 --> 03:09:33,700
This is general setting, general setting.

2015
03:09:33,700 --> 03:09:42,000
So ultimately the district is under a water moratorium, an emergency code 350 in which we have suspended all new intent to serve letters.

2016
03:09:42,400 --> 03:09:49,780
We currently have and I'll have to look at Jim in terms of 665 on the wait list and

2017
03:09:49,780 --> 03:09:56,440
existing connections is 4,434, so those are existing connections.

2018
03:09:56,540 --> 03:10:03,560
We do have an existing commitment list which are some lots that have a meter in it.

2019
03:10:03,560 --> 03:10:08,620
or already assigned a meter and then we have affordable housing commitments and I think we have

2020
03:10:08,620 --> 03:10:16,200
a total of 30, 36 total in terms of existing commitments and again some of that is affordable housing.

2021
03:10:16,740 --> 03:10:23,040
So ultimately we have a wait list of that 600 plus we have some existing commitments and then we

2022
03:10:23,040 --> 03:10:29,360
have our current existing users. And I think it may be helpful to describe the wait list a bit.

2023
03:10:29,360 --> 03:10:44,040
I know the Cambrian's present are pretty familiar with that list, but maybe some people aren't, maybe some of the commissioners of what is the wait list, those 660-ish parcels on the wait list?

2024
03:10:44,220 --> 03:10:54,500
They are just that commissioner. They are a 600 plus parcels that are empty, that are waiting in line for an intent to serve letter and a water meter to hope to build a home in Cambria.

2025
03:10:54,500 --> 03:10:58,040
And how long have they been waiting in line?

2026
03:10:59,100 --> 03:11:09,240
It varies between if those parcels have been sold to one another, but essentially, we're looking at 20 plus years of a moratorium and those that have been waiting to build.

2027
03:11:09,900 --> 03:11:19,940
Are there any parcels on the wait list that have come onto it after the moratorium in 2001, or is the entire wait list kind of pre.

2028
03:11:19,940 --> 03:11:26,020
The list, I, what I guess I'm not sure of and don't remember now is when the list stopped.

2029
03:11:26,260 --> 03:11:31,680
I know there's a county list and a CCSD list, which adds to some complications, but as far

2030
03:11:31,680 --> 03:11:40,580
as your list, I'm just, haven't most of those 600 been on the list since 2001 or since

2031
03:11:40,580 --> 03:11:41,720
before 2001?

2032
03:11:43,300 --> 03:11:44,760
Commissioners, I can answer that question.

2033
03:11:44,760 --> 03:11:48,420
I'm Tristan Reaper, a management analyst with the Cambridge Community Services District.

2034
03:11:50,560 --> 03:11:55,600
So the wait list was closed in 1990 in conjunction with the Sandless Walsh

2035
03:11:55,600 --> 03:12:00,120
of County Growth Management Ordinance, the residential wait list, the multifamily,

2036
03:12:00,420 --> 03:12:04,160
and commercial are still open, and affordable housing are also still open.

2037
03:12:04,960 --> 03:12:12,460
Okay, but so what I'm hearing you say, Mr. Reaper, is that those some portion of those 660

2038
03:12:13,460 --> 03:12:18,660
parcels on the wait list have been there since 1990 or before, so we're not

2039
03:12:18,660 --> 03:12:24,540
talking 20 years or whatever the math is at 35 years. That's correct. They've

2040
03:12:24,540 --> 03:12:28,860
been paying properties tax and waiting. Okay, I mean so that comes into it and we

2041
03:12:28,860 --> 03:12:33,480
had quite a bit of letter correspondence kind of asking about this, where the

2042
03:12:33,480 --> 03:12:39,040
wait list stands. So when we get to discussion that's definitely of something we'll

2043
03:12:39,040 --> 03:12:44,500
be discussing is kind of how we're treating that weight list in this or not in this.

2044
03:12:44,880 --> 03:12:48,920
Thanks for the clarification I appreciate it because I think that's an important component

2045
03:12:48,920 --> 03:12:51,320
that I'm not quite sure we're clear enough on yet.

2046
03:12:51,860 --> 03:12:57,080
So we'll want to go there and then tell us a little bit just in a general way because

2047
03:12:57,080 --> 03:13:04,040
it comes up and I'm still not quite clear on the triggers for when this thing kicks in

2048
03:13:04,040 --> 03:13:09,040
And I know staff attempted to clarify that last night late, but my brain was off.

2049
03:13:09,360 --> 03:13:12,420
So I think that's something I'm going to want to look at more later.

2050
03:13:12,980 --> 03:13:16,820
But those triggers, which we don't have to get into right now, but we will.

2051
03:13:17,340 --> 03:13:20,780
But explain the use period to us.

2052
03:13:20,960 --> 03:13:28,660
Your calculations on what has been seven months, five days a week, times 24 hours a day.

2053
03:13:28,660 --> 03:13:36,560
I don't understand how you've gotten to that general parameter of use for this thing.

2054
03:13:36,820 --> 03:13:40,280
That would be under our current scenario of development.

2055
03:13:40,620 --> 03:13:44,000
What our maximum use period is for this?

2056
03:13:44,760 --> 03:13:47,220
Where'd that come from? I kind of get dry season.

2057
03:13:47,860 --> 03:13:53,680
But if I did the math on the May the October, that's only six months of youth,

2058
03:13:53,680 --> 03:13:59,700
or I did poor math on the fly, but could you explain that how we got there?

2059
03:14:00,360 --> 03:14:06,480
So overall as a district we want to open up that envelope for the largest potential

2060
03:14:06,480 --> 03:14:12,720
or operating period we might have to run it. So in reality for us to operate it six or seven

2061
03:14:12,720 --> 03:14:18,400
months we would have to be in a year after year after year drought in order to really need to

2062
03:14:18,400 --> 03:14:27,120
operate it in those terms and that length financially. I don't even know if that's possible given

2063
03:14:27,120 --> 03:14:32,200
our current Brian disposal issues, but in terms of a permit and our operating parameters,

2064
03:14:32,200 --> 03:14:37,400
we want to have the widest window we can. That's essentially it. Ultimately, and I'll let my

2065
03:14:37,400 --> 03:14:44,220
utilities manage to speak to it, but we really want to only operate it proactively to produce just

2066
03:14:44,220 --> 03:14:48,120
enough water to keep the aquifer healthy and keep operating in that fashion.

2067
03:14:48,560 --> 03:14:53,140
When we look at those large operating parameters, this is some of the worst-case scenarios that

2068
03:14:53,140 --> 03:14:59,960
Cambria will see in terms of large droughts, lasting persistent droughts that would force us

2069
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:29,280
I'm going to send to those operational parameters. I hope that makes sense. Yeah, it does. And I think that's some of the language that we're going to attempt to be clarifying in the staff's recommended changes. So I don't think we need to get into that anymore. Maybe tell after we hear public comment, then we can get a better idea of what makes sense there that doesn't quite know. And that does get into segue, though, in the cost that relates to the

2070
03:15:29,280 --> 03:15:35,880
of use of this thing. I think we can all agree it's going to be expensive water.

2071
03:15:37,260 --> 03:15:42,480
So, you want to just do you have some rough numbers for us? I know without a

2072
03:15:42,480 --> 03:15:46,880
brine disposal cost and looking into the future, it's hard to say.

2073
03:15:47,420 --> 03:15:52,920
But is there some rough comparison between what we might guess for a standard

2074
03:15:52,920 --> 03:15:59,500
heard acre foot of the well water pumped and then acre foot of this water, just what we're

2075
03:15:59,500 --> 03:16:00,780
looking at in differential.

2076
03:16:01,840 --> 03:16:06,480
To be honest, Commissioner, that's going to be difficult to estimate based on operating

2077
03:16:06,480 --> 03:16:09,020
parameters and ultimate need of the district.

2078
03:16:10,160 --> 03:16:13,500
Additionally, we're looking at multiple brine disposal resolutions.

2079
03:16:14,160 --> 03:16:17,840
So the brine disposal itself is one of the most costly aspects of this project.

2080
03:16:17,840 --> 03:16:24,260
If we continue to truck Brian down the South County sanitation at let's just average it at $3,000 a trip

2081
03:16:24,260 --> 03:16:27,520
And you're doing that five times a day at peak operation

2082
03:16:27,520 --> 03:16:36,000
It becomes self-limiting in our ability to operate the WRF in terms of how much it's gonna cost and if you want to transfer that to acre-feet per you know cost of acre

2083
03:16:36,720 --> 03:16:37,560
foot of water

2084
03:16:37,560 --> 03:16:38,880
Would be difficult

2085
03:16:39,320 --> 03:16:45,840
However, if that transportation is cut in half because we were able to go and and call it to another approved facility

2086
03:16:45,840 --> 03:16:52,060
that's closer, that's closer, or we take a look at zero liquid discharge and some of the success that's had.

2087
03:16:52,580 --> 03:17:01,020
And you balance that test of what it costs for ZLD and potentially for operations at the cost of fully hauling it all the way down the South County.

2088
03:17:01,680 --> 03:17:09,280
So in short, I can't give you a number on what the average acre of foot of water would cost because the verabilities are vast.

2089
03:17:09,280 --> 03:17:16,900
I knew that but it was worth a try. It was worth a try. Tell us a little though about something that came up.

2090
03:17:18,280 --> 03:17:23,040
There's a question of comparative cost which I think given what you've just said you can't answer either.

2091
03:17:23,540 --> 03:17:29,580
Between this facility and other similar facilities that was asked by the advisory council.

2092
03:17:29,580 --> 03:17:35,620
But help explain the people here that there is a current fund balance, which is something

2093
03:17:35,620 --> 03:17:40,520
you explained to Mike and I on the tour of the site that I think isn't necessarily clear

2094
03:17:40,520 --> 03:17:46,160
to people, as far as some balance already being there to fund operations one day.

2095
03:17:46,840 --> 03:17:47,360
Absolutely.

2096
03:17:47,500 --> 03:17:48,020
It's a good question.

2097
03:17:48,640 --> 03:17:52,680
In a sensitive question with our community, since they have been paying for this facility

2098
03:17:52,680 --> 03:17:58,320
for the better part of a decade, there are rates assigned, fixed rates for the WRF that

2099
03:17:58,320 --> 03:18:00,600
our community has been paying for a decade plus.

2100
03:18:01,320 --> 03:18:03,200
Those go into our annual budget.

2101
03:18:03,480 --> 03:18:06,680
We have an operating budget of about $1.3 to $1.4 million

2102
03:18:06,960 --> 03:18:08,600
for the operation of the WRF.

2103
03:18:09,320 --> 03:18:13,460
200 to 250K of that is for the actual operations.

2104
03:18:14,100 --> 03:18:17,640
The rest of it could be hauling staff time.

2105
03:18:17,780 --> 03:18:19,440
There are personnel assigned to the WRF.

2106
03:18:20,300 --> 03:18:21,700
And then we have a healthy reserves

2107
03:18:21,700 --> 03:18:25,160
of approximately $2.1 million and reserves.

2108
03:18:25,160 --> 03:18:30,800
service. So when we are not operating the WRF, we usually end the year in a surplus,

2109
03:18:31,340 --> 03:18:35,700
and that surplus gets moved over into reserves. Essentially, there's a fixed rate for

2110
03:18:35,700 --> 03:18:41,040
this facility, so it can operate. It just hasn't operated. So in general, we have healthy

2111
03:18:41,040 --> 03:18:47,480
reserves, and we do have an operating budget. If it was to be activated and turned on, you

2112
03:18:47,480 --> 03:18:53,340
know, those rates and fees should cover its operation. Again, we have to work as a board

2113
03:18:53,340 --> 03:18:56,420
and staff to address the brine disposal issue,

2114
03:18:56,480 --> 03:18:57,340
because it is costly.

2115
03:18:58,440 --> 03:19:00,800
And our staff is looking at grants all the time,

2116
03:19:00,840 --> 03:19:02,240
we're working with the Army Corps of Engineers,

2117
03:19:02,240 --> 03:19:05,080
potentially, that could fund something like the ZLD.

2118
03:19:06,320 --> 03:19:09,600
But I mean, that's how we operate the WRF or lack thereof.

2119
03:19:10,100 --> 03:19:11,340
Okay, that's helpful.

2120
03:19:11,900 --> 03:19:13,620
And that's just kind of segues.

2121
03:19:14,380 --> 03:19:16,560
So that's, there's some money in the funds.

2122
03:19:16,880 --> 03:19:20,420
So for those worried about kind of immediate operations cost,

2123
03:19:20,420 --> 03:19:23,380
you know, some of that's already paid forward.

2124
03:19:24,720 --> 03:19:33,900
And then help us understand how much is already in place as far as cost portionment between

2125
03:19:34,360 --> 03:19:42,000
these sort of existing residences, the commercial users, the way it lists potentially if we're

2126
03:19:42,000 --> 03:19:47,420
allowing, I'm going to assume for the moment we may be allowing, we list use there that

2127
03:19:47,420 --> 03:19:53,420
would pay new connection fees? Is there enough system in place or would you say

2128
03:19:53,420 --> 03:19:58,420
adequate system that kind of balances those costs and impacts or is that work

2129
03:19:58,420 --> 03:20:06,440
ahead? As far as you know fees for youths and new hook up fees and as a

2130
03:20:06,440 --> 03:20:11,520
business maybe our business meter should be paying significantly more than a

2131
03:20:11,520 --> 03:20:16,480
residential meter. Would you say that's moderately well in place already or

2132
03:20:16,480 --> 03:20:18,260
a lot at work ahead.

2133
03:20:18,720 --> 03:20:20,580
I'm trying to decipher your question just a little bit,

2134
03:20:20,780 --> 03:20:23,260
so I'm trying to think if I understand what you're asking.

2135
03:20:23,560 --> 03:20:25,100
So we do have rate studies,

2136
03:20:25,100 --> 03:20:26,960
and we're going through a current rate study,

2137
03:20:27,160 --> 03:20:28,200
an updated fee study,

2138
03:20:28,640 --> 03:20:30,980
to analyze our current fees and rates

2139
03:20:30,980 --> 03:20:33,720
to see if they are adequate for existing services

2140
03:20:33,720 --> 03:20:34,400
and infrastructure.

2141
03:20:35,080 --> 03:20:36,320
And so we do have different rates

2142
03:20:36,320 --> 03:20:39,200
that are applied to different types of water usage,

2143
03:20:39,320 --> 03:20:40,500
whether it's commercial or residential,

2144
03:20:41,200 --> 03:20:43,980
and but currently the WRF fees are fixed,

2145
03:20:43,980 --> 03:20:50,360
I believe, for both residential and commercial, however, we're looking at that in terms of the fee up day and a rate study.

2146
03:20:51,180 --> 03:21:03,140
Okay, yeah, and so that's something maybe we can discuss a little more after hearing from the public because it's come up in correspondence, and of course, as a big part of this for all the decades as far as who pays what for what.

2147
03:21:03,760 --> 03:21:08,720
And so I know that's a huge concern of the community, so it'll be important to get into a little more.

2148
03:21:08,720 --> 03:21:14,740
Before we take public comment, I just had one more kind of realm of questions, because

2149
03:21:14,740 --> 03:21:20,960
I know it's a huge portion of the concern here on uncertainty is regarding brine disposal,

2150
03:21:21,340 --> 03:21:22,460
which you referenced.

2151
03:21:23,280 --> 03:21:27,500
And so maybe it would help to know what you're looking at there.

2152
03:21:27,900 --> 03:21:32,520
And we talked about some options on the tour that Mike and I were privy to.

2153
03:21:32,880 --> 03:21:37,500
That staff said, for example, they've just found out because there's a lot of new information

2154
03:21:37,500 --> 03:21:40,420
an opportunity as far as Brian disposal.

2155
03:21:41,100 --> 03:21:46,040
So it may help for the public to be a prize of that information, or some of that before

2156
03:21:46,040 --> 03:21:50,720
we hear public comment, and then we can get into some more details or issues after we hear

2157
03:21:50,720 --> 03:21:51,680
from the public.

2158
03:21:52,120 --> 03:21:52,940
Absolutely, Commissioner White.

2159
03:21:54,460 --> 03:21:58,760
Yeah, so I'm assuming I know where this is going, and I'm talking discussion with San

2160
03:21:58,760 --> 03:21:59,080
Simeon.

2161
03:21:59,260 --> 03:22:04,780
So if most of you might know that San Simeon is going through the dissolution process, the

2162
03:22:04,780 --> 03:22:09,640
The County San Luis Obispo staff have reached out to Cambridge Community Service District

2163
03:22:10,020 --> 03:22:16,900
to see if there's some coordination assistance that could happen there, even as much as

2164
03:22:16,900 --> 03:22:22,180
potentially having an interconnect tie into our wastewater plant to allow us to treat

2165
03:22:22,180 --> 03:22:28,040
their wastewater and potentially allow them to close their wastewater plant, which per

2166
03:22:28,040 --> 03:22:30,500
the Coastal Commission needs to be decommissioned in the next five years.

2167
03:22:30,500 --> 03:23:00,180
So we've had some of those in-depth conversations and our board has looked at and told us there's the strategic plan, a staff to analyze those opportunities with San Simeon and one of those opportunities, potentially as gaining access to their pre- Coastal Development Permit Outfall that's been grandfathered in and there's an opportunity potentially for our district to haul the brine to San Simeon if we had some sort of an agreement and their board authorized it, which would be a shorter trip and a lot cheaper.

2168
03:23:00,180 --> 03:23:05,360
We also are looking at zero-liquid discharge in which we had a very successful pilot project

2169
03:23:05,360 --> 03:23:14,260
which basically was able to take the 13% of the water we couldn't recover from our WRF

2170
03:23:15,120 --> 03:23:21,820
processes, put it through zero-liquid discharge, they were able to recover 99% of the water out

2171
03:23:21,820 --> 03:23:29,460
of that, which basically leaves a hyper-concentrated Brian Concentrate, that let's say if we did

2172
03:23:29,460 --> 03:23:35,600
a hundred trips a month hauling without the ZLD process down to South County sanitation.

2173
03:23:36,220 --> 03:23:38,980
If ZLD was in place, it would reduce it down to eight.

2174
03:23:40,240 --> 03:23:42,960
So that's a significantly less trips.

2175
03:23:43,600 --> 03:23:48,800
The cost for ZLD, we've been waiting for a report and Mr. Clark Easter is here from Global

2176
03:23:48,800 --> 03:23:54,900
water innovations and he will speak at a higher level than I do but I can say based on his analysis

2177
03:23:55,540 --> 03:24:01,300
that operating cost for brine disposal is about $750 a day. If we were operating it five days

2178
03:24:01,300 --> 03:24:10,400
a week 24 hours a day that's a weekly cost of $3750, $3,750 and we're ranging anywhere between 16,000

2179
03:24:10,400 --> 03:24:17,200
and $20,000 a month for the brine processing disposal hauling. If you take into consideration

2180
03:24:17,200 --> 03:24:22,980
South County Sanitation at trucking at $3,000 a trip times five, times five days a week,

2181
03:24:23,040 --> 03:24:29,540
times a month, you're looking at $200,000. So it's significantly more expensive and self-limiting.

2182
03:24:30,340 --> 03:24:37,680
Okay, so just to stop you there because I'm not sure I kept track. So I'm hearing that the rough

2183
03:24:37,680 --> 03:24:54,840
monthly cost for the current hall of Brian South County is at full use would equate to around 200,000 a month and the rough estimate that's come in on the ZLD may equate to 20,000 a month.

2184
03:24:55,280 --> 03:24:55,400
Correct.

2185
03:24:55,660 --> 03:25:05,820
So that would be a 10% kind of option, 20,000 versus 200,000 would cut that disposal cost by 90%.

2186
03:25:05,820 --> 03:25:14,840
It would, there's capital costs that you have to take in consideration, which, you know, there's a low lying estimate right now that we were given about 3.5 million for the for the apparatus itself.

2187
03:25:15,380 --> 03:25:20,880
And then we would see grant funding again, working with the Army Corps of Engineers to see if we could fund it through through that grant process.

2188
03:25:21,260 --> 03:25:32,680
So okay, and I know we'll get into that more after public comment, but I just thought it was useful to kind of lay those scenarios out since that's been a real concern and we're going to hear more about it. I'll, I'll just bet so that's very helpful.

2189
03:25:32,680 --> 03:25:43,000
So, again, kind of just to summarize what I think I heard, there's a baseline allowance or potential capacity to take Brian to South County.

2190
03:25:43,480 --> 03:25:51,180
There's an option for ZLD, and there's a potential option on the table that could be trucking to Sam Seaman's outfall pipe.

2191
03:25:51,660 --> 03:25:54,980
And those would be sort of the three options on the table that you're considering.

2192
03:25:55,500 --> 03:25:57,480
Yes, and our board will have to consider all of those.

2193
03:25:57,620 --> 03:26:03,020
Again, when we talk about these options, ZLD has not been purchased, yes, procured, brought

2194
03:26:03,020 --> 03:26:04,740
to our board of directors for approval.

2195
03:26:05,580 --> 03:26:10,660
This is more of a high level strategy that the board set us told us to go out and do,

2196
03:26:10,780 --> 03:26:15,040
which, through our strategic plan, was solve the brine concentrate disposal issue.

2197
03:26:15,580 --> 03:26:18,200
And these are the methods in which we're looking at to do that.

2198
03:26:18,800 --> 03:26:22,060
Once we have these options in place, and if they're solidified and we bring them forward

2199
03:26:22,060 --> 03:26:24,700
to the board, then the board will make that decision.

2200
03:26:24,700 --> 03:26:30,020
I just want to follow up from a district perspective, our board is very aware of our finances

2201
03:26:30,020 --> 03:26:36,300
and what self limits ourselves. You know, from a land use perspective, I'm not sure, you know,

2202
03:26:36,400 --> 03:26:41,440
this would be, I know that there's concern about it publicly, but we're coming here from a land

2203
03:26:41,440 --> 03:26:46,700
use permitting perspective, not looking at our district and how we manage our finances, you know,

2204
03:26:46,780 --> 03:26:52,400
at this, at this level. I do understand that there's an economic justice commitment to this,

2205
03:26:52,400 --> 03:26:56,900
and some residents can be locked out. So it does become, I think, important with their

2206
03:26:56,900 --> 03:27:00,860
purview. Okay, two more questions on the brine. We really need to get to public comment.

2207
03:27:01,000 --> 03:27:07,600
Uh-huh, just two more on the brine, because it's helpful that have already come up in letters. So,

2208
03:27:09,760 --> 03:27:17,580
are there, what's in the brine? Can you just give us some idea of components? It ties in with comments

2209
03:27:17,580 --> 03:27:23,700
Since we've received from Cambria Green Space and others that there has been some,

2210
03:27:24,440 --> 03:27:30,400
that South County Sanitation has turned away, brine trucks that have tried to drop brine off there.

2211
03:27:31,100 --> 03:27:38,600
And so, I'm just as far as, that's the baseline kind of option on the table that we assume has been approved.

2212
03:27:38,600 --> 03:27:42,800
And if there's some reason that that's not working, we ought to know about it.

2213
03:27:42,800 --> 03:27:49,640
Yeah, I know where that comments coming from and I'm pretty sure I can address that pretty quickly or Jim you want to touch base on it.

2214
03:27:52,450 --> 03:27:55,630
Thanks Commissioner White, so I think that's been grossly mischaracterized.

2215
03:27:55,850 --> 03:28:00,710
We had some aged and old brine that was in there for a prior pilot run.

2216
03:28:01,390 --> 03:28:13,890
We took a sample analysis for NTU which is turbidity at the top of that sample of the tank that was turned in and analyzed when the brine truck came to pump and haul that was pumped from the bottom.

2217
03:28:13,890 --> 03:28:18,850
Um, there's a 75 NTU max threshold at South County,

2218
03:28:18,850 --> 03:28:23,210
San Luis Obispo, um, our brine was 76 NTUs.

2219
03:28:23,410 --> 03:28:25,230
So it was turned away on the spot there.

2220
03:28:25,670 --> 03:28:27,790
That was not brine that was generated at the moment

2221
03:28:27,790 --> 03:28:28,350
for that pilot.

2222
03:28:28,390 --> 03:28:30,770
Again, it was older brine that had sat there.

2223
03:28:30,930 --> 03:28:33,010
So it had some biological activity on it,

2224
03:28:33,010 --> 03:28:35,650
which caused the higher ratio or higher threshold

2225
03:28:35,650 --> 03:28:36,810
of NTU at that time.

2226
03:28:37,290 --> 03:28:40,030
This is not a product of fresh brine that would come

2227
03:28:40,030 --> 03:28:42,690
from the production of the WRF.

2228
03:28:42,690 --> 03:28:48,870
Again, this is just an older used brine that just sat there for too long, that we should have hauled off.

2229
03:28:49,350 --> 03:28:51,070
So we still have that on hand here.

2230
03:28:51,190 --> 03:28:56,010
It's been filtered and watered down and we will continue to haul that off.

2231
03:28:56,050 --> 03:28:59,970
With San Luis, our south San Luis Vistproc County's disposal area.

2232
03:29:00,350 --> 03:29:09,130
Okay, so I'm hearing that was a one off situation with sitting and it wouldn't have to sit or you wouldn't anticipate that being a recurring problem.

2233
03:29:09,130 --> 03:29:16,010
So with the sort of fresher, more freshly created brine, there wouldn't be a problem like that,

2234
03:29:16,250 --> 03:29:20,570
so you would have the option to get it accepted at South County.

2235
03:29:20,990 --> 03:29:25,730
Right. Historically, we've, we've hauled these pilot runs of brine to South San Luis Bispo before,

2236
03:29:25,950 --> 03:29:29,690
and we've always met their thresholds or been underneath their thresholds for disposal.

2237
03:29:30,110 --> 03:29:34,470
Okay, and just while you're up then maybe you can just give us this sort of simple

2238
03:29:38,210 --> 03:29:41,430
I've heard silica salts.

2239
03:29:42,510 --> 03:29:42,710
Correct.

2240
03:29:43,030 --> 03:29:43,130
Yes.

2241
03:29:43,290 --> 03:29:44,210
What else?

2242
03:29:45,250 --> 03:29:46,370
Rough, kind of.

2243
03:29:46,730 --> 03:29:51,370
Because it's brackish water, and it's our, where we discharge our treated wastewater.

2244
03:29:51,750 --> 03:29:56,190
There's some, like, coliform bacteria, and there as well, very small levels.

2245
03:29:56,970 --> 03:29:59,890
So yeah, bacteria, coliform bacteria.

2246
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:17,000
The area, high levels of salinity, like in the 20,000 parts per million, location, and then some silica and some sands. Okay, that's hopeful, just to understand kind of what is this brine stuff. Yeah, okay, thanks. That's all for now. Thank you.

2247
03:30:17,000 --> 03:30:18,300
That's just Commissioner Avela.

2248
03:30:18,520 --> 03:30:21,460
One quick question, which Ann already kind of asked it,

2249
03:30:21,480 --> 03:30:23,000
but I'm going to try a different angle for Matt.

2250
03:30:24,000 --> 03:30:25,400
Matt, I said, we'll quit.

2251
03:30:25,860 --> 03:30:25,960
Yeah.

2252
03:30:26,480 --> 03:30:27,660
We'll tell you to sit down.

2253
03:30:30,320 --> 03:30:31,320
Sorry, chief.

2254
03:30:31,520 --> 03:30:32,980
I mean, can we ask the same question?

2255
03:30:33,080 --> 03:30:33,900
I'm going to try different angles.

2256
03:30:34,100 --> 03:30:37,900
So on the occasional use in the dry times

2257
03:30:37,900 --> 03:30:39,580
that you're expecting to use this plant,

2258
03:30:40,680 --> 03:30:43,640
you've already been collecting through the rates

2259
03:30:44,120 --> 03:30:45,520
money as if it's operating.

2260
03:30:45,520 --> 03:30:57,620
So do you anticipate any increased costs to what it's going to cost you when you do go online with this in the future or are you anticipating it's going to be about the same thing that you've been collecting for the occasional use?

2261
03:30:58,600 --> 03:31:00,740
Commissioner Everett, are you talking about the rates that they pay?

2262
03:31:02,660 --> 03:31:05,700
I anticipate rates to go up just in general in our district.

2263
03:31:06,520 --> 03:31:08,240
That's part of the problems of being a small,

2264
03:31:08,540 --> 03:31:14,260
unincorporated community service district in which revenue challenges are widespread.

2265
03:31:14,980 --> 03:31:17,480
And so when we look at a no growth model within our community,

2266
03:31:17,960 --> 03:31:23,640
there's no new streams of revenue coming in in terms of new construction.

2267
03:31:24,360 --> 03:31:28,760
So as our infrastructure ages and inflation keeps going up,

2268
03:31:29,220 --> 03:31:33,960
we'll look at rate increases for the WRF and rates across the board.

2269
03:31:33,960 --> 03:31:38,780
I don't think those rates are going to be increased based on WRF usage.

2270
03:31:39,180 --> 03:31:41,800
I think some of that's already calculated into our existing rates.

2271
03:31:41,940 --> 03:31:44,840
But there will be percentage raises on those rates eventually.

2272
03:31:45,900 --> 03:31:52,480
And that's due to the just the aging infrastructure or for operating the new plan or a combination.

2273
03:31:53,220 --> 03:31:57,620
It would be a combination of both because if you take a look at O&M or operation of maintenance of the plant,

2274
03:31:57,620 --> 03:32:01,980
those costs have gone up inherently so that'll be integrated into any type of

2275
03:32:01,980 --> 03:32:04,780
re-increase that our district has to do in the near future.

2276
03:32:08,490 --> 03:32:09,890
I'd try for a different angle.

2277
03:32:11,690 --> 03:32:14,430
All right. Thank you, sir. Okay.

2278
03:32:14,770 --> 03:32:18,830
So before we open public comment, a couple of things. Just chairs prerogative,

2279
03:32:19,030 --> 03:32:22,730
is it want to be really clear as setting expectations of the

2280
03:32:22,730 --> 03:32:25,650
communities to what we are, what we can rule on

2281
03:32:25,650 --> 03:32:30,090
and what we can't rule on at this body. And we are truly land use.

2282
03:32:31,610 --> 03:32:36,330
advisers to the Board of Supervisors, so when it comes to rates and costs and all those things, that's a CSD.

2283
03:32:36,670 --> 03:32:39,950
Matter that I strongly encourage you to engage in.

2284
03:32:40,470 --> 03:32:45,350
We do have 12 speaker slips in my hand currently and it's three minutes a piece.

2285
03:32:45,610 --> 03:32:52,610
We're looking at a little or half an hour, so I'm going to start calling names and just ask you to be respectful of the three minute time limit.

2286
03:32:53,510 --> 03:32:55,910
Let's start with Mr. Clyde Warren.

2287
03:32:55,910 --> 03:32:56,050
Again,

2288
03:32:58,600 --> 03:33:01,920
I could do that.

2289
03:33:02,780 --> 03:33:11,140
And thank you for the suggestion and efficiency and perhaps Christine Heinrichs can stand

2290
03:33:11,140 --> 03:33:13,300
at this lectern and we'll go to you next.

2291
03:33:14,260 --> 03:33:15,160
Thank you, commissioners.

2292
03:33:15,420 --> 03:33:16,300
My name's Clyde Warren.

2293
03:33:17,720 --> 03:33:29,060
I'm the neighbor to the district and some of my concerns, the one concern I have, I'm

2294
03:33:29,060 --> 03:33:35,900
And anyway, there's flooding nonsense in the creek road, and I am requesting that

2295
03:33:35,900 --> 03:33:41,160
you consider modifications to the proposed community services district's pond area.

2296
03:33:41,680 --> 03:33:43,480
My property is adjacent to the site.

2297
03:33:45,040 --> 03:33:51,100
I submitted a packet to you about my concerns and solutions that feel would work.

2298
03:33:51,680 --> 03:33:58,800
The issue is the barrier surrounding the pond and the block flow of water run off in the

2299
03:33:58,800 --> 03:34:04,700
costs flooding in the road. This road is used by residents, businesses,

2300
03:34:05,580 --> 03:34:15,180
egg workers, emergency vehicles and must remain open. In 2017, the storm water run

2301
03:34:15,180 --> 03:34:19,940
off naturally flowed across the road into the district's pond. This caused the

2302
03:34:19,940 --> 03:34:27,760
district to have emergency response to stop that flow. The CCSD is planning on

2303
03:34:27,760 --> 03:34:32,360
removing the laner, which will allow percolation and rain water to recharge the ground water.

2304
03:34:33,000 --> 03:34:38,660
But the barriers to the pond need to be addressed. Currently, the fence vegetation clogged

2305
03:34:38,660 --> 03:34:44,640
the area, causing the flood. CCSD currently has no maintenance program to address this claim.

2306
03:34:45,780 --> 03:34:50,960
If the pond is functioning properly, the pond creates wildlife for birds and other animals

2307
03:34:50,960 --> 03:34:55,800
It provides water for fire suppression, which they don't have.

2308
03:34:56,720 --> 03:35:01,360
I believe that it can be achieved by placing conditions on the permit to require removal

2309
03:35:01,360 --> 03:35:07,300
of the liner and removal of these barriers and mentally maintenance and ponds around

2310
03:35:07,300 --> 03:35:07,920
in vegetation.

2311
03:35:08,340 --> 03:35:16,120
It can be turned into a great wildlife ground water recharge and besides having a fire protection

2312
03:35:16,430 --> 03:35:17,320
that they don't have.

2313
03:36:14,480 --> 03:36:19,020
Well, while she's doing this, could you help me understand, I missed your last sentence.

2314
03:36:19,480 --> 03:36:23,560
And were you saying that this pond would function better without a liner?

2315
03:36:24,500 --> 03:36:25,000
Oh, yeah.

2316
03:36:25,000 --> 03:36:29,440
Okay, just to make sure I heard you right while we're getting the presentation up.

2317
03:36:30,480 --> 03:36:34,820
Yeah, they're going to take it out anyway, so let's take something negative and make it positive,

2318
03:36:37,320 --> 03:36:39,180
okay, and there it goes.

2319
03:36:40,180 --> 03:36:51,980
Okay, on this picture here shows the watershed outlined in yellow, and that all filters down to it crosses the road right where the pond is, and that's where it naturally crosses, and

2320
03:36:51,980 --> 03:36:57,040
And that's when it flooded the pond the first time in 2017.

2321
03:36:58,340 --> 03:37:05,320
And then on, so we got that source of water that's coming down there next picture.

2322
03:37:11,080 --> 03:37:13,900
And this picture here, this is the flood of 23.

2323
03:37:14,660 --> 03:37:19,220
And you can see where the power poles in the distance that's where it crosses the road.

2324
03:37:19,900 --> 03:37:24,080
And so it can't go anywhere, so it just flooded the whole road.

2325
03:37:24,520 --> 03:37:29,100
And in the county had to put up a road close sign, first time ever, but we can't use our road.

2326
03:37:29,960 --> 03:37:30,840
Let me go on the next one.

2327
03:37:31,780 --> 03:37:34,100
And then this one here is just a couple of weeks ago.

2328
03:37:34,640 --> 03:37:40,240
There was, in a 24-hour period, there's like 0.63 inches of rain,

2329
03:37:40,400 --> 03:37:43,720
because state parks has a weather station on their cross-offense.

2330
03:37:44,560 --> 03:37:49,180
And it flooded the road with just that little bit of rain after the grounds already saturated.

2331
03:37:51,770 --> 03:37:55,330
And then the wildlife pond, you could turn it into wildlife pond.

2332
03:37:55,330 --> 03:38:00,050
This is mine. This is small, but the ducts and everything uses it.

2333
03:38:00,230 --> 03:38:05,590
I mean, we've had mount lines kill deer there and condors come in and beat on them.

2334
03:38:06,970 --> 03:38:09,630
So that can be, there's a way to do that.

2335
03:38:10,430 --> 03:38:14,150
And then there's a way to do it so the helicopters got access.

2336
03:38:15,030 --> 03:38:21,330
They use my pond with a snorkel effect, which you can use on a shell upon.

2337
03:38:22,150 --> 03:38:28,690
that the bucket helicopters would need something bigger and it could be designed, you know,

2338
03:38:28,830 --> 03:38:35,450
and I would have a pilot designed where that has built, you know, because you could put

2339
03:38:35,450 --> 03:38:40,950
a mounds in the middle of it for the wildlife and because they need two leaves and willows protection

2340
03:38:40,950 --> 03:38:48,290
from the hawks and owls and stuff like that. So that is my presentation, I just would like to see

2341
03:38:48,290 --> 03:38:49,910
That incorporated to a wildlife habitat.

2342
03:38:50,610 --> 03:38:50,850
Thank you.

2343
03:38:51,190 --> 03:38:51,470
Good

2344
03:39:01,130 --> 03:39:01,470
evening, Mike.

2345
03:39:01,850 --> 03:39:02,450
It's a cool feature.

2346
03:39:05,040 --> 03:39:06,000
All right, Christine, good afternoon.

2347
03:39:09,480 --> 03:39:11,960
And thank, I said here all morning

2348
03:39:11,960 --> 03:39:13,400
and I have to thank all of you

2349
03:39:13,400 --> 03:39:15,400
for your patience and diligence

2350
03:39:15,400 --> 03:39:16,740
in dealing with these issues.

2351
03:39:16,920 --> 03:39:19,380
And thank you, Commissioner Wyatt, for your questioning.

2352
03:39:21,500 --> 03:39:22,300
Oh, man, you have this.

2353
03:39:23,120 --> 03:39:24,860
Thank you for holding a hearing on this.

2354
03:39:24,960 --> 03:39:28,240
This is actually the first formal public hearing

2355
03:39:28,240 --> 03:39:32,100
that's been held on this project in all these years.

2356
03:39:33,260 --> 03:39:40,020
Before I get to my written comments, which I have submitted and at length, so I hope you've observed those.

2357
03:39:40,680 --> 03:39:46,760
Before I get to those, let me raise questions about the two issues that were added to the conditions of approval yesterday.

2358
03:39:47,460 --> 03:39:56,440
No one has had time to evaluate them and they include unexplained terms such as the waste discharge permits and the outfall extension permit.

2359
03:39:56,440 --> 03:40:01,940
If the Planning Commission knows what these refer to, please let us know.

2360
03:40:02,600 --> 03:40:08,640
And that area of Canberra is within the Monterey Bay National Marine Sanctuary, which oversees

2361
03:40:08,640 --> 03:40:12,840
any discharge into creeks that enter empty into the ocean.

2362
03:40:13,280 --> 03:40:16,660
So that's another organization that would need to be consulted about this.

2363
03:40:17,980 --> 03:40:21,360
Please add those points to the ones raised in my written comments.

2364
03:40:21,360 --> 03:40:27,880
The lack of any reports or plans for a zero liquid discharge facility, I think the map

2365
03:40:27,880 --> 03:40:34,060
that was produced with the little cloud circle, that just doesn't seem to rise to the level

2366
03:40:34,060 --> 03:40:37,960
of technical decision-making for the commission.

2367
03:40:40,170 --> 03:40:45,490
The inadequacy of the biological reports, these reports, if you look at them, they actually

2368
03:40:45,490 --> 03:40:52,870
require the monitoring level that they are at is two visits of two to three hours every

2369
03:40:52,870 --> 03:40:57,910
three months and the fact that they don't see any steelhead that they don't see a lot

2370
03:40:57,910 --> 03:41:02,390
of things is not really surprising because they're hardly ever out there and I don't think

2371
03:41:02,390 --> 03:41:09,270
that those that amount of oversight is adequate to to address the baseline levels of these

2372
03:41:09,270 --> 03:41:14,710
threatened species. Of course, the cost, thank you for bringing that up.

2373
03:41:16,110 --> 03:41:21,070
The emission of limits on new connections and the conditions of approval that are specified

2374
03:41:21,070 --> 03:41:29,030
in the staff report, which says existing commitments do not include those properties on the CCSD

2375
03:41:29,030 --> 03:41:33,910
water and sewer waiting list. I mean, we're talking about a district that doesn't have enough

2376
03:41:33,910 --> 03:41:40,510
water now. I mean the idea of opening this to adding new connections is it's just counterintuitive,

2377
03:41:40,790 --> 03:41:47,370
it just doesn't make any sense. It also, the language in the staff report also says the project

2378
03:41:47,370 --> 03:41:54,410
is not designed for expansion, is not growth inducing. It's primarily designed to meet the current

2379
03:41:54,410 --> 03:42:02,450
demands of the community and ensure a reliable water supply that does not include adding new connections.

2380
03:42:03,910 --> 03:42:08,850
The mention of grandfathered connections, the Coastal Commission has been very clear.

2381
03:42:09,310 --> 03:42:16,290
Many times in the past there was no such thing as any grandfathered connection existing

2382
03:42:16,290 --> 03:42:16,790
anymore.

2383
03:42:17,170 --> 03:42:21,170
That was way back 2001, and that's done.

2384
03:42:22,090 --> 03:42:26,630
I think it would be good to consider the amount of energy that's going to be required to run

2385
03:42:26,630 --> 03:42:32,550
this, and that figured into the cost as well as the idea of a carbon footprint for Cambria,

2386
03:42:32,550 --> 03:42:39,730
which is a small community and really needs to be considering what is it, what is it's real carbon footprint?

2387
03:42:40,130 --> 03:42:43,350
This is, you know, we're in the 21st century here.

2388
03:42:43,570 --> 03:42:45,130
Christine, could I ask for you to kind of-

2389
03:42:45,130 --> 03:42:45,870
Oh, sure, I'm sorry.

2390
03:42:46,170 --> 03:42:47,490
Okay, thank you.

2391
03:42:47,910 --> 03:42:50,190
Thanks, appreciate it.

2392
03:42:50,450 --> 03:42:54,930
Mark's up and if Mike Lyons could start making his way down, that would be great.

2393
03:42:55,370 --> 03:42:55,810
Good afternoon.

2394
03:42:56,330 --> 03:42:58,250
Good afternoon, commissioners.

2395
03:42:58,250 --> 03:43:11,230
My name is Mark Rochefort, my wife and I have owned a home in Cambria since 1987 and we call Cambria our permanent residence since 2013.

2396
03:43:12,010 --> 03:43:27,010
I am here to wholeheartedly endorse the application of the CCSD for the permit, the coastal development permit and coastal plan for the water reclamation facility.

2397
03:43:27,010 --> 03:43:44,270
It is a facility that will allow our district and staff a very responsible and prudent group I might add to have the latitude to operate this facility during the seven warmest months of the year.

2398
03:43:45,370 --> 03:43:51,890
It does, I want to emphasize something at this point that I think bears repeating, although it's evident.

2399
03:43:51,890 --> 03:44:01,810
This permit does not enlarge, extend, or otherwise alter the allocation of water to Cambria.

2400
03:44:02,550 --> 03:44:07,350
The allocation of Cambria's water comes from the State Department of Water Resources.

2401
03:44:07,890 --> 03:44:14,610
They and they alone can determine and have periodically over the last several years, decades,

2402
03:44:14,610 --> 03:44:27,430
through careful analysis and research, what the Cambria community can and cannot take from its two aquifers,

2403
03:44:28,070 --> 03:44:36,910
San Simeon, Santa Rosa Creek, I think that's important and maybe gets lost in all of the technology here.

2404
03:44:36,910 --> 03:44:45,890
This basically allows us to use the water from our resources that are already allocated to our town,

2405
03:44:46,010 --> 03:44:53,110
because Mother Nature does not allocate rain or water resources to us.

2406
03:44:53,230 --> 03:44:57,950
She does so very plentifully in the winter and not so much in the summer.

2407
03:44:57,950 --> 03:44:59,890
And that's what this play

2408
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:29,700
And, and project will do. What the permit will allow is it will allow our board and very capable staff to manage through the water reclamation facility, the existing water allocation during dry months and avoid water shortages and the enormous anxiety, displacement, and suffering caused by such shortages. At the same time,

2409
03:45:29,700 --> 03:45:33,660
I'm operating the WRF to manage the San Simeon Creek.

2410
03:45:34,240 --> 03:45:37,000
We'll manage the San Simeon Creek aquifer.

2411
03:45:37,660 --> 03:45:44,580
Strengthen it, prevent saltwater in curation and benefit the environment.

2412
03:45:44,880 --> 03:45:47,360
This is a win, win project.

2413
03:45:47,840 --> 03:45:56,700
Its local government standing up to the responsibilities to its constituency and to the environment and doing the right thing.

2414
03:45:57,120 --> 03:45:58,680
Thank you all for your time.

2415
03:45:58,680 --> 03:46:02,000
Thank the staff for their years of work on this.

2416
03:46:02,480 --> 03:46:06,140
I appreciate it very much, and thank you for your service to the county.

2417
03:46:07,180 --> 03:46:07,820
Thank you, sir.

2418
03:46:08,340 --> 03:46:11,720
So we're going to go to Mike Lyne's and John Lynn, if you could make your way down.

2419
03:46:11,840 --> 03:46:12,340
You'll be next.

2420
03:46:12,760 --> 03:46:13,440
Good afternoon, sir.

2421
03:46:14,760 --> 03:46:16,800
Good afternoon, thank you, thank you, commissioners.

2422
03:46:17,720 --> 03:46:22,240
The writer John Dunne once said, no man is an island.

2423
03:46:22,840 --> 03:46:31,500
But he wrote that in a prose essay titled Devotions Upon Emergent Occasions, which

2424
03:46:31,500 --> 03:46:36,480
seems quite appropriate in this case that we're considering the WRF.

2425
03:46:37,340 --> 03:46:44,640
No man is an island, may or may not apply to people, but it sure does apply to Cambria.

2426
03:46:45,200 --> 03:46:50,260
And by that I mean not the people, not only the people who live there, but the Flora and

2427
03:46:50,260 --> 03:46:52,680
fauna as well as the agricultural interests.

2428
03:46:53,790 --> 03:47:01,120
We have a closed system of water resources, and we're completely dependent upon rainfall

2429
03:47:01,530 --> 03:47:05,740
and the storage we can manage in our two very shallow aquifers.

2430
03:47:06,640 --> 03:47:16,540
In case of emergencies, fire, severe drought, and other drains on those aquifers, who are

2431
03:47:16,540 --> 03:47:18,700
we going to ask for help?

2432
03:47:19,580 --> 03:47:30,000
there's nobody but us. There's no dam, there's no lake, there's no pipeline. We can only expect to

2433
03:47:30,000 --> 03:47:36,300
rely on what we have planned with your help. Please note we've done the best we can with the

2434
03:47:36,300 --> 03:47:42,500
resources we have and we have made significant reductions in our water use per person.

2435
03:47:48,120 --> 03:47:48,680
The

2436
03:47:48,680 --> 03:47:56,380
measures by means of voting for rate increases for our water systems and reclamation systems.

2437
03:47:57,440 --> 03:48:02,280
So that's the equivalent of a vote, which is way more important than a lot of opinions

2438
03:48:02,280 --> 03:48:03,880
that we may express here today.

2439
03:48:04,940 --> 03:48:13,880
All we ask is that you allow us since we have planned for this project, we have built the

2440
03:48:14,480 --> 03:48:24,860
We have maintained it with the help of yourselves and our excellent staff and we would like to have you consider allowing us to control it as we need.

2441
03:48:25,380 --> 03:48:25,720
Thank you.

2442
03:48:25,960 --> 03:48:26,820
Thank you, sir.

2443
03:48:27,920 --> 03:48:28,500
All right.

2444
03:48:28,580 --> 03:48:32,860
We can be moving to John Lynn followed by Karen Dean, if you would like to make your way down.

2445
03:48:33,220 --> 03:48:33,580
Good afternoon.

2446
03:48:34,420 --> 03:48:35,200
Thank you.

2447
03:48:35,900 --> 03:48:36,900
I'm John Lynn.

2448
03:48:37,100 --> 03:48:39,440
I'm a business owner and Cambria.

2449
03:48:39,440 --> 03:48:41,280
I've been there for almost 50 years.

2450
03:48:44,150 --> 03:48:50,530
There's been a lot said, and a lot of you are aware of Camry's water woes, so I'm not going

2451
03:48:50,530 --> 03:48:56,370
to belabor that in the interest of time, I'd like to just echo what Mark Roachford said.

2452
03:48:57,170 --> 03:49:05,830
I think the staff report, as it was delineated, really wowed me, and I thought, wow, a lot

2453
03:49:05,830 --> 03:49:07,570
has gone into this already.

2454
03:49:07,570 --> 03:49:22,230
I think all I can ask is that your group, I just want to encourage passage of what you have in front of you as the staff has delineated it and I don't really need to go beyond that.

2455
03:49:22,550 --> 03:49:26,730
I think you know what to do. Thank you.

2456
03:49:27,250 --> 03:49:28,050
Thank you, sir.

2457
03:49:28,950 --> 03:49:35,510
So we're going to be going to Karen Dean followed by Dennis Dudsick, if you'd like to make

2458
03:49:35,510 --> 03:49:35,930
you way down.

2459
03:49:36,110 --> 03:49:36,470
Good afternoon.

2460
03:49:36,850 --> 03:49:38,270
Good afternoon, conditioners.

2461
03:49:38,770 --> 03:49:42,910
Thank you for the opportunity to speak before you regarding this very important project.

2462
03:49:43,590 --> 03:49:44,650
My name is Karen Dean.

2463
03:49:45,010 --> 03:49:48,770
I'm currently the Vice President of the Cambridge SCSD Board of Directors.

2464
03:49:49,310 --> 03:49:54,290
I have also served as a Board appointed member of an ad hoc committee working with CCSD and

2465
03:49:54,290 --> 03:49:58,850
staff and consultants on the WRF CDP project description.

2466
03:49:59,350 --> 03:50:02,330
I am a member of the Cambridge community and I have been a

2467
03:50:02,330 --> 03:50:04,350
Cambridge homeowner since 1994.

2468
03:50:05,690 --> 03:50:09,470
I am speaking before you today on my own behalf and not on

2469
03:50:09,470 --> 03:50:11,690
behalf of the Board of Directors as a whole.

2470
03:50:12,670 --> 03:50:15,810
I would like to address some of the key reasons the approval of

2471
03:50:15,810 --> 03:50:19,350
this CDP is so important to the Cambridge community.

2472
03:50:19,350 --> 03:50:25,550
The WRF is important to assure reliability.

2473
03:50:26,170 --> 03:50:30,950
Cambria relies 100% on groundwater from two seasonal creek basins.

2474
03:50:31,490 --> 03:50:34,410
We have no imported water or reservoirs.

2475
03:50:34,870 --> 03:50:39,150
With climate change droughts are longer and more severe than decades ago.

2476
03:50:39,650 --> 03:50:45,430
When it doesn't rain, conservation alone cannot create supply, but smart reuse can.

2477
03:50:45,430 --> 03:50:52,090
The WRF allows us to recycle treated water back into the basin instead of losing it.

2478
03:50:52,930 --> 03:50:57,630
Reinjection of treated water helps stabilize groundwater levels during the dry periods.

2479
03:50:58,690 --> 03:51:02,930
The WRF supports basin protection and environmental stewardship.

2480
03:51:03,950 --> 03:51:09,950
Reinjection of the treated water helps preserve the groundwater gradient that protects against seawater intrusion.

2481
03:51:09,950 --> 03:51:16,570
Recovery from seawater intrusion would be extremely costly or impossible.

2482
03:51:17,450 --> 03:51:23,310
This project has undergone years of technical review, environmental and habitat studies,

2483
03:51:23,410 --> 03:51:25,430
and regulatory oversight.

2484
03:51:26,150 --> 03:51:32,150
Keeping our water local and protecting our groundwater basins is responsible environmental

2485
03:51:32,150 --> 03:51:33,070
management.

2486
03:51:34,070 --> 03:51:38,570
The WRF is beneficial for public safety and fire protection.

2487
03:51:38,570 --> 03:51:45,630
Cambria is a wildland urban interface community, water infrastructure is directly tied to

2488
03:51:45,630 --> 03:51:51,670
fire protection as stable groundwater levels are needed to support fire's flow capacity.

2489
03:51:53,410 --> 03:51:59,050
This is fiscal responsibility the district has invested years of planning and millions

2490
03:51:59,050 --> 03:52:05,590
in studies and pilots for the WRF, walking away from this project now waste those years

2491
03:52:05,590 --> 03:52:08,510
of investment and the ratepayers' monies.

2492
03:52:09,110 --> 03:52:15,750
This project strengthens our water security, protects our groundwater basins, supports

2493
03:52:15,750 --> 03:52:20,130
public safety, and is about long-term water resilience for Cambria.

2494
03:52:20,970 --> 03:52:26,910
The WRF has been built, the system works, Cambria needs the ability to operate the facility

2495
03:52:27,250 --> 03:52:31,810
as necessary to protect our groundwater basin and supplement our water supply.

2496
03:52:33,330 --> 03:52:41,990
It has been a long uphill battle to get to this point, and thanks to our current general manager, Matthew McLean, and his team's efforts over the past three years.

2497
03:52:42,450 --> 03:52:44,650
Along, can I finish the sentence?

2498
03:52:45,110 --> 03:52:45,310
Go.

2499
03:52:47,810 --> 03:52:49,710
That's going to be two seconds, but go ahead.

2500
03:52:50,190 --> 03:52:50,370
Okay.

2501
03:52:51,410 --> 03:52:56,570
And his team's efforts over the past three years, along with the CCSD board and community support.

2502
03:52:56,570 --> 03:53:07,690
This WRF Project CDP is finally before you, the planning commissioners, to request your approval for this project that is so important for our community's water supply.

2503
03:53:08,150 --> 03:53:10,390
Thank you so much for the opportunity to speak.

2504
03:53:10,890 --> 03:53:16,730
Thank you, so Dennis, that's it will be next and Harry Farmer, if you are available, please make your way down.

2505
03:53:17,050 --> 03:53:17,470
Good afternoon.

2506
03:53:18,210 --> 03:53:20,030
Good afternoon, thank you commissioners.

2507
03:53:20,030 --> 03:53:33,810
My name is Dennis Dujick, my wife and I live in Cambria, and I serve as the president of our 44-unit mobile homeowners chapter of the Golden State mobile homeowners league there in town.

2508
03:53:34,930 --> 03:53:49,050
I'm a licensed mechanical engineer in California with extensive experience supporting the development of renewable energy projects for California municipal utilities, including more than 40 years of related sequa experience.

2509
03:53:49,050 --> 03:53:57,390
experience. I've studied and have become familiar with the CCSD's WRF, attended and participated

2510
03:53:57,390 --> 03:54:03,850
in related CCSD resources and infrastructure committee meetings and other meetings. Reviewed

2511
03:54:03,850 --> 03:54:10,030
this project description, staff report, revised conditions of approval, public comments submitted

2512
03:54:10,030 --> 03:54:17,890
for this item and posted, and based on this review in my experience, in the need for this project,

2513
03:54:17,890 --> 03:54:27,970
And on behalf of my community, I fully support the staff's recommendation to approve the recommended action and environmental determination.

2514
03:54:28,810 --> 03:54:29,510
Thank you.

2515
03:54:30,750 --> 03:54:31,670
Thank you, sir.

2516
03:54:33,850 --> 03:54:38,910
So we're going to move to Harry Farmer and Tom Gray, if you'd like to make your way down, you'll be next, good afternoon.

2517
03:54:39,790 --> 03:54:47,670
Good afternoon, commissioners and staff, my name's Harry Farmer, and this can be November, I'll be blessed to call Canberra home for 40 years.

2518
03:54:47,670 --> 03:54:55,110
First, I want to thank the commissioners and the staff for the work they've done and for Commissioner Wyatt and Mr.

2519
03:54:55,870 --> 03:54:57,290
Avala for their questions.

2520
03:54:58,130 --> 03:55:04,570
By the way, I'm presently serving my third elected four-year term on the Cambria Community Services Board of Directors.

2521
03:55:04,990 --> 03:55:06,470
I'm currently serving as Board President.

2522
03:55:06,970 --> 03:55:08,610
I'm not here, of course, representing the Board.

2523
03:55:08,990 --> 03:55:11,050
I'm here representing the folks who elected me.

2524
03:55:11,050 --> 03:55:17,390
By the way, in the most recent Kennedy election in 2020, one of the main points of my candidacy

2525
03:55:17,390 --> 03:55:22,250
was only operating with that time was the sustainable water facility and emergencies.

2526
03:55:23,090 --> 03:55:26,110
So which to read quickly from the application here.

2527
03:55:26,930 --> 03:55:34,090
The CDP allows for the continued operation of this CCSD water reclamation facility previously

2528
03:55:34,090 --> 03:55:39,570
approved to operate on an emergency basis pursuant to the emergency coastal development permit

2529
03:55:39,570 --> 03:55:43,370
and issued May 15th, 2014, nearly 12 years ago.

2530
03:55:44,170 --> 03:55:46,210
I want to make a couple of important points.

2531
03:55:46,570 --> 03:55:48,810
First off, the original permit said,

2532
03:55:49,770 --> 03:55:53,510
for emergencies, for existing customers only, and not for growth.

2533
03:55:54,030 --> 03:55:59,210
Also, as you're already aware of, this facility is in a 92-acre eschis zone,

2534
03:55:59,370 --> 03:56:01,750
an environmentally sensitive habitat area.

2535
03:56:02,190 --> 03:56:08,090
One of our major obligations on this planet is for us as humans to create as much harmony as possible

2536
03:56:08,090 --> 03:56:09,990
and how we live with the natural environment

2537
03:56:09,990 --> 03:56:11,370
and the creatures who live there.

2538
03:56:12,330 --> 03:56:14,370
I want to basically, I want to briefly mention

2539
03:56:14,370 --> 03:56:16,790
two unenforced and problematic situations

2540
03:56:16,790 --> 03:56:18,870
that occurred early with this facility.

2541
03:56:19,510 --> 03:56:21,990
The via-apperation pond that was going to take care

2542
03:56:21,990 --> 03:56:24,870
of the brine waste and turned out to be poorly designed

2543
03:56:24,870 --> 03:56:27,890
and effective as never usable.

2544
03:56:28,830 --> 03:56:32,370
And also, the original EIR was so flawed

2545
03:56:32,370 --> 03:56:35,310
that you needed a subsequent EIR in 2017.

2546
03:56:36,470 --> 03:56:39,510
So no matter how little or how much the WRF has operated,

2547
03:56:39,890 --> 03:56:43,030
Brian Waste disposal has always going to be a problem.

2548
03:56:43,410 --> 03:56:48,610
Whether or not we implement the Ciro Electric Discharge Facility or the CLD,

2549
03:56:48,890 --> 03:56:52,270
which right now is only a pilot project here and elsewhere,

2550
03:56:52,650 --> 03:56:55,230
so we don't know about its effectiveness at this point.

2551
03:56:56,390 --> 03:56:58,410
And almost 12 years since the plant was built,

2552
03:56:58,690 --> 03:57:03,590
it was only briefly operated back in 2015 and 2016 to make sure it functioned well.

2553
03:57:03,590 --> 03:57:09,550
During this period, residents and businesses of Cambria continue to be conservation-minded

2554
03:57:09,550 --> 03:57:10,690
and their water usage.

2555
03:57:11,270 --> 03:57:15,430
And this multi-name facility, the Emergency Water Supply Project, the Advanced Water

2556
03:57:15,430 --> 03:57:19,630
Treatment Plant, the Sustainable Water Facility and on-the-water reclamation facility has

2557
03:57:19,630 --> 03:57:20,290
not been needed.

2558
03:57:21,030 --> 03:57:27,730
In conclusion, please once again consider this facility is in a 92-acre Eschazon and the

2559
03:57:27,730 --> 03:57:33,170
the original permit wording for emergency use, for existing customers only, and not for growth.

2560
03:57:34,050 --> 03:57:38,610
Thank you so much for your time, and all the best in your deliberation on this important matter.

2561
03:57:38,990 --> 03:57:43,770
And I also want to thank the previous commenters and public comment.

2562
03:57:44,590 --> 03:57:45,150
Thank you so much.

2563
03:57:45,250 --> 03:57:52,790
And one more thing, I have no problem with the approval of the coastal development permit just under the conditions that I've indicated.

2564
03:57:53,270 --> 03:57:53,830
Thank you so much.

2565
03:57:53,830 --> 03:57:54,690
Thank you, sir.

2566
03:57:55,690 --> 03:58:00,170
So we're going to go to Tom Gray and if Christina Galloway would like to start making your

2567
03:58:00,170 --> 03:58:00,850
way down here.

2568
03:58:01,190 --> 03:58:01,710
Good afternoon.

2569
03:58:01,910 --> 03:58:02,890
Thank you, Commissioner Lieberman.

2570
03:58:03,030 --> 03:58:07,090
Thank you to the commission and to Commissioner Wyatt for all the very good questions, because

2571
03:58:07,090 --> 03:58:11,470
I think we illuminate a lot of issues just to that process that the public has been concerned

2572
03:58:11,470 --> 03:58:11,770
about.

2573
03:58:12,350 --> 03:58:13,210
My name is Tom Gray.

2574
03:58:13,870 --> 03:58:15,350
I'm a resident of Camrya.

2575
03:58:16,010 --> 03:58:20,630
I've been here, one property here for 20 years, I've lived here full time for about 17 years.

2576
03:58:20,630 --> 03:58:25,810
I also am a member of the Cambridge Community Services Board of Directors, and I am speaking

2577
03:58:25,810 --> 03:58:31,610
today only in my capacity as a private citizen, though I do need to note on the record

2578
03:58:31,610 --> 03:58:36,570
that the Board is various votes on this project, and on the strategic plan that includes

2579
03:58:36,570 --> 03:58:43,210
this project, this application of the CDP has been firmly in favor of it for many years.

2580
03:58:43,210 --> 03:59:08,670
I'm talking about many years, I go back, I remember when this, that emergency permit was given to us in 2014 and it's been a long journey but in some ways we were told at the very start that we had to get a permit, ultimately permanent permit, a CDP for non emergency use and that was one of the conditions of the permit that we were given back in 2014.

2581
03:59:08,670 --> 03:59:13,070
So here we are last, it's taken a bit of time, but I think we're better late than never.

2582
03:59:13,630 --> 03:59:23,670
I just want to add a little bit to the excellent comments that have been made by the people here, and also our staff who's done a wonderful job presenting this.

2583
03:59:24,310 --> 03:59:37,130
Just to keep home in on the key issues, we've mentioned several times of management, the point of this permit application is not so much to change the

2584
03:59:37,130 --> 03:59:41,730
The Deborah F from what it has been all along, there's some peripheral improvements included in that.

2585
03:59:42,150 --> 03:59:48,010
Obviously, having to do with Brian and Spholes and some other issues, but it's the same facility essentially as was permitted in 2014.

2586
03:59:48,590 --> 03:59:55,030
The key difference is how it's to be used and what kind of management is to be used for.

2587
03:59:55,310 --> 03:59:59,170
It was approved pretty much explicitly as a crisis management tool.

2588
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:29,720
And this CDP that we seek and has been supported by the staff of the county is for a different kind of management. I would call it responsible preventive management. And there's a huge difference on in the aquifer that we use. Under emergency management, you basically have to wait until things get really bad, not just bad in, you know, in the terms of shortage of water, but also danger to the environment and to the aquifer itself before you can even start the project.

2589
04:00:29,720 --> 04:00:36,160
running. This is why it has been run since 2015. Under responsible preventive

2590
04:00:36,160 --> 04:00:42,180
management you give our staff a responsible staff and with biological monitoring

2591
04:00:42,180 --> 04:00:48,880
to make sure everything is going properly the ability to for for tell or for just

2592
04:00:48,880 --> 04:00:54,400
to prevent crisis in the aquifer and crisis in the town. So this that's the big

2593
04:00:54,400 --> 04:00:59,440
object to me that we're looking for. Don't wait for things to get really bad

2594
04:00:59,440 --> 04:01:05,400
before we can make it so we can act to prevent these things becoming really bad.

2595
04:01:05,940 --> 04:01:12,480
Thank you very much for your time and I give a next speaker up, right?

2596
04:01:14,760 --> 04:01:15,060
Okay.

2597
04:01:22,730 --> 04:01:26,850
Hi. Thank you for having me and letting me speak. I'm Christina Galloway.

2598
04:01:27,110 --> 04:01:33,190
I chair our North Coast Advisory Council, who has recommended approval of this project,

2599
04:01:33,190 --> 04:01:40,270
this permit and I don't think anybody could say it better than Karen Dean just did so I won't take

2600
04:01:40,270 --> 04:01:46,190
up too much time but as a member of the public who you know often has to work collaboratively with

2601
04:01:46,990 --> 04:01:54,210
local governments I just really really really appreciate the experience of working with the

2602
04:01:54,210 --> 04:02:01,210
community services district and staff and I think that it's a testament to the responsibility that

2603
04:02:01,210 --> 04:02:07,910
But this project that sat around for so long is before you today, you know, when we review

2604
04:02:07,910 --> 04:02:13,650
land use stuff as like an advisory council, we're always told to be reasonable in your

2605
04:02:13,650 --> 04:02:14,210
recommendations.

2606
04:02:15,010 --> 04:02:21,490
And so I would just ask that you all be reasonable in your recommendations today and support

2607
04:02:22,030 --> 04:02:23,310
pushing this project forward.

2608
04:02:23,930 --> 04:02:30,150
I think that that somebody said taking a negative and making it a positive, and I think

2609
04:02:30,150 --> 04:02:39,150
that that's what today signifies and you know sustainability for Cambria and yeah I think that's

2610
04:02:39,150 --> 04:02:43,870
really all just really grateful to be living in a district where you know people could sit around

2611
04:02:43,870 --> 04:02:48,870
if they wanted to and collect their checks and instead they chose to move something forward that

2612
04:02:48,870 --> 04:02:56,210
didn't have movement before so yeah thank you thank you Jim Townsend will be next and the last speaker

2613
04:02:56,210 --> 04:03:00,250
or slip I have is for Robert Dott, that wiler.

2614
04:03:00,870 --> 04:03:00,990
Sorry.

2615
04:03:01,630 --> 04:03:02,070
Go ahead, sir.

2616
04:03:02,210 --> 04:03:02,450
Good afternoon.

2617
04:03:02,950 --> 04:03:03,710
Good afternoon.

2618
04:03:03,870 --> 04:03:04,850
My name is Jim Townsend.

2619
04:03:04,970 --> 04:03:07,530
I'm a resident of Cambria, and I appreciate the opportunity

2620
04:03:07,530 --> 04:03:10,030
to expand on the written comment I previously submitted.

2621
04:03:11,070 --> 04:03:12,830
The CCSD's Water Treatment Project,

2622
04:03:13,750 --> 04:03:16,450
currently called the WRF, called other things in the past,

2623
04:03:17,010 --> 04:03:18,630
has really been a nightmare for the residents,

2624
04:03:18,870 --> 04:03:20,590
and especially the ratepayers of Cambria,

2625
04:03:21,170 --> 04:03:23,070
badly conceived and poorly executed.

2626
04:03:23,790 --> 04:03:25,450
One need to look no further than the fact

2627
04:03:25,450 --> 04:03:32,230
that it's taken 10 years to complete a CDP permit to demonstrate that fact there.

2628
04:03:32,790 --> 04:03:36,490
While there's been plenty of blame to go them around, it's important to note that the CCS

2629
04:03:36,490 --> 04:03:41,370
board and staff has turned over several times during this process and the current leadership

2630
04:03:41,370 --> 04:03:45,010
and management cannot be held responsible for the mess they inherited.

2631
04:03:45,510 --> 04:03:49,330
But in the words of the great late Molly Ivans, when you're in a hole, you stop digging.

2632
04:03:50,830 --> 04:03:53,570
We have no idea what the facility will cost to operate.

2633
04:03:53,570 --> 04:03:58,550
Studies have shown that RO treated water is up to 10 times as expensive as well water.

2634
04:03:58,950 --> 04:04:02,850
We can assume that it takes a lot of our electricity to push that water through those tiny

2635
04:04:02,850 --> 04:04:06,590
RO membranes and pump it up to the injection well.

2636
04:04:07,290 --> 04:04:12,170
Also that we can recover approximately 60% of that expensive treated water.

2637
04:04:12,890 --> 04:04:14,630
And the cost of electricity continues to increase.

2638
04:04:15,110 --> 04:04:19,550
I understand that finances is not under the purview of this commission, but environmental

2639
04:04:19,550 --> 04:04:20,750
justice certainly should be.

2640
04:04:21,610 --> 04:04:28,710
The reality, though, is that we spent millions on this project and we're not getting that money back, millions in debt for the project remain.

2641
04:04:29,510 --> 04:04:36,690
The facility, therefore, should be permitted only for its intended use as promised to the ratepayers, drought protection for existing users.

2642
04:04:37,290 --> 04:04:45,790
The only reason I can see for anyone objecting to that restriction being codified in the conditions of approval is that they hope to use the facility for some other purpose.

2643
04:04:45,790 --> 04:04:50,330
And until the facility has demonstrated a track record of producing high-quality,

2644
04:04:50,730 --> 04:04:54,170
reasonable price waters for existing users, that should not be allowed.

2645
04:04:54,690 --> 04:04:55,330
Thanks very much.

2646
04:04:57,290 --> 04:04:58,210
Thank you, sir.

2647
04:04:59,430 --> 04:05:00,750
Mr. Detweather, good afternoon.

2648
04:05:02,190 --> 04:05:03,530
I'm Bob Detweller.

2649
04:05:03,910 --> 04:05:09,550
My wife and I have lived in Cambria since 1998.

2650
04:05:11,130 --> 04:05:16,670
And I'm getting old and looking back on the experience, I really love it.

2651
04:05:16,670 --> 04:05:27,890
My family loves Korea, but I've had two, well, two really unpleasant activities,

2652
04:05:28,770 --> 04:05:35,350
especially as I do near the end of my age and pass on the opportunity to live there to my

2653
04:05:35,350 --> 04:05:41,810
children and grandchildren. I've always been frightened by two things, and they get worse.

2654
04:05:41,810 --> 04:05:47,050
We are very vulnerable to fire in our community.

2655
04:05:48,570 --> 04:05:52,610
And it's getting worse because there are changes in the environment.

2656
04:05:53,770 --> 04:05:55,670
And we're not keeping up with it.

2657
04:05:56,170 --> 04:06:00,770
It is something I'm fearful of and I think my neighbors are fearful of it.

2658
04:06:01,870 --> 04:06:05,010
And similarly, there's always been a water shortage.

2659
04:06:05,650 --> 04:06:07,790
Now frankly, I've enjoyed my life there.

2660
04:06:07,790 --> 04:06:13,430
But the water shortage can't be ignored indefinitely.

2661
04:06:13,990 --> 04:06:15,330
There is climate change.

2662
04:06:16,070 --> 04:06:22,410
We have, we are one of the few communities in the state that doesn't have to have a hooked

2663
04:06:22,410 --> 04:06:26,850
up permanent sustainable system, we have to move on it.

2664
04:06:27,510 --> 04:06:33,250
I can't say anything beyond what my colleagues have offered about why we should do this.

2665
04:06:33,250 --> 04:06:43,190
Let me thank the community service district in Canberra, those who are making the effort.

2666
04:06:43,710 --> 04:06:46,590
And let me thank the county and you.

2667
04:06:48,750 --> 04:06:49,950
We need this.

2668
04:06:50,530 --> 04:06:53,530
We have a little jam on that community.

2669
04:06:55,210 --> 04:07:04,610
The threat to our economy, to our health, the threat from fire, the threat from the

2670
04:07:04,610 --> 04:07:11,910
continued to continue to lurch from one activity to another without doing real progress.

2671
04:07:12,950 --> 04:07:19,890
So one sentence, thank you for the progress that you have made possible for this one improvement.

2672
04:07:20,270 --> 04:07:26,910
It's not going to make all of our problems, but it's the best move forward in the time that I've lived here.

2673
04:07:27,250 --> 04:07:27,550
Thank you.

2674
04:07:27,830 --> 04:07:28,490
Thank you, sir.

2675
04:07:30,310 --> 04:07:33,470
That completes all of the speaker slips I have.

2676
04:07:33,470 --> 04:07:37,070
Anyone else for public comment before we move on?

2677
04:07:39,130 --> 04:07:44,310
Okay, I'm going to go ahead and close public comment and return to staff and

2678
04:07:44,310 --> 04:07:48,910
ask if they have any information to share based on the comments we received.

2679
04:07:54,340 --> 04:07:55,300
Yes, thank you.

2680
04:07:55,840 --> 04:08:04,920
To address a couple of comments, I encourage to the comment we're going, the discharge extension,

2681
04:08:04,920 --> 04:08:11,860
The discharge that's a question already exists and was actually reviewed

2682
04:08:11,860 --> 04:08:18,140
of our mentally and the SEIR, but the extension of the discharge part was not placed and

2683
04:08:18,140 --> 04:08:21,420
the identified of our own review.

2684
04:08:22,160 --> 04:08:27,680
And so this is extension of our even reviewed and they're just the district is looking to extend

2685
04:08:27,680 --> 04:08:30,200
it to where it was already environmentally looked at.

2686
04:08:32,320 --> 04:08:38,220
Second, the removal of the pond liner,

2687
04:08:39,640 --> 04:08:48,540
environmentally it was looked at and that it was looking to be a condition of an analysis that the pond,

2688
04:08:49,960 --> 04:08:53,540
the vendor reservoir would be restored back to their original connections.

2689
04:08:57,360 --> 04:08:57,800
And

2690
04:09:00,520 --> 04:09:04,680
I think those are the biggest items that identified that there are questions on.

2691
04:09:05,280 --> 04:09:06,440
Thank you, I appreciate that.

2692
04:09:07,060 --> 04:09:13,840
Eric Kusek, planning building, just wanted to other, there was a comment about the conditions of approval, the regional water board.

2693
04:09:14,000 --> 04:09:19,660
And I just want to note that those conditions are simply stating the applicant has to comply with the regional water quality control boards.

2694
04:09:20,380 --> 04:09:24,760
You know, permitting requirements in that they must obtain any applicable permits from them.

2695
04:09:24,760 --> 04:09:26,940
So I just wanted to clarify that for the record, thank you.

2696
04:09:28,420 --> 04:09:37,200
I just had one follow-up, all the photos of the road flooding, JR, is this something you're working on?

2697
04:09:37,520 --> 04:09:39,820
Or is there any remedy for this?

2698
04:09:42,300 --> 04:09:47,340
Chair, beard public work, so actually this was just brought to my attention this afternoon.

2699
04:09:47,760 --> 04:09:55,720
So, yes, for as a grading permit application, I mean, how this would be handled as if there was a grading permit application submitted to the planning building department.

2700
04:09:55,720 --> 04:10:08,680
And then my team would review that, but, you know, at that time, when this was installed, you know, as part of that original emergency permit, I'm not aware of anything kind of predates me unfortunately.

2701
04:10:09,000 --> 04:10:19,200
So, but if a grading permit application were submitted to planning and building route it to us, we would evaluate it at that time, but kind of water under the bridge at this point.

2702
04:10:21,480 --> 04:10:22,640
Well, for the road.

2703
04:10:23,440 --> 04:10:23,980
So public.

2704
04:10:24,220 --> 04:10:29,740
If I may, Eric Hughes, planning, building, just that the overall kind of the GR is point

2705
04:10:29,740 --> 04:10:34,760
for the grading permit being reviewed, the project is not expected, you know, as part

2706
04:10:34,760 --> 04:10:41,480
of the environmental analysis, right, it's not expected to exacerbate flooding and, of

2707
04:10:41,480 --> 04:10:46,020
course, when those plans to come in, again, they are reviewed to make sure the drainage isn't

2708
04:10:46,020 --> 04:10:50,080
being changed, or if it is that it's being handled accordingly, but it did not anticipate

2709
04:10:50,080 --> 04:10:50,540
it back.

2710
04:10:51,060 --> 04:10:51,700
Okay.

2711
04:10:52,260 --> 04:10:55,200
Well, I did have some follow-up questions on the road flooding.

2712
04:10:55,720 --> 04:11:02,100
I'm 2023 was an exceptional year with some high water marks that's been referenced, but

2713
04:11:02,100 --> 04:11:06,160
we're talking about grading downslope from the flooding.

2714
04:11:06,880 --> 04:11:12,560
And we usually talk about issues associated with exacerbating flooding that are upslope

2715
04:11:12,560 --> 04:11:14,420
issues exacerbating.

2716
04:11:14,420 --> 04:11:21,180
So I'm not quite clear on the case, Mr. Warren has made for how our downslope activities

2717
04:11:21,950 --> 04:11:24,180
are exacerbating that road issue.

2718
04:11:25,950 --> 04:11:27,840
So that would be something to look at.

2719
04:11:27,980 --> 04:11:32,340
I guess an associated question is there's been some claim that the site flooded.

2720
04:11:33,510 --> 04:11:39,020
The facility site flooded, maybe that same year, is that the case, or I haven't heard

2721
04:11:39,020 --> 04:11:39,760
that confirmed.

2722
04:11:39,760 --> 04:11:44,540
I heard that in a few instances, but it wasn't clear.

2723
04:11:45,320 --> 04:11:47,260
Commissioner White, I'll defer to the applicant.

2724
04:11:47,640 --> 04:11:48,680
Thanks, Mr. Hease.

2725
04:11:52,300 --> 04:11:57,060
Here did not title 27 requirements, there's nothing can get out and

2726
04:11:57,060 --> 04:11:58,400
nothing can come into it.

2727
04:11:58,840 --> 04:12:04,080
So that was simply storm flow coming into that which proceeded the decommissioning of that facility at that time.

2728
04:12:04,640 --> 04:12:09,240
It had about, it's a 9 million gallon storage pond and I think at that time,

2729
04:12:09,940 --> 04:12:14,500
Pre-ding that 2017 storm had about six and a half million gallons in it.

2730
04:12:14,900 --> 04:12:19,580
Even with that additional storm intrusion into the pond, it did not overflow at that point.

2731
04:12:20,000 --> 04:12:25,860
But again, it was that storm water entered the pond, which led to the decommissioning of that title 27 pond.

2732
04:12:26,940 --> 04:12:32,700
Okay, so that was related, but not necessarily related or causation for the road flooding.

2733
04:12:33,460 --> 04:12:36,860
I wouldn't agree with that.

2734
04:12:36,860 --> 04:12:38,620
but I think we usually have more issues

2735
04:12:38,620 --> 04:12:40,920
from the upslope contributions

2736
04:12:40,920 --> 04:12:44,180
than the downslope ones would be a rough guess.

2737
04:12:44,720 --> 04:12:47,740
Right, the van gold reservoir is actually never overflowed

2738
04:12:47,740 --> 04:12:50,300
at least in my time here, which has been eight years.

2739
04:12:50,460 --> 04:12:53,060
And I think we've had 300 or 200 year floods

2740
04:12:53,060 --> 04:12:54,120
during that period, so.

2741
04:12:54,320 --> 04:12:57,300
Okay, and then what about the facility site flooding

2742
04:12:57,300 --> 04:13:01,380
or issues related to that site and more facilities

2743
04:13:01,380 --> 04:13:04,840
on that site, if say there was a ZLD plant added?

2744
04:13:04,840 --> 04:13:11,560
Yeah, the actual facility itself, the WRF at $9.90 in the equic road is outside of the

2745
04:13:11,560 --> 04:13:17,380
100-year floodplain and has never experienced any flooding issues or haunting issues there.

2746
04:13:17,960 --> 04:13:23,040
It's also where our percolation ponds for our treated wastewater effluent is discharged

2747
04:13:23,040 --> 04:13:23,340
too.

2748
04:13:23,540 --> 04:13:28,800
So we've never had any flooding or issues at either location.

2749
04:13:29,320 --> 04:13:32,900
Okay, and then if I may follow up, did you have another one there that I'm interrupting?

2750
04:13:32,900 --> 04:13:41,040
No, or shall it, am I okay continuing on that thread because I'm that was related oh you do go ahead because mine sort of sideways

2751
04:13:41,040 --> 04:13:47,140
Well, just kind of the pond. I'm just not clarifying so it is going to remain lined or it is going to be

2752
04:13:47,700 --> 04:13:49,300
The line is being removed

2753
04:13:50,340 --> 04:13:54,880
The liner would be removed. That's part of the application right now. Yes

2754
04:13:55,540 --> 04:13:57,340
I also defer to

2755
04:13:59,500 --> 04:14:05,040
So these are great questions about the pond and I want to give some background, Matthew McLean, General Manager for the district.

2756
04:14:05,940 --> 04:14:15,500
So when we started pushing this forward as staff towards the stage that we're at today, we started early conversations with the Coastal Commission.

2757
04:14:16,020 --> 04:14:26,360
When we talk about mitigation, we talk about ESHA, we talk about those types of things, we started engaging coastal staff about what supposed impacts we've had on the area.

2758
04:14:26,360 --> 04:14:31,960
And there's been arguments about pre-disturbed ash, unmapped ash, it's a rather convoluted topic.

2759
04:14:32,460 --> 04:14:37,560
And some of those early conversations, the Coastal Commission, was very favorable of returning

2760
04:14:37,560 --> 04:14:43,080
that pawn to its natural pre-disturbed state, which was the Van Gordon reservoir.

2761
04:14:43,400 --> 04:14:48,380
And so, from a district perspective, we know that we have to eventually come to the Coastal

2762
04:14:48,380 --> 04:14:48,580
Commission.

2763
04:14:48,820 --> 04:14:50,980
I think we all know this is coming to the Coastal Commission.

2764
04:14:51,540 --> 04:14:55,020
And so, we started engaging those conversations to basically say to the Coastal Commission,

2765
04:14:55,020 --> 04:14:59,860
what do you want, you know, what do you want us to offer out to offset some of these issues?

2766
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:29,920
And one of those was the removal of that pond liner and returning it back to Asha. And I know the commission, you know, in conversations with the commissioners, and even amongst our staff, there is a lot of interest in leaving the liner and using it for stormwater storage for fire protection, or even potentially in the future amending our permit to allow for off-stream storage, which is going to be a longer permitting process. But ultimately, from a staff perspective, we've come to grips with, we're going to do what we're conditioned.

2767
04:15:29,920 --> 04:15:36,140
to do, which is if we're able to keep it as a storage for stormwater, for fire protection,

2768
04:15:36,300 --> 04:15:40,620
we would love to do that if we were able to satisfy coastal commissions needs when we get

2769
04:15:40,620 --> 04:15:46,140
there in terms of offering up some other form of mitigation. So the district is in favor of leaving it

2770
04:15:46,140 --> 04:15:52,220
for fire protection. Our conversations led us to believe early on that that wasn't going to be an

2771
04:15:52,220 --> 04:15:54,520
option. Hope that makes sense.

2772
04:15:54,740 --> 04:15:57,560
Yeah. What year was the, what year was it lined?

2773
04:15:59,830 --> 04:16:05,030
2014. Okay, and then um, and the decommissioned in 2017.

2774
04:16:05,270 --> 04:16:10,550
And what's co and coastal commission just so clear they're somewhat in favor of it

2775
04:16:10,550 --> 04:16:16,710
staying lined? No, they like it restored. And again, this was some conversations with coastal

2776
04:16:16,710 --> 04:16:22,110
staff that have since retired. And we've engaged new or coastal staff in our area, specifically

2777
04:16:22,110 --> 04:16:25,230
Lee, Mr. Moroni, who is at the site with you, Commissioner.

2778
04:16:27,170 --> 04:16:33,270
And he says that the commission currently is sensitive to fire protection in California.

2779
04:16:33,270 --> 04:16:39,210
And that that potentially could be an option that we could use it for stormwater storage, for fire protection.

2780
04:16:39,510 --> 04:16:44,190
We would just have to find some other way in terms of offering up some other mitigation down range.

2781
04:16:44,970 --> 04:16:49,030
Okay, and that's why I ask because that's what I thought I understood as well.

2782
04:16:49,030 --> 04:16:55,950
And that's something maybe we can discuss when we get to kind of discussion of trade

2783
04:16:55,950 --> 04:17:02,150
offs or conditions, but so along those lines on the pond, there's the issue of potential

2784
04:17:02,150 --> 04:17:08,970
lined or unlined and the various potentials for use for fire suppression water and potentially

2785
04:17:08,970 --> 04:17:11,770
other storage uses on the table.

2786
04:17:12,170 --> 04:17:16,910
And then Mr. Warren has brought up an issue about percolation there and kind of protecting

2787
04:17:16,910 --> 04:17:31,770
his well-right interest, so I'm not sure he completely understood that, but it sounded like taking out the liner would better protect kind of the interests of that nearby well and the nearby agricultural use rights.

2788
04:17:32,450 --> 04:17:37,290
Can you give us a little more sense of that or whether you think that's a valid characterization or not?

2789
04:17:37,690 --> 04:17:45,750
I'll probably turn that over to my staff, but I think we're in disagreement there in terms of our effect on his water rights specifically with that pond.

2790
04:17:45,750 --> 04:17:51,750
I think the other aspect of that is if you remove that liner, and we hit dry season,

2791
04:17:52,250 --> 04:17:56,150
we don't believe that that would be able to store much water, because it will eventually

2792
04:17:56,150 --> 04:17:59,310
leach into the ground, and especially during the dry times.

2793
04:17:59,770 --> 04:18:02,150
So we would almost need that liner in there.

2794
04:18:02,970 --> 04:18:04,670
I can turn it over to...

2795
04:18:05,190 --> 04:18:09,810
Okay, and just before you do that though, so what I'm hearing you say is, if we hit dry

2796
04:18:09,810 --> 04:18:15,390
times and there's no liner percolation, there isn't going to help anybody, because it's

2797
04:18:15,390 --> 04:18:20,090
It's just going to seep through, so we have no fire protection, no help for Mr. Warren effectively.

2798
04:18:20,870 --> 04:18:26,950
Or may it be a little residual wildlife mushy zone?

2799
04:18:27,150 --> 04:18:29,910
I may be, maybe not depending on how dry, how long.

2800
04:18:30,290 --> 04:18:31,630
That's correct, that's our position commissioner.

2801
04:18:31,870 --> 04:18:33,630
Okay, thank you, that's helpful to understand.

2802
04:18:38,090 --> 04:18:44,190
I've got a bunch, so you want me to carry on, or you add more on the pond?

2803
04:18:44,350 --> 04:18:45,390
I have some of my questions here.

2804
04:18:45,670 --> 04:18:47,570
You know, you go ahead, you might answer some of mine.

2805
04:18:47,570 --> 04:18:50,790
Okay, all right then, then I'll carry on with them.

2806
04:18:51,370 --> 04:18:57,030
So this is maybe for staff, but we've had several questions in our written correspondence.

2807
04:18:57,230 --> 04:19:02,590
I thought maybe more would come up here today in the hearing, but help us understand the

2808
04:19:02,590 --> 04:19:09,810
EIR, the environmental impact report work, and the supplemental EIR, the SEIR, and certification

2809
04:19:09,810 --> 04:19:10,750
of those.

2810
04:19:10,750 --> 04:19:13,970
We're not certifying those here today.

2811
04:19:14,390 --> 04:19:16,110
We are referencing them.

2812
04:19:16,430 --> 04:19:17,510
Who certified those?

2813
04:19:18,410 --> 04:19:19,950
Eric Hughes planning building.

2814
04:19:20,610 --> 04:19:23,830
So the Cambria CST is actually its own lead agency.

2815
04:19:24,630 --> 04:19:28,430
And so they are responsible for preparing their own environmental document.

2816
04:19:28,810 --> 04:19:34,450
In this case, the county is a responsible agency because we're issuing a conditional development

2817
04:19:34,450 --> 04:19:34,810
permit.

2818
04:19:35,730 --> 04:19:38,570
And so they're ultimately responsible for preparing it.

2819
04:19:38,570 --> 04:19:57,890
We have reviewed it and I would note during the preparation, right, we have the ability to review it, comment, make sure that the environmental analysis covers the issues that we would look at typically not only from a sequel perspective but also counting policies and making sure that those have been addressed.

2820
04:19:58,630 --> 04:20:05,290
And so that EIR is certified by their board, and then as a responsible agency, we make

2821
04:20:05,290 --> 04:20:10,810
our own CEQA findings in the record, and then ultimately find the project consistent

2822
04:20:10,810 --> 04:20:11,710
with that analysis.

2823
04:20:12,550 --> 04:20:12,890
Okay.

2824
04:20:13,150 --> 04:20:13,330
Thank you.

2825
04:20:13,390 --> 04:20:19,030
That's helpful, because we're often the ones certifying that environmental review work, and

2826
04:20:19,030 --> 04:20:20,450
that's not happening today.

2827
04:20:20,630 --> 04:20:22,850
So thank you really appreciate that description.

2828
04:20:22,850 --> 04:20:29,830
And then along those lines, that review has various mitigation options and we'll get

2829
04:20:29,830 --> 04:20:37,230
into a few more of these in relation to the Coastal Commission letter from Jackson, as far

2830
04:20:37,230 --> 04:20:37,930
as those go.

2831
04:20:38,350 --> 04:20:44,430
But will you help us understand Mr. Hughes maybe a little more about the mitigation options

2832
04:20:44,430 --> 04:20:44,830
available?

2833
04:20:45,130 --> 04:20:50,450
We've certainly just been talking about the pond remediation as one of the mitigations.

2834
04:20:50,450 --> 04:20:55,930
And so some of those are on the table, you know, depending on which way we go with the

2835
04:20:55,930 --> 04:20:59,330
pond remediation or potential for other beneficial uses.

2836
04:21:00,070 --> 04:21:02,490
How much do we have to know at this point?

2837
04:21:02,690 --> 04:21:07,910
I'm not certifying the IR, but what mitigations may be on the table?

2838
04:21:09,410 --> 04:21:14,050
You know, there could be some other mitigations that aren't already in here.

2839
04:21:14,230 --> 04:21:17,890
For example, on site, we discussed so important for the public to know.

2840
04:21:17,890 --> 04:21:24,450
So the district owns roughly 95 acres here, much of that is, much are all of that is Esha.

2841
04:21:25,090 --> 04:21:29,670
And so there could be some potential for some further conservation easements on that

2842
04:21:29,670 --> 04:21:32,150
property that aren't currently on the table.

2843
04:21:33,810 --> 04:21:40,810
If somehow there is some collaboration with San Simian Services District and the potential

2844
04:21:40,810 --> 04:21:46,550
for some piping or activities there, we discussed with Mr. Moroney from the Coastal Commission.

2845
04:21:46,550 --> 04:21:56,530
We could see some potential where we could, in theory, have some piping from this Sam Simian road site up to the Sam Simian district site.

2846
04:21:57,090 --> 04:22:04,850
And we could potentially put a bike path or some public recreational use area on top of those pipes as mitigation.

2847
04:22:05,650 --> 04:22:08,330
And so none of these are in the reports before us.

2848
04:22:09,810 --> 04:22:13,150
So knowing this goes to coastal commission ahead.

2849
04:22:13,830 --> 04:22:22,850
How much of that needs to be in the record, now, or are we to be weighing in on those potentials for the future?

2850
04:22:25,840 --> 04:22:27,000
Eric, he's planning a building.

2851
04:22:27,640 --> 04:22:32,120
So I think I've maybe distinguished the difference between condition and mitigation.

2852
04:22:33,680 --> 04:22:37,640
I'll be first to admit, I don't know all the mitigation measures.

2853
04:22:38,380 --> 04:22:43,720
And I would rely partly on the applicant's equal team as far as all the specific mitigations.

2854
04:22:43,720 --> 04:22:55,920
but I will say that the impacts or the mitigations that have been applied to this project and adopted as part of our conditions of approval mitigate the impact, particularly as it relates to Esha.

2855
04:22:56,820 --> 04:23:12,340
And so if there were additional measures that this commission chose to implement and request for the applicant and they ultimately accepted, I would look at them maybe more as not a mitigation to an impact, but some type of condition that's being imposed on the project.

2856
04:23:12,340 --> 04:23:13,660
for some purpose.

2857
04:23:14,480 --> 04:23:17,400
Ultimately, in looking at the IAR and the mitigations,

2858
04:23:17,520 --> 04:23:20,500
we found that those mitigations were adequate for the purposes

2859
04:23:20,500 --> 04:23:23,440
of mitigating whatever the particular impact was.

2860
04:23:23,920 --> 04:23:27,280
But again, I think we're getting more into requests

2861
04:23:27,280 --> 04:23:29,380
of the commission that would be more conditions

2862
04:23:29,380 --> 04:23:31,440
and again, stay away from the mitigation.

2863
04:23:31,580 --> 04:23:33,300
It's not mitigating the impact per se.

2864
04:23:33,620 --> 04:23:37,360
Okay, well, well, let's just take a specific example here

2865
04:23:37,360 --> 04:23:38,860
of what we may opt to do.

2866
04:23:38,860 --> 04:24:00,840
For example, if we found that the beneficial use of maintaining the current ponds line was a worthwhile endeavor and we didn't want to condition the removal of that liner, but that is now a mitigation under the environmental work.

2867
04:24:00,840 --> 04:24:18,820
I'm one would assume we would want to have in hand or some ideas for other mitigations that would replace that such as the consideration of conservation easement on some other portion of that 95-acre parcel.

2868
04:24:20,100 --> 04:24:26,220
If we were taking that one mitigation off the table, I think it would behooves us to have some others in mind.

2869
04:24:26,220 --> 04:24:30,300
But the mitigation was only a recommendation, correct?

2870
04:24:32,220 --> 04:24:35,840
The pond line here is a recommendation to mitigate to remove.

2871
04:24:36,780 --> 04:24:40,400
Well, I think that was listed in the environmental work as a mitigation.

2872
04:24:41,860 --> 04:24:46,880
I'd have to look at that, Commissioner White, in terms of in the ER, if that was listed as mitigation.

2873
04:24:47,300 --> 04:24:52,160
I know that we've already offered up acreage as a part of the conservation easement, which Mr.

2874
04:24:52,160 --> 04:24:58,860
is not the document. That's not the pawn itself, but we put that in the project description

2875
04:24:59,280 --> 04:25:04,320
to remove the liner and restore it as a precursor to what we thought the coastal commission

2876
04:25:04,320 --> 04:25:10,600
would want. I don't know if that was necessarily a mitigation piece of this permitting process

2877
04:25:10,600 --> 04:25:13,680
or in the environmental work, but I could double check with myself.

2878
04:25:13,700 --> 04:25:17,980
Okay, so maybe that's something we could circle back to. Should we choose to go there? I'm still

2879
04:25:17,980 --> 04:25:23,260
sort of were in questions before we get to discussion, but it seemed to me some possibility

2880
04:25:23,260 --> 04:25:28,300
that leaving that line are maybe more in the community's interest than removing it.

2881
04:25:28,960 --> 04:25:33,980
So I will go there, but maybe staff can look and I see Brandy over there, maybe has some

2882
04:25:33,980 --> 04:25:40,260
answers, somebody may as far as conditions versus mitigations and how much we need to get

2883
04:25:40,260 --> 04:25:41,400
into it at this point.

2884
04:25:41,400 --> 04:25:49,360
right. Lots of other questions here. Help us understand AMP, management plan, adaptive

2885
04:25:49,360 --> 04:25:58,200
management plan, and some questions there in the Jackson letter. But just again, what is

2886
04:25:58,200 --> 04:26:00,840
our adaptive management plan? And what is it doing?

2887
04:26:01,240 --> 04:26:04,280
That's a great question, Commissioner. I do have our biologist, Kevin Merck.

2888
04:26:04,800 --> 04:26:07,400
Great, great, because I didn't quite get it.

2889
04:26:07,400 --> 04:26:13,760
And then I do have Brandon Cummings from SWCA, SWCA, who did our policy consistency analysis,

2890
04:26:13,960 --> 04:26:17,140
which addressed all of Mr. Jackson's comments from the Coastal Commission.

2891
04:26:17,540 --> 04:26:20,440
So that's a part of the submission that we gave to Mr. Foyne.

2892
04:26:20,720 --> 04:26:25,620
Okay, that's great, because we'll want to go over that, because I think that's really important knowing this goes there.

2893
04:26:26,340 --> 04:26:29,080
Commissioner Kevin Merck, biologist helping the district.

2894
04:26:30,180 --> 04:26:36,800
The Adaptive Management Plan is a tool of mechanism to help monitors select metrics along the creek corridor

2895
04:26:36,800 --> 04:26:39,580
or when the plant is in fact running to determine

2896
04:26:39,580 --> 04:26:42,380
if draw down of the creek is happening too quickly.

2897
04:26:43,060 --> 04:26:45,740
So it's really just a series of protocols.

2898
04:26:46,340 --> 04:26:48,740
The baseline monitoring has been conducted

2899
04:26:48,740 --> 04:26:50,000
over the last several years.

2900
04:26:50,500 --> 04:26:52,400
Once the worth is in operation,

2901
04:26:52,980 --> 04:26:55,120
then we continue to do the monitoring

2902
04:26:55,120 --> 04:26:57,840
just to go to the select sampling points

2903
04:26:57,840 --> 04:27:00,560
and determine if worth operations

2904
04:27:00,560 --> 04:27:02,560
are drawing down the water too quickly.

2905
04:27:03,600 --> 04:27:12,020
Okay, so that's, oh, um, you're looking at some of those sort of test wells and then going to those and looking at water levels.

2906
04:27:12,280 --> 04:27:17,960
There are those test wells that are being monitored, but we are as biologists and really looking at the amp.

2907
04:27:18,080 --> 04:27:25,680
There's a number of factors in the amp, but for the biology, we are looking at things in Van Gordon Creek and Santa Rosa Creek.

2908
04:27:25,680 --> 04:27:33,380
in that's a health of wildlife and repair and vegetation and other factors than just a water level.

2909
04:27:33,740 --> 04:27:33,900
Correct.

2910
04:27:34,220 --> 04:27:34,740
The factor.

2911
04:27:35,280 --> 04:27:41,340
Okay, so that gets into the question then about baseline studies and in-stream flow studies

2912
04:27:41,340 --> 04:27:43,240
that's been asked multiple times.

2913
04:27:44,040 --> 04:27:48,620
So from your perspective, do we have adequate in-stream flow baseline data?

2914
04:27:49,140 --> 04:27:50,000
I guess we sure do.

2915
04:27:50,000 --> 04:28:01,620
We have gotten so much field work done and, of course, other colleagues who are out there doing protocol level, red-legged frog surveys, we're doing the amp monitoring on a quarterly basis.

2916
04:28:02,460 --> 04:28:08,900
And then we also have other scientists out there doing the in-stream flow studies and looking at fisheries.

2917
04:28:09,360 --> 04:28:14,180
Okay, so you're prepared to respond to the Jackson Coastal Commission letter.

2918
04:28:14,180 --> 04:28:17,880
whether that's adequate and infatic, yes.

2919
04:28:18,840 --> 04:28:23,220
Okay, and then along the lines of the questions from the Coastal Commission,

2920
04:28:23,500 --> 04:28:31,340
help us understand Jackson's proposed 140 GPM to the San Seeming Creek Lagoon,

2921
04:28:31,820 --> 04:28:36,440
versus this project's proposed 100 GPM into the Lagoon.

2922
04:28:36,580 --> 04:28:38,420
There's a fair discrepancy there.

2923
04:28:38,420 --> 04:28:56,060
I would have to say I'm not the project hydrologist, but my understanding is 100 gallons per minute minimum, and the hydrology team that's been working on this has been pretty impressive in all the effort that they've put towards this and looking at what it would take to maintain the lagoon.

2924
04:28:56,060 --> 04:29:16,060
And so I'd have to defer that to our hydrology experts, but our understanding is that the minimum of 100 gallons per minute could be put into the lagoon in order to ensure resources such as trout, gobies, red-legged frogs are maintained and enhanced their habitat is enhanced.

2925
04:29:16,680 --> 04:29:34,060
Okay, so other staff confirming this as 100 as a minimum, I didn't hear that on site and I don't see that reflected in the documents that we could be looking at a higher amount which seems to be what coastal suggests they'll want to see.

2926
04:29:35,480 --> 04:29:37,340
Like I said, I'm not the project hydrology.

2927
04:29:37,340 --> 04:29:42,000
Right, so I'll go, I mean, that kind of gets them, thank you for that.

2928
04:29:42,700 --> 04:29:53,100
Are you prepared to talk about the, nobody wants to hear this, but Coastal asks that so

2929
04:29:53,100 --> 04:29:53,920
it's going to come up.

2930
04:29:54,480 --> 04:29:59,960
Coastal has a very interesting calculation for Esha mitigation, for the six acres of

2931
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:24,340
All ready, disturbed, suggesting a 4-to-1 ratio times the 10 years already in operation. So, would you like to respond to that suggestion? No, you wouldn't. Of course, you wouldn't. That was amongst the dumbest questions of the day, but why not? Oh, I see, Mr. McLean is going to take that one on, sir. Thank you. I'm not sure I'm going to give a much better answer.

2932
04:30:27,140 --> 04:30:29,980
I'm a firefighter that retired. No offense.

2933
04:30:31,440 --> 04:30:40,600
I'm a firefighter that moved into this position, so it's not my expertise, but I can tell you some of the frustrations that from a district level we've had with the Coastal Commission because I don't know what that number means.

2934
04:30:41,100 --> 04:30:47,980
I've asked that, and I can't get to the bottom of it, so we'll work with the Coastal Commission when we get there.

2935
04:30:48,260 --> 04:30:57,280
I mean, if we talk about 10 years, at a four by one mitigation radio ratio that turns into 100 acre years, I don't know what that means, and I only know we have 95 acres.

2936
04:30:57,280 --> 04:31:02,540
Okay. I was just checking because that math didn't work in my mind either, so that's

2937
04:31:02,540 --> 04:31:07,240
one of the challenges ahead. I think addressing that impact over some number of past years

2938
04:31:07,240 --> 04:31:11,060
and how the heck you're going to handle that one as you go forward.

2939
04:31:11,520 --> 04:31:17,320
What about the sense, and I'm not sure who gets this one, but the sense and question of

2940
04:31:17,320 --> 04:31:24,780
total draw with the pedodi and the Warren allocations. And if that tips you over some threshold

2941
04:31:24,780 --> 04:31:29,560
in the problem zone with those other allocations

2942
04:31:29,560 --> 04:31:32,940
from the nearby wells of those two agricultural journalists.

2943
04:31:33,360 --> 04:31:36,740
We do have a hydrology study in which we don't have an impact on.

2944
04:31:38,180 --> 04:31:42,640
Okay, so you've done the study is showing that total draw

2945
04:31:42,640 --> 04:31:44,520
with those allocations.

2946
04:31:46,180 --> 04:31:47,560
If I may, Commissioner.

2947
04:31:49,080 --> 04:31:53,020
The CCCC's responsibility under the 2007 Warren settlement

2948
04:31:53,440 --> 04:32:02,120
was that we provide him 183 and a half acre feet of non-potable water, and there's a 21 and a half of potable water.

2949
04:32:03,420 --> 04:32:05,560
It doesn't specify where that water has to come from.

2950
04:32:06,740 --> 04:32:11,760
And so right now he draws it from a well that's close to 9 p7, the social water for the WRF.

2951
04:32:12,340 --> 04:32:14,840
However, we do not have to supply him water from that well.

2952
04:32:15,260 --> 04:32:21,900
We just have to supply him a certain volume and pressure at a meter located at the edge of the sensing and creek road.

2953
04:32:21,900 --> 04:32:27,060
Okay. So, you have some options then for how that works and is expressed concerns with

2954
04:32:27,060 --> 04:32:31,780
that specific well in P7. Our ideal breaker there.

2955
04:32:32,300 --> 04:32:38,220
Correct. We actually own that well as R well. He has controls that operate the well, but

2956
04:32:38,220 --> 04:32:41,600
it's ultimately R well in any maintenance that goes on into it. Is it relative to the

2957
04:32:41,600 --> 04:32:42,140
our responsibility?

2958
04:32:42,660 --> 04:32:47,040
Okay. So, you can do some workarounds if there is a Cona depression or some issue related

2959
04:32:47,040 --> 04:32:49,740
to that specific well and his rights there.

2960
04:32:50,320 --> 04:32:50,880
Okay, thank you.

2961
04:32:50,960 --> 04:32:51,920
That's helpful to understand.

2962
04:32:52,080 --> 04:32:56,800
What about who wants campground impacts brought up by Jackson's letter

2963
04:32:56,800 --> 04:32:59,100
and the Coastal Commission is going to be looking at.

2964
04:32:59,100 --> 04:33:04,500
They have a real interest in visitor serving, recreational uses.

2965
04:33:05,380 --> 04:33:10,400
So I believe those were visual impacts related to campground visuals.

2966
04:33:11,040 --> 04:33:16,800
And was that related to the facility or to the liner at the pond?

2967
04:33:17,400 --> 04:33:24,460
It was more related to the way that the evaporation pond was built at that time.

2968
04:33:24,720 --> 04:33:32,280
So we had four, five large blowers and the sound enclosures around those that were constructed.

2969
04:33:32,280 --> 04:33:35,260
And that was the visual impact. Those blowers have now been removed.

2970
04:33:35,260 --> 04:33:35,620
Okay.

2971
04:33:35,760 --> 04:33:40,600
And as a part of our transition into the new way that we deal with the brand disposal

2972
04:33:40,600 --> 04:33:44,100
issue and specifically that pawn, those sound enclosures are going to be removed.

2973
04:33:44,440 --> 04:33:46,420
And that should address the visual impacts.

2974
04:33:46,660 --> 04:33:46,820
Okay.

2975
04:33:46,960 --> 04:33:48,200
So you think that's handled there.

2976
04:33:48,360 --> 04:33:48,520
Great.

2977
04:33:48,860 --> 04:33:49,120
Okay.

2978
04:33:49,320 --> 04:33:55,900
Well, that sounds like the general questions that I saw in that letter reference.

2979
04:33:55,900 --> 04:33:57,660
So that's helpful to understand.

2980
04:33:58,160 --> 04:34:04,100
So one related one that I'm still confused on going a little bit backwards is what we're

2981
04:34:04,100 --> 04:34:09,560
permitting because I'm hearing different numbers as far as gallon per minute allowances.

2982
04:34:10,300 --> 04:34:16,480
So what I've understood is 425 gallons per minute, five days a week up to seven months

2983
04:34:16,480 --> 04:34:22,600
a year pumping for community use, plus something for the lagoon.

2984
04:34:23,100 --> 04:34:27,240
And I thought that something was a hundred, but now I'm hearing that something is a minimum

2985
04:34:27,240 --> 04:34:31,280
of a hundred, maybe a hundred and forty, what the commission seems to want.

2986
04:34:31,880 --> 04:34:43,900
So, help us understand if we're permitting some amount of pumping, and in gallons per minute, five days a year up to seven months a year, five days a week up to seven months a year.

2987
04:34:44,240 --> 04:34:49,000
What number of gallons per minute are we allowing production of?

2988
04:34:49,580 --> 04:34:50,260
Thank you, Commissioner.

2989
04:34:50,800 --> 04:34:57,580
I will say that that's variable as is with the lagoon discharge, but I'll turn it over to our utilities manager Jim Green who can answer that.

2990
04:34:57,580 --> 04:35:02,960
Okay, because I think that may be helpful to make sure we are very clear on our conditions for what we mean.

2991
04:35:03,880 --> 04:35:06,320
Absolutely, Commissioner Jim Green, CCSD.

2992
04:35:07,200 --> 04:35:08,740
We did two tracer studies.

2993
04:35:09,280 --> 04:35:13,440
There's a residence time that we have to have from our re-injection well to see in Simeon well number two.

2994
04:35:13,540 --> 04:35:16,280
That's a 60-day duration that we have to have.

2995
04:35:16,900 --> 04:35:27,560
We achieved that tracer study duration in that gallon per minute that was established at that time to meet that 60-day residency time is 425 gallons.

2996
04:35:27,580 --> 04:35:33,160
a minute. The other question, I think I'll address right now, is the 100 or versus

2997
04:35:33,160 --> 04:35:38,980
140, our adapted management plan should speak to that. If we're flowing mitigation water

2998
04:35:38,980 --> 04:35:45,940
at a rate, discharge of 400 gallons a minute, and it's not meeting the needs of the lagoon

2999
04:35:45,940 --> 04:35:50,640
and the impacts are worsening, then we can certainly raise that to 140. We can go above that

3000
04:35:50,640 --> 04:35:56,400
as well. The 9P7 well pump will pump a million gallons a day, which is about 600, and

3001
04:35:56,400 --> 04:36:09,280
But 36 gallons per minute, we have that constrained to 525 for 100 gallons, a minute going to mitigation water, and then that 425 going to treatment which is then re-injected at that discharge rate.

3002
04:36:11,560 --> 04:36:17,180
So I guess we're talking about two things there, and I thought I was confused, then I realized I'm a little more confused.

3003
04:36:17,380 --> 04:36:26,660
We're talking about what the RO plant pumps out, and what the well pumps up 60 days or more later.

3004
04:36:26,660 --> 04:36:32,380
right so that that pumping rate or the RO processing rate or that re-injecture rates all kind of the same thing

3005
04:36:32,380 --> 04:36:42,740
that's a 425 gallon per minute permit restriction. Okay, so that's a 425 hard total but then the actual pumping rate

3006
04:36:43,380 --> 04:36:53,360
60 days plus later would be could be 425 plus whatever it needs to be because the pump can do you're saying a thousand gallons a minute?

3007
04:36:55,840 --> 04:37:01,380
We have that additional free board on top of that to establish at a hundred gallons

3008
04:37:01,380 --> 04:37:06,380
a minute or 140 gallons a minute or even in excess of that if the lagoon impacts would

3009
04:37:06,380 --> 04:37:07,040
require that.

3010
04:37:07,480 --> 04:37:07,640
Okay.

3011
04:37:07,920 --> 04:37:13,180
So this permit isn't really dealing with what the well pumps up.

3012
04:37:13,440 --> 04:37:22,320
This permit is dealing with the 425 gallons a minute that the RO treatment rate could do.

3013
04:37:22,320 --> 04:37:33,580
Okay. Thank you. So that's written the way you mean it. And I just didn't understand. That's helpful to understand because the two parts in the 60 day later pumping the brain also has the delay on that.

3014
04:37:34,040 --> 04:37:47,240
So that would the Coastal Commission questions. We saw in a letter from Swartz a question about the perk pond with only 300 gallons per minute coming in and 525 going out.

3015
04:37:47,240 --> 04:37:49,800
Could you help us understand that one, or what?

3016
04:37:50,300 --> 04:37:54,520
I've seen this community members math before, I'm not sure I follow it.

3017
04:37:54,700 --> 04:37:57,160
So I'm not sure I'm able to answer that question.

3018
04:37:57,820 --> 04:38:06,540
The numbers in the facts that I've told you are that 425 re-injection rate with that 100 or 100 plus for mitigation water, those are the simple math right there.

3019
04:38:06,820 --> 04:38:09,320
I'm not sure to the 611 or what he's speaking.

3020
04:38:09,700 --> 04:38:16,480
When we've had some dialogue with the community member and he hasn't been able to establish that, this is kind of a magical algorithm

3021
04:38:16,480 --> 04:38:20,280
of them that we're not, that we've vetted and we can't really comprehend either.

3022
04:38:20,780 --> 04:38:30,620
Okay, okay, thank you. And so, there's, I guess I, I guess my last realm of questions

3023
04:38:30,620 --> 04:38:36,180
really are on the storage pond and so we can understand potential there a little better

3024
04:38:36,180 --> 04:38:43,300
because I really see this potential for beneficial uses. And there are so few, I mean, see

3025
04:38:43,300 --> 04:38:47,640
back to the why can't we just do a reservoir? We have a pond here and we're talking about tearing it

3026
04:38:47,640 --> 04:38:52,520
down and for 30 years I've been listening to people say why can't we build a reservoir? We really

3027
04:38:52,520 --> 04:38:57,440
can't but we have one and we're talking about tearing it out. So that just seems really crazy.

3028
04:39:00,760 --> 04:39:07,160
So if we were to allow some flexibility in that or change the conditioning that wouldn't require

3029
04:39:07,820 --> 04:39:13,080
make some recommendation that wouldn't require tearing out the liner, would you be opposed to that?

3030
04:39:16,880 --> 04:39:23,320
I think it's something we're going to have to deal with at the Coastal Commission level in terms of other mitigation.

3031
04:39:23,680 --> 04:39:28,440
Understood, but we see real trade-offs there in other needs and uses.

3032
04:39:29,700 --> 04:39:36,550
So if we put that condition there and it went to Coastal Commission, that caused an extra layer.

3033
04:39:36,550 --> 04:39:37,690
No, good hand.

3034
04:39:38,090 --> 04:39:38,650
Commissioner-

3035
04:39:38,650 --> 04:39:38,810
Yes.

3036
04:39:39,870 --> 04:39:43,330
Commissioner's, Eric, he's planning a building, so I did get a chance to review.

3037
04:39:43,970 --> 04:39:55,330
So it's not a condition that the pawn liner be removed, as far as it was part of the applicant's proposal, and it was kind of a larger, and the larger context of helping to mitigate environmental impacts.

3038
04:39:55,470 --> 04:40:04,730
But looking at the original subsequent environmental impact report, it, again, the mitigation measures that have been imposed already been imposed,

3039
04:40:04,730 --> 04:40:10,210
were to mitigate these offsets to the impact that have occurred.

3040
04:40:10,830 --> 04:40:14,270
Removing the pawn liner in a nutshell is an added bonus.

3041
04:40:15,090 --> 04:40:20,230
But the original supplemental EIR does acknowledge that there may be a need for

3042
04:40:20,730 --> 04:40:25,190
habitat enhancement offsite somewhere else to kind of make up the difference.

3043
04:40:25,550 --> 04:40:31,290
And so I think removing the pawn liner would really make it a wetland in the

3044
04:40:31,990 --> 04:40:59,110
In essence, put it back to Esha as it was, so I think adding a condition, you know, whatever the commission decides, wouldn't change the decision and the findings that are made here today. I don't think it would require the project to come back because again, we're not amending any conditions or mitigations that were imposed to mitigate an impact. So really, this is, you know, yeah, it wouldn't have an effect on the environmental review. So thank you.

3045
04:40:59,110 --> 04:41:07,090
Okay, so we want to have some potential discretion to make make a recommendation or take out any conditioning to remove that liner

3046
04:41:07,730 --> 04:41:13,010
What I'm hearing I just they make suggestion because I see the fire chiefs here

3047
04:41:13,010 --> 04:41:17,370
And I'd like to maybe get his input on what that would mean to the community to have that water

3048
04:41:18,490 --> 04:41:25,710
Reservoir full because we heard a couple people talk about fire issues and it being kind of a standalone place and

3049
04:41:25,710 --> 04:41:32,450
And there was a picture of a helicopter dip in water out of a ray once, so is this beneficial

3050
04:41:32,450 --> 04:41:37,070
to lead the liner and have the water reserved in the dry season for your fire service?

3051
04:41:37,730 --> 04:41:38,450
Good afternoon.

3052
04:41:38,610 --> 04:41:40,470
I'm Mike Berkey, the fire chief with the Cambria Fire Department.

3053
04:41:41,610 --> 04:41:42,010
Absolutely.

3054
04:41:42,330 --> 04:41:47,670
There is no doubt that that's going to be beneficial to our, and that's why I kind of felt

3055
04:41:47,670 --> 04:41:51,430
silly coming up here and speaking, I'm listening to all the comments that have been made.

3056
04:41:51,430 --> 04:41:57,430
And they've already made all of the points that I would have made, which is, yeah, we're

3057
04:41:57,430 --> 04:42:05,550
in a high fire danger area, and if we're talking about water, I don't want to remind

3058
04:42:05,550 --> 04:42:12,990
the community that just recently of last year, palisades had what they had happened to them,

3059
04:42:13,090 --> 04:42:16,990
which was a massive decrease in pressure in their fire hydrants.

3060
04:42:17,310 --> 04:42:20,250
And the water supply down there was a huge issue.

3061
04:42:20,250 --> 04:42:22,550
That was brought to our attention immediately.

3062
04:42:22,950 --> 04:42:28,050
So moving forward with this, it's a no-brainer on fire protection services, and especially

3063
04:42:28,050 --> 04:42:32,310
for having that liner and having the pond available, absolutely.

3064
04:42:35,010 --> 04:42:38,790
That's the base of it, that's 100% necessary.

3065
04:42:39,750 --> 04:42:44,770
Yeah, that seems like what we're just saying is already there, and then there's going to be

3066
04:42:44,770 --> 04:42:50,150
a fire issue at some point, maybe hopefully a long time down the road, but at least you

3067
04:42:50,150 --> 04:42:53,210
We have some way to try to battle it with some water.

3068
04:42:54,510 --> 04:42:54,910
I agree.

3069
04:42:55,870 --> 04:42:56,130
Thank you.

3070
04:42:56,810 --> 04:42:58,110
So can I jump in real quick?

3071
04:42:58,650 --> 04:43:00,110
Because I want to ask a clarifying question.

3072
04:43:01,690 --> 04:43:06,750
Is there currently a condition in this project to remove the pond liner?

3073
04:43:07,490 --> 04:43:14,930
Or is it a recommendation to potentially gain favor with coastal commission staff to restore some habitat?

3074
04:43:15,630 --> 04:43:18,510
The reason I'm asking is if it's not a condition.

3075
04:43:19,310 --> 04:43:24,010
I don't want to draw attention to it knowing that

3076
04:43:24,010 --> 04:43:29,230
Cambridge has other avenues to provide that offset, right?

3077
04:43:30,150 --> 04:43:33,510
So, I guess the question is, is it currently a condition to remove the liner?

3078
04:43:34,790 --> 04:43:37,370
From a CCSD perspective commissioner?

3079
04:43:37,790 --> 04:43:39,310
It's not a condition for us.

3080
04:43:39,310 --> 04:43:48,050
It's what we put in our project description, because that project description was also being shared with the Coastal Commission to say, what do you think about this?

3081
04:43:48,050 --> 04:43:53,710
What do you think about that because we knew we're going to and so some of those things that they stated where they'd like to see restored

3082
04:43:53,710 --> 04:44:00,910
We said, okay, we'll put it in the projects. So it's a pitch. Not a pitch, right. Well, it's because the new coastal

3083
04:44:01,710 --> 04:44:08,130
Representative was agreeable because you know part of their job to protect coastal make sure it doesn't burn down

3084
04:44:08,130 --> 04:44:13,170
You know say he liked the idea of not having to place burn down because then they really got environmental problems

3085
04:44:13,170 --> 04:44:18,010
all right so he was he was liking the idea of having the water reserve there for fire season.

3086
04:44:18,270 --> 04:44:22,110
You think you can just travel yes he was open to it he thinks the commission would be open to it

3087
04:44:22,110 --> 04:44:26,990
we just have to look at other avenues to appease the coastal commission so from a CCSD perspective

3088
04:44:26,990 --> 04:44:33,470
we would be happy to keep the pond liner in and use it for stormwater storage and staff would work

3089
04:44:33,470 --> 04:44:39,190
long range about potentially off-storage off-stream storage so we have to go through a bunch of

3090
04:44:39,190 --> 04:44:43,270
permitting with that, but that's something we definitely look at if we were able to keep

3091
04:44:43,270 --> 04:44:43,790
it long-range.

3092
04:44:45,390 --> 04:44:50,690
And for some mitigation, I would be obviously not nearly enough about a biologist left

3093
04:44:50,690 --> 04:44:56,070
who's still here, but you know, you could, you know, what about going around and lining

3094
04:44:56,070 --> 04:44:59,950
the ponds to it, look better also, but, you know, put trees...

3095
04:45:00,000 --> 04:45:27,120
I wish his native plants all back around it. For one, it would hide it, kind of shield it. So it's kind of hidden back in there and then it would create some habitat. It's definitely an option. Some sort of a minor mitigation. Definitely, that was along the lines of my thinking. It is visually unattractive and visible from some distances around, not from the highway, the sort of scenic view corridor, but from some other locations.

3096
04:45:27,120 --> 04:45:35,400
So there may be some kind of middle ground there where it could still hold a lot of water but maybe not have the liner all visible all the way up to the top.

3097
04:45:36,520 --> 04:45:54,320
So that's something maybe we can get a staff recommendation on when we get there of kind of how to incorporate that comment in or potentially modify the project description which does include removing this liner and what would be the best way to go there if we choose to go there.

3098
04:45:54,320 --> 04:45:58,000
you'll be glad to know. Those are all of my questions.

3099
04:45:59,220 --> 04:46:02,060
You know, I'm going to bet you a nickel. It's not the end of you.

3100
04:46:04,380 --> 04:46:05,780
We'll see. We'll see.

3101
04:46:06,000 --> 04:46:06,320
What's that?

3102
04:46:06,620 --> 04:46:10,800
So I got a couple more. So yeah, I kind of knocked out my list

3103
04:46:10,800 --> 04:46:11,440
for you guys here.

3104
04:46:14,700 --> 04:46:20,780
So there's some talk about the existing system only serving

3105
04:46:20,780 --> 04:46:22,960
the existing residences there.

3106
04:46:22,960 --> 04:46:29,280
So my question is, is the moratorium began in 98, is that correct?

3107
04:46:29,500 --> 04:46:52,760
2,000, 2,000, so if you were on the list in 2,000 and you owned, I'm sorry, not on the list, if you were a property owner in 2,000 but you hadn't applied to build your house yet, maybe you're dealing with an architect designing your property all that, and then the moratorium starts, you're not getting your house built, so because they didn't get there, they weren't in the process of probably getting under a permit at that point.

3108
04:46:53,340 --> 04:46:56,880
So my question, are they considered part of the community or they boxed out?

3109
04:46:57,440 --> 04:47:00,820
You know, I mean, if there are all these existing infill lots and you own a lot there,

3110
04:47:01,180 --> 04:47:05,280
and you've owned it for 20-something years, like we were saying pay-and-tax as a property tax and things,

3111
04:47:05,800 --> 04:47:11,300
are you not part of that this community or are you on the outside until we let you back in?

3112
04:47:11,820 --> 04:47:14,920
I can feel my program manager breathing on my neck because I know he probably has an answer,

3113
04:47:15,040 --> 04:47:15,740
but I'll give it a shot.

3114
04:47:16,020 --> 04:47:20,080
Commissioner Avvoy, what I believe you're speaking about is grandfathered meters, those that were,

3115
04:47:20,080 --> 04:47:26,720
Or, let's say in the shoot, a premoratorium, we would consider those grandfather and my team will correct me if I'm wrong.

3116
04:47:27,160 --> 04:47:34,640
We've seen some of those grandfathered meters in the past who were given from a district perspective, an intent to serve letter.

3117
04:47:35,200 --> 04:47:37,780
Those were appealed to the Coastal Commission and denied.

3118
04:47:38,340 --> 04:47:49,100
Those were subsequently litigated at the court level and those were overturned and we actually have some of those grandfathered meters that are now implying for minor use permits to build.

3119
04:47:49,100 --> 04:47:54,200
And I believe one of them came before our North Coast Advisory Committee recently.

3120
04:47:54,800 --> 04:48:01,380
So some of those are actually in those grandfathered realms are going to start moving forward after some of that litigation resolved.

3121
04:48:04,570 --> 04:48:09,870
Well, how many lots, how many lots in Cambria are in fill lots?

3122
04:48:09,870 --> 04:48:15,030
Like how many are vacant lots just saying there are some of the owns current, you guys have that number?

3123
04:48:15,130 --> 04:48:16,550
Like is it 100 lots?

3124
04:48:16,790 --> 04:48:17,890
There's 600 people on the list.

3125
04:48:17,890 --> 04:48:21,670
but is there only 300 in-fill lots or is it 600 in-fill lots?

3126
04:48:21,950 --> 04:48:23,730
I think we're close to 600, there we go.

3127
04:48:24,370 --> 04:48:25,410
So I guess that was my question.

3128
04:48:25,530 --> 04:48:27,610
Are they part of the community or are they not part of the community?

3129
04:48:27,750 --> 04:48:30,310
Because they own the lots there seems like they should be part of it.

3130
04:48:30,510 --> 04:48:34,950
Even it's, you know, kind of, I don't, we're kicking them out,

3131
04:48:34,950 --> 04:48:38,610
but just because they weren't there on the day they cut the water off, you know.

3132
04:48:38,910 --> 04:48:41,490
So are they going to be part of the existing system?

3133
04:48:41,670 --> 04:48:44,590
So are we going to, you know, with the county, or the city,

3134
04:48:44,590 --> 04:48:49,950
or the CSD serve them with the water, or are we not going to serve with water because they're not part of the existing?

3135
04:48:51,110 --> 04:48:55,310
I'm going to try to answer that the best, the way I think I understand you're asking.

3136
04:48:55,470 --> 04:49:01,990
We have those that were pre-moratorium, that's not the entire list of the 650 on the list.

3137
04:49:02,410 --> 04:49:05,250
Once the moratorium hit, and then those people started purchasing lots,

3138
04:49:05,810 --> 04:49:09,270
those are the ones that are not a part of this existing user system.

3139
04:49:09,270 --> 04:49:16,630
So we have our existing commitments, our existing users, and those existing commitments are a fraction.

3140
04:49:16,970 --> 04:49:27,390
I think we're talking 40s and 50s in terms of 36, 36 existing commitments that have not been issued intent to serve letters.

3141
04:49:27,770 --> 04:49:29,750
And then there's the existing customer base.

3142
04:49:29,990 --> 04:49:32,510
Then there is the wait list, which is the 600 plus.

3143
04:49:32,510 --> 04:49:38,910
Well, I guess when I'm getting that overall is, if it goes online, you're getting water,

3144
04:49:39,030 --> 04:49:43,210
all the water, you're not going to let a 181 house subdivision come in and get built.

3145
04:49:43,550 --> 04:49:47,450
It's, you folks on the bill finishing out the lots that are in town, those are part of

3146
04:49:47,450 --> 04:49:48,010
the community.

3147
04:49:48,710 --> 04:49:53,130
That's what I guess I'm asking, or is, so when people are talking about growth, there's

3148
04:49:53,130 --> 04:49:56,830
no new growth, but is that going to be considered new growth, or how do we view that?

3149
04:49:57,490 --> 04:50:00,850
The wait list, they're there, they own the lots, they've been there, they just been waiting

3150
04:50:00,850 --> 04:50:02,710
for this, something happened, get water.

3151
04:50:03,650 --> 04:50:08,130
Currently the way the project description is written, when we talk about existing users

3152
04:50:08,130 --> 04:50:13,030
and existing commitments, those that are on the wait list, that community, that pocket

3153
04:50:13,030 --> 04:50:18,230
of community that you're talking about, the 600 plus lots are not a part of this and would

3154
04:50:18,230 --> 04:50:24,990
not be able to build until the district ended its moratorium because it found some way

3155
04:50:24,990 --> 04:50:28,350
to augment or replenish its water, which we have not done.

3156
04:50:28,350 --> 04:50:34,930
We do not have a new source of water and so we cannot currently as a board as a district

3157
04:50:34,930 --> 04:50:40,150
lift the moratorium to say we can sustain that wait list, which is a 600 plus.

3158
04:50:40,650 --> 04:50:45,590
So the theme of it is is they are not a part of this, I hate to say they're not a part of

3159
04:50:45,590 --> 04:50:50,550
our community, but as far as this project goes and as far as the ability to build, they're

3160
04:50:50,550 --> 04:50:52,710
not incorporated into that.

3161
04:50:55,870 --> 04:51:09,510
And then the other question is on the, the actual plant itself, so from what I'm hearing it hasn't, it only ran back in 2015 and then you guys probably exercise it, I'm sure you have a cycle you gotta run through.

3162
04:51:11,270 --> 04:51:16,350
And it was, remind us of the cost of it again, for the total cost of the plant.

3163
04:51:16,350 --> 04:51:20,910
Yeah, it was alone for $4.12 million.

3164
04:51:21,270 --> 04:51:21,430
Right.

3165
04:51:21,550 --> 04:51:22,430
It's been interesting on that.

3166
04:51:22,630 --> 04:51:24,470
There's been obviously maintenance.

3167
04:51:25,050 --> 04:51:26,950
Well, so I guess my question is,

3168
04:51:28,050 --> 04:51:30,270
what's the downstream damage of it?

3169
04:51:30,590 --> 04:51:32,850
So you got $12 million invested plus the loan.

3170
04:51:34,090 --> 04:51:35,050
It's siten idle.

3171
04:51:35,330 --> 04:51:36,610
It's getting exercise here and there.

3172
04:51:36,810 --> 04:51:40,370
So if we end up in a drought in seven years from now,

3173
04:51:40,590 --> 04:51:41,510
and then there is no water.

3174
04:51:41,550 --> 04:51:42,590
You get emergency use.

3175
04:51:42,590 --> 04:51:58,150
How much is it going to be ready to go even though you're exercise or are you going to start running it and you've got these problems because things at night all coastal weather rush you got these different things so how much damage you guys got any idea of what was occurring as it just sits there stagnant.

3176
04:51:58,150 --> 04:52:08,690
I can let my utilities managers speak to it better, but again, we have an operating budget for this of $1.3 million every single year, and so that includes ongoing maintenance,

3177
04:52:09,250 --> 04:52:19,170
the test cycles that we have for it, so we would continue to operate it and maintain it for when it would be activated in that drought condition.

3178
04:52:20,250 --> 04:52:30,110
But yeah, it takes a beating out in that weather and, you know, it needs to run much like a diesel truck, you know, and it needs to operate for a certain period, you know, to stay healthy.

3179
04:52:30,650 --> 04:52:36,130
Now, I don't mean that we're going to turn it on just to turn it on, but, you know, it would operate.

3180
04:52:36,850 --> 04:52:40,750
It will operate when we needed to, but that's because we're doing the ongoing maintenance.

3181
04:52:41,330 --> 04:52:46,210
We won't let it just go to waste out there, but it would be a tragedy to not be able to use it.

3182
04:52:48,510 --> 04:52:53,250
Okay, so we're just having to sit the way it is, it's fine, it's not seen in the list.

3183
04:52:53,270 --> 04:52:54,550
I mean, do you have anything add?

3184
04:52:55,250 --> 04:52:55,390
Okay.

3185
04:52:57,690 --> 04:52:58,050
Okay.

3186
04:52:58,610 --> 04:53:00,310
I just want to do a quick pulse check.

3187
04:53:00,490 --> 04:53:03,810
We've been at this for a little more than two hours.

3188
04:53:06,270 --> 04:53:10,870
I just want to float something on the commission and maybe I said float because it might be time

3189
04:53:10,870 --> 04:53:11,330
for a recess.

3190
04:53:11,330 --> 04:53:25,600
But it sounds as though talking about supporting a reservoir, the pond, for fire protection,

3191
04:53:25,900 --> 04:53:32,400
but encouraging offsets elsewhere is something that it sounds as though it could be supported

3192
04:53:32,400 --> 04:53:32,880
up here.

3193
04:53:33,600 --> 04:53:42,100
Is, are we at an opportunity at a point where we can come up with a motion to at least vote

3194
04:53:42,100 --> 04:53:43,380
We move on, are we close?

3195
04:53:45,200 --> 04:53:49,520
Well, as far as the full project or that item, which are you talking about?

3196
04:53:49,520 --> 04:53:55,020
I'm talking about the full item with potentially adding some language in there about the pond.

3197
04:53:55,520 --> 04:54:00,500
I think we might be relatively close, but maybe we would want a short break first.

3198
04:54:00,800 --> 04:54:04,500
Not so close, we may not want a little break first.

3199
04:54:05,280 --> 04:54:06,700
If that's what you're asking.

3200
04:54:07,240 --> 04:54:10,220
Yeah, I know we have another big item after this.

3201
04:54:10,220 --> 04:54:13,520
So why don't we schedule for a recess at three o'clock?

3202
04:54:13,740 --> 04:54:15,020
Why don't we go right now?

3203
04:54:15,340 --> 04:54:16,300
Can we do 10 minutes?

3204
04:54:16,920 --> 04:54:17,040
Yep.

3205
04:54:17,720 --> 04:54:18,020
Okay.

3206
04:54:19,240 --> 04:54:20,500
So we're back at three?

3207
04:54:21,740 --> 04:54:23,580
Or one, you're gonna have to oh one.

3208
04:54:28,660 --> 04:54:29,240
Back at three.

3209
04:54:39,180 --> 04:54:41,320
Well, I want to thank the clerk for coming over

3210
04:54:41,320 --> 04:54:44,560
and striking the gavel and not hitting me on the hand with it.

3211
04:54:47,010 --> 04:54:47,730
She's rough.

3212
04:54:48,770 --> 04:54:49,370
Thank you folks.

3213
04:54:49,370 --> 04:54:50,870
We're going to reconvene.

3214
04:54:50,950 --> 04:54:53,310
Thank you for your patience, that was a needed break.

3215
04:54:55,710 --> 04:55:02,470
So I believe we're back, and I believe, I'm going to gather the clerks of those.

3216
04:55:03,050 --> 04:55:06,290
I believe we're ready to enter deliberations.

3217
04:55:07,690 --> 04:55:14,330
And before I turn it over to the district representative, I was just hopeful we can have a conversation

3218
04:55:14,330 --> 04:55:29,090
about it sounds like there's something in the project description that I would like to ask staff to read to us about the pond and mitigation because I think it'll help us frame potentially where we want to go.

3219
04:55:30,370 --> 04:55:41,250
So staff, good afternoon again. In the project description there's language about the pond liner being removed. Would you mind sharing that with us?

3220
04:55:41,250 --> 04:55:44,170
Yes, and if we turn on the screen,

3221
04:55:46,510 --> 04:55:53,630
we do have in front of you is the revised condition approval that was submitted on the staff memo.

3222
04:55:54,190 --> 04:56:06,570
So under the approved development, about seven bolts down, it says removal of evaporation pawn lining and five mechanical spray.

3223
04:56:07,450 --> 04:56:08,530
Okay, zoom.

3224
04:56:09,210 --> 04:56:12,780
One, two, three, four.

3225
04:56:13,220 --> 04:56:13,860
Five bullets.

3226
04:56:14,500 --> 04:56:15,560
Two, four, five.

3227
04:56:22,640 --> 04:56:29,280
So, it states removal of an operation pawnlining and five mechanical spray evaporators from the van Gordon Resort.

3228
04:56:29,600 --> 04:56:33,460
That's in the, in a sense, project description approval section.

3229
04:56:33,740 --> 04:56:38,220
It's not listed as a condition of approval down further.

3230
04:56:39,280 --> 04:56:47,480
So, if I could ask the Cambria team to come forward and before I turn it over to

3231
04:56:48,220 --> 04:56:55,460
Ann to represent the district, this bullet, I

3232
04:56:57,980 --> 04:56:59,620
believe it's reasonable to assume that we

3233
04:56:59,620 --> 04:57:05,740
support the fire protection efforts of the community and could we revise that to say, talk

3234
04:57:05,740 --> 04:57:12,560
about removing the sprayers or evaporators and chair me when you get a hide stuff.

3235
04:57:13,520 --> 04:57:18,260
Well, that that's no different than when we have a cell site we're looking at.

3236
04:57:18,320 --> 04:57:23,780
For example, it's 25 feet out of guys front window. That's part of the project and we

3237
04:57:24,980 --> 04:57:31,300
asked them to move it further up. I mean, it wasn't a previous condition. It's just part of the

3238
04:57:31,300 --> 04:57:34,800
a project that we can discuss.

3239
04:57:35,120 --> 04:57:36,860
Okay, so maybe if you could leave that up,

3240
04:57:37,000 --> 04:57:37,700
that would be great.

3241
04:57:38,040 --> 04:57:39,780
Leave this up on the screen for a little bit.

3242
04:57:41,020 --> 04:57:45,220
Mr. McLean, do you have comments on this,

3243
04:57:46,800 --> 04:57:51,420
assuming we were supportive of your fire chief in my past history?

3244
04:57:51,820 --> 04:57:55,760
To provide you as much fire suppression water as possible?

3245
04:57:56,160 --> 04:57:57,080
Absolutely, absolutely.

3246
04:57:57,280 --> 04:58:00,180
I think that we could change that line to the removal

3247
04:58:00,180 --> 04:58:04,760
We'll have the five mechanical spray evaporators from the van Gordon-Rezvoire.

3248
04:58:05,020 --> 04:58:09,300
And we might want to add, if it's not in there and I don't see it, the sounding closures.

3249
04:58:09,720 --> 04:58:11,360
That may be a different line that I'm not seeing.

3250
04:58:12,520 --> 04:58:13,800
I just see him.

3251
04:58:13,900 --> 04:58:14,200
Here with that.

3252
04:58:14,240 --> 04:58:14,660
Full-edge.

3253
04:58:15,060 --> 04:58:17,560
Full-edge adds him full-edge around the perimeter.

3254
04:58:18,220 --> 04:58:18,960
Full-edge?

3255
04:58:19,300 --> 04:58:21,460
Well, I just didn't hear you the last sentence.

3256
04:58:21,860 --> 04:58:22,620
That was my comment.

3257
04:58:22,940 --> 04:58:23,800
Just remove that.

3258
04:58:23,960 --> 04:58:25,180
Just keep the five mechanical.

3259
04:58:25,860 --> 04:58:26,300
Okay.

3260
04:58:26,520 --> 04:58:28,520
Keep evaporators on the list.

3261
04:58:28,520 --> 04:58:33,260
Just remove the five mechanical evaporate spray evaporators and sound enclosures.

3262
04:58:33,800 --> 04:58:34,000
Okay.

3263
04:58:34,640 --> 04:58:41,340
Could I just ask a clarifying question on this, so what's going to happen at Coastal Commission?

3264
04:58:41,620 --> 04:58:44,120
Then they're going to say, we don't like that, then what happens?

3265
04:58:44,120 --> 04:58:47,980
Because I just don't want to hold this up any longer, it's been over a decade.

3266
04:58:49,200 --> 04:58:55,080
Commissioner Shaw, I can put you at ease that it doesn't matter what we do here.

3267
04:58:55,120 --> 04:58:55,360
Perfect.

3268
04:58:59,520 --> 04:59:02,760
Because ultimately they're the gatekeeper when we get.

3269
04:59:02,840 --> 04:59:05,240
It's somewhat true, but when we were out there in our meeting,

3270
04:59:06,100 --> 04:59:07,680
the Coastal Commission representative was there.

3271
04:59:07,900 --> 04:59:15,500
And he was, I want to say in favor of, but he was very much listening to the fire suppression,

3272
04:59:15,660 --> 04:59:19,640
because they like say they don't want the place to turn to much of charcoal.

3273
04:59:20,320 --> 04:59:21,220
Yeah, he opened the door.

3274
04:59:21,220 --> 04:59:31,980
I just, from my experience and staff experience and our district council's experience is we want that door open and I think they open that door a little bit.

3275
04:59:32,480 --> 04:59:50,220
It's really when you get to the commission that where the rubber meets the road so to say and we'll have those discussions and we're hopeful as a district with other acreage that we have to offer up and other mitigation measures that we potentially offer up that we would be able to keep that that pond liner in and use it for storage so we're excited about that change to the project in general.

3276
04:59:50,740 --> 04:59:54,760
and we will have to deal with the Coastal Commission when we get there.

3277
04:59:55,020 --> 04:59:59,960
But the relationship between the CCSD and the Coastal Commission has gotten a lot of

3278
05:00:00,000 --> 05:00:29,560
Not better, I'll say in the last three years, because we started to open up that dialogue. And we understand their concerns, they understand our concerns. And so I'm hopeful we can get there and work something out. Yeah, he just wanted some other mitigation, so they're going to have to, before they go to co-small come up with some other offset of mitigation. Okay, well, thank you. Thank you, and I'd like to turn it back to Commissioner Wyatt, for sure. Okay, well, yeah, since we're here. I'm sorry. I apologize, Mr. Freund, would you mind putting those back up again?

3279
05:00:29,560 --> 05:00:34,140
And the bullet point below the removal of the leachate collections and removal system,

3280
05:00:34,320 --> 05:00:38,960
that is actually below the liner and would have been part of the restoring it back to ashes.

3281
05:00:39,300 --> 05:00:45,680
So we're going to have to strike that line as well because it doesn't make sense to me with the leachate system, which is below the liner.

3282
05:00:46,040 --> 05:00:46,260
Thank you.

3283
05:00:46,840 --> 05:00:47,660
Thank you for that.

3284
05:00:48,140 --> 05:00:48,280
All right.

3285
05:00:48,620 --> 05:00:51,280
Are we comfortable with both of those removals?

3286
05:00:51,700 --> 05:00:52,740
Yeah, but I just have no question.

3287
05:00:52,860 --> 05:00:53,440
What is that?

3288
05:00:55,520 --> 05:00:56,740
I would like to know what that is.

3289
05:00:56,740 --> 05:01:00,440
No, the one we're striking.

3290
05:01:01,600 --> 05:01:06,640
Jim Ring CCSD, it's just plumbing that is able to pump and remove that.

3291
05:01:07,060 --> 05:01:15,920
It was the plumbing that imported it into the pond, and then it's the plumbing that went to the evaporators which sprayed the bribe.

3292
05:01:16,840 --> 05:01:17,220
Thank you.

3293
05:01:21,140 --> 05:01:22,600
Okay, through time to charge.

3294
05:01:22,600 --> 05:01:26,180
Well, okay, but we're striking that from the project list.

3295
05:01:26,340 --> 05:01:31,860
Okay, I see because the sprayers would be going away.

3296
05:01:32,220 --> 05:01:33,260
All right, I've got it.

3297
05:01:33,580 --> 05:01:36,880
Okay, so a couple of items here, first of all,

3298
05:01:37,000 --> 05:01:39,020
I'd like us to get a sense on.

3299
05:01:41,370 --> 05:01:42,750
Oh, it's still printing.

3300
05:01:44,410 --> 05:01:44,930
That

3301
05:01:55,650 --> 05:01:57,470
could be a place to-

3302
05:01:57,470 --> 05:01:58,310
Real time change.

3303
05:01:58,670 --> 05:02:02,630
Install, ask for installation of native plantings,

3304
05:02:02,630 --> 05:02:04,690
or would that be a whole different bullet point?

3305
05:02:14,810 --> 05:02:20,810
I guess that's a question to the applicant, to what degree, having that kind of intent

3306
05:02:20,810 --> 05:02:31,290
for some kind of wildlife mitigations and less visual impact with some kind of plantings

3307
05:02:31,290 --> 05:02:40,070
along the rim, where now that line is very unattractive and doesn't offer any kind of wildlife

3308
05:02:42,450 --> 05:02:53,630
I think there's definitely from a district standpoint, we can work with our consultants, I believe Brandi probably could help us out with that in terms of the right vegetation and things that we could put in there for the visual aesthetics.

3309
05:02:54,170 --> 05:03:04,230
Okay, I'm not sure we need to really get to that now unless commissioners would like, I think you've got our intent there or some idea of how we may like to see that go.

3310
05:03:04,230 --> 05:03:10,530
So screening, native, vegetative screening that you want in there.

3311
05:03:10,970 --> 05:03:14,330
Are you saying you want to see that in there, Chair?

3312
05:03:17,090 --> 05:03:18,050
You're lettering something.

3313
05:03:18,470 --> 05:03:19,270
No, what it means.

3314
05:03:20,570 --> 05:03:21,550
Yeah, welcome to me.

3315
05:03:22,170 --> 05:03:29,150
No, I think I've heard the commission talk about supporting the CSD's efforts for

3316
05:03:29,150 --> 05:03:35,810
fire protection water, but masking the pond liner with either vegetation or

3317
05:03:35,810 --> 05:03:38,690
or something else, correct?

3318
05:03:40,630 --> 05:03:41,430
That's our intent.

3319
05:03:41,650 --> 05:03:45,550
I'm just not sure how much of that has to be in the language here

3320
05:03:45,550 --> 05:03:47,710
because this is exactly what they're doing.

3321
05:03:48,050 --> 05:03:49,590
All right. I'm okay for you.

3322
05:03:49,670 --> 05:03:51,310
Jeff, I want to help us here.

3323
05:03:51,930 --> 05:03:53,590
I'm going to offer a some suggestion.

3324
05:03:54,570 --> 05:03:55,070
A way out.

3325
05:03:56,590 --> 05:03:57,050
Mm-hmm.

3326
05:04:00,830 --> 05:04:03,330
I mean, I'm not saying it has to be on there.

3327
05:04:03,370 --> 05:04:05,970
I'm just suggesting it because if we're going to leave the line

3328
05:04:05,970 --> 05:04:09,850
or it's not going to be native, at least we made it look a little, you know, it's not

3329
05:04:09,850 --> 05:04:10,350
going to do it.

3330
05:04:10,510 --> 05:04:13,710
It's going to add a little bit of habitat back, that's all, but if you don't read it, I'm

3331
05:04:13,710 --> 05:04:15,650
just trying to be sensitive to the hour.

3332
05:04:17,170 --> 05:04:19,930
I've heard mentioned a few times.

3333
05:04:20,930 --> 05:04:24,750
I just, I, I already have a condition we're going to check that out and confirm.

3334
05:04:25,550 --> 05:04:25,790
Okay.

3335
05:04:25,950 --> 05:04:30,610
So that's something, maybe, maybe staff can check on or kind of put on the list to think

3336
05:04:30,610 --> 05:04:33,010
about when we can come back to how that may read.

3337
05:04:33,010 --> 05:04:38,550
If we want to add something in there and applicant's amenable to that kind of some kind of language of

3338
05:04:39,150 --> 05:04:40,290
vegetative screening

3339
05:04:41,190 --> 05:04:47,870
Added to the top toward the top of the pond. Absolutely commensurate. Okay, and so

3340
05:04:47,870 --> 05:04:54,850
The other item that I'm hearing different thoughts on and want to clarify where we want to go is on

3341
05:04:54,850 --> 05:04:58,870
Kind of the wording and the intent of existing commitment

3342
05:04:58,870 --> 05:05:05,290
Again, we've talked about that kind of existing base of roughly 4,000 hookups, the kind of

3343
05:05:05,290 --> 05:05:10,930
existing commitment of 40-ish beyond what's already being served in the wait list of some

3344
05:05:13,430 --> 05:05:14,790
665 parcels.

3345
05:05:15,450 --> 05:05:21,490
And so if I had my way, that existing commitment would include the wait list.

3346
05:05:21,490 --> 05:05:43,390
Those parcels that have been waiting for now, what we've established is something of 35 years or more and have some legal case, I think, for being restless and paying property taxes and moratoriums are generally put in place to be emergency mechanisms, not long-term hard stops.

3347
05:05:43,390 --> 05:05:57,270
Yeah, since 2001 here at 25 years of moratorium, I think we're past our kind of temporary requirement and really creating some challenges.

3348
05:05:57,810 --> 05:06:09,690
That said, as we've heard described, the wording here does exclude the wait list from the existing commitment definition.

3349
05:06:10,570 --> 05:06:29,830
And so, I don't know where other commissioners feel on this, but is it somewhere you want to go to look at that definition of a potential to include provision for this waitlist or maybe to the applicant first, whether that somewhere you would want to go or not?

3350
05:06:29,830 --> 05:06:32,410
No, I don't, I don't think that's appropriate.

3351
05:06:32,730 --> 05:06:39,770
I think we really need to just stick with the issues at hand because that needs to be

3352
05:06:39,770 --> 05:06:43,110
a whole separate hearing with like the entire town.

3353
05:06:43,410 --> 05:06:45,290
And I don't know what the entire town come in here.

3354
05:06:45,830 --> 05:06:51,750
So I think that we really need to just drill down and vote.

3355
05:06:52,570 --> 05:06:57,650
Okay, I'm comfortable on that and wanted to see so I'm seeing other nods.

3356
05:06:57,650 --> 05:07:11,310
So just to clarify, as we have this project before us, existing commitment does not consider the way list as a part of it, and we're not looking at kind of allowing any development there.

3357
05:07:12,050 --> 05:07:36,950
Yeah, okay. I'm getting a rough nod for that. Okay. And then I think I think I think we've expressed this clearly enough, but that option for some kind of enhanced and alternative mitigations and it sounds like the district is thinking of those both for the upon liner in exchange for that and other mitigations that the commission maybe wanting to see.

3358
05:07:36,950 --> 05:07:42,690
So an approval now allows some flexibility for enhanced mitigations.

3359
05:07:43,370 --> 05:07:47,490
Our approval wouldn't diminish that opportunity, correct?

3360
05:07:52,200 --> 05:07:53,920
I'm sorry, can you repeat that one more time?

3361
05:07:53,940 --> 05:08:00,800
Just the question, there has been lots of public comment and written correspondence on the

3362
05:08:00,800 --> 05:08:08,460
adequacy of the kind of environmental mitigations and we have some here in front of us are

3363
05:08:08,460 --> 05:08:15,180
incorporated in this environmental work but there could be others that the Coastal Commission

3364
05:08:15,180 --> 05:08:20,860
could want to see or other opportunities for environmental mitigations. I mean by not

3365
05:08:20,860 --> 05:08:26,940
discussing those are getting further into that today, we're not precluding options in the future,

3366
05:08:27,260 --> 05:08:33,580
are we? Eric, he's planning a building. No, the Coastal Commission ultimately has their own

3367
05:08:33,580 --> 05:08:38,820
process and their decision would be subject to their own environmental review and they

3368
05:08:38,820 --> 05:08:43,000
could impose conditions as well, but it would not in theory impact our own.

3369
05:08:44,540 --> 05:08:49,780
Okay, thank you. That's helpful because I really do recognize the many suggestions we've

3370
05:08:49,780 --> 05:08:56,180
received for various types of mitigation from kind of pumping some of this water upstream,

3371
05:08:56,180 --> 05:09:02,640
even on Santa Rosa Creek and kind of replenishing the supplies there and

3372
05:09:02,640 --> 05:09:07,720
the potential upstream additions and a lot of things that maybe we haven't

3373
05:09:07,720 --> 05:09:15,560
considered or may come up with looking at San Simeon districts operations in

3374
05:09:15,560 --> 05:09:20,140
some kind of synergy there that hasn't been previously considered. So I think

3375
05:09:20,140 --> 05:09:24,800
there are a lot of potential good options there that can be taken up in the

3376
05:09:24,800 --> 05:09:31,560
future. So the other thing I want to look at carefully here is the trigger for use and staff

3377
05:09:31,560 --> 05:09:37,160
presented us that language last night and there have been some questions on that of how that reads

3378
05:09:37,160 --> 05:09:43,900
and if that's what we mean and what that means and so we could just pull that language up and

3379
05:09:43,900 --> 05:09:45,640
I'll look at it that it'd be hopeful.

3380
05:09:53,520 --> 05:09:59,060
In the revised conditions that you've referred to and just

3381
05:09:59,060 --> 05:10:01,400
Just in particular, that kind of triggered language.

3382
05:10:02,660 --> 05:10:03,820
Okay, so that's 46.

3383
05:10:04,240 --> 05:10:07,580
Correct. Prevised 42 now, 46.

3384
05:10:07,820 --> 05:10:14,940
Okay, so May 2, October, May, June, July, August, September, October.

3385
05:10:15,420 --> 05:10:19,020
I mean, I'm just reading six months there, and I thought our permit was for seven.

3386
05:10:19,880 --> 05:10:23,440
So do we have an inconsistency there, or am I missing something?

3387
05:10:27,940 --> 05:10:31,860
May, June, July, August, September, October, that's six months in this.

3388
05:10:31,860 --> 05:10:37,060
Yes, and we're permitting for seven months, I think we've got a month missing, do we?

3389
05:10:41,380 --> 05:10:42,500
It would be.

3390
05:10:49,480 --> 05:10:53,660
Well, that's why I just wanted to go over these a little more carefully, and I couldn't do it last night.

3391
05:10:57,440 --> 05:11:01,840
Yeah, I think we need to add another month in there if we're going for seven allowed on the permit.

3392
05:11:02,780 --> 05:11:07,900
We need to pick April or November, and I would say that would be November.

3393
05:11:08,880 --> 05:11:11,060
But you would might want to add.

3394
05:11:11,700 --> 05:11:12,440
Thank you, Commissioner.

3395
05:11:12,800 --> 05:11:14,540
November would be more beneficial to the district.

3396
05:11:14,720 --> 05:11:15,040
I believe so.

3397
05:11:15,040 --> 05:11:16,480
Typically when we get to our drier seasons.

3398
05:11:16,740 --> 05:11:16,940
Uh-huh.

3399
05:11:17,120 --> 05:11:19,060
So we might look at making that November.

3400
05:11:19,520 --> 05:11:20,780
Subject to implementation.

3401
05:11:25,390 --> 05:11:26,110
Yes, sir.

3402
05:11:26,810 --> 05:11:27,090
Okay.

3403
05:11:27,250 --> 05:11:27,910
So let's look at.

3404
05:11:29,830 --> 05:11:30,050
Okay.

3405
05:11:30,150 --> 05:11:30,850
You're getting that in.

3406
05:11:40,660 --> 05:11:40,980
Okay.

3407
05:11:41,240 --> 05:11:46,000
So I'm looking at now a definition of a quote prolonged dry season.

3408
05:11:46,380 --> 05:11:50,480
Shall mean any period occurring between May and November,

3409
05:11:50,480 --> 05:11:53,200
during which either of the following conditions exist.

3410
05:11:53,900 --> 05:11:58,160
Blow average precipitation has occurred or is projected.

3411
05:12:04,460 --> 05:12:06,240
Or a stage three, that's something.

3412
05:12:06,460 --> 05:12:11,700
Help us on the emergency condition language

3413
05:12:11,700 --> 05:12:14,760
because we've got here a quote prolonged dry season

3414
05:12:14,760 --> 05:12:18,260
and a definition and we've got a stage three condition

3415
05:12:18,260 --> 05:12:20,620
and I know the condition definitions

3416
05:12:20,620 --> 05:12:23,780
of recently changed or I thought I understood that.

3417
05:12:23,780 --> 05:12:28,820
So, what help us understand our trigger there in terms of stage three condition?

3418
05:12:30,200 --> 05:12:35,900
Absolutely, so every year, the district, it was required by the Department of Water Resources.

3419
05:12:35,900 --> 05:12:37,120
We'd probably do it either way.

3420
05:12:37,180 --> 05:12:43,520
It wasn't required on April 1st, we look at all the metrics, how much rain has fallen,

3421
05:12:44,020 --> 05:12:47,640
when did it fall, how hard did it fall in terms of, or the season.

3422
05:12:48,300 --> 05:12:51,520
We look at the groundwater levels in our well fields, we look at the groundwater levels

3423
05:12:51,520 --> 05:12:58,240
in the monitoring wells throughout both aquifers and when we make a determination as to how

3424
05:12:58,240 --> 05:13:02,900
we, what kind of hydrologic industry we have, what kind of water supply we have for the

3425
05:13:02,900 --> 05:13:04,740
next whole year.

3426
05:13:06,080 --> 05:13:13,220
And so that's typically when we would recommend moving up a stage, until then I'll talk about

3427
05:13:13,220 --> 05:13:13,420
that.

3428
05:13:13,480 --> 05:13:18,460
So there's six stages of water shortage, one is our baseline.

3429
05:13:18,460 --> 05:13:28,080
line, six would be our exceptional or extreme emergency, and then three is kind of where

3430
05:13:28,080 --> 05:13:32,560
we really have to start paying attention to conservation and paying attention to our

3431
05:13:32,560 --> 05:13:33,000
aqua letters.

3432
05:13:33,620 --> 05:13:34,300
Okay.

3433
05:13:34,560 --> 05:13:36,020
Ask a question while he's there.

3434
05:13:37,140 --> 05:13:46,540
What if this is working in practice, and then it's fine with the environment and you work

3435
05:13:46,540 --> 05:13:52,240
out a way to get rid of the brine and you want to run this more because what I worry about

3436
05:13:52,240 --> 05:13:57,700
is seawater intrusion. I mean, yes, aquifer can be up and down, but what if you find out?

3437
05:13:58,120 --> 05:14:02,760
I mean, this is a pretty exact science, but you're getting some seawater intrusion and you want

3438
05:14:02,760 --> 05:14:06,860
to run it more. What's the process? Do you come back to us? Do you what happens?

3439
05:14:09,340 --> 05:14:14,240
We would, I think we would work with our with our ground water consultant to figure out how we can

3440
05:14:14,240 --> 05:14:17,140
and best use this resource to help mitigate

3441
05:14:17,140 --> 05:14:19,480
that discovery, see what or choose and should that happen.

3442
05:14:19,800 --> 05:14:23,120
And if you read down Commissioner Shaw to the bottom of this,

3443
05:14:23,200 --> 05:14:25,100
that's why it's important to go over in addition.

3444
05:14:25,280 --> 05:14:27,260
This may operate at any time of the year

3445
05:14:27,260 --> 05:14:30,260
during any formally declared stage five,

3446
05:14:30,400 --> 05:14:32,760
emergency or stage six, exceptional.

3447
05:14:33,380 --> 05:14:35,800
Yeah, I saw that, but it's just, I mean,

3448
05:14:36,040 --> 05:14:38,440
this is a huge asset at a huge cost.

3449
05:14:38,800 --> 05:14:43,200
I mean, if you can run it and you're determining

3450
05:14:43,200 --> 05:14:49,420
it's not hurting the environment, it should run, you know, once you start seeing it in practice. So

3451
05:14:50,720 --> 05:14:57,260
well, I mean, that's why this, this kind of trigger is important and this, this because these

3452
05:14:57,260 --> 05:14:59,960
these conditions have just come in, not every...

3453
05:15:02,040 --> 05:15:28,860
I agree at some level, yes. But this is expensive water. What's the process? If you wanted to run it more, would you come back to us? Or what would happen? Well, I think, Commissioner Shaw, it's conditioned now to where we wouldn't have to come back to you. So when we talk about that time frame that you're giving us, that's a broad swath in order to operate it.

3454
05:15:28,860 --> 05:15:30,920
And under very extreme conditions,

3455
05:15:30,920 --> 05:15:32,920
would we have to operate outside of that window?

3456
05:15:33,480 --> 05:15:35,280
And so to your question about seawater intrusion,

3457
05:15:35,440 --> 05:15:38,320
we shift to the Santa Rosa's when we can't effectively pump

3458
05:15:38,320 --> 05:15:41,280
from the sunscreens because of that salt water gradient

3459
05:15:41,620 --> 05:15:44,340
where the mounting effect is getting a little too close.

3460
05:15:44,620 --> 05:15:46,480
And so we'll stop pumping from the same same ends

3461
05:15:46,480 --> 05:15:48,000
and we shift over the Santa Rosa's,

3462
05:15:48,380 --> 05:15:49,840
which the Coastal Commission does not like.

3463
05:15:50,140 --> 05:15:53,160
But it's one of those rare exceptions within that permit.

3464
05:15:53,820 --> 05:15:56,920
So by allowing us to operate this early in the season,

3465
05:15:56,920 --> 05:15:58,240
then we protect that grid.

3466
05:15:58,300 --> 05:16:02,280
And so we would start the operating of it through the analysis,

3467
05:16:02,580 --> 05:16:05,380
through that stage three phase, where we've identified, hey,

3468
05:16:05,480 --> 05:16:08,300
we need to start operating it at a conservative level.

3469
05:16:08,540 --> 05:16:12,180
The district doesn't want to operate it full throttle five days a week if we don't need to.

3470
05:16:12,280 --> 05:16:17,820
And I think utilities manager, Mr. Green could say, we're only looking for about 50 acre feet,

3471
05:16:18,560 --> 05:16:22,080
50 to 100 annually just to give us that buffer.

3472
05:16:22,600 --> 05:16:26,820
It's not trying to produce the max acre foot per year if we don't need it.

3473
05:16:26,820 --> 05:16:27,980
because again, if the creek is flowing,

3474
05:16:27,980 --> 05:16:29,700
then there's no reason to inject.

3475
05:16:30,300 --> 05:16:31,860
And typically our creeks are flowing

3476
05:16:31,860 --> 05:16:33,160
for a healthy period of the year.

3477
05:16:33,320 --> 05:16:35,100
It's that narrow window when it's not.

3478
05:16:35,560 --> 05:16:37,700
And then we start worrying about draw down

3479
05:16:37,700 --> 05:16:38,800
and see what aren't true,

3480
05:16:38,800 --> 05:16:41,100
and which this is a mechanism to address that.

3481
05:16:41,320 --> 05:16:42,440
Okay, sounds good.

3482
05:16:42,780 --> 05:16:47,220
And this is where we do just get into that conceivable

3483
05:16:47,220 --> 05:16:48,880
potential to fuel growth.

3484
05:16:49,080 --> 05:16:53,100
If there is this in place that there could be some argument

3485
05:16:53,100 --> 05:16:54,760
that it ought to be run more

3486
05:16:54,760 --> 05:16:57,260
and serve the wait list and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

3487
05:16:57,540 --> 05:17:00,060
I mean, so that's the messiness of it that we're not.

3488
05:17:00,240 --> 05:17:01,780
Well, that's the allowing for it hearing.

3489
05:17:02,060 --> 05:17:04,480
I mean, I would discourage cities from,

3490
05:17:05,880 --> 05:17:07,880
let's not protect our groundwater

3491
05:17:07,880 --> 05:17:10,540
because we're afraid of building.

3492
05:17:10,980 --> 05:17:15,040
I mean, that's, I don't think that's a good practice.

3493
05:17:15,480 --> 05:17:19,400
I think if you can, I'm saying 10 years down the line,

3494
05:17:19,400 --> 05:17:22,080
if it becomes very efficient to run this,

3495
05:17:22,800 --> 05:17:25,540
who knows what the technology will bring.

3496
05:17:26,320 --> 05:17:29,020
And again, it's a separate hearing about growth.

3497
05:17:29,280 --> 05:17:29,940
That's a separate.

3498
05:17:30,440 --> 05:17:31,020
Agreed.

3499
05:17:31,200 --> 05:17:31,560
Agreed.

3500
05:17:31,580 --> 05:17:33,500
That's just the sort of fear out there

3501
05:17:33,500 --> 05:17:36,660
and the realistic potential that's driving it.

3502
05:17:37,100 --> 05:17:39,400
So as we look at the conditions,

3503
05:17:39,440 --> 05:17:40,440
the triggers here,

3504
05:17:40,960 --> 05:17:42,200
below average precipitation

3505
05:17:42,200 --> 05:17:45,160
on a Stage 3 condition

3506
05:17:46,200 --> 05:17:47,840
would allow this to be used.

3507
05:17:47,960 --> 05:17:49,080
So that's pretty liberal.

3508
05:17:49,080 --> 05:17:56,620
that's at below average precipitation, that's not a strong drought or a severe anything.

3509
05:17:57,440 --> 05:18:01,820
So I'm comfortable with that, looking more closely or other commissioners comfortable

3510
05:18:01,820 --> 05:18:08,660
with that, then making sure that seven month use allowances in there, and then that would

3511
05:18:08,660 --> 05:18:14,920
allow it to be used all the time in the severe stage five or stage six conditions.

3512
05:18:14,920 --> 05:18:20,360
So members of the public are kind of clear on that and have an opportunity to see our thought process there.

3513
05:18:20,900 --> 05:18:31,000
So if we're okay with that, then I just have a couple more questions before getting into some final comments.

3514
05:18:31,680 --> 05:18:37,840
I've had some more discussion here with Mr. Warren at the break about baseline studies for

3515
05:18:37,840 --> 05:18:42,840
Sam Gordon, excuse me, Van Gordon Creek, and how robust they are.

3516
05:18:43,560 --> 05:18:48,420
We talked about baseline studies and data being there for San Simeon Creek.

3517
05:18:49,400 --> 05:18:54,880
But is it your belief, then, that you have adequate kind of baseline to protect the

3518
05:18:54,880 --> 05:19:00,120
Repairian and the water supply, then, in the very different Van Gordon Creek corridor?

3519
05:19:00,440 --> 05:19:01,360
Thank you, Commissioner White.

3520
05:19:01,860 --> 05:19:02,140
We do.

3521
05:19:02,140 --> 05:19:05,780
So, initially, we completed the first iteration of the

3522
05:19:05,780 --> 05:19:08,120
in-stream flow study for Santa Rosa, excuse me,

3523
05:19:08,380 --> 05:19:10,860
San Simeon Creek, and some of the feedback from the

3524
05:19:10,860 --> 05:19:12,280
attack committee and the coastal commission was,

3525
05:19:12,520 --> 05:19:13,160
well, what about Vanguard?

3526
05:19:13,740 --> 05:19:16,560
So, we spent another $80,000 to include Van Gordon

3527
05:19:16,560 --> 05:19:19,160
into the in-stream flow study, which was given to county staff

3528
05:19:19,160 --> 05:19:22,520
that analyzes both Van Gordon Creek and the San Simeon Creek,

3529
05:19:22,620 --> 05:19:24,760
and there's found to be quite healthy.

3530
05:19:25,340 --> 05:19:29,080
Okay, so you're comfortable with that baseline data

3531
05:19:29,080 --> 05:19:33,840
than that you can verify compared to that.

3532
05:19:34,200 --> 05:19:35,520
Okay, that's helpful for me.

3533
05:19:35,640 --> 05:19:37,640
Those were the issues on my list.

3534
05:19:37,940 --> 05:19:41,440
And with that, I'm very happy to move toward a motion here

3535
05:19:41,440 --> 05:19:42,820
to approve this project.

3536
05:19:43,440 --> 05:19:46,340
The community of Cambria has been struggling with water

3537
05:19:46,340 --> 05:19:49,820
alternatives as we have well heard for a very long time.

3538
05:19:51,080 --> 05:19:54,580
There is a severe water threat with a limited kind of

3539
05:19:54,580 --> 05:20:01,400
options there. And so this has been in the works for a long time, which we all know.

3540
05:20:02,200 --> 05:20:07,680
There will be a significant process ahead. As we've heard, we can expect this will be

3541
05:20:07,680 --> 05:20:12,260
appealed to the supervisors and go to coastal, so there will be plenty more opportunities

3542
05:20:13,720 --> 05:20:21,200
to add mitigations and deal with issues as it continues through the process. I do see the

3543
05:20:21,200 --> 05:20:26,900
need to find kind of reasonable cost sharing between the multiple users knowing this will

3544
05:20:26,900 --> 05:20:33,420
be very expensive, wherever the exact numbers come in, and how the kind of existing residents

3545
05:20:33,420 --> 05:20:39,360
have to pay, along with commercial, that maybe in a different category, I need to step up.

3546
05:20:39,500 --> 05:20:45,800
Those of us with commercial meters pay a little more. And how that goes, I don't think that will

3547
05:20:45,800 --> 05:20:50,480
be a really easy process, but it sounds like the district is already undertaking that with a new

3548
05:20:50,480 --> 05:20:58,700
rate study in mind that may reflect some of these realities. As I mentioned, I am concerned

3549
05:20:58,700 --> 05:21:06,080
about the wait list of some 665 users that this doesn't solve problems for that have

3550
05:21:06,080 --> 05:21:15,470
been waiting a very long time. And I'd like to see and look forward to seeing some kind

3551
05:21:15,470 --> 05:21:19,570
of work with the SAMSIMian District to solve some of their issues.

3552
05:21:19,870 --> 05:21:26,290
That potential for possible brine disposal through their outfall could be a very feasible

3553
05:21:26,290 --> 05:21:32,430
one, but potentially lower cost also, hoping with some synergy to solve their wastewater

3554
05:21:32,430 --> 05:21:37,670
treatment issues that are coming up looming really soon, that maybe the Cambria plant can

3555
05:21:37,670 --> 05:21:47,610
And serve some of those needs and the bike path over some pipes would be fabulous from my perspective.

3556
05:21:48,410 --> 05:21:55,150
So with that, if staff will please put up those recommended decision.

3557
05:21:57,400 --> 05:22:03,180
And then we had some changes, then some revised findings.

3558
05:22:04,020 --> 05:22:07,640
So did we read those into the record adequately?

3559
05:22:08,260 --> 05:22:13,060
Do you have your staff recommendation up for me that I didn't write down with the changes?

3560
05:22:14,220 --> 05:22:19,220
Do you want us to read the change conditions into the record, or do you feel like you've

3561
05:22:19,220 --> 05:22:23,160
done that adequately, 26, 31, 41, 2, 4?

3562
05:22:23,760 --> 05:22:24,640
I think we have one.

3563
05:22:24,820 --> 05:22:30,200
You haven't seen it, it was not in the record, and that is if you'd like to add the language

3564
05:22:30,200 --> 05:22:33,320
to the landscaping conditions, so we do have that on the screen now.

3565
05:22:33,420 --> 05:22:33,640
Okay.

3566
05:22:33,940 --> 05:22:34,100
Great.

3567
05:22:34,100 --> 05:22:36,480
I believe everything else has been viewed.

3568
05:22:37,160 --> 05:22:38,560
What was that, Commissioner Apple?

3569
05:22:38,900 --> 05:22:41,120
I think we decided not to do that at this time.

3570
05:22:41,400 --> 05:22:41,880
We're gonna let it.

3571
05:22:42,460 --> 05:22:43,760
Let's see what staff has.

3572
05:22:44,020 --> 05:22:45,040
They've got something in here.

3573
05:22:45,340 --> 05:22:48,020
So I think we are all amenable to that as was the applicant.

3574
05:22:52,330 --> 05:22:52,850
Hey.

3575
05:22:55,900 --> 05:22:56,300
Good.

3576
05:22:57,240 --> 05:22:57,760
Yeah.

3577
05:22:59,730 --> 05:23:00,650
Support the plan.

3578
05:23:01,870 --> 05:23:02,870
I'll second that.

3579
05:23:03,730 --> 05:23:04,390
Two seconds.

3580
05:23:04,470 --> 05:23:06,930
Okay, so everybody's comfortable with that language.

3581
05:23:07,550 --> 05:23:07,790
Okay.

3582
05:23:08,690 --> 05:23:08,870
Okay.

3583
05:23:08,870 --> 05:23:13,450
And if you want to put up your staff recommendation approval,

3584
05:23:13,770 --> 05:23:15,010
I'll somebody's got it up.

3585
05:23:15,530 --> 05:23:22,350
Okay, so with that, I'm pleased to move that we find this project consistent with the 2025

3586
05:23:22,350 --> 05:23:29,850
Addendum to the 2017 SCIR for the Cambria Water Reclamation Facility,

3587
05:23:29,850 --> 05:23:53,030
SCH number 201-406-1073, pursuant to sections 151-62 and 151-64 of CEQA, and we approve DPCDP-DRC-2013-00112, based on the findings listed in Exhibit A and the revised conditions of approval listed in Exhibit B.

3588
05:23:55,750 --> 05:23:59,380
We have a motion in a second, clerk.

3589
05:24:00,380 --> 05:24:01,200
Commissioner Wyatt?

3590
05:24:01,600 --> 05:24:01,700
Yes.

3591
05:24:02,260 --> 05:24:02,780
Commissioner Abla?

3592
05:24:03,060 --> 05:24:03,200
Yes.

3593
05:24:03,440 --> 05:24:04,120
Commissioner Villacana?

3594
05:24:04,360 --> 05:24:04,460
Yes.

3595
05:24:04,820 --> 05:24:05,360
Commissioner Shaw?

3596
05:24:06,040 --> 05:24:07,880
Yes, I just had one comment.

3597
05:24:08,060 --> 05:24:13,920
I want to thank everyone for their work and for coming out and I just really appreciated all

3598
05:24:13,920 --> 05:24:19,680
the emails from the community too and I think the community as a whole does see what an asset

3599
05:24:19,680 --> 05:24:20,460
this is.

3600
05:24:20,460 --> 05:24:27,420
I started looking at these systems in 2017 when we were in South County looking at the central

3601
05:24:27,420 --> 05:24:34,720
coast blue project and that could have been a huge protection of from seawater intrusion and

3602
05:24:34,720 --> 05:24:41,460
it managed to die in the court of public opinion and prices going up. So the fact that you have this,

3603
05:24:41,460 --> 05:24:46,920
Yes, it's a huge asset and I really am happy for your community.

3604
05:24:47,440 --> 05:24:50,800
So I vote yes, and Chair Lieberman.

3605
05:24:53,640 --> 05:24:55,140
Yes, motion carries.

3606
05:24:55,500 --> 05:24:59,100
Thank you so much everyone for your engagement, your patience.

3607
05:25:02,860 --> 05:25:08,040
And we will give you a moment to move on before we go to our next hearing item.

3608
05:25:08,040 --> 05:25:08,640
If

3609
05:25:18,650 --> 05:25:22,170
you hold on, Jair, figure out where I saved that too, sorry.

3610
05:25:22,310 --> 05:25:22,690
Here, Mike's.

3611
05:25:35,300 --> 05:25:38,140
Daniela, I'm not going to be here for that second meeting, but we're

3612
05:25:43,360 --> 05:25:43,780
going to mark it in

3613
05:25:43,780 --> 05:25:44,060
the mirror.

3614
05:25:46,320 --> 05:25:47,140
Long time coming.

3615
05:25:47,440 --> 05:25:47,540
Speed.

3616
05:25:48,060 --> 05:25:48,240
You know?

3617
05:25:48,560 --> 05:25:49,000
Yes, probably.

3618
05:25:49,240 --> 05:25:49,600
No, they're not.

3619
05:25:50,100 --> 05:25:50,220
Yeah.

3620
05:25:52,320 --> 05:25:52,720
Yeah.

3621
05:25:53,900 --> 05:25:54,080
Bye.

3622
05:25:55,200 --> 05:25:56,160
Oh, I'm looking.

3623
05:25:58,140 --> 05:26:00,120
So they're already doing this without approval.

3624
05:26:04,080 --> 05:26:04,480
Yeah.

3625
05:26:04,760 --> 05:26:04,900
Yeah.

3626
05:26:13,740 --> 05:26:17,180
I know we are going to need some chocolate to get us through today.

3627
05:26:17,340 --> 05:26:18,800
Anybody need chocolate to keep going?

3628
05:26:24,810 --> 05:26:25,930
Thank you.

3629
05:26:26,130 --> 05:26:26,310
Yeah.

3630
05:26:26,630 --> 05:26:27,190
Yeah.

3631
05:26:27,530 --> 05:26:27,710
Definitely.

3632
05:26:28,130 --> 05:26:29,170
All right.

3633
05:26:29,290 --> 05:26:30,410
I think he

3634
05:26:35,780 --> 05:26:36,800
has five, two.

3635
05:26:37,240 --> 05:26:38,940
Thank you.

3636
05:28:32,520 --> 05:28:34,000
We are reconvening

3637
05:28:34,000 --> 05:28:40,260
For our last hearing item, clerk, would you mind introducing the item?

3638
05:28:40,720 --> 05:28:58,240
Yes, our final hearing item is a hearing to consider a request by Richard Nolan for a conditional use permit to allow for up to 25 temporary outdoor events per year with amplified sound with the maximum of 150 guests per event for a period of 20 years and to waive the secondary access requirement.

3639
05:28:59,460 --> 05:29:09,360
Excuse me, this is county file number N-DRZ-2024-0042 and this is located in Supervisorial District 3.

3640
05:29:10,260 --> 05:29:11,500
Thank you very much.

3641
05:29:14,560 --> 05:29:17,580
Why don't we disclose any export take communications, we'll start down here.

3642
05:29:21,460 --> 05:29:25,140
I talked to the applicants representative on the project, Kirkton's holding.

3643
05:29:27,420 --> 05:29:28,200
Okay, nothing.

3644
05:29:30,380 --> 05:29:32,960
Excuse me, yeah, a few conversations.

3645
05:29:33,760 --> 05:29:38,800
I had a site tour with Anne and Jamie from Kirk on 223.

3646
05:29:39,660 --> 05:29:47,260
We discussed this sort of history of our events ordinance from the early 2000s and some other things that will come up in the hearing.

3647
05:29:47,260 --> 05:29:48,440
I'll be sure to bring up.

3648
05:29:48,840 --> 05:29:53,600
I mentioned this item at one of our friends of the Bob Jones trail meetings.

3649
05:29:53,880 --> 05:29:57,500
No discussion took place on the item that I attended.

3650
05:29:57,500 --> 05:29:59,880
and I did discuss this one.

3651
05:30:00,000 --> 05:30:25,920
By phone with Baron Canyon on neighbors, Pat Hood, Diane Gregory, Bill Chadwick, and John Sexton. Very good. Again, you had none. Okay. I met with Ian McCarville, the applicants representative on February 20th, and I met with Bill Chadwick on the 23rd from the Baron Canyon Ranch Homeowners Association. So, thank you for that.

3652
05:30:28,030 --> 05:30:30,650
Would you introduce our staff presentation team, please?

3653
05:30:30,650 --> 05:30:34,090
Yes, good afternoon, Eric Hughes, planning and building, presenting this item.

3654
05:30:34,190 --> 05:30:35,450
We have Senior Planner, Eric Tolly.

3655
05:30:36,090 --> 05:30:40,210
In support, we have Super Rising Planner, Cheryl Kuh, myself Eric Hughes, Deputy Director

3656
05:30:40,210 --> 05:30:40,910
Mark LaRue.

3657
05:30:41,450 --> 05:30:43,130
We also have staff from our building.

3658
05:30:43,130 --> 05:30:45,230
We have building and good enforcement staff here as well.

3659
05:30:45,910 --> 05:30:48,070
And then, Public Works and County Council, thank you.

3660
05:30:52,010 --> 05:30:53,270
Good afternoon, commissioners.

3661
05:30:53,390 --> 05:30:56,430
Hello again, Eric Tolly, Senior Planner, Planning and Building.

3662
05:30:57,330 --> 05:31:03,570
Before you is the case or the project for Daniel and Lindsay Nolan, it's for a conditional

3663
05:31:03,570 --> 05:31:11,800
use permit NDRC 2024-0042. Project is a conditional use permit for temporary

3664
05:31:11,800 --> 05:31:17,880
events, which consists of 25 outdoor events per year with on-site parking, with

3665
05:31:17,880 --> 05:31:23,800
amplified sound, maximum of 150 guests per event. For a period of 20 years, the

3666
05:31:23,800 --> 05:31:26,840
applicant is requesting to waive the secondary access requirement.

3667
05:31:29,540 --> 05:31:30,040
This is where

3668
05:31:30,040 --> 05:31:37,980
relocated, relocated just east of Highway 101 in the Avala, Avala area near

3669
05:31:37,980 --> 05:31:44,880
Squire Canyon. We are located within the agricultural land use category

3670
05:31:44,880 --> 05:31:48,140
surrounded by residential rural and residential suburban.

3671
05:31:51,720 --> 05:31:52,220
This is the

3672
05:31:52,220 --> 05:31:54,880
aerial picture of the property.

3673
05:31:59,080 --> 05:32:01,520
This is the site plan of the current operations

3674
05:32:01,520 --> 05:32:09,260
out there. We've got two parking areas, area one and area two. The purple area shows the outdoor event area.

3675
05:32:10,280 --> 05:32:15,460
And the brown linear line is the primary ingress and egress.

3676
05:32:20,050 --> 05:32:24,930
This is a elevation of the event, the main event venue, excuse me.

3677
05:32:26,050 --> 05:32:32,810
This is where it's completely operating outdoors, and this is where the events are held.

3678
05:32:32,810 --> 05:32:33,750
So,

3679
05:32:36,060 --> 05:32:50,400
the project is a staff's recommending denial based on general planning consistency specifically with the agricultural element of the county general plan and specifically with the agricultural element that's ag policy six.

3680
05:32:50,400 --> 05:33:07,140
Ag policy six states allow it allows limited visitor serving an incidental retail use in facilities and agricultural areas that are beneficial to the agricultural industry such uses shall be clearly incidental and secondary to the primary agricultural use of the site.

3681
05:33:07,960 --> 05:33:12,780
A primary agricultural use could not be verified by the county department of agriculture.

3682
05:33:12,780 --> 05:33:22,960
And speaking of the County Department of Agriculture, we do have a representative here that I think Mr. Eric Hughes left out accidentally for any questions you may have.

3683
05:33:26,200 --> 05:33:42,720
Along those same lines, agricultural element, the resolution 2009-329, which states the review authority in consultation with the County Department of Agriculture, shall continue to make a determination of what constitutes primary agricultural use and allowable.

3684
05:33:42,720 --> 05:33:46,420
secondary and incidental uses on a case-by-case basis.

3685
05:33:47,700 --> 05:33:55,900
Staff's stance on that is the resolution 2009-329 does not address agriculture designated

3686
05:33:55,900 --> 05:33:59,440
parcels without an existing agricultural use.

3687
05:34:00,840 --> 05:34:07,880
Next up is Ag Policy 31 that's embedded within the agricultural element, Ag Policy 31 states.

3688
05:34:07,880 --> 05:34:20,780
It encourages recreational uses on privately owned lands, on a case-by-case basis where such uses are compatible with an on- and off-site agriculture and with scenic and environmentally resource sensitive resources.

3689
05:34:21,920 --> 05:34:35,380
Staff considers temporary events to be public assembly in nature, not recreationally, not recreational, excuse me, and act policy six is the gatekeeper policy for visitor serving uses on ag properties.

3690
05:34:35,380 --> 05:34:40,580
These primary on-site agricultural operation is required in other words.

3691
05:34:42,950 --> 05:34:46,480
Staff's received an abundant amount of correspondence.

3692
05:34:47,960 --> 05:34:54,760
Those opposed include the Avala Valley Advisory Council or AVAC.

3693
05:34:55,260 --> 05:35:04,020
I also received 31 individual emails from community members citing summarized concerns including

3694
05:35:04,020 --> 05:35:11,360
wild fire risk, water and sewage capacity, insufficient parking, amplified sound, traffic

3695
05:35:11,360 --> 05:35:15,980
and emergency ingress and egress, and the disregard for previous code violations.

3696
05:35:16,940 --> 05:35:22,680
In support, I have 11 individuals and charity organizations summarized in their letters,

3697
05:35:23,100 --> 05:35:30,300
is the economic benefit to the county, the preservation of rural surroundings, charitable

3698
05:35:30,300 --> 05:35:37,120
nature of the operators, the safety practices of the operators, and the professional management of the operators as well.

3699
05:35:38,340 --> 05:35:46,820
Additionally, the applicant submitted a memo in response to the staff report in the staff recommendation of denial last night or yesterday.

3700
05:35:47,940 --> 05:35:59,860
Discussing the application of Ag Policy 6 and the October 6, 2009 Board of Supervisors discussion of criteria to evaluate temporary events on agricultural

3701
05:36:00,760 --> 05:36:29,840
On that date, the Board of Supervisors adopted resolution number 2009-329, which states that determination of what constitutes a primary agricultural use and what qualifies as an allowable secondary and incidental use should be made on a case-by-case basis in consultation with the agriculture department in response staff would like to confirm that planning has worked with the Ag Department to evaluate this proposal with respect to

3702
05:36:29,840 --> 05:36:31,800
to the circumstances of this case.

3703
05:36:32,400 --> 05:36:38,440
The reference resolution did not prohibit consideration of the agricultural liaison advisory

3704
05:36:38,440 --> 05:36:44,260
board or a lab criteria, but reaffirm that decisions should be made on a case-by-case

3705
05:36:44,260 --> 05:36:44,780
basis.

3706
05:36:45,580 --> 05:36:51,160
The subject property differs from other projects mentioned by the board members on that date,

3707
05:36:51,420 --> 05:36:56,800
on that Board of Supervisors date, including the property's location, agricultural history,

3708
05:36:56,800 --> 05:37:00,220
and proposal for temporary events as a primary use.

3709
05:37:03,750 --> 05:37:07,770
So, staff's recommendation is to deny the request

3710
05:37:07,770 --> 05:37:10,550
for a conditional use permit and DRCE 2024,

3711
05:37:11,150 --> 05:37:16,150
0,00042, based on the findings in the exhibit A,

3712
05:37:17,170 --> 05:37:19,470
and again, primarily because of the inconsistency

3713
05:37:19,470 --> 05:37:20,910
with the county's general plan.

3714
05:37:21,610 --> 05:37:24,630
Staff, as Eric Hughes had pointed out,

3715
05:37:24,770 --> 05:37:27,530
is here for any questions or comments you may have.

3716
05:37:29,170 --> 05:37:32,490
Thank you very much. Any initial questions to staff?

3717
05:37:36,130 --> 05:37:36,570
I do.

3718
05:37:39,550 --> 05:37:45,010
So just to dumb it down for me, to boil down to the bottom line based on 2009 and

3719
05:37:45,010 --> 05:37:53,230
11 and ag policy 6. The consensus opinion from the board was we were to evaluate these projects

3720
05:37:53,230 --> 05:38:01,490
on a case-by-case basis, correct? That is correct. Yeah. And yeah, I think more

3721
05:38:01,490 --> 05:38:06,450
More context could be given by Mr. E and Landruth with the agricultural department.

3722
05:38:06,910 --> 05:38:11,010
But yes, okay, I'm going to hold you in queue.

3723
05:38:11,850 --> 05:38:12,530
Thank you.

3724
05:38:13,050 --> 05:38:15,070
There's no more questions of staff at this time.

3725
05:38:15,070 --> 05:38:16,910
I'm going to invite Jamie Jones.

3726
05:38:17,230 --> 05:38:17,970
I think I have one, sorry.

3727
05:38:18,250 --> 05:38:18,630
Go ahead.

3728
05:38:19,070 --> 05:38:27,030
So, the Zoned Ag Land and the counties found that it's not being used for ag land or ag purposes?

3729
05:38:27,030 --> 05:38:35,170
That's correct, it is zoned agriculture, and it is currently not, does not have a verifiable

3730
05:38:35,170 --> 05:38:42,390
ag, primary ag operation on it, in order to allow visitor serving uses, which is stated

3731
05:38:42,390 --> 05:38:44,930
in ag policy six, such as temporary events.

3732
05:38:47,840 --> 05:38:48,580
I'm going to come back to that.

3733
05:38:49,020 --> 05:38:49,820
Very good.

3734
05:38:50,340 --> 05:38:55,640
Okay, so we're going to allow the applicants representative to make a presentation.

3735
05:38:55,840 --> 05:38:56,180
Good afternoon.

3736
05:38:56,180 --> 05:39:00,240
Good afternoon, Chair Lieberman, members of the Commission.

3737
05:39:00,380 --> 05:39:01,260
My name is Jamie Jones.

3738
05:39:01,820 --> 05:39:04,180
Kirk and Solzine here representing the Nolan family.

3739
05:39:05,080 --> 05:39:08,740
And I'm going to be spending a lot of my time revisiting some history and

3740
05:39:08,740 --> 05:39:13,880
talking about policy and the policy specific to Ag policy six.

3741
05:39:14,720 --> 05:39:18,300
So as we talked about, this is an application for a conditional use permit for

3742
05:39:18,300 --> 05:39:25,580
up to 25 events a year, no more than 150 attendees on a 22 acre property that's

3743
05:39:25,580 --> 05:39:28,540
currently developed with two primary dwellings,

3744
05:39:28,880 --> 05:39:32,140
farms for quarters, and some other uses on the site.

3745
05:39:32,780 --> 05:39:37,640
Here's an overall site plan that does show the event area,

3746
05:39:37,820 --> 05:39:43,660
kind of in that light purplish book end by the two primary dwellings.

3747
05:39:43,880 --> 05:39:45,900
There is existing agriculture on the site.

3748
05:39:46,300 --> 05:39:48,600
There's two acres of irrigated horse pasture.

3749
05:39:49,400 --> 05:39:50,520
This is a tricky site.

3750
05:39:50,720 --> 05:39:52,160
There's quite a bit of slope.

3751
05:39:52,380 --> 05:39:53,900
It's a 36% slope.

3752
05:39:53,900 --> 05:40:00,720
There's dense native oak trees on the site and the sites comprise mostly of non-prime soils.

3753
05:40:01,460 --> 05:40:09,260
So there is, and to the point of agricultural use, the area that is available to be utilized for AG is utilized for AG with irrigated pasture.

3754
05:40:10,660 --> 05:40:16,020
So the core issue here today is really about AG policy 6.

3755
05:40:16,020 --> 05:40:22,220
And the staff denial, I know they're looking at this in a case-by-case basis, but really

3756
05:40:22,220 --> 05:40:27,080
the staff denial is predicated on the ALAB criteria, and whether or not there's a primary

3757
05:40:27,080 --> 05:40:28,520
agricultural use on the site.

3758
05:40:29,020 --> 05:40:35,500
And the determination was no agricultural use, no temporary events, that's just not allowed.

3759
05:40:36,580 --> 05:40:42,720
And we've seen the Department of Agriculture rely on this ALAB criteria for the last eight

3760
05:40:42,720 --> 05:40:43,620
years pretty heavily.

3761
05:40:44,660 --> 05:40:50,540
And we've always said, you know, the board policy back in 2009 wasn't to utilize this

3762
05:40:50,540 --> 05:40:51,360
ALAB criteria.

3763
05:40:51,840 --> 05:40:54,940
It was really to look at these as a case-by-case basis.

3764
05:40:55,660 --> 05:41:01,480
And so whenever the board in 2009 heard this interpretation and adopted the policy document,

3765
05:41:01,740 --> 05:41:03,920
they rejected the ALAB criteria.

3766
05:41:04,140 --> 05:41:05,080
I'll get into that in a minute.

3767
05:41:05,380 --> 05:41:09,060
But that was a recommendation from Planning Commission to utilize the ALAB criteria.

3768
05:41:09,060 --> 05:41:12,120
They said, no, let's look at this on a case-by-case basis.

3769
05:41:12,120 --> 05:41:14,100
And that was the direction from the board.

3770
05:41:14,720 --> 05:41:19,500
So I think the question here before you today is whether or not this project is being evaluated

3771
05:41:19,500 --> 05:41:23,020
correctly under the correct standard.

3772
05:41:23,300 --> 05:41:24,220
We don't think it is.

3773
05:41:25,800 --> 05:41:29,940
So a little history on the 2009 Request for Interpretation.

3774
05:41:30,300 --> 05:41:33,220
This was done by the Ag Tourism Coalition.

3775
05:41:34,000 --> 05:41:37,100
It sounds like they might support events, right, but they really didn't.

3776
05:41:37,540 --> 05:41:39,240
This was a group out in the Adelaide.

3777
05:41:39,240 --> 05:41:52,840
And they had it, they did request for interpretation to ask about specifics on the land use ordinance, Title 22, but then also have some questions about what is Ag Policy 6?

3778
05:41:53,260 --> 05:42:01,420
How do we look at primary agricultural use requirements? And what can you really do for secondary and incidental uses? How should it be applied?

3779
05:42:02,060 --> 05:42:06,440
And we had some different recommendations that came forward as part of that.

3780
05:42:06,440 --> 05:42:12,520
The Planning Department, they said, let's do business as usual in granted back in 2009.

3781
05:42:13,240 --> 05:42:16,240
Let's look at these projects in a case-by-case basis.

3782
05:42:16,760 --> 05:42:19,080
There wasn't a formula utilized at that time.

3783
05:42:19,260 --> 05:42:20,880
Every project was treated different.

3784
05:42:21,100 --> 05:42:22,180
Some properties had AG.

3785
05:42:22,760 --> 05:42:23,900
Some properties didn't.

3786
05:42:24,060 --> 05:42:27,380
They didn't say, oh, you can only do this much visitor service use.

3787
05:42:27,460 --> 05:42:32,240
They really just looked at sites based on the site character, neighborhood character, and

3788
05:42:32,240 --> 05:42:32,700
the scale.

3789
05:42:33,520 --> 05:42:34,780
So, this went to the Planning Commission.

3790
05:42:34,780 --> 05:42:39,080
Planning Commission does what planning commissions do, and they made a different recommendation.

3791
05:42:39,960 --> 05:42:43,620
And the recommendation that the Planning Commission made in their draft resolution to

3792
05:42:43,620 --> 05:42:48,040
the board was that that shall use the ALAB criteria.

3793
05:42:48,900 --> 05:42:54,240
And they also said there's a percentage-based formula allowed for the visitor serving use.

3794
05:42:54,660 --> 05:43:01,680
5% of the total agricultural use on the site could be devoted to the visitor use.

3795
05:43:01,680 --> 05:43:05,660
And then they also shifted the kind of the who should be in charge.

3796
05:43:06,240 --> 05:43:11,060
They said that the Ag Department should be making a determination on Ag Policy 6 and

3797
05:43:11,060 --> 05:43:14,860
utilizing the ALAB criteria and it shouldn't be the planning department.

3798
05:43:15,340 --> 05:43:20,180
The business as usual from the planning department review was that planning department would be

3799
05:43:20,180 --> 05:43:25,380
the decision making or recommendation authority planning an Ag didn't always agree.

3800
05:43:25,380 --> 05:43:32,500
So Ag might have an opinion on what they thought should be on the site in the planning department,

3801
05:43:32,520 --> 05:43:37,120
would be looking at more global, what do our other general plan policies say,

3802
05:43:37,900 --> 05:43:39,900
and could sometimes make a different determination.

3803
05:43:40,520 --> 05:43:41,700
And that was just how things were done.

3804
05:43:43,060 --> 05:43:47,240
So then we get to the Board of Supervisors and the Board and their discussions.

3805
05:43:47,320 --> 05:43:49,940
They said, you know what, we don't want to rely on a formula.

3806
05:43:49,940 --> 05:43:55,260
They knew the ALAB criteria was, it was actually created for a different purpose.

3807
05:43:55,840 --> 05:44:01,580
The ALAB criteria was created whenever, during this time, sorry, all the background.

3808
05:44:01,720 --> 05:44:06,160
But the county was actually looking at adopting a real special event ordinance.

3809
05:44:06,820 --> 05:44:12,780
So how can we do special events, not temporary events, that special events in our county.

3810
05:44:13,240 --> 05:44:19,020
And that ALAB criteria was developed in anticipation of being performance standards for

3811
05:44:19,020 --> 05:44:20,400
or the special event ordinance.

3812
05:44:20,820 --> 05:44:22,780
That special event ordinance was never adopted.

3813
05:44:23,300 --> 05:44:27,080
So, that ALAB criteria board said that was for something else.

3814
05:44:27,280 --> 05:44:30,460
We want to keep looking at projects on a case-by-case basis

3815
05:44:30,460 --> 05:44:32,340
in regards to ag policy six.

3816
05:44:32,740 --> 05:44:36,500
And we do want to allow for in certain instances temporary events

3817
05:44:36,500 --> 05:44:37,640
where there is no ag.

3818
05:44:38,520 --> 05:44:41,000
And as part of their resolution,

3819
05:44:41,000 --> 05:44:43,560
they also reinstated the planning department

3820
05:44:43,560 --> 05:44:44,660
as the review authority.

3821
05:44:45,020 --> 05:44:46,800
So they said, no, we need to look at this

3822
05:44:46,800 --> 05:44:49,080
in more of the bigger picture in the planning department

3823
05:44:49,080 --> 05:44:50,940
should be the one making the decision.

3824
05:44:51,560 --> 05:44:52,840
And they adopted this resolution.

3825
05:44:53,640 --> 05:44:56,340
And as I stated, the deliberations specifically addressed

3826
05:44:56,340 --> 05:44:59,460
agricultural parcels that do not have existing act,

3827
05:44:59,520 --> 05:44:59,940
I know that...

3828
05:45:00,000 --> 05:45:04,100
The Planning Department and their staff report said the resolution didn't, but part of the

3829
05:45:04,760 --> 05:45:10,840
deliberation that got to the case-by-case recommendation included specifically allowance

3830
05:45:10,840 --> 05:45:14,980
for parcels that don't have ag to also have temporary events.

3831
05:45:15,820 --> 05:45:21,780
And so I'll turn to about some of the things that have come up with about whether AgZone

3832
05:45:21,780 --> 05:45:27,840
Land doesn't have ag to be excluded from temporary events. I think that there are valid reasons

3833
05:45:27,840 --> 05:45:34,040
why certain agglents are not an act of production, and I think if an overly narrow interpretation

3834
05:45:34,040 --> 05:45:37,600
that creates restrictions, I'm not sure it's going to serve the larger purpose.

3835
05:45:39,740 --> 05:45:46,360
Now we're going to find ways to accommodate, as opposed to regulate, over-regulate, and

3836
05:45:46,360 --> 05:45:49,080
so flexibility needs to be a part of that.

3837
05:45:52,410 --> 05:45:58,190
I want to talk about the partial that has no agricultural use, no production agricultural

3838
05:45:58,190 --> 05:45:59,390
use at this point.

3839
05:45:59,390 --> 05:46:04,110
Well those are special cases and I think you take each one of those and see whether it

3840
05:46:04,110 --> 05:46:06,550
makes sense to apply egg policy six.

3841
05:46:06,590 --> 05:46:10,090
You look at, just take for instance the agricultural barn.

3842
05:46:10,210 --> 05:46:13,790
I don't want to get too deeply down into that because we're not reviewing that project.

3843
05:46:14,290 --> 05:46:19,350
But that's on the urban fringe, on an arterial, a busy street, in a visible location.

3844
05:46:19,590 --> 05:46:26,770
That's a very different situation from a parcel with no egg, this 15 mile alley

3845
05:46:30,160 --> 05:46:30,580
maintained

3846
05:46:30,580 --> 05:46:31,340
road for half.

3847
05:46:33,040 --> 05:46:36,560
And then lastly, this is can we grip and kind of pulling it all together as

3848
05:46:36,560 --> 05:46:43,340
number three? Number three of the on page C223 speaks to continuing to have the

3849
05:46:43,340 --> 05:46:48,280
the applicable review authority make a determination of what constitutes primary

3850
05:46:48,280 --> 05:46:53,320
agriculture used and allowable second and incidental use is on a case by case

3851
05:46:53,320 --> 05:46:59,480
basis in conjunction with the Ag Department. That is Ag Policy 6. It doesn't say

3852
05:47:00,660 --> 05:47:08,060
correct policy 6 but those are the words of Act Policy 6 and that is the current practice.

3853
05:47:08,400 --> 05:47:13,900
It isn't practice that planning staff does not believe Act Policy 6 is applicable.

3854
05:47:14,600 --> 05:47:19,900
Our concern was the heart and staff's rules that where there is no agriculture on site

3855
05:47:19,900 --> 05:47:27,080
there can be no temporary event when you have the unique circumstances like the octagon barn

3856
05:47:27,080 --> 05:47:30,620
or other circumstances, I can't think about the top of my head

3857
05:47:30,620 --> 05:47:32,900
that you would want the flexibility to address.

3858
05:47:35,300 --> 05:47:37,580
So thank you for listening to those SNPs.

3859
05:47:37,740 --> 05:47:41,380
I think it's important, you know, is we, you know, years have passed,

3860
05:47:41,700 --> 05:47:43,380
but we always go back and revisit the hearings

3861
05:47:43,380 --> 05:47:44,620
and say, what do we talk about?

3862
05:47:45,580 --> 05:47:48,780
And not everything can be scripted into the resolution.

3863
05:47:49,120 --> 05:47:51,820
So going back and reviewing what the board was talking about at the time

3864
05:47:51,820 --> 05:47:54,940
is important, so thank you for letting me share that with you today.

3865
05:47:55,400 --> 05:48:01,100
So, you know, to tear off of that in 2012, there was a CUP that was approved for temporary

3866
05:48:01,100 --> 05:48:02,500
events for the octagon barn.

3867
05:48:02,960 --> 05:48:07,760
It's a Foreaker parcels-owned ag, and there was no ag use at the time, no ag use today.

3868
05:48:08,280 --> 05:48:12,260
And, you know, that was three years following whenever this ordinance was adopted.

3869
05:48:12,580 --> 05:48:17,020
That a little bit more intense use than what we're proposing, you know, four times events

3870
05:48:17,020 --> 05:48:19,360
on a quarter of the size of the parcel.

3871
05:48:19,360 --> 05:48:26,240
But it does, you know, it's directly, it's a little bit north of this property.

3872
05:48:27,580 --> 05:48:33,360
So if we look at kind of the reset, and this is a big thing for us, because this isn't

3873
05:48:33,360 --> 05:48:33,800
just happening.

3874
05:48:33,980 --> 05:48:36,200
It's just not this narrow view on this project.

3875
05:48:36,700 --> 05:48:39,140
This is happening for a lot of projects that we work on.

3876
05:48:39,560 --> 05:48:43,600
And we feel that the, whether it's changeover in staff or people not going back and looking

3877
05:48:43,600 --> 05:48:48,620
at the hearing as we, we feel like the implementation of Ag Policy 6 is kind of marked over the

3878
05:48:48,620 --> 05:48:58,500
It's especially as we've had turnover, you know, having new staff members come in and maybe people not understanding the legislative history of the policies that we're working within.

3879
05:48:59,160 --> 05:49:04,940
So looking at the no one property, and again, we're just talking about the the ag policy six today.

3880
05:49:05,100 --> 05:49:07,420
We know we don't have the project in front of you for review.

3881
05:49:07,800 --> 05:49:13,940
It's about general plan consistency and can we find this project consistent with ag policy six?

3882
05:49:13,940 --> 05:49:18,320
And so, as part of that, you know, the no one property, it's an undersized ag parcel.

3883
05:49:18,600 --> 05:49:25,460
You know, we're going to the case by case review. It's unique. It's got unique existing structures. We talked about this.

3884
05:49:25,600 --> 05:49:32,000
There's proliferation of agricultural event barns in our county. I think we counted. There's three castles.

3885
05:49:32,600 --> 05:49:39,260
This property, we've got Hearst Castle. And then we also have the newly branded Anderson out on Highway 46.

3886
05:49:40,400 --> 05:49:48,780
We're using existing grounds, so we're not looking at converting ag, it's using existing facilities that are there, everything's outside.

3887
05:49:49,460 --> 05:49:54,040
We are in close proximity to Highway 101 with access from a county maintained road.

3888
05:49:54,800 --> 05:50:01,060
The Ag Department in the referral process has limited capacity for production ag.

3889
05:50:01,440 --> 05:50:06,340
Probably doesn't meet the purpose and character statement for ag, so we know we're not impacting ag.

3890
05:50:06,340 --> 05:50:09,840
and the area that is suitable for farming on the property,

3891
05:50:10,080 --> 05:50:11,340
the small use two acres,

3892
05:50:11,340 --> 05:50:13,400
but that is utilized for irrigated ag.

3893
05:50:13,580 --> 05:50:16,560
So we're doing as much ag on the property that we can.

3894
05:50:17,880 --> 05:50:20,300
And then I think it just looks, it's into scale.

3895
05:50:21,140 --> 05:50:23,240
You know, we're looking at these temporary events

3896
05:50:23,240 --> 05:50:23,860
are intermittent.

3897
05:50:24,440 --> 05:50:26,540
It's not a permanent public assembly use.

3898
05:50:26,640 --> 05:50:27,680
I do disagree with staff

3899
05:50:27,680 --> 05:50:29,660
that temporary events aren't public assembly.

3900
05:50:30,320 --> 05:50:33,080
Public assembly is 365 days a year

3901
05:50:33,080 --> 05:50:37,460
in a permanent facility that was built to accommodate that use.

3902
05:50:38,020 --> 05:50:44,520
We're looking at temporary events, 6% of the year, 25 times the year, with only 150 people.

3903
05:50:45,080 --> 05:50:50,560
We think in this instance, we can look at Ag Policy 6 on a case-by-case basis and

3904
05:50:50,560 --> 05:50:53,200
find the project consistent with the general plan.

3905
05:50:54,080 --> 05:51:00,360
And if your commission can make that determination, at least on the general plan consistency basis,

3906
05:51:00,360 --> 05:51:04,560
then we would ask that you send it back to the department.

3907
05:51:04,980 --> 05:51:08,280
They can continue reviewing our application because they've stopped.

3908
05:51:08,740 --> 05:51:10,720
They haven't finished reviewing our application.

3909
05:51:10,900 --> 05:51:14,020
We've submitted a lot of information, but we're not done yet.

3910
05:51:14,480 --> 05:51:17,560
And we think through that process, we can address a lot of the items

3911
05:51:17,560 --> 05:51:19,620
you're probably going to hear during public comment.

3912
05:51:20,160 --> 05:51:25,760
Concerns about noise, evacuation, fire access, duration,

3913
05:51:26,660 --> 05:51:29,820
condition compliance, those sorts of things are the things

3914
05:51:29,820 --> 05:51:31,280
is that we have been addressing in the background

3915
05:51:31,280 --> 05:51:33,800
on our application, but we don't have the opportunity

3916
05:51:33,800 --> 05:51:34,980
to share them with you today

3917
05:51:34,980 --> 05:51:37,040
because today we're just talking about policy.

3918
05:51:37,900 --> 05:51:39,000
So that concludes my comments.

3919
05:51:39,920 --> 05:51:41,860
And I'm available for questions.

3920
05:51:41,880 --> 05:51:45,860
I will have to, the property owner had to excuse himself

3921
05:51:45,860 --> 05:51:46,980
for a family emergency.

3922
05:51:47,780 --> 05:51:49,460
So you're stuck with Ian and Ida.

3923
05:51:49,980 --> 05:51:51,240
Hopefully, field your questions.

3924
05:51:51,780 --> 05:51:52,080
Thank you.

3925
05:51:53,620 --> 05:51:54,640
Thank you very much.

3926
05:51:54,900 --> 05:51:57,080
Any initial questions for the representative?

3927
05:51:57,080 --> 05:52:04,940
I have one just on the last kind of what you said and I want to make sure staff agrees

3928
05:52:04,940 --> 05:52:07,300
with that representation.

3929
05:52:07,900 --> 05:52:18,660
So what you're saying is today you only want us to decide if this could possibly go

3930
05:52:18,660 --> 05:52:27,060
through either with if we decide this irrigated pasture is an agricultural use and or if

3931
05:52:27,060 --> 05:52:33,260
we say actually looking back at the footage and agricultural uses not necessary, you just

3932
05:52:33,260 --> 05:52:37,740
want us to decide today if this could keep being assessed.

3933
05:52:38,420 --> 05:52:43,960
We are not deciding on a case-by-case basis if this is not a case that should have a permit.

3934
05:52:44,520 --> 05:52:47,220
Is that what the page everyone's on right now?

3935
05:52:48,000 --> 05:52:50,980
Or say that's the page I'm on.

3936
05:52:51,380 --> 05:52:56,860
And we have a recommendation of denial because basically we can't open the door to continue

3937
05:52:56,860 --> 05:53:01,700
the application because the department has determined that we're inconsistent with the general plan.

3938
05:53:02,220 --> 05:53:05,440
So we had been working our way through the application process through many

3939
05:53:05,440 --> 05:53:11,880
couple different information hold in providing information. We even talked about this Ag

3940
05:53:11,880 --> 05:53:18,700
Policy 6 discussion in our submittal and march ish and then we got a call, I think this October,

3941
05:53:19,320 --> 05:53:26,360
September October, saying, we're just going to take you for denial because of the Ag Policy 6 issue

3942
05:53:26,360 --> 05:53:30,740
because, and forgive me, we read 472 pages,

3943
05:53:31,160 --> 05:53:33,520
and this was the last 72, right?

3944
05:53:33,720 --> 05:53:36,520
So, but as I was reading it, to me,

3945
05:53:36,920 --> 05:53:39,240
it was more of a recommendation of denial

3946
05:53:39,240 --> 05:53:42,220
because of all the events that had already been leading up

3947
05:53:42,220 --> 05:53:44,140
and the sheriff writing a long thing

3948
05:53:44,140 --> 05:53:47,180
about the father or the bride saying to turn up the music

3949
05:53:47,180 --> 05:53:49,760
and there's no one available on the weekend.

3950
05:53:50,060 --> 05:53:54,220
And so it was my impression we were assessing based on that.

3951
05:53:54,220 --> 05:53:59,480
So I just want to know from someone, anyone, what am I deciding today?

3952
05:53:59,660 --> 05:54:00,520
Yes, the lawyers.

3953
05:54:00,720 --> 05:54:01,920
Yeah, and Dorothy County Council.

3954
05:54:02,500 --> 05:54:07,360
So the code enforcement and everything that happened before is really not relevant

3955
05:54:07,360 --> 05:54:08,780
to the discussion today.

3956
05:54:09,060 --> 05:54:09,300
Okay.

3957
05:54:09,540 --> 05:54:13,780
Today, so if you look at the findings, the only finding that we're looking at for denial

3958
05:54:13,780 --> 05:54:15,320
is based on Ag Policy 6.

3959
05:54:15,520 --> 05:54:15,780
Okay.

3960
05:54:16,000 --> 05:54:20,380
So your view, the scope of your review is really limited to deciding on the

3961
05:54:20,380 --> 05:54:23,020
the applicability of AgPolicy 6.

3962
05:54:23,500 --> 05:54:25,680
If you agree with staff that it is applicable,

3963
05:54:26,460 --> 05:54:28,100
then that supports the Nile.

3964
05:54:28,320 --> 05:54:29,720
If you disagree, then that supports,

3965
05:54:30,680 --> 05:54:32,500
not recommending that this move forward

3966
05:54:32,500 --> 05:54:33,980
through the normal process,

3967
05:54:33,980 --> 05:54:35,820
in which case it would come back to your commission,

3968
05:54:36,380 --> 05:54:38,820
like with conditions and everything that you would see

3969
05:54:38,820 --> 05:54:40,640
with the project has gone through that process.

3970
05:54:40,880 --> 05:54:42,340
All right, that is super helpful.

3971
05:54:42,660 --> 05:54:43,120
Thank you.

3972
05:54:44,140 --> 05:54:48,580
So just to clarify, that is the big one.

3973
05:54:49,760 --> 05:54:52,060
That's how I understood it, too, right?

3974
05:54:55,080 --> 05:54:57,960
Okay. Thank you. I know you're going to be here.

3975
05:54:58,660 --> 05:55:02,420
I'd like to call our representative from the Ag Department forward.

3976
05:55:02,960 --> 05:55:05,200
You can take the shortcut right there.

3977
05:55:09,260 --> 05:55:09,540
How's it going?

3978
05:55:11,830 --> 05:55:12,850
Super stoked to be here.

3979
05:55:13,950 --> 05:55:15,330
That talks surf to me.

3980
05:55:17,110 --> 05:55:21,390
I'm sorry. Please, please share your name and your title at the Ag Department.

3981
05:55:22,430 --> 05:55:24,670
Ian Landruth with the Ag Commissioners Office.

3982
05:55:25,030 --> 05:55:25,950
Very good, thanks Ian.

3983
05:55:27,630 --> 05:55:29,190
Staff at a presentation, we just said,

3984
05:55:29,270 --> 05:55:31,230
the applicant presentation, can you comment

3985
05:55:31,230 --> 05:55:34,170
on AgPolicy's six and how you use it

3986
05:55:34,170 --> 05:55:35,730
to help guide you to these decisions?

3987
05:55:36,230 --> 05:55:40,290
Absolutely, so it'll be, I guess,

3988
05:55:40,410 --> 05:55:42,210
in preface with the applicant's team,

3989
05:55:42,570 --> 05:55:44,470
I would agree with the presentation.

3990
05:55:44,910 --> 05:55:46,210
There's just some slight nuances

3991
05:55:46,210 --> 05:55:48,150
to kind of get us to where we are today.

3992
05:55:48,150 --> 05:56:00,610
So there is the ALAM criteria that the Ag Department developed in conjunction with ALAM as part of the events and the appeal hearing that was discussed.

3993
05:56:02,430 --> 05:56:05,850
Not necessarily because the special events ordinance never happened.

3994
05:56:06,270 --> 05:56:14,890
Our department viewed that as a very consistent way of applying that policy from our point of view and internalize that into its policies.

3995
05:56:14,890 --> 05:56:20,170
one, and we are dealing with visitor-serving uses at sites that are owned agriculture.

3996
05:56:22,150 --> 05:56:29,690
So with AgPolacy 6, as part of that board resolution, as you just saw today, which I watched

3997
05:56:29,690 --> 05:56:34,710
this well prior to come into this meeting, it was determined that there is going to be

3998
05:56:34,710 --> 05:56:42,330
unique scenarios where you're not able to have Ag on a site, or for instance with the

3999
05:56:42,330 --> 05:56:49,050
octagon barn it is so small that production ag is infusible. A little bit of nuance there is

4000
05:56:49,050 --> 05:56:55,970
the site itself I believe was 1.74 acres in size zone to ag. The adjacent parcel that was

4001
05:56:55,970 --> 05:57:00,990
also included as part of that project was zone commercial services so already out of the ag

4002
05:57:00,990 --> 05:57:07,290
land use designation so ag is no longer intended to be the primary use of that site. However it was

4003
05:57:07,290 --> 05:57:09,610
as farmed dry farm grain on that site.

4004
05:57:10,510 --> 05:57:13,170
So the most notable comment from our department at the time

4005
05:57:13,170 --> 05:57:16,470
was that at least four acres of prime soil would be converted.

4006
05:57:17,050 --> 05:57:19,110
But that was viewed as an incremental

4007
05:57:19,110 --> 05:57:21,830
or limited conversion of ag resources.

4008
05:57:22,940 --> 05:57:24,410
There was still concern because there

4009
05:57:24,410 --> 05:57:26,090
was active agriculture on that parcel.

4010
05:57:27,290 --> 05:57:30,870
And so in spirit there, we recommended adding fencing

4011
05:57:30,870 --> 05:57:33,130
to deter trespassing onto that property.

4012
05:57:33,820 --> 05:57:35,230
That was still an active production.

4013
05:57:35,230 --> 05:57:43,350
So today we're looking at a site that we reviewed and did identify there was limited ag capability on the site.

4014
05:57:43,850 --> 05:57:48,710
I would clarify from that policy interpretation document that we do use.

4015
05:57:49,630 --> 05:57:56,770
We do not consider irrigated pasture used for grazing of horses to be an agricultural use or a crop production.

4016
05:57:57,350 --> 05:57:59,410
Typically, it would need to be grazed by livestock.

4017
05:57:59,850 --> 05:58:01,310
So for the production of food and fiber.

4018
05:58:01,310 --> 05:58:01,390
However,

4019
05:58:03,850 --> 05:58:10,270
in that regard, the site is 22.2 acres in size, it is very steep, it has a wood

4020
05:58:10,270 --> 05:58:11,830
loom that is dense on the site.

4021
05:58:12,150 --> 05:58:17,870
There is a area of prime soil, but with the subsequent development on the site, that

4022
05:58:17,870 --> 05:58:23,370
has reduced it to about approximately 0.5 acres of prime soil that you could farm on.

4023
05:58:23,370 --> 05:58:30,610
Again, not large enough to be able to have a viable ag operation at the site.

4024
05:58:31,710 --> 05:58:37,230
So based off of that, and in spirit with the board resolution, that is why we are here

4025
05:58:37,230 --> 05:58:43,850
today because it is for your review authority to make that unique circumstance determination

4026
05:58:44,340 --> 05:58:47,490
on whether or not Ag Policy 6 would apply.

4027
05:58:48,030 --> 05:58:50,610
Very good, thank you.

4028
05:58:50,610 --> 05:58:55,670
So just to clarify, cattle, if they were grazing cattle on the 20 acre site, then it would

4029
05:58:57,970 --> 05:59:03,570
count towards, if the, if the pasture was utilized for cattle grazing, that would go into

4030
05:59:03,570 --> 05:59:08,530
that calculation for an agricultural use because it can be a proportional combination of

4031
05:59:08,530 --> 05:59:09,110
those uses.

4032
05:59:09,150 --> 05:59:15,290
I'm not sure if you have seen those recently, but it would go towards that overall ag use.

4033
05:59:15,290 --> 05:59:19,390
and so your recommendation would be different in that case wouldn't like it.

4034
05:59:20,190 --> 05:59:26,370
Yes, then we would start looking at is there sufficient ag on the site.

4035
05:59:26,630 --> 05:59:31,450
So one of the criteria would be five acres of irrigated vine or tree crop,

4036
05:59:31,810 --> 05:59:39,150
10 acres of irrigated row crop, 40 acres of irrigated pasture and so on.

4037
05:59:39,530 --> 05:59:44,150
And so yes, if the two acres was also utilized for cattle grazing,

4038
05:59:44,150 --> 05:59:57,810
That would be considered, but it probably wouldn't meet the combination just because for cattle grazing it would be 320 acres utilized for cattle grazing based off of that interpretation document.

4039
05:59:58,410 --> 05:59:59,890
But the site is very small.

4040
06:00:00,370 --> 06:00:07,150
I would note that parcel that's under 20 acres in size would typically be considered a substandard ag size parcel.

4041
06:00:09,810 --> 06:00:11,230
Could I ask a question?

4042
06:00:12,090 --> 06:00:30,930
So what is your recommendation then because you're saying this is not technically big enough to be an ag parcel, especially with the steep slope. So is this one of those unique situations in your opinion?

4043
06:00:31,970 --> 06:00:44,370
So for us as a referral agency, we analyze the policy the way that we do and present that to the planning department and subsequently the review authority.

4044
06:00:45,210 --> 06:00:51,710
So in the past and still to come in the future, planning may disagree with our assessment.

4045
06:00:52,750 --> 06:01:00,390
But that is why you saw the board resolution the way it was recorded is because there's going to be unique circumstances where it doesn't fit.

4046
06:01:01,210 --> 06:01:04,330
But that doesn't change how we apply our criteria consistently.

4047
06:01:05,810 --> 06:01:10,810
So I can't outright be like, let's approve it, we're in support of it.

4048
06:01:11,070 --> 06:01:20,910
But in our initial referral response, that's why we identified the limited ad capability to provide that breadcrumb, if you will, to show that.

4049
06:01:20,910 --> 06:01:23,550
That, you know, there was some issue with it.

4050
06:01:23,850 --> 06:01:24,810
Okay, thank you.

4051
06:01:25,090 --> 06:01:25,270
You're welcome.

4052
06:01:28,290 --> 06:01:36,610
So, so much, we're talking about irrigated horse pastures, is there horses, is there horses

4053
06:01:36,610 --> 06:01:40,690
on the facility or is it just a, or they just have an irrigated pasture?

4054
06:01:41,230 --> 06:01:45,090
They, they have two horses there, and it puts off when we're on the site.

4055
06:01:45,810 --> 06:01:48,450
And, yeah, and two navfakers, that'd be probably about right for two.

4056
06:01:48,450 --> 06:02:00,990
So the, I guess one question is if somebody had, you know, a 300 acre horse ranch, that's not considered ag, but if they had two acres of wine grapes, that would be ag.

4057
06:02:01,910 --> 06:02:14,790
Correct. So for the department, we do not typically consider horses to be horse keeping, riding, training, events, exhibitions,

4058
06:02:14,790 --> 06:02:20,110
questions, personal breeding for personal use to be an agricultural use.

4059
06:02:20,530 --> 06:02:26,330
If it's ranch or draft horses or a commercial breeding program where that's the primary

4060
06:02:26,810 --> 06:02:32,230
use of the site, that is where we would consider it more of an agricultural use.

4061
06:02:32,410 --> 06:02:37,250
But if it's an equestrian facility where it's riding schools and academies and people are

4062
06:02:37,250 --> 06:02:41,130
being invited to ride or view exhibits, then we would not consider that an agricultural

4063
06:02:41,130 --> 06:02:41,710
use.

4064
06:02:41,710 --> 06:02:43,430
We consider that a visitor serving, yes.

4065
06:02:43,970 --> 06:03:11,350
Okay, and then Jamie, if you had a commercial, I'm sorry, yeah, commercial zone property, industrial property or residential, would you allow to have two horses on that property, or do you have to go to an ag property to have horses on residential property, you can have horses, and some commercial you can, but I don't know off the top, but I think it goes to, okay, so if we put a cow,

4066
06:03:11,350 --> 06:03:16,850
out on the two acres of irrigated pasture.

4067
06:03:18,070 --> 06:03:19,810
Okay, all of a sudden, my pastures ag.

4068
06:03:20,910 --> 06:03:24,450
I mean, it's an irrigated pasture

4069
06:03:24,450 --> 06:03:26,390
that's qualified for purposes of Williams Act.

4070
06:03:26,910 --> 06:03:29,410
If we, you know, for purposes of subdivision.

4071
06:03:29,550 --> 06:03:30,630
So this is a whole another,

4072
06:03:30,870 --> 06:03:32,370
I could talk about this all day long.

4073
06:03:32,470 --> 06:03:34,430
Our horses ag, horses are an ag.

4074
06:03:35,090 --> 06:03:37,130
So they get into the visitor serving component.

4075
06:03:37,370 --> 06:03:39,530
So whenever we're working on temporary events,

4076
06:03:39,530 --> 06:03:45,790
Now, all of a sudden, based on this ALAB criteria, where you can only have 5% of the agricultural

4077
06:03:45,790 --> 06:03:51,570
youths devoted to visitor-serving youths, if you have 20 acres of lavender that you can't

4078
06:03:51,570 --> 06:03:52,290
do with your horses.

4079
06:03:53,050 --> 06:03:54,170
It was questioned in the answer room.

4080
06:03:54,490 --> 06:03:54,690
Okay.

4081
06:03:54,790 --> 06:03:55,070
Sorry.

4082
06:03:56,530 --> 06:03:59,330
It shows that it's a bigger picture discussion.

4083
06:03:59,570 --> 06:04:00,490
There's a lot to talk about.

4084
06:04:03,430 --> 06:04:04,950
I think that's all I got now until we do.

4085
06:04:05,070 --> 06:04:05,290
Okay.

4086
06:04:05,510 --> 06:04:06,090
Thank you.

4087
06:04:06,090 --> 06:04:10,630
I have one more question for staff.

4088
06:04:10,830 --> 06:04:15,270
We saw the octagon barn in the applicant's presentation.

4089
06:04:15,790 --> 06:04:23,510
Can staff tell me how that approval maybe is different than what's before us today?

4090
06:04:24,310 --> 06:04:26,310
I heard about a commercial component.

4091
06:04:27,090 --> 06:04:28,530
Can you walk us through that, please?

4092
06:04:29,810 --> 06:04:37,870
Yeah, and reading through that staff report, that property is the only one I'm aware of where

4093
06:04:38,910 --> 06:04:45,750
there was an approval for something like this without an existing agricultural use as a primary

4094
06:04:45,750 --> 06:04:52,490
use. However, on that property, there was a historic agricultural use that was a smaller parcel.

4095
06:04:52,490 --> 06:04:55,770
It was, I think, an acre, a little over an acre.

4096
06:04:56,630 --> 06:05:02,910
And it was bordered by commercial property and it had easy access.

4097
06:05:03,350 --> 06:05:04,630
It was on the urban fringe.

4098
06:05:05,770 --> 06:05:10,450
And what was proposed as part of that application was for an agricultural museum.

4099
06:05:11,900 --> 06:05:16,250
Events were proposed to take place in existing agricultural buildings.

4100
06:05:16,250 --> 06:05:22,470
So it seemed like there was a feeling that that was more

4101
06:05:22,470 --> 06:05:26,830
agricultural-y aligned events were a secondary use.

4102
06:05:27,030 --> 06:05:28,410
That's how they were described anyway.

4103
06:05:29,070 --> 06:05:32,590
Secondary to the agricultural museum and activities.

4104
06:05:33,270 --> 06:05:36,030
I'd just like to chime in there because I was part of that

4105
06:05:36,030 --> 06:05:38,590
development team at the Lansing Conservancy.

4106
06:05:39,070 --> 06:05:41,450
So I spent a lot of years working on that project.

4107
06:05:41,450 --> 06:05:55,490
and indeed, kind of agreeing with what Ms. Kuse said, but there are other differences there that makes that an exceptional parcel, and not the norm, and why it's not the same.

4108
06:05:55,970 --> 06:06:04,610
That was also a nonprofit organization that came in and spent millions of dollars to restore some historically significant structures.

4109
06:06:04,610 --> 06:06:13,350
So they weren't building, well, a new auxiliary structure was built to bathrooms and one other building.

4110
06:06:13,770 --> 06:06:19,390
But the primary uses of those were the use is within restored historic structures.

4111
06:06:20,050 --> 06:06:27,690
So that's a very different and exceptional case that I don't think is at all comparative to the one we're looking at today.

4112
06:06:27,690 --> 06:06:38,070
There were a lot of differences there that made that exceptional, where we're looking at a commercial venture in newer constructed, non-historic buildings.

4113
06:06:39,290 --> 06:06:41,770
I think that makes a poor comparison.

4114
06:06:42,170 --> 06:06:43,750
Thank you for your institutional knowledge.

4115
06:06:44,310 --> 06:06:56,790
Yeah, and I know you would have been through the sausage factory here in the late 2000s when we were debating this and how temporary events came into this and special events.

4116
06:06:56,790 --> 06:07:01,270
on Ag Land and it really just got dropped because it was so messy.

4117
06:07:02,190 --> 06:07:06,910
It was very difficult and I joke I kind of black that period out of my memory.

4118
06:07:07,450 --> 06:07:15,150
It was very difficult to try to parse out all of these interpretations like you've heard from Ms. Jones as far as,

4119
06:07:15,350 --> 06:07:19,790
we've heard from staff today as far as your recreation, public assembly,

4120
06:07:20,350 --> 06:07:24,670
when temporary isn't temporary at what point and all of that.

4121
06:07:24,670 --> 06:07:43,950
So, I think a lot of those questions are still outstanding and not determined and I just have us be kind of wary of the one octagon barn kind of exception being used as a kind of case representing the norm.

4122
06:07:43,950 --> 06:07:44,950
Okay.

4123
06:07:46,980 --> 06:08:10,480
Thank you. So before I open public communications, I just want to just, Council, you can help me articulate this perhaps better is, we've seen a lot of correspondence about fire threat and traffic mitigation and amplify noise and drunk guests and things of that nature.

4124
06:08:10,480 --> 06:08:17,440
but, Council, can you help us as we open communication frame what that driving lane looks

4125
06:08:17,440 --> 06:08:19,460
like as far as our consideration today?

4126
06:08:19,800 --> 06:08:20,000
Sure.

4127
06:08:20,140 --> 06:08:20,220
Yeah.

4128
06:08:20,280 --> 06:08:21,000
Bendora County Council.

4129
06:08:21,180 --> 06:08:26,240
So a lot of that is irrelevant to today's discussion, which is really just focused on

4130
06:08:26,240 --> 06:08:29,140
the narrow issue of Ag Policy 6, like I said before.

4131
06:08:29,560 --> 06:08:35,160
If this project were to come before you at a later date as a fully foreign project, at

4132
06:08:35,160 --> 06:08:37,640
At that point, you would be considering those issues.

4133
06:08:39,020 --> 06:08:44,540
And then just in terms of like pass code enforcement cases, that case has been resolved

4134
06:08:45,040 --> 06:08:46,000
in terms of events.

4135
06:08:46,460 --> 06:08:53,520
So that case is no longer ongoing, to the extent that it was, this is the avenue to resolve

4136
06:08:53,520 --> 06:08:54,520
it is getting a permit.

4137
06:08:55,180 --> 06:08:59,860
So they're going through the appropriate process to resolve that code enforcement case.

4138
06:09:00,640 --> 06:09:07,020
But yeah, just short answers today, that's really not kind of relevant to your consideration.

4139
06:09:07,300 --> 06:09:08,280
Okay, thank you.

4140
06:09:08,680 --> 06:09:13,820
So as I call you to come forward, if you could just frame your comments knowing that, but

4141
06:09:13,820 --> 06:09:19,220
I also don't want to quash your opinion that you want to share with us.

4142
06:09:19,460 --> 06:09:23,880
Chair, could we just ask council one more question before we get the public comment?

4143
06:09:23,880 --> 06:09:35,160
You know why wife always calls me we may inform it so as far as pathways toward legalization

4144
06:09:35,160 --> 06:09:40,400
and how we got here today spent some time talking to the applicants representative on the site

4145
06:09:40,400 --> 06:09:48,100
about how we got here today in this kind of uncomfortable position of a staff request for denial

4146
06:09:49,460 --> 06:09:57,200
that we don't see very often, and the challenge of this for the applicants and for us and staff and everyone.

4147
06:09:57,820 --> 06:10:02,600
And so it may be helpful to frame this in terms of just options for other pathways.

4148
06:10:03,320 --> 06:10:08,520
And maybe I'll just try to share it as I heard it and Council could confirm.

4149
06:10:09,060 --> 06:10:13,080
But as I understood it from reading the staff report and talking to the applicants' agents,

4150
06:10:13,080 --> 06:10:19,100
The applicants had intended to go through a pathway of a general plant change to change

4151
06:10:19,100 --> 06:10:25,800
the zone on this parcel to accomplish several things to allow for some B and B use, the

4152
06:10:25,800 --> 06:10:28,420
events use, and potentially a lot of it.

4153
06:10:29,440 --> 06:10:36,720
And so, you know, during the course of this attempt, they decided that the events use was

4154
06:10:36,720 --> 06:10:43,860
their primary intent and that this could be a pathway to get there for the temporary

4155
06:10:43,860 --> 06:10:49,560
events use. So in my characterizing our conversation accurately, right? Okay, so just want to confirm

4156
06:10:49,560 --> 06:10:56,260
that that other pathway would be available for this and some other potential uses if we didn't

4157
06:10:56,260 --> 06:11:01,840
go this one. So it's not like this is the only remedy. Yeah, that's correct. So yeah, the alternative,

4158
06:11:01,840 --> 06:11:12,240
of an alternative path would be to go through the general plan amendment process, which would recategorize this land to a different land use designation, in which case, Ag Policy 6 wouldn't be applicable.

4159
06:11:12,980 --> 06:11:13,620
Thank you.

4160
06:11:14,140 --> 06:11:15,000
I get it. Sorry.

4161
06:11:16,060 --> 06:11:23,380
If we are basically saying that this doesn't qualify under Ag Policy 6, is this appealable to the board, or does this mean that the project is dead at the point?

4162
06:11:23,640 --> 06:11:25,040
No, this is appealable to the board to go.

4163
06:11:28,010 --> 06:11:31,310
Okay, so I'm going to go ahead and open public comment.

4164
06:11:31,310 --> 06:11:36,170
I will call the first two people, so you know who's on deck.

4165
06:11:36,850 --> 06:11:43,510
The first speaker is a representative of a group, so we're going to award them five minutes.

4166
06:11:44,630 --> 06:11:49,850
This is Lynn, excuse me, is it Mack or Wack Castello?

4167
06:11:50,830 --> 06:11:58,510
I'm sorry, I'm not very good with cursive, so if you'd like to come forward, and then following Lynn will be Joanne Miller.

4168
06:11:58,510 --> 06:11:59,690
Thank

4169
06:12:01,900 --> 06:12:03,640
you and good afternoon commissioners.

4170
06:12:04,260 --> 06:12:11,960
My name is Lynn Mack Custello, and I'm here on behalf of the property owners in the Indian

4171
06:12:11,960 --> 06:12:13,380
nog subdivision.

4172
06:12:13,700 --> 06:12:21,580
My husband and I, Joe, bought our home at 6155, Almeridge Way, approximately nine years

4173
06:12:21,580 --> 06:12:21,940
ago.

4174
06:12:23,080 --> 06:12:27,220
Now, as I believe, we're just our flipper.

4175
06:12:46,900 --> 06:12:47,400
Okay, thank you.

4176
06:12:47,400 --> 06:12:48,100
just

4177
06:12:51,650 --> 06:12:52,010
a moment.

4178
06:12:55,880 --> 06:13:03,360
Can I recover that time? All right. Okay, so you can see here, as soon as

4179
06:13:03,360 --> 06:13:04,720
I figure out how to operate this.

4180
06:13:14,840 --> 06:13:19,680
Okay, thank you. And again, which button?

4181
06:13:22,180 --> 06:13:22,780
There we go.

4182
06:13:23,480 --> 06:13:29,340
So as you can see here, that is our property and is located approximately, are directly above

4183
06:13:29,340 --> 06:13:32,520
of the subject property as the canyons turn.

4184
06:13:33,620 --> 06:13:35,820
Now, my remarks here today, and I ask for you,

4185
06:13:36,060 --> 06:13:39,400
a thank you for not quashing all comment,

4186
06:13:40,080 --> 06:13:42,660
but I wanted you to keep two words in mind,

4187
06:13:42,940 --> 06:13:44,860
for seeability and risks,

4188
06:13:45,320 --> 06:13:48,200
because when you apply simple math to this proposal,

4189
06:13:48,500 --> 06:13:49,900
it does not add up.

4190
06:13:50,880 --> 06:13:53,220
Now, let me provide some additional context.

4191
06:13:53,820 --> 06:13:56,520
Joan, I also own a home in Pacific Palisades.

4192
06:13:57,540 --> 06:14:04,680
On January 7th last year, that community of 29,000 people was devastated in the Palisades

4193
06:14:04,680 --> 06:14:05,120
fire.

4194
06:14:06,960 --> 06:14:13,880
Over 7,000 homes, schools, churches, businesses are gone.

4195
06:14:14,500 --> 06:14:17,780
Twelve people lost their lives because they could not evacuate.

4196
06:14:19,020 --> 06:14:21,100
This was the fire that couldn't happen.

4197
06:14:21,100 --> 06:14:27,500
There are lessons here from that fire and they directly relate to your interest in adhering

4198
06:14:27,500 --> 06:14:32,120
to state and local laws regarding fire, life, and safety.

4199
06:14:33,050 --> 06:14:38,140
I understand some of you have had an opportunity to visit the subject property.

4200
06:14:39,160 --> 06:14:49,460
Please visualize again that narrow driveway is partially paved at a 45-degree ascent.

4201
06:14:50,340 --> 06:14:55,860
and with no room for two vehicles to pass each other in opposite directions.

4202
06:14:55,860 --> 06:14:59,000
The applicants are asking you to approve.

4203
06:15:00,720 --> 06:15:07,520
25 outdoor events a year with up to 150 gates, yes, and wave the requirements for secondary

4204
06:15:07,520 --> 06:15:14,580
access route. Let's do the math. 25 events is roughly two per month. But we know that

4205
06:15:14,580 --> 06:15:20,660
most events will be in the warmer months, the summer and fall, at the height of the

4206
06:15:20,660 --> 06:15:30,560
driest and most fire prone parts of the year. That means nearly weekly events in the peak fire season.

4207
06:15:31,740 --> 06:15:39,860
150 guests. That's roughly averaging two per car that put 75 cars up on that upper parking lot.

4208
06:15:41,200 --> 06:15:49,160
What could go wrong? Even a joyful events like weddings, accidents happen, somebody trips going down to their car.

4209
06:15:50,020 --> 06:15:56,480
The sound or light wires cross and spark in the dry grass.

4210
06:15:56,720 --> 06:16:02,440
A candle tips over, alcohol is involved and a cigarette bud is flicked into the dry shrubs.

4211
06:16:03,220 --> 06:16:08,400
What is foreseeable is that at some point emergency vehicles are going to be needed.

4212
06:16:09,260 --> 06:16:12,640
An ambulance is approximately 8 feet wide.

4213
06:16:12,640 --> 06:16:19,640
A fire engine is 9 to 8 to 10 feet wide, and both require 12 feet of clearance to safely

4214
06:16:19,640 --> 06:16:23,560
navigate hills and steep hills of terms.

4215
06:16:24,610 --> 06:16:26,660
Now consider the math,

4216
06:16:30,140 --> 06:16:33,140
sorry about that,

4217
06:16:35,880 --> 06:16:37,560
okay, okay, what

4218
06:16:39,800 --> 06:16:42,580
happened, okay basically what

4219
06:16:42,580 --> 06:16:49,620
What we're talking about is why this point, Monty Brode, is 15 and a half feet wide.

4220
06:16:50,240 --> 06:16:54,960
12 feet of clearance only does not leave much room for any cars to pass by.

4221
06:16:56,260 --> 06:17:02,420
Now, for Baron Canyon and Indy Nob, there is also, sorry, this has got me off.

4222
06:17:03,120 --> 06:17:03,200
Okay.

4223
06:17:04,640 --> 06:17:08,680
75 guest vehicles attempting to exit in an emergency.

4224
06:17:08,680 --> 06:17:12,660
emergency vehicles trying to enter a road to narrow.

4225
06:17:13,120 --> 06:17:18,600
If an ambulance or fire truck is blocking the access, there is no alternative route out.

4226
06:17:19,360 --> 06:17:21,960
This is where the palisase fire is instructive.

4227
06:17:22,620 --> 06:17:26,580
Up in the upper left-hand corner that picture the palisase was narrowed called the Highlands.

4228
06:17:27,120 --> 06:17:34,020
There is a three-mile narrow canyon road down to Sunset Boulevard, which is really the only

4229
06:17:34,020 --> 06:17:36,900
access in and out of palisades.

4230
06:17:37,860 --> 06:17:44,580
On January 7th, it has two lanes up and two lanes down, but on January 7th, panic.

4231
06:17:45,340 --> 06:17:50,940
People drove down all four lanes, and then they were stopped as sensible of art because

4232
06:17:50,940 --> 06:17:52,660
it was deadlocked.

4233
06:17:53,000 --> 06:17:55,420
People were trapped, and they were frightened.

4234
06:17:55,820 --> 06:17:59,560
They abandoned their vehicles and ran through their lives down to the ocean.

4235
06:18:00,780 --> 06:18:05,360
The parallel for Bering Canyon in Indie Nod, there's also only one way out.

4236
06:18:05,360 --> 06:18:07,900
Barron Canyon Road to Monty Road.

4237
06:18:08,440 --> 06:18:15,980
There are 29 homes up in Barron Canyon and about 70 residents at 150 guests to that

4238
06:18:15,980 --> 06:18:21,120
equation during a dry, windy day, foreseeability and risk.

4239
06:18:21,680 --> 06:18:25,500
It is foreseeable that there will be an emergency situation.

4240
06:18:25,760 --> 06:18:27,760
Lynn, I need to ask you to wrap it up, please.

4241
06:18:28,240 --> 06:18:28,480
I'm sorry?

4242
06:18:28,940 --> 06:18:30,260
Could you wrap it up, please?

4243
06:18:30,380 --> 06:18:30,920
Yes, of course.

4244
06:18:31,200 --> 06:18:31,560
Thank you.

4245
06:18:32,880 --> 06:18:36,260
It is foreseeable that no one will be able to escape.

4246
06:18:36,960 --> 06:18:41,480
The question before you today is not just about events, it is about foreseeability and

4247
06:18:41,480 --> 06:18:41,960
risk.

4248
06:18:42,320 --> 06:18:49,440
It is about whether approving this proposal exposes this community and this county to preventable

4249
06:18:49,440 --> 06:18:49,920
danger.

4250
06:18:50,680 --> 06:18:53,900
The emergency is foreseeable, the math does not work.

4251
06:18:54,300 --> 06:19:00,220
We urge you to please follow the staff's recommendation to deny the application for

4252
06:19:00,220 --> 06:19:00,780
the CUP.

4253
06:19:00,780 --> 06:19:07,900
Thank you. Thank you. So we're going to go with Joanne Miller, followed by Patricia Hood. Good afternoon.

4254
06:19:08,440 --> 06:19:16,740
Good afternoon. My name is Joanne Miller and my husband Richard and I live at 90 Baron Canyon Ranch Road in an incorporated San Luis Obispo.

4255
06:19:16,740 --> 06:19:26,380
So we purchased a lot that we built upon in 2000, and then we built our home spending

4256
06:19:26,380 --> 06:19:33,280
both extra time and money to conform to the environmental requirements of a rural

4257
06:19:33,280 --> 06:19:34,380
residential area.

4258
06:19:36,720 --> 06:19:40,280
We finally moved in nearly eight years later.

4259
06:19:41,620 --> 06:19:47,760
So when we heard that there was a possibility of extended commercial activity in the area,

4260
06:19:47,960 --> 06:19:49,640
we were quite concerned.

4261
06:19:51,040 --> 06:19:53,980
As has already been mentioned, Monty Road is narrow.

4262
06:19:54,160 --> 06:19:57,360
You really can hardly pass two cars, there are no shoulders.

4263
06:19:58,260 --> 06:20:01,320
And it's a, you know, fire is our biggest, you know, is our biggest danger.

4264
06:20:02,000 --> 06:20:04,180
But it's not, you know, but it's not our only danger.

4265
06:20:04,740 --> 06:20:09,360
It is an agricultural area even though the subject property is not agricultural.

4266
06:20:10,400 --> 06:20:17,720
And there are, you know, a number of cars that go by and Monty Road is no South Igera.

4267
06:20:18,040 --> 06:20:22,560
And so the relevance of the out-of-gone barn is irrelevant, you know, the comparison.

4268
06:20:23,600 --> 06:20:27,980
So these frequent events will generate trash, et cetera, et cetera.

4269
06:20:28,280 --> 06:20:30,100
And it is a steep property.

4270
06:20:30,560 --> 06:20:36,140
We already get flooding when it rains coming down from that 36-degree slope.

4271
06:20:36,140 --> 06:20:45,180
And so we really, really hope that you will go ahead and follow staff recommendation and deny this conditional use permit.

4272
06:20:45,580 --> 06:20:47,620
I have nothing more to say. Thank you very much.

4273
06:20:48,080 --> 06:20:48,540
Thank you.

4274
06:20:49,500 --> 06:20:53,000
So Patricia Hood is next followed by John Sexton.

4275
06:20:54,100 --> 06:20:55,960
Hi, good afternoon commissioners.

4276
06:20:56,520 --> 06:21:03,240
My name is Patricia Hood, and I've lived at 5820 on Ridgeway in Barron Canyon for almost 25 years, long time.

4277
06:21:04,740 --> 06:21:10,780
This hearing is for you guys to consider that application by Richard Nolan for a conditional

4278
06:21:10,780 --> 06:21:17,240
use permit for 25 annual events with up to 150 guests with amplified music for a 20 year

4279
06:21:17,240 --> 06:21:17,760
period.

4280
06:21:18,300 --> 06:21:23,300
I understand what you guys just said that kind of makes a lot of this irrelevant but still

4281
06:21:23,300 --> 06:21:28,820
generally we have to go through because the truth is we will at some point and maybe you

4282
06:21:28,820 --> 06:21:32,420
should consider it now, history

4283
06:21:34,820 --> 06:21:36,480
is often the best way

4284
06:21:36,480 --> 06:21:37,660
to judge the future.

4285
06:21:38,360 --> 06:21:41,960
This applicant's history includes both misrepresentation

4286
06:21:41,960 --> 06:21:43,180
and broken agreements.

4287
06:21:43,700 --> 06:21:48,020
In October, 2022, after the county started receiving complaints

4288
06:21:48,500 --> 06:21:51,860
from neighbors, Dan Nolan agreed to the county

4289
06:21:51,860 --> 06:21:54,360
that no additional bookings would be made on that site.

4290
06:21:57,410 --> 06:21:59,610
Now I lost the page, I'm fine, okay.

4291
06:22:01,710 --> 06:22:02,050
Here you go,

4292
06:22:04,740 --> 06:22:06,100
I'm not good at this, huh?

4293
06:22:06,100 --> 06:22:13,100
In June 2024, the county confirmed that the Nolan's hat engaged in impermissible advertising

4294
06:22:13,100 --> 06:22:20,160
and booked events in violation of the 2022 agreement. The county confirmed unpermitted events

4295
06:22:20,160 --> 06:22:27,980
on the property on September 7, October 5, and October 26, of 2024. Dan Nolan has testified

4296
06:22:27,980 --> 06:22:34,720
that he understood the 2022 citations and that no events were allowed, however, he continued

4297
06:22:34,720 --> 06:22:37,480
to book on permitted very large events.

4298
06:22:38,200 --> 06:22:43,840
Mr. Nolan has admitted that he had not followed the 2024 county guidance.

4299
06:22:44,360 --> 06:22:51,500
Please note, I took this information directly from the San Luis Superior Court case, 25L-0294,

4300
06:22:52,060 --> 06:22:54,540
which was dated 924th, 2025.

4301
06:22:55,540 --> 06:23:00,440
More recently, the Nolan's obtained permits to build a single-family residence to serve

4302
06:23:00,440 --> 06:23:03,020
as housing for their non-existent agricultural workers.

4303
06:23:03,020 --> 06:23:10,180
As soon as the construction was complete, the Nolan submitted plans to change the property to a commercial V&D.

4304
06:23:10,700 --> 06:23:15,400
That property has eight bedrooms and eight bathrooms and is extremely large.

4305
06:23:16,140 --> 06:23:21,680
Events from at least 2022 have been held in defiance of an agreement with the county.

4306
06:23:22,340 --> 06:23:26,660
Unpermitted large and lavish weddings and events are advertised and have been held.

4307
06:23:27,060 --> 06:23:30,840
But the Nolan's have characterized the scale of events as small and private.

4308
06:23:30,840 --> 06:23:37,700
it. Based on the Nolan's history, it's impossible to believe that they will adhere to any agreement.

4309
06:23:38,760 --> 06:23:46,620
25 events could easily become 50. 150 guests could become 200. The safety and lives of the

4310
06:23:46,620 --> 06:23:51,640
entire area, not just barren canyon, square canyon, barren canyon, Monty Road and Bassey Ranch,

4311
06:23:51,640 --> 06:23:58,960
it's all a bowl. Is it risk? Due to the foreseeable risk of fire, flooding, and road conditions.

4312
06:23:59,740 --> 06:24:04,360
I think enforcement's only possible if all events are denied and

4313
06:24:04,360 --> 06:24:06,100
complaints are handled as they come in.

4314
06:24:06,960 --> 06:24:11,400
Therefore, I please ask you to agree with the staff recommendation to deny this.

4315
06:24:12,000 --> 06:24:12,880
Thank you very much.

4316
06:24:13,380 --> 06:24:13,900
Thank you.

4317
06:24:15,760 --> 06:24:18,740
John Sexton, followed by Diane Gregory.

4318
06:24:19,840 --> 06:24:25,020
Good afternoon, commission, wait a minute, I'm sorry, good afternoon, German.

4319
06:24:26,200 --> 06:24:28,760
Members of the commission and staff.

4320
06:24:28,760 --> 06:24:37,160
My name is John Sexton, and I live at 260 Rocky Creek Road in Barron Canyon.

4321
06:24:38,540 --> 06:24:45,360
I have been a resident and business owner in San Luis Obispo for over 50 years.

4322
06:24:46,260 --> 06:24:50,540
For the past 25 years, I have been a resident of Barron Canyon community.

4323
06:24:51,620 --> 06:24:57,240
During my time in San Luis Obispo, I have built two residences and one commercial building.

4324
06:24:57,900 --> 06:25:03,620
I have always played by the rules, and I've never tried to slip one over on the city or the county.

4325
06:25:04,740 --> 06:25:12,400
A horse drawn carriage ride up to the castle does not constitute a viable agricultural endeavor.

4326
06:25:13,780 --> 06:25:22,240
The project before you is nothing but a Trojan horse, one, in my opinion, that has been deviously conceived

4327
06:25:22,240 --> 06:25:27,180
and plan from the start to be nothing other than the shell game that's before you.

4328
06:25:28,510 --> 06:25:34,040
Our community of Baron Canyon takes the issue of fire preparedness very seriously.

4329
06:25:34,720 --> 06:25:37,700
It is a topic of discussion at our regular meetings.

4330
06:25:39,310 --> 06:25:47,660
How are the Chateau proprietors going to instruct 25 indulging event, 200 indulging event

4331
06:25:47,660 --> 06:25:52,540
and attendees to act wisely and responsibly during a fire emergency.

4332
06:25:53,480 --> 06:25:57,900
It's probably going to be trying to, like, heard a bunch of drunk cats.

4333
06:26:00,980 --> 06:26:06,200
Baron Canyon recently upgraded and greatly expanded our water storage capacity.

4334
06:26:06,880 --> 06:26:10,900
This will aid us in, us and responders if there is a fire.

4335
06:26:11,720 --> 06:26:16,120
I know of no such resources at the Chateau.

4336
06:26:16,120 --> 06:26:19,600
So, excuse me, I mean agricultural house.

4337
06:26:22,860 --> 06:26:24,200
And what about the sewage?

4338
06:26:24,600 --> 06:26:29,280
That many people will create quite a lot of it, and wonder if porta-potties are still

4339
06:26:29,280 --> 06:26:30,940
invoked for upscale weddings.

4340
06:26:32,560 --> 06:26:41,560
Please allow me to read a quote from Chief Deputy Nolan, a Nate Paul from November 6, 2024.

4341
06:26:43,500 --> 06:26:50,320
A key concern of our office is the potential for noise complaints resulting from a project

4342
06:26:50,320 --> 06:26:51,560
such as this.

4343
06:26:51,940 --> 06:26:58,580
It has been our experience that members of the public expect a property right upon renting

4344
06:26:58,580 --> 06:27:02,060
an event space to basically do what they want.

4345
06:27:02,720 --> 06:27:09,320
This provision for uses of the space such as amplified noise levels.

4346
06:27:09,320 --> 06:27:15,780
For example, the father of the bride will tell the DJ at her wedding reception to turn

4347
06:27:15,780 --> 06:27:20,400
up the music because he has rented the facility, and this is her special day.

4348
06:27:21,840 --> 06:27:27,520
The project will likely result in additional sheriff office calls for service, including

4349
06:27:27,520 --> 06:27:35,440
alarm calls during all hours, noise complaints, as well as domestic violence, public intoxication,

4350
06:27:35,440 --> 06:27:43,620
fight end of quote John if you could wrap your comments up please I will thank you I do not believe

4351
06:27:43,620 --> 06:27:50,590
we would encounter these types of problems with a handful of agricultural work I'm asking to

4352
06:27:50,590 --> 06:27:58,910
planning commission to agree with staff and deny this request thank you thank you we've got

4353
06:27:58,910 --> 06:28:06,810
Diane Gregory in my last speaker slip is Steve and excuse me if I say fiend when it should be fine

4354
06:28:10,270 --> 06:28:15,710
My name is Diane Gregory, my husband and I live at 5, 7, 7, 5.

4355
06:28:16,230 --> 06:28:18,010
Baumrich, Wei and Baron Canyon.

4356
06:28:18,610 --> 06:28:21,090
We have lived there for over 23 years.

4357
06:28:21,410 --> 06:28:23,310
We hope to spend the rest of our lives there.

4358
06:28:24,170 --> 06:28:28,230
For years, the Nolands have attempted to outsmart the county officials.

4359
06:28:28,770 --> 06:28:30,450
We look at the string of changes.

4360
06:28:30,930 --> 06:28:34,830
They have been made to the proposed use of the property.

4361
06:28:34,830 --> 06:28:40,910
Is it a wedding venue? Or a bed and breakfast? I'm sorry. I must be mistaken. It was supposed

4362
06:28:40,910 --> 06:28:47,510
to be agricultural work housing. Cesar Chavez would be truly proud. As a result of his hard

4363
06:28:47,510 --> 06:28:53,270
work, agricultural workers would get to live in a multi-million dollar old French chateau.

4364
06:28:54,030 --> 06:29:00,430
Now the Nolan say it is their dream home. Of course, that is subject to change based upon what they

4365
06:29:00,430 --> 06:29:06,750
believe they can get away with them. Today, we are here, the small plot of land behind

4366
06:29:06,750 --> 06:29:17,730
the Chateau for two horses to graze, consists of prostitutes, ag pro-agqualification, not primary

4367
06:29:17,730 --> 06:29:23,870
agricultural use. As my friends and neighbors have so eloquently stated, the entire Avala

4368
06:29:23,870 --> 06:29:28,870
Valley, Barron Canyon, Square Canyon, Bassey Ranch, and C. Canyon, is a potential powder

4369
06:29:28,870 --> 06:29:34,470
just one spark from a careless and e-poriated wedding guest and poof.

4370
06:29:35,030 --> 06:29:40,350
The entire area goes up in flames but don't worry the nollands have a plan.

4371
06:29:41,410 --> 06:29:46,730
If the Planning Commission allows the nolland to use the property for anything more than their dream

4372
06:29:46,730 --> 06:29:51,010
home, don't be surprised at the potential catastrophic outcome.

4373
06:29:52,470 --> 06:29:55,470
Given their sterling reputation for honesty and integrity,

4374
06:29:55,470 --> 06:29:59,830
It seems only fitting that the Planning Commission trust the Nolens what

4375
06:30:00,000 --> 06:30:01,360
Could possibly go wrong.

4376
06:30:04,660 --> 06:30:27,840
Thank you. Good afternoon. I'm Steve Fient. I'm my San Luis little native. My family has lived in Squire Canyon since the mid-1960s. The property currently owned by the Nolans has never been used for agriculture. As described as too steep, it's covered in shrub brush and oak trees.

4377
06:30:30,580 --> 06:30:32,700
One of the properties made

4378
06:30:32,700 --> 06:30:45,520
Southerment was at one time used as a dairy, other than that, there's been no row crops, there's no wheat crops, nothing in the entire Monty Road area.

4379
06:30:46,120 --> 06:30:49,440
Squire Canyon is zoned residential suburban.

4380
06:30:50,440 --> 06:31:01,640
It was, I was told by the original developers of Squire Canyon that it was specifically zoned residential suburban to absolutely prevent.

4381
06:31:01,640 --> 06:31:08,260
businesses from coming in, and Squire Canyon becoming like sea canyon, nothing wrong with sea

4382
06:31:08,260 --> 06:31:15,360
canyon, but the residents at that time did not want apple farms and wine reasons, small businesses.

4383
06:31:16,020 --> 06:31:24,040
It's a country, it's a very remote, secluded area.

4384
06:31:24,060 --> 06:31:27,600
There's no signs on the freeway leading to Squire Canyon.

4385
06:31:27,960 --> 06:31:29,220
We like it that way.

4386
06:31:29,220 --> 06:31:43,040
We like our privacy, the events that have been held in the past at the Nolan property, do produce drunken partyers.

4387
06:31:43,360 --> 06:31:50,160
It's not common, it's a very small percentage of the attendees.

4388
06:31:51,080 --> 06:31:56,500
But those that are the problem, are huge problems to people trying to sleep at night,

4389
06:31:56,500 --> 06:32:04,640
and maintain their peace of mind in a very peaceful remote area of San Luis Obispo.

4390
06:32:06,420 --> 06:32:12,960
The secondary access issue is huge there because it is a box canyon.

4391
06:32:16,180 --> 06:32:25,560
It affects me personally, I own a large piece of land and have been denied building future

4392
06:32:25,560 --> 06:32:34,340
homes solely based on secondary access. The Toshera's over the hill have faced the same problem.

4393
06:32:35,120 --> 06:32:43,700
Many other people have also. So I just want to keep things peaceful and quiet as they were

4394
06:32:43,700 --> 06:32:52,420
designed in the beginning. And I understand growth, I understand things change over time,

4395
06:32:53,760 --> 06:32:57,040
But not here, it needs to stay the way it is.

4396
06:32:57,780 --> 06:33:04,620
And if I could have 10 more seconds, during lunch break, I had lunch at Luisa's downtown.

4397
06:33:06,360 --> 06:33:10,500
Excellent sourdough pancakes, they have ruined me for all other pancakes.

4398
06:33:11,100 --> 06:33:12,100
I highly recommend them.

4399
06:33:15,260 --> 06:33:17,540
Do you happen to own Luisa's, Mr. Fian?

4400
06:33:18,380 --> 06:33:23,150
No, okay, thank you.

4401
06:33:23,150 --> 06:33:27,930
That is all of the public comment slips that I have in my possession.

4402
06:33:28,090 --> 06:33:30,150
Was there anyone else for public communication?

4403
06:33:31,210 --> 06:33:35,350
Seeing none, I'm closing public comment and asking staff.

4404
06:33:35,350 --> 06:33:39,870
Do you have any comments clarifying information based on what we heard?

4405
06:33:43,650 --> 06:33:48,890
I don't think we have anything specifically just the understanding that, of course,

4406
06:33:49,070 --> 06:33:51,970
the project has not gone through the environmental analysis.

4407
06:33:51,970 --> 06:33:57,190
This saw a lot of the things that were mentioned would be evaluated should the project move forward.

4408
06:33:58,770 --> 06:34:02,130
May I ask you a follow-up question to that because there are some comments made.

4409
06:34:02,430 --> 06:34:08,630
So if there was a project moving forward, things like drive way with an access,

4410
06:34:12,690 --> 06:34:16,990
sewer, using portable restrooms, all those things would be addressed during that process.

4411
06:34:17,790 --> 06:34:26,070
Yes, of course, access, egress, noise, traffic, all of those things.

4412
06:34:26,730 --> 06:34:26,950
Okay.

4413
06:34:27,150 --> 06:34:28,910
Very good. Thank you.

4414
06:34:31,360 --> 06:34:32,080
I have a question.

4415
06:34:32,960 --> 06:34:39,660
Could I just not to go into the history too much, but how did this all get...

4416
06:34:40,280 --> 06:34:42,220
How did the original noise complaint get started?

4417
06:34:42,740 --> 06:34:47,900
How many events were going on and were those permitted at all whatsoever?

4418
06:34:47,900 --> 06:34:51,700
whatever or what happened, just the quick first.

4419
06:34:52,600 --> 06:35:00,200
Yeah, well, in August of 2022, that's been the complaints were first submitted to our

4420
06:35:00,200 --> 06:35:09,880
county code enforcement for events that were happening on site, and that case was closed

4421
06:35:09,880 --> 06:35:19,240
because Mr. Nolan had ceased advertisements. That was part of the condition. It came back.

4422
06:35:20,800 --> 06:35:27,560
Complaints resumed in May of 2024 for additional events were happening along with advertisements.

4423
06:35:29,100 --> 06:35:34,220
And so that's kind of where we're, that's kind of how it all kind of started. And if you have any

4424
06:35:34,220 --> 06:35:39,740
questions, I do have Tristanie waiting in the wings if you want to ask any additional questions.

4425
06:35:39,740 --> 06:35:41,040
regarding those violations.

4426
06:35:41,580 --> 06:35:42,840
Okay, thank you.

4427
06:35:43,380 --> 06:35:47,580
Could I say my opinion on this

4428
06:35:47,580 --> 06:35:49,480
and see just given the late hour

4429
06:35:49,480 --> 06:35:52,540
and see if we can find any consensus

4430
06:35:52,540 --> 06:35:54,900
or if we want to hash through everything?

4431
06:35:55,740 --> 06:35:57,700
No, I think it looks as

4432
06:35:57,700 --> 06:35:59,580
lower transitioning towards deliberation

4433
06:35:59,580 --> 06:36:01,100
so I assume you're lead off.

4434
06:36:01,500 --> 06:36:02,820
Okay, I will.

4435
06:36:03,520 --> 06:36:05,420
What I would like to say is

4436
06:36:05,420 --> 06:36:08,160
I would like to just follow staff's recommendation

4437
06:36:08,160 --> 06:36:18,340
and deny, I think sometimes we do have to do things in an effort of efficiency for the staff's time and for everyone's time.

4438
06:36:19,160 --> 06:36:26,740
And I don't take this lightly. I actually live next to one of these event places on my street.

4439
06:36:27,000 --> 06:36:32,820
And we're just five acre lots. And I have it like two five acres away.

4440
06:36:33,440 --> 06:36:37,580
I didn't even know how big the events were until I met someone at the hair salon who told

4441
06:36:37,580 --> 06:36:43,040
me her wedding was 250 people. I was like, really? It does not bother us whatsoever.

4442
06:36:43,780 --> 06:36:49,740
We, no traffic, no nothing. I think we saw a drunk guy throwing up like once. Nothing.

4443
06:36:51,440 --> 06:36:57,960
So the fact that we already have this history and we have these neighbors showing up, I can

4444
06:36:57,960 --> 06:37:03,740
can argue for agricultural land use here, but I just think then we're just going to be

4445
06:37:03,740 --> 06:37:10,960
right back here hearing the exact same comments. It was not a good thing to do in 22 and then

4446
06:37:10,960 --> 06:37:17,360
redo in 24. That's just not really proving a track record. I'm just apt to deny and save

4447
06:37:17,360 --> 06:37:20,100
everybody's some heartache done.

4448
06:37:21,520 --> 06:37:22,820
Well, thank you.

4449
06:37:24,950 --> 06:37:30,370
Well, I understand what you're saying, but I think we're looking at stuff, we're trying

4450
06:37:30,370 --> 06:37:35,630
to figure out so that the unique of the land is that it's zoned agriculture, but it's

4451
06:37:35,630 --> 06:37:40,810
not able to be used as agriculture, which is where the part comes in that we're supposed

4452
06:37:40,810 --> 06:37:41,610
to be looking at.

4453
06:37:42,070 --> 06:37:49,280
So they can't use it for agriculture use because of various reasons, which is what we're supposed

4454
06:37:49,280 --> 06:37:55,400
would be kind of looking at. I mean, it's, to me, that is the problem. If it can't be used as

4455
06:37:55,400 --> 06:38:01,060
ag, but it's a zoned ag, and they can't use it as ag to get through the, so this is one of the

4456
06:38:01,060 --> 06:38:04,360
unique case-by-case situations we should be looking at.

4457
06:38:07,900 --> 06:38:11,440
I agree with the case-by-case basis, and

4458
06:38:11,440 --> 06:38:16,500
unfortunately, I don't think you can just disregard history. But also, I'm going to look at the history

4459
06:38:16,500 --> 06:38:19,760
that you just gave us on the outbound bar, and that it was a nonprofit, and people were putting

4460
06:38:19,760 --> 06:38:22,420
money for a special piece of property.

4461
06:38:23,280 --> 06:38:25,760
And so realistically this is going to get appealed.

4462
06:38:26,420 --> 06:38:31,720
I say just efficiency, we deny it and let it get appealed to the board of supervisors

4463
06:38:31,720 --> 06:38:36,200
and go from there if that's, that would be the way I would go forward with it.

4464
06:38:38,360 --> 06:38:38,480
Right.

4465
06:38:39,300 --> 06:38:39,860
You're realistic.

4466
06:38:40,500 --> 06:38:41,260
You're still waiting.

4467
06:38:41,380 --> 06:38:41,740
I'd like to go.

4468
06:38:41,960 --> 06:38:42,880
I'd like to go last.

4469
06:38:43,420 --> 06:38:44,580
Oh, okay.

4470
06:38:44,740 --> 06:38:45,200
It was worth it.

4471
06:38:45,280 --> 06:38:45,420
Try.

4472
06:38:45,420 --> 06:39:09,100
So I'm agreeing I really appreciate the points on efficiency because sometimes there's something to it and I understand the applicant's frustration because as I understood it, discussing this with the agents, they didn't realize they were going to be in this position of a recommendation for denial until some way down this path.

4473
06:39:09,100 --> 06:39:11,680
So I understand that's really frustrating.

4474
06:39:12,160 --> 06:39:14,820
I also understand staff can't really review

4475
06:39:14,820 --> 06:39:16,240
and make a recommendation.

4476
06:39:16,700 --> 06:39:20,640
It's all of the departments have looked at the application

4477
06:39:20,640 --> 06:39:22,760
and weighed in so it's not an easy one.

4478
06:39:23,260 --> 06:39:26,660
So I would also concur that going with the denial.

4479
06:39:27,000 --> 06:39:28,940
I was, as I mentioned on the commission

4480
06:39:28,940 --> 06:39:31,700
and voted for the sort of straight application

4481
06:39:31,700 --> 06:39:35,000
of the standards requiring the primary ag use.

4482
06:39:35,680 --> 06:39:38,160
And that would be very narrow exceptions

4483
06:39:38,160 --> 06:39:42,460
like the octagonal arm that had a lot of other things.

4484
06:39:42,740 --> 06:39:45,280
They're like nonprofit public benefit use,

4485
06:39:45,860 --> 06:39:49,620
and rehabilitation of historic structures

4486
06:39:49,960 --> 06:39:52,100
that we don't see any of on this site.

4487
06:39:54,080 --> 06:39:58,920
Thank you, and it's been a very interesting process

4488
06:39:58,920 --> 06:40:01,860
learning about the site, learning that it was subdivided

4489
06:40:01,860 --> 06:40:06,040
and that those tree groves that are between how we want to want

4490
06:40:06,040 --> 06:40:12,500
a Monty were at one point part of this property which would have given it a different flavor.

4491
06:40:14,420 --> 06:40:19,620
I actually spent a lot of time in the wedding industry and toured many of our rustic wedding

4492
06:40:19,620 --> 06:40:25,940
venues throughout the county and based on what I've seen and actually officiated a wedding in

4493
06:40:25,940 --> 06:40:33,620
your neighborhood. This one just doesn't have the feel of the others whether it's grazing land

4494
06:40:33,620 --> 06:40:37,140
and or walking through vineyards and active ag production.

4495
06:40:37,540 --> 06:40:40,100
So, sadly, I can't get there either.

4496
06:40:41,660 --> 06:40:44,600
And I appreciate everyone's time and staff

4497
06:40:44,600 --> 06:40:47,600
and applicants in helping to educate me on this.

4498
06:40:47,880 --> 06:40:50,020
But I believe we're ready for a motion.

4499
06:40:50,640 --> 06:40:53,860
And, Seth, would you mind putting the recommendation out please?

4500
06:40:55,660 --> 06:40:58,320
As the motion comes from someone,

4501
06:40:58,820 --> 06:41:01,920
I'd just like to add again that the applicants

4502
06:41:01,920 --> 06:41:07,220
have other pathways. We have seen some requests for general plant changes and zone changes

4503
06:41:07,220 --> 06:41:15,200
in this vicinity. So there are other avenues available. For this site or other sites, indeed we've

4504
06:41:15,200 --> 06:41:20,840
heard reference to other sites in this position that aren't agriculturally viable. You know, it's not

4505
06:41:20,840 --> 06:41:28,240
this pathway or none that maybe they might want to consider this own change option. If there's not

4506
06:41:28,240 --> 06:41:28,920
how the egg happening?

4507
06:41:31,260 --> 06:41:34,080
Before you make your, I just want to make one point.

4508
06:41:34,560 --> 06:41:37,260
So what we're looking at is these unique properties

4509
06:41:37,880 --> 06:41:40,420
that, which we just skipped over completely,

4510
06:41:40,940 --> 06:41:43,680
that are egg-zoned, that can't be used for egg purposes

4511
06:41:43,680 --> 06:41:45,220
and they're one, they can't, so therefore,

4512
06:41:45,340 --> 06:41:47,060
they don't have a use of secondary

4513
06:41:47,060 --> 06:41:48,500
because they never got a primary.

4514
06:41:49,680 --> 06:41:51,820
And we're talking about one applicant,

4515
06:41:52,620 --> 06:41:54,300
but this is gonna, you know, sit,

4516
06:41:55,020 --> 06:41:57,500
tones now are precedent, so now I come along

4517
06:41:57,500 --> 06:42:01,840
and I just want to do a different type of a venue that I have drunk people everywhere.

4518
06:42:02,620 --> 06:42:08,200
I'm getting declined. So just keep that in mind. That's what I'm looking at.

4519
06:42:08,580 --> 06:42:15,480
Well, I just say if you're in an ag zone, there's an assumption of some ag here. I mean,

4520
06:42:15,580 --> 06:42:23,660
this is for a point. And this parcel was subdivided, and the ag was split off as chair Lieberman

4521
06:42:23,660 --> 06:42:33,780
and suggested at some point, so the lot split there kind of created the situation of

4522
06:42:33,780 --> 06:42:36,980
the smaller ag parcel that was an ag viable.

4523
06:42:37,580 --> 06:42:39,620
And so maybe that's something for us to consider.

4524
06:42:39,800 --> 06:42:42,920
If we're looking at lot splits, I think we're going to see a lot split.

4525
06:42:43,320 --> 06:42:50,280
I think in agricultural zone, lot split, maybe at one of our next meetings, that we're creating

4526
06:42:50,280 --> 06:42:55,580
this position, this problem, in our lot slit.

4527
06:42:59,750 --> 06:43:03,510
Do we have a staff recommended motion there on the screen coming up?

4528
06:43:04,450 --> 06:43:06,870
I'll make it, if no one else is.

4529
06:43:07,330 --> 06:43:15,610
I move we deny the request for conditional use permit in DRC to 0240042 based on findings and

4530
06:43:15,610 --> 06:43:16,110
exhibiting.

4531
06:43:16,750 --> 06:43:17,350
I'll second.

4532
06:43:18,830 --> 06:43:19,510
Clerk.

4533
06:43:19,510 --> 06:43:19,630
Mr. Clerk.

4534
06:43:20,590 --> 06:43:21,410
Commissioner Wyatt?

4535
06:43:21,670 --> 06:43:22,630
Yep, Commissioner Lee-Rumin?

4536
06:43:23,370 --> 06:43:23,550
Yes.

4537
06:43:23,890 --> 06:43:25,110
Commissioner Beaconnett?

4538
06:43:25,750 --> 06:43:26,270
Yes.

4539
06:43:26,730 --> 06:43:27,570
Commissioner Shaw?

4540
06:43:28,410 --> 06:43:29,770
Yes, and Commissioner Adela.

4541
06:43:32,750 --> 06:43:36,470
Okay, thank you, everyone, for your participation on this item.

4542
06:43:37,010 --> 06:43:39,550
Just moving through the agenda towards wrapping this meeting.

4543
06:43:39,850 --> 06:43:40,830
Longest one in my history.

4544
06:43:41,850 --> 06:43:43,250
Do we have any correspondence, Clerk?

4545
06:43:45,230 --> 06:43:47,230
Yes, all the correspondence.

4546
06:43:47,410 --> 06:43:48,370
We'll be part of the record.

4547
06:43:48,570 --> 06:43:48,750
Correct.

4548
06:43:49,390 --> 06:43:50,890
Okay, would someone like to make a move?

4549
06:43:50,890 --> 06:43:51,330
No moved.

4550
06:43:52,330 --> 06:43:52,670
Second.

4551
06:43:53,150 --> 06:43:53,330
Second.

4552
06:43:56,830 --> 06:43:57,250
Okay.

4553
06:43:57,850 --> 06:43:59,730
The simple police vote is in order.

4554
06:43:59,870 --> 06:44:00,350
Aye.

4555
06:44:00,530 --> 06:44:01,310
We're adjourned.

4556
06:44:02,210 --> 06:44:03,370
Next adjourned.

4557
06:44:04,310 --> 06:44:05,250
Thank you.

4558
06:44:06,870 --> 06:44:09,410
Next meeting is March 26th.

4559
06:44:09,410 --> 06:44:09,570
Yes.

4560
06:44:10,690 --> 06:44:11,630
Till then.

4561
06:44:12,730 --> 06:44:13,370
March 12th.

4562
06:44:13,410 --> 06:44:13,530
Sorry.

4563
06:44:13,710 --> 06:44:14,290
March 12th.

4564
06:44:14,310 --> 06:44:16,190
March 12th.

4565
06:44:17,650 --> 06:44:19,110
26, 26 I'm gone.