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Sound check. Testing PC123.

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Sound check. Planning commission
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sound check.

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Good evening. It is 6:00 p.m. and I
would like to call to order the regular

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meeting of August 26, 2026.
Please join me for the pledge of

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allegiance.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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» Staff, may we have the roll call,
please?

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» Commissioner Chang,
>> present.

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» Commissioner Chow,
>> present.

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» Commissioner Giles,
>> present. Vice Chair Batnes

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» present
>> and Chair Mccay

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» present.
The agenda is posted 72 hours prior to

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each meeting at the following locations.
San Marino City Hall, the Croll Public

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Library, and the Stonewin Building. The
agenda is also posted on the city's

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website. The city welcomes public input.
At this time, the public may address the

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planning commission on items that are
not on the agenda. Pursuant to state

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law, the planning commission may not
discuss or take action on issues that

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are not on the meeting agenda. To ensure
that everyone, including those joining

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us remotely, are able to hear all
speakers clearly, please speak directly

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into the microphone, please note that
all comments are limited to 3 minutes

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and will be timed by city staff. And
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to explain how the public comment will
work for those individuals who are

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participating via Zoom or phone.
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be time for public comment. The city
will accept comments in three ways.

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First, we will take in-person comments
for each item. Please fill out a speaker

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card and turn it into me if you wish to
speak on an item. There will be a

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countdown timer displayed to help
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time to speak. Second, we will also
accept comments from our Zoom

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participants. To give a public comment
via Zoom, please utilize the raise hand

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function. When using this method, name
yourself so that your first and last

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name are reflected for the record. If
the comment is regarding a specific

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agenda item, please indicate which item.
Comments will be accepted only until the

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end of the public comment period for
that item. Staff will acknowledge

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individuals who have requested to make a
comment at the appropriate time. Third,

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I will then state the amount of public
comments we've received by email for a

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particular agenda item. Due to technical
limitations associated with gathering,

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printing, and sorting emailed public
comment, the city has instituted a 3pm

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cutoff the day of the meeting for
emailed public comments. This is to

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ensure there is sufficient time to
gather and provide the emailed comments

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to the planning commission. Any comments
received after the 3 p.m. deadline will

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be included in the public comment
record, but will not be provided to the

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planning commission during the meeting.
Thank you. Is there anyone present here

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who wishes to speak on an item that is
not on the agenda? If so, please come

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forward. State your name and your city
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And seeing none, staff, do we have any
public comments that are submitted

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electronically?
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» Thank you. Moving on to the public
hearing. Each commissioner has received

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plans and staff comments, reviewed every
item on the agenda, and had the

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opportunity to visit each site. The
general order for hearing each case

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tonight will be as follows. Staff will
discuss the case and provide background

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information and a recommendation.
Commissioners may ask questions of staff

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after the presentation. The applicant
will then present their project if they

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desire to do so. The commission may take
the opportunity to ask the applicant

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questions. The hearing will then open up
for public comment from both in-person

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and teleconference participants. At the
conclusion of public comment, the

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applicant will have a chance to respond
to the public comments, at which time

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the public comment portion of the
meeting will be closed. I will then ask

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for comments from each of the
commissioners for discussion. I will ask

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my fellow commissioners not to repeat
comments made by their fellow

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commissioners. Uh commissioners may then
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the project.
In the event of a denial, it is hoped

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that the applicant will have heard the
comments made during the public comment

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period and during deliberation that will
be useful in resubmitting an

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application. It's also important to
understand there's a 15-day appeal

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period after an action has been taken
for the applicant or any interested

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party to request the city council to
review and act on the case. So, we'll

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move to item number one on the agenda
and staff. Who will be presenting item

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number one?
>> This is assistant planner Aubrey Stark

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Miller speaking for the record and I
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applicant is proposing a 135 square ft
pool house accessory structure with a

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bathroom in the rear yard of the
residence at 1045 San Marino Drive. The

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addition of a bathroom to an accessory
structure requires a conditional use

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permit. Staff has made all four findings
for this project. Staff's recommendation

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is to approve the project. This
concludes staff's report. Staff is

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available to answer any questions. The
applicant is qu is present as well.

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» Thank you very much. Is there any
commissioner who has a question for

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staff?

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» I basically just want to follow up my
email because I had uh communicated with

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staff ahead of time. I pointed out um a
few things I think that should be

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corrected in for the record. Uh one is
on page five. Uh staff noted in this in

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the original staff report. I don't know
if uh staff had revised it or not that

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the zoning
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district six but it should be district
two. Is that correct?

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» Yes, it is district two. Um, as noted in
email correspondence, all of the

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documents, it's been note all the the
changes have been noted. Um, and so the

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the documents that were released um
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all of the documents for
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» Right. If I may just want to go through
these because I think uh if uh

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ultimately if a motion um the we'll make
a motion I think it should be noted with

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the corrections and the page number nine
the um in terms of squa uh it should be

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15303
class 3 and staff had um um also

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reviewed that. And also on page 17,
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the same consistent um
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3. So um that is just to um seek
clarification. And I do have um one

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question. I'm not sure if this is a
question. So um we were the commission

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was not granted access to um go to the
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So um so we were provided with photos
which is very helpful but still you know

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it's we were not able to to really go
there. I I I find it u of course uh I'm

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not able to really go to the property
and understand the relationship of the

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proposed structure to the adjoining
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um like the setback. Of course, we're
going to rely rely on the plan which is

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um incompliant uh 12T side and rear
setbacks and um also um is there a a

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certain distance that um from the
structure proposed structure to the pool

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that should be kept for safety? Is there
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There is no uh zoning requirement.
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specific uh setback between any
structure or accessory structure to a

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pool but not in our city. So we rely on
the building code. Um so this will uh

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like any other project have to go
through plan check and it would have to

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comply with all of the building code
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» Okay. Uh in regards to the access to the
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um this actually has been discussed
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DRC. There is no requirement um to have
access to the property. Obviously, we do

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our best to coordinate and uh I think
all of you will attest that the majority

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of the uh 99 out of 100 times the
applicant will provide access to the

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property. In this case, I'm not sure
what the what the issue was. You can ask

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the applicant, but in terms of the
ability to move forward, the commission

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has the ability to do so based on the
plans. Um, obviously the pictures were

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helpful. Um but in in terms of a of
access again it's not a requirement but

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obviously it's something that um this
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like to do and we do our best to
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» Right. Thank you for that. And I I
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requirement is also not legally
required. But I certainly I just want to

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point out uh to to note [clears throat]
that uh I was not able to visit the

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site. I like that to be on the record.
So uh of course so I think I would just

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like to emphasize the importance that uh
the staff um pay extra uh focus and uh

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goes with the applicant as well. just to
make sure that everything follows the

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plans because that's all we have going
on in order to form our opinions and in

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of course with staff's uh recommended
findings. Thank you.

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» Okay. Does the applicant or the
applicant's representative wish to

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comment on the proposal for a maximum of
five minutes? If so, please come

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forward. State your name and address for
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Uh

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uh we we will just uh build it uh
swimming pool swimming pool house at the

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real yard. Uh
we put this uh swimming pool uh house

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and uh inside have is a bathroom and the
laundry room. Laundry room just for it's

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uh before this is a swimming pool is a
living

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uh main house so far. So every time just
uh after swimming pool a lot of water is

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coming to main house it's a flow. So
I'm going to just think about a one that

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just make it a small one. Put it back
maybe easy clear just

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» is that complete your presentation sir.
>> Excuse me.

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» Uh were you were you finished or did you
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» Yeah, I'm finished. Yeah.
>> Okay. Wonderful. Thank you. Um do any of

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the commissioners have a question for
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Very well. Thank you very much.
>> Thank you.

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» Okay. I'll now open up this item for
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» Yeah. Um
>> Oh, sorry. I'm sorry. [laughter]

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Um for public comment, does any member
of the public wish to speak on this

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item? I'm sorry. If so, please state
your name. Come forward. Seeing none,

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staff, do we have any public comment
requests submitted electronically?

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» No, we do not.
>> Okay. Thank you. Um, so at this time

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I'll close public comment, bring the
item back to the committee for

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discussion. Um, and I'll start with
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» Yeah, I think the addition of the bath
the restroom and I guess laundry room is

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pretty modest and um, given the

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sighting location, I can make the
findings of of compatibility um,

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and the
that there wouldn't be any detrimental

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effect uh to the development of nearby
uses building and that the um proposed

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uh improvement would not um impact any
uh traffic or uh that there's adequate

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u street that the sorry circulation
right so I can make the findings and I

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support the project.
Thank you. Uh, Vice Chair Batnes.

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» Uh, yes. Um, this it would have been
nice to have been on the site, um, as

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was mentioned earlier, but, um, I
part of the reason why it would have

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been so nice is that the the images
online are four years dated. Um, so it's

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hard to know, but passing by I was able
to see a little bit. Not much, but um,

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based on what I was able to see, I
support the project. It seems very

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modest. Um, I can understand the need
for this. Um given that that this ranch

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house is set
uh set back far away from the pool and

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it it is a very uh uh a very small
accessory structure and um there's

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adequate set setbacks. Um
so that's all I have to say. I unless

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someone else uh has any um uh comments
that might be uh maybe they know the

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house better or somehow know the um the
the situation of this particular

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property better. Um I could support
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» Thank you, Commissioner Chow.
>> Thank you, Chair. I can also support the

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project and um if we were to uh approve
the project and I I do like to uh just

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add note the uh squa and zoning
correction. That's all.

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» Thank you, Commissioner Giles.
>> Uh sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

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Um I think generally the project's fine.
I have a couple of concerns. Um the

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plans we got had white out on the
dimensions and if I look at the

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dimensions and I add the dimensions
they're more than what is indicated on

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the plan which seems to me like we
wouldn't meet the setback requirement on

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the on the rear yard. Uh I also noticed
from the photos and from the aerial

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there's a very large planter uh just
adjacent to the structure and

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it's never scale plans but it looks like
this structure actually sits on the

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wall. Um which means if it had to move
it wouldn't meet the sideyard setback.

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So I know I I reached out earlier and
had some questions for for staff as

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well. Um, they said they've been working
with the applicant on this to kind of

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get to a plan, but I I'm not confident
that it fits and I don't know. There's

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not enough information on the plans to
show me that it fits and when they

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actually go to construct it, it's going
to be closer to the setback than what is

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indicated on the plan.
So, could I ask you if because you

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didn't bring it up with the applicant,
um, could I ask you if you know any

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questions toward the applicant would
assuage any of your concerns or not?

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» I would just ask the I mean, I'm I
generally I'm okay with it. It's not a

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huge structure. It's 135 feet. I
understand the need. It more comes from

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if they build it and it doesn't comply.
>> Uh, chair. So,

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» if I may also just make a a comment. I
did I was also concerned um about the uh

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the plans having white out on them
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uh you know we need to know what the
actual um we need to make sure that the

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approved plans or plans need to if if
the plans need to be changed or if they

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are approved that they have the correct
numbers. I was assuming that the numbers

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that have been added uh as white out are
correct, but I also couldn't quite tell.

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I tried to make a scale and I just was
under the assumption that it did that it

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must fit because maybe my skill uh
skills of making scale are not really

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perfect. But um I was also concerned
about that. That's all I wanted to say.

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I just, you know, I mean, there's a
there's a dimension on the existing plan

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of 10 foot to to basically the existing
concrete line and then they've wided out

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and said it's 11 foot something. So
that's actually moved it one foot closer

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back.
>> Commissioner Giles, could you please

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state the um page of the plans for the
record so that we have a clear

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» age A1 uh construction area plan?

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you happen to know. Um, I'm actually
very happy that you brought this up

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because that is something I wanted to
check but I got distracted checking

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everything else. So, in the PDF file,
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Is it does it just say 12?
>> I don't recall from the PDF file what it

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said. I was looking at the plans.
>> Okay, just the plans.

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But mine is Oh, I see.

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And and then if you look at the point
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pool to to the
>> I think in the future we should maybe

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perhaps direct some questions to
>> applicant and staff when we've had that

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opportunity. So I would just ask
director is it possible to um reopen the

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portion of the meeting where we can ask
>> staff some questions about the

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» you can ask staff now the questions but
if you want to re-engage with the

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applicant you would have to reopen the
post. You did not want to re-engage with

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the applicant. Correct. I
>> I'm more I'm more than happy to have a

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conversation with the applicant. I'm
>> perhaps maybe it makes sense to speak

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with staff first and see what staff's
understanding is of page A1 and the

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issues that are being brought
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brought out right now. So, the required
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yard as shown um on the digital plans.
the um if the project were to go through

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plan check, it would be required per a
setback survey to confirm that it would

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meet those requirements. And as the
director had mentioned, there is not a

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specific um requirement of a setback
between the accessory structure and the

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swimming pool. So if it were to be the
distance were be to revised between the

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swimming pool and the accessory
structure um that would be done during

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plan check and the plans would be to
ensure at the very minimum that the

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12oot setback from the rear and sideyard
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» And hearing that Commissioner Giles,
does that assuage your concern?

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» Uh that's fine for me. I want to make
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potentially it could be closer to the
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So, as long as they're okay, I'm okay.
>> Um, can we open the public comment

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portion?
I would like to. Yes. Um, we're going

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» we'll reopen the public hearing at this
time and I'd like to ask the applicant

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to come forward if you would please,
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Um sir, did you hear the comments that
were made by my fellow commissioners?

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» Which one?
>> Oh, Commissioner Jiles, could you

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please?
>> So, on on the plans that we received,

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there were some dimensions for locating
of the the the restroom and the laundry

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building. My concern is that those
numbers are I'm not sure those numbers

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are 100%.
>> Not true. It's very true. 100%.

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» So there is a potential per staff when
>> you go to lay it out that the structure

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may move closer to the pool. Are you
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» Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
>> Okay.

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» Thank you.
>> Thank you, sir. Are Commissioner Giles,

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are you satisfied with that?
>> Can I bring up one other Can I guess

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» hope it's not going to
>> No, does it doesn't impact um Yeah, I

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will ask the I will have the applicant
come back. Kipper for one more question.

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» Sir, if you could come back. [laughter]

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» Um there there's nothing on the plans
that they indicate um stucco and they

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indicate roof material. My understanding
is that this has to match the existing

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house. So that the stucco, roof,
windows, lighting should all match the

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existing house.
>> Yeah. All is 100% match.

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» Okay.
>> Yeah. All sty all this is lifestyle same

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one.
>> Okay.

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» Yeah.
>> I'm good. Thank you.

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» Thank you very much.
>> Thank you sir. We'll close the public

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portion of the meeting again. I
>> I believe those

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» was in
>> Yeah. page 82 I believe has that

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information
>> for the record.

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» Yeah.
Um [clears throat] I I did see it there.

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Okay. So, we're bringing this back to
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unless any of the other commissioners
have any comments, um, I am able to make

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the findings for the conditional use
permit, which are the unique findings

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set forth in the staff
uh, report. So, is anybody prepared to

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make a motion?
>> I'll make a motion.

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So I move to adopt resolution number
PCR26-09

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approving conditional use permit number
CUP25-07

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at 1045 San Marino Avenue uh with the
corrections

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regarding SQA and zoning identified by
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» I'll second the motion.
Thank you very much. Staff, could we

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have a roll call, please?
>> Commissioner Chang,

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» yes.
>> Commissioner Chow,

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» yes.
>> Commissioner Giles,

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» yes.
>> Vice Chair Batnes,

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» yes.
>> And Chair McKay,

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» yes.
>> Motion carries 5-0.

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» Thank you very much.
We'll move on to uh agenda item number

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two.
And staff, who will be presenting agenda

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item number two?

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Thank you, Chair McKay. This is
Assistant Planner Ariel Trong speaking

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for the record and for item number two.
The applicant proposes facade changes

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and the construction of a new 820
square foot second story above the

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existing one-story home located at 1458
Hampton Road. Because the project

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involves the addition of a new second
story to a one-story home as well as

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facade changes visible from the street.
The project requires design review. The

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project also includes an interior
remodel of the main residence, a new

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detached twocar garage, an attached
onecar garage, a rear trellis,

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mechanical equipment, front and rear
yard heartscape modifications,

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uh reconfiguration of the swimming pool,
basement expansion, and the replacement

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of the roof. These components are not
subject to design review and are

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therefore not within the planning
commission's perview as part of this

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application.
All four required design review findings

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apply to the new second story and the
facade changes associated with the

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transition of the residence from the
ranch architectural style to the minimal

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traditional architectural style. Uh as
described in the staff report, staff

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made all four applicable findings for
the project.

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Staff did receive one letter in
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the project. Both of which were included
in the agenda packet. Staff subsequently

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received one additional letter of
support which was placed on the dis for

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the commission's review. Staff's
recommendation is to approve the

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project. This concludes staff's report.
Staff is available to answer uh any

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commission members questions and the
applicant uh is present as well. Thank

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you. Thank you very much.
>> I also believe the letter that's on the

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dis was also emailed to the planning
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» Thank you, director. Does the applicant
or the applicant's representative wish

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to comment? Pardon? Oh. Oh, yeah. Do we
Does anybody have any questions for

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staff?
>> Oh, okay. Commissioner Chow.

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» Okay. So, um same thing. I just want to
follow up on make some clarification and

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would like to have that noted uh if we
were to uh move forward. So I um I

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pointed out I see I saw a discrepancy
um between the plans and the staff

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report of the the ridge height. So um in
the PD in the staff report the ridge

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height was noted as 118 ft and 11 in.
However, on the plan was noted uh I

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believe uh like an inch off. So um so
staff had um note also made note of that

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reviewed and make that correction. So it
should be 118 ft and 11 in. Is that

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correct?
118 and 11.

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So um for the record it would be 118 ft
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per the datim um with the new proposed
ridge height being 120 ft 3 in uh for

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the datim.
>> Okay, thanks for your clarification.

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And um my next uh question is that
let me just get my note. Uh I also

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emailed staff ahead of time because uh
upon visiting the job site I noticed

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that the privacy screening uh vegetation
is really not in the control of the

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applicant is all there's there's really
nothing for privacy screening on the

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applicant's uh rear property line. So,
it's all related. It's all on the the

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adjoining uh rear neighbors um
property. So, uh, I asked staff and, uh,

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we can confirm with with the applicant
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um, if the commission were inclined to
add a condition for Evergreen um,

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privacy screening along the rear of the
property. Does staff know that whe

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whether the applicant would be open to
considering that?

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» Yes. So I did discuss um that particular
concern with the applicant um and they

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are open to exploring that petition that
potential uh condition of approval.

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» Thank you. And since it potentially
could come up, um you can approve and

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make the finding for privacy if the
landscaping if you feel that the

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landscaping is required and needs to be
kept in perpetuity and include that as a

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condition of approval so that it carries
with the property and not with the

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property owner. So therefore any any
property owner that that uh carries out

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that property has to maintain that
particular landscaping feature to uh

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conserve the privacy in order for you to
make that finding. So I'm glad you

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brought that up because I've made that
clarification before the planning

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commission and so it's it's a means that
you have available.

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» Thank you.
>> Thank you. Does any other questions for

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staff from the commissioners?
Okay, seeing none, now does the

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applicant or the applicant's
representative wish to comment on the

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proposal for a maximum of five minutes?
Please come forward if so. State your

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name and address for the record.
>> Good evening. I'm Steve Dah with Doll

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Architects. We're in South Pasadena,
California, just adjacent. Uh we're the

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architects for the applicant. With me
tonight is also Gavin Fitch, our project

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manager. He's got his laptop in case we
need to check any full scale dimensions

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or anything. Uh representative the owner
is Zint for the homeowner Celia who's

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out of town. And then there's a neighbor
George. I'm sure he'll introduce himself

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later. Do you want to hand these out? We
have some nice colored 3D renderings we

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want to hand out to you. It's always
helpful. I know the drawings are tough

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for some people to visualize. We've got
enough for staff, too. So, you can all

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use these as place mats later or
something. um really helps to kind of

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visualize what we're proposing. Um we
love this street and uh we we have also

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uh looked at all the letters uh both in
support and concern from the neighbors.

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So what you have in front of you is is
really uh a proposed one-story home or

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let's call it story and a half. It's a
one-story looking home with some dormer

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windows on the front. So, uh, right
across the street is an existing home

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with the dormer windows you guys went to
the site and saw. And then in the legal

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neighborhood, there's several other
two-story homes. So, we want to make

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sure we're compatible with the
neighborhood and everything blends in.

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Um, there's some other great
improvements on this project. Um, thank

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you to Ariel, uh, who has been very
tough and we've worked out a lot of

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details so you don't have to tonight.
Um, for instance, there was way too much

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uh hard uh escape uh paving in the front
yard from previous owners. So, we're

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going to get rid of that and have a lot
more landscaping. And um uh Commissioner

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Chow, for one of your concerns earlier
in the landscaping, isn't it great that

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the neighbor to the rear has all that
landscaping? But if you look at the

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packet sheet 35 of 119, quite a packet
or our sheet A-1c,

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you'll see that we are proposing
landscaping in the rear just for what

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you've asked about. So um Ariel uh in
anticipation of that to to do the right

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thing and provide privacy has already
had us put that into the set. So thank

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you for bringing that up. It's great
that we have kind of a belt and

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suspender system. We'll have landscaping
of the neighbors and also in our yard

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both. So something will will remain uh
for per perpetuity as as your planning

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director mentioned. So we have good
privacy between um uh this is a great

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design and and you can see the
renderings how everything blends in. Uh

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by removing part of the existing rear of
the home and also the garage and then

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consolidating with the home itself, you
have more open space, more landscape

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available around. Um, there was another
commissioner that that brought up

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earlier, I think, to staff today, uh,
wondering about the garage situation.

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And by, uh, removing one of the threecar
garages on the detached garage and

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attaching it into the home, again, we're
opening up the site. And we're also for

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the homeowner concern, if she comes home
late at night, she can drive in, close

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the garage door, and be within the home
for complete security. We have other

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clients up in Sierra that have bears. We
don't have bears here, but you just for

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her safe uh uh peace of mind, that's why
one of the garages is now part of the

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home. And so that's actually um taking
remodeling some of the existing home. Um

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Gavin, is there anything you wanted to
add within our five minutes or Zenta? I

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welcome and and of course we want to uh
answer any questions you might have as

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well.
>> Has nothing. Zint, do you have anything?

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Okay.
Did you want to? No, we're good. So, if

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you have any questions, we're here to
answer those.

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» Thank you very much. Do any of the
commissioners have questions for the

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applicant's representative?
>> Yes.

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» Commissioner Giles.
>> Um, so you noted you're demolishing the

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garage. Found it odd, but that's your
choice. Um, and you you talk about

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landscaping and yet, um, just noting
that you're putting back an awful lot of

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concrete in the back. So, you're not
actually gaining that much landscaping.

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You're getting a lot of heartscape. Um
wondering why I'm struggling with the

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new massing. Um I visited the property.
I did not get make it to the rear of the

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property. I drove the neighborhood a
couple of times. Um I'm struggling with

416
00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:52,480
the massing. I'm struggling in the
changes to the roof. Um particularly the

417
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:55,599
fact that almost all the homes on this
side of the street um and pretty much

418
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,079
the other sides except for I'm not
counting the twotory one across the

419
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:02,480
street because I don't think it's a
great example. Um most of them have

420
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:07,920
hipped roofs
um all the way around and you've stuck a

421
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:12,560
very two large very large gables that
are now 8 and 12 versus kind of six and

422
00:40:10,079 --> 00:40:16,560
12. I'm just wondering if if you looked
at at keeping the hip nature because

423
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:22,079
most of the homes in the in the
neighborhood all have hip roofs. Not

424
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:26,320
there's I think the one at Houston
has a gable. I think the one down on

425
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:31,040
Monterey has a gable. Maybe a few other
ones, but those also tend to be very low

426
00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:36,560
gables versus these at 8 and 12 are
suddenly a lot more prominent.

427
00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:41,040
» That that's a very good question. Um the
existing home does have the um hip

428
00:40:39,119 --> 00:40:46,079
instead of the gable. And then again
working with aerial and on the style

429
00:40:43,599 --> 00:40:51,040
change from ranch to the min minimal
traditional. The minimal traditional has

430
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:56,319
more of the gables than the the hip. And
so and per the San Marino design review

431
00:40:53,680 --> 00:41:01,200
code, you really need to stick to the
exact kind of constraints of those

432
00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:05,359
different styles. But it it's just kind
of a fluke in the code. I kind of agree

433
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:10,079
with you that that maybe the hips could
could lower the the sense of this and so

434
00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:12,960
I'm sure that that we could be open to
that. We're just trying to stick to the

435
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:18,800
letter of the law with the design
review. Interesting, isn't that?

436
00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:23,040
» Um okay. Um the other thing that I
noticed and it it shows up a little bit

437
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:28,560
in this rendering and it actually showed
up in some of the isometrics is and and

438
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:34,960
I asked staff earlier about story
pulling the chimney. Um, right now the

439
00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:39,680
chimney is fairly low, has a pretty good
proportion to it. Uh, you're proposing a

440
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:44,319
new fire, a brand new fireplace if I'm
correct for this. So,

441
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:48,079
I'm not sure code is that allowed to be
wood burning or even gas or is it going

442
00:41:46,319 --> 00:41:51,760
to be electric?
>> These days in the state of California,

443
00:41:49,839 --> 00:41:56,000
unless you're rebuilding Aladena, which
we're doing homes for, um, you cannot do

444
00:41:54,000 --> 00:42:00,480
a wood burning stove inside a home.
>> Right. So, I'm that I can't remember

445
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:05,920
what the height of that chimney is.
>> And you'll see on sheet A-4B,

446
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:11,760
uh there's a side elevation, and it
shows the chimney is 2 feet above the

447
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:15,599
closest roof. Uh by building code, a
chimney is supposed to be 2 feet above

448
00:42:13,359 --> 00:42:20,720
any roof within 10 ft. But as you said,
without the wood burning, that's kind of

449
00:42:17,359 --> 00:42:24,880
a moot point. Uh so, this is showing a
traditional fireplace, but it can't be

450
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:28,880
wood burning. So it could be lowered
because it's not wood burning.

451
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:33,839
» Yeah. And so what led me is is there's
got to be if you're gonna be

452
00:42:31,359 --> 00:42:38,560
» gas log. It's all sealed boxes these
days. So sad to get in.

453
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:41,920
» So my only concern was if it was going
to be actually this tall, there's going

454
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:46,640
to be some sort of bracing, some sort of
detail that actually supports that

455
00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:50,480
fireplace if it is truly that tall or
does it get lowered because it doesn't

456
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:57,760
need to be 2 and 10? It's something
something to to look at. And then um I'm

457
00:42:55,200 --> 00:43:03,359
struggling with the the dormers a little
bit and I don't know if there was during

458
00:42:59,599 --> 00:43:09,680
the process did you look at a condition
um where it it seems um and I need to

459
00:43:07,839 --> 00:43:14,000
not let my training get in the way but
it seems like you could have fit

460
00:43:11,599 --> 00:43:18,480
everything under the front roof without
having the dormers. Um

461
00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:24,560
» well no the the main reason for the
dormers and you'll see that in the

462
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:29,119
section um and we have uh two sections A
and B

463
00:43:25,839 --> 00:43:35,040
» on sheet A-4D
uh the stairwell um is in the southern

464
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:40,160
dormer and we there's no way to get the
head height we need to to have that uh

465
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:44,240
without that front dormer and so that's
why and as you see also in the section

466
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:48,160
the the bedrooms we've shifted to the
rear so the main mass passing is to the

467
00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:51,440
rear to lessen to the front. So, it's
not the bedrooms, but it's the

468
00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:54,720
stairwell.
>> So, the stairwell, yes, I understand

469
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:57,119
that. But the the closet,
>> you could you've got plenty of room to

470
00:43:56,240 --> 00:44:00,880
to do a
>> So, we we were going for the the

471
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:05,599
cemetery on the front with the two
dormers. Uh we tried say a single one,

472
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:10,000
it just uh although there is across the
street, but you said it's not a great

473
00:44:07,839 --> 00:44:15,720
example across the street with a single
dormer.

474
00:44:11,599 --> 00:44:15,720
Okay. So,

475
00:44:21,359 --> 00:44:27,680
I have a question. Oh,
>> um, so following on Commissioner

476
00:44:25,119 --> 00:44:31,760
Giles's, uh, comment about the dormers,
um,

477
00:44:29,359 --> 00:44:35,280
I also have a concern on that. So,
you're going for a minimal traditional

478
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:40,720
architectural style, but wouldn't you
agree that dormers are rarely included

479
00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:44,480
in the minimal traditional?
>> No, I would not agree.

480
00:44:42,319 --> 00:44:48,960
» You would not agree. No.
>> Okay.

481
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:51,960
Any other questions for the applicants
representative?

482
00:44:53,839 --> 00:45:03,359
» I guess I do have a question. Um, so I
also uh wrote uh to the staff earlier

483
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:09,200
today about the um dormer size um
because I'm concerned that it is that

484
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:14,720
they are um
well my question was about measurements

485
00:45:11,839 --> 00:45:19,359
and how much they the size of the
dormers and how much they project out

486
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:23,839
and how just basically the sizes and
because they're I couldn't tell exactly

487
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:28,000
how much they projected out. There are
some measurements that are useful that

488
00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:35,599
gave me some sense of the size but I
wasn't able to really understand exactly

489
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:42,079
and visually from the um
from the um

490
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:47,280
pictures like this that we received um
they do seem to be more prominent than

491
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:52,480
some of the others um that I've seen but
it's difficult to tell and looking at

492
00:45:50,240 --> 00:45:58,480
the fact that the two dormers existing
one of the dormers is for a walk-in

493
00:45:55,359 --> 00:46:03,520
closet which obviously can be modified.
Um, and the other one is for the stair

494
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:09,920
stairwell. Um, I understand that
stairwells it's pleasant for them to be

495
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:14,560
sizable and have adequate room for for
for

496
00:46:11,599 --> 00:46:21,599
its purposed, but it does seem like
those could be

497
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:28,560
uh made um a little bit smaller and that
that might help this um quite a bit. I

498
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:33,280
also um
that that's really the comment. I'm

499
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:40,480
would like to ask you if there are
really any real obstacles to reducing

500
00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:45,599
the dormer for the stairwell because you
have it now um like in the width I think

501
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:52,960
you have I believe I wrote it down
earlier but um I think it's

502
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:57,359
um 8 feet wide. Is that right? I don't I
wish

503
00:46:54,400 --> 00:47:05,760
» I can I can find my notes, but it seemed
like there was room for that to be

504
00:46:59,599 --> 00:47:12,880
smaller both in depth and in width.
So, the stairwell on the inside is 7

505
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:18,240
foot n so that we have about 3'6 or so
on both sides and then the center um

506
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:22,880
portion and the railing. So, it's it's
already pretty minimal. Um, and for

507
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:30,720
people in furniture, that's the only way
to get up and down. So, it Yeah. Right.

508
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:35,440
I mean, I think I think code is is 3 ft,
but I understand that we're looking for

509
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:40,160
a comfortable situation. I'm just um
asking also in terms of the depth

510
00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:46,480
perhaps with the number of stairs that
you have, which I counted and kind of

511
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:51,359
was um trying to figure out how much
room that would take. It seemed like

512
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:59,040
there was some leeway for that to result
in a smaller dormer. And I'm asking you

513
00:47:54,880 --> 00:48:02,640
if you uh looked into that and the
possibility of trying to make those

514
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:08,040
dormers
um smaller in whatever way

515
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:15,280
» for for the stale for the stairwell in
particular because obviously the walk-in

516
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:18,160
closet is a more flexible
situation.

517
00:48:16,079 --> 00:48:24,079
» It's a good question and and let's go
look at sheet A-4D.

518
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:29,119
Uh there's two sections A and B. And so
in the bottom of the sheet is section B,

519
00:48:27,119 --> 00:48:33,760
and that cuts um right through the
stairwell that goes up through the

520
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:36,240
dormer. And and we've just reduced it
down in every direction.

521
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:43,359
» What page are you on?
>> Um sheet A-4D.

522
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:51,920
So in your packet, that's page 49 of 119
or sheet A4- D. D is in David.

523
00:48:48,319 --> 00:48:55,160
I was referring to A-3B
for my

524
00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:07,680
Yes, that's that's a uh second floor
floor plan. And what I'm referring to on

525
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:13,280
the other sheet is a section through
that stair um that that shows how it

526
00:49:11,119 --> 00:49:19,200
works also. But yeah, both are
irrelevant. So on sheet A4-D

527
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:25,040
you'll see the head height uh clearance
is right at the hallway. Uh we've done

528
00:49:21,839 --> 00:49:31,440
the maximum number of stairs. I mean it
it's it's very tight. I

529
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:37,839
» I mean again like you know you have
hallway and walk-in closet that are

530
00:49:34,720 --> 00:49:44,720
adjacent to those stairs. So, I'm would
like to ask if there is some

531
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:50,800
way to adjust those
those. The hallway doesn't can't shrink.

532
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:55,760
The walk-in closet, of course, is is
flexible, obviously. I can't uh uh put

533
00:49:54,559 --> 00:49:59,480
my foot down on that.
>> Okay. Thank you.

534
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:07,599
» Commissioner uh Giles brought up an
interesting thought about gables versus

535
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:12,240
hips. um about the two main uh roof
lines. If those two dormers were hipped

536
00:50:10,240 --> 00:50:16,559
instead of gabled, it could really
reduce the massing. It gets down to the

537
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:20,559
design review guidelines, but those are
interpretive. We tried to stick to the

538
00:50:18,319 --> 00:50:24,720
letter law and do dormers, but um
gables, but if those were hip, that

539
00:50:22,319 --> 00:50:27,359
could make a big difference. Just
saying. Try to be helpful here.

540
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:31,440
» Thank you.
>> Yeah. Thank you.

541
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:34,240
» Do any other commissioners have any
questions for the applicant's

542
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:41,520
representative?
Yes, I have um a follow-up question and

543
00:50:37,359 --> 00:50:48,880
also um a new question. So um I think
that uh do you currently have two AC

544
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:52,160
units or HVAC units along the property
line?

545
00:50:50,240 --> 00:50:54,800
» The the existing home right now?
>> Yes.

546
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,240
» I I I'm not sure.
>> There are two.

547
00:50:55,280 --> 00:51:02,079
» There are two. Yes.
>> Okay. And but uh you're proposing

548
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:05,440
eventually you only have one unit
>> or do you still have two?

549
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:08,880
» Just showing one the the [clears throat]
upstairs minimal could be a separate

550
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:14,319
zone on the one system.
>> Okay. Because uh in the staff report and

551
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:16,400
also on the plans there one shows one
one shows two. I just want to make sure.

552
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:22,400
So
>> okay thank you. So just one um

553
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:30,240
ultimately. So I do want to get back to
uh finding number two which is the um

554
00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:34,559
because the other ones my fellow
commission commissioners had had

555
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:39,839
conversation with your discussion. I do
want to get back to the the privacy

556
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:44,000
which is uh finding number two um the
proposed structures designed with

557
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:51,040
development with manner of balance of
reasonable exploitation of privacy. So

558
00:51:46,559 --> 00:51:54,960
the the the two items or the two um
contributors so to speak in this one is

559
00:51:53,680 --> 00:52:02,000
the okay
>> 50 ft for so I think that separation the

560
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:10,800
distance it's it's one factor uh yes we
can consider that as a pro uh privacy um

561
00:52:06,720 --> 00:52:16,720
factor is it far enough so but in in the
meantime like I pointed out before the

562
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:21,839
um the distance separation alone phone
doesn't really um mean that it's it's a

563
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:27,760
guarantee of privacy. The other factor
is the landscaping. So you um you said

564
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:33,440
that you actually have a landscaping
plans installed. Uh if I look at your

565
00:52:30,319 --> 00:52:37,599
photo, can you just can you just um
describe a little bit of what you're

566
00:52:36,319 --> 00:52:43,680
proposing in?
>> Yes. If you look at sheet A-1C,

567
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:51,280
we're showing and and specifying what
the tree planting schedule is. There'll

568
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:58,160
be 1 2 3 4 five six uh trees put in. Um
and it specified the trees on there.

569
00:52:54,960 --> 00:53:03,280
It's a dwarf. Um and boy, this is a
great Latin name.

570
00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:09,280
» Arborvite. Thank you. And mature height
is 18 feet and the drip line radius is 7

571
00:53:06,559 --> 00:53:13,680
feet. And this is a privacy tree uh
blocking adding to the the the neighbors

572
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:17,440
privacy screen is already completely
adequate. So this is in addition to

573
00:53:15,599 --> 00:53:22,480
that. So we have on both sides of the
fence.

574
00:53:18,079 --> 00:53:27,599
» So these proposed trees are they between
are they just lined up in the along the

575
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:29,119
rear property and between the pool and
the wall.

576
00:53:28,319 --> 00:53:32,319
» Correct.
>> And there is no issue planting them.

577
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,760
They they will do well.
>> Yes.

578
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:38,480
» In your estimation?
>> Yes.

579
00:53:34,319 --> 00:53:41,680
» Okay. All right. Thank you. Thank you.
>> Are there any other questions for the

580
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:44,400
applicants representative?
>> Uh yes, I have. Chair,

581
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:50,480
» vice chair.
>> Thank you. Um I'd also like to ask about

582
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:54,079
the um the roof. Um I noticed in the
plans

583
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:58,480
it's perhaps a discrepancy, but perhaps
it is correct. And I just want to

584
00:53:55,520 --> 00:54:05,280
understand in many areas it's listed as
that the proposed roofing material is

585
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:10,280
seed cedar um simulated shake but then
um in another place it says

586
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:18,880
um lightweight concrete tiles and it it
says seedor to match existing as if

587
00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:22,079
there's already seedor. It's confusing
and I just wanted to ask about the

588
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:26,720
roofing material that's proposed for the
entire structure.

589
00:54:24,559 --> 00:54:31,040
Are we able to match the existing
roofing?

590
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:34,720
» Yes. So, uh, I'm sorry.
>> Yeah, [laughter]

591
00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:36,880
» he's gonna speak into the microphone.
>> Sorry.

592
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:40,640
» And identify yourself.
>> Hello, my name is Gavin Fitch. I work

593
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:48,079
with Doll Architects. I'm the project
manager for this property. Um, so for

594
00:54:44,079 --> 00:54:56,400
the architectural sheet, A-4E
has the full list of materials shown.

595
00:54:51,680 --> 00:55:01,440
Um, and then item number D on that list
calls out the proposed roofing material,

596
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:05,839
which is the Cedar Walden synthetic
roofing product, which is a pre-approved

597
00:55:03,359 --> 00:55:08,960
San Marino roofing material. And, uh,
the color of choice for that product is

598
00:55:07,359 --> 00:55:16,480
Walden.
um for the existing roof material. Um

599
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:21,599
some portions of it are that which is
why we are our goal is to take the

600
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:26,720
existing material and match it with the
new ones because there is technically

601
00:55:23,359 --> 00:55:31,040
more overall roof material uh we would
like to take the existing and then blend

602
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:36,480
that with the new for the proposed
overall because we want to maintain what

603
00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:41,520
there is for the roof material. So wait,
the existing roof material is there's no

604
00:55:39,599 --> 00:55:46,400
cedar on it, is there?
>> There's a little bit of it. It It's a

605
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:53,200
hodge podge roof.
>> Okay. So the proposal is to do the

606
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:56,400
entire house in seedor. In other words,
keep what seedor is there in Walden

607
00:55:55,760 --> 00:56:00,240
color.
>> That is correct. And then

608
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:03,760
» to take that around to the whole house.
>> That is correct.

609
00:56:01,119 --> 00:56:10,720
» Okay. There's another I realize now why
I was so confused. Like on a-4a

610
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:16,079
it says
seedor to match existing in Shiloh.

611
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:19,040
» That is a discrepancy. Shiloh is just a
different color of cedar.

612
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:21,520
» Okay. So
>> that is a discrepancy.

613
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:26,160
» Are we going to
>> fix that? Yes.

614
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:30,319
» Okay. So that was just a mistake or it's
that there is also cedor in Shiloh

615
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:35,760
existing on the house?
>> No. The correct color is Walden.

616
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:40,000
» Okay. So what is there right now? The
seedor the parts of the roof that are

617
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:43,680
seedor are Walden.
>> Correct.

618
00:56:40,559 --> 00:56:47,760
» Okay. So there is no Shiloh. You'll just
correct that can be noted and corrected.

619
00:56:46,240 --> 00:56:51,400
» Yes. That is a discrepancy.
>> Okay. Thank you.

620
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:56,000
» I have a question.
>> Commissioner JS.

621
00:56:54,160 --> 00:57:00,160
» Um
if I read this plan you're changing

622
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:05,680
» Commissioner J. Can you speaking? All
right.

623
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:11,599
» If I look at sheet A3 C,
you are changing every single roof pitch

624
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:17,119
on this house from 6 and 12 to 8 and 12.
What existing roof is going to remain?

625
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:18,880
» It's not the existing roof to remain.
We're going to be preserving the roofing

626
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:22,400
material.
>> So, you're going to take the roofing

627
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:26,960
material off, save it, reapply it.
>> That is correct.

628
00:57:23,839 --> 00:57:32,880
» Interesting. Thank you.
So just to

629
00:57:29,599 --> 00:57:37,119
I understand completely. So ultimately
all the roofing material will be the

630
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:39,760
same or be consistent.
>> That is the goal. Yes. It's stay

631
00:57:38,799 --> 00:57:43,920
consistent.
>> When you say that's the goal, it it's

632
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:45,040
just like is it going to be?
>> Yes.

633
00:57:44,559 --> 00:57:49,119
» Okay.
>> When the roofing tiles are removed,

634
00:57:47,359 --> 00:57:51,760
contractors tell us generally there's a
percentage that are damaged that cannot

635
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:56,720
be preserved.
>> Okay. But our goal is to preserve as

636
00:57:54,319 --> 00:58:01,760
many as we can and use those as the
primary material. And then for any that

637
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:05,799
we don't have left to cover the rest of
the roof, those will be new.

638
00:58:05,839 --> 00:58:15,200
» I have one more comment.
>> Commissioner J. If we approve it, I want

639
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:22,240
to make sure that you are aware that the
shed roof is 1 and a half to 12 and 1

640
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:28,640
and a half to 12 for this material
requires an underllayment. So I don't

641
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:33,119
want to see come back and see a rolled
roof because you didn't want to go

642
00:58:31,359 --> 00:58:36,640
through the effort of basically the
cedar only being a decorative element at

643
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:40,400
that point. So
>> yes, and that's going to be part of our

644
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:45,200
submittal to the building department
showing the waterproofing and showing

645
00:58:42,559 --> 00:58:48,799
all the correct materials as will be
required to ensure the house doesn't

646
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:54,240
have leaks because you're correct at
that roof slope it would be decorative

647
00:58:51,839 --> 00:58:57,440
but we also want the roof to be
homogeneous in material and we don't

648
00:58:55,760 --> 00:59:00,720
want it to be patched work which is why
we're showing it even though you are

649
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:06,240
correct it will be decorative.
>> Okay. Thank you.

650
00:59:03,839 --> 00:59:13,000
» Thank you. Any further questions for the
applicants representatives?

651
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:13,000
All right. Thank you very much.

652
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:22,400
» I'll now open up the item for public
comment. Does any member of the public

653
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:26,640
here wish to speak on this item? If so,
please come forward and state your name

654
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:30,640
and address for the record. And you have
three minutes.

655
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:39,440
» Okay. Uh, my name is George Fu. I live
at 1474 Hampton Road. So my home is the

656
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:45,920
one right next to 1458.
So when Mrs. Sun uh first moved into the

657
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:53,520
neighborhood, I had the opportunity to
meet her as well as her brother uh uh

658
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:59,040
Shin Tao. And since then, I've had
several discussions with them. And it

659
00:59:56,559 --> 01:00:05,280
was clear that uh there was a lot of
work to be done. And that pretty much

660
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:09,839
confirmed my suspicions because just in
looking at the exterior, uh, I could

661
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:14,960
tell that there was very little
maintenance done by the previous owner.

662
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:22,559
Very nice people, but they just didn't
spend the money. And in talking to uh,

663
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:29,200
Cinta, it was clear to me that Mrs. Sun
was prepared to uh, commit significant

664
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:34,960
resources to uh, get the job done. And
that was confirmed when I saw the plans

665
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:40,160
two months ago. And um I found the
design beautiful,

666
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:45,359
classical, and matching the character of
San Marino and the H and the Hampton

667
01:00:43,599 --> 01:00:50,799
Road block.
I like the fact that in designing the

668
01:00:48,559 --> 01:00:55,280
house, they designed it for the minimal
height

669
01:00:52,559 --> 01:01:01,280
so that what you don't have is a huge
McMansion that overwhelms

670
01:00:58,799 --> 01:01:08,400
uh the property.
Uh the other thing that mo me and my

671
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:13,280
wife were concerned about when we first
heard about the twostory thing was

672
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:22,720
privacy. The distance between our two
properties is only 20 ft and our master

673
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:26,799
bedroom and master bathroom faces that
side of the house.

674
01:01:24,799 --> 01:01:31,520
So there was a concern but then when we
looked at the design uh we were pleased

675
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:37,520
to see that there were no windows being
added to the second floor facing our

676
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:42,960
home or the home on the other side the
other neighbor that all the windows were

677
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:48,000
either front or back facing. So that
relieved our concerns and uh we were

678
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:53,839
pleased with that. And then the other
thing we really liked was um even though

679
01:01:51,839 --> 01:02:00,079
now I'm only concerned about the front
yard, not the backyard. I like the idea

680
01:01:57,119 --> 01:02:06,480
that they were removing concrete and
replacing it with green space. Uh, as I

681
01:02:02,799 --> 01:02:12,640
recall, the previous neighbor used to uh
uh uh they must have expanded the the

682
01:02:10,799 --> 01:02:16,960
concrete in the front of the house cuz
they were certainly parking their cars

683
01:02:14,559 --> 01:02:23,280
there and it it just didn't look right.
So, I was pleased to see that. So,

684
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:29,440
needless to say, I support the plan. I
think uh it's a beautiful and classical

685
01:02:25,839 --> 01:02:33,040
design and I thank you for your time.
>> Thank you, Mr. Fu.

686
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:39,599
Seeing no other members of the public
here, staff, do we have any public

687
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:41,680
comment requests submitted
electronically?

688
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:45,040
» No, we did not.
>> Thank you.

689
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:48,880
At this time, I'll close the public
comments and bring the item back to the

690
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:54,200
committee for discussion.
Um, and I will start with Commissioner

691
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:54,200
Chow.

692
01:02:54,480 --> 01:03:04,000
» Thank you, Chair. Um, I think I can
support this project. I do I can make

693
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:13,680
the findings of all four. I did hear
some reservations, some comments from um

694
01:03:09,359 --> 01:03:20,799
two commissioners and uh I definitely uh
I'm open to further discussion

695
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:28,720
um of course but at this point I think
um with some conditions perhaps uh even

696
01:03:24,799 --> 01:03:36,079
that the applicant uh had addressed uh
in the plan pointed out the uh privacy

697
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:41,200
the um vegetation for screening purposes
and I would still like to potentially

698
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:46,400
condition that. Other than that, that's
um that's my comment.

699
01:03:43,359 --> 01:03:49,400
» Thank you, Commissioner Giles.
>> Um

700
01:03:50,720 --> 01:04:01,599
I'm struggling. Um I'm I'm not sure uh
the roof tile is going to match. Having

701
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:10,240
done this on my house and tried to match
roof tile with cedar light at the time

702
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:15,760
there there is a color change. Um so
with what's been on the roof and

703
01:04:11,839 --> 01:04:20,319
weathered versus what's new. Um so just
that's just a little bit. I I I think

704
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:26,440
they can mitigate that depending on if
they put all the new up front and they

705
01:04:21,839 --> 01:04:26,440
leave the old at the back. Um

706
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:34,559
I don't I can make the findings. I I I
would kind of like to see if there was

707
01:04:32,079 --> 01:04:39,680
an opportunity to look at the hip
solutions and and and

708
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:43,079
maybe look at seeing what we can do
about the dormers.

709
01:04:43,839 --> 01:04:53,520
» Thank you, Commissioner Chang.
Um, [clears throat] for the most part,

710
01:04:49,599 --> 01:04:58,799
I'm I'm comfortable with and and can
make the findings for the design review

711
01:04:56,640 --> 01:05:03,839
of of both elements of the second story
edition as well as the changes to

712
01:05:00,799 --> 01:05:08,960
facade. Um, I agree with some of the
comments that um,

713
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:13,039
uh, Commissioner Chow made. Um, so I
think uh, you know, with those

714
01:05:11,039 --> 01:05:17,680
conditions, I I'd be able to approve the
project. Thank you.

715
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:24,000
» Thank you. Vice Chair Batnes.
>> Uh yes. Um I I I think I'm uh that I'm

716
01:05:22,799 --> 01:05:28,319
not the only commissioner who's
concerned about the dormers. Um I think

717
01:05:26,559 --> 01:05:33,920
that when we call something a minimal
traditional, there are no projections or

718
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:39,599
or dormers on minimal traditional
styles. I mean, I I'm I I think that

719
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:45,920
this isn't really a minimal traditional
house, but I uh you know, redesign, but

720
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:54,480
I I think that it's
um has been done very thoughtfully um in

721
01:05:49,839 --> 01:06:01,119
many ways and I think that the dormers
while not being minimal traditional are

722
01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:07,680
are not um are not out of the question.
Somehow the style um

723
01:06:04,799 --> 01:06:13,839
isn't inconsistent with itself. Um, I am
concerned though with the size of them

724
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:19,680
and I would like to see them uh just
rejigged a little bit to

725
01:06:16,559 --> 01:06:23,760
uh project out a little less from the
structure because I think that that's

726
01:06:21,119 --> 01:06:32,000
the only thing that is really taking
away from from the style. Yeah. Um maybe

727
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:40,640
the hipped hipped uh dormer might be um
might be a better choice. Um that's up

728
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:48,640
to the architect to figure out if if we
ask for that to be uh redone perhaps

729
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:56,000
just some uh small measurements being um
you know some small changes um to reduce

730
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:59,200
the size of them. Um even even a small
smallalish change could make a really

731
01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:03,839
big difference in the look of these
dormers I think on this uh house. So, I

732
01:07:02,079 --> 01:07:10,000
would like to see that. I would also I
also agree that the chimney is too high

733
01:07:07,039 --> 01:07:14,000
um for the scale of the house. And um if
it's possible, I would like to see that

734
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:19,039
reduced in size. And from what I'm
understanding from the applicant, it uh

735
01:07:16,079 --> 01:07:23,440
that's a possibility given that it's I
believe not possible to have it be a

736
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:29,839
wood burning house. So, it seems that
there is a there are some ways that that

737
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:35,039
the dormers could be um reduced in size
um to be more appropriate for this

738
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:43,039
house. And I I hope that we um will ask
that they be um uh redesigned. And other

739
01:07:40,079 --> 01:07:50,480
than that, um I think the privacy issues
seem to be um have done have I think I

740
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:53,920
can make the findings for privacy. Um I
think though that the dormers will

741
01:07:52,160 --> 01:08:01,599
reducing the dormers will help to reduce
the visual bulk and um even manage the

742
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:06,720
roof drainage maybe better. Thank you.
>> Thank you. Um I think in terms of the

743
01:08:04,799 --> 01:08:16,960
findings I I could make the privacy
finding with um um with a condition

744
01:08:11,599 --> 01:08:21,120
relating to um um m maintenance of the
new landscaping in the back. And as the

745
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:26,560
director indicated, it could be in
perpetuity. I do want to perhaps have a

746
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:32,159
little bit of a further discussion
amongst the commission because I am

747
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:37,520
concerned about um finding number one
and I am concerned about the comments

748
01:08:34,480 --> 01:08:44,159
that were made by the neighbor in the
legal neighborhood on Wembley who was

749
01:08:40,239 --> 01:08:51,440
mentioning that um or I think it was no.
Yeah, on Wembley um who was mentioning

750
01:08:46,159 --> 01:08:55,920
that uh there is not another um
seconds story property on Hampton other

751
01:08:54,400 --> 01:09:01,520
than the one across the street which I
do I think we can all agree is not an

752
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:06,719
exemplar um and really appears to have a
popup um addition on it which would

753
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:10,799
never be approved um with today's design
review guidelines. And I'm my concerns

754
01:09:09,199 --> 01:09:16,960
are,
you know, [sighs and gasps]

755
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:25,000
that there is a clear um
um precedent in that legal neighborhood.

756
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:25,000
And um

757
01:09:25,279 --> 01:09:31,839
you know, as it says on on page 16 of
the design review guidelines, the

758
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:34,640
stronger the established pattern, the
more important it is to maintain the

759
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:38,319
character of the neighborhood by
respecting those patterns. And so I want

760
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:46,560
to get the thoughts of my fellow
commissioners as to whether the massing

761
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:51,120
of this project uh makes the project um
incompatible with the legal neighborhood

762
01:09:48,640 --> 01:10:01,120
because we have a very unlike many
streets in San Marino. This is indeed um

763
01:09:57,440 --> 01:10:07,199
a very wellestablished pattern. um you
know other than that house across the

764
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:12,480
street um I don't think that dormers you
know they're very rarely used with

765
01:10:08,719 --> 01:10:17,360
minimal traditional architecture so you
know maybe the issue is the nomenclature

766
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:24,000
maybe this you know in my humble opinion
I don't know that it's necessarily um

767
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:28,239
minimal traditional um I do have issue
with the size of the dormers whether we

768
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:35,360
agree they're included in a minimal
traditional architecture or Not. Um

769
01:10:32,480 --> 01:10:38,360
and then
um

770
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:52,800
is any I I want to get the thoughts on
my of my fellow commissioners. Um, we

771
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:58,800
have this this um rendering for the
front and I do appreciate that the

772
01:10:56,400 --> 01:11:01,840
project has thoughtfully
pushed the massing toward the back where

773
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:09,360
it's not going to be seen from the
street and yet does the does the does

774
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:14,000
the um addition on the back
concern anybody in terms of

775
01:11:10,719 --> 01:11:17,920
compatibility with itself
which is another finding we have to

776
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:22,159
make. So those are my thoughts. I am
concerned a little bit about that. Oh,

777
01:11:19,199 --> 01:11:27,760
finally um the and I thank my fellow
commissioners for their question

778
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:36,320
that were very apppropo on the roof.
I would like to see um a very clear

779
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:40,560
description of exactly what is going to
be done with the roof, how it's going to

780
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:44,400
be done as opposed, you know, I I I it
might be worth a continuence just for

781
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:48,480
that. I mean, I have other concerns.
Maybe I'm outnumbered by the commission,

782
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:53,760
but I'm not comfortable with the plans
as they are right now in terms of how

783
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:58,400
the roof is described. So, does anybody
else have any similar concerns or not?

784
01:11:56,800 --> 01:12:02,719
» When you say the roof, are you talking
about the material? Yeah, I mean the

785
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:07,280
inconsistencies within the plan itself
and mentioning I mean we've savage

786
01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:12,239
» we've had we've we've definitely the the
applicant has applicants representatives

787
01:12:09,199 --> 01:12:16,000
have definitely um made clear what they
mean but it's not reflected in the plans

788
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:21,600
is all I'm saying. It would really have
to be stated very clearly in conditions.

789
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:27,840
Um so those are just some of my thoughts
and I welcome further discussion

790
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:34,800
» if if I may chair.
I believe that if there were no dormers,

791
01:12:31,679 --> 01:12:40,159
front dormers, that I could approve this
with those conditions like with

792
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:45,760
specifying the roof, etc. I believe it's
the dormers that make this

793
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:51,360
a little bit incompatible with the rest
of the street. I think that you can have

794
01:12:48,480 --> 01:12:58,880
a a second
floor with the ex the proposed shed

795
01:12:55,920 --> 01:13:02,800
dormers in the back. And I think that
the existence of the second floor the

796
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:07,280
way it's been proposed aside from the
front dormers.

797
01:13:05,679 --> 01:13:12,000
I think it's well done and it won't be
out of place with the neighborhood. Even

798
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:16,719
though it's correct, of course, that the
neighborhood appears to be um all one

799
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:22,960
story. We don't see the backs and maybe
there are shed dormers with a second

800
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:26,960
story in the that we didn't see. But I
think the problem for me is that the

801
01:13:24,719 --> 01:13:35,920
front shed dormers. So perhaps we can
have a discussion of do the other people

802
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:40,000
on the comm on the um commission think
that that is do they agree with me that

803
01:13:38,239 --> 01:13:43,360
that is the main issue here with it
being inconsistent with the

804
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:51,600
neighborhood?
And if so, can that be

805
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:56,640
um can that be changed to can that be
modified to make it more acceptable or

806
01:13:53,920 --> 01:14:02,400
is it not possible that the dormer's
existence

807
01:13:58,719 --> 01:14:06,360
could that is it not possible to make it
more consistent with the neighborhood?

808
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:16,159
just a thought that if the if if the
dormers were removed that chimney is

809
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:19,760
going to be really um prominent in a way
that's

810
01:14:18,159 --> 01:14:23,520
doesn't make I don't know how much sense
that makes

811
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:27,440
already
thing it's very pro it's a very

812
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:32,719
prominent chimney with or without the
dormers um I think it's a little bit

813
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:37,920
deceiving from the elevation perspective
that that you don't really see how far

814
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:42,960
how deep it is behind there with the
dormers. So, I think if there's an

815
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:50,080
opportunity to lower it because it's not
a true chimney, I think that would help

816
01:14:45,679 --> 01:14:53,360
benefit the character. I I would I know
there are other examples in San Marino,

817
01:14:52,159 --> 01:14:58,239
not in this neighborhood, but there are
other examples in the city where there

818
01:14:55,600 --> 01:15:01,760
is a second story addition under a
continuous roof without dormers in the

819
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:05,120
front
>> dormers

820
01:15:02,239 --> 01:15:09,040
» with no front dormers and that have not
changed the character of the house.

821
01:15:07,679 --> 01:15:12,400
» So I I feel
>> I agree with that and I've seen that.

822
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:18,719
I've I've observed that myself as well.
So, I I I feel like

823
01:15:15,199 --> 01:15:23,840
not giving the applicant direction
on how I would fix it, that there is a

824
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:28,080
potential opportunity to make some
adjustments in the plan to maybe tuck it

825
01:15:26,159 --> 01:15:33,679
under
the roof.

826
01:15:30,719 --> 01:15:38,239
So, I would if I don't know how we go
about it. if it's a continuence to have

827
01:15:35,440 --> 01:15:41,920
them come back. I think if if we could
if they can come back to us and clearly

828
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:47,760
show
uh an opportunity in what they've done,

829
01:15:44,159 --> 01:15:53,120
I I think I can make the other findings.
I could support a continuence

830
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:56,719
» and I would also and I I agree that you
know I think we've we've made comments

831
01:15:55,040 --> 01:16:03,920
suggesting
removing the dormers entirely or perhaps

832
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:10,640
um you know making them much smaller or
whatever the the applicant can make

833
01:16:06,239 --> 01:16:15,840
adjustments as they see fit. And I given
the fact that there are no uh that and

834
01:16:13,440 --> 01:16:20,239
the chimney I think that if I understand
correctly the rest of the commission is

835
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:23,840
is okay with the privacy can make the
findings for privacy this evening.

836
01:16:22,239 --> 01:16:26,480
» Privacy doesn't bother me. I think it's
it's it's 50 ft to the rear property

837
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:31,760
line
>> as long as we make the condition. Yeah.

838
01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:38,480
Yeah. So given that this seems to have a
clear direction in to the applicant, I

839
01:16:35,679 --> 01:16:43,520
mean it's
sounds like for for me a condition um a

840
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:49,040
uh
you know one more continuence

841
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:53,520
seems reasonable.
>> And would we not only would we als I I I

842
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:57,360
would support giving some further
guidance. I I would support anything

843
01:16:55,440 --> 01:17:03,199
that needs to be said to be said now to
give the applicant as much guidance as

844
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:09,440
possible um including um making any
corrections in the plans that have been

845
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:16,480
noted um discussion about the roof etc.
I think um my main focus today of course

846
01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:21,520
has been the the privacy
and uh but after hearing all the

847
01:17:19,199 --> 01:17:26,800
concerns from at least three
commissioners

848
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:32,400
uh I think that I can see uh how maybe
the majority of the uh commission would

849
01:17:29,679 --> 01:17:40,719
like to see a continuence. Uh just my
take the the dormers uh themselves the

850
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:48,880
front ones I know were in discussion um
they don't bother me as much. I can see

851
01:17:44,719 --> 01:17:57,840
um certainly the chimney can come down
um not as tall and perhaps the dormers

852
01:17:53,120 --> 01:18:04,960
uh can be sized down reduced in size uh
accordingly. Um, with that,

853
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:09,040
I probably can
still approve the plan, of course,

854
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:16,000
without seeing it. Uh, assuming we were
headed to a continuence, but in the

855
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:21,280
meantime, uh, we have, um, you know, u
strong opinions, uh, not wanting to see

856
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:26,239
any dormers, but I just want to say that
personally for me, I think the dormers I

857
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:34,400
I would find it still meet the guy uh,
the findings. Cheryl, if I if I may have

858
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:40,719
comments. Um, so I understand the
reasoning for the architectural design

859
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:47,679
in order to minimize the overall massing
and disruption of the existing home. Um

860
01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:52,080
actually if you look at it and how the
designer and architect has approached

861
01:18:50,480 --> 01:18:56,960
it, it's actually a pretty novel
approach because to the comment about

862
01:18:54,560 --> 01:19:03,840
the closet and the staircase being where
the dormers are, that is to uh in

863
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:07,520
basically have the least impact to the
front facade of the house facing the

864
01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:13,040
street with the majority of what you
raised uh chair uh chair McKay about the

865
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:17,440
quoteunquote pop up at the act which may
not be compatible with itself. We've

866
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:19,840
seen designs like this come before the
planning commission and design review

867
01:19:19,284 --> 01:19:26,400
[snorts]
where traditional homes with very

868
01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:31,360
similar um
fireplaces right in the center of the

869
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:35,760
home have been effectively removed and
then um I'm actually looking at the

870
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:41,199
house right now. that's on Sanita where
the popup then occurs within the roof

871
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:47,040
line uh but it occurs at the front
towards the street and then eliminates

872
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:52,159
the the the fireplace entirely and then
I believe the rear of the home is where

873
01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:57,920
there's dormers right so if you look
it's a matter and I think this is an

874
01:19:54,000 --> 01:20:01,600
important context that to understand is
for what is being proposed it's a matter

875
01:19:59,679 --> 01:20:06,320
of constructibility
if you look at his floor plan and how

876
01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:12,080
he's placing this two bedrooms, two
baths, the staircase that needs to be in

877
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:18,640
place to get access to the second floor
and a walk-in closet. That's why we are

878
01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:22,640
proposed what's in front of us. So, if
we're wholesaling, telling or asking the

879
01:20:20,480 --> 01:20:28,080
applicant to redesign, then the floor
plan on the second floor effectively

880
01:20:24,480 --> 01:20:31,679
becomes null and void um because the way
he's approaches the way he's approached

881
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:36,239
it.
Again, that that's that comes to the the

882
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:41,120
designer and how he wants to approach it
and what he wants to propose. But we've

883
01:20:38,239 --> 01:20:48,239
seen this type of approach and design
before. We've seen wholesale changes

884
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:56,640
where this kind of two dormers ace, you
know, very asymmetrical type of layout

885
01:20:51,600 --> 01:21:02,800
as proposed um was not the approach. Uh
then the overall design changes

886
01:20:59,199 --> 01:21:08,320
completely. So, I'm not under the, you
know, I'm not in objection to the

887
01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:14,159
consensus that this whether it's truly
compatible with the neighborhood.

888
01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:19,120
However, um I just will reiterate I can
make the findings and I think the home

889
01:21:16,480 --> 01:21:25,679
within what it's trying to accomplish
and to be as compatible with the

890
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:29,840
neighborhood as it can be given what
we've heard from some neighbors. I think

891
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:33,600
it's a good design and that's that's
what I think. Um,

892
01:21:32,159 --> 01:21:43,040
» so just to understand you, Commissioner
Cheng, so you um and I and I concur that

893
01:21:40,719 --> 01:21:48,400
some of the issues that we've raised
were intentionally incorporated to make

894
01:21:46,159 --> 01:21:52,159
this as subtle as possible, but that
doesn't mean that it's necessarily

895
01:21:50,719 --> 01:21:55,920
compatible with the neighbor. So do you
find that finding or do you not find the

896
01:21:54,239 --> 01:21:58,560
finding find you know
>> of compatibility with the neighborhood

897
01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:00,159
» number one?
>> Yeah I think

898
01:21:59,199 --> 01:22:06,639
» as as presented
>> I think as presented the the there are

899
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:10,960
dormers that exist on the neighborhood
with the one example and it's not a

900
01:22:08,639 --> 01:22:17,440
great example either. I think this
design integrates the dormers in the

901
01:22:14,159 --> 01:22:23,600
most compatible way with the home itself
and the neighborhood. Um, and it it's

902
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:28,320
very and it distinctively is because of
what they've trying to achieve uh in the

903
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:33,199
overall design. I think that's the
important that's the important piece to

904
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:38,239
pick up is it's not arbitrarily that one
dormer houses the stairwell and then the

905
01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:43,679
other houses a walk-in closet. I mean if
he if the walk-in closet was reduced to

906
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:49,199
I think it's 80 or 90 square feet from
you know that 80 square feet to let's

907
01:22:46,480 --> 01:22:54,159
call it half you know 40 square foot or
less walk-in closet then you start to

908
01:22:52,159 --> 01:22:58,080
reduce you know the size of the dormer
right you pull it back you start to

909
01:22:56,239 --> 01:23:04,639
maintain your walkway be your hallway
behind it etc. Um, but the staircase,

910
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:08,880
you know, it kind of unless it's
relocated or placed in a different

911
01:23:06,159 --> 01:23:12,320
location, you have to have the minimum
number of treads and the minimum number

912
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:19,920
of heights and the the 90, you know, the
turn radius. So that's why so I'm just

913
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:26,080
I'm I'm sharing more of the the design
and the design and intent is more of

914
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:29,920
what is presented here than
what we've seen previously like a

915
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:34,560
wholesale removal of the fireplace, a
popup in the middle and still within the

916
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:38,159
roof line of the existing home. That's
all.

917
01:23:35,199 --> 01:23:43,040
» And and I concur that as I said already
um that this was intentionally done

918
01:23:40,480 --> 01:23:48,080
right to make this subtle. But is there
any concern that this could establish a

919
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:50,800
precedent as the neighbor on Wembley
mentioned? Yes.

920
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:55,760
» Um, you know, that's that's that's my
concern that this may be a subtle

921
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:59,280
incorporation or and and and you know, I
may be outnumbered in terms of whether

922
01:23:57,360 --> 01:24:03,040
it's compatible with the neighborhood,
>> but is this going to establish a

923
01:24:01,440 --> 01:24:10,480
precedent where the next time it is not
going to be settled like this? Um and

924
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:13,760
and I don't see except for the
the the the property immediately across

925
01:24:12,480 --> 01:24:18,239
the street which I do not think we
should be using as a comparator. Um

926
01:24:16,239 --> 01:24:24,400
because it would not be acceptable
today. Um

927
01:24:22,159 --> 01:24:29,440
you know it's a streetscape that is very
has been preserved for a long time as it

928
01:24:26,639 --> 01:24:33,000
is. So anyway,
any other comments?

929
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:47,360
chair. Uh, if I may, um,
based on the direction that I feel the

930
01:24:44,639 --> 01:24:52,480
commission might be going, um, I think
it would be prudent to re-engage with

931
01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:57,360
the applicant to see if there are
meaningful to these, um, potential

932
01:24:54,960 --> 01:25:03,120
changes because what you don't want to
have is you go through the trouble of

933
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:07,360
saying, you know, or listing all of the
suggestions and then them coming back in

934
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:11,120
a continuence and not really doing any
of

935
01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:16,880
Um, so I I think it would be best to
reopen the public hearing, uh, re-engage

936
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:21,040
with the applicant and first let them
know exactly what you want to see and

937
01:25:18,639 --> 01:25:25,760
two, if they're meaningable, so that,
um, you're not wasting your time and

938
01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:31,679
their time.
>> Thank you, director. Um, so we will

939
01:25:28,480 --> 01:25:36,719
reopen the public portion of the
meeting. Um and may we have the

940
01:25:34,639 --> 01:25:43,639
applicants representatives
representative or representatives as

941
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:43,639
appropriate come forward um

942
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:53,120
does anybody want to express on the
commission um some of the

943
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:58,719
» I mean I think that the applicant has
heard um three you know yeah so I think

944
01:25:56,800 --> 01:26:01,360
I'm not really sure what we're asking
except for

945
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:05,440
» a response
>> a response Yeah, I suppose.

946
01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:09,520
» Thank Thank you so much for all of your
thoughts and and for us it's a bit of a

947
01:26:07,440 --> 01:26:14,960
mixed bag. There's four individuals of
you and so we're getting some different

948
01:26:11,679 --> 01:26:19,520
ideas. Um and and uh Commissioner Chang,
thank you so much for recognizing what

949
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:24,560
we're trying to do. It's a very tight
fit to get that second floor and they're

950
01:26:21,679 --> 01:26:30,560
very difficult and we tried working with
Ariel who's been terrific to put that

951
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:34,800
mass towards the back so it feels more
compatible with the one story that's

952
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:39,840
predominant on the street. The dormers
seemed acceptable. I I like some of the

953
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:45,120
earlier uh thoughts from Commissioner
Giles that even though looking at the

954
01:26:42,639 --> 01:26:49,840
book and and the exact guidelines, the
minimal traditional with the the gable

955
01:26:47,440 --> 01:26:54,560
that the hips could really work on both
the front roof portions of the one-story

956
01:26:52,639 --> 01:27:00,400
portion of the home and also those
dormers. Um I I think uh hearing you

957
01:26:57,600 --> 01:27:06,320
loud and clear, the closet of course can
move back. I think there's a way to move

958
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:10,560
the stair back say a foot and and maybe
uh eight or nine inches in width and and

959
01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:14,400
you guys were pointing out earlier that
little changes could make a big

960
01:27:12,320 --> 01:27:19,679
difference and I'd love to give that a
try. The tricky part for us is do we

961
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:23,280
spend all the time I mean every single
drawing changes and there's so much time

962
01:27:21,679 --> 01:27:27,040
back and forth could we even make the
next meeting in a month because of the

963
01:27:25,199 --> 01:27:31,520
submitt dates ahead of time. We we
reduce everything we push it back. we

964
01:27:29,199 --> 01:27:36,239
drop it down and then the the consensus
of the commission a month from now is we

965
01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:41,040
we just won't accept the dormers. We've
wasted everyone's time. So, it would be

966
01:27:38,480 --> 01:27:45,520
great to have a feeling I don't need
five votes. I need let's just be blunt

967
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:50,080
three votes to pass this thing. Is is
there a way if we will the chimney too's

968
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:54,320
got to come down? The chimney and the
dormers have to be reduced and pushed

969
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:57,600
back and and the hips would really help
instead of the dormers. I think these

970
01:27:55,840 --> 01:28:01,679
are great suggestions. I think it' be a
better design. is more compatible with

971
01:27:59,920 --> 01:28:06,880
the neighborhood. Um, we don't want to
set a precedent. This is so specialized.

972
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:12,320
Um, every single home you you look at is
specialized. There's no open season. If

973
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:16,800
you approve this for everything else,
um, if somebody's as clever as we are,

974
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:22,719
bless them and and let them into the
neighborhood. If not, then turn them

975
01:28:18,639 --> 01:28:28,400
down. Uh, yeah. So, you let me know. Can
can we reduce and and thank you so much

976
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:33,040
um director can we reduce and lower
things and hip them in the front end and

977
01:28:30,719 --> 01:28:39,239
make this work or is the front dorm is
just not acceptable and then it's a wipe

978
01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:39,239
out of this the whole design.

979
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:44,960
» What is the consensus? So you're
suggesting that you would be amanable,

980
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:50,000
the applicant would be amanable to
further recessing the dormers and

981
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:53,199
reducing the size
>> and and

982
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:57,159
gabling them.
>> Yes. All those things.

983
01:29:00,239 --> 01:29:05,760
» I'm curious what Commissioner Giles is
thinking about.

984
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:12,480
Are we going to close this and take it
to discussion or because

985
01:29:11,199 --> 01:29:14,400
» well I want to know if there are any
other questions for the applicant

986
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:18,320
representative
>> while I have any questions no because

987
01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:22,719
» well anybody on the commission I mean
sure because you know I can close it

988
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:25,360
again but if there's going to be a
discussion that's going to raise a

989
01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:31,440
question I really don't want
>> right no I don't have further questions

990
01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:40,400
because yeah um also just to state my
previous kind of comment Again, uh I can

991
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:46,760
see um a different plan with the uh
dormer reduced and the chimney uh be a

992
01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:46,760
little bit shorter.

993
01:29:48,560 --> 01:29:54,239
I've
um I've been through the process. I know

994
01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:59,440
your pain, so I'm trying to respect what
you've done and and the presentation. Um

995
01:29:57,760 --> 01:30:03,920
having done my own house and reduced the
dormers, we we looked at everything. We

996
01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:07,760
looked at the hips. I I could make the
findings at that point if if you came

997
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:11,280
back with a with a true effort on on
making the changes.

998
01:30:10,080 --> 01:30:16,960
» Vice chair, do you have any questions
for the applicant's representative?

999
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:21,440
» Uh I don't think so. I I think I just
want to maybe clarify when I said a

1000
01:30:19,280 --> 01:30:26,960
little change can make a big difference
that we're talking about feet and not

1001
01:30:23,199 --> 01:30:31,920
inches. You you said feet as an example
and I just want to say that that's

1002
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:35,360
» we got to do better.
>> I I mean without telling you exactly you

1003
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:41,040
know how to design something or that
there's any minimums or any certain

1004
01:30:37,440 --> 01:30:43,760
massing that is required or whatever
you're going to come back and we're

1005
01:30:42,159 --> 01:30:48,639
going to evaluate it.
>> I I understand that you're you

1006
01:30:47,120 --> 01:30:54,159
understand
um that this requires some some work.

1007
01:30:52,960 --> 01:31:01,520
» Yeah. [laughter] Right.
>> Okay. I mean, I I also could support a a

1008
01:30:59,679 --> 01:31:08,280
well-designed
serious reduction in but still having

1009
01:31:04,320 --> 01:31:08,280
some front-facing dormers

1010
01:31:08,400 --> 01:31:12,000
» and and um
>> as a continuence.

1011
01:31:11,199 --> 01:31:18,159
» Understood. [clears throat]
Um would you welcome a continuence to a

1012
01:31:16,080 --> 01:31:22,080
date uncertain? I think we should just
do the next meeting and we'll try our

1013
01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:27,320
best and we'll let uh your wonderful
staff know. If we can't make it, they'll

1014
01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:27,320
let you know.

1015
01:31:28,159 --> 01:31:33,280
» Director.
>> Uh no. Well, I hesitate just because I I

1016
01:31:31,679 --> 01:31:37,440
don't know that we'll make the the
deadline because obviously Ariel still

1017
01:31:35,840 --> 01:31:42,239
has to make a staff report, has to
review the changes. I don't mind if we

1018
01:31:40,480 --> 01:31:47,199
want to do a date uncertain with the
expectation that we might come back to

1019
01:31:44,159 --> 01:31:50,320
you and say we need a continuence to a
date

1020
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:53,280
specific date or a date and certain just
because they couldn't make the deadline.

1021
01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:56,880
» Would it be better just to do two months
instead of one month?

1022
01:31:55,040 --> 01:32:00,400
» Two months I think would be adequate.
>> We don't want to push staff either.

1023
01:31:58,400 --> 01:32:03,600
» Right. So I think in two months but we
also want to be cognizant which was

1024
01:32:02,639 --> 01:32:07,120
something I was going to do in the
director's report. We really only have

1025
01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:12,000
three meetings after this one.
September, October, November because

1026
01:32:08,719 --> 01:32:17,600
typically traditionally we have December
uh dark. So um I do think two months uh

1027
01:32:15,520 --> 01:32:19,920
we don't have anything pressing on the
books uh

1028
01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:24,000
» for October
>> for well yeah because we don't have any

1029
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:29,280
deadlines statemandated deadlines or
anything like that that we need to push

1030
01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:31,280
this year. So um I do think the two
month is is

1031
01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:34,800
» more realistic
>> more realistic and fair.

1032
01:32:32,480 --> 01:32:36,400
» Yeah. Chairman McKay, may I just add
something procedurally?

1033
01:32:36,080 --> 01:32:39,840
» Certainly,
>> if we're going to continue it to a date

1034
01:32:38,159 --> 01:32:43,679
certain that I would recommend you keep
the plan the public hearing open

1035
01:32:42,320 --> 01:32:48,719
» so that they don't have to go through a
renoticing process.

1036
01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:54,400
» So the the public hearing would remain
open and the public hearing would be

1037
01:32:50,400 --> 01:32:59,080
continued to the meeting in October.
>> Uh specific date, right?

1038
01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:15,520
at the 28th.
>> October 28th would be the next in two

1039
01:33:12,960 --> 01:33:19,760
months. I'm sorry.
>> Okay.

1040
01:33:17,199 --> 01:33:23,679
Any other questions for the applicants
representative or comments?

1041
01:33:22,719 --> 01:33:30,639
» Thank you so much.
>> Very much. Thank you. Well, uh, okay.

1042
01:33:28,960 --> 01:33:35,920
So, um,
>> so we would recommend a motion if that's

1043
01:33:33,440 --> 01:33:42,159
the desire to continue this project with
the public hearing open to October 28th.

1044
01:33:39,360 --> 01:33:45,880
» Right.
So, I will

1045
01:33:46,400 --> 01:33:54,320
is this number two? Okay. So, I'll make
a motion to continue

1046
01:33:51,280 --> 01:34:00,320
design review case numbers DR24-95
and DR26-04

1047
01:33:56,639 --> 01:34:05,679
at 1458 Hampton Road to the regular
meeting of the San Marino Planning

1048
01:34:01,840 --> 01:34:11,199
Commission of October 28. Um, keeping
the public hearing open. Is that

1049
01:34:08,480 --> 01:34:14,400
sufficient? Okay, that is my motion. Is
there a second?

1050
01:34:12,480 --> 01:34:17,840
» I second that.
>> May we have a roll call, staff?

1051
01:34:16,159 --> 01:34:19,280
» Commissioner Chang. Yes.
>> Commissioner Chow.

1052
01:34:18,880 --> 01:34:20,719
» Yes.
>> Commissioner Dials.

1053
01:34:20,239 --> 01:34:22,320
» Yes.
>> Vice Chair Batnes.

1054
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:23,679
» Yes.
>> And Chair McKay.

1055
01:34:23,280 --> 01:34:28,520
» Yes.
>> Motion carries. 5 Z.

1056
01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:28,520
» Thank.

1057
01:34:37,679 --> 01:34:44,800
And moving on to the consent calendar.
Uh are there any comments on the minutes

1058
01:34:43,440 --> 01:34:47,520
or do we have a motion?
>> Yes. I

1059
01:34:45,840 --> 01:34:49,040
» Commissioner Chow,
>> yes.

1060
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:50,560
» Commissioner Giles,
>> yes.

1061
01:34:49,440 --> 01:34:52,320
» Vice Chair Batnes,
>> yes.

1062
01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:55,840
» And Chair McCay,
>> also abstained from the last meeting.

1063
01:34:54,239 --> 01:34:59,600
So, I will abstain from the vote.
>> Motion carries 40.

1064
01:34:58,400 --> 01:35:03,840
» Thank you very much. Do we have a
director's report?

1065
01:35:00,639 --> 01:35:08,880
» Sure. Thank you. Um, want to highlight
yesterday, uh, some of us were at the

1066
01:35:06,400 --> 01:35:13,040
Huntington Library. Um, Commissioner
Chow was there, uh, for the

1067
01:35:10,480 --> 01:35:18,400
groundbreaking of the lab project.
um a number of compliments from many of

1068
01:35:16,480 --> 01:35:22,960
the attendees on the work that the
planning commission did for that project

1069
01:35:20,239 --> 01:35:30,480
that staff did along with our
consultant. So it was a uh it was a a

1070
01:35:26,719 --> 01:35:34,080
nice ceremony uh well received well
attended and so again just wanted to

1071
01:35:32,560 --> 01:35:37,840
extend those compliments that were given
to the planning commission for all the

1072
01:35:35,440 --> 01:35:42,800
efforts made um not just on the lab
project but also on the uh scholar grow

1073
01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:47,760
project which now we have two projects
going on at the same time. uh I think it

1074
01:35:46,320 --> 01:35:54,639
was close to a quarter of a billion
dollars of of improvements going on

1075
01:35:50,560 --> 01:35:59,679
right now that we with the small staff
uh undertook. So um a lot of great pride

1076
01:35:57,280 --> 01:36:03,280
there and a lot of gratitude to all of
you for the hard work and effort. I mean

1077
01:36:01,440 --> 01:36:07,760
because those were obviously big
projects with a lot of documents that

1078
01:36:05,120 --> 01:36:12,000
were involved and and obviously I've
said this many times all of you are

1079
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:16,159
volunteers not employees. you're not
getting paid and yet you spend a lot of

1080
01:36:13,760 --> 01:36:22,719
time and effort on these uh projects.
So, we really appreciate that.

1081
01:36:18,480 --> 01:36:30,320
» Um also wanted just to
uh as you know um 535 mill was appealed

1082
01:36:27,679 --> 01:36:36,719
uh to the city council. Uh the city
council reviewed that I believe that was

1083
01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:41,679
in the June meeting if not May. uh that
project um or the direction from the

1084
01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:47,040
council on that project was to have a
denovo uh meeting. So, they'll hear it

1085
01:36:44,080 --> 01:36:53,920
from scratch. Uh that is scheduled for
September 25th. And the same applicant

1086
01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:59,280
also appealed the planning commission's
decision for 1469 Bradbury. And so, they

1087
01:36:57,440 --> 01:37:06,320
will have the city council will also
hear that uh and determine what course

1088
01:37:01,600 --> 01:37:09,520
to take. And so, I will update you. Um,
I

1089
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:13,760
don't think I will be able to update you
on the next meeting because I think it

1090
01:37:11,280 --> 01:37:17,880
happens after
uh let me just check real quick.

1091
01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:27,040
Yeah. So, uh, the next plan commission
meeting September 23rd. So, the next or

1092
01:37:25,199 --> 01:37:30,639
the council meeting will be the 25th.
So, I will update you on the October

1093
01:37:29,119 --> 01:37:33,760
meeting.
>> Both of those will be at the same

1094
01:37:31,920 --> 01:37:38,400
meeting. The Genova reviews at both of
them. Yes.

1095
01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:43,040
» Um
and then uh just also let you know in

1096
01:37:40,639 --> 01:37:50,080
terms of staffing, we held the second
interviews for the assistant associate

1097
01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:53,840
opening. Um I am confident that an offer
will be extended by the end of this

1098
01:37:51,520 --> 01:37:58,960
week. So hopefully we'll have someone
here pretty soon to help out both Aubrey

1099
01:37:56,159 --> 01:38:03,679
and Ariel who done a tremendous job uh
keeping uh projects moving forward. And

1100
01:38:02,080 --> 01:38:09,040
you know, I can report that we have no
backlog. So, great job for both Ariel

1101
01:38:06,480 --> 01:38:11,280
and Aubrey.
And that concludes the director's

1102
01:38:10,639 --> 01:38:15,600
report.
>> There are no other appeals

1103
01:38:13,360 --> 01:38:18,639
» that I'm aware of. No, [laughter]
I don't think so.

1104
01:38:17,280 --> 01:38:22,480
» Can I ask a question?
>> Sure.

1105
01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:29,760
» Um, Stoneman update.
>> Uh, yes. So, in terms of Stoman, uh

1106
01:38:26,400 --> 01:38:34,239
I think I had mentioned to you in in the
last director's report of the previous

1107
01:38:31,440 --> 01:38:38,480
one, the city council approved the uh
contract for a consultant to review the

1108
01:38:35,840 --> 01:38:47,679
performers. Uh the consultant is
currently doing that. So our goal is to

1109
01:38:43,760 --> 01:38:53,360
review those and provide uh the council
with some viable u candidates so that

1110
01:38:51,440 --> 01:38:55,600
they can then proceed with giving staff
direction.

1111
01:38:54,159 --> 01:38:59,440
» There were 13 submissions.
>> There were 13 submissions. Correct.

1112
01:38:56,960 --> 01:39:03,119
» And 13 are being reviewed or is all them
review?

1113
01:38:59,920 --> 01:39:08,760
» All 13 are being reviewed. Um
and so it's going to take a little time

1114
01:39:05,119 --> 01:39:08,760
but we're getting there.

1115
01:39:09,040 --> 01:39:16,880
And what about the other location? I
think at the um at the bank uh Codewell

1116
01:39:15,600 --> 01:39:22,320
Banker is it
>> the mixed use project?

1117
01:39:18,639 --> 01:39:26,800
» Oh, the uh yes, the 18 units. Um an
incomplete letter went out to the

1118
01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:30,119
applicant and so um we're just waiting
for their response.

1119
01:39:33,119 --> 01:39:41,119
Well, I'll just state for myself and for
the commission, I'm sure, that uh all

1120
01:39:38,080 --> 01:39:46,080
the auditory comments are very welld
deserved for staff. It was a very heavy

1121
01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:49,440
lift on the Scholars Grove project and
that's literally and figuratively

1122
01:39:47,679 --> 01:39:55,600
because I remember the box of notebooks
that we all had, right? Uh that was a

1123
01:39:52,480 --> 01:40:01,280
huge undertaking. So, very well done.
>> Yeah. Um funny you bring that up. uh

1124
01:39:58,880 --> 01:40:05,679
former plane commissioner Shelley Bole
came in and dropped off that particular

1125
01:40:04,159 --> 01:40:09,760
box of [laughter]
so he's like here here you go and I was

1126
01:40:07,760 --> 01:40:16,080
like well thank you we'll know what to
do with it so um yes but

1127
01:40:13,119 --> 01:40:21,119
» assistant planner Cissoonian gladly took
my box of of notebooks when it was done

1128
01:40:18,960 --> 01:40:26,800
it was a huge thing yeah
>> now any of that u is still coming back

1129
01:40:23,920 --> 01:40:28,800
to the planning commission at all
>> any of

1130
01:40:27,360 --> 01:40:34,159
» further further
uh construction or progress or need

1131
01:40:31,840 --> 01:40:35,920
further approval from this point on
>> for the Huntington project.

1132
01:40:35,360 --> 01:40:42,239
» Yes.
>> Uh no no no uh unless there's some sort

1133
01:40:38,880 --> 01:40:48,480
of um
of significant change to the project

1134
01:40:45,840 --> 01:40:53,360
that uh would require plan commission
review. Otherwise, it's just

1135
01:40:51,199 --> 01:40:59,119
construction right now and so it would
just take its course. Nothing to come

1136
01:40:56,159 --> 01:40:59,119
back.

1137
01:41:01,440 --> 01:41:06,400
Yes.
>> May I ask a question about a previous

1138
01:41:05,040 --> 01:41:09,600
project?
>> You might know what I'm going to ask

1139
01:41:07,920 --> 01:41:14,560
about. It is the project that the
commission heard about two years ago um

1140
01:41:12,400 --> 01:41:19,119
just off of Huntington on that side
road. Um

1141
01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:21,199
and I just don't know what the status is
of that right now.

1142
01:41:20,080 --> 01:41:26,800
» Which
>> all the way west? I don't have the

1143
01:41:23,440 --> 01:41:29,840
address right now. Um
the one that was uh

1144
01:41:28,159 --> 01:41:33,840
» East West Bank they demoed is the one
that where they demoed the building.

1145
01:41:31,520 --> 01:41:36,560
» The one that was the one that you know
was being taken over by squatters. The

1146
01:41:36,159 --> 01:41:46,080
one that
>> Oh yes yes yes yes. Um we had a um new

1147
01:41:43,040 --> 01:41:52,800
buyer, new property owner. Uh they
demolished the house. Uh I believe

1148
01:41:51,280 --> 01:41:56,000
they have an application for a new
house.

1149
01:41:54,480 --> 01:41:59,760
Yeah, this submitted. So, they're going
through the review process.

1150
01:41:57,440 --> 01:42:03,639
» Okay, that's a big development.
>> Okay, thank you.

1151
01:42:03,679 --> 01:42:08,400
» Do we have Thank you very much,
director. Do we have any written

1152
01:42:06,960 --> 01:42:10,719
communication or public writings for
distribution tonight?

1153
01:42:09,600 --> 01:42:14,639
» No, we didn't.
>> Thank you very much. Since we have no

1154
01:42:12,159 --> 01:42:19,600
further business to discuss, tonight's
meeting is adjourned at 7:38 p.m. and

1155
01:42:17,760 --> 01:42:26,560
the next San Marino Planning Commission
will be held on September 23, 2026 at 6

1156
01:42:23,360 --> 01:42:30,440
PM in City Hall Council Chambers.
Wishing everyone a good night.