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Mic testing. Mic testing.
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All right. Thank you for everyone's
patience. Uh I would like to call to

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order the meeting notice for today. Uh,
please join me for the pledge of

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» allegiance

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to the flag of the United States of
America and to the stands one

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indivisible.

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» Roll call, please.
Council

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member Chang
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» Council member Chowo
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» Council member Shepherd Romy
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» Vice Mayor Low
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» And Mayor Cho
>> present. The agenda is posted 72 hours

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prior to each meeting at the following
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Library, and the Stoman Building. The
agenda is also posted on the city's

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website.
Uh at this time, the city welcomes

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public public input.
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on items that are not on the agenda.
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may not discuss take action on any
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everyone, including those joining us
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clearly. Please speak directly into the
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comments are limited to three minutes
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like now to ask city clerk to explain
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take in-person comments for each item.
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it into me if you wish to speak on an
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remaining time to speak. We will also
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participants. To give a public comment
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function. When using this method, name
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name are reflected for the record. If
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agenda item, please indicate which item.
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end of the public comment period for
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individuals who have requested to make a
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then state the amount of public comments
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particular agenda item. Due to technical
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printing, and sorting email public
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cutoff the day of a Wednesday city
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comments. This is to ensure there is
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the emailed comments to the city
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3pm deadline will be included in the
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» All right. So, does anyone here wish to
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your name and address for the record. I
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uh in the crowd. Yeah, please. Please
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» Yes, please. Yeah.
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but equally important.
So, um, good evening everyone. Thank you

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for having me here. Um, I just want to
talk about October 19th of last year, an

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outofc control vehicle on Sierra Madre
breached our property line

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going over 100 miles hour. Um, it
barreled through our front yard, ripped

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down two mature trees, smashed our park
bench into the air, punching a hole

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through our concrete wall and into our
neighbor's bedroom. Fortunately, their

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grandchild wasn't wasn't sleeping in the
bed that night. Although this magnitude

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was dramatic, these kinds of accidents
on that corridor aren't rare. It's an

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ongoing threat. My name is Somia. I live
at 1311 San Marino Avenue, just up the

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street. Um, I'm here to address this
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Sierra Madre and San Marino. Almost all
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know how that current configuration is
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And that yield sign on my front yard is
completely ignored. I pulled out today

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and people were speeding past me. This
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day. I have submitted photographic
packet to all of you. Uh you will see

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you will see the the front yard invasion
that we have the secondary collision

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that happened just a little bit later.
Another collision that happened earlier

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this year from my neighbor two doors
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know about that wreck as well. Um our
frontiers have become a recurring crash

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site. The constant honking from confused
drivers is unyielding. I have elderly

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parents that live with me. we don't feel
safe. Um, my neighbors experienced the

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same thing. You all know the northbound
left turn pocket also is a problem. Um,

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I we've been working with Ambush's
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there's a study in place. This has been
going on since last year. We recognize

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Sarah Madre is a major regional feeder
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the financial burden of this. So, I've
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accommodate. One is to commit to placing
this traffic engineering report on our

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agenda soon for us to be able to
hopefully discuss it um as a public and

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then and then if we can direct our staff
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it's measure R or measure M I'm assuming
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allocated to us so we can actually find
a solution permanently. We've shared

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many of these ideas with Amber
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available than the ones that we have
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» Um I think we'll we'll be I don't the
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just want to clarify that if that's been
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» Mayor, no. The traffic study. Excuse me.
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Would you like me to respond at the end
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there's any other I'll hold off, dude.
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» No. Okay. So, I guess that does conclude
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agenda item, correct?
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» unfortunately. Yeah, we we're going to
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tied to the agenda item. We're going to
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that agenda item comes up.
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the close of the public comment period.
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concerns. Director Shaw, Chief Entro,
we've all been working on what we can do

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to help um address the issues of driving
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Um, if I'm not mistaken, a traffic study
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and should be going to a public safety
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few months. So, if it's not on the
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November or, um, the January agenda.
These things, unfortunately, there's

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process involved that we have to comply
with state laws and conduct um,

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engineering studies to comply with said
state laws. Um, so we wish things could

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happen overnight. We don't I haven't
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the study actually um warrants specific
engineering improvements and different

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things like that but we have to look at
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public safety commission where the
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that commission at that time. So keep an
eye out and I know um being in

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communication with director Shaw you'll
know exactly when that goes to public

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safety so that you can come out and
support um your position there. Thank

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you.
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» Thank you. All right. Uh, mayor and
council members, guests, and, uh, little

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league champions, uh, congratulations.
We got a we got a long night, and so I,

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this is the first meeting we've had in a
couple months, so if you'll indulge me,

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I just have a few slides here. Uh, let's
start off with some fun stuff. I can

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click my way through this, I think. I
sure can. Summer in San Marina. We

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talked about this when summer kicked
off. It was a fantastic summer in San

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Marina. I hope folks here had an
opportunity to go visit our uh summer

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concerts. Our I'll give you a couple
statistics here. 863

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patrons registered for our libraries
annual summer reading club. Um I believe

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that might be a record, but it's it's an
amazing number when you consider how

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many folks actually live in San Marino,
how many little ones we have in San

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Marino. 863 patrons for our summer
reading club. 284

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patrons completed the challenge of
reading for 50 straight days. Awesome

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work by our library staff. Really
invigorating young folks to read through

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it. Uh patrons combined for a total of
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days read, which exceeded the reading
goal of 10,000 days read. So library

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staff putting in work and folks just
flipping through those pages. What an

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great great uh summer reading club that
was. 4th of July, over 11,000 attendees

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at really Fourth of July, what was a
spectacular parade. Many of you, I

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think, were in the parade. Uh we had a
fantastic day. Thank you to the

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community and the council for making it
a safe and enjoyable event. Summer

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sunset concert series, over 2600
attendees. So, if you didn't see one of

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those great concerts, please, we
encourage you to come out and see those

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next year. Fantastic event. And our
recreation programs generally had um

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over a thousand registrations this
summer. So great recreation programs. Um

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great work by our many different
departments this summer. Um it has been

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one of the hottest summers we've had in
years. Today being no exception. So hats

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off to every department and I'm going to
run through a couple different things

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here tonight. Um for those of you that
don't know, um you will be receiving

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your ballot information from the county
here uh shortly if you haven't already.

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Uh measure U is the uh continuation of
the long-standing San Marino utility

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users tax that is up for renewal this
November. On the ballot it will be

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measure U. So in addition to the council
seats that we have on the ballot um we

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encourage all our residents to learn
about measure U and the important role

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this plays in our ability to deliver
services. The current measure uh

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generates nearly 6% of our entire
budget. So, it's a very vital revenue

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stream and I encourage folks to attend
and participate in this town hall we're

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hosting at the community center Tuesday,
September 29th at 6 PM. It's going to be

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um uh a great opportunity for folks to
ask questions and engage with us as

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staff and learn about it. It's one of
those things that might be um back of

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mind for us, but it's an important very
important revenue stream that sunsets

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next year and we're looking um to make
sure that voters are educated on this

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particular topic. More more about this
can be found on the city's website if

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you visit um samarinoca.govmeasurewu

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and you will see some banners around
town driving uh folks to that website as

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well.
Next item here I mentioned how hard at

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work our our staff have been uh
particularly trying to protect uh little

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ones such as yourselves. You you guys
are older, not that little. You're my

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height, but uh we're looking for things.
Look around town. You're going to see a

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lot of awesome public safety
improvements around town. These are

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studies that Director Shaw and our
traffic engineering firm have been

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working on uh gosh probably the better
part of the last year. These don't these

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don't happen overnight, but you're going
to see several places where speed limits

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have been reduced everywhere we could to
help make sure that uh our most

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vulnerable pedestrians, young children,
anyone out on the streets are as

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protected as possible. Uh hats off to
our public work staff. you'll see in the

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photo wearing hats uh that we're out
there installing radar feedback signs

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different places all along Huntington
you'll see new signs and I I'm thrilled

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to say that there are more in the works
as far as public safety improvements. Um

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keep an eye out for the next public
safety commission. Those folks will be

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doing some hard work here in September.
Um and we're excited to bring back more

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improvements, some speed limit
reductions and different things. um

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really carrying on the mission of this
council to focus on public safety. As

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you can hear our folks working hard out
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Next, uh one of the hardest things we do
here is trying to balance um care of our

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own infrastructure just as you would
around your own house. I wanted to

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highlight this. That door on the left um
that's actually that door right there.

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Um and if you can see in the far left
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We've had some awesome work put in by
our public works staff and our

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contractors to make sure that we're
protecting our assets here at city hall

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and are the great caretakers of the
community's assets. So, I just wanted to

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highlight this important work going on
around town. Yeah. So, check take a look

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at that door. It's not not the coolest
thing, but I we think it's cool. Um,

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last but not least, we do have one of
our amazing volunteer recreation

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commissioners received a promotion at
work and could no longer participate on

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the advisory body and so he has created
a vacancy on a recreation commission.

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Oh, didn't click. Thank you, Nicole. Um,
please go out and apply for this

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position. Applications are open for the
next month or so. We close applications

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on October 12th. You can learn more by
visiting samosca.gov/advisorybodies.

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um just have to be a resident in town to
uh take that position. Um please take a

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look, learn more, and we're hoping to
get someone appointed by the end of the

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year. Lastly, I just wanted to
congratulate I know we have several new

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staff in different places. Um I wanted
to congratulate our new city clerk, Miss

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Kalistro. I wanted to congratulate a
host of staff that have come back from

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maternity and paternity leave. I I said
this earlier in the year, but I I think

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about 12% of our staff now have had new
babies over the course of the last 10

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months. And so, uh, being a small staff,
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recruiting an entirely new generation of
public servants. Um, so just

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» yeah, I I want to just take my hat off
to all the folks that are, you know, our

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public servants that have been working
this last week, but the last six weeks

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it's been incredibly hot. police
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public works employees, everyone that's
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know, after this rainstorm that we've
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branches were cleared, the rain, the
gutters were cleared. Um, a lot of these

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folks work out in the field all day long
and they don't have the privilege of

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having an office like myself and others
do. Um, and it's a tough day to be out

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and work and so Labor Day on Monday was
one that I reflected on what these folks

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were doing. So, um, not having had a
manager's report in a while, I just want

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to take my hat off to all of our public
service professionals over the last six

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six or eight weeks of heat, um, the way
that El Nino is looking for the rest of

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the year, it's going to be a hard year
for us and the employees, and I just

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want to tip my hat to the council for
your leadership and all the public

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service professionals you hear out there
that did not have Monday off. Um my very

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last thing I know um Friday we have uh
the 25th anniversary of the remembrance

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of the tragedies um that took place on
September 11th. Um we will be having a

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visit from the San Marino Chinese Club
who every year u even predating those

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tragedies has um done a wonderful
appreciation. It's the what they call

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the 911 appreciation. So really for our
public safety professionals. So, just

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wanted to extend a gratitude to um the
Chinese club for hosting that for us

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this coming Friday. Um with that, mayor,
council members, I'm available for any

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questions, but I appreciate you
indulging me. And my very last item that

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I think we've disc I've mentioned up
there, but because we have so many um

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items here going on the consent calendar
after our ceremonial matter, I'd like to

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ask that if the council's willing, we
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before we get into the new business
items, but we'll revisit that at after

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this report. So thank you again and
thank you to our visitors.

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» No questions.
All right. Now we move on to the

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ceremonial. So if I can congratulate or
present the certificate to our 12U

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allstars. Congratulations for stay.
[applause]

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I I was I was hoping to be able to
attend the one. I think there was one in

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where was the state one? Sacramento or
where where was it in?

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» Sorry,
>> San Bernardino. I got I got the call to

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send at least a message. So, I hope you
got the message uh before the game. But

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um congratulations. Amazing season. And
thank you, especially you coaches. I

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know how much work and commitment it
takes for the coaches and the parents to

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be out there uh dealing with the gear
and transportation and snacks and all

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that. So, um it's a it's a real team
effort and really want to congratulate

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the team and uh if we can have you come
up uh we'll do a photo

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spread out.

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and the coaches too.

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[laughter]

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» Who wants to
be?

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» We got a little more squeeze in a little
bit more.

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» One of the coaches want to come on this
side.

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» You guys know how to do this.

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Samino,

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two

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Congratulations.

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Nice job. Congratulations.

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» Congratulations. Congratulations.
Nice job. That's a lot of work. I know

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it is.

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How fun

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» again.

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» Putting that list together was great. I
drove around with that and my ridiculous

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map. We used to get a map to try to find
it because I don't want to go, you know,

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like if I do it in the order.

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» Oh yeah. Well, that's what essentially
this is. I just divide the city, you

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know,
>> but they were all over the place.

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» [clears throat]

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» Okay.

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» So, let's

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just move on to the consent calendar.
Um, does any council members wish to

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pull any items from consent? As a
reminder, council members may vote no on

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specific consent calendar items without
pulling the item for discussion. Are

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there?
>> Yes. I would like to pull item number

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five, approval of amendment number two
to the professional services agreement

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with the code group for building plan
check, inspection services, and related

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budget adjustments.
>> Any other items to be pulled?

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only number five. Vice Mayor, council
member Cha. No.

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Okay. Um, do you want a motion? Do we
have a motion for the other items?

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» And mayor, if I might just ask whatever
motion um, you make reflect the changes

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that were distributed to the dis uh, for
the two corrections. You just as

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corrected by staff would be perfect
>> for consent items. Agenda item 12 and

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agenda item 19.
>> Yes, ma'am. Okay,

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I have a motion for the other items.
>> I move to approve

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» I move to approve consent items except
for item number five and as amended for

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items 12 and 19.
>> Second.

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» Second.
>> Roll call, please.

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» Council member Ching,
>> yes. Council member Chowo.

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» Yes.
>> Council member Shepard Romy. Vice Mayor

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Low.
>> Yes.

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» And Mayor Cho.
>> Yes.

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» Okay. So, going back to consent item
number five.

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» Just a quick question. We do have
somebody who's speaking.

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» No, ma'am. I believe it is on item
number one.

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» Okay. Got it. Thank you.
Um my concern and I don't know

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the report and it has to do with um
raising

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the expense cap or the
or the costs because there's been an

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increased demand for plan check and
inspection services and we're

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anticipating that for next year as well.
So, it's both capturing the additional

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money spent in that area. And my concern
is how much are we spending more and if

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we're increasing it, so to speak, for
the projected uh continuing larger

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amount of work, are we um making sure
that we are taking in the appropriate

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fees? Is this item because there was no
revenue fee line or explanation of how

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much of this is being covered. Are we
fully charging all of these things? Do

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we get completely reimbursed? I know
from some of the large projects we do,

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but it's a a significant jump and we're
planning it more next year. And this is

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a budget item that I think should be
always a pass through. Um, so I wanted

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to make sure, but there was no
information in the report as it stands

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and I should have told asked you before,
so I apologize for that part, but I

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didn't want to approve it without
knowing that this was uh these increases

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are covered by fees that we have are
going to collect.

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» No problem. That's a great question. Um,
so for the majority of these, these are

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fees that we collect. So once you obtain
secure a building permit, you're

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basically paying for the service. So
there's no expenditure from the city

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side other than uh, for example, the
plan checking that can be connected to

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the fire station improvements. Those
come under the city

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» of city property or city projects
>> or or um, and those could be reimbured

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obviously through that particular
process. But um uh city initiated

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projects. So if we were asking them to
do a plan check for specific city

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project or they also have services for
building inspectors. So if our building

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inspectors out for a week
>> um you know we have them augment staff.

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So those are the type of of items that
would be under our responsibility. for

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90 some odd percent of this contract,
it's basically the permit fees

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associated with projects.
>> Okay. And and the I don't know if this

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included that or maybe I'm um
compressing two things together that

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there's some expediting
>> fees as well. So that is included in

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these numbers. How how we have big
projects that are requiring I know it

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requires a lot of staff time, but I'm
hoping that we're capturing some of that

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and passing it on to people who use more
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» It's included in the expedited fee. So
the majority of the or the reason the

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main reason why we're asking for this
increase in the budget is because of the

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capital improvement projects at the
Huntington Library um and also the

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inspections that go along with it. So
that's the main reason for this

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» and they will be and so just to circle
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Huntington
>> uh by the permit. Yes.

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» Through the permit.
>> Yes. And council just for the record I

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just wanted to make sure for those that
might be watching at home part of this

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action. Not only are we asking for the
budget adjustment, we're also asking for

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um the exact same on the revenue side.
So we're the the motion Yeah. The motion

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on page uh 323 of the packet reflects
that we're um so we're making the

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adjustment on both sides of the bank.
Yeah. Both side of the bank account on

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the ledger revenues and expenditures are
going up. So we made sure that we caught

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that both sides.
>> Okay. I just didn't see discussion of it

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and so I wanted to make sure that these
were all caught and something ex except

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for city projects or exceptional
circumstances where we cover if we need

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to hire a temporary person or whatever
all these are passroughs and that we are

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moving both in the right direction.
Correct.

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» Thank you. Those are my concerns.
>> I don't have any problem um moving for

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approval if I don't know if any council
members had any other Okay. So I'll read

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the
make a motion. I move to approve the

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fiscal year 2526 BCA code expenditures
and related budget adjustments. Approve

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amendment number two to professional
services agreement with the code group

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inc. Doing business as BCA code. Approve
the fiscal year 2627 budget adjustments

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and operate the and authorize the city
manager, excuse me, to execute the

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amendments.
>> Second.

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» Roll call.
>> Council member Chang.

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» Yes. Council member Chowo,
>> yes.

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» Council member Shepard Romy,
>> I.

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» Vice Mayor Low,
>> yes.

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» And Mayor Cho,
>> yes.

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» Motion passes.
>> All right. So, now we're moving on to

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new business.
>> Thank you, Mayor, for the uh letting me

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pull that out and clarify that.
>> Um, new business. Do we have somebody

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presenting? Yep.

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» [clears throat]
>> Okay. Thank you and good evening, mayor

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and council members. Um the tonight's
presentation is a followup to our summer

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2026 tree removal uh report that was
presented on June 26th and um and also

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includes a tree removal recommendations
for our fall removal list. Um but I'm

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going to be focusing this presentation
specifically on the follow-up that was

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requested for three of the trees that
were presented in June.

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It's not doing anything.

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I don't think it's on.

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Thank you.
Okay. So, um, just to give a brief

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overview for anyone watching at home,
um, or in the room that may not be

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familiar with the city's urban forestry
program, our the city's tree inventory

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includes approximately 9,500 trees that,
um, we are responsible for maintaining,

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whether those are parkway, median, in
our parks, on our um, uh, fiscal our

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municipal properties. Um so that is the
ma the number of trees that we are

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responsible for throughout the city. Um
as part of our urban forestry program we

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utilize Mariposa tree management um for
providing the bulk of our tree

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maintenance services. This includes tree
pruning, crown raising, palm tree

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prunings, um some tree removals, which
is a very small portion of our budget

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and then also the replantings that come
with that. Um and just an expanding our

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urban forest throughout the city. Uh
this Mariposa's contract is an amount

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not to exceed of about half a million
dollars. Um due to budget constraints

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this year we're budgeting closer to
about $450,000

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um for their services. Obviously on an
asus as needed basis they also provide

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emergency services um for callouts and
things um of that nature.

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So bringing me to um the next thing I
wanted to highlight here was just the

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city's street tree policy. Um as not
noted in the previous slide um a small

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portion of our budget and the
responsibility for our city's street

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trees um brings us into section 7.2 of
our city's policy regarding the ress for

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tree removal. So staff or at this point
our consulting arborist um utilize these

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reasons for bringing forward any trees
that are evaluated um that have been

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determined to be either dead um they've
reached over mature condition expected

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to decline um and result in death within
a year um there's a number I won't read

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all of these are on the screen here for
you um but there are a number of reasons

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bulleted here that are the basis for the
recommendations that are included in the

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arborist report the pre- reports brought
forward were determined to have been

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meeting at least one or more of these
reasons to be brought forward.

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So, going back to June 26 um council
meeting, the department presented 11

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city treeowned uh trees for removal at
that point and at the council's request,

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three of them were um taken off the
removal list and requested for

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additional evaluation.
Um, pursuant to that, we did an

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assessment so we could determine the
extent of each treere's decline, um, its

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structural condition, any potential
treatment options, if any were

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available, and, um, whether treatment
would reasonably extend the city's tree,

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um, life.
So, pursuant to that, we did complete

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sonic tomography testing on all three of
those trees. Um, the cost for that

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service is $1,800 per tree. Um and then
one of the trees resulted in additional

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uh recommendation for doing a root crown
excavation and inspection. Uh and the

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cost associated with that is just the
hourly rate of our arborist consulting

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arborist at $200 per hour. Um and that
was done on one of the trees.

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So the first tree on um in the report on
the list oops

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where are we going?

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Okay.
Sorry for the technical. I don't know

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why it's okay. So, the first tree I
wanted to um discuss.

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I'm not pushing anything, so I'm not
sure. Um the first tree is 1430

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Cambridge Road. Uh this is a coastlive
oak with a 48.2 inch

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DBH. There it is. Um so you can see on
the left hand side of the screen these

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are the sonic the results of the sonic
tramography of the tree that was um

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performed by our consulting arborist. Um
you'll see the sensors that were placed

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around and at they were placed at two
different levels on the tree to complete

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this type of um study of the tree and
then just the um the photo of the tree

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00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:54,400
at large um or from a distance. So you
can see the full tree condition in this

420
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:58,160
photo. Um it was noted in the arbur
report that this tree actually was in

421
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:05,839
better condition than when it had been
previously evaluated um back in January

422
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:10,079
um than was expected. So as a result of
the sonic tomography testing, we did do

423
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:14,240
additional root crown excavation here um
to see if there was any sort of

424
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:19,920
pathogenic or other um defects within
the root system. Um and at this point

425
00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:23,839
the recommendation was that we could
continue monitoring this tree. It does

426
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:27,760
have a ganoderma conchk um which
ultimately will lead to the treere's

427
00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:32,079
demise. There's no cure or treatment for
um ganodermma conchk but it is quite

428
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:37,680
small at this point on this tree. And so
the recommendation was that we could

429
00:37:33,599 --> 00:37:43,440
actually continue monitoring this one.
On the next tree, I don't

430
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:51,440
no
um which is 2290 Sherwood Road

431
00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:58,160
is Coastal Live Oak, which is has a 38.5
inch DBH. Um you'll see on this one the

432
00:37:56,079 --> 00:38:05,880
sonic tomography.
I'm not literally touching anything.

433
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,880
Okay. Um

434
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:13,280
uh can go back one slide please. Yeah.
Okay. So there we go. So this is 2290

435
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:17,920
Sherwood Road. Um so again you can see
on the left hand side of uh the slide

436
00:38:15,119 --> 00:38:24,800
where the sonic tomography results um
indicate is quite severely decayed um

437
00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:28,960
indicated by the very red um throughout
the majority of the tree trunk at both

438
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:32,800
levels that it was tested at. Again, you
can see um basically the sensors that

439
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:37,839
were placed around the trunk at the time
uh this uh testing was completed and

440
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:42,000
again the tree on the right. Um the
recommendations for this tree is that it

441
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:48,760
does need to be removed based on these
results um as indicated in the arborist

442
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,760
report.

443
00:38:49,359 --> 00:39:01,119
Going on to the next tree
which is 11:01 11:01 Lraine Road. Um

444
00:38:55,520 --> 00:39:05,520
also coastlife oak 55.3 inch DBH. Um in
this one again you see the sonic

445
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:09,440
tomography testing on the left. Um
there's more yellow and orange. You'll

446
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:14,240
see some more red along the perimeter of
the tree. Um which the perimeter of the

447
00:39:11,839 --> 00:39:19,280
tree is what provides the support and
stability for the tree. And most in the

448
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:24,160
top um sonic tomography result is more
at the base of the tree where the worst

449
00:39:21,359 --> 00:39:29,680
uh decay is being shown there. Um again
this tree also has some very visible

450
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:38,332
signs of structural defects, holes and
ganoderma conchk um contributing to and

451
00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:40,880
ultimately its death um for this tree.
[clears throat]

452
00:39:39,119 --> 00:39:45,200
Going on to the next slide. So again,
this is just a summary of the additional

453
00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:49,359
evaluation that was completed for 1430
Cambridge. We completed the sonic

454
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:53,280
tomography and root current inspection
uh with no recommendation for removal at

455
00:39:51,680 --> 00:40:00,079
this time just to continue monitoring it
monthly. The and then the next trees

456
00:39:55,760 --> 00:40:04,480
1101 and Lraine Road and 2290 Sherwood
Road both had sonic tomography testing

457
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:09,079
and both were recommended for removal
based upon the results of those tests.

458
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:18,400
And last slide I think. And so in
summary, um the

459
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:22,079
as a follow-up to the summer 2026
presentation for the trees that were

460
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:26,640
previously recommended for removal, we
did complete some additional testing and

461
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:30,880
of the sonic tomography. Again, those
same recommendations I just discussed

462
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:35,760
for those three trees. In addition to
that, included in your pocket were 19

463
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:40,960
additional trees um that were identified
as part of the fall tree removal list.

464
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:45,280
Um and those are included in your report
and I'm happy to answer. So that would

465
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:50,480
so with the total recommendation there's
22 trees in the listing because 1430

466
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:54,720
Cambridge is not recommended for removal
at this time and just to be monitored 21

467
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:58,079
of the trees are currently recommended
for removal

468
00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:01,359
including the two that were previously
presented in June.

469
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:05,240
questions from council.

470
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,520
» Yeah, go for it.

471
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:17,599
» Yeah.
>> And then public comment or public

472
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:20,319
comment.
>> Okay.

473
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:23,760
» Why don't we do public? Um, yes. Did you
want to come up? You had a you had a

474
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:30,520
comment regarding this item, I I
believe, right? Was it the tree?

475
00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:30,520
Was it your

476
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:36,233
» you could just let us know your name and
your address? Yeah.

477
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:40,160
» Um my name is Lakshmi ready.
[clears throat]

478
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:44,000
Um I'm not related to any of these trees
and I first of all I want I would like

479
00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:50,160
to thank you Mr. Mayor and all the
council members for the time for your

480
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:57,599
time. Um I have a tree uh I had a oak
tree that died in my backyard. Um it was

481
00:41:54,079 --> 00:42:02,960
um December 25. I've been trying to um
you know I try it's been this is a

482
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:09,200
problem for the over 10 months and I
came here to um ask asking for a permit

483
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:16,240
to remove it and several times and some
like in January this year two aberists

484
00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:24,400
actually came and they certified that
the tree is dead and uh then I paid a

485
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:32,079
deposit and then on February 20 February
18th of is here. I got a email from

486
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:38,000
Victor and he said, you know, with the
permit number, everything. I thought I

487
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:44,240
have the permit and then I arranged uh a
license. I informed my neighbors uh did

488
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:53,280
everything and and had the tree removed
on March uh 11th.

489
00:42:48,720 --> 00:42:58,480
And then um I that tree was gone. It was
a huge uh oak tree and I was afraid

490
00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:02,560
because the branches were all dead and
if I were at the back even if one small

491
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:08,960
branch fell that would cause a bad
injury. And then um I kept communicating

492
00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:16,480
with Victor he never responded. And then
in May, 5th of May, that uh I received

493
00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:27,040
an email from Victor that I need to
plant um eight 24in box trees and four

494
00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:34,560
36 in uh box trees or uh so either 8 24
in or 4 36 in. And I I'm a I'm a

495
00:43:31,839 --> 00:43:41,359
biologist. I have a PhD in biology. I'm
also certified um master gardener from

496
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:47,280
UCLA. I'm against box trees. I explained
to him by then I already planted uh

497
00:43:44,720 --> 00:43:54,240
because tree was removed in March and
his message was reply to me was on in

498
00:43:50,720 --> 00:44:01,440
May. Uh so by by then I already planted
my trees at the back including an oak

499
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:06,960
tree. And I I explained this to him. I
can explain why box trees are not bad if

500
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:14,079
I have time maybe at the end. And then
um Aubris here is the gentleman came. Uh

501
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:21,040
he checked all my trees. I planted lot
of fruit trees, anything I wanted. And I

502
00:44:17,359 --> 00:44:27,119
also planted a uh oak tree. Uh uh you
know I chose the really the one with

503
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:35,280
pretty leaves and and the from a natural
um you know natural tree a native tree

504
00:44:31,599 --> 00:44:41,200
as nursery uh in Santa Monica um and I
planted and then he came and uh um uh

505
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:49,839
visited it visited all the trees I
planted and then I also sent uh u

506
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:54,640
receipts for for what I purchased on um
this is July. In the meantime, I

507
00:44:52,720 --> 00:45:02,400
corresponding with him, sending
messages, no reply, but anyways, and he

508
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:10,160
asked for the receipts and in July 17th,
I sent him the receipts and then uh he

509
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:14,880
and then again no response. I kept
sending messages every week. Um I I

510
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:19,359
didn't want to forget. I just I was uh
the more it's delayed, I'm getting

511
00:45:16,319 --> 00:45:25,119
curious uh why is this happening? So I
persisted. I sent uh messages every

512
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:28,480
week. And then in August 21st last
month,

513
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:32,480
» Mr. We did three minutes. If I could
give you 30 more seconds, can you wrap?

514
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:38,400
Okay. Yeah. Is that okay? Okay.
>> So, uh 8:21 he told me that I didn't I

515
00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:47,359
didn't get permit. I I removed the tree
without a permit. And then he said um

516
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:52,160
that I I I should plant eight 24 inch um
trees otherwise I'm not getting my money

517
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:57,440
back. And in the meantime I even
contacted the uh Mr. Figurova and he

518
00:45:55,200 --> 00:46:02,880
called me and he said he'll get back to
me. I never heard from him. I called him

519
00:45:59,839 --> 00:46:07,760
again. He called me today. just today he
probably heard that I'm coming here and

520
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:14,720
then I and he told me that I need to
plant according to the ordinance eight

521
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:19,200
24inch oak trees and or four 36in oak
trees and then uh he said that's the

522
00:46:17,119 --> 00:46:27,119
ordinance but I was never sent that
ordinance by Victor and also um he told

523
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:34,160
me that uh I I not to come today come
some other day or something and so I I

524
00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:40,960
I'm here um to you know if it if the if
we have to um plant eight oak trees and

525
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:47,520
there is I don't think anybody knows
about it or we'll plant eight oak trees

526
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:52,079
for one oak dead oak tree say all I did
was removing one dead oak tree and I've

527
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:56,800
never been here I've been in the city
for 26 years I never had any problem but

528
00:46:55,680 --> 00:47:02,240
this is the problem
>> okay thank thank you for your comment on

529
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:06,400
that I don't know how you want Uh
>> so I'll I'll make I'll make a brief

530
00:47:04,079 --> 00:47:09,200
force. Um so if you'd like to you could
take your seat if you'd like the public

531
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:13,839
comments close at this time but just as
general for the council. Um I know uh

532
00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:17,680
and I apologize for the communication
issues. Director Figueroa. Um our code

533
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:22,640
enforcement manager Mr. Alammon I've
been briefed on the issue. Um what this

534
00:47:19,839 --> 00:47:28,000
is is unfortunately the code um does not
provide relief to staff to be able to

535
00:47:25,119 --> 00:47:32,720
make such deviations. in the code uh
when residents um Miss Ready or others

536
00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:37,599
pull permits for tree removals, right?
The the permit states on there once the

537
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:41,359
individual signs and accepts the terms
of the permit states that they are

538
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:46,000
required for certain replacement per the
code. Um and so the staff do not have

539
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:51,760
the ability to wave that type of
requirement at the director level. Um I

540
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:54,640
I believe the recourse uh might be to go
to planning commission or an appeal. Do

541
00:47:53,119 --> 00:47:57,680
you want to come up and just talk? You
know, anyway, you know what? Actually,

542
00:47:56,319 --> 00:47:59,440
it's probably we're going to deviate too
much on this, so I don't want to unless

543
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,720
the council wants
>> I think we could just wrap up with

544
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:07,040
procedurally. Yeah. If there's any
>> help the res

545
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:11,520
issues
have heard or discussed at a body, we're

546
00:48:09,599 --> 00:48:17,359
probably not the right person or the
right group at this time.

547
00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:22,800
» So, so as uh our city manager was
saying, the code is the code. the code

548
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:28,079
stipulates what the requirement is for
uh the replacement requirement.

549
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:32,559
The community development director does
have the ability to reduce that. Um Miss

550
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:37,520
Ready has been informed of that, but
that depends on the conditions of the

551
00:48:34,240 --> 00:48:43,040
property. Um uh Miss Ready has been
provided a pathway in terms of uh

552
00:48:40,319 --> 00:48:47,599
seeking relief uh in conjunction with
the review of the community development

553
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:52,000
director and staff. Uh absent that um
there was an appeal period that lapsed

554
00:48:50,319 --> 00:48:56,559
could have been appealed to the planning
commission and subsequently could have

555
00:48:53,760 --> 00:49:01,040
been appealed to the city council but uh
as always staff will work with the

556
00:48:58,319 --> 00:49:07,040
applicant and uh see if there could be a
pathway for a resolution. And just to

557
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:12,319
clarify, so so I understand or so uh the
uh community does and and the resident

558
00:49:09,599 --> 00:49:18,079
when a tree is removed, the idea is we
refer to a the ordinance which has

559
00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:23,119
built-in provisions. California oaks are
I believe are replaced with oaks

560
00:49:20,319 --> 00:49:28,000
specifically. So you cannot we as a
governing body when we did that because

561
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:33,520
of the California statewide laws we
specified oaks for oaks and then there's

562
00:49:30,319 --> 00:49:38,079
a size and you calculate from there what
the replacement is like how many small

563
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:43,839
oaks would eventually grow to be the
size and have the same coverage if you

564
00:49:39,839 --> 00:49:49,119
will as the dead tree or in this case a
dead oak tree removed. Is that how it's

565
00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:55,440
done? Uh the zoning ordinance is
specific in terms of it has a range in

566
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:59,599
terms of the size of the removal and
what the replacement requirement is and

567
00:49:57,599 --> 00:50:02,400
it also requires that oak trees be
replaced with oak trees.

568
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:06,240
» Right? So there's two things going on
there that are written and that was

569
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:11,920
adopted
>> nearly a decade ago and and so everybody

570
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:16,559
when they remove the trees falls within
those parameters and you depending on

571
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:21,119
the uh as a community development
director you or whoever is a community

572
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:27,200
development director and pastimes has
some discretion given the topography and

573
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:31,359
the the land the yard whether if it's
too much for that they can actually

574
00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:33,200
donate them to Lacy Park or they just
whatever. There's different options

575
00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:38,880
going on.
>> We actually don't have a provision for

576
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:42,800
uh donating. However, um based on
conditions of the property, which I'm

577
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:48,160
not familiar with, um there could be
some relief. Um the only thing we cannot

578
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:51,599
relief is or provide relief is on the
species

579
00:50:50,319 --> 00:50:55,040
» oaks for oaks
>> and otherwise they go down and we do

580
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:59,440
have a specified list for the remainder
of the trees, right? I mean, so we are

581
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:03,599
trying to do natives or specific ones
that are historically in our city.

582
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:06,160
Correct. You can't pick something exotic
or another palm.

583
00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:09,359
» Typically, a fruit tree will not
suffice.

584
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:14,480
» Okay. And so part of that maybe we need
um communication in terms of a handout

585
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:18,480
that goes out when people pull a tree
removal permit that maybe explains the

586
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:22,400
process and the timing. I just think
generally because it's always something

587
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:25,839
it's a lot of steps to go through. a lot
going on to get a tree removed and to

588
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:32,319
make the um
>> the choices before it goes too far maybe

589
00:51:29,119 --> 00:51:36,000
um also really crystal clear as as
concise I know because our not a lot of

590
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:39,839
people look at our ordinances and know
them as well as you do or we do

591
00:51:38,559 --> 00:51:42,640
» but thank you that's that's the only
thing I wanted to clarify people hear

592
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:47,920
this they understand
>> okay thank you director

593
00:51:45,359 --> 00:51:52,559
um coming back to the public tree
removal list uh council question uh

594
00:51:50,559 --> 00:51:59,119
comments questions comments
Yes. So, I just wanted to highlight um

595
00:51:54,880 --> 00:52:05,359
and ask. So, when we were shown the
tomography um reports, I guess I have to

596
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:11,119
back up. I thought we were pulling those
trees off of any consideration and they

597
00:52:08,079 --> 00:52:16,480
were to be monitored and care. I did not
know that we were at the time of our

598
00:52:13,839 --> 00:52:23,119
June 26
hearing on this and we had our vote. I

599
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:27,359
thought it was that we were going to do
uh I don't know what you call caretaking

600
00:52:25,599 --> 00:52:32,160
on those trees to see what was
appropriate. The testing would be do

601
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:35,920
they need the you know oak fungus
stuff in the soil or do they need what

602
00:52:34,079 --> 00:52:38,640
vitamins they need. I did not know we
were going to get a second round of

603
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:43,599
testing. So maybe there was
misunderstanding on my part about the

604
00:52:40,559 --> 00:52:48,000
process. Um but I thought we had agreed
that the those three first three trees

605
00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:51,680
which are out of order when we look at
the pictures. So, it's kind of

606
00:52:49,359 --> 00:52:55,040
misleading when the second one is really
the third one and the third one that's

607
00:52:53,359 --> 00:53:00,640
in terrible shape is the second one in
our tree list, right? But be that as it

608
00:52:58,240 --> 00:53:08,000
may, there's a big distinction between
tree two and tree. both in terms of how

609
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:13,760
much green or the tomography showed that
it was a healthy trunk and

610
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:18,640
what could be done which I thought was
the focus of the next 6 months to a year

611
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:22,240
whatever until we get another tree
removal. I did not understand that it

612
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:26,160
was and I don't know if council members
did that this was like 60 days later

613
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:31,839
we'd be talking about the same three
trees that we just voted on reserving

614
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:36,720
and monitoring and seeing how they do.
But so I don't know, maybe we need to be

615
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:40,319
more clear at the end of this meeting
tonight as to what a time frame is when

616
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:45,359
we say monitor
>> and we'd like to have trees get care,

617
00:53:43,839 --> 00:53:49,520
particularly some of these oaks that
aren't dead yet. And this is a decision

618
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:52,000
of council to be made, but I thought we
did that at the last and now we have

619
00:53:51,599 --> 00:53:57,839
more.
>> Before we go into the details, what what

620
00:53:54,400 --> 00:54:02,079
what is what are we making a decision on
today

621
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:04,720
» specifically? Yes, mayor. So, um I'm
going to turn it over to the city

622
00:54:03,119 --> 00:54:10,319
attorney in just a second, but the again
as this item is coming back before you

623
00:54:07,119 --> 00:54:15,520
again as a note and file. Um again, as
the council's tree policy and I I

624
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:19,760
understand it, but just as a reminder to
answer your question, mayor, we're not

625
00:54:17,599 --> 00:54:23,359
asking for direction unless the council
would like to provide direction that is

626
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:28,079
in line with what this council's policy
says right now that we bring you the

627
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:33,760
certified arborist reports and the
council reviews it. it would have been

628
00:54:29,839 --> 00:54:37,920
on consent um to be approved. However,
the council's direction back in June was

629
00:54:36,079 --> 00:54:42,559
explicitly to conduct additional testing
and return to the city council um as

630
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:45,520
soon as possible. So, that's why these
three trees are back before you. We

631
00:54:43,839 --> 00:54:51,680
conducted the additional testing or back
before you with um you know 66% the same

632
00:54:49,359 --> 00:54:54,800
recommendation. But if the council has
no alternative direction, it's a note

633
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:59,440
and file and we'll proceed as the tree
policy says it does. If the council

634
00:54:57,119 --> 00:55:04,400
wants to provide different direction
that is uh deviating from the adopted

635
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:09,040
tree policy, we're here to take that and
we can provide context by way of um you

636
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:12,640
know why the tree policy was put into
effect by way of conversations with the

637
00:55:10,559 --> 00:55:17,359
city's insurer liability and those types
of things. Um but again, unless you'd

638
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:21,200
like other direction, this is a note and
file item again um as it [clears throat]

639
00:55:19,599 --> 00:55:25,280
historically has been. So that's
>> right. But I would like to point out

640
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:32,240
that there are specific reasons that
justify removals. Poor condition

641
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:36,880
or some of these other phrases here.
Leaning.

642
00:55:34,720 --> 00:55:41,040
Okay. If we were to remove trees that
lean in this city, we'd remove half of

643
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:46,880
our trees. I mean, literally driving
around. I mean, so this is irrelevant.

644
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:53,359
We have very specific that we expect
residents and we ourselves to the same

645
00:55:49,920 --> 00:56:00,240
standard. A tree is dead. Dead. Dead.
Not gonna die. Not leaning. Not doing

646
00:55:56,559 --> 00:56:04,160
well. Poor condition. Decay.
I'm decaying. We could go back to this.

647
00:56:02,720 --> 00:56:08,240
All of our trees in the city are
decaying. We've been through this. We

648
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:13,520
had meetings with the insurers. I was
part of the original drafter of our tree

649
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:19,359
preservation ordinance. It's been here
for almost a decade. We met with them in

650
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:24,400
the upstairs of the library and hashed
through specific reasons having the

651
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:30,559
arbururst report listing those
publishing away. We're now a model for

652
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:35,200
many other cities who want to preserve
their trees because that's what makes

653
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:40,319
our city. So our policy is to keep trees
unless they're dead. And we ask our

654
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:47,280
residents to do the same. I don't
understand why half of this list and um

655
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:55,520
my uh council member and I are the tree
liaison have 22 trees that 11 or so are

656
00:56:52,400 --> 00:57:01,440
not even dead. So why are we asking our
residents to fall within those specific

657
00:56:58,799 --> 00:57:06,319
conditions if we don't do it ourselves?
These trees withtood the windstorm last

658
00:57:03,839 --> 00:57:10,559
year. These are all standing trees.
We're not like, oh, you know, we don't

659
00:57:08,240 --> 00:57:14,799
care. These are trees that are maybe 100
or 200 years old. Yeah, they look like

660
00:57:12,319 --> 00:57:18,960
crap at times, but also they haven't
gotten it, but whatever. I'm not going

661
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:26,640
to argue about the details, but visual
poor condition is not a reason in our

662
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:31,040
city ever to remove a tree. So, I don't
I don't understand why we even have some

663
00:57:29,119 --> 00:57:35,760
of these. And we went through I know
that Hunter probably did it on his I'm

664
00:57:33,839 --> 00:57:40,079
sorry, Council Member Chang, I shouldn't
use first name, probably did it on his

665
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:43,359
bike and I did it in my car, but we went
and looked at and took pictures of and

666
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:48,559
read the reports down each of these
trees. This is ours to figure out why

667
00:57:46,559 --> 00:57:52,720
some of these and they just like the one
that is asked to be removed, it looks

668
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:58,160
better than it did in January. Well,
yeah, it's not dead. California oaks

669
00:57:55,599 --> 00:58:02,880
don't always look like fresh June bugs.
they go through things particularly if

670
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:09,040
they're older. So I I don't know why
we're as a policy changing our policy.

671
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:13,119
We have rules. We have specific
statements in our tree preservation

672
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:17,200
ordinance and we need to follow those
whether we're the city or whether we're

673
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:21,359
a resident and I'm asking to remove
something from my own yard. We hold

674
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:23,839
people to very high standards for tree
removals.

675
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:27,839
» So it sounds like we're talking by
interpretation of our tree ordinance

676
00:58:25,599 --> 00:58:32,079
here.
Yeah, if if I could. Um,

677
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:36,400
» is that what it Yeah. I mean, there's a
policy that the council has adopted and

678
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:38,319
it says trees will be removed
>> for these five reasons.

679
00:58:37,839 --> 00:58:43,599
» Sure.
>> Um, and so what it sounds like, uh, and

680
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:49,119
I don't want to put words in your mouth.
Uh, it sounds like she's saying is that

681
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:54,319
the reports from the Iris aren't tying
into those five reasons,

682
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:58,160
» right? And so unless they tie directly
into those five reasons,

683
00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:03,359
she does not believe that they should be
removed. And so either the arborist

684
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:08,640
needs to be instructed that the report
should tie more closely to the reasons

685
00:59:05,359 --> 00:59:13,760
in the policy or if the reasons in the
policy aren't aroreally

686
00:59:11,599 --> 00:59:19,280
accurate, maybe the policy should be
revised to reflect conditions that

687
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:24,880
um that an arborist can actually
evaluate rather than asking an arborist

688
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:32,160
to tie into statements that an arborist
wouldn't make about something.

689
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:36,000
And just to the next layer of that um so
there's seven there's seven different

690
00:59:33,599 --> 00:59:39,839
reasons right and I respect council
member shepherd ramy you're the first

691
00:59:37,839 --> 00:59:42,720
the very first reason is that the tree
is dead and then it goes on to say that

692
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:46,720
any one of these as we had this
discussion last meeting if it meets any

693
00:59:44,799 --> 00:59:50,640
one of these other conditions right if
for example um the tree is determined to

694
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:53,839
be a public health and safety hazard
because of insert the reason right

695
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:56,079
» potential for failure due to
considerable dead or dying for branches

696
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:59,119
roots are
>> tr so so we It's specific. Read the

697
00:59:58,079 --> 01:00:02,160
whole sentence.
>> Correct. Correct. Yeah, it's very

698
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:05,920
specific. Or or any one of the other
ones. And so the arborist makes a

699
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:10,000
determination, right? I'll use I'll just
pick a tree that I just um this one that

700
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:15,119
I'm on. Um
>> I guess my question more so, how do we

701
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:19,040
address this without going through this
every year,

702
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:25,599
right? It shouldn't be coming to council
every year for us to be reviewing

703
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:30,559
» the arburous work. The policy says that
there will be a report delivered to the

704
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:34,799
council as a receive and file report.
That's what the policy says right now.

705
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:39,200
So unless that changes, staff has
direction to bring this and put it on

706
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:43,599
your agenda as a receive and file it.
>> And it says the city tree leaison can

707
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:47,440
verify the accuracy of the list and
confirm that the proposed removals are

708
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:53,280
consistent with the requirements of this
policy. That is literally section 7.1 of

709
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:58,240
our city street tree policy. That means
that the liaison which is at this point

710
01:00:55,520 --> 01:01:02,160
council member Chang and I review the
list. It will be different in three

711
01:01:00,559 --> 01:01:07,359
months and they could have a field day
and chop down everything but right now

712
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:11,119
it says that the tree leaison verify the
accuracy of the list and confirm that

713
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:16,079
the proposed removals are consistent.
I'm reading this word for word with the

714
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:21,280
requirements of this policy. It is not a
receive and file. It is not a done deal.

715
01:01:18,799 --> 01:01:25,520
We have a say. It is built into the
ordinance. So that is not right. That is

716
01:01:23,839 --> 01:01:28,799
a misstatement.
>> Okay. Let's let's go around. Council

717
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:34,559
member Chang any
>> Yeah. So um just um to council member

718
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:40,559
Sheper Romney's point. Um I also did
visit each tree and summarized each one

719
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:45,599
um put them into an Excel chart that I
emailed to everybody. I color coded

720
01:01:42,799 --> 01:01:51,119
coded them red where I agree that the
tree looks dead. Um, and it should be

721
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:56,799
removed, which is about 10 of the 22
trees. And I believe council member

722
01:01:54,079 --> 01:02:02,559
Chiparami concurred on the tree is dead
ones. The rest are in the monitor

723
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:06,400
category where I saw leaves, the trunk
looks okay. I mean, I'm not an arborist,

724
01:02:04,559 --> 01:02:10,880
but I mean, I'm looking at the tree.
Yeah, you know, it's leaning, but it's

725
01:02:08,799 --> 01:02:14,960
leaning. It's not harming anything. It
is leaning. There's one on Huntington

726
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:18,799
that looks dead. There's a lot of leaves
on that one, you know, that looks fine.

727
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:24,319
So, that's just some examples. Anyway,
so so the summary I have is is here. I

728
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:29,359
don't know. Um I I'm just recommending
that we the 12 that are colored yellow

729
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:33,599
that we bring back, monitor it for a
year, and then the ones that are colored

730
01:02:31,119 --> 01:02:38,799
red that that they are indeed dead and
we can remove them at this time. That's

731
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:41,799
my recommendation.
El

732
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:50,559
» the um trees that have been um listed on
this list.

733
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:57,520
Um
director Shayen mentioned that the the

734
01:02:52,880 --> 01:03:01,520
city has about 9,500 trees. Um how were
these particular trees um picked out?

735
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:07,599
And I'm sure there was a lot more, but
these are the ones that were identified

736
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:14,400
as requiring requiring
special attention whether for removal or

737
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:18,799
or otherwise. Um any particular reason
that how these were identified as

738
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:24,079
potentially problems?
>> So I would say this year we've um asked

739
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:29,119
the arborist to assess approximately 45
trees. of those trees, about

740
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:33,599
approximately 40% of them are not on the
removal list. Um they were recommended

741
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:38,880
for some maybe maintenance, pruning,
monitoring, additional inspection, um

742
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:43,839
maybe working with the homeowner to
adjust irrigation or remove um planters

743
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:48,079
around the base, things that that
shouldn't be there for the health of the

744
01:03:45,599 --> 01:03:52,400
tree. So, not all of them came forward.
Um the ones that did come forward in

745
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:58,079
terms of responding to your question of
how were they identified um come through

746
01:03:55,039 --> 01:04:02,400
a number of sources. Sometimes it's our
staff that are out and about doing

747
01:04:00,559 --> 01:04:06,240
routine maintenance in the streets or
elsewhere and they see a tree that looks

748
01:04:04,559 --> 01:04:08,559
concerning to them and they're like we
you know obviously we're not the

749
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:12,079
experts. I'm not an arborist. They're
not arborists. And we say can the

750
01:04:10,559 --> 01:04:16,160
arborist assess this? Is there something
we can do? Does it warrant removal?

751
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:20,960
whichever way you know the arborist
would recommend depending on the

752
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:25,359
conditions of the tree. Um so some come
from that way, others come through our

753
01:04:23,039 --> 01:04:30,400
gov or we're transitioning now to PSD
citywide um through our service request

754
01:04:27,839 --> 01:04:35,280
portal. Um residents that either it's
their own front yard trees that they're

755
01:04:32,319 --> 01:04:39,280
concerned about or um they're again just
out and about around the city and

756
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:44,400
they're submitting tickets. Um we do
have a couple residents that frequently

757
01:04:41,119 --> 01:04:47,200
submit those um concerns to us and so we
will go out and take a look at those.

758
01:04:45,839 --> 01:04:51,680
We'll have our staff go look at them
first, say, does it look concerning? If

759
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:55,440
it looks if there's an issue there, then
we'll bring in the arborist and ask them

760
01:04:53,920 --> 01:05:00,559
to assess that tree and make the
determination of again, does it need

761
01:04:58,079 --> 01:05:06,160
some sort of um intervention or
maintenance that might help the tree or

762
01:05:02,799 --> 01:05:10,319
is it um potentially, you know, meeting
one of these seven criteria, whether

763
01:05:07,839 --> 01:05:17,599
it's dead or poses some other safety
hazard um or elsewise um that has been

764
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:21,760
interpreted as meeting the um policy for
recommending removal.

765
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:27,200
Um and that's generally how they come
forward. So through the residents or

766
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:32,079
occasional well yeah predominantly
residents or staff that report them um

767
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:37,520
that we see them when we're doing our
operations or just residents out in the

768
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:43,839
community that have concerns.
>> Thank you. And um I believe that we're

769
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:49,200
all very um
very protective of the trees that are in

770
01:05:45,839 --> 01:05:54,720
San Marino and would like to see them uh
remain in place. Uh but at the same time

771
01:05:51,920 --> 01:06:01,119
I've also have heard of um concerns from
many residents when it comes to u the

772
01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:06,319
safety and in in addition to ju not just
trees that are in these kind of

773
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:11,280
conditions but even with um healthy
trees and I think we may have seen some

774
01:06:08,079 --> 01:06:16,880
examples. I received a message from a
resident um I think it was a magnolia

775
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:22,240
tree that showed a fairly large branch
that had um fallen down and could have

776
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:27,520
potentially caused some balling harm.
But uh from my own personal experience,

777
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:35,039
I have a amber oak in front of my house
and and what I learned from an arborist

778
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:42,799
is that those trees do shed branches
um when they are in some sort of uh

779
01:06:37,599 --> 01:06:48,160
distress. And so, um, when it comes to
trees that whose, um, conditions are

780
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:54,000
compromised, I'm I'm just worried on
some of these where they have large

781
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:59,440
extended branches that are heavy and
whether or not the, um, topography,

782
01:06:57,839 --> 01:07:07,200
tomography,
um, um, evidence that was shown earlier

783
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:12,960
would also compromise um, that situation
and may or may not cause uh those larger

784
01:07:10,559 --> 01:07:21,799
branches to potentially fall and and
they do hopefully uh nobody's in the way

785
01:07:16,319 --> 01:07:21,799
where they could be um hurt or worse.

786
01:07:22,079 --> 01:07:29,599
» Okay. And the So I'm sorry, can you
repeat the question?

787
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:36,480
» So the question is um we've we've seen
large healthy supposedly healthy trees

788
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:41,359
that have so-called shed branches. I'm
just wondering with these trees that we

789
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:46,799
have done some additional analysis
through tomography or sonic tomography

790
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:53,280
uh scanning
would that impact the large heavy

791
01:07:51,119 --> 01:07:58,480
extended branches
I guess is what I'm asking because when

792
01:07:55,280 --> 01:08:05,200
I look at the the uh tomography um
results um

793
01:08:02,799 --> 01:08:10,079
going back to our previous uh council
meeting where We talked about the um

794
01:08:08,319 --> 01:08:14,640
these particular trees and and their
potential removal.

795
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:18,319
I believe what my my recollection and
may not be perfect was that we were

796
01:08:16,319 --> 01:08:24,480
going to um determine whether or not
these can be treated in some manner so

797
01:08:21,199 --> 01:08:30,080
that we can um reverse its current
condition. And I think the demography

798
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:35,759
uh in one particular case with a lot of
red probably is beyond saving. uh the

799
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:41,199
ones that do show a lot of yellow. I
guess my question is one is that

800
01:08:38,719 --> 01:08:48,000
reversible
and two will that compromise the

801
01:08:46,239 --> 01:08:51,759
integrity of the large extended
branches.

802
01:08:49,199 --> 01:08:57,199
» Okay. Um I may not be the most qualified
person. I am not an arborist either. Um

803
01:08:54,960 --> 01:09:03,520
I will say you know based on my
understanding in terms so following the

804
01:08:59,920 --> 01:09:08,239
council's direction in June again we our
understanding was let's go out you know

805
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:13,359
not just do a visual observation um an
inspection of the tree which is what the

806
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:18,719
arburous reports typically are. Um, but
to better understand each of those three

807
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:23,679
trees's conditions and to understand
what may be treatable, not treatable,

808
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:29,279
how bad is the decay, is there anything
we can do. The results of those reports,

809
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:34,239
you know, that testing is in here. Um,
the two trees that showed a little

810
01:09:31,440 --> 01:09:39,920
better both have ganoderma conchs on
them. Um, so to my knowledge, I don't

811
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:44,719
think it's so much reverse reversible
because there's no treatment for that.

812
01:09:41,679 --> 01:09:48,719
it does ultimately continue to decay and
kill the tree in eventuality. I don't

813
01:09:46,799 --> 01:09:52,799
know how long that takes. I think a lot
of it can be determined potentially

814
01:09:50,480 --> 01:09:57,360
from, you know, how the size of the
conchks that are on there obviously is a

815
01:09:55,440 --> 01:10:03,280
better representation of the amount of
decay. Um, but I do have our consulting

816
01:10:00,159 --> 01:10:07,520
arborist here um that I can defer to can
be if you want probably a more technical

817
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:12,640
response than I can provide to you
unless that satisfies your question.

818
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:19,280
Well, I guess my uh thought process is
if

819
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:24,239
the condition of the tree is not going
to improve through treatment uh and then

820
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:29,920
the other consideration is the cost of
that treatment is I think another

821
01:10:27,199 --> 01:10:33,920
another uh consideration. But but if if
the condition is not going to it's just

822
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:40,080
going to continue to deteriorate over
time. Um are we just delaying the

823
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:43,120
inevitable? I guess is my question. If
the condition of tree is eventually

824
01:10:42,239 --> 01:10:45,360
going to
>> die,

825
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:48,560
» whether it's going to take, you know,
another year, two year, tenure, whatever

826
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:52,480
the case may be.
>> Yes, that's my understanding.

827
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:56,880
» And you said the arborist is here. Does
he want to

828
01:10:53,440 --> 01:11:01,280
» Peter is here. Uh this is our consulting
arborist that um has worked a lot with

829
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:05,600
our prior arborist um for the community
development department on private trees

830
01:11:03,679 --> 01:11:09,840
and has been stepping in to assist us
during our vacancy and current

831
01:11:07,199 --> 01:11:12,880
recruitment for a new city arborist. Um
but he is here and he prepared these

832
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:16,480
reports. If you would like him to
address you

833
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:20,719
» please love to um ask you um some
questions. Yes sir.

834
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:23,440
» And would you like to um please
introduce yourself first?

835
01:11:21,679 --> 01:11:28,320
» Yeah my name is Pete Harish. I'm a
consulting arborist. Been doing it for

836
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:33,199
45 years.
>> Uh Mr. Harish, when when um can you talk

837
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:38,640
a little bit about more about your
experience when it comes to um assessing

838
01:11:36,159 --> 01:11:45,199
the condition of the trees that's in
question here? Uh and your

839
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:48,640
recommendation for the removal um based
on your experience, how you came to

840
01:11:47,199 --> 01:11:53,199
those conclusions.
>> Um well, I applaud your efforts to try

841
01:11:51,679 --> 01:11:58,560
to save trees. I think it's very
admirable. Um,

842
01:11:55,920 --> 01:12:03,120
you know, I think you have a lot of risk
with these trees and once they become

843
01:12:00,480 --> 01:12:09,600
defoliated, um, which is the case with
most of those, um, they can't produce

844
01:12:06,159 --> 01:12:14,560
enough energy to defend themselves, um,
so they start getting attacked. They get

845
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:20,640
attacked by fungus,
boring insects. They're basically

846
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:25,199
nature's disposal company um to kind of
take out stressed organisms. So, they

847
01:12:23,199 --> 01:12:29,520
have to get a head start uh because it
takes a long time to break down a huge

848
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:35,760
oak tree. That process has already begun
in my opinion on all of the three oaks.

849
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:40,719
Um I don't think their condition is
reversible

850
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:45,760
uh from my experience. Um and to me, in
my opinion, it's not worth the risk that

851
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:50,239
you're facing. And I'm not here to tell
you what to do with your trees. You're

852
01:12:47,679 --> 01:12:54,960
free, you know, do whatever you want. My
job is to give you my professional

853
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:58,400
opinion. Um my opinion is that you've
got a lot of risk in leaving these trees

854
01:12:56,800 --> 01:13:01,920
and sooner or later something's going to
happen.

855
01:13:00,480 --> 01:13:09,280
» Yeah. So
>> um you mentioned that um these uh trees

856
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:14,640
as their health goes into decline that
uh it tracks certain

857
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:18,800
funguses or fungi or insects or whatever
the case may be.

858
01:13:16,159 --> 01:13:22,239
» Um what's the risk of that spreading to
other trees, let's say healthier trees

859
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:27,360
that
>> well th those organisms are always

860
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:31,199
present. Um it's kind of like the flu
bug. It's always around, but it only

861
01:13:29,440 --> 01:13:34,880
attacks you when you're stressed, right?
You're vulnerable, you're tired, you're

862
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:40,800
you're not eating properly, you get
attacked. Okay. Um, so that's kind of

863
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:44,719
the same the way it is with trees. Um,
so these trees are stressed for certain

864
01:13:42,719 --> 01:13:50,320
reasons, cultivation practices,
overwatering, underwatering.

865
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:55,920
Um, they can't defend themselves from
those organisms. So um those fungi are

866
01:13:53,360 --> 01:14:00,080
always present but they only really
start acting on the tree when a tree is

867
01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:04,400
vulnerable. And the mechanism is
basically starch. So through

868
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:08,800
photosynthesis trees can produce a lot
of starches and that's what they use to

869
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:13,120
fight fungus off. And when they can't
produce enough starch they get attacked.

870
01:14:11,199 --> 01:14:18,480
And boring insects once they get in
there uh they have pherommones that

871
01:14:16,159 --> 01:14:22,320
attract more boring insects and they all
come in there. It's a big party. But I

872
01:14:20,480 --> 01:14:27,040
think you have a lot of risk with
leaving some of those trees. I mean,

873
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:30,239
that's your decision. Um, but I think
you've got a lot of overextended

874
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:36,000
branches with a lot of end weight on
them. And you know, it's not just wind

875
01:14:33,199 --> 01:14:40,400
that causes tree failures, it's heat. I
used to get more emergency calls uh

876
01:14:38,159 --> 01:14:45,840
during heat waves than any other time.
Um, I think you just had a tree failure

877
01:14:43,440 --> 01:14:50,000
here couple weeks ago when it was really
hot. Um,

878
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:54,560
I owned a tree care company for 36
years. A matter of fact, I used to trim

879
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:59,679
trees for you guys years ago. Um, so
I've had a lot of experience with um,

880
01:14:57,040 --> 01:15:04,400
tree failure and tree failure cleanup,
you know. Um, you got a lot of

881
01:15:02,239 --> 01:15:08,640
liability, I think, keeping these trees.
That's something you got to consider.

882
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:14,400
Um, I admire your efforts in keeping
trees. I think it's very admirable and

883
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:17,679
uh, but I think you got to take a hard
look at the liability.

884
01:15:18,719 --> 01:15:27,440
You mentioned weight um on some of these
and I know that you know we've got

885
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:30,400
different trees and so it's hard to um
uh to estimate you know some of the

886
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:36,159
weight of some of these extended
branches without pointing the specific

887
01:15:32,159 --> 01:15:39,920
tree but um but we are talking several
hundred pounds. So is that correct?

888
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:44,880
» Well it's the weight on the extremities
that has more effective you know because

889
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:49,280
of leverage. Um, so a lot of these
extremities need to be reduced. If

890
01:15:46,480 --> 01:15:54,320
you're going to retain these trees, I I
would suggest that you do some uh endway

891
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:57,679
pruning. Uh, otherwise, you know, I
think you're going to have some issues.

892
01:15:56,239 --> 01:16:01,040
You know,
>> you read my mind. I was going to ask,

893
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:05,600
you know, does it make sense
>> uh to minimize the risk of some of these

894
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:11,440
trees um hurting people or hurting
property um to to trim them back uh and

895
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:18,640
leave,
>> you know, the trunk of the tree uh where

896
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:23,360
it's at and and try to salvage the tree
for however long it's going to live

897
01:16:21,199 --> 01:16:26,880
before it ultimately dies. since it
sounds like

898
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:31,679
» some of these trees may not um
>> go back to a a more healthy condition,

899
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:36,000
» but it it based on what I heard just
now, uh that would be also another

900
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:42,800
recommendation if we don't remove the
trees to at least um trim them back so

901
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:46,560
that those branches uh won't be a
potential um harmful Yeah.

902
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:49,600
» impact to the uh community.
>> I think it'll lower the risk. It's not

903
01:16:48,159 --> 01:16:54,719
going to remove it, but I think it would
lower the risk. But those ganoderma

904
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:59,600
comps are it they're pretty common and
there's no cure for them. And they're

905
01:16:57,120 --> 01:17:03,360
really small usually uh when they're
really big there's a lot of decay

906
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:07,600
associated with them. When they're small
they're usually just beginning. I have a

907
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:12,480
lot of you know high-end clients that I
do tomography year-over-year. So I track

908
01:17:10,719 --> 01:17:17,360
the decay progression when they have
those. So I know a lot about it. Um the

909
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:20,480
ones that we're talking about here
they're they're small comps. Um

910
01:17:19,199 --> 01:17:25,760
eventually it's going to be a death
sentence and eventually it's going to be

911
01:17:22,719 --> 01:17:30,320
a structural uh issue. The tree will
fail eventually if left alone.

912
01:17:29,679 --> 01:17:33,960
» Thank you.
>> Okay, vice mayor.

913
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:41,840
So just to follow up with uh
Charles's uh questions and so to your uh

914
01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:46,560
opinion for for experience of course
those trees like like you just mentioned

915
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:52,000
it's beyond it's not reversible and then
beyond just pluming alone would not

916
01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:56,239
would not would not be a solution. It
would reduce the risk but it's not gonna

917
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:59,360
» it's actually could aggravate the
problem too because it's a stressful

918
01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:04,239
process. You know pruning is not good
for trees. It's a necessary evil.

919
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:08,320
» Um, and you are stressing it even more
by doing that. But I think the risk that

920
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:13,920
you're up against
>> and to your knowledge, are you able for

921
01:18:11,440 --> 01:18:18,000
example, you know, beside besides the
three big trees, the the others, you

922
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:22,400
know, of course on the the other 19
trees and half of them are dead. That

923
01:18:20,480 --> 01:18:29,440
that's no question. And the the other
half it's either declining or or is a

924
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:37,040
serious decay. And those
those trees if we you know try to keep

925
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:44,080
it or or try to try to do something to
save it you know grooming it or or doing

926
01:18:40,159 --> 01:18:48,719
some you know uh uh medication or
how long do you think you know if it

927
01:18:46,719 --> 01:18:54,320
works or it doesn't work how long would
it take if we don't see or we can see

928
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:57,840
any result if we try to save it for one
last time

929
01:18:55,440 --> 01:19:02,080
» I have yeah I That would have be a case
byase basis. I'm not sure about that.

930
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:04,560
» I think a lot of these trees are already
dying

931
01:19:03,199 --> 01:19:08,400
» because they're not producing enough.
They're using more energy than they're

932
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:12,880
bringing in. They're already actively
dying in my opinion.

933
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:16,640
» And usually when the tree is dying, how
long do they see?

934
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:22,000
» Sometimes they can hang on for years.
They produce adventitious roots when the

935
01:19:19,199 --> 01:19:26,000
whole lateral root system has been eaten
away and they produce adventitious roots

936
01:19:24,480 --> 01:19:30,880
and they just hang on and they still
have green on them but there's no

937
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:36,239
stability at all. And I've seen that
many times in my career where

938
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:40,800
large oak where the whole root system's
been eaten away and the only thing

939
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:44,880
really holding it up is the balance that
the branches provide. And if one of

940
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:48,960
those branches breaks away shortly
after, I've seen several times where the

941
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:53,600
whole tree will topple because it really
didn't have enough roots to stand on its

942
01:19:50,640 --> 01:20:00,239
own if it weren't for that balance, you
know. So,

943
01:19:55,600 --> 01:20:05,920
you got some risk to think about.
Thank you. You know, as a well, as a

944
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:10,400
yourself, I believe you have, you know,
well, a passion and love with all this

945
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:14,239
plants. So do us. You know people in
summer know we love our trees. Of

946
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:20,080
course, we're evaluating the balance
between safety and we and and and of

947
01:20:17,199 --> 01:20:25,280
course the should protect all this to
preserve all this trees and we're trying

948
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:29,760
to find a balance and hopefully
uh through your opinion we we're able to

949
01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:35,280
save some of the trees if by prrooming
it to you know to certain extent not to

950
01:20:32,239 --> 01:20:41,120
hurt it and to see if can come back to
life and in your opinion may if we do

951
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:44,400
that can some of this tree come back to
life? Well, I was honestly I was

952
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:49,440
surprised with the tree on Cambridge,
1430 Cambridge. I was really pleasantly

953
01:20:46,719 --> 01:20:55,040
surprised that it had sprouted back.
>> It may have a chance, but um I think you

954
01:20:52,480 --> 01:20:58,800
have to watch it closely.
I do believe those branches, just like

955
01:20:56,800 --> 01:21:03,040
you were saying, are way overextended
over Monterey Road. Like I get scared

956
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:08,320
driving under that thing. Just a matter
of time before one of those fail. And

957
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:15,600
that's irregardless of its condition. Um
I think that really Yeah. Yeah. There's

958
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:20,640
a lot of trees around town like that
that are healthy, but they have poor

959
01:21:18,480 --> 01:21:23,880
structure in my
>> Thank you.

960
01:21:24,239 --> 01:21:30,880
» Okay. Um
I'm just going to take a step back on

961
01:21:29,440 --> 01:21:34,800
this one and I'm just trying to figure
out what we need to do here. And from

962
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:41,280
what I'm hearing, I think it's going to
be very selective, subjective

963
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:45,280
to different people.
I don't know if the step here is we have

964
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:50,400
to update our policy, bring more
clarity. I mean, from what I'm seeing to

965
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:57,280
keep it from us as a council governing
body, it seems like it should be more of

966
01:21:53,520 --> 01:22:01,280
a policy shift or hired professional
problem or whatever it is. We have to

967
01:21:59,199 --> 01:22:06,000
make a decision there. But I'm just
concerned that this can be I guess

968
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:10,000
what's the difference when we're tree
leison and we become regular residents

969
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:15,199
with the same opinions,
right? And the same opinions on certain

970
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:20,400
trees or if the arborist did a good job.
Um I think that's the concern. If we

971
01:22:17,199 --> 01:22:25,120
need to tighten up our verbiage, I don't
know, detail out more in the policy, I

972
01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:30,880
think that's what we should probably do.
Um I I don't I mean otherwise we can sit

973
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:36,560
here and talk for hours. I just don't
see what we're working towards.

974
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:42,639
And that way it'll give
everyone comfort here and then I know

975
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:47,040
for Amber and Barbara clear direction in
terms of how to operate otherwise we're

976
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:51,760
just going to be stuck in this loop
picking at the list. Right. I mean even

977
01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:57,360
the verbiage I'm not sure I haven't read
exactly but the even the tree leaison

978
01:22:54,480 --> 01:23:02,000
what their exact right I heard the word
review

979
01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:07,040
but I don't know
the rest of that how that reads out

980
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:10,159
again it becomes a legal legal ease kind
of thing

981
01:23:07,679 --> 01:23:13,760
» right um mayor I appreciate that that
guidance so it sounds to me and I think

982
01:23:12,239 --> 01:23:18,320
if I'm interpreting council sheepard
Romney's um concern so help me with this

983
01:23:16,480 --> 01:23:22,239
the section that we're tightening up is
not necessarily the liaison's review

984
01:23:20,480 --> 01:23:27,120
portion, but there seems to be concern
over the criteria with which we're

985
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:31,040
using. Right. So, the bullet points are
the ones that the council may want to

986
01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:34,000
look at and say,
>> it sounds like both to me, right? It

987
01:23:32,719 --> 01:23:36,080
sounds like the
>> You're right. I think you're bringing up

988
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:39,760
the process,
>> right?

989
01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:42,800
» What is the purpose of the liaison where
it is,

990
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:47,600
» right? In this consulting, we used to
get the list ahead of time and then we

991
01:23:45,679 --> 01:23:51,040
give the comments back and then there's
more time than what we have right now,

992
01:23:49,199 --> 01:23:55,120
which we're doing it all here and that
was not the process before. These last

993
01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:57,440
two are different than normal.
>> Okay.

994
01:23:55,520 --> 01:24:02,480
» Okay. But I'm just saying so maybe that
needs to spell out if we if if it's

995
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:08,080
continuing if there's a consensus as to
how the process would work better um for

996
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:12,239
the liaison to get it ahead of time and
communicate back their observations

997
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:19,280
because we're in agreement about the
list keeping some on um you know even

998
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:25,440
among them but so and then also there's
what uh um city manager is bringing up

999
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:29,679
is section 72 which provides the policy
is justifications for tree tree removals

1000
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:30,880
and there's seven reasons specified
there.

1001
01:24:30,480 --> 01:24:34,400
» Okay,
>> the first is the tree is dead, but then

1002
01:24:32,719 --> 01:24:37,520
there's other ones. Overmature,
declining health, death within a year.

1003
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:41,280
Okay,
>> tree is infected with a pathogen that

1004
01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:44,800
cannot be cured, blah blah blah. So,
there are specifics, but if we need to

1005
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:47,840
talk through that and bring it forward,
>> I guess it sounds like there's still

1006
01:24:46,159 --> 01:24:51,040
going to always be a level of
>> Yeah.

1007
01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:54,960
» unclarity there where, you know, um but
if we need to tighten it up, maybe we do

1008
01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:59,280
that. I don't know. I mean, I I do
agree. I I I've heard both sides. I

1009
01:24:57,600 --> 01:25:03,440
think it all makes sense. Everyone makes
sense. Policy, I understand. You got to

1010
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:06,400
follow policy. I understand
professionals. We got to trust

1011
01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:10,960
professionals, insurance, all that
stuff. But I think we just need to This

1012
01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:16,400
seems like if it's with us, it's a
policy thing that we need to tidy up and

1013
01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:22,159
update, right? Instead of
>> Correct. It's So, this is entirely We're

1014
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:26,560
» to be honest, mayor, council members,
right? You know this, we work at your

1015
01:25:23,679 --> 01:25:31,120
pleasure um to carry out your policies.
Um this report in the last several and

1016
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:35,600
all of them that have come before you
over the last few several years since

1017
01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:39,360
the policy was adopted, staff um have
been operating under the um pretense

1018
01:25:38,159 --> 01:25:45,440
that they were complying with the
policy. It sounds like um the council

1019
01:25:42,719 --> 01:25:51,440
would like to either we're not complying
with the policy or the policy would like

1020
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:56,480
to be changed. whichever one is true. Um
our balance here on on balance, right?

1021
01:25:54,320 --> 01:26:02,639
We're trying to balance um the
recommendations of um the arborist, the

1022
01:26:00,639 --> 01:26:05,600
licensed professional with the the
policy that the council has in place

1023
01:26:04,159 --> 01:26:10,639
with the third pillar of the stool,
which is um our responsibility to manage

1024
01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:15,679
liability and public safety.
>> Um and so this report before you is our

1025
01:26:13,679 --> 01:26:20,320
best balance of those three things,
right? um complying with the policy. We

1026
01:26:18,480 --> 01:26:23,679
truly believe that the report before you
complies with the city's policy, the

1027
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:26,960
council's policy on tree removals. If we
missed it and we got it wrong, we're

1028
01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:32,080
happy to go back and look at it again.
Or if the council says, "No, you got it

1029
01:26:28,719 --> 01:26:35,760
right, but I don't like this the
outcome, right? What you baked, I don't

1030
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:41,920
like how it tastes, do it again." Um we
can do that. Um or, you know, we don't,

1031
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:46,239
right? We don't do this type of work
anymore. Um there is that as well. If

1032
01:26:44,719 --> 01:26:53,760
there's a disagreement with this list
right now, the immediate thing is are

1033
01:26:49,679 --> 01:26:58,080
they I guess are we making a motion or
move to exclude certain trees and that's

1034
01:26:56,239 --> 01:27:00,080
what we're going to be making a decision
on

1035
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:03,440
» that that's what you did last time
right?

1036
01:27:01,199 --> 01:27:07,760
» So I guess if that's the case then do
either of you want to make a specific

1037
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:12,159
and and I would just I believe there's
one tree that is in proximity to

1038
01:27:10,159 --> 01:27:17,679
» Right. So I have to remove myself in
regards to

1039
01:27:14,480 --> 01:27:20,639
the third oak, but the tree number two
on the list.

1040
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:24,000
» So, if you're going to make a motion,
you might

1041
01:27:22,480 --> 01:27:26,800
» if there's a motion to be made, why
don't one of you make a motion and then

1042
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:30,159
we could just
>> and we can also talk about then

1043
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:37,120
» make a vote or Yeah.
>> look at the um tree ordinance and the

1044
01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:40,480
process to help clarify.
>> That could probably follow up then,

1045
01:27:38,239 --> 01:27:44,159
right? we decide on a whatever motion
today for whatever is in front of us

1046
01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:46,400
then we can do a followup for the
updated policy

1047
01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:49,360
» and have a discussion about that
>> whatever the council's pleasure

1048
01:27:47,440 --> 01:27:52,320
absolutely we're happy to do it you've
heard you know our concerns the risk

1049
01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:54,000
we're happy to do whatever you'd like
absolutely

1050
01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:57,040
» all in one motion
>> yeah whatever yeah whatever you have in

1051
01:27:55,679 --> 01:28:00,800
» two motion then just for the record the
tree specifically I know we have a

1052
01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:02,239
numbering discrepancy but the tree
specifically

1053
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:05,360
» first
>> 1101 Lraine

1054
01:28:03,440 --> 01:28:08,400
» 1101 Lraine is the tree that uh
councilor Shepard Ronnie will be

1055
01:28:06,560 --> 01:28:11,520
recusing herself from so Right. And
that's tree number two on the list of

1056
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:15,199
22.
>> Yes.

1057
01:28:13,440 --> 01:28:20,239
» You want
>> Yeah, you want

1058
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:27,040
» Okay. Um I'll make a motion
to um remove the trees.

1059
01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:34,600
Um
3 6 [snorts] 7 8 9 12

1060
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:45,360
» 14
>> 14 16 18 19 20 and 21.

1061
01:28:43,199 --> 01:28:48,600
» I'll second that motion.
>> Roll call.

1062
01:28:48,639 --> 01:28:52,320
» Council member Cheng.
>> Yes.

1063
01:28:50,320 --> 01:28:54,960
» Council member Chowo.
>> No.

1064
01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:56,239
Vice Mayor Low.
>> Yes.

1065
01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:59,360
» Mayor Cho.
>> No.

1066
01:28:57,360 --> 01:29:03,679
» Oh, that I could vote on that one.
>> Council member Shepard

1067
01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:07,320
» and then I'll leave for or whatever.
I'll step off the D.

1068
01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:21,840
» So, the question remains about the other
trees on the list. One, two, four, five,

1069
01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:26,480
10, 11, 13, 15, 17, and 22.
All

1070
01:29:23,840 --> 01:29:29,360
right. What was the
>> right? Okay. So, are you specifically

1071
01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:31,120
talking about the tree on Lraine now?
>> Yes.

1072
01:29:29,760 --> 01:29:36,199
» Okay. So, we're specifically talking
about tree 1101 Lraine.

1073
01:29:33,199 --> 01:29:36,199
» Okay.

1074
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:48,080
» So, what staff are looking for is either
a motion to um remove to keep the tree

1075
01:29:46,080 --> 01:29:51,600
because the as the report reads, no
action will result in the removal of

1076
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:55,040
that tree. So, if there's a motion to
remove that tree, that's what staff are

1077
01:29:53,600 --> 01:30:02,880
going to look for direction for. If not,
we can move to the rest of the list.

1078
01:29:58,639 --> 01:30:07,120
» Are we willing to uh consider
trimming back some of the extended

1079
01:30:04,480 --> 01:30:13,360
branches as another option or I mean, is
it either remove or don't remove or is

1080
01:30:09,679 --> 01:30:15,679
there a third option to to um trim it
back?

1081
01:30:14,239 --> 01:30:18,880
» It's at the council's pleasure. You
heard that,

1082
01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:23,040
» right? You know, Mr. Mr. Harish
mentioned that, you know, trimming the

1083
01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:26,080
tree may cause additional stress, I
think were your exact words. So,

1084
01:30:24,719 --> 01:30:30,000
whatever the council wants to do, I'm
not, again, I'm not the arborist. It's

1085
01:30:27,679 --> 01:30:36,719
not what I studied, but um if you want
to try that out again in the balance of

1086
01:30:33,040 --> 01:30:40,639
um tree preservation, liability, and you
know, the recommendation, whatever you'd

1087
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:43,360
like to do, we're happy to do it.
>> And then the question would be how much

1088
01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:48,239
of it are we trimming? Are you going to
let it if that's the route you go? Are

1089
01:30:46,480 --> 01:30:52,719
you comfortable leaving it at our hands?
Because we if we trim it, just know that

1090
01:30:50,320 --> 01:30:57,760
there is going to be a trunk standing.
>> We're not the special. Right.

1091
01:30:54,080 --> 01:31:04,239
» Right. So, let let me try this.
>> I move to remove tree number two 1101

1092
01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:09,360
Lorraine row from this list and keep it
on a monitor status.

1093
01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:13,280
» Doing anything.
>> This is the removal list, right? So,

1094
01:31:11,440 --> 01:31:17,040
we're removing it from the list means it
won't be removed.

1095
01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:19,920
» Removing from the removal list. So, two
negatives, we're we're keeping it.

1096
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:23,280
» Correct.
>> Removing it from the removal list.

1097
01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:27,760
» And his
>> and his action has no his his motion is

1098
01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:30,719
not requesting any trimming.
>> Right.

1099
01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:37,679
» It's just to monitor it till the next
time we meet on the trees, which is next

1100
01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:42,080
year, right?
>> Second.

1101
01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:45,840
I'll second that since that was a you
know

1102
01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:47,760
» I think we last time that was the
agreement so

1103
01:31:46,639 --> 01:31:52,600
» remove it from the removal list.
>> Yes. So I'll I'll second that.

1104
01:31:54,480 --> 01:31:58,400
» Roll call.
>> Council member Chang.

1105
01:31:57,440 --> 01:32:04,320
» Yes.
>> Council member Chowo.

1106
01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:06,400
» So we're just voting on whether to just
not remove it.

1107
01:32:05,280 --> 01:32:09,280
» Correct. Keep the tree or not? The
motion. The motion is to keep the tree.

1108
01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:12,239
But we're not saying what we're going to
do about the tree.

1109
01:32:10,719 --> 01:32:16,360
» Correct. And if you wanted to introduce
a substitute motion, you could.

1110
01:32:18,480 --> 01:32:28,000
» I like would like to uh I guess amend
that motion to to at least

1111
01:32:24,880 --> 01:32:31,760
uh mitigate some of the risks of because
that is a tree that I want to take a

1112
01:32:29,679 --> 01:32:35,440
look at in some of the and and kind of
and what Mr. Harish had mentioned not

1113
01:32:34,239 --> 01:32:39,840
just that tree but other trees. You
know, as you're driving down some of the

1114
01:32:37,199 --> 01:32:46,880
streets that have large branches that
that almost completely grow across the

1115
01:32:43,679 --> 01:32:51,280
street. I I do look at those and you
know have imagined um other trees that

1116
01:32:49,600 --> 01:32:54,639
I've seen that have toppled over and
blocked a street.

1117
01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:57,120
» That's the motion.
>> So

1118
01:32:55,199 --> 01:33:01,679
» that's another
So I guess what shall I do then? Should

1119
01:32:59,440 --> 01:33:04,880
I make it amend a motion to
>> let's first vote on this one, right?

1120
01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:08,000
» Yeah. Let's finish this one.
>> Let's finish up this motion to remove it

1121
01:33:06,480 --> 01:33:10,000
from the removal.
>> Remove it from the removal list. So it

1122
01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:14,000
stays.
>> Yes. Yes. No. No. So now what?

1123
01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:15,520
» No. I don't She hasn't called the role.
It did. We already

1124
01:33:15,199 --> 01:33:18,320
» No.
>> No. So we have So there was a yes. You

1125
01:33:17,679 --> 01:33:22,159
called.
>> Then

1126
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:24,159
» yes. Council member Chang said yes. And
then the next vote was to council member

1127
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:29,520
Chow. Member
>> Chowo. No.

1128
01:33:27,520 --> 01:33:31,280
» No.
So the motion dies.

1129
01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:33,840
» Motion dies.
>> That's a tie.

1130
01:33:32,080 --> 01:33:36,880
» So wait, does that mean the tree is
going to be removed now? Because it's

1131
01:33:35,280 --> 01:33:41,199
staying on the removal list.
>> Yes.

1132
01:33:38,080 --> 01:33:44,639
» Yes, that's what it means.
>> That you're

1133
01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:47,600
» Well, first we want to take it off the
list and then do whatever you want to do

1134
01:33:46,960 --> 01:33:51,199
with it.
>> Well, we can open up for discussion. Why

1135
01:33:49,360 --> 01:33:55,679
don't we do that? You want to discuss?
>> Why don't you make a point? I I think

1136
01:33:54,080 --> 01:34:00,960
the first thing is to get it off this
list because this is these are the trees

1137
01:33:57,600 --> 01:34:04,480
coming down on on the list. So we we
don't want to remove it. So let's take

1138
01:34:02,480 --> 01:34:08,800
it off the list first and then we can do
whatever you can suggest another motion

1139
01:34:06,639 --> 01:34:13,600
on what we how we should proceed. So
that's his point. Anything to add?

1140
01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:18,719
» So we're voting on whether or not to
take that off the list and then decide

1141
01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:23,520
what we're going to do about that tree.
>> Already voted remove it

1142
01:34:20,719 --> 01:34:25,679
» on that motion. But it didn't pass.
>> Uhhuh. Pass.

1143
01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:27,679
» So there's no motion on the floor right
now.

1144
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:30,080
» No motion voting on anything until
somebody makes a motion.

1145
01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:32,480
» So what now?
>> Do you have any other comments?

1146
01:34:31,360 --> 01:34:36,880
» No. Oh, you have
>> vice mayor.

1147
01:34:33,440 --> 01:34:39,760
» Then so then I'll make another just, you
know,

1148
01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:45,040
» com. Why don't you make any comments
first if you maybe sway one of these

1149
01:34:42,719 --> 01:34:50,560
guys? you know, keeping a list but
closely monitoring it, you know, and

1150
01:34:47,600 --> 01:34:56,960
then if we can do anything to mitigate
the risk since it's mentioned and then

1151
01:34:53,440 --> 01:35:01,120
from from from the report
seems like the red part, you know,

1152
01:34:59,520 --> 01:35:06,800
smaller than the other one that's needed
to be removed and it has immediate risk

1153
01:35:04,239 --> 01:35:12,080
right away. So, seems like we we have
time for that. So I would like to give

1154
01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:14,800
it another chance but just for that tree
alone

1155
01:35:12,880 --> 01:35:20,480
» and but we should do something yes to
mitigate risk. So, so that's my you know

1156
01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:24,159
keep it on the list but we should do
something even at minimum we should do

1157
01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:27,520
something and give it a little time and
closely watch it to make sure it doesn't

1158
01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:32,000
fall since
>> I know it takes more manpower more

1159
01:35:29,840 --> 01:35:37,679
resource we'll see but you know just to
show how much you know we we we do value

1160
01:35:34,719 --> 01:35:41,440
our trees in in summary you know
assisting

1161
01:35:38,960 --> 01:35:48,080
» okay and just just to rationalize my my
decision here on both it's I don't

1162
01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:52,880
I don't want to be liable for for being
this expert that I'm not and I'm leaning

1163
01:35:50,960 --> 01:35:59,800
to trust on our experts. That's really
what my vote comes down to. So, if you

1164
01:35:55,760 --> 01:35:59,800
anyone wants to make another motion,

1165
01:36:07,040 --> 01:36:12,560
» so since the last motion was a tie, what
does that mean? Where

1166
01:36:11,280 --> 01:36:16,000
» motion fails, right?
>> Motion fails. So someone someone can

1167
01:36:14,639 --> 01:36:20,480
introduce another motion if you'd like
now or if at whatever the presiding

1168
01:36:18,560 --> 01:36:24,000
officer says there's no motion on the
floor. We'll move on.

1169
01:36:23,440 --> 01:36:28,239
» So if there's
>> Yeah, if you have another motion if if

1170
01:36:26,000 --> 01:36:35,506
you want to clarify
more on what you're thinking and that'll

1171
01:36:31,920 --> 01:36:40,400
change you that change your decision.
[laughter] That's what it comes down to.

1172
01:36:37,360 --> 01:36:44,639
I guess my motion would be to
explore

1173
01:36:42,239 --> 01:36:49,840
the option of trimming back some of the
extended branches to minimize any

1174
01:36:47,679 --> 01:36:55,156
potential
risk or um damage or harm.

1175
01:36:53,840 --> 01:36:59,280
» Okay. So just for clarification
[clears throat] so staff has clear

1176
01:36:57,760 --> 01:37:05,520
direction
is the is the motion to explore which

1177
01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:10,320
means they will study it and then come
back to you or is the motion to delegate

1178
01:37:08,480 --> 01:37:15,320
to staff
trim the tree in lie of removing the

1179
01:37:12,320 --> 01:37:15,320
tree

1180
01:37:21,440 --> 01:37:25,440
staff wants to implement what you guys
want us to do. We just don't know what

1181
01:37:24,320 --> 01:37:28,880
you want us to do.
>> So, if you want us to study it more and

1182
01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:33,119
come back with other options, that's one
motion. If you want us to don't cut it

1183
01:37:30,880 --> 01:37:37,080
down, but trim it instead, that's a
second that's a different motion.

1184
01:37:39,040 --> 01:37:46,400
» I'm inclined to just make a motion to to
trim the the branches. I I believe the

1185
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:51,280
um
information that was provided by our

1186
01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:56,960
arborist was was
does uh explain what we're what the city

1187
01:37:54,000 --> 01:38:00,560
faces if we don't do anything. and and
the fact that when you look at the size

1188
01:37:58,719 --> 01:38:05,360
and weight of these of these extended
branches that um a risk of failure

1189
01:38:03,920 --> 01:38:10,760
especially given the condition of the
tree that could potentially

1190
01:38:11,360 --> 01:38:20,159
create some
great harm. And so um if nothing else uh

1191
01:38:16,719 --> 01:38:24,560
given the condition I I would like to
make a motion then to trim back the

1192
01:38:22,159 --> 01:38:27,880
branches.
We have a second

1193
01:38:32,159 --> 01:38:40,719
» and
so and then to closely monitor it within

1194
01:38:37,119 --> 01:38:44,440
certain timeline is that I don't know if
>> so amending the motion

1195
01:38:44,639 --> 01:38:48,960
» because now we're doing something but I
don't know what's the next right

1196
01:38:48,320 --> 01:38:51,360
» so
>> monitoring

1197
01:38:49,679 --> 01:38:57,360
» we trimmed it and then
>> correct so monitoring trees is its own

1198
01:38:54,080 --> 01:39:01,360
uh completely different. Um,
>> but after we trim it then and then

1199
01:38:59,520 --> 01:39:04,000
» Right. It's correct.
>> You're bringing up a great point, Vice

1200
01:39:02,560 --> 01:39:09,760
Mayor. And so after we trim it, then we
will it'll stay until it does one of two

1201
01:39:06,560 --> 01:39:11,760
things. It either falls, fails. If if
that happens, right? Just like any one

1202
01:39:11,199 --> 01:39:16,159
of us.
>> It doesn't take away the risk to the

1203
01:39:14,880 --> 01:39:19,920
trade itself to the president.
>> Correct. And we'll keep an eye on it.

1204
01:39:17,600 --> 01:39:24,320
Staff, our staff, we'll keep an eye on
it as best we can. And if we see a

1205
01:39:21,520 --> 01:39:28,880
condition that uh raises extreme
concern, you know, if we see the conchk

1206
01:39:26,639 --> 01:39:33,600
or something else a whole open up, we'll
go out there. Um why I'm saying this

1207
01:39:31,600 --> 01:39:37,679
very specifically is our staff will do
that. I'm trying to balance, you know,

1208
01:39:35,840 --> 01:39:41,679
with all due respect, Mr. Harish, I I
don't want to continue to have to pay,

1209
01:39:40,080 --> 01:39:45,119
you know, thousands and thousands of
dollars every month to monitor the

1210
01:39:43,520 --> 01:39:48,880
trees. You know, as you're suggesting, I
want to make sure that we define if um I

1211
01:39:47,040 --> 01:39:52,800
know council member uh Chang, as you
said, monitor the other trees. we define

1212
01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:56,159
that it is, you know, our staff going
out there to monitor the trees. They're

1213
01:39:54,639 --> 01:40:00,480
not trained professionals, but we're
going to look for what we can. Um or if

1214
01:39:58,880 --> 01:40:05,040
the council's interested in setting up
an appropriation for additional funding

1215
01:40:02,719 --> 01:40:11,280
for the monitoring or a monitoring
program, um we you instruct us to do

1216
01:40:08,480 --> 01:40:15,600
that, right? Um we need to have that
conversation simultaneously. So, I just

1217
01:40:13,360 --> 01:40:18,400
Yes.
>> Correct. I mean the monitoring and

1218
01:40:17,040 --> 01:40:22,960
treatment you know as you saw the cost
for just the sonic tomography was $1,800

1219
01:40:20,960 --> 01:40:26,560
a year. One other question because
earlier u Mr.

1220
01:40:24,719 --> 01:40:30,800
uh mentioned that heat can have some
effect to the and take taking that the

1221
01:40:29,520 --> 01:40:35,440
extreme [clears throat] weather would be
make may be facing especially elenials

1222
01:40:33,119 --> 01:40:40,560
coming what about the rain if there's
heavy rain could that be potential risk

1223
01:40:38,239 --> 01:40:45,600
to any trees that's not properly
maintained or

1224
01:40:42,239 --> 01:40:50,800
» yes most of our emergency callouts um
when we have had limbs that have fallen

1225
01:40:48,159 --> 01:40:56,400
or whole tree failures have been heat
related or storm related or wind related

1226
01:40:53,840 --> 01:40:59,520
But the rain certainly um
>> definitely

1227
01:40:57,040 --> 01:41:02,400
» can be a contributing factor to a
failure

1228
01:41:00,080 --> 01:41:06,960
» something not just leave it there since
it's already you know that's that's my

1229
01:41:04,480 --> 01:41:11,280
concern since we keep we decided to keep
it because since like it still has some

1230
01:41:08,960 --> 01:41:16,320
chance you know the the red part is not
like the other one and like well when a

1231
01:41:14,400 --> 01:41:21,800
doctor sees a patient still breathing I
don't want to just kill it rightology

1232
01:41:19,780 --> 01:41:21,800
[laughter and gasps]

1233
01:41:22,480 --> 01:41:30,239
which we We treat trees like family
grand. Sorry, that's a seminal thing.

1234
01:41:26,719 --> 01:41:34,880
So, but but but again, we don't want to
just leave it there, especially knowing

1235
01:41:32,400 --> 01:41:39,360
what we we may be encountering or
facing. So,

1236
01:41:36,400 --> 01:41:43,760
» that was the recommendation, but I mean,
>> can I can I summarize I think what I

1237
01:41:41,600 --> 01:41:50,400
hear. So, you're saying trim the tree
and have staff monitor the tree for till

1238
01:41:48,560 --> 01:41:54,080
the next reporting period. see if
there's improvement or still

1239
01:41:52,239 --> 01:41:57,800
» and report on the condition at the next
reporting period.

1240
01:41:58,800 --> 01:42:04,320
» We can keep it on the tree removal
report and bring back uh visual

1241
01:42:02,159 --> 01:42:09,360
observations uh once the tree is trimmed
and keep reporting back. Um it'll just

1242
01:42:07,119 --> 01:42:14,880
be on the tree removal
list. So there's a question there,

1243
01:42:12,159 --> 01:42:20,000
right? we would report back and
when we see it have something else that

1244
01:42:17,440 --> 01:42:22,480
we believe is another risk, we're likely
going to have this same conversation

1245
01:42:21,280 --> 01:42:24,080
again,
>> right?

1246
01:42:22,800 --> 01:42:29,280
» So, if we're okay with that, that's
fine. We we'll keep it on that list or

1247
01:42:26,239 --> 01:42:33,679
leave it off the list
until such period that we see it reach a

1248
01:42:32,000 --> 01:42:37,679
point that
now it's an emergency. And at emergency

1249
01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:42,080
level, we probably won't have the time
to wait for a council meeting, right? Um

1250
01:42:40,159 --> 01:42:43,600
if an emergency we see it leaning on a
Monday.

1251
01:42:43,119 --> 01:42:47,600
» Oh yeah.
>> It's coming out that afternoon. I just

1252
01:42:46,159 --> 01:42:51,920
want to be transparent with the council
as long as we're all on the same page.

1253
01:42:49,920 --> 01:42:58,880
Monitoring if we see something there has
to be that trust with staff

1254
01:42:55,360 --> 01:43:02,880
and we recognize I think the length of
this meeting and this topic and the past

1255
01:43:00,239 --> 01:43:06,639
ones are not lost on staff. You know, we
do everything we can, as vice mayor

1256
01:43:04,480 --> 01:43:11,360
said, to honor the trees, do everything
we can, and half a million dollars in a

1257
01:43:09,119 --> 01:43:16,000
budget for tree preservation is is not
taken lightly.

1258
01:43:14,400 --> 01:43:19,440
And and I just want to make another
observation and and one of the things

1259
01:43:17,440 --> 01:43:26,080
that I've noticed uh as far as the
trees, I guess this goes back to 2010

1260
01:43:22,159 --> 01:43:29,920
2011 when we had a major um um wind
incident and and a lot of large trees,

1261
01:43:28,639 --> 01:43:34,960
healthy looking trees that got blown
over and and then looking at some of

1262
01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:43,440
those and even going back to last year,
u I was surprised at how shallow the

1263
01:43:38,320 --> 01:43:49,840
root system was given the size and the
the, you know, the overall width of the

1264
01:43:46,639 --> 01:43:52,880
tree. So, um,
what we're talking about is the

1265
01:43:51,360 --> 01:43:57,119
condition of the tree, but we have no
idea what that root system looks like

1266
01:43:54,800 --> 01:44:01,840
either, which may or, and Mr. Harish did
mention if you were to have a tree

1267
01:44:00,320 --> 01:44:06,639
that's out of balance, if they have two
large branches and one of them breaks

1268
01:44:03,199 --> 01:44:12,880
and and if there was a a more shallow uh
root system that that would also

1269
01:44:10,000 --> 01:44:18,080
exacerbate its potential of toppling
over or falling over when we So, I guess

1270
01:44:15,600 --> 01:44:25,600
that's the other question is these trees
we didn't do any type of root assessment

1271
01:44:21,679 --> 01:44:30,239
as far as the stability of the tree. Uh
we did a root crown excavation on 1430

1272
01:44:28,960 --> 01:44:34,400
Cambridge which was ultimately
recommended to be monitored. Um we have

1273
01:44:32,480 --> 01:44:41,280
done that on one or two other trees that
aren't on the removal list. um looking

1274
01:44:36,639 --> 01:44:45,119
at the root system that I recall um
>> the trunk flare

1275
01:44:43,440 --> 01:44:48,800
» the what
>> the base of the trunk it's not a root

1276
01:44:47,840 --> 01:44:55,280
» right
>> but it's just a a visual observation

1277
01:44:53,360 --> 01:45:02,400
» looking for root decay at the base of
the trunk or signs of

1278
01:44:59,920 --> 01:45:08,080
» All right um let's let's wrap up this
item do we have a motion on this or

1279
01:45:07,520 --> 01:45:12,639
or not
>> motion. So there was a motion. Do we

1280
01:45:11,119 --> 01:45:15,840
have an amendment or do we have a
second?

1281
01:45:13,280 --> 01:45:19,280
» Can we repeat the motion?
>> You want me to make a

1282
01:45:16,880 --> 01:45:21,679
» Yeah.
>> However you'd like it. It was your

1283
01:45:20,400 --> 01:45:26,440
motion, so you could restate it however
you'd like. Motion to

1284
01:45:26,480 --> 01:45:32,639
keep
tree number two

1285
01:45:30,719 --> 01:45:38,280
and to
trim back the large branches to

1286
01:45:40,480 --> 01:45:44,400
» as as best the arborist and staff
believe

1287
01:45:42,719 --> 01:45:51,360
» to mitigate under the guidance of the
arborist the extent of risk that we can

1288
01:45:49,119 --> 01:45:53,760
I guess
>> okay

1289
01:45:51,679 --> 01:45:56,239
» his motion Yeah, staff understands it,
right?

1290
01:45:54,880 --> 01:46:00,320
» Yes. Under the guidance, the arborist
will look at what can be done to

1291
01:45:58,159 --> 01:46:04,639
mitigate risk to the greatest extent
possible while retaining the tree and

1292
01:46:02,719 --> 01:46:09,040
continuing to monitor it. And I think
the last part was for how long or I

1293
01:46:07,119 --> 01:46:12,800
think we determined to come back at
least report on its condition at the

1294
01:46:10,960 --> 01:46:16,080
next time we bring a removal report
before you. We can tell you what's been

1295
01:46:14,560 --> 01:46:19,440
observed
from between now and the spring report.

1296
01:46:18,159 --> 01:46:21,520
» Can I ask another question of the
arborist?

1297
01:46:20,000 --> 01:46:25,440
» No, no, no. Finish, finish, finish.
Let's finish this. There's no there's no

1298
01:46:23,600 --> 01:46:29,440
clarity here that we're going to get to
specifically where we can

1299
01:46:27,440 --> 01:46:33,040
» precision pre precisely.
>> Well, there was a condition on that

1300
01:46:31,119 --> 01:46:39,840
particular tree that I observed and I
don't know if I what I observed was um

1301
01:46:37,520 --> 01:46:42,560
um was a concern or not and I was just
going to ask for some clarification on

1302
01:46:41,920 --> 01:46:44,480
that.
>> But how is that going to change your

1303
01:46:43,760 --> 01:46:46,480
motion right now?
>> Yeah,

1304
01:46:45,520 --> 01:46:52,400
» it wouldn't.
>> Yeah. So, let's finish. [laughter]

1305
01:46:49,760 --> 01:46:57,920
But it was the
per the reason for the reason.

1306
01:46:54,639 --> 01:46:59,600
» Okay, we got second roll call.
>> Council member Chang,

1307
01:46:59,040 --> 01:47:01,920
» yes.
>> Council member Chowo,

1308
01:47:00,719 --> 01:47:03,600
» yes.
>> Vice Mayor Low,

1309
01:47:03,119 --> 01:47:06,880
» yes.
>> And Mayor Cho,

1310
01:47:04,480 --> 01:47:12,639
» no. Okay, passes.
>> Um, one thing we didn't have, so we

1311
01:47:10,800 --> 01:47:16,800
removed trees in the first motion from
the removal tree list. the remaining

1312
01:47:14,960 --> 01:47:22,560
trees other than the one we just had a
motion on. Are we just continuing to

1313
01:47:20,080 --> 01:47:26,560
monitor them? Do you when would you want
them to come back or they're just

1314
01:47:24,239 --> 01:47:28,400
removed
at this point?

1315
01:47:27,360 --> 01:47:32,880
» Yeah. So, what would what would the
council like us to do with the trees

1316
01:47:29,760 --> 01:47:35,440
that you removed from the removal list?
>> Give them appropriate care.

1317
01:47:34,159 --> 01:47:37,760
» Who made that? Who made the first
motion?

1318
01:47:36,639 --> 01:47:40,480
» I'm sorry. I heard I
>> Who made that first motion?

1319
01:47:39,040 --> 01:47:42,880
» First motion was the council member
Chang.

1320
01:47:40,960 --> 01:47:48,400
» What did you clarify? Oh, so the first
motion was to uh to remove the trees in

1321
01:47:46,239 --> 01:47:50,960
red on that list. I said
>> correct.

1322
01:47:48,960 --> 01:47:52,719
» Okay. So, leave them on this list,
right? This is a removal list.

1323
01:47:52,400 --> 01:47:55,840
» Correct.
>> So, leave those red ones on the list and

1324
01:47:54,560 --> 01:47:57,840
everything else comes off.
>> So, the other ones we're keeping.

1325
01:47:57,280 --> 01:48:00,719
» Keeping.
>> Correct. Now, the direction is what

1326
01:47:59,520 --> 01:48:02,719
would you like us to do with those
trees?

1327
01:48:02,000 --> 01:48:07,199
» Keep them.
>> Keep them. Keep report them.

1328
01:48:04,719 --> 01:48:10,800
» They need to monitor and such time a
condition looks worse, we bring them

1329
01:48:08,880 --> 01:48:15,119
back.
Same as that one 11:01 except we're not

1330
01:48:13,840 --> 01:48:19,040
pruning any of them.
>> So I'm sorry. So same but we will not be

1331
01:48:16,880 --> 01:48:22,880
conducting sonic tomography. We're just
going to conduct visual inspections of

1332
01:48:20,560 --> 01:48:26,400
these trees and
>> you know as as their conditions worsen

1333
01:48:26,000 --> 01:48:30,080
» to
>> or improve like

1334
01:48:27,920 --> 01:48:31,600
» or improve. Absolutely. Absolutely.
>> There's only

1335
01:48:30,880 --> 01:48:35,280
» I'm sorry.
>> Oh my god. It's like there's beetles

1336
01:48:33,600 --> 01:48:37,600
talk and there's like one tree that has
freaking beetles. So let's be honest

1337
01:48:37,280 --> 01:48:40,960
here.
>> All right. So, so that's that's the is

1338
01:48:39,360 --> 01:48:43,840
that enough clarification? We're going
to just

1339
01:48:41,440 --> 01:48:46,800
» we'll continue monitoring them and
caring for them in the way we normally

1340
01:48:45,600 --> 01:48:50,000
would unless
>> the condition worsens or hopefully

1341
01:48:48,639 --> 01:48:53,760
improves.
>> Okay.

1342
01:48:50,480 --> 01:48:58,400
» Okay. Okay. Let's move on
to the next next item.

1343
01:48:56,560 --> 01:49:05,159
» Let's go. Professional design services
agreement.

1344
01:49:00,000 --> 01:49:05,159
» Okay. I don't have the click here.

1345
01:49:06,719 --> 01:49:12,800
» Okay. Item number two, uh this is for
the Lacy Park office renovation. This is

1346
01:49:11,119 --> 01:49:19,280
for awarding a professional design
services agreement with LOC architects.

1347
01:49:16,239 --> 01:49:25,199
Um this item was in has been included in
our capital improvement program budget

1348
01:49:21,760 --> 01:49:30,239
and we're bringing forward um why this
project was originally presented. We'll

1349
01:49:27,040 --> 01:49:33,840
go into the next slide. um as presented
during our uh capital improvement

1350
01:49:32,000 --> 01:49:39,199
program budgeting uh during our annual
budgeting process. The this project was

1351
01:49:36,400 --> 01:49:44,000
recommended for um inclusion in the in
our budget because of the aging

1352
01:49:41,520 --> 01:49:49,199
condition and deteriorating condition of
the facility. It's a 1930s era parks and

1353
01:49:46,719 --> 01:49:54,480
recreation um excuse me, parks and
public works office facility um with

1354
01:49:51,840 --> 01:49:59,360
aging um systems, building systems,
plumbing, HVAC, electrical. Um there's a

1355
01:49:57,520 --> 01:50:04,880
number of code compliance issues and
other associated um uh water intrusion

1356
01:50:02,800 --> 01:50:08,719
uh issues that have occurred over the
many decades the building has been

1357
01:50:06,480 --> 01:50:14,880
there. It was identified on our
historical resources um inventory as a

1358
01:50:12,880 --> 01:50:21,119
contributing uh back factor or
contributing building to the historic

1359
01:50:16,560 --> 01:50:23,840
nature of Lacy Park. And um
so the significant obviously deferred

1360
01:50:22,960 --> 01:50:29,199
maintenance and operational
deficiencies, ADA compliance and um

1361
01:50:26,800 --> 01:50:32,800
insufficient just functionality of the
building is why this project was

1362
01:50:31,040 --> 01:50:37,760
recommended to move forward in our
budget originally. Um going to the next

1363
01:50:35,440 --> 01:50:41,440
photo. Um many of you have all seen
this. A lot of this is just showing the

1364
01:50:39,280 --> 01:50:46,480
existing conditions. You go to the next
slide. um the office space, the

1365
01:50:44,960 --> 01:50:50,560
restrooms
that are only male restrooms and don't

1366
01:50:48,639 --> 01:50:54,719
provide any privacy if you walk out of
the office into them. Um there's just a

1367
01:50:52,719 --> 01:50:59,840
number of issues with just the general
layout and functionality of the space.

1368
01:50:57,119 --> 01:51:04,400
Next photo uh sorry slide. Um so
included in the uh scope of the work for

1369
01:51:02,800 --> 01:51:08,800
the renovation includes ref
reconfiguring, modernizing the spaces.

1370
01:51:07,040 --> 01:51:13,920
Um obviously upgrading our building
systems. Um making sure that we're code

1371
01:51:11,119 --> 01:51:18,639
compliant when it comes to ADA fire life
safety. Um some minor structural

1372
01:51:16,400 --> 01:51:23,360
strengthening and site drainage
improvements. And of course um foremost

1373
01:51:21,520 --> 01:51:27,280
I want to point out is the historic
character of the building because it is

1374
01:51:24,880 --> 01:51:32,000
a contributing building. The intention
of this project is to preserve the

1375
01:51:29,040 --> 01:51:36,080
existing exterior appearance um and to
focus primarily on the interior um

1376
01:51:34,320 --> 01:51:41,040
preserving that historical nature of the
building.

1377
01:51:38,000 --> 01:51:44,719
Um so the city did issue an RFP um back
in February when we were first

1378
01:51:42,560 --> 01:51:48,560
contemplating this project for the
compet competitive procurement and

1379
01:51:46,480 --> 01:51:54,480
selection of an architect to deliver
this um project and we received four

1380
01:51:51,920 --> 01:51:59,360
proposal four proposals in response to
that solicitation

1381
01:51:56,639 --> 01:52:05,920
um identified in the staff report. Dunar
Architecture, LOC Architects, Onyx, Onyx

1382
01:52:02,560 --> 01:52:10,159
Architects, and Studio Tsquare um were
the four proposals that we received. We

1383
01:52:08,159 --> 01:52:15,040
conducted we reviewed the staff reviewed
the proposals, conducted interviews um

1384
01:52:12,880 --> 01:52:20,880
and ultimately are recommending moving
forward with LOC architects as the um

1385
01:52:18,400 --> 01:52:25,679
firm to deliver this as providing the
best overall combination of their

1386
01:52:23,280 --> 01:52:28,800
qualifications, experience, their
understanding, project approach and

1387
01:52:27,440 --> 01:52:33,199
cost.
um in meeting all of the selection

1388
01:52:30,480 --> 01:52:36,320
criteria for this work.
Um this gives you a little bit of

1389
01:52:35,119 --> 01:52:40,560
background. I won't go through all of
this. It's included in their proposal,

1390
01:52:38,159 --> 01:52:46,960
but um just they've have a significant
inspir um in the area on historic and

1391
01:52:43,920 --> 01:52:51,040
non-historic projects um particularly
adaptive reuse in terms of how we're

1392
01:52:48,800 --> 01:52:54,800
going to be reconfiguring spaces and
working on historic projects like the

1393
01:52:52,639 --> 01:53:00,800
Hollywood Bowl.
Next one. Um, so the fiscal impact and

1394
01:52:58,400 --> 01:53:04,320
project funding, um, our fiscal year
2627

1395
01:53:02,560 --> 01:53:10,000
adopted CIP budget includes an
appropriation of $250,000.

1396
01:53:07,040 --> 01:53:16,360
Um, and with the proposal that we
received from LOC Architects, the

1397
01:53:11,840 --> 01:53:16,360
proposed contract fee is $135,330

1398
01:53:17,119 --> 01:53:23,040
and there's sufficient funding in our
budget without any um request for

1399
01:53:21,599 --> 01:53:28,719
additional appropriation to move
forward. So, the uh recommendation

1400
01:53:25,679 --> 01:53:33,360
before you is to approve a professional
services agreement for architectural

1401
01:53:30,960 --> 01:53:39,679
design services for the Lacy Park office
renovation project with LOC in the

1402
01:53:36,480 --> 01:53:44,000
amount of $135,330
and authorize the city manager to

1403
01:53:42,080 --> 01:53:49,280
execute the agreement on behalf of the
city. Um we do have the principal from

1404
01:53:46,080 --> 01:53:53,760
LOC here as well um this evening if you
had any questions for him, but otherwise

1405
01:53:50,880 --> 01:53:58,119
I'm happy to answer any questions.
All right. Any questions from the

1406
01:53:55,119 --> 01:53:58,119
council?

1407
01:54:02,719 --> 01:54:10,560
» Yeah. Uh, director Shaw. Um, so there
were three other bids on this and where

1408
01:54:07,599 --> 01:54:15,840
did they fall like price-wise?
>> Um, so they ranged from uh just under

1409
01:54:13,840 --> 01:54:18,840
basically $100,000. We had one for
$99,75

1410
01:54:19,360 --> 01:54:26,880
uh was the lowest proposal that we
received. Um the other two uh we already

1411
01:54:24,239 --> 01:54:33,599
know as LOC's at 130 135,000
approximately. Um the other two were 147

1412
01:54:31,119 --> 01:54:39,520
and then 267,000.
Um as these are professional design

1413
01:54:35,760 --> 01:54:42,560
services. We don't select um the
consultant based solely on price. We

1414
01:54:41,199 --> 01:54:46,560
obviously look at qualifications,
references, experience. there are

1415
01:54:44,800 --> 01:54:52,639
project understanding and all of those
factors results in the ultimate um

1416
01:54:49,040 --> 01:54:59,080
recommendations that we read before you.
>> Thank you.

1417
01:54:55,040 --> 01:54:59,080
» Any other questions on this side?

1418
01:54:59,119 --> 01:55:05,679
» Scope of the um of this contract is is
mailing for the interior then not not

1419
01:55:04,320 --> 01:55:08,679
the exterior.
>> Correct.

1420
01:55:11,440 --> 01:55:22,560
» Thank you, Vice Mayor.
and then along with that. So, so since

1421
01:55:18,480 --> 01:55:26,960
it's a big range from 90,000 to 260 for
the same scope of work and I'm wondering

1422
01:55:24,960 --> 01:55:30,639
what's the besides of course I know
experience and all those but because the

1423
01:55:28,960 --> 01:55:35,920
material selected or because this is
same space and same and then why it

1424
01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:40,080
» well this isn't for the construction so
this is specifically for design services

1425
01:55:38,480 --> 01:55:44,400
associated
>> um so it doesn't have anything to do

1426
01:55:41,599 --> 01:55:48,400
with the materials selection um at this
point um that obviously factor into the,

1427
01:55:46,639 --> 01:55:53,119
you know, anticipated uh construction
estimate for the project is in the like

1428
01:55:50,800 --> 01:55:59,199
$750,000 to million dollar range
depending on, you know, as we've um get

1429
01:55:56,159 --> 01:56:02,719
into the project design and dealing with
the issues um with the systems and

1430
01:56:01,679 --> 01:56:05,599
upgrades needed
>> and we're only touching the interior,

1431
01:56:04,560 --> 01:56:09,360
but if we
>> predominantly there is some site work

1432
01:56:07,360 --> 01:56:13,440
for like ADA accessibility, we do have
to factor in path of travel. So there

1433
01:56:11,199 --> 01:56:18,960
could be some exterior and drainage site
improvements but mi but to the exterior

1434
01:56:16,159 --> 01:56:22,880
of the building itself minimal um if any
we're we're intention is not to touch

1435
01:56:20,639 --> 01:56:28,239
the exterior of the building
>> and so since you know you mentioned that

1436
01:56:25,520 --> 01:56:34,239
this is a significant part of historic
you know part of AC park and everything

1437
01:56:30,960 --> 01:56:40,159
will be preserved as is to
>> the exterior look of the building will

1438
01:56:36,239 --> 01:56:44,320
be will be maintained as it is today. Um
we're not touching that at all. This is

1439
01:56:42,400 --> 01:56:48,000
really reconfiguring spaces
>> once the the renovation started for

1440
01:56:46,400 --> 01:56:51,840
example the design and then if we
discover certain part that's

1441
01:56:49,280 --> 01:56:55,920
deteriorating will be on you know just
interior repair and we need to do

1442
01:56:53,360 --> 01:57:00,560
something then it'll be done. I mean
because I saw also on the you know the

1443
01:56:58,159 --> 01:57:05,840
uh qualification for for the OC that
that they also have experience in in in

1444
01:57:03,280 --> 01:57:10,880
restoring or or doing something like
historic project in uh ro uh I mean the

1445
01:57:09,280 --> 01:57:16,960
the Hollywood ball.
>> Correct. So to the extent that we had to

1446
01:57:14,320 --> 01:57:22,239
um address anything exterior that could
affect the appearance the goal of that

1447
01:57:19,920 --> 01:57:26,320
would be to historically preserve the
look and character of the building as it

1448
01:57:24,080 --> 01:57:31,520
is. consulting where they have someone
in house that has knowledge for

1449
01:57:28,480 --> 01:57:36,239
designing or repairing historical you
know repair related you know structure

1450
01:57:35,280 --> 01:57:40,159
or or
>> yes I mean there you know and in our

1451
01:57:38,000 --> 01:57:43,760
interview process with them they do have
um experience with the secretary of

1452
01:57:41,760 --> 01:57:48,320
interior standards for historical
properties um and they have worked on

1453
01:57:45,920 --> 01:57:52,719
historical properties um that had
criteria that had to be preserved um but

1454
01:57:50,880 --> 01:57:56,080
I'm if you would like anything further I
can have him expand on

1455
01:57:56,880 --> 01:57:59,760
Thank you.
>> Okay.

1456
01:57:57,760 --> 01:58:03,360
» Okay. Councilwoman Sheperon.
>> Yeah. It occurred to me on this subject

1457
01:58:01,280 --> 01:58:07,360
and I appreciate that um Council Member
Lo brought this up. The historic

1458
01:58:05,119 --> 01:58:12,800
integrity of the building. A lot depends
on the exterior. And I did see in the

1459
01:58:10,639 --> 01:58:16,639
finer print of the proposal that they're
planning to change all the doors and

1460
01:58:14,400 --> 01:58:22,639
windows. And that brought a concern to
me. I know that if we do replace windows

1461
01:58:19,760 --> 01:58:28,239
obviously and and do a um an extensive
remodel, we should be doing double glass

1462
01:58:25,679 --> 01:58:34,159
or whatever is the appropriate for the
um insulation standards that we now

1463
01:58:30,560 --> 01:58:40,639
have. But I'm hoping that we still use
wood or something off of our approved

1464
01:58:37,199 --> 01:58:44,000
list that resembles that
or whatever. And I don't know the

1465
01:58:42,080 --> 01:58:47,840
commercial grade version of this. So I
don't know if the approved list includes

1466
01:58:46,000 --> 01:58:51,440
such things. So I don't know that much
detail about it. But I just want to make

1467
01:58:49,760 --> 01:58:58,400
sure for our windows and doors because
that would affect wood that will affect

1468
01:58:55,040 --> 01:59:02,800
the look um if we don't try to replicate
sort of style-wise what there are now.

1469
01:59:00,560 --> 01:59:07,599
And to just put in modern windows in
order to get the LED rating or something

1470
01:59:05,119 --> 01:59:11,119
to me might be adverse to the because
it's right across from Therner House and

1471
01:59:09,360 --> 01:59:15,040
the goal that we're doing. Yes, and that
has been considered. So, yes, that would

1472
01:59:12,639 --> 01:59:17,920
be part of the project is um similar to
what we, you know, even did at San

1473
01:59:16,400 --> 01:59:21,920
Marino Center that we would either be
preserving to the extent the windows

1474
01:59:19,520 --> 01:59:26,239
that we can and or replacing something
that looks like what we have so that we

1475
01:59:24,400 --> 01:59:29,920
wouldn't be affecting the appearance of
the building knowing that it's across

1476
01:59:27,760 --> 01:59:32,239
from the house and that it is a
historical building and its location in

1477
01:59:31,520 --> 01:59:35,520
the park.
>> Thank you. So that was just the doors

1478
01:59:33,920 --> 01:59:38,480
and windows thing brought raised a
question and I wanted to ask that but I

1479
01:59:36,960 --> 01:59:42,560
appreciate I know that you're doing a
good job and these seem like an

1480
01:59:39,920 --> 01:59:45,840
excellent group to work with with their
past experience. So thank you for

1481
01:59:43,920 --> 01:59:51,520
bringing them forward.
>> Okay, no questions for me. I guess we'll

1482
01:59:47,920 --> 01:59:55,440
open up for public comments if any
>> nothing online.

1483
01:59:53,920 --> 02:00:02,520
Okay,
closing the public comments and do we

1484
01:59:57,920 --> 02:00:02,520
have a motion here from the council?

1485
02:00:03,440 --> 02:00:09,440
I move to approve a professional
services agreement for architectural

1486
02:00:07,199 --> 02:00:14,960
design services for the Lacy Park office
renovation project with LLC, Inc. in the

1487
02:00:12,480 --> 02:00:19,040
amount of $135,330
and authorize the city manager to

1488
02:00:17,199 --> 02:00:24,320
execute the agreement on behalf of the
city.

1489
02:00:21,199 --> 02:00:25,920
» Second roll call, please.
>> Council member Chang,

1490
02:00:25,440 --> 02:00:27,520
» yes.
>> Council member Cha,

1491
02:00:27,040 --> 02:00:30,960
» yes.
>> Council member Shepard Romy,

1492
02:00:29,280 --> 02:00:32,159
» I. Vice Mayor Low.
>> Yes.

1493
02:00:31,199 --> 02:00:35,840
» And Mayor Cho.
>> Yes.

1494
02:00:33,119 --> 02:00:43,040
» Motion passes.
>> All right. I think that's it for today's

1495
02:00:38,800 --> 02:00:47,440
meeting. Do we have any
uh written communications or public

1496
02:00:44,880 --> 02:00:52,800
writings for distribution?
We already got Yeah, we already got

1497
02:00:49,440 --> 02:00:58,000
that. Um any other items that council
would like to add to a future agenda?

1498
02:00:55,280 --> 02:01:02,480
» Yes, I have two. One has to do with the
tree issue. if we're going to um bring

1499
02:01:00,560 --> 02:01:06,800
back the ordinance. I don't know if
other council members uh feel that we

1500
02:01:04,800 --> 02:01:12,239
need to work on either the process or
the

1501
02:01:09,280 --> 02:01:17,760
preservation the removal reasons
restating those. I don't know if we want

1502
02:01:14,480 --> 02:01:22,320
to do that um
to avoid

1503
02:01:19,679 --> 02:01:28,960
and clarify
help speed it along when tree lists

1504
02:01:26,480 --> 02:01:35,760
removal lists come forward in the future
so we could streamline that process.

1505
02:01:30,719 --> 02:01:38,320
» Do you have a time uh I guess a time on
the agenda that we want to try to get

1506
02:01:37,280 --> 02:01:42,880
that on?
>> I would like to do it in October,

1507
02:01:41,119 --> 02:01:48,880
November. I don't know.
>> So I guess if we do then should we have

1508
02:01:45,599 --> 02:01:51,840
I guess it would be whole you would
>> the tree leons would work

1509
02:01:50,400 --> 02:01:54,400
» recommendations and then
>> the staff

1510
02:01:52,639 --> 02:01:58,639
» staff would work. Would that be
possible? I guess what would it be?

1511
02:01:56,159 --> 02:02:02,400
» Yeah. Um so if there's a consensus of
the council to um open up the policy and

1512
02:02:00,960 --> 02:02:06,719
make amendments to the policy, we can
certainly do that with the tree liaison

1513
02:02:04,800 --> 02:02:10,159
being the council appointed individual.
So we won't set up an ad hoc or anything

1514
02:02:08,239 --> 02:02:14,480
else. Um but I'll be completely honest
with the council. I I don't think this

1515
02:02:11,920 --> 02:02:18,320
can come back in in the next 30 or 60
days given the way the council agenda is

1516
02:02:16,239 --> 02:02:23,199
set up. The next Friday meeting, just
for daylighting, the next Friday meeting

1517
02:02:20,400 --> 02:02:26,159
in two weeks, we have two appeals, two
planning commission appeals that are

1518
02:02:24,639 --> 02:02:31,520
coming before this council on a Friday
morning um as the action items in

1519
02:02:28,960 --> 02:02:34,719
October. We plan to bring um several
items hopefully. We'll have the speed

1520
02:02:33,360 --> 02:02:40,639
study before you and a couple other
things. I just I don't know to be honest

1521
02:02:38,000 --> 02:02:44,960
if director Shaw and director uh
Figureroa have time to do that

1522
02:02:42,960 --> 02:02:49,920
particularly with the fact that we do
not have an arborist on staff yet we'd

1523
02:02:47,599 --> 02:02:55,199
be working with either um consulting
arborist Harish or someone else. So if

1524
02:02:53,040 --> 02:02:59,040
you'd like us to work with Mr. Harish
and continue to do that or we were

1525
02:02:57,920 --> 02:03:02,080
largely I think you know councelor
Shepard and I had conversations about

1526
02:03:00,560 --> 02:03:05,760
looking at this when we can once we have
an arborist on board. Um, I understand

1527
02:03:04,480 --> 02:03:09,679
it's, you know, important for the
council member to get it done, you know,

1528
02:03:07,040 --> 02:03:12,400
before her term. Whatever the council's
pleasure is, I just I don't know, to be

1529
02:03:11,360 --> 02:03:17,440
completely honest that we'll be able to
get something done without a full-time

1530
02:03:13,599 --> 02:03:20,440
arborist on board um in in the next few
months.

1531
02:03:21,040 --> 02:03:27,280
Um,
it seems like we can work with Mayor

1532
02:03:25,280 --> 02:03:31,440
Posa who is providing a half a million
dollars of tree services and they must

1533
02:03:29,360 --> 02:03:35,920
have a person on staff who could consult
with us considering they are the ones

1534
02:03:33,199 --> 02:03:41,520
that do our tree care and our
maintenance and our trimming which a lot

1535
02:03:38,159 --> 02:03:46,320
of these troubled trees are part of. And
so I would think that they would be a

1536
02:03:43,280 --> 02:03:51,920
good group. But again, I don't know if
there's so much time in a day and I

1537
02:03:48,719 --> 02:03:56,719
don't want to not do it, but I'm hoping
that we could look to them and work with

1538
02:03:53,840 --> 02:03:59,920
them for some guidance and also do
research of what other cities have done

1539
02:03:58,400 --> 02:04:05,040
and see if there's any more useful
language that could help the council

1540
02:04:01,840 --> 02:04:08,880
resolve these things quicker and, you
know, with less specifics because I

1541
02:04:07,520 --> 02:04:14,239
understand everybody doesn't want to
talk about every tree every time, right?

1542
02:04:11,440 --> 02:04:17,840
So I'm trying to help the process.
>> I would agree to that because right now

1543
02:04:15,679 --> 02:04:20,719
we're making this as a a blanket
decision. Every time it's a blanket and

1544
02:04:19,599 --> 02:04:23,360
then we have to pay
>> right

1545
02:04:20,960 --> 02:04:27,679
» and so we should separate the process.
that tree is dead. certain other things

1546
02:04:25,599 --> 02:04:32,320
if there's room we should at least start
to look into those otherwise you know

1547
02:04:29,760 --> 02:04:38,159
like like using the first three trees as
an example if we use it as a blanket you

1548
02:04:35,520 --> 02:04:43,760
know in a you know make a blanket
decision last last time one of the three

1549
02:04:41,040 --> 02:04:48,639
will be will be removed without the
second look and now there's a scientific

1550
02:04:45,840 --> 02:04:53,520
evidence showing that it actually can be
safe so it's not that and then so just I

1551
02:04:51,599 --> 02:04:57,199
just want to make sure this new policy
identifies you know, further separate.

1552
02:04:55,840 --> 02:05:01,920
So we don't have we don't make the
blanket decision. We don't also don't

1553
02:04:59,520 --> 02:05:04,480
pick tree by tree every single time. So
just that's the direction.

1554
02:05:03,520 --> 02:05:08,719
» It doesn't seem like we're going to be
able to fit on the next agenda. So why

1555
02:05:06,480 --> 02:05:12,400
don't the tree lelayison on see how much
can get done in the interim and then if

1556
02:05:10,560 --> 02:05:15,599
we bring it up on that agenda that
meeting for the next one then and we're

1557
02:05:14,320 --> 02:05:17,360
ready we can discuss it.
>> Okay.

1558
02:05:15,920 --> 02:05:20,719
» The following.
>> It's two weeks, right? So I think

1559
02:05:19,280 --> 02:05:24,159
» I'm not expecting this at all this
month. I thought this October or

1560
02:05:22,480 --> 02:05:29,040
November. Um well
>> you can kind of brainstorm.

1561
02:05:25,840 --> 02:05:32,000
» Yeah. So let me just
just so we can plan it out together. I

1562
02:05:30,639 --> 02:05:36,400
want to make sure we set a realistic
expectations. Our

1563
02:05:34,400 --> 02:05:40,480
we're looking at calendars. So we will
be publishing the agenda for the

1564
02:05:38,000 --> 02:05:43,199
September meeting here in um today's the
9th. In 10 days time,

1565
02:05:42,800 --> 02:05:48,639
» right?
>> So September's off the table. October

1566
02:05:45,679 --> 02:05:54,159
would be October 14th or the 30th. We
have two dates. we um we would be

1567
02:05:52,080 --> 02:05:57,920
publishing those agendas within 30 days
give or take that I don't know will give

1568
02:05:56,560 --> 02:06:03,520
enough time for the leaison to do
meaningful work given how important this

1569
02:06:00,639 --> 02:06:07,599
is um we can what we can do is
>> well we have to do something

1570
02:06:04,800 --> 02:06:11,599
» yeah let us go back and do this let us
and I don't want to make the next

1571
02:06:08,880 --> 02:06:14,000
council walk into this and having not
done it right

1572
02:06:12,560 --> 02:06:17,599
» at least attempted to do something
that's better for everybody that helps

1573
02:06:16,560 --> 02:06:20,080
» I think we I think we generally know
where the council is on this there's you

1574
02:06:18,880 --> 02:06:24,000
know a strata that you want us to look
at. What we'll do is two things. Let us

1575
02:06:21,679 --> 02:06:28,320
go back and find um a handful of tree
ordinances from a handful of different

1576
02:06:25,360 --> 02:06:32,159
cities to see how other folks do it. Um
if the council, the tree liaison would

1577
02:06:30,159 --> 02:06:36,800
like to provide their input on the
current ordinance. Um we will work as

1578
02:06:34,560 --> 02:06:39,920
hard as we can. Um I just I didn't want
to, you know, set unreal expectations as

1579
02:06:38,719 --> 02:06:42,960
we're trying to finish up the fire
department project and a couple

1580
02:06:41,119 --> 02:06:49,040
different things. Um we also have to
move the November meeting because of

1581
02:06:45,199 --> 02:06:52,880
Veterans Day. Um, so we'll dance around
all this, but the city attorney, do you

1582
02:06:51,040 --> 02:06:55,840
want to add something, Mr. Montes?
>> Yeah, just for clarification. It's not

1583
02:06:54,159 --> 02:06:58,400
an ordinance. It's the city's it's the
council's policy.

1584
02:06:56,960 --> 02:07:01,360
» Okay.
>> So, we'll So, I see a consensus of the

1585
02:07:00,000 --> 02:07:07,280
council. We'll start some work on that.
We'll do it as as expediently as

1586
02:07:04,159 --> 02:07:12,960
possible. Um,
>> and then what was the other? You had

1587
02:07:08,719 --> 02:07:18,239
another agenda item you wanted to add.
>> Oh, and the other is related to the

1588
02:07:14,800 --> 02:07:25,599
trees as well. And this has to do I um
would like our uh this is not a

1589
02:07:23,440 --> 02:07:33,040
high staffed thing but we talked about
the um trimming of trees that are

1590
02:07:29,679 --> 02:07:39,119
overextended and ill health and etc. And
I know that um it would be behoove us to

1591
02:07:37,280 --> 02:07:44,400
do that. And if it is an extra
expenditure that's beyond I don't know

1592
02:07:41,119 --> 02:07:49,280
what is covered within our Mariposa
um uh existing contract where it's a

1593
02:07:47,040 --> 02:07:53,199
certain amount per year max. And so I
wanted to see if we could just follow

1594
02:07:50,719 --> 02:07:57,679
that down before storms get here. I do
appreciate other council members

1595
02:07:55,760 --> 02:08:01,920
concerns about the trees and residents
concerns and we are expecting this is

1596
02:08:00,159 --> 02:08:07,440
something to do. So, this isn't
necessarily staff time and writing

1597
02:08:03,520 --> 02:08:14,159
anything up, but can we um ask Mariposa
for um I don't know, a prophylactic

1598
02:08:11,199 --> 02:08:19,599
trimming of stress trees that have been
on this list or on a main thoroughare

1599
02:08:17,119 --> 02:08:25,040
and overhang. Um can we have that type
of thing that's done in a conservative

1600
02:08:21,679 --> 02:08:29,520
way but to help um minimize potential
branch loss or something? ask them to

1601
02:08:27,280 --> 02:08:32,159
come earlier than they might otherwise,
you know, following the schedule or

1602
02:08:31,040 --> 02:08:36,880
something like that.
>> Yes,

1603
02:08:33,199 --> 02:08:41,280
» we can we can assess that. Um, a vast
majority of the budget is dedicated to

1604
02:08:39,040 --> 02:08:44,880
the grid pruning, um, which will start
in well, depending on weather, but

1605
02:08:43,119 --> 02:08:48,639
likely, you know, fall time like we
would normally in October or so. Um, we

1606
02:08:47,440 --> 02:08:52,639
obviously spent a significant amount
recently on all our palm tree pruning.

1607
02:08:50,639 --> 02:08:56,480
Um, that does eat up the vast majority.
Um, we have a little bit left for some

1608
02:08:54,480 --> 02:09:01,534
minor prunings and things around.
>> Cut those down and they make a real

1609
02:08:58,400 --> 02:09:02,880
mess. But anyway, they're very
[laughter]

1610
02:09:01,840 --> 02:09:07,040
» to maintain.
>> You understand what I'm saying? We could

1611
02:09:04,960 --> 02:09:11,920
highlight that for them and and invest a
little bit more money out of the grid

1612
02:09:08,800 --> 02:09:16,320
pruning process into doing some for this
potential storm.

1613
02:09:15,119 --> 02:09:20,480
» Does that make sense? I mean, I think
>> is that a preemptive

1614
02:09:18,239 --> 02:09:22,480
are we doing preemptive work within our
budgets? Is that is that what we're

1615
02:09:21,840 --> 02:09:25,280
talking about? Okay.
>> Yeah. So, we have so we have grid

1616
02:09:23,840 --> 02:09:28,560
pruning as as director Shaw mentioned.
So, what we will do is if I understand

1617
02:09:26,560 --> 02:09:33,360
the direction of the council member is
as we do grid pruning, if there are

1618
02:09:30,320 --> 02:09:38,239
opportunities to to trim back street
overhangs and other overhangs within our

1619
02:09:36,079 --> 02:09:41,520
budget, we will do that uh more
prophylactically than we have in the

1620
02:09:39,920 --> 02:09:45,599
past. Right. Traditionally, we don't cut
things that are just overhangs here and

1621
02:09:43,360 --> 02:09:48,320
there, but we will look to do that where
we see some trees that might pose

1622
02:09:47,199 --> 02:09:50,719
greater risk than others.
>> The older ones or some of these that are

1623
02:09:49,840 --> 02:09:54,480
on our list,
>> right? And do I see a consensus of the

1624
02:09:52,159 --> 02:09:57,840
council to do that?
>> Do you need it? [laughter]

1625
02:09:56,400 --> 02:10:00,880
» I just want to make sure. Yeah. I mean,
I'm just nodding heads. I see one

1626
02:09:59,040 --> 02:10:02,639
nodding head, too. Yeah. Okay. No one's
No one's objecting. So, thank you.

1627
02:10:02,449 --> 02:10:05,360
[laughter]
>> Okay. Thank you. And I'm sorry, Director

1628
02:10:04,159 --> 02:10:07,760
Shaw. I know you have a lot on your
plate, but it should be something they

1629
02:10:07,199 --> 02:10:11,119
can keep.
>> And one quick item. I don't should be

1630
02:10:09,920 --> 02:10:17,199
» agenda item. Go ahead.
>> Uh well, it's related to uh what again

1631
02:10:14,000 --> 02:10:22,960
the uh the uh Elino will be may be
facing. I know the county had meeting uh

1632
02:10:19,920 --> 02:10:27,040
in preparation for this year Elino may
be facing. I know the chiefs uh probably

1633
02:10:25,199 --> 02:10:32,719
have been working on already. I just
want to make sure that our city also has

1634
02:10:29,119 --> 02:10:36,480
a plan or you know is prepared to to to
deal with that you know and and then

1635
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pruning the trees overhang is part of
that. I think that's an important, you

1636
02:10:38,159 --> 02:10:44,560
know, thing to do facing that. So, so
just I just want to make sure if that I

1637
02:10:42,719 --> 02:10:49,280
don't know if that's going to be a
should be an agenda item, but I just

1638
02:10:46,159 --> 02:10:53,920
want to make sure ROC has planned for
Absolutely. And we will be reporting on

1639
02:10:51,199 --> 02:10:56,800
um so Chief Ra will be making a
presentation at the next public safety

1640
02:10:55,199 --> 02:11:00,320
committee meeting on El Nino and some of
our preparations. We will keep the

1641
02:10:58,400 --> 02:11:03,760
council apprised during my uh city
manager reports at the next several

1642
02:11:01,679 --> 02:11:07,040
council meetings. Um you'll see a lot of
information in the weekly briefings

1643
02:11:05,199 --> 02:11:10,880
going out. Uh we've got quite a bit of
robust information, but the preparation

1644
02:11:08,960 --> 02:11:14,320
started actually a couple months back.
You know, the palm tree pruning was part

1645
02:11:12,320 --> 02:11:19,360
of that. Uh cleaning the catch basins,
the contract um to award the catch basin

1646
02:11:17,520 --> 02:11:22,960
screens today was part of that. There's
a lot going on, but we'll make sure that

1647
02:11:20,719 --> 02:11:28,320
we continue to put that information out
into the universe.

1648
02:11:26,400 --> 02:11:32,480
» Okay. And then any any special
adjournments from anyone?

1649
02:11:29,920 --> 02:11:37,119
» I do. Okay,
>> I would appreciate the council if we may

1650
02:11:34,800 --> 02:11:42,079
adjourn this meeting in memory of John
Snare. He was a product of our local

1651
02:11:39,360 --> 02:11:47,920
schools. Um he played in sports
throughout uh Valentine, Huntington,

1652
02:11:45,920 --> 02:11:53,679
Foxes, and San Marino High School on the
football team where he won the coaches

1653
02:11:49,920 --> 02:11:58,400
award his year um when he was senior.
And he was an incredible young man who

1654
02:11:55,840 --> 02:12:02,320
touched many lives through the community
groups as well as Boy Scouts where he

1655
02:12:00,639 --> 02:12:07,840
was actively involved in our community
and making it better. And um we lost him

1656
02:12:05,119 --> 02:12:13,360
way too soon before the age of 30 to
cancer. And um his family and uh as you

1657
02:12:11,760 --> 02:12:18,800
may know the snares, there's a couple
families in town who live here and have

1658
02:12:15,119 --> 02:12:23,159
a dentist back just nearby. Um and so he
is surrounded by um

1659
02:12:23,520 --> 02:12:33,119
anyway a very loving family and um
also um

1660
02:12:31,119 --> 02:12:38,239
W. Michael Johnson who was a city
council member from 1988 to 1992 and

1661
02:12:36,480 --> 02:12:42,639
also I believe he was president of San
Marino historical society and he came

1662
02:12:40,159 --> 02:12:45,840
into many planning commission meetings
and was very involved who I'm sure all

1663
02:12:44,560 --> 02:12:49,840
of you if you were on planning
commission he was a very devoted

1664
02:12:47,520 --> 02:12:53,920
community member as well. So, those are
just two people who I know in my life,

1665
02:12:51,679 --> 02:13:00,480
but I'm sure there's been losses, but I
wanted to make sure that we mentioned

1666
02:12:57,679 --> 02:13:08,960
» um I would also like to um make a
special German to um Mr. Robert Bob

1667
02:13:03,599 --> 02:13:14,800
Gerald Twist. Um also, um former council
member uh two terms from 2001 to 2009.

1668
02:13:12,480 --> 02:13:17,800
Also served twice as the mayor of San
Marino.

1669
02:13:23,199 --> 02:13:31,040
All right. Um, on that Somber note, I
adjourn today's meeting. Uh, and our

1670
02:13:28,480 --> 02:13:35,320
next meeting will be September 25th at
8:30 at city council chambers.