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All right, let's move back to agenda.

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There we go, heart rate folks, again sorry for that, this is a special meeting of

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So the Board of County Commissioner of San Miguel County, Wednesday, June 15th, and normally this would be a work session but because of scheduling. We chose to make it a special meeting so that decisions can be made. We have commissioner wearing and myself and present in person. And commissioner Cooper is on Zoom. And with that, we'll call to order. As usual, we'll start with a couple of threats of silence for.

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All right, thank you. Next step will review the agenda.

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changes? The only one that is aware of is there was one decision that was going to be changed

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to a discussion, I believe, on the climate action plan perhaps? That's correct. And that would

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it's led to be shorter than the hour that it is plotted for but feedback from

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commissioners and star was that they wanted to have a chance to look at the latest

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iteration to give her direction and then I followed her that I would work on

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resolution to adopt that feature regularly. Great. Any other changes to the agenda?

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I would note that the affordable housing mitigation fee, the 30 minute slot, is very optimistic.

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Any questions or comments on the consent agenda?

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If not, I move to approve the consent agenda.

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All right. Any further discussion?

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Next up on the agenda is update with Trace Rios and Uncompared Railfield offices.

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Do we have our Connie Clementson is with us?

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Yes, good morning, Madam Chair.

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Can you hear me?

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Thank you, Connie.

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All right, I hope everybody's having a great day.

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McBee today and Susan, coming from the upper fill office,

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please invite our acting district manager, Lisa Dawson.

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So I wanted to introduce her to the board.

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Lisa, did you want to say a few words?

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Lisa Dawson.

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Yes, you are now.

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Good morning, everybody.

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My name is Lisa Dawson and I'm currently acting as the self-restra Street Manager up there in Launtrose.

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As Stephanie Connelly is up at the State Office and is our acting state director.

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We are uncertain in which she will be back, hopefully within by the fall.

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I'm happy to meet everybody here just now.

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but I don't know where on this, what it is.

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she recently was appointed this past spring

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and thank you for having me.

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And we got to turn it back to you, coach.

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All right, thank you.

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Any questions or are acting district managers

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not seeing any? Thank you everybody.

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All right so with that I can go ahead and do a

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trick update for Trisha just fill out this and then I'll turn it over to Susanne

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If you want to share your screen, I think that would be helpful.

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I think I need to be given permission.

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And if we could get a copy of that, maybe staff can share a copy of this and rate.

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Yeah, I don't think we got it. Connie, sorry.

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Alright, and who do I need to email that to in the future?

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Because I thought I said it to Carmen.

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Carmen W. At San Miguel County CO.gov.

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I have to go through this.

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So I have several items to go through this morning.

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And I apologize if you didn't get to preview this document.

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So I'll make sure that the commissioners get that.

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Because there's a lot of words on it.

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to take a look at these.

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as you know, and we know it's pretty tough conditions out there.

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this week into our area fingers crossed

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will bring rain and not lightning.

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So jumping into our planning processes,

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we continue to work on our tap to process

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and really appreciate Senegal County's participation in that.

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and ignore to answer any technical questions

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that your community might have.

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As the Commissioner's Canvas, the community over there for input

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that they would then pass on to BLM.

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we're still kind of in the pre-planning phases

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to produce the best proposed action.

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as it rolls out, as well as the communities

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that have been engaged, we've been going through this process

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to make sure that the normal one we did get some transportation planning done on the

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south end of the field office and now we're really focusing on the north end so that's

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why it feels like a really long time because what kind of sort of has but this is the bulk

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that are involved so thanks for that moving down and if you see anything as I scroll down

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to give you an update on the Spring Creek Basin

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wild horse and burgo herd management area,

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Spring Creek Basin, obviously.

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a bunch more water catchments updated

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and placed out there for the horse management

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an area of tension for that we have a good water resource for the mobile forces.

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we've been super successful and as a result, we're very, very much hoping that the only thing

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that we need to do in the future are minor big-track gatherings, you know, for four or

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five or 10 courses. So we're not at that point now. And so that's really our goal is to

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continue to be strategic in working with our partners to ensure that we're not going

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to have to even do a big track up very often.

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project that's coming up, the Sunday Minds Plan of Operations Update. So I think that

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if updated you briefly on...

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thing, because that will update their mind plan under the current regulation and policies,

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and will be a far more robust strategy if the mind opens operations up again.

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currently in place into a single plan and so that's a good way to go, and it does add

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about eight acres of new disturbance that will be analyzing through the NEMA process.

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in the next three, four weeks and starting to get our specialists working with the contractor

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specialist and preparing the scoping documents. So we anticipate that the scoping will roll out

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probably in the next eight weeks or so. So I will look at the corporate commissioners know

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when we're getting ready to roll that scoping out. So it will certainly be of high interest to a

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lot of folks out there. And Connie, can you remind us where it says up to 18 truckloads a day

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What the route is that they'll be traveling from where they're going to be going down to the mill planning obviously

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That's only know that would be available

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So they would go from there down the highway and over to the planning area. Thank you

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You bet all right, so I'm going to come on that one

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be looking for that and we will certainly have that as a regular topic no doubt over the

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next little while as the need to receive. We've had some notice-level exploration plans you

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I know the county has received those and we participated in some of those stuff calls so the left

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those are moving forward. The copper notice as well which you guys are aware of. The next item we have

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is the disappointment pit. That's the pit that we're working together on as far as those gravel

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pit needs. We will be initiating need but to expand that pit for the future. There's plenty

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of materials there for the next several years but we want to make sure that as the counties,

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needs, gravel needs, continue that it's that seamless process in the future to be able

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to expand their pet. We also need to make sure that some of the reclamation work needs

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to be done has been under the environmental analysis. So we just met with Delores County

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to affirm what those boundaries are. And so we'll be rolling out some environmental

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you know, analysis on that and the next probably four or five months it will start

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with scoping and it is just a pivot expansion to allow them to continue

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probably 20 to 30 years into the future and this will be based on 10-year

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requirements.

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The next item I have is the DOE drum program as you may be well

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aware the Department of Energy is working on completing all of their survey

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work and safety closures and work out on all of the Department of Energy claims and that

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is many, many counties on the Western Slow but in Semigal there's a pretty big amount

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of sites that they've been working on surveying.

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They're working with the VLM on that and so we will continue to work on closure projects with

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them on that, they're going to contract maturity that work. So it's that cooperative agreement

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between the agencies to get these online closures completed.

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I think that's about it,

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other than I would love to encourage everybody to come in down to Kenanza, the ancient visitor

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center and museum. We have a new display there and really helping that folks can come visit.

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It's called hand-stone in songs, and it's a really great

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special exhibit which displays architectural drawings,

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several of our monuments, cultural sites. So it's a really neat kind of side trip

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and we hope that people can come down and visit us there. So with that act, I can stop sharing

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unless there were any questions that the county commissioners had for me today.

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Commissioner Cooper. Thanks, nice to see you, Connie.

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Point back to the Sunday lines, plan of operation,

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condition, or most or not, about the route. I just wonder, or maybe as a reminder during

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your plan of operation review process that they will, most likely it's reason

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County roads have permitted meaning to renew with us as well. So I don't know if that's

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written in your kind of operations or something that it's going to be, you know, just

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make sure that they're aware of that, often times, they have concerns when they find out that they have County

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permits. Well, we very regularly remind operators of the

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convinced that they have both at the local and state levels because sometimes there are

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state level permits as well that are required Hillary and that is the condition of their

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plan that they make sure that they have all appropriate local state federal permits.

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And sometimes there are other federal permits as well like for for permits or whatever outside

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of the injures.

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So yes, we will be happy to remind them of that.

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We are eating the managers of the company next week, so I will mention that as well.

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So it sounds like you guys haven't received anything yet, as far as permit requests or anything.

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And we're pretty early in on the process, so happy to keep reminding them Hillary.

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Thank you.

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Great, thank you.

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And it would be interesting to see how this sort of overlaps in timing with the new

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your MS role-making, which includes the temporary cessation. Sunday lines has been one of the major applications in question for that definition.

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So I'm not completely clear once the DRMS updates are role-making, how that will apply to Sunday lines.

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But I think people who are more knowledgeable than us will have to inform us about that works.

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Absolutely, Commissioner, and we're also waiting to see what's going to happen with that.

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You know, the company could just reconfigure their plan of operations and resummit it,

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depending on what happens to Tophas, or they could, you know, it just depends on what

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the RMS does, and then with the company decides to do to react to that.

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So I think we're all waiting to see what happens.

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And that communication between us and the county certainly will be critical as we learn

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and you guys learned what's going to happen with that.

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Okay, thanks.

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And then you may have said this, I might have just missed it.

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But the black snake pit in disappointment,

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is that the pit in San Miguel County that Dolores County

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is currently operating?

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That's the disappointment if black snake is a different pit?

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Okay, so that's in Dolores County, black snake.

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Yeah, I believe it is.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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Thanks.

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And then this is kind of a general question and maybe Lisa could address this, too.

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But I've just been curious lately, kind of, what the facts is, like we face in her management

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area.

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Whether it was made in her management area and a wild horse range designation, I have googled

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it a couple of times and there's not much information out there.

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So I'm wondering if you guys have that knowledge or not to get ahead of ourselves, I'm just

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curious about different kinds of dissimilation.

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Well, let me try, unless Lisa knows the answer, I'll give it a go, Hillary, and if I'm wrong,

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I will do a little bit, I'm only about it, but I think I know.

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A course area is designated through congressional means, and an HMA is offered management area

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not designated.

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They have basically the same implications as far as I know, but I will do a little bit

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of homework on that for you in that I hope heard area.

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I think there's one in Colorado which is a little book close.

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I think they're considered a heard area, whereas the rest of our heard management areas have

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not been recognized as a heard area.

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But I don't believe honestly that there's a difference in how we manage them.

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I think it was just how it was through call for us at the time.

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But I think we'll double check because we can all learn together on that.

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I'm happy to follow up on that one.

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Great.

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Lisa, did you want to add anything to that?

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Oh no, Connie, just a deferred to you and her-

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Any other questions? I want to take up all the time I will stop sharing and turn this over to Zayn for the end of our conference. I just did a more more question about the DOE drum program. The staff slip rock that you referred to. Is that covered, heard under all of the proposal that the DOE presented to us for

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in Northland Park or is obviously a few projects that have come back to us, or that we should contact them about.

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I am not positive on the answer for that commissioner, so I would suggest that you just talk to them about it as well, and I will ask my geologist if that is different.

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Okay, maybe just an internal note to our staff, to Lauren, the DOE on the scope of that project

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and then San Diego County, if we could get the same sort of meeting with DOE that we have

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previously for the other two projects.

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Yeah, and I think, Hillary, they're just in Survey Mode this year, but I made you wrong on that,

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So they may be happy yet to reach out to you because they're a little bit earlier in the stages

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But I think if I find out anything I will let you know as well

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I think that's it for me

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Thank you very much. Any other questions for Connie commission wearing?

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No, all clear. Thank you.

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Okay, we'll switch over then to Suzanne. Is that?

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Yeah, we can hear you.

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Okay, can you hear me okay?

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Yes.

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Great. Okay. Yeah, I don't have a whole lot to report out to you today. However, please

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to be invites to the meeting. Yeah, this kind of mention is I'm sure I'm planning on attending meetings together more regularly

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forward. At least on my part more regularly. So just a brief introduction. I came to the

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on the Poverty Field Office as the new field manager

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starting last May.

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So I think we're in the library year now.

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Before that, I was in the yellow and the right range

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with the Rocky Mountain District.

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And before that, I was with the National Park Service

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for about 10 years or so.

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So I have a couple of items to mention today

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and then I appreciate any questions

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that you might have for me.

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First is that the on the Poverty Field Office

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is entering into stage one.

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five restrictions, as a C-121 this morning, we had to advance to stage one.

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So, conditions are a little better than 3-3 else, however, really getting into those extreme levels in terms of the numbers.

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We dry out there and it will be hot and potentially with some good light in the speaking.

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So, in stage one there, the second item I wanted to mention is on Honeyhead,

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had referred to the defense, the DOE's defense that are related.

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You're in the mitigation program, the journal program, and we do have some sites as well,

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in the Compaglia field office that we're working with DOE on, and Connie and I are collaborating

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to seek some additional consistent archeological services to be able to move forward.

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Those project areas a little more quickly than we've been able to in the past.

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of the Department of Field Office is a little bit ahead in terms of having stories completed

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that were able to start to do some closures on, so we're collaborating with DOE and also

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with the other BLM field offices on those efforts.

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And I believe, actually, that's about all I have for San Miguel County, we just have a

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little portion of you in within the boundaries of the Department of Field Office.

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So do any of you have any questions for me?

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Commissioner Waring?

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Nope.

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Commissioner Cooper?

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Yes, thanks.

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Nice to see you, Suzanne.

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Thanks for being here.

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Yeah.

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There are any of the DOE sites in San Miguel County.

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I'm not aware of any DOE sites on the U.S.O.

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It's a really good hushy Hillary, because I'm not aware of either, so I did feel like

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probably mentioned we're working with Race Real, so I think what I will do is confirm that with our

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geologist, and I can send a note back to Harmon or Star, whoever's in this program,

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and just confirm that we don't, because that is my understanding as well, but I don't, I don't, I don't know.

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Any other questions?

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Seeing none, we thank you all for coming. I think it'll be great to have you reporting together so that we're having all fresh. And yes, it's like you're all busy as.

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So, as we are, too, but I'd really appreciate you being on and we'll look forward to the next update.

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Thank you, Councillors.

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Okay.

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With that, we'll move on to Planning Matters, number 8a.

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This is a public hearing consideration of the approval of the San Miguel County Affordable

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Housing Feet methodology report and corresponding land use code amendments as presented.

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Thank you commissioners and I'll just remind folks with a public hearing we usually hear from staff we ask questions as commissioners and then we open it up for public for questions for the public hearing.

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Okay commissioners today's presentation is a culmination of a year long process with county staff the board of county commissioners and the planning commission and with the town to tell you right as well.

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and it's to update our affordable housing impact fees.

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Background providing housing for the local community is a critical need.

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Workforce housing is important for retaining essential workers, emergency service workers

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and those who support the local economy.

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COVID has really exacerbated the situation. In 2018, at large amount of units was identified

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with more needed in the future by 2026 to house our local workforce. COVID has, I think,

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accelerated that process and highlighted the need all more for affordable housing in this area.

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In 2007, the BOCC adopted residential impact fees prior they had required certain thresholds

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the construction of housing units for houses about a certain size threshold.

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These fees were based upon the study provided by the consultant at that time, RPI, and those

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fees were impacted and initiated in 2007 and have been in effect since at the start of

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the process we identified that it would take significant analysis to update that model

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and as a result we have been stuck at the 2015 rate cap since that time for the last seven

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years and so staff has evaluated beginning in 2021 the Nexus Lincoln studies which are critical

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for the right or the power for the county to impose impact fees and we've also looked at different

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methods. We have held numerous work sessions with the county planning commission and received their

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feedback and also with the VOCC, most recently in March of this year and based on that direction

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we have prepared a new fee calculation method and also proposed potential mitigation in

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the form of deed restricted units if the Board of Commissioners wish to go in that direction.

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The fee calculation model that we are presenting is based on the market affordability gap approach.

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To establish impact fees for one and two unit residences, which are single-family residences and duplexes,

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the gap approach is based on the difference between the average market priced housing in the Telluride region

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and a price that would be affordable for a household earning 100% of the area median income.

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Unlike the previous approach, the gap approach uses publicly available LS data or assessor

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data.

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It's easily explainable and has been adopted by other local governments, including the

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town of Telluride, and mountain villages in process of also adopting it.

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it potentially could provide sufficient revenue for capital housing projects.

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And it has already whispered a legal challenge to it, the county of Gunnison. Basically, in a nutshell,

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the method calculates the gap and the development fee then, between the free market and affordable

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housing, affordable community housing, and based upon this analysis, the 2021 market gap fee

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is approximately $527 per square foot which is basically the difference between what a market price

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house would cost and the difference between what would be affordable for a community affordable

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housing unit. This model is illustrated on this slide. The basically the three components are

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First identify a targeted income segment of the local

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economy that we are going to target. We're all familiar with what area meeting

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median income is. For simplicity use we are using the 100% of the household

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income and in 2020 it was 81,500.

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Then I hope we're also familiar with how to

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established in affordable housing price it's based upon 30% of that area

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median income and then going through a few other calculations we come up with

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the maximum affordable price that that household could afford and in this case

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that would be 319 thousand six hundred and twenty-dollar house the also we

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established what are affordable unit sizes for those units and based upon the

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teleride housing, we've got the name of it but where they established unit

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sizes we came up with a 1075 square foot units which is reasonable for a

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four-person household of that size. The main determining variable in here is the

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market price and we utilize sales in the Telluride region. The sales types were of units in

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multi-family buildings and we had multitude of sales to look at. You know well over 100 in some

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years over 230 sales per year and they look at which is great to establish an average sales price

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per square foot in each year. So for instance for this model we if you look at the yellow line

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on the graph we utilize the sales in 2020 which were $899 per square foot,

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2019, 772 and in 2018, $801 per square foot. If we took the those are the average

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the average sale in that year, divided by their square footage, and then we simply took

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an average of that, which is $824 per square foot in that area.

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And the reason we use sales and multi-family buildings is the most similar to the type

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of units that would be considered affordable and most closely are proximate to those types

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units. We didn't use single-family residence sales because those usually include other amenities

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or excess land which affordable units would not have. So once we had that $824 we simply deducted

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the dollars per square foot for the affordable price unit and that yields $527 per square foot

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and that's the gap and will also be used as the fee so to speak for construction proposed

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in the following year.

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This next slide shows how we calculate the impact fee.

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The first step is we need to determine how many construction jobs which are basically included

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in the construction of the unit and in the ongoing maintenance for that property.

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In this instance, we were able to skill use the labor generation rates that were utilized

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in 2005, it still takes the same amount of people to build the house, and it still takes

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It's the same amount of persons to...

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So we calculate the employees generated, which is taken the residential floor area proposed within the formula for the construction workers, the maintenance workers, and so that property would regenerate approximately 0.7 employees. Then we, the land use code provides the minimum amount of space required per employee.

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which currently it's 350 times the current mitigation rate which is 37% yields the

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employee housing square footage to be provided in this instance it would be 90 square feet and then

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finally we take that 527 dollars per square foot multiplied by the employee housing square foot to

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be provided and that yields the impact fee in this example of 47 approximately 48,000 dollars

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Once

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we have that, we have the market gap fee of $527, and we have a structure that

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we can compete with the impact fees.

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This is a table that shows what those fees would be approximately for properties from

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zero-feet up to 12,000 square feet, staff also proposes that the square footage be increased

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from 350 to 400, which would match the town that tell you right.

467
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:47,700
The max, one of the big proposals is to increase the mitigation fee or mitigation percentage

468
00:41:47,700 --> 00:41:55,240
from 37%, which we currently have from a graduated rate level from 30% to 90%.

469
00:41:57,100 --> 00:42:04,820
This table that is shown shows the different at the different square footages from 0 to

470
00:42:04,820 --> 00:42:11,100
1800, those properties would still be exempt from paying any impact fees.

471
00:42:11,780 --> 00:42:26,620
From 1801 to 2500, it would be a 30% from 2500 to 4,042%, I'm sorry, up to 3,000, and then

472
00:42:26,620 --> 00:42:37,460
from 3,000 to 4,000, 66% and then from 4,000 and 1 and above, it would be at the maximum 90% mitigation rate.

473
00:42:38,340 --> 00:42:50,020
And this table also shows that if the board of county commissioners were to required units at certain thresholds,

474
00:42:50,020 --> 00:43:01,280
by that different sizes at 400 and above which is in this instance would be above any proposal

475
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:11,740
above 5,876 square feet a unit would conceivably be required. If the board decided to only collect

476
00:43:11,740 --> 00:43:17,120
impact fees in the blue column or the blue highlighted it shows what those

477
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:27,080
impact fees would be. So you have a quick question. So is this an annual

478
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:33,240
recalculation based on AMI and the three-year running average? Yes, it'll change

479
00:43:33,240 --> 00:43:39,120
year-to-year. It will change year-to-year if the board directs or you know in the

480
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:45,060
approval as presented yes great yeah so it could go up or down just dependence on

481
00:43:45,060 --> 00:43:49,100
our economy and what's happening great thank you and that's another one of

482
00:43:49,100 --> 00:43:54,240
the reasons it's using a three-year average helps move out any variability

483
00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:57,900
between different years because just in this three or a period we could see

484
00:43:59,780 --> 00:44:00,340
variability

485
00:44:02,670 --> 00:44:08,630
this is a scenario that we have a potentially if someone were to

486
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:15,470
bill that 12,000 square foot house and propose building a in a stone district which allows

487
00:44:15,470 --> 00:44:24,010
a maximum square footage of 800 square foot ADU. This is a calculation that would occur

488
00:44:24,010 --> 00:44:30,570
and just really quickly go through this. The first calculation is to determine the number

489
00:44:30,570 --> 00:44:34,690
of employees generated, which in this case is nearly five.

490
00:44:35,770 --> 00:44:44,410
The employee housing square footage that could generate would be 1,679, which is larger

491
00:44:44,410 --> 00:44:47,290
than is allowed in many zone districts.

492
00:44:48,150 --> 00:44:56,090
The impact fee for the gross impact fee is approximately $885,000.

493
00:44:56,090 --> 00:44:58,290
if the commissioners

494
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,820
If you decide that the credit could be given if a applicant were to either be required to provide a unit or if they aren't required, if they voluntarily would provide a unit, indeed restricted with a occupancy covenant, that a credit would be given. So in this case, they would provide a unit. And also an impact fee of $463,000.

495
00:45:29,820 --> 00:45:38,420
approximately. I have one other question there. 12,000 square feet and above requires

496
00:45:38,420 --> 00:45:43,980
a special use permit. That's correct. This is your example, so it's good.

497
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:49,680
Yes, please don't rain on my parade. I would love to rain on your parade if it

498
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,220
actually brought rain. Yeah, good point. We don't get to do that.

499
00:45:52,220 --> 00:45:53,380
Question I could work, go ahead, sorry.

500
00:45:57,220 --> 00:46:03,380
The credit is based on the construction of a 400 square foot unit.

501
00:46:04,180 --> 00:46:08,720
In this case, it would be an 800 square foot unit.

502
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:09,640
Okay.

503
00:46:13,010 --> 00:46:15,810
All right, so actually, let me just re-answer questions.

504
00:46:15,930 --> 00:46:19,190
The credit is based on the square footage of the unit construction.

505
00:46:20,410 --> 00:46:20,910
That's correct.

506
00:46:22,490 --> 00:46:24,090
Okay, carry on.

507
00:46:24,850 --> 00:46:30,330
This is a comparison table between what is existing and what is proposed.

508
00:46:31,770 --> 00:46:38,790
Currently the square footage per employee is 350 and the mitigation rate is 37.

509
00:46:39,630 --> 00:46:49,950
And impact fees at a maximum size of 12,000 or approximately 58,000 with what is proposed

510
00:46:49,950 --> 00:46:56,030
Just with a 400 square foot per employer requirement and 90% impact mitigation, or I should

511
00:46:56,030 --> 00:47:00,970
say from a 30 to 90% impact mitigation rate.

512
00:47:01,750 --> 00:47:13,330
And for this year, $527 gap fee, the impact fees could, you know, go up to $885,000 approximately.

513
00:47:13,330 --> 00:47:19,470
So it is a significant proposal.

514
00:47:20,170 --> 00:47:31,990
And I just want to note, you'll see that we're dropping for the bottom end of the scale from 37% mitigation percentage to 30%.

515
00:47:31,990 --> 00:47:36,310
But there's still a significant net increase in fees.

516
00:47:36,310 --> 00:47:39,200
So yeah. Okay.

517
00:47:41,950 --> 00:47:48,930
So I'd like to present three options for adoption by board for the board of county commissioners.

518
00:47:50,670 --> 00:47:59,410
And this is just also these impact fees and mitigation requirements only occur in the tell you right are one school district

519
00:47:59,970 --> 00:48:06,970
because that's what the Nexus studies have shown this is where the employers are generated in the construct.

520
00:48:06,970 --> 00:48:12,930
in this area in which you know really puts pressure on the local housing market.

521
00:48:13,690 --> 00:48:23,110
So option one is to permit or require the payment and impact fees only similar to what

522
00:48:23,110 --> 00:48:27,510
we are doing currently in lieu of providing employee housing units.

523
00:48:27,510 --> 00:48:38,030
Option 2 is the payment of impact fees with an option of allowing applicants to provide

524
00:48:38,030 --> 00:48:43,670
employee housing units voluntarily for a credit to be applied to the payment of an impact

525
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:44,030
fee.

526
00:48:45,650 --> 00:48:56,330
Option 3 is also payment of impact fees and including an obligation to provide employee housing units

527
00:48:56,330 --> 00:49:04,130
It's if required and this is mitigation after 400 square feet or greater depending on

528
00:49:04,130 --> 00:49:10,310
the number of employees generated with a credit applied towards the payment of the impact

529
00:49:10,310 --> 00:49:10,630
fee.

530
00:49:13,230 --> 00:49:18,990
Each option would require the adoption of the San Miguel County Affordable Housing

531
00:49:18,990 --> 00:49:28,030
the methodology report and land use code amendments to implement the report and also the option

532
00:49:28,030 --> 00:49:36,890
that is chosen. So option one, which is payment of impact fees only, what we're going to get

533
00:49:36,890 --> 00:49:42,990
with this is we're more accurately reflect the value of affordable housing mitigation as

534
00:49:42,990 --> 00:49:45,390
composed compared to the current method.

535
00:49:46,530 --> 00:49:52,550
The implementation of this option is the least complex, we're already doing it, and also

536
00:49:52,550 --> 00:49:56,190
required the least amount of changes to the land use code.

537
00:49:56,190 --> 00:49:59,970
It does not include a requirement to construct deed-result-result-result-result-result-result.

538
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:09,380
Districted employee housing units on sites. And as a notation, secondary dwelling units are

539
00:50:09,380 --> 00:50:17,240
allowed without deed restriction in some zones in some areas of the district where these

540
00:50:17,240 --> 00:50:24,200
are required. Option 2, which is the payment of impact fees with the voluntary option to

541
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:30,940
provide employee housing for a credit towards the impact fee. This provision would prevent

542
00:50:30,940 --> 00:50:38,520
the voluntary construction of employee housing units on site in lieu or in lieu of full or

543
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:43,960
partial payment of the impact fee. And this only would apply in zone districts and areas

544
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:52,700
where second units are allowed. For instance, the Iderado subdivision is in the mobile house

545
00:50:52,700 --> 00:50:59,440
in the mobile home zone district which was the zone district which was in place when it was approved.

546
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:12,400
Only primary residence is permitted and at this point they are allowed to have accessory dwelling units or their caretaker unit or any secondary unit.

547
00:51:12,720 --> 00:51:20,280
It's also true in the rangeland grazing zone district in the two zone districts that were approved at Mill Creek, the Deep Creek Mesa

548
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:28,980
and which is the that is the low density residential zone district and that's

549
00:51:28,980 --> 00:51:34,320
the ones I can come up with that and then the Samagil River Canyon area that's

550
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:39,000
right of the of the at the zone district and those are that's a portion of the

551
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:46,020
master plan area which as you know they have issues with providing septic and

552
00:51:46,020 --> 00:51:52,420
each field. So those areas you just listed are areas where you're not allowed to do a secondary

553
00:51:53,260 --> 00:52:01,340
unit. Right. Correct. Okay. If a unit were built it would be subject to the

554
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:08,440
deed restriction and which is in place already and it would also include

555
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:15,020
a the deed restriction covenant which imposes occupancy requirements. It's very similar to

556
00:52:15,020 --> 00:52:22,160
the requirement or I'm sorry the covenant that is used say for instance in

557
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:27,820
San Bernardo were on a few of those properties the residents are allowed to

558
00:52:27,820 --> 00:52:32,460
have and accessory dwelling units that they rent out this just make sure that

559
00:52:32,460 --> 00:52:40,090
they stay occupied option three which includes the aim of the impact fees and an

560
00:52:40,090 --> 00:52:45,250
obligation to provide employee housing if required by the amount of

561
00:52:45,250 --> 00:52:51,230
improvement with a credit. This would only apply in zone districts where second

562
00:52:51,230 --> 00:52:58,050
units are allowed. Certain units are certain properties in which encompasses in

563
00:52:59,030 --> 00:53:04,890
the last three years all the properties that would have been required to provide

564
00:53:04,890 --> 00:53:12,690
a unit. They were all built in zone districts or in subdivisions or areas that

565
00:53:12,690 --> 00:53:19,570
that do not allow secondary units, so we would not have had a net gain of any units with

566
00:53:19,570 --> 00:53:20,230
that requirement.

567
00:53:23,750 --> 00:53:33,090
The planning commission also, if this option were approved, to also allow the construction

568
00:53:33,090 --> 00:53:39,050
of accessory dwelling units or caretaker units without deed restriction, when the total

569
00:53:39,050 --> 00:53:45,510
floor area of the principal dwelling unit plus the ADU or caretaker unit is less than

570
00:53:45,510 --> 00:53:52,330
4,000 feet so this only applies if if both of those units were less than 4,000

571
00:53:52,330 --> 00:53:59,330
square feet. Once they go above that then that caretaker unit would be required

572
00:53:59,330 --> 00:54:05,210
to be de-restricted and also the unit is less than 50% of the floor area of the

573
00:54:05,210 --> 00:54:11,290
principal dwelling and that is just to you know make sure that the scope of these two buildings

574
00:54:11,290 --> 00:54:18,150
that one is subservient to the other. A main residence and an actual caretaker or IDU.

575
00:54:18,950 --> 00:54:25,190
If an employee housing unit is required and the mitigation requirement size exceeds the

576
00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:33,370
immediate maximum unit size allowed so for instance units that are in say for instance the ski

577
00:54:33,370 --> 00:54:41,130
ranches or out of the soro or other places where the maximum unit allowed is an 800 square foot

578
00:54:41,130 --> 00:54:50,450
ADU. They would build a unit up to that maximum unit size and then receive a credit for the remain

579
00:54:51,230 --> 00:54:58,210
I'm sorry, they would pay the impact fee for the remainder of the square foot that they are

580
00:54:58,710 --> 00:54:59,550
Yeah.

581
00:55:01,650 --> 00:55:31,430
I have to say implementation, administration and enforcement of this option is complex. We would have units that were built from 1994 through 2007 that were required units. Then we would have from 2007 to 2022, where many free market ADUs were constructed. And then we would have ADUs and caretook units built

582
00:55:31,430 --> 00:55:38,930
from 2022 on that would have to be accounted for and dealt with separately in each instance.

583
00:55:39,170 --> 00:55:44,370
Commissioner Wearing. John, would option number two be less complex through a minister?

584
00:55:44,990 --> 00:55:57,430
Yes. Why is that? That is because if somebody part of the not only implementing and

585
00:55:57,430 --> 00:56:00,630
and it's straighting it also requires enforcement.

586
00:56:00,750 --> 00:56:03,530
If someone is voluntarily providing a unit,

587
00:56:04,190 --> 00:56:08,550
they are most more likely going to be motivated

588
00:56:10,660 --> 00:56:14,360
to follow the conditions that are required

589
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:16,120
by the regional housing authority

590
00:56:16,790 --> 00:56:18,480
in the deed restriction and covenant.

591
00:56:19,140 --> 00:56:22,460
It's not a guarantee, but you would think

592
00:56:22,460 --> 00:56:24,600
if they're imposing this upon themselves,

593
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:28,260
they are allowing a tenant to be on their property.

594
00:56:28,260 --> 00:56:30,260
It was their choice to allow it.

595
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:33,220
It wasn't a mandated issue by the county.

596
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:36,560
That is the thought behind it.

597
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:41,960
And we just had, this was brought up within the planning commission,

598
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:47,960
that what if somebody didn't want to pay the impact fee?

599
00:56:48,140 --> 00:56:49,280
They wanted to have an option.

600
00:56:49,580 --> 00:56:53,620
They think that, or they would like to be able to provide a unit on the property.

601
00:56:53,620 --> 00:57:07,220
this at least gives them the option to do it and it might be the better, a more realistic way to actually get some units onto a property.

602
00:57:10,310 --> 00:57:25,490
And I'd also like to add on option three, there's a somewhat unresolved problem in there that if somebody comes in under the threshold to provide a unit and then later on they do an addition,

603
00:57:25,490 --> 00:57:28,210
and do they just pay the fee or have,

604
00:57:28,450 --> 00:57:31,830
and successfully circumvent the ADU requirement,

605
00:57:32,110 --> 00:57:34,490
or do they suddenly have to also build an ADU?

606
00:57:35,470 --> 00:57:38,530
So it's, and then the other thing

607
00:57:38,530 --> 00:57:41,110
we had a significant discussion at the Planning Commission

608
00:57:41,730 --> 00:57:45,850
was people, once upon a time people were happy

609
00:57:46,270 --> 00:57:48,350
to have somebody maintaining their property

610
00:57:48,350 --> 00:57:50,710
or able to watch their property living on site.

611
00:57:51,330 --> 00:57:54,370
With all the services and technology that we've had since,

612
00:57:55,010 --> 00:57:59,590
they don't want that as much anymore, they, you know, most people want to, they

613
00:57:59,590 --> 00:58:04,810
further privacy instead. So there's, you know, we expect that there would be

614
00:58:04,810 --> 00:58:11,470
pushback there as well. Well, and I just think the obligatory construction

615
00:58:11,470 --> 00:58:14,170
hasn't really worked all that well for us in the past.

616
00:58:17,410 --> 00:58:18,830
I just, one, I just want

617
00:58:18,830 --> 00:58:22,770
to say thank you for an incredible amount of work that has obviously gone into

618
00:58:22,770 --> 00:58:26,090
this and presenting us with three options is great.

619
00:58:26,310 --> 00:58:28,650
I really like the fact that we have these two.

620
00:58:28,950 --> 00:58:29,270
Talk about.

621
00:58:29,930 --> 00:58:32,590
I will try to get through the remainder of this quickly.

622
00:58:33,110 --> 00:58:34,910
Some of it's the required stuff.

623
00:58:37,130 --> 00:58:41,850
The proposed land use amendment to the land use code

624
00:58:41,850 --> 00:58:45,170
would affect the affordable housing fees and mitigation

625
00:58:45,870 --> 00:58:51,010
is contained in sections 5-13, which is the ADU

626
00:58:51,010 --> 00:58:57,770
affordable housing section and associated sections which contain the standards for different

627
00:58:57,770 --> 00:59:05,230
zone districts such as low-density, high-density, medium-density, forestry, and many others.

628
00:59:06,150 --> 00:59:11,390
The difference that we are proposing is that clinics e to the land use code would contain

629
00:59:11,390 --> 00:59:16,670
the procedures necessary for staff to update the employee housing mitigation fee on an annual

630
00:59:16,670 --> 00:59:22,850
basis B.O.C.C. action would not be needed to adjust the fee unless and until

631
00:59:22,850 --> 00:59:27,810
the methodology were changed. The draft amendment contained in your meeting

632
00:59:27,810 --> 00:59:32,630
packet is consistent with the requirements proposed in option three. We're not

633
00:59:32,630 --> 00:59:38,130
recommending that, but that is what we had proposed to the planning commission

634
00:59:38,130 --> 00:59:45,590
and that is we have not made any adjustments to it. This meeting the meeting

635
00:59:45,590 --> 00:59:53,730
agenda for the planning commission meeting was posted in the paper on I'm sorry and they

636
00:59:53,730 --> 00:59:59,790
should say the public hearing notice was posted yes published this when required it was when

637
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:29,800
The requirement was actually published on May 25th in the paper and I have a different date here. We both missed it. And the draft land use amendment has been available since April 20th on the line. We did receive one comment. This week, Morgan Smith, the county resident, wrote in support of allowing, de-districted housing caretaker units in the F zone subject to review. It also included comments about decreasing or increasing the amount that a property

638
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,220
or proposions could be spaced.

639
01:00:32,820 --> 01:00:35,800
But that is not part of our deliberations today.

640
01:00:37,700 --> 01:00:44,100
This was referred to the listed agencies.

641
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:47,900
We did receive comments back from the county assistant manager

642
01:00:47,900 --> 01:00:49,000
and the town of Tellurag.

643
01:00:49,860 --> 01:00:52,800
Town was just very minor clarifications,

644
01:00:53,100 --> 01:00:54,220
fractions, which were made,

645
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:56,560
and the county manager was consulted

646
01:00:56,560 --> 01:01:02,360
while this draft was prepared and this comments have been incorporated into the draft as presented.

647
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:07,080
The review standards for land use code amendments are listed here.

648
01:01:08,540 --> 01:01:14,960
And it allows that land use code amendments may be initiated by the county or persons or residents.

649
01:01:15,620 --> 01:01:18,120
And this amendment was requested by the BOCC.

650
01:01:18,820 --> 01:01:24,380
Land use code amendments shall be drafted in a form consistent with the organizational format and style of the code.

651
01:01:24,380 --> 01:01:28,340
and the proposed amendment has been drafted in the format and style of the code,

652
01:01:28,580 --> 01:01:32,180
and the employee housing mitigation fee method and calculation tables

653
01:01:32,180 --> 01:01:37,060
will be in appendix to the code to allow for annual fee updates

654
01:01:37,060 --> 01:01:40,780
without the need to go through a land use code amendment each and every time.

655
01:01:42,460 --> 01:01:48,120
And then also, purposes of the land use code implement is to implement policies

656
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:55,160
and to him regarding land use and development, housing growth and related issues, and the

657
01:01:55,160 --> 01:02:01,900
its amendment ensures that residential development that is causing the impact provide meaningful

658
01:02:01,900 --> 01:02:08,080
fees and mitigation that contribute to alleviating that foreign housing shortage in the region.

659
01:02:08,980 --> 01:02:15,240
Fees collected are used to implement housing programs consistent with county land use policies

660
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:18,060
and standards and county master plan goals.

661
01:02:19,900 --> 01:02:24,060
The county planning commission, as Kay and I kind of

662
01:02:24,060 --> 01:02:29,140
interweaving, they did approve unanimously after much

663
01:02:29,140 --> 01:02:32,600
discussion and consternation approval of the new

664
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:36,220
impact fees to require the provision of affordable housing

665
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:42,620
units as presented in the report and to also allow up to a

666
01:02:42,620 --> 01:02:45,920
certain size threshold accessory dwelling units or

667
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:47,940
caretaker units without the restriction.

668
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:56,920
They have listed or discussed concerns during

669
01:02:56,920 --> 01:03:03,080
their meeting that requiring units is an infringement on property owners and enjoyment

670
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:05,700
of the property if a unit is required on site.

671
01:03:08,180 --> 01:03:12,720
Currently, they would be more excited to

672
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:23,260
require units if there were options to build off-site if there were unit or not units but places where

673
01:03:24,140 --> 01:03:31,900
they could build a unit off-site but nothing existed this time. Multiple zone districts, subdivisions,

674
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:41,440
second residences, prohibit, secondary units, and that was concern of theirs. And also as we

675
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:51,540
We discussed earlier within 2020 to 2022, a three-year period new construction or additions

676
01:03:51,540 --> 01:03:57,840
within San Miguel County, there were 44 projects and not one of them would have provided

677
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:04,900
a obligatory unit because we're not allowed in those zone districts or areas where those

678
01:04:04,900 --> 01:04:07,660
new construction occurred.

679
01:04:07,660 --> 01:04:14,680
And they were concerned that new, all new, the 80s and caretakers are

680
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:19,340
de-restricted rather than as they are currently allowed to be built on the

681
01:04:19,340 --> 01:04:23,780
property now. They're concerned about infringement on the property rights of

682
01:04:23,780 --> 01:04:28,740
Elleners. And they also brought up a good point when are the effect, when is the

683
01:04:28,740 --> 01:04:35,480
effective data of these fees proposed? And in our recommendation, we're suggesting

684
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:40,900
July 15th and once we get through our recommendation, we are also going to ask

685
01:04:40,900 --> 01:04:47,940
to come back at a future meeting with a resolution after you have decided which

686
01:04:47,940 --> 01:04:54,960
option you wish to put forth and so staff recommends adoption of the report

687
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:59,440
and associated land use code amendments consistent with option two.

688
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:27,800
With an effective date of July 15th for the new fees, we're in property owners who wish to build. Indeed, restrict an 80-year caretaker unit could do so in exchange for a credit towards the mitigation fee. And this contains the suggested or sample motion for option two. And we also contained it one, if you choose to make that obligatory for option three.

689
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:31,420
and could answer any questions.

690
01:05:31,540 --> 01:05:31,700
Great.

691
01:05:31,900 --> 01:05:34,360
I see Commissioner Cooper has her hand up.

692
01:05:34,580 --> 01:05:34,840
Go ahead.

693
01:05:36,740 --> 01:05:37,300
Thanks.

694
01:05:37,460 --> 01:05:41,980
Just quickly, John, back to the CPC recommendations,

695
01:05:42,860 --> 01:05:45,960
and they have misunderstood the way you read that.

696
01:05:47,580 --> 01:05:51,800
The requirement that they were concerned about

697
01:05:52,100 --> 01:05:53,900
the requirement that eight of these

698
01:05:53,900 --> 01:05:56,820
and 30 audience are at the district or they were concerned

699
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:10,640
They were concerned that they brought up a several examples of what about a property owner who does not wish to build a

700
01:06:11,740 --> 01:06:19,600
4,000 square foot house or in this case a 6,000 square foot house that would require a deed restriction.

701
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:26,080
they posited what if we built a 2,000 square foot house and a 1,000 square foot

702
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:33,660
ADU but we don't want the ADU to be de-restricted and so they carved out an

703
01:06:33,660 --> 01:06:43,180
exception for properties that would allow up to 4,000 square feet for each

704
01:06:43,180 --> 01:06:52,020
improvement to that. They've created a scenario where you could still have an undead restricted

705
01:06:52,020 --> 01:06:57,080
or free market, ADU, with your house, basically a guest house.

706
01:06:59,850 --> 01:07:10,050
And if you choose option two, that kind of negates that. And the Planning Commission discussion

707
01:07:10,050 --> 01:07:18,090
was quite robust. And they brought up a really good point, Hillary, that I, prior to that

708
01:07:18,090 --> 01:07:25,670
meeting, had not properly researched the zone districts and areas within the Telluride

709
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:33,650
R1 school district that do not allow secondary units. And I was amazed. It really surprised

710
01:07:33,650 --> 01:07:39,250
me, because I thought that we would have gained, you know, at least three units during this

711
01:07:39,250 --> 01:07:45,190
time period because there were houses that would have been required it and all of them were within

712
01:07:45,190 --> 01:07:53,050
Iterado or in the Rangeline grazing zone district which they couldn't build the units even if they

713
01:07:53,050 --> 01:08:01,850
wanted to and that with you know the problems that we foresee in enforcing and demonstrating and

714
01:08:02,610 --> 01:08:08,690
keeping up with all the different iterations that we've had for

715
01:08:08,690 --> 01:08:16,010
deed-restricted units. It just is super complex and I don't think would yield the

716
01:08:16,010 --> 01:08:21,690
result that I think you were especially looking for, you know, adding units.

717
01:08:22,070 --> 01:08:27,090
And option two I think gives at least an option to people who wouldn't be

718
01:08:27,090 --> 01:08:32,670
required, but may opt to build them to save money on their fees.

719
01:08:33,270 --> 01:08:33,890
Commissioner Waring.

720
01:08:33,970 --> 01:08:35,430
It was a planning commission.

721
01:08:35,810 --> 01:08:35,950
Sorry.

722
01:08:36,370 --> 01:08:37,070
Could probably continue.

723
01:08:37,590 --> 01:08:37,710
Yeah.

724
01:08:37,890 --> 01:08:38,090
Go ahead.

725
01:08:39,130 --> 01:08:54,830
Was the planning commission amenable to the developer or homeowner building these ADUs as

726
01:08:54,830 --> 01:08:59,010
is a credit for a court of law, isn't it?

727
01:08:59,170 --> 01:08:59,710
What do you think?

728
01:09:00,090 --> 01:09:04,570
Are they just talking about they want to give the homeowner

729
01:09:04,570 --> 01:09:06,330
permission to fill the guest house,

730
01:09:06,490 --> 01:09:10,370
but it would not be a credit for a court of law.

731
01:09:10,950 --> 01:09:12,950
I think it's two separate questions.

732
01:09:13,450 --> 01:09:17,170
The first one, if I understand it, would be,

733
01:09:18,270 --> 01:09:21,550
they would like people to still have the option

734
01:09:21,550 --> 01:09:26,670
to be able to build secondary units without a deed restriction on the

735
01:09:26,670 --> 01:09:36,170
property. As a mitigation? No. No, not as a mitigation. No, it's and so they

736
01:09:36,170 --> 01:09:42,670
would be paying fees. They would be paying fees on both structures. Yeah, above

737
01:09:42,670 --> 01:09:47,610
certain sizes. Right. If they get the credit, it has to be deed restricted. Right.

738
01:09:47,610 --> 01:09:50,270
Okay. Okay. Just wanted to make sure we're on the same page.

739
01:09:50,630 --> 01:09:51,170
Okay. You bet.

740
01:09:51,830 --> 01:09:55,930
I don't know a lot of questions, but if somebody would want to...

741
01:09:55,930 --> 01:09:56,390
Let's see.

742
01:09:56,470 --> 01:09:59,970
And I guess just process wise, so you presented...

743
01:10:00,580 --> 01:10:09,960
Your report, by the way, is excellent in the memo. Thank you very much. You obviously spent a lot of time in training at that report, and it's an excellent report.

744
01:10:22,900 --> 01:10:30,500
Let's go to if she can get your questions. Okay. Go ahead with your questions.

745
01:10:38,990 --> 01:10:46,230
I will get into some of the other questions I have.

746
01:10:47,130 --> 01:10:57,110
One, and this is sort of just a comment that we, you stated a few times, and in the

747
01:10:57,110 --> 01:11:05,950
I don't forget in the memo that this would generate a sufficient mitigation for affordable housing.

748
01:11:06,210 --> 01:11:10,010
And I just want us to be really careful in the way we state that.

749
01:11:10,170 --> 01:11:17,330
While this would certainly generate more than we are doing now, it would not still not generate a sufficient amount.

750
01:11:17,650 --> 01:11:23,450
One of your calculations indicated that this could have generated $2-3 million dollars over the past couple years.

751
01:11:23,450 --> 01:11:36,370
That's still not an adequate amount for us to, you know, address the thousand units or more that we are behind right now in generating.

752
01:11:36,770 --> 01:11:40,950
So, I think we just need to be careful in our language that...

753
01:11:40,950 --> 01:11:42,150
And I agree.

754
01:12:02,710 --> 01:12:07,550
I think he's trying to explain the rationale.

755
01:12:07,730 --> 01:12:10,850
This is a way of trying to mitigate the new construction.

756
01:12:10,850 --> 01:12:14,830
and we're not allowed to make up mitigation.

757
01:12:15,290 --> 01:12:19,150
We can only go to mitigate the actual projects

758
01:12:19,150 --> 01:12:20,210
that are being proposed.

759
01:12:20,810 --> 01:12:22,510
Everything that's happened in the past week,

760
01:12:23,670 --> 01:12:26,950
with this method, we cannot make that up

761
01:12:26,950 --> 01:12:29,210
and by statute, it's not allowed.

762
01:12:29,570 --> 01:12:29,750
Yes.

763
01:12:30,330 --> 01:12:35,170
And what we're doing here is we are making up the gap.

764
01:12:35,670 --> 01:12:38,050
So we still, as public entities,

765
01:12:38,050 --> 01:12:45,110
you saw to come up with the funds needed to build the housing, this just supplemented

766
01:12:45,110 --> 01:12:45,870
the gap.

767
01:12:46,150 --> 01:12:48,770
It's not sufficient in other words to cover the whole price.

768
01:12:49,050 --> 01:12:55,090
So I'm just reminding us that we still need to do more, and let's not use this before

769
01:12:55,090 --> 01:12:59,950
to say, this will be sufficient to address, you know, maybe in the future.

770
01:13:00,390 --> 01:13:01,510
I don't believe that was the intention.

771
01:13:07,550 --> 01:13:08,030
Okay.

772
01:13:13,820 --> 01:13:14,480
the

773
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:22,980
address that I certainly wouldn't do the planning mission that all of these units

774
01:13:22,980 --> 01:13:28,740
that would be generated, if we go with that, about any units that are generated whether

775
01:13:28,740 --> 01:13:37,120
they're voluntary or regulated should be up to our de-districtions and then I do have

776
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:43,020
some questions about the specific de-distriction that I'm not sure should be addressed through

777
01:13:43,020 --> 01:13:49,880
this conversation, but like for example, you know, if the owner was was building on site and

778
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:54,480
wanted to bring a caretaker that maybe came in from their other properties and other counties, etc.

779
01:13:54,920 --> 01:14:00,420
And that person didn't have a history of residency in this area, you know, how would be accommodate

780
01:14:00,420 --> 01:14:07,120
that? And maybe that's for a future leader restriction discussion, but that's something that we should

781
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:13,220
consider. In other words, we're trying to house people who currently live and work in

782
01:14:13,220 --> 01:14:18,800
the region, or be okay with housing new residents who will be coming in, who may fall

783
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:22,440
under the rest of our jurisdiction categories, just to-

784
01:14:22,440 --> 01:14:27,940
We need to be qualified employees. So, we could address that in a future meeting and

785
01:14:27,940 --> 01:14:29,300
or through an exception process.

786
01:14:31,820 --> 01:14:36,560
Okay. I'm not a big fan of leaving things up to exception processes, because those are getting

787
01:14:37,340 --> 01:14:43,900
We can address it in a future meeting just trying to address what we have right in front

788
01:14:43,900 --> 01:14:44,200
of us.

789
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:45,360
But I think that's a good point.

790
01:14:46,940 --> 01:14:47,060
Yeah.

791
01:14:47,480 --> 01:14:56,000
If we adopt a requirement for providing the unit, then we could work on, you know, with

792
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:59,680
of Lewis on developing a

793
01:15:00,180 --> 01:15:15,280
Deed restriction, covenant that would be applicable and address that. And then another question, I know that the restriction is the amount of rent that could be charged. Are we going to restrict that, which came now by, you know, with the

794
01:15:30,180 --> 01:15:32,300
another question for that future discussion.

795
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:38,380
And then, I think there's sort of published

796
01:15:38,380 --> 01:15:42,400
in that, I'm not sure if it's a low resolution,

797
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:47,860
in our packets of where the zone districts

798
01:15:47,860 --> 01:15:51,640
that would allow this type of units,

799
01:15:52,100 --> 01:15:54,840
maybe that's a work session for the future as well.

800
01:15:58,100 --> 01:16:02,920
And again, it was a little hard for me to review because it's really low.

801
01:16:03,940 --> 01:16:07,320
I couldn't zoom in to the map in my packet.

802
01:16:07,620 --> 01:16:10,780
So maybe that will be something for us to consider.

803
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:17,740
And the feature is to really take a look at those zones and adjust those zones if we think that that's appropriate.

804
01:16:24,730 --> 01:16:34,660
Then the generation through the requirements, so I'm under option number 3, the requirement

805
01:16:34,660 --> 01:16:44,140
I believe the way the town does this is if the development gerates one employee or more

806
01:16:44,140 --> 01:16:55,840
then that triggers the requirement of passing to be built on site or to be the

807
01:16:55,840 --> 01:17:04,060
town also allows a pre-martial unit to be purchased and de-districted, which

808
01:17:04,060 --> 01:17:10,640
is something that I would be interested in looking at as opposed to you know

809
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:19,580
say you didn't. So it's just kind of a question there. I don't know if you guys want to address that now or

810
01:17:21,380 --> 01:17:29,080
if I understand correctly they the county used to allow that or the town did and most of those

811
01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:38,020
HOAs and and they don't allow those to be purchased and deed restricted anymore so I don't think there's

812
01:17:38,020 --> 01:17:42,600
a huge opportunity to do that.

813
01:17:43,220 --> 01:17:49,680
Yeah, that's the second bullet on the concerns list on this slide, that the planning commission

814
01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:50,320
talked about.

815
01:17:50,440 --> 01:17:55,600
There's just a lack of options to deed restrict units offsite that are within the R1 school

816
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:56,000
district.

817
01:17:56,000 --> 01:18:06,420
So well that they're I mean they're I think I read this as there's no lack of

818
01:18:06,420 --> 01:18:13,320
options to build and that was your correct but there's also a lack of areas

819
01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:18,300
that to do the purchase as well and they even talked about what if he allowed

820
01:18:18,300 --> 01:18:25,900
to build in Norwood but then we're that would be allowing the the impacts to be

821
01:18:25,900 --> 01:18:31,340
exported and it it's not providing the employees where the employees housing where

822
01:18:31,340 --> 01:18:40,320
they're generated just by the North Area. I mean I guess I would just kind of throw that out to the

823
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:45,260
to my fellow commissioners if that's something that you guys would be interested in

824
01:18:45,260 --> 01:18:57,800
exploring the you know allowing them to buy down a free market unit within the

825
01:18:57,800 --> 01:19:06,860
anything would preclude that, as we've got it drafted, we just don't see a high

826
01:19:06,860 --> 01:19:07,400
probability.

827
01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:12,080
Any other questions?

828
01:19:22,050 --> 01:19:26,730
So multi-unit residential, are you

829
01:19:26,730 --> 01:19:33,590
constantly that that would be considered when we consider the commercial,

830
01:19:33,590 --> 01:19:46,750
I'm updating the commercial date or commercial mitigation rates or why did you not include multi-intermittial in this case?

831
01:19:47,790 --> 01:19:57,570
Yeah, I just wanted to get something accomplished or something done and bring something forward. That is in the next phase.

832
01:19:57,570 --> 01:19:59,750
Yeah, right now the mitigation

833
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:08,500
Motion fee does apply to single family and two family, and then multi-family requires the actual provision of units.

834
01:20:10,980 --> 01:20:22,980
So, yeah, it's a different section of the code. We do have in here clarification, though, because there's some confusion in the current code about how multi-family is dealt with, so there's some clean up there.

835
01:20:25,790 --> 01:20:28,630
We'll be back with part two.

836
01:20:28,630 --> 01:20:29,650
Okay.

837
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:38,120
Well, when I remember when my earlier question was just on process, so there are

838
01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:44,740
great specific updates to the land use code that were mentioned in our packets. And I think

839
01:20:44,740 --> 01:20:48,380
some of this will obviously

840
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:55,220
the motion has been an impact though. So I wonder if you plan

841
01:20:55,220 --> 01:21:00,440
to take the time to go through those specific updates in our land use code so that we can comment

842
01:21:00,440 --> 01:21:10,800
from that language or. We anticipate based on upon the you know the option. Chosen it will

843
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:19,480
come back with a resolution which includes the land use code language and unfortunately I will

844
01:21:19,480 --> 01:21:26,960
not be there or I don't plan on being here for that meeting but. Okay as well as graciously

845
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:29,740
allowed me to leave at that time.

846
01:21:36,500 --> 01:21:42,040
And then this is kind of to the effective date as well.

847
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:45,700
Or I assume because this is what's published in your document

848
01:21:45,700 --> 01:21:47,420
that we're using in 2021.

849
01:21:48,420 --> 01:21:51,800
Hydrates and not 2022, which have been published.

850
01:21:53,340 --> 01:21:58,460
I had attempted to, I was unable to get the material or information I needed

851
01:21:58,460 --> 01:22:05,700
it in a timely way to update things and also bring it forward to the planning commission

852
01:22:05,700 --> 01:22:07,960
and to the board of county commissioners.

853
01:22:08,900 --> 01:22:19,240
Conceivably we could update for the next following year it might include two years of update.

854
01:22:20,380 --> 01:22:26,660
Because we are only up to 2020 in sales and the next time we would update it, we would

855
01:22:26,660 --> 01:22:35,120
include 2021 and 2022 when we would update in 2023 so it's just the time you've

856
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:41,460
when date is available so yeah that was I guess kind of my question too so how it is

857
01:22:41,460 --> 01:22:52,160
for hard to publish the AMI updates in April of every year so do you plan on an annual update of this

858
01:22:52,160 --> 01:22:54,560
or is it going to be every two years, or?

859
01:22:55,560 --> 01:22:58,340
Well, we wanted to really work as hard as we could.

860
01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:01,680
This will be updated annually.

861
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:04,340
We would just-

862
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:06,300
Administratively, I think, really.

863
01:23:06,580 --> 01:23:09,280
I suppose that's the PSC every year.

864
01:23:09,340 --> 01:23:10,560
You're absolutely correct.

865
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:17,220
It's very difficult to get that AMI information in a timely way,

866
01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:19,620
so we would just use the previous year.

867
01:23:19,620 --> 01:23:27,640
So for 2023, we would end up using 2022, because that would have been available since,

868
01:23:28,380 --> 01:23:34,440
you know, at least a couple of months already, whereas the 2023, you're right, doesn't

869
01:23:34,440 --> 01:23:41,260
come available to at least April, and we anticipated that the update would occur hopefully by April

870
01:23:41,260 --> 01:23:42,340
30th of each year.

871
01:23:42,340 --> 01:23:43,220
Okay,

872
01:23:46,610 --> 01:23:51,790
yeah, so in that case, it would be really hard to use the, um, that you're a family

873
01:23:51,790 --> 01:23:58,790
reason. Um, and then just in terms of you brought this up earlier, the enforcement and

874
01:23:58,790 --> 01:24:04,590
administration of all of this, I think I'm still not clear at this because we don't really

875
01:24:04,590 --> 01:24:13,430
have an active, um, regional housing authority right now. Um, you know, what portion of this

876
01:24:13,430 --> 01:24:18,390
this is going to be administered by the regional housing authority versus the planning department

877
01:24:18,390 --> 01:24:25,030
and I think, you know, in most of not all other resort counties, this is very much managed

878
01:24:25,030 --> 01:24:27,030
by our regional housing authority.

879
01:24:27,710 --> 01:24:28,390
That is.

880
01:24:28,530 --> 01:24:28,970
That is.

881
01:24:29,130 --> 01:24:32,410
It's a great producer, et cetera, so I think that's just something for the commissioners

882
01:24:32,410 --> 01:24:37,370
to keep in mind is that while this may be really burdensome to have planning staff right

883
01:24:37,370 --> 01:24:42,990
now because we don't really have an active regional housing authority, once we do have an active

884
01:24:42,990 --> 01:24:48,870
regional housing authority? I think it's significant amount of this can be managed by that.

885
01:24:52,340 --> 01:24:57,960
I think we're well on our way to having a reactive regional housing authority so I think this will be hopefully a

886
01:24:57,960 --> 01:24:59,180
point. Yeah.

887
01:25:01,230 --> 01:25:30,730
Any other questions? Commissioner Waring? I, Hillary, caught one of my questions, which was I would like to pick up that discussion about potential zone districts that we could adjust that don't have an underlying subdivision preclusion of restricted units. With that, I support the concept of purchasing an existing unit, Hillary. But

888
01:25:30,730 --> 01:25:38,450
have heard pretty clearly that that opportunity is low percentage. If K feels like that option is not

889
01:25:38,450 --> 01:25:45,190
precluded in this language and doesn't need to be called out, then I'm fine to proceed and

890
01:25:45,190 --> 01:25:51,550
I lean towards option two. And I would just add, yeah, in our upcoming master plan processes to make

891
01:25:51,550 --> 01:25:58,250
sure that we review, and I know we will, the second unit preclusion or inclusion on any of those,

892
01:25:58,250 --> 01:26:05,530
I think some of those areas are actually right for potential increased density and close

893
01:26:05,530 --> 01:26:06,050
into town.

894
01:26:06,230 --> 01:26:07,030
So appreciate that.

895
01:26:07,150 --> 01:26:09,730
And I also lean to option two.

896
01:26:10,390 --> 01:26:16,770
In that master plan discussion that's coming towards us, is that the time that we would

897
01:26:16,770 --> 01:26:22,650
consider Morgan Smith's suggestion of changing the 300-square-foot?

898
01:26:22,650 --> 01:26:27,710
The three hundred. Yeah, that could actually be a that could actually be a land use code amendment

899
01:26:28,950 --> 01:26:36,810
Initiated any time, but we've got a few other things ahead. Okay, I'd like to keep that on the list. Yeah

900
01:26:37,470 --> 01:26:37,990
please

901
01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:43,820
Thank any further questions from commissioners

902
01:26:44,640 --> 01:26:45,800
glad commissioner Cooper

903
01:26:47,060 --> 01:26:48,860
We still have public comment to go through

904
01:26:54,580 --> 01:26:55,620
You're muted

905
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:10,160
In that master plan discussion, just curious if HOA's can, you know, if we put this in place,

906
01:27:10,500 --> 01:27:21,160
could HOA or in the open up the areas where these units can be constructed, HOA's could

907
01:27:21,160 --> 01:27:23,900
not further restrict that, correct?

908
01:27:24,280 --> 01:27:30,480
Or could HOA language get even more restricted than county language in terms of limiting the

909
01:27:30,480 --> 01:27:33,880
options before we're housing the innovation on site.

910
01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:36,300
I'd want to research that.

911
01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:36,880
Yeah.

912
01:27:37,340 --> 01:27:39,880
In one instance, the only one I've really researched.

913
01:27:40,100 --> 01:27:42,560
Ianorado does in their declaration.

914
01:27:42,980 --> 01:27:46,520
Not, yeah, Ianorado does allow accessory dwelling units.

915
01:27:46,900 --> 01:27:47,860
Does or does not.

916
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:48,320
It does.

917
01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:51,800
They do, but our zoning does, but the zoning precludes it.

918
01:27:52,060 --> 01:27:53,600
So there is an opportunity.

919
01:27:54,200 --> 01:27:55,620
That would be a good one.

920
01:28:00,050 --> 01:28:01,730
OK, there's no further questions right now

921
01:28:01,730 --> 01:28:02,530
from the commissioners.

922
01:28:03,350 --> 01:28:10,350
If we can not share your screen for just a minute so I can see if there's any public we'll

923
01:28:10,350 --> 01:28:16,310
open the public hearing and if a member of the public would like to speak please raise

924
01:28:16,310 --> 01:28:17,670
your hand and

925
01:28:23,110 --> 01:28:24,910
I am not seeing any.

926
01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:32,620
So with that we will close the public comment portion of the public hearing and Commissioner

927
01:28:32,620 --> 01:28:36,340
Cooper your hand is raised.

928
01:28:38,500 --> 01:28:47,520
So this is a little bit to my point earlier, this is excellent progress and I'm glad

929
01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:53,260
we're here and I'm very much thankful she's there for working on this despite all the

930
01:28:53,260 --> 01:29:02,080
interruptions we've heard in the meantime, but still in my mind, while this progress still

931
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:10,680
is not sufficient to address our global housing, lack of affordable housing, and also it is,

932
01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:16,600
you know, honestly, just really targeted to the future. Need for affordable housing, so

933
01:29:16,600 --> 01:29:27,880
additionally, for affordable housing, and I still think you need to address additional ways to

934
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:42,660
to bring funds in like some of the levy that's dedicated to affordable housing when you start across more evenly, you know, obviously a lot of development has happened in the meantime that has not been sufficiently paying into any kind of affordable housing innovation.

935
01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:57,860
So I think it's on us, commissioners, to continue to work on this and find more ways to more sufficiently more advocacy, community or our huge affordable housing.

936
01:29:57,860 --> 01:29:58,100
Thank you very much.

937
01:30:00,270 --> 01:30:02,670
Okay. We're ready for motion.

938
01:30:05,090 --> 01:30:09,390
John, could I ask you to pull up that suggested motion for option two, please?

939
01:30:18,450 --> 01:30:21,290
I move to approve the San Miguel County Affordable Housing

940
01:30:40,450 --> 01:30:47,490
of Land Use Code Section 5-1802, Land Use Code Amendments is consistent with Land Use Code

941
01:30:47,490 --> 01:30:53,330
Section 1-4, purposes of Land Use Code, and implements the Land Use Code policies for

942
01:30:53,330 --> 01:30:59,970
housing as contained in Section 2-29, and a direct staff to prepare a resolution with an

943
01:30:59,970 --> 01:31:04,790
effective date of July 15th for the new fees and for consideration and adoption of the

944
01:31:04,790 --> 01:31:09,710
July 6th meeting with direction to staff to revise the Land Use Code Amendment to allow

945
01:31:09,710 --> 01:31:15,690
fee credit if a secondary dwelling unit is built and voluntarily deed restricted and

946
01:31:15,690 --> 01:31:20,610
removing the requirement to deed restrict accessory dwelling units and caretaker units.

947
01:31:24,330 --> 01:31:25,510
We have a motion?

948
01:31:25,890 --> 01:31:32,990
I'll second and I for discussion I just don't really understand that last section.

949
01:31:33,790 --> 01:31:34,390
Last sentence?

950
01:31:34,850 --> 01:31:36,090
Why are we moving?

951
01:31:36,970 --> 01:31:40,130
I believe because then it is going to be paid for.

952
01:31:40,130 --> 01:31:46,990
Well, as drafted and presented to you today, it had the requirement to deed restricts.

953
01:31:47,190 --> 01:31:52,830
So, it's to amend what was, or to remove it from what was presented to you today.

954
01:31:52,830 --> 01:31:58,190
No, it's because you had often to read the code as it now exists, but to remove it from the draft.

955
01:31:59,290 --> 01:32:03,610
So, we're still deed restricting any voluntary correct.

956
01:32:03,610 --> 01:32:03,970
Correct.

957
01:32:04,230 --> 01:32:04,370
Okay.

958
01:32:04,570 --> 01:32:04,910
That's.

959
01:32:06,620 --> 01:32:07,180
Okay.

960
01:32:07,420 --> 01:32:08,860
Any further discussion?

961
01:32:10,540 --> 01:32:11,300
How do you vote?

962
01:32:16,310 --> 01:32:22,650
Again, thank you for a huge amount of work and a well-presented range of options.

963
01:32:22,950 --> 01:32:23,870
Very much appreciated.

964
01:32:24,430 --> 01:32:25,990
I really appreciate your guys' feedback.

965
01:32:26,490 --> 01:32:28,190
It was essential and very helpful.

966
01:32:28,670 --> 01:32:28,750
Great.

967
01:32:28,930 --> 01:32:29,190
Thank you.

968
01:32:29,650 --> 01:32:31,370
And John, very good job on this.

969
01:32:32,230 --> 01:32:32,870
That's what we're saying.

970
01:32:34,530 --> 01:32:35,730
This is big.

971
01:32:37,090 --> 01:32:39,930
While it may not be sufficient, it is a huge step forward.

972
01:32:40,930 --> 01:32:48,630
We're going to move into the continued public hearing from June 8th, consideration of approval

973
01:32:48,630 --> 01:32:53,170
of the land use code amendment to allow social and scenic uses in the F zone district.

974
01:32:58,670 --> 01:33:01,050
I just saw what I'm sharing with you here,

975
01:33:05,540 --> 01:33:07,160
trying to remember how to use Zoom and share.

976
01:33:21,180 --> 01:33:29,540
Okay, so this is the alleged kind of memo to Section 5-307 for a straighter cultural and open zone regarding social and scenic uses.

977
01:33:31,480 --> 01:33:47,680
As we discussed last week, this is to amend 5307D for one step plan commission review for social and scenic uses for attendance of 200 or fewer gas and then 5-307F, two step, especially use permit review, if it was more than 200 gas.

978
01:33:48,640 --> 01:33:57,700
35 acre parcel size would be required and we didn't have any property conditions or we didn't

979
01:33:57,700 --> 01:34:07,960
have any specific to this use standards. The special use permit standards of the land use

980
01:34:07,960 --> 01:34:14,480
code section 5-1002 would be used in review of any application and that does include traffic,

981
01:34:14,480 --> 01:34:19,160
amplified music and noise, lighting, trash, sanitation hours of operation and such.

982
01:34:19,880 --> 01:34:24,800
So at the last meeting, you did continue this to allow time to consider concerns related

983
01:34:24,800 --> 01:34:30,200
to cumulative impacts of multiple uses in an area and separation of uses to prevent

984
01:34:30,200 --> 01:34:33,440
online conflict, or prevent conflicts on what I'm reading here.

985
01:34:34,740 --> 01:34:40,460
Options would be to add a new section 5-307M, which are specific review standards for social

986
01:34:40,460 --> 01:34:44,580
and scenic uses in the F-zone, but to do that I would highly recommend that you

987
01:34:44,580 --> 01:34:48,800
remand it to the Planning Commission for their review before doing that, because

988
01:34:48,800 --> 01:34:53,800
they've had no ability to review comment on that. And then the other option

989
01:34:53,800 --> 01:34:59,340
would be to proceed with as it's proposed today, but also consider a

990
01:34:59,340 --> 01:34:59,660
I'm ending.

991
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:28,140
In the future, Land Use Conception 5-1002, the standards for all special uses and other uses requiring one step and two step review. And then clarifying Section 5-1002B impacts on the surrounding area. That would be a new separate land use code amendment. And here you have, in front of you, what 5-1002B says right now, impacts on surrounding area, compatible with the character of parcels.

992
01:35:28,140 --> 01:35:36,560
adjacent to the parcel shall be expressed in terms of appearance, scale and features, site design, landscaping, we deceive dispersal, et cetera, et cetera.

993
01:35:36,660 --> 01:35:38,700
And it talks about all the potential impacts.

994
01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:46,260
We could amend this or look at amending this to talk about cumulative impacts.

995
01:35:47,620 --> 01:35:55,200
And because there's more than just the social use, special use permits that might be there.

996
01:35:57,740 --> 01:36:03,300
Public comment, the newest thing here is that we did get another letter from Nicole Pater's

997
01:36:03,300 --> 01:36:12,520
A, an email yesterday that I did forward to all of you and basically encouraging the

998
01:36:12,520 --> 01:36:16,260
looking at the cumulative impacts but proceeding with the criteria we have right now.

999
01:36:17,480 --> 01:36:24,180
Planning commission action, we had a workshop last week as part of the regular meeting where

1000
01:36:24,180 --> 01:36:28,460
So we discussed potential land use code amendments and they did agree that looking at the

1001
01:36:28,460 --> 01:36:33,880
special use permit criteria would be a good idea, you know, just updating it, refining

1002
01:36:33,880 --> 01:36:36,180
it, to stand to have some improvements overall.

1003
01:36:36,620 --> 01:36:41,800
And we could put the cumulative impacts, concerns into it at that time.

1004
01:36:42,720 --> 01:36:46,140
You know, if we get any applications right now, it's on the table, we're aware.

1005
01:36:46,860 --> 01:36:51,020
And we know that, you know, we don't necessarily have to have it specifically spelled out.

1006
01:36:51,020 --> 01:36:53,240
We've got the criteria to use it.

1007
01:36:54,580 --> 01:36:58,720
Review standards of the Planions Code Section 5-1802A are met.

1008
01:36:59,980 --> 01:37:01,740
Here's two sample motions.

1009
01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:07,280
One would be to adopt it as presented and adopt the resolution.

1010
01:37:08,020 --> 01:37:20,960
And the other option would be to continue it with a remand to the planning commission to look at specific criterion standards.

1011
01:37:20,960 --> 01:37:27,480
If we were to choose the, you know, two land use code, what's the timing on that one?

1012
01:37:29,860 --> 01:37:30,560
Let's see.

1013
01:37:32,480 --> 01:37:37,600
We could have it to the planning commission in August, so you could probably see it around September.

1014
01:37:38,300 --> 01:37:43,600
And then the other way, if we were to remand the specific one back to commission.

1015
01:37:44,900 --> 01:37:48,180
July and you'd see it by the end of July or August as a month.

1016
01:37:48,180 --> 01:37:48,920
It's a month.

1017
01:37:49,340 --> 01:37:49,480
Yeah.

1018
01:37:50,040 --> 01:37:55,900
You know, it's on our radar, we know about it, we don't have, we don't expect any applications

1019
01:37:55,900 --> 01:38:01,340
that are going to have this conflict, so I think we're good for now, but we know that

1020
01:38:01,340 --> 01:38:04,360
we need to work, do a little more work on the, especially the standards.

1021
01:38:05,320 --> 01:38:09,220
Personally, I think, yeah, addressing the larger picture through the land use code amendment

1022
01:38:09,220 --> 01:38:15,540
will probably make the most sense so that the cumulative impact language covers more than

1023
01:38:15,540 --> 01:38:17,540
in just this specific instance.

1024
01:38:18,160 --> 01:38:18,940
That's my thought.

1025
01:38:19,460 --> 01:38:20,300
Other commissioners?

1026
01:38:24,240 --> 01:38:31,120
Chris, with your last sentence, which option are you leaning

1027
01:38:31,120 --> 01:38:32,000
towards at one?

1028
01:38:34,380 --> 01:38:36,160
Are you trying to get something in place?

1029
01:38:36,560 --> 01:38:39,640
Yeah, option one is to adopt it as presented at this time.

1030
01:38:40,660 --> 01:38:43,840
But with staff direction to bring a land use

1031
01:38:43,840 --> 01:38:47,260
code amendment to address the cumulative impacts

1032
01:38:47,260 --> 01:38:52,640
that would apply it, then that's going to apply to anything that, yes, any application.

1033
01:38:52,820 --> 01:38:54,840
So that's, I think that makes the most sense to me.

1034
01:38:55,880 --> 01:39:01,380
So yes, then our conversation about this last week and having heard public comment, I agree.

1035
01:39:04,130 --> 01:39:04,710
Mr. Chair Cooper.

1036
01:39:06,230 --> 01:39:12,670
I agree with that, much too, and I just have a question on the sort of, what does the classification

1037
01:39:12,670 --> 01:39:13,710
of the property?

1038
01:39:13,710 --> 01:39:25,250
So if these properties are being used for commercial use, did it become commercial properties and do we start charging them a commercial rate?

1039
01:39:25,610 --> 01:39:29,710
If they are currently residential, I would say they're vacant and they're commercial.

1040
01:39:30,390 --> 01:39:32,770
You talked about it a little.

1041
01:39:32,770 --> 01:39:42,150
And the last time you've been used for grazing, if they get an accession for grazing, if they're now using a commercial rate, would that just allow their exemption?

1042
01:39:43,190 --> 01:39:50,570
Yeah, that would be up to the assessor to determine the extent to which their assessment would change.

1043
01:39:51,730 --> 01:39:55,570
There is an opportunity in the statutes to carve out.

1044
01:39:55,570 --> 01:39:58,370
You know, you've got a 35 acre parcel.

1045
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:29,980
We use two acres of it for commercial. There's a way that you can sort of parse out some of that, but that would definitely be something to discuss with the assessor's office on how that works. But we did have that conversation at the last meeting. And talked about how we could do better internally with some of this cross communication or using the assessor's office as an agency referral so that they're aware that there are new uses on a product.

1046
01:40:31,480 --> 01:40:41,260
And then I'll just chime in one of the potential future applicants and a past venue noted that it's very hard to make a living

1047
01:40:41,260 --> 01:40:48,920
agriculturally and I would agree that a lot of places are looking for additional ways to bring in income on agricultural property.

1048
01:40:49,400 --> 01:40:56,840
So just blankly saying, well, that's going to be commercial when there are multiple uses, when it is actually used for grazing some of the time.

1049
01:40:57,280 --> 01:41:00,880
That's just some of the complexity of this, so I think, yeah, I think that makes sense

1050
01:41:00,880 --> 01:41:07,500
to have a chat with the assessor and citizens as to how we move forward with that, but I

1051
01:41:07,500 --> 01:41:12,020
think for this instance, I think we could potentially move forward with option one.

1052
01:41:16,400 --> 01:41:18,680
Well, those glasses look crazy on Zoom, sorry.

1053
01:41:24,340 --> 01:41:33,880
I'm sorry, Chris. I thought you were considering option two to send it back to the CPC to consider

1054
01:41:33,880 --> 01:41:41,780
the impact. No, no. So option one would change, potentially change the land use code standards

1055
01:41:41,780 --> 01:41:47,940
and it would apply to many more sections than just this one is my understanding.

1056
01:41:48,360 --> 01:41:55,280
So, option would be to adopt the amendment to the Lennie's Code for Section 5-307-4

1057
01:41:55,280 --> 01:42:00,240
Strayal Culture and Open to allow social and scenic uses, subject to one or two step review

1058
01:42:00,240 --> 01:42:07,800
and adopt resolution number 2022-26, based on the findings listed here, but then separately

1059
01:42:07,800 --> 01:42:20,400
giving direction to the planning department to begin preparation of an update to 5-1-0-0-2.

1060
01:42:22,450 --> 01:42:25,810
I'm talking about the killer of impacts of all special abuse.

1061
01:42:25,830 --> 01:42:26,110
Correct.

1062
01:42:27,570 --> 01:42:27,810
Yeah.

1063
01:42:28,110 --> 01:42:28,370
And no.

1064
01:42:29,170 --> 01:42:29,690
Sorry.

1065
01:42:29,950 --> 01:42:31,490
Then I wasn't following the conversation.

1066
01:42:31,890 --> 01:42:38,290
What did you say in terms of timing, like if people cried for this for this year, they

1067
01:42:38,290 --> 01:42:39,150
just don't fall under.

1068
01:42:39,970 --> 01:42:42,550
We're just not being in their views, so there's no meaning.

1069
01:42:42,850 --> 01:42:47,970
Well, and staff last time did say that cumulative impacts can be considered.

1070
01:42:48,730 --> 01:42:53,590
I just wanted to spell it out, so I'm actually comfortable with, particularly this year,

1071
01:42:53,750 --> 01:43:00,270
almost half over, moving forward as this, and then Kay just said that one would be,

1072
01:43:00,490 --> 01:43:03,610
we would see it potentially in August and one we would see it in September.

1073
01:43:03,970 --> 01:43:08,130
So I feel like addressing the larger picture and having that come in front of us potentially

1074
01:43:08,130 --> 01:43:11,910
in September makes more, it's more efficient in my opinion.

1075
01:43:12,850 --> 01:43:20,970
And then I would like to hear directly from an assessor on her recommendations on commercial

1076
01:43:20,970 --> 01:43:24,810
use with all these different gradations that are coming from us,

1077
01:43:27,880 --> 01:43:29,100
or how she would approach

1078
01:43:29,100 --> 01:43:31,080
that piece, just for our knowledge.

1079
01:43:45,020 --> 01:43:53,240
So she was just reminding us that when the assessor looks at valuation and use of property

1080
01:43:53,240 --> 01:43:58,860
it's as of like noon on January 1st every year as to how the property is used but we

1081
01:43:58,860 --> 01:44:05,040
Please clearly can invite the assessor to come to that next meeting when we have that

1082
01:44:05,040 --> 01:44:09,380
discussion about the cumulative impacts, or even before if you want to hear a little

1083
01:44:09,380 --> 01:44:17,780
bit more about how she would categorize and classify property based on different circumstances

1084
01:44:17,780 --> 01:44:18,620
or scenarios.

1085
01:44:19,880 --> 01:44:27,320
Yeah, I mean it's a little tricky and this is what I want to discuss with her is the property

1086
01:44:27,320 --> 01:44:32,040
wouldn't necessarily have to be used that way, but it was advertised for use that way,

1087
01:44:32,040 --> 01:44:36,100
then it's commercial, just like a hotel room doesn't need to be occupied, but it's advertised

1088
01:44:36,100 --> 01:44:42,860
for occupancy, then it's commercial, so let's have her come in and address it because

1089
01:44:42,860 --> 01:44:48,000
it is a little different than a hotel, agricultural land is different than a hotel, so I think it's

1090
01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:52,180
best to have we can give her a heads up on so she can have time to think about it if she hasn't

1091
01:44:52,180 --> 01:44:59,560
already and then have her come and join us for a discussion. And just as a note, this is a public

1092
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:29,880
The item does require public hearing. You had opened the public hearing last time. It's at your discretion if you reopen it today. For public comment. Yeah. Okay, let's go ahead and reopen the peering for public comment. And if the public would like to comment, please, oh, we have Michael Paradise. That's, oh, that's sorry, that's the white hand. That's not the, if you have, if you'd like to make a comment, please raise your hand.

1093
01:45:30,840 --> 01:45:34,780
on Zoom, which is under the Reactions button and

1094
01:45:38,590 --> 01:45:43,190
seeing none, close the public comment.

1095
01:45:44,830 --> 01:45:46,130
Any other questions?

1096
01:45:46,430 --> 01:45:47,850
If not, I'd be ready for a motion.

1097
01:45:49,370 --> 01:45:52,370
Oh, sorry Ryan Regetti, why don't you come up to the mic.

1098
01:45:53,250 --> 01:45:58,330
So we're still going to have time to offer recommendations or stuff all over this for review, correct?

1099
01:45:58,990 --> 01:46:01,750
At the time of this special use permit application, yes.

1100
01:46:01,750 --> 01:46:03,790
This is just a code.

1101
01:46:04,450 --> 01:46:04,690
Okay.

1102
01:46:05,190 --> 01:46:05,370
All right.

1103
01:46:05,510 --> 01:46:05,650
Yeah.

1104
01:46:05,650 --> 01:46:07,250
I wasn't aware of it until last meeting.

1105
01:46:07,570 --> 01:46:07,670
Yeah.

1106
01:46:08,130 --> 01:46:13,790
It doesn't take anything away from any special use permit review.

1107
01:46:14,750 --> 01:46:19,810
We follow all the processes with all the review agencies and requiring all ethical permits

1108
01:46:19,810 --> 01:46:20,670
and everything.

1109
01:46:21,030 --> 01:46:29,770
This is just updating the LAMI's code to allow an additional use subject to one or two step

1110
01:46:29,770 --> 01:46:42,770
review in the episode. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. It's just not. I used by right that they could. No. No. Okay. I'm just. Yeah. I was kind of concerned with when the last video was going to open. I'm

1111
01:46:42,770 --> 01:46:54,810
used by right that would be would be in reactive mode for every event. It's occurred. Right. And with particular interest in in the road aspect of it. That's why I was

1112
01:46:54,810 --> 01:47:00,130
I was pushing for the cumulative impacts of the language, so I'm hoping we're there.

1113
01:47:00,970 --> 01:47:12,770
Oh, Ryan asked if this was going to be a problem for road use.

1114
01:47:13,010 --> 01:47:19,850
And he was reassured that there would still be a step one or two step review required for each permit.

1115
01:47:21,470 --> 01:47:28,610
so he's feeling good again. I haven't seen any other questions so I'm ready to move to adopt the

1116
01:47:28,610 --> 01:47:35,450
amendment to the San Miguel County Land Use Code Section 5-307, first re-agriculture and open

1117
01:47:36,150 --> 01:47:42,170
parentheses, F zone to allow social and scenic uses subject to one step or two step review

1118
01:47:42,890 --> 01:47:49,710
depending on number of attendees and adopt resolution 2022-26 based on the finding that the

1119
01:47:49,710 --> 01:47:56,790
proposed amendment complies with the standards of land use code section 5-1802 land use code

1120
01:47:56,790 --> 01:48:02,310
amendments and is consistent with land use code section 1-4 purposes of the land use

1121
01:48:02,310 --> 01:48:02,570
code.

1122
01:48:05,930 --> 01:48:06,530
Okay.

1123
01:48:06,710 --> 01:48:07,430
Any further discussion?

1124
01:48:08,370 --> 01:48:08,490
Yeah.

1125
01:48:08,830 --> 01:48:09,290
How do you vote?

1126
01:48:10,070 --> 01:48:10,250
Aye.

1127
01:48:11,170 --> 01:48:11,770
Aye.

1128
01:48:13,190 --> 01:48:13,790
Great.

1129
01:48:13,950 --> 01:48:14,450
Thank you.

1130
01:48:15,990 --> 01:48:24,280
Let's take a five minute break and we'll come back to.

1131
01:48:24,280 --> 01:48:26,940
You administrative matters.

1132
01:48:31,220 --> 01:48:32,060
Reporting stopped.

1133
01:48:36,190 --> 01:48:36,670
Thank you.

1134
01:48:37,450 --> 01:48:44,430
All right, we are back and we are going to adjust our agenda just a little bit.

1135
01:48:44,570 --> 01:48:54,770
We're going to move item 9C, discussion of potential local ballot items, and

1136
01:48:54,770 --> 01:48:57,590
then we will go back to our regular order.

1137
01:48:59,050 --> 01:49:02,390
So Mike, I think you're going to start us off on this?

1138
01:49:03,290 --> 01:49:05,250
Mike, just stepped out.

1139
01:49:05,790 --> 01:49:06,310
Oh, okay.

1140
01:49:06,530 --> 01:49:06,930
We will.

1141
01:49:08,570 --> 01:49:09,150
Uh-huh.

1142
01:49:10,050 --> 01:49:15,640
So we have, we'll get going and just a second here.

1143
01:49:19,670 --> 01:49:20,770
And where is,

1144
01:49:23,900 --> 01:49:24,700
I don't, he was there.

1145
01:49:24,820 --> 01:49:25,860
I don't see him now.

1146
01:49:31,920 --> 01:49:33,680
Is there's a San Miguel County?

1147
01:49:35,480 --> 01:49:36,080
Is that?

1148
01:49:39,780 --> 01:49:41,700
Brandy's here.

1149
01:49:44,720 --> 01:49:54,980
And Mike, if you are here with us, there you are. Go ahead with the ballot,

1150
01:49:55,280 --> 01:49:56,360
ballot item.

1151
01:49:56,360 --> 01:49:59,960
item. Very good thanks to my smers, so this is

1152
01:50:00,660 --> 01:50:30,500
Item 9-C. And we know that we have a July 29 deadline if the board wishes to notify the clerk, but they're intent to put a question on the November ballot. And then September 9th, I'm sorry, I just ran up the seat. We know we saw you. Not only that, but it's just like that. And then September 9th is the day to certify.

1153
01:50:30,500 --> 01:50:37,240
that language, if the board chooses to put a question on the ballot, obviously, there

1154
01:50:37,240 --> 01:50:44,940
is an expense to do so, however, if the county is putting on, intends to put on a question

1155
01:50:44,940 --> 01:50:54,000
such as for logic tax and the ability now that it's taxed, you have allowed greater latitude

1156
01:50:54,000 --> 01:50:59,660
with both consent to use lodging tax dollars for other purposes.

1157
01:51:00,360 --> 01:51:03,700
The cost of the county to put additional questions on

1158
01:51:03,700 --> 01:51:08,720
would be somewhat negligible for additional questions.

1159
01:51:10,020 --> 01:51:13,760
I know that I heard in the discussion earlier today

1160
01:51:13,760 --> 01:51:18,060
Commissioner Cooper bring up the idea again of an

1161
01:51:18,060 --> 01:51:24,840
affordable housing in the Lemme, and I know that we talked about that logic tax of

1162
01:51:24,840 --> 01:51:29,060
also been speaking with the sheriff and Jennifer Dinsmore about their

1163
01:51:29,060 --> 01:51:38,180
potential interest in public safety about measure. There could be a sales tax or

1164
01:51:38,180 --> 01:51:44,520
property tax measure before for any of these ongoing funding items at the board

1165
01:51:44,520 --> 01:51:51,100
wishes. And I just wanted to give you some frame of reference. At our current

1166
01:51:51,100 --> 01:52:01,140
valuation, I have a mill increase would generate just under $500,000. And it's

1167
01:52:01,140 --> 01:52:09,180
pretty easy to correlate then a full mill would generate just under $1 million

1168
01:52:09,180 --> 01:52:10,960
in property tax.

1169
01:52:11,480 --> 01:52:13,260
If the board were to consider,

1170
01:52:13,720 --> 01:52:15,720
and I know that this is getting ahead of us,

1171
01:52:15,880 --> 01:52:17,920
but I just wanted you to have this in your frame

1172
01:52:17,920 --> 01:52:20,740
for reference, as you consider,

1173
01:52:21,060 --> 01:52:24,840
if you want to put on a question and ask how much money

1174
01:52:24,840 --> 01:52:27,100
it would be a question we need to generate

1175
01:52:27,100 --> 01:52:31,000
for the specific purpose and use of these hills tax,

1176
01:52:32,020 --> 01:52:37,400
and our current hills tax rates are 1% sales tax generated

1177
01:52:37,400 --> 01:52:48,600
4.5 million dollars last year. So a 10 of a percent increase to that would generate approximately

1178
01:52:48,600 --> 01:53:02,320
450,000 dollars, 700,000 dollars approximately for a 0.15% increase and obviously a 0.2% increase

1179
01:53:02,320 --> 01:53:08,960
were generating $900,000. So really more than anything I wanted the sheriff to

1180
01:53:08,960 --> 01:53:14,860
build, share his thoughts with the board as well as for the board to give some

1181
01:53:14,860 --> 01:53:22,640
step direction on any specific areas that you may wish for us to research and

1182
01:53:22,640 --> 01:53:29,100
and bring back examples and for future valid questions.

1183
01:53:30,580 --> 01:53:30,960
Okay.

1184
01:53:31,060 --> 01:53:32,160
I'll turn it back to you at this point.

1185
01:53:32,500 --> 01:53:32,800
All right.

1186
01:53:33,140 --> 01:53:36,020
Sheriff Masters, would you like to speak to us?

1187
01:53:36,440 --> 01:53:37,560
What do you have in mind?

1188
01:53:37,620 --> 01:53:37,800
Yes.

1189
01:53:39,160 --> 01:53:39,660
Thank you.

1190
01:53:39,720 --> 01:53:40,140
I'm sorry.

1191
01:53:40,360 --> 01:53:41,120
I'm not there in person.

1192
01:53:41,780 --> 01:53:43,060
I have a leg-in screen.

1193
01:53:43,280 --> 01:53:44,660
I have an operator on the list.

1194
01:53:45,040 --> 01:53:45,180
Oh.

1195
01:53:45,600 --> 01:53:46,420
It's my first sitting here.

1196
01:53:46,500 --> 01:53:47,300
Some people say,

1197
01:53:47,700 --> 01:53:48,660
Sheriff, you look terrible.

1198
01:53:48,660 --> 01:53:53,920
But actually, I had to have a full late cast on.

1199
01:53:54,020 --> 01:53:54,360
Oh, gosh.

1200
01:53:55,060 --> 01:54:02,640
Now, after the injury, so I just need to run to act in my age.

1201
01:54:03,240 --> 01:54:04,440
It's just a problem.

1202
01:54:05,080 --> 01:54:11,760
But we were looking at our needs in that very room.

1203
01:54:12,260 --> 01:54:13,480
A number of things.

1204
01:54:15,660 --> 01:54:23,020
research and rescue is always a big one in our mind, especially when we come, when

1205
01:54:23,020 --> 01:54:27,460
we're thinking about the funding source which might be sales tax which is, as I understand,

1206
01:54:27,700 --> 01:54:33,200
it is some March 70 to 90 percent, so I'm going to buy our tourist population and our

1207
01:54:33,200 --> 01:54:41,060
search and rescue missions are generated by largely by our tourist populations as well.

1208
01:54:41,060 --> 01:54:46,880
And then we also need to have,

1209
01:54:49,200 --> 01:54:59,900
we're looking at our wildfire issues and thankfully to the, sorry, another call.

1210
01:55:01,780 --> 01:55:02,400
Okay,

1211
01:55:05,060 --> 01:55:11,420
to our fire districts, the fire districts have expanded to include all of our county

1212
01:55:12,120 --> 01:55:18,040
who will start to be within the boundaries of the fire district, which definitely helps

1213
01:55:18,040 --> 01:55:27,660
us and can get us out of the wildfire, actual suppression business. But we know that initial

1214
01:55:27,660 --> 01:55:35,540
So attack in the future is going to be increasingly important when we have single tree lightning strikes

1215
01:55:35,540 --> 01:55:48,260
for very small fires and we can develop the initial attack suppression with the help of our new helicopter

1216
01:55:48,260 --> 01:55:57,980
and making bucket-dropping by next year on those very small fires before we get resources

1217
01:55:57,980 --> 01:56:02,840
from the state that would be a big problem for us, as well.

1218
01:56:04,460 --> 01:56:13,260
And of course we also have our increase in housing issues and we're looking at some day trying to build

1219
01:56:13,260 --> 01:56:22,200
a barracks type building that could house our employees right now and rent a

1220
01:56:22,200 --> 01:56:28,220
condo of a thousand employees that are on their off duty hours and they're working

1221
01:56:28,220 --> 01:56:34,380
in the jail so they if they're traveling through Grand Junction or Duff Creek or

1222
01:56:34,380 --> 01:56:41,900
someplace where they live for work they go to that particular condo to spend

1223
01:56:41,900 --> 01:56:47,700
Even if they're off to the hours and then come back to work, we might have built a barracks

1224
01:56:48,220 --> 01:56:52,100
next to the sheriff's office and tell you right so those people who have

1225
01:56:52,940 --> 01:56:58,360
immediate housing and kind of run the sheriff's office more like a

1226
01:56:58,360 --> 01:57:05,780
traditional fire department or where people might might have rest periods during their work shift

1227
01:57:05,780 --> 01:57:09,700
Which might be funny for 48 hours long

1228
01:57:10,580 --> 01:57:18,900
That might solve some of our housing crisis when it comes to housing, our communications

1229
01:57:18,900 --> 01:57:22,080
and corrections deputies and our patrol deputies.

1230
01:57:23,100 --> 01:57:29,540
So we add all those different projects together, which definitely needs money, I'd say the

1231
01:57:31,900 --> 01:57:39,040
public is an agreement that the search for rescue and wildfire suppression is going to be critical

1232
01:57:39,040 --> 01:57:45,780
and are coming years and I think we've got some support from the public and

1233
01:57:45,780 --> 01:57:54,460
agreeing to use small sales tax increases and already fund specific

1234
01:57:54,460 --> 01:58:04,620
problems or specific programs that they could point to that are saying that's

1235
01:58:09,660 --> 01:58:18,520
So, if you have $1,000 in mind for either of those specific projects, or both, or both?

1236
01:58:19,840 --> 01:58:31,760
I certainly, if we can generate half a million, 600,000 a year, I think that would be good

1237
01:58:31,760 --> 01:58:43,540
money to fund some of these programs, obviously, the capital project is going to be a little

1238
01:58:43,540 --> 01:58:52,260
more difficult, but possibly we could use a portion of that money to do a lease purchase

1239
01:58:52,260 --> 01:59:02,400
or something on those lines, a barracks-type building, along with how we also need

1240
01:59:02,400 --> 01:59:08,260
search for rescue, the two search for rescue building to house our equipment.

1241
01:59:08,260 --> 01:59:12,960
and maybe we could do that in combination with something along those lines.

1242
01:59:13,660 --> 01:59:20,180
Do a police have some type that we've done in the past?

1243
01:59:20,940 --> 01:59:26,280
When we built the jail where we could use some of that revenue source

1244
01:59:26,280 --> 01:59:27,760
to help pay for that?

1245
01:59:28,740 --> 01:59:34,960
So I would like to have, you know, 500, 600,000 a year.

1246
01:59:40,920 --> 01:59:48,160
I have a quick question. So if you were to do, if we were to put a ballot initiative on

1247
01:59:48,160 --> 01:59:54,640
whether it be sales dedicated sales tax on Mill Levy, would that then cover, or you

1248
01:59:54,640 --> 01:59:59,900
would put it into both search and rescue and wildfire upgrades and then if it's wild

1249
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:29,640
The other fire, does that money get shared with the other fire districts in North County? I think the wildfire process of it, I've been stressed with upgrading the capabilities of the helicopter, we have to do bucket drops. Already, the other summer we're planning on doing spying, it's where we can instantly locate and identify where our fire is, and give resources to it.

1250
02:00:29,640 --> 02:00:37,020
possible transport small groups close to the scene. I think that we continue

1251
02:00:37,020 --> 02:00:43,480
you can transport firefighting crews close to the scene of a lot of small

1252
02:00:43,480 --> 02:00:49,080
wildfire ones. It's just beginning yet to start to see if we can't knock that

1253
02:00:49,080 --> 02:00:55,580
down and then the addition future might make it so that we've got the training

1254
02:00:55,580 --> 02:01:04,480
the equivalent of expertise to do bucket drops from nearby ponds to suppress that fire

1255
02:01:04,480 --> 02:01:12,640
before it gets out of control. I think that's going to be our really only big hope

1256
02:01:15,580 --> 02:01:24,680
not having a disaster in our county on these years, if this drop situation continues.

1257
02:01:24,680 --> 02:01:37,220
So basically you wouldn't give the other fire districts money, it would just be used to upgrade the capabilities within the county for whatever fire, wherever that could happen.

1258
02:01:38,220 --> 02:01:45,800
I would stress a couple of different things, first off, I think we're, because there is

1259
02:01:45,800 --> 02:01:51,740
a need not mind there, we start developing a reserve, a firefighting reserve so that

1260
02:01:51,740 --> 02:02:00,620
we can, without hesitation, order in the air drops that we need, the air retarded, large

1261
02:02:00,620 --> 02:02:09,600
ones that we know are, you know, I can spend a couple hundred thousand dollars in a couple

1262
02:02:09,600 --> 02:02:21,020
hours, but on more fighting a quick moving a wildfire that's on private property, we could

1263
02:02:21,020 --> 02:02:32,980
have a lot of money spent very quickly and to start having a firefighting reserve amount

1264
02:02:32,980 --> 02:02:40,940
somewhere in the county. I think that would be a smart thing for the county there to

1265
02:02:40,940 --> 02:02:46,440
and ask over to portion that, maybe it's 50,000 a year or something, but this is coming

1266
02:02:46,440 --> 02:02:56,900
up into our reserves, so when the sheriff spends half a million dollars an afternoon, we're

1267
02:02:56,900 --> 02:02:57,760
prepared for that.

1268
02:02:58,020 --> 02:02:58,140
Great.

1269
02:02:58,460 --> 02:03:05,320
In addition to that, I think the fire fund is going to increase in cost every year, the state

1270
02:03:05,320 --> 02:03:17,280
that we contribute to is going to increase in cost, and we could potentially pay for our share of that every year because of this as well.

1271
02:03:18,100 --> 02:03:22,160
But I would not give any money to the individuals who are fired to do so.

1272
02:03:22,560 --> 02:03:26,500
This is more of the, when the fire is here.

1273
02:03:26,500 --> 02:03:32,240
Does it turn to me to say, this exceeds our capability to ensure that it is now year-fired

1274
02:03:32,760 --> 02:03:40,580
and that you need to have the resources available to suppress it?

1275
02:03:40,940 --> 02:03:41,220
Great.

1276
02:03:41,500 --> 02:03:41,900
Thanks for that.

1277
02:03:42,360 --> 02:03:44,680
And then just a quick, another question, and I'll get to Commissioner Cooper.

1278
02:03:46,600 --> 02:03:48,740
And I'm not sure who to ask this of.

1279
02:03:49,160 --> 02:03:56,000
I personally, I think the sales tax is important because, again, as you said, many of the responses

1280
02:03:56,000 --> 02:04:02,900
a solution rescue and even fire started our from our visitors and spreading the costs

1281
02:04:02,900 --> 02:04:08,820
out so they can help us with that is important but Mike or whomever would you be, is it one

1282
02:04:08,820 --> 02:04:10,300
or the other, is it a combination?

1283
02:04:11,300 --> 02:04:17,080
I would suggest it's one or the other just for reference that when you look at the total

1284
02:04:17,080 --> 02:04:24,940
sales tax rate not just the county's 1% sales tax, until you ride it's 8.65% in Norwood

1285
02:04:24,940 --> 02:04:34,080
at 7.8% for reference. Town of Breckenridge is 8.88% and you know the highest one in this

1286
02:04:34,080 --> 02:04:40,140
state is that are the towns of Frazier and Winter Park at 11.2% but if the

1287
02:04:40,140 --> 02:04:46,300
district board wanted to put forth a question for a 2-10th of a percent sales tax

1288
02:04:46,300 --> 02:04:52,900
increase that would bring that would generate $900,000 in annual spending

1289
02:04:52,900 --> 02:04:59,580
currently and that will bring the total sales tax rate to 8.85.

1290
02:05:05,760 --> 02:05:08,640
Okay, let's go to Commissioner Cooper. Sorry.

1291
02:05:13,720 --> 02:05:15,540
Okay. Okay. Okay.

1292
02:05:17,760 --> 02:05:20,240
Okay. Okay. Thanks. Commissioner Cooper.

1293
02:05:22,680 --> 02:05:29,520
So just a couple of things, as you know, share a fill, we've been working really hard with

1294
02:05:29,520 --> 02:05:34,840
other counties at the state level to get more funding negative funding for search and

1295
02:05:34,840 --> 02:05:35,160
rescue.

1296
02:05:35,380 --> 02:05:36,620
And we were successful with that.

1297
02:05:37,180 --> 02:05:44,040
There is an additional $2 to $3 million a year that would love a search rescue.

1298
02:05:44,600 --> 02:05:49,860
Also considerable increase in funding for wildfire, wildfire mitigation, wildfire response,

1299
02:05:49,860 --> 02:05:52,300
while our plus recovery, et cetera.

1300
02:05:53,280 --> 02:05:56,260
So we don't want to be really hard to get those

1301
02:05:56,260 --> 02:05:59,200
funds at the state level so that we did not have to go back

1302
02:05:59,200 --> 02:06:05,120
to our taxpayers and asking the state to increase their

1303
02:06:05,120 --> 02:06:08,460
coffers to kind of reduce the impacts locally.

1304
02:06:10,840 --> 02:06:16,020
So I would just ask that, I mean, especially the expertise

1305
02:06:16,020 --> 02:06:21,860
of gender that you guys really look at those opportunities at the state and make sure

1306
02:06:21,860 --> 02:06:27,940
you're considered all of those before you go back to our taxpayers, not saying that

1307
02:06:27,940 --> 02:06:28,900
that would cover everything.

1308
02:06:29,100 --> 02:06:35,080
You may need to go back to our taxpayers, but I would ask that you also look and see what

1309
02:06:35,080 --> 02:06:38,600
is available at the state to reduce the burden on our taxpayers.

1310
02:06:38,600 --> 02:06:46,580
years. And then just two big things that I've been considering for the future is one is

1311
02:06:46,580 --> 02:06:50,760
the housing mitigation. You brought up your great specific housing. Every department has

1312
02:06:50,760 --> 02:06:56,920
housing needs and you know beyond the county we have housing needs. So I think the county

1313
02:06:56,920 --> 02:07:02,860
does need to look at how we generate more funds for affordable housing. We just took a step

1314
02:07:02,860 --> 02:07:07,040
to do that, small step through residential litigation.

1315
02:07:07,280 --> 02:07:09,100
We're going to look at commercial litigation next.

1316
02:07:11,480 --> 02:07:15,960
And I think we need to start really considering the levy

1317
02:07:15,960 --> 02:07:19,660
for affordable housing as a broad, to not aggressively

1318
02:07:19,660 --> 02:07:27,820
that to spread that impact out across the whole county.

1319
02:07:28,560 --> 02:07:31,120
And then this idea of climate resiliency,

1320
02:07:31,120 --> 02:07:36,020
It's not just walk by, there are, you know, several other issues that we're going to need

1321
02:07:36,020 --> 02:07:43,480
to, um, in road bridge, um, in, um, natural resources, et cetera, that we're going

1322
02:07:43,480 --> 02:07:53,120
to need to start a paperwork, and, um, I think we need to look at a, um, some type of

1323
02:07:53,120 --> 02:08:04,820
under resiliency fund, that is either we create a bond fund to tap into opportunities there

1324
02:08:04,820 --> 02:08:13,260
or we look at local tax that can then be bonded upon to address all of our needs.

1325
02:08:13,560 --> 02:08:20,140
And that you mentioned the initial attack suppression, well, absolutely, I don't argue that

1326
02:08:20,140 --> 02:08:21,280
that is really important.

1327
02:08:21,280 --> 02:08:27,840
And we also have massive expenses in front of us for mitigation needs, you know, whole order outreach,

1328
02:08:28,960 --> 02:08:32,940
working with West Region, World Card Council, and make sure they're adequately funded

1329
02:08:32,940 --> 02:08:37,540
to do a lot of our, you know, residential mitigation needs.

1330
02:08:37,800 --> 02:08:41,800
So there's considerable, beyond the sheriff's office, there's considerable need there

1331
02:08:41,800 --> 02:08:44,400
that the county needs to look at addressing.

1332
02:08:44,400 --> 02:08:52,900
And, you know, I feel that the approach to that is more of a kind of crime or resiliency

1333
02:08:52,900 --> 02:08:59,400
fund as opposed to just piecemealing every single little aspect we need to do to address the changing climate.

1334
02:09:00,160 --> 02:09:03,040
I think at some point, taxpayers must start saying no.

1335
02:09:03,300 --> 02:09:05,680
We just keep permanently adding on.

1336
02:09:06,980 --> 02:09:13,800
But I think they do have the capacity to understand sort of a larger one-time funding question

1337
02:09:13,800 --> 02:09:15,800
and to address some of the bigger needs.

1338
02:09:17,060 --> 02:09:19,980
And then to your point of the reserve,

1339
02:09:20,300 --> 02:09:21,460
we do have a university reserve.

1340
02:09:21,920 --> 02:09:26,800
And most of those are have gone towards, well, COVID,

1341
02:09:27,540 --> 02:09:31,800
but we haven't had a buyer, thankfully,

1342
02:09:32,380 --> 02:09:33,420
I'm not being on the wood,

1343
02:09:34,200 --> 02:09:36,820
that the county has needed to pay for, hopefully,

1344
02:09:38,120 --> 02:09:40,180
if we can ask why we were in strike,

1345
02:09:40,460 --> 02:09:42,460
they continue to strike from public lands

1346
02:09:42,460 --> 02:09:47,060
and then we can rely on our public agency partners.

1347
02:09:47,740 --> 02:09:51,440
We can't count on that, but maybe the commissioners

1348
02:09:51,440 --> 02:09:54,240
just asked if they increased the funds

1349
02:09:54,240 --> 02:09:58,160
over 600,000 a year, that fund,

1350
02:09:58,360 --> 02:09:59,980
we just asked if that'd be increased soon.

1351
02:10:00,780 --> 02:10:29,740
So, we do have that fund. We could look at increasing that fund even more. And so we do have a fund to, you know, that doesn't need to be specifically in the sheriff's office. That is at the county to address those emergency needs that come up. So, I think there's an opportunity there, you know, especially with increasing 75% fund, et cetera, to look at existing funds and our existing reserve, which is very healthy.

1352
02:10:29,740 --> 02:10:36,160
beyond the required table and emergency reserve to dedicate some more of that

1353
02:10:36,160 --> 02:10:41,460
without pointing back to our taxpayers. So, and then finally I would just say

1354
02:10:41,460 --> 02:10:46,800
that my knowledge of a balance measures across the state that have addressed

1355
02:10:46,800 --> 02:10:49,120
how the seat meeting has been.

1356
02:10:50,640 --> 02:10:52,160
Lands, I think, your computer.

1357
02:10:52,380 --> 02:10:53,600
It just didn't plan it at all.

1358
02:10:54,300 --> 02:11:05,080
have been relatively popular, so most of the ones I've heard have recently passed, even in conservative communities.

1359
02:11:05,960 --> 02:11:12,280
We know that we have a more sort of a tax-specific, I guess, community.

1360
02:11:13,160 --> 02:11:25,780
And so, I would maybe agree with your assessment that the taxpayers would be in support of sort of

1361
02:11:25,780 --> 02:11:33,960
star mobfire. I think they would also very much appreciate looking at this more realistic read and potentially doing a larger

1362
02:11:36,640 --> 02:11:42,740
Millivvy, CFTACs combined, whatever it is to address more of the issue outside of

1363
02:11:42,740 --> 02:11:44,460
in addition to the sheriff's office.

1364
02:11:45,520 --> 02:11:51,880
But I just wonder if you've done any kind of survey or pooling, giving kind of data

1365
02:11:51,880 --> 02:11:58,160
to this guy to you in this room, or you just talk more.

1366
02:11:59,460 --> 02:12:04,720
I don't have any, I don't have any polling, I don't have any.

1367
02:12:08,240 --> 02:12:17,840
I think just generally, peacekeeping services are supported in our community, but I'm

1368
02:12:17,840 --> 02:12:27,020
not sure people think that there's a need for more police cars and the kind of traditional

1369
02:12:27,020 --> 02:12:39,460
things that the county funds already. There is some requests for increased protection measures

1370
02:12:39,460 --> 02:12:50,080
at our schools from our peacekeeping agencies and if we're exploring that this summer to see

1371
02:12:50,080 --> 02:12:57,120
do to improve the security around our schools.

1372
02:12:59,360 --> 02:13:05,160
But I don't feel I want to see it a large cry for more than that.

1373
02:13:05,340 --> 02:13:12,220
There is a lot of complaints about traffic and the congestion and speeding and direct

1374
02:13:12,220 --> 02:13:21,020
describing, but when we get our staff stabilized, I think we can have some impact on all that

1375
02:13:21,020 --> 02:13:25,020
in our regular budget.

1376
02:13:27,140 --> 02:13:33,920
But I appreciate everybody's concern is there's some method that we can

1377
02:13:33,920 --> 02:13:37,240
make the whole county safer in the future.

1378
02:13:39,600 --> 02:13:42,920
But when I'm looking at these issues,

1379
02:13:43,500 --> 02:13:46,620
I'm looking at what's in my face right now.

1380
02:13:47,660 --> 02:13:51,140
And I see a out of control of wildfire.

1381
02:13:51,960 --> 02:13:54,820
I see constant search for rescue missions

1382
02:13:55,340 --> 02:13:58,140
that end to try to develop,

1383
02:13:58,360 --> 02:14:03,360
or when to mitigate that is really hard for me

1384
02:14:03,360 --> 02:14:06,600
to get my head around and I'm dealing with something

1385
02:14:06,600 --> 02:14:09,520
that could potentially happen at the end of the moment.

1386
02:14:09,520 --> 02:14:18,420
You've been very fortunate, except for the quality draw fire, I think, just a private

1387
02:14:18,420 --> 02:14:26,380
property fire, primarily did have to come with some money on the rehab side with home

1388
02:14:26,380 --> 02:14:36,900
draw. We haven't had to spend tremendous amount of money on wildfire suppression.

1389
02:14:36,900 --> 02:14:47,640
But I'm also, I'm very close to it, every day during wildfire there is a meeting and

1390
02:14:47,640 --> 02:14:51,420
each one of us involved in it can be a command of that meeting.

1391
02:14:52,420 --> 02:14:57,980
Out of that fire there is a suppression of the fire you have to stand up and state it, state the thing.

1392
02:14:57,980 --> 02:14:59,860
Understand.

1393
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:29,820
And agree with that plan for the day. And when I stand up and do that, that means that the county is responsible for the very portion of it. And one of these days it's going to be a lot of money. I appreciate the county is good financial help. And we have a million dollars in reserves. And that's, that's once again, two after millions of, maybe even,

1394
02:15:34,960 --> 02:15:43,420
So I'm going to jump in here. I think you're hearing general support for whichever ends

1395
02:15:43,420 --> 02:15:49,320
up coming our way, more likely support for sales tax. Commissioner Cooper has added

1396
02:15:49,320 --> 02:15:55,840
some additional things to think about in there in terms of housing and climate resiliency.

1397
02:15:55,840 --> 02:15:58,780
I think these deserve more discussion.

1398
02:15:58,940 --> 02:16:01,340
We're following quite behind here on our schedule.

1399
02:16:02,020 --> 02:16:05,680
So unless there's a very specific question or other need

1400
02:16:05,680 --> 02:16:10,960
for follow-up, I'd like to move on.

1401
02:16:11,500 --> 02:16:16,040
Could I get a thumbs up or down from the board.

1402
02:16:16,600 --> 02:16:18,820
Would you like me to work with the sheriff

1403
02:16:18,820 --> 02:16:21,980
and Jennifer on a potential question

1404
02:16:21,980 --> 02:16:26,260
for additional conversation at our June 29th work session?

1405
02:16:27,080 --> 02:16:28,360
I think that would be great.

1406
02:16:28,720 --> 02:16:29,180
Commissioner Wearing?

1407
02:16:29,620 --> 02:16:30,040
Thumbs up.

1408
02:16:30,720 --> 02:16:31,240
Commissioner Cooper.

1409
02:16:31,820 --> 02:16:34,220
I have a lot of questions and I'm not comfortable

1410
02:16:34,220 --> 02:16:35,160
with that approach yet.

1411
02:16:35,340 --> 02:16:38,560
I'd like to hear some of those responses first.

1412
02:16:38,860 --> 02:16:45,200
And just to add to that list is, could you come back to us

1413
02:16:45,200 --> 02:16:48,940
with how much you are charging for search and rescue

1414
02:16:48,940 --> 02:16:52,580
is when they don't have a hypercard.

1415
02:16:53,120 --> 02:16:55,140
Yeah, you could just come back to us

1416
02:16:55,140 --> 02:16:56,480
with that number, like an example.

1417
02:16:56,960 --> 02:16:59,100
And how many, you know, what we're presenting

1418
02:16:59,100 --> 02:17:02,220
is that we're helpful for our knowledge

1419
02:17:02,220 --> 02:17:03,740
at what we're trying to do in the state,

1420
02:17:03,900 --> 02:17:06,100
to do more funds for social justice.

1421
02:17:06,800 --> 02:17:08,820
You've got two thumbs up for coming back

1422
02:17:08,820 --> 02:17:11,700
with more information, and perhaps Commissioner Cooper

1423
02:17:11,700 --> 02:17:13,640
could share her additional questions

1424
02:17:14,440 --> 02:17:16,220
so that those could be addressed in the meantime.

1425
02:17:16,220 --> 02:17:24,440
time. I did just ask questions. Hopefully those were captured. Oh I thought you said you had more.

1426
02:17:24,580 --> 02:17:29,100
I have your questions written down and I'll follow up with Jennifer and share on this.

1427
02:17:30,640 --> 02:17:38,020
Regarding other ballot measures, what is the board's greatest interest?

1428
02:17:48,960 --> 02:17:50,200
Housing and

1429
02:17:50,200 --> 02:17:52,920
Just a reminder that that watching tax generates

1430
02:17:52,920 --> 02:17:58,100
like 50, maybe on high years, maybe 60.

1431
02:17:59,000 --> 02:18:02,160
Yeah, a year in non-incorporated.

1432
02:18:02,700 --> 02:18:08,860
And I've had a few discussions with Kier Skinner.

1433
02:18:09,060 --> 02:18:12,120
It was just a point in ED at MTI.

1434
02:18:12,560 --> 02:18:15,400
And she's going to come forward to us with a proposal.

1435
02:18:16,330 --> 02:18:19,560
I think we've seen some of the improvements there.

1436
02:18:19,560 --> 02:18:28,460
on behalf of the NTI being much more responsive to local communities, so I'm a little hesitant

1437
02:18:28,460 --> 02:18:33,640
to go that route. I think there's great opportunity for our marketing entities to serve more

1438
02:18:33,640 --> 02:18:40,440
of a local purpose, and that $40 to $50,000 really isn't much in the scheme of things,

1439
02:18:40,440 --> 02:18:44,260
and it certainly happens, not going to get as much performance as it at all.

1440
02:18:44,260 --> 02:18:51,980
So I'm still a little hesitant on that one for those reasons.

1441
02:18:53,220 --> 02:18:59,300
And if we're going to have a further discussion on the 29th as in a work session, you know,

1442
02:18:59,340 --> 02:19:05,960
I'd like some more specific thoughts on affordable housing, middle-levy and climate resiliency fund,

1443
02:19:06,160 --> 02:19:09,040
exactly what we'd be after.

1444
02:19:09,040 --> 02:19:16,320
We did just make a significant increase in fees to help us the county have more funds to address it

1445
02:19:16,320 --> 02:19:20,160
But I'd like to do a little more information on that and with that

1446
02:19:22,200 --> 02:19:26,540
Mike I was thinking we could potentially do nine we could we could post

1447
02:19:26,540 --> 02:19:27,200
I apologize

1448
02:19:27,200 --> 02:19:30,720
Commissioner holsterman and love that you want to keep us on

1449
02:19:47,480 --> 02:19:59,700
I was thinking we could move 9A and B to after our lunch break and see if we could

1450
02:19:59,700 --> 02:19:59,840
Get

1451
02:20:02,840 --> 02:20:03,520
Okay,

1452
02:20:06,280 --> 02:20:18,640
so let's go to 9D and that is approval of resolution instituting an additional re-billing charge. Brandi, I believe you're on and could be unmuted.

1453
02:20:18,640 --> 02:20:18,720
Good.

1454
02:20:20,500 --> 02:20:21,040
Okay.

1455
02:20:21,740 --> 02:20:21,920
Hi.

1456
02:20:23,420 --> 02:20:25,340
Yeah, we can hear you.

1457
02:20:25,340 --> 02:20:25,600
Go ahead.

1458
02:20:25,960 --> 02:20:26,320
No.

1459
02:20:26,400 --> 02:20:26,700
Keep going.

1460
02:20:27,420 --> 02:20:31,060
I just drafted a sort of solution that helps offset the cost.

1461
02:20:31,460 --> 02:20:35,600
I think the link with notice is to these accounts of smaller

1462
02:20:35,600 --> 02:20:36,420
balances.

1463
02:20:37,720 --> 02:20:38,260
Great.

1464
02:20:38,440 --> 02:20:39,940
It's something that is statutory.

1465
02:20:39,940 --> 02:20:41,580
It says we may do it.

1466
02:20:42,280 --> 02:20:46,300
And postage and paper just continue increasing.

1467
02:20:46,540 --> 02:20:48,880
So I thought this would help offset.

1468
02:20:49,940 --> 02:20:50,900
Any questions?

1469
02:20:53,270 --> 02:20:54,310
No questions from me.

1470
02:20:54,690 --> 02:20:55,290
Thanks, Brandy.

1471
02:20:57,550 --> 02:20:58,250
Prussia Cooper.

1472
02:21:00,890 --> 02:21:01,370
You're muted.

1473
02:21:01,670 --> 02:21:02,050
You're muted.

1474
02:21:08,150 --> 02:21:10,090
I'm going to turn on the chair to say the chair of the road

1475
02:21:10,090 --> 02:21:14,010
which is 8.2-3, instituting, and additional legal

1476
02:21:14,010 --> 02:21:16,790
and charge of the legal tax account telling us that $50.

1477
02:21:17,370 --> 02:21:18,210
I will second.

1478
02:21:18,730 --> 02:21:19,530
Okay. Any discussion?

1479
02:21:20,410 --> 02:21:21,330
Seeing none, how do you vote?

1480
02:21:22,010 --> 02:21:22,230
Aye.

1481
02:21:22,510 --> 02:21:22,650
Aye.

1482
02:21:23,910 --> 02:21:24,190
Great.

1483
02:21:24,190 --> 02:21:31,790
and then I think we can move to 10A, social services and I think Lenea, I see you on there.

1484
02:21:34,170 --> 02:21:34,470
Hello.

1485
02:21:37,890 --> 02:21:37,990
Hello.

1486
02:21:39,550 --> 02:21:43,850
I'm just going to do a little bit of care with me.

1487
02:21:44,470 --> 02:21:49,350
So, we've submitted a packet that includes our balance sheet from social services.

1488
02:21:49,890 --> 02:21:56,470
It's going to be held down here, along with our earned revenue and expenditures for April.

1489
02:21:57,370 --> 02:22:04,630
Expenditures for our ATT transfers may, and then the next we are check registries to

1490
02:22:04,630 --> 02:22:09,430
come to the main, and then our mobile reports and our allocation to the one with care for

1491
02:22:09,430 --> 02:22:09,750
them.

1492
02:22:10,930 --> 02:22:16,770
And then as you can see, we have our case load for our benefits and a graph that can be put

1493
02:22:16,770 --> 02:22:20,830
together so it should look the same, just do the change of the next month added.

1494
02:22:22,150 --> 02:22:27,850
And as you can see, you know, the numbers for May are about to be seen as the month before.

1495
02:22:28,110 --> 02:22:30,890
We are going up on our Medicaid.

1496
02:22:31,930 --> 02:22:33,170
So there's just a few thing about Medicaid.

1497
02:22:33,450 --> 02:22:34,150
You just see there's no.

1498
02:22:34,390 --> 02:22:41,490
We did get extension through July to the teens for the public health emergency for all Medicaid clients.

1499
02:22:41,550 --> 02:22:42,930
We'll continue to be locked in.

1500
02:22:44,130 --> 02:22:47,090
They will review that July to the teens.

1501
02:22:47,090 --> 02:22:53,390
We make a decision if they determine the goal from being locked in or so on how the government

1502
02:22:53,390 --> 02:22:53,910
exceeds.

1503
02:22:54,570 --> 02:22:57,690
There were two angels at the first 15th when they were already there.

1504
02:22:58,570 --> 02:23:02,230
So we're just kind of on every 60 day wait for that.

1505
02:23:04,530 --> 02:23:08,090
So those are kind of the financials in the case loads that I have in that first part of

1506
02:23:08,090 --> 02:23:08,230
that.

1507
02:23:09,550 --> 02:23:09,990
Okay.

1508
02:23:10,410 --> 02:23:10,630
No.

1509
02:23:11,010 --> 02:23:15,510
Any questions for Lenea on that first part on the packet?

1510
02:23:16,890 --> 02:23:23,150
Seeing none, we need a motion on this. I believe.

1511
02:23:23,590 --> 02:23:23,770
The

1512
02:23:29,560 --> 02:23:38,600
food, the food services report on top of the months of April and May as they are

1513
02:23:38,600 --> 02:23:39,020
happy.

1514
02:23:40,160 --> 02:23:44,340
Second. Okay. Any further discussion? How do you vote?

1515
02:23:45,380 --> 02:23:49,080
Aye. Aye. Aye. All right. And then next up, Wenaya.

1516
02:23:49,080 --> 02:23:56,720
And we're still asking if we have any child care CCAPMOU for our school year at the States.

1517
02:23:57,860 --> 02:24:05,600
And I've included both a memo from the State to us along with the MOU which kind of lays

1518
02:24:05,600 --> 02:24:10,440
out some of those reporting things that our research act program is required to do to the

1519
02:24:10,440 --> 02:24:10,980
States.

1520
02:24:12,240 --> 02:24:24,600
and regards to learning continuing to remain writers and review along the lives around that program, and this would be approved by the state-level media law.

1521
02:24:27,500 --> 02:24:28,180
Can I share a cover?

1522
02:24:30,760 --> 02:24:57,320
So as noted in this operation memo, there are some changes happening in the state and I cannot recall if I got this on a potential agenda I'm just trying to care about it, but if we could schedule a word session with our sort of department and bright futures, which is our

1523
02:24:57,320 --> 02:24:59,540
of the L.C.

1524
02:25:01,540 --> 02:25:28,620
And at some point, we're going to have to approve, I believe, or make a recommendation at some point, really, soon, for a bright future is continuing in that role. There's, I think, now, a formal approval requirement by the county, and I believe it's about the end of this month. I can't really exact process for that, but that's something that will need to be, that will need to do. And then there's going to be more coordination between that entity.

1525
02:25:28,620 --> 02:25:37,660
the ELC stands for really learning coordinator, whatever it is.

1526
02:25:38,780 --> 02:25:42,980
I do remember all the meetings to the Department of Urban Childhood

1527
02:25:42,980 --> 02:25:44,860
and out of the Department of Human Services.

1528
02:25:45,780 --> 02:25:48,520
Right, and so there's going to need to be more coordination on

1529
02:25:48,520 --> 02:25:52,300
seek out funding with that entity, so I know that Carol and

1530
02:25:54,320 --> 02:25:56,680
Kathleen have been working that out, but it would be helpful

1531
02:25:56,680 --> 02:26:00,720
to come back to the board at some point because I believe we're going to need to improve that.

1532
02:26:00,960 --> 02:26:05,600
So just a note to ask me to give that on a agenda for this week.

1533
02:26:06,900 --> 02:26:12,040
There are at least one part of it pretty quickly, and I believe that Carol maybe, unfortunately,

1534
02:26:12,200 --> 02:26:17,600
will have to represent a letter to us that we might need to ratify to the state.

1535
02:26:18,680 --> 02:26:27,900
And last week there was a letter of support for Bright Futures to be the last week.

1536
02:26:28,500 --> 02:26:32,820
I don't know if it probably hadn't had a chance to review any of those minutes or anything.

1537
02:26:33,100 --> 02:26:37,540
Commissioner Cooper, you weren't available for that but we didn't have that on the agenda last week.

1538
02:26:37,540 --> 02:26:40,060
Oh, great. Okay. I'm glad that got that. Yeah.

1539
02:26:42,280 --> 02:26:45,020
And it's strong start numbers could be

1540
02:26:46,720 --> 02:26:49,600
at that, invited to that work session, as well.

1541
02:26:49,820 --> 02:26:52,420
It feels like there's a lot of changes that are happening.

1542
02:26:52,680 --> 02:26:53,860
And it's going to be implemented.

1543
02:26:54,240 --> 02:26:58,540
And it would be helpful for you all to bring to the commissioners.

1544
02:27:00,200 --> 02:27:04,580
You know, what the intended path of all those changes is going to be.

1545
02:27:04,580 --> 02:27:08,460
and how we can best help make sure this is a smooth finish.

1546
02:27:09,320 --> 02:27:09,840
Great.

1547
02:27:12,180 --> 02:27:13,400
Any other questions, comments?

1548
02:27:16,900 --> 02:27:21,280
Seeing none, I move to approve the Chair Senator and the Colorado Child Care Assistance

1549
02:27:21,280 --> 02:27:28,260
Program. I'm a random of understanding beginning June 1st, 2022 through June 30th, 2025.

1550
02:27:29,460 --> 02:27:33,220
Okay, any further discussion? Not how do you vote?

1551
02:27:34,220 --> 02:27:34,360
Hi.

1552
02:27:35,160 --> 02:27:35,260
Hi.

1553
02:27:36,020 --> 02:27:37,320
Great. Thank you so much, Linnea.

1554
02:27:37,320 --> 02:27:38,380
you did great.

1555
02:27:41,280 --> 02:27:45,160
With that, I think we will take our lunch break. We'll be back at 12.45.

1556
02:27:45,380 --> 02:27:52,400
We'll continue with items 9A and B and then move into natural resources.

1557
02:27:52,880 --> 02:27:54,980
So we'll see everybody back here. 12.45.

1558
02:28:09,780 --> 02:28:11,900
She did sign. She did totally sign.

1559
02:28:16,100 --> 02:28:17,060
Reporting agenda.

1560
02:28:17,900 --> 02:28:21,500
All right, we're going to get back in business here.

1561
02:28:22,100 --> 02:28:27,200
We were going to address the two leftover items from the morning first, but due to a time

1562
02:28:27,200 --> 02:28:32,500
constraint, we're going to actually stick with natural resources and special projects for

1563
02:28:32,500 --> 02:28:39,680
our first item and we'll put the other two under manager matters this afternoon.

1564
02:28:41,980 --> 02:28:44,060
Start is getting set up here.

1565
02:28:45,800 --> 02:28:51,720
So the first item 11a is discussion of the climate action plan.

1566
02:28:53,690 --> 02:28:54,970
We're going to pull that up.

1567
02:29:31,140 --> 02:29:33,620
While she's doing that, I'll just let folks know.

1568
02:29:33,860 --> 02:29:38,640
So the two items that we're going to add into manager matters is a discussion of the budget

1569
02:29:38,640 --> 02:29:44,780
process for 2023 and an MOU with Monizuma Water regarding the Higmer doc.

1570
02:30:44,400 --> 02:30:47,480
Sorry for the dead air. We're getting a presentation up in

1571
02:31:48,180 --> 02:32:06,280
the agenda that we would adopt. We this wasn't this wasn't as part of the packet. So I don't think we'll get to adopt it today. We're going to discuss it. And you might need to move closer to a mic or the mic closer to you. Okay. Much better.

1572
02:32:08,820 --> 02:32:14,780
So just going over this action plan again for the third.

1573
02:32:14,780 --> 02:32:21,740
time looking through the action items that were included in the St. Miguel and

1574
02:32:21,740 --> 02:32:30,960
Ureigh County Climate Action Plan. I've tried to put together the action items in

1575
02:32:30,960 --> 02:32:42,280
a format that is easy to look at for you all and possibly for the adoption in the

1576
02:32:42,280 --> 02:32:50,440
the future as this turns into a work session again that the first page of this document

1577
02:32:50,440 --> 02:33:02,820
here, what I did is in this very far corner put in our action items. These are from the

1578
02:33:02,820 --> 02:33:12,080
current plan, where the X's are located, these are what are currently in the plan. And that

1579
02:33:12,080 --> 02:33:20,780
add are additional items that are coming in per recommendation. And then the following

1580
02:33:20,780 --> 02:33:32,800
tabs are specifics from these objectives. So I feel like any adoption of this that maybe

1581
02:33:32,800 --> 02:33:43,060
adopting these larger level items in the objectives, and then the details that we have

1582
02:33:43,060 --> 02:33:51,300
in here in these pages can be out of two. This is a working document, but I feel like

1583
02:33:51,300 --> 02:33:58,080
we need to get to an agreement on the larger objectives that we have here.

1584
02:33:59,600 --> 02:34:06,400
For instance, yesterday, Carmen received a phone call from the gentleman about what is

1585
02:34:06,400 --> 02:34:12,340
our policy on installing EV chargers for a hotel.

1586
02:34:13,440 --> 02:34:14,560
That was sent to building.

1587
02:34:15,220 --> 02:34:16,340
Building came to me.

1588
02:34:17,000 --> 02:34:18,080
We don't have a policy.

1589
02:34:18,960 --> 02:34:21,380
So the questions are going to start coming.

1590
02:34:21,380 --> 02:34:29,820
and that's also why I think it's important to identify and highlight who the departments

1591
02:34:29,820 --> 02:34:33,660
are that are going to be moving forward with these.

1592
02:34:34,940 --> 02:34:40,920
Any spreadsheets we have areas that are in progress or not started.

1593
02:34:41,720 --> 02:34:49,520
I also included in here information for your commissioners as far as who could be the

1594
02:34:49,520 --> 02:34:54,980
department support department and then information just in the past three

1595
02:34:54,980 --> 02:34:59,780
meetings when a lot of the questions come up what's

1596
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:28,940
Where are they? So I left that information in here. So those questions can just be right under the question or have identify where the region is at at this point, who started this, who can contribute to this, where Santa is in certain task. And so on that left column, I included information. And so that's no task that we're looking at taking on, but just additional information to help make decisions.

1597
02:35:28,940 --> 02:35:35,240
were just to know in a broader planning scope other information.

1598
02:35:36,380 --> 02:35:45,540
Some of the white I looked at Boulder County, and I worked with Commissioner

1599
02:35:45,540 --> 02:35:53,520
Holstrom on some additional items to put in here under the objectives that are

1600
02:35:53,520 --> 02:35:55,820
still listed in that first sheet.

1601
02:35:58,690 --> 02:36:02,710
included some policy that can be considered and

1602
02:36:09,210 --> 02:36:10,890
so under

1603
02:36:15,180 --> 02:36:16,700
the direction that I've been given

1604
02:36:16,700 --> 02:36:25,140
to look at I was told and explained and showed slides from Boulder County's planning in our

1605
02:36:25,140 --> 02:36:31,740
last meeting I reduced all that information and included it in here into the climate change

1606
02:36:31,740 --> 02:36:35,720
and under the action items or objectives,

1607
02:36:36,600 --> 02:36:39,020
column that we have based off

1608
02:36:39,020 --> 02:36:41,000
of the San Miguel and Yere plan.

1609
02:36:47,810 --> 02:36:52,350
So this was sent out last week

1610
02:36:52,350 --> 02:36:56,510
and I guess I would like to hear any other recommendations

1611
02:36:56,510 --> 02:37:03,970
to move forward with this or ideas for having this

1612
02:37:03,970 --> 02:37:07,610
be more digestible in how we move forward.

1613
02:37:08,910 --> 02:37:14,330
I think a lot of these objectives could be used, and some of these goals can be used

1614
02:37:14,330 --> 02:37:19,510
towards the more specific BSEC goals,

1615
02:37:25,820 --> 02:37:26,420
for sure.

1616
02:37:27,560 --> 02:37:31,940
I agree with what you just said, Star, and I think maybe a way to prioritize this long

1617
02:37:31,940 --> 02:37:39,060
list of objectives is to take the BSEC goals as the North Star and prioritize

1618
02:37:39,060 --> 02:37:42,580
on this list based on our current goals?

1619
02:37:46,840 --> 02:37:47,680
Right, Shackover?

1620
02:37:48,220 --> 02:37:48,720
Thoughts?

1621
02:37:52,330 --> 02:37:57,340
So, this is the first time I've seen this.

1622
02:37:57,780 --> 02:37:59,720
I started those with another one out.

1623
02:38:04,160 --> 02:38:07,360
So, this is a lot of information, too, I guess.

1624
02:38:10,440 --> 02:38:13,700
I think what I'm looking for in a climate action plan

1625
02:38:14,460 --> 02:38:21,160
I think we've got the categories, right, if you want to, you know, match the categories.

1626
02:38:23,660 --> 02:38:28,420
So I think those are generally the categories that I mentioned.

1627
02:38:31,360 --> 02:38:35,160
And then, what

1628
02:38:39,440 --> 02:38:40,420
is TNA?

1629
02:38:42,310 --> 02:38:46,550
So these are all from the current climate action plans.

1630
02:38:46,550 --> 02:38:55,970
And when you say current climate action plans, are you talking about what eco action partners have done, or is there something else to do with that?

1631
02:38:56,550 --> 02:39:03,770
The current UA and San Miguel County Climate Action Plan, which is the eco action partners product.

1632
02:39:04,910 --> 02:39:06,250
Which we voted on.

1633
02:39:09,610 --> 02:39:11,410
I don't know if I'm voting on it.

1634
02:39:13,130 --> 02:39:24,030
So this is the access here are when they came to present the highlighted the action items

1635
02:39:24,030 --> 02:39:31,130
that were on, that are in that plan and that are for local governments and specific

1636
02:39:31,130 --> 02:39:35,110
to San Miguel County, things that we can do are action items.

1637
02:39:36,290 --> 02:39:46,150
Yes, so the X's are out of that plan and they are in the first page here and so this

1638
02:39:46,150 --> 02:39:51,250
is, this hasn't changed, this is all the same thing we've been presenting and they presented

1639
02:39:51,250 --> 02:39:58,850
and that's in that current plan and then I put in here add to some things that we can

1640
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:05,820
We, upon my recommendation and what I've looked through and considering your goals, I'm added

1641
02:40:05,820 --> 02:40:13,960
in here. And then each page has, you know, all the specifics in here. There's timeframes,

1642
02:40:14,720 --> 02:40:24,640
one to three years. There's the greenhouse gas reduction potential. I included here a

1643
02:40:24,640 --> 02:40:30,640
grants and funding because I get sent a lot of grant opportunities and it's hard to keep

1644
02:40:30,640 --> 02:40:38,860
track of so having these with departments and identified into where it fits into here.

1645
02:40:39,520 --> 02:40:44,380
I thought would be helpful and like I said this is a working document that's in Google

1646
02:40:44,380 --> 02:40:49,620
Drive so it can be added to and worked with and everyone can have access to this.

1647
02:40:54,150 --> 02:41:06,380
I make some time to go through this assignment and I like that you have to test the overall

1648
02:41:11,140 --> 02:41:21,200
goals of energy, you know, the, I think there were five areas, five success areas that

1649
02:41:21,620 --> 02:41:27,120
were presented in the Ego actions plan that also the tenetary end and the other kinds of

1650
02:41:27,120 --> 02:41:29,960
and have a doctor, and if there's a priest standing, there there is.

1651
02:41:30,940 --> 02:41:34,640
I'm not thinking to match our climate action plan

1652
02:41:34,640 --> 02:41:36,760
with the current UCC goals.

1653
02:41:37,600 --> 02:41:42,100
I know that you're trying to juggle those two things.

1654
02:41:42,380 --> 02:41:43,500
I see them as different.

1655
02:41:44,120 --> 02:41:48,500
I think what is on our UCC goals is to adopt a climate action plan.

1656
02:41:48,760 --> 02:41:54,880
So this is one of our goals is to adopt a plan and start working on it.

1657
02:41:54,880 --> 02:42:01,960
It doesn't have the tip within our current goals, so I don't know if that helps the sort

1658
02:42:01,960 --> 02:42:08,620
of ongoing challenge, I think, of hearing trying to get this to match our current goals.

1659
02:42:09,120 --> 02:42:17,540
This goes beyond our current goals, and this isn't goal within our current goals, is to adopt some action items

1660
02:42:17,540 --> 02:42:21,420
that will start working out immediately and into the future.

1661
02:42:23,800 --> 02:42:28,060
to, as part of the climate action policy.

1662
02:42:28,400 --> 02:42:37,200
So, I would like to see this presented in a way that we can just simply go through

1663
02:42:37,200 --> 02:42:49,060
each of the areas, like energy supply, have some recommendations on what the county can specifically do,

1664
02:42:50,080 --> 02:42:55,880
And then have us sort of determine, you know, what the timeline is, how we can attach

1665
02:42:55,880 --> 02:42:58,580
a budget to it, etc.

1666
02:43:02,000 --> 02:43:05,140
So, still trying to understand.

1667
02:43:06,120 --> 02:43:09,240
I would just need more time to look at this document.

1668
02:43:10,680 --> 02:43:13,980
That is the idea to be more simplified.

1669
02:43:14,500 --> 02:43:18,160
And one really important part of this is how we presented to the public.

1670
02:43:18,160 --> 02:43:20,500
obviously they don't present this document to the public.

1671
02:43:20,900 --> 02:43:22,980
But how do we present this to the public

1672
02:43:26,060 --> 02:43:27,640
to get Biden?

1673
02:43:28,560 --> 02:43:31,520
Because we will be using, at least at first,

1674
02:43:31,820 --> 02:43:33,260
maybe small amounts of county money,

1675
02:43:33,540 --> 02:43:35,600
but they didn't think that these are large amounts of county

1676
02:43:35,600 --> 02:43:39,020
dollars, taxpayer dollars to be addressing these items.

1677
02:43:39,460 --> 02:43:42,400
So maybe that's when we hire somebody who

1678
02:43:42,400 --> 02:43:45,500
knows how to do for communication documents,

1679
02:43:57,620 --> 02:44:06,480
So I don't know if the action items are listed here, active projects in key tasks,

1680
02:44:06,480 --> 02:44:17,260
And then in the columns over here, you can actually do a drop down over here to support

1681
02:44:17,260 --> 02:44:25,800
that and these are all action items that have...

1682
02:44:25,800 --> 02:44:28,420
I'm just looking for action items that are relevant to the town.

1683
02:44:29,320 --> 02:44:33,400
Well these are and so this is the lead department, building department.

1684
02:44:33,400 --> 02:44:41,400
And these are all action items specific and what I said was the information on the side.

1685
02:44:42,060 --> 02:44:45,100
You might need to make an informed decision.

1686
02:44:45,300 --> 02:44:52,060
You might want to know at a regional level what Sam is doing or what the Senfals Energy

1687
02:44:52,060 --> 02:44:52,840
Boyd is doing.

1688
02:44:53,320 --> 02:44:58,840
So that's why I left that information in there because if you just, I thought it would

1689
02:44:58,840 --> 02:44:59,120
Be

1690
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:13,120
Education also leave that in there. But the lead department, support department, those are our departments and so those are all, you know, who, who, this what a fact.

1691
02:45:19,370 --> 02:45:31,910
Do you have any Commissioner Cooper? Have you had any? Because we've seen these for months, any, any changes or what problems with the objectives that have been noted in each area?

1692
02:45:35,770 --> 02:45:35,990
I

1693
02:45:39,920 --> 02:45:42,360
mean, we could take the time to

1694
02:45:42,360 --> 02:45:47,060
to go through those if that would be helpful star to move this forward.

1695
02:45:47,240 --> 02:45:52,920
I feel like we're getting a little circular here, and I'd love to move it forward.

1696
02:45:54,340 --> 02:45:59,720
Yeah, that's what I was thinking that just having these broad objectives, so

1697
02:46:04,840 --> 02:46:05,260
increased

1698
02:46:05,260 --> 02:46:11,280
community engagement and continue to prioritize collaborative intersectional decision-making

1699
02:46:11,280 --> 02:46:12,900
and action implementation.

1700
02:46:17,740 --> 02:46:22,660
Okay, that to me would fall under every category when it gets on the category.

1701
02:46:23,180 --> 02:46:27,900
So that falls to me under energy supply, under transportation, under housing, building.

1702
02:46:29,040 --> 02:46:33,380
That's not really its own thing to me at least.

1703
02:46:34,720 --> 02:46:41,940
Well, right, but as a larger objective, I'm considered greenhouse gas emissions as part of all decision making processes.

1704
02:46:41,940 --> 02:46:53,020
So, I included in that policy and planning what's county-wide,

1705
02:46:55,600 --> 02:46:56,780
and this is here again

1706
02:46:56,780 --> 02:47:03,740
where I thought that on a department level here, I included that within our county that

1707
02:47:05,300 --> 02:47:12,800
our decisions greenhouse gas emissions need to be in all decision-making and department-wide.

1708
02:47:12,800 --> 02:47:19,940
So that's how I basically took that language and put it into which would go under that topic

1709
02:47:22,720 --> 02:47:26,320
and that is integrate climate action planning into all departments.

1710
02:47:27,020 --> 02:47:35,400
So that's essentially how you narrow that down into a county goal within under that objective.

1711
02:47:37,040 --> 02:47:42,440
I wonder what makes sense start to just go ahead and go through from the main page through

1712
02:47:42,440 --> 02:47:48,300
the main objective and then we could give it a read from the commissioners if any of

1713
02:47:48,300 --> 02:47:54,220
those specifically need to change or if there are ones that they would like more

1714
02:47:54,220 --> 02:47:57,320
information or additional ones.

1715
02:47:58,300 --> 02:48:03,140
Does that feel like we could easily spend a lot of time in each one of these areas

1716
02:48:03,140 --> 02:48:05,340
and I took your first one about the public outreach

1717
02:48:05,340 --> 02:48:07,860
a little bit of information to Cooper is applying

1718
02:48:08,420 --> 02:48:10,500
to all of these subsections.

1719
02:48:11,560 --> 02:48:16,680
It was, but I don't want us to do rail here.

1720
02:48:17,740 --> 02:48:19,920
Did you run through those at the board's amenable?

1721
02:48:21,260 --> 02:48:21,640
Mm-hmm.

1722
02:48:22,180 --> 02:48:22,740
Sure.

1723
02:48:27,140 --> 02:48:29,260
I went through the first one.

1724
02:48:30,460 --> 02:48:35,520
I would also say in the community engagement and policy,

1725
02:48:35,520 --> 02:48:48,000
If you go to this page that a lot of our community outreach is creating this website, and

1726
02:48:48,500 --> 02:48:53,120
I've listed that, you know, I feel like a lot of outreach is just acknowledging this

1727
02:48:53,120 --> 02:48:56,400
plan and creating a website that has all the information on it.

1728
02:48:56,520 --> 02:49:01,120
So that's how I kind of look at this big picture, too, as like community engagement and then

1729
02:49:01,120 --> 02:49:08,760
the policy section of you are creating policy that helps drive us to move forward with

1730
02:49:09,560 --> 02:49:17,040
things such as rule makings and these climate action meetings and community engagement

1731
02:49:18,220 --> 02:49:24,380
climate action meetings that just happened in Durango and regionally so I'll just say

1732
02:49:24,380 --> 02:49:27,000
that much on the community engagement and policy piece.

1733
02:49:28,380 --> 02:49:35,300
Energy supply, increased percentage of electricity provided by renewable energy sources.

1734
02:49:37,660 --> 02:49:42,020
Well, maybe I'll just throw out a comment here and I'll advice all of it.

1735
02:49:42,140 --> 02:49:48,880
What I'm looking for in a kind of action-temp that I'll tell you is very specific and measurable

1736
02:49:51,980 --> 02:49:59,120
So, kind of this general, you know, still, you know,

1737
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:10,000
For communication and kind of general stuff is, I'm not very comfortable with that.

1738
02:50:12,520 --> 02:50:29,980
I really want to see us keeping a very specific action. I know that communication is very, very important and I do really need something on our website to actually show, maybe a dashboard to show our progress on each item. But I don't want it to happen.

1739
02:50:37,220 --> 02:50:44,300
I understand that there are specific goals here, like here, you know, that we've completed

1740
02:50:44,300 --> 02:50:52,880
this, here, we've got timelines here, one to five years, we've got our completion

1741
02:50:52,880 --> 02:51:17,040
the action items here and then those will go to the departments where the directors will then integrate those into their work plans and be responsible for creating or completing those tasks.

1742
02:51:22,190 --> 02:51:27,690
So we'll go to beneficial electrification of buildings.

1743
02:51:28,310 --> 02:51:31,390
I guess if we could just go back to energy for a second.

1744
02:51:31,690 --> 02:51:31,850
Okay.

1745
02:51:32,070 --> 02:51:43,090
I think that the overall objective should be to reduce the amount of energy used and then to increase the percentage of electricity.

1746
02:51:43,090 --> 02:51:46,610
I think it's a bit like a couple of resources, I think, personally.

1747
02:51:53,590 --> 02:51:54,490
Per capita?

1748
02:51:54,870 --> 02:51:56,590
Overall, question mark.

1749
02:51:57,930 --> 02:52:03,350
Because that's been one of the challenges is we have both a growing population

1750
02:52:03,350 --> 02:52:08,250
and a growing population that tends to use a lot more energy.

1751
02:52:09,850 --> 02:52:13,770
And if there are ways that we can address that in our codes, et cetera,

1752
02:52:13,770 --> 02:52:24,150
to look at production and not just encouraging more use, you know, it is, you know,

1753
02:52:24,310 --> 02:52:29,090
it is only for resources to, you know, for resources to be brought to you.

1754
02:52:31,860 --> 02:52:33,140
So add that as an objective?

1755
02:52:34,260 --> 02:52:34,940
Yes.

1756
02:52:35,940 --> 02:52:39,020
It would be my purpose, but it's the answer.

1757
02:52:39,940 --> 02:52:43,360
So it's just reduced energy use and increased percentage?

1758
02:52:43,360 --> 02:52:49,660
Yeah, I think just adding the words reduce energy use in the front of objective one

1759
02:52:50,360 --> 02:52:51,600
covers both bases

1760
02:52:53,020 --> 02:52:57,500
And it's all energy. This energy comes from gas too. It looks like you're only addressing

1761
02:52:57,500 --> 02:53:01,380
electricity in here. Then again, I have not reviewed any of the details of this,

1762
02:53:01,640 --> 02:53:05,520
so I'm probably missing something in all of the pages that you just see. Yeah, but

1763
02:53:05,520 --> 02:53:07,740
its energy is not just electricity.

1764
02:53:16,870 --> 02:53:18,530
Are you guys ready to move on?

1765
02:53:18,530 --> 02:53:20,070
Uh-huh. Yep.

1766
02:53:21,910 --> 02:53:22,610
Yes, I am.

1767
02:53:24,650 --> 02:53:27,010
Can I see Emma and Jirana had her hand up for a moment?

1768
02:53:27,390 --> 02:53:27,490
Oh.

1769
02:53:27,850 --> 02:53:28,570
But it just went away.

1770
02:53:29,150 --> 02:53:29,870
Now it's back up.

1771
02:53:29,990 --> 02:53:30,870
Okay, go ahead Emma.

1772
02:53:31,890 --> 02:53:32,810
I'll get you unmuted.

1773
02:53:40,700 --> 02:53:41,300
Uh, thank you.

1774
02:53:41,620 --> 02:53:43,300
Um, I just wanted to mention that

1775
02:53:43,300 --> 02:53:46,200
I've got some energy supplies that are working out for her.

1776
02:53:46,380 --> 02:53:49,120
And she was coming from the reduction of energy supplies.

1777
02:53:50,360 --> 02:53:51,660
So that was very hard.

1778
02:53:52,020 --> 02:53:54,680
Where are the kinds of energy supplies that are coming from?

1779
02:54:05,100 --> 02:54:08,900
We couldn't quite hear that, okay, try it again, sorry.

1780
02:54:10,040 --> 02:54:10,680
My bad.

1781
02:54:11,280 --> 02:54:16,380
I wanted to mention not the energy supply infection but at first yellow objective.

1782
02:54:17,560 --> 02:54:19,380
It's just looking at where energy is coming from.

1783
02:54:40,460 --> 02:54:46,180
And so I think my input would be have two objectives, it's to separate those into two different things.

1784
02:54:49,290 --> 02:54:51,810
Yeah, I don't even get that. Other energy supply? Yeah.

1785
02:55:07,950 --> 02:55:16,890
Okay, and under building, energy section, beneficial electrification of buildings.

1786
02:55:19,480 --> 02:55:19,940
So we're going

1787
02:55:19,940 --> 02:55:27,740
to, I think we need to put like a verb in here, like either increase or support or both,

1788
02:55:27,980 --> 02:55:28,680
something like that.

1789
02:55:31,760 --> 02:55:35,880
And I, I'm having trouble with this kind of immediately jumping to

1790
02:55:35,880 --> 02:55:42,980
beneficial communication. Right now, we're heavily dependent on coal. So this

1791
02:55:42,980 --> 02:55:50,120
seems like a later step that I support very much in the future, but we're not

1792
02:55:50,120 --> 02:56:05,860
there yet. So again, reduce or support buildings that are which we can

1793
02:56:05,860 --> 02:56:11,880
And then support

1794
02:56:17,350 --> 02:56:24,250
beneficial electric computation, as long as it's coming from a renewable resource

1795
02:56:24,250 --> 02:56:26,030
and not coal.

1796
02:56:29,050 --> 02:56:33,850
So we could switch those two objectives, put the second one first, which is continue

1797
02:56:33,850 --> 02:56:39,250
to improve building energy codes, and then the second one could be as you suggested.

1798
02:56:39,250 --> 02:56:47,890
support beneficial electrification of buildings with renewable resources or renewable energy, something to that effect.

1799
02:56:51,140 --> 02:57:00,120
If the source is renewable, or once the source is more renewable.

1800
02:57:09,080 --> 02:57:12,280
So, how are you with the second one?

1801
02:57:15,790 --> 02:57:16,190
Second.

1802
02:57:16,190 --> 02:57:20,490
Because you just said to, I'm just going to be in the first piece of order.

1803
02:57:21,510 --> 02:57:26,410
And put, continue to improve building energy codes for new construction remodels and additions.

1804
02:57:26,450 --> 02:57:27,750
That would be objective one.

1805
02:57:30,740 --> 02:57:33,020
And then the second one would be the

1806
02:57:35,040 --> 02:57:35,780
beneficial elect.

1807
02:57:36,620 --> 02:57:42,440
Support beneficial electrification that's using renewable resources.

1808
02:57:44,660 --> 02:57:50,720
And we could put some nuance in there later, you know, as the transition or as the percentage from tri-state.

1809
02:57:51,480 --> 02:57:54,820
changes then we support this even more or something to that effect.

1810
02:58:02,920 --> 02:58:03,280
Okay.

1811
02:58:04,060 --> 02:58:07,680
Objective three increased natural gas efficiency makes

1812
02:58:10,240 --> 02:58:10,680
sense.

1813
02:58:10,740 --> 02:58:15,540
It's kind of wrapped into the new number one, but it doesn't hurt to have it called out

1814
02:58:15,540 --> 02:58:16,180
specifically.

1815
02:58:17,560 --> 02:58:19,200
And what does that mean exactly?

1816
02:58:21,560 --> 02:58:28,280
If you look under, so these are the goals under those, continue rebate and incentive programs

1817
02:58:28,280 --> 02:58:33,600
to replace older inefficient systems, encourage water tank insulation pipe wrap, provide technical

1818
02:58:33,600 --> 02:58:36,120
assistance for natural gas, heating alternatives.

1819
02:58:40,420 --> 02:58:43,660
So what's under the objectives is supporting other

1820
02:58:45,960 --> 02:58:48,500
regional action plans to, or action

1821
02:58:48,500 --> 02:58:50,200
items to support the objectives.

1822
02:58:50,200 --> 02:58:51,060
Okay,

1823
02:58:54,540 --> 02:58:58,360
so I

1824
02:59:06,290 --> 02:59:17,110
think we're trying to get off of natural gas, so I think we should go back

1825
02:59:17,110 --> 02:59:22,430
to the main number one goal of making buildings more energy efficient.

1826
02:59:26,320 --> 02:59:30,660
I still support this objective, there's a whole lot of folks out there who won't be changing

1827
02:59:30,660 --> 02:59:37,680
out natural gas, um, flances or who won't be doing a remodel. So I think the, uh, actions

1828
02:59:37,680 --> 02:59:45,960
listed are still beneficial for reducing our, um, reducing our use and increasing efficiency.

1829
02:59:48,540 --> 02:59:52,580
Okay. So the way this leads to me is we're trying to make natural gas more efficient, but

1830
02:59:52,580 --> 02:59:59,540
you can't do that. So we, and we can't do that. So, uh, I guess this is, um,

1831
03:00:00,080 --> 03:00:07,100
Increasing the efficiency of natural gas appliances? Is that what you're trying to get out of here?

1832
03:00:09,880 --> 03:00:11,580
It's, yeah, yeah.

1833
03:00:20,910 --> 03:00:31,110
Okay, the man we should just say we're in. Increase natural gas appliance efficiency. Did that cover it? That's me.

1834
03:00:33,720 --> 03:00:41,280
I, again, like appliance efficiency. We don't, we don't have any control over this supply side of natural gas.

1835
03:00:41,280 --> 03:00:45,500
So, how about, but I'm not sure if that's the industry necessarily.

1836
03:00:45,780 --> 03:00:51,840
So, we're just trying to make our, is it just appliances that you use natural gas?

1837
03:00:52,080 --> 03:00:55,880
Am I not in line with, is there other things that you use natural gas?

1838
03:00:56,880 --> 03:01:02,200
What do we just say, increase the efficiency of natural gas appliances?

1839
03:01:02,620 --> 03:01:03,840
That's what Lance just said.

1840
03:01:04,320 --> 03:01:04,380
Yeah.

1841
03:01:06,270 --> 03:01:07,630
Do we have order appliances?

1842
03:01:07,870 --> 03:01:08,170
Thank you.

1843
03:01:08,470 --> 03:01:09,590
We have not turned very long.

1844
03:01:09,990 --> 03:01:10,090
Yeah.

1845
03:01:10,090 --> 03:01:15,250
Yeah, because all of these actions do really apply to specific appliances, and I don't

1846
03:01:15,250 --> 03:01:16,250
think there's any other uses.

1847
03:01:16,490 --> 03:01:22,570
I mean, there's heaters, stoves, yeah, I think appliances covers it.

1848
03:01:27,030 --> 03:01:33,610
And then the net forth is reduce energy consumption in rentals, apartments, and multi-family buildings.

1849
03:01:36,670 --> 03:01:40,290
I think that would be covered, it may not necessarily need its own objective.

1850
03:01:40,290 --> 03:01:45,890
of it's covered in our first one, but it can also be standalone just to sort of separate

1851
03:01:45,890 --> 03:01:48,910
these things into more manageable chunks, perhaps.

1852
03:01:53,870 --> 03:01:59,210
Yeah, and some of these, the county won't be able to do, yeah, won't be able to have

1853
03:01:59,210 --> 03:02:00,590
action items attached to these,

1854
03:02:04,370 --> 03:02:07,330
improve the energy efficiency performance of existing

1855
03:02:07,330 --> 03:02:07,810
buildings,

1856
03:02:11,920 --> 03:02:13,240
anticipate

1857
03:02:17,980 --> 03:02:21,900
and mitigate likely expansion of air-conditioning use in new and existing

1858
03:02:21,900 --> 03:02:22,460
buildings.

1859
03:02:22,460 --> 03:02:22,660
Thanks.

1860
03:02:28,460 --> 03:02:33,540
So just to start with the first, as I can hear, do we have a goal with where I'm trying

1861
03:02:33,540 --> 03:02:35,140
to get with all this?

1862
03:02:35,420 --> 03:02:37,100
Do we have a specific number of mine?

1863
03:02:37,340 --> 03:02:38,060
Are we going to adopt?

1864
03:02:38,800 --> 03:02:42,620
But the state is now using, are we?

1865
03:02:42,620 --> 03:02:47,340
We have talked about using what the state goals were.

1866
03:02:47,620 --> 03:02:48,640
We had talked about that previously.

1867
03:02:49,400 --> 03:02:51,180
And that makes sense to me to align the state.

1868
03:02:52,240 --> 03:02:56,880
I think the only challenge there is I think there's still use a baseline.

1869
03:02:58,260 --> 03:03:02,720
that we don't have data for, so we just have to adjust that.

1870
03:03:08,300 --> 03:03:11,640
And is that something that you agree with Commissioner Warranty?

1871
03:03:11,740 --> 03:03:20,580
Just trying to make sure that we've got it in a way we've got it direction, at least two or three times, to, yeah, well, yes, go ahead.

1872
03:03:21,860 --> 03:03:29,620
I think that's an easy place to find a baseline and a target.

1873
03:03:31,280 --> 03:03:39,080
And then I guess I could look at each of these items a little more specifically if we're

1874
03:03:39,080 --> 03:03:44,940
trying to get you, you know, I can't decide to go off top of my head, I believe it's

1875
03:03:46,180 --> 03:03:52,640
70% production by 2040, then are these objectives going to get this there?

1876
03:03:53,480 --> 03:03:59,600
Because otherwise it just feels to me like, you know, we're just throwing more and more

1877
03:03:59,600 --> 03:04:07,030
stuff out there and we're not actually really closer to the goal.

1878
03:04:07,670 --> 03:04:12,210
And that's what I believe is so we're all on an action plan is this is our target.

1879
03:04:12,530 --> 03:04:13,890
This is a number that we're trying to achieve.

1880
03:04:14,310 --> 03:04:15,810
This is what we need to do to get there.

1881
03:04:16,390 --> 03:04:20,210
And then what are the top items that the county can have the toll of?

1882
03:04:20,350 --> 03:04:25,070
And without that sort of information, it's just hard for me to, I mean all this is nice.

1883
03:04:26,430 --> 03:04:29,390
Is it actually going to get us anywhere?

1884
03:04:30,530 --> 03:04:36,110
One of my questions is I mean I think it starts looked at all the climate action plans

1885
03:04:36,110 --> 03:04:41,650
that you suggested you liked and I'm not sure that any of those have that very specific

1886
03:04:42,330 --> 03:04:47,170
number and then I'd like to see that as well but I does have on this one the potential

1887
03:04:47,970 --> 03:04:54,130
greenhouse gas reduction potential rating and I think perhaps if this is adopted we could

1888
03:04:54,710 --> 03:04:59,070
dive into the ones with the highest potential first or you know just have that

1889
03:04:59,070 --> 03:04:59,890
the balancing actor.

1890
03:05:00,000 --> 03:05:10,560
What has the highest potential and is the most doable and then kind of create a different timeline or more precise timeline on those specific ones?

1891
03:05:13,200 --> 03:05:30,520
Yeah, because the exactly what you're saying, that's why this is put in here. And then the time frame as well, if you want to work within that time frame of this climate action plan of using the reduction goals.

1892
03:05:30,520 --> 03:05:37,680
But it seems like the last few meetings it sounded like those were changing so that's also a question

1893
03:05:37,680 --> 03:05:39,980
I've continued to put in here

1894
03:05:40,920 --> 03:05:43,000
If those numbers are still the same

1895
03:05:49,240 --> 03:05:57,180
I mean have you have you seen an example of what you're after from another county. It's really specific because

1896
03:05:58,540 --> 03:06:05,740
I haven't I haven't either. It's just a lot of fluff. It's a lot of background. They set a goal and

1897
03:06:06,240 --> 03:06:14,700
There's nothing that's specific with action items, and I showed you all that spreadsheet

1898
03:06:15,940 --> 03:06:23,980
of action items I think that came out of Picking County, because I have that whole spreadsheet

1899
03:06:23,980 --> 03:06:31,040
that compared all the counties, but there are action items in there, in their basic action items.

1900
03:06:31,040 --> 03:06:33,080
There's no timeframes, there's nothing.

1901
03:06:34,540 --> 03:06:36,520
And some of those were separated out

1902
03:06:36,520 --> 03:06:37,760
within the departments.

1903
03:06:40,520 --> 03:06:46,160
But my recommendation and this entire, all this work

1904
03:06:46,160 --> 03:06:51,200
that I've done thus far is based off of the start

1905
03:06:51,200 --> 03:06:53,440
with the Snuffles Energy Board Plan.

1906
03:06:54,360 --> 03:06:57,440
Taking Boulder, Picking County, Summit County,

1907
03:06:59,380 --> 03:07:07,640
out county, I believe, and it was the five I presented in the second meeting and then

1908
03:07:07,640 --> 03:07:15,760
integrated what I thought were important topics into some of these action items and to

1909
03:07:15,760 --> 03:07:18,760
be honest, a lot of them cross over in multiple plans.

1910
03:07:18,760 --> 03:07:19,640
And

1911
03:07:22,010 --> 03:07:32,190
I looked at the state climate, the top five climate actions for greenhouse gas reductions, and we've hit them all here.

1912
03:07:37,430 --> 03:07:44,930
It seems like we're stuck a little bit on the fact that we have so many options in front of us.

1913
03:07:45,190 --> 03:07:53,910
And maybe what Chris said just a minute ago is a way that we could refine this list to our top priorities,

1914
03:07:53,910 --> 03:08:08,450
which is where I feel like I'd be better able to focus and that's the combination of the most impact and the most doable from our county perspective.

1915
03:08:09,130 --> 03:08:21,250
A lot of these things on the list are in progress with other organizations spearheading them and it's not clutter and it's useful to know about.

1916
03:08:21,250 --> 03:08:42,570
But at some point, those exes need to get, I think, from my benefit, put into just one short list of what we as San Miguel County can do and the numbers associated with the impact for each of those actions we could then try to highlight, prioritize, discuss.

1917
03:08:42,570 --> 03:08:50,590
us. This list feels so long for me that I'm having a hard time winnowing out what where

1918
03:08:50,590 --> 03:08:59,210
the X's are on the far left side for the counties for our counties most impact. Does

1919
03:08:59,210 --> 03:09:03,950
that make sense to anybody else or are you guys able to grasp all this?

1920
03:09:03,950 --> 03:09:13,570
I think that's where I'm at too late, I just, I, um, yeah, I don't even know how we can actually get something done.

1921
03:09:13,770 --> 03:09:21,050
Maybe the recommendations on what the top five items, the action items that we can take, the county can take.

1922
03:09:22,390 --> 03:09:30,590
Also, helping with the regional items that are happening, if there's anything, we can do the help but that.

1923
03:09:30,590 --> 03:09:32,470
And that's what I did on these individual.

1924
03:09:33,290 --> 03:09:35,370
So this is all the objectives.

1925
03:09:36,130 --> 03:09:38,550
And so I don't know how to reduce this even more,

1926
03:09:38,670 --> 03:09:40,610
because I've taken the objectives,

1927
03:09:40,610 --> 03:09:42,330
and now we're looking at each objective.

1928
03:09:43,050 --> 03:09:45,070
I did what you all just said.

1929
03:09:45,850 --> 03:09:47,510
Here is the lead department.

1930
03:09:47,970 --> 03:09:49,030
These are the objectives.

1931
03:09:49,530 --> 03:09:52,510
And this is continue Snuffles Energy Board

1932
03:09:52,510 --> 03:09:53,410
quarterly meetings.

1933
03:09:53,790 --> 03:09:55,510
That is Snuffles Energy Board leading.

1934
03:09:55,510 --> 03:09:57,330
That is Lance and I attending.

1935
03:09:57,330 --> 03:09:59,970
So these are still the-

1936
03:10:00,020 --> 03:10:10,640
Action item, these individual spreadsheets are my recommendation of research and what specifically

1937
03:10:10,640 --> 03:10:17,000
the county can do for our action plan. I didn't include all of that from the first page.

1938
03:10:20,460 --> 03:10:26,880
Like I said here, the people that asked me not village solar rebate program because people

1939
03:10:26,880 --> 03:10:31,220
said what are other people doing? So I left that information in there that that is something

1940
03:10:31,220 --> 03:10:37,840
that another municipality is doing. And some of this stuff we just need to support

1941
03:10:37,840 --> 03:10:44,880
and put on our website and supporting other and supporting the municipalities as they're

1942
03:10:44,880 --> 03:10:51,140
doing that. And I think I mentioned this before is this information that we have on the website

1943
03:10:51,140 --> 03:10:56,320
and what we're doing will help direct these questions that

1944
03:10:56,320 --> 03:11:01,520
Carmen often will get and we don't have direction to where this is going

1945
03:11:01,520 --> 03:11:08,080
or you know we just need to start with a plan you know and and so as far

1946
03:11:08,080 --> 03:11:13,960
as the objectives that I've come up with I just picked those out and put

1947
03:11:13,960 --> 03:11:20,280
those in there and then I put them by department so it's kind of

1948
03:11:20,280 --> 03:11:25,360
I've already done, I already weeded through what isn't relevant necessarily to us.

1949
03:11:26,080 --> 03:11:26,880
Thanks, sir, that helps.

1950
03:11:27,040 --> 03:11:32,620
I think where I was getting hung up was we were looking at the objectives high level,

1951
03:11:33,280 --> 03:11:41,320
but then we were also going through some of the underlying things that were listed underneath those objectives.

1952
03:11:41,860 --> 03:11:46,380
And I wanted to flip screen to where we are now to see the San Miguel County

1953
03:11:46,380 --> 03:11:56,900
underneath one of the six overarching objectives and so obviously I haven't

1954
03:11:56,900 --> 03:12:01,380
spent enough time with this either to really be able to snapshot it in my head

1955
03:12:01,380 --> 03:12:08,280
and as you walk me through it, your knowledge of it isn't as better than mine

1956
03:12:08,280 --> 03:12:14,500
and I'm not able to make the jump back and forth from page one and the next tab

1957
03:12:14,500 --> 03:12:18,860
that you're saying here are the things that Miguel County can do.

1958
03:12:19,980 --> 03:12:28,440
With that understanding, I feel like I may just need a little more time to do my homework,

1959
03:12:28,640 --> 03:12:29,060
my frankly.

1960
03:12:29,880 --> 03:12:34,900
It doesn't feel like I'm very effective in this conversation because I haven't had

1961
03:12:34,900 --> 03:12:43,720
a chance to tab back and forth and make intelligent comments, I'm sorry, but didn't get that

1962
03:12:43,720 --> 03:12:47,180
work done. I think I have an idea again I'll help and I'll do a little more

1963
03:12:47,180 --> 03:12:52,240
specific and do it right away because I think one of the things like under

1964
03:12:52,240 --> 03:12:55,480
building energy we have the objective and then have a whole lot of things that

1965
03:12:55,480 --> 03:12:59,020
are building and then you have the information so one is just to clear up put

1966
03:12:59,020 --> 03:13:02,860
like all the information at the bottom and have the stuff that's specific to

1967
03:13:02,860 --> 03:13:09,240
departments at the at the top and then maybe we can I can work on even color

1968
03:13:09,240 --> 03:13:13,180
are coding it with the higher greenhouse gas reduction

1969
03:13:13,180 --> 03:13:18,080
potential might be something that we use to wait it

1970
03:13:18,080 --> 03:13:20,680
in the next presentation of this or another,

1971
03:13:20,800 --> 03:13:22,320
just another version of it.

1972
03:13:22,440 --> 03:13:24,700
So it says, like, weighted, GHD weighted

1973
03:13:24,700 --> 03:13:25,660
or something to that effect.

1974
03:13:26,680 --> 03:13:29,520
Yeah, I can just do this spreadsheet to bring up

1975
03:13:29,520 --> 03:13:33,480
all the fours on the top down.

1976
03:13:34,140 --> 03:13:37,160
And I can indent the information for you

1977
03:13:37,160 --> 03:13:39,800
because I still think that needs to come under

1978
03:13:39,800 --> 03:13:42,580
because I don't think you'll be able to follow top

1979
03:13:42,580 --> 03:13:45,120
to bottom going down to look at the information at the bottom.

1980
03:13:45,920 --> 03:13:47,400
So I can just indent it.

1981
03:13:47,600 --> 03:13:51,360
I can take it out of the couple versions

1982
03:13:51,360 --> 03:13:52,700
is probably going to be helpful.

1983
03:13:53,120 --> 03:13:56,900
One that has the information right with the item,

1984
03:13:57,180 --> 03:13:59,180
but also one that is much more concise.

1985
03:13:59,880 --> 03:14:02,320
So I'll help work on that.

1986
03:14:04,650 --> 03:14:08,590
I guess I need the other input so far.

1987
03:14:09,490 --> 03:14:13,150
Because I know we have another item to discuss and you guys have to get off it

1988
03:14:13,830 --> 03:14:14,390
to

1989
03:14:14,890 --> 03:14:16,510
230 to 30 okay

1990
03:14:18,010 --> 03:14:23,570
Yeah, I agree with commissioner. I just I'm this is a person. I've seen this document

1991
03:14:24,550 --> 03:14:27,790
Honestly just overwhelmed by it and so I

1992
03:14:28,430 --> 03:14:30,570
Would like to face this on

1993
03:14:30,570 --> 03:14:37,790
This is the county goal to produce free as cash is by 70% by the year 2040 and this is how

1994
03:14:39,490 --> 03:14:42,630
And I don't know if this is all part of it.

1995
03:14:42,970 --> 03:14:49,250
I would request one thing, if you have seen one that you like that does that, if you

1996
03:14:49,250 --> 03:14:52,810
could share that, that would be great, because I have not, you know, I've seen-

1997
03:14:52,810 --> 03:14:56,950
We have seen it in a really quick call of the counties, and so far, ten of them have

1998
03:14:56,950 --> 03:14:59,110
and it's me that they all adopted, very successful.

1999
03:14:59,690 --> 03:14:59,850
So.

2000
03:15:08,780 --> 03:15:29,980
I would really appreciate if you want to share that with us, because I think we might have more time. Some of us might have more time than you do, because we did look at the ones that you'd suggested before that said they had very specific things, and it didn't seem like that translates to it.

2001
03:15:29,980 --> 03:15:35,680
what you're asking for, which is that timeline and that very specific data driven reduction,

2002
03:15:35,880 --> 03:15:40,760
which I agree, that would be the ultimate goal for me, is that we have a timeline and

2003
03:15:40,760 --> 03:15:46,220
we know how to get there and we know that this action is going to help us get 10% of the

2004
03:15:46,220 --> 03:15:46,380
way.

2005
03:15:46,920 --> 03:15:51,960
But I have not seen that in any of those, the ones that were suggested previously.

2006
03:15:52,320 --> 03:15:57,380
So if you don't mind just sharing which counties have replied, I'm happy to look into that

2007
03:15:57,380 --> 03:15:57,580
more.

2008
03:15:58,540 --> 03:16:04,260
I'm listening to the town council meeting yesterday for most of the day and one of the things

2009
03:16:04,260 --> 03:16:11,800
that came up was their board discussed and decided to hire a climate planner or a climate

2010
03:16:11,800 --> 03:16:12,920
action specialist.

2011
03:16:13,900 --> 03:16:20,140
And it may be that if we're trying to do something that is cutting edge in the sense, if we don't

2012
03:16:20,140 --> 03:16:27,420
get that response that we're all looking for, this may be more than stock and take on

2013
03:16:27,420 --> 03:16:32,580
by herself, and I'm not sure if I'm suggesting another position full-time or part-time, but

2014
03:16:33,100 --> 03:16:38,920
Starscott are hands full with a lot of other things as well, and this is critical for

2015
03:16:38,920 --> 03:16:48,700
us to do it well and do it right, and to expect start to be an expert in all areas of not

2016
03:16:48,700 --> 03:16:55,300
only climate action planning, but also natural resources, preservation, and be able to

2017
03:16:55,300 --> 03:16:58,700
to do everything well, maybe not possible.

2018
03:16:59,160 --> 03:17:00,520
I kind of support that idea.

2019
03:17:00,620 --> 03:17:03,700
I'd love to find out what the town, who the town's looking,

2020
03:17:03,880 --> 03:17:05,740
what they're looking for, and who they've hired.

2021
03:17:06,360 --> 03:17:09,500
Because I do think it's that really specific data

2022
03:17:09,500 --> 03:17:11,320
that it seems like Commissioner Cooper's wanting

2023
03:17:11,320 --> 03:17:13,240
that I want, that I think we all want.

2024
03:17:13,640 --> 03:17:16,120
You know, the little in your effort, Starr, I'm just,

2025
03:17:16,200 --> 03:17:19,000
no, it's just realizing that this is huge.

2026
03:17:19,860 --> 03:17:23,100
And I have heard from citizens are just like basically

2027
03:17:23,100 --> 03:17:23,880
saying the same thing.

2028
03:17:23,880 --> 03:17:31,220
there's no real target, there's no real actions, you know, why can't we just require solar

2029
03:17:31,220 --> 03:17:37,500
on every new construction. I didn't answer that, but you know those kinds of very specific

2030
03:17:37,500 --> 03:17:44,060
things might be very useful and if we could piggyback on a fee that's already out there

2031
03:17:44,060 --> 03:17:49,840
or at least understand what the town of Tayrida specifically going after, I think that would

2032
03:17:49,840 --> 03:17:57,400
be very helpful. Let me do a little research into that and I'll share that with with

2033
03:17:57,400 --> 03:18:01,760
Star and with Mike and with the rest of the board. Great.

2034
03:18:01,840 --> 03:18:05,740
I think it's super helpful, Star. You've done this inventory and you've developed this

2035
03:18:05,740 --> 03:18:09,780
really comprehensive list and now it just feels familiar. I think it takes somebody who does

2036
03:18:09,780 --> 03:18:16,400
this professionally to help come up with a plan to help recommend a plan for us that

2037
03:18:16,400 --> 03:18:17,660
will actually get stuff done.

2038
03:18:18,400 --> 03:18:21,140
And I know that Star could do that.

2039
03:18:21,340 --> 03:18:24,940
I don't want this to sound like we don't trust you.

2040
03:18:25,700 --> 03:18:28,740
It's more that I know how many other things you're also

2041
03:18:28,740 --> 03:18:29,780
responsible for.

2042
03:18:31,400 --> 03:18:34,840
And if we can find someone to help you.

2043
03:18:35,980 --> 03:18:42,060
Well, frankly, I've seen some of the professional outcomes.

2044
03:18:42,840 --> 03:18:43,960
And they're fluff.

2045
03:18:44,840 --> 03:19:02,280
Most of what I've seen is really general, like you've seen, I have not come across anything that's specifically what we're looking for, which is, again, why I would be happy to look and spend the time because I have it on the other county specific programs.

2046
03:19:02,960 --> 03:19:05,540
Well, you take that part.

2047
03:19:05,960 --> 03:19:07,680
Yeah, let's divide and conquer a little bit.

2048
03:19:08,180 --> 03:19:09,360
See what we learn and come back.

2049
03:19:09,720 --> 03:19:14,260
And I know that the Snuffles Energy Board has also looked at numerous plans.

2050
03:19:14,340 --> 03:19:16,160
Come up with these action items.

2051
03:19:18,120 --> 03:19:19,360
And can you share proof?

2052
03:19:19,480 --> 03:19:21,040
I don't know when you said that you reached out.

2053
03:19:21,540 --> 03:19:22,320
That they have goals.

2054
03:19:22,320 --> 03:19:27,540
Are you saying that they have the goal of 70% reduction?

2055
03:19:27,540 --> 03:19:32,420
and that goal are you saying specific goals?

2056
03:19:32,940 --> 03:19:35,400
Because they've seen specific goals from counties,

2057
03:19:35,640 --> 03:19:38,940
but they're not prioritized,

2058
03:19:39,080 --> 03:19:42,080
they're not in this form, they're fluff,

2059
03:19:42,340 --> 03:19:45,200
they're just laid out there based off of departments

2060
03:19:45,700 --> 03:19:49,160
like picking counties was probably one of the more,

2061
03:19:49,560 --> 03:19:53,520
they had a spreadsheet with a department

2062
03:19:54,280 --> 03:19:55,640
and who was doing what.

2063
03:19:55,640 --> 03:19:59,800
And it wasn't on, they didn't even have the greenhouse gas reduction.

2064
03:20:02,900 --> 03:20:29,980
And I'm not even sure they had a timeline with Darzy there. I'd have to go back and look. But those bigger plans are just, I think that they just create a big picture for the departments to then take on. And I'll just be honest, like that's something else to consider is how much time when that's why I put this in here. When I'm looking, you know, I put in

2065
03:20:29,980 --> 03:20:33,760
individual means, and I put planning in here, I put open space and trails.

2066
03:20:34,160 --> 03:20:37,740
How much time do they have, and where are they going to prioritize that?

2067
03:20:38,240 --> 03:20:45,380
I think it's not necessarily your, that prioritization comes into the departments to make those decisions.

2068
03:20:47,080 --> 03:20:47,600
So

2069
03:20:49,680 --> 03:20:51,700
that also is helpful.

2070
03:20:52,160 --> 03:20:54,560
I think we have a plan forward to the next steps.

2071
03:20:55,320 --> 03:20:56,400
At least for commission wearing.

2072
03:20:57,160 --> 03:20:59,300
We've got a couple of baby steps to see what we get.

2073
03:20:59,680 --> 03:20:59,780
Yeah.

2074
03:21:00,720 --> 03:21:01,520
In the meantime.

2075
03:21:01,960 --> 03:21:04,260
So it's going to start quickly if I'm wrong.

2076
03:21:04,400 --> 03:21:04,460
But

2077
03:21:06,800 --> 03:21:11,000
we've got the word kind of commissioners goals in general.

2078
03:21:11,440 --> 03:21:12,980
We just don't have to say you're not mine.

2079
03:21:14,020 --> 03:21:14,540
We have to.

2080
03:21:14,920 --> 03:21:15,340
Is that better?

2081
03:21:16,160 --> 03:21:16,400
Yeah.

2082
03:21:16,540 --> 03:21:16,640
Okay.

2083
03:21:17,200 --> 03:21:19,740
We have the word of kind of commissioners goals in general.

2084
03:21:19,940 --> 03:21:21,800
We just don't have a lot of the specifics.

2085
03:21:22,260 --> 03:21:25,400
And that's where I think staff is getting sort of bogged down

2086
03:21:25,400 --> 03:21:31,380
with how to address all the stuff that we get thrown at us because we're struggling

2087
03:21:31,380 --> 03:21:37,740
at least for me like you know I was talking to the star about like the 1500 you know rulemaking

2088
03:21:37,740 --> 03:21:42,920
emails that we get not everything is a priority but how can we help ourselves to be able to

2089
03:21:42,920 --> 03:21:48,300
prioritize them based off of you know we've got our general goals but we don't have anything more

2090
03:21:48,300 --> 03:21:54,560
specific and so getting to this a little bit more detailed sooner rather than later I think

2091
03:21:54,560 --> 03:22:00,500
would help staff be able to sort out what we bring to you or what we filter out on your

2092
03:22:00,500 --> 03:22:04,620
behalf because you know a lot of times we're filtering stuff out and then all of a sudden

2093
03:22:04,620 --> 03:22:10,240
we find out last minute oh no no we really wanted to do that or we're bringing you stuff

2094
03:22:10,240 --> 03:22:18,360
that we think is what you want but you don't so we're just trying to meet your needs in

2095
03:22:18,360 --> 03:22:22,960
the best way possible and I think stars put an awful lot of work on trying to put this

2096
03:22:22,960 --> 03:22:29,640
in writing and it has been shared with everybody and so if we want to try to keep this task

2097
03:22:29,640 --> 03:22:34,780
going and moving forward is there is there another good time to put this on an agenda

2098
03:22:34,780 --> 03:22:40,140
and then knowing that you know everybody will have an opportunity to really look at it

2099
03:22:40,140 --> 03:22:47,740
and spend a little bit more time on how it can be sort of start to be sort of funneled

2100
03:22:47,740 --> 03:22:51,980
down into and distilled into what we really need because again I think start started out

2101
03:22:51,980 --> 03:22:57,020
that, you know, staff is getting phone calls on stuff and we just aren't too sure where

2102
03:22:57,020 --> 03:23:01,360
to go with it all of the time, mostly the time we can, but there are some things that we

2103
03:23:01,360 --> 03:23:01,940
just don't.

2104
03:23:02,240 --> 03:23:05,760
So it would be, I would, I could find it helpful when staff does get calls.

2105
03:23:06,080 --> 03:23:10,420
I don't know, there's a way to do it, but just put that in, it's one of our little lists.

2106
03:23:10,860 --> 03:23:16,280
Oh, we had our phone call today about EV and hotel just so that we kind of have this ongoing

2107
03:23:16,280 --> 03:23:25,260
knowledge. I think realistically, late August, early September for an adoption that would

2108
03:23:25,260 --> 03:23:29,600
give us because Commissioner Cooper has gone July for the most part, we could have an

2109
03:23:29,600 --> 03:23:38,820
updated maybe condensed version to her 6.0 or whatever to have out before then. So if there's

2110
03:23:38,820 --> 03:23:44,380
any spare time when she's gone, she could take a look at it. But that would be my thought

2111
03:23:44,380 --> 03:23:51,140
is that if we just have it out there that we'll get this done in September that

2112
03:23:51,140 --> 03:23:55,060
seems like a realistic timeline from my perspective.

2113
03:23:57,130 --> 03:23:57,910
Other commissioners?

2114
03:23:58,870 --> 03:24:06,110
That sounds good to me. I would agree with that too. I just I mean I guess I'll

2115
03:24:06,110 --> 03:24:09,430
just sort of close that one more time to see if one on the same page.

2116
03:24:13,190 --> 03:24:13,750
What I would

2117
03:24:13,750 --> 03:24:28,830
a very specific goal of producing greenhouse gases, specific number by a specific date,

2118
03:24:30,200 --> 03:24:38,130
or a percentage by a specific date, and then that's the goal, and then the objectives

2119
03:24:39,210 --> 03:24:45,290
are lined up to very specifically meet that full sort of the tier one objectives

2120
03:24:45,290 --> 03:24:50,530
that we've come up with that are designed up to design to very specifically meet that full the

2121
03:24:50,530 --> 03:24:59,610
last event, the location, the website, all that those are just all supportive items those aren't really objectives to meet those are

2122
03:25:00,000 --> 03:25:25,020
What we do to kind of support our public communication outreach, but I would want to see our objectives. There is a specific in reference how in one amount of time, they're going to help us meet the goal of, you know, I'm using an example so I can explain myself, produce things 70% by the year 24. That's just an example that I'm using because I heard this.

2123
03:25:28,480 --> 03:25:43,280
So this is Boulder County here that I had pulled off, and I had actually put this in for you all, I'm trying to think where it is, I think it's this one.

2124
03:25:43,840 --> 03:25:52,480
And I really appreciate you using Boulder County, and that's something that we certainly kind of spot higher to, but we can never get to the level of Boulder County.

2125
03:25:52,480 --> 03:25:54,520
They have an entire department that works on this stuff.

2126
03:25:55,020 --> 03:25:58,700
I think, you know, using that is a kind of tune out.

2127
03:25:59,000 --> 03:26:01,160
Honestly, when I give you bipolar counties examples,

2128
03:26:01,360 --> 03:26:04,220
because that's not really achievable for me.

2129
03:26:04,520 --> 03:26:04,780
Right.

2130
03:26:05,060 --> 03:26:07,660
I was told to look at that more realistic examples.

2131
03:26:08,260 --> 03:26:08,520
Right.

2132
03:26:08,640 --> 03:26:09,960
I was told to look at Boulder County.

2133
03:26:10,160 --> 03:26:12,500
But what I'm saying is you can fill in the blank.

2134
03:26:13,420 --> 03:26:14,940
That's what I'm saying right there.

2135
03:26:15,420 --> 03:26:18,980
That's, and I've asked that in, I think, two of these pages

2136
03:26:18,980 --> 03:26:26,760
for the B.O.C.C. to come to an agreement on that and you can take out their numbers and put in your own numbers.

2137
03:26:27,720 --> 03:26:31,680
Right, so that's a statewide goal. So we could use that word goal.

2138
03:26:32,740 --> 03:26:37,680
Or we could, I mean we should probably start using the statewide goal, so that's the first one out there.

2139
03:26:38,000 --> 03:26:43,860
I'm getting route counties, guys and counties, pick and counties, some eight counties all at home,

2140
03:26:55,240 --> 03:27:13,760
I have those two. I have those. I presented those in the last one, what each county was going towards. So I think you all need. Let's start there. Let's start with the state. I think next week, I mean, because I have that information already from other meetings, what everyone else is doing.

2141
03:27:14,280 --> 03:27:21,080
Would that be reasonable and in the next week we're an egg nurse, so yeah, but we could

2142
03:27:21,080 --> 03:27:24,260
get the info out as soon as, yeah, we can put that together.

2143
03:27:24,320 --> 03:27:28,800
I think also, you know, we've been talking about this for a long time and I recognize the

2144
03:27:28,800 --> 03:27:35,160
frustration around just not making progress every time I talk about it, but this is big

2145
03:27:35,160 --> 03:27:38,360
and this is for the future and I think we need to take our time to do this right instead

2146
03:27:38,360 --> 03:27:42,160
of just trying to check the box that we've done something and put another plan out there

2147
03:27:42,160 --> 03:27:46,460
that it's not achievable, or that it doesn't have any, you know, federal targets on it.

2148
03:27:46,640 --> 03:27:48,620
So let's just take the time to do this right.

2149
03:27:48,900 --> 03:27:57,690
I mean, I would say that we wait, and so August has to start working on this, but yeah.

2150
03:27:57,890 --> 03:28:02,050
We just don't want to run into the same thing that we have today, where you don't have time

2151
03:28:02,490 --> 03:28:05,010
to review the materials before we discuss them.

2152
03:28:05,030 --> 03:28:10,550
So I think if we can get them out earlier, at least the basic info that we've talked about

2153
03:28:10,550 --> 03:28:10,910
today.

2154
03:28:10,910 --> 03:28:17,750
And then again, have a goal of having something adoptable by sometime in September, I think that's realistic.

2155
03:28:18,410 --> 03:28:20,930
Do you want to adopt the action items?

2156
03:28:21,690 --> 03:28:23,770
Or do you think you can get to this number?

2157
03:28:24,170 --> 03:28:27,750
Which honestly, I think will help us get to the action items.

2158
03:28:27,750 --> 03:28:28,050
I think you need the number.

2159
03:28:28,970 --> 03:28:29,170
Okay.

2160
03:28:29,530 --> 03:28:32,170
To support, because the actions are supported.

2161
03:28:33,590 --> 03:28:40,250
So the actions, yeah, we'll have to have, you know, a measurable target timeline, etc.

2162
03:28:50,450 --> 03:28:58,570
So, I think we're good on the mission and we look at the state goal and start with that

2163
03:28:59,250 --> 03:29:06,550
for the draft goal of ours together and then we'll declare on that.

2164
03:29:07,370 --> 03:29:07,910
Sounds good.

2165
03:29:07,910 --> 03:29:09,570
Okay, Mr. Wary, good with that.

2166
03:29:10,410 --> 03:29:11,590
Sure, okay.

2167
03:29:12,250 --> 03:29:14,990
Could I make one great comment, Mr. Holstrom?

2168
03:29:15,570 --> 03:29:16,090
Yes, you may.

2169
03:29:17,130 --> 03:29:17,710
Thank you.

2170
03:29:18,590 --> 03:29:22,990
So to any point, this document serves really two functions.

2171
03:29:23,310 --> 03:29:27,890
One is to guide us on a progress and allow us to see

2172
03:29:27,890 --> 03:29:30,470
where we're selling or pulling behind

2173
03:29:31,170 --> 03:29:35,330
as we move towards achieving a specific progress.

2174
03:29:35,330 --> 03:29:44,150
are a specific action. But it's also going to be really important for staff as we

2175
03:29:44,150 --> 03:29:51,150
develop our 2023 work plans and that's a later discussion that we'll have today regarding

2176
03:29:51,150 --> 03:29:59,430
the budget. If there are specific actions that we want them to take, this document is going

2177
03:29:59,430 --> 03:29:59,890
That's it now.

2178
03:30:00,240 --> 03:30:30,220
Public understand what the county is trying to do, but for internal staff to help them as they develop their work plan. So the other point is that this is, I imagine going to be a living document. This isn't going to be a one-time. This is going to be something that we'll revisit. I would imagine annually an update as technology changes as circumstances change. So I appreciate that we want to clarify

2179
03:30:30,220 --> 03:30:37,140
and simplify it for the public side on the other side of it, though, where Star has identified

2180
03:30:37,820 --> 03:30:42,480
these specific actions that each of the departments can take.

2181
03:30:42,640 --> 03:30:48,720
I think that part in not just for pressuring you, but if we want them to be budgeting

2182
03:30:48,720 --> 03:30:53,400
for things and considering that and how they're going to implement that in their next year

2183
03:30:53,400 --> 03:30:59,660
work plan, that's information we'll want to try and get to them by the beginning of September

2184
03:30:59,660 --> 03:31:07,820
the latest. So I think we can do that. Thank you. Great. Thank you. Start for this. This looks

2185
03:31:08,620 --> 03:31:14,760
incredible and I can see the immense amount of research and thought he put into it.

2186
03:31:16,200 --> 03:31:22,940
Great. With that, we'll move on to discussion of EV station readiness plan and feasibility study.

2187
03:31:22,940 --> 03:31:23,700
I'm

2188
03:31:32,470 --> 03:31:33,470
not sharing any more of it.

2189
03:31:55,290 --> 03:32:01,450
So, can we share where I attended a meeting with Ego Action

2190
03:32:01,450 --> 03:32:08,370
Partners, which we have here and can wield in Zander here who is an

2191
03:32:08,370 --> 03:32:13,790
ami and student and moving forward with an EV readiness plan.

2192
03:32:16,010 --> 03:32:23,450
We met last week to discuss a partnership between San Miguel County Ego Action Partners

2193
03:32:23,450 --> 03:32:29,870
and Stunnels Energy Board to develop a region-wide EV readiness plan for San Miguel County

2194
03:32:29,870 --> 03:32:32,170
and Eurea County region.

2195
03:32:32,810 --> 03:32:40,690
This is a regional plan that identifies regional climate action plan that was identified

2196
03:32:40,690 --> 03:32:45,450
in the regional climate action plan that I just went over in one of the

2197
03:32:45,450 --> 03:32:51,930
pages. It's something we've discussed before and I have also reviewed

2198
03:32:51,930 --> 03:33:00,470
other readiness plans. When Commissioner Waring and I met with a group we

2199
03:33:00,470 --> 03:33:06,130
discussed specific items in the last few meetings that we've discussed

2200
03:33:06,130 --> 03:33:10,550
over what a readiness plan looks like for the county and Commissioner

2201
03:33:10,550 --> 03:33:20,690
Cooper mentioned it earlier, just having really specific items in this plan, and I adjust

2202
03:33:20,690 --> 03:33:30,410
that we need a plan that's going to look at cost, help us budgets, and as we've mentioned

2203
03:33:30,410 --> 03:33:35,250
with a climate action plan before as well, not have a lot of fluff, but have something that's

2204
03:33:35,250 --> 03:33:44,630
use a book document and we also discussed just how important it is to look at regionally

2205
03:33:44,630 --> 03:33:53,350
because looking at EV stations, looking at it's hard, I mean we just got a call yesterday

2206
03:33:53,350 --> 03:33:58,210
from someone you know who would like to install one and so this is happening quickly there's

2207
03:33:58,210 --> 03:34:05,650
money out there right now and so people are taking advantage of it and there's probably

2208
03:34:05,650 --> 03:34:13,270
the entities looking at installing EVs into our county. We need to be in a group discussion

2209
03:34:13,270 --> 03:34:23,210
about this and not side road to understand where the gaps are and to understand if we need

2210
03:34:23,210 --> 03:34:27,650
to intervene and jump in. And so that's really the specific information that we're looking

2211
03:34:27,650 --> 03:34:27,990
for.

2212
03:34:30,290 --> 03:34:32,990
Did you have anything you wanted to add to that?

2213
03:34:36,110 --> 03:34:43,230
Yeah, there's a specific financial contribution that the county would be requested to put in

2214
03:34:43,230 --> 03:34:48,150
in order to progress off, and I'll ask him to refresh me of that number. I believe it was

2215
03:34:48,150 --> 03:34:48,710
$2,500.

2216
03:34:50,130 --> 03:34:59,390
but I support everything that you just said about the importance of a regional planning

2217
03:34:59,390 --> 03:34:59,710
group.

2218
03:35:00,000 --> 03:35:24,300
So that we aren't duplicating efforts and so that we are aware of what other entities and other private individuals are doing. And time is of the essence here exactly right start. There's money available now. And we want to be able to produce a plan that we can then start making happen and have places to plug in vehicles in the right places.

2219
03:35:27,600 --> 03:35:37,240
She and I presented this, not sure I think it was in February or March and she is no longer

2220
03:35:37,240 --> 03:35:46,840
going to be working with us on this project and as Commissioner, when I just mentioned

2221
03:35:46,840 --> 03:35:55,260
and my workload, and so therefore this readiness plan would really be spearheaded.

2222
03:35:55,580 --> 03:36:02,600
The grant writing, all the research would be conducted by equal action partners, and

2223
03:36:02,600 --> 03:36:12,960
Zander here, and the suggested funding scenario for this grant would be a third Colorado Energy

2224
03:36:12,960 --> 03:36:19,060
emergency office at the Doha and at the local funding match, which in turn for the county

2225
03:36:19,060 --> 03:36:20,640
would be $2,500.

2226
03:36:23,960 --> 03:36:31,220
And we would be asked to be the fiscal agent for the grant funding application and contract

2227
03:36:31,220 --> 03:36:39,860
with the go-action partners and as required, the party contractor to develop the plan.

2228
03:36:43,220 --> 03:36:43,300
Go ahead.

2229
03:36:43,300 --> 03:36:50,220
Okay, one question for Zander maybe, when do you foresee having, assuming this all happens,

2230
03:36:50,940 --> 03:36:54,040
when would you foresee being able to present a completed plan?

2231
03:36:55,220 --> 03:36:55,380
Yes.

2232
03:36:56,860 --> 03:36:57,540
Absolutely.

2233
03:36:57,960 --> 03:36:58,700
Good question.

2234
03:36:59,960 --> 03:37:08,480
So in the program that I've ended Western Colorado, I just completed the first year, so hopefully

2235
03:37:08,480 --> 03:37:09,740
within nine to twelve months.

2236
03:37:09,740 --> 03:37:13,440
That's kind of the ideal timeframe.

2237
03:37:17,250 --> 03:37:18,230
Thank you.

2238
03:37:18,890 --> 03:37:20,090
Kim, did you want to add to that?

2239
03:37:20,790 --> 03:37:23,130
I was just going to say that yeah, we just finished our first

2240
03:37:23,130 --> 03:37:27,050
plan with the MEM student and the project completion date

2241
03:37:27,050 --> 03:37:28,270
is at the end of April.

2242
03:37:29,330 --> 03:37:32,110
The grant funding timeline is a year,

2243
03:37:32,410 --> 03:37:36,450
like a fiscal year, with both DOLA and the CEO.

2244
03:37:37,210 --> 03:37:41,090
So, and after the end of June, that scenario

2245
03:37:41,090 --> 03:37:45,610
of how the funding is planned for from the Colorado Energy Office changes.

2246
03:37:45,950 --> 03:37:50,970
It changes into a specific timeline of a competitive grant cycle.

2247
03:37:51,530 --> 03:37:55,190
So we, versus right now, it's available on a first come, first serve basis.

2248
03:37:55,690 --> 03:38:00,750
So we are working to jump on this opportunity now so that Zander has an opportunity to finish

2249
03:38:00,750 --> 03:38:05,950
the project before it's done line, as well as we can take advantage of the funding that's

2250
03:38:05,950 --> 03:38:10,910
available right now and have a much more detailed, more expanded scope of project of a plan

2251
03:38:10,910 --> 03:38:12,770
than if that funding wasn't available.

2252
03:38:15,090 --> 03:38:16,430
Any other questions?

2253
03:38:17,670 --> 03:38:19,430
I support as well.

2254
03:38:19,690 --> 03:38:20,450
Go ahead, Commissioner Cooper.

2255
03:38:24,490 --> 03:38:31,190
I was just going to ask for a specific proposal in writing to know what is in this plan.

2256
03:38:31,190 --> 03:38:37,490
or you were suggesting that we have to contribute $2,500 in order to figure out what's in the plan.

2257
03:38:39,830 --> 03:38:46,650
So plan to plan? Or is this $2,500 for the actual plan? And if it is, I'd like to see a proposal for the plan.

2258
03:38:47,610 --> 03:38:55,050
Will it? Is this working? Can you hear Kim? Okay. Okay, try the other mic.

2259
03:38:57,600 --> 03:39:01,220
Is that better? Yeah. Okay.

2260
03:39:01,220 --> 03:39:06,780
Okay. So, I say, the standard will develop the actual, okay, so the standard?

2261
03:39:07,080 --> 03:39:08,380
No, I can't do it at all now.

2262
03:39:10,560 --> 03:39:11,140
Let's try this.

2263
03:39:15,550 --> 03:39:16,530
Is that better?

2264
03:39:17,970 --> 03:39:18,930
Hillary, is that better?

2265
03:39:19,030 --> 03:39:19,130
Yeah.

2266
03:39:19,630 --> 03:39:29,570
Okay. So, the grant application and the funding that we will be receiving goes toward actual development of the plan.

2267
03:39:29,570 --> 03:39:36,470
and that plan will include detailed action items, including an implementation scenario out of it.

2268
03:39:36,690 --> 03:39:41,370
So we'll meet what the county has requested so far in our staff meetings and we'll continue to work with staff

2269
03:39:42,370 --> 03:39:44,610
and commissioners as well, as needed.

2270
03:39:45,490 --> 03:39:46,990
Okay, could we see that in writing?

2271
03:39:47,430 --> 03:39:48,930
I just wanted to ask you a plan.

2272
03:39:49,210 --> 03:39:56,070
So we are at the moment developing the draft language

2273
03:39:56,070 --> 03:39:59,710
that would go into San Miguel counties.

2274
03:40:00,210 --> 03:40:30,130
Application for the funding, because, again, San Miguel County would be the fiscal agent for both the C.E.L. and Dola grants. So we're developing that language and we'll bring that back in front of you, the specific language of that application, which will include the scope of work and what will be in the plan. We'll come in the next week or two so that we can meet the deadline before the end of June. So the deadline for submission is the 30th or the first 30th. So our meeting next week is in

2275
03:40:30,130 --> 03:40:40,840
Agna, but as much as we can get before then to take a look at that, I mean, I'm for it.

2276
03:40:40,960 --> 03:40:48,020
I don't know that I want to need to see the complete plan before committing to 2,500 for

2277
03:40:48,020 --> 03:40:54,580
the grant request, the match, it's a match, so it's not a $2,500 right now, it's a $2,500

2278
03:40:55,560 --> 03:40:56,080
commitment.

2279
03:40:57,200 --> 03:40:57,480
Correct.

2280
03:40:57,480 --> 03:41:02,660
should the grant be received correct and I'm fine with moving ahead with that

2281
03:41:02,660 --> 03:41:12,770
I agree with the idea that we can commit 2500 I also like Hillary's desire

2282
03:41:12,770 --> 03:41:19,150
for seeing the scope of work on paper I believe we have a meeting at 29th yes we

2283
03:41:19,150 --> 03:41:20,790
do so if

2284
03:41:22,810 --> 03:41:30,030
it is a work session we could make it special if we had to however

2285
03:41:30,030 --> 03:41:40,290
However, if you could get us that written information within a week, that would give us a chance

2286
03:41:40,290 --> 03:41:41,110
to read it.

2287
03:41:41,190 --> 03:41:45,570
And if there were any questions or red flags, at least we'd have a chance to go back

2288
03:41:45,570 --> 03:41:47,350
and forth and talk about that.

2289
03:41:48,130 --> 03:41:54,670
That does beg the question of whether we vote today without that paper in front of us or

2290
03:41:54,670 --> 03:41:56,090
how we get to the question.

2291
03:41:56,090 --> 03:42:00,630
So next week if we had materials that we can take a look at, even though we're an

2292
03:42:00,630 --> 03:42:07,350
ignore we could still say yes, if or no to the to being a fiscal agent and to

2293
03:42:07,350 --> 03:42:12,650
the $2,500. That makes sense to me. I'd like to beat this deadline and not be up

2294
03:42:12,650 --> 03:42:16,930
against it with 24 hour turnaround. Commissioner Cooper, you think that's on that?

2295
03:42:18,110 --> 03:42:19,110
Yeah, I'm fine with that.

2296
03:42:19,370 --> 03:42:21,830
I just want to, you know, you know, specifically

2297
03:42:21,830 --> 03:42:22,810
from the client.

2298
03:42:23,650 --> 03:42:24,610
But it's not something that I said.

2299
03:42:24,770 --> 03:42:25,630
You really should feel it.

2300
03:42:26,190 --> 03:42:27,130
Wait, we know what?

2301
03:42:27,210 --> 03:42:27,490
Fluff.

2302
03:42:28,790 --> 03:42:28,910
No.

2303
03:42:29,090 --> 03:42:31,050
And we definitely appreciate and understand that

2304
03:42:31,050 --> 03:42:32,970
and just wanted to come in front of you first

2305
03:42:32,970 --> 03:42:35,390
to kind of get the continued approval to move forward.

2306
03:42:36,130 --> 03:42:38,010
I think you're getting a willingness to move forward

2307
03:42:38,010 --> 03:42:39,330
at a very rapid pace.

2308
03:42:39,610 --> 03:42:39,850
Perfect.

2309
03:42:40,670 --> 03:42:42,750
Our submission deadline for the packet

2310
03:42:42,750 --> 03:42:46,290
for the Agnir meeting is Monday mid-day

2311
03:42:46,290 --> 03:42:47,210
of next week.

2312
03:42:57,520 --> 03:43:05,180
I would just like to add to that, what they're providing is information

2313
03:43:05,480 --> 03:43:19,980
that we've given them. That can show wearing and I and the in shamans, the research that

2314
03:43:19,980 --> 03:43:33,600
information based off of, this is what tie-rights done at this point and looking at, what they're providing us is the feedback and information we've given them essentially.

2315
03:43:35,700 --> 03:43:38,580
So, just so everyone was aware of that.

2316
03:43:44,060 --> 03:43:50,980
If I can just add, it's exciting because this is one of the big items in the Climate Action Plan for the region to move forward on.

2317
03:43:50,980 --> 03:43:55,520
And so while we're still on the stage of doing outreach across the region and presenting

2318
03:43:55,520 --> 03:43:59,900
to all the regional governments on that climate action plan to then get input to finalize

2319
03:43:59,900 --> 03:44:00,100
it.

2320
03:44:00,600 --> 03:44:04,400
But also excited to be moving forward with actions like this and making things happen.

2321
03:44:04,900 --> 03:44:05,740
So, great.

2322
03:44:06,360 --> 03:44:06,920
Thank you.

2323
03:44:06,940 --> 03:44:13,040
I want to add that it's great and fortunate that Zander has appeared and has the capability

2324
03:44:13,040 --> 03:44:17,580
of the interest and is with us to push this project forward.

2325
03:44:17,740 --> 03:44:18,080
Thank you.

2326
03:44:18,320 --> 03:44:19,440
And look forward to working with you.

2327
03:44:19,440 --> 03:44:26,820
I'm going to be more excited. I also have all the resources from Western Colorado University as well so just to add that.

2328
03:44:28,220 --> 03:44:29,080
If you can hear me.

2329
03:44:31,500 --> 03:44:31,960
Okay.

2330
03:44:33,220 --> 03:44:35,960
Do we need anything else from this for today?

2331
03:44:36,620 --> 03:44:37,740
I think we're good.

2332
03:44:39,420 --> 03:44:40,320
Great. Thanks, folks.

2333
03:44:40,600 --> 03:44:40,980
Thank you.

2334
03:44:42,160 --> 03:44:43,560
Starting with anything else for us today?

2335
03:44:44,240 --> 03:44:45,160
That's all I have to say.

2336
03:44:45,480 --> 03:44:45,860
Okay.

2337
03:44:46,200 --> 03:44:46,780
Thanks, Star.

2338
03:44:46,780 --> 03:44:49,600
We have a very good to keep rolling.

2339
03:44:51,040 --> 03:44:51,960
Roll on.

2340
03:44:53,260 --> 03:44:57,020
Mike, do you want to address the two from this morning before?

2341
03:44:58,140 --> 03:44:59,660
It's really a few comments.

2342
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:29,760
Let's go. So, yes, don't lose track of those. So, the first one was an update on a discussion of the budget process for 2023. Yes, thank you. So, speaking with the commissioners, I've gained some additional clarity about what items you may be interested in changing or addressing for the next year budget. I thought I would just do a super brief recap of our existing process.

2343
03:45:29,760 --> 03:45:37,060
us and just to remind you and the public what that process is and then I have a suggestion

2344
03:45:37,600 --> 03:45:41,560
from the request or comments that I heard from the board.

2345
03:45:43,020 --> 03:45:51,000
So this past year as we all remember we transitioned to a new budgeting software in finance and

2346
03:45:51,000 --> 03:45:55,600
And that created some unexpected delays in getting that

2347
03:45:56,220 --> 03:46:00,940
back-to-work communication between the board and administration.

2348
03:46:01,580 --> 03:46:05,320
But throughout the year, once we have a budget passed,

2349
03:46:05,840 --> 03:46:09,800
we monitor those budgets between finance, myself,

2350
03:46:10,180 --> 03:46:13,280
and then the individual department heads and intellectuals.

2351
03:46:13,620 --> 03:46:18,180
When we get to a monthly basis, when we get to the half-year point,

2352
03:46:18,180 --> 03:46:27,400
which June is closed out about mid-July we do in word depth review and then

2353
03:46:27,400 --> 03:46:32,340
in the past up to another survey an initial budget survey two department

2354
03:46:32,340 --> 03:46:38,240
heads and elected officials and we focused starting in 2020 on some

2355
03:46:38,240 --> 03:46:46,420
four main areas, or three main areas of customer feedback, employee development and

2356
03:46:46,420 --> 03:46:54,180
efficiencies and technologies that could make us more efficient and

2357
03:46:54,180 --> 03:47:00,260
wise with our tax dollars. So that July survey that initially goes out

2358
03:47:00,260 --> 03:47:06,480
talks about what processes or efficiencies those departments and offices

2359
03:47:06,480 --> 03:47:12,420
have tried this past year as well as those that they have come to play for the future.

2360
03:47:12,420 --> 03:47:17,580
What policies they have changed or procedures they have changed.

2361
03:47:18,520 --> 03:47:24,760
The level of teamwork both in their own office or department and with other county offices

2362
03:47:24,760 --> 03:47:25,420
and departments.

2363
03:47:26,140 --> 03:47:33,720
The areas that they perceive that they could save funds in or ideas that they have to increase

2364
03:47:33,720 --> 03:47:34,100
revenue.

2365
03:47:34,880 --> 03:47:40,840
What professional development they are doing currently and what they might be proposing

2366
03:47:40,840 --> 03:47:47,860
for the next year. Any changes in their service delivery, any grants that they are going

2367
03:47:47,860 --> 03:47:52,960
to be going for, or grants that they may have currently that will need to be extended

2368
03:47:53,600 --> 03:48:00,740
and re-budgeted for the coming year. Their capital needs, their software needs, their staffing

2369
03:48:00,740 --> 03:48:06,760
changes, and any upcoming requirements, as well as their non-traditional benefits. This

2370
03:48:06,760 --> 03:48:14,140
This is more of a budget focused survey, although there is every year I do an employee satisfaction

2371
03:48:14,140 --> 03:48:20,380
survey, which I don't want the two to be confused because they're very different things, different

2372
03:48:20,380 --> 03:48:21,900
surveys with different purposes.

2373
03:48:23,800 --> 03:48:30,980
Around the end of August, we have received our preliminary evaluation from the assessor,

2374
03:48:30,980 --> 03:48:35,640
which helps us understand what our property tax revenue which is our greatest

2375
03:48:35,640 --> 03:48:41,600
source of revenue might look like for the coming year. This past year I sent out

2376
03:48:41,600 --> 03:48:46,740
after to reconvert on that the two year goals that the commissioners set in

2377
03:48:46,740 --> 03:48:52,860
2021 were still going to be holding true and we then met about those. We had

2378
03:48:52,860 --> 03:48:58,720
confirmation on those goals. I sent them up to each department and office and

2379
03:48:58,720 --> 03:49:04,380
And then ask them how they could incorporate pieces of those in their upcoming year work

2380
03:49:04,380 --> 03:49:04,840
plans.

2381
03:49:05,600 --> 03:49:12,320
And this is the area where I think we may want to put a pain in this part of the discussion

2382
03:49:12,320 --> 03:49:14,060
because this is where I'm going to come back to.

2383
03:49:14,800 --> 03:49:22,800
Then in September, finance and myself, meet with all departments and offices, we review

2384
03:49:22,800 --> 03:49:31,500
their surveys, their work plans, as well as any requests they have. We then look at their historic

2385
03:49:31,500 --> 03:49:38,260
spending averages as well as what they're proposing in their work plans, their staffing, and after

2386
03:49:38,260 --> 03:49:44,780
we have some basis of how much revenue we're going to have, we suggest budgetary amounts. That's

2387
03:49:44,780 --> 03:49:51,740
something that has changed since 2019, where the departments and offices were sent their last year

2388
03:49:51,740 --> 03:49:56,700
budget and ask to fill in how much they would like or how much they think they'll

2389
03:49:56,700 --> 03:49:59,180
I mean, we did that to try and reduce.

2390
03:50:00,300 --> 03:50:30,280
Essentially, what I would consider fluff in some parts of the budget, although the county and the commissioners have budgetary control over departments and offices, where that control becomes really difficult is when there might be a large amount budgeted in one area or one line item within a budget. That then is transferred by that elected official into another board department head into another area of their budget. And essentially, you can control the large amount

2391
03:50:30,280 --> 03:50:36,200
positive that individual line line of control is something that concerns me and something

2392
03:50:36,200 --> 03:50:40,780
where I saw funds that have been budgeted in one area where actually they spent in

2393
03:50:40,780 --> 03:50:47,140
a different area. To address that, that is why Remonet and I look at their historic spending

2394
03:50:47,140 --> 03:50:52,400
and their upcoming needs and then recommend a budget amount for them.

2395
03:50:54,160 --> 03:51:03,980
We then, oh, along with that in September, we're forecasting their remaining year expenses

2396
03:51:03,980 --> 03:51:09,820
and revenues, and then we're getting into forecasting what the ending fund balance

2397
03:51:09,820 --> 03:51:17,720
is to ensure that we're going to have an adequate fund balance if we were to honor the new

2398
03:51:17,720 --> 03:51:18,980
request for the coming year.

2399
03:51:19,960 --> 03:51:23,520
We then have an additional meeting session with us,

2400
03:51:23,680 --> 03:51:27,700
Department heads and elected officials after they've received what we're

2401
03:51:27,700 --> 03:51:31,920
suggesting for their budget, where they can then discuss that with us

2402
03:51:31,920 --> 03:51:37,340
and we can make modifications based off of additional information that they

2403
03:51:37,340 --> 03:51:42,300
present to us. All that goes into the creation of the October 15th steps,

2404
03:51:42,300 --> 03:51:45,000
that's totally required preliminary budget

2405
03:51:45,810 --> 03:51:47,560
into the commissioners for review.

2406
03:51:48,800 --> 03:51:50,120
Tip lay following that meeting,

2407
03:51:50,160 --> 03:51:55,160
we do a deeper dive into what next year programs, projects

2408
03:51:56,390 --> 03:51:58,480
are going to happen with the board.

2409
03:51:59,730 --> 03:52:02,220
And then after that meeting,

2410
03:52:02,620 --> 03:52:08,360
we continue to update the year and remaining year and revenues

2411
03:52:08,360 --> 03:52:09,160
and expenses.

2412
03:52:09,160 --> 03:52:18,340
this last year sales tax ended up increasing much higher than we had expected at the end of the year which allowed us to make some last minute adjustments.

2413
03:52:19,820 --> 03:52:25,540
We have also then, at the beginning of December, received our final valuation from the county assessor.

2414
03:52:25,980 --> 03:52:32,360
Luckily, we have not seen a dramatic change between the preliminary and the final, although that is possible.

2415
03:52:33,320 --> 03:52:46,960
and we revise again. Following that we create the budget message and then he goes to the board for final adoption by the December 15 steps to early steps to re-getting.

2416
03:52:47,860 --> 03:52:57,280
What I heard from the board when we discussed budgets previously is a greater desire to interact with the department heads and elected officials

2417
03:52:59,620 --> 03:53:01,860
before during the creation of the budget.

2418
03:53:02,520 --> 03:53:05,260
And I wanted to just verify that that is the case.

2419
03:53:05,920 --> 03:53:08,720
And if that is the case, then I wonder if it makes sense.

2420
03:53:09,340 --> 03:53:13,960
After I have sent out the survey of how their work plans

2421
03:53:13,960 --> 03:53:17,660
are going to accomplish their not only their fetch toward duties

2422
03:53:18,520 --> 03:53:21,480
because, as we all know, when Ridge are elected offices

2423
03:53:21,480 --> 03:53:24,700
and several others have very clear fetch toward guidance

2424
03:53:24,700 --> 03:53:27,540
of what they have to deliver to the citizens.

2425
03:53:28,380 --> 03:53:30,980
But then if that might be the opportunity

2426
03:53:31,660 --> 03:53:34,000
when they're coming to talk about

2427
03:53:34,000 --> 03:53:36,860
how they're going to incorporate the commissioners

2428
03:53:36,860 --> 03:53:39,680
and the county's goals into their upcoming year work plans

2429
03:53:40,040 --> 03:53:43,800
to have a work session with those department heads

2430
03:53:43,800 --> 03:53:45,940
and elected officials to understand

2431
03:53:45,940 --> 03:53:48,820
how they're going to incorporate those goals moving forward.

2432
03:53:49,640 --> 03:53:51,620
So one in there, embedded in there,

2433
03:53:51,620 --> 03:54:02,060
as I sometimes do, my apologies, is a question of the type of interaction that you would like to have with the department heads and elected officials.

2434
03:54:02,840 --> 03:54:09,900
And if so, it will make sense to look at that August and early September timeline to have those meetings.

2435
03:54:11,200 --> 03:54:13,180
Okay, so input?

2436
03:54:17,280 --> 03:54:19,300
Yes, I think that would be useful to have those meetings.

2437
03:54:19,980 --> 03:54:20,780
Commissioner Cooper?

2438
03:54:20,780 --> 03:54:21,860
Yes

2439
03:54:24,480 --> 03:54:33,380
I feel useful to have those meetings and I have two questions one is what's the status of a class and

2440
03:54:33,380 --> 03:54:43,060
how I'm studying? Class and study is moving forward on its original timeline with our final

2441
03:54:43,060 --> 03:54:45,100
deliverable, expected in September.

2442
03:54:48,700 --> 03:54:52,860
Yes, I'm a little bit more there because we do expect

2443
03:54:52,860 --> 03:54:56,240
after seeing what happened to tell your right amount villages come study

2444
03:54:56,750 --> 03:54:59,700
last year that there's likely to be an increased

2445
03:54:59,700 --> 03:54:59,900
Bye.

2446
03:55:00,000 --> 03:55:27,760
Thank you very much, Terry. Impact to the county if we want to take those recommendations. And we may end up recommending a phase approached where we look at those that are the most out of whack compared to our comparable communities that were benchmarking against. And then implement remaining ones in future years. There's no requirement that we have to implement everything all at once.

2447
03:55:27,760 --> 03:55:30,480
But we do expect that it is going to result as it did.

2448
03:55:30,680 --> 03:55:36,340
We're talking about billage with an increase of employee salaries and overall wage costs.

2449
03:55:37,920 --> 03:55:45,160
Okay, so I'm just a little bit curious on the timing that I have because as much as I would like to do.

2450
03:55:46,540 --> 03:55:56,340
I agree with the approach to just kind of starting our report session, which apparently has been elected officials from the start point of the B.S.C.

2451
03:55:56,340 --> 03:56:00,260
to see those, I, again, think your picture.

2452
03:56:00,780 --> 03:56:02,800
What is our memory forecast for next year?

2453
03:56:03,420 --> 03:56:07,100
What is the class and hop study you're going to produce for us?

2454
03:56:08,180 --> 03:56:12,840
Because I would like to hear from the front heads

2455
03:56:12,840 --> 03:56:14,340
and the length of the visuals, not

2456
03:56:14,340 --> 03:56:16,440
what their hands on in terms of digital funding

2457
03:56:16,440 --> 03:56:17,580
for their departments.

2458
03:56:19,040 --> 03:56:20,780
So because I guess it doesn't have me

2459
03:56:20,780 --> 03:56:25,460
until September that timing is a little bit tricky.

2460
03:56:27,200 --> 03:56:30,540
But we will have the revenue forecast before that.

2461
03:56:32,340 --> 03:56:35,900
We'll have revenue forecast by the end of August.

2462
03:56:37,120 --> 03:56:40,620
Shortly thereafter, once we receive our preliminary evaluation.

2463
03:56:43,270 --> 03:56:46,890
So we may not have that either if we plan those work sessions in August.

2464
03:56:48,170 --> 03:56:51,030
I think if we were meeting in August, the question would be,

2465
03:56:51,510 --> 03:56:55,290
how are you incorporating these goals into your next year work planning?

2466
03:56:55,290 --> 03:57:01,330
work so then here's how much money we can give you. They can make those requests and

2467
03:57:01,330 --> 03:57:07,770
then if this were, you know, if we're looking at August 24th work session and then our

2468
03:57:07,770 --> 03:57:15,570
first work session in September, it would put us close to, we could have those, if you

2469
03:57:15,570 --> 03:57:21,230
want me to incorporate this program to address this goal, I would need X amount. We could have

2470
03:57:21,230 --> 03:57:27,350
that conversation and then we'll know, you know, a week or two later, how much of we can

2471
03:57:27,350 --> 03:57:33,230
imagine them and say, okay, well, we can honor that one or actually we'll have to only honor

2472
03:57:33,230 --> 03:57:38,830
partial, so we're just knowing that you can't implement that program or that project fully.

2473
03:57:39,850 --> 03:57:45,370
Yeah, and again, I'm not looking at micro-manage. What your role is as county manager, what I'm,

2474
03:57:45,370 --> 03:57:50,570
What I mean is kind of that bigger picture of room and forecast and I think the classic

2475
03:57:50,570 --> 03:57:55,850
concept is going to be a big part of our monetary implementations.

2476
03:57:57,150 --> 03:58:03,850
I just need the bigger picture, not to specifically state the advance for each department but

2477
03:58:03,850 --> 03:58:07,910
just to help my brain listen to the information provided.

2478
03:58:10,050 --> 03:58:15,870
Just like I made an actual client actually target in order to consider all the details of

2479
03:58:15,870 --> 03:58:16,350
that point.

2480
03:58:17,010 --> 03:58:21,070
I just need the bigger picture in order to consider the information that would be presented

2481
03:58:21,070 --> 03:58:23,770
in terms of trying to get to BSUC goals.

2482
03:58:24,210 --> 03:58:26,370
And I would like to get beyond that too.

2483
03:58:26,550 --> 03:58:30,730
I mean, I would like not only be as successful as but whatever the goals of the departments

2484
03:58:30,730 --> 03:58:35,430
and elected officials because I think that could help inform our goals.

2485
03:58:35,430 --> 03:58:37,810
And that's what work session is.

2486
03:58:38,010 --> 03:58:43,030
It's about import, not just sort of dictated from the top down,

2487
03:58:43,310 --> 03:58:46,610
but just to get a chance to really talk to other officials

2488
03:58:46,610 --> 03:58:51,030
about the carbon dioxide and the liquid officials

2489
03:58:51,030 --> 03:58:53,270
about where they see their department going,

2490
03:58:53,430 --> 03:58:56,230
because they have, and again, not to get into the detail,

2491
03:58:56,550 --> 03:58:58,650
we very clear with all the carbon dioxide and all

2492
03:58:58,650 --> 03:59:01,650
liquid officials, we're not trying to identify,

2493
03:59:02,030 --> 03:59:03,610
and we should give them the rest of the work,

2494
03:59:03,610 --> 03:59:06,410
and not trying to get into the detail of their budget.

2495
03:59:06,810 --> 03:59:09,310
I'm just thinking overall sort of the direction

2496
03:59:09,310 --> 03:59:12,250
of that department and how it can help contribute

2497
03:59:12,250 --> 03:59:14,870
to the whole of the county, which is what the board manages.

2498
03:59:16,350 --> 03:59:18,550
So yes, we've received those already.

2499
03:59:18,910 --> 03:59:20,730
That's a part of what I get from them.

2500
03:59:20,890 --> 03:59:22,270
With their next-year work plans,

2501
03:59:22,270 --> 03:59:24,450
it's not just how they're gonna implement

2502
03:59:24,450 --> 03:59:26,310
the commissioners or the county's goals,

2503
03:59:26,450 --> 03:59:29,110
but what goals do they have for their own department?

2504
03:59:29,330 --> 03:59:31,390
So I think we could easily have that conversation.

2505
03:59:31,390 --> 03:59:37,030
And if you want to have an idea of what our revenue is going to be, it might make sense

2506
03:59:37,030 --> 03:59:43,370
then to wait until our September 14th and 28th work sessions to have those meetings with

2507
03:59:43,370 --> 03:59:44,190
the departments.

2508
03:59:44,770 --> 03:59:46,490
And that was my question to Commissioner Cooper.

2509
03:59:46,770 --> 03:59:52,670
Do you want to postpone and have the information before we have the general discussion with

2510
03:59:52,670 --> 03:59:54,610
department heads and electeds?

2511
03:59:55,870 --> 03:59:59,970
I mean, maybe that doesn't make more sense and it gives time less sort of...

2512
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:28,720
And you, and Ramona, to get into the budget process a little bit so they have actually thought through this when they present to us. So you're not having to have them come back to us because they don't have the time to really think through their budgets. Mr. Larry. I agree. I think September is a better, more sensible time. Okay. I'm fine with that as well. And I think Mike, if you could give them all a heads up about the conversation, that would be helpful.

2513
04:00:28,720 --> 04:00:38,200
so they're not worrying or wondering what we want to talk about that we're really specific and what we'd like to hear from and then discuss.

2514
04:00:40,560 --> 04:00:42,140
Absolutely, that sounds good.

2515
04:00:42,800 --> 04:00:52,580
And then I'm just curious if there are any departments or offices that you don't aren't feeling the need to meet with.

2516
04:00:52,760 --> 04:00:59,320
I know one, for instance, when I meet with Emil, his duties are so spectacularly driven.

2517
04:00:59,320 --> 04:01:03,220
that when we get into the next year work plan,

2518
04:01:03,360 --> 04:01:05,500
it's usually doing more of the same.

2519
04:01:06,380 --> 04:01:09,540
I didn't know if you wanted to try and meet with everyone

2520
04:01:09,540 --> 04:01:13,680
because that could make person full days,

2521
04:01:13,840 --> 04:01:15,580
but I also know that some departments

2522
04:01:16,140 --> 04:01:21,740
are far more impactful to the county's goals than others.

2523
04:01:22,000 --> 04:01:26,740
I wonder if we could hit some of those less involved

2524
04:01:26,740 --> 04:01:32,080
discussions in August because I would like to actually hear from folks but again

2525
04:01:32,080 --> 04:01:37,600
like you say I don't want to overburden us in September but and I just think

2526
04:01:37,600 --> 04:01:42,260
it's nice for a rude apartment to you know to have that conversation at some

2527
04:01:42,260 --> 04:01:46,680
point in the year and it makes sense so maybe we could add on that.

2528
04:01:47,200 --> 04:01:51,220
I'm happy to suggest to schedule them for each of those three work section

2529
04:01:51,220 --> 04:01:53,620
days. Okay. That makes sense to me.

2530
04:01:56,280 --> 04:02:00,640
Thank you.

2531
04:02:02,860 --> 04:02:05,680
Are we ready to move on? I think any other

2532
04:02:05,680 --> 04:02:15,780
questions on that? I think we're ready to do the EGNOR MOU. Excellent. So I would like to

2533
04:02:15,780 --> 04:02:17,320
share my screen.

2534
04:02:22,500 --> 04:02:27,920
So before you you have a memorandum of understanding between the

2535
04:02:27,920 --> 04:02:35,360
county and Monosimbo water company that is for the operation and maintenance of

2536
04:02:35,360 --> 04:02:42,600
the Agna water dark. They have come back to us after several back and forth

2537
04:02:42,600 --> 04:02:48,460
negotiations they're willing to honor the $7 per thousand gallon rate for

2538
04:02:48,460 --> 04:02:53,740
same-scale county residents, they're willing to do all the new customer

2539
04:02:53,740 --> 04:03:00,900
signups, the financial administration and billing, any scheduled as well as

2540
04:03:00,900 --> 04:03:07,360
emergency maintenance, and then the rate for non-counting residents will be

2541
04:03:07,360 --> 04:03:14,060
$10 per 1,000 gallons so that we're not undercutting the water doc that's in

2542
04:03:14,060 --> 04:03:20,700
town of Del Creek. I did not want to have a situation where we were stealing away their

2543
04:03:20,700 --> 04:03:25,460
customer service ours will be at the same rate as theirs for county residents.

2544
04:03:28,000 --> 04:03:36,320
Ramona is just as a side note is doing a great job with these two billing cycles to try and

2545
04:03:37,070 --> 04:03:42,920
not only have notices been sent to the users posted on the dock but they're receiving

2546
04:03:42,920 --> 04:03:46,280
in their bills, the reminder, and how to sign up with

2547
04:03:46,280 --> 04:03:49,860
monotony of the water, continue to water that service.

2548
04:03:53,110 --> 04:04:00,030
They are going to provide us with a list of all the current,

2549
04:04:00,270 --> 04:04:02,630
we are going to provide them with a list of all current users.

2550
04:04:02,890 --> 04:04:08,370
Actually, I don't think I need to go through these portions as much

2551
04:04:08,370 --> 04:04:12,350
as highlight every six months they're going to provide us with

2552
04:04:12,350 --> 04:04:16,530
the detailed summary of costs and revenues specific to the dock.

2553
04:04:18,160 --> 04:04:23,410
They wanted to make sure that this would not end up in a proposition where they were

2554
04:04:23,410 --> 04:04:24,190
losing funds.

2555
04:04:24,610 --> 04:04:31,710
So if after six months there is expenses and excess of revenue, we will provide payment

2556
04:04:31,710 --> 04:04:35,830
to them just so that they get to a great even point.

2557
04:04:36,310 --> 04:04:45,370
The term of this MOU is for a year and a half, essentially, because a little bit less than

2558
04:04:45,370 --> 04:04:48,250
a year and a half, actually, because it's from the effective days.

2559
04:04:48,490 --> 04:04:54,650
So if this is authorized to be signed today, it will go for a year and a half, at which

2560
04:04:54,650 --> 04:04:59,390
time we would look at how the system is operating if they're generating.

2561
04:05:00,050 --> 04:05:28,870
Access revenue originally, I had asked them to set that access revenue aside and then remit a portion that back to us, keep portioned in a separate standalone fund. They were willing to do that, but they were willing to say. Let's try for this almost a year and a half. And then, if they're continuing to have access revenue, we could look at reducing the water rate.

2562
04:05:28,870 --> 04:05:33,790
For simple go county users, or we could read and go shape this entire agreement

2563
04:05:35,320 --> 04:05:41,300
That's the biggest change. It is right now this MOU is between

2564
04:05:43,200 --> 04:05:48,040
The manager Steve Bowman of Mono's in the water company to myself and

2565
04:05:49,620 --> 04:05:51,760
So I'm bringing this to you today

2566
04:05:52,480 --> 04:05:55,740
It has been reviewed by Amy as well as Dennis

2567
04:05:55,740 --> 04:05:58,500
their attorney and

2568
04:06:01,540 --> 04:06:09,520
And they actually signed it. I just forwarded all of you with the assigned copy. They discussed that at their meeting. I think last night. So I'm not as

2569
04:06:09,520 --> 04:06:13,260
you will water company at least is in agreement with this. Okay questions from Mike.

2570
04:06:15,600 --> 04:06:17,840
If you have any, I can't see you. So go ahead.

2571
04:06:17,840 --> 04:06:18,720
for you to design.

2572
04:06:20,360 --> 04:06:20,900
Okay.

2573
04:06:21,620 --> 04:06:22,020
Okay.

2574
04:06:22,760 --> 04:06:24,360
And then we're going to one of those possibilities.

2575
04:06:24,520 --> 04:06:25,200
The bonds in the water.

2576
04:06:25,360 --> 04:06:27,380
How does the news sign up for service?

2577
04:06:32,310 --> 04:06:34,390
Is everybody considered new?

2578
04:06:34,690 --> 04:06:40,690
Can we streamline this process by everybody including the current users time to sign up on their

2579
04:06:40,690 --> 04:06:41,530
bonds in the county?

2580
04:06:41,910 --> 04:06:43,690
Or do we...

2581
04:06:43,690 --> 04:06:48,070
Everybody, including the new users, will sign up for a new account?

2582
04:06:48,070 --> 04:06:51,470
Is everybody including existing users will sign up for a new account?

2583
04:06:52,150 --> 04:06:52,750
Thanks.

2584
04:06:53,370 --> 04:06:56,810
In remote minutes here, if we don't have any questions, I can't answer.

2585
04:06:57,030 --> 04:06:58,150
She can probably.

2586
04:07:01,320 --> 04:07:02,640
I think the rest of the mix has.

2587
04:07:04,040 --> 04:07:04,200
Okay.

2588
04:07:04,640 --> 04:07:04,740
Okay.

2589
04:07:04,740 --> 04:07:07,280
We have exchanges to account for each.

2590
04:07:07,680 --> 04:07:12,880
So we know that the doc was successfully installed and it is working according to plan.

2591
04:07:13,700 --> 04:07:20,220
There were some users that expressed their difficulty with using technology or lack of the Internet.

2592
04:07:20,220 --> 04:07:26,220
at their home. This system does, again, allow the cellular component to it.

2593
04:07:26,320 --> 04:07:31,360
So folks could pay for water via their cell phone if they have an account at the site.

2594
04:07:31,880 --> 04:07:36,080
We did install the cell booster, which it and was tested by IT.

2595
04:07:36,420 --> 04:07:37,960
So the car is working as well.

2596
04:07:40,280 --> 04:07:44,380
But yeah, I'm pretty excited that, you know,

2597
04:07:44,380 --> 04:07:50,560
We're out in Ignore, almost three years ago, two years ago.

2598
04:07:51,100 --> 04:07:56,640
I lighted as their biggest concern for the future of their community.

2599
04:07:58,600 --> 04:08:00,320
So before I start, I'm not.

2600
04:08:01,180 --> 04:08:02,740
No, this is great.

2601
04:08:03,620 --> 04:08:05,000
Any other questions?

2602
04:08:05,320 --> 04:08:06,840
If not, we'll take a motion.

2603
04:08:07,280 --> 04:08:07,440
Lance.

2604
04:08:08,340 --> 04:08:12,260
I moved to authorize the manager to send a memorandum

2605
04:08:12,260 --> 04:08:17,460
I'm understanding with Monizuma water to manage and repair as needed, the Agnara water

2606
04:08:17,460 --> 04:08:17,900
dock.

2607
04:08:19,100 --> 04:08:20,040
Sorry again.

2608
04:08:20,640 --> 04:08:21,700
Any further discussion?

2609
04:08:22,520 --> 04:08:22,940
Seeing none.

2610
04:08:23,080 --> 04:08:23,440
How do you vote?

2611
04:08:24,920 --> 04:08:25,080
Hi.

2612
04:08:25,440 --> 04:08:25,600
Hi.

2613
04:08:25,920 --> 04:08:26,120
Hi.

2614
04:08:26,620 --> 04:08:28,440
Thank you, and thank you, and thank you.

2615
04:08:31,820 --> 04:08:32,380
Okay.

2616
04:08:32,820 --> 04:08:43,160
So I believe we are now on to administrative matters 12 a consideration of Resolution 2022

2617
04:08:43,160 --> 04:08:49,420
22-28, authorizing the acquisition of certain real property, go ahead, Mike.

2618
04:08:52,260 --> 04:08:53,920
I'm going to share my screen again.

2619
04:08:58,670 --> 04:08:58,850
Okay.

2620
04:08:59,510 --> 04:09:10,070
Resolution 2022-28 would authorize the chair or vice chair to sign the closing documents

2621
04:09:10,830 --> 04:09:13,290
for the acquisition of the Diamond Ridge parcel.

2622
04:09:13,290 --> 04:09:42,170
It also would ratify the execution of the contract, which I signed on January 14th of this year, and that's essentially, if that's what this is, the town of Telluride, I understand, authorized their mayor to sign this similar document yesterday.

2623
04:09:43,890 --> 04:09:45,370
Questions for Mike?

2624
04:09:50,970 --> 04:09:52,130
Go ahead, Commissioner Cooper.

2625
04:09:53,490 --> 04:09:56,270
And that contract was...

2626
04:10:00,820 --> 04:10:11,080
I mentioned the contracting of service. With the contract. With jack pictures of forgetting

2627
04:10:13,280 --> 04:10:13,900
his business

2628
04:10:13,900 --> 04:10:22,580
thing right now, but that was the contract that the board was briefed on.

2629
04:10:24,060 --> 04:10:27,000
Sorry, I just put a record.

2630
04:10:27,280 --> 04:10:37,680
So it would be contracted in January 14th to operate that position of subject property

2631
04:10:38,540 --> 04:10:40,560
based on all the conditions that are in the contract.

2632
04:10:41,240 --> 04:10:41,580
Correct.

2633
04:10:42,140 --> 04:10:42,360
Perfect.

2634
04:10:42,600 --> 04:10:42,880
Thank you.

2635
04:10:43,440 --> 04:10:43,700
Sure.

2636
04:10:48,270 --> 04:10:50,810
We have, sorry, I'm trying to see here.

2637
04:10:51,810 --> 04:10:52,730
We have two.

2638
04:10:53,210 --> 04:10:54,790
We have Morgan Smith has hand that.

2639
04:11:02,120 --> 04:11:02,420
Hold on.

2640
04:11:02,420 --> 04:11:04,140
Go ahead, yes, we can hear you now.

2641
04:11:04,840 --> 04:11:06,760
I guess this is the biggest moment in the session,

2642
04:11:06,880 --> 04:11:09,220
and I would like to make a comment on this.

2643
04:11:09,880 --> 04:11:11,080
And I'll keep up with you since you,

2644
04:11:11,740 --> 04:11:14,440
and you probably likely know my views

2645
04:11:14,440 --> 04:11:16,760
on this subject concerning this purchase.

2646
04:11:17,340 --> 04:11:19,400
But I do want to point out one very important thing

2647
04:11:19,400 --> 04:11:21,460
because this obviously is the authority

2648
04:11:21,460 --> 04:11:23,120
in which to sign the actual contract.

2649
04:11:23,880 --> 04:11:25,420
And so I wanted to address one thing

2650
04:11:25,420 --> 04:11:27,000
that I don't think has been really raised

2651
04:11:27,000 --> 04:11:28,140
and I didn't raise in the past,

2652
04:11:28,300 --> 04:11:30,720
but I would really ask the council members

2653
04:11:30,720 --> 04:11:34,920
to commissioners, I mean, to take a look at.

2654
04:11:35,840 --> 04:11:40,420
A number of you have heard in the past that many people are surprised about the amount

2655
04:11:40,420 --> 04:11:45,320
of money that is being offered on this, and I think that is very relevant to your determination

2656
04:11:45,320 --> 04:11:49,160
today as to whether to assign authority to agree to this deal.

2657
04:11:49,640 --> 04:11:55,660
In particular, Bob Creole spoke about this before, but I want to talk about something very specific

2658
04:11:55,660 --> 04:11:59,280
because I want to give you some real facts that you can take a look at.

2659
04:11:59,280 --> 04:12:03,020
And I really ask you to take a look at before agreed to this.

2660
04:12:03,340 --> 04:12:10,640
The document that I strongly suggest you already was the appraisal that was submitted to Dola in January of this year for the grant.

2661
04:12:11,760 --> 04:12:20,480
And that valuation gave in $6.9 million, which of course is about $300,000 less than is being offered.

2662
04:12:20,900 --> 04:12:26,300
But the real important part is the crucial information that the appraiser clearly was not given.

2663
04:12:26,300 --> 04:12:31,340
And so I want to go through just a couple of those things quickly.

2664
04:12:32,020 --> 04:12:39,360
In the cover letter of that phrase, so it basically claims that there have been no transactions involved in the subject property,

2665
04:12:39,560 --> 04:12:43,960
through your period, preceding the evaluation rate of this report.

2666
04:12:45,180 --> 04:12:46,880
This statement is not correct.

2667
04:12:47,960 --> 04:12:55,400
And no one from the town of Teluguay told the appraiser as far as we're aware of the misunderstanding

2668
04:12:55,400 --> 04:12:57,760
that the town moved, that that was not true,

2669
04:12:58,380 --> 04:13:02,020
because on January 15, 2021, we had emails from

2670
04:13:02,020 --> 04:13:04,300
Jack Drucker's office to Lansfield on,

2671
04:13:05,190 --> 04:13:09,180
sending him over to paperwork that memorialized

2672
04:13:09,180 --> 04:13:14,400
his purchase of the property, from his partner, Jim Warwick,

2673
04:13:14,660 --> 04:13:19,980
in March 7th of 2022, and the over top

2674
04:13:19,980 --> 04:13:22,400
real purchase price was $2.1 million.

2675
04:13:22,400 --> 04:13:29,860
dollars. And so that's a really, really, really big fact to not have the appraiser have because

2676
04:13:29,860 --> 04:13:34,900
we had the purchase, which was an honest link for exactly between two people who own

2677
04:13:34,900 --> 04:13:43,800
the fiduciary due to each other, for $2.1 million for each free loss. And the current value

2678
04:13:43,800 --> 04:13:51,100
of what is being offered is basically $350 times that amount. The appraiser also provided some

2679
04:13:51,100 --> 04:13:56,960
good information on page 50, you did an analysis of how much property has increased burden

2680
04:13:56,960 --> 04:14:03,600
in this pandemic period, and found that homes had increased as much as 35% but lots.

2681
04:14:04,540 --> 04:14:11,180
They get lost, they've actually only increased about 3% during this period of time, and

2682
04:14:11,180 --> 04:14:13,260
he has a very good analysis on that.

2683
04:14:14,260 --> 04:14:20,540
And so, you know, the problem is, if he wasn't given that information about a actual non-slite

2684
04:14:20,540 --> 04:14:24,660
transaction for this particular piece of property, that's a huge deal.

2685
04:14:25,340 --> 04:14:30,840
And I asked that somebody talked to him to find out if this is a business which is, if

2686
04:14:30,840 --> 04:14:33,860
they actually had that information about the transaction.

2687
04:14:34,680 --> 04:14:37,920
As a secondary point, there's some other things that I'm just pointing out.

2688
04:14:37,920 --> 04:14:45,820
One is incorrect. This says that there is water on property, a weld on the property, that is not correct.

2689
04:14:46,060 --> 04:14:53,560
And I know that because the part that my property was reduced with my property connected to the diamond grids,

2690
04:14:54,000 --> 04:14:59,500
and that weld was never been connected to the property and it's going to take a lot of work to do.

2691
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:27,100
The reason that's important is that his evaluation is based on it and basically added $150,000 value to his properties, with his subtle incorrect assumption that it has a well, which he does not. The last thing that point out because all he does is know his properties in the areas, look at the comparables that he did, true of them are grayhead. We know grayhead is very expensive and is not comparable to his property right next to the airport.

2692
04:15:27,100 --> 04:15:33,260
One of the besides which has, you know, prompted views of everything, and another one that's

2693
04:15:33,260 --> 04:15:39,080
golden pledge which has explored very few of every day and is also, by the way, from the

2694
04:15:39,080 --> 04:15:39,380
airport.

2695
04:15:40,120 --> 04:15:45,800
And you know, that is now in 2.1, not even nearly, but to be fair on the internet.

2696
04:15:46,340 --> 04:15:50,520
And so the reason that I raised these cases, we all know that there's a golden rate here.

2697
04:15:51,040 --> 04:15:55,380
And as far as I understand, you guys don't actually know yet if you're going to get it because

2698
04:15:55,380 --> 04:15:57,140
is you have to get a contract from Dova

2699
04:15:57,140 --> 04:15:59,340
that will have lots of conditions in it

2700
04:15:59,340 --> 04:16:01,260
that I'm not even sure if you know what they are.

2701
04:16:02,240 --> 04:16:04,680
But what happens if this money doesn't come true

2702
04:16:04,680 --> 04:16:06,100
and you could bring to a purchase

2703
04:16:06,100 --> 04:16:09,380
and you will $2.5 billion on this loan

2704
04:16:09,380 --> 04:16:10,640
for properties in the interest,

2705
04:16:11,080 --> 04:16:14,900
not worth it by anyone who knows about this property.

2706
04:16:16,160 --> 04:16:20,100
So this is my last chance to put in my comments

2707
04:16:20,100 --> 04:16:24,340
on this and I just ask that you slow down a little bit.

2708
04:16:24,340 --> 04:16:30,720
ask them these questions of the appraisers and find out why these numbers are what they are.

2709
04:16:31,120 --> 04:16:34,040
And then about the prior sale, they're just getting information on that.

2710
04:16:34,200 --> 04:16:41,800
Before you commit the accounting to a low of the $2.5 million that you might have to end up paying themselves.

2711
04:16:42,280 --> 04:16:43,400
That means you didn't go live.

2712
04:16:45,000 --> 04:16:48,540
So in any event, I thank you very much for all of your attention.

2713
04:16:48,960 --> 04:16:52,600
And with that, I will give you a round of applause.

2714
04:16:52,600 --> 04:16:55,680
Thank you. We also have Virginia Luccarelli with her hand up.

2715
04:16:59,910 --> 04:17:03,210
Go ahead. Thank you.

2716
04:17:04,950 --> 04:17:10,550
I also wanted to ask you to pause and

2717
04:17:11,370 --> 04:17:17,050
spend a little bit more time planning and my thoughts were similar in the mornings but not as

2718
04:17:17,050 --> 04:17:27,270
specific. As this process has moved forward, the first, the planning commission and then the

2719
04:17:27,270 --> 04:17:29,330
that they had very specific parameters

2720
04:17:29,330 --> 04:17:33,110
with which they can consider resuming

2721
04:17:33,110 --> 04:17:34,970
and what they were doing.

2722
04:17:37,970 --> 04:17:42,070
And so in both, I believe, one of those

2723
04:17:42,070 --> 04:17:45,710
to the planning commission and board of county commissioners.

2724
04:17:46,950 --> 04:17:48,890
There were statements made, you know,

2725
04:17:49,010 --> 04:17:52,310
saying that all the other concerns that people raised

2726
04:17:52,310 --> 04:17:55,530
should not be considered because you're narrowly focused

2727
04:17:55,530 --> 04:17:57,130
on what you're doing here.

2728
04:17:59,030 --> 04:18:03,670
And I just wanted to make sure that in the process

2729
04:18:03,670 --> 04:18:07,150
from a physically responsible way,

2730
04:18:07,570 --> 04:18:10,370
make sure that you understand the cost

2731
04:18:10,370 --> 04:18:13,810
beyond simply the purchase that we're associated with.

2732
04:18:14,990 --> 04:18:19,830
I believe on May 18th meeting there was a letter from Eric White

2733
04:18:20,930 --> 04:18:26,670
I'm saying that just getting water there is going to be a more from 10.3 to 12.7 million.

2734
04:18:27,910 --> 04:18:32,990
Connecting to this sewer plant which means upgrades is about $3.6 billion.

2735
04:18:34,110 --> 04:18:40,910
I think the annual power is going to cost $2.3 million to try a big three-phase power over there.

2736
04:18:41,850 --> 04:18:48,330
These are a lot of upfront costs and I would really encourage you to step back

2737
04:18:48,810 --> 04:18:54,710
Have a conversation about the feasibility, suitability, and affordability of this project.

2738
04:18:55,630 --> 04:18:57,470
I don't see how it makes sense.

2739
04:18:58,270 --> 04:18:58,790
Thank you.

2740
04:19:00,820 --> 04:19:04,720
We have, say, a lavender hand up and then maybe Mike can address some of these.

2741
04:19:06,040 --> 04:19:06,680
Go ahead, Sarah.

2742
04:19:08,380 --> 04:19:09,620
Soon as you're unmuted.

2743
04:19:13,530 --> 04:19:14,110
Thank you.

2744
04:19:14,230 --> 04:19:15,490
I will be super brief.

2745
04:19:17,410 --> 04:19:24,510
I just want to know on the record as agreeing with Virginia and Morgan, and I just tune

2746
04:19:24,510 --> 04:19:31,390
into this to see what will happen today, and this resolution has been teased out as a

2747
04:19:31,390 --> 04:19:35,310
pro forma matter that a data going will be approved.

2748
04:19:35,710 --> 04:19:40,750
And I just want to say for the record that it doesn't have to be, and I really urge you to step

2749
04:19:40,750 --> 04:19:47,130
back and really pause and hopefully pull the fun on the sand deal and restart this planning

2750
04:19:47,130 --> 04:19:50,910
process as he would with the plant payment development because there's so many unknowns

2751
04:19:50,910 --> 04:19:57,490
in terms of costs and feasibility and impact and you know there is a reason this land has

2752
04:19:57,490 --> 04:19:59,490
that I'm sold for two decades.

2753
04:20:00,000 --> 04:20:15,800
It's because it has problems, it doesn't have water, and it is best suited if we're all open space. So, thanks for listening to us. And I hope you'll at least think about, kind of, the rights on this, on this resolution. Thank you. Thank you.

2754
04:20:17,940 --> 04:20:27,340
Mike, you got any response in particular to be happy to respond to those items that the board would like me to. Yes, please. Yes.

2755
04:20:27,340 --> 04:20:38,700
Okay, so first off, I'd like to share my screen for a moment, and I want to just show the board the three parcels.

2756
04:20:39,420 --> 04:20:49,000
If you look at the ownership, you'll see that this is owned by Diamond Ridge Hill, tell you right at LLC, in common interest with James' work,

2757
04:20:51,200 --> 04:20:53,720
as is this parcel, the middle parcel.

2758
04:20:53,720 --> 04:20:58,910
The northernmost parcel, however, is not.

2759
04:20:59,570 --> 04:21:06,850
So it's my understanding that Mr. Vickers bought out his partner's ownership interest

2760
04:21:07,370 --> 04:21:16,150
and that Daniel Ridge, the right LLC, was a combination of Mr. Vickers and his now deceased wife.

2761
04:21:17,110 --> 04:21:22,370
And then for the southern two parcels, they were all so they had a third partner of Mr. Word.

2762
04:21:22,370 --> 04:21:35,050
He purchased out Mr. Worst ownership interest of these two parcels, so I don't I would have to defer to Amy or to a land use attorney about whether or

2763
04:21:35,050 --> 04:21:42,570
not buying out of partnership interest would be considered an onsite transaction, but I don't believe it is.

2764
04:21:43,410 --> 04:21:51,830
Regarding the second point of the water and the well on the property, you can see that there was this very long tail because

2765
04:21:51,830 --> 04:22:04,690
There were water issues with this northernmost parcel, the well that serves that 35 acre parcel is actually up all the way up here, and that's why they had this weird tail to this.

2766
04:22:05,270 --> 04:22:21,390
If the proposal was to serve a future development with the wells on site, I would also probably be concerned because of the amount of water and then just by the amount of water.

2767
04:22:21,390 --> 04:22:24,310
and wouldn't support a significant number of pumps.

2768
04:22:24,490 --> 04:22:27,330
But that is not what is being proposed.

2769
04:22:28,710 --> 04:22:34,910
And as far as how that well or water on the property

2770
04:22:34,910 --> 04:22:39,470
affects the value, again, I did not order the appraisal,

2771
04:22:39,750 --> 04:22:40,710
but I didn't see it.

2772
04:22:41,250 --> 04:22:46,710
And it did not cause me concern whether or not

2773
04:22:46,710 --> 04:22:49,830
the pumps that they use working comparable,

2774
04:22:49,830 --> 04:22:58,630
I guess I would argue that if you're looking at views and location and you're comparing it to grayhead, which is, you know, nearby,

2775
04:23:00,570 --> 04:23:06,550
that they are probably valid comms. But again, I'm not a land use attorney award, I'm pretty sure.

2776
04:23:06,950 --> 04:23:13,670
And then finally, regarding the dole grant, we have received our letter of award from Dole Up for the full $5 million.

2777
04:23:14,350 --> 04:23:22,590
It is stipulated that we would only receive it if we close on the property and it has the original conditions that we've already agreed to,

2778
04:23:23,010 --> 04:23:33,230
such as producing half of the homes that are developed on site at an affordability level of 120% AMI or below.

2779
04:23:36,270 --> 04:23:39,670
I'm happy to try and answer any other questions the board has.

2780
04:23:39,670 --> 04:23:42,450
I think you covered those pretty well.

2781
04:23:43,390 --> 04:23:45,370
Commissioner, should I have any other questions from Mike?

2782
04:23:46,430 --> 04:23:49,210
Amy, do you want to weigh in on that one item?

2783
04:23:50,130 --> 04:23:56,070
Well, without having seen any of their partnership agreements or any of the documents on that sale,

2784
04:23:56,330 --> 04:24:02,790
I mean, I really couldn't speculate as to whether or not that was an arm's length deal or just something between business partners,

2785
04:24:02,990 --> 04:24:09,170
and they decided that they would buy each other out with the original amount that they invested in

2786
04:24:09,170 --> 04:24:13,150
that property so I can't say that I don't know whether or not that's something

2787
04:24:13,150 --> 04:24:17,410
that anybody else can say at this point unless they've seen those documents are

2788
04:24:17,410 --> 04:24:21,950
I will just tell you we're in a contract to purchase property and the

2789
04:24:21,950 --> 04:24:28,750
appraisal objection deadline was April 7th 2022 you I mean I there's there's

2790
04:24:28,750 --> 04:24:31,430
something saying that you can't back out of the contract but the earnest

2791
04:24:31,430 --> 04:24:35,830
money is $50,000 and so if you choose to not go forward with the purchase of the

2792
04:24:35,830 --> 04:24:42,530
property. It looks like that at least would be the amount that would be forfeited. If

2793
04:24:42,530 --> 04:24:46,950
not more I haven't been able to get through all of the specific details of the contract

2794
04:24:46,950 --> 04:24:53,690
but I have a hold up now. And I don't see anywhere in the contract that there's actually an assurance

2795
04:24:53,690 --> 04:24:59,670
about a well, there's no well permit number listed in here. I'm looking at the water

2796
04:24:59,670 --> 04:24:59,870
right.

2797
04:25:00,000 --> 04:25:29,440
It's well-right to water and sewer taps matter. I think that it's always been very clear that if the county and the town were to purchase that property, and if you are to go forward with developing it for affordable housing, it wouldn't be to contingent on a well. You'd have to be bringing up water in a different way, and I can completely appreciate that the other parties have brought in their experts with their opinions on things. But right now,

2798
04:25:29,440 --> 04:25:42,980
Now the town of Telluride has its own process for being able to bring water and sewer to a particular area and they're the ones that are going to have to do that deep dive to see what that cost would actually look like.

2799
04:25:43,940 --> 04:25:50,260
Thank you. Any other commissioner questions? We have Morgan's hand up one more time.

2800
04:25:51,760 --> 04:25:54,780
I'm sorry, Hillary, I'm fading into the background.

2801
04:25:55,260 --> 04:25:56,060
Go ahead, Commissioner Cooper.

2802
04:25:57,340 --> 04:25:58,180
Thank you.

2803
04:26:02,040 --> 04:26:07,840
I'm just in response, real quick, to the purpose of that door

2804
04:26:07,840 --> 04:26:12,340
grant that the percent of those homes must be developed at

2805
04:26:12,340 --> 04:26:14,020
100 percent or by the rest.

2806
04:26:14,260 --> 04:26:17,020
That does not mean any way that that is our plan.

2807
04:26:17,800 --> 04:26:24,040
My unfortunately has been quoted in public by speaking, you know, what the plan is.

2808
04:26:24,340 --> 04:26:27,000
We have not gotten into the planning phase of this yet.

2809
04:26:27,140 --> 04:26:32,580
Mike is just simply referring to the facts, and he's not prejudging any plans.

2810
04:26:32,860 --> 04:26:38,520
So I want to make that very clear with all of you who are picking up on a lot of the things that Mike has said

2811
04:26:38,520 --> 04:26:42,340
as facts as they will be carried over into the plan.

2812
04:26:42,340 --> 04:26:47,160
and we have not got to be specific planning phase

2813
04:26:47,160 --> 04:26:50,940
as we're all well aware now of this project

2814
04:26:50,940 --> 04:26:53,140
and I was certainly gonna say as one commissioner,

2815
04:26:53,360 --> 04:26:56,660
I certainly intend to make to ensure

2816
04:26:56,660 --> 04:27:01,540
that one of 50% of those will be at some level of AMI

2817
04:27:02,160 --> 04:27:07,320
that is 120 or less and perhaps a little more

2818
04:27:07,320 --> 04:27:11,380
because we need affordable housing for up to 277

2819
04:27:11,380 --> 04:27:13,320
I don't even know, are you 250% am I?

2820
04:27:13,860 --> 04:27:16,840
Because of a lack of availability of rent here.

2821
04:27:17,000 --> 04:27:19,180
So again, that is part of the planning phase.

2822
04:27:19,320 --> 04:27:21,120
And we're not going to do that very much

2823
04:27:21,120 --> 04:27:25,160
with boards that planning phase, which we will initiate

2824
04:27:25,160 --> 04:27:30,100
sometime after we get through these necessary documents.

2825
04:27:30,100 --> 04:27:34,700
And I will just also respond that I am going

2826
04:27:34,700 --> 04:27:39,980
to approve this resolution, not because I'm afraid

2827
04:27:39,980 --> 04:27:47,640
of losing $50,000 if we don't, but because I am very much looking forward to partnering

2828
04:27:47,640 --> 04:27:53,820
with the town and potentially others to build a new neighborhood of affordable housing

2829
04:27:53,820 --> 04:28:03,600
that will be compatible, I believe, and completely respectful of the local neighbors.

2830
04:28:03,600 --> 04:28:14,980
So I look forward to getting to that point and also look forward to the fact that now this process can be much more public.

2831
04:28:14,980 --> 04:28:23,540
We were in a real estate transaction before, and then of course, and maybe now we were in a quasi-judicial process before at this point forward,

2832
04:28:23,540 --> 04:28:30,140
We're really willing to be able to engage in a planning process that will be more publicly

2833
04:28:30,140 --> 04:28:35,360
facing and transparent and very much look forward to the input that we will get during that process.

2834
04:28:36,300 --> 04:28:37,340
Great. Thank you.

2835
04:28:37,480 --> 04:28:40,500
Morgan Smith here again and I begin and then we'll conclude this matter.

2836
04:28:40,580 --> 04:28:45,140
Just very briefly because I just wanted to be clear for the commissioners.

2837
04:28:45,560 --> 04:28:52,660
The development place is an issue because it increased the value of the property by about $150,000

2838
04:28:52,660 --> 04:28:58,600
in the appraisers' mind, and the key on that is, yes, there is a well that is not

2839
04:28:58,600 --> 04:29:02,900
part of it, but nothing is connecting it, and none of the infrastructure would make it work,

2840
04:29:03,120 --> 04:29:05,220
so that was through proper, and you didn't know that.

2841
04:29:05,840 --> 04:29:10,040
So that's one. Secondly, on the contract, as I have read it, the company has every right

2842
04:29:10,040 --> 04:29:14,500
to get out of this contract for any reason or no reason, up until the time that it is closed.

2843
04:29:14,840 --> 04:29:19,940
So I do not believe that there is any $50,000 payment that has to be needed,

2844
04:29:19,940 --> 04:29:22,760
as you've reserved that for your right and that's in your contract.

2845
04:29:23,400 --> 04:29:29,380
The last thing I say is, the whole point about due diligence is finding out about transactions

2846
04:29:29,380 --> 04:29:35,920
like that occurred in very short time before you entered into your agreement, and it's

2847
04:29:35,920 --> 04:29:49,760
a fairly simple determination to determine the percentages of what was owned, which is

2848
04:29:49,760 --> 04:29:52,300
of this and an arms-leafed creative section.

2849
04:29:52,580 --> 04:29:53,660
Those are important facts.

2850
04:29:54,340 --> 04:29:56,360
I mean, those are the kind of things

2851
04:29:56,360 --> 04:29:57,400
you should be asking about.

2852
04:29:57,520 --> 04:29:59,700
Not to say that I don't have it, I don't know.

2853
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:13,980
So that is my, without, I leave it out. Thank you all for your time. I really do. And thank you. Thank you. All right. Any other questions from commissioners? Not ready for a motion?

2854
04:30:34,980 --> 04:30:35,820
All right.

2855
04:30:36,220 --> 04:30:36,300
Hi.

2856
04:30:37,720 --> 04:30:39,060
Thank you.

2857
04:30:39,680 --> 04:30:40,700
Next up.

2858
04:30:41,500 --> 04:30:42,600
Where am I?

2859
04:30:43,640 --> 04:30:45,880
It would be James from I don't know.

2860
04:30:46,360 --> 04:30:47,720
Oh, we get to see James.

2861
04:30:49,500 --> 04:30:49,680
Four.

2862
04:30:50,520 --> 04:30:59,260
This is similar to the consideration of the chair signature of resolution 2022-29 authorized in

2863
04:30:59,260 --> 04:31:00,760
the acquisition of certain real property.

2864
04:31:00,760 --> 04:31:02,740
this is a noirwood property.

2865
04:31:11,260 --> 04:31:16,800
To authorize the acquisition of 11 Miguel Street,

2866
04:31:20,200 --> 04:31:21,320
this granted

2867
04:31:26,440 --> 04:31:28,340
social services was awarded

2868
04:31:28,340 --> 04:31:35,660
through the state to assist with housing and a salary assistance with a hiring of

2869
04:31:35,660 --> 04:31:43,560
beat-by-ling wool behavioral health clinician, and we are currently under contract for this

2870
04:31:43,560 --> 04:31:50,580
Any questions from commissioners?

2871
04:31:51,620 --> 04:31:56,400
And if you don't mind stopping your screen share, I can't see Commissioner Cooper.

2872
04:31:57,840 --> 04:31:58,020
Okay.

2873
04:31:58,480 --> 04:31:58,800
Any questions?

2874
04:32:00,220 --> 04:32:01,140
No questions.

2875
04:32:01,140 --> 04:32:07,360
I've been in contact with Mike and with James about this and also with Carol and it seems

2876
04:32:07,360 --> 04:32:10,460
to tick the boxes that we require.

2877
04:32:10,860 --> 04:32:11,000
Okay.

2878
04:32:14,600 --> 04:32:15,820
Would that be ready for a motion?

2879
04:32:15,820 --> 04:32:16,700
I

2880
04:32:18,820 --> 04:32:28,000
will do that. But I have to find the motion on my agenda. Here we go. I move to approve

2881
04:32:28,000 --> 04:32:33,760
the chair signature of resolution 2022-29 authorizing the acquisition of certain real property

2882
04:32:34,120 --> 04:32:34,860
in Norway.

2883
04:32:37,320 --> 04:32:38,000
Any

2884
04:32:40,200 --> 04:32:41,140
further discussion?

2885
04:32:42,180 --> 04:32:42,840
Not, how do you vote?

2886
04:32:43,720 --> 04:32:43,940
Hi.

2887
04:32:44,780 --> 04:32:45,120
Hi.

2888
04:32:48,140 --> 04:32:48,480
Thanks, James.

2889
04:32:49,100 --> 04:32:56,860
Next up is 12-D executive session, discussion of a Memorandum of Outer Standing on Funding

2890
04:32:56,860 --> 04:33:01,500
and Costure with the town of Tyride, under citation 4-A-B.

2891
04:33:04,160 --> 04:33:17,760
I'm wondering if you would like to, and it's totally up to you, if you would like to do the updates and the cases where these and the folks that are staying on to listen to

2892
04:33:17,760 --> 04:33:24,500
Let's go to attorney matters if there's any general attorney matters and then we'll do our commissioner updates

2893
04:33:24,500 --> 04:33:30,280
And I also have some, some, a couple more manager updates whenever we can get back to that too.

2894
04:33:30,500 --> 04:33:33,180
Okay. Amy, are you ready?

2895
04:33:37,270 --> 04:33:38,590
Yeah, I don't have anything.

2896
04:33:39,890 --> 04:33:50,170
Oh, shall we note our, you're outstanding award from, yes, from the attorney's conference that you went to?

2897
04:33:56,930 --> 04:34:04,690
It's not anywhere near as stunning as Mike's Rising Star Award, but it's pretty spectacular

2898
04:34:04,690 --> 04:34:05,730
in its own way.

2899
04:34:05,870 --> 04:34:08,070
It's spectacular in its own way, absolutely.

2900
04:34:10,650 --> 04:34:12,330
We're glad to have you back in person.

2901
04:34:13,290 --> 04:34:15,690
Okay, Mike, do you want to finish up on your manager manners?

2902
04:34:17,110 --> 04:34:25,110
Thank you. Just a couple of updates and then one item that I would like the board to consider and that I'll bring back to you next week today.

2903
04:34:26,570 --> 04:34:33,290
First off is we've had some correspondence with Julie Constan and C.Dot about the chain-up stations.

2904
04:34:33,970 --> 04:34:38,250
They are still moving forward with design and planning on the two locations.

2905
04:34:38,250 --> 04:34:48,930
The one that was identified west of deep creek on that currently unused of whole off area and then the other up by west meadows.

2906
04:34:49,530 --> 04:34:59,210
Specifically, she confirmed that they would not be constructing them this year, but we'll be looking at a summer of 2023 construction timeline.

2907
04:35:00,000 --> 04:35:29,980
They are claiming difficulties in finding the remote sensing technology, but we did request to meet with them to specifically discuss the related before any plans are confirmed. So we're looking at a timeline this fall, where we'll reconvene. I know that we've had some additional outreach from the homeowners association representative of its team.

2908
04:35:29,980 --> 04:35:35,120
inches and we have several others that are concerned about the lighting so I

2909
04:35:35,120 --> 04:35:38,340
just wanted to give you a heads up that we are in correspondence and we're

2910
04:35:38,340 --> 04:35:42,100
looking towards a September up to overtime frame to have a work session

2911
04:35:42,100 --> 04:35:48,700
with Julie Helmut. Okay thanks so Jenny Russell had reached out to us about

2912
04:35:48,700 --> 04:35:56,180
having an update which is ironic because we have her listed at a degree 29 work

2913
04:35:56,180 --> 04:36:02,080
session for nothing except water but I think obviously Jenny represents the

2914
04:36:02,080 --> 04:36:08,680
county and the self-water basin round table two so I've confirmed with her no

2915
04:36:08,680 --> 04:36:12,560
she doesn't anymore okay my apology there

2916
04:36:13,380 --> 04:36:21,380
April, April, April, April. Oh, Jenny, Jenny, the chair of the round table April is

2917
04:36:37,220 --> 04:36:48,100
Thank you so we are she is confirmed that she can attend with us on the 29th and give us an update

2918
04:36:48,100 --> 04:36:51,240
from Southwest Water Conservation District,

2919
04:36:51,720 --> 04:36:56,180
as well as she has two additional items

2920
04:36:56,180 --> 04:37:00,020
that she related to water in San Miguel County,

2921
04:37:00,620 --> 04:37:02,100
and she would like to update us on,

2922
04:37:02,400 --> 04:37:05,560
that neither one is related to our ongoing case

2923
04:37:05,560 --> 04:37:09,320
with the San Miguel Water Conservation District.

2924
04:37:12,440 --> 04:37:16,620
I have heard back, finally, from Tigray,

2925
04:37:16,620 --> 04:37:18,140
and Agnore School did, all right,

2926
04:37:18,300 --> 04:37:20,240
the Dolores County Superintendents

2927
04:37:20,240 --> 04:37:21,720
about the Agnore School.

2928
04:37:24,160 --> 04:37:26,540
They're born as interested in selling

2929
04:37:26,540 --> 04:37:28,020
the entire school parcel

2930
04:37:28,020 --> 04:37:31,460
and they've had some interest from private businesses

2931
04:37:31,460 --> 04:37:33,320
that are interested in purchasing it.

2932
04:37:33,940 --> 04:37:37,780
I reconvade our interest in the bus barn

2933
04:37:37,780 --> 04:37:40,120
and there's a weird property sliver

2934
04:37:40,120 --> 04:37:44,020
that intersects to the fire station.

2935
04:37:44,020 --> 04:37:56,960
So he is asked us if we would like to acquire the bus the bus barn as well as a portion of property that we come back to them with a proposal.

2936
04:37:57,440 --> 04:38:13,500
So I'm trying to have the land estimates but I don't have a means yet unless we want to hire an appraiser to give us an appraised value for that bus barn building.

2937
04:38:13,500 --> 04:38:20,180
But I do believe we could acquire it for significantly less than if we were to construct

2938
04:38:20,180 --> 04:38:22,840
or help the fire district construct something new.

2939
04:38:23,380 --> 04:38:30,100
I think this will likely be one of our agenda topics to discuss with the fire district in

2940
04:38:30,100 --> 04:38:31,220
our meeting next week.

2941
04:38:31,640 --> 04:38:38,440
And I wanted to give you a heads up on that as well as a plan to try and get some estimates

2942
04:38:38,440 --> 04:38:42,380
from that area for similar type storage buildings.

2943
04:38:42,620 --> 04:38:45,160
Those buildings are being used by the fire distra currently

2944
04:38:45,520 --> 04:38:46,900
to store fire equipment.

2945
04:38:49,140 --> 04:38:50,960
A couple of things.

2946
04:38:54,100 --> 04:38:56,160
Next week, as I mentioned, we're in Ignar,

2947
04:38:56,300 --> 04:38:58,320
however, that will be a Zoom meeting

2948
04:38:58,320 --> 04:39:00,240
that will be in person only.

2949
04:39:01,120 --> 04:39:03,720
We may have cellular coverage there,

2950
04:39:04,120 --> 04:39:06,720
but if folks are interested in joining us,

2951
04:39:06,720 --> 04:39:11,680
If the meeting is going to be from 2 to 6 p.m., so a little different time in the normal

2952
04:39:12,200 --> 04:39:14,020
for our meeting next Wednesday day card.

2953
04:39:14,360 --> 04:39:21,080
Following that, we'll have a work session here in person, tell you what, and be a zoomer.

2954
04:39:21,720 --> 04:39:27,100
The county will be closed for the July 4th holiday reopening Tuesday, July 5th.

2955
04:39:29,060 --> 04:39:35,620
The next San Miguel Regional Housing Authority meeting will be at noon on Tuesday, June 28th.

2956
04:39:35,620 --> 04:39:43,480
And then lastly, I received a request from Jennifer in the Sheriff's Office for specific

2957
04:39:43,480 --> 04:39:54,840
to their corrections and communication staff who, as we heard earlier today, is a singular

2958
04:39:54,840 --> 04:39:59,700
are most commuting group, won't just commuting group in the Sheriff's Office.

2959
04:40:00,340 --> 04:40:30,320
The majority of those employees are coming from Montrose, but some as far as Delta, Delta Creek, and other locations. And with fuel prices, they are having a pretty high impact of cost. The sheriff wants to propose wanting me to bring forth to you this idea of allowing a $100 per pay period stipend for that group of employees only within the sheriff's office.

2960
04:40:30,320 --> 04:40:37,720
office. I had Christina and I have spoken about this and we've reached out to

2961
04:40:37,720 --> 04:40:43,220
employers council. They did not have one of my ideas as well. We offer for them

2962
04:40:43,220 --> 04:40:46,860
and we've had to offer for others but then it should be fair and it should be

2963
04:40:46,860 --> 04:40:50,860
based off of your, do you have to be in person? How far do you have to communicate

2964
04:40:50,860 --> 04:40:57,280
all that? Employers council's overly simplified answer was do not pick and choose

2965
04:40:57,280 --> 04:41:02,020
employees if you're going to do one division, you can do that division safely and

2966
04:41:02,020 --> 04:41:08,700
start legally, but you're going to get into labor law concerns if you start

2967
04:41:08,700 --> 04:41:13,640
picking and choosing who but employees. The Sheriff's Office, as we remember, is

2968
04:41:13,640 --> 04:41:19,520
on a 13-page cycle, not the 26-page period cycle that the rest of the county is on,

2969
04:41:19,780 --> 04:41:26,080
so this would result in a remaining year impact of approximately $600 per

2970
04:41:26,080 --> 04:41:31,300
are employed if the county were to authorize this and continue it through the end of this year.

2971
04:41:32,700 --> 04:41:38,480
Again, I'm not asking for a decision today, but I wanted to give you a heads up on what the request was.

2972
04:41:38,900 --> 04:41:49,280
I have verified that with two positions in CCS that have remained vacant throughout the year, they do have a significant amount of savings.

2973
04:41:50,080 --> 04:41:56,560
When we were budgeting for fuel oil and we were looking at historic fuel prices, we weren't expecting

2974
04:41:56,560 --> 04:42:03,260
as dramatic a rise, so they don't have the extra funding in their fuel budget because we

2975
04:42:03,260 --> 04:42:09,700
projected that fuel prices would be continuing at a similar level to what they weren't pre-pandemic.

2976
04:42:11,180 --> 04:42:16,280
So, all that is to say there isn't the funding in their fuel portion of their budget,

2977
04:42:16,280 --> 04:42:21,500
but if you look at their overall budget,

2978
04:42:21,880 --> 04:42:23,800
they do have significant savings

2979
04:42:23,800 --> 04:42:25,960
that could pay for this expense.

2980
04:42:26,780 --> 04:42:33,720
So just to clarify by offering it to all CCS personnel,

2981
04:42:34,100 --> 04:42:37,620
we're okay with the, you can offer it to a division

2982
04:42:37,620 --> 04:42:40,460
but not pick and choose within that.

2983
04:42:40,480 --> 04:42:43,560
I can ask that it just be three employees in CCS.

2984
04:42:46,040 --> 04:42:49,200
Okay. Any questions from other commissioners?

2985
04:42:50,300 --> 04:42:56,760
Mike, you're saying we don't have to make a decision now. Do you expect us to have that decision to make it out?

2986
04:42:56,940 --> 04:42:57,120
Okay.

2987
04:42:58,220 --> 04:43:01,940
And I'll write this up and we'll add it to the agenda somehow.

2988
04:43:02,380 --> 04:43:02,620
Okay.

2989
04:43:03,000 --> 04:43:03,440
Sounds good.

2990
04:43:05,660 --> 04:43:08,380
Got a head shaking, yes, for commissioners.

2991
04:43:09,460 --> 04:43:10,040
All right.

2992
04:43:10,260 --> 04:43:12,660
Anything else for us from you, Mike? For right now?

2993
04:43:13,840 --> 04:43:18,700
Okay. We'll do Commissioner updates. We'll just start off.

2994
04:43:20,810 --> 04:43:22,210
Happy birthday last week

2995
04:43:22,210 --> 04:43:30,450
to Hillary. We had Matt and I gave a great, hey him, that too. Great presentation through

2996
04:43:30,450 --> 04:43:38,130
the regenerative recovery coalition yesterday on the Colorado state's progress on soil health.

2997
04:43:38,130 --> 04:43:46,530
that was well-attended via Zoom, and didn't too much in the last week, but moving forward,

2998
04:43:46,790 --> 04:43:53,230
I have put a 40-mile, we have the same bill, we were stakeholders meeting by Zoom tomorrow

2999
04:43:53,230 --> 04:43:59,390
after noon. The statewide gray outer meeting on Monday, that's been an interesting and very

3000
04:43:59,390 --> 04:44:08,250
well one meeting as we look to make the already adopted statewide rules more

3001
04:44:09,010 --> 04:44:17,730
county-friendly or more implementable. And then just lastly, we'll note it is

3002
04:44:17,730 --> 04:44:23,410
first-grasement. It's open and out there. It just starts at five, but at 6.30 we have

3003
04:44:23,410 --> 04:44:28,790
the kitchen dollars which has our own shonslein as one of the members. So it was

3004
04:44:28,790 --> 04:44:35,930
nice to be able to support community or community in that fashion and then a few, well, everybody

3005
04:44:35,930 --> 04:44:40,430
out there knows that if you don't have a tag on your card to get into county, the restrictions

3006
04:44:40,430 --> 04:44:44,970
will start applying tomorrow with the best starting tomorrow.

3007
04:44:45,950 --> 04:44:47,310
I think you may get into town.

3008
04:44:47,890 --> 04:44:50,770
Getting into town, sorry, yes, that is a big difference.

3009
04:44:51,770 --> 04:44:58,770
The commissioner, I attended a smart meeting, oh yeah, the one I couldn't actually attend

3010
04:44:58,770 --> 04:44:59,970
and be as we internet was-

3011
04:45:00,000 --> 04:45:29,800
So, Matt, you were struggling with unit, but I was able to attend, and the biggest news is that Smart has been trying to understand senior and disabled transit service on that needs and has engaged a consulting firm that had some in-person meetings and learned some information that was useful, but unfortunately also learned that it's difficult to contact

3012
04:45:29,800 --> 04:45:37,200
seniors and sometimes disabled folks and especially in the West End because their internet

3013
04:45:37,200 --> 04:45:44,420
access isn't always easy. So they're going to attend senior lunches and try to really

3014
04:45:44,760 --> 04:45:50,760
drill down and get some better survey face-to-face information.

3015
04:45:51,700 --> 04:46:04,700
Beyond that, smart remains expanding service, monitoring existing routes, and moving forward

3016
04:46:04,700 --> 04:46:10,900
planning for the future, budgetarily, the organization is in good shape, but with rising

3017
04:46:10,900 --> 04:46:18,440
fuel prices and supply chain issues, there's some questions about getting buses in the future

3018
04:46:18,440 --> 04:46:24,660
and David Avril and Kerry are making some decisions about whether to revamp existing

3019
04:46:24,660 --> 04:46:32,200
fleet or try to get in the line for a long line for a new fleet as that needs to be

3020
04:46:32,200 --> 04:46:32,820
turned over.

3021
04:46:33,320 --> 04:46:34,640
In general, smarts doing well.

3022
04:46:35,520 --> 04:46:43,080
I've also been working with STAR and the citizens of Ofer and trying to continue the conversation

3023
04:46:43,080 --> 04:46:49,320
with Tri-State and Forest Service, stars actually in a meeting right now, with Tri-State

3024
04:46:49,320 --> 04:46:56,960
and the Forest Service, I believe, and hoping that they are able to work towards a more

3025
04:46:56,960 --> 04:47:01,740
agreeable project. Great. Commissioner Cooper.

3026
04:47:05,830 --> 04:47:11,830
I don't have any updates, but I wonder if

3027
04:47:11,830 --> 04:47:19,750
along the lines of board you should learn just that if it makes sense you might review or review

3028
04:47:19,750 --> 04:47:24,730
for James to start attending some of those. So one of those senior events to talk about the update

3029
04:47:24,730 --> 04:47:30,850
on broadband, and when it will become more available to, you can give that update tomorrow.

3030
04:47:31,870 --> 04:47:36,290
I'm sorry, next week, to EGNAR, but I don't wonder also about that in the rest of the

3031
04:47:36,290 --> 04:47:36,490
end.

3032
04:47:37,350 --> 04:47:42,870
And maybe, you know, down Valley, we know that not too many people tend to listen to our

3033
04:47:42,870 --> 04:47:43,270
meetings.

3034
04:47:43,690 --> 04:47:48,430
So I wonder if we should be more proactive in getting the information out about when broadband

3035
04:47:48,430 --> 04:47:51,330
and will be more ill because of the county's

3036
04:47:51,330 --> 04:47:54,950
pro-loat efforts in the private envisages.

3037
04:47:57,270 --> 04:47:58,390
I'd be happy to.

3038
04:47:58,610 --> 04:48:02,190
We are still waiting on low-mast equipment detail

3039
04:48:02,190 --> 04:48:04,230
before we make any public announcements

3040
04:48:04,990 --> 04:48:07,050
because there's a lead time on it,

3041
04:48:07,210 --> 04:48:09,070
but we should have that soon

3042
04:48:09,070 --> 04:48:11,030
and I'd be happy to join any of those.

3043
04:48:13,310 --> 04:48:13,550
Great.

3044
04:48:14,270 --> 04:48:15,810
All right, I think with that,

3045
04:48:15,990 --> 04:48:19,250
we are now ready for our executive session

3046
04:48:19,250 --> 04:48:33,890
and basically for the public still on there, we'll go into executive session, we'll come out of executive session report on any staff direction, or if we may give staff direction, and then we would adjourn.

3047
04:48:35,150 --> 04:48:37,470
So with that, I would entertain a motion.

3048
04:48:40,460 --> 04:48:46,480
I move to go into executive's session to discuss a memorandum of understanding on funding

3049
04:48:46,480 --> 04:48:51,760
and cost share with the town of Fire Tribe under section 4A and B.

3050
04:48:54,300 --> 04:48:55,660
Okay, how do we vote?

3051
04:48:56,760 --> 04:48:56,880
Aye.

3052
04:48:57,220 --> 04:48:57,340
Aye.

3053
04:48:58,100 --> 04:48:58,840
All right.

3054
04:48:59,120 --> 04:49:07,280
As we transition, thank you for the public for joining in and we will not send you next

3055
04:49:07,280 --> 04:49:10,980
week, but the week after we will be in a work session and we will be on Zoom.

3056
04:49:11,380 --> 04:49:12,080
So, thank you.

3057
04:49:13,340 --> 04:49:14,300
Recording stopped.

3058
04:49:31,470 --> 04:49:32,230
Okay, we've back in business.

3059
04:49:32,870 --> 04:49:32,950
Great.

3060
04:49:34,110 --> 04:49:34,470
All right.

3061
04:49:38,100 --> 04:49:44,640
D, where we just discussed a memorandum of an understanding on funding and cost share with

3062
04:49:44,640 --> 04:49:46,840
the town of Telluride under citation for AB.

3063
04:49:47,140 --> 04:49:53,460
That's for the Diamond Ridge property, and now it would entertain a motion,

3064
04:49:55,600 --> 04:49:56,500
which would

3065
04:49:56,500 --> 04:49:59,960
be to approve manager signature on set.

3066
04:50:03,340 --> 04:50:15,040
Any further discussion? Seeing none, how do you vote? Aye. Aye. Anything else for this lovely Wednesday?

3067
04:50:17,480 --> 04:50:18,320
Seeing none?

3068
04:50:19,400 --> 04:50:21,780
consider ourselves at your end.

3069
04:50:24,600 --> 04:50:25,260
Thank you.

3070
04:50:25,540 --> 04:50:26,040
Thank you.

3071
04:50:26,280 --> 04:50:27,020
Great to see you.

3072
04:50:33,400 --> 04:50:34,360
Recording stopped.

3073
04:50:58,040 --> 04:51:00,000
I'm going to be talking again about

3074
04:51:00,000 --> 04:51:02,040
a potential ballot initiative

3075
04:51:02,040 --> 04:51:04,040
at least for the lodging tax.

3076
04:51:05,600 --> 04:51:06,120
Is there a set?

3077
04:51:07,580 --> 04:51:08,880
We're going to talk today about

3078
04:51:08,880 --> 04:51:09,920
ballot initiative.

3079
04:51:10,480 --> 04:51:10,580
Oh!

3080
04:51:10,860 --> 04:51:11,860
And Hillary mentioned it.

3081
04:51:12,060 --> 04:51:13,520
We just pushed it again and

3082
04:51:13,520 --> 04:51:14,160
talked about ballot.