1 00:00:05,620 --> 00:00:06,380 All 2 00:00:09,710 --> 00:00:26,450 right, we'll call the meeting of the San Miguel County Open Space Commission on October 28 to order at 405. And we have four members present. We have Jason Merritt, separate maples, Joanna, 3 00:00:27,030 --> 00:00:29,210 Mr. Canal and Susie St. 4 00:00:29,370 --> 00:00:32,770 Orange and Janet Kask and the doggy. 5 00:00:34,210 --> 00:00:36,170 And Rudy should be a voting member. 6 00:00:36,390 --> 00:00:39,060 Rudy, yeah. 7 00:00:39,180 --> 00:00:40,260 Rudy puts in more hours. 8 00:00:40,380 --> 00:00:42,580 Probably as many hours as Janet does. 9 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:44,780 Yeah, no choice. 10 00:00:45,700 --> 00:00:46,120 Yeah. 11 00:00:46,340 --> 00:00:49,780 So Susie, since we are one member away from a quorum, 12 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,600 we can't approve the meeting minutes from 9.23. 13 00:00:53,600 --> 00:01:00,700 But at the same time, if people have comments, edits, revisions, I had a few edits myself. 14 00:01:01,900 --> 00:01:07,000 You know, we can certainly discuss them and go over edits if people have changes. 15 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:10,000 Anyone have any mentioned or comment about the nets? 16 00:01:11,220 --> 00:01:13,220 I was unable to open them earlier. 17 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:21,960 So I didn't look at them because there was an issue with my software to open it. 18 00:01:21,960 --> 00:01:31,050 So yeah, I mean, my only changes were very minor just where Greg has approval of the 722 and 826 19 00:01:31,050 --> 00:01:37,110 meeting minutes. I just put in there. I like to put in like who made the motion, who seconded, 20 00:01:37,830 --> 00:01:43,690 you know, just for our records, you know, and then obviously they were both approved, but I just 21 00:01:43,690 --> 00:01:49,330 like to add in that detail. And then a bulk of the minutes were pertaining to the San Juan 22 00:01:49,330 --> 00:01:56,030 sky we've seen by way update that Angela provided. So I guess I would look to her for comments 23 00:01:56,030 --> 00:02:02,490 on that. And a couple of other things are just minor things, commas, periods, you know, more 24 00:02:04,050 --> 00:02:10,350 grammatical edits as opposed to actual content. Okay. And Angela did say she would read it. Maybe 25 00:02:12,250 --> 00:02:20,210 maybe email her and ask her to evaluate that part of it for us. Jason, did you 26 00:02:20,210 --> 00:02:27,430 have any comment about the minutes? Okay, and Joanna? I thought they were okay 27 00:02:27,430 --> 00:02:32,230 fine ready to go. I like that they were, if you did go into quite a bit of 28 00:02:32,230 --> 00:02:34,750 detail about that. Yeah. Highway thing. 29 00:02:37,270 --> 00:03:02,210 Okay, we'll move on. Valley floor parking lot and bike path. Is there some new news there? Oh, you would request that that be added to the agenda. So I didn't know what you wanted to mention about that. Okay. All right. I didn't know if that's what that was that. So, um, I was we had talked about this before and I can't remember one context, but just trying to get from the 30 00:03:02,210 --> 00:03:05,730 the San Miguel County Parking out there by the gas station. 31 00:03:06,730 --> 00:03:08,330 And then over to the Valley Floor. 32 00:03:08,450 --> 00:03:10,970 Now it's a huge bummer that you can't park 33 00:03:11,640 --> 00:03:13,510 by the Valley Floor on the highway there anymore. 34 00:03:14,850 --> 00:03:19,030 And C-DOT took that away, but we talked about a connector. 35 00:03:19,410 --> 00:03:23,350 And I was in some conversation a couple weeks ago, 36 00:03:23,390 --> 00:03:29,220 I think on a hike about asking loss and resonance 37 00:03:29,860 --> 00:03:32,380 to put in a connector trail. 38 00:03:32,920 --> 00:03:38,720 and a light bulb went on and I said well county's talked about doing that and I 39 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:47,980 I'm aware that Lawson homeowners have a good hunk of money to do that and if 40 00:03:47,980 --> 00:03:52,200 we were going to do it anyway I mean coming from our county lot there needs to 41 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:57,740 be a safe way for you know get on your bike when you park there I mean I've 42 00:03:57,740 --> 00:04:02,220 done that leaving my car to be fixed and then get on my bike and it'd be nice 43 00:04:02,220 --> 00:04:06,260 to have a connector path from right across from there, or 44 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,760 well, there's a bridge that type of that business to connect to that. 45 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,940 Oh, you mean in loss in somewhere that you don't have to get on the highway? 46 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:18,580 Well, yeah, like where the the intercept parking is. 47 00:04:18,740 --> 00:04:24,420 Yeah, to either cross there or come over the hill, probably not. 48 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:30,740 Cross there and have an off the road path to get to that under paths. 49 00:04:30,740 --> 00:04:38,020 I see the same. Yeah, it's a short piece. Yeah, very short. Yeah, we're we add on that. 50 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:42,220 Well, what I was going to say is, let me check in with Rich Hamilton. 51 00:04:44,300 --> 00:04:46,840 Hang on, I'm writing and thinking and talking at the same time. 52 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:54,320 Because Rich, not only is obviously our park supervisor and very much involved with county trail 53 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:59,900 planning, but he's also a resident of Lawson Hill. And I know they have had 54 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:29,980 Some recent meetings out there discussing trails and et cetera. So, let me, he's on vacation, but he does return tomorrow. So, let me just check in with him and see if he has any updates on either side of the fence. Be it through the Lawson Hill HOA or, you know, just any conversations that have been taking place. Because yeah, because we've had a whole thing going on recently, which still needs to be clarified. But, you know, there was some litigation out there. 55 00:05:29,980 --> 00:05:37,780 there as far as the trails, the Galpin Goose and that whole area and even, you know, the 56 00:05:37,780 --> 00:05:44,120 Keystone Gorge Loop Trail as far as how it relates to ESA animals and the right to have 57 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:50,480 a service dog in that area, you know, we've had challenges in the past because there 58 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:57,100 is a conservation easement out there with the nature conservancy and I have placed a number 59 00:05:57,100 --> 00:06:02,280 of calls to our nature conservancy rep and also our U.S. Forest Service rep just wanted 60 00:06:02,280 --> 00:06:08,260 to get their take on some of these potential plans that might be moving forward as far 61 00:06:08,260 --> 00:06:13,680 as access with dogs and how we deal with that. Because again, the conservation easement 62 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:23,220 with the nature conservancy has always, yeah, it's focused on wildlife and you know in that 63 00:06:23,220 --> 00:06:26,020 That whole purpose is to not have dogs in that area. 64 00:06:26,740 --> 00:06:31,480 And I know in the past when we've mentioned incidents and situations, finding residents 65 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:37,340 on the trail with dogs, they haven't been very happy about it, which is why each summer 66 00:06:37,340 --> 00:06:44,400 I test our summer wreck ranger crew with US Forest Service in educating our trail users out 67 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:50,100 in that area about the do's and don'ts of that trail and again that whole area as it pertains 68 00:06:50,100 --> 00:06:51,240 to the conservation easement. 69 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:57,180 And so I will take him with Rich and report back as far as this potential trail connector 70 00:06:57,180 --> 00:06:58,700 that you're talking about, Susie. 71 00:06:58,860 --> 00:07:02,660 But weren't we talking about it from our end a couple of years ago? 72 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:10,500 We haven't talked about it, but I honestly don't recall where that led or where, you know, 73 00:07:10,780 --> 00:07:11,920 how that was left off. 74 00:07:12,740 --> 00:07:13,000 Okay. 75 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,740 And there's nothing we can do about the valley for parking. 76 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:16,860 That's just... 77 00:07:16,860 --> 00:07:17,120 Yeah. 78 00:07:17,220 --> 00:07:18,060 That's C.Dont. 79 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:19,260 And they took that away. 80 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:26,340 and they can't cut in there because of the conservation easement so yeah we yeah we've got a few 81 00:07:26,340 --> 00:07:32,680 challenges in that area okay should be a pretty quick agenda here galloping goose update future 82 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:41,620 plans for the galloping goose and the gg park yes so I wanted to just bring you guys into the 83 00:07:41,620 --> 00:07:47,940 conversation so the galloping goose park which is what we call it which is the pocket park right here 84 00:07:47,940 --> 00:07:52,240 between the Mier Monty building and the historic courthouse. 85 00:07:53,180 --> 00:07:57,260 I've been meeting with the Telluride Volunteer Fire District 86 00:07:57,260 --> 00:08:01,240 over the train because the train, Galpincus number four, 87 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:03,200 it didn't come back at all this year. 88 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:09,040 And it's been down in Ridgeway and if any of you go down to Ridgeway on a weekend, 89 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,540 typically you can get a ride on it on a Saturday. 90 00:08:13,460 --> 00:08:16,540 So the Telluride Volunteer Fire District, 91 00:08:16,540 --> 00:08:29,880 They are going to retain ownership of that train, but they're going to keep it in Ridgeway because and I understand their argument and honestly I totally agree with it. I mean, they've made a huge investment in the train itself. 92 00:08:31,700 --> 00:08:38,260 Engine repairs, structural repairs and the train is up and running and they'd like to keep it that way. 93 00:08:38,260 --> 00:08:42,840 And, you know, we both agree, I haven't discussed this yet with the Historical Commission because 94 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:49,140 this literally just came about last Thursday, but, you know, they figure that people can 95 00:08:49,140 --> 00:08:53,520 more appreciate its historical significance by actually getting a ride on it and truly 96 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:59,500 enjoying it as opposed to it just being parked in between the two buildings here on Main Street. 97 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:05,800 So we have a couple of options, you know, one thing that the Fire District had recommended 98 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:10,980 or offered, they said, well, you know, we can just leave the tracks in place and maybe 99 00:09:10,980 --> 00:09:18,480 you can find another train. But, you know, to find a train that has local historic significance, 100 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:24,000 I think, is probably not possible. Sure, I can probably call, you know, Durango Silverton 101 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:29,500 and get a caboose or something. But these train, yeah, the train is not going to have any relevance 102 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:38,960 technically to Orb Town, and it's expensive. I think the fire district paid, I don't know, 103 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:45,980 is $7,000 or $10,000 each time they move that train. So the one thing, and again, this 104 00:09:45,980 --> 00:09:50,340 literally just came about last Thursday, so Greg and I were having some preliminary conversations, 105 00:09:50,340 --> 00:09:55,860 and again, I do want to engage Parks and Open Space staff along with the Historical Commission, 106 00:09:55,860 --> 00:09:59,340 but it's just maybe we just have the tracks removed. 107 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:29,820 Let me down with it and then just make it the wonderful park that it already is, but I had issued an RFP a couple of years ago just to revamp the entire park. Get more landscaping in there, leave the picnic tables there full time, maybe add some benches, some additional plantings. Yes, another project that Greg and I are working on is the ADA accessible handicap lift for the courthouse, which is going to be on that side of the building, the west side. 108 00:10:29,820 --> 00:10:34,400 but we are not going forward with a ramp. We're actually going forward with a lift. 109 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:42,980 So it's less intrusive to the actual site and will be more focused on just where the current stair is, the stairway. 110 00:10:43,740 --> 00:10:48,980 So, you know, I unfortunately had to remove one of the trees already out there 111 00:10:48,980 --> 00:10:56,620 and we are working on the state with this as far as meeting the ADA compliance accessibility guidelines. 112 00:10:56,620 --> 00:11:10,120 But at the same time, you know, we want to we're going to redo the walkway and just, you know, make it more of a welcoming park because even just putting the picnic tables out there, people eat lunch out there every day. 113 00:11:10,580 --> 00:11:17,120 So I think if we added more to it, it would just be utilized more because, you know, the train takes up a lot of space. 114 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:25,920 The only caveat is that the county is working with the town for a potential development 115 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:31,780 of the food and building as far as residential, commercial, you know, again, the affordable 116 00:11:31,780 --> 00:11:32,600 housing mix. 117 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:39,080 So one of the historic sheds that are currently parked behind the food bank or parked position 118 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:44,580 behind the food bank would most likely have to be relocated to the Gallup and Goose Park. 119 00:11:44,580 --> 00:12:03,840 But again, if we look at an overall conceptual plan for that site, I think we can figure out a nice location for one of the Sheds and still make that park site more amenable to everybody for more public usage. 120 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:09,480 So that's the background. I don't know if you guys have comments or thoughts one way or the other. 121 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:14,720 I need thoughts about the Gallup and Goose. I did the train or the park. 122 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:29,620 I saw it up and running. It looked, it was super cute this summer, you know. I mean, it seems like it is sad to see it not be here, but I I can see that making a lot of sense. 123 00:12:29,620 --> 00:12:34,520 It's also parked and covered, right? Like it looks like it's pretty protected and all that. 124 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:41,960 Exactly. Yeah, because the one thing before the volunteer fire district decided to keep it in Ridgeway, 125 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:48,560 full-time. One thing they had requested of me was potentially to build sort of like a structure 126 00:12:48,560 --> 00:12:54,540 over it while it was in the park here which would really take away from the entire park site 127 00:12:54,540 --> 00:12:59,720 because then that would just be a structure and we wouldn't know how big the train actually is 128 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:05,120 because a lot of the snow that comes off of the roof of the mere money building would bury the train 129 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:11,680 and it would literally be as high as the train itself. So that was one of the major reasons why it 130 00:13:11,680 --> 00:13:17,660 was moved to Ridgeway, was just the milder winter, less snow, and the fact that it is covered 131 00:13:18,560 --> 00:13:19,360 and protected. 132 00:13:21,260 --> 00:13:22,260 Welcome, Roger. 133 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:23,720 Good to see you. 134 00:13:25,060 --> 00:13:26,360 I mean, we don't see you. 135 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:27,080 Good to have you. 136 00:13:28,060 --> 00:13:29,360 Sephora, were you going to go on? 137 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:34,140 It's just going to say, if you guys haven't seen it, they have other trains that I didn't see 138 00:13:34,140 --> 00:13:39,840 any of the other trains up and running, but it's pretty cute, and did you say it's free? 139 00:13:41,220 --> 00:13:59,360 Yeah, and they have on Saturdays. I think it might just be the Galpin goose number four that's running, but they do a rail fest in the fall, and it's either in September, October, and when they do the rail fest, which is an entire weekend like extravaganza, all the trains are running. 140 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:07,900 So I've written on every train that is parked underneath that shelter in that protected structure. 141 00:14:08,540 --> 00:14:18,420 I took my son down there one day and I was like we're not going until we ride him home and we did so checking it off your bucket. Exactly. That's my simple bucket list. 142 00:14:19,500 --> 00:14:26,620 I do have a thought on this. I see all the reasons for taking it out of there and I think that makes sense to kind of revamp that part. 143 00:14:27,380 --> 00:14:34,460 But historically, I mean the significance of these were that they used a truck body or. 144 00:14:34,460 --> 00:14:41,980 It was like a converted a converted truck body not a train body in order to fit the narrow gauge 145 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:47,540 And I think you know a lot of that was for being coming up here and coming through 146 00:14:47,540 --> 00:14:54,340 William and making that grade and all that. I think that historic commission should really weigh in on this and maybe 147 00:14:54,340 --> 00:14:59,880 Oh, and I will take an active role about making sure that Ridgeway has 148 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:26,600 As the history of the significance of that and also the significance of coming through LAM and making that, because it is significant to hear, not Ridgeway so much, although I'm sure it rode through Ridgeway. Yeah. So, just so that the historical commission is at and the museum. Have some input into making sure that that history is told. 149 00:15:28,710 --> 00:15:31,050 Is all I care about. I guess. 150 00:15:31,050 --> 00:15:36,630 doesn't have to be here, but I'm glad it's getting more use there and people are writing 151 00:15:36,630 --> 00:15:41,890 it, but I'm sure they have some interpretive signs, but just the import of that. 152 00:15:42,010 --> 00:15:47,910 How that galloping goose train is so different than any other train, I guess, I think they 153 00:15:47,910 --> 00:15:50,090 were doing that elsewhere in the world too, but... 154 00:15:50,650 --> 00:15:56,810 Yeah, there's still what they call it, the flock, because out of the geese, I think there are 155 00:15:56,810 --> 00:16:11,050 six or seven that remain. There's one up in Dolores. I know one is privately owned in California and in the past, so when Ridgeway does their rail fest event each year, you know, they try to gather the geese, the flock, so to speak. 156 00:16:11,530 --> 00:16:20,770 There's always one missing. And again, I think it's the one out in California, but for the most part, you know, and I think one is was destroyed somewhere along the line. 157 00:16:20,770 --> 00:16:28,710 But, you know, they do try to get them all together and just, you know, enjoy that historic, yeah. 158 00:16:29,770 --> 00:16:30,350 Oh, it is. 159 00:16:30,650 --> 00:16:35,250 Sure, did you kind of hear what we're talking about here at the Galloping Goose? 160 00:16:35,790 --> 00:16:41,730 I don't know when you logged on, but okay, in the other comments about the Galloping Goose. 161 00:16:43,150 --> 00:16:48,930 So I think that's a good idea to go ahead on the revamping of the park. 162 00:16:48,930 --> 00:16:52,350 but who has to officially decide that? 163 00:16:52,550 --> 00:16:54,090 You're just gathering input at this point? 164 00:16:54,770 --> 00:16:57,750 Well, I mean, the train isn't coming back period. 165 00:16:58,010 --> 00:16:59,970 So we have no say on that, but it's sort of 166 00:16:59,970 --> 00:17:03,890 when we look at alternatives, be it a replacement train 167 00:17:03,890 --> 00:17:06,650 or just having the tracks removed 168 00:17:07,210 --> 00:17:09,850 and then just going forward with it as a park. 169 00:17:10,550 --> 00:17:13,130 And then just making the most of that space 170 00:17:13,130 --> 00:17:17,230 and just, again, leaving the picnic tables there full time 171 00:17:17,230 --> 00:17:23,930 because those are the picnic tables are from our county fairgrounds up in 172 00:17:23,930 --> 00:17:33,910 Norwood so each year they go back to the fairgrounds because each year we never 173 00:17:33,910 --> 00:17:38,030 knew for sure as a train coming back or isn't it but now that we know for sure it 174 00:17:38,030 --> 00:17:42,850 isn't you know I will leave the picnic tables out there and not return them to 175 00:17:42,850 --> 00:17:48,410 the fairgrounds. But again, it'd be nice to just utilize that space to its full potential. 176 00:17:48,770 --> 00:17:53,090 And it's the tell your right fire department that owns it. Yes, they always have the volunteer 177 00:17:53,090 --> 00:17:58,890 fire department. So what were you saying about the food pantry out there? That has to relocate? 178 00:17:59,810 --> 00:18:05,370 I got a little confused. So behind the food pantry, we have two historic sheds that belong to the 179 00:18:05,370 --> 00:18:15,690 county and one of them the second chance uses for storage and then CSU or 4-H 180 00:18:15,690 --> 00:18:20,710 program divides that up and then in the other one the county we use it for 181 00:18:20,710 --> 00:18:27,730 storage and also the farmers market so both Sheds we divvy up that space but 182 00:18:27,730 --> 00:18:33,870 the county is looking to develop potentially develop the fruit and lot with 183 00:18:33,870 --> 00:18:39,930 the town and you know yes and the food bank most likely would have to be relocated or you know 184 00:18:39,930 --> 00:18:45,610 it's probably going to be mixed use commercial residential to see how that breaks out but we would 185 00:18:46,170 --> 00:18:52,290 you know build out the lot so one of those sheds would have to be moved and one of them would go 186 00:18:52,290 --> 00:19:03,110 into the park itself okay well there's a handy housing spot yeah yeah yeah yeah no I don't mean the 187 00:19:03,110 --> 00:19:08,050 I mean, a lot. Oh, yeah. And that would be the purpose. You know, it's all part of the affordable housing. 188 00:19:08,610 --> 00:19:12,070 You know, sort of like another collaborative project between the county and the town. 189 00:19:12,390 --> 00:19:16,170 But I think it factors into the town's current master plan. 190 00:19:17,130 --> 00:19:22,590 And there are a number of options that are being discussed with associated costs. 191 00:19:23,210 --> 00:19:25,930 So I don't know which option they're going to settle on. 192 00:19:26,010 --> 00:19:30,550 But depending on which one it is, you know, that should might have to move. 193 00:19:30,550 --> 00:19:32,270 and if it does, it'll end up in the park. 194 00:19:33,930 --> 00:19:36,490 Okay, without getting a sidetrack too much, 195 00:19:36,730 --> 00:19:38,110 I just wanted to say Bravo. 196 00:19:38,350 --> 00:19:42,730 And thank you, the Mill Creek Park looks great. 197 00:19:43,430 --> 00:19:44,530 I like to see it too. 198 00:19:44,710 --> 00:19:45,810 I walked out on it. 199 00:19:46,050 --> 00:19:47,130 It just felt great. 200 00:19:47,830 --> 00:19:48,810 And we'll see that separate. 201 00:19:50,210 --> 00:19:51,630 The Mill Creek Park. 202 00:19:52,510 --> 00:19:52,870 Yeah. 203 00:19:53,690 --> 00:19:55,970 I mean, I thought it was perfect. 204 00:19:56,310 --> 00:19:58,130 The picnic tables and whatever. 205 00:19:58,970 --> 00:19:59,970 Yeah, no, thank you. 206 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:29,940 Yeah, Rich and our crew. They built the bridge and Greg and Tom. Yeah, they built the bridge. They put the picnic tables out there. We have a port of potty and we have a trash receptacle. And again, you know, my whole thought was just to provide some community benefit in the interim while the county commissioners still think about what may or may not be utilized on that site. And then, you know, maybe in 2025, I budgeted for us to go forward with the full 207 00:20:29,940 --> 00:20:35,400 blown plans, but I need to revisit that topic with County Commissioners, but for now we're just 208 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:43,300 utilizing it as best we can with the approvals that I received. So yeah, I think it's a nice 209 00:20:43,300 --> 00:20:49,160 space and we had it excavated and there was a rebedged planting which was successful. We took 210 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:53,800 advantage of all the the day loose of the rain in August and timing worked well. 211 00:20:53,800 --> 00:21:02,540 Did we have Suzanne photo and oh Suzanne's already done the full blown media blitz it was all over 212 00:21:02,540 --> 00:21:12,220 social media a couple of weeks ago and you know and on a county website okay okay leopard creek 213 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:24,000 signage yeah I didn't know where leopard creek is okay and on that note so no if you're if you're 214 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:27,700 You're going down 145 and you make the right heading towards Ridgeway. 215 00:21:28,820 --> 00:21:35,440 The Impsum property, excuse me, is that large pullout on the left and on your right is 216 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:40,860 leopard creek and that is BLM land and there's a little trail down there, BLM trail. 217 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:51,180 So years ago, Linda Luther, my predecessor, she had had these large placards, these panels 218 00:21:51,180 --> 00:21:57,680 prepared. I emailed around the details to all of you and you know and at that 219 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:02,180 time I was working with BLM staff and then they had some internal staffing 220 00:22:02,180 --> 00:22:06,200 changes and as I mentioned in my email you know it sort of fell off the radar 221 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:13,340 but BLM has a new regional rep this gentleman Dan Ben Horon who Greg and I met 222 00:22:13,340 --> 00:22:18,780 with recently and anyway we were meeting with him about another topic which 223 00:22:18,780 --> 00:22:25,100 I'll go into a little later, but he, I mentioned these panels to him and said, you know what? 224 00:22:25,300 --> 00:22:27,140 These have been sitting in my office forever. 225 00:22:28,340 --> 00:22:29,860 You know, we need to do something with them. 226 00:22:30,120 --> 00:22:37,200 So he offered up a kiosk, which is very nice because kiosk can be thousands of dollars. 227 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:45,240 And then looking at these panels, you know, there's some things that are not completely accurate. 228 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:50,620 it. I mean the history remains a history that doesn't change but you know like the logos have 229 00:22:50,620 --> 00:22:56,140 changed and some other minor details and yes I'm also going to share this with the Historical Commission 230 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:03,020 but you know they thought that maybe this tied in with the whole San Juan Skyway scenic byway 231 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:10,600 topic so again I emailed it to everybody I guess you know I'm looking for Angela to comment as well 232 00:23:11,220 --> 00:23:20,060 but these are just panels that, you know, we can either do nothing or update these with the proper logo and get them posted. 233 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:27,020 Again, I'm going to chat with the Historical Commission, but I don't know if anybody had any comments when way the other. 234 00:23:28,620 --> 00:23:38,080 And when you think of it, yeah, I mean, two, yeah, all right, well, three of the panels, well, yeah, I guess all the panels have the logos on them. So yeah, regardless, they'd have to be updated. 235 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:39,040 when did you? 236 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:49,260 This morning? Oh yeah. No, I had asked Greg to send it out last Thursday, Friday, 237 00:23:49,460 --> 00:23:55,340 but so I just wanted everybody to get a copy of that. But again, you know, you can, you don't have 238 00:23:55,340 --> 00:24:00,120 to comment at this moment. You know, you can take time to read it. I mean, the panels are pretty 239 00:24:00,120 --> 00:24:08,060 wordy. So I comment, I think that there's just too much. I don't know if people would read 240 00:24:08,060 --> 00:24:15,700 the whole thing. People's attention span these days are very low. So I would just like have it 241 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:30,100 less words, but still say them same topics and all, but it's very very wordy and busy and I don't 242 00:24:30,100 --> 00:24:36,420 One key off thing at the beginning of the trail with three panels on it so you can get a whole sort of lay of the land 243 00:24:36,420 --> 00:24:45,120 Yeah, it would be on the left side so at the pull out itself and then and these would be yeah, and these would be four large panels 244 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,000 They would be over at the M.son parking lot 245 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:55,500 Yeah, well, that's where it was initially planned, but but again if you know in working with the BLM if they say you know 246 00:24:55,500 --> 00:24:58,040 This is going to actually be better down on the trail itself. 247 00:24:58,720 --> 00:24:59,440 Totally fine. 248 00:24:59,620 --> 00:24:59,820 I mean. 249 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:28,400 I am open to whatever they're open to. But, you know, I just want to just share the panel details with you so that, you know, if you did have comments. Here's the galloping goose on there. I think it kind of makes sense to be over at the imps and pull out because so many cars, you know, might pull over and read it, whereas hardly anybody hikes that leopard creek trail. I love it. It does kind of just fade out though. Is that a BLM trailers? Yes, it's BLM. 250 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:48,720 Yeah, I wonder if BLM could, well, a lot of people don't even know it exists because it's tough down. I thought you were talking about a sign to announce that there's a little trailer. Right. That's what I thought that would make sense. So people know that this is the place that you can go like for. Yeah, it's as what is it like a mile. I think it's, yeah, it's very short. 251 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:54,260 two or three cars there maybe. I think that would, can BLM put a little? 252 00:25:55,620 --> 00:25:59,880 Oh, I can certainly recommend it. That trail because it's sort of just dead-ins in the bushes. 253 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:08,140 So these panels are what you already have though, correct? These are already made. They're just sitting 254 00:26:08,140 --> 00:26:13,420 there waiting for a home. It's kind of what I'm talking about. Yes. Yeah, they're in my office and they're 255 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:24,060 Yeah, but they were again they were made years ago. This was something, you know, my predecessor had made and then just passed them on to me. 256 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:37,700 So, but again, you know, this was something that, you know, we tried getting installed at the time, but then our, like I said, our local BLM reps changed and then, you know, their priorities changed and then, you know, these panels have just been sitting there. 257 00:26:37,700 --> 00:26:46,480 So now that we have a new proactive regional gentleman with the BLM, you know, he's more open to getting things done. 258 00:26:47,180 --> 00:26:49,580 And so it was just sort of like getting caught up. 259 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:55,740 And then also just, you know, he was seeing them for the first time and just getting his thoughts on them as well. 260 00:26:56,140 --> 00:27:01,620 So he's supportive, but you know, just wanted like the minor details as far as logos and things like that updated. 261 00:27:01,940 --> 00:27:05,660 But I thought before we make a full blown effort to reprint these things. 262 00:27:05,660 --> 00:27:14,380 And again, you know, I might be able to just be able to do stickers too with the updated logos because you know, we do that a lot with our trail signage. 263 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:23,780 You know, we just put a county sticker on it if it's a pre-existing trail sign as opposed to just reprinting the whole sign just for the sake of updating a logo. 264 00:27:24,460 --> 00:27:28,540 I think this goes great with the whole skyway by the way thing if it's going to be over there. 265 00:27:30,120 --> 00:27:39,340 Yeah, they're pretty neat. I mean, they look really informative and it is a lot of information, but I think people do stop and read that stuff. 266 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:44,920 People are just out here. I mean, it's practically got the sky way on their gateway. 267 00:27:46,340 --> 00:27:49,080 So Laura's got the whole sky way over there. 268 00:27:50,500 --> 00:27:52,400 Yeah, I'd say go for it. 269 00:27:52,820 --> 00:27:53,680 Any other comments? 270 00:27:54,460 --> 00:27:54,900 Yeah, 271 00:27:57,780 --> 00:27:59,840 let the BLM put a little energy in there. 272 00:27:59,900 --> 00:28:00,380 That's great. 273 00:28:00,900 --> 00:28:03,520 Yeah, well, especially since they're offering up a kiosk, 274 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:07,160 which like I said, they alone, you know, the steel and the glass. 275 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,740 I mean, they can be thousands of dollars. 276 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:14,100 So, you know, the fact that they're willing to do sort of like this collaborative project. 277 00:28:14,100 --> 00:28:26,560 I'd love to take them up on that any other comments yeah can I ask when you say the ifson pull out you 278 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:33,880 mean the larger or can area across the highway from the trail correct yes and is that county or 279 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:40,240 BLM's property it's BLM land it is there wasn't illegal 280 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:49,420 go. She haven't on there? House on there? Well the history. Yeah, that and the history of that site, 281 00:28:49,660 --> 00:28:56,080 there was at least one or two gas stations there. There was an auto body shop because I actually 282 00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:06,480 with the EPA grant that I got that I'm working with the EPA with. I actually had the EPA and the BLM 283 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:17,060 Meet at that site just to discuss some options, but you know the EPA grant itself is federal money, and I can't use it on federally owned land. 284 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:29,980 We had been contacted by some constituents who expressed concern about potential contamination because there's a lot of shotgun shells up there. Somebody dumped furniture. I mean, I've been up there with my staff. You know, there was like a mannequin and some other things that are being used as target practice. And so my staff, we were going to clean it up. And I met with the BLM on site again with the EPA reps. And I mentioned that we were going to clean it up. 285 00:30:29,980 --> 00:30:38,080 And I had a day set aside October 8th and on October 7th the BLM contacted me and requested 286 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:43,860 we not do that because they said, you know, based on potential contamination even though 287 00:30:43,860 --> 00:30:48,040 they assured us that the water was fine and that shotgun shells and whatever else existed 288 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,020 on the site were not contaminating the water. 289 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:56,020 The soil itself and the site itself were considered contaminated so they are now hiring a private 290 00:30:56,020 --> 00:31:03,500 firm to handle that cleanup. So they have requested that the county not do anything on the site, 291 00:31:04,060 --> 00:31:13,180 but so they're going to handle that. And one another positive that has come out of this is that 292 00:31:13,700 --> 00:31:18,600 the sheriff's office has been involved in the conversation because they feel that people need a 293 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:24,980 place to shoot and they also need a place to shoot for their deputies as far as training. I mean, 294 00:31:24,980 --> 00:31:41,300 They're not using this site for training, but we're now working with the BLM to find a more appropriate site within the county that the Sheriff's Department can use for their deputies for training and that it can be open to the public for target shooting as well. 295 00:31:42,660 --> 00:31:49,440 So these are things that are in the mix right now. The site will be cleaned up. The BLM has a shortest of that. They are handling it. 296 00:31:49,440 --> 00:32:02,060 They do not want the county to handle that and you know, we will find a more appropriate site for shooting and the BLM said that one thing they are looking at is blocking off that entrance at the bottom. 297 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:13,400 Either the gate or boulders, I mean, we would like boulders because that's a more natural item or element just to prevent people from being able to drive all the way up. 298 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,820 dump furniture and carts of mannequins up there. 299 00:32:18,700 --> 00:32:26,900 So it will be more of a legitimate shooting range? 300 00:32:27,220 --> 00:32:30,680 No, no. So we would relocate. 301 00:32:31,020 --> 00:32:35,100 We would find another site for shooting range because when you think of BLM land, 302 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,320 I mean, it's public land. It is open for any use. 303 00:32:38,860 --> 00:32:40,760 So if you guys wanted to go up there and have a picnic, 304 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:46,700 You are welcome to have a picnic, but obviously knowing people are shooting, you're not going to have a picnic. 305 00:32:47,140 --> 00:32:50,040 So yeah, hearing it. 306 00:32:50,300 --> 00:32:51,060 Oh, it is. 307 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:59,300 I think if it's like a kind of rogue shooting, not really monitored. 308 00:32:59,300 --> 00:33:00,780 You don't even know who's up there. 309 00:33:01,020 --> 00:33:06,180 Well, if they are should be shooting have a gun, they're allowed to have a gun and all these things. 310 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:07,060 That's what I think. 311 00:33:07,060 --> 00:33:11,280 when I hear it going off, I'm like, I hope that person isn't like good to go off and come down 312 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:22,120 here to the trail. So if it is taken to the next step and now is a more official thing, it seems 313 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:27,940 like there should be some more regulation as to. Well, yeah, because we're looking, well again, 314 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:34,860 it's BLM land. So yes, people can go up there and shoot, but what we want to, for the BLM to establish 315 00:33:34,860 --> 00:33:45,020 is a more appropriate site, not near homes and also a better managed site, you know, 316 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:51,740 and a monitored site. And we have the Sheriff's Office involved. So we're going to work collaboratively 317 00:33:51,740 --> 00:33:56,860 together to identify a parcel that's more appropriate. That'll suit everybody's needs. 318 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:02,920 Here's a question. Is anyone allowed to go shoot anywhere on BLM land wherever they walk whenever they feel like? 319 00:34:04,180 --> 00:34:22,540 Well, again, the LM land is public land and it's open for use so I don't know how their website works if you go on a certain parcel and see what's approved for that site but my understanding is if you want to use it, you can use it. 320 00:34:22,540 --> 00:34:36,100 Hmm. I think the sheriff's and marshals have used that target. I don't know. Some they might have, but we're looking for a more appropriate site that would be officially deemed like they are training location. 321 00:34:36,540 --> 00:34:50,140 I think that's great. Move it away from there. There are the official one in Ridgeway across from Corvus also. I believe so. Yeah. I believe so. I was told there. Yeah. There's something in Nucle. I believe Montrose and then in Ridgeway. 322 00:34:51,720 --> 00:34:55,560 Yeah, it'd be important to put it away from anybody's house or anybody's. 323 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,640 Well, just so people don't have to hear that when they're hiking. 324 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,700 These, yeah, these are Greg's notes. 325 00:35:05,300 --> 00:35:11,080 Looks like the materials here. Yes. As Greg says, platform at 326 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:16,620 Browell Falls experience a delay because there was an issue with procuring the steel ibeams needed to 327 00:35:16,620 --> 00:35:22,780 secure the platform to the drilled holes in the rock, R&B oilfield, which is the contractor that was 328 00:35:22,780 --> 00:35:29,000 awarded the contract. They received their material and they estimate the work will resume this week and 329 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,320 and we'll continue until the 31st, 330 00:35:31,540 --> 00:35:34,420 which was the deadline that we stipulated in their contract. 331 00:35:35,240 --> 00:35:36,180 So good news. 332 00:35:38,100 --> 00:35:41,320 And then do we plan to have any kind of official opening? 333 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:43,580 We certainly can. 334 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,440 I don't know, I might look to time that more for the spring 335 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,820 because we've got snow coming this week 336 00:35:50,900 --> 00:35:54,160 and we officially closed the trail December 1st. 337 00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:56,660 So I don't want to get people hyped up and excited 338 00:35:56,660 --> 00:35:58,440 about something where, yes, I call. 339 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,440 Well, use it now because we're closing it down, so. 340 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:03,480 Maybe we should all vote there. 341 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:06,800 Sure. 342 00:36:07,260 --> 00:36:08,500 Our little group. 343 00:36:09,100 --> 00:36:11,100 Yeah, we should go do it as I walk. 344 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:17,320 But I think yeah, to do it when it's not a touristy time. 345 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,860 Right early in the spring, but then now soon can we get up there? 346 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:22,480 Okay, that's good news. 347 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,020 Anybody have anything else on that? 348 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:26,500 Checking it up here. 349 00:36:26,500 --> 00:36:28,500 Iterado Legacy Trail cleanup. 350 00:36:29,100 --> 00:36:37,260 Yeah, so the Iterado Legacy Trail, which is at the east end of the county here, as most 351 00:36:37,260 --> 00:36:44,020 of you know, we had the day loser brain and mudslides and that trail has been out of 352 00:36:44,020 --> 00:36:45,000 commission for a while. 353 00:36:45,820 --> 00:36:51,450 So we did issue an RFP and we just awarded the contract and we have a contractor, Earth 354 00:36:51,450 --> 00:36:58,050 work excavation. And there are a schedule to start in this project next week. They estimated 355 00:36:58,050 --> 00:37:05,250 it'll only take them a week. So we're excited about that. This is something where, you 356 00:37:05,250 --> 00:37:09,730 know, like the county doesn't really have any emergency funds set in place for something 357 00:37:09,730 --> 00:37:13,850 like this. I mean, the county has emergency funding set in place for wildfires, but not 358 00:37:13,850 --> 00:37:19,250 necessarily mudslides. So I had to meet with county commissioners and get their official 359 00:37:19,250 --> 00:37:24,070 go ahead that we could proceed forward with this project and we sort of kind of were sitting 360 00:37:24,070 --> 00:37:29,190 back a bit because you know we just wanted to make sure we weren't going to have any more mudslides 361 00:37:29,190 --> 00:37:35,770 this season so before we invested dollars in a cleanup we wanted to make sure that you know 362 00:37:36,690 --> 00:37:39,650 that the rain had stopped and we could move forward. 363 00:37:42,030 --> 00:37:44,110 I'm wondering about where the tailings, 364 00:37:44,110 --> 00:37:49,730 these additional tailings have gone. Where are the tailings up there from the valley floor? 365 00:37:50,810 --> 00:37:54,250 The tailings from the valley. That's a town thing. I don't know what they're doing there. 366 00:37:55,170 --> 00:38:01,110 Well, they remember they spent two or that last summer moving a truckload after truckload up 367 00:38:01,110 --> 00:38:06,870 to be that area. And then this summer when they put in the bridge, they found more tailings. 368 00:38:07,450 --> 00:38:10,910 So there was a thing in the paper that they were... Oh yeah, that they were going to be hauling 369 00:38:10,910 --> 00:38:16,250 through town wondering where that is related to where we get the flows and stuff. 370 00:38:17,570 --> 00:38:24,570 Yeah, I mean they might have worked out a deal with Iterado for dumping. I mean the mud and debris 371 00:38:24,570 --> 00:38:30,530 that's being removed from the Iterado legacy trail is actually going to the pull out on 145 372 00:38:30,530 --> 00:38:38,970 between mile markers. I believe 56 and 57. So C.Dot has given us approval for the dirt and 373 00:38:38,970 --> 00:38:47,290 rock debris to be distributed on their pullout area. So we're not going east, we're going west. 374 00:38:48,390 --> 00:38:53,330 Well, I just wondered where that does flow. This is because of a mudslide. 375 00:38:53,850 --> 00:38:58,230 Yep. That came down from a rayer gulch. Yeah. And this is second one. 376 00:38:59,190 --> 00:39:04,750 Yeah. We had two concurrent mudslides there. Yeah. And this is, yeah, part of the, I don't even know. 377 00:39:04,750 --> 00:39:12,230 So yeah, this has, this is our second time within two years and, you know, first they 378 00:39:12,230 --> 00:39:16,510 refer to it as like a 500 year flood and 100 year flood, but obviously it's happening 379 00:39:16,510 --> 00:39:17,170 every other year. 380 00:39:17,690 --> 00:39:23,050 So too often for our liking, but, you know, we're dealing with it as best we can. 381 00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:24,510 Okay. 382 00:39:24,670 --> 00:39:27,310 Any other comments about this? 383 00:39:28,230 --> 00:39:30,330 Any other things for the agenda? 384 00:39:31,090 --> 00:39:31,370 Yeah. 385 00:39:31,370 --> 00:39:33,150 So I just have a couple of other quick updates. 386 00:39:33,150 --> 00:39:42,930 So one thing I just wanted to mention when it comes to Mill Creek Park is I'm still working with the town with Zoe Donald the town. 387 00:39:43,330 --> 00:39:47,710 I mean, this is a conversation I started with Scott Robson two years ago. 388 00:39:48,090 --> 00:39:59,610 So finally, town council is going to hear our request for an official tap fee waiver for us to tap into the town's waterline. 389 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:29,720 Which is more in line with their needs for the loss in hill community and some other housing areas. So we're going to be able to take advantage of that. And then just pay for our portion of our electricity needs for the Mill Creek Park site. But some preparing a letter right now that for the county commissioners to officially submit to the town council to make that request official for the tap fee. 390 00:40:29,720 --> 00:40:39,660 waiver. Excellent. And yes, some of the commissioners get to use it for housing. They will have a tap. 391 00:40:41,660 --> 00:40:49,360 That's right. They'll have a water fountain. So that will be probably approved and moved forward. 392 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:57,560 Yes. And the town's timeline is next spring. So fairly soon. Spring 2025 is when they would do that 393 00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:04,400 project and that installation. Good timing, wait and manifest that. So that's to water our pollinators. 394 00:41:05,220 --> 00:41:13,060 Yes. And yeah, and yeah, and we'll have our pollinators, we'll port parties out there, and then we'll 395 00:41:13,060 --> 00:41:21,780 have our bottle refill, water bottle refilling station. So that's what that is for. And then I just 396 00:41:21,780 --> 00:41:26,160 wanted to mention on another note when it comes to the down valley connector trail. 397 00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:33,740 Feasibility Study, you know, the one thing I'd mention to everyone is that, you know, we were pursuing the engineering and design for segments one and five. 398 00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:37,960 So I submitted a concept paper for a GoCo grant last week. 399 00:41:39,380 --> 00:41:51,140 So how that works is, I mean, I've been working with our local GoCo rep and you submit a concept paper, bury them with details and then hope to be invited to the actual grant application process. 400 00:41:51,140 --> 00:42:03,440 us. So concepts were due last week. Applications will be invited November 14th. Applications are due December 16th with grants awarded March of 2025. 401 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:17,080 So our local go-go rep, just preliminary conversation and comments, he said everything looked great, but I won't know for a while on that or at least a couple of weeks. 402 00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:21,640 I will keep you guys in the loop, but fingers crossed that we can get something going with that. 403 00:42:22,260 --> 00:42:25,620 Wow, that's big news. So that was sections one and five. 404 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,360 Yes, engineering and design. Engineering and design. 405 00:42:29,780 --> 00:42:35,680 Right. And then two other quick things I just wanted to mention with our PES program. 406 00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:43,140 So I met with county commissioners and we're going to be renewing the contracts for Chris Hayes and of the Terraform. 407 00:42:43,140 --> 00:42:48,100 and also the Chavano Conservation District to continue with our PES program in our 408 00:42:48,100 --> 00:42:58,340 soil health studies. And I'm going to scan these in, but the Chavano Conservation District has 409 00:42:58,340 --> 00:43:06,120 two events coming up, one in November, one in January, both in Montrose, a farm in ranch, 410 00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:15,660 innovation expo, and then a soil health food and farm forum. So I will scan these in and email them to you 411 00:43:15,660 --> 00:43:20,300 and I'm also going to share them with the Fairboard and the Ag community up in Norwood. 412 00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:28,120 And then I just thought of something else. Now I'm drawing a blank. 413 00:43:34,770 --> 00:43:37,130 Okay, any questions on that? 414 00:43:40,300 --> 00:43:44,620 When is that such a renewed crisis contract? 415 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:51,460 Oh, no, there will both be renewable as of January 1st and go through till December 31st. 416 00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:55,900 So typically what we do is I give them both annual contract renewals and then we meet 417 00:43:55,900 --> 00:43:58,060 with county commissioners each year, provide an update. 418 00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,040 I allocate funding for the following year and then we renew. 419 00:44:02,380 --> 00:44:02,600 Great. 420 00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:10,300 Oh, and one thing I want to mention too is Greg and I were up at the OA Gregor Parcel 421 00:44:10,300 --> 00:44:18,420 on Friday with Star Jamison, our Director of Natural Resources, and the Western Wildfire 422 00:44:18,420 --> 00:44:26,380 Council, West Region Wildfire Council, just to talk about Forest Health, and then the 423 00:44:26,380 --> 00:44:31,020 OA Gregor Parcel itself, and just we have some standing dead trees from Beetlekill. 424 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,980 Funding set aside for that. But, you know, we're talking about wildfire mitigation versus forest health versus our Gunnison sage grass population, because we do have our Zedic structures up there. We do have our Gunnison sage grass population, which has been steadily growing and improving. So that's just something that, again, we were just up there on Friday. And we're going to wait to hear back as far as recommendations and suggestions that they have. 425 00:45:29,980 --> 00:45:36,680 for the parcel because, you know, our thought, too, is opening it up for usage and camping 426 00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:43,700 and overnight stays, you know, yes, we can designate areas where we feel it's safest for 427 00:45:43,700 --> 00:45:49,560 people to camp. But, you know, we are aware of the situation with some of these trees that, 428 00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:55,680 you know, could potentially blow down. And, you know, we want to be proactive as opposed 429 00:45:55,680 --> 00:46:02,620 to reactiv. So I will keep everybody apprised of developments with that. And we do fund 430 00:46:02,620 --> 00:46:08,040 Jason, Dr. Jason C. Bold each year from our community support funding through the Parks 431 00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:14,480 and Open Space Department for his forest health studies. But his focus has primarily been 432 00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:23,960 on the east end with Bear Creek. But I've always been trying to lobby for more focus on 433 00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:28,320 the west end, but I realize that the east end is where we are heavily populated, and 434 00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:33,820 God forbid we have a wildfire. This is where the concern is going to lie, but we will 435 00:46:33,820 --> 00:46:34,540 see where that leads. 436 00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:40,800 So, did you say earlier that there is money budgeted for wildfire, however? 437 00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:47,240 Well, there are emergency funds that the county commissioners set aside each year. I do 438 00:46:47,240 --> 00:46:54,160 not know the amount but for you know like emergency needs that are tied in with wildfire. 439 00:46:55,200 --> 00:47:00,020 I think this would fit that especially if we get Jason Syville to say so as long as with 440 00:47:00,020 --> 00:47:07,860 the wildfire council yeah say that would be no now there's a helicopter and they're doing a lot of 441 00:47:07,860 --> 00:47:14,200 removal of standing dead in mountain village apparently I've heard mountain village has a kind of 442 00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:25,060 more modern advance, you know, open space, not open space, but land use codes about the fire and 443 00:47:25,060 --> 00:47:34,320 the standing dead that we, I've heard, should be adopting here in Teleride. The similar land use 444 00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:40,520 codes to that. Have we talked, I don't know if that's something that the planning department would 445 00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:44,720 handle so I'd have to consult with them. Yeah, I mean, because I know we're 446 00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:48,660 looking at lazy use codes for the mining, maybe it should be actually reviewed 447 00:47:48,660 --> 00:47:53,220 to concerns for a wildfire here and mitigation. I mean, there that's 448 00:47:53,220 --> 00:47:56,960 expensive work they're doing with helicopter single. Oh, it's very expensive. 449 00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:01,840 Once they feel like it's worth it, because you know, it would it's going to stop 450 00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:07,300 any massive spread of a fire that might break out. So now I know which has a full 451 00:48:07,300 --> 00:48:14,480 time. They have a full-time forestry person whereas the county does not. And they're very connected with 452 00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:21,240 the whole tribal forest study and they've been really proactive and spend a lot of money on their 453 00:48:21,940 --> 00:48:28,320 trees up there and ask for what they did here. But that's a good idea. I think that we could just 454 00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:32,800 to revisit it as we have a plan. Yeah, future while while fire 455 00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:38,260 with the game. If there's budget for that. Because it seems 456 00:48:38,260 --> 00:48:40,880 like if you guys have noticed on this side of this hill, there's 457 00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:45,840 just more and more dead, um, standing dead to some side of 458 00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:50,760 Bear Creek, um, and it's getting a little concerning. Well, 459 00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,140 and a big concern too, is that, you know, from the Valley 460 00:48:54,140 --> 00:49:00,660 floor up that hillside to those homes that exist at the top, you know, they've given estimates 461 00:49:00,660 --> 00:49:05,920 that God forbid there was a wildfire on the valley floor. I think they've given a time frame of 462 00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:11,220 five or ten minutes with which that fire would move up that hillside and take out those houses. 463 00:49:11,860 --> 00:49:18,200 So yeah, it's being proactive as opposed to reactive while we can, you know, anybody can go on the 464 00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:25,920 county website and find our horse health study and Jason Cybel has. There's maps on there, 465 00:49:25,940 --> 00:49:33,740 there's a great interactive map and where you can, you know, pull the bar along and see the forest 466 00:49:33,740 --> 00:49:41,160 in this area from the past into the future. And yeah, Jason's just blown away that we haven't had 467 00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:47,460 any problems yet because it's right over the hill there. With the, you know, beetle, beetle kelp. 468 00:49:47,460 --> 00:49:59,700 Yeah. Um, which is just like, and then Hillary has said from studying with Jason that in the future, we won't have maybe dead for here would be the only ever green lap that. 469 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:25,520 We're preparing ourselves that it's going to be gone. I mean, maybe not in our election, I said. Well, and that's why we do our fair amount packs, our p-pack deployment each, you know, spring, you know, and yeah, we've been focusing primarily on the Douglas firs, but yeah, there are other species out there that are all targeted and vulnerable, especially with the drought. But the reason the Doug for were hard is because they're the ones that are most likely to survive. Exactly. 470 00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:33,700 They're I don't know if they're heartier or or drought resistant. I don't know that they're that's why we're trying to save the Doug for. 471 00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,720 So it's a whole big story. I think it's a great story. 472 00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:39,160 Yeah. 473 00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:47,740 What this county's trying to do in the town and the forest service and spend a long, a long while, but that I think it's worth going on because it's. 474 00:50:48,420 --> 00:50:57,360 There's a lot of really cool science and maps and study on forced health on the only website 475 00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:57,780 with that. 476 00:50:58,040 --> 00:50:58,360 Exactly. 477 00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,720 Yeah, and I believe we updated that too. 478 00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:07,700 So yeah, check that out because it's under natural resources. 479 00:51:08,380 --> 00:51:12,060 It's not under parks and open space, but you'll see the forest health studies. 480 00:51:12,740 --> 00:51:16,640 And like Susie said, Jason Sebel's comments. 481 00:51:17,260 --> 00:51:28,420 So I have a question about this. Is it 1B or 2B? That's the open space housing open space commission's budget to go to housing on the election right now? 482 00:51:29,140 --> 00:51:32,600 Oh, I honestly don't know the ballot measure number. 483 00:51:32,780 --> 00:51:41,260 Can you want to lay or something like that? Anyway, that's the one I'm talking about is that I've gotten a good handful of people calling and asking. 484 00:51:41,260 --> 00:51:43,740 And what do I think about this? 485 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,280 And I said, well, we have extra money in the budget 486 00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,280 and it's been determined that there's so much 487 00:51:49,720 --> 00:51:52,400 that we can afford to give up the amount 488 00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:53,440 that they've determined. 489 00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,680 So I'm advising people to vote, yes, but I wonder, 490 00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:00,040 I mean, I kind of wish we would have had, 491 00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:04,080 we could have put something in the paper from the open 492 00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:07,320 because it's coming from our budget that we could have. 493 00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:17,060 Well, was there something to educate people about this and how the budget works and how we can we've had surplus money and all that? 494 00:52:18,060 --> 00:52:29,820 Well, it's interesting because, you know, we all got our blue ballot measure booklet, you know, with all the state and the federal and, you know, everything in there, but, you know, the local county ballot measures were not included. 495 00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:35,600 And again, I don't know if they ever are, but there was a good article on the planet 496 00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:40,520 last week, which kind of gave a lot of detail as far as the measure itself. 497 00:52:41,660 --> 00:52:46,700 What the county's outreach has been, I honestly don't know if they've posted things on the 498 00:52:46,700 --> 00:52:47,100 website. 499 00:52:47,340 --> 00:52:55,000 I know that Commissioner Brown and Brown has talked about these topics in her meetings with 500 00:52:55,000 --> 00:53:01,200 like the Democratic women's caucus and some of the other meetings where the candidates 501 00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:09,480 up for election are discussing these items and initiatives, but in looking at the 502 00:53:10,660 --> 00:53:17,200 park's fund balance, we do, as I mentioned at the previous meeting, we have had a healthy 503 00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:20,400 fund balance in the previous years. 504 00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:29,420 So when you look at how much might be allocated towards affordable housing, it's not something 505 00:53:29,420 --> 00:53:35,020 that's going to threaten the operations of the Parks and Open Space Department or any 506 00:53:35,020 --> 00:53:39,720 of the divisions that we have or any of our project initiatives because as I mentioned at our 507 00:53:39,720 --> 00:53:47,640 last meeting. You know, we went forward with a regular budget. I mean, I did not remove 508 00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:55,340 anything based on this ballot initiative effort. I still highlighted all of our current 509 00:53:55,340 --> 00:54:02,140 active future proposed projects funding that would be allocated for it. Potential grants 510 00:54:02,140 --> 00:54:04,780 and some pursuing match and fund requirements. 511 00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,100 So as I said at our last meeting, 512 00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,900 I am moving forward business as usual, so to speak, 513 00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:18,780 and not changing anything as far as what our plans are 514 00:54:18,780 --> 00:54:21,540 on the horizon, be it for projects, be it for staffing. 515 00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:27,200 So, I mean, we'll see, again, it's in the voter's hands, 516 00:54:27,420 --> 00:54:31,300 we'll see what happens, but I don't feel 517 00:54:31,300 --> 00:54:37,300 that having some of that funding set aside for a housing effort is going to 518 00:54:37,300 --> 00:54:42,680 jeopardize the Parks and Urban Space Department or any of our projects moving 519 00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:50,540 forward. Yeah, that wasn't really thinking that. Did anybody else get asked about 520 00:54:57,750 --> 00:54:59,970 Okay, well they're like I said and you can 521 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:26,440 Daily Planet had a pretty good article last week that really delved into details as far as how the funding breaks out and percentages for this, percentages for that. And, I mean, it was an all-inclusive article, not just focused on this, but it did provide some helpful details for those who might not understand. Yeah. That's good. Okay. So I was thinking about inviting some people that were the original. 522 00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:35,980 you know, uh, involve people in the high country zone for an upcoming meeting to be able to explain it all to us and get the history of it. 523 00:55:36,260 --> 00:55:39,040 Is that sound like something people might be interested in? 524 00:55:40,060 --> 00:55:45,460 Because I know the tell your eye open space is also interested in possibly that. 525 00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:49,160 So if I do get April Montgomery would be the one because she's. 526 00:55:49,240 --> 00:55:52,240 I was just going to say it was the one. Yeah, who would you invite? 527 00:55:52,240 --> 00:55:59,220 Yeah, Garrett, maybe Gary Hifox and April Montgomery and maybe Lance. I don't know. I think Lance was around for that. 528 00:56:00,820 --> 00:56:05,380 It was actually, I don't know, it was one of the first things the Open Space Commission did. 529 00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:12,640 So I'll proceed that a little bit and then I would also just ask our commission to 530 00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,040 look at our work plan, which is our checklist. 531 00:56:17,780 --> 00:56:22,000 Look it over and see kind of what things we have accomplished and 532 00:56:22,240 --> 00:56:25,740 and what things we want to put on the next couple of genders. 533 00:56:26,420 --> 00:56:29,820 And we will be needing to update that work plan again. 534 00:56:30,540 --> 00:56:30,680 Yes. 535 00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:31,300 What's happening? 536 00:56:31,900 --> 00:56:32,860 Whatever you are. 537 00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:35,860 Roger, are you OK? 538 00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,360 Yeah, and also, I mentioned this at the last meeting. 539 00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:46,460 I'll also check in with Case Simonson, 540 00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:49,100 because I know everybody wanted to receive an update 541 00:56:49,980 --> 00:56:54,180 on as far as the lane use codes and certain things 542 00:56:54,180 --> 00:57:00,740 being proposed. She said she'd be ready in the fall. So she didn't have anything for tonight, 543 00:57:00,740 --> 00:57:06,820 but I'll check in with her because our next meeting is November 18th. So I'll see if she's going to 544 00:57:06,820 --> 00:57:14,140 have anything to present to us at that time. Great. And I think, Joanne, I think your idea of the 545 00:57:14,140 --> 00:57:18,620 land use code for fire, that is, I mean, we're looking in the future because I'm thinking of a couple 546 00:57:18,620 --> 00:57:27,920 things right now. One is that if if our budget is shortened, if we don't have money to go to 547 00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:31,060 something like that. I mean, we don't know what we're going to encounter in the future. 548 00:57:31,980 --> 00:57:38,440 Well then, it fires one of them. I think I'm just, I'm not sound in any alarms. I'm just saying 549 00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:43,040 between the land use code, looking at that and comparing what mountain village is doing. 550 00:57:43,220 --> 00:57:47,000 Right. And then I'll also look back into it. 551 00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:50,960 And that would be a larger initiative, so that wouldn't come from our budget. 552 00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,340 Okay, Roger, are you okay? We heard a little bang there. 553 00:58:00,380 --> 00:58:01,320 Are you okay? 554 00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:04,800 I'm hearing noises. Are you guys hearing that? 555 00:58:05,500 --> 00:58:06,780 I don't hear anything now. 556 00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:09,800 Roger? 557 00:58:10,780 --> 00:58:14,120 Well, he is on mute down there. Yeah, he's on mute. 558 00:58:19,220 --> 00:58:19,940 We'll get him a call. 559 00:58:21,340 --> 00:58:26,000 Okay, well, if there's no further... Roger, are you okay? I see you're in muted now. 560 00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:27,980 Oh, he was for a second. 561 00:58:28,740 --> 00:58:29,320 You okay Roger? 562 00:58:31,380 --> 00:58:31,980 Yeah, 563 00:58:34,350 --> 00:58:35,250 I'm awful. 564 00:58:37,070 --> 00:58:38,750 Yeah, he has a root. 565 00:58:40,130 --> 00:58:46,570 Okay, so yeah, as mentioned, our next meeting is Monday, November 18th at four o'clock. 566 00:58:46,870 --> 00:58:48,990 That is the week before Thanksgiving. 567 00:58:54,130 --> 00:58:56,230 So thanks for your time tonight. 568 00:58:56,430 --> 00:58:57,190 Good to see everybody. 569 00:58:57,190 --> 00:59:07,610 And yeah, if anybody has any comments about anything we discussed or didn't discuss of course, well, let me know because I realize it's a lot to digest with information and details. 570 00:59:08,590 --> 00:59:14,730 So don't hesitate to reach out before we adjourn with Roger. We do have a form of corn now. 571 00:59:16,030 --> 00:59:20,070 We have a form now. We have a form. We actually do. 572 00:59:20,070 --> 00:59:30,510 Roger can hear us. Roger we're going to vote on the minutes of 923 and so you're unmuted from Roger we're going to sorry I could not get my audio. 573 00:59:31,430 --> 00:59:33,310 Okay well you could communicate that way. 574 00:59:34,310 --> 00:59:48,170 Did you get a chance to see the minutes of 923 we have a few edits and revisions on that so anybody have a motion to approve those minutes with those stated. 575 00:59:52,670 --> 00:59:53,430 I 576 00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:59,520 can move to approve the minutes from. 577 01:00:05,100 --> 01:00:08,200 And Roger, if you could text us your vote on that, 578 01:00:10,740 --> 01:00:17,180 we saw your text come up on the screen. Yeah, in the chat box. Oh, in the chat box. 579 01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:22,940 What do we do here now? 580 01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:25,760 Oh, 581 01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:34,940 Roger, you could just put a thumbs up on that little thing. Yeah, you can raise your hand, and we can consider the thumbs up. 582 01:00:37,250 --> 01:00:46,490 Oh hang on hang on chat. I could not get my audio so Roger we were able to see your chat right in 583 01:00:46,490 --> 01:00:47,530 that. Yeah. 584 01:00:52,500 --> 01:00:54,780 Okay well why don't we put a tentative yes. 585 01:00:56,880 --> 01:01:00,420 And otherwise I can't even read that with my 586 01:01:00,420 --> 01:01:06,620 glasses. Do you approve of the nine to my three minutes? Okay perfect. Put that in. Oh I just 587 01:01:06,620 --> 01:01:14,200 just take that. It's a Roger. Okay. Yeah, Roger, I just, uh, I responded to you in 588 01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:22,840 the chat box. So if you want to respond back with a yay RNA, let us know. Oh, this modern 589 01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:23,280 world. 590 01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:32,820 Otherwise, you can follow up with an email tube. Okay. All right. Well, without 591 01:01:32,820 --> 01:01:42,640 for the review. We'll figure this out later. I will, it's five oh four less than an hour 592 01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:51,960 meeting. We are efficient, a well-oiled machine. Thanks all for coming. We'll see you in November. 593 01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:58,660 Yeah, thanks everyone. Have a good night. I guess. I care. Bye.