1 00:00:09,310 --> 00:00:20,010 All right, we'll call the meeting of the San Miguel County Open Space Commission on October 28, to order at 4-0-5. 2 00:00:20,710 --> 00:00:23,310 And we have four members present. 3 00:00:23,510 --> 00:00:26,110 We have Jason Merritt, Separate Mapals, 4 00:00:26,290 --> 00:00:29,430 Joanna, Mr. Canal, and Susie St. 5 00:00:29,430 --> 00:00:33,450 Onch, and Janet Cask, and the doggy. 6 00:00:34,290 --> 00:00:36,310 And it really should be a voting member. 7 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:42,980 Rudy puts in more of our probably as many hours as Janet does. 8 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:44,940 Yeah, no choice. 9 00:00:46,020 --> 00:00:49,920 Yes, Susie, since we are one member away from a quorum, 10 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:56,540 We can't, a part of the meeting minutes from 9.23, but at the same time, if people have 11 00:00:56,540 --> 00:01:03,840 comments, edits, revisions, I had a few edits myself, you know, we can certainly discuss them 12 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:07,220 and go over edits if people have changes. 13 00:01:07,860 --> 00:01:10,460 Anyone have any mention or comment about the nets? 14 00:01:11,320 --> 00:01:15,920 I was able to open them earlier, so I didn't look at them. 15 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:22,200 I think I was there was an issue with my software to open it, 16 00:01:24,330 --> 00:01:25,370 so yeah, I mean, my only 17 00:01:25,370 --> 00:01:31,930 changes were a very minor, just where Greg has approval of the 722 and 826 meeting minutes. 18 00:01:32,630 --> 00:01:33,510 I just put in there. 19 00:01:33,510 --> 00:01:40,050 I like to put in like who made the motion, who seconded, you know, just for our records, 20 00:01:41,150 --> 00:01:45,390 you know, and then obviously they were both approved, but I just like didn't add in that detail. 21 00:01:45,390 --> 00:01:57,390 And then a bulk of the minutes were pertaining to the San Juan skyway scenic byway update that Angela provided so I guess I would look to her for comments on that. 22 00:01:58,570 --> 00:02:07,110 And a couple of other things are just minor things, commas, periods, you know more grammatical edits as opposed to actual content. 23 00:02:07,630 --> 00:02:13,650 Okay, and Angela did say she would read it. Maybe, yeah, maybe email or an ask. 24 00:02:14,910 --> 00:02:15,370 Sure. 25 00:02:16,390 --> 00:02:18,710 But to evaluate that part of it for us. 26 00:02:19,690 --> 00:02:21,890 Jason, did you have any comment about the minutes? 27 00:02:23,350 --> 00:02:24,210 Okay, and Joanna. 28 00:02:25,290 --> 00:02:27,910 I thought they were fine. 29 00:02:28,370 --> 00:02:29,090 Ready to go? 30 00:02:29,450 --> 00:02:31,210 I like that they were free. 31 00:02:31,310 --> 00:02:33,330 If you did go into quite a bit of detail about that. 32 00:02:33,630 --> 00:02:33,810 Yeah. 33 00:02:33,810 --> 00:02:35,250 I think. 34 00:02:37,310 --> 00:02:42,910 Okay, we'll move on. Valley floor parking lot and bike path. Is there some new news there? 35 00:02:43,830 --> 00:02:49,030 Oh, you would request that that be added to the agenda, so I didn't know what you wanted to mention about that. 36 00:02:49,370 --> 00:02:52,890 Okay. All right. I didn't know if that's what that was that. So. 37 00:02:54,530 --> 00:03:06,330 I was we had talked about this before, and I can't remember one context, but just trying to get from the San Miguel County parking out there by the gas station. 38 00:03:06,990 --> 00:03:13,990 And then over to the valley floor. Now it's a huge bomber that you can't park by the valley floor on the highway there anymore. 39 00:03:13,990 --> 00:03:27,320 And Seedot took that away, but we talked about a connector, and I was in some conversation a couple of weeks ago, I think on a hike about asking 40 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:34,840 loss and residents to put in a connector trail. And a light bulb went on and I said, 41 00:03:35,300 --> 00:03:42,960 well, county's talked about doing that. And I'm aware that loss and homeowners have a 42 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:50,220 good hunk of money to do that. And if we were going to do it anyway, I mean coming from 43 00:03:50,220 --> 00:03:56,560 our county lot, there needs to be a safe way for, you know, get on your bike when you park 44 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:11,080 there. I mean, I've done that, even my card to be fixed, and then get on my bike, and it'd be nice to have a connector path from right across from there or, well, there's a great that I'm going to connect to that. 45 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:25,360 Oh, you mean, in Los and somewhere that you don't have to get on the highway. Well, yeah, like where the the intercept parking is, yeah, to either cross there or come over the hill probably not. 46 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:30,360 Cross there and have an off-the-road path to get to that underpass. 47 00:04:31,060 --> 00:04:32,280 I see a thing. 48 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:34,160 Yeah, it's a short piece. 49 00:04:34,500 --> 00:04:35,700 Yeah, it's very short. 50 00:04:36,060 --> 00:04:36,240 Yeah. 51 00:04:36,460 --> 00:04:36,760 We'll cycle. 52 00:04:37,180 --> 00:04:38,500 Where are we at on that? 53 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,620 Well, what I was going to say is let me check in with Rich Hamilton. 54 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,400 Hang on, I'm writing and thinking and talking at the same time. 55 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:54,900 Because Rich not only is obviously our park supervisor and very much involved with county trail planning, 56 00:04:54,900 --> 00:04:59,980 but he's also a resident of Lawson Hill and I know they have heads. 57 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:08,020 Some recent meetings out there discussing trails and etc. So let me, he's on vacation, but he does return tomorrow. 58 00:05:09,020 --> 00:05:17,070 So let me just check in with him and see if he has any updates on either side of the fence, be it through the Lawson Hill HOA or 59 00:05:17,940 --> 00:05:21,000 you know, just any conversations that haven't taken place. 60 00:05:22,660 --> 00:05:27,600 Because, yeah, because we've had a whole thing going on recently, which still needs to be clarified. 61 00:05:28,460 --> 00:05:33,420 But, you know, there was some litigation out there, as far as the trails, the Gallup and Goose, 62 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:42,540 and that whole area, and even, you know, the Keystone Gorge Loop Trail, as far as how it relates to ESA animals, 63 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:47,100 and the way to have a service dog in that area. 64 00:05:47,100 --> 00:05:52,420 you know we've had challenges in the past because there is a conservation easement out there 65 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:58,840 with the nature conservancy and I have placed a number of calls to our nature conservancy 66 00:05:58,840 --> 00:06:05,660 rep and also our U.S. Forest Service rep just wanted to get their take on some of these potential 67 00:06:05,660 --> 00:06:10,760 plans that might be moving forward as far as access with dogs and how we deal with that 68 00:06:11,580 --> 00:06:15,740 because again the conservation easement with the nature conservancy has always 69 00:06:20,340 --> 00:06:33,080 It's focused on wildlife, and that whole purpose is to not have dogs in that area, and I know in the past when we've mentioned incidents and situations finding residents on the trail with dogs. 70 00:06:33,740 --> 00:06:39,140 They haven't been very happy about it, which is why each summer I task our summer wreck 71 00:06:39,140 --> 00:06:46,220 Ranger crew with US Forest Service in educating our trail users out in that area about the 72 00:06:46,220 --> 00:06:48,240 deduzen don'ts of that trail. 73 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,360 And again, that whole area as it pertains to the conservation easement. 74 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:57,820 So I will stick in with Rich and report back as far as this potential trail connector that you're 75 00:06:57,820 --> 00:06:58,820 talking about, Susie. 76 00:06:58,820 --> 00:07:02,800 So, weren't we talking about it from our end a couple of years ago? 77 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:10,760 We had talked about it, but I honestly don't recall where that lead or where, you know, 78 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:12,300 how that was left off. 79 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,820 Okay, and there's nothing we can do about the valley for a parking. 80 00:07:16,100 --> 00:07:16,920 That's just... 81 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,700 Yeah, that's C-Dod, and they took that away. 82 00:07:21,020 --> 00:07:24,420 And they can't cut in there because of the conservation easement, so. 83 00:07:24,420 --> 00:07:24,680 Yeah. 84 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,840 We, yeah, we've got a few challenges in that area. 85 00:07:28,580 --> 00:07:29,180 Okay. 86 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,240 It should be a pretty quick agenda here. 87 00:07:31,380 --> 00:07:35,760 Galloping goose update, future fans for the Galloping goose and the Gigi park. 88 00:07:36,460 --> 00:07:36,740 Yes. 89 00:07:37,100 --> 00:07:42,480 So I wanted to just bring you guys into the conversation. 90 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:48,800 So the Galloping goose park, which is what we call it, which is the pocket park right here 91 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:55,180 between the Miramonti building and the historic courthouse, I've been meeting with the tell 92 00:07:55,180 --> 00:08:01,040 your I volunteer fire district over the train, because the train in Galpengus number 93 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:07,720 four, it didn't come back at all this year and it's been down in Ridgeway and if any of you 94 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:15,080 go down to Ridgeway on a weekend, typically you can get a ride on it on a Saturday. So the tell 95 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:20,180 volunteer fire district they are going to retain ownership of that train but they're 96 00:08:20,180 --> 00:08:25,240 going to keep it in Ridgeway because and I understand they're argument and honestly I 97 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:32,200 totally agree with it. I mean they've made a huge investment in the train itself. Engine 98 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:38,700 repairs, structural repairs and the train has been running and they'd like to keep it that way. 99 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,900 And you know we both agree I haven't discussed this yet with historical commission because 100 00:08:42,900 --> 00:08:45,660 this literally just came about last Thursday, 101 00:08:47,740 --> 00:08:49,320 but, you know, they figure that people can 102 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:53,680 more appreciate its historical significance by actually getting a ride on it and truly 103 00:08:53,680 --> 00:08:59,680 enjoying it as opposed to it just being parked in between the two buildings here on Main Street. 104 00:09:00,860 --> 00:09:05,900 So we have a couple of options, you know, one thing that the fire district had recommended 105 00:09:05,900 --> 00:09:11,080 or offered, they said, well, you know, we can just leave the tracks in place and maybe 106 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:18,620 can find another train. But, you know, to find a train that has local historic significance, 107 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:24,080 I think is probably not possible. Sure, I can probably call, you know, Durango Silverton 108 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:29,200 and get a caboose or something. But, least train, yeah. The train is not going to have any 109 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:37,100 relevance technically to Arb Town. And, it's expensive. I think the Fire District 110 00:09:37,100 --> 00:09:44,480 paid, uh, I don't know if it's seven or $10,000 each time they move that train. So, um, the 111 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:49,060 one thing, and again, it's literally just came about less Thursday, so Greg and I were 112 00:09:49,060 --> 00:09:54,140 having some preliminary conversations, and again, I do want to engage Parks and Open Space 113 00:09:54,140 --> 00:09:59,340 staff along with the historical commission, but he's just maybe we just have the tracks removed. 114 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:10,240 And then just make it the wonderful park that it already is, but I had issued in our fee a couple of years ago, just to revamp the entire park. 115 00:10:10,340 --> 00:10:18,040 You know, get more landscaping in there, leave the picnic tables there full time, maybe add some benches, some additional plantings. 116 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:29,060 You know, yes, another project that Greg and I are working on is the ADA accessible handicap lift for the courthouse, which is going to be on that side of the building, 117 00:10:29,060 --> 00:10:34,560 the west side, but we are not going forward with a ramp or actually going forward with a lift. 118 00:10:35,180 --> 00:10:40,980 So it's less intrusive to the actual site and will be more focused on just where the current 119 00:10:40,980 --> 00:10:43,280 stair is the stairway. 120 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:49,860 So, you know, I unfortunately had to remove one of the trees already out there and we are 121 00:10:49,860 --> 00:10:56,700 working on the state with this as far as meeting the ADA compliance accessibility guidelines. 122 00:10:56,700 --> 00:11:10,340 But at the same time, you know, we want to, we're going to redo the walkway and just, you know, make it more of a welcoming park because even just putting the picnic tables out there, people eat lunch out there every day. 123 00:11:10,980 --> 00:11:17,600 So I think if we added more to it, it would just be utilized more because you know, the train takes up a lot of space. 124 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:26,560 The only caveat is that the county is working with the town for a potential development of the 125 00:11:26,560 --> 00:11:33,000 fluent building as far as a residential commercial, you know, again, the affordable housing mix. 126 00:11:33,860 --> 00:11:38,820 So one of the historic sheds that are currently parked behind the food bank or a parked 127 00:11:38,820 --> 00:11:44,720 position behind the food bank would most likely have to be relocated to the Galapungus Park. 128 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:59,440 But again, you know, if we look at an overall conceptual plan for that site, I think we can, you know, figure out a nice location for one of the sheds and, you know, and still make that mark site. 129 00:12:00,300 --> 00:12:10,080 More, amenable to everybody for more public usage. So that's the background. I don't know if you guys have comments or thoughts one way or the other. 130 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:14,940 I need thoughts about the galvan goose, either the train or the park. 131 00:12:18,740 --> 00:12:24,140 I saw it up and running. It looked, it was super cute, the summer, you know. 132 00:12:24,460 --> 00:12:29,740 I mean, it seems like it is sad to see it not be here, but I can see that making a lot of sense. 133 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:35,140 It's also parked and covered, right? Like it looks like it's pretty protected and all that exactly. 134 00:12:35,140 --> 00:12:42,080 Yeah, because the one thing before the volunteer fire district decided to keep it in Ridgeway 135 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:48,680 full-time, one thing they had requested of me was potentially to build sort of like a structure 136 00:12:48,680 --> 00:12:54,800 over it while it was in the park here, which would really take away from the entire park site 137 00:12:54,800 --> 00:13:00,000 because then that would just be a structure and we written know how big the train actually is 138 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:05,000 because a lot of the snow that comes off of the roof of the Miramani building would bury the 139 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,400 and it would literally be as high as the train itself. 140 00:13:09,380 --> 00:13:12,880 So that was one of the major reasons why it was moved to Ridgeway, 141 00:13:13,300 --> 00:13:16,380 which is the milder winter, less snow, 142 00:13:16,540 --> 00:13:19,460 and the fact that it is covered and protected. 143 00:13:21,460 --> 00:13:24,000 Well, from Roger, good to see you. 144 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:26,520 I mean, we don't see you. 145 00:13:26,700 --> 00:13:28,500 Didn't you have to suffer? 146 00:13:28,700 --> 00:13:29,580 Were you going to go on? 147 00:13:29,980 --> 00:13:32,020 Well, it's just going to say, if you guys haven't seen it, 148 00:13:32,100 --> 00:13:32,980 they have other trains. 149 00:13:32,980 --> 00:13:40,120 that I didn't see any of the other trains up and running, but it's pretty cute, and did you say it's free? 150 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:47,420 I didn't, yeah, and they have, you know, on Saturdays, I think it might just be the galping ghost number before that's running. 151 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:59,520 But they do a rail fest in the fall, and it's either in September, October, and when they do the rail fest, which is an entire weekend like extravaganza, all the trains are running. 152 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:08,000 So I've written on every train that is parked underneath that shelter in that protect protected structure. 153 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:12,580 I took my sundown there one day and I was like, we're not going until we ride them all. 154 00:14:13,020 --> 00:14:13,980 And we did. 155 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:15,620 So checking it off your bucket. 156 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:16,680 Exactly. 157 00:14:17,100 --> 00:14:18,660 That's my simple bucket list. 158 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:21,200 I do have a thought on this. 159 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:23,860 I see all the reasons for taking it out of there. 160 00:14:23,860 --> 00:14:27,040 And I think that makes sense to kind of revamp that park. 161 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:37,060 But historically, I mean, the significance of these were that they used a truck body, or it was like a converted. 162 00:14:37,060 --> 00:14:42,260 A converted truck body, not a train body, in order to fit the narrow gauge. 163 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:50,440 And I think, you know, a lot of that was for being coming up here and coming through LAM and making that grade and all that. 164 00:14:50,660 --> 00:14:54,260 I think that historic commission should really weigh in on this and maybe. 165 00:14:54,260 --> 00:14:59,980 Oh, hey, well, take an active role about making sure that Richway has. 166 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:07,760 As the history of the significance of that and also the significance of coming through LA and then making that. 167 00:15:08,020 --> 00:15:15,500 Because it is significant to hear, you're not Ridgeway so much, although I'm sure it rode through Ridgeway. 168 00:15:15,500 --> 00:15:21,260 Yeah. So just so that the historical mission is and the museum 169 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:26,720 has some input into making sure that that history is told 170 00:15:28,930 --> 00:15:32,950 is all I care about and I guess doesn't have to be here but 171 00:15:34,090 --> 00:15:38,250 I'm glad it's getting more use there and people are writing it but I'm sure they have some 172 00:15:38,250 --> 00:15:45,170 interpretive signs but just the import of that. How that galloping goose train is so different than 173 00:15:45,170 --> 00:15:50,470 the other train? I guess I think they were doing that elsewhere in the world too, but. 174 00:15:50,550 --> 00:15:56,510 Yeah, they're still what they call it, being the flock because out of the geese. I think there 175 00:15:56,510 --> 00:16:01,910 are seven, six or seven that remain. There's one up in Dolores. I know one is privately owned in 176 00:16:01,910 --> 00:16:08,070 California. And in the past, so when Ridgeway does their rail fest event each year, you know, 177 00:16:08,290 --> 00:16:13,330 they try to gather the geese, the flock, so to speak. There's always one missing. And again, 178 00:16:13,330 --> 00:16:17,570 and I think it's the one out in California, but for the most part, you know, and I think 179 00:16:17,570 --> 00:16:23,970 one was destroyed somewhere along the line, but, you know, they true do try to get them 180 00:16:23,970 --> 00:16:27,910 all together and just, you know, enjoy that historic. 181 00:16:28,410 --> 00:16:28,830 Yeah. 182 00:16:29,950 --> 00:16:30,550 Oh, it is. 183 00:16:30,690 --> 00:16:30,870 Sure. 184 00:16:30,870 --> 00:16:34,130 Did you kind of hear what we're talking about here? 185 00:16:34,530 --> 00:16:35,570 The Gallopingcus. 186 00:16:35,990 --> 00:16:41,810 I don't know when you logged on, but, okay, in the other comments about the Gallopingcus. 187 00:16:43,370 --> 00:16:51,710 So I think that's a good idea to go ahead on the revamping of the park, but who has to officially 188 00:16:51,710 --> 00:16:57,430 decide that? You're just gathering input at this point? Well, I mean, the train isn't coming back 189 00:16:57,430 --> 00:17:02,550 period. So we have no say on that, but it's sort of when we look at alternatives, you know, 190 00:17:02,610 --> 00:17:08,590 be it a replacement train, or you know, just having the tracks removed, and then just going forward 191 00:17:08,590 --> 00:17:14,390 with it as a park, you know, and then just making the most of that space and, you know, 192 00:17:14,410 --> 00:17:21,650 and just, again, leaving the picnic tables there full time because bless you, those are the 193 00:17:21,650 --> 00:17:30,650 picnic tables are from our county fairgrounds up in Norwood. So, so each year, you know, they 194 00:17:30,650 --> 00:17:35,110 go back to the fairgrounds because, you know, each year we never knew for sure as a train 195 00:17:35,110 --> 00:17:39,510 coming back or isn't it? But now that we know for sure it isn't, you know, I will leave the 196 00:17:39,510 --> 00:17:45,770 picnic tables out there and not return them to the fairgrounds. But again, it'd be nice to 197 00:17:45,770 --> 00:17:50,830 just utilize that space to its full potential. And it's the tiger-eyed fire department that 198 00:17:50,830 --> 00:17:56,430 owns it? Yes, they always have the volunteer fire department. So, okay, what were you saying about 199 00:17:56,430 --> 00:18:02,710 the food pantry out back? That has to relocate? I got a little, kind of. So, behind the food pantry, 200 00:18:02,710 --> 00:18:11,450 we have two historic sheds that belong to the county and one of them the second chance 201 00:18:11,450 --> 00:18:19,050 to use this for storage and then CSU or 4H program divides that up and then in the other 202 00:18:19,050 --> 00:18:26,070 one the county we use it for storage and also the farmers market so both sheds we 203 00:18:26,070 --> 00:18:31,690 to be up that space but the county is looking to develop potentially develop the 204 00:18:31,690 --> 00:18:38,110 fruit and lot with the town and you know yes and the food bank most likely would have to 205 00:18:38,110 --> 00:18:42,890 be relocated or you know it's probably going to be mixed use commercial residential to 206 00:18:42,890 --> 00:18:49,650 see how that breaks out but we would you know build out the lot so one of those sheds would 207 00:18:49,650 --> 00:18:53,810 have to be moved and one of them would go into the park itself. 208 00:18:54,370 --> 00:18:57,510 Okay. Well, there's a handy housing spot. 209 00:18:57,810 --> 00:19:00,450 I know. Yeah. Someone could live with it. 210 00:19:01,170 --> 00:19:01,390 Yeah. 211 00:19:02,250 --> 00:19:04,330 You know, I don't mean the shed. I mean a lot. 212 00:19:04,870 --> 00:19:06,350 Oh, yeah. And that would be the purpose. 213 00:19:06,430 --> 00:19:08,250 You know, it's all part of the affordable housing. 214 00:19:08,630 --> 00:19:12,190 You know, sort of like another collaborative project between the county and the town. 215 00:19:12,690 --> 00:19:16,670 But I think it factors into the town's current master plan. 216 00:19:17,390 --> 00:19:22,890 And there are a number of options that are being discussed with associated costs. 217 00:19:22,890 --> 00:19:32,530 So, um, I don't know which option they're going to settle on, but depending on which one it is, um, you know, that should might have to move. And if it does, it'll end up in the park. 218 00:19:34,230 --> 00:19:40,970 Okay, without getting a sidetracked too much, I just wanted to say, Bravo. And thank you, the. 219 00:19:41,170 --> 00:19:42,950 The milk creek park looks great. 220 00:19:42,950 --> 00:19:47,570 Mm-hmm. I'm going to see it too. I walked out on it. It's just felt great. 221 00:19:48,110 --> 00:19:48,910 And we'll see that separate. 222 00:19:50,490 --> 00:19:52,190 The milk creek park. 223 00:19:53,730 --> 00:19:56,190 It's, I mean, I thought it was perfect. 224 00:19:56,730 --> 00:19:58,250 That picnic jables and whatever. 225 00:19:59,250 --> 00:19:59,970 Yeah, no, thank you. 226 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:29,980 Yeah, rich and our crew, they built the bridge and Greg and Tom. Yeah, they built the bridge. They put the picnic tables out there. We have a port of potty, and we have a trash receptacle. And again, you know, my whole thought was just to provide some community benefit in the interim, while the county commissioner is still think about what may or may not be utilized on that site. And then, you know, maybe in 2025, I've budgeted first to go forward with the full 227 00:20:29,980 --> 00:20:36,200 blown plans, but I need to revisit that topic with county commissioners. But for now, we're just 228 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:43,960 utilizing it as best we can with the approvals that I received. So, yeah, I think it's a nice space 229 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:49,700 and we had it excavated and there was a re-bedged planting, which was successful. We took advantage 230 00:20:49,700 --> 00:20:53,900 of all the the delusia, the rain, and August, and timing worked well. 231 00:20:54,380 --> 00:20:59,020 Did we have Suzanne, but a photo and? 232 00:20:59,460 --> 00:21:01,940 Oh, Suzanne's already done the full-blown media blitz. 233 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,560 It was all over social media a couple of weeks ago. 234 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:07,620 And you know, I'm on a county website. 235 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:09,300 Okay, great. 236 00:21:11,180 --> 00:21:11,420 Okay. 237 00:21:11,700 --> 00:21:14,140 Lepard Creek signage. 238 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:15,040 Yeah. 239 00:21:15,100 --> 00:21:17,060 I didn't know where Lepard Creek is. 240 00:21:19,700 --> 00:21:19,940 Okay. 241 00:21:20,580 --> 00:21:21,460 And on that note. 242 00:21:21,460 --> 00:21:28,100 So, now if you're going down 145 and you make the right heading towards Ridgeway, 243 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:35,200 the Inson property property, excuse me, is that large pull out on the left and on your right 244 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:41,180 is leopard creek and that is BLM land and there's a little trail down there BLM trail. 245 00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:51,320 So years ago, Linda Luther, my predecessor, she had had these large placards, these panels, 246 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:58,480 prepared. I emailed around the details to all of you and you know and at that time I was 247 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:04,500 working with BLM staff and then they had some internal staffing changes and as I mentioned in my 248 00:22:04,500 --> 00:22:11,080 email you know it's sort of fell off the radar but BLM has a new regional rep this gentleman Dan Ben 249 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:18,640 Horan who Greg and I met with recently and anyway we were meeting with him about another topic 250 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:19,960 which I'll go into a little later. 251 00:22:20,780 --> 00:22:24,200 But he, I mentioned these panels, 252 00:22:24,420 --> 00:22:25,340 damn and said, you know what? 253 00:22:25,700 --> 00:22:27,380 These have been sitting in my office forever. 254 00:22:28,420 --> 00:22:30,260 We need to do something with them. 255 00:22:30,340 --> 00:22:33,860 So he offered up a kiosk, which is very nice 256 00:22:33,860 --> 00:22:37,420 because kiosk can be thousands of dollars. 257 00:22:38,460 --> 00:22:39,920 And then looking at these panels, 258 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:45,300 there's some things that are not completely accurate. 259 00:22:46,180 --> 00:22:47,660 I mean, the history remains a history. 260 00:22:47,660 --> 00:22:53,400 that doesn't change but you know like the logos have changed and some other minor details 261 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:58,460 and yes I'm also going to share this with the historical commission but you know they 262 00:22:58,460 --> 00:23:05,540 thought that maybe this tied in with the whole San Juan Skyway scenic byway topics so again 263 00:23:05,540 --> 00:23:11,680 I emailed it to everybody I guess you know I'm looking for Angela at a comment as well but 264 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:18,180 are just panels that, you know, we can either do nothing or update these with the proper logo 265 00:23:18,780 --> 00:23:24,040 and get them posted. Again, I'm going to chat with the historical commission, but I don't know if 266 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:31,200 anybody had any comments from the way the other. And when you think of it, yeah, I mean two, 267 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:36,380 yeah, all right, well, three of the panels, well, yeah, I guess all the panels have the logos on them, 268 00:23:36,380 --> 00:23:38,200 So yeah, regardless, they'd have to be updated. 269 00:23:38,740 --> 00:23:40,460 What did you do recently? 270 00:23:41,420 --> 00:23:42,220 This morning? 271 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:43,320 Oh, okay. 272 00:23:43,620 --> 00:23:43,880 Yeah. 273 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:51,620 No, I had asked Greg to send it out last Thursday, Friday, but so I just wanted everybody 274 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:53,220 to get a copy of that. 275 00:23:53,220 --> 00:23:58,060 But again, you know, you don't have to comment at this moment, you know, you can take time 276 00:23:58,060 --> 00:23:58,660 to read it. 277 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:00,860 I mean, the panels are pretty wordy. 278 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:01,420 Yeah. 279 00:24:01,580 --> 00:24:02,380 That's my comment. 280 00:24:02,500 --> 00:24:05,500 I think that there's just too much. 281 00:24:05,500 --> 00:24:09,340 I don't know, people would read the whole thing. 282 00:24:09,820 --> 00:24:13,360 Those attention span of these days are very low. 283 00:24:14,540 --> 00:24:18,000 So I would just like have it less words, 284 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,680 but still same topics and all. 285 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:21,240 Right. 286 00:24:22,940 --> 00:24:25,280 It's very, very wordy and busy. 287 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,280 I don't know if people actually read that. 288 00:24:28,420 --> 00:24:29,620 The whole thing. 289 00:24:29,900 --> 00:24:34,580 And you're talking one key thing at the beginning of the trail with three panels on it, 290 00:24:34,580 --> 00:24:36,640 so you can get a whole sort of lay in the land. 291 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,380 Yeah, would be on the left side, 292 00:24:38,980 --> 00:24:40,240 so at the pullout itself. 293 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,320 And then, and these would be, yeah, 294 00:24:43,460 --> 00:24:45,280 and these would be four large panels. 295 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,800 There would be over at the Emson parking on it? 296 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:50,840 Yeah, well, that's where it was initially planned, 297 00:24:51,300 --> 00:24:54,760 but again, if, you know, in working with the BLM, 298 00:24:54,780 --> 00:24:55,840 if they say, you know what, 299 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,280 this is gonna actually be better down 300 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:58,180 on the trail itself. 301 00:24:58,800 --> 00:24:59,920 Totally fine, I mean, 302 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:09,300 I am open to whatever they're open to, but I just wanted to share the panel details with you so that if you did have comments. 303 00:25:09,300 --> 00:25:15,080 Here's the gal. I mean, good sound there. I think it kind of makes sense to be over at the 304 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:21,060 I'm simple out because so many cars, you know, might pull over and read it. Where's hardly anybody 305 00:25:21,060 --> 00:25:26,700 hikes that leopard creature. I love it. It does kind of just fade out though. Is that a BLM to 306 00:25:26,700 --> 00:25:34,260 BLM to BLM to BLM? Yes, it's BLM. I wonder BLM could? Well, I people don't even know it exists because it's 307 00:25:34,260 --> 00:25:39,520 to down. I thought you were talking about a sign to announce that there's a little 308 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,860 tram here, right? That's what I thought that would make sense. So people know that 309 00:25:42,860 --> 00:25:47,940 this is a place that you can go right for. Yeah, it's just what isn't like a mile. I think it's 310 00:25:47,940 --> 00:25:52,940 yeah, it's very short. Two or three cars, maybe. I think that would 311 00:25:52,940 --> 00:25:57,720 can be a line put a little. Oh, I can certainly recommend it. 312 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,500 because it sort of just dead ends in the bushes. 313 00:26:01,580 --> 00:26:01,620 Hmm. 314 00:26:01,900 --> 00:26:05,320 So these panels are what you already have though, correct? 315 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:06,960 These are already made. 316 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,380 They're just sitting there waiting for a home. 317 00:26:09,660 --> 00:26:10,200 It's kind of what I mean. 318 00:26:10,220 --> 00:26:14,360 Yes, yeah, they're in my office and they're great. 319 00:26:14,660 --> 00:26:15,500 Didn't I read that? 320 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,780 Oh yeah, but they were, again, they were made years ago. 321 00:26:19,220 --> 00:26:21,740 This was something, you know, my predecessor had made 322 00:26:21,740 --> 00:26:24,540 and then just passed them on to me. 323 00:26:24,540 --> 00:26:54,520 Um, so, but again, you know, this was something that, you know, we tried getting installed at the time, but then our, like I said, our local BLM reps changed and then, you know, their priorities changed and then, you know, these panels have just been sitting there so now that we have a new proactive regional gentleman with the BLM, you know, he's more open to getting things done and so it's just sort of like getting caught up and then also just, you know, he was seeing them for the first time and just getting his thoughts on. 324 00:26:54,540 --> 00:27:00,220 them as well. So he's supportive but you know just wanted like the minor details as far as logos 325 00:27:00,220 --> 00:27:05,400 and things like that updated but I thought before we make a full blown effort to reprint these 326 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:11,740 things and again you know I might be able to just be able to do stickers too with the updated logos 327 00:27:11,740 --> 00:27:18,060 because you know we do that a lot with our trail signage you know we just put a county sticker on it 328 00:27:18,060 --> 00:27:22,720 if it's a pre-existing trail sign as opposed to just reprinting the whole sign just for the 329 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:27,380 about dating a logo. I think this goes great with a whole skyway by the way 330 00:27:27,380 --> 00:27:32,660 think it's going to be over there at him's. Yeah they're the pretty neat. I mean 331 00:27:32,660 --> 00:27:38,240 they have a really informative and it is a lot of information but I think people do 332 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:44,320 stop and read that stuff. People are just out here. I mean it's practically got the skyway on 333 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:49,320 Anyway, it's a Laura's, it's got the whole skyway over there. 334 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:52,540 Yeah, I'd say go for it. 335 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:53,860 Any other comments? 336 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:55,180 Everyone? 337 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,600 To move it forward? 338 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,160 Yeah, let the BLM put a little energy into it. 339 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:00,800 That's great. 340 00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:03,540 Yeah, well, especially since they're offering up a kiosk, 341 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,300 which like I said, they alone, you know, the steel and the glass. 342 00:28:07,660 --> 00:28:09,880 I mean, that they can be thousands of dollars. 343 00:28:11,020 --> 00:28:14,160 So, you know, the fact that they're willing to do sort of like this collaborative project 344 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:18,920 I'd love to take them up on that. 345 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,000 Hey, any other comments? I don't own a cut anybody off. 346 00:28:23,700 --> 00:28:27,820 Yeah, can I ask? When you say the Epson pull out, you mean the larger 347 00:28:27,820 --> 00:28:32,520 or can area across the highway from the trail. Yes. Yes. 348 00:28:32,740 --> 00:28:40,620 And is that county or BLM's property? It's BLM land. It is. There was an illegal 349 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:43,600 Did you have a note there? 350 00:28:43,820 --> 00:28:44,480 How's that there? 351 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:45,800 Well, the history. 352 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,280 It had to be pulled out. 353 00:28:47,540 --> 00:28:49,600 Yeah, that and the history of that site. 354 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,860 There was at least one or two gas stations there. 355 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,380 There was an auto body shop because I actually, 356 00:28:57,300 --> 00:29:02,820 with the EPA grant that I got that I'm working with the EPA with. 357 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:10,320 I actually had the EPA and the BLM meet at that site just to discuss some options. 358 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:17,360 But, you know, the EPA grant itself is federal money, and I can't use it on federally owned land. 359 00:29:19,100 --> 00:29:25,420 So, I mean, one thing I met as little mentions since we're on this topic, so I don't know if you guys are aware, 360 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:05,900 We had been contacted by some constituents who expressed concern about potential contamination because 361 00:30:05,900 --> 00:30:12,340 there's a lot of shotgun shells up there. Somebody dumped furniture. I mean, I've been up there 362 00:30:12,340 --> 00:30:17,540 with my staff, you know, there was like a mannequin and some other things that are being used 363 00:30:17,540 --> 00:30:26,440 as target practice. And so my staff, we were going to clean it up and I met with the BLM 364 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:31,380 site again with the EPA reps and I mentioned that we were going to clean it up and I had a 365 00:30:31,380 --> 00:30:39,380 day set aside October 8th and on October 7th the BLM contacted me and requested we not do that 366 00:30:39,380 --> 00:30:45,380 because they said you know based on potential contamination even though they assured us that the water 367 00:30:45,380 --> 00:30:50,540 was fine and that shotgun shells and whatever else existed on the site we're not contaminating the water 368 00:30:50,540 --> 00:30:56,080 the soil itself and the site itself were considered contaminated so they are now a hiring a private 369 00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:03,960 from to handle that cleanup. So they have requested that the county not do anything on the site, 370 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:12,660 but so they're going to handle that. And one, another positive that has come out of this 371 00:31:12,660 --> 00:31:17,900 is that the Sheriff's Office has been involved in the conversation because, you know, they feel that 372 00:31:17,900 --> 00:31:24,500 people need a place to shoot and they also need a place to shoot for their deputies as far as training. 373 00:31:24,500 --> 00:31:29,480 I mean, they're not using this site for training, but we're now working with the BLM to find 374 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:34,640 a more appropriate site within the county that the Sheriff's Department can use for their 375 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:41,780 deputies for training and that it can be open to the public for target shooting as well. 376 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,440 So these are things that are in the mix right now. 377 00:31:45,740 --> 00:31:47,000 The site will be cleaned up. 378 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:48,600 The BLM has a shortest of that. 379 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:49,840 They are handling it. 380 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,220 They do not want the county to handle that. 381 00:31:52,220 --> 00:31:58,720 And, you know, we will find a more appropriate site for shooting and the BLM said that one 382 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:04,040 thing they are looking at is blocking off that entrance at the bottom, either of the gate 383 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:04,880 or boulders. 384 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:11,500 I mean, we would like boulders because that's a more natural item, or element, just to prevent 385 00:32:11,500 --> 00:32:17,480 people from being able to drive all the way up, dump furniture and, uh, quite some mannequins 386 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:18,340 up there. 387 00:32:18,340 --> 00:32:30,600 So it's for like so it will be more of a like a legitimate shooting range. No, um, so we would we locate 388 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:35,280 We would find another site for shooting range because when you think of BLM land 389 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,540 I mean, it's public land. It is open for any use 390 00:32:38,540 --> 00:32:43,480 So if you guys want to go up there and have a picnic you are welcome to have a picnic, but obviously 391 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,980 Knowing people are shooting you're not gonna have a picnic. Yes, so 392 00:32:48,340 --> 00:32:57,000 and on that. Yeah, hearing it. It's weird. Oh, it is. I think if it's like a kind of robe shooting, 393 00:32:58,420 --> 00:33:03,160 not really monitored, you don't even know who's up there. Well, that's what if they are should be 394 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:07,820 should have done if they were allowed to have a gun. And all these things, that's what I think when I hear it 395 00:33:07,820 --> 00:33:12,800 going off, I'm like, I hope that person doesn't like go off and come down here to the trail right now. 396 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:21,880 So if it is taken to the next step and, you know, now is, you know, a more official thing. 397 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,180 It seems like there should be some more regulation as to. 398 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,040 Well, yeah, because we're looking. 399 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,040 Well, again, it's BLM land. 400 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,400 So yes, people can go up there and shoot. 401 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:37,960 But what we want to, for the BLM to establish is a more appropriate site. 402 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:48,160 not near homes and also a better managed site, you know, and monitored site and we have the 403 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:57,120 sheriff's office involved so we're going to work collaboratively together to identify a parcel that's more appropriate that'll suit everybody's needs. 404 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:02,240 physical student, is anyone allowed to go shoot, and you wear a BLM land, wherever they want, 405 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:10,020 whenever they feel it? Well, again, BLM land is public land, and it's open for use. So, 406 00:34:10,020 --> 00:34:15,080 you know, I don't know how their website works. If, you know, you go on a certain parcel and see 407 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:22,640 what's approved for that site, but, you know, my understanding is, if you want to use it, you can use it. 408 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:36,400 I think the sheriffs and marshals have used it, target, I don't know, some, they might have, but we're looking for a more appropriate site that would be officially deemed like they are training location. 409 00:34:36,540 --> 00:34:37,480 I think that's great. 410 00:34:37,620 --> 00:34:38,520 Move it away from there. 411 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,760 The official one in Ridgeway across from Barbus, also. 412 00:34:42,060 --> 00:34:42,960 I believe so. 413 00:34:42,980 --> 00:34:43,140 Yeah. 414 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:44,200 I believe so. 415 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:50,400 I was told there, yeah, there's something in nuclei believe, Montrose and then in Ridgeway. 416 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:59,280 Yeah, it's been important to put it away from anybody's house or anybody's well, just so people don't have to hear that when they're hiking and 417 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,740 These are Greg's notes. 418 00:35:05,340 --> 00:35:08,060 Looks like the material is here. 419 00:35:08,940 --> 00:35:14,300 Yes. As Greg says, platform at Brideville Falls Experiences Delay, because there was an issue with 420 00:35:14,300 --> 00:35:19,380 procuring the steel i-beams. Needed to secure the platform to the drilled holes in the rock, 421 00:35:19,700 --> 00:35:25,200 R&B oilfield, which is the contractor that was awarded the contract. They received their 422 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:31,300 material and they estimate the work will resume this week and will continue until the 31st. 423 00:35:31,300 --> 00:35:41,680 Which was the deadline that we stipulated in their contract. So good news and then do we plan to have any kind of a official opening? 424 00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:43,940 We certainly can 425 00:35:43,940 --> 00:35:50,180 I don't know. I might look to time not more for the spring because, you know, we've got snow coming this week and 426 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,980 You know, and it's a we officially closed the trail December 1st 427 00:35:54,640 --> 00:36:00,640 So I don't want to get people hyped up and excited about something where yes, I call use it now because we're closing it down 428 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:16,900 Yeah, we should go to a sidewalk, but I think, yeah, to do it when it's not a tourist 429 00:36:17,340 --> 00:36:17,780 time. 430 00:36:18,300 --> 00:36:18,400 Right. 431 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,120 Early in the spring, but then now soon can we get up there? 432 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:21,780 Okay. 433 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:22,600 That's good news. 434 00:36:22,700 --> 00:36:25,220 Anybody have anything else on that? 435 00:36:25,700 --> 00:36:26,640 Checking it up here. 436 00:36:26,660 --> 00:36:28,920 I'd rather let a sea trail clean up. 437 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:35,560 Yeah, so this, so the Ida Lega, Ida Lega C Trail, which is at the east end of the county here. 438 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:45,380 As most of you know, we had the day lose your brain and mud slides and that trail has been out of commission for a while. 439 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:57,040 So we did issue an RFP and we just awarded the contract and we have a contract or earthwork excavation and there are scheduled to start in this project next week. 440 00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,980 They estimate it'll only take them a week. 441 00:37:00,980 --> 00:37:02,920 So we're excited about that. 442 00:37:03,660 --> 00:37:05,360 This was something where, you know, 443 00:37:05,420 --> 00:37:08,080 the county doesn't really have any emergency funds 444 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,420 set in place for something like this. 445 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,500 I mean, the county has emergency funding set in place for wildfires, 446 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,340 but not necessarily mud slides. 447 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,460 So I had to meet with the county commissioners 448 00:37:18,460 --> 00:37:21,920 and get their official go ahead that we could proceed forward with this project. 449 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,200 And we sort of kind of were sitting back a bit because, 450 00:37:25,820 --> 00:37:30,200 And we were just wanted to make sure we weren't going to have any more mud slides this season. 451 00:37:31,260 --> 00:37:36,580 So before we invested dollars in a clean up, we wanted to make sure that, you know, 452 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,320 that the rain had stopped and we could move forward. 453 00:37:42,380 --> 00:37:46,180 I'm wondering about where the tailings, these additional tailings have gone. 454 00:37:46,380 --> 00:37:47,860 Where are the tailings up there? 455 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:50,260 From the valley floor. 456 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,100 The tailings from the valley, that's a town thing. 457 00:37:53,240 --> 00:37:55,000 I don't know what they're doing there. 458 00:37:55,000 --> 00:38:24,980 Oh, they remember they spent two or that's that summer moving a couple of after truck load up to be at that area and then this summer when they put in the bridge they found more tailings so there was a thing in the paper that they were oh yeah that they were going to be hauling through town wondering where that is related to where we get the flows and stuff um yeah I mean they might they might have worked at a deal with it a rato for dumping I mean the the mud and debris that's 459 00:38:24,980 --> 00:38:30,740 that's being removed from the onerado legacy trail is actually going to the pull out on 145 460 00:38:30,740 --> 00:38:39,420 between mile markers, I believe 56 and 57, so C.D. has given us approval for the dirt and 461 00:38:39,420 --> 00:38:47,480 rock debris to be distributed on their pull out area. So we're not going east, we're going west. 462 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:53,760 Well, I just wondered where that, because that does flow, that this is because of a month's life. 463 00:38:54,260 --> 00:38:54,440 Yep. 464 00:38:54,860 --> 00:38:55,040 Yeah. 465 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:55,120 Yeah. 466 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:56,320 That came down from a rare gulch. 467 00:38:57,300 --> 00:38:58,880 And this is second one. 468 00:38:59,360 --> 00:38:59,620 Yeah. 469 00:38:59,740 --> 00:39:01,960 We had two concurrent mud slides there. 470 00:39:02,900 --> 00:39:03,780 And this is, yeah. 471 00:39:03,860 --> 00:39:05,260 Part of the, I don't even know. 472 00:39:06,460 --> 00:39:06,580 Yeah. 473 00:39:06,580 --> 00:39:10,520 This has, this is our second time within two years. 474 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:15,400 And, you know, first they referred to it as like a 500 year flood and a 100 year flood. 475 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,640 but obviously it's happening every other year. 476 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,680 So, too often for or liking, but, you know, 477 00:39:21,740 --> 00:39:24,200 we're dealing with it as best we can. 478 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:28,080 Okay, any other comments about this? 479 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,340 Any other things for the agenda? 480 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,320 Yeah, so I just have a couple of other quick updates. 481 00:39:33,700 --> 00:39:34,960 So one thing I just want to mention 482 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,660 when it comes to Mill Creek Park is, 483 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,400 I'm still working with the town with Zoe Donald. 484 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,340 The town, I mean, this is a conversation. 485 00:39:44,340 --> 00:39:54,260 I started with Scott Robbson two years ago, so finally town council is going to hear our request for an official 486 00:39:55,060 --> 00:39:59,760 Tap fee waiver for us to tap into the towns water line 487 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:08,900 Which is more in line with their needs for the Lawson Hill community and some other housing areas. 488 00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:20,280 So we're going to be able to take advantage of that and then just pay for our portion of our electricity needs for the military park site. 489 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:29,980 But some preparing a letter right now for the county commissioners to officially submit to the town council to make that request official for the tap fee way. 490 00:40:29,980 --> 00:40:35,630 ever. That's not. And yes, some of the 491 00:40:35,630 --> 00:40:39,030 ministers get to use it for housing. They 492 00:40:39,030 --> 00:40:42,630 they will have a tap. That's right, they'll 493 00:40:42,630 --> 00:40:47,310 have a water fountain. So that will be 494 00:40:47,310 --> 00:40:50,730 probably approved and move forward. Yes, and the 495 00:40:50,730 --> 00:40:54,950 towns timeline is a next spring. So 496 00:40:54,950 --> 00:40:57,290 fairly soon, spring 2025 is when they would 497 00:40:57,290 --> 00:41:00,270 do that project and that installation. The 498 00:41:00,270 --> 00:41:01,970 I mean, way to manifest that. 499 00:41:02,190 --> 00:41:04,570 So that's to water pollinators? 500 00:41:05,470 --> 00:41:05,750 Yes. 501 00:41:06,970 --> 00:41:11,290 And yeah, and yeah, and we'll have our pollinators, 502 00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:12,830 well, the porta potty's out there, 503 00:41:12,890 --> 00:41:17,850 and then we'll have our bottle refilling station. 504 00:41:19,170 --> 00:41:20,910 So that's what that is for. 505 00:41:21,410 --> 00:41:23,990 And then I just wanted to mention on another note, 506 00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:26,470 when it comes to the down valley connector trail. 507 00:41:27,330 --> 00:41:29,970 Feasibility study, the one thing I'd mention to everyone 508 00:41:29,970 --> 00:41:33,910 is that, you know, we were pursuing the engineering and design for segments one and five. 509 00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:38,210 So I submitted a concept paper for a GoCode grant last week. 510 00:41:39,530 --> 00:41:44,430 So how that works is, I mean, I've been working with our local GoCode rep and you submit 511 00:41:44,430 --> 00:41:50,190 a concept paper, bury them with details, and then hope to be invited to the actual grant 512 00:41:50,190 --> 00:41:51,330 application process. 513 00:41:52,250 --> 00:41:54,530 So concepts are due last week. 514 00:41:54,530 --> 00:42:01,410 Applications will be invited November 14th. Applications are due December 16th with 515 00:42:01,410 --> 00:42:09,970 grants awarded March of 2025. So our local GoCo rep just preliminary conversation and comments. 516 00:42:10,170 --> 00:42:16,250 He said everything looked great but you know I won't know for a while on that or at least 517 00:42:16,250 --> 00:42:21,030 well a couple of weeks I will keep you guys in the loop but fingers crossed that we can get something 518 00:42:21,030 --> 00:42:50,490 going with that. Wow, that's big news. So that was sections one and five. Yes, engineering and design engineering and design. Right. And then two other quick things. I just wanted to mention with our pez program. So I met with county commissioners and we're going to be renewing the contracts for Chris Hayes and other terra firm. And also the Shavano conservation district to continue with our pez program in our soil health studies. 519 00:42:53,830 --> 00:42:59,670 And I'm going to scan these in, but the Shavano Conservation District has two events coming up 520 00:42:59,670 --> 00:43:08,110 one in November, one in January, both in Montrose, a farm in Ranch Innovation Expo, 521 00:43:08,350 --> 00:43:15,810 and then a soil health food and farm forum. So I will scan these in and email them to you, 522 00:43:15,870 --> 00:43:20,470 and I'm also going to share them with the Fairboard and the ad community up in Norwood. 523 00:43:23,410 --> 00:43:28,550 And then I just thought of something else, no, I'm drawing a blank. 524 00:43:35,300 --> 00:43:37,340 Okay. Any questions on that? 525 00:43:40,810 --> 00:43:42,250 When is that set to renew? 526 00:43:43,930 --> 00:43:44,770 Chris is contra. 527 00:43:45,550 --> 00:43:50,870 Oh, the both be renewable as of January 1st and go through till December 31st. 528 00:43:51,710 --> 00:43:58,070 So typically what we do is I give them both annual contract renewals and then we meet with county commissioners each year provide an update. 529 00:43:58,070 --> 00:44:01,510 I allocate funding for the following year, and then we renew. 530 00:44:03,750 --> 00:44:21,990 Oh, and one thing I want to mention, too, is Greg and I were up at the OA Gregor parcel on Friday with Star Jamison, our director of Natural Resources, and the Western Wildfire Council, West Region, Wildfire Council. 531 00:44:22,650 --> 00:44:31,250 just to talk about forest health and then the O.A. Gregor Parcel itself and just we have some standing dead trees from Beetlekill. 532 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:07,160 Funding set aside for that. But, you know, we're talking about wildfire mitigation versus forest 533 00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:12,940 health versus our gunnison sagegrass population, because we do have our z-dictructures up there. 534 00:45:12,980 --> 00:45:18,900 We do have our gunnison sagegrass population, which has been steadily growing and improving. 535 00:45:19,980 --> 00:45:25,640 So that's just something that again, we were just up there on Friday and we're going to wait 536 00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:31,880 here back as for as recommendations and suggestions that they have for the parcel because 537 00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:39,500 you know our thought too is opening it up for a usage and camping and overnight stays you 538 00:45:39,500 --> 00:45:46,740 know yes we can designate areas where we feel it's safest for people to camp. But you know we 539 00:45:46,740 --> 00:45:51,880 are aware of the situation with some of these trees that you know could potentially blow down 540 00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:58,300 and you know we want to be proactive as opposed to reactive. So I will keep everybody 541 00:45:58,300 --> 00:46:05,370 apprised of developments with that. And we do fund Jason, Dr. Jason Seabold each year 542 00:46:05,940 --> 00:46:09,900 from our community support funding through the Parks and Open Space Department for his 543 00:46:09,900 --> 00:46:16,840 forest health studies. But his focus has primarily been on the east end with Bear Creek. 544 00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:29,820 But, you know, I've always been trying to lobby for more focus on the West End, but I realized that the East End is where we are heavily populated and God forbid we have a wildfire. 545 00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:31,780 This is where the concern is going to lie. 546 00:46:32,740 --> 00:46:34,820 But, you know, we will see where that leads. 547 00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:39,840 Don't you say earlier that there is money budget for wildfire? 548 00:46:40,780 --> 00:46:46,520 Well, there are emergency funds at the county commissioner set aside each year. 549 00:46:47,180 --> 00:46:54,760 I do not know the amount, but for emergency needs that are tied in with wildfire. 550 00:46:55,360 --> 00:47:01,840 I think this would fit that, especially if we get Jason Sybil, the say so as long as with the wildfire council. 551 00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:16,720 Yeah, say that, but now there's a helicopter and they're doing a lot of removal of sanding dead in mountain village. Apparently I've heard mountain village has a kind of more modern advance. 552 00:47:18,980 --> 00:47:26,640 You know, open space, not open space, but land use codes about the fire and the sanding dead. 553 00:47:27,380 --> 00:47:35,540 that we, I've heard, should be adopting here in Telerides, similar land use codes to that. 554 00:47:35,720 --> 00:47:38,020 And have we talked about that? 555 00:47:38,260 --> 00:47:43,140 That's something that the planning department would handle, so I'd have to consult with them. 556 00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,560 Yeah, I mean, because I know what we're looking at land use codes for mining. 557 00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:51,960 It should be actually reviewed to concerns for a wildfire here and mitigation. 558 00:47:52,460 --> 00:47:55,480 I mean, that's expensive work they're doing as helicopters single. 559 00:47:55,480 --> 00:48:05,900 Oh, that's very expensive. Once they, they feel like it's worth it because, you know, it would, it's going to stop any massive spread of a fire that might break out. 560 00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:07,860 So that's a full time. 561 00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:12,960 They have a full time forestry person was the county does not. 562 00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:23,300 And they're very connected with the whole disabled poor study and they've been really proactive and stand a lot of money on their trees up there. 563 00:48:23,300 --> 00:48:25,720 and that's for what they did here. 564 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:27,300 But that's a good idea, I think, 565 00:48:27,660 --> 00:48:30,400 we could just revisit it just to have a plan. 566 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:32,960 Yeah, a future while, while fire, 567 00:48:33,060 --> 00:48:37,720 I mean, yeah, if there's budget for that. 568 00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,040 Because it seems like a few of them noticed on this side 569 00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:44,620 of this hill, there's just more and more dead standing dead 570 00:48:44,620 --> 00:48:47,000 to some part of the side of the bear creek. 571 00:48:48,300 --> 00:48:50,080 And it's getting a little concerning. 572 00:48:50,080 --> 00:49:17,120 Well, and a big concern, too, is that, you know, from the valley floor up that hillside to those homes that exist at the top, you know, they've given estimates that God forbid there was a wildfire on the valley floor, I think they've given a time frame of 5 or 10 minutes with which that fire would move up that hillside and take out those houses. So, yeah, it's being proactive as opposed to reactive while we can, you know. 573 00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:24,880 anybody can go on the county website and find our or self-study mom and Jason Sibald has 574 00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:31,440 there's a map, something there's a great interactive map and where you can, you know, hold the 575 00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:39,800 bar along and see the forest in this area from the past into the future and Jason's just blown away 576 00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:46,100 that we haven't had any problems yet because it's right over the hill there with with the, you know, 577 00:49:48,300 --> 00:49:56,020 And then Hillary has said, from studying with Jason, in the future, we won't have maybe 578 00:49:56,020 --> 00:49:59,080 dead fur here would be the only evergreen lab. 579 00:49:59,660 --> 00:49:59,980 But... 580 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:05,820 We're preparing ourselves that it's going to be gone. I mean, maybe not in our lectures. Well, 581 00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:11,000 that's why we do a fair amount of impacts. Our PPEC deployment each, you know, spring, you 582 00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:15,240 know, and yeah, we've been focusing primarily on the Douglas Furs, but yeah, there are other 583 00:50:15,240 --> 00:50:19,840 species out there that are all targeted and vulnerable, especially with the drought. But the reason 584 00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:25,760 the Doug for our part is because they're the ones that are most likely to survive. Exactly. 585 00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:38,140 I don't know if they're hardy or or or or drought resistant. I don't know that they're that's why we're trying to save the Doug for it. So it's a whole big story. I think it's a great story. 586 00:50:39,260 --> 00:50:47,760 Yeah, what this county's trying to do in the town and the forest service and it's been a long long while, but that I think it's worth going on because it's 587 00:50:48,540 --> 00:50:58,060 There's a lot of really cool science and maths and study on forced health on the county website with that. 588 00:50:58,060 --> 00:51:02,280 Exactly. Yeah, and I believe we updated that too. 589 00:51:04,260 --> 00:51:07,820 So yeah, check that out because it's under natural resources. 590 00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:12,260 It's not under parks and open space, but you'll see the forest health studies. 591 00:51:12,260 --> 00:51:16,880 and like Susie said, Jason Seabulls comments. 592 00:51:17,860 --> 00:51:21,560 So I have a question about this, is it one B or two B, 593 00:51:21,780 --> 00:51:23,100 that's the open space housing? 594 00:51:23,500 --> 00:51:26,480 Oh, this space commission's budget to go to housing? 595 00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:28,760 On the election right now. 596 00:51:29,240 --> 00:51:32,520 Oh, I honestly don't know the ballot measure number. 597 00:51:32,780 --> 00:51:34,780 I want to, or something like that. 598 00:51:34,780 --> 00:51:36,480 Anyway, that's the one I'm talking about. 599 00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:41,340 Is that I've gotten a good handful of people calling and asking? 600 00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:54,000 What do I think about this and I said, well, we have extra money in the budget and it's been determined that there's so much that we can afford to, you know, give up the amount that they've determined. 601 00:51:54,880 --> 00:52:01,340 So I'm advising people to vote, yes, but I, I wonder, I mean, I kind of wish we would have had we could have. 602 00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:07,720 Let's something in the paper from the open because it's coming from our budget that we could have. 603 00:52:07,720 --> 00:52:17,900 Well, it was there something to educate people about this and the budget works and how we can, we've has surplus money and all that. 604 00:52:18,380 --> 00:52:29,940 Well, it's interesting because, you know, we all got our blue ballot measure booklet, you know, with all the state and the federal and, you know, everything in there, but, you know, the local county ballot measures were not included. 605 00:52:29,940 --> 00:52:41,000 And again, I don't know if they ever are, but there was a good article on the planet last week which kind of gave a lot of detail as far as the measure itself. 606 00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:47,220 What the counties outreach has been I honestly don't know if they've posted things on the website. 607 00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:59,280 I know that, you know, Commissioner Brown and Brown has talked about these topics in her meetings with like the Democratic women's caucus and some of the other meetings, 608 00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:05,600 you know, where the candidates up for election are discussing these items and initiatives, 609 00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:14,400 you know, but in looking at the parks fund balance, you know, we do, as I mentioned at the 610 00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:20,640 previous meeting, you know, we have had a healthy fund balance in the previous years. 611 00:53:24,740 --> 00:53:26,820 So, you know, 612 00:53:26,820 --> 00:53:33,240 housing. You know, it's not something that's going to threaten the operations of the parks in 613 00:53:33,240 --> 00:53:38,600 open space department or any of the divisions that we have or any of our project initiatives 614 00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:44,700 because as I mentioned at our last meeting, you know, we went forward with a regular budget. 615 00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:54,440 I mean, I did not remove anything based on this ballot initiative effort. I still highlighted 616 00:53:54,440 --> 00:54:01,460 all of our current active future proposed projects funding that would be allocated for it. 617 00:54:01,700 --> 00:54:08,360 Potential grants some pursuing matching requirements. So as I said at our last meeting, 618 00:54:09,060 --> 00:54:17,780 I am moving forward. Business is usual, so to speak, and not changing anything as far as 619 00:54:17,780 --> 00:54:23,700 what our plans are on the horizon. Be it for projects, be it for staffing. So 620 00:54:23,700 --> 00:54:28,380 You know, it's, I mean, we'll see, you know, again, it's in the voter's hands, we'll see what happens. 621 00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:43,380 But, you know, I don't feel that having some of that funding set aside for housing effort is going to jeopardize the Parks and Open Space Department or any of our projects moving forward. 622 00:54:43,900 --> 00:54:47,720 Yeah, that wasn't really thinking that. 623 00:54:47,720 --> 00:54:51,280 Did anybody else get asked about this? 624 00:54:58,130 --> 00:54:59,970 Okay, well, they're like I said anything 625 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:17,320 Daily planet had a pretty good article last week that really delved into details as far as how the funding breaks out and percentages for this, percentages for that, and it was an all inclusive article, not just focused on this, but it did provide some helpful details for those who might not understand. 626 00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,360 Yeah. That's good. 627 00:55:21,020 --> 00:55:36,600 Okay, so I was thinking about inviting some people that were the original involve people in the high-country zone for an upcoming meeting to be able to explain it all to us and get the history of it. 628 00:55:36,720 --> 00:55:39,780 Is that sound like something people might be interested in? 629 00:55:39,780 --> 00:55:51,280 And because I know that tell your eye to open space is also interested and possibly that. So if I do get April Montgomery would be the one because she's I was just going to say he was the one. 630 00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:59,430 Yeah, who would you invite? Yeah, maybe Gary hip-hox and April Montgomery. And maybe Lance. I don't know. I think Lance was around to that. 631 00:56:00,820 --> 00:56:05,580 It was actually one of the first things the open space commission did. 632 00:56:08,240 --> 00:56:16,400 So I'll pursue that a little bit and then I would also just ask our commission to look at our work plan, which is our checklist. 633 00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:29,580 Look at over and see kind of what things we have accomplished in what things we want to put on the next couple of agendas and we will be needing to update that work plan. 634 00:56:30,300 --> 00:56:34,780 Yes, that sounds good, I'm bringing you. 635 00:56:35,180 --> 00:56:37,620 Right, are you okay? 636 00:56:41,820 --> 00:56:44,500 Yeah, and I'll also, I mentioned this at the last meeting. 637 00:56:44,820 --> 00:56:55,140 I'll also check in with K Simonson because I know everybody wanted to receive an update on as far as the land use codes and certain things being proposed. 638 00:56:55,500 --> 00:56:57,840 She said she'd be ready in the fall. 639 00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:04,340 So she didn't have anything for tonight, but I'll check in with her because our next meeting is November 18th 640 00:57:05,100 --> 00:57:10,200 So I'll see if she's gonna have anything to present to us at that time. 641 00:57:11,500 --> 00:57:20,220 And I think John, I think your idea of the land use code for fire that is I mean we're looking in the future because I'm thinking of a couple things right now. 642 00:57:20,220 --> 00:57:31,440 One is that if our budget is shortened, if we don't have money to go to something like that, I mean, we don't know what we're going to encounter in the future. 643 00:57:32,180 --> 00:57:43,200 Well, if fire is one of them, I think I'm just I'm not selling any alarms. I'm just saying between the land use code looking at that and comparing what mountain villages doing. 644 00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:49,960 and then I'll also look back and do it and that would be a larger initiative so that 645 00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:51,560 wouldn't come from our budget. 646 00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,180 Okay Roger are you okay we heard a little bang 647 00:57:56,180 --> 00:57:57,020 there. 648 00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:06,260 Are you okay? I'm here in noises are you guys hearing that? I don't hear 649 00:58:06,260 --> 00:58:07,540 anything now. 650 00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:14,720 Roger. Well he is on mute. Yeah he's on mute. 651 00:58:19,660 --> 00:58:23,360 Okay well if there's no 652 00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:26,620 for the. Roger, you're okay. I see you're in muted now. 653 00:58:26,940 --> 00:58:29,520 Nope. He was for a second. You okay, Roger? 654 00:58:31,580 --> 00:58:32,100 Yeah, 655 00:58:34,470 --> 00:58:44,690 I'll call him. Yeah, because of it. Okay. So yeah, as mentioned, our next meeting is Monday, November 656 00:58:44,690 --> 00:58:56,910 18th at 4 o'clock. That is the week before Thanksgiving. So thanks for your time tonight. Good to see 657 00:58:56,910 --> 00:59:01,770 everybody and yeah if anybody has any comments about anything we discussed or didn't 658 00:59:01,770 --> 00:59:06,590 discuss of course well let me know because I realize it's a lot to digest with 659 00:59:06,590 --> 00:59:12,790 information and details so don't have to take to reach out before we adjourn with 660 00:59:12,790 --> 00:59:20,470 Roger we do have a form a corn now we have a form now we actually do we 661 00:59:20,470 --> 00:59:30,810 Roger, we're going to vote on the minutes of 923 and so you're unmuted from Roger, we're going to sorry I could not get my audio. 662 00:59:31,610 --> 00:59:33,750 Okay, well, you could communicate that way. 663 00:59:34,830 --> 00:59:43,810 Did you get a chance to see the minutes of 923? We have a few edits and revisions on that. 664 00:59:43,810 --> 00:59:48,750 So, if you have a motion to approve those minutes with those stated 665 00:59:49,570 --> 00:59:53,690 attendance, is now that that's not the right route, that it's, 666 00:59:56,820 --> 00:59:59,820 I can move to approve the minutes from 667 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:08,820 In the minutes, say aye. Aye. And Roger, if you could text us your vote on that, 668 01:00:10,900 --> 01:00:13,620 we saw your text come up on the screen. 669 01:00:14,540 --> 01:00:17,680 Yeah, in the chat box. Oh, in the chat box. 670 01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:23,140 What do we do here now? 671 01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:35,140 Oh, Roger, you could just put a thumbs up on that little thing or you could raise your hand and we can consider the thumbs up. 672 01:00:38,410 --> 01:00:39,630 Oh, hang on, hang on. 673 01:00:42,310 --> 01:00:43,730 I could not get my audience. 674 01:00:43,750 --> 01:00:47,410 So Roger, we were able to see your chat right in the back, sir. 675 01:00:47,730 --> 01:00:47,810 Yeah. 676 01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:55,120 Okay, well, why don't we put a tentative yes? 677 01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:03,260 And otherwise, I can't even read that with my glasses, did I, do you approve of the nine to 678 01:01:03,260 --> 01:01:03,820 my three minutes? 679 01:01:04,020 --> 01:01:04,620 Okay, perfect. 680 01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:06,140 Put that in. 681 01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:07,120 Oh, I just typed that. 682 01:01:07,940 --> 01:01:08,720 Oh, it's a Roger. 683 01:01:09,340 --> 01:01:09,560 Okay. 684 01:01:10,620 --> 01:01:10,660 Good. 685 01:01:10,660 --> 01:01:11,060 Yeah, Roger. 686 01:01:11,260 --> 01:01:15,500 I just, I responded to you in the chat box. 687 01:01:15,860 --> 01:01:20,500 So if you want to respond back with a year or nay, let us know. 688 01:01:22,100 --> 01:01:23,760 Oh, this modern world. 689 01:01:27,300 --> 01:01:35,160 other as you can follow up with an email tube. Okay, all right, well without further ado, we'll figure this out later. 690 01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:52,000 I will, it's 504. Less than an hour meeting. We are efficient. A well-oiled machine. Thanks all for coming. We'll see you in November. 691 01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:55,320 Yeah, thanks everyone have a good night. 692 01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:56,140 Bye guys. 693 01:01:56,500 --> 01:01:57,020 All right. 694 01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:57,480 Take care. 695 01:01:58,600 --> 01:01:58,780 Bye.