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Welcome to the regular meeting of the
public art review board uh July 15,

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2026. The time is 608. Uh Becky, can you
please call?

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» All right. Um acting chair Merrick.
>> Oh, here. [laughter]

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» Member Sandival
>> here. Member Schoffler

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» here.
>> Member Skinner.

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» Yes.
>> All right. And then member Xiao we know

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will be absent this evening. Thank you.

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» Okay. So, I'm calling [clears throat] I
guess our first agenda item approving

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the regular meeting minutes from January
14th.

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Uh at this time, we invite questions and
answers from committee members to staff.

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Okay. So, I'll call for a motion and
then a second to approve the minutes.

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» So, moved.
>> Second.

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» Becky, can you please call the role?
>> Yeah. Was the second uh member Skinner?

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» Yeah.
>> Okay. Thank you.

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» All right. Um,
acting chair Merritt,

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» uh, yay.
>> Member Sandival,

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» yes.
>> Member Schoffler,

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» yes.
>> And member Skinner,

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» yes.
>> Right. Motion approved. Thank you.

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» Thank you.
>> At this time, I'd like to open public

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comment for any in-person participants
on any matters not listed on the agenda

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that pertain to the public art review
board.

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» I'll just add a quick comment. It's
great to see so many people here

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tonight. Thank you all for being here,
taking time out of your evening. My name

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is Craig Baray. I work for the city. I'm
the assistant library rec director. Uh I

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also wear the hat of being the um city
staff leazison for the public art review

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board, which is why you're all here. And
I'll just encourage everyone since

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there's a lot of people in the room, we
limit public comment to two minutes per

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person. And if if someone already said
something that you agree with, one of

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the ways we really like to acknowledge
that is to use the ASL applause. Like

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you can put your hands up and um just
acknowledge that you're in agreement. Um

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but we also want to just remind everyone
to be respectful and um share opinions

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in a respectful way. With that, that's
open for anyone.

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» Who wants to go first?
>> I'll go first.

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» Okay.
>> Yeah. We don't have a dis here. So,

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» all right.
>> Well, I read this part here. It says,

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"Be respectful." So, I won't tell you
what I really think about this project,

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but it's not art. Emperor has no
clothes. These are cartoons. Dunesbury

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has a message. Do you cut out the
Dunesbury cartoon and frame it and put

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it in your living room? We have to have
these just because somebody wants them.

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Somebody wants to say, "We got heard, so
therefore we got this." Most of us that

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live there don't want it. If you read
these, you're going to read them once.

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You're not going to read them again and
again, and it's not even it's the same

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people going by over and over. These
even don't even go on the path over to

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Target. So anyway, uh I hope you don't
approve it. This is the art review

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boards and you're looking at cartoons,
keep that in mind. Thank you.

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» Excuse me.
>> We had a question.

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» Dad Labar.
>> Dad Labar. Lamar B.

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» Yeah. L A capital B A R R E.
>> Yeah. And just since we don't typically

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get a lot of public comment, I think
that's a a really great point. If you

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want to share your name, the
neighborhood you live in, that's always

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helpful for us. If you also have any
written correspondence that you want to

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share and leave with me, we can add that
to the project record. We do have a

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project file for you.
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» And also, can I just get a show? Um, how
many of you are here to speak about the

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people of the canal project tonight?
Just to clarify that, um, if you're

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speaking about that people of the canal
project, that is not an item that's on

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the agenda. And since it's not an item
that's on the agenda, I just want to

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clarify that. Um, to date, the public
art review board has not received a

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proposal. So, they are they have not had
any information in front of them to

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review at this point in time. So just to
clarify that um to make sure that

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everyone's on the same page. Um so if
you are speaking about that project

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again not on the agenda it's not
something that we'll we to discuss at

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length this evening in in alignment with
our brown act rules.

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» Right. I'll speak next.
>> Hello everyone. My name is Susan Lavine.

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I live in Bayoint.
>> Speak up a little bit.

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» And I'm a member of which stands for
Marin Alliance to Retain Stark weather

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habitat. I want to begin by recognizing
that the peoples of the canal project is

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unlike anything your board has approved
before. In the past, the board has

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approved murals on buildings, artwork on
utility boxes, and temporary exhibits

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inside places like Fallerk Cultural
Center. Those projects may be very

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different artistically, but they have
something important in common. They are

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located in developed settings. They're
relatively easy to maintain or replace,

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and they can be removed without
permanently changing the character of

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the place. This proposal is different.
It would permanently install a two-mile

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largecale exhibit throughout one of San
Rafll's most treasured shoreline parks.

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These signs wouldn't simply occupy the
space, they would become part of the

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landscape for decades. And that's
especially significant because on the

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shoreline path, the view is the art.
People come to experience the marsh, the

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bay, the wildlife, and the sweeping
views. The shoreline itself is the

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destination, not a backdrop for a
permanent outdoor exhibit. That's why

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your responsibility isn't simply to
decide whether this is a worthwhile

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project. It's to decide whether it's the
right project for this location. Your

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review criteria asks whether this site
is appropriate, whether the project is

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compatible with its surroundings, and
whether it enhances the public space in

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which it will be placed. I don't think
anyone disputes that these stories

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deserve to be told. They absolutely do.
The real question is whether the

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shoreline park is the right place to
tell them. And if the current design

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can't work anywhere else, then perhaps
the design should evolve so it can.

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Great public art doesn't ask a special
place to change to accommodate the art.

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It succeeds because it respects and
complements the place where it's

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installed. Thank you.

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» Yeah. Mark fellows. I'm a Scottish but I
actually live in Sper Point. So before I

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get to the next question and I'm going
to speak fast. I apologize because I

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thought we had three minutes. I want to
get I want to bring perspective from my

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own work in public art in New York City
with NGO Artbridge. Last month I helped

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launch a community art project called
speaking body in Brooklyn's 34 district

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that tells the stories of immigrant
mothers living in the city's shelter

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system. We didn't ask where the story
whether the story deserved to be have a

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home and clearly did. We asked where the
audience was time and attention to

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consume the art. That's the lens I'm
bringing to tonight. So this exhibit has

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real educational in my view educational
and artistic value. Nobody here is

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arguing otherwise in front of this board
tonight isn't the question isn't whether

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the panels are good art or not. It's
whether the shoreline path is the right

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environment to deliver that art. So
throughout the process the question

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seems to have been framed around whether
the installation fits the shoreline path

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largely because that's where it was
first conceived. I believe correct me if

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I'm wrong. Um [clears throat] I'd
suggest it's the wrong question. The

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question is whether it's the site can
deliver what a permanent 22 panel

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exhibit actually needs an audience that
stops, reads, and returns. Picklewood

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Park sits at the canal neighborhood
itself with parking, restrooms, shade,

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and room for people to gather. This
audience this project is meant to serve.

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The shoreline path is a linear two-mile
recreational trail. People walk, run,

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bike, fish, bird watch there. never
built to hold a museum's worth of text

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and moving um art through um I'm gonna
move on quickly. M so matching the

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project to the right side isn't a
downgrade. It's the ordinary work of

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producing public art responsibly. My art
bridge project succeeded because we

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match the work to where the audience
already was, not because we found a way

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to force it somewhere else. So the board
can live by the same standard here not

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by judging whether the art is good um or
not but by asking whether this stretch

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of shoreline is a place to receive it.
The current proposal can't be met by the

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board's if a current proposal can't be
met by the board standards for this

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location. The answer isn't to compromise
the shoreline is to give this project a

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site where it can actually succeed.

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» Okay, I'll go next. Uh my name is Claire
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this evening I'd like to talk about um
the perspective of planning that went

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into uh the the uh canal art project and
there are two con significant points

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that haven't been considered in the
placement of where the panel should be

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along the weather path. And the first is
that the city part of the city's general

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plan as a part of the sea level rise
adaptation plan is the likely potential

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for the refabrication or the removal of
the burm to accommodate the new

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infrastructure that will be constructed
to protect against inevitable sea level

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rise. We all know that this is
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Secondly, that if the proposed park
lighting goes through, um the city will

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have to dig up the same pathway where
the signs would sit to install lighting.

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And this of course would seriously
interfere with or delay any installation

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that is placed along the path and may
necessitate its removal to complete an

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electrical infrastructure project.
The only way to guarantee that the art

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remains intact and untouched is to place
it elsewhere. For example, at Pickle

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Pickle Community Center where it will be
preserved and protected for all to

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enjoy. Long-term projects need to be
planned in conjunction with each other.

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Um, if the art project is considered an
asset to the community, it should be

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placed where it can be most appreciated
by everyone. Thank you.

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I'll go next since I'm going to kind of
speak a little bit to what Claire just

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said. My name is Flores. I'm a resident
also of Senkar Point. The history of the

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Canal neighborhood is rich, important,
and absolutely deserves to be shared.

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But tonight, the issue isn't the history
that we're talking about. It's the

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location. Why would the city install a
permanent exhibit on a shoreline it

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already knows will have to be redesigned
because of sea level rise? The shoreline

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trail and bayfront BM are in the FEMA
flood zone. The city's southeast

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Sanrifell sea level rise adaptation plan
identifies this very corridor as an area

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that will require future adaptation. The
city is already studying options that

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include raising, widening, relocating,
or reconstructing the levy and the

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shoreline path. So, we know that this
landscape is going to change. Yes. Yet,

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this proposal calls for 22 permanent
history panels anchored in the same

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corridor. When shoreline improvements
eventually occur, those panels could

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have to be moved, removed, lo relocated,
repaired, or replaced, all at additional

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expense. That simply isn't a good
long-term planning. There is a better

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solution, but the goal is to celebrate
the canal history. Use a temporary or

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rotating exhibit. The city has already
demonstrated this concept with the civic

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cent's music and moren through the
decades exhibit. Temporary exhibits can

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be updated, expanded, relocated, or
replaced as community needs change and

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as a shoreline evolves. There's also a
smarter investment. Instead of spending

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taxpayer dollars on permanent
infrastructure that may later have to be

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demolished or reconstructed, the city
can avoid unnecessary future costs while

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preserving the flexibility to adapt.
Better yet, place the exhibit where

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people can truly experience it in a
location with parking, restrooms,

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seating, shade, a ADA accessibility, and
room for school groups and community

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programs. not along a narrow
recreational trail that is already

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slated for future modification. No one
is questioning whether the canal's

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history deserves recognition. It
absolutely does. The question before you

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is whether a permanent installation
belongs in a place the city already

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knows will be fundamentally
altered by sea level rise. I

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respectfully ask you to reconsider the
proposal and pursue a temporary movable

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exhibit in a more appropriate location.
It will honor the canal's history,

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better serve the public, [clears throat]
and be a more responsible investment of

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taxpayer dollars. Thank you so much.

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» I'll go ahead. Um, I'm also a Sparkle
Point um, resident and I walk that path

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every day. And the art is the water, the
pelicans, the birds, the sky. I would

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love to even see a little critter
crossing the what are the um the little

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predators who live on the little island,
but as long as they're going the other

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way. But the and there is absolutely no
parking for anybody to come and look at

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that art. and our streets are already
crowded from from cars that don't are

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not living there residents and so people
who live there have a hard time parking.

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So again, I think a more appropriate
space to leave the nature, which is what

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that path was originally designed for to
to enjoy nature and the beauty. It's bad

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enough if those lights go in because
that's going to destroy the ecosystem,

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but I would please urge you to look for
a more appropriate place to put the art

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which which deserves an appropriate
place. Thank you.

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» Sure, I'll go. Uh, my name is Stuart
Dubie. I am a 29-year Sanrfell resident

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at Baypoint Lagoon's HOA board member
and tonight I speak as a volunteer with

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Marsh to address the board's upcoming
evaluation of the people's of of the

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canal signage project. Um before I
start, I think everyone's made this

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really clear. We completely support
preserving and sharing the history of

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the Miwok Coast Miwok, the Canal
neighborhood, and many communities that

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shape San Rafll's history. We believe
it's a story that deserves to be told.

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The question before you is not whether
this is an important story. The question

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before you is is the one that your own
bylaws require you to answer.

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[clears throat] Has the applicant just
demonstrated that the proposed peoples

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of the canal project satisfies the
public art reviews boards boards adopted

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review criteria.
These criteria ask that you evaluate the

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project readiness, community engagement,
long-term maintenance, design, and

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whether the appropriate site has been
identified. With those standards are

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applied, I believe several important
questions remain. First, community

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engagement. Your bylaws require
meaningful engagement with the

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neighborhood organizations and adjacent
communities for long-term art projects.

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Yet hundreds of residents, trail users,
environmental organizations, and

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recreational users only became aware of
this proposal on October of 2025.

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Today, more than 290 verified petition
signatures along with letters and public

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testimony asked the city to reconsider
the location, not because they oppose

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the history, but the le but because they
question whether the shoreline path is

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the appropriate setting. That level of
community concern deserves more than

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acknowledgement. It deserves meaningful
consideration.

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Has the applicant demonstrated the level
of community engagement envisioned by

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your bylaws.
Second, appropriate site. Your review

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criteria specifically identifies
selecting an appropriate site as part of

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the project ready readiness. The
shoreline path is not a downtown

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streetscape, civic plaza, or museum. is
one of San Rafll's most treasured

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shoreline parks where the landscape
itself is the destination. People come,

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walk, run, bicycle, observe the
wildlife, enjoy uninterrupted bay views

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of one of the last remaining tidal
natural tidal salt marshes. This

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proposal will introduce approximately 22
permanent interpretive stations along

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nearly two miles encouraging vis
visitors to stop, read, interact with

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digital content on a narrow shared use
recreational corridor.

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» I'm sorry, we're we're like 30 seconds
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» Okay. Can I just
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» Okay, that's fine. Um,

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it it will introduce approximately 22
permanent interpretive stations across

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nearly two miles, encouraging visitors
to stop, gather, read, interact with

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digital content on a narrow shared
shared use recreational corridor,

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blocking the same path frequented by
runners, cyclists, and fast moving

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ebikes and ecooters. The board should
ask these simple questions. Does this

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installation enhance the shoreline or
fundamentally change the experience

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people come to there to enjoy? Has the
applicant demonstrated that other

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alternative publicly accessible
locations were meaningfully evaluated?

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Um, in conclusion, this proposal is
unlike projects previously reviewed by

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PAR. It is not simply a mural or
sculpture. It's a permanent two-mile

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interpretive experience that becomes
part of the landscape itself. Your

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responsibility is not simply to
determine whether the part project has

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artistic or educational merit. It is to
determine whether the applicant has

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demonstrated that this proposal
satisfies the city's adoptive review

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criteria and that this shoreline park is
the appropriate location. We

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respectfully ask that these questions be
answered before any recommendation is

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made to the city council. Thank you.
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I live in Spker Point. Um, I'm going to
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practicality. One of the primary
justifications for this project is it

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will educate Canal students and serve
the 13,000 residents of the Canal

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neighborhood and also uh the students of
the Marin uh school system. We all agree

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again that this history deserves to be
told. Again, the question is whether or

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not the Shoreline Path is the right
classroom to bring a class here.

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Teachers would have to bring students on
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the direction that the exhibit goes,
they would park and then have to walk

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two to four miles along a along a shared
recreational trail to view signs and

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access QR codes. But I want to speak to
the rec the shared part of the

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recreational trail. It is a very narrow
path, very narrow. And it is full. It is

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always busy. So, if you how you can you
imagine moving school groups along uh of

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of young children and then and then also
there's lots of they're not supposed to

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be, but there's lots of um um motorized
traffic like scooters and bikes just

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zipping by. Um which is I think would be
a problem for school groups. Um but the

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so imagine the children are the school
children are going along. They're

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viewing signs in big clusters of groups
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digital features, which raises another
concern. Instead of experiencing the

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marsh wildlife scenic shoreline,
students will spend much of their time

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looking at phones and screens. The
experience becomes more like walking

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through an outdoor museum than one one
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park. And again, we've already talked
about the lack of facilities that is

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really critical for for school children.
And then um I can't even imagine that it

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meets any type of ADA uh requirements
where you could actually take school

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children. Um the the person who proposed
this project stated the project is

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warmly welcomed by the Marin school
superintendent. Well, we we reached out

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to John Carroll and he said he said my
role has not involved participation in

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the development location or visitor
logistics of the project itself. My role

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has been focused specifically on the art
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guess my time is up.

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» Jimmy
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artists and visual artists. We just
pulled together some pictures so you

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could see what we're talking about.
Um, this one is an actual scale sign.

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It's over at Chrissy Field in San
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is what it would look like for the child
standing at the sign. And there's one

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sign there. And it talks about what
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wildlife.
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path. It's the only one there.
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won't be on there. And this is 22 by 22
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this. This is how big those signs are
going to be. Okay, this is an actual

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interpretive. There's a definition for
interpretive signage, and it means it's

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wetland birds of walkman. If anybody's
ever been at Andy's Market, you know

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where that is before you get to the This
is all about the birds that live in this

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marsh. Um, this is the temporary exhibit
at the civic center that we were talking

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about and it's beautiful. It's music
through the decades in Marin. You've

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probably seen it if you went to the fair
or something and they've moved it a

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couple of times, but it gives you an
idea of how you could put large panels

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and there's parking there. You get the
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This is the path. This is what it looks
like when people are there. It's almost

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impassible. If you if the bike comes,
you've got to really You really got to

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do something.
>> And the bikes, you're missing the bikes

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whipping down.
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This is a flooded um this is a flooded
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any signs. It's privately owned and it's
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» unimproved. You have to walk through
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» and during the winter, can you tell them
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» Yeah, it's worse than this. Finally, wet
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» This is what happens to signage in that
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There's lots of graffiti on ba waste
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etc. This is the before and this is it
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for public comment.
>> I wasn't going to speak, but something

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that was just barely mentioned um but I
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with everything everyone said is
parking. Parking is a nightmare for us,

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particularly on the weekends, which
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time that the public would come to see
the exhibit. There are no parking

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spaces. I live on Spre Point Drive in
Spre Point. And um the parking at the

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other end um is negligible. Um there's a
few spaces. I can't imagine what

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wouldn't be happening with school buses
that are coming to find a place to wait

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for the people in our neighborhood.

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» By the way, um my name is Joanie Harris
and I live at Baypoint. Sorry, got all

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excited. My name is Susan Burns.

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» My name is Rich Stock and I'm here on
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which is the the author of this project.
And I know some of you may not know

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about this, but I just want to give you
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that's being designed, proposed.
This is one of 20 exhibits that will be

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on on the path. Um [clears throat]
the uh

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misinformation that I think some folks
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exhibits are going to be
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They'll be located
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together, which they're not. This is a
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project. The average space between these
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about a 2 to three minute walk between
one and the next. U this is a this is an

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actual
image showing one of the signs and the

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next one that's
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And that bears no resemblance to to
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you know, I look at these and I think,
you know, if I was evaluating a project

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that was as congested and as oversized
as this is depicted on the on the

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website that's been created, I would
object. But that's not what this is.

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This project began four years ago with
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saying, you know, we have never told our
story in public

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and uh this is an opportunity that we
can we can use. We worked with the city

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to see if this is a a feasible project.
City elected officials have been on our

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side and warmly receptive of the project
for all of this time. Uh the final

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approval of course won't be until it
goes to the city council after your

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board reviews it. U
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objections by uh by the loyal opposition
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uh that's to give you a a quick
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If there are any questions we're here to
represent saying it's opposition. We're

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not opposition.
>> This isn't a forum for discussion.

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» I'd like to supporting the art itself.
This isn't a forum for discussion right

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now.
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» Yeah. I'm just saying it should be a
public forum. [laughter]

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» So I understand democracy may be a
little bit different than it is here.

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» We just try to limit the back and forth
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» Um thanks. Uh we go next. Um I also want
people project of course. My name is

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Brian Shaw. Uh I live in S Sano. Um I've
been working with Rich uh as a project

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manager and a historian the project. Um,
I like I I think Omar Carrera of the

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Canal Alliance and a strong supporter of
the project put it really well uh when

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he spoke in support of the project and
said that for some time now we've been

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witnessing uh these scenes around the
country where Hispanic immigrants are

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reminded that some Americans feel they
don't belong here. And um he said that

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the beauty of this um public art a
public history is that it kind of

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counters that. Um now I know a sense of
history doesn't give like you know

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knowledge of the past doesn't give any
clear marching orders for present- day

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political debates about about uh doesn't
say how stringent or relaxed immigration

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policies should be or environmental
policies should be. But um the past can

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provide extremely important context and
guidance for how to conduct those

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debates. Um knowing that California was
part of Mexico not very long ago and

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before that was Coast Miwok land and
that our current bay is at least the

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third iteration of San Francisco Bay. uh
that just 20,000 years ago, Alcatraz was

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once again a hill rising over a lush
green valley and the coast was 20 miles

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out by the Fairine Islands. Is the sort
of knowledge surfaces questions um of

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how we can build and sustain resiliency
to live well and compassionately with

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each other and with the land here today.
Um now where should that story be told

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in a book? Um perhaps. But I I think um
history is about location and and I know

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when I walked the path with Mayor Kate
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Rich and and um tribal member Laurel
Ross of the Federated Indians of Great

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Rancheria. Lurel in particular stressed
um location that when you were talking

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about the Chief Maran where Maran County
gets its name. There's the Marin Marin

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Islands right um offshore um and talking
about some of the environmental lessons.

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Here's a um lagoon that could surface
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» sorry, that's that's time.
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know, I think it'd be a shame to let the
opportunity to tell this story in the

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place that it that it is would be a real
shame that way. Thank you.

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» Uh [clears throat]
Good afternoon everyone. Um, my name is

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Laura Himenez. I'm a Marine resident and
I have called this county home for 20

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years. I am the current president of the
board at the Ohio Center for the Arts. I

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spent nearly a decade supervising social
services and community programs at Canal

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Alliance and working alongside canal
families every day. I am here today

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because the discussion is ultimately
more about just public art. It's about

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how we choose to honor the history that
has shaped our community and whose

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histories we choose to make visible in
our shared public spaces. Over the

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years, I've learned that art has a
remarkable ability to create connection,

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foster understanding, and cultivate the
sense of belonging. Public art is not

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merely decoration. It is one of the ways
that communities preserve their

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collective memory. Places carry the
imprint of those who came before us. The

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canal is no exception. Its history has
not been written by a handful of people

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or a single generation. It has been
shaped over thousands of years by

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indigenous peoples, successive ways of
migration, working families,

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environmental change, and the many
communities that today continue to

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contribute to its identity. The peoples
of the canal project recognizes that

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this history is larger than any one of
us and invites us all to reflect on the

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many lives that have shaped this place.
I understand that some nearby residents

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have concerns. Their perspectives
clearly deserve to be heard, but public

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spaces exist to serve the broader
community. Projects like this invite

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reflection, learning, and dialogue. They
help us understand not only where we

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live, but how we arrived here together.
The proposed location is integral to the

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project's purpose. Moving it elsewhere
would separate the place from its

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history. I respectfully encourage you,
our civic leaders, to support the people

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of the canal project as planned. Context
matters. History matters. Place matters.

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Thank you.

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Hi everyone, my name is Aelia Vargas. I
live in the area the Canal and I'm come

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today because I support to reach and I
support the all the commenters with LA

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and I live uh in Canada for a long time
and I like the area

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the area park. I'm sorry my English is
not too good. So I try so the people

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walk with the dogs with the children
because it's open for the public are I'm

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00:34:14,879 --> 00:34:23,040
not sure is private or
I'm not sure

413
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:27,679
» because all the families it's only one
space for the old area. I don't have

414
00:34:25,839 --> 00:34:36,079
another space. I don't have another
park. So I walk to the park four days a

415
00:34:32,879 --> 00:34:40,560
week with my family with my a little dog
and I respect all the families and and

416
00:34:38,879 --> 00:34:48,079
the home.
I I support the art for each and the for

417
00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:55,480
community San Rafael and I'm very happy.
I like the colors. I like the murals and

418
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:55,480
I'm very happy. Thank you.

419
00:34:56,679 --> 00:34:58,699
» [laughter]

420
00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:07,680
» comments.
>> Can I ask a question? [clears throat]

421
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:12,400
» Just a quick question. Is Pickle
considered a park?

422
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:15,599
» Yes. Okay. So, it is a park near the
canal.

423
00:35:13,599 --> 00:35:19,200
» That's all I
>> Yeah.

424
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:23,760
» Can I say something else? I'm I'm just
wondering why there's a beautiful

425
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:27,440
community center, Pickleweed, that has a
lot of space and why not put the art

426
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:30,000
there where there's a big parking lot
where buses can go in.

427
00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:33,599
» I'm just going to pause, but again, this
so this is not an item that's on the

428
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:36,800
agenda and so we're not going to be able
to get into a dialogue or be able to

429
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:41,599
answer questions.
>> I'm not asking for an answer on that.

430
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:45,839
It's a rhetorical question to consider a
different location. No, everyone here

431
00:35:43,839 --> 00:35:49,920
has has acknowledged the art's
important. Absolutely. the history and

432
00:35:48,079 --> 00:35:54,240
the art, but it needs to be in the right
place

433
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:58,560
» and not in on a very narrow strip where
we want to look at nature and there's no

434
00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:03,920
parking, you know. So, there's this
beautiful community center.

435
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:08,400
» Again, like I said, context
to one comment per per person during the

436
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:11,440
public comment period at this time. So,
again, this is not a forum for back and

437
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:15,760
forth discussion. Thank you.
>> Right. Thank you.

438
00:36:13,599 --> 00:36:19,880
Any
other comments?

439
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,880
» Yes, right here.

440
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:26,440
» Excuse me. My uh comment is in Spanish.
Okay.

441
00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:37,240
Australia.

442
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,960
Last

443
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:32,720
I'm happy to translate to you if you
want to please. Yes, please.

444
00:37:29,599 --> 00:37:36,320
» My name is Deon. I live in the canal. My
family is in the canal. I happen to work

445
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:41,280
with Rich Durk and some of his to
support some of his projects. Uh this is

446
00:37:39,839 --> 00:37:45,680
one of the few places that I have where
I can go with my children. I feel that

447
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:48,720
this project represents me. I feel as
though I want to walk down that path

448
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:54,480
with my children and being able to share
where we came from uh where we where

449
00:37:51,680 --> 00:38:00,079
we're headed and uh it's one of the few
places that I have I'm summarizing.

450
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:05,560
Uh [clears throat] but I fully support
uh this project because I feel it

451
00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:05,560
represents me and my community.

452
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,240
» My um

453
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,560
for

454
00:38:48,079 --> 00:38:54,079
same thing. I didn't catch their names,
but you know, they often walk the path

455
00:38:52,160 --> 00:39:00,280
back and forth. They love the area. They
love being in it, and they feel

456
00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:00,280
identified by this project.

457
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,680
» Okay.

458
00:39:18,682 --> 00:39:20,702
» [clears throat]

459
00:40:19,599 --> 00:40:26,320
» My name is Felix, I'm a member of the
Bosel Canal organization in the canal

460
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:29,680
area. He and his family and his dogs,
you know, it's important to go with your

461
00:40:27,839 --> 00:40:35,280
dogs and go out. They walk the path.
They think it's a beautiful area and he

462
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:40,079
feels as though having this uh exhibit
and the art enhances the beauty of the

463
00:40:37,839 --> 00:40:44,720
area and he feels as though it's a way
to tell the story even for people from

464
00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:48,000
who come from outside. If they are here,
then they can show their families and

465
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:51,599
relatives from out of town, from out of
state, from out of the country. you know

466
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:55,640
what the history is like in the canal
for and where they come from.

467
00:40:59,839 --> 00:41:09,400
» Can I just was this about the Miwok?
We're limited to one public comment per

468
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,400
person at this time.

469
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:47,440
her name, which I missed. Sorry. Uh, but
she supports Rich's program. her

470
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:54,480
daughter uh is part of the school of
muralists that she belongs to and she's

471
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:59,440
able to um show her feelings not just
the art through this uh you know through

472
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:04,000
the work that she does as a muralist
with Rich's project but she supports

473
00:42:01,839 --> 00:42:08,319
this uh project exactly because that
because rather than just have graffiti

474
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:13,880
to have something that's historical that
tells the story that is beautiful is

475
00:42:10,319 --> 00:42:13,880
something that she supports.

476
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:26,000
Hey, like a really quick thing. I'm
listening to everyone. There's not one

477
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:32,640
person in this room who doesn't want
this project to go through. Not one

478
00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:38,480
person. We are all in favor of the of
the art project going through. The only

479
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,839
issue is the safety.
>> Have you already spoken?

480
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:45,079
» Yeah, I did.
>> Yeah. Okay. I just want to again just

481
00:42:41,839 --> 00:42:45,079
one comment.

482
00:42:45,599 --> 00:42:54,079
» Okay. I just I just want to finish by
saying that our concern comes because of

483
00:42:52,000 --> 00:43:00,160
the safety the because it's not
permanent. path is is not permanent

484
00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:05,760
because of what's planned and because
it's um

485
00:43:03,359 --> 00:43:11,839
the the best place is where people can
come together in a community center

486
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:16,800
where there's where there's restrooms
where there's picnic areas where there's

487
00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:23,359
water none of which are available on the
path and it's a four mile round trip for

488
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:27,760
children so um and crossing undeveloped
areas So

489
00:43:25,839 --> 00:43:32,079
please,
you know, support the project, but

490
00:43:30,079 --> 00:43:39,960
support it in a place where we really
can enjoy it. That's just

491
00:43:36,319 --> 00:43:39,960
» other public comments.

492
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:53,119
» I am closing public comment. Uh
[clears throat]

493
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:57,280
any uh staff care to respond to
questions raised during public?

494
00:43:55,280 --> 00:44:00,640
» Yeah, I'll just again thank you all of
you for being here. I know that you have

495
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:04,079
gone out of your way to be here, taking
time out of your schedules and I just

496
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:08,160
want to acknowledge that. I'm also going
to acknowledge that you know at this

497
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:12,560
point in time the city has not received
a formal proposal that has come to the

498
00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:16,480
public art review board for review and
so this topic has not been brought to

499
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:21,680
the public art review board at this
point in time. Um the city has created a

500
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:24,960
project web page um that is on our
website. So if you go to the city's

501
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:29,760
website and look up the peoples of the
canal project, you will find information

502
00:44:27,119 --> 00:44:34,640
there including uh the timeline, the
city's review process, information to

503
00:44:32,319 --> 00:44:38,880
date, uh the proposal as we understand
it at this point. And that is a page

504
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:43,920
we'll keep updated as we receive
information from the project team. We'll

505
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:47,599
make sure that that page is updated. And
we'll also make sure that um anyone

506
00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:51,440
who's corresponded with the city to this
point. As I mentioned, we have a project

507
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:55,200
file that we're keeping. So, if you have
any written correspondence that you'd

508
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:58,400
like to share, we will collect that.
We'll also be communicating to try to

509
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:02,480
make sure everyone's aware of how they
can stay involved and make sure their

510
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:06,560
voice is heard as the project is routed
through the city's review process. So,

511
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:10,560
want to share that information.
>> Will there be any opportunity? We're

512
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:14,160
gonna we're not going to take questions
right now at this point in time for this

513
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:18,480
topic since the public comment period
has.

514
00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:20,720
» Okay. This is just a procedural
procedural question.

515
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:25,440
» Go ahead.
>> When it is on the agenda,

516
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:29,839
» is there an opportunity to actually have
a dialogue service?

517
00:45:28,319 --> 00:45:32,880
» I can talk with you offline a little
more.

518
00:45:31,359 --> 00:45:35,760
» Yeah, you can. If you have any written
statements or comments that you'd like

519
00:45:34,319 --> 00:45:37,920
to share, I can [clears throat] collect
those.

520
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,599
» Thank you. Thank you for your time.
Appreciate it.

521
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:45,880
» Thank you so much.
>> Thank you so much. I appreciate it.

522
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:45,880
Thank you. City of Sanel.

523
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,431
» And you're welcome, but stay for the
rest of [clears throat]

524
00:45:52,319 --> 00:45:57,240
» those.
Yes.

525
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:06,079
» It's okay. You can leave them.
>> I can take out a couple of chairs.

526
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:12,680
» Thank you all.
>> Thank you so much. Thanks. Thank you.

527
00:46:08,319 --> 00:46:12,680
Thank you very much for listening.

528
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:29,599
» Give it just a quick pause as people are
are

529
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:34,319
acting chair. I'll turn it back over to
you.

530
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:37,839
» Well, fun night to be acting.
>> What?

531
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:42,560
I know. He's like, "Is this okay with
you?" I'm like, "Sure." And then

532
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:46,319
» 25 people on a non-aggenda item. Okay.
>> Am I able to ask a question about the

533
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:48,800
process to move on
>> at this point? But if you have a

534
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:52,720
question, yeah,
>> I I I mean, just for all of us to be on

535
00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:58,560
the same page, I'm looking at the page
um that explains the process and and

536
00:46:55,040 --> 00:47:03,200
what I see is this project is on hold
with internal staff review with city

537
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:08,400
staff. And then once [clears throat]
that if if that is

538
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:10,240
if it's approved to the next stage then
it would come to the public art review

539
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:13,599
board.
>> Yeah.

540
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:19,200
» Yeah. So as I mentioned we at this point
the city has not received a proposal. We

541
00:47:16,319 --> 00:47:24,319
we have received what I would call an
informal

542
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:27,119
um conceptual plan. Um and if you go to
the project web page you'll you'll be

543
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:31,599
able to see a little more information
about what that is and what's comprised.

544
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:35,839
But at this point, we haven't received
um what we would deem a formal proposal

545
00:47:33,839 --> 00:47:40,800
that could be submitted to the public
art review. So, at this point, it's

546
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:44,880
really with the Canal Arts and their
project stakeholders. Um they're

547
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:49,760
continuing, my understanding is they're
continuing to refine the project scope.

548
00:47:47,119 --> 00:47:56,480
They're continuing to um engage the
community and we're encouraging them to

549
00:47:53,839 --> 00:48:00,000
um really consider community feedback so
that they can develop a proposal

550
00:47:58,319 --> 00:48:05,359
proposal that's in alignment with our
public art board guidelines. And we're

551
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:10,560
not sure when we'll receive a proposal
and at what point it would then come to

552
00:48:08,079 --> 00:48:15,839
the board to continue in that formal
review process. As a follow-up question

553
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:19,359
then I am curious to know how how are we
defining public art and how did this

554
00:48:17,839 --> 00:48:24,240
project
fall under the public art umbrella

555
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:26,079
versus the historical society or parks
and wreck.

556
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:30,480
» Yeah. And I think this is where we're
kind of getting into the the um

557
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:33,280
potential where this becomes more of a
discussion about something that's not on

558
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:36,079
the agenda. And so I think I'm going to
pause it at that point with the

559
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:40,240
understanding that
>> clearly there's a lot of community

560
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:46,160
interest in this topic. there's some
questions and this hasn't been formally

561
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:49,760
brought to you to really you know advise
or clarify on any of those kind of

562
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:55,359
questions but uh it is something I think
at a staff level we've been tracking

563
00:48:51,760 --> 00:49:01,200
since 2022 is a proposal that we've been
aware of um and we've been really just

564
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:04,559
advising the the project stakeholders on
what our review process would look like.

565
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:08,880
So, I'd be happy to share additional
information with the board and make sure

566
00:49:06,559 --> 00:49:12,240
that you feel well informed um so that
you can be prepared for if and when this

567
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:15,760
proposal will come your way.
>> Just to follow up on that person's

568
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:20,160
question,
when it does come to us, is there going

569
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:23,839
to be maybe invited to come in here and
have a dialogue? That feels like that's

570
00:49:21,839 --> 00:49:28,720
not that's not a thing, right?
>> So, we would follow our standard

571
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:32,800
process. Um, so if if a topic comes to
the public art read board, anyone from

572
00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:37,599
the public is welcome to come and
participate as part of the meeting

573
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:41,119
format. Now, prior to that, I'd
encourage we've encouraged the canal

574
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:44,480
arts to engage the community in a
variety of ways. again that there's

575
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:50,720
information on the website about that,
but I I do know that um they have um

576
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:54,880
they've been they've convened I think
several community meetings and

577
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:59,760
gatherings to really hear from
interested individuals and uh but yeah,

578
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:05,119
there would be a process that we would
have in our meeting format to allow any

579
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:08,559
anyone to speak on agenda item um very
similar to what we heard tonight. There

580
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:12,559
would be an opportunity for people to to
speak. There'll be an opportunity for

581
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:17,040
you as board members to ask questions,
to have dialogue with staff and the the

582
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:22,480
project stakeholders and then an
opportunity to really discuss uh and

583
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:26,319
then ultimately make a decision for any
topic that comes forward to the board.

584
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:31,200
That's true for you know for any topic
involve that process

585
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:34,960
» and I'm assuming any other questions
after the meeting's been adjourned

586
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:38,240
related to this specifically. I'm happy
to share additional information and if

587
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:43,680
you have follow-up questions, you'd like
more information, happy to answer.

588
00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:47,559
» Okay. Yeah.
>> Um, moving on.

589
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:55,200
» Uh, we're going to review the Centerfell
uh big utility box art program, the

590
00:50:53,119 --> 00:50:59,400
proposal to paint five utility box art
murals downtown

591
00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:07,280
» images. I'm gonna do a quick little
intro just to make sure Bo is is with us

592
00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:11,280
» and yeah, I think that's okay.
>> Um, we're hearing noise outside the

593
00:51:09,599 --> 00:51:15,359
room, so we're just gonna rearrange the
room very quick.

594
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:18,079
» But Bo, thank you for joining us. Hey
guys,

595
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:24,559
» I'll let you introduce yourself, but
just for a quick introduction, um, this

596
00:51:21,599 --> 00:51:29,440
is a proposal from the Sanfeld Business
Improvement District by the Santafeld

597
00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:35,599
Chamber of Commerce to paint by the
utility boxes in downtown San Rafll with

598
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:41,839
art murals. And uh, so I'm going to turn
it over to you, Bo, but I'm also happy

599
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:46,079
to share my screen with the um, proposal
at any point if you want to walk through

600
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:51,200
that. um just let me know.
>> Yeah, thank you. Um [clears throat] so I

601
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:58,880
am the board chair of the Sanfell
Chamber of Commerce and of course with

602
00:51:53,359 --> 00:52:03,359
uh the U CEO recently departing um part
of the reason why I'm in this meeting

603
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:08,720
and representing the B as well. Um but
basically the discussion yeah is about

604
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:13,599
the utility boxes and one in particular
with the mission. Uh there's one right

605
00:52:10,559 --> 00:52:20,000
in front there um that we were
considering as one of the locations and

606
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:25,920
uh just upon the timing review and uh
just out of respect for wanting to get

607
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:31,119
feedback before uh proposing that that
box in particular because of just the

608
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:35,760
location and the sensibilities of the
visual with the mission right there. uh

609
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:41,280
that we at this time would would propose
or would um suggest looking at a

610
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:47,760
different location for that specific box
to be uh painted. And um you know and

611
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:53,760
circle back uh at a time if you know we
do get to the point of painting more of

612
00:52:49,680 --> 00:53:01,040
the boxes to um you know approach the
mission and get feedback as to um you

613
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:07,359
know their thoughts on both that and if
so what kind of um you know what kind of

614
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:12,800
uh look and feel that they would you
know prefer or just have their input on

615
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:19,440
and get their thoughts. um given that it
is a rather you know uh important part

616
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:24,559
of both the mission city and the mission
itself. So um that's that's really the

617
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:29,839
the kind of one note I think coming off
of that. Uh Craig feel free to kind of

618
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:34,000
jump in with any um you know additional
details or if you're I'm sorry too. I'm

619
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:39,599
on my phone so I'm kind of on a trail
right now trying to chime in but um

620
00:53:36,559 --> 00:53:43,440
that's uh that's the gist.
Yeah, I I appreciate that, Bo. And I

621
00:53:41,599 --> 00:53:46,720
might just share um a couple things just
to kind of frame up the decision in

622
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:52,640
front of the review board right now.
This is um uh this is a as an overview

623
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:58,079
of the project. Um the the downtown
business Improvement District is

624
00:53:54,720 --> 00:54:03,040
proposing a a partnership using um it's
the California Art Council grant funds

625
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:07,760
that were received by the Sanfell Arts
District um which just recently

626
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:10,559
rebranded. I see that um member
Schoffler is here and has some

627
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:16,000
information about some of the rebranding
for that district. But this would be um

628
00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:20,319
a proposal to utilize around $10,000 of
those funds to support painting five of

629
00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:25,200
the utility boxes in downtown. The the
bid's long-term goal is to create a

630
00:54:22,079 --> 00:54:30,240
sustainable annual program where they
would like to um use bid fundraising or

631
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:36,559
local sponsorship dollars to install at
least one additional painted utility box

632
00:54:33,119 --> 00:54:42,880
annually. Um this would be building upon
the utility box painting project that

633
00:54:38,559 --> 00:54:47,280
happened in 2024 through the Sanfell um
Chamber of Commerce's leadership

634
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:51,440
institute. Um you may recall that year
they proposed to paint I believe fix

635
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:56,319
boxes that were painted around downtown
and so this would be building upon

636
00:54:53,839 --> 00:55:02,160
really that um kind of that portfolio
that the city has of public art in a

637
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:06,400
utility box program. So the the bid
launched an open call for artists in

638
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:12,880
spring 2026. They received 20
submissions from artists. Um those were

639
00:55:09,839 --> 00:55:17,760
then um reviewed by a committee um of
the Sanfell Arts District key

640
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:22,880
stakeholders that really took a look at
the artistic quality, the originality,

641
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:27,839
public appropriateness, alignment with
the city's review guidelines. And

642
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:33,839
ultimately they selected five artists
and designs that they felt really spoke

643
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:40,240
to the theme of the call which was
Sanfell the the heart of Marin um was

644
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:46,960
the theme. Uh and so we attached as as
part of the agenda um an overview of the

645
00:55:43,119 --> 00:55:51,440
program as well as the bids um there the
guidelines um for that call for artists.

646
00:55:49,599 --> 00:55:56,880
The overview
um that uh also included a project

647
00:55:54,160 --> 00:56:03,680
timeline. Um what the bid is proposing
is that if you know if the review board

648
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:07,760
um uh approves this project uh you're
you would be recommending the project to

649
00:56:05,599 --> 00:56:13,040
then go to the city council for final
review. This would be deemed a long-term

650
00:56:11,119 --> 00:56:17,599
art installation greater than one year
which requires our city council to

651
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:23,440
review uh and make that final
determination and approval. So, um, if

652
00:56:20,799 --> 00:56:29,680
tonight the the review board approves,
uh, this would then go to city council

653
00:56:25,599 --> 00:56:35,200
at, I believe it is our August, I think
it's the 17th meeting. That's when we

654
00:56:32,720 --> 00:56:40,240
would, um, plan to bring this to council
for review. Uh, if council reviewed and

655
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:44,319
approved, then the installation, the box
would be prepped shortly thereafter.

656
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:47,680
Installation and painting would begin
uh, as soon thereafter as possible. I

657
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:51,680
think these will likely be installed
sometime in late August through early

658
00:56:49,839 --> 00:56:54,880
September.
Um,

659
00:56:53,280 --> 00:57:00,240
uh, from a staff perspective, you know,
we've reviewed the proposal. Um, we've,

660
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:04,720
uh, reviewed the, you know, uh,
supplemental information and we think

661
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:09,040
that this proposal is in alignment with
our guidelines. Um, I've, uh, connected

662
00:57:07,119 --> 00:57:12,880
with our public works department to
confirm that these utility boxes are

663
00:57:10,799 --> 00:57:16,480
appropriate to paint. uh that they're
not going to change anytime in the near

664
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:21,119
future. And they've confirmed uh they
actually gave us a list of about 10

665
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:25,119
utility boxes that are traffic control
boxes in the town that are owned by the

666
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:30,720
city and we felt would be appropriate to
be part of this type of a program. Um of

667
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:35,200
those 10 boxes, um the five that are
being proposed are ones that um the bid

668
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:39,440
felt would be a really good fit for the
program right now. And as as Bo

669
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:44,400
mentioned, there was one box initially
proposed at the intersection of Fifth

670
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:49,280
and A Street, which is right in front of
the mission. And I think um wanted to

671
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:53,280
maybe touch base more broadly, more
community engagement about that

672
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:58,880
particular location. Um so given the
timeline, um that's been revised and

673
00:57:55,920 --> 00:58:04,000
instead of that location, um the uh the
proposal you received is accurate. It

674
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:09,200
actually identifies I believe it is
fourth in Lutens was the alternate

675
00:58:06,319 --> 00:58:13,280
location that was selected. So you know
in the future I think there are still

676
00:58:10,799 --> 00:58:17,920
quite a few boxes that are unpainted or
potentially um boxes that have been

677
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:21,920
painted in the past that might be fading
or coming up where it might be an

678
00:58:19,599 --> 00:58:25,760
opportunity for a refresh. So in future
cycles if this program um continues

679
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:32,079
there'd still be plenty of opportunity
to consider that location or others

680
00:58:28,079 --> 00:58:36,640
future. So, so things that um uh we'd
ask the board really to be considering u

681
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:42,000
project readiness. Uh it appears from a
staff level this project would be ready

682
00:58:38,319 --> 00:58:47,839
to go. Um there's available budget. Um
the um they the bid has um confirmed

683
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:51,920
that these artists would be ready to
sign the city's art license agreement uh

684
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:55,040
which is kind of a standard process for
us to make sure that we have an

685
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:59,599
agreement in place.
um they would be ready for installation

686
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:05,760
for prep of the boxes. They would also
be intending to uh apply an

687
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:10,240
anti-graffiti coating and um hopefully
extend the lifespan of these boxes which

688
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:15,359
would be expected to be about five
years. I think that would be the

689
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:19,599
expected lifespan for these. Um, so I
think at this point, like I mentioned,

690
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:23,920
I'd be happy to pull up the artwork or
to review the proposal, uh, if you'd

691
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:28,799
like to explore that, but uh, staff's
recommendation would be to, uh, approve

692
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:33,680
this proposal to advance to the city
council for final review.

693
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:36,640
» I think everyone probably would like to
see them.

694
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:41,880
» Yeah. Yeah.
Let me share my screen just a little

695
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:41,880
bit.

696
00:59:54,681 --> 01:00:01,920
» [clears throat]
>> Okay. So, I'm going to scroll down uh

697
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:08,480
one by one here in no particular order.
This is uh piece with artist Ricky Watts

698
01:00:05,599 --> 01:00:13,599
titled Horizon in Motion.
And at the bottom of this uh packet, I

699
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:19,160
believe it it show identifies where
these particular boxes are proposed,

700
01:00:15,599 --> 01:00:19,160
where they'd be located.

701
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:23,160
This is piece number one

702
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:31,559
and some examples of past completed
work.

703
01:00:35,359 --> 01:00:40,520
See if I can zoom in one level here.

704
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:45,240
This is small on this screen.

705
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:55,960
Okay, this is the second piece. This is
Brandon Baker

706
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:10,839
and some
additional [snorts] examples of past

707
01:01:07,839 --> 01:01:10,839
work

708
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:25,920
and I am not going to pronounce this
last name correctly.

709
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:28,799
Nicole Andrajowskus.
>> Sounds good.

710
01:01:26,799 --> 01:01:32,400
» I was gonna say that.
>> Sorry if you're if you're listening and

711
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:36,520
I got it wrong, but [clears throat]
titled Heart in the Right Place.

712
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:48,200
Some examples of past work here.

713
01:01:52,582 --> 01:01:57,880
» [clears throat and cough]
>> This next piece, this is Delin Escalita

714
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:09,640
and an example of some past work here

715
01:02:16,319 --> 01:02:19,440
and Oscar Morales.

716
01:02:25,599 --> 01:02:30,680
some examples of past work here.

717
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:46,480
So these locations here, the the first
piece would be

718
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:52,240
Watts piece and that would be located at
Fourth and East Street.

719
01:02:49,839 --> 01:02:58,440
See kind of corresponding number one on
the map on the left. Second would be

720
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:58,440
Fourth and C.

721
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:09,720
Third, again, this was um originally
proposed at fifth and A. I believe this

722
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:09,720
is now proposed at fourth in Newton.

723
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:20,680
The fourth would be at third in Newton.
And then the um fifth box here, fourth

724
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:20,680
in Heatherton.

725
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:31,920
And then just for context, I really
appreciated that the bid included a a

726
01:03:29,839 --> 01:03:37,960
map here in the proposal that showed
locations of other currently painted

727
01:03:34,559 --> 01:03:37,960
utility boxes.

728
01:03:39,599 --> 01:03:48,280
Try to zoom out a little bit just to see
if we can see them all here. So the

729
01:03:44,559 --> 01:03:48,280
currently painted boxes.

730
01:03:50,559 --> 01:03:58,000
Okay. And uh Bo, anything else that you
would like to add here?

731
01:03:55,119 --> 01:04:02,880
» No, Greg, you did a great job. Um but
yeah, that's uh the one box that we were

732
01:04:01,119 --> 01:04:06,799
uh going to be have scheduled that we,
you know, readjusted, but that doesn't

733
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:14,039
mean that we can't um you know, revisit
that in the future for additional ones.

734
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:14,039
But, uh yeah, good job.

735
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:21,720
» I think at this point we would turn it
over to the board for any questions.

736
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:29,359
Hi Bo,
it's Jennifer talking. Um,

737
01:04:28,079 --> 01:04:31,280
» hey Jennifer,
>> how are you?

738
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:37,200
» Oh, good.
>> Um, looks like a great project and um, I

739
01:04:35,039 --> 01:04:40,599
love the theme,
>> heart of Maren.

740
01:04:42,079 --> 01:04:46,640
» Oh, we have some background noise.
>> Yeah, sorry. There's some people

741
01:04:45,839 --> 01:04:51,599
talking.
>> Oh, [snorts] that's okay. Um, and I

742
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:55,280
think that all the artworks have a lot
of artistic merit. I'm just wondering if

743
01:04:53,599 --> 01:04:59,680
you could talk about how you think they
connect to that theme, Heart of Marin.

744
01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:04,160
And and I also was just wondering if the
Chamber of Commerce planned to

745
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:08,480
really connect that theme with the
utility boxes in any way. If there if

746
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:13,680
there was sort of, you know, like a a
graphic or if you were going to actually

747
01:05:10,079 --> 01:05:18,240
use that as um even just part of a brand
for San Rafale. I think it just has a

748
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:22,960
lot of potential. and I loved it when I
saw it. And so I'm just I'm just curious

749
01:05:21,039 --> 01:05:28,640
about the connection to this art and
that theme and whether that's something

750
01:05:24,559 --> 01:05:36,720
you're going to amplify a little more or
um you know use it on the boxes at all.

751
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:41,839
» Um for the themes themselves that was
kind of the artist interpretation

752
01:05:39,039 --> 01:05:47,599
of the heart of Marin. So that's you
know kind of each one's source and uh

753
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:51,200
inspiration. So that was the connecting
tissue. Now in terms of the you know

754
01:05:49,839 --> 01:05:56,640
look and feel of the art, of course
that's kind of subjective of to whether

755
01:05:53,280 --> 01:06:00,799
they um to that degree accomplish that.
Um as of right now um you know I don't

756
01:05:59,359 --> 01:06:08,640
know if we're going to put like the
actual new branding of the Sanfell Arts

757
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:13,680
logo anywhere on there. Um, you know, it
is something that we just uh put

758
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:21,359
together or at least rebranded and that
I think was be after this uh project had

759
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:26,240
already been um you know proposed and
and and in in the works. So that wasn't

760
01:06:24,319 --> 01:06:31,440
a part of that. That doesn't mean it
can't happen in the future or look to

761
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:35,839
see how that could be done. Um but at
the state of this uh submission right

762
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:41,680
now that's this is the uh the intent
from the artist's point of view.

763
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:46,079
» Yeah too I think if you go into the
proposal um four I think at least four

764
01:06:44,559 --> 01:06:51,359
of the artists have kind of added a
little narrative about how their artwork

765
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:55,039
how they feel it ties in with that theme
heart of Marin. So I think it speaks a

766
01:06:53,119 --> 01:06:59,760
little bit to that. And then um we have
seen in some of these um the public art

767
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:06,000
installations that have recent rec
recently been installed um supplemental

768
01:07:03,119 --> 01:07:10,160
signage or branding or an opportunity to
link back to a project web page. And so

769
01:07:08,799 --> 01:07:15,599
I think that is definitely an
opportunity and I think that um u prior

770
01:07:13,119 --> 01:07:18,960
to bringing it to city council um if
that's something that the bid would like

771
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:22,400
to add, we probably just want to include
that to make sure it's really clear that

772
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:25,680
that would be attached, right? What that
branding would look like. But um I I

773
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:29,119
think on a staff level we're supportive
of that. We want to make sure people

774
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:32,640
really understand how these types of
projects came to be, how they can get

775
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:36,480
involved and how they can get more
information about the type of public art

776
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:41,760
in our community.
Yeah. And I also just wanted to add that

777
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:49,280
given that this was um a project through
the through the formerly uh DSRAD now

778
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:55,680
Marin arts uh group centerfell arts
group that you know it was uh first you

779
01:07:53,359 --> 01:08:01,359
know sourced there and vetted through
that group before going through with the

780
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:09,440
B as well. though um there would be
input beyond just uh the B's um you know

781
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:16,960
additions to it but I do think that on
an overall you know scope that branding

782
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:23,920
and continue to brand and mark and show
all the different the breadth of ways in

783
01:08:19,440 --> 01:08:28,560
which the San Rafale Arts is going to be
you know implemented around town that it

784
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:34,080
is smart to be able to to have it be
recognized in that way.

785
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:39,839
» Yeah, I think it's I think it adds a lot
to have it feel connected because the

786
01:08:36,799 --> 01:08:44,159
art is so individual and different for
each utility box. There isn't for

787
01:08:42,319 --> 01:08:49,600
someone just passing by an understanding
of how it is connected or or you know

788
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:53,440
without without super visible heart
graphics.

789
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:57,040
um either it's the theme that you might
want to connect it to or maybe you do

790
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:59,759
want to connect it to San Rafale Arts
and have that emblem on every utility

791
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:03,440
box so that
>> it's supposed to be on there. [laughter]

792
01:09:01,279 --> 01:09:07,040
» Okay. Yeah. I I mean I just think that
just makes it more powerful and

793
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:11,199
understandable for everyone
>> than just kind of a oneoff why is that

794
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:16,960
there and why is that one there and I
mean just to show that it's a program.

795
01:09:14,239 --> 01:09:20,560
» Yeah. Um,
and I love the theme. And so if Heart of

796
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:25,199
Marin is a theme and it's going to be
played out in other places,

797
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:29,123
I I I mean, I'm just thinking this is
this is there's an opportunity to maybe

798
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:32,319
just strengthen that communication.
[clears throat]

799
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:37,440
I'll just say Heart of Marine is already
a pre-existing thing. This is the heart

800
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:41,839
of San Rafale. So, we'd have to um and
so um that's like its own I keep saying

801
01:09:40,319 --> 01:09:47,839
that, but I like Heart of Marine is like
a whole awards thing that's tied to

802
01:09:45,839 --> 01:09:53,839
Yeah, the the heart of Marin is actually
an CV and L awards day.

803
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:54,880
» So this is, you know, the heart of San
Rafll.

804
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:59,040
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. But no, your your point is well

805
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:03,360
made, Jennifer, and I think that they're
some are more like I would say clearly

806
01:10:01,440 --> 01:10:08,080
tied to the theme than others, but I do
think that the um the artist statements

807
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:12,239
help illuminate. Um the one that I think
was the probably the most like

808
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:17,360
» why is this here? The owie one. Yeah.
>> So, that actually that person has done

809
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:20,880
boxes throughout the Bay Area.
>> Um, and they get a lot of attention and

810
01:10:19,199 --> 01:10:25,679
people kind of like seek them out almost
like an Instagrammable thing.

811
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:29,360
» So, I think that was more of why people
were excited. I mean, they had a nice

812
01:10:27,440 --> 01:10:33,360
artist statement, but I think that was
more based on like it's a little bit of

813
01:10:31,199 --> 01:10:38,640
a big deal to have one in your town.
>> Yeah. So, but yeah, everything that is

814
01:10:36,159 --> 01:10:44,800
funded by the Sanfell Arts is supposed
to have and will have um like some sort

815
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:47,360
of logo and then we all all of them are
supposed to say somewhere and I think

816
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:50,880
all the ones that were done before do
say California Arts Council somewhere on

817
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:53,840
them if that's also a requirement of the
grant.

818
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:58,960
» Just just a thought on the owl design.
Um, and this just just occurred to me,

819
01:10:57,040 --> 01:11:04,000
but just with wildcare here in San
Rafale, that to me is maybe a connection

820
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:08,640
to that emblem. And I don't know if
there's a way to pull that in or whether

821
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:15,679
the I'm sure the artist didn't mean it
that way, but um maybe there's a way to

822
01:11:11,679 --> 01:11:19,600
connect it back to Wildcare. Um,
and I don't know if you're looking for

823
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:24,000
sponsors for the boxes, but I'm just
>> Yeah, it's an idea.

824
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:30,400
» Yeah.
So the the but the to that end the

825
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:35,199
budget like this is all the $10,000 we
we can go I mean I don't know if we do

826
01:11:32,159 --> 01:11:40,560
that it covers the artist fees the
supplies all of that

827
01:11:37,199 --> 01:11:46,640
» that's um at our staff level that's my
understanding is that yes that the bid

828
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:51,920
has developed the budget um I I'm trying
to pull it up just to verify

829
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:58,719
um but I believe um I believe that
they've allocated ated um $1,300 would

830
01:11:56,320 --> 01:12:03,360
be the artist tip. Um that would include
their time and materials. So that would

831
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:08,320
be a total of 6,500. Um they have
included a budget for some box prep, the

832
01:12:06,159 --> 01:12:14,640
cleaning, sanding, priming, the paint
associated with that, that anti-graffiti

833
01:12:10,480 --> 01:12:18,400
coating. Um and at the end some
photography, so some marketing and

834
01:12:16,239 --> 01:12:23,040
promotion that would help support that.
uh as well as some um some admin costs

835
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:26,040
just to to help administer the program.
So

836
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:33,520
» yeah, the the sponsorship is an
interesting idea. Um but these are

837
01:12:31,679 --> 01:12:38,239
funded all you know in terms of budgeted
already. So, um yeah, but it is an

838
01:12:36,239 --> 01:12:43,840
interesting idea.
>> And Bo, my my understanding is that um

839
01:12:41,199 --> 01:12:48,159
as I mentioned that the um the B is
interested in, you know, doing this on

840
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:53,440
an annual basis and would be interested
in looking for sponsors for future

841
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:58,800
cycles. I think what I saw in the um
call for artists and the program

842
01:12:55,360 --> 01:13:02,239
description was the possibility of um
businesses, community members,

843
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:07,280
organizations potentially sponsoring a
box in the future for around $2,000,

844
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:10,640
which would on a you know box bybox
basis help support some of those

845
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:15,120
operational costs. Is that a fairly
accurate description?

846
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:19,520
» That is. It's just not part of this the
exact proposal. But yeah, it is, you

847
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:25,360
know, because right now the the grant is
coming to a close uh soon. So the money

848
01:13:23,199 --> 01:13:29,760
that has been allocated is allocated
already for this specific proposal. But

849
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:34,480
we do, like I mentioned, you know, want
to leave the door open for, you know,

850
01:13:32,159 --> 01:13:37,360
the additional boxes to be covered.
>> No.

851
01:13:36,716 --> 01:13:41,600
[laughter]
>> Sound like someone just said no.

852
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:48,880
» Yeah. I have another question if there's
time. Um, just curious how the locations

853
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:51,679
were chosen for the various artworks.
>> Um, I

854
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:56,719
» I mean like how did you choose to have
the owl box in its spot versus the

855
01:13:54,719 --> 01:13:59,360
hummingbirds in its spot? You know, was
there a reason for that?

856
01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:04,640
» Can't chime in on that one. I I am not
was not part of that process.

857
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:09,520
» B, do you have any insight into that?
Um, all I do know there is that we, you

858
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:14,400
know, worked with the city to identify
which boxes would be available or which

859
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:19,840
ones were eligible for this. Um, the
rhyme or reason behind that, um, I

860
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:28,080
cannot talk speak to off the top of my
head here. Um, I can find out. Um but I

861
01:14:24,159 --> 01:14:33,199
do know that there was um you know some
thought given to each one given the

862
01:14:30,719 --> 01:14:38,719
artist I believe and you know and then
that was a result of what their artwork

863
01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:43,840
was uh that they ended up presenting. So
um it wasn't you know from what I know

864
01:14:41,679 --> 01:14:48,080
I'd have to find out exactly what the
what the logic was in terms of the

865
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:52,480
actual placement of each one.
>> Okay. Yeah. I mean, you just mentioned

866
01:14:50,480 --> 01:14:57,040
that one being more Instagrammable. Is
that a place where I I I'm having a hard

867
01:14:55,520 --> 01:15:02,000
time following the map on my tiny little
phone, but um yeah, you wouldn't want

868
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:06,719
that on a super busy street where it
would be hard for people to stop if that

869
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:09,600
was a goal, you know, to have that be
something that you wanted people to stop

870
01:15:08,239 --> 01:15:13,360
and be able to look at and gather
around.

871
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:17,199
» I'm just I'm going to try to pull it
where that one was now. Was it on third

872
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:20,800
or fourth?
Um, I'm pulling it. I'm trying to pull

873
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:25,280
it up. It's
>> You can pull it up.

874
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:30,000
» That one is Third and Luton,
I [clears throat] think.

875
01:15:28,480 --> 01:15:36,320
» Is that where you would you know, have
you?

876
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:40,080
» So, Third and Luton. Yeah.
>> Is that Is that a location where people

877
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:43,199
would stop and hang out and maybe take
pictures with the owl? And

878
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:46,159
» No, you're right. Like Fourth Street
would make more sense. It's more like

879
01:15:44,719 --> 01:15:52,400
walking. Is that what you're thinking?
Yeah,

880
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:55,360
» to be honest, I mean, she Sarah
uh Tipple, who is really the person that

881
01:15:53,920 --> 01:16:01,920
put this all forward, the director of
the B, she um she put out all the boxes

882
01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:06,800
and then had people just like in on the
B board at like say who which where they

883
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:10,320
thought they should go. But I I mean
like which ones they wanted to see

884
01:16:08,159 --> 01:16:12,800
painted, I should say. Okay. But
>> but I think she might have just assigned

885
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:16,400
them.
>> You know what I mean? Like I I think

886
01:16:14,159 --> 01:16:20,880
there was some thought into where people
feel like it really would be great to

887
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:25,760
have some color and all that, but I
don't know that there was um

888
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:29,199
a real planning around it. It's a good
point.

889
01:16:26,719 --> 01:16:33,679
» Is is there still time to think about
placement of the art where it might make

890
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:37,920
most sense?
>> I'd say from the sa city staff level,

891
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:43,600
yes. You know, I think as I mentioned,
we've identified 10 boxes um that could

892
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:48,000
be eligible for this. You know, this
would be five of them. So, I think what

893
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:52,080
I would um recommend if you did want to,
you know, explore that or ask the bid to

894
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:57,199
explore that, we just come circle back
around, take a look at which boxes are

895
01:16:54,000 --> 01:17:02,000
available and um consider best fit. I do
think with a couple of these proposals,

896
01:16:59,440 --> 01:17:06,320
um, you know, the art, the content that
would be painted, some of these boxes

897
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:12,400
are square. Some of the other boxes that
weren't selected have like other, you

898
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:15,840
know, geometric shape to them. And so,
you know, like I said, I wasn't involved

899
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:20,000
in the decision-m, but when I did um,
speak with Sarah when she originally

900
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:23,199
submitted this, I know they had put some
thought into that. And so, there could

901
01:17:21,440 --> 01:17:27,520
be other factors involved that led them
to pick these boxes. So, I'd really have

902
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:30,880
to defer to them making sure that it
aligns with the program goals. But,

903
01:17:29,679 --> 01:17:34,080
» like I said, from the city's
perspective, there are other boxes that

904
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:37,679
could be considered. So,
>> well, I don't and I don't think I'm

905
01:17:35,440 --> 01:17:41,120
saying you should consider other boxes.
I was just asking of this set because

906
01:17:39,679 --> 01:17:45,520
you're ready to go and they've been
designed for these shapes.

907
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:52,239
» Does the bid maybe want to revisit
>> which art exactly goes where?

908
01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:58,719
» That would be my comment. So, and Bo,
you're a part of that, right?

909
01:17:56,480 --> 01:18:03,280
» Oh, yeah. [laughter]
>> Okay. Well, I want to be able to take an

910
01:18:00,719 --> 01:18:07,040
Instagram picture with the owl. I don't
want to get hit by a car.

911
01:18:05,199 --> 01:18:09,360
» Hold on one second.
>> Sarah, unfortunately, is on maternity

912
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:13,679
leave,
>> right?

913
01:18:10,239 --> 01:18:17,679
» So, um, but
>> where?

914
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:21,199
» Yeah. And I can I mean, I I don't know
how

915
01:18:18,480 --> 01:18:22,800
» Oh, that is more walkable. Yeah.
>> Yeah.

916
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:26,239
» I I
>> buy the Walgreens.

917
01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:29,480
» I don't like that.
>> Right there.

918
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:35,520
» Yeah. I don't know.
>> I also think I don't I don't know how

919
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:39,080
many changes can be made.
>> Go like right there.

920
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:48,400
» I um I have like a tangential thought
that isn't really sure. Um, for in the

921
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:52,000
one at uh fifth and a in front of the
mission,

922
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:56,800
» I've like thought about how it's kind of
like a blight. Yeah. You know,

923
01:18:54,159 --> 01:19:02,480
» is it possible to maybe not with this,
but just in the future maybe just paint

924
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:09,120
it the same as the mission?
>> Like just to so that it's not that stark

925
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:13,389
difference and like it's such a specific
color. It's kind of like it's here. It's

926
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:15,520
part of this. I don't know.
>> [clears throat]

927
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:19,679
» like something very simple because I
feel like if you put a mural on it that

928
01:19:17,679 --> 01:19:25,440
act I mean it's such it's just so
gorgeous to look at the mission you know

929
01:19:22,480 --> 01:19:29,199
I don't know something to like
>> and that was kind of the

930
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:34,239
» yeah that just a that that's a great
point because what we were wanting to

931
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:41,760
avoid was you know putting some artwork
on that box that would either stand out

932
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:45,440
or conflict in some visual way with the
mission especially especially with the

933
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:49,600
visual looking up the hill toward the
toward the mission.

934
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:56,320
» So, um you know, it's that's kind of why
we were wanting to be careful of getting

935
01:19:52,159 --> 01:20:01,360
their input on that part of it and also,
you know, potentially what kind of look

936
01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:04,800
and feel that they would suggest from
their point of view. Um it would

937
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:10,480
probably still be within the heart of
San Rafale theme. um but you know would

938
01:20:08,239 --> 01:20:16,480
accent appropriately the mission in
terms of you know the color and the art

939
01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:20,239
design and those kinds of things. So uh
we just wanted to be more mindful of

940
01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:24,719
that uh which is why we you know kind of
switched off of that one in particular

941
01:20:22,239 --> 01:20:28,400
for now.
>> Yeah, I would say I think you know the

942
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:32,640
city's perspective is that that is a
really um important critical view

943
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:36,800
corridor. The aesthetic look there is
important. And so I I echo what B said

944
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:40,320
that that there's probably an
opportunity for us to talk with our

945
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:43,920
public works team about making sure that
box is painted in a way that it kind of

946
01:20:41,679 --> 01:20:46,159
just blends in and disappears into the
environment. Yes.

947
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:48,719
» Doesn't disrupt from that.
>> Okay.

948
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:55,120
» Yeah. And and also just lastly, it could
it could be that that one is not chosen

949
01:20:51,280 --> 01:21:00,320
as a as a muralish art work box just
because of that. Um and maybe it is

950
01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:04,480
painted to just blend together more, you
know. So, um, that, you know, we of

951
01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:08,320
course defer to the city and to the
mission in terms of whe whether that

952
01:21:06,159 --> 01:21:13,840
would work.
>> Yeah, I think any kind of treatment that

953
01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:18,080
just like makes it less jarring would be
really nice. Like a mural I love murals,

954
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:23,440
don't get me wrong. It's just I don't
know if you wanted to fill in the other

955
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:26,159
five. Yeah. Other four boxes or what? I
don't know. I don't necessarily feel

956
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:32,719
like it has to be a mural, but I think
it would be beautiful to have it be

957
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:35,760
gentle gentle against the backdrop.
Um, but that's for another day because

958
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:40,560
we're not talking about that right now
and we've we are

959
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:43,800
» Yeah.
>> Anything else?

960
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:51,120
» Uh, I'll just chime in with a comment
and say I agree with Jennifer's a lot of

961
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:55,840
Jennifer's comments on this and I think
this is a great program.

962
01:21:53,040 --> 01:22:00,280
Um, and I'm looking forward to
eventually all of these being painted.

963
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:13,600
» Um, okay. So,
uh, we are recommending approval. Is

964
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:16,800
that Yes. No. Uh, and advancing the
proposal to city council for final

965
01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:22,000
review. [clears throat]
>> Well, just make a motion

966
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:26,639
» just Okay. So,
so just to I I would I approve the

967
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:30,320
artwork and the program, but I would
like to invite the bid to go back and

968
01:22:28,159 --> 01:22:36,800
review the locations,
>> the various artworks and and see if they

969
01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:41,199
make sense for those locations.
>> Am I [clears throat] able to do that?

970
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:44,960
» Yeah, it's at the board's discretion how
you would like to propose the advances

971
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:50,400
forward. I might just recommend like if
you have specific boxes you think should

972
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:54,480
be either flip-flopped or changed, maybe
that would be easier to just advise the

973
01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:58,320
bid on that. But um yeah, really at your
discretion and I think there's

974
01:22:56,400 --> 01:23:02,639
» always opportunity in between this
review and city council for revision,

975
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:06,159
right? I think um prior to it going to
city council if they wanted to make

976
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:10,000
changes ultimately it would be city
councils but what we would do is then

977
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:14,159
just be reflecting your comments in the
city council staff report so they were

978
01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:17,920
aware of what what you're recommending
>> so is [clears throat] that included in

979
01:23:15,679 --> 01:23:22,719
when we uh put forward the motion is
that included like does she

980
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:25,040
» I might recommend have you know just
continue if you want to have that

981
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:28,000
discussion right now just continue that
discussion if you think that you have a

982
01:23:26,639 --> 01:23:30,960
recommendation you want to make if you
want to leave it up to the bid and just

983
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:33,760
make that broad then ultim imately it's
going to be up to them to make that

984
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:39,600
determination. You know, they could
leave it as is. They could um choose to,

985
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:43,920
you know, flip-flop two boxes or shuffle
things around, but unless you give some

986
01:23:42,159 --> 01:23:46,800
kind of a specific direction that you'd
really advise them on, I think it might

987
01:23:45,440 --> 01:23:50,480
be difficult for them to make that call
to get a call.

988
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:54,159
» Okay. Well, so I mean just just a couple
comments right now, unless I'm you're

989
01:23:52,639 --> 01:23:57,920
saying right now is the time instead of
following up separately. Um I would I

990
01:23:56,320 --> 01:24:01,760
would put the owl boxes in a different
location. Maybe number two, which is

991
01:24:00,239 --> 01:24:06,800
right on Fourth Street in a pretty
highly trafficked area where we want to

992
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:12,080
draw people to businesses. There's the
Fox and Kit coffee shop. I forget what

993
01:24:08,719 --> 01:24:16,800
else is there, but um then you've got
the the third and Luton's location is

994
01:24:14,159 --> 01:24:22,400
really everybody. That's a very busy
street. There will be a lot of people

995
01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:27,600
walking to Ritter House along that road,
I think, with the new location. Um, but

996
01:24:25,040 --> 01:24:33,520
otherwise people don't really walk along
Third Street, Third and Lutens. It's

997
01:24:30,639 --> 01:24:40,800
it's it's a it's a traffic. It's an
artery. So, I would consider that for

998
01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:44,719
whatever you might swap that with.
Um,

999
01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:48,480
and then I just think the branding
opportunity, which I've already

1000
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:55,080
mentioned, would be worth um,
considering how to how to implement the

1001
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:55,080
brand of the Sanfal Arts.

1002
01:24:55,360 --> 01:25:04,480
» Can I ask then if do you think that any
of these designs would lend themselves

1003
01:25:01,199 --> 01:25:08,480
better to maybe the the vehicle traffic
visibility as opposed to the the

1004
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:11,679
pedestrian walking? Well, I mean,
honestly, that's probably why they chose

1005
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:17,199
the owl there because it's so graphic.
>> Most readable when you're driving by.

1006
01:25:14,639 --> 01:25:22,080
» The Dia de los Muertos like that is
highly graphic

1007
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:26,000
» and really because of all the, you know,
the contrast. It's like really easy to

1008
01:25:24,719 --> 01:25:29,520
see idea.
>> Where where's that one?

1009
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:33,199
» Up by the mission.
>> No, they they changed that.

1010
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:39,360
» Yeah, that's the fourth and Luton, I
think. There you go. That's easy to swap

1011
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:39,360
then. One for the other.

1012
01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:45,679
Yeah, and that actually does make a lot
of sense given the, you know, kind of

1013
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:50,639
entry point to Sanfell that that artery
is.

1014
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:53,440
» And then location five, Heatherton,
is that at [clears throat] the transit

1015
01:25:51,679 --> 01:25:57,960
center?
>> Because that could be a good one, too.

1016
01:25:54,560 --> 01:25:57,960
» And that's the hummingbird.

1017
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:12,000
Um,
and then the Mount Tam one is up by

1018
01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:15,639
Kane's Tire
and the West End.

1019
01:26:16,159 --> 01:26:23,600
» Literally closer to Mount Tam. Yeah,
>> you can probably see Mount Tam still

1020
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:29,000
until the building is built. How is it
going to relate to the building that's

1021
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:29,000
going to get torn down? And

1022
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:34,480
» I I just want to say I don't know that
it's our

1023
01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:38,400
job to like completely redesign it, but
if like we want to swap out a couple

1024
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:43,120
that feels good. I just I also want to
honor that like you know this was

1025
01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:47,280
Sarah's proposal and she put it together
in a certain way.

1026
01:26:46,159 --> 01:26:51,040
» Right.
>> Okay. So I definitely think I I hear you

1027
01:26:49,679 --> 01:26:57,120
what you're saying and especially with
regard to I mean she literally Sarah

1028
01:26:54,080 --> 01:27:01,199
brought this person this owl person to
the table and said like these are things

1029
01:26:59,199 --> 01:27:08,159
people come to see and your point is
very well made that like coming to that

1030
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:11,520
corner is not ideal for a multitude of
reasons. [laughter]

1031
01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:15,520
» Um
>> so I wonder

1032
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:20,480
where do you think is the best spot for
it then?

1033
01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:26,920
I think that number two location for the
owls,

1034
01:27:22,159 --> 01:27:26,920
but I encourage anyone else to chime in

1035
01:27:27,440 --> 01:27:33,920
because it's really in the business
corridor and it's it could be a draw to

1036
01:27:32,639 --> 01:27:37,199
some of the businesses.
>> Sorry, which one's

1037
01:27:34,719 --> 01:27:42,480
» that or?
>> Sorry, the number two location is my

1038
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:46,480
um
>> Fourth and Sea Street, I believe.

1039
01:27:44,239 --> 01:27:50,400
» Yeah, thanks Craig. That's near.
>> No, sorry. I meant which which uh mural

1040
01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:55,440
is is set for there.
>> She's uh it's the really the cool one

1041
01:27:52,480 --> 01:27:57,280
with the the anatomical hearts.
>> Surreal.

1042
01:27:56,239 --> 01:28:03,120
» I like that.
>> I would like

1043
01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:06,719
um
Well, where on Fourth and Luton is it?

1044
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:10,800
Which side is it on? Because there's
just a newly completed mural right

1045
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:15,920
across the street from Fraam on the
Encore building.

1046
01:28:12,719 --> 01:28:21,679
» It's very bright.
I'm gonna share on Google Maps. I had

1047
01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:23,040
just pulled up um for reference.
>> So, I wouldn't want something to get

1048
01:28:22,719 --> 01:28:25,920
lost,
>> right?

1049
01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:31,920
» It's not it's not exactly on the corner
of fourth and C.

1050
01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:38,400
» Um so, this is this is Luton's Yeah.
>> Here.

1051
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:45,520
And this is looking down Fourth Street.
>> Where's the box? So, the box I'm gonna

1052
01:28:41,440 --> 01:28:49,360
go up is really more on Luton's.
>> Oh, it's up by the record store.

1053
01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:52,159
» Is that where we are?
>> Yes. Okay.

1054
01:28:50,320 --> 01:28:56,239
» Well, that's where Bose's offices. What
does Bo want to look at every day?

1055
01:28:54,400 --> 01:29:03,440
» Yeah, exactly. That's I mean, it's right
in front of like the Mason building um

1056
01:29:00,480 --> 01:29:10,400
» or the free whatever the you know. Uh
yeah, it's right across from our office.

1057
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:15,520
And you know it it is um obviously a
little tucked away there um just having

1058
01:29:13,600 --> 01:29:19,199
our office there it's not
>> you know people do

1059
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:24,639
» go on there but usually it's it's not
that's not one of the main drag

1060
01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:29,120
» most visual ones for what it's worth.
>> Where's the one on Sea Street then? I

1061
01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:33,760
couldn't tell from that photo. So,
>> I would even put the owls there over the

1062
01:29:31,280 --> 01:29:37,280
location right now just because that is
kind of a fun treasure hunt kind of

1063
01:29:35,679 --> 01:29:40,880
place if you think about connecting
public art. You've got the big mural

1064
01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:44,800
that just went in and then you got the
owl and then that could lead you to

1065
01:29:42,480 --> 01:29:49,280
something else.
>> Um, that is Sarah's goal. She wants to

1066
01:29:47,679 --> 01:29:52,880
have like a little
>> connectedness. Yeah.

1067
01:29:50,719 --> 01:29:55,280
» Yeah. That's I think that's smart. What
are they called? Public art utility

1068
01:29:54,320 --> 01:30:00,159
book.
>> I think that's super smart. come back to

1069
01:29:57,679 --> 01:30:05,239
this is the third Newton's which we were
discussing more the traffic corridor

1070
01:30:05,679 --> 01:30:14,560
» yeah that's that's obviously right a
much that for that one is going to be

1071
01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:20,880
more for people driving by not walking
um being able to see it at you know

1072
01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:26,239
higher speeds and on the way through
into Santafelt

1073
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:33,520
» I mean or the or the Mount Tam one
there. Everyone's going to see that one.

1074
01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:35,440
The most people will see that box.
Either the

1075
01:30:34,159 --> 01:30:45,239
» Yeah, that'll
>> the the the skull or the Mount Tam maybe

1076
01:30:39,199 --> 01:30:45,239
feels more bold and graphic.

1077
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:49,600
» Was there a different intersection that
you wanted?

1078
01:30:47,920 --> 01:30:55,600
» Yeah, it was the I was curious where you
were talking about on Fourth and C.

1079
01:30:53,600 --> 01:31:00,920
I couldn't tell what building that was.
which is weird cuz I walk down the

1080
01:30:57,440 --> 01:31:00,920
street every day.

1081
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:17,280
» Intersection of fourth and C.
>> And there are no boxes

1082
01:31:14,960 --> 01:31:23,320
» and
try and re see where this one is.

1083
01:31:19,199 --> 01:31:23,320
» I think it might be up the hill.

1084
01:31:27,440 --> 01:31:33,520
It's right here.
Ah,

1085
01:31:31,040 --> 01:31:40,080
» so it's more on Sea Street
>> just up the hill from

1086
01:31:36,320 --> 01:31:44,480
» And on that block is Fox and Kit and
some other things.

1087
01:31:41,440 --> 01:31:49,280
» Yeah, if you go just up store Fox and
Kit, the parking garage soon to be the

1088
01:31:46,400 --> 01:31:52,280
12th Women's Sports Bar.
>> Yes.

1089
01:31:56,320 --> 01:32:00,880
Okay.
>> Yeah. So, so again, that one, you know,

1090
01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:06,120
is is not going to get quite the high
traffic that the uh the other one is.

1091
01:32:11,600 --> 01:32:19,159
» But I think it's a draw. I I just I just
think you Yeah. And I'm repeating

1092
01:32:16,159 --> 01:32:19,159
myself.

1093
01:32:22,320 --> 01:32:30,159
Yeah. Um I mean I think to the earlier
point I think it is worth considering

1094
01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:34,960
you know swapping based on those
suggestions. I think that changing any

1095
01:32:32,159 --> 01:32:41,040
of the artwork at this point is would
send things you know to a a new a re

1096
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:46,159
revisited level. But um
yeah, I think is if there's an

1097
01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:56,880
opportunity, I guess, to to re reassign
those before the August board meeting um

1098
01:32:53,040 --> 01:33:01,199
to be able to approve it. Um but in
terms of the process, unless we're

1099
01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:07,440
actually doing that tonight right now,
um there could be I don't know, is there

1100
01:33:02,719 --> 01:33:12,239
an opportunity for a follow-up offline?
Yeah, I think there is. It's really at,

1101
01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:17,040
you know, at the board's discretion and
Bo, I think at your discretion if you

1102
01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:20,880
feel like you'd like to make any changes
um uh before you bring it to city

1103
01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:25,360
council. So, you could definitely just
continue the conversation offline after

1104
01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:30,480
the fact to try to refine that. Um but
the the key thing from our perspective

1105
01:33:27,600 --> 01:33:34,480
as city staff is going to be u making
sure we understand which specific

1106
01:33:32,480 --> 01:33:39,840
utility boxes are being proposed and
what the final proposed artwork will be.

1107
01:33:37,120 --> 01:33:44,000
I think the the specific configuration
of those and flip-flopping them really

1108
01:33:41,679 --> 01:33:47,360
isn't going to impact our staff level
recommendation that the project move

1109
01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:50,840
forward at this point.
>> Yeah. Perfect.

1110
01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:57,704
» Yeah. It's actually kind of a fun game.
>> [laughter]

1111
01:33:57,760 --> 01:34:06,159
» Uh so can I make a motion to approve?
Okay, great. Uh I would recommend

1112
01:34:03,600 --> 01:34:10,480
approval. Can I would like to request a
motion and a second uh for approval in

1113
01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:15,840
advancement of this proposal to city
council for final review. Can I get a

1114
01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:20,639
motion and a second?
>> One motion.

1115
01:34:17,440 --> 01:34:26,159
» A second. Great.
Uh

1116
01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:32,480
did you get that, Becky? Yes, I did. Um,
acting chair merit.

1117
01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:35,440
» Oh. Um, yay. [laughter]
>> Members,

1118
01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:37,679
» yes.
>> Member Skinner,

1119
01:34:36,880 --> 01:34:40,239
» yes.
>> And member Schoffler,

1120
01:34:39,199 --> 01:34:45,840
» yes.
>> Motion approved. Thank you.

1121
01:34:43,600 --> 01:34:51,280
» Thank you guys. And um just in that
followup um please uh provide any

1122
01:34:48,960 --> 01:34:58,000
thoughts, suggestions
uh reasoning or you know whatever uh

1123
01:34:55,600 --> 01:35:03,040
those ideas are because I think that
there was some good ideas there and and

1124
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:07,600
makes a lot of sense to maximize both
the visual uh look and feel of them but

1125
01:35:05,199 --> 01:35:13,280
also there is that unique opportunity
here to have like you know these uh

1126
01:35:10,960 --> 01:35:17,199
these communities of of social media
communities for artists that have, you

1127
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:22,639
know, people who have followings and
people who will show up for different

1128
01:35:19,120 --> 01:35:28,560
art installations, both um both murals,
boxes, and u you know, the other kind of

1129
01:35:25,760 --> 01:35:32,000
arts that we've been proposing. So, um
if you could send those to me, um that

1130
01:35:30,560 --> 01:35:36,760
would be really helpful.
>> Um okay. And and appreciate it.

1131
01:35:37,440 --> 01:35:45,000
» We'll do. Thank you, Bo.
>> Thank you, guys. Thanks.

1132
01:35:46,480 --> 01:35:54,719
» Uh, next agenda item is uh, appointing a
vice chair for the remainder of 2026

1133
01:35:52,639 --> 01:35:59,440
calendar year,
>> which will not be for that many meetings

1134
01:35:57,440 --> 01:36:03,199
really. It would likely be for one more
meeting, the October meeting. You know,

1135
01:36:00,960 --> 01:36:08,560
I just as a reminder, this was um a
decision that um was part of the January

1136
01:36:07,199 --> 01:36:11,280
agenda, but it was delayed because I
think there were only three members

1137
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:14,800
here. And so the members over here said,
"Hey, let's just wait." We had, you

1138
01:36:13,120 --> 01:36:19,760
know, canceled the April meeting because
there was, um, no action to be taken.

1139
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:22,560
And so here we are. And so, um, I, you
know, I think we did consider whether

1140
01:36:21,199 --> 01:36:25,760
this should just be like a year
appointment, but we'd like to stay on

1141
01:36:23,920 --> 01:36:30,159
the same schedule. And so we would
expect that in October, we're going to

1142
01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:34,960
bring another agenda item to select the
chair and the vice chair for 2027. And

1143
01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:39,920
so what I would say is it's probably a
low stakes assignment for one meeting.

1144
01:36:37,440 --> 01:36:44,960
Um but you know as we saw you know with
with um chair Jiao out tonight we do

1145
01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:48,400
need someone that can step in and assume
those duties as so happy to share any

1146
01:36:47,199 --> 01:36:54,280
more information about what that role
entails. Um but I turn over to the board

1147
01:36:50,719 --> 01:36:54,280
to make that decision.

1148
01:36:54,960 --> 01:37:00,159
» Well I think that you did a wonderful
job tonight.

1149
01:36:59,360 --> 01:37:05,040
» Thank you.
>> I don't know how does it work with me

1150
01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:10,239
coming off of chair. Um I think at this
point um trying to refresh my memory. So

1151
01:37:07,520 --> 01:37:13,040
you were chair last year. Yes. Right.
Yeah.

1152
01:37:10,880 --> 01:37:17,520
» And who was vice chair last year? I
think it was it was

1153
01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:22,159
vice chair.
>> Um you have also I believe served as

1154
01:37:19,840 --> 01:37:27,320
chair and then I was vice chair
>> and you were vice chair previously. So

1155
01:37:31,280 --> 01:37:37,280
» well I think for the one remaining
meeting I would just suggest we stick

1156
01:37:36,080 --> 01:37:40,480
with someone who already knows the
process.

1157
01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:43,520
» I think what Craig is trying to say is
usually somebody who's been vice chair

1158
01:37:42,239 --> 01:37:46,080
then becomes chair. Like if you're
interested in being chair

1159
01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:49,760
» I think it's it's really at the
discretion of the board for this

1160
01:37:47,440 --> 01:37:54,000
appointment. I think it would not and
this decision wouldn't impact next year

1161
01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:58,320
either. I think that anyone could serve
in any of those roles next year.

1162
01:37:55,840 --> 01:38:02,800
Typically we roll whoever the vice chair
is would then typically become the

1163
01:38:00,719 --> 01:38:07,600
chair, but since this is really such a
short um appointment, I think that could

1164
01:38:05,520 --> 01:38:10,880
be open for discussion for the board.
But uh I think keeping that in mind, you

1165
01:38:09,679 --> 01:38:14,960
know, I think the natural progression
would be someone does serve as vice

1166
01:38:12,320 --> 01:38:19,119
chair rolls into the chair position next
year. So

1167
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:24,239
» yeah, so whoever's interested. I mean,
I'm h I'm happy to do it for a meeting,

1168
01:38:21,280 --> 01:38:29,520
you know. It's no skin off my back, but
Emil, if anyone is like dying to have

1169
01:38:26,159 --> 01:38:34,773
that on their um professional website,
you let me know. I don't it it's

1170
01:38:32,753 --> 01:38:34,773
[laughter]

1171
01:38:37,840 --> 01:38:42,960
» I would say if someone wants to be chair
next time that hasn't been chair that

1172
01:38:41,679 --> 01:38:45,840
they should probably take it.
>> Yeah.

1173
01:38:45,198 --> 01:38:50,080
[clears throat]
or or put their ring hat in the ring if

1174
01:38:48,320 --> 01:38:53,199
you will.
>> Either

1175
01:38:50,639 --> 01:38:59,000
» or anyone anyone on the board can
appoint anyone and throw a name out

1176
01:38:55,119 --> 01:38:59,000
there if they so choose.

1177
01:39:01,360 --> 01:39:07,840
I mean, I do
feel like you've been around a very long

1178
01:39:06,480 --> 01:39:12,880
time,
>> but I also know that you I don't know,

1179
01:39:10,320 --> 01:39:19,760
sometimes you aren't always available,
but none of us are to be honest. So,

1180
01:39:17,040 --> 01:39:23,840
» um I I mean, I'll do it if I if you're
not interested. Yeah, but I'm not.

1181
01:39:22,480 --> 01:39:29,199
» I don't think I'm interested in this
year. Yeah. I think I I've only been to

1182
01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:35,440
I haven't been to as many meetings as
the rest of you. So, I think I want to

1183
01:39:32,639 --> 01:39:40,320
» So, maybe be a vice chair next year.
>> Well, I I I would offer my services to

1184
01:39:38,639 --> 01:39:43,493
take a turn because you all have had
you've already done that. I'm not trying

1185
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:47,520
to duck out of responsibility.
[laughter]

1186
01:39:45,040 --> 01:39:50,719
I just feel there's experience levels
that exist.

1187
01:39:50,000 --> 01:39:55,360
So,
>> uh I'm happy to do it and then you can

1188
01:39:52,480 --> 01:39:58,559
do it next year. The real the real year
>> be continue

1189
01:39:56,159 --> 01:40:01,040
» the real year.
[laughter]

1190
01:39:59,199 --> 01:40:07,360
» This is why it's kind of a fake year.
>> Yeah.

1191
01:40:02,320 --> 01:40:12,239
» Uh so can I request a motion to um what
am I doing? Appointing Sandival as vice

1192
01:40:09,600 --> 01:40:15,600
chair for the remainder of the 2026.
Where are you? Are you laughing because

1193
01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:20,884
I'm saying your name wrong or
ridiculous? Appointing Sandival like

1194
01:40:18,864 --> 01:40:20,884
[laughter]

1195
01:40:21,199 --> 01:40:31,600
» for the remainder of the 2026 calendar
year. Can I get a uh a what am I saying?

1196
01:40:28,400 --> 01:40:35,920
Sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm really tired.
Really tired.

1197
01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:38,719
» Um can Yes. Motion.
>> So moved.

1198
01:40:37,520 --> 01:40:43,360
» Second.
>> Second.

1199
01:40:40,320 --> 01:40:48,880
» All right. Congratulations.
>> Congratulate the vice.

1200
01:40:46,960 --> 01:40:51,679
» Let me let me take a quick roll call.
Acting chair Merritt.

1201
01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:56,400
» Yes.
>> Member Sandival.

1202
01:40:54,080 --> 01:40:58,239
» Yes. [laughter]
>> Member Skinner.

1203
01:40:57,679 --> 01:41:00,400
» Yes.
>> And member Schoffler.

1204
01:40:59,760 --> 01:41:04,159
» Yes.
>> All right. Motion approved. Thanks you

1205
01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:08,239
guys.
>> Can you vote for yourself?

1206
01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:13,040
» Clearly, we know a lot, Jennifer. We're
doing really well. [laughter]

1207
01:41:11,040 --> 01:41:16,080
But yes, by the way, you did a really
good job interrupting,

1208
01:41:14,800 --> 01:41:19,679
» you know, like having to stop people.
That's hard.

1209
01:41:18,639 --> 01:41:21,119
» Who me?
>> Yes. I

1210
01:41:20,480 --> 01:41:26,080
» Yeah, that is
>> I did not feel like I was doing I I was

1211
01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:31,280
just waiting for any break or like any
breath, you know, so hard.

1212
01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:35,280
» Anyway, okay. Um at this time, I would
like to invite Craig Ver, assistant

1213
01:41:33,520 --> 01:41:39,360
library and recreation director to share
their stuff as report. Well, I'm going

1214
01:41:37,600 --> 01:41:42,000
to keep it very short because I know it
has been a long meeting and just say

1215
01:41:40,639 --> 01:41:46,480
again, thank you all for being here.
Really appreciate it. I know that was an

1216
01:41:43,520 --> 01:41:50,480
unexpected amount of public comment for
that topic, but just want to reaffirm

1217
01:41:48,159 --> 01:41:55,040
like I I'll try to keep you all in the
loop on when we receive more information

1218
01:41:52,960 --> 01:41:59,040
about that project. Um, and I think it's
really so cool to see the power of

1219
01:41:57,119 --> 01:42:04,080
public art, right? even though there's
some strong opinions, I think that's

1220
01:42:01,119 --> 01:42:08,239
really um speaking to the importance of
the work that you're all doing in the

1221
01:42:05,440 --> 01:42:13,760
community that art is intended to evoke
an emotional response and even the the

1222
01:42:11,440 --> 01:42:17,280
proposal of an art project is doing that
in our community. And I hope that this

1223
01:42:15,840 --> 01:42:21,199
silver lining is that that can lead to
some really cool conversation and

1224
01:42:18,880 --> 01:42:24,400
dialogue and hopefully a good outcome
for our community just like we've seen

1225
01:42:22,880 --> 01:42:28,000
with some of the other public art that's
gone in.

1226
01:42:25,440 --> 01:42:32,239
kind of use as a segue. I know on Friday
there was a celebration at the Rafale

1227
01:42:29,920 --> 01:42:36,960
Theater. I know Morgan, you were there,
had an opportunity to speak and I just

1228
01:42:34,400 --> 01:42:42,159
wanted to say kudos to all of you and
your role in helping to um review the

1229
01:42:39,840 --> 01:42:46,400
the downtown public art installation
that went in recently. If you haven't

1230
01:42:44,080 --> 01:42:50,560
had a chance to see um you know the
statue that's out front, the mural on

1231
01:42:48,480 --> 01:42:56,800
the sea street garage, the mural at the
civic um the courtyard plaza has gone

1232
01:42:54,239 --> 01:43:02,000
up. Um another statue will be going in
front of city hall very soon. There's

1233
01:42:59,600 --> 01:43:05,280
Wyatt Hersy's mural on second street
which is all this artwork I think

1234
01:43:03,760 --> 01:43:09,600
personally is just it's so beautiful and
it's so cool to see that project come to

1235
01:43:07,119 --> 01:43:15,061
fruition. But I don't know if you had um
a door count at the event or how many

1236
01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:19,600
people attended. Well, we had um we had
[clears throat] 128 RSVPs. We think we

1237
01:43:17,440 --> 01:43:22,960
had about 86 people there.
>> That's great. Yeah. Really well

1238
01:43:21,440 --> 01:43:26,800
attended. I think a good opportunity to
celebrate the artist for the artist talk

1239
01:43:24,480 --> 01:43:30,159
as well as the walking tour downtown.
>> Um [clears throat] and so, uh just kudos

1240
01:43:28,560 --> 01:43:33,199
to everyone that was involved in that,
particularly from the city team. I just

1241
01:43:31,600 --> 01:43:38,080
want to give a shout out to Stacy Lawman
and economic development for her

1242
01:43:34,480 --> 01:43:41,119
leadership in that from our side. So, um
and you know, that was kind of the key

1243
01:43:39,600 --> 01:43:43,679
thing I just wanted to mention this
evening. Like I mentioned, it was a long

1244
01:43:42,480 --> 01:43:48,639
meeting, so I'm going to keep it short
of my end, but if there's any questions

1245
01:43:45,679 --> 01:43:53,679
we can do to help support, feel free to
let me know.

1246
01:43:51,600 --> 01:43:58,880
» Thank you.
>> Any questions from the board, for staff?

1247
01:43:57,280 --> 01:44:04,320
» No, I would just echo Craig's comments.
I was there Friday night and Morgan and

1248
01:44:00,719 --> 01:44:08,639
Stacy did an amazing job. It was such a
celebratory night. So well attended,

1249
01:44:06,320 --> 01:44:13,679
really great energy, a wonderful roster
of speakers.

1250
01:44:10,560 --> 01:44:16,880
Damon Connelly was there. Um, it felt
very important and it was beautiful

1251
01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:20,320
weather.
>> Awesome.

1252
01:44:17,360 --> 01:44:24,800
» And the band was really great. Um, kind
of a Santana style music. I It was just

1253
01:44:23,040 --> 01:44:27,840
super festive. It was a really, really
fun night downtown.

1254
01:44:26,320 --> 01:44:32,080
» Thank you for coming.
>> And thank you for coming.

1255
01:44:29,679 --> 01:44:34,480
» I'm really sorry I was one of your RSVPs
that didn't come.

1256
01:44:33,440 --> 01:44:37,280
» Me, too. It's all right.
>> It's okay. It's all right. I'm just

1257
01:44:36,080 --> 01:44:39,920
kidding. [laughter] I actually didn't
see it.

1258
01:44:37,520 --> 01:44:42,000
» The kids demanded a last minute trip to
Russian murder.

1259
01:44:40,800 --> 01:44:45,119
» Oh, I'm sorry.
>> No, it was great. It was really nice to

1260
01:44:43,520 --> 01:44:50,880
have everybody there. It did feel very
celebratory. It's It's been a long

1261
01:44:48,800 --> 01:44:54,639
journey, the [clears throat] San Rafale
arts. And so, I think to have something

1262
01:44:52,719 --> 01:44:58,400
to point at like that, something really
tangible for people to absorb and

1263
01:44:56,239 --> 01:45:01,119
appreciate um always feels really good
because there's a lot of work that

1264
01:44:59,360 --> 01:45:04,560
happens that's behind the scenes or like
smaller program work that I don't think

1265
01:45:02,880 --> 01:45:12,159
is as visible. So, that was really
exciting. Um, and I have some goodies

1266
01:45:07,119 --> 01:45:16,639
for you. And that's it.
>> Um,

1267
01:45:13,840 --> 01:45:22,320
I don't have anyone else. Nope. Okay.
So, opening public comment and closing

1268
01:45:20,159 --> 01:45:30,239
public comment because nobody is here at
the moment. Um, any other uh reports,

1269
01:45:27,440 --> 01:45:34,400
meetings, conferences, seminars,
anything exciting happening?

1270
01:45:32,320 --> 01:45:41,199
Maybe one kind of a tangentially related
plug, but um the library community

1271
01:45:37,600 --> 01:45:46,880
center project here at Elbert Park. Uh
we is the measure P project. Um we did

1272
01:45:44,400 --> 01:45:50,960
release a survey that the city has out.
It's published. It's on their website.

1273
01:45:48,800 --> 01:45:54,400
Um we put out our summer recreation
brochure mailer. There's a QR code on

1274
01:45:52,639 --> 01:45:58,480
the back of that. It it should have hit
all Sanderfell mailboxes. But I just

1275
01:45:56,639 --> 01:46:02,960
encourage you to spread the word about
the opportunity to share feedback. Um,

1276
01:46:00,960 --> 01:46:05,760
even though that is this is a capital
project and it's focused on the library

1277
01:46:04,480 --> 01:46:08,880
and the community center, there's a
public art element to that. I think that

1278
01:46:07,679 --> 01:46:13,440
we're really interested in the
community's feedback on the, you know,

1279
01:46:10,960 --> 01:46:18,320
the architectural design. How does this
building fit in with the downtown and

1280
01:46:16,000 --> 01:46:23,920
really speak to the built environment
here and what kind of programs um, does

1281
01:46:21,600 --> 01:46:28,480
the community want to see and do we need
to plan for? And so, just encourage you

1282
01:46:26,080 --> 01:46:31,440
to check that out. I I have copies I can
share with you of that flyer if you want

1283
01:46:30,320 --> 01:46:33,840
to spread them around.
>> Is it on the door here?

1284
01:46:32,560 --> 01:46:35,600
» It's on the door in all of our
facilities.

1285
01:46:34,719 --> 01:46:37,280
» It's been out for a while.
>> It's been out.

1286
01:46:36,239 --> 01:46:42,080
» I was like I feel like I took it
>> a couple of months. We're going to have

1287
01:46:38,639 --> 01:46:45,760
that up through I believe midocctober.
So there's still plenty of time. I think

1288
01:46:43,520 --> 01:46:49,360
we've received more than 700 responses
so far, but we really want to make sure

1289
01:46:47,600 --> 01:46:51,600
that the the word has been spread that
this opportunity.

1290
01:46:50,080 --> 01:46:55,199
» You're publicizing it more. Is that
going to go on social media?

1291
01:46:53,040 --> 01:46:58,400
» Yep. It's been up on our city snapshot.
has been up on our social media. We'll

1292
01:46:57,119 --> 01:47:02,320
continue to push it out. It's going to
be included in our um fall winter

1293
01:47:00,080 --> 01:47:07,520
activity guide as well, which will get
published in uh early August here. So,

1294
01:47:04,960 --> 01:47:13,920
» when does it start?
>> Uh that project will we're going to be

1295
01:47:10,960 --> 01:47:19,520
um so we have a a request for proposals
for design firms out right now that

1296
01:47:16,400 --> 01:47:25,119
closes on June 29th. Um we're hoping to
get um into an agreement with a design

1297
01:47:22,400 --> 01:47:29,840
firm this fall and that's uh right now
we're we're doing conceptual design. Um

1298
01:47:27,600 --> 01:47:35,920
so we'll enter more of the you know the
details design construction documents uh

1299
01:47:32,800 --> 01:47:40,719
and then hopefully um be getting into
construction likely sometime in 2028 I

1300
01:47:39,119 --> 01:47:45,040
think is what we're thinking right now.
So that's going to come faster than we

1301
01:47:43,440 --> 01:47:49,040
know.
U separately on the note of social media

1302
01:47:47,679 --> 01:47:55,440
I don't know if any of you spend much
time on ne Yeah

1303
01:47:51,440 --> 01:47:59,600
» there I well yeah uh there has been a
massive and positive response to the

1304
01:47:58,960 --> 01:48:03,040
mural.
>> Yeah

1305
01:48:00,080 --> 01:48:08,400
» I mean it was like more comments. It was
like it was like kids on ebikes level

1306
01:48:05,600 --> 01:48:11,360
commenting on
there. Yeah.

1307
01:48:09,119 --> 01:48:13,520
» Yeah. Uh you saw me like responding to
people

1308
01:48:12,080 --> 01:48:19,440
» and I was like I'm gonna because some
people I I try to bow out of those

1309
01:48:15,920 --> 01:48:20,719
conversations. Um the one uh what's the
location?

1310
01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:22,960
» The hand.
>> Yes.

1311
01:48:21,280 --> 01:48:27,600
» Street. Okay.
>> Yeah. But it was all I mean

1312
01:48:24,800 --> 01:48:32,800
overwhelmingly it was positive. It was
you know a couple people like a waste of

1313
01:48:30,560 --> 01:48:36,239
our tax dollars. Like not your tax
dollars. I didn't want to I didn't want

1314
01:48:35,520 --> 01:48:40,320
to
>> I didn't

1315
01:48:38,480 --> 01:48:44,400
» I did I did respond to people that were
like this is just going to get graffiti

1316
01:48:42,239 --> 01:48:48,960
and I was like listen we've got some
anti-graffiti coding on there and if you

1317
01:48:46,880 --> 01:48:52,960
see graffiti you alert public work
cameras take care of it

1318
01:48:50,960 --> 01:48:57,679
» anyway um but no it it was actually very
heartwarming um because it was organic

1319
01:48:55,440 --> 01:49:01,520
and like I jumped in after like 50
comments like it was already a very

1320
01:48:59,199 --> 01:49:06,080
positive conversation it was really nice
>> on that note that the two other garages

1321
01:49:04,000 --> 01:49:12,320
that precede that one.
>> Um, I assume there's been a conversation

1322
01:49:08,719 --> 01:49:17,760
about embellishment of those or paint or
I who pays for that and how does that

1323
01:49:16,239 --> 01:49:20,880
» the city?
>> Okay.

1324
01:49:18,320 --> 01:49:24,960
» Um, that actually interestingly the
garage on the one that's like one block

1325
01:49:23,280 --> 01:49:28,480
earlier. What is that? The really that
has like a B on it. Yeah.

1326
01:49:26,480 --> 01:49:33,440
» That was identified originally as being
a location for that bigger mural. And I

1327
01:49:31,520 --> 01:49:36,000
think the feeling was it needed a lot of
work before it would even be mural

1328
01:49:35,280 --> 01:49:38,639
ready.
>> Whereas the other one was in good enough

1329
01:49:37,600 --> 01:49:42,080
shape that it was
>> Yeah.

1330
01:49:39,600 --> 01:49:45,840
» Even if there wasn't a mural on that
that's just cinder block type right now.

1331
01:49:44,000 --> 01:49:48,080
It looks just old and uninvited.
>> Just needs to be painted.

1332
01:49:46,560 --> 01:49:52,159
» It just needs to be painted. Is that a
conversation?

1333
01:49:49,840 --> 01:49:54,080
» Yeah. I I think that
>> somewhere

1334
01:49:52,560 --> 01:49:57,600
» there's quite a few things that would go
into the conversation, but you know,

1335
01:49:55,920 --> 01:50:01,760
like like you mentioned, Morgan, I know
that we evaluated quite a few different

1336
01:50:00,080 --> 01:50:04,800
potential properties that could be part
of the program. Now, when it comes to

1337
01:50:03,360 --> 01:50:09,760
more the routine, you know, the
painting, the maintenance, um, I'm not

1338
01:50:07,119 --> 01:50:15,600
directly involved in like our parking
services operational budget or the DPW,

1339
01:50:13,520 --> 01:50:19,679
the budget that would be required for
that and how that type of project would

1340
01:50:17,600 --> 01:50:21,520
be ranked in our priority list of, you
know, use of city funds.

1341
01:50:21,040 --> 01:50:25,600
» Okay.
>> Um, I think, yeah, I agree. It's

1342
01:50:23,760 --> 01:50:29,440
probably not the prettiest building and
I think we've all probably agreed to

1343
01:50:27,119 --> 01:50:32,000
that. But at this point, it just may not
fall on as like a high priority for the

1344
01:50:31,679 --> 01:50:35,199
city.
>> That's more city council level.

1345
01:50:33,520 --> 01:50:38,320
» That would be a city direction.
>> Yeah. Gotcha.

1346
01:50:36,000 --> 01:50:42,000
» Now, if outside funding came in to
support efforts like that, I think we

1347
01:50:40,480 --> 01:50:46,639
would always be taking a look at how
that aligns with our staff capacity and

1348
01:50:44,800 --> 01:50:50,080
how we want to, you know, kind of manage
that kind of work. If it's art related,

1349
01:50:48,320 --> 01:50:53,360
I think it would ultimately be coming to
this board.

1350
01:50:51,199 --> 01:50:57,280
We do not right now as a city, we do not
have a public art budget. I think that's

1351
01:50:55,920 --> 01:51:01,040
something we've kind of shared at this
point. We really don't have any funds

1352
01:50:58,800 --> 01:51:05,280
available for those types of, you know,
beautifification projects. They're

1353
01:51:02,560 --> 01:51:09,679
really art based, but I think we're all
interested in ways we can beautify the

1354
01:51:07,760 --> 01:51:14,639
city and make sure that our city
facilities are clean, they're safe, and

1355
01:51:11,840 --> 01:51:17,840
that they also really look inviting. So,
>> yeah, but that'd be a long bigger

1356
01:51:16,080 --> 01:51:22,800
picture conversation about city funding.
the grant from the um California Arts

1357
01:51:20,400 --> 01:51:24,480
Commission. Was that only for this year?
I'm

1358
01:51:23,360 --> 01:51:27,440
» It's a three-year grant.
>> Oh, okay.

1359
01:51:25,280 --> 01:51:29,520
» So, it but it's ending this year.
>> Um and

1360
01:51:28,480 --> 01:51:33,360
» Oh,
>> have I been here that long? [laughter]

1361
01:51:31,920 --> 01:51:37,119
» So, a lot of projects have been done
with the money. Um the public art being

1362
01:51:35,199 --> 01:51:40,480
the largest expenditure at somewhere in
the range of $250,000

1363
01:51:39,119 --> 01:51:46,239
including like the management of the
whole thing. Um it's all public

1364
01:51:42,560 --> 01:51:51,920
knowledge. Um, but I would say it would
be we are looking forward to potentially

1365
01:51:49,199 --> 01:51:55,599
having another opportunity to apply for
additional funds for the arts district.

1366
01:51:54,000 --> 01:51:59,920
It's a California Arts Council
designated district and so that makes

1367
01:51:57,840 --> 01:52:04,159
sense. The California Arts Council's
budget was pretty heavily slashed this

1368
01:52:02,080 --> 01:52:11,440
year. They only had $24 million. They're
usually closer to 40. So, um I I'm I'm

1369
01:52:08,000 --> 01:52:15,520
I'm will openly encourage any and all to
um to participate in advocacy efforts to

1370
01:52:14,000 --> 01:52:20,719
to really try to turn that around
because that's a political matter

1371
01:52:17,760 --> 01:52:25,360
» like at the state level. Yeah, happy to.
>> Yeah, I'm actually working with on like

1372
01:52:22,320 --> 01:52:28,800
a North Bay advocacy um thing. So, yes,
happy to when that materializes a bit

1373
01:52:27,280 --> 01:52:32,560
more. [laughter]
>> But yes, we all need to just use our

1374
01:52:30,400 --> 01:52:36,679
voices and say art actually matters and
it's not just wallpaper.

1375
01:52:37,440 --> 01:52:43,119
So exciting. Let's see what else. Is
that it?

1376
01:52:40,639 --> 01:52:48,080
» Anything else?
I'll open and immediately close public

1377
01:52:45,440 --> 01:52:56,320
comment as there is no one here and no
one on line. And this meeting is

1378
01:52:53,679 --> 01:53:00,560
adjourned as of 8:00 on the dot.
>> All right.

1379
01:52:58,400 --> 01:53:03,920
» Thank you. And these are for you. You I
saw you have yours. and say,