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Welcome everyone. Today is August 18th.
This is a meeting of the city of

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Summerfell Economic Development and
Housing Subcommittee meeting. I'm

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calling the move to order. We have a
quorum. Council member Hill and myself

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here. Are any changes to the minutes?
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» Okay. Make a motion.
>> Move that we approve the minutes from

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the last meeting.
>> Okay. All in favor? I carries two zero.

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We start our meetings with open time for
public expression. This is anything that

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is not on today's agenda. Um you'll have
two minutes to share your thoughts.

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We'll take comments. I think we have to
take it in the room and online. Um so

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with that, if there's anyone who'd like
to speak on anything not on today's

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agenda?
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» Okay.
>> I'll make sure if you have cards or

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anything. Um, we have some of our
members ready to speak today and then I

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will have a public comment too. So, um,
do do we just ask them to be one by one

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or do you have like a list or
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there's are you timing Greg or do you
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» I can time. I can't multitask on that.
>> So, no. Anyone who would like to speak

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has two minutes to speak on anything not
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» Okay. So, I just gonna translate that
very quick for them. Okay. So,

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So um

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okay
speak

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and then you're welcome but not required
to say your name part of summer.

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Good morning guys.

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Well, we're here to talk about the bad
living conditions to our apartments

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» and 78 street

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» all around canal
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We want a living together
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» We want to live as someone for someone
to take us like accountability.

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We're paying too much for rent

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and they're raising the rent up every
little bit.

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And they're not

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taking all the ramp now. We're living in
78 No Street and it's going all around

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the ramp.

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So where words leaving there's we leave
we live nearby a trash can and the the

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smell is a lot and there's bugs that
everywhere

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and we have takes care of kids and the
smell is affecting everyone

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and we're almost paying 5,000 for rent
every month. Awesome.

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two minutes.
>> Two minutes. So, just for future, the

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city does provide um uh interpretive
interpretation services. So, when people

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hold in so it's a it's a little bit um
unusual. So, thank you for doing that.

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No, we appreciate it. But, so we are
just so you know, we just need to be

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notified uh 48 hours in advance so we
can have the appropriate people and

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headsets and all of that. So, I just
want to be clear, it's not it's not on

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the community. The city can provide that
service. So, um so it's two minutes and

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you were doing the interpretation. So,
if you have just a closing thought, um I

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do want to try to stay in that two-minut
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» That's it.
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» Well, thank you for doing that.
Okay. Anyone else like to Okay.

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Good morning to everyone.

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» I'm going to say please

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when you go to inspection the all the
canal.

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» Yeah. the the people from the makeup.
They gross in this tree

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to the apartment. You know, it can smell
everywhere in apartment.

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How you know we have a kids and it's bad
for the all the family to smell that

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kind of

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And and I would like to the protect the
same as no that geted in.

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uh say try to Yeah.

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And we like to get it because
[clears throat] we need to boys to

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protect like as

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we pay a lot of rent

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the when to the apartment
they don't want to hit us.

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Yeah, we like to protect and get the
same as service and everybody and

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we live in the 220 canal.

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» Thank you very much everyone.
>> Thank you. And on the agenda uh shortly

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will be the overview of the city's
housing inspection program. So we will

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talk a little bit more about that and
there'll be an opportunity to provide

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comment.
>> There anything else that's not on

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today's agenda? So outside of what's
coming up because if possible we like it

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yeah open to the agenda item.
>> Um so I just going to make my comment

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and then you can jump in on agenda.
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» Um so my name is Samaran Saan the
community organizer for Voices

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California here in M County. I'm a mom
of two. They're right here with me

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today. Um, I used to live in San Rafael.
I moved out like six, seven years ago to

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No. Um, I know the living conditions on
the permits, they're like really bad.

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I've been visiting my members in San
Rafael. I was like most like half of our

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membership that is in San Rafael and
half of our membership that is in

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Novato. All of them they have really bad
conditions. they didn't share it because

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they're afraid. Sometimes for
retellation we know like how bad it is.

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Uh sometimes the relationship ten on
landlord sometimes it is really good. We

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are not saying that there is bad
landlords but something that we are

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failing it is on like the inspection of
the buildings and the followup steps so

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we can have buildings in good shape that
they're habitable for like the families

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here in Marine. So, one of the things
that we noticed that is our families

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that are paying up to $4,800 for a
three-bedroom apartment and no living

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conditions with leaks, um, with real
problems with leaks, with carpets full

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of mold, with walls full of mold, with
holes on the wall, with problems on the

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pipes, as I've mentioned, with like
literally bad other problems with the

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garbage. And when they complain with the
landlords, it is no response. And some

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of them, they put already like claims
with the city. So, we just want to make

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sure that we can create the same
protections that we win um just a couple

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months in Nevada because we know like
the protections that they're on the

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opportunity zone, they're about to
expire on December. So, we want to make

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sure that we create protections so they
can speak up freely and we can create

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something um better in our community. Um
I know you have some topics on your

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agenda for today, but we just want to
plant the seeds so we can work together

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more often and we can create a better
space for the community to be part of

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this conversations. um we want to be
part of this conversation. So we just

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want to make sure that we connect on
like community outreach and bring the

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people to the center when we are making
this kind of decisions. I'm glad that

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you mentioned like the access to
language. I didn't see on the agenda

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that opportunity. That's why we show up
like this. But if [clears throat] I can

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get your email, we can send you an email
um in advance so we can have access to

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language. But definitely as a community
organizer my work it is to connect with

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all of you so we can work together and
we can protect our [clears throat]

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families because this is a problem also
for workforce people it is moving out

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because the same thing that they're
putting over here they can pay on like

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Vallejo and then get a better house.
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» You know
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clerk because she's the one that helps
make it happen. But that is very

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important to us is that we are able to
connect. Okay. So thank you. Thank you

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for being here. Hopefully your group can
stay as we talk about um but if not we

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understand too.
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» Um anyone else in the room like to
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» Is there anyone online? Do we do online
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» please? Great. So thank you for that.
We'll move into the agenda. The first is

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the economic development partner
updates. The small business development

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center. Maybe seven minutes. We're going
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so we all get out on time.
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be other updates at a later point, but
right now I just wanted to make sure

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everyone is aware of the the program
that we have coming up with the artist

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um business accelerator. And so I'll
pass out and please take to pass out in

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the community. The application deadline
is I'll put some this way and I'll put

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some this way. The application deadline
is um the end of this month and so

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there's a little bit more time for
people to apply. Um and I'd love for the

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city of Sanella to send out a notice
since we're partners on this. I don't

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think I've seen it yet. So I don't know
Stacy I probably have to connect with

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Stacy about that but um that would be
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» Or the city manager's office or
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don't not sure who the mechanism is for
that but that would be awesome to just

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put a note out to let people know. Um,
then we also we have a bunch of new

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workshops that are on our website. I
don't have all of the workshop flyers,

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but I have our AI workshop, so I figured
I'd put that out, too, so you guys can

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um take and just for everybody in the
room, we do a Spanish 10 session

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business training program and we're
about to graduate our our class this

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time, but we have another one starting
in October. So if you want any

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information, I'm happy to connect with
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well. Um, so that's I just pretty much
wanted to share our upcoming and let

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people know what's happening.
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» Thank you. And city manager Nasio, maybe
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snapshot. Just this one. I don't know
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» yeah, we have like a till the end of
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some more.
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» Okay. Fantastic. Thank you for that. And
that's the only update we have from a

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partner today. So, we will um
do you want me taking public comment on

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each item? The city clerk isn't here.
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it's kind of up to you, but I think we
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enough. Um
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public comments.
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and we have a lot on here. So,
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public comment on the what we just heard
around small business amazing work

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that's being done there.
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online?
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» Oh, we're not doing online. Okay.
>> Can I prompt on on especially on the AI

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enablement series? You know, I think
could you provide just 30 seconds on

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you're a small business. What are some
of the things that it can help enable

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that you might not otherwise be able to
do with without using a tool?

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» Yeah, totally. Well, so the the I just
the ones that we have this time um so we

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we've we really take feedback from
workshops very seriously and so we went

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through all of the responses over the
last two years. We actually used AI to

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do a summary for us to help us
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these were the top topics that came up
from the surveys. And so that's why we

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created these workshops. And so this one
is a lot of people I think um might be

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dabbling in AI but maybe not using it
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And that's the first one to like
understand how to use it for finance,

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for you know HR, all the different
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The other one is really about marketing
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expand using AI as a tool to help you
make it much easier so that you don't

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have to spend as much time creating your
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would be doing. So
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» Thank you so much. Okay, we're going to
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first one is overview of commercial real
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kicking this off.

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over to Hayden uh Algoro along with Joe
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presented to us in the prior uh
subcommittee meetings really just on the

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overview of the commercial real estate
industrial markets. Um but really for

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students in there I had the opportunity
to kind of share out really what's

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happening. Uh there's been a lot of
activity um but really just

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understanding the trend portions for San
County legal board for this county and

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» thank you Micah. So yeah I'm Hayden
Angaro uh along with Joe McCllum. We

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work with New York a commercial
company. We're a international company.

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Our offices are based just up the street
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know, Stephanie certainly knows, both of
us were chairs of the Sanfal Chamber.

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So, we are deeply committed to trying to
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Maybe revitalize implies that it needs
work, but there is work to be done. But

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we're really excited about this period
of time with a lot of exciting things

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coming to fruition, things we've been
talking about. My role, you know, with

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the chamber with Marin Economic Forum as
we always talked about the two big

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hurdles to attracting businesses to
Marin were housing and transportation.

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And we feel like the smart train has
helped uh somewhat with the the

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transportation element. people now have
the ability to come from the city by

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ferry, take a train to get to Marin or
people from the north have an

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alternative to Highway 101. So that that
we're we're we're excited about that.

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And now with the new state housing laws,
we're seeing a lot of new housing

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development which we think will really
help drive demand for uh our retail

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services in downtown and also provide a
driver for companies to grow and expand

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in Marin. So you know new business
formation. So that with an overview. Uh

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next slide please.
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you know, just a couple notable
transactions that have happened and some

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overviews.

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» We didn't have this audio portion
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» Yeah,
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» So, we are not playing. Okay. Also,
>> that hidden I just bought a house in

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Santafell. I'm now a Santafeld resident
to talk

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the Dominican area. Okay.
>> So, the office market as as we know has

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since co been challenging. Um,
there was just a green street

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publication put out. You know, I think
office buildings have decreased in value

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nationally around 30%. We're seeing some
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Marin that are in contract or have sold
for less than half price of what they

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used to be. Uh return from work is still
a challenge. Uh having said that,

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there's a dichotomy where in southern
Marin, we're seeing some of the highest

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lease rates ever. Actually, lease rates
that exceed precoid lease rates. So, uh,

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I know this is focused on Centerville,
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the Exchange, which is the group of
buildings across from the Country Mart,

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Drake's Landing, uh, Belvadier Place,
which is uh, down by the In-N-Out Mil

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Valley in Mil Valley. Those three
projects are now seeing rental rates

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that approach $7 a foot. So, those are
all-time high rental rates. Yeah, when

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you come to Sanfell,
they're basically at half price. So most

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of the downtown Santafell, Northern
Santafell class A inventory is in the

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350 to 375 range. The average lease rate
is about $3 a foot. So you can see that

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somebody in theory could rent space
infell for half the price of Larksburg

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or Mil Valley. Yet they often pick those
locations because access to the larks

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ferry where the executives live uh water
views things like that that attract

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companies to pay those higher rents. Uh
some notable transactions one of our

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larger employers uh the patient group
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They moved to 4040 civic center north of
us here. Uh we'll talk about that

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building. That building is approved to
be converted to residential. Uh that's

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an exciting story unto itself, but uh PA
is staying in in Centerfell, which is

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good news. They they leased 45,000 ft
last year. Um the Helix Adult School

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just leased a space on Shaver Boulevard
uh to the west. And again with the

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chamber we talked about the
revitalization of west end which is

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occurring and we are seeing a lot of
school activity uh programs related to

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education
uh being drivers in the market. Uh

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there's also a lot of executive suites
kind of we work type organizations.

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Workplace is one such group that just
located in the building that Joe and I

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work in 11015th Avenue. So that's a
co-working space. Uh as we see people

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work from home and not go to the office
every day, a lot of times they just want

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a small office. So, a lot of those
co-working businesses are doing very

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well in Marin. And then there was
another deal with BK Modern, uh, which

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is kind of an architectural design group
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Next slide, please.

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We've got some notable sales that we've
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because of the value but also some
themes here. Uh one Los Galenus uh that

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was a former
furniture store up in the Northfell area

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uh that was sold it was developed it
just sold for 55 million. Uh senior

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housing is a big driver in the market.
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institutional investors look at Marin as
as one of the great markets because we

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have an aging population. We have a
wealthy community that can afford

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services and so senior housing, assisted
living. Uh there's been a lot of

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activity in that sector. Uh 15154 Fourth
Street was a building we worked with

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Micah and everybody at the city on. It
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Uh it turns out that uh senior housing
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the financing to actually build it.
Construction costs are extremely

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expenses as we know interest rates are
high. So, one thing to keep in mind is

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we do have a slide of all this great uh
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What actually gets built remains to be
seen. That's the big conundrum is even

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though you get something approved, the
rents in in Sanfell and in Marin often

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don't justify the construction costs.
So, it remains to be seen what gets

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built. Senior housing, their ergonomics
do work. the Aegis uh project uh down

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the way is has been very successful. So
that is a driver in the market.

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United Markets uh sold both their
businesses and one uh real estate

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location to Molly Stone. Uh I think
that's another theme in Santafel and in

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Marin is uh I've been told this is not
to be quoted but the Trader Joe's in

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Santafelonto is one of the higher
revenue generating stores and all of

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Marin. We've got Whole Foods. Um I am
working on selling two buildings in

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North Centerfell 899 Northgate and 1050
Northgate. were in contract uh at prices

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way below what they would have been
pre-COVID. But what we are telling

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buyers and this particular buyer is the
um revitalization of the Northgate Mall

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with all the housing there and actually
Good Earth. Um I just moved from Santael

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went to the Fairfax Goodear. We think
that's going to really help the whole

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North Sanfell area. So, in the past, uh,
a lot of companies wanted to be downtown

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Santafel because of all the services,
and they wouldn't look up at the

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northern Santafell market because where
do I go have lunch? Where we're where I

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actually think uh, and we have a a slide
that's not included. Some of the biggest

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rent uh, achievers or office space are
adjacent to successful malls. So when I

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referenced
uh the exchange in Larksburg, it's

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across from the Country Mart. The
Country Mart went from before it was

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called the Country Mart, everyone said,
"Why does nobody go to the, you know,

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Larksburg Landing Shopping Center? Why
is it so dead?" And now people want to

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locate there because of the retail.
Drake's Landing that has high lease

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rates is right next to Bonire Shopping
Center. uh in Mil Valley, you've got the

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uh Belvadier Place which is right next
to the town center down in uh in

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southern Marin. And I I do believe we
believe that the Northgate Mall over

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time is going to be a generator where
people say, "I want to be up in the

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North Santa Fe market because there's
great restaurants, Good Earth is there,

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there's housing close by." So, we think
that's a great opportunity. Uh another

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uh sale that occurred was a Kaiser
building. That's kind of another theme

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in the market is
very few people uh when I say people uh

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lenders are still skeptical about the
office market. It's hard to finance an

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office building. A medical office
building is different. There's a lot of

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demand to find buildings that have
medical tenants. This particular

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building was leased to Kaiser and and so
it achieved a a high sales price

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compared to what other buildings are
selling for that are comparable and so

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the medical community is a driver. I
just read this morning that Biomarin

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just made a big purchase of another
company. I was happy to see they're

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buying somebody and not being bought. I
think that's always a fear we have is

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what if somebody buys biomarin and moves
them out of state but they've just made

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a big investment. Uh so that's a big
driver in our market with biomarin

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ultragenics up in Nevada. Uh the uh
former savings and loan uh across from

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David which is a reference point to me
because I eat there a lot and love that

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place that's approved for uh more
housing units. uh and Joe is going to

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talk about and you guys here are aware
of what is is being proposed but we did

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want to kind of go over um some of the
approved sites. The other driver in our

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market in Santa Fe uh as we know
automotive is a is a huge driver creates

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a lot of of tax revenue for the city of
Sanfell. The Price Company just bought a

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site. So, uh, I think our, uh, the car
industry, from what I'm told, again, I'm

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not an expert, has suffered a little
bit. It's not as robust as what it was.

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I think during COVID, everybody stayed
home and went out and bought cars and

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and then that's backed off a little bit,
but the the the you know, center the

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auto row on either side of 101 is is
healthy.

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» Can I just ask a quick point of
clarification on the slide information?

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» Yep. And then we have about five more
minutes. You said United sold both of

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its businesses. Did you mean both of its
locations? I mean,

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» one one was the business only because
they didn't own the real estate and one

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it was the real estate.
>> So, but the Sano location and the

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Sanfell location
>> both. That's what I Okay. Thank you.

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» Yeah, that's what I thought. Thank you.
>> Yeah, we'll we'll breeze through.

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» Yeah, Joe, I gave you five minutes.
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» Thanks. Well,
>> I wanted to kind of focus on uh the

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change of use that's been happening. And
what I mean by that is that post

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pandemic uh demand patterns have changed
in Sanfell. So, you know, we had some

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big retail spaces. A few of them were uh
are pointed out here, but what's going

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to go back into these place? I mean,
frankly, the location you see on on top,

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18014, that has struggled since it was
Yard Birds, and that was when I was a

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small child.
But, you know, we had the um Pacific

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Sales, I think it was, that was owned by
Best Buy. They came in. There was never

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really a there there with that. And
that's now going fitness. As many of you

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guys know, Body Kinetics is expanding in
there. It's 20,000 ft. a very large

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footprint of a commercial space in
Sanfell. And the way we see that is

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great, more people downtown. We're going
to have ins and outs. The the West End

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is already pretty vibrant. And so the
there's a bunch of new restaurants there

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on the strip center right in the same
parking lot. Pink Owl is there. That's a

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success story for Centerfell. So the
continued success from fitness is

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something we're we're eagerly um we're
monitoring and we're excited to help

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push that forward. Gary Place, the
Crunch Fitness, they just had a grand

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opening ribbon cutting the other day.
That's a former industrial space u

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practically tucked underneath the
freeway. So to have some life brought to

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that, I think is a win for everyone
involved. And then the last uh slide

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here is uh a baseball training facility
is moving into the space behind uh the

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rug store, which used to be Bananas at
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» Istanbul Rexan,
>> right? And uh the space you see it's a

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big open warehouse that was a former
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Probably as boring of a use as you could
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» but [clears throat] that's going to have
uh youth doing physical training. I mean

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that's another thing that's going to
bring people into the West End. The

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15154 street project is right across the
tenant was interested in this space not

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only because of the space itself but
because of the new housing that was

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going in and thinking this could be a
boon for everybody. So, um, when we look

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at downtown, um, I know there's always
been the the feeling and the impression

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that there's a lot of vacancy and
everything else. There's a lot more

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going on than I think the general public
that just drives through cares to

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realize. And we have some, I'll call it
chronic vacancy, but there's a reason

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for that. And we can go to the next
slide here, Greg. Um the uh this is a

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map that uh some of our colleagues and
us have been working on in our office

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that um shows where these proposed
developments are. And the the biggest

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vacancy that people like to point out is
right at 4th and A which is where the

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Goldstone project is. For reference, Mr.
Goldstone bought his first property 10

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years ago um on Fourth Street and he's
been amassing property ever since. But

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from a commercial standpoint, no
business is going to go into those

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buildings knowing that at any point
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so I know the city has invested in some
public art projects and the like, which

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I think is great. But from the public
perspective, they go, "Well, why isn't

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anybody here?" Well, who wants to invest
their business in something that they'll

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have to remove or could be torn down at
any time? Maybe it doesn't happen, maybe

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it does, but it's a big risk, especially
when you have a big uh big floor plate

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to fill. So, um, kind of what Hayden was
talking about earlier when it comes to

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development in Centerfell, what excites
me about this map is there's already a

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couple projects that have shovels in the
ground and those are closer to the

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transit center. 930 Irwin has the huge
crane, so that's kind of fun. And then

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the project at 7033rd, they're doing
some site work as well. So, um, lots to

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be excited about. Um, this focuses on
downtown. Of course, there's a lot going

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on in North Centerfell as well, but um
it sounds like there will be a pipeline

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update as well, so that will be a nice
add-on to this. So, Mayor Kate, I hope

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that
>> that was fantastic. I appreciate all

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this information done very, very
quickly. I'll see if there's any

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questions. Council member Hill, any
questions?

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» No, that was extremely informative.
Thank you for it was really helpful to

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hear your perspective on where things
are, even some of the nuances. they'll

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just call one of them out around even
just and it seems obvious when you say

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it but even just a medical building
office building has a different value

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proposition than than standard and
obviously we're

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» way way different there was a building
that sold up in

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uh that sold uh Min Health was the main
tenant I represent that building we did

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on long extension that building sold for
over $300 a foot the building right next

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door is priced we're just bringing it to
market way less because of the medical.

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>> Thank you.

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» Each of these agenda items are different
enough. We'll just take public comment

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or questions um with each one. So,
anyone around the table or in the room

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would like to comment or have a
question, all is welcome. Now is your

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opportunity to do so.
>> I just want to say more of a shout out.

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Thanks for filling out that Gary word
that Crunch Fitnesses. My family go to

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Mamelia to eat, you know, dinner there.
Every time I go there, there's plenty of

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parking. Last time I went, it was
driving. You can tell the whole

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community is coming together. There's
more stores opening up. So, it's really

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nice to see that place fills up.
>> Thank you.

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» Yeah, that was great. Ribbon cutting.
That place is packed.

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» Yeah.
>> Okay. Well, thank you. No, I thought

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that was really informative and I love
having this information, too. How do we

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have, you know, I was struck by what you
said that people drive down street and

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they have impressions, but there's
actually a lot going on. So, how do we

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continue to share all the information,
both the challenges and the

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opportunities? So, fantastic. Thank you.
We'll move along to the next item which

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is the overview of the city's housing
inspection program.

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Director Hankle.
>> So this I'm gonna obviously turn it over

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to assistant director Luke Kurt who's in
charge of both our building and code

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programs and uh introduction for his
first presentation here. So

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» y
>> take it away Lou.

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» Thanks Mike. I'll try not to break into
interpretive dance or anything.

411
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:21,919
» Oh you welcome. Don't worry. So, uh,
just to just to expand on on Micah's

412
00:34:20,079 --> 00:34:25,520
introduction, I I sit at a really neat
crossroads between building and code

413
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:28,879
enforcement and economic development,
and that really positions me ideally to

414
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:33,760
to listen to the concerns of the
community and to hopefully to be able to

415
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:38,560
have an impact on in many diverse areas,
including housing. So, without further

416
00:34:35,839 --> 00:34:42,320
ado, Greg, thank you. Uh, I I am going
to be brief in my comments. I anticipate

417
00:34:40,240 --> 00:34:45,839
there will be some questions. So, I I'll
try to run through these fairly quickly

418
00:34:43,839 --> 00:34:50,079
and then and then maybe we can have some
robust questions and answers. So, the

419
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:54,399
housing inspection program focuses on
preserving sa safe, sanitary, and

420
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:58,240
livable or residential environments
throughout the city. It applies

421
00:34:56,079 --> 00:35:02,880
systematically to residential properties
containing three or more units or hotels

422
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:07,680
with six or more units uh on a 5-year
cycle. Uh this proactive approach

423
00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:11,680
protects residents, promotes structural
integrity, and reduces blight. Next

424
00:35:09,839 --> 00:35:16,160
slide, please.
Properties must maintain essential

425
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:21,119
baseline standards for sanitation,
plumbing, water, climate control, and

426
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:25,440
waste removal. Structural components
like foundations, framing, and

427
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:29,839
loadbearing elements must remain sound
and safe. Uh the code also strictly

428
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:35,680
regulates weather protection, fire
safety, and proper egress. Next slide,

429
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:40,240
please. Inspectors
frequently encounter issues regarding

430
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:45,280
general wear and tear, poor upkeep, and
deteriorated interior and exterior

431
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:49,680
surfaces. Building envelopes often show
structural distress, broken or missing

432
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:54,000
windows, and inadequate ventilation or
natural light. Life safety concerns

433
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:58,960
regularly involve unpermitted
construction, defective smoke detectors

434
00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:03,040
or CO detectors, and unserviced fire
extinguishers.

435
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:07,599
Next slide, please.
The initiative uses proactive oversight

436
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:12,400
to detect and correct substandard
housing conditions before they escalate

437
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:16,480
or deteriorate further. It enforces
strict owner accountability while

438
00:36:14,079 --> 00:36:21,440
protecting vulnerable residents uh from
predatory practices and housing loss.

439
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:25,200
When major repairs occur, the program
supports displaced residents through

440
00:36:23,119 --> 00:36:30,960
relocation assistance, temporary
housing, or guaranteed rights of return.

441
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:37,359
I do want to insert here and I'm going
off script. I know that uh concerns were

442
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:44,079
brought about uh 78 Nevada for example
and as well as um uh 220 Canal. Um this

443
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:48,000
program does not limit us in our
enforcement response. We can go out to

444
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:52,400
these properties at any time. It doesn't
have to be on a 5-year cycle and we can

445
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:57,760
take action when there is complaints.
Um, so I really wanted to emphasize that

446
00:36:54,720 --> 00:37:00,800
we if if if we've just been out, don't
think that we're not going to be back

447
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:07,599
out for another five years. If there's a
problem, let us know. We will respond.

448
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:11,359
Next slide, please.
So, here we're getting into some

449
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:15,680
performance trends. And the uh graph on
the left shows case volume over the last

450
00:37:13,599 --> 00:37:20,800
10 years. case volumes have shown a
robust recovery following pandemic area

451
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:27,599
disruptions in 2000 and 2001 or excuse
me 2020 and 2021. Um the city has

452
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:32,960
addressed 58 cases as of mid 2026. Our
projection is to hit 131 total cases by

453
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:38,079
the end of the year and as you can see
that significantly outpaces all prior

454
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:42,640
years. The chart on the right is the
number of units we inspect. Um so a case

455
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:47,520
can have multiple units involved with
it. Uh again, our inspection volume

456
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:53,119
demonstrates strong operational growth
that surpasses prepandemic capacity

457
00:37:50,560 --> 00:38:00,720
following successful inspections across
uh 1322 units in 2024. The program has

458
00:37:57,359 --> 00:38:07,200
tracked 707 units to date and our
trajectory aims for a total of 1,593

459
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:11,280
units by year's end. Uh at this point in
time, I'm going to hand the next three

460
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:17,280
slides over to Alexis, my co-presenter.
And uh next slide, please. There we go.

461
00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:21,440
» Thanks, Lou. And hi, everyone. Um, we
wanted to talk a little bit about some

462
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:26,079
of the feedback that we've received
through our community engagement

463
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:33,280
efforts. Um, really the housing element
update um, rooted in Marin, but also

464
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:38,640
most recently, we were able to the city
hosted several focus groups and

465
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:43,680
interviews with housing case workers
from local nonprofits. So, we were able

466
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:49,280
to talk with frontline staff who work
directly with tenants. Um, and then

467
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:54,240
simultaneously, VOS Del Canel did about
80 interviews in on Woodland Avenue,

468
00:38:51,920 --> 00:39:00,240
Lincoln Avenue, um, and in the canal
with tenants. And habitability was a

469
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:04,720
consistent theme in all of this
community engagement. Um, and the

470
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:08,320
importance of the housing inspection
program and our overall inspection

471
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:13,520
program.
And what we heard was that

472
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:18,320
residents
um are less likely to report issues

473
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:24,240
because they're afraid of being
displaced. They're afraid of eviction,

474
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:29,520
rent increase, red tags. Um and that
that's particularly true for our more

475
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:36,079
vulnerable tenants, right? For tenants
with low income, tenants with poor or no

476
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:41,760
credit, voucher holders, uh tenants who
are maybe less established. um or or

477
00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:46,240
connected in the community, excuse me.
Um

478
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:49,119
and that a lot of times residents are
either we heard from tenants, we heard

479
00:39:47,839 --> 00:39:52,320
from case workers that tenants are
either living with an issue or they're

480
00:39:51,359 --> 00:39:57,119
trying to they're fixing [clears throat]
the issue themselves um rather than

481
00:39:54,640 --> 00:40:01,000
advocate or rather than go to the city.
Uh next slide, please.

482
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:08,800
But something positive that we heard was
that um even though property manager

483
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:13,599
responsiveness varied, we had some
tenants who said they their response

484
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:18,720
their um concerns were taken care of. We
had others who said there they did not

485
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:23,599
get a response. But what was important
um for us is that property managers and

486
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:28,320
owners were really motivated to address
issues in advance of city inspections.

487
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:33,200
Right? that was where a lot of people
saw responses where they hadn't been

488
00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:38,320
before. Um and and the second point is
that you know these the housing

489
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:42,240
inspection program is a proactive
inspection. So the burden is not on the

490
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:47,520
tenant
>> to go to the city, right? And it's not

491
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:52,640
going to be a single unit singled out.
It's every single unit gets inspected.

492
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:57,440
Um and so that that's really important
as well. So and then um next slide

493
00:40:54,640 --> 00:41:01,440
please.
Um

494
00:40:59,119 --> 00:41:06,160
we recently last year came out with our
rooted in marin report. Um a lot of the

495
00:41:04,079 --> 00:41:11,599
feedback that we got was very consistent
with that countywide report. Um on the

496
00:41:09,119 --> 00:41:15,359
property owner side we heard a lot of
concerns around high maintenance and

497
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:21,760
renovation costs and we have overall an
aging housing stock something like over

498
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:26,319
seven and 10 units are were built before
1980. So, um, we're seeing those

499
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:29,760
habitability concerns come up and and
there's, um, a large cost with that. And

500
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:34,160
we're also hearing from property owners
and managers that they would like more

501
00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:40,000
information and more resources and
clearer guidance. Um, but we haven't had

502
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:43,680
a chance yet to do specific engagement
on the housing inspection program. And

503
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:48,800
so, that's one of our next steps is to
do that with with um, all of our

504
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:54,079
stakeholders. Um,
and with that, I will hand it back to

505
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:57,839
Lou. Thanks, Lou. Thanks, Alexis. Okay,
looking at our fiscal outlook and

506
00:41:55,520 --> 00:42:02,880
sustainability, uh operations are
primarily supported by tax allocations.

507
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:07,920
They average about $350,000 per fiscal
year. Uh we are seeing a widening

508
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:11,839
funding gap in that's steadily emerging
between this fixed revenue stream and

509
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:17,200
the labor intensive demand of annually
inspecting in excess of 1500 units. Um,

510
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:21,040
strategic financial planning is
ultimately going to need to focus on

511
00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:26,240
shifting towards a self- sustaining fee
and model and funding model. Next slide,

512
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:29,599
please.
We're looking to modernize the program

513
00:42:27,839 --> 00:42:33,359
and those efforts will focus on boosting
digital tracking and reporting

514
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:38,800
efficiency. We're exploring avenues for
specialized uh capability to include

515
00:42:35,599 --> 00:42:41,839
mold and lead inspecting and testing.
Our additional goals include

516
00:42:40,079 --> 00:42:48,800
implementing graduated inspection
schedules. So imagine a an algorithm if

517
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:52,800
you will where we know that certain
properties need to be inspected more

518
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:58,480
frequently than 5 years and we will
define a basis so that we can equitably

519
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:02,720
spend our inspection time which is
limited where it most needs to be. Maybe

520
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:06,079
maybe a brand new building doesn't need
to be inspected for the first 10 years.

521
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:09,920
Maybe an older building that has no
issue need to be inspected every 2 and

522
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:16,480
1/2 years. So, we're going to look into
having that kind of flexibility that's

523
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:19,359
defensible built into this program. Um,
we also want to better align our

524
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:25,680
enforcement, as Alexa said, with the
rooted and marine initiative uh to uh

525
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:28,880
discourage displacement. Next slide,
please.

526
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:32,720
So, in conclusion, the housing
inspection program remains a cornerstone

527
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:37,680
of community welfare and sustainable
development in San Rafale. Our success

528
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:42,560
relies on balancing firm habitability
enforcement with practical support for

529
00:43:40,319 --> 00:43:46,000
both property owners and residents.
Ultimately, this framework ensures the

530
00:43:44,079 --> 00:43:50,400
city remains a safe, equitable, and
stable place to live. Uh, next slide,

531
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:54,480
please.
This brings us to the end of staff's

532
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:58,000
presentation and I welcome any questions
that you may have. Thank you.

533
00:43:56,079 --> 00:44:01,359
» Thank you, Assistant Director Kirk.
Thank you, Alexis, for that. We'll just

534
00:43:59,839 --> 00:44:05,280
start with questions from the council.
Yeah, go ahead. Council health question.

535
00:44:03,599 --> 00:44:08,800
I have uh three questions. So I
appreciated you bring up in the final

536
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:12,640
part of it around modernization in my
mind. So I like to tell a story then

537
00:44:11,359 --> 00:44:17,200
have you correct me. But I like to
believe that that digitalization

538
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:21,359
includes um a more modern case
management so that when a complaint

539
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:25,760
comes in someone can very easily say
like here's the next step. Here's you

540
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:28,400
know there's say a 30-day that has to go
by between when a letter is received all

541
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:31,200
that kind of stuff. Is that what you
might be referring to?

542
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:35,359
» It would certainly include all of that.
um we want it to be set up in such a

543
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:38,640
manner that any one of us here can open
the case file and immediately understand

544
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:42,800
what's happening. We're not there yet.
We are having some tech technological

545
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:47,599
difficulties with our transition to a
new software platform and but we're

546
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:51,599
we're seeing that as our goal and having
that capability eventually. Absolutely.

547
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:54,240
» Totally. Yeah. And I mean I think this
is self-evident but I want to say it

548
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:58,560
anyway and underscore why that's so
important is so that any complaintant

549
00:44:55,920 --> 00:45:01,680
can very readily understand rather than
calling up and saying well where where

550
00:44:59,839 --> 00:45:04,640
is this stand? they they know that okay
we have to allow this process to play

551
00:45:03,119 --> 00:45:06,800
out and it creates certitude on where
it's going to go.

552
00:45:05,359 --> 00:45:10,640
» Absolutely. And if I could just add on
to that um you know we we have an

553
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:15,920
educational element to this now and
education based enforcement is always

554
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:21,040
for our preferred staff to come from. Um
I want to do a better job in the future

555
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:24,480
of creating uh digital and hard paper
resources that are bilingual materials

556
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:28,240
that we can hand out in the community. I
know we have them now. They're not

557
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:31,359
always utilized. I think we can make
them more consumable. So that's

558
00:45:30,240 --> 00:45:34,000
definitely something we'll be looking
at.

559
00:45:31,839 --> 00:45:37,760
» Awesome. Thank you. My next one is a
little bit more broad. So I will get to

560
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:42,720
the question, but when I think about the
dynamic between, you know, a renter and

561
00:45:40,319 --> 00:45:46,640
a landlord that there's a lot of tension
there and a lot of that is exacerbated

562
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:49,920
by elements that are somewhat beyond, I
would think, the purview of the city

563
00:45:48,319 --> 00:45:53,359
necessarily, their economic conditions
and stratification of where wealth is

564
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:56,480
going because of our capitalistic
system. But um I know that there are

565
00:45:55,280 --> 00:46:00,640
ways that we'd like to make certain
we're dialing in our policy so that we

566
00:45:58,079 --> 00:46:04,400
are uh creating the best balance
possible. But one thing that I would

567
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:09,599
want to advocate too that could
obviously advocate with county and this

568
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:14,319
may be beyond the perview of CD which is
UBI pilots universal basic income pilots

569
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:17,440
have been used in other counties around
state of California to great success.

570
00:46:16,079 --> 00:46:22,880
You know I'm curious if any
conversations have been proposed with

571
00:46:19,359 --> 00:46:27,680
the county to introduce UBI. So, so for
example, uh a qualifying working family

572
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:31,520
could say get another $1,000 to help
with rent and utilities to to help

573
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:34,640
create a little bit more of a pathway
toward stability. Is that something that

574
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:37,680
that has been explored?
>> Not to my knowledge. Again, I've I've

575
00:46:36,319 --> 00:46:40,157
with apologies, I've only been here
three months, so I I still don't know

576
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:44,560
everything I need to know,
[clears throat] but um I do know that we

577
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:48,480
are working hard to build those
partnerships with our other community

578
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:52,800
partners, including the county, and this
is certainly something that I will look

579
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:56,400
into. I think it's a a it's a natural
idea. It just fits well with the

580
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:59,040
program. I don't see any reason why we
wouldn't explore that if it hasn't

581
00:46:58,079 --> 00:47:02,240
already started.
>> I mean, council member Hill, if I could

582
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:06,400
just add, I mean, some of the UBI
programs really been launched um in some

583
00:47:04,319 --> 00:47:09,599
of the larger cities as as trial starts
and I think a lot of us are really

584
00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:13,839
monitoring that approach. Little key is
having the financial pieces behind those

585
00:47:11,599 --> 00:47:17,839
programs and then really the data point
to come back on those. So I know Greg

586
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:22,400
and I when we're in Oakland those were
launched uh in that phase but the

587
00:47:19,839 --> 00:47:25,680
reporting was coming back in the UBI. Um
but I do think that it's something that

588
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:29,200
that over time I think we have to
evaluate this program particularly is

589
00:47:27,839 --> 00:47:33,119
really more about the housing stock
condition right yeah uh and the

590
00:47:31,119 --> 00:47:36,720
responsibilities of the the property
owners per se and also being their

591
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:41,280
contractual obligations as they actually
take rent versus habitable housing. So

592
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:46,079
that's really the core focus and I think
that's where we're looking at um the

593
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:50,079
opportunities to make our housing stock
healthy. Um there's some uh and over

594
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:53,599
time that's really the kind of the goal
that this program has been established.

595
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:56,079
It has it has been a cornerstone for San
Rafll. [clears throat] What we're

596
00:47:54,640 --> 00:48:00,160
starting to see is we're gotten to that
the age of our housing stock. It needs

597
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:03,920
more investment level. So really trying
to find out that balance between the

598
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:08,640
ownership and then the tenants and
getting it to the faith where we don't

599
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:11,520
have complaints of habit habit basic
habitability.

600
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:15,520
» Totally. Yeah. And and the reason why
I'm I'm connecting even you know this

601
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:19,280
outside notion that I'm I'm sorry it's
coming out of the blue of UDI is that it

602
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:24,079
relieves some of that tension so that
I'll say a good actor landlord would be

603
00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:27,839
able to make those investments and be
able to somehow recover appropriate

604
00:48:26,079 --> 00:48:31,440
funding to support that. Um, obviously
we don't want to remove stock if we

605
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:35,200
overburden a landlord. So, I do think
that there is a there's a balance that

606
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:38,800
that could be struck. If you'll have my
third one, which is I noticed, you know,

607
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:42,559
based on the public testimony we heard,
there were notions of fugitives fugitive

608
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:46,640
smells and pest control that weren't
part of that. Can you comment on if

609
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:49,359
that's in or out of purview of our uh of
our code?

610
00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:54,400
» It it is within the preview of our code,
both the inspection program and everyday

611
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:59,040
code enforcement. Um, I'll just go ahead
and say with respect to 78 Nevada, which

612
00:48:56,559 --> 00:49:03,200
I know came up uh during the uh earlier
public comments that the city is

613
00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:07,440
actively engaged with that property
owner. They are not cooperative or

614
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:12,000
responsive. We're dealing with a lot of
issues there, including a failure to a

615
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:15,520
secure trash service. So, trash was
building up. I made it very clear with

616
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:19,359
the refuge company, you need to collect
whether they're paying you or not. We'll

617
00:49:17,119 --> 00:49:23,280
sort the rest out later. Those public
safety and public health issues are

618
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:27,680
paramount. Um, we're still working with
that now. It's a multi-dep departmental

619
00:49:25,119 --> 00:49:31,200
effort and sometimes code enforcement
requires stronger methods and we're

620
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:35,839
starting to see that that might be the
way we need to go with this particular

621
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:40,079
property. And again, that is outside of
our inspection program. This is an

622
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:43,119
independent matter that came up
recently.

623
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:46,880
» That's helpful. if you'll allow for one
fourth one and it's not so much a

624
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:50,800
question but I think all of this is
really important for I think uh

625
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:55,040
residents to be able to have visibility
to you know what is the the overall

626
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:58,880
journey for each of these things if a
complaintant comes in here are the say

627
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:01,839
five top 10 complaints like you had on
there here's how they typically play out

628
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,760
I don't know if that already exists or
if it could be spelled out more clearly

629
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:07,200
for
>> it likely exists but I can spell it out

630
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:11,440
we receive a complaint and and let's say
there's there's several there's several

631
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:15,920
violations I like to say that the the
the property owner, the responsible

632
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:19,440
party in the violation, they control the
narrative.

633
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:23,119
» They control it completely. If if we
reach out to them on a courtesy level

634
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:27,839
right at the beginning of the case and
they're they're they're apologetic and

635
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:32,640
cooperative and appalled at these
situations and want to fix it, it gets

636
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:36,640
done and the case is minimal. Um, in
code enforcement, we talk about

637
00:50:33,839 --> 00:50:41,520
something called the tough 10%. So that
says that 90% of all of the cases we

638
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:45,520
deal with will be resolved fairly
easily.

639
00:50:42,559 --> 00:50:50,480
» Fairly easily. And that last 10% takes
every bit of resources we have to get

640
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:54,480
compliance. And it can it can it it
transcends just courtesy notices and

641
00:50:52,720 --> 00:50:58,880
notices and orders and administrative
citations. It can involve criminal

642
00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:04,160
complaints. It can involve abatements.
Uh very strong actions that we don't

643
00:51:01,119 --> 00:51:08,400
like to do. But again, the the
responsible party controls that

644
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:11,440
narrative. We try to educate them and
it's successful probably 90% of the

645
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:14,079
time.
>> Thank you so much.

646
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:17,440
» Thank you. I just have three questions.
So, one of your slides talked about the

647
00:51:15,839 --> 00:51:22,319
inspection, the number of units
inspected. You also did cases, but I was

648
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:27,440
focusing on that. Is there an industry
standard as a percentage of total units

649
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:32,240
that exist in the community that should
be inspected? So if you have 100,000

650
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:36,000
units, I'm just going to be that every a
community of our a community that has

651
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:39,359
100,000 units should have as a metric to
inspect 10% of those. Like I'm just

652
00:51:37,839 --> 00:51:42,160
trying to figure out you had that
number, but I didn't have any context

653
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:46,800
for it.
>> Um well, again, we we start we eliminate

654
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:52,079
uh properties that have fewer than three
units. So it's three or more units,

655
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:57,680
» and we inspect 100% of those units over
a 5-year period. That's for for

656
00:51:54,400 --> 00:52:04,079
residential. For hotels, the trigger is
six or more occupiable rooms. And we

657
00:52:01,119 --> 00:52:08,160
tend to look at 10% of those rooms.
>> So if a hotel has a 100 rooms, we'll

658
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:12,319
look at 10 of them. If we find problems
in all 10 of them, we'll expand that.

659
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:16,000
But it's more of a of a random sample.
But with with regard to residential,

660
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:18,960
it's 100% of those units.
>> Right. No, I appreciate that. But what

661
00:52:17,359 --> 00:52:23,280
I'm trying to figure out is what is the
universe of units? So I understand that

662
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:26,400
we're meeting our internal metrics of
doing 100% of those. I'm trying to

663
00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:29,599
figure out whether we're calibrated to
that right number.

664
00:52:28,559 --> 00:52:32,240
» Does that make sense?
>> So, so Mayor Kate, I I think you're

665
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:35,920
getting at kind of one of the
opportunities we have right now is we

666
00:52:34,079 --> 00:52:40,800
established this program some, you know,
20 years plus plus ago really

667
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:44,559
opportunity to kind of really apply more
not the algorithm really looking at

668
00:52:42,559 --> 00:52:51,599
really the and really it's really the
housing stock age and um condition I

669
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:54,640
think is one of the key pieces. There
isn't like an industry standard because

670
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:58,880
not all cities actually have this type
of program. So in essence, it is unique

671
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:02,240
to us in Sanfel. There are cities that
do have them, but is there a we call it

672
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:06,640
the city based standard? I don't think
it exists. It really depends on the

673
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:11,119
condition and stock and investment into
this. What we are finding though is the

674
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:16,160
type and level of complaints coming in
for our aging housing stock and also our

675
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:20,640
ownership too. um have a lot of uh
smaller uh owners, mom and pop owners or

676
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:24,559
say like single and then as an
investment and they don't have the

677
00:53:21,839 --> 00:53:28,800
capital to reinvest back into it. So
really we're starting to see some of the

678
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:32,960
transition of that happen too um or
they're selling those buildings to

679
00:53:31,359 --> 00:53:35,599
capitalize.
>> You know I think that's helpful. I just

680
00:53:34,319 --> 00:53:38,960
think as we talk about this going
forward is having that additional

681
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:42,640
context. I do understand and you had
someone had you said seven and 10

682
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:46,720
buildings were built or units before
1980. I just think we need a little bit

683
00:53:44,319 --> 00:53:50,319
more context so we know that like the
program is where it should be. We have

684
00:53:47,839 --> 00:53:55,359
the type right type of metrics I I I
just from a policy standpoint

685
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:59,280
» I I just feel this number needs to be
attached a little bit more to what we

686
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:03,440
see here in San Rafale. Did you want to
say something city manager? No. Yes.

687
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:07,119
» I'll just make a comment and and we can
follow up. I'm sort of also interested

688
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:12,400
in the trends that gets to your question
which is you know post pandemic sort of

689
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:16,319
the last two years a significant
increase and you know is that just

690
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:22,880
because of you know staff focus and
staff resources or is that because of

691
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:31,760
more issues right so to your point is
you know we were in the averaging 60

692
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:36,000
units a year or um properties you know
under a thousand and now anyway I'm just

693
00:54:34,079 --> 00:54:39,119
wondering if the current trend is where
we need to be.

694
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:42,319
» Is that more than we need to be? Is it
less than we need to be? You don't have

695
00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:44,960
the context for that.
>> I don't Yeah, I want to move on to my

696
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:47,839
other two question, but I do think as
we're talking about housing and the

697
00:54:46,240 --> 00:54:50,640
council does have this as one of our
goals and objectives that additional

698
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:54,000
parsing of it, I think is really
important.

699
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:57,839
» Um, so the next question and I was
struck by what was said about uh we all

700
00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:02,480
want the same thing which are safe
units. One of the challenges there

701
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:08,000
impediments to that is reporting and
people's concern about retaliation when

702
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:13,119
they report. So I'm curious does staff
have recommendations of how do we remove

703
00:55:10,720 --> 00:55:16,800
or reduce those reporting concerns?
Obviously the entire program of coming

704
00:55:14,720 --> 00:55:21,200
every five years regardless is one of
them. But for the I want to say oneoff

705
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:24,880
but for the ones that appear we have an
anonymous way of doing like I'm trying

706
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:29,359
to get a sense of how do we reduce that
barrier? How did you find out other than

707
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:32,559
folks having to come to the meeting or
in addition to folks?

708
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:36,000
» Yeah, absent the algorithm that we were
talking about which would help that

709
00:55:33,839 --> 00:55:40,640
process. Uh and again, this is this is
entirely proactive. It's not response

710
00:55:37,839 --> 00:55:44,079
based. Um just in standard code
enforcement practice, complainant

711
00:55:42,240 --> 00:55:49,359
information is protected by law. It's
anonymous. We do not release it. That

712
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:53,839
being said, it's pretty clear when we go
out to one of these units that if we go

713
00:55:50,799 --> 00:55:57,760
into unit 13 and find issues, unit 13
was probably the complaintant. There's

714
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,520
not much we can do to disguise that.
>> Okay,

715
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:03,520
» that's another reason why these
algorithms will help us because we can

716
00:56:01,839 --> 00:56:07,760
come in rather not in result to a
complaint, but because the trends are

717
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:13,280
telling us that we need to inspect this
entire property again. And because it's

718
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:16,400
proactive, it takes that that uh onus
off of the complaining that they're

719
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:19,680
they're putting themselves at risk.
>> Yeah. No, I think that's a really I

720
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:22,799
think that's worth um continuing to
investigate. How do we reduce it? And I

721
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:26,240
do think that's I want to say an elegant
but a very thoughtful solution. So if

722
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:30,960
you're getting I I guess what we want
the community to know is reports should

723
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:34,640
be made and if they're made from several
units in the same building that gives

724
00:56:32,799 --> 00:56:39,200
you the impetus to go and do the
proactive of the entire building, right?

725
00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:42,319
because that otherwise when people say
we cannot know unless people report it,

726
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:44,240
that's just the way it is. So, so we
have to

727
00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:49,200
» and and honestly, I want us to do a
better job of communicating with the

728
00:56:47,119 --> 00:56:53,040
community and getting them to know us
and trust us that we're we're not the

729
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:57,280
bad guys. There's there's a lot of fear
about code enforcement and we need to

730
00:56:55,280 --> 00:57:02,240
overcome that through education, through
outreach, through through doing events

731
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:06,400
together and building that rapport
>> so that everyone knows us, including the

732
00:57:04,720 --> 00:57:09,359
property owners. It's not a one-sided
thing. This this benefits everybody.

733
00:57:08,799 --> 00:57:14,640
» Absolutely.
>> And um finding an effective way to

734
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:17,920
communicate that is is important. And
you know that that that transcends

735
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:22,799
culture, cultural barriers, and
everything else. Um for example, I know

736
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:27,680
we'll do inspections and we'll find a
smoke detector is turned off and it'll

737
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:29,200
be fixed and as soon as we're gone, it's
unplugged again.

738
00:57:28,559 --> 00:57:34,559
» Yes.
>> Because of reasons. Um, so education is

739
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:37,280
important and it's definitely something
we want to increase and continue to

740
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:41,280
grow.
>> Fantastic. And working with our

741
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:44,880
community partners, we can continue to
>> address those issues. My last question

742
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:47,599
then we'll have public comment. It was
talked a little bit about when you're

743
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:52,240
talking about the universal basic
income. So when there's um improvements

744
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:57,760
or renovations that need to be made,
there's a cost associated with that. So,

745
00:57:55,040 --> 00:58:01,760
as we're improving housing stock and and
it's it was both rhetorical, but I'd

746
00:57:59,599 --> 00:58:07,200
like also input like who pays for that
cost? Traditionally, landlords and then

747
00:58:04,319 --> 00:58:11,599
residents. Um, are there other entities
that pay for that cost? I don't know if

748
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:14,240
it's government agencies through I don't
even know if they have housing stock

749
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:17,680
programs. I haven't heard of anything
like that at the state level, but that's

750
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:21,440
part of what we're running into, too.
So, if we're talking about government

751
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:25,760
subsidies, where does that come from?
What does that look like? or is that

752
00:58:23,359 --> 00:58:29,280
just not a reality?
>> It's just not a reality that that we've

753
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:33,520
come across this for the agency I've
worked in and and it's really related to

754
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:36,079
the responsibility. It's basically a
contractual obligation between a

755
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:38,160
landlord and a tenant.
>> Yes.

756
00:58:36,559 --> 00:58:42,400
» Um the [clears throat] thing that we
enforce and the thing that we focus on

757
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:47,359
is minimum habitability standards. We're
not asking for the maximum, not this

758
00:58:44,319 --> 00:58:51,280
beautiful. No, the basic health, life,
safety minimums. That's the obligation

759
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:55,119
of a property owner. If you're going to
be in the business of renting units, you

760
00:58:53,599 --> 00:59:00,079
need to meet that. So that's cost you
bear as the ownership end.

761
00:58:57,119 --> 00:59:05,280
» Um now I think there's possibilities. We
look at one of the things we look at in

762
00:59:01,839 --> 00:59:10,880
you know fines is citations. Um and
reevaluing our program some of the the

763
00:59:07,599 --> 00:59:14,160
tools we have for compliance. Um, we're
still working through some options, but

764
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:17,280
potentially it's if we do actually go
have to go that range and there is a

765
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:20,720
payout, maybe that that funding is used
to actually help buildings get to where

766
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:23,440
they need to be versus, you know,
augment the general fund or other

767
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:28,079
pieces. But there's other options we
need to start really focusing on to get

768
00:59:25,839 --> 00:59:30,480
overall compliance because that's what
we're really after.

769
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:34,720
» Yeah. And that really ties nicely what
Lou was talking about the education

770
00:59:31,839 --> 00:59:38,240
piece with the landlord. So having a
convening of the landlords to have those

771
00:59:36,799 --> 00:59:40,799
conversations because there are tools
that we have. They're a little bit

772
00:59:39,599 --> 00:59:44,079
clunky, but if you're going to be
paying, you know, $10,000 to the city,

773
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:48,000
is there a way that that money then goes
to the building or you get a make good

774
00:59:46,319 --> 00:59:52,559
ticket and you instead put it towards
the building? So, I think that's really

775
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:57,440
um I'm excited that those are actually
being discussed by staff. I think those

776
00:59:54,400 --> 01:00:02,160
are good tools. Um this is a juicy
topic, so we're going to go into public

777
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:07,119
comment and apologize to some of the
other agenda items. We always have more

778
01:00:04,799 --> 01:00:10,960
than we can fit. Um, but if you have any
public comment on this item, now is your

779
01:00:09,119 --> 01:00:14,160
chance to say something. We already
heard some public comment at the

780
01:00:12,079 --> 01:00:18,319
beginning, but we welcome additional.
Yes. And if possible, introduce yourself

781
01:00:16,799 --> 01:00:21,760
because um or just say who you are and
what if you represent organization or if

782
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:27,839
you don't, that's fine, too. Go ahead.
>> Kate, [clears throat] Aaron Bernett with

783
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:32,400
Now Alliance. Lou, welcome to the to the
city. I I really appreciated the the

784
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:35,760
messaging and I think more probably like
the tone of your presentation. I feel

785
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:40,640
like
was supportive tone and that's going to

786
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:44,480
resonate with community. Um, a lot of
the things I I wanted to ask have

787
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:51,680
already been asked and commented on. I
appreciate all Alexis's uh points that

788
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:56,319
she added and like us. Um, I think the
third point is simply like we've heard a

789
01:00:54,400 --> 01:01:00,079
lot of community voice here today. Um,
but it can always we would love to

790
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:04,079
continue that conversation and and help
do a deeper dive into a lot of those

791
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:08,559
interviews that Alexis was mentioning
and and maybe even do like a walk

792
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:14,000
through tour of now to kind of help you
understand um what community members are

793
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:18,319
facing and and when it comes to fears I
I I've heard a lot of yes there's

794
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:22,240
certainly fear of retaliation but also
want to make sure that we're not opening

795
01:01:20,559 --> 01:01:28,559
a can of worms that can potentially lead
to displacement um over time as we close

796
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:34,200
basically these standards and I know
like we can be the guide that forward

797
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:34,200
kind of

798
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:39,920
thank you for your partnership.
Yeah, go ahead.

799
01:01:37,839 --> 01:01:43,839
» Good morning. My name is Ethan Stroll
with Legal Aid of Marin and thanks for

800
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:48,160
taking the time today to think about
this super important issue, what the

801
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:53,359
convictions are for renters in
Centerfell and how they go about

802
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:56,559
addressing them. Uh at Legal Aid, we get
lots of calls from tenants who are

803
01:01:55,440 --> 01:02:01,280
wondering what their rights are
surrounding repairs. And California law,

804
01:01:59,599 --> 01:02:04,640
like was mentioned, is pretty clear
about this. Tenants have the right to a

805
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:08,960
habitable home, but it's about how they
go about enforcing that. Um whether

806
01:02:07,359 --> 01:02:13,599
they're making a repair request to their
landlord in writing or whether they're

807
01:02:11,119 --> 01:02:17,359
making a code enforcement complaint. The
question that often comes up for tenants

808
01:02:15,359 --> 01:02:21,920
uh on the phone uh when they're speaking
to our attorneys is, "Can they evict?

809
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:26,400
Can my landlord evict me? Um, and in
Sanfell currently, the answer is

810
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:29,839
complicated. No tenant in Sanfell, if
they're displaced by code enforcement

811
01:02:27,839 --> 01:02:34,559
due to a red tag, has the right to
return to their home. Uh, as was just

812
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:40,480
passed in Nevada. And tenants in one to
two unit buildings uh uh can be evicted

813
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:45,920
for any reason at all uh arbitrarily
because their protections that currently

814
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:51,599
has don't apply to them. um and tenants
outside the opportunity zone in the

815
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:55,599
canal can be permanently evicted um when
when their landlord conducts uh

816
01:02:53,359 --> 01:02:59,599
substantial renovations. So, we'd love
to be able to tell tenants if you hold

817
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:03,760
up your end of the bargain, you pay your
rent, and you follow your contract, you

818
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:08,720
cannot be evicted. But today, that's
currently um not the case. So, we're

819
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:12,880
asking for a basic floor protection so
that tenants can feel comfortable uh

820
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:16,880
requesting the repairs that they need in
their home. So, thank you.

821
01:03:14,799 --> 01:03:21,280
» Thank you. We also did receive a letter
from Lucy one Hollingsworth at Legal

822
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:25,039
Aid. So, the council, we did receive
that. So, thank you for those additional

823
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:28,799
comments.
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Go ahead, Stephanie. I'm

824
01:03:26,799 --> 01:03:32,640
Stephanie Plant. I'm a commercial
landlord. Uh, first of all, I'd love to

825
01:03:30,799 --> 01:03:38,000
change that term and we could Could you
come up with something besides landlord?

826
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:42,400
» Uh, land woman. Um, I appreciate what
you said about a convening of the

827
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:48,000
landlords and I also heard what you said
that uh there's it seems to me that it's

828
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:51,359
really easy to
the the onus is on the landlord and the

829
01:03:49,839 --> 01:03:56,079
conversation can be driven by the
landlord or property owner. But I think

830
01:03:53,039 --> 01:04:01,119
if if we sat them all down and convened
together, there would be a a I I would

831
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:07,599
imagine that 90% do want to do the right
thing. And the 10% bad apples probably

832
01:04:04,559 --> 01:04:11,200
wouldn't come to a convening, but um the
90%

833
01:04:09,039 --> 01:04:15,119
» maybe don't know. They don't probably
know what all I just think communication

834
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:20,400
is always better and we can't just
assume that people don't want to perform

835
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:23,520
if they don't know. and and I I heard a
little you know there's always an ad it

836
01:04:22,319 --> 01:04:26,960
sounds like there's an assumption of an
adversarial relationship and I don't

837
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:31,119
think that that's always true and I
would love to see that convening

838
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:34,799
» and um I don't know how I can help but I
would try to help if I have you helped.

839
01:04:33,714 --> 01:04:37,599
[laughter]
>> Thank you. No, it's No, we appreciate

840
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:40,799
that because we have ideas here but
that's why we have this

841
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:45,680
» and I think tenants right I am all for
tenants rights and and they we need more

842
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:51,280
of them and protections. I I also think
that landlords can be a little stuck in

843
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:55,280
their lane and they that conversation
can always help.

844
01:04:53,359 --> 01:04:59,200
» Thank you.
>> Other comments over here.

845
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:02,240
» There might be one here.
>> Yeah, go ahead.

846
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:05,440
» Yeah, just to close because I already
take time at the beginning of the

847
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:08,960
meeting, but I just want to say thank
you for the presentation and thank you

848
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:14,799
for being open to the conversation with
the community. That is really important

849
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:19,520
for us. Uh I think like historically
decisions that are being made just for

850
01:05:16,799 --> 01:05:25,200
people that it works for certain cities
or it works in certain like places but

851
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:29,200
in order to have a city that it drives
for a long term. We have to involve the

852
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:32,480
community and their needs as a center.
So we just want to connect that is a

853
01:05:30,799 --> 01:05:37,039
work that parent voices does all the
time. We have a big community in San

854
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:40,240
Rafael. Uh we have parents uh today from
Canal but also like we have

855
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:43,520
conversations with parents that they
live in other areas in San Rafael. We

856
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:48,160
have a building that is sustained on
pallets right now in San Rafale. Um so

857
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:52,319
I'm glad that you are educated about
this 78 no and you are supporting them.

858
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:55,119
We will have a conversation and I want
to follow up with you with the rest of

859
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:58,960
the tenants because they are getting
organized to have a conversation with

860
01:05:56,640 --> 01:06:02,720
the landlord too and they have the same
response as you. There it is. There is

861
01:06:00,799 --> 01:06:06,319
no response basically for them. So we
have to go with the next step. So we

862
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:11,680
want to learn how we can connect better
with you guys at at the level so we can

863
01:06:09,359 --> 01:06:15,520
work together and educate not just the
tenants but the landlords about like

864
01:06:13,359 --> 01:06:20,799
what it is expectation when families
that are paying $4,800 plus utilities.

865
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:24,160
Um I think like many of you know what it
is like the minimum wage over here in

866
01:06:22,319 --> 01:06:27,839
San Rafel. But those firms in order to
cover those $4,800

867
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:31,839
they have to work three jobs. they have
to share their homes and they have to do

868
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:37,039
like they have to leave their children
with others and then do other um things

869
01:06:34,799 --> 01:06:40,960
to to pay and live over here in San
Rafael. But um just going back to

870
01:06:39,359 --> 01:06:46,799
Ethan's point and talking about the
ordinance that we just passed in Nevada,

871
01:06:43,039 --> 01:06:50,960
it it has the right to return. It has uh
higher relocation payments that what the

872
01:06:48,559 --> 01:06:56,319
states offers. Um it has all the
communication on their language, the

873
01:06:53,359 --> 01:07:01,200
preferred language. And then also one of
the important things that I want to

874
01:06:57,839 --> 01:07:06,319
mention that that creates was it gives
them like

875
01:07:03,119 --> 01:07:10,079
certain coverage for the people to be
able to speak because they know they

876
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:13,280
have protections. So if we want to see
more people involved at those

877
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:15,039
conversations, we have to offer the
minimum.

878
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:18,000
» Thank you.
>> Um so I'm going to close out this agenda

879
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:21,920
item, but I'm going to turn it to our
city manager because there's been uh

880
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:27,359
we're going to keep talking about this.
So maybe just um uh expectations around

881
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:31,440
what that looks like. I mean again a
subcommittee is only two of us. This is

882
01:07:29,039 --> 01:07:35,760
not we're not a decision-m body here. It
always comes before the entire council

883
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:38,720
part of our upcoming policy looking at
the policy. But if you could speak to

884
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:41,920
that just so folks can have an
expectation.

885
01:07:40,559 --> 01:07:45,920
» Yeah, I think there's a lot of good
information being shared and the

886
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:49,760
feedback's always helpful. Um we
probably need to huddle up internally. I

887
01:07:47,599 --> 01:07:54,400
think there's uh
um you know we heard the you know

888
01:07:52,559 --> 01:07:58,240
fine-tuning the program tools and
metrics we talked about the you know the

889
01:07:56,480 --> 01:08:03,039
property owner side and then the you
know community centered piece of it. So

890
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:09,039
I think each of those have immediate
next steps and then maybe the work on

891
01:08:05,839 --> 01:08:14,000
how to bring it together. So whereas the
policy piece is kind of at the intersect

892
01:08:11,119 --> 01:08:20,080
of those. So, um, didn't answer your
question, but I think there's some, um,

893
01:08:16,799 --> 01:08:22,960
good feedback for staff to come back to
and, uh, bring the conversation back.

894
01:08:22,480 --> 01:08:27,120
» Okay.
>> If I can just add

895
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:32,560
city,
um, the council actually had multiple

896
01:08:29,440 --> 01:08:35,839
these items identified in work plan uh,
of which we are, uh, structured to bring

897
01:08:34,319 --> 01:08:39,920
forward before the end of the year. So,
we are framework. This is a continuous

898
01:08:38,239 --> 01:08:43,040
pieces and this engagement part is
really important but we do will come

899
01:08:41,279 --> 01:08:46,719
back for these items. We have been
working on them.

900
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:51,440
» Thank you. Fantastic. Thank you all.
>> One one more just piece of context and

901
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:56,799
this is for us. The other thing that um
>> I don't want it in any way to sort of

902
01:08:54,400 --> 01:09:01,440
dilute the focus of this conversation.
But the other thing that comes to mind

903
01:08:58,239 --> 01:09:06,080
is that this effort is just one of the
bodies of work for the enforcement team

904
01:09:03,440 --> 01:09:11,279
at the city. And so also understanding
how to appropriately prioritize and

905
01:09:08,319 --> 01:09:16,000
focus on the um property inspection
program and you know how that might mean

906
01:09:14,319 --> 01:09:19,040
it's going to come down to resources. So
we'll have that conversation as well

907
01:09:17,679 --> 01:09:22,480
because we don't want to just
>> of course

908
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:26,480
» you know pull resources from another
um

909
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:30,159
» yep at least some we context. Thank you.
Um, we are going to jump right into the

910
01:09:28,319 --> 01:09:33,440
quarterly development pipeline update.
And again, we're watching our time. And

911
01:09:32,239 --> 01:09:35,600
I know you speak really quickly,
director Hinkle. So

912
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:39,040
» that's what I want to make. Uh,
assistant director Miner speak quickly.

913
01:09:37,839 --> 01:09:43,120
» He is a quick speaker.
>> I can speak even quicker hopefully. Good

914
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:47,359
morning, Greg Miner, Community Economic
Development Department. This is our

915
01:09:45,279 --> 01:09:52,960
quarterly pipeline update on major
projects that are uh being processed by

916
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:58,640
our planning division and and uh moving
forward. They're mostly um housing

917
01:09:55,760 --> 01:10:04,480
developments as was kind of alluded to
earlier. Uh first off in the corner you

918
01:10:01,199 --> 01:10:08,640
might see a QR code going to make our
monthly or quarterly plug for our major

919
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:13,440
planning projects web page. You could
just Google Sanfell major projects. You

920
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:17,760
get a web web page that has a map and
you can see major projects and you can

921
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:22,080
see what's happening what stage of the
process are they uh did they submit a

922
01:10:20,159 --> 01:10:26,000
pre-application? Have they submitted a
formal application? has it been approved

923
01:10:24,159 --> 01:10:30,239
or entitled or have they started
construction? So, if you're curious

924
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:34,320
about what's happening in Summerfell and
you don't have to wait for this monthly

925
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:38,960
meeting or the quarterly update, you can
check it anytime. Um, and you don't even

926
01:10:37,440 --> 01:10:43,280
have to make your own map like Joe was
making earlier. [laughter] You're

927
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:47,360
welcome to make your own map, but you
don't have to.

928
01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:51,280
» Uh, so in terms of the the update for
this uh quarter, I would actually

929
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:56,000
highlight the bottom half of this
screen. It's probably not a coincidence.

930
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:59,199
We we have more pre-applications than
formal applications that we're working

931
01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:04,560
through at the moment. Um
pre-applications are kind of a a product

932
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:10,880
of a 2019 state law, the California
Housing Crisis Act or Senate Bill 330 or

933
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:15,360
SB 330. It was uh designed to encourage
more housing production in California

934
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:20,159
and lowering barriers for housing
developers, including allowing them to

935
01:11:17,679 --> 01:11:25,440
submit a pre-application that freezes
development standards, zoning and and

936
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:31,040
fees in particular. So, uh, the council
is well aware, uh, roughly two months

937
01:11:27,679 --> 01:11:36,800
ago, they adopted a development impact
fee, a park impact fee to charge housing

938
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:42,000
developments their fair share of their
impact on the city's recreational

939
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:47,600
system. Those fees are starting to kick
in. So, it's we we've observed uh a

940
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:53,120
little bit of a rush for from uh
developers submitting pre-applications

941
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:58,560
to to uh lock in the fees before that
new impact fee took effect. So, it's uh

942
01:11:56,880 --> 01:12:03,920
just last week, starting from the
bottom, we received a pre-application

943
01:12:00,719 --> 01:12:08,719
for 515 Third Street. If you recall the
the presentation from Newark earlier,

944
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:15,199
that's the United Markets site by the
Whole Foods. So, they're proposing a 285

945
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:20,560
unit sevenstory housing development. Um,
above that on this slide, 88 Vivian,

946
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:25,920
folks may be aware, that's the former
country club bowling site that, um, very

947
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:31,600
disappointed is no longer a bowling
alley, but has been red tagged for

948
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:37,280
structural deficiencies. We have a new
application uh, submitted for 129 units,

949
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:42,320
two three-story buildings.
Um 700 B Street, that's the current

950
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:47,440
Safeway location. Uh we received a
pre-application for 331 units,

951
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:53,040
eightstory building. Uh and above that,
901 East Street's 200 units of housing

952
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:59,360
proposed for eight stories. And the last
pre-application listed uh is going is a

953
01:12:56,400 --> 01:13:03,760
proposal for 100% affordable project and
192 units. Um so my understanding that

954
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:08,000
is that site was previously entitled for
a market rate. This is this would be

955
01:13:05,679 --> 01:13:11,760
100% affordable uh development. So
that's exciting.

956
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:19,031
» I just had that project at 88 Vivian.
The same thing, 100% affordable.

957
01:13:15,440 --> 01:13:22,080
» We're trying to keep it tight.
[laughter]

958
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:27,679
» Um and then the the applications above
are are are projects that uh are formal

959
01:13:25,440 --> 01:13:30,560
applications that we've received. Uh
obviously Kaiser Hospital is not a

960
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:34,800
residential development. That's a
replacement of the existing hospital in

961
01:13:32,239 --> 01:13:41,920
order in in order to meet seismic
standards. And I believe um the city's

962
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:45,760
uh environmental consultant has has
produced a draft environmental impact

963
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:48,400
report uh which is part of complying
with the California Environmental

964
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:51,679
Quality Act or SQL.
>> Yeah, we're still we're still working on

965
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:55,040
that internal draft. It's not ready for
publication yet, but really it's just

966
01:13:53,199 --> 01:13:59,040
we're framing up next steps that will
likely come forward. So it's really a

967
01:13:56,719 --> 01:14:02,719
key critical uh investment in the
community for that Kaiser hospital. So I

968
01:14:01,199 --> 01:14:09,040
wanted to kind of frame up we're
finalizing kind of the draft EIR for

969
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:12,000
publication. Uh and so the last three
developments listed under active

970
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:15,920
development applications are in
different stages of kind of consistency

971
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:21,360
analysis. They've been deemed complete.
We're just uh confirming their

972
01:14:17,679 --> 01:14:27,760
consistency with the city's uh planning
requirements. 245 Nova Albon that's 93

973
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:33,600
single family homes 790 Mission is
proposing 105 units um multifamily

974
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:37,840
eightstory uh development taking
advantage or utilizing the state density

975
01:14:36,159 --> 01:14:44,239
bonus law to have a mixture of
affordable and market rate housing and

976
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:47,040
50 uh Maryale's a 12unit subdivision. So
those projects are are moving forward

977
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:50,159
and will be going to the planning
commission in the coming months. That's

978
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:53,360
the date for today.
>> Wow. Fantastic. questions.

979
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:57,280
» No questions.
>> I don't have any questions other than up

980
01:14:55,520 --> 01:15:01,600
the good work because uh we know that
the sheer volume is very different than

981
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:06,239
it was even two years ago.
>> So I will open up public comment on this

982
01:15:04,159 --> 01:15:10,080
item and we always appreciate public
comment here and when it goes to the

983
01:15:08,480 --> 01:15:14,000
planning commission or if it ends up the
city council we also like public comment

984
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:17,440
there. I think that's important. So we
really appreciate the community staying

985
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:21,600
engaged when these projects come forward
because u not all we want all voices

986
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:25,199
represented in the room.
Um, so additional comments. No. Yeah,

987
01:15:24,480 --> 01:15:30,640
Hayden, go ahead.
>> Just a question. The FARC fee, how is

988
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:35,120
that determined and what does it when
somebody pays into that, where where

989
01:15:32,480 --> 01:15:38,880
does the money actually go? What what
what's the result of that? Because we're

990
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:42,080
we're getting asked about it and I I'm
not educated on

991
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:47,040
» city manager.
>> Take a stab at that. So um you know the

992
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:51,199
park impact fee that you're referring to
and there's also a park and zoo fee

993
01:15:49,440 --> 01:15:58,960
component and basically it's the
mechanism by which we can ensure that uh

994
01:15:55,520 --> 01:16:06,480
new development is as was um mentioned
kind of their fair share of maintaining

995
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:12,800
our um park standards right acreage per
thousand etc etc. So, uh, the short

996
01:16:09,679 --> 01:16:19,360
answer is we have a park master plan. We
have, um, tied to the planned growth and

997
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:24,560
so carved out part of those projects
are, um, responsive to projected

998
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:32,000
increases in population. And it's really
just the, you know, math exercise of um,

999
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:38,719
uh, the total funding needed to support
development's impact as a function of

1000
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:42,880
the the planned growth. Um and so uh the
city has not here to for had a park

1001
01:16:41,199 --> 01:16:46,480
impact fee. So there is a little bit of
a catch-up and that's why you see a

1002
01:16:44,480 --> 01:16:53,199
little bit of a you know reaction from
the development community about this new

1003
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:59,440
fee. Um in response to that and in order
to you know um not have it have undue

1004
01:16:56,960 --> 01:17:04,719
impact in adopting the fee it's
important to note that the council um

1005
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:09,840
opted for a three-year phase in of that
fee. So, even though it's going to be

1006
01:17:06,480 --> 01:17:15,120
effective here shortly, um the first
year is 50% of the fee and then it'll go

1007
01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:20,320
up to 75% and then 100% of the fee. But
those dollars by state law are required

1008
01:17:17,440 --> 01:17:29,440
to be accounted for tracked separately
and used solely to fund park um and

1009
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:32,800
facility improvements uh to support the
pipeline of projects that are coming in.

1010
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:34,880
And we can talk some more about that if
we need.

1011
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:38,880
» Yeah. just
there's a perception that it's an

1012
01:17:36,719 --> 01:17:43,600
attempt to make it more difficult to
develop. You know, this is this is just

1013
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:48,400
a mechanism because the state
>> has made it easier to develop. Now the

1014
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:53,600
city comes in and makes a hurdle. These
as I mentioned these projects,

1015
01:17:50,719 --> 01:17:58,000
» most of them don't pencil. So when you
add another layer of cost, it means

1016
01:17:55,920 --> 01:18:00,560
maybe you get nothing. So just
>> yeah,

1017
01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:04,159
» it's it's a good cause. I you know I
think everybody agrees that we need to

1018
01:18:02,719 --> 01:18:07,600
pay in but
>> those are pretty big.

1019
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:12,320
» If I could add one more flavor to that
the park impact fee is one such fee

1020
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:16,080
right there's traffic mitigation fee
we're looking at public safety and one

1021
01:18:13,679 --> 01:18:20,719
of the things that um in looking at this
at the staff level through our

1022
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:27,360
subcommittee the council we're also
keenly focused on what is the cumulative

1023
01:18:23,679 --> 01:18:30,800
impact of all of these on prospective
developers. So as we're working on these

1024
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:35,920
additional fees, the idea is not
necessarily just to pile on, but to sort

1025
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:41,840
of ensure that in aggregate we're
staying u hitting that sweet spot

1026
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:46,400
between the very real costs of u
maintaining and updating the the

1027
01:18:44,239 --> 01:18:50,080
infrastructure and the burden that it
falls on the development.

1028
01:18:48,159 --> 01:18:52,239
» So there could be relief in other areas.
So the aggregate

1029
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:54,320
» 100%.
>> Thank you.

1030
01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:57,920
» And there's a whole council meeting has
a lot of that too that we did talk about

1031
01:18:56,239 --> 01:19:00,159
it extensively. Okay. I know there was
more. Is there public comment over here?

1032
01:18:59,679 --> 01:19:01,679
No,
>> I'll withdraw.

1033
01:19:01,199 --> 01:19:06,480
» What?
>> I'll withdraw.

1034
01:19:04,480 --> 01:19:10,239
» This time I don't know if I have Yeah.
Okay. Really quick comment.

1035
01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:13,520
» There's a question and a comment, but
I'm not sure maybe our friends at New

1036
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:18,880
Market answer that question, but when it
comes to these sites specifically that

1037
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:23,760
are going to be replacing supermarkets.
Um, in the pre-application, it's 100%

1038
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:27,600
housing, but is there still room in the
later parts of the application to

1039
01:19:25,440 --> 01:19:30,640
incorporate commercial opportunities
into those, or is that something that

1040
01:19:29,440 --> 01:19:32,800
we're not seeing or does it not pencil
out?

1041
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:37,280
» Just a short answer on how the city can
influence whatever project is coming in.

1042
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:40,400
» Uh, the short answer, no. For housing
projects, the city really has no

1043
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:43,040
authority to require commercial. It's
actually the opposite for state law. If

1044
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:46,400
you actually have a commercial zone
parcel, you want to do 100% residential

1045
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:49,760
that meets affordable housing
requirements, the city has no control

1046
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:53,600
points over that. So really, it is up to
the developers to make that push.

1047
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:59,360
» Although we do pass along community
input, course that we received. Okay.

1048
01:19:56,000 --> 01:20:03,199
Any other public comment on this item?
>> Thank you so much. And the next item on

1049
01:20:01,679 --> 01:20:07,440
our agenda is a status update on
opportunity zone 2.0 census track

1050
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:12,640
nomination process and a state and their
infinite wisdom reacting to what the

1051
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:18,400
count what the city proposed. So, who is
assistant director of minor? No, there

1052
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:22,960
was down here. Oh, Alexis somebody Stacy
>> I think Stacy if she can maybe leading

1053
01:20:21,679 --> 01:20:26,400
this this item.
>> Hi, good morning Stacy Lman economic

1054
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:29,679
development. Jen, thank you very much
for your presentation.

1055
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:35,280
» Um, today I'm just providing an update
on the opportunity zone 2.0 process.

1056
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:40,719
That is a stated driven process to
nominate eligible census tracks to

1057
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:46,800
become an opportunity 2.0 So zero, which
is part of a federal program to um allow

1058
01:20:44,159 --> 01:20:53,679
tax incentives for investment in
certified census tracks. So um in July,

1059
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:58,159
your city council made a recommendation
to nominate certain tracks in a priority

1060
01:20:56,159 --> 01:21:04,719
order to the state of California that
was submitted by staff. Um recently the

1061
01:21:01,440 --> 01:21:08,719
state has come back with two identified
um census tracks that they're

1062
01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:13,120
recommending for nomination. Um these
are the only two census tracks that were

1063
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:20,800
named in Marin County. So we're very
pleased to have Sanfell recognized with

1064
01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:26,560
economic opportunity. Um and um her
uh being consistent with the city

1065
01:21:23,440 --> 01:21:31,520
council's nomination of priorities. Um,
we will respond to the state's

1066
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:37,600
nomination with a support of census
tract 11

1067
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:44,880
my glasses here 1110 01 which is the
downtown census tract. And we would um

1068
01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:49,920
also recommend a replacement of one of
the canal tracks in southeast Sanfell

1069
01:21:48,159 --> 01:21:56,719
with a larger tract in southeast
Sanfell. So the state nominated um

1070
01:21:52,719 --> 01:22:01,440
census tract 112203 which is highly um
residential, very dense, doesn't have a

1071
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:08,560
lot of economic development potential
other than housing. Um whereas uh the

1072
01:22:04,719 --> 01:22:13,920
tract 112204 which is the larger um
southeast track that has primarily

1073
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:18,639
industrial lands um we've found through
our analysis has a greater um

1074
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:22,800
opportunity for economic investment and
housing development as well. So um we

1075
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:27,040
will be submitting that response. There
is um been a lot of collaboration with

1076
01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:32,400
community partners including Canel
Alliance, other folks at this table. Um

1077
01:22:29,679 --> 01:22:38,239
so um there is an opportunity to reach
out to interested parties in the

1078
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:44,639
community and respond. the city uh can
in fact collect uh comments and submit

1079
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:49,760
our response um with a packet of other
community respondents so that the state

1080
01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:53,760
receives um comment in aggregate.
>> What's the timing on that?

1081
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:59,920
» We will be responding by September and
I'm sorry August 28th and um my goal as

1082
01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:03,520
a staff person is to respond a few days
before that. So, we were asking for any

1083
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:08,159
folks that would like to respond and
have the city uh compile a response and

1084
01:23:06,480 --> 01:23:12,480
submit with the cities. I would like to
receive that by the 25th of August so

1085
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:15,120
that we can submit on the 26th.
>> Where are we on the draft letter we've

1086
01:23:14,239 --> 01:23:20,320
been working on
>> to you within a few hours. We all

1087
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:24,400
reached we all agreed on who was going
to reach out to which uh elected offices

1088
01:23:22,639 --> 01:23:28,239
and we've had some I think Omar got
Huffman's office to say yes while we've

1089
01:23:26,159 --> 01:23:33,360
been sitting here. Uh Connellyy's office
said yes. I'm waiting on Magguiire's

1090
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:37,360
office. So we have a So we have some um
answers some ready to put their

1091
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:41,280
signature on the letter. So I was just
fantastic. We were waiting for some I

1092
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:45,040
know you were waiting for some review.
>> Yeah. No, that's fantastic.

1093
01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:49,280
» We're ready to Thank you. We're ready to
Thank you for your involvement and and

1094
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:51,920
responding and getting this uh in the
right place for our community. Quick

1095
01:23:51,280 --> 01:23:54,400
questioning.
>> No quick questions.

1096
01:23:53,040 --> 01:24:00,239
» No quick question.
>> The Yeah. 03 was the tragedy we had in

1097
01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:04,560
opportunity zone. I'm sorry. Sorry.
>> The initial approval, right, was the one

1098
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:08,080
we had in the first goround,
>> right? So, we are just and and I

1099
01:24:06,239 --> 01:24:10,320
understand that we are allowed to
>> want to say thank you, but could you

1100
01:24:09,679 --> 01:24:14,320
» Yes.
>> And I I guess we learned from the

1101
01:24:12,719 --> 01:24:17,520
consultant at the Canal Alliance that
that we won't be taking anything away

1102
01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:21,600
from anybody else. Like to be given two
slots and to still ask for only two

1103
01:24:19,679 --> 01:24:27,040
slots doesn't like say um hey Los
Angeles, sorry for you. But there's no

1104
01:24:24,239 --> 01:24:30,239
adverse ramifications which we were all
also happy. I hope we live in a world

1105
01:24:28,480 --> 01:24:34,480
where that map makes sense.
>> Well, what we were hoping So, any other

1106
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:39,440
public comment? I think those are
excellent. Oh, I'm sorry.

1107
01:24:36,639 --> 01:24:44,080
» Put a, you know, highlight exclamation
point that of the five priority areas

1108
01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:49,440
that we had in rank order one through
five. Correct me if I'm wrong, but what

1109
01:24:46,159 --> 01:24:53,520
the state came out with was San Rafll,
you get your number two and your number

1110
01:24:51,199 --> 01:24:57,360
four from your own list. So really what
we're asking for is number one and

1111
01:24:55,760 --> 01:25:03,920
number two would probably make more
sense particularly for all the reasons

1112
01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:07,440
that we think these are um available to
>> Yeah. No and and you have a full support

1113
01:25:06,239 --> 01:25:12,639
of the council because the council
already passed resolution and um so yeah

1114
01:25:10,639 --> 01:25:15,280
» go ahead and be successful. Additional
public comment on this item. Yeah. Go

1115
01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:19,520
ahead.
>> Yeah. Yeah, I guess gratitude to the

1116
01:25:16,480 --> 01:25:24,000
city um for coming together on this and
supporting community a collaborative

1117
01:25:22,239 --> 01:25:27,679
that involves
now Alliance and and our work, but also

1118
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:31,760
like the the center federal working
group. Um I think we have the right

1119
01:25:29,679 --> 01:25:36,560
pieces in place to make this successful
and and bring opportunities for all and

1120
01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:40,239
really appreciate that the the city
council is all behind this. Um, so

1121
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:44,400
beyond this letter, if you're able to
text or call any of your state reps, we

1122
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:48,480
would appreciate
>> making that making that switcheroo.

1123
01:25:47,704 --> 01:25:51,440
[laughter]
>> Switcheroo, like, you know, our request,

1124
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:53,520
our initial request.
>> Yes.

1125
01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:57,840
» Maybe they could just reread the fine
print.

1126
01:25:56,239 --> 01:26:03,199
» Actually, I do have a quick question.
Yeah. In the letter is there does it do

1127
01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:07,360
we regard it as um [clears throat]
harmful to say and could you toss in a

1128
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:10,880
third if you have an extra or is that or
is it not that straightforward to just

1129
01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:16,560
say hey we we have a third in mind if
you have a free slot?

1130
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:22,239
» Uh the way the response portal is on the
state's website you could nominate an

1131
01:26:18,639 --> 01:26:26,639
additional tract. Um,
how

1132
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:29,920
» it's a it's a it's a very interesting,
you know, you don't want to take one.

1133
01:26:28,159 --> 01:26:32,960
You know what I mean? You don't want
that.

1134
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:35,360
» It's a fair answer. I just want to say
yes, it's fraught, so let's not do it.

1135
01:26:34,719 --> 01:26:38,159
That's
>> never wanted to. And I think adding in

1136
01:26:37,199 --> 01:26:42,320
more stuff and making it more
complicated. You risk them picking the

1137
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:45,840
one you don't want. No, I think that's
>> Thank you. So, I appreciate that. That's

1138
01:26:44,159 --> 01:26:48,239
the game. Let's play the game. Well,
thank you.

1139
01:26:46,639 --> 01:26:52,560
» So, we're all learning. That's learning
the game, too. and so are they.

1140
01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:56,960
» Any other public comments?
>> Just to thank you for your leadership,

1141
01:26:54,080 --> 01:27:01,199
Stacy, and also the collaboration with
the Canal Alliance and the business

1142
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:04,960
community has been robust and um I'm
very proud. Thank you. Proud.

1143
01:27:03,199 --> 01:27:09,280
» Stacy Cassid, hopefully the letter will
underscore I know in earlier

1144
01:27:06,480 --> 01:27:13,280
conversations um
I think that highest priority track that

1145
01:27:11,920 --> 01:27:17,520
wasn't included was sort of the
consensus uh highest priority track. We

1146
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:21,600
had discussions about other priorities.
So, it's just odd that the state would

1147
01:27:19,199 --> 01:27:27,120
come back and say, so just emphasizing
the fact that there's consensus

1148
01:27:24,639 --> 01:27:31,840
um that went into that number one
selection would be important.

1149
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:36,080
» Fantastic. Thank you. Thank you for that
uh fate and hopefully we'll have good

1150
01:27:33,199 --> 01:27:39,600
news at the next update on this. So, our
final and our last minute, we have

1151
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:43,120
future agenda items. Um, if there's
anything I know that the staff has been

1152
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:47,360
listening to this conversation, tenative
future items are anti-displacement house

1153
01:27:45,360 --> 01:27:52,960
housing policy, cannabis program,
follow-up action, the 2026 city council

1154
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:57,120
housing sess study sessions. Is there
anything else? And we're going to just

1155
01:27:54,719 --> 01:27:59,600
do just shout it out at this point if
there's something else that you would

1156
01:27:58,239 --> 01:28:04,400
like to possibly hear. just to
underscore what we heard as part of the

1157
01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:09,440
anti-displacement housing policy update
just because we definitely heard it loud

1158
01:28:06,719 --> 01:28:13,520
and clear today um around right to
return as part of that analysis just

1159
01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:15,120
confirm that that's included in that
policy consideration.

1160
01:28:14,719 --> 01:28:19,199
» Yes.
>> Thank you.

1161
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:25,520
» Any other agenda items that the
community would like to have us consider

1162
01:28:22,159 --> 01:28:29,040
going forward? Okay. Not seeing any. As
always, great discussion. Appreciate

1163
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:32,000
everyone being here. This meeting is
adjourned right on time. Thank you all

1164
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:35,159
for being here.
>> Thank you.

1165
01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:58,239
» Give this to you. So let's let's talk
about

1166
01:28:55,679 --> 01:28:58,239
» Yeah.

1167
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:10,600
That's good.

1168
01:29:12,066 --> 01:29:14,086
» [clears throat]

1169
01:29:22,480 --> 01:29:31,080
» like the same day
last week. I was like, "Wow, let's

1170
01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:41,639
see. Thank you.

1171
01:29:42,639 --> 01:29:46,360
» Okay, now you're on

1172
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:53,679
a little
conversation.

1173
01:29:52,159 --> 01:30:00,600
» So, I'll have that conversation because
that that's a little weird and I know

1174
01:29:55,199 --> 01:30:00,600
there was some other things going on.

1175
01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:09,040
» You want to just give me a call?
>> Yeah, give me a call this afternoon.

1176
01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:12,480
Yeah, call me and let's talk. Yeah,
thanks Paul and congratulations.

1177
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:16,639
» Let's definitely talk.
>> Thank you so much.

1178
01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:20,960
» I think one time there was update but no
East Sanell update and I said something

1179
01:30:18,960 --> 01:30:25,199
live and she didn't
>> No, I know. There's a few like

1180
01:30:23,440 --> 01:30:28,400
» Yeah, we'll talk because there's some
history damage.