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All right. Apologies for the technical difficulties. Um, so the interpreter
didn't hear my earlier [clears throat] comments, so I'll repeat those for the
record and then there'll be translation. >> All right.
So, thank you, Chair Deviti. Um before we begin, we would like to announce
» change.
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» Okay, great. Thank you for that. Uh, are there any reports from our staff
leaison? >> Yes, good evening. Thank you, Chair
Dviti. I'm uh happy to report on a couple updates for the committee. First,
I want to report on the SAFE's team quarter 2 stats. Uh, SAFE responded to
684 calls for service, which is about it's a
little over 8% of all the calls during quarter 2 of 2026. And on average, SAFE
is handling about one out of every 11 calls for service.
Uh recruitment and personnel update. Uh we currently have five recruits in the
police academy. Um we have one is a couple of two of them are scheduled to
graduate very soon this month and then three more in December. Um we have four
openings which right now um we are looking really good because we do have
some people in backgrounds and as you know the background process takes a
while so it's not guaranteed but we are looking at getting fully staff with the
goal being fully staffed in 2027. Um awards and commendations. I do uh I'd
love to I'm glad to report out that in July um two of our officers were honored
by the Mothers Against Drunk Driving um for their dedication in DUI enforcement.
Both officers led the Sanfell Police Department in identifying and arresting
impaired drivers, demonstrating their commitment to keeping the community
safe. Complaints update. So, um this would be
the report out for a year to date or at least as of July 1st. Um we've had 16
complaints. Um the average complaint time is 20 to from intake to completion
is 20 days. Um 11 them 11 of them were procedural complaints, five were conduct
complaints. We have two sustained complaints, two were exonerated, six
unfounded, five not sustained, and one was incomplete. Just a reminder, an
incomplete is where somebody calls and makes the report and then we try to do
follow-up. This could be one way it could be incomplete. We've tried, we
tried, we tried and they no longer wish to cooperate and there's no way that we
can complete the report. It's not enough information.
Um, reminder about the upcoming Spanish Police Academy. It is August 26th
through October 28th. So, we do have a a full um
curriculum. we have a full um class. Um but I just want to remind the the
committee that it is going to be going on um applications already closed and
that is it. Thank you so much. >> Thank you. Thank you, Lieutenant Everly.
I [clears throat] will now like to ask the committee for reports from each
member. I will start with member Camina, please.
» Thank you. >> I'm not sure. Um yes um this um month
and two months actually since we had time off I celebrated Junth on on the
19th of June with some members of the black community. On the 24th I attended
although briefly the voices of canal wonderful event that our member Darlene
and friends put on in the canal. I um dropped by the centerfall high school
truck day and um also did some national night out with neighbors. So that's my
my report for the time. Thank [clears throat] you.
» Thank you very much. Uh let's go to member Newan, please.
» I don't have any report. >> Okay. Thank you, member Rodas.
» I have no reports. >> Thank you. Uh member Ruiz.
Yes, I have I have many but I want to I have a
meeting in July 25 about immigration and uh multicultural
was very important for our community in canal and the other uh we had a national
out with poses canal and canal. Thank you so much for uh everybody coming stay
with us. Thank you. That's it. >> Thank you. Uh member Tokahi,
» just a quick one last two weeks just uh word of mouth inviting a lot of the
community's folks to our meetings. Um especially in the canal. Um,
but I think moving forward I'm going to I'm going to ask the the the committee
if if we can have sort like a a drafted flyer with all the dates of our
remainders, you know, of our meeting remainders. So when we do outreach um
just to pass it on to people um with also word of mouth just we we want to
see we want to see our folks here too you know to come to because it's a
meeting for them. So >> thank you. Thank you sir. Alterate
member locks.
» Oh kiddo um I attended the canal alliance meeting
and that or community community gathering and that was like I
had a lot of good company but I had excellent food. Yes, much excellent food
and that was June 24th. And then I wanted to say that um on uh July 19th
that I wanted to commend um I had called for a safety check for a friend in West
End West End San Rafll and I wanted to commend Sergeant Scott.
Is that how you pronounce his name? Engles
who uh attended this residence with me and
we had to take care of a friend who was found down who is in rehab now. And uh I
like to bring forward good things as well as things that need uh constructive
criticisms for. And I just wanted to say thank you that I'm going to be doing the
Nicole virtual training on September 23rd and December 10th and that the
annual Nicole event this year will be in um November. November. Yeah, November.
Uh in but that will be in Louisville, Kentucky. So, I won't be attending that
one, you know. And um let's see. I think I think that's all for now. I think
there'll be maybe time to comment further when we get into some of the
» the communications and things. Thank you.
» Thank you very much. Alternate member Valdez. Um um I I was absent on a June
meeting, but I went to a meeting similar like uh Darling mentioned and I learned
a lot at that meeting because uh I I could like
I sorry I have to yeah they explain all what the Marine Response Network do and
it's a lot because they they help the families with the that are facing rep
deportation or separation with event and other other
a lot of services and they work with another agencies and nonprofits too.
Also that day I shared the document that staff prepare about fire police
department collaborating with ICE. On June 24 I was part of the oral board
interview for a dispatcher. I also attended the awas frescas with a cup um
bosses the canal and On August 4, I visited some of the
stations for National Night Out. Thank you.
» Thank you. Uh and as for me, um I went and attended uh the event at the
Pickleweed Park for the World Cup soccer final game. It was really nice to be
amongst the community in the canal. Uh just to be around people, just unite
over uh something that big. Um I attended Touch a Truck event. I was at
the coffee with the cup and I noticed that uh Mr. Tokahi and also Newman were
also there and encourage more of us to attend at the future uh coffee with a
cup uh event. I also uh discovered this new organization called Karma Club. Also
have an organization called Cove. They're both uh connected. It's an
afterchool program for kids. It's a drop in. It's free. It's a place for kids to
hang out after school. They get tutoring. They get a place to eat. uh
it's a place to connect uh and it's at free of charge and it's in the Northgate
mall so it was nice to see that space get filled with people coming together
and that will conclude uh my report and uh next I will see if are there any
public comments on the staff and the community leaison
Hello everyone. Nice to see you. Hope you're having a good summer. It was nice
to have a month off. Hope you enjoyed that as well. Um I wanted to say that
the updates are still kind of hard to follow around the complaints and that's
one of the major reasons you all are here. um to look into complaints to see
how the community is feeling about the police department. I heard buried in
there that two were sustained, but we don't know what that means. Like we
don't know, was that a policy violation? Was that a misconduct violation? Um so I
think it makes sense for you all to know what those are when they investigate
themselves and they find that something has been violated or something has been
done that's not in alignment with department values. That's the kind of
thing you all are here um to investigate. And I didn't hear any
questions about that or any clarification on that. I still feel like
that's a laundry list that's hard to write down and hard to follow. And I
know it's posted on the website, but that also is what I call a nothing
sandwich. It doesn't tell you anything. So, please ask questions and get more
more information. I was happy to hear tonight that a lot of you in your
updates did talk about policing related things
um that you attended um because that and if you if your
outreach is to tell people to come to this meeting where y'all haven't done a
lot I don't know what the purpose of that is but I would say if you're
talking to people and inviting them here you can surely bring their concerns here
» because as we've said before a lot of people feel intimidated to come into
city hall to a committee that sits on a dis where there are police in the room
the chief lieutenant um and so bring their concerns here that's what you all
are supposed to be doing thank you oh and one more thing that dropin place for
kids is 13 and up so it's not like little kids it's teenagers I believe
» yes thank you for clarifying Okay.
Okay. Um I will now go to Terresa. Do we have any public comment via Zoom?
» We do not. >> Okay. Uh there's no So I will close
public comment. Um
I'd like to Are there any questions on the draft from minutes from the
committee? I will ask in this order. Member Camino.
No questions. I did review them. >> Thank you. Uh, member Newan,
» no question. >> Member Rodas,
» no questions. >> Member Ruiz,
» no questions. >> Member Tokahi,
» no questions. >> Alternate member locks,
» no questions. >> No questions.
» Thank you. Alternate member Valdez, >> no questions.
» And I have no questions. Um, are there any public comments on the draft
minutes?
I >> from the committee. Yeah. Public
comments on draft minutes. I don't I don't see any. I will go to uh Teresa.
Are there any public comment via Zoom?
» No. >> No. Okay. I will close public comment. I
will ask are there any comments from the committee in this order? Uh member
Camino. >> No comments. Thank you.
» Member Newan. No comment. >> Member Rolas.
» No comments. >> Member Ruiz.
» No comments. >> Member Tokahi.
» No comments. >> Alter. Member Locks.
» My only comments are I have reviewed minutes from a variety of committees
uh in San Rafll and throughout the county. And even though there is this
style of minute taking, I feel that our minutes
don't always reflect what has occurred. And I would like to
have us uh work on that or look at some other um examples of minute uh minutes
that are provided throughout San Rafll and the county. even though we are
following the um the BCC guidelines.
» Thank you. Uh alternate member Valdez. >> No comments.
» And I have no comments. Uh I would like to ask for a motion to accept the
meeting minutes. Uh can I ask for a second?
» Second. Did someone >> I'm sorry.
» I need a motion. So we could Okay. May I ask a question?
» Yes.
» Are there seven regular members present? That was what I was going to ask. And if
any of the alternatives are doing any votes today. Thank you.
» Thank you for that question. So, member locks, you'll be voting in place of
member Alm who's absent today. >> Okay. Thank you for clarifying that. I
would like to ask for a motion to accept the meeting minutes.
» Motion to approve. >> Okay. Can I ask for a second?
» I second. >> Okay. No, let's throw it to member
locks. Thanks for seconding that. U I would like to ask staff for roll call,
please. >> All right, member locks.
» Yes. >> Member Kamina,
» yes. Approved. >> Member Nuen,
» yes. >> Rodas,
» yes. >> Member Ruiz,
» yes. >> Member Tokahi,
» approved. >> And Chair Devidi,
» yes. >> And that motion passes.
» Thank you so much. Uh, I'd like to invite public comments. Are there any
public comments on any matter that's not listed on the agenda?
[clears throat]
Hello. Hello again everyone. Um I just you have in your packet my ongoing list
of things. I feel like this meeting is one and done each time and we don't
circle back um to things that have been left open and I would get a bad
performance review at work if I did that like it feels like things just float off
into the sunset. So there are things that have
come we have talked about. I mean you can read it if you want. I hope you
will. Um police culture is something that has been talked about since the
beginning. Your committee could say to the chief, I want you to go back and
talk to your union and see about doing a survey to find out how your officers
feel about the culture, how they would describe the culture. you could, you're
allowed to ask him to do that. And he's been, he
has offered many times to just ask me or get involved or take action outside of
this meeting. Um, the newly formed Civilian Oversight Commission for the
Sheriff's Office has formed a bunch of ad hoc committees to look into things,
to look at flock camera usage, um, to look at what's going on in the
department, um, so that they can make recommendations in partnership with the
community to make it better for everyone, which is what what you're here
for. Um I did also want to bring attention to the great presentation we
had at the last meeting um from youth transforming justice. Um and to kind of
tell you committee member tookai that I think the comment that you made was
reckless about youth crime spiking and it was also false. I did research after
we left. I think when you have a position of power being on this
committee and you say things like that that aren't true, it's reckless. And if
you have data to prove what you said, because I have data to prove it's false,
please share it with me. >> Thank you.
» Good evening, committee members. Um, I don't have much to say other than if
someone asked me what the pack does, I wouldn't know how to respond to that
because I'm not quite sure what it is you guys do except meet here
um, however often it is that you meet here monthly, I think it is. And but
other than that, it's like what what are you guys doing? And so for me it gets
really frustrating because it just seems like this has become a performative
committee like oh yeah here we are you know accountability collaboration with
the community but I don't know if you guys are really doing that and like
Heidi said um there's a civilian oversight commission which I serve as
vice chair. I'm speaking in my own capacity today but when something gets
brought up to us we form a subcommittee. We might not have all the answers, but
we're going to go find answers. We're going to talk to people. We're going to
talk to subject matter experts and get more information to formulate a either a
recommendation if need be or just a report back to the public that's
bringing concerns to us. And I suggest that you guys utilize that. You know,
maybe all of you don't have time to do all of the work, but in little groups,
you guys could do a lot. Thank you. >> Thank you so much.
I see no further public comment. Uh M Teresa, is there anything on
» We have no comments online. >> Okay. Uh let me just do that. Okay. I
will now close uh public comment. And before we move to regular agenda, let's
break to toggle the interpreters.
Okay, we can proceed.
Okay. >> Okay. Thank you. Okay. Now for the big
attraction here. Um our agenda today is homelessness. And I will ask Teresa to
introduce our uh presenters, please. >> Sure. Good evening, Cheriti and fellow
pack members uh to bring some historical context to the topic this evening. It's
an update on homelessness. As you recall, at the January 10th, 2026 study
session, the committee identified party topics for the year, one of which was
homelessness. This is a followup additionally to the original
presentation that was provided in October of 2024 and again with an update
that was received May 21st of 2025. This evening we have community services
director Daniel Coopermanman and Lyn Murphy mental health liaison here to
present in more detail on the topic. So at this time I'll turn the presentation
over to those folks. Thank you.
» Good evening. Thank you for having us. It's nice to see you. It does not feel
like it was over a year ago that we were here talking about homelessness, but um
nice to see you again.
» [clears throat] >> All right, and we'll jump right into it.
We have a brief presentation and slide deck for you guys tonight. And let's get
going if I can. There we go. Um, so just for a
little background context, uh, in front of you here, we have the 2024 point in
time count. Um, there is a caveat. Obviously, we're in 2026 right now. And
so, um, the county led the 2026 point in time count and we're expecting those
results to come out very shortly, potentially this month, if not next. Um,
so the data is old. Um, but what you see in front of you is a little over a
thousand folks um unsheltered within the county um with over 300 of them
sheltered. Um, the the rest of them living in a place not meant for human
habitation. Um you can see San Rafale has 326 out of those 1090 within the
county and then um also in front of you Nevada's numbers um with the other large
population coming from unincorporated Marin County. Um, as you can see,
there's a decrease in chronically homeless individuals as that's been a
main focus um in the homeless response system, as well as a 32% decrease in
homeless veterans across the county. Um, and so for those who aren't familiar,
the point in time count is sort of the main data point for how we measure
how the homeless response system is doing. Um it's not it's conducted
throughout the country in every county. Um some entities do it every year, but
most entities do it every other year. Um and so that's what led to the 2026
count. Um it's not a perfect count by any means. Uh it's a one it's a snapshot
point in time as it alludes to. Um and so there's different ideologies about
how accurate it is to the total number. um as well as you know the es and flows
throughout the year. So that's that data and then on to um our response within
the city. Many of you already know that uh in
2024, October of 2024, we stood up the sanctioned camping area or the SCA
um on the northern part of Mahome Creek Path. Uh it's right near the Sprouts um
shopping center. Um this is our interim transitional shelter. Um we've got 55
tent cubicles. So they are more like a room than a tent. They do not have any
domed ceilings. So when you walk in your cubicle you can stand upright.
Um onsite we've got 24/7 um security uh site management that
provides um transportation for people who need to go to a service. Um they
transport to um medical appointments, treatment appointments, mental health
appointments. They've been a fantastic partner to us. They've built a lot of
community within the members um living on site. They hold weekly town hall
meetings um which gives people living at the sea the opportunity to bring
concerns to the site management um and it's an opportunity for people to just
gather together in a social way. They have pizza um and they can advocate for
for what they want on site. Um, we also have case management for
everybody who's living in the SCA. That case management, you might remember, is
that it's like the guiding hand um to help folks get all of their documents
ready to help them um move through the process to get into housing.
Um the next step post uh FCA is our interim
shelter at 350 Midale, which Daniel's going to talk about in more detail. Um
we will have uh actual cabins with roofs and doors that lock with electricity,
air conditioning, and heating. Um the schedule is
looking like Well, I'll let Daniel get to that. We're a little behind schedule.
Um the target to open is still fall of
2026. Uh everybody who is at the sanctioned camping area is eligible to
move into the Midell site. Um and people are excited about it. It's um it's
definitely a big step up being able to have a door that locks um and have
power. We'll have office space. Um we'll have a little substation for patrol on
site. Um so that's coming together. Um the plan to transition up to Midale is
to move people in smaller groups. So we're not taking 55 people all at one
time. So we'll move I don't think we've determined the number but let's say 8 to
10 at a time to get people moved up in a in a very thoughtful
organized fashion. Not just okay here we go. Um,
and we will continue to have all of those same services at Meridell. So, the
case management, um, the ability to meet in private with your case manager in a
an office with air conditioning, um, so people aren't listening to your your
private conversations. Um, and we are really looking forward to
that opening up and um, fingers crossed it will be happening very soon.
Um and just a little more overview. So it's 65 tiny homes that will be on site.
Um and so this is made possible um with a city county partnership. Uh the county
contributed to purchase the site at 350 Midale
um which is very exciting. Marin has one of sort of the lower availability of
shelter beds within the Bay Area. Um so it's something that's really needed in
terms of just being able to have some immediate response. Um besides the folks
at the sanctioned camping area, um folks who are on Anderson Drive, I'm sure you
guys have all been by that. Some of those folks will also be participating
in the program. Um, and at that time we will actually be closing down the
Anderson uh drive encampment um as part of the camping ordinance changes that
were made a few months ago at city council. Um we're certainly not the
first uh jurisdiction to to launch a tiny home village. Um but it's very
exciting and a good step forward for folks especially as the winter months
are coming up. So we're very excited. Um, and as Lynn mentioned, this is truly
just focused on a place to recover and provide folks a
path um to permanent housing. So, this is a interm temporary step for folks.
And for a little view, uh, as you can see, here's what the site layout's going
to look like. Um, give or take, you know, some minor changes here. Um, so
you can see uh each one of these little boxes that you see is that those are
actually two tiny homes. So the design of it is basically one large uh shipping
container that's split down the middle. Each unit will be about 70 square feet.
Um, and so on the screen you'll see 65, well actually 66 because one of them
will will be used as an office. Um, we'll have restrooms, showers,
uh, an area for a pet run, ADA access. Um, and this building in the middle will
be program space, office space, uh, community center. We're, um, in the
midst of designing sort of the interior layout of that, um, which the folks at
RCA are excited about being able to have those because currently at the SCA that
is not a possibility. Um and then finally once everyone transitions uh
bringing the Mahome path back to its intended use um is sort of that final
step of that transition.
And I know Lieutenant Everly already talked a little bit about the safety,
but we're going to do a little bit of a deeper dive here. Um, this data is from
January 2026 through June of 2026. Um,
we we've I enjoy working with them quite a
bit. We share an office space and we have a fair amount of overlap. So, it's
been really great working with them. Um, they've contacted,37
individuals um who identified as unhoused.
Um, let's see here. 95 were referred to
outside services. Uh, 95 of their contacts. So, an outside service might
be Helenvine Detox. It might be um Marin Treatment Center. It could be um taking
them to see their case manager. um they're they're very flexible and as
long as they are going to a staffed service could be an AA meeting um they
can transport. So [snorts] their goal is really to determine what the need is and
help them get that need met. um diversions from the emergency
emergency department, the jail, and an ambulance ride was at 168, which is
really pretty remarkable. Um if you think about um pre-safe, if somebody um
had I mean a spider bite, I see a lot of spider bites in my travels um and they
were taken to the emergency department. it's not really the best use of our
resources. Instead, the safe team could take them to the Ritter Clinic where
they could be seen right in town um and get the medication that they need and
fill that prescription at Walgreens across the street. Um and they responded
to 95 suicidal subject calls in those six months.
And that's it for our presentation tonight. Um, and we're here for any
questions or comments. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. Thank you for your
presentation. Thanks Q for coming back. Please come back more often. We love
hearing from you guys. Appreciate what you guys do. Um, I would like to uh see
if there's any questions. So right now it's just the time for questions uh on
the presentation. I will start with member Camina.
» Welcome. >> You gota wait your turn, girl.
» No. >> Okay, member Camina.
» Awkward that way. >> Thank you for being here. Thank you for
the work that you do. Um I I think you answered one of my questions, which will
happen to the the the camp, not the Anderson Drive, but the other camp after
the Mary Dale is completed. >> They're closing it.
» Yeah. So it will get returned back to its intended use. So a walking bike
path. >> Okay. And then um one of the questions I
have which unfortunately comes up in the newspaper more than the good programs
are the issue the incidents of violence in the Anderson area. And I'm wondering
if you how often you see that incidents of
violence.
The incidents that you've seen in the newspaper are really the incidents that
are the biggest on our radar as well. So on a day-to-day basis, we're not seeing
the types of things that you know you read about in the headlines. those were
pretty um isolated incidents and I think it just goes to show that unsanctioned
unorganized campsites are not good for anybody
um and that the sanctioned camping area has not experienced that type of um the
violence and so if anything it's I would like it to be a reason why don't we have
more of these sanctioned camping areas because it's the outcomes are much
better. >> Thank you so much.
» Thank you. I will go to member new please.
» Well, I just have a question like so the people
uh like you take the registrations and people had to fill a form before moving
to the shelters and you have uh like the the list of people like manage in the
orders of people. So you have the name of everything is in order, right? So
that's good. I just I just wonder. Yeah. Yes. So um we have um people agree
to a code of conduct. Um they do an intake form. There's paperwork that they
sign in order to be enrolled in coordinated entry, which is the
countyy's system to get people into housing. Um, so it's a it's a fair
amount of paperwork and that's what the case manager is. That's their job to
help them to understand what it is they're signing. For some people,
signing a piece of paper is like, why am I signing this? What am I giving away?
Um, so the case manager explains what it is they're actually
signing. Uh, and they don't have to sign it in some cases. So, but for the code
of conduct, if you want to be in the the Meridale site, you do have to sign the
code of conduct. >> I'll also add all those forms are
available on our website under the homelessness page. Um, so they are
available for public consumption if you ever want to take a look.
» What's that website? It's the city of San Rafale. Uh, and then you just click
the tab for homelessness. >> Okay. Thank you. Um,
» I will when you're done. >> Yeah.
» I will go to a member Rodas. >> Yeah. I want to say thank you guys for
your presentation, for being here. Um, my question is how are individuals
chosen for the Maryale shelter and what happens to those who are denied a spa?
» Uh, that's a really good question. I think, you know,
maybe it's not a misconception, but Marielle is not going to end
homelessness in Sanfell or the county by any means, right? It's certainly a right
step that is necessary um and is going to be beneficial. Um part of our
agreement with the county is that over the life of the interim shelter, um that
only 70 individuals are going to be served. So, I presented earlier 326 and
70. You can see there's a little gap there. Um so for folks and the way
they're chosen is basically we receive state funding to stand up the sanctioned
camp um the sanctioned camping area and so we have a basically an outreach list
and so we worked with the county on that um on top of that we just applied for
subsequent funding. So we basically have a select list based on you know outreach
that Lynn did and other um service providers. Um and so that's how folks
are going to be selected. >> And then and then um are there are there
other options? So somebody's not accepted into into Midell. Is is there
somewhere else we can offer them a place to stay?
We have our shelter um at 190 Mil Street that's run by Homewardbound. Um
it's not enough beds. So that is the alternative. Homewardbound does a really
good job of trying to move people from Jonathan's place
um up to Neato to their new beginnings campus which is a longer term shelter.
Um so we have more openings available on an emergency basis but the demand far
exceeds the capacity. So it's it's definitely not the solution that we
would like to have. Right. Okay. And then one last question.
Um, what happens when the uh the SCA shelter by the snake path is closed? I'm
going to make an assumption that people are probably still going to continue to
come back. Is that path going to be patrolled or is there going to be some
enforcement about anti-housing there? Um, or anti, you know, setups.
» Encampments. Yes. >> Yeah. So the whole path under our
current camping ordinance has a is not zoned for camping. So there's currently
no camping. So once it's sort of restored um it will be addressed as any
other encampment that pops up um within the city.
» Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. Uh member Ruiz.
Um, I have a question about the person living in Anderson Street no more or
they are still living in inerson.
» Thanks. They are still living on Anderson Drive.
» Once Midale is open then camping will not be allowed on Anderson Drive.
» Okay. But what going to happen with them?
» That's That's a good question. I mean, we can we always look for other options.
So, if that's family reunification, we have a program where people can if
they have somebody that lives say in another state or another part of
California, we can pay for family reunification.
Um, but a lot of times people, they want to stay here if they've been here for a
long time. They can, you know, this is home. Um,
so we we try to be creative and look at other options. So, is there a way that
we could find um a shared living environment where you could rent out a
room? Um, and it's it can be a challenge, but
we'll look at every possible option. Residential treatment, um,
inhome caregiving. So, it's it's going to be a challenge. No doubt.
» And just to add on, some of the folks on Anderson will um move into the Midell
Interm Shelter. >> Okay. Okay. Thank you so much for your
answer. >> Thank you. Uh member Tokahi,
» I have one [clears throat] regarding the safety and my questions will al also
relate to an earlier report from one of the staff. Um I think he mentioned
something about the safe team handles one out of 11 call.
» My concern is who's handled the other 10 because I I know there's only one safe
team and there's not so many of them. I also understand there's no other
um outreach team like I know the downtown street team is out. Um, also
the care team is out. They're not around anymore. So, I don't know who else is
doing outreach regarding the safety in one person.
» Yeah. Um, so I'm out there. Um, but the other 10 calls are handled by patrol.
So, if it's a call for service, SAFE is responding to
one out of 11. So patrol, let's say it's um a welf call
for a welfare check, but somebody is swinging a baseball bat. So safe would
not go to that call because there's the potential for violence. So that would be
handled by patrol. So we're we're not looking at all of the
calls that um safe that would qualify as a safe call. Does that make sense? So
we're just looking at overall calls for service.
So some of them didn't qualify for >> Right. Right. I'm I I'm just worried
about >> I can jump in and hope not for you that
the police >> the
statistic given one in 111. So the number of calls that the safety team
handled in quarter 2 was 684. That equates that 684 number equates to one
out of every 11 total calls for service that come into the police department.
And as Lynn was alluding to, that doesn't necessarily mean all of those
are safe calls. It means that they're handling one out of every 11 calls for
service that normally would go to a police officer that do qualify as a safe
team. So, it was just to try to frame the productivity of the team and how
much that they're handling. On average, as been reported annually, they're
handling a little over 8% of all calls for service.
» Okay. >> Did that clarify? Yeah.
» Okay. Uh, thank you. Thank you. I'll go to now alternate member locks.
I just want Thank you. It was excellent. Uh, one of your slides I would like for
you to clarify the description. It said only 70 unique.
What do you mean by that?
» I'll take that one. Um, so that means 70 individuals. So there's 65 units. So
only 65 folks will be on site at one time. Over the life of the interimm
shelter, only 70 individuals from that curated list that I mentioned will be in
the program over time.
That's a clarification of the word unique.
» Yeah, just individual. Yeah. >> Okay.
» Yeah. >> Okay. Thank you, Alter Member Valdez.
» My question has have been answered. So, thank you.
» Okay. Thank you. Uh thank you again. Uh you mentioned there's going to be a
patrol um someone patrol at the Midell. Is that an SRPD? Is that a private
security? Can you elaborate on who's this patrol individual?
Um, we're looking at a substation like Pickleweed Park has a substation. Uh,
Northgate Mall had a an office where patrol could go and write reports. They
could have their lunch there if they're in the Terinda um beat. So, with
Northgate Mall being demolished and rebuilt, um, we're going to have a
similar type of office at Midell. >> Thank you. Um that may have answered my
next question because some of the neighborhood around the Midell Fernwood
they raised concern around homeless people and out being about I'm just
sharing what I'm hearing. Uh you have any comment around that their concerns
around this issue safety in regards to safety?
» Um sure. Yes. And we've certainly heard their concerns now since uh
October of last year. So, um I think through a series of uh community
meetings and a ton of engagement um since October of last year, we've tried
to work with the community as best we can to, you know, make it one a place
that everyone is comfortable. So, folks who are in the program, folks who are
living in the neighborhood or businesses,
um our doors have remained open for communication. And so sort of where we
landed is trying to meet everyone's needs as best as possible while
understanding there's a lot of unique needs um from
different populations, right? And so I think once the program gets going, the
comfortability and sort of responsiveness will make everyone feel a
little more comfortable. Um, but the unknown is unknown at this point as
we're still talking about a project that's not right not here at the moment.
Thank you. I have two more questions. Uh, my other question is around the
business community. One of the things that I hear from them is like, you know,
again, I'm playing maybe business devil's ad. One of the things they say
is like we have a lot of nonprofits in downtown San Rafale area um that they're
saying like doesn't this attract more homeless to downtown San Rafale? So, how
would you respond to something like that?
» That just to [clears throat] clarify that having nonprofits downtown attracts
more people >> that cater to the homeless demographic
brings in more homeless to downtown San Rafale.
» Um, yeah, I certainly hear that a lot from
community members and downtown businesses. I think
downtowns, every downtown in America attracts people, right? Period. Point
blank. regardless of what's there. You go to any sort of urban core downtown
and that's where the majority of the city goes for shopping, for food, for
doctors, whatever it might be. Um, I think it's a little bit of a
misconception. You know, we have two nonprofits downtown and I don't know the
total number of businesses downtown, but I'm guessing that's, you know, it's a
very small percentage, right? So, I think regardless of where those
nonprofits are located, the sort of attraction to downtown that's there for
folks who are unsheltered and for folks who are sheltered, it's getting their
needs met is where, you know, the transit center is, right? Like it's
everything is right there for San Rafll. Um, and so it's not a unique issue to
San Rafll, but I don't think it's the main driver um by any means.
» Thank you very much for answering that. That helps. And my final question is
there was a resolution passed to make encampment illegal in certain part of
San Rafale. How has been your experience around enforcing that?
Uh we haven't really been enforcing it as of yet because Midell has not yet
opened. So it's business as usual. We have our ranger who's out in the open
space. We have our footbeat team who's out regularly um marking um posting
sites that have been set up that are in places that um does not allow camping.
» Thank you very much. Um I will now like to open up for public comments in
regards to this presentation.
» Uh let's save it for the last part. We're going to have comments at the end.
So I just want to keep the rolling but I will come back to you. Thank you.
» Good evening everyone. Um so yeah um 65 tiny homes in Maryale. Good. Um
tightening up the um
criminalization of the camping ordinance. Not so good. We know that
after the 65 based on point in time 2024 numbers um it said 326 but I think 214
206 were actually unhoused. The rest were in shelter. There are going to be
quite a bit of people still on the street. And so with the tightening of
the ordinance, the camping ordinance, and people not sure where to go,
um if they get more like if they get ticketed more, that's
going to add barriers to get uh for them to get out of homelessness. Um I will
give credit because they have not fully criminalized homelessness like other
cities in Marin have. There are still legal places for people to camp. Um, but
we don't know where they are. And, um, I think it would be it's a fair concern,
it's a fair question to ask the city, um, where can people camp because if
they don't know where to camp, they are probably going to get a ticket or be
told to move along every couple days. It's going to just exasperate
everything, add barriers to homelessness if they get ticketed. And um I think a
fair question and a fair uh recommendation to the city is uh asking
the city where you guys could ask the city of where people can legally camp.
Thank you. >> Thank you.
[snorts]
» Good evening. [clears throat] Good evening again. Um I just want to
touch on a couple points. um committee committee member wrote us um asked about
and it was kind of almost like trying to get reassurance that there will be more
patrol on Mahon Creek once the the sanctioned encampment is closed and and
you know like Jason pointed out there would be 65 people in the uh Midale tiny
home village but there's a lot more people that are going to be unhoused and
that have no place to go um Uh Lyn Murphy touched on it a little bit
when she talked about how uh the shelter through Homewardbound um is, you know,
there's rarely any better or I don't think she used rarely. I think she kind
of under uh uh stated that there's really no
availability. It's really hard to get it to the shelter. And not only that, they
if you have a higher level of care needs, if you're incontinent
um and other higher level of care, you don't qualify to be in the shelter. So,
you have a lot of unhoused folks that not only have trauma, but that have
unmet medical needs that don't even qualify to be in the shelter. So, when
you ask about the reassurance of patrolling in this area, think about
people that really have nowhere else to go. And yes, there is an ordinance.
There is a existing ordinance that limits where people can go. But I think
this would be a great opportunity to look at that ordinance, look at the
data, and really see if this committee could maybe come up with some
recommendations that might alleviate some of the suffering of the people on
the streets from that ordinance. Thank you.
» Thank you. >> Can I clarify?
» Um, yeah. Can we do that at this point? >> Yeah. Member member Rodus likes to
clarify. So, we'll give an opportunity to speak if you Heidi, if you won't
mind. Can you get a minute? Go ahead, sir.
» Thank you. Yeah, just my my question wasn't really um asking for reassurance
that there'd be more patrol. It would be It was more so along the lines of what
would happen to the people that chose to come back, whether it be ticketed or
not. I wasn't looking for reassurance that there'd be more officers out there.
» Thank you, sir. And uh Heidi, please go ahead.
» Yeah, ditto to everything that Jason and Sarah said and thanks for the
clarification because I also heard are the homeless going to be policed
appropriately um in your comment. I think um as has been highlighted, there
aren't places to go and we're going to be left with hundreds of people. It's
great that the tiny homes are going to be transitional housing. Um it's a
little concerning that there's going to be a patrol substation there. Um, when
we say that's going to make everyone feel safer, I don't think it's going to
make the people living in the tiny homes feel safer. Um, I also think
overpleasing poor people um, isn't going to help at all. Because if we make it
illegal, people are not living outside. Most of the people who have to live
outside because they have no other options are not doing that because they
think it's awesome to live outside. They have trauma. They have families that
maybe can't also have trauma from them that can't accept them back in. It's
heartbreaking to see a family member pick up their unhoused child for like a
Sunday meal and then bring them back because they just can't live with that
person based on the trauma and the mental health issues that they have. And
so I encourage us to look for other solutions to see homeless people in
their full humanity. Their moms and dads, brothers, sisters, friends,
artists, plumbers, carpenters, they're all the people that you're friends with
um who just happen to be in really bad circumstances and they don't just need a
home, they need support when they're in a home after having lived outside. They
need wraparound services. Um, probably not. I wouldn't put police services on
that list. Um, I still agree with some of the conversation that's been had here
around the support and care of unhoused people isn't really a policing issue or
a law enforcement issue. Um, when certain things happen, it may become
that, but I don't want us to start from the place that it is that. Thank you.
» Thank you.
Hello. Hi everybody. Um, I know I came in a little bit late, but I just wanted
to kind of say thank you for even allowing a conversation to happen
because I think whenever you try to not have conversations about this topic is
when it can actually get out of hand, so to speak. So, um, it's important and I
appreciate the fact that the conversation is happening. So, it's I
think it's a good thing whenever you have conversations and and meetings and
allow community members and other members of the committees to express and
ask questions that maybe they didn't know before. So, that's all I want to
say. Thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you for coming.
[clears throat] >> How y'all doing?
Okay. First thing I want to address is
uh the escros that that's being sold. Those are [clears throat] my properties
and and I ask you, you know, nicely, please don't sell this one. Please don't
sell this one. And it happens. Um I just found out, [clears throat] well, I've
I've already found out that I have imminent domain authority.
Okay. So, especially when it comes to finances, I'm supposed to be here at all
of these meetings and I'm supposed to head the meetings, but I don't want to
do that. [clears throat] I don't want to do that because I won't
be here at all of them. >> Yeah.
So um as far as um Anderson is concerned,
yeah, it is pretty rowdy over there, you know, and um I got jumped three time
twice. I had one fight and then I got jumped twice for asking about my money.
So they still playing the game. The game is illegal.
Okay. So [clears throat] and it's also racist. So
the modern day um slavery act ended January no February this year. So when I
go out there and I know [clears throat] I own all the all the all not most of
them all them all all because I I inherited code one. Code one runs all
offices but I get discriminated against the whole time. They take two weeks off
of discrimination out of 14 years. Been homeless since the will got stolen out
the house with my neighbor. So, [clears throat]
» thank you, sir. >> That being said, I'll see you guys
later. Okay. And >> sir, can you please wrap up? Thank you.
Your time is up, sir. I do need some help with uh [clears throat] with my air
inheritance and my paperwork. So, we'll we'll touch with
» Thank you. Thank you, sir. Thank you. >> Thank you.
» Thank you. >> Okay. Um we'll now go to uh any comments
via Zoom. >> We have no online comments.
» Okay. All right. Uh I don't see any more comments. So we'll close public comments
and uh let's go to our recommendation from this
presentation that should be included in the annual report to the city council.
» I will start with member Camina. >> Uh chair.
» Yes. I want to give you time for your comment. I didn't forget you had a
comment to my >> Yes. And I need them to be present.
» Okay. My apologies. I ke I will keep my promise. Why don't you go first, please?
Because Okay.
» Um, Director Murphy, I really appreciate that you're having pointed out
the the level of violence versus what's reported. Um,
and I would like to comment that my comment is for thanking you. It's to the
chair and to the people that are present in the audience.
The comments about safety and the comments about participation in
community. Uh of the committee members I have
walked Anderson Street. Of the committee members I have gone
into the park may I call it you know. Yeah. the camping that SCA I have gone
in there >> and to hear the concerns of people about
safety and so forth. >> It's not as something is happening every
moment because you have the staff there. You have the case managers. This
particular area is will be safe just like the one over at you know the other
the S SCA S. And I just wanted to have that stated
out loud. It's not like you're walking past people and they're jumping on you
as we kind of just heard. Um that doesn't happen in that fashion. And
there are members in the community who have been homeless and who are no longer
homeless that can also address that issue. People are people and that's how
we should be treating each other first and foremost without the assumption that
you're going to be harmed. You know, it's, you know, I've walked those
streets and talked to those people in both sites. Thank you.
» Thank you. Thank you. Um, member Camina, >> um, I failed to ask one question, so if
I might do that, um, before I give you my comments, which is there's no street
team anymore. Is there why? And is it possible to get it back? I thought it
was great. >> Uh, they shut down their business
um, late last year. So, downtown streets does not exist.
» So sad. Well, and my comments are um First, thank you again for being here.
But, you know, it's by the grace of God or a gene, um, any of us could be in the
situation of homelessness. And I certainly didn't mean to imply that this
was a violent nature. I was just curious about what was happening.
» Yes. >> I am so I have seen you walking down
Anderson Drive talking with people and I so much appreciate that you guys are
here with the amount I'm going to cry. with the amount of compassion that you
have and the understanding and if it weren't for your gift that you're giving
to our community, I think it would be very different. So, I thank you. Thank
you. >> Thank you. You guys want to hang up? We
have going to shower you with some compliments. So, I know if if you're in
a hurry, please go. But if you don't mind, maybe stick around. Um, member
Newan, >> there's no comment. Thank you very much
for your presentation. Okay. Member Rodas,
» no comment, but thank you. >> Member Ruiz,
» no comment. >> Member Tokahi,
um I just wanted to say kudos to you and and the safe team and the one safe team
that's still doing the all the work that you guys are doing. Uh I know it's not
easy. I've been there. I've done the work. Um burned out a few times, you
know, after three years. I'm like, you know, I can't do it. Um it's not easy
but kudos to you and the one safe team that has been doing a lot of work and
also some of the the case managers some of the other agencies like St. Vincent
uh we have Rita the Rita house uh Rita center um and other agencies that are
still doing the work. I know the work that that all of you guys have done is a
lot but we all know that it's not going to solve the issue. you know, we wish
there's more shelters, uh, more beds open at some other places.
I don't know. Like, can we find funding somewhere and build more, you know,
because we know like the folks once we we close an encampment like we're going
to ask that questions like where those folks going to go, you know,
maybe the city can or maybe with us, we can work with the city. We can work
together to find spaces There are folks who also live in their
cars. That's their means of transportation. Like they have all their
stuff in their cars. That's home for them. Maybe we can give them a pass. I
don't know. And I'll work with the city folks. Give them a pass so they can I
don't know, give them a placard so they can park somewhere or or allocate
an area for them to park with their vehicles, you know. Um I don't know.
this I know there's still a lot of work to do but I also want to appreciate
everything that everyone has put in you know it's it's a long journey and once
we see someone take that that next steps and get housed and get a job you know
like we've seen some of them here and all um kudos to you guys with sticking
with the program and all and taking that next steps
» so thank Thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you. Okay. And then uh
alternate member Valdez. >> Um just thank you for your presentation
and also like they mention all the work that you do. I think it makes a big
difference for the homeless population. >> Okay. For me, I really have more um
praise than recommendation. You guys provide a corrective experience out in
the world. I've seen what you guys do. You and I have met with the business
community. You're so available every time I call you so to can meet with
someone just to educate them on what we do. side. I just want to thank you for
your time. Um, the word unique has been used today. So, I'll use it again. You
serve a unique role because you wear a uniform. You don't have a weapon. Your
weapon is your relationship is your word, your loyalty. It's those
relationships you develop with people. So, it's you do have a unique role here.
Um, and you know, myself, I used to serve in a 5150 unit. And that I see
when people would get discharged and they would keep ending coming back to
the inatient psych hospital. And the ones that had the most efficacy were the
ones who went to a short-term house and eventually were placed in a long-term
home. I had the most efficate rate of people finding roots, finding home. And
once when you get to know their story, you develop empathy and you realize like
it's hard. It's hard, you know, living on the street. You really applaud them
for the, you know, how much stamina they have. Um, so I appreciate what you guys
do. Um I I don't have any more comments. I think I think with that note if
there's no other things we can adjourn, I think. Right. All right. Thank you.
» Thank you. >> Thank you.