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Today is August 20th. This is a meeting
of the 350 Midell affordable housing

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project subcommittee. Often we have our
subcommittees meet upstairs, but because

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we knew we'd have a lot of folks here,
we knew we'd be more comfortable in the

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chamber. So, it's a little bit more
formal than we have for some committees,

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but uh it definitely serves what we're
going to be doing today. So, I'm calling

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the meeting to order. As we uh before we
start any meeting, we like open time for

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public expression. This is anything not
on today's agenda. you have the

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opportunity to share with the
subcommittee if you'd like to do that.

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Now is your opportunity to do so. If
it's not on the agenda,

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okay, if it's not about anything that
we're talking about and you're welcome,

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but not required to say your name and
what part of Sanfell you're in and you

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have two minutes.

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» Good evening. I'm Gregory Andrew from
Sarfell Meadows and I want to talk about

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the u make a comment about the timing of
the posting of this meeting which is not

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on the agenda and that is to just let
you know that

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uh to not have posted it on Friday when
meetings are normally posted which we

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were looking for and to not get that
posting until Monday is a tactic that

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does not build trust with us in the
neighborhood. Several of us commented,

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"Why would they wait?" They knew this
meeting was coming. It wasn't because

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it's summer and there seemed to have
been a deliberate decision to postpone

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the noticeifica notification of this
meeting. Now, you did it certainly

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within uh what you're allowed to do
within the Brown Act, but I want to let

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you know that that approach is not a
good way to build trust with us who have

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been engaged with you and following this
and looking to get more confidence and

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more trust from you about your whole
approach to uh this particular project.

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So, that's my comment. Thank you. I'm so
glad they were able to make it even with

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the less than ideal from your
perspective um noticing. Anyone else

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like to comment? Not seeing any other
public comment. Uh we will get right

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into it because we have a big agenda
even though it looks like it's only one

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item. So we will be discussing initial
summary and discussion of responses for

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RFP which is request for proposals for
the development of new affordable

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housing at 350 Maryale Road. And I'm
going to turn it over to looks like

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Alexis and Greg. Oh, director Hinkle,
the whole team. Okay.

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Thank you. Good evening, mayor and
council member. I'm Alexis Caption,

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housing manager for the city, and I'm
here with assistant director Greg Miner

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and director Micah Hingle to present
responses to the request for proposals

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or RFP for the development of affordable
housing at 350 Midale Road.

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The purpose of this study session is to
provide a summary of the top responses

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to the RFP and to receive feedback on
the application of the selection

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criteria to inform staff's
recommendation to the full city council.

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We'll start with brief background on the
city's housing landscape. We'll review

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the 350 Midel acquisition and grant
requirements, provide an overview of the

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RFP, and outline next steps. Following
staff's presentation, we will hand it

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off to the development teams to provide
brief presentations on their respective

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proposals.

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So, a little bit of background on where
we are with housing in Sanfell and

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Marin. are in a constrained housing
market in part because as you can see in

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this graph while the population of San
Rafll continued to grow over the last

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several several decades construction
dwindled.

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Limited supply has contributed to a lack
of affordable housing and resulted in

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Marin being the second most expensive
metropolitan area in the United States

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with the third highest median rent in
California.

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Increases in housing costs have far
outpaced wage growth. So that more more

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than four in 10 households in Marin
qualify as low income. And the folks who

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are low income are the same people that
provide critical services and make our

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community run.
For example, based on their average

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salaries in 2025, home health aids fall
into the extremely lowincome bracket.

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Preschool teachers are very low income
and paramedics are low income.

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Not having affordable housing has qu uh
enough affordable housing has

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consequences including homelessness,
overcrowding and displacement,

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rent burden and severe rent burden,
meaning households are spending more

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than 30% or more than 50% of their
income on housing. And they may have to

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choose between paying rent and other
necessities such as food and medication.

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Not enough affordable housing in Marin
contributes to workforce shortages and

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means that workers have to commute from
out of county, contributing to pollution

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and environmental impacts.
We are also seeing a distortion of the

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county's population pyramid shown here
with a deficit of working age adults and

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young families.
And finally, we continue to see racial

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disparities across multiple indicators
with black and Latino households

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experiencing higher levels of rent
burden and lower rates of home

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ownership. For example,
understanding these impacts and that

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affordable housing is important for the
economic and cultural vitality of San

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Rafale, the city council adopted the
following housing and homelessness

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priorities in their three-year strategic
plan, including to facilitate new

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housing development, assist in ensuring
housing stability, support a housing

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first model, and implement strategies
that reduce homelessness. The project

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that we're about to discuss is grounded
in these established priorities. I'll

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now hand it off to Greg to talk about
350 Midale.

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» All right. Good evening. Um, so in
further in in furtherance of the the

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goals adopted by city council with
respect to housing back in November, as

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the the subcommittee members are are
well aware, the city acquired 350 Midale

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Road, a 2.5 acre property um shown here
on the slide from a satellite view

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perspective. Um, thanks to funding from
the county of Marin. Uh, the site itself

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was last used as an adult school. You
can see three white structures in a

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surface parking lot. Uh it's bordered on
the east by the 101 freeway. Uh to the

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north or above this picture, you have
the smart station nearby and then you

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have residential uses to the to the west
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commercial to the south.
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came as part of a grant agreement uh
entered into between the city and

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county. And with respect to Oh, I'm
sorry. I glossed over the fact that this

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is a a two-phase project as part of the
the uh collaboration with the county.

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The first phase being an interim shelter
for unhoused individuals and the second

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phase being what we're discussing uh
tonight, the permanent affordable

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housing development of at least 80
units. Um so in terms of the grant

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agreements requirements for this phase
of the project, uh the grant agreement

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requires that the city must entitle the
site for at least 80 housing units by

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the end of June 2028. It also requires
that the incomes of the tenants may not

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exceed 80% of the area median median
income. And just for a little

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perspective, we provided what that 80%
of AMI means for a fourperson household

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here on the slide.
And in terms of consequences, should the

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city fail to entitle 80 units, the city
would be liable for $100,000 for every

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unit not entitled beyond u short of the
80 units.

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So, as a first step towards realizing
this vision, staff released a request

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for proposals this spring to identify a
developing an affordable housing

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developer that could help realize this
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The RFP asked uh respondents to provide
a number of

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um components as part of their proposal,
including an overview of their proposal,

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such as their their vision, the site
design, the affordability levels,

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services plan, and their development
timeline. Additionally, information was

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requested about their teams and
qualifications, the experience of their

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organization, and those working on the
project, followed by information on

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their project financials, such as a
pro-forma, information on their

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pre-development financing strategy,
operating budget, proposed purchase or

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ground lease. And finally, information
was requested regarding the financial

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capacity of each developing team s and
which required financial statements from

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their most recent calendar or fiscal
year as well as letters from the

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developers lenders attesting to their
capacity to undertake this project. Um

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once the responses were received, a
panel of city and county staff as well

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as a representative of the chamber of
commerce independently reviewed and

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scored the proposals received based on
the criteria that you see outlined on

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the screen.
Um in terms of the responses received,

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there was uh there was a total of five
responses altogether. The scoring across

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all panel members identified three
strong uh candidates in EA, Eden and

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Saha.
Across the while there were some uh

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unique components to each proposal there
was a lot of similarities as well which

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was actually a good thing in the sense
that all three provided commitments to

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covering pre-development costs. All
three identified funding strategies that

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utilize state grants and federal tax
credits. They all provided for community

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engagement as part of their proposal.
They all provided a timeline that met

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the city and county's grant agreements
of entitling at least 80 units by the

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end of June 2028. They all identified
services for future residents. They all

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contain a mixture of unit types,
including threebedroom units for

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families, and they all propose leasing
the property for 99 years for $1

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annually. Um, all al all all that said,
there were a couple differences as I

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alluded to a moment ago, including the
number of units being proposed, the

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amount of parking provided, and
neighborhood improvements.

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And those uh differences and some of
those similarities are outlined here in

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this uh summary table. So for example,
EAH um of the three uh candidates is

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proposing the lowest number of units and
so understandably also the the shortest

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structure, a three-story structure. Um
they are providing they also are

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offering to provide the lowest average
affordability level of 45% and the

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lowest per unit cost. Um, in contrast,
Eden is proposing the uh greatest number

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of housing units as well as the highest
structure. Um, they're also proposing

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the largest amount of parking spaces per
unit. And then they're and the most

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costly per unit um proposal. In terms of
affordability level, Eden and Saha are

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proposing the same average affordability
level. Um lastly, Saha is proposing uh a

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level of units and stories that falls in
between the EAH and Eden proposals um

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while providing the the lowest number of
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Um so in the end Eden did score the
highest um by the the average of panel

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scores but they were followed closely by
EAH and SAHA and ultimately all three

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are qualified to sati satisfy the city
county's grant requirements and we feel

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lucky to have such strong respondents to
our RFP. Um, at the same time, Eden's

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proposal offers the most housing, the
most parking, and it included

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neighborhood improvements such as
facilitating a permanent pedestrian

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bicycle path or or
an official pedestrian and bicycle path

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between uh the 350 Midale site and the
Midale community in the Smart Station.

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Um, and when we considered
both the need for more housing, as

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Alexis described, the rare opportunity
that we have before us with this uh

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sizable site, and the fact that the
city's going to invest time and

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resources, whether or not we entitle 80
units or more than 80 units, these are

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some of the compelling factors that led
the panel to um score Eden the highest.

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Um I will wrap up with just highlighting
some next steps. This is this slide just

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kind of provides like a a general um
overview of where

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the journey that we're going to be um
commencing in terms of uh the steps

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needed to actually finalizing uh the
housing and and leasing the site. The

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top half of this timeline identifies
milestones related to the permanent

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affordable housing project and below are
milestones related to the interim

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shelter. We're still in the very first
milestone, the top left and today marks

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really just the beginning of that
process of selecting a developer. Um

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hopefully uh after today's discussion
staff will be in a position to present a

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recommendation to the full council to
enter into an exclusive negotiating

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agreement and we'll be able to come to
terms with the developer and uh move

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along this this process. And then for
those interested in staying um a breast

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of this project and all the developments
that uh including the next council

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meeting, this is the project web page
here. And there's also the QR code that

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you can uh use to locate this web page.
You can sign up for email updates um and

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news posts related to this. So if you're
interested in staying up to date um this

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is the the place to go. So with that, if
there's any more questions, if there are

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any questions for staff, we're happy to
answer that. Um if not, as Alexis

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mentioned, the the three developer teams
are ready to present and um we can hand

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it off to the presenters.
>> And before [clears throat] we end on

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that and trans transfer over the
development teams, one point of

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clarification want to really make
tonight is this is really not selecting

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a project. Um, in essence, if you talk
to these development teams, they can do

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all three of these projects in
independently, but really that's their

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vision approach that when based on the
input of our RFP, that's what they

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basically called out themselves. But
really tonight is just to select the

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developer that'll actually be the city's
partner in this. And then the project

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will actually be better defined through
the process of due diligence and uh

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community input along with um the um uh
exclusive negotiated rights agreement.

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There's a lot of other factors need to
come play. That's why we're really on

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the early first phases of this, but this
is just an indication of really what the

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developers um team saw within this site
for themselves. So just want to make

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that point of clarification.
>> Thank you. Any questions?

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» Yeah, go ahead.
Just a couple quick questions. Um,

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it doesn't say in here anywhere, but I
understand that all of these units will

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be rental units and none of these are
anticipated to be sold. Is that correct?

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» Yes, that is correct.
>> Okay. Building on that then um when you

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did your financial analysis the
proformas was it focused just on the

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capital outlay necessary to get the
building built or was there also a sort

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of operating proforma for the decades to
come.

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» I mean my recollection has included both
the construction and ongoing operations

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as well as part as part of their
proposals.

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» Very good. Thank you.
>> Thank you. I don't have any additional

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questions so we'll go right to it. So
the next part is a presentation by

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affordable housing developers
and it looks like you have slides for

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them and I understand it. So
>> can I just a point of process so each

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fellow hi will have how much time have
you allocated each

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applicant
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» I believe they're prepared to provide a
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available for questions.
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in our staff report just based on
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to the subcommittee if you there's a
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» No no this is great and so we'll hear
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each. We'll have questions and then
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and comments and then there might be
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questions. So
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guess I'll I'll just start quickly. Um,
so good evening. Uh, my name is Nor

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Cauer and I had the opportunity to lead
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EAH was really excited for the
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again. Uh we own and operate 20
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Maryale. So um even just the dozens of
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the last you know 55 plus years are
really great for us to tap into should

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we be able to move forward with with the
city on this. Um with me in the audience

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I have our EAh development director
Daniel Ry um and our architects Sema

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Muscar and Justin Wong from Studio
Tsquare right here if um you had any

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questions for them.
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So, uh, because the city, um, did a
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you a lot in the staff report about
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going to jump right into, um, I had five
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differentiate EAH and kind of reaffirm
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proposed.
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acknowledges the Loscalinus Valley
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running through the center of the site.
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family oriented community with this
constraint in mind um that fits the

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scale of the surrounding neighborhood at
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goes as far as it can and leverage uh
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sustainability, speed, open space and
innovation. Um we didn't want to start

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with a less timely potential option of
the sanitary district relinquishing that

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easement without doing you know some
additional due diligence with you all as

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a city partner and figuring out what
they might want to do with that. So we

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really just started with that as a
constraint in mind knowing that there's

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some flexibility should that change. Um
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environmental approach. Uh we'd be
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execution. Um plus the potential for
adaptive reuse of some of the existing

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structures should the city desire it. Um
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developments in other parts of the Bay
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do have some experience with that. Um,
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less noise, less waste, and less time
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me to my next point here.
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cost of the three. Uh, tonight we
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criteria for four viable funding paths
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funded as quickly as possible or within
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and plus to [clears throat] increase our
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better interest rate and access to some
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be able to to offer that high level of
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particular types of funds um at the cost
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potential for modular. Um in our
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support from the San Francisco
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accelerator fund. Um that fund requires
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development cost per unit. Um and it
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interest rate um than the market. And
they also do have um a great modular

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program that we can access. Um so in
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effectively to have four viable
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design with the neighborhood character
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the values and priorities of the city
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units, um, had a density and parking
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health care partner should, um, one
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be desired by the city. Um, and then
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sustainability and a lot of open space.
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that cost savings but we left our design
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we refine with the city as Mr. Hinkle
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connection to the smart train and buses
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to serve households at an average of 45%
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under 100,000 a year for a family of
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need to um prioritize state funding that
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um that can provide uh subsidies and
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state funds for lower-income households.
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knowledge regarding improvements to the
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and to the bus station um and to
downtown because of our prior

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partnership with the city um and with
the transit agencies. Uh we were the

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partner for the affordable housing and
sustainable communities program grant on

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a Northgate mall project that did not
move forward. Um but we do have all of

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the the working knowledge and research
and plans that we were going to be

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submitting for that application which
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bringing all that with us. Um and also
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ensure we understand how you'd like to
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right infrastructure improvement funds
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funding be allowed to to do that. Um so
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then I don't know if you want us to do
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» We'll just keep going through.
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» Okay. Can you make that? Oh, cool.
Thanks. So, good evening. Um, I'm Tammy

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Strauss from Eden Housing. We have a few
more slides than our uh the previous

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presenter, so I might talk a little
faster. Tonight, we're sharing Eden's

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vision for 350 Male Road. Our proposal
is rooted in affordability, family

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housing, transit access, community
engagement, and partnership, and long

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long-term stewardship.

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Eden has been addressing California's
affordable housing housing crisis for

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since 1968. Our strength is that we're
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long-term owner, operator, property
manager, and resident service provider.

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That means we remain accountable to the
community well beyond construction.

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Uh we have a strong and growing presence
in in Marin County and in San Raphael.

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Our recent work uh in San Raphael is our
Vivivalon and Kasa Canal which uh was

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designed by Van Meter Williams Pollock
who's here with us again tonight. Oakill

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in Marin City and Tamalco Homes and
Point Rays. Um our local experience

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helps us understand the context
partnerships and expectations in Marin

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County and in San Raphael.
Okay. Uh, this project at a glance will

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include 111 homes exceeding the city's
80 unit requirement. The homes will

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serve households up to 60% of AMI with
an average affordability of 49%. The

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proposal will meet the June 30th 28
entitlement deadline and the uh RTDC uh

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was mentioned RTDC was pretty high, but
it reflects robust community engagement,

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parking, and the proposed public and
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We've assembled a team with the
experience needed to deliver a complex a

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complex affordable housing project. Eden
brings affordable housing devel

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development, financing, ownership and
operations and resident services

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experience. Van meter Williams Pollock
brings strong affordable housing and

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mid-rise design exper expertise. and our
engagement team engaged fora brings

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community engagement capacity grounded
in equity, listening and local t

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context. Together our team is built for
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I will hand it over to Sarah.
Thank you Tammy. Thank you all for

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having us. My name is Sarah Vicaro. I'm
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our team here tonight at engage.
Oh, thank you.

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Um at engage fora we believe that design
is better with diverse voices at the

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table. Engage for specializes in leading
thoughtful and authentic community

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engagement that is not just
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community and future residents residents
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approach will be to listen early while
also being transparent about the project

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goals and non-negotiables.
Identify community priorities and

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concerns and partner with the Eden and
Ban meter Williams Pollock team to allow

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the community's input to inform the
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Our engagement approach is rooted in
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co-creation. Phases two and three in the
middle of this diagram are where we will

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spend most of our time engaging with the
project neighbors, the broader San

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Raphael community, and potential future
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one at the beginning is where we will
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community through one-on-one interviews.
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accountability. This is where we will
report back to the community on how

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their specific input has been integrated
into the design and celebrate that the

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project is stronger because of it. Our
engagement process will be closely

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coordinated with the project team and
the city um to ensure the timeline um to

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to to meet the entitlements timeline and
to ensure that feedback can be

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meaningfully informed at specific design
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Our team has developed a highly varied
toolkit of events and exercises to

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quickly gain an understanding of the
community's values to build trust with

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them and to explore design options to
create a project vision together that

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strengthens the design. We anticipate
using multiple ways to reach people, not

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just the traditional public meetings,
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popups at local city events, community
workshops, all with inclusive and

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multilingual materials as needed. The
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and make the participation easily
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» Thanks, Rick Williams with Ban Meter
Williams Pollock. Uh I've been a

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resident of San Rafale since uh pretty
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and uh have lived here in the downtown
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number of developments which we feel uh
respond to the community input that

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we've received on those variety of
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canal area and throughout Marine County.
We've also developed a number of

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streetscape projects that expand the
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housing into pedestrian safety, bicycle
access to transit to neighborhood

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activities. And so that is another key
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And we've done that on a number of
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vision is really a family focused
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taking advantage of the local services
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opportunities for the residents and this
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more families the opportunity to succeed
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The overall area site plan is a one of
simple circulation. We respect and

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provide good access for the uh for the
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as well as bike access and pedestrian
access. Uh we looked at multiple

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projects, multiple different scenarios.
There's many different uh opportunities

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here and we'll listen to the community
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its entirety.
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the community really a very clear
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is. Here's a image on Maryale showing
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and relates to the adjacent neighborhood
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uh into the neighborhood to Las Flores
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buildings just kind of peak over the top
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the street the canal from it.
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sensitive to the uh sensitivity to the
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freeway. And so we gave an initial image
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And then one of the key issues was that
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bicycle and pedestrian improvement
access working very closely with the

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neighborhood and adjacent uh residents
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all the way to San Pedro Road.
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sustainability, resilience, and
wellness. So that so the solar system

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will support a resilience hub. The bio
swala will will provide the clean storm

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water management and bike storage and
repair stations will also provide

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improvements and provide access both to
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rather than repeat myself. Uh long-term
deed restrictions will preserve the

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affordability for at least 99 years. The
design is going to prioritize

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accessibility and inclusive design
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units, amenities, and circulation.

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Uh we're also have our own in-house
resident services provider. Eden's res

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resident services model model is
designed to support stability and

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community connection. Services may
include on-site coordination, community

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building activities, referrals,
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coordination with property management.
The goal is not to provide just housing,

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but to support residents need to thrive.
Uh here we go. Financing our favorite.

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We have deep experience assembling
layered affordable housing financing.

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That's kind of Lasagna right there. This
111 unit concept was designed to support

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competitive funding applications while
meeting the city's entitlement uh

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timeline. Our early feasibility work
will confirm a SQA path, an entitlement

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path, design review, agency
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conditions, and partnership structure.
The schedule again is in structured to

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meet the city's requirement to be
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Um, entitlements, financing, design, and
construction sequencing will need to be

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carefully coordinated.
Um, and lastly, thank you. Thank you for

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the opportunity to be here and to
present our vision. And we're ready to

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deliver a feasible community responsive
affordable housing development at 350

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Mary Road.
>> Thank you. And I know we're holding

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questions, but Tammy, I have to ask.
Yes.

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» So, I really appreciate the outreach and
you spent quite a bit of time talking

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about that. Sarah did. And yet, or also
you showed an image of what a building

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would look like. So, I'm trying to
figure out how those two mesh when

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you're taking in input. And yet, there's
and I know that design changes, but

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maybe you could speak to that because
I'm sure other people in the room are

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» um I can give you an example. How about
that?

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» That would be great. in another
community, we presented a fivestory

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building um as our initial concept and
through community engagement and all of

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the workshops and things that we did, we
found out that the community really

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preferred a four-story building. So,
what we did um through that feedback, we

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redesigned the building, made it wider,
not taller, actually um designed for

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more units, but a shorter building. So
that's it's just an initial concept and

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we refine that through all of the
community engagement that we do.

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» Thank you. That help that's very
helpful. Thank you so much.

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» And anything else?
>> Uh there might be others but I I just

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had to reconcile that. So thank you.
That was Yeah.

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» Thank you. [snorts]

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Okay. Good evening, mayor, council
member, staff, community members. Thank

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you for the opportunity to be here. I'm
Eve Stewart. I'm the senior vice

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president uh for real estate development
with Saha. Um and also with our team

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here tonight,
we have April Ty. And April and I will

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be sharing the presentation. And then
our other team members naan my senior

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00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:33,040
project manager Katie Akerly with our
architect Chris Hess and Jonathan Stern

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are also here uh for questions later on.
So quickly about SA uh we were founded

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over 60 years ago. We've developed
approximately 80 properties across seven

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counties and in addition to our
development activity we also provide

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property management services and robust
on-site resident services. We run a

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00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:56,240
volunteer program that brings in over
250 community volunteers annually to

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00:35:54,000 --> 00:36:00,079
support our residents and strengthen our
connections in the broader community.

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Because we're a long-term operator,
we're always looking back to learn from

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what we've done, where we've been
successful, where we can improve. And

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we're always looking forward to make
sure that the new communities we develop

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are ready for future challenges and that
they will be beautiful, thriving

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communities for decades to come. To do
this, we collaborate with local experts.

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We invest in community engagement and we
work with our design team to iterate to

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make sure that we are meeting community
needs and can achieve broad-based

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support.

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We uh do have a strong presence in the
North Bay. Uh we are not in Marin

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currently. Um but we have several
projects in Napa and Soma. Um and we

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have local Sanfell expertise on our
team. Um, and we've started to connect

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00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:53,680
with key stakeholders and have received
support and endorsements from the Ritter

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00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:56,800
Center and Canal Alliance. Um, I'm going
to pass it over to April to talk a

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00:36:55,839 --> 00:36:59,800
little bit more about community
engagement.

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Thank you, Eve, and good evening, Mayor
Kate and Council Member Bushy, um, and

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city staff. I'm April Tally, and I'll be
supporting SAHA's community engagement

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efforts for this project. I've worked on
community engagement for large complex

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developments including Northgate Mall
here in San Rafale and the Patrol

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redevelopment in San Francisco. As the
city's project director for Northgate, I

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served as the primary point of contact
for community related questions and

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communications, working alongside the
developer to keep residents informed and

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00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:41,760
ensure the city's engagement
requirements were met. The experience

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that experience reinforced for me that
engagement is most effective when it

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starts early while there is still real
opportunity to shape the project. That's

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why our team plans to begin as soon as
the ENA is executed. We'll work closely

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with the city and the uh the community
partners, nearby residents and

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businesses to communicate early, listen
to concerns, and offer different ways to

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participate. The proposed unit count and
parking ratio are a starting point and

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we're open to refining both based on the
input from the city and the community.

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Thank you.

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That's just a quick summary of the
points April made. Um so getting into

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this opportunity um our team of course
uh looked very closely at the site and

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there were several uh core values core
principles that were informing our

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approach. So of course we want to
achieve or exceed the city housing goals

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for the site in terms of number of units
build an appropriate scale for the

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neighborhood. incorporate universal
design principles so that we have an

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inclusive community for folks with a
range of um abilities and challenges

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from mobility to uh sensory and neurode
divergent challenges. Um we are working

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to enhance the urban design and street
presence along Midale, improve smart

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station connectivity and secure state
funds for transit improvements. I'll

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talk a little bit more about that in a
minute. Um, and of course we want to

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ensure the long-term climate resilience
of our building and this community. Uh,

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and also establish a financable pathway
to getting this project done.

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And importantly, as we looked at the
site, so this is a massing study. It's

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not a design. It just gives a sense of
what could fit on the site and the

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scale. Um so here you can see that we
are

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initially thinking about a fourstory
design that would have um

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bridge the scale of the neighborhood.
There's you know different densities

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there. So while this does add density to
the neighborhood, it is um still kind of

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a gentle like ramping um and not um we
feel too out of scale with what's

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already built there. Um we have
primarily two and threebedroom

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apartments in the scheme so that we can
serve families um households with young

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children or extended um families that
might have elders also living with them.

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The um parking approach is to do surface
parking and that offers advantages

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including cost effectiveness
um and providing a buffer for the

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neighbors to the south as well as the
freeway. um the 101 there to the east.

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Our bedroom count is 185 bedrooms in
this scheme. Um and that's sometimes a

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helpful metric to consider. Um the
building itself of course will have a

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lobby, spacious community and
multi-purpose spaces as well as smaller

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activity and meeting spaces. All upper
floors will be served by an elevator.

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And we will have on-site property
management, an on-site

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resident representative, so a staff
person who lives on site uh with

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maintenance and resident services
offices. And again, inclusive and

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universal design features will be
incorporated throughout.

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Um we've also taken an approach of
orienting views toward the creek um and

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preserving existing trees to emphasize
connections with the existing ecosystem.

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bringing in these bofilic features that
enhance wellness um and also provide an

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00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:32,400
important buffer for flood control and
storm water management.

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We envision an active street frontage.
Um and very importantly, we're focused

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00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:40,960
on active transportation connections and
improvements to get this neighborhood

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even more conveniently linked to the
smart station. It is so very close. Uh

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but there currently isn't um a formal
way to expediently access the station

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without, you know, going out and around.
Um,

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next slide is the same site plan, but
uh, we wanted to emphasize the

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sustainability features and the thinking
that that we're bringing to this

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project. And again, this is just the
early initial thoughts and we're really

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looking forward to engaging with the
community and stakeholders to get their

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input. But we envision an all-electric
building that was energy efficient with

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solar PV array to offset as much of our
energy use as possible with on-site

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generation. Uh we have opportunities to
use panelized construction andor mass

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00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:29,280
frame building technologies to reduce
construction waste and also speed up

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construction schedule. Uh superior
indoor air quality will be a goal uh

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00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:38,079
especially to address the potential
impacts of being close to the 101 and to

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00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:44,000
protect against future smoke events.
We've increased increased tree cover for

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00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:48,160
passive cooling, promoting biodiversity,
um preserving site permeability, and

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contributing to again improved mental
health and well-being as studies have

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00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:58,160
shown when you have access to nature. Um
and then back to this connection with um

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00:42:55,599 --> 00:43:03,359
the the active transportation network to
facilitate biking, walking, scootering,

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00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:08,160
ways to get around uh that don't involve
driving alone in your car essentially.

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00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:13,040
Um and of course the Disaster resilience
and preparedness is something that's top

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00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:16,319
of mind for our operations um where we
operate housing and we have a lot of

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elders, seniors, people with special
needs um and we want to be there to

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00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:27,520
support them um when the worst happens.
Um so some of the features that we will

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00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:32,720
work to include um is a micro grid and
that essentially provides an opportunity

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00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:38,880
to power the building through either a
battery system or a portable generator

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00:43:36,079 --> 00:43:43,839
to ensure key functions um in the event
of prolonged power outage or other

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00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:47,119
shelter in place um requirements. And
that allows both our building residents

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as well as other folks in the
neighborhood to have a um a place of

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00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:58,880
refuge where you can charge your phones,
store medication, get relief if it's

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very hot out, um receive essential
supplies, and also receive emotional

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support.
Now, we didn't do a design of the

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00:44:05,119 --> 00:44:10,400
building because again, it's a it's a
massing study, but we have included

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00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:15,440
these precedent images just to give a
sense of what we're thinking in terms of

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architectural style, uh, materials,
colors, and again, this um the scale of

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00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:23,720
the building and how it relates to the
site and the open space.

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our uh financing package and and as we
heard includes um tax credits, taxes and

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00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:38,240
bonds and this state program which we
fondly refer to as ASIC, the affordable

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00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:43,839
housing and sustainable communities.
It's not the only way to fund this

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00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:49,920
project, but um the exciting part about
ASIC is it comes with housing funds and

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00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:54,480
also transportation grant funds. Um SAHA
has been very successful using this

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program. We've built six communities so
far with this money from San Jose to um

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00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:06,000
uh to to Napa and with Berkeley and
Oakland in between. And so in addition

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to the housing funds, you can include a
package um for things like station

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connectivity, bike ped improvements, uh
transit passes. Up in the corner, you

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00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:22,079
can see some of the improvements we were
able to do in San Jose. And it will also

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fund uh fund um community events, you
know, such as street closures um and

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festivals.
>> And thank you, Eve. Do you have any

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00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:30,800
closing comments? Because
>> my time is up.

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» I heard I heard a little dinging over
there. That [laughter]

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» Well, in conclusion, I will just say
that we are ready to get started. Uh we

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00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:42,880
would be delighted to work with you and
the community to see this project

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through. [clears throat] Excuse me. Um
and we can certainly meet uh the

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00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:51,760
timelines that the city has established.
Thank you, Eid. Thank you, April. Thank

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you.
>> So, I know I have some questions. I

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00:45:53,200 --> 00:46:00,880
think my questions are broad, but I will
hand it over to you first, but I just

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00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:04,240
want staff to speak to a moment. I was
thinking, and both Council Member Bushy

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00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:06,720
and I were on the planning commission
prior to being on the council, so we've

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00:46:05,359 --> 00:46:10,000
been in land use for a very, very long
time, and this seems like a really

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00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:14,800
unusual situation. I don't think I've
ever been on the receiving side of

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00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:19,119
hearing three incredible presentations.
So could you just speak to that because

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it it does feel unusual and just to
maybe I don't know put that in context

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for the community.
>> I I don't mind taking that as a startup

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00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:30,480
and really for my colleagues if you want
to add to that it it really is a unique

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00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:35,040
opportunity for Sanfell. I'm actually
excited to bring this forward and you

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00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:40,400
can see what a hard like I'll pick all
three. Um the the key is finding

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00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:43,839
location sites and lining up. And I do
think we really do have to look at

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really our land assets a little closer
to see which ones we can evaluate over

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00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:53,119
time. It is one of our targeted ends for
our our housing program to really look

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00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:57,760
at city- owned sites really looking at
for surplus lands for affordable housing

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00:46:55,359 --> 00:47:01,440
development. I think I was most pleased
with the level and quality of developers

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00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:06,160
who put on uh this project and I think
it's really key about the size. We have

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00:47:04,079 --> 00:47:09,839
a lot of smaller portion parcels within
our that are on our own asset, but the

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00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:15,119
ability to assemble a larger scale
project near transit I think is really

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00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:18,480
why we got a nice robust kind of um put
for for the development affordable

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00:47:16,720 --> 00:47:22,880
housing development community. Uh you
got to remember this is the the top

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00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:28,880
three. We actually had five. Um so um
and I anticipate really evaluating other

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00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:33,599
potential projects to bring in this
level of developers if not others um in

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00:47:31,839 --> 00:47:38,800
the future. So, this here's really kind
of a unique opportunity, but and I said,

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00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:44,480
it really is a um a real opportunity to
try to bring forward needed housing to

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00:47:41,359 --> 00:47:48,560
this community. These developers uh are
been successful across the Bay Area and

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00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:52,960
even some have not done projects we're
in and they want to be and I'm I'd like

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00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:56,880
to try to find opportunities to broaden
our uh opportunities for multiple

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00:47:55,440 --> 00:48:00,079
developers to bring housing to this
community.

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00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:04,400
So just to follow up, so because the
city owns the site, we're having this

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00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:08,480
conversation because it could be a
private developer who wants to build

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00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:12,480
affordable housing and none of this
would be daylighted. They would come

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00:48:10,319 --> 00:48:16,800
forward and say this is we've chosen. So
again, for the community, this is a very

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00:48:14,319 --> 00:48:20,800
unusual situation, right? Am I correct?
Because the city owns the property.

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» Correct. If this was private property,
in many ways it'd be simpler because

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00:48:22,319 --> 00:48:28,240
developers would simply say, "I'm
entitled to XYZ under these different

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00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:32,960
state laws." But because it's public
property, we have a little bit more um

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00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:37,359
flexibility in terms of shaping the
project. At the same time, we've agreed

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00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:42,559
to certain terms with the the county,
the the 80 units for example, and then

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00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:47,359
we've certain um citywide goals that
Alexis highlighted. So those are sort of

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00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:51,599
shaping the conversation, but um it's
much broader than say a private

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00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:56,640
development um proposal.
>> And I would imagine that there are other

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00:48:53,760 --> 00:49:00,480
cities that have this possibility of um
that owns a parcel and that they don't

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00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:04,640
have a public conversation that staff
goes and selects and then they just

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00:49:01,839 --> 00:49:09,200
bring it to the council for approval. So
again, we're adding something to the

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process that's a little different. So
okay, because that's it feels different

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00:49:10,720 --> 00:49:15,520
to me. So, you want to start off with
questions and I have a bunch of broad

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ones, but nothing specific.
>> Uh, well, I want to concentrate on one

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00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:25,520
particular area and uh just to um uh
follow up on um your comments. Yes, it

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feels like we're on the other side of
the table um in making um these

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00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:39,520
decisions. Um my questions um are
focusing on the long term. Um and I

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00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:47,680
noticed we're we're approving a 99-year
lease. Um, and I'm wondering if is there

626
00:49:43,359 --> 00:49:52,960
a general like highle plan for the 99
years? Um, is the plan that we're going

627
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:59,920
to build whatever structure is built now
will be repaired and maintained for 99

628
00:49:55,760 --> 00:50:06,559
years. Um, will there be a rebuilding at
some point? What is the um what is the

629
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:12,640
the long-term concept? And then to
compare the different developers, my

630
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:17,520
question would be how long is each
develop how what is the longest duration

631
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:22,640
of any functioning site that they've
built to to compare them? How long have

632
00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:28,400
they been functioning?
So th that's that's where my question

633
00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:30,319
is. Um do should we have staff take a a
crack at

634
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:33,359
» I think I can try to respond to the
first part of the question then the

635
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:38,079
developing teams can probably answer
more specifically. Um, so I believe that

636
00:50:36,319 --> 00:50:42,240
level th those kinds of details and
those terms are what the city and the

637
00:50:40,319 --> 00:50:46,480
developer team would finalize as part of
their development disposition agreement

638
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:51,119
the next phase once we entered into the
exclusive negotiating agreement and

639
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:55,119
that's what we would later bring back to
council to approve

640
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:58,559
» in terms of like the the details for the
long-term vision of the project

641
00:50:56,720 --> 00:51:04,319
long-term operations rather.
>> Okay. Thank you.

642
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:06,319
Did you want to hear how
>> everyone runs up? I'm not sure how we're

643
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:09,680
gonna do this.
>> Yeah, I guess [laughter]

644
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:13,040
» it's a little clunky. Sorry. As I said,
that's why I wanted to level set this in

645
00:51:11,359 --> 00:51:17,040
the beginning. That's an unusual
situation.

646
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:23,359
» Um, well, so EA has been in San Rafll
since 1968. Um, and we own and operate

647
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:28,640
all of the developments that we've built
and keep them affordable in perpetuity.

648
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:33,200
Um, so when they come time for
rehabilitation or maintenance, we'll,

649
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:38,079
you know, um, go through the the typical
rehab process, maybe refinance, get some

650
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:41,040
tax credits, and upkeep the property.
Um, I think the latest one in Sanfell

651
00:51:39,599 --> 00:51:46,160
was Centertown. We just rehabbed that
and looks great. Um, and to my

652
00:51:44,079 --> 00:51:50,800
knowledge,
>> so I'm I don't think you quite exactly

653
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:54,720
answered my question.
>> What is the longest duration of a

654
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:58,720
functioning site that you've had? not
how long you've been here.

655
00:51:56,000 --> 00:52:03,920
» Okay. Uh I think our first one came
online in 1972

656
00:52:01,839 --> 00:52:08,079
and we still own it.
>> It's in Marin somewhere. I believe it's

657
00:52:05,839 --> 00:52:14,240
in Sano. I have to check. We We have a
lot. Our portfolio just in Marin is over

658
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:18,960
2,000 units and we've got over 14,000 in
our portfolio. So, but we our first

659
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,480
property we do still own it was from the
early 70s.

660
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:24,599
» Thank you.
>> Yeah.

661
00:52:21,599 --> 00:52:24,599
» Thanks.

662
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:30,640
Thank you.
>> Hello, I'm Dixie Bell, senior director

663
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:36,640
of real estate development for Eden
Housing. Our first born on property was

664
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:42,720
born in 1968 uh which was the founding
of um Eden. It's uh affectionately known

665
00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:48,880
as JL around our office which is
Josephine Lodge uh lum and it's uh

666
00:52:45,839 --> 00:52:55,680
located in Hayward. Uh it's been uh
rehabbed through the years three times.

667
00:52:52,319 --> 00:53:02,160
So, um, we like our other colleagues
here, um, are very strong arm. We don't

668
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:06,400
sell. That's it. We just don't. We're
nonprofit developer and we'll go down

669
00:53:04,240 --> 00:53:11,359
with the property as well. There are
times in which we've had to feed our own

670
00:53:08,720 --> 00:53:17,359
properties and uh where the properties
can't sustain uh some sort of damage or

671
00:53:14,319 --> 00:53:23,440
some sort of uh the operations doesn't
uh doesn't sustain uh the operations of

672
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:28,480
it. some Yes. And we have to write those
checks because the most important thing

673
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:35,119
is that our residents are served with
clean housing. It's uh and and we're

674
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:40,400
there. We are there. We have we have fed
properties for many years until we could

675
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:45,680
find a state funding program that could
help uh renew the properties. So,

676
00:53:43,839 --> 00:53:48,960
» and just for clarity, when you say you
fed properties, you mean that you used

677
00:53:48,240 --> 00:53:51,760
corporate funds?
>> We used corporate funds

678
00:53:50,319 --> 00:53:55,880
» to Thank you.
>> Absolutely.

679
00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:55,880
» Thank you, Dixie.

680
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:05,520
» Thank you. So, uh Saha similar vintage
our original buildings uh were the first

681
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:09,200
building was completed in 1968. The
vision at the time was to do five

682
00:54:07,359 --> 00:54:12,559
buildings that with one that was
slightly larger that would serve as a

683
00:54:11,119 --> 00:54:19,520
hub. everyone could come and have
services and activities and then four

684
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:23,680
smaller um properties in the vicinity um
were kind of feeding into that. Um those

685
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:28,079
were all located in Oakland. They were
originally financed through HUD and so

686
00:54:26,079 --> 00:54:33,599
you know they were simple modest design
but they have held up remarkably well.

687
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:39,200
They have been continuously operating
and tenited and beloved by residents.

688
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:42,319
Um, and they have been renovated and
some of them were renovated about 10

689
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:48,559
years ago and are still looking
beautiful. And we're sort of finishing

690
00:54:44,319 --> 00:54:50,880
out the final two that um, well actually
there were originally five and then

691
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:54,800
there were about three more that came
along in the early 70s and so we're

692
00:54:52,800 --> 00:55:00,880
finishing out rehabs on those. So some
of those buildings have persisted as

693
00:54:57,839 --> 00:55:06,000
very nice communities for over 50 years
without having a major capital um,

694
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:08,960
investment. they've been things have
been, you know, the units get turned

695
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:12,640
every time someone moves out. We've
replaced boilers, we've replaced roofs,

696
00:55:11,119 --> 00:55:17,680
we've done painting, but in terms of
doing a fullscale large renovation that

697
00:55:15,359 --> 00:55:23,680
requires people to move out. Um, in in
some cases, buildings have been um very

698
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:27,040
functional and comfortable for 50 years.
>> Thank you.

699
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:30,319
» Thank you.
>> That's your one. Okay. Well, I have a I

700
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:34,480
have a couple questions and they're for
the staff just more um understanding. I

701
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:37,920
think it applies to all three of these
incredible proposals. So, one of the

702
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:42,319
applicants talked about the sanitary
district easement. So, is that something

703
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:45,280
that um I'm just wondering how that's
going to manifest in this project

704
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:50,960
because we do have time to work [snorts]
with them.

705
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:56,319
Yeah, that's really um it's part of the
the selection of the the development

706
00:55:53,520 --> 00:56:01,200
partner is to understand really the due
diligence standpoint or the I guess the

707
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:04,319
parameters for the development of the
project moving forward. You know, there

708
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:08,000
is an opportunity to modify that
easement. There is or is not. It really

709
00:56:06,240 --> 00:56:12,960
depends on the ability of the the
district and desire, but it's also to

710
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:16,480
look at the utility pieces, design uh
approaches, neighborhood feedback that

711
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:20,799
really will shape a lot of the project
and their approach. Um, but I, as I

712
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:25,839
said, I if there's any specific
questions related to it seems like, you

713
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:29,200
know, um, the designers actually
acknowledge that and like they was part

714
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:34,880
of the package information that we put
out in the RFP. So, it really is just

715
00:56:31,599 --> 00:56:39,200
kind of project approach. Um but it does
require you know coordination and we

716
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:43,839
actually um have been coordinating with
philos valley sanation district on

717
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:47,680
multiple projects um resolving various
easements. Pione is also another factor

718
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:52,640
for this site. So it's just really just
kind of recognizing the development

719
00:56:49,359 --> 00:56:55,680
constraints. Um we are actively engaged
in this because at the end of the day we

720
00:56:54,319 --> 00:57:00,880
want to deliver housing in this
community. So we are working with that

721
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:04,160
end but um it's really is up to other
decision makers and then constraints

722
00:57:02,720 --> 00:57:08,960
that come about. So
>> okay so in the RFP um there was a

723
00:57:07,839 --> 00:57:13,040
discussion about neighborhood
improvements. So I'm curious the staff

724
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:18,079
was looking at that you don't have to go
through the rubric that you used but was

725
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:23,359
that part of it that so be transit or
sorry access to transit or pedestrian or

726
00:57:21,359 --> 00:57:28,720
whatever that might be. Was that already
one of the criteria?

727
00:57:26,319 --> 00:57:33,760
» Um, no. It wasn't explicitly requested,
but it it fell under I I think the the

728
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:37,839
proposal scoring criteria.
>> Okay.

729
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:44,000
» And as through the the last 10 months or
so, one of the themes was what from the

730
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:48,559
adjacent community was are there any
opportunities for benefits to the larger

731
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:54,240
neighborhood beyond just the provision
of housing? and uh Eden proactively

732
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:58,160
identified formalizing that smart
pathway the pathway to the smart station

733
00:57:56,079 --> 00:58:02,240
and should that the city are I
understand our public works department

734
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:08,559
is are is pursuing that independently so
if um when when uh one of the follow-up

735
00:58:06,079 --> 00:58:15,760
questions was okay if the city is able
to address that um is there are you is

736
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:20,720
even capable of um improving bicycle and
pedestrian improvements along Maryale um

737
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:24,640
the other direction and they they
responded yes. Um we have heard from

738
00:58:23,119 --> 00:58:29,359
some of the the other teams that they're
familiar with the same some of the same

739
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:31,760
funding sources. Um but it was that uh
Eden proactively identified that in

740
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:35,440
their proposal
>> and that's something when you did the

741
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:42,160
ENA that could also be talked about with
Okay Zen. Okay. So there was um people

742
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:46,079
some of the developers um alluded to
unit mix about threebedroom two-bedroom

743
00:58:44,799 --> 00:58:49,760
was that again another part of the
criteria. Is there something that the

744
00:58:47,599 --> 00:58:55,760
city with your expertise that we want
this many threebedroom, this many two,

745
00:58:51,599 --> 00:59:00,319
this many one or studio or was it more
let's see what comes forward and what

746
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:04,240
came forward does it match with what you
all are thinking we should be asking

747
00:59:01,839 --> 00:59:10,079
for.
Yes. So, we weren't prescriptive in um

748
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:15,040
the number of bedrooms uh that we were
looking for, but we did direct um

749
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:18,480
applicants in our sort of workshop
before, you know, when the RFP was

750
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:23,280
released before submissions were
received um to look at the needs

751
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:28,720
identified in our housing element needs
assessment. And one of those needs is

752
00:59:25,839 --> 00:59:35,280
rental housing for larger families. And
so, um, the top three proposals were,

753
00:59:32,799 --> 00:59:38,720
um, responsive to working in those
three-bedroom units. Okay.

754
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:42,079
» And so, that was a that was also a
factor, a positive factor.

755
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:46,720
» Okay. So, that was included. So, on a
related, is it your expertise, and maybe

756
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:50,240
the applicants would know better, do the
number of units ever influence the

757
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:53,920
ability to get financing? I mean, you're
talking about how this works for what we

758
00:59:52,559 --> 00:59:57,599
have identified as needing our
community, but you got to be able to

759
00:59:55,839 --> 01:00:02,480
build the thing. So is there ever a
correlation to the unit mix and types of

760
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:04,640
financing or not really? and my I don't
know if that's a question you can answer

761
01:00:03,839 --> 01:00:08,640
or the
>> so the the best people to answer that

762
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:13,440
question are over here but I will tell
you that um yes my understanding is for

763
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:17,839
instance like the ASIC opportunity that
was mentioned there's a certain sweet

764
01:00:15,359 --> 01:00:22,480
spot based on the last nine rounds of of
you know the number of units and so um

765
01:00:19,839 --> 01:00:27,440
our developers certainly were looking at
um you know plugandplay what's what's

766
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:30,880
going to work right um but yes again
they can definitely expand

767
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:35,760
» I saw nodding heads okay it seems that
way But again trying to look at all the

768
01:00:32,799 --> 01:00:41,760
different aspects of this. Um another
question is around sustainability

769
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:45,520
features. So um s was talking a lot
about the sustainability. Was that

770
01:00:43,119 --> 01:00:49,680
another part of the again I know the RF
is written a certain way but I'm curious

771
01:00:47,599 --> 01:00:54,240
how staff responded to that because
sustainability is important to the city

772
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:58,079
of Sanfal. We have it in our goals and
objectives. So I'm curious how that

773
01:00:55,760 --> 01:01:02,079
plays out in these applications. Um I
believe that was one of the similarities

774
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:06,720
across the three proposals. There might
be distinct approaches unique to each.

775
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:09,920
Um but you I feel like you're
encountering some of the ch same

776
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:14,400
challenges the review panel encountered
that we had three strong proposals that

777
01:01:11,599 --> 01:01:19,119
had some significant similarities.
>> So again just also understanding that

778
01:01:16,799 --> 01:01:24,880
when we get when it gets to the ENA
those are also things that can be talked

779
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:29,200
about as it's important to the city.
Okay.

780
01:01:26,559 --> 01:01:33,119
And talked about that and then director
Engle I think you alluded to this

781
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:38,480
because Saha has done a lot of work in
the region um but hasn't done anything

782
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:43,280
in Marin and I'm curious from a staff
standpoint from a development standpoint

783
01:01:41,599 --> 01:01:46,240
how does that I mean how do you react to
that having folks that have been here a

784
01:01:44,799 --> 01:01:48,880
very long time that know Samal to
someone who's new but also been

785
01:01:47,599 --> 01:01:53,200
successful and I know it's part of that
grappling of the review panel but I'm

786
01:01:50,319 --> 01:01:56,880
I'm curious about that
>> um I think like for all housing

787
01:01:54,720 --> 01:02:00,880
development we're looking for who can
deliver a project. Um, you know, we've

788
01:01:59,119 --> 01:02:05,440
gone through this whole proposals for
many years for Sanfell of entitlement

789
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:09,920
but not constructed. So, for me,
bringing in um

790
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:13,920
seasoned development groups that
actually can build and have housing

791
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:18,640
occupied, that's that's really what
we're looking for. So, um, both, you

792
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:23,119
know, existing uh, partners who have
been working Marin and Center for a long

793
01:02:20,319 --> 01:02:26,640
time, they've continuously done, but
even for outside groups, we welcome them

794
01:02:24,799 --> 01:02:31,440
all. Um really what's the bigger
question is what's what's Marin County

795
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:34,960
need? We need all housing. Um okay. And
really trying to find ways to get this

796
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:38,880
particularly affordable housing. So
that's why this you know kind of does

797
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:42,160
open the door for us to be strategic
about our approaches really looking at

798
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:46,079
what other opportunities do we have
within this community to find ways to

799
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:48,319
bring in multiple development partners
to bring this type of housing to the

800
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:52,160
community.
>> That's great. That's very helpful. And

801
01:02:49,599 --> 01:02:56,160
then my last question is and I know for
sure each of the applicants referred to

802
01:02:53,839 --> 01:03:01,040
this the whole financing what do they
call stack of it. So we know that

803
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:04,720
because these three have come forward
that you all looked at those financing

804
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:09,280
stacks and that like these are all
achievable. I mean for us we don't have

805
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:16,079
enough information to Okay, because that
is to your point, director, we have to

806
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:21,520
be able it has to be able to be able
Okay. So there wasn't a certain type of

807
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:26,880
financing stack. It's just that it made
sense to what we're asking for.

808
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:32,799
» Yes. And and what I would say is these
developers, all super experienced, all

809
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:37,920
developers who work with tax credits, um
and had a lot of similarities in the

810
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:41,119
types of funding that they identified.
And I think one of the things that we've

811
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:48,640
seen with projects, affordable housing
projects, is um there's

812
01:03:46,319 --> 01:03:53,440
the funding is also we're in a moment of
change with state funding. And so I

813
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:56,559
think like everyone has identified
multiple opportunities. You saw one

814
01:03:54,960 --> 01:04:02,160
proposal that had like four different
scenarios. Um and so it's kind of like

815
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:05,119
depending on how the dust settles,
>> we're going to, you know, we're going to

816
01:04:03,359 --> 01:04:09,920
go with um one of those funding
scenarios and and there were um similar

817
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:14,480
buckets identified across the teams.
>> Okay, that's helpful. I don't have any

818
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:19,839
questions at the moment. Do you have any
other council member Bashi? Okay. So,

819
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:26,079
with that, uh, we'll open up public Oh,
yeah. Sorry. City Manager Natio. Yeah.

820
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:31,280
» Yeah. Thank you. Uh, Paul Natio, city
manager, as we move to the public

821
01:04:28,559 --> 01:04:36,240
comment, I wanted to go back to Mayor
Kate's comment about, uh, this being an

822
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:42,160
unusual process. Um, just want to add
two more points. Uh, one, we're the

823
01:04:38,559 --> 01:04:48,480
owners of the property. Um, so that has
certain implications. Um, also, uh,

824
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:52,319
because we went through the RFP process
and received some really strong

825
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:57,280
proposals, we're also in this position
because if any one proposal was head and

826
01:04:54,880 --> 01:05:03,200
shoulders, uh, we may be bringing that
right to the city council. Um, the other

827
01:04:59,920 --> 01:05:08,640
part is wanting to have as transparent a
process as possible. We could have had a

828
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:13,599
um ad hoc subcommittee that's not
required to meet uh under the Brown Act,

829
01:05:11,119 --> 01:05:18,319
but we chose to set it up this way in
order to have as transparent a process

830
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:21,760
as possible. So that with that comes
some challenges.

831
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:25,760
» Thank you. And I think it makes sense. I
think then everyone understands what a

832
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:30,640
good um issue to have of these three
fantastic options.

833
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:34,640
Um okay, so I'll open up public comment
and as usual it's two minutes. You know,

834
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:37,680
there's a timer. You're welcome, but not
required to say your name and what part

835
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:42,160
of Sanfell you're in. And you can both
provide comments or input or question.

836
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:46,720
We are interested in what you have to
say.

837
01:05:45,039 --> 01:05:51,119
» Good evening. My name is Ken Dickinson.
I'm a Sandrafell small business owner

838
01:05:48,799 --> 01:05:56,160
Bay Area Computer Training. For over 20
years, I worked directly with EH Housing

839
01:05:53,760 --> 01:06:00,720
as their enterprise systems trainer.
From former CEO Mary MAG down to the

840
01:05:58,799 --> 01:06:05,839
property and maintenance teams on the
ground across California and Hawaii.

841
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:10,160
I've seen how they operate.
That matters because a permanent

842
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:14,799
supportive housing unit is only a home
if someone is there to keep the tenants

843
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:20,880
stable in the building safe. The June
2023 UC Berkeley Turner Center study,

844
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:25,839
which Eden and Saha both participated
in, found that understaffed supportive

845
01:06:23,039 --> 01:06:32,079
housing suffers nearly double the rate
of rental delinquencies. And yet Eden is

846
01:06:28,559 --> 01:06:37,039
proposing 111 units with no documented
on-site staff planning that I could see

847
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:42,160
in their proposal. EA is the only
finalist that answers this. A full-time

848
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:47,119
resident service coordinator, a
part-time case manager through Episcopal

849
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:52,880
Community Services and a rent-free
on-site manager unit guaranteed for the

850
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:57,839
full 99-year lease. That's not a
brochure promise. It's a staffing

851
01:06:54,880 --> 01:07:04,720
commitment on paper for the life of the
building. Eh also wins on every other

852
01:07:01,039 --> 01:07:10,720
front. Deepest affordability at 45% AMI
so residents can actually stay housed

853
01:07:07,599 --> 01:07:17,599
the lowest cost per unit. A three-story
design that fits ordinance 1979's

854
01:07:14,319 --> 01:07:22,160
negotiated height limits.
the neighborhood already bought into

855
01:07:19,839 --> 01:07:27,760
that proposal there and a faster
timeline that avoids the litigation risk

856
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:32,240
and six figure per unit penalties tied
to Eden's high density design which by

857
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:38,000
the way they have the option to expand
that as I understand it six stories

858
01:07:35,599 --> 01:07:44,480
they're local accountable already proven
in neighborhoods like ours for 350

859
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:51,119
mirale I urge this subcommittee to
support EAH housing thank Thank you.

860
01:07:49,119 --> 01:07:54,319
» Thank you.
And thank you for providing very

861
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:57,280
specific input. And what I'm thinking
again, this is such an unusual

862
01:07:55,680 --> 01:08:01,440
situation. So after we have all the
public comment, so each of the the

863
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:05,039
applicants will have an opportunity to
not have a long speech, but two or three

864
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:08,720
minutes to just maybe respond to what
you're hearing because um especially if

865
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:14,452
it's that specific. So thank you. Go
ahead, Mariana.

866
01:08:09,839 --> 01:08:20,347
» Good evening, uh council staff. Um
[clears throat] I am Marian Nanastad

867
01:08:16,239 --> 01:08:23,839
from San Rafal Meadows and um
[clears throat] I first want to comment

868
01:08:21,759 --> 01:08:28,080
on the community engagement that both
Mr. Hinkle and each of the presenters

869
01:08:25,839 --> 01:08:33,920
have presented that I am looking forward
to that we will have uh community

870
01:08:30,799 --> 01:08:38,960
engagement with this. So thank you.
While density is a valuable goal, the

871
01:08:35,759 --> 01:08:43,679
primary mission of the 350 Midel project
is to provide a permanent home for our

872
01:08:41,199 --> 01:08:48,080
unhoused and special needs neighbors.
For this mission to succeed, EAH housing

873
01:08:46,159 --> 01:08:55,679
is the only developer that has submitted
a proposal built on operational reality.

874
01:08:52,159 --> 01:08:59,920
The June 2023 Turner Center study, which
actually included data from the other

875
01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:04,400
finalist, reveals that under re
underresourced properties with fewer

876
01:09:01,839 --> 01:09:08,960
on-site staff suffer from nearly double
the rate of rental delinquencies and

877
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:14,000
significantly higher moveout rates.
Without intens intensive on-site

878
01:09:11,759 --> 01:09:18,080
stewardship, the most valuable residents
are at high risk of cycling back into

879
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:22,640
homelessness.
Eahh proposal directly addresses these

880
01:09:20,319 --> 01:09:28,467
risks. First, they target the deepest
level of affordability with an average

881
01:09:24,719 --> 01:09:30,799
of 45% AMI, ensuring units remain re
[clears throat]

882
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:34,480
uh reachable for those with the greatest
needs. Second, they are the only

883
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:38,080
finalist to document a clear tiered
on-site support team, a full-time

884
01:09:36,239 --> 01:09:42,799
resident services coordinator, a
dedicated case manager through Episcopal

885
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:48,480
Community Services, and a rent-free
on-site manager unit to ensure 247

886
01:09:45,839 --> 01:09:52,480
building stewardship. A 99-year lease is
a century long commitment. We should not

887
01:09:50,480 --> 01:09:57,040
select a developer offering a vague menu
of services without a documented

888
01:09:54,560 --> 01:10:02,400
headcount. I urge this sub subcommittee
to prioritize long-term stability over

889
01:09:59,199 --> 01:10:08,760
mere units counts by advancing the EA
proposal. Thank you.

890
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:08,760
» Thank you.

891
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:18,000
» Hi, my name is Jennifer Wallace. I don't
know if it's possible to go to the Eden

892
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:22,560
deck uh and bring up the slide where
they showed the rendering from the yard

893
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:27,679
if that's possible while I make some
comments. Um I too support the EAH

894
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:33,520
proposal. They seem to have addressed
all the elements in the most balanced

895
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:38,640
way and um you know really excited to
see their commitment to the

896
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:43,760
environmental aspect of this and um
really loved the concept of the three

897
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:49,120
stories you know uh and the reason I was
hoping to bring up the Eden deck is that

898
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:54,000
rendering from that was my house by the
way in the picture um that's not what

899
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:58,080
five and six stories looks like and to
count in their rendering that was is a

900
01:10:55,760 --> 01:11:02,320
six-story building that they modeled and
that's not what five and six stories

901
01:10:59,679 --> 01:11:08,400
looks like from my backyard and from our
street and a couple streets over. It's

902
01:11:04,480 --> 01:11:14,080
it's a lot more imposing than that. So
what I saw from the EAH version and also

903
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:20,960
understanding that designs can shift um
but but that their opening approach was

904
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:25,199
recognizing the neighborhood feel and
trying to fit into that as the other

905
01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:29,199
apartments do along Maryale already at
two and three stories plus also

906
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:33,040
addressing parking all the other
elements. Um really appreciated that. So

907
01:11:31,679 --> 01:11:36,280
thank you.
>> Thank you.

908
01:11:40,239 --> 01:11:46,719
Good evening. My name is Gregory Andrew
and I live in Sanfell Meadows. And um I

909
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:53,280
think you just heard uh three very
powerful and compelling reasons to

910
01:11:49,199 --> 01:11:58,080
support the EAH uh uh proposal and uh
select EAH as the developer for this

911
01:11:55,360 --> 01:12:04,239
site. I uh find that after reviewing
these that uh the eh proposal would be

912
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:08,800
the most uh affordable housing for the
targeted population and it would be the

913
01:12:06,480 --> 01:12:16,640
most compatible with the neighborhood. I
think what you have before you is a

914
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:22,800
choice of uh we do own this property and
so there is an opportunity to develop a

915
01:12:20,719 --> 01:12:29,440
site that is compatible with the
neighborhood or a project that imposes

916
01:12:26,480 --> 01:12:34,239
upon the neighborhood. And I find that I
find that the uh the Eden and Saha

917
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:38,400
developments seem to be out of
character. they're too big and just

918
01:12:36,719 --> 01:12:43,120
their look of them are out of character
with the neighborhood. I did hear EAH

919
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:48,800
talk about the environmental approach
and utilizing um uh what's already

920
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:53,440
there. I found that to be very uh
interesting. I also heard EAH make

921
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:58,880
reference to the pedestrian path. So I
don't think that is unique to uh to uh

922
01:12:57,440 --> 01:13:03,120
actually all three of them did. So I
don't think that is unique to Eden. I

923
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:07,840
have uh some questions I'd like to
address and I'll hand these over to to

924
01:13:05,199 --> 01:13:11,679
the staff which is what uh what were the
proposals of the two developers that

925
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:16,640
were not selected in finalists Pacific
Companies and Samuel Group please give

926
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:21,360
us some detail on those proposals uh a
pedestrian path for the smart Meridale

927
01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:26,560
smart station was not part of the EF
RFP. How was it that Eden came to to

928
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:32,719
propose developing this path and were
the other developers aware of this? Um

929
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:37,360
the evaluation group, the evaluation
committee panel was uh city, county and

930
01:13:35,679 --> 01:13:41,679
chamber of commerce. So with the chamber
of commerce, why was no community

931
01:13:39,440 --> 01:13:44,640
neighborhood u representative where
there there could have been and there

932
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:47,679
should have been. So why don't you
finish with No, go ahead and finish your

933
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:52,320
questions because this is a chance
>> and then uh what I'd like to see more

934
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:58,320
detail on the development scores. You
summarized them. They were Eden and EAH

935
01:13:55,600 --> 01:14:04,239
were extremely close. So I'd like to see
uh if I could the details on those

936
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:08,000
developments on those scoring. That's
it. Thank you very much.

937
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:11,960
» Okay. Thank you.
>> Other questions or comments?

938
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:27,120
Good evening. My name is Janet Shirley
and I live two blocks from the 350

939
01:14:23,440 --> 01:14:32,480
Midell site in Sanfeld Meadows.
I'm here to not to talk about floor

940
01:14:29,440 --> 01:14:37,760
plans or how many units. I'm here to
talk about what happens after the ribbon

941
01:14:34,719 --> 01:14:41,920
is cut on this project because that's
when the project actually becomes

942
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:46,000
somebody's home.
I've watched our city change. I've

943
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:52,560
watched buildings go up with big
promises that disappear once the

944
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:57,440
developer moves on to the next site.
What I haven't seen enough of is a

945
01:14:54,719 --> 01:15:03,120
promise to actually stay, to have
someone on site when a senior falls or

946
01:15:00,719 --> 01:15:06,480
when a crisis develops at 2:00 a.m. in
the morning.

947
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:12,320
EA
is the only proposal with full-time

948
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:18,159
onsite staff and a resident manager who
actually is going to live there, not one

949
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:22,880
who simply clocks in and clocks out.
It's the only one reaching the deepest

950
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:30,239
affordability so that families who need
this housing most can afford to stay.

951
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:35,280
And it does this at the lowest cost to
taxpayers in a design that fits the

952
01:15:33,199 --> 01:15:41,040
scale that this neighborhood already
agreed to and wants. This community

953
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:46,480
deserves more than just a building. We
deserve a partner who will be answering

954
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:51,520
the phone year after year after year for
years to come.

955
01:15:48,159 --> 01:15:55,440
not just a partner who wins the bid. So
when this council weighs these

956
01:15:53,120 --> 01:16:02,560
proposals, I'm asking you to look past
the rendering and the unit counts. EAH

957
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:06,880
housing is local.
EH housing has already proven itself in

958
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:12,960
our neighborhoods
and EH EAH housing is the only finalist

959
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:18,719
that has built in the promise of
long-term care into its proposal instead

960
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:23,120
of just a pitch.
Because the difference between a housing

961
01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:29,440
project and a home isn't the number of
units, it's whether somebody's there to

962
01:16:26,239 --> 01:16:36,480
answer the door year after year.
I urge you to select eh housing as the

963
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:40,080
developer 3 for 350 Mary. Thank you.
>> Thank you. And to be clear, we're not

964
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:47,719
making any selection this evening, but I
appreciate the phrasing. Okay. Just want

965
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:47,719
to make that very clear. Anyone else?

966
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:56,480
» My name is Wayne Rabin. I live in San
Meadows. Good evening members of

967
01:16:53,840 --> 01:17:01,760
subcommittee staff.
While Eden Housing has rec been

968
01:16:58,480 --> 01:17:07,280
recognized with its 111 units density,
we must look beyond physical blueprints

969
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:12,640
and long-term operation safety. Despite
pre o proposing the largest, most

970
01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:18,640
expensive project at $98 million. Eden
proposal fails to document a dedicated

971
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:25,280
on-site manager or residential service
staff member. We cannot run highdensity

972
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:30,560
housing on autopilot. The June 2023
terror center report, a study Eden

973
01:17:28,480 --> 01:17:36,239
itself participated in, reveals that
underresourced, understaffed properties

974
01:17:33,440 --> 01:17:42,719
suffer nearly double the rate of rental
discrepancies, delinquencies, and

975
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:47,440
sufficiently higher early exit rates.
Without trained on staff personnel to

976
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:53,360
bring community and descalate
crisis, these projects face severe

977
01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:58,480
tenant instability, rapid staff burnout
and costly property damagement

978
01:17:55,520 --> 01:18:03,280
preventable by fires and flooding. So
developers as developers present the

979
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:09,040
proposal tonight urge the subcommittee
to demand absolute transparent team

980
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:14,640
regarding the staff and gap. Before we
proceed the developer section this fall,

981
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:19,760
we must secure binding commitments for
on staff staffing, headc counts,

982
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:25,760
accountability measures, and operational
budgets. We must prioritize long-term

983
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:33,679
neighborhood safety and tenant safety
over mere unit counts. Also, needen has

984
01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:42,679
the most units. More units equal more
traffic, which we do not need.

985
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:42,679
Thank you. Any other comments?

986
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:55,760
» Good evening. Uh Joe O'Hare and I'm a
36-year resident of the eastern part of

987
01:18:52,719 --> 01:19:01,360
San Rafell and Peacock Gap. Uh I was the
former CEO of Vivivalon. And when I

988
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:05,199
retired, I decided what I was going to
do with my volunteer community service

989
01:19:03,199 --> 01:19:09,760
work. And what was presented by the
staff at the beginning of this

990
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:14,640
presentation is what really made me
passionate about working and trying to

991
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:21,600
get more affordable and the right type
of housing in in uh in San Rafale and in

992
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:25,440
Marin County. Um as a result um I went
on the board of directors of Eden

993
01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:29,760
Housing. I've served there for three
years and I'm also on the board of

994
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:35,280
directors of Calmer and Home which is a
strategic collaborative initiative of 40

995
01:19:32,719 --> 01:19:40,719
nonprofits with the intent to try to
remove the barriers so we can build more

996
01:19:38,159 --> 01:19:47,040
affordable and workforce housing in all
of our communities in Mirin. Uh why Eden

997
01:19:45,199 --> 01:19:51,040
Housing? Why did I choose them?
Obviously I did a project with them. I

998
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:56,239
spent 15 years working with them as the
city did in building the the healthy

999
01:19:53,440 --> 01:20:01,120
aging campus in downtown San Rafale and
I welcome anybody to go look at uh the

1000
01:19:59,199 --> 01:20:04,960
residents, talk to the residents there,
see what's done there. The mission of

1001
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:08,960
Eden Housing is home is just the
beginning and if you go over and see

1002
01:20:07,120 --> 01:20:12,239
what the services and the support and
the full-time resident services that are

1003
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:17,520
there, it'll answer many of the
questions that the community has. Um,

1004
01:20:15,440 --> 01:20:21,120
also the city has worked with Eden
Housing. As pointed out, we've we've

1005
01:20:19,199 --> 01:20:25,679
built over a hundred affordable housing
units. Not only that one, but the one in

1006
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:30,560
Cass Canal. They have over 200 other
projects in development.

1007
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:34,560
And I can tell you that um when we were
selecting our affordable housing

1008
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:38,880
partner, I spent a year going all over
the Bay Area and looking at affordable h

1009
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:43,760
nonprofit affordable housing developers.
And when we just kept coming back and we

1010
01:20:41,199 --> 01:20:48,000
did an RFP like the city did and we
selected Eden Housing because we saw

1011
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:53,440
they were problem solvers. They're in
their communities for a long period of

1012
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:57,600
time. And uh I I do believe and I will
tell you all that as a board member and

1013
01:20:55,280 --> 01:21:02,800
as a resident, I'll make sure that this
project is the best that it can be and

1014
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:07,440
be as good as the one we did at at the
Healthy Aging Campus. Thank you.

1015
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:12,040
» Thank you.
Anyone else like to speak?

1016
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:24,719
» Good evening, mayor, council members,
staff. My name is Nicole Gardillo. I am

1017
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:29,920
a field representative with the North
Coast State Carpenters Union at Lago

1018
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:33,840
751, which covers Marin County. I'm here
tonight to talk about labor standards

1019
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:38,320
and why it should be implemented here in
San Rafael. We all agree that we need

1020
01:21:36,239 --> 01:21:42,800
more affordable housing in Min County,
but we must also pay attention on how it

1021
01:21:40,480 --> 01:21:47,600
is built. Meaningful labor labor
standards in play means that there will

1022
01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:52,560
be responsible con contractor that
provides livable wages, health care, and

1023
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:57,360
apprenticeship programs that may help
build the future. These are not just

1024
01:21:55,040 --> 01:22:01,760
protection for workers. They are
investments in the quality, safety, and

1025
01:21:59,920 --> 01:22:06,480
durability of the structures that are
being built for our community. Let us

1026
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:11,280
make sure that this project reflects our
city's values. Please ensure that this

1027
01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:15,600
project will be built by a responsible
contractor that includes labor

1028
01:22:12,719 --> 01:22:21,120
standards. Thank you.
>> Thank you.

1029
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:26,719
Any other comments or questions that
anyone has?

1030
01:22:24,239 --> 01:22:30,000
Okay, I don't see any. I'll close the
public comment. And as I said at the

1031
01:22:28,480 --> 01:22:34,080
beginning, I would have thought about it
in the very beginning, but as I said,

1032
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:37,679
it's an unusual proceeding. Um, I would
like to give the each of the applicants

1033
01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:40,560
an opportunity just to say a few more
words. You you heard public comment.

1034
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:43,360
You've been sitting there thinking about
other things like, "Oh, I should have

1035
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:47,440
said that or I'd like to say this." This
is your chance to do that. And we'll

1036
01:22:45,440 --> 01:22:53,840
just go in the same order. So, Nor, if
you want to go up or or someone from

1037
01:22:50,480 --> 01:22:58,080
your team, however you want to do it.
>> Uh, no, thank you. uh just really

1038
01:22:55,679 --> 01:23:03,280
appreciate this opportunity
um to be here. I agree this is um unique

1039
01:23:01,280 --> 01:23:07,520
um for San Rafll to go through this
process, but I think it's great. I will

1040
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:12,239
say um I've gone through some similar
processes now in other cities where they

1041
01:23:09,199 --> 01:23:15,360
put out an RFP and we come and do this
and so uh you're right in line with with

1042
01:23:14,159 --> 01:23:20,400
a lot of other cities doing a lot of
really cool things. So

1043
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:24,400
» very awesome. Um uh I I think really the
only other thing I wanted to mention was

1044
01:23:22,480 --> 01:23:29,360
um you know we even though we're waiting
to see this process through we are still

1045
01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:32,639
you know wanting to consider our own due
diligence as well. And so you know we

1046
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:36,880
are in touch with the Lascalina sanitary
district I would like to also find out

1047
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:41,600
what that easement is if it's necessary
not necessary you know that is why we

1048
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:45,679
designed it in a way where um you know
we didn't have to worry about it should

1049
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:48,800
they need it. Um but you know we are in
conversation with them and and we'll

1050
01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:51,920
we've sent them some of our plans just
so they can let us know like oh yeah

1051
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:59,040
this is what we're doing with it or not.
Um uh and then um as far as uh you know

1052
01:23:56,639 --> 01:24:04,320
the the pedestrian path um I know that
that did come up and um yeah absolutely

1053
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:07,920
like our goal um like I mentioned is to
make sure that we have good connection

1054
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:12,560
to transit because our residents are
going to need it. Um and so it's just

1055
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:17,360
very critical for us. Um, I will say the
the reason maybe we didn't bring up um

1056
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:24,239
AHSC specifically in our funding stack
that you saw is because it is um uh for

1057
01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:28,080
now it it no longer exists. Um there is
a possibility maybe it'll come back in a

1058
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:32,480
different form or they'll reverse their
decision on the greenhouse gas reduction

1059
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:37,760
fund at the state but as of now um we
are not counting on AHSC. So, we wanted

1060
01:24:35,440 --> 01:24:42,159
to think through what else do we have
available to us. Um, and you know, we we

1061
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:46,080
will also keep an eye on what kind of
funding will come through should Prop 1

1062
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:48,639
pass on the ballot in November and the
programs that'll get funded, which will

1063
01:24:47,440 --> 01:24:52,560
include some infrastructure grant
funding. Um, so that might be a

1064
01:24:50,159 --> 01:24:56,400
possibility. Um, but again, you know, we
just wanted to make sure we had enough

1065
01:24:54,719 --> 01:24:59,040
paths forward where, you know, if one
didn't work, we had another one that we

1066
01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:04,400
could fall back on. And so that's why
you saw those four paths um and not the

1067
01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:07,600
the ASIC program in there. Um, don't
think I had anything else. If there's

1068
01:25:06,159 --> 01:25:11,520
any other questions that you had for me,
happy to answer those, but any I don't

1069
01:25:10,239 --> 01:25:16,639
know if the team had anything else to
add.

1070
01:25:13,679 --> 01:25:19,760
» Oh, yes. The Yeah, we we were very um
intentional about the adaptive reuse is

1071
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:23,600
just, you know, something I'm very
interested in trying out um in our team,

1072
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:27,840
Studio Tsquare, which we also worked on
on the Northgate Mall project. So

1073
01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:32,080
they're very um well verssed in the area
and in the in the land and the the law

1074
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:36,159
itself and also the the connectivity to
transit um because they were our part

1075
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:38,960
our thought partner there. Um but yeah,
we would love to keep exploring that

1076
01:25:37,679 --> 01:25:42,880
with the city because we we don't
actually know what the plan is for your

1077
01:25:40,639 --> 01:25:45,760
interim housing. And so if those are not
going to be around, that's okay. We'll

1078
01:25:44,159 --> 01:25:48,960
we'll figure something out. But if they
are available, it'd be great to think

1079
01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:54,159
through what we can do with those. um
you know as community center space um as

1080
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:58,719
you know um just space for the the
residents to be able to to do really fun

1081
01:25:56,400 --> 01:26:00,880
activities um potentially use it for
neighborhood meetings that kind of

1082
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:04,719
thing. So
>> yeah, thank you.

1083
01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:09,120
» Thank you. Thank you for that.
>> Tammy, do you want to speak or member of

1084
01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:14,000
your team? Thank you.
>> Hi. Thanks again. Thanks for having us

1085
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:19,280
back to uh respond. Uh I heard three
things tonight uh about resident

1086
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:24,880
services, the path to the smart train uh
station and the height of the building.

1087
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:30,000
Um it is amazing to have this level of
involvement from neighbors um this early

1088
01:26:27,440 --> 01:26:38,000
in the process and thank you all for
coming um to express your concerns and I

1089
01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:43,199
uh would really encourage everybody to
take up Joe Joe's invitation to visit

1090
01:26:40,239 --> 01:26:48,639
Vivolon or to visit Kasa Canal because
you will see at those uh properties like

1091
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:55,040
all of our 160 properties there are
on-site resident services managers who

1092
01:26:51,040 --> 01:27:01,679
live at the property 24 hours a day. So,
um we have on staff janitorial, property

1093
01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:07,280
management, resident services, and even
third party services whose jobs are to

1094
01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:13,199
be at our building 24 hours. I mean, not
well, it's se seven days a week. Um but

1095
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:19,280
there is a 24-hour resident services
manager on site at all of our

1096
01:27:15,440 --> 01:27:24,880
properties. Um because that is um that
is the true because all of our uh our

1097
01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:31,199
residents need services and they need
support so that we can um keep them

1098
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:35,920
there happily and sustainably. Um I'm
going to turn it over. Oh, I one thing

1099
01:27:33,199 --> 01:27:42,400
about path station. Our proposal
originally talked about establishing a

1100
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:47,280
pedestrian connection from the property
to the path station. Uh the city got

1101
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:52,719
back to us and said, "You know what? The
city's already thinking about this. If

1102
01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:57,199
the city should um find the money to do
this to do this path, would you consider

1103
01:27:55,760 --> 01:28:02,239
doing bicycle and pedestrian
improvements according to the city's uh

1104
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:06,400
pedestrian and bicycle plan that go
north to San Pedro Road?" And that is we

1105
01:28:04,639 --> 01:28:10,320
said yes, and we will take a look at
that. Um I just wanted to clear that up

1106
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:13,760
because I know there was two different
slides on that. And I'm going to turn it

1107
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:17,840
over to Rick to talk about the height of
the building because

1108
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:19,920
» just a short response out of my
wheelhouse.

1109
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:25,920
» Okay. Just a short response.
>> Very short. So, one of the things we did

1110
01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:32,320
is we tried to show the uh we modeled
the building, placed it in the the site

1111
01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:35,520
so that people could get a real honest
appearance of what it looks like at

1112
01:28:34,239 --> 01:28:39,679
different heights. It was actually a
fivetory scheme that we modeled. We

1113
01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:43,920
actually modeled a six-story scheme,
too. and we saw the height of it and

1114
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:49,120
lessened it. People get honest
tradeoffs. We did that with Bivivalon

1115
01:28:46,159 --> 01:28:53,679
and we do it with Fairfax Mil Valley. We
do it with all of our projects. So, they

1116
01:28:50,719 --> 01:28:58,239
get an honest review and it's very
transparent and if they ask us to take

1117
01:28:56,159 --> 01:29:03,840
it from the backyard, we will take the
image from the backyard and show it to

1118
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:08,159
them personally. Um, also there are a
lot of people in the community of San

1119
01:29:05,440 --> 01:29:13,920
Rafale. The community isn't just along
Midell. it's within the whole city and

1120
01:29:12,159 --> 01:29:19,920
you're providing housing for the whole
community. So, there are tradeoffs to be

1121
01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:25,920
had. Do you how do you maximize the
value of the site for the city to use uh

1122
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:31,840
their dollars in purchasing the
property? There are also community

1123
01:29:28,239 --> 01:29:36,719
members that will live here eventually.
And every time I complete a project, I

1124
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:40,560
think, well,
yes, we took we got the project approved

1125
01:29:38,639 --> 01:29:47,280
and we took a story off the building and
we can do that and still achieve a high

1126
01:29:43,199 --> 01:29:53,120
unit count. If you remove 30 units from
the development and it's 80 unit

1127
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:58,400
project, the one group of people you
don't ever have to ask a question or

1128
01:29:55,040 --> 01:30:04,000
answer a question of is why don't I have
a house to live in? and those residents,

1129
01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:08,560
future residents,
many of who might have already been

1130
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:12,880
Sanfell residents
don't get to speak for that answer. And

1131
01:30:11,360 --> 01:30:16,000
I think that's a really important thing
to consider. So there'll be tradeoffs in

1132
01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:22,239
this process. Y
>> nobody's wetted to the new design and

1133
01:30:19,360 --> 01:30:28,480
each of the developers would do a good
job. we were a we decided to proceed

1134
01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:32,239
with a larger development so that we
could have the conversation, have the

1135
01:30:30,320 --> 01:30:33,280
tradeoffs and work with the community on
it.

1136
01:30:32,480 --> 01:30:41,560
» Thank you.
>> Thank you, Ray.

1137
01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:41,560
And then um Eve. Yeah. Thank you.

1138
01:30:44,080 --> 01:30:52,480
» Thank you again. I guess it just in
conclusion um I'd like you to take away

1139
01:30:49,679 --> 01:30:55,520
um from our proposal that you know Saha
has a very strong presence in the

1140
01:30:53,840 --> 01:31:01,920
region. We have an excellent track
record. We are a very hands-on um

1141
01:30:58,719 --> 01:31:06,239
organization and and developer. Myself,
my CEO and all our senior leadership

1142
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:10,800
team are involved in these projects. We
have a really experienced staff. Um our

1143
01:31:08,480 --> 01:31:15,199
senior project manager Naan who's here
um has worked on several ASIC projects

1144
01:31:12,880 --> 01:31:20,159
and done really beautiful communities
again from San Jose to penol um and

1145
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:24,800
we've augmented our team with uh folks
who have a long history in the city um

1146
01:31:23,040 --> 01:31:28,239
and a lot of local expertise. So April
Paley who will be part of our community

1147
01:31:26,159 --> 01:31:34,400
outreach and planning and design work
going forward as well as Chris Hes. Um,

1148
01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:38,000
and I do want to clarify that we have
budgeted for this project to have

1149
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:41,840
full-time property management, full-time
services coordination as well as

1150
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:46,480
maintenance. Um, and we do have capacity
within our services department to

1151
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:51,679
provide case management for folks who
need a little extra support. We do have

1152
01:31:48,960 --> 01:31:55,440
um a licensed clinical uh social worker
who supervises all our resident service

1153
01:31:53,840 --> 01:32:00,560
coordinators so that they can get
support and um extra resources when

1154
01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:04,480
families or individuals are needing that
support. Um, we're also very adept at

1155
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:07,760
working with other community partners
and we've already started that process

1156
01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:11,520
by communicating and reaching out to
Canel Alliance and Ritter Center to

1157
01:32:09,679 --> 01:32:14,719
think about, oh, folks need additional
help, what are the resources in the

1158
01:32:13,120 --> 01:32:20,000
community and sort of building those
connections um and broad-based community

1159
01:32:17,360 --> 01:32:27,199
support. Uh, one last thing is we do
have uh 24-hour coverage for maintenance

1160
01:32:23,440 --> 01:32:32,000
or other emergencies and we um have a a
way to we have a text system so that we

1161
01:32:30,639 --> 01:32:36,480
can communicate directly with residents
so folks can sign up to get alerts and

1162
01:32:33,920 --> 01:32:40,719
announcements from us about activities
um opportunities as well as important

1163
01:32:38,719 --> 01:32:46,719
safety alerts again if something
happens. A couple last fall we had a

1164
01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:49,840
tsunami warning um for the bay and uh we
immediately were able to push out to all

1165
01:32:48,239 --> 01:32:53,600
our residents who lived potentially in
that zone and let them know make sure

1166
01:32:51,360 --> 01:32:58,239
they had seen the county warnings um and
mobilize quickly there. So um again,

1167
01:32:56,159 --> 01:33:02,480
we'd love to work with you and we
welcome the opportunity to engage with

1168
01:33:00,480 --> 01:33:07,120
neighbors as soon as we can so that we
can plan um for their needs and be

1169
01:33:04,880 --> 01:33:10,800
responsive and deliver a really
outstanding project for the community.

1170
01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:13,920
Thank you.
Thank you and thank you for providing

1171
01:33:12,639 --> 01:33:19,840
that additional information. I think
it's nice to have the opportunity to add

1172
01:33:16,320 --> 01:33:25,600
in and to respond. So,
we'll bring it back for subcommittee

1173
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:29,040
discussion and comments. I can see why
you wanted to bring all of us into this

1174
01:33:27,120 --> 01:33:32,960
conversation. This is not an easy one. I
do have two questions. Um, and maybe you

1175
01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:37,040
can just speak to this. There were
assumptions being made about who will be

1176
01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:41,440
living here and I know we have other
100% affordable projects in Sanfell and

1177
01:33:40,239 --> 01:33:44,239
so I don't know if the assumption is
always accurate that there are people

1178
01:33:42,480 --> 01:33:49,280
that were formerly homeless. So maybe
you could just speak to who the 80

1179
01:33:46,320 --> 01:33:54,480
people might be and it might change over
time. Um and then I would also be

1180
01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:58,840
curious what height is allowable by
current zoning standards.

1181
01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:08,639
Yeah, thank you for the clarifying
question. Um, because affordable housing

1182
01:34:05,920 --> 01:34:15,360
certainly can serve people who were
formerly homeless um or at risk of

1183
01:34:11,280 --> 01:34:19,440
homelessness. um but also often serves
um

1184
01:34:17,199 --> 01:34:24,560
every everyone really like um some of
the examples we gave we gave in our

1185
01:34:21,120 --> 01:34:28,639
slides right were home health aids and
um you know people who work retail or

1186
01:34:26,639 --> 01:34:33,520
people who are in food service or so
it's it's an expansive

1187
01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:38,560
group that can live there and is a part
of the community

1188
01:34:36,239 --> 01:34:44,560
» and so do our other affordable I'm just
saying center town are there um onsite

1189
01:34:41,600 --> 01:34:46,880
case managers because I I'm just trying
to figure out because I think that's a

1190
01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:51,199
really interesting comment that the
community talked about or on-site

1191
01:34:49,360 --> 01:34:55,040
property managers or just the stability
part the additional staffing. Do our

1192
01:34:52,960 --> 01:34:59,520
other affordable 100% affordable
projects have that.

1193
01:34:56,639 --> 01:35:04,159
» So I think it depends on the project and
the sort of level affordability and like

1194
01:35:02,239 --> 01:35:08,400
if there's permanent supportive housing,
right? So, permit supportive housing is

1195
01:35:05,920 --> 01:35:15,120
going to have an additional um layer of
support or like um more robust support.

1196
01:35:12,320 --> 01:35:19,760
Um and I think some of these proposals
had said,

1197
01:35:17,679 --> 01:35:22,880
you know, if vouchers become available,
we're happy to look at additional

1198
01:35:21,280 --> 01:35:26,639
permanent supportive housing, right?
Ramping that up. Right now, we don't

1199
01:35:24,639 --> 01:35:32,719
have that voucher availability. And so I
think that's why um it might have come

1200
01:35:29,120 --> 01:35:35,679
across as um unclear what the level of
services would be,

1201
01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:38,880
» right? Because I know that this project
when we when the city purchased property

1202
01:35:37,520 --> 01:35:41,840
was not to be permanent supportive
housing, which does have a higher level

1203
01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:45,520
of care,
>> right? And I will say um I believe all

1204
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:49,199
three proposals noted that that they
were um targeting family housing. So

1205
01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:55,239
which is again a little bit different
than um individual PSH.

1206
01:35:56,239 --> 01:36:02,400
And I think the second question was
about height. I believe the default

1207
01:35:59,920 --> 01:36:08,239
maximum height for this zone is 36 feet
if I'm not mistaken. But under um state

1208
01:36:05,360 --> 01:36:12,639
density bonus law um affordable housing
projects are entitled to increase the

1209
01:36:10,719 --> 01:36:16,960
density on site and given its proximity
to transit and the level of

1210
01:36:14,159 --> 01:36:20,320
affordability. Um if this were a private
development for example, I don't believe

1211
01:36:18,800 --> 01:36:22,239
the city could impose any density
restrictions

1212
01:36:21,040 --> 01:36:26,400
» or any height restrictions
>> or a waiver. Yeah, they ask for height.

1213
01:36:23,920 --> 01:36:30,080
Height becomes a waiver concern, but
that's kind of the difference nuance on

1214
01:36:28,320 --> 01:36:33,840
this one is we actually do get an
opportunity to basically set kind of

1215
01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:37,440
like the scale and
>> size of this project. So,

1216
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:40,719
» okay. And then we also had I'm looking
at my notes here. There were some

1217
01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:44,239
questions about going through the
projects not selected. I actually don't

1218
01:36:42,480 --> 01:36:48,639
want to spend subcommittee time. I can't
even parse through the three that we

1219
01:36:45,920 --> 01:36:52,480
have here. So, um but there was uh
information if you could share. I don't

1220
01:36:50,639 --> 01:36:55,679
know how much of that is public
information. So, if you could speak to

1221
01:36:53,760 --> 01:37:00,159
the to that didn't and I do realize
there's a proprietary aspect to these.

1222
01:36:57,440 --> 01:37:04,719
These are all pitches. So, I I again,
but if you could speak to that. So, we

1223
01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:11,119
already talked about um smart path that
was addressed. Oh, the resident uh again

1224
01:37:08,639 --> 01:37:16,159
for the finalist that there was a
chamber of commerce and staff, but why

1225
01:37:13,280 --> 01:37:20,239
there wasn't a community member? Never
heard of I don't know if we've done

1226
01:37:17,520 --> 01:37:23,119
that. Maybe maybe some of the developers
have experienced that in other cities.

1227
01:37:21,760 --> 01:37:26,560
As I said, this is a brave new world for
us, but if you could speak to that and

1228
01:37:24,719 --> 01:37:30,639
then the other one, oh, the development
score. So again, I know we're trying to

1229
01:37:28,480 --> 01:37:35,280
also be sensitive to the fact that that
some of this information is confidential

1230
01:37:32,560 --> 01:37:39,199
to the Anyway, but if you could answer
kind of those those questions and as

1231
01:37:37,440 --> 01:37:43,440
much as transparent as we can be.
>> Yeah, sure. So this uh we received five

1232
01:37:41,280 --> 01:37:47,760
responses. is the two that didn't rise
to the top. Um some lacked exper

1233
01:37:45,920 --> 01:37:52,639
experience that the these developer
teams have and some of the proposals

1234
01:37:51,040 --> 01:37:57,760
were maybe underdeveloped or they didn't
provide um any they didn't out identify

1235
01:37:55,840 --> 01:38:01,840
any community engagement or any
three-bedroom units. Some of some of the

1236
01:37:59,840 --> 01:38:06,800
factors that led to higher scores for
the other proposals. Um and then the the

1237
01:38:04,560 --> 01:38:12,320
panel consisted of of members that had
different um levels and different

1238
01:38:09,520 --> 01:38:15,280
specialties with housing background. Um
so even though we did have a member of

1239
01:38:13,679 --> 01:38:21,080
the Chamber of Commerce, they they had
affordable housing experiences which is

1240
01:38:17,119 --> 01:38:21,080
what they brought to the panel.

1241
01:38:21,360 --> 01:38:25,280
» And then
>> and then in respect to some of the

1242
01:38:23,360 --> 01:38:29,360
scoring or details and this is really
typical for the city when we do an RFP

1243
01:38:27,199 --> 01:38:34,239
process. uh those will become public
information or at least not proprietary

1244
01:38:31,199 --> 01:38:37,840
information once uh the council actually
selects a developer to move forward that

1245
01:38:36,320 --> 01:38:42,880
point then we could release additional
information because as we noticed some

1246
01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:45,760
of these competitive process RFPs maybe
the first one doesn't work out we know

1247
01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:50,639
the second one so we're still at give
that opportunity to uh select the

1248
01:38:48,320 --> 01:38:54,000
various groups um but that that's why
the information is put out once we've

1249
01:38:52,320 --> 01:39:00,560
actually made that selection and enter
into the NA and DDA so

1250
01:38:57,520 --> 01:39:06,000
Fantastic discussion or questions.
>> I just want to follow up just to to

1251
01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:14,480
clarify that if this property if the
site were being developed by a private

1252
01:39:07,840 --> 01:39:18,400
developer that had enough um concessions
there would be no height limit. The

1253
01:39:17,199 --> 01:39:21,600
sky's the limit.
>> No, it'd be a little different. We do

1254
01:39:19,760 --> 01:39:25,199
have density uh would be actually
because there is a density standard uh

1255
01:39:23,280 --> 01:39:29,679
outside the downtown. So there would be
a limitation based on the base allowance

1256
01:39:27,360 --> 01:39:33,360
density. Even when you put the the bonus
stacking on there, there would be a

1257
01:39:31,360 --> 01:39:36,239
limitation as compared to some of our
downtown zones.

1258
01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:40,719
» And do you have any idea what that would
be? That would be a number of units.

1259
01:39:38,480 --> 01:39:43,360
» Um there would be, but I I really always
feel when we start talking about things,

1260
01:39:42,080 --> 01:39:46,960
I think there's other factors that would
limit really this kind of like maximum

1261
01:39:45,280 --> 01:39:50,639
sky's limit approach and really is some
of the built infrastructure and also

1262
01:39:48,560 --> 01:39:55,440
what the site can actually handle. M
>> um so uh in this case it's a sizable

1263
01:39:53,360 --> 01:39:59,199
parcel but uh some of these questions do
come to play but there is actually a

1264
01:39:57,360 --> 01:40:02,320
height allowance a base density project
you would actually have to call out what

1265
01:40:00,719 --> 01:40:07,679
the maximum density allowance is for
this parcel I think we calculated in

1266
01:40:05,440 --> 01:40:12,159
like 140 range I can't recall off top of
my head but um there is there would be a

1267
01:40:10,880 --> 01:40:16,639
box that actually would have to
maintained if a um private developer had

1268
01:40:15,040 --> 01:40:20,639
acquired the site and move forward with
development of this

1269
01:40:17,920 --> 01:40:20,639
» okay thank

1270
01:40:21,360 --> 01:40:28,800
Now we're to the discussion part.
>> Trying to think how we can help um guide

1271
01:40:27,199 --> 01:40:32,960
the discussion. I I really want the
entire council to be up here because

1272
01:40:30,400 --> 01:40:38,560
this is uh very much a challenge. So I'm
trying to figure out how we can give

1273
01:40:34,080 --> 01:40:42,880
input that's helpful. Um it's well I'll
start because I'm already starting. Um I

1274
01:40:40,800 --> 01:40:47,520
I'm just thank you to all three
applicants that want to build and invest

1275
01:40:45,040 --> 01:40:52,320
in San Rafll. Um, I just want to start
with that. And this is a new area for

1276
01:40:50,400 --> 01:40:57,520
the city of Sanfal for us to be owning
this property. Um, and so as we find our

1277
01:40:55,920 --> 01:41:02,159
way through this process, whether you've
been working in Sanfal or you're new to

1278
01:41:00,400 --> 01:41:05,679
uh, working in here, I think you can
already tell that we care very deeply

1279
01:41:04,239 --> 01:41:08,880
about what's built here and what it
looks like and how it responds both to

1280
01:41:07,520 --> 01:41:12,480
adjacent neighbors, but as well as to
the entire community. I think that's a

1281
01:41:10,239 --> 01:41:18,880
good point. Um we've been doing this
work between us many many decades and

1282
01:41:16,000 --> 01:41:22,639
the reality is um any change in use
often is met with resistance for folks

1283
01:41:20,639 --> 01:41:28,560
that might be nearest and that's what it
is and recognizing that impact is real.

1284
01:41:25,600 --> 01:41:33,440
So, how do you balance? Uh, both of
those are true. Um, and this council has

1285
01:41:31,920 --> 01:41:37,040
been very very committed to having
affordable housing. And the fact we're

1286
01:41:34,880 --> 01:41:41,520
even doing this, 80 units at the very
minimum is a lot of units. And I and I

1287
01:41:39,600 --> 01:41:45,760
want to make sure that we don't in the
pursuit of perfection lose sight of the

1288
01:41:44,320 --> 01:41:49,520
fact that no matter what, we're going to
get 80 units because that is what our

1289
01:41:47,760 --> 01:41:55,199
agreement is. So, I want to just be
clear that for me that was um that's a

1290
01:41:53,040 --> 01:41:59,840
very important uh number that I'm I want
to say I'm fixated on but I'm thinking

1291
01:41:56,639 --> 01:42:04,239
about I we didn't talk about parking and
part of this is my other questions I

1292
01:42:02,320 --> 01:42:07,280
know get worked out I want to say worked
out but you have additional

1293
01:42:05,280 --> 01:42:13,520
conversations in the ENA what I heard
over all three was a willingness to take

1294
01:42:11,360 --> 01:42:18,480
in that input and a willingness to have
the project morph and as I said at the

1295
01:42:15,199 --> 01:42:23,199
very beginning and put um Eden on the
spot it's very difficult to s to believe

1296
01:42:21,760 --> 01:42:27,360
like oh we're going to take input when
you have really beautiful renderings

1297
01:42:24,880 --> 01:42:32,480
And again, it's hard for people unless
you're very wellversed in looking at

1298
01:42:29,760 --> 01:42:37,119
architectural drawings to understand how
those could be changed. And so, there's

1299
01:42:35,600 --> 01:42:40,080
always going to be a tension there. And
that's just the reality. So, thank you

1300
01:42:38,480 --> 01:42:44,080
for being brave and putting pictures on
the on in the document because I know

1301
01:42:42,960 --> 01:42:48,159
that soon as you put a picture out
there, people are going to start to

1302
01:42:45,199 --> 01:42:52,639
respond to it uh either positively or
negatively. Um, I'll just stop by saying

1303
01:42:50,960 --> 01:42:56,880
or close by saying I do think the
stability of the residents is a is a

1304
01:42:54,400 --> 01:43:00,800
critical part. And I recognize the folks
in this area. It's going to morph over

1305
01:42:58,800 --> 01:43:03,920
time. It's a 99-year lease. Hate to
break it to you, none of us are going to

1306
01:43:02,320 --> 01:43:07,760
be here. We're at the end of this,
right? And so, how do we have the

1307
01:43:05,600 --> 01:43:11,600
flexibility recognizing whether it's
service workers or our teachers or

1308
01:43:09,360 --> 01:43:14,239
nurses are going to be there. So, I
don't want to have it. It's not

1309
01:43:12,719 --> 01:43:16,880
permanent supportive housing. So, I
don't want it to be built that way.

1310
01:43:15,360 --> 01:43:21,520
That's a whole other realm. That is not
what we're talking about here. um even

1311
01:43:19,199 --> 01:43:25,119
though there are folks who have been
formerly homeless who will be offered

1312
01:43:23,600 --> 01:43:29,360
spots, but that that's very different
than 100% um permanent supportive

1313
01:43:27,280 --> 01:43:33,199
housing. The environmental aspect is
incredibly important. Once it's built,

1314
01:43:30,960 --> 01:43:36,239
it's not going away. So, um paying
attention to that and the designs, we

1315
01:43:34,960 --> 01:43:39,520
didn't get it in designs. We're not
going to do that to you. Setbacks,

1316
01:43:37,920 --> 01:43:44,320
things like that. I do think the
pedestrian experience as well as a

1317
01:43:41,920 --> 01:43:47,040
community experience is important. Um
and a lot of that can be addressed

1318
01:43:45,760 --> 01:43:51,920
through setbacks and through good
design. So that's why I didn't want us

1319
01:43:48,880 --> 01:43:55,199
to get hung up on design. And then I do
think uh having the character of the

1320
01:43:53,920 --> 01:44:01,040
neighborhood respected it. It's an
unusual site because it's very

1321
01:43:58,639 --> 01:44:05,679
industrial in some ways. You have an old
Chevron, you have fast food, you have

1322
01:44:03,760 --> 01:44:10,080
multif family housing, you have public
storage. There's kind of a lot going on

1323
01:44:07,920 --> 01:44:15,119
there. So having ultimately the design
and whoever's chosen recognizing that

1324
01:44:12,480 --> 01:44:19,520
you're in this liinal space between you
know the freeways on one side and how do

1325
01:44:17,920 --> 01:44:23,360
you recognize that there's an
established neighborhood there that has

1326
01:44:21,040 --> 01:44:27,199
its own architectural language and yet
this other buildings that are kind of

1327
01:44:25,760 --> 01:44:32,000
all over the board. I think that's
really challenging actually um from a

1328
01:44:29,840 --> 01:44:36,400
design perspective and this is not just
throw up a big box and call it a day at

1329
01:44:34,080 --> 01:44:40,400
all. So, um I'm actually really pleased
that the city will have the ability to

1330
01:44:38,159 --> 01:44:44,560
influence that design because we've seen
some other designs recently come across

1331
01:44:42,320 --> 01:44:48,239
that, um to me have not been as
respectful from what we want in terms of

1332
01:44:46,239 --> 01:44:52,560
good design. So, I know that's not all
helpful in terms of delineating. Um and

1333
01:44:50,400 --> 01:44:56,719
I'll just stop at one more thing. The
whole financial stack of it all and that

1334
01:44:55,119 --> 01:45:01,440
is it was talked about how that's a
changing landscape. Um I am fully

1335
01:44:59,520 --> 01:45:05,840
convinced that all three that presented
tonight would figure it out. you have

1336
01:45:03,679 --> 01:45:08,480
all had records of doing this for
decades and decades and decades and

1337
01:45:07,280 --> 01:45:12,560
you've been meaning you've been figuring
it out year after year after year. So I

1338
01:45:10,639 --> 01:45:16,719
am completely confident um that was
something that was really important to

1339
01:45:13,600 --> 01:45:21,600
me to hear and I heard that tonight. So
um so I like I agree with you all three.

1340
01:45:20,167 --> 01:45:26,080
[laughter]
Yeah, council member Busheen.

1341
01:45:24,480 --> 01:45:31,360
» I totally agree that would that would be
the simplest um thing would be to um

1342
01:45:29,199 --> 01:45:37,360
take all three of you because that you
all have um are incredibly qualified.

1343
01:45:34,320 --> 01:45:45,280
We're thrilled and honored that um you
have um um made the effort to um and and

1344
01:45:41,840 --> 01:45:50,400
they have the desire to be in San Rafel.
But we do need to make a decision um and

1345
01:45:47,920 --> 01:45:55,679
we can't have all three. Um, and I think
what would most help be most helpful

1346
01:45:52,639 --> 01:45:59,840
because as a subcommittee our job is to
give you staff direction for what will

1347
01:45:58,000 --> 01:46:06,480
be brought forward to the entire
council. So with thinking along that

1348
01:46:02,719 --> 01:46:12,400
what can I give you for feedback? Um, my
feedback is that I agree with your prior

1349
01:46:10,560 --> 01:46:16,880
or the way you're approaching it. the
items that you've listed on page three

1350
01:46:14,560 --> 01:46:22,400
about in the middle of the page um where
you say the strength of the proposal is

1351
01:46:18,880 --> 01:46:28,719
it would provide the most housing the
the reason I think that should be the

1352
01:46:24,159 --> 01:46:34,400
first um criterion addressed
the purpose of this is low-income

1353
01:46:31,119 --> 01:46:38,800
housing and one of the other groups the
the people who wouldn't get to live here

1354
01:46:36,239 --> 01:46:43,840
are one group that aren't here but in
addition

1355
01:46:40,400 --> 01:46:49,920
um the taxpayers of Marin County that
have provided $8 million that allow us

1356
01:46:46,960 --> 01:46:56,639
to be in this happy position of having
to choose which developer we want. Those

1357
01:46:53,600 --> 01:47:01,520
taxpayers I believe want the most value
for their investment and that's why I

1358
01:46:59,440 --> 01:47:07,280
think we should be focused on the number
of units in making sure that there are

1359
01:47:04,320 --> 01:47:13,520
familysiz units included in that mix.
But the the numbers matter here. Um we

1360
01:47:10,000 --> 01:47:18,560
we need numbers. Um we need many many
many units. So I think focusing on the

1361
01:47:16,320 --> 01:47:24,159
number of the units is the uh the the
the correct first criterion. And and one

1362
01:47:22,320 --> 01:47:29,840
the next one you have is parking which
is something we did haven't talked about

1363
01:47:26,080 --> 01:47:36,320
a lot about here although heaven help us
have we heard about parking for those

1364
01:47:32,960 --> 01:47:45,360
many decades. So, I I would offer for
the neighborhood consideration that park

1365
01:47:39,600 --> 01:47:54,159
off-site parking is a huge issue and the
the um amount of onsite parking is

1366
01:47:49,920 --> 01:47:59,360
extremely important and the
closely related to that is the ability

1367
01:47:57,360 --> 01:48:06,800
to get to transit so you don't have to
have so many cars. Um those two things

1368
01:48:02,880 --> 01:48:13,440
work together to um
uh keep the trans the transportation on

1369
01:48:10,480 --> 01:48:18,639
site that that can be and and provide
the neighborhood benefit of paths to uh

1370
01:48:16,239 --> 01:48:23,280
for everyone to use to get to transit,
not to mention the greater environmental

1371
01:48:20,719 --> 01:48:29,760
benefit. And then that that plays into
the the neighborhood improvement. And

1372
01:48:26,560 --> 01:48:33,679
finally, I think too you um maybe should
add a criterion that's been talked a lot

1373
01:48:31,760 --> 01:48:42,080
about today. The the next one would be
the on-site services. Um because as I

1374
01:48:37,840 --> 01:48:45,440
was listening to many of the um
specifics of the development,

1375
01:48:43,440 --> 01:48:48,800
particularly the environmental ones,
maybe it's because I come from the

1376
01:48:46,639 --> 01:48:54,719
electricity industry. I hear all these
things micro grids photobotic [laughter]

1377
01:48:52,159 --> 01:49:00,480
and it's like these are very complicated
very dangerous things. These are not

1378
01:48:58,400 --> 01:49:07,360
something even your on-site manager you
you need expertise

1379
01:49:02,639 --> 01:49:13,119
to maintain and to um be able to fully
utilize the resistant the resilience

1380
01:49:10,159 --> 01:49:17,760
potential of these facilities. And if
we're going to put these complex,

1381
01:49:16,159 --> 01:49:25,040
expensive,
and dangerous um items on these sites,

1382
01:49:22,080 --> 01:49:33,280
we need to have um staff with expertise
and training that are able to safely um

1383
01:49:29,119 --> 01:49:37,520
interact with these um features. So um
those are the criteria. That's how I

1384
01:49:35,119 --> 01:49:41,920
would approach it um for for the rest of
the council so that we have a way of um

1385
01:49:40,000 --> 01:49:45,199
looking at the information in a
sequence.

1386
01:49:42,960 --> 01:49:48,560
» And would you we had talked about units
but also bedrooms. I'm trying I'm trying

1387
01:49:47,119 --> 01:49:52,400
to figure out how we get at the mix
piece and I know you said they all had

1388
01:49:50,800 --> 01:49:55,840
the mix. Are you or would your response
to that be like that would be figured

1389
01:49:53,840 --> 01:50:00,400
out in the ENA?
>> Again, just trying to get our hands

1390
01:49:57,199 --> 01:50:03,360
around. Yeah, I think you have to look
at this is the concept plans that

1391
01:50:02,080 --> 01:50:06,639
they've kind of like for their own
project. What what if okay everything's

1392
01:50:05,360 --> 01:50:08,880
held equal. This is what we would
pursue. Okay.

1393
01:50:07,520 --> 01:50:12,719
» The hard part is really the due
diligence.

1394
01:50:10,080 --> 01:50:15,600
» What what capacity or what sewer
allocation? There's a lot of questions

1395
01:50:14,400 --> 01:50:19,119
that come into play
>> about getting there. So that's why it's

1396
01:50:16,960 --> 01:50:23,199
hard to get unit mix, but I think we
just that's why we really are focused on

1397
01:50:20,880 --> 01:50:28,639
the developer and then recognizing all
three developers could deliver what the

1398
01:50:25,440 --> 01:50:33,760
city is looking to deliver. Okay.
>> But we don't want

1399
01:50:31,199 --> 01:50:38,560
all, you know, a whole bunch of of um
studios, you know, exclusive studios. We

1400
01:50:36,080 --> 01:50:41,760
do want some family units.
>> Agree.

1401
01:50:39,040 --> 01:50:45,600
» At at some fraction.
>> Agreed. And then that's really made me

1402
01:50:43,760 --> 01:50:49,920
look at the percentages proposed to say
whatever the actual build approach was

1403
01:50:47,440 --> 01:50:53,280
the same percentages of the intermix of
units and then all three of them

1404
01:50:51,600 --> 01:50:57,119
actually gave a mix of units. So that's
why I said that's the benefit bit versus

1405
01:50:55,600 --> 01:51:01,920
just one single type. And we've seen
that uh in actual market rate projects

1406
01:50:59,600 --> 01:51:07,199
um coming in that were just one type of
unit typology.

1407
01:51:04,719 --> 01:51:11,119
» Any city manager? Anyone else want I'm
trying to figure out how we um don't

1408
01:51:09,440 --> 01:51:14,159
just have we can have a repeat of this
meeting, but I'm I'm trying to figure

1409
01:51:12,400 --> 01:51:19,679
out what the next steps would be. I know
in terms of these timelines, they're

1410
01:51:17,520 --> 01:51:23,679
very I mean the starting one was August
2026 and we're not selecting a partner

1411
01:51:21,920 --> 01:51:31,360
tonight and as far as I know August ends
in a week and a half. So I I'm just tell

1412
01:51:28,560 --> 01:51:36,560
all of us from what you've heard how you
want what's going to happen next. Is

1413
01:51:33,600 --> 01:51:40,639
staff going to make an a proposal of two
of the finalists maybe? I mean that

1414
01:51:38,639 --> 01:51:45,599
would be to me as opposed to having
three having maybe two I don't know but

1415
01:51:43,920 --> 01:51:49,280
I don't know.
>> You know I believe based on the input

1416
01:51:47,679 --> 01:51:53,760
provided from the subcommittee that
staff's prepared to actually bring

1417
01:51:50,639 --> 01:52:01,040
forward um a recommendation to council.
Um I think um as I said we we do have a

1418
01:51:58,719 --> 01:52:05,199
luxury of three qualified firms. Okay.
>> Um but I do believe we have um staff is

1419
01:52:03,840 --> 01:52:08,239
comfortable making a recommendation for
council. So

1420
01:52:06,080 --> 01:52:10,320
» Okay. And then being prepared to answer
or talk to the other ones. I'm sure.

1421
01:52:09,760 --> 01:52:14,639
Okay.
>> Yes.

1422
01:52:11,840 --> 01:52:18,080
» City manager. Anything else? Being that
this is a brave new world for all of us

1423
01:52:16,400 --> 01:52:22,080
in this room. Well, maybe not for the
applicants. They've been they've done

1424
01:52:19,440 --> 01:52:27,599
this before, but for us on this side for
a long time, right?

1425
01:52:24,080 --> 01:52:33,199
» No, I think uh staff's gotten some good
feedback both in presentations

1426
01:52:30,320 --> 01:52:37,760
and from the uh subcommittee. um we'll
work on uh most likely bringing forward

1427
01:52:35,920 --> 01:52:42,400
a recommendation to the full council
which ultimately uh will make the

1428
01:52:39,840 --> 01:52:48,480
decision and as we typically do with all
of our staff recommendations will likely

1429
01:52:45,040 --> 01:52:51,920
be our recommendation and maybe uh
option or alternative should the council

1430
01:52:50,480 --> 01:52:57,599
discussion
>> um warrant um going in that direction

1431
01:52:55,280 --> 01:53:01,040
» and will that be September October again
I'm just trying to not to put you can

1432
01:52:59,599 --> 01:53:04,000
say by the month you don't have to say
the exact meeting day because I know

1433
01:53:02,960 --> 01:53:07,920
there's a lot going on.
>> We would be targeting uh September,

1434
01:53:06,000 --> 01:53:11,760
October for bringing that forward
>> and so folks can know when it's coming

1435
01:53:09,760 --> 01:53:16,320
forward by subscribing to snapshot
because again we we want to give people

1436
01:53:14,400 --> 01:53:19,199
as much when we know that it's coming
forward. We want people to be able to

1437
01:53:17,599 --> 01:53:25,679
know how would they know when it's
coming forward.

1438
01:53:20,719 --> 01:53:30,880
Um well, we'll communicate it on our um
project web page and uh we can talk

1439
01:53:27,840 --> 01:53:34,159
about um maybe teasing out a long range
calendar as part of our agenda process

1440
01:53:32,719 --> 01:53:35,199
so people can see what items are coming
up.

1441
01:53:34,320 --> 01:53:38,719
» I think that would be great.
>> Yeah.

1442
01:53:36,000 --> 01:53:42,080
» Okay. Well, with that um again, thank
you all for being here. We appreciate

1443
01:53:40,560 --> 01:53:45,440
everything from both the applicants as
well as the public that came and

1444
01:53:43,440 --> 01:53:49,239
provided their input. Uh this meeting is
adjourned. Good night.