[0:04] All right.
[0:10] Matthew.
[0:18] » Yes sir.
>> Slideshows put together as well.
[0:23] » Okay.
>> And also have some of this. This is
[0:24] referenced in slideshow but I just
wanted to give everyone a copy like to
[0:28] see it
detail
[0:35] Davis. She's also helping me.
[0:42] » So we uh we operate Mid Point home
dealership on the floor next to Walmart.
[0:50] We do sell homes. We're also uh June 1st
we're going to be here. We're going for
[0:55] proposed development um to annex into
the city, but we'll talk about that June
[1:00] 1st. But before that meeting, I wanted
to kind of bring some awareness to uh
[1:04] roof pitch and potentially request a
roof pitch variance uh at that time for
[1:09] that development. So, I just wanted to
go through this uh slideshow with you.
[1:13] Uh the purpose of our development is to
create uh quality affordable housing,
[1:19] support working families and retirees,
increase local home ownership
[1:23] opportunities, and develop an
attractive, well-maintained
[1:26] neighborhood. Our request is approval of
a 312 roof pitch variance in place of
[1:31] the current 412 roof pitch requirement.
Our goal is to reduce or is not to
[1:37] reduce quality. Our goal is to keep
homes attainable for local residents
[1:41] while still maintaining an attractive de
development.
[1:47] Uh wanted to focus on housing
affordability. You know, it continues to
[1:50] rise. Increased construction costs
affect first-time home buyers, young
[1:54] families, retirees on a fixed income.
Workforce housing availability.
[2:00] uh ev every additional construction
requirement directly impacts monthly
[2:04] mortgage payments, buyer qual
qualification ability, and overall
[2:08] affordability.
[2:12] This here, I just outlined uh kind of
some key differences between 312 and 412
[2:17] roof systems. You can see in the picture
there, not a huge difference in the
[2:22] pitch. Uh with the 312, there is lower
construction cost. It's easier
[2:26] transportation. The manufactured homes
do travel down the road. That's part of
[2:30] transport. Uh reduced installation
expense and it also maintains an
[2:35] attractive appearance. With 412 roof
pitches, it requires a hinged roof
[2:39] system, which I'll have a picture of
that demonstrate what that is.
[2:43] Basically, it's transported with a flat
roof and then when it gets to the job
[2:46] site, the roof has to be hinged up to
give a higher pitch. Um, with that there
[2:51] is higher cost in manufacturing,
increased setup labor and additional
[2:55] on-site construction required.
Another representation of the difference
[3:01] between a 312 and a 412 roof pitch.
312 roof pitch home with the dormers.
[3:10] 412 roof pitch home without the dormers.
Why I have those pictures I think it's
[3:16] referenced in the next slide
with a
[3:21] RA or here's construction of a raised
roof system. So basically once it gets
[3:25] the job site
there's a 412 it does have a a higher
[3:30] pitch. Also that picture is a what they
call a kind of a a shotgun or front
[3:35] loader home. So that is it's not square
long ways you know it's more of a you
[3:40] also you know part of that figure is you
know the type of home you know instead
[3:44] of being long ways it's shown ways but
does have hinge roof transport system
[3:49] additional labor crew uh roof lifting
after delivery extensive finish work on
[3:54] site and the result is a substantially
higher total housing cost for homeowners
[4:00] and I wanted to note that these are not
these costs are not luxury upgrades they
[4:03] are transport and installation expenses
that ultimately increase the price
[4:07] families must pay for this home.
[4:13] Attached, which I'll give you copies of,
um, is the quotes from the manufacturer
[4:18] showing the cost of a 412 roof pitch and
the installation cost of that same 412
[4:23] roof system.
And that's the pictures of those
[4:26] attachments on the next slide
which I have they're blown up in your
[4:31] hands to kind of show the the additional
cost.
[4:35] anywhere we're looking from probably 15
to 20,000 in additional cost versus a
[4:41] 312 to a 412 roof per per home which you
know it might not sound like a lot but
[4:46] when you break it down to someone
starting out it goes to a monthly
[4:49] payment I mean that could be the
difference of having it
[4:53] » 15 to 20,000 depending on the style of
home
[4:56] » yeah I call Clayton Homes and I ask them
that same question which is in
[5:00] Milligville
>> and they have a 412 which is on the lot
[5:04] now and it's called the Ty Elite
>> and they told me I said what's the
[5:08] difference they said between 30 between
2500 and 3500 for the raised roof.
[5:15] » Let me ask you let me ask you a question
though. Yes ma'am.
[5:18] » Now when you do the mobile home roof
>> is it made with standard 2x4 truss?
[5:26] » It it all depends on that price sheet.
It could be 2x4 or 2x6 truss.
[5:30] » But the standard uh mobile home cuz I
went to visit them and did my research
[5:34] too.
>> Yes, ma'am.
[5:35] » That made with a 2 by two.
>> We don't have any 2 x2 trusses. No,
[5:41] ma'am.
>> And there is a difference in
[5:45] a 312 and a 412 even with the bracing on
the roof. I talked to an engineer about
[5:51] it as well.
>> Okay.
[5:53] » And there is a difference with the
bracing as well. Now, we for a long time
[5:59] the city of Sandersville allowed 312,
>> but then when we had a 312 roof mobile
[6:06] home next to a stick built house and it
didn't match up.
[6:12] » Mhm. So, do you think it's fair that we
have a requirement from the
[6:18] international building code that if I
wanted to build a home next to yours
[6:24] that I would have to use a certain type
of material and have a minimum, Ben,
[6:29] wherever he is, Ben knows he would not
give me the approval unless it was a 412
[6:35] pitch. So, do you think that somebody
that can put something next to me should
[6:42] have a less requirement in
qualifications on that property than I
[6:46] would have to?
>> So, I'm not coming here to change city
[6:50] code. That's not the reason of me
bringing this information in this, you
[6:53] know, to your attention.
>> You said this property located that you
[6:56] want to make this.
>> We want to annex this into the city. All
[6:59] right. It's adjacent to city property
that already has manufactured homes on
[7:03] it and there is no adjacent property
that has a 412 roof pitch or city homes
[7:07] that are stick built and we're looking
to do a manufactured housing development
[7:12] specifically for manufactured homes. So
there wouldn't be any stick built homes
[7:16] next to this. As a matter of fact, this
adjacent only county property and then
[7:21] R3 zoning next to us that has
manufactured homes and I didn't build
[7:26] them, but looking at them, they look to
have 312 roof pitches because they were
[7:30] annexed into the city.
>> Yeah, most of them most of the ones that
[7:32] come out do have a 312, but years ago
when we had um manufacturer
[7:39] representatives come in when we was
going over the change.
[7:43] » Yes, ma'am. they came in and they
explained everything to us probably more
[7:46] in depth than you are
>> and um we decided to go with a minimum
[7:51] coming into the city and I before 12 if
you have a double wide mobile home now
[7:56] there's so many cities I talked to one
of my council friends over in Grey
[8:01] Georgia county they don't even allow
double wides at all in their city so
[8:07] really it's a blessing that we're even
allowing it in the city limits at this
[8:12] point because so many communities are
going away from even allowing single
[8:17] wide or double wides inside their city
limits.
[8:20] » Yes, ma'am. I understand.
>> And also, we had quite a few people that
[8:26] came into our council meeting um
individuals that wanted a 312 pitch and
[8:31] we denied it. So, there's no way that I
can sit here and give you a special
[8:36] exception to bring in even if you're
bringing in a subdivision.
[8:40] » Yes, ma'am. um to bring in the 312. I
think that we started with our 412
[8:45] pitch. That's the ordinance in which we
started with and we shouldn't we
[8:49] shouldn't make any changes in it.
>> Okay. In addition, uh just touch on what
[8:54] you said. You said you talked to Clayton
and the home itself, it could only cost
[8:58] you said 2500. There is a hinge roof up
there that's a 29.25. This is from Cavco
[9:03] built out of Moltry, Georgia. And that
is correct. The price of that 412 is
[9:07] only 29.25. Same thing with the Clayton
cost. But what they're not telling you
[9:11] is the additional installation cost. And
this is a certified installer price
[9:15] sheet next to us. You see a 32 uh wide
uh home set up and delivered 6500. If
[9:21] you add the raised roof to it, it's
additional 4,000. Then you have a gable
[9:25] ends which is on either side. You can
have a gable ends on that raised roof.
[9:28] It's a,000 per inch. So now we're
talking at 12,500 in additional to that.
[9:34] You're talking about additional um
insulation that has to go in there
[9:38] because of the roof.
>> Because of the roof.
[9:40] » I understand that. But when you came in
and you immediately and I looked at some
[9:45] of the council members faces when you
said 15 or $20,000, they're thinking
[9:50] that's just the difference in the roof
pitch, which that information wasn't
[9:54] correct.
>> It was the additional things that have
[9:57] to go in there have to go in there
because of the raised pitch, but not the
[10:01] pitch itself. it. But it's all as one.
You can't have the raised pitch without
[10:05] those additional costs. You understand
what I'm saying? Like if you brought
[10:08] that totally
>> 2500 additional charge, you're gonna
[10:12] have a house sitting there with a flat
roof that's still got to be raised.
[10:15] » So it's not a final product. The final
cost is anywhere from 15 to 20,000.
[10:19] That's what I was trying to explain. I
wasn't trying to mislead anyone. That's
[10:21] why I have the two price sheets side by
side and I give you all a copy of both
[10:25] with with the prices highlighted. So I
just wanted to clarify that. How many
[10:31] houses are you looking at putting in
this?
[10:34] » We have 33 lots.
>> Okay.
[10:36] » 33 lots. And like I said, we can discuss
that more, you know, on June 1st when
[10:41] we're on the docket there.
>> Um, but man, I just like to at least get
[10:45] through the slideshow prepared before we
finish.
[10:48] » And all of them will be what you're
asking on that particular 33 lots that
[10:54] all of them be 312.
>> That's what I would I would like to go
[10:59] in with an, you know, a variance to be
able to allow the 12.
[11:04] » One of this, one of that, one of this,
one of
[11:06] » I like the whole the whole community
kind of, you know, the aesthetically
[11:08] pleasing and similar. You know, I
wouldn't ask something of the neighbor
[11:11] that, you know, this person wasn't, you
know, you know, forced to do.
[11:18] » We are. Yes, sir. On June 1st. Yes. So,
we're on the docket. Um, moving forward
[11:23] now, not all the men who are going going
back, there is a dorma conflict. Now,
[11:27] this isn't on every home, but the larger
home. So, if you want a fourbedroom or
[11:31] fivebedroom home, which you know, a lot
of a lot of families are looking for
[11:35] that, you know, have homes, a lot of
kids, you have to go to a 32 wide house,
[11:40] talking the double wide um size
requirements. When you go to a 412 roof
[11:44] system, they the manufacturers will not
build a 32 wide home. Now, this is just
[11:50] a larger home. It's not a smaller home
with a 412 roof that also has dormers.
[11:56] So you will not be able to have a 412
roof pitch on a 32 wide house. So we're
[12:01] talking a four or five bedroomedroom
home with also having a dormer which is
[12:06] you know a dormer I think I have some
pictures of it is an aesthetic that is
[12:08] also required in the city in the city
code. So it kind of conflicts with the
[12:13] larger home. Now we can't do a
three-bedroom home 412 roof pitch
[12:17] additional cost but we have dors
>> are those dormers that way so you can
[12:21] put the cover Porsche on it. Is that
what that is?
[12:23] » Some and some are just for aesthetics.
Uh I think I have a picture of some
[12:27] » requirement.
>> It's a city requirement
[12:29] » to have a dormer
>> to have a dormer. Yes, sir.
[12:32] » Dormer or a bay window. So like So that
is a dormer.
[12:35] » Yeah.
>> But don't you have to have is it a
[12:38] covered porch?
>> There is a covered porch. Yes, sir.
[12:41] Yeah, there's a covered porch ordinance.
There's also a dormer ordinance. So I
[12:45] don't
>> you know if you need a dormer and
[12:48] covered porch or the covered porch I
don't know. I'm not that would be a
[12:52] a planning department question.
>> My um
[12:56] after this I just and I don't even know
whose home it is but I'm gonna tell you
[12:58] about it because it's a compliment to
them but when you're leaving your house
[13:02] and you're going back down in Tabby and
you get popppler hang a right by the
[13:07] body shop somebody's really I think that
house burned or something
[13:11] » and it really looks good I mean they've
got it set up the front porch my concern
[13:16] is basically your your masonary
permanent underpinning
[13:22] » um that you have those porches those
porches
[13:25] » that you um have the lot sizes and the
setbacks.
[13:30] » Absolutely.
>> I I think that's the density
[13:34] um of manufacturing homes is what can
really harm you when you cram so needy
[13:40] in there and create some density. I I'm
not really I I think definitely the 4oot
[13:46] looks better from an aesthetical
standpoint, but the 312 versus the 412
[13:50] is not a big issue for me. My big issue
is those other factors. Uh and and even
[13:56] you could go back to PNZ and possibly
>> I don't even know structure of 412 only
[14:02] in certain um certain zonings like R1
has to be 42, you know, 42.
[14:08] » That's kind of my thoughts on it. We've
been sitt
[14:10] » or if you're R3, you could do a 312.
>> We've been sitting here talking about
[14:13] trying to get affordable housing
affordable housing. I agree. We need we
[14:18] need to stay with 412, but in certain
areas like this isolated
[14:23] might not be the right word, but
everything's going to be the same.
[14:28] » But that's still not fair.
>> It's still not fair because I mean, if
[14:32] you're going to turn around and just
because he's putting all of them in one
[14:36] spot.
>> Yeah.
[14:37] » Versus somebody that's putting one on a
single
[14:39] » has to be four.
>> There's no way around it. That's the
[14:42] minimum.
>> You can't do a flat roof anymore, I
[14:44] guess. Oh, you could do one, but you
have to have what they have like gutters
[14:47] around in order to make sure that the
water and then inside that flat roof has
[14:51] to still have to have a little arch root
so the water can run and have a draining
[14:55] system.
>> But again, it's still not right that
[15:01] we're denying somebody that's doing a
single family just because he wants to
[15:08] do 30 units. Now, sure, we do need
housing. What's the average cost of that
[15:13] house that you want to put in that
subdivision?
[15:16] » Uh the finished product will be anywhere
from 180 to 200,000 somewhere that fall
[15:20] apart.
>> Whereas if we're going to raise roof,
[15:22] we're going to be over 200,000
220.
[15:25] » Okay. Good. Just where I want you to be.
>> We can find builders cuz I talked to one
[15:31] and a developer. She called me and she
said with these homes because she
[15:37] thought the guy that was doing the the
what is it? The town houses. She spoke
[15:42] with him about the prices and all that
kind of stuff and she wants to come and
[15:46] talk to the city and saying that the
$200,000 mark for a double wide mobile
[15:53] home. And hey, let's if we all want to
be honest and be truthful, you know,
[15:58] just like that car I paid all that money
for, a a mobile home depreciates in
[16:02] value.
And just like I told the woman, I said,
[16:06] "If we're talking and the mayor sitting
here saying about we need the housing,
[16:10] but we also need generational wealth
where I'm not just building this unit
[16:16] just for me, but my son can come by
later and use that same property and and
[16:22] make and make some money off of it."
>> I understand. So, what I'm saying is
[16:25] there's a place, there's some people
that want to buy it, but if you want to
[16:28] be in the city of Sandersville, I don't
believe we as a council should turn
[16:33] around and lower the standard of what we
said that we was going to do after all
[16:39] this conversation just because you
saying that we need housing. Yeah, we
[16:44] need housing. And there's people out
there that will build build a $200,000
[16:47] house. They just need the land to build
a house on. Right, Susan?
[16:52] » Hold on. Now there is a report and I
don't want to get into it now because I
[16:55] don't have all the details but uh
manufactured housing did appreciate more
[16:58] than uh single family residential
housings and that was a report by
[17:02] realtor.com they put out just to show
you and I'm in the trade so obviously I
[17:06] read these things that come across my
feed but that that's a that's a fact
[17:10] that that's happened the past couple
years. Um just just throwing it out
[17:14] there.
>> Yeah. I had a brother-in-law that bought
[17:17] a mobile home for almost $200,000
and he just got it paid off. and turned
[17:23] around and he told my husband and I he
went to go borrow money because he was
[17:27] going to buy a fancy car loan and guess
what? It wasn't worth but $50,000.
[17:32] » Well, it's a the difference if you have
it a fixed to the property or not. If
[17:35] it's used all the title, you know, you
can surrender title on these things and
[17:38] they still become
>> I'm just showing you that it does not
[17:40] appreciate.
>> There's different ways to approach it.
[17:42] There is a fact.
>> Next, uh so okay, with this development
[17:47] like you mentioned, we still want to do
front porches. We still want to do the
[17:50] concrete masonry under uh underpinning.
They'll have the dormers. Um we plan on
[17:55] landscaping and have upgraded exterior
finishes kind of to make this
[17:59] aesthetically pleasing community.
Benefits of Sandersville. We've kind of
[18:04] touched on a few of them already. expand
affordable housing inventory, encourage
[18:08] responsible development, support local
economic growth, provide attainable home
[18:12] home ownership opportunities, and the
request requested variance supports
[18:16] affordability, practicality, and
long-term community growth.
[18:22] Uh, we respectfully ask zoning to
approve our 312 roof variance for the
[18:28] proposed manufactured home subdivision.
Most important message is the requested
[18:32] variance helps keeps homes affordable
without sacrificing appearance or
[18:36] neighborhood quality. And thank you for
your time and consideration.
[18:41] » All right. Thank you.
>> Thank you so much.
[18:45] » Thank you.
>> All right. Carson, you want to give a
[18:50] little a little update? Main Street.
Um last week we uh the mayor actually
[18:58] got notified that we have officially um
been recognized as a main street
[19:02] community again for the 2026 year. So we
are officially accredited community. Um
[19:08] DDA has lots of plans. We have our
training um this Thursday um and um some
[19:14] hotel talk as well. So a lot going on um
that we're getting excited about.
[19:18] » Did you get a chance to update my
>> I saw your email. I didn't really know
[19:22] what that was about.
>> Yeah. Yeah. You sent me um the May 29th
[19:27] um cleanup for my district and to change
the date.
[19:31] » I thought you read that other one.
>> I was going to call you later.
[19:34] » Yeah, but I need that this evening so I
can go ahead and get
[19:39] » Thank y'all.
>> Thank you.
[19:42] » 29th. No, they had it on
[19:52] everybody.
[19:59] Okay.
I had in my CIP uh to uh do some
[20:05] pressure washing on our clear wells and
kind of clean them out, get all the
[20:09] sediment and stuff out. And uh I know I
kind of touched on uh USG, you know,
[20:15] they handle all our tank maintenance and
have been for the past 15 or so years.
[20:19] Um, they had put together a quote for
us. Uh, now they the the tanks, uh, I
[20:27] don't know if y'all been out and looked
at any of them, but they they in dire
[20:32] need of of a good a good rehab, a good
wash down, a good paint. U, we got some
[20:39] cracking going on.
So, um, I reached out to Lee Smallwood
[20:45] here and got him to get us get us
something together as far as a a
[20:49] maintenance plan for
>> tanks. This is exterior.
[20:54] » Yeah, this is this will be uh interior
and exterior.
[20:59] » So, I guess you're talking about the
raised elevated tanks, hospital road,
[21:03] Kin Road, and the pedestphere tank.
>> They're already doing those. These are
[21:06] the clear wells. Is that the treatment
plant?
[21:09] So above ground
>> like in furn.
[21:18] » That's right.
>> But the thing about the whales, you
[21:21] know, you get sediment and that sediment
builds up in the bottom of those tanks
[21:25] because they don't never get drained.
>> Okay.
[21:27] » And uh and it starts causing water
quality problems, you know, throughout
[21:32] the city, you know, with sand, silt,
>> dirty water, you know, those type of
[21:37] problems. So, um, and it's it's really
more than than we can do, you know,
[21:42] because when you go in those tanks, it's
got to be disinfected and, you know,
[21:46] everything's got to be, you know, done
right. So, and that's what they do.
[21:53] Attachment E. I don't see a a cost. I
mean, it's only
[21:57] » So, it's um broken down if you'll see
behind. I don't know if it's clear what
[22:02] I'm talking about.
>> Four of them.
[22:05] » It's broken down on the very last page
is the maintenance plan.
[22:10] » Eh, it's the very last page.
>> And I will say um in the budget, we did
[22:17] not budget quite enough to start it this
year. Of course, we can make amend the
[22:22] budget going forward. Um so that's why
of course we put on the agenda because
[22:26] it would be a new contract and it's
something that we did.
[22:29] We wouldn't be way over budget though. I
don't think we just didn't budget quite
[22:34] enough.
>> So the total is the 173 23
[22:36] » 27,000 for this year.
>> See it's it's by year.
[22:40] » Oh, okay.
>> Another page.
[22:43] » It's the very last page. I'm sorry on E.
It's the very last
[22:47] » very last.
>> Uhhuh.
[22:49] » So it would be a maintenance agreement
annually. However, Kenan is reviewing
[22:54] the contract, so he's going to have to
make some changes, but this would be
[22:57] annually. Correct. So we we don't have
to stick to it if we don't want to. We
[23:02] can get out within so many days. Can't
remember exactly. Contract said 90 days.
[23:07] » Yeah. So you're not committed.
>> So you're saying annually pay this 20
[23:10] something thousand. Now though the raise
tanks that they come in and they paint
[23:15] and they clean out. That's like a
fiveyear deal, isn't it?
[23:18] » It's an annual service as well.
>> Yeah.
[23:21] » But you're not doing any painting or
anything like that on
[23:25] » Yeah. They keep up the paint
just where there's chip in that thing.
[23:29] That's not the whole entire thing.
>> We paint them on cycles. It's 8 to 10
[23:35] years usually on the next year cycle.
Concrete it's a little less. It usually
[23:39] go 78 years. And that's why the the
South's newer. That's why we push that.
[23:42] » Yeah. But I see I see y'all going up
that and washing it, especially the one
[23:45] on Hospital Road. But I don't see the
white paint going on. I guess that's
[23:49] when I went inside.
>> We've done it. I think the hospital
[23:52] works about two years ago.
I thought so.
[23:54] » Mhm. Was it this year
>> the disparity um with your your peaks
[24:01] like in 27 and 29 it's 312 and 433
but appears that the work's the same.
[24:09] Huh. Well, it appears that there's
something
[24:12] » we pushed to try to make defendant the
budget. We pushed the work that South
[24:15] tank year three and so see if you see
the first two years only $2,000 a year.
[24:20] That's just pay for the inspection cost.
And then that's that's why they're not
[24:23] all the same at the bottom because you
sort out when it goes up to 14,000
[24:28] when it goes out to year 2000.
>> Oh, I
[24:33] » 2032 was 21.
>> So 27 and 29, but it says visual
[24:37] inspection report and then 29 says
visual inspection report 14 and two. So
[24:44] you must going to be do something in 29
different from 27. Mhm.
[24:48] » Basically in a nutshell though, you're
paying you're just spreading out those
[24:50] upfront fees to get the upfront work
completed to clean the trays outside the
[24:54] tank and to paint them. That's what
you're paying for like over the first
[24:57] five years. And then when that comes
down, then you're just paying the base
[25:00] fee of 20 8516 annually. So that next
time we paint them like in year I showed
[25:05] it on
>> 2032 when they get the three of them get
[25:09] painted on the outside. Yeah.
>> You're still paying the same fee like
[25:11] the fee almost drops.
>> So basically you just pay a maintenance
[25:14] fee as you go along. That way you don't
have to pay the big whammo every six,
[25:18] seven, eight years, 10 years when you
paint. Does
[25:20] » that make sense?
>> Well,
[25:24] » I'm I'm I'm slow to go.
>> No, I just I just don't understand that.
[25:30] Okay, you're going to do it for 27 this
year,
[25:33] » right?
>> You're going to jump up, which 31 isn't
[25:35] that much more, but jumping up to the 43
in the year three and then there's not
[25:41] that much difference. And when you say
that you're taking some of the whammy
[25:46] out from the first initial, if you
didn't take the whammy out, what would
[25:50] be the first initial painting?
>> The reason it's different is if you look
[25:53] at 2000, the South Plank clear well
tank, the first one, when that next year
[25:57] is painted in 2028 and that you're
paying 14,000, you go up from 2 to 14,
[26:02] it goes up that $12,000, you start
paying that 14,000 for five years. So
[26:07] it's about
>> Hold on, give me a second on this one.
[26:10] But but what I was questioning the 29
looks like you went back to what you did
[26:14] in 27
>> at that south plant according to the
[26:20] green dot
>> 2020 you're doing Yes sir you're doing
[26:23] we're doing inspection every year the
green the green is visual inspection
[26:27] blue is wash out and yellow's
>> paintwork but so the exterior renovation
[26:31] visual inspection report is 14131
>> so
[26:35] » and then the very next year it went back
to a visual inspection report for 143.
[26:40] » You're not paying the 14131 is not the
cost of just the exterior renovation in
[26:44] year three. The 2028 the the actual
total cost of renovation is spread out
[26:49] in year 28. That 14131 29 30 31 32. So
those five years you're spreading out
[26:55] the cost of that upfront renovation. So
the upfront renovation is actually 5*
[26:59] 410,000.
>> So you're allowing that to go. Oh
[27:03] » just a yearly maintenance plan.
>> You're almost amateurizing.
[27:09] They'll come in and paint all the tanks,
but you'll pay for it over a period of
[27:12] time.
>> You have over five years.
[27:15] » It makes it easier for cities to get
into the contr
[27:19] you're just paying the base fees,
maintenance fees, so to speak, that's
[27:22] when like now with elevated tanks,
that's when it's easier for the city
[27:25] because the elevated tanks would be
you're talking $150,000 to maintain
[27:29] those.
>> So, it's a concrete tank's easier, but
[27:32] it's still a cost.
>> That's it.
[27:33] » So, the the 28 cost is far more than the
141. Yeah,
[27:38] » you're just allowing it to carry over in
the subsequent two years.
[27:41] » It's the same as the year one 11580.
>> We're just trying to get it under that
[27:45] year one budget on here the 20 whatever
the budget was. We're trying to get it
[27:49] under that number. Why the fees are all
kind of weird the first few years?
[27:53] » Okay.
>> And why are all the firm crash the north
[27:56] plant and north plant 2? Why are those
all visual inspections for the 2026? Cuz
[28:03] they've been like not looked at or
something. Those are all extra
[28:07] renovations in 2026. The front crest
actually we're painting cleaning the
[28:11] paint every one of those things. They
never the two behind the the his office
[28:15] have never been painted at all. The
front crest tank was painted I think
[28:19] when it was built has never been painted
since then. And the south tank was
[28:21] painted when it was built. So that was
good shape.
[28:24] » I'm trying to remember Mr. Robert was
there when that was built
[28:26] » two years ago.
>> They pushed it out in 2028.
[28:31] » Uhhuh.
Right.
[28:33] » And this do you still have to have all
inspections looking for the screens EPD
[28:37] Daniel the sanitary surveys they have to
go through?
[28:39] » Right.
>> It makes it easier on him just to be
[28:41] able to give him a report and
inspections and see everything.
[28:43] » They say this was next year
everything
[28:59] » I had something else. Uh
item number number nine.
[29:10] » Sotion
[29:22] to award a bid of 27,000
160.
[29:36] Incorporated for the watershed
protection plan um sampling. I know
[29:43] David kind of spoke on it here.
[29:48] » Yeah. Back in January, uh we knew it was
coming down the line. Uh so we reached
[29:53] out to a company and u they was offering
to come to Sandersville and do our uh
[30:00] sampling for us.
>> How often do you have to do that?
[30:02] » This will be um
>> this is a state requirement or federal?
[30:08] » Yeah, it's a federal
>> and it's done. I'm hoping I'm hoping
[30:13] that that it'll kind of scale down, you
know, once they get the results, you
[30:18] know, from this first test, then they'll
send you a sample plan.
[30:21] » You know, the last time you was good on
these, so let's let's do these.
[30:25] » What was the last time?
>> This is this is a whole new
[30:33] discharge of the treatment. Well, it's
kind it's kind of a umbrella under storm
[30:38] water.
>> Yeah. You remember you said in January
[30:40] that it was coming down the
>> pipeline
[30:53] » just to see how
impacts it
[31:02] but there's a lot there's a lot to it
there's a biological side and there's a
[31:06] chemical side of it right I mean they
collect They collect uh things like fish
[31:11] and microorganisms and snails and and
all that and keep them alive and uh and
[31:20] go in and analyze
all
[31:24] » and Alex remind me I know turnup seed
got this board but why didn't we get
[31:30] on this
>> after talking to David um this is kind
[31:35] of the people that that they're do that
David has got he's got other communities
[31:41] he's looking after and they're
>> I would still get another bid cuz I mean
[31:45] you just get you get pigeon holed into
one bid and I mean I don't care if it is
[31:49] turnup seed I think we still need to get
at least two bits
[31:53] » probably would be bad
>> a minimum that's right
[32:04] » are we working timeline here on this
>> uh just by the
[32:10] You got
[32:18] to get two at least one. Thank you.
[32:29] » Good afternoon. How are you today? fun.
[32:34] » So, I've got um give you all an update
real quick on uh building and zoning and
[32:41] code enforcement what we've had going on
since January. Um
[32:46] we've issued out u 71 permits since um
January 1st. 50 of those have been
[32:54] inspected and closed and approved. Uh 21
still open on um the code enforcement
[33:01] side.
We have
[33:08] 25
dilapidated house unfit structures. Um
[33:13] open uh citations have been issued on
some of those and more issu citations
[33:19] will be going out in uh the next week or
two. So, we've been been kind of busy
[33:26] trying to keep everything get everything
cleaned up.
[33:29] » And I can email y'all that report. I
didn't make copies of that report. I'll
[33:32] email it to you.
>> Um, so then I have on the agenda
[33:39] is
attachment.
[33:43] » So, we're attached.
[33:50] » What number? B, which is the complaint
509 Street.
[33:56] » All right. So, Bridge Street, um,
they're requesting a special exception
[34:01] for the 312 roof pitch. Um, and that
they turned in a floor plan. It's a they
[34:10] meet every other um setback
requirements. They're going to do the
[34:13] masonry foundation, the uh covered front
porch. They met all of those. They're
[34:19] just asking for that.
>> Have they purchased the Milwaukee yet?
[34:22] » No.
>> Okay.
[34:24] » PNZ say
>> PNZ did uh approve it.
[34:30] » They approved it with the 312.
>> PNZ once had approved it pending the um
[34:38] » 412.
412.
[34:41] » PNC said 412
>> with the contingency that it was a 412.
[34:46] Look what PN said on
>> what's the difference you and I talking
[34:52] what's the difference between 312
>> one inch and 12 ft money
[34:58] » the money uh it's going to be about the
same that Mr. Bang was talking about
[35:02] it's going to be, you know, $25,000
roughly on the difference between the
[35:08] setup. Uh what was the height again? You
just say that the difference
[35:12] » the difference in a 312 and a 412 is 1
in and 12 ft. So one inch per 12T. Oh, I
[35:18] understand.
>> So a 28 foot wide would be two two 14t
[35:22] halves. It'll be an inch and a half per
side between 312 and 412.
[35:27] Mobile Homes roofing doesn't it doesn't
even have the same 412. I talked to
[35:33] engineers
>> they their 312 pitch has a 2 by two that
[35:37] they break in half and they put it
together on site with the metal clips. A
[35:42] standard home has to have a minimum if
it's um trust engineered you can use a
[35:49] 412 because it's an engineered
structured unit. But if not, you have to
[35:54] have a 2x6 that is built through. And
again, I'll say the same thing. The
[36:00] modular home, mobile home has not been
purchased at this time. These are the
[36:04] rules and regulations. I know you
continuously bring us this same thing
[36:08] because they have the right
>> but once planned zoning had denied it.
[36:13] Um why you're back, I don't know.
>> Um but
[36:17] » because that's the rules that
>> we we heard this one though.
[36:22] » No, ma'am. We are this one with the last
one, didn't we?
[36:24] » This one, they weren't on the last.
>> They wasn't on the last one, but a
[36:27] single summon on the same street anyway.
But anyway, if they want to do it,
[36:32] that's fine. But what I pray that Ben is
doing because we set this policy and
[36:39] they have the right true enough to come.
But I sent you
[36:44] 10 mobile home manufacturers that have
on the ground 412 pitch roofs and they
[36:51] fall within that price range that the
young man that just left here they fall
[36:57] in that same price range. So um when
they come to you since this is new when
[37:02] they come to you are you actually
telling them that the policy is blas
[37:06] blas that you have to have 412
>> all the requirements.
[37:10] » Okay. And do you say
>> package that
[37:13] » good? Do you also say I'm not endorsing
any of these places, but they do have
[37:19] 412 on um on site because most of the
time when you come to city council and
[37:25] you go to planning and zoning that
they're pretty much sticking with the
[37:29] policy that has been set for is that
conversation going forward.
[37:32] » I don't get involved in telling them
where they can and can't go because I
[37:36] don't want that liability in my office.
It's not about telling them where where
[37:40] they can't go. It's giving them options.
>> It's going to be just like me giving
[37:43] them Mr. Jeffrey, Mr. Dennis, and Miss
Deborah. These are the people that can
[37:47] do the work, but I'll leave out the rest
of you. I don't feel that's something my
[37:51] office needs to do.
>> These are people that have 412 pitch on
[37:56] lot,
>> right?
[37:57] » So, they can go look anywhere they want,
but that some people that come to you
[38:02] just need examples of places that they
can go. So,
[38:07] That that just doesn't make sense to The
the issue is on this one they took two
[38:12] lots and put them together made one lot
meet all set back side all that stuff
[38:16] and you saying the difference about
$20,000
[38:20] » roughly
>> to me I understand what made me say it I
[38:24] understand about you know state 412
everywhere but I think that's the reason
[38:30] you call in that area
some being torn down anything we put in
[38:37] there whe 312 or Hopefully going to be
an improvement to the neighborhood
[38:46] $20,000.
>> Yeah, cuz you believe in that $20,000
[38:49] price and that credit $20,000 price
isn't right. So I could have told you it
[38:53] was 50,000. You would have believed that
too. Huh?
[38:56] » That's not true.
[39:00] » Well, I still say that this council, we
already denied enough of them. and we
[39:03] said that a policy we're here to set
policy not make uh accommodations and
[39:09] this this policy has been set and that's
what we need to go about
[39:14] » I'm just expressing my opinion
>> I know it's going to be a voter too what
[39:18] » did um but you said PNZ approved it but
we had 412
[39:24] » do the 412
>> so okay
[39:27] » that's that's how what P&Z moved forward
[39:32] » the next one I have is the one we tabled
last time when I called in the
[39:35] annexation on North Anderson um by Mr.
Daniels. Um they went in and asked asked
[39:43] to change their uh request from 10 lots
down to um
[39:50] four lots.
Yeah, four lots. Um they are still
[39:54] contiguous. They they've um went in and
reserveyed
[40:00] um this uh Alex and I had a conversation
with Miss Hartley this morning about it
[40:06] um and how to get water there. Uh it's
going to be water and sewage is going to
[40:11] be pretty expensive. Um
>> yeah. So, Alex, you want to explain
[40:15] about the two different ways for the
four there. You know, they first said 10
[40:20] homes, so we thought we would go up
Anderson Drive with water and sewer. So,
[40:24] we went ahead and got an estimate on
that and the estimate for both put us
[40:29] approximately around 800,000.
>> 800,000.
[40:34] » Yeah. But didn't we say bring everything
in? They gonna bring it in.
[40:38] » Then there is another option. If they're
only doing four homes, we would only
[40:43] have the cost of the taps because we
could pull the water, not sewer, but we
[40:47] could pull the water down the ridge.
>> Yeah. Their driveway uh comes out on
[40:51] Ridge Road there. Um, we could actually
do four tasks for the mobile homes and
[40:57] » with just water alone.
>> With just water alone.
[40:59] » Do they have 412 pitch?
>> They will be doing 412 pitch
[41:03] » and I don't get into the housing part of
it.
[41:06] » They initially asked for an exception on
two of them. So they said sent those
[41:12] back and they're going to do all of
them.
[41:14] » So So they're just just four lots and
you can serve them with four tabs. it it
[41:20] will not grant access to water to the to
the lots not in the on Anderson Drive
[41:27] that they're not bringing in. This only
grant them water to the four that
[41:31] they're bringing.
>> That's right.
[41:33] » And how much would that be?
>> Just the cost of
[41:37] I'm with that.
>> Well, we when people are coming in Hey,
[41:41] but that's true. But when people are
wanting to come into the city limits and
[41:45] they just want to come in now, is this
going to be rental property or is it
[41:47] going to be home ownership? land on. So
why don't why is me not bringing in the
[41:53] whole the whole parcel?
>> Because if you bringing in four lots,
[41:57] that's not helping out with tax base.
>> Well, I was going to say if we're going
[42:00] to spend all that money for water,
>> which I don't do sewage anyway, they're
[42:04] going to have to bring in the whole 10.
But if you can cut down the cost on that
[42:08] and just add the four lots. What I
didn't want to do is spend How much is
[42:12] just water to the entire 10 lots? Why
it's still like $200?
[42:16] » Yeah. So if we were going to spend that,
I'd say you got to bring in the whole
[42:19] 10.
>> But now if you can eclipse that and
[42:24] sewage is just something that we have to
deal with it down the road like we did
[42:28] at
>> Walden Wood.
[42:30] » Did you get clarification from them
then? Are they coming to the meeting to
[42:35] discuss their plans?
>> And make sure too that um
[42:38] » I'll give the four lots if you can do it
that way.
[42:41] » Piggybacking on you. So if so the the
lots that you talking about that's going
[42:46] to be the four lots and it's just water
only not sewers.
[42:50] » Okay. And that water the the taps that
are going in cannot be hijacked.
[42:56] » That's what that was my question.
>> But you see what I'm saying where
[43:00] somebody can turn around and they you
have the four lots. See y'all got to be
[43:05] looking a little deeper than this. Y'all
y'all stay on.
[43:08] » These will be separate household. It
doesn't matter
[43:10] » if you put that meter on that property,
right? And they have a plumber, which
[43:16] we've already gone through this process,
that can tap in to one of those taps,
[43:21] even though it's not they're not
supposed to. It's illegal. Can they get
[43:24] tap in and create a water uh service on
the other lots that are in the back?
[43:31] That's my question.
>> Yeah. I mean, that that could go with
[43:33] anybody.
>> From what I'm understanding, you're just
[43:35] going to run it from Red Dra back.
You're not going to run it down around
[43:38] the front of the
>> car meters will be on the rightway
[43:42] » back on ridge
>> on ridge road
[43:44] » and they got to run theirs back. Yeah.
>> Yeah. And they got
[43:48] » driveway ement they own it.
>> Yeah. It's only four meters.
[43:54] » Listen,000
for six more. If you annex in you won't
[43:59] ever pay for that.
>> You may be required to provide folks if
[44:02] you annex in. I need to go back and look
at the SDS. Like just
[44:06] » the only time I thought we were required
was there was 100% annexation,
[44:10] » right?
>> If you're annexing in the property,
[44:13] they're going to be in the city limits.
I I would need to look at the SDS to see
[44:18] what it says. Do you because normally
you have to provide water and sewer to
[44:24] your
>> I think if this I'm surprised on that
[44:27] because we can
[44:33] » it would be in the ordinance. It' be in
the service delivery.
[44:36] » I'm just wondering if that's forced
annexation versus volunteer.
[44:40] » Well, let's take a little wait for legal
>> and for them to come for they're not
[44:46] coming which they may come. I think I'm
not you have
[44:52] all
the table number six.
[44:58] » All right.
You have anything?
[45:02] » No.
>> So, the only other thing on the agenda
[45:05] that we didn't mention was the um second
reason for the table of permitted uses
[45:11] that allowed the special exception for
the Bitcoin data centers.
[45:15] » Okay. The language. Yes, we have to read
it twice.
[45:18] » Yeah, we don't have any new ones coming
in. We're just cleaning it up. So, if
[45:22] anything should happen.
[45:29] » Yeah, that's right.
[45:34] » That's right.
[45:40] » Well, I had something, but I'mma save it
for the next council meeting. But we do
[45:45] have um May 29th we're having the uh
district one cleanup and the street that
[45:52] has been selected is Hind Street. So
we'll start at 9
[45:57] um 9 until what did I say 12? 9 until
12. Um we'll be at the at the Christine
[46:06] Harris Park. Now will the city be
providing um Gatorade water for all the
[46:11] volunteers that come up? We provide
Carson. What did you provide to the
[46:15] wife?
>> They just got trash bags in the picker
[46:17] upper thing.
>> Well, we need to give them some water
[46:20] cuz it's hot. It's only 90 degrees.
Gatorade and water. Just get a cooler
[46:24] and bring it on up there.
[46:28] » Okay.
>> Only thing I'm getting a lot of
[46:30] complaining about the um breakwood where
the school zone start and stop
[46:37] » and um and it is going over the
weekends. The only weekend cuz I went to
[46:41] church yesterday. That's the way I go by
prayer. And those lights, those uh
[46:45] lights are still flashing, giving you
what speeds on. This on a Sunday night.
[46:49] I went to church. I left home about
1:00. I came back from church around 4
[46:53] and they still they were still on.
>> They're not writing tickets. So, they're
[46:57] just making you
>> see people thinking that they are.
[46:59] That's what they're afraid of because
they thinking that once they see that
[47:01] light, the flashing lights that will
actually signify when the flashing
[47:05] lights on top of that sign, they'll be
flashing when it's in.
[47:08] » It always gives you
>> But it's always going to give you Even
[47:11] on the weekends all kind of like a
hospital.
[47:14] » Okay. One thing we do too, we need to
give them the time zone because a lot of
[47:19] people don't know the time zone comes on
and go off. See, they they get confused
[47:22] with that especially Monday through
Friday. They'll get very confused which
[47:26] start at 7 8 and end at 910. They'll get
very confused especially when you
[47:30] » So that's on that same sign. I'll just
take a picture of it and send it to you
[47:34] so you'll know what to tell them. The
sign says,
[47:40] » so the sign does say the time that it's
like say for instance 9 to 3 is when it
[47:44] being clocked. But even though it shows
the it shows the speed, if they're going
[47:49] over excess speed, will it still clock a
ticket?
[47:54] » Okay. So what you have is the school's
own hours.
[47:56] » Yeah.
>> Schools on hours at 25 miles.
[48:02] speed limit.
[48:11] » So it doesn't matter. It's still
>> during the school hours,
[48:15] » right?
>> Yes. Only during
[48:20] » only to the hours that are posted
>> and I know I know like going toward that
[48:24] is no uh time there, but on the opposite
side coming off from the fall line is a
[48:29] time. One side have the time on the
other side don't have the time.
[48:33] » Okay.
>> That's what I'm talking about. Yeah.
[48:36] Because like when you go toward the
schoolhouse, there's nothing there. But
[48:40] you coming back from the school off in
the off in the line got you got one. You
[48:47] only got let know coming off the ball
line coming toward you.
[48:51] » I noticed that too. So that so in and
with everything being said if you're
[48:57] going over the speed you're going to get
a ticket whether the school is open or
[49:00] not right? No, no, only during those
hours. You're all the speed will always
[49:06] flash no matter time of day. It runs 20.
>> Well, I can understand what the chief
[49:09] said.
>> Chief is only during those hours.
[49:12] » And you have to go 11%
>> 110 after. But I'm saying after those
[49:17] hours, if you're going 11 over will you
be?
[49:19] » No. No.
>> Okay.
[49:20] » Only during
weird hours 7:08 to 80.
[49:24] » Hey Chief. Chief, if you if it's if it's
if you go over that that 11 miles an
[49:31] hour over when it's past that time, will
you still get a ticket is my question.
[49:41] » Outside of the hours,
[49:49] you know, you called me, Dia called me
about that.
[49:52] » I got ticketed at 11.
something in the day. I understood that
[49:58] it was from the 701 to 801 and the 309
to 409. You see what I'm saying? So, are
[50:05] we only going to get a ticket during
that time or you'll get it all day
[50:08] during that?
[50:13] » Yeah. So, that's what I didn't
understand because I know what you had
[50:15] told me about when you got your ticket.
So, I didn't know if it was active
[50:20] outside those hours.
>> That's why I picked to do a hearing cuz
[50:23] I'm confused. That's why I brought up so
many people still complaining about
[50:30] » again positively during those students
on hours
[50:35] go over 11 miles or you will be
>> so 11.
[50:41] » Let me double check outside of those
hours so I can have
[50:45] » and and even on the weekend Saturday and
Sunday you should get a ticket, right?
[50:48] So you got a ticket on a Saturday at
11:00 a.m.
[50:51] » No, it was
>> it was school day
[50:53] » March 6 or something. Yes.
>> So it was your school hours. So
[50:56] » but outside of those posted hours
>> that was confusing.
[51:01] » So it was outside of 8 and 3.
>> It was 11 to 3
[51:04] » 11 something in the day.
>> So it
[51:10] was one hour in the morning.
>> That's what I thought.
[51:13] » That's what it's posted. Yeah.
>> Those two times I took pictures of
[51:16] everything. What needs to happen?
Somebody needs to say this during the
[51:20] whole school day.
[51:24] » It does ticket you for one less than if
you're the speed limit. If you go one
[51:30] mile over
[51:34] two
and it was not
[51:39] » it doesn't matter how fast you going. If
you're going over that speed limit, it's
[51:43] going to send you a ticket. And it's
also I received one and I actually
[51:48] called I received one on a Saturday.
>> See that was my question. Is it
[51:55] happening on the weekend as well?
>> Yes, it is. It's happening on the
[51:58] weekend.
[52:17] No, I I'll make a mention. I was going
to introduce my preacher time.
[52:39] » It needs to stay down. duration.
[53:09] » All right. about five I think we closed
up. We go ahead and call our meeting as
[53:15] you know for the month of May, June and
July 26th anniversary country
[53:23] council member bring in a local pastor
to lead us in the pledge. So this week
[53:32] no June June and July.
>> Yeah. I'll ask Jared Middleton if he'll
[53:39] come up here and Chris would you join us
too. Uh for those that you don't if you
[53:46] don't know Jared Jared is the pastor of
Sandersville Methodist Church. He's my
[53:51] pastor. I'm partial,
but
[53:57] he might be on there.
Anyway, I appreciate uh Jared coming
[54:02] here. If you don't know him, he's got a
beautiful wife, Robin, and a son Caleb
[54:08] and a son Jesse. Rising 12th graders,
rising freshman or
[54:13] » sophomore there. And Chris Walker, one
of my own, our head of our public works,
[54:17] is is a proud veteran. And so he's going
to lead us in our in our pledge
[54:21] following that. So we'll give it before
you.
[54:23] » Let's pray. Heavenly Father, we just
thank you uh first and foremost for uh
[54:27] today. Lord, we thank you for our
community uh that you have given us to
[54:32] live in. What a wonderful community it
is. Lord Jesus, we know um that it's not
[54:38] perfect. Um but Lord, it is it is
certainly it is certainly cherished by
[54:43] so many other of us who live here and
and those on the outside. Lord Jesus, we
[54:47] look at our community. We think about
all of the servants that we have. Some
[54:50] of them are in this room. Uh L. We think
about the teachers who are winding down
[54:54] their school years. We think about um
pastors in our area, Lord. Uh those who
[54:59] work in u different ministries, food
ministries, Lord, we think about those
[55:03] with First Love Kids and Boys and Girls
Club. And Lord, so many servants, Lord,
[55:09] our our first responders. And Lord,
tonight we think about um Lord, our
[55:13] council, our mayor, and our council. U
what they give up to serve for our
[55:19] community, the sacrifices that they
make. Lord, we're thankful for them. Uh
[55:22] we lift them in prayer as they make
decisions uh that impact the lives of so
[55:27] many. Lord, give them wisdom and
guidance and discernment uh as they uh
[55:31] lead us. It's your son's precious and
holy name we pray. Amen.
[55:35] » Amen. Next flag
to the flag of the United States of
[55:41] America and to the republic for it
stands one nation under God indivisible
[55:48] with liberty and justice for all.
>> Thank you Jared.
[55:51] » I wanted to make one more comment too
and I meant to say this before uh Jared
[55:56] prayed but we lost a beloved member of
our community Freddy Blocker and I know
[56:01] you probably know Freddy.
>> Yeah,
[56:03] » he was a great community leader. uh he's
a friend of mine
[56:07] » and um just and a cherished employee of
Howard Chap. He has been a staple out
[56:14] there for years. I don't know how many
years Freddy worked out a very important
[56:19] part of but anyway think about keep
Freddy's especially Kathy in your in
[56:25] your prayers.
[56:29] » Amen. Thank y'all for coming. Got a good
group coming in. Be sure to sign it.
[56:34] sign in sheet so we get accurate record
of who's here for our meeting tonight.
[56:39] At this time I have a motion please to
approve the minutes from May 4th reading
[56:43] that's test
motion by council member Brown second by
[56:47] council
any question on those
[56:53] all in favor.
All right. At this time, we will go into
[56:57] a public hearing. The first
request is request 2026-03.
[57:06] That's to request a special exception to
allow manufactured home to be placed in
[57:10] all three zones as multiple
[57:19] able to place a manufactured home on the
property. The property is located 509
[57:23] street own by member.
The one here to speak in favor of this
[57:30] request.
[57:35] One year to speak in opposition to this
request.
[57:44] I
[57:52] » special
going to table that information to the
[57:58] next meeting.
That's the only
[58:04] regular session. Time to take a vote. Do
I have a motion to approve and deny
[58:09] request 2020
request?
[58:14] And this was denied by
>> I make a motion we accept TN.
[58:37] All right. Item number seven. Do I have
a motion to adopt the second reading of
[58:42] ordinance 2026-01?
That motion is to approve or deny
[58:47] ordinance 2026-01.
That's an ordinance of the mayor of city
[58:52] council Georgia for the purpose of
amending the table of permits and zoning
[58:56] or city that's
[59:02] commen
[59:15] All in favor?
[59:19] Item eight. I have a motion to execute
the contract USD water tax.
[59:31] Motion by council member Dennis. Second
question
[59:36] all in favor.
[59:40] All right. Have a motion to table item
number.
[1:00:04] » Come on.
>> Stuck in the line. Oh, okay.
[1:00:09] » Last time we were here, you were ask
[1:00:28] » these people that um you had signed this
petition, they actively are using this
[1:00:34] golf. They come in from walks.
They come from town to play. They a lot
[1:00:41] of them don't say anymore. They come
home to play.
[1:00:51] I had a um the that park uh I think in
my opinion we may have rash in that
[1:00:58] judgment and that was thought that would
be put in hamper but I think that
[1:01:03] there's this much activity there. I mean
that's it's a low cost maintenance for
[1:01:09] us. So I I don't have no problem with
just that. But I would say periodically
[1:01:15] if you're having something there just
let us know so that we can even go and
[1:01:21] see and make sure that you know there is
some legitimate activity going on
[1:01:25] because that's the reason why the
decision was made at that time. But I
[1:01:28] agree with uh Jeffrey, we can stay as
>> and I don't mind if you have a friends
[1:01:33] of the park committee and y'all help us
and say, "Hey, we f to do this, that,
[1:01:38] and the other." Or if you see something
that needs to be done, let Candace know
[1:01:43] or somebody or Chris know, "Hey, we need
this, need that." We'll help you.
[1:01:48] » We want We just want you.
>> That's right.
[1:01:56] » Thank y'all for coming.
Get the swinger.
[1:02:11] » All right, that concludes our business.
We need to do an executive session for
[1:02:16] personnel. We won't be back few minutes
as soon as we come out. I have a I have
[1:02:21] a statement I want to make concerning
the incident that happened last Friday
[1:02:25] night early part of Saturday morning and
chief has some comments
[1:02:30] and we we'll we'll address that just as
soon as we come back in
[1:02:35] motion executive
prov
[1:02:42] That
[1:22:21] Nothing.
[1:27:10] All right, I think we have we have
everyone back. Appreciate y'all patience
[1:27:15] being here.
I have a I have a statement.
[1:27:20] I have a statement that I'd like to read
and then I'm going to ask Chief Kyler to
[1:27:26] make a few comments too. And after that,
this is a open investigation. This will
[1:27:32] continue. It's not complete. But after
Chief Kyle's statements, I will open it
[1:27:39] up. If there's one person that wants to
speak in regards to the incident that
[1:27:44] happened last Friday night, I would take
comment from one person. But other than
[1:27:49] that, we're not going to have any more
public discussion regarding that issue.
[1:27:52] But if there's anything else that
anybody wants to bring to us, we'd be
[1:27:55] glad to do that. But I will say that
after the investigation is complete, now
[1:28:01] we'll be all the information, everything
will be made public. We're very open and
[1:28:06] transparent. All of the officers are
trained professionals. They went by
[1:28:10] policy. It may be at the next meeting or
if the form makes a separate meeting,
[1:28:15] but everything will be brought out to
the public to make everybody aware of
[1:28:19] exactly what happened and what the
findings of the investigation were. At
[1:28:23] this time, I just would like to say the
Sville Police Department understands the
[1:28:28] public's concern and interest regarding
the incident that occurred this past
[1:28:31] weekend involving our department. We
recognize the importance of transparency
[1:28:36] and accountability and we're committed
to conducting a thorough and
[1:28:39] professional investigation.
This time, Chief K, would you come up
[1:28:44] and make the comments that you have?
[1:28:51] And it's just like what the uh mayor has
already stated. Um this incident is
[1:28:56] being investigated.
Uh in any instance, we will have an
[1:29:01] incident like this. Um, we're going to
use our policies to make sure that
[1:29:07] whatever our officers do is going to be
consistent with our policies. Um, uh,
[1:29:13] Georgia law
and that's just the way that we we
[1:29:16] investigate things. There have been
significant discussion on social media,
[1:29:20] including Facebook. Uh, Sanville Police
Department will not allow public
[1:29:26] commentary or online speculation to
influence the integrity of the
[1:29:31] investigation.
We hope to schedule a future date and
[1:29:35] time for public discussion once the
investigation has progressed to a point
[1:29:40] where additional information can
appropriately be shared. Until then, we
[1:29:44] will not be discussing the matter
publicly this afternoon in order to
[1:29:48] protect the integrity of the ongoing
investigation.
[1:29:51] As a general matter, I also want to
remind all citizens that our officers
[1:29:56] are trained to serve, protect, and
enforce the law professionally and
[1:30:00] responsibly during encounters with law
enforcement, compliance with lawful
[1:30:05] commands, and avoiding resistance are
essential to helping prevent situations
[1:30:10] from escalating
and reducing the likelihood that force
[1:30:14] may be necessary. Sandersville Police
Department remains committed to serving
[1:30:19] our community with professionalism,
fairness, and integrity.
[1:30:25] Thank Thank you, Chief. At this time, is
there any one person that would like to
[1:30:29] make a comment concerning the feelings
of the community of this thing? At time,
[1:30:34] I will allow one person to speak.
[1:30:42] » Yes, ma'am. State your name for the
record, please. Ma'am,
[1:30:45] » hey, I'm Melissa Leor.
[1:30:50] » On behalf of the New Yorker family, we
are asking that this could be an
[1:30:54] external investigation
of GBI because we feel like it'll be too
[1:30:59] much bias to keep this inhouse
>> and then we would like to know the
[1:31:03] policies as far as use of force and how
many tasers can be used at one time.
[1:31:09] » Also, your rights as a citizen. Can you
ask why am I being detained?
[1:31:14] And once that says he says that he
doesn't want to sign a ticket, why
[1:31:18] wasn't the ticket just mailed to him?
We also want to know um the use of force
[1:31:25] policies on um not nonactive resistance
because he wasn't resisting. If I'm
[1:31:32] telling you what did I do, you as the
officer have the right to tell me what I
[1:31:37] did and then detain me.
So that's why because of the public
[1:31:42] scrutiny, the Facebook, the Instagram,
we asking for this to be an external
[1:31:48] investigation.
We also pray for the Yorker family who
[1:31:52] is really moved by this. My sister used
to be an employee here. So imagine the
[1:31:58] scrutiny that she's facing.
We also ask that um those officers be
[1:32:05] placed on leave because the family feels
like a target right now. Mhm.
[1:32:09] » So that they can so that we can identify
with them and ourselves to make sure
[1:32:15] that this investigation remains fair.
>> We don't want to try to hear it. Take it
[1:32:21] to some people that don't even know us
and just stay fair to his because we
[1:32:26] coming with facts, not opinions, facts.
>> Don't dagger and threaten the young lady
[1:32:32] with the video. Leave her alone. She was
just a citizen.
[1:32:36] So imagine the treatment that she's
getting.
[1:32:40] Please continue to pray for my family.
AMEN.
[1:32:49] » My final comment on this, if all this
was noted, we always have answers and
[1:32:54] like I said, when the investigation is
complete, it will make be made public.
[1:32:59] » I got a question about
>> No, man. We're not taking any question
[1:33:02] no more. This this issue is over with
now. But if you have a question, anybody
[1:33:06] else have anything to bring before the
council that's not related to this
[1:33:09] issue?
>> It's just about the police department.
[1:33:12] The fear of this the whole sheriff
county and fear. We fear getting pulled
[1:33:17] over now. This put a fear in our county.
So we just want to know are when we
[1:33:22] gonna find out how quick we going to
find out. Are these people suspended?
[1:33:26] That's
when we get pulled up.
[1:33:28] » No decision will be made.
>> We'll talk about it. We'll figure it
[1:33:33] out.
You're not on the agenda, ma'am. You're
[1:33:37] not on the agenda. So, we going this
gentleman speak. Yes, sir.
[1:33:42] » From Atlanta, Georgia.
>> Uh, this this is one of this is a good
[1:33:46] time, B. So, I was robbed by force by
Detective Mio
[1:33:51] and also the chief of police called 911
and told him.
[1:33:56] » So, I want to find So, so I want to find
out this right here been investigating.
[1:34:01] I want to find out the update on my
investigation.
[1:34:06] » Wait, the chief the chief the chief the
chief blow me off. This time
[1:34:13] me off also I made application by the
state of charge for return of my propert
[1:34:19] $6,000. The chief wrote me off.
>> You're not you're not on the agenda.
[1:34:23] » You said anybody want anybody want to
say something?
[1:34:25] » Not going to settle that here tonight.
The city manager right now. See that's
[1:34:29] why some of you are going through the
problem they going through because you
[1:34:32] want to off
[1:34:37] you want the constitution 250 years
>> that ain't nothing.