[0:03] Yeah, good. Anything, everybody. This is the sandwich select board
[0:07] meeting for August 20th, 2020.
[0:09] Six. We are at the Sandhill school tonight's meeting is
[0:12] being recorded and broadcast live by Sandit community television.
[0:17] We will open with the pledge of allegiance.
[0:21] I pledge alleg pledge alleg flag, the United States of America.
[0:26] And Republic for which stands.
[0:29] One nation under God.
[0:31] Indivisible who had Liberty and.
[0:34] Justice for
[0:37] we will open with our first opportunity for public comment
[0:41] this evening, the first person is Sue dangle.
[0:49] You can actually there. Thank you.
[0:59] Hi, good evening.
[1:01] Susan dangle 7 62 Pitt road in Mashpee.
[1:04] Mashpee. Thank you for the opportunity to speak to you
[1:06] tonight. I've been for you.
[1:09] Several times over the last few years, but tonight I
[1:11] have two things I wanted to mention. The first is
[1:14] a, a big thank you to the town of sandwich.
[1:17] For speedily acting.
[1:19] To help with the jet ski problem on mash wave
[1:23] pond.
[1:24] I'm not sure that you're aware, but mash B Wakebe
[1:27] and John's pond are the only two ponds on the
[1:30] entire Cape.
[1:32] That allowed non-resident jet ski launches.
[1:35] And for that reason, we get a lot of them.
[1:38] And you all stepped right up and came over and
[1:41] over at Ryder conservation area.
[1:44] Installed very quickly at buoy system.
[1:46] With clearly clear signs that say you can't.
[1:50] Can't tie up watercraft, et cetera.
[1:53] That worked great for a few weeks.
[1:56] And then now they're all tying up to the buoys
[1:58] they're tying. They're still tying up.
[2:01] And what happens is they bring.
[2:03] The jet skis over and then they truck, a whole
[2:06] bunch of people.
[2:07] Into writer conservation with a series of cars that drop
[2:11] people off. And then those jet skis just keep going
[2:13] all.
[2:14] Day long. So
[2:17] I believe in talking to Mr. Sampson, there might be
[2:20] an Ima opportunity between the town of sandwich and mashee.
[2:25] Mashpee to allow for the Harbor master.
[2:28] Of mash B to actually have jurisdiction over the waters.
[2:33] Waters that are right out in front of Ryder, where
[2:35] those buoys are so that they can have the people.
[2:39] Leave.
[2:40] But it's tricky because it's sandwich water, and you don't
[2:43] have a Harbor master on the, on the water. So
[2:45] I would just like to encourage you.
[2:48] To deliberate about that as soon as you can. And
[2:51] if we could get that in place in time for
[2:53] next year, that would be great. The season's almost over.
[2:56] But thank you again for.
[2:58] Stepping up, it really has made a difference.
[3:02] And then secondly,
[3:04] I was dismayed to see the clerk cutting at the
[3:07] village green.
[3:08] Site. I talked to you, I think maybe three times.
[3:12] About it during the process, as well as speaking to
[3:15] the zoning board.
[3:16] The match be select board was here twice.
[3:19] And has sent two letters.
[3:21] Letters with our concerns about the stormwater runoff.
[3:25] And the knife gin loading.
[3:28] And those are
[3:30] issues that are in the comprehensive plan.
[3:33] As conditions, but as we've seen a condition or two.
[3:37] Was just blatantly disregarded. So there is some very grave
[3:41] concern that the rest of them will just be disregarded.
[3:46] So we're looking very carefully at how this will be
[3:49] handled in the town.
[3:51] And I hope that it is made clear that this
[3:54] cannot continue.
[3:56] How, when whatever means necessary. Thank you. Thank you, sir.
[3:59] Thank you.
[4:12] Yeah, Brian Wallace, old con road.
[4:15] 58 reside of sandwich.
[4:17] I have a question before I begin.
[4:20] Does anybody play pickleball on the board of selectmen?
[4:24] Any pickleball players.
[4:28] Actively or ever either way.
[4:32] Ever. Yes. Yes. Ever. Yes.
[4:34] What are, yes. Okay. Basically it might go and I'll
[4:36] just go a quick briefing is to try and eliminate.
[4:39] The reservation system in pickleball.
[4:42] I think it's been harmful for the town of sandwich.
[4:46] I, I hear I've been playing for 17 years. I
[4:49] started a guy at the old.
[4:51] Conservation. We even lined the parking lot and we went
[4:54] to wing school. We did two courts, and then we
[4:56] did Oakcrest Cove and Oakcrest Cove. We had as many.
[5:00] As 40 people and as Oak open play,
[5:03] and never had a problem. And that played in Canada.
[5:07] Florida California. I played all over the country.
[5:10] I've never run into the reservation system.
[5:13] The reservation system, I think does more harm. Good.
[5:17] They're good. And
[5:19] in Florida, Naples has
[5:22] last I heard they had about 64 courts.
[5:24] Open play. They've got 1 25.
[5:27] One low end 1.5 all the way up to five.
[5:32] And the, the biggest problem. Well, problem, I say, and
[5:35] the reservation system.
[5:37] They have the courts available seven days a week.
[5:40] Open play. You only have four days a week.
[5:43] And somebody says, well, why don't you play reservation?
[5:47] I personally don't like reservation. It does nothing to me
[5:50] to grow the sport.
[5:51] I like to play with a lot of other people.
[5:54] And plus I'm a single player. So.
[5:57] Five and three people to play pickleball at the last
[6:00] minute.
[6:01] Is a chore now.
[6:04] As far as the reservation system, if they like to
[6:06] play together.
[6:07] I'm open play. You have a board.
[6:11] Square and the people wanna play together. And we have
[6:13] a lot of people at open plate. You just put
[6:15] your name on the board.
[6:17] The longest I've ever waited in open play.
[6:20] With 40 people. It's about six minutes.
[6:23] To turnover is quick. Cuz you can see as you
[6:25] get.
[6:27] You've got eight, eight court. I I've got 24 or
[6:29] 30 people or whatever.
[6:32] So that was my goal is to.
[6:34] Eliminate the reservation system. I've known guy for 17 years.
[6:40] I picked up the game in Florida.
[6:42] And I think he's has a meeting in the first
[6:43] week in September.
[6:45] And hopefully we can come up with a better solution.
[6:48] Some suggestions, which, which
[6:50] just my ideas is one. You could do it.
[6:54] Two shifts every every day, seven to nine to nine
[6:57] 11, whatever.
[6:59] And the other, you could drop.
[7:02] These are all my worst suggestions.
[7:05] The other, you could
[7:07] the other, you could drop.
[7:09] Reservations on Friday.
[7:11] So we'd pick up, we'd pick up five days.
[7:14] And reservations will lose one day.
[7:18] So other than that,
[7:21] Donald a reservation system.
[7:23] Any, any questions in general?
[7:27] Okay.
[7:28] Thank you for your time. Thank you.
[7:42] Folks, if you need seats, there's a, there's a couple
[7:45] seats over here.
[7:47] I think that seat over here somewhere, and we got
[7:49] some more chairs coming in.
[7:53] Please state your name and address. Thank you. Sue Cari,
[7:56] six Sheldon lane in Forestdale.
[8:00] I am vice president of friends of Peters pond.
[8:03] And I'm heartsick over what the developers of village green.
[8:09] In Forestdale have done to the land with no permission,
[8:12] no permit.
[8:14] And apparently no accountability for their actions.
[8:18] They were not issued a building permit yet they have
[8:20] ruined this land.
[8:23] Forever. They were given over 100.
[8:25] Conditions to satisfy before they would even be granted a
[8:29] building permit.
[8:30] I hope the town now.
[8:32] Realizes that they will not only not satisfy those conditions,
[8:36] but they will do whatever they want.
[8:39] Whenever they want to, they ignored a verbal cease and
[8:43] desist and a written cease and desist.
[8:46] Before they were finally stopped.
[8:48] They do not care about our groundwater, our pond water.
[8:52] Or 40 B housing.
[8:55] This project never really belonged in such a heavily.
[8:58] Populated area and yes, I attended the meetings.
[9:02] Meetings spoke up in times of public comment.
[9:05] And wrote letters. I just really hope the town will.
[9:10] Investigate this egregious behavior.
[9:13] And that these developers will be held accountable for their
[9:16] actions.
[9:17] I have loved fare and Peter's pond since 1959.
[9:22] And I am saddened beyond belief by what.
[9:26] These people have done and are doing.
[9:28] To our beautiful neighborhood.
[9:30] Thanks again. Thank you so much.
[9:38] Sir. Hello, back to the serious subject of pickleball.
[9:45] Andy Davis two artisan way. What was it, Brian?
[9:49] I'm gonna echo some of Brian's statements.
[9:52] About the reservation system.
[9:55] I don't think it really works. We're the only town
[9:57] on Cape Cod that has a reservation system.
[10:00] I play over in Mashpee. I play over in Marston's
[10:04] mills, all open play, like all the time works out.
[10:07] Great.
[10:09] Having to try and use a reservation system. Like Brian
[10:12] said, like trying to get people at the last minute
[10:14] to play.
[10:15] I had friends like, Hey, let's play in sandwich on
[10:17] Friday. I'm like, I can't, why make a reservation? I
[10:19] can't, because it's a month out. Like it doesn't work.
[10:23] And part of the problem. And I don't know if
[10:24] anybody ever checks and I don't think the recreation department
[10:27] ever does.
[10:28] Is you, look, you go to the courts and see
[10:30] who's playing. If there are people there.
[10:32] And then you look at the reservation system. The app
[10:34] on your phone courts are supposed to be full with
[10:36] people playing pickleball.
[10:39] And nobody will be there. And that's a huge problem.
[10:41] And we met with the rec director a couple years
[10:44] ago, had this conversation.
[10:46] She loves the reservation system. Didn't think there was a
[10:49] problem.
[10:50] But when the courts, like aren't getting used.
[10:53] Half the time. It's a problem.
[10:55] And one of the things she said in an email
[10:58] to one of our pickle ballers, she said the recreation
[11:00] department is here to support you however we can and
[11:02] would love to.
[11:04] Help rebuild and energize the court community together.
[11:08] Why do we have to rebuild it?
[11:11] Because of the reservation system, people.
[11:14] Don't go. They are actively discouraging people.
[11:17] From playing pickleball in sandwich. And if you talk to
[11:20] people from sandwich and play pickleball or the surrounding communities,
[11:23] you'll hear the same.
[11:25] Thing the, the court should just be open.
[11:29] All the time, take the lockout.
[11:32] Let people play pickleball. Let people play tennis.
[11:35] That's all I have for now. Thank you. Thank you
[11:38] so much.
[11:45] Valerie. Kote 55 fab.
[11:48] Freeman AB this was just a perfect opportunity to come
[11:50] up and say,
[11:52] I am a court reserve pickleball player. .
[11:57] That's okay.
[11:59] No shame.
[12:03] And you know what I was.
[12:05] I'm not worried about, but I'm gonna use the sandwich
[12:08] approach, no pun intended, but kind of, I think sandwich.
[12:14] Pickleball and the sandwich rec department has a lot of
[12:16] positives going on and I'm afraid when we hear like,
[12:21] get rid of the reservation system, change everything open play
[12:24] all the time that it, it reflects.
[12:26] Reflects either a misuse disuse.
[12:29] Inappropriate use of court reserve, where as a player who's
[12:33] used.
[12:34] The reservation system for quite a long time.
[12:37] I find just the opposite.
[12:39] I think I know Andy's been down there a few
[12:43] times and has taken pictures of empty courts there.
[12:47] At 11 on a day, that's 85 degrees in humid
[12:50] and that's because the six quarts were full.
[12:53] From nine to 11 people play early. They play at
[12:56] seven. They reserve at seven o'clock.
[13:00] I think that
[13:02] everything, you know, we all want the, we all have
[13:04] the same goal. We wanna play pickleball. We want it.
[13:07] Available accessible. I think we have an amazing.
[13:11] Recreation department.
[13:13] The whole Quaker meeting house road corridor is just such
[13:17] a Testament to.
[13:18] How many programs and opportunities there are for children to
[13:21] seniors.
[13:22] Seniors and sandwich has a lot to be proud of
[13:24] there.
[13:25] I think that
[13:28] as far as when you talk to Tricia, Heather,
[13:31] and Trish, you know, she got public servant of the
[13:34] year award from chamber of commerce. I think those.
[13:38] They are
[13:40] I, I don't know. Other people may have had different
[13:42] experiences, but when we've talked or asked to talk to
[13:45] Trish or Heather.
[13:47] They listen, they're receptive.
[13:50] They try to resolve things. If they can, sometimes finances
[13:54] constrain that.
[13:57] But when we said
[13:59] the court reserved, the original one was not friendly.
[14:02] User friendly. It wasn't working well. They investigated, they researched.
[14:05] So despite maybe nobody on the Cape using court reserve,
[14:09] it's a widely used program.
[14:10] Across the country, including Florida.
[14:13] I think Brian, you were mentioning Florida. It's used widely
[14:15] there. That's where they modeled it from and where they,
[14:18] they researched it from.
[14:21] I think
[14:23] that, when they found a better system, they implemented it
[14:26] and it works. It's very.
[14:28] User friendly and it's widely used.
[14:31] Secondly, they
[14:33] they closed the courts in the winter. People said,
[14:36] why can't, you know, other places Mashpee courts are open,
[14:39] et cetera. Why can't we? They said, okay, let's try
[14:41] it.
[14:42] If it gets, if there's really bad weather, it'll ruin
[14:45] the nets. We'll have to stop it, but they listened.
[14:48] They were agreeable. They put up windscreens we have indoor
[14:52] pickleball.
[14:54] That sandwich rec runs.
[14:56] That uses a paddle system. It's open play.
[14:59] What they do differently there is that they have you.
[15:03] Enroll in classes based on.
[15:06] Your ability advanced.
[15:09] Advanced intermediate beginner. And they have days that differentiate.
[15:13] Differentiated. I think that open plate, I am still, we've
[15:17] had so many meetings about it for years. I'm sure
[15:19] Andy. I know you've been a part Hillary. Cliber a
[15:21] great.
[15:22] Pickleball player in town. She tried to resurrect it, tried
[15:25] to get it going. People have had ideas. They come
[15:28] up with plans.
[15:30] Plans. I still don't know why open play.
[15:33] That people aren't there. I think.
[15:35] By changing or saying, we have to change everything about
[15:37] sandwich pickleball.
[15:39] Take away. The very thing that is most successful in
[15:41] pickleball right now, which is.
[15:44] The people who use the re reservation system, those ports
[15:46] are used.
[15:48] Utilized in there are players and on open play, there
[15:50] aren't any.
[15:51] And I don't, I think in my own opinion,
[15:54] is that early on players.
[15:57] Everybody forms a pickleball community.
[16:00] There's one in Mashpee and Marsons mills and sandwich. You,
[16:03] you end up meeting people, finding people.
[16:06] That you feel comfortable playing with? Are you just like
[16:08] them as people?
[16:10] Our pickleball group is, is we are friends. We are
[16:13] social. We compete, we have fun.
[16:17] The other groups that I know play in that reserve
[16:19] system when we're there.
[16:21] It's a big welcoming
[16:23] despite, I think
[16:27] somebody called us elitist in the court reserve system. I
[16:30] know you're laughing. I am too.
[16:32] If you saw me playing you wouldn't, be player
[16:35] that's for sure. Lori, could you testify to that? But.
[16:40] The lead it's like using the wrong word. I'd say
[16:41] the people who use court reserve are committed.
[16:45] It works well in their lifestyle to know they can
[16:46] play Monday, Wednesday, Friday, that if they're they also play
[16:49] golf or they have a wanna make doctor's appointments, it
[16:52] gives a predict.
[16:53] Predictability a reliability to their pickleball life and world.
[16:56] Maybe everybody doesn't need that. The people who use it.
[17:00] Enjoy it and appreciate it.
[17:02] And so I I'm here to strongly.
[17:05] Strongly speak against like, don't throw the baby out with
[17:08] the bathwater.
[17:10] Like you can try to make Opal open plate better
[17:11] and work better.
[17:13] Great ideas mash. Be level the courts. Marstons mills have
[17:17] a board, but you need somebody to run it.
[17:19] We have a board down in sea. I want you
[17:20] to know one uses it. In fact, somebody used a
[17:22] regular marker instead of a dry erase marker and ruined
[17:25] it.
[17:26] Brewington you need somebody maybe to man, that board, there
[17:29] are ways to make open, play more successful. I'm sure
[17:32] you know them. I'm sure all the people.
[17:34] Here, maybe someone's gonna speak to that too.
[17:37] Oh, I'm sorry. As you can see, I don't have
[17:39] trouble speaking in opposition.
[17:42] Thank you so much for listening to me. Don't same
[17:44] problem. It's okay. so, so it's about six, 18.
[17:50] So we're gonna be proceeding with our agenda. We generally
[17:52] allow 15 minutes for public comment at the beginning of
[17:55] the meeting.
[17:56] There is another opportunity for public comment at the end
[17:58] of the meeting. And we are likely to, to provide
[18:01] unlimited time there, but we need to move forward with
[18:03] the business of the evening at this.
[18:04] Time. So
[18:06] with that.
[18:09] We are going to move to the.
[18:12] Review and approval of minutes.
[18:14] Of August 6th, I'd ask that you please be quiet.
[18:18] Thank you make a motion will be approved the minutes
[18:22] of August 6th as presented.
[18:25] State second.
[18:28] So a motion for Mr. Hawk a second for Mr.
[18:30] Sullivan, any discussion on the motion to approve the minutes
[18:32] of August 6th.
[18:34] No discussion all those in favor.
[18:37] Aye. Aye. Extensions.
[18:39] Yes, Mr. Fulton.
[18:45] That brings the town manager report.
[18:48] Some quick updates. Our next meeting.
[18:51] Is Thursday, September 10th. That's because.
[18:55] Of the holiday that's coming up. So it's a little
[18:57] bit, one week later, her family would be.
[19:01] A quick update on the town hall construction.
[19:04] Project continues to go really well.
[19:06] If you drive by all of the large windows on
[19:09] the first and second floors have all been replaced as
[19:12] of today.
[19:13] There's a small window in the front and a really
[19:15] small window in the back that I'll be touched on
[19:18] next week.
[19:20] And then they're gonna continue with the exterior painting and
[19:22] restoration. A lot of the clapboards that you see off
[19:25] the one side near one 30.
[19:27] Is that's from rotted materials. So it's all progressing well.
[19:32] We'll give you updates as it gets closer to being
[19:35] completed, but our hope is it should be done.
[19:38] As expected near the end of September, early October, but
[19:40] we'll keep you abreast of that. As we move forward,
[19:43] we continue to meet weekly as a group.
[19:46] A couple of beach updates with all of our, well,
[19:48] the vast majority of our summer staff returning to college.
[19:52] Parking attendance and lifeguards will be at all of our
[19:55] usual places through tomorrow.
[19:58] And then so many are leaving. We won't be staffing
[20:00] either the parking attendants or the lifeguards tomorrow.
[20:04] Public restrooms. The portable restrooms that we've had in most
[20:07] of our facilities will remain.
[20:10] Until September 8th, the town neck trailer, which is nicer than
[20:13] most of the portable restrooms that's gonna be removed at
[20:16] the end of the day tomorrow.
[20:17] And it's gonna be replaced with some ADA affordable restrooms.
[20:21] That again will be in place through.
[20:23] September 8th. So they'll still be facilities there.
[20:26] A couple of other quick rec updates, similar to what's
[20:30] been talked about so far. So the recreation department is
[20:33] planning.
[20:34] A pickleball open forum for Wednesday, September 16th at five at
[20:38] the center for active living.
[20:40] I think they're just waiting to nail down confirmation on
[20:43] the room, but that's what the intent is.
[20:46] I would just like to add a personal commentary that
[20:49] I hope people recognize the lengths that town officials and
[20:53] town staff parti.
[20:54] Particularly the rec department and rec committee went to.
[20:57] Literally trying to get public support for millions of dollars
[20:59] to build six beautiful pickleball courts to have probably the
[21:02] only town on Cape Cod that has three.
[21:05] Indoor pickleball courts for the winter. And when we go
[21:07] to resurface the outdoor basketball and tennis courts at Oak
[21:11] CREs Cove down by the public.
[21:13] Boat ramp. We plan to have that Stripe for pickleball
[21:16] as well. So the town is literally gone out of
[21:18] its way to spend millions of dollars.
[21:21] Many times against some committees that did not support it
[21:24] to try to get those facilities in place that.
[21:29] Five. So it's tentatively scheduled for Wednesday, September 16th, at five
[21:33] o'clock at the center for active limit. This is the
[21:36] recreation advisory.
[21:37] Committee meeting. Yes. Okay. And I shouldn't, you know,
[21:42] I'm trying to think of the best way to say
[21:43] it.
[21:44] The pickleball is overseen by the rec department. It's not
[21:48] overseen by the select board.
[21:52] And I would also add that the, and they do
[21:54] an, the recreation advisory committee has seven open seats and
[21:58] they do an outstanding.
[21:59] So anybody that has interest in serving on the recreation
[22:02] advisory committee is very welcome to do so.
[22:05] But to Mr. Dunham's point, and I was actually going
[22:06] to bring this up before I knew it was on
[22:08] your list.
[22:10] That is truly the best place to bring pickleball concerns.
[22:13] That doesn't mean that we won't pursue them, but that
[22:15] is the best place to bring those concerns.
[22:18] Concerns a couple of other quick ones. We did get
[22:19] notified by Eversource. Last week, they've been doing this throughout
[22:22] the state.
[22:24] But they're in our area now trying to convert people's
[22:27] old electric meters to smart meters. It's gonna happen at
[22:29] every property in sandwich.
[22:32] So those have started in, in, in sandwich and they'll
[22:35] be continuing for quite a while.
[22:38] If the public's interested, Eversource has all sorts of information
[22:41] on the smart meters.
[22:42] That you can take advantage of the additional capabilities of
[22:46] those meters.
[22:47] From your phones, do things remotely. If you go away
[22:49] for the winter, so, or go away for a few
[22:51] weeks.
[22:53] So people should be keeping an eye out for that.
[22:54] When they come to your area, the town's had a
[22:58] slow down and our town campaign in a public outreach.
[23:01] Session for many months now, and that's continuing.
[23:05] We are working through our office D P w.
[23:10] And the public safety departments.
[23:12] About some small signage that if people were interested, they
[23:15] could put on their properties to try to just encourage
[23:18] people to slow down. I think it's something we see.
[23:20] Everywhere, no matter where you go, not just sandwich.
[23:24] And then lastly, I just wanted to give you an
[23:26] update. I put in front of your tables in front
[23:28] of your chairs at last night's military, civilian community.
[23:33] Council meeting. There was an excellent presentation made by the
[23:36] director of the Providence VA.
[23:39] Who was instrumental for the last 15 years in trying
[23:42] to permit the.
[23:44] Veterans outpatient clinic that's being built right now.
[23:47] On the main entrance to joint base Cape Cod off
[23:50] the MacArthur Boulevard access.
[23:54] You can access that before you get to the security
[23:56] gates.
[23:58] But the progress is progressing very well. The services that
[24:01] they will provide out there are, will be substantial.
[24:05] But it will probably help Cape veterans not have to
[24:07] go to Boston, Providence or Brockton, like they've done for
[24:09] decades.
[24:11] That's supposed to be complete by the end of calendar
[24:13] year 2027.
[24:15] I know you have the information in front of you,
[24:17] but if you take a look at the services that
[24:19] are gonna be provided there,
[24:21] it's gonna be state of the art for what veterans
[24:22] are provided Sowan to highlight that.
[24:26] Excellent.
[24:27] Excellent. That's it. Thank you, bud questions for buddy.
[24:31] Provided none. None.
[24:35] Correspondence statements and announcements from the board.
[24:41] Anyone
[24:44] my only, almost the rec item. So we covered that.
[24:48] Okay, we're going to move forward then.
[24:51] With our staff meeting.
[24:55] The item first item for this evening is JIRA America's
[24:57] update on canal station.
[25:00] Development plans, Randy Bell is here vice president of government and
[25:04] regulatory affairs.
[25:06] And other folks as well.
[25:09] Lot. And, and why at Metzger? Yeah.
[25:12] Senior manager of science and advanced technology. And bud, I
[25:14] don't know if you want to give any additional background,
[25:17] just.
[25:18] Yeah. I just say just for the general public's information,
[25:22] like.
[25:23] Whomever has owned the power plant for the last 40
[25:25] years. And I think there's been eight or nine.
[25:28] They're our largest taxpayer.
[25:31] Once com electric sold it. And we have always tried
[25:34] to go out of our way to be proactive and.
[25:37] Helpful as much as we can with the various owners.
[25:40] And I think it's fair to say sometimes when the
[25:42] property changed hands, we, you know, weren't sure what the
[25:45] new owners would be like. And I have to say
[25:47] every single.
[25:48] Time. It's been very positive, getting to know them and
[25:51] work with them.
[25:52] But since JIRA has owned it Jer Americas. And I,
[25:55] I know they'll do some introductions. I feel like that
[25:58] relationship has gone to a whole nother.
[26:01] Level, you know,
[26:03] we have an open communication style and the type of
[26:06] relationship where we can say thanks to each other good
[26:08] or bad, which is the sign of a good relationship.
[26:11] And we have gone out of our way to try
[26:13] to help them, because I think anyone who has lived
[26:16] in town for a while, know how antiquated and.
[26:19] Outdated, some of the facilities are there not all of
[26:22] them. And I just want to stress how.
[26:25] Supportive the select board town staff, and really all of
[26:27] our committees and townspeople.
[26:30] Were supportive when we did the Quickstart unit three.
[26:33] Believe it or not, that was almost a, a decade
[26:35] ago.
[26:37] But you know what a difference that has made.
[26:40] So I just would hope people would be open-minded and
[26:43] supportive thinking ahead.
[26:45] Because it's critical that that property gets used the right
[26:49] way for all of our, you know, reliable and sustainable
[26:52] energy needs.
[26:54] And personally, like they've just been incredible to work with
[26:57] and we're looking forward to.
[27:02] This and other potential development opportunities that happen down theroad.
[27:04] Thank you, bud.
[27:06] Brandon. Thank you so much, bud. Thank you for that.
[27:10] That shout out. We have to agree. This is a
[27:12] fantastic relationship.
[27:14] Working here with the town of sandwich. I'm Brandi bell.
[27:17] I'm the vice president of government and regulatory affairs for
[27:20] Jer Americas. So I cover.
[27:22] All of our government affairs.
[27:25] For our, our whole footprint in the United States.
[27:29] And I'm the main point of contact.
[27:32] For the project we're about to present right now.
[27:34] However good news for everybody we're you won't have to
[27:37] deal with me for that long.
[27:39] Because we are hiring a new person to cover all
[27:42] of our government affairs for the Northeast.
[27:44] This will be the bulk of her job and she
[27:46] starts mid-September.
[27:47] So we will be rule introducing her to the community
[27:50] as well. Once she gets started, this is very, very
[27:53] important to us. And so we're gonna have somebody who.
[27:56] Who's really can be much more dedicated to the, the
[27:58] engagement here in San Luis. Being part of the team
[28:00] should be a, do a whole lot better job than
[28:02] I would be. Why.
[28:04] Why don't you introduce yourself and then we'll, we'll go
[28:06] through the presentation. So why I'm Metzger? I'm senior director
[28:10] in science and advanced technologies.
[28:12] Since I work on the technology side of our development
[28:15] projects, as well as looking at different technologies, moving.
[28:20] So
[28:22] as the, the slide suggests we're here to talk about
[28:24] a, a battery possible battery energy storage system. So a
[28:28] grid scale battery at.
[28:30] At canal, this is the beginning of what we hope
[28:33] to be a very open and transparent process.
[28:37] This is not to say we are a hundred percent
[28:39] moving forward with this project.
[28:42] We really hope we are, that there are some things
[28:44] that are still contingent, but as part of the process,
[28:46] we want to introduce that right now.
[28:49] So let first, lemme tell you who JIRA is. It's
[28:53] it? I, when I started working at JIRA, I realized
[28:55] the most interesting company we'd never.
[28:57] Heard of, so first of all, it is the largest
[28:59] power producer in Japan produces about 30% of the power
[29:04] in Japan.
[29:05] And primarily in the Tokyo region.
[29:08] So very, very important for the global economy, but it
[29:12] also has significant power assets globally. So we work in
[29:15] about 20 countries.
[29:17] And the us is the largest footprint.
[29:20] For JIRA outside of Japan. I think what's, what's really
[29:23] important about how canal.
[29:26] Fits into JIRA's vision.
[29:29] Globally is that that JIRA was created.
[29:33] As a, a fossil fuel.
[29:36] Power generation company a after Fukushima.
[29:40] The the two largest utility largest and the third largest
[29:43] utilities.
[29:44] In, in Japan, Tokyo electric and Chubu electric, they created
[29:48] a joint venture where they took the, the fossil fuel
[29:51] generation assets.
[29:53] And the global fuels trading business and put them into
[29:55] this company JIRA.
[29:57] And then said you have to decarbonize and mean her
[30:00] net zero goals by 2050.
[30:02] So we have all the, all of the thermal assets
[30:05] that the fossil fuel assets. And we have to think
[30:07] about how we continue to provide power for Japan.
[30:10] And for the rest of the world while meeting this,
[30:13] this goal, so really challenging, but we also see it
[30:17] as a real opportunity. And so.
[30:19] Our assets in the United States often really support that global
[30:23] mission.
[30:24] So why don't we go to the next slide? We'll
[30:26] talk about what we do in the us.
[30:28] You'll see in the Northeast from.
[30:31] Just south of Philadelphia, up to Maine, we have a
[30:34] fleet set of seven.
[30:37] Fossil fuel thermal power generation assets.
[30:41] They are primarily gas or dual fuel.
[30:45] Canal unit one is the.
[30:48] Only oil, only asset we own.
[30:51] We own renewables. We have.
[30:54] A renewal solar facility in Louisiana and a solar facility
[30:59] in Arkansas, and then a, a wind facility in the
[31:01] south of Texas.
[31:03] We have
[31:05] a really interesting ammonia project.
[31:08] Where we'll be using ammonia.
[31:10] For energy in Louisiana, and that's going to the most
[31:14] technologically advanced ammonia facility in the world.
[31:17] Under construction right now. And.
[31:20] That will come online in 2029 and it'll use carbon
[31:23] capture so that the CO2 is captured. And then that
[31:26] ammonia will be sent to Japan.
[31:29] Where it will displace coal.
[31:31] And so it'll be used in a Coalfire power plant
[31:33] with so zero emissions. So really, really interesting project there.
[31:38] We own an upstream gas asset, and then we have
[31:41] a significant amount of, of us L N G offtake.
[31:45] So a very broad portfolio here in the us.
[31:49] But on the power side, in the Northeast.
[31:51] We look at these assets as, as opportunities.
[31:54] Where we know that there, these assets are going to
[31:57] be needed for the short to medium term.
[32:01] They are an important for reliability and we'll get to
[32:03] why canal is important, but they also provide an opportunity
[32:07] for decarbonization.
[32:09] Lowering emissions by reusing existing infrastructure.
[32:13] So when we see assets like now where they have
[32:15] significant infrastructure, that's frankly underutilized. Right now we, we think
[32:20] about opportunities.
[32:21] Where we could bring in new technologies that lower the
[32:25] emissions.
[32:26] Emissions while continuing to provide reliability, cuz essentially that's what
[32:29] our mission is globally.
[32:31] We have to continue to provide reliable power.
[32:33] At an affordable price while lowering emissions. So a, a
[32:37] big task, but we're working on this globally and canal
[32:41] is.
[32:42] One of our first opportunities here in the United States. So
[32:45] we'll go to the next slide.
[32:47] So, this is just an overview of, of what canal
[32:49] generating is today.
[32:51] So I think as you all know, it is an
[32:54] antique, at least two of the units, the canal unit
[32:57] one was built in 1968.
[32:59] The canal unit two was built in 1976.
[33:03] They, those units are each about 550 megawatts and then
[33:06] canal unit three, which is the newest 2019.
[33:10] Is about 330 megawatts. And so they they're gonna.
[33:16] Know fair you you'll they're very rarely run particularly canals
[33:19] one and two. So canal one and two, because there
[33:22] are oil units. They take 12.
[33:24] Hours to turn on. And so they really only run.
[33:28] When the system is in crisis, those are long heat
[33:31] events or long cold events. So.
[33:34] We ran a lot during winter storm farm, but.
[33:38] They so they they're, they're very, very, very rarely run
[33:42] less than 2% canal, three runs a little more around
[33:45] 7% because.
[33:47] That's fast start. It can run on natural gas.
[33:50] When there is gas available in the summer, in the
[33:52] winter, you'll you often can't, can't get gas for power,
[33:56] power plants down here. So you run that unit.
[33:58] Runs on ultra loci for diesel when, when needed.
[34:01] We have about 50 employees.
[34:04] Employees it repre about half are represented by the union.
[34:06] And that's, there's, there's a union contract.
[34:09] And we have a, a.
[34:12] Just recently renewed our, our pilot, our property PI payment
[34:16] in lieu of taxes agreement, which is how it's done
[34:18] here in the power plants in Massa.
[34:20] Massachusetts. We play over 3 million in tax to the, to
[34:24] sandwich every year. And then.
[34:26] In terms of community contributions.
[34:29] JIRA purchased the plant in 22, we've made a little
[34:32] over $215,000 in community contributions since, since.
[34:37] 2022. So really re we think it's really important to
[34:39] be part of the community.
[34:41] Just, just for context, we also owned two additional plan
[34:44] in Massachusetts Milford indictment. Those are smaller about, about 200
[34:49] mega.
[34:50] Megawatts each next slide.
[34:53] So, you know, I just mentioned talk about the community
[34:55] and our community.
[34:57] Investments. So 218,000 plus I think it's 218,500, 500 and
[35:02] some dollars we spend.
[35:05] Significant significant engagement with local high school, bringing high school
[35:09] students in for tours and education.
[35:12] About the facility and looking at opportunities.
[35:15] For careers in the power generation space.
[35:18] We have a partnership with mass maritime academy, an internship
[35:20] program.
[35:22] With workforce development opportunities and, and roughly a third of
[35:25] our employees actually are mass maritime grads. And then we
[35:29] have employee led initiative.
[35:30] Initiatives like beach community cleanup, which that's a photo from.
[35:34] We do that every year around earth day.
[35:36] And sponsorship of the
[35:39] of U w a local events, et cetera. So,
[35:43] that's a, you know, really important for us to be
[35:45] play an important, a big role in the community.
[35:49] And with the potential battery.
[35:51] Development. We see an opportunity to play an even bigger
[35:53] role.
[35:54] So we're having conversations already about the, a new pilot
[35:58] for the battery.
[36:00] And for community benefits plan.
[36:02] So we're, we're having those conversations and we know that
[36:04] that's something that we're, we're very much interviewed. Yeah.
[36:08] Consulting with the town on and consulting with residents on.
[36:10] So that's in progress.
[36:13] Go to the next slide. So the context for this
[36:15] development.
[36:17] It proposed development. Is it, what is it? A, a
[36:20] statewide call for energy storage. So the state has.
[36:24] Created a program called 83 E through the 2024 climate
[36:29] bill.
[36:30] That calls for several rounds of.
[36:33] Energy storage procurement. Last year, they had the first round.
[36:37] They called for 1500 megawatts of what they're calling mid
[36:41] duration storage.
[36:42] So batteries that can discharge from four, for four to
[36:44] 10 hours.
[36:46] And they procured roughly 1200 megawatts this year. This store,
[36:50] this, this RFP, this year is about a.
[36:54] Thousand megawatts of
[36:56] storage they're they're procuring for again, mid duration, four to
[36:59] 10 hours.
[37:01] That's a competitive procurement process and the bids are due
[37:04] on September 10th. So we are, we are in the, in
[37:08] the middle of.
[37:09] Preparing our bid right now.
[37:11] What makes canal and our bid particularly compelling. And we
[37:15] think very well positioned.
[37:18] Is that we are able to reuse the existing grid
[37:21] interconnection at the canal site.
[37:24] So there is
[37:26] a a interconnection service.
[37:28] Called surplus interconnection service. Now this is gonna get a
[37:30] little bit technical, but it's really important for why canal
[37:34] is a great, a great asset.
[37:36] For putting a battery there. This is, this is relatively
[37:39] new created by the, the, by FERC and nice, so
[37:43] new England. So in the, the.
[37:45] Regional grid by since 2022.
[37:48] And what it allows you to do is share I
[37:50] interconnection of an existing resource. So the interconnection.
[37:54] Is how the power plant connects to the grid and
[37:56] provides power to, to the transmission system. And ultimately the
[38:00] customers.
[38:01] Customers, and it's very, very expensive.
[38:04] And time consuming to build a new interconnection, but if
[38:08] you're allowed to reuse the interconnection.
[38:11] Then you save a lot of money and you save
[38:13] a lot of time. So that, that savings is passed
[38:16] on down through, you know, very convoluted.
[38:19] Convoluted process, but ultimately cheaper projects mean cheaper bills.
[38:23] Surplus interconnection service wasn't allowed in last year's.
[38:28] Year's procurement last year's RFP for batteries.
[38:31] But it is this year. We've, it's been a large
[38:33] part of my job. I'm trying to get the state
[38:37] of Massachusetts to allow it. Lots of.
[38:39] Advocacy and we were successful. So we are now able
[38:42] to use the interconnection that's already there at canal.
[38:46] That is barely ever used.
[38:48] Because as we said, canal one and two run less
[38:51] than 2% of the time we are allowed to use
[38:53] that infrastructure. That's just sitting there.
[38:55] And save a tremendous amount of money.
[38:58] And speed the process up. And so that's why this,
[39:01] this bid we believe will be very, very well positioned.
[39:04] It also just.
[39:06] Means significantly less construction, less impact you don't need new
[39:10] land. So it's, it's a really very positive thing all
[39:13] around and.
[39:14] The the, the state is now, you know, really on
[39:16] board with this. So we're very, very happy about that.
[39:19] Next slide.
[39:21] So wanna just level set about what a battery.
[39:24] In this context is because.
[39:27] It is, it is on the one hand.
[39:29] The the same kind of, you know, similar to what
[39:32] you have in your phone or in your car, you
[39:34] charge it up and then you discharge it. But this
[39:37] is.
[39:38] At grid scale. So we're talking, you know, significantly more
[39:42] powerful than, than what you, what you have in your.
[39:46] In your phone or in your car and it it's
[39:49] going to go on five and a half acres at
[39:51] the canal site. And we'll show a picture of that,
[39:53] that shortly. But.
[39:54] What's important about battery.
[39:57] Is that improves reliability for the grid? Cause it stores
[40:00] the energy when it's more available. And then.
[40:02] Releases it, when, when there's higher demand.
[40:05] It provides stability because you can smooth renewables. So what
[40:10] renewables are intermittent. And so you.
[40:14] Can charge up when the renewables are, are there and
[40:16] then discharge when the renewables are not there.
[40:19] Really it can turn on and ramp instantaneously. So if
[40:22] you go up and down, turn on, so it can
[40:24] balance.
[40:25] Grids when they're stressed.
[40:27] So that that's very important. It really, really helps with
[40:30] affordability because.
[40:32] When you are, you're discharging a battery.
[40:36] When there's peak and demand.
[40:38] When peak, when there's peak in demand, you have to
[40:40] turn on as.
[40:42] The the more expensive resources. And so that's why the
[40:45] prices go up.
[40:46] So when you have peaks and demand usually happen in
[40:49] the, the afternoon and evening.
[40:50] And you start turning on units like canal three.
[40:54] Depending on the day you start turning on these more
[40:56] expensive peakers.
[40:58] And this means that you are using power that was
[41:02] generated when it was much cheaper earlier in the day.
[41:05] And so you can discharge.
[41:06] It, you don't need to turn on that more expensive
[41:08] peaker. It helps bring down those, those peak, the prices
[41:11] in the peak hours.
[41:13] And then finally it really helps. It's really important for
[41:15] sustainability.
[41:17] You you charge the battery.
[41:19] When a luxury electricity prices are the cheapest.
[41:22] That's also when renewables are generating the most.
[41:26] And then, then you discharge when you don't have the
[41:29] renewables. And so you're able to use cleaner energy. Now
[41:32] our battery will not connect.
[41:34] Directly to a renewable facility. That is one way of
[41:36] doing it. Our battery will connect directly to the grid,
[41:39] but the way the Massachusetts program is set up, you
[41:42] have.
[41:42] To charge during hours where it is highest renewable penetration,
[41:46] and there's very specific set hours for the program.
[41:50] It changes depending on the season.
[41:52] But so you're Def you're charging when renewables are there,
[41:55] when it's the cheapest, and then you're discharging when renewables
[41:58] aren't there and it's the most expensive. So it really,
[42:00] really.
[42:01] Is a quite effective tool for, for meeting the, the,
[42:04] our, these multiple goals we're trying to accomplish.
[42:07] Next slide. So this is sort of the, the, the
[42:10] project we're proposing. We are putting it. We want to
[42:14] put a battery at canal.
[42:15] Because the incite offers existing energy infrastructure that is available
[42:20] now and which will bring down costs.
[42:23] If, if what is their supports battery development, few with
[42:27] fewer environmental and community impacts than on a brand new
[42:29] site.
[42:31] The project provides much needed storage to support grid reliability
[42:34] here in the state.
[42:36] And in the Commonwealth, excuse me, it's in the Commonwealth,
[42:40] this supporting the Commonwealth's clean energy goals.
[42:43] So, and, and what it really does.
[42:45] Is set the next chapter for canal generating. This is,
[42:49] you know, 1966.
[42:52] We don't know how long that unit is going to
[42:54] continue. We need that unit right now, but there be
[42:57] a time when that when you, when unit one and
[43:00] unit.
[43:00] Two don't don't no longer are there. We don't know
[43:03] when.
[43:04] But that we have to have to acknowledge that this
[43:06] is the next chapter.
[43:08] In canal general.
[43:11] So, this is what we're proposing.
[43:13] And by the way, this, this was, you'll see that
[43:15] ship right there, that we were delivering delivering oil during
[43:19] Fern so that we can keep help keep the lights
[43:21] on.
[43:21] So the, the project
[43:24] will be on that open spot of land that you
[43:27] see snow covered. Right now, we'll get into details on
[43:29] the map in a little bit. We, we, again, as
[43:32] we.
[43:33] Said, use existing infrastructure, the available land, the substation, the
[43:36] interconnection that saves money and time.
[43:41] We, it will be up to 320 megawatts of a
[43:43] four hour battery. So discharge over four hours.
[43:46] It's gonna utilize next generation lithium ion technology that has
[43:51] significantly.
[43:52] Reduces fire risk. It's a, the, the, the safest technology
[43:55] and why it is gonna talk about that in a
[43:57] little bit. And then we are in the final stages
[44:00] of the.
[44:01] Vendor selection from, for the battery.
[44:03] And that that selection will determine the exact megawatts, but
[44:07] it will all be on this five and a half
[44:09] acre parcel.
[44:10] And so that's, we'll we'll know.
[44:14] Relatively soon. Exactly how many megawatts we'll be able to
[44:16] put there.
[44:17] So in terms of benefits for.
[44:21] Sandwich in the Cape. Again, we've talked about a new
[44:23] pilot agreement and community benefits agreement.
[44:26] There'll be two to 300 construction jobs.
[44:28] We will be then upskilling the current canal generating employees
[44:32] so that they can run the batteries as well. So
[44:35] really training.
[44:37] For future jobs and we'll be working. We believe we're
[44:40] conversation with mass maritime to really enhance that program for
[44:44] batteries.
[44:45] And then we'll also see reduced emissions.
[44:49] For from expected lower oil and gas run time.
[44:53] At across the system for sure. But also we've run
[44:55] the numbers.
[44:57] At canal and there are reduced emissions, particularly on, on
[45:01] hot summer days.
[45:03] You'll see reduced emissions coming from when you run canal
[45:05] one and two, because you can discharge the battery. You
[45:08] lower the run, the battery.
[45:11] Let's say the battery for, for round numbers is 300
[45:13] megawatts and canal. One or canal. Two is 550 megawatts.
[45:18] You can run canal.
[45:19] Two at a lower amount, discharge the battery. So you're
[45:22] just not burning as much oil. You're not generating as
[45:24] much emissions, both CO2, but also, you know, lo local.
[45:28] Emissions, so good thing for, for local air quality. And
[45:31] then finally,
[45:33] if offshore wind does come back, we always had a
[45:35] vision that this canal would be a place where you
[45:39] could interconnect offshore, wind.
[45:41] With avoiding a beach landing, which we know we want
[45:43] to avoid.
[45:44] And so you can minimize the, the impact of, of
[45:48] offshore wind.
[45:49] By interconnecting at canal, and that doesn't preclude this, this
[45:53] battery project doesn't preclude any.
[45:55] Future interconnection for offshore wind or.
[45:58] Repowering of the existing units with, with new technology.
[46:02] So it's really, it, it really is a, a win-win
[46:05] from that perspective.
[46:07] Okay. So, so this is where.
[46:10] Where it's. So this is the sort of one mile
[46:12] radius.
[46:14] Map, you'll see canal generating on there and you'll see
[46:16] the, this gray share shaded area where the project will
[46:19] be. This, this just gives you.
[46:22] Sort of an overview, the next slide, dive in and
[46:24] see exactly where, where it is on the site.
[46:27] And so this is what we're proposing.
[46:30] That's about five and a half acres.
[46:32] Underutilized unutilized really right now.
[46:35] And a parking lot and this very, very underutilized and
[46:40] just some lay down area, frankly, it's a field.
[46:43] And then next slide, you can see what it will
[46:45] potentially look like.
[46:47] This is a, a markup. Doesn't no guarantees. It's gonna
[46:49] look like this. We're still working on the engineering.
[46:52] But, but this is in general, what you'll, what you'll
[46:54] expect. And you'll see that the, the batteries are.
[46:58] Effectively container or shipping containers. They look nicer than shipping
[47:02] containers, but that's the size and there'll be about a
[47:04] hundred of them. Give or take.
[47:06] On the site. And so they'll be laid out roughly
[47:09] like this.
[47:11] Again, this is notional. We're still working on the details,
[47:13] but this is, this gives you a sense of where
[47:15] it'll be and, and how it'll look.
[47:18] Next slide. So I want to get back to why
[47:21] canal, we think is the great site for building a
[47:24] battery.
[47:25] So Massachusetts has five criteria for site suitability.
[47:30] For new major energy projects. So climate change, resilience, carbon
[47:34] storage and sequestration biodiversity.
[47:36] Agricultural resources and social and environmental burdens.
[47:40] Burdens. So number one on climate change resilience, we know
[47:43] we are on the water.
[47:45] So we do need to worry about sea level rise.
[47:47] We had to worry about that building canal, unit three.
[47:49] And if anybody who's been there, it's really high up
[47:53] and.
[47:53] So we can manage, we know how to manage climate
[47:56] change resilience and sea level rise. And so we will
[47:58] be building these, these, the, the battery systems on.
[48:02] Platforms so that they're above any projected storm surge or
[48:05] anything like that.
[48:06] On the other on the other four criteria, there's a
[48:09] tool that Massachusetts has, and we are at the very
[48:13] top for each of them because.
[48:15] In many ways, because it is an existing site, an
[48:18] existing industrial site, but also this part of the site
[48:21] is, is relatively untouched.
[48:23] And so it, it's not a site that has ever
[48:26] been used that has real carbon storage benefits or biodiversity
[48:30] benefits.
[48:31] Benefits. It's not an agricultural site and we do not
[48:34] sit within what is considered by the state of Massachusetts,
[48:37] a burdened area.
[48:39] And so it doesn't have adverse impacts for, for burdened
[48:43] areas. And in fact, just in more in general terms,
[48:45] as we discussed.
[48:47] We do believe that this will have I improved, improved
[48:50] the local environment by, by having some, some re reductions
[48:53] in, in runtime for the canal.
[48:56] Existing generation.
[48:58] Now we will be applying for a permit and we'll
[48:59] get to the permitting timeline in a bit.
[49:02] Through a consolidated permit through the energy facility, sighting board
[49:06] EF SB has been around, but this is new regulations
[49:09] as of July.
[49:10] One. And so we'll be one of the early projects
[49:12] that goes through, goes through this process.
[49:15] But it will be, will. What we will do is
[49:18] we'll be you, you talk to all of the, the
[49:21] various permitting agencies, but then you submit.
[49:24] One consolidated permit to the EF SB. So there's a
[49:26] stakeholder engagement process.
[49:28] And we are engaged with all the various agencies and
[49:30] then it goes to EFSP one of the requirements.
[49:34] As part of this is that if you are with,
[49:35] if the project is within a one mile radius of
[49:38] a burdened area, you submit a detailed, cumulative impact analysis.
[49:42] Describing how the project will affect public health and existing
[49:45] environmental stressors. Now canal.
[49:48] Generating canal, energy storage is not within a one mile
[49:50] radius of a burdened area.
[49:53] So we do not need to submit that report, but
[49:55] regardless we are committed to mitigating any potential impacts from
[50:00] the project.
[50:01] And we're already very much thinking about that. So, so
[50:03] next slide.
[50:05] So here are the potential impacts as we see them
[50:07] now.
[50:08] And I'm gonna, I wanna be, you know, we've we've,
[50:10] this is our first meeting in public, but we have
[50:12] started talking to stakeholders in, in private and we've already
[50:15] gotten.
[50:16] Feedback and are addressing that. And so we'll, we'll, we're
[50:20] very much open to feedback here and in future forums.
[50:24] Forums. So I think the key thing to know, as
[50:26] we're thinking about feedback about the impacts and we, we
[50:29] keep harping on this, but it's the sort of the
[50:31] reason this project is.
[50:33] Is here today is that we're reusing it in existing
[50:35] infrastructure.
[50:37] And that in and of itself reduces.
[50:40] Reduces impacts across the board. And that's a, that's a
[50:41] really important, important point.
[50:45] On construction impacts. And we know that this is probably
[50:47] gonna be one of the biggest.
[50:49] Concerns is that the, just the construction burden in gen
[50:52] in the area from the, the bridge construction.
[50:56] And so we really are thinking about that and what,
[50:58] and how to reduce the sort of overall construction bur
[51:00] burden area.
[51:02] But most construction impacts will be on the project site
[51:05] itself. So really localized.
[51:08] The, the offsite impacts our primarily equipment deliveries, and those
[51:13] will happen over several months.
[51:16] That's the, the battery units.
[51:18] The electrical infrastructure, et cetera, that's all needed.
[51:21] Our aim is to have that those deliveries happen during
[51:24] winter months where there's just less traffic.
[51:27] We can't, you know, there's no, no promises, but you'll
[51:29] see the schedule right now, which we'll get to.
[51:32] Deliveries are all happening at the, at the front end
[51:34] and sort of January, February timeline.
[51:36] So again, we'll get there.
[51:39] But there's other other construction impact. We'll be probably around
[51:43] noise and we'll work building the foundation. So we'll work
[51:45] to, to mitigate that.
[51:47] Additional impacts, you know, visual impacts. We'll be putting in
[51:50] new trees and landscaping to minimize.
[51:53] Any visual impacts the noise from the operations. We'll be
[51:57] doing noise modeling analysis as part of the project design.
[52:01] To ensure that the best operations are designed to meet
[52:04] or exceed applicable noise standards. We already know how to
[52:07] do this because the power plant is there.
[52:10] Traffic. We don't expect any change in traffic patterns once
[52:13] the, the best is operating. It's the same number of
[52:16] employees.
[52:17] Employees, the construction phase we talked about we'll we'll have
[52:20] a traffic study and then stormwater.
[52:23] That's the other thing we're, we're we're thinking about, you
[52:24] saw on the map, there were retention ponds that we
[52:28] may have to we'll have to upgrade the facility in.
[52:31] One way or another, whether that's moving the retention ponds
[52:33] or.
[52:34] Building actually above the retention ponds and having permeable platforms.
[52:38] We're thinking about that. That's an engineering question.
[52:41] But we will be sure to meet mass DEP standards
[52:43] and sound town, standard guidelines. So top of mind for
[52:47] us right now.
[52:48] Next slide safety commitment. I know this is also top
[52:51] of mind for many people. So why, why don't you
[52:53] talk about this battery technology and how we approach safety?
[52:56] Sure. So, so as with Mitch at, at the beginning,
[52:59] JIRA operates about 70 gigawatts of power assets worldwide.
[53:03] And so safety really is our number one priority beyond
[53:06] any project.
[53:08] And so we take safety very seriously for all our
[53:10] operations. We have an excellent track record.
[53:14] And we intend to
[53:16] sustain that moving forward with this project, both during construction.
[53:20] As well as throughout operations.
[53:22] The in it's a, the code compliance. There's a number
[53:25] of different codes for battery projects. We intend to follow
[53:28] all the codes, some Massachusetts.
[53:30] As well as N FPA, which are buyer regulations.
[53:34] As well as UL regulations in addition.
[53:38] We are working with top rate suppliers who have never
[53:41] had safety incident, as well as.
[53:44] Top-notch engineering firms in, in order to maximize safety.
[53:49] There's a number of battery.
[53:51] Protection. So there's a number of different layers for how
[53:53] they make batteries safer than they used to be.
[53:57] So one is that every battery is continuously monitored for
[54:01] its temperature for its voltage. Current cell imbalance, as.
[54:05] Well as resistance. And if anything goes out of typical,
[54:09] operation range, then power to the batteries are cut right
[54:11] away.
[54:13] All right. Second thing is that the, the, each container
[54:16] includes detection, alarm systems, stroke lights, and so forth to
[54:20] alert.
[54:21] The fire department to where everybody in controls.
[54:24] And so forth. And then the containers.
[54:26] Which are shown up here in the right are designed
[54:28] in order to mitigate fire if and when that happens.
[54:32] So part of the codes that I mentioned above.
[54:34] What they, there, there was a time where the hope
[54:36] was that the batteries would never go on fire. So.
[54:40] Kind of two things to address that one. Is it
[54:42] it not long ago, just five, five to 10 years
[54:44] ago. The technology that was being used was nickel manganese.
[54:48] NA's cobalt was one of the prevalent ones and others,
[54:50] and it has an oxide in there that's fairly weak.
[54:53] And so when there's heating it, it.
[54:56] It degrades and then the oxygen's released and you get
[54:59] thermal runaway. So that was a problem. And that's actually
[55:02] still a problem with all the batteries that are in
[55:04] her.
[55:05] Computers and our cell phones and so forth.
[55:08] The new battery technology that's in place. The storage today
[55:11] is called iron lithium iron phosphate.
[55:15] And it has a much more tenacious oxygen that doesn't
[55:18] degrade. And so thermal runaway risk are significantly less.
[55:22] So the battery chemistry is already improved quite significantly.
[55:26] The second thing is that the, the other there's a
[55:29] lot of engineering controls now where the assumption is okay.
[55:33] Let's assume there is a fire.
[55:35] Then how do we contain it? What happens then?
[55:38] So, what they do in these tests is like UL
[55:41] 9, 9 54, and as well as NFPA, a 55.
[55:46] As they look to actually start fires.
[55:49] Fires similarly, a thermal runaway.
[55:52] And the design, the containers now. So that between the
[55:55] battery cells, there's actually protection to stop the battery from
[55:58] falling from one cell to another.
[56:00] Cell on top of that, then the container's designed to
[56:04] mitigate fire.
[56:06] And so when they test these, they actually will put,
[56:09] put the fire in and see what happens. And the
[56:11] key for the test is that it's just contained to
[56:14] the.
[56:14] Container and another container doesn't catch fire. So the idea
[56:19] then is that if a fire were to occur,
[56:22] the fire department comes, they actually just watch it burn
[56:25] and that's, that's it. And so that's what these codes
[56:28] are designed to, to implement.
[56:30] So the
[56:33] let's see, in, in addition to the container technology and
[56:36] the battery technology, the roads.
[56:38] In lanes and the best layout that you've showed earlier.
[56:42] Is situated in such a way in order to mitigate
[56:45] safety hazards as well to enable fire response.
[56:49] And then in addition to that, we're looking at water
[56:52] management, raised elevation, reinforced land, as you mentioning.
[56:56] In order to improve resilience throughout the years.
[57:00] And then a key part of this is we will
[57:02] be sponsoring emergency response training for the fire department.
[57:06] Working hand in hand to make sure that the town
[57:09] and the community are comfortable.
[57:11] With it and how, you know, what the response plan
[57:14] would be.
[57:21] We've already started. This is another safety slide. Why, why
[57:23] I touched on all this stuff and you know, we,
[57:25] we bring why in, cause he knows this stuff, the
[57:27] technical stuff. If anyone has technical.
[57:29] Questions is this guy. It will answer them. We, we
[57:31] can go to the next slide. Why, why? I already
[57:33] touched on this?
[57:35] One question that is important is how we think about
[57:37] decommissioning.
[57:39] Because you, you want to thank 20 years ahead. Batteries,
[57:44] battery systems have a veteran best systems, have an expected.
[57:47] Lifespan of about 20 years. So we are already starting
[57:50] to think about decommissioning.
[57:52] You. And so there is a decommissioning protocol for, for
[57:56] battery energy storage systems and you remove everything. You recycle
[57:59] the batter.
[58:00] Batteries, et cetera. We expect to be able to provide
[58:04] financial assurance for decommissioning in the form of a bond
[58:07] or an escrow payment.
[58:09] Just so that that's all guaranteed. I think though, the
[58:11] one thing we want to say is that who knows
[58:14] what the world looks like in 20 years, we may
[58:16] the te.
[58:17] Technology may be totally different. And we te tear all
[58:19] these out and put in something new, or we may
[58:21] be as, you know, as batteries degrade, replacing them, upgrading
[58:24] them, et cetera.
[58:25] And so 20 years is a long time from now,
[58:27] but, but we're already thinking about making sure that the,
[58:31] the resources are there for decommissioning.
[58:34] Next slide. So, so this is the schedule, the preliminary
[58:37] high level schedule. Don't take this.
[58:41] As, as truth, take this as notional.
[58:44] Right now, because things can change, but I wanna talk
[58:45] about just a couple of key things on, on this
[58:48] schedule.
[58:49] So you'll look at when we're going to come online.
[58:53] And so that is the, that when this is it's
[58:56] called Cod commercial operation date, and that is Q1 2030.
[59:01] 23 that's when we aim to come online.
[59:04] So that's, you know, that's a few years from now,
[59:05] there's a, there's a world in which we can pull
[59:07] that a couple months, a couple months forward.
[59:10] Everybody would like that, but, but we're held up by,
[59:13] you know, there's just any number of things that you
[59:15] have to do when you're building a project.
[59:17] The longest lead item on this is actually permitting.
[59:21] And so we are working on the permitting plan right
[59:24] now, as we mentioned, we apply for a permit through
[59:26] the EF SB.
[59:28] EFSP we expect to apply for that permit.
[59:31] In early Q2 next year, assuming this all moves ahead.
[59:36] And then there is a 15 month turnaround on approvals.
[59:41] Approvals. And so we can't start construction until that's all
[59:43] approved.
[59:44] So we're really looking at construction starting at the end
[59:47] of 28 or early 29.
[59:50] Before we, we, before we submit the permit to application
[59:54] to the E F S B, there is a range.
[59:57] Of required community and stakeholder engagement.
[1:00:01] And some of this we've already started. We do meetings
[1:00:03] with all, all key stakeholders and there's sort of a
[1:00:05] list in the regulations of how it works. And so
[1:00:08] we're, we're starting to do that privately.
[1:00:10] And then there are a number of public meetings that
[1:00:12] are required. So the first, this, this does not qualify
[1:00:15] as public meeting, but.
[1:00:18] It the first public meeting though. It is very public.
[1:00:22] None of us qualify apparently, but the first public meeting
[1:00:24] will be two weeks from today.
[1:00:26] So September 3rd.
[1:00:29] At, at 6:00 PM at what's the, the center for active
[1:00:33] living. Yep. And so you can find out information on
[1:00:36] that.
[1:00:37] On our website, which also went live today.
[1:00:41] Canal energy storage, ma.com.
[1:00:44] We try to get just canal, energy storage, but someone
[1:00:46] else has that. We're trying to buy that from them.
[1:00:48] We can't can't even reach them. So we don't know
[1:00:51] what it's an empty site.
[1:00:53] Nothing there, but, but you can find out information about
[1:00:55] the, about the public meeting.
[1:00:58] And there'll be lots of opportunity for engagement.
[1:01:01] Through that public meeting and, and then additional public meetings.
[1:01:03] So we'll also have another public meeting.
[1:01:06] In January or February.
[1:01:09] Once we know the results from the RFP.
[1:01:11] RFP that again, that application for the RFP is due
[1:01:14] September 10th. We believe we have a very strong application and
[1:01:18] we will know if.
[1:01:20] We are awarded through that process in January.
[1:01:23] And then we'll have another public meeting after that because
[1:01:25] we'll have much more information about moving forward.
[1:01:29] That doesn't mean we're not gonna be around or engaging.
[1:01:32] We're working on some stuff right now about in interim
[1:01:35] en engagements. We may.
[1:01:37] Have another public meeting. If we decide that there's enough
[1:01:39] interest in the, in the interim, but those two are
[1:01:41] things that we, we definitely, we definitely know.
[1:01:44] We'll be doing, we really hope you encourage.
[1:01:47] Everyone to come out to that meeting on September 3rd.
[1:01:51] And, and then yeah, the, the rest of the, the
[1:01:53] rest of the time is the permit Inc. The engineering
[1:01:56] and then construction.
[1:01:58] Starting, you know, at the end of 20, 28. And so
[1:02:00] that's why, when I mentioned we're, the aim is to
[1:02:03] do, do all those deliveries in the winter. That's why
[1:02:05] it looks like that. Right.
[1:02:06] Now this just, you know, frankly, nobody wants to deal
[1:02:09] with the traffic in the summer.
[1:02:12] Anyway, I came down here this morning and there was
[1:02:14] already traffic.
[1:02:17] So, so yeah, that's, that's the, that's the schedule. Next
[1:02:21] slide.
[1:02:22] And I did. I just actually went through all this.
[1:02:24] This is the, the out, out community outreach and engagement
[1:02:26] plan, but this is a little more detailed, but.
[1:02:30] We have, you know, all of the, all of this
[1:02:31] will be happening over the next few months. Lots of
[1:02:34] meetings, lots of engagement, lots of opportunities for feedback. And.
[1:02:38] We really hope to get your feedback again. As I
[1:02:40] said, we, in, in some of our early stakeholder meetings,
[1:02:43] we got really great feedback and already started addressing that.
[1:02:46] Next slide. So, yeah, that's it. We're, we're eager for
[1:02:50] your feedback.
[1:02:51] And then the next slide has all of our contact
[1:02:53] information.
[1:02:55] So for now, you can reach out to me. That's
[1:02:57] my email address. Feel free to take a picture of
[1:03:00] that if you want. That's our, that's our address in
[1:03:02] Houston.
[1:03:03] Where you send all mail and we know we'll get
[1:03:04] it. Or phone number.
[1:03:06] For our Houston headquarters are up there. You also know
[1:03:08] where the plant is.
[1:03:10] And so, you know, go to the go. If you
[1:03:11] have questions, you can, you know, drop 'em off at
[1:03:13] security.
[1:03:14] Website is up there.
[1:03:17] At is live as of today.
[1:03:19] And will be continued to have new updates as, as
[1:03:22] things develop. So, you know, keep, you can continue to
[1:03:25] Mon monitor that and then there'll be there.
[1:03:27] There's an email list. You can sign up for that.
[1:03:29] Through the email there. Info canal, energy storage, ma.com. You
[1:03:34] can also sign up.
[1:03:35] For the email list on our website.
[1:03:38] And with that open to questions.
[1:03:42] Questions comments, et cetera.
[1:03:46] Questions from the board.
[1:03:50] I can go.
[1:03:52] I, I, this is a very exciting and.
[1:03:56] Awesome project. I think in, you know, looking at the
[1:03:57] trends of what's been going on in Massachusetts with the
[1:04:00] plant closings, Somerset, Plymouth, I, I, so to.
[1:04:04] See a plant, actively looking at new technologies to be
[1:04:07] reused is very exciting.
[1:04:09] You, you really touched on all the questions I was
[1:04:12] thinking I was gonna have for this project. So that's
[1:04:13] great.
[1:04:15] The only thing I think.
[1:04:17] This is, you know, having these.
[1:04:20] These new technologies and these smaller.
[1:04:22] More modular technologies really helps with grid hardening too, for,
[1:04:26] for safety as well. Mm-hmm , you know, I, I
[1:04:29] know I've been researching that.
[1:04:30] A lot of the plans are now to really go
[1:04:33] more in our localized manner because of.
[1:04:36] It's easier to control if there's some sort of attack
[1:04:38] on the grid. Yep. Exactly.
[1:04:41] The battery technology. You touched on that, cuz I was
[1:04:43] gonna say it's moving so fast, but you touched on
[1:04:46] the decommissioning.
[1:04:49] And the, the jobs I was gonna ask about that.
[1:04:51] And it seems like I know a lot of times
[1:04:54] it's.
[1:04:55] It's people from Texas are kind of going around doing
[1:04:57] a lot of the battery installation, but it sounds like
[1:04:59] you're gonna have localized training. So that's great as well.
[1:05:01] Yeah. Yep.
[1:05:02] Yep. The only, I guess question is, you know, for
[1:05:05] some reason,
[1:05:07] this project doesn't move forward. Whether it's.
[1:05:10] It's because the Commonwealth or whatever, is there, are there
[1:05:12] any other plans maybe in the process for.
[1:05:15] Re utilizing the site as well.
[1:05:18] Plans is too strong, a word it's something I've always,
[1:05:20] there's something we're always talking about. Yeah. And so there
[1:05:23] are, there are conversations about.
[1:05:26] What everything looks like that's next, but there's nothing concrete.
[1:05:30] And so right now we're really focused on, on this
[1:05:32] project. We think it's.
[1:05:34] It's a great project. And so we're really, really do
[1:05:36] hope it moves ahead.
[1:05:38] And in, and, you know, so we're, we're looking at
[1:05:40] all the options for that. And we think it's a,
[1:05:43] you know, consider it frankly, AFL a flagship project for
[1:05:45] us. Yes.
[1:05:46] So it's, it's getting the top, top attention from leaders
[1:05:49] in our company. All right. The project developers, the lead
[1:05:52] project developer is actually in Japan at our headquarters.
[1:05:54] Right now, you know, briefing our senior senior leadership on,
[1:05:58] on this project. So scene is very, very important. I
[1:06:01] think it's an awesome project. So excited.
[1:06:03] I'm excited for it. Thank you.
[1:06:08] I mean, I just, yeah, you touched on pretty much
[1:06:10] everything, which is, which is always nice that you come.
[1:06:14] Prepared. I know that the, you know, you touched on
[1:06:16] the safety thing, which I know is, you know, I
[1:06:19] got.
[1:06:20] You know, that's, that's probably gonna be the biggest, you
[1:06:22] know, stumbling block for you guys, you know, publicly is.
[1:06:25] You know, how much of a risk this opposed to,
[1:06:27] you know, the surrounding, you know, neighbors, but it sounds
[1:06:30] like that that.
[1:06:32] Fact you have some serious thought went into that versus
[1:06:34] what it, you know, what it used to be. Exactly.
[1:06:35] Yeah. Which is great.
[1:06:38] And that you're, you know, there's gonna be training for
[1:06:40] our fire department to assist with that, which is also
[1:06:43] huge.
[1:06:44] But no, thank you. As a, you know, like Dave
[1:06:46] was saying it's, you know, as I'm running through my
[1:06:48] questions, I just like the next slide answer at the
[1:06:49] next slide answer. So thank you. Appreciate it.
[1:06:53] Yeah, not to be rude of, but the.
[1:06:57] Outreach the fires.
[1:06:59] Was always important to me and yep.
[1:07:02] Thank you for including that perspective.
[1:07:06] Yeah, of course. So key, obviously a key consideration.
[1:07:09] And as, as all the plan knows safety comes first.
[1:07:13] So the plant team is fantastic.
[1:07:15] Already, we're gonna train them on, on this piece of
[1:07:17] it. So all of that is really, really cool.
[1:07:21] And I, I had the opportunity with a number of
[1:07:23] other public officials to get a preview of this presentation
[1:07:27] and pieces of it several weeks ago.
[1:07:29] So I think it's certainly exciting, low impact product.
[1:07:33] But also, you know, a very important new opportunity for
[1:07:36] significant, meaningful new revenue for the town, right? The town
[1:07:39] does not have.
[1:07:41] A lot of opportunities for meaningful new revenue, right? When
[1:07:44] we.
[1:07:45] See some of these smaller commercial buildings.
[1:07:47] Buildings constructed. That's great. All dollars are good dollars, but
[1:07:50] this is actually something that would produce an amount of
[1:07:53] revenue that would make a meaningful difference.
[1:07:55] Especially, especially as we look forward towards new projects and
[1:07:58] just, just other initiatives. So I'm very enthusiastic about it.
[1:08:02] I appreciate you being so.
[1:08:04] Thorough in detailed and professional as you, your team always
[1:08:07] is. So thank you.
[1:08:09] Thank you. Thank you so much.
[1:08:11] What anything? I, I would just say like, you know,
[1:08:13] looking out long-term like for the environmental and financial health
[1:08:16] in the town, like, I don't think there's anything better
[1:08:18] that we could do.
[1:08:20] Over the years, people talk a lot about economic development,
[1:08:23] but if they really a, if they really look at
[1:08:25] like how many actually capital.
[1:08:28] Capitalized experienced and knowledgeable developers come to the town.
[1:08:31] And as Dave said, when they build things, the scale
[1:08:33] is so much smaller than this.
[1:08:36] Just for rough perspective. I know when we did the
[1:08:38] new unit.
[1:08:39] Three, the quick start unit that was the financial equivalent
[1:08:43] of 25. Stop and shop plazas on.
[1:08:46] On six, which would include the CVS and all the
[1:08:48] other businesses around it. So when people talk about sandwich
[1:08:51] doesn't support, economic development, a they don't.
[1:08:54] Don't know what they're talking about, but when you really,
[1:08:57] when you really.
[1:08:58] But when you really look, not that I'm defensive, but
[1:09:01] when you look at, when you look at the opportunity
[1:09:05] that this facility provides,
[1:09:07] provides and knowing how antiquated the current infrastructure is and
[1:09:10] that this.
[1:09:11] You know, sort of shows that there's a commitment to
[1:09:13] try to reinvigorate and to maximize the use of the
[1:09:16] property.
[1:09:17] You know, all of our special energy council, all of
[1:09:20] the consultants we've worked with through the years have always
[1:09:22] said, you could never permit a site like this today.
[1:09:26] You know, so there's something valuable there and we just
[1:09:28] hope we can work with all this to, you know,
[1:09:31] enhance that and to end most importantly, to make, you
[1:09:33] know,
[1:09:34] the environmental emissions and everything else that much better.
[1:09:37] Yes, sir. And the, the ed child school of, of
[1:09:39] revenue and assessment.
[1:09:42] Would tell you that sandwich has the highest commercial tax
[1:09:44] revenue of any town on the Cape. Thanks to the
[1:09:47] facility that we have in the canal.
[1:09:49] But I would also just like to mention that JIRA
[1:09:51] has been a tremendous partner to the town. Bud mentioned
[1:09:53] this before, but we appreciate your ongoing partnership.
[1:09:57] In a, in a variety of ways that.
[1:09:59] I'm not gonna get into detail on, but you know,
[1:10:01] I know that there's a number of different things. You
[1:10:03] guys have done the donations, et cetera. And, and I
[1:10:05] want to thank you.
[1:10:07] Oh, Dave, can I just say one thing that I
[1:10:08] thinks really important too, is like we don't blindly support
[1:10:10] projects. Like we support projects that make sense or really
[1:10:14] well.
[1:10:15] Designed and developing would make a big difference in a
[1:10:17] positive way to the town.
[1:10:19] But we've worked really closely. And I know the board's
[1:10:21] aware of this, the public probably isn't like, you know,
[1:10:23] we've had the same special energy council for over 30
[1:10:26] years.
[1:10:27] For whomever's owned the, the property and they've guided us
[1:10:29] really well through the years.
[1:10:32] When Pryor owners have proposed new units.
[1:10:37] One was successful. One was not, but again, we had
[1:10:40] the same special energy council. We had some great consultants.
[1:10:44] That we worked with to provide that third party impartial
[1:10:47] review of what's being proposed.
[1:10:49] So all the things that Randy and Wyatt touched on,
[1:10:52] we're gonna, you know, triple check that that's accurate making
[1:10:55] out for the, the public and the town.
[1:10:58] But we're very confident with the work that's happened, but
[1:11:01] we also have a really good support team behind the
[1:11:04] scenes. And.
[1:11:06] I don't even think I've updated the board, but you
[1:11:08] know, we have three sub-consultants that we've reached out to
[1:11:11] that we have contracts that we're reviewing right now.
[1:11:14] That will help us in that third party review of
[1:11:16] what's been been proposed.
[1:11:18] And at least from our experience on the last two
[1:11:20] times, that significant projects.
[1:11:23] Projects were proposed.
[1:11:25] It's really been those consultants that have had to answer
[1:11:28] questions from the public and local boards, even more so
[1:11:31] than the, you know, the team that JIRA is.
[1:11:34] Working with. So it's critical that we get really good
[1:11:36] qualified people to help us. And we're, we're in the
[1:11:39] process of finalizing that. So that's good.
[1:11:42] I think it's also important for the public. Cause I
[1:11:44] know how things get churned up when topics come up
[1:11:47] sometimes. Right. So, and bud would know the detail on
[1:11:49] this better.
[1:11:50] Than me, but many years ago when there was a.
[1:11:53] Payment problem from the power plants owners.
[1:11:55] That was many owners and many years ago that is
[1:11:58] old news.
[1:12:00] Way in the history books. So, you know,
[1:12:02] no one needs to have concerns about that type of
[1:12:05] situation.
[1:12:07] Former treasurer collector. I can say that .
[1:12:12] I was always very happy to see him. So.
[1:12:16] Gentlemen. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. We
[1:12:18] appreciate it. Appreciate your time.
[1:12:25] Okay. Old business.
[1:12:28] Matters, not reasonably anticipated.
[1:12:32] Anyone don't worry coming out. I a.
[1:12:39] Yep. Soon. I apologize. A couple more minutes. I appreciate
[1:12:42] that. You're anxious.
[1:12:45] New business request to declare suicide prevention month.
[1:12:51] Yes in your packet, there's a request from.
[1:12:56] The steering committee from the Cape and island.
[1:12:58] Suicide prevention coalition to
[1:13:01] designate September suicide prevention month. I believe we've done it
[1:13:04] the last many years. If you approve it in your
[1:13:06] signature folder, we have the proclamation that.
[1:13:13] Yeah. Make a motion that we declare suicide prevention month.
[1:13:18] For the month of September 20, 26 as presented.
[1:13:22] Percentage second. Okay. We have a motion for Mr. Hawk
[1:13:25] with a second.
[1:13:26] From Mr. Holden, any discussion on the motion?
[1:13:29] Seeing none. All those in favor. Aye. Aye. It is
[1:13:32] unanimous.
[1:13:35] Matters, not reasonably anticipated for.
[1:13:38] New business, not that many.
[1:13:42] Okay. That brings us to our second opportunity for public
[1:13:45] comment.
[1:13:46] Thank you.
[1:13:49] Mr. You'll be next.
[1:13:53] George silver from 30 PM. Andrea drive. Sandridge.
[1:13:57] And I just don't know where I start because of.
[1:14:02] The situation of the
[1:14:06] village green. It is, it is said.
[1:14:08] They comment. I apologize for my English. Okay. It's not
[1:14:13] my first language.
[1:14:15] But anyway, it's just
[1:14:18] he is a company. They know that Thomas.
[1:14:22] First, you know,
[1:14:23] the filling that I have is.
[1:14:26] They really don't want them to be billed.
[1:14:29] Then we have our own group.
[1:14:31] With our own lawyer fighting against them.
[1:14:34] So there's a few things against this company.
[1:14:37] And what did they do? They go ahead and cut
[1:14:39] all these trees.
[1:14:40] Without permit without notification.
[1:14:44] With nothing. I, I just don't get it.
[1:14:46] So I'm confused.
[1:14:49] And personally, I, I, I.
[1:14:52] I'm I'm I, if the tongue can't do anything.
[1:14:55] Financially and probably would not matter because they had lot
[1:14:58] of money.
[1:15:00] I assume it's just
[1:15:04] I don't know what the power that you can have
[1:15:06] to stop.
[1:15:08] This company of doing
[1:15:10] harm because the environment is, is number one.
[1:15:15] The pond is number one. I can see it down
[1:15:17] the road.
[1:15:18] Ears and ears down the road.
[1:15:21] Where the drugs came worse than worse than a Cape.
[1:15:23] And we don't have rivers.
[1:15:26] Rivers to go back to Peter ponds and use their
[1:15:29] water for.
[1:15:30] Emergency to supply the town.
[1:15:33] So we have to stop protecting their water.
[1:15:36] Right now and, and, you know, and.
[1:15:39] I'm sure it was pickleball. I have.
[1:15:42] Like records. I played pickleball.
[1:15:45] Ball, but I thought this here was more long, more
[1:15:48] important because it was police.
[1:15:50] School system, fire department environment.
[1:15:56] And they were concerning more about pickleball, not against them.
[1:16:00] I play myself.
[1:16:02] But I'm just confused. I hope I'm not losing my
[1:16:04] mind. Thank you.
[1:16:06] Thank you. And I, I will say I'm not gonna
[1:16:07] go into detail on this, but the town is certainly
[1:16:10] not looking the other way on the village green situation
[1:16:13] and it is being pursued.
[1:16:14] In, in the ways that make sense based on what
[1:16:18] the processes are that exist there.
[1:16:20] Ms. Dennis. Thank you.
[1:16:26] Okay.
[1:16:28] Christine Dennis S and drive sandwich.
[1:16:31] Tonight, I'm here to talk about village green, chapter 40
[1:16:34] B and fines.
[1:16:36] Finds as, as you know,
[1:16:38] and are well aware. People are angry, including myself upset
[1:16:41] and also feel a sense of frustration with no immediate.
[1:16:45] Actions fines or punishment being brought forth for the acres
[1:16:48] of clearcutting.
[1:16:50] This frustration.
[1:16:52] Inspired me to research fines and chapter 40 40 B
[1:16:55] pro projects. And I'd just like to quickly share what
[1:16:58] I found.
[1:16:59] Chapter 40, be explicitly strips, local boards of many enforcement
[1:17:03] mechanisms.
[1:17:05] Mechanisms, our local zoning board of appeals cannot.
[1:17:09] Independently levy.
[1:17:11] Levy statutory fines. Instead, the town's building inspector or commissioner.
[1:17:16] Must issue a notice of violation, which the town then
[1:17:20] takes to a Massachusetts superior court to enforce fines.
[1:17:24] Finds daily penalties or injunctions.
[1:17:27] Injunctions. I was relieved to read that there are towns
[1:17:29] in Massachusetts.
[1:17:32] That pursued fines.
[1:17:35] Finds and penalties against non-compliant 40 B housing developers, such
[1:17:39] as.
[1:17:40] Ours here. For example, the town of Hanover verse 40
[1:17:43] feet, 40 B developer in superior court.
[1:17:46] The developer feel failed to adhere to conditions.
[1:17:50] Outlined in the zoning board of appeals, comprehensive permit.
[1:17:54] The town's zoning enforcement officer.
[1:17:57] Which I learned is
[1:17:59] usually you're building inspector. I thought that was the zoning
[1:18:02] board of appeals, but just the word zoning. Just if
[1:18:05] anyone else is confused.
[1:18:07] The town's zoning enforcement officer issued violations and the town
[1:18:12] filed suit at the Plymouth county superior court seeking an
[1:18:15] in.
[1:18:16] Injection injunction and the assessment of fines.
[1:18:19] Fines, the Massachusetts appeals court stated that while chapter 40
[1:18:23] B streamlines the approval process.
[1:18:26] Once a comprehensive permit is issued. The developer is fully
[1:18:29] bound by its conditions.
[1:18:32] Conditioned and the town
[1:18:35] of Hanover was able to enforce those conditions through superior
[1:18:38] court, court, equity actions and fines. There's one more.
[1:18:43] Briefly the town of Salisbury, Trident 40 B litigation in
[1:18:47] Essex county superior court.
[1:18:50] Municipality sought to hold a developer accountable.
[1:18:53] For comprehensive permit deviations.
[1:18:56] Town utilized its building inspector to issue explicit cease and
[1:19:00] desist orders.
[1:19:02] When the developer resisted local enforcement, the town escalated the
[1:19:05] matter to the superior court to compel a shutdown of
[1:19:08] construction.
[1:19:10] And request the court impose max maximum.
[1:19:13] Statutory daily fines, which is up to $300 per day.
[1:19:17] For operating indirect violation of their permit.
[1:19:21] These are two examples of case studies similar to our
[1:19:24] current.
[1:19:26] Situation. I am not an attorney, but I felt compelled
[1:19:29] to share this knowledge with the public, with you.
[1:19:33] And
[1:19:34] we've got to do something before the next violation. We
[1:19:37] need to be prepared and we need to know our
[1:19:39] rights.
[1:19:40] Rights. I hope this spas for the conversation within this
[1:19:43] board.
[1:19:44] And up to our town's legal counsel.
[1:19:46] For advisement. Thank you very much.
[1:19:49] Thank you.
[1:19:53] Anyone else, Republic comment this evening.
[1:19:56] Department.
[1:19:59] Thank you. I just wanna say, I saw one of
[1:20:01] those clients built those battery plants.
[1:20:05] They're beautiful. They're the, the best and what they really
[1:20:09] are.
[1:20:10] For in layman's term, it's the grid is losing it.
[1:20:13] I hope it doesn't take from my time.
[1:20:15] The the, the grid.
[1:20:18] Is
[1:20:20] when the grid is losing power.
[1:20:23] All the time, the, the, the, and that's what these
[1:20:25] batteries do. The grid is powerful.
[1:20:29] And it is too much power out there. These batteries.
[1:20:32] Take that in store and when the grid needs power,
[1:20:34] just like you said, and it's, I saw one in
[1:20:37] Hoboken, New Jersey, and it was in the right on the.
[1:20:40] Metal Lance in the middle of.
[1:20:42] Neighborhoods and
[1:20:45] couldn't be be alright. That's it.
[1:20:48] It's a privilege to speak to you. Select me, Peter Hartman,
[1:20:52] 14 anchor drive.
[1:20:54] Forestdale temple ponds estate. I'm back to talk about the
[1:20:57] I illegal HOA.
[1:21:00] A in my neighborhood again, tonight is the HOA block
[1:21:03] party in my neighborhood.
[1:21:06] 5k eight. They claim they have a permission to block
[1:21:08] streets. I thought they had a permit.
[1:21:11] Just like when they had permission for cannon.
[1:21:14] Canon fire on July 4th. You guys could check that out
[1:21:17] if you wanted to.
[1:21:18] Saw a new neighbor. I introduced myself.
[1:21:21] He said he might Sue his realtor.
[1:21:24] Because he specifically asked for a neighborhood with no HOA.
[1:21:28] HOA. And, but he got, got a letter that says
[1:21:31] the HOA dues were 150.
[1:21:34] Dollars a year. His lawyer said it was no documentation.
[1:21:38] At the registry of deeds or at the town assessor's
[1:21:41] office.
[1:21:42] Also, we had no amendment in his deed. I told
[1:21:45] him how I'd come to the selectman meeting to protest
[1:21:47] this illegal activity.
[1:21:50] He asked me where, where is the common space? I
[1:21:52] said there is none.
[1:21:53] All of those repair, go to pay for entrances.
[1:21:58] Entrances that the same landscape of it takes care of
[1:22:00] these entrances on six.
[1:22:02] Private people's property also takes care of.
[1:22:05] The offices of the HOA.
[1:22:07] HOA, they don't follow community standards of registry at deeds
[1:22:11] or the assessor's office. They get their legality. They say
[1:22:14] from the Commonwealth.
[1:22:16] Of Massachusetts secretary of state, which is not community standards
[1:22:20] required by law.
[1:22:22] It's funny, younger homeowners. Think this is legal.
[1:22:25] They said we signed documentation that said, this is an
[1:22:28] HOA neighborhood.
[1:22:30] How confused they are. They signed documentation that we're in
[1:22:33] HOA.
[1:22:34] HOA and I have to pay, but show no documentation.
[1:22:37] Another neighbor in years past said the old, the illegal
[1:22:40] HOA had documents that said they would participate in the
[1:22:44] HOA for.
[1:22:46] Another 20 years. Another neighbor said she signed it.
[1:22:51] Another neighbor who's watching this meeting said, how can you
[1:22:54] start these people? It seems that some of these think
[1:22:57] they're P.
[1:22:58] Privileged camp is all over the place. Two campus in
[1:23:01] one front yard.
[1:23:03] Public safety vehicles packed.
[1:23:06] Off off and on in front of their house.
[1:23:09] I said, I didn't think any of these selectmen are
[1:23:12] being played by these arrogant, elitist neighbors.
[1:23:15] Neighbors. They just need to be educated to what's happening
[1:23:17] here.
[1:23:18] He said, well, this neighborhood looks like a trailer park
[1:23:21] with campus parked up in front in their driveways and
[1:23:24] others with more than two unregistered vehicles parked.
[1:23:27] In the yard. I said, I believe in government.
[1:23:30] And these selectmen and when they realize what's going on,
[1:23:34] they will do the right thing and give.
[1:23:37] Community standards to us all.
[1:23:39] Another neighbor said I should take the letter. They, they
[1:23:42] sent to me to the postmaster.
[1:23:45] Because it's illegal to demand fraudulent payments.
[1:23:49] Payments from anyone. And so he said that.
[1:23:53] One of the key elements is to go to the
[1:23:55] postmaster.
[1:23:56] Because he would take, take, take care of this.
[1:23:59] A lady walked by my house and asked if I
[1:24:01] was going to this block potty. The illegal HOA was
[1:24:05] having, I said, no.
[1:24:07] Because we don't have an HOA. She said, can't we
[1:24:10] just pretend that we are.
[1:24:12] I said, no, I already gave him a thousand dig
[1:24:14] dollars, pretending he is over. How about voluntary HOA?
[1:24:18] A never meant to be compact combative at these meetings,
[1:24:21] but understand you select men are trying to do the
[1:24:24] right thing.
[1:24:26] And that's all I'm looking for is community standards. I
[1:24:29] want community standards as these people say,
[1:24:32] the Hoi are just a bunch of arrogant criminals. And
[1:24:35] I have a bunch of other follows that just don't
[1:24:38] know what laws are and what community.
[1:24:40] Standards mean, and again, I thank you for listening and
[1:24:43] please help our neighborhood. Thanks.
[1:24:46] So I'm gonna say a couple things. Yes. If there's
[1:24:48] unregistered vehicles, you report those to the police department. They
[1:24:51] deal with enforcement of unregistered vehicles. Oh. So.
[1:24:54] So you should register that with the police department and
[1:24:56] register those complaints with them. Understood the same thing with
[1:25:00] campers that might be parked in proximity.
[1:25:02] To homes that are public safety issues.
[1:25:05] Issues, the building department would deal with that.
[1:25:08] Yes. Okay. You mentioned that the landscaper does the things
[1:25:13] have, have they always used the same landscaper? No, they
[1:25:16] haven't. They.
[1:25:17] Use that's how I
[1:25:19] found out about this.
[1:25:21] They had no common space. And they asked me to
[1:25:24] do landscape in.
[1:25:26] Six years ago. Did you do it? Yes, I did.
[1:25:28] And did you get paid.
[1:25:31] Somewhat. So you got paid by a criminal organization? Yes,
[1:25:34] I did. Before I knew. So did you give the
[1:25:35] money back? Huh? Before I knew what.
[1:25:38] It was no, I can get that's cause I would.
[1:25:41] Suggest that if you accepted this money from a criminal
[1:25:44] organization that actually further.
[1:25:47] Supports that this is a civil issue.
[1:25:50] No. No. So, so, so this is, again, we don't
[1:25:53] have any jurisdiction here, as I've told you before.
[1:25:56] But the issue does not really exist at this table.
[1:26:00] So I thank you for your comments.
[1:26:02] Comments. There's nothing we can do about this, but you're
[1:26:05] welcome to keep coming back cuz I know that you
[1:26:07] will. Yeah, because.
[1:26:10] What I wanna say to you that I didn't know
[1:26:13] was a criminal activity at that time, because when I
[1:26:15] took care of the entrances for them,
[1:26:18] for, they said, would you take, I retired? And they
[1:26:21] said, would you take care of the entrances? I said,
[1:26:24] yes, our kids are going to college. So I said,
[1:26:26] yes, I would. They said we can only pay a
[1:26:29] $2,600.
[1:26:32] I didn't really care. It was April to November. Right?
[1:26:35] I do I did. I went down $2,600 is a
[1:26:38] substantial amount of money. No, but I didn't get that.
[1:26:40] I mean, you didn't let me finish. Okay. Alright. So.
[1:26:44] What I did is I went down and I started
[1:26:45] taking care of the entrances and I never got paid
[1:26:48] to tell you the truth. I maybe got 300 bucks.
[1:26:52] But what happened is I, I went down to take
[1:26:55] care of the, the entrances and the person that ran
[1:26:58] the illegal HOA said that.
[1:27:00] I also had to cut the grass.
[1:27:02] I said, can you show me where.
[1:27:05] The common space is
[1:27:07] and where the property lines are.
[1:27:10] They said there is no common space.
[1:27:12] There is, this is all owned by these private homeowners.
[1:27:17] Homeowners. So I asked them, well, why don't you go
[1:27:19] talk to 'em and have 'em cut the grass.
[1:27:22] She said
[1:27:24] maybe you should. I said, I'm not a.
[1:27:26] Know, nothing about this organization. You just asked me to
[1:27:29] do something. I said to be a good neighbor. I
[1:27:31] said, I would do it.
[1:27:33] So she said, well, I'm going to Australia.
[1:27:38] I said, okay. And I never heard from him when
[1:27:40] I came back, all the lawns were cut by their
[1:27:43] landscaper.
[1:27:44] She calls me up on the phone. She says,
[1:27:46] do you see, I got them to cut the lawns.
[1:27:49] I said, oh, good for you. Thank you very much.
[1:27:52] And, and she said, so we're cutting your pay from
[1:27:55] $2,600.
[1:27:58] To a thousand dollars from it. I said, no. No,
[1:28:00] thank you. I'm all set.
[1:28:03] And I never
[1:28:06] I gave her stuff back and then I started investigating
[1:28:09] HOAs. And I want to ask you.
[1:28:11] Mr. Sampson in bud in any.
[1:28:15] Do you know who the trustees of this H O
[1:28:17] a am.
[1:28:18] M it's a private entity that has nothing to do
[1:28:20] with us. No, but you could call up the county.
[1:28:23] Excuse me. You could call up the county. They're all
[1:28:25] listed. You could call up the.
[1:28:27] County and see who the trustees of every HOA.
[1:28:31] HOA in this town, but you can't find one from
[1:28:33] biblical ponds estate.
[1:28:36] You can't, you know,
[1:28:38] so we don't, again, I'm not sure what you expect
[1:28:41] us to do about this. Oh, I just, I just
[1:28:43] expect you to call up these trustees and say, Hey.
[1:28:46] Knock it off. It's illegal.
[1:28:49] Why are you doing this? What authority do we have
[1:28:50] to do that you you're the select none of the
[1:28:52] town you have authority.
[1:28:54] Diary, you definitely give her private people to tell them
[1:28:56] what to do.
[1:28:58] No illegal crime. If someone took a stop sign off,
[1:29:01] out, off a street.
[1:29:04] And took the stop sign out and said, we don't
[1:29:05] need that anymore. They would've damaged town property, different issue,
[1:29:09] right? No, they wouldn't. That is a crime. The police
[1:29:10] deal with that. No.
[1:29:12] They do. So should I call the police department? You
[1:29:15] said there's a crime. That's what I would do.
[1:29:17] And you, and could I, could I say that you
[1:29:19] guys recommended that I, I would do that. I'm not
[1:29:23] recommending it, but you said there's a crime, so.
[1:29:26] I don't know if there's a crime, huh? Well, I
[1:29:27] don't know of a crime. You could find out. You
[1:29:30] could find out if you wanted. I I'll see you
[1:29:32] on the 10th.
[1:29:34] But maybe I look forward to it. Yeah. Thank, thank
[1:29:35] you for the discussion. Have a good night. Welcome. Who
[1:29:37] else would like to speak a public comment this evening?
[1:29:41] Did you wanna speak again, sir? No. Three minutes was
[1:29:45] over.
[1:29:46] well, I, I took up a few of the
[1:29:47] minutes, so we're gonna let it slide.
[1:29:50] Anybody else?
[1:29:52] Okay. I apologize. You're fine. No worries at all.
[1:29:57] Closing remarks. I'm good.
[1:30:01] Closing remarks.
[1:30:04] Please continue to pray for peace.
[1:30:08] For restraint among leaders for protection of innocent life.
[1:30:12] And for justice guided by wisdom.
[1:30:15] Thank you, Mr. Holden, one thing I do want to
[1:30:18] mention, and, and I intended to bring it up before
[1:30:20] is I think that during the off season,
[1:30:23] we should talk about
[1:30:25] staffing of parking lots and the restrooms for the beaches.
[1:30:30] And what our opportunities are to.
[1:30:32] Extend those services.
[1:30:35] Through both sides of the peak season. I think that
[1:30:38] there's a revenue opportunity there.
[1:30:41] But there's also just a piece there about.
[1:30:44] What services we're providing to residents and visitors. And I
[1:30:48] know we can't solve it this year. I know that
[1:30:51] a lot of our summer.
[1:30:52] Staff our college students that need to go back to
[1:30:55] where they're supposed to be.
[1:30:57] But, you know, perhaps we can look at a, you
[1:31:00] know, lighter staffing model.
[1:31:02] On the shoulder season for, for next year.
[1:31:05] So that we can improve the level of service there.
[1:31:07] Cause I, I think it's a real concern.
[1:31:10] Thank you. That's a good idea.
[1:31:13] Okay. Anybody else? Good. All right. So our next meeting
[1:31:17] will be September 10th, 6:00 PM. Here at the Sandhill community.
[1:31:21] Center. Thank you so much. Have a good night.