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» Tim, can you can you let us know if you
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» It's here.
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» I can hear you, sir.
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» Mayor, can you hear me?
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» Thank you. Time is now 6:31. We are in
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recording.
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» Uh let's see.
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council of the city of San Die will hold
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27th at 6:30 p.m. at city hall. P2870
CRO San Texas. Form of the city council

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Information Act upon written request.
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call, please?
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» and city secretary. We're all here. Got
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city secretary in the time and manner as
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citizens to address the city council on
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of San Die. Please note that the Texas
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valued. However, civility in a sense of
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speakers may address their comments to
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by law. And this item will be up to 30
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speaker. One person may speak on behalf
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Okay. So at this time I do have uh Mr.
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» That'll be brief. I just like to bring
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discussed
jump in properties before

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and I might have an issue with maybe
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two truckloads of shields in the back of
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like
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on something and make some kind of
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fitting this kind of stuff.
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sudden it was there.
Trust me if I have seen someone dump it

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out lit up like a Christmas tree. But
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» All right. Uh we're going to move on to
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» Liza, sorry. Liza Clark Lori
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» Oh, sorry. Lovely.
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» It's going to be brief. No, I was
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were indicating that uh Savios was going
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department. My concern is I don't mind,
but the only problem is do they have any

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training as police? Because if the 911
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going to do? No, we don't want anybody
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amazing. I love San Diego. I've lived
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for them for anything even to stop just
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what if you get a 10 in your brain and
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That's not a that's not a uh that's not
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to obey the law, but the thing is we
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here is way low because our neighbors,
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anything illegal, we're the first ones
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because we don't want that. We moved
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peaceful. It's wonderful. Our neighbors
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one thing that we need to before any
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need to actually discuss a lot because
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to be responsible for ICE? Are are
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the law and our chief of police if
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attorney. I did ask them. Okay. And I
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we go, "You you live in this great
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out. It's in the country. It's away from
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explain to Miss Emily. And I said, and
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under the chief of police, do you know
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Do we have the money to pay out if they
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I mean, I'm just asking,
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know, we don't want problems. We want to
be peaceful here. We love our people

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here. We're together, you know, and I
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know when something like that happens
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of people are going to leave. Who pays
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here? Are paying taxes? Are they paying
the land? That's what we need. It's

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going to be the graveyard mostly to be
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support? Are we are you going to pay
more taxes? Are they going to cancel the

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65 and over? Sorry, you're going to have
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you're retired. Where are they going to
get it with the social security they're

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going to be getting? There's no way
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they're pay and there's no problems. We
don't have now criminals. Yes. Take

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them. Uh breaking the law. Of course, I
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sheriff of start of of a county cousin
chief of police. I have another one

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that's was a sheriff of another county
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Okay, he's like already close to 70. But
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come from law and we follow the law,
okay? And we all need to be united here.

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all of us.
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care who's white, who's Mexican, who's
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their background is. We're all the same.
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all I can say. So, I just need to
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to be consequences and we don't want
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So, um, just
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I was going to talk about taxes.
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they can pay taxes, so they can build
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going to have anything. See all those
goats down? People leave. That's what's

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going to happen. Y'all and I are going
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Who's going to take over?
That's the sad part. Okay. Thank you.

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» Okay. And then it is 6:40. We have M
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» Um I kind of the agenda stuff.
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» Wait because I wanted to hear a couple
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speak to? Well, I had um they may not
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and um and then the taxes on the city at
the attorney that spoke here last time.

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I had a question about him and his um
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question about that and then these
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» Okay. Um, so I have what can I do? So I
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» right? And that's fine. I'm just trying
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items that you want. So they have two
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I could give for this one for the uh the
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This what we could do for the for the
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totally push you all

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» as they come up.
Okay. So, if we get to an item and you

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want to talk to it, just let me know.
Kind of raise your hand so we can say,

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"Okay, got, you know, if you want to
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minutes for each because you get to
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We'll do that first. Okay. So, that does
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» All right. Then let's move on to agenda
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announcements. Dr. Johnson, do you want
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» Yes, sir. So, the presentation, we will
move to the next council meeting. Due to

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the fact the volunteers, they out of
town this time. Um, as it relates to the

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November 3rd election, we have a total
of six personnel to include yourself.

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Place two, Douglas Thomasini, um
Priscilla Smith, both going for place

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two, Mr. Mc Ottoman McNeil. Place three,
and we have place four, CJ Walker. And

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we had a write in that submitted her
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» For mayor.
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» Yes. As it relates to the property at um
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together a public hearing in order for
those personnel to be able to submit

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from C1 to C2s. Right now C1, most of us
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commercial. These owners are requesting
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restaurant on Priest Road.

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Mayor, if I could interrupt with a
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» sir, I noticed that the document that
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review was for the public hearing for
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about the notice for the public hearing
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Both of those must be held. Both of
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ensure they're properly u publicized.
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however, we don't have a public I mean a
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we're running into.
>> Sir, we can we can discuss it offline.

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I'm just asking if you thought about
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Your answer is no. Um we we need to
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» Yes, ma'am.
Thank you.

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Okay, then let's uh move along to agenda
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5B is not ready for discussions.
If there are no pushy, we can postpone

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» I didn't see agenda item 5A out there.
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You're right. 5A is lab labeled
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» Correct. The items in the folder are
labeled incorrectly, but according to

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the agenda, 5A is July 28th meeting
minutes. 5B is the August 13th meeting

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minutes. I'd like to pull both of those,
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like to make it a motion for the
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Well, if you'd like to pull those for
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» Then we we approve
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I got a motion from Alderman McNeel and
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approve the consent agenda items 5C and
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All those in favor say I. I
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» All those opposed? She carries.

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» All right. Moving on to agenda item 6A.
Uh staff and committee reports. Uh

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financial report report on income and
expenses for July 2026 with resp.

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» All righty. So, um the statement
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All right. Apparently, the financial
report that's in the in the uh file is

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not the frost statement.
It's the consent. It's the commercial.

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It's the uh credit card.
Can we postpone it for later down the on

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the on the uh
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» They're both out there.
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» That's it. That's
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» at least the rec the reconciliation of
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» There's a few minutes it

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» I mean but they haven't had a chance to
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» the wrong one
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» cuz I found the credit card statement
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» Do we need to postpone this?
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» Okay.
All right. Moving along to then agenda

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item 7A, financial report, unfinished
report on income and expenses for June

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2026 with possible discussion as action.
Um, Secretary Bill, see, Secretary

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» on the June one,
>> I didn't pull the Was it

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I didn't make a copy for myself.
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» So So it was out there, Dma. We've had a
couple questions on there and I know you

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sent me an email and have been able to
address the questions, but because they

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were an open forum, I thought it would
be a good idea um to go ahead and ask

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them again so you can provide the answer
for the record so they can hear. One of

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those questions was uh why the payments
to the city attorney and the city

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prosecutor exceeded the amount that we
authorized on the city council.

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Yes, ma'am. And that was because we I
did use the program that the payment

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program that the city attorney provided
and apparently it charges a $25 fee per

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invoice. So it brought up the amounts
$25 more per each one. So that one that

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was $645,
it came up to be $670.

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Um, the other one had, what did I do
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was 6,000. The five was it 6,000? I mean
5,625.

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» There was 5,640,
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because that one also had a $25 fee.
>> Exactly.

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So, and then the other question that I
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credit that says returned item on June
24th for the amount of $9,592.52.

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So, what item was it that was returned?
What What is this credit?

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» Um that one I think it was actual credit
for city public service. I did not get a

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chance to research that, but um I'm
still researching, but I think that was

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a a payment to city public service that
was returned because sometimes the cross

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checking
>> and that's fine, DMA. I'd rather wait

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until you finished your investigation to
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one.
>> And then I did see something else on

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here I wanted to ask and while you're
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ready to approve it. Um, and you may
know this off hand. There's a charge out

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here, an expense to TML,
intergovernmental risk P. I think it's

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risk pool. Is there some sort of fee
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» Yes, there actually there's uh the risk
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and then we and we do the the
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» The insurance Yeah. the the insurance on
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» on the vehicles and stuff.
>> Okay. So, they cover all that insurance.

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That makes sense. I just wanted to
verify that. So, then mayor, I would ask

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that we bring this back or city
administrator bring this back um at the

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next meeting and give Delma some more
time to continue to research that

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deposit that shows up of $9,592
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» All right. No discussion, then we'll
postpone that. Um, in an interest of

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time,
do you know if MUN rag is online, Dr.

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Johnson?
>> Yes, there they are. Um, Michael.

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» All right. Now, they're going to need to
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find the item here.

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Okay. So then we're going to it's now
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We're going to jump to item
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» Can you hear us?
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you uh for having me tonight and
hopefully I can answer all your

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questions.
>> Well, do you want to give us a a a quick

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spiel over your program and how it can
help us and

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» Sure. Absolutely. So, uh, my name is
Michael Halpern. I'm the founder and

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president of a company called Money. We
are based out of Cleveland, Ohio. Uh,

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Cleveland, Ohio area. Um, been involved
in vacant and abandoned properties for

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well over 20 years. Um, started my
career in this area. It's at Safeguard

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Properties, which is the largest company
that maintains what's what was called

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during the foreclosure crisis zombie
foreclosures. And my role at the end of

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my tenure there was really to be um the
intermediary, the conduit between the

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banking and mortgage banking and
servicing industry and municipal

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governments and specifically code
enforcement. Um a lot of

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misunderstanding on both sides, a lot of
frustration from code enforcement

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officers specifically um in regards to
how to identify and communicate with

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banks and mortgage companies and by
extension um other um absentee owners.

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And it was my job specifically at that
time for in dealing with the banks and

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mortgage companies to make that
connection. Um help them identify who

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the individuals in these large
multi-million dollar corporation uh that

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care about the debris and the front and
maybe the kicked in front door or

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whatever the case may be. That was a
natural progression into Mun. Um at the

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height of the foreclosure crisis, there
was a tool that municipal governments

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utilized um infrequently. Um but during
the foreclosure crisis became

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significantly more popular and it's
called a vacant property registration

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ordinance. Um it really took off
throughout um across the country. Um

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right now we we stopped counting.
Several thousand communities across the

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country have it. The idea behind it. A
lot of misunderstandings and um so I'm

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going to try to be as brief as I can. Um
it's not a magic bullet to you know

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silver bullet magic potion to eliminate
blight. Um, a lot of times communities

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will look at this type of program when
they're looking at severely dilapidated

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properties. Um, it's not to address
those properties, those properties that

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these um, absentee owners and ne
negligent owners um, have ignored your

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citations and your violations for for 5
years. That's not going to address this.

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This is a preventative tool um, that
goes into the toolbox of the code

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officer. the code, generally speaking, a
code officer has a difficult time

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identifying um the owners, the
responsible parties for vacant abandoned

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properties, whether it's a bank, whether
it's an LLC, um whether it's the

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homeowner passed away with heirs, uh
could be out out of state, um and code

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officers spend a significant amount of
time, um and have a lot of frustration

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um in dealing with that task. And the
idea behind a vacant property

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registration ordinance is the
municipality would require um the

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registration of these properties as
defined. Um we recommend to make it as

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broad as possible to capture properties
going through the foreclosure process,

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properties that are vacant and
abandoned. Um the requirement would be

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to register with the municipality. Um,
typically these um these programs have

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an associated fee that goes along with
it that will be paid by the registering

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party, the owner of the responsible uh
or the responsible party that registers

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with the municipality. Um,
we like I started by saying I mentioned

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that it's we try to keep it as broad as
possible. We also want to balance that

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out and be fair uh with strong
exemptions. Right? So, the idea is we're

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trying to capture for the code officer
um the contact information um to have it

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at his or her fingertips when an issue
arises at the property. Um if let's just

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use the term bad apple, they register.
If it's a good apple, and when I say

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good apple, it's people that are
actively maintaining the um you know,

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rehabbing the property and pulling
permits, service members that are

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overseas um
actively listing for sale. So those

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would be strong exemptions. Um they
still have to fill out the the um the

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forms, send in the contact information,
but they wouldn't have to pay the fees.

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So we try to make it as broad, but also
as as fair as possible um when we

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communicate with communities um and help
them draft an ordinance um that best

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suits them. Um what we do is we
administer administer these programs on

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behalf of the municipality. Um so uh and
our business model um is we um we retain

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a portion of the fee. Um so council
would would establish the fee. Um we

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obviously can help and and guide based
off national best practices. We do not

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advocate for high fees. This um the idea
behind this um I've been involved with

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you know the experts um the community
development experts across the country.

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They will all tell you it was not
designed to be a revenue generator. Um,

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so it's really just to cover the
overhead. Um, so the fees are typically

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not high. Um, there are communities
across the country that have really

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excessive fees and unfortunately some of
my clients as well, they they don't take

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my advice. Um, but um, we try to keep it
within the the on the low end and uh, we

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process the the um the the registry for
on behalf of the municipality. So just

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to wrap it up, um what that would
involve was we would um work to identify

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the properties and I can go into as much
detail as you would like. We would work

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to identify the properties in in the
community that would be required to be

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registered um work with the owners and
the responsible parties to educate them

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on the municipal requirement, help them
facilitate the registration um and and

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facilitate the registration information
being available to the code enforcement

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um or any municipal staff that wants
that information.

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So that was uh that was the spiel in
brief and obviously uh here for any

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questions.
>> I think I read it in your in your

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brochure your pamphlet here. Uh what
what is the cost to the city?

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» So there's no out-of- pocket cost to the
city. Um our our typical um retention

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fee is $125
um per registration. Um so whatever um

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if you choose to do $125
then that's fine. Um if you choose

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typically um the clients will um make
the fee slightly higher 150 175. Uh as I

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said some clients go significantly
higher but I think there's a lot of risk

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for that and and unnecessary risk. So I
don't advocate for it but um we would

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retain 125 or whatever um fee you
establish. um let's just say it's 175,

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you would retain $50 that would go
towards the overhead of overseeing and

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um you know auditing and making sure
that we're doing what what we say we're

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doing.
>> How do you contact I mean do you have

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boots on the ground in Texas considering
you're in Cleveland?

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» No, we don't have boots on the ground.
Um it's a combination of multiple

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factors. Um first and foremost um we uh
you we work closely with the code

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enforcement department. any new
community that we we u we bring on

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board. Um our our and we're ready to
roll, our first conversation is with a

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code enforcement officer or anybody in
mun civil government that is that has

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that list of vacant properties that
they're working. Um that's our first

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stop. We work with um again the
community community dependent. Um but

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each community will have and we try to
spread the net as wide as possible um

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with community groups, block clubs,
faith-based organizations, anybody that

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cares about the vacant properties in the
community. Even the folks, the

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individuals that come into council
monthly and and and and and you know and

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talk about the the the light in the
community, we want to speak to them,

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their eyes and ears. We work with them.
Um and obviously we use um other um you

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know items as well. uh utility shut
offs, uh USPS postal data, that's a

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little bit um um outdated, so we don't
we don't really rely on that. Um so

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it's, you know, we the idea being um as
I said, want to spread the net as wide

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as possible um to capture as much as we
can. And just to kind of one thing I

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neglected to mention earlier, I you
know, I like to be very transparent. Um

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this program, I'm an advocate for this
program. Um, you know, I spent many

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years, you know, seeing unnecessary
frustration from code enforcement

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officers that they were just wasting
time, taxpayer money, sending certified

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letters to absentee owners, sometimes to
the vacant property itself. Um, just it

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just didn't make sense. So, I'm an
advocate for this program. This program,

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it could be implemented and administered
internally in your um without me, right?

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That's just the reality. um data shows
and I think I included in the brochure

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um that um that when it's administered
internally you will get some level of

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compliance you you do not maximize it
for various reasons it could be staff

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turnover it could be priorities change
um and also um you know the the the

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business model that we that we have um
it financially incents us to maximize

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compliance right we only get paid if
there is a registration so um you know

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um That puts us a step ahead of if
whoever would be doing it internally.

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internally you would get some compliance
if you could do if you would if you

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implement the ordinance do a uh even a
you know decent job of of publicizing it

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um you'll get some level of compliance
but uh obviously uh we feel that our

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business model maximizes that and then
along with that um you know I I I have

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especially when it comes to the uh to
banks and mortgage companies um but we

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you know I'm I'm I I feel like I'm a
good sounding board for communities that

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struggle some of these properties um
with banks and mortgage companies.

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Absolutely. I feel comfortable. Um but I
can always help a code officer navigate

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through that process when the bank is um
being non-compliant, non-ooperative,

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that's what I did for many many years.
Um and then for these other properties,

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whether it's an LLC or an heir, um I do
have a national focus. I look nationally

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and I see what works in other
communities. And um you know I think I a

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lot of times if if you you know to uh if
you take a look at our social media

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profile, if you take a look at our
website um we um really try to monitor

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what's working and what's not working
across the country in this very very

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niche field and um you know I think we
can bring we bring uh that as an added

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resource an added um you know value to
any relationship that we have with any

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municipality.

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I'd like to get our code enforcement
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take on this. I'd like for him to to
look at it, see what his his feel is.

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Also, Dr. Johnson, you put this on the
agenda. Have you looked at the the uh

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municipalities who are currently using
this? And have you talked to anybody and

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there's very few around San Antonio, one
big city, Balcony's Heights? Other other

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than those two, I really don't see any
any other small cities that are

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utilizing this service. And and I hate
to get another program that we have to

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manage
without without getting some information

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from cities that are utilizing it.
Although they're listed on here, how how

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involved are they at utilizing the
service? And again, I'd like our code

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enforcement officer. I'd like his his
take on this and is it worth the effort

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of us to get involved in this?
>> Okay. Before we make a decision and Mr.

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Cio does want to take two minutes of her
time to

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» just new to me, but um are they would
you use someone in Ohio? Number one.

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Number two, you manage San Antonio. Is
that what she said?

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» No, San Antonio utilizes this service.
>> Okay. Well, San Antonio, if I if I may

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just clarify, I do not I do not work for
San Antonio. I we currently just for

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clarification we do not have any current
clients in Texas. Um those communities

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that listed have the implemented the
program they they all administer

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internally. So that's just a
clarification.

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» I think I'll need to do some research
like he said because it sounds like

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another cost and so far he's already
said that he only gets his money on

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registration. Number one, um I had a
property in downtown Mon San Antonio

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that they put that house for five years
empty with animals in and out. I mean,

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all all house cities have this problem.
I'm not saying it's blow it off, but if

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if you're getting paid just to register,
how do you register? How do you get

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00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:26,560
someone that's not paying anything, not
showing up, not taking care of their

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house to register or even care if you're
going to get people to actually care

419
00:35:28,079 --> 00:35:37,119
enough to register? I I mean and then
and then later on are you going to be

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00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:40,240
there later? Yeah. When they need I
don't know that sounds like a waste of

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money. Um
>> so if if I may just um if I may just

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respond to that. Is that okay?
>> Yeah.

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00:35:45,839 --> 00:35:55,520
» Okay. Thank you. Um so in the brochure
um you'll see that um I think I have one

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slide of all the various organizations
that recommend this program. Right. I I

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00:35:58,240 --> 00:36:03,920
started by saying it's not a silver
bullet to to address blight. Um and I

426
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:09,280
try to be, you know, I'll definitely
clarify any questions that you may have.

427
00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:12,640
Um if you if you administer it, if you
implement it and administer it

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internally, you're absolutely correct.
It will be another program. It will be

429
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:21,920
another process that code officers have
to do. Um that's why I'm in business to

430
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:26,880
do to to remove that burden. I my goal
is never to replace a code enforcement

431
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:31,440
officer. Um, I have personal friends
built over the years in in this field.

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00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:35,520
My goal is to support them. Generally
speaking, without knowing the specifics

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00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:40,000
of Sandy Oaks, generally speaking, code
enforcement departments are underst

434
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:45,200
staffed, underresourced, and they're
spread very thin. And so, you're correct

435
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:49,119
that property that um they've ignored
the the property condition is hor is

436
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:53,440
horrendous. That's what the municipal
that's what the maintenance code is for,

437
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:58,720
right? This is a tool in the toolbox
that relieves one burden from a

438
00:36:56,240 --> 00:37:04,880
generally overstaffed um you know
overstretched um code enforcement

439
00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:13,560
department um you know so
>> you do it internally sorry go ahead

440
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:13,560
that's I would move that we bring back

441
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:21,839
» okay so at this time I do have a motion
to postpone until we discuss with our

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00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:26,880
code enforcement officer
by having a tremble and a second by

443
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:32,400
Alderman McNeel.
Uh there need discussion.

444
00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:35,839
» Yeah, I had a couple questions.
>> Sure.

445
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:39,599
» So, one, I think he did an excellent job
of explaining that there's no extra work

446
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:45,200
for the city by what the citizens pay to
register the property. That's paying him

447
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:49,520
to do that work for us. No extra work,
just a resource for the code enforcement

448
00:37:47,359 --> 00:37:53,200
officer to use. But I understand that
there's some questions on that. But I

449
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:57,440
had some questions specifically for him.
You're talking about vacant properties.

450
00:37:55,280 --> 00:38:01,119
Does that include vacant lots? Things
that don't have a building on them and

451
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:05,839
it's just an empty lot. We have a lot of
those in the city as well.

452
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:09,359
» So, um the the the final wording of the
ordinance is obviously crafted by the

453
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municipality. We provide a model
ordinance and as I said, I would I

454
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:18,079
absolutely advocate to include vacant
lots as well. Um the dumping ground. Um,

455
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:22,240
» just wanted to make sure that was an
option, sir. And then also the document

456
00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:26,480
that the city administrator provided to
us also talked about registration of

457
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:30,560
rental properties, but I did not hear
you mention that at all.

458
00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:36,720
» So, it it is a another service that we
provide similar um it is more I'm going

459
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:41,599
to say more involved conversation um
because um typically with a rental

460
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:46,079
registry um there are communities that
have just a registry component. Some

461
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:51,040
have an inspection component as well. Um
it's a different conversation. The

462
00:38:48,079 --> 00:38:53,680
reason why I include it um and and any I
can definitely address any questions

463
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:58,720
that you have. The reasons why I include
it because the underlying um burden is

464
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:02,000
still the same, right? If the if a
community has a rental registry, the

465
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:08,480
value is the same. You're getting that
contact information proactively. Um but

466
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:13,200
the um the underlying challenge still
exists, right, of of of if it's

467
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:18,240
administered internally to try to go
actively and locate and and track down

468
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:20,640
these owners. So this
>> we actually have we actually have an

469
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:23,040
ordinance out there. I was just
wondering whether that was something

470
00:39:21,599 --> 00:39:26,079
that you do provide. You just didn't
bring it up. I don't want to drag this

471
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:29,119
out because they want to still propose
postpone it. I just want to make it sure

472
00:39:27,839 --> 00:39:31,839
that that's something that we can
consider in our future discussions

473
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:35,359
rather than have to bring this back
multiple times. I would, if this is

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00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:39,359
something the city administrator brings
back for you to talk about rental

475
00:39:37,119 --> 00:39:42,079
properties, I would request that before
you come back to talk about that, you

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00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:45,359
look at our city ordinance. We actually
already have an ordinance related to

477
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:48,800
required for registration and
inspections of rental properties that

478
00:39:47,359 --> 00:39:53,599
might help you shape your conversation
with us when you return.

479
00:39:49,839 --> 00:39:55,280
» Absolutely. Absolutely.
>> That's all I had, sir. Thank you so

480
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,800
much.
>> Thank you.

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00:39:56,720 --> 00:40:02,160
» All right. So, the mo again the motion
just to reiterate the motion to postpone

482
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:06,480
it. So, we've had time to discuss with
our U code enforcement offer officers

483
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:11,200
presented by Alderman Trump and a second
by Alderman Wheel. If there's no further

484
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:13,200
discussion, all those in favor say I.
>> I.

485
00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:17,119
» I.
>> Those opposed, that motion will carry.

486
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:21,040
We'll bring it up at the next well when
after we have a chance to talk to our

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00:40:19,359 --> 00:40:23,680
» Excellent. Thank you so much, everybody.
Have a wonderful evening.

488
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:28,079
» Thank you, Mr. Albert.
>> Absolutely. Bye-bye.

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00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:34,960
» Uh, okay. So, we do have one more
presentation. It's now 7:10.

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00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:38,560
We're going to jump to agenda item 8 L
discussing a possible action on a

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00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:41,920
proposal for governance training and
council development service ethics

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00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:47,280
training workshop for elected officials
and staff at a fee not to exceed 2750

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00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:51,760
inclusive of travel and expenses and to
authorize city administrator to execute

494
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:54,760
the agreement and set the workshop
dates.

495
00:40:55,440 --> 00:41:00,200
» Yes, sir. That would be Mrs. Marissa,

496
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:09,119
» you do on the floor.
>> Hi, good evening, mayor, council, um

497
00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:15,440
city staff. I'm Marisa Himemenz Santi
and with me is um Bennett Sandlin who is

498
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:24,319
um the head of our training component
and we did send a um sort of an outline

499
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:29,760
of training for half day as well as the
cost for it. And we did talk with your

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00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:35,200
administrator about breaking up that
fee. Um, but I want Bennett to kind of

501
00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:41,680
go ahead and talk about how he takes a
full day training and can condense it

502
00:41:37,839 --> 00:41:46,720
for you um to review all of these topics
um that you have concerns about.

503
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:50,720
» Thank you, Marissa. Can everybody hear
me? Okay. I'm I'm Bennett Samlin at the

504
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:56,079
Denton Navaro Law Firm. Uh prior to
joining Dent Navaro, I was the executive

505
00:41:53,119 --> 00:42:00,240
director at TML for uh 15 years and now
I'm engaged in training city councils,

506
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:04,079
helping them to be sort of better
versions of themselves. This is my

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00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:09,760
passion and I'm very excited about
possibly doing ethics training for the

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00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:14,880
city of Sandy Oaks. Uh I think a 4-hour
intensive workshop on ethics is about

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00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:18,480
the perfect length. Uh too much longer
than that, people lose interest and and

510
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:22,000
people start to doze off. But too much
shorter than that, you're not you're

511
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:25,760
going to miss out on some of the key
items. And so I think four hours is a

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00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:31,599
good fit. What we're proposing for the
city with the city administrator's uh

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00:42:28,079 --> 00:42:36,480
request is a deep dive into the all the
state laws that affect uh city ethics.

514
00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:41,280
We're talking conflicts of interest, uh,
including things like, uh, the gift

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00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:47,760
statute, bribery, other other important
state laws, nepotism, dual office

516
00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:51,839
holding, um, uh, city, uh, resigned to
run provisions. Uh, and then we also

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00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:55,680
have a kind of an overview of sort of
how this all fits together for a

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00:42:54,160 --> 00:43:00,160
cohesive and and functional city
council. How do you make it work for you

519
00:42:57,119 --> 00:43:03,839
and and be and be well respected in your
community following these ethics laws?

520
00:43:02,319 --> 00:43:06,319
So, we're excited about the prospect of
coming down to Sandy Oaks and spending

521
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:09,599
half a day with you. We could do
morning, we could do evening, whatever

522
00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:13,520
works best for you, but this is right up
the alley of what Denton Navaro is doing

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00:43:11,119 --> 00:43:20,800
these days. We're expanding our incity
training uh workshops and I think half a

524
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:26,079
day on ethics is is is perfect the
perfect length for uh a modern city

525
00:43:23,359 --> 00:43:30,160
council, a general law city council. Uh
just refresher on all the things that

526
00:43:28,319 --> 00:43:33,760
that you need to know. And of course,
every city council member is an ethical

527
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:37,440
person. The problem with state ethics
laws is they're often counterintuitive.

528
00:43:35,839 --> 00:43:40,319
Uh and they're often stricter for city
officials than they are for state law.

529
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:44,319
So, we're going to go over things that
you probably haven't even thought of uh

530
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:48,960
from an ethical perspective. Things that
just aren't intuitive and so you can be

531
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:53,599
the best council member you can for your
city. And Marissa and I will come do

532
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:58,560
that at your at your leisure whenever is
is convenient for you guys. uh if this

533
00:43:55,680 --> 00:44:01,440
agenda item is approved and uh we're
happy to answer any questions that you

534
00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:08,640
may have.
>> I got a question sir McNe

535
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:14,160
um my question is you mentioned you work
for TML. Um, can you tell me what the

536
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:19,280
difference between your training that
I'm looking at $2,700

537
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:25,680
to do the training and the PML training
where we can do a onetime fee of $25 to

538
00:44:23,119 --> 00:44:29,119
get it online and we can have that
training for 60 days. So if we have

539
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:34,800
stragglers that need to come in and take
that course, is there something specific

540
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:41,040
that that the TML training that we would
take online be that that uh that you

541
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:46,880
offer that is is mandated by Texas that
the TML training is not providing?

542
00:44:45,119 --> 00:44:50,640
» That's a really good question. Actually,
other than the the two open meetings and

543
00:44:49,359 --> 00:44:54,960
open records videos that you've seen,
there are no statemandated ethics law uh

544
00:44:52,880 --> 00:45:00,079
training laws. What's different between
what we do and what TML does is that we

545
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:03,839
come to your city and we customize that
training for your city council. So, you

546
00:45:02,319 --> 00:45:08,079
can certainly go online. I'm a big
proponent of online TML training. We've,

547
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:13,200
in fact, I helped create some of that
while I was at TML. I think it's super.

548
00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:18,880
Uh, but what you get from our firm, if
you're interested, is in-person

549
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:23,920
customized training for your city. Uh
and and also at 4 hours, we're going to

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00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:30,400
cover many many state laws that no other
uh prepackaged training provides. Uh for

551
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:33,599
example, gifting statutes, $50 limits on
gifts and so forth. How do how does that

552
00:45:31,839 --> 00:45:37,599
affect a council? How does that affect
campaigning for office? We'll also talk

553
00:45:35,839 --> 00:45:41,839
about issues about running for higher
office, what what is your role, these v

554
00:45:40,079 --> 00:45:45,680
state legislators? So, it's going to be
a little more in depth. It's going to be

555
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:49,359
in person and we'll be there to answer
questions and and go through scenarios

556
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:56,000
that you may be facing locally. So, it's
just a a more in-depth uh concentrated

557
00:45:52,240 --> 00:46:00,079
training uh in in your town, which some
councils find useful. Uh but I'm

558
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:02,800
certainly a big fan of what TML offers
and and we're not we're not saying

559
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:05,839
anything's wrong with that training, but
we're just a little more in-depth, a

560
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:09,280
little more personal, and a little more
personalized for for Sandy Oaks. Does

561
00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:12,960
that answer your question, Council
Member?

562
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:20,640
» Yes, sir. Can I can I just piggy back on
that councilman? Um I'm I'm the past

563
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:26,160
president of TML as well and so I was a
mayor prom of my city and I served on

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00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:32,000
the EDC prior to that. So Bennett's
going to bring all of the legal

565
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:36,720
training, talk about scenarios. Um but I
also get to tag along and have the

566
00:46:33,839 --> 00:46:40,000
conversation of I sat in your seat and I
know the kinds of things that you're

567
00:46:38,079 --> 00:46:45,040
dealing with. I know what you're dealing
with with um your community. How and we

568
00:46:43,119 --> 00:46:50,319
can talk about how can we gain public
trust, how can we um help plan for the

569
00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:55,599
city. Um I think one of your
constituents was talking about housing

570
00:46:52,560 --> 00:47:00,560
and not wanting the city to kind of just
um get passed by. And so, you know,

571
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:05,760
those are the kinds of things that we
can also loop into all of this training.

572
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:10,880
And since Bennett is um an attorney by
training, he can answer legal questions

573
00:47:08,079 --> 00:47:15,200
along the way as well.
just kind of think when we on our side

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00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:19,040
of it is that
we should give the female training a

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00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:25,119
shot first. We think we need additional
training cuz I haven't seen an ethics

576
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:31,839
issue in the city yet as far as I know
of or there's an ethics problem where

577
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:36,599
do the hands off but
anybody else

578
00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:36,599
» we do have an ethics ordinance

579
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,200
table

580
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:49,040
I said
you got anything?

581
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:54,240
Yeah, I I had a question on this. How
does this all fit in to the mandatory

582
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:58,640
ethics training that was dictated for
all council elected and appointed

583
00:47:56,319 --> 00:48:02,400
officials before I was on the council? I
haven't seen it yet. So, I I don't

584
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:06,079
understand how this all fits into there.
And I think if we're going to talk about

585
00:48:03,839 --> 00:48:11,520
this, we need to figure out how it fits
into whatever document the previous

586
00:48:08,079 --> 00:48:15,520
council posted or passed to mandate this
training because that may need to be

587
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:19,240
changed. I have no idea what it is. It
was never given to me.

588
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:28,000
» All right.
>> Council, I can you address that. I

589
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:30,559
There's no state law ethics training
other than the two.

590
00:48:29,119 --> 00:48:34,960
» Sir, sir, sir, that's not what I'm
talking about. I'm talking about our

591
00:48:32,079 --> 00:48:39,599
city council prior to me coming on it
made a decision that all appointed and

592
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:42,880
elected officials needed to do some sort
of ethical training. So, it's got

593
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:46,720
nothing to do with statemandated, sir.
This is what the city council prior to

594
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:50,160
me being on it. So, I'm not talking
about a state mandate, sir. I'm talking

595
00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:53,119
about the city of Sandy Oaks mandated
something.

596
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:58,720
» I'm sorry. Understood.
>> Yeah. And and Mayor Prom, I've seen that

597
00:48:56,000 --> 00:49:03,680
in other cities as well. Um they put a
policy in place. Um they give a deadline

598
00:49:01,359 --> 00:49:09,680
for their elected officials after
they're they they're sworn into office

599
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:13,839
to take a training. Um, I don't know
what yours says specifically as far as

600
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:16,559
whether it is one particular one or not
or if it's just ethics training in

601
00:49:15,839 --> 00:49:19,839
general.
>> Yes, ma'am. That's why my question was

602
00:49:18,669 --> 00:49:22,640
[clears throat] towards the city
administrator and the mayor. If this is

603
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:26,520
come back later, that needs to be
addressed as part of the conversation.

604
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:36,559
» So, I'm looking at the policy that we
drafted up. Again, I don't know if this

605
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:40,400
is the final one. is just the one I
could find in my email, Mayor Pim. And

606
00:49:39,119 --> 00:49:44,880
and it looks like it's just an
acknowledgement um of, you know,

607
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:51,200
reporting gifts like she was talk like
they were talking about earlier. Um

608
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:56,240
confidential information,
things like that, who it applies to,

609
00:49:53,119 --> 00:49:59,359
recusal, recusal and disclosure. Um, so
it looks like it was just an

610
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:03,680
acknowledgement form, not so much of
actual training, but it's a pretty

611
00:50:01,599 --> 00:50:09,119
in-depth document that I think
>> was there some sort of policy

612
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:14,079
implemented that indicated or required
all elected or appointed officials to

613
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:17,760
review and sign that because again, I've
been on council for almost two years now

614
00:50:15,599 --> 00:50:24,240
and no one has given that to me. I do
recall that

615
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:29,440
too like it was. Yes.
>> Okay. I don't remember that possibly.

616
00:50:26,559 --> 00:50:33,440
» So then let us let us take it back um
and then we'll have to circle back to

617
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:38,800
after we figure out what's required for
the ordinance and then we can make the

618
00:50:36,559 --> 00:50:43,280
right decision.
>> The motion still stand.

619
00:50:40,319 --> 00:50:46,559
» Was it postpone?
>> Well, we don't need a motion to table

620
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:49,680
it. Right. So
>> table it means you're bringing it back

621
00:50:47,839 --> 00:50:53,440
later this meeting. If you want to bring
it back at a different meeting, you need

622
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:57,119
to postpone it. Sir,
>> I want to table this all together. I

623
00:50:54,720 --> 00:51:00,079
don't see us paying $2,700 training we
can get online.

624
00:50:58,559 --> 00:51:02,480
» Again, if you say table, it means you
want to talk about it later this

625
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:05,040
meeting. So you don't want to
>> postpone it. We're going to postpone it

626
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:08,440
in depth.
>> There you go.

627
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:14,440
» Thank you all for joining our meeting.
>> Thank you.

628
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:18,760
Thank you. Appreciate your time.

629
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:25,000
» No, because he wanted to pay

630
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:29,000
» well.

631
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:39,559
Okay.
Okay. So then uh going backwards

632
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:43,640
7:22

633
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:49,920
discussion of possible action on
authorizing the interim city

634
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:54,400
administrator to advertise for municipal
court judge qualifications through

635
00:51:51,359 --> 00:51:58,960
October 2026.
Do you have any?

636
00:51:55,440 --> 00:52:01,599
» Yes sir. The RFP's already been um
approved. Just want to know if we can

637
00:52:00,319 --> 00:52:05,440
get your permission the council
permission to advertise it.

638
00:52:06,079 --> 00:52:14,200
Which agenda item did we go back to?
>> Yeah. Where we at? Uh 8D.

639
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,200
» Yep.

640
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:20,720
» Okay. I don't know why this is under new
business because this was on the last

641
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:25,920
agenda. It should have been under old
business. And then I had um a few

642
00:52:24,319 --> 00:52:31,119
questions about the timeline that the
city administrator proposed. Um, the

643
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:34,319
judge should not be sworn in until after
the elections because the mayor is

644
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:39,119
supposed to be the one that's it's
supposed to be done after the mayoral

645
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:44,160
elections. And so the new council should
be the one that's approving that. And

646
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:48,480
doesn't our current judge already serve
until December? So, shouldn't the new

647
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:56,079
judge just start at the end of the
current judge's term? And um

648
00:52:54,000 --> 00:53:03,240
and just a typo on the thing, you need a
space before the awards and negotiation

649
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:03,240
statement in section six.

650
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:11,520
» Yes. No, I can get those date changed if
you like.

651
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:14,640
» I think we need to have a discussion
here to make sure we're going to get it

652
00:53:12,720 --> 00:53:20,319
all in to make sure the judge gets in in
time. I think our city attorney uh can

653
00:53:17,599 --> 00:53:23,680
speak to how long the judge serves and
what legally we're supposed to be doing

654
00:53:22,319 --> 00:53:28,800
based on our ordinance. I think it's
appointed after each mayor election, but

655
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:33,119
I would turn to the city attorney or the
mayor to clarify this information before

656
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:36,720
we like make that happen. Just throwing
it out there as questions.

657
00:53:34,559 --> 00:53:41,839
» The current judge's term expires I think
December 12th. Um

658
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:46,400
the judge is appointed by the mayor,
confirmed by council. So it would not be

659
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:51,440
until after the mayor takes office,
which is 6 days after the election or

660
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:56,480
after canvasing, whatever comes later.
Um so they probably timing wise it'd be

661
00:53:54,640 --> 00:54:01,280
the meeting in December where the mayor
could appoint the the judge and then

662
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:05,920
council confirm it for a term to start
after the current judge's term. Um just

663
00:54:04,319 --> 00:54:11,440
for logistics, we do have court for
December 14th and that would be the next

664
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:15,280
the time that that judge
uh

665
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:18,559
I guess preides over.
>> So you said six

666
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:22,800
» December meeting would be the 10th.
Would that work for this timeline?

667
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:27,200
» Yeah, you could appoint the 10th, but
his term would not um his or her term

668
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:30,800
would not start until after the
expiration of the current judge judge's

669
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:34,480
term. But by statute, he serves two
years.

670
00:54:32,417 --> 00:54:36,480
[clears throat] Couldn't we do it all on
November 12th?

671
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,640
» Um,
>> because that would have been six days

672
00:54:37,839 --> 00:54:41,920
after.
>> You could do that if you have the

673
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:45,280
canvasing, you have the election results
by that time. Sometimes the election

674
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:49,280
department doesn't have.
>> So, there may need to be a special

675
00:54:46,559 --> 00:54:54,400
meeting and to canvas. You only need two
alderman to canvas. So, it may need to

676
00:54:52,240 --> 00:54:58,400
wait until it to answer your question,
it can't

677
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:04,559
» it can't happen December 12th. that can
happen especially on behalf of

678
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:10,240
» does advertisement still need to go out
to the

679
00:55:07,119 --> 00:55:17,760
» um well it's not required that you issue
an RQ for a judge um but that is what so

680
00:55:14,559 --> 00:55:22,640
yes it would need to go out to
I guess to get applications but it's not

681
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:26,720
a requirement
>> I I have no issues with or questions

682
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:31,359
about the dates he wants to advertise it
and also delaying the decision until the

683
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:36,000
December 10th meeting also allows
whoever is on the city council after the

684
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:40,079
election more time to review all of the
responses to the RFQ uh to make an

685
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:45,599
informed decision.
>> Are we required to go to to to

686
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:47,440
put out the qualifications to our new
judge?

687
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:51,359
» No.
>> I mean, I don't I don't see what this

688
00:55:48,799 --> 00:55:53,760
judge had done incorrectly or wrong or
whatever you want to call it to where

689
00:55:52,559 --> 00:55:58,799
we're going to go out and seek
qualifications. He's done his job fine.

690
00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:02,880
he has no complaints, then we just go
back to the board and renegotiate his

691
00:56:00,319 --> 00:56:05,520
contract to reduce his health plan so
we're not paying for health because I

692
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:08,799
think that was one of the issues and
then put some actual limitations on the

693
00:56:07,599 --> 00:56:12,680
contract to say this is what we're going
to pay this is what we're not

694
00:56:12,799 --> 00:56:18,559
this will effectively save us a whole
bunch of time we had discussion with

695
00:56:16,319 --> 00:56:23,119
judge is he stay
>> yeah he is I've talked to him now he did

696
00:56:20,720 --> 00:56:25,040
ask he did ask for help but I mean if
that's not a part of the deal it's not

697
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:28,319
part of the deal
>> but he is

698
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:33,280
will also give us the opportunity to get
more options and we can always just

699
00:56:31,359 --> 00:56:37,280
choose to go with him. But it's whoever
the mayor is after the election is the

700
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:43,599
one that and that city council that's
going to be making that decision and do

701
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:47,280
we not want to give them the option to
pick someone else if they want someone

702
00:56:45,359 --> 00:56:51,440
else because waiting until that election
it's going to be too late to send the

703
00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:56,480
RFQ out.
>> Fair enough. current current judges it

704
00:56:54,160 --> 00:57:01,200
can definitely submit something but we
haven't had a contract or anything. So

705
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:07,440
so this would be an opportunity for him
to tell us what he wants

706
00:57:04,079 --> 00:57:11,040
and for other judges and we can see if
there's even any other options. I mean,

707
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:17,359
maybe no one wants to come down to
Little Sandy, but we we don't want to

708
00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:22,000
get to the new city council and have
members that would like to take a look

709
00:57:20,079 --> 00:57:30,400
at what other options we have in the
city. So, and I have had comments from

710
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:33,920
employees about um cases getting thrown
out or not people not getting fined

711
00:57:32,559 --> 00:57:39,839
after they do the work to do the
paperwork. I haven't heard any

712
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:43,440
complaints from the citizens about the
judge. Um, they're just complaining

713
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:46,400
about having the ticket in in the first
place. I don't know about any other

714
00:57:45,359 --> 00:57:50,000
council members.
>> I think they're going to be arguments

715
00:57:48,559 --> 00:57:54,240
from all employees about that because
they do work hard on their cases, but if

716
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:58,319
the case is not going to then apply.
>> I I'm not saying I'm not saying anything

717
00:57:56,559 --> 00:58:01,359
about whether what they said is right or
wrong. I'm just saying that's all I've

718
00:57:59,599 --> 00:58:04,400
heard because you asked that question.
I'm saying I haven't heard anything from

719
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:09,280
the citizens other than they don't like
the ticket in general and all I've heard

720
00:58:07,119 --> 00:58:13,440
negatively is a couple of citizens
complaining about cases being dismissed

721
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:19,559
and and that's all I haven't heard
anything else. I'm just inquiring if

722
00:58:15,359 --> 00:58:19,559
anyone else has just as you have.

723
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:31,760
If there's no further discussion, then I
move that we uh we authorize the interim

724
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:38,160
city administrator to advertise for
municipal court judge qualifications

725
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:43,079
through October 26 with the uh with the
amendments to the document that mayor

726
00:58:40,079 --> 00:58:43,079
promp

727
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:49,000
talked about.
>> Second.

728
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:56,040
So, I have a motion from

729
00:58:56,160 --> 00:59:05,720
from Alderman McNeel
and a second from Alderman Tremblelet

730
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,720
uh to

731
00:59:05,839 --> 00:59:10,960
authorize the interim city administrator
to advertise for the municipal court

732
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:17,319
judge qualifications through October
2026 with the amend with the amendments

733
00:59:13,599 --> 00:59:17,319
mentioned by the mayor.

734
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:24,240
There any further discussion?
Those in favor say I.

735
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:29,359
» I. I.
>> All right. That motion will carry.

736
00:59:27,599 --> 00:59:32,240
» All right. Moving on to E. Discussing a
possible action on approving a

737
00:59:30,559 --> 00:59:36,640
resolution and information technology
contract with Felipe Hernandez Jr.

738
00:59:35,119 --> 00:59:41,119
» Johnson. You want to talk to this one?
>> Uh, yes sir. So, a contract has been

739
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:44,880
created. However, Mr. Felipe is still
looking over it. Um, hopefully we can

740
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:48,680
get it signed as soon as tomorrow and
him starting on Monday.

741
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:54,720
I am a little concerned that you signed
it before we said it was good to go, but

742
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:58,480
I'm not sure exactly what our motion was
last time for you to go work the

743
00:59:56,079 --> 01:00:01,880
contract. I have no questions about the
contract, though.

744
01:00:07,359 --> 01:00:15,960
» Is there any indication you might not be
happy with it?

745
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:15,960
» Uh, no sir, he's not. No indication.

746
01:00:16,319 --> 01:00:22,000
I'm assuming our city attorney is has
reviewed the document.

747
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:25,319
» Not yet. I would have to first thing
tomorrow morning.

748
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:34,000
» I accept.
>> Yeah, we can't do anything until our

749
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:38,960
city attorney takes
>> Yeah, you need to pull back that signed

750
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:44,640
version that you showed us until our
city attorney approves it because

751
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:49,359
» Yeah. Is this his paper or our paper?
Did we write this or did they write it?

752
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:54,079
» Yeah. So, it was between the two of us.
So, initially he did and I took it

753
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:57,280
pretty much revalved it completely. Um,
>> so it was on his paper. So, it's

754
01:00:55,839 --> 01:01:02,160
» No, no, it was it was on my paper. He
just gave me He just gave me input on

755
01:00:59,119 --> 01:01:06,559
things that he would like to see.
>> Yeah. Let's have our city attorney take

756
01:01:03,599 --> 01:01:09,200
a look at before we before you sign it.
For sure.

757
01:01:07,839 --> 01:01:13,359
» He's already signed it. That's what I'm
saying. He needs to get that signed

758
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:20,400
version back from
uh that IT endpoint right away.

759
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:23,599
» Yeah. Let's go ahead and do that.
>> Okay.

760
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:25,200
» What are we going to do?
>> No action.

761
01:01:24,319 --> 01:01:30,559
» No action.
>> Or do you want to make a motion to

762
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:36,240
withdraw the contract, the signed
contract at this point? I don't know if

763
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:41,599
we need to. I I think to cover our
bases, we should uh Yeah, I would move

764
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:49,119
that we uh withdraw approval of that
signed contract uh that the city

765
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:58,839
administrator drafted and wait until our
city attorney provides input before

766
01:01:53,359 --> 01:01:58,839
he provides a version.

767
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:00,960
I'd

768
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:10,079
like to get a motion by our mayor Potim
and a second by Alderman McNeel uh to

769
01:02:07,119 --> 01:02:17,920
withdraw the signed contract from Felipe
Hernandez at information technology. Uh

770
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:21,839
any other further discussion? Not all
those in favor say I.

771
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:25,920
» But wait but
again it's until the attorney reviews

772
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:31,040
it. So, if the attorney reviews it, then
I want the city administrator to be able

773
01:02:28,319 --> 01:02:34,000
to sign it and send it back cuz I I
don't think there's any issues with the

774
01:02:32,319 --> 01:02:37,920
contract unless somebody else does. I
don't want to make this wait until we

775
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:42,319
come back again. The police department
needs this contract. I just want I'm

776
01:02:40,559 --> 01:02:45,599
concerned our city attorney hasn't
reviewed it.

777
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:49,839
» Okay. And then and you did say that. So,
let me let me restate the motion. So,

778
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:55,280
the motion by the mayor and seconded by
Alderman McNeel is to withdraw the

779
01:02:51,440 --> 01:03:00,400
signed contract until after the uh the
city attorney has had an opportunity to

780
01:02:57,119 --> 01:03:04,720
review and if if and when it's reviewed
and approved by them, then the we

781
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:09,119
authorize the city administrator to
finally execute the contract.

782
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:12,640
» Yes, sir.
>> All those in favor say I.

783
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:19,680
» I.
>> All right. That motion will carry along.

784
01:03:16,079 --> 01:03:23,599
Wait, we I go back to section seven
>> of the contract.

785
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:27,920
» Uh, no. Not finished business.
>> B, C, and D,

786
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:33,559
» B, C, and D.
>> You're already

787
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:33,559
um Well,

788
01:03:34,799 --> 01:03:43,599
» okay. So,
>> all right. So, let's move to agenda item

789
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:49,599
7 A. uh seven agenda items or actually
the seven 7B

790
01:03:46,319 --> 01:03:53,920
will be postponed. 7 C will be
postponed.

791
01:03:51,440 --> 01:04:00,760
Uh and then
then we have 7D.

792
01:03:56,880 --> 01:04:00,760
All right. So

793
01:04:03,039 --> 01:04:11,039
then let's go to
let's continue on. We'll we'll get to

794
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:15,880
agenda item 7D in just a moment.
But let's go ahead and move on to seven.

795
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:25,920
Excuse me. Seven data
eight. Sorry. Discuss and take possible

796
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:30,240
action on the word of the contract for
municipal record services recreate

797
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:35,280
storage services upon the expiration of
the existing contract with Texas towing

798
01:04:32,079 --> 01:04:39,440
on August 31st 2026 and authorize the
city administrator to negotiate and

799
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:43,440
execute such contract on behalf of the
city Dr. Johnson you have the floor.

800
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:47,280
» Yes sir. So we do
>> I have a point of order before we go

801
01:04:45,039 --> 01:04:52,400
forward with anything with Creswell
recorder.

802
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:56,240
So, I don't think the city can le city
council can legally consider this

803
01:04:54,000 --> 01:05:00,000
because Creswell record was not part of
the original proposals that we reviewed

804
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:04,480
when we made our selection. I believe
the city council's options at this point

805
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:09,760
are either to select a backup if K3 can
no longer perform the the contract or

806
01:05:07,839 --> 01:05:14,240
authorize the city administrator to put
out a new RFP. I do not think the

807
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:19,079
council can legally look at this. This
is my concern at this point. Sir, I

808
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:19,079
bring this to you.

809
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:32,079
Attorney, you have anything to
offer?

810
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:37,200
» Feelings was a legit offer at the time
and they're the ones that originally

811
01:05:34,319 --> 01:05:44,599
presented fact that not Kate, the one
before them didn't have that. Sure.

812
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:44,599
They subsider

813
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:48,599
that we want to go

814
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:56,839
do therapy. They were after the fact.

815
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:06,960
» If they were after the fact, I think we
need a new RFP and allow other

816
01:06:05,039 --> 01:06:11,440
organizations an opportunity and then we
can consider them as part of that. We

817
01:06:09,119 --> 01:06:16,480
don't need to do the full uh multiple
weeks as we did in the past, but we

818
01:06:13,119 --> 01:06:21,799
cannot go with an RFP, a a proposal
submitted after our RFP closed, not

819
01:06:18,799 --> 01:06:21,799
legally.

820
01:06:24,559 --> 01:06:30,480
» Well, then let's just go monthtomonth
with Texas towing for now until we can

821
01:06:27,359 --> 01:06:33,520
figure that out. But
>> what do we want to authorize the

822
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:37,119
administrator to do on this? So, I would
move that the city administrator uh

823
01:06:35,359 --> 01:06:40,480
speak with Texas Towing about moving to
a month-to-month contract until such

824
01:06:38,799 --> 01:06:45,960
time as we can figure out the RFP
process.

825
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:45,960
» Second,

826
01:06:46,559 --> 01:06:53,760
I got a motion by the mayor plat and a
second by Alderman Kickmer to authorize

827
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:59,680
the city administrator to discuss with
Texas towing a month-to-month contract

828
01:06:56,160 --> 01:07:07,039
till we're able to figure out our
municipal record and solar services.

829
01:07:03,839 --> 01:07:10,559
Any other discussion on this item?
All those in favor say I.

830
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:14,880
» I.
>> All those opposed.

831
01:07:12,799 --> 01:07:20,640
» Okay.
>> Okay. Uh moving on to G 8G. Discussing

832
01:07:19,119 --> 01:07:24,160
and take possible action on authorizing
the city administrator to advertise a

833
01:07:22,319 --> 01:07:28,160
request for proposal for municipal solid
waste collection and disposal services

834
01:07:26,319 --> 01:07:34,160
upon expiration of the existing contract
with waste connection on the TMLE. TML

835
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:37,640
PML website and the city website through
October 2026.

836
01:07:38,319 --> 01:07:45,799
Is that sufficient? um on the PM
post.

837
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:54,240
Um, you can also email potential
directly,

838
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:58,960
» but that's considered something that's
that's factory.

839
01:07:56,480 --> 01:08:04,480
» My only question on that is is why we're
doing that. Is it like problems with the

840
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:08,599
cash company or trying to get lower
prices or

841
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:16,719
expiration? Um, there has been
>> some I do hear some feedback. me.

842
01:08:15,039 --> 01:08:22,960
Personally, they missed my trash can as
well, but I mean that's going to be it

843
01:08:18,480 --> 01:08:28,000
every um I do know that we want to um
try to negotiate a franchise fee

844
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:32,799
into the contracts with whoever we deal
with for operating on our roads for

845
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:36,480
utilizing them. Um
>> I believe that's part of the RFP that we

846
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:39,920
were looking at for this one. I do know
our citizens are not going to be happy

847
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:47,120
if we just automatically renew with our
current vendor.

848
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:52,440
» Thank you. I would we did contact the
providers directly and ask them if

849
01:08:49,440 --> 01:08:52,440
they're

850
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:59,600
did before
do we want one

851
01:08:57,440 --> 01:09:02,600
list providers that we want to try to
contact

852
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:08,799
connections management
I think

853
01:09:07,759 --> 01:09:12,880
» no
>> one we asked the citizens who they'd

854
01:09:10,480 --> 01:09:19,679
like us to consider just published the
RFP P I mean the citizens as I don't

855
01:09:17,359 --> 01:09:24,480
know if you recall mayor but when waste
connections came and wanted to come to

856
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:30,880
our national night out to talk about
moving all pickups to just Monday uh

857
01:09:27,679 --> 01:09:35,040
there was uh you were querying on social
media what citizens thought about that

858
01:09:32,719 --> 01:09:40,400
and many of them didn't want us to
continue with waste management. So, uh I

859
01:09:38,319 --> 01:09:44,400
think I think we need to listen to them
and find out who they'd like us to

860
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:51,600
consider and look at options from all of
them and also allow time between when

861
01:09:48,799 --> 01:09:55,920
the RFP closes and we actually talk
about it uh to allow the citizens time

862
01:09:53,839 --> 01:10:02,640
to come tell us what they think about
the companies that provided as an RFP or

863
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:07,440
a response to our RFP.
>> Yeah. I mean, I I just don't know if we

864
01:10:04,159 --> 01:10:12,280
have that much time. All right.
I thought this contract's good until the

865
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:12,280
end of December.

866
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:17,920
» But you're talking about pulling people,
having them inviting them to the

867
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:21,440
meeting, which is fine, but at the same
time, we still got to negotiate a

868
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:25,520
contract. We still got to if this if
these guys are going to go, they got to

869
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:29,600
we got to get another company mobilized.
>> Why can't we just put out an RFP?

870
01:10:28,239 --> 01:10:31,120
» Well, just put it out. Let's get it.
Yeah,

871
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:35,920
» sure.
>> And we just put it out there. let the

872
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:41,120
citizens know that it's out there. And
then when we get the list in, we just

873
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:45,280
publish who we have the the responses
from when we're going to talk about it

874
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:50,320
at the city council meeting and allow
the citizens to come. Not necessarily a

875
01:10:48,159 --> 01:10:55,600
public hearing, like a town hall. Come
tell me what you think about these three

876
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:59,520
contractors that provided us a response.
Tell us what you think because they have

877
01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:03,360
strong opinions about who picks up their
trash.

878
01:11:00,719 --> 01:11:06,360
Well, we want to go with the best value
now.

879
01:11:14,239 --> 01:11:20,400
» But most most of the cost of the trash
pickup is going to be borne by the

880
01:11:18,480 --> 01:11:25,120
citizen.
>> So it's not like I mean we have to pay

881
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:30,640
for our trash pickup as a city, but so
do our citizens. So, if they would

882
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:34,159
rather have company A and pay them an
extra five bucks a month versus company

883
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:41,280
B because they think the quality of
service is better, then I I don't think

884
01:11:37,679 --> 01:11:46,400
it would be uh right for us to go
against that if it's worth it to

885
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:50,640
» but we should take that into
consideration uh at least when we're

886
01:11:48,719 --> 01:11:54,080
evaluating it. Yeah, I think we take
into consideration, but I would dis I

887
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:57,679
would respectfully disagree because just
because the three people showed up here

888
01:11:55,920 --> 01:12:02,719
and want Tiger doesn't mean we should go
with Tiger when everybody else is.

889
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:07,520
» I agree, sir. But we need to give them
an opportunity to speak.

890
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:11,760
» Understood. If anything else, I'll go
ahead and move to authorize the inter

891
01:12:09,679 --> 01:12:16,000
city administrator
to advertise the request for proposal

892
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:20,800
for the municipal solid waste collection
disclosure service on expiration of

893
01:12:18,480 --> 01:12:26,159
existing contract waste connections on
the Texas municipal league website and

894
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:33,760
the city website through October
26. Um and upon completion to ensure

895
01:12:30,239 --> 01:12:39,760
that it it goes on the uh agenda and
published so that the citizens can see

896
01:12:36,239 --> 01:12:43,560
what contractors have responded and so
we can take their input.

897
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:51,440
We got a motion by Alderman McNeel and a
second by Alderwoman Walker to authorize

898
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:55,760
the interim city administrator to
advertise for RFP for municipal solid

899
01:12:53,920 --> 01:13:00,560
waste collection and disposal services
upon exploration of the existing

900
01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:05,440
contract of waste connections on the TML
website and the city website through

901
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:11,280
October 2026 and upon completion of the
RFP to post it in a following regularly

902
01:13:08,719 --> 01:13:13,760
scheduled agenda.
There any further discussion on this

903
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:20,600
item?
>> Yes. My concern is My concern is I don't

904
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:20,600
see the RFP in the folder.

905
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:29,719
» We're offering we're authorizing him to
release something we haven't seen. I

906
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:29,719
thought I'd seen it in the past.

907
01:13:32,239 --> 01:13:37,280
» I see I see the memo where he's talking
about the dates and I don't like the

908
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:42,400
date. He scheduled it for the 6th of
October, which I think is not enough

909
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:47,440
time for us to look at the RFPs. Um but
because it's only like four days after

910
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:52,199
it closes out, but um I I don't see what
the RFP where the RFP is.

911
01:13:52,239 --> 01:14:03,040
» So you want me to amend my my motion
that authorize them to draft and provide

912
01:14:00,480 --> 01:14:08,080
the request for proposal?
>> Um I'm just Yeah, I'm just starting

913
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:11,120
conversation. I would like to see an RFP
rather than just allowing the city

914
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:16,080
administrator to write something and
sending it out without any input from

915
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:19,360
anybody. Uh whether that's a select few
or he brings it back to council, I'm

916
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:23,199
just throwing it out there that it
shouldn't go out without someone

917
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:27,679
reviewing it because it's not here for
us to look at right now.

918
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:32,159
» There was a complete RF draft that was
presented to council a few months ago.

919
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:37,520
The motion was to bring it back the
second meeting in August. Um so the need

920
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:45,360
to reddraft I don't think is necessary
but but to at least see what the final

921
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:52,040
version is council wants to be um I
don't I haven't I have not made

922
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:52,040
sure

923
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:58,840
but also not voted on any changes

924
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:06,480
» yeah just supposed to be about
>> so We're going to have to bring this one

925
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:11,040
back because we need to look at the RFP
in depth before we get

926
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:14,440
you want to withdraw.
>> Yeah, I would

927
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:22,600
say
>> Can you agree to

928
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:22,600
Can you agree to withdraw?

929
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:26,679
All right.

930
01:15:28,239 --> 01:15:35,440
So that at this time no action is to be
taken but we will bring it we will

931
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:39,400
actually bring the RFP to the next
regularly scheduled meeting.

932
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:54,239
We're trying to
Okay. Uh let's see here.

933
01:15:52,239 --> 01:15:59,120
All right. Let's move on to agenda item
8. I discuss possible action on the

934
01:15:57,520 --> 01:16:04,159
resolution establishing a spring and
fall citywide yard sale uh Saturday

935
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:08,800
proceeding the respective curbside brush
and bulky item collections waving the

936
01:16:06,239 --> 01:16:15,560
garage sale permit fee under ordinance
2026 278. Alderman Kryner and Dr.

937
01:16:11,679 --> 01:16:15,560
Johnson, you got the floor.

938
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:24,719
» Okay. Yes, sir. So, we're requesting the
uh approval of a resolution to be

939
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:29,679
approved um in order to basically uh
wave the yard sale. So, a spring and

940
01:16:27,440 --> 01:16:35,199
fall yard sale we can do at the park or
either um the residents just in their

941
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:38,400
front yards, but that would be the
weekend that Saturday before bulk

942
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:43,360
pickup. So, whatever not picked up, we
have the bulk pickup to take care of

943
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:48,239
that. Um yeah, so right now we have a $5
fee for the garage sales. We just be

944
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:52,239
winged that fee.
resolution that goes with that or it's

945
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:56,880
just a demo. It will have to be a new
resolution

946
01:16:54,640 --> 01:17:01,840
discussion if we want
even consider.

947
01:16:58,719 --> 01:17:06,719
» So So we used to do yard sales at the
park and there's no resolution for that.

948
01:17:04,239 --> 01:17:13,520
So why can't we just talk to our
community center volunteers

949
01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:18,400
um about doing it twice or
>> I've seen people asking about that too.

950
01:17:16,159 --> 01:17:25,000
I think trying to do is have a
communitywide yard sales where everyone

951
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:25,000
has it in their own yards, not

952
01:17:38,719 --> 01:17:44,880
» everyone tell me you have your hand
raised.

953
01:17:41,679 --> 01:17:50,880
» Yes. Here's here's my concern. The whole
reason why we do this permit and we've

954
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:55,199
limited folks to um the the twice a year
has been a conversation in the past was

955
01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:59,840
because if they do more than two yard
sales at their residence during a

956
01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:03,920
12-month period, there's a requirement
for them to get some sort of sales tax

957
01:18:02,239 --> 01:18:09,840
ID or something the city attorney would
know specifically. So, I do not think

958
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:14,960
waving them from having the permit and
the permit fee if they choose to do it

959
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:19,120
at their property would be appropriate.
At least if we did it as a community

960
01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:22,800
one, they wouldn't have to advertise,
but they would still need to do the

961
01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:26,960
permit, the $5 fee, and we just wave
that per permit and $5 fee for those

962
01:18:25,199 --> 01:18:32,159
that are willing to take their stuff to
the city park to do. Uh that that is

963
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:37,120
what I think we should have the res
resolution say because we need to track

964
01:18:34,239 --> 01:18:42,080
who is doing it so that we know who is
doing to enough to require that sales

965
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:45,960
tax ID number.
>> Can we wave the community?

966
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:54,800
» They do.
People are going to take stuff down

967
01:18:52,320 --> 01:19:02,280
there but if they say you know what I
didn't leave there. I mean see a lot of

968
01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:02,280
subdivisions communitywide

969
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:11,080
» if council does need

970
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:16,360
that
weigh

971
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:21,000
more than two

972
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:28,960
» but but again it's it's for self
tracking purposes if you have more than

973
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:35,199
one, more than two, you have to record
your sales tax because you're using it

974
01:19:31,199 --> 01:19:38,400
as a business. So the fee, fine, get rid
of it. I'm fine with that. That makes

975
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:42,800
sense because you're trying to encourage
people, but there still needs to be a

976
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:48,320
permit. So that way we're tracking who
is doing how many

977
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:51,679
think I think that's a reasonable medium
ground. They can have it in their house

978
01:19:50,159 --> 01:19:56,239
so they don't have to lug their stuff.
To Alvin McNeil's point, if they don't

979
01:19:53,920 --> 01:20:01,600
sell it, they don't leave it there. I
would like to see it in the park.

980
01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:05,679
» How many homes, individuals
the city tracked? You say more than two

981
01:20:03,679 --> 01:20:09,800
yard sales.
>> How are you tracking whether or not?

982
01:20:14,159 --> 01:20:18,880
» Then why do we have it in the first
place? I mean, doesn't

983
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:23,600
» that's Wait a minute. The requirement
was that the city secretary would start

984
01:20:20,719 --> 01:20:28,000
tracking that by keeping a a rolling
tally of who's doing it when and you

985
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:32,719
would just look back over the next 12
last 12 months and see if someone had

986
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:36,960
already submitted two applications if
they're submitting a third one. Then you

987
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:41,199
don't accept it without the fee. I mean
it was it was just going to be that that

988
01:20:39,440 --> 01:20:46,320
simple. Nothing fancy. Just keep a
12-month list uh spreadsheet, word

989
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:50,000
document, whatever. search for that
property address and if that address

990
01:20:48,239 --> 01:20:54,400
shows up two times in that list, they
can't do the third one without it. That

991
01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:59,679
that was the conversation when we
determined that by not requiring this

992
01:20:57,120 --> 01:21:05,440
permit and not requiring that fee, we
were uh condoning them breaking the law.

993
01:21:03,679 --> 01:21:12,800
So then what do like the mayor said
that's wave the fee they can come pick

994
01:21:08,480 --> 01:21:15,760
up the the permit for free and then push
forward with the resolution to let

995
01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:20,400
everybody know hey this is what we're
going to do drives

996
01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:24,719
» have we determined who's going to run
who who's going to run the the community

997
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:29,760
center the city park portion of this or
we not going to have that as an option

998
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:34,480
» I haven't seen a resolution I thought
the small memo there

999
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:37,840
» I I just asked that because some of the
proposed budgets in the future is to do

1000
01:21:36,239 --> 01:21:40,960
away with the paid position at the
community center which just means that

1001
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:45,040
all of our ladies at the community
center would be going back to being

1002
01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:49,600
volunteers and if no one has spoken to
them about the potential of being there

1003
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:53,280
on those two Saturdays but we need to
take that into consideration if we're

1004
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:56,280
going to add that aspect to the
resolution.

1005
01:21:58,159 --> 01:22:02,880
So she's saying if you're going to have
both. So she's saying if the personnel

1006
01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:07,679
that goes to the city park, they would
be waved, right? They would have a be

1007
01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:10,560
waved.
>> Yeah.

1008
01:22:08,159 --> 01:22:14,560
» However, those that want to make
community wide with the park.

1009
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:20,000
» Yeah. Yeah.
>> Yes. That was the intent, right?

1010
01:22:18,639 --> 01:22:23,560
» Yeah.
>> No, I haven't.

1011
01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:31,280
My my concern with doing it that way is
there's some folks that are well hidden

1012
01:22:28,719 --> 01:22:37,520
in culde-sacs off of deadend roads that
may not get the traffic that they desire

1013
01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:42,320
and may prefer a more localized uh a
more traveled location because I don't

1014
01:22:40,159 --> 01:22:47,440
know if you've looked at our map but
there's a lot of roads that go nowhere

1015
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:54,320
and roads off of them that also just end
and they may not get as much uh many uh

1016
01:22:52,159 --> 01:22:57,760
patrons customers as they would wish or
they could potentially get in a

1017
01:22:56,159 --> 01:23:03,360
centralized location of a well
advertised community event.

1018
01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:06,719
» Well, I mean in that in that light,
right,

1019
01:23:04,239 --> 01:23:12,480
» if we get enough
get enough participation,

1020
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:17,679
then we get signs similar to with the uh
uh the food the food program that was in

1021
01:23:15,199 --> 01:23:22,239
the summer where it says, you know, yard
sale this way, right? You know, people

1022
01:23:20,159 --> 01:23:25,679
put signs out when they have put their
own signs out if they want. Generally

1023
01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:28,400
speaking, they'll put one in the front
yard sale this weekend. You know,

1024
01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:31,719
something like that.
>> Yard sale.

1025
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:39,400
» Yeah, they're going to put their own
signs up anyway,

1026
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:39,400
» whether there's an or

1027
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:54,639
maybe the ladies have no problem doing
it. They did it like every Saturday for

1028
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:59,440
a long time. it they just lost interest
and they stopped doing it. But I just if

1029
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:03,920
they're all volunteers, I don't want to
assume we can ask somebody to work that

1030
01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:06,920
Saturday.
>> Yeah.

1031
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:13,239
» Yeah. I'd much rather have it in my
yard.

1032
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:24,800
I think I think the medium ground here
is a motion to uh wave the fee, require

1033
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:30,080
the permit for yard sales at their at
their home and we'll we'll we'll we'll

1034
01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:33,840
start advertising as soon as we can so
that way people can start signing up and

1035
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:39,440
or at least showing some interest.
>> People can do their yard sides and they

1036
01:24:36,239 --> 01:24:42,800
can advertise on social media.
>> You wanted the council members to make

1037
01:24:40,719 --> 01:24:47,120
that as a motion, mayor? No, no. I was
kind of just throwing it out there for

1038
01:24:44,719 --> 01:24:50,639
people to jump on to it.
>> But again, the consensus is we won't do

1039
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:53,639
the city part. Correct.
>> Correct.

1040
01:24:54,560 --> 01:25:01,760
Some of us that have been here for a
while know that that didn't go over very

1041
01:24:58,639 --> 01:25:06,239
well. There's very little participation.
>> All right.

1042
01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:10,800
» Some some days are more popular than
others.

1043
01:25:08,719 --> 01:25:16,719
» Go ahead.
Uh make a motion that that uh

1044
01:25:14,719 --> 01:25:22,159
draft a resolution established in the
spring and fall city yard sale set the

1045
01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:28,960
Saturday see the respective curbside
brush and bulk item collections

1046
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:36,320
at at person's residence wait in the
garage sale permit fee but still

1047
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:42,280
requiring the uh permit
and not at the not to be held at the

1048
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:42,280
city Sorry.

1049
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:49,040
» Oh, Mr. Chris's on the board today.
>> All right. I got a motion by Alderman

1050
01:25:47,040 --> 01:25:54,480
McNeel and a second by Alderman Krickker
to have the city administrators draft

1051
01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:59,360
the resolution establishing a spring and
fall citywide yard sale. Saturday,

1052
01:25:57,280 --> 01:26:04,080
preceding the p prospective curbside
brush and bulk the items collections

1053
01:26:01,679 --> 01:26:11,199
waving the garage sale fee, not the
garage sale permit uh

1054
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:14,560
to be done to be hand uh to be had at
their place of residence, not the city

1055
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:17,360
park.
Any other questions?

1056
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:21,040
» Yes, sir.
>> Yes.

1057
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:25,199
» Just want to clarify based on the way
that's stated, it sounds like this is

1058
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:29,120
not just a the next two events. This is
going to be recurring and will stay in

1059
01:26:26,639 --> 01:26:31,679
existence until the city council decides
to terminate this resolution. Is that

1060
01:26:30,719 --> 01:26:36,000
correct?
>> Correct.

1061
01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:40,880
» All right. Thank you.
>> All those Any other questions? All those

1062
01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:44,400
in favor say I.
>> I.

1063
01:26:41,679 --> 01:26:48,960
» All right. That motion carries.
Moving on.

1064
01:26:45,440 --> 01:26:51,040
» Did we Did we do item 7D, seven delta?
>> We have not done it.

1065
01:26:50,719 --> 01:26:54,159
» Okay.
>> You want to want to jump through it? No,

1066
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:56,719
I just I just wanted to make sure
because we've kind of jumped over a

1067
01:26:55,600 --> 01:27:00,239
little bit and I've been trying to
listen and take notes and uh a little

1068
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:02,960
hard sometimes. I have no problem with
you continuing as you wish, sir. Just

1069
01:27:01,679 --> 01:27:08,639
wanted to make sure.
>> Okay. No, all no good. All good. All uh

1070
01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:13,920
let's see here. All right. Discuss or
take possible action on agenda item 8J.

1071
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:18,239
Discuss possible action on amendments to
the personnel policy section 19 travel

1072
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:22,000
policy addressing training approval,
mileage, muer reimbursement, and

1073
01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:25,199
personal vehicle use. Dr. Dr. Johnson,
do you want to take on this one?

1074
01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:30,719
» Yes, sir. There are amendments that
we're asking to be made to the policy uh

1075
01:27:28,239 --> 01:27:35,360
travel policy due to the fact that
personnel are getting paid for traveling

1076
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:40,400
within the city limits. Um that's one of
those as well as mails making a change

1077
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:44,880
to meals. So, mail reimbursement applies
to overnight travel only. Same day

1078
01:27:42,480 --> 01:27:49,760
travel is excluded. Employees must elect
PDM or receipts. This is to save the

1079
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:51,920
city money. And um everything's in your
everything's in your folder. some of

1080
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:56,159
those things that we're looking at
making changes to.

1081
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:59,920
You guys can read over those. Let me
know if you have any questions.

1082
01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:04,719
» Based off a recent event.
>> Yeah.

1083
01:28:00,639 --> 01:28:10,480
» So, my my issue is on so travel within
San Antonio or the general region. Uh

1084
01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:14,560
let's just call it San Antonio that I
don't believe that should be paid for by

1085
01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:20,239
the city for when going to training
because it's local. Uh if you want to

1086
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:25,679
take it as far as take your your drive
from your home to the office to Sanuk's

1087
01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:30,080
office, say it's 20 miles, that's your
commuter deduction. Anything after that,

1088
01:28:27,679 --> 01:28:35,040
if you have to go 25 miles and it's so
it's five more, we'll pay for that. I

1089
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:40,480
think that's a fair um a fair commuter
deduction. Um as for meals, same day

1090
01:28:37,679 --> 01:28:44,080
travel, again within the Sanchin region,
I agree. However, if it's drive to

1091
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:48,719
Austin for a training, that's same day
travel. think we should pay for your

1092
01:28:45,679 --> 01:28:51,840
lunch at least. Um, if you have to go to
an evening training or whatever it is or

1093
01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:55,120
you're going to be there till the
evening, I think you should probably pay

1094
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:58,800
for your breakfast, lunch, and dinner if
you had to leave early. Um, those are

1095
01:28:57,280 --> 01:29:02,880
just my opinions. That's how we do it in
the in the private sector. I know that's

1096
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:07,440
not this, but I think it's a fair
accommodation for sending people to

1097
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:13,040
travel. I know another section that we
talked about is personal vehicle use. uh

1098
01:29:10,719 --> 01:29:16,719
if if if city vehicles are not
available, then yeah, personal vehicle

1099
01:29:14,639 --> 01:29:22,159
use makes sense. However, you'll still
have that commuter deduction. So, you

1100
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:27,840
know, if you go 25 miles and again, your
commute to Sykes is only 20 miles, we'll

1101
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:31,520
pay you the five.
That's again my my thoughts on that.

1102
01:29:30,719 --> 01:29:34,679
Bless you.
>> Thank you.

1103
01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:40,719
So, you want to

1104
01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:47,520
We pay per
you pay the IRS rate 72 and half cents

1105
01:29:46,080 --> 01:29:53,480
per month.
>> It went up in July.

1106
01:29:49,199 --> 01:29:53,480
» 76 76.

1107
01:29:59,679 --> 01:30:04,280
» I have a few comments and questions.

1108
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:13,040
» What was yours?
So, um, 19A, it states that all travel

1109
01:30:10,480 --> 01:30:18,320
must be preapproved by the mayor and
city administrator. Why are we requiring

1110
01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:22,880
both approvals? That's question one with
that sentence. And my second question

1111
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:27,040
with that sentence is it says in
conformance with the city's budget. I

1112
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:32,159
don't understand how that approval
conforms with the city budget. I think

1113
01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:37,520
that what that should actually say that
the approval is needed to ensure that

1114
01:30:34,880 --> 01:30:42,639
the travel expenses are covered by the
city bud budget or are within the city

1115
01:30:39,679 --> 01:30:45,679
budget. Something along those lines.
I'll pause and allow that question to be

1116
01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:49,360
addressed before I move to the next
section.

1117
01:30:47,360 --> 01:30:54,480
I I think travel should be approved by
the administrator

1118
01:30:51,199 --> 01:30:58,560
and the manager. I don't think if I'm if
I'm two if it's two different people,

1119
01:30:56,080 --> 01:31:02,880
right? I'll be the mayor. You have a
city administrator for a purpose and you

1120
01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:06,880
have a manager unless they're the same
person.

1121
01:31:04,480 --> 01:31:12,320
So, I mean,
>> yeah, I was saying it should be a dual

1122
01:31:08,320 --> 01:31:16,480
approval no matter what. It can't be uh
it can't Rick can't just go to the city

1123
01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:20,159
administrator as the chief. It would
have to get mine and the administrator.

1124
01:31:18,560 --> 01:31:25,360
So, I think we have to award it to where
it's a dual approval. Um, in this case,

1125
01:31:23,040 --> 01:31:28,560
if it's Fred that needs training, you
would go to Rick and then Rick would

1126
01:31:26,639 --> 01:31:31,280
take that to the administrator.
>> So, supervisor and city administrator.

1127
01:31:30,239 --> 01:31:34,800
And I know that's something that's
already in there and we're just wanting

1128
01:31:33,120 --> 01:31:38,239
to add it, but because it showed up
right here, I recognize that as

1129
01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:40,960
something I should have pointed out when
we were rewriting it, but I wanted to

1130
01:31:39,679 --> 01:31:46,960
address it while we're doing edits
anyway. So, um,

1131
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:52,719
so let me throw this out here. My
thoughts is since I have the draft of

1132
01:31:49,920 --> 01:31:56,239
this, we figure out what changes the
council wants to approve and then

1133
01:31:54,400 --> 01:32:00,719
instead make a motion for me to go make
the changes and bring it back for final

1134
01:31:57,920 --> 01:32:08,239
approval rather than trying to do it all
uh right here. And if we don't have any

1135
01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:11,360
concerns with that, uh then then we can
move forward that way based on the

1136
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:15,760
motion made at the end. But I want to
get through all the questions. So just

1137
01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:19,199
to understand this
what folks what the mayor is

1138
01:32:17,679 --> 01:32:24,560
recommending and I didn't hear any
complaints is instead make it the city

1139
01:32:21,199 --> 01:32:29,679
administrator and supervisor needs to
approve that.

1140
01:32:26,880 --> 01:32:35,840
So and then that leads to the question
the line that wants to be that needs to

1141
01:32:32,480 --> 01:32:40,000
be added uh that it requires approval
from the department head and the city

1142
01:32:37,679 --> 01:32:43,760
administrator. Do we want supervisor and
department head or both of them

1143
01:32:41,520 --> 01:32:50,159
supervisor both of them department head?
Um if we're adding a line after right

1144
01:32:46,159 --> 01:32:55,120
after that one that I think
I want to understand what they both

1145
01:32:51,920 --> 01:32:57,040
should say
>> either or

1146
01:32:55,920 --> 01:33:01,600
» I think they need to be both in
alignment.

1147
01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:05,639
» So I think it it it needs to be the
supervisor and the city.

1148
01:33:06,080 --> 01:33:10,960
» Okay. And not the department head. the
department head or do you want to keep

1149
01:33:09,440 --> 01:33:14,000
the department head in the set sentence
that he wants to add?

1150
01:33:12,639 --> 01:33:18,320
» Or do you want
>> I don't think we're deep enough to to

1151
01:33:16,080 --> 01:33:23,040
necessitate the department head, right?
Because pretty much our supervisors are

1152
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:27,040
the department heads.
>> Yeah. Right now, the only supervisor we

1153
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:29,760
have is I mean department head we have
is the chief,

1154
01:33:28,159 --> 01:33:32,800
» right?
>> So instead of saying department head,

1155
01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:36,800
say the supervisor and city
administrator

1156
01:33:34,320 --> 01:33:41,520
administrator prior to registration. But
um back again to the current sentence,

1157
01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:45,199
my second question on that one, it's not
in conformance with the city budget, is

1158
01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:48,000
it? Isn't it more that approval more to
verify that it's within the city's

1159
01:33:47,440 --> 01:33:52,040
budget?
>> Within the city budget. Yeah.

1160
01:33:52,159 --> 01:34:00,159
» Okay. And then
uh I

1161
01:33:58,719 --> 01:34:04,080
and at what being with the federal
government, that's the thing that the

1162
01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:08,320
mayor mentioned in terms of if you're
doing local travel and your commute to

1163
01:34:06,480 --> 01:34:12,239
work is 10 miles, but your commute to
the local training or local place that's

1164
01:34:10,639 --> 01:34:18,719
been approved is 20 miles, you would
only be reimbursed for that additional

1165
01:34:14,159 --> 01:34:22,960
10 miles. And so, um I I think that's a
good idea. What what about the us rest

1166
01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:29,520
of the council in terms of updating
section 19B to specify mileage exceeding

1167
01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:34,080
the normal commute as determined by
what? Google maps

1168
01:34:32,639 --> 01:34:39,360
» or just make a standard commuter
deduction commuter deduction of 20

1169
01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:45,120
miles. Everybody has the same 20. Well,
what if someone lives in town, for

1170
01:34:41,920 --> 01:34:49,760
example, Cassandra, and her commute to
work is two miles because it's two miles

1171
01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:53,440
all the way to the back of town. Uh, but
she needs to drive all the way up into

1172
01:34:51,440 --> 01:34:57,040
San Antonio. We're now having her drive
further than she usually drives to get

1173
01:34:55,280 --> 01:35:02,800
to work, but you're still making her do
that 20 mile deduction. the way you say

1174
01:35:00,159 --> 01:35:10,360
if they so the shall be reimbured to
current IRS mileage rate for each mile

1175
01:35:06,080 --> 01:35:10,360
traveled from city hall

1176
01:35:10,639 --> 01:35:15,760
» that but if it's local travel it should
only be that which exceeds their normal

1177
01:35:14,239 --> 01:35:20,000
commute
>> is what what the mayor was saying and

1178
01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:23,360
what I agree with is what I'm the point
I'm trying to make because if someone

1179
01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:27,520
lives in town
>> and then we're not going to make them

1180
01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:32,880
drive to city hall but if from driving
to town to city hall takes them 10 miles

1181
01:35:30,560 --> 01:35:38,080
and their training is 5 miles down the
road, they don't get commute any kind of

1182
01:35:35,040 --> 01:35:41,440
compensation. But if their commute is 12
miles, they can get compensation for

1183
01:35:39,760 --> 01:35:45,440
that extra two miles we're making them
drive.

1184
01:35:44,080 --> 01:35:49,600
And I can word that in there
appropriately if if this council agrees.

1185
01:35:48,080 --> 01:35:55,280
And again, I'll bring this all back for
you to take a look at.

1186
01:35:53,440 --> 01:35:58,760
Does that make sense or am I just
talking in circles?

1187
01:35:59,360 --> 01:36:07,520
That makes sense. It's like DTS kind of
way with it.

1188
01:36:04,880 --> 01:36:13,040
» Exactly. Yeah. You know DTS.
>> So, does anyone else have any concerns

1189
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:17,920
with me drafting that
and bringing it back?

1190
01:36:14,719 --> 01:36:23,560
» No. No concern.
>> Okay. And then the next item,

1191
01:36:23,840 --> 01:36:30,639
um,
you want to add a replacement statement

1192
01:36:27,520 --> 01:36:37,040
that says employees must elect per DMR
receipts, not both. I disagree with

1193
01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:44,880
that. My
recommendation would be the um

1194
01:36:41,920 --> 01:36:49,560
the reimbursement will be uh based on
receipts not to exceed perdm.

1195
01:36:52,080 --> 01:36:58,159
money saver.
>> Yeah. So, they would have to go to the

1196
01:36:55,679 --> 01:37:06,159
uh GSA, determine what city they're
traveling to, near city. That would

1197
01:37:01,520 --> 01:37:08,960
determine what their reimbursement is.
>> Okay. I think that was the mayor that

1198
01:37:07,520 --> 01:37:14,719
spoke. Does anyone on the council have
any objections to me incorporating that?

1199
01:37:12,719 --> 01:37:18,239
» No.
Again,

1200
01:37:16,880 --> 01:37:22,719
I hate not being there so I can see the
looks on folks faces because I can tell

1201
01:37:19,920 --> 01:37:26,800
what they think of everything. And then
um

1202
01:37:23,520 --> 01:37:30,520
» smiles. We're all smiling. [laughter]
>> What a happy gender.

1203
01:37:31,040 --> 01:37:36,480
» Yeah.
>> So, and then item 19E,

1204
01:37:34,480 --> 01:37:39,920
it says, "An employee who elects to use
a personal vehicle when a city vehicle

1205
01:37:38,239 --> 01:37:44,239
is available forfeits mileage
reimbursement unless the city

1206
01:37:41,679 --> 01:37:48,880
administrator provides it." I I don't
think we need to specify

1207
01:37:46,400 --> 01:37:54,080
that the city vehicle is available. I
think anytime a city employee wants to

1208
01:37:51,199 --> 01:37:57,600
use a personal vehicle, they need to be
um get approval, written approval from

1209
01:37:56,320 --> 01:38:01,960
the city administrator if they want to
get reimbursed prior to going.

1210
01:38:02,239 --> 01:38:10,400
That way the mayor that way the city
administrator knows

1211
01:38:07,040 --> 01:38:14,639
that this person is taking a POV. It's
going to take this much of the budget

1212
01:38:12,960 --> 01:38:19,960
and that's planned out at the time
they're making it making the trip.

1213
01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:28,480
I I think it's irrelevant whether the
city city vehicles available or not. I I

1214
01:38:25,840 --> 01:38:33,760
I think
um

1215
01:38:30,639 --> 01:38:38,239
if the city vehicle is available, do we
still want to force them to use the city

1216
01:38:35,840 --> 01:38:43,040
vehicle?
if the the we're going to force them to

1217
01:38:40,639 --> 01:38:47,920
get approval instead and then the the
city administrator would make that call.

1218
01:38:46,320 --> 01:38:51,760
» I don't I don't know understand why they
would take their personal vehicle other

1219
01:38:49,920 --> 01:38:54,080
than
they would have to take

1220
01:38:52,719 --> 01:38:57,520
» administrator then the city
administrator would just say no if

1221
01:38:55,840 --> 01:39:01,040
there's no justification because maybe
the city administr maybe the city

1222
01:38:59,119 --> 01:39:07,320
vehicle is available but the individual
is going to Austin and it's a late night

1223
01:39:03,040 --> 01:39:07,320
meeting and they need to stay overnight.

1224
01:39:07,520 --> 01:39:13,520
So, so just because the city a vehicle
is available for them to take it, maybe

1225
01:39:11,840 --> 01:39:17,840
the city administrator doesn't want it
gone overnight and wants it there just

1226
01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:22,400
in case it's needed and is going to opt
to give the person approval to take that

1227
01:39:20,000 --> 01:39:25,840
personal vehicle as an example of a time
the vehicle's available, but city

1228
01:39:23,920 --> 01:39:32,560
administrator chooses to approve it. It
shouldn't be the case all the time, but

1229
01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:35,960
written permission is required. Period.
>> Yeah, I agree.

1230
01:39:40,960 --> 01:39:46,960
the rest of what does the council think
on that one?

1231
01:39:44,800 --> 01:39:52,080
» That's good. I'm ready to move to for
you to make those

1232
01:39:49,440 --> 01:39:55,520
corrections and bring them back. You
don't have anything else to

1233
01:39:53,760 --> 01:40:03,119
» Well, I just wanted to address the two
things that the mayor said. He was

1234
01:39:58,000 --> 01:40:08,960
talking about um the ability for exe for
u maybe sometimes we want to authorize a

1235
01:40:06,639 --> 01:40:14,960
lunch meal if they're driving to Austin.
So um I would just recommend that in the

1236
01:40:12,080 --> 01:40:18,800
meal section under 19c any exceptions to
this and must be or maybe just for the

1237
01:40:17,280 --> 01:40:22,480
whole section. I'll look at it as a
whole and see. But I want to add a

1238
01:40:20,639 --> 01:40:27,360
caveat that any exceptions to this
policy must be approved by the city

1239
01:40:24,400 --> 01:40:32,880
administrator in writing prior to making
the expenditures.

1240
01:40:30,719 --> 01:40:38,639
» Prior to making them
>> prior to making them.

1241
01:40:36,159 --> 01:40:43,800
» No, prior to making any expenditures,
you need to get written approval from

1242
01:40:40,400 --> 01:40:43,800
the city administrator.

1243
01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:50,080
» You need written permission before you
go buy your lunch.

1244
01:40:48,400 --> 01:40:54,159
» Yeah.
difficult.

1245
01:40:52,239 --> 01:41:00,400
» Okay. Yeah, those are the only things
that I see based on what the um what the

1246
01:40:58,080 --> 01:41:05,520
city administrator has proposed and I've
made notes on all those things that I've

1247
01:41:02,560 --> 01:41:08,719
uh mentioned.
Do we need to make a motion?

1248
01:41:06,800 --> 01:41:14,080
» Yes, we'll make a motion. So, need to
authorize it.

1249
01:41:09,440 --> 01:41:18,639
» I move I move that we authorize May 10
to uh

1250
01:41:16,239 --> 01:41:24,639
take action on the
work in the draft and uh amendments to

1251
01:41:21,600 --> 01:41:29,199
the personal policy manual section 19
travel policy address and training pro

1252
01:41:26,800 --> 01:41:34,159
mileage. No reimbursement personal
vehicle use as discussed with this

1253
01:41:31,920 --> 01:41:38,080
council.
Second.

1254
01:41:36,320 --> 01:41:43,280
» Got a motion by Alderman McNeel and a
second by Alderman Kricmer to authorize

1255
01:41:40,960 --> 01:41:48,159
the mayor pro Tim to make amendments to
the personnel policy section 19 travel

1256
01:41:46,239 --> 01:41:52,719
policy address and train approval
mileage me reimbursement and personal

1257
01:41:49,840 --> 01:41:56,239
vehicle use and bring it up at the next
opportunity once the amendments are

1258
01:41:54,080 --> 01:42:02,239
made.
There any further discussion?

1259
01:41:58,800 --> 01:42:08,000
All those in favor say I. I.
>> Okay, that motion carries. Thank you.

1260
01:42:05,119 --> 01:42:10,639
» All right. Um, hey, we don't have Chief
here to discuss.

1261
01:42:08,880 --> 01:42:17,560
» I think it says Chelsea. I think Chelsea
is

1262
01:42:13,440 --> 01:42:17,560
online here. Just

1263
01:42:18,080 --> 01:42:21,800
» Hey, Chief, are you there?

1264
01:42:24,159 --> 01:42:32,280
Okay.
>> I think I saw Cece online.

1265
01:42:27,920 --> 01:42:32,280
» Yes, ma'am. She dropped off as well.

1266
01:42:33,600 --> 01:42:38,480
Uh I'll just give you a little bit of
feedback on it. So there the chief is

1267
01:42:37,119 --> 01:42:43,600
running out of evidence room. They'd
like to come and deer Cassandra's

1268
01:42:40,639 --> 01:42:46,400
office. Correct?
>> Yeah. Yeah.

1269
01:42:44,719 --> 01:42:52,400
» So they'd like to come and Cassandra's
office to expand the evidence room um

1270
01:42:50,560 --> 01:42:56,639
just to compensate for the evidence that
we got to maintain for the you know

1271
01:42:54,400 --> 01:43:00,320
current cases and previous cases and so
on and so forth.

1272
01:42:58,560 --> 01:43:03,840
we could reallocate some people further
down the line to take up, you know, so

1273
01:43:02,719 --> 01:43:08,560
that way they still have a place to
work. But that's the general idea. I

1274
01:43:06,239 --> 01:43:12,480
know the chief's supposed to work on a
uh kind of a design so that way he can

1275
01:43:10,480 --> 01:43:17,360
show us exactly what we need. Then we
also got to figure out if it makes sense

1276
01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:22,480
because um that one evidence room does
have ventilation. So that would have to

1277
01:43:19,600 --> 01:43:26,560
be adjusted because that is a Cassandra
does is a part of a regular ventilation

1278
01:43:24,639 --> 01:43:29,920
system. So, it's not as easy as just
knocking down the wall.

1279
01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:34,719
» So, based on the price of this effort,
do we need more than one quote? And

1280
01:43:31,920 --> 01:43:38,320
would it not make more sense to have a
contractor come in and look at the

1281
01:43:36,800 --> 01:43:42,480
layout of city hall and make a
recommendation on what would be the

1282
01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:45,920
best? I think that might be uh the
contractor that we bring in might be

1283
01:43:43,920 --> 01:43:52,960
more qualified than the chief of police
to determine how best to um efficiently

1284
01:43:50,400 --> 01:43:55,760
remodel city hall
>> uh for the Hrack Park. Yeah, most

1285
01:43:54,480 --> 01:43:59,760
definitely. I think we need to at least
figure that part out and if it's even

1286
01:43:57,360 --> 01:44:03,360
worth it to do it or can it be done with
the existing setup.

1287
01:44:01,600 --> 01:44:09,360
» Can our engineer do that or do we need
to bring somebody in to do that?

1288
01:44:05,199 --> 01:44:14,000
» Well, maybe the engineer could do that.
>> I I just don't think that's within the

1289
01:44:11,040 --> 01:44:17,600
scope of the the chief's expertise and
that maybe someone else needs to look at

1290
01:44:15,760 --> 01:44:20,800
our layout because I don't even know
what the layout of city hall. I mean,

1291
01:44:19,199 --> 01:44:23,920
I've been all through the halls, but to
actually look at the layout from a sky

1292
01:44:22,480 --> 01:44:28,639
view to be able to determine what the
best way is. Um, I I think maybe we need

1293
01:44:26,239 --> 01:44:33,280
our engineer to give us a suggestion and
a ballpark cost so we know whether we

1294
01:44:31,440 --> 01:44:36,400
need to go get multiple proposals or we
whether we can just pick one. I think we

1295
01:44:35,280 --> 01:44:40,000
need more information.
>> Yeah, I know this is a mobile home, but

1296
01:44:38,080 --> 01:44:43,440
are we talking about moving? There's got
to be loadbearing walls and send where

1297
01:44:42,159 --> 01:44:47,119
these things went together.
>> Yeah. So, it would be doing anything in

1298
01:44:45,280 --> 01:44:52,000
there. It would be sim similar to what
they did for the um the the one area

1299
01:44:50,080 --> 01:44:56,400
where they took over part of Jacob's
office. They would make a door in the

1300
01:44:54,400 --> 01:45:00,000
middle and then close out the backside,
right? Close where the the door was

1301
01:44:57,920 --> 01:45:04,400
originally. So that way they can still
utilize the space and then it's secure

1302
01:45:02,719 --> 01:45:09,040
even though it's not within their
hallway, right? Does that make sense? So

1303
01:45:06,719 --> 01:45:12,960
it's just opening a door frame and then
closing one out so that nobody else can

1304
01:45:10,960 --> 01:45:17,679
access it.
But yeah, we can uh we can talk to the

1305
01:45:14,560 --> 01:45:21,199
engineer. Um, and I'm still want to see
what the chief's idea was because maybe

1306
01:45:19,119 --> 01:45:25,360
I'm missing the point there, too. So,
>> and I mean, engineer can definitely

1307
01:45:23,600 --> 01:45:29,119
speak with the chief and use that to
influence it, but I think our engineer

1308
01:45:27,040 --> 01:45:33,080
is better qualified.
>> What's involved with that?

1309
01:45:33,440 --> 01:45:38,639
» Yeah, it's a it's got its own
ventilation system and it's got it own

1310
01:45:36,639 --> 01:45:44,920
track system. So, can it be expanded
into the

1311
01:45:41,679 --> 01:45:44,920
new D?

1312
01:45:45,119 --> 01:45:51,400
» All right. I'll uh get with the engineer
and see if we can come down and see what

1313
01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:51,400
we want to do.

1314
01:45:51,840 --> 01:45:54,920
» All right.

1315
01:45:59,280 --> 01:46:06,480
Is that no action or close call?
>> No. Yeah. I have it down is I'll uh I'll

1316
01:46:04,080 --> 01:46:09,920
action this and get with the engineer to
give it to you. Okay.

1317
01:46:08,320 --> 01:46:15,119
» Yeah. And we need to bring it back once
we have more information from better

1318
01:46:12,960 --> 01:46:18,719
qualified folks with details. What is
the engineering? What is the lowbearing

1319
01:46:16,719 --> 01:46:22,159
walls? That's a very valid point. I I
mean we definitely need to postpone and

1320
01:46:20,080 --> 01:46:26,800
bring it back with more info.
>> Okay.

1321
01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:30,880
All right. So then
All right. So let's move on to agenda

1322
01:46:28,239 --> 01:46:34,000
item 8m
discussing take possible action and

1323
01:46:32,320 --> 01:46:38,480
authorize city attorney to prepare
memorandum of understanding between the

1324
01:46:35,360 --> 01:46:42,400
city of Sanio and enterprises regarding
the potential expansion of the city's

1325
01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:45,679
extrateral extr territorial jurisdiction
to include the oaks at waterwood

1326
01:46:43,840 --> 01:46:50,480
subdivision and the subsequent
annexation thereof. Dr. Johnson.

1327
01:46:48,320 --> 01:46:54,480
» Yes, sir. So, on last week, Jody and I
with Roberto went to go talk to the

1328
01:46:52,560 --> 01:46:58,880
Garcia family, which they are willing to
move forward on possibly being annexed

1329
01:46:56,880 --> 01:47:02,800
by us, but they will they they would
like to see the fine print on some of

1330
01:47:00,639 --> 01:47:09,600
the restrictions that we have in place
uh before moving forward. So, I'm asking

1331
01:47:05,440 --> 01:47:14,159
the council to um by approval for a
memorandum of understanding to be signed

1332
01:47:11,360 --> 01:47:17,199
and sent over to those guys.
I don't understand the purpose of this

1333
01:47:15,600 --> 01:47:20,480
memorandum of understanding based on
what I'm reading. Why do we need them in

1334
01:47:18,719 --> 01:47:23,199
our extr territorial jurisdiction?
That's what I'm trying to understand.

1335
01:47:21,760 --> 01:47:27,840
We've already spent money on our
attorney drafting a letter for them to

1336
01:47:25,119 --> 01:47:32,159
give to us to request that we annex them
and and the restrictions are clearly

1337
01:47:30,080 --> 01:47:34,960
laid out in our ordinances. I mean, we
can sit down and explain them to them. I

1338
01:47:33,679 --> 01:47:38,600
I don't understand the purpose of
putting them in our ETJ.

1339
01:47:40,960 --> 01:47:46,560
» Yes, ma'am. But memorandum of
understanding just give those guys more

1340
01:47:43,840 --> 01:47:49,199
so um a not so much of a contract but
just better understanding on exactly all

1341
01:47:48,080 --> 01:47:55,719
of our restrictions, some of the things
that we require from them before moving

1342
01:47:51,119 --> 01:47:55,719
forward with an agreement.

1343
01:47:57,520 --> 01:48:05,679
I'm hesitant to spend more of our
attorney money

1344
01:48:01,280 --> 01:48:10,400
on them without anything from them
indicating interest. They keep asking us

1345
01:48:07,840 --> 01:48:16,239
for things.
So when I mean our attorney bill this

1346
01:48:14,480 --> 01:48:20,719
year was 10,000. I mean this month was
$10,000 and I I know a lot of it was

1347
01:48:18,960 --> 01:48:28,239
budget related, but you're asking for
more money for them when they're driving

1348
01:48:25,840 --> 01:48:33,760
manufactured homes down our streets and
setting up town. I I I don't understand

1349
01:48:30,880 --> 01:48:38,320
what they don't know
that they need us to tell them in an

1350
01:48:35,920 --> 01:48:44,639
official agreement. It sounded like they
were asking us to wave some of our laws

1351
01:48:40,639 --> 01:48:49,679
for them to enforce the um the deed
restrictions. We have nothing to do with

1352
01:48:46,080 --> 01:48:54,000
deed restrictions. I I I'm just really
confused. Why can't they just tell us

1353
01:48:51,280 --> 01:48:58,960
they want us to annex them or not or ask
us what laws are?

1354
01:48:56,480 --> 01:49:04,239
Memorandum of understanding. Just I I
don't see the point to it. I think my

1355
01:49:01,520 --> 01:49:12,080
first time I've already drafted a draft
petition for them to submit to the city

1356
01:49:08,239 --> 01:49:18,639
and it included these blank spaces for
them to ask the city what they needed or

1357
01:49:15,760 --> 01:49:22,000
what they wanted in exchange for being
included in the extr territorial

1358
01:49:19,920 --> 01:49:26,880
jurisdiction. So I think with that draft
petition they can then include what

1359
01:49:24,400 --> 01:49:32,080
they're asking for and then the city
then can go back and negotiate

1360
01:49:29,600 --> 01:49:36,960
» what it is willing to compromise on and
and in exchange for coming into the TJ.

1361
01:49:34,480 --> 01:49:41,520
So I think that draft petition can be
used in place of this or in instead of

1362
01:49:39,360 --> 01:49:46,800
this memorandum of understanding where
they submit to us what

1363
01:49:45,199 --> 01:49:50,400
» Okay. So this is a thing that the mayor
asked you to draft a few months ago and

1364
01:49:48,639 --> 01:49:54,159
this addresses a lot of the concerns
that ca that that they were asking.

1365
01:49:52,320 --> 01:49:59,679
» Yeah. and that was drafted and that was
sent to them and so the ball has been in

1366
01:49:56,320 --> 01:50:07,679
their their court. Um, as far as getting
them to then ask what they want for BTJ,

1367
01:50:04,800 --> 01:50:12,800
» I think we resend that letter that u
that document and we don't do anyou and

1368
01:50:10,960 --> 01:50:16,719
if they don't decide to do it then we
just wait until they're fully populated

1369
01:50:14,320 --> 01:50:21,119
and we do a referendum.
>> So wh why do we need them in our ETJ?

1370
01:50:19,440 --> 01:50:24,400
Why can't we just annex them? I'm a
little confused there.

1371
01:50:22,560 --> 01:50:28,639
» I didn't understand that before, but
that's required.

1372
01:50:25,760 --> 01:50:34,159
» You can't property that is not near ETJ.
So, first you need to become the ETJ and

1373
01:50:32,560 --> 01:50:37,840
then it needs to be annexed. So, two
separate processes.

1374
01:50:36,320 --> 01:50:42,400
» Understood. That makes sense. Well, then
I would move that we um authorize the

1375
01:50:40,480 --> 01:50:50,000
city administrator to resend that
document to uh this uh these property

1376
01:50:46,239 --> 01:50:55,639
owners and uh allow them to respond with
that instead of anou.

1377
01:50:52,400 --> 01:50:55,639
» A second.

1378
01:50:58,719 --> 01:51:06,239
» Okay. All right. So I have a motion by
the mayor prom and a second by alderman

1379
01:51:04,320 --> 01:51:12,840
brickmer to authorize the city
administrator to resend the document

1380
01:51:09,360 --> 01:51:12,840
instead of theou.

1381
01:51:13,199 --> 01:51:21,360
All those in well is there any further
discussion?

1382
01:51:16,560 --> 01:51:28,159
Not all those in favor say I. I
>> all those opposed. Motion will carry.

1383
01:51:24,960 --> 01:51:31,199
All right. On agenda item 810, discuss
or take possible action on hosting an

1384
01:51:29,679 --> 01:51:37,040
annual national night out on Tuesday,
October 6, 2026 at 5:00 pm at the shops

1385
01:51:33,840 --> 01:51:40,159
of Sanos parking lot. Uh Dr. Johnson,
you want to lead this one?

1386
01:51:38,480 --> 01:51:44,960
» Yes, sir. So, simply requesting
permission to host a national layout

1387
01:51:42,239 --> 01:51:49,440
this year, but I can get up with the Bar
County Fire Department to see if they

1388
01:51:47,760 --> 01:51:54,320
can help us out and probably get some
sponsors from Lime Barker and other

1389
01:51:52,480 --> 01:51:57,320
other personnel that we work with. waste
connections.

1390
01:51:58,000 --> 01:52:03,119
» Do we have authorization from
>> Yes.

1391
01:52:01,760 --> 01:52:06,840
» the shops?
>> The owner. Yes, ma'am.

1392
01:52:10,480 --> 01:52:15,119
» You're good.
>> Is it five o'clock? I thought it was six

1393
01:52:13,840 --> 01:52:20,239
because five o'clock we're just getting
off of work.

1394
01:52:16,800 --> 01:52:24,800
» Okay. So, six o'clock. Yes, sir. And it
is overtime for the employees that are

1395
01:52:22,000 --> 01:52:27,040
working. They will be working.
>> What action is required for us to move

1396
01:52:26,400 --> 01:52:30,040
forward on this
>> summary.

1397
01:52:40,000 --> 01:52:44,239
Do we want to make a motion to provide a
proclamation at the next regular

1398
01:52:43,679 --> 01:52:49,679
meeting?
>> Um I don't think any of the motions

1399
01:52:46,000 --> 01:52:53,480
would be the main All
right, I'll do the proclamation.

1400
01:52:57,360 --> 01:53:01,679
Yeah, let's start um let's get in some
material together so we can at least

1401
01:53:00,239 --> 01:53:07,840
throw it online already so we can start
getting some interest. Okay, and then

1402
01:53:05,599 --> 01:53:13,159
we can start because we got about a
month. Okay, sure. Well, sooner the

1403
01:53:09,440 --> 01:53:13,159
better the better.

1404
01:53:16,000 --> 01:53:22,960
Yeah. Okay.
>> All right. Uh, agenda item O discuss and

1405
01:53:21,840 --> 01:53:25,599
entertain possible action on the
termination of the agreement for

1406
01:53:24,080 --> 01:53:28,960
services between the city of San Diego,
Texas and Western Welding LLC for the

1407
01:53:27,199 --> 01:53:31,840
fabrication and installation of the Tina
Park entrance sign. Johnson, you have

1408
01:53:31,280 --> 01:53:37,360
the floor.
>> Yes, sir. So, the owner the city paid

1409
01:53:34,000 --> 01:53:41,679
the owner $3,000 um owner never did any
work. So, we look at another 3,000.

1410
01:53:39,440 --> 01:53:47,599
Well, according to the contract, it's a
total of $6,000. So, additional $3,000

1411
01:53:44,159 --> 01:53:52,480
will be uh required if he does complete
the work. So, I'm asking the council

1412
01:53:48,960 --> 01:53:57,119
just um discontin terminate the contract
in general. So, we'll be done. We'll be

1413
01:53:53,920 --> 01:54:01,920
out of that deal.
>> Has he answered any of your emails? I

1414
01:53:59,040 --> 01:54:09,480
know both you and Alderman Kickmer have
been trying to get a hold of him.

1415
01:54:04,480 --> 01:54:09,480
» Last I heard from him was

1416
01:54:15,440 --> 01:54:23,280
He has not responded to my email.
>> He has not responded to my last four

1417
01:54:20,960 --> 01:54:26,239
emails.
>> Nothing. And

1418
01:54:24,880 --> 01:54:30,639
» did we give him a dump?
>> We gave him $3,000.

1419
01:54:28,159 --> 01:54:35,440
» So, we need to reclaim that money
because we have no confidence that he

1420
01:54:32,719 --> 01:54:39,199
can complete the job as well
satisfactory.

1421
01:54:37,040 --> 01:54:43,599
So, city attorney, what are our steps to
recover that $3,000 we've already

1422
01:54:41,199 --> 01:54:48,560
provided to him? Uh, I would suggest to
initially a demand letter um that either

1423
01:54:46,239 --> 01:54:53,520
they complete the work or just terminate
the contract and demand that $3,000 bet

1424
01:54:51,920 --> 01:55:00,320
before
um pursuing other legal avenues like uh

1425
01:54:57,040 --> 01:55:05,159
like litigation or you know reports
reports to better business bureau or

1426
01:55:02,159 --> 01:55:05,159
other

1427
01:55:05,840 --> 01:55:08,840
not

1428
01:55:10,639 --> 01:55:17,080
» wish to reclaim All attorney's expenses
is one of

1429
01:55:17,360 --> 01:55:20,599
this endeavor.

1430
01:55:21,520 --> 01:55:24,679
» Let's let's

1431
01:55:30,639 --> 01:55:35,360
» recovering city attorney fees. Wouldn't
that recover require going to small

1432
01:55:34,239 --> 01:55:38,840
claims court?
>> I think yes.

1433
01:55:39,520 --> 01:55:46,719
gonna cost more than the money we're
gonna use.

1434
01:55:44,080 --> 01:55:51,679
» Yeah, let's just try to get our money
by by way of

1435
01:55:48,960 --> 01:55:56,760
move city
and send out man

1436
01:55:59,679 --> 01:56:08,159
completed by we give him uh we give him
30 days. We give him 14 days. I don't

1437
01:56:06,880 --> 01:56:14,080
even think we need to give them any
time. I don't think I'll revert it back

1438
01:56:10,639 --> 01:56:18,400
to the attorney to
>> Alderman Trembble, I recommend your

1439
01:56:15,679 --> 01:56:24,000
motion also include that we um include
terminating that contract.

1440
01:56:20,480 --> 01:56:30,320
» Exactly. Second.
>> Okay. So the motion by alderman tremble

1441
01:56:26,800 --> 01:56:36,800
and second by alderman quicker is to uh
authorize the city attorney to draft the

1442
01:56:31,920 --> 01:56:41,280
demand letter and to the contracting
3

1443
01:56:38,800 --> 01:56:46,560
requested at $3,000
and to terminate the contract.

1444
01:56:44,560 --> 01:56:50,239
Any questions?
All those in favor say I. Hi.

1445
01:56:48,960 --> 01:56:56,840
» Hi.
>> Go on the letter to say um sorry this is

1446
01:56:53,199 --> 01:56:56,840
my boo.

1447
01:56:56,880 --> 01:57:05,400
» Do you want to go to
>> I got it.

1448
01:57:00,080 --> 01:57:05,400
» All right. Um so now at this time

1449
01:57:07,840 --> 01:57:18,000
» are we okay? So let's go to
agenda item.

1450
01:57:15,520 --> 01:57:22,080
Okay. Yeah. So let's go to agenda item.
We'll go to the the next few item. Let's

1451
01:57:19,679 --> 01:57:25,679
go to agenda item 8 C discussing our
possible action on a resolution for the

1452
01:57:24,159 --> 01:57:30,400
city of San Diego, Texas regarding the
maximum abalone tax rate for the for

1453
01:57:28,560 --> 01:57:36,639
council will consider and setting a time
date and location for a public hearing

1454
01:57:32,000 --> 01:57:40,679
on the tax rate that was 828.
So I think we bounced.

1455
01:57:43,840 --> 01:57:49,360
» So council got passed similar resolution
but that was for a rate that was above

1456
01:57:48,159 --> 01:57:53,040
the voter approval rate and the
dimminimous rate. Um we had to notice in

1457
01:57:51,840 --> 01:57:57,920
the paper we had a public hearing and
the council did not vote on the tax

1458
01:57:55,040 --> 01:58:03,280
rate. So we have to essentially start
the process all over again. um a rate

1459
01:58:00,880 --> 01:58:09,119
not to exceed the book. So that is what
this resolution is is for the proposed

1460
01:58:06,400 --> 01:58:16,360
relief that now
we need a note in the paper

1461
01:58:12,719 --> 01:58:16,360
is I believe

1462
01:58:16,960 --> 01:58:19,960
» 3563

1463
01:58:20,480 --> 01:58:27,440
» that is the voter approved tax rate
correct and then the um next regular

1464
01:58:26,080 --> 01:58:31,599
meetings are September 10th and
September 24th um however although those

1465
01:58:30,239 --> 01:58:39,000
are regular meetings it still would need
a forum of four to

1466
01:58:35,360 --> 01:58:39,000
pass the tax rate.

1467
01:58:39,440 --> 01:58:44,880
» Are you supposed to be in town that
week, Miracle?

1468
01:58:43,280 --> 01:58:47,880
» No, sir.
>> No.

1469
01:58:51,679 --> 01:58:56,360
You're likely not going to be available.

1470
01:58:58,960 --> 01:59:04,159
» I can pick you up.
We can all pick you up. We'll take the

1471
01:59:02,400 --> 01:59:07,760
patty wagon.
>> I'll talk to him now.

1472
01:59:06,639 --> 01:59:15,040
» All right.
>> Okay, cool. Um, so then what do we need

1473
01:59:10,080 --> 01:59:18,400
to do? We need to adopt the resolution.
Just amend this resolution.

1474
01:59:16,560 --> 01:59:20,560
» Well, it it wouldn't amend the
resolution since you already had a

1475
01:59:19,520 --> 01:59:25,040
hearing. It's just like a new
resolution. So, it should have a new the

1476
01:59:22,800 --> 01:59:28,960
new resolution should date the recital
as to why we're doing this again and

1477
01:59:26,960 --> 01:59:34,159
then have the voter approval, right? Uh
I can read the motion if someone just

1478
01:59:30,719 --> 01:59:38,400
also specific. Um the motion would be
that the maximum proposed Avalor tax

1479
01:59:36,800 --> 01:59:46,320
rate that the city council will consider
for 2026 is 356390

1480
01:59:43,280 --> 01:59:52,719
cent per 100 technical value and that
the council hold a public hearing on the

1481
01:59:48,159 --> 01:59:58,080
tax rates at city hall 22870 Priest Road
Sandy Oaks Texas 78112

1482
01:59:56,000 --> 02:00:05,760
on September
10 2026 at 6:30 p.m. and that council

1483
02:00:01,440 --> 02:00:11,599
adopt the 226 alarm tax rate.
So that would that's moved

1484
02:00:10,639 --> 02:00:15,639
second
>> and then this needs a record.

1485
02:00:15,920 --> 02:00:22,119
We got a motion by
Miss Ne

1486
02:00:24,480 --> 02:00:33,520
to accept motion as stated.
Alderman Kirkmer

1487
02:00:30,639 --> 02:00:40,119
favor
McNeel. Are you in favor?

1488
02:00:37,119 --> 02:00:40,119
» Walker

1489
02:00:40,480 --> 02:00:47,440
Blade.
>> Hi.

1490
02:00:42,159 --> 02:00:52,719
» And mayor Monado. Hi,
>> that pass motion carry.

1491
02:00:52,000 --> 02:00:55,520
» We're good.
>> Yes,

1492
02:00:53,840 --> 02:01:00,080
» that passes the resolution as well,
correct?

1493
02:00:57,840 --> 02:01:03,920
» Yes. You make a separate motion.
>> A separate motion for the resolution.

1494
02:01:02,000 --> 02:01:06,400
» Uh, well, no, that passes the resolution
that you wanted.

1495
02:01:04,960 --> 02:01:11,040
» Yeah, I thought that's what I thought
that was included in your statement

1496
02:01:09,599 --> 02:01:15,520
and that's in our folder. That's
resolution 2026-267

1497
02:01:13,360 --> 02:01:19,760
if you want to include that in the
minutes.

1498
02:01:18,239 --> 02:01:23,920
» Did you want to have I mean you got her
two minutes so

1499
02:01:20,719 --> 02:01:28,560
» Oh well I was wait till you got to
actually just thought something about

1500
02:01:26,239 --> 02:01:32,080
her and I just thought I'd let you know
that I was very supportive of you. I was

1501
02:01:30,800 --> 02:01:36,480
very impressed by you at the last
meeting and I don't know what was going

1502
02:01:33,760 --> 02:01:41,199
on but I think she does a great job. She
had so much information. She was very

1503
02:01:38,639 --> 02:01:44,880
knowledgeable. She's on top of the thing
and I was so impressed with her. I just

1504
02:01:43,520 --> 02:01:50,080
wanted to say that. I don't know what's
going on with all this other stuff, but

1505
02:01:46,719 --> 02:01:53,599
um so happy that you're here. I was
actually thinking about helping you out,

1506
02:01:51,520 --> 02:01:57,599
volunteering with you. I hope things go
your way.

1507
02:01:56,159 --> 02:02:03,239
» Thank you very much.
>> Thank you.

1508
02:02:00,000 --> 02:02:03,239
Very nice.

1509
02:02:09,520 --> 02:02:16,119
Okay. So,
>> thank you.

1510
02:02:12,960 --> 02:02:16,119
» Good night.

1511
02:02:21,040 --> 02:02:25,920
» What about item 7D? Are we going to go
back to that before executive session,

1512
02:02:24,400 --> 02:02:32,760
sir?
>> 7D.

1513
02:02:28,239 --> 02:02:32,760
» Yes. However, give me one second.

1514
02:02:33,599 --> 02:02:41,440
Uh let's see. So for agenda items 7D,
discuss or take possible action on

1515
02:02:39,040 --> 02:02:45,599
amending ordinance number 2025262 to
provide for livestock regulations within

1516
02:02:43,040 --> 02:02:49,199
the city limits. Uh I'm recommending the
discussion regarding the livestock

1517
02:02:46,800 --> 02:02:52,960
regulations be held in executive session
under consult under cons consultation

1518
02:02:51,679 --> 02:02:57,080
with the attorney government code
section 551.071 071

1519
02:02:58,000 --> 02:03:03,280
and in conjunction with
>> Can you say that section number again

1520
02:03:02,400 --> 02:03:06,599
please sir?
>> Yes. 551.071.

1521
02:03:07,280 --> 02:03:15,440
» Thank you.
I would also then say for agenda item 8A

1522
02:03:12,960 --> 02:03:20,320
and 8B
uh that we go to executive session to

1523
02:03:18,239 --> 02:03:25,040
deliberate the hiring of a public works
employee related matters pursuant to

1524
02:03:22,560 --> 02:03:31,280
Texas open meetings act chapter 551
general code section 75174

1525
02:03:27,840 --> 02:03:35,360
personnel matters and uh 9B executive
session delivery on the agreements of

1526
02:03:32,880 --> 02:03:39,119
Ashley Cunningham patrol officer
contesting disciplinary action imposing

1527
02:03:37,199 --> 02:03:44,159
demotion reduction based compensation
related matter to pursuant to Texas

1528
02:03:41,440 --> 02:03:48,119
meetings act chapter 551 of the Texas
government code section 551

1529
02:03:49,280 --> 02:03:55,239
834 we are in executive session All
right.

1530
02:04:21,199 --> 02:04:24,599
Thank you much.

1531
02:04:29,040 --> 02:04:38,080
All right, the time is now 9:06.
We are in session.

1532
02:04:35,840 --> 02:04:42,560
Okay, so
for let's move on to agenda item 7D.

1533
02:04:40,960 --> 02:04:47,040
discuss and or take possible action on
amending ordinance 2025262

1534
02:04:45,360 --> 02:04:50,679
to provide for livestock regulations
within the city limits.

1535
02:04:53,440 --> 02:04:59,119
» Yeah, I just want I'll make the motion
on that one and I would just move to

1536
02:04:56,800 --> 02:05:04,040
authorize the city attorney to make the
necessary amendments to ordinance number

1537
02:05:01,040 --> 02:05:04,040
20252-262

1538
02:05:04,320 --> 02:05:11,119
to ensure that it's in compliance with
the new Texas law.

1539
02:05:09,360 --> 02:05:15,920
All
right. I got a motion by the mayor prom

1540
02:05:13,040 --> 02:05:21,520
and second by alderman to authorize the
city attorney to uh amend ordinance

1541
02:05:18,719 --> 02:05:27,440
number 2025262 to make it in alignment
with Texas law regulations. There any

1542
02:05:24,800 --> 02:05:29,199
questions on this? If not, all those in
favor say I.

1543
02:05:28,480 --> 02:05:31,920
» I.
>> I.

1544
02:05:29,679 --> 02:05:36,800
» All right. That motion carries. All
right. Uh moving on to agenda item 8A.

1545
02:05:35,119 --> 02:05:42,639
discussion on a possible take action on
hiring a public works employee. I think

1546
02:05:40,000 --> 02:05:46,119
» no action at this time, sir.
>> No. No.

1547
02:05:48,639 --> 02:05:56,480
Okay. And moving on to agenda item 8B.
Discuss or take possible actions on the

1548
02:05:54,080 --> 02:06:00,239
agreements of action and animal control
officer contesting disciplinary actions

1549
02:05:58,239 --> 02:06:04,639
including promotion and reduction based
compensation. Um, Miss Cunningham, I do

1550
02:06:03,440 --> 02:06:08,239
want to give you the floor to give you
an opportunity to present yourself. I

1551
02:06:06,159 --> 02:06:12,239
know information that we have back
there. Actually, I want to go grab it so

1552
02:06:09,920 --> 02:06:15,800
I can
take a few moments.

1553
02:06:40,000 --> 02:06:50,119
So, thank you for
bringing this back up and um hearing

1554
02:06:45,360 --> 02:06:50,119
what I have to say. Um

1555
02:06:50,239 --> 02:07:00,880
and the dog in question was
picked up and disposed of. Um, it was

1556
02:06:59,520 --> 02:07:05,440
placed into the back of the animal
control vehicle and we quickly

1557
02:07:03,679 --> 02:07:12,800
determined that it could not be placed
inside of the plastic bag and most of

1558
02:07:08,239 --> 02:07:21,199
the normal paint. Um, and there was no
ordinance in place for us to go off of

1559
02:07:17,040 --> 02:07:28,480
on what to do in that situation. Um
the law does state that you can bury an

1560
02:07:24,639 --> 02:07:33,440
animal in the park as a employee of the
city. Um

1561
02:07:31,040 --> 02:07:38,480
so with the help of public works at that
time we

1562
02:07:36,239 --> 02:07:44,480
all came up with a consensus idea. It
was not just my idea and we decided that

1563
02:07:41,679 --> 02:07:51,360
the best course of action would be to
pick it up and remove it because it was

1564
02:07:47,119 --> 02:07:58,239
the end of the day. Um there was no way
of getting a hold of the prematurility.

1565
02:07:54,719 --> 02:08:05,199
Uh public works was at the end of their
shift and we were at the end of ours. So

1566
02:08:00,880 --> 02:08:12,960
we decided to both of it properly. Um
that was machinery. We buried it at the

1567
02:08:08,880 --> 02:08:19,760
appropriate depth. Um,
as far as um,

1568
02:08:16,239 --> 02:08:25,199
knowing that this was inappropriate, I
like I said, there was no ordinance

1569
02:08:21,360 --> 02:08:28,719
stating otherwise. So, I was unaware
um, that I would even get in trouble for

1570
02:08:27,360 --> 02:08:33,560
for doing this. I was just trying to do
my job.

1571
02:08:30,560 --> 02:08:33,560
Um,

1572
02:08:33,599 --> 02:08:44,760
it was sort of embarrassing to get in
trouble for this. uh just because I was

1573
02:08:39,119 --> 02:08:44,760
distracted and do my job. Um

1574
02:08:45,280 --> 02:08:52,320
as far as the medication goes, I did
have the oversight of the vet um that we

1575
02:08:50,239 --> 02:08:59,360
use for the city and I also had the
oversight of clinic which I purchased

1576
02:08:55,520 --> 02:09:03,280
the medication. Um, I informed them when
we bought the medication what it was

1577
02:09:01,679 --> 02:09:09,599
for, what it was going to be used for,
and it did sub get used for that

1578
02:09:06,239 --> 02:09:16,320
purpose. Um, it was sent to dogs in our
facility as um

1579
02:09:13,360 --> 02:09:21,599
as approved by the veterinarian that
worked at the clinic veterinarian. Um,

1580
02:09:19,360 --> 02:09:27,440
we do have donated medications that are
in the same class as the medication I

1581
02:09:24,480 --> 02:09:34,239
was purchased and that medication is
dispensed on a daily basis to new dogs

1582
02:09:30,719 --> 02:09:39,280
coming into our facility. Um,
with no script or anything like that.

1583
02:09:36,719 --> 02:09:45,760
It's donated to us. So, we give it out
as we receive. Um,

1584
02:09:42,639 --> 02:09:52,159
I'm not ordering medication. I'm not
coming up with a missionary plan. Um

1585
02:09:49,760 --> 02:09:58,599
there's no
med I'm not a veterinarian. Um so

1586
02:09:55,280 --> 02:09:58,599
there's no

1587
02:09:59,360 --> 02:10:06,000
uh it's like a
I'm not I'm not making a veterinary

1588
02:10:03,760 --> 02:10:11,480
decision on these dogs giving them
preventative medication.

1589
02:10:08,480 --> 02:10:11,480
Um

1590
02:10:11,679 --> 02:10:22,000
I didn't break the law. Um, and that was
a big thing that the product that I

1591
02:10:17,760 --> 02:10:30,320
wrote the law. Um, I was not personally
burying the the dog in the park um as a

1592
02:10:27,199 --> 02:10:36,199
private citizen
working as an employee.

1593
02:10:33,199 --> 02:10:36,199
Um,

1594
02:10:47,440 --> 02:10:56,079
I brought in the
certification

1595
02:10:52,079 --> 02:11:07,880
because I was supposed to get a yearly
evaluation. Um, and I was I was passed

1596
02:11:01,679 --> 02:11:07,880
up for that uh last year due to the

1597
02:11:08,239 --> 02:11:17,520
chief police not doing that for me. Um,
and I feel like I was passed over again

1598
02:11:13,520 --> 02:11:24,800
this year. Uh, when I brought it back up
last year, uh, no action was taken. So,

1599
02:11:21,040 --> 02:11:30,079
I would I would appreciate
this and I I appreciate y'all taking me

1600
02:11:28,000 --> 02:11:36,840
into the
into the session um

1601
02:11:33,280 --> 02:11:36,840
to at least consider

1602
02:11:39,679 --> 02:11:47,440
what what happened that day, why it was
done. Uh the skin of the dog was falling

1603
02:11:44,960 --> 02:11:53,760
off of the dogs as we picked it up and
put it in there. We had a bucket fall

1604
02:11:49,920 --> 02:11:59,360
onto the dog and all of its skin came.
So, it was,

1605
02:11:55,920 --> 02:12:05,199
as you can see in these pictures, um, it
was very much decayed. Very, very,

1606
02:12:03,840 --> 02:12:09,119
it's not something that we would
normally normally pick up, but it was

1607
02:12:07,199 --> 02:12:12,880
thrown into the rice and the owner
refused to pick it up. We asked him to

1608
02:12:11,360 --> 02:12:17,840
pick it up. He said, "I'm not doing
that." I asked the officer at the time,

1609
02:12:14,960 --> 02:12:22,079
"Can we make him pick this dog up?" She
said there's nothing that we can we

1610
02:12:19,119 --> 02:12:28,639
can't force it to pick it up. So time
again decision was made can't leave it

1611
02:12:25,040 --> 02:12:37,000
in the right way but we picked it up
but it wasn't just me by myself was this

1612
02:12:31,679 --> 02:12:37,000
all as a group of city

1613
02:12:38,880 --> 02:12:43,079
there was just me by myself

1614
02:12:43,440 --> 02:12:52,159
» thank you thank you Ashley and I and I
do before I do want to say right

1615
02:12:49,920 --> 02:12:55,440
everything that you've told us today and
everything that you've done for the

1616
02:12:53,280 --> 02:13:01,040
city, there's not one of us that doesn't
respect you. Uh we understand what you

1617
02:12:58,719 --> 02:13:04,400
have done for city of San Die for animal
control and for the for the animals the

1618
02:13:02,800 --> 02:13:10,560
countless animals that have come through
these doors.

1619
02:13:07,280 --> 02:13:14,320
And we, you know, will San be a a place
where we don't have straight or I doubt

1620
02:13:12,960 --> 02:13:19,360
it. So that means you're always going to
have a job, right? there's always going

1621
02:13:16,239 --> 02:13:24,719
to be a need for them.
With that being said, right, I again I

1622
02:13:21,599 --> 02:13:30,320
just got to stress to you how much this
council appreciates what you do day in

1623
02:13:27,760 --> 02:13:34,480
and day out.
No matter whatever whatever happened, no

1624
02:13:32,000 --> 02:13:43,440
matter the outcome, I just got to
understand that we we we want you here.

1625
02:13:40,239 --> 02:13:52,159
We want you to stay here. probably want
you here for the rest of your career.

1626
02:13:46,960 --> 02:13:55,840
But I I just you have to stress how much
self, the council, everybody in this

1627
02:13:54,320 --> 02:14:02,000
building appreciates what you have done
and what you're doing for the animals.

1628
02:13:59,760 --> 02:14:06,000
Even the resident that stuck around as
long as she could

1629
02:14:04,159 --> 02:14:10,119
even know
how much she got up for that

1630
02:14:19,440 --> 02:14:25,440
Tim still on board with us?
>> Yeah. Yes, sir. I'm on there. Just

1631
02:14:24,079 --> 02:14:33,440
wanted to make sure that council members
didn't have anything else to say. Um, so

1632
02:14:29,119 --> 02:14:38,000
thank you, uh, Officer Cunningham. We we
have evaluated the facts of the

1633
02:14:35,840 --> 02:14:42,560
situation. We reviewed the information
you provided in your grievance and we

1634
02:14:40,159 --> 02:14:47,520
have discussed it in executive session.
Based on those evaluations,

1635
02:14:45,119 --> 02:14:51,840
uh, we are going to deny your grievance
and our disciplinary action decision

1636
02:14:49,520 --> 02:14:56,679
imposed at a previous meeting will stand
as uh, stated.

1637
02:15:05,840 --> 02:15:13,920
Is that a motion? Was that a motion?
>> Yeah, if there needs to be a motion.

1638
02:15:10,800 --> 02:15:22,040
Yeah, I move that statement be entered
into the official record, sir.

1639
02:15:17,280 --> 02:15:22,040
» So, I do have a motion.

1640
02:15:23,040 --> 02:15:33,360
I do have a motion by the mayor Pim
to to deny the agreements at this time.

1641
02:15:30,560 --> 02:15:40,159
Do we have a second?
>> Second by Alderman Walker.

1642
02:15:36,000 --> 02:15:45,920
Walker. Are there any other questions?
>> Um, so what was the basis of me getting

1643
02:15:43,760 --> 02:15:50,400
in trouble?
the basis that of you getting

1644
02:15:47,760 --> 02:15:55,280
» is it because because the last time
y'all said that I broke the law but it

1645
02:15:53,360 --> 02:15:58,000
clearly states in the law that I didn't
break the law.

1646
02:15:56,400 --> 02:16:04,880
» Well, I've review I've reviewed the
items that you provided and it is it is

1647
02:16:01,840 --> 02:16:11,599
in our opinion that they don't suffice
to say you did break them. Uh, and you

1648
02:16:08,880 --> 02:16:16,159
mentioned the burial of a animal on a
right of her.

1649
02:16:13,840 --> 02:16:21,400
That's by somebody doing roadway
maintenance,

1650
02:16:17,679 --> 02:16:21,400
» but it states city.

1651
02:16:22,079 --> 02:16:27,320
» The one that you sent
>> it states right here.

1652
02:16:36,000 --> 02:16:41,840
Notwithstanding any other provision of
this chapter, counties and

1653
02:16:39,439 --> 02:16:45,519
municipalities may dispose of carcasses
of animals killed on county or municipal

1654
02:16:43,760 --> 02:16:49,840
roadways by burying carcasses on
property owned by the entity that is

1655
02:16:47,280 --> 02:16:53,760
responsible for roadway roadway
maintenance of carcass roadway.

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02:16:51,599 --> 02:16:58,559
» But it's it's who is responsible for
roadway maintenance, which means the

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city who who is the the group that is
responsible for the maintenance of the

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roads, which would be us
>> and public works. That's why public

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works. We don't mix our roads, right? I
mean, I know I'm splitting hairs there,

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right? But it's it doesn't apply. It's
not the same thing.

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So, as I as mentioned, I do have a
motion that a second by Alderwoman

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Walker. All those in favor say I. I. I.
>> I. I.

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She carries. Move

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to
now 919 and