1
00:00:11,319 --> 00:00:12,419
And you do the
roll call, please.

2
00:00:12,419 --> 00:00:16,498
Madam Clerk Thank
you, Madam Chair.

3
00:00:16,498 --> 00:00:17,615
Good evening, Madam Chair.

4
00:00:17,615 --> 00:00:20,338
Vice chair and members
of the Board of Appeals.

5
00:00:20,338 --> 00:00:23,578
Today is August the 5th 2026.

6
00:00:23,578 --> 00:00:26,488
Please confirm your attendance
as I call your name.

7
00:00:26,488 --> 00:00:29,578
Madam Chair, Cherie Allen,
Present Vice Chair Justice

8
00:00:29,578 --> 00:00:32,158
Sparano Present board
member Jay Zimbardo

9
00:00:32,158 --> 00:00:35,788
Well, your board member, Jeff
howe present board member.

10
00:00:35,788 --> 00:00:37,864
Nathan grantham
here, Board member.

11
00:00:37,864 --> 00:00:39,958
Susan Major here, Member.

12
00:00:39,958 --> 00:00:43,048
Kim gay, your attendance
have been confirmed.

13
00:00:43,048 --> 00:00:46,198
And will be included in the
official meeting minutes.

14
00:00:46,198 --> 00:00:48,958
I will read the
announcements regarding

15
00:00:48,958 --> 00:00:53,518
the decorum and procedures
of the Board of Appeals.

16
00:00:53,518 --> 00:00:56,338
The Board of Appeals duty
is to review and decide

17
00:00:56,338 --> 00:00:59,638
on appeals of the directors
administrative decision

18
00:00:59,638 --> 00:01:02,638
on interpretation of
the development code

19
00:01:02,638 --> 00:01:05,578
appeals regarding
approval or denial

20
00:01:05,578 --> 00:01:09,268
of a preliminary or final
plat without any dedication

21
00:01:09,268 --> 00:01:12,538
and variances from the
standards of the development

22
00:01:12,538 --> 00:01:16,438
code The petition will be heard
in the sequence listed on the

23
00:01:16,438 --> 00:01:20,638
posted agenda following are
some of the rules and procedures

24
00:01:20,638 --> 00:01:22,348
for this part of the meeting.

25
00:01:22,348 --> 00:01:24,118
The applicant and
all those speaking

26
00:01:24,118 --> 00:01:26,158
in support of the
application will

27
00:01:26,158 --> 00:01:29,698
be allowed a total of ten
minutes to present the petition.

28
00:01:29,698 --> 00:01:32,308
The applicant may choose
to say some of the time

29
00:01:32,308 --> 00:01:36,418
for rebuttal following the
presentation by the Opposition.

30
00:01:36,418 --> 00:01:39,838
The opposing will be allowed a
total of ten minutes to present.

31
00:01:39,838 --> 00:01:45,448
Is positioned since the burden
of proof is upon the applicant.

32
00:01:45,448 --> 00:01:47,728
The applicant will
be allowed to make

33
00:01:47,728 --> 00:01:50,098
closing remarks
provided time remain

34
00:01:50,098 --> 00:01:52,468
from the original audit time.

35
00:01:52,468 --> 00:01:55,648
Staff will keep track of
the time for both sides

36
00:01:55,648 --> 00:01:58,108
Those called to speak
will be taken in the order

37
00:01:58,108 --> 00:02:00,358
that the public comment
cards were received

38
00:02:00,358 --> 00:02:03,538
by the planning and zoning
clerk prior to the beginning

39
00:02:03,538 --> 00:02:05,098
of tonight's meeting.

40
00:02:05,098 --> 00:02:09,378
All speakers will identify
themselves by name address.

41
00:02:09,378 --> 00:02:12,268
And if applicable,
organization before beginning

42
00:02:12,268 --> 00:02:13,648
their presentation.

43
00:02:13,648 --> 00:02:15,958
Demonstrate motion of any
sort within the chamber

44
00:02:15,958 --> 00:02:19,378
is prohibited, so please
refrain from any applause.

45
00:02:19,378 --> 00:02:22,438
Cheering booing,
outburst or dialogue

46
00:02:22,438 --> 00:02:25,618
when the person is speaking
Please show the same respect

47
00:02:25,618 --> 00:02:27,838
to the person speaking
that you were willing

48
00:02:27,838 --> 00:02:30,418
expect to receive
the applicant shall

49
00:02:30,418 --> 00:02:33,118
not submit materials
to the Board of Appeals

50
00:02:33,118 --> 00:02:34,618
during the meeting.

51
00:02:34,618 --> 00:02:37,498
All materials should be
submitted to the community

52
00:02:37,498 --> 00:02:40,528
development Department
at least 21 days prior

53
00:02:40,528 --> 00:02:42,838
to the scheduled
meeting for inclusion

54
00:02:42,838 --> 00:02:46,108
in the normal distribution
of packaging to the board

55
00:02:46,108 --> 00:02:48,778
Thank you, Chair.

56
00:02:48,778 --> 00:02:49,332
Thank you.

57
00:02:49,332 --> 00:02:53,158
Before we take a motion
for approval of the agenda,

58
00:02:53,158 --> 00:02:56,488
I'm been told that the agenda
has been amended with regard

59
00:02:56,488 --> 00:02:58,268
to the cases Yes.

60
00:02:58,268 --> 00:02:58,768
Correct.

61
00:02:58,768 --> 00:03:04,768
Yes, ma'am And what
case has been removed ?

62
00:03:04,768 --> 00:03:08,833
The case is going to be moved to
the September Board of Appeals,

63
00:03:08,833 --> 00:03:15,478
meaning is to be 21 for a
dash for 140 805 Jet Road.

64
00:03:15,478 --> 00:03:20,638
This is a request for a variance
from section 7.8.2 for to allow

65
00:03:20,638 --> 00:03:25,018
resident to assist restructure
in the 60 foot primary setback

66
00:03:25,018 --> 00:03:28,378
This is on administrative hold
and moved to the September

67
00:03:28,378 --> 00:03:32,458
board of Appeals meeting.

68
00:03:32,458 --> 00:03:39,118
And is the 46B 26 Nine
moving forward as well ?

69
00:03:39,118 --> 00:03:40,108
That's going to be.

70
00:03:40,108 --> 00:03:40,828
Well, hold on.

71
00:03:40,828 --> 00:03:43,168
I'll go to speak with you.

72
00:03:43,168 --> 00:03:44,878
Is that the Mount Perrin Road?

73
00:03:44,878 --> 00:03:45,718
Yes.

74
00:03:45,718 --> 00:03:50,038
So i just had a conversation
with the applicant

75
00:03:50,038 --> 00:03:54,538
about an hour ago, and they
had additional information

76
00:03:54,538 --> 00:03:59,698
that I believe was pertinent
to their application.

77
00:03:59,698 --> 00:04:03,508
So they wanted to present it
at the meeting tonight, which

78
00:04:03,508 --> 00:04:08,218
I told them was not appropriate
So we agreed that we would put

79
00:04:08,218 --> 00:04:11,578
it on administrative hold so
that staff can have the time

80
00:04:11,578 --> 00:04:14,668
to review the
material and perhaps

81
00:04:14,668 --> 00:04:19,078
as a result of that review,
amend their staff report.

82
00:04:19,078 --> 00:04:19,963
Thank you.

83
00:04:19,963 --> 00:04:20,553
OK.

84
00:04:20,553 --> 00:04:26,728
So number, case number A has
been removed from our agenda

85
00:04:26,728 --> 00:04:29,068
in case number C, so
can i get a motion

86
00:04:29,068 --> 00:04:31,828
to approve the amended
agenda for tonight

87
00:04:31,828 --> 00:04:34,768
and make a motion to approve the
amended agenda for this evening?

88
00:04:34,768 --> 00:04:35,518
Is there a second?

89
00:04:35,518 --> 00:04:36,298
Second.

90
00:04:36,298 --> 00:04:37,808
All those in favor say aye.

91
00:04:37,808 --> 00:04:38,308
Aye.

92
00:04:38,308 --> 00:04:39,233
I chair votes.

93
00:04:39,233 --> 00:04:42,838
I It's unanimous Approval
of the meeting minutes.

94
00:04:42,838 --> 00:04:44,668
Are there any changes
to the approval?

95
00:04:44,668 --> 00:04:48,408
The meeting minutes
from June 3rd, 2026.

96
00:04:48,408 --> 00:04:49,648
Hearing none.

97
00:04:49,648 --> 00:04:52,688
Can I get a motion for approval
of the June 3, 2026, Board

98
00:04:52,688 --> 00:04:53,848
of appeals Meeting Minutes.

99
00:04:53,848 --> 00:04:58,078
Motion Is there
a Second Circuit?

100
00:04:58,078 --> 00:05:01,018
All those in favor say
I. I chair both sides.

101
00:05:01,018 --> 00:05:02,578
Unanimous Excuse me.

102
00:05:02,578 --> 00:05:08,279
Chair, can we confirmed who
seconded jason Bond Mr. Bond.

103
00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:08,909
Thank you.

104
00:05:08,909 --> 00:05:11,128
Yes, we had a couple of hands.

105
00:05:11,128 --> 00:05:14,163
Go up OK.

106
00:05:14,163 --> 00:05:17,290
All right That it's
unanimously been approved.

107
00:05:17,290 --> 00:05:17,962
OK.

108
00:05:17,962 --> 00:05:23,308
So can we get the presentation
of the first case clerk ?

109
00:05:23,308 --> 00:05:26,848
Madam Clerk Thank
you, Madam Chair.

110
00:05:26,848 --> 00:05:33,118
So we're going to go move on to
section B of the agenda which is

111
00:05:33,118 --> 00:05:46,138
going to be 2026-0010AV-26-33
5520 Elden Drive a request

112
00:05:46,138 --> 00:05:51,028
for a stream buffer variance
from the Vision 9.2 to allow

113
00:05:51,028 --> 00:05:56,008
for a porch in the 75 foot
impervious surface setback

114
00:05:56,008 --> 00:05:59,818
and a deck in the 50 foot
undisturbed vegetative

115
00:05:59,818 --> 00:06:04,558
buffer presented by liquid
a Williams Thank you,

116
00:06:04,558 --> 00:06:07,258
Sam Good evening.

117
00:06:07,258 --> 00:06:10,738
Board of Appeals members
and members of the public.

118
00:06:10,738 --> 00:06:14,068
Welcome to the August
5th 2026 Board of Appeals

119
00:06:14,068 --> 00:06:16,318
Public Hearing the case.

120
00:06:16,318 --> 00:06:21,688
We have before
you is V26 33 520.

121
00:06:21,688 --> 00:06:24,266
I didn't drive
That's recommendation

122
00:06:24,266 --> 00:06:30,298
is approval with
conditions the applicants

123
00:06:30,298 --> 00:06:34,138
are requesting a variance
from division 9.2

124
00:06:34,138 --> 00:06:35,638
to allow for a deck.

125
00:06:35,638 --> 00:06:41,068
Port Muhammadu tions into the 75
foot impervious surface setback

126
00:06:41,068 --> 00:06:47,458
and the 50 foot undisturbed
vegetative buffer The character

127
00:06:47,458 --> 00:06:51,838
area of the holiday parcel
is protect the neighborhood

128
00:06:51,838 --> 00:06:57,208
and the zoning is are the for
18,000 square foot minimum lot

129
00:06:57,208 --> 00:07:05,158
size here on the area image, you
can see the standard save light

130
00:07:05,158 --> 00:07:13,888
on didn't drive here is the
survey showing the creek

131
00:07:13,888 --> 00:07:25,828
in the rear and the single
family home right the 0.56 acre

132
00:07:25,828 --> 00:07:30,148
property is already 18 and is
located within the Cardinal

133
00:07:30,148 --> 00:07:34,798
Estates and High Point civic
neighborhood According to Fulton

134
00:07:34,798 --> 00:07:38,308
County records, the
home was built in 1985,

135
00:07:38,308 --> 00:07:42,658
and the current homeowner
acquired the property in 2013.

136
00:07:42,658 --> 00:07:46,648
The existing Two story residence
includes an attached two car

137
00:07:46,648 --> 00:07:52,678
garage and an elevated dick The
scream traverses the property

138
00:07:52,678 --> 00:07:56,758
from west to east place in the
majority of the parcel including

139
00:07:56,758 --> 00:07:59,638
the existing residence
within the required stream

140
00:07:59,638 --> 00:08:04,261
buffers Additionally the
property lies within the Nancy

141
00:08:04,261 --> 00:08:07,164
Creek declared
sensitive area and is

142
00:08:07,164 --> 00:08:10,648
limited by a steep topography.

143
00:08:10,648 --> 00:08:15,508
The site slopes downward from
in drive toward the residence

144
00:08:15,508 --> 00:08:18,658
and continues
descending to the creek

145
00:08:18,658 --> 00:08:30,898
and then rises again
south of the creek

146
00:08:30,898 --> 00:08:34,288
Here are some images of
the existing conditions

147
00:08:34,288 --> 00:08:38,638
of the property To the left is
the further home with the porch

148
00:08:38,638 --> 00:08:42,958
and stairs in the middle
are images of the creek

149
00:08:42,958 --> 00:08:45,268
in the rear wood deck.

150
00:08:45,268 --> 00:08:48,478
To the right is another image
of the porch and stairs.

151
00:08:48,478 --> 00:08:58,738
Look east from the driveway This
image shows the parcel outlined

152
00:08:58,738 --> 00:09:03,310
in black with a creek
and buffers in blue,

153
00:09:03,310 --> 00:09:06,418
the entire image is
in red, indicating

154
00:09:06,418 --> 00:09:14,488
that it is within the Nancy
Creek declared sensitive area

155
00:09:14,488 --> 00:09:16,078
and the front of the home.

156
00:09:16,078 --> 00:09:21,838
The proposal includes an
approximately 146 square foot

157
00:09:21,838 --> 00:09:27,058
front addition and a 54 square
foot front porch Partially,

158
00:09:27,058 --> 00:09:33,328
partially utilizing the existing
homes footprint approximately

159
00:09:33,328 --> 00:09:37,228
38ft² of the proposed
improvements will be located

160
00:09:37,228 --> 00:09:39,298
within the same
five foot impervious

161
00:09:39,298 --> 00:09:43,258
surface setback towards
the rear of the home

162
00:09:43,258 --> 00:09:45,778
near the 50 foot buffer.

163
00:09:45,778 --> 00:09:49,758
The applicants are proposing
to demolish the existing 449

164
00:09:49,758 --> 00:09:55,408
square foot road deck and
a 280 square foot porches

165
00:09:55,408 --> 00:09:58,468
steps The proposal
includes constructing

166
00:09:58,468 --> 00:10:03,538
a larger rear deck and a 610
square foot rear addition

167
00:10:03,538 --> 00:10:04,888
to the home.

168
00:10:04,888 --> 00:10:07,288
Together, these
improvements would increase

169
00:10:07,288 --> 00:10:10,768
the existing coachmen in
the buffer by approximately

170
00:10:10,768 --> 00:10:15,298
180ft² per section.

171
00:10:15,298 --> 00:10:21,028
9.2.38 of the developing a code
land development requirements.

172
00:10:21,028 --> 00:10:24,628
All land development activity
subject to this dividend must

173
00:10:24,628 --> 00:10:29,548
meet the following requirements
and understood A natural

174
00:10:29,548 --> 00:10:32,885
legislative buffer is to
maintain for 50ft measure

175
00:10:32,885 --> 00:10:36,718
a horizontal sleeve on all banks
of the state waters as measured

176
00:10:36,718 --> 00:10:47,818
from the points of vegetation
section 9.2.3.8.1 all and part

177
00:10:47,818 --> 00:10:49,948
of the surfaces are
prohibited from an additional

178
00:10:49,948 --> 00:10:55,318
setback of 25ft Next slide.

179
00:10:55,318 --> 00:10:56,158
Thank you.

180
00:10:56,158 --> 00:11:01,588
Here is the proposed development
The blue represents the proposed

181
00:11:01,588 --> 00:11:09,298
deck and the green represents
the proposed home additions

182
00:11:09,298 --> 00:11:13,798
to the top left is a snippet
of the rear elevations

183
00:11:13,798 --> 00:11:14,408
of next level.

184
00:11:14,408 --> 00:11:15,118
Sorry.

185
00:11:15,118 --> 00:11:15,618
Thank you.

186
00:11:15,618 --> 00:11:16,318
Thank you.

187
00:11:16,318 --> 00:11:19,738
So the top left is a snippet
of the rear elevation

188
00:11:19,738 --> 00:11:29,073
and to the bottom right of the
slide is the front elevation

189
00:11:29,073 --> 00:11:34,993
stable is that the property is
uniquely limited by My creek,

190
00:11:34,993 --> 00:11:38,698
requiring which is our which
requires screen buffers,

191
00:11:38,698 --> 00:11:44,368
has a significant topography and
is located in the sensitive area

192
00:11:44,368 --> 00:11:47,548
These conditions limited to
a reasonable opportunities

193
00:11:47,548 --> 00:11:50,398
for expansion on the property,

194
00:11:50,398 --> 00:11:53,218
establishes approval of
the requested variance

195
00:11:53,218 --> 00:11:56,818
remains protective of the
surrounding natural resources

196
00:11:56,818 --> 00:12:00,238
because the proposal minimizes
additional disturbance

197
00:12:00,238 --> 00:12:03,748
within the regulated stream
Buffers maintains the existing

198
00:12:03,748 --> 00:12:06,688
screened corridor and
concentrates improvements

199
00:12:06,688 --> 00:12:13,258
adjacent to the
existing residence Staff

200
00:12:13,258 --> 00:12:17,848
recommends approval with
conditions of two 633

201
00:12:17,848 --> 00:12:21,778
to allow a new deck porch
and home addition to encroach

202
00:12:21,778 --> 00:12:25,078
into this 35 foot setback
and a 50 foot screen

203
00:12:25,078 --> 00:12:28,558
buffer with the
following condition

204
00:12:28,558 --> 00:12:30,868
that the construction
can be substantially

205
00:12:30,868 --> 00:12:34,528
similar to the provided
site plan Thank you.

206
00:12:34,528 --> 00:12:37,258
Thank you Is is there
anyone here to speak

207
00:12:37,258 --> 00:12:38,518
on behalf of the applicant?

208
00:12:38,518 --> 00:12:39,988
Sir would you
approach the podium?

209
00:12:39,988 --> 00:12:44,068
State your name and address
for the record Good evening.

210
00:12:44,068 --> 00:12:45,748
I'm Peter McMaster
Jr with three homes.

211
00:12:45,748 --> 00:12:48,748
I'm the builder and
my address is 760 old.

212
00:12:48,748 --> 00:12:52,018
I've road northeast
Atlanta, Georgia 30342.

213
00:12:52,018 --> 00:12:55,318
Thank you Would you make
your presentation, please?

214
00:12:55,318 --> 00:12:56,758
I have to commend loquitur.

215
00:12:56,758 --> 00:12:58,498
I she nailed it.

216
00:12:58,498 --> 00:12:59,038
She did.

217
00:12:59,038 --> 00:13:00,748
I just did a variance
in the city of Atlanta

218
00:13:00,748 --> 00:13:02,698
and very different experience.

219
00:13:02,698 --> 00:13:06,183
She did a very good job
summarizing the entire project

220
00:13:06,183 --> 00:13:07,708
so I don't have much to add.

221
00:13:07,708 --> 00:13:10,408
I think it's she really
well captured it.

222
00:13:10,408 --> 00:13:12,599
Essentially, it's just a bump
out on the back of the house,

223
00:13:12,599 --> 00:13:14,908
replacing a deck
where it currently

224
00:13:14,908 --> 00:13:17,188
is an expanse The
key point of this

225
00:13:17,188 --> 00:13:19,558
is that this
structure that we're

226
00:13:19,558 --> 00:13:23,908
building off of the back of the
house is elevated on stilts.

227
00:13:23,908 --> 00:13:25,558
So just like you
saw in those images

228
00:13:25,558 --> 00:13:27,538
that she showed you,
the deck is on stilts

229
00:13:27,538 --> 00:13:30,418
because the whole house, you
know, the lot is like this.

230
00:13:30,418 --> 00:13:33,478
The whole new addition will
all continue to be on stilts

231
00:13:33,478 --> 00:13:36,658
So none of this is actually
going to even touch the ground.

232
00:13:36,658 --> 00:13:38,428
The only thing that
touches the ground

233
00:13:38,428 --> 00:13:41,788
are the footers of the stilts
and actually quantity of stilts

234
00:13:41,788 --> 00:13:43,738
is going to reduce
from what's existing

235
00:13:43,738 --> 00:13:45,928
right now with the
deck to the proposed

236
00:13:45,928 --> 00:13:47,519
is actually getting smaller.

237
00:13:47,519 --> 00:13:50,173
I think we go from 9
to 7, because our spans

238
00:13:50,173 --> 00:13:51,358
are longer in the engineering.

239
00:13:51,358 --> 00:13:55,648
So our actual footprint on
the ground in the buffer area

240
00:13:55,648 --> 00:13:57,388
goes down, not up.

241
00:13:57,388 --> 00:14:01,468
So everything remains basically
untouched where it is.

242
00:14:01,468 --> 00:14:04,288
There's no actual structure
or going down to the ground

243
00:14:04,288 --> 00:14:05,428
beyond the posts.

244
00:14:05,428 --> 00:14:07,228
I think that's a key
element that it's

245
00:14:07,228 --> 00:14:10,168
very difficult to capture
in some of these documents.

246
00:14:10,168 --> 00:14:11,698
But otherwise she did
a great job putting

247
00:14:11,698 --> 00:14:12,718
that presentation together.

248
00:14:12,718 --> 00:14:18,287
So I commend we're well done
So you have nothing further.

249
00:14:18,287 --> 00:14:18,789
Now.

250
00:14:18,789 --> 00:14:20,608
OK You can be seated.

251
00:14:20,608 --> 00:14:21,238
Thank you.

252
00:14:21,238 --> 00:14:23,698
Is there anyone here
to speak on behalf

253
00:14:23,698 --> 00:14:31,168
of the applicant Anyone, Anyone
to speak in opposition in?

254
00:14:31,168 --> 00:14:33,538
All right Do you have
anything further?

255
00:14:33,538 --> 00:14:35,938
You have time for rebuttal
but you don't have any really

256
00:14:35,938 --> 00:14:38,191
anything to rebut OK.

257
00:14:38,191 --> 00:14:41,938
So we'll close the public
discussion now and turn

258
00:14:41,938 --> 00:14:47,968
to the board for discussion
Any questions or comments for

259
00:14:47,968 --> 00:14:51,418
either staff or the applicant?

260
00:14:51,418 --> 00:14:53,411
I have a question
for Mr. McMaster.

261
00:14:53,411 --> 00:14:57,178
Come back to the
podium, please And there

262
00:14:57,178 --> 00:15:00,508
are for the arborist Notice
that the decks can extend

263
00:15:00,508 --> 00:15:03,988
beyond the existing
footprint but it sounds

264
00:15:03,988 --> 00:15:05,908
like even though
it's extending, it's

265
00:15:05,908 --> 00:15:07,648
not going to be taking
out any existing

266
00:15:07,648 --> 00:15:09,598
trees or bushes or anything.

267
00:15:09,598 --> 00:15:10,298
Is that correct?

268
00:15:10,298 --> 00:15:10,798
Correct.

269
00:15:10,798 --> 00:15:12,328
No trees are being
touched at all.

270
00:15:12,328 --> 00:15:13,768
We had an initial design.

271
00:15:13,768 --> 00:15:17,068
And we had developers meeting
with the team at the city

272
00:15:17,068 --> 00:15:20,428
and we had an initial plan that
did destroy a couple of trees

273
00:15:20,428 --> 00:15:21,958
for the stormwater retention.

274
00:15:21,958 --> 00:15:24,658
But at their advice, we revised
it with our civil engineer.

275
00:15:24,658 --> 00:15:26,068
So no trees are destroyed.

276
00:15:26,068 --> 00:15:28,468
We're going to put some flow
wells in the ground in an area

277
00:15:28,468 --> 00:15:30,148
that won't disturb the trees.

278
00:15:30,148 --> 00:15:33,418
So literally no trees
are being destroyed.

279
00:15:33,418 --> 00:15:33,958
Thank you.

280
00:15:33,958 --> 00:15:39,478
You're Welcome Can anyone else ?

281
00:15:39,478 --> 00:15:40,468
Nothing further.

282
00:15:40,468 --> 00:15:44,668
You may be seated Thank
you, Ms. Mr. Bardwell.

283
00:15:44,668 --> 00:15:45,478
Sam, I'm just curious.

284
00:15:45,478 --> 00:15:48,350
Can you put the slide up
with the green and blue.

285
00:15:48,350 --> 00:15:50,409
I just got of to see that again.

286
00:15:50,409 --> 00:16:02,938
The green and blue squares
If i don't question,

287
00:16:02,938 --> 00:16:03,988
is wanting to see this again.

288
00:16:03,988 --> 00:16:04,528
Okay.

289
00:16:04,528 --> 00:16:05,608
Any other questions?

290
00:16:05,608 --> 00:16:09,148
If not, can i get a motion?

291
00:16:09,148 --> 00:16:11,672
I make a motion to approve of
the conditions of variance.

292
00:16:11,672 --> 00:16:16,138
V 2633 for the request,
relief and vision 9.2

293
00:16:16,138 --> 00:16:18,418
to allow a new deck
porch home additions

294
00:16:18,418 --> 00:16:21,778
encroach into the 75
foot impervious surface

295
00:16:21,778 --> 00:16:25,138
setback and 50 foot
undisturbed stream

296
00:16:25,138 --> 00:16:26,278
with the following condition.

297
00:16:26,278 --> 00:16:28,108
That is of what the
construction would

298
00:16:28,108 --> 00:16:32,248
be similar to what is designed
to the proposed site plan.

299
00:16:32,248 --> 00:16:33,238
Is there a second?

300
00:16:33,238 --> 00:16:34,858
A second.

301
00:16:34,858 --> 00:16:37,840
I think i think it's
the first, second.

302
00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:41,428
All those in favor say
I. I i, i chair votes.

303
00:16:41,428 --> 00:16:45,088
I it's unanimous
And that concludes

304
00:16:45,088 --> 00:16:48,118
the discussion for
that particular case

305
00:16:48,118 --> 00:16:52,665
Thank you Madam clerk.

306
00:16:52,665 --> 00:16:54,767
Could you call the
next case, please?

307
00:16:54,767 --> 00:16:55,468
Thank you.

308
00:16:55,468 --> 00:16:57,088
You, Madam Chair.

309
00:16:57,088 --> 00:16:58,468
To thousand and 26.

310
00:16:58,468 --> 00:17:05,608
Dash 0012V-2- fourth 3116.

311
00:17:05,608 --> 00:17:11,638
I heard them in road our request
for variance from section 7.8.

312
00:17:11,638 --> 00:17:19,498
24 and Section 2.3.1 to allow
for a split court to encroach

313
00:17:19,498 --> 00:17:22,198
into this fit
backs and to exceed

314
00:17:22,198 --> 00:17:24,508
the maximum light
coverage presented

315
00:17:24,508 --> 00:17:27,358
by Liquido Williams Thank you.

316
00:17:27,358 --> 00:17:48,048
South 150 Are you
ready to proceed?

317
00:17:48,048 --> 00:17:48,848
Ms. Williams Yes.

318
00:17:48,848 --> 00:17:50,164
OK Thank you.

319
00:17:50,164 --> 00:17:51,002
All right.

320
00:17:51,002 --> 00:17:58,438
So the next case, we have is
case V26 43 at 116 Hartman

321
00:17:58,438 --> 00:18:03,628
Road That's recommendation
is denial of the applicants

322
00:18:03,628 --> 00:18:07,798
are requesting a variance
from section 7.8.

323
00:18:07,798 --> 00:18:14,998
24 and sections 2.3.1 to allow
for a sport court to encroach

324
00:18:14,998 --> 00:18:19,258
into the side and rear setbacks
and to exceed the maximum not

325
00:18:19,258 --> 00:18:27,088
coverage The character area
of the highlighted parcel is

326
00:18:27,088 --> 00:18:32,842
the neighborhood and the zoning
is already 18 for 18,000 square

327
00:18:32,842 --> 00:18:39,538
foot minimum lot size here on
the aerial image you can see

328
00:18:39,538 --> 00:18:43,678
the standard shape lot with the
primary residence along with

329
00:18:43,678 --> 00:18:47,878
the pool and the rear and the
sports court in the northwest

330
00:18:47,878 --> 00:18:55,588
corner here is the asphalt where
you can see the home driveway

331
00:18:55,588 --> 00:19:04,978
pool and sports court The
subject property is on RDA 18

332
00:19:04,978 --> 00:19:07,948
and is a little less
than half an acre

333
00:19:07,948 --> 00:19:11,308
The property is developed
with a two story home in

334
00:19:11,308 --> 00:19:13,648
attached to one
car garage swimming

335
00:19:13,648 --> 00:19:18,088
pool and a sports court based
on Fulton county's records.

336
00:19:18,088 --> 00:19:21,388
The property was
platted in 1946,

337
00:19:21,388 --> 00:19:26,518
and the present homeowners
acquired the property in 2016.

338
00:19:26,518 --> 00:19:29,908
The UNpermitted sports
Court was built in 2025,

339
00:19:29,908 --> 00:19:34,258
along with the unpermitted
light and light pole

340
00:19:34,258 --> 00:19:37,678
Although the property does not
have any screen buffers or flood

341
00:19:37,678 --> 00:19:40,108
zones, it is located
within the Nancy

342
00:19:40,108 --> 00:19:42,808
Creek, declared sensitive area,

343
00:19:42,808 --> 00:19:46,438
which will require twice as
much mitigation for stormwater

344
00:19:46,438 --> 00:20:02,668
management Slide to the left
is an image of the property

345
00:20:02,668 --> 00:20:05,308
before the sports
court and to the right

346
00:20:05,308 --> 00:20:13,588
is an image After this part
court was installed To the left

347
00:20:13,588 --> 00:20:16,048
is a picture of the
front of the home

348
00:20:16,048 --> 00:20:18,118
and to the right is a
picture of the sports

349
00:20:18,118 --> 00:20:25,468
court with the light pole
netting and privacy fit

350
00:20:25,468 --> 00:20:28,198
These pictures
visually demonstrate

351
00:20:28,198 --> 00:20:30,958
the distance between
the sports court

352
00:20:30,958 --> 00:20:33,710
and the North in
width property lines.

353
00:20:33,710 --> 00:20:42,718
There are approximately is 4
feet The applicant is proposing

354
00:20:42,718 --> 00:20:46,678
to maintain unpermitted sports
court that encroaches closer

355
00:20:46,678 --> 00:20:50,248
to the north end and Wellston
property lines than what is

356
00:20:50,248 --> 00:20:55,330
permitted The development code
The sport court is 4 feet from

357
00:20:55,330 --> 00:20:58,678
the west and north property
lines and the development code

358
00:20:58,678 --> 00:21:02,458
states their minor residential
accessory structures must be

359
00:21:02,458 --> 00:21:06,748
at least the minimum setback or
ten feet for the property lines,

360
00:21:06,748 --> 00:21:15,148
whichever is less restrictive
The sport court is 766ft²

361
00:21:15,148 --> 00:21:18,118
and there were also caused the
property to exceed the maximum

362
00:21:18,118 --> 00:21:21,178
lot coverage of 35%.

363
00:21:21,178 --> 00:21:24,478
And 2019, the homeowners
received approval

364
00:21:24,478 --> 00:21:28,198
for a pool that allowed the
lot coverage to increase

365
00:21:28,198 --> 00:21:32,008
to 40% due to additional
stormwater mitigation

366
00:21:32,008 --> 00:21:35,368
measures With the
proposed sport court,

367
00:21:35,368 --> 00:21:43,798
the total lot coverage increased
to 44.3% per section, 7.8.

368
00:21:43,798 --> 00:21:48,238
24 of the development code Minor
residential accessory structures

369
00:21:48,238 --> 00:21:52,258
must be a minimum of ten feet
or the required setback from

370
00:21:52,258 --> 00:21:59,458
the property line section 2.3.1
of the development code are lot

371
00:21:59,458 --> 00:22:12,328
parameters like coverage for
residential use is 35% x five

372
00:22:12,328 --> 00:22:17,068
Here is an illustrative image
showing the sport court and read

373
00:22:17,068 --> 00:22:20,398
and the buildable space and
green for a minor residential

374
00:22:20,398 --> 00:22:29,548
accessory structure Staff
consider the approval criteria

375
00:22:29,548 --> 00:22:32,458
for variance and found that
allowing the sport quite

376
00:22:32,458 --> 00:22:34,708
to remain in its
current location

377
00:22:34,708 --> 00:22:39,418
would directly conflict with the
intent of the development code.

378
00:22:39,418 --> 00:22:41,248
The sport court
is located within

379
00:22:41,248 --> 00:22:45,388
to require a setback It also
exceeds both the maximum

380
00:22:45,388 --> 00:22:49,078
impervious coverage, along
with the additional 5%

381
00:22:49,078 --> 00:22:52,648
there may be allowed with
mitigation south signs

382
00:22:52,648 --> 00:22:55,000
that the inability to
keep the permitted sport

383
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,388
court at its current
size and location

384
00:22:57,388 --> 00:23:04,408
is a mere inconvenience rather
than an extraordinary hardship

385
00:23:04,408 --> 00:23:14,378
Next slide, please Staff
recommends denial of two six

386
00:23:14,378 --> 00:23:15,878
DoorDash 43.

387
00:23:15,878 --> 00:23:19,078
I request to allow a
sport court to encroach

388
00:23:19,078 --> 00:23:21,418
into the site and rear
setbacks and to exceed

389
00:23:21,418 --> 00:23:26,368
the maximum coverage if the
board chooses to approve staff

390
00:23:26,368 --> 00:23:30,988
recommends the following
condition One that the evergreen

391
00:23:30,988 --> 00:23:33,958
screening tree or wax
myrtle like shrubs

392
00:23:33,958 --> 00:23:37,198
be install and maintain along
the full length of the sports

393
00:23:37,198 --> 00:23:40,348
court adjacent to the
Western property line

394
00:23:40,348 --> 00:23:43,138
to provide your round
visual screening

395
00:23:43,138 --> 00:23:49,198
and further buffer adjacent
properties to stormwater plan

396
00:23:49,198 --> 00:23:52,999
must be approved by the
city engineer and Three

397
00:23:52,999 --> 00:23:58,948
remove the light and light
pole I also wanted to add

398
00:23:58,948 --> 00:24:01,588
the applicant did submit
Four letters of support

399
00:24:01,588 --> 00:24:04,808
for the sport court
and one letter.

400
00:24:04,808 --> 00:24:06,139
Just came in.

401
00:24:06,139 --> 00:24:14,098
But just now in opposition that
we have not in this lawsuit.

402
00:24:14,098 --> 00:24:18,845
And when you say just
now, just by email Yes.

403
00:24:18,845 --> 00:24:29,630
OK Is there anyone to speak on
behalf of the applicant Please

404
00:24:29,630 --> 00:24:33,838
approach the podium
State your name address,

405
00:24:33,838 --> 00:24:37,438
and if you're not the
property, the residential owner

406
00:24:37,438 --> 00:24:40,358
then your association Please.

407
00:24:40,358 --> 00:24:41,164
Yes.

408
00:24:41,164 --> 00:24:43,024
Good evening, Madam chair.

409
00:24:43,024 --> 00:24:43,738
Members of the board.

410
00:24:43,738 --> 00:24:44,978
My name's Alex brock with Smith.

411
00:24:44,978 --> 00:24:45,478
Campbell.

412
00:24:45,478 --> 00:24:46,318
Russell.

413
00:24:46,318 --> 00:24:48,898
Office Address 1105
West Peachtree Street.

414
00:24:48,898 --> 00:24:53,747
I am the land use attorney here
on behalf of the property owners

415
00:24:53,747 --> 00:24:57,958
Ashe and Reef along
with joining me tonight,

416
00:24:57,958 --> 00:25:03,298
I have asked our boy the
property owner of 116 Hardman

417
00:25:03,298 --> 00:25:06,598
in to give a little bit of
color on why we are here tonight

418
00:25:06,598 --> 00:25:09,088
to request the variances I'd
like to give a background

419
00:25:09,088 --> 00:25:13,348
a little bit of a history
of how we came here tonight

420
00:25:13,348 --> 00:25:17,548
The alley for the LBJ sign has
an endocrine condition which

421
00:25:17,548 --> 00:25:18,688
their doctors recommended.

422
00:25:18,688 --> 00:25:21,538
In addition to their
medical treatments

423
00:25:21,538 --> 00:25:25,498
to have daily exercise to
stimulate pituitary function.

424
00:25:25,498 --> 00:25:31,138
So that alley poised last year,
they decided to install a sports

425
00:25:31,138 --> 00:25:33,328
court basketball
court, which would

426
00:25:33,328 --> 00:25:36,118
allow cardiovascular
exercise in a limited area

427
00:25:36,118 --> 00:25:37,618
on their property.

428
00:25:37,618 --> 00:25:42,148
They reached out to a contractor
to install that sports court

429
00:25:42,148 --> 00:25:47,038
The contractor on fortunately
gave them incorrect information

430
00:25:47,038 --> 00:25:51,328
that a permit was not needed for
a basketball court The sports

431
00:25:51,328 --> 00:25:53,908
court was installed
without a permit

432
00:25:53,908 --> 00:25:59,368
unbeknownst to the homeowners
Fast forward to September,

433
00:25:59,368 --> 00:26:03,688
and this was of late
July August last year

434
00:26:03,688 --> 00:26:05,308
So the sports
court has been used

435
00:26:05,308 --> 00:26:09,658
and functioning for about
a year now Fast forward

436
00:26:09,658 --> 00:26:12,898
to September, October of 2025.

437
00:26:12,898 --> 00:26:16,858
The adjacent neighbor at 106,
Hardman had filed a complaint

438
00:26:16,858 --> 00:26:19,408
with the City of Sandy
Springs about Storm

439
00:26:19,408 --> 00:26:22,798
water runoff, which was
unrelated to the sports court.

440
00:26:22,798 --> 00:26:24,238
This was an existing issue.

441
00:26:24,238 --> 00:26:29,488
There's a swale in between 116
hardman and one of six Hardman

442
00:26:29,488 --> 00:26:32,068
That over the
years has worn down

443
00:26:32,068 --> 00:26:35,188
and storm water flow from
the house, from the gutters

444
00:26:35,188 --> 00:26:41,758
has flowed into his
front yard At that time,

445
00:26:41,758 --> 00:26:45,238
Sandy Springs code enforcement
informed the homeowners

446
00:26:45,238 --> 00:26:48,538
that the sports court was
installed without a permit

447
00:26:48,538 --> 00:26:50,488
and they would have to
go back to get a permit.

448
00:26:50,488 --> 00:26:55,258
So Miss our boy had submitted
the permit in late October

449
00:26:55,258 --> 00:26:58,048
November of last year and
has been working with staffs

450
00:26:58,048 --> 00:27:01,438
since that time to get a
permit for the sports court

451
00:27:01,438 --> 00:27:05,338
in march April of
this year staff

452
00:27:05,338 --> 00:27:08,158
had informed the homeowners
that they would also need

453
00:27:08,158 --> 00:27:11,428
a variance for the setback due
to the location of the sports

454
00:27:11,428 --> 00:27:17,128
court at that time, they engaged
me as a land use attorney

455
00:27:17,128 --> 00:27:18,928
to help them with
the variance process

456
00:27:18,928 --> 00:27:24,478
as it's one of the first
steps that I took when I took

457
00:27:24,478 --> 00:27:28,018
on this matter was to reach out
to the adjacent homeowner that

458
00:27:28,018 --> 00:27:29,878
is closest to the sports
court at one of six,

459
00:27:29,878 --> 00:27:32,188
Hardiman we met with him,

460
00:27:32,188 --> 00:27:35,608
and if You I don't know if
you can bring back up the site

461
00:27:35,608 --> 00:27:42,268
plan with the read text on
it but those were yes then

462
00:27:42,268 --> 00:27:44,848
those were mitigation efforts
that he had to request

463
00:27:44,848 --> 00:27:48,598
And when you can see the
rebuilding of the swale,

464
00:27:48,598 --> 00:27:51,898
again, that's not directing
flows from the sports court,

465
00:27:51,898 --> 00:27:57,148
but is existing condition that
we are willing to correct.

466
00:27:57,148 --> 00:28:01,738
He also requested planting along
the sports court, which we are

467
00:28:01,738 --> 00:28:05,698
agreeable with, which staff is
also recommended condition for

468
00:28:05,698 --> 00:28:08,668
and the installation of netting
along the sports court, which we

469
00:28:08,668 --> 00:28:10,918
are in agreement with as well.

470
00:28:10,918 --> 00:28:13,078
And this is reflected on the
site plan that was submitted

471
00:28:13,078 --> 00:28:18,598
with the application there
are some hardships associated

472
00:28:18,598 --> 00:28:20,278
with the sports court.

473
00:28:20,278 --> 00:28:22,648
He cannot be relocated
on the property

474
00:28:22,648 --> 00:28:27,538
due to the limited space
the property is owned or 18.

475
00:28:27,538 --> 00:28:29,908
However, it is not an
80,000 square foot lot.

476
00:28:29,908 --> 00:28:31,438
It is slightly smaller.

477
00:28:31,438 --> 00:28:34,588
It's closer to 17,500.

478
00:28:34,588 --> 00:28:37,438
With that, there is
some difficulty trying

479
00:28:37,438 --> 00:28:40,438
to relocate on property
as well as mature tree

480
00:28:40,438 --> 00:28:42,508
cover and the backyard.

481
00:28:42,508 --> 00:28:45,208
So we cannot move the
sports court further

482
00:28:45,208 --> 00:28:47,349
to the east to get it out.

483
00:28:47,349 --> 00:28:48,420
Other side yard.

484
00:28:48,420 --> 00:28:53,158
Setback In addition, removing
the sports court would be

485
00:28:53,158 --> 00:28:55,056
would result in
significant disturbance.

486
00:28:55,056 --> 00:28:57,808
We would have to remove
parts of the fence

487
00:28:57,808 --> 00:29:00,328
to get the chunks
of concrete out

488
00:29:00,328 --> 00:29:03,182
There is a foundation
wall for the sports core.

489
00:29:03,182 --> 00:29:07,228
There's topography
issues back there

490
00:29:07,228 --> 00:29:09,835
And I would just like to
note a reiterate again

491
00:29:09,835 --> 00:29:13,228
that this has been in
use for over a year now

492
00:29:13,228 --> 00:29:18,688
without complaint
from the neighbors

493
00:29:18,688 --> 00:29:23,218
The leave the boy son has had
consistent use of the sports

494
00:29:23,218 --> 00:29:24,028
court.

495
00:29:24,028 --> 00:29:27,178
Again without any complaint
from the neighbors,

496
00:29:27,178 --> 00:29:30,208
from noise or impacts.

497
00:29:30,208 --> 00:29:33,478
We do have letters of support,
which we have submitted to staff

498
00:29:33,478 --> 00:29:36,688
and which staff has
indicate they have provided

499
00:29:36,688 --> 00:29:41,248
to you tonight We are also
in addition to the mitigation

500
00:29:41,248 --> 00:29:44,278
measures that we are
proposing on this site plan,

501
00:29:44,278 --> 00:29:47,998
we are in agreement with staff's
recommended mitigation measures

502
00:29:47,998 --> 00:29:52,138
The Alley Boys are all boys have
agreed to remove the light court

503
00:29:52,138 --> 00:29:54,418
or the light pole
at the sports court,

504
00:29:54,418 --> 00:29:58,288
install additional stormwater
pumps as directed by staff

505
00:29:58,288 --> 00:30:01,528
and install evergreen screening,
which is also shown on our site

506
00:30:01,528 --> 00:30:05,668
plan In addition, we
received the staff

507
00:30:05,668 --> 00:30:08,698
report this past Monday when
we read those conditions,

508
00:30:08,698 --> 00:30:12,808
we submit it to additional
conditions to staff to further

509
00:30:12,808 --> 00:30:18,418
mitigate the impacts One
is to offset the impervious

510
00:30:18,418 --> 00:30:22,828
coverage in light
kind to the sports

511
00:30:22,828 --> 00:30:26,068
court is approximately 750ft².

512
00:30:26,068 --> 00:30:30,298
We would offset that elsewhere
on the property with pervious

513
00:30:30,298 --> 00:30:35,428
pavers likely removing concrete
from the front driveway, which

514
00:30:35,428 --> 00:30:39,088
is easier to demo and
remove from the property

515
00:30:39,088 --> 00:30:41,608
and replace those
with pervious pavers.

516
00:30:41,608 --> 00:30:45,718
If the second condition
is to commit to installing

517
00:30:45,718 --> 00:30:49,186
the mitigation measures agreed
to with the neighbor that are

518
00:30:49,186 --> 00:30:53,335
shown on the site plan With
these mitigation measures,

519
00:30:53,335 --> 00:30:55,168
the applicant has gained the
support of the surrounding

520
00:30:55,168 --> 00:30:59,458
neighbors as shown in
the letters of support

521
00:30:59,458 --> 00:31:05,638
that are submitted
with this application

522
00:31:05,638 --> 00:31:09,988
And again, just reiterate
additional time this has been

523
00:31:09,988 --> 00:31:13,288
in use for over a year
One of the most determined

524
00:31:13,288 --> 00:31:14,998
of the factors of
whether or not a variance

525
00:31:14,998 --> 00:31:17,938
has impact on the
community is how

526
00:31:17,938 --> 00:31:19,918
it will affect the neighbors,

527
00:31:19,918 --> 00:31:23,338
the surrounding community Here
we have a unique situation where

528
00:31:23,338 --> 00:31:25,618
the sports court has
been in active use

529
00:31:25,618 --> 00:31:30,885
for over a year without
complaint from the neighbors

530
00:31:30,885 --> 00:31:33,665
There have been no
complaints of noise,

531
00:31:33,665 --> 00:31:37,288
light pollution or other
factors from these surrounding

532
00:31:37,288 --> 00:31:38,518
neighbors.

533
00:31:38,518 --> 00:31:41,308
So we respectfully request
that you support this variance

534
00:31:41,308 --> 00:31:43,288
and approve this variance.

535
00:31:43,288 --> 00:31:46,708
Alternatively if there are
questions or if there's other

536
00:31:46,708 --> 00:31:49,528
mitigating factors that we
can include in our plan,

537
00:31:49,528 --> 00:31:53,518
we are more than willing to
work with staff to include those

538
00:31:53,518 --> 00:31:55,078
and we would accept a deferral.

539
00:31:55,078 --> 00:31:58,948
So we could come back with those
included in our application

540
00:31:58,948 --> 00:32:04,018
and site plan But again, we feel
that we have worked diligently

541
00:32:04,018 --> 00:32:06,598
with the community
and with staff

542
00:32:06,598 --> 00:32:09,688
to allow the Sports Court
to remain So with that,

543
00:32:09,688 --> 00:32:13,148
I will reserve any
remaining time for rebuttal.

544
00:32:13,148 --> 00:32:13,648
All right.

545
00:32:13,648 --> 00:32:14,148
Thank you.

546
00:32:14,148 --> 00:32:17,698
Thank you And is there anyone
else to speak on behalf

547
00:32:17,698 --> 00:32:21,328
of the applicant You said
there was a letter that

548
00:32:21,328 --> 00:32:22,738
came in opposition
Madam Clerk, do

549
00:32:22,738 --> 00:32:25,228
you have access to that
letter Yes, I do, Madam

550
00:32:25,228 --> 00:32:27,463
Chair I have Elizabeth Pake.

551
00:32:27,463 --> 00:32:28,355
She's here.

552
00:32:28,355 --> 00:32:30,418
Oh, okay Yes, she's here.

553
00:32:30,418 --> 00:32:31,828
So there is someone
here in opposition?

554
00:32:31,828 --> 00:32:32,338
Yes.

555
00:32:32,338 --> 00:32:33,711
Okay Could you.

556
00:32:33,711 --> 00:32:34,961
Did you sign in already?

557
00:32:34,961 --> 00:32:35,711
Yes, ma'am.

558
00:32:35,711 --> 00:32:36,211
OK.

559
00:32:36,211 --> 00:32:40,078
Please approach the
podium and provide

560
00:32:40,078 --> 00:32:42,594
your opposition Thank you.

561
00:32:42,594 --> 00:32:45,958
Thank you State your state
your name and address, please.

562
00:32:45,958 --> 00:32:46,973
My name is Elizabeth.

563
00:32:46,973 --> 00:32:47,473
Fight.

564
00:32:47,473 --> 00:32:48,236
I tee.

565
00:32:48,236 --> 00:32:49,528
I live at 5260.

566
00:32:49,528 --> 00:32:53,098
Sherman Devi Sandy
springs 30342.

567
00:32:53,098 --> 00:32:55,798
And I am also the president
of the Coasters condominium

568
00:32:55,798 --> 00:32:58,738
association, which is
the downhill neighbor

569
00:32:58,738 --> 00:33:01,168
of this property
and who has not been

570
00:33:01,168 --> 00:33:06,298
contacted at all about this
variance So again, good evening.

571
00:33:06,298 --> 00:33:08,158
I'm the president of the
Cloisters Condominium

572
00:33:08,158 --> 00:33:11,588
Association and I represent
roughly Hundreds units whose

573
00:33:11,588 --> 00:33:15,508
homes sit downhill of
this property I would note

574
00:33:15,508 --> 00:33:18,238
that while various individual
community members received

575
00:33:18,238 --> 00:33:21,568
notice of this application,
to my knowledge, the Cloisters

576
00:33:21,568 --> 00:33:24,868
condominium association
itself has not received

577
00:33:24,868 --> 00:33:27,598
any notification and I
personally did not receive

578
00:33:27,598 --> 00:33:30,898
any notification And despite
living close enough that I can

579
00:33:30,898 --> 00:33:35,848
actually hear the family
play in their backyard

580
00:33:35,848 --> 00:33:38,668
our community has experienced
stormwater runoff issues in

581
00:33:38,668 --> 00:33:40,378
the past based on construction.

582
00:33:40,378 --> 00:33:43,258
A long hartman Road, which
is why this application

583
00:33:43,258 --> 00:33:45,808
is of particular concern to us.

584
00:33:45,808 --> 00:33:48,298
I respectfully ask that the
board deny these variance

585
00:33:48,298 --> 00:33:50,548
requests and I note that
city staff has already

586
00:33:50,548 --> 00:33:52,048
recommended denial of them.

587
00:33:52,048 --> 00:33:57,448
I won't reach over that But
this is not simply weather

588
00:33:57,448 --> 00:33:59,548
Sports court is a nice amenity.

589
00:33:59,548 --> 00:34:01,048
It's about whether
the applicants

590
00:34:01,048 --> 00:34:03,058
have met the legal
standards for a variance

591
00:34:03,058 --> 00:34:06,388
and staff found that they have
not, as downhill neighbors.

592
00:34:06,388 --> 00:34:10,408
Our greatest concern is storm
water Gravity is unavoidable

593
00:34:10,408 --> 00:34:13,558
in any increase in impervious
surface on uphill property

594
00:34:13,558 --> 00:34:15,778
affects everyone below it.

595
00:34:15,778 --> 00:34:18,868
And I do note that he just said
that they would be willing to do

596
00:34:18,868 --> 00:34:20,848
a like kind pervious
or impervious,

597
00:34:20,848 --> 00:34:25,078
but putting pervious materials
on the front of the property

598
00:34:25,078 --> 00:34:27,208
won't do anything to
offset the concerns

599
00:34:27,208 --> 00:34:28,408
that we have on the backside.

600
00:34:28,408 --> 00:34:32,158
The topography there is
very, very, very steep.

601
00:34:32,158 --> 00:34:35,706
It is very steep The fence
runs along the ridge line.

602
00:34:35,706 --> 00:34:38,848
And then it is a
straight drop off

603
00:34:38,848 --> 00:34:41,248
and it goes directly
into all of our backyards

604
00:34:41,248 --> 00:34:45,868
in our townhome and condo
association with that applicant.

605
00:34:45,868 --> 00:34:47,608
Seek to raise the lot
coverage from the permitted

606
00:34:47,608 --> 00:34:52,408
35% they'd already raised
it to 40, announced 44.3%.

607
00:34:52,408 --> 00:34:55,348
This the staff confirm that
exceeds the general intent

608
00:34:55,348 --> 00:34:59,938
of the development code As you
can see from the images, they

609
00:34:59,938 --> 00:35:04,318
also the applicants propose
a swale and pervious pavers.

610
00:35:04,318 --> 00:35:06,208
But pervious pavers again
on the front of the property

611
00:35:06,208 --> 00:35:09,208
won't do anything to help me on
the backside of their property.

612
00:35:09,208 --> 00:35:12,928
And I don't even know if there's
room for a swale in other areas.

613
00:35:12,928 --> 00:35:15,448
I am concerned about
the setback variance.

614
00:35:15,448 --> 00:35:17,248
The sports court willing
was intentionally

615
00:35:17,248 --> 00:35:18,868
built within the
required setbacks

616
00:35:18,868 --> 00:35:20,548
before permits weren't obtained.

617
00:35:20,548 --> 00:35:22,018
I'm sympathetic to
the fact that they

618
00:35:22,018 --> 00:35:24,508
got a contractor that
gave them bad advice,

619
00:35:24,508 --> 00:35:25,918
but we still are where we are.

620
00:35:25,918 --> 00:35:28,468
And I'm also sympathetic to
the reason why they have it.

621
00:35:28,468 --> 00:35:33,748
But as a homeowner and as a
row of town homes and condos

622
00:35:33,748 --> 00:35:36,568
who've had to replace their
flooring before because

623
00:35:36,568 --> 00:35:39,388
of the construction and hard
them in court we have to stand

624
00:35:39,388 --> 00:35:42,928
and we have to say this
to all the applicants.

625
00:35:42,928 --> 00:35:45,868
Blame the lots size
slope and mature trees

626
00:35:45,868 --> 00:35:49,666
But again, staff
disagreed with, again,

627
00:35:49,666 --> 00:35:53,548
I'm just skipping over because
the staff did appropriately

628
00:35:53,548 --> 00:35:57,568
share everything a hardship
a hardship should arise

629
00:35:57,568 --> 00:36:00,478
from the land itself, not from
the decision to build first

630
00:36:00,478 --> 00:36:02,428
and then seek approval later.

631
00:36:02,428 --> 00:36:05,248
And it is concerning to me
that no one in our neighborhood

632
00:36:05,248 --> 00:36:07,048
was actively contacted
and discussed.

633
00:36:07,048 --> 00:36:10,378
So while I'm appreciative that
the Eastern and Western side

634
00:36:10,378 --> 00:36:12,898
neighbors perhaps might be
supportive and have worked

635
00:36:12,898 --> 00:36:15,628
out their issues it
completely ignores the fact

636
00:36:15,628 --> 00:36:18,868
that they're adjacent
to a massive property

637
00:36:18,868 --> 00:36:20,398
and we have all
sorts of concerns

638
00:36:20,398 --> 00:36:22,018
that we have to deal with too.

639
00:36:22,018 --> 00:36:24,418
And so being a
part of monitoring

640
00:36:24,418 --> 00:36:29,608
what a neighbor does on Hardiman
is difficult for us to do.

641
00:36:29,608 --> 00:36:31,348
Finally, the board should
consider precedent.

642
00:36:31,348 --> 00:36:32,938
If owners can build
without permits

643
00:36:32,938 --> 00:36:35,518
and later obtain variance is
because removals inconvenient,

644
00:36:35,518 --> 00:36:37,858
it weakens the city's
regulations and disadvantages

645
00:36:37,858 --> 00:36:40,798
compliant property owners as
downhill neighbors We live

646
00:36:40,798 --> 00:36:44,158
with the long term consequences
of drainage problems develop

647
00:36:44,158 --> 00:36:45,748
and the proposed
mitigation has not

648
00:36:45,748 --> 00:36:49,528
been shown to eliminate
that risk For these reasons,

649
00:36:49,528 --> 00:36:50,848
we respectfully
ask for the board

650
00:36:50,848 --> 00:36:53,098
to deny both variance requests.

651
00:36:53,098 --> 00:36:56,488
If the board grants some relief,
despite Staff's recommending

652
00:36:56,488 --> 00:37:00,268
And I also ask that
again for this approval

653
00:37:00,268 --> 00:37:01,558
on the engineering report.

654
00:37:01,558 --> 00:37:04,018
That is our main concern.

655
00:37:04,018 --> 00:37:06,898
And that there's going to be no
increase in stormwater runoff

656
00:37:06,898 --> 00:37:08,338
together with
enforceable conditions

657
00:37:08,338 --> 00:37:11,938
requiring the screening, etc.

658
00:37:11,938 --> 00:37:16,018
And then lastly, I I
can admit I don't fully

659
00:37:16,018 --> 00:37:18,298
know what is within the
purview of what you can do,

660
00:37:18,298 --> 00:37:21,748
but we would ask that if this
board does allow this to move

661
00:37:21,748 --> 00:37:25,138
forward, that there are some
either deadlines or more

662
00:37:25,138 --> 00:37:27,988
communication or information We
shouldn't have to be monitoring

663
00:37:27,988 --> 00:37:30,478
what they do and whether or not,
if they're ordered to remove

664
00:37:30,478 --> 00:37:32,998
the sports court that they do
it or if their auditors they say

665
00:37:32,998 --> 00:37:35,488
they're going to do
more pervious pavers,

666
00:37:35,488 --> 00:37:39,392
that they do it we would ask
for more invermay action.

667
00:37:39,392 --> 00:37:42,238
And we will be
monitoring the situation.

668
00:37:42,238 --> 00:37:46,228
I can assure both city
staff and the homeowners,

669
00:37:46,228 --> 00:37:48,328
they are that my
entire community

670
00:37:48,328 --> 00:37:50,398
is very interested
in what goes on here.

671
00:37:50,398 --> 00:37:53,458
Thank you so much for
your time Thank you.

672
00:37:53,458 --> 00:37:56,204
You may be seated Is there.

673
00:37:56,204 --> 00:38:03,748
Do you want to rebut
anything that was said Yes,

674
00:38:03,748 --> 00:38:05,518
just a few points.

675
00:38:05,518 --> 00:38:10,288
One, we did send out notices to
the residents at the Cloisters

676
00:38:10,288 --> 00:38:12,928
and we received several
phone calls from residents

677
00:38:12,928 --> 00:38:15,058
at the Cloisters They were
mostly concerned with where

678
00:38:15,058 --> 00:38:17,068
the property was located.

679
00:38:17,068 --> 00:38:18,358
This is the first
time tonight that I

680
00:38:18,358 --> 00:38:21,118
was aware of the
Cloisters concerns

681
00:38:21,118 --> 00:38:23,716
and we would gladly accept a
deferral of this application.

682
00:38:23,716 --> 00:38:26,038
So we can work with
them, particularly

683
00:38:26,038 --> 00:38:27,358
on the stormwater issues.

684
00:38:27,358 --> 00:38:29,548
There are certain solutions
that we can install,

685
00:38:29,548 --> 00:38:31,888
including dry
wells or bio swales

686
00:38:31,888 --> 00:38:34,320
that would help mitigate the
runoff from the Sports Court.

687
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,918
Again, the sports
courts, only 750ft²,

688
00:38:37,918 --> 00:38:40,228
but we would be more than
willing to work with them

689
00:38:40,228 --> 00:38:45,178
And as staff to come up with an
engineering solution to assuage

690
00:38:45,178 --> 00:38:50,788
their concerns about any runoff
impacts Again I'm willing

691
00:38:50,788 --> 00:38:53,758
to, after this meeting,
get the contact information

692
00:38:53,758 --> 00:38:57,118
for the Cloisters
HOA and willing

693
00:38:57,118 --> 00:38:59,434
to meet with them
With that, I would

694
00:38:59,434 --> 00:39:01,151
like to request a deferral.

695
00:39:01,151 --> 00:39:05,398
OK For 60 days or 30 days.

696
00:39:05,398 --> 00:39:08,938
I think 60 days since there are
some design considerations I

697
00:39:08,938 --> 00:39:13,438
would allow us time to
meet with the adjacent HOA

698
00:39:13,438 --> 00:39:15,058
and then come up
with those solutions

699
00:39:15,058 --> 00:39:18,628
to be able to come
back here with a better

700
00:39:18,628 --> 00:39:22,498
design plan that addresses
their concerns Thank you

701
00:39:22,498 --> 00:39:23,458
And that's it.

702
00:39:23,458 --> 00:39:26,350
You have one minute and
16 seconds for rebuttal.

703
00:39:26,350 --> 00:39:27,478
I think I'm okay.

704
00:39:27,478 --> 00:39:28,168
All right.

705
00:39:28,168 --> 00:39:31,678
I would like to ask our
You can have a seat, sir.

706
00:39:31,678 --> 00:39:36,208
Our board attorney
if the applicant is

707
00:39:36,208 --> 00:39:39,718
requesting a deferral
is that appropriate

708
00:39:39,718 --> 00:39:41,278
And could 60 days be possible?

709
00:39:41,278 --> 00:39:42,538
So I'd like you
to speak to that.

710
00:39:42,538 --> 00:39:43,918
Yeah, of course.

711
00:39:43,918 --> 00:39:49,198
I mean, if a motion made to
defer, then that at the board's

712
00:39:49,198 --> 00:39:50,593
pleasure and it can be.

713
00:39:50,593 --> 00:39:55,408
You're not bound by certain time
limit similar to the Planning

714
00:39:55,408 --> 00:39:57,718
Commission which has a
limited amount of time

715
00:39:57,718 --> 00:39:59,068
to recommend the City Council.

716
00:39:59,068 --> 00:40:04,238
So you may defer if, if
you so choose All right.

717
00:40:04,238 --> 00:40:04,738
Thank you.

718
00:40:04,738 --> 00:40:05,638
That's what I want to know.

719
00:40:05,638 --> 00:40:07,388
Do we have a time constraint to.

720
00:40:07,388 --> 00:40:07,888
All right.

721
00:40:07,888 --> 00:40:08,488
Thank you.

722
00:40:08,488 --> 00:40:11,698
So I'll close the
public portion and now

723
00:40:11,698 --> 00:40:18,508
have discussion with
the board Mr. Bardwell,

724
00:40:18,508 --> 00:40:21,408
I got a question for liquid and
a question for the applicant.

725
00:40:21,408 --> 00:40:21,968
For liquid.

726
00:40:21,968 --> 00:40:23,368
Appreciate it.

727
00:40:23,368 --> 00:40:24,187
I think you said it.

728
00:40:24,187 --> 00:40:28,108
I might have misunderstood There
was a request for a variance

729
00:40:28,108 --> 00:40:33,778
a while ago to go from 35%
impervious to 40% impervious.

730
00:40:33,778 --> 00:40:37,408
So it was not a variance
per the development code.

731
00:40:37,408 --> 00:40:40,258
You can increase by 5%.

732
00:40:40,258 --> 00:40:45,478
If you do extra mitigation
So when I built the pool,

733
00:40:45,478 --> 00:40:47,668
they got 5% more.

734
00:40:47,668 --> 00:40:49,340
So they had a maximum of 40%.

735
00:40:49,340 --> 00:40:49,891
OK.

736
00:40:49,891 --> 00:40:52,372
But there was a
variance for the pool.

737
00:40:52,372 --> 00:40:54,781
Is they were given a variance ?

738
00:40:54,781 --> 00:40:56,244
Yes, There was
some process there.

739
00:40:56,244 --> 00:40:59,128
Right now, though, I think
there was a miscommunication.

740
00:40:59,128 --> 00:41:03,328
There was never a variance
They just had the extra 5%,

741
00:41:03,328 --> 00:41:05,398
the pool was with mitigation.

742
00:41:05,398 --> 00:41:06,838
The pool could be there.

743
00:41:06,838 --> 00:41:08,378
And so it was just
during a primary phase.

744
00:41:08,378 --> 00:41:08,878
OK.

745
00:41:08,878 --> 00:41:11,800
Because that was also in their
application as well stated that.

746
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,072
So it was that communicated
to the contractor

747
00:41:14,072 --> 00:41:16,048
or was a community
to the homeowner

748
00:41:16,048 --> 00:41:20,548
that they now had up to 40%.

749
00:41:20,548 --> 00:41:24,658
I will assume the contractor
whoever was in the primary phase

750
00:41:24,658 --> 00:41:26,008
whoever was representing them.

751
00:41:26,008 --> 00:41:26,788
Okay.

752
00:41:26,788 --> 00:41:29,686
And your other question, Mr. My
Second question to the applicant

753
00:41:29,686 --> 00:41:33,546
and Sam, can you put up the
recommendations, slide so if I

754
00:41:33,546 --> 00:41:35,788
understand, if we were
to approve this there's

755
00:41:35,788 --> 00:41:39,238
three recommendations
from staff Um,

756
00:41:39,238 --> 00:41:45,746
screw meaning a storm water plan
and removal of the light pole.

757
00:41:45,746 --> 00:41:47,998
The thought I heard you
say there are two additions

758
00:41:47,998 --> 00:41:50,502
or things I captured
One of them,

759
00:41:50,502 --> 00:41:54,178
which was an additional
750ft² of impervious surface

760
00:41:54,178 --> 00:41:55,316
on the driveway in the front.

761
00:41:55,316 --> 00:41:56,968
I thought you said
there was a second.

762
00:41:56,968 --> 00:41:58,858
I didn't capture
That is correct.

763
00:41:58,858 --> 00:42:01,138
And these were sent we
received these conditions

764
00:42:01,138 --> 00:42:02,788
in the staff report on Monday.

765
00:42:02,788 --> 00:42:04,738
And once we received
those, we sent back

766
00:42:04,738 --> 00:42:08,640
two additional conditions to
staff earlier today this morning

767
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,728
i can read that I have copies
if you'd like to read them,

768
00:42:11,728 --> 00:42:14,326
or I can read them
into the record.

769
00:42:14,326 --> 00:42:15,359
Just read them into the record.

770
00:42:15,359 --> 00:42:19,528
So the applicant's proposed
condition number four states

771
00:42:19,528 --> 00:42:23,998
the applicant shall replace
approximately 765ft² of existing

772
00:42:23,998 --> 00:42:27,628
impervious area on the subject
property with pervious pavers

773
00:42:27,628 --> 00:42:31,078
and equivalent amount to
the area of the sports court

774
00:42:31,078 --> 00:42:32,518
to offset the sports courts.

775
00:42:32,518 --> 00:42:37,680
Lot coverage impact
number Five The applicant

776
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,448
shall install
mitigation improvements

777
00:42:39,448 --> 00:42:41,458
as shown in red text
on the site plan

778
00:42:41,458 --> 00:42:44,758
titled our Boy Site
Plan dashboard Support

779
00:42:44,758 --> 00:42:46,198
PDF, which was the site plan.

780
00:42:46,198 --> 00:42:50,578
I was up earlier prepared by
a solar land surveying company

781
00:42:50,578 --> 00:42:55,408
and signed by John W Stancil as
Jr and received on June Seventh.

782
00:42:55,408 --> 00:42:58,608
20 are June 17 2026 and 7.

783
00:42:58,608 --> 00:43:00,547
You put that up.

784
00:43:00,547 --> 00:43:06,148
So what is that Fifth
thing No, not that one.

785
00:43:06,148 --> 00:43:08,728
The one with the red
text with the era.

786
00:43:08,728 --> 00:43:09,388
That one.

787
00:43:09,388 --> 00:43:09,888
Yes.

788
00:43:09,888 --> 00:43:12,316
That was the site plan that was
submitted with the application

789
00:43:12,316 --> 00:43:12,816
OK.

790
00:43:12,816 --> 00:43:15,088
I can't read that
I can't read that.

791
00:43:15,088 --> 00:43:16,298
Read.

792
00:43:16,298 --> 00:43:16,798
Right.

793
00:43:16,798 --> 00:43:18,838
So I cannot either.

794
00:43:18,838 --> 00:43:24,118
But I can tell you what it
is Yeah Oh, there you go.

795
00:43:24,118 --> 00:43:25,382
That we are proposing.

796
00:43:25,382 --> 00:43:29,308
Evergreen landscape shaping
along the property line

797
00:43:29,308 --> 00:43:31,228
and next to the
adjacent sports court

798
00:43:31,228 --> 00:43:34,618
installing netting along
the sports court and then

799
00:43:34,618 --> 00:43:36,118
also improve moving this.

800
00:43:36,118 --> 00:43:38,518
Well, if you can pan
down a little bit.

801
00:43:38,518 --> 00:43:40,888
There you go To
rebuild the swale, that

802
00:43:40,888 --> 00:43:42,658
was a concern of the neighbors.

803
00:43:42,658 --> 00:43:46,078
Okay And sir,
while you're there,

804
00:43:46,078 --> 00:43:48,930
you did request a
deferral That's correct.

805
00:43:48,930 --> 00:43:49,430
OK.

806
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:49,876
All right.

807
00:43:49,876 --> 00:43:50,338
Thank you.

808
00:43:50,338 --> 00:43:50,838
You.

809
00:43:50,838 --> 00:43:53,698
And I have a question
on this slide.

810
00:43:53,698 --> 00:43:56,431
It says Putting up the
trees to mass of light.

811
00:43:56,431 --> 00:43:59,608
So are you not agreeing that
you would remove the light?

812
00:43:59,608 --> 00:44:01,678
I will agree to
remove the light.

813
00:44:01,678 --> 00:44:04,378
Again, this was
received on Monday

814
00:44:04,378 --> 00:44:06,808
The staff's condition to
remove the light This plan

815
00:44:06,808 --> 00:44:08,278
was submitted on June 17th.

816
00:44:08,278 --> 00:44:08,878
OK.

817
00:44:08,878 --> 00:44:11,958
So at that time, we weren't
aware of staff's condition.

818
00:44:11,958 --> 00:44:12,458
OK.

819
00:44:12,458 --> 00:44:13,048
Thank you.

820
00:44:13,048 --> 00:44:13,548
You.

821
00:44:13,548 --> 00:44:17,128
Which side of the property
is the condo association?

822
00:44:17,128 --> 00:44:24,556
They are to the top of the plan
on this one there to the north

823
00:44:24,556 --> 00:44:26,678
If you can scroll
We had a question

824
00:44:26,678 --> 00:44:28,478
was staff you have a big A map.

825
00:44:28,478 --> 00:44:33,928
So we can see how far is
that the location of where

826
00:44:33,928 --> 00:44:36,508
they are in line with the home.

827
00:44:36,508 --> 00:44:41,424
Okay We can get a map up OK.

828
00:44:41,424 --> 00:44:49,867
And how many are in support in
opposition We have some just

829
00:44:49,867 --> 00:44:53,218
that would know that
you know, I believe

830
00:44:53,218 --> 00:44:57,958
there were four right in in
favor and one in opposition.

831
00:44:57,958 --> 00:45:01,998
But the one represented
the hOA, HOA or.

832
00:45:01,998 --> 00:45:02,523
Thank you.

833
00:45:02,523 --> 00:45:09,328
OK And so I don't.

834
00:45:09,328 --> 00:45:11,548
Does anyone have any
other questions for.

835
00:45:11,548 --> 00:45:13,647
Oh, so you don't have
to remain standing?

836
00:45:13,647 --> 00:45:14,147
OK.

837
00:45:14,147 --> 00:45:14,638
Thank you.

838
00:45:14,638 --> 00:45:15,138
You.

839
00:45:15,138 --> 00:45:16,285
I was up here for questions.

840
00:45:16,285 --> 00:45:18,108
OK We might call you
back that you don't have

841
00:45:18,108 --> 00:45:21,478
to stand there right now Okay?

842
00:45:21,478 --> 00:45:26,368
So can staff direct us to
where the condos association is

843
00:45:26,368 --> 00:45:31,918
in relationship to the home
Those group of buildings

844
00:45:31,918 --> 00:45:35,128
to the north Right.

845
00:45:35,128 --> 00:45:36,898
So you got the strip
of trees there.

846
00:45:36,898 --> 00:45:37,808
You see the red dot?

847
00:45:37,808 --> 00:45:38,308
Yes.

848
00:45:38,308 --> 00:45:39,928
That's the subject property.

849
00:45:39,928 --> 00:45:41,758
And you've got like
two strip of trees.

850
00:45:41,758 --> 00:45:44,398
And then there there that
whole complex behind them.

851
00:45:44,398 --> 00:45:54,868
Okay Thank you Member bardwell.

852
00:45:54,868 --> 00:45:56,368
Well, here's my thought.

853
00:45:56,368 --> 00:45:59,068
If the applicant's willing
to defer this and work

854
00:45:59,068 --> 00:46:02,428
with the homeowners association
on the condo association

855
00:46:02,428 --> 00:46:04,708
back there I would
make a motion that we

856
00:46:04,708 --> 00:46:11,218
allow this to be deferred for
the requested 60 days a second.

857
00:46:11,218 --> 00:46:13,408
Just we don't have to
give a date a time,

858
00:46:13,408 --> 00:46:16,078
you will you don't
just a point of order.

859
00:46:16,078 --> 00:46:21,658
If you can have you only
required at one public hearing,

860
00:46:21,658 --> 00:46:26,368
you can postpone this for
decision only, which means

861
00:46:26,368 --> 00:46:28,018
we've had the public hearing.

862
00:46:28,018 --> 00:46:30,388
It comes back to
you for a decision

863
00:46:30,388 --> 00:46:33,298
so you can still
discuss ask questions.

864
00:46:33,298 --> 00:46:34,469
Just wanted to make that point.

865
00:46:34,469 --> 00:46:35,788
Now you can defer
the whole thing

866
00:46:35,788 --> 00:46:38,153
again, have another public
hearing, if you like.

867
00:46:38,153 --> 00:46:40,610
But I just wanted to
be aware Madam Chair.

868
00:46:40,610 --> 00:46:41,110
OK.

869
00:46:41,110 --> 00:46:43,288
I think deferring for a
public hearing makes sense

870
00:46:43,288 --> 00:46:47,128
because if there's
other additional change

871
00:46:47,128 --> 00:46:50,278
as things like that, then we can
have a de novo hearing again.

872
00:46:50,278 --> 00:46:51,478
Yes Okay.

873
00:46:51,478 --> 00:46:54,028
So there's a motion on
the floor for a deferral.

874
00:46:54,028 --> 00:46:55,750
Is there a second?

875
00:46:55,750 --> 00:46:57,128
A second meeting.

876
00:46:57,128 --> 00:47:00,448
And sorry, real quick, is
that the October six meeting

877
00:47:00,448 --> 00:47:02,973
or the i'm sorry, October 7?

878
00:47:02,973 --> 00:47:08,390
Are we doing the Sixth
day request at 60 days?

879
00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:13,355
So that'll make it up to and I
know that our our attorney said,

880
00:47:13,355 --> 00:47:15,474
we're not tied, they're
not tied to that.

881
00:47:15,474 --> 00:47:18,238
So it could be okay.

882
00:47:18,238 --> 00:47:20,144
It could be September,
it could be later.

883
00:47:20,144 --> 00:47:22,609
But there's a
deferral on the floor.

884
00:47:22,609 --> 00:47:27,898
OK And there's a second on the
floor And all those in favor

885
00:47:27,898 --> 00:47:35,470
say I, I any opposed chair Both
sides unanimous, Madam chair.

886
00:47:35,470 --> 00:47:36,029
Excuse me.

887
00:47:36,029 --> 00:47:36,588
It seconded.

888
00:47:36,588 --> 00:47:37,147
I'm sorry.

889
00:47:37,147 --> 00:47:37,706
We both.

890
00:47:37,706 --> 00:47:38,079
OK.

891
00:47:38,079 --> 00:47:38,638
Thank you.

892
00:47:38,638 --> 00:47:39,748
You, Susan.

893
00:47:39,748 --> 00:47:42,216
I think it was a lot of
chatter going on, so thank you.

894
00:47:42,216 --> 00:47:42,716
OK.

895
00:47:42,716 --> 00:47:43,321
All right.

896
00:47:43,321 --> 00:47:43,926
Thank you.

897
00:47:43,926 --> 00:47:47,248
That that concludes our cases.

898
00:47:47,248 --> 00:47:50,998
Case number d, Is there any
ongoing business that we need

899
00:47:50,998 --> 00:47:54,748
to discuss Any new business?

900
00:47:54,748 --> 00:47:58,438
Yes Yeah, I'd just
like to make a plug

901
00:47:58,438 --> 00:48:01,618
for the comprehensive
Plan and Recreation

902
00:48:01,618 --> 00:48:02,638
and Parks master plan.

903
00:48:02,638 --> 00:48:04,918
We have upcoming
meetings, as you know,

904
00:48:04,918 --> 00:48:06,808
we're calling it
the next chapter.

905
00:48:06,808 --> 00:48:11,198
And this August, we have
meetings planned for August 17,

906
00:48:11,198 --> 00:48:15,988
which is a Monday at the church
of the Redeemer at 6 p.m..

907
00:48:15,988 --> 00:48:18,088
And then on Thursday
August 20th,

908
00:48:18,088 --> 00:48:20,788
at the municipal
complex at 6 p.m., these

909
00:48:20,788 --> 00:48:22,438
will be our meeting number two.

910
00:48:22,438 --> 00:48:25,498
So we're doing a north End
meeting and a self and meeting,

911
00:48:25,498 --> 00:48:29,248
same meeting at both
locations And I also

912
00:48:29,248 --> 00:48:31,558
want to encourage each
and every one of you

913
00:48:31,558 --> 00:48:33,910
to go to our website
plan the next chapter.org

914
00:48:33,910 --> 00:48:38,368
and fill out the survey as they
have been posted to the website.

915
00:48:38,368 --> 00:48:41,038
So it's open to the public.

916
00:48:41,038 --> 00:48:45,358
We had some statistically valid
Sylvia's go out previously

917
00:48:45,358 --> 00:48:47,578
and now we're using
those same questions

918
00:48:47,578 --> 00:48:49,078
and providing that
for the public.

919
00:48:49,078 --> 00:48:51,868
So anyone can take
those surveys now.

920
00:48:51,868 --> 00:48:53,273
So available at planned.

921
00:48:53,273 --> 00:48:55,863
And next chapter.org
and they're also

922
00:48:55,863 --> 00:49:01,288
on there fans at your fair you
can scan the QR code on there.

923
00:49:01,288 --> 00:49:02,008
Thank you.

924
00:49:02,008 --> 00:49:04,168
You and they're very
informative and they

925
00:49:04,168 --> 00:49:05,578
impact what we do as well.

926
00:49:05,578 --> 00:49:08,218
So it'd be great if
everyone could participate.

927
00:49:08,218 --> 00:49:12,683
And can I get a
motion to adjourn some

928
00:49:12,683 --> 00:49:15,334
of is there a second, Second.

929
00:49:15,334 --> 00:49:17,090
All those in favor say I chair.

930
00:49:17,090 --> 00:49:23,191
Well, it's like we are
adjourned Ocotillo for meeting.

931
00:49:23,191 --> 00:49:24,054
OK.

932
00:49:24,054 --> 00:49:28,258
I thought maybe you know, she's
the one who's going to point

933
00:49:28,258 --> 00:49:29,458
but I'm going to text her.

934
00:49:29,458 --> 00:49:31,385
Thank you 20.

935
00:49:31,385 --> 00:49:31,890
You have one.

936
00:49:31,890 --> 00:49:33,788
Do you have an for next year?

937
00:49:33,788 --> 00:49:34,288
Yeah.

938
00:49:34,288 --> 00:49:38,698
This is motion one.

939
00:49:38,698 --> 00:49:39,448
Yeah.

940
00:49:39,448 --> 00:49:42,334
No, like I tomorrow,
you'll be in Chicago.

941
00:49:42,334 --> 00:49:49,819
Yeah, but if you
want to be fun to go.

942
00:49:49,819 --> 00:49:52,022
And next year we'll come
back to Atlanta for.

943
00:49:52,022 --> 00:49:55,028
I know you're going to cool it.

944
00:49:55,028 --> 00:49:55,528
Thank you.

945
00:49:55,528 --> 00:49:56,038
You.

946
00:49:56,038 --> 00:50:00,404
Appreciate your work.

947
00:50:00,404 --> 00:50:10,108
The neighbors like you've been
to be able to have one chair.

948
00:50:10,108 --> 00:50:13,768
And I know that
that's immediately

949
00:50:13,768 --> 00:50:20,458
what I thought about was that
place because um, I like I was

950
00:50:20,458 --> 00:50:24,298
on the everyone works
board and we and our dance

951
00:50:24,298 --> 00:50:28,348
and it was started or when
we called but there it

952
00:50:28,348 --> 00:50:34,168
was and it was great And
then his daughter's reception

953
00:50:34,168 --> 00:50:34,704
was there.

954
00:50:34,704 --> 00:50:35,204
So.

955
00:50:35,204 --> 00:50:36,240
And they loved it.

956
00:50:36,240 --> 00:50:40,542
So give the two places, right?

957
00:50:40,542 --> 00:50:46,058
Yeah Um, something different you
know, it's something different.

958
00:50:46,058 --> 00:51:15,148
I like it because that's
when you're supposed to I

959
00:51:15,148 --> 00:51:20,725
mean, I Well, I