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[0:01] I'd
[0:10] like to welcome everybody out to our board meeting. It is August 11th and it's 630. We'll start
[0:23] with introductions on J. Olson, chair, vice chair.
[0:31] Way do you buy us some or remember Brian Andrew okay Chris Johnson Matt
[0:38] Palmer Kristina about to open and straight okay thank you
[0:46] you want to
[0:49] introduce yourself we just did that talk usually with twin
[1:04] There's a board had an opportunity to look at the minutes, I was not here, I read through them but I wasn't here so I entertained a motion to accept almost no further minutes.
[1:25] Okay. All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? No.
[1:32] Let's move down to our financials.
[1:36] Does anybody have any questions on the bills we had?
[1:41] No. We didn't have a ton of it turning either again a little bit, but not a lot.
[1:46] Yeah, I guess I, we shouldn't have too much. I spent a little time with him on just that, uh,
[1:53] yeah, the legal issue with our neighbors to keep. We talked about that and stuff. You guys all
[2:03] got the memo and then we can discuss that in close session and go from there. If there isn't any
[2:12] questions, we're concerned, you have to accept. Okay, second. We've got Wade McRae,
[2:22] all in favor? Aye.
[2:28] Project updates, discussion on possible action and
[2:32] guarding standards in criteria. We've got anything more on that than we need
[2:38] to worry about. I know that we have done some. We, you approved last time the
[2:43] The slight change to the criteria one, the public entity to give irrigation companies
[2:50] a, you know, the full points than just municipalities.
[2:54] I believe we discussed the method to do that is the proportion of the shareholders that
[2:59] are involved in the application, same thing with towns, if it's the whole town or just a portion
[3:04] of town.
[3:05] That has been updated and then we, instead of just the public welfare, we added a section
[3:11] for innovations, so that includes use of technology reporting and measurement.
[3:16] So those standards have been made.
[3:18] We have one new submittal, I know two of the contacts with that, performance minute,
[3:25] cotton or gooseberry, is planning on putting in a kind of a feasibility study.
[3:31] They want to come in for funding for it and the
[3:37] down-of-fair view, they want to do a water
[3:41] right study, the irrigation company down there. But we have twin lakes here today who wanted
[3:47] to answer questions from the, they have to submit a last twin creek, sorry. Not a way
[3:54] to do it. No. Sorry, twin lakes are where I was on a day. It's a night hone, it has its
[4:00] own, so we say it has water. Sometimes, they have their own, they're trying to build a dam
[4:06] Similar to you guys for not just not quite as long
[4:11] But they had cool the board had questions last time about the submittal using concrete pipe versus another material
[4:18] Yeah, they changed that
[4:21] And I was just gonna open up the board for questions to you first of all, you know if you give you a chance to
[4:28] What what you're doing what you're trying to do how important is to make your case here
[4:34] We talked about it before, and I don't know if you guys remember, but I think everybody
[4:39] remembers what was concrete down by the high school of schools and that the
[4:44] 2300 feet or something like that. Yeah, it's just completely fallen apart. It's
[4:48] cause of havoc and it would just be a lot better to have that in in a pipe for
[4:54] safety and conserving water. So it's not in a pipe? No, no. It's meant good, right?
[5:03] Yeah, it's meant to be.
[5:04] Yeah, it's meant to be.
[5:04] You remember this one?
[5:06] Yeah, it's your little design.
[5:07] Right?
[5:07] Probably double.
[5:09] Oh, okay.
[5:10] It's still quite.
[5:11] It's older than me.
[5:12] It's just slide down.
[5:13] It's just slide down.
[5:14] Yeah.
[5:15] It goes like that, man.
[5:17] Okay.
[5:19] They have changed.
[5:20] They sent in revised plans.
[5:22] JUB is their engineer.
[5:25] However, they haven't sent a revised cost assessment.
[5:27] And the whole point of changing the pipe
[5:30] was to see if the cost could change.
[5:32] And so that's why the board had the question as well, could you do a revised cost?
[5:37] If it's not pressurized, which was at the indication, right, it's not pressurized, you know,
[5:43] why can't we do an HTTP or an ADS pipe?
[5:47] Right, that would be a lot cheaper than RCP.
[5:49] And I think they had a total project cost just over a million.
[5:53] You've got a UDAF grant, water opusation grant that pays for half and they were asking
[5:59] for a quarter, so 250,000 from the board.
[6:05] But that was basically about 250,000 for there at before.
[6:10] Yeah, that's where they's at, and that was sort of 2300 feet.
[6:13] Yep, that's all we're looking at.
[6:16] There's no other part of the project that we're doing.
[6:19] No, there's little branches of it, and I think that was included,
[6:24] and then we were going to have some cement boxes
[6:25] for a clean-out or where water drains in into this ditch off of a place.
[6:31] Yeah, I can describe.
[6:32] So this, this is the cemetery right here where the east of west is.
[6:36] Here's about 2,300 feet.
[6:38] They're a total project.
[6:39] That 24-inch HDB came down this 18-inch with this way.
[6:44] And then there's not a line that went north on the one side of the highway.
[6:50] But do you think you could reduce those costs?
[6:52] If you lower it, get your engineer to submit a new cost, if they have that is what the board felt last time.
[7:02] They have plans to say HEP, but in their semiddle they just said, well, we feel it would change the project costs substantially.
[7:10] That's where we push back and say, well, we think it will continue to cost us.
[7:14] Well, and if you don't have to have a pressurized or anything, I mean, it'd be that I'm not sure what it's called.
[7:20] Well, it's in 60 ADS pipes, so it's new interior.
[7:25] Ribbed on the outside.
[7:26] Ribbed on the outside, doesn't have to have pressurized gaskets, doesn't have to be
[7:30] buffused.
[7:32] And it's 18 inch pipe, so I think it'll be significant cost savings there.
[7:38] So your engineering companies looked at it that way, but they haven't come up with a
[7:44] price.
[7:44] No, they haven't changed the price.
[7:45] And that's my question to you.
[7:47] I mean this is all their estimated costs so when you put it out to bid and everything like that is it just like a percentage you will go up to a certain amount of money and
[7:58] I know, I think that's the last time.
[8:02] What we said is if your bid comes in under what your budget amount is then you're fine.
[8:08] When you submit your invoice the district plays whatever percentage that was agreed to.
[8:13] So in your case it'd be whatever, that's a quarter percent or just say roughly, you'd submit
[8:19] those to Amanda, and then the district will case that payment on that invoice.
[8:25] That's how we described last time, that way each funding agency pays a portion of each
[8:29] invoice.
[8:29] No, we'll pay this one, you pay this one, it's kind of an administrative amendment.
[8:34] For my feelings of doing that, being in the dirt business, I don't think it's going to
[8:38] cost anywhere near what they estimate of but I don't I don't know for sure you
[8:46] think you got to get bids out and see what right materials cost and then because
[8:52] you probably have a pretty good idea on the excavation and stuff and no
[8:57] matter what you do excavation watch probably about the same cost yeah well
[9:01] that I think the Smith pipeline took a lot more
[9:05] labor to install it. And that's what I had to explain to our engineers. And we were even willing,
[9:11] as the irrigation company and the city, because we're going at this together, if we had to jump in
[9:17] and do some of the labor ourselves, we would, to keep the cost down.
[9:26] So, let me see how you want to tell us.
[9:32] I know for a lot of us it's hard to talk about so tell us why this project is important
[9:41] to you guys and the city.
[9:42] Well, if we have a year like with the cement ditch coming apart then the ice creates
[9:49] you guys all along on that one, it's been used to anyways and it's getting worse every
[9:54] year so we give these floods of water and ice then the plugs where it goes under 89 and
[10:00] And then possibly flooding the cemetery or across the highway and one of the branches
[10:07] of the lake that goes north for only a block is right next to their soccer field.
[10:12] And so we would really like to get that covered out so we don't lose a child.
[10:18] No.
[10:19] And you get optimization funding so because you only got water savings.
[10:26] I mean, you're increasing your water savings on that 2300 feet, and that's about it, right?
[10:32] So, what are they submitted?
[10:33] They just made it save around 135 acre feet a year.
[10:36] So, from that perspective, it's fairly low, but there was just for that portion of the project.
[10:41] Yeah.
[10:42] So, there's water in the year now.
[10:45] No, there's high water, and then winter water.
[10:51] And of course, if we get a cloud burst or something, that water has somewhere to go.
[10:57] but when you say the winter water, that's the ditch it goes down, where we can't store it all.
[11:12] So that all time it goes to the same side of the ditch?
[11:15] Great, so that's your old flow ditch or whatever you can't use other places.
[11:20] and so in the winter that's where the water goes through the town so it has
[11:27] water in it. If there's water it's got water in it all winter. We do have another
[11:32] ditch on the south side of town but we have to split because neither ditch is big
[11:36] enough to carry the full amount that comes down in the winter. So with this 18-inch
[11:42] pike is that going to make it to where you can put it all in this ditch? I don't
[11:46] think so. We'll still have to divide it and send something about south.
[11:50] Because you're just matching with crosses highway 89. So they can't make it in there.
[11:55] Doesn't that constriction? But I think is it 24 start with? Yeah.
[12:00] 18 down further. Yeah. It's 24. Then some northern splits. That's where it goes 18.
[12:07] And so crosses 89 and then is there pie? I mean there's no. It goes into a ditch.
[12:13] It goes back into a ditch and we haven't had a, but it's not a smitten ditch down there that's fallen apart into dirt ditch.
[12:19] And I would love to put everything through town into the ditch because we did flood a basement a couple years ago with the ice problem.
[12:29] Thank you for the one last year.
[12:31] Not this last one, but the one before.
[12:33] We didn't have ice lashing in here.
[12:36] Here we had ice, just didn't have much.
[12:39] So where's the cross-89 right next to the ball field right there where the train cars are?
[12:46] Well actually it turns and it does go into a pipe and follows the train cars and it goes
[12:51] down a little bit further than crosses the highway there by the new whole ride.
[12:55] So it's got to go through town after that?
[12:58] Yeah so
[13:01] I'd love to, for there to be enough money to put the whole thing through town and
[13:06] This is our problem area for right now.
[13:10] You should be all over that, Stan.
[13:13] Get in the sandpages.
[13:15] I'm waiting for you to speedy.
[13:19] Get in the sandpages, pass the rock down.
[13:23] West Point Canal.
[13:25] Everyone pass the rock down.
[13:28] Okay, back on the subject.
[13:31] So any other questions?
[13:35] just before the board decides would you like to have a revised cost estimate or if
[13:43] they're close to getting bids and an actual bid number come back to you. I know what I'd like but
[13:50] I want a board to say what they want
[13:55] because one's an estimate and one or facts.
[14:00] You've got any cost estimates on the pipe? I haven't. Well they have they have a
[14:06] What cost is on the total project, it's $1.29, just sounds.
[14:10] Of course your age you did one mile HDPD, 16 HDPD, last year, a whole mile from $160,000.
[14:17] Right, and that's where I felt, that's just really high, like JUB's way over the exaggeration.
[14:24] Well, that's what the board's been concerned about the whole time, and it's not that we're not willing to do the project and stuff.
[14:32] We're just trying to justify the cost.
[14:37] I understand.
[14:39] So can you put it out for beds before we make a commitment?
[14:43] Yeah, I can get a few beds.
[14:46] Because if you had fairly firm costs,
[14:49] I think the board would feel better about it,
[14:55] and that would let you know where you are with all the funding.
[14:58] If you can't, you have to...
[15:00] Percent with optimization. It doesn't matter what it is. So you're still going to need another 50 percent.
[15:08] So I think the board would be. But yeah, the breakdown is they've got a $600,000 optimization grant. But that could get reduced if the bids come in more. Yeah, it doesn't, if you don't spend the money, unless you can convince them to do more. Yes, more. I mean, if you could keep
[15:29] if you can keep your optimization grant at the 600,000 and then come in with
[15:35] costs and revise your contract as a department. Now they score just on the
[15:44] recommendation. The only project we've done this year approved so far is the
[15:51] master plan and that was the score 75. These guys with our revised criteria, they
[15:57] They were right at 75 as well, so they'd go up actually, but it made one or two points
[16:03] on it, because it is for the public good, but it's not for the entire town and not for
[16:07] the whole company.
[16:09] Yeah.
[16:10] I mean.
[16:11] So they're right in there what you've previously approved, you know, scoring wise, they're
[16:15] slightly under the portion irrigation ones that are, you know, waiting for their matching
[16:22] funds to get straight out.
[16:25] So, board, let's have a motion on the direction.
[16:34] Or we can just say this is what we want you to do.
[16:38] Come back when you're ready to really tell us what you need.
[16:43] I mean that's up to, what do you want board?
[16:47] I think if you come back with this data, I think that would help us.
[16:52] And I would say, with the idea that you're going to make the UDAF go as far as you can.
[17:00] You put your own skin in the game, so what the board has asked previously to do in the
[17:04] quarter yourself, and so that means all the existing board criteria.
[17:10] Yep, and I would suggest going back to optimization.
[17:16] Well, looking at your beds and deciding, you know, getting an idea of what pipe is going
[17:22] to cost and everything, and then if you have a lot of money left over, I would suggest
[17:26] you go back to optimization people and see if you can use that and cover more because every
[17:37] Every foot you put in, you'll have the water savings for that foot, the pipe, and plus the
[17:45] health, human health factor, and everything else in the safety community, so that's what
[17:54] I would suggest you do, and then come back to us, because even you probably can get that
[18:03] before our next meeting get bits in and stuff and then it'll be the second
[18:10] Tuesday in September or I think it's on the back of this is not September the
[18:17] eight so that's what it's meaning and if you could wind and have a pretty good
[18:25] firm idea on cost and stuff then I think the board is ready to probably take action
[18:34] Okay, and if you run into problems and you want to discuss it, get hold of Brian or you
[18:41] call board members or whatever, yeah, I mean.
[18:48] Yeah, I don't, I think that's the best way I didn't know if the board wanted to vote, say
[18:52] they can give you a tentative approval to help you with the other discussions, but wait to see what those costs.
[18:59] That was a discussion last time.
[19:03] So, you've got more questions for us, or you want to tell us more things.
[19:09] You know?
[19:10] Is that work for you?
[19:12] Yes.
[19:12] I mean, if you're getting your bids in and stuff a month, time with us, should work
[19:21] into that schedule so you can put it in this thought.
[19:24] Right.
[19:25] Was that what you want to do to put it in before winter comes?
[19:30] for when are you going to come next week, right?
[19:34] If you're a project, we're willing to sack them.
[19:37] Thank you for your sacrifice for the things women.
[19:41] But yeah, well, if that's okay.
[19:45] We appreciate you coming.
[19:47] And like I said, if you have questions and stuff, don't hesitate to ask us and stuff.
[19:54] Because we're here to serve you.
[19:57] and address the public.
[20:01] I'll get that stuff together. I'll get a couple.
[20:04] Is there a number of bits I need to get?
[20:07] I'll say three. I'd say your UDAF grant will have more.
[20:12] I guess I think that grant has you special occasions on what you have to do.
[20:18] And that I think that will suffice for what we want.
[20:22] Because if you're meeting those requirements for that grant
[20:25] that we should be okay. But as that said, we're going to leave that open and just a little
[20:35] bit to make sure.
[20:38] I would go back to that grant and look at it, see what's required
[20:44] there and I think that you've got your engineering and I think that's part of what was required
[20:52] there and you've got your water savings, but
[20:59] that's what we want as a board for the, you know,
[21:02] we're making sure that projects are going to work so that our funds are well-used.
[21:10] Like we'd
[21:11] support going further.
[21:16] Okay.
[21:20] Anybody else? That's all the other project I was talking about was
[21:27] There was a Fayette Irrigation Company, they have finalized the application, but their
[21:32] first canal piping was the other project they could have done.
[21:34] And I did receive a phone call from Swan Richard, I think it was Richard Swan up in Hydeway
[21:45] Valley in New York area, and they're lucky at putting in a drink of water well and laterals
[21:59] whole thing. And I suggested that they go to drinking water. I have no idea where I'm going or what
[22:07] I'm doing. I said, well, get a hold of drinking water. Contact them. They will be able to tell you
[22:13] everything you need to do because you have to work with them because we won't fund anything that is not up to their
[22:22] specifications. So that's what I told him. And SRF is not overly burned right now. You
[22:29] could go get an SRF from drinking water. Yeah, but he wants grant, but everybody wants
[22:36] grant. You know, but I said if you're if you're as poor and everything you hear say you
[22:41] are, you might, you can get a zero interest loan, which you can't complain about.
[22:46] Are these getting a little better than paying up from an apartment?
[22:50] Yep, so we'll see if that comes.
[22:53] That's the only one I'm aware of.
[22:55] Well, along that line, Justin has sent me the sheriff's sale
[23:02] of a bunch of water rights out there in that same area
[23:06] for auction by the sheriff.
[23:08] So I was going on, but I had six pages of water rights
[23:13] that were available, so I was going to report
[23:14] on that next time you see if there's any. Yeah. Just to track them because I bet they
[23:21] get then get involved with some change applications.
[23:25] Yep and that's really out of our drainage but
[23:29] it's not out of our own. It's in the county. It's in the county but it drains into Utah like it's
[23:34] Utah like drainage once it gets over hilltop but we're still involved with that area because
[23:42] as a county line,
[23:48] so.
[23:49] Most times, you don't have to pay for the rest of the year.
[23:53] Oh, you can leave, you can say, you're wherever or to do whatever.
[23:56] You're welcome to stay, but most guys take off
[23:59] when their business is done, so.
[24:00] But you don't have to, I mean, hang out for a little while.
[24:14] Our chain application, nothing's changed there.
[24:17] Monitoring have changed applications.
[24:20] Did you guys talk about, I mean,
[24:23] I know it's said then that we went to the hearing.
[24:28] Do you receive letters from water rights on log one bike?
[24:33] Right?
[24:34] One of you.
[24:35] I don't see anything.
[24:37] Okay.
[24:38] But what we need to know, you need to open them and look at them and make sure that there's
[24:45] no hearing so that we have it.
[24:49] I haven't seen one like that, but I haven't.
[24:51] and say, because that one should have, we should have got a letter for that hearing, but
[24:56] and really caught it because I flagged it. You can go in the water right now.
[25:01] So from now on, when you open them, just look and make sure if there's a notice of a hearing
[25:09] and a letter smell. And look, is it on the front of it usually? Notice a hearing, because you're
[25:16] I don't see what these letters can notice or renew or because most of them are just correspondence
[25:22] back from the division right that's what I've mostly seen but just look a little more closer
[25:30] to make sure that we're not missing hearings and stuff because it sure looks bad if we don't
[25:35] show up to a hearing yeah okay but yeah okay and if we have more notice than we can have more
[25:42] communication because you were down there you could have just been in that
[25:46] that I didn't need to drive down there. Yeah so when I didn't know that you
[25:52] remember oh that was the legacy yeah I just gonna look up see what they have
[25:57] for your address to make sure it's going to the right place. Well there all this
[26:01] is coming it's all coming to our new mail box yeah it's all coming to our new
[26:05] mailbox which is great because everything is there's nothing coming you personally
[26:12] any more, right? It's all coming through the district.
[26:14] Right, welcome to the, about since you've
[26:16] been going with it. So, everything, I think that's great. So, it's all working.
[26:20] We just have a look at a little closer and make sure that we don't miss a hearing.
[26:27] Maybe they never told you the latter.
[26:30] Well, maybe they didn't, but they're usually when you protest, you get a,
[26:35] they're not sending an email.
[26:38] No, they usually do it by letter. They usually do it letter. They're still old school.
[26:47] But yeah, just make sure it has happened. Sometimes the letter doesn't get to you. So you can then say, hey,
[26:58] if we want to add something to it, then they keep the record open because we did receive our letter.
[27:03] So,
[27:11] Brian sent out Saturday noon of list of the change applications that we have in the county
[27:21] and the ones that were considering you want to go over them.
[27:26] Yeah, so there's only three this time.
[27:29] One is just one acre foot moving from the Sandpitch River to an irrigation well.
[27:36] I think it's a well right by their house.
[27:40] So an irrigation well, not a drinking water?
[27:43] It says the purpose is irrigation.
[27:49] The next one is devil's pass.
[27:51] Water rights move from the sand pitch.
[27:54] It is for one acre foot, but it does say irrigation
[27:56] and domestic.
[27:59] And then the other one is M&M moving from.
[28:04] This one I don't think we need to protest.
[28:06] It's moving water from one ditch into the M&M company. It's all surface. It's not moving it too, but well
[28:13] You're not increasing your acreage
[28:17] Well, you think since 1956 I get this right
[28:22] Well, I mean I I knew you would know the answer to that
[28:26] That was a big one. It was like 13 CFS
[28:28] But it was like you're just move up from one ditch to another. It's already been there from one ditch to another
[28:33] I don't want to make down what they got the day travel, so we have to refile.
[28:39] And this has only been going on, I think it's not in 1956.
[28:43] We've been working on the narrows since the 20s, you know how you have a speedy one, how you have a speedy one.
[28:50] So that's the one out there, that's the one out there, that's the one out there.
[28:52] I was just trying to get the day to try the dates of the diversion.
[28:58] I saw it, like I said, I wasn't going to point any fingers, but it is M&M and it was from
[29:02] a ditch to a ditch.
[29:02] So yeah, but like I knew who was on the board that has water in him and so I thought I could just ask the question
[29:11] And then I need to tell us he had a conflict anyway. Once I got you know once we get into this if we decided to do something
[29:19] So yeah, the the other two is if you want to protest them. They're small ones and one acre foot rides
[29:25] But they are moving from surface to well
[29:30] So does the
[29:32] does it still have a on date and off date on an irrigation well and like a
[29:37] domestic where they can pump all year long or on irrigation it does domestic is
[29:42] your right with with this one that would be the case the one would be year round
[29:47] right and the other one would be an irrigation season or what was the irrigation
[29:51] season I didn't even look at that I didn't even put a first set October 3 it would be the same as their previous and they're they're going
[30:00] I think right now, October 15th, their original warite is 1.31 acre feet, and they're going to 1 acre foot. Yeah. So they took a slight trim on their conversion, probably for river losses. And this is the sand pitch near Mount Pleasant. Yeah.
[30:27] No, but we're done with the, we're looking at the other, the culinary ones.
[30:32] Oh, sorry.
[30:32] Sorry.
[30:32] I pulled up the devil's pass one.
[30:34] Okay.
[30:34] Yeah.
[30:35] That one's devil's passes just north of Fairview.
[30:38] The problem we had with devil passes is they do not let it down the sand.
[30:44] That one or their transfer.
[30:49] They don't reduce their diversion, but they have a hard time physically changing their
[30:58] diversion.
[31:00] You're supposed to take a little less than they don't.
[31:03] So when they transfer, they just leave it in and keep using it.
[31:10] The other one is 1 acre foot to 1 acre foot.
[31:13] But it's irrigation irrigation, it's not domestic.
[31:16] That's why you have the haircut usually.
[31:19] I mean, personally, I think we should protest for them, but that's just me.
[31:25] So, well, irrigation irrigation skill, they're going from surface to underground, is it going
[31:32] from inconsistent to a consistent usage?
[31:36] Look at this usage, and I don't know anything about how things work up there, I mean, are
[31:44] Are they getting their one acre foot every year?
[31:50] No, they will after this is approved.
[31:56] Remember the proposal last year was,
[31:59] wait proposed to move all of Gunnison Reservoir into a well.
[32:03] Remember from that same proposal you got.
[32:06] And when I was getting really close to doing it,
[32:08] I think I'll talk to Nate to see if he'll help me.
[32:11] Okay, back to our right, we saw you don't like the side meetings today.
[32:18] I've been told that I need to be more efficient at running meetings, so I'm trying to do
[32:23] a better job.
[32:24] But that is not what you were told.
[32:26] You, you're not the only person that talks to me.
[32:29] You were told that we finished faster.
[32:32] That was what we were told.
[32:33] Yeah, but I'm not here, so I'm trying to do a better job.
[32:36] Well, I mean, so to me, like, I really want to understand, you know, as we protest these, you know, the very specific rationale, and so this first one, the rationale here is, is there's just no way there's no way they're getting their full right now.
[32:51] I'm probably not even getting water now, the truth being no longer my guess.
[32:56] They have to probably have that water all year, and that's where you're doing this.
[33:01] Because there's a trend started.
[33:04] And then the second one, I sit there in the same boat, they're at least taking a little bit
[33:08] of a haircut.
[33:09] Yeah, they're like, they're getting my 5% is what they should be doing.
[33:15] Well, but on average, if you took a 20 year average, they're probably 50% over 20 years.
[33:20] if that. I think you're getting benefit of the data. So that's one way to
[33:27] expand the water right right there. Yep. If you guys tell me I will protest it
[33:34] because the deadline's tomorrow. I'll make a motion that we protest. Okay. I will
[33:39] second the motion that we protest both change applications A5 4 816 and A5 4
[33:47] eight five three okay sure you don't want to do eight five four eight four you
[33:55] got three. That one appears to not be expanding any water rights. It is from our
[34:09] analysis it was just cleaning up and then already existing system. Stapering what's
[34:15] being done in practice. So, yeah, so based on that, I wouldn't see the rationale
[34:21] protesting it. Okay. All in favor? Aye. Aye.
[34:26] Any opposed? Okay. Motion carried.
[34:30] It would be nice to see both of them show historical documentation as to the actual delivery
[34:36] over the past 15 to 20 years. We can get that out of the, um,
[34:40] We can introduce a meeting that's all there,
[34:47] it's substantiate, yeah, substantiate, why they should, why they should be getting guaranteed one acre foot going forward.
[34:57] If the historical meeting does not meet that.
[35:02] okay
[35:06] anything else so
[35:17] they're brought up last time that maybe we should start
[35:21] looking at some of the well-to-well changes applications we'd
[35:29] bring those
[35:29] before the board we put that on our notice to track they're just working this
[35:33] time okay so let's if you're in the process of doing that and everything because I
[35:41] know that. What criteria are you filtering for? What brought that up if I remember right
[35:48] is there's some of these miles down the county that are secondary water rights. Supplementary
[35:55] water rights that through history have become primary water rights through habit. And it's
[36:05] only supplementary and some of that started to get transferred and having a primary use
[36:10] That's where that conversation comes.
[36:12] No, I'm fine with it.
[36:14] I just, I do know that, you know, we've got this groundwater study.
[36:20] And are we filtering specifically for that then?
[36:22] As of last on the primary?
[36:25] Well, that's what the discussion came from because we had one water right that was
[36:29] historically it was supplemental and then they had changed a well and they were moving the well.
[36:34] And so we're like, wait, that was kind of a lesser water right to begin with.
[36:38] How come now it's a higher?
[36:39] That's going to be a primary full-time, right?
[36:42] You'll get your full-water supply versus people who they're shut off when it was in
[36:47] bases based on water coming from the river.
[36:50] It was very rude.
[36:53] So will that be the defining criteria of what gets flagged?
[36:58] No, there's a lot of criteria we look at, but that's one of the ones we're just...
[37:02] Well, there's a lot of good flags we brought to the board.
[37:08] What we're looking at is just when it's a well-to-well, what was the base water
[37:27] I think it's good now where the groundwater study is I mean our model and everything
[37:36] to where we can start plugging some of this information into that model and seeing
[37:43] how it looks and works. I do know that over in my area, there's several homes that are dry now.
[37:56] Just this year? Yeah, more this year, yeah.
[37:59] Dry because they're second air? Yep, because the water, the groundwater dropped.
[38:05] So what do they do? They're hauling the water.
[38:08] You look at a whole water, do you think?
[38:10] Well, I just wonder if it's real or if we're just thinking what's going on?
[38:14] No, no, this is documented.
[38:19] It's legit.
[38:20] It's legit that wells are going dry.
[38:22] I don't know where you are in Spring City on any of those outside of Spring City.
[38:29] Well, there's so many factors to why well go to dry.
[38:33] Exactly, that's why we have the model ready, but it's all location specific when you
[38:38] apply it because you recharge your ground water level or all highly site specific.
[38:49] Yeah, I mean, you can drill a well and not have good water and fill a well 100 feet away
[38:54] and hit a good scene.
[38:56] Yeah.
[38:56] So I'm going to go dry.
[38:57] It's not because the aquifer went down, it says there's not a bad scene.
[39:02] well, it depends on.
[39:06] I'll probably add a little bit more water to it now, but it doesn't need to be a bit
[39:12] of water.
[39:18] winter you don't have the recharge. You don't have any recharge and then you've got a lot more
[39:24] irrigation wells running this year so it's pulling a lot more water and like yeah like
[39:29] except there's a variety of factors but the model is completed the base model you know for all the
[39:35] inflows and things and the period of record are all entered so now it's available to me specific
[39:45] So when are we going to take some time to really
[39:57] look at this model and decide how to educate
[40:01] us on educated people and how it works and how we can use the lives of and see it in action?
[40:08] two ways. One is if there's a particular change application and one look at
[40:12] see if there's impacts because you see the well impact. Secondly is we talked
[40:19] about talking to all the stakeholders, you know, that's why we had the
[40:22] original meeting, and get a county-wide kind of needs and basis, you know, lose
[40:27] water, rich, choose water, or what can we do to use that model to evaluate those
[40:36] needs and so the next one is if it's all right that the board's okay the phase
[40:43] two would be then collect and get a policy you know get the stakeholders at
[40:47] all that's why we have that beginning meeting at the college talk there then and
[40:53] say this is what our future forecast needs are and with the county and then and then
[40:58] use the model to evaluate those needs and say well over that's okay that's
[41:04] can be a problem. Spring City will have to send water to Fairview, because they can't
[41:10] get it or Maroni, you know, is okay. We'll have to limit both the source and then
[41:18] that's what I would say when you can do that, but that's the phase two we said.
[41:22] Okay, and so we need to set up a meeting like we had before, and also I think it would be
[41:29] be very good and justice is not here because he ran into problems, but I think it would be
[41:36] good to have this on our wet day as one of the-
[41:39] That's what I was thinking.
[41:40] So is it something that we can't go through as a board to have an understanding of it before
[41:44] that?
[41:45] We can.
[41:46] Well, I think we, I've got to say, and I'm saying we can take it out to the public, but we
[41:50] as a board need to understand this model to where you feel comfortable with it so that when
[41:56] you get questions and the bigger state holders or the county as the public
[42:02] itself starts asking you could say you know this is what it does it doesn't do
[42:06] this and we can do this we can we can look at your small drainage and we can
[42:13] give you a pretty good idea of what's happening. Let me pose this next board
[42:18] many men I will bring our modeling groundwater person you can explain the whole
[42:24] model and show you what the results are to that would be so that you are informed to answer
[42:29] questions which then what day would be two board means after that basically right yeah I would
[42:35] like that because then we can see we can poke a few holes in that well you know and we didn't have
[42:40] any we have enough for one day I mean you what's his name brought it in the shoulders then then
[42:48] and show this, but now that it's complete, right?
[42:53] Yep.
[42:53] Unless we find something that needs to be adjusted,
[42:56] but that's just part of how things work.
[42:58] Yeah, and that's if we find better data and newer data,
[43:00] then we'll add it into it.
[43:02] So.
[43:03] All right, I will schedule that and get us,
[43:07] we'll carve out some time on the next agenda.
[43:10] If you'll give that, we'll do a presentation of the board
[43:11] and take questions.
[43:13] So board members, the question is, do we
[43:17] We want to have a work session before our board meeting to do this in, or do we want to
[43:25] do it during our board meeting, or a work session after.
[43:29] How long are they going to take?
[43:33] It's going to take at least half an hour.
[43:35] I bet they're longer than I thought they'd say.
[43:38] I'm thinking you're going to be an hour of time you get the discussion going.
[43:41] Half an hour of presentation, there's been 15, 20 minutes to half hour for questions.
[43:45] So we're adding an hour to the board meeting and I think it's going to be a fast-gold
[43:50] AR.
[43:52] Well, can you come earlier?
[43:54] Can you stay later?
[43:55] Stay right here.
[43:56] Okay.
[43:57] I mean, I'm just asking because, and if you guys don't, you know, don't want to stay later,
[44:05] you can be excused.
[44:07] you find modeling of surface water flow fascinating yeah well but I mean I just we're going to
[44:17] talk about Darcy's lawn we talked about the radiance going to be you know you're going to have to
[44:23] go this down that was the dumb down well keep working okay so we're good on that and we'll just
[44:32] plan that way. I know what I heard and I know what you mean. So now we got to have
[44:48] a discussion because our board meeting starts at 6.30. If we want this for a word, we'll
[44:58] We'll be through everything else in 30 minutes.
[45:02] Okay.
[45:05] We better close the meeting.
[45:12] Well,
[45:17] I mean, I think we should plan to have the one portion at the end, so that anybody who's here for other stuff, they don't need to stay, but they are welcome to stay. I mean, to this.
[45:34] public means.
[45:38] Okay, outreach and education.
[45:44] Anything? How's our website stuff coming up?
[45:47] I guess I should ask. How's our website stuff coming up? Well, you know what it's like.
[45:52] It's up and running, so that's great. It's up and running. Okay, you can go on and access it.
[45:58] I've got two things I can add to that. As we've got two little, doesn't require
[46:03] coding I have them on my website right now and they're just little we can put
[46:10] them on the website and it shows one is it just as a summary of all the
[46:14] projects and then one shows a map and how much has been completed and it shows
[46:20] a map of where the projects are in a little summary. So that's already great
[46:24] to go to the website. I think that'd be good. That would really show that we're doing
[46:29] Yeah, so we have a public and just right now he hasn't set up where it links to my company's website and then that's on
[46:36] I have just a sample water page and so that's on there, but we've thought let's remove the one middle step and have it just be as a
[46:43] Click on. Yeah, because that's what we want our web page to be
[46:46] Look at it. They can literally just
[46:50] Reference each other that way we update it as we get projects and
[46:54] So I don't know if Scott was here, but I was trying to reserve the room for wet day and he
[47:01] trying to get that code. So we just get the discount. And then he caught them. They were asking if we were a really county entities and we get it for free or we are for not.
[47:16] No, we're counting, we're counting, except for the county commissioners, so I mean, but we're, I mean, we're fine-paying, too, but there's a discount for public entities.
[47:27] If you were like a non-profit, but if you're a county entity, we just give this a free, so ask.
[47:34] If you don't want a county entity, I want them to decide.
[47:37] Yeah, because we are a dot, dot, we are a county entity.
[47:41] He got me and I said, well, I can tell it's the San Pete show. We are counting
[47:53] Trying to get the application in the stuff and put down the
[47:57] We are going to have a go for the test.
[48:00] Yeah.
[48:01] All right.
[48:02] It doesn't totally get me.
[48:03] She would ask him.
[48:04] I'm out.
[48:05] I'm out.
[48:06] Have him ask.
[48:07] He'll fill him in.
[48:08] I'm meeting.
[48:10] He's been winding down.
[48:12] He'll come back wearing fancy clothes and stuff.
[48:14] All right.
[48:17] Okay.
[48:18] Anything else on outreach and education?
[48:24] All right.
[48:24] Did they get this gender?
[48:26] You got this gender kind of put together?
[48:28] I think Justin's getting it put together, you know, he's working on his vendors, right?
[48:33] That's what he's working on now, and trying to figure out how we can get vendors.
[48:40] We'll learn to have a little fly a bit to give to these businesses, because you're trying
[48:46] to explain it to them, and they don't understand.
[48:49] Yeah. Just a blank one. Yeah. Maybe we're just not helping the right people, but okay.
[49:03] And something to get out to the irrigation company. Yeah. What's the best way to get it to your
[49:09] irrigation company, do you think? Yeah, both of your irrigation companies. How would you get
[49:15] information on this, receive it? How would you like to receive it? I just said that's my email.
[49:28] We can put it in the sample whatever the messenger no the one that comes out the pyramid
[49:50] It goes to everybody in the county and we can if you don't reach out person contact
[49:57] their nation companies we know that but we're going to do it on multiple levels we
[50:04] will reach out but I work with Justin we got what we put it all the emails
[50:09] because for their data and this is a work in progress it'll grow okay there's
[50:22] Nothing really on the narrows other than we're in another lawsuit because we love lawsuits
[50:32] Okay, I set out an email to everyone. I did receive
[50:37] For weapons the miniatured work. Oh, yeah, that's right
[50:42] One from them in engineering and one from Biowest one is for 16,000 and the others for like seven
[50:51] 7,600. So it's just under half. But for that scale of work, BiOS is the firm who
[51:00] did all the work before. They included more field work days, more mapping, and more time
[51:06] to get with the core. Being that this is essentially going to the core and it's going to be the
[51:09] basis for doing our permitting. If the board is okay, I would like to approve the BiOS
[51:15] one.
[51:18] And they don't have one day of field work, and so...
[51:23] Because bilewester was the first one that was in the email, or was that...
[51:26] It was the bigger one.
[51:28] It was the bigger cost.
[51:30] Yeah, it was the PDF, the other one was the word five.
[51:33] Okay.
[51:35] Good.
[51:35] And they have the data from the last time.
[51:38] They do, and they've been up there several times before.
[51:40] They did the delineation before.
[51:41] but they have, in their estimate of what it's going to take, I think, more closer to what's
[51:48] going to take to deal with the core. The other one did what we asked for, but it's just
[51:53] the bare minimum. It is, they have one day of field work and then they're writing a report.
[51:59] I think we're going to have tweets, we're going to have follow-ups, we're going to have conversations
[52:03] with the core and we're going to need a good partner for that science because what the
[52:09] course codes as they basically, for the reservoir of these 404 permits, they want a new EIS
[52:17] that core-based EIS.
[52:21] Of course they do.
[52:22] Yeah.
[52:24] This is 4th, 1st, 1st, 1st, 1st, 1st.
[52:26] Virgin and 1st.
[52:28] Those were very reclamation EIS and even though they were cooperating agencies.
[52:32] is, anyway, this removes that obstacle, and I think our person you're going to select
[52:40] is going to be working on a lot of other tasks to get that from you to the self.
[52:45] Well, and I mean, even if we went with the other one, they would say, well, this is what
[52:50] we agreed on. This is what was in the contract. Exactly. And therefore, we have all this out
[52:58] an expense, so it's going to be this much per day, this much per hour, I think it'll be more.
[53:05] These guys, they said it's going to be 210 hour days to go to the fieldwork. We're going to do
[53:10] the mapping, especially. These guys just said they'd rather afford not mapping.
[53:14] The mapping is how we're going to prove our data to the core. We're going to say that.
[53:18] Well, yeah, that's what we have to do. And especially with the high water mark and the flood plain and
[53:25] all that. So you prefer the bio waste. I think that's closer and be it's getting even
[53:35] though it's almost double. It's going to be when you're done, you're going to spend
[53:42] the same amount money and they seem to understand the issues up front. And that is who we've used
[53:49] before. And they are familiar with your product and have been up here before. Well, then
[53:52] The way they work this is, the total project cost is actually exceed 16K.
[53:58] That was to say also if they do it cheaper they will spend less.
[54:04] So they're already taking into account contingencies.
[54:08] Yeah, and you can see they've broken out of them.
[54:10] Yeah, they've broken out into three different sections.
[54:15] So I'll make a motion that we hire my own way.
[54:20] Yeah, I would just add them as a sub-pensal, the two are existing.
[54:24] I'm going to go to the self-project or narrow.
[54:27] Second?
[54:28] Second, stand.
[54:30] All in favor?
[54:31] All right.
[54:32] Thank you.
[54:32] Okay.
[54:34] So take care of that.
[54:39] Okay.
[54:40] Anything from the public?
[54:43] Yeah, so last month I was going to brought out what I do is the important stuff.
[54:47] So also working in the program and processing wealth of well-change applications.
[54:54] I set out to bring some examples this month and I don't even look at change applications
[55:00] within the horseshoe.
[55:01] You know, and I don't think that horseshoe juice area is any different than the entire
[55:09] sample area is 65.
[55:12] And so I mean this three, I mean I protested on.
[55:16] but I think there's huge value to the district protesting as well.
[55:22] And I talked to Hayden Cunningham down, Richfield,
[55:26] and expressed my concern about how do you dry out?
[55:30] So if you're going from a well,
[55:33] as they're getting this ground,
[55:35] you move it to...
[55:37] And then to say the well was supplemental
[55:41] to land that was adjudicated in the culture group.
[55:44] To me, it's supplemental. If it's water in the same grounds as the UK, it's supplementary.
[55:51] In nature. So if you move that, the ground has never been water, and it was not in a cost decree, you're going to increase your acreage.
[55:59] And so I ask, hey, does it? How do you account for that? Because you're going to increase your acreage.
[56:04] And he says, if it is a supplemental water right, they won't approve it.
[56:10] which I don't believe, because I see an approved supplemental model.
[56:13] He hasn't wanted to get out of it.
[56:15] There's a well below Mount Pleasant.
[56:17] There was supplemental to Pleasant Creek.
[56:20] And then, I mean, there's certificate that was issued for the appropriation.
[56:26] It specifically says in here that it was supplemental to Pleasant Creek's shares.
[56:32] So it's a supplemental model.
[56:33] Well, the vision of it is approved.
[56:36] 18 change applications off of that well, and no grounds been right now, and the majority
[56:42] of those wells are on for new homes in areas that was never watered.
[56:48] The other examples in Spring City, there was a well-drills of supplemental well within
[56:55] city limits.
[56:56] It was part of the severe river decree, there was supplemental related change of application
[57:02] to move it to some other ground that was within the subvariable adjudication, which is fine.
[57:08] But then they've recently done a third change application to now move it
[57:13] to ground that has never been water. So I protested it on the basis of how you're going to see
[57:19] the watering of that ground when you're moving it from ground that has a primary water right
[57:25] and you're moving it to ground that has never been watered. You're increasing your adjudication.
[57:30] And just this last week, the third example is there's another, and there are wells, the
[57:36] flowing wells.
[57:37] And again, it's supplemental to the severity of the creed.
[57:41] They file 12 change applications just this week, moving from that flowing well to 12
[57:49] homes, and those flowing wells are supplement.
[57:54] I was going to bring that up, that's before, I agree with your assessment.
[58:00] In the old days, it was, you had 40 anchor pieces, it was watered by a canal, and then
[58:06] it had a supplemental well, some late season, or if the canal didn't, then you used supplemental,
[58:12] and it was all a mixed bag.
[58:14] You had them all together.
[58:15] And then the stage started peeling them apart and giving five acres went to the well, 35
[58:21] five acres one to the, you know, that's how they went forward. And that's not how supplemental
[58:26] rights were treated in the decrees. And I agree here, it's been any acreage that way.
[58:31] Yeah, and a lot of these wells, they weren't filing, they weren't documented, it's supplemental.
[58:38] But if you look at them, it's obvious they were supplemental because they're supplementing
[58:43] acreage that was adjudicated in the cost of decree. So how could it not be supplemental?
[58:50] The one from the Mount Pleasant Well is specifically stated in the certificate from the appropriation
[58:56] that it was supplemented.
[58:58] The other two examples, it does specifically state and the one to deal just claim, I can
[59:04] know them both deal just claims, and deal just claims to never get, but then they'll be
[59:10] certified, they'll never get evaluated, they'll never get approved, they're just, I follow
[59:16] application because I can say that I've been using this water but now you're changing
[59:21] that diligence claim which is supplemental to ground that was part of the river
[59:26] decree and now you're moving that from a part-time supplemental to a full-time
[59:34] domestic and I think if the district does not protest those I think you're
[59:45] has much potential to increase the adjudication as service water to wells.
[59:56] Yeah, and that should be a part of it, and we could protest that because we said...
[1:00:00] And if you're moving to a different place, then you've got to document your retirement. The
[1:00:07] protest in this last report that moving it from irrigated acreage, the service by horse irrigation
[1:00:14] to ground it has never been watered. Yeah. I think the division should make the applicant
[1:00:22] going to show up front, the ground is going to be dry.
[1:00:27] The problem with the division is they say in the approval
[1:00:31] that you have to see the wording and see from watering
[1:00:34] this ground, but they never follow up on it.
[1:00:36] Because that's going to be a certificate then
[1:00:39] it's supposed to be all done, but it's never really
[1:00:41] document.
[1:00:42] When they proof it, it's supposed to be done going to prove.
[1:00:46] And they never proof of.
[1:00:47] They never show in the proof that the ground was.
[1:00:50] So, as well as Cap, the ground, yeah.
[1:00:55] There's, for example, there's one, I concluded these on the summer sheet I sent you.
[1:01:01] There's a gentleman by Captain Worthington, he has eight change applications, they're
[1:01:06] all for one.
[1:01:06] Wow.
[1:01:07] Well, there was just eight in this last period.
[1:01:09] There's probably four or more.
[1:01:11] You got eight.
[1:01:12] All 12 were for the same thing.
[1:01:13] Yeah, okay.
[1:01:14] Oh, that's maybe Mike's print sheet.
[1:01:17] Not anyway.
[1:01:18] They protest them all but and they're moving well the well and I hadn't gone through what the basis was
[1:01:24] But I suspected they were inside that's why I left them on the sheet fees, but they're showing well the well
[1:01:29] So under the current criteria you would protest
[1:01:33] But I use that last step, I use the full memory for you to order
[1:01:36] Well, that's what now we voted and we changed the look of that
[1:01:40] I'm gonna look at the biggest thing that we did change that last week
[1:01:43] Yeah, but I don't I don't think it changed last week because it wasn't on the agenda
[1:01:46] and that's why it was on the agenda.
[1:01:48] Okay.
[1:01:50] That's why you change it.
[1:01:51] That's why you change it.
[1:01:52] Well, we have to discuss it.
[1:01:54] We have to discuss it.
[1:01:55] We have to discuss it.
[1:01:57] We need a motion to look at evaluate and protest.
[1:02:05] Well, the well-to-well applications, depending on.
[1:02:11] And we need our criteria.
[1:02:12] Flag, disappointments.
[1:02:14] Yep, the criteria we have they're based on supplementary or they're what's their initial basis
[1:02:20] And I would say if it appears that it's potential supplementary
[1:02:25] I would go by putting the protest that it appears up on the goal and make them prove that it's not yep
[1:02:32] It's easier just to say that that way you're part of the record. Yes
[1:02:39] That was my mistake, so we need emotion
[1:02:58] I think what you want to say is you want a motion to go test wealth well applications that
[1:03:07] meet the criteria that we as a board of set up.
[1:03:13] That means we can wiggle that and make that wiggle.
[1:03:16] You can change the direction as we film you.
[1:03:18] Yes, we need.
[1:03:19] I'll second it.
[1:03:21] Okay.
[1:03:22] Do we need to pacify the supplementary staffing?
[1:03:29] Well, that's why he said it's based on direction you give.
[1:03:32] And right now, that is the cases of the supplementary criteria.
[1:03:36] And that's a little open-ended so we can adapt and change a little.
[1:03:41] That's very much suggested.
[1:03:44] So, any question on the motion or anything?
[1:03:49] Any discussion, I should say?
[1:03:59] I think this is really important that we do this kind of stuff, I think it's important
[1:04:07] that it's coming from the district.
[1:04:10] I hope it has a value, but I guess time won't tell us.
[1:04:15] Well, you don't protest that it just the state will just ignore you if you can just let it happen.
[1:04:22] But I think that's what I'm saying.
[1:04:24] Someone's got to bring that for the forefront.
[1:04:27] I think we should have a little, especially with your study and everything.
[1:04:34] I think it's important that we do this.
[1:04:36] I think this is all fitting together on what our responsibility and duty is aboard and we're
[1:04:44] getting the tools, better tools so that we have better information so our protests can
[1:04:50] be more refined on what we're protesting and then the division will have to decide if they
[1:05:00] going to answer to our protest or but we'll be on the record and then if something comes
[1:05:04] up down the road 20 years from now this board and I wouldn't be an active year to go yeah I mean
[1:05:14] that should have been happening forever but it'll get us to where whoever is on this board
[1:05:20] that this board has the power and authority to continue with legal actions on those issues so okay
[1:05:33] There isn't anything else, we
[1:05:38] need to probably go into a closed session, so we need to make that motion.
[1:05:46] We'll make a motion that we go into a closed session to discuss upcoming litigation.
[1:05:56] There, for each that goes along.
[1:06:02] Thank you, gentlemen.
[1:06:04] Thank you.
[1:06:05] Thank you.
[1:06:06] Thank you so much.
[1:06:11] So, we had a second, right?
[1:06:13] Yes.
[1:06:16] Jason Favour.
[1:06:17] Stan?
[1:06:18] Yes.
[1:06:19] Way to get it.
[1:06:20] Great, yes.
[1:06:21] Matt, yes.
[1:06:22] Okay.
[1:06:23] We're going out of the blue, open it, and then close.