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>> This is the regular meeting of the Santa

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Barbara City Council, August 11th, 2026.

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Would you please join me in the pledge

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of allegiance?

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>> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America, to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation

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under God, indivisible, indivisible,

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liberty and justice for all. Amen.

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>> Madam clerk, would you call the role,

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please?

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Certainly. Council member Friedman here.

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>> Council member Santa Maria

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>> here.

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>> Council member Gutierrez

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>> present.

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>> Mayor Rouse

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>> here.

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>> Mayor PMston

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>> here.

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>> Uh, council member Harmon not yet

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present. Council member Harmon present.

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>> Kind of present.

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>> And council member Jordan not present.

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>> I present.

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>> Okay. Very good. Uh, madam

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administrator, are there any changes to

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the agenda?

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>> Yes, mayor. A couple changes on the

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consent calendar. Uh, staff has

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requested to remove items two and three.

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Um there's still some changes being

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negotiated with the lease holders. So we

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wanted to remove those for a future

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date. Um and then again, as we've done

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in prior meetings, we will do pulled

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consent items before general public

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comment.

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>> All right. Thank you very much. And with

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that, uh we will move to the consent

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calendar. Do you have some items to

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read, Madam Clerk?

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>> Obviously not two or three.

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>> You don't? Okay, that's a new one. Uh so

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um I will uh then uh if are there any

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comments or um things that need to be

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pulled for separate vote or comment?

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Are there any uh online speakers for

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consent items?

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» Uh no raised hands for consent. Mr.

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>> thank you very much. With that, I'll

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entertain a motion on items one, four,

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and one, and four.

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>> So move.

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>> Moved by Freriedman, second by Snedden.

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>> We have the vote, please.

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>> Very good. This is a motion for the

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recommended items, recommended actions

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for items one and four. U motion by

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council member Friedman, seconded by

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Mayor Prom Snedden. Please go ahead and

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Thank you. Passes unanimously with 620

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without the items two and three which

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since our no poll consent items. has

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three minutes at the dis for anything

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that is not on today's agenda but within

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the purview of this body and we'll start

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out with Mark Redmond.

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» Hey, I hope everybody had a great

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fiesta. I sure did. I went all the

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nights and it was fantastic at St.

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Barber's Church. Oh, you need to turn

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the volume down. Sorry, I'm a little

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loud. lost a little hearing being a

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railroad engineer.

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Two longs, a short and a long crossing,

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you're fired and wave that flag. That's

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Union Pacific symbol. Ours was Chico

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when it was Santa Fe. And then when it

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was Burlington Northern, I called it the

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brand new the brand new Santa Fe. They

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gave me notebooks to write down. My

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train manifest to make sure I didn't

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have hazardous nicks to those dangerous

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and blow the town up if I did derailed.

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This was on the side of the bus in June.

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Woo! The college kids paid for $375.

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Could not be political, but I do have a

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podcast to get kids off of.

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And other drugs off cotton, all those

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barbituates,

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telling you. And I tell them, don't you

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dare get off your program. Be committed.

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And if I see you in the papers, you're

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dead. That's cuz you got weak and you

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went back to those stupid drugs. And I'm

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wanting to give the police $100 for

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everybody they find on Santa Barbara

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streets selling those dirty cocaines,

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heroins, and those pills that look like

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candy. And it's ecstasy, and it's death,

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not ecstasy. Those mollies, forget it.

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Now, I got some things to say. I got to

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collect some more signatures. Some

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college kids gave me fake names and

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addresses. And Sarah says I got to go

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out and get about I don't know, maybe 60

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more to make sure I got a hundred good

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ones. So, I've been going door to door.

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I got 50 yesterday. And um my girlfriend

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gave me this stud muffin. I don't know

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why what that means.

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Maybe maybe Joanne does stud muffin.

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Okay. No donate no donations to Mark

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Redmond. I'm running a uh campaign on

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next to nothing door hangers. I got

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Jonathan Thompson, political science

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major, UC Santa Barbara Gauchos. He's my

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campaign manager. And I ran into one of

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Wendy Santa Maria's uh supporters

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yesterday when I was out on the street

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and she said, "I'm not voting for you,

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Mark. I'm not writing my name down and

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my address cuz I'm voting for Wendy cuz

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she's black like me." I said, "Wait a

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minute. I think Wendy's is kind of like

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me. Hines's 57. I'm mostly Irish, 69%.

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The rest is German, a little bit

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English, a little bit of Scottish."

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Anyway, so all I know is there's been

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over 500,000 deaths in the last five

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years in America alone. You can't count

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it in the world, it's probably about 5

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million. And so I went out last night.

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Look at this. I'm telling you, Sarah,

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I'll turn in names tomorrow night before

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5 and I'll get on the ballot. I'll be a

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candidate just like Wendy, Kristen, and

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Ry's not running. So, um, it'll be Eric

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Freriedman and he's probably in the lead

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right now because we took a straw poll a

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couple months ago and he had 42%. I only

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had 28%. We went I had the college kids

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go up on the hill city college the

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gauchos out at Isa Vista and in word in

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downtown and I am hoping I will be the

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best mayor ever.

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>> I will bring

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>> happiness and and you know what I didn't

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even get to do my flamingo.

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>> Okay. Thanks thanks for the dance. Okay.

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Uh next speaker is Aaron Duffy.

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>> Come in here. Aaron call in all errands.

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» I'm sorry I'm a little

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>> Thank you Mark. I got this one. Thank

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you.

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>> I don't think I'm obnoxious, though. Am

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I?

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>> I'm a Spider-Man to pray over here.

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>> Good evening, mayor and city council. My

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name is Aaron Duffy. I'm back here

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again. This time with body cam evidence

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of a chronic systemic violation of

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federal ADA laws by city staff at the

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Santa Barbara Solstice Festival. This

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mismanagement has been ongoing since

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2021 when the parade moved to Santa

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Barbara Street. For years, the city has

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allowed a block required for ADA parking

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to be double used for float

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deconstruction, prioritizing trash over

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civil rights of disabled residents and

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visitors. This year, recovering from my

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ninth surgery and focusing on recovery

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from severe mobility issues, I was

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illegally evicted from this section 5

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minutes before the parade by parking

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enforcement officer Randall Strom. He

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ordered me to move five blocks away and

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didn't understand the big deal, what the

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big deal was about a grueling 10b block

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roundtrip walk. By that time of day,

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parking there or anywhere close was

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non-existent. Staff also turned away

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multiple other valid placard holders.

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When I objected in tears, parks and

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wreck worker Sarah Nolles stated on

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camera that she only put up the ADA

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signs to quote appease some people.

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Quote, I and coldly added that my crying

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wouldn't change the laws while she was

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breaking the laws intended to protect

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disabled people. Meanwhile, Officer

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Strom dismissed my crisis while offering

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up unwanted comments about him liking my

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outfit and that I looked nice before

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ordering me to drive into traffic while

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weeping in pain and anxiety. Santa

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Barbara Police Department Commander

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Beltran, who's investigating my

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complaint, commented that Officer Stro

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sounded nice to me and there's nothing

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nice nor kind about harassment,

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exclusion, or violating my civil rights

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and endangering my life and the public.

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Worse, our ADA coordinator, Brian

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Darmore, is also the full-time city

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engineer, the very department head

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responsible for these failed street

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layouts. Due to this conflict of

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interest, I demand an independent

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investigation by the city administration

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into this six-year operational failure

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and the conduct of Officer Stro and

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Sarah Nolles. My tears do matter and

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they will change things and I need your

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help to fix this or I'll be back again

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and state my public comment every chance

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that I get so this doesn't happen to

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anyone else. I look forward to your

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public response. Thank you so much.

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>> You um Bartell's

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>> hope they don't mess with you next time.

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Dear mayor and city council members, I'm

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here to um ask you for a favor to keep

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our east side clean and professional. We

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have had multiple issues at our address.

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So our parcel faces two parking lots

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from commercial parking I mean to

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commercial uh [snorts] lots and um well

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it's about two years ago since um the

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owner Bob Ludvvic decided to uh divide

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his parking lot into several parcels

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um with ugly marbok fencing and there

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are holes in some of these um there is

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dirt everywhere. He doesn't seem to

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manage that place properly. He hired now

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a new management company, Miramar.

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They're located at 701 Nakappa Street,

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Unit D. And they were not supposedly

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very familiar with the nuisance that has

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been going on now for over two years

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because they just took over. They are

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just there, I guess, to collect the

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rents and send letters out, but we um we

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did some major investigations on this

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property. And it's just coming to the

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point that we're losing faith in our

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city government allowing this to happen

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for that long. I spoke with several of

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you guys and um I feel like it's very

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stagnantly moving forward. We don't need

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dumpsters, tents, and um trash contain.

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I mean, they probably put trash because

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we don't know what's in these

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containers, but they're all rusty, ugly,

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standing up. Several of them, I think,

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are stacked up with two of on top of

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each other. Um yeah, I I sent about 20

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pictures to you to show you what we're

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facing. Um yesterday we spoke with the

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owner of the baiting place who rents one

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of the tents where the ex um the back

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door of Rusty's is and he um he said he

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has a license and he's cutting up fish

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for bait right there. So, about a little

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bit over two years ago, our tenant

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complained about the smell of fish, and

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that was the last time we saw her

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because she moved out. And um I don't

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want to be on the list for vacancies

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because nobody wants to live in our unit

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since we have this parcel looking like

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this next door with the fish smell.

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recently um the um the landscaping

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services owner I don't want to say

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contractor because he doesn't have a

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license who rents from Bob Ludvik um he

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placed a 12ft tall tent against our

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property wall which is only 6t tall so

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it doesn't make you feel like you want

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to be on a patio or terrace if you would

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be a tenant which we don't have

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unfortunately and um I was looking

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yesterday they're dumping their

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leftovers of mango whatever because it's

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actually a food processing business I

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should say that. And they're dumping it

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against our wall. It smells like rotten

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fruit or something with ice cubes mixed

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up. And I feel like there is some time

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that we really need to clean up this

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place. I don't care if it stays empty,

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but what we're looking at is nasty.

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Thank you so much for your time.

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>> Thank you, Joanna Ol.

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» Hi. Good afternoon, honorable mayor and

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council members. My name is Joanne Olen.

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Let's call Measure A exactly what it

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was, a slick trick.

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Back in June, you sold Measure A under

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the guise of modernizing municipal

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property leases. But the second had

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passed, you used those new powers to

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hand over seven prime downtown parcels

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for 0 in land purchase price in the PO

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Noeo deal.

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Now, under item five today, you are

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pulling the exact same move. Letting an

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unelected administrator like Kelly

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McAdoo

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run ruin this city with sloppy staff

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reports you swallow without question.

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You are being handed a blanket citywide

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environmental report, a massive shortcut

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designed by staff that gives corporate

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mega developers an automatic pass to

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skip neighborhood reviews on traffic,

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water, and parking.

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Instead of holding staff accountable and

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forcing speculative real estate

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interests to pay for the massive water

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and sewer pipe upgrades 8,000 new units

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will actually need, you are rubber

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stamping these staff proposals and

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kicking these costs down the road for

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taxpayers to fix when the system breaks.

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You feign surprise at our falling city

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failing city reserves while approving

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every proposal that drains our public

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assets.

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We are heading down a point of no

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return.

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Once you surrender environmental

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oversight

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and liquidate public property on the

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advice of staff, we can never get them

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back.

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You are making the wrong kind of

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history. People won't remember you for

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the times you stood up for us.

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They will remember what that when it

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mattered most, you failed us.

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Stop letting city management steer you

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off a cliff.

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Stop overriding environmental safeguards

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and start doing the oversight job you

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were elected to do.

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taxpayers are watching and we won't

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forget. Thank you. Thank

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>> you. Uh Daniel Zimmerman.

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» Hi. It's a wonderful uh opportunity to

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speak with all of you today. Uh my name

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is Daniel. I am a PhD candidate at UCSB.

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Uh like many Americans, I'm deeply

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concerned with the installation of flock

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cameras in our community. For those who

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do not know, Flock Group Incorporated,

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also known as Flock Safety, is a private

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corporation that sells automatic

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automated license plate recognition or

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ALPR cameras to municipalities, law

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enforcement, and private communities.

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These cameras, known colloially as Flock

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cameras, although there's a couple other

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companies, uh, are nominally to reduce

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crime. However, as is becoming apparent

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to more and more Americans every day,

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these cameras represent a threat to our

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constitutional rights to privacy and our

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encroachment of state surveillance on

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the lives of lawabiding Americans.

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Flock cameras scan every car that drives

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by and using an AI algorithm, Flock

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maintains a database record of every

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car's make, model, color, license plate

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number, bumper stickers, and even

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scratches.

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While less than 1% of cars scanned by

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ALPRs are connected to any crime or

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wrongdoing, the mass installation of

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flock cameras and the collection of

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Americans data by a private corporation

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treats every citizen as a criminal. I

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appreciate all that our local law

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enforcement does every day to keep our

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community safe, but ALPRs are not

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keeping us safe as opposed to providing

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safety. Flock cameras have been misused

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throughout the country to stalk women,

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provide aid to kidnappings by ICE, and

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wrongfully convict innocent citizens of

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crime. This has been well reported in

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the Post, the Times, many papers.

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As your constituent, I urge you to pass

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local legislation that reigns in the use

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of ALPRs.

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Um, in Santa Barbara proper, there are

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19 of these cameras and 38 in the

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greater Santa Barbara metro. These

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cameras track the thousands of cars,

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track thousands of cars that drive by

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every day. It's far too easy for this

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data to be abused and misused.

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You have the power to protect us from

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this big brother surveillance. And that

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starts with passing legislation to

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either ban ALPRs or create strict

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regulations that include the following

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guard rails. Limiting data retention to

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hours or days, not the weeks and months

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that they're kept by a private company.

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uh limiting the amount of information

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that the federal government can use,

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specifically when it's targeting

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immigrants and the most vulnerable in

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our community

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and requiring annual usage reporting and

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placing limits on the availability of

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ALPRs to those in private corporations.

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This is not a Democrat or Republican

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issue. This is a bipartisan issue that

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affects all Americans. Uh many

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localities over the country have already

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introduced these bans. I urge you to

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please follow their example and to

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protect the people of Santa Barbara.

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Thank you.

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>> Okay, that's enough. Fiser Dean,

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» you go girl.

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>> Anyways,

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uh yeah, my time.

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Yeah. Hi. Um my name is Fasia Fasia Dean

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and um I'm still in litigation.

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have some challenges. Uh would love to

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be a part of the team but uh I face

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adversity all the time. If it's not a

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gender issue, it's some other

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perspective. Okay. So um I roll with the

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punches but I always remember uh I never give up and uh I usually

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prevail somewhere.

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Okay. So uh I want to talk about

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incentivizing.

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Uh what it is is I'm a I've had a city

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license. I'm constantly going through

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things and I see constant barriers. Um

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there shouldn't be. And so I wanted to

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talk about incentivizing. Last time I

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spoke about um the carpenter hot dog

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man. And so when I talk about

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incentivizing, I want to say I want the

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city to respond to me. I have lots of

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paperwork to send to you, but I think we

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should move toward incentivizing

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uh people, businesses who are following

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the law. We have a a disproportionate

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expression. I talked about honoring the

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carpentry man Bill uh for his efforts

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and all his work, which also represents

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the city of Santa Barbara by putting a

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hot dog stand here. But when I go down

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State Street and I'm constantly working

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toward meeting all the legal standards

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and regulations and I see people

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violating the regulations and it's okay.

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Um it's not about what someone does,

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it's about all the homeless I see and uh

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people who are the government, federal

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government constantly putting programs

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together to reach people. And you know,

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I believe in self-reliance. And so what

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I'm trying to say is for example um the

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city can um assign

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peddlers to particular positions on

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State Street and only people assigned to

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that position can be there. And what

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that does is that eliminate undocumented

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people and people who are evading the

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law where you have to come pick up their

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cart. We're trying to incentivize

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positive behavior to eliminate the

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negative behavior of under the table

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transactions,

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>> okay? And unfair distribution of the

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revenue. We want more participation,

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eliminate some of the homelessness, make

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people more self-reliant and confident

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on themselves. And so I can continue

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this the next meeting, but I would like

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for the city to look into that. and I

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have some more ideas on uh what we can

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do to continue that effort. Uh thank you

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today.

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>> Thank you. Madam clerk, you have

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speakers online.

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>> Yes, Mr. Mayor.

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» We have two speakers. We have Anna

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Garcia, then Aaron Ashland. Anna Garcia,

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please go ahead.

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Hello. Um, first I'm here to ask that

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the flop camera item be moved to 5:00

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p.m. on August 25th to allow for a true

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community participation.

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A 2 p.m. meeting time is prohibitive for

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the majority of working residents in

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this city. If you won't do this, it

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sends a clear message that you do not

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intend to serve the public who pays your

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salaries and who will be impacted by

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this decision.

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Second, instead of searching for

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alternative surveillance tools that

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infringe on our right to privacy under

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the guise of safety, pass an ordinance

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that bans or significantly restricts

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their use. As the previous speaker

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mentioned, they have been abused across

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the country to uh harm people. So, let's

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not continue down that path. However, if

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council uh if council, city

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administrators, or SBPD intend to

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continue pushing forward to find an

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alternative to replace flock against the

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community's explicit will, I will

544
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personally commit to fundraising to

545
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purchase the exact surveillance devices

546
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selected to replace flock. We will place

547
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them where we can monitor the people we

548
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pay. At sheriff's facilities, at SBPD

549
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stations, and at the offices and homes

550
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of elected officials and city

551
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administrators. If you truly believe

552
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this level of technology is safe for

553
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:05,520
public oversight, you shouldn't have any

554
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,400
issue with it outside your own doors.

555
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,559
Finally, the Supreme Court decision in

556
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Carpenter versus United States in 2018

557
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and United States versus Shatry this

558
00:25:15,360 --> 00:25:17,520
year are likely to lead to similar

559
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outcomes regarding continuous automated

560
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,080
surveillance and how it infringes on our

561
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,320
constitutional rights. moving forward

562
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with this plan to find alternatives uh

563
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particularly Axon which has been uh

564
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,480
covered much in the news stating how

565
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much worse it is than Flock actually um

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will definitely put the city at risk of

567
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,880
serious consequences

568
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and to be completely clear I'm not

569
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talking about actual guillotines as I

570
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,720
read many of you allegedly felt scared

571
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,240
by a sign that I had embarrassing I'm

572
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,400
talking about civil rights lawsuits. So,

573
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,760
make your choice.

574
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:08,070
>> Okay, very good. Next speaker, please.

575
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» Final speaker is Aaron Ashland. Aaron

576
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Ashland, please go ahead.

577
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,279
» Uh, thank you. Uh, I think the timer

578
00:26:17,279 --> 00:26:18,640
said two minutes, but I think I get

579
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three. But, uh, good afternoon, mayor

580
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and council. My main point today is

581
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simple. Downtown's challenges are not

582
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primarily caused by the State Street

583
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,080
prominade and we should focus less on

584
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:29,600
reversing it and more on testing

585
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,520
practical pedestrian focused solutions

586
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:32,880
to the real issues people are

587
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,880
experiencing. I want to make three quick

588
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,600
points. First on downtown tax revenue. A

589
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,279
couple weeks ago at a downtown economic

590
00:26:39,279 --> 00:26:41,760
forum I heard the tax revenues I heard

591
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that tax revenues still haven't

592
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recovered to pre-COVID levels. I think

593
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that misses some important context. Many

594
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of our major downtown tenants were were

595
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leaving or had already closed before

596
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State Street became a prominade. Those

597
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,559
businesses were significant sales tax

598
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generators. In many cases, those spaces

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00:26:56,559 --> 00:26:57,840
are now being converted to housing,

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which simply doesn't produce the same

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00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:00,880
retail tax revenue. So, I don't think

602
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,640
it's fair to treat today's revenue as a

603
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,000
clean measure of whether the prominade

604
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is successful. It reflects much larger

605
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:07,600
long-term changes in retail that were

606
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,039
already happening before CO and before

607
00:27:09,039 --> 00:27:11,360
the street was closed to cars. Second,

608
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on the actual problem or what the actual

609
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,919
problem is and what to do about it. When

610
00:27:15,919 --> 00:27:17,840
this has come before council, there is

611
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,919
at least some agreement from both sides

612
00:27:19,919 --> 00:27:21,039
that one of the biggest problems

613
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downtown isn't the absence of cars. It's

614
00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:25,440
the unsafe behavior of high-speed ebikes

615
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,440
and other motorized devices. If that's

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the issue we agree on, let's test a

617
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,520
solution that actually addresses it. One

618
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,200
option would be a weekend pilot on

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Saturdays and Sundays for a month or

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two. Make State Street pedestrian first

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by restricting motorized vehicles except

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those specifically authorized by the

623
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:41,840
city. You could test the whole prominade

624
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or even just one or two blocks. Weekends

625
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are a good testing window because we

626
00:27:45,360 --> 00:27:47,200
wouldn't significantly disrupt people

627
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:48,799
commuting to work and potentially make

628
00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:50,480
them late. It gives us the freedom to

629
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test the theory in a real but controlled

630
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way. Pair it with programming, family

631
00:27:54,559 --> 00:27:56,159
activities, youth sports, performances,

632
00:27:56,159 --> 00:27:57,840
face painting, and let's see what state

633
00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,520
feels like when people can walk around

634
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,360
without an ebike flying past them at 30

635
00:28:01,360 --> 00:28:02,399
mph. M

636
00:28:02,399 --> 00:28:03,840
>> third, every time the prominade comes

637
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,279
up, we hear from the ArtWalk vendors

638
00:28:05,279 --> 00:28:06,960
about how much they're struggling. I

639
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,720
believe them. I think their experience

640
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,320
raises an important question. They've

641
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:11,760
always had cars driving directly in

642
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,039
front of them, and unlike a traditional

643
00:28:13,039 --> 00:28:14,399
storefront, their merchandise is

644
00:28:14,399 --> 00:28:16,799
literally displayed outside, completely

645
00:28:16,799 --> 00:28:18,640
visible to every car passing by or

646
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,320
parking in front of them, in some ways

647
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:21,760
to have the best possible version of

648
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,760
window shopping from your car argument.

649
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,760
So, if the cars really were the key to

650
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,279
bringing customers and retail sales

651
00:28:27,279 --> 00:28:29,360
downtown, wouldn't the ArtW Walk be

652
00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:32,159
thriving, Mr. Mayor?

653
00:28:32,159 --> 00:28:33,760
the fact that it suggests we're dealing

654
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,760
with something much bigger than whether

655
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,840
cars are on State Street. Maybe we

656
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,120
should bring the art walk on State

657
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:40,240
Street on Saturday mornings,

658
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:41,760
particularly in the upper, more retail

659
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,279
oriented blocks. That could help the

660
00:28:43,279 --> 00:28:45,200
artist while creating another reason for

661
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:46,880
people to walk, explore, linger, and

662
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,120
shop in an area that could use activity.

663
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:50,960
And finally, I encourage council to pay

664
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attention to which organizations are

665
00:28:52,399 --> 00:28:54,080
bringing forward ideas to make the

666
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:55,840
prominade work. Groups like Friends of

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00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,279
State have focused on programming,

668
00:28:57,279 --> 00:28:58,720
activation, and practical ways to

669
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,559
support existing businesses. At the same

670
00:29:00,559 --> 00:29:02,080
time, I think we need to start asking a

671
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,159
difficult question about DSBIA. If an

672
00:29:04,159 --> 00:29:05,600
organization is responsible for

673
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,279
promoting downtown while also advocating

674
00:29:07,279 --> 00:29:09,200
to fund fundamentally change the

675
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:10,880
prominade, there's at least an

676
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,039
appearance of conflict. Its success in

677
00:29:13,039 --> 00:29:15,120
promoting State Street as it exists

678
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,120
today could undermine its own argument

679
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:18,159
for bringing back.

680
00:29:18,159 --> 00:29:19,840
>> Thank you. That's that's time

681
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,480
>> deserves a closer look. Thank you.

682
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:23,039
>> Thank you.

683
00:29:23,039 --> 00:29:26,720
>> Okay. Further speakers? Madam uh clerk?

684
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:27,919
>> No, Mr.

685
00:29:27,919 --> 00:29:29,279
>> All right. Very good. With that, we'll

686
00:29:29,279 --> 00:29:31,840
close public comment and uh move on to

687
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,159
the administrative items. If you read

688
00:29:34,159 --> 00:29:35,600
that item in the record, please madam

689
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:36,240
clerk.

690
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,240
>> Yes. Item five, certification of the

691
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,399
final housing plan program environmental

692
00:29:40,399 --> 00:29:43,039
impact report. A recommendation of the

693
00:29:43,039 --> 00:29:45,120
council a adopt by reading of title only

694
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a resolution of the council of the city

695
00:29:46,399 --> 00:29:47,919
of Santa Barbara certifying the final

696
00:29:47,919 --> 00:29:50,080
housing plan program environmental

697
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:55,830
impact report SC number 202204209

698
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:57,679
and adopting findings of fact and the

699
00:29:57,679 --> 00:29:59,600
mitigation monitoring and reporting

700
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,919
program.

701
00:30:01,919 --> 00:30:03,360
>> All right, thank you very much and

702
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:10,950
please do the presentation.

703
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,039
Good afternoon, Mayor Rouse and council

704
00:30:13,039 --> 00:30:15,200
members. My name is Julia Pujo,

705
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,279
environmental analyst. Here with me

706
00:30:17,279 --> 00:30:22,389
today is Rosie Dy, principal planner.

707
00:30:22,399 --> 00:30:25,279
Today, staff are requesting that council

708
00:30:25,279 --> 00:30:27,919
adopt a resolution to certify the final

709
00:30:27,919 --> 00:30:31,360
housing plan program, EIR, adopt SQA

710
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,679
findings of fact, and adopt the

711
00:30:33,679 --> 00:30:35,760
mitigation monitoring and reporting

712
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,440
program.

713
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,679
These actions will complete the SQA

714
00:30:39,679 --> 00:30:41,840
process for the final housing plan

715
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,039
program EIR and these actions also

716
00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:47,600
support program H9 of the housing

717
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:51,029
element.

718
00:30:51,039 --> 00:30:53,679
The city prepared a housing plan program

719
00:30:53,679 --> 00:30:56,399
EIR that evaluates the impacts of

720
00:30:56,399 --> 00:30:59,200
implementing the 32 housing programs

721
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,559
within the sixth cycle housing element.

722
00:31:02,559 --> 00:31:05,679
This includes ongoing current programs

723
00:31:05,679 --> 00:31:09,600
as well as future housing programs. A

724
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,840
key assumption is the development of 801

725
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,240
housing units which is the city's

726
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:20,159
regional housing need or reena. The EIR

727
00:31:20,159 --> 00:31:22,880
analyzes the effects of construction

728
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,000
growth and operational impacts.

729
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,880
This is a program EIR which is which

730
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,799
includes a city-wide environmental

731
00:31:30,799 --> 00:31:34,000
analysis of the housing programs and

732
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,120
future housing development. Notably, it

733
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,159
does not evaluate or approve any

734
00:31:40,159 --> 00:31:42,880
particular development project in any

735
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,519
particular project site.

736
00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:47,679
Uh the EIR identifies feasible

737
00:31:47,679 --> 00:31:50,320
mitigation measures and evaluates two

738
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:55,039
alternatives uh in compliance with SQA.

739
00:31:55,039 --> 00:31:57,919
A key benefit of the housing plan EIR is

740
00:31:57,919 --> 00:32:01,279
that it supports program H9 resource

741
00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:03,200
protection and development certainty

742
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,480
within the six cycle housing element.

743
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,880
Uh, program H9 calls for resource

744
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,440
protection, recognizes the need to plan

745
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,440
for housing in a way that protects

746
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,399
natural and cultural resources, that

747
00:32:16,399 --> 00:32:19,279
responds to the climate crisis, and

748
00:32:19,279 --> 00:32:22,880
provides certainty for developers.

749
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,200
The EIR also identifies mitigation

750
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,679
strategies that can be applied to future

751
00:32:27,679 --> 00:32:30,159
housing developments.

752
00:32:30,159 --> 00:32:32,880
And the EIR provides a streamlining

753
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,600
potential for future SQA reviews for

754
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,080
housing programs and for future housing

755
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:42,389
development projects.

756
00:32:42,399 --> 00:32:44,559
To briefly clarify the difference

757
00:32:44,559 --> 00:32:46,720
between the housing element and the

758
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,200
housing plan because these terms are

759
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,679
sometimes used interchangeably.

760
00:32:51,679 --> 00:32:54,480
The housing element refers to the state

761
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,640
required policy document that was

762
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,200
adopted by the city.

763
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,480
Whereas the housing plan is what the EIR

764
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,679
refers to which is the collective set of

765
00:33:05,679 --> 00:33:08,080
actions required to implement the

766
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,039
housing element. This includes municipal

767
00:33:11,039 --> 00:33:13,760
code amendments, resolutions, permit

768
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,480
streamlining processes

769
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,120
and other actions to fully implement the

770
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,679
programs in the housing element. the the

771
00:33:21,679 --> 00:33:24,000
set of actions is what the EIR

772
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:28,630
evaluates.

773
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:32,559
This slide shows the SQA process. Uh

774
00:33:32,559 --> 00:33:35,440
this has been a multi-year process

775
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,760
starting with a scoping period where the

776
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,120
city notified the public and agencies

777
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,559
following an ER analysis was was

778
00:33:44,559 --> 00:33:48,480
developed uh with the help of technical

779
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,559
consultants and in coordination with

780
00:33:50,559 --> 00:33:52,799
multiple city departments as well as

781
00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:55,840
other public uh local and regional

782
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,159
agencies.

783
00:33:58,159 --> 00:34:00,960
Uh earlier this year, the city released

784
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,320
the draft uh EIR for a public review

785
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:08,240
period of 45 days between January and

786
00:34:08,240 --> 00:34:10,320
March and held a meeting before the

787
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,119
planning commission. During the public

788
00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:15,119
review period, the city received

789
00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:17,599
comments from members of the public,

790
00:34:17,599 --> 00:34:20,000
local and state agencies, and from the

791
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:21,679
planning commission, and those comments

792
00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:25,440
are within chapter 8 of the EIR. We are

793
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,919
currently in the final stages of the EIR

794
00:34:27,919 --> 00:34:30,800
process and staff has prepared draft

795
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,760
findings and staff is now seeking city

796
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,040
council action on the EIR. Uh following

797
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,280
city council action, staff will file the

798
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:45,270
appropriate SQA notices.

799
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,480
The EIR includes uh the full range of

800
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,079
environmental topics required by SQA.

801
00:34:52,079 --> 00:34:54,639
Many environmental resource topic areas

802
00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:56,480
were found to result in less than

803
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:01,349
significant impacts.

804
00:35:01,359 --> 00:35:04,400
Uh six topic areas were found to have

805
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,240
impacts that are potentially significant

806
00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:09,200
and requiring mitigation. That includes

807
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,760
air quality, biological resources,

808
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,960
cultural and tribal resources, hazardous

809
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,839
materials, noise and utilities and

810
00:35:17,839 --> 00:35:20,000
service systems.

811
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,560
For all environmental impacts,

812
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,400
mitigation was identified that would

813
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,079
reduce impacts to a less than

814
00:35:26,079 --> 00:35:29,440
significant level and the ER did not

815
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,240
identify any significant or unavoidable

816
00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:36,390
impacts.

817
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,440
SQUA requires that the city make

818
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,200
findings for each potentially

819
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,680
significant impact and there are three

820
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:47,040
options. The first is that mitigation is

821
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,760
feasible and will be adopted.

822
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,320
The second option is that another agency

823
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,240
is responsible for implementing

824
00:35:54,240 --> 00:35:57,680
mitigation. And the third option is that

825
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,320
mitigation is not feasible uh

826
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,680
potentially for legal, technological

827
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,640
uh or economic reasons. If it is found

828
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,960
that mitigation is not feasible, a

829
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,440
statement of overriding considerations

830
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,760
would be required.

831
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,079
Uh the staff recommendation is that

832
00:36:16,079 --> 00:36:18,240
council finds for each impact that

833
00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:20,880
mitigation is feasible and will be

834
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,640
adopted.

835
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,800
Therefore, no statement of overriding

836
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,960
considerations would be required. And

837
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,280
these findings are within attachment two

838
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:35,910
of the council agenda report packet.

839
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,320
A mitigation monitoring and reporting

840
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,920
program also known as a MMRP was

841
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,200
prepared consistent with SQA.

842
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,079
Uh because this is a program EIR

843
00:36:48,079 --> 00:36:51,119
implementation of the MMRP would occur

844
00:36:51,119 --> 00:36:53,920
through future city actions including

845
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,920
amendments to the municipal code,

846
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,160
updates to city environmental guidelines

847
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,040
and procedures and standard conditions

848
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,280
of approval that would be applied to

849
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,560
future development projects.

850
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,440
The MMRP identifies the actions required

851
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,680
to implement the mitigation measure, the

852
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,040
responsible city department timing and

853
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,040
monitoring.

854
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,359
I want to note that currently many of

855
00:37:19,359 --> 00:37:21,839
the mitigation measures in the EIR are

856
00:37:21,839 --> 00:37:23,839
being implemented to individual

857
00:37:23,839 --> 00:37:26,240
development projects on a case-bycase

858
00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:30,480
basis and adoption of the MMRP and

859
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,599
implementation will provide uh clear

860
00:37:33,599 --> 00:37:36,160
consistent and transparent standards

861
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:37,680
that will help streamline the

862
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,920
development process, provide clear

863
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,560
direction to developers and continue to

864
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,680
protect environmental resources.

865
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,440
And once implemented, those requirements

866
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,680
will apply to qualifying development

867
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:54,230
projects.

868
00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:56,480
Uh I'll briefly

869
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,880
provide a highlevel overview of the

870
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:00,800
impacts requiring findings and

871
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,760
associated mitigation measures.

872
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,359
The ER found that uh potential a

873
00:38:07,359 --> 00:38:09,440
potential impact related to construction

874
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,480
air quality emissions uh for larger

875
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,560
projects and perhaps in the case where

876
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,960
multiple projects are in the same area.

877
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,320
Uh the analysis was developed in

878
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:23,839
coordination with the air pollution

879
00:38:23,839 --> 00:38:27,359
control district and mitigation is was

880
00:38:27,359 --> 00:38:29,040
identified that would stand would

881
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:30,640
establish standard construction

882
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,800
practices to reduce construction

883
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:37,589
emissions.

884
00:38:37,599 --> 00:38:40,640
The ER identified potential impacts to

885
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,280
biological resources if housing

886
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,200
development were to occur on a site that

887
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,359
contained natural habitat, wildlife

888
00:38:47,359 --> 00:38:49,119
movement corridors, and sensitive

889
00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:52,320
species. This analysis was developed in

890
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:53,920
coordination with California Fish and

891
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,440
Wildlife and mitigation was identified

892
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,079
that include creek protections, riparian

893
00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:02,640
protections, nesting bird surveys, and

894
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:06,079
oak woodland protection.

895
00:39:06,079 --> 00:39:08,880
Uh these mitigation would establish

896
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,480
requirements

897
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,280
uh that would be applied to applicable

898
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:17,829
housing developments.

899
00:39:17,839 --> 00:39:20,640
Impacts uh were or potential impacts

900
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,280
were identified to historical,

901
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,680
archaeological and tribal resources if

902
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,599
development were to occur on a site that

903
00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:32,960
contained those resources. Mitigation was identified in the EIR

904
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,800
that includes historical resource

905
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,800
protections, archaeological resource

906
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,119
protections, and tribal cultural

907
00:39:39,119 --> 00:39:41,920
resource protections. I will also note

908
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,480
that this mitigation was largely

909
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,000
implemented with the adoption of updated

910
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,320
city guidelines for archaeological,

911
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,960
tribal, and historic resources and

912
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,440
updates to the historic preservation

913
00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:01,990
ordinance in 2025.

914
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,960
uh impacts related to potential site

915
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,400
contamination, groundwater and um soil

916
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,880
contamination on sites throughout the

917
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,720
city. uh and mitigation was identified

918
00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:17,599
that included um environmental site

919
00:40:17,599 --> 00:40:20,000
assessments and investigations,

920
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,640
remediation measures and risk management

921
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,960
measures that would be implemented

922
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,200
consistent with the appropriate

923
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,599
regulatory agency.

924
00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:31,920
This analysis was developed uh with

925
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,760
coordination from county environmental

926
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,960
health services which is the designated

927
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,119
regulatory oversight agency for site

928
00:40:39,119 --> 00:40:44,870
contamination in our area.

929
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,280
Noise impacts were identified related to

930
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,400
construction noise uh in mitigation

931
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,240
includes a construction noise management

932
00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:54,400
plan and vibration control plan which

933
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:55,920
would be applied to qualifying

934
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:57,920
development projects.

935
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,800
Additionally, an impact was identified

936
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,000
related to uh projects that could occur

937
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,640
in areas where ambient noise levels

938
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,680
exceed residential standards. for

939
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:13,680
example, along the highway 101 corridor

940
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,079
and uh a mitigation was identified that

941
00:41:16,079 --> 00:41:19,440
would include a noise study and site uh

942
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,520
based attenuation features that would be

943
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,240
incorporated to in the design of

944
00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:29,589
development projects in that area.

945
00:41:29,599 --> 00:41:32,720
The project or the EIR evaluated impacts

946
00:41:32,720 --> 00:41:35,760
to utilities and service systems. The

947
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,720
EIR found that existing utility services

948
00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:41,280
and infrastructure can accommodate the

949
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,920
anticipated increases in demand for

950
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,000
water, wastewater, electricity, solid

951
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,880
waste and other utilities. However,

952
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:50,800
individual development projects may

953
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,280
require new utility connections,

954
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,839
upsizing or the replacement of aging

955
00:41:55,839 --> 00:41:58,000
infrastructure.

956
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,160
Uh mitigation would apply to those

957
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:01,839
scenarios and would include the same

958
00:42:01,839 --> 00:42:03,680
measures that were identified for air

959
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,839
quality, biological resources, cultural

960
00:42:05,839 --> 00:42:12,150
hazardous materials and noise.

961
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,960
Two alternatives were analyzed in the ER

962
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,440
consistent with the SQA guidelines. This

963
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,319
includes a no project alternative. The

964
00:42:20,319 --> 00:42:22,640
no project alternative assumes that no

965
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,599
action is taken. This would result in

966
00:42:25,599 --> 00:42:28,319
less housing being built and would not

967
00:42:28,319 --> 00:42:31,200
meet the city's obligation under state

968
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,200
housing law.

969
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,520
Another alternative was analyzed called

970
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,839
the additional housing alternative which

971
00:42:37,839 --> 00:42:40,480
assumes a scenario where housing is

972
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,839
developed that exceeds the city arena.

973
00:42:43,839 --> 00:42:47,359
The alternative does not specify how

974
00:42:47,359 --> 00:42:50,240
programs are expanded. It only analyzes

975
00:42:50,240 --> 00:42:53,520
the resulting consequences

976
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,000
and the alternatives analysis helps

977
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,079
demonstrate the relative environmental

978
00:42:58,079 --> 00:42:59,839
effects of the housing plan in

979
00:42:59,839 --> 00:43:06,550
comparison to the other scenarios.

980
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,200
Council's action today requires several

981
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,079
SQA findings. And to highlight the key

982
00:43:12,079 --> 00:43:13,680
findings,

983
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,160
uh, council must find that the EIR is

984
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,359
completed in compliance with SQUA, that

985
00:43:19,359 --> 00:43:22,160
the EIR reflects the city's independent

986
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:23,680
judgment,

987
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,160
that city council has reviewed and

988
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,319
considered the information in the final

989
00:43:28,319 --> 00:43:30,640
EIR.

990
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,440
And also, as a reminder, no significant

991
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,440
and unavoidable impacts are identified

992
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,160
in the EIR. and staff recommends the

993
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,720
finding that for each significant impact

994
00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:43,119
feasible mitigation will avoid or reduce

995
00:43:43,119 --> 00:43:44,960
the impact

996
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,680
and SQA also requires the adoption of a

997
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,599
mitigation monitoring and reporting

998
00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:53,109
program.

999
00:43:53,119 --> 00:43:56,240
Uh to summarize the final EIR provides a

1000
00:43:56,240 --> 00:43:58,240
citywide environmental framework for

1001
00:43:58,240 --> 00:44:00,880
implementing program H9 resource

1002
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,040
protection and develop development

1003
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,760
certainty. It identifies feasible

1004
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,760
mitigation for potentially significant

1005
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,400
impacts and no significant and

1006
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,520
unavoidable impacts are identified. Uh

1007
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,680
the staff recommendation is that staff

1008
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,000
is that council adopt a resolution to

1009
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,079
certify the final housing plan program

1010
00:44:20,079 --> 00:44:22,960
EIR adopt SQA findings of fact and adopt

1011
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,040
the MMRP.

1012
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,280
That concludes staff's presentation and

1013
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,119
we are available for questions. Thank

1014
00:44:29,119 --> 00:44:30,480
you.

1015
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,880
>> Thank you very much. Um I have no

1016
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:34,800
speaker slips to this item. Madam clerk,

1017
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:40,230
are there any raised hands online?

1018
00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:41,119
» No, Mr. May.

1019
00:44:41,119 --> 00:44:42,880
>> Okay, very good. So with that, we will

1020
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:44,560
then go we'll close public comment and

1021
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:46,560
go to council for questions and

1022
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,119
comments. Miss Snen,

1023
00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:50,000
>> thank you. Mayor Rose,

1024
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:51,359
>> round of questions first, I should say,

1025
00:44:51,359 --> 00:44:52,240
then we'll do deliberations.

1026
00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:55,280
>> Okay, questions. Thank you. Um, so and

1027
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,280
thank you for the pre-briefings on this

1028
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,520
as well. Appreciate that. So I I have

1029
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,720
some I guess my questions are series of

1030
00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:03,920
questions that can all be handled

1031
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,880
together but it's more about um the

1032
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,160
holistic larger scale

1033
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,680
uh picture um and how this impacts so

1034
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:15,680
specific things

1035
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:20,000
um wastewater evacuation routes I mean I

1036
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:21,680
know these aren't individual projects

1037
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:25,200
that are being um approved but the the

1038
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,800
larger picture traffic water needs needs

1039
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,640
um particularly

1040
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:34,880
fire response in say um the upper state

1041
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,400
area if that gets redeveloped as it's

1042
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,119
planning to be with a very large project

1043
00:45:41,119 --> 00:45:44,079
will we have the funds necessary or the

1044
00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:46,240
development fees high enough to be able

1045
00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:48,880
to build a new fire station there to

1046
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:52,240
meet those needs that kind of thing. Um,

1047
00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:55,680
another question about um biodiversity

1048
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,160
mitigations if if that could be built

1049
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:03,040
into this and um you know busing needs,

1050
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,599
things like that. things that uh on

1051
00:46:05,599 --> 00:46:08,560
larger scales might have impacts that my

1052
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:12,079
concern is that if we approve this then

1053
00:46:12,079 --> 00:46:15,599
we're saying that that large scale need

1054
00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:18,319
is met and that there if we're just

1055
00:46:18,319 --> 00:46:20,240
looking at individual projects past that

1056
00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:23,760
we'll have missed our opportunity to to

1057
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,400
weigh in on some of those um

1058
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,920
particularly development fees and a fire

1059
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,640
station. And then it was noted in the

1060
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:36,640
planning commission to um to heagis you

1061
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,760
know when it when it closes which it's

1062
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:41,680
you know scheduled to close ahead of

1063
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:45,599
when we had hoped um are we prepared for

1064
00:46:45,599 --> 00:46:47,839
the environmental impacts of whatever

1065
00:46:47,839 --> 00:46:50,880
that next part of the plan is. So I

1066
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:54,480
guess my question is with with large

1067
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,200
holistic picture things like that if we

1068
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,000
do a blanket and maybe that's not the

1069
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,960
right term but if we do a um approval of

1070
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,760
this now for implementing our whole plan

1071
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:09,280
does that take away our ability in the

1072
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,000
big picture to be able to mitigate for

1073
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:16,550
those in the future

1074
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,040
» council member Snetted and I'll uh I'll

1075
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:24,150
try too. It's a multi-art question. Um,

1076
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:28,960
regarding impacts to

1077
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,319
wastewater evacuation, things like that.

1078
00:47:32,319 --> 00:47:36,400
The EIR is at a citywide level and it

1079
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,599
assumes that projects are consistent

1080
00:47:39,599 --> 00:47:41,119
with the general plan, that they're

1081
00:47:41,119 --> 00:47:43,280
consistent with the housing programs,

1082
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,839
consistent with the zoning. um it

1083
00:47:45,839 --> 00:47:48,400
doesn't necessarily exempt them from

1084
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:52,400
further screening. Uh and so if there is

1085
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,839
a project that say is not consistent

1086
00:47:55,839 --> 00:47:58,560
with those items, um then they'll be

1087
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,480
continued they'll continue to be subject

1088
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:04,000
to further squa review.

1089
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,880
Uh the house the housing plan EI found

1090
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:10,560
that fire services were acceptable or

1091
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,400
are acceptable with the amount of

1092
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,680
growth. It does not analyze developers

1093
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,560
fees specifically. That's an economic

1094
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,440
consideration that is outside of the

1095
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,640
scope of the EIR and SQUA.

1096
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,200
Um it is mainly looking at the physical

1097
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:31,200
impacts of do we need to identify a new

1098
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,800
site for a fire station. Um that type of

1099
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,200
thing but not necessarily how to fund

1100
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,800
it. But um the ER did find that fire ser

1101
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:42,559
the existing level of fire service could

1102
00:48:42,559 --> 00:48:45,119
accommodate the growth um as currently

1103
00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:47,680
planned in the housing plans.

1104
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:49,520
Uh,

1105
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,160
regarding Tahiguas, uh, we've been in

1106
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,480
contact with county staff who are

1107
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:58,079
managing um, that project. And so, as I

1108
00:48:58,079 --> 00:49:00,160
understand, the the county is looking at

1109
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:03,119
several alternatives on Tiguis, but they

1110
00:49:03,119 --> 00:49:05,359
have not yet released what those

1111
00:49:05,359 --> 00:49:07,760
alternatives are and what the plan is.

1112
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,319
Uh, but we'll stay in close coordination

1113
00:49:10,319 --> 00:49:11,760
with that.

1114
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,240
Um, and if I could just add something to

1115
00:49:14,240 --> 00:49:15,440
some of the things you mentioned,

1116
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:19,119
specifically evacuation um, planning, we

1117
00:49:19,119 --> 00:49:21,839
are um, you actually um, authorized an

1118
00:49:21,839 --> 00:49:23,839
update to our safety element. And so

1119
00:49:23,839 --> 00:49:26,079
that's a great place to look at these

1120
00:49:26,079 --> 00:49:28,480
things holistically. Um, and we are

1121
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,160
actually by state law need to look at

1122
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,800
our evacuation routes and locations and

1123
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:33,839
planning.

1124
00:49:33,839 --> 00:49:37,520
>> So that's that's coming up. So, so I

1125
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,800
guess as a followup, like if I if I

1126
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,599
didn't believe that the existing fire

1127
00:49:43,599 --> 00:49:47,839
services could accommodate 8,000 more

1128
00:49:47,839 --> 00:49:49,359
units,

1129
00:49:49,359 --> 00:49:51,760
um, would it be appropriate then for me

1130
00:49:51,760 --> 00:50:02,710
to not be able to find these findings

1131
00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:06,630
hypothetically?

1132
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:18,069
Are we clear?

1133
00:50:18,079 --> 00:50:20,720
» Uh, Council Member Snettin, uh, the the

1134
00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:22,960
finding would need to be supported by

1135
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,200
substantial evidence such as an expert

1136
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:30,640
opinion or a technical report. Uh, and

1137
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,520
if you if there was that that finding or

1138
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,000
evidence within substantial evidence,

1139
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,640
then you would be able to make that

1140
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,079
finding if you chose.

1141
00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:43,280
>> Okay. And if those reports are being

1142
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,319
developed now and we haven't seen them

1143
00:50:46,319 --> 00:50:48,640
yet, um,

1144
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,559
>> well, I'll leave I'll leave it at that.

1145
00:50:50,559 --> 00:50:53,040
Thank Thank you.

1146
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,680
>> Further questions?

1147
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:57,520
I had one kind of a follow up on Miss

1148
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,200
one of Miss Netton's comments about the

1149
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,200
EI and you mentioned of course schools

1150
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,000
as part of the SQL process. It brings to

1151
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,640
mind uh what we've already was approved

1152
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:08,640
on cycle which was the 1900 units in

1153
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:12,400
Lumbra Plaza property and I noticed that

1154
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:16,240
the uh some from well I'll say feedback

1155
00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:17,760
be polite about it from the hope school

1156
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:19,119
district because obviously they'd be

1157
00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:21,680
overwhelmed by that. So, how does that

1158
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,000
square? How do we place that much

1159
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,000
population out there? Not knowing what

1160
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:27,520
the percent of school age children are

1161
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,839
going to be, of course. How does that

1162
00:51:29,839 --> 00:51:32,079
square with this process and do we have

1163
00:51:32,079 --> 00:51:35,119
to revisit that when it comes to this

1164
00:51:35,119 --> 00:51:37,359
element?

1165
00:51:37,359 --> 00:51:40,079
>> Mayor Rouse, good question. Uh, so

1166
00:51:40,079 --> 00:51:42,800
unfortunately the the scope of SQA is

1167
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,280
quite narrow in that regard. The impact

1168
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:49,440
is focused more on is there appropriate

1169
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:51,359
school sighting and then would the

1170
00:51:51,359 --> 00:51:54,079
construction of a new school uh result

1171
00:51:54,079 --> 00:51:57,440
in physical impacts as opposed to more

1172
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,800
administrative or economic impacts of

1173
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:02,880
increased enrollment.

1174
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:06,559
Uh the the analysis in the EIR found

1175
00:52:06,559 --> 00:52:10,079
that across the city individual schools

1176
00:52:10,079 --> 00:52:12,880
have individual capacity.

1177
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,520
uh when we look at it holistically

1178
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,880
and so uh that found that no uh

1179
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,200
alternative school site would be needed

1180
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,599
and um no construction in that in terms

1181
00:52:23,599 --> 00:52:25,346
of resulting in environmental

1182
00:52:25,346 --> 00:52:29,200
[clears throat] impacts. Um

1183
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,240
the economic side of it is not covered

1184
00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:36,880
in the scope of SQUA. Um and so that is

1185
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,119
outside the purview of the EI. No, thank

1186
00:52:39,119 --> 00:52:41,839
No, I mean I I I get that part, but as

1187
00:52:41,839 --> 00:52:43,760
you look at the number one, there's

1188
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:45,599
obviously no suitable site for a new

1189
00:52:45,599 --> 00:52:47,359
school to be built, nor would there be

1190
00:52:47,359 --> 00:52:49,200
foreseeable funding to build a brand new

1191
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:50,559
school. But the other side of the coin

1192
00:52:50,559 --> 00:52:53,200
is if you look at the the enrollment of

1193
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,280
Hope School District now and the

1194
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:59,920
anticipated extra population, it doesn't really match up without some

1195
00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:02,559
kind of strange interd district, you

1196
00:53:02,559 --> 00:53:04,319
know, transit system or doing whatever

1197
00:53:04,319 --> 00:53:06,800
we would have to do. So it just it just

1198
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,440
seems anothetical to the idea of sequent

1199
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,240
trying to not have people transit as far

1200
00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:14,880
to go to their shopping work schools

1201
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:16,559
that kind of thing. So I don't know just

1202
00:53:16,559 --> 00:53:18,240
I know that you don't have that answer

1203
00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:20,480
but I'm just kind of curious about the

1204
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,720
whole process itself.

1205
00:53:22,720 --> 00:53:25,440
Mr. Freriedman.

1206
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:26,960
>> Thank you Mr. Mayor. Just kind of a

1207
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,119
followup. I appreciate my colleagues

1208
00:53:29,119 --> 00:53:31,040
questions but so first I want to ask

1209
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:32,559
what happens if we don't pass this

1210
00:53:32,559 --> 00:53:35,829
today?

1211
00:53:35,839 --> 00:53:37,760
Uh, council member Freeman, I believe

1212
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:42,319
the options are to continue or to deny

1213
00:53:42,319 --> 00:53:45,680
the not certify the EIR. So, I believe

1214
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:47,520
that means nothing happens. The the

1215
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:49,280
mitigation measures would not be

1216
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,599
adopted. We would not move forward with

1217
00:53:51,599 --> 00:53:54,480
those um conditions or programs in the

1218
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,520
MMRP. And I I believe and staff can

1219
00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:58,880
correct me if I'm wrong. I believe that

1220
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:00,800
then each individual program would have

1221
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:02,079
to go through comprehensive

1222
00:54:02,079 --> 00:54:04,000
environmental review uh which would

1223
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:05,760
result in great expense and some of

1224
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:07,839
those are city initiated programs. So

1225
00:54:07,839 --> 00:54:10,079
the city would then have to take on uh

1226
00:54:10,079 --> 00:54:12,000
additional expense to do that individual

1227
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,640
environmental review for each program or

1228
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:17,440
um element of the housing plan.

1229
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,640
>> And and that's for each one of those. So

1230
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:22,640
we would have a using our current staff.

1231
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:24,720
So we would on top of everything else

1232
00:54:24,720 --> 00:54:27,200
we're doing and this would streamline

1233
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:31,200
some of these projects so that

1234
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,599
the so when these projects come forward

1235
00:54:33,599 --> 00:54:34,960
they don't have to come back through it.

1236
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,760
So the question I have is if we didn't

1237
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:39,359
approve this today, so there was a

1238
00:54:39,359 --> 00:54:42,079
majority that based on the issues that

1239
00:54:42,079 --> 00:54:43,520
were raised today didn't go forward with

1240
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:45,119
it.

1241
00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:49,040
Then how would that in terms of trying

1242
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:52,640
to meet our housing production numbers?

1243
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,280
If we now have to have our staff, we

1244
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:56,720
would then have to have our staff go

1245
00:54:56,720 --> 00:54:58,079
through and do each one of these

1246
00:54:58,079 --> 00:55:00,880
programs. Would that potentially delay

1247
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,040
new housing development because they

1248
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:04,880
would want to wait until we've done all

1249
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,440
this or what would happen because that

1250
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:12,559
could take a number of years, right, to go through all these individually and

1251
00:55:12,559 --> 00:55:16,559
then if in that time what happens to

1252
00:55:16,559 --> 00:55:18,160
projects that want to go through but we

1253
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:19,520
haven't done the work yet because we

1254
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:21,440
have to sign staff or get consultants to

1255
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:26,630
come out and and do all that.

1256
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:28,559
Um, Council Member Freriedman, I'll I'll

1257
00:55:28,559 --> 00:55:30,160
try to address at least the programs

1258
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,040
part of it. So, so far we've done um a

1259
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:34,640
couple of programs already like adaptive

1260
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:36,160
reuse and most of them have been

1261
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,240
ordinance amendments and because this

1262
00:55:38,240 --> 00:55:42,160
wasn't completed yet. Uh, we had to do a

1263
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:45,599
sequ. Luckily, those have been um

1264
00:55:45,599 --> 00:55:47,520
qualified for a notice for exemption.

1265
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,079
So, it hasn't been too ownorous to do

1266
00:55:50,079 --> 00:55:52,319
that. There's upcoming programs. I can't

1267
00:55:52,319 --> 00:55:54,079
guarantee they would all be exempt from

1268
00:55:54,079 --> 00:55:56,000
SQA. They'd probably have. So that's

1269
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,079
it's hard to know ahead of time um for

1270
00:55:58,079 --> 00:55:59,839
the future ordinance amendments or other

1271
00:55:59,839 --> 00:56:02,480
program implementation

1272
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:04,319
how much extra time it would add.

1273
00:56:04,319 --> 00:56:08,400
Housing production is kind of since this

1274
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,319
new housing element was adopted has been

1275
00:56:10,319 --> 00:56:13,359
pretty steady. Um but we're just, you

1276
00:56:13,359 --> 00:56:15,280
know, we there's always a lag because we

1277
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:16,880
have all these programs. It takes us a

1278
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,520
while to adopt each one and we're hoping

1279
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:22,160
the production numbers will go up, but

1280
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,000
for now they've been about, you know,

1281
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,319
200 or so building permits a year. Um,

1282
00:56:26,319 --> 00:56:28,799
that's been pretty steady. Um, the

1283
00:56:28,799 --> 00:56:31,760
second part was about the actual housing

1284
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:33,599
itself. So, a lot of housing projects

1285
00:56:33,599 --> 00:56:35,599
are exempt from SQA. Julia can probably

1286
00:56:35,599 --> 00:56:38,079
address this better than me. So, some of

1287
00:56:38,079 --> 00:56:40,319
them will keep going. Um, but I think

1288
00:56:40,319 --> 00:56:42,319
there are projects that do trigger squa

1289
00:56:42,319 --> 00:56:44,079
where they could get caught up and it'll

1290
00:56:44,079 --> 00:56:57,910
take longer. Does that sound

1291
00:56:57,920 --> 00:56:59,359
Uh, council member Freeman, that's

1292
00:56:59,359 --> 00:57:01,280
correct. There are a number of

1293
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:04,000
applications in the process where SQA is

1294
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,000
already underway for those particular

1295
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:07,680
applications.

1296
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:09,839
Uh there's a number of concern is

1297
00:57:09,839 --> 00:57:12,079
there's a number of sites especially in

1298
00:57:12,079 --> 00:57:13,920
the downtown and the waterfront area

1299
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,240
that have site contamination

1300
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:19,040
where the SQA guidelines specify that an

1301
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:22,400
exemption cannot be used. And so an

1302
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,920
option for those sites would be to tier

1303
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,799
off of the housing plan EI if it were

1304
00:57:28,799 --> 00:57:31,200
certified

1305
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:32,319
otherwise they would need to go through

1306
00:57:32,319 --> 00:57:34,960
their own individual SQL process. So

1307
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:38,559
help me understand that that point. A

1308
00:57:38,559 --> 00:57:41,119
site with contaminated

1309
00:57:41,119 --> 00:57:43,520
with some type of contamination

1310
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:47,040
would have I want to word this correctly

1311
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:48,799
would be able to use this but at the

1312
00:57:48,799 --> 00:57:51,280
same time how would we get the level of

1313
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:53,280
certainty that we're remediating and

1314
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:57,119
addressing those types of impacts?

1315
00:57:57,119 --> 00:58:01,520
>> Uh Council Member Frerieden. Uh, so the red dots on this map, and I

1316
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,119
understand it's kind of small and hard

1317
00:58:03,119 --> 00:58:05,200
to see, but those are Cortezy list

1318
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:07,920
sites. There's about there's over 400 of

1319
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,799
them in the city of Santa Barbara. And

1320
00:58:10,799 --> 00:58:14,880
the squa guidelines specify that an

1321
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:16,960
exemption cannot be used on a parcel

1322
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:20,720
that contains um one of these red dots.

1323
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:22,480
Uh, the procedures are already in place.

1324
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:24,559
Those sites are regulated by state

1325
00:58:24,559 --> 00:58:27,040
agencies, by the water board, by the

1326
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:30,480
county environmental health services and

1327
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,359
staff rely staff rely on those agencies

1328
00:58:33,359 --> 00:58:36,000
pretty heavily to tell them uh for them

1329
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,400
to tell us rather what measures they

1330
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,520
need to take to remediate their site.

1331
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:43,839
And so during the application review

1332
00:58:43,839 --> 00:58:46,559
process, there's ongoing coordination.

1333
00:58:46,559 --> 00:58:48,880
This is something that staff regularly

1334
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:50,319
screen for during the development

1335
00:58:50,319 --> 00:58:54,319
process. And so if a state agency

1336
00:58:54,319 --> 00:58:57,680
contacts us and recommends a particular

1337
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:00,079
investigation or if they recommend

1338
00:59:00,079 --> 00:59:03,760
particular site measures um or remedial

1339
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:06,960
actions then the city in turn makes

1340
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:10,000
those conditions of approval for that

1341
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:13,760
project. And I'll just also add that um

1342
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:15,839
one of the requirements is that each one

1343
00:59:15,839 --> 00:59:18,000
of the programs or projects that comes

1344
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,640
through has to go through the the MMRP

1345
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:23,200
which is and so for here you can see for

1346
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,040
example the mitigation is they have to

1347
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:26,240
do a phase one and phase two

1348
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:28,079
environmental site assessment which

1349
00:59:28,079 --> 00:59:29,920
would require them to do a survey like

1350
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:32,319
are there any former gas stations on the

1351
00:59:32,319 --> 00:59:34,160
site and if so then they would have

1352
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:37,280
potentially have to um do soil sampling

1353
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:40,720
and so so each so there's the mitigate

1354
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:42,640
they have to still follow all of the

1355
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:44,079
mitigations. They don't just get

1356
00:59:44,079 --> 00:59:46,319
exempted from doing anything to

1357
00:59:46,319 --> 00:59:49,119
remediate the site. The EIR actually

1358
00:59:49,119 --> 00:59:50,880
lays out those mitigations that are

1359
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:53,040
required for each, you know, when these

1360
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:54,319
things come up.

1361
00:59:54,319 --> 00:59:58,400
>> And so staff staff will review it at the front end of an application and

1362
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:03,520
say, "Oh, yeah, this is subject to the hazard and hazardous material

1363
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:05,440
mitigation remediation program." And so

1364
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:08,000
they need to follow these steps. So, so

1365
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,400
the the program that we're discussing

1366
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:12,000
today would still have the protections

1367
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:13,680
in place for those sites. It's not like

1368
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:17,280
it would it would reduce it. Okay. And then there would also be the that

1369
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:19,040
impacts. Thank you. I just wanted the

1370
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:22,000
clarification of if we decided not to go

1371
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:23,520
forward with it, uh what the impacts

1372
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:25,520
would be on our staffing levels, housing

1373
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:27,760
production, and that. And just a couple

1374
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:30,319
more followups and it it gets to some of

1375
01:00:30,319 --> 01:00:32,960
the points on

1376
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:36,640
especially in upper state street where

1377
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:39,520
so in here we we you discussed earlier

1378
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,160
that it does show that there is adequate

1379
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:44,720
level of service from fire for fire but

1380
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:46,240
one of the things that has come up in

1381
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:49,839
that that neighborhood is there's a fundamental change that could

1382
01:00:49,839 --> 01:00:52,480
take place and it is going citywide too

1383
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:53,680
but that's going to be one of the first

1384
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:57,119
areas and downtown as well is as we get

1385
01:00:57,119 --> 01:01:01,040
larger or taller buildings above three

1386
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:04,319
stories going up five or six or however

1387
01:01:04,319 --> 01:01:06,960
tall they go up in that area

1388
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:09,839
that it changes how the level of service

1389
01:01:09,839 --> 01:01:11,599
responding for fires is on those types

1390
01:01:11,599 --> 01:01:13,119
of buildings because we have people

1391
01:01:13,119 --> 01:01:14,319
would be living in them that's

1392
01:01:14,319 --> 01:01:15,920
fundamentally different than we are now.

1393
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:18,559
So if we were to say need another ladder

1394
01:01:18,559 --> 01:01:20,880
truck in that area

1395
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:22,559
to be able to adequately respond we

1396
01:01:22,559 --> 01:01:23,839
don't have that now. We don't have a

1397
01:01:23,839 --> 01:01:25,520
place to park it up there because the

1398
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:29,440
only ladder truck is downtown.

1399
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:31,359
Does this impact and it gets the earlier

1400
01:01:31,359 --> 01:01:34,079
questions, does it impact our ability to

1401
01:01:34,079 --> 01:01:36,880
uh respond? Um do we still have the

1402
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,200
ability to

1403
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:40,640
are we giving away basically are we

1404
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:42,799
giving any anything away in terms of

1405
01:01:42,799 --> 01:01:44,799
having a requirement that we that we

1406
01:01:44,799 --> 01:01:47,920
upgrade fire services up there?

1407
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:50,960
>> Uh council member Freeman, no. the the

1408
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,040
if there is a particular project that

1409
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:54,799
would require that there's not only SQL

1410
01:01:54,799 --> 01:01:57,280
findings but health and safety findings

1411
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:00,400
and so uh if there's a project that

1412
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:02,960
requires that then that project would

1413
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:06,000
need to address that uh this this

1414
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,640
process allows for streamlining but if

1415
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:11,440
there are those outlier projects that uh

1416
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:14,319
do need further types of review or there

1417
01:02:14,319 --> 01:02:16,480
there's considerations that don't line

1418
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:19,119
up with the assumptions in the EIR then

1419
01:02:19,119 --> 01:02:21,359
those would be addressed um by those

1420
01:02:21,359 --> 01:02:22,720
individual projects.

1421
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:24,400
>> Okay, perfect. That I just wanted to

1422
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:26,160
clarify based on some of the earlier

1423
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:28,079
questions, comments, and then again

1424
01:02:28,079 --> 01:02:30,640
water, wastewater, adequate park, open

1425
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:32,400
space,

1426
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:34,559
those still have a path that we can work

1427
01:02:34,559 --> 01:02:36,160
to address those within this. This is

1428
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:38,799
just having the EIR for these projects

1429
01:02:38,799 --> 01:02:40,400
so that there's a a way for it to go

1430
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:42,480
forward so it reduces the staff time of

1431
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:44,160
having to go in and do one of these

1432
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:46,400
anyways on their own, the programs on

1433
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:49,680
that. So, okay. Thank you.

1434
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:51,119
All right. Very good. Further questions

1435
01:02:51,119 --> 01:02:53,599
from council.

1436
01:02:53,599 --> 01:02:55,599
Okay. With that, we'll come back for

1437
01:02:55,599 --> 01:02:59,829
deliberation

1438
01:02:59,839 --> 01:03:02,400
comments. Uh, Miss Sn.

1439
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:04,400
>> Thank you, Mayor Rouse. I'll just um

1440
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:08,000
make the comments that I I I I do

1441
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:11,599
understand and appreciate um how this

1442
01:03:11,599 --> 01:03:17,039
could streamline housing production and appreciate the work on it. And it um

1443
01:03:17,039 --> 01:03:20,559
just for myself I have concerns that in

1444
01:03:20,559 --> 01:03:22,960
the holistic picture

1445
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:25,520
um there are studies we've not heard

1446
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:28,960
back yet um the the findings so things

1447
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:32,640
on fire stations to what the plan is for

1448
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:37,280
that schools um wastewater mitigations

1449
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:39,520
and then looking at that map that you

1450
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:41,200
showed with the green dots and the red

1451
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:44,240
dots you know all of the mesa was an

1452
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:47,599
active oil field and that's not flagged

1453
01:03:47,599 --> 01:03:52,079
on there as a large area. So, I'm um

1454
01:03:52,079 --> 01:03:56,400
hesitant to have a a overarching

1455
01:03:56,400 --> 01:04:00,000
holistic um EIR

1456
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:03,839
um that that exempts things first and

1457
01:04:03,839 --> 01:04:07,200
then goes back to projects. So, um, even

1458
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:08,720
though I can I can see what the

1459
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:11,760
streamlining um ability would be, I just

1460
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:16,240
am hesitant to streamline too far. So,

1461
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:18,240
um, I'll be voting no on it, but with

1462
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:20,000
very much appreciation for the work

1463
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:22,480
that's gone into it and hoping that, um,

1464
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:25,760
that work would help towards any future

1465
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:28,160
individual ERS that might make those

1466
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:30,000
faster.

1467
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:31,599
>> Miss Herman,

1468
01:04:31,599 --> 01:04:33,839
>> thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, yeah, I

1469
01:04:33,839 --> 01:04:35,520
appreciate those comments. I think I

1470
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:38,000
have um similar concerns. I just come

1471
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,079
down I think on the other side and and

1472
01:04:40,079 --> 01:04:44,400
for me I I I definitely agree there's um

1473
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:47,200
some things about a programmatic

1474
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:50,079
approach just in general I would say

1475
01:04:50,079 --> 01:04:51,839
particularly

1476
01:04:51,839 --> 01:04:53,920
um when we're talking about development

1477
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:56,400
just with all of the things that we have

1478
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:57,839
to deal with that seem to be sort of

1479
01:04:57,839 --> 01:05:00,160
taking away our local control any

1480
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:03,200
programmatic approach um I just have

1481
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:05,680
this gut reaction that feels like we're

1482
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:07,599
just continuing in that direction.

1483
01:05:07,599 --> 01:05:10,160
However, um and I know that wasn't that

1484
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:12,160
wasn't the criticism, but I that was my

1485
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:14,400
own tangent just there. Um I I think

1486
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:17,440
there are real questions that we'll need

1487
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:19,440
to keep our eye on, but generally

1488
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:22,799
speaking, um you know, we spend so much

1489
01:05:22,799 --> 01:05:24,640
time talking about how we have to

1490
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:27,680
facilitate housing production and to

1491
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:30,240
find ways to do that. And one of the

1492
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:32,079
long-standing concerns is the

1493
01:05:32,079 --> 01:05:34,640
environmental impacts of that housing

1494
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:36,720
production. And how can we thread the

1495
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:40,160
needle and do multiple things at once?

1496
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:42,480
How do we sort of walk and chew gum,

1497
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:45,119
produce housing, and um do it in a way

1498
01:05:45,119 --> 01:05:47,599
that's reflective of uh the other values

1499
01:05:47,599 --> 01:05:49,119
that we hold so dear. And I think this

1500
01:05:49,119 --> 01:05:52,160
is a step in that direction. So I will

1501
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:54,319
be supporting it today. I do acknowledge

1502
01:05:54,319 --> 01:05:56,240
um as council member Snedden did there

1503
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:58,799
are there are real concerns and those

1504
01:05:58,799 --> 01:06:00,799
concerns I think are something that are

1505
01:06:00,799 --> 01:06:03,119
wellounded. I know that you all are

1506
01:06:03,119 --> 01:06:06,160
watching those very closely as well. Um

1507
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:08,799
but in general I just think this slide

1508
01:06:08,799 --> 01:06:11,760
17 which is not up but I'm looking at

1509
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:15,440
it. Sorry. Um, this is where I I think

1510
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:18,799
it just for us um this makes this plan

1511
01:06:18,799 --> 01:06:20,640
is is the direction that we need to go

1512
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:22,880
and it's the best of of the alternative.

1513
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:24,400
So, I'll be supporting it today. Thank

1514
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:25,039
you,

1515
01:06:25,039 --> 01:06:26,480
>> Mr. Freriedman.

1516
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:28,480
>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you uh to my

1517
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:31,520
colleagues with robust discussion.

1518
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:33,839
I I follow where Council Member Harmon

1519
01:06:33,839 --> 01:06:36,240
is is.

1520
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:39,039
It's important that we do protect

1521
01:06:39,039 --> 01:06:40,559
neighborhoods and we address the issues

1522
01:06:40,559 --> 01:06:42,640
of water, schools, fire safety,

1523
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:44,799
evacuations

1524
01:06:44,799 --> 01:06:46,480
and there are other means that we need

1525
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:48,480
to do that other other opportunities

1526
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:50,880
through there. what this does that that

1527
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:56,000
doesn't change this by approving it and in fact one of the concerns I have

1528
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:58,960
is and many people in the community have

1529
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:00,559
is we keep saying we want to meet our

1530
01:07:00,559 --> 01:07:04,480
housing production numbers and one of

1531
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:07,359
the reasons is for communities that

1532
01:07:07,359 --> 01:07:10,079
aren't the state has already shown that

1533
01:07:10,079 --> 01:07:12,000
they are being heavy-handed in taking

1534
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:15,680
away local control and to have the

1535
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:19,760
ability to analyze these projects

1536
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:21,680
still have mitigation measures, still

1537
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:22,960
make sure they're going through the

1538
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:26,079
process, but at least demonstrate that

1539
01:07:26,079 --> 01:07:28,400
we are doing a good faith effort to

1540
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:30,799
produce housing.

1541
01:07:30,799 --> 01:07:33,680
That enables us in the long run to to

1542
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:35,599
show how we've done that to produce the

1543
01:07:35,599 --> 01:07:37,359
housing, not just plan to produce it.

1544
01:07:37,359 --> 01:07:41,039
Those that's the old days. And I would

1545
01:07:41,039 --> 01:07:43,200
have strong concerns if we didn't move

1546
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:46,240
forward with this today based on what uh

1547
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:49,599
staff said earlier that our own staff

1548
01:07:49,599 --> 01:07:51,440
would then have to go through and do

1549
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:53,520
these on an individual basis. A huge

1550
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:56,079
staff burden that were not budgeted for

1551
01:07:56,079 --> 01:07:57,680
that might actually come out to the

1552
01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:00,640
similar results that we have here. We

1553
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:02,240
would basically be spending a lot of

1554
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:04,000
time to get to right where we are here

1555
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:05,520
today.

1556
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:07,039
and it's the same staff that's working

1557
01:08:07,039 --> 01:08:10,079
on a lot of other major projects. So,

1558
01:08:10,079 --> 01:08:13,520
um, in terms of moving it forward, we do

1559
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:15,200
need to keep the eye on on a lot of

1560
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:16,480
these issues that development is

1561
01:08:16,480 --> 01:08:18,319
causing,

1562
01:08:18,319 --> 01:08:21,440
but uh, at the same time, we're either

1563
01:08:21,440 --> 01:08:22,719
going to move forward with housing

1564
01:08:22,719 --> 01:08:24,560
production where we need it and in

1565
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:26,560
strategic areas and facilitate that or

1566
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:29,040
we're not. So, uh, that goes in into

1567
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:31,839
that, uh, housing production, but also

1568
01:08:31,839 --> 01:08:33,440
the oversight to make sure we're not

1569
01:08:33,440 --> 01:08:35,520
putting, you know, u in areas that we

1570
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:37,279
don't want it. So, uh, this went through

1571
01:08:37,279 --> 01:08:38,640
the planning commission. Our staff has

1572
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:41,199
vetted it. It's more in line with what

1573
01:08:41,199 --> 01:08:43,279
the state law is so we can keep local

1574
01:08:43,279 --> 01:08:44,719
control. So, those are the reasons I'm

1575
01:08:44,719 --> 01:08:46,480
voting for it.

1576
01:08:46,480 --> 01:08:49,120
>> Miss Santa Maria,

1577
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:50,799
>> thank you, Mayor Rouse. Thank you to my

1578
01:08:50,799 --> 01:08:52,159
colleagues. I think you all made some

1579
01:08:52,159 --> 01:08:54,560
excellent points.

1580
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:56,400
I I'll I'll speak a little bit more

1581
01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:58,400
broadly and then get to this, but when

1582
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:00,640
we talk about the solutions to the

1583
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:02,480
housing crisis, I think we can all agree

1584
01:09:02,480 --> 01:09:04,239
there is not just one solution to it

1585
01:09:04,239 --> 01:09:06,319
all. Supply is a really big factor in

1586
01:09:06,319 --> 01:09:09,279
it, but if we don't develop in a

1587
01:09:09,279 --> 01:09:11,279
thoughtful manner, then that can have

1588
01:09:11,279 --> 01:09:12,799
those unintended consequences in our

1589
01:09:12,799 --> 01:09:14,480
neighborhoods, similar to what mayor

1590
01:09:14,480 --> 01:09:16,000
prompts that and me or some of those

1591
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:19,199
that she mentioned. Um,

1592
01:09:19,199 --> 01:09:21,759
I'll cut right to the chase and say I

1593
01:09:21,759 --> 01:09:24,319
I'm inclined to support this, but with a

1594
01:09:24,319 --> 01:09:27,759
lot of hesitation to be honest, because

1595
01:09:27,759 --> 01:09:31,120
we are essentially voting

1596
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:34,159
on information that we don't fully have

1597
01:09:34,159 --> 01:09:36,960
yet, it seems to me, um, if we don't

1598
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:39,759
have the, you know, the findings when it

1599
01:09:39,759 --> 01:09:44,239
comes to the the fire safety areas,

1600
01:09:44,239 --> 01:09:46,000
you know, that that is something that

1601
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:48,560
we're going to have to deal with later.

1602
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:52,640
And so I I'm I support moving this

1603
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:55,600
forward given that staff has laid out

1604
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:58,640
mitigation uh methods and there are

1605
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:01,280
there do seem to be other avenues of us

1606
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:04,320
catching these additional consequences

1607
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:07,360
that may result from development. So I

1608
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:15,199
will support this. Um, but I I I want to volunteer myself as to to be a

1609
01:10:15,199 --> 01:10:18,159
partner in this to help really keep a

1610
01:10:18,159 --> 01:10:21,440
sharp eye on these developments because,

1611
01:10:21,440 --> 01:10:24,320
as a lot of folks will tell you, when

1612
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:25,760
you are living right next to a

1613
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:28,640
development, if that development was not

1614
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:30,560
thought out and planned with the input

1615
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:32,400
of the surrounding neighborhood, it is

1616
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:34,719
going to cause some serious impacts. And

1617
01:10:34,719 --> 01:10:36,880
the people that have, you know,

1618
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:38,640
purchased or live property right next to

1619
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:40,719
it, you know, they're like they're going

1620
01:10:40,719 --> 01:10:42,880
to have to suffer the consequences. And

1621
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:44,960
it's not necessarily just an

1622
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:46,400
individual's issue, right? If they're

1623
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:48,400
neighbor, it's also a city-wide issue if

1624
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:51,520
we are experiencing issues with um you

1625
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:56,800
know, the other myriad of things. So, I want us to

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01:10:56,800 --> 01:10:59,360
in the in the larger scheme of things, I

1627
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:01,440
would encourage us to think about how do

1628
01:11:01,440 --> 01:11:03,679
we meet developers where they're at so

1629
01:11:03,679 --> 01:11:06,159
that they can develop housing, but not

1630
01:11:06,159 --> 01:11:09,440
at the risk of these neighborhood

1631
01:11:09,440 --> 01:11:14,960
impacts that we can foresee and that we can do something about. And I really

1632
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:16,560
just want to celebrate staff. you are

1633
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:18,719
all clearly doing an incredible job

1634
01:11:18,719 --> 01:11:21,040
laying out all of the mitigation the

1635
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:22,480
ways that you will mitigate some of

1636
01:11:22,480 --> 01:11:25,120
these issues. I just have concerns about

1637
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:26,719
the parts where we don't have all the

1638
01:11:26,719 --> 01:11:30,000
data yet. Um so I I really just want to

1639
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:32,320
however I can support in helping keep an

1640
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:34,880
eye on on things so that when we do have

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01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:36,480
that data if we need to make any

1642
01:11:36,480 --> 01:11:37,760
amendments to how we're approaching

1643
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:40,239
things we can do so. But um thank you to

1644
01:11:40,239 --> 01:11:41,760
our staff for all the work that you're

1645
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:44,480
doing. Uh I'll I'll be supporting this

1646
01:11:44,480 --> 01:11:46,000
moving forward.

1647
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:47,600
And council member Sanry, I just want to

1648
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:49,440
thank you for your comments. You know, I

1649
01:11:49,440 --> 01:11:51,600
think it's very important and you know,

1650
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:54,400
just to reiterate, staff will every

1651
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:56,400
application that comes in will receive

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01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:58,960
thorough review. And so for those that

1653
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:01,040
do not have the data that you're

1654
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:03,199
suggesting, that will be part of the

1655
01:12:03,199 --> 01:12:04,960
that initial review process. So, we

1656
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:06,800
appreciate the the comments and just

1657
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:08,719
know that the staff team is very

1658
01:12:08,719 --> 01:12:10,960
thoughtful and you know, these projects

1659
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:12,880
will still go through comprehensive

1660
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:15,040
review by our development team. Thank

1661
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:17,360
you.

1662
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:18,960
>> All right. Very good. Well, I've rarely

1663
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:21,199
heard over my years about projects not

1664
01:12:21,199 --> 01:12:23,120
having enough review in this town, but

1665
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:27,679
it's uh it's really tough because I'm very critical of the whole arena

1666
01:12:27,679 --> 01:12:29,520
process and the way the algorithms work

1667
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:30,800
and how they get to the numbers they're

1668
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:33,040
at. I I this there's a lot of hocus

1669
01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:34,960
pocus there, but it is what it is. And

1670
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:37,440
it's hard because you have a lot of

1671
01:12:37,440 --> 01:12:39,600
conflicting direction from the state of

1672
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:42,719
California in terms of build this, check

1673
01:12:42,719 --> 01:12:46,480
that, do this, but don't do that. And the local agencies end up paying the

1674
01:12:46,480 --> 01:12:48,080
price in terms of staff time and

1675
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:51,760
capacity. And these housing almost we

1676
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:53,360
all went through that not too long ago,

1677
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:57,040
did we not mistake? Yes. So, um I'll be

1678
01:12:57,040 --> 01:13:00,640
supporting this. Um, but it is hard when

1679
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:02,800
I look at things like saying, "Well, we

1680
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:04,239
got to make sure we have the

1681
01:13:04,239 --> 01:13:06,080
infrastructure, we have the schools, we

1682
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:08,719
have the road capacity. Oh, and by the

1683
01:13:08,719 --> 01:13:11,280
way, we need to build a gazillion units

1684
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:14,960
on this acre." Um, and boy, is it

1685
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:17,840
confusing to figure out developers are

1686
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:19,360
also scratching their heads figuring out

1687
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:22,159
what is it you want and not you collect,

1688
01:13:22,159 --> 01:13:24,080
you collectively, the state versus the

1689
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:26,560
city versus all these things. So, uh,

1690
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:29,040
but now we're also

1691
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:31,040
kind of rooting for the SQL process in a

1692
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:33,280
lot of ways. So, it's it's important

1693
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:35,600
that we have some consistency as much as

1694
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:38,640
possible even though this is a a broader

1695
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:42,080
thing. I I say I I like Miss Mackado, I

1696
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:44,159
have a lot of faith that staff is going

1697
01:13:44,159 --> 01:13:46,560
to be going to have no lack of scrutiny

1698
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:48,960
when it comes to these projects and how

1699
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:51,120
they fit in. It is important though I

1700
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:52,880
think like Miss Santa Maria said is

1701
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:54,800
about the impacts on neighborhoods the

1702
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:56,800
impacts of the sanctity of a

1703
01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:59,440
neighborhood as it respects density

1704
01:13:59,440 --> 01:14:02,239
parking schools the whole thing that

1705
01:14:02,239 --> 01:14:04,320
stuff is still really really important I

1706
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:05,840
think it gets shoved under the bus for

1707
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:07,920
the desire to build housing and if an

1708
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:11,679
item from time to time so uh very

1709
01:14:11,679 --> 01:14:14,159
complex very tough process but I will be

1710
01:14:14,159 --> 01:14:17,760
supporting uh the effort from staff uh

1711
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:19,679
are there any further comments Or should

1712
01:14:19,679 --> 01:14:23,040
we go to a motion?

1713
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:24,800
>> I'll move staff recommendation.

1714
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:26,000
>> Moved by Harmon.

1715
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:26,560
>> Second.

1716
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:28,560
by Santa Maria. May we have the

1717
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:34,550
vote, please, Madam Clerk?

1718
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:36,800
» Yes. This is a motion for the

1719
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:38,960
recommended action for item five. Motion

1720
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:40,640
by Council Member Harmon, seconded by

1721
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:42,960
Council Member Santa Maria. Please go

1722
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:52,950
ahead and vote.

1723
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:56,640
passes uh 5 to1. Miss Sneden voting in

1724
01:14:56,640 --> 01:14:59,360
opposition, Mr. Jordan absent.

1725
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:02,000
All right, very good. Thank you. Uh with

1726
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:03,840
that, we will move on to any committee

1727
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:05,520
assignment reports. Anybody have one

1728
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:10,480
from the gallery here,

1729
01:15:10,480 --> 01:15:15,030
Miss Ned?

1730
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:17,280
Sorry, I just lost my list. Uh, come

1731
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:22,709
back to me. Thank

1732
01:15:22,719 --> 01:15:23,920
» Oh, you don't? Okay, I'm sorry. Mr.

1733
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:26,000
Freeman,

1734
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:28,800
>> I just want to thank all the volunteers

1735
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:31,360
and all the families that participated

1736
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:33,440
in Fiesta this year. It was a great

1737
01:15:33,440 --> 01:15:35,760
year. There was there was expansion out

1738
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:37,840
into Coast Village Road and Galita and

1739
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:39,199
more of an effort. I know my colleagues,

1740
01:15:39,199 --> 01:15:40,400
we all enjoyed going to the different

1741
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:42,320
ones. So, it was a great time in Santa

1742
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:43,679
Barbara to show what we were about the

1743
01:15:43,679 --> 01:15:45,679
community and again just wanted to thank

1744
01:15:45,679 --> 01:15:47,360
everybody for making this year's fiesta

1745
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:49,040
successful and all the events. Look

1746
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:50,320
forward to next year's.

1747
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:51,440
>> Thank you, Miss Schmid.

1748
01:15:51,440 --> 01:15:53,120
>> Thank you, Mayor Ross. Um, so I'd like

1749
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:55,360
to congratulate Linda Crop on her

1750
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:58,000
congressional woman of the year. Um, we

1751
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:00,239
did hold a sustainability council

1752
01:16:00,239 --> 01:16:02,960
committee meeting and heard about uh the

1753
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:04,880
better building um proposals that we'll

1754
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:06,719
be hearing about um in our joint

1755
01:16:06,719 --> 01:16:09,120
planning commission meeting. And I also

1756
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:11,920
attended at the um CEC the climate

1757
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:15,440
Fridays where um Aleia Prento gave a

1758
01:16:15,440 --> 01:16:17,199
fabulous presentation on the better

1759
01:16:17,199 --> 01:16:19,199
building and was able to um work with

1760
01:16:19,199 --> 01:16:22,159
the community answering questions. Um

1761
01:16:22,159 --> 01:16:24,239
the Museum of Contemporary Art, there is

1762
01:16:24,239 --> 01:16:27,520
a show up now that was put on by um

1763
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:29,760
Sunun the Space. Um it's an indigenous

1764
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:34,960
art show. It's up all week. Um really encourage people to go see that.

1765
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:37,120
And then at neighborhood advisory

1766
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:40,800
committee um the committee heard about

1767
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:44,080
or council heard about um residential

1768
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:46,560
permitting and some sort of the pros and

1769
01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:48,640
cons of that.

1770
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:51,520
>> Thank you. Uh big shout out to whoever

1771
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:53,360
cleaned up day plasma was back. Is that

1772
01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:55,199
parks and wreck?

1773
01:16:55,199 --> 01:16:57,120
>> It is uh maintenance staff parks and

1774
01:16:57,120 --> 01:16:58,640
wreck. It's a combination of a whole

1775
01:16:58,640 --> 01:16:59,440
host of team.

1776
01:16:59,440 --> 01:17:00,960
>> I want those people in my garage for

1777
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:02,560
sure. That was amazing. By the time I

1778
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:04,000
got here Monday, it was like nothing had

1779
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:04,719
ever happened.

1780
01:17:04,719 --> 01:17:06,960
>> It's a miracle like how clean Sunday was

1781
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:09,600
gone quickly. Wow. Pretty amazing. Okay,

1782
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:11,360
if there are no further comments or

1783
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:13,679
questions, we will move to a journ.

1784
01:17:13,679 --> 01:17:16,000
>> Thank you.

1785
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:17,280
>> Yeah, that was at me. I get out there.

1786
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:37,093
It was like

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