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A.M. We'd like to go ahead and

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start the meeting. First item

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of order is the Pledge of

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Allegiance. So MAY I ask you

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all to please stand? I pledge

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allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to

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the Republic for which it

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stands. One nation under GOD,

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indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all. Thank you all.

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MR. Villalobos, do you mind

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reading to us the tv coverage

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announcement? Yes. Thank you,

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MR. Chair, and good morning to

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the Commission. Planning

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Commission hearings are

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televised live on the County of

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Santa Barbara Television

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Kswb-tv, channel 20, at 9 A.M.

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In the South Coast, Lompoc

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Valley area and areas.

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Rebroadcast of Planning

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Commission hearings on Fridays

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at 5 P.M. On Kswb-tv channel 20.

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Today's hearing will also be

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streamed live on the county's

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website, as well as the

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county's YouTube channel, and

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will be available for download

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in a day or two. Should I move

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on to roll call? Yes, please.

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Thank you. Great. Commissioner.

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Mayor Connor here, here. Thank

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you. Commissioner Ford here.

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Commissioner Martinez here and

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chair Guy here. And then

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Commissioner Park will be

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joining us shortly. Yes. Okay.

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The agenda status report. Good

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morning, chair. Members of the

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commission. Looking at the

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status of our agenda today, we

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have one item on consent which

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is a government code

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consistency. And then we have

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on our agenda. My understanding

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is applicants and staff are

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ready to present on all those

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items. Okay, MR. Wilson, I'm

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going to ask that we make a

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change. And I know there's

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quite a few people here in the

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room. Unfortunately, I'm going

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to ask that we move the second

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item, which is the t mobile

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telecommunications facility, to

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the end. Unfortunately,

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Commissioner Park is not here

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at the moment, but he's he's in

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process. He's been delayed. And

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it's important that he's here

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for this item. If we could do

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so, then I would like you to

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move up. I believe it's the

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Wollover llc. So. Yeah. MR.

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Chair. Sorry, Mel. Move. Yes.

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Go ahead. What would be the

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best order for us? So, MR.

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Chair and Commissioners, if I

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MAY, provide a recommendation

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in concert, we're talking with

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staff. The recommendation is we

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move item number one off the

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Senate agenda, which is t

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mobile, to the last item on the

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agenda. And then the order

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would be as follows. The first

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item on the agenda would be the

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mammoth tentative parcel map,

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followed by the Wollover llc

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lot line adjustment. And then

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the third item would be the

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land in equestrian arena and

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small scale event. And then

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we'll end the day with the t

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mobile communication facility.

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That sounds fantastic. Thank

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you. So moving on to the

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projection report. Thank you,

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MR. Chair. And commissioners,

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looking at upcoming hearings,

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we canceled the SEPTEMBER 2nd

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hearing and then the next

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hearing after that would be on

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SEPTEMBER 9th. And we have one

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item on consent. And then we

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have one item on the standard

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agenda, which is a track map,

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and that is located in the

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Saint Louis area. And I'm just

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for the commission. SEPTEMBER

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9th will be in Santa Maria, and

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then moving further down on our

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agendas is looking at. Some.

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the Ministerial Streamlining

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Amendment Workshop. And just so

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the commissioners just. You do

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that, the start time for the

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SEPTEMBER 30th date is going to

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be at 1 P.M. And that will be

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here in Santa Barbara. And then

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Montecito Planning Commission

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will be having the same

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workshop, and theirs is going

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to start at nine. So SEPTEMBER

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30th, we'll be here in Santa

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Barbara at 1:00. And we did add

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one other item from long range

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planning, which is the Eastern

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circulation elements. So after

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the workshop, we'll have

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planning. And then following

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that, we canceled the OCTOBER

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7th hearing to allow for an

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alignment of hearings between

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the Montecito Planning

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Commission and the County

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Planning Commission. So we will

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not meet again until OCTOBER

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when we'll have the first

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hearing on the ministerial

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streamlining amendments

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adoption. And then we'll also

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have one other item on that

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date, which is a lot split or

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lot line adjustment. That's

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planning, which is a

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ministerial processing of lot

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splits. And then on OCTOBER

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28th, we have three items. We

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have a second hearing from

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ministerial streamlining

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amendments in case we need it.

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items from long range planning,

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not I'm sorry, development

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Review Division, which is a

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hotel expansion in Los Olivos.

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development, Isla Vista. Then

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on NOVEMBER 4th, we are looking

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at having a hearing where we're

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bringing the actual completed

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ordinance amendments, general

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plan amendments on the

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Recreation Master Plan to the

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County Planning Commission, and

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then following NOVEMBER 4th,

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because of holidays. We do have

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a tbd on there, but I don't

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think we're going to be able to

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make that, because I think

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that's actually. A holiday.

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Veterans Day. So we can talk at

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another hearing if we want to

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reschedule it. But I think

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following that, we have things

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Thanksgiving. And so I don't

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know if we want to have a

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hearing right before

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Thanksgiving due to staff

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availability and commissioners

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availability. So I'll work with

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MR. Villalobos and staff to see

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if we have another hearing for

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NOVEMBER. But when we looked at

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it, we didn't hadn't identified

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another date, so that would put

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us no more hearings in NOVEMBER,

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and then that would bring us

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back in DECEMBER for another

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hearing on the recreation,

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recreation Master Plan

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amendments. And then we also

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have another item from long

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range planning, which is the

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moderate income density bonus,

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Ordinance amendments. So there

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think, that are. Being looked

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at and being placed on the

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projection report as well. And

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so at our next hearing you'll

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probably see more items on

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there as well. So the at the

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end of the year, there's a

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number of items that are going

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to be showing up on the

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projection report. So that's

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the current status of right now.

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MR. Chair. Thank you, MR.

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Wilson, for the update on the

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projection report. We

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appreciate it. The public

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comment. Yes. Thank you, MR.

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Chair. So for those of you here

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today, this is a time that we

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allow for public comment on

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items, not on today's agenda. I

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have not received any speaker

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slips, but if anyone would like

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to speak, just rise. Or if

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you're online, raise your

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virtual hand and I'll call on

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you. And so of course, this is

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again for not related to items

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on today's agenda, seeing no

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one rise, do we have one person

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out here? Do you have an item

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that's not on the agenda? Okay.

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means no speakers at this time.

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Okay. Thank you, MR. Villalobos.

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Planning commissioners,

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informal reports. Individual

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commissioners MAY present

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briefly reports on planning

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issues such as seminars,

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meetings and literature that

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would be of interest to the

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public and the Commission as a

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whole. Do any commissioner,

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mayor Connor? No. Okay. Thank

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you. Any any comments? Okay.

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fast. And and next would be the

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minutes from the AUGUST 12th

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meeting. So. So at this point,

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you would just ask if anyone

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has any amendments to the

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minutes. And if no, then a

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motion. So I have read the

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minutes from the AUGUST 12th

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meeting. Does anybody have any

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objections to the minutes as

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presented. No objections. Okay.

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Anybody want to make a motion

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to accept the minutes as

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presented. Thank you,

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Commissioner Connor. Thank you,

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Commissioner Ford. All in favor?

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Aye. Any opposed? None. Passes

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four zero. Next is director's

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report and Board of Supervisors

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hearing summary. Good morning,

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MR. Chair. And members of the

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Commission. I have a few

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announcements that I want to

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repeat. I had made them at our

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last meeting when you were in

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Santa Maria, but Farm Day is

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the 19th of SEPTEMBER, and if

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you have never been to it, I

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really recommend attendance.

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informative just about what's

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happening in the Santa Maria

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Valley, issues that the

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agricultural families and

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companies deal with, struggles

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that they MAY have. And then

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there's. Some guest speakers

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that you go on a tour and you

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just it's really amazing how

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much you learn about things

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that you had no idea. Like one

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of the farming families there

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developed an entire piece of

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equipment. It's like a, it's a

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truck, basically that comes

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into the field. They put their

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romaine lettuce on it. It goes

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through it packages, it comes

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out and it's packaged, ready,

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stamped with a date and ready

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to go to a store. It's amazing,

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you know, and that how quickly

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berries get into the market,

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that kind of thing. So it's

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just really, really an

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informative day and I've

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enjoyed it each time I've gone.

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So they motivated me to do a

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garden bed and they gave me a

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some kale to start and it's

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just really cool. So I

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recommend it if you, if you can

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make it. And then Commissioner

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Park talked about this, but

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there is an ag tourism summit

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that's going to be held in Paso

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Robles, and that is on the 23rd

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through the 25th of SEPTEMBER.

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We are looking at having

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somebody from the county attend

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to talk about the ag Enterprise

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ordinance and sort of the

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lessons that we've learned as

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we've implemented that program

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and realizing some of the

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tweaks we have needed to make.

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We did come back with one

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already. So they've asked us to

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attend, and we're going to work

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to try and make that happen.

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And then just recent board

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actions, the Hagfors rezone in

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Santa Ynez Valley went from c2

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to c3. That was approved by the

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board on the 18th. Their first

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hearing back from the break.

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And then future board actions.

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I wanted to update the

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commission on something that

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the second and third district

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are bringing on the 1st of

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SEPTEMBER, and it is tied to

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retail firearms shops. And I

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don't know if you were tracking

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some of the issues that came

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out of a retailer going into a

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space next to a child care

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facility in the city of Goleta,

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but there was a lot of

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community concern about it. So

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our two board members are

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bringing an item forward to

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direct the department to look

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at creating an ordinance that

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establishes buffers to

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sensitive receptors for retail

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firearm stores, so that that

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item, and then they're also

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bringing forward a request for

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a moratorium, a temporary

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moratorium, so that the county

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has sufficient time to bring

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that ordinance back before

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additional retailers start

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moving around and shifting

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spaces. We will also have the

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board here. The second item,

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the second hearing on the

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utility scale, solar, I think I

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mentioned the last Planning

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Commission hearing some of the

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notable things that the board

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did include creating an a

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zoning clearance for standalone

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battery energy storage systems

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up to 0.25 acres, and then also

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creating a zoning clearance for

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agricultural operations that

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are using solar on site to

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allow them to have up to 15

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acres of solar. Provided that

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all of that power that's

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generated by that solar is used

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for that agricultural operation

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on that particular site. And

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that was a request that had

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come from the Shipper Growers

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Association. And we managed to

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review our environmental

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documents to determine that. We

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thought we had it sufficiently

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covered in the eir. So we're

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going to move forward with that

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recommendation for the board.

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Then on the first, we also have

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an update and a reassessment of

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our Coastal Resource Mitigation

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fund fees during the times that

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oil and gas operators in the

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coastal zone are non-operative,

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their fees go down, but once

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they become operative, then the

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fees can be reassessed. And so

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we are bringing back a

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reassessment for the Sabl.

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Operations at Los Flores Canyon

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and then bringing oil through

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the pipeline. So that will

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increase the available funds

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that we will have in that in

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the fund that is then made

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available to nonprofits and

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governmental agencies that are

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doing work in the coastal zone,

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either for coastal restoration

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or recreation. We see lots of

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proposals that come in, and

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later this fall, we are going

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to be opening that process back

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up. And so we'll we also have

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money set aside for

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acquisitions, coastal

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acquisitions. So we've been

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going on a cycle of every two

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years because the fund has been

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shrinking over the years as oil

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and gas operations have ceased.

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But we seem to have more money

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now. And so there will be a

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good opportunity for nonprofits

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to come forward and ask for

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funds for their specific

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projects. We've seen some

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really great things like Nature

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Track, which is where this

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nonprofit comes in, and they

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have wheelchairs that are

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basically like four wheel drive

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for handicapped people to be

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able to get to the beach and

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explore tide pools and things

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like that. We've given money to

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the aquarium that they have at

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Cabrillo High School, and then

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kelp reforestation. So there's

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a lot of really interesting

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projects that get funded

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through that. On the 15th of

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SEPTEMBER, we have the oil and

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gas item that's coming back.

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It's phase one of changes to

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the oil and gas provisions in

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the county. Phase one is

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prevention of the drilling of

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new wells, and then once the

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board takes action on that

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phase two, which has already

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been initiated, that is the

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study of amortizing oil and gas

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as being phased out over a

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period of time so that they can

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operators still achieve their

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investment backed expectations.

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There are other jurisdictions

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that have moved forward with it.

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I think County of La La city

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and then Culver City all have

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programs. The airport land use,

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consistent land use plan,

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consistency amendments. And

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this is just the step the

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county takes to bring our codes

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into conformance with sb Kags

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new airport land use plan,

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which is a few years old. So

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we're a little bit behind, but

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that's going to be heard on the

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22nd. And I believe that's

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already been heard by the pc.

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We have two projects going in

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NOVEMBER on the 10th to the

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board Constellation project,

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which is in Vandenberg Village,

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and that is a combination of a

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hotel and residential. And then

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the Malkin gpa rezone lot line

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adjustment will be at the board

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on the 10th of NOVEMBER, and I

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am happy to answer any

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questions. Thank you, MISS

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Plowman. Yes. Okay. Next agenda

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item. I'm sorry. Oh thank you.

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Okay. Next item is the consent

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agenda items and procedure, MR.

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Villalobos. Thank you, MR.

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Chair. The following is a

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hearing on the request of Kevin

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Thompson, Laguna County

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Sanitation District. Consider

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case number 26g0v5 for

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determination that the solids

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Handling phase three project

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conforms with the Comprehensive

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Plan of the County of Santa

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Barbara. Pursuant to California

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Government Code, section 65402.

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And I believe both MR. Ortega

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and MR. Thompson are online, if

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there are any questions. Okay.

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Before we go to that, is there

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any ex parte communication or

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site visits that anybody would

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like to report on this item? Oh,

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I only say that because I did

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do a site visit so that I would

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have a better understanding of

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the of the facility. And I did

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meet with Kevin Thompson. Okay.

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So, MR. Chair, at this point, I

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believe what you would ask the

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commissioners if there are any

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questions or any requests to

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pull the item off of consent,

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then we need to ask for public

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comment. If the answer to both

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is no, then we would be looking

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for a motion. Okay. Thank you

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very much, MR. Villalobos. So

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I'm going to ask the

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commissioners, does anybody

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have any comment or any other

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information? MR. Commissioner,

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Mayor Connor no, none. So

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there's no no questions or

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comments from the commissioners.

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So I'd like to open it up for

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public comment. Is there any

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public comment on the solids

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Handling phase three project?

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For those of us joining us

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online? Raise your virtual hand

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if you'd like to speak on this

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item. No hands raised, no hands

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raised. Okay. At this point,

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I'll make a motion. I'm sorry,

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I'll make a motion. Okay. I

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would I'm looking for somebody

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to make a motion. Commissioner

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Ford, thank you so much. I'd

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like to make a motion to accept

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this. The phase solids handling

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phase three government code

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conformity determination.

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Second. Second. Any discussion?

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Okay. All in favor? Aye. None

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opposed. Motion carries. Thank

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you. At this point, we move to

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the standard agenda items, MR.

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Villalobos. Yes. I'm just

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looking at my cheat sheet for

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which one comes first. Okay.

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Thank you. The following is a

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hearing on the request of Bret

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Jones, agent for the owner,

564
00:40:18,221 --> 00:40:21,221
David Malmuth, to consider case

565
00:40:22,435 --> 00:40:26,350
number 24tpm2 and to adopt the

566
00:40:26,830 --> 00:40:28,830
mitigated negative declaration,

567
00:40:30,170 --> 00:40:33,170
case number 25ngd4, and adopt

568
00:40:34,715 --> 00:40:36,715
the Mitigation monitoring

569
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,000
program contained in the

570
00:40:41,827 --> 00:40:44,827
conditions of approval. So I

571
00:40:44,939 --> 00:40:47,647
would like to ask if there's

572
00:40:47,647 --> 00:40:50,650
any ex parte communication or

573
00:40:50,650 --> 00:40:53,585
site visits to share prior to.

574
00:40:53,585 --> 00:40:55,985
Yes. Okay. Commissioner mayor

575
00:40:56,287 --> 00:40:59,198
Connor, thank you. I visited

576
00:40:59,198 --> 00:41:00,890
the site of this project with

577
00:41:00,890 --> 00:41:03,886
the agent. Bret Jones had an

578
00:41:03,886 --> 00:41:06,286
informative tour and he

579
00:41:06,904 --> 00:41:09,481
explained the project to me and

580
00:41:09,481 --> 00:41:12,161
the tentative parcel map. That

581
00:41:12,161 --> 00:41:14,757
was last week. Great. Thank you.

582
00:41:14,757 --> 00:41:17,757
Anybody else? Okay. I would

583
00:41:17,826 --> 00:41:21,278
like to also share that I

584
00:41:21,278 --> 00:41:24,878
visited the site on Monday with

585
00:41:24,972 --> 00:41:27,972
Commissioner Park. We also met

586
00:41:28,812 --> 00:41:32,310
with MR. MR. Jones who gave us

587
00:41:32,310 --> 00:41:34,310
a comprehensive understanding

588
00:41:35,595 --> 00:41:39,425
of the project. So now I would

589
00:41:39,425 --> 00:41:43,255
like to do I ask the applicant

590
00:41:43,255 --> 00:41:46,712
to or ask staff. Okay. I'd like

591
00:41:46,712 --> 00:41:50,570
to ask staff to please report.

592
00:41:50,570 --> 00:41:52,457
Good morning, Chair and

593
00:41:53,917 --> 00:41:56,317
commissioners. My name is

594
00:41:57,430 --> 00:42:00,430
Tatiana and I'm the assigned

595
00:42:00,810 --> 00:42:03,810
planner for the Mammoth Parcel

596
00:42:04,402 --> 00:42:07,402
Map project. Maybe this. Okay.

597
00:42:08,314 --> 00:42:11,314
Okay, so this proposed project

598
00:42:11,612 --> 00:42:15,212
is a request for a tentative

599
00:42:15,475 --> 00:42:18,475
parcel map to subdivide a 9.67

600
00:42:20,391 --> 00:42:23,100
acre parcel into four lots,

601
00:42:23,100 --> 00:42:26,100
ranging from 2 to 2.75 acres in

602
00:42:26,908 --> 00:42:29,637
size. The project site is

603
00:42:29,637 --> 00:42:32,296
outlined in red on this aerial

604
00:42:32,296 --> 00:42:35,296
imagery. The project is at 704

605
00:42:35,895 --> 00:42:38,895
North Refugio Road in Santa

606
00:42:39,940 --> 00:42:41,792
Ynez and is zoned one e one

607
00:42:41,792 --> 00:42:44,192
single family residential. The

608
00:42:45,552 --> 00:42:47,952
residential neighborhood to the

609
00:42:48,572 --> 00:42:52,772
north is also zoned one e one

610
00:42:54,133 --> 00:42:57,133
and is primarily composed of

611
00:42:58,342 --> 00:43:01,342
one acre lots. The neighborhood

612
00:43:02,545 --> 00:43:06,145
to the north and east are

613
00:43:06,286 --> 00:43:08,686
developed with single family

614
00:43:09,534 --> 00:43:12,534
residences, and the areas to

615
00:43:13,149 --> 00:43:16,149
the south and west are

616
00:43:16,874 --> 00:43:18,874
agriculture zoned parcels

617
00:43:21,868 --> 00:43:23,868
containing Rancho Estates,

618
00:43:26,616 --> 00:43:28,616
vineyards, winery and

619
00:43:31,620 --> 00:43:34,620
agriculture. The project is for

620
00:43:34,785 --> 00:43:37,185
subdivision of a 9.67 acre

621
00:43:38,195 --> 00:43:41,195
parcel into four lots, a 28

622
00:43:41,913 --> 00:43:44,313
foot wide private driveway

623
00:43:45,216 --> 00:43:48,200
easement, depicted here in blue,

624
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,800
follows the path of an existing

625
00:43:51,862 --> 00:43:54,262
driveway that currently serves

626
00:43:55,812 --> 00:43:58,212
the residential development on

627
00:43:59,478 --> 00:44:02,478
the site. This easement would

628
00:44:03,148 --> 00:44:06,148
would allow for improvements to

629
00:44:06,505 --> 00:44:08,905
the existing driveway. A 20

630
00:44:09,916 --> 00:44:12,316
foot wide public utility

631
00:44:13,691 --> 00:44:16,910
easement along the northern

632
00:44:17,230 --> 00:44:19,423
property line, which is

633
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,903
depicted in orange, is also

634
00:44:22,903 --> 00:44:25,632
proposed. There is an as built

635
00:44:25,632 --> 00:44:28,632
guest house and garage which

636
00:44:29,338 --> 00:44:32,338
are proposed to remain on

637
00:44:32,563 --> 00:44:36,497
parcel one, which is has a star

638
00:44:36,497 --> 00:44:39,139
here on the screen and their

639
00:44:39,139 --> 00:44:42,139
proposed. The guest house is

640
00:44:42,163 --> 00:44:45,340
proposed to be validated as a

641
00:44:45,340 --> 00:44:47,434
single family dwelling with

642
00:44:47,637 --> 00:44:50,188
approval of a separate Land Use

643
00:44:50,188 --> 00:44:52,588
permit. Proposed parcels two

644
00:44:53,143 --> 00:44:55,642
and four, which are highlighted

645
00:44:55,642 --> 00:44:58,334
here, are currently vacant and

646
00:44:58,334 --> 00:45:00,755
MAY be developed with a single

647
00:45:00,755 --> 00:45:03,205
family residence in the future,

648
00:45:03,205 --> 00:45:05,622
and proposed parcel three will

649
00:45:05,622 --> 00:45:07,622
contain the permitted 2600

650
00:45:08,900 --> 00:45:11,300
square foot single family

651
00:45:12,420 --> 00:45:15,376
dwelling, a detached garage and

652
00:45:15,376 --> 00:45:18,376
private septic system. Which is

653
00:45:19,251 --> 00:45:22,200
also in the stars there. Next,

654
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,358
I want to draw your attention

655
00:45:25,358 --> 00:45:28,358
to the southern property line,

656
00:45:28,627 --> 00:45:31,270
where a required 100 foot

657
00:45:31,796 --> 00:45:34,181
agricultural buffer is proposed.

658
00:45:34,181 --> 00:45:36,297
The buffers measured from the

659
00:45:36,297 --> 00:45:38,722
shared property line, which is

660
00:45:38,722 --> 00:45:41,122
adjacent to the agriculture

661
00:45:41,482 --> 00:45:44,482
zoned property that is under

662
00:45:44,548 --> 00:45:46,548
commercial agricultural

663
00:45:47,363 --> 00:45:49,363
production, low intensity

664
00:45:50,556 --> 00:45:52,956
residential development such as

665
00:45:53,464 --> 00:45:55,864
single family residences, are

666
00:45:56,341 --> 00:45:58,341
allowed within this

667
00:45:59,275 --> 00:46:01,675
agricultural buffer, so the

668
00:46:02,339 --> 00:46:04,739
future proposed single family

669
00:46:05,717 --> 00:46:08,143
dwellings for parcels two and

670
00:46:08,143 --> 00:46:10,527
four would be could be located

671
00:46:10,527 --> 00:46:13,662
in this area. Lastly, there is

672
00:46:13,662 --> 00:46:15,954
a proposed 200 foot wide

673
00:46:15,954 --> 00:46:18,139
development restriction area on

674
00:46:18,139 --> 00:46:21,830
proposed parcel four, which is

675
00:46:21,830 --> 00:46:23,351
shown in light blue, which is

676
00:46:23,351 --> 00:46:25,212
proposed voluntarily to protect

677
00:46:25,212 --> 00:46:27,761
private views from the existing

678
00:46:27,761 --> 00:46:29,873
single family residence. The

679
00:46:29,873 --> 00:46:31,873
project includes development

680
00:46:32,235 --> 00:46:34,235
exclusion areas containing

681
00:46:34,541 --> 00:46:36,812
slopes greater than 20% which

682
00:46:36,812 --> 00:46:38,617
are depicted in red, whereas

683
00:46:38,617 --> 00:46:41,364
areas with slopes less than 20%

684
00:46:41,364 --> 00:46:44,364
are depicted in green. The

685
00:46:44,508 --> 00:46:47,508
gentle slopes areas in green

686
00:46:47,549 --> 00:46:49,949
are suitable for future

687
00:46:50,310 --> 00:46:52,310
development, provided they

688
00:46:53,266 --> 00:46:55,666
comply with other development

689
00:46:56,235 --> 00:46:58,761
standards, such as setbacks and

690
00:46:58,761 --> 00:47:00,761
the agricultural buffer

691
00:47:01,590 --> 00:47:03,590
requirements and development

692
00:47:03,626 --> 00:47:06,289
restriction area on parcel four.

693
00:47:06,289 --> 00:47:08,689
The subdivision is consistent

694
00:47:09,153 --> 00:47:11,553
with the county's comprehensive

695
00:47:11,704 --> 00:47:13,903
plan. First, there are adequate

696
00:47:13,903 --> 00:47:16,515
services available to serve all

697
00:47:16,515 --> 00:47:19,321
four parcels. They will be

698
00:47:19,321 --> 00:47:21,925
served by the Santa Ynez River

699
00:47:21,925 --> 00:47:24,720
Water Conservation District, on

700
00:47:24,720 --> 00:47:26,720
site wastewater treatment

701
00:47:26,433 --> 00:47:28,833
systems, County Fire Department

702
00:47:29,601 --> 00:47:32,530
and county sheriff. Second, the

703
00:47:32,530 --> 00:47:34,210
project is compatible with

704
00:47:34,210 --> 00:47:36,610
nearby agriculture. A 100 foot

705
00:47:37,113 --> 00:47:39,513
agricultural buffer is included

706
00:47:40,524 --> 00:47:42,924
along the southern boundary,

707
00:47:43,624 --> 00:47:46,240
supported by existing terrain

708
00:47:46,980 --> 00:47:49,380
that naturally separates the

709
00:47:50,249 --> 00:47:52,649
site from the adjacent

710
00:47:53,533 --> 00:47:56,447
agriculture. There are no known

711
00:47:56,447 --> 00:47:59,220
cultural resources on the site.

712
00:47:59,220 --> 00:48:01,208
Future development will require

713
00:48:01,208 --> 00:48:03,403
an archeological survey and

714
00:48:03,403 --> 00:48:05,610
stop work procedures if any

715
00:48:05,610 --> 00:48:07,987
resources are discovered, and

716
00:48:07,987 --> 00:48:10,428
that is included in the project

717
00:48:10,428 --> 00:48:12,428
conditions and mitigation

718
00:48:12,593 --> 00:48:14,517
measures. Next, the subdivision

719
00:48:14,517 --> 00:48:16,508
meets Hillside and Watershed

720
00:48:16,508 --> 00:48:18,908
protection standards. There is

721
00:48:19,188 --> 00:48:21,588
no grading proposed currently,

722
00:48:22,366 --> 00:48:25,350
and steep slopes. Steep slopes

723
00:48:25,350 --> 00:48:27,750
are placed in development

724
00:48:28,610 --> 00:48:31,100
exclusion areas. Future grading

725
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,420
on slopes would require

726
00:48:34,667 --> 00:48:36,667
geotechnical studies and

727
00:48:37,352 --> 00:48:39,752
erosion control plans. The

728
00:48:39,890 --> 00:48:42,890
conditions of approval on the

729
00:48:43,380 --> 00:48:45,380
map also demonstrate

730
00:48:45,456 --> 00:48:47,856
consistency with these policies.

731
00:48:48,905 --> 00:48:51,305
Regarding visual resources. The

732
00:48:52,509 --> 00:48:54,909
subdivision will not change

733
00:48:55,672 --> 00:48:58,672
existing views or introduce new

734
00:48:58,834 --> 00:49:01,181
development. At this stage,

735
00:49:01,181 --> 00:49:03,706
future homes will follow design

736
00:49:03,706 --> 00:49:05,706
standards, including for

737
00:49:06,466 --> 00:49:08,466
building materials, colors,

738
00:49:10,539 --> 00:49:12,437
screening, height limits and

739
00:49:12,437 --> 00:49:14,837
dark sky lighting requirements,

740
00:49:16,390 --> 00:49:19,578
and the site is not located

741
00:49:19,578 --> 00:49:21,978
within any designated scenic

742
00:49:23,900 --> 00:49:26,900
overlay area. Next, the site

743
00:49:26,558 --> 00:49:29,770
does not contain any known

744
00:49:29,770 --> 00:49:31,770
sensitive biological resources.

745
00:49:32,391 --> 00:49:34,391
Future development is

746
00:49:35,836 --> 00:49:38,236
conditioned to follow standard

747
00:49:38,476 --> 00:49:40,876
tree protection, nesting bird

748
00:49:41,977 --> 00:49:44,377
avoidance requirements and is

749
00:49:44,751 --> 00:49:47,151
discussed in the mitigated

750
00:49:47,953 --> 00:49:49,953
negative declaration and

751
00:49:50,937 --> 00:49:52,937
mitigation measures. And

752
00:49:53,813 --> 00:49:56,101
finally, the project is

753
00:49:56,101 --> 00:49:58,997
consistent with flood and water

754
00:49:58,997 --> 00:50:01,842
quality policies. The site is

755
00:50:01,842 --> 00:50:04,244
not within any floodway and

756
00:50:04,244 --> 00:50:07,420
there is a setback from a man

757
00:50:07,420 --> 00:50:09,761
made drainage which is on site.

758
00:50:09,761 --> 00:50:12,161
The stormwater best management

759
00:50:13,660 --> 00:50:15,466
practices will be required

760
00:50:16,545 --> 00:50:18,945
during future construction to

761
00:50:19,287 --> 00:50:21,873
protect water quality and avoid

762
00:50:21,873 --> 00:50:24,273
increased runoff. Each parcel

763
00:50:24,441 --> 00:50:26,841
is fully compliant and

764
00:50:27,172 --> 00:50:29,172
developable. The zoning

765
00:50:30,660 --> 00:50:33,660
requires minimum one acre lots

766
00:50:33,355 --> 00:50:36,126
and 120ft of lot, with the four

767
00:50:36,126 --> 00:50:38,526
proposed parcels range from 2.8

768
00:50:38,651 --> 00:50:41,557
to 2.74 acres in size, and each

769
00:50:41,557 --> 00:50:43,957
is approximately 380ft wide,

770
00:50:44,712 --> 00:50:47,112
which exceeds the minimum

771
00:50:48,351 --> 00:50:50,351
requirements, and the

772
00:50:51,597 --> 00:50:53,997
configuration also meets all

773
00:50:54,484 --> 00:50:56,884
setbacks. Parcel one does

774
00:50:57,695 --> 00:50:59,695
contain unpermitted structures,

775
00:51:00,627 --> 00:51:02,914
but the project requires that

776
00:51:02,914 --> 00:51:05,400
these structures are validated

777
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,795
with permits or removed within

778
00:51:07,795 --> 00:51:10,195
90 days of map Recordation

779
00:51:10,611 --> 00:51:13,604
parcels two and four are

780
00:51:13,604 --> 00:51:16,400
currently vacant, and parcel

781
00:51:16,766 --> 00:51:19,166
three contains an existing

782
00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:22,487
permitted home. All parcels

783
00:51:23,476 --> 00:51:25,876
have confirmed water service

784
00:51:26,903 --> 00:51:29,303
and onsite wastewater systems

785
00:51:30,421 --> 00:51:32,821
are feasible. A mitigated

786
00:51:34,126 --> 00:51:36,126
negative declaration was

787
00:51:37,661 --> 00:51:40,661
prepared under Sequa, and it

788
00:51:41,170 --> 00:51:43,417
found that all potentially

789
00:51:43,828 --> 00:51:45,828
significant environmental

790
00:51:46,550 --> 00:51:49,106
impacts can be reduced to less

791
00:51:49,106 --> 00:51:51,106
than significant, with

792
00:51:52,770 --> 00:51:54,770
mitigation for esthetics,

793
00:51:54,721 --> 00:51:56,721
building materials screening

794
00:51:57,477 --> 00:52:00,477
and dark sky lighting will

795
00:52:01,178 --> 00:52:03,178
ensure future development

796
00:52:04,319 --> 00:52:06,719
blends with the surroundings

797
00:52:07,839 --> 00:52:10,528
for air quality and greenhouse

798
00:52:10,528 --> 00:52:13,528
gas emissions. Dust control is

799
00:52:14,137 --> 00:52:16,537
required during construction as

800
00:52:17,707 --> 00:52:20,707
well as energy efficient design

801
00:52:21,330 --> 00:52:24,200
and waste reduction measures to

802
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,420
keep emissions low for

803
00:52:27,513 --> 00:52:29,513
biological resources. Tree

804
00:52:30,868 --> 00:52:32,868
protection, nesting bird

805
00:52:34,414 --> 00:52:37,414
surveys and sorry nesting bird

806
00:52:37,482 --> 00:52:40,482
surveys will prevent impacts to

807
00:52:40,796 --> 00:52:43,196
vegetation and wildlife for

808
00:52:44,814 --> 00:52:46,814
fire protection, defense,

809
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:51,443
defensible space, fire, safe

810
00:52:52,915 --> 00:52:54,915
construction and vegetation

811
00:52:56,913 --> 00:52:59,913
management at the time of

812
00:53:00,838 --> 00:53:03,238
future development will reduce

813
00:53:04,690 --> 00:53:07,690
any wildfire risk for geologic

814
00:53:07,219 --> 00:53:09,219
conditions. The Mapped

815
00:53:11,144 --> 00:53:13,144
Development exclusion areas

816
00:53:15,893 --> 00:53:18,893
avoid steep slopes and future

817
00:53:20,399 --> 00:53:22,399
grading would require

818
00:53:25,110 --> 00:53:27,110
geotechnical studies and

819
00:53:29,541 --> 00:53:32,541
erosion control plans and for

820
00:53:34,143 --> 00:53:36,143
water resources, stormwater

821
00:53:38,215 --> 00:53:40,615
best management practices such

822
00:53:43,268 --> 00:53:45,668
as bioswales, vegetated buffers,

823
00:53:48,179 --> 00:53:51,179
use of pervious materials and

824
00:53:52,629 --> 00:53:55,290
roof runoff collection protect

825
00:53:56,884 --> 00:53:59,884
water quality and reduce runoff.

826
00:54:01,339 --> 00:54:03,739
All mitigation measures are

827
00:54:05,105 --> 00:54:07,505
included in the project's

828
00:54:08,881 --> 00:54:11,281
conditions of approval and

829
00:54:12,900 --> 00:54:14,490
together form the Mitigation

830
00:54:15,728 --> 00:54:18,128
Monitoring program. With these

831
00:54:18,892 --> 00:54:20,892
measures in place,

832
00:54:22,515 --> 00:54:24,515
environmental impacts are

833
00:54:25,986 --> 00:54:28,386
reduced to less than

834
00:54:29,584 --> 00:54:31,584
significant. In conclusion,

835
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:36,800
staff recommends your

836
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:40,452
commission take the following

837
00:54:41,804 --> 00:54:45,404
actions which are listed on the

838
00:54:45,598 --> 00:54:47,998
screen. First, make the

839
00:54:48,930 --> 00:54:51,330
required findings for approval,

840
00:54:52,473 --> 00:54:54,873
including Sequa findings. Adopt

841
00:54:56,106 --> 00:54:58,506
the negative Declaration and

842
00:54:58,832 --> 00:55:00,832
Mitigation Monitoring program

843
00:55:01,308 --> 00:55:04,270
and approve the project subject

844
00:55:04,270 --> 00:55:06,859
to the conditions included in

845
00:55:06,859 --> 00:55:09,259
attachment b. This concludes

846
00:55:09,972 --> 00:55:12,165
Stop's presentation. Staff and

847
00:55:12,165 --> 00:55:14,254
the applicant are available for

848
00:55:14,254 --> 00:55:16,317
questions. Thank you, MISS Cruz.

849
00:55:16,317 --> 00:55:18,980
Open to public comment. For

850
00:55:18,980 --> 00:55:20,111
commissioner comments. Just for

851
00:55:20,111 --> 00:55:22,511
question, we'll ask some

852
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:25,400
questions. First questions from

853
00:55:25,830 --> 00:55:27,913
us. Okay. About that. Are there

854
00:55:27,913 --> 00:55:30,313
any questions from the

855
00:55:30,598 --> 00:55:32,598
commissioners? Okay.

856
00:55:33,317 --> 00:55:35,317
Commissioner Martinez, good

857
00:55:35,469 --> 00:55:37,887
morning. My quick question. If

858
00:55:37,887 --> 00:55:40,364
you go to slide number four.

859
00:55:40,364 --> 00:55:42,614
Thank you. The 100 foot buffer

860
00:55:42,614 --> 00:55:45,390
is that the dotted well not

861
00:55:45,390 --> 00:55:47,731
dotted but the line on the

862
00:55:47,731 --> 00:55:50,256
bottom. The yellow line or is

863
00:55:50,256 --> 00:55:52,886
it the entire yellow area?

864
00:55:52,886 --> 00:55:54,886
Commissioner Martinez the

865
00:55:55,654 --> 00:55:58,540
agricultural buffer is the

866
00:55:58,173 --> 00:56:00,671
highlighted area in yellow. And

867
00:56:00,671 --> 00:56:02,990
that's 100ft from the shared

868
00:56:02,990 --> 00:56:04,704
property line with the property

869
00:56:04,704 --> 00:56:06,485
that has agriculture. Okay. So

870
00:56:06,485 --> 00:56:08,509
so the property that start or

871
00:56:08,509 --> 00:56:10,302
the, the structure that has

872
00:56:10,302 --> 00:56:11,860
that that large yellow star is

873
00:56:11,860 --> 00:56:13,508
just outside the buffer.

874
00:56:13,508 --> 00:56:15,508
Correct? Sorry, Commissioner

875
00:56:15,544 --> 00:56:17,312
Martinez. So on parcel three,

876
00:56:17,312 --> 00:56:19,690
the the star closest to the

877
00:56:19,690 --> 00:56:21,673
buffer is the existing single

878
00:56:21,673 --> 00:56:24,673
family residence. A portion of

879
00:56:24,694 --> 00:56:27,300
it is within the buffer, and

880
00:56:27,300 --> 00:56:30,169
part of it is outside the

881
00:56:30,169 --> 00:56:32,810
buffer. And on parcel one. That

882
00:56:32,810 --> 00:56:33,792
structure is entirely within

883
00:56:33,792 --> 00:56:36,618
the buffer. Okay, that's that's

884
00:56:36,618 --> 00:56:39,180
what's bringing my confusion.

885
00:56:39,344 --> 00:56:41,195
So what's the purpose of the

886
00:56:41,195 --> 00:56:43,219
buffer? If we already have a

887
00:56:43,219 --> 00:56:45,105
residence within the buffer?

888
00:56:45,105 --> 00:56:46,665
Chair Martinez the purpose of

889
00:56:46,665 --> 00:56:48,211
the buffer really impacts

890
00:56:48,211 --> 00:56:49,608
non-habitable structures. So

891
00:56:49,608 --> 00:56:50,852
single family residences like

892
00:56:50,852 --> 00:56:52,660
the two that are located in the

893
00:56:52,660 --> 00:56:54,466
buffer are typically allowed

894
00:56:54,479 --> 00:56:56,321
because they're considered low

895
00:56:56,321 --> 00:56:58,721
intensity development in the

896
00:56:59,110 --> 00:57:01,257
buffer area. It would just

897
00:57:01,257 --> 00:57:02,962
require certain. Garages,

898
00:57:02,962 --> 00:57:04,553
carports, parking areas to be

899
00:57:04,553 --> 00:57:06,525
located outside the buffer, or

900
00:57:06,525 --> 00:57:08,417
just have different

901
00:57:08,417 --> 00:57:10,420
requirements than the single

902
00:57:10,420 --> 00:57:11,991
family dwellings. And it would

903
00:57:11,991 --> 00:57:13,459
also require specific

904
00:57:13,459 --> 00:57:15,441
landscaping plans, which is

905
00:57:15,441 --> 00:57:17,155
included as a condition if

906
00:57:17,155 --> 00:57:18,487
future landscaping is proposed.

907
00:57:18,487 --> 00:57:19,934
Okay, so if if I'm that owner

908
00:57:19,934 --> 00:57:21,548
and I want to turn that garage

909
00:57:21,548 --> 00:57:22,977
into an Adu, nothing's going to

910
00:57:22,977 --> 00:57:24,942
stop me. Correct? That's

911
00:57:24,942 --> 00:57:26,907
correct. ADUs would also be

912
00:57:26,907 --> 00:57:28,923
allowed within that buffer.

913
00:57:28,923 --> 00:57:30,767
Okay. So the property that has.

914
00:57:30,767 --> 00:57:32,802
So I imagine below that this

915
00:57:32,802 --> 00:57:34,327
buffer is a commercial

916
00:57:34,327 --> 00:57:36,362
agricultural area, am I wrong?

917
00:57:36,362 --> 00:57:39,199
Am I right? Just from me

918
00:57:39,199 --> 00:57:41,430
looking at the overlay, it

919
00:57:41,430 --> 00:57:42,832
looks like yes, that's correct.

920
00:57:42,832 --> 00:57:44,902
I can go back to the site. So

921
00:57:44,902 --> 00:57:46,991
yes, directly south it's the ag

922
00:57:46,991 --> 00:57:49,227
two property. There's currently

923
00:57:49,227 --> 00:57:51,258
pasture land and then about

924
00:57:51,258 --> 00:57:52,891
580ft from the shared property

925
00:57:52,891 --> 00:57:54,666
line, which is that dark green.

926
00:57:54,666 --> 00:57:56,148
If you can kind of see on on

927
00:57:56,148 --> 00:57:57,791
this vicinity aerial, that's

928
00:57:57,791 --> 00:57:59,903
where the crops are grown. So

929
00:57:59,903 --> 00:58:02,800
there's already also kind of a

930
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:03,832
natural setback, even greater

931
00:58:03,832 --> 00:58:05,292
than what would be required.

932
00:58:05,292 --> 00:58:07,161
And we've given notice to that

933
00:58:07,161 --> 00:58:09,589
owner of this hearing, correct?

934
00:58:09,589 --> 00:58:11,531
Yes we have. Okay. Because. My

935
00:58:11,531 --> 00:58:13,499
sense is, is that the ag buffer

936
00:58:13,499 --> 00:58:15,443
is not really being utilized or

937
00:58:15,443 --> 00:58:18,620
being even honored because you

938
00:58:18,620 --> 00:58:19,809
already have a structure there

939
00:58:19,809 --> 00:58:22,767
and you have a structure there

940
00:58:22,767 --> 00:58:24,725
that can be turned into an Adu,

941
00:58:24,725 --> 00:58:26,812
and therefore the 100 foot

942
00:58:26,812 --> 00:58:29,528
buffer really goes into their

943
00:58:29,528 --> 00:58:31,528
property. Commissioner Martinez,

944
00:58:32,510 --> 00:58:35,510
thank you for your question.

945
00:58:35,385 --> 00:58:37,446
It's a good question because

946
00:58:37,446 --> 00:58:39,846
there is certain development

947
00:58:40,568 --> 00:58:42,795
allowed in the ag buffer. So I

948
00:58:42,795 --> 00:58:45,353
understand that can be a little

949
00:58:45,353 --> 00:58:47,753
bit complicated. So chapter 21

950
00:58:48,750 --> 00:58:50,166
and chapter 35 both have

951
00:58:50,166 --> 00:58:52,234
regulations for what can be

952
00:58:52,234 --> 00:58:54,835
allowed in the ag buffer. So

953
00:58:54,835 --> 00:58:57,159
throughout the county there are

954
00:58:57,159 --> 00:58:59,631
certain uses that are allowed

955
00:58:59,631 --> 00:59:02,380
in the ag buffer. For instance,

956
00:59:02,380 --> 00:59:04,438
like Tatiana mentioned, single

957
00:59:04,603 --> 00:59:06,519
family dwellings, low intensity

958
00:59:06,519 --> 00:59:08,519
residential development, ADUs,

959
00:59:09,681 --> 00:59:11,681
residential accessory

960
00:59:12,196 --> 00:59:15,196
structures MAY be allowed in

961
00:59:15,254 --> 00:59:18,172
the buffer area. In contrast to

962
00:59:18,172 --> 00:59:20,572
that, industrial or commercial

963
00:59:21,535 --> 00:59:23,935
types of development, certain

964
00:59:25,140 --> 00:59:27,140
landscaping, certain lighting,

965
00:59:27,723 --> 00:59:29,723
certain non-habitable

966
00:59:30,859 --> 00:59:33,859
structures are not allowed in

967
00:59:34,335 --> 00:59:37,376
the ag buffer. And I also just

968
00:59:37,376 --> 00:59:38,992
want to clarify that this per

969
00:59:38,992 --> 00:59:41,392
consistent with the chapter 21

970
00:59:42,125 --> 00:59:43,902
and chapter 35, requirements p

971
00:59:43,902 --> 00:59:45,490
and d coordinated with the ag

972
00:59:45,490 --> 00:59:47,890
Commissioner's Office on this

973
00:59:48,491 --> 00:59:50,265
buffer, and they agreed that

974
00:59:50,265 --> 00:59:53,257
the buffer was appropriate for

975
00:59:53,257 --> 00:59:55,482
the proposed project. Oh no. I

976
00:59:55,482 --> 00:59:57,281
can see why somebody would say

977
00:59:57,281 --> 00:59:59,681
it's appropriate, but the

978
00:59:59,862 --> 01:00:02,430
reality is of it is that if you

979
01:00:02,430 --> 01:00:03,886
haven't, if if you have a

980
01:00:03,886 --> 01:00:06,515
structure that's being lived in

981
01:00:06,515 --> 01:00:09,253
and you want to do an

982
01:00:09,253 --> 01:00:11,597
application as a commercial

983
01:00:11,597 --> 01:00:14,317
farmer, you can't do it because

984
01:00:14,317 --> 01:00:16,888
it's within a certain feet from

985
01:00:16,888 --> 01:00:19,888
the application. That's why I'm

986
01:00:20,540 --> 01:00:22,381
trying to say, why are we even

987
01:00:22,381 --> 01:00:24,730
calling the buffer when it's

988
01:00:24,730 --> 01:00:27,599
not even acting as a buffer?

989
01:00:27,599 --> 01:00:29,835
That's that's my concern. I

990
01:00:29,835 --> 01:00:32,235
understand what you're saying

991
01:00:32,734 --> 01:00:35,182
by the codes. You're saying we

992
01:00:35,182 --> 01:00:38,207
can't do this, you can't do

993
01:00:38,207 --> 01:00:40,775
that. But the realities of its

994
01:00:40,775 --> 01:00:43,175
interaction with with the

995
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:46,406
commercial farm below it or

996
01:00:46,406 --> 01:00:48,660
next to it is that person can't

997
01:00:48,660 --> 01:00:51,600
because there is somebody

998
01:00:51,144 --> 01:00:53,112
living within that 100 foot

999
01:00:53,112 --> 01:00:55,853
area. If my buffer is 200ft

1000
01:00:55,853 --> 01:00:58,446
from a plant for making an

1001
01:00:58,446 --> 01:01:00,468
application, I can't make it

1002
01:01:00,468 --> 01:01:03,107
unless I get permission. And

1003
01:01:03,107 --> 01:01:05,244
they can appeal and they can

1004
01:01:05,244 --> 01:01:08,150
appeal to the ag commissioner

1005
01:01:08,150 --> 01:01:10,878
and all that. That's that's my

1006
01:01:10,878 --> 01:01:13,869
concern. But if they're not

1007
01:01:13,869 --> 01:01:17,161
here and they're not going to

1008
01:01:17,161 --> 01:01:20,833
object to it, I just want to

1009
01:01:20,833 --> 01:01:23,833
make sure that they were

1010
01:01:24,529 --> 01:01:27,286
noticed. And if they're saying,

1011
01:01:27,286 --> 01:01:30,346
hey, I'm not here to agree and

1012
01:01:30,346 --> 01:01:33,116
nod my head with Martinez about

1013
01:01:33,116 --> 01:01:35,116
the commissioner, Martinez

1014
01:01:35,900 --> 01:01:38,732
about this. Okay. But I just

1015
01:01:38,732 --> 01:01:41,883
want to make sure I'm aware of

1016
01:01:41,883 --> 01:01:44,883
it. And they have the

1017
01:01:45,466 --> 01:01:47,866
opportunity to be doing

1018
01:01:48,934 --> 01:01:51,934
something about it. Okay. Thank

1019
01:01:52,585 --> 01:01:54,985
you. Commissioner Ford. Thanks.

1020
01:01:55,772 --> 01:01:58,995
I just have a couple clarifying

1021
01:01:58,995 --> 01:02:01,907
questions on that same slide

1022
01:02:01,907 --> 01:02:04,907
for well, how is the

1023
01:02:05,121 --> 01:02:07,521
development or the decision

1024
01:02:08,902 --> 01:02:11,302
around the 200 foot development

1025
01:02:11,595 --> 01:02:13,595
restriction made? Yes.

1026
01:02:14,230 --> 01:02:16,423
Commissioner Ford, so that 200

1027
01:02:16,507 --> 01:02:18,507
foot development restriction

1028
01:02:19,387 --> 01:02:21,787
area was voluntarily proposed

1029
01:02:22,712 --> 01:02:26,142
by the applicant. So I think I

1030
01:02:26,142 --> 01:02:29,477
could let them speak to that

1031
01:02:29,477 --> 01:02:32,721
some more. That is not required

1032
01:02:32,721 --> 01:02:35,927
by county code. Okay. Thank you.

1033
01:02:35,927 --> 01:02:39,245
I'll wait for that. And then

1034
01:02:39,245 --> 01:02:42,245
you referred to the validation

1035
01:02:42,541 --> 01:02:44,941
process. What's involved in

1036
01:02:46,126 --> 01:02:49,126
that? Commissioner Ford so the

1037
01:02:49,519 --> 01:02:52,271
applicant has submitted for a

1038
01:02:52,271 --> 01:02:55,681
land use permit to validate the

1039
01:02:55,681 --> 01:02:57,681
unpermitted structures

1040
01:02:58,653 --> 01:03:00,653
following, you know,

1041
01:03:00,922 --> 01:03:03,240
recordation of this map. Once

1042
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:05,473
it gets approved, that will be

1043
01:03:05,473 --> 01:03:08,181
parcel one will be a legal lot,

1044
01:03:08,181 --> 01:03:11,386
and that would allow them to

1045
01:03:11,386 --> 01:03:13,786
move forward with their

1046
01:03:15,708 --> 01:03:18,708
application to have any single

1047
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:23,360
family dwelling. So that would

1048
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:28,240
the process would be the land

1049
01:03:28,654 --> 01:03:31,654
use permit and their building

1050
01:03:32,522 --> 01:03:35,522
permit. So they just fill

1051
01:03:35,599 --> 01:03:38,810
submit a form to say, now that

1052
01:03:38,810 --> 01:03:41,810
this has passed, let's make

1053
01:03:42,408 --> 01:03:45,287
this building valid. A real

1054
01:03:45,287 --> 01:03:47,784
building, a house, a residence.

1055
01:03:47,784 --> 01:03:50,683
Yes. Commissioner Ford, so as I

1056
01:03:50,683 --> 01:03:53,438
mentioned, they did apply for

1057
01:03:53,438 --> 01:03:56,827
the land use permit. So if we

1058
01:03:56,827 --> 01:04:00,427
were to, for example, if that

1059
01:04:01,940 --> 01:04:04,940
was not an existing structure,

1060
01:04:05,123 --> 01:04:08,723
that would still be the permit

1061
01:04:09,358 --> 01:04:11,758
path. And since it's

1062
01:04:13,593 --> 01:04:15,993
unpermitted, we would consider

1063
01:04:17,668 --> 01:04:21,268
it as a new structure. So

1064
01:04:21,584 --> 01:04:23,984
they're going through the

1065
01:04:24,829 --> 01:04:27,546
process, which is the land use

1066
01:04:27,546 --> 01:04:29,546
permit application. They've

1067
01:04:30,743 --> 01:04:33,143
submitted the required plans

1068
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:36,836
and we'll need to also meet

1069
01:04:36,836 --> 01:04:38,836
building code requirements.

1070
01:04:39,412 --> 01:04:42,112
Thank you. Okay. I have a

1071
01:04:42,112 --> 01:04:44,731
follow on question to something

1072
01:04:44,731 --> 01:04:46,731
Commissioner Ford asked

1073
01:04:47,876 --> 01:04:50,276
relative to the 200ft

1074
01:04:51,374 --> 01:04:53,374
development restriction, I

1075
01:04:54,528 --> 01:04:56,928
understand that the applicant

1076
01:04:57,565 --> 01:05:00,269
is requesting it. Great. The

1077
01:05:00,269 --> 01:05:03,236
parcel will eventually be sold.

1078
01:05:03,236 --> 01:05:05,648
The new buyer buys the parcel.

1079
01:05:05,648 --> 01:05:08,468
How is the new buyer informed

1080
01:05:08,468 --> 01:05:11,104
where they can and cannot put

1081
01:05:11,104 --> 01:05:13,458
development on that parcel? No.

1082
01:05:13,458 --> 01:05:15,789
They will have to look at the

1083
01:05:15,789 --> 01:05:17,374
map. Yeah. Commissioner guy. So

1084
01:05:17,374 --> 01:05:19,348
the development restriction

1085
01:05:19,348 --> 01:05:21,845
area is being recorded with the

1086
01:05:21,845 --> 01:05:24,775
map. So this information will

1087
01:05:24,775 --> 01:05:27,175
be available to potential

1088
01:05:27,596 --> 01:05:30,490
buyers because it's it's shown

1089
01:05:30,490 --> 01:05:32,692
and described. And it will be a

1090
01:05:32,692 --> 01:05:35,290
recorded document that will be

1091
01:05:35,290 --> 01:05:37,274
available. Commissioner guy if

1092
01:05:37,274 --> 01:05:39,384
I can add to that. So and then

1093
01:05:39,384 --> 01:05:41,498
when a future person comes in

1094
01:05:41,498 --> 01:05:44,300
to develop that house staff

1095
01:05:44,300 --> 01:05:46,407
will. They'll have to get a

1096
01:05:46,407 --> 01:05:49,930
permit. Staff will look at the

1097
01:05:49,930 --> 01:05:51,753
approved permits, look at the

1098
01:05:51,753 --> 01:05:53,956
conditions on the map and see

1099
01:05:53,956 --> 01:05:56,245
that there's a development

1100
01:05:56,245 --> 01:05:58,913
restriction zone on there. Okay.

1101
01:05:58,913 --> 01:06:00,733
Thank you. Yeah. I'm familiar

1102
01:06:00,733 --> 01:06:03,379
with exclusion zones, but I

1103
01:06:03,379 --> 01:06:05,779
haven't seen the development

1104
01:06:06,386 --> 01:06:08,626
restrictions. So thank you for

1105
01:06:08,626 --> 01:06:11,226
the for the answers. I

1106
01:06:11,226 --> 01:06:14,226
appreciate it. Sure. Any other

1107
01:06:14,243 --> 01:06:16,243
questions from commissioners.

1108
01:06:17,570 --> 01:06:19,807
Okay. At this point, do I open

1109
01:06:19,807 --> 01:06:22,341
it up to public comment? MR.

1110
01:06:22,341 --> 01:06:24,879
Chair, I believe at this point

1111
01:06:24,879 --> 01:06:27,475
you should ask the applicant if

1112
01:06:27,475 --> 01:06:29,557
they have a presentation. Oh

1113
01:06:29,557 --> 01:06:32,226
thank you. I would like to ask

1114
01:06:32,226 --> 01:06:34,548
the applicant if they have a

1115
01:06:34,548 --> 01:06:36,907
presentation. And I see MR.

1116
01:06:36,907 --> 01:06:38,806
Jones moving forward. Good

1117
01:06:38,806 --> 01:06:40,482
morning, MR. Chair and Planning

1118
01:06:40,482 --> 01:06:42,117
Commissioners. My name is Brett

1119
01:06:42,117 --> 01:06:43,758
Jones. I'm a private land use

1120
01:06:43,758 --> 01:06:45,224
consultant in this valley with

1121
01:06:45,224 --> 01:06:46,890
my associate, Angela Jones. And.

1122
01:06:46,890 --> 01:06:48,669
I haven't met a few of you. I

1123
01:06:48,669 --> 01:06:50,285
appreciate the site visits I

1124
01:06:50,285 --> 01:06:52,870
was able to have with three of

1125
01:06:52,870 --> 01:06:55,714
you, and I'm really just here

1126
01:06:55,714 --> 01:06:58,714
to answer any questions. I

1127
01:06:58,730 --> 01:07:01,588
don't have a presentation per

1128
01:07:01,588 --> 01:07:04,820
se. There have been some

1129
01:07:04,820 --> 01:07:05,420
questions I'd like to address

1130
01:07:05,420 --> 01:07:07,284
so far through the chair.

1131
01:07:07,284 --> 01:07:09,684
Commissioner Ford, the 200 foot

1132
01:07:10,590 --> 01:07:12,590
setback was voluntarily

1133
01:07:12,606 --> 01:07:14,345
proposed by the applicants,

1134
01:07:14,345 --> 01:07:16,793
David and Jill Sorensen. They

1135
01:07:16,793 --> 01:07:19,560
are currently living in the

1136
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:21,456
residence on parcel three.

1137
01:07:21,457 --> 01:07:23,857
There's extraordinary views to

1138
01:07:23,913 --> 01:07:26,640
the east, and they've stated

1139
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:28,314
they MAY not even sell the

1140
01:07:28,314 --> 01:07:30,469
parcel. But if they did, they

1141
01:07:30,469 --> 01:07:32,673
wanted to put that in there to

1142
01:07:32,673 --> 01:07:34,763
protect their views. In the

1143
01:07:34,763 --> 01:07:36,699
future of looking to the

1144
01:07:36,699 --> 01:07:38,699
Figueroa and Santino's

1145
01:07:38,864 --> 01:07:40,878
Mountains. Perfect. That's very

1146
01:07:40,878 --> 01:07:42,685
helpful. Thanks. Regarding the

1147
01:07:42,685 --> 01:07:45,347
validation of the guest house,

1148
01:07:45,347 --> 01:07:46,798
we are aware of those

1149
01:07:46,798 --> 01:07:48,915
conditions as all of the

1150
01:07:48,915 --> 01:07:51,915
conditions in the project and

1151
01:07:51,975 --> 01:07:54,996
agree to those I did have. I

1152
01:07:54,996 --> 01:07:58,577
would like a little bit of

1153
01:07:58,577 --> 01:08:00,977
clarification on the 200 foot,

1154
01:08:01,530 --> 01:08:04,275
excuse me, the hundred foot

1155
01:08:04,275 --> 01:08:06,675
buffer. It's my understanding

1156
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:09,496
that doesn't affect the

1157
01:08:09,699 --> 01:08:11,970
property owner to the south. Is

1158
01:08:11,970 --> 01:08:14,151
that correct? That they they

1159
01:08:14,151 --> 01:08:16,409
could do development. It really

1160
01:08:16,409 --> 01:08:18,880
just affects our parcels. So

1161
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:21,248
this is two through the chair

1162
01:08:21,248 --> 01:08:23,648
Do Commissioner Martinez. Does

1163
01:08:24,351 --> 01:08:27,860
that make sense? I know it

1164
01:08:27,860 --> 01:08:29,860
doesn't restrict their

1165
01:08:29,654 --> 01:08:32,540
development. It's about the

1166
01:08:32,195 --> 01:08:34,538
ability to utilize the

1167
01:08:34,538 --> 01:08:36,938
agricultural purposes of the

1168
01:08:37,469 --> 01:08:40,249
southern portion of of the

1169
01:08:40,249 --> 01:08:42,644
person below them on the South.

1170
01:08:42,644 --> 01:08:45,500
And as my example indicated,

1171
01:08:45,500 --> 01:08:47,204
it's, you know, it's the the

1172
01:08:47,204 --> 01:08:49,153
process, as I'm aware from I'm

1173
01:08:49,153 --> 01:08:51,415
very well aware of it is, is

1174
01:08:51,415 --> 01:08:53,381
that if I make a crop

1175
01:08:53,381 --> 01:08:55,329
application, I have 100 foot

1176
01:08:55,329 --> 01:08:57,108
buffer. It starts from my

1177
01:08:57,108 --> 01:08:58,981
boundary line and it goes over

1178
01:08:58,981 --> 01:09:01,208
to the other person's, the

1179
01:09:01,208 --> 01:09:03,676
north part of it. And then if

1180
01:09:03,676 --> 01:09:06,676
there's in there, if anyone's

1181
01:09:06,845 --> 01:09:09,947
living in there, then I have to

1182
01:09:09,947 --> 01:09:12,993
send them a notice. And if that

1183
01:09:12,993 --> 01:09:15,298
notice that gives them the

1184
01:09:15,298 --> 01:09:17,594
ability, that person that's

1185
01:09:17,594 --> 01:09:20,287
living there to appeal or, or

1186
01:09:20,287 --> 01:09:22,398
object to it, then it goes to

1187
01:09:22,398 --> 01:09:24,661
the ag commissioner, who then

1188
01:09:24,661 --> 01:09:26,451
has a hearing regarding whether

1189
01:09:26,451 --> 01:09:28,118
or not the application is

1190
01:09:28,118 --> 01:09:29,538
permissible or not. But

1191
01:09:29,538 --> 01:09:31,600
typically when you when I see

1192
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:32,750
an ag buffer, it's there's no

1193
01:09:32,750 --> 01:09:34,465
development whatsoever within

1194
01:09:34,465 --> 01:09:36,571
that. So there is no appeal

1195
01:09:36,571 --> 01:09:38,596
process to even worry about a

1196
01:09:38,596 --> 01:09:40,654
no notice process to go about a

1197
01:09:40,654 --> 01:09:42,152
lot in regards to these things.

1198
01:09:42,152 --> 01:09:43,632
And that's why that's the

1199
01:09:43,632 --> 01:09:45,705
center of my question. So

1200
01:09:45,705 --> 01:09:48,550
whether they develop it into

1201
01:09:48,550 --> 01:09:50,470
houses or whatever, that that

1202
01:09:50,470 --> 01:09:52,317
has nothing to do with the ag

1203
01:09:52,317 --> 01:09:54,825
buffer as far as as far as I

1204
01:09:54,825 --> 01:09:56,419
know and as far as I'm

1205
01:09:56,419 --> 01:09:58,294
concerned. But thank you, thank

1206
01:09:58,294 --> 01:10:00,152
you. I have nothing further.

1207
01:10:00,152 --> 01:10:02,383
I'm here to answer any further

1208
01:10:02,383 --> 01:10:04,998
questions you might have. Okay.

1209
01:10:04,998 --> 01:10:07,241
It doesn't look like there's

1210
01:10:07,241 --> 01:10:09,217
any other questions. So thank

1211
01:10:09,217 --> 01:10:11,386
you, MR. Jones. Now we get to

1212
01:10:11,386 --> 01:10:13,350
open to public comment. Thank

1213
01:10:13,350 --> 01:10:14,810
you very much. Please, for give

1214
01:10:14,810 --> 01:10:16,841
me all of you out there. This

1215
01:10:16,841 --> 01:10:18,486
is only my second meeting. I'm

1216
01:10:18,486 --> 01:10:20,170
I'm learning as we go. So any

1217
01:10:20,170 --> 01:10:21,935
public comment on this project.

1218
01:10:21,935 --> 01:10:23,800
And seeing no hands raised

1219
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:24,363
online. Okay. If there's no

1220
01:10:24,363 --> 01:10:26,121
request, then we will close

1221
01:10:26,121 --> 01:10:27,741
public comment. At this point.

1222
01:10:27,741 --> 01:10:29,902
Are there any other questions

1223
01:10:29,902 --> 01:10:32,302
from the commissioners? Any

1224
01:10:32,362 --> 01:10:34,140
other comments actually refer

1225
01:10:34,140 --> 01:10:36,547
to it as deliberation and move

1226
01:10:36,547 --> 01:10:38,488
into okay, we will move into

1227
01:10:38,488 --> 01:10:40,789
deliberation. I'll start. Thank

1228
01:10:40,789 --> 01:10:42,828
you, Commissioner Martinez. Oh,

1229
01:10:42,828 --> 01:10:44,727
I would make it known that I've

1230
01:10:44,727 --> 01:10:46,577
made my concerns aware and and

1231
01:10:46,577 --> 01:10:48,783
my concerns are being addressed

1232
01:10:48,783 --> 01:10:50,843
by the fact that I understand

1233
01:10:50,843 --> 01:10:52,628
notice has been given to the

1234
01:10:52,628 --> 01:10:54,325
person who's to the south of

1235
01:10:54,325 --> 01:10:56,271
this. And if that person isn't

1236
01:10:56,271 --> 01:10:58,243
going to come and be active in

1237
01:10:58,243 --> 01:11:00,550
something. And that's the

1238
01:11:00,550 --> 01:11:01,310
purpose of giving notices. And

1239
01:11:01,310 --> 01:11:02,538
I really wanted to make sure my

1240
01:11:02,538 --> 01:11:04,170
comments were on the record, or

1241
01:11:04,170 --> 01:11:05,412
at least noted within the

1242
01:11:05,412 --> 01:11:06,925
record, because it's at least

1243
01:11:06,925 --> 01:11:08,722
if there's ever something in

1244
01:11:08,722 --> 01:11:10,468
the future about this property,

1245
01:11:10,468 --> 01:11:12,218
it's going to be, well, that

1246
01:11:12,218 --> 01:11:13,320
was brought up. There was an

1247
01:11:13,320 --> 01:11:14,403
opportunity to be addressed and

1248
01:11:14,403 --> 01:11:15,666
you didn't come and address it.

1249
01:11:15,666 --> 01:11:16,785
If that person would have

1250
01:11:16,785 --> 01:11:17,985
showed up and made something of

1251
01:11:17,985 --> 01:11:19,548
it, I would have really paid

1252
01:11:19,548 --> 01:11:20,965
attention to it. But from what

1253
01:11:20,965 --> 01:11:22,900
I have in front of me and from

1254
01:11:22,900 --> 01:11:23,596
the development itself, I would

1255
01:11:23,596 --> 01:11:24,705
be supportive of this project.

1256
01:11:24,705 --> 01:11:25,874
Commissioner Mayor Connor and I

1257
01:11:25,874 --> 01:11:27,155
concur with Commissioner

1258
01:11:27,155 --> 01:11:28,924
Martinez. I'm supportive of

1259
01:11:28,924 --> 01:11:31,620
this project. Commissioner Ford

1260
01:11:31,620 --> 01:11:32,951
yes, I'm really pleased with

1261
01:11:32,951 --> 01:11:34,814
the concerns that Commissioner

1262
01:11:34,814 --> 01:11:36,534
Martinez brought up and. And

1263
01:11:36,534 --> 01:11:37,987
see no other reason for concern

1264
01:11:37,987 --> 01:11:40,780
at this time. I can support

1265
01:11:40,780 --> 01:11:42,141
this action. Okay. And I also

1266
01:11:42,141 --> 01:11:43,707
appreciate the work that was

1267
01:11:43,707 --> 01:11:45,105
done by staff because this was

1268
01:11:45,105 --> 01:11:46,546
this is very valuable and it

1269
01:11:46,546 --> 01:11:48,130
makes things very clear for us

1270
01:11:48,130 --> 01:11:48,924
to understand. So thank you for

1271
01:11:48,924 --> 01:11:50,155
that. So I'm looking for a

1272
01:11:50,155 --> 01:11:51,468
motion. I'll move the staff

1273
01:11:51,468 --> 01:11:52,742
recommendation. And a I'll

1274
01:11:52,742 --> 01:11:53,962
second. Okay. Any discussion?

1275
01:11:53,962 --> 01:11:55,122
All in favor? I. None. Opposed.

1276
01:11:55,122 --> 01:11:56,415
Motion carries. At this point,

1277
01:11:56,415 --> 01:11:57,496
we will move on to the next

1278
01:11:57,496 --> 01:11:58,917
item on the agenda. I'm sorry,

1279
01:11:58,917 --> 01:12:00,155
can we just give staff a moment

1280
01:12:00,155 --> 01:12:01,129
to to come up? But I'm sorry.

1281
01:12:01,129 --> 01:12:02,109
Could you clarify who made the

1282
01:12:02,109 --> 01:12:03,476
first motion for the mayor?

1283
01:12:03,476 --> 01:12:04,506
Okay. Thank you. Okay. Because

1284
01:12:04,506 --> 01:12:05,186
these guys change places. Okay.

1285
01:12:05,186 --> 01:12:05,902
Everything is. Yeah.

1286
01:12:05,902 --> 01:12:06,624
Okay. Okay.

1287
01:12:06,624 --> 01:12:07,451
MR. Villalobos, the next item

1288
01:12:07,451 --> 01:12:08,400
on the agenda. Thank you, MR.

1289
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:09,221
Chair. Next item following is a

1290
01:12:09,221 --> 01:12:10,178
hearing on the request of Ross

1291
01:12:10,178 --> 01:12:11,408
Dorman wal over llc to consider

1292
01:12:11,408 --> 01:12:12,421
case number 24lla7 and to

1293
01:12:12,421 --> 01:12:13,677
determine the project is exempt

1294
01:12:13,677 --> 01:12:14,928
from environmental review

1295
01:12:14,928 --> 01:12:16,139
pursuant to section 15183 of

1296
01:12:16,139 --> 01:12:17,163
the State guidelines for the

1297
01:12:17,163 --> 01:12:18,356
implementation of the

1298
01:12:18,356 --> 01:12:19,792
California Environmental

1299
01:12:19,792 --> 01:12:21,642
Quality Act. Okay. At this

1300
01:12:21,642 --> 01:12:23,381
point, we'd like to ask staff

1301
01:12:23,381 --> 01:12:24,875
to share their presentation. Oh,

1302
01:12:24,875 --> 01:12:26,783
sorry. Any ex parte comments.

1303
01:12:26,783 --> 01:12:28,600
Any ex. Any visits. I'm trying

1304
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:30,344
to see which project. Okay, I

1305
01:12:30,344 --> 01:12:32,770
don't have any either. Yes. So

1306
01:12:32,770 --> 01:12:33,969
now we move on to staff

1307
01:12:33,969 --> 01:12:35,898
presentation. Good morning, MR.

1308
01:12:35,898 --> 01:12:37,827
Chair and Commissioners. My

1309
01:12:37,827 --> 01:12:39,241
name is Veronica King and I

1310
01:12:39,241 --> 01:12:40,832
will be presenting the Wollover

1311
01:12:40,832 --> 01:12:42,775
llc Lot Line Adjustment Project.

1312
01:12:42,775 --> 01:12:44,626
A request for a lot line

1313
01:12:44,626 --> 01:12:46,891
adjustment between two existing

1314
01:12:46,891 --> 01:12:49,790
parcels. The project site is

1315
01:12:49,790 --> 01:12:50,762
located in a rural agricultural

1316
01:12:50,762 --> 01:12:52,545
area and the Goleta Valley

1317
01:12:52,545 --> 01:12:53,852
north of highway 101, and

1318
01:12:53,852 --> 01:12:55,510
involves two parcels. Parcel

1319
01:12:55,510 --> 01:12:56,194
one and read is addressed as

1320
01:12:56,194 --> 01:12:57,646
901 Verda Linda and is 602.42

1321
01:12:57,646 --> 01:12:59,176
acres. Parcel two in blue is

1322
01:12:59,176 --> 01:13:00,265
34.34 acres and does not yet

1323
01:13:00,265 --> 01:13:01,531
have an address. Both parcels

1324
01:13:01,531 --> 01:13:02,967
are currently in agricultural

1325
01:13:02,967 --> 01:13:04,445
production with lemon and

1326
01:13:04,445 --> 01:13:05,684
avocado orchards. The lot line

1327
01:13:05,684 --> 01:13:07,607
adjustment will transfer

1328
01:13:07,607 --> 01:13:09,700
approximately 78 acres from

1329
01:13:09,700 --> 01:13:10,268
parcel one to parcel two. This

1330
01:13:10,268 --> 01:13:11,419
increases parcel 2 to 112 acres,

1331
01:13:11,419 --> 01:13:12,428
bringing it into conformance

1332
01:13:12,428 --> 01:13:13,507
with the minimum parcel size

1333
01:13:13,507 --> 01:13:14,580
for the zone district. No

1334
01:13:14,580 --> 01:13:15,776
development is proposed and

1335
01:13:15,776 --> 01:13:16,811
existing access and utilities

1336
01:13:16,811 --> 01:13:18,370
will remain unchanged. Here you

1337
01:13:18,370 --> 01:13:19,640
can see the existing parcel

1338
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:19,991
configuration on the left and

1339
01:13:19,991 --> 01:13:21,404
the proposed configuration on

1340
01:13:21,404 --> 01:13:21,864
the right. Parcel two, shown in

1341
01:13:21,864 --> 01:13:22,518
blue, expands primarily to the

1342
01:13:22,518 --> 01:13:23,348
south, while parcel one shown

1343
01:13:23,348 --> 01:13:24,161
in red is reduced accordingly.

1344
01:13:24,161 --> 01:13:25,310
For some background on the

1345
01:13:25,310 --> 01:13:25,969
existing site conditions,

1346
01:13:25,969 --> 01:13:26,941
parcel two is currently

1347
01:13:26,941 --> 01:13:28,211
undeveloped, while parcel one

1348
01:13:28,211 --> 01:13:29,216
contains all existing

1349
01:13:29,216 --> 01:13:29,893
development including

1350
01:13:29,893 --> 01:13:30,903
residential development,

1351
01:13:30,903 --> 01:13:32,121
agricultural support facilities,

1352
01:13:32,121 --> 01:13:33,330
water infrastructure and on

1353
01:13:33,330 --> 01:13:34,349
site wastewater treatment. As

1354
01:13:34,349 --> 01:13:35,360
discussed, the project adjusts

1355
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:36,475
the parcel boundaries but does

1356
01:13:36,475 --> 01:13:37,926
not change any existing access,

1357
01:13:37,926 --> 01:13:39,251
easements or utilities. The lot

1358
01:13:39,251 --> 01:13:40,260
line adjustment would bring

1359
01:13:40,260 --> 01:13:41,207
parcel two into conformance

1360
01:13:41,207 --> 01:13:42,490
with the minimum lot size

1361
01:13:42,490 --> 01:13:43,346
requirement, while also adding

1362
01:13:43,346 --> 01:13:44,293
areas with gentler slopes to

1363
01:13:44,293 --> 01:13:45,294
the parcel. This would provide

1364
01:13:45,294 --> 01:13:46,624
more suitable land for

1365
01:13:46,624 --> 01:13:47,822
continued agricultural use and

1366
01:13:47,822 --> 01:13:49,680
more appropriate areas for any

1367
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:50,790
future development. Importantly,

1368
01:13:50,790 --> 01:13:51,236
the adjustment would not create

1369
01:13:51,236 --> 01:13:52,273
any additional parcels or

1370
01:13:52,273 --> 01:13:53,571
increase the allowable density.

1371
01:13:53,571 --> 01:13:54,532
The project is consistent with

1372
01:13:54,532 --> 01:13:55,489
all applicable comprehensive

1373
01:13:55,489 --> 01:13:56,756
Plan and Goleta Community Plan

1374
01:13:56,756 --> 01:13:57,381
policies. Chapter 21 Land

1375
01:13:57,381 --> 01:13:58,640
Division Requirements and the

1376
01:13:58,640 --> 01:13:59,870
County Land Use and Development

1377
01:13:59,870 --> 01:14:01,104
Code. Existing development

1378
01:14:01,104 --> 01:14:02,467
would continue to be adequately

1379
01:14:02,467 --> 01:14:03,434
served by private water and

1380
01:14:03,434 --> 01:14:04,598
wastewater systems, and the

1381
01:14:04,598 --> 01:14:06,388
adjusted parcel configuration

1382
01:14:06,388 --> 01:14:07,785
would provide adequate area to

1383
01:14:07,785 --> 01:14:09,355
avoid steep slopes and

1384
01:14:09,355 --> 01:14:11,102
sensitive biological resources,

1385
01:14:11,102 --> 01:14:12,470
such as creeks and

1386
01:14:12,470 --> 01:14:14,470
environmentally sensitive

1387
01:14:15,269 --> 01:14:17,168
habitat. Additionally, the

1388
01:14:17,168 --> 01:14:18,882
adjustment would not create any

1389
01:14:18,882 --> 01:14:20,332
zoning, non-conformities or

1390
01:14:20,332 --> 01:14:21,694
violations. Existing

1391
01:14:21,694 --> 01:14:22,787
development would continue to

1392
01:14:22,787 --> 01:14:24,757
meet applicable setbacks and

1393
01:14:24,757 --> 01:14:26,599
parcel uses. Existing

1394
01:14:26,599 --> 01:14:28,370
nonconforming lot size would be

1395
01:14:28,370 --> 01:14:30,125
resolved by increasing the

1396
01:14:30,125 --> 01:14:31,993
parcel to more than 100 acres,

1397
01:14:31,993 --> 01:14:33,405
consistent with the ag two

1398
01:14:33,405 --> 01:14:35,429
minimum parcel size requirement.

1399
01:14:35,429 --> 01:14:37,450
For environmental review. The

1400
01:14:37,450 --> 01:14:39,321
project qualifies for a Ceqa

1401
01:14:39,321 --> 01:14:41,203
guidelines section 15183

1402
01:14:41,203 --> 01:14:42,789
exemption because the potential

1403
01:14:42,789 --> 01:14:44,256
environmental impacts were

1404
01:14:44,256 --> 01:14:46,480
previously analyzed as part of

1405
01:14:46,480 --> 01:14:47,292
the Goleta Community Plan eir.

1406
01:14:47,292 --> 01:14:48,817
The project would be compliant

1407
01:14:48,817 --> 01:14:49,726
with the Goleta Community Plan

1408
01:14:49,726 --> 01:14:50,729
policies, and the project would

1409
01:14:50,729 --> 01:14:52,200
not result in impacts beyond

1410
01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:53,133
those previously evaluated in

1411
01:14:53,133 --> 01:14:53,916
the eir. Staff recommends that

1412
01:14:53,916 --> 01:14:55,710
your commission make the

1413
01:14:55,710 --> 01:14:55,981
required findings for approval.

1414
01:14:55,981 --> 01:14:56,530
Determine the project is exempt

1415
01:14:56,530 --> 01:14:57,109
from Sequa, and approve the

1416
01:14:57,109 --> 01:14:58,121
project subject to the

1417
01:14:58,121 --> 01:14:58,822
conditions of approval. That

1418
01:14:58,822 --> 01:14:59,526
concludes my presentation and

1419
01:14:59,526 --> 01:15:00,384
I'm available for questions.

1420
01:15:00,384 --> 01:15:01,152
Thank you. Are there any

1421
01:15:01,152 --> 01:15:02,118
questions? Okay. There are no

1422
01:15:02,118 --> 01:15:02,843
questions. The applicant is the

1423
01:15:02,843 --> 01:15:03,707
applicant present and prepared

1424
01:15:03,707 --> 01:15:04,379
to speak. Thank you. Chair

1425
01:15:04,379 --> 01:15:05,740
commissioners. Alan McLeod,

1426
01:15:05,740 --> 01:15:06,703
agent for the for the owners.

1427
01:15:06,703 --> 01:15:07,984
I'm here just to answer any

1428
01:15:07,984 --> 01:15:09,323
questions that you MAY have.

1429
01:15:09,323 --> 01:15:10,770
Just out of curiosity. Why why

1430
01:15:10,770 --> 01:15:12,360
why why the lot line adjustment.

1431
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:13,545
The families own the property.

1432
01:15:13,545 --> 01:15:15,300
For 50 years they've been

1433
01:15:15,300 --> 01:15:16,630
ranching. The the avocados and

1434
01:15:16,630 --> 01:15:18,910
the lemons. There's no plan to

1435
01:15:18,910 --> 01:15:19,162
sell the property at this point,

1436
01:15:19,162 --> 01:15:20,555
but at any given time in the

1437
01:15:20,555 --> 01:15:21,620
future, they want the option to

1438
01:15:21,620 --> 01:15:22,864
maybe retain a piece of it if

1439
01:15:22,864 --> 01:15:24,272
they choose to put it on the

1440
01:15:24,272 --> 01:15:25,835
market. So they've been

1441
01:15:25,835 --> 01:15:27,219
connected to the property for a

1442
01:15:27,219 --> 01:15:28,635
long time. So that's the main

1443
01:15:28,635 --> 01:15:30,690
reason why they're wanting to

1444
01:15:30,690 --> 01:15:31,212
do this lot line adjustment.

1445
01:15:31,212 --> 01:15:32,827
Okay. Thank you. Any other

1446
01:15:32,827 --> 01:15:33,927
questions from the

1447
01:15:33,927 --> 01:15:35,596
commissioners? No questions. So

1448
01:15:35,596 --> 01:15:36,720
at this point I'm looking for a

1449
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:37,751
motion to accept. So oh public

1450
01:15:37,751 --> 01:15:38,814
comment. Thank you. Open it up

1451
01:15:38,814 --> 01:15:40,460
for public comment. Anybody

1452
01:15:40,460 --> 01:15:41,612
from the public here to speak

1453
01:15:41,612 --> 01:15:42,388
on this issue. Anybody online

1454
01:15:42,388 --> 01:15:42,976
MR. Villalobos? No. Hands

1455
01:15:42,976 --> 01:15:43,656
raised online. Okay. We'll give

1456
01:15:43,656 --> 01:15:44,634
them just a moment here. And if

1457
01:15:44,634 --> 01:15:45,272
there's no questions then we're

1458
01:15:45,272 --> 01:15:46,460
going to close public comment.

1459
01:15:46,460 --> 01:15:46,873
And then we're going to look

1460
01:15:46,873 --> 01:15:47,700
for a motion to accept or

1461
01:15:47,700 --> 01:15:48,339
deliberation or deliberation. I

1462
01:15:48,339 --> 01:15:49,600
move the staff recommendation.

1463
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:49,973
I would second that. Okay. Any

1464
01:15:49,973 --> 01:15:51,360
further discussion? Okay. All

1465
01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:52,410
in favor? I. I. I. I. None

1466
01:15:52,410 --> 01:15:53,458
opposed. Motion carries. Thank

1467
01:15:53,458 --> 01:15:54,766
you very much to all of you.

1468
01:15:54,766 --> 01:15:55,825
And we will take a moment here

1469
01:15:55,825 --> 01:15:57,220
before we move on to the next

1470
01:15:57,220 --> 01:15:57,949
item. We are going to take a

1471
01:15:57,949 --> 01:15:59,620
five minute break and we will

1472
01:15:59,620 --> 01:16:01,620
return momentarily.

1473
01:19:34,667 --> 01:19:36,667
Here we go.

1474
01:19:38,638 --> 01:19:42,238
Okay. We're coming back on. So

1475
01:19:44,844 --> 01:19:46,279
the next item on the agenda. Go

1476
01:19:46,279 --> 01:19:47,480
ahead, MR. Villalobos. Thank

1477
01:19:47,480 --> 01:19:49,181
you. Thank you. The following

1478
01:19:49,181 --> 01:19:50,249
is a hearing on the request of

1479
01:19:50,249 --> 01:19:53,850
Hayden Land, an applicant to

1480
01:19:53,850 --> 01:19:55,485
consider case number 24, dvp35,

1481
01:19:56,255 --> 01:19:57,813
as well as 25qp21, and to adopt

1482
01:19:57,813 --> 01:19:59,592
the mitigated negative

1483
01:19:59,592 --> 01:20:00,994
declaration, case number 26 d

1484
01:20:00,994 --> 01:20:01,994
one and the mitigation

1485
01:20:01,994 --> 01:20:04,394
monitoring program contained in

1486
01:20:06,980 --> 01:20:07,633
the conditions of approval.

1487
01:20:07,633 --> 01:20:10,300
Thank you very much. At this

1488
01:20:10,300 --> 01:20:12,973
point, I'd like to ask staff to

1489
01:20:12,973 --> 01:20:15,373
share their presentation. Do

1490
01:20:15,808 --> 01:20:17,576
you want to? Oh yes. Thank you

1491
01:20:17,576 --> 01:20:18,979
very much. Commissioner. Mayor

1492
01:20:18,979 --> 01:20:20,780
Connor, any ex parte

1493
01:20:20,780 --> 01:20:23,180
communication or site visits?

1494
01:20:26,552 --> 01:20:30,157
Yes, yes I do. I visited with

1495
01:20:30,157 --> 01:20:32,557
Brett Jones, the applicant's

1496
01:20:33,493 --> 01:20:35,893
representative, last week. Went

1497
01:20:36,295 --> 01:20:38,431
on a tour of the property

1498
01:20:38,431 --> 01:20:40,968
involved. Saw the location of

1499
01:20:40,968 --> 01:20:43,368
the improvements that are

1500
01:20:44,904 --> 01:20:46,739
proposed for the property. He

1501
01:20:46,739 --> 01:20:49,576
answered all my questions and I

1502
01:20:49,576 --> 01:20:52,144
had a very enlightening visit

1503
01:20:52,144 --> 01:20:53,579
with him and the property.

1504
01:20:53,579 --> 01:20:55,648
Thank you Commissioner mayor

1505
01:20:55,648 --> 01:20:57,216
Connor. I also would like to

1506
01:20:57,216 --> 01:20:58,952
report that I also did a site

1507
01:20:58,952 --> 01:21:00,787
visit with MR. Jones earlier

1508
01:21:00,787 --> 01:21:03,187
this week, along with

1509
01:21:03,656 --> 01:21:05,825
Commissioner Park. MR. Jones

1510
01:21:05,825 --> 01:21:07,960
showed us the pretty much the

1511
01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:10,130
entire parcel as well as the

1512
01:21:10,130 --> 01:21:12,331
parcels adjacent to it. He

1513
01:21:12,331 --> 01:21:13,467
showed us where the

1514
01:21:13,467 --> 01:21:14,767
construction would take place,

1515
01:21:14,767 --> 01:21:16,602
where the project would take

1516
01:21:16,602 --> 01:21:20,202
place, and he answered all of

1517
01:21:20,574 --> 01:21:24,174
our questions. So now I would

1518
01:21:24,510 --> 01:21:28,110
like to ask staff to please

1519
01:21:28,881 --> 01:21:30,667
share your report. Good morning,

1520
01:21:30,667 --> 01:21:32,423
commissioners and chair Guy.

1521
01:21:32,423 --> 01:21:33,962
I'm Steve Connor, and I'll be

1522
01:21:33,962 --> 01:21:35,226
presenting this project on

1523
01:21:35,226 --> 01:21:36,764
behalf of Planning and

1524
01:21:36,764 --> 01:21:38,384
development staff. The project

1525
01:21:38,384 --> 01:21:39,475
before you today is a request

1526
01:21:39,475 --> 01:21:40,608
for a proposed development plan

1527
01:21:40,608 --> 01:21:41,862
to allow construction of an

1528
01:21:41,862 --> 01:21:43,308
equestrian arena, along with a

1529
01:21:43,308 --> 01:21:45,640
request for a land use permit

1530
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:46,610
for expansion of an existing

1531
01:21:46,610 --> 01:21:48,322
equestrian facility and a

1532
01:21:48,322 --> 01:21:49,916
request for a minor conditional

1533
01:21:49,916 --> 01:21:51,580
use permit to allow small scale

1534
01:21:51,580 --> 01:21:53,650
special events under the

1535
01:21:53,650 --> 01:21:55,650
Agricultural Enterprise

1536
01:21:57,978 --> 01:21:59,521
Ordinance. These three

1537
01:21:59,521 --> 01:22:01,550
entitlements are being

1538
01:22:01,550 --> 01:22:02,617
requested because the two main

1539
01:22:02,617 --> 01:22:04,165
project components trigger

1540
01:22:04,165 --> 01:22:05,566
different paths. The

1541
01:22:05,566 --> 01:22:07,700
development plan and land use

1542
01:22:07,700 --> 01:22:08,127
permit are requested because

1543
01:22:08,127 --> 01:22:09,989
the Arena Square footage

1544
01:22:09,989 --> 01:22:11,758
exceeds the 15,000 square foot

1545
01:22:11,758 --> 01:22:14,593
maximum for development in an

1546
01:22:14,593 --> 01:22:16,396
ag 240 zone, and an loop is

1547
01:22:16,396 --> 01:22:18,396
required for equestrian

1548
01:22:19,232 --> 01:22:21,520
facilities in ag 240 zones. The

1549
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:22,484
development plan also includes

1550
01:22:22,484 --> 01:22:23,939
the request for modification to

1551
01:22:23,939 --> 01:22:25,458
allow for the required parking

1552
01:22:25,458 --> 01:22:27,140
spaces to be unmarked and

1553
01:22:27,140 --> 01:22:28,274
unpaved. The parking location

1554
01:22:28,274 --> 01:22:30,409
will be described and shown

1555
01:22:30,409 --> 01:22:32,354
later in this presentation. The

1556
01:22:32,354 --> 01:22:33,771
minor conditional use permit

1557
01:22:33,771 --> 01:22:35,300
will allow small scale special

1558
01:22:35,300 --> 01:22:37,700
events as an agricultural

1559
01:22:39,385 --> 01:22:42,385
enterprise ordinance or an eo

1560
01:22:43,723 --> 01:22:45,524
use. The proposed project is

1561
01:22:45,524 --> 01:22:47,326
located off Baseline Avenue in

1562
01:22:47,326 --> 01:22:49,496
the Santa Ynez Valley on the

1563
01:22:49,496 --> 01:22:51,119
east side of highway 154,

1564
01:22:51,119 --> 01:22:53,990
roughly halfway between the

1565
01:22:53,990 --> 01:22:55,968
towns of Los Olivos and Santa

1566
01:22:55,968 --> 01:22:58,604
Ynez, as shown here. Welcome,

1567
01:22:58,604 --> 01:23:01,400
Commissioner Park, excuse me

1568
01:23:01,374 --> 01:23:02,842
for just one moment here. MR.

1569
01:23:02,842 --> 01:23:04,243
Connor, could you please hold?

1570
01:23:04,243 --> 01:23:05,711
I just want to note that

1571
01:23:05,711 --> 01:23:07,380
Commissioner Park has joined us,

1572
01:23:07,380 --> 01:23:09,548
and he will also be weighing in

1573
01:23:09,548 --> 01:23:13,748
on this issue. So I'd ask you

1574
01:23:17,356 --> 01:23:19,325
now to please continue. Here's

1575
01:23:19,325 --> 01:23:20,793
a quick Google Earth flyover

1576
01:23:20,793 --> 01:23:23,362
video that gives a little more

1577
01:23:23,362 --> 01:23:26,165
context for the location. I

1578
01:23:26,165 --> 01:23:29,201
can't click on that. I guess

1579
01:23:29,201 --> 01:23:32,801
maybe if you click on this,

1580
01:23:45,785 --> 01:23:47,459
this work. No. Okay. If you.

1581
01:23:47,459 --> 01:23:48,610
There you go. There's a play

1582
01:23:48,610 --> 01:23:51,610
button at the bottom. Yeah.

1583
01:23:53,225 --> 01:23:56,825
There you go. Thank you. That's

1584
01:23:57,396 --> 01:23:59,796
important. Yeah. Thank you.

1585
01:24:03,436 --> 01:24:05,304
Thank you. Maybe you want to do

1586
01:24:05,304 --> 01:24:08,904
the other slide. I think so

1587
01:24:08,975 --> 01:24:10,815
because Tatiana probably this.

1588
01:24:10,815 --> 01:24:12,251
The subject parcel and

1589
01:24:12,251 --> 01:24:13,957
surrounding properties are

1590
01:24:13,957 --> 01:24:17,557
zoned ag two with a 40 acre

1591
01:24:17,583 --> 01:24:19,318
minimum lot size. These are

1592
01:24:19,318 --> 01:24:20,853
existing views of the site with

1593
01:24:20,853 --> 01:24:22,254
a view from the east showing an

1594
01:24:22,254 --> 01:24:23,690
existing equestrian barn

1595
01:24:23,690 --> 01:24:25,559
located on on the owner's

1596
01:24:25,559 --> 01:24:26,859
separate adjacent parcel to the

1597
01:24:26,859 --> 01:24:28,862
west, and a view from the south

1598
01:24:28,862 --> 01:24:30,162
showing an existing 900 zero

1599
01:24:30,162 --> 01:24:32,331
square foot garage and ag barn

1600
01:24:32,331 --> 01:24:33,608
on the subject property located

1601
01:24:33,608 --> 01:24:35,568
immediately north of the

1602
01:24:35,568 --> 01:24:36,969
proposed arena development area

1603
01:24:36,969 --> 01:24:38,451
and next to the proposed

1604
01:24:38,451 --> 01:24:41,451
outdoor area for the small

1605
01:24:41,841 --> 01:24:43,342
scale special events. Here's a

1606
01:24:43,342 --> 01:24:44,644
view from the west showing the

1607
01:24:44,644 --> 01:24:46,779
area generally proposed for

1608
01:24:46,779 --> 01:24:47,948
small scale events. The view

1609
01:24:47,948 --> 01:24:49,782
from the north was taken just

1610
01:24:49,782 --> 01:24:52,551
before the 900 zero square foot

1611
01:24:52,551 --> 01:24:55,551
garage barn was constructed in

1612
01:24:56,455 --> 01:24:58,624
2025. Here's the site plan

1613
01:24:58,624 --> 01:25:00,590
depicting the arena in a blue

1614
01:25:00,590 --> 01:25:01,460
outline and defined area.

1615
01:25:01,460 --> 01:25:02,628
Outdoor area in red outline

1616
01:25:02,628 --> 01:25:04,797
where the events will take

1617
01:25:04,797 --> 01:25:06,198
place. A new stormwater

1618
01:25:06,198 --> 01:25:07,967
retention basin in a private,

1619
01:25:07,967 --> 01:25:09,435
new private on site wastewater

1620
01:25:09,435 --> 01:25:10,674
treatment system will be

1621
01:25:10,674 --> 01:25:13,740
constructed along the southern

1622
01:25:13,773 --> 01:25:15,908
side of the area. The subject

1623
01:25:15,908 --> 01:25:17,376
property contains approximately

1624
01:25:17,376 --> 01:25:18,749
9.7 acres of pasture areas,

1625
01:25:18,749 --> 01:25:20,279
which are located to the north

1626
01:25:20,279 --> 01:25:21,747
and south of the arena and in

1627
01:25:21,747 --> 01:25:22,748
the square pins near the

1628
01:25:22,748 --> 01:25:25,148
southeast corner of the

1629
01:25:25,251 --> 01:25:26,453
property. The property also

1630
01:25:26,453 --> 01:25:28,154
contains approximately 20 acres

1631
01:25:28,154 --> 01:25:30,122
of orchard grass cultivation in

1632
01:25:30,122 --> 01:25:32,426
the northern northeast portion

1633
01:25:32,426 --> 01:25:33,592
of the subject property.

1634
01:25:33,592 --> 01:25:34,794
Parking for the arena and small

1635
01:25:34,794 --> 01:25:37,563
scale events will be arranged

1636
01:25:37,563 --> 01:25:38,931
in the orange areas shown here.

1637
01:25:38,931 --> 01:25:40,366
Existing permitted on site

1638
01:25:40,366 --> 01:25:42,366
development. Includes a

1639
01:25:42,902 --> 01:25:45,302
recently constructed garage for

1640
01:25:45,438 --> 01:25:48,307
single stall horse barns, a

1641
01:25:48,307 --> 01:25:51,177
horse breeding barn, two hay

1642
01:25:51,177 --> 01:25:53,313
barns, two horse stall barns,

1643
01:25:53,313 --> 01:25:54,815
two agricultural employee

1644
01:25:54,815 --> 01:25:57,215
dwellings and an agricultural

1645
01:25:59,518 --> 01:26:01,518
irrigation reservoir. These

1646
01:26:01,654 --> 01:26:03,489
elevations depict the proposed

1647
01:26:03,489 --> 01:26:04,891
29.5ft tall arena from the

1648
01:26:04,891 --> 01:26:07,260
north, south, east and west.

1649
01:26:07,260 --> 01:26:08,295
The Central Board of

1650
01:26:08,295 --> 01:26:09,528
Architectural Review conducted

1651
01:26:09,528 --> 01:26:10,630
a site visit and determined

1652
01:26:10,630 --> 01:26:12,399
that the proposed structure

1653
01:26:12,399 --> 01:26:14,601
could be seen from the north

1654
01:26:14,601 --> 01:26:16,400
along Roblar Avenue. Therefore,

1655
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:17,136
the board requested that the

1656
01:26:17,136 --> 01:26:18,537
applicant incorporate tall

1657
01:26:18,537 --> 01:26:20,306
trees to screen the structure.

1658
01:26:20,306 --> 01:26:21,841
The board recommended the item

1659
01:26:21,841 --> 01:26:22,908
return for preliminary and

1660
01:26:22,908 --> 01:26:24,908
final approval, pending

1661
01:26:26,846 --> 01:26:28,247
approval by your commission.

1662
01:26:28,247 --> 01:26:28,981
After the staff report was

1663
01:26:28,981 --> 01:26:30,549
docketed last week, the

1664
01:26:30,549 --> 01:26:31,550
applicant requested a change to

1665
01:26:31,550 --> 01:26:33,352
the first sentence of the

1666
01:26:33,352 --> 01:26:35,121
proposed project description in

1667
01:26:35,121 --> 01:26:36,922
order to remove a self-imposed

1668
01:26:36,922 --> 01:26:38,124
limitation of number of

1669
01:26:38,124 --> 01:26:39,825
agricultural enterprise small

1670
01:26:39,825 --> 01:26:41,627
scale special events with the

1671
01:26:41,627 --> 01:26:43,397
within the arena to allow the

1672
01:26:43,397 --> 01:26:45,164
applicant more flexibility.

1673
01:26:45,164 --> 01:26:46,632
Staff finds that with this

1674
01:26:46,632 --> 01:26:47,733
change, the project remains

1675
01:26:47,733 --> 01:26:49,135
consistent with all applicable

1676
01:26:49,135 --> 01:26:51,135
policies and development

1677
01:26:53,473 --> 01:26:54,674
standards. The project was

1678
01:26:54,674 --> 01:26:56,800
thoroughly reviewed by staff

1679
01:26:56,800 --> 01:26:57,443
and is consistent with policies

1680
01:26:57,443 --> 01:26:59,443
regarding availability of

1681
01:27:00,346 --> 01:27:02,114
adequate surfaces, agricultural

1682
01:27:02,114 --> 01:27:03,550
resources, esthetics, visual

1683
01:27:03,550 --> 01:27:05,550
resources, and compatibility

1684
01:27:05,751 --> 01:27:07,586
with surrounding development,

1685
01:27:07,586 --> 01:27:08,955
biological resources, cultural

1686
01:27:08,955 --> 01:27:11,123
resources, water resources and

1687
01:27:11,123 --> 01:27:11,958
noise. The equestrian arena was

1688
01:27:11,958 --> 01:27:13,660
reviewed for compliance with

1689
01:27:13,660 --> 01:27:15,529
height limit setbacks and

1690
01:27:15,529 --> 01:27:16,529
parking regulations, including

1691
01:27:16,529 --> 01:27:17,930
development standards and

1692
01:27:17,930 --> 01:27:19,865
requirements for the ag 240

1693
01:27:19,865 --> 01:27:22,265
zone district Development Plans

1694
01:27:22,301 --> 01:27:24,104
and design review. The special

1695
01:27:24,104 --> 01:27:25,571
events were reviewed for safety,

1696
01:27:25,571 --> 01:27:27,373
noise duration, number of

1697
01:27:27,373 --> 01:27:28,441
events, and parking. The

1698
01:27:28,441 --> 01:27:29,710
project has been conditioned to

1699
01:27:29,710 --> 01:27:31,377
make sure it is consistent with

1700
01:27:31,377 --> 01:27:32,378
both the policies of the

1701
01:27:32,378 --> 01:27:33,847
Comprehensive Plan and the

1702
01:27:33,847 --> 01:27:35,648
Santa Ynez Valley Community

1703
01:27:35,648 --> 01:27:36,682
Plan, and is consistent with

1704
01:27:36,682 --> 01:27:38,840
development standards in the

1705
01:27:38,840 --> 01:27:39,585
County Land Use and Development

1706
01:27:39,585 --> 01:27:40,653
Code, including the

1707
01:27:40,653 --> 01:27:42,653
Agricultural Enterprise

1708
01:27:44,256 --> 01:27:46,920
Ordinance. The project is

1709
01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:47,526
consistent with all standards

1710
01:27:47,526 --> 01:27:48,961
because the primary use of the

1711
01:27:48,961 --> 01:27:50,363
parcel is commercial ag,

1712
01:27:50,363 --> 01:27:52,565
consisting of orchard grass and

1713
01:27:52,565 --> 01:27:53,584
pasture. At 50 acres, the

1714
01:27:53,584 --> 01:27:55,984
project meets the minimum

1715
01:27:56,168 --> 01:27:57,536
premises size. Parking must be

1716
01:27:57,536 --> 01:27:59,372
located within preexisting

1717
01:27:59,372 --> 01:28:01,140
disturbed areas, and temporary

1718
01:28:01,140 --> 01:28:02,943
signage is required prior to

1719
01:28:02,943 --> 01:28:04,777
events to guide guests to the

1720
01:28:04,777 --> 01:28:06,450
designated parking area. Dust

1721
01:28:06,450 --> 01:28:07,647
control measures are required

1722
01:28:07,647 --> 01:28:09,215
to mitigate the unpaved parking,

1723
01:28:09,215 --> 01:28:10,883
and a parking coordinator shall

1724
01:28:10,883 --> 01:28:13,883
be required for events attended

1725
01:28:14,453 --> 01:28:15,221
by 100 or more persons.

1726
01:28:15,221 --> 01:28:16,689
Operations and outdoor

1727
01:28:16,689 --> 01:28:19,158
amplified sound are limited to

1728
01:28:19,158 --> 01:28:20,259
these hours, and the ag

1729
01:28:20,259 --> 01:28:21,761
Enterprise Operator must

1730
01:28:21,761 --> 01:28:22,828
provide guests with an

1731
01:28:22,828 --> 01:28:24,828
informational advisory to

1732
01:28:25,665 --> 01:28:27,330
disclose a potential minor

1733
01:28:27,330 --> 01:28:28,901
inconveniences from preexisting

1734
01:28:28,901 --> 01:28:30,901
agricultural operations, such

1735
01:28:34,674 --> 01:28:35,708
as noise, dust and odor.

1736
01:28:35,708 --> 01:28:37,510
Environmental review first

1737
01:28:37,510 --> 01:28:38,611
included filling out the Sequa

1738
01:28:38,611 --> 01:28:41,113
checklist that was created for

1739
01:28:41,113 --> 01:28:43,684
touring projects off the a

1740
01:28:43,684 --> 01:28:46,840
eopeir or Program Environmental

1741
01:28:46,152 --> 01:28:47,486
report. Several peir

1742
01:28:47,486 --> 01:28:48,922
mitigations were incorporated

1743
01:28:48,922 --> 01:28:50,489
into the project as conditions

1744
01:28:50,489 --> 01:28:51,925
of approval, including the

1745
01:28:51,925 --> 01:28:52,925
requirement to develop and

1746
01:28:52,925 --> 01:28:54,794
implement a tree protection

1747
01:28:54,794 --> 01:28:56,963
plan for native trees, limiting

1748
01:28:56,963 --> 01:28:58,397
hours for outdoor amplified

1749
01:28:58,397 --> 01:28:59,399
sound and development, and

1750
01:28:59,399 --> 01:29:01,799
implementation of a fire

1751
01:29:02,680 --> 01:29:03,402
protection plan. The equestrian

1752
01:29:03,402 --> 01:29:06,706
arena was not considered in the

1753
01:29:06,706 --> 01:29:09,575
a eoppeir because it exceeded

1754
01:29:09,575 --> 01:29:11,975
the 2500 square foot maximum

1755
01:29:12,790 --> 01:29:13,879
for new accessory structures,

1756
01:29:13,879 --> 01:29:15,879
therefore mitigated negative

1757
01:29:15,881 --> 01:29:17,483
declaration or nd was prepared

1758
01:29:17,483 --> 01:29:18,918
for analysis of impacts

1759
01:29:18,918 --> 01:29:20,386
associated with the arena and

1760
01:29:20,386 --> 01:29:22,588
circulated for a 30 day public

1761
01:29:22,588 --> 01:29:23,956
review. Mitigation measures

1762
01:29:23,956 --> 01:29:25,525
were incorporated into the

1763
01:29:25,525 --> 01:29:28,525
project to address impacts that

1764
01:29:28,661 --> 01:29:30,429
weren't included in the eopeir,

1765
01:29:30,429 --> 01:29:31,531
including bar approval and a

1766
01:29:31,531 --> 01:29:33,699
requirement to use natural

1767
01:29:33,699 --> 01:29:34,834
colors and building materials.

1768
01:29:34,834 --> 01:29:35,969
Incorporation of a new fire

1769
01:29:35,969 --> 01:29:37,703
protection equipment into the

1770
01:29:37,703 --> 01:29:39,710
fire protection plan.

1771
01:29:39,710 --> 01:29:40,906
Development and implementation

1772
01:29:40,906 --> 01:29:42,743
of a source reduction and solid

1773
01:29:42,743 --> 01:29:44,877
waste management plan and

1774
01:29:44,877 --> 01:29:46,345
animal waste management plan.

1775
01:29:46,345 --> 01:29:47,747
Development of an erosion and

1776
01:29:47,747 --> 01:29:48,781
sediment control plan and

1777
01:29:48,781 --> 01:29:49,915
management of construction

1778
01:29:49,915 --> 01:29:52,315
equipment and storage and

1779
01:29:52,787 --> 01:29:54,553
washout area. One comment

1780
01:29:54,553 --> 01:29:55,655
letter was received on the nd

1781
01:29:55,655 --> 01:29:57,823
from the California Department

1782
01:29:57,823 --> 01:29:59,659
of Conservation regarding

1783
01:29:59,659 --> 01:30:00,726
discussion of the conversion of

1784
01:30:00,726 --> 01:30:02,529
agricultural land to

1785
01:30:02,529 --> 01:30:03,562
Nonagricultural use and project

1786
01:30:03,562 --> 01:30:04,997
compatibility with the

1787
01:30:04,997 --> 01:30:06,832
Williamson Act or County

1788
01:30:06,832 --> 01:30:08,267
Agricultural Preserve contract

1789
01:30:08,267 --> 01:30:10,102
requirements. No other comment

1790
01:30:10,102 --> 01:30:11,270
letters were received. The

1791
01:30:11,270 --> 01:30:12,939
applicant proposes to retain

1792
01:30:12,939 --> 01:30:14,674
and stockpile all prime

1793
01:30:14,674 --> 01:30:16,142
farmland topsoils that will be

1794
01:30:16,142 --> 01:30:17,977
disturbed by the arena

1795
01:30:17,977 --> 01:30:19,378
development pad and utilize

1796
01:30:19,378 --> 01:30:20,814
utilize the stockpile to amend

1797
01:30:20,814 --> 01:30:22,281
soils elsewhere in the areas

1798
01:30:22,281 --> 01:30:25,281
with ongoing feed, grass and

1799
01:30:26,919 --> 01:30:28,200
pasture cultivation. In

1800
01:30:28,200 --> 01:30:29,880
conclusion, staff recommends

1801
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:31,570
that you make the required

1802
01:30:31,570 --> 01:30:33,920
findings for approval included

1803
01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:34,527
in attachment a determined that

1804
01:30:34,527 --> 01:30:35,962
the mitigated negative

1805
01:30:35,962 --> 01:30:37,264
declaration is adequate and

1806
01:30:37,264 --> 01:30:38,864
approve the project subject to

1807
01:30:38,864 --> 01:30:40,267
the conditions included as

1808
01:30:40,267 --> 01:30:42,469
attachment b and as revised

1809
01:30:42,469 --> 01:30:44,270
during this presentation. This

1810
01:30:44,270 --> 01:30:45,304
concludes staff's presentation.

1811
01:30:45,304 --> 01:30:46,739
Staff and the applicant team

1812
01:30:46,739 --> 01:30:49,275
are available to answer any

1813
01:30:49,275 --> 01:30:51,111
questions. Thank you. Thank you

1814
01:30:51,111 --> 01:30:52,912
very much. Before we move on to

1815
01:30:52,912 --> 01:30:54,280
questions, I just want to ask

1816
01:30:54,280 --> 01:30:55,514
Commissioner Park if he's got

1817
01:30:55,514 --> 01:30:57,216
any ex parte communication or

1818
01:30:57,216 --> 01:30:58,618
site visits that he'd like to

1819
01:30:58,618 --> 01:31:02,218
report before we go into the

1820
01:31:03,623 --> 01:31:05,157
discussion. Yes, I met on what

1821
01:31:05,157 --> 01:31:08,270
day was it? I think it was

1822
01:31:08,270 --> 01:31:11,627
Monday with you, MR. Guy, and

1823
01:31:12,665 --> 01:31:14,660
with MR. Jones. And I also met

1824
01:31:14,660 --> 01:31:17,336
with MR. Connor the same day,

1825
01:31:17,336 --> 01:31:19,380
right? Yeah, I got down here.

1826
01:31:19,380 --> 01:31:22,638
He counts, but in a different

1827
01:31:23,809 --> 01:31:25,445
way. Thank you very much. I'd

1828
01:31:25,445 --> 01:31:26,479
like to open it up to questions

1829
01:31:26,479 --> 01:31:28,914
from the commissioners. And I

1830
01:31:28,914 --> 01:31:31,914
see MR. Martinez. Yes. Thank

1831
01:31:32,451 --> 01:31:33,886
you chair. Just for

1832
01:31:33,886 --> 01:31:36,286
clarification, I keep on

1833
01:31:37,523 --> 01:31:38,958
hearing outdoor arena, but the

1834
01:31:38,958 --> 01:31:40,359
reality is the arena we're

1835
01:31:40,359 --> 01:31:42,528
talking about is that which is

1836
01:31:42,528 --> 01:31:45,528
depicted in slide number nine,

1837
01:31:45,564 --> 01:31:46,499
correct. Commissioner Martinez

1838
01:31:46,499 --> 01:31:48,701
through the chair. That's

1839
01:31:48,701 --> 01:31:50,103
correct. It's an enclosed air

1840
01:31:50,103 --> 01:31:52,271
condition or climate controlled

1841
01:31:52,271 --> 01:31:55,871
arena. Okay. Okay. So this is

1842
01:31:57,677 --> 01:31:59,790
going to be utilized for.

1843
01:31:59,790 --> 01:32:01,479
Equestrian. Well, it's an

1844
01:32:01,981 --> 01:32:04,483
equestrian arena. And I guess

1845
01:32:04,483 --> 01:32:05,718
that's a very capitalized and

1846
01:32:05,718 --> 01:32:07,530
small scale special events.

1847
01:32:07,530 --> 01:32:07,853
What, what events are we

1848
01:32:07,853 --> 01:32:09,588
talking about in these small

1849
01:32:09,588 --> 01:32:11,357
scale special events and what

1850
01:32:11,357 --> 01:32:13,159
are the restrictions? What

1851
01:32:13,159 --> 01:32:14,927
defines a special small special

1852
01:32:14,927 --> 01:32:16,362
event? The number of people,

1853
01:32:16,362 --> 01:32:19,962
what kind of events you can

1854
01:32:20,700 --> 01:32:22,501
have. Commissioner Martinez

1855
01:32:22,501 --> 01:32:25,370
through the Chair Yes, that's

1856
01:32:25,370 --> 01:32:26,472
correct. The the small scale

1857
01:32:26,472 --> 01:32:29,900
special events are defined by

1858
01:32:29,900 --> 01:32:30,743
the number of attendees, the

1859
01:32:30,743 --> 01:32:33,312
the number of events that can

1860
01:32:33,312 --> 01:32:35,615
occur per year. In this case,

1861
01:32:35,615 --> 01:32:37,350
the applicant proposes a number

1862
01:32:37,350 --> 01:32:38,918
of attendees that exceed what

1863
01:32:38,918 --> 01:32:41,220
is allowed with the zoning and

1864
01:32:41,220 --> 01:32:42,488
clearance, so that the code

1865
01:32:42,488 --> 01:32:44,230
requires a minor conditional

1866
01:32:44,230 --> 01:32:45,591
use permit, which is approved

1867
01:32:45,591 --> 01:32:47,126
by the Planning Commission.

1868
01:32:47,126 --> 01:32:48,661
Okay. And that's why I'm asking

1869
01:32:48,661 --> 01:32:49,695
is what kind of numbers are we

1870
01:32:49,695 --> 01:32:51,697
talking about here? And the

1871
01:32:51,697 --> 01:32:53,799
number of people is it a small

1872
01:32:53,799 --> 01:32:57,399
event is less than 100 or less

1873
01:32:59,205 --> 01:33:01,400
than 200. What? Commissioner

1874
01:33:01,400 --> 01:33:04,400
Martinez, I'm going to read

1875
01:33:06,112 --> 01:33:07,647
here. Let's see. No more than

1876
01:33:07,647 --> 01:33:09,282
12 small scale special events

1877
01:33:09,282 --> 01:33:11,517
will be held per year. Each

1878
01:33:11,517 --> 01:33:14,253
event will have a maximum of

1879
01:33:14,253 --> 01:33:15,421
150. Okay, 150. And a small

1880
01:33:15,421 --> 01:33:18,421
scale event can be anything

1881
01:33:18,692 --> 01:33:21,193
from a concert to a wedding

1882
01:33:21,193 --> 01:33:23,620
dinner, dinner, reception,

1883
01:33:23,620 --> 01:33:25,197
parties. It can be equestrian

1884
01:33:25,197 --> 01:33:28,167
related. Yeah, the a e o kind

1885
01:33:28,167 --> 01:33:29,835
of lists some examples of types

1886
01:33:29,835 --> 01:33:31,700
of events they can have. Okay.

1887
01:33:31,700 --> 01:33:33,472
And I imagine the fire code is

1888
01:33:33,472 --> 01:33:35,241
going to be very applicable to

1889
01:33:35,241 --> 01:33:37,430
the kind of events you can have.

1890
01:33:37,430 --> 01:33:38,780
Absolutely. Yeah. They and fire

1891
01:33:38,780 --> 01:33:39,613
department thoroughly reviews

1892
01:33:39,613 --> 01:33:41,347
this because they want to make

1893
01:33:41,347 --> 01:33:43,616
sure people congregating in any

1894
01:33:43,616 --> 01:33:44,917
space, the structures are going

1895
01:33:44,917 --> 01:33:47,119
to meet fire code requirements

1896
01:33:47,119 --> 01:33:49,588
and how and with that kind of

1897
01:33:49,588 --> 01:33:52,525
number of people, how, how many

1898
01:33:52,525 --> 01:33:55,525
parkings is is planned for,

1899
01:33:56,290 --> 01:33:57,130
then is it 1.5 again, like we

1900
01:33:57,130 --> 01:34:00,130
used in the residential rooms

1901
01:34:08,342 --> 01:34:09,609
and. Commissioner Martinez

1902
01:34:09,609 --> 01:34:11,944
through the chair, I might need

1903
01:34:11,944 --> 01:34:14,113
to look up that exact number. I

1904
01:34:14,113 --> 01:34:16,248
believe it was something like

1905
01:34:16,248 --> 01:34:18,784
1.5. I think the number we

1906
01:34:18,784 --> 01:34:20,219
arrived at was 69 spaces. Okay.

1907
01:34:20,219 --> 01:34:21,988
That would be required for this

1908
01:34:21,988 --> 01:34:23,789
number of people, right. And

1909
01:34:23,789 --> 01:34:25,591
it's within that defined orange

1910
01:34:25,591 --> 01:34:27,427
area as you indicated

1911
01:34:27,427 --> 01:34:29,827
previously. That is correct.

1912
01:34:35,701 --> 01:34:37,403
Okay. Thank you. I have a

1913
01:34:37,403 --> 01:34:39,403
question. Okay. Commissioner

1914
01:34:42,174 --> 01:34:43,676
mayor Connor. A clarification,

1915
01:34:43,676 --> 01:34:45,111
if you would, about the small

1916
01:34:45,111 --> 01:34:48,470
scale special events. So we're

1917
01:34:48,470 --> 01:34:49,782
talking about the space inside

1918
01:34:49,782 --> 01:34:52,285
the new building. And we're

1919
01:34:52,285 --> 01:34:54,685
also talking about events

1920
01:34:56,255 --> 01:34:58,425
outside the new building. Am I

1921
01:34:58,425 --> 01:34:59,859
correct, Commissioner Connor

1922
01:34:59,859 --> 01:35:02,610
through the Chair Yes, that's

1923
01:35:02,610 --> 01:35:03,863
correct. We we had looked

1924
01:35:03,863 --> 01:35:05,965
originally at just the outdoor

1925
01:35:05,965 --> 01:35:07,340
area, but in more recent

1926
01:35:07,340 --> 01:35:09,168
developments and talking with

1927
01:35:09,168 --> 01:35:11,270
the applicant and the agent,

1928
01:35:11,270 --> 01:35:13,139
they expressed a desire to be

1929
01:35:13,139 --> 01:35:16,739
able to hold events inside the

1930
01:35:18,878 --> 01:35:22,478
arena as well. The condition in

1931
01:35:22,515 --> 01:35:25,515
attachment b two says there

1932
01:35:29,355 --> 01:35:31,857
will be. Events, no more than

1933
01:35:31,857 --> 01:35:34,257
150 people, no more than 12

1934
01:35:37,631 --> 01:35:39,432
small scale per year. The

1935
01:35:39,432 --> 01:35:41,368
change in the condition that

1936
01:35:41,368 --> 01:35:44,470
you put on the screen earlier

1937
01:35:44,470 --> 01:35:46,640
in the hearing seemed to change

1938
01:35:46,640 --> 01:35:48,541
that language. So if you could

1939
01:35:48,541 --> 01:35:50,344
put that back up on the screen

1940
01:35:50,344 --> 01:35:54,544
so that we could see it, it

1941
01:35:56,182 --> 01:35:58,150
would be helpful. Commissioner.

1942
01:35:58,150 --> 01:36:00,653
Mayor Connor, I want to clarify

1943
01:36:00,653 --> 01:36:02,289
that the change is only to the

1944
01:36:02,289 --> 01:36:04,290
limit to the number of events

1945
01:36:04,290 --> 01:36:06,492
that can happen in the arena

1946
01:36:06,492 --> 01:36:08,227
area, in the enclosed arena. So

1947
01:36:08,227 --> 01:36:10,960
previously, the project

1948
01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:11,530
applicant was limiting the

1949
01:36:11,530 --> 01:36:14,000
number of events in the arena

1950
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:15,935
to 1 to 2 per year. Since the

1951
01:36:15,935 --> 01:36:17,837
staff report was docketed, they

1952
01:36:17,837 --> 01:36:19,500
would like to be able to have

1953
01:36:19,500 --> 01:36:21,405
more than potentially 1 to 2

1954
01:36:21,574 --> 01:36:23,900
per year in the arena, still

1955
01:36:23,900 --> 01:36:24,745
contained within the total of

1956
01:36:24,745 --> 01:36:26,213
12 per year. So there's no

1957
01:36:26,213 --> 01:36:28,140
change to the total number of

1958
01:36:28,140 --> 01:36:29,482
events that are being requested.

1959
01:36:29,482 --> 01:36:31,617
And that's within the arena.

1960
01:36:31,617 --> 01:36:33,850
How about outside? Is the same

1961
01:36:33,850 --> 01:36:34,920
limitation apply outside?

1962
01:36:34,920 --> 01:36:36,657
That's correct. The same limit

1963
01:36:36,657 --> 01:36:38,791
applies for the entire property.

1964
01:36:38,791 --> 01:36:41,791
The entire premise. Okay, that

1965
01:36:42,610 --> 01:36:44,461
clarifies it. Thank you.

1966
01:36:45,666 --> 01:36:48,660
Commissioner Park. Just so

1967
01:36:48,668 --> 01:36:50,369
we're really, really clear, if

1968
01:36:50,369 --> 01:36:52,538
you're confused about this,

1969
01:36:52,538 --> 01:36:55,800
blame me because at the site

1970
01:36:55,800 --> 01:36:57,510
visit, I, I, you can blame me

1971
01:36:57,510 --> 01:37:00,790
anyway, but I, I asked MR.

1972
01:37:00,790 --> 01:37:02,214
Jones, where did the limit of

1973
01:37:02,214 --> 01:37:05,850
two in the arena which was

1974
01:37:05,850 --> 01:37:07,287
originally in this and ten

1975
01:37:07,287 --> 01:37:09,322
outdoors come from. And he

1976
01:37:09,322 --> 01:37:10,856
wasn't sure. And when I asked

1977
01:37:10,856 --> 01:37:13,250
MR. Connor the same thing, he

1978
01:37:13,250 --> 01:37:14,493
wasn't sure either. So we

1979
01:37:14,493 --> 01:37:16,893
thought, well, you know,

1980
01:37:16,963 --> 01:37:20,199
somehow it landed there and and

1981
01:37:20,199 --> 01:37:22,335
I suggested, let's take that

1982
01:37:22,335 --> 01:37:24,537
out and let's make it flexible.

1983
01:37:24,537 --> 01:37:26,937
For example, somebody might

1984
01:37:28,107 --> 01:37:31,100
schedule a big birthday party

1985
01:37:31,100 --> 01:37:33,410
outdoors in APRIL, but

1986
01:37:33,579 --> 01:37:35,281
sometimes we get rain in APRIL.

1987
01:37:35,281 --> 01:37:37,516
And so they MAY want to move it

1988
01:37:37,516 --> 01:37:39,318
into the arena. And so why

1989
01:37:39,318 --> 01:37:42,188
limit the arena to only twice a

1990
01:37:42,188 --> 01:37:43,990
year? Let it be for all 12, or

1991
01:37:43,990 --> 01:37:45,425
maybe none of the 12, but let

1992
01:37:45,425 --> 01:37:47,226
them have that flexibility. It

1993
01:37:47,226 --> 01:37:49,462
doesn't affect the neighbors.

1994
01:37:49,462 --> 01:37:51,163
It the a e o says nothing about

1995
01:37:51,163 --> 01:37:54,500
it. There's no reason for us to

1996
01:37:54,500 --> 01:37:56,669
stick it in there. So let me

1997
01:37:56,669 --> 01:37:58,237
move on to my question, and you

1998
01:37:58,237 --> 01:37:59,805
MAY have answered it when you

1999
01:37:59,805 --> 01:38:01,274
answered. MR. I mean, yeah, MR.

2000
01:38:01,274 --> 01:38:03,420
Martinez, question, but but I'm

2001
01:38:03,420 --> 01:38:07,242
not sure I heard it right. What

2002
01:38:08,147 --> 01:38:09,582
I want to know is. How many

2003
01:38:09,582 --> 01:38:11,684
events and how many people for

2004
01:38:11,684 --> 01:38:13,352
a small scale event would be

2005
01:38:13,352 --> 01:38:15,655
allowed if there was just a

2006
01:38:15,655 --> 01:38:17,456
zoning clearance. So whenever I

2007
01:38:17,456 --> 01:38:19,292
have a conditional use permit

2008
01:38:19,292 --> 01:38:20,726
matter, I want to compare what

2009
01:38:20,726 --> 01:38:21,961
we can allow with our

2010
01:38:21,961 --> 01:38:24,961
discretion with what you would

2011
01:38:26,832 --> 01:38:28,134
be allowed to do anyway.

2012
01:38:28,134 --> 01:38:29,136
Commissioner, Commissioner,

2013
01:38:29,136 --> 01:38:30,970
Park through the chair. That's

2014
01:38:30,970 --> 01:38:32,238
a good question. And I have the

2015
01:38:32,238 --> 01:38:34,707
regs in front of me because

2016
01:38:34,707 --> 01:38:37,610
it's hard to remember. So the

2017
01:38:37,610 --> 01:38:40,913
way that the eu reads is on a

2018
01:38:40,913 --> 01:38:42,715
premise of 40 acres to 320

2019
01:38:42,715 --> 01:38:45,185
acres, which is the category

2020
01:38:45,185 --> 01:38:47,353
that this premise is in, they

2021
01:38:47,353 --> 01:38:48,888
would not be able to exceed 50

2022
01:38:48,888 --> 01:38:49,889
attendees at a special event

2023
01:38:49,889 --> 01:38:51,657
with a zoning clearance. So

2024
01:38:51,657 --> 01:38:54,570
that's a ministerial permit

2025
01:38:54,961 --> 01:38:56,329
path. And that's why this minor

2026
01:38:56,329 --> 01:38:57,964
this project requires a minor

2027
01:38:57,964 --> 01:39:00,266
cup because they're requesting

2028
01:39:00,266 --> 01:39:02,134
more than 50 per event. So it's

2029
01:39:02,134 --> 01:39:05,500
50. And and that would be how

2030
01:39:05,500 --> 01:39:06,772
many events if under a cc that

2031
01:39:06,772 --> 01:39:08,941
would still be 12 events per

2032
01:39:08,941 --> 01:39:11,510
year. Okay. And four days for

2033
01:39:11,510 --> 01:39:13,213
event days per month. So, so

2034
01:39:13,213 --> 01:39:16,115
really when we look at this

2035
01:39:16,115 --> 01:39:19,385
overall, the that the only real

2036
01:39:19,385 --> 01:39:22,288
change is number of people at

2037
01:39:22,288 --> 01:39:23,990
these 12 events, right. And I

2038
01:39:23,990 --> 01:39:25,910
can also, since I have the

2039
01:39:25,910 --> 01:39:26,258
regulations in front of me, I

2040
01:39:26,258 --> 01:39:27,994
know that there were some

2041
01:39:27,994 --> 01:39:29,195
questions about the types of

2042
01:39:29,195 --> 01:39:30,529
events. So the eo also lists

2043
01:39:30,529 --> 01:39:32,698
farm to table dinners, cooking

2044
01:39:32,698 --> 01:39:34,698
classes, weddings, parties,

2045
01:39:34,901 --> 01:39:37,901
writing or yoga workshops, and

2046
01:39:39,205 --> 01:39:40,507
similar gatherings. And I

2047
01:39:40,507 --> 01:39:41,741
wanted to also clarify I love

2048
01:39:41,741 --> 01:39:44,211
that word. Similar how the

2049
01:39:44,211 --> 01:39:46,379
lawyers can just play an

2050
01:39:46,379 --> 01:39:47,113
accordion. They're good

2051
01:39:47,113 --> 01:39:49,248
questions. And this is the

2052
01:39:49,248 --> 01:39:51,351
first project before your

2053
01:39:51,351 --> 01:39:52,918
commission. So it's good that

2054
01:39:52,918 --> 01:39:53,986
we're that you're asking these

2055
01:39:53,986 --> 01:39:55,388
questions. I also wanted to

2056
01:39:55,388 --> 01:39:56,455
clarify that the eo doesn't

2057
01:39:56,455 --> 01:39:57,556
specifically have a parking

2058
01:39:57,556 --> 01:39:58,858
requirement for small scale

2059
01:39:58,858 --> 01:39:59,725
special events. The requirement

2060
01:39:59,725 --> 01:40:01,127
is that there's sufficient

2061
01:40:01,127 --> 01:40:04,127
parking on site, and the

2062
01:40:06,532 --> 01:40:08,000
project is proposing 69 spaces.

2063
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:09,835
Well, I have a follow up on

2064
01:40:09,835 --> 01:40:12,235
that. But realistically, they

2065
01:40:12,338 --> 01:40:14,307
could charge they could park 3

2066
01:40:14,307 --> 01:40:15,574
or 400 on the property. I mean,

2067
01:40:15,574 --> 01:40:18,440
it's if if not more, given the

2068
01:40:18,440 --> 01:40:19,879
size of it and the layout.

2069
01:40:19,879 --> 01:40:21,280
Correct. I think with the on

2070
01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:23,150
site roads that they have, they

2071
01:40:23,150 --> 01:40:24,517
do have quite a bit of parking

2072
01:40:24,517 --> 01:40:27,517
area. Yeah, not an issue.

2073
01:40:29,188 --> 01:40:31,588
Thanks. Okay. Commissioner Ford.

2074
01:40:32,124 --> 01:40:33,359
Oh, sorry. No problem. Any

2075
01:40:33,359 --> 01:40:35,759
other questions or comments

2076
01:40:39,999 --> 01:40:41,867
from the commissioners? Okay,

2077
01:40:41,867 --> 01:40:45,467
then we will go to the

2078
01:40:51,177 --> 01:40:52,980
applicant or or. Yes. Okay. MR.

2079
01:40:52,980 --> 01:40:54,880
Jones, could you please go

2080
01:40:54,880 --> 01:40:57,316
ahead and share with us? Good

2081
01:40:57,316 --> 01:40:59,452
morning. Again. I was remiss in

2082
01:40:59,452 --> 01:41:00,553
my first item in not thanking

2083
01:41:00,553 --> 01:41:02,689
staff. So I'd like to publicly

2084
01:41:02,689 --> 01:41:04,157
do that and thank Tatiana, Gwen

2085
01:41:04,157 --> 01:41:07,126
and Travis for their support of

2086
01:41:07,126 --> 01:41:09,562
that project. And same, I would

2087
01:41:09,562 --> 01:41:10,963
like to thank Steve and Gwen

2088
01:41:10,963 --> 01:41:13,466
and Travis for their support of

2089
01:41:13,466 --> 01:41:15,200
this project. I don't have a

2090
01:41:15,200 --> 01:41:17,103
presentation again here to

2091
01:41:17,103 --> 01:41:19,503
answer any questions. We

2092
01:41:19,605 --> 01:41:22,500
understand the conditions of

2093
01:41:22,142 --> 01:41:24,644
approval and look forward to

2094
01:41:24,644 --> 01:41:26,279
your comments and questions and

2095
01:41:26,279 --> 01:41:29,749
trying to answer those for you

2096
01:41:29,749 --> 01:41:31,884
this morning. Thank you.

2097
01:41:31,884 --> 01:41:34,284
Commissioner Park. Yes, MR.

2098
01:41:35,821 --> 01:41:39,250
Jones, I'd like to ask you

2099
01:41:39,250 --> 01:41:40,860
about other arenas of this size

2100
01:41:40,860 --> 01:41:42,328
in the Valley. I think I know

2101
01:41:42,328 --> 01:41:44,960
how many there are, but maybe

2102
01:41:44,960 --> 01:41:45,632
I'm off. But I think it's

2103
01:41:45,632 --> 01:41:48,670
important to illustrate to the

2104
01:41:48,670 --> 01:41:50,202
other commissioners that even

2105
01:41:50,202 --> 01:41:51,671
though this seems like a large

2106
01:41:51,671 --> 01:41:53,473
number of square footage, this

2107
01:41:53,473 --> 01:41:56,709
is what happens when you have

2108
01:41:56,709 --> 01:41:59,109
these covered arenas through

2109
01:41:59,211 --> 01:42:01,213
the chair. Commissioner Park,

2110
01:42:01,213 --> 01:42:03,549
I'm not a horse guy, but yes, I

2111
01:42:03,549 --> 01:42:06,152
have done three arenas in the

2112
01:42:06,152 --> 01:42:08,587
valley. All three have been at

2113
01:42:08,587 --> 01:42:10,423
the same size. This 45,000ft!S,

2114
01:42:10,423 --> 01:42:12,192
which which you know,

2115
01:42:12,192 --> 01:42:15,192
admittedly is large, is a 50

2116
01:42:15,761 --> 01:42:17,530
acre parcel. So I think that is

2117
01:42:17,530 --> 01:42:19,432
kind of standard practice for

2118
01:42:19,432 --> 01:42:21,168
horse operations to be able to

2119
01:42:21,168 --> 01:42:24,168
do the training required within

2120
01:42:26,606 --> 01:42:28,374
such a in side. So. Well, I

2121
01:42:28,374 --> 01:42:29,642
thought of several. And then

2122
01:42:29,642 --> 01:42:31,477
every once in a while I'll look

2123
01:42:31,477 --> 01:42:32,713
at Google Earth of the area.

2124
01:42:32,713 --> 01:42:33,869
And I'm always finding

2125
01:42:33,869 --> 01:42:35,581
something else that's hidden in

2126
01:42:35,581 --> 01:42:37,383
the trees or whatever else. So

2127
01:42:37,383 --> 01:42:39,585
it's, it's, it's the point is,

2128
01:42:39,585 --> 01:42:41,354
it's not an uncommon thing for

2129
01:42:41,354 --> 01:42:43,489
this or this kind of thing.

2130
01:42:43,489 --> 01:42:44,658
It's this, these arenas are two

2131
01:42:44,658 --> 01:42:46,159
dimensions that are useful in

2132
01:42:46,159 --> 01:42:48,594
the horse world for dressage

2133
01:42:48,594 --> 01:42:51,640
and other things. And they're

2134
01:42:51,640 --> 01:42:53,199
not as big as polo fields, but

2135
01:42:53,199 --> 01:42:56,680
it's sort of a standard size if

2136
01:42:56,680 --> 01:42:59,668
you're going to cover an arena.

2137
01:43:02,541 --> 01:43:04,941
Thanks. Any questions? No

2138
01:43:06,178 --> 01:43:07,613
questions. Thank you, thank you.

2139
01:43:07,613 --> 01:43:11,213
At this point, we'd like to

2140
01:43:13,386 --> 01:43:14,820
open it up to public comment.

2141
01:43:14,820 --> 01:43:18,420
Anybody in the room? Care to

2142
01:43:18,424 --> 01:43:20,824
share? MR. Villalobos? Any

2143
01:43:20,927 --> 01:43:23,796
online? No. Hands raised online.

2144
01:43:23,796 --> 01:43:27,396
Okay, then I'm going to close

2145
01:43:29,568 --> 01:43:31,568
public comment session.

2146
01:43:31,704 --> 01:43:34,104
Deliberation. We'll go to

2147
01:43:38,611 --> 01:43:39,779
deliberation. Commissioner Park,

2148
01:43:39,779 --> 01:43:40,880
you know, of course I want to

2149
01:43:40,880 --> 01:43:42,480
hear from the other

2150
01:43:42,480 --> 01:43:43,749
commissioners, but I'm prepared

2151
01:43:43,749 --> 01:43:47,349
to make a motion to approve

2152
01:43:51,524 --> 01:43:52,959
this. Big picture. If we

2153
01:43:52,959 --> 01:43:55,959
designed the project in a

2154
01:43:56,896 --> 01:43:58,970
property to fit what the o is

2155
01:43:58,970 --> 01:44:00,534
all about, it'd be hard to come

2156
01:44:00,534 --> 01:44:04,136
up with a better one than this.

2157
01:44:04,136 --> 01:44:06,536
Okay, it's properties well

2158
01:44:06,606 --> 01:44:08,841
served by a large driveway, but

2159
01:44:08,841 --> 01:44:10,309
it's it's entirely an interior

2160
01:44:10,309 --> 01:44:12,709
parcel. It's not really

2161
01:44:12,812 --> 01:44:14,213
fronting any roads. Hardly

2162
01:44:14,213 --> 01:44:16,613
anyone would ever notice

2163
01:44:17,817 --> 01:44:20,217
anything happening here. That

2164
01:44:20,320 --> 01:44:23,920
arena will absorb far more than

2165
01:44:24,991 --> 01:44:27,391
150 people. And there's just

2166
01:44:28,694 --> 01:44:31,130
really no reason to to deny

2167
01:44:31,130 --> 01:44:33,530
this project. It's well

2168
01:44:33,633 --> 01:44:35,468
designed. It's very modest in

2169
01:44:35,468 --> 01:44:39,680
terms of what their ask is

2170
01:44:39,710 --> 01:44:42,675
under the q p, so I'm ready to

2171
01:44:42,675 --> 01:44:45,878
support it and make the motion.

2172
01:44:45,878 --> 01:44:48,470
Commissioner Ford, thanks. I'm

2173
01:44:48,470 --> 01:44:49,882
so glad to know about

2174
01:44:49,882 --> 01:44:52,282
Commissioner Park's support. I

2175
01:44:52,752 --> 01:44:54,153
know nothing about equestrian

2176
01:44:54,153 --> 01:44:56,722
arenas. Well, I knew nothing

2177
01:44:56,722 --> 01:44:58,157
until I read this really

2178
01:44:58,157 --> 01:45:00,294
comprehensive report. And I

2179
01:45:00,294 --> 01:45:02,128
just want to say thank you

2180
01:45:02,128 --> 01:45:03,529
because it I think you

2181
01:45:03,529 --> 01:45:05,529
addressed every particular

2182
01:45:05,731 --> 01:45:08,234
question that was asked, and I

2183
01:45:08,234 --> 01:45:10,404
learned a lot. So between

2184
01:45:10,404 --> 01:45:11,894
Commissioner Park and this

2185
01:45:11,894 --> 01:45:14,294
presentation, I can certainly

2186
01:45:15,474 --> 01:45:17,474
support this. Okay.

2187
01:45:17,977 --> 01:45:19,780
Commissioner Mayor Connor and I

2188
01:45:19,780 --> 01:45:21,480
concur with my colleagues who

2189
01:45:21,480 --> 01:45:23,950
have just spoken. The staff

2190
01:45:23,950 --> 01:45:26,218
report was very comprehensive

2191
01:45:26,218 --> 01:45:28,355
and helpful. The site visit, I

2192
01:45:28,355 --> 01:45:30,924
thought was terrific. It gives

2193
01:45:30,924 --> 01:45:33,920
you a sense of the scale of the

2194
01:45:33,920 --> 01:45:35,594
property and its location. As

2195
01:45:35,594 --> 01:45:37,994
Commissioner Park pointed out.

2196
01:45:39,565 --> 01:45:41,734
And this to me is an easy yes.

2197
01:45:41,734 --> 01:45:43,169
Okay. Commissioner Martinez,

2198
01:45:43,169 --> 01:45:44,369
yes, I would I would completely

2199
01:45:44,369 --> 01:45:46,305
agree with my fellow

2200
01:45:46,305 --> 01:45:48,305
commissioners and especially

2201
01:45:49,909 --> 01:45:51,377
just reminiscing as to how this

2202
01:45:51,377 --> 01:45:52,745
came to be. This is the kind of

2203
01:45:52,745 --> 01:45:54,313
project that was envisioned

2204
01:45:54,313 --> 01:45:58,513
from, at least from the get go

2205
01:45:58,918 --> 01:46:00,248
for me. Whole new industry out

2206
01:46:00,248 --> 01:46:01,854
there could be a whole new

2207
01:46:01,854 --> 01:46:04,690
industry. And you see it out in

2208
01:46:04,690 --> 01:46:05,891
Arroyo Grande and so forth. And

2209
01:46:05,891 --> 01:46:07,242
this is what we're asking for,

2210
01:46:07,242 --> 01:46:08,828
and this is what's being

2211
01:46:08,828 --> 01:46:11,797
delivered. So I'd be in support

2212
01:46:11,797 --> 01:46:14,333
of it. Okay. And my comment

2213
01:46:14,333 --> 01:46:15,769
would be that this, after

2214
01:46:15,769 --> 01:46:18,769
reading the report and then

2215
01:46:19,805 --> 01:46:21,607
doing the site, visit the site

2216
01:46:21,607 --> 01:46:24,176
is a perfect location for this

2217
01:46:24,176 --> 01:46:26,246
type of arena. It makes sense

2218
01:46:26,246 --> 01:46:27,714
when you look at all of the

2219
01:46:27,714 --> 01:46:29,950
structures around it, and you

2220
01:46:29,950 --> 01:46:31,651
look at the, the property lines

2221
01:46:31,651 --> 01:46:33,520
and the easements around it, it

2222
01:46:33,520 --> 01:46:34,787
totally makes sense. So this is

2223
01:46:34,787 --> 01:46:36,220
also a project very easy for me

2224
01:46:36,220 --> 01:46:39,622
to support. So at this point

2225
01:46:40,993 --> 01:46:42,828
I'm going to ask for a motion.

2226
01:46:42,828 --> 01:46:44,463
Commissioner Park. Yes, I'm

2227
01:46:44,463 --> 01:46:46,400
going to move that we approve

2228
01:46:46,400 --> 01:46:47,867
the matter and take the

2229
01:46:47,867 --> 01:46:49,702
recommended actions that are on

2230
01:46:49,702 --> 01:46:51,437
slide 14 of the presentation

2231
01:46:51,437 --> 01:46:52,471
and are also in the staff

2232
01:46:52,471 --> 01:46:53,706
report. And that includes

2233
01:46:53,706 --> 01:46:55,408
making the required findings

2234
01:46:55,408 --> 01:46:57,910
for approval of the project,

2235
01:46:57,910 --> 01:47:00,310
adopting the mitigated negative

2236
01:47:01,180 --> 01:47:03,580
declaration, and approving the

2237
01:47:04,160 --> 01:47:06,416
project, including the minor

2238
01:47:06,586 --> 01:47:09,889
change that was made today to

2239
01:47:09,889 --> 01:47:10,923
the project description. Thank

2240
01:47:10,923 --> 01:47:12,658
you, Commissioner Park,

2241
01:47:12,658 --> 01:47:15,580
Commissioner Ford, thank you.

2242
01:47:17,697 --> 01:47:21,297
Second, all in favor? Aye, aye.

2243
01:47:26,373 --> 01:47:28,574
None opposed. Motion carries.

2244
01:47:28,574 --> 01:47:30,700
Now musical chairs again. So

2245
01:47:30,700 --> 01:47:31,811
we're going to just take a

2246
01:47:31,811 --> 01:47:33,341
moment here for us to get

2247
01:47:33,341 --> 01:47:36,941
regrouped for the next item on

2248
01:47:39,352 --> 01:47:42,952
the agenda. This is this is

2249
01:47:43,723 --> 01:47:45,491
going off faster than I thought.

2250
01:47:45,491 --> 01:47:48,491
I wasn't expecting three. Easy

2251
01:47:48,661 --> 01:47:51,297
one. Oh yeah. Exactly. This is

2252
01:47:51,297 --> 01:47:54,434
the one that's going to I'm

2253
01:47:54,434 --> 01:47:57,434
actually I haven't been privy.

2254
01:48:02,800 --> 01:48:04,408
It gives everybody opportunity.

2255
01:48:05,678 --> 01:48:09,548
I think. Yes sir. Okay. We have

2256
01:48:09,548 --> 01:48:10,906
a couple of letters we have to

2257
01:48:10,906 --> 01:48:13,719
bring up in the record because

2258
01:48:13,719 --> 01:48:15,755
they were. Yes. So if we could

2259
01:48:15,755 --> 01:48:18,491
just address that before we go

2260
01:48:18,491 --> 01:48:20,393
to. Any time between the

2261
01:48:20,393 --> 01:48:23,993
beginning of the war, before we

2262
01:48:24,597 --> 01:48:26,533
go right now, and should we do

2263
01:48:26,533 --> 01:48:28,467
it at the beginning of the item?

2264
01:48:28,467 --> 01:48:29,774
We can't if you want. It helps

2265
01:48:29,774 --> 01:48:31,371
me to understand because they

2266
01:48:31,371 --> 01:48:33,706
came in like three large groups

2267
01:48:33,706 --> 01:48:35,975
from you. Yeah. And the third

2268
01:48:35,975 --> 01:48:37,344
one, it was like, yeah. So and

2269
01:48:37,344 --> 01:48:41,347
there was a long one. And the

2270
01:48:41,347 --> 01:48:44,347
third one. Yeah. Okay. Okay,

2271
01:48:45,685 --> 01:48:49,285
one of them, but I understand

2272
01:48:51,691 --> 01:48:55,291
it's your area. Oh, we didn't

2273
01:48:57,797 --> 01:48:58,965
have 20, but I agree. MR.

2274
01:48:58,965 --> 01:49:01,965
Villalobos, I'm going to ask

2275
01:49:03,235 --> 01:49:06,720
that before we ask the staff to

2276
01:49:06,720 --> 01:49:08,307
prepare their presentation. If

2277
01:49:08,307 --> 01:49:10,343
you could read it, share with

2278
01:49:10,343 --> 01:49:13,713
us about letters that have come

2279
01:49:13,713 --> 01:49:15,449
in past the our time. I'm happy.

2280
01:49:15,449 --> 01:49:16,617
Yeah. Oh thank you. Call the

2281
01:49:16,617 --> 01:49:18,551
thank you. Yes, I'm happy to.

2282
01:49:18,551 --> 01:49:19,685
Let me just read the item into

2283
01:49:19,685 --> 01:49:21,787
the record first. Thank you.

2284
01:49:21,787 --> 01:49:24,490
Okay, great. Thank you. There's

2285
01:49:24,490 --> 01:49:25,524
another one again. The

2286
01:49:25,524 --> 01:49:27,593
following is a hearing on the

2287
01:49:27,593 --> 01:49:30,529
request of apc towers applicant

2288
01:49:30,529 --> 01:49:32,365
to consider case number 25cp23

2289
01:49:32,365 --> 01:49:33,466
and to determine the project is

2290
01:49:33,466 --> 01:49:34,600
exempt from sequel pursuant to

2291
01:49:34,600 --> 01:49:36,600
state secret guidelines,

2292
01:49:40,306 --> 01:49:42,706
section one five, 303 and 15304.

2293
01:49:44,944 --> 01:49:47,146
And to address your request. So

2294
01:49:47,146 --> 01:49:49,282
the deadline for submittal of

2295
01:49:49,282 --> 01:49:50,536
comment letters for the

2296
01:49:50,536 --> 01:49:52,585
Commission. Today's hearing was

2297
01:49:52,585 --> 01:49:54,654
Monday at noon for items longer

2298
01:49:54,654 --> 01:49:57,957
or longer than a page in length.

2299
01:49:57,957 --> 01:50:00,920
And we do have two items that

2300
01:50:00,920 --> 01:50:01,227
came in a little bit late. So

2301
01:50:01,227 --> 01:50:02,862
the Planning Commission can

2302
01:50:02,862 --> 01:50:05,131
vote to include those into the

2303
01:50:05,131 --> 01:50:07,401
record, but it requires a 4/5

2304
01:50:07,401 --> 01:50:11,100
vote. I'll just read the who

2305
01:50:11,304 --> 01:50:12,672
they're from. So and I

2306
01:50:12,672 --> 01:50:14,941
apologize in advance if I

2307
01:50:14,941 --> 01:50:17,341
mispronounce anyone's name. So

2308
01:50:19,946 --> 01:50:22,810
the first is an email from Pam

2309
01:50:22,810 --> 01:50:25,284
Kadlubek, and it was an email

2310
01:50:25,284 --> 01:50:28,884
followed by a series of photos.

2311
01:50:29,890 --> 01:50:30,389
And the second. And so that was

2312
01:50:30,389 --> 01:50:32,124
dated Monday at 4:17 P.M. And

2313
01:50:32,124 --> 01:50:34,695
there was one that came in, I

2314
01:50:34,695 --> 01:50:36,128
think was emailed overnight on

2315
01:50:36,128 --> 01:50:39,665
Monday. So it was received on

2316
01:50:39,665 --> 01:50:42,650
Tuesday. Long letter, seven

2317
01:50:42,935 --> 01:50:45,935
pages from Samantha Flynn. And

2318
01:50:46,172 --> 01:50:47,694
this one. So the one that was

2319
01:50:47,694 --> 01:50:49,342
on the dais this morning is

2320
01:50:49,342 --> 01:50:51,243
less is a page in length. So it

2321
01:50:51,243 --> 01:50:54,843
does not meet. It's not trigger

2322
01:50:55,147 --> 01:50:58,747
that requirement I gotcha. So I

2323
01:50:58,784 --> 01:51:00,419
think what for for these to be

2324
01:51:00,419 --> 01:51:02,540
included we would need a motion

2325
01:51:02,540 --> 01:51:03,434
to include them a second. And

2326
01:51:03,434 --> 01:51:05,257
then for the five commissioners

2327
01:51:05,257 --> 01:51:06,692
to vote yes. Okay. I'm going to

2328
01:51:06,692 --> 01:51:08,127
look to Commissioner Park to

2329
01:51:08,127 --> 01:51:11,727
begin us here. Since it's in

2330
01:51:12,399 --> 01:51:13,567
his district. I'm going to go

2331
01:51:13,567 --> 01:51:16,769
out of character here because I

2332
01:51:16,769 --> 01:51:18,938
always oppose these requests,

2333
01:51:18,938 --> 01:51:20,740
but because they irritate me,

2334
01:51:20,740 --> 01:51:22,410
because I don't like reading

2335
01:51:22,410 --> 01:51:25,410
something that's long at the

2336
01:51:25,378 --> 01:51:28,978
very last minute. On the other

2337
01:51:29,480 --> 01:51:30,883
hand, I've looked at these and

2338
01:51:30,883 --> 01:51:32,752
I think we should put them in

2339
01:51:32,752 --> 01:51:35,870
the record. I'll tell you why,

2340
01:51:35,870 --> 01:51:39,492
and I will move to do that one.

2341
01:51:39,492 --> 01:51:40,526
The first one from Pam, you

2342
01:51:40,526 --> 01:51:43,526
mispronounce the name so I

2343
01:51:44,830 --> 01:51:47,733
won't. It's it's short. It just

2344
01:51:47,733 --> 01:51:49,502
has some photos. And the photos

2345
01:51:49,502 --> 01:51:50,703
are are helpful to us. They are

2346
01:51:50,703 --> 01:51:53,472
photos that we don't have that

2347
01:51:53,472 --> 01:51:57,720
kind of a photo. The second

2348
01:51:57,810 --> 01:52:00,810
letter from Samantha Flynn is

2349
01:52:01,348 --> 01:52:03,583
long, but it's it's very well

2350
01:52:03,583 --> 01:52:06,519
written. And what I appreciate

2351
01:52:06,519 --> 01:52:09,288
about it is it's not just a

2352
01:52:09,288 --> 01:52:11,490
kind of a repetitious litany of

2353
01:52:11,490 --> 01:52:12,960
complaints. It's, it's actually

2354
01:52:12,960 --> 01:52:14,188
very constructive letter

2355
01:52:14,188 --> 01:52:16,950
because it says, okay, here's

2356
01:52:16,950 --> 01:52:17,596
what I recommend you do. And

2357
01:52:17,596 --> 01:52:19,465
this is what you should do to

2358
01:52:19,465 --> 01:52:21,567
properly investigate this. And

2359
01:52:21,567 --> 01:52:23,360
I think that that's

2360
01:52:23,360 --> 01:52:24,236
instructional for planning

2361
01:52:24,236 --> 01:52:25,605
commission. You MAY not agree

2362
01:52:25,605 --> 01:52:26,839
with it, but it's, it's

2363
01:52:26,839 --> 01:52:28,741
worthwhile having it there. And

2364
01:52:28,741 --> 01:52:31,741
I think it's appropriate that

2365
01:52:32,445 --> 01:52:34,480
it be in the record. So I would

2366
01:52:34,480 --> 01:52:37,416
move to admit both of those

2367
01:52:37,416 --> 01:52:39,816
into the record. Commissioner

2368
01:52:41,870 --> 01:52:44,870
Ford, I'll second that. Okay.

2369
01:52:47,930 --> 01:52:48,561
All in favor? I didn't ask for

2370
01:52:48,561 --> 01:52:50,561
deliberation. So Commissioner

2371
01:52:52,933 --> 01:52:54,700
o'Connor. So I tend to agree

2372
01:52:54,700 --> 01:52:57,700
with my colleagues on this

2373
01:52:58,370 --> 01:52:59,939
issue with one caveat. And that

2374
01:52:59,939 --> 01:53:01,908
is I would ask the question as

2375
01:53:01,908 --> 01:53:04,377
to whether or not the late

2376
01:53:04,377 --> 01:53:07,680
arrival of the letter made it

2377
01:53:07,680 --> 01:53:09,448
difficult or impossible for the

2378
01:53:09,448 --> 01:53:12,448
applicant or the staff to

2379
01:53:12,719 --> 01:53:14,487
respond to the letter at this

2380
01:53:14,487 --> 01:53:17,757
hearing. If the receipt of the

2381
01:53:17,757 --> 01:53:18,924
late letter causes either the

2382
01:53:18,924 --> 01:53:20,826
applicant or the staff to ask

2383
01:53:20,826 --> 01:53:22,620
for more time to be able to

2384
01:53:22,620 --> 01:53:24,563
deal with the issues raised in

2385
01:53:24,563 --> 01:53:27,563
the letter, then that lateness

2386
01:53:28,200 --> 01:53:29,936
has had a practical effect. And

2387
01:53:29,936 --> 01:53:31,405
so I would ask, before we vote

2388
01:53:31,405 --> 01:53:33,205
on whether to accept these

2389
01:53:33,205 --> 01:53:34,974
letters or not, that we hear

2390
01:53:34,974 --> 01:53:37,374
the staff recommendation, ask

2391
01:53:37,610 --> 01:53:39,630
the staff the question, not

2392
01:53:39,630 --> 01:53:41,180
just the staff recommendation,

2393
01:53:41,180 --> 01:53:43,316
but the staff report, and we

2394
01:53:43,316 --> 01:53:46,552
hear from the applicant as well

2395
01:53:46,552 --> 01:53:48,688
and ask the question, has this

2396
01:53:48,688 --> 01:53:50,857
letter, which I agree is, is is

2397
01:53:50,857 --> 01:53:53,257
long, comprehensive and and

2398
01:53:53,693 --> 01:53:56,996
well written? Does it cause you

2399
01:53:56,996 --> 01:53:58,798
to need more time to respond to

2400
01:53:58,798 --> 01:54:00,199
the letter? Let's ask that

2401
01:54:00,199 --> 01:54:02,100
question before we decide

2402
01:54:02,100 --> 01:54:04,503
whether or not to accept it. I

2403
01:54:04,503 --> 01:54:07,503
know that's a little cumbersome,

2404
01:54:08,107 --> 01:54:10,343
but I think the process that we

2405
01:54:10,343 --> 01:54:13,179
follow in deliberating on these

2406
01:54:13,179 --> 01:54:15,579
matters has consequences. And

2407
01:54:15,681 --> 01:54:17,183
we should, if we can make

2408
01:54:17,183 --> 01:54:19,285
decisions when we're called on

2409
01:54:19,285 --> 01:54:21,880
to make decisions and the

2410
01:54:21,880 --> 01:54:23,189
information is before us. And

2411
01:54:23,189 --> 01:54:24,357
let's let's see if we can do

2412
01:54:24,357 --> 01:54:26,125
that. So that's that's my

2413
01:54:26,125 --> 01:54:28,661
personal preference is to hold

2414
01:54:28,661 --> 01:54:32,261
off on voting on this motion

2415
01:54:32,932 --> 01:54:35,501
until after we've had the staff

2416
01:54:35,501 --> 01:54:37,403
and the staff report and the

2417
01:54:37,403 --> 01:54:38,796
applicant's presentation. Okay.

2418
01:54:38,796 --> 01:54:39,839
Thank you, Commissioner. Mayor

2419
01:54:39,839 --> 01:54:42,308
Connor, I'm going to ask

2420
01:54:42,308 --> 01:54:44,708
Commissioner Ford. I disagree

2421
01:54:44,944 --> 01:54:47,747
because I think once you you

2422
01:54:47,747 --> 01:54:50,283
know, you're asking for staff

2423
01:54:50,283 --> 01:54:52,850
response to it and input, then

2424
01:54:52,850 --> 01:54:53,519
you've accepted it. And so I

2425
01:54:53,519 --> 01:54:55,455
think it's still a matter of

2426
01:54:55,455 --> 01:54:57,290
whether this commission accepts

2427
01:54:57,290 --> 01:54:59,292
those two letters. I'm actually

2428
01:54:59,292 --> 01:55:01,795
not suggesting. Oh, MAY I

2429
01:55:01,795 --> 01:55:03,195
respond? Yes you MAY. I'm not

2430
01:55:03,195 --> 01:55:04,997
suggesting that the staff

2431
01:55:04,997 --> 01:55:07,934
respond to the letter. I'm just

2432
01:55:07,934 --> 01:55:09,769
asking whether the staff needs

2433
01:55:09,769 --> 01:55:11,671
additional time to respond to

2434
01:55:11,671 --> 01:55:13,172
the letter. That's the question

2435
01:55:13,172 --> 01:55:15,508
I would like to ask both the

2436
01:55:15,508 --> 01:55:17,576
staff and the applicant to see

2437
01:55:17,576 --> 01:55:20,514
if we're going to be ready to

2438
01:55:20,514 --> 01:55:22,281
move ahead with the decision

2439
01:55:22,281 --> 01:55:23,616
today. Well, it could be

2440
01:55:23,616 --> 01:55:25,394
semantics, but I think that

2441
01:55:25,394 --> 01:55:28,394
once you involve the staff,

2442
01:55:28,754 --> 01:55:31,754
we've accepted it. But I'll

2443
01:55:32,590 --> 01:55:35,659
leave that up to other people.

2444
01:55:38,564 --> 01:55:40,566
Yeah, I've seconded the motion.

2445
01:55:40,566 --> 01:55:41,995
I believe we need to go to a

2446
01:55:41,995 --> 01:55:43,235
roll call vote. I would say

2447
01:55:43,235 --> 01:55:44,869
this I completely agree with

2448
01:55:44,869 --> 01:55:46,515
the commissioner here in

2449
01:55:46,515 --> 01:55:48,207
regards to just the process

2450
01:55:48,207 --> 01:55:49,643
that we're here. If I'm the

2451
01:55:49,643 --> 01:55:51,212
applicant and we're considering

2452
01:55:51,212 --> 01:55:52,912
something that I have not had

2453
01:55:52,912 --> 01:55:55,140
the time to consider and be

2454
01:55:55,140 --> 01:55:58,614
prepared to address it, I think

2455
01:55:58,619 --> 01:56:00,454
out of ultimate fairness and

2456
01:56:00,454 --> 01:56:02,254
consideration to the applicant,

2457
01:56:02,254 --> 01:56:03,536
and that they should have the

2458
01:56:03,536 --> 01:56:05,291
opportunity to say, well, I've

2459
01:56:05,291 --> 01:56:06,944
read it. I've never I didn't

2460
01:56:06,944 --> 01:56:09,990
see it before today. I don't

2461
01:56:09,990 --> 01:56:10,802
even know if they even have it,

2462
01:56:10,802 --> 01:56:12,620
to tell you the truth. So if

2463
01:56:12,620 --> 01:56:14,600
that's going to be part of

2464
01:56:14,600 --> 01:56:16,173
their thing, where they're

2465
01:56:16,173 --> 01:56:18,535
going to be held to answer to

2466
01:56:18,535 --> 01:56:20,559
it, where we're considering it

2467
01:56:20,559 --> 01:56:22,548
and asking them questions,

2468
01:56:22,548 --> 01:56:24,305
maybe based upon this letter,

2469
01:56:24,305 --> 01:56:26,670
these photos, I think they

2470
01:56:26,670 --> 01:56:28,256
should be provided that

2471
01:56:28,256 --> 01:56:30,180
opportunity to review it and

2472
01:56:30,180 --> 01:56:32,416
provide it to us, because I

2473
01:56:32,416 --> 01:56:34,174
wouldn't want to show up to

2474
01:56:34,174 --> 01:56:35,703
anything. Well, it's like

2475
01:56:35,703 --> 01:56:37,437
showing up to a it's like

2476
01:56:37,437 --> 01:56:39,334
showing up to a trial and, and

2477
01:56:39,334 --> 01:56:41,140
not knowing what the witness is

2478
01:56:41,140 --> 01:56:42,557
going to say in response.

2479
01:56:42,557 --> 01:56:44,298
That's why we take depositions

2480
01:56:44,298 --> 01:56:45,951
before. So that's my only

2481
01:56:45,951 --> 01:56:47,665
analogous to it. I understand

2482
01:56:47,665 --> 01:56:49,467
the the request for it. I don't

2483
01:56:49,467 --> 01:56:50,823
necessarily dispute it, but I

2484
01:56:50,823 --> 01:56:52,580
think we should hear from the

2485
01:56:52,580 --> 01:56:53,973
applicant and from staff of

2486
01:56:53,973 --> 01:56:55,105
whether it's something that is

2487
01:56:55,105 --> 01:56:56,533
going to be considered and even

2488
01:56:56,533 --> 01:56:57,677
addressed in this matter. I

2489
01:56:57,677 --> 01:56:59,513
have a question. I'm wondering

2490
01:56:59,513 --> 01:57:02,810
if a precedent has been set in

2491
01:57:02,810 --> 01:57:04,183
the past as far as how we deal

2492
01:57:04,183 --> 01:57:06,752
with these letters that come in

2493
01:57:06,752 --> 01:57:08,421
afterward, because if we open

2494
01:57:08,421 --> 01:57:10,656
this up to staff and the

2495
01:57:10,656 --> 01:57:12,792
rebuttal and so forth, are we

2496
01:57:12,792 --> 01:57:15,428
setting a new protocol where we

2497
01:57:15,428 --> 01:57:18,198
might already have a protocol

2498
01:57:18,198 --> 01:57:22,134
in place? MAY I speak to that?

2499
01:57:22,134 --> 01:57:23,636
Yes, please. Commissioner Park.

2500
01:57:23,636 --> 01:57:25,705
I think it's totally

2501
01:57:25,705 --> 01:57:27,940
appropriate to ask the question

2502
01:57:27,940 --> 01:57:30,911
that MR. Amerikaner and MR.

2503
01:57:30,911 --> 01:57:33,111
Martinez are asking. I asked

2504
01:57:33,111 --> 01:57:35,259
the same question when I read

2505
01:57:35,259 --> 01:57:37,295
this letter yesterday. So

2506
01:57:37,295 --> 01:57:39,698
everybody's had a chance to see

2507
01:57:39,698 --> 01:57:41,414
it, but I, I because I normally

2508
01:57:41,414 --> 01:57:43,849
don't support this kind of

2509
01:57:43,849 --> 01:57:46,270
thing, but I made the decision

2510
01:57:46,270 --> 01:57:48,460
to support it. And the question

2511
01:57:48,460 --> 01:57:50,352
I asked was, and it's one that

2512
01:57:50,352 --> 01:57:51,934
we see as lawyers all the time,

2513
01:57:51,934 --> 01:57:53,199
is there a surprise with a

2514
01:57:53,199 --> 01:57:55,230
massive amount of new

2515
01:57:55,230 --> 01:57:57,630
information that can't be

2516
01:57:58,171 --> 01:57:59,605
digested? Okay. Oddly, that

2517
01:57:59,605 --> 01:58:01,674
often comes up when the

2518
01:58:01,674 --> 01:58:03,393
applicant generally brings in a

2519
01:58:03,393 --> 01:58:05,224
lot of new information and

2520
01:58:05,224 --> 01:58:07,227
somebody who's challenging it

2521
01:58:07,227 --> 01:58:09,495
says, well, wait, I've had no

2522
01:58:09,495 --> 01:58:11,393
opportunity to see this, and

2523
01:58:11,393 --> 01:58:13,269
sometimes I'll ask for a

2524
01:58:13,269 --> 01:58:15,533
continuance. But as a practical

2525
01:58:15,533 --> 01:58:17,564
matter, I kind of internalize

2526
01:58:17,564 --> 01:58:19,713
the question that they're

2527
01:58:19,713 --> 01:58:22,213
asking, but that it's still an

2528
01:58:22,213 --> 01:58:23,944
appropriate question. And if

2529
01:58:23,944 --> 01:58:25,821
they'd like to hear an answer

2530
01:58:25,821 --> 01:58:27,444
to it, I think we should,

2531
01:58:27,444 --> 01:58:29,900
especially since as a practical

2532
01:58:29,900 --> 01:58:30,785
matter, this takes four votes

2533
01:58:30,785 --> 01:58:32,240
to pass. So if either of the

2534
01:58:32,240 --> 01:58:34,528
other two commissioners that

2535
01:58:34,528 --> 01:58:36,251
have brought this up decides I

2536
01:58:36,251 --> 01:58:38,410
haven't been satisfied, the

2537
01:58:38,410 --> 01:58:39,105
motion is going to fail anyway.

2538
01:58:39,105 --> 01:58:41,380
So I think it won't take very

2539
01:58:41,380 --> 01:58:43,182
much effort to answer the

2540
01:58:43,182 --> 01:58:45,582
questions that MR. Amerikaner

2541
01:58:45,718 --> 01:58:47,967
has, whether it fits, protocols

2542
01:58:47,967 --> 01:58:49,766
or not. It's we're kind of

2543
01:58:49,766 --> 01:58:52,591
loose here. We do what? What

2544
01:58:52,591 --> 01:58:54,730
works. Okay. That helps. Let me

2545
01:58:54,730 --> 01:58:55,828
ask the other commissioners.

2546
01:58:55,828 --> 01:58:57,564
Are there any objections other

2547
01:58:57,564 --> 01:59:00,564
than what Commissioner Ford has

2548
01:59:03,102 --> 01:59:05,502
already stated? I'm sorry,

2549
01:59:05,605 --> 01:59:07,674
what's the question? Are there

2550
01:59:07,674 --> 01:59:10,509
any other objections to asking

2551
01:59:10,509 --> 01:59:14,109
your question of staff? Got it.

2552
01:59:14,847 --> 01:59:16,816
Now I understand. Okay. I am

2553
01:59:16,816 --> 01:59:20,286
going to go with the majority

2554
01:59:20,286 --> 01:59:21,420
in this case and ask

2555
01:59:21,420 --> 01:59:23,155
Commissioner Amerikaner, if you

2556
01:59:23,155 --> 01:59:25,658
don't mind me asking your

2557
01:59:25,658 --> 01:59:27,960
question to the staff Chair and

2558
01:59:27,960 --> 01:59:28,757
Commissioners, if I can just

2559
01:59:28,757 --> 01:59:30,764
interrupt. Yes, please. So I

2560
01:59:30,764 --> 01:59:32,915
have received information from

2561
01:59:32,915 --> 01:59:34,692
both the applicant and staff.

2562
01:59:34,692 --> 01:59:37,920
They haven't reviewed the

2563
01:59:37,335 --> 01:59:39,215
letter. They haven't reviewed

2564
01:59:39,215 --> 01:59:41,150
the letter. Okay. Well, in that

2565
01:59:41,150 --> 01:59:42,711
case, I think we can very

2566
01:59:42,711 --> 01:59:44,889
easily do a roll call vote. And

2567
01:59:44,889 --> 01:59:46,371
I think we know where this is

2568
01:59:46,371 --> 01:59:47,574
going to go. MAY I make a

2569
01:59:47,574 --> 01:59:49,575
suggestion, chair? Yes, please.

2570
01:59:49,575 --> 01:59:50,933
I think the question is, is

2571
01:59:50,933 --> 01:59:52,251
whether even if they how do I

2572
01:59:52,251 --> 01:59:53,719
put this? Are we are we to

2573
01:59:53,719 --> 01:59:54,962
allow them the opportunity to

2574
01:59:54,962 --> 01:59:57,324
review it and say, hey, I need

2575
01:59:57,324 --> 01:59:59,859
some time to review this thing?

2576
01:59:59,859 --> 02:00:01,360
And then it does have an impact

2577
02:00:01,360 --> 02:00:03,620
because then in a way, we are

2578
02:00:03,620 --> 02:00:04,930
kind of putting the cart before

2579
02:00:04,930 --> 02:00:06,509
the horse, in a sense, is what

2580
02:00:06,509 --> 02:00:08,467
it's coming down to. So if we

2581
02:00:08,467 --> 02:00:10,603
accept the letter, then are we

2582
02:00:10,603 --> 02:00:13,172
saying let's accept, if we

2583
02:00:13,172 --> 02:00:14,974
accept the motion, then the

2584
02:00:14,974 --> 02:00:16,953
letter goes in front of the

2585
02:00:16,953 --> 02:00:18,235
staff and the applicant, and

2586
02:00:18,235 --> 02:00:19,881
then they have the opportunity

2587
02:00:19,881 --> 02:00:21,414
to say, we need more time to

2588
02:00:21,414 --> 02:00:22,716
address it. We need to come

2589
02:00:22,716 --> 02:00:24,550
back and address the questions

2590
02:00:24,550 --> 02:00:26,552
within it. Are we doing it that

2591
02:00:26,552 --> 02:00:28,317
way or are we doing it the way

2592
02:00:28,317 --> 02:00:29,580
we're we're going to have them

2593
02:00:29,580 --> 02:00:31,991
look at this, which is really

2594
02:00:31,991 --> 02:00:34,600
considering it. MR. Chair, it's

2595
02:00:34,600 --> 02:00:36,689
my motion. I'd like to table

2596
02:00:36,689 --> 02:00:38,587
the motion to accept the letter

2597
02:00:38,587 --> 02:00:40,722
until we have proceeded with

2598
02:00:40,722 --> 02:00:42,443
the hearing, because it it MAY

2599
02:00:42,443 --> 02:00:44,470
very well be moot. And I don't

2600
02:00:44,470 --> 02:00:46,302
want to spend a lot of time and

2601
02:00:46,302 --> 02:00:47,891
create a little conflict about

2602
02:00:47,891 --> 02:00:49,744
it, when it MAY be moot anyway.

2603
02:00:49,744 --> 02:00:52,440
In fact, I predict it will be.

2604
02:00:52,440 --> 02:00:54,213
So. Okay, let's just table it.

2605
02:00:54,213 --> 02:00:56,782
Any objections to tabling it?

2606
02:00:56,782 --> 02:00:58,952
No. No objection. Okay. In this

2607
02:00:58,952 --> 02:01:01,387
case, we're going to table that.

2608
02:01:01,387 --> 02:01:02,769
And before we go on to the

2609
02:01:02,769 --> 02:01:04,726
presentation, I do want to ask

2610
02:01:04,726 --> 02:01:07,726
if there's any ex parte

2611
02:01:07,893 --> 02:01:10,293
communication or site visits

2612
02:01:13,232 --> 02:01:15,350
from the commissioners. I can't

2613
02:01:15,350 --> 02:01:17,435
recall any ex party

2614
02:01:19,405 --> 02:01:21,465
communications. I made an

2615
02:01:21,465 --> 02:01:23,446
extensive site visit this

2616
02:01:23,446 --> 02:01:25,235
morning. I got up really early

2617
02:01:25,235 --> 02:01:26,802
and drove all around the

2618
02:01:26,802 --> 02:01:28,610
neighborhood and made some

2619
02:01:28,610 --> 02:01:29,613
circles and. And then I had the

2620
02:01:29,613 --> 02:01:31,601
opportunity to do it all over

2621
02:01:31,601 --> 02:01:32,994
again, driving back from Santa

2622
02:01:32,994 --> 02:01:35,994
Maria. So I'm reporting all

2623
02:01:38,124 --> 02:01:40,960
that. Okay, I, I'd also like to

2624
02:01:40,960 --> 02:01:43,863
share that when I saw this item

2625
02:01:43,863 --> 02:01:47,990
on the agenda, I asked for

2626
02:01:47,990 --> 02:01:49,235
permission to view the site. By

2627
02:01:49,235 --> 02:01:50,768
the time I had received

2628
02:01:50,768 --> 02:01:52,944
permission to review the site,

2629
02:01:52,944 --> 02:01:55,341
I had. I had already been there.

2630
02:01:55,341 --> 02:01:57,717
So I have seen the site. I have

2631
02:01:57,717 --> 02:01:59,452
driven around the streets and

2632
02:01:59,452 --> 02:02:01,241
I've drove into the driveway.

2633
02:02:01,241 --> 02:02:03,333
But I did not get out of my car

2634
02:02:03,333 --> 02:02:05,733
because I didn't have

2635
02:02:05,991 --> 02:02:08,604
permission. So I didn't go very

2636
02:02:08,604 --> 02:02:11,850
far into the property. So I've

2637
02:02:11,850 --> 02:02:14,602
seen a bit, but it's solely on

2638
02:02:14,602 --> 02:02:18,450
my own. Okay. And no other

2639
02:02:18,450 --> 02:02:20,813
comments. So now we'll go ahead

2640
02:02:20,813 --> 02:02:23,711
and open it up to the staff

2641
02:02:23,711 --> 02:02:25,711
presentation. Good morning

2642
02:02:26,959 --> 02:02:29,359
commissioners. My name is

2643
02:02:30,432 --> 02:02:32,432
Francisco Vargas, County

2644
02:02:33,447 --> 02:02:36,359
Planner. I will be providing a

2645
02:02:36,359 --> 02:02:39,215
grant overview of the proposed

2646
02:02:39,215 --> 02:02:41,241
t mobile tier for a telecom

2647
02:02:41,241 --> 02:02:43,557
project. Case number 25qp-00023.

2648
02:02:43,557 --> 02:02:45,825
This project is a request for a

2649
02:02:45,825 --> 02:02:48,760
conditional use permit. The

2650
02:02:48,760 --> 02:02:50,760
project includes a

2651
02:02:50,139 --> 02:02:52,110
telecommunications facility

2652
02:02:52,110 --> 02:02:54,780
designed as a faux eucalyptus

2653
02:02:54,780 --> 02:02:57,710
that is 6 to 8ft tall in the

2654
02:02:57,710 --> 02:02:59,710
agriculture 110 zone district.

2655
02:03:00,193 --> 02:03:02,199
District. The project site,

2656
02:03:02,199 --> 02:03:04,598
outlined in yellow, is a ten

2657
02:03:04,598 --> 02:03:06,998
acre parcel zoned agriculture

2658
02:03:07,132 --> 02:03:09,132
110, located off 1626 Calzada

2659
02:03:09,383 --> 02:03:12,112
Avenue, Santa Ynez, within the

2660
02:03:12,112 --> 02:03:14,112
Third Supervisorial District.

2661
02:03:15,710 --> 02:03:18,710
The location of the facility

2662
02:03:18,181 --> 02:03:21,181
within the subject parcel is

2663
02:03:21,595 --> 02:03:24,182
identified with a yellow circle

2664
02:03:24,182 --> 02:03:27,305
on the eastern side of the

2665
02:03:27,305 --> 02:03:29,673
parcel. The general area

2666
02:03:29,673 --> 02:03:32,730
consists of large agricultural

2667
02:03:32,260 --> 02:03:35,310
parcels over five acres and

2668
02:03:35,310 --> 02:03:37,267
some up to 40 acres in size.

2669
02:03:37,267 --> 02:03:39,984
The area is characterized by

2670
02:03:39,984 --> 02:03:42,490
rural, farm, residential and

2671
02:03:42,490 --> 02:03:44,490
agricultural. Equestrian uses.

2672
02:03:44,436 --> 02:03:46,836
The subject parcel is

2673
02:03:46,869 --> 02:03:48,556
relatively flat. Located

2674
02:03:48,556 --> 02:03:50,655
approximately 1400ft west of

2675
02:03:50,655 --> 02:03:52,767
Edison Street and approximately

2676
02:03:52,767 --> 02:03:54,694
1930ft west of highway 154.

2677
02:03:54,694 --> 02:03:56,851
This slide shows the project

2678
02:03:56,851 --> 02:03:59,630
site in red within the

2679
02:03:59,630 --> 02:04:01,326
agriculture one zoning note.

2680
02:04:01,326 --> 02:04:04,900
All adjacent nearby parcels in

2681
02:04:04,900 --> 02:04:06,641
the general vicinity are zoned

2682
02:04:06,641 --> 02:04:09,641
agriculture as well, with some

2683
02:04:10,470 --> 02:04:12,701
single family residential shown

2684
02:04:12,701 --> 02:04:14,701
in yellow. Located

2685
02:04:15,298 --> 02:04:17,298
approximately 700ft southwest

2686
02:04:17,622 --> 02:04:19,835
of the proposed facility area.

2687
02:04:19,835 --> 02:04:22,800
This is the overall site plan

2688
02:04:22,800 --> 02:04:24,865
which shows the location of the

2689
02:04:24,865 --> 02:04:27,159
facility within the project

2690
02:04:27,159 --> 02:04:29,810
site. Note the facility is

2691
02:04:29,810 --> 02:04:32,543
proposed away from the nearest

2692
02:04:32,543 --> 02:04:35,970
road on the east side of the

2693
02:04:35,970 --> 02:04:37,724
ten acre parcel. The tower

2694
02:04:37,724 --> 02:04:40,279
itself is proposed to be

2695
02:04:40,279 --> 02:04:42,518
approximately 1221ft east of

2696
02:04:42,518 --> 02:04:44,230
Calzada Avenue, and the

2697
02:04:44,230 --> 02:04:46,619
perimeter fenced area would be

2698
02:04:46,619 --> 02:04:48,661
approximately 1205ft east of

2699
02:04:48,661 --> 02:04:50,878
Calzada Avenue. The site

2700
02:04:50,878 --> 02:04:52,878
contains existing overhead

2701
02:04:52,942 --> 02:04:54,827
power lines, which run east or

2702
02:04:54,827 --> 02:04:56,712
west to east along the northern

2703
02:04:56,712 --> 02:04:59,112
property line and terminate

2704
02:05:00,530 --> 02:05:03,540
near the center of the site, as

2705
02:05:03,540 --> 02:05:04,826
shown in the dashed orange line

2706
02:05:04,826 --> 02:05:07,140
at the top. The proposed. The

2707
02:05:07,140 --> 02:05:10,140
project proposes to tie into

2708
02:05:10,823 --> 02:05:13,223
the existing utility utility

2709
02:05:13,849 --> 02:05:16,249
pole infrastructure by routing

2710
02:05:16,300 --> 02:05:18,423
new underground lines from the

2711
02:05:18,423 --> 02:05:21,210
proposed facility area to the

2712
02:05:21,210 --> 02:05:24,151
existing lines, one new utility

2713
02:05:24,151 --> 02:05:26,751
pole will be required to be

2714
02:05:26,751 --> 02:05:28,472
installed on site. The location

2715
02:05:28,472 --> 02:05:30,341
of that pole will be noted on

2716
02:05:30,341 --> 02:05:32,692
the next slide. So this is a

2717
02:05:32,692 --> 02:05:35,736
close up of the lease area. It

2718
02:05:35,736 --> 02:05:38,740
also shows other components of

2719
02:05:38,740 --> 02:05:40,300
the proposed facility,

2720
02:05:40,300 --> 02:05:42,176
including the eight foot

2721
02:05:42,176 --> 02:05:44,176
perimeter fence, adjacent

2722
02:05:44,672 --> 02:05:47,720
transformer required to be

2723
02:05:47,177 --> 02:05:49,410
enclosed. The new utility line

2724
02:05:49,410 --> 02:05:50,870
configuration location of the

2725
02:05:50,870 --> 02:05:52,628
37.5ft utility pole, and the

2726
02:05:52,628 --> 02:05:53,849
proposed fire turnaround

2727
02:05:53,849 --> 02:05:56,190
required for emergency access.

2728
02:05:56,190 --> 02:05:59,190
This slide includes the west

2729
02:05:59,441 --> 02:06:01,841
and south elevations. The

2730
02:06:02,115 --> 02:06:04,515
proposed height of the

2731
02:06:04,556 --> 02:06:06,556
telecommunications facility is

2732
02:06:07,241 --> 02:06:10,800
68ft tall. The height is

2733
02:06:10,800 --> 02:06:12,350
measured from the existing

2734
02:06:12,350 --> 02:06:14,969
grade to the tallest branch.

2735
02:06:14,969 --> 02:06:17,120
The design is that of a

2736
02:06:17,120 --> 02:06:19,520
eucalyptus tree. This design

2737
02:06:20,181 --> 02:06:22,581
addressed input received from

2738
02:06:22,990 --> 02:06:25,305
the Central Board of

2739
02:06:25,305 --> 02:06:27,305
Architectural Review, referred

2740
02:06:27,951 --> 02:06:30,163
to as c bar, and is conditioned

2741
02:06:30,163 --> 02:06:32,209
to return to c bar after

2742
02:06:32,209 --> 02:06:35,209
approval of the cup. The

2743
02:06:35,680 --> 02:06:38,800
fencing proposed includes an

2744
02:06:38,464 --> 02:06:40,864
eight foot tall corrugated

2745
02:06:41,989 --> 02:06:43,989
non-reflective metal fence

2746
02:06:44,806 --> 02:06:48,406
design, as recommended by c bar.

2747
02:06:48,740 --> 02:06:51,646
This is the east elevation of

2748
02:06:51,646 --> 02:06:54,646
both, showing both the telecom

2749
02:06:55,377 --> 02:06:58,977
and the 37.5ft utility pole. To

2750
02:06:59,760 --> 02:07:02,760
give you a better understanding

2751
02:07:02,851 --> 02:07:06,281
of the scale of both structures.

2752
02:07:06,281 --> 02:07:09,281
So the following few slides

2753
02:07:09,688 --> 02:07:12,880
include the photo simulations

2754
02:07:12,734 --> 02:07:15,734
provided by the applicant, so

2755
02:07:16,253 --> 02:07:19,253
you can better understand what

2756
02:07:20,506 --> 02:07:23,506
the facility will look like.

2757
02:07:23,954 --> 02:07:26,354
Once constructed. The left

2758
02:07:27,251 --> 02:07:30,251
image shows the existing view

2759
02:07:30,801 --> 02:07:33,801
without the facility, and the

2760
02:07:35,800 --> 02:07:38,608
right image shows the same view

2761
02:07:38,853 --> 02:07:41,253
and identifies the proposed

2762
02:07:42,234 --> 02:07:45,410
facility with a call out. This

2763
02:07:45,410 --> 02:07:47,810
first elevation shows the

2764
02:07:47,981 --> 02:07:50,381
project site looking southeast

2765
02:07:50,638 --> 02:07:53,207
from Calzada Avenue. The second

2766
02:07:53,207 --> 02:07:56,102
slide compares the view looking

2767
02:07:56,102 --> 02:07:58,502
northwest from Edison Street,

2768
02:07:58,958 --> 02:08:01,290
and this third slide compares

2769
02:08:01,290 --> 02:08:03,421
the view looking southwest from

2770
02:08:03,421 --> 02:08:06,960
highway 154. This is an exhibit

2771
02:08:06,960 --> 02:08:09,960
prepared by the applicant or

2772
02:08:09,561 --> 02:08:11,961
provided by the applicant,

2773
02:08:13,235 --> 02:08:15,635
which compares the existing

2774
02:08:17,141 --> 02:08:19,541
service coverage versus the

2775
02:08:20,898 --> 02:08:23,898
updated coverage. As a result

2776
02:08:24,587 --> 02:08:27,587
of the project, red represents

2777
02:08:28,440 --> 02:08:30,440
poor coverage, yellow

2778
02:08:31,126 --> 02:08:33,526
represents fair coverage and

2779
02:08:33,955 --> 02:08:36,355
green represents good coverage.

2780
02:08:37,159 --> 02:08:40,290
The image to the left shows the

2781
02:08:40,290 --> 02:08:42,690
existing coverage, and the

2782
02:08:42,770 --> 02:08:46,450
image on the right shows the

2783
02:08:46,450 --> 02:08:49,450
new. In other words, proposed

2784
02:08:49,123 --> 02:08:51,123
coverage. The applicant

2785
02:08:51,555 --> 02:08:53,955
prepared. An alternative site

2786
02:08:54,129 --> 02:08:56,129
analysis included with

2787
02:08:56,690 --> 02:08:58,433
attachment f of the staff

2788
02:08:58,433 --> 02:09:00,534
report. The analysis indicated

2789
02:09:00,534 --> 02:09:03,790
over 15 sites in the vicinity

2790
02:09:03,790 --> 02:09:04,838
were considered for the telecom

2791
02:09:04,838 --> 02:09:06,731
site. However, in all cases,

2792
02:09:06,731 --> 02:09:09,270
either the property owners were

2793
02:09:09,270 --> 02:09:11,667
not interested or it was

2794
02:09:11,667 --> 02:09:13,872
determined that the location

2795
02:09:13,872 --> 02:09:16,570
did not fully meet the needs to

2796
02:09:16,570 --> 02:09:19,110
address the gap in coverage.

2797
02:09:19,110 --> 02:09:21,515
The project will meet all

2798
02:09:21,515 --> 02:09:23,515
applicable development

2799
02:09:23,975 --> 02:09:25,975
standards, comprehensive plan

2800
02:09:26,600 --> 02:09:29,000
and federal requirements. For

2801
02:09:29,381 --> 02:09:32,381
example, the project meets the

2802
02:09:32,434 --> 02:09:34,834
required setbacks, the height

2803
02:09:34,964 --> 02:09:37,294
limitation of 100ft since it is

2804
02:09:37,294 --> 02:09:39,939
a 68 foot tower, and also

2805
02:09:39,939 --> 02:09:41,939
incorporates design

2806
02:09:42,567 --> 02:09:44,967
recommendations provided by c

2807
02:09:45,144 --> 02:09:48,190
bar. Last fall of 2025. It also

2808
02:09:48,190 --> 02:09:50,190
includes other The

2809
02:09:50,560 --> 02:09:52,791
recommendations, such as the

2810
02:09:52,791 --> 02:09:55,191
corrugated fencing and natural

2811
02:09:55,454 --> 02:09:58,125
colors for the branches and

2812
02:09:58,125 --> 02:10:00,525
leaves. The applicant also

2813
02:10:00,699 --> 02:10:03,990
provided an electro magnetic

2814
02:10:03,285 --> 02:10:05,285
energy compliance report,

2815
02:10:05,801 --> 02:10:08,297
otherwise referred to as an rf

2816
02:10:08,297 --> 02:10:11,160
report, and was prepared by a

2817
02:10:11,160 --> 02:10:13,170
third party consultant, which

2818
02:10:13,170 --> 02:10:15,237
is also included with

2819
02:10:15,237 --> 02:10:17,514
attachment f of the staff

2820
02:10:17,514 --> 02:10:19,485
report. The report indicates

2821
02:10:19,485 --> 02:10:21,995
the project will comply with

2822
02:10:21,995 --> 02:10:24,395
the relevant federal compliance

2823
02:10:24,864 --> 02:10:27,230
fcc standards and will require

2824
02:10:27,230 --> 02:10:29,601
specific safety signage at the

2825
02:10:29,601 --> 02:10:31,410
perimeter of the lease area.

2826
02:10:31,410 --> 02:10:32,774
Staff determined that the

2827
02:10:32,774 --> 02:10:34,608
project is exempt from Sequa

2828
02:10:34,608 --> 02:10:36,372
pursuant Ceqa exemption 15303,

2829
02:10:36,372 --> 02:10:37,843
which applies to new

2830
02:10:37,843 --> 02:10:39,502
construction or conversion of

2831
02:10:39,502 --> 02:10:41,266
small structures and in this

2832
02:10:41,266 --> 02:10:42,729
case applies to the monopole.

2833
02:10:42,729 --> 02:10:44,176
The ground level equipment

2834
02:10:44,176 --> 02:10:45,261
cabinets and the fencing staff

2835
02:10:45,261 --> 02:10:46,413
also determined that the

2836
02:10:46,413 --> 02:10:47,629
project is exempt from sequa

2837
02:10:47,629 --> 02:10:49,410
pursuant Ceqa exemption 1530

2838
02:10:49,410 --> 02:10:51,275
for minor alterations to land

2839
02:10:51,275 --> 02:10:52,900
and is applicable in this case

2840
02:10:52,900 --> 02:10:54,515
based on the minor minimal

2841
02:10:54,515 --> 02:10:55,775
grading required. With this,

2842
02:10:55,775 --> 02:10:56,804
staff recommends the following

2843
02:10:56,804 --> 02:10:58,244
to the Planning Commission.

2844
02:10:58,244 --> 02:10:59,474
Number one make the required

2845
02:10:59,474 --> 02:11:00,553
findings for approval of the

2846
02:11:00,553 --> 02:11:02,890
project specified in attachment

2847
02:11:02,890 --> 02:11:03,572
a of the staff report,

2848
02:11:03,572 --> 02:11:05,174
including sequel findings.

2849
02:11:05,174 --> 02:11:06,661
Number two determine the

2850
02:11:06,661 --> 02:11:07,991
project is exempt from Sequa to

2851
02:11:07,991 --> 02:11:09,516
exempt from Sequa pursuant to

2852
02:11:09,516 --> 02:11:10,716
state sequel guidelines.

2853
02:11:10,716 --> 02:11:13,221
Section one, five, three, oh

2854
02:11:13,221 --> 02:11:15,560
three and 15304. Number three

2855
02:11:15,560 --> 02:11:16,818
approve the project case number

2856
02:11:16,818 --> 02:11:18,241
25qp-00023, subject to the

2857
02:11:18,241 --> 02:11:19,843
conditions of approval included

2858
02:11:19,843 --> 02:11:21,621
as attachment b. This concludes

2859
02:11:21,621 --> 02:11:23,247
staff's presentation, and we're

2860
02:11:23,247 --> 02:11:25,156
happy to answer any questions.

2861
02:11:25,156 --> 02:11:27,270
Okay. I believe there are going

2862
02:11:27,270 --> 02:11:28,851
to be quite a few questions,

2863
02:11:28,851 --> 02:11:30,939
but just before we we open with

2864
02:11:30,939 --> 02:11:32,600
the questions I'm going to ask

2865
02:11:32,600 --> 02:11:34,218
that we take a short break. Any

2866
02:11:34,218 --> 02:11:36,162
objections to a short break?

2867
02:11:36,162 --> 02:11:38,365
Okay. Five minute break and

2868
02:11:38,365 --> 02:11:41,965
we'll be right back. Thank you.

2869
02:22:10,222 --> 02:22:11,557
Have you taken care of all the

2870
02:22:11,557 --> 02:22:15,157
business you need to take care

2871
02:22:16,730 --> 02:22:18,283
of? What do you mean, business?

2872
02:22:18,283 --> 02:22:20,299
Okay, we are coming back from

2873
02:22:20,299 --> 02:22:22,501
our break now, and I would like

2874
02:22:22,501 --> 02:22:23,855
to start by opening up for

2875
02:22:23,855 --> 02:22:25,148
questions from the

2876
02:22:25,148 --> 02:22:27,148
commissioners. And so,

2877
02:22:30,343 --> 02:22:32,478
Commissioner Park. Yes. MR.

2878
02:22:32,478 --> 02:22:34,747
Vargas, thank you for your

2879
02:22:34,747 --> 02:22:37,747
staff report. Very complete, as

2880
02:22:40,853 --> 02:22:43,356
always. A few things. One,

2881
02:22:43,356 --> 02:22:46,593
could you go back to I think it

2882
02:22:46,593 --> 02:22:50,793
was slide nine, and it was the

2883
02:22:53,432 --> 02:22:56,269
the coverage map. There you go

2884
02:22:56,269 --> 02:22:57,471
on the on the after. Well,

2885
02:22:57,471 --> 02:23:00,973
actually it's on all of them.

2886
02:23:00,973 --> 02:23:03,760
We see sort of a, a slash

2887
02:23:03,760 --> 02:23:06,130
starting near the lower right

2888
02:23:06,130 --> 02:23:07,881
hand corner, and it goes almost

2889
02:23:07,881 --> 02:23:10,283
right past this. The site is

2890
02:23:10,283 --> 02:23:13,283
that highway 154. Just so we

2891
02:23:13,953 --> 02:23:14,954
can put this map in context,

2892
02:23:14,954 --> 02:23:17,224
Commissioner Park through the

2893
02:23:17,224 --> 02:23:19,725
chair. Correct. That is highway

2894
02:23:19,725 --> 02:23:21,894
154 on the right hand side and

2895
02:23:21,894 --> 02:23:24,163
in the. If we look at the

2896
02:23:24,163 --> 02:23:26,532
afters, it shows an area area

2897
02:23:26,532 --> 02:23:28,701
in green kind of surrounding

2898
02:23:28,701 --> 02:23:30,903
the the site. And that's where

2899
02:23:30,903 --> 02:23:32,305
there would be good coverage,

2900
02:23:32,305 --> 02:23:33,406
you know, improved coverage.

2901
02:23:33,406 --> 02:23:36,609
That's kind of the point of

2902
02:23:36,609 --> 02:23:38,811
this. Correct. Okay. And it

2903
02:23:38,811 --> 02:23:42,480
shows a lot of land that's on

2904
02:23:42,480 --> 02:23:45,648
the other side, east side of.

2905
02:23:46,352 --> 02:23:48,752
154 correct? Correct. Okay. And

2906
02:23:50,957 --> 02:23:53,159
in this coverage map, it's.

2907
02:23:53,159 --> 02:23:55,559
It's in the electromagnetic

2908
02:23:56,463 --> 02:23:58,230
report just so that people can

2909
02:23:58,230 --> 02:23:59,632
follow where these maps are.

2910
02:23:59,632 --> 02:24:02,632
That is correct. Part of

2911
02:24:02,935 --> 02:24:06,535
attachment f. Okay, I want to

2912
02:24:07,607 --> 02:24:09,375
ask you about other antennae

2913
02:24:09,375 --> 02:24:10,810
that are located in what's

2914
02:24:10,810 --> 02:24:12,645
often called the heart of the

2915
02:24:12,645 --> 02:24:14,113
valley. And it's not just

2916
02:24:14,113 --> 02:24:16,215
locals that call it that. It's

2917
02:24:16,215 --> 02:24:18,351
in it's in the Valley community

2918
02:24:18,351 --> 02:24:19,852
plan, which is, you know, more

2919
02:24:19,852 --> 02:24:22,355
or less a flat area that's

2920
02:24:22,355 --> 02:24:25,355
bounded by 154 there on the

2921
02:24:26,325 --> 02:24:28,427
east and by 246 on the bottom

2922
02:24:28,427 --> 02:24:31,731
and and to the left, Alamo

2923
02:24:31,731 --> 02:24:34,234
Pintado Road. And it's all

2924
02:24:34,234 --> 02:24:35,702
generally flat, usually ag one

2925
02:24:35,702 --> 02:24:38,102
properties or even residential

2926
02:24:38,170 --> 02:24:39,972
zone properties. They're all ag

2927
02:24:39,972 --> 02:24:43,209
one tens, ag one fives, things

2928
02:24:43,209 --> 02:24:45,110
like that. Are there any other

2929
02:24:45,110 --> 02:24:46,646
antennae of this size in the

2930
02:24:46,646 --> 02:24:50,246
heart of the valley, to your

2931
02:24:50,816 --> 02:24:52,285
knowledge? To my knowledge, I

2932
02:24:52,285 --> 02:24:54,720
don't. I would have to look

2933
02:24:54,720 --> 02:24:57,290
that up honestly. Okay. I, I

2934
02:24:57,290 --> 02:25:00,459
don't recall any, but what I do

2935
02:25:00,459 --> 02:25:02,328
recall hearing and approving

2936
02:25:02,328 --> 02:25:05,731
was one that I thought was at

2937
02:25:05,731 --> 02:25:08,401
least 50ft and it was disguised

2938
02:25:08,401 --> 02:25:11,637
as a water tower as opposed to

2939
02:25:11,637 --> 02:25:12,905
a eucalyptus tree or, or a

2940
02:25:12,905 --> 02:25:14,174
Disneyland ride or whatever,

2941
02:25:14,174 --> 02:25:16,676
you know, it's just that's what

2942
02:25:16,676 --> 02:25:18,878
it was. But does that ring a

2943
02:25:18,878 --> 02:25:20,120
bell with any of you? I guess

2944
02:25:20,120 --> 02:25:21,514
it's so well camouflaged, I

2945
02:25:21,514 --> 02:25:24,514
can't remember where it is

2946
02:25:26,819 --> 02:25:28,654
anymore. Okay. Commissioner

2947
02:25:28,654 --> 02:25:31,654
Park, we're not. We're looking.

2948
02:25:31,824 --> 02:25:35,424
We're not finding it. We did

2949
02:25:35,761 --> 02:25:37,830
see some withdrawn water tower

2950
02:25:37,830 --> 02:25:38,965
cases. We do recall the one in

2951
02:25:38,965 --> 02:25:40,599
Lompoc, but we're not finding

2952
02:25:40,599 --> 02:25:42,335
an exact one in Swat Valley.

2953
02:25:42,335 --> 02:25:43,536
But we'll keep scanning our

2954
02:25:43,536 --> 02:25:45,471
records to see if we can find

2955
02:25:45,471 --> 02:25:48,471
anything. I have some other

2956
02:25:49,842 --> 02:25:51,430
questions. That I'll ask of MR.

2957
02:25:51,430 --> 02:25:53,443
Ambrose. Well, actually, first

2958
02:25:54,580 --> 02:25:56,716
let me ask, is there a separate

2959
02:25:56,716 --> 02:25:58,918
alternative site study here? I

2960
02:25:58,918 --> 02:26:00,139
see language in the in the same

2961
02:26:00,139 --> 02:26:01,554
report we've been referring.

2962
02:26:01,554 --> 02:26:03,723
But is there a separate site

2963
02:26:03,723 --> 02:26:07,323
study? I couldn't find one in

2964
02:26:07,827 --> 02:26:08,894
the record. I'm sorry.

2965
02:26:08,894 --> 02:26:09,863
Commissioner Park through the

2966
02:26:09,863 --> 02:26:12,131
chair. Would you mind repeating

2967
02:26:12,131 --> 02:26:14,000
the question? Is there.

2968
02:26:14,000 --> 02:26:15,868
Sometimes we'll see. Site

2969
02:26:15,868 --> 02:26:17,903
studies be labeled a site study,

2970
02:26:17,903 --> 02:26:19,338
and they'll. And they'll review

2971
02:26:19,338 --> 02:26:21,874
alternative sites and why they

2972
02:26:21,874 --> 02:26:23,310
did this one. And at first I

2973
02:26:23,310 --> 02:26:24,444
couldn't find it because I

2974
02:26:24,444 --> 02:26:26,545
couldn't see anything labeled

2975
02:26:26,545 --> 02:26:28,447
that. But I do see about a page

2976
02:26:28,447 --> 02:26:30,116
of language to that effect that

2977
02:26:30,116 --> 02:26:31,189
I think is in the. I can't

2978
02:26:31,189 --> 02:26:32,818
remember what you call this,

2979
02:26:32,818 --> 02:26:34,855
the irc report or whatever.

2980
02:26:34,855 --> 02:26:35,921
That's correct. It's in the rf

2981
02:26:35,921 --> 02:26:37,124
report, which is attachment f

2982
02:26:37,124 --> 02:26:38,858
to the staff report, and we

2983
02:26:38,858 --> 02:26:39,925
have it prepared. If there's

2984
02:26:39,925 --> 02:26:41,827
any information you want to

2985
02:26:41,827 --> 02:26:43,830
bring up on the screen in that

2986
02:26:43,830 --> 02:26:45,965
report. Okay. And also I'm, I'm

2987
02:26:45,965 --> 02:26:48,834
used to seeing a separate

2988
02:26:48,834 --> 02:26:51,300
coverage maps as exhibits, but

2989
02:26:51,300 --> 02:26:52,171
here we've, we basically got

2990
02:26:52,171 --> 02:26:55,420
that, but it's in that same

2991
02:26:55,420 --> 02:26:56,842
report, right? That's correct.

2992
02:26:56,842 --> 02:26:58,780
Okay. Well, I MAY ask you more

2993
02:26:58,780 --> 02:26:59,679
questions later, but I'm, I'm

2994
02:26:59,679 --> 02:27:00,913
going to try them with MR.

2995
02:27:00,913 --> 02:27:02,549
Ambrose first because I think

2996
02:27:02,549 --> 02:27:04,283
he'll probably know better.

2997
02:27:04,283 --> 02:27:05,785
Thank you. And I been

2998
02:27:05,785 --> 02:27:08,185
researching our permit records

2999
02:27:08,988 --> 02:27:09,990
about your question about other

3000
02:27:09,990 --> 02:27:11,990
telecommunications facilities,

3001
02:27:12,291 --> 02:27:13,393
a full water tank. There was an

3002
02:27:13,393 --> 02:27:15,963
application for a full water

3003
02:27:15,963 --> 02:27:17,630
tank on Robles Avenue. So I

3004
02:27:17,630 --> 02:27:18,698
think that's. That's what

3005
02:27:18,698 --> 02:27:20,933
you're discussing. It's 50ft

3006
02:27:20,933 --> 02:27:23,402
tall. Whatever happened to it?

3007
02:27:23,402 --> 02:27:26,238
I'm looking at I can't remember

3008
02:27:26,238 --> 02:27:28,740
ever having these denied. They

3009
02:27:28,740 --> 02:27:31,740
get fiddled with but rarely

3010
02:27:31,544 --> 02:27:33,279
denied. I'll keep researching

3011
02:27:33,279 --> 02:27:36,149
and it's okay. It's not central

3012
02:27:36,149 --> 02:27:37,750
to this. Thanks. Oh well, there

3013
02:27:37,750 --> 02:27:39,285
is one someone told me last

3014
02:27:39,285 --> 02:27:41,685
night on reservoir gets

3015
02:27:42,455 --> 02:27:45,455
installed. Yeah. There you go.

3016
02:27:45,725 --> 02:27:47,493
I think so too. Okay. Thank you

3017
02:27:47,493 --> 02:27:49,428
for the record because he's not

3018
02:27:49,428 --> 02:27:51,530
on a microphone, so maybe you

3019
02:27:51,530 --> 02:27:54,867
want to repeat it. You need me

3020
02:27:54,867 --> 02:27:55,969
to stand up? No. You know, I

3021
02:27:55,969 --> 02:27:57,703
just repeat that someone from

3022
02:27:57,703 --> 02:27:59,839
the audience has pointed out

3023
02:27:59,839 --> 02:28:01,274
that I have excellent memory.

3024
02:28:01,274 --> 02:28:03,443
And, I mean, that's implied,

3025
02:28:03,443 --> 02:28:04,877
not explicitly stated, and that

3026
02:28:04,877 --> 02:28:06,646
we do, in fact, have an

3027
02:28:06,646 --> 02:28:09,460
installation on Robles Avenue

3028
02:28:09,548 --> 02:28:12,548
of a approximately 50 foot Fo

3029
02:28:13,986 --> 02:28:15,288
water tank. Thanks. Okay. I

3030
02:28:15,288 --> 02:28:17,390
also have a few questions. I'm

3031
02:28:17,390 --> 02:28:19,292
going to ask you to go back to

3032
02:28:19,292 --> 02:28:22,292
slides nine, ten, and 11, if

3033
02:28:22,428 --> 02:28:24,964
you don't mind. And I'm looking

3034
02:28:24,964 --> 02:28:27,964
at the proposed eucalyptus tree

3035
02:28:28,267 --> 02:28:32,467
on the after side of each of

3036
02:28:38,678 --> 02:28:40,880
the slides. So. I'm trying to

3037
02:28:40,880 --> 02:28:43,816
figure out the size of the tree.

3038
02:28:43,816 --> 02:28:45,885
I understand we said 68ft and

3039
02:28:45,885 --> 02:28:47,253
but I don't have a point of

3040
02:28:47,253 --> 02:28:50,256
reference. So I want to ask a

3041
02:28:50,256 --> 02:28:52,825
few questions. In this part of

3042
02:28:52,825 --> 02:28:54,527
the Santa Ynez Valley is the

3043
02:28:54,527 --> 02:28:57,960
maximum height of a building

3044
02:28:57,960 --> 02:28:58,699
35ft. Is it the same as it is

3045
02:28:58,699 --> 02:29:01,335
for other parts of Santa

3046
02:29:01,335 --> 02:29:03,135
Barbara County? Chairperson Guy.

3047
02:29:03,135 --> 02:29:04,570
So the maximum height for a

3048
02:29:04,570 --> 02:29:06,372
regular building would be 35ft.

3049
02:29:06,372 --> 02:29:08,541
However, for telecoms it is a

3050
02:29:08,541 --> 02:29:10,209
different threshold. Under a

3051
02:29:10,209 --> 02:29:11,778
cup, they are allowed to have

3052
02:29:11,778 --> 02:29:13,579
up to 100 foot tower. Okay.

3053
02:29:13,579 --> 02:29:16,820
Thank you. I'm just trying to

3054
02:29:16,820 --> 02:29:17,516
figure perspective. So so a

3055
02:29:17,516 --> 02:29:20,516
single family house would have

3056
02:29:21,154 --> 02:29:23,289
about a 15ft to 20ft high roof

3057
02:29:23,289 --> 02:29:24,557
and a two story. But but we're

3058
02:29:24,557 --> 02:29:26,626
limited in Santa Barbara County

3059
02:29:26,626 --> 02:29:28,228
at 35ft. Okay, I understand

3060
02:29:28,228 --> 02:29:31,464
that. Then my next my next

3061
02:29:31,464 --> 02:29:33,332
question is the trees around it.

3062
02:29:33,332 --> 02:29:35,468
I'm having a hard time telling

3063
02:29:35,468 --> 02:29:36,902
from the photos what types of

3064
02:29:36,902 --> 02:29:39,372
trees. And I know a eucalyptus

3065
02:29:39,372 --> 02:29:42,972
was accepted, and I think it's

3066
02:29:43,342 --> 02:29:46,342
easiest to tell, perhaps on

3067
02:29:46,979 --> 02:29:48,881
slide ten, again, I'm trying to

3068
02:29:48,881 --> 02:29:51,281
get the perspective because

3069
02:29:51,317 --> 02:29:53,819
looking at slide ten, the tower

3070
02:29:53,819 --> 02:29:55,955
looks tiny, but the trees to

3071
02:29:55,955 --> 02:29:58,570
the right look huge. So if that

3072
02:29:58,570 --> 02:29:59,226
tower is 68ft, I would assume

3073
02:29:59,226 --> 02:30:02,461
that those trees are going to

3074
02:30:02,461 --> 02:30:04,964
be about 250ft tall or, or it's

3075
02:30:04,964 --> 02:30:07,500
about perception. And I'm just

3076
02:30:07,500 --> 02:30:09,635
curious because because of the

3077
02:30:09,635 --> 02:30:12,350
impact to the neighborhood,

3078
02:30:12,104 --> 02:30:14,340
having a sole tree versus a,

3079
02:30:14,340 --> 02:30:16,810
you know, how visible, how

3080
02:30:16,810 --> 02:30:20,460
visible it is. So the question

3081
02:30:20,460 --> 02:30:23,646
then becomes, do we have any

3082
02:30:25,518 --> 02:30:27,654
other 68ft or 100ft poles or

3083
02:30:27,654 --> 02:30:30,222
concealed towers? Not the water

3084
02:30:30,222 --> 02:30:31,991
tower. I'm talking about poles,

3085
02:30:31,991 --> 02:30:34,193
just the pole by itself or the

3086
02:30:34,193 --> 02:30:35,565
concealed pole disguised as a

3087
02:30:35,565 --> 02:30:38,131
tree. Do we have any others

3088
02:30:38,131 --> 02:30:40,967
that are 68ft to 100ft tall in

3089
02:30:40,967 --> 02:30:42,113
the Santa Ynez Valley?

3090
02:30:42,113 --> 02:30:44,971
Chairperson guy. I'm not aware

3091
02:30:44,971 --> 02:30:48,571
of any other facilities in the

3092
02:30:50,676 --> 02:30:52,878
area that that tall. Okay. But

3093
02:30:52,878 --> 02:30:54,548
chair guy, we should. As a

3094
02:30:54,548 --> 02:30:56,549
caveat to that, we're not aware

3095
02:30:56,549 --> 02:30:57,683
of any off the top of our head.

3096
02:30:57,683 --> 02:30:59,652
That doesn't mean there haven't

3097
02:30:59,652 --> 02:31:01,220
been any approved. We just.

3098
02:31:01,220 --> 02:31:02,922
Okay, we would need to really

3099
02:31:02,922 --> 02:31:04,790
dig into. I mean, we have

3100
02:31:04,790 --> 02:31:06,164
dozens and dozens and dozens of

3101
02:31:06,164 --> 02:31:07,358
wireless projects we've

3102
02:31:07,358 --> 02:31:09,830
approved. So it would take some

3103
02:31:09,830 --> 02:31:11,931
work for us to dig up that info.

3104
02:31:11,931 --> 02:31:13,733
Okay. Well, I'm I'm curious

3105
02:31:13,733 --> 02:31:14,800
because of the site location,

3106
02:31:14,800 --> 02:31:16,669
going back to what Commissioner

3107
02:31:16,669 --> 02:31:18,738
Park was saying, the site seems

3108
02:31:18,738 --> 02:31:22,800
to be the site location seems

3109
02:31:22,800 --> 02:31:23,743
to be critical for t mobile

3110
02:31:23,743 --> 02:31:25,946
because of the range. What I'm

3111
02:31:25,946 --> 02:31:29,148
trying to figure out is the

3112
02:31:29,148 --> 02:31:31,500
height of the concealed tower

3113
02:31:31,500 --> 02:31:32,785
versus other concealed towers

3114
02:31:32,785 --> 02:31:34,186
that might be providing

3115
02:31:34,186 --> 02:31:35,688
services in the other areas.

3116
02:31:35,688 --> 02:31:37,923
I'm trying to understand,

3117
02:31:37,923 --> 02:31:39,592
because there's there are some

3118
02:31:39,592 --> 02:31:40,826
concerns about the height and

3119
02:31:40,826 --> 02:31:42,428
there's other concerns as well.

3120
02:31:42,428 --> 02:31:44,631
So I'm just trying to I'm

3121
02:31:44,631 --> 02:31:45,765
trying to understand in my mind,

3122
02:31:45,765 --> 02:31:46,799
do any of the other

3123
02:31:46,799 --> 02:31:48,799
commissioners have any

3124
02:31:51,470 --> 02:31:53,974
questions? I do, thank you. A

3125
02:31:53,974 --> 02:31:56,974
couple of questions. First of

3126
02:31:58,311 --> 02:31:59,812
all, can you explain the

3127
02:31:59,812 --> 02:32:01,812
Commission's authority with

3128
02:32:06,986 --> 02:32:10,323
respect to rf issues? In in

3129
02:32:10,323 --> 02:32:12,425
deciding this, this matter from

3130
02:32:12,425 --> 02:32:14,193
the letters we've received,

3131
02:32:14,193 --> 02:32:15,996
there are community concerns

3132
02:32:15,996 --> 02:32:17,930
about rf issues. And I just

3133
02:32:17,930 --> 02:32:21,000
want to understand the scope of

3134
02:32:21,000 --> 02:32:23,302
the Commission's authority to

3135
02:32:23,302 --> 02:32:26,902
deal with rf factors in making

3136
02:32:27,174 --> 02:32:29,742
our decision. Yeah. Chair Guy

3137
02:32:29,742 --> 02:32:31,477
and Commissioner Amerikaner,

3138
02:32:31,477 --> 02:32:34,477
there is a significant amount

3139
02:32:34,780 --> 02:32:37,984
of preemption when it comes to

3140
02:32:37,984 --> 02:32:40,384
rf emissions for telecom

3141
02:32:41,988 --> 02:32:44,988
facilities. So as long as

3142
02:32:45,525 --> 02:32:47,693
facility complies with the fcc

3143
02:32:47,693 --> 02:32:50,930
requirements pertaining to rf

3144
02:32:50,896 --> 02:32:53,896
emissions, then your board is

3145
02:32:54,166 --> 02:32:57,166
unable to to regulate the

3146
02:32:57,703 --> 02:32:59,770
facility on that factor. Okay,

3147
02:32:59,770 --> 02:33:00,610
that's a clear answer to the

3148
02:33:00,610 --> 02:33:04,210
question. Let me ask a second

3149
02:33:05,811 --> 02:33:08,811
question. And. Branches off, no

3150
02:33:08,914 --> 02:33:11,314
pun intended. The chair's

3151
02:33:11,817 --> 02:33:14,217
question about about other

3152
02:33:14,353 --> 02:33:17,953
towers in the in the valley.

3153
02:33:19,358 --> 02:33:22,958
Are there other trees that are

3154
02:33:23,329 --> 02:33:25,366
68ft or taller within the. And

3155
02:33:25,366 --> 02:33:27,600
I'll just say the relevant area

3156
02:33:27,600 --> 02:33:29,468
and I. I'll let you all define

3157
02:33:29,468 --> 02:33:33,680
what the relevant area is. But

3158
02:33:35,575 --> 02:33:37,476
are there other trees that. Are

3159
02:33:37,476 --> 02:33:39,135
that tall or taller in the

3160
02:33:39,135 --> 02:33:42,415
valley or in the Central Valley

3161
02:33:42,415 --> 02:33:44,815
to use Commissioner park's

3162
02:33:45,718 --> 02:33:47,718
phrasing, Commissioner Mayor

3163
02:33:48,989 --> 02:33:51,190
Connor, tough question for us.

3164
02:33:51,190 --> 02:33:53,920
I do. We just do not know. Like

3165
02:33:53,920 --> 02:33:54,462
we do not have a survey of

3166
02:33:54,462 --> 02:33:55,897
trees. I don't know if

3167
02:33:55,897 --> 02:33:57,282
Commissioner Park would want to

3168
02:33:57,282 --> 02:33:58,597
weigh in. I, I suspect just

3169
02:33:58,597 --> 02:34:01,597
from visiting that there are

3170
02:34:02,568 --> 02:34:04,470
trees that are that tall, but I

3171
02:34:04,470 --> 02:34:05,806
can't tell you with, you know,

3172
02:34:05,806 --> 02:34:07,516
right here, right now where

3173
02:34:07,516 --> 02:34:09,141
those are or anything like that,

3174
02:34:09,141 --> 02:34:11,544
I just can't it's just

3175
02:34:11,544 --> 02:34:13,647
something we don't have data on.

3176
02:34:13,647 --> 02:34:14,847
I appreciate I see a lot of

3177
02:34:14,847 --> 02:34:17,683
really big trees in the valley.

3178
02:34:17,683 --> 02:34:18,751
Okay. I appreciate your candor,

3179
02:34:18,751 --> 02:34:19,986
Commissioner Park. I can

3180
02:34:19,986 --> 02:34:21,854
address that in detail. I don't

3181
02:34:21,854 --> 02:34:23,757
know if this is the time to do

3182
02:34:23,757 --> 02:34:25,582
it, but I certainly will at

3183
02:34:25,582 --> 02:34:27,719
some point today. Okay. Thank

3184
02:34:27,719 --> 02:34:29,979
you. That's why I did so much

3185
02:34:29,979 --> 02:34:31,715
driving around. Not not why I

3186
02:34:31,715 --> 02:34:33,280
did it the second round of

3187
02:34:33,280 --> 02:34:35,677
inspections, but the first

3188
02:34:35,677 --> 02:34:37,730
round. That's exactly what I

3189
02:34:37,730 --> 02:34:39,262
was looking at. Okay. By

3190
02:34:39,262 --> 02:34:40,897
species, height and location.

3191
02:34:40,897 --> 02:34:43,297
Good. Commissioner Ford, thanks

3192
02:34:44,678 --> 02:34:46,145
a lot. I don't know if I'm

3193
02:34:46,145 --> 02:34:47,546
overstating it, but I think

3194
02:34:47,546 --> 02:34:50,490
maybe almost everyone has a

3195
02:34:50,490 --> 02:34:52,952
concern about the height itself.

3196
02:34:52,952 --> 02:34:56,552
And so I asked my favorite

3197
02:34:56,889 --> 02:34:59,889
friend Chatgpt for some help.

3198
02:35:00,159 --> 02:35:03,620
And to answer your question,

3199
02:35:03,620 --> 02:35:05,164
68ft pretty much translates

3200
02:35:05,164 --> 02:35:08,367
into six and a half to seven

3201
02:35:08,367 --> 02:35:11,304
stories tall. When I asked the

3202
02:35:11,304 --> 02:35:14,304
question about other trees in

3203
02:35:17,900 --> 02:35:18,200
the area that are 68ft. Chatgpt

3204
02:35:18,200 --> 02:35:20,646
only came up with a few

3205
02:35:20,646 --> 02:35:22,449
examples from the Santa Barbara

3206
02:35:22,449 --> 02:35:26,490
area. Not that part of this

3207
02:35:26,419 --> 02:35:27,920
part of the county. And so

3208
02:35:27,920 --> 02:35:30,320
that's just for information

3209
02:35:30,389 --> 02:35:32,925
sake. But mostly I'm interested

3210
02:35:32,925 --> 02:35:34,761
in really what was done about

3211
02:35:34,761 --> 02:35:37,761
establishing that this had no

3212
02:35:38,698 --> 02:35:40,703
issues or concerns around the

3213
02:35:40,703 --> 02:35:42,318
archeological location of it,

3214
02:35:42,318 --> 02:35:44,718
and the tribal cultural

3215
02:35:50,910 --> 02:35:52,910
resource area. Commissioner,

3216
02:35:53,120 --> 02:35:54,571
Court Commissioner Ford, to the

3217
02:35:54,571 --> 02:35:55,984
Chair We do have a standard

3218
02:35:55,984 --> 02:35:57,750
condition. Whenever there is

3219
02:35:57,750 --> 02:36:00,150
grading, we apply this

3220
02:36:00,653 --> 02:36:01,809
condition in the event that any

3221
02:36:01,809 --> 02:36:03,690
discoveries are made during

3222
02:36:03,690 --> 02:36:04,625
grading, they would have to,

3223
02:36:04,625 --> 02:36:06,653
you know, inform the proper

3224
02:36:06,653 --> 02:36:08,150
agencies for that. So there is

3225
02:36:08,150 --> 02:36:09,718
a condition on there to cover

3226
02:36:09,718 --> 02:36:12,898
that. Do you have any sense for

3227
02:36:12,898 --> 02:36:15,298
whether any other. Developments

3228
02:36:15,401 --> 02:36:17,570
or buildings in the area have

3229
02:36:17,570 --> 02:36:20,570
had concerns or have found

3230
02:36:22,943 --> 02:36:25,943
resources? There are no known

3231
02:36:26,912 --> 02:36:30,512
resources as far as we know.

3232
02:36:31,551 --> 02:36:32,849
Okay. Thanks. Any other

3233
02:36:32,849 --> 02:36:34,849
questions from the

3234
02:36:39,525 --> 02:36:41,694
commissioners? Okay. You ready

3235
02:36:41,694 --> 02:36:43,696
David? MR. Villalobos, are you

3236
02:36:43,696 --> 02:36:48,496
ready for us to open it up to

3237
02:36:49,335 --> 02:36:50,903
the public comment? I think we

3238
02:36:50,903 --> 02:36:52,171
need to ask the applicant if

3239
02:36:52,171 --> 02:36:55,171
they have a presentation first.

3240
02:36:55,675 --> 02:36:57,580
Oh. The applicant. Yes. Okay.

3241
02:36:57,580 --> 02:36:58,711
Sorry about that. I'd like to

3242
02:36:58,711 --> 02:37:02,182
ask the applicant if you have a

3243
02:37:02,182 --> 02:37:04,250
presentation, please. I think

3244
02:37:04,250 --> 02:37:06,185
so, please come up and

3245
02:37:06,185 --> 02:37:07,987
introduce yourself. Good

3246
02:37:07,987 --> 02:37:09,789
morning CHAIRMAN Commissioners.

3247
02:37:09,789 --> 02:37:11,190
Excuse me. I'm cold. My name is

3248
02:37:11,190 --> 02:37:13,727
Jerry Ambrose. I'm here on

3249
02:37:13,727 --> 02:37:15,313
behalf of apc towers. I do not

3250
02:37:15,313 --> 02:37:17,363
have a formal presentation

3251
02:37:17,363 --> 02:37:19,980
above and beyond what staff has

3252
02:37:19,980 --> 02:37:21,667
presented. I think it's a very

3253
02:37:21,667 --> 02:37:23,336
detailed, comprehensive. I'll

3254
02:37:23,336 --> 02:37:25,960
do my best to, I guess, address

3255
02:37:25,960 --> 02:37:27,807
your. Some. You have some

3256
02:37:27,807 --> 02:37:30,807
comments and some questions. No

3257
02:37:31,100 --> 02:37:32,211
particular order. You mentioned

3258
02:37:32,211 --> 02:37:34,246
about the. A number of comments

3259
02:37:34,246 --> 02:37:35,725
or questions about the height

3260
02:37:35,725 --> 02:37:37,883
and the perception of the

3261
02:37:37,883 --> 02:37:39,799
height. So to start, the

3262
02:37:39,799 --> 02:37:41,582
proposed tower is a quarter

3263
02:37:41,582 --> 02:37:43,689
mile, approximately a quarter

3264
02:37:43,689 --> 02:37:45,324
mile from Calvada. So when

3265
02:37:45,324 --> 02:37:46,888
you're looking at it from the

3266
02:37:46,888 --> 02:37:49,660
street, it should look at it

3267
02:37:49,660 --> 02:37:50,504
from that perspective. Also, if

3268
02:37:50,504 --> 02:37:52,599
you've if you've been to the

3269
02:37:52,599 --> 02:37:55,599
property, you know that from

3270
02:37:55,668 --> 02:37:57,236
Calzada, it goes, the property

3271
02:37:57,236 --> 02:37:59,171
kind of goes down. And then at

3272
02:37:59,171 --> 02:38:01,135
where the house is, it goes up

3273
02:38:01,135 --> 02:38:03,417
and then it kind of goes back

3274
02:38:03,417 --> 02:38:05,651
down to where the site where

3275
02:38:05,651 --> 02:38:08,440
the sites are located. Also, if

3276
02:38:08,440 --> 02:38:10,160
you were on site and you were

3277
02:38:10,160 --> 02:38:11,902
looking directly to where the

3278
02:38:11,902 --> 02:38:14,360
tower is going to be located,

3279
02:38:14,360 --> 02:38:17,360
the trees that are immediately

3280
02:38:17,823 --> 02:38:19,959
adjacent, I mean, within about

3281
02:38:19,959 --> 02:38:22,896
50 to 75ft, the tallest tree

3282
02:38:22,896 --> 02:38:25,331
right there is about 50ft high.

3283
02:38:25,331 --> 02:38:28,234
So this would be, you know, 50,

3284
02:38:28,234 --> 02:38:30,113
you know, again, 18ft taller

3285
02:38:30,113 --> 02:38:32,271
than the tallest tree that's

3286
02:38:32,271 --> 02:38:33,641
only about 70ft away. And when

3287
02:38:33,641 --> 02:38:35,495
you're back on Calzada, if

3288
02:38:35,495 --> 02:38:38,440
you're looking to the back of

3289
02:38:38,440 --> 02:38:40,179
the property, that 50 foot tree

3290
02:38:40,179 --> 02:38:41,949
is, is somewhat barely visible.

3291
02:38:41,949 --> 02:38:43,476
If you're standing there,

3292
02:38:43,476 --> 02:38:45,920
you're not going to say, wow,

3293
02:38:45,920 --> 02:38:46,495
that's a 50 foot tree standing

3294
02:38:46,495 --> 02:38:48,387
above everything else. So

3295
02:38:48,387 --> 02:38:51,387
that's just a perspective on

3296
02:38:51,691 --> 02:38:53,158
that. Also, I believe some of

3297
02:38:53,158 --> 02:38:54,701
the the neighbors were

3298
02:38:54,701 --> 02:38:57,101
questioning the validity of

3299
02:38:57,763 --> 02:38:59,565
these photo mock ups, photo

3300
02:38:59,565 --> 02:39:01,450
simulations. We do hire an

3301
02:39:01,450 --> 02:39:02,836
engineering firm to do these,

3302
02:39:02,836 --> 02:39:04,570
you know, precisely. We've had

3303
02:39:04,570 --> 02:39:06,720
them do them for years. We've

3304
02:39:06,720 --> 02:39:09,720
presented them to the county

3305
02:39:10,711 --> 02:39:14,311
for years. So they they are

3306
02:39:14,414 --> 02:39:16,115
accurate. Another question came

3307
02:39:16,115 --> 02:39:17,452
up about, I believe, the

3308
02:39:17,452 --> 02:39:18,539
reference or the questions

3309
02:39:18,539 --> 02:39:19,863
about, hey, are there any

3310
02:39:19,863 --> 02:39:21,687
existing towers? I believe

3311
02:39:21,687 --> 02:39:24,560
you're probably asking about,

3312
02:39:24,560 --> 02:39:25,458
hey, are there co-location

3313
02:39:25,458 --> 02:39:27,458
opportunities in this

3314
02:39:28,761 --> 02:39:31,161
particular case? T-Mobile is

3315
02:39:31,231 --> 02:39:34,660
contracted with a pc towers. A

3316
02:39:34,660 --> 02:39:36,269
pc towers is a what we refer to

3317
02:39:36,269 --> 02:39:38,771
as a tower company that they

3318
02:39:38,771 --> 02:39:40,607
market towers for for

3319
02:39:40,607 --> 02:39:42,410
co-location. So because

3320
02:39:42,410 --> 02:39:44,441
t-Mobile has an exclusive

3321
02:39:45,311 --> 02:39:47,179
contract with a pc towers,

3322
02:39:47,179 --> 02:39:49,549
t-Mobile is not looking or

3323
02:39:49,549 --> 02:39:51,418
cannot co-locate with any other

3324
02:39:51,418 --> 02:39:53,586
tower in the vicinity. So we

3325
02:39:53,586 --> 02:39:55,755
had to look for a location

3326
02:39:55,755 --> 02:39:57,823
where a pc could build a new

3327
02:39:57,823 --> 02:40:00,459
tower. And again, if this gets

3328
02:40:00,459 --> 02:40:02,528
approved, it will be marketed

3329
02:40:02,528 --> 02:40:04,928
essentially to t-Mobile. I'm

3330
02:40:10,202 --> 02:40:12,255
sorry. Sorry. Verizon and at&t.

3331
02:40:12,255 --> 02:40:13,456
Also, I did read the letter.

3332
02:40:13,456 --> 02:40:14,822
The letters that I could read

3333
02:40:14,822 --> 02:40:16,375
or did read had an opportunity

3334
02:40:16,375 --> 02:40:18,244
to read. There were a lot again,

3335
02:40:18,244 --> 02:40:20,580
a lot of questions. Back to the

3336
02:40:20,580 --> 02:40:22,783
question about views and views

3337
02:40:22,783 --> 02:40:24,695
from essentially from private

3338
02:40:24,695 --> 02:40:26,352
property. So when we go out and

3339
02:40:26,352 --> 02:40:28,487
we look for for a site location,

3340
02:40:28,487 --> 02:40:31,758
one of the factors we consider

3341
02:40:31,758 --> 02:40:33,693
is minimizing public views. The

3342
02:40:33,693 --> 02:40:36,930
county county code, almost

3343
02:40:37,960 --> 02:40:39,232
every city or county code has

3344
02:40:39,232 --> 02:40:41,632
statements or findings about

3345
02:40:42,168 --> 02:40:43,704
minimizing views from public

3346
02:40:43,704 --> 02:40:45,100
roadways. So in this case,

3347
02:40:45,100 --> 02:40:47,100
again, we're we're

3348
02:40:47,139 --> 02:40:49,343
approximately a quarter mile

3349
02:40:49,343 --> 02:40:52,343
from from the nearest public

3350
02:40:52,979 --> 02:40:55,481
road. So in our opinion, and as

3351
02:40:55,481 --> 02:40:58,318
staff supports the project, we

3352
02:40:58,318 --> 02:41:01,587
are meeting that that that goal

3353
02:41:01,587 --> 02:41:04,900
of the county to minimize

3354
02:41:04,900 --> 02:41:07,690
visual views or views from a

3355
02:41:10,263 --> 02:41:12,492
public roads and excuse me also,

3356
02:41:12,492 --> 02:41:14,819
I just have a question about

3357
02:41:14,819 --> 02:41:17,249
the item of tabling the letters

3358
02:41:17,249 --> 02:41:19,616
that came in late. Is there an

3359
02:41:19,616 --> 02:41:21,745
opportunity for the person who

3360
02:41:21,745 --> 02:41:23,956
wrote that letter to, I guess,

3361
02:41:23,956 --> 02:41:25,974
speak, speak those concerns in

3362
02:41:25,974 --> 02:41:28,195
public testimony today that

3363
02:41:28,195 --> 02:41:30,510
would that way everyone can

3364
02:41:30,510 --> 02:41:32,436
hear what they are and we can

3365
02:41:32,436 --> 02:41:34,880
react accordingly as long as

3366
02:41:34,880 --> 02:41:36,564
they're here. Yes. Oh, okay.

3367
02:41:36,564 --> 02:41:37,597
Online or online. Yes. Thank

3368
02:41:37,597 --> 02:41:39,107
you. Yeah. That's all I had.

3369
02:41:39,107 --> 02:41:40,330
For now. I'm here to answer any

3370
02:41:40,330 --> 02:41:41,742
additional questions you MAY

3371
02:41:41,742 --> 02:41:42,893
have. Okay, I see Commissioner

3372
02:41:42,893 --> 02:41:44,218
Martinez has lit up and I also

3373
02:41:44,218 --> 02:41:45,348
have some questions, but

3374
02:41:45,348 --> 02:41:47,348
Commissioner Martinez. Yes.

3375
02:41:47,634 --> 02:41:50,280
Good morning. My question is in

3376
02:41:50,280 --> 02:41:52,270
regards to the height of the

3377
02:41:52,270 --> 02:41:53,868
tower, how is that arrived at?

3378
02:41:53,868 --> 02:41:55,119
Is there is there a

3379
02:41:55,119 --> 02:41:56,464
topographical geographical

3380
02:41:56,464 --> 02:41:57,965
concerns that that dictates the

3381
02:41:57,965 --> 02:41:59,840
height? There's a ton of

3382
02:41:59,840 --> 02:42:01,777
different things. Yeah. All all

3383
02:42:01,777 --> 02:42:03,940
of those combined. So t-Mobile

3384
02:42:03,940 --> 02:42:05,734
has a what we call a

3385
02:42:05,734 --> 02:42:07,372
significant gap in coverage, a

3386
02:42:07,372 --> 02:42:08,986
hole in their network, and they

3387
02:42:08,986 --> 02:42:10,629
determine the height that's

3388
02:42:10,629 --> 02:42:12,323
needed to close. We call close

3389
02:42:12,323 --> 02:42:14,107
that significant gap in

3390
02:42:14,107 --> 02:42:16,181
coverage. Sometimes it's 50ft,

3391
02:42:16,181 --> 02:42:18,980
sometimes it's. I have a

3392
02:42:18,980 --> 02:42:19,826
project in slo County right now.

3393
02:42:19,826 --> 02:42:21,207
It's 120ft. So it's contingent

3394
02:42:21,207 --> 02:42:23,364
on a bunch of factors. But the

3395
02:42:23,364 --> 02:42:25,838
idea is to close that that gap

3396
02:42:25,838 --> 02:42:28,441
in coverage. And in this case,

3397
02:42:28,441 --> 02:42:30,770
although it's 68ft, the

3398
02:42:30,770 --> 02:42:31,978
antennas are a little bit lower

3399
02:42:31,978 --> 02:42:34,978
than that. Also remember, also

3400
02:42:35,548 --> 02:42:37,717
remember the antennas are the

3401
02:42:37,717 --> 02:42:39,382
antennas are eight feet high.

3402
02:42:39,382 --> 02:42:41,339
So they're tall antennas so

3403
02:42:41,339 --> 02:42:43,890
that the center or whatever is

3404
02:42:43,890 --> 02:42:47,289
going to be lower than the the

3405
02:42:47,761 --> 02:42:50,161
68ft. Okay. Thank you.

3406
02:42:51,764 --> 02:42:53,532
Commissioner Park. I'm going to

3407
02:42:53,532 --> 02:42:55,932
ask some questions about

3408
02:43:00,440 --> 02:43:02,840
location, MR. Ambrose. Normally

3409
02:43:03,976 --> 02:43:05,444
I'll see a site study and it'll

3410
02:43:05,444 --> 02:43:07,713
address other alternatives and

3411
02:43:07,713 --> 02:43:08,814
why they work or don't work.

3412
02:43:08,814 --> 02:43:10,951
Yeah. That's in the staff

3413
02:43:10,951 --> 02:43:12,718
report and it's in and it's in

3414
02:43:12,718 --> 02:43:14,720
the it's in the electromagnetic

3415
02:43:14,720 --> 02:43:16,523
report. It's more abbreviated

3416
02:43:16,523 --> 02:43:18,457
than I'm used to seeing, but at

3417
02:43:18,457 --> 02:43:19,825
least it has that. And I

3418
02:43:19,825 --> 02:43:21,694
noticed that all of those

3419
02:43:21,694 --> 02:43:25,294
addresses, as far as I could

3420
02:43:25,598 --> 02:43:28,502
determine, were to the west of

3421
02:43:28,502 --> 02:43:29,936
highway 154. They were

3422
02:43:29,936 --> 02:43:31,471
basically all similar

3423
02:43:31,471 --> 02:43:33,475
properties in terms of zoning,

3424
02:43:33,475 --> 02:43:35,870
because in that what we call

3425
02:43:35,870 --> 02:43:37,622
the heart of the Valley, it's

3426
02:43:37,622 --> 02:43:40,650
mostly ag one. There's maybe 1

3427
02:43:40,650 --> 02:43:41,924
or 2 ag two parcels, but it's

3428
02:43:41,924 --> 02:43:43,965
all ag one. They're smaller.

3429
02:43:43,965 --> 02:43:46,209
And that's probably why you got

3430
02:43:46,209 --> 02:43:48,749
rejected is on those sites

3431
02:43:48,749 --> 02:43:50,801
because people would say, well,

3432
02:43:50,801 --> 02:43:52,447
I don't want it next to my

3433
02:43:52,447 --> 02:43:54,147
house and I've got a house

3434
02:43:54,147 --> 02:43:55,643
that's on ten acres or five

3435
02:43:55,643 --> 02:43:57,614
acres. But I also noticed on

3436
02:43:57,614 --> 02:43:59,117
the coverage map that a great

3437
02:43:59,117 --> 02:44:01,282
deal of what would be improved

3438
02:44:01,282 --> 02:44:03,936
in service is, in fact, on the

3439
02:44:03,936 --> 02:44:05,760
east side of highway 154, where

3440
02:44:05,760 --> 02:44:07,864
the zoning is quite different.

3441
02:44:07,864 --> 02:44:10,610
It's all ag to much larger

3442
02:44:10,610 --> 02:44:13,610
parcels, little hillier, and it

3443
02:44:15,470 --> 02:44:18,647
has. Very few houses in terms

3444
02:44:19,752 --> 02:44:22,855
of the density. And in answer

3445
02:44:22,855 --> 02:44:24,624
to the question about the trees,

3446
02:44:24,624 --> 02:44:27,240
there are other eucalyptus

3447
02:44:28,261 --> 02:44:31,797
trees. They're more on the east

3448
02:44:31,797 --> 02:44:35,397
side of 154 than the west side.

3449
02:44:35,736 --> 02:44:37,604
They're tend to be in the huge

3450
02:44:37,604 --> 02:44:40,720
right of way that Caltrans has

3451
02:44:40,720 --> 02:44:44,844
or next to it. Okay, so more or

3452
02:44:44,844 --> 02:44:46,245
less lining the highway. And

3453
02:44:46,245 --> 02:44:47,747
but once you get into the

3454
02:44:47,747 --> 02:44:50,583
interior of the valley, it's of

3455
02:44:50,583 --> 02:44:53,520
course dominated by oak trees

3456
02:44:53,520 --> 02:44:54,259
and, and as, as MR. Ambrose

3457
02:44:54,259 --> 02:44:55,955
testified, you know, some of

3458
02:44:55,955 --> 02:44:58,557
the really large ones, some of

3459
02:44:58,557 --> 02:45:00,526
the, the, the valley oaks can

3460
02:45:00,526 --> 02:45:02,229
hit 50ft high, but they don't

3461
02:45:02,229 --> 02:45:04,297
reach the heights of the

3462
02:45:04,297 --> 02:45:06,650
eucalyptus. So I, I believe I

3463
02:45:06,650 --> 02:45:08,567
was not measuring them with the

3464
02:45:08,567 --> 02:45:11,404
tape, but that there are trees

3465
02:45:11,404 --> 02:45:12,872
of this magnitude that are

3466
02:45:12,872 --> 02:45:15,272
eucalyptus, but they're not

3467
02:45:16,575 --> 02:45:20,175
where this is oddly, I think

3468
02:45:20,813 --> 02:45:22,615
the gold property. Just to the

3469
02:45:22,615 --> 02:45:25,484
south of this property, there

3470
02:45:25,484 --> 02:45:27,153
is one tall tree that sort of

3471
02:45:27,153 --> 02:45:28,354
sticks out. It's a palm tree. I

3472
02:45:28,354 --> 02:45:31,954
don't know how it got there,

3473
02:45:32,291 --> 02:45:34,930
but it happens. So my my

3474
02:45:34,930 --> 02:45:37,930
question for you, MR. Ambrose,

3475
02:45:38,865 --> 02:45:41,667
is given that. An antenna on

3476
02:45:41,667 --> 02:45:44,570
the east side would affect the

3477
02:45:44,570 --> 02:45:47,570
same coverage area per your

3478
02:45:49,676 --> 02:45:51,811
maps and. Could be located on

3479
02:45:51,811 --> 02:45:55,348
on a hill instead of down in a

3480
02:45:55,348 --> 02:45:57,450
ravine, and could be grouped

3481
02:45:57,450 --> 02:46:00,486
with large trees of the nature

3482
02:46:00,486 --> 02:46:02,221
of this one. Why didn't you

3483
02:46:02,221 --> 02:46:05,570
look at alternative sites on

3484
02:46:05,570 --> 02:46:08,657
that east side on those larger

3485
02:46:09,395 --> 02:46:10,830
parcels? So. The way you

3486
02:46:10,830 --> 02:46:11,998
present that is a very like a

3487
02:46:11,998 --> 02:46:13,866
simple, you know, looking at

3488
02:46:13,866 --> 02:46:15,768
looking at the map and say, put

3489
02:46:15,768 --> 02:46:16,936
it here, put it there, put it.

3490
02:46:16,936 --> 02:46:18,839
But that's it's, it's way more

3491
02:46:18,839 --> 02:46:21,307
complicated than that. It's an

3492
02:46:21,307 --> 02:46:23,420
engineering design. This tower

3493
02:46:23,420 --> 02:46:24,877
also has to communicate with

3494
02:46:24,877 --> 02:46:27,877
existing towers that are also

3495
02:46:28,114 --> 02:46:31,830
on the map. You also have

3496
02:46:31,830 --> 02:46:33,200
density of population needs. So

3497
02:46:33,200 --> 02:46:34,587
this side of the highway is a

3498
02:46:34,587 --> 02:46:36,355
lot more dense. And you

3499
02:46:36,355 --> 02:46:38,958
probably know t-Mobile has a

3500
02:46:38,958 --> 02:46:40,260
direct to home internet service,

3501
02:46:40,260 --> 02:46:42,895
which means they're going to

3502
02:46:42,895 --> 02:46:46,899
need to be close to, to where

3503
02:46:46,899 --> 02:46:48,934
the the residences are. So if

3504
02:46:48,934 --> 02:46:50,136
we followed that, if that were

3505
02:46:50,136 --> 02:46:52,380
to go, let's go look on the

3506
02:46:52,380 --> 02:46:53,105
other side of the highway. Well,

3507
02:46:53,105 --> 02:46:55,410
then we're going to need a

3508
02:46:55,410 --> 02:46:56,242
second tower on the west side

3509
02:46:56,242 --> 02:46:58,144
of the highway then. Probably.

3510
02:46:58,144 --> 02:46:59,212
So, you know, I don't know. I'm

3511
02:46:59,212 --> 02:47:01,480
just speculating like I think

3512
02:47:01,480 --> 02:47:02,950
you are because yeah, I know

3513
02:47:02,950 --> 02:47:04,951
it's if it's on the east side,

3514
02:47:04,951 --> 02:47:05,952
it's going to be on a hill. So

3515
02:47:05,952 --> 02:47:07,540
you'll, you'll have an

3516
02:47:07,540 --> 02:47:08,955
advantage in coverage that way.

3517
02:47:08,955 --> 02:47:10,230
Yeah. But if it's only a few

3518
02:47:10,230 --> 02:47:11,724
hundred yards away, it's not

3519
02:47:11,724 --> 02:47:12,792
that simple. I'm not an

3520
02:47:12,792 --> 02:47:15,792
engineer, but it's just not

3521
02:47:15,962 --> 02:47:17,463
that simple. Like we can't have

3522
02:47:17,463 --> 02:47:19,863
counties or cities dictating

3523
02:47:19,966 --> 02:47:22,134
where towers should go based on

3524
02:47:22,134 --> 02:47:23,536
it's, it's not like it's an

3525
02:47:23,536 --> 02:47:25,536
engineered determination. But,

3526
02:47:25,638 --> 02:47:28,207
you know, I think that we more

3527
02:47:28,207 --> 02:47:29,208
or less have to approve a site

3528
02:47:29,208 --> 02:47:30,376
somewhere. That's just how

3529
02:47:30,376 --> 02:47:31,944
these things work out. And I've

3530
02:47:31,944 --> 02:47:33,279
been doing this for several

3531
02:47:33,279 --> 02:47:35,348
years, but we have some

3532
02:47:35,348 --> 02:47:37,583
latitude on just where they are

3533
02:47:37,583 --> 02:47:39,850
and what they look like. And,

3534
02:47:39,850 --> 02:47:40,720
and, you know, I can look at

3535
02:47:40,720 --> 02:47:42,655
the people in the audience, I

3536
02:47:42,655 --> 02:47:43,823
can look at the letters and say,

3537
02:47:43,823 --> 02:47:44,991
folks, we're going to have to

3538
02:47:44,991 --> 02:47:46,692
approve one somewhere. That's

3539
02:47:46,692 --> 02:47:48,761
just how it's going to work.

3540
02:47:48,761 --> 02:47:50,300
But, but I got to do my job and

3541
02:47:50,300 --> 02:47:53,300
ask on their behalf, understood

3542
02:47:53,990 --> 02:47:55,268
why we couldn't revise the

3543
02:47:55,268 --> 02:47:56,703
height or the location or

3544
02:47:56,703 --> 02:47:59,703
whatever. And I'm familiar with

3545
02:47:59,905 --> 02:48:03,142
the apc easement in property it

3546
02:48:03,142 --> 02:48:07,342
has on what was the brand Kino

3547
02:48:10,349 --> 02:48:12,485
Ranch on Foxen and, and and 154,

3548
02:48:12,485 --> 02:48:15,485
which has a large congregation

3549
02:48:16,489 --> 02:48:17,890
of co-located towers. So I get

3550
02:48:17,890 --> 02:48:19,792
all that stuff, but I but I got

3551
02:48:19,792 --> 02:48:21,600
to ask these questions and, and

3552
02:48:21,600 --> 02:48:22,863
I've got to determine, I've got

3553
02:48:22,863 --> 02:48:25,980
to make a finding that there's

3554
02:48:25,980 --> 02:48:27,233
a compatibility in the

3555
02:48:27,233 --> 02:48:29,835
neighborhood. And if no one's

3556
02:48:29,835 --> 02:48:32,471
even asked whether one of these

3557
02:48:32,471 --> 02:48:33,639
other sites is suitable, it's

3558
02:48:33,639 --> 02:48:35,474
hard for me to make that

3559
02:48:35,474 --> 02:48:36,475
finding. So that's why I asked.

3560
02:48:36,475 --> 02:48:38,178
Understood. Yeah, totally. Okay.

3561
02:48:38,178 --> 02:48:40,947
I appreciate your candor and

3562
02:48:40,947 --> 02:48:44,547
thank you. Also, just a quick

3563
02:48:44,750 --> 02:48:46,352
comment on that. So if counties

3564
02:48:46,352 --> 02:48:48,454
and cities were dictating where,

3565
02:48:48,454 --> 02:48:49,588
where, you know, just on a map

3566
02:48:49,588 --> 02:48:51,457
where sites should go, there's

3567
02:48:51,457 --> 02:48:52,892
no nothing saying that if the

3568
02:48:52,892 --> 02:48:54,628
county thinks it should go over

3569
02:48:54,628 --> 02:48:55,695
here now, there's other

3570
02:48:55,695 --> 02:48:57,196
neighbors or people over here

3571
02:48:57,196 --> 02:48:58,331
who have concerns with that

3572
02:48:58,331 --> 02:49:00,766
location. Why don't you go back

3573
02:49:00,766 --> 02:49:02,568
to that location? So it's a

3574
02:49:02,568 --> 02:49:03,769
slippery slope, I guess, if it

3575
02:49:03,769 --> 02:49:05,771
is. And that's why I think if

3576
02:49:05,771 --> 02:49:07,773
we go to the west and we stay

3577
02:49:07,773 --> 02:49:09,576
in the heart of the valley with

3578
02:49:09,576 --> 02:49:10,711
all five acre and ten acre

3579
02:49:10,711 --> 02:49:12,678
zoning, you're going to get the

3580
02:49:12,678 --> 02:49:13,746
same answer. And and if we move

3581
02:49:13,746 --> 02:49:15,549
it there, there's going to be

3582
02:49:15,549 --> 02:49:16,816
people that object. But that's

3583
02:49:16,816 --> 02:49:18,651
why I think we should look on

3584
02:49:18,651 --> 02:49:19,752
the East side. And I think

3585
02:49:19,752 --> 02:49:21,621
that's what the latitude of

3586
02:49:21,621 --> 02:49:22,656
what we can do, where there are

3587
02:49:22,656 --> 02:49:23,757
much larger parcels. Yeah.

3588
02:49:23,757 --> 02:49:25,558
Again, our direction where they

3589
02:49:25,558 --> 02:49:26,760
would be hidden by trees and

3590
02:49:26,760 --> 02:49:27,793
hills. And I would think your

3591
02:49:27,793 --> 02:49:30,296
engineers would love the fact

3592
02:49:30,296 --> 02:49:32,465
that they're there. But this is

3593
02:49:32,465 --> 02:49:33,900
not for us to have a dialog, an

3594
02:49:33,900 --> 02:49:35,234
official hearing. So let's

3595
02:49:35,234 --> 02:49:36,769
proceed. Okay. We're going to

3596
02:49:36,769 --> 02:49:38,437
move on to Commissioner Ford's

3597
02:49:38,437 --> 02:49:40,600
questions. And then I also have

3598
02:49:40,600 --> 02:49:42,174
a few questions. Sure. Thanks.

3599
02:49:42,174 --> 02:49:43,843
I just want to maybe you

3600
02:49:43,843 --> 02:49:46,112
addressed it, but if once again,

3601
02:49:46,112 --> 02:49:47,980
you could say why it has to be

3602
02:49:47,980 --> 02:49:50,980
68ft. I'm concerned about the

3603
02:49:50,983 --> 02:49:52,218
height. So again, it's you know,

3604
02:49:52,218 --> 02:49:53,654
there's thousands of towers

3605
02:49:53,654 --> 02:49:54,754
right everywhere. Yes, I

3606
02:49:54,754 --> 02:49:56,422
understand, but not in that

3607
02:49:56,422 --> 02:49:58,691
area. It's not that high. It's

3608
02:49:58,691 --> 02:50:02,291
all dictated by the gap in

3609
02:50:03,329 --> 02:50:05,329
coverage, geography, trees,

3610
02:50:07,330 --> 02:50:08,734
structures, hills. A number of

3611
02:50:08,734 --> 02:50:09,869
different factors go into what

3612
02:50:09,869 --> 02:50:11,300
the height is. There's towers

3613
02:50:11,300 --> 02:50:12,706
that are 50ft. There's towers

3614
02:50:12,706 --> 02:50:15,241
that are 45ft. I mentioned I

3615
02:50:15,241 --> 02:50:18,345
have one in Nipomo now. It's

3616
02:50:18,345 --> 02:50:21,470
120ft. Based on the specifics

3617
02:50:21,470 --> 02:50:22,148
of of the given area. I mean,

3618
02:50:22,148 --> 02:50:23,917
there's cell sites on top of

3619
02:50:23,917 --> 02:50:25,419
this roof that I'm guessing

3620
02:50:25,419 --> 02:50:27,819
that's 45ft, something like

3621
02:50:27,987 --> 02:50:31,457
that. Hi. So it's a very case

3622
02:50:31,457 --> 02:50:33,857
by case, project specific

3623
02:50:34,727 --> 02:50:36,562
location contingent. And that's

3624
02:50:36,562 --> 02:50:38,664
evidence. The evidence for that

3625
02:50:38,664 --> 02:50:41,664
is the propagation maps that

3626
02:50:42,100 --> 02:50:43,769
show how the signal propagates.

3627
02:50:43,769 --> 02:50:45,538
If we had a lower height, you

3628
02:50:45,538 --> 02:50:46,373
would see that the gap in

3629
02:50:46,373 --> 02:50:48,400
coverage would not be filled.

3630
02:50:48,400 --> 02:50:50,176
You would still have this

3631
02:50:50,176 --> 02:50:52,576
periphery of, you know,

3632
02:50:52,778 --> 02:50:54,181
basically no coverage zone. And

3633
02:50:54,181 --> 02:50:55,948
there's no point in building a

3634
02:50:55,948 --> 02:50:57,783
tower leaving, leaving more

3635
02:50:57,783 --> 02:51:00,620
gaps in coverage within that

3636
02:51:00,620 --> 02:51:03,620
area. So, well, there's still

3637
02:51:03,623 --> 02:51:05,792
even when it goes in, there'll

3638
02:51:05,792 --> 02:51:08,894
be some zones that are not

3639
02:51:08,894 --> 02:51:11,894
covered. Right. I'm sorry, I'm

3640
02:51:12,499 --> 02:51:15,100
sorry. The red. Service area

3641
02:51:15,100 --> 02:51:17,803
will not still meet the needs

3642
02:51:17,803 --> 02:51:20,773
of every area in no. The way

3643
02:51:20,773 --> 02:51:21,941
technology works today, you

3644
02:51:21,941 --> 02:51:23,776
know, your coverage area is

3645
02:51:23,776 --> 02:51:25,110
about a mile and a quarter mile

3646
02:51:25,110 --> 02:51:26,346
and a half. That's just with

3647
02:51:26,346 --> 02:51:28,247
the new technology, everything

3648
02:51:28,247 --> 02:51:29,716
has to be more dense, more

3649
02:51:29,716 --> 02:51:31,117
closer. You can't just put one

3650
02:51:31,117 --> 02:51:32,718
tower on a hill and cover, you

3651
02:51:32,718 --> 02:51:33,986
know, five miles anymore. It

3652
02:51:33,986 --> 02:51:36,188
doesn't work like that. It's

3653
02:51:36,188 --> 02:51:38,691
very, very condensed in terms

3654
02:51:38,691 --> 02:51:40,127
of the technology and how how

3655
02:51:40,127 --> 02:51:41,794
close the towers need to be to

3656
02:51:41,794 --> 02:51:45,394
where the people that are being

3657
02:51:45,931 --> 02:51:47,500
served live and work. Okay. I

3658
02:51:47,500 --> 02:51:48,601
just think it would have been

3659
02:51:48,601 --> 02:51:50,202
interesting to see what a 50

3660
02:51:50,202 --> 02:51:53,202
foot tower would have covered.

3661
02:51:53,839 --> 02:51:54,941
We we can certainly run a

3662
02:51:54,941 --> 02:51:56,842
propagation map at a lower

3663
02:51:56,842 --> 02:51:58,511
height and show that to to the

3664
02:51:58,511 --> 02:52:00,314
county or to your commission.

3665
02:52:00,314 --> 02:52:01,815
Thanks. Okay. MR. Ambrose, I

3666
02:52:01,815 --> 02:52:04,283
have one comment relative to

3667
02:52:04,283 --> 02:52:05,685
the 120 foot tree in Nipomo. I

3668
02:52:05,685 --> 02:52:07,486
also know that there are lots

3669
02:52:07,486 --> 02:52:09,289
of eucalyptus trees of that

3670
02:52:09,289 --> 02:52:11,900
same height, so getting it to

3671
02:52:11,900 --> 02:52:13,590
blend in with the eucalyptus

3672
02:52:13,590 --> 02:52:14,161
eucalyptus grove is much easier

3673
02:52:14,161 --> 02:52:16,620
than the problem that we have

3674
02:52:16,620 --> 02:52:17,196
here in the Santa Ynez Valley.

3675
02:52:17,196 --> 02:52:18,931
Because as the pictures had

3676
02:52:18,931 --> 02:52:20,660
showed us, there aren't a lot

3677
02:52:20,660 --> 02:52:23,336
of trees around it, so it's

3678
02:52:23,336 --> 02:52:25,137
going to stand out on its own.

3679
02:52:25,137 --> 02:52:26,539
I, I didn't quite understand

3680
02:52:26,539 --> 02:52:27,740
something you said, so I'm just

3681
02:52:27,740 --> 02:52:30,142
going to ask you if you could

3682
02:52:30,142 --> 02:52:32,411
clarify for me relative to this,

3683
02:52:32,411 --> 02:52:36,110
this location being a t mobile

3684
02:52:36,616 --> 02:52:39,585
site, Verizon and at&t could

3685
02:52:39,585 --> 02:52:41,387
also utilize service. Now,

3686
02:52:41,387 --> 02:52:44,924
would they use the same pole or

3687
02:52:44,924 --> 02:52:47,460
would they add additional poles?

3688
02:52:47,460 --> 02:52:48,828
They. So a pc towers would

3689
02:52:48,828 --> 02:52:50,329
market this tower. If it were

3690
02:52:50,329 --> 02:52:52,164
approved and built, they would

3691
02:52:52,164 --> 02:52:53,633
market it to the other carriers

3692
02:52:53,633 --> 02:52:55,401
and the idea would be the

3693
02:52:55,401 --> 02:52:56,836
carriers would join on to this

3694
02:52:56,836 --> 02:52:57,937
pole. Okay, so the neighbors

3695
02:52:57,937 --> 02:53:00,107
wouldn't have to worry about

3696
02:53:00,107 --> 02:53:01,841
you adding two more additional

3697
02:53:01,841 --> 02:53:04,430
poles on the same piece of

3698
02:53:04,430 --> 02:53:06,178
property to create a three pole

3699
02:53:06,178 --> 02:53:07,581
site. Would they correct. Yeah.

3700
02:53:07,581 --> 02:53:09,482
The they're going to market

3701
02:53:09,482 --> 02:53:11,550
this particular tower. And

3702
02:53:11,550 --> 02:53:12,752
again, it's up to it's up to

3703
02:53:12,752 --> 02:53:14,587
Verizon and at&t if they can

3704
02:53:14,587 --> 02:53:15,721
make it work for them. If not

3705
02:53:15,721 --> 02:53:17,658
that, they would have to go

3706
02:53:17,658 --> 02:53:19,159
somewhere else. Our. If you'll

3707
02:53:19,159 --> 02:53:20,826
notice, our lease area at the

3708
02:53:20,826 --> 02:53:22,610
bottom of the tower is much

3709
02:53:22,610 --> 02:53:24,297
larger than you're used to

3710
02:53:24,297 --> 02:53:26,233
seeing. Yes, 30ft by 30ft. And

3711
02:53:26,233 --> 02:53:27,800
the purpose of that is to allow

3712
02:53:27,800 --> 02:53:30,200
other carriers equipment within

3713
02:53:30,670 --> 02:53:32,471
that fenced area. Okay.

3714
02:53:32,471 --> 02:53:34,871
Equipment, but not additional

3715
02:53:35,700 --> 02:53:36,175
towers, correct? Yes. Okay.

3716
02:53:36,175 --> 02:53:37,944
Then the last question that I

3717
02:53:37,944 --> 02:53:39,512
have, just out of curiosity,

3718
02:53:39,512 --> 02:53:41,581
have you met with the neighbors

3719
02:53:41,581 --> 02:53:42,815
by any chance to get any input

3720
02:53:42,815 --> 02:53:44,584
about what would work or what

3721
02:53:44,584 --> 02:53:45,818
doesn't work for them? We have

3722
02:53:45,818 --> 02:53:48,655
not met with the neighbors.

3723
02:53:48,655 --> 02:53:50,289
Okay. And also the owner of the

3724
02:53:50,289 --> 02:53:51,457
property is the owner of the

3725
02:53:51,457 --> 02:53:52,992
property here, or are you just

3726
02:53:52,992 --> 02:53:55,392
here representing them? I'm

3727
02:53:55,861 --> 02:53:57,196
curious just because one of the

3728
02:53:57,196 --> 02:53:58,798
letters stated that I don't

3729
02:53:58,798 --> 02:54:00,499
owner of the property rents out

3730
02:54:00,499 --> 02:54:01,634
the home. So if they don't live

3731
02:54:01,634 --> 02:54:03,402
in this area, they might not

3732
02:54:03,402 --> 02:54:04,537
have the same concerns they

3733
02:54:04,537 --> 02:54:06,439
live in. She lives in Santa

3734
02:54:06,439 --> 02:54:08,750
Ynez, but she does not live on

3735
02:54:08,750 --> 02:54:09,542
the property. Correct. Okay.

3736
02:54:09,542 --> 02:54:12,780
They've owned it for like 150

3737
02:54:12,780 --> 02:54:13,245
years. Some some very long time.

3738
02:54:13,245 --> 02:54:15,681
Okay. Thank you. Are there any

3739
02:54:15,681 --> 02:54:18,681
other questions before we open

3740
02:54:19,185 --> 02:54:20,953
up for public comment? No. Okay.

3741
02:54:20,953 --> 02:54:23,953
Thank you. MR. Thank you.

3742
02:54:26,590 --> 02:54:28,227
Appreciate it. MR. Villalobos.

3743
02:54:28,227 --> 02:54:31,231
Thank you, MR. Chair. So I have

3744
02:54:31,231 --> 02:54:33,699
one, two, four speaker slips

3745
02:54:33,699 --> 02:54:36,870
and then one request online. So

3746
02:54:36,870 --> 02:54:38,638
if you wanted to speak and you

3747
02:54:38,638 --> 02:54:41,974
have a slip, just make sure it

3748
02:54:41,974 --> 02:54:44,977
gets up here. We'll go to our

3749
02:54:44,977 --> 02:54:47,681
in person speakers first. The

3750
02:54:47,681 --> 02:54:49,515
first speaker will be Darren

3751
02:54:49,515 --> 02:54:50,883
Friedman to be followed by, I

3752
02:54:50,883 --> 02:54:53,219
believe that says Michael

3753
02:54:53,219 --> 02:54:54,520
McConnell. And then, MR. Chair,

3754
02:54:54,520 --> 02:54:56,323
I think before we start, we

3755
02:54:56,323 --> 02:54:58,124
should just indicate like how

3756
02:54:58,124 --> 02:55:00,593
much time each speaker will be

3757
02:55:00,593 --> 02:55:02,993
receiving. Each person will

3758
02:55:04,664 --> 02:55:07,233
receive three minutes to speak.

3759
02:55:07,233 --> 02:55:10,833
Okay, so, MR. Friedman, if you

3760
02:55:12,171 --> 02:55:14,807
could come to the microphone.

3761
02:55:14,807 --> 02:55:16,843
Good morning. Thank you. My

3762
02:55:16,843 --> 02:55:20,790
name is Darren Friedman. I live

3763
02:55:20,790 --> 02:55:22,248
at 1475 Edison Street, which is

3764
02:55:22,248 --> 02:55:23,649
less than half a mile from the

3765
02:55:23,649 --> 02:55:25,584
proposed site. And I'm here to

3766
02:55:25,584 --> 02:55:27,321
strongly oppose this case. I'd

3767
02:55:27,321 --> 02:55:28,754
like to add, just for

3768
02:55:28,754 --> 02:55:30,523
clarification, that because

3769
02:55:30,523 --> 02:55:32,358
these properties are big

3770
02:55:32,358 --> 02:55:34,160
rectangles, the perspective

3771
02:55:34,160 --> 02:55:35,896
from Calzada, from Edison is

3772
02:55:35,896 --> 02:55:37,863
not actually accurate because

3773
02:55:37,863 --> 02:55:40,863
the back property line, the

3774
02:55:42,435 --> 02:55:43,836
rear property line of both, is

3775
02:55:43,836 --> 02:55:46,600
much closer to where the tower

3776
02:55:46,600 --> 02:55:48,174
is. So these are literally in

3777
02:55:48,174 --> 02:55:50,420
our backyard. I'd specifically

3778
02:55:50,420 --> 02:55:52,144
like to address the impact on

3779
02:55:52,144 --> 02:55:53,412
the broader neighborhood, the

3780
02:55:53,412 --> 02:55:54,714
terrain, the open sightlines,

3781
02:55:54,714 --> 02:55:56,482
and why the visual impact of

3782
02:55:56,482 --> 02:55:57,918
this tower extends well beyond

3783
02:55:57,918 --> 02:55:59,918
the properties immediately

3784
02:56:00,520 --> 02:56:01,887
surrounding the site. I should

3785
02:56:01,887 --> 02:56:03,623
also say, for the record, that

3786
02:56:03,623 --> 02:56:05,792
I do have concerns about long

3787
02:56:05,792 --> 02:56:07,194
term rf exposure, particularly

3788
02:56:07,194 --> 02:56:09,428
when these facilities are

3789
02:56:09,428 --> 02:56:10,830
placed near homes and families.

3790
02:56:10,830 --> 02:56:12,530
But I understand the

3791
02:56:12,530 --> 02:56:14,100
limitations of the county's

3792
02:56:14,100 --> 02:56:15,534
authority in that area. And so

3793
02:56:15,534 --> 02:56:17,270
this meeting is more about the

3794
02:56:17,270 --> 02:56:19,138
other effects. One of the

3795
02:56:19,138 --> 02:56:21,138
defining characteristics of

3796
02:56:21,741 --> 02:56:23,750
this area is its openness, the

3797
02:56:23,750 --> 02:56:24,543
terrain and relatively low

3798
02:56:24,543 --> 02:56:26,680
density of development create

3799
02:56:26,680 --> 02:56:28,481
long, uninterrupted views from

3800
02:56:28,481 --> 02:56:30,616
across the valley. Many of us,

3801
02:56:30,616 --> 02:56:33,185
including me, moved to the

3802
02:56:33,185 --> 02:56:36,722
valley from la or other cities

3803
02:56:36,722 --> 02:56:38,457
expressly for this reason, from

3804
02:56:38,457 --> 02:56:40,590
my property, I have a direct

3805
02:56:40,590 --> 02:56:41,827
and open rural sightline

3806
02:56:41,827 --> 02:56:43,262
towards the proposed site.

3807
02:56:43,262 --> 02:56:44,730
There simply are not any

3808
02:56:44,730 --> 02:56:46,900
buildings or any other

3809
02:56:46,900 --> 02:56:48,402
structures or trees between us

3810
02:56:48,402 --> 02:56:50,436
that would meaningful screen

3811
02:56:50,436 --> 02:56:51,604
something of this height.

3812
02:56:51,604 --> 02:56:52,672
That's why I believe the

3813
02:56:52,672 --> 02:56:54,374
Commission needs to look well

3814
02:56:54,374 --> 02:56:56,209
beyond the immediate Calzada

3815
02:56:56,209 --> 02:56:58,177
area when evaluating the visual

3816
02:56:58,177 --> 02:57:00,546
impact. A 68 foot structure

3817
02:57:00,546 --> 02:57:02,315
does not stop affecting the

3818
02:57:02,315 --> 02:57:03,516
landscape at the property line.

3819
02:57:03,516 --> 02:57:05,885
Because of the terrain and the

3820
02:57:05,885 --> 02:57:07,353
open sightlines, its visual

3821
02:57:07,353 --> 02:57:09,353
footprint potentially extends

3822
02:57:09,522 --> 02:57:11,424
well beyond to the existing

3823
02:57:11,424 --> 02:57:12,825
community. My concern is that

3824
02:57:12,825 --> 02:57:13,893
the the record before you does

3825
02:57:13,893 --> 02:57:16,293
not adequately demonstrate the

3826
02:57:16,396 --> 02:57:19,396
broader impact. I've not seen

3827
02:57:19,966 --> 02:57:21,601
objective elevations,

3828
02:57:21,601 --> 02:57:23,436
topographic sightline analysis,

3829
02:57:23,436 --> 02:57:25,438
or accurate visual simulations

3830
02:57:25,438 --> 02:57:26,439
like a balloon test that would

3831
02:57:26,439 --> 02:57:29,439
show what this would actually

3832
02:57:29,709 --> 02:57:31,410
look like from Edison. I

3833
02:57:31,410 --> 02:57:33,981
brought a photograph, or I sent

3834
02:57:33,981 --> 02:57:35,449
in a photograph via email of my

3835
02:57:35,449 --> 02:57:37,449
property, looking directly

3836
02:57:37,650 --> 02:57:40,519
towards the proposed area. What

3837
02:57:40,519 --> 02:57:41,988
it shows, essentially, is that

3838
02:57:41,988 --> 02:57:44,824
what we value about living here

3839
02:57:44,824 --> 02:57:47,224
open land, mature properties,

3840
02:57:47,727 --> 02:57:49,783
mountains and sky. Period. Our

3841
02:57:49,783 --> 02:57:51,342
community is asking a very fair

3842
02:57:51,342 --> 02:57:53,441
and serious question as to

3843
02:57:53,441 --> 02:57:55,441
whether this particular

3844
02:57:55,480 --> 02:57:56,775
location at this particular

3845
02:57:56,775 --> 02:57:59,377
height and scale is appropriate,

3846
02:57:59,377 --> 02:58:01,822
and whether a less intrusive

3847
02:58:01,822 --> 02:58:03,141
location or design or height

3848
02:58:03,141 --> 02:58:04,330
have truly been evaluated.

3849
02:58:04,330 --> 02:58:05,905
Sandy and Sandy remains special

3850
02:58:05,905 --> 02:58:07,446
because we've been careful

3851
02:58:07,446 --> 02:58:09,394
about what we put into this

3852
02:58:09,394 --> 02:58:10,732
landscape. Once a structure of

3853
02:58:10,732 --> 02:58:12,885
this scale enters a rural site

3854
02:58:12,885 --> 02:58:14,321
line that changes effectively,

3855
02:58:14,321 --> 02:58:15,554
permanent, and as the gentleman

3856
02:58:15,554 --> 02:58:17,189
said, they will lease this to

3857
02:58:17,189 --> 02:58:18,991
other companies. And this will

3858
02:58:18,991 --> 02:58:20,526
continue forward. In closing,

3859
02:58:20,526 --> 02:58:22,461
because our agenda item was

3860
02:58:22,461 --> 02:58:23,896
moved back to the end of the

3861
02:58:23,896 --> 02:58:25,132
day, I've had the opportunity

3862
02:58:25,132 --> 02:58:26,899
to listen to the Commission

3863
02:58:26,899 --> 02:58:28,334
carefully, consider and

3864
02:58:28,334 --> 02:58:30,334
deliberate relatively minor

3865
02:58:30,870 --> 02:58:33,472
changes to properties such as a

3866
02:58:33,472 --> 02:58:34,907
horse arena, an agricultural

3867
02:58:34,907 --> 02:58:37,307
setback. We're discussing how

3868
02:58:38,110 --> 02:58:39,478
the construction of a 60 foot

3869
02:58:39,478 --> 02:58:41,878
telecommunications tower in our

3870
02:58:42,782 --> 02:58:44,184
literal backyard will affect us.

3871
02:58:44,184 --> 02:58:47,860
Let's just keep that in

3872
02:58:47,860 --> 02:58:49,486
perspective. Thank you, thank

3873
02:58:51,791 --> 02:58:53,225
you. Moving on to our next

3874
02:58:53,225 --> 02:58:54,628
speaker. Again, I believe it

3875
02:58:54,628 --> 02:58:57,628
says Michael McConnell to be

3876
02:58:57,930 --> 02:59:00,930
followed by Tom McConnell. And

3877
02:59:05,472 --> 02:59:08,472
then Kirsten Muster. And then.

3878
02:59:09,410 --> 02:59:12,641
Next. Come on. Thank you so

3879
02:59:15,582 --> 02:59:16,949
much. Good morning. My name is

3880
02:59:16,949 --> 02:59:18,884
Michael McConnell. My family

3881
02:59:18,884 --> 02:59:21,530
owns property on Calzada Avenue

3882
02:59:21,530 --> 02:59:22,656
near the proposed site. I want

3883
02:59:22,656 --> 02:59:23,856
to pick up on a point that

3884
02:59:23,856 --> 02:59:25,856
Commissioner Martinez mentioned

3885
02:59:26,325 --> 02:59:28,928
this morning about the the

3886
02:59:28,928 --> 02:59:30,262
mammoth case or matter. The

3887
02:59:30,262 --> 02:59:31,630
commissioner discussed the

3888
02:59:31,630 --> 02:59:32,865
significance of neighboring

3889
02:59:32,865 --> 02:59:34,267
property owners having been

3890
02:59:34,267 --> 02:59:36,402
notified and not showing up to

3891
02:59:36,402 --> 02:59:38,938
oppose or appeal the project.

3892
02:59:38,938 --> 02:59:41,107
Our situation is very different.

3893
02:59:41,107 --> 02:59:45,307
We did show up. We are showing

3894
02:59:46,479 --> 02:59:47,913
up. We're here. 25 neighboring

3895
02:59:47,913 --> 02:59:49,882
households are now represented

3896
02:59:49,882 --> 02:59:51,517
in opposition to the cell tower.

3897
02:59:51,517 --> 02:59:52,418
We informally pulled them

3898
02:59:52,418 --> 02:59:53,786
yesterday and asked whether

3899
02:59:53,786 --> 02:59:56,222
they had received notice from

3900
02:59:56,222 --> 02:59:57,990
the county. Only two of those

3901
02:59:57,990 --> 02:59:59,990
25 households reported

3902
03:00:00,159 --> 03:00:01,260
receiving direct county notice.

3903
03:00:01,260 --> 03:00:02,663
The others learned about this

3904
03:00:02,663 --> 03:00:04,230
product through neighbors or

3905
03:00:04,230 --> 03:00:05,898
community outreach, and once

3906
03:00:05,898 --> 03:00:07,166
they learned what was being

3907
03:00:07,166 --> 03:00:09,566
proposed, they became engaged

3908
03:00:09,736 --> 03:00:11,737
and opposed it. Some are here

3909
03:00:11,737 --> 03:00:12,872
in person today. Some are

3910
03:00:12,872 --> 03:00:14,207
participating by Zoom. Others

3911
03:00:14,207 --> 03:00:16,142
who could not attend have

3912
03:00:16,142 --> 03:00:18,542
submitted their opposition. If

3913
03:00:19,211 --> 03:00:19,946
the neighbors here today are in

3914
03:00:19,946 --> 03:00:22,346
opposition to this project,

3915
03:00:25,351 --> 03:00:28,351
would you please stand up?

3916
03:00:28,621 --> 03:00:30,423
Thank you. I'd also note that

3917
03:00:30,423 --> 03:00:31,857
this this item was originally

3918
03:00:31,857 --> 03:00:33,590
scheduled first on the standard

3919
03:00:33,590 --> 03:00:34,860
agenda and was moved to the end

3920
03:00:34,860 --> 03:00:36,263
of this morning. Some neighbors

3921
03:00:36,263 --> 03:00:38,431
who intended to participate MAY

3922
03:00:38,431 --> 03:00:41,567
not have been able to stay and

3923
03:00:41,567 --> 03:00:43,135
remain for this additional time,

3924
03:00:43,135 --> 03:00:44,104
but the important number isn't

3925
03:00:44,104 --> 03:00:46,238
simply how many people are

3926
03:00:46,238 --> 03:00:47,640
still in this room. 25

3927
03:00:47,640 --> 03:00:48,808
neighboring households are now

3928
03:00:48,808 --> 03:00:50,576
represented in opposition to

3929
03:00:50,576 --> 03:00:51,711
this project, and only two of

3930
03:00:51,711 --> 03:00:52,713
those households reported

3931
03:00:52,713 --> 03:00:54,847
receiving something from the

3932
03:00:54,847 --> 03:00:55,982
county. I want to be clear, I'm

3933
03:00:55,982 --> 03:00:57,783
not alleging that the county

3934
03:00:57,783 --> 03:00:59,285
failed to comply with its legal

3935
03:00:59,285 --> 03:01:01,685
noticing requirements. This is

3936
03:01:02,880 --> 03:01:04,488
an 8110 rural area character

3937
03:01:04,991 --> 03:01:06,792
buys large parcels, a 300 foot

3938
03:01:06,792 --> 03:01:08,561
notification radius, therefore

3939
03:01:08,561 --> 03:01:09,629
reaches remarkably few property

3940
03:01:09,629 --> 03:01:11,831
owners. That could be a

3941
03:01:11,831 --> 03:01:15,100
property and a half. And just

3942
03:01:15,100 --> 03:01:16,102
just very few people. And what

3943
03:01:16,102 --> 03:01:17,903
happened here demonstrates

3944
03:01:17,903 --> 03:01:19,705
exactly why this this

3945
03:01:19,705 --> 03:01:20,773
distinction matters. Once

3946
03:01:20,773 --> 03:01:21,974
neighbors beyond the immediate

3947
03:01:21,974 --> 03:01:23,976
notification area learned of

3948
03:01:23,976 --> 03:01:26,212
this project, they showed up.

3949
03:01:26,212 --> 03:01:28,314
So I respectfully, respectfully

3950
03:01:28,314 --> 03:01:30,116
ask the Commission not to

3951
03:01:30,116 --> 03:01:31,617
interpret the initial limited

3952
03:01:31,617 --> 03:01:33,352
response from surrounding

3953
03:01:33,352 --> 03:01:34,921
residents as community

3954
03:01:34,921 --> 03:01:36,289
acceptance. The contrast with

3955
03:01:36,289 --> 03:01:38,689
the matter you considered

3956
03:01:38,758 --> 03:01:39,892
earlier today is important.

3957
03:01:39,892 --> 03:01:41,327
There you discussed how

3958
03:01:41,327 --> 03:01:43,462
neighbors who were notified and

3959
03:01:43,462 --> 03:01:45,598
did not show up to oppose the

3960
03:01:45,598 --> 03:01:46,699
project here. Once the broader

3961
03:01:46,699 --> 03:01:48,434
neighboring community learned

3962
03:01:48,434 --> 03:01:51,371
about this project, we did show

3963
03:01:51,371 --> 03:01:53,572
up. We are here, we are opposed,

3964
03:01:53,572 --> 03:01:55,374
and we respectfully ask you to

3965
03:01:55,374 --> 03:01:58,974
not deny this case. Thank you

3966
03:02:00,780 --> 03:02:02,381
so much. Thank you. Our next

3967
03:02:02,381 --> 03:02:05,185
speaker will be Tom McConnell,

3968
03:02:05,185 --> 03:02:08,185
to be followed by Kirsten

3969
03:02:20,534 --> 03:02:22,769
Messer. Good morning. My name

3970
03:02:22,769 --> 03:02:24,570
is Tom McConnell. And myself

3971
03:02:24,570 --> 03:02:26,739
and my family own three

3972
03:02:26,739 --> 03:02:29,139
properties on Calzada Avenue.

3973
03:02:29,642 --> 03:02:31,844
We've been there 38 years. It's

3974
03:02:31,844 --> 03:02:34,244
1540 calls out of 1568 calls

3975
03:02:34,547 --> 03:02:38,147
out and 1590 calls out of. We

3976
03:02:38,918 --> 03:02:41,887
are one property south of the

3977
03:02:41,887 --> 03:02:44,887
cell tower site. Proposed site.

3978
03:02:44,991 --> 03:02:47,193
But I do realize that what I am

3979
03:02:47,193 --> 03:02:50,229
focusing on on my. My comments

3980
03:02:50,229 --> 03:02:51,931
today are just the rf emissions

3981
03:02:51,931 --> 03:02:54,467
that can come from cell tower

3982
03:02:54,467 --> 03:02:55,602
like this and ongoing

3983
03:02:55,602 --> 03:02:58,400
compliance, and I know that I

3984
03:02:58,400 --> 03:02:59,710
have significant concerns about

3985
03:02:59,710 --> 03:03:01,471
potential health effects of

3986
03:03:02,308 --> 03:03:03,743
long term rf exposure from a

3987
03:03:03,743 --> 03:03:05,211
telecommunications facility

3988
03:03:05,211 --> 03:03:07,130
located near homes and families

3989
03:03:07,130 --> 03:03:09,548
in our community. But I also

3990
03:03:09,548 --> 03:03:11,284
understand the federal law that

3991
03:03:11,284 --> 03:03:12,351
substantially limits what this

3992
03:03:12,351 --> 03:03:13,819
Commission can consider

3993
03:03:13,819 --> 03:03:15,819
regarding the environmental

3994
03:03:15,955 --> 03:03:18,157
effects of rf emissions. When a

3995
03:03:18,157 --> 03:03:20,557
wireless facility complies with

3996
03:03:21,795 --> 03:03:23,195
the fca sorry fcc standards,

3997
03:03:23,195 --> 03:03:25,731
but that raises an important,

3998
03:03:25,731 --> 03:03:26,799
very practical question who

3999
03:03:26,799 --> 03:03:28,567
verifies that the facility

4000
03:03:28,567 --> 03:03:30,967
actually complies after it's

4001
03:03:31,837 --> 03:03:32,939
built and operating? If fcc

4002
03:03:32,939 --> 03:03:35,408
compliance is the legal line

4003
03:03:35,408 --> 03:03:37,243
that limits this commission's

4004
03:03:37,243 --> 03:03:39,445
consideration of rf concerns,

4005
03:03:39,445 --> 03:03:41,547
then actual compliance should

4006
03:03:41,547 --> 03:03:43,349
not simply be presumed, it

4007
03:03:43,349 --> 03:03:45,349
should be independently

4008
03:03:46,218 --> 03:03:47,620
measured and continually

4009
03:03:47,620 --> 03:03:49,620
enforceable. There's an

4010
03:03:49,823 --> 03:03:51,823
important distinction between

4011
03:03:52,358 --> 03:03:53,793
predicted compliance before a

4012
03:03:53,793 --> 03:03:55,793
construction, and measured

4013
03:03:55,928 --> 03:03:57,763
compliance afterwards before a

4014
03:03:57,763 --> 03:03:58,831
facility exists. Compliance

4015
03:03:58,831 --> 03:04:00,831
necessarily relies on

4016
03:04:00,933 --> 03:04:02,468
engineering calculations and

4017
03:04:02,468 --> 03:04:03,836
assumptions about antennas,

4018
03:04:03,836 --> 03:04:06,500
equipment, power levels and

4019
03:04:06,500 --> 03:04:07,473
operating conditions. Once a

4020
03:04:07,473 --> 03:04:09,873
facility is actually operating,

4021
03:04:09,977 --> 03:04:11,777
however, actual rf level levels

4022
03:04:11,777 --> 03:04:13,546
can be measured, and Santa

4023
03:04:13,546 --> 03:04:15,470
Barbara County's own wireless

4024
03:04:15,470 --> 03:04:17,470
regulations provide mechanisms

4025
03:04:17,183 --> 03:04:19,352
for doing exactly that. The

4026
03:04:19,352 --> 03:04:20,753
county ordinance allows permit

4027
03:04:20,753 --> 03:04:23,153
conditions requiring rf field

4028
03:04:23,289 --> 03:04:25,124
testing after installation by a

4029
03:04:25,124 --> 03:04:26,959
qualified professional,

4030
03:04:26,959 --> 03:04:28,361
acceptable to the county and

4031
03:04:28,361 --> 03:04:30,497
independent of the Permittee.

4032
03:04:30,497 --> 03:04:32,399
It also provides for continued

4033
03:04:32,399 --> 03:04:34,399
compliance, testing and

4034
03:04:34,867 --> 03:04:36,268
enforcement, if applicable.

4035
03:04:36,268 --> 03:04:38,104
Applicable standards are

4036
03:04:38,104 --> 03:04:39,473
exceeded. That is particularly

4037
03:04:39,473 --> 03:04:41,708
important here because this

4038
03:04:41,708 --> 03:04:43,809
facility is also completed

4039
03:04:43,809 --> 03:04:45,278
contemplated for future

4040
03:04:45,278 --> 03:04:46,746
co-location. The equipment and

4041
03:04:46,746 --> 03:04:47,847
operating configuration MAY

4042
03:04:47,847 --> 03:04:49,649
therefore change during the

4043
03:04:49,649 --> 03:04:51,717
life of this facility.

4044
03:04:51,717 --> 03:04:53,586
Compliance should be ongoing

4045
03:04:53,586 --> 03:04:55,454
and ongoing obligation, not

4046
03:04:55,454 --> 03:04:57,857
simply a calculation made when

4047
03:04:57,857 --> 03:04:59,725
the project is approved. So, if

4048
03:04:59,725 --> 03:05:01,930
this commission ultimately

4049
03:05:01,930 --> 03:05:03,996
approves this project, which I

4050
03:05:03,996 --> 03:05:05,464
hope you do not, I respectfully

4051
03:05:05,464 --> 03:05:06,866
request that you impose the

4052
03:05:06,866 --> 03:05:08,235
strongest permissible rf

4053
03:05:08,235 --> 03:05:10,235
compliance conditions available

4054
03:05:10,469 --> 03:05:11,537
under the county ordinance.

4055
03:05:11,537 --> 03:05:13,739
Specifically, I asked for

4056
03:05:13,739 --> 03:05:15,508
independent Post-installation

4057
03:05:15,508 --> 03:05:17,677
rf field testing. Once the

4058
03:05:17,677 --> 03:05:19,512
facility is operational,

4059
03:05:19,512 --> 03:05:20,880
periodic independent compliance

4060
03:05:20,880 --> 03:05:22,381
testing at an interval

4061
03:05:22,381 --> 03:05:24,781
established by the county.

4062
03:05:24,884 --> 03:05:26,319
Additional testing following

4063
03:05:26,319 --> 03:05:28,120
applicable equipment, power,

4064
03:05:28,120 --> 03:05:29,923
antenna or co-location changes

4065
03:05:29,923 --> 03:05:31,357
and, where appropriate, actual

4066
03:05:31,357 --> 03:05:33,192
measurements in nearby

4067
03:05:33,192 --> 03:05:34,927
inhabited areas so that

4068
03:05:34,927 --> 03:05:35,728
compliance reflects what

4069
03:05:35,728 --> 03:05:37,728
neighboring residents are

4070
03:05:38,331 --> 03:05:40,367
actually exposed to, not merely

4071
03:05:40,367 --> 03:05:42,201
what was predicted on paper.

4072
03:05:42,201 --> 03:05:43,603
And if the actual measurements

4073
03:05:43,603 --> 03:05:46,300
demonstrate that the facility

4074
03:05:46,105 --> 03:05:47,239
exceeds applicable federal rf

4075
03:05:47,239 --> 03:05:48,307
standards, the county's

4076
03:05:48,307 --> 03:05:50,307
enforcement provisions should

4077
03:05:50,743 --> 03:05:53,379
be used, including cessation of

4078
03:05:53,379 --> 03:05:55,114
commercial operation, until the

4079
03:05:55,114 --> 03:05:56,949
facility is brought back into

4080
03:05:56,949 --> 03:05:59,520
compliance. I want to be clear

4081
03:05:59,520 --> 03:06:00,620
about what I'm asking. I'm not

4082
03:06:00,620 --> 03:06:02,321
asking this commission to

4083
03:06:02,321 --> 03:06:04,721
resolve the larger scientific

4084
03:06:05,224 --> 03:06:06,258
debate surrounding long term rf

4085
03:06:06,258 --> 03:06:07,760
exposure. I'm asking for

4086
03:06:07,760 --> 03:06:09,950
something much more

4087
03:06:09,950 --> 03:06:11,950
straightforward. If compliance

4088
03:06:11,731 --> 03:06:12,765
with fcc limits in is the

4089
03:06:12,765 --> 03:06:14,533
standard upon which this

4090
03:06:14,533 --> 03:06:16,350
facility is allowed to operate,

4091
03:06:16,350 --> 03:06:18,170
then verify that compliance

4092
03:06:18,170 --> 03:06:20,700
after it begins operating and

4093
03:06:20,700 --> 03:06:21,807
continue verifying it as a

4094
03:06:21,807 --> 03:06:24,207
facility. Facility changes over

4095
03:06:24,243 --> 03:06:26,545
time. If the project is denied,

4096
03:06:26,545 --> 03:06:27,848
this issue becomes moot and a

4097
03:06:27,848 --> 03:06:29,215
lot of my neighbors will be

4098
03:06:29,215 --> 03:06:31,170
very happy. MR. McConnell,

4099
03:06:31,170 --> 03:06:32,319
we're going to have to ask you

4100
03:06:32,319 --> 03:06:34,200
to wrap it up, please. Okay. If

4101
03:06:34,200 --> 03:06:34,754
you approve it, please make

4102
03:06:34,754 --> 03:06:36,754
independent measurements and

4103
03:06:36,856 --> 03:06:38,292
continuing rf compliance

4104
03:06:38,292 --> 03:06:40,292
explicit with enforceable

4105
03:06:40,426 --> 03:06:41,961
conditions of that approval.

4106
03:06:41,961 --> 03:06:45,561
Thank you very much. Thank you,

4107
03:06:48,735 --> 03:06:50,200
thank you. So we have three

4108
03:06:50,200 --> 03:06:51,871
additional speakers in house,

4109
03:06:51,871 --> 03:06:53,472
and then we'll go to our online

4110
03:06:53,472 --> 03:06:56,472
speaker. Our next speaker is

4111
03:06:56,676 --> 03:06:58,845
Kirsten Muster, to be followed

4112
03:06:58,845 --> 03:07:00,780
by Jim Rodemaker. I believe

4113
03:07:00,780 --> 03:07:02,616
that is. And then Matt McKinney.

4114
03:07:02,616 --> 03:07:05,284
And then we'll move on to our

4115
03:07:05,284 --> 03:07:06,819
online speaker after that. Good

4116
03:07:06,819 --> 03:07:09,989
morning. My name is Kirsten. I

4117
03:07:09,989 --> 03:07:11,824
live at 1627 Castle Avenue, and

4118
03:07:11,824 --> 03:07:13,893
we purchased our home there 15

4119
03:07:13,893 --> 03:07:15,728
years ago. And that is we plan

4120
03:07:15,728 --> 03:07:18,300
on that being our forever home.

4121
03:07:18,300 --> 03:07:20,433
I am opposed to this cell tower.

4122
03:07:20,433 --> 03:07:23,350
I'm worried about our property

4123
03:07:23,350 --> 03:07:24,704
values going down, and I'm also

4124
03:07:24,704 --> 03:07:28,304
worried about the health of the

4125
03:07:29,442 --> 03:07:31,770
long term radiation. Children

4126
03:07:31,770 --> 03:07:32,745
absorb. Higher rates of cell

4127
03:07:32,745 --> 03:07:34,304
tower radiation, are

4128
03:07:34,304 --> 03:07:35,581
biologically more vulnerable to

4129
03:07:35,581 --> 03:07:37,718
the rf radiation emitted by

4130
03:07:37,718 --> 03:07:38,784
cell towers, a fact that has

4131
03:07:38,784 --> 03:07:41,184
been long acknowledged by

4132
03:07:42,210 --> 03:07:43,489
medical authorities. And I have

4133
03:07:43,489 --> 03:07:45,889
children and I'm concerned

4134
03:07:46,359 --> 03:07:49,359
about their health. Thank you,

4135
03:07:53,265 --> 03:07:56,865
thank you. Jim Rodemaker to be

4136
03:08:03,609 --> 03:08:06,900
followed by Matt McKinney.

4137
03:08:07,948 --> 03:08:10,516
Thank you for your time. To my

4138
03:08:10,516 --> 03:08:12,916
residents. 1637 Calzada was not

4139
03:08:13,190 --> 03:08:16,190
provided with notice. We share

4140
03:08:16,590 --> 03:08:18,900
an easement that follows

4141
03:08:18,900 --> 03:08:20,159
clearly within the purview of

4142
03:08:20,159 --> 03:08:22,361
and scope. Other neighbors were

4143
03:08:22,361 --> 03:08:24,630
provided with. Notice we

4144
03:08:24,630 --> 03:08:26,699
haven't had an adequate

4145
03:08:26,699 --> 03:08:28,401
opportunity to investigate all

4146
03:08:28,401 --> 03:08:31,401
of this. We asked for

4147
03:08:31,737 --> 03:08:33,506
additional time in that regard.

4148
03:08:33,506 --> 03:08:35,609
As far as the esthetics of the

4149
03:08:35,609 --> 03:08:37,844
project are concerned, they're

4150
03:08:37,844 --> 03:08:39,713
not palatable to myself nor my

4151
03:08:39,713 --> 03:08:42,113
neighbors. We are concerned

4152
03:08:43,616 --> 03:08:45,518
about environmental impacts,

4153
03:08:45,518 --> 03:08:47,753
ecological, Geographic, so on

4154
03:08:47,753 --> 03:08:48,854
and so forth. And we don't feel

4155
03:08:48,854 --> 03:08:50,623
that a sufficient amount of

4156
03:08:50,623 --> 03:08:51,857
studies have been performed,

4157
03:08:51,857 --> 03:08:54,560
nor have they been provided to

4158
03:08:54,560 --> 03:08:57,797
us to date due to the defective

4159
03:08:57,797 --> 03:08:59,650
notice provided of this matter.

4160
03:08:59,650 --> 03:09:02,665
So I have nothing further at

4161
03:09:14,347 --> 03:09:16,150
this time. Thank you. How you

4162
03:09:16,150 --> 03:09:19,452
doing? How you doing? My name

4163
03:09:19,452 --> 03:09:23,520
is Matt McKinney and a little

4164
03:09:23,560 --> 03:09:25,224
taller. Adjust this here. My

4165
03:09:25,224 --> 03:09:27,326
mother, Leanne McKinney and I.

4166
03:09:27,326 --> 03:09:28,527
Or I'm representing my mom. But

4167
03:09:28,527 --> 03:09:31,697
we moved to the Santa Ynez

4168
03:09:31,697 --> 03:09:33,990
Valley 32 years ago, and we

4169
03:09:33,990 --> 03:09:35,990
specifically moved from

4170
03:09:35,568 --> 03:09:38,568
Woodland Hills to escape Los

4171
03:09:39,205 --> 03:09:42,205
Angeles. And many of the

4172
03:09:43,175 --> 03:09:46,175
commercial and just big city

4173
03:09:46,412 --> 03:09:48,681
life and look and feel. And

4174
03:09:48,681 --> 03:09:50,650
Santa Ynez Valley has been such

4175
03:09:50,650 --> 03:09:53,619
an incredible place to move to

4176
03:09:53,619 --> 03:09:55,454
that is so special to us. And

4177
03:09:55,454 --> 03:09:57,256
we didn't know about this as

4178
03:09:57,256 --> 03:09:59,250
well. If it wasn't for Michael

4179
03:09:59,250 --> 03:10:01,425
McConnell, I wouldn't have

4180
03:10:01,528 --> 03:10:03,729
known. And my mom and I are

4181
03:10:03,729 --> 03:10:07,329
very opposed to the cell tower

4182
03:10:07,667 --> 03:10:10,569
going in from a natural scenic

4183
03:10:10,569 --> 03:10:13,569
beauty standpoint. And also the

4184
03:10:13,773 --> 03:10:15,742
emf concern to our health. And

4185
03:10:15,742 --> 03:10:18,742
yeah, we are strongly opposed.

4186
03:10:19,512 --> 03:10:23,112
Thank you very much. Thank you.

4187
03:10:23,849 --> 03:10:26,452
That's okay. And now we go to

4188
03:10:26,452 --> 03:10:28,852
our online speaker, Kelly

4189
03:10:32,591 --> 03:10:34,991
McConnell. MR. McConnell, you

4190
03:10:35,394 --> 03:10:37,563
have to unmute yourself. Can

4191
03:10:37,563 --> 03:10:40,366
you hear me? Your little your

4192
03:10:40,366 --> 03:10:42,501
little light? Can you hear me

4193
03:10:42,501 --> 03:10:43,636
better now? Can you get a

4194
03:10:43,636 --> 03:10:45,905
little bit closer to your mic,

4195
03:10:45,905 --> 03:10:49,505
please? Sure, sure. Let me try

4196
03:10:56,315 --> 03:10:58,818
a headset. Just one second. Is

4197
03:10:58,818 --> 03:11:01,654
that any better? Much better.

4198
03:11:01,654 --> 03:11:03,489
Okay. My name is Kelly

4199
03:11:03,489 --> 03:11:05,324
McConnell. My family owns three

4200
03:11:05,324 --> 03:11:06,359
properties on Calzada Avenue,

4201
03:11:06,359 --> 03:11:08,494
immediately south of this

4202
03:11:08,494 --> 03:11:09,962
project, I submitted extensive

4203
03:11:09,962 --> 03:11:11,398
written comments and

4204
03:11:11,398 --> 03:11:12,798
photographs. So I'm just going

4205
03:11:12,798 --> 03:11:14,967
to focus on what we've learned

4206
03:11:14,967 --> 03:11:16,269
in this hearing today. I think

4207
03:11:16,269 --> 03:11:17,236
today's testimony has actually

4208
03:11:17,236 --> 03:11:18,638
raised more questions about

4209
03:11:18,638 --> 03:11:20,390
whether the required

4210
03:11:20,390 --> 03:11:22,308
compatibility finding can be

4211
03:11:22,308 --> 03:11:23,609
made, not fewer. We learn from

4212
03:11:23,609 --> 03:11:24,845
the applicant that the tallest

4213
03:11:24,845 --> 03:11:26,545
tree immediately adjacent to

4214
03:11:26,545 --> 03:11:28,945
the proposed facility is

4215
03:11:29,115 --> 03:11:31,515
approximately 50ft tall. This

4216
03:11:31,517 --> 03:11:34,120
faux eucalyptus would be 68ft

4217
03:11:34,120 --> 03:11:35,888
tall, approximately 18ft taller

4218
03:11:35,888 --> 03:11:37,290
than the very trees it is

4219
03:11:37,290 --> 03:11:39,910
supposedly intended to blend

4220
03:11:39,910 --> 03:11:40,593
with. We also heard

4221
03:11:40,593 --> 03:11:42,290
Commissioner Park identify an

4222
03:11:42,290 --> 03:11:44,497
entirely different area east of

4223
03:11:44,497 --> 03:11:46,980
highway 154, with larger

4224
03:11:46,980 --> 03:11:47,366
parcels, different topography,

4225
03:11:47,366 --> 03:11:48,901
fewer residences, and

4226
03:11:48,901 --> 03:11:50,901
substantial eucalyptus trees

4227
03:11:51,400 --> 03:11:52,506
that apparently was not

4228
03:11:52,506 --> 03:11:53,873
evaluated evaluated in the

4229
03:11:53,873 --> 03:11:55,308
applicant's alternative

4230
03:11:55,308 --> 03:11:57,109
analysis, Commissioner Park

4231
03:11:57,109 --> 03:11:58,177
made the issue very clear if

4232
03:11:58,177 --> 03:11:59,980
potentially suitable

4233
03:11:59,980 --> 03:12:01,147
alternatives haven't even been

4234
03:12:01,147 --> 03:12:03,215
evaluated, how can you make the

4235
03:12:03,215 --> 03:12:05,384
required finding that this

4236
03:12:05,384 --> 03:12:06,385
location is compatible? And we

4237
03:12:06,385 --> 03:12:08,254
learned something else today

4238
03:12:08,254 --> 03:12:09,723
that I think deserves careful

4239
03:12:09,723 --> 03:12:11,490
consideration. The applicant

4240
03:12:11,490 --> 03:12:12,959
testified that t mobile cannot

4241
03:12:12,959 --> 03:12:14,161
co-locate on certain other

4242
03:12:14,161 --> 03:12:16,161
existing infrastructure because

4243
03:12:16,495 --> 03:12:18,895
of its exclusive contractual

4244
03:12:19,650 --> 03:12:20,534
relationship with apc towers. I

4245
03:12:20,534 --> 03:12:21,600
respectfully ask you to

4246
03:12:21,600 --> 03:12:23,369
distinguish between an

4247
03:12:23,369 --> 03:12:25,500
alternative that is technically

4248
03:12:25,500 --> 03:12:26,472
infeasible and an alternative

4249
03:12:26,472 --> 03:12:28,407
that wasn't pursued because of

4250
03:12:28,407 --> 03:12:30,210
a private, contractual or

4251
03:12:30,210 --> 03:12:32,440
leasing restriction. Those are

4252
03:12:32,440 --> 03:12:32,745
not the same thing. Then

4253
03:12:32,745 --> 03:12:34,213
there's the fundamental

4254
03:12:34,213 --> 03:12:35,648
question of height.

4255
03:12:35,648 --> 03:12:37,160
Commissioner. Commissioner Ford

4256
03:12:37,160 --> 03:12:39,219
asked what coverage a lower

4257
03:12:39,219 --> 03:12:40,653
height tower would provide. The

4258
03:12:40,653 --> 03:12:42,121
applicant told us that they can

4259
03:12:42,121 --> 03:12:43,823
run a propagation map at a

4260
03:12:43,823 --> 03:12:45,391
lower height and provide it to

4261
03:12:45,391 --> 03:12:47,126
this commission. My question is

4262
03:12:47,126 --> 03:12:48,628
very simple why wasn't that

4263
03:12:48,628 --> 03:12:51,628
done before asking you to

4264
03:12:51,831 --> 03:12:53,733
approve 68ft. A 50ft won't work.

4265
03:12:53,733 --> 03:12:55,468
Show us if 60ft won't work.

4266
03:12:55,468 --> 03:12:57,970
Show us. But please don't

4267
03:12:57,970 --> 03:12:59,705
assume that 68ft is necessary.

4268
03:12:59,705 --> 03:13:00,806
68ft is necessary. When the

4269
03:13:00,806 --> 03:13:02,275
applicant has acknowledged

4270
03:13:02,275 --> 03:13:03,676
today that the comparative

4271
03:13:03,676 --> 03:13:05,478
evidence can actually be

4272
03:13:05,478 --> 03:13:06,812
produced. And finally, we don't

4273
03:13:06,812 --> 03:13:07,913
need to speculate about what

4274
03:13:07,913 --> 03:13:09,715
the 68ft will actually look

4275
03:13:09,715 --> 03:13:12,618
like in this landscape. Put a

4276
03:13:12,618 --> 03:13:14,200
balloon crane mounted marker or

4277
03:13:14,200 --> 03:13:15,880
equivalent full height

4278
03:13:15,880 --> 03:13:17,223
demonstration at the actual

4279
03:13:17,223 --> 03:13:18,357
proposed location. I spoke

4280
03:13:18,357 --> 03:13:19,859
directly with property owner

4281
03:13:19,859 --> 03:13:21,460
Anne Twig this week. We had a

4282
03:13:21,460 --> 03:13:22,728
very respectful conversation,

4283
03:13:22,728 --> 03:13:24,497
and she told me she would

4284
03:13:24,497 --> 03:13:26,732
support a balloon test herself

4285
03:13:26,732 --> 03:13:28,434
and in fact said she would

4286
03:13:28,434 --> 03:13:29,769
communicate that to MR. Ambrose.

4287
03:13:29,769 --> 03:13:30,970
Think about that for a moment.

4288
03:13:30,970 --> 03:13:32,371
The neighbors want to see it.

4289
03:13:32,371 --> 03:13:33,839
The property owner is willing

4290
03:13:33,839 --> 03:13:34,907
to do it. And multiple

4291
03:13:34,907 --> 03:13:36,420
commissioners today have

4292
03:13:36,420 --> 03:13:37,777
expressed concern about the

4293
03:13:37,777 --> 03:13:38,945
height. If the applicant

4294
03:13:38,945 --> 03:13:40,945
simulations accurately show

4295
03:13:41,470 --> 03:13:42,515
that the 68 foot structure will

4296
03:13:42,515 --> 03:13:43,916
blend into the landscape, a

4297
03:13:43,916 --> 03:13:45,719
full height demonstration

4298
03:13:45,719 --> 03:13:47,486
should confirm them. If it

4299
03:13:47,486 --> 03:13:50,220
doesn't, we all deserve to know

4300
03:13:50,220 --> 03:13:51,457
that before, not after, and

4301
03:13:51,457 --> 03:13:53,292
especially before you make a

4302
03:13:53,292 --> 03:13:55,161
decision. A permanent land use

4303
03:13:55,161 --> 03:13:57,561
decision. I respectfully ask

4304
03:13:59,980 --> 03:14:00,733
you to deny a case 2500023. If

4305
03:14:00,733 --> 03:14:01,734
you're not prepared to deny it

4306
03:14:01,734 --> 03:14:03,350
today, then please continue

4307
03:14:03,350 --> 03:14:04,470
this matter rather than approve

4308
03:14:04,470 --> 03:14:05,906
it. There's no reason to guess

4309
03:14:05,906 --> 03:14:07,390
when the unanswered questions

4310
03:14:07,390 --> 03:14:08,708
identified in this very hearing

4311
03:14:08,708 --> 03:14:10,543
can be answered. Run the lower

4312
03:14:10,543 --> 03:14:11,677
height propagation analysis.

4313
03:14:11,677 --> 03:14:13,790
Evaluate the additional

4314
03:14:13,790 --> 03:14:14,881
alternatives Commissioner Park

4315
03:14:14,881 --> 03:14:16,248
identified, and show us what

4316
03:14:16,248 --> 03:14:17,383
68ft actually looks like at

4317
03:14:17,383 --> 03:14:19,218
this location. Then make your

4318
03:14:19,218 --> 03:14:20,620
decision on a complete record.

4319
03:14:20,620 --> 03:14:23,589
We are all opposed. The fact

4320
03:14:23,589 --> 03:14:25,591
that we have 25 landowners who

4321
03:14:25,591 --> 03:14:28,591
are vehemently opposed to this

4322
03:14:28,928 --> 03:14:31,928
should speak volumes. Thank you,

4323
03:14:34,635 --> 03:14:36,769
thank you. So I would like to

4324
03:14:36,769 --> 03:14:39,769
ask staff if there's any

4325
03:14:43,709 --> 03:14:46,709
rebuttals. Oh, sorry, did we

4326
03:14:46,912 --> 03:14:48,581
MISS You? I was not aware. I

4327
03:14:48,581 --> 03:14:50,182
didn't read it in the letter

4328
03:14:50,182 --> 03:14:51,651
that I needed to submit. I had

4329
03:14:51,651 --> 03:14:52,785
submitted a letter. My name is

4330
03:14:52,785 --> 03:14:54,821
Elizabeth McGovern. I feel like

4331
03:14:54,821 --> 03:14:56,220
I had to also submit. Okay,

4332
03:14:56,220 --> 03:14:57,990
well, please go ahead. Come up

4333
03:14:57,990 --> 03:14:59,158
to the microphone so that we

4334
03:14:59,158 --> 03:15:02,395
can so that everybody can hear

4335
03:15:02,395 --> 03:15:03,629
you. Thank you. I have no

4336
03:15:03,629 --> 03:15:04,864
opposition to giving you three

4337
03:15:04,864 --> 03:15:07,660
minutes to speak, so thank you.

4338
03:15:07,660 --> 03:15:09,602
Thank you very much. My name is

4339
03:15:09,602 --> 03:15:12,602
Elizabeth McGovern. I live at

4340
03:15:12,805 --> 03:15:14,641
1680 Calzada, which is on slide

4341
03:15:14,641 --> 03:15:16,776
nine. I believe it's basically

4342
03:15:16,776 --> 03:15:19,450
that photo is taken from

4343
03:15:19,450 --> 03:15:20,981
Calzada facing my house, and

4344
03:15:20,981 --> 03:15:22,181
the installation will be right

4345
03:15:22,181 --> 03:15:24,500
next to my house because my

4346
03:15:24,500 --> 03:15:25,251
house is at the end of my

4347
03:15:25,251 --> 03:15:27,860
property, the same location

4348
03:15:27,860 --> 03:15:30,790
that tower is going to be put

4349
03:15:30,790 --> 03:15:32,960
on. So I want to address, oh, I

4350
03:15:32,960 --> 03:15:34,828
want to address property

4351
03:15:34,828 --> 03:15:36,562
devaluation for all of those

4352
03:15:36,562 --> 03:15:39,980
around us in this cell tower

4353
03:15:39,980 --> 03:15:40,299
zone. I work in a family

4354
03:15:40,299 --> 03:15:41,968
business. I'm in real estate,

4355
03:15:41,968 --> 03:15:44,103
and I understand about

4356
03:15:44,103 --> 03:15:45,571
enhancing property values and

4357
03:15:45,571 --> 03:15:47,571
diminishing property values.

4358
03:15:49,141 --> 03:15:50,610
And if you put a 68 foot tall

4359
03:15:50,610 --> 03:15:52,211
telecommunications tower right

4360
03:15:52,211 --> 03:15:54,581
there, it is going to diminish

4361
03:15:54,581 --> 03:15:57,416
my property greatly. There's a

4362
03:15:57,416 --> 03:15:58,618
real question of buyer

4363
03:15:58,618 --> 03:16:01,618
perception, the fear of what

4364
03:16:02,121 --> 03:16:03,823
that tower will do, property

4365
03:16:03,823 --> 03:16:05,257
desirability and marketability.

4366
03:16:05,257 --> 03:16:06,826
And when a property is listed,

4367
03:16:06,826 --> 03:16:09,226
it falls under California's

4368
03:16:09,328 --> 03:16:11,728
broader disclosure law, it

4369
03:16:11,831 --> 03:16:13,667
states sellers must disclose

4370
03:16:13,667 --> 03:16:16,670
known facts that materially

4371
03:16:16,135 --> 03:16:17,937
affect the value or

4372
03:16:17,937 --> 03:16:20,337
desirability of the property.

4373
03:16:20,473 --> 03:16:23,343
It further states in regards to

4374
03:16:23,343 --> 03:16:25,612
a tower, if it is clearly

4375
03:16:25,612 --> 03:16:28,781
visible from the home, close to

4376
03:16:28,781 --> 03:16:30,983
the home, affects the view,

4377
03:16:30,983 --> 03:16:33,252
creates equipment or generator

4378
03:16:33,252 --> 03:16:35,254
noise. Those are four questions

4379
03:16:35,254 --> 03:16:37,190
that I believe I will have to

4380
03:16:37,190 --> 03:16:38,325
say yes to that, and I will

4381
03:16:38,325 --> 03:16:40,993
have to disclose that when I

4382
03:16:40,993 --> 03:16:42,940
sell my property. If I put my

4383
03:16:42,940 --> 03:16:44,397
property on the market,

4384
03:16:44,397 --> 03:16:47,397
potential buyers will ask, what

4385
03:16:47,500 --> 03:16:50,360
are the emissions, how much

4386
03:16:50,360 --> 03:16:52,972
radio frequency rf can a body

4387
03:16:52,972 --> 03:16:54,307
sustain? We have the Federal

4388
03:16:54,307 --> 03:16:56,142
Communications Board mandating

4389
03:16:56,142 --> 03:16:57,610
what's acceptable, but they do

4390
03:16:57,610 --> 03:16:59,445
have a cap on those emissions.

4391
03:16:59,445 --> 03:17:01,580
So this will lead me to believe

4392
03:17:01,580 --> 03:17:02,682
that there are negative effects.

4393
03:17:02,682 --> 03:17:04,160
And the commission believes

4394
03:17:04,160 --> 03:17:06,953
this, and that's why they put a

4395
03:17:06,953 --> 03:17:10,553
cap on these emissions. Next, I

4396
03:17:10,923 --> 03:17:12,725
ask, how many of you in this

4397
03:17:12,725 --> 03:17:14,493
room would be willing to

4398
03:17:14,493 --> 03:17:18,930
purchase a house right next to

4399
03:17:18,970 --> 03:17:20,299
a 68 foot tall eucalyptus tree

4400
03:17:20,299 --> 03:17:21,701
that's camouflaging a

4401
03:17:21,701 --> 03:17:23,170
telecommunications tower? I

4402
03:17:23,170 --> 03:17:25,671
wouldn't I wouldn't subject my

4403
03:17:25,671 --> 03:17:27,506
children to it or my family. So

4404
03:17:27,506 --> 03:17:30,900
that's going to affect my sale

4405
03:17:30,900 --> 03:17:32,145
price. It's going to affect the

4406
03:17:32,145 --> 03:17:35,820
purchase pool. I spoke to a

4407
03:17:35,820 --> 03:17:37,183
broker. He said you can look at

4408
03:17:37,183 --> 03:17:39,352
2 to 20% reduction in purchase

4409
03:17:39,352 --> 03:17:41,887
price when you are next to a

4410
03:17:41,887 --> 03:17:43,323
tower. He said that that

4411
03:17:43,323 --> 03:17:44,791
percentage is based off of the

4412
03:17:44,791 --> 03:17:47,191
response to those four

4413
03:17:47,693 --> 03:17:49,428
questions. So I understand

4414
03:17:49,428 --> 03:17:51,297
t-Mobile needs to put a tower

4415
03:17:51,297 --> 03:17:54,134
in, but I request that they put

4416
03:17:54,134 --> 03:17:55,501
it into an area that is more

4417
03:17:55,501 --> 03:17:57,670
commercial. I think you have a

4418
03:17:57,670 --> 03:17:59,205
great idea, you know, put it to

4419
03:17:59,205 --> 03:18:00,973
on the other side of the 154

4420
03:18:00,973 --> 03:18:02,410
where the the properties are

4421
03:18:02,410 --> 03:18:04,441
bigger. You have numerous

4422
03:18:04,543 --> 03:18:06,379
people around there. That's all

4423
03:18:06,379 --> 03:18:08,314
I need. Thank you so much for

4424
03:18:08,314 --> 03:18:09,483
your time. And so can I please

4425
03:18:09,483 --> 03:18:10,617
ask the speaker to submit a

4426
03:18:10,617 --> 03:18:12,618
speaker slip before you leave

4427
03:18:12,618 --> 03:18:13,786
today? Sorry. Could you please

4428
03:18:13,786 --> 03:18:15,688
fill out and submit a speaker

4429
03:18:15,688 --> 03:18:18,688
slip before you leave today?

4430
03:18:20,159 --> 03:18:22,562
Yes. Thank you. And I believe

4431
03:18:22,562 --> 03:18:24,765
that is our last speaker. Okay.

4432
03:18:24,765 --> 03:18:26,766
Thank you very much. To all of

4433
03:18:26,766 --> 03:18:28,301
the speakers. I'd like to ask

4434
03:18:28,301 --> 03:18:31,901
if there's a rebuttal from the

4435
03:18:32,272 --> 03:18:33,774
county staff. Thank you,

4436
03:18:33,774 --> 03:18:34,840
chairperson Guy Francisco

4437
03:18:34,840 --> 03:18:36,642
County planning. So I'm going

4438
03:18:36,642 --> 03:18:38,711
to try and provide a brief

4439
03:18:38,711 --> 03:18:41,380
response to most of the

4440
03:18:41,380 --> 03:18:44,380
comments that we received. I'll

4441
03:18:45,510 --> 03:18:46,752
start off with the the notices.

4442
03:18:46,752 --> 03:18:48,254
So we do send out notices at

4443
03:18:48,254 --> 03:18:50,656
two different stages of these

4444
03:18:50,656 --> 03:18:51,457
types of projects, including a

4445
03:18:51,457 --> 03:18:53,857
completeness notice that was

4446
03:18:53,927 --> 03:18:56,796
sent out to neighbors within

4447
03:18:56,796 --> 03:18:58,331
300ft back in JUNE of this year.

4448
03:18:58,331 --> 03:19:02,135
And then we also send a follow

4449
03:19:02,135 --> 03:19:03,637
up notice. You know, prior to

4450
03:19:03,637 --> 03:19:05,539
hearing. So that's also sent

4451
03:19:05,539 --> 03:19:07,173
out to neighbors within 300ft.

4452
03:19:07,173 --> 03:19:09,750
And we included both the

4453
03:19:09,750 --> 03:19:12,750
occupants and the owners of

4454
03:19:12,578 --> 03:19:14,347
each property within 300ft. As

4455
03:19:14,347 --> 03:19:15,915
far as the question about how a

4456
03:19:15,915 --> 03:19:17,283
fake eucalyptus tree is

4457
03:19:17,283 --> 03:19:18,384
compatible and the esthetics of

4458
03:19:18,384 --> 03:19:19,919
it, the short answer is the

4459
03:19:19,919 --> 03:19:22,322
county does not have specific

4460
03:19:22,322 --> 03:19:24,790
design standards for Fox for

4461
03:19:24,790 --> 03:19:25,925
faux towers. Therefore,

4462
03:19:25,925 --> 03:19:27,925
compatibility is very

4463
03:19:28,427 --> 03:19:31,330
subjective and up to discretion

4464
03:19:31,330 --> 03:19:33,466
by the commissioners today. In

4465
03:19:33,466 --> 03:19:34,567
this particular case, staff

4466
03:19:34,567 --> 03:19:36,736
considered the rural setting

4467
03:19:36,736 --> 03:19:38,904
and other large trees in the

4468
03:19:38,904 --> 03:19:41,674
general area as a basis for

4469
03:19:41,674 --> 03:19:42,842
compatibility. And there was a

4470
03:19:42,842 --> 03:19:45,440
lot of questions about the rf

4471
03:19:45,440 --> 03:19:47,790
report. So the short answer is

4472
03:19:47,790 --> 03:19:50,449
the rf reports are prepared by

4473
03:19:50,449 --> 03:19:52,219
a third third party consultant.

4474
03:19:52,219 --> 03:19:54,353
They required for all telecom

4475
03:19:54,353 --> 03:19:55,488
projects. Upon receipt of those,

4476
03:19:55,488 --> 03:19:58,257
you know, we review them to

4477
03:19:58,257 --> 03:19:59,759
make sure to confirm what sort

4478
03:19:59,759 --> 03:20:01,528
of mitigations or

4479
03:20:01,528 --> 03:20:03,528
recommendations are being

4480
03:20:03,663 --> 03:20:06,663
recommended by that third party.

4481
03:20:06,966 --> 03:20:09,502
We do also condition projects

4482
03:20:09,502 --> 03:20:11,304
such as this telecom project to

4483
03:20:11,304 --> 03:20:13,704
condition compliance. So there

4484
03:20:13,839 --> 03:20:16,800
is regular monitoring and site

4485
03:20:16,800 --> 03:20:17,430
visits from our county staff,

4486
03:20:17,430 --> 03:20:18,844
making sure that equipment is

4487
03:20:18,844 --> 03:20:20,346
running appropriately. It still

4488
03:20:20,346 --> 03:20:22,480
looks, you know, the way we

4489
03:20:22,480 --> 03:20:23,182
approved it. So that's, you

4490
03:20:23,182 --> 03:20:26,782
know, for the life of the

4491
03:20:26,819 --> 03:20:28,587
project that continues. There

4492
03:20:28,587 --> 03:20:30,724
was a question about, you know,

4493
03:20:30,724 --> 03:20:32,892
private views. As you MAY be

4494
03:20:32,892 --> 03:20:35,394
aware, we don't protect private

4495
03:20:35,394 --> 03:20:37,196
views. We evaluate public views

4496
03:20:37,196 --> 03:20:40,670
such as those that I showed on

4497
03:20:40,670 --> 03:20:43,670
my slides from Carlsbad Avenue,

4498
03:20:45,838 --> 03:20:47,840
highway 154, etc. And I believe

4499
03:20:47,840 --> 03:20:49,642
that I try to cover everything.

4500
03:20:49,642 --> 03:20:50,676
Let me know if you have any

4501
03:20:50,676 --> 03:20:52,678
other questions. Thank you. I

4502
03:20:52,678 --> 03:20:53,646
just want to add one more thing.

4503
03:20:53,646 --> 03:20:56,460
Thank you Francisco. That's

4504
03:20:56,282 --> 03:20:58,840
good. To add on to what he said

4505
03:20:58,840 --> 03:21:00,620
about no design standards. You

4506
03:21:00,620 --> 03:21:02,521
know, the department leans on

4507
03:21:02,521 --> 03:21:04,357
the bars when we do not have

4508
03:21:04,357 --> 03:21:06,692
design standards. So this is a

4509
03:21:06,692 --> 03:21:09,261
project that did go to the bar.

4510
03:21:09,261 --> 03:21:11,640
I believe that they recommended

4511
03:21:11,640 --> 03:21:12,999
the design. And so that's how

4512
03:21:12,999 --> 03:21:15,368
this got to where it is. I just

4513
03:21:15,368 --> 03:21:16,769
wanted to add that information.

4514
03:21:16,769 --> 03:21:20,700
Thank you. I do have one

4515
03:21:20,700 --> 03:21:21,875
question relative to the 300ft.

4516
03:21:21,875 --> 03:21:24,100
Looking at the size of the

4517
03:21:24,100 --> 03:21:26,279
properties around this piece of

4518
03:21:26,279 --> 03:21:27,813
property, it MAY very well just

4519
03:21:27,813 --> 03:21:29,750
have been that the neighbors

4520
03:21:29,750 --> 03:21:30,883
that have property lines that

4521
03:21:30,883 --> 03:21:32,985
touch this property might have

4522
03:21:32,985 --> 03:21:34,221
been the only ones notified.

4523
03:21:34,221 --> 03:21:36,289
And the case when we're dealing

4524
03:21:36,289 --> 03:21:38,325
with much more rural areas, do

4525
03:21:38,325 --> 03:21:41,925
we have an allowable to go

4526
03:21:45,598 --> 03:21:48,501
outside of the 300ft? Chair guy

4527
03:21:48,501 --> 03:21:49,969
to to clarify, we looked at how

4528
03:21:49,969 --> 03:21:51,405
many notices were sent out for

4529
03:21:51,405 --> 03:21:52,772
this, and there were 24

4530
03:21:52,772 --> 03:21:55,172
different properties that were

4531
03:21:55,675 --> 03:21:57,143
within the buffer area. And as

4532
03:21:57,143 --> 03:21:58,577
Francisco mentioned, two

4533
03:21:58,577 --> 03:22:00,813
separate notices were mailed

4534
03:22:00,813 --> 03:22:02,882
for each of those 24 sites, one

4535
03:22:02,882 --> 03:22:05,117
to the site itself. So that's

4536
03:22:05,117 --> 03:22:06,152
for the occupant and one to the

4537
03:22:06,152 --> 03:22:07,887
mailing address. And that's a

4538
03:22:07,887 --> 03:22:09,288
mailing address that we have

4539
03:22:09,288 --> 03:22:11,688
from the county assessor

4540
03:22:12,326 --> 03:22:15,326
records. The county can send

4541
03:22:15,761 --> 03:22:17,663
out additional notices that are

4542
03:22:17,663 --> 03:22:20,901
for a larger buffer area. In

4543
03:22:20,901 --> 03:22:22,335
this case, we did also email

4544
03:22:22,335 --> 03:22:23,402
notice as a courtesy to

4545
03:22:23,402 --> 03:22:25,802
interested parties who had

4546
03:22:26,380 --> 03:22:28,474
reached out to us. Well thank

4547
03:22:28,474 --> 03:22:30,509
you. 24 is greater than what I

4548
03:22:30,509 --> 03:22:31,677
had understood, so thank you

4549
03:22:31,677 --> 03:22:33,512
for that. Also, was there a

4550
03:22:33,512 --> 03:22:34,647
sign put out at the property

4551
03:22:34,647 --> 03:22:36,150
showing that there was

4552
03:22:36,150 --> 03:22:37,817
something that was going to

4553
03:22:37,817 --> 03:22:40,817
happen? I mean, driver's by,

4554
03:22:41,200 --> 03:22:42,488
would they have seen a sign?

4555
03:22:42,488 --> 03:22:43,589
Chairperson guy yes, there is

4556
03:22:43,589 --> 03:22:46,589
signage and it's required to

4557
03:22:46,826 --> 03:22:47,994
stay up during the review

4558
03:22:47,994 --> 03:22:51,263
process. So it should still be

4559
03:22:51,263 --> 03:22:54,863
up today. Okay. Thank you, I

4560
03:22:55,401 --> 03:22:57,801
appreciate that. Any questions

4561
03:22:59,338 --> 03:23:00,773
from the commissioners?

4562
03:23:00,773 --> 03:23:02,773
Commissioner Americana thank

4563
03:23:03,676 --> 03:23:07,276
you. A couple of questions for

4564
03:23:07,313 --> 03:23:09,815
staff. You mentioned that the

4565
03:23:09,815 --> 03:23:12,215
county will, on occasion

4566
03:23:13,850 --> 03:23:15,221
monitor compliance for cell

4567
03:23:15,221 --> 03:23:17,230
phone towers or other

4568
03:23:17,230 --> 03:23:19,926
installations. So first, let me

4569
03:23:19,926 --> 03:23:22,610
ask county counsel, do the

4570
03:23:22,610 --> 03:23:24,461
federal regulations allow a

4571
03:23:24,964 --> 03:23:27,670
local jurisdiction to monitor

4572
03:23:27,670 --> 03:23:29,467
and then enforce federal

4573
03:23:34,340 --> 03:23:36,142
standards for rf propagation?

4574
03:23:36,142 --> 03:23:38,542
Chair Guy Commissioner. Mayor

4575
03:23:41,514 --> 03:23:43,316
Connor, to the extent that our

4576
03:23:43,316 --> 03:23:45,316
requirements are consistent

4577
03:23:45,851 --> 03:23:47,553
with the fcc limits, yes, I

4578
03:23:47,553 --> 03:23:50,156
believe we would be able to.

4579
03:23:50,156 --> 03:23:51,290
And that's reflected in the

4580
03:23:51,290 --> 03:23:53,690
conditions of approval. When

4581
03:23:54,460 --> 03:23:57,331
you review the the compliance

4582
03:23:57,331 --> 03:23:58,931
monitoring condition. And do we

4583
03:23:58,931 --> 03:24:00,766
have the follow on question?

4584
03:24:00,766 --> 03:24:02,100
I'm glad to hear that, by the

4585
03:24:02,100 --> 03:24:04,604
way. But the follow on question

4586
03:24:04,604 --> 03:24:07,873
is, do we have the equipment or

4587
03:24:07,873 --> 03:24:10,676
the contractors available to us

4588
03:24:10,676 --> 03:24:13,179
to do this kind of compliance

4589
03:24:13,179 --> 03:24:15,810
monitoring of rf emissions? And

4590
03:24:15,810 --> 03:24:16,782
have we done it before with

4591
03:24:16,782 --> 03:24:19,782
other kinds of cell phone

4592
03:24:20,720 --> 03:24:22,555
towers? Francisco County

4593
03:24:22,555 --> 03:24:24,230
planning here. Yes. Our permit

4594
03:24:24,230 --> 03:24:25,758
compliance staff does have the

4595
03:24:25,758 --> 03:24:29,280
equipment to go out to the

4596
03:24:29,280 --> 03:24:30,830
sites and verify compliance.

4597
03:24:30,830 --> 03:24:32,999
And the experience in using the

4598
03:24:32,999 --> 03:24:35,167
equipment, obviously, and I

4599
03:24:35,167 --> 03:24:36,602
want to add to that that as you

4600
03:24:36,602 --> 03:24:38,500
can see in the condition of

4601
03:24:38,500 --> 03:24:40,873
approval, I'm looking at the

4602
03:24:40,873 --> 03:24:43,273
condition numbers here. It's

4603
03:24:43,442 --> 03:24:45,842
condition number 13. It's our

4604
03:24:46,613 --> 03:24:49,181
standard condition Tel oh eight.

4605
03:24:49,181 --> 03:24:51,581
Fcc compliance that the

4606
03:24:52,752 --> 03:24:55,321
operator is required to provide

4607
03:24:55,321 --> 03:24:56,756
regular testing results to

4608
03:24:56,756 --> 03:24:59,156
compliance staff. They're also

4609
03:24:59,992 --> 03:25:01,761
required to provide testing

4610
03:25:01,761 --> 03:25:04,161
after everything is installed

4611
03:25:05,640 --> 03:25:06,465
to confirm that it matches the

4612
03:25:06,465 --> 03:25:08,340
compliance report that was

4613
03:25:08,340 --> 03:25:10,137
received prior to decision

4614
03:25:10,137 --> 03:25:12,204
maker action. And what's the

4615
03:25:12,204 --> 03:25:14,106
frequency of the rf testing

4616
03:25:14,106 --> 03:25:16,208
after the cell phone tower has

4617
03:25:16,208 --> 03:25:18,608
been installed and is

4618
03:25:19,110 --> 03:25:21,411
operational? I'm going to

4619
03:25:26,919 --> 03:25:29,919
review the condition here. I

4620
03:25:31,324 --> 03:25:34,193
interject here so the the

4621
03:25:34,193 --> 03:25:35,361
federal requirements there, the

4622
03:25:35,361 --> 03:25:37,763
reporting is required at least

4623
03:25:37,763 --> 03:25:40,733
every five years unless it's

4624
03:25:40,733 --> 03:25:42,435
deemed necessary to be more or

4625
03:25:42,435 --> 03:25:44,570
I guess sooner by permanent

4626
03:25:44,570 --> 03:25:45,672
compliance staff. But it's a

4627
03:25:45,672 --> 03:25:48,672
minimum of five years every

4628
03:25:49,642 --> 03:25:52,178
five years. That's that's the

4629
03:25:52,178 --> 03:25:54,578
federal standard. Does our

4630
03:25:54,680 --> 03:25:55,749
condition impose a frequency

4631
03:25:55,749 --> 03:25:57,350
requirement? Does it say

4632
03:25:57,350 --> 03:26:00,350
anything about how often there

4633
03:26:01,587 --> 03:26:03,456
will be a test of rf emissions?

4634
03:26:03,456 --> 03:26:06,258
Yes, the condition does. I just

4635
03:26:06,258 --> 03:26:07,660
add it here every five years

4636
03:26:07,660 --> 03:26:09,660
following the initial

4637
03:26:11,297 --> 03:26:12,999
installation verification. Okay.

4638
03:26:12,999 --> 03:26:17,199
If we wanted to make that every

4639
03:26:24,577 --> 03:26:25,745
three years, could we do it?

4640
03:26:25,745 --> 03:26:26,846
We'd have commissioners. We'd

4641
03:26:26,846 --> 03:26:28,714
have to check and see if

4642
03:26:28,714 --> 03:26:30,160
there's any limit from on the

4643
03:26:30,160 --> 03:26:32,551
federal level to doing that.

4644
03:26:32,551 --> 03:26:35,210
Okay? Okay. All right. And then

4645
03:26:35,210 --> 03:26:38,424
I want to switch subjects to

4646
03:26:38,424 --> 03:26:40,760
the view impacts of the project.

4647
03:26:40,760 --> 03:26:42,928
And I think staff touched on

4648
03:26:42,928 --> 03:26:46,528
this when you said that the

4649
03:26:46,900 --> 03:26:49,402
county. Looks at the view

4650
03:26:49,402 --> 03:26:51,203
impacts from public property,

4651
03:26:51,203 --> 03:26:52,471
not private property. Did I

4652
03:26:52,471 --> 03:26:55,542
understand you to say that? Did

4653
03:26:55,542 --> 03:26:56,243
I understand that correctly?

4654
03:26:56,243 --> 03:26:57,677
Commissioner? Mayor Connor

4655
03:26:57,677 --> 03:26:59,879
through the chair Yes, that is

4656
03:26:59,879 --> 03:27:02,279
our standard. We evaluate

4657
03:27:03,816 --> 03:27:05,170
public views, Viewsheds and the

4658
03:27:05,170 --> 03:27:07,417
county's standards. The land

4659
03:27:07,454 --> 03:27:08,854
use standards require that the

4660
03:27:08,854 --> 03:27:11,230
county or the Commission look

4661
03:27:11,230 --> 03:27:13,960
at the impacts from public

4662
03:27:13,960 --> 03:27:15,361
property, streets, highways,

4663
03:27:15,361 --> 03:27:17,863
that sort of thing. Is that

4664
03:27:17,863 --> 03:27:20,320
right? That's correct. Okay.

4665
03:27:20,320 --> 03:27:22,201
The fact that a tower might

4666
03:27:22,201 --> 03:27:23,669
have an impact on private

4667
03:27:23,669 --> 03:27:25,806
property. And one of our

4668
03:27:25,806 --> 03:27:28,708
speakers spoke about having a

4669
03:27:28,708 --> 03:27:31,310
house on a nearby property and

4670
03:27:31,310 --> 03:27:33,713
was worried about the impact of

4671
03:27:33,713 --> 03:27:35,515
the view from her house. Is

4672
03:27:35,515 --> 03:27:36,984
that something that the county

4673
03:27:36,984 --> 03:27:38,850
can consider? And deciding

4674
03:27:38,850 --> 03:27:41,587
whether or not this is an

4675
03:27:41,587 --> 03:27:42,455
appropriate project? Yeah,

4676
03:27:42,455 --> 03:27:45,455
commissioners, I will I will

4677
03:27:45,592 --> 03:27:47,427
say this to you, this is a Cup

4678
03:27:47,427 --> 03:27:50,262
and you have broad discretion

4679
03:27:50,262 --> 03:27:52,310
in terms of cup compatibility

4680
03:27:52,310 --> 03:27:54,568
findings, in terms of specific

4681
03:27:54,568 --> 03:27:56,702
standards for private views, we

4682
03:27:56,702 --> 03:27:58,537
do not have that. But you do

4683
03:27:58,537 --> 03:28:02,275
have the ability to look at the

4684
03:28:02,275 --> 03:28:03,943
Cup findings and really take

4685
03:28:03,943 --> 03:28:06,780
the project as a whole.

4686
03:28:06,780 --> 03:28:07,648
Comments. Everything with the

4687
03:28:07,648 --> 03:28:10,648
cup and compatibility, and you

4688
03:28:11,851 --> 03:28:14,251
have broad discretion. Okay.

4689
03:28:21,594 --> 03:28:23,994
Thank you. Commissioner Park.

4690
03:28:25,264 --> 03:28:26,565
So in other words, if we're

4691
03:28:26,565 --> 03:28:29,565
applying some of our county

4692
03:28:29,869 --> 03:28:30,603
view policies or sign

4693
03:28:30,603 --> 03:28:33,300
ordinances and all the

4694
03:28:33,720 --> 03:28:34,908
different things where we look

4695
03:28:34,908 --> 03:28:39,108
to what we can see from the

4696
03:28:40,313 --> 03:28:41,881
public road. We wouldn't

4697
03:28:41,881 --> 03:28:43,517
discuss public private views,

4698
03:28:43,517 --> 03:28:45,170
but if we're applying the broad

4699
03:28:45,170 --> 03:28:46,419
discretion, we have to

4700
03:28:46,419 --> 03:28:47,153
determine whether this is

4701
03:28:47,153 --> 03:28:48,587
compatible with the

4702
03:28:48,587 --> 03:28:50,587
neighborhood. And I'm

4703
03:28:52,191 --> 03:28:54,191
oversimplifying what finding

4704
03:28:54,728 --> 03:28:56,896
2.185 says, or 115, whatever it

4705
03:28:56,896 --> 03:28:59,310
is, we can in fact include

4706
03:28:59,310 --> 03:29:00,266
those and and so many other

4707
03:29:00,266 --> 03:29:02,234
things as long as we're acting

4708
03:29:02,234 --> 03:29:03,270
in good faith. Correct.

4709
03:29:03,270 --> 03:29:04,438
Commissioners, I believe so. I

4710
03:29:04,438 --> 03:29:06,572
mean, it's always helpful to

4711
03:29:06,572 --> 03:29:08,341
provide supporting evidence for

4712
03:29:08,341 --> 03:29:10,100
the findings. You know, why

4713
03:29:10,100 --> 03:29:12,410
you're making that connection

4714
03:29:13,112 --> 03:29:16,112
to compatibility. But I believe

4715
03:29:16,916 --> 03:29:19,118
so, yeah. Okay. I was wondering

4716
03:29:19,118 --> 03:29:20,653
if we could go, can we go back

4717
03:29:20,653 --> 03:29:22,254
to slide three and get off

4718
03:29:22,254 --> 03:29:23,457
slide ten for just a second?

4719
03:29:23,457 --> 03:29:25,257
This is based upon one of the

4720
03:29:25,257 --> 03:29:26,426
comments that one of the

4721
03:29:26,426 --> 03:29:29,261
speakers had. Is there a chance

4722
03:29:29,261 --> 03:29:31,764
to blow that up? Because the

4723
03:29:31,764 --> 03:29:34,764
location of homes and the

4724
03:29:36,435 --> 03:29:37,603
potential for rf frequency

4725
03:29:37,603 --> 03:29:38,971
transmission, I understand it's

4726
03:29:38,971 --> 03:29:40,806
a concern with the homeowners.

4727
03:29:40,806 --> 03:29:42,208
So I'm just trying to

4728
03:29:42,208 --> 03:29:44,310
understand how close the homes

4729
03:29:44,310 --> 03:29:46,779
are to this station or the what

4730
03:29:46,779 --> 03:29:50,379
do we call it, a transmission

4731
03:29:53,819 --> 03:29:55,921
tower. One thing that seems odd

4732
03:29:55,921 --> 03:29:57,356
to me is that some of the

4733
03:29:57,356 --> 03:29:59,158
neighboring homes are actually

4734
03:29:59,158 --> 03:30:00,559
closer to the tower than the

4735
03:30:00,559 --> 03:30:03,559
home that's located on this

4736
03:30:03,896 --> 03:30:05,666
parcel. Yeah, yeah. And I'm

4737
03:30:05,666 --> 03:30:06,699
just trying to get an

4738
03:30:06,699 --> 03:30:08,501
understanding again. I wasn't

4739
03:30:08,501 --> 03:30:09,835
able to drive all the way. MR.

4740
03:30:09,835 --> 03:30:11,837
Amoroso wasn't able to drive

4741
03:30:11,837 --> 03:30:12,972
all the way in in order to see

4742
03:30:12,972 --> 03:30:14,907
the location, because I hadn't

4743
03:30:14,907 --> 03:30:16,409
received approval at the time.

4744
03:30:16,409 --> 03:30:18,440
I did the site visit. But I'm

4745
03:30:18,440 --> 03:30:20,444
just trying to understand

4746
03:30:21,800 --> 03:30:22,548
there's a lot of comments about

4747
03:30:22,548 --> 03:30:24,351
radio frequencies, and there's

4748
03:30:24,351 --> 03:30:25,485
a lot of comments about the

4749
03:30:25,485 --> 03:30:27,354
views and so forth, and I'm

4750
03:30:27,354 --> 03:30:28,455
just trying to get a better

4751
03:30:28,455 --> 03:30:29,623
understanding of that. And then

4752
03:30:29,623 --> 03:30:31,557
there was there was one comment

4753
03:30:31,557 --> 03:30:33,492
that I that was in one of the

4754
03:30:33,492 --> 03:30:35,361
letters that I felt was worthy,

4755
03:30:35,361 --> 03:30:36,429
that I wrote it down and it

4756
03:30:36,429 --> 03:30:38,300
said, the rural character is

4757
03:30:38,300 --> 03:30:39,365
not incidental to this

4758
03:30:39,365 --> 03:30:40,566
neighborhood. It's one of the

4759
03:30:40,566 --> 03:30:42,966
primary reasons that people

4760
03:30:43,536 --> 03:30:44,837
choose to live here. And lots

4761
03:30:44,837 --> 03:30:48,437
of comments. But that was the

4762
03:30:48,474 --> 03:30:50,610
one that that really struck me

4763
03:30:50,610 --> 03:30:54,210
relative to the location of the

4764
03:30:57,450 --> 03:30:59,850
homes and the tower.

4765
03:31:02,755 --> 03:31:04,657
Chairperson guy. Is there a do

4766
03:31:04,657 --> 03:31:06,492
you know, do you know the

4767
03:31:06,492 --> 03:31:07,960
distance of the homes, the

4768
03:31:07,960 --> 03:31:09,395
adjacent on the adjacent

4769
03:31:09,395 --> 03:31:11,497
properties as well as the home

4770
03:31:11,497 --> 03:31:12,965
on the property, the distance

4771
03:31:12,965 --> 03:31:16,269
from the tower to those to

4772
03:31:16,269 --> 03:31:17,336
those homes? Chairperson guy I

4773
03:31:17,336 --> 03:31:18,704
don't I didn't measure every

4774
03:31:18,704 --> 03:31:19,905
single residence, but the

4775
03:31:19,905 --> 03:31:22,276
closest residence, according to

4776
03:31:22,276 --> 03:31:24,676
our records, is approximately

4777
03:31:25,211 --> 03:31:26,946
450ft to the northeast. So I

4778
03:31:26,946 --> 03:31:29,815
don't have a I don't know that

4779
03:31:29,815 --> 03:31:34,150
I have a you said 450ft, 450ft,

4780
03:31:37,356 --> 03:31:39,356
correct. Yeah. Approximately

4781
03:31:39,592 --> 03:31:40,993
where that cursor is. Okay, I

4782
03:31:40,993 --> 03:31:42,829
don't have any further

4783
03:31:42,829 --> 03:31:44,263
questions. Any of the other

4784
03:31:44,263 --> 03:31:46,663
commissioners. Any questions or

4785
03:31:47,166 --> 03:31:49,166
comments? Commissioner Martinez,

4786
03:31:51,137 --> 03:31:52,539
my question is, is okay. Q p is

4787
03:31:52,539 --> 03:31:55,410
because this is not actually

4788
03:31:55,410 --> 03:31:58,377
zoned for cell tower. Am I

4789
03:31:58,377 --> 03:31:59,412
thinking right here?

4790
03:31:59,412 --> 03:32:00,613
Commissioner Martinez I

4791
03:32:00,613 --> 03:32:02,983
wouldn't quite word it that way.

4792
03:32:02,983 --> 03:32:04,817
It is. It's a permitted use in

4793
03:32:04,817 --> 03:32:06,319
the zone, but it it's

4794
03:32:06,319 --> 03:32:07,787
conditionally permitted. Okay.

4795
03:32:07,787 --> 03:32:11,387
And what kind of zones would

4796
03:32:11,624 --> 03:32:13,793
you not need a qpi believe

4797
03:32:13,793 --> 03:32:15,361
towers this tall need a q p in

4798
03:32:15,361 --> 03:32:16,963
every zone. Okay. So no matter

4799
03:32:16,963 --> 03:32:18,898
where it goes, it's going to

4800
03:32:18,898 --> 03:32:23,980
have to come before us for a

4801
03:32:27,473 --> 03:32:30,900
correct. Yeah. Okay. Thank you.

4802
03:32:30,900 --> 03:32:31,411
So I believe that we at some

4803
03:32:31,411 --> 03:32:33,212
point should give MR. Ambrose

4804
03:32:33,212 --> 03:32:34,480
rebuttal time. And we still

4805
03:32:34,480 --> 03:32:37,480
have the unresolved issues of

4806
03:32:37,650 --> 03:32:40,650
the two letters. Okay, let's

4807
03:32:42,188 --> 03:32:45,788
start off with MR. Ambrose with

4808
03:32:47,259 --> 03:32:49,659
your rebuttal time. Good

4809
03:32:50,162 --> 03:32:52,699
morning again. I didn't hear

4810
03:32:52,699 --> 03:32:56,268
any or any of the new issues

4811
03:32:56,268 --> 03:32:58,370
that that that the. Folks spoke

4812
03:32:58,370 --> 03:32:58,971
about a staff staff addressed

4813
03:32:58,971 --> 03:33:00,806
pretty well. So I don't really

4814
03:33:00,806 --> 03:33:02,743
have anything to add to what

4815
03:33:02,743 --> 03:33:05,311
what staff has provided your

4816
03:33:05,311 --> 03:33:06,679
Commission now, in regard to

4817
03:33:06,679 --> 03:33:08,147
your CHAIRMAN, your last

4818
03:33:08,147 --> 03:33:11,147
comment about the location of

4819
03:33:11,351 --> 03:33:13,919
the tower in relation to homes,

4820
03:33:13,919 --> 03:33:16,919
etc. Please remember that the

4821
03:33:17,490 --> 03:33:19,490
county recommends minimizing

4822
03:33:19,659 --> 03:33:21,861
visual impacts from public

4823
03:33:21,861 --> 03:33:23,763
roads. So in this case, just

4824
03:33:23,763 --> 03:33:25,765
the logical solution is going

4825
03:33:25,765 --> 03:33:28,334
to be as far back off the

4826
03:33:28,334 --> 03:33:29,769
public road as possible. So

4827
03:33:29,769 --> 03:33:31,138
that's so the tower could work

4828
03:33:31,138 --> 03:33:32,306
right at the front of the

4829
03:33:32,306 --> 03:33:34,730
property in the middle of the

4830
03:33:34,730 --> 03:33:35,841
property. It could function

4831
03:33:35,841 --> 03:33:37,643
anywhere on the property. But

4832
03:33:37,643 --> 03:33:38,811
again, we're following county

4833
03:33:38,811 --> 03:33:40,646
guidance trying to keep it off

4834
03:33:40,646 --> 03:33:41,982
the public road as far as

4835
03:33:41,982 --> 03:33:43,749
possible. So again, that's the

4836
03:33:43,749 --> 03:33:45,651
reason it's at the at the back

4837
03:33:45,651 --> 03:33:47,190
of the property. Okay. Thank

4838
03:33:47,190 --> 03:33:49,889
you. The reason for my question

4839
03:33:49,889 --> 03:33:52,758
was rf emissions relative to

4840
03:33:52,758 --> 03:33:54,560
residents versus transients,

4841
03:33:54,560 --> 03:33:56,280
these residents will be living

4842
03:33:56,280 --> 03:33:57,563
near those towers. So I was

4843
03:33:57,563 --> 03:34:00,563
just trying to understand how

4844
03:34:00,733 --> 03:34:01,767
they would be impacted. So so I

4845
03:34:01,767 --> 03:34:02,936
understand what you're saying

4846
03:34:02,936 --> 03:34:04,637
relative to visual impact, but

4847
03:34:04,637 --> 03:34:06,500
I think in much greater than

4848
03:34:06,500 --> 03:34:07,573
visual impact. Well, I just

4849
03:34:07,573 --> 03:34:09,742
want to remind the commission

4850
03:34:09,742 --> 03:34:11,878
that I think Francisco

4851
03:34:11,878 --> 03:34:13,679
presented it. We did do an rf

4852
03:34:13,679 --> 03:34:14,747
study. And the worst case

4853
03:34:14,747 --> 03:34:17,147
scenario, which is standing

4854
03:34:18,684 --> 03:34:21,684
right below the tower, is 45.6%

4855
03:34:22,655 --> 03:34:23,723
of the fcc standard. The

4856
03:34:23,723 --> 03:34:25,359
further you move away from the

4857
03:34:25,359 --> 03:34:27,360
tower, that just goes down. So

4858
03:34:27,360 --> 03:34:29,760
we're already at least 50%

4859
03:34:29,830 --> 03:34:32,765
below the fcc standard right

4860
03:34:32,765 --> 03:34:34,233
under the tower. So if you're

4861
03:34:34,233 --> 03:34:37,233
expressing a concern about, you

4862
03:34:37,870 --> 03:34:40,373
know, exposure to rf, there's

4863
03:34:40,373 --> 03:34:41,408
no issue just based on the

4864
03:34:41,408 --> 03:34:43,542
evidence that's provided and

4865
03:34:43,542 --> 03:34:45,110
also the fcc standards. Yeah,

4866
03:34:45,110 --> 03:34:46,412
actually, I was just trying to

4867
03:34:46,412 --> 03:34:47,580
understand the concern from the

4868
03:34:47,580 --> 03:34:49,249
speaker's point of view. Oh,

4869
03:34:49,249 --> 03:34:50,249
okay. Thank you. Okay. Okay.

4870
03:34:50,249 --> 03:34:51,450
Understood. No, I understand

4871
03:34:51,450 --> 03:34:53,850
the perception. I understand

4872
03:34:55,540 --> 03:34:57,890
that part of it. Okay. Any

4873
03:34:57,890 --> 03:35:00,890
questions? No. Okay. Thank you,

4874
03:35:10,102 --> 03:35:11,470
MR. Ambrose. Okay. MR.

4875
03:35:11,470 --> 03:35:12,638
Villalobos, we'd like to go

4876
03:35:12,638 --> 03:35:15,541
back to the emails that were

4877
03:35:15,541 --> 03:35:16,776
received after the cutoff. You

4878
03:35:16,776 --> 03:35:18,770
know, I'd like to address them

4879
03:35:18,770 --> 03:35:20,146
in deliberations because, like

4880
03:35:20,146 --> 03:35:23,382
I said, I think they MAY be

4881
03:35:23,382 --> 03:35:25,918
muted and it would be an undue

4882
03:35:25,918 --> 03:35:28,488
use of time to belabor that

4883
03:35:28,488 --> 03:35:29,855
point. So I don't have any

4884
03:35:29,855 --> 03:35:31,324
objections to that. Any other

4885
03:35:31,324 --> 03:35:32,725
commissioners? If that's the

4886
03:35:32,725 --> 03:35:34,927
case, then we'll go to

4887
03:35:34,927 --> 03:35:37,327
deliberations. Okay. MAY I

4888
03:35:37,863 --> 03:35:39,565
speak first? Commissioner Pak,

4889
03:35:39,565 --> 03:35:42,565
would you please speak first?

4890
03:35:43,569 --> 03:35:45,838
Yeah. I've thought about this a

4891
03:35:45,838 --> 03:35:48,608
lot, and I've been here before.

4892
03:35:48,608 --> 03:35:51,477
We've had you might you might

4893
03:35:51,477 --> 03:35:52,678
think that we lived on cannabis

4894
03:35:52,678 --> 03:35:54,680
cases, but in fact, we've

4895
03:35:54,680 --> 03:35:56,549
actually had more fun cases

4896
03:35:56,549 --> 03:35:57,817
than cannabis cases over the

4897
03:35:57,817 --> 03:35:59,719
years. And most of the time

4898
03:35:59,719 --> 03:36:02,288
they just simply get approved.

4899
03:36:02,288 --> 03:36:03,889
But sometimes neighbors bring

4900
03:36:03,889 --> 03:36:05,859
things up and we have to spend

4901
03:36:05,859 --> 03:36:07,327
some time digging into it. And,

4902
03:36:07,327 --> 03:36:09,610
and this is one of those. And

4903
03:36:09,610 --> 03:36:10,529
that's where we get these

4904
03:36:10,529 --> 03:36:11,964
tension between what's

4905
03:36:11,964 --> 03:36:14,364
preempted by federal government

4906
03:36:14,500 --> 03:36:16,369
on rf. But what are what can we

4907
03:36:16,369 --> 03:36:19,171
look at? And we can, in fact,

4908
03:36:19,171 --> 03:36:20,606
look at. Because it's a cup, we

4909
03:36:20,606 --> 03:36:22,775
have very broad discretion to

4910
03:36:22,775 --> 03:36:23,509
look at such things as

4911
03:36:23,509 --> 03:36:24,544
compatibility with the

4912
03:36:24,544 --> 03:36:26,130
neighborhood. And there's a

4913
03:36:26,130 --> 03:36:28,948
specific finding on it, and it

4914
03:36:28,948 --> 03:36:31,830
appears in every single finding.

4915
03:36:31,830 --> 03:36:32,485
I would like to make a motion,

4916
03:36:32,485 --> 03:36:35,355
and then I would like to

4917
03:36:35,355 --> 03:36:37,890
explain why making that motion

4918
03:36:37,890 --> 03:36:41,494
and that motion is not a motion

4919
03:36:41,494 --> 03:36:44,300
for approval, because right now

4920
03:36:44,300 --> 03:36:45,197
I can't do what former

4921
03:36:45,197 --> 03:36:47,597
Commissioner Cooney taught me

4922
03:36:47,933 --> 03:36:50,136
to do, and that is focus on the

4923
03:36:50,136 --> 03:36:52,271
findings and decide whether I

4924
03:36:52,271 --> 03:36:54,441
can make those findings. And I

4925
03:36:54,441 --> 03:36:56,342
can't make the finding that's

4926
03:36:56,342 --> 03:36:58,778
part of every cup. In fact,

4927
03:36:58,778 --> 03:37:00,913
it's what makes a cup a cup,

4928
03:37:00,913 --> 03:37:03,482
and that is the compatibility

4929
03:37:03,482 --> 03:37:07,820
finding. We just don't have the

4930
03:37:07,753 --> 03:37:09,922
information. I don't want to

4931
03:37:09,922 --> 03:37:11,625
make the motion to deny the

4932
03:37:11,625 --> 03:37:14,561
project because after seeing so

4933
03:37:14,561 --> 03:37:16,162
many of these over the years,

4934
03:37:16,162 --> 03:37:17,863
with the constraints we have

4935
03:37:17,863 --> 03:37:20,660
with the federal government and

4936
03:37:20,660 --> 03:37:22,501
such, there's going to be

4937
03:37:22,501 --> 03:37:24,337
approval of some site somewhere.

4938
03:37:24,337 --> 03:37:27,937
That's just what has to happen.

4939
03:37:27,940 --> 03:37:30,443
So if I told all the folks out

4940
03:37:30,443 --> 03:37:32,110
there, I can make a motion to

4941
03:37:32,110 --> 03:37:33,713
deny this and that's going to

4942
03:37:33,713 --> 03:37:36,215
kill the project, I would be

4943
03:37:36,215 --> 03:37:38,751
lying to you. Honestly, what's

4944
03:37:38,751 --> 03:37:41,153
going to happen is we should do

4945
03:37:41,153 --> 03:37:43,550
what we can to make it the best

4946
03:37:43,550 --> 03:37:44,858
project possible for the whole

4947
03:37:44,858 --> 03:37:46,993
neighborhood, but realize we

4948
03:37:46,993 --> 03:37:49,895
have to attend to that. And

4949
03:37:49,895 --> 03:37:52,431
that's why my motion is a

4950
03:37:52,431 --> 03:37:55,302
motion to continue this matter

4951
03:37:55,302 --> 03:37:58,237
to the next available hearing

4952
03:37:58,237 --> 03:38:01,774
that staff can suggest for us.

4953
03:38:01,774 --> 03:38:05,120
And during that time, I want to

4954
03:38:05,120 --> 03:38:07,146
afford MR. Ambrose, an apc, the

4955
03:38:07,146 --> 03:38:09,146
opportunity to explore

4956
03:38:09,315 --> 03:38:11,117
alternate sites and go beyond

4957
03:38:11,117 --> 03:38:14,200
what you've looked at already,

4958
03:38:14,200 --> 03:38:16,188
which we've listed by by

4959
03:38:16,188 --> 03:38:19,392
addresses, and look on the east

4960
03:38:19,392 --> 03:38:22,992
side of 154. Why would you do

4961
03:38:23,362 --> 03:38:26,362
that? Because your own service

4962
03:38:27,300 --> 03:38:28,801
map shows that sites within 154

4963
03:38:28,801 --> 03:38:30,569
are within that same service

4964
03:38:30,569 --> 03:38:33,569
area, and would have similar

4965
03:38:33,839 --> 03:38:35,908
coverage. If we look at

4966
03:38:35,908 --> 03:38:38,908
topography sites on the other

4967
03:38:39,211 --> 03:38:40,680
side of one, 54 are elevated

4968
03:38:40,680 --> 03:38:43,182
compared to the project site,

4969
03:38:43,182 --> 03:38:44,951
which is more or less in a hole.

4970
03:38:44,951 --> 03:38:47,486
I have not been on the project

4971
03:38:47,486 --> 03:38:49,822
site. I've been to the very

4972
03:38:49,822 --> 03:38:51,490
western end, the end adjacent

4973
03:38:51,490 --> 03:38:53,193
to the project site of the

4974
03:38:53,193 --> 03:38:54,728
Cheney property. You know, the

4975
03:38:54,728 --> 03:38:56,462
Cheney property. And it's the

4976
03:38:56,462 --> 03:38:57,630
it's it's the next one to the

4977
03:38:57,630 --> 03:38:59,465
right of that. And I've seen

4978
03:38:59,465 --> 03:39:01,534
the hole in property. I've seen

4979
03:39:01,534 --> 03:39:02,802
others. Yes. There are

4980
03:39:02,802 --> 03:39:04,737
substantial improvements that

4981
03:39:04,737 --> 03:39:06,205
are much closer to this site

4982
03:39:06,205 --> 03:39:07,740
than the house on the twig

4983
03:39:07,740 --> 03:39:09,809
property is in fact, the the

4984
03:39:09,809 --> 03:39:12,712
Cheney property has got things

4985
03:39:12,712 --> 03:39:15,712
right near there. The distance

4986
03:39:15,983 --> 03:39:19,485
from the antenna to the Cheney

4987
03:39:19,485 --> 03:39:20,653
property is 54ft per the

4988
03:39:20,653 --> 03:39:22,188
exhibits we've seen today,

4989
03:39:22,188 --> 03:39:24,190
which is less than the height

4990
03:39:24,190 --> 03:39:26,792
of the structure. So yes, there

4991
03:39:26,792 --> 03:39:28,227
there are impacts, but it sits

4992
03:39:28,227 --> 03:39:30,162
in a hole. It would just stand

4993
03:39:30,162 --> 03:39:31,897
a reason to me that we should

4994
03:39:31,897 --> 03:39:33,899
explore those sites on the

4995
03:39:33,899 --> 03:39:35,401
other side of 154 that are

4996
03:39:35,401 --> 03:39:37,536
elevated and would have more

4997
03:39:37,536 --> 03:39:39,500
coverage, and they do not have

4998
03:39:39,500 --> 03:39:40,406
the problem of being near

4999
03:39:40,406 --> 03:39:42,275
people's homes or on small

5000
03:39:42,275 --> 03:39:43,342
parcels, or on much bigger

5001
03:39:43,342 --> 03:39:45,145
parcels, where there are all

5002
03:39:45,145 --> 03:39:46,879
sorts of other odd things. And

5003
03:39:46,879 --> 03:39:48,714
you can even see from this

5004
03:39:48,714 --> 03:39:50,850
picture, it's tree lined,

5005
03:39:50,850 --> 03:39:52,252
especially on the east side.

5006
03:39:52,252 --> 03:39:54,855
And many of those trees are

5007
03:39:54,855 --> 03:39:57,356
very tall eucalyptus trees, and

5008
03:39:57,356 --> 03:39:58,758
some are sitting on hills and,

5009
03:39:58,758 --> 03:40:00,359
and it seems much more

5010
03:40:00,359 --> 03:40:01,661
appropriate to site over there

5011
03:40:01,661 --> 03:40:03,430
where it would not bother

5012
03:40:03,430 --> 03:40:06,332
people and would give us

5013
03:40:06,332 --> 03:40:08,167
similar coverage. I believe

5014
03:40:08,167 --> 03:40:10,537
then then this site, this

5015
03:40:10,537 --> 03:40:11,804
should be explored. We owe it

5016
03:40:11,804 --> 03:40:14,641
to these people to explore that.

5017
03:40:14,641 --> 03:40:16,409
And that's why I want to afford

5018
03:40:16,409 --> 03:40:19,409
apc the opportunity to explore

5019
03:40:20,120 --> 03:40:23,120
other sites. There are sites

5020
03:40:24,351 --> 03:40:26,852
that are on the Chumash

5021
03:40:26,852 --> 03:40:29,388
Triangle, and there are sites

5022
03:40:29,388 --> 03:40:32,592
at a very large one, that apc

5023
03:40:32,592 --> 03:40:36,192
has an easement for at the

5024
03:40:36,195 --> 03:40:37,897
corner of Fox and. And. 154 so

5025
03:40:37,897 --> 03:40:41,233
they they know the area they

5026
03:40:41,233 --> 03:40:43,569
can explore in between. And we

5027
03:40:43,569 --> 03:40:45,237
will answer any other questions

5028
03:40:45,237 --> 03:40:48,441
that that people can think of.

5029
03:40:48,441 --> 03:40:50,544
One that I have is if 68ft

5030
03:40:50,544 --> 03:40:53,544
seems really tall, because it

5031
03:40:55,281 --> 03:40:57,817
is where that is, would 240ft

5032
03:40:57,817 --> 03:40:59,652
in ten. I achieve the same

5033
03:40:59,652 --> 03:41:01,420
amount of coverage with much

5034
03:41:01,420 --> 03:41:02,521
less disturbance to the

5035
03:41:02,521 --> 03:41:03,889
neighbors. But these are things

5036
03:41:03,889 --> 03:41:06,580
we need to explore further

5037
03:41:06,580 --> 03:41:09,996
before we can vote on this. So

5038
03:41:09,996 --> 03:41:10,997
that's my motion. So chair and

5039
03:41:10,997 --> 03:41:12,665
members of the commission,

5040
03:41:12,665 --> 03:41:14,330
there's two things that we need

5041
03:41:14,330 --> 03:41:15,635
to address because there's two

5042
03:41:15,635 --> 03:41:16,936
motions on the floor. There's a

5043
03:41:16,936 --> 03:41:18,671
motion about the letters that

5044
03:41:18,671 --> 03:41:20,506
was tabled by Commissioner Park.

5045
03:41:20,506 --> 03:41:22,676
And now there's another motion

5046
03:41:22,676 --> 03:41:24,110
that we can refine. That's a

5047
03:41:24,110 --> 03:41:26,510
continuance motion. Well, and

5048
03:41:27,780 --> 03:41:30,180
the continuance motion moots

5049
03:41:30,216 --> 03:41:32,386
the other motion because we

5050
03:41:32,386 --> 03:41:33,986
don't need those letters today.

5051
03:41:33,986 --> 03:41:34,887
Those letters can be submitted.

5052
03:41:34,887 --> 03:41:36,389
They've already been submitted.

5053
03:41:36,389 --> 03:41:38,758
And they'll be in time for the

5054
03:41:38,758 --> 03:41:40,326
next hearing. So we just don't

5055
03:41:40,326 --> 03:41:42,950
need just to rephrase that, I'm

5056
03:41:42,950 --> 03:41:43,529
hearing that the motion makers

5057
03:41:43,529 --> 03:41:45,310
withdrawing that motion on

5058
03:41:45,310 --> 03:41:47,310
those letters, because

5059
03:41:47,433 --> 03:41:48,868
otherwise it was tabled. Yeah,

5060
03:41:48,868 --> 03:41:51,837
because it is mute by

5061
03:41:51,837 --> 03:41:54,237
continuing it, but conditional

5062
03:41:57,243 --> 03:41:58,811
on the passage of the motion to.

5063
03:41:58,811 --> 03:42:00,346
To continue the matter, because

5064
03:42:00,346 --> 03:42:02,548
I don't want to have that

5065
03:42:02,548 --> 03:42:04,784
motion fail. And then my other

5066
03:42:04,784 --> 03:42:06,252
motion has been withdrawn. So

5067
03:42:06,252 --> 03:42:08,200
that's why I've now stated for

5068
03:42:08,200 --> 03:42:10,523
the third time, I want to

5069
03:42:10,523 --> 03:42:12,326
consider it after the motion I

5070
03:42:12,326 --> 03:42:15,194
bring up in deliberations. Okay.

5071
03:42:15,194 --> 03:42:18,194
So we'll table that discussion

5072
03:42:18,397 --> 03:42:20,266
further. Chair the other items

5073
03:42:20,266 --> 03:42:23,502
to consider on the motion for

5074
03:42:23,502 --> 03:42:25,720
continuance is that this

5075
03:42:25,720 --> 03:42:26,339
particular project is mandated

5076
03:42:26,339 --> 03:42:27,440
to be heard in a certain period

5077
03:42:27,440 --> 03:42:30,900
of time, which is commonly

5078
03:42:30,900 --> 03:42:33,579
referred as a shot clock that

5079
03:42:33,579 --> 03:42:35,247
expires on OCTOBER 13th. So if

5080
03:42:35,247 --> 03:42:36,782
it isn't heard by OCTOBER 13th

5081
03:42:36,782 --> 03:42:39,285
or decision made, then it's

5082
03:42:39,285 --> 03:42:41,253
automatically approved. So we

5083
03:42:41,253 --> 03:42:44,853
would need to ask the applicant

5084
03:42:46,492 --> 03:42:47,627
if he's willing to. Consider a

5085
03:42:47,627 --> 03:42:50,270
tolling agreement, which would

5086
03:42:50,496 --> 03:42:52,299
extend that time period out.

5087
03:42:52,299 --> 03:42:53,733
And that's where we need to

5088
03:42:53,733 --> 03:42:55,201
maybe take a break, talk to the

5089
03:42:55,201 --> 03:42:57,370
applicant and staff on what

5090
03:42:57,370 --> 03:42:58,504
that date would look like.

5091
03:42:58,504 --> 03:43:00,941
Staff is whispering and giving

5092
03:43:00,941 --> 03:43:02,708
me hand signals about later in

5093
03:43:02,708 --> 03:43:03,776
this year, but we need to hear

5094
03:43:03,776 --> 03:43:04,810
from the applicant, if that's

5095
03:43:04,810 --> 03:43:07,810
even feasible, to come back

5096
03:43:08,514 --> 03:43:09,949
with information that is being

5097
03:43:09,949 --> 03:43:11,884
requested. So if we could take

5098
03:43:11,884 --> 03:43:12,952
a short break so we can get

5099
03:43:12,952 --> 03:43:14,320
that information, we can come

5100
03:43:14,320 --> 03:43:15,988
back and address the motion. Is

5101
03:43:15,988 --> 03:43:17,823
it is it possible to take a

5102
03:43:17,823 --> 03:43:19,910
short break and have us remain

5103
03:43:19,910 --> 03:43:20,426
here so that we don't have to

5104
03:43:20,426 --> 03:43:22,940
hurt everybody back together

5105
03:43:22,940 --> 03:43:23,963
again, chair and commissioners,

5106
03:43:23,963 --> 03:43:25,331
that is correct. Okay. And I

5107
03:43:25,331 --> 03:43:27,233
would certainly favor that as

5108
03:43:27,233 --> 03:43:29,100
part of my motion because, you

5109
03:43:29,100 --> 03:43:30,236
know, if if the shot clock

5110
03:43:30,236 --> 03:43:32,380
applies and we can't possibly

5111
03:43:32,380 --> 03:43:34,730
have a hearing before OCTOBER

5112
03:43:34,730 --> 03:43:37,310
13th, then we're forced to vote

5113
03:43:37,310 --> 03:43:39,145
to approve or deny the the

5114
03:43:39,145 --> 03:43:42,145
matter today. And the applicant

5115
03:43:44,583 --> 03:43:47,386
risks denial. Okay, let's go

5116
03:43:47,386 --> 03:43:50,257
ahead and take that short break

5117
03:43:50,257 --> 03:43:53,159
so that the applicant can speak

5118
03:43:53,159 --> 03:43:54,260
with staff. Thank you. Please,

5119
03:43:54,260 --> 03:43:57,860
everybody else, if you can stay

5120
03:44:13,312 --> 03:44:16,312
close by. Okay. Thank you.

5121
03:50:03,963 --> 03:50:05,765
Okay.

5122
03:50:05,765 --> 03:50:08,765
We're returning back from our

5123
03:50:09,350 --> 03:50:10,360
short break. MR. Wilson. Chair,

5124
03:50:10,360 --> 03:50:12,436
members of the commission.

5125
03:50:13,500 --> 03:50:14,774
We've met with staff and the

5126
03:50:14,774 --> 03:50:16,910
applicant, and he's willing to

5127
03:50:16,910 --> 03:50:18,544
continue this to DECEMBER 9th.

5128
03:50:18,544 --> 03:50:20,513
So for the motion maker, it

5129
03:50:20,513 --> 03:50:22,682
would be to continue this item

5130
03:50:22,682 --> 03:50:24,850
to DECEMBER 9th to give him

5131
03:50:24,850 --> 03:50:26,180
enough time to prepare the

5132
03:50:26,180 --> 03:50:27,853
required studies and then come

5133
03:50:27,853 --> 03:50:30,222
back on the ninth and present

5134
03:50:30,222 --> 03:50:32,910
that to the commission. But we

5135
03:50:32,910 --> 03:50:33,526
do want to have invite the

5136
03:50:33,526 --> 03:50:35,328
applicant to come forward and

5137
03:50:35,328 --> 03:50:37,464
get that on the record. For him

5138
03:50:37,464 --> 03:50:39,932
to say that he's agreeing to

5139
03:50:39,932 --> 03:50:40,633
continue it to the ninth. Okay.

5140
03:50:40,633 --> 03:50:41,133
Applicant, please

5141
03:50:41,133 --> 03:50:43,133
come forward

5142
03:50:43,903 --> 03:50:48,103
so we can get that on the

5143
03:50:48,240 --> 03:50:49,308
record. Yes, we're in agreement.

5144
03:50:49,308 --> 03:50:52,308
Thank you, MR. Ambrose. We

5145
03:50:53,613 --> 03:50:55,915
appreciate it, MR. Chair.

5146
03:50:55,915 --> 03:50:57,116
Commissioner o'Connor, while

5147
03:50:57,116 --> 03:51:00,116
the applicant is standing at

5148
03:51:01,220 --> 03:51:03,220
the microphone, it MAY help to

5149
03:51:03,220 --> 03:51:04,900
answer both the Commission's

5150
03:51:04,900 --> 03:51:06,490
questions and the neighbors

5151
03:51:07,327 --> 03:51:10,327
questions. If there were an

5152
03:51:10,563 --> 03:51:12,963
independent analysis of the

5153
03:51:13,650 --> 03:51:15,602
expected rf emissions from this

5154
03:51:15,602 --> 03:51:17,670
facility in connection with any

5155
03:51:17,670 --> 03:51:19,171
nearby residences. And when I

5156
03:51:19,171 --> 03:51:21,741
say independent, I mean a

5157
03:51:21,741 --> 03:51:23,909
consultant selected by county

5158
03:51:23,909 --> 03:51:26,746
staff and reporting to county

5159
03:51:26,746 --> 03:51:28,514
staff. But then, of course, the

5160
03:51:28,514 --> 03:51:31,500
applicant would pay for that

5161
03:51:31,500 --> 03:51:33,252
additional study. And my

5162
03:51:33,252 --> 03:51:34,988
question, first of all to staff,

5163
03:51:34,988 --> 03:51:37,988
is that something that you

5164
03:51:38,324 --> 03:51:40,724
would undertake and support?

5165
03:51:40,826 --> 03:51:42,261
And if the answer there is yes,

5166
03:51:42,261 --> 03:51:43,529
is that something that the

5167
03:51:43,529 --> 03:51:44,897
applicant would be willing to

5168
03:51:44,897 --> 03:51:46,532
pay for as part of the work

5169
03:51:46,532 --> 03:51:49,435
that's being done between now

5170
03:51:49,435 --> 03:51:52,435
and DECEMBER 9th, is your

5171
03:51:53,773 --> 03:51:55,943
question? We would run a report.

5172
03:51:55,943 --> 03:51:57,543
Essentially exposure levels at

5173
03:51:57,543 --> 03:52:02,343
House a, b and c, that kind of

5174
03:52:02,348 --> 03:52:05,348
a report, correct? Sure. Okay.

5175
03:52:06,386 --> 03:52:08,521
I would I would add that to as

5176
03:52:08,521 --> 03:52:11,570
a friendly amendment to the

5177
03:52:11,570 --> 03:52:12,124
motion to continue this matter,

5178
03:52:12,124 --> 03:52:14,600
assuming there's a motion on

5179
03:52:14,600 --> 03:52:15,795
the floor, is there a motion on

5180
03:52:15,795 --> 03:52:17,430
the floor? Yes, yes, yes. And

5181
03:52:17,430 --> 03:52:20,320
we would have we would rely on

5182
03:52:20,320 --> 03:52:21,767
staff to give us a specifics. I

5183
03:52:21,767 --> 03:52:23,937
would ask the maker of the

5184
03:52:23,937 --> 03:52:26,272
motion if he agrees with my

5185
03:52:26,272 --> 03:52:28,672
friendly amendment. So Chair

5186
03:52:28,674 --> 03:52:30,843
and commissioners, we I think

5187
03:52:30,843 --> 03:52:31,944
staff has some comments and

5188
03:52:31,944 --> 03:52:34,800
concerns about that condition.

5189
03:52:34,800 --> 03:52:36,215
Okay. So we're not in alignment

5190
03:52:36,215 --> 03:52:37,683
with that condition. All right.

5191
03:52:37,683 --> 03:52:41,883
So we don't know if we could

5192
03:52:42,388 --> 03:52:43,757
actually implement that. So we

5193
03:52:43,757 --> 03:52:44,891
would we would say that

5194
03:52:44,891 --> 03:52:46,659
wouldn't be something that we'd

5195
03:52:46,659 --> 03:52:48,461
want to entertain at this

5196
03:52:48,461 --> 03:52:49,562
moment without doing further

5197
03:52:49,562 --> 03:52:51,962
research, analysis on what

5198
03:52:53,532 --> 03:52:55,100
you're asking, because we don't,

5199
03:52:55,100 --> 03:52:55,735
according to what's being

5200
03:52:55,735 --> 03:52:56,902
reported by staff, is that

5201
03:52:56,902 --> 03:52:58,604
we're having a difficult time

5202
03:52:58,604 --> 03:52:59,672
getting the peer reviewers to

5203
03:52:59,672 --> 03:53:01,107
take on that liability to do

5204
03:53:01,107 --> 03:53:02,875
that. Currently, my

5205
03:53:02,875 --> 03:53:04,311
understanding is that the

5206
03:53:04,311 --> 03:53:05,745
applicant does submit the rf

5207
03:53:05,745 --> 03:53:08,648
studies to the county, and then

5208
03:53:08,648 --> 03:53:09,682
we have them peer reviewed. Oh,

5209
03:53:09,682 --> 03:53:11,150
okay. The study is peer

5210
03:53:11,150 --> 03:53:12,285
reviewed by an independent

5211
03:53:12,285 --> 03:53:14,453
expert to determine whether or

5212
03:53:14,453 --> 03:53:18,530
not the study is reliable. Is

5213
03:53:18,658 --> 03:53:20,493
that what we do? Commissioners,

5214
03:53:20,493 --> 03:53:23,493
we are having trouble finding

5215
03:53:24,163 --> 03:53:25,565
someone to peer review. So I, I,

5216
03:53:25,565 --> 03:53:27,199
I don't think staff has any

5217
03:53:27,199 --> 03:53:30,636
issues with you asking for them

5218
03:53:30,636 --> 03:53:32,380
to do the report. Whether we

5219
03:53:32,380 --> 03:53:33,440
have the ability to find

5220
03:53:33,440 --> 03:53:35,374
someone to peer review it in

5221
03:53:35,374 --> 03:53:36,777
the time frame, we can try, we

5222
03:53:36,777 --> 03:53:38,844
can try again, reach out to

5223
03:53:38,844 --> 03:53:41,844
some different people. But I

5224
03:53:42,448 --> 03:53:43,917
think due to a lot of the legal

5225
03:53:43,917 --> 03:53:45,752
issues around wireless and

5226
03:53:45,752 --> 03:53:47,119
federal laws, there's been a

5227
03:53:47,119 --> 03:53:50,220
reluctance of people to take

5228
03:53:50,220 --> 03:53:52,191
that on. So just heads up, but

5229
03:53:52,191 --> 03:53:55,791
certainly okay to ask for it

5230
03:53:56,495 --> 03:54:00,950
for the okay, so maybe my

5231
03:54:00,132 --> 03:54:02,235
friendly amendment is to try to

5232
03:54:02,235 --> 03:54:05,235
do this without it necessarily

5233
03:54:06,272 --> 03:54:09,410
being a condition of this

5234
03:54:09,410 --> 03:54:10,770
continuance. You know, it, it

5235
03:54:10,770 --> 03:54:12,312
fits right in. And I'll tell

5236
03:54:12,312 --> 03:54:13,780
you why I've done this enough

5237
03:54:13,780 --> 03:54:15,948
times to know that I should

5238
03:54:15,948 --> 03:54:17,750
keep my motions pretty simple.

5239
03:54:17,750 --> 03:54:19,885
And so I think the motion here

5240
03:54:19,885 --> 03:54:21,721
simply is to continue to this

5241
03:54:21,721 --> 03:54:23,523
next date, which we now hear is

5242
03:54:23,523 --> 03:54:25,923
DECEMBER 9th to explore

5243
03:54:26,392 --> 03:54:28,227
alternatives. And that can take

5244
03:54:28,227 --> 03:54:29,629
many manifestations.

5245
03:54:29,629 --> 03:54:32,290
Alternatives in what you've

5246
03:54:32,990 --> 03:54:33,432
asked for is, is part of that.

5247
03:54:33,432 --> 03:54:36,102
And and now that the applicant

5248
03:54:36,102 --> 03:54:37,536
has heard you express your own

5249
03:54:37,536 --> 03:54:39,672
interest in that, I'm sure that

5250
03:54:39,672 --> 03:54:43,272
they will pay attention to that

5251
03:54:44,411 --> 03:54:47,411
during this hiatus. Okay. I'm

5252
03:54:48,314 --> 03:54:51,314
happy with that. Thank you.

5253
03:54:52,318 --> 03:54:54,718
Okay. Commissioner Martinez? Oh,

5254
03:54:55,622 --> 03:54:57,189
sorry about that. Okay. I don't

5255
03:54:57,189 --> 03:54:59,191
know if this is the proper way

5256
03:54:59,191 --> 03:55:01,360
to do it, but along with that

5257
03:55:01,360 --> 03:55:03,463
continuance, I would also like

5258
03:55:03,463 --> 03:55:06,399
to see, as one of the residents

5259
03:55:06,399 --> 03:55:07,800
recommended a height test at

5260
03:55:07,800 --> 03:55:09,800
that location, putting

5261
03:55:09,935 --> 03:55:13,239
something up in the air at 68ft

5262
03:55:13,239 --> 03:55:14,273
high so that there's a better

5263
03:55:14,273 --> 03:55:16,409
representation. When we look

5264
03:55:16,409 --> 03:55:18,244
from the private, the private

5265
03:55:18,244 --> 03:55:20,379
properties as well as public

5266
03:55:20,379 --> 03:55:21,847
properties, is is there an

5267
03:55:21,847 --> 03:55:24,247
opportunity to do something

5268
03:55:26,519 --> 03:55:27,954
along those lines? Sure.

5269
03:55:27,954 --> 03:55:29,422
Commissioners like story polls.

5270
03:55:29,422 --> 03:55:32,291
Is that what you're asking?

5271
03:55:32,291 --> 03:55:33,526
Maybe your story poll, the

5272
03:55:33,526 --> 03:55:35,926
recommendations were a balloon,

5273
03:55:36,562 --> 03:55:38,431
a crane, a boom, something so

5274
03:55:38,431 --> 03:55:42,310
that so that we can actually

5275
03:55:42,703 --> 03:55:44,700
see how high 68ft is from

5276
03:55:44,700 --> 03:55:47,700
public property, as well as

5277
03:55:47,807 --> 03:55:49,208
from the private property. We

5278
03:55:49,208 --> 03:55:51,344
will work with the applicant to

5279
03:55:51,344 --> 03:55:54,344
try and figure something out.

5280
03:55:54,614 --> 03:55:57,483
Okay. Thank you. Okay. MAY I

5281
03:55:57,483 --> 03:55:59,883
speak, Commissioner Ford? Thank

5282
03:55:59,986 --> 03:56:01,788
you. Well, I would like to

5283
03:56:01,788 --> 03:56:03,456
second the motion, but first, I

5284
03:56:03,456 --> 03:56:05,291
just wanted to say a couple of

5285
03:56:05,291 --> 03:56:06,492
things. I want to thank MR.

5286
03:56:06,492 --> 03:56:08,270
Vargas because you really

5287
03:56:08,270 --> 03:56:10,396
helped me understand this issue

5288
03:56:10,396 --> 03:56:12,599
and you walked me through it.

5289
03:56:12,599 --> 03:56:14,400
But I am also just as grateful,

5290
03:56:14,400 --> 03:56:16,202
if not more, to the community

5291
03:56:16,202 --> 03:56:18,337
that showed up and wrote to us

5292
03:56:18,337 --> 03:56:19,472
and spoke. The comments were

5293
03:56:19,472 --> 03:56:20,706
considered, they were

5294
03:56:20,706 --> 03:56:22,676
thoughtful, they were measured,

5295
03:56:22,676 --> 03:56:25,878
and they might be boiling and

5296
03:56:25,878 --> 03:56:28,381
furious inside, but they were

5297
03:56:28,381 --> 03:56:31,285
so compelling that I do think

5298
03:56:31,285 --> 03:56:33,853
we need to respond and validate

5299
03:56:33,853 --> 03:56:36,722
those concerns. So my second

5300
03:56:36,722 --> 03:56:37,723
would be in in the interest of

5301
03:56:37,723 --> 03:56:39,191
compatibility, one of the

5302
03:56:39,191 --> 03:56:42,191
things that our commission can

5303
03:56:43,230 --> 03:56:45,331
address. So I'll second it. So

5304
03:56:45,331 --> 03:56:48,267
we have a first and second. Any

5305
03:56:48,267 --> 03:56:50,369
other discussion before we vote?

5306
03:56:50,369 --> 03:56:52,271
Commissioner Martinez, I would

5307
03:56:52,271 --> 03:56:55,308
I would just say this for for

5308
03:56:55,308 --> 03:56:57,109
this sake of of future avoiding

5309
03:56:57,109 --> 03:56:58,644
future dispute, if there is

5310
03:56:58,644 --> 03:57:02,515
going to be such a thing such

5311
03:57:02,515 --> 03:57:03,883
as a balloon out there to, to

5312
03:57:03,883 --> 03:57:05,619
provide for the observation of

5313
03:57:05,619 --> 03:57:06,753
the height and what it would

5314
03:57:06,753 --> 03:57:08,622
look like, I would, I would

5315
03:57:08,622 --> 03:57:09,622
hope that we we on the

5316
03:57:09,622 --> 03:57:10,891
Commission, would be informed

5317
03:57:10,891 --> 03:57:12,625
of the date and time that that

5318
03:57:12,625 --> 03:57:14,460
would happen. Because if that

5319
03:57:14,460 --> 03:57:15,628
happens and it's just based on

5320
03:57:15,628 --> 03:57:17,631
photos, we all know what photos

5321
03:57:17,631 --> 03:57:18,798
can do. I can zoom in, zoom out,

5322
03:57:18,798 --> 03:57:20,934
make it whatever I want, and

5323
03:57:20,934 --> 03:57:23,690
make it bigger or smaller. If

5324
03:57:23,690 --> 03:57:25,237
that happens, I would say, and

5325
03:57:25,237 --> 03:57:27,807
I'm looking forward to seeing

5326
03:57:27,807 --> 03:57:30,643
just the the technical coverage

5327
03:57:30,643 --> 03:57:31,778
from 40ft to 50ft. I think

5328
03:57:31,778 --> 03:57:34,213
somebody even said that and say,

5329
03:57:34,213 --> 03:57:35,715
show me if if you show them,

5330
03:57:35,715 --> 03:57:37,784
that would be really helpful to

5331
03:57:37,784 --> 03:57:39,252
me. And I'm supportive of the

5332
03:57:39,252 --> 03:57:41,420
continuance to allow these

5333
03:57:41,420 --> 03:57:44,420
answer to get these questions

5334
03:57:46,492 --> 03:57:47,593
answered. Thank you.

5335
03:57:47,593 --> 03:57:50,130
Commissioner Ford, did you have

5336
03:57:50,130 --> 03:57:51,731
any. Oh, no sir. Okay. So we've

5337
03:57:51,731 --> 03:57:53,966
got a first and a second. So

5338
03:57:53,966 --> 03:57:56,350
we're ready to vote. Do we do a

5339
03:57:56,350 --> 03:57:58,305
roll call or do you can we just

5340
03:57:58,305 --> 03:58:01,173
do individual votes for this?

5341
03:58:01,173 --> 03:58:03,342
Okay. So we're going to do

5342
03:58:03,342 --> 03:58:06,342
individual votes. All in favor

5343
03:58:07,747 --> 03:58:11,347
I aye. Any opposed. None. Okay.

5344
03:58:11,717 --> 03:58:14,117
The continuance will proceed.

5345
03:58:14,520 --> 03:58:18,120
Thank you chair. Thank you all

5346
03:58:35,740 --> 03:58:38,740
I. Okay let's go to.