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[28:23] >> So really looking at those
[28:23] and understanding how that
[28:23] potentially restricts increase
[28:24] compatibility issue or
[28:24] generates or addresses
[28:25] compatibility concerns in
[28:29] neighborhoods. Excuse me is an
[28:30] important piece. Sb 10 can
[28:30] also be adopted without going
[28:31] through the environmental
[28:34] Review process or sequel.
[28:36] Typically when we adopt or
[28:38] rezoning exercises, we go
[28:38] through technical various
[28:40] technical analysis to
[28:41] determine impacts to
[28:41] infrastructure. And the
[28:42] general plan is a really good
[28:44] example of that. It looks at
[28:45] when you basically increase
[28:48] densities in certain areas.
[28:49] What impact does that have to
[28:50] the overall operation of the
[28:52] city? So that's an area where
[28:54] if the council elects to move
[28:55] forward, we can determine what
[28:57] technical analysis is needed
[29:00] or not. Sb 10 provides that
[29:01] opportunity. Community
[29:01] engagement. Also a critical
[29:05] piece to this generally with
[29:07] more overreaching global city
[29:07] initiatives. We do not do
[29:08] targeted engagement because
[29:11] it's very difficult missing.
[29:12] Middle was a different
[29:13] example. That was a very
[29:15] targeted focus that had very
[29:15] targeted engagement and that
[29:16] focused and on those
[29:18] communities and understanding
[29:20] their concerns. But most of
[29:23] our global planning
[29:24] initiatives are more global
[29:24] communication and feedback not
[29:26] involved that the targeted
[29:28] approach. And of course,
[29:30] public hearings how to this
[29:31] adopting go Fay inner section
[29:32] of the Planning Commission and
[29:32] the council ultimately voted
[29:34] option. There's some
[29:36] flexibility there. Typically
[29:38] if we do go with an option
[29:40] that involves more of a
[29:42] defined approach and creating
[29:43] restrictions and looking at
[29:44] objective design standards.
[29:45] That is typically us fairly
[29:46] significant lift that is often
[29:48] back stopped with consultants
[29:48] missing. Middle is a prime
[29:50] example. That was a very
[29:52] heavy. We used consult an
[29:54] exercise and that helps us
[29:55] move forward. Quicker helps us
[29:57] to the technical studies
[29:59] needed. So depending on the
[30:00] level of technical analysis
[30:01] typically will fall back on on
[30:03] trying to bring in consulting
[30:05] services. Sb 10 is a bit
[30:05] unique. There are a number of
[30:06] jurisdictions in Sonoma County
[30:09] talking about it and with our
[30:10] peers. In other jurisdictions,
[30:11] we've been talking about how
[30:15] we potentially share resources
[30:17] to do global reviews of
[30:17] initiatives that are move
[30:19] forward is not required. So
[30:20] that MAY help offset the cost.
[30:23] But we do in this particular
[30:23] case envision consultants
[30:24] between critical role in the
[30:29] adoption. Next slide. Please.
[30:30] So looking at the technical
[30:31] reviews, as I mentioned, these
[30:33] are not required. But as we go
[30:35] through looking at rezoning
[30:36] exercises, these are typically
[30:38] what we look at as part of
[30:39] that transportation traffic
[30:41] flow parking are fairly
[30:43] critical. We also look at
[30:46] wastewater and storm water
[30:47] really, obviously we have
[30:48] issues with drainage in
[30:50] certain areas where we do an
[30:50] analysis associated
[30:53] potentially regional impacts
[30:55] and also how is sewer and
[30:57] water provided to these
[30:58] parcels? And what point do we
[30:58] go over some of our calculated
[31:01] capacity in these areas? We
[31:02] don't anticipate that that
[31:03] would potentially occur. But
[31:04] if we don't have stops that
[31:05] can occur, our general plan
[31:08] actually looks at this. So any
[31:09] sort of exercise, especially
[31:11] if this is a broad deployment,
[31:13] can potentially increase the
[31:13] densities above and beyond
[31:15] what the general plan
[31:17] anticipated. Of course,
[31:19] there's fire protection and
[31:20] police services are critical
[31:21] because the densities
[31:21] increasing in areas where
[31:24] they're traditionally single
[31:25] families, so understanding
[31:26] what direction the council
[31:28] wants to move forward with
[31:29] with technical studies, if the
[31:31] desire is to move forward with
[31:32] sb 10 is a critical piece in a
[31:33] slide provides an example of
[31:33] some of those studies that
[31:34] we've historically began next
[31:39] slide. Please. So really with
[31:43] advanced planning a lot of the
[31:46] work that we're doing right
[31:46] now because any addition does
[31:47] become a prioritization
[31:47] conversation. The team is
[31:48] generally 5 Ft ease full-time
[31:49] employees focusing on a plan
[31:51] to advance planning
[31:52] initiatives. Most of that work
[31:55] is in state mandated projects.
[31:58] So MISS Nicholson mentioned,
[32:00] it's fairly rare that we get
[32:02] state legislation that instead
[32:05] of a shough. A lot of what the
[32:06] state kicks is a required
[32:06] adoption for the cities and
[32:07] the team works heavily
[32:10] throughout the year on that.
[32:10] Others also reporting
[32:11] requirements for general plan
[32:12] that we have to go through at
[32:13] this time of year. So we start
[32:15] prepping for that work. We
[32:18] have a number of projects that
[32:19] are funding related projects
[32:21] and that could be our transit
[32:22] or even communities. These are
[32:22] projects where we're doing
[32:23] planning work to bring more
[32:25] funding into the city. So
[32:27] those are very critical from
[32:29] that standpoint, we have to
[32:30] council goal projects right
[32:31] now that our entertainment
[32:32] zones in our South Center is a
[32:34] specific plan. And then we
[32:35] have a bucket of other
[32:37] projects that I think it's
[32:38] important to highlight. We
[32:39] recently moved forward with
[32:41] overhaul of our use permit
[32:43] process. There's a lot of
[32:44] efficiency measures we try to
[32:45] put in our planning documents
[32:47] that better serve development
[32:49] projects and we have a number
[32:50] of those that are really on
[32:51] the shelf that we move out and
[32:53] meter out when we can. So
[32:55] typically what we see right
[32:57] now is a break where we can
[32:58] reevaluate priorities without
[32:59] affecting what we have in the
[33:00] queue right now. Likely in
[33:04] summer of 2027. If we rely
[33:06] fully on staff to move this
[33:08] forward, it becomes a very
[33:09] heavy lift. It affects more of
[33:11] the prioritization when
[33:12] consultants are provided to
[33:13] really back stop it. It helps
[33:15] move this forward. But that's
[33:16] where really right now without
[33:18] affecting the main to council
[33:19] goal projects would which
[33:20] would be the ones in jeopardy
[33:22] if this was moved in front
[33:23] priority wise. We are looking
[33:24] at that break of summer of
[33:27] 2027 next slide. Please. It's
[33:29] really the next 2 slides are
[33:29] focusing on that. The input
[33:31] that staff is attempting to
[33:34] receive today. So really the
[33:36] options before the Council
[33:37] with sb 10 is that we can
[33:40] avoid adopting sb 10. We can
[33:43] adopt sb 10 as worded or we
[33:45] could adopt sb 10 with a more
[33:47] targeted approach that places
[33:50] parameters around a variety of
[33:51] different focus points that
[33:52] we've discussed in the slide
[33:53] in the next slide will will
[33:53] dive into that more
[33:54] particularly next slide.
[33:58] Please. So really, if it is
[33:58] the council's desire to move
[34:01] forward with a targeted
[34:01] approach and we're happy to
[34:03] bring the slide up to move the
[34:04] conversation forward. These
[34:05] are really the areas where it
[34:08] helps to get feedback.
[34:08] Obviously, we have a maximum
[34:11] units under sb 10 of 10, but
[34:13] that unit count can be reduced
[34:16] down to do less than that
[34:18] parcel size, specifically
[34:20] minimum lot size. If there is
[34:22] a desire to focus on larger
[34:23] parcels where they have more
[34:25] separation produces the
[34:26] density, that is something the
[34:30] council can provide input on.
[34:32] There are also environmental
[34:33] hazard considerations. So, for
[34:33] example, in this particular
[34:35] case, the high fire severity
[34:37] zone is ruled out. But there
[34:38] are other hazards on such as
[34:39] flooding and fire where the
[34:40] council can make a decision to
[34:43] exclude those zones. There's
[34:44] also infrastructure
[34:45] conversation. So areas where
[34:46] the infrastructure does exist,
[34:47] where it's closer to
[34:49] transportation. That is an
[34:50] avenue where we would want to
[34:51] know if there is a desire to
[34:53] restrict based on that. And
[34:54] that goes into really party
[34:55] locations to I think if we're
[34:56] talking about closer to
[34:59] transit, where it's a more
[35:00] walkable community that would
[35:02] really help us, you know, move
[35:05] this forward neighborhood
[35:05] context is always one of the
[35:06] challenges, especially from a
[35:08] missing middle standpoint. I
[35:10] do think with missing middle
[35:10] there, there are a lot of
[35:12] neighborhoods that function
[35:15] incredibly well with mixed use
[35:15] waste with smaller types of
[35:17] duplexes triplex is
[35:18] incorporating this unit type
[35:20] from a compatibility
[35:21] standpoint, design standards
[35:23] become critical to making that
[35:26] work. But understanding what
[35:27] that neighborhood context but
[35:27] should look like ultimately
[35:28] getting into the design
[35:31] standards would be helpful. So
[35:32] really, we're looking for
[35:34] moving forward or not. And for
[35:35] moving forward. Are we moving
[35:37] forward with sb 10 as worded
[35:39] or if there's a desire to be
[35:40] more targeted? We would love
[35:41] to receive feedback on those
[35:41] areas. We should focus on for
[35:44] those targets. And with that
[35:47] next slide, please. We will do
[35:47] open it up to any questions.
[35:50] The council MAY Excellent.
[35:50] Thank you. All right. Look at
[35:59] the council. Questions. Let's
[36:00] on why either questions.
[36:01] Questions preferred when if
[36:03] you wish.
[36:03] >> So MISTER Donovan, her hand
[36:08] up first.
[36:09] >> Thank you, Mayor. Thanks
[36:11] for the presentation. I
[36:11] appreciate and meeting with
[36:13] you ahead of time to
[36:14] understand this little bit
[36:16] more in deaths because have a
[36:17] lot of s p's that allow us to
[36:18] build housing. And we've done
[36:21] a lot of work based on what
[36:23] state is requiring of but also
[36:24] what we've done and I think in
[36:25] our general plan and and all
[36:27] the other components that
[36:28] addressed, one of the
[36:28] questions I have and I think
[36:32] you just a little bit gay was
[36:33] around the amount of work that
[36:37] our staff currently has and
[36:38] what something like this would
[36:40] do for what we're currently
[36:42] working on and and slowing up
[36:43] projects. Can you give me a
[36:44] little bit more insight on how
[36:48] that could impact us?
[36:50] >> Yes, absolutely. Obviously
[36:51] the state mandated projects
[36:52] are critical because they're
[36:53] usually mandated under a
[36:55] specific timeline. So those
[36:56] are very, very difficult for
[36:57] us to maneuver. And there's a
[37:02] significant amount currently
[37:05] in the queue. We talk about
[37:06] the council directed projects
[37:06] the South Center is a specific
[37:06] plan and the entertainment
[37:07] zones by moving those to the
[37:10] side to allow resources to
[37:11] work on sb 10 is a priority.
[37:12] It would affect the timelines
[37:15] associated with oats. The
[37:18] other option is that once we
[37:20] get through this, obviously as
[37:21] we get through goal setting
[37:24] and discussions associated
[37:25] with budget, understanding how
[37:26] we're going to get close to
[37:27] completing those projects
[37:28] towards the end of the fiscal
[37:29] year. We do receive a break
[37:33] around the summer and some of
[37:35] the projects that we typically
[37:35] tried to figured feel that
[37:36] capacity with our there's been
[37:38] discussions about beekeeping
[37:39] ordinances we have seen year
[37:41] over land a holding pattern.
[37:41] So those are some of the
[37:43] projects that are on the
[37:45] shelf. We also have a project
[37:45] which is a comprehensive
[37:48] overhaul of our zoning code,
[37:49] which is very important from
[37:49] an efficiency standpoint and
[37:51] brings our zoning code up to
[37:53] date. So the easy answer is we
[37:56] do have a bit of a break. We
[37:58] would have to explore and
[37:59] understand what level of
[38:00] capacity exists if we take
[38:01] advantage of this in the break
[38:02] in that break would be in
[38:05] summer of 2027. So if there is
[38:06] a desire and that is the
[38:06] timeline to move forward, we
[38:09] can put this into the work
[38:10] plan. We if we receive
[38:12] feedback that there's
[38:13] significant technical studies
[38:16] and desire to really restrict
[38:17] sb 10, then there would likely
[38:20] be an effort to understand the
[38:20] consulting costs, which
[38:21] ultimately allow us to do
[38:22] technical studies that we
[38:22] can't do in-house, but also
[38:25] speed up the timeline. But I
[38:26] think to simply answer your
[38:27] question because it's a
[38:29] council directive, we would
[38:30] normally not want to basically
[38:31] put the South San versus Plan,
[38:32] our entertainment zones on a
[38:34] different track or slow them.
[38:35] But we do naturally end up
[38:36] with a break around summer as
[38:37] we get through the natural
[38:41] cycle of state legislation.
[38:42] >> You tell me some of the
[38:45] other unintended consequences
[38:46] we've had where we're skipping
[38:51] through s-class or reports in
[38:52] communities. I think
[38:53] specifically around is that sb
[38:56] 35 and maybe even sb 9 where
[38:58] they're able to go in and make
[39:00] these adjustments, housing at
[39:01] affordable housing. But
[39:01] without doing the
[39:04] environmental impacts or how
[39:06] it's impacting traffic in
[39:07] neighborhoods or areas, could
[39:07] you give me a little bit
[39:11] background? How sb 10, what
[39:12] impact us for for those types
[39:15] of things?
[39:16] >> Yes, absolutely I'll start
[39:19] and handed over to the team.
[39:20] Typically there's a few
[39:22] different things we focus on
[39:24] with state legislation where
[39:25] it passes on a in estero
[39:26] process that would have
[39:29] normally gone through an
[39:30] environmental review. What's
[39:31] very important is our general
[39:33] plan really focuses on what
[39:34] the overall growth of the city
[39:37] looks like that is bringing in
[39:39] the appropriate infrastructure
[39:39] analysis and understanding how
[39:41] the city functions in a growth
[39:43] mode when you can exceed to be
[39:45] on the general plan it
[39:47] presents challenges. One of
[39:48] the pieces that we really
[39:49] strongly focus on and is part
[39:52] of one of our efficiency
[39:52] processes that are moving
[39:54] forward is objective design
[39:56] standards. So what the state
[39:57] allows the city to do is
[39:58] implement objective design
[39:59] standards in most situations
[40:01] where by right housing is
[40:03] allowed. And those objective
[40:04] design standards have to be
[40:04] published. They have to be his
[40:07] Mormon. Review. So they
[40:08] typically help with more
[40:09] localized issues such as
[40:11] design, but they can focus on
[40:13] other pieces where it becomes
[40:14] problematic is it doesn't
[40:15] necessarily allow us to do a
[40:18] more regional study approach
[40:19] and then hold the development
[40:20] and make them responsible for
[40:22] that. So that's typically what
[40:24] the technical studies do. They
[40:25] anticipate growth and then
[40:26] they understand how the
[40:28] infrastructure stays ahead of
[40:30] that growth. And it can also
[40:31] align certain infrastructure
[40:32] pieces that the developers
[40:33] required to do and what the
[40:34] city is required to do for
[40:36] more of the regional approach.
[40:37] So it really takes more
[40:39] holistic study out of it. But
[40:40] there are other ways if when
[40:42] you're dealing with smaller
[40:43] units, they typically don't
[40:45] have the same impact as larger
[40:46] Objective design chance
[40:47] standards can sometimes feel
[40:47] the need to understand how
[40:50] those are processed. So we get
[40:52] a lot of questions about are
[40:52] we going to have enough water
[40:55] if we continue to grow?
[40:57] >> And if I'm looking at this
[41:02] statistic 72% of the houses
[41:02] are lots Santa Rosa would be
[41:05] able if we did a blanket, we
[41:08] could potentially be impacted.
[41:11] Have we look to water to see
[41:12] the capacity of where we would
[41:13] be at or is there any feedback
[41:17] that we get from water? I look
[41:19] at it also has like public
[41:21] safety and, you know, being
[41:22] able to respond to that type
[41:26] of growth. This is it feels so
[41:27] astronomical. This a 72% of
[41:28] your but lots could actually
[41:31] qualify for this for that.
[41:34] Cross the city of Santa Rosa.
[41:36] So those seem like pretty big
[41:38] things we should know about
[41:38] why we're having the
[41:44] discussion.
[41:47] >> Thanks for the question.
[41:49] Councilmember. We have had
[41:49] some high level conversations
[41:50] with our colleagues in other
[41:54] departments. And there can be
[41:55] some technical analysis
[41:57] provided by staff as it
[41:58] relates to water supply and
[41:59] the provision of various
[42:04] services. That will depend on
[42:06] the council chooses to refine
[42:06] the properties that are
[42:07] included or wants to do them
[42:10] are brought up prod approach
[42:11] that information I would
[42:15] certainly be provided. As we
[42:16] move forward with any
[42:17] implementation effort
[42:25] directed. I know, there's a
[42:29] lot that goes into and I can
[42:29] say my comments about what I
[42:31] want to do after that. I think
[42:33] that's primarily just for one
[42:37] might point of clarification.
[42:38] Our current lot size and and
[42:42] what we have in place. S p 10
[42:45] would allow for 10 units to be
[42:47] there. You're saying on slide
[42:47] earlier that ours would
[42:51] actually only allow for 4 what
[42:52] supersedes each other. So if
[42:54] we have our current policies
[42:56] in place and we work to do
[42:58] this blanket, we still be
[42:59] subject to our other process
[43:03] or with this? Then go over and
[43:04] say know your old process is
[43:06] out today and now you get 10
[43:07] units on that lot. I'm I'm
[43:10] sorry. I'm not clear on on
[43:11] that. Or am I even being clear
[43:12] with my question? You can say
[43:20] now?
[43:21] >> Are you referencing the
[43:23] slide that shows what state
[43:23] law allows with accessory
[43:28] dwelling units and
[43:33] >> so you like Navy Use and 9.
[43:34] It was around development
[43:35] standards and abilities. So
[43:39] when I look at slide, 12 star
[43:41] halves, its the front setback.
[43:44] We're back and all of those
[43:46] current rules. But if I go to
[43:48] previous slides, it shows how
[43:49] the neighborhood to a change
[43:50] based on what's allowed in sb
[43:53] 10. My question is to our
[43:54] current standards and
[43:56] feasibility with our current
[43:57] setbacks with that shrank
[44:01] down. What sb 10 is allowing
[44:03] people to do to meet the
[44:05] standards or if we adopt sb
[44:07] 10, would it then change what
[44:08] we currently have in place to
[44:14] be able to have 10? Thank you
[44:15] for clarifying. So this
[44:19] graphic here shows.
[44:20] >> How a site is constrained.
[44:21] So if you're only developing
[44:22] in that kind of green hatched
[44:24] area, you MAY not be able to
[44:26] get up to those 10 units based
[44:27] on the standards that
[44:29] currently apply across much of
[44:29] Santa Rosa's residential
[44:33] parcels. So if the council,
[44:34] would like to move forward
[44:39] with sb 10. We would want
[44:40] simultaneously established
[44:43] development standards that.
[44:44] Make it more feasible to get
[44:47] more units than just MAY be
[44:47] the 4 that are shown here on
[44:50] this slide. Any rezoning would
[44:56] not mandate that 10 units were
[44:57] developed. It would just be a
[44:58] new maximum on a property that
[45:01] otherwise MAY only be allowed
[45:05] to have one primary unit or 2
[45:06] primary units under the city's
[45:07] general plan and state law.
[45:08] Does that clarify the
[45:11] question? Gabe, do you see my
[45:15] face? And to be able to help
[45:18] with I yeah.
[45:20] >> So there's really sort of 3
[45:22] scenarios here. So what sb 10
[45:26] does if it is adopted with no
[45:26] restrictions? Is it just
[45:28] simply allows 10 units to be
[45:30] installed on a lot under
[45:32] certain circumstances. And
[45:34] then what St sb 10 does is it
[45:35] gives the local jurisdiction
[45:37] the ability to apply objective
[45:38] design standards. So and it's
[45:39] really the same in a
[45:40] residential zoning district.
[45:42] You can build a single-family,
[45:43] but there are certain
[45:45] requirements, setbacks in code
[45:45] that restrict the height and
[45:47] where that single-family is
[45:49] placed. So what we're seeing
[45:51] is if the council elected to
[45:54] adopt sb 10 with no parameters
[45:55] that developments going
[45:56] through an sb 10 proposal
[45:57] would still run into a problem
[45:58] with our site requirements
[46:00] that are designed for a single
[46:01] family. So they would
[46:03] naturally reduce the amount of
[46:04] development where developer
[46:06] likely could not achieve 10
[46:08] units. So at a bare minimum to
[46:10] achieve 10 units, we would
[46:11] likely as part of a global
[46:12] adoptions still need to amend
[46:13] our objective design standards
[46:17] to give more flexibility. So
[46:19] basically it's it's difficult
[46:20] to understand. Ultimately the
[46:22] design is based on the code
[46:23] and specific minister
[46:24] requirements and then the
[46:25] right. Is it a higher level
[46:28] and the zoning now where it's
[46:29] further complicated is that
[46:31] the state has a number of
[46:31] other provisions that will
[46:32] apply. So these allowances
[46:36] start stacking on each other.
[46:39] So the example, Ms Nicholson
[46:40] provided of the subdivision
[46:42] with the home and to use you
[46:44] could do that is the property
[46:45] owner. Few meet that criteria
[46:45] because that's an allowable
[46:48] right by the state. So
[46:49] essentially what happens is
[46:51] all the start stacking is
[46:53] availability and Rick walk and
[46:54] allowances so somebody can
[46:56] build a single-family home.
[46:58] They can do. Another state
[46:59] allowed subdivision with a use
[47:00] or they could do sb 10. They
[47:02] all become options. But the
[47:03] challenge with sb 10 is
[47:04] because we don't have
[47:05] objective design standards
[47:07] that address 10 units on a lot
[47:09] that we think that going
[47:11] through that process without
[47:12] affecting those objective
[47:13] design standards, would
[47:13] prohibit the development that
[47:16] we constrain it.
[47:17] >> And then the last question
[47:19] I have is on your targeted
[47:20] implementation has stopped
[47:21] taking a look at this and the
[47:24] maps that were created to give
[47:25] us some feedback on. You do
[47:27] see maybe a few targeted areas
[47:28] that has beaten could be
[47:31] helpful for growth and housing
[47:32] or have you even begin to look
[47:37] at some of that?
[47:38] >> I let MISS Nicholson chime
[47:42] in on the analysis that we did
[47:46] yes, as I mentioned early from
[47:49] when the economic development
[47:49] slide that there there is a
[47:49] benefit to sb 10 if the
[47:50] desirous to allow 10 units
[47:51] because it creates a
[47:52] streamlined path and it
[47:53] creates it in an area where it
[47:54] is very difficult to do in
[47:56] Phil. And if you really look
[47:57] at most jurisdictions in
[47:59] Sonoma County, most of the
[48:00] growth occurred through
[48:00] single-family residential
[48:02] development. So there's a
[48:03] significant amount. And that
[48:05] is why it applies to so many
[48:07] parcels, but very similar to
[48:08] the missing middle. That was a
[48:10] very strategic approach that
[48:12] looked at the appropriate
[48:12] place. From a compatibility
[48:17] standpoint. You standpoint so
[48:18] that analysis makes sense to
[48:19] really expand the missing
[48:20] middle conversation to
[48:23] essentially become sb 10. But
[48:25] that opportunity to look at
[48:26] than a very global that close
[48:28] to transit, close to
[48:30] resources. That was a very
[48:32] surgical and specific approach
[48:33] that went through the
[48:34] consultant exercise to
[48:34] understand compatibility and
[48:36] how it fits in with other
[48:38] areas. So we have targeted
[48:40] areas where it doesn't make
[48:41] sense to increase density. And
[48:41] that's usually around where
[48:44] that infrastructure exists.
[48:45] But when you look at really
[48:46] the missing middle level of
[48:47] exercise, really, that's the
[48:47] next phase of this process
[48:48] where we would go through
[48:52] based on some parameters and
[48:53] determined it makes sense in
[48:53] these areas are how do we want
[48:54] to move forward with a more
[48:57] formal policy?
[48:58] >> I know you also mentioned
[48:59] something and it was briefly
[49:01] brought up in your response
[49:04] now the increased parcel tax
[49:05] and what the city gets, which
[49:06] to my understanding is very,
[49:07] very tiny because that
[49:11] primarily goes to the county
[49:11] and economic impact on
[49:14] bringing more people. And but
[49:16] I think that's something I've
[49:17] asked and requested a few
[49:19] times before because it's hard
[49:19] for me to wrap my head around
[49:20] is what is that offset? You
[49:24] know, when we bring more
[49:25] people in more housing and how
[49:26] what is the economic impact
[49:27] that we're getting in? Can we
[49:28] get some dollars and cents
[49:31] kind of tied to that? And I
[49:32] think that's just a further
[49:32] discussion. Not today under
[49:35] this specific bill, but it's
[49:36] something that goes through my
[49:38] mind all the time is how much
[49:39] paying in infrastructure.
[49:40] Public service, our parks and
[49:41] roads and streets. And then
[49:44] what do we get out of it by
[49:44] doing things like this and do
[49:47] we have the capacity to I
[49:47] think that's it for my
[49:49] questions. Thanks. Thank you,
[49:54] Willis. Thank you,
[49:55] >> Thank you for the
[49:56] presentation. Thank you for
[49:59] going through all of this with
[50:02] this couple of I just have a
[50:05] few questions. The first one
[50:11] is about Do we? Whether do it
[50:12] ask you did come back with a
[50:15] targeted implementation or to
[50:16] do that. Sb 10. Is there a
[50:19] deadline? Because I don't know
[50:20] if I so I didn't see it in
[50:21] staff reporter. Maybe I missed
[50:26] it. Thanks for the question.
[50:28] And I realize I didn't speak
[50:30] to that as part of the
[50:32] presentation. There is a
[50:35] sunset date of JANUARY. First
[50:37] 2029. So what that means is
[50:39] the city would have to adopt
[50:40] any rezoning and the rezoning
[50:43] would need to be in effect
[50:43] prior to JANUARY. So that
[50:47] would need to occur fall of at
[50:48] the latest to take advantage
[50:56] of this bill. Ok, thank you.
[51:01] That helps a And in regard to.
[51:05] Being able to bypass secret is
[51:06] the and this is just for my
[51:07] clarification is the technical
[51:10] analysis. Do we have a choice
[51:10] about doing that or not? And
[51:12] is that in place of
[51:19] environmental review. As Amy
[51:20] mentioned, seek one else is
[51:23] not required for adoption of
[51:24] an ordinance. Any project that
[51:26] would come in under that
[51:27] ordinance would be subject to
[51:29] environmental review. But
[51:31] ordinance itself, we wouldn't
[51:33] in this technical studies
[51:33] typically come through that
[51:37] sheikh Alice U.S.. So the city
[51:39] is not required to do that.
[51:40] Technical analysis. It's
[51:44] something that staff Wood
[51:45] asked the council to consider
[51:47] as if we want to move forward
[51:49] with this having that be a
[51:50] part of the review so that
[51:52] when we bring this back foot.
[51:55] >> Forward for your
[51:57] consideration. You would have
[51:57] all of the information that
[51:58] you would need to make an
[52:00] informed decision so that we
[52:00] would understand what the
[52:04] impacts are too. You know, our
[52:05] roads, our water supply, those
[52:06] things that we would normally
[52:09] look at. This is part of this,
[52:11] you water supply assessment
[52:12] because was not required.
[52:13] Water supply assessment would
[52:16] not be required. But that is
[52:17] something that typically would
[52:19] look at a particular we're
[52:20] talking about adding a density
[52:21] beyond what the general plan
[52:26] currently allows. Just had one
[52:27] more question around. I think
[52:30] it was slide.
[52:30] >> 6.
[52:35] >> On The things that I guess
[52:37] we would do in terms planning
[52:37] and considerations.
[52:40] >> Is is this things that are
[52:44] listed the neighborhood.
[52:45] >> Infrastructure,
[52:45] environmental We just talked
[52:47] about transit.
[52:49] >> Access and walkability. All
[52:51] those things. We would still
[52:52] go through that process for
[52:54] every project or
[53:03] >> is that choice?
[53:09] >> These are not required
[53:21] under the bill, but they are.
[53:21] >> Are considerations that are
[53:21] typical of any sort of large
[53:22] policy effort like this. And
[53:22] when we think about the
[53:22] general plan how it assigns
[53:22] densities and in 10 cities
[53:23] across the city, reviewing
[53:24] those changes through the lens
[53:28] that are on the slide. So the
[53:29] environmental impacts that
[53:30] would typically be done with
[53:31] see quiet could still be done
[53:32] as part of this process,
[53:35] although not state mandated.
[53:37] But we would also want to look
[53:40] at all of the other plans that
[53:42] are in place in the city like
[53:43] our general plan and how this
[53:45] aligns with the growth plan
[53:48] there. We want to consider how
[53:49] any housing policy is
[53:50] affirmatively furthering fair
[53:52] housing. So looking at it
[53:55] being applied in MAY be
[53:56] geographically diverse parts
[53:58] of the city. So these would
[54:02] all be suggestions for the
[54:04] council to provide feedback on
[54:05] and sort of best practices.
[54:06] When we look at policy efforts
[54:10] like this. Ok, thank you.
[54:11] That's all I have for now.
[54:15] Thank you, MR. Alvarez.
[54:16] >> Only my question's been
[54:22] answered.
[54:23] >> that a combination of
[54:29] questions in feedback. The one
[54:30] question I have that hasn't
[54:31] addressed is how difficult it
[54:34] would be to have.
[54:38] >> This applied to areas that
[54:38] avoid the flood, put the maps
[54:41] which will come out from other
[54:44] jurisdictions in the future.
[54:45] And can we adapt this? So if
[54:46] we're going to do this over
[54:47] the summer where we have the
[54:48] flood maps at that point so
[54:51] that we got further dent of
[54:51] fighting areas which MAY
[54:57] flood.
[54:58] >> Yes, happy to help with
[55:00] that question. Typically the
[55:01] floodplain requirements as
[55:04] they relate to new buildings
[55:05] are construction apply to
[55:06] anything that pose a building
[55:07] permit after the adoption of
[55:09] that. And we have a number of
[55:10] regulations that affect
[55:13] development that occurs in a
[55:15] flood plain. And typically
[55:17] what that requires is that the
[55:19] finished floor or the final
[55:21] floor that people live on is
[55:22] raised above the flood
[55:24] elevation or the anticipated
[55:25] fight elevation. And there's
[55:27] also measures put in place
[55:29] with the structure to ensure
[55:30] that water is not displaced to
[55:31] make the flooding were
[55:33] somewhere else. So those
[55:34] requirements exist in any sb
[55:35] 10 units would have to go
[55:35] through same requirements at
[55:38] building permit.
[55:40] >> right. I guess what I'm
[55:40] getting at is that I think we
[55:41] have flood maps that are
[55:46] coming and so I'd the only,
[55:46] frankly, the only trepidation
[55:49] I have around this is
[55:50] permitting something now that
[55:51] we find out is in a flood zone
[55:55] in the near future. And that,
[55:55] you know, I'm in support of us
[55:56] doing this. I'm in support of
[55:59] its doing this and then the
[56:00] timeline which accounts for
[56:00] the new flood maps or which
[56:03] incorporates them but doesn't
[56:03] further dense of I areas that
[56:07] are prone to disaster, that
[56:09] that's my only concern. And I
[56:10] think that, you know, given
[56:11] everything that's on your
[56:12] plate, it's fantastic that
[56:13] this came is gonna go directly
[56:14] into my comments here and say
[56:18] that. Couple days ago I was
[56:20] reading in The New York Times
[56:20] the top 8 things that
[56:23] Democrats can do with their
[56:24] house leadership in the number
[56:26] one thing was to pave the way
[56:27] for more housing across the
[56:29] United States Senate. In this
[56:31] analysis, it said that. If
[56:35] just New York and the San
[56:35] Francisco Bay Area were to
[56:37] produce enough housing to meet
[56:40] the demand the entire economic
[56:41] output of the United States
[56:43] would rise by 4%. And so I
[56:45] think for a council that so
[56:47] concerned about economic
[56:48] development, this is something
[56:49] that we can do it in time.
[56:50] We're not building a lot of
[56:51] housing because of the costs
[56:52] of materials and money and all
[56:55] the other factors to pave the
[56:57] way for future development
[56:59] when conditions economic
[57:02] conditions change. And so, you
[57:03] know to that and you know, my
[57:05] concerns around seek we're not
[57:05] really high around in full
[57:07] development as long as we're
[57:09] not and filling in
[57:12] disaster-prone areas. Most
[57:12] sequel lawsuits that I've seen
[57:13] an infill areas of nothing to
[57:15] do with environmental
[57:17] concerns. And so I think that
[57:18] this is a great opportunity
[57:18] for us to move forward pave
[57:22] the way for transit oriented
[57:24] growth when the time is right.
[57:26] i'm fully supportive of you.
[57:28] Waiting till summer, using
[57:29] consultant time either is fine
[57:32] with me. Whatever you need. To
[57:34] do to get this done. I think
[57:36] that we'll be better for it.
[57:37] And I think that, you know,
[57:38] while it MAY seem done, a lot
[57:40] of things that the stacking of
[57:44] things is going eventually pay
[57:45] dividends for our community.
[57:46] And the last is just that we
[57:48] do have 5 year water plans. We
[57:50] do have all kinds building
[57:51] code reviews they get done and
[57:55] that while this could pave the
[57:57] way for many, many units. The
[57:57] reality is that will pave the
[58:00] way for a few units and that
[58:01] rate of change will will
[58:03] increase maybe a tiny bit. We
[58:06] had I thought you said 18
[58:09] Holmes pulled permits or
[58:11] requests for sb 9. I mean,
[58:13] it's not like these things
[58:14] happen in gigantic scale. Like
[58:14] we have to chip away and chip
[58:17] away into way. But that I
[58:19] think that our regular
[58:22] processees can absorb the rate
[58:23] of change that I expect from
[58:24] sb 10 implementation and that
[58:30] we probably can't do it soon.
[58:33] Enough. Into care. Thank you.
[58:34] Just one question for me. So
[58:35] this was signed into law in
[58:40] SEPTEMBER of 2021, correct?
[58:41] >> So since then, can you
[58:43] speak to the consideration and
[58:44] adoption of this Senate bill
[58:45] across the state of
[58:51] California?
[58:51] >> Certainly, thanks for the
[58:53] question. So, yes, as we
[58:55] understand the city of San
[58:57] Diego did look into this as
[58:57] part of a larger housing
[58:59] package that they were moving
[59:01] forward. Ultimately, they
[59:01] decided not to move forward
[59:03] with a speech and
[59:06] implementation and to after
[59:10] talking to hcd. As we
[59:12] understand it, there's only
[59:14] been one jurisdiction thus far
[59:16] in the state that has taken
[59:16] advantage and adopted it. And
[59:17] it is a small jurisdiction
[59:19] just south of San Jose in a
[59:21] place to 2 parcels within that
[59:25] jurisdiction. We do know some
[59:26] of the local jurisdictions
[59:26] here in Sonoma County are
[59:28] looking into, including the
[59:30] county itself. But as of none
[59:31] of them have move forward with
[59:40] implementation. MR. Rogers.
[59:40] Thank you.
[59:43] >> So I am I'm looking used to
[59:46] it pro-housing. I think the
[59:48] housing is great. I also think
[59:50] that it is great for
[59:51] developers in.
[59:52] >> Property owners to have
[59:54] tools in their tool box.
[59:55] >> But I'm wondering how this
[1:00:01] will rise above the rest and
[1:00:04] allowing a people to develop
[1:00:06] parcels that the current tools
[1:00:08] we have will not allow them to
[1:00:11] do so. For me, I don't feel
[1:00:14] like I've really heard. That
[1:00:17] yet. And so I'm leaning
[1:00:19] towards the the No further act
[1:00:20] shooting because I don't
[1:00:25] really see how. Implementing
[1:00:25] this. I see that it's going to
[1:00:26] be a lot of staff time. I see
[1:00:30] that it's going to take.
[1:00:30] >> Money to implement. And I
[1:00:33] see those things.
[1:00:34] >> But when we look at the
[1:00:35] current tools that we have, we
[1:00:37] look at how many people have
[1:00:39] utilized the current tools
[1:00:40] that we have available for
[1:00:43] developers and property
[1:00:46] owners. I'm not really seeing
[1:00:47] how it will, the impact it
[1:00:49] will have. And I did hear
[1:00:50] Councilmember Fleming say that
[1:00:54] it is the slow process, but I
[1:00:57] also want to make sure that if
[1:00:58] we're investing in tools that
[1:01:02] these tools will actually be
[1:01:03] used and not just sit
[1:01:04] somewhere in a tool box press
[1:01:06] to but we have this tool that
[1:01:10] is not going to ever the use
[1:01:11] that we've invested time
[1:01:15] monetary. Things that we could
[1:01:17] have been investing in other.
[1:01:21] Areas. So can you please tell
[1:01:22] me exactly like how this is
[1:01:24] going to do something more
[1:01:25] than the tools that we already
[1:01:30] have.
[1:01:31] >> Yes, that's absolutely.
[1:01:33] Think the challenge with sb 10
[1:01:34] in particular and this is
[1:01:34] likely what a lot of
[1:01:35] jurisdictions have struggled
[1:01:38] with a bit is the 10 unit
[1:01:39] model on a parcel is not well
[1:01:42] test it out. It is not a
[1:01:43] common form of development.
[1:01:44] Typically developers are
[1:01:46] either doing single-family
[1:01:47] products or they're doing your
[1:01:49] accounts much greater than
[1:01:51] that. So there isn't really a
[1:01:51] good economic model that shows
[1:01:55] the solid return on that. And
[1:01:57] the state has evolved to allow
[1:01:58] creative concepts with ad used
[1:02:03] to get closer to the Count. We
[1:02:04] do see strong desire and the
[1:02:06] projects that are more
[1:02:07] ministerial and by right,
[1:02:08] meaning developers do not have
[1:02:09] to go through the secret
[1:02:11] process. They move forward
[1:02:11] that that is very attractive.
[1:02:12] And we are seeing a lot of
[1:02:17] attention towards those. So by
[1:02:20] zoning that allows 2 more
[1:02:20] units, objective design
[1:02:21] standards and more treats
[1:02:21] streamlined path that
[1:02:23] generally draws attention. But
[1:02:25] even in the examples of to
[1:02:27] use, dealing with 18, this
[1:02:28] isn't necessarily opening up
[1:02:31] the floodgates. And I think
[1:02:32] the challenge is it can from a
[1:02:33] policy standpoint, which
[1:02:34] usually is what the ultimate
[1:02:37] review and studies look at.
[1:02:38] But we do not necessarily see
[1:02:40] this being a big demand based
[1:02:41] on the demand that we've seen
[1:02:43] for the unit count. And
[1:02:45] typically when you have larger
[1:02:46] parcels, you get more of a
[1:02:47] return more units you build in
[1:02:48] your construction costs
[1:02:50] increased. But your return is
[1:02:52] higher. So I really think just
[1:02:54] the model, especially of a 10
[1:02:55] unit, multifamily project is
[1:02:56] really not tested out. Well,
[1:02:58] because all new developments
[1:02:59] that we've had are traditional
[1:03:00] subdivisions where you're
[1:03:00] creating 10, lots putting 10
[1:03:02] homes on them and selling
[1:03:04] them. So it's difficult to
[1:03:05] understand how the industry
[1:03:07] response to this. But at the
[1:03:08] end of the day, it does offer
[1:03:10] an additional unit density
[1:03:10] that provides a bit more
[1:03:14] flexibility to bump that
[1:03:15] number up. And it would
[1:03:17] hopefully as we go through and
[1:03:18] developed a process for this,
[1:03:18] would it would develop a more
[1:03:19] streamlined path that attract
[1:03:24] developers.
[1:03:29] >> Also, I'm looking at the
[1:03:29] parcel size.
[1:03:30] >> density. So correct me if
[1:03:35] I'm wrong, I parcel size is
[1:03:38] 5100 square feet. So
[1:03:42] >> with this, that means that.
[1:03:47] If I go according to slide 7.
[1:03:53] >> That 6 units could be
[1:03:56] built. Potentially on on a
[1:03:58] parcel that size.
[1:03:59] >> Thanks for the questions.
[1:04:02] So this chart that compares
[1:04:03] parcel size and number of
[1:04:08] units. At and density shows
[1:04:10] both kind of the maximum that
[1:04:12] would be allowed under sb 10.
[1:04:13] And then if the number, if the
[1:04:14] council wanted to move forward
[1:04:15] with, say a lower maximum,
[1:04:21] like 6 units. It results in
[1:04:22] lower density. So it's really
[1:04:24] just showing how densities
[1:04:24] impacted, depending on how
[1:04:27] large the parcel size is. But
[1:04:30] the bill itself doesn't set
[1:04:36] 4th a minimum lot size. So rod
[1:04:37] or kind of straightforward
[1:04:39] application of sb 10 rezoning
[1:04:42] could apply up to 10 units on
[1:04:43] any residential parcel that
[1:04:45] was shown on that map.
[1:04:47] Regardless of if it's 4500
[1:04:51] square feet or one acre. Okay.
[1:04:51] And with the current tools
[1:04:56] that we have. Sorry, I just I
[1:04:57] need to figure out why adding
[1:04:59] an additional is helpful with
[1:05:00] the current tools that we
[1:05:04] have. How many how many units
[1:05:09] can I put on? A lot? That is
[1:05:14] 50, 5100 square Square feet.
[1:05:17] >> Coming up, pull up this.
[1:05:20] State law side because I think
[1:05:22] it best responds. To your
[1:05:23] question.
[1:05:26] >> There are.
[1:05:30] >> Multiple ways that.
[1:05:31] Property owners can utilize
[1:05:33] state bill. So this slide is
[1:05:36] kind of a classic example of 2
[1:05:37] of the more utilize housing
[1:05:40] bills that we've seen. Could
[1:05:41] play togeth. So in this
[1:05:44] example, this could be a your
[1:05:46] property of 5 or 6,000
[1:05:47] square-foot lot. In a low
[1:05:51] density part of Santa Rosa.
[1:05:53] There is the option under
[1:05:55] state law right now to
[1:05:57] subdivide that lot. And then
[1:06:01] develop each of those lots
[1:06:03] with 2 units each so 2 primary
[1:06:04] and its resulting in a total
[1:06:08] of 4. And then on top of that
[1:06:08] to construct accessory
[1:06:13] dwelling units. So that
[1:06:14] graphic is showing a property
[1:06:16] that if you're just looking at
[1:06:17] the general plan, it MAY only
[1:06:21] assume one unit, but actual
[1:06:22] number of units, if you count
[1:06:24] ad uses units as well, results
[1:06:27] and 8. And so as charter and
[1:06:31] answering that is 8 units
[1:06:32] could be allowed on most of
[1:06:35] these. Sb 10 eligible
[1:06:35] properties and low density
[1:06:39] parts of the city. Half of
[1:06:40] what would be 80 use. So that
[1:06:44] is a distinction. But sb 10
[1:06:48] would allow for to to
[1:06:49] potentially for for you. It's
[1:06:52] on top of that. Depending on
[1:06:55] if the council moved forward
[1:06:58] with that 10 unit maximum or a
[1:06:59] lower maximum for sb 10. So
[1:07:00] there's a lot of variables and
[1:07:05] choices here. Somebody could
[1:07:07] still get a units on many low
[1:07:08] density parcels with just what
[1:07:11] state law says now. If the
[1:07:12] council wanted to move forward
[1:07:13] with sb 10, there's the
[1:07:18] potential for. Potentially 2
[1:07:19] to 4 additional units on top
[1:07:24] of what is currently permitted
[1:07:26] a lot of numbers. I don't know
[1:07:28] So that might numbers. 8. And
[1:07:30] I'll just say that if I woke
[1:07:36] up tomorrow in my neighbor.
[1:07:37] >> 6 to 10 new units on their
[1:07:40] property. I don't know how how
[1:07:42] happy I would be after working
[1:07:46] 3 jobs in order just to to
[1:07:46] Biden's home in Sonoma County
[1:07:49] and have that many units right
[1:07:51] next to me in. In addition, I
[1:07:56] don't see how implementing sb
[1:07:56] 10.
[1:08:00] >> Would
[1:08:00] >> would help if they can
[1:08:03] already get a units on there.
[1:08:08] I just don't see. How it is
[1:08:08] helpful.
[1:08:10] >> So I know we have some of
[1:08:14] our housing friendly friends
[1:08:15] in the audience and I really
[1:08:20] would like to know like if
[1:08:21] they're advocating for this,
[1:08:23] how they see that it is
[1:08:25] additional tool that people
[1:08:29] actually use that will be
[1:08:30] helpful and how our
[1:08:34] neighborhoods can function
[1:08:39] with additional. With the
[1:08:42] additional density some of our
[1:08:42] neighborhoods with that will
[1:08:44] look like when we look at
[1:08:46] public safety, when we look at
[1:08:49] parking and I know that we say
[1:08:50] that everyone does it mean
[1:08:50] parking, but the reality is,
[1:08:56] is that we have not moved far
[1:08:57] enough from a place where
[1:08:58] people are not car dependent
[1:08:59] because our public
[1:09:01] transportation is not at a
[1:09:06] place where it can sustained a
[1:09:07] lot of people's daily
[1:09:10] routines. I for one tried it.
[1:09:14] But the know driving and I
[1:09:16] really cannot figure out
[1:09:19] figure out my schedule about
[1:09:21] how to get the kids to school,
[1:09:23] how to get to work and then
[1:09:24] how to get to that meeting and
[1:09:27] how to do all of this by
[1:09:29] taking public transportation.
[1:09:30] So for me, there's just a lot
[1:09:31] more to it. And I'm just
[1:09:34] trying to make it all makes
[1:09:35] sense. But it seems like we
[1:09:39] have adequate tools right now
[1:09:41] to help developers and
[1:09:41] property owners if they would
[1:09:45] like to add additional units.
[1:09:47] I do see how sb would be
[1:09:53] helpful. I'm always up to here
[1:09:54] how it would be helpful. I
[1:09:55] guess that's what I'm asking
[1:09:57] is I am saying make it make
[1:09:58] sense to me because right now
[1:10:03] it doesn't. Thank you MISS
[1:10:04] Running.
[1:10:05] >> Yeah, I think that if we
[1:10:07] had adequate tools, we would
[1:10:09] have adequate housing. I do
[1:10:10] acknowledge that there are
[1:10:11] things that are beyond the
[1:10:11] scope of the city of Santa
[1:10:12] Rosa. But this is one thing
[1:10:15] that we can do and I do hear
[1:10:16] staff saying that there is
[1:10:18] some time this summer. So I
[1:10:19] think that if there is time
[1:10:23] that adding one more tool to
[1:10:26] the toolbox is is hardly a
[1:10:27] harmful thing. There's one
[1:10:28] there's one if you could speak
[1:10:32] to a little around sb 9 around
[1:10:34] owner occupant requirements.
[1:10:35] Is there and are there any
[1:10:41] regulations in there? So state
[1:10:43] law requires that applicants
[1:10:45] when they submit their sb 9
[1:10:48] application that they
[1:10:49] >> agree to stay on the
[1:10:52] property for 3 years following
[1:10:53] the approval of their project.
[1:10:56] It does not mandate it, but
[1:10:58] that's it's an affidavit that
[1:11:00] they signed that saying that
[1:11:01] they will consider living on
[1:11:03] site for 3 years.
[1:11:04] >> You know why? That is the
[1:11:10] way that it is. I do not okay.
[1:11:11] And those sb 9 units require
[1:11:15] that their detached my
[1:11:17] understanding that sb 10 units
[1:11:19] could be multi-family where as
[1:11:24] sb are 80 use.
[1:11:26] >> Never sb 9. You have 2
[1:11:29] primary units and and then you
[1:11:30] can have to use on top of that
[1:11:33] if you wanted to
[1:11:34] >> and sb 10 differs from
[1:11:39] that. In what way? So would be
[1:11:42] units to use, but just 10
[1:11:43] units allowed on a lot and
[1:11:45] they could be cottage course
[1:11:45] they can be multi-family.
[1:11:48] could be any combination
[1:11:48] thereof.
[1:11:50] >> Correct. So it sounds to me
[1:11:53] like it a significantly
[1:11:54] different tool.
[1:11:54] >> One would be like if I have
[1:11:56] a large lot and I want lot
[1:11:58] split and whatever and others
[1:11:58] from the developer looking at
[1:12:00] an undeveloped or a
[1:12:00] potentially, you know,
[1:12:04] recapitalize double lot, but
[1:12:05] I'd be coming in and looking
[1:12:06] at that. Is that sort of the
[1:12:21] difference between these 2?
[1:12:24] >> Yes, I think Senate Bill 10
[1:12:25] because it's so brief. It
[1:12:26] provides for a lot of
[1:12:30] flexibility. So there's not
[1:12:30] there's very few requirements
[1:12:31] in the bill outside of the
[1:12:33] location, all criteria where,
[1:12:35] as you mentioned, that
[1:12:38] property owner or developer
[1:12:40] could choose to move forward
[1:12:42] and build up a project in
[1:12:43] various configurations, right?
[1:12:46] Whereas sb 9, is a bit more
[1:12:49] restrictive and how and how
[1:12:50] it's written? Right? Remember
[1:12:51] looking at this once because I
[1:12:53] have a big lot. And at you
[1:12:54] know, you'd have to split it
[1:12:56] and you have to do that. The
[1:12:56] aid you in this order in that
[1:12:57] order. And what I like about
[1:12:58] sb 10 is that it's just sort
[1:13:00] of a blanket.
[1:13:02] >> Opportunity to build up to
[1:13:03] 10 units doesn't really
[1:13:04] require the order that they're
[1:13:04] done and the configuration. It
[1:13:06] sort of lets the market
[1:13:09] determine what the right way
[1:13:10] to proceed given them the
[1:13:13] conditions at that time. I
[1:13:16] don't have any more questions.
[1:13:20] Thank you, MR. Donald.
[1:13:21] >> I just have a quick
[1:13:23] follow-up question. As far as
[1:13:24] like say, I live in the
[1:13:25] neighborhood. Have 6500 square
[1:13:28] foot ladder had a smaller one.
[1:13:29] Does sb 10 and say you can put
[1:13:34] a 10 story building, you know,
[1:13:36] in their back yard, like build
[1:13:37] an apartment complex. Is there
[1:13:38] some flex like you're saying
[1:13:41] there's a lot of flexibility.
[1:13:42] Would allow something like
[1:13:43] that in the middle of the
[1:13:46] neighborhood. If you met that
[1:13:47] standard to say, I can just
[1:13:47] put my own little apartment
[1:13:51] complex right behind the home.
[1:13:55] That's a great question. So if
[1:13:57] we move forward with sb 10
[1:13:58] implementation and didn't
[1:14:00] touch our development or
[1:14:02] design standards. Any
[1:14:02] development would need to
[1:14:05] comply with what the existing
[1:14:08] standards are, which in most
[1:14:09] of are lower density
[1:14:10] neighborhoods is a high lament
[1:14:15] of 35 feet. Presents a bit of
[1:14:17] a challenge. If we want to get
[1:14:19] up to 10 units because in some
[1:14:20] cases you would need to build
[1:14:22] up the lot sizes smaller. So
[1:14:23] that would be something we
[1:14:24] want to explore just to ensure
[1:14:28] that. If there is additional
[1:14:30] capacity, it can be realized
[1:14:35] while also considering the
[1:14:38] surrounding development. Think
[1:14:39] that's my concern around the
[1:14:41] blanket that there's a lot of
[1:14:41] design standards that would
[1:14:41] have to be considered a lot of
[1:14:41] development standards that
[1:14:43] have to be considered because
[1:14:44] the the language in sb 10
[1:14:46] seems so broad that the staff
[1:14:50] time that's required on these
[1:14:51] little pockets of places that
[1:14:53] potentially want to add more
[1:14:56] units. It's going to require
[1:14:57] that staff time of carving out
[1:15:00] if we did somewhat of a
[1:15:02] blanket type adoption for sb
[1:15:04] 10, which to me sounds like a
[1:15:07] nightmare based on the 72% of
[1:15:08] lots. That could actually have
[1:15:12] this happen. So. I have
[1:15:14] concerns over the capacity of
[1:15:15] of what we would be trying to
[1:15:16] achieve. I agree with
[1:15:19] Councilmember Rogers that I'm
[1:15:20] not sure what more this adds
[1:15:24] right now to us. My
[1:15:25] understanding is if adopt a
[1:15:29] blanket sb 10, there's no
[1:15:33] going back because if we know
[1:15:34] we don't know the unintended
[1:15:37] consequences to it, that if we
[1:15:38] do it, we're stuck with it.
[1:15:40] And there's it doesn't matter
[1:15:41] how much it impacts are.
[1:15:42] Neighborhoods doesn't matter
[1:15:45] how much that it's going to,
[1:15:46] you know, maybe harm public
[1:15:47] safety or any of the other
[1:15:49] things that we obligated to
[1:15:50] do, where we have to comply
[1:16:02] with that. Is that correct?
[1:16:04] Yes. So any rezoning because
[1:16:07] sb 10 allows for rezoning and
[1:16:08] that would remain in place. It
[1:16:10] would not at be allowed to be
[1:16:12] sort of down zoned once that
[1:16:18] action was taken. So the
[1:16:21] answer yes, we do a blanket on
[1:16:22] sb 10. It automatically makes
[1:16:24] his re zone and there's no
[1:16:26] going back and we're not
[1:16:28] really sure about the
[1:16:29] unintended consequences, one
[1:16:30] because no jurisdictions have
[1:16:31] done it really for us to be
[1:16:35] able to test or study. And 2,
[1:16:36] really wouldn't know how it
[1:16:38] would impact Santa Rosa,
[1:16:38] including our staff on how
[1:16:41] we'd have to do design
[1:16:41] standards my understanding
[1:16:45] that part correctly. Yes, I
[1:16:46] think that would be a quick
[1:16:47] summary. We can't go back on
[1:16:50] the rezoning. So once that's
[1:16:50] done there is on for the 10
[1:16:53] units. If it is done broadly
[1:16:54] than that does not provide the
[1:16:55] opportunity to analyze the
[1:16:56] impacts of those 10 units that
[1:16:57] the more local level.
[1:17:01] >> Thank you. Thank you. Any
[1:17:04] of the questions and council.
[1:17:08] I was good conversation. Let's
[1:17:11] go to public comment. If you
[1:17:11] require names in some of call
[1:17:12] to names, let's use both
[1:17:13] podiums and go back and forth
[1:17:16] as quickly as we can.
[1:17:17] >> Our crew mistie bass Tony
[1:17:18] and Omar Lopez. Let's start
[1:17:20] with you. 3. And if you're in
[1:17:22] council chambers and wish to
[1:17:23] make public comment, if you
[1:17:24] could be waiting in the back
[1:17:25] by one of the podium so we can
[1:17:27] we can move this along. All
[1:17:29] right, Marcus, at you. All
[1:17:33] right. We just saw from
[1:17:35] >> mayor council members, good
[1:17:38] afternoon. Thank you. For
[1:17:40] scheduling sb 10 Study session
[1:17:41] today. My name is Mark Rutte.
[1:17:44] I'm in Rosa resident and
[1:17:46] someone who's wrapping up a 37
[1:17:47] year career in affordable
[1:17:51] housing locally. And I'm
[1:17:54] asking you to often does asked
[1:17:54] beat him. And that also to
[1:17:58] make the eligibility as the
[1:17:59] amount of eligible elsewhere,
[1:18:00] Eunice, as large, and
[1:18:02] inclusive as possible. And I
[1:18:04] have 3 reasons for asking you
[1:18:07] to to go that direction today.
[1:18:07] The first has been talked
[1:18:08] about a little bit of the
[1:18:09] council level. And I think
[1:18:11] it's the most important, which
[1:18:14] is sb 10 would add another
[1:18:15] tool to your tool box. One
[1:18:16] thing my long career in
[1:18:19] housing has taught me is you
[1:18:20] need lots and lots of tools in
[1:18:22] your toolbox. There are so
[1:18:23] many barriers, so many
[1:18:25] obstacles, so many challenges
[1:18:27] to getting housing any kind
[1:18:28] built that you need all the
[1:18:29] tools you can. So that's I
[1:18:33] think the most important
[1:18:34] reason. Secondly, sb 10
[1:18:37] maintain growth, boundaries
[1:18:38] and it would more broadly
[1:18:39] facilitate city City center
[1:18:40] growth. Good for the
[1:18:42] environment. Good for
[1:18:43] walkability and all those
[1:18:44] things. I think the city is
[1:18:47] trying to achieve. And 3rd, as
[1:18:48] we 10 would add choices for
[1:18:50] citizens. What would come out
[1:18:53] of sb 10 implementation is
[1:18:54] some naturally occurring
[1:18:55] affordable units and that
[1:18:55] offers a choice to people that
[1:18:58] I think is important. And I
[1:18:59] want to say, lastly, if you
[1:19:02] reluctant about going first,
[1:19:03] we're almost first I think I
[1:19:04] heard is only one other
[1:19:06] community in the state who is
[1:19:07] implementing this. I would ask
[1:19:08] you to refrain that this is
[1:19:12] your opportunity to be bold
[1:19:13] and to be brave in to be Just
[1:19:14] quickly. My last 20 seconds,
[1:19:17] when I words for the city of
[1:19:18] Santa Rosa, as part of my
[1:19:20] career, this is during the
[1:19:23] early odds, number of homeless
[1:19:25] initiatives were launched by
[1:19:26] the city and that had the
[1:19:27] effect of it is giving a Sam
[1:19:28] Jones Holland's mother
[1:19:29] shelters open because of the
[1:19:32] City council's leadership. For
[1:19:33] other jurisdictions to join
[1:19:35] the effort. So I'll stop
[1:19:36] there. Thank you for your
[1:19:37] time.
[1:19:38] >> Thank you, Mark. Alright,
[1:19:39] Misty Omar and then rich.
[1:19:44] Misty.
[1:19:48] >> Thank you. Mayor and
[1:19:49] council for taking the time to
[1:19:52] hear this conversation on
[1:19:58] behalf of Habitat for Humanity
[1:20:02] of Sonoma County and the ceo
[1:20:02] >> we have.
[1:20:03] >> Strong support for the
[1:20:03] city's consideration of this
[1:20:04] ordinance. Allowing up to 10
[1:20:06] homes for parcel designated in
[1:20:07] urban infill.
[1:20:11] >> area near transit.
[1:20:11] >> Stops.
[1:20:12] >> As an organization
[1:20:15] dedicated to creating
[1:20:15] affordable homeownership
[1:20:16] opportunities for local
[1:20:18] families. We know firsthand
[1:20:19] how important flexible land
[1:20:20] use policies are to addressing
[1:20:25] Seminole County's housing.
[1:20:26] >> Challenges smaller infill
[1:20:26] developments offer an
[1:20:30] opportunity to create much
[1:20:32] needed housing within existing
[1:20:33] neighborhoods while making
[1:20:36] efficient use of limited land
[1:20:38] and infrastructure. We have
[1:20:39] seen firsthand what is
[1:20:40] possible when local
[1:20:42] governments embrace this
[1:20:43] approach in SEPTEMBER have
[1:20:44] attacked, completed
[1:20:45] Blankenship place for townhome
[1:20:47] development in Sebastopol
[1:20:52] which transformed a vacant
[1:20:53] 7200 acre lot that had sat
[1:20:53] there. We'd strewn for 40
[1:20:58] years. It is now the home of 4
[1:21:02] amazing local families. This
[1:21:03] project was made possible
[1:21:05] through the city s about
[1:21:05] schools, willingness to
[1:21:06] support residential
[1:21:07] development on commercially
[1:21:10] zone or infill properties. The
[1:21:10] resolution specifically
[1:21:12] recognize that the project
[1:21:13] with advanced several
[1:21:17] important community goals.
[1:21:18] Providing urban sprawl, sorry,
[1:21:22] preventing urban sprawl,
[1:21:22] prioritizing development
[1:21:25] within the city limits
[1:21:25] creating homer ship
[1:21:26] homeownership opportunities
[1:21:28] for low and moderate income
[1:21:30] households providing housing
[1:21:31] or employment schools, retail
[1:21:34] and public transportation and
[1:21:35] encouraging development that
[1:21:35] fits within the existing
[1:21:38] character of neighborhoods. I
[1:21:38] encourage you to support this.
[1:21:39] Thank you for your time. And
[1:21:43] have a great day. Thank you.
[1:21:44] Misty.
[1:21:44] >> Omar Rich. And then add the
[1:21:48] Arnold Omar.
[1:21:49] >> Good afternoon. Mayor
[1:21:51] stopped Vice Mayor Okrepkie
[1:21:52] members of the council and
[1:21:54] staff. My name is Omar Lopez.
[1:21:56] I'm the policy coordinator, a
[1:21:56] generation housing and I'm
[1:21:57] here to urge you to direct
[1:21:59] staff to move forward with sb
[1:22:00] 10. When we talk about
[1:22:01] housing, we often talk about
[1:22:03] it. One piece at a time
[1:22:04] affordable housing, senior
[1:22:06] housing starter homes. But
[1:22:08] housing works like a ladder
[1:22:10] ladder when there's room for
[1:22:10] at each stop, people can move
[1:22:13] up when they need to found
[1:22:14] sites when they need to stay
[1:22:15] in the city that they love
[1:22:16] through every stage of life.
[1:22:18] When steps are missing, people
[1:22:20] got stuck. And Santa Rosa, the
[1:22:21] missing stops are in the
[1:22:23] middle. When we when we have
[1:22:24] single-family homes and we're
[1:22:24] building these larger
[1:22:26] apartment, bought the
[1:22:27] buildings but very little in
[1:22:30] between the cottage courts
[1:22:31] townhomes in small buildings
[1:22:32] that used to be how people got
[1:22:34] their first foot hold that you
[1:22:35] can see. And that's our dc
[1:22:35] neighborhood. A lot of our
[1:22:36] older neighborhoods in Santa
[1:22:41] Rosa being built. As we time
[1:22:42] adds those stops that allows
[1:22:44] him to be built in a much more
[1:22:45] feasible fashion that we don't
[1:22:46] see what the s p nines and the
[1:22:46] other ones, because we're how
[1:22:48] the units can be built under
[1:22:50] sb 10 versus with sb 9 kind of
[1:22:51] like Councilmember Fleming
[1:22:55] mentioned. When an older
[1:22:56] resident can move into a
[1:22:57] smaller home in their own
[1:22:59] neighborhood, the House leave
[1:23:00] open suffer younger family
[1:23:02] when a young family come by
[1:23:02] town home, a rental open
[1:23:05] suffer someone else. New homes
[1:23:06] every level. Great movement
[1:23:10] for everybody. To make it
[1:23:11] work. We asked you a pint is
[1:23:13] probably as you feel
[1:23:14] comfortable with from s and
[1:23:15] make sense. We don't want to
[1:23:16] put a few blocks to cause that
[1:23:17] can kind of defeat the purpose
[1:23:19] of this bill. We want to
[1:23:20] development center to let the
[1:23:23] sums actually be built and
[1:23:25] parent with clear ministerial
[1:23:26] approval process of the city
[1:23:27] is already developing. And as
[1:23:28] part of the work plan from our
[1:23:31] our understanding. And we want
[1:23:32] to confirm the county Sonoma
[1:23:34] has committed to implementing
[1:23:35] has been time as part of their
[1:23:36] housing element and that they
[1:23:37] will start that work at the
[1:23:38] beginning of next year. So to
[1:23:39] see great opportunity for you
[1:23:44] to co-lead. But the county.
[1:23:45] Thank you, Omar Rich Abbey.
[1:23:48] And then Pauline.
[1:23:49] >> Hi, everyone. Rich Wallach
[1:23:50] with Burbank Housing, senior
[1:23:53] director of special projects.
[1:23:56] And I want first say I'm in
[1:23:57] very much in support of this
[1:24:02] program. Sb 10 Atypical
[1:24:03] Burbank Project MAY be around
[1:24:05] 50 units and that's going to
[1:24:08] justify ally. Take a Tax
[1:24:09] credit execution needing up
[1:24:10] one and a half to 3 acres in
[1:24:12] order to build for type 5
[1:24:15] construction. A small infill
[1:24:16] site MAY need much less
[1:24:17] infrastructure and other site
[1:24:21] work and encourage
[1:24:22] entrepreneurial efforts.
[1:24:22] >> Richard lead in the Mike
[1:24:27] Abishur thank you in. Other
[1:24:28] site work and encourage
[1:24:28] entrepreneurial efforts in
[1:24:32] building developer capacity
[1:24:33] for smaller nonprofits,
[1:24:35] applying 80% am I units can
[1:24:36] make projects more feasible by
[1:24:38] applying the well for a tax
[1:24:41] exemption when utilized with
[1:24:42] affordability, regulations.
[1:24:43] And these really do also
[1:24:44] represent missing middle
[1:24:49] approaches. I think this is
[1:24:51] more attractive, as others
[1:24:53] have mentioned, that sb 9 sb
[1:24:54] 98. It correct me if I'm
[1:24:55] wrong, but I think it usually
[1:24:58] requires a homeowner as part
[1:25:00] of that zoning effort. It's
[1:25:01] it's not a 3rd party
[1:25:06] development fake insight.
[1:25:06] Thoughtful, small scale
[1:25:07] development is easier to blend
[1:25:08] in with neighborhood feel in
[1:25:13] style. Made mention to the
[1:25:19] council. There's great
[1:25:22] visionary whose got a small
[1:25:22] scale development book called
[1:25:23] Building Small Bases based and
[1:25:24] Jim Hyde based in Healdsburg.
[1:25:25] And they've got a lot of
[1:25:26] creative ways to do small site
[1:25:28] development that can really
[1:25:31] enhance neighborhoods and take
[1:25:33] into account the neighborhood
[1:25:35] feel. I also have a
[1:25:35] recommendation that maybe
[1:25:37] there's an annual cap. So you
[1:25:42] don't get over over grown with
[1:25:43] that too many projects and not
[1:25:44] enough capacity and still
[1:25:45] implementing a program that
[1:25:46] makes a lot of sense. Thank
[1:25:48] you.
[1:25:49] >> Thank you, Rich, Abby,
[1:25:54] Pauline and then Caitlin.
[1:25:55] >> Thank you so much. Mayor
[1:25:57] Stapp and council. I'm Abby
[1:26:02] Arnold representing Santa Rosa
[1:26:03] Umb today. We're of an all
[1:26:04] volunteer organization of
[1:26:07] about 500 Santa Rosa residents
[1:26:08] who are committed to building
[1:26:12] Santa Rosa into an affordable,
[1:26:13] vibrant and low-carbon city
[1:26:17] for all. Rather than repeating
[1:26:19] what we said in our letter. I
[1:26:20] wanted to respond to some of
[1:26:23] the comments that have been
[1:26:25] made and talk about at a
[1:26:29] practical and emotional level.
[1:26:30] What increasing housing supply
[1:26:31] means for those of us who live
[1:26:34] here in Santa Rosa to begin
[1:26:39] with it corrects the historic
[1:26:41] racism of single-family
[1:26:42] zoning, which was adopted, as
[1:26:46] you can read about in a book
[1:26:47] by Professor Richard Ross
[1:26:50] Sting called The Color of Law.
[1:26:52] It was adopted as a way of
[1:26:53] excluding people from being
[1:26:54] able to live in neighborhoods.
[1:26:56] So it makes our neighborhoods
[1:27:00] more diverse and more vibrant.
[1:27:02] I look at this as a way of
[1:27:04] having more friends or
[1:27:09] neighbors, fewer people who
[1:27:10] are homeless more homeowners,
[1:27:12] more people being able to get
[1:27:16] on the the opportunity to buy
[1:27:16] a home and really put down
[1:27:21] roots and make our homes. One
[1:27:22] of the tragedies that Santa
[1:27:24] Rosa's afflicted with right
[1:27:26] now is the declining
[1:27:27] enrollment our schools. And
[1:27:30] that's directly related to the
[1:27:32] fact that we're about 30% of
[1:27:33] seniors in this city and not
[1:27:36] enough kids are here to take
[1:27:39] it to the b in our schools. It
[1:27:41] will also increase tax
[1:27:44] revenues to pay for critical
[1:27:47] city services. So we are in
[1:27:50] strong support the city
[1:27:53] adopting Prop 10 are an sb 10
[1:27:56] plan. Thank you.
[1:27:57] >> Thank you, Abbi. Halloween,
[1:28:00] Caitlin. And then
[1:28:02] >> Good afternoon. Mayor
[1:28:03] stopped by Samara, preppy and
[1:28:04] members of council. Thank you
[1:28:04] so much for considering this
[1:28:05] today. My name is Pauline
[1:28:08] blocking with cornerstone.
[1:28:10] More local North Bay property
[1:28:11] owner and developer. And I'm
[1:28:15] also a Santa Rosa resident I
[1:28:15] am here to urge you to adopt
[1:28:18] sb 10 as broadly as you can.
[1:28:19] And as you know, it's
[1:28:19] difficult to pencil projects
[1:28:20] right now. So not getting a
[1:28:21] lot of grandma about our
[1:28:22] boundaries around. This is
[1:28:25] going to the essential too. If
[1:28:27] there is time put into
[1:28:28] bringing this effort forward,
[1:28:29] we want to make sure that it
[1:28:30] can be applied and it just
[1:28:31] doesn't become another thing
[1:28:33] on the shelf that has too many
[1:28:34] boundaries that actually make
[1:28:37] it possible to build also
[1:28:37] during the presentation had a
[1:28:40] thought. I think Rich said
[1:28:41] about doing maybe a cap. I
[1:28:42] think annual is great on the
[1:28:43] percentage of the parcels. I
[1:28:46] know there's a concern about
[1:28:47] their being you know, if all
[1:28:50] of those were developed, which
[1:28:51] I don't know the probability,
[1:28:52] but I think an annual cap is a
[1:28:53] great way to potentially
[1:28:54] address that. In addition to
[1:28:57] being here today and for on
[1:28:58] its own. And Santa Rosa
[1:29:00] resident. I'm also assist or I
[1:29:02] should say proud sister of
[1:29:03] emergency room nurse at center
[1:29:05] here in our community. She's
[1:29:06] been a resident in this
[1:29:08] community for over 15 years
[1:29:09] and 2 months ago she moved to
[1:29:11] cloverdale because she could
[1:29:11] not afford the housing here
[1:29:12] and she commutes and now to
[1:29:14] serve the community. So even
[1:29:16] if this is just a piece of the
[1:29:18] affordable housing, you know,
[1:29:19] puzzle and it gets us a step
[1:29:19] forward. It's still a piece
[1:29:23] that. Helps. Omar mentioned
[1:29:24] that housing cycle. We want
[1:29:25] people to be able to move
[1:29:27] through the housing cycle and
[1:29:28] not be stuck. So it helps us
[1:29:29] keep people here in our
[1:29:30] communities. Helps us draw new
[1:29:31] people in. And again, it's
[1:29:32] just a piece of the puzzle to
[1:29:35] help us forward. So I urge you
[1:29:36] to adopt sb 10 in the most
[1:29:37] brought sense that we can. And
[1:29:40] thank you for your time.
[1:29:41] >> Thank you, Pauline, Caitlin
[1:29:46] Jenner and then Peter Stanley.
[1:29:47] Good afternoon. Mayor stopping
[1:29:48] Councilmembers Cape by be here
[1:29:50] on behalf of legal aid Sonoma
[1:29:50] County.
[1:29:51] >> Thank you for this
[1:29:54] opportunity to comment to
[1:29:55] speak alongside so many
[1:29:57] members from our community and
[1:29:59] organizations spoken to the
[1:30:02] depth and the reach of the
[1:30:04] impacts of of the housing
[1:30:06] crisis and the urgency that is
[1:30:09] demanded at legal aid. We see
[1:30:10] this crisis up close every
[1:30:13] single day with families who
[1:30:17] are struggling and sometimes
[1:30:18] just not able to actually keep
[1:30:22] a roof over their heads. We
[1:30:22] have submitted written
[1:30:23] comments as well. So I will
[1:30:24] keep my levels. My my comments
[1:30:27] at a high level. But I think
[1:30:29] the question here tonight is
[1:30:30] not really whether we need to
[1:30:31] build more housing and whether
[1:30:33] we need to build a greater
[1:30:35] diversity of housing types. I
[1:30:43] think the answer both those
[1:30:47] questions is a is a resounding
[1:30:47] yes. But I think the question
[1:30:48] is whether sb 10 is the right
[1:30:48] to has written or can be the
[1:30:48] right tools, scoped in a way
[1:30:49] and that we actually get to an
[1:30:53] equitable outcome where we
[1:30:54] don't see widening disparities
[1:30:54] within our communities as a
[1:30:56] result of how we apply this
[1:31:01] tool. I think we're concerned.
[1:31:02] That, you know, compared to
[1:31:03] some of the state zoning
[1:31:04] reforms that were mentioned as
[1:31:06] being like sb 9, which allows
[1:31:09] up to 8 units or sb 1123. That
[1:31:13] allows up to 10 units that sb
[1:31:14] 10 lacks any requirement that
[1:31:16] the homes redevelops. The
[1:31:17] parcels redevelop do not have
[1:31:18] renters living there
[1:31:19] currently. And so especially
[1:31:21] for neighborhoods where we
[1:31:22] have lower-income communities,
[1:31:25] communities of color and
[1:31:25] primarily single-family homes
[1:31:27] in this community is a thing.
[1:31:29] There is some real concern
[1:31:30] there that if this news for be
[1:31:34] like to see addressed. And I
[1:31:36] will say that. Like I said,
[1:31:37] we've submitted additional
[1:31:38] written comments that outline
[1:31:41] how the city might scope sb 10
[1:31:42] locally in a way that
[1:31:42] affirmatively further sapped
[1:31:45] fair housing. Thank you. Thank
[1:31:45] you, Kate. All right. Jenny
[1:31:50] beer. I
[1:31:51] >> Good evening. Mayor
[1:31:53] Council, thank you. Staff of
[1:31:54] the presentation. I want to
[1:31:58] just address a couple things
[1:32:00] quickly. The first thing is is
[1:32:00] about is this a good tool or
[1:32:03] do we have enough tools and I
[1:32:04] think the answer is pretty
[1:32:05] simple that they're just the
[1:32:06] facts as we don't have enough
[1:32:07] homes and our homes are too
[1:32:10] expensive. 4 people who live
[1:32:11] and work here and these are
[1:32:14] just facts. And so we are also
[1:32:17] set to underperform production
[1:32:18] any time in the last 60 years.
[1:32:21] These are just facts. So
[1:32:22] clearly the tools we have are
[1:32:24] not enough. And we need every
[1:32:25] tool in every tool is going to
[1:32:26] do just a little bit because
[1:32:28] there is no magic bullet.
[1:32:30] There isn't. So this is got to
[1:32:31] do something. This is a great
[1:32:34] tool in the tool box. Second
[1:32:36] thing is around, this is the
[1:32:37] one thing I want to thank
[1:32:39] staff for great work and
[1:32:40] they've been great partners in
[1:32:41] this. But the one thing I
[1:32:41] would disagree with you on is
[1:32:43] whether or not this is
[1:32:44] economically proven because it
[1:32:46] is economically proven when it
[1:32:48] was legal. They did it and you
[1:32:49] see it in the McDonald
[1:32:50] neighborhood. You see it in
[1:32:51] the Jaycee neighborhood and
[1:32:52] you see it in the Burbank
[1:32:53] neighborhood. You see it in
[1:32:54] Cherry Street. You see it in
[1:32:54] downtown Healdsburg. You see
[1:32:58] it in downtown Petaluma.
[1:32:59] >> You see it in every older
[1:33:01] neighborhood when it was
[1:33:02] legal, they do. And they built
[1:33:05] and I own a home on the corner
[1:33:06] of McDonald neighborhood
[1:33:07] District and I have a home in
[1:33:08] an ad you and across the
[1:33:09] street, there's a single
[1:33:09] family home and across the
[1:33:10] street, there's 10 units and
[1:33:11] across the street the other
[1:33:13] way, there's a four-bedroom
[1:33:14] cottage thing in down the
[1:33:14] street. There's a triplex and
[1:33:17] there's a budget, fancy
[1:33:18] single-family homes and has a
[1:33:19] budget ride. Flexes in quads,
[1:33:20] all throughout the
[1:33:20] neighborhood that you don't
[1:33:22] even know. Our multi-family
[1:33:23] when it was legal, they did
[1:33:27] it. So this is a great tool.
[1:33:29] You know, in 2019, the
[1:33:30] governor said Santa Rosa,
[1:33:31] you're doing all that you can
[1:33:34] and we were at the moment,
[1:33:36] right? We were speeding,
[1:33:37] rebuild and we were up zoning
[1:33:38] downtown. But it's not enough
[1:33:40] because it's too hard. So
[1:33:41] we've got to do every single
[1:33:44] thing we possibly can. And
[1:33:46] this is a great tool. So
[1:33:47] please adopted broadly. But
[1:33:47] with the objective design
[1:33:49] standards.
[1:33:54] >> Thank you, Peter.
[1:33:55] >> Good Good evening. Mayor
[1:33:56] staff members of the council.
[1:34:00] My name is Peter I've had an
[1:34:01] architectural land use
[1:34:01] planning and development
[1:34:02] consulting firm in Santa Rosa
[1:34:04] for 25 years now, I spent 6
[1:34:05] years on the planning
[1:34:08] Commission and I am now I
[1:34:09] stepped across the island now
[1:34:12] and the just finished. A 14
[1:34:13] unit incremental townhouse
[1:34:15] development in another
[1:34:17] jurisdiction. I will tell you,
[1:34:17] I couldn't have done that
[1:34:18] project here. Sb 10 would have
[1:34:21] allowed me to do that here. I
[1:34:24] think it's important to all
[1:34:26] the speakers have talked very
[1:34:28] eloquently about why we need
[1:34:29] another tool in the tool box.
[1:34:32] And that's because sb 9 is a
[1:34:34] great tool, but it doesn't do
[1:34:37] what I want to do. And I want
[1:34:38] to build housing in this
[1:34:40] community, but I can't do that
[1:34:41] under sb 9 unless I'm going to
[1:34:44] living in one of the houses
[1:34:46] for 3 years. That's not how we
[1:34:47] develop housing for the
[1:34:48] communities that are being
[1:34:49] marginalized here. Sb 10
[1:34:52] allows us to do all kinds of
[1:34:54] more creative development
[1:34:54] patterns. Those creative
[1:34:55] development patterns are going
[1:34:57] to be able to give housing to
[1:35:00] people who can't afford like
[1:35:01] COUNCILMAN Rogers and me what
[1:35:02] I had to do to get my house.
[1:35:06] It takes a lot of work. What
[1:35:08] we need options that allow
[1:35:09] those people to not have to
[1:35:11] have 3 jobs in order to get
[1:35:13] housing. We need to have the
[1:35:14] kind of housing that when
[1:35:18] people graduate from Sonoma
[1:35:19] State or they get a degree
[1:35:20] that's rjc, that they can stay
[1:35:21] in this community and they
[1:35:21] don't have to live in a house
[1:35:25] with 4 other people. This is
[1:35:26] what sb 10 does. It's just
[1:35:26] another tool in the tool box.
[1:35:29] These tool box. Items that
[1:35:30] everybody talks about. They're
[1:35:32] not something could to just
[1:35:35] sort of cast aside. You can't
[1:35:36] throw a big blanket over the
[1:35:39] city and say we solve the
[1:35:41] problem. We will not have a
[1:35:43] floodgate of sb 10 projects
[1:35:44] coming through. I can tell you
[1:35:45] that because I've been here
[1:35:46] for 25 years. I've watched all
[1:35:48] these policies go in place and
[1:35:50] they each elevate housing, but
[1:35:53] they do not overwhelm it. So I
[1:35:54] would encourage you to approve
[1:35:56] consent broad range. Thank
[1:35:56] you.
[1:35:58] >> Thank you, Peter.
[1:36:04] >> Fred, you're up next.
[1:36:08] >> Santa Rosa has a suburban
[1:36:08] sprawl development pattern
[1:36:10] that locked in primarily white
[1:36:11] single-family zone
[1:36:13] neighborhoods. This was and is
[1:36:14] systemic segregation. These
[1:36:16] low density areas reported
[1:36:18] opportunity and burned a
[1:36:18] bridge to replicating what
[1:36:21] they have with the eu gb
[1:36:23] movement. Yuji bees made for a
[1:36:25] green checkmate know pushing
[1:36:26] the edge but no dense, dense
[1:36:30] infield tolerated either. This
[1:36:32] makes low quality city strips
[1:36:32] in Santa Rosa Avenue into
[1:36:35] nimby and Reno relief valves
[1:36:36] sb 10 attempts to address that
[1:36:39] corn in the argument that up
[1:36:41] zoning destroys neighborhood
[1:36:42] character by disguising medium
[1:36:43] density housing units to look
[1:36:46] like single-family homes. But
[1:36:48] there is no sb 10
[1:36:50] affordability requirement sb
[1:36:52] 10 units won't address the
[1:36:52] city's greatest affordability
[1:36:55] needs because the units we'll
[1:36:56] be market rate and market rate
[1:36:58] is on affordable at even
[1:36:59] smaller unit sizes too low,
[1:37:01] very low and extremely low
[1:37:02] income cohort as well as many
[1:37:07] moderate income folks. The
[1:37:08] greatest need Rosa,
[1:37:10] significant 3 cycle. Reno
[1:37:11] backlog, a very low income
[1:37:12] housing. And this is what
[1:37:15] really needs plan. So enter
[1:37:16] affirmatively furthering fair
[1:37:17] housing and the requirement
[1:37:18] that meaningful actions be
[1:37:20] taken to combat segregation.
[1:37:21] Coming on the city to bring
[1:37:24] forward aff age, the housing
[1:37:27] element, equity peas and
[1:37:28] ensure that no actions are
[1:37:29] taken that go against this
[1:37:30] law. If you decide to go with
[1:37:35] the sb 10 overlays. So I would
[1:37:36] like to back case comment from
[1:37:40] legal aid and support
[1:37:41] generally in the comments of
[1:37:42] Councilmember Fleming and
[1:37:43] other folks that we need more
[1:37:45] tools in the tool box, but
[1:37:47] also with the provision that
[1:37:48] Kate made that there has to be
[1:37:53] aff age. Analysis and study.
[1:37:54] So that won't be shown that
[1:37:55] these market rates want to
[1:37:56] exacerbate existing
[1:37:59] segregation. Thank you. Thank
[1:38:01] you, Fred. Is there anybody
[1:38:02] else in council chambers who
[1:38:06] was just wishes to speak?
[1:38:07] >> Seeing none. We'll go
[1:38:08] online. MADAM Zoom host, is
[1:38:09] there anybody online who has
[1:38:10] their hand raised or has
[1:38:12] doubts or 9?
[1:38:14] >> But, of course, mayor, for
[1:38:16] this item there is we're going
[1:38:17] to start with Stephanie and
[1:38:18] then move on to leora. If
[1:38:20] there's anybody else on zoom,
[1:38:21] raise your hand now or it's
[1:38:30] star 9. If you dialed in.
[1:38:31] Stephanie, I have enabled your
[1:38:32] permissions. Go right ahead.
[1:38:36] >> Can you hear me? Yep. Thank
[1:38:37] My name is Stephanie. I'm with
[1:38:39] generation housing, but I'm
[1:38:42] actually here to share comment
[1:38:43] from.
[1:38:44] >> Alicia, about ppe for
[1:38:44] workplace solutions on behalf
[1:38:45] of key site who share common
[1:38:47] with us earlier today, she's
[1:38:51] unable to attend to key site,
[1:38:53] is experiencing tremendous
[1:38:54] growth and hiring rapidly and
[1:38:56] attracting great time to Santa
[1:38:57] Rosa means giving employees
[1:38:58] the opportunity to build a
[1:39:00] light here. Not just work
[1:39:01] Right now, house and feel like
[1:39:03] one of the most fragile
[1:39:04] threads connecting that
[1:39:05] opportunity to a long-term
[1:39:07] future. And Santa Rosa, we can
[1:39:09] bring great people here, but
[1:39:10] whether they can put down
[1:39:11] roots and truly become part of
[1:39:13] this community depends in
[1:39:13] meaningful part on whether
[1:39:14] they can find a home that
[1:39:17] works for them. Great housing
[1:39:18] opportunities can turn that
[1:39:20] fragile threat today into a
[1:39:22] strong rope for the future
[1:39:23] connecting employees,
[1:39:23] families, employers and the
[1:39:26] community for years to come
[1:39:27] expanding the range of
[1:39:27] attainable housing options,
[1:39:29] including missing middle
[1:39:31] housing, gives more people the
[1:39:33] chance to make that connection
[1:39:34] lasting. And I want to share a
[1:39:35] couple more things that
[1:39:36] clarify that. This is for me,
[1:39:39] Stephanie, not Alicia, but I I
[1:39:41] I would encourage you all not
[1:39:43] to fear the 72% number. This
[1:39:46] isn't good thing that this
[1:39:46] many parcels can take
[1:39:50] advantage of this sb 9 has
[1:39:52] been in effect for 4 years and
[1:39:53] includes most Santa Rosa
[1:39:53] parcels. And only been 15
[1:39:57] projects. An additional tool
[1:39:58] that can add more density. But
[1:40:00] like with sb 9, it's hard when
[1:40:01] you have many parcels to be
[1:40:02] available so that incremental
[1:40:07] percentage will I also want
[1:40:08] clarify the sb 9 versus that
[1:40:09] the 10 conversations not
[1:40:13] apples to were sb. 9 allows 8
[1:40:14] 10 allows time has I'm like
[1:40:15] has been said many times
[1:40:15] requires homeowner occupy one
[1:40:17] of these units as the time
[1:40:22] does not to housing doesn't
[1:40:22] just out a bunch new people to
[1:40:24] the city allows people to move
[1:40:26] out of their penthouse out of
[1:40:27] a roommate situation out of
[1:40:28] substandard housing and
[1:40:29] overcrowded housing. It
[1:40:30] creates desperately needed
[1:40:31] movement in the market. And
[1:40:32] adds new residents said who
[1:40:38] can? Thank you, Stephanie
[1:40:38] Leora.
[1:40:39] >> Followed by, Carol. If
[1:40:40] anybody else again, raise your
[1:40:42] hand now, please. We are a go
[1:40:43] right ahead. I've been able
[1:40:46] permissions.
[1:40:47] >> I everybody of my name is
[1:40:50] Lee or not Congress. I work
[1:40:54] for you in the action but also
[1:40:56] really support density and and
[1:40:57] neighborhoods against gentle
[1:41:00] density. Is that your car?
[1:41:01] >> live a parcel a half acre
[1:41:06] parcel of that originally had
[1:41:10] one unit on and are able to
[1:41:11] build. Jt year today, 80's
[1:41:13] actually. And in a tu. So we
[1:41:18] have 4 units and you know, our
[1:41:20] houses look any different than
[1:41:21] the House's owner Street. But
[1:41:23] what we do have is we have my
[1:41:23] mother-in-law and my father
[1:41:27] and I who have their own home,
[1:41:27] but are still really close.
[1:41:28] They can provide child care
[1:41:30] for our 2 kids. And we can't
[1:41:34] afford to stay here because we
[1:41:35] have all these incomes that
[1:41:36] are sort of contributing to
[1:41:39] our property. I would never in
[1:41:41] a million years be able to
[1:41:41] afford our neighborhood
[1:41:47] neighborhood. If we didn't all
[1:41:48] these adults, have a guy who
[1:41:49] are contributing to our
[1:41:51] mortgage and and to the upkeep
[1:41:52] and it's allowed my kids to go
[1:41:56] to a really good school and
[1:41:57] really just opened up a lot
[1:42:01] opportunities for family in
[1:42:03] general. So, yeah, I encourage
[1:42:07] you to to be expansive in your
[1:42:08] in your definitions of
[1:42:09] housing, what it looks like,
[1:42:13] what it could be. And and and
[1:42:15] really think about how it
[1:42:16] makes. Your life changing
[1:42:17] difference for everybody who
[1:42:19] is able to. To have a stable
[1:42:21] home.
[1:42:25] >> Thank you. All right.
[1:42:26] Moving on to Terrell. We're
[1:42:27] going to follow that with
[1:42:29] Jessica. Darrell. Go right
[1:42:30] ahead. I've been able
[1:42:33] permissions.
[1:42:35] >> Yeah, I think city
[1:42:36] councilmembers. My name is
[1:42:40] Daryl land and I'm speaking
[1:42:40] behalf of common space
[1:42:45] community Land Trust. We're a
[1:42:45] local nonprofit
[1:42:48] community-based affordable
[1:42:49] housing organization working
[1:42:50] throughout Sonoma County,
[1:42:50] along with in the city of
[1:42:54] Santa Rosa. And Common spaces.
[1:42:55] Housing mission is to U.S. 3
[1:42:58] part to protect, preserve and
[1:43:00] produce affordable housing for
[1:43:04] our community members. Today
[1:43:05] before the council's a choice
[1:43:06] to look at adopting this
[1:43:10] statewide law that. Allow the
[1:43:13] city take another step in
[1:43:14] expanding the protect the
[1:43:15] production side of the House
[1:43:18] and question. And that is why
[1:43:19] like I would like to speak to
[1:43:22] our organization's support for
[1:43:23] sb 10 and encourage this
[1:43:26] council to look at a broad
[1:43:29] adoption of zone. For all the
[1:43:30] urban infill parcels
[1:43:31] throughout the city of Santa
[1:43:34] Rosa. I think it's key to
[1:43:38] remember that this is up to 10
[1:43:39] houses, 10 units. It doesn't
[1:43:40] mean that all 10 need to be
[1:43:44] developed when it comes
[1:43:45] housing affordability. The
[1:43:46] math is simple. We simply do
[1:43:49] not housing to keep up with
[1:43:50] Santa Rosa needs more housing
[1:43:51] options for more of our
[1:43:56] community members. While
[1:43:57] recognizing this issues is
[1:43:57] considered simple answer is
[1:44:01] complex. The city planning
[1:44:02] staff and council members over
[1:44:04] the past 5 years have made
[1:44:06] good choices on moving forward
[1:44:07] with progressive zoning and
[1:44:10] housing policy changes and
[1:44:11] they've been implemented. A
[1:44:12] number of changes to the
[1:44:13] zoning bags that have led more
[1:44:16] housing being built. But
[1:44:18] that's said I'm certain that
[1:44:18] the county council should
[1:44:20] choose to make more
[1:44:21] progressive and expansive
[1:44:25] steps to updating and owning
[1:44:26] the city zoning regulations.
[1:44:29] This will only encourage and
[1:44:29] and be a signal that the city
[1:44:31] is doing the right their part.
[1:44:34] To build more housing.
[1:44:38] >> Thank you, Carol.
[1:44:39] >> Going to be moving on to
[1:44:40] Jessica. Jessica. Go ahead
[1:44:46] unable permissions.
[1:44:49] >> can you hear me yet?
[1:44:52] >> Good And city council
[1:44:53] members. My name is Jessica
[1:44:55] and I am a massive social work
[1:44:58] student at University Southern
[1:45:00] California. I also work as a
[1:45:00] psp prenatal cordinator as
[1:45:03] Santa Rosa Community Health
[1:45:04] where I work closely with
[1:45:06] pregnant women and families in
[1:45:07] our community. I moved to
[1:45:09] Saint Rose in APRIL of this
[1:45:11] year. And one thing I notice
[1:45:12] is how difficult it is for
[1:45:14] families to find affordable
[1:45:16] housing. I understand that is
[1:45:17] the tenants being discussed as
[1:45:19] a way to allow more housing
[1:45:21] development in certain areas.
[1:45:23] Santa Rosa, while increasing
[1:45:25] housing opportunities is
[1:45:26] important. I also believe we
[1:45:26] need to consider whether these
[1:45:27] homes will be affordable and
[1:45:29] accessible to low-income
[1:45:31] families through my work, I
[1:45:32] think are encountered pregnant
[1:45:33] women who are living in their
[1:45:34] cars were rooms are staying
[1:45:35] with relatives because they
[1:45:38] cannot afford housing. One
[1:45:39] situation. I really concerns
[1:45:40] me is pregnant women with
[1:45:40] gestational diabetes who need
[1:45:43] insulin but are living out of
[1:45:44] their cars without stable
[1:45:46] housing. Even something as a
[1:45:48] basic they as having a safe
[1:45:49] place to store medication can
[1:45:51] become a challenge. I
[1:45:52] regularly help connect
[1:45:53] families with resources such
[1:45:56] as Burbank, housing. But there
[1:45:57] are often limited openings and
[1:45:58] families must meet specific
[1:45:59] eligibility requirements as a
[1:46:02] city Council considers sb 10.
[1:46:03] I encourage you to think about
[1:46:04] how additional housing
[1:46:06] development can also address
[1:46:07] affordability and
[1:46:07] accessibility for families who
[1:46:10] need it. Most housing is more
[1:46:11] than just a roof over
[1:46:13] someone's head. It affects
[1:46:14] physical health and mental
[1:46:15] health and the well-being of
[1:46:16] our community. Thank you very
[1:46:23] for your time. Thank you,
[1:46:24] >> There's anyone else. Please
[1:46:27] raise your hand. Back to you.
[1:46:31] Mayor.
[1:46:32] >> Thank you very much,
[1:46:33] Lauren. Alright, back to
[1:46:34] council for final discussion
[1:46:35] and any direction to staff.
[1:46:39] Thoughts. Ben Willis. Thank
[1:46:42] you, Mayor.
[1:46:45] >> The kind of go back and
[1:46:52] forth options 2, 3, I don't
[1:46:53] want our hands to be tied in
[1:46:54] anyway. So that's why I'm
[1:46:56] leaning toward the broad
[1:46:59] implementation. But I would
[1:47:01] like to see and I know we
[1:47:02] can't necessarily dictate
[1:47:03] this. But what I would like to
[1:47:05] see is the low in low-income
[1:47:10] housing be a focus and not
[1:47:14] just market rate
[1:47:15] >> a diversity of housing. And
[1:47:18] I know that's been been
[1:47:19] somewhere where it MAY be.
[1:47:19] When I was reading the staff
[1:47:21] reported talked about
[1:47:24] diversity of different types
[1:47:26] of housing, which I think
[1:47:27] Santa Rosa really needs
[1:47:27] because I don't think we have
[1:47:30] that. And especially when I
[1:47:31] look at other jurisdictions
[1:47:34] just even around us, we don't
[1:47:35] have the kind of diversity
[1:47:40] that a lot of cities have. And
[1:47:42] then I think it was mentioned
[1:47:43] the objective designs
[1:47:46] standards. So that's why think
[1:47:46] it's kind of a combination of
[1:47:48] 2, 3, but that's sort of the
[1:47:49] direction I would like to see
[1:47:51] us going. I know we need more
[1:47:52] housing. That's not even a
[1:47:52] question is just a question. I
[1:48:00] think of how we utilize sb 10
[1:48:01] I don't like I said, I don't
[1:48:02] want to see us tire hands, but
[1:48:03] I think I would love for us to
[1:48:07] move in that direction if
[1:48:08] there was anything else. I
[1:48:08] want to mention, I think those
[1:48:14] are the for me at this time.
[1:48:16] Thank Other thoughts. MR.
[1:48:21] Rogers. So
[1:48:26] >> thoughts. I did have a a
[1:48:28] question. So the multifamily
[1:48:30] when we talk about multifamily
[1:48:33] units for me, that's maybe we
[1:48:35] can possibly start getting to
[1:48:35] the
[1:48:39] >> entry level into home
[1:48:41] ownership. Do we not have any
[1:48:41] tools right now other than 80
[1:48:46] use where people can build the
[1:48:48] duplexes and try Plex is in
[1:48:51] different types of development
[1:48:52] that will allow people to get
[1:48:54] into the entry level home
[1:48:59] ownership. Yes, thank you for
[1:49:01] that question. So the code
[1:49:02] does currently allow duplexes
[1:49:05] and triplex is in.
[1:49:07] >> Our single family
[1:49:09] residential neighborhoods
[1:49:11] duplexes and have plex is
[1:49:14] recently. We change our code
[1:49:15] regulations prior they they
[1:49:17] required a minor conditional
[1:49:18] use permit are low density
[1:49:22] areas that requirement was
[1:49:23] removed. They are now allowed
[1:49:26] by rate. So just needs to
[1:49:27] maintain density. But
[1:49:29] additional units be on a
[1:49:31] duplex or half plex requires a
[1:49:32] minor. Sorry, a director level
[1:49:35] use permit. But it is allowed
[1:49:35] in our all of our low density
[1:49:39] residential neighborhoods.
[1:49:43] >> what can we do?
[1:49:45] >> To support or ensure that
[1:49:48] these units are affordable
[1:49:49] because I think one of the
[1:49:52] public commenter said it best
[1:49:52] just because we build it
[1:49:53] doesn't mean that they're
[1:49:55] going to be affordable. So
[1:50:00] what can we do as a city to
[1:50:01] ensure that if we move forward
[1:50:03] with sb 10. That there's some
[1:50:06] incentive. For the units to be
[1:50:13] affordable.
[1:50:15] >> So I think that's something
[1:50:16] that we would need to look
[1:50:17] closely We can work with our
[1:50:21] housing department on that
[1:50:21] requirement for affordability
[1:50:27] you know, includes going into
[1:50:28] contract with development
[1:50:29] project. But we could
[1:50:29] certainly look at incentives
[1:50:31] and ways to encourage and
[1:50:33] affordability as part of this.
[1:50:37] Something like this moving
[1:50:38] forward.
[1:50:41] >> And if we're going based on
[1:50:42] Omar's comment, I think of
[1:50:43] affordability is deemed
[1:50:45] appropriate for whoever its
[1:50:47] purchase saying. So there
[1:50:49] really is nothing to say that
[1:50:51] something is affordable. But
[1:50:52] if we
[1:50:55] >> what that ladder where
[1:50:57] people can start or have entry
[1:50:58] into home ownership and then
[1:51:00] go to the next and then go to
[1:51:01] the next.
[1:51:03] >> We do need different
[1:51:04] different types of units. We
[1:51:07] need different income brackets
[1:51:08] that qualify for those units
[1:51:13] in and so on. But what
[1:51:14] >> what I kind don't want is
[1:51:19] just for us to. Build housing
[1:51:21] only for a developer or
[1:51:22] someone to come in. That
[1:51:24] doesn't live in our community
[1:51:25] in by a bunch of housing and
[1:51:29] then rent it out.
[1:51:33] >> To our community members
[1:51:33] because that's
[1:51:34] counterproductive. I mean,
[1:51:35] that's not doing what it is
[1:51:37] that we want to happen in that
[1:51:37] is for our community members
[1:51:41] to be able have home ownership
[1:51:43] to start building that
[1:51:46] generational wealth that we
[1:51:49] know can can definitely change
[1:51:49] the trajectory of our
[1:51:53] families.
[1:51:56] >> And then the Sebastopol
[1:51:58] example of building the 4
[1:51:59] homes. There was the public
[1:52:00] commentary that gave the
[1:52:00] example of that. It's about
[1:52:03] the pool.
[1:52:04] >> Example. Is that not
[1:52:06] something that we would be
[1:52:07] able to do now with the tools
[1:52:10] that we have? To put for units
[1:52:15] on on a parcel. I think that
[1:52:20] was that her example right? So
[1:52:21] need to look at what they
[1:52:22] example was in and I think it
[1:52:25] would depend on a case-by-case
[1:52:25] basis.
[1:52:26] >> Where it is and the city
[1:52:28] with the zoning is with the
[1:52:29] density is that, you know,
[1:52:33] again, our code does allow for
[1:52:35] duplexes and have plex is in
[1:52:36] our single-family areas by
[1:52:39] rate so and then, of course,
[1:52:39] there's you know, the
[1:52:40] additional units that can be
[1:52:44] added through 8 eu law. And,
[1:52:45] you know, certainly we've got
[1:52:45] our missing middle housing
[1:52:46] ordinance to laws a lot more.
[1:52:49] So I think there's a lot of
[1:52:50] variables there, but something
[1:52:52] that we could certainly look
[1:52:52] into.
[1:52:55] >> So I did get another book
[1:52:56] that I need to read out of it.
[1:52:57] So I think that that's great
[1:53:00] color of law. But if it's the
[1:53:04] will of the council, I I'm
[1:53:07] okay be 10. I think it needs
[1:53:12] to be targeted. Because I
[1:53:13] think that that's really
[1:53:16] important. Some at commenters
[1:53:17] gave examples of how you can
[1:53:17] be in a neighborhood. I think
[1:53:19] it was Chan and you can be in
[1:53:21] a neighborhood and you not
[1:53:23] even know that. That is multi
[1:53:26] unit because it was by design.
[1:53:28] And so I think that we really
[1:53:30] need to because once we
[1:53:31] implemented won't go away that
[1:53:33] we really need to make sure
[1:53:39] that is something that we
[1:53:39] target in certain
[1:53:40] neighborhoods and because it
[1:53:42] fits that neighborhood, not
[1:53:44] just say it, we can do it
[1:53:46] anywhere. I don't think that
[1:53:50] that would be helpful for us.
[1:53:53] We need to have a plan about
[1:53:55] what it looks like in in 20
[1:53:58] years from now. If this is
[1:53:59] something that we are going to
[1:54:03] have to continue to use and we
[1:54:06] can't take it back. So. Thank
[1:54:11] you. MISS Funding.
[1:54:14] >> I think more or less made
[1:54:15] my interest clear earlier. But
[1:54:18] I'll reiterate that I think we
[1:54:20] should move forward with
[1:54:21] except in the wildland urban
[1:54:23] interface and except in the
[1:54:27] >> flood plains that we should
[1:54:29] also bring forward objective
[1:54:31] design standards and that we
[1:54:31] should when it comes back to
[1:54:33] the full Council for
[1:54:37] implementation that we ought
[1:54:40] have a night words, not
[1:54:41] displacing renters, but not in
[1:54:44] such a way that precludes us
[1:54:46] from getting the housing
[1:54:47] ultimately built because the
[1:54:48] more housing that is
[1:54:49] available, whether it's
[1:54:52] ownership or rental more stock
[1:54:56] we need. We need staff at
[1:54:57] affordable by design. We need
[1:54:58] stock illegally affordable. We
[1:55:02] need stock at market rate. And
[1:55:03] as somebody who lives in the
[1:55:04] neighborhood that Jen
[1:55:05] mentioned.
[1:55:08] >> One of hit. It's my
[1:55:09] understanding that these
[1:55:10] neighborhoods were not
[1:55:14] designed such a way that that
[1:55:15] precluded this multi-family
[1:55:16] housing, that it's the newer
[1:55:17] neighborhoods, the suburban
[1:55:18] outlying neighborhoods and
[1:55:19] Tanner is that they were
[1:55:20] designed for only
[1:55:25] single-family housing that the
[1:55:26] market build single-family
[1:55:28] housing alongside multifamily
[1:55:30] housing without regulation. It
[1:55:32] was that when the regulation
[1:55:34] came in, it was really
[1:55:37] intended to push folks of
[1:55:37] color, lower-income folks
[1:55:39] further and further out. And,
[1:55:40] you know, we see that both
[1:55:41] within our cities and within
[1:55:43] our metropolitan area that
[1:55:44] when we zoned for
[1:55:45] single-family housing and we
[1:55:48] have then city limits and how,
[1:55:50] you know, car parking minimums
[1:55:50] that people get further and
[1:55:51] further pushed out. And if you
[1:55:54] look at it, the city like San
[1:55:55] Francisco, the African
[1:55:57] American population continues
[1:55:58] decline. Well, the Central
[1:56:00] Valley continues to grow. And
[1:56:03] so and suburbanization and
[1:56:05] single family dwellings have
[1:56:06] had a really negative effect
[1:56:07] on our community. And this is
[1:56:11] one small step we We can take
[1:56:13] towards towards reversing that
[1:56:13] pattern in all. Just also add
[1:56:15] that I think that
[1:56:17] opportunities for home
[1:56:19] ownership are not necessarily
[1:56:19] always better than
[1:56:22] opportunities for renting. We
[1:56:23] know that the market
[1:56:26] consistently outperforms home
[1:56:27] equity and home equity and
[1:56:29] living in owning a home offer
[1:56:30] stability in all kinds of
[1:56:31] wonderful outcomes for
[1:56:34] children. But it's not
[1:56:36] necessarily and efficient
[1:56:38] financial tool. What to my
[1:56:39] mind when I saw when I went to
[1:56:41] Vienna really great for
[1:56:43] mobility is having lots of
[1:56:44] housing at lots of different
[1:56:46] income levels. Rental
[1:56:46] ownership, limited Equity, Co
[1:56:48] housing, all of the things.
[1:56:49] And so that people flexibility
[1:56:52] throughout their life cycles
[1:56:53] to come and go and do what
[1:56:55] they need to do. And maybe the
[1:56:56] housing is a way that they
[1:56:58] build equity and wealth, but
[1:56:59] maybe it's through the market
[1:56:59] or through whatever else. And
[1:57:02] people aren't tethered to one
[1:57:04] geographic location for
[1:57:06] fraternity. So, you know,
[1:57:07] mostly what Carolyn Manuela
[1:57:10] said. I second that and I look
[1:57:12] forward to hearing when it
[1:57:13] comes probably at home on my
[1:57:19] tv. Thank you, MR. Donald.
[1:57:23] >> Thank you. I actually
[1:57:24] really appreciate council
[1:57:26] member from means, you her
[1:57:27] background and all of her
[1:57:28] knowledge around housing. And
[1:57:29] so I appreciate all your
[1:57:30] comments tonight.
[1:57:31] Councilmember Fleming with
[1:57:35] that said, I have concern over
[1:57:36] a blanket on sb 10 and some of
[1:57:37] it is the work that I think
[1:57:40] has to go into our high-risk
[1:57:42] areas. Obviously, my district,
[1:57:42] I really represent a lot of
[1:57:46] folks that are in the wee and
[1:57:49] we just out to come out that
[1:57:50] showed high risk on fire. So I
[1:57:53] think safety is paramount for
[1:57:54] me on exit routes, making sure
[1:57:56] that people in the event of
[1:57:56] any type of natural disaster,
[1:58:00] whether it's flooding or
[1:58:01] potentially fires that that's
[1:58:02] considered. And I'm not sure
[1:58:05] that as beach n covers that
[1:58:06] because of the ability to move
[1:58:08] forward. So I think that would
[1:58:11] be something that would be of
[1:58:13] great concern to me. And what
[1:58:16] I've heard is great concern to
[1:58:17] my district. I also think the
[1:58:20] idea of having a cap on how
[1:58:22] many we can do potentially any
[1:58:23] year would help with staff and
[1:58:24] impact and so that we're doing
[1:58:27] it slowly. I do not feel
[1:58:30] comfortable doing a blanket on
[1:58:30] sb 10. Something MAY be
[1:58:33] targeted areas and that can
[1:58:36] allow for higher density is
[1:58:38] something that I would be more
[1:58:40] interested in. I don't know
[1:58:41] that no further action would
[1:58:43] be something any of us really
[1:58:46] want to do because we know the
[1:58:47] high need for housing Santa
[1:58:47] Rosa and Sonoma County,
[1:58:51] specifically. So I'm I'm not
[1:58:51] sure I want to do that, but I
[1:58:53] also want to make sure that
[1:58:54] we're able to complete the
[1:58:56] projects that we have in
[1:58:57] place. Now. And that's top
[1:58:58] isn't deterred because now we
[1:59:01] have a and new shiny object
[1:59:03] that might work. And we tend
[1:59:04] to want to do that where we
[1:59:06] want to put everything in this
[1:59:07] bucket of. We can fix it all.
[1:59:10] And so I want to be mindful of
[1:59:11] what we're currently doing and
[1:59:14] not overload our staff. So I
[1:59:15] would be interested in seeing
[1:59:17] almost like a Pilate of
[1:59:19] something coming back on a
[1:59:20] targeted. I don't know if
[1:59:20] that's allowed under sb 10
[1:59:24] where we are very specific
[1:59:25] about where we want to do this
[1:59:26] to start and see the
[1:59:27] implications of that as we try
[1:59:31] roll it out. Thank you. Vice
[1:59:35] Mayor, thank you.
[1:59:36] >> I think for me, I'm
[1:59:41] definitely not in favor of no
[1:59:42] guardrails blanket application
[1:59:48] of sb 10. I. I lean towards no
[1:59:50] further action for the simple
[1:59:52] idea of staff. The staff lift
[1:59:53] this would take and then staff
[1:59:55] capacity amongst other things.
[1:59:59] >> However, I could be
[2:00:01] persuaded to. I think it was
[2:00:02] Councilmember Fleming
[2:00:02] mentioned bring it back at a
[2:00:04] later date for a little bit
[2:00:09] more what's a idea to give
[2:00:11] staff more time to
[2:00:12] Councilmember MacDonald point
[2:00:13] to accomplish the things that
[2:00:14] we already have in the in, you
[2:00:18] know, in the hopper I agree
[2:00:19] with the design standard. I
[2:00:22] agree with targeted areas. I I
[2:00:23] could agree with those down
[2:00:26] the line. But I think my
[2:00:27] biggest concern, right? You
[2:00:32] know, so I lean more more
[2:00:32] conservative to I don't know
[2:00:33] if this is making any sense
[2:00:34] like guys were doing like
[2:00:37] mixtures of but a more
[2:00:39] conservative, too. But down
[2:00:41] the line, one staff has
[2:00:43] capacity to implement it
[2:00:50] presumably before the Sunset.
[2:00:51] Thank you. And I think I'm I'm
[2:00:53] the mix of my colleagues here.
[2:00:55] Something that targeted in
[2:00:56] implementation fear.
[2:00:57] >> No one here wants to take
[2:00:58] no action. We want to have
[2:01:02] read every tool that we can,
[2:01:03] but we want to make sure that
[2:01:05] that this tool doesn't disrupt
[2:01:06] some of the other other
[2:01:07] policies that we already have
[2:01:08] in place just made a public
[2:01:10] projects that we have in
[2:01:13] place. Then elephant room that
[2:01:14] we danced around that number
[2:01:15] number of can start tonight.
[2:01:17] Was that the financing
[2:01:18] environment right now? I mean,
[2:01:20] there's a reason why with our
[2:01:21] missing middle ordinance
[2:01:22] changes, we haven't seen a lot
[2:01:23] of development even with some
[2:01:25] of the eu's, even with some of
[2:01:26] our general development. It is
[2:01:28] a tough financing environment
[2:01:29] out there right now. And
[2:01:32] that's likely continue. So we
[2:01:33] have a little bit of space
[2:01:35] where no matter what policy we
[2:01:35] implement, we're probably not
[2:01:38] going to see a lot of new
[2:01:39] development in very near
[2:01:40] future. And so taking the time
[2:01:43] to do this right, the fact
[2:01:44] that other cities across the
[2:01:46] state have not implemented
[2:01:47] this or thought about
[2:01:48] implementing it and then shied
[2:01:50] away from it. It does show
[2:01:51] that there's an opportunity
[2:01:52] for us here to take advantage
[2:01:54] of this. But to do it right.
[2:01:57] And in a way when it doesn't
[2:01:57] disrupt the work flows that
[2:02:01] already progress. So I think
[2:02:01] that's in line with what I've
[2:02:03] heard from rest of my
[2:02:04] colleagues that, yes, we're
[2:02:05] absolutely interested in going
[2:02:07] forward. This. It sounds like
[2:02:10] there might be a spot away
[2:02:11] arrive a time frame. We can
[2:02:13] plug this into in 2027 in a
[2:02:14] way that doesn't disrupt
[2:02:16] existing high priority
[2:02:17] projects. I'm certainly in
[2:02:21] favor of seeing that with
[2:02:24] careful attention the the
[2:02:25] planning ordinances, the
[2:02:29] requirements to go into sb 10
[2:02:30] to make sure that does a lot
[2:02:31] of good things for the city
[2:02:32] doesn't doesn't create
[2:02:36] unexpected problems. And with
[2:02:39] that with what you done. A lot
[2:02:41] of work already owns entire
[2:02:42] team on this. What are their
[2:02:42] what their clarification can
[2:02:47] we offer?
[2:02:49] >> Thank you, mayor. That
[2:02:50] feedback is incredibly
[2:02:51] helpful. So really what I'm
[2:02:52] hearing is the consensus of a
[2:02:55] very targeted approach that
[2:02:59] factors in affordability and
[2:03:00] factors and the environmental
[2:03:01] hazard areas. And looking at
[2:03:02] that as potentially the
[2:03:05] parameters, what would be
[2:03:06] helpful, obviously, as this
[2:03:08] moves forward, we will honor
[2:03:09] existing priorities. There
[2:03:10] will be other touch points
[2:03:11] with the council to get
[2:03:13] feedback on these pieces. But
[2:03:16] what would be helpful is sb 10
[2:03:18] can allow 10 units or less if
[2:03:20] we want staff to move forward
[2:03:21] with focusing on 10 units or
[2:03:22] looking at last, that would be
[2:03:25] helpful. And if there's any
[2:03:26] other targeted approach where
[2:03:28] we want to remove specific
[2:03:29] areas, shrinking down the
[2:03:30] boundary, that is the maps
[2:03:34] that we showed earlier would
[2:03:35] help immensely if there's
[2:03:36] other any other concepts and
[2:03:38] those can be simply focus on
[2:03:40] transit corridors. They can be
[2:03:41] areas where this density
[2:03:43] really makes more sense to the
[2:03:45] council and that will help us
[2:03:47] better understand the level of
[2:03:48] effort that goes into this.
[2:03:49] I'm also hearing that
[2:03:50] objective design standards are
[2:03:51] needed so that will help.
[2:03:52] Those will be sb 10 specific
[2:03:56] objective design standards.
[2:03:57] The department is moving
[2:03:58] forward with that exercise
[2:03:58] anyway. So that will be a tag
[2:04:02] on to that. But any more
[2:04:03] information about those
[2:04:05] restrictions that help us form
[2:04:06] the sub so we can bring it
[2:04:08] back is a more robust package
[2:04:09] where the council can provide
[2:04:09] more feedback prior to
[2:04:11] adoption would be helpful.
[2:04:17] Thoughts from the group.
[2:04:19] >> Obviously, I always have
[2:04:20] concerns about fire impacted
[2:04:21] areas and abilities to
[2:04:23] evacuate. When there's further
[2:04:27] density it's coming from a
[2:04:27] community that has exactly 3
[2:04:31] ways to get out for around
[2:04:32] 1700 homes, that something
[2:04:33] that is always front of mind.
[2:04:36] So I think taking that into a
[2:04:37] cow is areas that MAY not be
[2:04:40] the best. I think obviously we
[2:04:42] do have our downtown
[2:04:44] stationary plans that
[2:04:45] stationary plans would be, you
[2:04:48] know, ideal areas to focus on
[2:04:48] preliminarily because that's
[2:04:49] where we've already decided.
[2:04:50] We want density in are doing
[2:04:52] whatever we can so I think
[2:04:54] those areas would be some of
[2:04:57] the first to look at. I know
[2:05:01] we're talking about fraud.
[2:05:03] Geographic areas. But, you
[2:05:04] know, that's kind of those are
[2:05:08] kind of my thoughts. And you
[2:05:08] know, that's that's targeted
[2:05:09] areas or target areas to focus
[2:05:10] on targeted areas to not focus
[2:05:21] on. Yeah, I think. The that we
[2:05:22] concept is important but also
[2:05:23] areas that have been firing
[2:05:25] back to before could be fired
[2:05:27] impacted. I mean, just because
[2:05:28] somebody is it in the just get
[2:05:29] something across the street
[2:05:30] from the we doesn't mean that
[2:05:31] it's gonna make it any easier
[2:05:31] for them evacuate or be safe
[2:05:33] during a wildfire or some
[2:05:35] other sort of incident. As
[2:05:41] Rodgers.
[2:05:41] >> Implementation not being
[2:05:42] able to go back. Quick
[2:05:48] question. If we targeted like
[2:05:51] downtown. Are we able to fix?
[2:05:51] >> Bandit moving forward. I
[2:05:54] know we can take it back once
[2:05:56] we implement it. But can we?
[2:05:59] And it's so can we say? This
[2:06:01] is where we want to focus now.
[2:06:01] Okay. This is going great. Why
[2:06:05] don't we try to? Look at this
[2:06:06] area are look at this area.
[2:06:07] Are we stuck with what we
[2:06:13] initially? Thank you for the
[2:06:16] question. The rezoning.
[2:06:20] Without sequel review has to
[2:06:21] be adopted prior to that
[2:06:26] JANUARY 2029 sunset date. So
[2:06:26] option up until that point to
[2:06:31] expand. But then pass that we
[2:06:32] would have to go through that.
[2:06:33] The typical sequel review
[2:06:37] process to increase capacity.
[2:06:42] MR. Donald. So I'm in
[2:06:45] agreement council member
[2:06:46] Christie that.
[2:06:48] >> Areas that are near
[2:06:49] transit, build housing that in
[2:06:49] the downtown area. Those all
[2:06:53] make sense to me. I think
[2:06:55] there's also probably a way
[2:06:56] you can look at lot size and
[2:06:58] what would be allowable on the
[2:07:01] size of your lot because sb 10
[2:07:04] doesn't specify lot size and
[2:07:05] that could potentially help us
[2:07:07] It's an appropriate amount of
[2:07:10] housing based on lot size. And
[2:07:11] I would probably just look to
[2:07:12] your expertise of what would
[2:07:14] be appropriate based on some
[2:07:19] of areas and in our downtown
[2:07:20] are around in areas that make
[2:07:21] sense to do something like
[2:07:25] this I'm not as afraid of if
[2:07:28] it's actually working in
[2:07:28] jurisdictions start to do
[2:07:29] this. I'm not as afraid of the
[2:07:31] sunset debt deadline because I
[2:07:33] feel like the state would then
[2:07:35] say will keep doing this if
[2:07:37] it's working. So I'm not as
[2:07:38] worried about that cutoff line
[2:07:41] of us having to meet that 2029
[2:07:45] and more concerned about fire
[2:07:46] zones, flood zones and
[2:07:48] evacuation routes at that
[2:07:49] should all be part of your
[2:07:51] design standards, sort of the
[2:07:54] implementation and I think
[2:07:56] that pretty much covers it for
[2:07:58] me. As far as the willingness
[2:08:01] to move forward. Very targeted
[2:08:02] for me would be important. I
[2:08:02] think it's just for the
[2:08:07] safety. MRS.
[2:08:08] >> Game one when it comes to
[2:08:10] downtown Santa Rosa and the
[2:08:12] policy that we currently have
[2:08:13] place. How close are we to
[2:08:15] reaching the level of this sb
[2:08:21] 10?
[2:08:23] >> So in the downtown,
[2:08:25] depending on the lots and
[2:08:27] Jessica to chime in. If I MISS
[2:08:28] Categorize this is that in
[2:08:30] most scenarios the developers
[2:08:31] can achieve densities that are
[2:08:34] greater than the 10 units. So
[2:08:36] they the the ability the
[2:08:37] usefulness of sb 10 in that
[2:08:39] area because other options
[2:08:40] exist that allow developers to
[2:08:44] do more than what sb 10 allows
[2:08:44] wouldn't necessarily. We
[2:08:45] wouldn't necessarily see that
[2:08:46] is the most beneficial tool in
[2:08:50] the tool box. As far as the
[2:08:51] overall densities that are
[2:08:52] allowed under the downtown
[2:08:53] station area plan. So really,
[2:08:55] our density capture what we
[2:08:57] planned for. I don't have the
[2:08:59] total numbers on hand, but we
[2:09:00] have a significant number of
[2:09:00] units planned for that haven't
[2:09:03] generated downtown yet. And
[2:09:04] that really that exercise of
[2:09:06] understanding how we can build
[2:09:08] that capacity. So sb 10 can
[2:09:09] obviously grow towards that
[2:09:11] and it could be potentially a
[2:09:12] tool that individuals use, you
[2:09:14] know, especially if it has a
[2:09:16] streamlined process. But
[2:09:17] really where we see it being
[2:09:18] beneficial as where there
[2:09:19] isn't one tool box that can
[2:09:19] already get them to the 10
[2:09:21] units. So so with that being
[2:09:24] said,
[2:09:25] >> I would definitely see how
[2:09:26] it could be beneficial to
[2:09:27] downtown for those cite
[2:09:32] specific. Places where were
[2:09:33] issues are being had to reach
[2:09:35] at least the 10 number. But
[2:09:38] looking at that urban areas, I
[2:09:40] could see how. Development
[2:09:49] could be. Almost to spectrum
[2:09:49] because one thing close
[2:09:51] attentions, long term, the
[2:09:54] city of Santa Rosa's to infill
[2:09:56] and and seeing that that.
[2:09:59] >> That amount housing weather
[2:10:02] isn't that amount of
[2:10:03] infrastructure could
[2:10:03] definitely lead to loss of
[2:10:06] quality of life for Rosen's.
[2:10:08] So for me being that this is a
[2:10:12] tool. And it comes
[2:10:12] responsibility. Would
[2:10:15] definitely suppose on on
[2:10:18] transit areas. And really more
[2:10:19] towards the center. Santa
[2:10:22] Rosa. While protecting our
[2:10:24] outskirts and urban areas is
[2:10:25] how I see the that will be
[2:10:29] used in a and respectful way.
[2:10:34] Even further more, the Spurs
[2:10:35] spent of the permits or
[2:10:37] allowances for this to be use
[2:10:39] throughout the city of Santa
[2:10:41] Rosa. Historically southwest
[2:10:42] Rosa. Not not let some like
[2:10:44] the town crier, but a lot of
[2:10:46] the social issues have been
[2:10:47] pushed towards the west side
[2:10:48] of Santa Rosa and I want and
[2:10:51] how we can disperse that. And
[2:10:52] to the entire city of Santa
[2:10:55] Rosa and again. Having already
[2:10:57] participate in the growth, the
[2:11:06] future growth of senators.
[2:11:06] Thank you. Other thoughts from
[2:11:09] council now on. One least one
[2:11:11] clarifying question for me
[2:11:13] with all the work that that
[2:11:14] your team did on the missing
[2:11:16] middle housing or we had to
[2:11:16] get where you had to go
[2:11:18] through and identify areas of
[2:11:19] the city, current residential
[2:11:21] areas that might.
[2:11:22] >> Benefit from or at least
[2:11:24] allow significant additional
[2:11:26] density has that does that
[2:11:27] give you a sense of where the
[2:11:30] areas of opportunity might
[2:11:31] We've named some of the
[2:11:31] obvious ones here in terms of
[2:11:32] transit corridors, downtown
[2:11:35] station, cetera. But is there
[2:11:36] a sense from the work that
[2:11:38] we've done with our housing
[2:11:40] policies here in the recent
[2:11:42] past. Are there areas
[2:11:43] opportunity that might make
[2:11:49] sense for sb 10?
[2:11:51] >> Yes, I think there are good
[2:11:54] models when looking at missing
[2:11:56] or we can fall back on basic
[2:11:57] planning procedures and
[2:11:57] protocols for identifying
[2:12:00] where density goes in really
[2:12:01] missing. Middle looks at a
[2:12:03] very strategic approach of how
[2:12:04] from an equity standpoint,
[2:12:06] diverse and diversify through
[2:12:06] multiple neighborhoods. So how
[2:12:09] do you incorporate that in?
[2:12:10] And as many of the points made
[2:12:11] many of the missing middle
[2:12:13] housing that we have now is
[2:12:14] just organically developed
[2:12:15] over many years with really
[2:12:18] not much planning going in and
[2:12:19] trying to force that into an
[2:12:20] area where it hasn't grown
[2:12:21] that way over the last few
[2:12:22] years can be a little
[2:12:25] problematic but I do think
[2:12:26] that there are some learning
[2:12:27] lessons there and we can use
[2:12:28] that as feedback on guidance
[2:12:30] on how we would form sb 10
[2:12:33] proposal. I'm certainly open
[2:12:34] to staff feedback on in
[2:12:35] addition to the areas that
[2:12:36] we've named other areas in the
[2:12:37] city that would be that would
[2:12:39] make good candidates based on
[2:12:39] the significant expiration.
[2:12:41] That city's already down.
[2:12:42] >> Other thoughts from
[2:12:48] council. All right. Well, of
[2:12:50] any in any additional
[2:12:51] clarification what is there,
[2:12:51] any additional clarification
[2:12:52] will be helpful from your
[2:12:55] sign?
[2:12:56] >> I know, mayor, I think that
[2:12:58] is hopeful. We will explore 10
[2:12:59] units as the number we will
[2:13:02] explore cap options. It is
[2:13:02] very helpful to get some
[2:13:04] feedback on the area. We will
[2:13:08] use that piece that together
[2:13:09] under the existing priorities.
[2:13:11] As I mentioned, we do have
[2:13:12] potentially a gap come summer.
[2:13:14] So we'll start putting this on
[2:13:16] program. And as I mentioned,
[2:13:18] this likely is bringing it
[2:13:19] back to council for further
[2:13:20] guidance as staff can farm up
[2:13:21] in more detail recommendation
[2:13:22] of how this would roll out.
[2:13:24] Excellent. Thank you. MRS.
[2:13:26] Yes, thank you for allowing me
[2:13:26] question. Going back to the
[2:13:29] issue of affordability. And I
[2:13:32] understand that there be
[2:13:32] incentives.
[2:13:34] >> To assure that developers
[2:13:36] produce affordable housing.
[2:13:37] But is there anything less
[2:13:44] legally by I will defer to our
[2:13:48] city attorney on that.
[2:13:49] >> Thank I mean, the law
[2:13:52] itself doesn't mandate any low
[2:13:53] income restrictions, but we as
[2:13:56] a local jurisdiction, could
[2:13:58] choose to attach our own
[2:13:59] inclusionary zoning or other
[2:14:00] affordability requirements.
[2:14:04] When we come back with this.
[2:14:07] Housing So yes, we can.
[2:14:08] >> I will know to see being
[2:14:10] exercised in the development
[2:14:11] of any housing really in the
[2:14:16] city of senators.
[2:14:18] >> Thank Final final question
[2:14:19] from the days before we let
[2:14:23] you go. If we move as we move
[2:14:24] forward with looking adopt
[2:14:25] with looking at this
[2:14:26] additional ordinance, where
[2:14:28] does this put us in terms of
[2:14:31] California cities in terms of
[2:14:32] aggressiveness of housing
[2:14:38] policies?
[2:14:40] >> That's a great question. We
[2:14:40] are currently in the process
[2:14:43] of working on our per housing
[2:14:45] application to the state. As
[2:14:46] we proceed with that, I think
[2:14:50] we we are still I'm one of the
[2:14:51] top jurisdictions in moving
[2:14:52] forward with housing
[2:14:55] initiatives, but we can bring
[2:14:58] a more informed information on
[2:14:58] that. Once we've got housing
[2:14:59] designation, application form
[2:15:02] lies with the state.
[2:15:03] >> very diplomatic answer. Is
[2:15:05] it? Is it fair to say that we
[2:15:08] are among the very top tier of
[2:15:09] how of jurisdictions in the
[2:15:10] state with respect to how many
[2:15:11] how many policies we put into
[2:15:15] place to encourage housing.
[2:15:16] >> Based on my conversations
[2:15:17] with other jurisdictions, that
[2:15:19] is a fair statement. All
[2:15:19] right. We'll come back with a
[2:15:20] hard number. Again, for that
[2:15:21] for the members of the public
[2:15:22] who are here listening are for
[2:15:24] words for those online.
[2:15:25] >> We do underline how much
[2:15:26] how much the city of Santa
[2:15:27] Rosa has done has missed close
[2:15:30] indicated since 2019 and how
[2:15:33] we are. We are leading the way
[2:15:35] to my was MR. Stanley's point
[2:15:38] it in terms of looking at this
[2:15:39] ordinance we are bringing
[2:15:39] we're putting every tool can
[2:15:41] door to a box. Thank you all.
[2:15:46] >> All right. With we will
[2:15:49] move on to our very are are
[2:15:49] very patient community members
[2:15:53] who are here to celebrate
[2:15:53] their our family Court
[2:15:54] awareness Month. So we're
[2:15:57] gonna jump ahead to item 7.1.
[2:15:58] >> this is a proclamation in
[2:15:59] honor of Family Court
[2:16:01] awareness Month and I'm going
[2:16:01] to turn it over to Ms Rogers
[2:16:11] to read the proclamation.
[2:16:12] >> Whereas the Mission of
[2:16:14] Family Court Awareness Month
[2:16:15] is to highlight the need to
[2:16:17] prioritize child safety in
[2:16:20] family court. And whereas an
[2:16:22] estimated 58 1000 children in
[2:16:24] the United States ordered into
[2:16:26] unsupervised contact with
[2:16:27] abusive parents each year
[2:16:30] resulting in nearly 1000
[2:16:31] children murder during these
[2:16:35] visitations since 2008. And
[2:16:35] whereas the mission of Family
[2:16:41] Court awareness Month and in
[2:16:42] is to promote judicial
[2:16:43] education that would include
[2:16:46] training in domestic violence,
[2:16:50] child abuse, childhood trauma,
[2:16:52] coercive control imposed
[2:16:53] separation abuse for all
[2:16:54] professionals involved in
[2:16:57] family court cases. And
[2:16:59] whereas Family Court Awareness
[2:17:02] Month aims to inspire
[2:17:03] collaboration among
[2:17:04] legislators, advocates
[2:17:05] professionals in the community
[2:17:07] to improve family court
[2:17:09] practice ensuring they are
[2:17:12] guided by evidence based
[2:17:12] research prioritize the safety
[2:17:13] and best interest of our
[2:17:16] children. Now, therefore, MAY
[2:17:20] be resolved. That marks tapped
[2:17:22] the mayor of the city of Santa
[2:17:25] Rosa on behalf of the entire
[2:17:26] center the City Council in
[2:17:27] recognition of our community
[2:17:30] do hereby proclaim NOVEMBER
[2:17:31] 2026. To be Family Court
[2:17:40] awareness month.
[2:17:41] >> Thank you very much. And do
[2:17:41] we have Emily stuff? Learn
[2:17:48] County Rodriguez here. We by
[2:17:49] no means a few words yet
[2:17:50] coming down from grab one of
[2:17:51] those microphones that works,
[2:17:52] that works. Come on. Come on
[2:17:55] down. Thank you for coming out
[2:18:00] tonight. Thank thank you. Dean
[2:18:12] of returning on the mic.
[2:18:13] >> Good evening and thank you
[2:18:14] to the center of City Council
[2:18:15] for recognizing NOVEMBER is
[2:18:17] Family Court awareness month.
[2:18:19] My name is Emily Stepler and
[2:18:19] I'm a domestic violence
[2:18:20] survivor and advocate for
[2:18:23] family court reform. Family
[2:18:24] Court Awareness Month was
[2:18:26] created in 2020 by teen U.S.
[2:18:28] Women, founder of one mom's
[2:18:30] battle. The goal of Family
[2:18:30] Court Awareness Month is to
[2:18:32] shine a spotlight on systemic
[2:18:32] issues that are placing
[2:18:36] children in harm's way
[2:18:36] following domestic violence
[2:18:37] awareness Month in OCTOBER,
[2:18:38] many survivors and up in
[2:18:40] family court. It's also where
[2:18:42] too many children are placed
[2:18:43] back into unsafe situations
[2:18:44] due to a lack of understanding
[2:18:47] about abuse, trauma and
[2:18:48] coercive control. Reality that
[2:18:48] far too many families face and
[2:18:52] silence. For the past 7 years
[2:18:53] I've been navigating what is
[2:18:54] considered a high conflict
[2:18:55] family court case while trying
[2:18:58] to protect my children. Family
[2:18:59] court professionals often
[2:19:02] misinterpret course of course,
[2:19:03] of control you to a conflict
[2:19:05] between parents overlook
[2:19:06] patterns of abuse and
[2:19:07] mistakenly characterize
[2:19:08] protective parents response as
[2:19:10] hostility or an unwillingness
[2:19:12] to co-parent over the years
[2:19:13] I've been court ordered to
[2:19:13] attend co-parenting therapy
[2:19:16] with my abuser on multiple
[2:19:17] occasions. Our first
[2:19:18] experience was in 2020 at the
[2:19:20] time. My abuser had only
[2:19:22] recently been granted
[2:19:23] unsupervised visitation and
[2:19:25] was also under court orders to
[2:19:26] attend individual therapy and
[2:19:26] submit to regular hair
[2:19:30] follicle drug testing. Despite
[2:19:30] the circumstances are
[2:19:31] co-parenting therapist began
[2:19:32] our very first session by
[2:19:34] instructing us to develop
[2:19:34] parenting plan based on a
[2:19:37] fifty-fifty custody
[2:19:38] arrangement and have it ready
[2:19:40] our next appointment. I
[2:19:41] remember feeling completely
[2:19:42] overwhelmed. I had spent so
[2:19:44] much time raising concerns
[2:19:45] about my children's safety,
[2:19:45] their father's abusive
[2:19:47] behavior and his mental
[2:19:49] health. Yeah, I was now being
[2:19:51] asked asked to approach our
[2:19:52] situation is that we were to
[2:19:52] equally capable. Parents
[2:19:53] simply struggling to get
[2:19:55] along. I was deeply
[2:19:57] uncomfortable with the
[2:19:58] assigned assignment, but I was
[2:19:59] also afraid to question it
[2:19:59] would make me appear and
[2:20:00] cooperate in the eyes of the
[2:20:02] court. A few years later, we
[2:20:03] were ordered to attend
[2:20:06] co-parenting therapy again, I
[2:20:07] went into the experience,
[2:20:07] hopeful that this new
[2:20:08] therapist would recognize the
[2:20:10] dynamics of our situation and
[2:20:11] understand that what we were
[2:20:12] dealing with was not simply
[2:20:13] communication problem between
[2:20:15] 2 parents. Unfortunately, that
[2:20:19] wasn't the case. During our
[2:20:20] sessions maybe use are engaged
[2:20:21] and verbally abusive behavior
[2:20:21] at the therapist did not
[2:20:23] report these incidents to the
[2:20:25] court. Our time with this
[2:20:25] therapist was ultimately
[2:20:27] short-lived as maybe users
[2:20:28] stopped paying his portion of
[2:20:29] the sessions and began sending
[2:20:29] threatening messages directly
[2:20:32] to the therapist at that point
[2:20:33] that their cause became
[2:20:35] fearful for their own safety
[2:20:35] and wanted nothing further to
[2:20:36] do with our case and refused
[2:20:37] to report any of what had
[2:20:40] occurred to the court. What I
[2:20:41] found particularly concerning
[2:20:43] was that as professional who
[2:20:44] had personally experienced the
[2:20:45] threatening behavior that I
[2:20:46] have been describing for years
[2:20:47] was now unwilling to bring
[2:20:48] that information to the
[2:20:51] courts. Attention. This
[2:20:52] behavior was not an isolated
[2:20:55] incident. Over the Bees or
[2:20:58] threatening and intimidating
[2:20:59] extended to attorneys court
[2:20:59] and bailiffs and even judges
[2:21:01] involved in our case. I can't
[2:21:02] help but feel that it was it
[2:21:04] wasn't until his abusive
[2:21:04] behavior began affecting very
[2:21:05] professionals involved in our
[2:21:08] case. That what I had been
[2:21:09] experiencing reporting for
[2:21:09] your starting started to be
[2:21:13] taken seriously. Co-parenting
[2:21:14] therapy and family court
[2:21:17] cannot resolve dynamic.
[2:21:18] Dynamic rooted in
[2:21:19] intimidation, fear and control
[2:21:19] simply by asking both parents
[2:21:22] to communicate better when
[2:21:24] there's an ongoing pattern of
[2:21:25] abuse treating both parties as
[2:21:25] equally responsible for the
[2:21:28] conflict or it risks
[2:21:28] perpetuating the very harm.
[2:21:29] The court is supposed to
[2:21:32] prevent. For survivors of
[2:21:33] domestic violence. The
[2:21:34] courtroom can become another
[2:21:35] place where abuse continues
[2:21:36] long after the relationship
[2:21:39] ended. This is why recognizing
[2:21:40] post separation abuse,
[2:21:41] including the potential misuse
[2:21:43] of legal proceedings as a
[2:21:44] means of maintaining control
[2:21:46] is so critically important.
[2:21:47] This proclamation is more than
[2:21:50] symbolic its a step toward
[2:21:51] awareness, accountability and
[2:21:52] change. It shines a light on
[2:21:54] the urgent need to prioritize
[2:21:54] child safety in every
[2:21:55] courtroom. In every decision.
[2:22:00] Every time. Thank you.
[2:22:01] Mustipher. Thank you for being
[2:22:02] willing share your story. And
[2:22:06] is it MISS Rodriguez? Thanks
[2:22:06] him.
[2:22:07] >> so. Welcome. Did you? Did
[2:22:09] you have a statement Did
[2:22:09] please, by all means will turn
[2:22:15] will turn the mic Thank you.
[2:22:18] Good evening. My name is Kanye
[2:22:18] Rodriguez.
[2:22:19] >> And I'm here today as the
[2:22:20] Sonoma County mother who
[2:22:21] endured a fearful experience
[2:22:21] no parent should ever have to
[2:22:28] face. On 6/18/2017, I called
[2:22:28] law enforcement agencies
[2:22:29] searching for my daughter,
[2:22:30] Julianna. In mice and to link
[2:22:34] a mayor. Who had not been
[2:22:35] returned to me after spending
[2:22:35] Father's Day with their
[2:22:38] father. The following morning
[2:22:41] on JUNE 19th police officers
[2:22:42] and for me that my daughter
[2:22:43] and son had been murdered by
[2:22:44] their father before he took
[2:22:47] his own life in his apartment.
[2:22:50] During our custody mediation.
[2:22:51] I spoke about harassment and
[2:22:53] alcoholism that were occurring
[2:22:54] and I checked the box
[2:22:59] indicating domestic violence.
[2:23:00] No translator was requested or
[2:23:03] needed during our mediation.
[2:23:04] Just days before the tragedy,
[2:23:06] I stood before a judge at my
[2:23:07] first and only court
[2:23:10] appearance. A temporary child
[2:23:12] custody order was being put
[2:23:13] into place? Well, I raise my
[2:23:16] voice. Stating I wasn't
[2:23:18] leaving the courtroom without
[2:23:20] something in writing to
[2:23:20] protect myself and my children
[2:23:21] for my strange husband's
[2:23:24] erratic behavior. He stood
[2:23:26] next to requested a translator
[2:23:26] which the court could not
[2:23:30] provide that day. As a result,
[2:23:33] my concerns are left unheard
[2:23:34] until are postponed. Hearing
[2:23:38] the following month. I was in
[2:23:39] an emotionally abusive
[2:23:41] marriage for nearly 8 years. I
[2:23:43] felt bound to stay out of
[2:23:44] fear. What might transpire if
[2:23:47] I finally there to leave. Post
[2:23:48] separation abuses and spoken
[2:23:52] about enough. For many
[2:23:52] survivors. That abuse doesn't
[2:23:53] end when the relationship
[2:23:57] does. It often escalates. Not
[2:24:00] only in my experience, but in
[2:24:01] the countless experiences of
[2:24:04] those in this room and beyond.
[2:24:05] Voices often struggle to be
[2:24:08] heard when there is no
[2:24:09] accountability for false
[2:24:10] statements used to gain
[2:24:10] control within the family
[2:24:14] court system. I hope for
[2:24:15] Family Court Awareness Month
[2:24:17] is that it gives everyone a
[2:24:18] safe platform to be heard
[2:24:22] regardless of gender. That it
[2:24:23] raises awareness for the many
[2:24:25] forms of domestic abuse shared
[2:24:29] by stories. That acknowledges
[2:24:29] the need for meaningful
[2:24:34] reform. Most importantly that
[2:24:35] we can unite in collaboration
[2:24:36] to prioritize the safety of
[2:24:41] innocent children. No amount
[2:24:43] of words can begin to convey
[2:24:44] the heartbreak and Boyd that
[2:24:48] remain within me. We cannot
[2:24:48] change what happened to my
[2:24:52] children. But we can work
[2:24:52] together to help change what
[2:24:56] happens to other families. My
[2:24:57] voice is that of a parent
[2:25:02] silence by abuse. Thank you.
[2:25:07] >> Thank you as well. We are.
[2:25:08] We want want to bring you down
[2:25:09] and take take a photo here in
[2:25:10] front. Thank you again, so
[2:25:13] much for coming out tonight.
[2:25:15] First opened up to the public.
[2:25:15] Are there any are there any
[2:25:16] members of public hearing
[2:25:17] Council chambers that wish to
[2:25:22] make a comment? Go online?
[2:25:23] Lord, is there anybody online
[2:25:24] her hand raised anyone who's
[2:25:24] down? Start on.
[2:25:28] >> That's a negative mayor.
[2:25:29] Thank you very much. Alright
[2:25:30] county. Emily, if you would,
[2:25:30] you would you come up with a
[2:25:44] take a photo.
[2:27:20] County. Thank
[2:27:27] you. Once again. We are going
[2:27:34] to go on. 2 pilots were
[2:27:34] anywhere are statements
[2:27:35] abstention or before we get
[2:27:36] they the heart of our program
[2:27:38] this evening. Are there any
[2:27:38] statements of station are
[2:27:41] choosing this evening? Seeing
[2:27:45] none. For to go to our first.
[2:27:47] Public comment non agenda
[2:27:49] matters. So this is the chance
[2:27:50] for members of the public to
[2:27:51] make comment on items not
[2:27:54] listed on the agenda. Are
[2:27:55] there any members of the
[2:27:56] public hearing Council
[2:27:57] chambers who wish to make any
[2:27:58] comment on items not list on
[2:28:01] our agenda. Seeing none. We'll
[2:28:04] go online. Warren, is there
[2:28:05] anybody online with her hand
[2:28:06] raised or there's anyone out
[2:28:07] star 9?
[2:28:08] >> They are not interested in
[2:28:10] this item here. Thank you.
[2:28:13] Thank you, Lauren.
[2:28:15] >> All right. We're going to
[2:28:17] do then why I we know that
[2:28:18] we're we have a lot of
[2:28:19] interest in or immigration
[2:28:21] enforcement item. Want to get
[2:28:21] to our public hearing first
[2:28:23] and never really diversion
[2:28:24] force meant. So let's move to
[2:28:27] item 16.1. Our public hearing
[2:28:29] related to the 2020 takes 2026
[2:28:30] a county multi-jurisdictional
[2:28:31] hazard mitigation plan and
[2:28:35] city of Santa Rosa and acts.
[2:28:37] And I believe it's MISS
[2:28:38] Nicholson is back on the hot
[2:28:42] seat. MR. Bregman. Welcome to
[2:28:57] you both.
[2:29:04] >> Good evening, mayor and
[2:29:05] council members. We are here
[2:29:08] today to present the 2026
[2:29:09] Sonoma County
[2:29:11] multi-jurisdictional Hazard
[2:29:13] mitigation plan, which is a
[2:29:13] mouthful, any very large
[2:29:14] acronym is well, we try and
[2:29:17] keep those as big as possible.
[2:29:17] Has the emergency preparedness
[2:29:20] manager for the city. I wanted
[2:29:21] to just give you my
[2:29:22] perspective on why this is a
[2:29:25] very important plan. This plan
[2:29:27] helps us answer 2 questions.
[2:29:28] Where is Santa Rosa most
[2:29:31] vulnerable? And what can we do
[2:29:33] now to reduce harm from future
[2:29:38] disasters? 22 jurisdictions
[2:29:39] and partner agencies from
[2:29:41] Sonoma County help develop the
[2:29:42] plant plenty together. A list
[2:29:46] polar expertise. Compare
[2:29:47] priorities and decide what's
[2:29:49] makes sense as far sharing
[2:29:52] work disasters do not care
[2:29:53] about jurisdictional lines and
[2:29:55] many times we will need to
[2:29:56] work with our partners on
[2:30:00] mitigation projects. The plan
[2:30:02] also allowed us to collaborate
[2:30:04] not just on hazard mitigation,
[2:30:06] but many other things with 22
[2:30:08] jurisdictions. It allows yet
[2:30:09] another opportunity to work
[2:30:10] with our colleagues and think
[2:30:12] about what is necessary to
[2:30:14] reduce risk for Santa Rosa
[2:30:14] residents, citizens and
[2:30:20] visitors. Santa Rosa help
[2:30:20] develop this plan with the
[2:30:21] county right process that
[2:30:23] included 10 meetings where the
[2:30:27] public can weigh in. We hosted
[2:30:27] the county and our regional
[2:30:29] partners at Family Center help
[2:30:32] convene a regional online
[2:30:33] session and took part in the
[2:30:34] Hazard Mitigation, working
[2:30:37] group. The County Wide Survey
[2:30:38] which was open from OCTOBER
[2:30:40] through NOVEMBER of last year,
[2:30:43] got 580 responses. And we've
[2:30:44] tried to address every single
[2:30:47] one of those. Over the next 5
[2:30:48] years will use the plan to
[2:30:50] decide which projects we
[2:30:51] should develop. What we can
[2:30:52] invest in and how to track
[2:30:56] progress. Council's adoption
[2:30:56] also helps us with something
[2:30:59] very significant. Important.
[2:31:00] Fema requires this plan's
[2:31:01] adoption in order to get any
[2:31:04] hazard mitigation grant along
[2:31:05] with many other federal grant.
[2:31:07] It is a rough first
[2:31:07] requirement at the top of
[2:31:08] their box of things that have
[2:31:14] to be checked. So with that. I
[2:31:14] emphasize that this is a
[2:31:15] important plan, but it is a
[2:31:17] mitigation, forward-looking
[2:31:19] plan that has many projects
[2:31:19] that MAY not necessarily be
[2:31:21] capable of being funded by the
[2:31:24] city. It's just everything
[2:31:25] that we think should be done.
[2:31:27] And with that for
[2:31:29] presentation, turn over to
[2:31:30] Amy. Thank you so much, Neil.
[2:31:33] And good afternoon, mayor and.
[2:31:34] >> Good evening, mayor and
[2:31:35] council members. A Munich
[2:31:41] Wilson. I'm gonna go through
[2:31:42] this presentation quickly
[2:31:43] were, of course happy to
[2:31:45] answer any questions that you
[2:31:46] might have. So as Neil
[2:31:48] described a hazard mitigation
[2:31:50] plan is a strategy for
[2:31:51] reducing impacts of natural
[2:31:55] disasters. It looks at the
[2:31:57] hazards that were most
[2:31:58] vulnerable to and identifies
[2:31:59] the city's existing
[2:32:01] capabilities to respond to
[2:32:03] those and actions that we can
[2:32:03] take to reduce risks in the
[2:32:07] future. As Neil mention, the
[2:32:09] plan also helps the city to
[2:32:10] qualify for additional fema
[2:32:11] grant funding, which is
[2:32:13] critical for many of our
[2:32:15] planned capital improvement
[2:32:16] projects to reduce impacts of
[2:32:20] hazards. The plan is comprised
[2:32:22] of 2 volumes. The first is
[2:32:25] just the county at large and
[2:32:27] all that we have in common is
[2:32:30] jurisdictions. The second
[2:32:30] volume includes an ex is
[2:32:32] specific to jurisdictions. The
[2:32:36] city of Santa Rosa Chapter 8.
[2:32:37] This plan is reviewed by fema
[2:32:41] and the California. Governor's
[2:32:42] Office of Emergency Services,
[2:32:43] which is the California
[2:32:49] Department. They have provided
[2:32:51] their technical review ahead
[2:32:52] of council's adoption. And the
[2:32:54] final step would be fema's
[2:32:56] final approval following
[2:33:01] council's action this evening.
[2:33:01] The Hazard Mitigation Plan has
[2:33:02] numerous goals that are shown
[2:33:06] here on the slide. First and
[2:33:08] foremost is protecting people
[2:33:09] and minimizing damages 2
[2:33:13] properties as well as our
[2:33:14] local economy and continuing
[2:33:17] to protect the environment
[2:33:17] through Our actions as
[2:33:24] possible. The Santa Rosa Annex
[2:33:26] does include a center is a
[2:33:30] specific hazard risk table.
[2:33:31] The highest risk hazards, as
[2:33:32] you MAY imagine. Earthquake
[2:33:37] and wildfire. And factors.
[2:33:38] Generating these high medium
[2:33:44] and low risks. Relate to. The
[2:33:46] number of people and buildings
[2:33:47] that are with in areas where
[2:33:49] these hazards are more likely
[2:33:51] the probability of those
[2:33:53] hazards occurring and then the
[2:33:53] existing mitigation
[2:33:54] capabilities that the city
[2:33:58] has. Climate change is also
[2:34:00] considered and this risk
[2:34:02] assessment as there are some
[2:34:03] hazards that are more likely
[2:34:03] to increase based on changes
[2:34:09] to our climate. Much of the
[2:34:13] city's jurisdictional annex is
[2:34:15] inclusive of our mitigation
[2:34:18] strategies. So there are 28
[2:34:19] actions that specifically
[2:34:22] address each of our hazard
[2:34:27] areas. As Neil mentioned. This
[2:34:29] is a document that really at
[2:34:31] references other items that
[2:34:32] the council the public are
[2:34:33] familiar with. So the
[2:34:34] greenhouse gas reduction
[2:34:36] strategy, the city's capital
[2:34:37] improvement program, the
[2:34:39] community wildfire protection
[2:34:42] program, each of those items
[2:34:43] work together and help to keep
[2:34:46] our community safer. And also
[2:34:48] help us to meet mutual goals
[2:34:50] at once by obtaining
[2:34:52] additional funding that's
[2:34:53] available from the federal
[2:34:57] government and the state. Just
[2:34:58] a quick note that there was
[2:35:00] some additional language added
[2:35:04] to this plan after the public
[2:35:06] review period. This was based
[2:35:06] on a request from the
[2:35:07] California Department of Parks
[2:35:11] that. Was eligible for some
[2:35:14] grant funding to do some
[2:35:16] repairs on a dam in an adult
[2:35:17] state park. We added this
[2:35:18] language so that they could
[2:35:20] get all that money. And so
[2:35:22] that highlights the importance
[2:35:23] of having this plan and having
[2:35:25] highlight any project that we
[2:35:29] think can reduce impacts of
[2:35:31] hazards. So we'll kind of a
[2:35:32] separate reference to that
[2:35:33] language in the resolution
[2:35:38] before you. As mentioned,
[2:35:40] there's public and stakeholder
[2:35:41] engagement throughout this
[2:35:44] process. So I want run through
[2:35:48] each one of those items. And
[2:35:50] with that, the fire department
[2:35:52] and planning and economic
[2:35:52] development department
[2:35:56] recommend that the council by
[2:35:58] resolution adopt the volume.
[2:35:59] Basic plan of the
[2:36:01] multi-jurisdictional hazard
[2:36:03] mitigation plan as well as
[2:36:04] volume 2, which consists of
[2:36:07] the jurisdictional annexes.
[2:36:07] And we are happy to answer any
[2:36:11] questions. All right. Thank
[2:36:12] you very much. Are there any
[2:36:15] questions from my colleagues?
[2:36:17] >> Seeing none. We will open
[2:36:21] the public hearing. And go to
[2:36:21] any public comment on this
[2:36:27] item. Seeing nobody moving in
[2:36:29] the chambers. We will go to
[2:36:29] zoom. Where is Let us know
[2:36:32] anybody wants to speak?
[2:36:32] >> Yes. If you'd like to speak
[2:36:33] on this item, please raise
[2:36:38] your hand. And I am seeing no
[2:36:38] one wishing to speak on this
[2:36:42] item.
[2:36:43] >> Alright, with that, I'll
[2:36:43] turn it back over to the
[2:36:53] mayor. Okay. So that will
[2:36:54] close the public hearing and
[2:36:54] bring it back for a final
[2:37:02] comments from council.
[2:37:03] >> Thanks for calling on me. I
[2:37:04] just want to say thank you for
[2:37:06] the presentation and all the
[2:37:07] work that went into outreach
[2:37:10] on this so that we're really
[2:37:12] hearing everything and that
[2:37:12] the opportunity for a grand
[2:37:13] Just want to thank you and
[2:37:14] commend you for your work on
[2:37:16] this more than anything. Thank
[2:37:17] you. Anything else from
[2:37:20] council?
[2:37:21] >> All right. Are looking for
[2:37:24] a motion from. Donald, stay
[2:37:28] with you.
[2:37:28] >> I move to adopt the
[2:37:29] resolution as presented by
[2:37:32] staff second. Motion and a
[2:37:35] second by MISTER Okrepkie.
[2:37:35] >> MADAM City Clerk, call
[2:37:41] whenever you're ready.
[2:37:46] >> Thank you, Mayor.
[2:37:47] Councilmember Rogers, I
[2:37:50] Councilmember MacDonald, my
[2:37:51] councilmember Fleming
[2:37:52] Councilmember Bungalows. Yes,
[2:37:53] Councilmember Alvarez, vice
[2:37:55] Mayor Crappie. I mayor step
[2:37:58] yes. But the record show this
[2:37:59] passes unanimously.
[2:38:00] >> Thank you very much. All
[2:38:01] right. Let's pop back up then
[2:38:05] to item 15.2, our report on
[2:38:08] the ordinance introduction for
[2:38:08] the ordinance entitled the
[2:38:09] Ordinance of the Council of
[2:38:11] the City of Santa Rosa.
[2:38:12] Amending chapter 13 Dash 40 of
[2:38:14] the center is a city code to
[2:38:15] prohibit the use of city
[2:38:16] property to collaborate with
[2:38:16] immigration authorities in the
[2:38:18] enforcement, a federal civil
[2:38:20] immigration law subject to the
[2:38:21] chapters, existing exceptions
[2:38:22] and resolution adopting
[2:38:23] Council policy regarding civil
[2:38:24] immigration enforcement and
[2:38:25] Immigration Authority, access
[2:38:26] to city facilities and
[2:38:32] information. All right. And
[2:38:32] thank you to all the members,
[2:38:35] the community who are again in
[2:38:37] council chambers. This has
[2:38:38] been a an important, an
[2:38:39] extended discussion here,
[2:38:39] going the entire county and
[2:38:44] certainly here in Santa Rosa.
[2:38:45] City manager, not I'll turn it
[2:38:47] over to or us or actually.
[2:38:47] City City Attorney Crocker,
[2:38:50] which weny's kicking us off. I
[2:38:51] bear. I'll go ahead and kick
[2:38:53] us off. Thank you very much.
[2:38:56] >> 4 entertaining this item
[2:38:57] this evening. As you
[2:38:58] mentioned, I'm Jason, not I'm
[2:39:00] the city manager, our interim
[2:39:02] city manager. I'm joined here
[2:39:04] at the table with City
[2:39:05] Attorney Ashley Crocker and
[2:39:06] Assistant City Attorney Jan
[2:39:11] help lure and unfortunately,
[2:39:13] our 4th colleague who is to be
[2:39:14] here today is out ill today,
[2:39:17] but we do Lindsay Dority for
[2:39:18] the work that she in trying to
[2:39:20] get this and bring it to this
[2:39:26] point. With that said, I want
[2:39:27] to I want to before I get too
[2:39:30] far into this. I just want to
[2:39:32] appreciation. There's been a
[2:39:34] lot of work being done in in
[2:39:36] this space over the course of
[2:39:36] the last couple of years. I
[2:39:41] think. City manager's office
[2:39:41] city attorneys office has
[2:39:43] spent quite a bit of time
[2:39:45] looking at various various
[2:39:47] resolutions and ordinances
[2:39:47] that we could incorporate to
[2:39:50] enhance and further improve
[2:39:51] protections that we can
[2:39:52] provide to the communities
[2:39:53] that we serve within the city
[2:39:58] of Santa Rosa. In doing so.
[2:40:00] We've had recent conversations
[2:40:00] with community members that
[2:40:03] have been incredibly helpful.
[2:40:04] And I really want to
[2:40:05] appreciate the sanctuary
[2:40:07] coalition, honestly, but at a
[2:40:09] North Bay organizing project
[2:40:12] for spending time folks,
[2:40:15] folks, as we we work through a
[2:40:16] couple of weeks ago, we got to
[2:40:17] keep it quiet. So we keep the
[2:40:18] meeting going. So if you don't
[2:40:20] mind you, the dew jazz hands,
[2:40:21] but no, no applause, no
[2:40:21] snapping fingers and Cetera.
[2:40:22] Thank you. Thank you for
[2:40:23] coming.
[2:40:25] >> manager, not back to you.
[2:40:26] Thank you. And I want to also
[2:40:30] say a North Bay organizing
[2:40:31] project working closely over
[2:40:34] the last 2 weeks as we got
[2:40:35] further direction from council
[2:40:36] to proceed in and get a little
[2:40:37] bit of additional feedback on
[2:40:39] things. Council was looking
[2:40:40] for working with these
[2:40:43] organizations, gave us a
[2:40:44] little bit. Well, actually
[2:40:46] gave us a substantial amount
[2:40:48] of additional insight as to
[2:40:50] what requests what concerns
[2:40:51] and what options we might be
[2:40:55] able to put in place that
[2:40:56] ultimately resulted in the
[2:40:57] actions that we're bringing
[2:40:58] that we're bringing to you
[2:41:01] today. With that there will be
[2:41:05] 2 actions that we're looking
[2:41:05] talking through with council
[2:41:09] and hoping for approvals. The
[2:41:12] first is to implement a policy
[2:41:13] guidance for city staff
[2:41:16] through the course of adopting
[2:41:20] a resolution as As we've
[2:41:22] discussed previously,
[2:41:23] resolutions are typically a
[2:41:24] mechanism in a methodology for
[2:41:26] which with which the council
[2:41:29] creates Council oriented
[2:41:30] policies. Those policies
[2:41:31] affecting them are implemented
[2:41:34] too manage and address House
[2:41:35] staff incorporate certain
[2:41:36] practices into their daily
[2:41:40] work and consistent with the
[2:41:41] attorney general's guidelines
[2:41:45] as well as sb 580, resolution
[2:41:46] and associated Policy does
[2:41:47] exactly that is intended to
[2:41:51] helped guide staff in relation
[2:41:54] to how interact with and how
[2:41:55] we respond to a request made
[2:41:57] by immigration. Authorities.
[2:42:00] The second will be a non
[2:42:01] collaboration ordinance and
[2:42:03] will also go into more detail
[2:42:06] on this. The primary focus
[2:42:08] here is to confirm and be very
[2:42:12] clear about the status of our
[2:42:14] collaborate. Take
[2:42:15] collaboration, commitment. 2
[2:42:17] interactions with immigration
[2:42:20] authorities. And this in all
[2:42:21] amendment to an existing
[2:42:22] ordinance that council adopted
[2:42:26] earlier this year and should
[2:42:29] hopefully clarify the the
[2:42:30] direction that we heard from
[2:42:35] council and the community to
[2:42:36] improve our improve our
[2:42:36] statement of non
[2:42:41] collaboration. Fairly quickly
[2:42:42] wanting to walk through the
[2:42:45] council policies. I'm not
[2:42:47] going to spend a lot of time.
[2:42:48] I'm historically I've gone
[2:42:49] through line by line. Every
[2:42:51] specific policy. I will not do
[2:42:52] that today because I want to
[2:42:55] talk and just say we've got 6
[2:42:59] specific points that we've
[2:43:00] been able to check boxes on as
[2:43:02] we develop this policy that
[2:43:03] are all consistency, feel
[2:43:05] findings with the attorney
[2:43:05] general's guidance. When we
[2:43:08] think about how city staff is
[2:43:12] going to respond to
[2:43:13] immigration authorities in
[2:43:15] various ways. We've
[2:43:16] established protocols. Those
[2:43:17] show up in sections. 3.3 of
[2:43:21] the new policy. When we talk
[2:43:24] about which personnel is
[2:43:25] ultimately responsible for
[2:43:29] rebel. You waiting reviewing
[2:43:29] requests that come It
[2:43:32] identifies the city manager is
[2:43:34] the primary area primary
[2:43:35] authority by requires or
[2:43:36] recommends that the city
[2:43:37] attorney be involved in
[2:43:39] various circumstances
[2:43:40] depending upon depending upon
[2:43:43] the situation that's at hand.
[2:43:44] Those are both outlined in
[2:43:47] sections. 3.2 3.8, we talk
[2:43:50] about how what allowable
[2:43:50] access is with city facilities
[2:43:54] and city properties. Those get
[2:43:55] further outlined in sections.
[2:43:58] 3.4 3.5 and are compliance
[2:44:02] with ordinance number 202,
[2:44:08] Dash, 0, 0, 5, which added the
[2:44:09] which added the general plan
[2:44:12] section 13 Dash 40 yen and
[2:44:13] city Attorney Crocker will go
[2:44:14] through that here in just a
[2:44:18] little bit. It also provides
[2:44:21] additional information on what
[2:44:22] happens if a federal agent
[2:44:22] shows up with a warrant or
[2:44:24] doesn't have a warrant and
[2:44:25] give staff more information on
[2:44:26] how they're supposed to behave
[2:44:28] and interact with those
[2:44:29] federal agents when they do
[2:44:33] arrive in a city building.
[2:44:36] When we think about
[2:44:37] documentation sections, a
[2:44:37] majority of the sections
[2:44:38] within this policy, 3.0, 5, 3,
[2:44:42] 0, 6, 3.9, 3.11, all give
[2:44:45] detailed information under
[2:44:46] various circumstances as to
[2:44:48] how the city will collect
[2:44:51] disseminate or utilize
[2:44:53] documentation relating to
[2:44:53] personal information and it
[2:44:58] creates a city manager process
[2:44:59] for for collecting and
[2:45:00] maintaining that data should
[2:45:01] any of our protocols require
[2:45:08] it? We also talk about how we
[2:45:09] gather and and handle requests
[2:45:11] for those informations in
[2:45:17] Section 3.6 3.7 and then we go
[2:45:18] into last talking about how
[2:45:19] we're going to train our staff
[2:45:21] so that the policy itself is
[2:45:23] clearly understood that we
[2:45:24] have detailed information for
[2:45:25] individuals at various levels
[2:45:26] within the organization to be
[2:45:27] able to handle those
[2:45:30] interactions. We recognize
[2:45:31] those interactions can be
[2:45:34] incredibly stressful. They can
[2:45:38] be challenging. They can be
[2:45:39] they can place our team
[2:45:40] members in a position that is
[2:45:43] uncomfortable in many ways and
[2:45:45] we want to make sure that
[2:45:45] training provides them the
[2:45:47] tools they need and the
[2:45:47] information they they need in
[2:45:50] order to be successful in
[2:45:53] handling those interactions
[2:45:55] and best fit the city of Santa
[2:46:00] Rosa's request for them. That
[2:46:01] that that training will
[2:46:02] include things as what a
[2:46:05] public nonpublic space are. It
[2:46:07] will talk about what a
[2:46:09] judicial and administrative
[2:46:10] warrant is and will give team
[2:46:11] members the tools to be able
[2:46:12] to start to identify. And then
[2:46:15] once they Dana, 5 determine
[2:46:16] which path they need to take
[2:46:18] next. It will talk about how
[2:46:19] public Records act requests
[2:46:22] are handled and how request on
[2:46:23] the spot are also taking into
[2:46:26] consideration and dealt with.
[2:46:28] We'll talk about what consent
[2:46:29] means. What does it mean to
[2:46:30] consent to an action or not
[2:46:32] consent to an action? And it
[2:46:35] MAY include some scenario
[2:46:37] based training as well,
[2:46:39] depending upon the staff and
[2:46:40] the and the type of
[2:46:40] interaction those staff
[2:46:43] members MAY have. We did want
[2:46:44] to incorporate the flexibility
[2:46:46] to be able to provide more
[2:46:47] intense training for certain
[2:46:50] staff members versus others
[2:46:50] because of the duties that
[2:46:51] they MAY have on a day-to-day
[2:46:58] basis. To give just a quick
[2:47:00] example of some of the
[2:47:01] statements that were trying
[2:47:02] that we're looking to make
[2:47:04] better part of the attorney
[2:47:05] general's guidance. If in U.S.
[2:47:08] Immigration Authority makes
[2:47:11] contact, we will request
[2:47:12] information about what it is
[2:47:14] they're looking for what
[2:47:15] records. I will try to
[2:47:16] understand that concept of
[2:47:21] what they're trying to achieve
[2:47:21] our employees will remain
[2:47:23] calm. They'll remain
[2:47:24] professional. They will not
[2:47:25] aggravate. They will not
[2:47:29] interfere. Once we understand
[2:47:31] the nature of the records, it
[2:47:33] will be processed through the
[2:47:35] appropriate senior manager,
[2:47:38] which is either myself or the
[2:47:38] city attorney and a
[2:47:39] determination will be made as
[2:47:42] to whether or not the
[2:47:42] materials that they've
[2:47:43] requested can be processed and
[2:47:47] provided to them. Response on
[2:47:48] that documentation will be
[2:47:50] consistent with our political
[2:47:51] laws as well as the policy
[2:47:52] that we've outlined. And as I
[2:47:54] mentioned, there's specific
[2:47:56] programs and and methodologies
[2:47:57] with which certain
[2:47:58] documentation MAY or MAY not
[2:48:02] be provided. And going through
[2:48:04] all of this is where that
[2:48:05] training is going to comment.
[2:48:06] It's going to assist our staff
[2:48:07] members to clearly understand
[2:48:11] at what point do each of these
[2:48:14] aspects of interactions need
[2:48:14] to be handled through myself
[2:48:17] through the city attorney or
[2:48:18] through the police department.
[2:48:19] Should the police department
[2:48:20] need to be incorporated into
[2:48:27] this? Wraps that primary
[2:48:28] aspects of the policy. And I
[2:48:30] want to head over to City
[2:48:31] Attorney Crocker to talk about
[2:48:34] the ordinance Amendment. Thank
[2:48:37] you. City manager.
[2:48:38] >> Good evening. I am pleased
[2:48:41] to bring this ordinance to
[2:48:42] tonight. I'll just start the
[2:48:43] bit of history. In APRIL of
[2:48:45] this year, the council adopted
[2:48:46] an ordinance adding Chapter
[2:48:49] 13. 42 the city code that
[2:48:50] chapter says it's city
[2:48:52] property MAY be used only for
[2:48:54] city purposes in plain terms.
[2:48:56] City property is for city
[2:48:57] business and helping with
[2:48:58] civil immigration enforcement
[2:49:01] is not city business. Although
[2:49:02] that that ordinance was. And
[2:49:06] it is a very strong ordinance.
[2:49:06] The council, the community
[2:49:07] expressed concern that it MAY
[2:49:09] not go far enough. Although
[2:49:11] the ordinance would prohibit
[2:49:12] immigration authorities from
[2:49:13] using city property to stage
[2:49:15] civil enforcement actions.
[2:49:17] There were concerns that it
[2:49:19] fell short by phone by failing
[2:49:21] to directly restrict city
[2:49:21] staff from collaborating and
[2:49:22] sharing information with
[2:49:26] immigration officials. In
[2:49:27] addition, although the city
[2:49:29] has several additional
[2:49:30] protections in place, they
[2:49:31] come in various locations.
[2:49:33] They come from a state law in
[2:49:35] sb. 54. They come from a 2017
[2:49:37] and a visible city resolution
[2:49:41] and a local police policy.
[2:49:41] Each of these applies to
[2:49:43] different people different
[2:49:45] situations. The cities and a
[2:49:47] visible city resolution
[2:49:48] prohibits city employees from
[2:49:49] enforcing civil immigration
[2:49:50] laws or using city resources
[2:49:53] to investigate or apprehend
[2:49:53] people based upon a possible
[2:49:57] violation of immigration law.
[2:49:58] But that resolution does not
[2:49:59] directly address
[2:50:00] information-sharing and
[2:50:00] collaboration with immigration
[2:50:05] officials. Senate Bill 54
[2:50:06] Santa Rosa Police Department
[2:50:09] policy for 20 generally
[2:50:10] prohibits law enforcement from
[2:50:12] cooperating with ice except in
[2:50:13] limited circumstances. But
[2:50:15] those laws and policies do not
[2:50:16] prohibit any other city
[2:50:17] officials from engaging in the
[2:50:20] same behavior. In other words,
[2:50:21] I believe the council
[2:50:23] identified a gap in our
[2:50:25] regulations and the proposed
[2:50:26] on collaboration ordinance. We
[2:50:27] bring you tonight. Closes that
[2:50:31] gap. This ordinance that we're
[2:50:33] bringing you essentially
[2:50:34] extends a framework of sb 54
[2:50:35] to city property generally not
[2:50:37] just law enforcement
[2:50:39] facilities and it applies to
[2:50:40] all city officials, employees,
[2:50:42] boards and commissions, not
[2:50:45] just law enforcement agencies.
[2:50:46] It also broadens the scope of
[2:50:49] the city's and a visible city
[2:50:50] resolution by prohibiting the
[2:50:52] use of city property to share
[2:50:53] information are collaborate
[2:50:53] with immigration officials for
[2:50:56] immigration enforcement. In
[2:50:58] short, the proposed on
[2:50:59] collaboration ordinance
[2:51:00] produces a single document
[2:51:02] that governs all city staff
[2:51:03] under a single rule of law
[2:51:05] regulating the use of city
[2:51:07] property, including non caught
[2:51:09] collaboration with immigration
[2:51:09] officials. It puts it all in
[2:51:13] one place. The text in the
[2:51:17] ordinance is straightforward.
[2:51:17] It says no city official
[2:51:19] employee board or department
[2:51:20] MAY use city property to
[2:51:21] collaborate collaborate with
[2:51:23] federal civil immigration
[2:51:25] Enforcement City. Property
[2:51:26] includes real property and
[2:51:29] personal property, meaning
[2:51:29] buildings, land vehicles,
[2:51:33] computers and other equipment.
[2:51:35] Collaborating means any city
[2:51:35] employee contacting are
[2:51:38] responding to immigration.
[2:51:39] Authorities are sharing or
[2:51:40] confirming information for the
[2:51:41] purpose of immigration
[2:51:41] enforcement except as required
[2:51:45] or permitted by law. As an
[2:51:46] example of employee were to
[2:51:47] use their city office in
[2:51:48] computer to look up
[2:51:50] information about co-workers
[2:51:50] and share it with immigration
[2:51:52] authorities for enforcement
[2:51:54] purposes that employee would
[2:51:55] be using city property to
[2:51:56] collaborate with immigration
[2:51:57] enforcement with the ordinance
[2:52:01] prohibits. The city attorney's
[2:52:02] office believes this ordinance
[2:52:04] offers very strong protection
[2:52:06] to the community while also
[2:52:06] remaining legally defensible
[2:52:08] under both state and federal
[2:52:09] law. It goes as far as we can
[2:52:14] go as a city. I also want to
[2:52:14] address what the ordinance
[2:52:17] does not do. The ordinance
[2:52:18] does not require city
[2:52:19] employees to prevent federal
[2:52:20] agents from entering public
[2:52:23] spaces on city property. It
[2:52:25] does not require employees to
[2:52:26] ignore a judge's order or
[2:52:28] valid warrant or hold back
[2:52:30] information that the law
[2:52:32] requires. And it does not
[2:52:33] require employees to put
[2:52:34] themselves in harm's way or
[2:52:35] interfere with the federal
[2:52:37] immigration action. Going
[2:52:38] past. Those lines would not
[2:52:40] protect the community. More.
[2:52:42] It would put the protections
[2:52:42] that we do have at risk of
[2:52:46] being struck down. Earlier
[2:52:48] this year. The council asked
[2:52:49] staff to go further to protect
[2:52:52] our community members. We
[2:52:53] believe this is how far we can
[2:52:54] go without crossing the line
[2:52:55] and asking our employees to
[2:52:58] violate state or federal law.
[2:52:59] I'm now going to hand this
[2:53:00] over to Assistant City
[2:53:01] Attorney Hepler to discuss the
[2:53:05] various enforcement mechanisms
[2:53:06] which will further demonstrate
[2:53:06] the strength of both the
[2:53:07] proposed ordinance and the
[2:53:10] council policy. Thank you.
[2:53:14] Thank you. City attorney
[2:53:15] clearly in order to be
[2:53:17] effective, we need a council
[2:53:17] policy and an ordinance that
[2:53:19] are also in forcible.
[2:53:21] >> I believe it's important to
[2:53:23] note that all current city
[2:53:24] employees are subject to the
[2:53:26] city's personnel rules and
[2:53:28] regulations in violation of
[2:53:28] the rules and regulations can
[2:53:31] result discipline. And I'd
[2:53:33] like to talk for a moment
[2:53:34] about what that means because
[2:53:35] discipline is a very generic
[2:53:37] term and it can mean different
[2:53:39] things. You can have minor
[2:53:41] discipline for mistakes and
[2:53:42] maybe situations and which
[2:53:43] training needed to be
[2:53:44] addressed, where you can have
[2:53:46] very severe discipline. And
[2:53:51] here at the city egregious
[2:53:52] behavior that violates the
[2:53:54] city rules and regulations can
[2:53:55] result in severe discipline,
[2:53:59] including demotion, which
[2:54:01] results in the loss of some
[2:54:02] pay usually or even
[2:54:03] termination, which results in
[2:54:05] loss of pay. The loss of
[2:54:08] benefits and potentially ones
[2:54:09] pension. Those are very severe
[2:54:12] consequences. With that in
[2:54:14] mind. Turning to the council
[2:54:16] policy, there are a couple of
[2:54:17] sections there that could
[2:54:18] trigger discipline under the
[2:54:18] city's rules and regulations
[2:54:22] for personnel. Requests for
[2:54:22] information records or data is
[2:54:25] one of them. And that's
[2:54:27] because that section is very
[2:54:28] clear. That disclosure of
[2:54:30] information shall be limited
[2:54:31] to information specifically
[2:54:35] required by law. The other
[2:54:36] section that could potentially
[2:54:36] trigger discipline is data
[2:54:40] collection and retention. So
[2:54:40] what violations of those
[2:54:44] sections look like by way of
[2:54:46] an example, you could have
[2:54:47] employees working the counter
[2:54:48] in the lobby. Immigration
[2:54:49] enforcement officials show up
[2:54:51] with a warrant in hand and
[2:54:53] initially that employee does
[2:54:55] everything right. They contact
[2:54:56] their manager. The city
[2:54:58] managers contact the city
[2:55:00] attorneys contacted and upon
[2:55:01] legal review. It's determined
[2:55:03] that this is a valid judicial
[2:55:03] warrant and compliance is
[2:55:07] required. Employee MAY provide
[2:55:08] the documentation listed in
[2:55:10] the Valley Judicial warrant,
[2:55:11] but then they could take it
[2:55:12] upon themselves to provide
[2:55:13] additional information that
[2:55:15] was not request under the
[2:55:16] warrant. That would be a
[2:55:17] violation of the council
[2:55:21] policy. Likewise, if employee
[2:55:22] was retaining information are
[2:55:23] collecting information that
[2:55:24] they are not authorized to
[2:55:27] collect or retain. And that
[2:55:27] information was subsequently
[2:55:29] provided to immigration
[2:55:30] enforcement authorities. That
[2:55:30] would be a violation of the
[2:55:34] policy. A critical tool that
[2:55:35] the city has when using
[2:55:41] discipline. To manage this
[2:55:43] council policy and impact what
[2:55:48] employees are doing it to her.
[2:55:49] Violations and to enforce
[2:55:51] against violations is the
[2:55:52] ability to immediately put an
[2:55:54] employee out and what that
[2:55:56] means is the city has the
[2:55:58] right to tell an employee that
[2:55:59] they are no longer welcome on
[2:56:00] campus wide. The disciplinary
[2:56:03] process plays out and until
[2:56:03] there is a charmer and a
[2:56:05] determination as to whether
[2:56:07] the conduct and in fact occur
[2:56:08] and discipline is determined.
[2:56:11] What is appropriate. That is
[2:56:12] an immediate action that the
[2:56:14] city can take to protect
[2:56:15] community members from further
[2:56:18] violations of the policy. And
[2:56:19] it is an incredibly strong
[2:56:21] tool to have in our toolbox.
[2:56:26] With respect to the ordinance.
[2:56:28] Ordinance allows for
[2:56:29] enforcement by way of civil
[2:56:31] relief. Previously that was
[2:56:32] really geared towards the use
[2:56:36] of real property non employees
[2:56:38] would be prevented from
[2:56:39] continuing to use city
[2:56:40] property for non city purposes
[2:56:42] such as immigration
[2:56:43] enforcement and what that
[2:56:45] looks like in seeking civil
[2:56:45] relief in court and requesting
[2:56:48] an injunction. That ordinance
[2:56:50] also applies to employees. So
[2:56:51] looking at that previous
[2:56:55] example that I gave you you
[2:56:56] have an employee who
[2:56:59] potentially? Provides
[2:56:59] information that they weren't
[2:57:01] authorized to provide. That's
[2:57:04] a violation of policy. But the
[2:57:05] tools in which they used to
[2:57:06] provide the information, the
[2:57:08] office equipment, their
[2:57:10] computer, the records that
[2:57:11] they had access to. That's a
[2:57:13] violation of the ordinance in
[2:57:14] the ordinance. And the policy
[2:57:15] are not mutually exclusive.
[2:57:17] It's not one or the other. You
[2:57:19] could have enforcement using
[2:57:23] bowl. And so the city has the
[2:57:24] tool of potentially if
[2:57:25] violation of the policy is
[2:57:26] egregious enough that it
[2:57:27] warrants putting an employee
[2:57:30] out immediately to protect the
[2:57:32] community, they can do that.
[2:57:33] While the city attorney is
[2:57:34] also looking at options for
[2:57:36] civil enforcement, if that's
[2:57:37] appropriate. So those remedies
[2:57:39] together under the personnel
[2:57:43] rules and regulations and
[2:57:44] civil relief in a court of law
[2:57:45] allowed the city to Taylor
[2:57:46] enforcement of the Council
[2:57:47] policy and the ordinance to
[2:57:48] best meet the needs of the
[2:57:56] city and the community. We've
[2:57:59] been hearing for several weeks
[2:58:00] to months from community
[2:58:02] members that are in the room
[2:58:02] community is that have been in
[2:58:03] the room that there's a number
[2:58:06] of items that there have been
[2:58:07] requesting.
[2:58:09] >> That staff to incorporate
[2:58:09] into I the resolution or into
[2:58:14] ordinance. This is sort we
[2:58:15] just want to show a checklist
[2:58:16] of what we've been attempting
[2:58:17] to do to try to accommodate
[2:58:20] those requests and and I will
[2:58:20] just say that in the meetings
[2:58:23] that I've had with the
[2:58:24] community members over the
[2:58:25] last couple of weeks, there
[2:58:27] was one particular ah, ha
[2:58:30] moment that gave the city
[2:58:32] attorney's office more
[2:58:35] information to be able to
[2:58:36] present and identify an area
[2:58:39] that we could expedite the
[2:58:40] ordinance. That's before you
[2:58:43] today. If you recall couple of
[2:58:44] weeks ago, we talked about
[2:58:45] this maybe needing to come
[2:58:48] back at a later date, work
[2:58:49] that the city attorney's
[2:58:52] office has done in the last 2
[2:58:53] weeks is as significant. It's
[2:58:54] impressive and I'm very
[2:58:56] thankful that they were able
[2:58:58] to take the feedback that we
[2:59:00] heard from the community and
[2:59:01] roll it into something that's
[2:59:02] tangible and in front of you
[2:59:03] today that we believe actually
[2:59:04] addresses the concerns that
[2:59:10] have been raised efforts meet
[2:59:11] council. What you're a
[2:59:11] question of us, which is
[2:59:12] figure out how we can get from
[2:59:18] here to their and so with
[2:59:19] that, we are really pleased to
[2:59:20] bring both of these items to
[2:59:24] you for consideration by
[2:59:25] resolution would like you to
[2:59:27] adopt council policy entitled
[2:59:27] policies and procedures
[2:59:28] governing city city
[2:59:29] interactions with immigration
[2:59:31] authorities and access to city
[2:59:31] information consistent with
[2:59:35] federal and state law and to
[2:59:36] introduce an ordinance
[2:59:37] amending chapter 13, 40 of the
[2:59:40] Santa Rosa City code
[2:59:40] prohibiting the use of city
[2:59:43] property to collaborate with
[2:59:44] immigration authorities in the
[2:59:45] enforcement of federal civil
[2:59:51] immigration laws. This item
[2:59:51] has no further fiscal impact
[2:59:55] at this time. So we are here
[2:59:55] for any if you have any
[2:59:58] questions regarding the
[2:59:58] actions were requesting. The
[3:00:02] wonderful alright city
[3:00:02] manager, not City Crocker,
[3:00:03] excuse me, MISS Hepler. Thank
[3:00:04] you for all the work that has
[3:00:06] been a lot of work indeed.
[3:00:07] >> All right. I do. I do hear
[3:00:09] the enthusiasm from the back
[3:00:10] and one of our public comment
[3:00:11] in a moment. But first, we're
[3:00:12] going we're going to bring
[3:00:13] back to to the dance Mrs, kick
[3:00:15] us off.
[3:00:17] >> City Attorney Ashley Yes.
[3:00:23] For everything. We We look up.
[3:00:25] A Poseidon a woman. And pull
[3:00:28] those at the low status. Will
[3:00:35] boost China stays. It. And
[3:00:37] Give you a lot. The scene.
[3:00:42] Give us some time rolls He
[3:00:43] could. He would like to thank
[3:00:44] little Luca Business, a little
[3:00:47] less about something skinny
[3:00:48] respect it's some of the most
[3:00:51] time, because some school
[3:00:52] status you'll still close to
[3:00:54] locals as some schools to
[3:00:58] She's a play To our city
[3:01:01] attorney. Thank you. To my
[3:01:03] community. Look what happened
[3:01:04] stand up. Look what happens
[3:01:07] when are united. When you
[3:01:09] demand change what you do,
[3:01:09] land representation when ban
[3:01:12] to be respected. This is a
[3:01:15] result of coming together.
[3:01:19] Your love, your respected. You
[3:01:23] are protected. We protected.
[3:01:25] Long live justice. Long live
[3:01:29] the city of Santa Rosa. Thank
[3:01:36] you. MISS Been I can't
[3:01:37] Councilmember Alvarez.
[3:01:40] >> But first, first I want to
[3:01:43] really interim city manager at
[3:01:47] not the attorneys Crocker and
[3:01:51] in does it help. Thank know
[3:01:53] I've I didn't want to say Dana
[3:01:56] Cup. That's how I know but i
[3:01:58] want to thank u n all the
[3:02:01] folks that worked on this with
[3:02:02] you all how much we appreciate
[3:02:04] all the work that you've done
[3:02:07] and meeting with the
[3:02:07] community. How important that
[3:02:10] is and listening to them. And
[3:02:12] getting to the point where you
[3:02:13] we understood exactly what was
[3:02:20] needed. And you know, just to
[3:02:25] echo Councilmember Alvarez. We
[3:02:27] wanted you all know that we do
[3:02:28] care that we do want to make a
[3:02:30] difference for you. And we do
[3:02:32] want to protect entire
[3:02:34] community because it's not
[3:02:34] only a faxed immigrant
[3:02:36] community, but all of us. So
[3:02:40] thank you for all the work.
[3:02:43] I'm told you when we first
[3:02:45] discussed this recently that I
[3:02:46] was stunned that we were able
[3:02:50] to do both resolution and the
[3:02:50] amendments to the ordinance.
[3:02:54] Thank you so much because I
[3:02:54] didn't want to drag this out
[3:02:55] any more that we need to. I'm
[3:02:58] sure you didn't either. And
[3:02:59] so, you know, all of my
[3:03:01] gratitude to all of you,
[3:03:02] Anthony m. So there's that
[3:03:06] there that to work so hard and
[3:03:06] you continue to work hard in
[3:03:11] the in like a mini died. Thank
[3:03:12] you, everybody. Thank you.
[3:03:12] MISS Manuel, most Ms
[3:03:16] MacDonald.
[3:03:17] >> Yeah, I I want to just
[3:03:18] commend you on your amount of
[3:03:19] work that you did in such a
[3:03:20] short amount of time. I know
[3:03:21] going back MARCH, we were
[3:03:26] saying around the ordinance
[3:03:27] and the resolution and I
[3:03:28] appreciate you marrying the 2
[3:03:32] things together has suggested
[3:03:33] because I think that that
[3:03:35] really resolve everything we
[3:03:36] have as much teeth as we
[3:03:37] possibly can in and not just
[3:03:38] our ordinance, but in our
[3:03:41] council policy resolution. And
[3:03:43] so I I really appreciate the
[3:03:45] efforts that went into that.
[3:03:46] So congratulations to our city
[3:03:49] attorney and her staff to as
[3:03:50] well as everyone else. I know
[3:03:51] it was more than even the 2 of
[3:03:54] you going back reviewing old
[3:03:56] videos looking to see what
[3:03:57] council direction was so many
[3:03:59] months ago when this item was
[3:04:00] brought forward. Thank you to
[3:04:02] city manager in that for
[3:04:03] making sure that this is a
[3:04:06] priority based on the the
[3:04:07] concern and the community. And
[3:04:12] I want to say thank you to the
[3:04:13] advocates that continue to
[3:04:15] come here. You know, at all of
[3:04:18] our meetings, your voice does
[3:04:20] matter and we listen to you.
[3:04:22] And although we can't interact
[3:04:23] a lot of times, it's very
[3:04:24] difficult for us to not be
[3:04:27] able to respond because of how
[3:04:28] things work. I just I just
[3:04:30] want you to know that every
[3:04:34] time 70 comes to speak to us.
[3:04:35] Your comments, all we take
[3:04:37] them home. Think about them.
[3:04:37] And then we think about how
[3:04:39] can we implement them into our
[3:04:40] city. But I appreciate the
[3:04:44] work that went into how we
[3:04:44] work with our employees to
[3:04:45] make sure that we're doing
[3:04:46] everything we possibly can in
[3:04:49] the city of Santa Rosa. And
[3:04:51] thank you to the sanctuary and
[3:04:52] thank you. You city manager
[3:04:54] not from meeting with them
[3:04:56] personally to make sure that
[3:04:57] we're doing everything that
[3:04:59] the attorney general suggested
[3:05:00] everything that we have been
[3:05:01] legislation. And I like to
[3:05:04] think that the city of Santa
[3:05:05] Rosa and maybe you can confirm
[3:05:06] this for me as city attorney
[3:05:10] that we have the strongest
[3:05:12] policy in place of any
[3:05:12] jurisdiction north of the
[3:05:18] Bridge for immigration. From
[3:05:19] what I've seen in the research
[3:05:20] that we've done. I think that
[3:05:21] we we go the farthest we have
[3:05:24] really taken an extra step. I
[3:05:25] can't say that for certain. I
[3:05:27] haven't reviewed them say it
[3:05:30] for tonight. I'm going to say
[3:05:31] for tonight this feels good.
[3:05:32] Santa a strong and I'm really
[3:05:33] proud of that. And thank you
[3:05:34] so much. All of us are
[3:05:34] standing here together
[3:05:37] tonight. Thank you your
[3:05:38] comments. Councilmember
[3:05:39] Alvarez and I appreciate Even
[3:05:39] though I couldn't understand
[3:05:42] some of it. I was there with
[3:05:44] you in Spirit. Thank you.
[3:05:49] Thank you. MISS Fleming.
[3:05:50] >> Mike hockey, my comments
[3:05:50] brief. Think a lot of what
[3:05:51] needs to be said has already
[3:05:54] been said really well. You
[3:05:59] know, I'm really touched I
[3:05:59] first brought this up at the
[3:06:03] beginning of the year. It was
[3:06:03] clear to me that it was going
[3:06:06] to be a long process. And I'm
[3:06:08] really heartened to feel the
[3:06:10] support from the community
[3:06:11] whose kept the pressure on our
[3:06:14] council and staff. You know,
[3:06:15] I'm personally love the
[3:06:15] hooting and hollering in the
[3:06:17] back. I think that this is if
[3:06:18] there's ever a time to make
[3:06:19] some noise, it's when we stand
[3:06:23] up to fascism. And I think
[3:06:25] order is a little bit, you
[3:06:25] know, unnecessary in these
[3:06:26] moments. But the mayor has his
[3:06:28] own process. And so that's how
[3:06:31] these things go. But but at
[3:06:32] the end of the day, you all
[3:06:34] kept the pressure up and the
[3:06:36] council has come along a far
[3:06:39] away and the staff thanks to
[3:06:41] the leadership of our our new
[3:06:45] city Attorney, Ashley Crocker
[3:06:46] our city manager. Jason not
[3:06:49] has come so far implementing
[3:06:53] such a strong policy that
[3:06:56] affirms our commitment to anti
[3:06:56] fascism and to the people of
[3:06:58] Santa Rosa, let you all know
[3:06:59] that each person here is
[3:07:00] valuable and welcome. And
[3:07:05] we're so glad that you're
[3:07:06] >> Thank you. All right. Now
[3:07:07] we're at one more from one of
[3:07:09] the thing for you, MR. All
[3:07:10] residents, Rogers, I would
[3:07:13] remiss if I don't see them
[3:07:14] here tonight, I definitely
[3:07:15] want to acknowledge Linda and
[3:07:18] Mary as they or a protest with
[3:07:20] the passion as well ladies up
[3:07:22] there who said going do this.
[3:07:25] And when when we met up, I had
[3:07:28] and nobody ate much. Elaine
[3:07:29] Coleman, those storms in
[3:07:32] little sometimes most But
[3:07:33] nonetheless, though, to Marion
[3:07:35] and Linda, I want to thank
[3:07:37] personally for for really
[3:07:37] representing him being that
[3:07:40] strength, strong ally. And
[3:07:42] being a voice to the under
[3:07:43] represented and sometimes the
[3:07:44] voice so I want I wasn't as
[3:07:47] well. Thank you. Ms Rogers.
[3:07:49] >> I just wanted to thank you
[3:07:51] all for being here in
[3:07:52] continuing to Sitting through
[3:07:56] are very long meetings. And I
[3:07:59] realize that we have done this
[3:08:00] step.
[3:08:01] >> But I believe there's still
[3:08:02] so much more that we need to
[3:08:07] do as a community. So I'm
[3:08:09] asking that you continue to
[3:08:12] hold me accountable when
[3:08:13] there's places to show when
[3:08:15] there's things that we need to
[3:08:17] do to support the community,
[3:08:18] to continue to let us know,
[3:08:21] because this is just the stat,
[3:08:22] but it is not. It's not the
[3:08:24] beginning and it's not the
[3:08:25] They're still a lot more fight
[3:08:28] that we have to do. And in
[3:08:30] order to make sure that
[3:08:32] everyone understands and knows
[3:08:32] that they are welcome in that
[3:08:35] they are safe here. So
[3:08:35] continue to hold us
[3:08:39] accountable. Thank you.
[3:08:41] >> Thank you. All right. If
[3:08:42] there is no additional comment
[3:08:43] from from the dais, let's go
[3:08:43] to public comments. They're
[3:08:46] lot of names listed where a
[3:08:49] new one minute for public
[3:08:50] comment. I want to go start
[3:08:51] with, know, and then Dunia and
[3:08:54] then Socorro let's use. But if
[3:08:55] you wish to speak, let's be
[3:08:56] lined up behind both
[3:08:57] microphones so that we can
[3:09:00] move through this quickly.
[3:09:01] Again, we're gonna start with
[3:09:02] Dino then Dunia and Socorro do
[3:09:03] know is that you? Yeah. Kick
[3:09:05] us off.
[3:09:08] >> Good evening, mayor and
[3:09:10] council members, my name scene
[3:09:10] or take political science
[3:09:11] students know must say in a
[3:09:13] rose and resident and I came
[3:09:15] here today to strongly urge
[3:09:16] the council to amend the
[3:09:19] ordinance passed earlier this
[3:09:20] year to strong enforceable
[3:09:21] ordinance explicitly
[3:09:22] prohibiting collaboration with
[3:09:23] federal immigration
[3:09:25] enforcement. But thanks to the
[3:09:28] hard work at the Sonoma County
[3:09:28] Sanctuary Coalition, North Bay
[3:09:29] Chosen Justice and other
[3:09:31] related groups. Their
[3:09:31] conversations with the council
[3:09:35] and city government to me and
[3:09:37] I'm waiting to hear what main
[3:09:38] organizers have to say. But
[3:09:39] this seems like a very robust
[3:09:40] response to the Trump
[3:09:43] administration's attacks on
[3:09:44] immigrant communities. I
[3:09:44] really thank you all for
[3:09:48] putting this together. It
[3:09:50] seems to me the urgency of the
[3:09:53] moment and I'm glad that Santa
[3:09:55] Rosa, you know, can really be
[3:09:55] inspiration to other
[3:09:58] communities around that.
[3:09:59] >> And the county, the state,
[3:10:01] the country that people come
[3:10:02] together. And even if there's
[3:10:02] initial disagreements, things
[3:10:04] can be worked out and
[3:10:07] victories can be had, you
[3:10:08] know, immigrant rights are
[3:10:10] human rights and workers
[3:10:11] rights in solidarity must mean
[3:10:13] more than words and involves
[3:10:14] actions. So thank everyone
[3:10:16] here for acting. Thank you so
[3:10:17] much.
[3:10:18] >> Thank you. And is doing you
[3:10:20] no longer wish speak. Doing
[3:10:22] and you have the floor and
[3:10:28] then it's then it's the coral.
[3:10:28] >> Hello, I'm standing here in
[3:10:29] support of amending the
[3:10:30] ordinance in adopting
[3:10:34] resolution as be 5.80. Please
[3:10:34] prioritize setting an example
[3:10:38] of how all cities can do
[3:10:39] everything possible to legally
[3:10:42] protect immigrant rights. This
[3:10:43] includes getting rid of flock
[3:10:46] cameras. Thank you.
[3:10:47] >> Thank you very much. And
[3:10:52] you know, and then Robert.
[3:10:53] >> And Renee, so said that
[3:10:55] we're going to share this
[3:10:57] time. I just wanted to on
[3:10:58] behalf of the Sonoma County
[3:11:00] Sanctuary Coalition. Same
[3:11:04] which has Cs. Thank you so
[3:11:07] much. Thank you. Thank you so
[3:11:07] much.
[3:11:10] >> Especially to the city
[3:11:11] manager in the city attorney.
[3:11:14] We appreciate you listening to
[3:11:15] us will be back next Tuesday
[3:11:16] to celebrate the vote. Thank
[3:11:19] you.
[3:11:19] >> Thank you. Remains the
[3:11:22] Wilmont and Lena Robert. My
[3:11:23] apologies, Sir, is a Kroger.
[3:11:26] Please go ahead.
[3:11:27] >> Get a lot the best. Yes, a
[3:11:28] number that the combine it as
[3:11:29] a mother leave it as up on his
[3:11:33] hands and somebody it is. But
[3:11:34] I'm listening and put up at
[3:11:36] this is the do fun. One.
[3:11:37] >> One wants a car. We want
[3:11:42] translator. Is that correct?
[3:11:47] >> they're It
[3:11:48] >> One moment when we move the
[3:11:50] translator or interpreter over
[3:11:52] to assist. We know
[3:11:53] >> appears that she brought
[3:12:01] her own percent.
[3:12:02] >> I'm good as has is that
[3:12:06] idea Senate and amount of this
[3:12:07] Egan on about because those 2
[3:12:12] men ultimately more what they
[3:12:12] on most ticket must be
[3:12:14] governor but also limit the
[3:12:15] sickest on of a up with it
[3:12:15] that a guy that put them in
[3:12:16] But it's that much of the
[3:12:19] city. But at most because at
[3:12:19] the that you must put the luck
[3:12:26] and sounds. Man. I speak now.
[3:12:30] Yes, go ahead. I just want to
[3:12:32] say thank you for the victory
[3:12:32] today. I'll be back next
[3:12:34] Tuesday to celebrate.
[3:12:38] >> And this is just 1, 0, so
[3:12:39] many victories thank you
[3:12:43] again, so much. This is a lot
[3:12:48] to our community can see.
[3:12:49] >> And most of them thank We
[3:12:52] could have a very good at
[3:12:53] sleep tonight. Thank Thank
[3:12:55] Thank you both. All right,
[3:12:55] Alina. And then Robert and
[3:12:58] resell die.
[3:13:04] >> Serena here. Gonna pass
[3:13:05] mean. All right. Thank you for
[3:13:09] coming out tonight. Robert.
[3:13:12] Big and the robber, your Thank
[3:13:12] you very much. And thank you
[3:13:15] very much to all of
[3:13:16] >> I will honestly tell you,
[3:13:18] I'm surprised and very
[3:13:21] pleased. I knew you were going
[3:13:24] to do a resolution, which is
[3:13:25] the recommendation to people
[3:13:27] follow the law. I was hoping
[3:13:30] you would do what you've done,
[3:13:31] which is also adopt ordinance,
[3:13:33] which is, in fact, an order.
[3:13:37] And that to me, when you do
[3:13:38] point someone like Stephen
[3:13:39] Miller to be the chief of
[3:13:42] staff of the United States. We
[3:13:43] have to acknowledge that there
[3:13:45] is a lot of war actually still
[3:13:48] going on and there will be for
[3:13:50] 2 years. He is the author of
[3:13:51] the project to 2025. His
[3:13:51] intention is to deport as many
[3:13:55] people as possible. So thank
[3:13:56] you for your support we needed
[3:13:58] We look to you for that kind
[3:13:59] of leadership and thank you
[3:14:00] for delivering And we will be
[3:14:04] there as we were with last
[3:14:05] election to remind the
[3:14:07] oligarchs that they don't own
[3:14:09] the country. There's a giant
[3:14:10] group of people who just shrug
[3:14:13] show them off our shoulders
[3:14:14] and we will continue to do
[3:14:16] Thank you very much. Thank
[3:14:17] you. Robert Whittaker Silva,
[3:14:20] Marianne and its Is it Chris
[3:14:23] Silva?
[3:14:27] >> I thought then been nice.
[3:14:30] What would normally ok, you,
[3:14:31] Lauren, can you please
[3:14:32] facilitate the interpreters?
[3:14:36] We'll do. The interpreter,
[3:14:38] please. And is available to
[3:14:39] move over to the English
[3:14:48] Channel. Razor hand for me.
[3:14:50] >> Thank you, Hugh Oca. One
[3:15:05] moment. Okay. Okay. If you
[3:15:07] would like to let the speaker
[3:15:09] the best way for you to
[3:15:09] interpret. Go right ahead.
[3:15:24] You're in the English Channel.
[3:15:25] >> Okay. Deadly and then taken
[3:15:28] to these courses a get the
[3:15:29] meaning of war yet. To put the
[3:15:29] article says, you know, a
[3:15:30] different than the means about
[3:15:32] them. And they spoke us,
[3:15:33] essence, what not just end of
[3:15:37] a Nancy, a? Yes guy. But I get
[3:15:40] a the stand little see a
[3:15:43] fellow noticed that they've
[3:15:45] good will they be got on that
[3:15:50] nothing bustle in up It been
[3:15:52] No, still go. Let me get a is
[3:15:56] the not to make money that but
[3:15:57] way families we they get is
[3:15:58] that more young Williams said
[3:16:00] that it looked but got notice.
[3:16:02] There no make look Yeah. Who
[3:16:06] leave on with over not see
[3:16:06] aggressive in the zone is. But
[3:16:12] been a season Amelia. Good
[3:16:13] evening. My name. Ready to
[3:16:16] send a minute here and I'm
[3:16:17] here to thank each and every
[3:16:19] one of you for amending the
[3:16:19] ordinance the past APRIL.
[3:16:22] Thank you for making those
[3:16:23] changes.
[3:16:24] >> corporation with ice
[3:16:26] tonight. My community is going
[3:16:27] to be very happy and I'm very
[3:16:29] proud to have voted for any
[3:16:30] community. One of you. I make
[3:16:30] the right choice. I knew we
[3:16:33] would accomplish this. Thank
[3:16:34] you so much blessings to you
[3:16:37] and your families.
[3:16:38] >> Thank you. Can sell marry
[3:16:40] and and then Nicholas. Marion
[3:16:45] here. Please go ahead.
[3:16:48] >> My name is Mary and
[3:16:49] Michaels. I'm here in support
[3:16:53] of your vision of both a
[3:16:55] strong resolution, amended
[3:16:55] ordinance that will work
[3:16:58] together in a good marriage to
[3:17:00] provide the most protection
[3:17:02] possible for Santa Rosa
[3:17:05] residents who live in fear of
[3:17:08] ice. I would like to take this
[3:17:08] opportunity to thank city
[3:17:11] manager and city attorney for
[3:17:13] their willingness to listen to
[3:17:15] the concerns raised by our
[3:17:17] sanctuary coalition. And
[3:17:18] further due diligence
[3:17:20] incorporating our suggestions
[3:17:21] and advice into the documents
[3:17:25] before you today. 7 of the
[3:17:30] city council members have my
[3:17:31] respect and highest esteem for
[3:17:33] what you are about to
[3:17:35] accomplish when you vote for
[3:17:36] the resolution and the
[3:17:39] non-cooperation ordinance.
[3:17:40] Thank you.
[3:17:41] >> Thank you, Mary. And a
[3:17:41] stolen necklace. And then
[3:17:45] Isabel. Still as that. You.
[3:17:51] Yes, please go ahead.
[3:17:51] >> Good night. Name is a state
[3:17:52] law and I'm here today to
[3:17:53] speak for those who can't. For
[3:17:55] those who are afraid. For
[3:17:58] those feel unsafe. And I just
[3:18:01] want let you know that. Thank
[3:18:03] you. Thank you so much. You
[3:18:06] have no idea how our community
[3:18:09] feels tonight. Once again,
[3:18:11] thank you. And I have no other
[3:18:17] words. Is fine. Your you know,
[3:18:18] this been go out put those
[3:18:23] details. Is cnn then in dose
[3:18:24] guy, the in in Middle East on
[3:18:25] a month this now stands good
[3:18:28] as the U.S.. No 7, again,
[3:18:29] Mitchell and money that is
[3:18:35] spent even most us. Thank you,
[3:18:35] Nicholas, and use a bow and
[3:18:39] Teresa.
[3:18:41] >> Nicholas Yeo Nicholas, Go
[3:18:42] ahead.
[3:18:43] >> Thank you. Good evening. My
[3:18:44] name is Nicole asked for this.
[3:18:46] I want to take the opportunity
[3:18:47] to lift up again the sanctuary
[3:18:49] coalition for the work that
[3:18:52] they've done in making this
[3:18:53] happen. And and also to
[3:18:54] acknowledge that that's come
[3:18:55] at great personal cost for all
[3:18:55] those that have been involved
[3:18:58] in this movement. The late
[3:19:00] night still organizing the
[3:19:03] stress in order to to to be at
[3:19:05] this point that we are here to
[3:19:06] date. You know, I'm I'm a
[3:19:08] relatively new resident here
[3:19:09] in Sonoma County. I'm
[3:19:11] originally from San Antonio,
[3:19:13] Texas. And after last
[3:19:14] Tuesday's one of the first
[3:19:14] times that I don't feel a
[3:19:17] little tinge of shame in
[3:19:18] saying that we're feeling like
[3:19:19] I have to over explain where
[3:19:21] I'd come from. And I'm really
[3:19:22] happy to see that cities like
[3:19:25] San Antonio, Houston and
[3:19:26] Austin are reevaluating their
[3:19:29] relationship and their
[3:19:31] policies regarding ice now
[3:19:32] understand it's been 30 years
[3:19:33] since there's been Democratic
[3:19:34] majority in Texas and it took
[3:19:37] them that long it should have
[3:19:39] taken you all a little bit
[3:19:40] faster to make this thing
[3:19:41] happen tonight. But that's my
[3:19:44] comment. Thank you.
[3:19:47] >> Thank you, Nicholas
[3:19:47] Isabella, Teresa.
[3:19:49] >> The 7 here with the
[3:19:50] sanctuary coalition. I'm
[3:19:51] really proud. First of all of
[3:19:53] the people of the women, they
[3:19:56] came together to speak up,
[3:19:56] beside feeling all the fear
[3:20:01] and still came courageously to
[3:20:02] speak about their fear and the
[3:20:03] need for this ordinance or to
[3:20:06] amend the ordinance.
[3:20:09] >> I also like to think the
[3:20:09] city staff for really sitting
[3:20:11] down with us a few times and
[3:20:12] really hearing and listening
[3:20:17] in. And making policy from
[3:20:19] that. So tonight everybody is
[3:20:22] going to feel safe. And and
[3:20:24] I'm just like really proud to
[3:20:26] be a Santa Rosa's PRESIDENT.
[3:20:26] Thank you.
[3:20:37] >> Thank yous about to reset.
[3:20:38] >> When he might maze, that is
[3:20:41] that I thank you for
[3:20:41] everything.
[3:20:42] >> more humid still needs? MAY
[3:20:50] 5, maybe. From my community.
[3:20:52] Big Thank you. Were and all of
[3:20:57] you and
[3:20:57] >> Thank you very much. Thank
[3:20:58] you for making the time to
[3:21:01] come out tonight. Alright, is
[3:21:02] there anybody else in council
[3:21:02] chambers who wishes to speak
[3:21:06] on this topic? So if you wish
[3:21:07] to speak, if you could doing
[3:21:08] right by the day and so we can
[3:21:19] move through efficiently. So
[3:21:21] you have the floor. Thank you.
[3:21:21] I don't take anything away
[3:21:23] from this lovely moment.
[3:21:27] >> But I do want to. Respond
[3:21:29] to some of the fluffy words
[3:21:31] that we've heard talking about
[3:21:33] standing up to fascism, racism
[3:21:35] and who is or isn't the enemy
[3:21:38] or whether laws matter because
[3:21:41] I was part of a group that
[3:21:41] came here for well over a year
[3:21:45] asking you to stand up for
[3:21:46] another group of people that
[3:21:48] are not going to be sleeping
[3:21:49] any better tonight as the
[3:21:51] Palestinian people that are in
[3:21:52] your community. And so just
[3:21:56] kind of remember that. I don't
[3:21:58] I I was shocked to find how
[3:22:00] how conservative the city
[3:22:03] really is and how difficult it
[3:22:06] is to move human beings to be
[3:22:07] human beings.
[3:22:08] >> And you just we were on our
[3:22:10] side on that one. And we came
[3:22:11] out for over a year. And I
[3:22:12] also want to mention that the
[3:22:13] council reports are a great
[3:22:15] place to respond to people and
[3:22:19] most city councils do Maybe
[3:22:20] consider, you know your
[3:22:20] comments and your council
[3:22:25] reports.
[3:22:26] >> Thank you. Is there anybody
[3:22:27] else in council chambers who
[3:22:29] to speak?
[3:22:30] >> Seeing none. We'll go
[3:22:34] online. MADAM Zuma host, is
[3:22:35] there online with their hand
[3:22:36] or hands raiser is Dial Star
[3:22:38] 9.
[3:22:43] >> We to Mayor.
[3:22:45] >> gonna go with Allan, but
[3:22:47] that is the only hand that I
[3:22:47] have up Anybody else wants to
[3:22:49] make a comment. Raise your
[3:22:53] hand or star 9. Alan, I have
[3:22:54] enabled your permissions. Go
[3:22:58] right ahead.
[3:23:00] >> think you really wanted to
[3:23:02] there person tonight, needed
[3:23:05] to at least call Thank
[3:23:07] everyone in security coalition
[3:23:11] who worked so hard to make
[3:23:14] this happen and everyone
[3:23:14] continuously been showing up
[3:23:17] to city Council want to thank
[3:23:19] the council as well. If they
[3:23:21] coming to you and making
[3:23:26] public comment for many, many
[3:23:31] decades. And this the the
[3:23:31] first time that I've ever
[3:23:33] actually felt heard.
[3:23:37] >> I was one of those people
[3:23:38] Jason mentioned, who was also
[3:23:40] trying to get you to pass a
[3:23:41] ceasefire resolution
[3:23:42] Palestine. That was just one
[3:23:45] of the many times we just not
[3:23:48] hurt at all. So thank you for
[3:23:49] for finally getting it right
[3:23:51] this time.
[3:23:53] >> Thank you, Allan. Moving on
[3:23:56] to Chris 10. Kristen, I've
[3:23:57] been able permissions go right
[3:24:05] ahead. Kristen. Huge step to
[3:24:17] unmute yourself. We MAY be
[3:24:18] having some technical
[3:24:32] difficulties with Kristen.
[3:24:33] Kristen, we can't hear you.
[3:24:33] You're going to have to unmute
[3:24:39] yourself. Kristen has changed
[3:24:41] her mind. Mayor, she has
[3:24:44] lowered her hand been that all
[3:24:44] she wrote.
[3:24:45] >> Thank you very much.
[3:24:46] Alright, we'll close public
[3:24:52] comment. Week. We closed in
[3:24:59] public comment wine. Go go for
[3:25:03] it. The wind.
[3:25:06] >> That I'm from Roseland. I
[3:25:07] thank you for the opportunity
[3:25:09] to speak. I know it's very
[3:25:09] difficult to give us the time
[3:25:12] you would like to. I like to
[3:25:13] thank all these people that
[3:25:15] came to speak and all the
[3:25:17] people that have come so many
[3:25:19] times before to speak and try
[3:25:21] to influence any decisions
[3:25:24] they come from this body. It's
[3:25:25] very important that we keep in
[3:25:28] mind and a Democratic
[3:25:29] situation that we listen to
[3:25:31] the folks who are the voters.
[3:25:33] We give them a chance to be
[3:25:35] heard and then act upon what
[3:25:37] has been said in the meeting.
[3:25:38] I'm very glad that you took
[3:25:41] the actions you did today. But
[3:25:42] I do believe you could be
[3:25:45] giving more time to listen to
[3:25:47] the people. And you should
[3:25:48] also taking account what that
[3:25:51] man Allen said. I've never
[3:25:53] met, but he pointed out how
[3:25:55] you ignore a lot of big issues
[3:25:57] for a long time. And then
[3:26:00] occasionally pay attention,
[3:26:01] pay attention to all the
[3:26:01] issues all the time. Thank
[3:26:07] you.
[3:26:07] >> All right. We're gonna
[3:26:08] close public comment and I'm
[3:26:09] going to bring it back to the
[3:26:11] Some looking for for a motion
[3:26:11] from this been Willows. Plus,
[3:26:18] any final discussion. If there
[3:26:18] is any but motion first,
[3:26:19] family, los, there's something
[3:26:21] on that on the table.
[3:26:23] >> Just thank you again. Thank
[3:26:23] And I thank all of you,
[3:26:29] especially. And it's really
[3:26:30] >> honor to move to adopt a
[3:26:33] resolution and introduce.
[3:26:33] >> An ordinance as presented
[3:26:40] by staff. Probably second.
[3:26:40] >> All right. We have a
[3:26:44] motion. We have a second.
[3:26:45] MADAM City clerk can call the
[3:26:47] vote whenever you're ready.
[3:26:49] >> Thank you. Mayor
[3:26:49] Councilmember Rogers, I
[3:26:52] Councilmember Macdonald, I
[3:26:53] councilmember Fleming
[3:26:54] Councilmember Ben well oath.
[3:26:55] Yes, Councilmember Alvarez
[3:26:58] Vice Mayor Okrepkie. I mayor
[3:26:59] stop. Yes. Let the record show
[3:27:09] this passes unanimously.
[3:27:10] >> Thank you. Thank you to all
[3:27:12] the commuters who came so many
[3:27:15] weeks and again to our city
[3:27:16] manager, city attorney, our
[3:27:18] legal teams. Is a lot of a lot
[3:27:19] of time. So thank you very
[3:27:19] much for shepherding this
[3:27:24] through. All right, folks,
[3:27:24] thank you. Thank you very much
[3:27:27] for coming out again. And with
[3:27:32] and with that. We're going to
[3:27:36] hop up to item 15.1. Our
[3:27:39] report on the reservoir report
[3:27:39] concerning the resolution of
[3:27:40] the city council. The city of
[3:27:43] Santa Rosa proclaiming a local
[3:27:44] emergency related the threat
[3:27:44] of severe weather storms,
[3:27:47] flooding and other hazardous
[3:27:48] conditions associated with the
[3:27:57] 2026. 2027 Nino event. Chief
[3:27:58] Westrope, thanks for being
[3:28:04] here this evening. Good
[3:28:06] evening. Thank Good evening,
[3:28:07] Mayor. Members, council
[3:28:08] SkyWest, real fire chief, the
[3:28:10] city of Santa Rosa.
[3:28:14] >> Today I am bringing forward
[3:28:17] proactive proclamation of
[3:28:20] emergency. Thank those at the
[3:28:20] end later announces interim
[3:28:21] city manager on the
[3:28:22] presentation. Delegation is
[3:28:26] the key to success. So just
[3:28:30] some real quick Keep this
[3:28:31] short. Noaa is forecasting a
[3:28:33] very strong El Nino event
[3:28:37] through the winner of 26 27.
[3:28:39] We've been working with our
[3:28:39] partners at the National
[3:28:40] Weather Service and just had a
[3:28:43] briefing recently as expects
[3:28:44] staff and just surfer some
[3:28:46] quick background on the news.
[3:28:47] And though Nick phenomenon,
[3:28:48] it's not a storm or steering
[3:28:52] series of storms. There's 100%
[3:28:53] chance of a very strong El
[3:28:53] Nino this year, actually
[3:28:56] already in it. What you're
[3:28:56] seeing with the king to the
[3:28:57] king tides in the Kelvin ties
[3:29:01] throughout the state. There's
[3:29:03] a high likelihood and 83%
[3:29:04] chance of an historic event
[3:29:05] that would exceed the strength
[3:29:05] of previous on the new events
[3:29:10] dating back to 1950. While
[3:29:11] stronger. El Nino events can
[3:29:12] more significantly tilt the
[3:29:13] odds in favor of expected
[3:29:15] outcomes beat him in a strong
[3:29:16] El Nino events do not lead to
[3:29:16] the expected impact
[3:29:21] everywhere. The message is
[3:29:22] there, that only new is here
[3:29:23] now and then you'll be here
[3:29:25] through the winter? Well, we
[3:29:26] were essentially told directly
[3:29:27] from the National Weather
[3:29:28] Service is we don't know where
[3:29:29] it's going to land if it's
[3:29:31] going to land in Santa Rosa or
[3:29:32] what the intensity will be. So
[3:29:34] it could be normal rainfall.
[3:29:35] It could very high rainfall.
[3:29:36] We're just not sure. And we
[3:29:41] won't know until it happens.
[3:29:42] This proclamation is following
[3:29:42] the state who declared a
[3:29:44] practiced emergency. SEPTEMBER
[3:29:47] 21st of 2026. And also the
[3:29:48] county of snow in the city of
[3:29:53] Cloverdale followed suit. As
[3:29:55] we all know, potential impacts
[3:29:56] for Santa Rosa will include
[3:30:00] intense rainfall, localized
[3:30:01] flooding creek in storm water.
[3:30:03] Inundation erosion, landslide
[3:30:03] s#
[3:30:03] #
[3:30:03] #
[3:30:03] #
[3:30:04] , instability, fallen
[3:30:06] trees, storm-related, debris,
[3:30:06] electrical outages,
[3:30:10] transportation public moment.
[3:30:11] >> Transportation disruptions
[3:30:12] potential damage to public
[3:30:13] infrastructure and private
[3:30:14] property. Lauren, you're
[3:30:20] Mike's on. So what are we
[3:30:26] doing to prepare? So the city
[3:30:28] is being very proactive across
[3:30:29] all departments. This is this
[3:30:32] part of the proactive
[3:30:34] approach.
[3:30:35] >> dpw has gone out and
[3:30:36] targeted specific drained
[3:30:37] repairs. Maintenance of city
[3:30:39] maintained range facilities
[3:30:41] and creeks, probably the
[3:30:42] biggest thing that we've done,
[3:30:43] the effort that we're
[3:30:44] undertaking is coordinating
[3:30:45] preparedness activities across
[3:30:47] city departments. Our
[3:30:48] emergency managers, both the
[3:30:49] playbook to make sure that all
[3:30:51] departments are proactively
[3:30:52] engaged in mitigation
[3:30:54] activities and response
[3:30:55] enhancements. We're monitoring
[3:30:56] the weather. We had the
[3:30:59] ability to monitor creek
[3:31:00] conditions through the water
[3:31:04] through Sonoma County water.
[3:31:04] We're preparing our personnel
[3:31:07] equipment, response, resources
[3:31:08] recording with our county
[3:31:10] partners and state agencies.
[3:31:13] And we are preparing in have
[3:31:14] prepared a public information
[3:31:14] and sandbag resources as
[3:31:18] warranted. So what is the
[3:31:19] proclamation do? And for
[3:31:22] formally recognize the
[3:31:22] potential threat. It
[3:31:23] establishes the framework for
[3:31:24] coordinate emergency
[3:31:27] preparedness and response. It
[3:31:28] authorizes the city manager or
[3:31:30] designee to coordinate
[3:31:30] appropriate response
[3:31:33] activities consistent with
[3:31:33] applicable law, adopted
[3:31:34] emergency plans and available
[3:31:38] appropriations. It supports
[3:31:38] coordination with the county
[3:31:39] state and regional maker
[3:31:42] Emergency Management partners,
[3:31:43] the rural choir renewal every
[3:31:44] 60 days in can be terminated
[3:31:46] when conditions warrant.
[3:31:50] Before moving on to the
[3:31:51] recommendations. The message
[3:31:52] that we want to convey is that
[3:31:54] the city is ready. We're doing
[3:31:55] everything we can to be
[3:31:56] prepared for both mitigation
[3:32:00] efforts and response efforts.
[3:32:00] We're doing everything ahead
[3:32:01] of time and rest of the
[3:32:03] community to do the same. So
[3:32:05] just like I talk about with
[3:32:07] the fire threat with water
[3:32:07] threat, every resident, every
[3:32:08] dwelling, every business,
[3:32:10] every structure will make a
[3:32:13] difference. Tips for that can
[3:32:14] be found already on sr City
[3:32:18] Dot org. Slash know me know
[3:32:19] Cierra teams put together a
[3:32:21] great Web page with the
[3:32:21] different mitigation and
[3:32:22] preparation activities for the
[3:32:25] community. And lastly, I'd
[3:32:27] like to acknowledge and thinks
[3:32:28] thank those who put this
[3:32:29] together. That would be
[3:32:30] Lindsay Dority out of the sea
[3:32:33] at city manager's office. Adam
[3:32:33] Luna out of the city
[3:32:34] attorney's office in Bregman,
[3:32:37] our emergency manager. I
[3:32:38] really had nothing to do with
[3:32:39] this other than presenting.
[3:32:40] And want to give credit where
[3:32:43] credit is due. So at that, the
[3:32:45] right to the city manager's
[3:32:46] office recommends the council
[3:32:48] by resolution proclaiming a
[3:32:51] local emergency really to the
[3:32:53] to the threat of severe winter
[3:32:53] storms, flooding and other
[3:32:54] hazardous conditions and slick
[3:32:57] associated with the 26 Nino
[3:32:58] event. With that, I will turn
[3:33:01] for any questions. Thank you.
[3:33:02] This was a very moving
[3:33:02] presentation. Chief Westrope.
[3:33:06] You did a great job. Of public
[3:33:07] input. I'm All right.
[3:33:07] Questions or questions from
[3:33:12] council.
[3:33:13] >> I guess just one from a I
[3:33:14] mean, the first city in Sonoma
[3:33:15] County to come forward with
[3:33:16] this for this ordinance will
[3:33:18] be the second cloverdale is
[3:33:23] the first. Are you kidding All
[3:33:25] right. Well, and that runs by
[3:33:28] talking point. Never mind what
[3:33:28] is where we're starting edge
[3:33:29] MAY we're still right there on
[3:33:35] the cutting We are the largest
[3:33:35] city in Seminole County to
[3:33:37] want to proactively declare an
[3:33:38] emergency. I want tell me they
[3:33:39] were first of I could I could
[3:33:41] point out that just in
[3:33:42] tonight's meeting with
[3:33:42] established that we are the
[3:33:44] most pro housing city in the
[3:33:48] state. We have the toughest
[3:33:49] immigration immigration
[3:33:52] ordinances in the North Bay.
[3:33:53] And resolution. And I want to
[3:33:54] say that we were the first
[3:33:54] stage in the most the most
[3:33:56] emergency prepared. I would I
[3:34:00] would say that is accurate.
[3:34:01] This quarter has been used to,
[3:34:02] they have an emergency
[3:34:04] vehicles. Do you have any
[3:34:06] resources? We actually have
[3:34:07] stuff we can do, right. Fire
[3:34:10] Department police Department.
[3:34:10] Okay. I'm sorry. I've lost.
[3:34:11] I've lost the thread here.
[3:34:12] Alright, let's open up the
[3:34:14] public comment. Are there any
[3:34:15] members of the public in
[3:34:16] council chambers who wish to
[3:34:16] speak? Of course, MISTER
[3:34:21] DeWitt Go for it.
[3:34:23] >> Anna, thank you for passing
[3:34:25] this. I wanted to thank the
[3:34:26] staff that's been paying
[3:34:28] attention to Roseland Creek
[3:34:30] recently. We've been talking
[3:34:31] about the need is there for a
[3:34:35] long time and in conjunction
[3:34:36] with the county and
[3:34:38] collaboration and looks like
[3:34:40] there's actually been some
[3:34:42] activity to clear the bridges.
[3:34:47] At Burbank Avenue and McMahon
[3:34:49] Avenue of the bicycle parts
[3:34:52] that the bike thieves
[3:34:52] basically reside in the
[3:34:55] Roseland Creek area. Have been
[3:34:58] storing under those bridges.
[3:34:59] So it's very important that
[3:35:02] you keep this going. We
[3:35:03] haven't had the major range
[3:35:05] yet. We've just had a few
[3:35:07] small ones. If we get the big
[3:35:09] ones going, those bike parts
[3:35:10] will flow and you'll end up
[3:35:13] having those steel parts stuck
[3:35:15] in to the branches that are
[3:35:19] along the creek over at the
[3:35:20] Rosalynn school district
[3:35:23] property to the west of the
[3:35:24] city's properties. So this is
[3:35:25] an opportunity for you, folks
[3:35:27] to be ahead of it. And I thank
[3:35:29] you again that you're doing
[3:35:32] it. And I wanted to also point
[3:35:32] out that one of the best
[3:35:37] things. About being prepared
[3:35:39] is hopefully you won't be
[3:35:41] surprised when the big rain
[3:35:42] does hit because it MAY hit
[3:35:45] when we least expected. We've
[3:35:46] had these nice days and we're
[3:35:48] just like getting lot here.
[3:35:49] But we're going to get some
[3:35:51] what my grandfather used to
[3:35:53] call goalie washers coming
[3:35:56] pretty soon. Probably so.
[3:35:57] Let's be ready for that. Thank
[3:36:01] you again for your efforts at
[3:36:03] Roseland Creek McMinn Avenue
[3:36:04] Bridge and Roseland Creek,
[3:36:06] Burbank Avenue Bridge. Keep up
[3:36:09] the good stuff. Thanks to a
[3:36:14] mri over. All We to take a
[3:36:18] drive past
[3:36:19] >> John's homeless children.
[3:36:20] Take a look at would would
[3:36:24] just turn into. Since he was
[3:36:25] there with an open. And it's
[3:36:29] change to for the worst. I
[3:36:29] drove past there and the
[3:36:33] camping in the ditch. Has
[3:36:33] grown to a massive proportion
[3:36:36] cross the street. It is huge
[3:36:41] this point. And it looks like
[3:36:42] it's apparently be entirely
[3:36:44] ignored. And, you know,
[3:36:48] camping in a ditch. That
[3:36:49] impedes the flow water. So
[3:36:49] just get them the h#
[3:36:49] #
[3:36:50] #
[3:36:54] out of
[3:36:55] >> Thank you, Michael. Is
[3:36:56] there a males in council
[3:37:00] chambers who wishes to speak?
[3:37:01] Seeing none online learning
[3:37:01] anybody online with her hand
[3:37:02] raised anybody. The All-Star
[3:37:04] 9.
[3:37:04] >> Negative mayor. I scared
[3:37:08] them all off.
[3:37:08] >> Thank you. And we will
[3:37:09] close public comment and I'll
[3:37:10] bring it back to council.
[3:37:13] MISTER Alvarez with Emotion.
[3:37:13] >> Thank you, mayor. And I
[3:37:14] like to make a motion to adopt
[3:37:17] a resolution as presented by
[3:37:19] staff All right. We have a
[3:37:20] motion with a second by MISS
[3:37:21] McDonald. MADAM City Clerk can
[3:37:22] call a vote whenever you're
[3:37:22] ready.
[3:37:24] >> Thank you. Councilmember
[3:37:26] Rogers, Councilmember
[3:37:28] MacDonald, I councilmember
[3:37:29] Fleming Councilmember Ben
[3:37:31] Willows. Yes, Councilmember
[3:37:31] Alvarez.
[3:37:35] >> Vice mayor a cookie. Maher
[3:37:37] step. Yes. Let the record show
[3:37:38] this passes. 6 affirmative
[3:37:38] votes and Vice Mayor Crappie
[3:37:41] absent.
[3:37:42] >> All right. Thank you very
[3:37:43] much. All right. Now we're
[3:37:44] know, we're clicking along.
[3:37:46] Let's go back and do some of
[3:37:48] the earlier items starting
[3:37:48] with item 6, our report, if
[3:37:50] any on closed session Crocker,
[3:37:52] any report from closed
[3:37:53] session.
[3:37:54] >> Thank you, mayor. The
[3:37:56] council did meet in closed
[3:37:57] session direction was given to
[3:37:58] staff, but no reportable
[3:38:00] actions were taken.
[3:38:01] >> Thank you very much. All
[3:38:03] right. We'll go to item 8.1.
[3:38:04] Our community Empowerment Plan
[3:38:09] update. Didn't MISS Horta or
[3:38:09] MISS Wood? Alright, misty,
[3:38:18] come on down
[3:38:19] >> all right. Good evening,
[3:38:20] mayor and council members
[3:38:24] Misti Wood community. Forgive
[3:38:26] me if communications and
[3:38:27] intergovernmental relations
[3:38:27] officer presenting the
[3:38:28] community Empowerment Plan
[3:38:31] update on behalf of Anna or
[3:38:31] i'm gonna switch it up a
[3:38:34] little bit and just talk about
[3:38:35] result from 2 recent events of
[3:38:38] that and then go into some
[3:38:39] upcoming events. Santa Rosa
[3:38:40] Police Department hosted a
[3:38:40] really successful trunk or
[3:38:42] treat on OCTOBER 29th that I
[3:38:43] think most of you, if not all
[3:38:44] of you were there and
[3:38:46] sometimes in costume, the
[3:38:48] event brought together about
[3:38:51] 4,000 attendees for treats a
[3:38:52] petting zoo and community
[3:38:53] building and relationship
[3:38:54] building. So thank you to
[3:38:54] everybody who attended that
[3:38:55] and for the police department
[3:38:56] for their efforts and putting
[3:38:59] that on. And next we had about
[3:39:00] 340 community members
[3:39:02] participate in the Southeast
[3:39:04] Greenway, English Language
[3:39:06] workshop on NOVEMBER 4th at
[3:39:07] about 50 committee members
[3:39:08] participate in the Spanish
[3:39:08] language workshop. The
[3:39:12] following day. So we
[3:39:13] appreciate everybody who
[3:39:13] showed up to share their
[3:39:14] vision for what the Southeast
[3:39:15] Greenway could look like in
[3:39:18] time. Looking ahead to the
[3:39:19] holidays, we have that Santa
[3:39:21] was a turkey trot at Old
[3:39:23] Courthouse Square on NOVEMBER.
[3:39:25] 26th that starts at 08:30am
[3:39:26] and that benefits the Redwood
[3:39:29] Empire Food Bank. Several city
[3:39:29] departments will be there as
[3:39:33] well participating. On
[3:39:34] NOVEMBER 27th. We have the
[3:39:36] annual tree lighting ceremony
[3:39:37] in courthouse square from
[3:39:38] 04:00pm to 07:00pm. This is a
[3:39:39] big one that's been going on
[3:39:40] for more than 40 years. We'll
[3:39:41] have our police department and
[3:39:43] fire department there. And
[3:39:44] it's a good time to come out,
[3:39:45] build community support, local
[3:39:49] businesses. Next up, we have
[3:39:50] our holiday toy Drive, which
[3:39:52] is being hosted by Santa Rosa
[3:39:54] Police Department. So now
[3:39:55] through DECEMBER 13th, if you
[3:39:58] are able to do so we are
[3:39:58] requesting new unwrapped toys
[3:40:01] for children of all ages. I
[3:40:02] will just say typically older
[3:40:04] children get left out of these
[3:40:05] things. So I would consider if
[3:40:06] you're going to donate to look
[3:40:07] for those older teenager
[3:40:10] teenager appropriate gifts,
[3:40:11] toys can be dropped off at the
[3:40:12] police department. Front lobby
[3:40:16] at 9.65 Sonoma Avenue and last
[3:40:17] but not least the Violence
[3:40:17] Prevention Partnership
[3:40:18] Committee survey is still
[3:40:20] going. It closes on NOVEMBER.
[3:40:22] 12th. We encourage everybody
[3:40:23] to share their thoughts on
[3:40:25] youth violence. King
[3:40:27] participation and city
[3:40:28] violence prevention part
[3:40:29] priorities at sr City Dot org.
[3:40:32] Slash the partnership. That
[3:40:33] concludes my report for this
[3:40:34] evening. And I'm available for
[3:40:35] any questions. The council MAY
[3:40:37] have. Thank you very much.
[3:40:38] Looking to council for any
[3:40:42] questions.
[3:40:45] >> Now just us, confirmation
[3:40:46] on the great events to trunk
[3:40:49] or Also that the Greenway
[3:40:50] Questor the Greenway community
[3:40:51] gathering the informational
[3:40:53] session. They were both packed
[3:40:54] and great energy. Thank you.
[3:40:54] Thank you so much to for
[3:40:58] assisting with those. What a
[3:40:58] public comment. Anybody in
[3:41:00] council chambers which
[3:41:00] department wish to comment on
[3:41:03] on any of these reports.
[3:41:04] Seeing online. Lauren, anybody
[3:41:05] online with her hand and
[3:41:06] raised.
[3:41:10] >> Nope.
[3:41:11] >> All right. We will. We will
[3:41:12] close this item. Misty, thank
[3:41:13] you very much for filling in
[3:41:16] for an a on to item 9. Our
[3:41:17] city manager and city
[3:41:19] attorneys reports. Manager,
[3:41:23] not anything from you. I thank
[3:41:23] you, Mayor. I've just one
[3:41:25] quick thing to announce really
[3:41:26] excited that the Kiwanis
[3:41:29] Springs Community Park Gardens
[3:41:29] Project received the 2026
[3:41:30] North Bay Business Journal's
[3:41:32] Excellence in Construction
[3:41:34] Award.
[3:41:34] >> The annual recognition
[3:41:35] Recognition highlights 20 of
[3:41:37] the North Bay's most inspiring
[3:41:39] construction projects and
[3:41:40] designs. And this gardens
[3:41:40] project is anticipated to be
[3:41:42] completed by the end of
[3:41:45] NOVEMBER brain. This new space
[3:41:46] for gardening and community
[3:41:46] connection. One step closer to
[3:41:49] opening for residents. Also
[3:41:50] want to congratulate our city
[3:41:52] Staff Project Partners and
[3:41:52] community members whose
[3:41:53] efforts helped bring this
[3:41:55] project to life. And if you're
[3:41:56] interested in learning more
[3:41:57] about that, you can go to sr
[3:42:00] City Dot org forward slash
[3:42:00] Cohen, a springs park and
[3:42:04] gardens. And that concludes my
[3:42:05] report. Thank you very much.
[3:42:08] MADAM City, Attorney.
[3:42:08] >> Thank you, mayor. No
[3:42:12] reports this evening. Thank
[3:42:14] you public comment. Any member
[3:42:14] of the public in council
[3:42:15] chambers wish to comment the
[3:42:18] report. Seeing none of online.
[3:42:19] Lauren, anybody online with
[3:42:22] her hand raised.
[3:42:25] >> Same here. No takers.
[3:42:28] >> Alright, we'll close public
[3:42:29] comment and go on item 11. Our
[3:42:31] mayor and Councilmembers
[3:42:32] reports any any reports or any
[3:42:33] members of council this
[3:42:34] evening, Ms Rogers, you can
[3:42:35] start us off.
[3:42:40] >> I I will be quick. Wanted
[3:42:42] Srpd in the city departments
[3:42:44] that participated in our trunk
[3:42:49] or treat. It was a lot of fun.
[3:42:50] >> Councilmember MacDonald,
[3:42:51] mayor was there Councilmember
[3:42:53] Ben way Love I think was I the
[3:42:57] only one dress that but either
[3:43:00] way, it was a lot of fun and
[3:43:04] also want to
[3:43:04] >> report that there was a
[3:43:05] lack intact meeting on
[3:43:08] NOVEMBER. Second, it it was
[3:43:10] the last meeting.
[3:43:14] >> For a
[3:43:15] >> supervisor David Rabbit. So
[3:43:18] he was acknowledged along with
[3:43:21] other members of of the whack
[3:43:24] that will not be with us as we
[3:43:26] continue along either because
[3:43:30] they will not be appointed Orr
[3:43:32] that they will not be sitting
[3:43:35] on local Thank them for for
[3:43:37] their service second annual
[3:43:44] tunnels to attack Powers 5 k
[3:43:46] was this past was able to see
[3:43:51] the mayor there stop by. But a
[3:43:54] big thank you to Chad hedge
[3:43:58] our parking manager. And I
[3:43:59] will go into saying that
[3:44:02] tomorrow is Veterans Day and
[3:44:05] at 10 30, we will be meeting
[3:44:06] here at City Hall at the flag
[3:44:09] pole for a flag raising. So
[3:44:13] thank you to our local
[3:44:16] veterans for putting this
[3:44:17] together we will be hearing
[3:44:22] from 3 speakers, 2 of which
[3:44:23] are I very Santa Rosa Fire in
[3:44:27] center of the pd, but they
[3:44:28] will be speaking about
[3:44:31] continued service. So not only
[3:44:34] did they serve in the
[3:44:34] military, an armed forces, but
[3:44:36] they actually continue to come
[3:44:38] back to the community and
[3:44:40] serve. So we would like to
[3:44:41] thank them for speaking
[3:44:45] tomorrow and it. Although
[3:44:48] she's gone. I do want this is
[3:44:49] my last time that I can do
[3:44:52] this. But I remember
[3:44:53] Victoria's Birthday,
[3:44:54] Councilmember Fleming, which
[3:44:56] is tomorrow. Wish her a happy
[3:44:58] birthday because she asked me
[3:45:00] my first year of council. What
[3:45:03] are you doing tomorrow? And I
[3:45:04] said, oh, nothing. And she
[3:45:05] said you're going to come to
[3:45:09] that. The Veterans Day event
[3:45:10] it was at that time that I
[3:45:13] fell in love and cottages kept
[3:45:15] it push in and making sure
[3:45:17] that every year that it is
[3:45:19] just bigger and better and
[3:45:21] greater. So happy birthday.
[3:45:23] Big story of family planning.
[3:45:27] Thank you. MISS McDonald.
[3:45:28] Thank you, mayor. Just a few
[3:45:29] things to report. I want to
[3:45:31] thank Sonoma State for hosting
[3:45:33] the economic development
[3:45:34] class.
[3:45:37] >> the PRESIDENT Of Sonoma
[3:45:38] State had a couple great
[3:45:40] remarks and I love Snapple
[3:45:41] facts. For those of you
[3:45:43] remember that commercial. But
[3:45:45] he said there's 6.5 million
[3:45:48] people in the state of
[3:45:49] California that have started
[3:45:51] on their degree but haven't
[3:45:52] finished yet. And because of
[3:45:54] the debt that they've incurred
[3:45:55] in those student loans, that
[3:45:56] it's actually worse for them
[3:45:56] than if they had just
[3:45:58] graduated high school and had
[3:46:00] a diploma. And one of the
[3:46:01] things that they suggested we
[3:46:04] do is as employers as we
[3:46:05] really commit to helping
[3:46:07] people finish those degrees so
[3:46:09] that they can move on. So I
[3:46:10] just want to thank him for his
[3:46:11] comments and for hosting. That
[3:46:13] was a great event. I along
[3:46:14] with Councilmember Rogers
[3:46:19] Mayor stop as well as
[3:46:19] councilmember our as attended
[3:46:23] the foresees championed for
[3:46:25] children luncheon this year.
[3:46:25] And they raised about
[3:46:30] $141,000. If I recall and just
[3:46:31] want to say thank you for the
[3:46:31] invitation to attend that they
[3:46:35] got some money from some of
[3:46:36] us. I think it's great. Want
[3:46:38] to congratulate the winners of
[3:46:41] that. We met with our federal
[3:46:44] legislative partners this
[3:46:46] morning about the landscape of
[3:46:46] what's going on federally. And
[3:46:50] I want to congratulate our new
[3:46:52] Congress and my choir on his
[3:46:53] win as well as Melanie Jones
[3:46:56] Carter, who will be joining us
[3:46:57] and the new feature on center
[3:47:01] of the City Council. And last
[3:47:03] I want to say thank you to
[3:47:04] Christian who is on my arts
[3:47:08] community. I commissioned for
[3:47:09] taking me out to Howard Park
[3:47:12] to see the monarch butterflies
[3:47:13] while they were there, they're
[3:47:14] giant knew it was really a
[3:47:16] cool thing to go and see
[3:47:17] should maybe go for a walk
[3:47:17] with my pug dog in both of us.
[3:47:22] Want to die. So thank you,
[3:47:23] Kristen, for getting me out
[3:47:24] there and and thank you the
[3:47:25] Arts Committee for having that
[3:47:31] our part for us enjoy. Thank
[3:47:33] Are already just 3, 3 super
[3:47:35] quick 3 super quick ones for
[3:47:36] me.
[3:47:37] >> So as we talked about
[3:47:39] earlier center was and leaves
[3:47:40] leads the east, the region in
[3:47:43] terms of housing and immigrant
[3:47:45] community and our emergency
[3:47:47] response. But there's a 4th
[3:47:48] way in which we meet our
[3:47:48] community, which became
[3:47:49] apparent this week at the
[3:47:50] Sonoma Clean Power Board
[3:47:53] meeting where clean power will
[3:47:55] now be forming and sharing a
[3:47:56] statewide group focused on
[3:47:59] pushing for geothermal
[3:48:00] exploration with particular
[3:48:01] reference to our region. We
[3:48:01] already have the world's
[3:48:02] largest geothermal field and
[3:48:03] want to do more. And some
[3:48:06] clean power's leading the way.
[3:48:07] And it's amazing that that it
[3:48:08] is, you know, here, our
[3:48:08] region, our city, that helping
[3:48:12] to push that forward. And then
[3:48:13] secondly, have posted a week
[3:48:14] ago here in council chambers,
[3:48:16] the young entrepreneur
[3:48:18] showcase thanks to staff for
[3:48:20] helping to put that together.
[3:48:21] We had I forget how many
[3:48:22] students, young students who
[3:48:25] had viable business is really
[3:48:26] impressive, viable businesses.
[3:48:28] They came. They gave their
[3:48:29] pitch. They received some some
[3:48:29] seed money in return to help
[3:48:33] them grow their businesses. It
[3:48:33] was it's exactly what we need
[3:48:34] the community and thanks again
[3:48:38] to the and made that possible.
[3:48:39] And then finally, just a
[3:48:40] general saying so I'm sure is
[3:48:42] shared by everybody here on
[3:48:43] the Thank you to the residents
[3:48:45] of Santa Rosa for supporting
[3:48:47] measure out. We've got that.
[3:48:49] We've got the pd here in the
[3:48:50] House by all means what we
[3:48:51] want that to be want our
[3:48:52] residents to know how
[3:48:53] appreciative we are of that of
[3:48:54] the community's trust in the
[3:48:56] leadership here in the city
[3:48:58] and their awareness of what
[3:48:59] measure Al that funding will
[3:49:00] do to maintain public services
[3:49:02] and to keep center is a
[3:49:03] strong. So just allowed thanks
[3:49:06] to to all of our residents.
[3:49:07] And with that, we will go to
[3:49:10] public comment on our mayor.
[3:49:11] Councilmembers reports. Are
[3:49:11] there any members of the
[3:49:13] public wish to speak on any of
[3:49:21] those items? Dwayne us off.
[3:49:21] >> Thank former Mayor Natalie
[3:49:24] Rogers for comments just a
[3:49:28] moment ago about Veterans Day.
[3:49:28] And the effort says she's been
[3:49:30] putting forward for the last
[3:49:32] few years. I really like to
[3:49:34] also kind of re emphasize a
[3:49:36] couple things and it starts
[3:49:37] 10:30am, in the morning out
[3:49:38] there and that they raise the
[3:49:42] flag 11. One of the best
[3:49:43] things, Vols, if you'll open
[3:49:45] up the toilets a 10. There's a
[3:49:48] lot of folks that come here
[3:49:48] and they don't know the
[3:49:50] combination to those toilets
[3:49:53] over there and then also
[3:49:54] unlock the electric boxes over
[3:49:55] here so we can make sure we
[3:49:56] got the tower and then I
[3:50:00] locked the flag poles.
[3:50:00] Sometimes that doesn't get
[3:50:01] done. We want to have
[3:50:02] everything is smooth as
[3:50:05] possible because lie. Former
[3:50:06] Mayor Rogers says she wants a
[3:50:08] bigger and better and this is
[3:50:10] the way it's going to get
[3:50:11] there. So thank you for doing
[3:50:12] that. Thank you for your
[3:50:14] report. Rogers. Thank you to
[3:50:22] Wayne Michael.
[3:50:24] >> Some claim Con job urge
[3:50:25] everybody talked out of was
[3:50:27] cooked up by some. Covid Thai
[3:50:31] people who wanted to somehow
[3:50:32] make money off you know,
[3:50:35] electricity and settlement Pg
[3:50:40] e manage better people not to
[3:50:40] And second Lien Metro was a
[3:50:43] con job. His primary intent
[3:50:47] was to. Keep a lot of cops on
[3:50:49] the payroll so they can chase
[3:50:49] around after Nord norge. Hey,
[3:50:53] news. Distributing the drugs
[3:50:58] and all that stuff. 9 fights
[3:50:59] you know, ghost guns and all
[3:51:05] nonsense. Really? It wasn't
[3:51:05] needed. It could have hand
[3:51:09] with a. Sound budgetary
[3:51:11] decisions to type the year.
[3:51:13] Previous city manager proposal
[3:51:17] you refuse to enact. So I
[3:51:18] would say that the voters and
[3:51:23] there's some cells. They
[3:51:24] showed a lot of common sense.
[3:51:26] And now you've got sales tax
[3:51:29] to 10 and a half percent,
[3:51:30] which is really harm small
[3:51:30] businesses, restaurants and
[3:51:34] all kind of things. So I
[3:51:35] disagree with virtually
[3:51:36] everything that was said
[3:51:37] during council member in a new
[3:51:42] report. All right. Thank you,
[3:51:43] Michel. Anybody else in
[3:51:44] council chambers. Please go
[3:51:47] ahead.
[3:51:48] >> Good evening. Thank you so
[3:51:49] much. I just I'm confused
[3:51:51] about the comment I heard
[3:51:53] earlier about the limitations
[3:51:56] for city council to respond to
[3:51:58] your citizens. I've actually
[3:51:59] seen it. I've seen comments
[3:52:02] being responded to in the past
[3:52:04] and these council reports are
[3:52:06] seemed like as far as how the
[3:52:08] agenda goes and what your
[3:52:09] rules are, unless I'm
[3:52:10] mistaken. That's the place for
[3:52:12] you to respond to comments
[3:52:15] from from the public. So many
[3:52:16] other city council's take this
[3:52:17] approach and of course, you
[3:52:19] are a city council's so you
[3:52:23] can make the rules and for
[3:52:24] more interaction, more direct
[3:52:26] response to your citizens,
[3:52:27] which is why we come to these
[3:52:28] meetings in the first place.
[3:52:32] We used to have 3 minutes. I
[3:52:33] just had a minute in order to
[3:52:35] share my thoughts with you on
[3:52:37] a really momentous moment.
[3:52:39] Just not enough time that I've
[3:52:41] been sitting on this meeting
[3:52:45] since it started 4. So yeah, I
[3:52:46] jumped out of 4 and was
[3:52:47] listening. And so I only got a
[3:52:48] minute to talk. So I think we
[3:52:51] could do better. I think you
[3:52:52] can the rules, whatever it is
[3:52:54] you need to do. But we'd love
[3:52:58] to hear responses during your
[3:52:58] city Council reports. Thank
[3:53:01] you. Thank you. Anybody else
[3:53:05] in council chambers.
[3:53:06] >> Seeing none. We'll go
[3:53:07] online. Born anybody online.
[3:53:09] With her hand raised. No
[3:53:13] mayor, no one's here. Thank.
[3:53:14] Thank you, Lauren. Alright,
[3:53:16] we'll close public comment and
[3:53:17] move on to item 12. Our
[3:53:19] approval of minutes. Are there
[3:53:20] any edits to our one set of
[3:53:24] minutes? All right. What a
[3:53:24] public comment. Any public
[3:53:28] comment on the minutes. In
[3:53:30] council chambers seeing none.
[3:53:31] We'll go online warning on
[3:53:32] their hands anyone in line
[3:53:33] with her hand raised with with
[3:53:37] comments on the minutes. Close
[3:53:38] public comment and we adopt
[3:53:41] the minutes as submitted. All
[3:53:42] right. Which brings us to our
[3:53:45] consent items. We have items,
[3:53:45] 13.1 through 13.5 on the
[3:53:48] agenda this evening. Are there
[3:53:49] any questions on any of these
[3:53:50] items looking to my
[3:53:54] colleagues. Seeing none over
[3:53:55] the public comment any members
[3:53:56] of the public like to comment
[3:53:57] any of these items, MR. De
[3:54:00] Wit, you have the floor.
[3:54:01] >> My name is joined with I'm
[3:54:04] from Roseland. This situation
[3:54:08] of 13.4 where you use the
[3:54:10] community development block
[3:54:11] grants and the dri think
[3:54:12] stands for the disaster
[3:54:16] recovery. So a lot of folks in
[3:54:17] the community understand how
[3:54:19] such a large amount of money
[3:54:21] has been coming through the
[3:54:23] city. But then we're not seen
[3:54:24] it actually going towards some
[3:54:28] of the things we feel need to
[3:54:30] be improved if you will
[3:54:36] recovered. The fire was 9
[3:54:37] years ago. There's a lot of
[3:54:38] stuff that didn't get done.
[3:54:41] And a lot of places during
[3:54:42] this time. And 35 million
[3:54:44] dollars is a lot of money and
[3:54:48] we don't really and accounting
[3:54:54] of I haven't found
[3:54:55] >> item by item on a team that
[3:54:56] shows us where the money's
[3:54:59] been spent and how this stuff
[3:55:02] goes. So I'd like for you
[3:55:04] perhaps put together better
[3:55:05] reports for the public to
[3:55:06] understand how these large
[3:55:08] amounts of money are being
[3:55:13] utilized. Thank you kindly.
[3:55:13] >> Thank you to Wayne. Are
[3:55:14] there any other members of the
[3:55:15] public would like in council
[3:55:19] chambers would like to speak?
[3:55:19] Seeing none. We'll go online
[3:55:20] learning. Is there anybody in
[3:55:22] line with their hands raised?
[3:55:26] Negative? Alright, we'll close
[3:55:27] public comment and I'm going
[3:55:27] to work to MISS Been wheeless
[3:55:32] from Ocean. I move to approve
[3:55:35] consent items. 13.1.
[3:55:36] >> Through 13.5 as presented
[3:55:39] by staff.
[3:55:40] >> All right. We have a
[3:55:42] motion. We have a second by
[3:55:43] MISS Rogers and city clerk.
[3:55:44] You can call the vote whenever
[3:55:49] you're reading. Thank you.
[3:55:52] Mayor Councilmember Rogers,
[3:55:53] Councilmember MacDonald, I
[3:55:56] councilmember Fleming.
[3:55:57] Councilmember Ben Yes,
[3:56:01] Councilmember Alvarez. I vice
[3:56:02] Mayor Crappie Maher, stop. Let
[3:56:04] the record show this 5
[3:56:05] affirmative votes and council
[3:56:08] members. Vice Cookie and
[3:56:11] Councilmember Fleming absent.
[3:56:14] Thank you. MADAM City Clerk.
[3:56:16] Alright, we were I would just
[3:56:16] note for the public that item
[3:56:18] 7 there is there is one
[3:56:18] written communication
[3:56:19] regarding our quarterly
[3:56:20] boards, commissions and
[3:56:21] committees attendants report.
[3:56:23] >> We move on to our final
[3:56:23] item for the evening. Our
[3:56:25] public comment on non agenda
[3:56:26] matters. Are there any members
[3:56:28] of the public who would like
[3:56:29] to make comment on any items
[3:56:31] not listed on the agenda, MR.
[3:56:34] Do it. You can start as usual
[3:56:35] >> yes, thank you, sir. I
[3:56:35] appreciated my name is Dwayne
[3:56:40] Do with it. I'm from Roseland.
[3:56:41] It's nice to see in the
[3:56:42] description of the public
[3:56:44] comment on this item is that
[3:56:46] it could be up to 3 minutes
[3:56:50] and for decades, that was the
[3:56:52] standard that this council 3
[3:56:55] minutes for comments from the
[3:56:58] public on various items.
[3:57:00] Recently, it's been changed by
[3:57:05] Fiona, if you will. Somebody
[3:57:06] that's too long. 3 minutes for
[3:57:07] those people to speak. And
[3:57:12] then. While things were
[3:57:13] happening in the last few mint
[3:57:16] meetings. Comments were made
[3:57:18] about. We had time to kill.
[3:57:22] That. The people but the dies
[3:57:23] down there were like, well, we
[3:57:26] got we got time. We've got
[3:57:27] extra time. So we'll just talk
[3:57:28] about this year. We'll talk
[3:57:31] about that. And that kind of
[3:57:34] grates up on people. They look
[3:57:37] at it like wait a second.
[3:57:38] Here's the folks who are paid
[3:57:40] to be here. The public comes
[3:57:43] and sits for hours. To try to
[3:57:45] participate on things. And
[3:57:46] then you limit the amount of
[3:57:47] time that they can
[3:57:50] participate. That's actually a
[3:57:51] bit of a smack in the face to
[3:57:53] him. You MAY not see that
[3:57:55] because your busy thinking we
[3:57:58] have work to do and it's up to
[3:58:00] us. Well, actually, it's up to
[3:58:02] the voters to the taxpayers,
[3:58:04] the people who just basically
[3:58:06] gave you a free ride on some
[3:58:09] big money coming up now. And
[3:58:11] you didn't really have that
[3:58:12] many discussions at length
[3:58:15] about this. So I'd like you to
[3:58:16] see the opportunity to put 3
[3:58:19] minutes back in there. There's
[3:58:20] no good reason not to have 3
[3:58:22] minutes for public comment.
[3:58:23] The people from the public to
[3:58:26] come here should be respected.
[3:58:28] There's almost a cavalier
[3:58:28] disregard on the part of some
[3:58:31] of the elected officials here
[3:58:32] and some of the paid staff are
[3:58:34] doing really well financially
[3:58:35] that like, oh, you're bother
[3:58:39] to us. Thanks to Wayne. Are
[3:58:41] there any other members of
[3:58:42] public would like to speak?
[3:58:43] Michael, are you making your
[3:58:45] way to podium?
[3:58:50] >> Thank you I would like to
[3:58:51] see in a county of how much
[3:58:52] police real resources are
[3:58:55] going to chase you around the.
[3:58:58] Gang members responding to a
[3:59:03] fight Knife encounters and
[3:59:04] shootings to their gang
[3:59:09] related. I think public would
[3:59:10] be shocked to to the level of
[3:59:12] gang activity in Santa Rosa.
[3:59:13] How much public funds are
[3:59:18] being. Directed towards it.
[3:59:19] You know, and this just really
[3:59:23] getting worse. I want point
[3:59:23] out that I submitted a written
[3:59:29] online. Public comment and I'm
[3:59:29] surprised you order me to not
[3:59:32] speak. Since I did submit
[3:59:34] Sunday driving. But what I
[3:59:38] submitted was censored. And it
[3:59:40] had to do was like the police
[3:59:41] response to Montgomery High
[3:59:46] School in OCTOBER. 20th.
[3:59:47] Massive number of police
[3:59:48] officers were sent there. And
[3:59:52] the reason that goes on
[3:59:52] Montgomery High School is
[3:59:55] infested with Norte Angels.
[3:59:58] And think they own the place.
[3:59:59] And they're just constantly
[4:00:01] getting into fights. And I
[4:00:02] included the now a couple of
[4:00:07] pictures of presumably one of
[4:00:12] these gang affiliated Usu You
[4:00:13] know, Cotton caught on video
[4:00:14] fighting in front of school.
[4:00:19] You And they're just crowd
[4:00:20] around and they're like
[4:00:21] cheering them on and enjoy it.
[4:00:22] And all that. You know, the
[4:00:25] idea that we're spending. So
[4:00:29] much public resources, Joey is
[4:00:30] just ridiculous and shows
[4:00:36] total lack of leadership.
[4:00:37] Always uplifting thank you,
[4:00:37] Michel. Anybody else in
[4:00:38] council chambers wish to
[4:00:40] speak.
[4:00:41] >> Seeing none. We'll go
[4:00:44] online. Lorne.
[4:00:47] >> Our zoom is gone. Quiet.
[4:00:48] Mayor, when folks we are
[4:00:49] officially adjourned. Thank