Oh, there he is.
» We good?
>> Um, welcome to Santa Quinn City Council
regular meeting. Happy, uh, St.
Patrick's Day. It's the 17th of March.
So, uh, good to have you all here and,
uh, we'll get underway.
>> We'll dispense with the roll call as
everyone is present. Excuse me. and
would like to ask if someone would like
to lead us in a pledge of allegiance.
>> I'll be glad to.
>> We got a scout.
>> We have a boy scout.
>> Step up.
>> Don't say no to that.
>> Step up to the microphone.
>> A man in uniform. Yes.
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America
>> and to the republic for which it stands,
one nation under God, indivisible, with
liberty and justice for all.
>> Thank you. I'd like to also ask if
someone would like to offer an
inspirational thought or give us an
invocation.
Mayor, I'd be happy to do that.
>> Okay. Thank you.
>> Our father in heaven, we come before
thee at this time and thank thee for the
opportunity we have to be here this
evening to discuss the needs and
concerns and items of business in San
Quinn City. We ask thy spirit to be with
us and we ask you to to please bless our
public safety and our public works and
all of our employees that they can be
safe as they go about serving our
community and our residents. And we ask
thee to to do the same for us as we're
here serving this night. and watch over
our families as we're away from them
that we may return home safely. We're
grateful for all of our many blessings
and all acknowledge thy hand in all
things. And we say this in the name of
thy son Jesus Christ. Amen.
>> Amen.
>> Thank you. Um I need to know if any of
the council have a declaration of a
potential conflict of interest on any of
the items that we're going to discuss
tonight.
>> Seeing none, we'll move on and we'll go
to the consent agenda. um start with
minutes of March the 3rd for the work
session. We've had a chance to read
through them. Are there any additions or
corrections? Any items that need to be
brought up?
Seeing none, we'll move on to uh the 3rd
of March for the regular council
meeting. Same question.
No issues. Then we'll move on to the
27th of February, the council budget
meeting, planning meeting minutes. Um,
any issues or anything you want to bring
up?
>> No.
>> And, uh, the 28th uh, council budget
planning meeting minutes.
Same question. Can um,
can we include the the printouts? You
have the PDFs, Snorm. Um
>> I I thought we had done that.
>> We just we just have what I presented on
the presentation, not the printouts.
>> Oh,
>> that I handed out printed out.
>> Oh, okay. So, yes, we can if you'll just
make that part of your motion. We can
add those to that. And I apologize. I
thought we had those in there, but we'll
make sure we get them. You're talking
about the electronic files that you sent
to me.
>> Yes. That then we made the print outs
from.
>> There's three three groups of them.
Those I still had at home. So,
>> yeah. Yeah.
>> I guess I could bring the papers in. I
have he's got the PS too quickly.
>> I've got them electronically. I'll get
those to Stephanie if you'll just make
that part of your motion.
>> Yeah.
>> Sorry about that. I thought we have
that.
>> It's not that big of a deal. That's why
I'm bring it up now. It's not a big
deal. So,
>> okay. Final item with the consent agenda
are the bills. Uh
>> February 28th through March 13th,
649,64550.
» Any questions or
>> I I have a question. What's with the
tablets? Um, was it Are we paying for
service for like tablets?
>> Yes. So, we have you'll see on our bills
that we have lots of service. We have
hotspots. We have tablets that have
hotspots.
>> Um, everything from our fire department
to our police to our public works
department. and our public works are
have an incredible system that
engineering has put together where they
can actually take a tablet or their
phone and go out on the street and say,
"Yep, that valve is buried right here
under the asphalt or under the road base
or something like that." So, I'm not
sure which ones these are, but yes,
multiple departments have multiple
tablets and and many of those tablets
have cell service on them as well.
>> Okay. Yeah. Anything else?
>> Okay. Uh, we've discussed all those
items, the minutes and the bills. I
would entertain a motion on on the
consent agenda.
>> I'll make that motion to approve the
consent agenda adding um the four
handout packets um that are missing that
uh we'll add later
>> for for the budget planning meeting.
>> For the budget planning meeting,
perfect.
>> I'll second it.
>> Moved and seconded. Travis
>> I Lynn
>> I Jeff
>> I
>> Art I.
>> Brian
>> I motion passed. We can go on to public
forum. And did anybody sign up?
>> Yes.
» I thought Stephanie signed up.
Wait, what?
>> Yes, I'm gonna say something.
>> Usually I see those a little earlier.
>> Gotcha.
Okay,
good. Uh, first part, however, uh, for
the public forum, I've asked our new
royalty to come tonight. I had a
wonderful evening the other night and,
uh, we didn't have time to get it on the
agenda and so I asked you to come and be
a part of our public forum. And so, um,
what I would like you to do is stand up
and introduce yourself, each of you, and
you can all just walk up together. It's
kind of a team thing you got going on.
And then, um, that way we can kind of
make sure the names are straight. And,
uh, there may be some questions. You
know, dogs, bag pipes, or opera, you
know, could be the total of of where we
go from here. But um I would I would
like you to stand up just take a a
minute or two each and and but come up
together and then afterwards we want to
picture with the whole council in front
of here. So guys, you need to look
better.
>> Yeah, I have no hope.
>> Step up to the microphone.
>> Just got my hair done.
So, so yeah, please introduce yourselves
and make sure that everybody aware is
aware.
>> These are our new confused royalty.
>> They're brand new. It's okay.
>> From just last Saturday, right?
>> Three days of experience with this. So,
>> okay.
>> My name is Jamie Suninger. I am your
Miss Santa Quinn 2026 and I'm super
excited to have this position. I've been
wanting to be Miss Sanquinn for a total
of three years. I do live in Ganola, but
I still feel like part of Santa Quinn.
I've probably spent I sleep in Janola. I
say I live in Santa Quinn normally.
>> Um
>> same zip code.
Same everything
basically. So yes.
>> Um my would you like to hear about my
platform and my plans for that?
>> Yes, please.
>> My platform is bridging music, bridging
generations of music. I'll cut all the
fluffy stuff, but basically I am going
to be create visiting seniors and
especially longtime residents of Sanquin
and veterans and making a living
database that um our Sanquin residents
can access to learn more about the
history and the people of our town. And
I will also be organizing music and
dance events to be free for our citizens
to come to.
>> And what's your zip code? Uh 84655.
Okay.
>> We're good to go.
>> Can we annex them in tonight? And
>> I'm gonna let you talk to Mayor Brown
about that.
>> So, uh
>> annexation
>> first attendant. So, uh Jenna,
» uh
my name is Jenna Mlen. I am your first
attendant for 2026.
Um I am very excited to be here. I don't
know like a whole ton. I've never been
to a a city council meeting before, so
this is really exciting and I'm super
excited to meet all of you. Um,
yeah, I I don't know what else to share
about myself.
>> Tell these guys what you did. Well, most
of us were there, but tell them what you
did for your talent because it was
amazing.
>> Oh, thank you. Thank you. I I sang
opera. So, I sang um an Arya titled
Quando Manvo from the opera Labo. It's
in Italian. It was super fun and had a
really good time. It
>> was incredible.
>> Thank you. You're so
>> It was Okay. Thank you, Paisley.
>> Hi guys. My name is Paisley Terry. I am
this year's second attendant. Um I go to
school at PAC High. I am a junior and I
am the vice president of my FFA chapter.
Um I did dog dancing for my talent. Love
you a lot.
>> Um what else would you like to know? So
tell them a little bit more about the
dog dancing. It wasn't just a dance. She
has this dog trained.
>> It was unreal. Just tell them a little
bit more.
>> What kind of dog is it? Gordon Setter.
Oh no, that's mine.
>> My dog is a mini golden doodle. They
have the attention span attention span
of like 30 seconds. So it was very hard
to train her. But I've trained her for
three years now. And so I really enjoyed
it. But
>> it was awesome.
Oh yeah, her name's Jojo.
>> Okay, any questions?
>> What a what a great evening. again. Uh
such a variety of talent but incredible
talent and uh uh thank you for accepting
this role that you've undertaken and we
hope that we wear you out in the next
year with new businesses and
opportunities to serve and we look
forward to that. So let's step up here.
>> Thank you. Thank you so much.
We want to
>> probably stand behind you.
» No, but I thought you were like,
» we want you right in front of us because
we don't want to be hiding.
» Come on.
not get the podium. There we go. All
right. Ready? One, two, three.
Thank you so much.
>> Wait a minute.
» December.
» Oh yeah.
» Kids event. Can you see that?
» Okay.
>> Training dogs is a lot harder than it
looks.
>> Training dogs is a lot.
>> All right. So, I have a a handout for
all of you actually. So, I'll just get
out of here.
>> I do want you to introduce yourself when
you when you get going. Oh, you can hand
» Thank you.
» All right. So, uh, my name is Jackson
Jensen. I am part of Scout Troop 101.
Actually, also out of Ganola, but I live
here in Sanquin.
Upgrade.
Whoa.
Um, and
uh,
>> so much for kind.
>> Let's see. Oh,
>> all right. Um, I would like to propose,
plan, and execute a free food pantry in
Sanquuquin as my Eagle project. Um, I
really like the idea of my project
benefiting the community in such a
simple yet profound way, helping with
food insecurities. I've had family
who've benefited from this in various
times of our lives and in various
communities. I feel like it's a worthy
cause for my time. If you look in the
back of the packet, we included um some
pictures. Um PAC has actually done a
very similar thing. Uh it we've talked
to many of of the people in San Quinn of
the ones who've set it up and and who
use it and they say it's been very uh
very popular and
just works very well. Um, I've secured a
donor from a a business in this in the
San Quinn community who wishes to remain
anonymous, but who understands the
important of this project and has
pledged to fund up up to the whole
project.
Um, uh, for the upkeep, the youth city
council has stated that they will take
it under their wing to check it
regularly and make sure that it stays
clean and nice. Um,
and all all the hours will be volunteer
from uh the scout troop and some of my
friends and stuff like that who will be
helping out. So, city won't have to pay
anything or have to have anybody come.
I'll take care of it all. What I I just
need is permission uh to place it on
city property and uh basically guidance on where you guys uh would
think it would be best to go. Um, some
locations I've thought of are the police
station parking lot or in front of the
library right over here by the community
garden.
>> Uh, these are open places that aren't,
you know, right on Main Street where I
everyone can see, but still good places
that can be monitored but also a little
private too. Uh, thank you for your time
and I hope to bring this important
project to Santa Quinn. I I like the
idea of the library or the the UP cabin,
you know, just some place in that
general area over there.
>> Wasn't Wasn't there a community garden
over there, too?
>> There is a community garden, huh?
>> I think that'd be a great location.
>> Any other questions, Jackson?
>> I'll I'll make a comment. Jackson, this
is awesome.
>> I am really really impressed. Um, cool.
It's really awesome. Thank you. So,
Jackson, I this is such a fantastic
idea. So, I worked for the police
department in PAC and PAC had one of
these little boxes and actually started
out the sight of a birdhouse and it
became so popular, it just wasn't big
enough. And uh I all throughout the
hours of the day and the night, you
would see people putting things in it
and people taking things out of it. It
was never vandalized. It was well taken
care of. It sat just outside the city
building and it was just an asset to the
community. And I think if we do it right
and put it in the right location, I
think it could be just the exact same
thing. And I think
>> Travis, what do you think about over by
the library?
>> I think when when uh Chelsea called me
and talked to me about this, I I thought
just kind of over by the library where
the community garden was off to the
side. I thought that was a great place
because, you know, one of the things too
is
>> one of the things that I think people
like about this is the the if I can say
this word right, the anonymity
>> of being able to go
>> and take what they need without
>> having to go and ask for it.
>> Well, donors like to be anonymous, too.
>> Yes, exactly. Like to be anonymous when
they put things in it. And I have seen
everything from food to diapers go into
the one in PAC. So there's no limit of
what can put be put into this and what
can be taken out of it and it's just all
limited by the imagination of the people
who want to help and the people who
need. So I think this could be a really
good thing.
I only have one question with it and
that is uh will when you have the the
youth council come and look at it, make
sure things are okay, check for
expiration dates or real hot
temperatures that may affect canned
foods or you know that kind of worries
me a little bit. But
>> let's get our youth here to help us out
for the city council.
>> No. So if I can is it okay if I just
inter
>> interject here?
>> Uh no, please.
>> Okay. Uh, I like to hear myself talk, so
I'll just keep going. As you know, I'm
Chelsea Rolley and I'm the youth city
council mentor with Santa and I work
with Travis. Um, in consideration of
that, I asked PAC city council Ryan
Rolley. I was like, "How how's the food?
Are we worried about spoilage?" And he
said, "No, it gets filled and emptied
every single day." He's like, "We're not
worried about expiration at all. It has
become so needed and so popular that has not been a problem."
>> Um, I prepared some facts for you. I
don't know if this is a hard sale. Do
you want to hear the Utah food
insecurity facts? Sure, let's do it.
So, I am here to support Jackson
tonight. He approached me for ideas on
how to implement his Eagle Scout project
for a community pantry. And of course, I
was like, "Yes, absolutely. We need to
do this." Um, I've personally been
floating that idea for many years. I
just never really felt like I had the
right um pieces in place to make it
happen. Um, my philosophical farmer
quote of the night is, uh, the best time
to plant a tree was 20 years ago.
>> The next best time is today. And that's
how I feel about the community pantry.
Um, I feel it's the right time. We have
the right people. We have the right
sponsors and resources. And we have the
right need in our community to make this
project a reality. The gap between what
many Utah families need and what they
can afford is rapidly widening.
Utah Food Bank said nearly half of those
experienced food insecurity don't
qualify for federal assistance. Rising
food prices, economic uncertainty, and
unstable federal support and shutdowns
are putting struggling families under
immense strain. Even those who qualify
are not always able to access the
benefits they need. Today, KSL had an
article that said at Utah State
University, their food pantry averaged
5,000 students, but now it's serving
30,000 students. One in eight Utons are
food insecure, which includes one in
every five children with seniors having
a similar demographic. Utah Food Bank
has seen a 35% increase in those already
in need just this year. So, this is the
time to make this happen.
My favorite thing about Santa Quinn is
the people. We look out for each other.
This is an additional way that we can
ensure that we're taking care of one
another. We are hoping the council will
take this on as an initiative by
approving a central location that can be
easily accessed by the community. We
hope you'll support this pantry with a
resounding yes. Our residents should not
go hungry. All of the community
businesses and members I have reached
out to said they are willing and ready
to support this project with food
donations. They are excited about the
possibility to help in our own
community. A food pantry will bless both
those who give and those that receive.
Uh, please feel free to reach out to me
or Jackson with additional questions.
Um, thank you guys so much for the
services you provide to our community.
Um, and we hope that we can make a
prompt decision on this so that he can
rock and roll with his Eagle Scout
project.
>> I I do want to ask one thing. How do we
ensure it doesn't tip over in the wind?
I've seen outouses go flying about this
size.
>> Okay,
>> so if you look at uh those picture
packets,
>> I'm looking at them. the one of the
bottom ones.
>> I don't think it's in there.
>> Oh, it's not in there.
>> It's on this
>> on on on this page on the bottom. They
have uh come up and show each of you.
>> So, what he's saying is there's a
weathered wood on the bottom and it has
like little
>> spikes drilled into the ground.
>> Kind of make sure it doesn't get blown
or tipped over.
>> So, it's an it's anchored into the
>> Yeah, it's anchored down.
>> Great. And we're totally willing to just
like do this on a probationary,
>> you know, give us six months, see how it
goes. And if it's getting trash, if it's
something that the community is not
finding value in, we are happy to like
take it and move it to a different
location. But
>> this is this is awesome. I know multiple
people that have brought this up that
have said, I wish there was something
like this. I don't think that this is
something that has to be probationary. I
think that this is something that will
get used if not what I'm thinking about
is I'm like, is this big enough? that
would
>> because I'm thinking like if you put I
think of getting diapers for my kids
>> how many diaper boxes are going to fill
there and I know we have such a young
population here I think that's like the
things that people would really benefit
from so I'm just concerned like is this
big enough this picture from PA I'm like
I don't know if that's big enough but
>> so and that was my concern too I'm like
bigger is always better but it helps
with it being regularly rotated because
there's not enough room for something to
sit for a long time they're going to
come and grab it um we have several
community, you know, social media pages
where people will alert and say, "I've
just dropped off size ones. Go grab
them. I've just dropped off this. Go get
it." That's how it works in PAC. They'll
say, "I put all my garden produce in
today. Please go grab it." And people
are pretty responsive to go get that
before anything's spoiled. So,
>> it sure be nice to see some positive
things on our community pages, too.
>> Yeah.
>> When What's your time frame?
>> Go ahead.
>> Um, as soon as possible. How how long
will it take you?
>> Um, it'll probably take us maybe a week
or two just to assemble everything, like
get all all of our parts and all this
stuff that we need, but then it'll
probably just take a day to build with
the amount of people I'm planning on
having help. Uh, but um I I also wanted
to point out that we're going to design
it in such a way like we're going to try
and have it north facing and painted in light light colors and stuff like
that so it also doesn't become a
microwave.
>> So much I want to point that out.
>> Okay.
>> I don't think anybody's opposed to this.
Where do you want to put it?
>> I like that where we started over here.
I like the library.
>> That's great.
>> Agree. or right next to the community
garden between that and the library. I
think that'd be a really good spot.
>> Maybe even behind the cabin so you get
some extra sun shade,
>> but it needs to be in the open where
people will see it and find it.
>> That's true.
>> Or where it's accessible too, you know,
in the winter so they don't have to walk
through snow
>> those gardens every day when they're
growing them.
>> So there there's quite a few aspects
here that will involve public works just
for coordination. If we're putting
stakes in the ground, we don't want them
to go through sprinkler lines. If we
need to relocate a sprinkler head, we
can certainly do that. Yeah.
>> So, I think what would be best is maybe
to get this young man involved with
public works and just say, "Hey, let's meet on site."
>> I I also think if they're going to put
it on the side of a sidewalk or
somewhere that's over there, they could
do it that maybe we get some rotomill or
something that would give a good base so
that you could walk around it and not
get muddy at sometime.
>> Yeah. Again, I think the best thing to
do is if that's the general location
that you're talking about, then we just
have them get with public works and take
all these things into consideration
because again, we don't want to
>> if they have to mow there or if there's
a sprinkler that's shooting into the
bottom of the box and none of that's
going to be good. We want to make sure
that we just plan it properly and even
if there's a even if there's a small
concrete pad or something and it has to
sit on or or a concrete pad like a
sidewalk that has to come around the
back,
>> ADA is another thing that that we need
to look at. So, I think it's good to
just have all these things and then I'm happy to work or I'm sure John's
happy to work with public works and and
the Eagle Scout to to just say, "Hey,
this is probably where it's going to be
best." Keeping in mind all of the things
that we've talked about, visibility,
sun, shade, access, all those types of
things.
>> So, probably both uh John and and Jason,
>> correct?
>> Let's get it done.
>> So, what Norm is saying is be flexible.
>> Yeah. Okay. Ju just remember that some
of the things that have been brought up
are very important. Some of the things
that you have, but does it need to be
wheelchair accessible? Right. We have
there's some areas over there that
aren't wheelchair accessible. Totally.
>> And that's what I mean by ADA. That's a
federal law that if we're making stuff
available on a public, then it has to
meet ADA requirements. And so all of
those things we can work on. It just is
a matter of how, when, and where we can
make that work. So, I would just have
you coordinate with with our public
works director, Jason Callaway, and you
can get a hold of me directly and I can
put you in touch with him and then we
can go from there.
>> Okay. Thank you. Um,
>> during the cons during the construction,
would there be merit to consider
insulating it?
>> Uh, yeah, sure.
>> Just an idea.
>> Um, and then one other thing, I also
>> I have to get it passed by Scouting
America first.
>> Yes.
>> And we're not sure how long that might
take. So, You know, it's okay.
>> It can be anywhere from two weeks to a
month. Okay.
>> There's something that works slower than
government.
>> Well, they're government adjacent. So,
>> um just remind it be prepared.
>> Gotcha. When you have
>> good.
>> Okay. So, next steps for us is just get
approval and then
>> come talk to you guys.
>> So, I I think you already have approval.
It's just the when, where, and how. I I
don't know that there's any official
action that needs to be
>> I think it's a scouts help from them.
Yes, correct.
>> I mean, you could probably get it
constructed and then
>> in the meantime
>> move it into place
>> and then we can move it into place with
Jason and John and figure out where it
needs to go.
>> Okay.
>> I also want to say I've had a lot of
people ask about this sort of thing and
every time they do like, "Yeah, that's a
great idea. We should have something
like that like Jason does. Give me some
ideas on how we can make it work." And
then they never respond back. So I am
I'm grateful that you actually took the
initiative and and actually did it.
>> This is awesome. This is everything that
stand for. So
>> absolutely.
>> We need this.
>> Yeah.
>> Thank you for that proposal.
>> Yes. Thank you so much.
>> Okay.
>> I I would just say
don't bring it over and get ready to set
it until we've worked with public works
to make sure.
>> Oh yes, of course.
>> Show up with it. That might be a little
more challenging than if we coordinate
it in advance. Please
>> just go just go put it up and ask
>> to be prepared and have it done first.
>> Okay. Well,
>> thank you.
>> Let's get her done.
>> All right.
>> I like it. All right. Um
before we do the building permits and
business licenses, let's uh go to items
12, 13, 14, and 15, which is our
community development director uh
resolution for that. uh the services
director and the resolution for that. So
we'll start with 12. Um do you want to
go through that Jason? And
>> yeah, so uh let's see. Last Thursday we did interviews for a new community
development director. Uh we had council
member Travis Ke uh and council member
Lynn Mikum and Mayor Olsson that were a
part of that and we appreciate their time with that. We had some really
great candidates. Um, and ultimately we uh are really excited about the the
candidate that we're going to bring
before you tonight. He's here. Uh, his
name is Morgan Brim. He's there um in
his suit in the the back row there. Um,
but yeah, we are really excited about
Morgan. Uh, he was previously the
community development director for
Vineyard City. uh he was there for nine
or 10 years and uh he's he's very
qualified and you know I've had the
opportunity to kind of coordinate and
work with uh with with Morgan on kind of
the next steps through this this uh
interview process and uh the more I talk
to him the more I'm excited about what
he has to to offer and the experience
and the understanding uh in in in the
area of community development. Um so um
I think we've we've been able to work
through a lot of the things um and and
per our policy the um the final
selection is up to the city council.
Obviously we had two councils and the
mayor two council members and the mayor
in the in the interview process. So uh I
guess with that said we have the the
proposed uh employment contract
attached. Uh I know in the packet it was generic. it didn't have specific
names because we were still uh
coordinating and working on on the
specifics of of who we wanted to offer
this to. So, uh that was provided. We
we've we've provided that that
information and we have it uh ready uh
here tonight. But we wanted to bring
Morgan uh to you tonight. If you have
any questions for him, we we would uh
I'm sure he'd be happy to answer any
questions. But we present to you Morgan
Brim uh for the community development
director position.
Hi, it's great to be here.
>> Great to have you here.
>> Introduce yourself a little bit. We
don't want you to be too windy, but uh there may be a question or two. I
just want to tell you right up front, I
was very impressed with you and grateful
that you took the time to
uh look at being a part of us and your
preparation was exceptional. Thank you.
>> Thank you very much, Mayor. And it's
great to see you, Councilman. Um, Mikum
and Keel. Again, I I found your your
team um your executive leadership team
just to be um really wonderful. I could
tell a lot of time consideration was put
in place as you guys have hired staff
and talking with staff too. I love to
see longevity and that's really
important for for a new hire. You want
to you know you're going into a place
that that has some stability. That's really important. Um so I I love
building communities. It's something
that I'm really passionate about. Even
as a little kid, Sim City was my jam.
Um, Vineyard City was a bit bit like uh
Sim City in real life. And I know Santa
Quinn is not Vineyard City, so I'm not I'm not proposing that, but I
absolutely love building teams. I love
collaborating, working with with staff,
working with the mayor and and city
council members. And so I'm uh, you
know, just just really passionate about
working with the public, too. I think
that's so important. They're the
lifeblood of your community and that is
where um and and how our planning should be informed and how we move
forward with economic development as
well. I come from I have four sons um
and so when I when I uh work in city
planning, it's really important that it be a city that I that that's
going to be able to accommodate a family
like mine. I also have nine sisters, so
I have a a big family. So when I when I
look at cities and planning and economic
development, keeping that as kind of
your central focus, Santa C is a great
family oriented community and I think
everything we should be doing should elevate that purpose. So any
questions for me?
>> Nine sisters. I have so many questions.
>> We don't have time.
So not too many but I
>> there there was one comment you made
about uh economic development and uh I I
felt your understanding of what was
important to really help with you know
we see so much growth in a city but that
economic development provides a uh
backbone to help with programs of every
size. And I I felt like you
brought that up and talked about it and
understand that principle.
>> Thank you. And I I just see such a
tremendous opportunity with with
Sanquin. And I think economic
development is right sizing it and and
really being strategic in how you u
bring in economic development. And I I
what I love is home occupations. I'm I'm
big on that. Just your your your local
people that are already doing businesses
from their their houses. I found that
throughout my 18 years of of planning
and economic development, the more you
work and you're in touch with with your
uh your home occupations and just your
local businesses here, the the the
better it's going to be. And that really
sets the stage for if you bring in a a
big company, if you have the
infrastructure and things that are
supportive of your local businesses,
those are the same elements. It's all
matter of scale, but those are the same
elements that are going to be supportive
of of larger companies.
>> That's awesome. Okay, any questions for
Morgan?
Okay. Any questions on the uh agreement
to uh the contract to approve for his
employment agreement?
>> Mayor, we'd ask you to do those in two
separate motions. So, one for the final
selection and then also one for the
approval of the of the employment
agreement, please.
>> Okay. Let's go to item 12 that says the
community development director uh final
selection. I would ask for a motion.
>> Mr. May I'll make a motion that we adopt
resolution 12. Uh, community development
director Morgan Brin. Right.
>> Yeah.
>> I'll second that motion.
>> Moved and seconded. Travis
>> I.
>> Lynn.
>> I.
>> Jeff.
>> I.
>> Art.
>> I.
>> Ryan.
>> I.
» Now the agreement.
>> Okay.
>> Had a chance to review that agreement.
>> So Lynn made a motion to approve the
resolution. I think uh what we need is a
motion to select Morgan Brim for the
position and then a separate motion to
approve resolution 02 0302.
>> I'll make you kind of got that.
>> I'll amend I'll amend my um motion to
match what Jason just said.
>> I'll second that amendment.
>> Okay. Travis
>> still I Lyn
>> still I.
>> Jeff
>> I. Art
>> I.
>> Brian
>> I. Okay. So, the cart got before the
horse. So, uh then let's have a motion
on a resolution uh 0302, the approval of
the community development director
employment agreement.
>> Mayor, I'll make a motion to approve
resolution 0302206,
approval of community development
director employment agreement.
>> Is there a second?
>> I'll second.
>> Moved and seconded. Brian,
>> I
>> Art.
>> Hi,
>> Jeff.
>> Hi,
>> Lynn. Hi,
>> Travis. I
>> motion passed.
>> Now you have to go to work.
>> Yes.
>> When when is your first day of work
going to be?
>> I believe it's the 31st.
>> So it's two weeks.
>> Two weeks.
>> Awesome.
>> Sound good.
>> Excited to get going. Thank you.
>> Okay,
we got all that set. We appreciate it.
We look forward to working with you,
sir.
>> I appreciate you guys. Thank you so
much.
>> Yeah. Thank you.
>> Okay. Uh the community services director
final selection.
>> Yeah, mayor and council.
>> That's going to go on.
>> I I'll take care of this one. It's been
a long time since we've hired two
directors in one meeting. That's kind of
interesting. We've had some longevity.
In fact, my almost four years in this
position. This is the this is the uh
first time that we've hired a director.
We've re reinstated contracts before,
but this is the first time that we've
hired a director and now it's too. So,
um, as Jason indicated, we've we had
interviews just yesterday with nine very
highly qualified candidates and, uh, I
I'll present the the the the one that we
the individual that we have for you here
in a minute, but I want to tell you a
little bit about kind of the process
that we went through. We we spent 5
hours yesterday between all of the
interviews, half hour, half hour, half
hour, and then another half hour plus at
the end. We appreciate council member
Mikum and council member Sitaway and the
mayor Jason and I and our and our
library director Jennifer Wagner helped
us with that. Um had a great divergence
of thought, had really good discussion,
had uh just some really good interviews
and came out of that nine with three
that rose to the top. So, as as directed
by the mayor and the two council members
that were there, we then had second
discussions with three those three top
individuals last night until about 8:00.
And uh just again, the the talent has
just been incredible. I my 12 years
working for the city, I've not seen a
talent pool for contracts like for
positions like this in that 12 years.
So, it's been really good. Um, from that
we had some more discussion and and uh
some heartto-he hearts with the top
three and and selected one and that one
that I would like to to present to you
now. I'll put this up on the screen.
This is a Zoom meeting. We have Cammy
Ellsworth who is with us. Um, Cammy, I'm
going to introduce you a little bit and
kind of give a little bit of your
background. You're on mute, so when you
want to talk, you'll have to take that
off.
>> Uh, Cammy comes to us from multiple
different jobs. She spent 12 years in
St. George. And I I'm going to kind of
interject a little bit here. Uh in our
references, we had five references for
her. And one of the comments in that
reference was that Cammy took the St.
George Marathon to a whole other level
times 10.
So if that gives you an idea that the I personally have run the St. George
Marathon four times. I know it doesn't
look like it now. It's been more than a
decade ago, but I've run that four
times. And there at that time there were
10,000 individuals that would sign up
for that race. And now I think it's
probably closer to 12 or 13 or 14,000
people.
>> If you can imagine that many people and
all their support and all their family
and all of the logistics that it takes.
Cammy did that for 12 years as well as
other programs that she was over there
in St. George. And so that's that's one
aspect of it. She then moved to another
town that's called Baghdad, Arizona.
>> It's a mining town that is
uh about a sixth the size that we are
today with a budget three times of what
we are today.
>> Oh wow.
>> So she actually went there and and built
the entire program. They they hired her
and basically took all their they
weren't very organized and and didn't
have leagues and and and fields being
taken care of and all that kind of
stuff. They put her to work and in
several years she was able to turn that
around and had a very successful uh uh
program when she left there. She then
went to Yuma, Arizona for a couple years
and has recently been working in in
another uh complex in Texas and that's
where she is currently stationed. So
we're te stealing her away from Texas.
So all in all, Cammy, I think you're
about 18 years worth of of experience.
Am I thinking about that right?
>> Yes. Yeah. Coming up on 20 about 19 20.
Yeah.
>> I I know she doesn't look old enough to
have 20 years of experience, but there
you go. Um, I'm going to back away now a
little bit and and have maybe Cammy have
you introduce yourself that I haven't
already done and and let's have them ask
any questions you might have.
>> First of all, we need to know, do you
have nine sisters?
>> No.
I can't imagine. I only had two and
that was pretty rough.
>> I am the youngest of of three girls
though and so I became the boy of the
family. So I I grew up playing every
sport known to man. And I was my dad's
sidekick from the time I was about three
years old, which is probably why I ended
up in parks and recreation.
Um, he he needed a son and and here I
am.
» Um, like Norm was saying, I've kind of
been traveling around a little bit. We
are empty nesters now. Our children left
us and um, we kind of went on a little
adventure. My husband is from grew up in
Mesa. That's what took us to Arizona.
And we wanted to be a little closer to
his family for a while. And um and then
the company that I worked for in Baghdad
actually is the company that I worked
for here in Texas. They're headquartered
in Texas. And so um they they reached
out to me asking if I'd be willing to
move to Texas and work for them again.
So um they are a wonderful company. Um I
value them uh uh greatly. So, I was more
than willing to to move us again and and
come out here to help um kind of patch
up some some holes that were happening
here in their recreation areas. So,
that's what brought us to Texas. But, I
am so honored to be here tonight um and
spend some time with with you at your
council meeting. Um I love parks and
recreation. I love anything that brings
family together. um to play and enjoy
each other um and to build family bonds
as well as community bonds. So um I have
a huge passion for everything parks and
recreation. So any questions for me? I'm
happy to answer.
» So if I may, I'm going to interject here
a little bit. Some of the other
references that were made to to Cammy in
the in the uh references that we
contacted were
honest, high integrity.
When she goes in, she goes all in. And I
have seen that over the last 48 hours
when she goes all in. In fact, one of
the things that we've talked about is
bringing her out here in the next week
or so so that she can be on site and
look at the facilities and get to know
the people and that kind of thing. And
so as we look at this tonight, I would I
would request that you make as we make a
motion that we do that conditional upon
a site visit and continuing to work with
her. We we do have a an agreement before
you that we've presented and come to
terms on, but there's still some things
to work out. Also pending is the is the
background check. So that would be what
I would request of you tonight. But just
we again, we are super impressed with what we've seen. And I think the
council members that were there and the
mayor just, you know, again, the talent
pool and that we had and then Cammy just
rose to the top on that was just really
fantastic
» with those conditions. Then we don't
have a prospective start date yet.
>> We we do that's one of the conditions
and that would be probably about 30 days
out. We we've asked her to in in concert
with the the mayor and the council,
we've asked her to to plan on being here
30 days from now.
>> Okay.
>> Thank you for that. That's good
clarification.
>> I I guess I just love to hear I I think
Cammy, you've been in a small town in
Arizona, right? That was what was said.
Well, uh I mean, we're not necessarily a
small town anymore, but we're smaller.
Um I just love to hear your perspective
on like community services, parks and
wreck in a small town, like how you've
seen that.
>> Um that's a great question. So Baghdad
only has about 3,000 people. So it is a
very small town. Um
it is what brings people to to that
town. So Baghdad is unique. It's a
mining town and if you don't work for
the mine, you you can't live there. So
it's a town site. Um and so they're
constantly trying to encourage people to
stay because you have to drive 60 miles
to a Taco Bell. You have to drive 60
miles to shop at a real store. Um, and
so they're always trying to entice
people to stay in this tiny little town.
Um, and recreation really brought this
community together. Um, we started doing
soccer camps and basketball leagues and
art classes for their children. Um,
having multiple multiple community
events throughout the year and the
entire town would come to each event.
Um, they look forward to recreation.
They want to recreate whenever possible.
Um, it really did bring such a a value
to that small community. Um, and now
people do. They want to live there. They
love what that little town, as ugly as
it is, if you've ever Google it.
Not a pretty town, but people do want to
live there and stay there. Um, because
all that it affords to their family
there. Now,
>> that's awesome. I I would like you to
have you comment a little bit on uh
maybe the outlook or your thoughts on
dealing with a library, a museum, um
senior citizens,
um items like that as well as uh parks
and wreck.
» Norm, will you repeat that to me? I
couldn't hear. Yeah, he's asking about
your perspective on library museum uh
seniors and and your perspective on
that.
>> Yes. Um I've actually never worked
directly with a library. Um we had a
library on our community campus. Um but
it was run by the county. So that this
will be new to me. Um, however, I've
worked with several different museums
and, um, and I think that the history
that's that's, you know, taught and and
valued also is something that that
brings so much value to your community.
If you can share what has happened in
the past and where you've gotten to
where you are now, um, and tell that
story, that that really does, um, bring
such value to your community. Um,
seniors, I worked a lot with seniors in my job in Yuma. We had a senior
center um, there and we had lots of
wonderful classes, um, woodworking and
arts and crafts. We had a many senior
games there where we would hold pickle
ball tournaments and um billiards
tournaments and um different things for
about a two-eek period for for our
seniors and we would see them come out
in droves. So in Yuma this the town
doubles in size in the summer. So all of
the winter visitors come and they are
all um in the senior population. So Yuma
becomes a a senior
community um for about six months out of
the year. Um and so we spend a lot of
time catering to our to our senior
population. Um and they also I mean they
have such wonderful stories to tell. You
can learn so much from our senior
population. Um, I know that the time
that I have spent, um, has, you know,
has bettered my life for sure.
>> So, one of the things I'm going to break
in here just a little bit, Cammy. One of
the things that we looked at with all of
the applicants was the breadth. You can
tell that Cammy has a lot of breadth in
different things from seniors to museum
to parks and wreck to sports to other
than library. She has the the the widest
breadth of of experience, which is why
one one of the reasons why she rose to
the top is because that's the way that
we operate around here, right? She we
talked about it today with her on the
phone. There's 12 things underneath her
from royalty to the the museum to the
community garden to the library to
Anyway, that was one of the things that really helped distinguish her from
some of the other candidates.
>> We just added one called food pantry to
>> Yeah, there we go. I've been talking to
her on that in text. She's like, "Wait a
minute. No, I'm just kidding.
>> New work."
>> Yeah. Job security.
>> Just uh
>> Yes.
>> Just so we can move along. Are there any
other questions that you guys would like
to ask?
Seeing none, then I would entertain a
motion on the uh community service director final
selection that was suggested through the
uh interviewing committee for Cammy
Ellsworth. So moved. Is there a second?
>> I'll second that.
>> Moved and seconded. Travis,
>> hi
>> Lynn.
>> Hi
>> Jeff.
>> Hi
>> Art.
>> I But I have a question. Is this
conditional at all?
>> Yeah, that'll be the next item.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah.
>> I
>> Brian
>> I.
>> Okay. Motion passed. The selection takes
us to the conditional motion uh for
those items that were stated by Norman.
don't want to forget them, but there are
tests, drug tests, and
>> yeah, start date 30 days, just a site
visit is due and also just contingent
upon passing the background check are
the three things that I would recommend
this motion be contingent upon.
>> I'll I'll make a motion to approve
resolution 0303 2026 with those
conditions.
>> You want to repeat them, please?
>> Uh we repeat the conditions 30 days.
>> Start in 30 days. still the background
check and then also the the she's going
to make a site visit here sometime
between that to to
>> to come and just kind of feel things out
and just get to know the staff and all
that kind of stuff.
>> Okay,
>> I'll second that motion.
>> Moved and seconded. Travis
>> I
>> Lynn
>> I
>> Jeff
>> I
>> Art I
>> Ryan
>> I
>> motion passed. Congratulations Cammy,
>> you have work to do.
>> Yeah, she has work to do.
Okay.
>> Thanks, Jimmy.
>> Uh, would you let us know when you're
coming so we have a chance? I'd want to
make sure I have a chance to meet you.
>> Yes. I actually will be there on Monday.
>> Next Monday.
>> Yeah. A week from the week from
yesterday.
>> Okay.
>> We've actually been coordinating that
when they, like I said, when she said
all in, she's all in. Here we go.
>> Okay. Good luck with the cheer cup.
>> And I and I will be there the entire
weekend, but I will be on site Monday.
>> Yes.
>> All right.
>> Great. Thanks, Tammy. you can go ahead
and jump off or you can hang out if you
want to and
>> and spend the rest of
>> online so I can see everyone.
>> Okay. Thank you.
>> Thank you.
>> Big crowd.
>> Okay. Uh I'd like to get a
>> Can I jump in a report on the building
permit and business license?
>> Could you let me know her schedule? I'd
love to just chat given that there's so
many things that we've just talked about
recently. Yep.
>> In the department. So
» Okay. You ready, Mayor?
>> Yeah. Mayor and Council, Norm's going to
pull it up. Uh the building permit
report tonight right now sitting um
where we are in the calendar year. We're
up to 100 new residential uh dwelling
units. That's made up of 36 single
family and 64 multif family. Uh you can
see this time last year we were to 75.
So a little ahead of pace. Uh fiscal
year we're up to 172. uh this time last
fiscal year which which we're getting
towards the end we were at 195 and as
always you can see the previous years to
compare where where things are at
>> and then for tonight there's no new
business licenses to report.
>> Wow.
>> Okay. Thank you. Any questions?
>> Hearing none. Let's move on to ordinance
uh 0301 uh the Southerntherland
annexation.
I'm working on. Sorry,
» boy. I am just about a thousand.
» You want me to pull up the map?
>> Yeah, Jason.
>> Oh, I'm going to do that. That's right.
Sorry. I'm gonna I'm gonna take this
one. Sorry.
Um, so we talked about this a little bit
in the work session. And I'm going to
blow up this map here and see if I can
get it to
uh show kind of real time where we're
at. Yep, there we go. So now the map is
facing up as north. The the 10 acres
that is currently being proposed as the
sunation is this yellow square right
here. That would be 10 acres. Right now
it's surrounded on three sides with with
the county. Well, it's still in the
county. And what they're proposing is
they're proposing this to go to an R10,
which is conti consistent with the areas
around it. The PF zone, the blue one
that's here, is the school district
property and our rodeo grounds. Our
rodeo grounds are here. And then this is
the this is the field to the west of the
rodeo grounds. That is the school
district property. Um, it's being
proposed that that 10 acres be brought
into the city, annexed. We've been
through all of the noticing and all of
the requirements that required by the
state and the county and so now it's
here for your consideration. I will just
mention that two other items have been
done on this. We had we accepted the
petition which doesn't get any approval
some months ago and then last council
meeting we also had the public hearing
where the public had an opportunity to
ask questions and and voice concerns
that they had. So, I'm happy to answer
any questions and I believe we have an
the applicant or one of the applicants
relatives here that can help us with
that.
>> Any issues with infrastructure?
>> So, as we talked about before, the
answer is yes. There there's there's
always struggles with infrastructure
because all the easy stuff's gone. So,
um in this one, they're going to have to
deal with water. They're going to have
to deal with roads. They're going to
have to deal with with sewer. and and
all of that is done at the development
stage, not at the annexation. But yes,
there are challenges, I guess, is the
best way to put it. Anything can be
sewarded or anything. It's just a matter
of where they can go with it, how they
can get it there, what kind of access,
that type of thing. So, yes,
>> but the but the U petitioners are aware
of those situations.
>> I I believe that they are well aware of
those situations. Yes, we've had we've
had discussions with them as well as
potential purchasers for this property
that have come to the city to do their
due diligence.
>> Thank you.
>> Yes. Thank you.
>> Will you will you uh pull up the the
exact lot?
>> You want me to show it on the parallel
map?
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Uhhuh. Sure.
>> Sorry. I'll get that over there and get
it coming up. Thank you.
So this is
the the 10 acres is a part of this 61
that's right here if I remember
correctly. Is that
>> No, no, it's down further south.
>> Oh, I'm sorry. That's correct. That's
correct. It's a part of this one. My
bad. The Yeah, that would have been bad.
>> Um, so 10 acres right here in this
location. Is it the band?
>> Yeah, we would have had a problem with
that.
» So, that is their that is their current
look at that. Um, again, the the blue
area that is in the map, and I'll pull
that up really quick again. The I'm
sorry, the yellow area that's next to it
is R10. And I'll pull that back up and
have to answer any questions that you
have about that. You want me to turn the
aerial on? Would that help or not help?
>> So, is it is it that that one right next
to the bed and breakfast? Yeah, just
north of a certain amount. That is just
north of that. That's correct. The bed
and breakfast, I think, that you're
referring to is right here.
>> Yeah.
>> Yep. Um the the pink line here
represents the current city boundary and
then if this annexation goes through and
the lieutenant governor approves it, you
guys approve it and the lieutenant
governor approves it, that would change
the boundary in this area to have that
box out right there.
We had a public hearing on this. We've
had comments given to us even at the
public hearing. Are there any questions
or anything that uh you would like to
ask? I think uh Glade probably
represents the rest of the family
tonight.
I' I'd love to have you come up and just
kind of usually I I was commenting in
the work session where I was like I
don't really know what the intentions
are with this annexation and in most
other situations obviously other
annexations can be a lot bigger or
smaller. I just felt like I have no idea
what what the plan is or or like
different intentions and so I'd love to
hear like what's the current intention,
what's in the works, what you know just
to hear from your perspective. I know
during the public hearing there were
some concerns about what type of housing
a different thing, but I think R10 only
allows for single family,
>> so I don't think that's really a
concern, but I just love to hear.
>> Okay, first off, I'm a little bit
disappointed that you moved the
directors ahead of me and have to make
me wait, but I'll excuse you, mayor, on
that.
>> You know, I I was thinking that we would
put you ahead of the queens, but you
didn't stand a chance. No, I'd never I'd
never compete with the queen. No
question there.
>> Are you questioning my looks? Is that
it?
>> The plan is to we we plan to Well, we
have already offered it to sell for sale
and send it to several developers and
other people who may have interest in
it. Uh we we do have some issues with
utilities as Norm has explained. Uh most
difficult one is the sewer access and
we're still working on that. We have not
got that resolved at this point. But as
far as the family, we're looking at uh
single family homes. The R110 zoning
is what what we anticipate. And some of
the proposed buyers have wanted to to
downsize it to the R8,000 square foot
lots and we told them no, we want the
bigger lots. Uh, four of our siblings
live there and those lots just to the
south. So,
they want a good neighborhood as well.
So, yeah, this property has been in the
family for 70 years. My father and
mother purchased it in 1956,
and we've hung on to it this long. They
they've both been gone over 20 years,
but we're all getting older and it's
time to move forward and so that's why
we've offered it for sale.
>> Is it I'm assuming it's in conjunction
with the other land that's already
>> Yes.
>> just east of it, right? Is that that's
the plan?
>> Yeah,
>> because I'm like 10 acres is not enough
to do really anything with.
>> Yeah, there's there's an additional
approximately 18 acres. So altogether
it's about 28 acres.
Okay.
>> The the part that's already in the city
could could be seoured if we went
through the school district property,
but most of the developers want to want
a bigger piece to to make it more
affordable for them.
>> Yeah. So, on the infrastructure side of
things, the the city's existing sewer
line, it runs right along this brought
property line right here, north and
south. And so, that would be what would
be hooked into. But the problem with it
is it's all downhill from there. So
sewer doesn't run uphill.
>> Yeah.
>> So that's one of the challenges again
that I've identified and I believe that
the family's aware of.
>> Right.
>> There is there is approximately 2 acres
on the east side of that sewer line. But
that's all that could be sewered as with
the existing utilities that are in there
now. and and and h how do how do you go
about you know fixing those or solving
those challenges?
>> Well, you you find another way for the
sewer to sewer out like he's talking
about. One of the things that he's just
mentioned is this property is owned by
the the school district.
>> The the gentleman that was here last
meeting that was concerned about
somebody had approached him that their
family owns and controls this piece, but
some of it could be sewarded out of here
through the through the school district.
I'm going to pan this up and then our
sewer comes up like this and goes out
over here.
>> Okay. Okay. I I assume that's what you
were referring to, right? You were
talking about potentially. But but even
some of that 10 acres that I'm showing
here in that box
>> likely wouldn't sue her with that.
>> That's correct. Okay.
>> Yeah. We need a different location for
that piece. This 10 acres belongs to two
of my sisters, but they want to sell it.
Any
other questions for Glade?
>> Okay. Um, any other questions on this
annexation? We've now had the families
here and and the public uh hearing.
Um, I would entertain a motion to uh
on on ordinance 0301, the
Southerntherland annexation. I'll make a
motion to approve ordinance number
03012026.
>> Motion's been made. Is there a second?
>> I'll second. Moved and seconded. Travis
>> I.
>> Lynn
>> I.
>> Jeff
>> I.
>> Art.
>> Hi.
>> Brian
>> I.
>> Motion passed.
>> So if I may just for procedural from
here we send it to I don't John. Do we
send it to the county first or do we now
go to the lieutenant governor's office?
>> So I believe it goes to the county
first. their final review and then once
that's all done.
>> Okay.
>> So, there's still a couple of steps
you've done. We've done here the land
use side of things. Again, we've had
public hearings and went to the planning
commission, all that kind of stuff. It
now will be in somebody else's hands to
kind of take the football to the to the
goal line. But, thank you.
>> Okay. I'd like to uh move to item number
seven which is a formal public hearing
on uh adopting updated drinking water
pressurized irrigation system sanitary
sewer impact fee uh enacted ordinances.
Um so we need to move to a public
hearing.
Is there a motion?
>> So moved.
>> Seconded.
Moved and seconded. Travis.
>> Hi,
>> Lynn.
>> Hi,
>> Jeff.
>> Hi,
>> Art.
>> Hi,
>> Brian.
>> Hi.
>> So, we're in a public hearing for the
adopting of the updated drinking water
pressurized irrigation sanitary sewer
impact fee enactment ordinance. And
there's a lot of work that's been put
into this. And uh nobody signed up to
speak.
So
>> do you want to ask if there's anybody in
the audience that wants to speak and
then we can have either either before or
after that we can have Chris Thompson
who is with Hansen and loose that's put
this together for us to kind of go
through an explanation.
>> I was hoping that Chris would get a
chance but uh right up first we'll ask
if anybody wants to speak.
Hello. Hi. Um,
>> if you please state your name.
>> Oh, Cara Ganoway.
>> Thank you.
>> Um, I'm here on behalf of just people of
the city. We don't understand what any
of these public hearings all consist of.
We just hear an impact fee. We hear a
fee. We don't know what that means. So,
we're just wondering, is this impact fee
specifically only for new builds coming
in? It's not going to be impact any
other citizens that are already here.
>> No, that's correct.
>> Okay. We just wanted like good
clarification on that.
>> It's to offset the impact of the
building, new buildings and the future
in our infrastructure. So, it helps it
helps create the infrastructure going
forward.
>> The new people moving in will pay for
the improvements that are needed to
accommodate them.
>> You you already paid yours when you
built your house or whoever built it
originally.
>> Okay. We just want a clarification on
that. So, I appreciate it.
>> Good question. Well, and and that's why
we go through these things right now
because we've gone through an
engineering study to prove as to whether
we they need to be increased or they
even need to be reduced and so that we
are fairly treating everyone and falling
within the guidelines of Utah state law
in order to even do a
any kind of fee like this. So, we are
covering all the bases to make sure even
this public hearing to make sure that
we're covering everything and we
appreciate your comments.
>> Yeah. Well, I appreciate your time.
Thank you.
>> Okay. Thank you for coming.
>> Hey, mayor. And if I may, I think
something that can help too with the
public information, uh, generally we
update our impact fees every five years.
>> So, hold on, Jason.
>> John's explaining it better. Hold. I
want to make sure that this person hears
that that so that they're they're here
for that. So
>> John,
>> hey John, can we break in?
>> Can we break in so that she can hear
this?
>> Explain something further for you to
understand. So impact fees usually we we
update every 5 years with a master plan
update. This is kind of an innovative
way of looking at our our impact fees on
more of an annual basis which will
actually make things a lot more
efficient and more accurate for the
impact that new growth uh has on our
community. So uh that's partly the
purpose for this. It's it's a little bit
new, a little bit different. Uh like I
say, you'll usually see these impact
fees happen on on more of, you know,
transportation or parks, recreation,
trails, and open space or sewer or
water. The reason why these three are
here is Hansen Allen Loose has gone
through a process of looking at making
this more efficient so that our impact
fees are accurate. Uh this is helpful
for developers because they know what to
expect when they do an impact fee and rather than than them uh you know
one day coming and and looking at a
development and the impact fee is this
and we go through an impact fee analysis
and update it and it goes up
exponentially. This will make it so it's
more done on an annual basis and it
makes it more accurate for them. So, the
development community actually loves
this as well, but it also makes it more
accurate for the city. So, those impact
fees are accurate and we're we're
getting the the appropriate
revenue from those impact fees that that
match the impact that we're
experiencing. So, hopefully that helps a
little bit with with that explanation.
>> Yeah, we did hear public hearing and
we're like, oh, was it going to affect
the public? Right. So, we just wanted we
were all concerned if it was affecting
the public or only new bills coming in
and that's what we were. So, so if I
may, the state especially on impact fees
themselves are very stringent on what we
have to do. A public hearing is one of
the things that we have to do. Six or
eight months ago, we sent out a public
notice that said we intend to look at
these things. That's part of the code
that the state code, especially with
impact fees and public meetings, are
very stringent on the things that we
have to do and that's why we do them.
That's why they're formatted the way
that they are. We don't we don't add
narratives to it even though it might be
helpful for a lay person to have a long
narrative. That's why we have the public
hearings so that people can come and
learn about those things and understand
them from the the the the engineering
folks and the folks that help us put
these together. These are these are
things that we have to do legally with
10 days notice on something, 7 days
notice, 24 hours notice. All of these
things are state requirements that we
have to do. And while it may look like
that, it's not as convenient for the
public to have all of the information up
front, we're doing exactly what the
state code requires of us. And that's
why we have these public hearings. Like
the mayor saying, we're doing this
because we want you to be here. We want
you to be involved and understand and
this is the way that we go about it. I
often said say to people, this right
here is the public square and the
public's business takes place in the
public square. And that's why we do what
we do because the state has mandated how
we have to do that.
>> It doesn't take place on Facebook. It
doesn't take place in neighborhood
conversations. There's lots that we can
do out there, but the public's business
happens right here. So kudos to you for
staying involved and understanding or
not understanding and coming and ask the
questions, watch the agendas, watch the
public notices. There's purposes and
reasons for that and we do that because
of state code. Well, there's there's one
other thing and we've probably hit on a
little bit, but uh sometimes these
things aren't changed for every five
years. Well, if you roll back in time
and you look at what building costs were
five years ago and those kind of impact
fees were associated with that and we're
not doing updates to take a look at it,
you're so far behind by the time you do
an update 5 years later that the
inaccuracy of the impact fee for the
whole builders actually is a penalty to
the people that live in the city and
have paid for the system to get to where
it is. What we're trying to do is make
sure that upgrades uh that are affected
by new growth that comes in are actually
helping pave the way without the
citizens that are here having to shell
out even more.
>> Can c can I add something? I I I think I
just want to make sure that if anyone's
listening when we say new growth, it
could be that you live in Santa Quinn,
but you own a lot in Santa Quinn and
you're going to go build your dream
home. These impact fees will affect you
if you decide to build. So, so I've
talked to multiple residents that have
said, "Hey, I'd love to build an ADU,
like a little cassita or mother-in-law
apartment in the back of their
property." And they said, "These impact
fees are so high. I can't build that."
So, you live here and you might think,
"Oh, well, maybe this specifically you
think this doesn't affect you. It can
still affect you." and that if you have
new construction, whether you live here
or not, this does affect you. And I do
think that it is important for residents
if they are thinking about, hey, in the
future, I want to build in San Quinn and
I want to make sure that these fees are
appropriate for the costs like these
fees should only be to cover the cost
for infrastructure. It shouldn't be
excessive or the city giving a handout
to developers either, right? And that's
why, you know, I I I think that the city
does a good job to make sure that these
are priced right, but I don't want
anyone to be under the impression that
these fees don't affect them because
they already live here. Because I've
talked to many residents that say, "Hey,
I live here and now I can't build this
house on this property because I can't
afford it." And I mean, we don't say,
"Oh, because you can't afford it, we're
going to charge you less." It should be
priced appropriately. the cost to the
city should be the cost to the
developer, right? For to in simple
terms. So I when someone says new
growth, that doesn't mean just new
people moving to Santa Quinn. It means
new development in San Quinn, whether
they live here or not.
>> Brian, if I may, it's new impact, right?
That's why we call it an impact fee is
because if somebody builds a cassita,
which we have in some of our zones,
which is great. None of them have ever
been built. But when when there is a new
impact to the system, that impact fee is
charged. And I will also note that all
three of our master plan or our IFPs and
IFAS in here have a deduction for ADUs.
Detached ADUs are actually have a
reduced cost,
>> which we're trying to do. That's one of
our strategies for our moderate income
housing to help try and make housing
more affordable. Again, even with that,
they're they're expensive. There's no
question. And one of the things that I mentioned in the work session is
that Some of our fees have been really
low. Well, they're buying into capacity
on infrastructure that's 40 years old.
Infrastructure that we have to build
tomorrow is far more expensive than
something that we have that's existing
that they can buy into as far as tanks
and water lines and booster pumps and
all the infrastructure that we have to
do. So, that's that I I appreciate you
bringing that up, Ryan, and I appreciate
that that the city through their
strategies have have said the city
council have said, "Yeah, we're going to
lower these by 10% because we want to
help with some of these costs." Now,
maybe 10% isn't the right number. Maybe
it is. But at least we're trying to do
something to help with with more
affordable housing.
>> Okay, we good.
>> Thank you.
>> Okay, one other thing. Uh Chris, I think
I'd like to expand this public hearing,
especially because we're going to talk
about each of these ordinances we go
forward.
>> So, mayor, if I would
>> before we close,
>> maybe we close the public hearing now
that there's no more public hear. we can
go ahead and close that and then and
then Chris can come in or however you
want to do it.
>> Is there anybody online?
>> Um if there are they they can't ask
questions. It's not interactive.
>> Okay. Then I would entertain a motion to
close the public.
>> So moved.
>> Seconded.
>> Moved and seconded. Travis
>> I.
>> Lynn I.
>> Jeff
>> I.
>> Art.
>> Hi.
>> Ryan.
>> Hi.
>> Okay. Chris, could we ask you to come
up?
I know you guys have put a lot of work
into this and and in our meetings we've
discussed this off and on for some time
as it's developed.
>> So, uh
>> why don't we just move into it if you
would like to hit on each of these, the
drinking water, the pressurized
irrigation, and the sewer and give a
high high shot at what we need to look
at right now.
>> Okay, great. Uh I had a number of things
I was going to talk about, but uh it's
it was really incredible that the
elected officials and and staff just
covered every single one of them very
well. So
>> I think we beat that sound understanding
of impact fees here, which is fantastic,
how they protect the existing residents
from having to pay for the for the
development that's coming in. So it's
great. Uh just kind of an overview of
the impact fee studies that that we did
for Santa Quinn. Uh first of all uh one
of one of the challenges of consulting
is uh having your engineers uh get the
information from from the cities quick
enough to keep them busy. But that is
not a challenge in in Santa Quinn. your staff is incredibly
uh responsive to requests for
information and uh what an incredible
great experience we had working with
them.
I I think one of your staff uh took two
days to get some information to us and apologize that it took so long. I
was like, man, if I can get some within
two weeks, I'm really excited for some
clients. So, uh, what a what a great city to to work with, um, on on
this. And, uh, we are we are quite proud
of this impact fee these these impact
fee studies. Uh, we feel like they check
every box of the ordinance and and
they're fair, very fair and defensible
and
uh and and they will ensure that the
city collects the right amount. Um uh
and and and
uh one of the deliverables that you get
which you don't normally get with
engineering studies is the actual study
data and uh that was a lot of work
making it so that's presentable and
understandable. Uh but because you will
receive that study data um and it's
organized the way that it's organized is
next year for for a very low cost,
you'll be able to update it every single
year and and uh have uh it it's it's
uncommon that the lower co the higher co
the lower cost item gives you a better
product, but I believe that this does
that. the lower cost actually gives you
very current up-to-date annual impact
fees um and versus waiting and and and
doing after a prolonged period. And so
uh very excited about uh this in San
Quint. And now I'd like to just kind of
give you an overview of where the impact
fees took you. Um but um John asked me
to to talk a little bit about um some of
the level of service uh tables that
you'll see in the impact feed. Uh one thing that's important is that if
you're providing your residents this
level of service, uh it's important that
the new development doesn't erode that
level of service and and and and
basically make it so that you provide
less level of service u for the
residents. Uh so let's say for a tank,
if you're building a big tank, um and
there was 300 gallons of that tank for
every resident in the community, um
if if a whole bunch of more residents
came in and you didn't build any more
tank, that could go down to only 200
gallons of tank. And so there would be
less supply or less uh uh redundancy in
your system for those residents. Now, uh
once you get to a level that you're
like, well, uh that's not an acceptable
level of service, then you build another
tank. But you don't build that tank so
that it just barely gives the level of
service you need for the residents in
the city. Now, you say, well, looking
into the future, we think we're going to
grow a bit. And so, uh this tank we're
going to build for the next 10, 15
years, so we don't have to build a tank
every It's a lot of work to build a
tank. and John would wear out if you had
to build the tank every year. So, uh you
say, "Well, let's, you know, spread them
out 15 years or so." And so, you build
the tank quite a bit bigger. Well, now
your level of service will go way up.
And so, a lot of times in these studies,
you'll see something that says existing
level of service.
>> So, Chris, I have this up on the table
and this was or on the the
>> Okay, great. This is this was actually a
question from one of our council
members. And if I may, I'm going to
break in a little bit. But the way that
I understand this for for storage, for
instance, the difference between this
2350 and the 1817 is essentially the buy
in, right? It's the the 18 is the
minimum that we need to to be able to
service homes, but we have 23. So in
essence, the difference between these
two or these two or these two is really
our excess capacity. Am I understanding
that correct?
>> That's exactly right. Okay, perfect.
>> Yeah.
>> So, any any further questions on that or
>> does does that make sense? Does that
help you understand?
>> I I mean I was I was asking about like
the source how it went from 2.31 gallons
per minute to 0.97 gallons per minute is
and and from what I was reading it was
similar to we realized hey this is
actually the level of service based off
the data that we should be providing.
>> That's correct. So if we can go to that.
So, um it's the same thing with a a a
source. So, if you drill a well or you
develop a spring, uh you're not going to
develop a spring for just what you have
now. You're going to look 10 15 years
into the future. And so, uh because
you've developed those sources uh to the
point that uh you have 2.1 2.31 gallons
per minute now available. the studies
and and and this is where that data that
I was talking to you about, the studies
show that based on the historical usage
in your city, um you only need 97
gallons per minute per per uh ERC per
home. And so, uh
this was true four years ago when you
last did a study. And so um uh it held
that number was was pretty accurate. And so uh holding to that you now have
as Norm explained you have extra you
have extra uh source and basically
you're selling that source to these new
residents. Now as soon as a bunch come
in and you hit that 0.97 threshold then
you'll need to develop another. So, so
what I was understanding is like why was
it 2.31 to now 0.97? Is that because we
have smaller houses maybe less
requirement like why why did we ever
have 2.31? So when you when you built
this the source that gave you 2.31 it
was probably 4.0
like it was probably a lot higher back
when you developed that spring or or
that well. Okay. Um, but you only needed
0.97 then as well. You just you
developed it. So you built another
spring and it provides you much more
source than you needed. So that as
growth came in they would erode that and
it basically when you when you drill a
new well your your level of service your
existing level of service the the amount
of spring per person will go way up
>> and then it'll gradually go back down to
what is required and then you'll build
another one and then then it goes up and
it goes back down. So
>> I think for for me personally the word
proposed is confusing. I think there's a
might be a better word there like
required or something.
>> Yeah. Uh and and and
we like to use that but the law the law
is very clear
>> indicates something in the future to me.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So this is this is how the
law reads though. Only only you as a
legislative body can establish it uh
that level of service. And so, uh, we're
pretty careful in our reports to not
write established level service when
it's not established, um, until you pass
the ordinance. And so, uh, we could
actually change this, but this is
>> once passed, you could then as part of a
motion, you could say instead of this
now being proposed, it could be the
accepted or the adopted level of service
at your direction in a final document.
What what I'll also do is go up here and
remember that each one of these pages
that's not showing on that one are our
draft.
>> It just helps with that explanation to
understand what that word proposed
really means.
>> If if I may, Chris talked about when
we're when this 10 years from now, 5
years from now, whatever it is, when
this 2.31 gets down to 0.97 is when we
build another source. We do it before
that.
>> Yeah. Because when we're at 0.97 and we
have 0.97 and that's the requirement, we
can't add any more homes,
>> right?
>> So, just like with the tank, the the the
next one, the middle line right now, we
have the the top quarter as it were of
the tank is available for us to buy
into, but we want to build and need to
build a new tank before we use up all of
that capacity and we have no room for
error.
>> Right. But then so the the the proposed
impact fee for pressurized irrigation is
going down. um where like I'm just
trying to understand like where in this
analysis is this saying hey this is the
required level of service per ERC that
we need as a city that we should be
aiming at because when I see 0.97 it
seems like this is more just like this
is what's happening not like where are
we getting so it's almost like hey now
we have a red reduction level of service
and now we're reducing our fees when
shouldn't that be higher if if we want
if if that's meaning now we're at the
base and now we have to go back up I'm
just trying to understand so the
proposed level of service is always what
is required so when we do these studies
we always propose what is needed uh
according to the use in your city so
proposed is required you could you could
make those synonymous we only propose
what you actually need your existing
level of service is just saying well we
have this much extra capacity so we have
this much per resident, but as new
residents come in, that will erode. As
soon as it gets to the proposed or the
required, that's when you'll want to do
as Norm says and build more.
>> Okay. So, that's that that's what I'm
saying is is the proposed level of
service went down because we realized
>> No, it it it would for the last four
years, every year is been 0.97. It's
always been 0.97.
>> Okay.
>> The required. So, think about that as
required.
>> Okay. So, so again this 2.31 and the
0.97 is the difference in between what
we can pump what we have the capacity to
provide and 0.97 is what each home
requires. That's how come we can
continue to build more homes. If we were
at 97 across on all three of these, we
wouldn't allow any more homes.
>> So where's the where's the data that's
that that's saying why we're changing
the fee then?
>> It's always been the same proposed.
>> The fee did change slightly. Um, and it was uh more of kind of a correction
uh uh in the fee. This this is a little
bit of a a a newer way to do one
element. You have five elements of your drinking water and your
pressurized irrigation uh impact fees.
Um four of them were all level of
service before. Uh the fifth one which
is called distribution
uh it historically was done in a
different way. They they they model it
out. It's it's it's very complex and and
um they try to isolate each pipeline and and try to decide how much capacity
is in there, how much will be used in
the next 10 years. and and uh uh it it's very difficult on a a city um that
model um because quite often you don't
collect all of the the money for for new
regional projects that you would need to
because um a pipeline comes in certain
increments of size and and quite often a new regional pipeline will service uh
new residents coming beyond on 10 years.
So what what this study has done is it's
taken that one element, okay, of your
level of service and it has changed it
to um be just like tanks and and and and
wells and and and has made it so that
you take all of the new pipelines that
need to be built in the city and you
divide it by all the new residents that
are coming and you incrementally just
have each one pay for their fair share.
So there's a little bit of correction in
there and and u that is uh uh enables us
to update it every year but it it's very
accurate and and the other is
>> what sorry let me interject. What are we
correcting from last time we did this?
That's what I want to know.
>> So it's just it's going down about $100.
So
>> but what in the model are we correcting?
What assumption in the model are we
correcting?
>> That's what I want to know. Okay. So, so
um the old the old way is a valid way to
do impact fee studies. Okay. Um it's
very expensive though to to do those
studies and and you end up paying a lot
of money to remodel all of those larger
pipes. But uh what what they would do is
they put the model in and then they'd
take each regional pipe individually and
say how much room is left in this pipe
to to supply new residents and try to
quantify that. And um it's it's very uh
what the developers call black box where
um they just say okay uh uh this pipe
can do this and and there's no way to
verify that right because you'd have to
be a highle modeler to go in and try to
figure that out and and it's very
complex. Whereas this new methodology uh
is very easy to update every year. It's
very fair. it it collects the right
amount of money um each time. Uh this is
a very minor correction and and um uh
there there was one other issue too and that is a a lot of your a lot of
your uh sources were quite old and so
they were less less money. uh you know
when they're developed they uh didn't
cost very much and so uh anyway your
overall your impact fees went up I I
think about $650
what you'll collect there's a little
correction pressurized irrigation sewer
stayed about the same drinking water
came up quite a bit um and and if it
kind of helps you with accuracy we did a
little comparison with other cities and your sewer. It's a it's a new
system. It's kind of like what Norm said
where you have uh very modern technology
in there. Uh your sewer is one of the
higher impact fees in in the state, but
it that makes sense. You have a very new
modern system. It was kind of forced
upon you a little bit with with
regulation. Uh but you did the right
thing and you did it and your impact
fees are pretty high with sewer.
pressurized irrigation was was really
high, but you have a you have a newer
pressurized irrigation system. But if if
you look across the state, your
pressurized irrigation impact fees are pretty high. Your drinking water
impact fees were quite low were very low. And so, uh, there there was a
correction there up I think it was like
$800. Um, and and and that uh that
brought them more in line with with a
little bit less than the average. But
what what's going to happen is is as you
update these every year, uh that they're
going they're they're going to
streamline and just be right. They'll
just they'll go up with inflation and and uh uh it's it's a very complex
uh methodology that um impact fees have
to go through with all all the laws. Uh
and and uh um uh I I think the reason
why the development community loves
these impact fees is is you can sit down
and go through each one and understand
it when when you're done. And and so I I
feel like you you have uh a lot less
exposure and you're very well taken care
of with these impact fees. I'm really
proud of them. I think they're good.
>> I still don't I'm asking what changed in
the model or methodology and I that just
was like a lot of talking.
>> Yeah. So,
>> and and I appreciate it. I'm just like I
don't either I'm totally not
understanding or you're not answering
the question.
>> So, part of the I don't know if
correction is the correct term.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Basically, because our current impact
the culinary water and the pressurized
irrigation, the last time we updated
these was five years ago. And so the
correction is um taking the historical
data that we've gathered over the last
five years and taking that information
and putting it into our the study that
Hanstown loose has provided that Chris
has done so that we have a better
understanding of what those impact what
the cost for each connection is to the
city. So the correction, the the update
to those is to address the new
information that we've had over the last
five years to look at that new
information and make that needed
adjustment so that we're collecting an
appropriate amount of impact fees um so
that we so our bonding requirements or
to pay for that short shortfall in in
funding that we have. We experienced it
with the WRF um this last year. we were
that two$ two and a half million dollars
less than when we actually needed to
finish the construction of that that
those upgrades.
>> So Chris Chris, can I jump in here
really quick? I think what Brian's
asking is right now you're you're
modeling the pipes bigger than 8 in
pipes. You're modeling those on a on a
cubic foot basis.
They were not done like that before. or
they were done on length of pipe and
there was assumptions on how much that
length of pipe.
>> So, so again, this is a much more clear
method to go, okay, well, that home
needs 3.7 cubic feet of that pipe.
That's what they pay for instead of a
length that that makes other assumptions
that are less accurate.
>> That That's what I'm asking is what?
>> So, that's what's changed.
>> I didn't feel like you answered that at
all, which it's okay. I'm just saying
>> does that make sense that that's what's
changed in that particular instance?
That's what's changed is length of pipe
versus cubic foot capacity of pipe is
the current way that it's modeled.
>> Yeah. Okay. Okay. Thanks.
>> I'm sorry about that.
>> No, it's all right. I just I was just
like I I I was I don't know how else to
say I don't understand what you're
saying and it doesn't seem like you're
answering my question, but like just to
put it bluntly, you know, but thank you.
I there's one thing I really liked about
that about this whole thing is that you
had a vision that you could take all
these figures that were coming in and
build it into a model that created the pathway for cities like us to get on
board to be a part of it and to bring
those costs together almost yearly and
keep up with uh the cost of living, the
cost of pipes, the cost of work to do
them with which also is a big part of
this. Am I wrong or
>> Yeah. Yeah. It's it's it's a really
progressive way to to approach impact
fees and and it should keep cities out
of the situation that John was just
explaining where you get into a project
and you don't have enough money
>> Yeah. to do the project when it comes
along because you're keeping up with it
in inflation and the way that the per
cubic feet like what Norm was saying
when when you say all right every every
new house needs to pay for you know five
cubic feet of of regional pipe in order
to build all the regional pipe that we
need. It's very easy to say well that's
2 and 1/2 ft of pipe. What does 2 and
1/2 ft of pipe cost? Okay, you pay for
that. And and that's very
understandable. Whereas the length of
pipe, they're very complex formulas
going into it saying, well, this length
of pipe might h help a thousand
residents. Okay. Let's divide the length
by those thousands. So, it was just a
different methodology like John said,
not so much a correction.
» Okay. Okay. Any other questions?
I thank you Chris and thank you for
being here. Thanks for your ideas and
you know what Norm and John have shared
with me you know over this time frame I
think have been important and I see a
vision for the future for us and other
cities that'll really help in dialing in
uh the complexity of these impact fees
to the point that
um we're not going to have to answer to
the governor every time we do something
that it's proven and it's proven up to
date. So, or at least that was my
outlook and I I felt like, you know,
we're on the right track.
>> So, two things that have been talked
about. Chris talked about defensible.
Brett Brett will tell you that impact
fees need to be defensible,
>> and that's where we're at right now.
Could it be said that maybe we were
collecting $100 more than we should have
before? Maybe. I don't think that's the
case because we've talked about the
credits and the other things, but but
the reality of it is is that there's two
things that we have to rely on here. One
is that Chris is the ultimate
professional. I I've followed Chris for
18 years in my career. And I look up to
Chris because he is very very smart
about water. Some of the things that are
happening with Submo that we've had here
that we've talked about and Mount Nebo
have come because of the example of
Chris when he was at Spanish Fork.
defensible and the fact that he has to
sign these things. He is the engineer
saying yes, I'm certifying that yes,
this is defensible and this is the
amount of the fee that it should be and
maybe it's going down, but but I believe
that this is the accurate fee that you
should be that you should be charging so
that it's defensible. So, those are two
key things. Chris is putting his stamp
on the line by saying this. It would be
very difficult for us and I'm not saying
that we would to say, "Hey, we don't
want it to go down, right? We we want
you to fudge the numbers or we want to
do whatever. We've not asked that
obviously, but but putting his stamp on
that is his integrity and his seal that
he's done this according to good
engineering principles and meeting the
state code at the same time, which is
very convoluted. It It is not easy. I
can promise you it's not. So, I I
commend Chris as well. I I've enjoyed
working with him and and every time I
see these data tables that he's put
together, it's like,
>> can I can I chime in? Um
I I saw throughout the document where it
said error, no text of specified.
>> I see this right here, Chris.
>> Something all over the document.
>> That's not in the one I sent that wasn't
in there. Uh, so I I think uh it
probably just whoever
manipulated that here probably it just
>> Are we missing something?
>> It's just a title. It's the same title
as in the document. So it's easily
corrected. But uh
>> so
>> it's a label, not data.
>> It's AI. It did it.
>> Yeah.
>> But what are we missing?
>> It's just the title of the of the actual
table in your report. So it's what
you're missing is table one-4.
So it's the one. So it's there's nothing
substantive. You you have the the
description of the table underneath it.
The only thing you're missing in there
is the one that was attached to the
table in the original document. So
>> but we'll get that fixed, right? Yeah,
>> we will.
>> Okay.
>> Yes. I I do want to point out one other
thing. Chris Chris sent some other
documents today that I want to pull up
here and just show you that there was
one thing that he and I talked about
after we published this that I think
needs to be corrected and I'm going to
just go to it really quick. It's only in
the
drinking water and in the uh sewer
master plans, but in in the table itself
of the IFA where it talks about the the
uh impact fees right right here.
Th this one calls this a maximum the the
original one that was in the packet
calls this a maximum allowable fee for a
detached ADU. There is no such thing
because they've not modeled that. What
they have modeled is they've modeled the
single family dwelling and the
multifamily dwelling that with all the
data that we have this this proposed
impact fee for detached ADUs is our 10%
reduction. So, I I wanted him to change
that because it's not really defensible
to say it's a maximum allowable impact
fee because it's not. It's not been
modeled. It's really a choice that we're
making to try and help with moderate
income housing. So, in both the in both
the uh sewer and the water, I've had him
change that table. Let me let me go to
the other one and I'll show you what
that looks like.
Does Brett does that does that like ruin
the defensibility of the detached
cities?
>> Okay.
» You're not required to charge the
maximum allowable by the law. So
>> Chris, what table am I going to here?
>> Uh probably
that's the problem. The PI doesn't have
that.
>> Um
>> yeah, pressurized irrigation wouldn't
have that because that's based on
landscaped area. So it only be
>> let me go to the other one.
>> Drinking water and sewer.
>> I need to go to the drinking
>> but the 90% is is a little more
arbitrary. You couldn't the maximum
allowable would actually be the 100%. So
it was a good change. It didn't it
didn't change any number.
>> So if you look at this that that maximum
allowable per data detach ADU is in in
is inaccurate wording. It should say
what this one says and that is that
that's our proposed
impact fee for a detached ADU. That's
the 10% that we've taken off which meets
our moderate income housing strategy
which helped us keep meet our report. So
that is one change just in the IFA and
the for the drinking water and the
sanitary sewer that Chris made on the
fly and sent it to me a couple hours ago
and it's not in the packet but that's
what I would ask you to
>> should we make that part motion to
>> yes and that and the tables that are
missing the numbers we can you can make
that part of the motion as well or
>> that sounds good.
Okay. Any other questions for Chris or
for Norm? For Brett?
Good. John,
you're clear, too.
Okay. Um, we closed the public hearing.
And now what I'd like to do is move into
item 8, 9, and 10. Starting with eight
on the adoption of the drinking water
impact fee facilities plan as proposed.
I'll make a motion that we adopt
ordinance number 030220
uh 2022 26 adoption of drinking water
impact fee facilities plan IFFFP and
impact fee analysis IFA is that the one
that we need to
>> with the correction of scrier's errors
>> as noted
>> yes
>> okay
>> second it moved and seconded Brian
>> I
>> art
>> I
>> Jeff
>> I
>> Lynn I
>> Travis
>> I
>> Okay. Uh let's move on to number nine.
Ordinance 0303, the adoption of
pressurized irrigation impact fee uh
facilities plan and the impact fee
analysis. Um I entertain a motion.
>> I'm getting to that. Hang on just a
second. I'm getting to that ordinance.
Sorry, I should have just gone back
home.
>> And are there any questions on that
before we do so?
I'll make a motion we adopt ordinance
03032026,
an ordinance adopting the Sanquin City
pressurized irrigation impact fee
facilities plan and the pressurized
irrigation impact fee analysis and
enacting pressurized irrigation impact
fees providing providing for
codification correction of scri
scriveners errors severability and an
effective date.
>> I'll second
>> moved and seconded. Brian,
>> hi
>> Art.
>> Hi
>> Jeff.
>> Hi
>> Lynn.
>> Hi
>> Travis.
>> Hi.
>> Eight and nine. Let's move on to number
10. Ordinance 0304, the adoption of
sanitary sewer impact fee facilities
plan and impact fee analysis. I'll make
a motion we adopt ordinance 03042026,
an ordinance adopting the Sanquin City
sanitary sewer impact fee facilities
plan and the sanitary sewer impact fee
analysis and enacting sanitary sewer
impact fees providing for codification
correction of scriveners errors,
severability and an effective date.
>> I'll second moved and seconded. Travis
>> I
>> Lyn
>> I
>> Jeff
>> I
>> Art
>> I
>> Brian
>> I
>> that passes 8 n and 10 and we can move
on to a discussion and possible action
on the change order for the Vanc ULS
pipeline. Chris and John,
thank you both for everything you've
done. Chris, especially
um your work, your brains,
um and some of the the great outlook
that you had on on this program and and
how we can make this better. So, thank
you.
Okay, John,
mayor and council, this is um say a
followup to the the email that Norman
sent uh early last week to kind of
discuss our connection to the ULS
pipeline that was recently installed
over the last couple years. So, they're
going to be uh start filling that
pipeline up this this next month or so.
Um, and we want to uh we we're needing
to get our connection to that line so
that we're transferring less water from
our culinary water system into our
pressurized irrigation system. And so,
um, to prevent, as been mentioned
before, to to help this process move
along a little bit further and not have
to worry about getting any access to any
uh, easements owned by central Utah and
by extension the Bureau of Reclamation.
Um, if we're able to get this
constructed while they're under
construction of the pipeline, we're able
to to I can't say bypass may not be best
term, but we're that requirement for us
to receive those easements and that
permission to access this goes away. And
so an effort to to help do this so we
can get this installed in time for us to
um to get us out of that easement and
allow us to construct the rest of the
PRVs that's needed um to make our
connection here uh after that um try and
get that completed um sometime in July
so that we can get that get that water
to us and use it this year. So that's
the purpose of this this contract and
this this proposal uh to make that
connection. So, two things. This is a
ratification. We already pulled the
council on this last week and got the
approval to go ahead and order the valve
that needed to be the only one in Utah
that we could get to get it coming. And
so, that's this is for a ratification. I
would also mentioned that as we've
talked about, this would come forward.
An item related to this in a budget
amendment would come forward at a at
another time when we do our next budget
amendment. We didn't have time from last
week to do the 10-day noticing like I
was talking about in the other public
hearings, but um this is a ratification
and also this money would come from the
capital repair and replacement fund and
then be replenished using impact fees as
they come in and are available to pay
that back. Uh pressure irrigation impact
fees. Yeah,
>> this is one of the projects. This
connection is one of the projects that's
in our current master plan in our IFFFP
and IFA that was just approved for the uh pressure irrigation.
>> Y
I'm happy to answer any questions.
>> Yeah, we've we've talked about this.
We've gone through it a little bit. Are
there any other questions that come up?
Norm did mention that this is part of a like a next phase that we have that we
haven't put at RFQ yet or
>> we have not put out to bid at this point
in time. We have not.
>> So Vanc is doing this work but for the
to finish it for that the rest of the
project are they will they automatically
get that or are we going to do RFP and
>> we will do we will do a competitive bid
process. Okay. So we won't it's it's not
um Van Vancom is is
couple years.
>> Um but yes, we are going to be getting
separate bids to complete that the rest
of that project
>> so that we get competitive to get out of
the easement.
>> This is just to get out of the central
Utah ement. That's correct.
>> So we're just we're moving it from the
future phase to this phase just to
>> Yes.
>> avoid correct the easement.
>> Yes.
>> Yeah. Heartache and pain and cost.
>> Exactly. Makes it cheaper. So this will
come out of that 450 to 500,000.
>> It is it is included in that. And we've
also the the amount for these these
pieces of equipment and installation.
We've also verified that that meets our
estimated cost with Hansen Aloo. A
different Hansen Aloo team is doing the
design and is getting nearing a design
for that full connection.
>> Okay.
>> Right.
>> But yes, that that 76,000 is part of
that $450 to $500,000.
>> I just wanted to make sure.
>> Yep. Yes, sir.
>> Estimate. Yeah,
>> that's all I add.
>> Anything else? I'd entertain a motion on
move or change order two.
>> I'll make a motion to approve change
order number two for the installation of
the connection to the ULS pipeline for a
not to exceed amount of $75,956.
» Second moved and seconded. Brian
>> I
>> Hart
>> I
>> Jeff
>> I
>> Lynn
>> I
>> Travis
>> I
>> motion passed and uh oh Norm sorry um
there was a typo on that my school
teacher can't mount
>> in the memo or
>> if you go to that top paragraph on that
memorandum
um you got to yeah go down it's like the
third sentence it says if this valve and
pipe are not installed
>> that should be installed
>> I I noticed that
>> we'll we'll fix that we won't fail That
was actually great. You know better than
us last week, too.
>> That was
>> I knew what you meant.
>> Still getting called out.
>> You got the concrete guy. We got you.
>> He's an engineer, not a English major.
>> The problem with it is both engineers
missed it. So,
>> okay.
It'll be here all night.
>> Good. Uh, let's go on to reports.
>> Yeah. Just quickly, DRC Planning
Commission, there's not a whole lot
that's pending. I think there might be
one application that'll be ready for
planning commission. Uh and that's about it. Uh so uh we we'll look
at I I will probably take some time with
the new planning commissioner and and
train him and orient him, but aside from
that uh there may not be anything for
the meetings. Uh aside from that, I
don't really have anything else to
report tonight.
>> That's it.
Okay, Norm.
>> Yeah. Here we go. Water. Let's talk
about water, shall we?
>> Love it.
>> So, these are our two graphs for the
engineers in the room and everybody
else. Uh the bottom red line is where we
are currently at. This is this happens
to be the snow water equivalent. So,
right now we're about 8 in of water up
the canyon, which is also very
contiguous or or congruent with the
lowest water year since we've had our
snowtail site up there, which was 2017
2018 winter. That's about where we're
at. these these uh this graph and the
other one will actually come out of the
mayor's newsletter to help people
understand where we're at. Um we're not
in a panic. We we have sufficient water
as long as we're as long as we're wise
with it. Uh our our uh WRF produces now
close to a million gallons a day. This
is the snow depth which isn't as
important as the snow water equivalent.
Uh again, down to about 18 inches on
that one. Um, I would just report that
again we're not we at this point in time
we do not anticipate water rationing or
any kind of restrictions. We have our
type one water that will provide water.
We also will be helping the uls the CW
the centry water conservancy district
test the ULS pipeline this year to be
able to have uh some some water there to
help us with. Last year, I think we
probably put a couple hundred acre feet
of culinary water into our PI tanks
because several of the sources were
down. The canyon was down and one of the local pumps was down and we
just didn't have access to it. So, we
ended up using some drinking water,
which again, thankfully, we have that
option. We have the ability to do that.
So, I don't have any other reports on
anything else other than I just
appreciate the the council and getting
these two new staff members on board. I
think it's going to be fantastic. Very, talented individuals and we're looking forward to having them
here with us and and moving our programs
forward. So, thank you for that.
>> Okay, Travis,
>> I have nothing to report tonight.
>> Lyn, just thanks to the council and
mayor and city staff for um supporting
the Miss Sanquin. I I think those
scholarships mean a lot to those girls.
That's that's just a a pet project. I
love that. And I had two daughters
involved in that and they enjoyed that
and um it means a lot to the the little
girls that watch that too and they want
to be like Miss Adquin. So thank you.
That's all I have.
>> Jeff,
>> I don't have anything art.
>> I was I was able to attend the Santa
Quinn pageant and was greatly enriched.
I was amazed at the the
talent that was exhibited and the and
the confidence and the bravery, if you
will, that those young ladies had to put
themselves out in front of the public
and and compete. And I appreciate it.
Um, I've had a couple residents this
week for some reason contact me. Um, one
is concerned about people living in RVs
and travel trailers and motor homes in
their yard. And the other one wants us
to build a swimming pool.
I know how that conversation will go. I
already I already told that person it
costs more to maintain it than it is to
build it in the first place. But
apparently um
Rever Health in Salem is closing down
their therapy pool and so we have a
about 12 at least 12 residents that are
being displaced
because of that and they're looking for
a new home. Um this particular resident
has offered to donate a lot to put the
pool on. They've procured volunteer
>> a lot as in money or a lot as in
property
>> ground.
>> Okay.
>> Location. Um they've also procured
volunteers to supply all the equipment
and the staff to run it to dig the hole,
if you will. And and they say they have
some limited donations, but
we've had a swimming pool fund from the
very first time I was on the city
council.
And it's grown to a whopping 35 or
$37,000 since then.
>> Yeah,
>> that'll get you the steps in.
>> Anyway,
>> filters. Get you the filters
>> from him.
>> Again, just the appreciation to the
>> Tequila Gaudy and her entire staff and everybody that was involved in the
Miss Sanquin pageant. It was
is very rewarding for me personally to
be there. Thank you.
>> Good. Thanks, Art. Uh Brian,
>> um just a quick update. Uh we had the
America 250 committee meeting. There's
some pretty good things planned for
that. Um and art uh contest um some good
prizes. I mean money for um different
categories for I think it's four
different groups uh based on K through
12 age group. So like I think
three uh grades per group. Um, and then
there's also a writing contest as well.
Um, we also had the community services
board meeting. Uh, that was really
great. We have a lot of really great
people um on the board. Uh, we talked
about a lot of different things about um the rap tax and I think that's coming
up here in 2028 is when it expires. Um,
and so, uh, something that I brought up
and we talked about was just moving
forward, communication. We had that big
rap tax open house. Um,
not a lot of residents other than those
who were on the rap tax committee showed
up. Um maybe even like redirecting those
efforts towards a digital communications
campaign of hey every week someone's
some project is spotlighted to say hey
this is something that's sponsored by
raptax to to make it not maybe a one
time a day but but proactively
throughout the year show residents hey
this is valuable um especially as it
comes up for possibly ratifying that
again. Um, I would love for us to
continue doing it. Um, and I know that
usually it passes, but um, it'd be great
for us to just communicate that. That
was something that got brought up. Um,
and then just when this person uh,
Cammy, right?
>> Mhm.
>> Um, I'd love to talk to her about rap
tax and and the projects that we have
planned. So, if you just let me know. um
because that was something we talked
about in the meetings and a lot of board
members want to be involved um in in the
future. But no, that's it for me.
Yeah, I just want to say that uh Morgan
and Cammy are going to be good people
and uh certainly uh want to reiterate
that um the caliber the uh abilities of
these people that we've interviewed and had a chance to meet prior to this
uh approval today with exceptional great
people all the way around. um which is
different than most most hiring
situations you you tend to get in.
>> Yeah.
>> Um so I appreciate that. I think we're
moving ahead very well. Um
we will uh or I did write uh the
newsletter for next month that is going
to be about the water. It's just going
to go on a little bit more and Norm
helped collaborate and write half of it
so make sure that I didn't make a
mistake. So, um, I appreciate all of
that to all of you guys. And I do need
to ask it's 9:00 that we adjourn to a
short close session which may be called
to discuss pending a reasonable imminent
litigation, collective bargaining, andor
the purchase, exchange, or lease of real
property. a proposed development
agreement, a project proposal, or a
financing proposal related to the
development of land owned by the state.
>> Mayor, can I add one thing before we do
that? I just want to again refer back to
this young man, Jackson Jensen, and his
foresight and his eagerness to develop
this food pantry. I think it's it's just
marvelous. It's unbelievable young man
like that came up coming up with that
idea and he's he's got it all organized
and ready to go and strongly support it.
>> It's going to be fun to see how that
grows. That's that's what I think.
That's a wonderful public project.
>> Yep.
>> So I still ask for a motion. It's 901.
>> So moved.
>> Moved. Is there a second?
>> I'll second.
>> Moved and seconded. Brian
>> I.
>> Jeff
>> I.
>> Lynn I.
>> Travis
>> I. Now, rather than take a great big
break, I think if we just