[0:01] Oh, there he is.
[0:05] » We good?
[0:07] >> Um, welcome to Santa Quinn City Council
[0:10] regular meeting. Happy, uh, St.
[0:14] Patrick's Day. It's the 17th of March.
[0:17] So, uh, good to have you all here and,
[0:20] uh, we'll get underway.
[0:22] >> We'll dispense with the roll call as
[0:25] everyone is present. Excuse me. and
[0:28] would like to ask if someone would like
[0:30] to lead us in a pledge of allegiance.
[0:33] >> I'll be glad to.
[0:35] >> We got a scout.
[0:36] >> We have a boy scout.
[0:39] >> Step up.
[0:39] >> Don't say no to that.
[0:40] >> Step up to the microphone.
[0:42] >> A man in uniform. Yes.
[0:48] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
[0:51] United States of America
[0:53] >> and to the republic for which it stands,
[0:56] one nation under God, indivisible, with
[0:59] liberty and justice for all.
[1:03] >> Thank you. I'd like to also ask if
[1:06] someone would like to offer an
[1:08] inspirational thought or give us an
[1:12] invocation.
[1:16] Mayor, I'd be happy to do that.
[1:17] >> Okay. Thank you.
[1:19] >> Our father in heaven, we come before
[1:21] thee at this time and thank thee for the
[1:22] opportunity we have to be here this
[1:24] evening to discuss the needs and
[1:25] concerns and items of business in San
[1:28] Quinn City. We ask thy spirit to be with
[1:29] us and we ask you to to please bless our
[1:33] public safety and our public works and
[1:34] all of our employees that they can be
[1:36] safe as they go about serving our
[1:37] community and our residents. And we ask
[1:40] thee to to do the same for us as we're
[1:42] here serving this night. and watch over
[1:44] our families as we're away from them
[1:45] that we may return home safely. We're
[1:46] grateful for all of our many blessings
[1:48] and all acknowledge thy hand in all
[1:50] things. And we say this in the name of
[1:52] thy son Jesus Christ. Amen.
[1:54] >> Amen.
[1:55] >> Thank you. Um I need to know if any of
[2:00] the council have a declaration of a
[2:02] potential conflict of interest on any of
[2:04] the items that we're going to discuss
[2:06] tonight.
[2:07] >> Seeing none, we'll move on and we'll go
[2:09] to the consent agenda. um start with
[2:13] minutes of March the 3rd for the work
[2:15] session. We've had a chance to read
[2:18] through them. Are there any additions or
[2:20] corrections? Any items that need to be
[2:22] brought up?
[2:24] Seeing none, we'll move on to uh the 3rd
[2:28] of March for the regular council
[2:31] meeting. Same question.
[2:34] No issues. Then we'll move on to the
[2:37] 27th of February, the council budget
[2:40] meeting, planning meeting minutes. Um,
[2:43] any issues or anything you want to bring
[2:45] up?
[2:46] >> No.
[2:47] >> And, uh, the 28th uh, council budget
[2:52] planning meeting minutes.
[2:54] Same question. Can um,
[2:58] can we include the the printouts? You
[3:00] have the PDFs, Snorm. Um
[3:03] >> I I thought we had done that.
[3:04] >> We just we just have what I presented on
[3:07] the presentation, not the printouts.
[3:09] >> Oh,
[3:09] >> that I handed out printed out.
[3:11] >> Oh, okay. So, yes, we can if you'll just
[3:14] make that part of your motion. We can
[3:15] add those to that. And I apologize. I
[3:17] thought we had those in there, but we'll
[3:18] make sure we get them. You're talking
[3:20] about the electronic files that you sent
[3:21] to me.
[3:22] >> Yes. That then we made the print outs
[3:24] from.
[3:24] >> There's three three groups of them.
[3:26] Those I still had at home. So,
[3:28] >> yeah. Yeah.
[3:29] >> I guess I could bring the papers in. I
[3:32] have he's got the PS too quickly.
[3:34] >> I've got them electronically. I'll get
[3:35] those to Stephanie if you'll just make
[3:36] that part of your motion.
[3:37] >> Yeah.
[3:38] >> Sorry about that. I thought we have
[3:39] that.
[3:40] >> It's not that big of a deal. That's why
[3:41] I'm bring it up now. It's not a big
[3:42] deal. So,
[3:43] >> okay. Final item with the consent agenda
[3:46] are the bills. Uh
[3:48] >> February 28th through March 13th,
[3:51] 649,64550.
[3:57] » Any questions or
[3:59] >> I I have a question. What's with the
[4:01] tablets? Um, was it Are we paying for
[4:04] service for like tablets?
[4:07] >> Yes. So, we have you'll see on our bills
[4:09] that we have lots of service. We have
[4:11] hotspots. We have tablets that have
[4:13] hotspots.
[4:14] >> Um, everything from our fire department
[4:16] to our police to our public works
[4:18] department. and our public works are
[4:20] have an incredible system that
[4:22] engineering has put together where they
[4:23] can actually take a tablet or their
[4:25] phone and go out on the street and say,
[4:27] "Yep, that valve is buried right here
[4:28] under the asphalt or under the road base
[4:30] or something like that." So, I'm not
[4:32] sure which ones these are, but yes,
[4:33] multiple departments have multiple
[4:35] tablets and and many of those tablets
[4:37] have cell service on them as well.
[4:39] >> Okay. Yeah. Anything else?
[4:43] >> Okay. Uh, we've discussed all those
[4:45] items, the minutes and the bills. I
[4:48] would entertain a motion on on the
[4:50] consent agenda.
[4:52] >> I'll make that motion to approve the
[4:54] consent agenda adding um the four
[4:57] handout packets um that are missing that
[5:00] uh we'll add later
[5:02] >> for for the budget planning meeting.
[5:03] >> For the budget planning meeting,
[5:04] perfect.
[5:05] >> I'll second it.
[5:06] >> Moved and seconded. Travis
[5:08] >> I Lynn
[5:09] >> I Jeff
[5:10] >> I
[5:10] >> Art I.
[5:11] >> Brian
[5:12] >> I motion passed. We can go on to public
[5:16] forum. And did anybody sign up?
[5:19] >> Yes.
[5:24] » I thought Stephanie signed up.
[5:27] Wait, what?
[5:28] >> Yes, I'm gonna say something.
[5:31] >> Usually I see those a little earlier.
[5:35] >> Gotcha.
[5:44] Okay,
[5:46] good. Uh, first part, however, uh, for
[5:50] the public forum, I've asked our new
[5:53] royalty to come tonight. I had a
[5:56] wonderful evening the other night and,
[5:59] uh, we didn't have time to get it on the
[6:01] agenda and so I asked you to come and be
[6:04] a part of our public forum. And so, um,
[6:08] what I would like you to do is stand up
[6:10] and introduce yourself, each of you, and
[6:12] you can all just walk up together. It's
[6:14] kind of a team thing you got going on.
[6:17] And then, um, that way we can kind of
[6:20] make sure the names are straight. And,
[6:24] uh, there may be some questions. You
[6:26] know, dogs, bag pipes, or opera, you
[6:29] know, could be the total of of where we
[6:32] go from here. But um I would I would
[6:36] like you to stand up just take a a
[6:38] minute or two each and and but come up
[6:41] together and then afterwards we want to
[6:44] picture with the whole council in front
[6:47] of here. So guys, you need to look
[6:52] better.
[6:52] >> Yeah, I have no hope.
[6:56] >> Step up to the microphone.
[6:57] >> Just got my hair done.
[7:05] So, so yeah, please introduce yourselves
[7:07] and make sure that everybody aware is
[7:09] aware.
[7:10] >> These are our new confused royalty.
[7:12] >> They're brand new. It's okay.
[7:14] >> From just last Saturday, right?
[7:16] >> Three days of experience with this. So,
[7:19] >> okay.
[7:20] >> My name is Jamie Suninger. I am your
[7:22] Miss Santa Quinn 2026 and I'm super
[7:24] excited to have this position. I've been
[7:26] wanting to be Miss Sanquinn for a total
[7:28] of three years. I do live in Ganola, but
[7:32] I still feel like part of Santa Quinn.
[7:34] I've probably spent I sleep in Janola. I
[7:37] say I live in Santa Quinn normally.
[7:41] >> Um
[7:41] >> same zip code.
[7:42] Same everything
[7:45] basically. So yes.
[7:47] >> Um my would you like to hear about my
[7:49] platform and my plans for that?
[7:52] >> Yes, please.
[7:53] >> My platform is bridging music, bridging
[7:55] generations of music. I'll cut all the
[7:58] fluffy stuff, but basically I am going
[8:01] to be create visiting seniors and
[8:03] especially longtime residents of Sanquin
[8:05] and veterans and making a living
[8:09] database that um our Sanquin residents
[8:13] can access to learn more about the
[8:14] history and the people of our town. And
[8:16] I will also be organizing music and
[8:19] dance events to be free for our citizens
[8:21] to come to.
[8:23] >> And what's your zip code? Uh 84655.
[8:27] Okay.
[8:29] >> We're good to go.
[8:30] >> Can we annex them in tonight? And
[8:34] >> I'm gonna let you talk to Mayor Brown
[8:35] about that.
[8:37] >> So, uh
[8:38] >> annexation
[8:39] >> first attendant. So, uh Jenna,
[8:44] » uh
[8:46] my name is Jenna Mlen. I am your first
[8:48] attendant for 2026.
[8:51] Um I am very excited to be here. I don't
[8:54] know like a whole ton. I've never been
[8:56] to a a city council meeting before, so
[8:58] this is really exciting and I'm super
[9:00] excited to meet all of you. Um,
[9:03] yeah, I I don't know what else to share
[9:06] about myself.
[9:06] >> Tell these guys what you did. Well, most
[9:08] of us were there, but tell them what you
[9:09] did for your talent because it was
[9:10] amazing.
[9:11] >> Oh, thank you. Thank you. I I sang
[9:13] opera. So, I sang um an Arya titled
[9:17] Quando Manvo from the opera Labo. It's
[9:20] in Italian. It was super fun and had a
[9:23] really good time. It
[9:24] >> was incredible.
[9:25] >> Thank you. You're so
[9:25] >> It was Okay. Thank you, Paisley.
[9:30] >> Hi guys. My name is Paisley Terry. I am
[9:32] this year's second attendant. Um I go to
[9:35] school at PAC High. I am a junior and I
[9:40] am the vice president of my FFA chapter.
[9:44] Um I did dog dancing for my talent. Love
[9:47] you a lot.
[9:48] >> Um what else would you like to know? So
[9:51] tell them a little bit more about the
[9:52] dog dancing. It wasn't just a dance. She
[9:54] has this dog trained.
[9:57] >> It was unreal. Just tell them a little
[9:58] bit more.
[9:59] >> What kind of dog is it? Gordon Setter.
[10:01] Oh no, that's mine.
[10:05] >> My dog is a mini golden doodle. They
[10:08] have the attention span attention span
[10:10] of like 30 seconds. So it was very hard
[10:12] to train her. But I've trained her for
[10:14] three years now. And so I really enjoyed
[10:17] it. But
[10:19] >> it was awesome.
[10:21] Oh yeah, her name's Jojo.
[10:24] >> Okay, any questions?
[10:27] >> What a what a great evening. again. Uh
[10:31] such a variety of talent but incredible
[10:36] talent and uh uh thank you for accepting
[10:40] this role that you've undertaken and we
[10:43] hope that we wear you out in the next
[10:45] year with new businesses and
[10:48] opportunities to serve and we look
[10:51] forward to that. So let's step up here.
[10:56] >> Thank you. Thank you so much.
[10:58] We want to
[11:00] >> probably stand behind you.
[11:12] » No, but I thought you were like,
[11:17] » we want you right in front of us because
[11:19] we don't want to be hiding.
[11:24] » Come on.
[11:35] not get the podium. There we go. All
[11:37] right. Ready? One, two, three.
[11:44] Thank you so much.
[11:47] >> Wait a minute.
[11:56] » December.
[12:05] » Oh yeah.
[12:08] » Kids event. Can you see that?
[12:16] » Okay.
[12:17] >> Training dogs is a lot harder than it
[12:19] looks.
[12:20] >> Training dogs is a lot.
[12:23] >> All right. So, I have a a handout for
[12:25] all of you actually. So, I'll just get
[12:28] out of here.
[12:31] >> I do want you to introduce yourself when
[12:33] you when you get going. Oh, you can hand
[12:46] » Thank you.
[13:02] » All right. So, uh, my name is Jackson
[13:05] Jensen. I am part of Scout Troop 101.
[13:09] Actually, also out of Ganola, but I live
[13:11] here in Sanquin.
[13:13] Upgrade.
[13:15] Whoa.
[13:18] Um, and
[13:22] uh,
[13:22] >> so much for kind.
[13:24] >> Let's see. Oh,
[13:27] >> all right. Um, I would like to propose,
[13:30] plan, and execute a free food pantry in
[13:33] Sanquuquin as my Eagle project. Um, I
[13:37] really like the idea of my project
[13:39] benefiting the community in such a
[13:41] simple yet profound way, helping with
[13:43] food insecurities. I've had family
[13:46] who've benefited from this in various
[13:48] times of our lives and in various
[13:50] communities. I feel like it's a worthy
[13:52] cause for my time. If you look in the
[13:54] back of the packet, we included um some
[13:58] pictures. Um PAC has actually done a
[14:01] very similar thing. Uh it we've talked
[14:05] to many of of the people in San Quinn of
[14:07] the ones who've set it up and and who
[14:10] use it and they say it's been very uh
[14:13] very popular and
[14:16] just works very well. Um, I've secured a
[14:20] donor from a a business in this in the
[14:23] San Quinn community who wishes to remain
[14:25] anonymous, but who understands the
[14:28] important of this project and has
[14:30] pledged to fund up up to the whole
[14:32] project.
[14:34] Um, uh, for the upkeep, the youth city
[14:38] council has stated that they will take
[14:40] it under their wing to check it
[14:41] regularly and make sure that it stays
[14:43] clean and nice. Um,
[14:46] and all all the hours will be volunteer
[14:49] from uh the scout troop and some of my
[14:52] friends and stuff like that who will be
[14:54] helping out. So, city won't have to pay
[14:57] anything or have to have anybody come.
[15:00] I'll take care of it all. What I I just
[15:02] need is permission uh to place it on
[15:05] city property and uh basically guidance on where you guys uh would
[15:12] think it would be best to go. Um, some
[15:14] locations I've thought of are the police
[15:16] station parking lot or in front of the
[15:18] library right over here by the community
[15:20] garden.
[15:22] >> Uh, these are open places that aren't,
[15:24] you know, right on Main Street where I
[15:27] everyone can see, but still good places
[15:29] that can be monitored but also a little
[15:32] private too. Uh, thank you for your time
[15:36] and I hope to bring this important
[15:37] project to Santa Quinn. I I like the
[15:40] idea of the library or the the UP cabin,
[15:44] you know, just some place in that
[15:45] general area over there.
[15:48] >> Wasn't Wasn't there a community garden
[15:50] over there, too?
[15:51] >> There is a community garden, huh?
[15:52] >> I think that'd be a great location.
[15:55] >> Any other questions, Jackson?
[15:57] >> I'll I'll make a comment. Jackson, this
[15:59] is awesome.
[16:00] >> I am really really impressed. Um, cool.
[16:03] It's really awesome. Thank you. So,
[16:06] Jackson, I this is such a fantastic
[16:09] idea. So, I worked for the police
[16:11] department in PAC and PAC had one of
[16:13] these little boxes and actually started
[16:15] out the sight of a birdhouse and it
[16:18] became so popular, it just wasn't big
[16:20] enough. And uh I all throughout the
[16:23] hours of the day and the night, you
[16:24] would see people putting things in it
[16:26] and people taking things out of it. It
[16:28] was never vandalized. It was well taken
[16:30] care of. It sat just outside the city
[16:32] building and it was just an asset to the
[16:34] community. And I think if we do it right
[16:36] and put it in the right location, I
[16:38] think it could be just the exact same
[16:40] thing. And I think
[16:41] >> Travis, what do you think about over by
[16:43] the library?
[16:44] >> I think when when uh Chelsea called me
[16:46] and talked to me about this, I I thought
[16:49] just kind of over by the library where
[16:51] the community garden was off to the
[16:52] side. I thought that was a great place
[16:54] because, you know, one of the things too
[16:55] is
[16:57] >> one of the things that I think people
[16:58] like about this is the the if I can say
[17:01] this word right, the anonymity
[17:03] >> of being able to go
[17:05] >> and take what they need without
[17:08] >> having to go and ask for it.
[17:10] >> Well, donors like to be anonymous, too.
[17:12] >> Yes, exactly. Like to be anonymous when
[17:14] they put things in it. And I have seen
[17:16] everything from food to diapers go into
[17:19] the one in PAC. So there's no limit of
[17:23] what can put be put into this and what
[17:24] can be taken out of it and it's just all
[17:27] limited by the imagination of the people
[17:28] who want to help and the people who
[17:30] need. So I think this could be a really
[17:33] good thing.
[17:34] I only have one question with it and
[17:37] that is uh will when you have the the
[17:40] youth council come and look at it, make
[17:43] sure things are okay, check for
[17:46] expiration dates or real hot
[17:49] temperatures that may affect canned
[17:51] foods or you know that kind of worries
[17:53] me a little bit. But
[17:55] >> let's get our youth here to help us out
[17:56] for the city council.
[17:58] >> No. So if I can is it okay if I just
[18:00] inter
[18:01] >> interject here?
[18:02] >> Uh no, please.
[18:03] >> Okay. Uh, I like to hear myself talk, so
[18:05] I'll just keep going. As you know, I'm
[18:07] Chelsea Rolley and I'm the youth city
[18:09] council mentor with Santa and I work
[18:11] with Travis. Um, in consideration of
[18:14] that, I asked PAC city council Ryan
[18:17] Rolley. I was like, "How how's the food?
[18:18] Are we worried about spoilage?" And he
[18:20] said, "No, it gets filled and emptied
[18:22] every single day." He's like, "We're not
[18:24] worried about expiration at all. It has
[18:26] become so needed and so popular that has not been a problem."
[18:30] >> Um, I prepared some facts for you. I
[18:33] don't know if this is a hard sale. Do
[18:34] you want to hear the Utah food
[18:36] insecurity facts? Sure, let's do it.
[18:41] So, I am here to support Jackson
[18:42] tonight. He approached me for ideas on
[18:44] how to implement his Eagle Scout project
[18:46] for a community pantry. And of course, I
[18:49] was like, "Yes, absolutely. We need to
[18:50] do this." Um, I've personally been
[18:52] floating that idea for many years. I
[18:54] just never really felt like I had the
[18:56] right um pieces in place to make it
[18:58] happen. Um, my philosophical farmer
[19:01] quote of the night is, uh, the best time
[19:03] to plant a tree was 20 years ago.
[19:06] >> The next best time is today. And that's
[19:08] how I feel about the community pantry.
[19:11] Um, I feel it's the right time. We have
[19:13] the right people. We have the right
[19:14] sponsors and resources. And we have the
[19:16] right need in our community to make this
[19:18] project a reality. The gap between what
[19:21] many Utah families need and what they
[19:23] can afford is rapidly widening.
[19:27] Utah Food Bank said nearly half of those
[19:29] experienced food insecurity don't
[19:31] qualify for federal assistance. Rising
[19:33] food prices, economic uncertainty, and
[19:36] unstable federal support and shutdowns
[19:38] are putting struggling families under
[19:39] immense strain. Even those who qualify
[19:42] are not always able to access the
[19:44] benefits they need. Today, KSL had an
[19:47] article that said at Utah State
[19:48] University, their food pantry averaged
[19:51] 5,000 students, but now it's serving
[19:54] 30,000 students. One in eight Utons are
[19:58] food insecure, which includes one in
[20:00] every five children with seniors having
[20:03] a similar demographic. Utah Food Bank
[20:05] has seen a 35% increase in those already
[20:09] in need just this year. So, this is the
[20:12] time to make this happen.
[20:14] My favorite thing about Santa Quinn is
[20:16] the people. We look out for each other.
[20:19] This is an additional way that we can
[20:20] ensure that we're taking care of one
[20:22] another. We are hoping the council will
[20:25] take this on as an initiative by
[20:27] approving a central location that can be
[20:28] easily accessed by the community. We
[20:31] hope you'll support this pantry with a
[20:32] resounding yes. Our residents should not
[20:35] go hungry. All of the community
[20:36] businesses and members I have reached
[20:39] out to said they are willing and ready
[20:40] to support this project with food
[20:42] donations. They are excited about the
[20:44] possibility to help in our own
[20:46] community. A food pantry will bless both
[20:49] those who give and those that receive.
[20:52] Uh, please feel free to reach out to me
[20:54] or Jackson with additional questions.
[20:56] Um, thank you guys so much for the
[20:58] services you provide to our community.
[21:00] Um, and we hope that we can make a
[21:02] prompt decision on this so that he can
[21:04] rock and roll with his Eagle Scout
[21:06] project.
[21:06] >> I I do want to ask one thing. How do we
[21:09] ensure it doesn't tip over in the wind?
[21:11] I've seen outouses go flying about this
[21:14] size.
[21:15] >> Okay,
[21:16] >> so if you look at uh those picture
[21:18] packets,
[21:19] >> I'm looking at them. the one of the
[21:21] bottom ones.
[21:22] >> I don't think it's in there.
[21:23] >> Oh, it's not in there.
[21:24] >> It's on this
[21:26] >> on on on this page on the bottom. They
[21:29] have uh come up and show each of you.
[21:32] >> So, what he's saying is there's a
[21:33] weathered wood on the bottom and it has
[21:36] like little
[21:37] >> spikes drilled into the ground.
[21:39] >> Kind of make sure it doesn't get blown
[21:40] or tipped over.
[21:42] >> So, it's an it's anchored into the
[21:44] >> Yeah, it's anchored down.
[21:46] >> Great. And we're totally willing to just
[21:48] like do this on a probationary,
[21:51] >> you know, give us six months, see how it
[21:53] goes. And if it's getting trash, if it's
[21:54] something that the community is not
[21:56] finding value in, we are happy to like
[21:58] take it and move it to a different
[21:59] location. But
[22:00] >> this is this is awesome. I know multiple
[22:01] people that have brought this up that
[22:03] have said, I wish there was something
[22:05] like this. I don't think that this is
[22:08] something that has to be probationary. I
[22:10] think that this is something that will
[22:11] get used if not what I'm thinking about
[22:14] is I'm like, is this big enough? that
[22:16] would
[22:16] >> because I'm thinking like if you put I
[22:18] think of getting diapers for my kids
[22:21] >> how many diaper boxes are going to fill
[22:22] there and I know we have such a young
[22:24] population here I think that's like the
[22:26] things that people would really benefit
[22:27] from so I'm just concerned like is this
[22:29] big enough this picture from PA I'm like
[22:31] I don't know if that's big enough but
[22:33] >> so and that was my concern too I'm like
[22:35] bigger is always better but it helps
[22:37] with it being regularly rotated because
[22:39] there's not enough room for something to
[22:40] sit for a long time they're going to
[22:42] come and grab it um we have several
[22:44] community, you know, social media pages
[22:46] where people will alert and say, "I've
[22:48] just dropped off size ones. Go grab
[22:50] them. I've just dropped off this. Go get
[22:52] it." That's how it works in PAC. They'll
[22:54] say, "I put all my garden produce in
[22:56] today. Please go grab it." And people
[22:58] are pretty responsive to go get that
[23:00] before anything's spoiled. So,
[23:02] >> it sure be nice to see some positive
[23:04] things on our community pages, too.
[23:06] >> Yeah.
[23:07] >> When What's your time frame?
[23:10] >> Go ahead.
[23:10] >> Um, as soon as possible. How how long
[23:13] will it take you?
[23:14] >> Um, it'll probably take us maybe a week
[23:17] or two just to assemble everything, like
[23:20] get all all of our parts and all this
[23:22] stuff that we need, but then it'll
[23:24] probably just take a day to build with
[23:26] the amount of people I'm planning on
[23:28] having help. Uh, but um I I also wanted
[23:31] to point out that we're going to design
[23:33] it in such a way like we're going to try
[23:35] and have it north facing and painted in light light colors and stuff like
[23:40] that so it also doesn't become a
[23:41] microwave.
[23:42] >> So much I want to point that out.
[23:47] >> Okay.
[23:48] >> I don't think anybody's opposed to this.
[23:51] Where do you want to put it?
[23:53] >> I like that where we started over here.
[23:55] I like the library.
[23:56] >> That's great.
[23:56] >> Agree. or right next to the community
[23:58] garden between that and the library. I
[24:00] think that'd be a really good spot.
[24:01] >> Maybe even behind the cabin so you get
[24:04] some extra sun shade,
[24:07] >> but it needs to be in the open where
[24:08] people will see it and find it.
[24:10] >> That's true.
[24:10] >> Or where it's accessible too, you know,
[24:12] in the winter so they don't have to walk
[24:14] through snow
[24:15] >> those gardens every day when they're
[24:16] growing them.
[24:16] >> So there there's quite a few aspects
[24:18] here that will involve public works just
[24:20] for coordination. If we're putting
[24:21] stakes in the ground, we don't want them
[24:23] to go through sprinkler lines. If we
[24:25] need to relocate a sprinkler head, we
[24:26] can certainly do that. Yeah.
[24:28] >> So, I think what would be best is maybe
[24:30] to get this young man involved with
[24:32] public works and just say, "Hey, let's meet on site."
[24:37] >> I I also think if they're going to put
[24:39] it on the side of a sidewalk or
[24:41] somewhere that's over there, they could
[24:43] do it that maybe we get some rotomill or
[24:46] something that would give a good base so
[24:49] that you could walk around it and not
[24:51] get muddy at sometime.
[24:52] >> Yeah. Again, I think the best thing to
[24:54] do is if that's the general location
[24:56] that you're talking about, then we just
[24:58] have them get with public works and take
[24:59] all these things into consideration
[25:01] because again, we don't want to
[25:02] >> if they have to mow there or if there's
[25:04] a sprinkler that's shooting into the
[25:05] bottom of the box and none of that's
[25:06] going to be good. We want to make sure
[25:08] that we just plan it properly and even
[25:09] if there's a even if there's a small
[25:12] concrete pad or something and it has to
[25:14] sit on or or a concrete pad like a
[25:16] sidewalk that has to come around the
[25:18] back,
[25:19] >> ADA is another thing that that we need
[25:21] to look at. So, I think it's good to
[25:23] just have all these things and then I'm happy to work or I'm sure John's
[25:27] happy to work with public works and and
[25:29] the Eagle Scout to to just say, "Hey,
[25:31] this is probably where it's going to be
[25:33] best." Keeping in mind all of the things
[25:35] that we've talked about, visibility,
[25:37] sun, shade, access, all those types of
[25:40] things.
[25:41] >> So, probably both uh John and and Jason,
[25:45] >> correct?
[25:46] >> Let's get it done.
[25:47] >> So, what Norm is saying is be flexible.
[25:50] >> Yeah. Okay. Ju just remember that some
[25:53] of the things that have been brought up
[25:54] are very important. Some of the things
[25:55] that you have, but does it need to be
[25:57] wheelchair accessible? Right. We have
[25:59] there's some areas over there that
[26:00] aren't wheelchair accessible. Totally.
[26:02] >> And that's what I mean by ADA. That's a
[26:04] federal law that if we're making stuff
[26:05] available on a public, then it has to
[26:07] meet ADA requirements. And so all of
[26:09] those things we can work on. It just is
[26:11] a matter of how, when, and where we can
[26:13] make that work. So, I would just have
[26:14] you coordinate with with our public
[26:16] works director, Jason Callaway, and you
[26:19] can get a hold of me directly and I can
[26:20] put you in touch with him and then we
[26:21] can go from there.
[26:22] >> Okay. Thank you. Um,
[26:24] >> during the cons during the construction,
[26:26] would there be merit to consider
[26:27] insulating it?
[26:29] >> Uh, yeah, sure.
[26:31] >> Just an idea.
[26:33] >> Um, and then one other thing, I also
[26:36] >> I have to get it passed by Scouting
[26:38] America first.
[26:39] >> Yes.
[26:40] >> And we're not sure how long that might
[26:41] take. So, You know, it's okay.
[26:44] >> It can be anywhere from two weeks to a
[26:46] month. Okay.
[26:47] >> There's something that works slower than
[26:48] government.
[26:50] >> Well, they're government adjacent. So,
[26:54] >> um just remind it be prepared.
[26:57] >> Gotcha. When you have
[27:00] >> good.
[27:01] >> Okay. So, next steps for us is just get
[27:04] approval and then
[27:05] >> come talk to you guys.
[27:06] >> So, I I think you already have approval.
[27:08] It's just the when, where, and how. I I
[27:10] don't know that there's any official
[27:12] action that needs to be
[27:12] >> I think it's a scouts help from them.
[27:15] Yes, correct.
[27:15] >> I mean, you could probably get it
[27:16] constructed and then
[27:18] >> in the meantime
[27:19] >> move it into place
[27:20] >> and then we can move it into place with
[27:22] Jason and John and figure out where it
[27:24] needs to go.
[27:25] >> Okay.
[27:25] >> I also want to say I've had a lot of
[27:27] people ask about this sort of thing and
[27:28] every time they do like, "Yeah, that's a
[27:30] great idea. We should have something
[27:31] like that like Jason does. Give me some
[27:33] ideas on how we can make it work." And
[27:35] then they never respond back. So I am
[27:38] I'm grateful that you actually took the
[27:40] initiative and and actually did it.
[27:42] >> This is awesome. This is everything that
[27:45] stand for. So
[27:46] >> absolutely.
[27:47] >> We need this.
[27:48] >> Yeah.
[27:48] >> Thank you for that proposal.
[27:49] >> Yes. Thank you so much.
[27:51] >> Okay.
[27:52] >> I I would just say
[27:54] don't bring it over and get ready to set
[27:55] it until we've worked with public works
[27:57] to make sure.
[27:58] >> Oh yes, of course.
[27:59] >> Show up with it. That might be a little
[28:00] more challenging than if we coordinate
[28:02] it in advance. Please
[28:04] >> just go just go put it up and ask
[28:06] >> to be prepared and have it done first.
[28:09] >> Okay. Well,
[28:11] >> thank you.
[28:12] >> Let's get her done.
[28:14] >> All right.
[28:15] >> I like it. All right. Um
[28:18] before we do the building permits and
[28:20] business licenses, let's uh go to items
[28:23] 12, 13, 14, and 15, which is our
[28:26] community development director uh
[28:29] resolution for that. uh the services
[28:32] director and the resolution for that. So
[28:35] we'll start with 12. Um do you want to
[28:38] go through that Jason? And
[28:42] >> yeah, so uh let's see. Last Thursday we did interviews for a new community
[28:48] development director. Uh we had council
[28:51] member Travis Ke uh and council member
[28:54] Lynn Mikum and Mayor Olsson that were a
[28:56] part of that and we appreciate their time with that. We had some really
[29:01] great candidates. Um, and ultimately we uh are really excited about the the
[29:07] candidate that we're going to bring
[29:08] before you tonight. He's here. Uh, his
[29:10] name is Morgan Brim. He's there um in
[29:13] his suit in the the back row there. Um,
[29:15] but yeah, we are really excited about
[29:17] Morgan. Uh, he was previously the
[29:19] community development director for
[29:20] Vineyard City. uh he was there for nine
[29:23] or 10 years and uh he's he's very
[29:26] qualified and you know I've had the
[29:28] opportunity to kind of coordinate and
[29:30] work with uh with with Morgan on kind of
[29:33] the next steps through this this uh
[29:35] interview process and uh the more I talk
[29:38] to him the more I'm excited about what
[29:40] he has to to offer and the experience
[29:42] and the understanding uh in in in the
[29:44] area of community development. Um so um
[29:48] I think we've we've been able to work
[29:50] through a lot of the things um and and
[29:53] per our policy the um the final
[29:55] selection is up to the city council.
[29:57] Obviously we had two councils and the
[29:59] mayor two council members and the mayor
[30:01] in the in the interview process. So uh I
[30:04] guess with that said we have the the
[30:07] proposed uh employment contract
[30:09] attached. Uh I know in the packet it was generic. it didn't have specific
[30:13] names because we were still uh
[30:15] coordinating and working on on the
[30:17] specifics of of who we wanted to offer
[30:18] this to. So, uh that was provided. We
[30:21] we've we've provided that that
[30:23] information and we have it uh ready uh
[30:26] here tonight. But we wanted to bring
[30:28] Morgan uh to you tonight. If you have
[30:30] any questions for him, we we would uh
[30:33] I'm sure he'd be happy to answer any
[30:34] questions. But we present to you Morgan
[30:36] Brim uh for the community development
[30:38] director position.
[30:41] Hi, it's great to be here.
[30:43] >> Great to have you here.
[30:44] >> Introduce yourself a little bit. We
[30:46] don't want you to be too windy, but uh there may be a question or two. I
[30:53] just want to tell you right up front, I
[30:54] was very impressed with you and grateful
[30:57] that you took the time to
[30:59] uh look at being a part of us and your
[31:04] preparation was exceptional. Thank you.
[31:08] >> Thank you very much, Mayor. And it's
[31:09] great to see you, Councilman. Um, Mikum
[31:12] and Keel. Again, I I found your your
[31:14] team um your executive leadership team
[31:16] just to be um really wonderful. I could
[31:19] tell a lot of time consideration was put
[31:21] in place as you guys have hired staff
[31:23] and talking with staff too. I love to
[31:25] see longevity and that's really
[31:26] important for for a new hire. You want
[31:28] to you know you're going into a place
[31:30] that that has some stability. That's really important. Um so I I love
[31:36] building communities. It's something
[31:38] that I'm really passionate about. Even
[31:40] as a little kid, Sim City was my jam.
[31:42] Um, Vineyard City was a bit bit like uh
[31:46] Sim City in real life. And I know Santa
[31:48] Quinn is not Vineyard City, so I'm not I'm not proposing that, but I
[31:53] absolutely love building teams. I love
[31:55] collaborating, working with with staff,
[31:58] working with the mayor and and city
[32:00] council members. And so I'm uh, you
[32:02] know, just just really passionate about
[32:04] working with the public, too. I think
[32:06] that's so important. They're the
[32:07] lifeblood of your community and that is
[32:10] where um and and how our planning should be informed and how we move
[32:14] forward with economic development as
[32:15] well. I come from I have four sons um
[32:18] and so when I when I uh work in city
[32:21] planning, it's really important that it be a city that I that that's
[32:25] going to be able to accommodate a family
[32:26] like mine. I also have nine sisters, so
[32:28] I have a a big family. So when I when I
[32:31] look at cities and planning and economic
[32:33] development, keeping that as kind of
[32:35] your central focus, Santa C is a great
[32:37] family oriented community and I think
[32:39] everything we should be doing should elevate that purpose. So any
[32:43] questions for me?
[32:46] >> Nine sisters. I have so many questions.
[32:51] >> We don't have time.
[32:55] So not too many but I
[32:56] >> there there was one comment you made
[32:58] about uh economic development and uh I I
[33:03] felt your understanding of what was
[33:05] important to really help with you know
[33:08] we see so much growth in a city but that
[33:12] economic development provides a uh
[33:15] backbone to help with programs of every
[33:19] size. And I I felt like you
[33:22] brought that up and talked about it and
[33:24] understand that principle.
[33:26] >> Thank you. And I I just see such a
[33:28] tremendous opportunity with with
[33:29] Sanquin. And I think economic
[33:30] development is right sizing it and and
[33:32] really being strategic in how you u
[33:35] bring in economic development. And I I
[33:39] what I love is home occupations. I'm I'm
[33:41] big on that. Just your your your local
[33:43] people that are already doing businesses
[33:45] from their their houses. I found that
[33:47] throughout my 18 years of of planning
[33:49] and economic development, the more you
[33:51] work and you're in touch with with your
[33:53] uh your home occupations and just your
[33:54] local businesses here, the the the
[33:57] better it's going to be. And that really
[33:58] sets the stage for if you bring in a a
[34:00] big company, if you have the
[34:01] infrastructure and things that are
[34:02] supportive of your local businesses,
[34:04] those are the same elements. It's all
[34:06] matter of scale, but those are the same
[34:07] elements that are going to be supportive
[34:08] of of larger companies.
[34:11] >> That's awesome. Okay, any questions for
[34:13] Morgan?
[34:15] Okay. Any questions on the uh agreement
[34:18] to uh the contract to approve for his
[34:22] employment agreement?
[34:24] >> Mayor, we'd ask you to do those in two
[34:25] separate motions. So, one for the final
[34:28] selection and then also one for the
[34:29] approval of the of the employment
[34:31] agreement, please.
[34:32] >> Okay. Let's go to item 12 that says the
[34:36] community development director uh final
[34:39] selection. I would ask for a motion.
[34:43] >> Mr. May I'll make a motion that we adopt
[34:46] resolution 12. Uh, community development
[34:48] director Morgan Brin. Right.
[34:51] >> Yeah.
[34:52] >> I'll second that motion.
[34:53] >> Moved and seconded. Travis
[34:55] >> I.
[34:56] >> Lynn.
[34:56] >> I.
[34:57] >> Jeff.
[34:58] >> I.
[34:58] >> Art.
[34:59] >> I.
[34:59] >> Ryan.
[35:00] >> I.
[35:03] » Now the agreement.
[35:04] >> Okay.
[35:06] >> Had a chance to review that agreement.
[35:08] >> So Lynn made a motion to approve the
[35:11] resolution. I think uh what we need is a
[35:14] motion to select Morgan Brim for the
[35:17] position and then a separate motion to
[35:19] approve resolution 02 0302.
[35:22] >> I'll make you kind of got that.
[35:24] >> I'll amend I'll amend my um motion to
[35:26] match what Jason just said.
[35:28] >> I'll second that amendment.
[35:30] >> Okay. Travis
[35:32] >> still I Lyn
[35:33] >> still I.
[35:35] >> Jeff
[35:36] >> I. Art
[35:37] >> I.
[35:37] >> Brian
[35:38] >> I. Okay. So, the cart got before the
[35:42] horse. So, uh then let's have a motion
[35:46] on a resolution uh 0302, the approval of
[35:49] the community development director
[35:52] employment agreement.
[35:53] >> Mayor, I'll make a motion to approve
[35:55] resolution 0302206,
[35:58] approval of community development
[36:00] director employment agreement.
[36:02] >> Is there a second?
[36:03] >> I'll second.
[36:04] >> Moved and seconded. Brian,
[36:06] >> I
[36:06] >> Art.
[36:07] >> Hi,
[36:07] >> Jeff.
[36:08] >> Hi,
[36:08] >> Lynn. Hi,
[36:09] >> Travis. I
[36:11] >> motion passed.
[36:13] >> Now you have to go to work.
[36:14] >> Yes.
[36:15] >> When when is your first day of work
[36:17] going to be?
[36:19] >> I believe it's the 31st.
[36:21] >> So it's two weeks.
[36:22] >> Two weeks.
[36:23] >> Awesome.
[36:24] >> Sound good.
[36:24] >> Excited to get going. Thank you.
[36:26] >> Okay,
[36:28] we got all that set. We appreciate it.
[36:31] We look forward to working with you,
[36:32] sir.
[36:33] >> I appreciate you guys. Thank you so
[36:34] much.
[36:34] >> Yeah. Thank you.
[36:36] >> Okay. Uh the community services director
[36:40] final selection.
[36:41] >> Yeah, mayor and council.
[36:43] >> That's going to go on.
[36:44] >> I I'll take care of this one. It's been
[36:45] a long time since we've hired two
[36:48] directors in one meeting. That's kind of
[36:50] interesting. We've had some longevity.
[36:51] In fact, my almost four years in this
[36:53] position. This is the this is the uh
[36:56] first time that we've hired a director.
[36:58] We've re reinstated contracts before,
[37:00] but this is the first time that we've
[37:02] hired a director and now it's too. So,
[37:04] um, as Jason indicated, we've we had
[37:07] interviews just yesterday with nine very
[37:10] highly qualified candidates and, uh, I
[37:13] I'll present the the the the one that we
[37:16] the individual that we have for you here
[37:17] in a minute, but I want to tell you a
[37:18] little bit about kind of the process
[37:20] that we went through. We we spent 5
[37:22] hours yesterday between all of the
[37:24] interviews, half hour, half hour, half
[37:26] hour, and then another half hour plus at
[37:28] the end. We appreciate council member
[37:31] Mikum and council member Sitaway and the
[37:33] mayor Jason and I and our and our
[37:35] library director Jennifer Wagner helped
[37:38] us with that. Um had a great divergence
[37:40] of thought, had really good discussion,
[37:42] had uh just some really good interviews
[37:45] and came out of that nine with three
[37:48] that rose to the top. So, as as directed
[37:52] by the mayor and the two council members
[37:54] that were there, we then had second
[37:56] discussions with three those three top
[37:58] individuals last night until about 8:00.
[38:01] And uh just again, the the talent has
[38:04] just been incredible. I my 12 years
[38:07] working for the city, I've not seen a
[38:09] talent pool for contracts like for
[38:11] positions like this in that 12 years.
[38:13] So, it's been really good. Um, from that
[38:16] we had some more discussion and and uh
[38:19] some heartto-he hearts with the top
[38:20] three and and selected one and that one
[38:23] that I would like to to present to you
[38:24] now. I'll put this up on the screen.
[38:26] This is a Zoom meeting. We have Cammy
[38:28] Ellsworth who is with us. Um, Cammy, I'm
[38:31] going to introduce you a little bit and
[38:32] kind of give a little bit of your
[38:33] background. You're on mute, so when you
[38:35] want to talk, you'll have to take that
[38:36] off.
[38:37] >> Uh, Cammy comes to us from multiple
[38:40] different jobs. She spent 12 years in
[38:41] St. George. And I I'm going to kind of
[38:44] interject a little bit here. Uh in our
[38:46] references, we had five references for
[38:48] her. And one of the comments in that
[38:49] reference was that Cammy took the St.
[38:51] George Marathon to a whole other level
[38:54] times 10.
[38:56] So if that gives you an idea that the I personally have run the St. George
[39:01] Marathon four times. I know it doesn't
[39:02] look like it now. It's been more than a
[39:06] decade ago, but I've run that four
[39:08] times. And there at that time there were
[39:10] 10,000 individuals that would sign up
[39:12] for that race. And now I think it's
[39:13] probably closer to 12 or 13 or 14,000
[39:16] people.
[39:17] >> If you can imagine that many people and
[39:19] all their support and all their family
[39:20] and all of the logistics that it takes.
[39:23] Cammy did that for 12 years as well as
[39:25] other programs that she was over there
[39:27] in St. George. And so that's that's one
[39:29] aspect of it. She then moved to another
[39:31] town that's called Baghdad, Arizona.
[39:35] >> It's a mining town that is
[39:38] uh about a sixth the size that we are
[39:41] today with a budget three times of what
[39:43] we are today.
[39:44] >> Oh wow.
[39:44] >> So she actually went there and and built
[39:47] the entire program. They they hired her
[39:49] and basically took all their they
[39:52] weren't very organized and and didn't
[39:54] have leagues and and and fields being
[39:57] taken care of and all that kind of
[39:58] stuff. They put her to work and in
[40:00] several years she was able to turn that
[40:02] around and had a very successful uh uh
[40:04] program when she left there. She then
[40:06] went to Yuma, Arizona for a couple years
[40:09] and has recently been working in in
[40:10] another uh complex in Texas and that's
[40:14] where she is currently stationed. So
[40:16] we're te stealing her away from Texas.
[40:19] So all in all, Cammy, I think you're
[40:20] about 18 years worth of of experience.
[40:23] Am I thinking about that right?
[40:24] >> Yes. Yeah. Coming up on 20 about 19 20.
[40:28] Yeah.
[40:28] >> I I know she doesn't look old enough to
[40:30] have 20 years of experience, but there
[40:31] you go. Um, I'm going to back away now a
[40:34] little bit and and have maybe Cammy have
[40:36] you introduce yourself that I haven't
[40:38] already done and and let's have them ask
[40:41] any questions you might have.
[40:43] >> First of all, we need to know, do you
[40:45] have nine sisters?
[40:47] >> No.
[40:48] I can't imagine. I only had two and
[40:51] that was pretty rough.
[40:54] >> I am the youngest of of three girls
[40:57] though and so I became the boy of the
[40:59] family. So I I grew up playing every
[41:02] sport known to man. And I was my dad's
[41:05] sidekick from the time I was about three
[41:06] years old, which is probably why I ended
[41:09] up in parks and recreation.
[41:11] Um, he he needed a son and and here I
[41:14] am.
[41:18] » Um, like Norm was saying, I've kind of
[41:21] been traveling around a little bit. We
[41:23] are empty nesters now. Our children left
[41:25] us and um, we kind of went on a little
[41:27] adventure. My husband is from grew up in
[41:30] Mesa. That's what took us to Arizona.
[41:33] And we wanted to be a little closer to
[41:34] his family for a while. And um and then
[41:37] the company that I worked for in Baghdad
[41:39] actually is the company that I worked
[41:41] for here in Texas. They're headquartered
[41:42] in Texas. And so um they they reached
[41:45] out to me asking if I'd be willing to
[41:47] move to Texas and work for them again.
[41:49] So um they are a wonderful company. Um I
[41:53] value them uh uh greatly. So, I was more
[41:56] than willing to to move us again and and
[41:59] come out here to help um kind of patch
[42:02] up some some holes that were happening
[42:04] here in their recreation areas. So,
[42:07] that's what brought us to Texas. But, I
[42:09] am so honored to be here tonight um and
[42:11] spend some time with with you at your
[42:13] council meeting. Um I love parks and
[42:16] recreation. I love anything that brings
[42:20] family together. um to play and enjoy
[42:24] each other um and to build family bonds
[42:26] as well as community bonds. So um I have
[42:29] a huge passion for everything parks and
[42:31] recreation. So any questions for me? I'm
[42:34] happy to answer.
[42:39] » So if I may, I'm going to interject here
[42:41] a little bit. Some of the other
[42:42] references that were made to to Cammy in
[42:45] the in the uh references that we
[42:47] contacted were
[42:49] honest, high integrity.
[42:52] When she goes in, she goes all in. And I
[42:54] have seen that over the last 48 hours
[42:56] when she goes all in. In fact, one of
[42:58] the things that we've talked about is
[43:00] bringing her out here in the next week
[43:02] or so so that she can be on site and
[43:03] look at the facilities and get to know
[43:05] the people and that kind of thing. And
[43:07] so as we look at this tonight, I would I
[43:09] would request that you make as we make a
[43:11] motion that we do that conditional upon
[43:14] a site visit and continuing to work with
[43:16] her. We we do have a an agreement before
[43:18] you that we've presented and come to
[43:21] terms on, but there's still some things
[43:23] to work out. Also pending is the is the
[43:26] background check. So that would be what
[43:28] I would request of you tonight. But just
[43:30] we again, we are super impressed with what we've seen. And I think the
[43:34] council members that were there and the
[43:36] mayor just, you know, again, the talent
[43:38] pool and that we had and then Cammy just
[43:41] rose to the top on that was just really
[43:43] fantastic
[43:46] » with those conditions. Then we don't
[43:48] have a prospective start date yet.
[43:50] >> We we do that's one of the conditions
[43:52] and that would be probably about 30 days
[43:54] out. We we've asked her to in in concert
[43:57] with the the mayor and the council,
[43:58] we've asked her to to plan on being here
[44:00] 30 days from now.
[44:01] >> Okay.
[44:02] >> Thank you for that. That's good
[44:03] clarification.
[44:05] >> I I guess I just love to hear I I think
[44:07] Cammy, you've been in a small town in
[44:10] Arizona, right? That was what was said.
[44:13] Well, uh I mean, we're not necessarily a
[44:15] small town anymore, but we're smaller.
[44:18] Um I just love to hear your perspective
[44:20] on like community services, parks and
[44:23] wreck in a small town, like how you've
[44:25] seen that.
[44:28] >> Um that's a great question. So Baghdad
[44:31] only has about 3,000 people. So it is a
[44:34] very small town. Um
[44:37] it is what brings people to to that
[44:41] town. So Baghdad is unique. It's a
[44:43] mining town and if you don't work for
[44:44] the mine, you you can't live there. So
[44:46] it's a town site. Um and so they're
[44:49] constantly trying to encourage people to
[44:51] stay because you have to drive 60 miles
[44:54] to a Taco Bell. You have to drive 60
[44:56] miles to shop at a real store. Um, and
[44:59] so they're always trying to entice
[45:00] people to stay in this tiny little town.
[45:03] Um, and recreation really brought this
[45:05] community together. Um, we started doing
[45:10] soccer camps and basketball leagues and
[45:12] art classes for their children. Um,
[45:15] having multiple multiple community
[45:17] events throughout the year and the
[45:19] entire town would come to each event.
[45:22] Um, they look forward to recreation.
[45:24] They want to recreate whenever possible.
[45:27] Um, it really did bring such a a value
[45:31] to that small community. Um, and now
[45:33] people do. They want to live there. They
[45:35] love what that little town, as ugly as
[45:39] it is, if you've ever Google it.
[45:43] Not a pretty town, but people do want to
[45:46] live there and stay there. Um, because
[45:48] all that it affords to their family
[45:50] there. Now,
[45:51] >> that's awesome. I I would like you to
[45:55] have you comment a little bit on uh
[45:58] maybe the outlook or your thoughts on
[46:03] dealing with a library, a museum, um
[46:07] senior citizens,
[46:09] um items like that as well as uh parks
[46:14] and wreck.
[46:19] » Norm, will you repeat that to me? I
[46:21] couldn't hear. Yeah, he's asking about
[46:22] your perspective on library museum uh
[46:25] seniors and and your perspective on
[46:27] that.
[46:29] >> Yes. Um I've actually never worked
[46:32] directly with a library. Um we had a
[46:34] library on our community campus. Um but
[46:37] it was run by the county. So that this
[46:39] will be new to me. Um, however, I've
[46:42] worked with several different museums
[46:44] and, um, and I think that the history
[46:48] that's that's, you know, taught and and
[46:53] valued also is something that that
[46:56] brings so much value to your community.
[46:59] If you can share what has happened in
[47:00] the past and where you've gotten to
[47:02] where you are now, um, and tell that
[47:05] story, that that really does, um, bring
[47:09] such value to your community. Um,
[47:13] seniors, I worked a lot with seniors in my job in Yuma. We had a senior
[47:17] center um, there and we had lots of
[47:21] wonderful classes, um, woodworking and
[47:23] arts and crafts. We had a many senior
[47:26] games there where we would hold pickle
[47:28] ball tournaments and um billiards
[47:30] tournaments and um different things for
[47:33] about a two-eek period for for our
[47:35] seniors and we would see them come out
[47:37] in droves. So in Yuma this the town
[47:40] doubles in size in the summer. So all of
[47:42] the winter visitors come and they are
[47:45] all um in the senior population. So Yuma
[47:48] becomes a a senior
[47:52] community um for about six months out of
[47:54] the year. Um and so we spend a lot of
[47:57] time catering to our to our senior
[48:00] population. Um and they also I mean they
[48:04] have such wonderful stories to tell. You
[48:06] can learn so much from our senior
[48:09] population. Um, I know that the time
[48:12] that I have spent, um, has, you know,
[48:14] has bettered my life for sure.
[48:17] >> So, one of the things I'm going to break
[48:19] in here just a little bit, Cammy. One of
[48:20] the things that we looked at with all of
[48:22] the applicants was the breadth. You can
[48:24] tell that Cammy has a lot of breadth in
[48:26] different things from seniors to museum
[48:28] to parks and wreck to sports to other
[48:31] than library. She has the the the widest
[48:33] breadth of of experience, which is why
[48:36] one one of the reasons why she rose to
[48:38] the top is because that's the way that
[48:40] we operate around here, right? She we
[48:42] talked about it today with her on the
[48:43] phone. There's 12 things underneath her
[48:45] from royalty to the the museum to the
[48:50] community garden to the library to
[48:53] Anyway, that was one of the things that really helped distinguish her from
[48:56] some of the other candidates.
[48:57] >> We just added one called food pantry to
[48:59] >> Yeah, there we go. I've been talking to
[49:01] her on that in text. She's like, "Wait a
[49:02] minute. No, I'm just kidding.
[49:05] >> New work."
[49:07] >> Yeah. Job security.
[49:09] >> Just uh
[49:10] >> Yes.
[49:11] >> Just so we can move along. Are there any
[49:13] other questions that you guys would like
[49:15] to ask?
[49:19] Seeing none, then I would entertain a
[49:22] motion on the uh community service director final
[49:28] selection that was suggested through the
[49:31] uh interviewing committee for Cammy
[49:33] Ellsworth. So moved. Is there a second?
[49:37] >> I'll second that.
[49:39] >> Moved and seconded. Travis,
[49:41] >> hi
[49:42] >> Lynn.
[49:42] >> Hi
[49:43] >> Jeff.
[49:44] >> Hi
[49:44] >> Art.
[49:47] >> I But I have a question. Is this
[49:49] conditional at all?
[49:51] >> Yeah, that'll be the next item.
[49:52] >> Okay.
[49:53] >> Yeah.
[49:55] >> I
[49:56] >> Brian
[49:56] >> I.
[49:58] >> Okay. Motion passed. The selection takes
[50:01] us to the conditional motion uh for
[50:05] those items that were stated by Norman.
[50:08] don't want to forget them, but there are
[50:10] tests, drug tests, and
[50:12] >> yeah, start date 30 days, just a site
[50:14] visit is due and also just contingent
[50:16] upon passing the background check are
[50:18] the three things that I would recommend
[50:20] this motion be contingent upon.
[50:22] >> I'll I'll make a motion to approve
[50:23] resolution 0303 2026 with those
[50:26] conditions.
[50:27] >> You want to repeat them, please?
[50:29] >> Uh we repeat the conditions 30 days.
[50:32] >> Start in 30 days. still the background
[50:35] check and then also the the she's going
[50:37] to make a site visit here sometime
[50:39] between that to to
[50:40] >> to come and just kind of feel things out
[50:42] and just get to know the staff and all
[50:44] that kind of stuff.
[50:46] >> Okay,
[50:47] >> I'll second that motion.
[50:49] >> Moved and seconded. Travis
[50:51] >> I
[50:51] >> Lynn
[50:52] >> I
[50:52] >> Jeff
[50:53] >> I
[50:53] >> Art I
[50:55] >> Ryan
[50:55] >> I
[50:56] >> motion passed. Congratulations Cammy,
[51:00] >> you have work to do.
[51:02] >> Yeah, she has work to do.
[51:04] Okay.
[51:05] >> Thanks, Jimmy.
[51:06] >> Uh, would you let us know when you're
[51:08] coming so we have a chance? I'd want to
[51:10] make sure I have a chance to meet you.
[51:12] >> Yes. I actually will be there on Monday.
[51:15] >> Next Monday.
[51:16] >> Yeah. A week from the week from
[51:17] yesterday.
[51:18] >> Okay.
[51:18] >> We've actually been coordinating that
[51:20] when they, like I said, when she said
[51:21] all in, she's all in. Here we go.
[51:24] >> Okay. Good luck with the cheer cup.
[51:25] >> And I and I will be there the entire
[51:26] weekend, but I will be on site Monday.
[51:28] >> Yes.
[51:29] >> All right.
[51:30] >> Great. Thanks, Tammy. you can go ahead
[51:32] and jump off or you can hang out if you
[51:33] want to and
[51:34] >> and spend the rest of
[51:36] >> online so I can see everyone.
[51:38] >> Okay. Thank you.
[51:40] >> Thank you.
[51:40] >> Big crowd.
[51:41] >> Okay. Uh I'd like to get a
[51:44] >> Can I jump in a report on the building
[51:46] permit and business license?
[51:48] >> Could you let me know her schedule? I'd
[51:50] love to just chat given that there's so
[51:52] many things that we've just talked about
[51:54] recently. Yep.
[51:55] >> In the department. So
[51:59] » Okay. You ready, Mayor?
[52:00] >> Yeah. Mayor and Council, Norm's going to
[52:02] pull it up. Uh the building permit
[52:04] report tonight right now sitting um
[52:07] where we are in the calendar year. We're
[52:09] up to 100 new residential uh dwelling
[52:12] units. That's made up of 36 single
[52:14] family and 64 multif family. Uh you can
[52:17] see this time last year we were to 75.
[52:19] So a little ahead of pace. Uh fiscal
[52:23] year we're up to 172. uh this time last
[52:26] fiscal year which which we're getting
[52:28] towards the end we were at 195 and as
[52:32] always you can see the previous years to
[52:33] compare where where things are at
[52:36] >> and then for tonight there's no new
[52:37] business licenses to report.
[52:39] >> Wow.
[52:41] >> Okay. Thank you. Any questions?
[52:45] >> Hearing none. Let's move on to ordinance
[52:47] uh 0301 uh the Southerntherland
[52:50] annexation.
[52:54] I'm working on. Sorry,
[53:00] » boy. I am just about a thousand.
[53:07] » You want me to pull up the map?
[53:09] >> Yeah, Jason.
[53:11] >> Oh, I'm going to do that. That's right.
[53:12] Sorry. I'm gonna I'm gonna take this
[53:14] one. Sorry.
[53:17] Um, so we talked about this a little bit
[53:19] in the work session. And I'm going to
[53:20] blow up this map here and see if I can
[53:22] get it to
[53:24] uh show kind of real time where we're
[53:26] at. Yep, there we go. So now the map is
[53:29] facing up as north. The the 10 acres
[53:31] that is currently being proposed as the
[53:33] sunation is this yellow square right
[53:36] here. That would be 10 acres. Right now
[53:38] it's surrounded on three sides with with
[53:41] the county. Well, it's still in the
[53:42] county. And what they're proposing is
[53:44] they're proposing this to go to an R10,
[53:46] which is conti consistent with the areas
[53:49] around it. The PF zone, the blue one
[53:51] that's here, is the school district
[53:54] property and our rodeo grounds. Our
[53:56] rodeo grounds are here. And then this is
[53:58] the this is the field to the west of the
[54:01] rodeo grounds. That is the school
[54:02] district property. Um, it's being
[54:04] proposed that that 10 acres be brought
[54:06] into the city, annexed. We've been
[54:09] through all of the noticing and all of
[54:10] the requirements that required by the
[54:12] state and the county and so now it's
[54:14] here for your consideration. I will just
[54:16] mention that two other items have been
[54:18] done on this. We had we accepted the
[54:20] petition which doesn't get any approval
[54:22] some months ago and then last council
[54:24] meeting we also had the public hearing
[54:26] where the public had an opportunity to
[54:28] ask questions and and voice concerns
[54:30] that they had. So, I'm happy to answer
[54:32] any questions and I believe we have an
[54:34] the applicant or one of the applicants
[54:36] relatives here that can help us with
[54:38] that.
[54:40] >> Any issues with infrastructure?
[54:42] >> So, as we talked about before, the
[54:44] answer is yes. There there's there's
[54:47] always struggles with infrastructure
[54:49] because all the easy stuff's gone. So,
[54:52] um in this one, they're going to have to
[54:54] deal with water. They're going to have
[54:55] to deal with roads. They're going to
[54:56] have to deal with with sewer. and and
[54:58] all of that is done at the development
[55:01] stage, not at the annexation. But yes,
[55:03] there are challenges, I guess, is the
[55:05] best way to put it. Anything can be
[55:07] sewarded or anything. It's just a matter
[55:09] of where they can go with it, how they
[55:11] can get it there, what kind of access,
[55:13] that type of thing. So, yes,
[55:14] >> but the but the U petitioners are aware
[55:17] of those situations.
[55:18] >> I I believe that they are well aware of
[55:20] those situations. Yes, we've had we've
[55:23] had discussions with them as well as
[55:25] potential purchasers for this property
[55:27] that have come to the city to do their
[55:29] due diligence.
[55:30] >> Thank you.
[55:31] >> Yes. Thank you.
[55:32] >> Will you will you uh pull up the the
[55:35] exact lot?
[55:36] >> You want me to show it on the parallel
[55:37] map?
[55:38] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[55:38] >> Uhhuh. Sure.
[55:41] >> Sorry. I'll get that over there and get
[55:43] it coming up. Thank you.
[55:54] So this is
[55:57] the the 10 acres is a part of this 61
[56:00] that's right here if I remember
[56:02] correctly. Is that
[56:02] >> No, no, it's down further south.
[56:05] >> Oh, I'm sorry. That's correct. That's
[56:07] correct. It's a part of this one. My
[56:08] bad. The Yeah, that would have been bad.
[56:13] >> Um, so 10 acres right here in this
[56:15] location. Is it the band?
[56:17] >> Yeah, we would have had a problem with
[56:19] that.
[56:22] » So, that is their that is their current
[56:24] look at that. Um, again, the the blue
[56:27] area that is in the map, and I'll pull
[56:29] that up really quick again. The I'm
[56:31] sorry, the yellow area that's next to it
[56:32] is R10. And I'll pull that back up and
[56:35] have to answer any questions that you
[56:36] have about that. You want me to turn the
[56:38] aerial on? Would that help or not help?
[56:40] >> So, is it is it that that one right next
[56:44] to the bed and breakfast? Yeah, just
[56:47] north of a certain amount. That is just
[56:49] north of that. That's correct. The bed
[56:51] and breakfast, I think, that you're
[56:52] referring to is right here.
[56:53] >> Yeah.
[56:54] >> Yep. Um the the pink line here
[56:57] represents the current city boundary and
[57:00] then if this annexation goes through and
[57:02] the lieutenant governor approves it, you
[57:04] guys approve it and the lieutenant
[57:05] governor approves it, that would change
[57:06] the boundary in this area to have that
[57:08] box out right there.
[57:12] We had a public hearing on this. We've
[57:16] had comments given to us even at the
[57:20] public hearing. Are there any questions
[57:23] or anything that uh you would like to
[57:25] ask? I think uh Glade probably
[57:27] represents the rest of the family
[57:29] tonight.
[57:31] I' I'd love to have you come up and just
[57:34] kind of usually I I was commenting in
[57:36] the work session where I was like I
[57:37] don't really know what the intentions
[57:39] are with this annexation and in most
[57:41] other situations obviously other
[57:43] annexations can be a lot bigger or
[57:45] smaller. I just felt like I have no idea
[57:47] what what the plan is or or like
[57:50] different intentions and so I'd love to
[57:52] hear like what's the current intention,
[57:54] what's in the works, what you know just
[57:56] to hear from your perspective. I know
[57:58] during the public hearing there were
[58:00] some concerns about what type of housing
[58:01] a different thing, but I think R10 only
[58:03] allows for single family,
[58:05] >> so I don't think that's really a
[58:06] concern, but I just love to hear.
[58:08] >> Okay, first off, I'm a little bit
[58:11] disappointed that you moved the
[58:12] directors ahead of me and have to make
[58:15] me wait, but I'll excuse you, mayor, on
[58:17] that.
[58:18] >> You know, I I was thinking that we would
[58:21] put you ahead of the queens, but you
[58:23] didn't stand a chance. No, I'd never I'd
[58:26] never compete with the queen. No
[58:28] question there.
[58:29] >> Are you questioning my looks? Is that
[58:31] it?
[58:34] >> The plan is to we we plan to Well, we
[58:37] have already offered it to sell for sale
[58:40] and send it to several developers and
[58:43] other people who may have interest in
[58:45] it. Uh we we do have some issues with
[58:50] utilities as Norm has explained. Uh most
[58:53] difficult one is the sewer access and
[58:56] we're still working on that. We have not
[58:58] got that resolved at this point. But as
[59:00] far as the family, we're looking at uh
[59:02] single family homes. The R110 zoning
[59:07] is what what we anticipate. And some of
[59:11] the proposed buyers have wanted to to
[59:14] downsize it to the R8,000 square foot
[59:17] lots and we told them no, we want the
[59:19] bigger lots. Uh, four of our siblings
[59:24] live there and those lots just to the
[59:26] south. So,
[59:28] they want a good neighborhood as well.
[59:31] So, yeah, this property has been in the
[59:34] family for 70 years. My father and
[59:37] mother purchased it in 1956,
[59:41] and we've hung on to it this long. They
[59:44] they've both been gone over 20 years,
[59:46] but we're all getting older and it's
[59:49] time to move forward and so that's why
[59:52] we've offered it for sale.
[59:54] >> Is it I'm assuming it's in conjunction
[59:57] with the other land that's already
[59:59] >> Yes.
[59:59] >> just east of it, right? Is that that's
[1:00:01] the plan?
[1:00:02] >> Yeah,
[1:00:02] >> because I'm like 10 acres is not enough
[1:00:04] to do really anything with.
[1:00:06] >> Yeah, there's there's an additional
[1:00:08] approximately 18 acres. So altogether
[1:00:10] it's about 28 acres.
[1:00:13] Okay.
[1:00:14] >> The the part that's already in the city
[1:00:17] could could be seoured if we went
[1:00:20] through the school district property,
[1:00:22] but most of the developers want to want
[1:00:26] a bigger piece to to make it more
[1:00:28] affordable for them.
[1:00:30] >> Yeah. So, on the infrastructure side of
[1:00:32] things, the the city's existing sewer
[1:00:34] line, it runs right along this brought
[1:00:36] property line right here, north and
[1:00:38] south. And so, that would be what would
[1:00:40] be hooked into. But the problem with it
[1:00:41] is it's all downhill from there. So
[1:00:45] sewer doesn't run uphill.
[1:00:47] >> Yeah.
[1:00:47] >> So that's one of the challenges again
[1:00:49] that I've identified and I believe that
[1:00:51] the family's aware of.
[1:00:52] >> Right.
[1:00:53] >> There is there is approximately 2 acres
[1:00:55] on the east side of that sewer line. But
[1:00:59] that's all that could be sewered as with
[1:01:01] the existing utilities that are in there
[1:01:03] now. and and and h how do how do you go
[1:01:07] about you know fixing those or solving
[1:01:10] those challenges?
[1:01:12] >> Well, you you find another way for the
[1:01:15] sewer to sewer out like he's talking
[1:01:16] about. One of the things that he's just
[1:01:18] mentioned is this property is owned by
[1:01:20] the the school district.
[1:01:22] >> The the gentleman that was here last
[1:01:24] meeting that was concerned about
[1:01:25] somebody had approached him that their
[1:01:28] family owns and controls this piece, but
[1:01:30] some of it could be sewarded out of here
[1:01:31] through the through the school district.
[1:01:33] I'm going to pan this up and then our
[1:01:35] sewer comes up like this and goes out
[1:01:36] over here.
[1:01:38] >> Okay. Okay. I I assume that's what you
[1:01:41] were referring to, right? You were
[1:01:42] talking about potentially. But but even
[1:01:44] some of that 10 acres that I'm showing
[1:01:45] here in that box
[1:01:47] >> likely wouldn't sue her with that.
[1:01:48] >> That's correct. Okay.
[1:01:50] >> Yeah. We need a different location for
[1:01:51] that piece. This 10 acres belongs to two
[1:01:55] of my sisters, but they want to sell it.
[1:02:02] Any
[1:02:05] other questions for Glade?
[1:02:08] >> Okay. Um, any other questions on this
[1:02:13] annexation? We've now had the families
[1:02:15] here and and the public uh hearing.
[1:02:21] Um, I would entertain a motion to uh
[1:02:25] on on ordinance 0301, the
[1:02:28] Southerntherland annexation. I'll make a
[1:02:31] motion to approve ordinance number
[1:02:32] 03012026.
[1:02:34] >> Motion's been made. Is there a second?
[1:02:37] >> I'll second. Moved and seconded. Travis
[1:02:39] >> I.
[1:02:40] >> Lynn
[1:02:40] >> I.
[1:02:41] >> Jeff
[1:02:41] >> I.
[1:02:42] >> Art.
[1:02:43] >> Hi.
[1:02:43] >> Brian
[1:02:44] >> I.
[1:02:45] >> Motion passed.
[1:02:47] >> So if I may just for procedural from
[1:02:49] here we send it to I don't John. Do we
[1:02:52] send it to the county first or do we now
[1:02:54] go to the lieutenant governor's office?
[1:02:56] >> So I believe it goes to the county
[1:02:58] first. their final review and then once
[1:03:00] that's all done.
[1:03:01] >> Okay.
[1:03:02] >> So, there's still a couple of steps
[1:03:03] you've done. We've done here the land
[1:03:05] use side of things. Again, we've had
[1:03:07] public hearings and went to the planning
[1:03:09] commission, all that kind of stuff. It
[1:03:10] now will be in somebody else's hands to
[1:03:12] kind of take the football to the to the
[1:03:14] goal line. But, thank you.
[1:03:17] >> Okay. I'd like to uh move to item number
[1:03:21] seven which is a formal public hearing
[1:03:24] on uh adopting updated drinking water
[1:03:28] pressurized irrigation system sanitary
[1:03:31] sewer impact fee uh enacted ordinances.
[1:03:35] Um so we need to move to a public
[1:03:38] hearing.
[1:03:40] Is there a motion?
[1:03:41] >> So moved.
[1:03:42] >> Seconded.
[1:03:43] Moved and seconded. Travis.
[1:03:46] >> Hi,
[1:03:47] >> Lynn.
[1:03:47] >> Hi,
[1:03:48] >> Jeff.
[1:03:48] >> Hi,
[1:03:49] >> Art.
[1:03:49] >> Hi,
[1:03:50] >> Brian.
[1:03:50] >> Hi.
[1:03:51] >> So, we're in a public hearing for the
[1:03:54] adopting of the updated drinking water
[1:03:57] pressurized irrigation sanitary sewer
[1:03:59] impact fee enactment ordinance. And
[1:04:03] there's a lot of work that's been put
[1:04:04] into this. And uh nobody signed up to
[1:04:10] speak.
[1:04:12] So
[1:04:12] >> do you want to ask if there's anybody in
[1:04:14] the audience that wants to speak and
[1:04:15] then we can have either either before or
[1:04:18] after that we can have Chris Thompson
[1:04:20] who is with Hansen and loose that's put
[1:04:22] this together for us to kind of go
[1:04:23] through an explanation.
[1:04:24] >> I was hoping that Chris would get a
[1:04:26] chance but uh right up first we'll ask
[1:04:29] if anybody wants to speak.
[1:04:39] Hello. Hi. Um,
[1:04:41] >> if you please state your name.
[1:04:42] >> Oh, Cara Ganoway.
[1:04:44] >> Thank you.
[1:04:44] >> Um, I'm here on behalf of just people of
[1:04:47] the city. We don't understand what any
[1:04:49] of these public hearings all consist of.
[1:04:52] We just hear an impact fee. We hear a
[1:04:54] fee. We don't know what that means. So,
[1:04:57] we're just wondering, is this impact fee
[1:04:59] specifically only for new builds coming
[1:05:02] in? It's not going to be impact any
[1:05:05] other citizens that are already here.
[1:05:06] >> No, that's correct.
[1:05:08] >> Okay. We just wanted like good
[1:05:09] clarification on that.
[1:05:11] >> It's to offset the impact of the
[1:05:13] building, new buildings and the future
[1:05:16] in our infrastructure. So, it helps it
[1:05:19] helps create the infrastructure going
[1:05:21] forward.
[1:05:21] >> The new people moving in will pay for
[1:05:24] the improvements that are needed to
[1:05:25] accommodate them.
[1:05:26] >> You you already paid yours when you
[1:05:28] built your house or whoever built it
[1:05:29] originally.
[1:05:30] >> Okay. We just want a clarification on
[1:05:32] that. So, I appreciate it.
[1:05:33] >> Good question. Well, and and that's why
[1:05:35] we go through these things right now
[1:05:37] because we've gone through an
[1:05:39] engineering study to prove as to whether
[1:05:43] we they need to be increased or they
[1:05:46] even need to be reduced and so that we
[1:05:49] are fairly treating everyone and falling
[1:05:54] within the guidelines of Utah state law
[1:05:57] in order to even do a
[1:06:00] any kind of fee like this. So, we are
[1:06:04] covering all the bases to make sure even
[1:06:07] this public hearing to make sure that
[1:06:09] we're covering everything and we
[1:06:11] appreciate your comments.
[1:06:13] >> Yeah. Well, I appreciate your time.
[1:06:14] Thank you.
[1:06:14] >> Okay. Thank you for coming.
[1:06:16] >> Hey, mayor. And if I may, I think
[1:06:18] something that can help too with the
[1:06:19] public information, uh, generally we
[1:06:22] update our impact fees every five years.
[1:06:26] >> So, hold on, Jason.
[1:06:27] >> John's explaining it better. Hold. I
[1:06:30] want to make sure that this person hears
[1:06:31] that that so that they're they're here
[1:06:33] for that. So
[1:06:34] >> John,
[1:06:34] >> hey John, can we break in?
[1:06:36] >> Can we break in so that she can hear
[1:06:37] this?
[1:06:38] >> Explain something further for you to
[1:06:39] understand. So impact fees usually we we
[1:06:42] update every 5 years with a master plan
[1:06:44] update. This is kind of an innovative
[1:06:46] way of looking at our our impact fees on
[1:06:49] more of an annual basis which will
[1:06:50] actually make things a lot more
[1:06:51] efficient and more accurate for the
[1:06:53] impact that new growth uh has on our
[1:06:56] community. So uh that's partly the
[1:06:58] purpose for this. It's it's a little bit
[1:07:00] new, a little bit different. Uh like I
[1:07:02] say, you'll usually see these impact
[1:07:04] fees happen on on more of, you know,
[1:07:06] transportation or parks, recreation,
[1:07:08] trails, and open space or sewer or
[1:07:10] water. The reason why these three are
[1:07:12] here is Hansen Allen Loose has gone
[1:07:14] through a process of looking at making
[1:07:16] this more efficient so that our impact
[1:07:18] fees are accurate. Uh this is helpful
[1:07:20] for developers because they know what to
[1:07:22] expect when they do an impact fee and rather than than them uh you know
[1:07:27] one day coming and and looking at a
[1:07:28] development and the impact fee is this
[1:07:30] and we go through an impact fee analysis
[1:07:32] and update it and it goes up
[1:07:34] exponentially. This will make it so it's
[1:07:36] more done on an annual basis and it
[1:07:38] makes it more accurate for them. So, the
[1:07:39] development community actually loves
[1:07:41] this as well, but it also makes it more
[1:07:43] accurate for the city. So, those impact
[1:07:45] fees are accurate and we're we're
[1:07:46] getting the the appropriate
[1:07:48] revenue from those impact fees that that
[1:07:51] match the impact that we're
[1:07:52] experiencing. So, hopefully that helps a
[1:07:54] little bit with with that explanation.
[1:07:55] >> Yeah, we did hear public hearing and
[1:07:57] we're like, oh, was it going to affect
[1:07:58] the public? Right. So, we just wanted we
[1:08:01] were all concerned if it was affecting
[1:08:03] the public or only new bills coming in
[1:08:06] and that's what we were. So, so if I
[1:08:08] may, the state especially on impact fees
[1:08:11] themselves are very stringent on what we
[1:08:14] have to do. A public hearing is one of
[1:08:17] the things that we have to do. Six or
[1:08:19] eight months ago, we sent out a public
[1:08:21] notice that said we intend to look at
[1:08:24] these things. That's part of the code
[1:08:26] that the state code, especially with
[1:08:28] impact fees and public meetings, are
[1:08:31] very stringent on the things that we
[1:08:32] have to do and that's why we do them.
[1:08:34] That's why they're formatted the way
[1:08:36] that they are. We don't we don't add
[1:08:39] narratives to it even though it might be
[1:08:41] helpful for a lay person to have a long
[1:08:44] narrative. That's why we have the public
[1:08:45] hearings so that people can come and
[1:08:47] learn about those things and understand
[1:08:49] them from the the the the engineering
[1:08:52] folks and the folks that help us put
[1:08:54] these together. These are these are
[1:08:56] things that we have to do legally with
[1:08:59] 10 days notice on something, 7 days
[1:09:01] notice, 24 hours notice. All of these
[1:09:03] things are state requirements that we
[1:09:05] have to do. And while it may look like
[1:09:07] that, it's not as convenient for the
[1:09:09] public to have all of the information up
[1:09:12] front, we're doing exactly what the
[1:09:14] state code requires of us. And that's
[1:09:16] why we have these public hearings. Like
[1:09:18] the mayor saying, we're doing this
[1:09:19] because we want you to be here. We want
[1:09:21] you to be involved and understand and
[1:09:24] this is the way that we go about it. I
[1:09:26] often said say to people, this right
[1:09:29] here is the public square and the
[1:09:31] public's business takes place in the
[1:09:33] public square. And that's why we do what
[1:09:35] we do because the state has mandated how
[1:09:37] we have to do that.
[1:09:39] >> It doesn't take place on Facebook. It
[1:09:41] doesn't take place in neighborhood
[1:09:42] conversations. There's lots that we can
[1:09:44] do out there, but the public's business
[1:09:46] happens right here. So kudos to you for
[1:09:49] staying involved and understanding or
[1:09:51] not understanding and coming and ask the
[1:09:53] questions, watch the agendas, watch the
[1:09:55] public notices. There's purposes and
[1:09:57] reasons for that and we do that because
[1:09:59] of state code. Well, there's there's one
[1:10:02] other thing and we've probably hit on a
[1:10:05] little bit, but uh sometimes these
[1:10:08] things aren't changed for every five
[1:10:10] years. Well, if you roll back in time
[1:10:13] and you look at what building costs were
[1:10:16] five years ago and those kind of impact
[1:10:19] fees were associated with that and we're
[1:10:22] not doing updates to take a look at it,
[1:10:25] you're so far behind by the time you do
[1:10:28] an update 5 years later that the
[1:10:31] inaccuracy of the impact fee for the
[1:10:34] whole builders actually is a penalty to
[1:10:38] the people that live in the city and
[1:10:39] have paid for the system to get to where
[1:10:42] it is. What we're trying to do is make
[1:10:44] sure that upgrades uh that are affected
[1:10:48] by new growth that comes in are actually
[1:10:52] helping pave the way without the
[1:10:53] citizens that are here having to shell
[1:10:56] out even more.
[1:10:57] >> Can c can I add something? I I I think I
[1:11:00] just want to make sure that if anyone's
[1:11:02] listening when we say new growth, it
[1:11:05] could be that you live in Santa Quinn,
[1:11:07] but you own a lot in Santa Quinn and
[1:11:08] you're going to go build your dream
[1:11:09] home. These impact fees will affect you
[1:11:12] if you decide to build. So, so I've
[1:11:15] talked to multiple residents that have
[1:11:17] said, "Hey, I'd love to build an ADU,
[1:11:19] like a little cassita or mother-in-law
[1:11:21] apartment in the back of their
[1:11:22] property." And they said, "These impact
[1:11:24] fees are so high. I can't build that."
[1:11:27] So, you live here and you might think,
[1:11:30] "Oh, well, maybe this specifically you
[1:11:32] think this doesn't affect you. It can
[1:11:34] still affect you." and that if you have
[1:11:37] new construction, whether you live here
[1:11:38] or not, this does affect you. And I do
[1:11:41] think that it is important for residents
[1:11:42] if they are thinking about, hey, in the
[1:11:44] future, I want to build in San Quinn and
[1:11:46] I want to make sure that these fees are
[1:11:49] appropriate for the costs like these
[1:11:51] fees should only be to cover the cost
[1:11:54] for infrastructure. It shouldn't be
[1:11:56] excessive or the city giving a handout
[1:11:59] to developers either, right? And that's
[1:12:01] why, you know, I I I think that the city
[1:12:04] does a good job to make sure that these
[1:12:06] are priced right, but I don't want
[1:12:09] anyone to be under the impression that
[1:12:11] these fees don't affect them because
[1:12:13] they already live here. Because I've
[1:12:15] talked to many residents that say, "Hey,
[1:12:17] I live here and now I can't build this
[1:12:19] house on this property because I can't
[1:12:21] afford it." And I mean, we don't say,
[1:12:23] "Oh, because you can't afford it, we're
[1:12:25] going to charge you less." It should be
[1:12:27] priced appropriately. the cost to the
[1:12:29] city should be the cost to the
[1:12:30] developer, right? For to in simple
[1:12:33] terms. So I when someone says new
[1:12:36] growth, that doesn't mean just new
[1:12:37] people moving to Santa Quinn. It means
[1:12:40] new development in San Quinn, whether
[1:12:42] they live here or not.
[1:12:43] >> Brian, if I may, it's new impact, right?
[1:12:45] That's why we call it an impact fee is
[1:12:47] because if somebody builds a cassita,
[1:12:49] which we have in some of our zones,
[1:12:50] which is great. None of them have ever
[1:12:52] been built. But when when there is a new
[1:12:55] impact to the system, that impact fee is
[1:12:58] charged. And I will also note that all
[1:13:00] three of our master plan or our IFPs and
[1:13:02] IFAS in here have a deduction for ADUs.
[1:13:05] Detached ADUs are actually have a
[1:13:08] reduced cost,
[1:13:09] >> which we're trying to do. That's one of
[1:13:11] our strategies for our moderate income
[1:13:13] housing to help try and make housing
[1:13:15] more affordable. Again, even with that,
[1:13:17] they're they're expensive. There's no
[1:13:18] question. And one of the things that I mentioned in the work session is
[1:13:22] that Some of our fees have been really
[1:13:24] low. Well, they're buying into capacity
[1:13:26] on infrastructure that's 40 years old.
[1:13:29] Infrastructure that we have to build
[1:13:30] tomorrow is far more expensive than
[1:13:32] something that we have that's existing
[1:13:34] that they can buy into as far as tanks
[1:13:36] and water lines and booster pumps and
[1:13:38] all the infrastructure that we have to
[1:13:40] do. So, that's that I I appreciate you
[1:13:42] bringing that up, Ryan, and I appreciate
[1:13:43] that that the city through their
[1:13:45] strategies have have said the city
[1:13:47] council have said, "Yeah, we're going to
[1:13:48] lower these by 10% because we want to
[1:13:50] help with some of these costs." Now,
[1:13:52] maybe 10% isn't the right number. Maybe
[1:13:54] it is. But at least we're trying to do
[1:13:56] something to help with with more
[1:13:58] affordable housing.
[1:14:01] >> Okay, we good.
[1:14:04] >> Thank you.
[1:14:04] >> Okay, one other thing. Uh Chris, I think
[1:14:07] I'd like to expand this public hearing,
[1:14:10] especially because we're going to talk
[1:14:12] about each of these ordinances we go
[1:14:14] forward.
[1:14:15] >> So, mayor, if I would
[1:14:16] >> before we close,
[1:14:17] >> maybe we close the public hearing now
[1:14:19] that there's no more public hear. we can
[1:14:20] go ahead and close that and then and
[1:14:21] then Chris can come in or however you
[1:14:23] want to do it.
[1:14:24] >> Is there anybody online?
[1:14:26] >> Um if there are they they can't ask
[1:14:29] questions. It's not interactive.
[1:14:31] >> Okay. Then I would entertain a motion to
[1:14:34] close the public.
[1:14:35] >> So moved.
[1:14:35] >> Seconded.
[1:14:37] >> Moved and seconded. Travis
[1:14:39] >> I.
[1:14:39] >> Lynn I.
[1:14:40] >> Jeff
[1:14:41] >> I.
[1:14:41] >> Art.
[1:14:42] >> Hi.
[1:14:42] >> Ryan.
[1:14:43] >> Hi.
[1:14:44] >> Okay. Chris, could we ask you to come
[1:14:46] up?
[1:14:47] I know you guys have put a lot of work
[1:14:49] into this and and in our meetings we've
[1:14:51] discussed this off and on for some time
[1:14:54] as it's developed.
[1:14:56] >> So, uh
[1:14:58] >> why don't we just move into it if you
[1:15:00] would like to hit on each of these, the
[1:15:03] drinking water, the pressurized
[1:15:04] irrigation, and the sewer and give a
[1:15:07] high high shot at what we need to look
[1:15:10] at right now.
[1:15:11] >> Okay, great. Uh I had a number of things
[1:15:13] I was going to talk about, but uh it's
[1:15:16] it was really incredible that the
[1:15:18] elected officials and and staff just
[1:15:20] covered every single one of them very
[1:15:22] well. So
[1:15:23] >> I think we beat that sound understanding
[1:15:25] of impact fees here, which is fantastic,
[1:15:28] how they protect the existing residents
[1:15:30] from having to pay for the for the
[1:15:32] development that's coming in. So it's
[1:15:34] great. Uh just kind of an overview of
[1:15:39] the impact fee studies that that we did
[1:15:41] for Santa Quinn. Uh first of all uh one
[1:15:45] of one of the challenges of consulting
[1:15:49] is uh having your engineers uh get the
[1:15:53] information from from the cities quick
[1:15:56] enough to keep them busy. But that is
[1:15:59] not a challenge in in Santa Quinn. your staff is incredibly
[1:16:04] uh responsive to requests for
[1:16:06] information and uh what an incredible
[1:16:10] great experience we had working with
[1:16:12] them.
[1:16:13] I I think one of your staff uh took two
[1:16:18] days to get some information to us and apologize that it took so long. I
[1:16:23] was like, man, if I can get some within
[1:16:26] two weeks, I'm really excited for some
[1:16:28] clients. So, uh, what a what a great city to to work with, um, on on
[1:16:34] this. And, uh, we are we are quite proud
[1:16:36] of this impact fee these these impact
[1:16:38] fee studies. Uh, we feel like they check
[1:16:41] every box of the ordinance and and
[1:16:43] they're fair, very fair and defensible
[1:16:45] and
[1:16:47] uh and and they will ensure that the
[1:16:50] city collects the right amount. Um uh
[1:16:53] and and and
[1:16:55] uh one of the deliverables that you get
[1:16:57] which you don't normally get with
[1:16:58] engineering studies is the actual study
[1:17:01] data and uh that was a lot of work
[1:17:04] making it so that's presentable and
[1:17:06] understandable. Uh but because you will
[1:17:09] receive that study data um and it's
[1:17:12] organized the way that it's organized is
[1:17:14] next year for for a very low cost,
[1:17:17] you'll be able to update it every single
[1:17:19] year and and uh have uh it it's it's
[1:17:23] uncommon that the lower co the higher co
[1:17:27] the lower cost item gives you a better
[1:17:30] product, but I believe that this does
[1:17:32] that. the lower cost actually gives you
[1:17:35] very current up-to-date annual impact
[1:17:37] fees um and versus waiting and and and
[1:17:41] doing after a prolonged period. And so
[1:17:44] uh very excited about uh this in San
[1:17:47] Quint. And now I'd like to just kind of
[1:17:49] give you an overview of where the impact
[1:17:51] fees took you. Um but um John asked me
[1:17:55] to to talk a little bit about um some of
[1:17:59] the level of service uh tables that
[1:18:02] you'll see in the impact feed. Uh one thing that's important is that if
[1:18:07] you're providing your residents this
[1:18:09] level of service, uh it's important that
[1:18:11] the new development doesn't erode that
[1:18:14] level of service and and and and
[1:18:16] basically make it so that you provide
[1:18:18] less level of service u for the
[1:18:21] residents. Uh so let's say for a tank,
[1:18:25] if you're building a big tank, um and
[1:18:28] there was 300 gallons of that tank for
[1:18:31] every resident in the community, um
[1:18:35] if if a whole bunch of more residents
[1:18:38] came in and you didn't build any more
[1:18:40] tank, that could go down to only 200
[1:18:42] gallons of tank. And so there would be
[1:18:44] less supply or less uh uh redundancy in
[1:18:47] your system for those residents. Now, uh
[1:18:50] once you get to a level that you're
[1:18:52] like, well, uh that's not an acceptable
[1:18:56] level of service, then you build another
[1:18:57] tank. But you don't build that tank so
[1:19:00] that it just barely gives the level of
[1:19:04] service you need for the residents in
[1:19:06] the city. Now, you say, well, looking
[1:19:08] into the future, we think we're going to
[1:19:09] grow a bit. And so, uh this tank we're
[1:19:12] going to build for the next 10, 15
[1:19:14] years, so we don't have to build a tank
[1:19:16] every It's a lot of work to build a
[1:19:18] tank. and John would wear out if you had
[1:19:20] to build the tank every year. So, uh you
[1:19:22] say, "Well, let's, you know, spread them
[1:19:24] out 15 years or so." And so, you build
[1:19:26] the tank quite a bit bigger. Well, now
[1:19:29] your level of service will go way up.
[1:19:32] And so, a lot of times in these studies,
[1:19:34] you'll see something that says existing
[1:19:35] level of service.
[1:19:36] >> So, Chris, I have this up on the table
[1:19:38] and this was or on the the
[1:19:40] >> Okay, great. This is this was actually a
[1:19:41] question from one of our council
[1:19:43] members. And if I may, I'm going to
[1:19:44] break in a little bit. But the way that
[1:19:45] I understand this for for storage, for
[1:19:47] instance, the difference between this
[1:19:49] 2350 and the 1817 is essentially the buy
[1:19:53] in, right? It's the the 18 is the
[1:19:55] minimum that we need to to be able to
[1:19:58] service homes, but we have 23. So in
[1:20:02] essence, the difference between these
[1:20:04] two or these two or these two is really
[1:20:06] our excess capacity. Am I understanding
[1:20:08] that correct?
[1:20:08] >> That's exactly right. Okay, perfect.
[1:20:11] >> Yeah.
[1:20:11] >> So, any any further questions on that or
[1:20:14] >> does does that make sense? Does that
[1:20:16] help you understand?
[1:20:16] >> I I mean I was I was asking about like
[1:20:19] the source how it went from 2.31 gallons
[1:20:21] per minute to 0.97 gallons per minute is
[1:20:24] and and from what I was reading it was
[1:20:27] similar to we realized hey this is
[1:20:30] actually the level of service based off
[1:20:32] the data that we should be providing.
[1:20:34] >> That's correct. So if we can go to that.
[1:20:36] So, um it's the same thing with a a a
[1:20:40] source. So, if you drill a well or you
[1:20:43] develop a spring, uh you're not going to
[1:20:47] develop a spring for just what you have
[1:20:49] now. You're going to look 10 15 years
[1:20:50] into the future. And so, uh because
[1:20:53] you've developed those sources uh to the
[1:20:56] point that uh you have 2.1 2.31 gallons
[1:21:01] per minute now available. the studies
[1:21:05] and and and this is where that data that
[1:21:07] I was talking to you about, the studies
[1:21:09] show that based on the historical usage
[1:21:12] in your city, um you only need 97
[1:21:17] gallons per minute per per uh ERC per
[1:21:21] home. And so, uh
[1:21:25] this was true four years ago when you
[1:21:27] last did a study. And so um uh it held
[1:21:32] that number was was pretty accurate. And so uh holding to that you now have
[1:21:39] as Norm explained you have extra you
[1:21:43] have extra uh source and basically
[1:21:46] you're selling that source to these new
[1:21:49] residents. Now as soon as a bunch come
[1:21:51] in and you hit that 0.97 threshold then
[1:21:55] you'll need to develop another. So, so
[1:21:56] what I was understanding is like why was
[1:21:59] it 2.31 to now 0.97? Is that because we
[1:22:02] have smaller houses maybe less
[1:22:05] requirement like why why did we ever
[1:22:07] have 2.31? So when you when you built
[1:22:10] this the source that gave you 2.31 it
[1:22:13] was probably 4.0
[1:22:16] like it was probably a lot higher back
[1:22:17] when you developed that spring or or
[1:22:20] that well. Okay. Um, but you only needed
[1:22:24] 0.97 then as well. You just you
[1:22:27] developed it. So you built another
[1:22:29] spring and it provides you much more
[1:22:32] source than you needed. So that as
[1:22:34] growth came in they would erode that and
[1:22:35] it basically when you when you drill a
[1:22:38] new well your your level of service your
[1:22:40] existing level of service the the amount
[1:22:42] of spring per person will go way up
[1:22:45] >> and then it'll gradually go back down to
[1:22:47] what is required and then you'll build
[1:22:49] another one and then then it goes up and
[1:22:51] it goes back down. So
[1:22:52] >> I think for for me personally the word
[1:22:55] proposed is confusing. I think there's a
[1:22:58] might be a better word there like
[1:23:00] required or something.
[1:23:02] >> Yeah. Uh and and and
[1:23:04] we like to use that but the law the law
[1:23:07] is very clear
[1:23:10] >> indicates something in the future to me.
[1:23:12] >> Yeah. Yeah. So this is this is how the
[1:23:14] law reads though. Only only you as a
[1:23:17] legislative body can establish it uh
[1:23:21] that level of service. And so, uh, we're
[1:23:24] pretty careful in our reports to not
[1:23:27] write established level service when
[1:23:29] it's not established, um, until you pass
[1:23:32] the ordinance. And so, uh, we could
[1:23:36] actually change this, but this is
[1:23:39] >> once passed, you could then as part of a
[1:23:42] motion, you could say instead of this
[1:23:43] now being proposed, it could be the
[1:23:45] accepted or the adopted level of service
[1:23:48] at your direction in a final document.
[1:23:50] What what I'll also do is go up here and
[1:23:52] remember that each one of these pages
[1:23:55] that's not showing on that one are our
[1:23:56] draft.
[1:23:57] >> It just helps with that explanation to
[1:23:59] understand what that word proposed
[1:24:01] really means.
[1:24:03] >> If if I may, Chris talked about when
[1:24:05] we're when this 10 years from now, 5
[1:24:07] years from now, whatever it is, when
[1:24:08] this 2.31 gets down to 0.97 is when we
[1:24:12] build another source. We do it before
[1:24:14] that.
[1:24:14] >> Yeah. Because when we're at 0.97 and we
[1:24:17] have 0.97 and that's the requirement, we
[1:24:19] can't add any more homes,
[1:24:20] >> right?
[1:24:21] >> So, just like with the tank, the the the
[1:24:24] next one, the middle line right now, we
[1:24:26] have the the top quarter as it were of
[1:24:28] the tank is available for us to buy
[1:24:30] into, but we want to build and need to
[1:24:33] build a new tank before we use up all of
[1:24:35] that capacity and we have no room for
[1:24:38] error.
[1:24:38] >> Right. But then so the the the proposed
[1:24:42] impact fee for pressurized irrigation is
[1:24:45] going down. um where like I'm just
[1:24:48] trying to understand like where in this
[1:24:50] analysis is this saying hey this is the
[1:24:54] required level of service per ERC that
[1:24:58] we need as a city that we should be
[1:25:00] aiming at because when I see 0.97 it
[1:25:04] seems like this is more just like this
[1:25:05] is what's happening not like where are
[1:25:08] we getting so it's almost like hey now
[1:25:11] we have a red reduction level of service
[1:25:13] and now we're reducing our fees when
[1:25:15] shouldn't that be higher if if we want
[1:25:18] if if that's meaning now we're at the
[1:25:20] base and now we have to go back up I'm
[1:25:22] just trying to understand so the
[1:25:23] proposed level of service is always what
[1:25:25] is required so when we do these studies
[1:25:28] we always propose what is needed uh
[1:25:31] according to the use in your city so
[1:25:33] proposed is required you could you could
[1:25:36] make those synonymous we only propose
[1:25:38] what you actually need your existing
[1:25:40] level of service is just saying well we
[1:25:43] have this much extra capacity so we have
[1:25:45] this much per resident, but as new
[1:25:47] residents come in, that will erode. As
[1:25:50] soon as it gets to the proposed or the
[1:25:52] required, that's when you'll want to do
[1:25:54] as Norm says and build more.
[1:25:57] >> Okay. So, that's that that's what I'm
[1:25:58] saying is is the proposed level of
[1:26:00] service went down because we realized
[1:26:03] >> No, it it it would for the last four
[1:26:05] years, every year is been 0.97. It's
[1:26:08] always been 0.97.
[1:26:09] >> Okay.
[1:26:09] >> The required. So, think about that as
[1:26:11] required.
[1:26:12] >> Okay. So, so again this 2.31 and the
[1:26:14] 0.97 is the difference in between what
[1:26:17] we can pump what we have the capacity to
[1:26:19] provide and 0.97 is what each home
[1:26:22] requires. That's how come we can
[1:26:24] continue to build more homes. If we were
[1:26:26] at 97 across on all three of these, we
[1:26:28] wouldn't allow any more homes.
[1:26:29] >> So where's the where's the data that's
[1:26:32] that that's saying why we're changing
[1:26:35] the fee then?
[1:26:37] >> It's always been the same proposed.
[1:26:38] >> The fee did change slightly. Um, and it was uh more of kind of a correction
[1:26:46] uh uh in the fee. This this is a little
[1:26:50] bit of a a a newer way to do one
[1:26:54] element. You have five elements of your drinking water and your
[1:26:58] pressurized irrigation uh impact fees.
[1:27:01] Um four of them were all level of
[1:27:04] service before. Uh the fifth one which
[1:27:07] is called distribution
[1:27:09] uh it historically was done in a
[1:27:11] different way. They they they model it
[1:27:13] out. It's it's it's very complex and and
[1:27:18] um they try to isolate each pipeline and and try to decide how much capacity
[1:27:25] is in there, how much will be used in
[1:27:26] the next 10 years. and and uh uh it it's very difficult on a a city um that
[1:27:36] model um because quite often you don't
[1:27:40] collect all of the the money for for new
[1:27:43] regional projects that you would need to
[1:27:45] because um a pipeline comes in certain
[1:27:49] increments of size and and quite often a new regional pipeline will service uh
[1:27:56] new residents coming beyond on 10 years.
[1:27:59] So what what this study has done is it's
[1:28:02] taken that one element, okay, of your
[1:28:06] level of service and it has changed it
[1:28:09] to um be just like tanks and and and and
[1:28:13] wells and and and has made it so that
[1:28:18] you take all of the new pipelines that
[1:28:20] need to be built in the city and you
[1:28:21] divide it by all the new residents that
[1:28:23] are coming and you incrementally just
[1:28:25] have each one pay for their fair share.
[1:28:27] So there's a little bit of correction in
[1:28:29] there and and u that is uh uh enables us
[1:28:36] to update it every year but it it's very
[1:28:39] accurate and and the other is
[1:28:41] >> what sorry let me interject. What are we
[1:28:43] correcting from last time we did this?
[1:28:46] That's what I want to know.
[1:28:47] >> So it's just it's going down about $100.
[1:28:50] So
[1:28:50] >> but what in the model are we correcting?
[1:28:53] What assumption in the model are we
[1:28:55] correcting?
[1:28:56] >> That's what I want to know. Okay. So, so
[1:28:59] um the old the old way is a valid way to
[1:29:03] do impact fee studies. Okay. Um it's
[1:29:08] very expensive though to to do those
[1:29:10] studies and and you end up paying a lot
[1:29:12] of money to remodel all of those larger
[1:29:15] pipes. But uh what what they would do is
[1:29:19] they put the model in and then they'd
[1:29:21] take each regional pipe individually and
[1:29:23] say how much room is left in this pipe
[1:29:26] to to supply new residents and try to
[1:29:28] quantify that. And um it's it's very uh
[1:29:33] what the developers call black box where
[1:29:37] um they just say okay uh uh this pipe
[1:29:41] can do this and and there's no way to
[1:29:43] verify that right because you'd have to
[1:29:46] be a highle modeler to go in and try to
[1:29:49] figure that out and and it's very
[1:29:51] complex. Whereas this new methodology uh
[1:29:55] is very easy to update every year. It's
[1:29:57] very fair. it it collects the right
[1:30:00] amount of money um each time. Uh this is
[1:30:03] a very minor correction and and um uh
[1:30:08] there there was one other issue too and that is a a lot of your a lot of
[1:30:13] your uh sources were quite old and so
[1:30:17] they were less less money. uh you know
[1:30:20] when they're developed they uh didn't
[1:30:23] cost very much and so uh anyway your
[1:30:27] overall your impact fees went up I I
[1:30:30] think about $650
[1:30:32] what you'll collect there's a little
[1:30:34] correction pressurized irrigation sewer
[1:30:36] stayed about the same drinking water
[1:30:38] came up quite a bit um and and if it
[1:30:42] kind of helps you with accuracy we did a
[1:30:45] little comparison with other cities and your sewer. It's a it's a new
[1:30:51] system. It's kind of like what Norm said
[1:30:53] where you have uh very modern technology
[1:30:57] in there. Uh your sewer is one of the
[1:30:59] higher impact fees in in the state, but
[1:31:03] it that makes sense. You have a very new
[1:31:05] modern system. It was kind of forced
[1:31:08] upon you a little bit with with
[1:31:09] regulation. Uh but you did the right
[1:31:12] thing and you did it and your impact
[1:31:13] fees are pretty high with sewer.
[1:31:14] pressurized irrigation was was really
[1:31:17] high, but you have a you have a newer
[1:31:18] pressurized irrigation system. But if if
[1:31:21] you look across the state, your
[1:31:23] pressurized irrigation impact fees are pretty high. Your drinking water
[1:31:27] impact fees were quite low were very low. And so, uh, there there was a
[1:31:33] correction there up I think it was like
[1:31:35] $800. Um, and and and that uh that
[1:31:39] brought them more in line with with a
[1:31:41] little bit less than the average. But
[1:31:43] what what's going to happen is is as you
[1:31:46] update these every year, uh that they're
[1:31:48] going they're they're going to
[1:31:51] streamline and just be right. They'll
[1:31:54] just they'll go up with inflation and and uh uh it's it's a very complex
[1:32:01] uh methodology that um impact fees have
[1:32:04] to go through with all all the laws. Uh
[1:32:07] and and uh um uh I I think the reason
[1:32:13] why the development community loves
[1:32:15] these impact fees is is you can sit down
[1:32:18] and go through each one and understand
[1:32:20] it when when you're done. And and so I I
[1:32:23] feel like you you have uh a lot less
[1:32:26] exposure and you're very well taken care
[1:32:29] of with these impact fees. I'm really
[1:32:31] proud of them. I think they're good.
[1:32:34] >> I still don't I'm asking what changed in
[1:32:38] the model or methodology and I that just
[1:32:41] was like a lot of talking.
[1:32:43] >> Yeah. So,
[1:32:44] >> and and I appreciate it. I'm just like I
[1:32:46] don't either I'm totally not
[1:32:48] understanding or you're not answering
[1:32:49] the question.
[1:32:50] >> So, part of the I don't know if
[1:32:52] correction is the correct term.
[1:32:54] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[1:32:55] >> Basically, because our current impact
[1:32:57] the culinary water and the pressurized
[1:32:59] irrigation, the last time we updated
[1:33:01] these was five years ago. And so the
[1:33:03] correction is um taking the historical
[1:33:07] data that we've gathered over the last
[1:33:09] five years and taking that information
[1:33:12] and putting it into our the study that
[1:33:15] Hanstown loose has provided that Chris
[1:33:16] has done so that we have a better
[1:33:18] understanding of what those impact what
[1:33:20] the cost for each connection is to the
[1:33:24] city. So the correction, the the update
[1:33:28] to those is to address the new
[1:33:30] information that we've had over the last
[1:33:32] five years to look at that new
[1:33:34] information and make that needed
[1:33:36] adjustment so that we're collecting an
[1:33:39] appropriate amount of impact fees um so
[1:33:42] that we so our bonding requirements or
[1:33:45] to pay for that short shortfall in in
[1:33:48] funding that we have. We experienced it
[1:33:49] with the WRF um this last year. we were
[1:33:54] that two$ two and a half million dollars
[1:33:56] less than when we actually needed to
[1:33:58] finish the construction of that that
[1:34:00] those upgrades.
[1:34:01] >> So Chris Chris, can I jump in here
[1:34:03] really quick? I think what Brian's
[1:34:04] asking is right now you're you're
[1:34:07] modeling the pipes bigger than 8 in
[1:34:11] pipes. You're modeling those on a on a
[1:34:14] cubic foot basis.
[1:34:17] They were not done like that before. or
[1:34:19] they were done on length of pipe and
[1:34:21] there was assumptions on how much that
[1:34:24] length of pipe.
[1:34:26] >> So, so again, this is a much more clear
[1:34:28] method to go, okay, well, that home
[1:34:30] needs 3.7 cubic feet of that pipe.
[1:34:34] That's what they pay for instead of a
[1:34:36] length that that makes other assumptions
[1:34:38] that are less accurate.
[1:34:39] >> That That's what I'm asking is what?
[1:34:42] >> So, that's what's changed.
[1:34:43] >> I didn't feel like you answered that at
[1:34:44] all, which it's okay. I'm just saying
[1:34:47] >> does that make sense that that's what's
[1:34:49] changed in that particular instance?
[1:34:51] That's what's changed is length of pipe
[1:34:53] versus cubic foot capacity of pipe is
[1:34:56] the current way that it's modeled.
[1:34:57] >> Yeah. Okay. Okay. Thanks.
[1:35:00] >> I'm sorry about that.
[1:35:01] >> No, it's all right. I just I was just
[1:35:03] like I I I was I don't know how else to
[1:35:06] say I don't understand what you're
[1:35:08] saying and it doesn't seem like you're
[1:35:10] answering my question, but like just to
[1:35:12] put it bluntly, you know, but thank you.
[1:35:14] I there's one thing I really liked about
[1:35:16] that about this whole thing is that you
[1:35:20] had a vision that you could take all
[1:35:23] these figures that were coming in and
[1:35:26] build it into a model that created the pathway for cities like us to get on
[1:35:32] board to be a part of it and to bring
[1:35:36] those costs together almost yearly and
[1:35:39] keep up with uh the cost of living, the
[1:35:43] cost of pipes, the cost of work to do
[1:35:46] them with which also is a big part of
[1:35:48] this. Am I wrong or
[1:35:52] >> Yeah. Yeah. It's it's it's a really
[1:35:55] progressive way to to approach impact
[1:35:58] fees and and it should keep cities out
[1:36:03] of the situation that John was just
[1:36:05] explaining where you get into a project
[1:36:08] and you don't have enough money
[1:36:09] >> Yeah. to do the project when it comes
[1:36:11] along because you're keeping up with it
[1:36:13] in inflation and the way that the per
[1:36:16] cubic feet like what Norm was saying
[1:36:18] when when you say all right every every
[1:36:21] new house needs to pay for you know five
[1:36:26] cubic feet of of regional pipe in order
[1:36:29] to build all the regional pipe that we
[1:36:30] need. It's very easy to say well that's
[1:36:34] 2 and 1/2 ft of pipe. What does 2 and
[1:36:37] 1/2 ft of pipe cost? Okay, you pay for
[1:36:39] that. And and that's very
[1:36:40] understandable. Whereas the length of
[1:36:43] pipe, they're very complex formulas
[1:36:46] going into it saying, well, this length
[1:36:48] of pipe might h help a thousand
[1:36:51] residents. Okay. Let's divide the length
[1:36:53] by those thousands. So, it was just a
[1:36:55] different methodology like John said,
[1:36:56] not so much a correction.
[1:37:00] » Okay. Okay. Any other questions?
[1:37:07] I thank you Chris and thank you for
[1:37:09] being here. Thanks for your ideas and
[1:37:12] you know what Norm and John have shared
[1:37:14] with me you know over this time frame I
[1:37:17] think have been important and I see a
[1:37:20] vision for the future for us and other
[1:37:22] cities that'll really help in dialing in
[1:37:27] uh the complexity of these impact fees
[1:37:30] to the point that
[1:37:32] um we're not going to have to answer to
[1:37:35] the governor every time we do something
[1:37:38] that it's proven and it's proven up to
[1:37:41] date. So, or at least that was my
[1:37:44] outlook and I I felt like, you know,
[1:37:46] we're on the right track.
[1:37:48] >> So, two things that have been talked
[1:37:49] about. Chris talked about defensible.
[1:37:52] Brett Brett will tell you that impact
[1:37:54] fees need to be defensible,
[1:37:56] >> and that's where we're at right now.
[1:37:58] Could it be said that maybe we were
[1:38:00] collecting $100 more than we should have
[1:38:01] before? Maybe. I don't think that's the
[1:38:04] case because we've talked about the
[1:38:05] credits and the other things, but but
[1:38:07] the reality of it is is that there's two
[1:38:08] things that we have to rely on here. One
[1:38:10] is that Chris is the ultimate
[1:38:12] professional. I I've followed Chris for
[1:38:14] 18 years in my career. And I look up to
[1:38:17] Chris because he is very very smart
[1:38:19] about water. Some of the things that are
[1:38:21] happening with Submo that we've had here
[1:38:23] that we've talked about and Mount Nebo
[1:38:26] have come because of the example of
[1:38:27] Chris when he was at Spanish Fork.
[1:38:29] defensible and the fact that he has to
[1:38:32] sign these things. He is the engineer
[1:38:34] saying yes, I'm certifying that yes,
[1:38:37] this is defensible and this is the
[1:38:39] amount of the fee that it should be and
[1:38:41] maybe it's going down, but but I believe
[1:38:43] that this is the accurate fee that you
[1:38:46] should be that you should be charging so
[1:38:49] that it's defensible. So, those are two
[1:38:51] key things. Chris is putting his stamp
[1:38:54] on the line by saying this. It would be
[1:38:56] very difficult for us and I'm not saying
[1:38:58] that we would to say, "Hey, we don't
[1:38:59] want it to go down, right? We we want
[1:39:01] you to fudge the numbers or we want to
[1:39:03] do whatever. We've not asked that
[1:39:04] obviously, but but putting his stamp on
[1:39:07] that is his integrity and his seal that
[1:39:10] he's done this according to good
[1:39:11] engineering principles and meeting the
[1:39:13] state code at the same time, which is
[1:39:14] very convoluted. It It is not easy. I
[1:39:17] can promise you it's not. So, I I
[1:39:20] commend Chris as well. I I've enjoyed
[1:39:22] working with him and and every time I
[1:39:24] see these data tables that he's put
[1:39:25] together, it's like,
[1:39:27] >> can I can I chime in? Um
[1:39:30] I I saw throughout the document where it
[1:39:32] said error, no text of specified.
[1:39:34] >> I see this right here, Chris.
[1:39:35] >> Something all over the document.
[1:39:37] >> That's not in the one I sent that wasn't
[1:39:39] in there. Uh, so I I think uh it
[1:39:43] probably just whoever
[1:39:46] manipulated that here probably it just
[1:39:50] >> Are we missing something?
[1:39:51] >> It's just a title. It's the same title
[1:39:54] as in the document. So it's easily
[1:39:55] corrected. But uh
[1:39:58] >> so
[1:39:58] >> it's a label, not data.
[1:40:00] >> It's AI. It did it.
[1:40:03] >> Yeah.
[1:40:04] >> But what are we missing?
[1:40:05] >> It's just the title of the of the actual
[1:40:08] table in your report. So it's what
[1:40:11] you're missing is table one-4.
[1:40:14] So it's the one. So it's there's nothing
[1:40:18] substantive. You you have the the
[1:40:21] description of the table underneath it.
[1:40:22] The only thing you're missing in there
[1:40:24] is the one that was attached to the
[1:40:26] table in the original document. So
[1:40:28] >> but we'll get that fixed, right? Yeah,
[1:40:30] >> we will.
[1:40:30] >> Okay.
[1:40:31] >> Yes. I I do want to point out one other
[1:40:33] thing. Chris Chris sent some other
[1:40:35] documents today that I want to pull up
[1:40:37] here and just show you that there was
[1:40:38] one thing that he and I talked about
[1:40:41] after we published this that I think
[1:40:42] needs to be corrected and I'm going to
[1:40:43] just go to it really quick. It's only in
[1:40:46] the
[1:40:47] drinking water and in the uh sewer
[1:40:49] master plans, but in in the table itself
[1:40:53] of the IFA where it talks about the the
[1:40:57] uh impact fees right right here.
[1:41:01] Th this one calls this a maximum the the
[1:41:04] original one that was in the packet
[1:41:06] calls this a maximum allowable fee for a
[1:41:09] detached ADU. There is no such thing
[1:41:11] because they've not modeled that. What
[1:41:13] they have modeled is they've modeled the
[1:41:15] single family dwelling and the
[1:41:17] multifamily dwelling that with all the
[1:41:19] data that we have this this proposed
[1:41:21] impact fee for detached ADUs is our 10%
[1:41:24] reduction. So, I I wanted him to change
[1:41:27] that because it's not really defensible
[1:41:30] to say it's a maximum allowable impact
[1:41:32] fee because it's not. It's not been
[1:41:33] modeled. It's really a choice that we're
[1:41:36] making to try and help with moderate
[1:41:37] income housing. So, in both the in both
[1:41:41] the uh sewer and the water, I've had him
[1:41:44] change that table. Let me let me go to
[1:41:45] the other one and I'll show you what
[1:41:47] that looks like.
[1:41:49] Does Brett does that does that like ruin
[1:41:53] the defensibility of the detached
[1:41:55] cities?
[1:41:56] >> Okay.
[1:41:59] » You're not required to charge the
[1:42:01] maximum allowable by the law. So
[1:42:04] >> Chris, what table am I going to here?
[1:42:07] >> Uh probably
[1:42:09] that's the problem. The PI doesn't have
[1:42:11] that.
[1:42:12] >> Um
[1:42:13] >> yeah, pressurized irrigation wouldn't
[1:42:14] have that because that's based on
[1:42:15] landscaped area. So it only be
[1:42:17] >> let me go to the other one.
[1:42:18] >> Drinking water and sewer.
[1:42:20] >> I need to go to the drinking
[1:42:21] >> but the 90% is is a little more
[1:42:23] arbitrary. You couldn't the maximum
[1:42:25] allowable would actually be the 100%. So
[1:42:28] it was a good change. It didn't it
[1:42:30] didn't change any number.
[1:42:31] >> So if you look at this that that maximum
[1:42:34] allowable per data detach ADU is in in
[1:42:37] is inaccurate wording. It should say
[1:42:39] what this one says and that is that
[1:42:41] that's our proposed
[1:42:43] impact fee for a detached ADU. That's
[1:42:45] the 10% that we've taken off which meets
[1:42:47] our moderate income housing strategy
[1:42:49] which helped us keep meet our report. So
[1:42:51] that is one change just in the IFA and
[1:42:53] the for the drinking water and the
[1:42:55] sanitary sewer that Chris made on the
[1:42:57] fly and sent it to me a couple hours ago
[1:43:00] and it's not in the packet but that's
[1:43:01] what I would ask you to
[1:43:02] >> should we make that part motion to
[1:43:05] >> yes and that and the tables that are
[1:43:08] missing the numbers we can you can make
[1:43:09] that part of the motion as well or
[1:43:12] >> that sounds good.
[1:43:13] Okay. Any other questions for Chris or
[1:43:16] for Norm? For Brett?
[1:43:22] Good. John,
[1:43:24] you're clear, too.
[1:43:27] Okay. Um, we closed the public hearing.
[1:43:31] And now what I'd like to do is move into
[1:43:33] item 8, 9, and 10. Starting with eight
[1:43:36] on the adoption of the drinking water
[1:43:38] impact fee facilities plan as proposed.
[1:43:43] I'll make a motion that we adopt
[1:43:45] ordinance number 030220
[1:43:48] uh 2022 26 adoption of drinking water
[1:43:52] impact fee facilities plan IFFFP and
[1:43:55] impact fee analysis IFA is that the one
[1:43:58] that we need to
[1:44:00] >> with the correction of scrier's errors
[1:44:02] >> as noted
[1:44:04] >> yes
[1:44:05] >> okay
[1:44:06] >> second it moved and seconded Brian
[1:44:08] >> I
[1:44:08] >> art
[1:44:09] >> I
[1:44:09] >> Jeff
[1:44:10] >> I
[1:44:11] >> Lynn I
[1:44:12] >> Travis
[1:44:13] >> I
[1:44:13] >> Okay. Uh let's move on to number nine.
[1:44:16] Ordinance 0303, the adoption of
[1:44:19] pressurized irrigation impact fee uh
[1:44:22] facilities plan and the impact fee
[1:44:25] analysis. Um I entertain a motion.
[1:44:30] >> I'm getting to that. Hang on just a
[1:44:31] second. I'm getting to that ordinance.
[1:44:33] Sorry, I should have just gone back
[1:44:35] home.
[1:44:36] >> And are there any questions on that
[1:44:38] before we do so?
[1:44:43] I'll make a motion we adopt ordinance
[1:44:45] 03032026,
[1:44:48] an ordinance adopting the Sanquin City
[1:44:49] pressurized irrigation impact fee
[1:44:51] facilities plan and the pressurized
[1:44:53] irrigation impact fee analysis and
[1:44:56] enacting pressurized irrigation impact
[1:44:58] fees providing providing for
[1:45:00] codification correction of scri
[1:45:02] scriveners errors severability and an
[1:45:05] effective date.
[1:45:05] >> I'll second
[1:45:07] >> moved and seconded. Brian,
[1:45:08] >> hi
[1:45:09] >> Art.
[1:45:10] >> Hi
[1:45:10] >> Jeff.
[1:45:11] >> Hi
[1:45:11] >> Lynn.
[1:45:12] >> Hi
[1:45:12] >> Travis.
[1:45:13] >> Hi.
[1:45:14] >> Eight and nine. Let's move on to number
[1:45:16] 10. Ordinance 0304, the adoption of
[1:45:19] sanitary sewer impact fee facilities
[1:45:22] plan and impact fee analysis. I'll make
[1:45:25] a motion we adopt ordinance 03042026,
[1:45:29] an ordinance adopting the Sanquin City
[1:45:30] sanitary sewer impact fee facilities
[1:45:32] plan and the sanitary sewer impact fee
[1:45:35] analysis and enacting sanitary sewer
[1:45:37] impact fees providing for codification
[1:45:40] correction of scriveners errors,
[1:45:41] severability and an effective date.
[1:45:44] >> I'll second moved and seconded. Travis
[1:45:47] >> I
[1:45:47] >> Lyn
[1:45:48] >> I
[1:45:48] >> Jeff
[1:45:49] >> I
[1:45:50] >> Art
[1:45:50] >> I
[1:45:51] >> Brian
[1:45:51] >> I
[1:45:53] >> that passes 8 n and 10 and we can move
[1:45:57] on to a discussion and possible action
[1:45:59] on the change order for the Vanc ULS
[1:46:03] pipeline. Chris and John,
[1:46:06] thank you both for everything you've
[1:46:08] done. Chris, especially
[1:46:11] um your work, your brains,
[1:46:14] um and some of the the great outlook
[1:46:16] that you had on on this program and and
[1:46:19] how we can make this better. So, thank
[1:46:22] you.
[1:46:25] Okay, John,
[1:46:32] mayor and council, this is um say a
[1:46:35] followup to the the email that Norman
[1:46:38] sent uh early last week to kind of
[1:46:40] discuss our connection to the ULS
[1:46:43] pipeline that was recently installed
[1:46:45] over the last couple years. So, they're
[1:46:47] going to be uh start filling that
[1:46:50] pipeline up this this next month or so.
[1:46:53] Um, and we want to uh we we're needing
[1:46:58] to get our connection to that line so
[1:47:00] that we're transferring less water from
[1:47:01] our culinary water system into our
[1:47:04] pressurized irrigation system. And so,
[1:47:07] um, to prevent, as been mentioned
[1:47:09] before, to to help this process move
[1:47:14] along a little bit further and not have
[1:47:16] to worry about getting any access to any
[1:47:19] uh, easements owned by central Utah and
[1:47:22] by extension the Bureau of Reclamation.
[1:47:24] Um, if we're able to get this
[1:47:26] constructed while they're under
[1:47:28] construction of the pipeline, we're able
[1:47:30] to to I can't say bypass may not be best
[1:47:35] term, but we're that requirement for us
[1:47:37] to receive those easements and that
[1:47:39] permission to access this goes away. And
[1:47:42] so an effort to to help do this so we
[1:47:45] can get this installed in time for us to
[1:47:49] um to get us out of that easement and
[1:47:51] allow us to construct the rest of the
[1:47:53] PRVs that's needed um to make our
[1:47:55] connection here uh after that um try and
[1:47:59] get that completed um sometime in July
[1:48:01] so that we can get that get that water
[1:48:04] to us and use it this year. So that's
[1:48:06] the purpose of this this contract and
[1:48:09] this this proposal uh to make that
[1:48:11] connection. So, two things. This is a
[1:48:13] ratification. We already pulled the
[1:48:14] council on this last week and got the
[1:48:16] approval to go ahead and order the valve
[1:48:18] that needed to be the only one in Utah
[1:48:20] that we could get to get it coming. And
[1:48:22] so, that's this is for a ratification. I
[1:48:24] would also mentioned that as we've
[1:48:26] talked about, this would come forward.
[1:48:28] An item related to this in a budget
[1:48:30] amendment would come forward at a at
[1:48:32] another time when we do our next budget
[1:48:34] amendment. We didn't have time from last
[1:48:36] week to do the 10-day noticing like I
[1:48:37] was talking about in the other public
[1:48:39] hearings, but um this is a ratification
[1:48:41] and also this money would come from the
[1:48:44] capital repair and replacement fund and
[1:48:45] then be replenished using impact fees as
[1:48:48] they come in and are available to pay
[1:48:50] that back. Uh pressure irrigation impact
[1:48:52] fees. Yeah,
[1:48:53] >> this is one of the projects. This
[1:48:55] connection is one of the projects that's
[1:48:57] in our current master plan in our IFFFP
[1:48:59] and IFA that was just approved for the uh pressure irrigation.
[1:49:04] >> Y
[1:49:06] I'm happy to answer any questions.
[1:49:08] >> Yeah, we've we've talked about this.
[1:49:10] We've gone through it a little bit. Are
[1:49:12] there any other questions that come up?
[1:49:15] Norm did mention that this is part of a like a next phase that we have that we
[1:49:21] haven't put at RFQ yet or
[1:49:23] >> we have not put out to bid at this point
[1:49:24] in time. We have not.
[1:49:26] >> So Vanc is doing this work but for the
[1:49:30] to finish it for that the rest of the
[1:49:31] project are they will they automatically
[1:49:34] get that or are we going to do RFP and
[1:49:35] >> we will do we will do a competitive bid
[1:49:37] process. Okay. So we won't it's it's not
[1:49:41] um Van Vancom is is
[1:49:45] couple years.
[1:49:46] >> Um but yes, we are going to be getting
[1:49:48] separate bids to complete that the rest
[1:49:51] of that project
[1:49:52] >> so that we get competitive to get out of
[1:49:54] the easement.
[1:49:55] >> This is just to get out of the central
[1:49:56] Utah ement. That's correct.
[1:49:57] >> So we're just we're moving it from the
[1:49:59] future phase to this phase just to
[1:50:02] >> Yes.
[1:50:02] >> avoid correct the easement.
[1:50:03] >> Yes.
[1:50:04] >> Yeah. Heartache and pain and cost.
[1:50:07] >> Exactly. Makes it cheaper. So this will
[1:50:09] come out of that 450 to 500,000.
[1:50:11] >> It is it is included in that. And we've
[1:50:13] also the the amount for these these
[1:50:15] pieces of equipment and installation.
[1:50:17] We've also verified that that meets our
[1:50:20] estimated cost with Hansen Aloo. A
[1:50:22] different Hansen Aloo team is doing the
[1:50:24] design and is getting nearing a design
[1:50:26] for that full connection.
[1:50:27] >> Okay.
[1:50:28] >> Right.
[1:50:28] >> But yes, that that 76,000 is part of
[1:50:31] that $450 to $500,000.
[1:50:33] >> I just wanted to make sure.
[1:50:34] >> Yep. Yes, sir.
[1:50:35] >> Estimate. Yeah,
[1:50:37] >> that's all I add.
[1:50:39] >> Anything else? I'd entertain a motion on
[1:50:43] move or change order two.
[1:50:44] >> I'll make a motion to approve change
[1:50:46] order number two for the installation of
[1:50:47] the connection to the ULS pipeline for a
[1:50:49] not to exceed amount of $75,956.
[1:50:54] » Second moved and seconded. Brian
[1:50:57] >> I
[1:50:57] >> Hart
[1:50:58] >> I
[1:50:58] >> Jeff
[1:50:59] >> I
[1:50:59] >> Lynn
[1:51:00] >> I
[1:51:00] >> Travis
[1:51:00] >> I
[1:51:01] >> motion passed and uh oh Norm sorry um
[1:51:05] there was a typo on that my school
[1:51:07] teacher can't mount
[1:51:09] >> in the memo or
[1:51:10] >> if you go to that top paragraph on that
[1:51:12] memorandum
[1:51:14] um you got to yeah go down it's like the
[1:51:16] third sentence it says if this valve and
[1:51:18] pipe are not installed
[1:51:20] >> that should be installed
[1:51:21] >> I I noticed that
[1:51:23] >> we'll we'll fix that we won't fail That
[1:51:26] was actually great. You know better than
[1:51:27] us last week, too.
[1:51:29] >> That was
[1:51:30] >> I knew what you meant.
[1:51:32] >> Still getting called out.
[1:51:33] >> You got the concrete guy. We got you.
[1:51:35] >> He's an engineer, not a English major.
[1:51:37] >> The problem with it is both engineers
[1:51:39] missed it. So,
[1:51:42] >> okay.
[1:51:44] It'll be here all night.
[1:51:46] >> Good. Uh, let's go on to reports.
[1:51:50] >> Yeah. Just quickly, DRC Planning
[1:51:52] Commission, there's not a whole lot
[1:51:53] that's pending. I think there might be
[1:51:55] one application that'll be ready for
[1:51:56] planning commission. Uh and that's about it. Uh so uh we we'll look
[1:52:04] at I I will probably take some time with
[1:52:07] the new planning commissioner and and
[1:52:08] train him and orient him, but aside from
[1:52:10] that uh there may not be anything for
[1:52:12] the meetings. Uh aside from that, I
[1:52:15] don't really have anything else to
[1:52:16] report tonight.
[1:52:19] >> That's it.
[1:52:21] Okay, Norm.
[1:52:23] >> Yeah. Here we go. Water. Let's talk
[1:52:25] about water, shall we?
[1:52:27] >> Love it.
[1:52:27] >> So, these are our two graphs for the
[1:52:29] engineers in the room and everybody
[1:52:31] else. Uh the bottom red line is where we
[1:52:34] are currently at. This is this happens
[1:52:36] to be the snow water equivalent. So,
[1:52:39] right now we're about 8 in of water up
[1:52:40] the canyon, which is also very
[1:52:42] contiguous or or congruent with the
[1:52:45] lowest water year since we've had our
[1:52:46] snowtail site up there, which was 2017
[1:52:49] 2018 winter. That's about where we're
[1:52:51] at. these these uh this graph and the
[1:52:53] other one will actually come out of the
[1:52:54] mayor's newsletter to help people
[1:52:56] understand where we're at. Um we're not
[1:52:58] in a panic. We we have sufficient water
[1:53:01] as long as we're as long as we're wise
[1:53:04] with it. Uh our our uh WRF produces now
[1:53:08] close to a million gallons a day. This
[1:53:10] is the snow depth which isn't as
[1:53:12] important as the snow water equivalent.
[1:53:15] Uh again, down to about 18 inches on
[1:53:17] that one. Um, I would just report that
[1:53:20] again we're not we at this point in time
[1:53:22] we do not anticipate water rationing or
[1:53:25] any kind of restrictions. We have our
[1:53:27] type one water that will provide water.
[1:53:30] We also will be helping the uls the CW
[1:53:34] the centry water conservancy district
[1:53:36] test the ULS pipeline this year to be
[1:53:39] able to have uh some some water there to
[1:53:42] help us with. Last year, I think we
[1:53:44] probably put a couple hundred acre feet
[1:53:46] of culinary water into our PI tanks
[1:53:48] because several of the sources were
[1:53:50] down. The canyon was down and one of the local pumps was down and we
[1:53:56] just didn't have access to it. So, we
[1:53:57] ended up using some drinking water,
[1:53:58] which again, thankfully, we have that
[1:54:00] option. We have the ability to do that.
[1:54:02] So, I don't have any other reports on
[1:54:05] anything else other than I just
[1:54:06] appreciate the the council and getting
[1:54:08] these two new staff members on board. I
[1:54:11] think it's going to be fantastic. Very, talented individuals and we're looking forward to having them
[1:54:16] here with us and and moving our programs
[1:54:18] forward. So, thank you for that.
[1:54:21] >> Okay, Travis,
[1:54:23] >> I have nothing to report tonight.
[1:54:26] >> Lyn, just thanks to the council and
[1:54:30] mayor and city staff for um supporting
[1:54:33] the Miss Sanquin. I I think those
[1:54:35] scholarships mean a lot to those girls.
[1:54:37] That's that's just a a pet project. I
[1:54:39] love that. And I had two daughters
[1:54:41] involved in that and they enjoyed that
[1:54:43] and um it means a lot to the the little
[1:54:46] girls that watch that too and they want
[1:54:48] to be like Miss Adquin. So thank you.
[1:54:50] That's all I have.
[1:54:52] >> Jeff,
[1:54:53] >> I don't have anything art.
[1:54:57] >> I was I was able to attend the Santa
[1:55:00] Quinn pageant and was greatly enriched.
[1:55:03] I was amazed at the the
[1:55:08] talent that was exhibited and the and
[1:55:10] the confidence and the bravery, if you
[1:55:12] will, that those young ladies had to put
[1:55:14] themselves out in front of the public
[1:55:16] and and compete. And I appreciate it.
[1:55:19] Um, I've had a couple residents this
[1:55:21] week for some reason contact me. Um, one
[1:55:25] is concerned about people living in RVs
[1:55:29] and travel trailers and motor homes in
[1:55:32] their yard. And the other one wants us
[1:55:35] to build a swimming pool.
[1:55:38] I know how that conversation will go. I
[1:55:40] already I already told that person it
[1:55:42] costs more to maintain it than it is to
[1:55:43] build it in the first place. But
[1:55:45] apparently um
[1:55:48] Rever Health in Salem is closing down
[1:55:50] their therapy pool and so we have a
[1:55:54] about 12 at least 12 residents that are
[1:55:56] being displaced
[1:55:58] because of that and they're looking for
[1:56:00] a new home. Um this particular resident
[1:56:03] has offered to donate a lot to put the
[1:56:07] pool on. They've procured volunteer
[1:56:11] >> a lot as in money or a lot as in
[1:56:14] property
[1:56:14] >> ground.
[1:56:15] >> Okay.
[1:56:16] >> Location. Um they've also procured
[1:56:19] volunteers to supply all the equipment
[1:56:22] and the staff to run it to dig the hole,
[1:56:26] if you will. And and they say they have
[1:56:29] some limited donations, but
[1:56:33] we've had a swimming pool fund from the
[1:56:35] very first time I was on the city
[1:56:37] council.
[1:56:39] And it's grown to a whopping 35 or
[1:56:42] $37,000 since then.
[1:56:44] >> Yeah,
[1:56:44] >> that'll get you the steps in.
[1:56:46] >> Anyway,
[1:56:48] >> filters. Get you the filters
[1:56:50] >> from him.
[1:56:51] >> Again, just the appreciation to the
[1:56:54] >> Tequila Gaudy and her entire staff and everybody that was involved in the
[1:56:58] Miss Sanquin pageant. It was
[1:57:02] is very rewarding for me personally to
[1:57:04] be there. Thank you.
[1:57:06] >> Good. Thanks, Art. Uh Brian,
[1:57:09] >> um just a quick update. Uh we had the
[1:57:11] America 250 committee meeting. There's
[1:57:13] some pretty good things planned for
[1:57:14] that. Um and art uh contest um some good
[1:57:21] prizes. I mean money for um different
[1:57:24] categories for I think it's four
[1:57:26] different groups uh based on K through
[1:57:29] 12 age group. So like I think
[1:57:32] three uh grades per group. Um, and then
[1:57:36] there's also a writing contest as well.
[1:57:39] Um, we also had the community services
[1:57:41] board meeting. Uh, that was really
[1:57:43] great. We have a lot of really great
[1:57:45] people um on the board. Uh, we talked
[1:57:48] about a lot of different things about um the rap tax and I think that's coming
[1:57:57] up here in 2028 is when it expires. Um,
[1:58:02] and so, uh, something that I brought up
[1:58:04] and we talked about was just moving
[1:58:07] forward, communication. We had that big
[1:58:09] rap tax open house. Um,
[1:58:13] not a lot of residents other than those
[1:58:15] who were on the rap tax committee showed
[1:58:16] up. Um maybe even like redirecting those
[1:58:19] efforts towards a digital communications
[1:58:22] campaign of hey every week someone's
[1:58:25] some project is spotlighted to say hey
[1:58:28] this is something that's sponsored by
[1:58:30] raptax to to make it not maybe a one
[1:58:33] time a day but but proactively
[1:58:36] throughout the year show residents hey
[1:58:38] this is valuable um especially as it
[1:58:41] comes up for possibly ratifying that
[1:58:44] again. Um, I would love for us to
[1:58:48] continue doing it. Um, and I know that
[1:58:51] usually it passes, but um, it'd be great
[1:58:54] for us to just communicate that. That
[1:58:56] was something that got brought up. Um,
[1:58:59] and then just when this person uh,
[1:59:03] Cammy, right?
[1:59:04] >> Mhm.
[1:59:04] >> Um, I'd love to talk to her about rap
[1:59:08] tax and and the projects that we have
[1:59:09] planned. So, if you just let me know. um
[1:59:12] because that was something we talked
[1:59:13] about in the meetings and a lot of board
[1:59:15] members want to be involved um in in the
[1:59:18] future. But no, that's it for me.
[1:59:22] Yeah, I just want to say that uh Morgan
[1:59:25] and Cammy are going to be good people
[1:59:28] and uh certainly uh want to reiterate
[1:59:32] that um the caliber the uh abilities of
[1:59:36] these people that we've interviewed and had a chance to meet prior to this
[1:59:42] uh approval today with exceptional great
[1:59:46] people all the way around. um which is
[1:59:50] different than most most hiring
[1:59:52] situations you you tend to get in.
[1:59:54] >> Yeah.
[1:59:55] >> Um so I appreciate that. I think we're
[1:59:57] moving ahead very well. Um
[2:00:01] we will uh or I did write uh the
[2:00:04] newsletter for next month that is going
[2:00:06] to be about the water. It's just going
[2:00:08] to go on a little bit more and Norm
[2:00:11] helped collaborate and write half of it
[2:00:14] so make sure that I didn't make a
[2:00:16] mistake. So, um, I appreciate all of
[2:00:20] that to all of you guys. And I do need
[2:00:23] to ask it's 9:00 that we adjourn to a
[2:00:28] short close session which may be called
[2:00:31] to discuss pending a reasonable imminent
[2:00:33] litigation, collective bargaining, andor
[2:00:35] the purchase, exchange, or lease of real
[2:00:38] property. a proposed development
[2:00:40] agreement, a project proposal, or a
[2:00:42] financing proposal related to the
[2:00:45] development of land owned by the state.
[2:00:47] >> Mayor, can I add one thing before we do
[2:00:49] that? I just want to again refer back to
[2:00:52] this young man, Jackson Jensen, and his
[2:00:57] foresight and his eagerness to develop
[2:01:00] this food pantry. I think it's it's just
[2:01:02] marvelous. It's unbelievable young man
[2:01:04] like that came up coming up with that
[2:01:06] idea and he's he's got it all organized
[2:01:08] and ready to go and strongly support it.
[2:01:10] >> It's going to be fun to see how that
[2:01:12] grows. That's that's what I think.
[2:01:13] That's a wonderful public project.
[2:01:17] >> Yep.
[2:01:17] >> So I still ask for a motion. It's 901.
[2:01:20] >> So moved.
[2:01:21] >> Moved. Is there a second?
[2:01:22] >> I'll second.
[2:01:23] >> Moved and seconded. Brian
[2:01:25] >> I.
[2:01:26] >> Jeff
[2:01:27] >> I.
[2:01:27] >> Lynn I.
[2:01:28] >> Travis
[2:01:29] >> I. Now, rather than take a great big
[2:01:31] break, I think if we just