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Welcome [clears throat and snorts] to

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Santaquin City Council's work session.

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It's uh

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5:30.

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Glad to have you all here. So,

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>> I have an echo.

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>> All are present, so we'll dispense with

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roll call, and I would ask if anyone

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would like to lead us in the Pledge of

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Allegiance.

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>> I'll do it.

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>> [clears throat]

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» Please repeat after me. I pledge

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>> allegiance to the flag of the United

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States of America, and to the republic

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for which it stands, one nation under

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God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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» Thank you. I'd like to ask if anyone

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would like to offer an invocation or

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leave us with an inspirational thought.

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>> I can do that.

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>> [clears throat]

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>> Okay.

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>> Our Father in heaven, we're thankful for

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this beautiful day, for

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the opportunity we have to be here in

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City Council. We're thankful for our

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country and the freedoms that we enjoy

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here, for those that help protect it. We

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pray for leaders of nations that we can

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continue to have as much peace as

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possible.

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Father, we pray for more moisture

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that we can have the needed amount for

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crops and our use. We pray, Father, that

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we can be inspired to know the things

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that we should do and say,

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that we will be able to do our best for

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the citizens of this community. These

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things we pray for in the name of Jesus

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Christ. Amen.

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>> Amen. [snorts]

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>> Thanks, Lynn. Appreciate it.

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we go right into our discussion items.

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Uh first one is the

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discussion

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regarding the deferral agreements.

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» Yeah, Mayor and Council. Uh

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Norma's pulling up a presentation I

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prepared. Uh this really is coming about

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because we've had some recent deferral

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agreements that have been passed and I

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spent some time with our city engineer,

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John Lundell, and and

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uh we both spent some time talking with

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our our legal counsel, Brett Rich. Uh

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I kind of told John,

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you know, when when I first started

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working for the city and and deferral

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agreements happened, there was something

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that just didn't feel quite right about

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them and I think with each one I've

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exponentially kind of had uh concerns

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about what development uh what deferral

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agreements mean for the city. Um

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the potential impacts of of doing

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deferral agreements and and really what

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other options we might have. And so,

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wanted to [clears throat] to bring this

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discussion to the council to to talk

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about uh

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how we got to where we do deferral

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agreements and and uh and kind of talk

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high-level about the kind of the

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philosophy behind it and what other

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options are out there.

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So, really, this isn't necessarily

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presentation about about deferral

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agreements, but it's really how do we

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strategically approach and and how do we

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adjust the timing for infrastructure

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improvements. And a lot of this

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discussion really centers around the

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core area of town where we don't have

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infrastructure and where where

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you know, these neighborhoods existed

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before we even had a requirement to

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provide infrastructure improvements as

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part of a subdivision. So, um

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know, a deferral agreement option, which

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is kind of how we we approach things

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right now, uh could apply outside of the

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core area, but I but I think generally

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speaking, it's the core area where we we

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uh do these because of, you know, the

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reasons we'll talk about here shortly.

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uh options that we have to to address

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options that I see. Deferral agreements,

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which we'll talk more about exactly what

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that is. That's our current approach.

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construction, which is essentially

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receiving a payment for the amount that

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improvements. Uh, and then really

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constructing those improvements now.

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so all that I've really prepared for

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this discussion and and really these are the things that came to my

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mind and and and John Lundell's mind as the pros and cons.

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Uh, there might be more and and we would

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love to hear what you think are the pros

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and cons of these different approaches,

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but we wanted to provide you this

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information so that maybe you can

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reevaluate the approach that we take

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when uh, a subdivision is happening and they're required to to do those

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agreement, that's currently

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the approach that we take. And I I

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should say for clarification, we don't

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force a deferral agreement upon people.

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they could build the infrastructure

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improvements. Um,

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started doing deferral agreements, there

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was some uncertainty about how that

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should be constructed, what the design

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should be, how it would how it would

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work. And I think that was probably

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around 2015 or so when when previous

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city council kind of took the approach

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of we should do deferral agreements.

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few years before that was when the city

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actually started requiring

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infrastructure improvements with any

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subdivision. Uh, I always kind of think

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if you think of uh, Centennial Park,

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there's those those townhomes that are

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just to the east of the park. There's no

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curb, gutter, sidewalk. I think that was

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the last project that was done in in

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subdivision improvement requirement or infrastructure improvement

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requirement for a new subdivision. So,

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uh that's kind of the history of where we've got to where we are now. Uh

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a deferral agreement, and I'll break it

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down, uh think of deferral as

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you know, one of your retirement

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accounts. It's tax deferred. You pay

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taxes on it way down the road in

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retirement, and and you pay taxes on the uh

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you know, the situation that that you're

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in at that time. You're not going to get

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um benefits of of children and stuff

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when you pay those taxes. Those taxes

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are deferred. Same thing here. Uh

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the requirement and the obligation to do

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infrastructure improvements is deferred

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to a point in the future, and and the

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conditions at that point in the future

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requirement to do those those uh

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improvements. And then I emphasize the

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word agreement. Again, this is not

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something that we we require or force

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down anybody's throat. It's something

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that they willingly agree to, and they

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do in a uh in a contract, in an

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agreement that they sign that is

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recorded. And so, uh

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when they sign that agreement, they are are agreeing to the terms of that

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agreement, and and we expect that they

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will live up to that agreement uh

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whenever, you know, that agreement is is

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needing to be satisfied.

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agreement?

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Uh fair value of money in the future. I

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think that is the main driving reason

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why the previous council and why a

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deferral agreement is is is is the way

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that we've done things. What I mean by

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that is is if somebody defers the

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infrastructure improvements they're

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required to do uh to the future,

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whatever the cost of those improvements

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are in the future when we decide to

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execute that agreement, that's what's

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going to apply at that point. So, if

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they if they decide to enter into a

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deferral agreement now and the

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infrastructure costs were $20,000,

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sometime in the future that might be

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more like 30 or 40,000 dollars and

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that's that's kind of a risk that

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they're taking of of you know uh

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kicking that can down the road if you

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development and redevelopment. I put an

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that one's a little bit more in the eye

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of of of whoever's looking at it. I

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think generally [clears throat] speaking

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for the property owner, it's a pro

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because it's it's less expensive for

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them to do their development. I know the

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state would see that as a pro because

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you know, less expensive for someone to build and and have housing

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opportunities.

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not as a pro because

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they don't want to see development

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happen or they you know, uh

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have have kind of their own feelings on seeing growth.

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>> System constructed uniformly. Again, an

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asterisk next to that. Now, I'll talk a

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little bit more about that with the

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I think the the intent is is if people

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defer their improvements and we have a

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large number of deferral agreements and

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when we're ready to build the

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infrastructure in the core area town,

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then we'll build it all at the same time

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and we'll have a system that's all built

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uniformly and it all works and connects

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together at that time. I think that's

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maybe a little bit wishful thinking cuz

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I think it's kind of having the stars

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aligned and you know, take one block in

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the core area, you know, you'd have to

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have all the deferral agreements and and

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all the properties there would would uh

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have some sort of a subdivision where

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they enter into a deferral agreement to

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have that all happen at once. So, I

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think I think the intent is good there,

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but I think the reality is that it may

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not happen all uniformly. It still may

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happen in segments.

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Um cons of deferral agreements. I think

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a lot of people that that I communicate

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with that that enter into a deferral

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agreement, they perceive it as a waiver.

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I don't have to pay for infrastructure

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right now. And And they don't really

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15, 20, 30 years down the road uh

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that the city might show up and and uh

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and say, "Hey, it's time for you to to

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live up to your part of the agreement

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and pay for the infrastructure

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improvements." Now, I guess I said 30

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years there.

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Uh I I'll get to that in a second. It

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may not be that long uh because of the

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third bullet item. But But like I say, a

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lot of people I don't think they truly

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understand what a deferral agreement is.

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That's why

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I broke it down of what a defer, you

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know, what to defer

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uh cost means and and and it being

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agreement where they've agreed to it and signed. But I think there's

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certainly a perception from a lot of

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people that it's I'll kick that can on

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the road. I don't need to pay for it

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now. And and I'm not going to worry about it. Uh

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No expectation of cost. I don't think

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people understand what [clears throat]

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those infrastructure improvements

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actually would cost

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uh

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or what they will cost in the future. Uh

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again, if it's 10 years down the road,

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the market might be very much different

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where those costs are going to be a lot

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more than what they would have paid now

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in order to do those infrastructure

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improvements. So, not understanding what

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those costs will be makes it harder for

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uh a given property owner who enters

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into a deferral agreement to plan for

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that. Um and

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back to the the first bullet point. I

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don't think a lot of people who enter

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into these are are uh you know, putting

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aside money and they have a you know, a

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fund where they know that that they're

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going to have an obligation to fulfill

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uh a deferral agreement and pay for

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infrastructure costs on the frontage of

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their their uh subdivision.

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Uh agreement sunset.

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I use the example 30 years down the

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road.

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That would never happen because these

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deferral agreements that we've generally

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done over the past

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15 or so years, uh

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they have a sunset on them anywhere

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between 10 20 years.

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>> 10 years is what we typically

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>> 10 years is right now what we we've got

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typically in the template that we provide people,

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but uh

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yeah, if if the agreement sunsets, then

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there is no obligation for for any sort

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of of payment or construction of those

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infrastructure improvements.

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>> So, then the first two bullets are true.

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After 10 years.

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>> Yeah.

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They could be, yep. So,

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>> So, that's a pro if you're building a

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house.

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>> It's for the individual, but for the

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community where we're we're we're uh you

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know, trying to address future

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stormwater issues and and uh you know,

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when the city

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gets designation as an MS4 where where

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we're required to to look at stormwater

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and monitor and and handle stormwater a

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lot more, uh that'll that'll be uh uh a

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huge undertaking for the city to to live

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up to those expectations.

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>> Wait, uh how far away from MS4 are we

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right now? We don't know. Hopefully, a

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long ways.

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>> Right. It's [clears throat] it's

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dependent on on kind of proximity,

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dependent on your size of your city.

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Obviously, we're we're on the edge of of uh

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of

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you know, the metropolitan area, but uh

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I think with with the way our our

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community is growing, I I would you

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would think that the state would

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probably sooner than later uh have us in

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that MS4 designation where stormwater

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becomes a

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uh

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an obligation that we need to meet. But

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like Norm says, we don't know. Uh it's

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just waiting for for that to happen and

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it could happen tomorrow, could happen

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next year, could be another 10 years. We

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don't know.

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>> I I just want to give you my thoughts on

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this whole thing and and

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you know, I'll look around and

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yep, sure enough, nobody's lived here

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longer than me, but

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>> [laughter]

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>> you know, uh

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>> [cough]

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[clears throat]

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>> I see some of the most silliest things

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in the world with

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taking pieces of property and putting

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curb, gutter, and sidewalk, you know,

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and then this is the end of the

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sidewalk.

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And it's 120 ft in total length and it's

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good. We've we've solved that problem,

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but it's a 4-ft jump off the end of it

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if you miss that sign. And the other end

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of one on on Center Street,

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on the other side of that sign it is a

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cabin that was built in 1860 something

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that's still lived in.

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And and you think, oh my goodness, what

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are we creating here? And it seems like

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it's such a

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can of worms

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that you don't really know the best way

402
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to do it. This doesn't affect

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the majority of town that live in

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subdivisions cuz they've already paid

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for curb, gutter, sidewalk when they

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built their house.

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And and yet,

408
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you know, we see, we understand the need

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for it and it certainly will fit within

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a

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uh master um

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plan for for,

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you know, our waste water,

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but when you're building sidewalks like

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up in

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uh

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Elk Ridge and the end of the sidewalk

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has a sign, this is the end of the

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sidewalk, and it's a brick wall.

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You know, and I can show you right where

421
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it is cuz it's straight up from your

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house.

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>> Right.

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>> But uh it just seems like

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some of the things that we would try to

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do with this without a master plan might

427
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be killing us.

428
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>> Yeah.

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>> Is there a better way to do it than just

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defer it? Is there a way that maybe you

431
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should do something and invest it?

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>> And that's the whole proper purpose of

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this presentation. And I guess let me

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finish the presentation cuz we'll get to

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that exact topic and and it's already

436
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been kind of talked about and and the

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pro of a deferral agreement being that

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you construct the system uniformly, that

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you don't have dead-end sidewalks and

440
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stuff, that it's all constructed and it

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works as a system, not just storm water,

442
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but curb, gutter, sidewalk, and and all

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those those other things.

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>> But the problem is right up front, you

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really don't see the full picture as we

446
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talk about this because 4 and 1/2, 5

447
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years ago, I looked at the whole thing

448
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and we had a brand new estimation of

449
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what it would take to

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do the core area of town. That was just

451
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short of $200 million.

452
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Right.

453
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You know, that's a little above my

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spending limit.

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>> It is and it's going to be a huge

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undertaking when that [clears throat]

457
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time comes, but again, right now we have

458
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development and infill development that

459
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happens that how do we address the

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subdivision improvements? Do

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So, we'll we'll continue to talk about

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that and we'll address that. Final The

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last con for deferral agreements is

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future political challenges. This is one

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that I kind of jokingly say gives me

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nightmares because you know, we have

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these deferral agreements and uh

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again, at some point in the future, if we we uh you know, per the the

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deferral agreement, we give people

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notice that we're ready to build this

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infrastructure,

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are they going to have the money to do

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that? Uh

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are we going to hear, you know, every

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excuse, every sad story of why they

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can't fulfill that agreement? Are they

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going to say, "I didn't understand what I signed up for by signing that

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deferral agreement?" Are they going to

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get Gephardt? Are they You know what I

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mean? Like And then on top of all that,

481
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it's it's it's just

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you know, it

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Councils have kicked the can down the

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road enough that there's going to be a

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council at some point in the future,

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whether it be this council or another

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council, that's going to have to to deal

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with all that. And and it's going to be

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painful. And and uh

490
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you know, again, these aren't all

491
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development companies that have done

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these new These are your typical

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residents that did it to to get an an

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additional lot for their grandchild to

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build a house or their kid to build a

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house.

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You know, they might be on a fixed

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income or they might have to do

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something to to live up to their side of

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the agreement. Now,

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they agreed to it and they signed it and

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I think we we should expect that they're

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going to live up to the end their end of

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the agreement, but there's a lot that

505
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can happen in 10 years. People who

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signed this might be 6 ft under and it

507
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might be somebody who inherited the

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property that that now they're

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inheriting a deferral agreement with 10, 20, 30 thousand dollars of

510
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infrastructure that they didn't know

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that that, you know, they had an

512
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encumbrance to worry about.

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So,

514
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that's another thing with deferral

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agreements that that I think is is a con

516
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and and a concern. Let's move to the

517
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next one, Norm.

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Assessment in in lieu of construction.

519
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Uh pros,

520
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it's money in the bank. It's And then

521
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basically what I mean by assessment in

522
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lieu of construction is instead of

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constructing the improvements and

524
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instead of agreeing that they will pay

525
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for those improvements sometime down the

526
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road, they basically pay the amount to

527
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put that infrastructure in and the

528
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infrastructure is not constructed and we

529
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have money set aside for that. Now,

530
00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:33,600
again, it's money in the bank. It's it's

531
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something that we have that that

532
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to the second bullet point, there's no

533
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sunset. There's no agreement. Uh

534
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the expectation is up front of what the

535
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cost will be in order for them to to

536
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fulfill the the subdivision

537
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requirements.

538
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Uh and then, you know, system is

539
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constructed uniformly. Again, I put an

540
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asterisk next to that one because

541
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I think it it can can work, but I'll get

542
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to that a little bit in the cons.

543
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For the cons, the biggest con is is if

544
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you get the money, the cost for it now,

545
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in 10 years that the cost for that

546
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infrastructure's probably going to be

547
00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:10,400
more expensive. So, the money you get

548
00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:12,160
today will be a little bit lower value

549
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of money in the future.

550
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It may discourage development and

551
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redevelopment. Again, an asterisk.

552
00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:20,800
Depends on how you look at that, but I

553
00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:22,480
think generally speaking for Santaquin

554
00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,000
and and there's a lot of development

555
00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:26,720
strategies we have in our code for

556
00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,320
infill development. At one time we had

557
00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,320
and we allowed for flag lots. I think

558
00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:32,640
there's been a desire to see

559
00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:34,760
redevelopment in the core area of town

560
00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,920
to put money into to you know, the core

561
00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:41,600
area to to redevelop it and see it and

562
00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:42,560
uh

563
00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:43,640
you know,

564
00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,680
uh have money put into it to to make it

565
00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:48,640
better and nicer.

566
00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:50,920
Uh and then legal questions.

567
00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:52,080
There's a lot with this one that we

568
00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:53,800
don't fully understand and I we've

569
00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:55,200
talked a little bit about this with

570
00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:56,400
Brett and we're not going to be able to

571
00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,200
really get granular on on how exactly

572
00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,440
this works. Uh

573
00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:02,760
but I think there's there's some legal

574
00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,200
questions of if we get the money in lieu

575
00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,520
of up front, are we obligated to spend

576
00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:09,240
that money on the front edge of that

577
00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:12,600
subdivision or can we pool it with with

578
00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:14,320
other uh

579
00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,000
assessments in lieu of and and start on

580
00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:18,920
the you know, the bottom part of the the

581
00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,040
whole system so that it makes sense as

582
00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,040
we construct it. Not exactly sure if how

583
00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:25,920
that works, but that's something that

584
00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:27,560
there's a little uncertainty because

585
00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,160
this is something that that would be new

586
00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:30,720
and something we're not quite as

587
00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:32,960
familiar with.

588
00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:34,960
Finally, the last option is basically

589
00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,080
just requiring the construction of those

590
00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:40,080
subdivision improvements. Pros.

591
00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,120
Again, the ex- expectation is up front.

592
00:20:42,120 --> 00:20:43,200
They need to build it. It's a

593
00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:44,840
requirement and and they would build it

594
00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,240
up front. Uh the improvements are

595
00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:49,240
actually constructed. Instead of it

596
00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,440
being something that happens in the

597
00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,600
future, they're built now and we have

598
00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,760
the infrastructure there. Uh and I think

599
00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:57,080
there's a less chance for future

600
00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,320
disputes uh with a deferral agreement

601
00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,400
and kind of the political challenges I

602
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,920
referenced before or or uh you know,

603
00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:09,400
maybe some of the the legal debates of where it should apply and how it

604
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:10,880
should be applied

605
00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:11,440
uh

606
00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,080
with the the the money in lieu of

607
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:14,280
option.

608
00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,280
Uh the assessment in lieu of option.

609
00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:17,400
You know,

610
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,560
I don't think there's any of that with it just being construct and

611
00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,520
constructed up front with with the

612
00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:24,840
subdivision uh and the improvements that

613
00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:26,640
need to happen before any

614
00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:28,440
homes are built.

615
00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:29,680
Cons,

616
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:31,120
uh there could be potential design

617
00:21:31,120 --> 00:21:32,400
challenges.

618
00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,200
You know, anytime that that you have

619
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:35,960
kind of you know,

620
00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:37,800
um

621
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,800
segmented or or or uh

622
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:45,720
you know, incremental construction, it uh

623
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:47,280
it creates disconnects. It creates the

624
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:48,800
situations the mayor talked about where

625
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,720
you have sidewalks that end and and

626
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:53,360
uh you know, you don't have that system

627
00:21:53,360 --> 00:21:55,920
that's that's put put together.

628
00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:57,120
Um

629
00:21:57,120 --> 00:21:58,920
incremental construction, I talked about

630
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:00,800
that already of of of the challenges

631
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:02,640
with that. And then just a lack of

632
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,240
system and and varying maintenance

633
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,440
schedule. If you have

634
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,520
sidewalk and and storm water pipe that's

635
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,600
built one year and then you have another

636
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:12,520
segment right next to it that's built 10

637
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:13,720
years later, they're going to be on

638
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,480
different maintenance schedules and you

639
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,640
might have pipe that goes out of

640
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:19,160
uh you know, that needs to be replaced

641
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,280
and you know, but but you have some pipe

642
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:22,840
that's newer. It just makes makes a

643
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:24,280
disconnect with with how all the

644
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,480
maintenance and and how all of the, you

645
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,400
know, the age of that infrastructure uh

646
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,160
looks.

647
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:31,520
So, those those are really the three

648
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,080
options that I see and some of the pros

649
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:34,880
and cons. Uh

650
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:36,520
Let me just go up to to the construction

651
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,000
[clears throat] option.

652
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:39,400
Um

653
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,360
let me give you my recommendation and

654
00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:42,640
you know, I've talked with John, I've

655
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,880
talked with Norm. There's there's really

656
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:46,320
so many different ways to look at this.

657
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,200
There's maybe not necessarily a right or

658
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:49,480
wrong way.

659
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,640
But my personal feeling and and my

660
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,760
experience in working with the deferral

661
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:55,880
agreements and thinking about what they

662
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:57,800
mean for the city and and what impacts

663
00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:59,120
they'll create and what challenges

664
00:22:59,120 --> 00:23:02,080
they'll present,

665
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,640
I think we're to a point now uh where we

666
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,280
weren't 15 years ago. And that is that

667
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,680
we do have some general design of what

668
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:09,880
the infrastructure would look would look

669
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:11,600
like. What I mean by that is in our

670
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,120
master plan, we have a cross-section for

671
00:23:14,120 --> 00:23:15,680
what the core area of town

672
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,840
infrastructure needs to be. Uh

673
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,360
is that a complete design? No, I think

674
00:23:21,360 --> 00:23:23,040
each individual subdivision will need to

675
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:24,920
have more specific designs to make it

676
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,080
all work. But I think we have enough of

677
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:28,600
a design that I think we should we

678
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,960
should start to require it and just see

679
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,400
the infrastructure built. Again, it does

680
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:34,840
create some challenges. It does create

681
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,000
some concerns of you know, uh

682
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,560
infrastructure that's not connected. But

683
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,840
uh an example of that is is on Center

684
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,000
Street across from the cemetery, there

685
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,920
is a couple town homes there that have

686
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,080
the infrastructure in front of them.

687
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,120
It's not ideal, but but it still works.

688
00:23:51,120 --> 00:23:52,840
And and we have that infrastructure in

689
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,080
and we don't need to worry about trying

690
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,400
to to recover those costs in in a

691
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,840
deferral agreement or or you know, money

692
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:03,520
in assessment in lieu of that that might

693
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,920
not uh equal the actual cost of putting

694
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:07,800
in that infrastructure.

695
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:09,920
But on top of that recommendation of of

696
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,680
taking this approach

697
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,720
uh from now on with with any uh

698
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,280
development that's proposed in the core

699
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,240
area of town,

700
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,240
it's my recommendation. I think over the

701
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,680
next 5 to 10 years, I think roughly we

702
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:23,800
have

703
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,160
and I I don't know for sure, but we have

704
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,160
I don't know, 15 to 20 or so deferral

705
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:29,480
agreements right now that have happened

706
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,360
over the past 15 years.

707
00:24:31,360 --> 00:24:32,960
I think since we're to a point where the

708
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,080
infrastructure is a little bit better

709
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:36,600
understanding of what the design of that

710
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,520
should look like, I think we should

711
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,240
start um fulfilling those deferral

712
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,520
agreements and do two or three starting

713
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,920
with the oldest ones before they sunset.

714
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:47,520
And I think we start getting that those

715
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,760
infrastructure improvements built. One,

716
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:51,760
we're not going to, you know, see those

717
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:57,560
agreements sunset and and not be able to you know, have the the obligations

718
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,440
that were on on these these people that

719
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,760
develop property just disappear into

720
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,120
thin air. Uh but two, I think it'll

721
00:25:04,120 --> 00:25:06,920
start to to slowly build the

722
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:08,440
infrastructure in the core area that we

723
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,320
need in order to to meet those eventual

724
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,320
obligations that the state will will put

725
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:17,440
on us for storm water. Um

726
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:18,480
in summary, I don't think there's an

727
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,280
ideal option here. I think the other way

728
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,080
I'd sum this up is I think deferral

729
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,320
agreements are not the way to go. And

730
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,120
the more they happen, the more

731
00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:31,840
uh challenges I see and the more um

732
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,200
the more that I think that deferral

733
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:34,640
agreements are not the best way to

734
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,640
continue moving forward. Uh

735
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,120
we still have deferral agreements out

736
00:25:38,120 --> 00:25:40,200
there and I think we start to to see

737
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,160
those those worked on and build and like

738
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,480
I say, we do two or three a year and that way they

739
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,480
won't we won't see them sunset. Uh

740
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:49,720
and and we start to see some

741
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,840
construction happen, but those are my

742
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:53,320
thoughts. These Again, these are things

743
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:54,600
that I wanted to bring before you to

744
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,080
help you understand kind of the bigger

745
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:57,760
um

746
00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,880
philosophy behind why the city has done

747
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:01,720
deferral agreements and and what some of

748
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,840
the pros and cons are for for deferral

749
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,120
agreements and for other options. So, uh

750
00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:08,760
I bring that to you for your discussion

751
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,480
and you know, I don't expect any

752
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:11,960
decision's going to be made tonight or

753
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,520
maybe maybe there will be, but uh we

754
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,440
wanted to bring this for you before you

755
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:17,880
so you could be,

756
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:19,320
you know, better understand it and be

757
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,360
thinking about how you think the city

758
00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:22,880
should move forward on this particular

759
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,520
topic as we continue to get subdivision

760
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:29,048
proposals in the core area of town.

761
00:26:29,048 --> 00:26:29,440
>> [clears throat]

762
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:30,120
>> I have a

763
00:26:30,120 --> 00:26:33,000
>> I I do want to say that we've got three

764
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,960
or four other items that we want to talk

765
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,520
about in this meeting. If we spend too

766
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,960
much time going over it, we're going to

767
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,800
be inundated with a a massive amount of

768
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,040
business in our work set or in our

769
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:46,640
regular session.

770
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,320
I I would suggest maybe that uh

771
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,200
the seeds have been planted

772
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,400
And I would like to push it, you know, a

773
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,360
month or two down the road. Give us a

774
00:26:59,360 --> 00:27:01,920
chance to look at it. In the meantime,

775
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,640
we're going to be starting the new

776
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,000
updated wastewater plan.

777
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:07,800
>> Stormwater.

778
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,680
plan, yeah.

779
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,200
That's all wastewater in there.

780
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:15,200
But

781
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,920
the good thing about that is that that

782
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,920
rolls right into this and and the need

783
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,600
to develop basins or capture areas or to

784
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,080
be able to disperse the water to the

785
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,680
aquifer or whatever we do with that

786
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:30,920
plan.

787
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,240
But it's going to make more sense and

788
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,480
it'll help us to

789
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,840
look at where some of these best areas

790
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,120
might be and I think if we go

791
00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:45,400
two months on it, maybe that's going to

792
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,200
give us a chance to come back and say

793
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,680
if if you really want to do this, here's

794
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,640
where we want to look. In the meanwhile,

795
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,400
we'll still be looking at deferral

796
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,880
agreements until we have a better

797
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,000
method, but if we're tying this down or

798
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,360
into something, I think

799
00:28:02,360 --> 00:28:04,400
rather than try to answer it tonight,

800
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,120
this may be the best way to do it.

801
00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:09,160
Not that I want to kick it down the

802
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:10,800
road, but I want to kick it down the

803
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,200
road.

804
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,160
I just I don't think this is opportune.

805
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,434
>> You want to defer the conversation?

806
00:28:18,434 --> 00:28:19,720
>> [laughter]

807
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:20,640
>> Yes, please.

808
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:21,880
>> Well,

809
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,080
do you feel different?

810
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:25,720
>> No, I had some questions, but I can just

811
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,760
talk with Jason afterward and and that

812
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:28,960
way it gives us time to think about

813
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:30,840
this. So, I think it's fine. I don't

814
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:32,080
think we need to have a discussion right

815
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:32,320
now.

816
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:33,960
>> I think it's something that's really

817
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,760
going to take some time and

818
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,320
we're going to have to figure out how to

819
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,000
arm ourselves because you think

820
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,400
balancing the budget's tough.

821
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,800
Figure that 200 million in here and how

822
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,680
we're going to come up with it. So,

823
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,040
who knows?

824
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,200
Maybe we'll find a way, but

825
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:55,680
is that all right?

826
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:56,920
>> You're leading the meeting, Mayor.

827
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,120
>> You bet. Thank you, Jason. I appreciate

828
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:03,400
it. And yes, we need to look at it and

829
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,840
we'll take it to the next level, okay?

830
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,760
Let's move on to the discussion on the

831
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,160
rec buildings' uses and schedules.

832
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,040
>> Yeah, so Mayor and Council, we have our

833
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:16,640
community services director here. She

834
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,960
and I have been working, mostly she

835
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,520
has been working on this for the last

836
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:21,960
couple of weeks since we talked about it

837
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,000
before and we now present to you a new

838
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,400
and improved,

839
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,600
hopefully, schedule that we can look at

840
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,560
and kind of take a look at and see where

841
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:30,920
we're going.

842
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,520
Um Cammie, if you want to come up and

843
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,920
just lead the discussion, we we I I do

844
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,400
want to say that we we heard the

845
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,000
concerns of the council that were

846
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:40,720
expressed a couple of them in the last

847
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:45,720
meeting and went back to the drawing board and uh tried to to do a couple of

848
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,360
things, nail things down of where things

849
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,880
are actually at and what's being used

850
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,960
and kind of the the current programs that we have and

851
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,000
how we can expand and what we can add

852
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,840
and all that kind of stuff. So,

853
00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:58,480
please.

854
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,040
>> Well, you kind of summed it up. Norm

855
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:01,920
won't have much to say after that. But

856
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,760
per um Mayor's direction, we came back

857
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,800
and had some more discussions um

858
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,920
regarding the schedule that was proposed

859
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,280
uh a couple weeks ago. Um I talked to um

860
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,360
Councilman Del Rosario and so did Norm

861
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:15,600
and Norm and I have been talking. I've

862
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:16,760
talked with our staff and our

863
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,440
instructors and our contractors um about

864
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,080
programming that um can be moved and

865
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,520
adjusted. Our contractors have been very

866
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,520
accommodating, which I've appreciated.

867
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,520
Um they freed up a few

868
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,120
um hours in of their schedules to

869
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,320
accommodate each other, which um worked

870
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,640
out really well. So, as of right now,

871
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,000
the the section, the kind of purple

872
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,040
section, that's the current recreation

873
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,400
building um where we had a lot of

874
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:45,920
programming still happening in that

875
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:47,840
building a couple weeks ago. We've now

876
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,920
freed up a lot of that space

877
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,360
to be used in the future for some

878
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,520
open kind of workout

879
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,320
opportunities for the community

880
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,280
and have moved majority of our

881
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,760
programming over to the new recreation

882
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:04,920
building.

883
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:05,520
Um

884
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,160
our what couple of our main concerns

885
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,280
that I discussed a couple weeks ago were

886
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:12,800
that we were having a lot of fitness

887
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,680
classes still here at City Hall which we

888
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,080
were trying to minimize that and put

889
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,720
them into a building where the child

890
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,600
care was um

891
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,280
given or

892
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,360
where we hold our child care facility.

893
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,920
So we were able to free up the majority

894
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,640
of our fitness classes from City Hall

895
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,160
with this proposed schedule except for

896
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,520
our senior fitness classes which they

897
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,080
like to have here at City Hall. Um

898
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,280
they're here for their senior

899
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:41,960
activities on Tuesdays and Thursdays

900
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,000
anyway and this is an appropriate place

901
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,200
for those classes to be held. So

902
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,240
currently right now

903
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,360
as you can see in the purple section we

904
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,400
have just a handful of fitness classes

905
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,760
that need to remain or currently need to

906
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,120
remain in the old building. They

907
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,320
conflict with schedules with our

908
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,360
contractors as well as other fitness

909
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,560
classes that they can't really be held

910
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,840
side by side. For example, you can't

911
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,560
have Zumba on one side of the building

912
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,400
while you're having yoga on the other.

913
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:12,960
They just don't really coincide with

914
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:13,582
each other.

915
00:32:13,582 --> 00:32:14,120
>> [clears throat]

916
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,600
>> Um so those fitness classes

917
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,760
are currently still planned to be held in the old

918
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,880
recreation building but

919
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,080
we have freed up quite a bit of time in

920
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:27,320
the morning

921
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,840
for what we could propose in the future

922
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,960
for some open workout um

923
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,840
time for the community

924
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:36,880
and some evening time as well. That

925
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,360
middle section that looks like a

926
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:39,720
checkerboard,

927
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,040
I kind of did as far as um

928
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,200
there's a potential there to to not only

929
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,120
have open workout time, but also

930
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,400
scheduled instruction

931
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,400
um classes scheduled where you have a an

932
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,000
actual fitness instructor on-site

933
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,680
helping people to use the equipment

934
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,080
properly, um

935
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,280
having classes around the equipment. For

936
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,200
example, like a workout of the day which

937
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:04,560
for those of you who are familiar with

938
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,160
CrossFit, but that's kind of a CrossFit

939
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,240
type class that's not affiliated with

940
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,080
CrossFit. Um

941
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,280
but also some weight training classes,

942
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,280
some circuit training classes that would

943
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,040
use the equipment that we're hoping to

944
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,360
purchase and put in that facility, but

945
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,200
have an instructor there on-site to help

946
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,280
monitor and keep things safe and secure.

947
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,520
Um

948
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,080
Anyway, so that's kind of what we're

949
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,320
proposing. It looks like there is some

950
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,160
potential there. Our main drawback, of

951
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:32,840
course, is that we don't really have the

952
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,680
appropriate staff to man that facility,

953
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,080
especially from 5:00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m.

954
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,200
every day. So, that's our biggest hurdle

955
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,800
and that will come hopefully in the near

956
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,880
to

957
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,400
hopefully not very far out that we'll

958
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,640
have the staff we need that are

959
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,800
certified and um

960
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,520
ready to to help run a a workout type

961
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,240
facility. Um

962
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:57,880
that's what I have to say. Do you have

963
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,480
any questions I can I can walk through

964
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,000
some of that with you. You can't really

965
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,840
see the rest of it, but um

966
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,280
it does accommodate all of the cheer and

967
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,000
the tumbling and the martial arts in the

968
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,960
new building space, which we're really

969
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,240
grateful for. Um that space is is really

970
00:34:14,240 --> 00:34:23,869
adequate for for those programs.

971
00:34:23,879 --> 00:34:24,879
» So,

972
00:34:24,879 --> 00:34:26,440
questions on that for Cammy? I've got

973
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:27,960
some pictures of some of the equipment

974
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,360
that that we've been looking at that we

975
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:30,720
could potentially purchase that I can

976
00:34:30,720 --> 00:34:32,960
bring up as well. Again, not an

977
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,800
exhaustive list, but just some examples

978
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,000
of what we believe could fit in the

979
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,200
building while still accommodating some

980
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:40,800
of the other classes and making it so

981
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,080
that it's not one or the other. We can

982
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,240
do both, which is what we two of the

983
00:34:45,240 --> 00:34:47,080
council members talked about the last

984
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:48,240
time we were in this meeting, and we

985
00:34:48,240 --> 00:34:50,240
wanted to make sure that we heard and

986
00:34:50,240 --> 00:34:52,320
we're trying to address that. So,

987
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,440
>> Kim, can I ask you else? Yeah, go ahead.

988
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,919
Can I ask you um

989
00:34:56,919 --> 00:34:58,680
I don't know how I I feel like you have

990
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,080
more experience in this.

991
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:01,880
How How do you make it like dual use? Do

992
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,520
you have like a fence around? You know

993
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,360
how like there's like at a Vasa there's

994
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:06,520
like

995
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,440
the personal trainer fence area in the

996
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,240
middle of the Vasa. How do you make it

997
00:35:10,240 --> 00:35:12,680
so that it's multi-use? Because I like

998
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:13,960
that idea.

999
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:15,400
But then yeah you know what I'm saying

1000
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,280
like having weight equipment out to

1001
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,640
>> So, I actually spoke with Eric Anderson.

1002
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:23,080
He's our Precor rep um that

1003
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,360
John Bradley had been speaking to about

1004
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,160
some equipment. Um

1005
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,880
he had a long list of equipment that he and John had gone through, but

1006
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:32,640
it wasn't um

1007
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,520
we don't have the budget for all of

1008
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,960
that. So, what he and I kind of mapped

1009
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,240
out was almost like um

1010
00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:41,120
equipment around the the sides like in

1011
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,680
an L-shape around the the old recreation

1012
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,240
building, which would leave the center

1013
00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:49,800
area still open for fitness classes. Um

1014
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,360
some of that equipment can be brought

1015
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,720
out like things like medicine ball, slam

1016
00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:55,280
balls, those kind of things can be

1017
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,720
incorporated into those type classes,

1018
00:35:57,720 --> 00:36:00,000
but then stored on the side where the

1019
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,320
cardio equipment and the um we're

1020
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:03,880
looking at like a rig. I don't know if

1021
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:05,560
you're familiar with rigs like squat

1022
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,240
rigs where um you can do wall ball

1023
00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:11,000
exercises on them. You can do um banded

1024
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,120
lift the the that's the rig.

1025
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:15,560
Where you can do you know banded

1026
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,680
pull-ups and and assisted pull-ups.

1027
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,240
These that's a squat rack one of the

1028
00:36:19,240 --> 00:36:21,280
other things we're looking at um having,

1029
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,480
but all of that would be like I said on

1030
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:24,520
the

1031
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,680
on kind of around the out of the of the

1032
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,440
facility leaving the middle section.

1033
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,720
And then after the after the buildings

1034
00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:33,720
have been opened, the new building

1035
00:36:33,720 --> 00:36:36,440
especially, and we have can adjust and

1036
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,080
make improvements and and look for ways

1037
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,320
to adjust all of this as we can then

1038
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,160
afford to

1039
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,160
purchase more equipment, then that would

1040
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,080
impede on that middle space. But then

1041
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:48,280
we're in a place where we have the

1042
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,240
staff, we have the equipment, and we can

1043
00:36:51,240 --> 00:36:53,320
use that more for what was maybe

1044
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,600
proposed before.

1045
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:56,640
>> So Brian, I think

1046
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:57,640
>> Does that answer your question?

1047
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,560
>> Yeah, because well, I was also thinking,

1048
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,000
you know, like my home gym where it's

1049
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:01,960
like

1050
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,120
take kids, don't come over and hit get

1051
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:05,240
the weights to fall on you, you know,

1052
00:37:05,240 --> 00:37:07,360
like a 50-lb weight. But if you have it

1053
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,240
in that L, you have that visibility of

1054
00:37:09,240 --> 00:37:11,800
if there's someone is around there, like

1055
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,400
even if it's an adult, you want to be

1056
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,200
safe, too. So I like that idea. So it's

1057
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:17,920
all all the machines are visible.

1058
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:18,760
>> Yeah, you can see.

1059
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,800
>> It's almost like zoned. Like the east

1060
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,240
side of the building and then and the

1061
00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:24,880
north line to the little corral area

1062
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,000
right there would would be that L-shape

1063
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,440
that she's talking about, freeing up the

1064
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,560
middle. And then again, the the kettle

1065
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:31,880
balls or whatever they're going to use

1066
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,000
during a an instructed class could still

1067
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,360
come out in the middle and be in there,

1068
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:36,880
but you still have that weight equipment

1069
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:38,200
on the outside and the strength training

1070
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:39,240
and school equipment on the outside.

1071
00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:40,600
>> And we would do it for where the

1072
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,480
strength, you know, weight weighted

1073
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,120
equipment is on one side, cardio

1074
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,760
equipment kind of in in a zone sectioned

1075
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,640
off so that, you know, it's it's more

1076
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,080
structured than it is just equipment out here in the room.

1077
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,390
>> I like that idea.

1078
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:57,880
So that's our story and we're sticking

1079
00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:59,760
to it unless you have other thoughts or

1080
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:00,440
comments.

1081
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:01,120
>> Any other questions?

1082
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,720
>> Um I I would indicate again, Cammy's

1083
00:38:03,720 --> 00:38:06,080
done a great job working with with

1084
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,160
our fitness instructors, with our

1085
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:09,960
contractors, and all that kind of stuff.

1086
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:11,920
I would just to to emphasize on the

1087
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:13,840
left-hand side in the older building,

1088
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,520
all that purple stuff right now we don't

1089
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,120
have staffing for. So we will have to

1090
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,280
figure out how those early mornings and

1091
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:20,680
those later evenings, how we get

1092
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:22,520
staffing and potentially child care in

1093
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,480
there. Right right now we don't have

1094
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,840
that. Um the the grayish areas are the

1095
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,400
ones like the workout of the day or the

1096
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,400
ones that are less purple, I guess is

1097
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:32,840
the best way cuz the screen's not

1098
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:34,240
showing right. [laughter]

1099
00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:36,280
The gray areas would be instructed

1100
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,520
classes would be structured with an

1101
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,680
instructor when be in there again using

1102
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,360
either the weight training equipment or

1103
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:43,800
whatever other equipment that we have in

1104
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,440
there. So that's not so much of a worry

1105
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,480
but but as far as staffing is concerned

1106
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,720
cuz we would have instructors to be able

1107
00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:53,600
to grow into that.

1108
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,480
>> And just overall, I just wanted to say,

1109
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,920
you know, we are hoping to just maximize

1110
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,320
the space that we have but also allow

1111
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,880
for expansion of future programming and

1112
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,040
classing and classes, you know, in the

1113
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:06,960
future. So um

1114
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:12,230
we think that this will allow for that.

1115
00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:14,240
» Did we get it?

1116
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:15,280
Are we on the right track?

1117
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:16,880
>> I I want to add, you know, I want to

1118
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:18,880
apologize I already apologize talked

1119
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,200
with uh both Norm and Cammie, but I

1120
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:23,880
wanted to say here

1121
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:25,520
um the last meeting I was really

1122
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,720
confused about the plans and

1123
00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:30,200
yeah, well, there was a change from the

1124
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,320
original plans. I I realized after

1125
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,280
talking and thinking it through that

1126
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,160
what I said to Norm and Cammie wasn't

1127
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,560
right. Um

1128
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,040
they're just trying to do the best with

1129
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,120
what's available to them

1130
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,720
and I really appreciate the creativity

1131
00:39:49,720 --> 00:39:51,800
to make this happen. Um

1132
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,320
so well,

1133
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:57,040
you know, it wasn't right for me how I went about that, you know, and I

1134
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,040
apologize about that. Um

1135
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,160
I do want to highlight like it's I thank

1136
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,600
Norm and Cammie for helping me see

1137
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:08,080
things with more context. Um

1138
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,400
and with the limitations that, you know,

1139
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,240
weren't right in the front of my mind of

1140
00:40:13,240 --> 00:40:15,560
that we don't have staffing for a lot of

1141
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,760
this and so we have to be creative. So,

1142
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,680
I really appreciate it. So, thanks for taking a a look at that.

1143
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,182
>> Well, thank you. I appreciate that.

1144
00:40:24,182 --> 00:40:26,590
>> [snorts]

1145
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:27,160
» All right.

1146
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:28,800
>> Are we good with the way it's going?

1147
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,480
>> Unless there's any questions or other

1148
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,080
input that we have.

1149
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,080
>> It's good.

1150
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:35,880
>> Well, what about the equipment? How far

1151
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,680
away from making any decisions? We do

1152
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,000
have some money that are set aside for

1153
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:41,120
that.

1154
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,640
>> So, we currently have to finish the new

1155
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,080
building. That's going to require funds

1156
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,480
to finish the flooring, purchase the new

1157
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,840
flooring, the mats, some fans, the

1158
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,400
center divider. So, once that and John

1159
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,040
and I are going to start working on that

1160
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,320
as early as next week, probably looking

1161
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,080
at I'm getting some of that taken care

1162
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,280
of. Once all of that has been purchased,

1163
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,360
then we'll know the lump sum of money

1164
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,240
that we have for the equipment. And then

1165
00:41:07,240 --> 00:41:08,800
Eric Anderson and I will get back

1166
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,800
together. Um he already has kind of

1167
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,080
started putting together what he thinks

1168
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:16,200
would work in that in that um limited

1169
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,560
space or limited area, as well as um

1170
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:23,040
Lindsay, our uh Scott, she's our fitness

1171
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:24,680
coordinator. Um she and I have kind of

1172
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,200
put together a wish list of what we

1173
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,400
think would would maximize that

1174
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,680
opportunity. So, um here probably in the

1175
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,720
next couple weeks, we'll know more about

1176
00:41:33,720 --> 00:41:35,400
the equipment and when what we can get

1177
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,360
in there and how to use those funds to

1178
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,163
the best of our ability.

1179
00:41:40,163 --> 00:41:41,120
>> [laughter]

1180
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:46,950
>> Okay.

1181
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:47,560
Good.

1182
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:47,960
>> Okay.

1183
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:48,800
>> Great. Thanks, Kim.

1184
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:50,560
>> questions?

1185
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:51,360
>> All right. Thank you.

1186
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:52,320
>> Okay.

1187
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:53,840
>> Um

1188
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,760
upcoming agenda items.

1189
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,920
>> Yeah, so mayor and council, we have uh

1190
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:00,360
in in the main meeting, the regular

1191
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,240
meeting, we have uh

1192
00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:04,480
minutes. We have bills. You'll notice

1193
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:05,720
that the bills are quite large this

1194
00:42:05,720 --> 00:42:07,560
time. That's because we're

1195
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,640
now paying for a fire truck, and it will

1196
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,040
be here

1197
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:12,720
uh supposedly within the next week or

1198
00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:15,080
two. They they were uh our staff went

1199
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,000
back to to Alpharetta, Wisconsin

1200
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,360
and had a uh

1201
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,960
interesting time getting there, not not

1202
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,440
at the place, but

1203
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,840
after a 4 and 1/2 hour Uber ride, they

1204
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:28,520
were able to get to the to Alpharetta,

1205
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:30,240
Wisconsin and

1206
00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:32,920
uh trained in and beautiful new truck

1207
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,040
and and identified some areas that they

1208
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:36,560
needed to have some either paint

1209
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,480
touch-up or other things that need to be

1210
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,080
addressed. And so, those will be coming

1211
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:41,880
in the we we anticipate in the next 2

1212
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,120
weeks we should have that to a fire

1213
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:45,640
truck on the ground in Salt Lake City

1214
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,680
and then down to here.

1215
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:49,800
Um architectural review committee

1216
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,240
appointment.

1217
00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:54,480
>> Yeah, so uh I'm not sure if she'll be

1218
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:55,680
able to be here tonight, but it's

1219
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,120
someone that you all know. She's on our

1220
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:58,440
planning commission. If you remember,

1221
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,600
ARC requires that we have representation

1222
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,120
from the planning commission.

1223
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,040
Uh I've talked with her and she's she's

1224
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:05,960
good to to

1225
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,920
take on this role, but it would be um

1226
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,800
Breanna Nixon who we would suggest to be

1227
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,560
appointed to the the architectural

1228
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,360
review committee. Everybody else is

1229
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:15,640
already been appointed and is already

1230
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,200
there. Uh Kylie Lance would who was on

1231
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,040
the planning commission and and was was

1232
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:22,640
in that role, she would become the

1233
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,760
alternate based on the the ARC amendment

1234
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,400
that happened at the last meeting. So,

1235
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,640
yeah, Breanna Nixon is is the the person

1236
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,160
that we would ask for your your uh

1237
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,880
support and and approval to to appoint

1238
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,600
her to the ARC committee.

1239
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:39,360
>> Okay.

1240
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,200
>> During the public forum, we have a safe

1241
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,120
route to school discussion at Santaquin

1242
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,440
Elementary. I know that myself and I

1243
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,440
think the mayor and council member Keel

1244
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,120
have had and staff members have had

1245
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,040
emails and discussions with the PTA

1246
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,360
president at uh I think it's the PTA

1247
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,520
president, right, Travis?

1248
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,760
She's either on the board or

1249
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,160
>> School safety coordinator.

1250
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,160
>> Okay. Anyway, coming and talking about

1251
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,600
uh proposal ideas, thoughts for

1252
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:06,960
safe route to

1253
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:08,440
school at Santaquin Elementary. We'll

1254
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,640
have Chief Hurst and Jason Calloway will

1255
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:14,480
also be here. Everything from signage to

1256
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:15,800
stop

1257
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:17,320
crosswalks to other things that we'll

1258
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:18,440
talk about, I'm sure, during that

1259
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:19,600
discussion.

1260
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:20,800
>> Now,

1261
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,720
Rod said he had had discussion recently

1262
00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:25,960
with

1263
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,240
school board. Do we want to ask him to

1264
00:44:28,240 --> 00:44:29,520
come up first and

1265
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,120
>> We we may want to.

1266
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,400
>> all the stuff he's just gone through?

1267
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,440
>> may want to, and here's why. The the

1268
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,840
school district actually determines the

1269
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:39,720
Safe Routes to School. They we work with

1270
00:44:39,720 --> 00:44:42,240
them, again, for everything from signage

1271
00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:45,120
to to crosswalks to other things. We

1272
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:46,640
work with them and try and figure out

1273
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,280
the best route, but we are not the

1274
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,920
designee of Safe Routes to School. We

1275
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:52,800
can help with with things that are being

1276
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,440
requested or things that the school

1277
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,120
district will will request, but we do

1278
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,200
not designate or assign or fill in the

1279
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,000
blank of Safe Routes to School. That's

1280
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:02,480
done by the school district. And there's

1281
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:03,960
a reason for that. If you've ever seen

1282
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:05,520
the school district actually has a heat

1283
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:06,800
map.

1284
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,520
They they can look at Santaquin, and I

1285
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:09,880
turn north cuz that's the way I look at

1286
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:11,800
all maps. They they can look at

1287
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:13,480
Santaquin and say there's eight people

1288
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,880
in that block that go to this school, or

1289
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:17,320
there's four people in that block that

1290
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,240
go to this school. So, that that's how

1291
00:45:19,240 --> 00:45:21,160
they do it is they use GIS and a and a

1292
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,400
heat map to be able to determine what

1293
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,880
may be best for Safe Routes to School.

1294
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,280
So, that that might be something to have

1295
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,200
him just come up and talk about. I I

1296
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:31,720
know that there have been some efforts

1297
00:45:31,720 --> 00:45:33,520
in the past, last year,

1298
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,680
uh similar requests came in, and we

1299
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:40,400
painted uh an updated uh crosswalks and that kind of thing. And so, working

1300
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,600
with both the principal and the PTA and

1301
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:44,560
with the school district, we have done

1302
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,120
some things there. I'm I'm confident

1303
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:47,520
there's probably more that that there's

1304
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,240
will be requested.

1305
00:45:49,240 --> 00:45:51,600
But, happy to answer any questions that

1306
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:53,760
I can on that, but again, we've got

1307
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:55,280
Chief Hurst who just met with the school

1308
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:56,760
district, and then Jason Calloway on our

1309
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:00,040
public works side of things.

1310
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:01,120
Uh

1311
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,400
item number six, resolution 03-06-03 is

1312
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,040
a

1313
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:07,720
municipal wastewater planning program.

1314
00:46:07,720 --> 00:46:09,640
This is an annual thing that we have to

1315
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:11,720
submit and Jason goes in and fills this

1316
00:46:11,720 --> 00:46:14,160
out online and this is just a resolution

1317
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,760
saying, yep, this is what we've done.

1318
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,320
Uh, resolution number seven, sorry, item

1319
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,560
number seven, resolution 06-04 is a fee

1320
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,560
schedule update. There's quite a few

1321
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,560
things on that. The the main impetus of

1322
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,280
a fee schedule update in June is for our

1323
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,120
COLA. Remember that we that each year we

1324
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,200
look at utility rates and and costs and

1325
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:34,880
all that kind of stuff and we do a cost

1326
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,920
of living adjustment for utility rates.

1327
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,160
So, that is happening here. Also,

1328
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:41,760
there's stuff on there, everything from

1329
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,480
street lights to stream street signage

1330
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,680
to rental of buildings and different

1331
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,760
parts of our parks and other things.

1332
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,200
I've worked with all departments and so

1333
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,280
there's a lot there, but this is just an

1334
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,480
annual update that we do. Sometimes

1335
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,120
we'll do one mid-year, but this year is

1336
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,640
just a the the normal June one that we

1337
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,200
adopt. Happy to answer any questions if

1338
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,080
you have questions on that. As you can

1339
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:05,640
see from some of those things, costs

1340
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,440
just continue to increase, whether it

1341
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,760
happens to be a hydrant meter for

1342
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:12,600
contractors when they use water from the

1343
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:14,680
city, whether it happens to be park

1344
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,040
rentals, whether it has to be street

1345
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,440
lights, costs just continue to increase,

1346
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:19,880
unfortunately.

1347
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,640
>> Can I ask a question on that? Um,

1348
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:24,280
I saw waste removal. I thought that the

1349
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,080
cost went down and from last year, the

1350
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,040
contract, maybe I'm misunderstanding

1351
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:29,360
that.

1352
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,840
>> It was it it was it was even, basically.

1353
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:33,720
It's within about and I have to pull up

1354
00:47:33,720 --> 00:47:35,760
the spreadsheet, but the cost to to do

1355
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,040
it this year and remember that we have a

1356
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,480
COLA every year as well. So, the the

1357
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,240
cost from Republic to Waste Management

1358
00:47:42,240 --> 00:47:44,760
was about even. Now, I can tell you that

1359
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:48,280
in the time since we've had the the uh,

1360
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:49,920
the contract with Waste Management, and

1361
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,520
nothing to do with Waste Management, but

1362
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:54,760
uh, recycle costs have increased $15 a

1363
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,000
ton just in the last month from the time

1364
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,640
that we adopted the the tentative budget

1365
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,560
to now just just

1366
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,560
tipping fees for recycle.

1367
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:05,320
Just

1368
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,840
>> So our cost with waste management is

1369
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:09,920
going up. And so these

1370
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,760
>> It will next year. It doesn't It is

1371
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,440
going up just I want to say it's about

1372
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,120
8 cents a can. Don't quote me on that. I

1373
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:18,440
can pull up between the meeting if you

1374
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:19,800
want me to, but I want to say that their

1375
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,680
cost was about 8 cents per can more than

1376
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:23,720
what we're currently paying with

1377
00:48:23,720 --> 00:48:25,920
Republic. But they came in the lowest

1378
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:27,920
cost estimate.

1379
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,840
>> Okay. Okay. That makes sense. Yeah.

1380
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:31,840
I just wanted to make sure that we

1381
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:35,600
weren't increasing those fees

1382
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,640
without an actual need from us.

1383
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:39,480
But yeah.

1384
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:39,880
>> Yeah.

1385
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:40,600
Okay.

1386
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,160
>> Yep. I I think we're good. I'm happy to

1387
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:43,600
answer any questions that you have. Item

1388
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,400
number eight is the certified tax rate.

1389
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,360
That is the the

1390
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,160
tax rate that has been assigned by the

1391
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,240
state for the

1392
00:48:53,240 --> 00:48:55,280
um it's called the certified tax rate

1393
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:56,800
for the mill levy.

1394
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:58,320
And that rate

1395
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,160
as I've indicated to council members and

1396
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,520
the mayor that rate has gone down

1397
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,840
.00001.

1398
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,120
So 1/10,000 of a decimal point has gone

1399
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:08,280
down.

1400
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,280
Um if that's what's adopted tonight, I

1401
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:11,600
know there's been some other discussion.

1402
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:12,840
We're happy to have discussion about

1403
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:14,640
that. But what's being presented at the

1404
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:15,920
mayor's direction tonight is the

1405
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,320
certified tax rate. And then item number

1406
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,200
nine would be a final budget. Should

1407
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:21,640
that pass and should that be the

1408
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:25,480
direction that's taking then that taken,

1409
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,000
then there would be no more need to

1410
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:28,800
continue on with the truth and taxation

1411
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:34,150
process, the noticing the the um

1412
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,120
newspaper ads, the public hearings, etc.

1413
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:38,440
Now I I do want to make sure that

1414
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:39,960
everybody's aware we still have a public

1415
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,240
hearing on June 30th for this current

1416
00:49:42,240 --> 00:49:43,960
fiscal year that we're in. So that's

1417
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:45,720
different than than what's being

1418
00:49:45,720 --> 00:49:47,120
presented tonight and there's no public

1419
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,280
hearing required tonight to just adopt

1420
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,120
the certified tax rate should that be

1421
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,120
what the council wants to do. And at the

1422
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:54,400
direction of the mayor that's what we

1423
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:55,800
have presented and also in the final

1424
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,390
budget.

1425
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,640
Resolution 0607 is approval of URS

1426
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,520
service agreement. Um we have our

1427
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,160
finance director here. Shannon, if you

1428
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:07,480
want to come up and talk about those two

1429
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,320
items that the URS

1430
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,000
service agreement and the employer pick

1431
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:12,160
up.

1432
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,960
>> Uh so the service agreement is just um

1433
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:16,960
to update the contract or the agreement

1434
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:18,680
that we have with URS to add a couple

1435
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,520
services that they've rolled out. Um one

1436
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,000
being a um

1437
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:25,480
a

1438
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:29,360
um Roth 457 and a Roth 401K. In order

1439
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,480
for our employees to be able to

1440
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,040
participate in those we have to sign a

1441
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:34,520
service agreement basically saying we're

1442
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,960
allowing it. Um also on that there's a

1443
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:39,640
box that we can check that says we allow

1444
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:41,240
any of our part-time employees whether

1445
00:50:41,240 --> 00:50:43,120
they're benefited or not, they can take

1446
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:44,440
money out of their own paycheck and they

1447
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,240
can invest it in URS. So it's just an

1448
00:50:47,240 --> 00:50:48,720
update to that service agreement to add

1449
00:50:48,720 --> 00:50:50,160
those two things.

1450
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:53,320
>> If and I wanted to ask a question on the

1451
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:57,640
401 or the Roth if they have existing

1452
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:01,000
uh with previous employer or some

1453
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:02,815
something along those lines,

1454
00:51:02,815 --> 00:51:03,200
>> [clears throat]

1455
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:06,480
>> do we allow them or is this allowed to

1456
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,040
roll them into that so they can continue

1457
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:09,320
on

1458
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,440
>> that's between the employee and URS but

1459
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,120
yes, they allow any type of

1460
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,360
um savings plan that a

1461
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,160
employee had somewhere else to be rolled

1462
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,760
over into URS. You have to work with URS

1463
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:21,640
to do that.

1464
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:23,200
>> It doesn't have anything to do with us

1465
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,720
unless they're the employees yeah.

1466
00:51:25,720 --> 00:51:29,080
>> allowable is what what I'm asking. Some

1467
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,200
don't allow it to be moved and

1468
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,080
>> Yeah, and they're they they also allow

1469
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,320
loans to be taken out um and we had to

1470
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:36,440
put on there whether we're going to

1471
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,680
allow employees to take loans out which

1472
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:40,640
basically then we just pay back through

1473
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,760
payroll deduction. They just want us as

1474
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:44,960
an employer to um say whether we allow

1475
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,000
that or not and whether we want to do

1476
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,080
the payroll deductions if they do take

1477
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,590
out a loan.

1478
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:53,200
» Which it was checked, right?

1479
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:57,350
>> Yes. Yep, all those things were checked.

1480
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,000
» The pick up if you want to cover that.

1481
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,440
>> the pick up. The next item is

1482
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,440
um so every year URS uh does a

1483
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,800
recalculation of their rates. Um this

1484
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:08,880
year with the public safety,

1485
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,360
uh those those amounts went up for the

1486
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,440
tier two defined benefit. It's just that

1487
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,560
one little section of uh public safety

1488
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:18,440
tier two in the defined benefit plan,

1489
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:20,720
not the not the 401k plan, but the

1490
00:52:20,720 --> 00:52:22,440
defined benefit was basically is the

1491
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,800
pension plan. Um those rates went up. Um

1492
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,520
and we as a city are allowed to decide

1493
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,400
whether we want to pick up that amount

1494
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,400
or not. In the past, we have picked up

1495
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,160
the total amount. And at the mayor's

1496
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:37,360
direction, we uh on the agenda is

1497
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:38,160
um

1498
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:39,960
the option to pick up that entire

1499
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:41,480
amount.

1500
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,040
>> And that is budgeted.

1501
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:48,550
>> Yes, it is budgeted currently.

1502
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,120
» Any questions for Shannon?

1503
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:55,790
>> Is that what um

1504
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:57,760
We can talk about it when we get to the

1505
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,040
budget, but I noticed that there was

1506
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,920
like $30,000 increase from the tentative

1507
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,520
budget to the final budget in

1508
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,720
uh police employee benefits. Is that

1509
00:53:07,720 --> 00:53:10,920
>> No, that was just a missed um somebody's

1510
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,080
benefits were missed. When I got back

1511
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,640
going through that um to update the the

1512
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:17,640
benefits with the reduction of the

1513
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:19,400
savings, I noticed that there was one

1514
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:20,680
person that actually got missed. And

1515
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:22,000
that's about what it costs for one

1516
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:23,920
person for for benefits.

1517
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:25,160
>> Okay. Okay, that makes sense.

1518
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,470
>> Yep.

1519
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:31,150
Anything else on those two items?

1520
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:33,960
» So, Jason, you can cover 11 and 12 or 12

1521
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:35,320
and 13, I mean.

1522
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,480
>> Yeah, so item number [clears throat] 12,

1523
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:38,840
ordinance amending landscaping

1524
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:40,600
requirements. I know I've talked with

1525
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:41,920
Council member City Attorney about this.

1526
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:43,800
He's gotten some concerns from residents

1527
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,080
about this change. Really, this is a

1528
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:51,960
change that that we're obligated to do because state legislation has told

1529
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:55,600
us we cannot uh continue to to do how we

1530
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:57,240
um how we address landscaping

1531
00:53:57,240 --> 00:53:58,480
requirements. Right now, our code

1532
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,480
requires that before you get a CFO, you

1533
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,040
have to have landscaping in.

1534
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:05,880
Uh the state, I think in the name of

1535
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:07,720
affordable housing, doesn't doesn't

1536
00:54:07,720 --> 00:54:09,880
allow us to do that anymore. Uh there's

1537
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:11,520
kind of a a history on this that I've

1538
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:13,440
talked with Jeff about. There was a time

1539
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,120
where the city required landscaping

1540
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:18,240
bonds for for people to to to either put

1541
00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:20,080
the landscaping in or do a landscaping

1542
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,400
bond so so that we had landscaping in

1543
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,360
sooner than later. The reason why there

1544
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:26,640
was such a an emphasis and an effort to

1545
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:28,680
do that was because, you know, we

1546
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:30,320
frequently get concerns of people that

1547
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:31,680
complained about their neighbors who

1548
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:33,520
didn't have landscaping in and it was

1549
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:37,320
generating a lot of dust or weeds or

1550
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:40,480
erosion issues or just plain aesthetics

1551
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:41,640
of of

1552
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,800
someone someone with a yard that's not uh

1553
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:46,440
a landscape.

1554
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:48,120
Our options are really kind of limited

1555
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:50,280
here. Each time the city uh does

1556
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,000
something to address that that lands

1557
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:53,840
those landscaping concerns or lack of

1558
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,040
landscaping concerns, uh the state

1559
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,840
passes legislation that that uh probably

1560
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:00,400
is in reaction to to how we've been

1561
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,800
doing things. Um

1562
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:04,240
there certainly could be a requirement

1563
00:55:04,240 --> 00:55:06,640
to require it uh within a certain time

1564
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:09,080
after CFO, but we don't have really any

1565
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:11,040
leverage to to enforce that. It would

1566
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,200
just be a typical enforcement issue

1567
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,400
where we issue a fine, but again, that

1568
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:16,920
becomes counter

1569
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,240
productive to, you know, for finding

1570
00:55:19,240 --> 00:55:21,200
somebody, then they're losing money to

1571
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,600
actually put into their landscaping. Um

1572
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:25,840
So,

1573
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:27,600
yeah, it's it's the same challenge like

1574
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:29,560
anything else. Like code enforcement is

1575
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:30,920
not an easy thing. It's not something

1576
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:32,640
that's quickly done and is expensive to

1577
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:34,920
enforce. So, our proposal with this

1578
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:36,760
amendment is to just basically conform

1579
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,320
to state code and that is that

1580
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:42,240
we don't require landscaping before COO

1581
00:55:42,240 --> 00:55:45,200
is issued and and I guess from then

1582
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:46,720
we'll just hope that people are

1583
00:55:46,720 --> 00:55:49,680
motivated to get their landscaping in.

1584
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:52,120
>> Jason, if someone has already posted a

1585
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,360
landscaping bond, would they be eligible

1586
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:55,640
to have that reimbursed?

1587
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:57,320
>> I believe so, yep.

1588
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:58,800
I think because we can't require it

1589
00:55:58,800 --> 00:55:59,800
anymore.

1590
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:01,480
>> I would bet we've already released all

1591
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:02,280
of those.

1592
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:07,630
>> Yeah.

1593
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:08,760
And the landscaping bond was the

1594
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:11,560
approach that we took years ago.

1595
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:13,600
Probably now for two or three years or

1596
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:15,880
at least we've we've had this you can't

1597
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:17,800
get a COO until you get landscaping in.

1598
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:19,520
So there's no bond amounts that we've

1599
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:22,200
held on to for for years.

1600
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,560
>> So if if the city had some of those

1601
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:26,720
bonds, they've all been refunded.

1602
00:56:26,720 --> 00:56:27,800
>> It sounds like it, yep.

1603
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:29,840
>> Okay, thank you.

1604
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:32,120
Why did we refund them?

1605
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:33,240
>> Pardon that?

1606
00:56:33,240 --> 00:56:33,920
>> Why did we

1607
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:34,960
>> Cuz the state legislature

1608
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:36,400
>> It's illegal for us to hold them.

1609
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,720
>> Because we can't hold landscaping bonds

1610
00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:39,200
anymore.

1611
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,680
>> Is there a way that you know we can

1612
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:44,520
charge a fee or put a requirement? This

1613
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:47,480
is a concern that I have.

1614
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:49,240
I just went to the Parade of Homes Utah

1615
00:56:49,240 --> 00:56:51,040
Valley and you go into these nice

1616
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:52,840
neighborhoods and you see people that

1617
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:54,600
buy these houses that they totally can't

1618
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:56,360
afford in Mapleton, these really big

1619
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:59,520
houses and for years they just have dirt

1620
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:02,080
and it's disgusting and it's dirty, it

1621
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:04,560
makes everyone else's

1622
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:07,480
cars, their house is dirty from dust.

1623
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,520
Is there a way

1624
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:11,320
I don't really feel comfortable with the

1625
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:14,160
current ordinance but I wonder is there

1626
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,200
a way that we could just charge to their

1627
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:18,800
city bill a fee

1628
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,200
for non-enforcement because

1629
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:23,400
that that that's an easy way to enforce

1630
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:26,640
it because they have to have a city bill if they're

1631
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:28,440
going to be having landscaping they're

1632
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:30,680
almost 100% going to have a city bill.

1633
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:33,320
It'd would great for that to be a way I

1634
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:33,920
think that's

1635
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,520
>> that we ought to ask our legal counsel.

1636
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:38,600
>> I don't know that you could do that.

1637
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:40,240
Because it looks like it's a way of

1638
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:41,920
getting around what the legislature

1639
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:43,840
intended. There are ways that you can

1640
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:47,160
enforce something like nuisance if if

1641
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:49,520
it's the related weeds growing where it

1642
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:51,240
would be grass, you can then enforce

1643
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:52,240
that, but

1644
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:55,360
the remedy is to get rid of the weeds.

1645
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:56,840
>> The problem is is I feel like that's so

1646
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:58,440
hard to enforce though. It's that's how

1647
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:05,080
I'm like The certificate of occupancy is like a really easy to be like, "You

1648
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:06,680
have to do this." And that's why I'm

1649
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:08,920
wondering, is there a way

1650
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:12,280
to say, "Hey, we allow this. You have 1

1651
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:13,720
year."

1652
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,400
And or or or some way for us to force a

1653
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,000
fee collection similar to like how an

1654
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,160
HOA and you know, I'm I'll be crucified

1655
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:23,240
for this. An HOA to like put a lien on a

1656
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:25,560
house. If we if we already have billing,

1657
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:27,160
is there a way for us to charge that fee

1658
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:30,240
to encourage it? Um I just I just know

1659
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:31,880
that when we open the door to something

1660
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:33,920
like this, basically we're saying, "You

1661
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,120
never have to do this."

1662
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,680
Like you never have to. And and I don't

1663
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:40,520
think there's any way to enforce it cost

1664
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:41,520
efficiently.

1665
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:44,040
>> The only way I'm comfortable right now

1666
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:46,560
expressing any opinion on this is that

1667
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:48,240
if it's a nuisance,

1668
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:50,360
you establish that it is a nuisance, we

1669
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:52,720
still have nuisance regulations. And our

1670
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:54,280
those aren't only weeds, they can

1671
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:56,360
contain other things, too. So,

1672
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:58,280
we can look at

1673
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:00,080
how we might

1674
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:01,800
encompass [snorts] some of those things.

1675
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:03,320
But I think as far as just putting a fee

1676
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:04,320
on it,

1677
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:05,200
I think

1678
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:08,240
the state is likely going to say

1679
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:10,240
>> So, so to be clear, this ordinance is

1680
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:12,000
just getting us in line with state code.

1681
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:13,720
We can't be sideways with state code.

1682
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:16,280
And so, like it or don't like it, we

1683
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:19,360
we've we've done it for years and had

1684
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:21,280
those those bonds and it's worked out

1685
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,520
really well, but the reality of it is is

1686
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:24,960
the state has now come down and said,

1687
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,640
"You can't do that." At CO at of all or

1688
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:29,560
building permit or any other you you

1689
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:31,640
can't hold a

1690
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:33,400
C of O because they don't have

1691
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:34,280
landscaping in.

1692
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:34,840
>> And we we have a

1693
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:36,960
>> No, but but like the bigger builders,

1694
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:38,280
they'll put it in because it's part of

1695
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:39,440
our code.

1696
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:40,800
>> No, they'll put it in because they just

1697
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:42,360
want to have landscaping and it's it

1698
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:43,880
brings value to the the home.

1699
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,080
>> Cuz I mean they do the bare minimum.

1700
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:46,320
>> Right.

1701
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,280
>> No, they they do up until exact

1702
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:50,120
requirement in the code is where they do

1703
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:51,800
landscaping and very bare minimum. It's

1704
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:52,520
really bad.

1705
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:53,000
>> Yeah.

1706
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:54,280
>> So the concerns you expressed we

1707
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:56,040
completely agree with and that's why

1708
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:57,760
we've had these different strategies to

1709
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,040
try and and and and get people to put

1710
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:02,120
landscaping in sooner than later, but

1711
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:04,120
Norm's exactly right. This is getting in

1712
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:05,760
line with state code. If there is some

1713
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:07,600
sort of an enforcement

1714
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:10,320
uh strategy that you want to to look at

1715
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:12,320
uh regarding new citizens and stuff, but

1716
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:14,280
again, like I explained

1717
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:16,440
code enforcement is is not always an

1718
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:18,280
easy thing. It's time consuming. It's

1719
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:20,560
expensive and really it's going to be

1720
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:24,680
what's the priority of the council for the you know

1721
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:27,240
the priority to make this you know to

1722
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:30,000
enforce these types of of of issues. Uh

1723
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:31,000
we're happy to do that at your

1724
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:34,800
direction, but again, it's a it's a challenging thing that the

1725
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:36,680
city has tried to to do in different

1726
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:38,760
ways and state legislation state

1727
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:40,880
legislature continues to to not allow

1728
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:42,320
the city to do that way and again, I

1729
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,240
think it's all in the name of of

1730
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:49,840
affordable housing that to have that cost of landscaping up front is

1731
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:53,360
just adding to the cost of housing and they're trying to remove those those

1732
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:54,440
costs

1733
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:55,840
as a barrier for people to get

1734
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:57,800
affordable housing.

1735
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:00,320
>> Okay. Yeah, thanks.

1736
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:02,320
>> Uh item number 13,

1737
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:03,640
uh ordinance amending the zoning map of

1738
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:05,840
Santa Cruz City. This is a specific uh

1739
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:07,720
ordinance proposal proposal by an

1740
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:09,160
applicant. This is not coming from

1741
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:11,280
staff. Let me make that clear.

1742
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:12,960
Uh I think that they might be here

1743
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:16,480
tonight. I've I've encouraged staff to tell them they should be here to

1744
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:18,560
represent their application.

1745
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:20,200
Um but

1746
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:21,840
we'll see if they come. I know that they

1747
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:23,107
were maybe a little bit

1748
01:01:23,107 --> 01:01:23,520
>> [clears throat]

1749
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:24,880
>> discouraged. The Planning Commission

1750
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:27,240
gave a unanimous recommendation not to

1751
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:29,560
approve this zoning proposal.

1752
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:31,280
Essentially, this is a property that's

1753
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:33,800
on Highway 198, just kind of north of

1754
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:36,680
the Apex storage units there.

1755
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:38,920
It's It's an older home.

1756
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:41,440
They're proposing to to change the zone

1757
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:45,040
from residential agriculture to

1758
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:48,160
residential commercial, so R-Ag to R-C.

1759
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:49,440
Um

1760
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:51,272
Their intent in doing this this

1761
01:01:51,272 --> 01:01:56,040
[clears throat] rezone is they want to have a business in there. And right

1762
01:01:56,040 --> 01:02:00,000
now, the business is is a daycare.

1763
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,000
Um I know it that

1764
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:03,440
in the past they've also talked about

1765
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:05,080
doing a stance studio there.

1766
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:06,440
Essentially, what they're trying to do

1767
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:09,160
is is start a business and and be able

1768
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:10,922
to work from I should say

1769
01:02:10,922 --> 01:02:11,880
[clears throat] start a business as a

1770
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:14,200
home occupation with with limited number

1771
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:18,320
of of kids that they can have there and build that up and eventually get

1772
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:20,800
enough revenue that they can turn into

1773
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:23,240
more of a commercial operation. Um I

1774
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:24,720
think the Planning Commission's feelings

1775
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:27,720
was was great, that's we can support you

1776
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:30,280
in that that effort. However,

1777
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:31,840
residential commercial may not be the

1778
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:34,600
best approach. There may be a

1779
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:36,560
C-1 commercial interchange is a better

1780
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:41,280
approach because that's more focused on business. However, if they change to

1781
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:43,200
commercial interchange, home occupations

1782
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:45,120
aren't allowed in that zone. So, their

1783
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:47,560
suggestion was the zone that you have is

1784
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:49,840
R-Ag, you can do home home occupations

1785
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:52,200
and and you should start and do it that

1786
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:53,600
way. Um

1787
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:55,280
Again, they're motivated to try and and

1788
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:57,000
get the business going and and make some

1789
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:59,280
revenue, but I I also,

1790
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:03,520
uh you know, I'm I'm I'm concerned that, uh

1791
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:06,040
they're also not excited about the site

1792
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:07,160
improvements that they would need to

1793
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:09,320
have there for a commercial operation.

1794
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:10,528
They would need to have curb,

1795
01:03:10,528 --> 01:03:11,800
[clears throat] gutter, sidewalk,

1796
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:13,160
parking.

1797
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:14,440
Uh they need to bring the home up to

1798
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:15,680
building code for a commercial

1799
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:17,000
operation.

1800
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:17,600
Um

1801
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:19,120
And that would allow them to have a lot

1802
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:20,720
more kids, but under the home

1803
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:21,880
occupation, I think they can have a

1804
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:25,680
maximum of 16 kids during the day. And

1805
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:27,520
you know, again, that's under a home

1806
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:30,080
occupation and and more meant to to keep

1807
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:32,080
the character of of a a residential

1808
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:33,640
home. Um

1809
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:35,920
but anyways, with all that being said,

1810
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:36,840
um

1811
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:38,680
that's that's, you know, the staff I

1812
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:40,200
think really

1813
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:41,960
uh kind of agrees with with the the

1814
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:43,320
recommendation the planning commission

1815
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:47,560
provided and and that's kind of where things stand with their proposal.

1816
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:48,960
Um do you have any questions about that

1817
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:53,590
particular one?

1818
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:55,840
» Okay, moving on. Number 14 is a

1819
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:58,040
discussion possible action on approval

1820
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:00,640
of the rack tax uh funding from as

1821
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:03,360
recommended by the rack tax committee.

1822
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:05,400
Uh discussion possible action on award

1823
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:07,400
of library FF&E. I do want to make sure

1824
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:09,160
that that we all understand this is only

1825
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:10,480
a portion

1826
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:13,120
of the FF&E. This is not all of it.

1827
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:14,760
The The initial estimate that we had on

1828
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:18,360
FF&E 2 years ago was like 475, 475,000.

1829
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:21,320
So, this is bookshelves. This is just

1830
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:24,160
a start. And And we're And uh kudos to

1831
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:26,160
Jan and Shannon, they're working to

1832
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:27,720
everything from the security gates, the

1833
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:30,480
RFID readers that that will be for folks

1834
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:31,840
coming in and out of the library, and

1835
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:33,800
then also furniture for offices and

1836
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:36,120
chairs and other furniture for sitting

1837
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:37,840
and and reading areas and those types of

1838
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:39,840
things. This is just the start of it,

1839
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:41,360
and so they're just We're just starting

1840
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:43,600
down that road at this point in time.

1841
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:45,040
Happy to answer any questions you have

1842
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:46,960
on those two items.

1843
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:49,160
16, 17, and 18 are just the final

1844
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:53,360
budgets from CDRA, LBA, and SSD. And I

1845
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:54,960
don't think there's been any changes

1846
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:57,600
from the tentative on those budgets.

1847
01:04:57,600 --> 01:04:59,160
There hasn't been. Okay.

1848
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:01,760
I I do know the mayor asked me, sorry,

1849
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:03,640
to to go back and I'll have Shannon come

1850
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:07,880
back up. Um Shannon has has uh in the in

1851
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:09,960
the uh final budget that's before you

1852
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:12,360
tonight, it's a final budget as though

1853
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:14,520
it's adopted and it and I have had some

1854
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:16,840
questions on it. And so, what the mayor

1855
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:20,040
has asked Shannon to do is to go through

1856
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:22,120
the budget and talk about where the

1857
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:23,520
changes have been made. And so, I'm

1858
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:25,520
going to try and format this a little

1859
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:27,040
bit and try and get it so that we can

1860
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:28,720
talk about that.

1861
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:30,320
Uh sorry.

1862
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:31,920
>> Yeah, if you just If you can just show

1863
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:34,440
the projected budget line, that probably

1864
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:36,240
be easier than

1865
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:37,680
>> Is that where you want me?

1866
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:38,880
>> Um yeah, either

1867
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:40,200
>> Oh, I got to do I got to do one more

1868
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:40,560
angle.

1869
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:42,120
>> Yeah.

1870
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:43,120
Actually have to do

1871
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:43,680
>> Okay.

1872
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:44,960
>> Can you guys see those numbers? I can

1873
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:46,200
barely see those.

1874
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:46,840
>> Yeah.

1875
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:48,800
>> Um

1876
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:49,960
Thank you for allowing me the

1877
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:51,320
opportunity to come and review this with

1878
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:54,640
you. Um a majority of the changes uh

1879
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:58,440
came from the decrease in the benefits.

1880
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:00,160
Um and then just redistribution of some

1881
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:02,200
of that funding. Um there was also some

1882
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:03,800
changes in

1883
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:05,200
um

1884
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:07,800
uh removing the property tax uh and then

1885
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:10,200
just redistributing redistributing that

1886
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:13,160
money and then also some small changes

1887
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:16,160
to operational budgets um and

1888
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:17,280
um

1889
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:19,960
to balance and because of trending. So,

1890
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:21,680
going through and just looking at what

1891
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:24,280
trending is, some of the um revenues

1892
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:25,920
were increased a little bit, some of

1893
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:28,320
them were decreased. Um but we'll we'll

1894
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:29,560
go through those really quick.

1895
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:31,040
>> So, Shannon, before you jump on, I want

1896
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:32,920
to If it's in yellow, that means that it

1897
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:35,800
has changed from

1898
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:37,000
the

1899
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:38,520
tentative budget to the final and she'll

1900
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:40,000
explain that. I also want to mention

1901
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:42,720
that it is not a reduction in benefits,

1902
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:44,120
it's a reduction in the cost of the

1903
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:45,371
benefits.

1904
01:06:45,371 --> 01:06:46,040
>> [laughter]

1905
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:47,520
>> As you As we talked about

1906
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:47,680
>> Yes.

1907
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:49,360
>> we we've actually done a lot better with

1908
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:51,440
the with the health care to get better

1909
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:54,040
coverage at basically a even dollar

1910
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:56,680
cost. And so, we had projected before

1911
01:06:56,680 --> 01:07:00,600
the increase in cost of 9.02% or 9.2%.

1912
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:02,240
We cut that back out and that didn't

1913
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:03,920
happen until after the tentative budget

1914
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:05,640
was approved. So, again, kudos to

1915
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:07,840
Shannon and Jason and and myself for

1916
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:09,280
that. So, go ahead, Shannon.

1917
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:10,880
>> Um yeah, if you can I don't know if you

1918
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:12,800
guys can see the little numbers on in

1919
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:14,720
the gray box. Is that hard to see up

1920
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:15,480
there?

1921
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:16,720
>> We can see it all right there.

1922
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:17,800
>> You've got it right there. Oh, good.

1923
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:19,600
Okay. Um [clears throat] I've just gone

1924
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:21,760
through and highlighted anything that

1925
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:23,560
changed from the tentative budget and

1926
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:26,360
over to the side is what it changed by.

1927
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:28,400
So, um if you'll notice the current year

1928
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:32,240
property tax um that went up by 71,000.

1929
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:34,680
The next line was the proposed property

1930
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:36,520
tax increase, that went down to zero.

1931
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:38,200
So, you can see that that was a negative

1932
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:40,440
$67,000.

1933
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:41,840
Um

1934
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:44,000
if you go down, so the difference

1935
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:47,200
between those two uh is the 3,700. Go to

1936
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:49,440
the next section. There's an increase of

1937
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:52,000
$700 just in business licenses and per-

1938
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:54,760
permits based on trending.

1939
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:57,080
Um

1940
01:07:57,080 --> 01:07:58,200
a little bit of an increase to

1941
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:00,600
miscellaneous inspection fees. Arena

1942
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:03,760
rentals had a zero in it. Um

1943
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:06,000
we recently I recently

1944
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:07,440
I didn't know that we had a contract

1945
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:09,720
with the roping club to pay $1,000 a

1946
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:10,522
year

1947
01:08:10,522 --> 01:08:10,880
>> [laughter]

1948
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:12,800
>> until we had to do a grammar request

1949
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:14,760
recently and I found that out. So, I

1950
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:16,359
made the change to the budget to reflect

1951
01:08:16,359 --> 01:08:18,560
that $1,000 coming in for the arena

1952
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:19,799
rental.

1953
01:08:19,799 --> 01:08:21,120
Um

1954
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:23,880
there was just a small $29 change to uh

1955
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:25,640
the number that was inserted for the

1956
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:28,319
Goshen Interlocal Court Agreement.

1957
01:08:28,319 --> 01:08:30,200
Uh for a total in that section of an

1958
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:32,960
additional uh $1,271.

1959
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:33,920
>> In revenue, right?

1960
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:35,279
>> In revenue. Yes, this is These are all

1961
01:08:35,279 --> 01:08:38,000
revenues in the general fund.

1962
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:40,880
Um the next one was um interest

1963
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:42,960
earnings. That is shows a reduction of

1964
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:44,680
$43,000.

1965
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:46,160
Um some of that has to do with some of

1966
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:48,279
the savings that we had with the

1967
01:08:48,279 --> 01:08:50,560
benefits. Um

1968
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:51,920
uh

1969
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:54,440
and also just making sure this is one

1970
01:08:54,440 --> 01:08:56,960
area where um I just feel like we don't

1971
01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:59,120
want to overestimate cuz we just do not

1972
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:01,640
know uh what the market's going to do or

1973
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:02,720
how much money we're going to have in

1974
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:05,160
the bank. Um, so

1975
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:06,920
if if we come in over on this one,

1976
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:08,640
that's that's a a good thing, but I

1977
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:09,960
would hate to come in under and have to

1978
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:13,120
be cutting things. Um, so when we had a

1979
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:14,920
little bit of savings, that that revenue

1980
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:17,040
was reduced.

1981
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:18,200
Um

1982
01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:21,200
>> Did you take into account we're paying

1983
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:24,520
out 4 million, uh, tonight?

1984
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:27,040
That will take a portion of that out and

1985
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:28,200
what those differences

1986
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:28,359
>> Yes.

1987
01:09:28,359 --> 01:09:30,160
Yeah, those are the things we

1988
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:31,480
>> That that's another thing that we look

1989
01:09:31,480 --> 01:09:33,160
at. We look at trending, we look at how

1990
01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:34,600
much money we're paying out, how much

1991
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:36,880
money we have, how much goes into fund

1992
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:38,480
balance or comes out of fund balance.

1993
01:09:38,480 --> 01:09:39,960
All those things Shannon looks at really

1994
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:41,359
closely.

1995
01:09:41,359 --> 01:09:43,400
>> So total overall difference in the

1996
01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:45,920
general fund was, um, a reduction in

1997
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:49,480
revenues of $37,000.

1998
01:09:49,480 --> 01:09:51,400
Um, as far as the expenditures in the

1999
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:52,640
general fund, you can see there's

2000
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:54,640
nothing in legislation, uh, the

2001
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:56,240
legislative budget change, nothing in

2002
01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:57,400
court.

2003
01:09:57,400 --> 01:09:59,760
Um, administrative benefits, uh, you'll

2004
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:02,000
see that reduction because of the cost

2005
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:05,160
savings on the, um, the benefits.

2006
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:05,560
Um

2007
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:07,720
>> Is that just related to health care?

2008
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:08,280
>> Mhm.

2009
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:08,960
>> All right.

2010
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:09,520
>> Yep.

2011
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:12,800
>> And and you know what? That is really

2012
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:16,280
upon you guys that did a bunch of work

2013
01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:18,480
when we were looking at going the other

2014
01:10:18,480 --> 01:10:21,040
way with where we we were going to end

2015
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:23,280
up and that was two or three days of

2016
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:25,520
good hard work to come up with this.

2017
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:26,160
Thank you.

2018
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:26,280
>> Yeah.

2019
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:28,640
>> And and so Councilmember Rosario, your

2020
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:30,560
question, it actually continues on

2021
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:32,200
through the budget because we pay wages

2022
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:34,320
and salaries in so many multiple

2023
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:37,280
different locations. It's it's $32,000

2024
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:39,560
here and $15,000 there. As they

2025
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:41,160
accumulate down at the bottom that are

2026
01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:43,440
underwater and PI and sewer and the

2027
01:10:43,440 --> 01:10:45,280
general fund and the fire department,

2028
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:47,120
all of those will you'll see reductions

2029
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:47,480
in.

2030
01:10:47,480 --> 01:10:48,800
>> Yeah.

2031
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:51,080
>> Again, that's as Shannon indicated.

2032
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:54,240
>> on how the employee is allocated, um, to

2033
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:56,520
which budgets they're allocated to. So.

2034
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:57,160
>> Mhm.

2035
01:10:57,160 --> 01:10:59,760
>> Um, in supplies uh you can see a

2036
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:01,800
reduction of $740.

2037
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:03,600
Um there's some numbers in the budget

2038
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:06,360
that that I use for plug numbers. And so

2039
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:08,080
if I if there's something that needs to

2040
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:09,720
be balanced, usually I'll use a supplies

2041
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:11,360
budget to balance that. So you see a few

2042
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:14,120
little changes in supplies budgets.

2043
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:17,800
Um the team um appreciation and

2044
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:19,680
recognition program, there's a reduction

2045
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:21,360
of $4,500.

2046
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:22,400
Uh

2047
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:24,640
as of right now, I think that program is

2048
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:26,840
going away. We just don't know for sure.

2049
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:28,960
So I So we left a little bit of money in

2050
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:31,040
it just uh to make sure that those

2051
01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:32,800
changes um

2052
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:34,720
didn't affect us negatively.

2053
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:36,560
>> that tarp program is through the trust.

2054
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:39,080
They give us a rebate back by training

2055
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:40,640
our staff and making sure that they have

2056
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:43,560
certain training and and uh

2057
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:45,520
safety mechanisms, those types of

2058
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:47,560
things. So that's what that is.

2059
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:49,880
>> Um the insurance and bonds, I think I

2060
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:52,320
talked to you a little bit about that uh

2061
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:54,640
when we had the um public hearing for

2062
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:57,560
the tentative budget. Um

2063
01:11:57,560 --> 01:11:59,440
that is an increase. We did not get that

2064
01:11:59,440 --> 01:12:00,840
increase until after the tentative

2065
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:03,040
budget was approved. Uh so some of that

2066
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:04,560
savings from the insurance actually went

2067
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:06,640
to to fund that

2068
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:09,200
for a total in that category of um

2069
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:12,960
reducing the expenditures by $12,000.

2070
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:14,120
Oops.

2071
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:18,110
Hang on.

2072
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:20,320
Um the next is engineering department.

2073
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:23,680
There was just a small change uh with

2074
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:26,040
um benefits on that one.

2075
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:27,720
Uh just making sure

2076
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:28,480
uh

2077
01:12:28,480 --> 01:12:30,240
in the uh

2078
01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:32,800
the hiring of a new employee

2079
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:34,760
that we had enough money in there to

2080
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:35,920
cover

2081
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:37,160
we don't know if we're going to hire

2082
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:38,600
somebody that's a two-party, somebody

2083
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:40,440
that's a family. So we just have to put

2084
01:12:40,440 --> 01:12:43,080
the highest rate um that we that we know

2085
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:44,720
of in there.

2086
01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:45,960
Um and then

2087
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:48,240
>> a $3,000 change in engineering.

2088
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:50,040
>> increase in that one.

2089
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:51,520
Government buildings, you can see there

2090
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:54,520
was a $250 increase to uh

2091
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:56,640
part-time staff. That could be just a uh

2092
01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:58,600
change I noticed in

2093
01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:00,800
um a Christmas bonus or something on the

2094
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:03,640
salaries and wages um tab.

2095
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:05,440
Um benefits, you can see a reduction

2096
01:13:05,440 --> 01:13:06,640
there

2097
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:08,840
for the same reason. Utilities, just

2098
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:10,320
based on trending, that was reduced by

2099
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:12,080
$5,000, but the building and grounds

2100
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:15,680
maintenance was increased by $10,000

2101
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:17,960
for a total change in that fund of an

2102
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:21,200
additional $2,375.

2103
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:24,320
Um in the police, that's where uh

2104
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:25,800
Council Member Del Rosario is talking

2105
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:27,520
about an increase of uh

2106
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:29,720
$37,000.

2107
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:30,920
Um

2108
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:32,160
when I got thinking about that, I'm

2109
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:34,520
pretty sure that's the that this one and

2110
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:35,840
the one in the library is the same

2111
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:36,840
thing.

2112
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:38,920
Um we're just getting benefit renewals

2113
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:41,560
in, and I noticed that there's a couple

2114
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:43,600
of employees that were waiving benefits

2115
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:45,440
that are now going to take benefits, and

2116
01:13:45,440 --> 01:13:48,160
so I had to add those back in.

2117
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:49,560
And that's you'll see that in the

2118
01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:50,760
library as well. I think there's a

2119
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:54,280
$20,000 difference in the library, too.

2120
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:56,760
Um so that's the increase to the police

2121
01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:58,800
department.

2122
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:01,720
The streets, um just a reduction in the

2123
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:04,600
benefit costs.

2124
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:06,920
Um nothing in sanitation, building

2125
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:08,840
inspection, just the reduction of the

2126
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:10,760
benefits.

2127
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:13,120
Parks, um the same thing, just a small

2128
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:14,840
increase to part-time salaries and

2129
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:16,016
wages,

2130
01:14:16,016 --> 01:14:16,120
>> [clears throat]

2131
01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:17,480
>> um and then the reduction in the

2132
01:14:17,480 --> 01:14:20,120
benefits cost.

2133
01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:21,880
Cemetery,

2134
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:22,960
um

2135
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:25,800
there was just a I after um Council

2136
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:27,520
Member Del Rosario had asked about if we

2137
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:30,360
had budgeted enough money for the fuel increases, I went back and

2138
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:33,400
reevaluated everything there and did add

2139
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:36,640
just about $500 to well, it is $500 to

2140
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:39,560
the fuel in the cemetery.

2141
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:40,880
Um

2142
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:42,240
planning and zoning is just the benefit

2143
01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:46,560
redu- the cost of benefits reduced.

2144
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:48,320
And then here's where everything kind of

2145
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:51,240
comes together. Without seeing all the

2146
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:52,840
other pictures, maybe we'll come back to

2147
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:53,880
this

2148
01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:55,840
because all this has to do with either

2149
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:57,880
reduction or increases to all the other

2150
01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:01,830
funds.

2151
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:06,320
Let's see. So

2152
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:08,240
Nothing in

2153
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:10,320
the fund 11.

2154
01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:17,320
Capital projects, there is just a change of um

2155
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:18,360
And you'll have to kind of go down the

2156
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:20,440
revenue or the expenditures first to

2157
01:15:20,440 --> 01:15:23,560
make sure the revenues make sense, but

2158
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:25,760
on the security camera and access

2159
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:28,120
control, there was $15,000 budgeted

2160
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:30,480
there for cameras at the Orchard Hills

2161
01:15:30,480 --> 01:15:35,200
Park or the Orchard Cove Park. Um

2162
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:38,040
there was $25,000 added coming from fund

2163
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:39,280
balance. So it didn't affect the general

2164
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:41,760
fund only because we don't know what's

2165
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:42,920
going to be happening with the fitness

2166
01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:45,840
center and security there and having to

2167
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:48,360
change that out. So we stuck some money

2168
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:50,920
in there to just make sure that we had

2169
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:53,360
something and didn't have to go back and

2170
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:55,480
pull funds funds from

2171
01:15:55,480 --> 01:15:56,640
the general fund or somewhere else. And

2172
01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:58,360
there is there is enough money in the in

2173
01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:00,240
the fund balance to accommodate that.

2174
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:04,000
>> In general in our parks, we're having

2175
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:06,640
this to increase cameras and security

2176
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:08,120
just because of vandalism and other

2177
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:09,332
things that are going on. So

2178
01:16:09,332 --> 01:16:09,720
>> [clears throat]

2179
01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:13,000
>> So is that when you say that that is to

2180
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:15,800
account for potentially, right? Just

2181
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:18,200
in case for the Rex building.

2182
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:20,920
>> And or or or any other park that comes

2183
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:23,240
up that that may be you know, we have a

2184
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:25,400
lot of vandalism at the Foothill Park or

2185
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:27,120
where somewhere where we need cameras.

2186
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:28,680
It just seems like the last couple years

2187
01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:30,080
we've come back in a budget amendment

2188
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:31,240
and said, "Hey, we need money for

2189
01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:32,400
cameras because we've got some

2190
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:33,080
vandalism."

2191
01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:35,200
>> And we recently did it with with the

2192
01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:36,840
public works facility. We have cameras

2193
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:38,960
down there now. This current fiscal year

2194
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:40,680
that we are in we did the the safety

2195
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:42,360
building for both cameras and access

2196
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:44,400
control, and we're just finding more and

2197
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:46,960
more that that's a a need. In fact, when

2198
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:49,080
I when I hear from my colleagues in the

2199
01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:51,240
city management field, cameras are their

2200
01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:53,873
number one deterrent of of vandalism

2201
01:16:53,873 --> 01:16:55,120
[clears throat] and damage and other

2202
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:57,640
things to parks and and bathrooms and

2203
01:16:57,640 --> 01:16:58,760
other facilities. So.

2204
01:16:58,760 --> 01:17:00,960
>> And it's also uh trying to get all of

2205
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:03,200
our facilities on the same program

2206
01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:04,440
>> Network, yep. Yep.

2207
01:17:04,440 --> 01:17:06,640
>> having different types of security

2208
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:08,480
systems for one building versus another

2209
01:17:08,480 --> 01:17:08,960
building.

2210
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:09,440
>> Mhm.

2211
01:17:09,440 --> 01:17:10,720
>> Um it just makes it a whole whole lot

2212
01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:13,280
easier if they're all the same. So.

2213
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:15,080
Um that was added in. Again, if we don't

2214
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:16,560
spend it, it just rolls back into fund

2215
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:19,750
balance. So.

2216
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:22,480
Um going on to the capital vehicles and

2217
01:17:22,480 --> 01:17:24,800
equipment, this one you can see a little

2218
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:27,160
note. I found an error in the tentative

2219
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:29,120
budget where this

2220
01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:33,200
um first of all, um the the sale of uh

2221
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:35,120
surplus property, we only had in there

2222
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:36,880
at $25,000.

2223
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:39,760
This year, um we brought in probably

2224
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:42,600
double that, and so that just based on

2225
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:45,520
trending, um was increased to $40,000.

2226
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:49,880
And then I noticed when I changed that, it didn't change in the total. This

2227
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:52,480
cell right here was not added into this

2228
01:17:52,480 --> 01:17:54,080
cell down here.

2229
01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:56,320
So, the changes were made to account for

2230
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:58,160
that, but the total overall didn't

2231
01:17:58,160 --> 01:17:59,440
change.

2232
01:17:59,440 --> 01:18:00,920
So, if you look at the total, the budget

2233
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:03,080
itself did not change. It's just making

2234
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:04,800
the corrections for the increase in the

2235
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:07,200
revenue, and then um

2236
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:12,800
the correction to making sure that the formulas are adding up correctly.

2237
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:14,920
Um

2238
01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:16,760
expenditures,

2239
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:18,560
so you'll see uh

2240
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:21,880
the expenditure for the fire set aside

2241
01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:24,160
is no longer separated into the two line

2242
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:26,120
items for the property tax increase.

2243
01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:28,040
It's just all in the one line item with

2244
01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:29,880
the with the zero in the property tax

2245
01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:33,670
increase.

2246
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:35,560
Computer and technology, just based on

2247
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:37,240
trending, um

2248
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:39,400
and I think the big reason for this is,

2249
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:41,240
um to account for when they come and do

2250
01:18:41,240 --> 01:18:43,880
all of our change out of our computers,

2251
01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:45,800
that the the amount that we pay monthly

2252
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:47,640
doesn't cover the extra work, and so

2253
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:50,480
they bill us uh for those hours. And so,

2254
01:18:50,480 --> 01:18:51,880
this is just increasing that to make

2255
01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:55,360
sure that we've got enough money to pay that. And that just came from the

2256
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:56,680
general fund.

2257
01:18:56,680 --> 01:18:58,000
So, you can see the increase from the

2258
01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:01,200
general fund went up 7,000, and you the

2259
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:03,960
I think Norm here says -7,000.

2260
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:05,680
>> It does. You've got the wrong It should

2261
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:06,920
be positive.

2262
01:19:06,920 --> 01:19:07,720
>> It should be positive.

2263
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:09,280
>> be positive right there. But again,

2264
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:11,640
we're seeing just overall in general

2265
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:14,080
computer prices and and memory and chips

2266
01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:15,960
and everything is just going up.

2267
01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:17,040
Just like everything else that we're

2268
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:18,440
seeing.

2269
01:19:18,440 --> 01:19:22,120
>> Um in the capital repair and replacement

2270
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:22,400
>> Can I

2271
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:23,520
>> Um

2272
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:25,680
>> Can I just suggest, you know, Apple came

2273
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:27,880
out with really affordable computers

2274
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:30,080
that are very, you know, five, six

2275
01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:32,080
hundred dollars. I know that our systems

2276
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:33,360
don't work in that, but I'd like to

2277
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:35,320
point that out is that

2278
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:37,320
you know, more and more companies, even

2279
01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:39,040
schools, are completely switching out

2280
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:40,080
their

2281
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:42,120
computers for that because they're so

2282
01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:44,880
efficient. It's easier and quicker for

2283
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:47,400
employees to be able to do stuff, or

2284
01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:49,480
students, and it's cheaper than most

2285
01:19:49,480 --> 01:19:52,160
PCs. So, just throwing that out there.

2286
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:53,520
>> We'll We'll look into that as we go

2287
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:55,360
through our computer ro- rotation. I can

2288
01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:57,600
tell you that we do have an Apple now.

2289
01:19:57,600 --> 01:19:59,240
>> Yeah.

2290
01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:02,430
>> [laughter]

2291
01:20:02,440 --> 01:20:05,120
» Um going down to capital Oh, where were

2292
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:05,880
we at?

2293
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:07,360
>> Capital repair and replacement.

2294
01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:08,880
>> Capital repair 44 fund.

2295
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:11,840
Um so, that just was a change in um the

2296
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:15,440
way we're paying ourselves back uh for

2297
01:20:15,440 --> 01:20:16,000
uh

2298
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:17,680
in the uh end of the year budget

2299
01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:18,960
amendment, you'll see in that budget

2300
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:20,080
amendment that we're going to be

2301
01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:21,480
borrowing

2302
01:20:21,480 --> 01:20:23,040
from the capital repair and replacement

2303
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:25,680
fund enough money to do the UL the ULS

2304
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:28,120
pipeline project. Um and that'll that'll

2305
01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:30,080
happen at the end of this year for this

2306
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:32,360
fiscal year. This is just a a repayment

2307
01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:35,600
back to ourselves. Um and just what it

2308
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:37,480
was just increased a little bit on what

2309
01:20:37,480 --> 01:20:38,080
um

2310
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:39,280
just figuring those numbers what we

2311
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:44,630
could afford to to do. So.

2312
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:45,920
» Capital roads?

2313
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:47,880
>> Yeah, capital [clears throat] roads. The

2314
01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:52,240
only change here is to the expenditures

2315
01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:54,360
at professional and technical.

2316
01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:56,640
Um an additional 100,000 was added and

2317
01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:58,360
it came from contributions to fund

2318
01:20:58,360 --> 01:20:59,480
balance.

2319
01:20:59,480 --> 01:21:01,200
Um and I'll let

2320
01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:03,280
the mayor take a few seconds and talk to

2321
01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:06,120
you about the why the change here in the

2322
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:08,120
45 account.

2323
01:21:08,120 --> 01:21:09,680
>> Wait a minute. Tell me where we're at.

2324
01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:13,040
>> So this is the capital roads projects that

2325
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:15,680
we put the $100,000 back in or not back

2326
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:17,920
in but didn't get included in the in the

2327
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:19,200
tentative but now is included in the

2328
01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:19,960
final.

2329
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:22,560
>> So this This includes the amount of

2330
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:25,160
money that we pay

2331
01:21:25,160 --> 01:21:28,880
that goes through uh MAG.

2332
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:30,440
And um

2333
01:21:30,440 --> 01:21:32,760
what we we did

2334
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:34,960
4 and 1/2 years ago

2335
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:38,000
uh in meeting with MAG, they lined us up

2336
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:39,720
with um

2337
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:41,320
Dave Stewart

2338
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:44,560
whom we have used who brought to the

2339
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:47,840
city and and this money was channeled

2340
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:51,000
from an employee that we had used up to

2341
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:53,320
that point and

2342
01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:56,520
uh we didn't replace but we were able to

2343
01:21:56,520 --> 01:22:00,200
utilize that same money to do the kind

2344
01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:02,880
of things that we had anticipated doing

2345
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:03,960
then.

2346
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:06,640
And in fact at a better rate.

2347
01:22:06,640 --> 01:22:10,840
And uh this 100,000 is actually 50,000

2348
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:12,840
less than where

2349
01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:15,440
we were supposed to be. So

2350
01:22:15,440 --> 01:22:17,520
with that uh

2351
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:19,480
we have gotten

2352
01:22:19,480 --> 01:22:22,550
um

2353
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:25,000
6 million for a water tank.

2354
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:26,400
>> 4 4 million for water tank.

2355
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:27,960
>> 4 4 million for a water tank.

2356
01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:29,040
>> Almost 2 million for

2357
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:31,960
>> Almost two for meters.

2358
01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:33,040
Uh

2359
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:38,400
EA studies uh at the at about 5 million

2360
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:40,760
and he was

2361
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:42,760
uh has been

2362
01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:46,240
uh helping us get through uh all of this

2363
01:22:46,240 --> 01:22:47,280
with

2364
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:48,640
UDOT.

2365
01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:52,240
Um he was the kingpin to roll this in.

2366
01:22:52,240 --> 01:22:54,600
Um and

2367
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:57,120
I would say this is probably the biggest

2368
01:22:57,120 --> 01:22:59,360
thing that we've been able to invest in

2369
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:00,600
having

2370
01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:03,600
an employee but not an employee to do

2371
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:05,960
all of this work to get us to this point

2372
01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:07,160
with that.

2373
01:23:07,160 --> 01:23:09,080
Now, in the future we're looking at

2374
01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:12,760
trying to roll into other MAG projects

2375
01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:15,960
that we're already rated on and in fact

2376
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:18,760
we can change that rating if we can find

2377
01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:21,720
a way to do additional sources which

2378
01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:24,000
we're working on right now

2379
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:27,040
that could make those million-dollar

2380
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:29,520
trails that come down

2381
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:32,200
uh and connect the town

2382
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:35,080
a viable option without having to go

2383
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:37,200
back to uh

2384
01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:40,400
any other budget money. And and so we're

2385
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:42,520
trying to figure out how to pull that

2386
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:44,640
all together. So,

2387
01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:48,160
utilization of him in that uh

2388
01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:52,160
professional service through MAG

2389
01:23:52,160 --> 01:23:54,840
especially over the last 5 years has

2390
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:56,520
brought to us

2391
01:23:56,520 --> 01:23:57,960
a lot.

2392
01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:00,680
I don't know how else we could do it and

2393
01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:02,040
uh

2394
01:24:02,040 --> 01:24:05,320
I was ready to just say, "Hey, we don't

2395
01:24:05,320 --> 01:24:07,240
need this again." but

2396
01:24:07,240 --> 01:24:08,680
you know what? It can make a big

2397
01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:10,920
difference this year. Maybe in the

2398
01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:12,320
future

2399
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:14,720
we need to look at changing that.

2400
01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:18,080
Um it's same thing with Lincoln shirts.

2401
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:18,800
Um

2402
01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:22,360
they work mostly with state grants and

2403
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:27,800
theirs are the grants that pull through

2404
01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:28,920
getting

2405
01:24:28,920 --> 01:24:30,960
skate park built

2406
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:32,720
and without them

2407
01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:34,400
we don't get that.

2408
01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:36,160
They they are the guys that have been

2409
01:24:36,160 --> 01:24:38,400
able to bring us

2410
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:40,760
pit toilet in

2411
01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:42,800
the bike park

2412
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:44,760
>> bike skills park half half of that was

2413
01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:45,480
paid for with that

2414
01:24:45,480 --> 01:24:49,680
>> and so there there are a lot of values

2415
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:52,120
in doing that kind of things and I just

2416
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:53,760
wanted to

2417
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:56,040
take a couple of minutes and explain it

2418
01:24:56,040 --> 01:24:59,240
so that we can you can look at it and go

2419
01:24:59,240 --> 01:25:01,160
yeah we've invested

2420
01:25:01,160 --> 01:25:02,960
few hundred thousand dollars but we've

2421
01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:06,080
got millions out of this and

2422
01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:08,360
that's what we're trying to do with the

2423
01:25:08,360 --> 01:25:10,800
way that you work the system.

2424
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:13,000
Okay, does that explain it? Did I miss

2425
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:14,480
anything?

2426
01:25:14,480 --> 01:25:15,120
>> No.

2427
01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:16,560
>> Who who are we actually paying with

2428
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:17,200
that?

2429
01:25:17,200 --> 01:25:17,520
>> Pardon?

2430
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:20,000
>> This is MAG. It's our lobbying services.

2431
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:21,200
>> MAG yep

2432
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:23,760
Mountain Land Association of Government.

2433
01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:25,400
>> Yeah so that line Adam is just adding

2434
01:25:25,400 --> 01:25:26,160
that back in.

2435
01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:28,000
>> Okay.

2436
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:28,840
I'm going to really

2437
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:30,720
>> there was enough money in the roads fund

2438
01:25:30,720 --> 01:25:31,800
to actually just pull it from fund

2439
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:33,720
balance there too so it didn't affect

2440
01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:35,640
the general fund or anything.

2441
01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:37,400
I'm going to quickly go through this cuz

2442
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:40,720
we have 5 minutes storm drain there's no

2443
01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:43,160
>> What water fund there was $3,300 just

2444
01:25:43,160 --> 01:25:43,800
increase it.

2445
01:25:43,800 --> 01:25:45,720
>> Yeah the one thing and anything in green

2446
01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:47,480
right here

2447
01:25:47,480 --> 01:25:50,120
these are if if the council decides that

2448
01:25:50,120 --> 01:25:51,040
they want to move forward with this

2449
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:53,040
final budget there's three things in the

2450
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:54,920
tentative budget that have to change

2451
01:25:54,920 --> 01:25:57,200
that that I found mistakes. This one's

2452
01:25:57,200 --> 01:25:59,400
just a rounding error if you'll notice

2453
01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:02,040
the total expenditures are a dollar more

2454
01:26:02,040 --> 01:26:03,880
or revenues are total a dollar more than

2455
01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:05,600
the total expenditures even though it

2456
01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:07,680
says zero. I just need to make it's just

2457
01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:09,080
from rounding and I just need to make a

2458
01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:11,280
correction to that so those two things

2459
01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:12,600
are the same.

2460
01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:14,760
In water

2461
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:16,160
um

2462
01:26:16,160 --> 01:26:17,480
you can see

2463
01:26:17,480 --> 01:26:18,200
>> benefits

2464
01:26:18,200 --> 01:26:20,000
>> uh benefits and then because of that

2465
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:21,480
then there's extra money going to fund

2466
01:26:21,480 --> 01:26:23,320
balance.

2467
01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:25,520
Um so the total overall changes were

2468
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:27,240
$3,300.

2469
01:26:27,240 --> 01:26:28,840
In the sewer fund that's where another

2470
01:26:28,840 --> 01:26:31,000
correction needs to be made. So in the

2471
01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:34,240
sewer um impact fee fund the transfer

2472
01:26:34,240 --> 01:26:37,600
going into the sewer for the um capital

2473
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:39,600
improvements to the WRF

2474
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:41,920
it shows a different amount than

2475
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:44,280
um usually I have those tied by formula.

2476
01:26:44,280 --> 01:26:46,840
Somehow that formula got taken out. So

2477
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:48,040
um

2478
01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:49,400
it this just needs to be corrected to

2479
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:51,840
that that uh the same amount as it

2480
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:55,640
that's in the sewer impact fee fund.

2481
01:26:55,640 --> 01:26:56,880
Um

2482
01:26:56,880 --> 01:26:58,240
and then of course then we'll just

2483
01:26:58,240 --> 01:26:59,840
adjust the contributions from fund

2484
01:26:59,840 --> 01:27:01,360
balance.

2485
01:27:01,360 --> 01:27:02,840
And that contribution from fund balance

2486
01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:04,920
is actually the bond that we took out

2487
01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:08,720
for the the sewer the $3.1 million bond.

2488
01:27:08,720 --> 01:27:11,640
We got total revenues in this year.

2489
01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:13,600
We'll just use those that contribution

2490
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:15,120
from fund balance is actually the use of

2491
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:16,840
those bond funds.

2492
01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:19,040
So.

2493
01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:20,680
Um

2494
01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:23,520
in the sewer you'll see

2495
01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:25,880
just the decrease in the benefit cost,

2496
01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:28,400
pressurized irrigation,

2497
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:31,910
um

2498
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:32,840
there was just a little bit of a

2499
01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:35,840
decrease in the um

2500
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:39,160
uh transfers from the PI impact fee.

2501
01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:41,680
Um and then

2502
01:27:41,680 --> 01:27:43,720
the benefit cost

2503
01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:45,760
and then increase to the contribution to

2504
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:48,830
fund balance.

2505
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:50,520
For a total of $1,500 with the uh

2506
01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:51,960
changes in the

2507
01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:55,920
uh 54 PI fund nothing in the 55.

2508
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:57,760
There's that sewer impact fee change

2509
01:27:57,760 --> 01:27:59,320
that I was talking about. This number

2510
01:27:59,320 --> 01:28:00,800
doesn't need to be changed just the one

2511
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:02,960
in the 52 the sewer fund needs to match

2512
01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:04,120
it.

2513
01:28:04,120 --> 01:28:07,000
Um so if there is a an approval of the

2514
01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:09,840
final budget tonight there's just uh one

2515
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:12,000
other thing that needs to be changed and

2516
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:13,160
we'll get down to the library really

2517
01:28:13,160 --> 01:28:15,000
quick.

2518
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:16,960
So, I would just if if it is approved,

2519
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:19,680
just recommend just um the changes that

2520
01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:21,080
we discussed, the three changes that we

2521
01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:23,000
discussed.

2522
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:25,360
Let's see. Sorry it's taking me to get

2523
01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:26,240
down there. Nothing to the

2524
01:28:26,240 --> 01:28:28,400
transportation.

2525
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:30,880
So, PI impact fees

2526
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:32,320
um

2527
01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:33,320
a little bit of an increase to the

2528
01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:34,480
interest earnings just based on

2529
01:28:34,480 --> 01:28:35,880
trending.

2530
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:38,790
Um

2531
01:28:38,800 --> 01:28:42,080
small changes there.

2532
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:44,600
That change to the capital the the

2533
01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:45,800
um

2534
01:28:45,800 --> 01:28:48,560
the revenue coming back in for the um

2535
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:50,320
repayment from capital repair and

2536
01:28:50,320 --> 01:28:52,640
replacement.

2537
01:28:52,640 --> 01:28:54,880
So, that totaled to about $5,500

2538
01:28:54,880 --> 01:28:58,080
increase in that fund.

2539
01:28:58,080 --> 01:29:00,840
61 fund, there is there were some

2540
01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:02,760
changes, but it was just all just

2541
01:29:02,760 --> 01:29:06,200
redistributed. So, the the benefit um

2542
01:29:06,200 --> 01:29:07,800
savings were just redistributed within

2543
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:09,480
that fund. So, there's no change to that

2544
01:29:09,480 --> 01:29:12,150
total.

2545
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:16,120
Um small changes to

2546
01:29:16,120 --> 01:29:23,790
the 62 account, um minus $300.

2547
01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:25,160
Let's see.

2548
01:29:25,160 --> 01:29:26,680
>> Museum.

2549
01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:29,520
nothing. Royal Oh, let's see.

2550
01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:31,320
Museum.

2551
01:29:31,320 --> 01:29:34,040
So, you'll see the RAP tax, the $155,000

2552
01:29:34,040 --> 01:29:36,440
coming from fund balance

2553
01:29:36,440 --> 01:29:39,480
in the 66 account. So, the additional

2554
01:29:39,480 --> 01:29:40,720
revenues there and then the additional

2555
01:29:40,720 --> 01:29:43,040
expenditures.

2556
01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:45,080
>> So, that's the carryover. The 155 is the

2557
01:29:45,080 --> 01:29:48,840
carryover to to be able to handle the funds that are in there this year

2558
01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:50,480
that we won't use. Sorry, Shayna.

2559
01:29:50,480 --> 01:29:52,720
>> Uh 67

2560
01:29:52,720 --> 01:29:54,560
um we were notified that we received a

2561
01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:57,680
$14,000 grant. Um and then

2562
01:29:57,680 --> 01:29:59,880
um just noticing that uh some of the

2563
01:29:59,880 --> 01:30:01,200
grant funding was in miscellaneous

2564
01:30:01,200 --> 01:30:02,880
revenue versus intergovernmental

2565
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:05,520
revenue. So, I created a a a a new

2566
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:07,480
category for intergovernmental revenue

2567
01:30:07,480 --> 01:30:09,680
and just moved all those grant fundings

2568
01:30:09,680 --> 01:30:12,360
to that that category.

2569
01:30:12,360 --> 01:30:15,280
So, you might see a little bit of a the dollar amounts didn't change other

2570
01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:17,800
than the addition of that $14,000.

2571
01:30:17,800 --> 01:30:21,360
And then you'll see the $14,000 in the

2572
01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:22,480
um

2573
01:30:22,480 --> 01:30:25,480
in the expenses well. The reduction in

2574
01:30:25,480 --> 01:30:27,200
transfers from the general fund come

2575
01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:29,400
because of the reduction of the benefits

2576
01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:30,560
cost.

2577
01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:32,520
So, we didn't need to transfer as much

2578
01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:34,000
from the general fund.

2579
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:36,240
Uh so, that's why you see a reduction in

2580
01:30:36,240 --> 01:30:38,120
the the transfer from the general fund

2581
01:30:38,120 --> 01:30:40,120
there.

2582
01:30:40,120 --> 01:30:41,880
Um

2583
01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:45,470
classes

2584
01:30:45,480 --> 01:30:49,400
Uh overall reduction of $2,500, which is

2585
01:30:49,400 --> 01:30:51,520
basically the reduction in the benefit

2586
01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:54,310
cost.

2587
01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:56,640
And then library, this is where you'll

2588
01:30:56,640 --> 01:30:58,040
see

2589
01:30:58,040 --> 01:30:59,440
I missed something on the tentative

2590
01:30:59,440 --> 01:31:01,360
budget right here in green. I didn't

2591
01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:04,120
zero out this proposed property tax, the

2592
01:31:04,120 --> 01:31:06,800
separated benefits and wages for the

2593
01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:08,657
proposed property tax increase. That

2594
01:31:08,657 --> 01:31:09,720
[clears throat] needs to be zeroed out

2595
01:31:09,720 --> 01:31:11,120
in the final budget. So, that's one of

2596
01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:12,600
the that's one of the three changes that

2597
01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:14,680
need to be made. Um but those would just

2598
01:31:14,680 --> 01:31:17,840
be added up here to the part-time

2599
01:31:17,840 --> 01:31:19,520
salaries and benefits and then also to

2600
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:21,680
the benefit line item. So,

2601
01:31:21,680 --> 01:31:23,880
it wouldn't be adding anything

2602
01:31:23,880 --> 01:31:25,200
>> Um it's just redistributing.

2603
01:31:25,200 --> 01:31:27,440
>> It's redistributing those two uh line

2604
01:31:27,440 --> 01:31:29,080
items right there. But you can see that

2605
01:31:29,080 --> 01:31:31,360
increase to the benefits line item.

2606
01:31:31,360 --> 01:31:34,200
So, uh that is uh because there was a

2607
01:31:34,200 --> 01:31:35,880
library staff that was waiving her

2608
01:31:35,880 --> 01:31:37,200
benefits, it's now going to take her

2609
01:31:37,200 --> 01:31:38,560
benefits. So, we had to account for

2610
01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:40,520
that.

2611
01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:48,310
Um and then seniors

2612
01:31:48,320 --> 01:31:49,640
A just a small change to the

2613
01:31:49,640 --> 01:31:51,480
contribution from fund balance to

2614
01:31:51,480 --> 01:31:54,520
account for an increase that um just

2615
01:31:54,520 --> 01:31:57,200
based on trending that they may need in

2616
01:31:57,200 --> 01:31:59,000
um

2617
01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:00,680
Oh, I think I have the wrong wrong line

2618
01:32:00,680 --> 01:32:03,560
item. It should go down here. That 2274

2619
01:32:03,560 --> 01:32:07,040
should go to the food.

2620
01:32:07,040 --> 01:32:09,360
There was an increase to the food there.

2621
01:32:09,360 --> 01:32:12,360
And then the fire,

2622
01:32:12,360 --> 01:32:15,520
you'll see the same thing here with um

2623
01:32:15,520 --> 01:32:17,960
reduction of benefits, and then where we

2624
01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:19,920
brought the money in from the general

2625
01:32:19,920 --> 01:32:21,040
fund

2626
01:32:21,040 --> 01:32:23,120
into this fund, and then back into

2627
01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:25,400
capital projects. You saw that we took

2628
01:32:25,400 --> 01:32:29,440
it out of the the um

2629
01:32:29,440 --> 01:32:30,920
the

2630
01:32:30,920 --> 01:32:33,120
last line there, the proposed property

2631
01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:34,960
tax increase transfer to capital

2632
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:36,360
vehicles.

2633
01:32:36,360 --> 01:32:37,920
So.

2634
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:39,240
Um

2635
01:32:39,240 --> 01:32:39,640
>> Okay.

2636
01:32:39,640 --> 01:32:41,480
>> Any questions? I guess if you have

2637
01:32:41,480 --> 01:32:43,520
questions, maybe you can ask in the

2638
01:32:43,520 --> 01:32:44,760
general meeting cuz I think we're out of

2639
01:32:44,760 --> 01:32:46,254
time.

2640
01:32:46,254 --> 01:32:46,720
>> [laughter]

2641
01:32:46,720 --> 01:32:48,760
>> That's great. Thank

2642
01:32:48,760 --> 01:32:51,200
No, thank you. Went through it all very

2643
01:32:51,200 --> 01:32:52,280
well.

2644
01:32:52,280 --> 01:32:53,640
Um

2645
01:32:53,640 --> 01:32:56,560
I think that pretty much sets us up, but

2646
01:32:56,560 --> 01:32:58,280
I would like to just take two or three

2647
01:32:58,280 --> 01:33:00,760
minutes before we get going. So, we'll

2648
01:33:00,760 --> 01:33:03,520
start our uh

2649
01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:07,040
main meeting at uh like 7:05, something

2650
01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:09,480
like that. So, I'd entertain a motion to

2651
01:33:09,480 --> 01:33:10,840
close this work session.

2652
01:33:10,840 --> 01:33:11,360
>> So moved.

2653
01:33:11,360 --> 01:33:11,960
>> Seconded.

2654
01:33:11,960 --> 01:33:13,760
>> Moved and seconded. All in favor?

2655
01:33:13,760 --> 01:33:14,760
>> Aye.

2656
01:33:14,760 --> 01:33:17,280
>> Closed.