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Did you make sure that my phone had a

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previous DRC meeting

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regular invite?

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>> I think that invite came from you

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>> Okay. Thank you.

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July 28th. We'll get the the DRC meeting

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started. Um it is 10:00 a.m.

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So, with that, we'll jump right into the

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>> [clears throat]

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>> The first

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is the first four items on the agenda

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uh the individual phases for the Bella

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Vista subdivision.

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this is a development that is located on

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the west side of 400 East. Um

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located on basically an old orchard

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has been north of the fruit processing plant and the cold

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storage that's over on 4th East. So,

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um the proposed on this, they are

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requesting final approval for all four

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uh the development. Um so, we will need

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to act individually

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um on each of these these phases.

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my after reviewing these and looking at

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them, I think we'll do the cuz a lot of

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the comments that are related to the

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first phase

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do apply to the other three phases. Um

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after reviewing the redline

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[clears throat] comments that are

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already on here. So, I think in in

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interest of of time

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and as [snorts] I said, most of these

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comments will be provided to the

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applicant um after the meeting um

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so we can go over specific items as

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needed, but I think we can cover most of

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in relationship to

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as we go

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all the comments will apply. So

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with that just to kind of give

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a brief kind of breakdown of it

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there are four phases associated. Let me

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bring this one up cuz I think it might

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be quicker and easier to see that.

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north side of it. If you recall a couple

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there was a request to break phase one

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remember correctly as it was entitled um

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was these eight lots on this

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intersection around this this area. The

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remaining phase 1A

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it was the remaining of those. That was

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an applicant that did go through and was

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approved by the DRC.

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which they are able to do

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um there just have to be uh a

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notification

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um provided uh to the planning

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commission uh later on and um

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notice on there they can do that without

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any any issue procedurally with the DRC

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or with final approval. So

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um just kind of a a heads up on that

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um associated with that. There are some

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infrastructure heavier infrastructure

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lifts that would need to happen with

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thoughts, comments, or questions related

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gone through all all the phases and then

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addresses and tried to match what they

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had best I could, but also making sure

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it matched our grid best as possible.

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there are separate sheets for each of

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those addressing lists.

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Martin, do you have anything?

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>> Um some of mine may have may apply to

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the written notice that you discussed

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have uh preliminary uh still

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no notary blocks

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Remove city council.

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council on all the plats, which city

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council's no longer uh

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do no longer sign subdivision plats.

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planning commission.

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about 400 400 East and so that is on the

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plan, there is an anticipated trail that

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approximately this location.

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brought up concern about the 95 ft not

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engineering also, but uh my my biggest

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concern with this is is probably phase

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a plan submitted on how they're going to

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very good shape and we'd like to

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participate as we move forward with

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these phases and uh probably and and

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overlay that road so that we have a good

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kind of keep that in mind. We'll we'll

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pretty consistent with the plat. Again,

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signature block. Um double closures need

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to be double-checked on all the

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subdivision. Make sure boundary

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descriptions close appropriately as well

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uh note clean up. A lot of them call

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preliminary plat when this is actually

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closures that need to be uh reworked on

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the parcels.

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addressed before it's uh recorded.

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that double frontage lots

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are discouraged. Um but again,

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everything that backs on the 400 East

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is there. Um does have double frontage.

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um no access on there, but as discussed

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>> Maybe a question for for Morgan, and I

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know Askins in the audience, did we do

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we look at that code and see if that's a

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requirement? Now, I I know we talked

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about potentially amendment that

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happened in the past.

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that there was maybe some amendment in

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there to provide the fence details, but

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it's understood what that fence is going

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to be, and and whether it's a

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requirement or not. I mean,

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if if we don't if it's not a

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requirement, then it comes into play

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whether we allow double frontage lots. I

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think we've we've kind of agreed that a

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double frontage lot will work there if

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there's a fence that that creates that

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barrier between

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a relatively busier road.

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>> Yep.

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>> Or what will be a little busier road in

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those lots.

301
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>> It is It is a busy road now. It's a one

302
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of the main haul routes for semi trucks.

303
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>> Okay. I just just wondered if if there

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was an update on on on that particular

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point.

306
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>> Yeah, we'll make sure that comments on

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there before the the uh, is updated

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before the red lines get sent out.

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>> We're we're happy to go through our code

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and see if there's a any fence

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requirements up Anything else with

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double [cough] frontage lots.

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>> Okay.

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Um,

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couple of things here just for

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legibility. Because the plan set is

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specific for phase one. Um,

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we need to make sure that we kind of

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zoom in, make it little more easier to

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understand for both staff and the

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contractor when they come out to to

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start building the the subdivision.

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Um,

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couple of notes are pretty standard

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throughout regarding easements that are

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needed for turnarounds. There's one

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located here in phase one that's on

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uh Nibel School District property for

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the east end of Royal Land Drive.

330
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There's another one

331
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located [clears throat] down on the

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phase three

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uh that includes uh turnaround on private property

334
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um for the end of I can't remember what

335
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the name of the street is, but right in

336
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this location.

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There's a uh turnaround that will need

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to be there. And those because they're

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not within the subdivision boundaries,

340
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separate

341
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uh written easements need to be recorded

342
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on each of those properties.

343
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Uh similar comment as before.

344
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I'm going to move that.

345
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Uh again, just note for construction

346
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valves, again, that's similar comment to

347
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the rest of them.

348
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Uh couple notes just on this on the

349
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sewer. If it's

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if these sewer lines are installed and

351
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constructed uh with phase one before

352
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these two phases are constructed, we

353
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will need separate

354
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uh recordable easements for the sewer

355
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line the sewer mains that runs down

356
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through there.

357
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I have one other main note to some of

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the line types used in the colors make

359
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legibility the plans difficult. So,

360
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we'll need to update the the color

361
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scheme um for those

362
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for these plans.

363
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Let's see.

364
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Uh storm water comments,

365
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um

366
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>> [snorts]

367
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>> one thing that's with the proposed storm

368
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water

369
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uh

370
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retention basins that are infiltration

371
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galleries that are being installed is

372
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that many of them do span over

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driveways.

374
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And so a detail will need to be provided

375
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on how what structure is needed on top

376
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of those to prevent failure. Like when a

377
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cement truck goes drives over them,

378
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we've had that we've experienced that in

379
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other developments where this type of

380
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methodology was used and those

381
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uh

382
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collapsed as a part of that.

383
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Also need to be taken into consideration

384
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utility crossings across each one of

385
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those uh infiltration galleries.

386
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There will be PI and sewer that cross

387
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over them.

388
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>> Um we when you get a minute if um we um

389
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we were able to find the the code

390
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section on the double frontage lots.

391
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>> Okay. So when you're ready.

392
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Okay.

393
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Um we'll come back to that in just I

394
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think we've gone through most of them.

395
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Again,

396
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if you want to go through that Morgan

397
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real quick while I

398
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>> Yeah, no problem. Yeah, so the code

399
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requires that double frontage lots that

400
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there be

401
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So when double frontage lots occur on

402
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traffic arterials,

403
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um masonry style fencing shall be

404
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required along one of the frontages as

405
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determined by the DRC. Fencing will be a

406
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subdivision improvement required prior

407
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to issuance of a building permit.

408
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And so that's something that we can um

409
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add as a condition on that road.

410
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» Okay. Um

411
00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:04,720
I believe that was I think if I remember

412
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correctly, we had one more.

413
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Again with the storm drain,

414
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um making sure we have

415
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uh appropriate

416
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cleanout related to our meets our

417
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specifications.

418
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Um

419
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Let's see. I think phase two is kind of

420
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in the same boat. I don't know if it's

421
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we need to go over each one of those

422
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line items cuz again, very a lot of the

423
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same comments are associated with this

424
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phase as with phase one.

425
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Phase three, uh this is kind of to

426
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um

427
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your [snorts] point, Jason. This is

428
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where the sewer line

429
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gets Currently, we have a sewer line

430
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extends from 4th East and then flows

431
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roughly back of these lots and then cuts

432
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over to the west and and connects into

433
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200 East.

434
00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:03,800
Um

435
00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,920
that is going to be realigned and moved

436
00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,360
um into the roadway until it connects

437
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within the roadway and then they'll the

438
00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,200
line will follow the same

439
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alignment as as current.

440
00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:17,680
So, that's the one

441
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that line takes

442
00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:23,080
all most of the flows from Main Street

443
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north on the east side of of I-15.

444
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So, that is a very full and busy line.

445
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Bypass pumping may be needed at the

446
00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,480
tie-in to to get that go through.

447
00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:36,200
>> Yeah, I I just don't see how how they're

448
00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:37,680
going to do it without doing some type

449
00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:39,160
of bypass pumping.

450
00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:40,120
>> Correct. For a minute.

451
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>> And with the flow that we're having

452
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through there as well. So,

453
00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:48,000
Um one comment uh that fire had and

454
00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,160
wanted to to bring up and to kind of

455
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discuss.

456
00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:53,560
Um

457
00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:56,280
Their concern was that

458
00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,640
with the current accesses you'd have one

459
00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:02,920
access here at uh 610 North, then

460
00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:04,839
another 530.

461
00:17:04,839 --> 00:17:06,439
Um

462
00:17:06,439 --> 00:17:10,120
But, also if you include

463
00:17:10,120 --> 00:17:12,520
all of these phases within phase two as

464
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well, that could be potentially only

465
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point of ingress and egress for those.

466
00:17:17,839 --> 00:17:20,199
Now, our city code

467
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does state that

468
00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:24,280
two points of connection are what

469
00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,760
required for for development. And to And

470
00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,000
phase three does technically meet that

471
00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:31,120
with

472
00:17:31,120 --> 00:17:33,240
510 North here.

473
00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:34,480
Sorry, 5

474
00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,440
530 North, apologize. And 610 North,

475
00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:39,840
they would have those two points.

476
00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:40,920
Um

477
00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,040
and then the another point of access

478
00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:45,200
would be the continuation up on this

479
00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:49,680
road and then onto 770 North. Um but

480
00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:51,560
that was their concern that they'd

481
00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:54,480
expressed the desire to potentially put

482
00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,080
some sort of

483
00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:57,160
um

484
00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,760
access over to 4th East at the end of

485
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this road here, the extension of 530

486
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North as it may through there.

487
00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:08,320
Um just to help with with any of that.

488
00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:09,880
If phase four and phase three are

489
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constructed together, then

490
00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:13,320
that wouldn't necessarily need to be an

491
00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:14,600
issue.

492
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And my understanding is that may be a

493
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process that the developer could go

494
00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,320
through, but if phase three itself was

495
00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:22,120
built, that would be something [snorts]

496
00:18:22,120 --> 00:18:23,720
that they would the fire department

497
00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:28,480
would request just to help with the emergency access to the site.

498
00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:31,320
>> John, in addition to that, for from the

499
00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:34,200
police perspective, uh

500
00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,480
when they do construct that when they do

501
00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:37,960
phase three, if they would put that

502
00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:39,040
through, it would really help with

503
00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,800
construction traffic for phase four.

504
00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:43,360
If they would put that in first, so not

505
00:18:43,360 --> 00:18:44,800
everybody's coming down 200 East for

506
00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:45,760
construction.

507
00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,280
>> That's a an excellent point. Thank you.

508
00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:50,360
So, okay, we'll add that comment onto

509
00:18:50,360 --> 00:18:51,280
there.

510
00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:55,990
Before we send that out.

511
00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,880
Um let's see.

512
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I believe Again, the rest of the

513
00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,120
comments are are the same. I'll run

514
00:19:03,120 --> 00:19:07,830
through these real quick.

515
00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:09,680
Yeah, there there is still quite a bit

516
00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:11,440
of clean up and everything needed for

517
00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:14,280
each of these these plats. As you've

518
00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:22,280
seen, there's been comments on all of the plats relating to front edge enclosures related to

519
00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:27,270
that. So.

520
00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,600
Um yeah, the same comment there from

521
00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:36,630
fire.

522
00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:38,560
Yeah, clean up on

523
00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:39,920
plans. There

524
00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:43,680
appears to be a a block that

525
00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:45,400
from that was still printed with

526
00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:52,310
AutoCAD, so that needs to be cleaned up.

527
00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,880
Construction valve comments.

528
00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,320
Um

529
00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:58,880
comments on sewer line easement, the

530
00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:03,110
existing one that's there.

531
00:20:03,120 --> 00:20:05,080
And again, comments on the infiltration

532
00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:06,760
galleries, still the same ones through

533
00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:16,390
that.

534
00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:17,960
And that was just on that one, just

535
00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,160
clean up

536
00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:26,164
on that plan set.

537
00:20:26,174 --> 00:20:30,150
» [cough]

538
00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:33,379
» Then for phase four,

539
00:20:33,379 --> 00:20:34,200
>> [snorts]

540
00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:40,870
>> again, similar comments.

541
00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:42,560
Yeah, regarding signatures, who's on

542
00:20:42,560 --> 00:21:12,750
there, closure comments.

543
00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,120
» It's a street light comment, basically

544
00:21:15,120 --> 00:21:16,840
uh discussion to alternate sides of the

545
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:18,320
street lights are on as you go down the

546
00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:28,550
roads.

547
00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,280
And the rest are details, so

548
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:32,480
I believe that's all of them.

549
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,760
>> Also, one other comment is with the

550
00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:36,480
addressing, there's a couple of streets

551
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,840
that were mislabeled. And then one that

552
00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:40,840
I added up happened to change because of

553
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:42,080
the numbering, so

554
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:42,440
>> Okay.

555
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:44,200
>> Those are also on that addressing sheet.

556
00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:45,000
>> addressing sheet, yeah.

557
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,870
>> Okay, thank you.

558
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,520
Okay, any other comments, thoughts, or

559
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:54,120
questions on these on these phases of

560
00:21:54,120 --> 00:22:00,590
the Bella Vista development?

561
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,000
Seeing none, uh I would look for for a

562
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,360
motion, again, each uh there will need

563
00:22:06,360 --> 00:22:08,600
to be separate motions

564
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:09,160
uh

565
00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,800
for all four phases of this.

566
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,120
>> John, am I am I able to uh

567
00:22:14,120 --> 00:22:14,640
>> Yeah, go ahead.

568
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:15,800
>> address one thing before you make a

569
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:16,360
motion?

570
00:22:16,360 --> 00:22:17,960
>> Go ahead, Andy.

571
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:19,120
>> All right, thanks. Yeah, this is Andy

572
00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:21,320
Flamm, applicant. Um

573
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:22,720
thank you guys for catching all the

574
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,200
mistakes in there. There's quite a few

575
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,280
things that need to be double-checked

576
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,160
and uh fixed, so appreciate you calling

577
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,560
all those out. We'll We'll get on those.

578
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,200
Um one

579
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,160
the only question I really had, well, I

580
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,920
guess I have two. One, the school

581
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:38,200
the turnaround easement for the school

582
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,440
district, I believe that's in the city's

583
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,480
possession. I haven't received

584
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,040
confirmation from Megan Wilson if

585
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:46,560
that was recorded or not, but I believe

586
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:48,000
she has that.

587
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:49,760
And then the other one to the south on

588
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:51,680
uh Kim Stratton's property, I believe

589
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,520
that one's already recorded.

590
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:54,680
Uh just

591
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,240
a note of that.

592
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:57,320
Um

593
00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,440
and then on the fencing, uh I believe

594
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:00,960
last year when we got preliminary plat

595
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,960
approval, uh fencing at that time was

596
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,560
not required on double fronted lots.

597
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,560
We agreed to put in a vinyl fence. I

598
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:13,000
believe that's on the record. Was that

599
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,120
masonry fence a recent requirement? Cuz

600
00:23:15,120 --> 00:23:16,480
I don't believe that was there last year

601
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:17,520
when we got approved.

602
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,000
>> No, I I I don't know if there is a

603
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,000
masonry fence requirement. And and

604
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:22,600
you're probably right. We talked about

605
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,160
that that your application might have

606
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:25,720
been in before there was any sort of

607
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,120
amendment to require fencing on double

608
00:23:28,120 --> 00:23:30,480
frontage lots. So, that what you're

609
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,720
saying sounds familiar to me and and

610
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,520
what I remember, but just wanted to

611
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,800
verify and and make sure that we hadn't

612
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,120
missed something there. I don't even know if we have a masonry

613
00:23:40,120 --> 00:23:41,800
fence requirement for things like that.

614
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:43,120
So, Oh, we do?

615
00:23:43,120 --> 00:23:44,960
>> We do. Yeah, it's it's on the double

616
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:46,440
frontage subsection.

617
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,880
>> Okay, so we'll we'll double-check that.

618
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,240
Like I say, our staff had a good memory

619
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:53,880
that we did do something with that, but

620
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:55,760
I think you might be right and we'll

621
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,160
verify that that your application might

622
00:23:58,160 --> 00:23:59,440
have been before that amendment and

623
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,680
therefore what had been discussed before

624
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,000
with with a vinyl fence and and that sort of thing

625
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:06,440
I think would would still apply to your

626
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:07,840
project.

627
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:09,280
>> Okay. All right, thanks Jason. That's

628
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,520
that was the only thing I needed to

629
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,360
address other than going back and doing

630
00:24:13,360 --> 00:24:17,710
all the redlines. So, thank you.

631
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:18,046
» Okay.

632
00:24:18,046 --> 00:24:18,480
>> [snorts]

633
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,480
>> Anything else?

634
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,920
Okay. Then I'll look for a motion

635
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,000
on these ones.

636
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:25,320
>> John

637
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:26,800
I'll I'll maybe try and make this

638
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:28,120
easier.

639
00:24:28,120 --> 00:24:30,080
I'll make a motion that that we table

640
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,120
each phase of the development pending

641
00:24:32,120 --> 00:24:34,400
the redline comments be addressed.

642
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:35,560
So,

643
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,760
um

644
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,080
Yeah, I guess we have to do them all in

645
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,000
separate motions. So,

646
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:42,720
let's just start with phase one.

647
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,600
Motion to table phase one.

648
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,600
>> I've got a motion to table phase one. Is

649
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:47,520
there a second?

650
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:48,560
>> I'll second it.

651
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,840
>> Seconded by Mike. All in favor, please

652
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:51,640
say aye.

653
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:52,360
>> Aye.

654
00:24:52,360 --> 00:24:53,640
>> Any opposed?

655
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,640
>> Okay. John, I'll make a motion to table

656
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,560
phase two.

657
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:58,320
>> I'll second it.

658
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,160
>> Seconded by Mike. All in favor to table,

659
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:02,040
please say I.

660
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:02,800
>> I.

661
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:04,400
>> Any opposed?

662
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:05,880
John, I'll make a motion to table phase

663
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:07,520
three.

664
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:08,680
>> I'll second it.

665
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,000
>> Got a motion and second. All in favor to

666
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:12,800
table phase three, please say I.

667
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:13,440
>> I.

668
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,360
>> Any opposed? John, I'll make a motion to

669
00:25:15,360 --> 00:25:17,000
table phase four.

670
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:17,920
>> I'll second it.

671
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:19,720
>> Seconded by Mike. All in favor to table

672
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,560
phase four, please say I.

673
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:22,160
>> I.

674
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:23,280
>> Any opposed?

675
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:24,800
>> Thought we'd make that a lot easier for

676
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:26,600
going to have the consistent and

677
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,160
Anyways, now we appreciate

678
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:30,440
the work that's being made on this,

679
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,160
Andy. Obviously, we're just a little bit

680
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,080
more information before we can we can

681
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,240
approve this, namely confirmation of the

682
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,040
easements and that sort of thing.

683
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,280
If Megan's showing me a thumbs up, so it

684
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:41,680
looks like you you have done what you

685
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,440
need to there, but with some of the

686
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:44,880
other things that were talked about, we

687
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:46,920
just need to have for a final approval,

688
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:48,200
we just need to have a little bit more

689
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,360
buttoned up to to have this ready to go.

690
00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:52,720
>> For sure. Yeah, there's a lot of things

691
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:53,960
on there. That's that's totally

692
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,040
understandable.

693
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,520
>> Okay, sounds good. Thank you.

694
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,160
>> Uh one uh one more question on water

695
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:03,840
rights. Actually, you know what? I'll

696
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:05,160
handle this with an email, John.

697
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:06,880
>> Yeah, just give me a call. We can we can

698
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,840
talk water rights, Andy. So.

699
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:10,200
>> Okay. All right, thank you.

700
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:14,030
>> Thank you.

701
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,080
Okay, the

702
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:17,440
um

703
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,440
let's see. Uh Andy's the only one that

704
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,040
was on

705
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,280
Zoom, so um

706
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,560
Liv, are you the traffic control?

707
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:26,440
>> Yes, I'm on my phone.

708
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:27,738
>> Okay.

709
00:26:27,738 --> 00:26:28,280
>> [laughter]

710
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,560
>> So, I just was getting ready to close

711
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,800
the the Zoom, so make it a little

712
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:40,710
easier on that one, so.

713
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,800
All right. Okay, the next item on the

714
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,520
agenda

715
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:48,280
is a request for a a deaf child at play

716
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:49,760
sign

717
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:50,400
um

718
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,040
located up here on 260

719
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,440
uh West um up here in the Orchards

720
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:56,880
development.

721
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:58,880
Get off of there.

722
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:00,560
Between

723
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:01,400
uh uh

724
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,000
Rayburn Lane and Ginger Gold Road.

725
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:11,360
Um this is a It says a request for deaf child in the area sign um in

726
00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:13,920
regards to that. So,

727
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,880
similar to other applicants that we've

728
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,480
other applications received for these types of sign whether it be deaf

729
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:24,080
child in play um you know

730
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,160
uh children playing in the area, child

731
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,920
at play in the area type type signage.

732
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,640
We we review and look at what they call

733
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,760
the MUTCD

734
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:39,400
or the municipal uniform traffic control device

735
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,520
guideline. It's a national guideline and

736
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,040
that sets standard nationwide standards

737
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,240
for locations of stop signs, locations

738
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,840
of um

739
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:52,280
really any kind of traffic control

740
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,160
device from speed bumps to stop signs to

741
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,800
traffic signals to length of turning

742
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:00,749
pockets and and everything on there.

743
00:28:00,749 --> 00:28:01,280
[snorts]

744
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,520
So, it creates a very standardized

745
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,440
travel network in that system.

746
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:12,160
Um part of and in that MUTCD document

747
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,000
when it talks about specifically

748
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,680
um child at play signs and deaf child in

749
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,280
area signs, they are not approved signs

750
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,000
in the in that document.

751
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,280
Um as such, they're not encouraged to be

752
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,480
installed or constructed

753
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,000
um for

754
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,480
uh multiple reasons. Um it's not those

755
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:35,640
are

756
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,000
uh signs that create logistical problems

757
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:42,080
with uh maintenance, also with um what

758
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:43,840
we call sign [snorts] fatigue. When a

759
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,040
lot of people see a bunch of signs out,

760
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,960
they tend to not pay attention to them.

761
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,120
Um

762
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:54,000
you see that in a lot of different locations and in relationship

763
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,920
to that. So, part of this review that

764
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:58,800
we've done is we've looked at this. We

765
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,000
do review that that document and see

766
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,285
what its recommendations are and

767
00:29:04,285 --> 00:29:07,560
[snorts] as a not approved sign on there

768
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,160
for engineering side of things, um it's

769
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,160
not a recommendation for my side to to

770
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,600
install those. So, uh and to install

771
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,760
this specific sign, too.

772
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,440
So, but with that, we'll go around the

773
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,760
DRC with any comments or thoughts you

774
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,040
may have in regards to this application.

775
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:26,560
So, starting with Randy.

776
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,560
>> Is that something that could be done by

777
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,160
an individual or do they have to have

778
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:31,360
that approved through the city if they

779
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,280
wanted to do it on their own?

780
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,160
>> If they want to install a sign within

781
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,280
the city right-of-way for that, um

782
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,440
that doesn't it's that's actually on

783
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,320
city property and city right-of-way, so

784
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:43,760
it would need to be

785
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,640
um approved by the city to do so.

786
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:48,800
>> I don't have anything else.

787
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,240
>> Okay.

788
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:51,360
Morgan?

789
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:52,880
>> Um

790
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,920
yeah, I I guess my my fear is that I

791
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,360
think at first there it would bring some

792
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,960
driver awareness, um and you would

793
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,880
as a driver, you know, you'd be kind of

794
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,520
warned that the

795
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,400
um

796
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,760
you know, that that maybe um there could

797
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,120
be a conflict. I'm not sure it would

798
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,000
reduce speeds, and I I am concerned,

799
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,160
too, that over time it it it's just like

800
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,480
another sign and people aren't going to pay attention to it and

801
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,440
that that sign fatigue thing is is real,

802
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:23,680
and so I

803
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,680
um yeah, that's that that's that's my

804
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,320
concern. I'd like to see kind of

805
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:32,200
if um those signs do affect drive driver

806
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,560
behavior. I think if we had something

807
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,080
that showed kind of some facts that you

808
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,080
when they you do install the signs, the

809
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,800
streets become safer. I think it's um

810
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,240
not not not very very likely. I think if

811
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:46,520
I could see something like that, I'd be

812
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:50,040
more apt to to to vote and and approving

813
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:50,680
that.

814
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,361
>> Okay.

815
00:30:52,361 --> 00:30:52,840
>> [snorts]

816
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,880
>> Jason Cowell, public works.

817
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:56,240
>> Some of the things I've seen over the

818
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,280
years when we install these signs is

819
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,280
that people move,

820
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,520
uh sell their house. We don't know this.

821
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,760
We we install the sign

822
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,040
and [snorts] then

823
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,240
we find out 10 15 years down the road

824
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,600
that the the the applicant doesn't even

825
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,400
live in that house anymore. Um

826
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,000
some other things, the sign fatigue. Uh

827
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:19,760
It is a maintenance It is a maintenance

828
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,390
issue, but you know, I would

829
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,400
I'd like to hear from the applicant if

830
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:26,640
she has anything to say. [clears throat]

831
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,400
>> going to give give her an opportunity

832
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:29,440
after we went through ours.

833
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,760
>> Okay. That'd be That'd be good, but

834
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,680
those those are my concerns that that I

835
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,040
have and it's you know, I'm you know,

836
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:37,440
Morgan brought up a good point. If

837
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,440
there's something out there that, you

838
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,520
know, can

839
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,080
you know, sway us in a different

840
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,400
direction, I'd love to love to see that.

841
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:47,840
You know, if there's a study or a white

842
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:49,346
paper or something there that's

843
00:31:49,346 --> 00:31:49,960
>> [cough and clears throat]

844
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:51,720
>> you know, installing these signs will

845
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,277
make a difference.

846
00:31:53,277 --> 00:31:53,400
>> [snorts]

847
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,000
>> I Yeah, I'd

848
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,560
entertain that for sure. So.

849
00:31:58,560 --> 00:31:59,720
>> Mike.

850
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,360
>> Well, I'm usually the one that's an

851
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:06,270
anti-sign guy. You guys know this.

852
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:07,880
And you bringing her in here obviously

853
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,607
isn't helping my decision like

854
00:32:11,617 --> 00:32:12,440
» [laughter]

855
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,520
>> Um but I

856
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,920
from a police perspective,

857
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,800
you know, there are special

858
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,520
circumstances sometimes. And usually I

859
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,000
might if there's a standard, we go by

860
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,120
the standard, but I don't know how old

861
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:27,680
she is. She's pretty little.

862
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,080
There are some added uh I think dangers

863
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,120
to having a deaf child that can't hear

864
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,040
traffic coming.

865
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,280
Um can't hear a vehicle if it's honking,

866
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:39,720
can't

867
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,360
And and I don't I understand. I don't

868
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:43,720
know what the signage cost. I don't know

869
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,040
what the maintenance on one would be.

870
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:47,440
Um, obviously we got to take that into

871
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,120
account, but if it's a pretty minimal

872
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,520
cost, I think having a young child like

873
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,440
this in a populated neighborhood, I

874
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:56,880
don't know what the traffic's huge, but

875
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,960
even if you stop that one teenage

876
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:00,920
driver, one speeder, or something that

877
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:02,880
does give recognition, even if it's for

878
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,080
a year, you know, and let this let this

879
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:07,720
child get a little bit older where maybe

880
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,280
they understand and are able to go

881
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,000
through the motions of being taught

882
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:12,560
through sign language and stuff that,

883
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,600
hey, we don't go on the road, we don't

884
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:15,920
But when they're young like this, I

885
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:20,520
think it does add a enhanced danger and

886
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,960
I don't know, depending on the cost, I I

887
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,000
think it would be worth maybe

888
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:25,840
entertaining.

889
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:26,800
Okay.

890
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:27,520
Jason?

891
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,160
>> Can you remind me of the exact location

892
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:31,240
of where this is proposed?

893
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,960
>> So, the the address, let's say this is

894
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:35,120
260 West

895
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:35,440
>> Okay.

896
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,600
>> Um, so it would be

897
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,280
um, for this is

898
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:40,920
really there need to be two signs

899
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,040
related to this.

900
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:43,280
>> So, kind of on the north end and

901
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:44,720
>> from the north and from the south.

902
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,480
>> So,

903
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:47,960
Yeah, I think I echo a lot of the

904
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,000
comments that have been made. Uh,

905
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,000
I I want I want our, you know, residents

906
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,200
to to understand that we're sensitive

907
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,160
these types of things.

908
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:01,640
Uh, I was just sitting here thinking and uh, you know, maybe the the the, you

909
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,880
know, deaf child at play sign that some

910
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:05,880
people see, maybe that's not the answer.

911
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:07,360
Maybe there's some other things that we

912
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:08,919
could do. Uh,

913
00:34:08,919 --> 00:34:10,240
I reason I asked wanted to see where

914
00:34:10,240 --> 00:34:12,159
it's at is, you know, this is a pretty

915
00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:14,280
localized road. You know, maybe there's

916
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:18,240
some sort of effort that we can do and we have tools. We do it for

917
00:34:18,240 --> 00:34:20,399
notifying residents of sub-subdivisions

918
00:34:20,399 --> 00:34:21,919
and re-zones and stuff like that. We're

919
00:34:21,919 --> 00:34:23,960
we'd be happy to to work with you on

920
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,720
maybe we could do a mailer to you know,

921
00:34:26,720 --> 00:34:28,040
I don't think anybody's going to drive

922
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,399
down that street uh, very much unless

923
00:34:30,399 --> 00:34:31,760
they live there. We could we could do a

924
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,679
mailer to inform people about that. Uh I

925
00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:36,960
know sometimes people on their own will

926
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:38,639
have those little like,

927
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:40,760
you know, small child-looking signs that

928
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,960
say slow down. I mean, I see those all

929
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,480
the time with people that that feel like

930
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:45,720
people speed through their neighborhood

931
00:34:45,720 --> 00:34:47,120
and you know, I don't know if they make

932
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,280
that much of a difference or not. Um but

933
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:50,840
if if there's something like that that

934
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,200
can be done to to help you. The other

935
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,000
thing that we that concerns me is is,

936
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,280
you know, it looks like your child's

937
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:58,880
fairly young, but sometimes it it

938
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:00,960
creates a false sense of security that

939
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:02,840
if there's a sign that, you know, the

940
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,680
child feels like, "Oh, I'm I'm I'm

941
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,960
protected by this sign." Um and and

942
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,920
sometimes those signs

943
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,520
are either not even seen with sign

944
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,080
fatigue or or things like that, but um

945
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,920
maybe maybe a sign's not the answer, uh

946
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,880
but maybe there's something,

947
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,200
you know, kind of creative that we can

948
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:22,440
do. I don't I don't want to just tell

949
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,560
the applicant no, cuz I think we are

950
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,920
sensitive to your concerns, but maybe

951
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:28,800
there is some sort of a mailer we can do

952
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,520
on an annual basis or something uh that

953
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,400
notifies people uh in a reasonable area

954
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,000
that that uh

955
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,640
cuz like I say,

956
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:39,200
uh

957
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:40,240
yeah, you're going to have some through

958
00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:42,920
traffic occasionally, but 90% of the

959
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:44,120
traffic that's going to go through there

960
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,160
are probably people who live in and

961
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,080
around that area, and if we we do some

962
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:49,600
sort of a mailer, maybe that's the the

963
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,280
better way to do it and

964
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,560
instead of having a sign that disappears

965
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,720
behind, you know, landscaping and all

966
00:35:55,720 --> 00:35:57,480
the other signs that, you know, people

967
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,200
will will kind of overlook. So,

968
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,600
that's kind of my thought. I I tended to

969
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,840
not, you know, I see that the challenges

970
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:06,720
with more signs and kind of what's been

971
00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:08,320
expressed, but I also wanted to maybe

972
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:15,520
bring a uh proactive idea forward that maybe can can replace the sign.

973
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,160
>> Yeah. You want to take a minute

974
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:22,000
and share any thoughts you may have on

975
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,160
it?

976
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:23,960
>> Um

977
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:25,880
>> And if you could put give us your name,

978
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:26,800
please, for the minutes.

979
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:27,920
>> Oh, I'm Haley.

980
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:28,440
>> Okay.

981
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:29,960
>> This is Sage.

982
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:31,480
Um

983
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,280
Yeah, the problem with

984
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:39,840
our street is we have a few people that will speed

985
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,400
down that road. I don't know if they're

986
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,640
residents or not, but they do go quick.

987
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:45,880
And then we have a lot of big

988
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,840
construction trucks that go right

989
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:49,600
through there. Right now, I know that

990
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,640
won't be forever, but

991
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,360
um

992
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,400
Yeah, she even with her implants on,

993
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,320
she's still moderate to severe hearing

994
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:58,320
loss.

995
00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:59,720
And if she doesn't have them on, she

996
00:36:59,720 --> 00:37:01,280
can't hear anything, so she couldn't

997
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,120
hear a car honking, she couldn't hear

998
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:05,880
I mean, she couldn't hear a sonic boom.

999
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,710
Like

1000
00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:10,960
We keep a close eye on her, but for me

1001
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,040
as a mother, it would be much more

1002
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,200
comforting knowing there's something

1003
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,160
that tells people that maybe they glance

1004
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,000
over and see it, tells them

1005
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,920
to slow down or know that, you know, my

1006
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,040
child can't hear you if she happened to

1007
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,440
get out to the road, heaven forbid. Um

1008
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,640
if there is something

1009
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:37,200
that's more reasonable like

1010
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,120
I mean, I don't know if a speed trap is

1011
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:40,640
a reasonable thing to put up, but

1012
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,920
something or a speed bump so that people

1013
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,830
have to slow down.

1014
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:53,670
I'm open to things like that, but

1015
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,960
Yeah, I just care about the safety of my

1016
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,680
child, and when she is so young, she

1017
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,040
doesn't understand things,

1018
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:02,640
there's only so much I can do.

1019
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,830
>> Mhm.

1020
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:07,480
But what do you think of the some of the

1021
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,280
ideas of a letter or things like that? I

1022
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,960
know it's not the physical permanent

1023
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,200
thing that's there that

1024
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:14,560
>> Well, yeah, that's the concern. There's

1025
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,760
a lot of new Well, they're building that

1026
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,640
development right there. Tons of new

1027
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,320
homes and stuff. You're going to get new

1028
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:21,760
people, new drivers that

1029
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:22,200
>> Right.

1030
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:23,600
>> won't get that

1031
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:24,080
letter.

1032
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:25,960
>> Well, like I say, if if it's something

1033
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,520
that I know it's something that and and

1034
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:29,720
I you know,

1035
00:38:29,720 --> 00:38:30,960
it'd be something that'd be nice to have

1036
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,680
you help us remember, but on a on a

1037
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,880
annual semi-annual basis, like I say, we

1038
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,040
could probably uh

1039
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,640
try and help facilitate some sort of a

1040
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,280
letter that goes out to reminds people.

1041
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:43,800
I Based on the comment that you said, I

1042
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:45,720
know today

1043
00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:47,760
we can probably make a call to the

1044
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,560
contractors that are doing that work and

1045
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,480
that may be driving heavy trucks through

1046
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,720
there and make them put them on notice

1047
00:38:53,720 --> 00:38:55,600
of that cuz that's that's that's

1048
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,600
relatively easy to do and hopefully

1049
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,686
it'll it'll, you know,

1050
00:38:59,686 --> 00:38:59,720
>> [clears throat]

1051
00:38:59,720 --> 00:39:01,560
>> filter through the to all the

1052
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,640
subcontractors and stuff like that, but

1053
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:04,840
you know, I think we're happy to do

1054
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,760
that. Um

1055
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,560
but I don't know. Like I say, I know

1056
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,240
that, you know, speed bumps is a is

1057
00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:12,320
another uh very difficult thing. We

1058
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,840
don't I think we have maybe one or two

1059
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,040
speed bumps and those are speed bumps

1060
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:18,760
are hard when you when you have to do

1061
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:19,760
snow removal.

1062
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:20,120
>> Right.

1063
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,320
>> It just makes it really difficult. It's

1064
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,200
hard on your plows if the drivers forget

1065
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:25,240
that

1066
00:39:25,240 --> 00:39:27,240
they're not they're they're there.

1067
00:39:27,240 --> 00:39:28,560
Sometimes speed bumps can make things

1068
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,840
more dangerous cuz if a plow driver hits

1069
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,480
it and they forget it's there or not,

1070
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,040
you know, it'll pull the the snow plow

1071
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:38,200
off into someone's yard, so uh it's it's

1072
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:39,360
uh there's different challenges for

1073
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:40,680
those things like that, but

1074
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,920
>> I can appreciate that. It just is the

1075
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:44,080
speed that worries me.

1076
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:45,560
>> Right, right.

1077
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,880
And I think particularly if there's any,

1078
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:49,600
you know, extenuating circumstances of

1079
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,000
someone who's going particularly fast,

1080
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:52,960
you know, I think a little quick call

1081
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,160
and I'm sure the police department would

1082
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:54,280
be

1083
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,120
>> I was going to say, get with me after.

1084
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:57,880
I'll get you on my email. Send me your

1085
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,240
address and and I'm more than willing to

1086
00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:02,200
bring the trailer down that we can

1087
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,320
actually monitor speed and put a sign up

1088
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,760
there temporarily that even says that

1089
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,160
there's a deaf child in the area.

1090
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:10,520
And then as it becomes a problem, we can

1091
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:11,960
bring it back down. We'll leave it for a

1092
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,280
week or two and

1093
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:13,720
>> Okay.

1094
00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:17,960
>> and gather some of the speed data and traffic data and then we can

1095
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:19,800
actually put that sign out, and it will

1096
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,720
actually flash across it that there's a

1097
00:40:21,720 --> 00:40:24,080
deaf child in the area to slow down.

1098
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,120
Um and see how that goes, maybe as a

1099
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:27,960
trial, and see if it helps or if it

1100
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,040
doesn't help or

1101
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,600
Um like I said, I I I feel for you. You

1102
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:33,960
know, I've I've had experience with

1103
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,080
people or with kids with the same thing,

1104
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,280
and it is challenging. So, I want to

1105
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:39,360
help where I can.

1106
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:40,640
>> I think that's a that's a really good

1107
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,200
idea. Um

1108
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,880
cuz I the the things that I read about

1109
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,000
just putting up like um a deaf child at

1110
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,160
play sign is that people see it for a

1111
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:51,920
week, and then it goes away. But, I

1112
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,640
think if if it is something where we

1113
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,160
brought something that's a temporary

1114
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:56,760
portable speed limit sign or something

1115
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:58,720
that has a message on it, we take it

1116
00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:00,520
away. If we see the speeds come back up,

1117
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,080
we could bring it back out cuz I think

1118
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:03,520
that would have that would alert people

1119
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:04,760
at least in that short term without

1120
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:05,640
having to do like

1121
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:06,800
>> Well, and it's a bright orange, and it

1122
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,760
flashes, and so they'll they'll I think

1123
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,440
it'll bring more attention. We can even

1124
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:11,440
make it look like it's going to give

1125
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:12,520
them a ticket, so

1126
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:12,840
>> Okay.

1127
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,400
>> It won't, but it'll make them think it

1128
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:18,840
is. Initially, we we we use a tool. It's a it's public. We can even show you

1129
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:20,920
how to use the tool, but we can

1130
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:22,400
really easily,

1131
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,840
you know, in whatever area get all the

1132
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:26,680
addresses and and have this mailing

1133
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,360
list, and and that makes makes that

1134
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:30,200
uh

1135
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:31,960
>> So, it'd be possible to do both?

1136
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:32,560
>> Sure.

1137
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:33,320
>> Yeah.

1138
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:34,840
>> Like I say, uh

1139
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:35,800
you know, obviously it's a little

1140
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,080
trickier if you're on more of a

1141
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,240
thoroughfare and and and uh you know,

1142
00:41:39,240 --> 00:41:40,640
there's a lot of people outside of the

1143
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:41,760
neighborhood that are driving on it.

1144
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,960
But, this this is a lot more localized

1145
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,520
that you'll probably catch 90% of the

1146
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,800
people that drive on your road by doing

1147
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:50,400
something like a mailer or so. And we we

1148
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:51,720
don't have to do just your street, we

1149
00:41:51,720 --> 00:41:54,280
could even do Bradburn and and kind of

1150
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,200
that whole area over there just to to

1151
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:58,960
people you know, we we could do that

1152
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,840
annually, semi-annually, um

1153
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:03,800
and uh like I say, I think I think it'd

1154
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:05,600
be helpful if if you kind of

1155
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,760
work with us and and we can show you the

1156
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,520
tools and and help to try and and you

1157
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:11,400
know,

1158
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,360
put something on city letterhead that

1159
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:14,680
does it so it doesn't feel like it's

1160
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,640
just, you know, coming from somebody but

1161
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,480
it's it's got a little bit more

1162
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:19,640
umph behind it with the city's

1163
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,040
letterhead. So,

1164
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:22,400
that's something that you're you're open

1165
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:23,960
to. I think I think that'd be something

1166
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,800
we'd be happy to to help out with and kind of the other things. I just

1167
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,440
don't think that a permanent sign is

1168
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,160
necessarily the answer

1169
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:33,600
for the reasons, you know, the false

1170
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,880
sense of security, the the sign fatigue

1171
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:37,680
and everything else that that comes with

1172
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:38,880
that. Um

1173
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,400
and and I think we say that from a

1174
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,120
standpoint of we want your child to be

1175
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:44,760
safe as well. The last thing you want to

1176
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,520
do is put a sign up and and and have it

1177
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:51,280
create those unintended consequences.

1178
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:51,520
>> Okay.

1179
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,960
>> Active is always better than passive.

1180
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:59,040
A sign like that is a very passive

1181
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:04,080
form of traffic control which a speed limit sign, yeah, it's

1182
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,000
there but unless there's some sort of

1183
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,000
active enforcement or some sort of that,

1184
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,800
it's just a sign that people see. And if

1185
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:13,920
they won't get caught doing anything, it

1186
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:15,200
doesn't doesn't change [snorts]

1187
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,040
anything. I think an active approach

1188
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:18,920
probably is a better approach in this

1189
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,040
situation.

1190
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:21,480
>> That's fine. That would help me. That

1191
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,040
would reassure me. I'm great with that.

1192
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:25,280
>> Great.

1193
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,160
Okay. So, with that

1194
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:28,480
>> Thank you for coming. Yeah.

1195
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,040
>> Yes.

1196
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:31,360
>> Yeah, we usually don't we usually don't

1197
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,920
see the applicant so when they when they

1198
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:35,640
bring these in. So, I really appreciate

1199
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:37,200
you coming and showing up and let us

1200
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:38,320
letting us

1201
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:39,480
know what you

1202
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:40,880
your feelings.

1203
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:41,480
>> Thank you.

1204
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,840
>> I second that that comment by Jason and

1205
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,200
I'll make a motion.

1206
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:46,520
>> All right.

1207
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,880
>> I'll make a motion that we deny the the

1208
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,280
request for a deaf child at play sign

1209
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,680
but that we make some proactive efforts

1210
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,640
and and and work with the

1211
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,800
resident to provide some notification

1212
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,080
letters for people who live in that

1213
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,080
neighborhood and that we we make some

1214
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:06,640
efforts in the police department to to

1215
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,640
do some uh

1216
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,920
notification efforts through a speed

1217
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,520
sign and and that sort of a thing and and

1218
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:16,400
uh

1219
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,680
and this is it's something that that we

1220
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:20,840
could look at in the future as needed.

1221
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:21,760
>> Okay.

1222
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:22,800
>> I'll second that, Joe.

1223
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:24,840
>> Second by Mike.

1224
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:25,840
Any other discussion [snorts] on the

1225
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:27,840
motion?

1226
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:29,600
Now, all in favor, please say aye.

1227
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:30,280
>> Aye.

1228
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,280
>> Any opposed? Okay, motion passes.

1229
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:33,680
>> So

1230
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:34,080
>> Yeah.

1231
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,040
>> We'll coordinate with you after after

1232
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:40,400
the meeting. We got one other item to go over. Thank you.

1233
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,320
Um last item on the agenda is review and

1234
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,240
approval of the minutes from July 14th,

1235
00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:47,760
the DRC meeting.

1236
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,280
Are there any comments on that? I'd look

1237
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:50,360
for a motion.

1238
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,720
>> Motion to approve July 14th, 2026

1239
00:44:53,720 --> 00:44:55,320
meeting minutes.

1240
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:55,920
>> Got a motion?

1241
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:56,720
>> I'll second it.

1242
00:44:56,720 --> 00:44:58,760
>> Second by Jason.

1243
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,600
All in favor, please say aye.

1244
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:01,320
>> Aye.

1245
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:02,680
>> Any opposed?

1246
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,280
Okay, minutes are approved.

1247
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,480
There's not anything else needed for the

1248
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,440
DRC. I'd look for a motion to adjourn.

1249
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:10,640
>> Mr. Chair, I'll make a motion to

1250
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:11,640
adjourn.

1251
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,480
>> We heard Joe.