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Okay, good morning. It's April 7th, 2026. We're here at the Robert L. Anderson Administration Center for your regularly scheduled Board of County Commissioners, meaning all five commissioners are present. If you're able, please stand. We'll be led in the indication by Sean Yeager.

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Good morning. Thank you. We come together today with gratitude for the opportunity to serve the people of Sarasota County.

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May we be guided with wisdom, clarity, stewardship,

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leadership and fairness as we consider the matters before us.

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Help us work in the spirit of unity, listening with respect and collaborating for the good

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of all.

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Keep us focused on the purpose and the responsibility we share to strengthen and support our community.

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Amen.

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Amen.

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Thank you.

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We have Sergeant Marcus Summers with us today to lead us in the pledge he served four years

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in the United States Air Force, earning the Air Force outstanding unit award, good conduct

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Tech Medal, Longevity Service Award, and the Air Force Training Ribbon.

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In 1986, he deployed to Central America, Honduras, as part of Joint Task Force Bravo.

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Supporting exercise and training missions aimed at countering Soviet and communist influence

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in Nicaragua and Honduras.

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For the past six years, he has worked with Sarasota County as a business security analyst

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in the risk management department, providing expertise and security analysis and risk mitigation.

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And I saw this little note here, additionally, prior to joining Sarasota County government,

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it had more than 30 years of experience in law enforcement and public safety.

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And he retired as deputy chief of the Prince George's County Maryland Police Department after 20 years.

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Thank you for your service, sir.

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Thank you, sir.

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Please take this in the pledge.

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Our pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic

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for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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Thank you.

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All right, with that, we have some proclamations starting with 100 who care giving circles

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day and that will be presented by Commissioner Smith.

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Okay.

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Good morning.

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Sure, everybody come on up.

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I'm just glad there isn't a hundred of you.

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That was the rumor.

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No, anyway, in all seriousness.

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This proclamation today is for 100 who care,

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giving circle day, whereas the 100 women who care chapters

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in Sarasota County have demonstrated exceptional commitment

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to community service through collective giving

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and whereas their philanthropic efforts

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that provides substantial support to local not-for-profits,

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enhancing the well-being of residents

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throughout Sarasota County,

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and whereas recognizing April 10th

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as 100 who care giving circle day,

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will honor the spirit of generosity

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and community engagement,

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exemplified by these organizations.

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Now therefore, we, the Board of County commissioners

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to Sarasota County, Florida, do hereby proclaim

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April 7th, 2026 to be 100 who care,

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They're giving Circle Day presented on this 7th day of April of 2026.

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Debbie?

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There you go.

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Thank you very much.

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I want to thank the Sarasota County Commissioners for this honor.

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100 women who care was originally founded in Jackson, Michigan in 2006 and the organization

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has grown to over 700 chapters worldwide.

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The three local chapters were formed in 2018, 2019, and 2020 in Sarasota, Venice, and Manatee,

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all three serving Sarasota County.

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We have contributed nearly $800,000 to the local nonprofit community.

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We consider ourselves a grassroots movement where each of our nearly 550 members

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commits to a $100 donation twice a year.

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It's the fact that this proclamation has honored us on April 10th is significant in that it is the 100th day of the year.

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We very much appreciate your recognition of our contribution and thank you very much.

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Anybody else?

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Hello, Keith Doug.

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I am.

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Next we have National Public Safety Telecommunications Week and Commissioner Knight.

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Commissioner?

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right, just trying to get you.

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There's some push-ups for having her phone on.

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I know.

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Who's going to hold it?

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Dan?

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I'm sorry.

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I'm going to come back.

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I'll slide in here somewhere.

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Rich, where are we at?

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Good morning, everyone.

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I'm Tom Knight.

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I'm your district three county commissioner.

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I get the honor of completing a proclamation today on behalf of our board of county commissioners

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for National Safety Public Telecommunications Week.

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telecommunications week, whereas emergencies can occur at any time that require law enforcement fire or emergency medical services and whereas the Sarasota County Sheriff's Office Public Safety Telecommunications are the first and most critical contact our citizens have with emergency services and servings a single vital link for law enforcement firefighters, EMTs, and paramedics by monitoring or activities by radio, providing them information and ensuring their safety and whereas each public safety telecommunicator

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Exhibited compassion, understanding, and professionalism during the performance of their job,

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fielding over 630,500,000 overall calls to assist our community in 2025.

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Whereas, the Sarasota County 9-1-1 Center is a primary public safety answering point for

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law enforcement and fire rescue agencies serving our community, including an uncorporated Sarasota County,

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the cities of Sarasota, Venice, and Northport, the town of Lombokia, as well as Inguid Fire Department,

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Nacoma's Volunteer Fire Department, Sarasota County School Board Police, and now therefore,

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we, the Board of County Commissioners of Sarasota County, Florida, do hereby proclaim April 12th through

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April 18th, 2026 to be National Safety Telecommunicators Week, present a seventh day of April 2026.

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Thank you very much. I'll just make one quick comment is, I used to say when Kurt and I worked together

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If you can't get the call in and get it out, you can't give service.

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And these individuals, and I know the sheriff will talk about it, is in ritual, is probably

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the most important thing in public safety is the people who take the phone calls that come

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in every day, or how they come into the center now with technology advancements, is no service

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can be given by any agency unless these individuals get it out the right way.

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That is your beginning of your safety and security in this county.

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In this county has the premier public safety communication center by far.

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So I just wanted to say that and I don't know who we're going to pass it off to the sheriff or do you want it first?

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Thank you commissioner and thank you commissioners for recognizing these hard working men and women.

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There's over 100 folks that work in our public safety communication center.

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The bureau commander for our emergency operations bureau is Captain Dan Tutko.

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Michael Spiegel has been with us.

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I believe since 2008 is a manager.

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Kathleen is helping train our new recruits over there.

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She's coming up on 10 years with us I think.

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Christine is pushing 30 years with us, been doing it for a long time.

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I told Christine she could either give a speech or sing a karaoke song because she's a really good karaoke singer.

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She doesn't want to do either one of them, so I'm just going to recognize her for

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where the consummate professional that she is working in the Public Safety Communication Center.

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As Commissioner Knight said, there's hundreds of thousands of calls that come in and out of that center.

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They are the first first responders.

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They watch over us, they check on me when I'm sitting too long on my computer and

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check on all of us that are out there working in the field of fire, EMS, and law enforcement.

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I just can't say enough about the work that they do extremely proud of the way that they conduct their business.

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I'll just say one final thing as well.

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The Denise Amber Lee case has been in the news recently, and I don't know if folks understand that the Denise Amber Lee Act was modeled off of the training program here at the Sarasota County Sheriff's Office about 90% of what the state made everybody mandate and training they had to go through came from the training curriculum that we built here at the Sarasota County Sheriff's Office.

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So, very proud, also want to think your County Administrator Jonathan Lewis, Rich Collins,

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Sally Lawrence, our partners over at the county.

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If you don't know, we always kind of divide the labor this way.

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The folks work for the Sheriff's Office, all of the infrastructure, the building, the computer

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aided dispatch, all of the equipment that's in there as the county's and it's a great partnership.

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So, thank you Rich for that as well.

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I'd just like to say thank you to the men and women that work in the dispatch center there,

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the unsung heroes, and 24-7, they are making sure that not only the citizens are safe, but the

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men and women that respond to those calls for service are safe also. So thank you to them.

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There's not much more than I can say other than the support of our Board of County Administration,

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the partnership with the sheriff to give the tools to our telecommunicators to us. The commissioner said

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get the call and get it out. The work in Sarasota County puts us at the forefront of next generation,

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I want one to get the information out to our partners in the field to get them there as quickly as possible.

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And I'll tell you as a former firefighter that I can go back 36 years and tell you the names of every telecommunicator that I worked with.

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Scott, Mary, Steve, Beth, they were calm voices when you arrive on the scene and it's chaos.

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They're the key back to getting the information and getting it taken care of and without them, we would be in a much worse place.

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so thank you for all you do every day.

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Next we have Earth Day presented by Commissioner Nunder.

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Okay, great.

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I can chair and Lee Hayes.

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Would you guys all come up?

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Good morning.

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So I think I know Lee Hayes, we've rehearsed this.

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I heard karaoke from the sheriff.

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That's the trigger word.

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So we're going to perform our karaoke this morning,

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cue the music chair.

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I'm okay.

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All right, very good.

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Well, good morning ladies and gentlemen.

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This morning we are presenting

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the proclamation for Earth Day, and whereas since 1970 Earth Day has brought people together

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from around the world to support environmental protections and to deepen our connections

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to the natural environment, whereas Sarasota County has a long standing commitment to environmental

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conservation through programs and actions that support sustainable living, environmental

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lands preservation, green building practices, and energy and water efficiency strategies

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resulting in cleaner air and utility cost savings.

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Whereas Sarasota County provides residents, visitors, businesses, and other array of educational programs,

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and activities designed to raise environmental awareness and implement opportunities,

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including a planned April 18th Earth Day celebration at the Bay,

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where people can learn how to get involved and protect our local environment.

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Now, therefore, we the Board of County Commissioners of Sarasota County, Florida,

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Do hereby proclaim April 22nd, 2026, to be Earth Day here in Sarasota County, presented this 7th day of April, 2026.

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And I will turn it over for some comments for everyone that he has.

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Thank you commissioners for this recognition and for your continued support of environmental protections in our beautiful county.

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We have some exciting partnerships for Earth Month this year and I'm going to pass it off to

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Michelle Miran Angel are a sustainability outreach coordinator to share some of those.

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Thank you. Good morning. Since 1970, people around the world have come together to celebrate

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our planet and support environmental action on April 22nd. This Earth Day, the hour-power

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our planet theme, reminds us that environmental stewardship depends on daily decisions and

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actions of individuals. The benefits of environmental stewardship extend beyond supporting the planet

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and wildlife, they also enhance human health, strengthen economic stability, save money,

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and improve overall quality of life.

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Sarasota County continues to incorporate sustainable design into new county buildings.

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Since 2005, we have certified 17 county buildings through the USGBC Lead Green Building Program,

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and installed solar PV at eight locations with more underway.

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Aliyah Garrett is here to represent the city of Sarasota who has surpassed its 2024 goal

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of powering municipal operations with at least 50% renewable energy, now sourcing about

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80% of its power from solar power.

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These projects are an economic driver for our community, reduce air pollution, and save

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tax fair dollars on electric bills.

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Thank you to our county and city leadership and boards for supporting these initiatives.

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There are many actions you can take to

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Let's practice environmental stewardship in your home at work and in our community. First, we hope residents will join our upcoming community event to celebrate Earth Day with engaging activities and find for families to learn about local organizations, striving towards a more sustainable future at the Bay on Saturday, April 18 from 11 a.m. to 1 p.m. They can also reduce energy use, save money, and conserve power through efficiency improvements in their homes and businesses.

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And look, and you can learn more on sustainable practices from you of IFA's extension of Sarasota County.

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Our office is beautiful gardens and staff that can provide a well-developed information on how to take action.

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Thank you so much.

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Okay, thank you.

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I'm moving on to agenda item number one, open to the public time as reserved for person's desire to comment on items not scheduled for public hearing.

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The person's wishing to speak it open to the public shall complete a request to speak card including the number of the agenda item or if not an agenda item the topic to be addressed comments unscheduled agenda items will be heard first followed by up to five speakers related on topics not on the advertised agenda any remaining speaker cars will be held for the final open to the public session at the end of the meeting with that we have a few cards here so I'm going to call up the first five names if you'll make your way forward

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to help us move through efficiently. Kelly Bowman, PJ Brooks, Brian Joseph, Jim Uletowski

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I believe, and Lotus Ramirez.

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If you would push the button on the mic there to turn

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and on. There you go. Thank you.

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All right.

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If we could wait till I get this on the screen.

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I appreciate it.

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You chart it.

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There you go.

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Good morning commissioners.

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My name is Kelly Bowman.

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I appreciate the discussion around community workshops that will be item number 20

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because the public does want to be involved.

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But I need to clarify something for the record.

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The obligations tied to the 30% design phase under the public private partnership agreement

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for the Manusota Beach Road expansion, we're not fulfilled.

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We have correspondence from the county, state, no design plans, models, or environment.

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The analysis have been submitted that is dated September 19th.

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We have course, at the same time we have internal correspondence from the consultant, Frank Domingo, who's the most expensive engineer for record, that's great.

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was submitted and the workshop was held in Spencer Anderson references, August 19th of the Jackaranda library.

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Both those facts cannot both be true in a meaningful way.

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Because a valid 30% design phase is not just a meeting, it requires actual deliverables,

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models, reports, and supporting analysis.

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Without those, the public is not participating in a real design phase.

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They are participating in something incomplete.

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and the agreement clearly states for the economic stimulus working groups obligations to 30% design workshop as well as a 90% design workshop based on the county's own statements they were not.

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And I would also say this, if those obligations are not met then this is a failure of the contract.

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This acknowledgement needs to be acknowledged.

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It's not just a failure, it's an opportunity.

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It's an opportunity for this board to demonstrate that there is no preferential treatment.

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That the contracts apply equally to the process and the process matters.

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Because from the outside, it appears the project is being allowed to move forward despite those requirements, not being fulfilled.

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Addressing that now would go a long way to restoring public trust.

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I would ask this board to consider that this is probably appropriate time to pause, halt, and the advancement of this project into those obligations are verified.

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You can see in this email, Paula Wiggins, states that they have not received the 30% design documents.

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It's larger there.

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Stan Tech has not submitted, you see the date September 19th.

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The project was approved on August 27th, the Jacaranda library that it was the 30% design meeting was August 19th.

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And they did not advertise as a 30% design.

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So please, amongst other things, concerns, stop the project.

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All right, thank you, PJ Brooks.

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Good morning, I'm PJ Brooks, the Chief Operating Officer for Castle,

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Community Assistant and Supported Living.

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I'm speaking to you today really as a show of gratitude for item number seven.

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As Castle has been moving forward with creating affordable housing,

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many of you know that we just recently opened up Neutral Plaza that you all supported us.

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And you were instrumental in making sure that we could bring that to fruition.

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And our goal is, with Rosedale down in Northport, that you are also supporting, is to create an opportunity to build off of what we learned with neutral plaza, with our family focus sent approach for families who are struggling with affordability to do the same in Northport, but to also create a gateway to the south of Sarasota County that mirrors the gateway to the north of Sarasota County with neutral plaza.

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We're honored that you've been supporting us all along, including Nancy's Village, and we just thank you for not just for us and what we're doing, but also for the total focus that you've taken on affordable housing in general, and I'm grateful that you're continuing to look at that as well, so thank you for your time.

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Thank you. Brian Joseph.

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Good morning commissioners. My name is Brian Joseph.

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This is my wife Valerie Joseph. Thank you guys for the opportunity to speak.

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We are residents and property owners and unincorporated Sarasota County.

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Today we're asking you to bring back a vote to remove the 30-day minimum rental requirement for short-term rentals in unincorporated areas.

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This is an outdated rule, it's hurting our local economy, violating basic fairness and

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treating many of us like second-class county residents.

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Right now, RMF zone properties in our barrier islands, CSDA Casey and

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Manisota Key are allowed short-term rentals under 30 days.

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And that's great for them, it brings dollars tourism to the county.

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But the exact same county code bans it everywhere else in unincorporated areas including single

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family homes on the islands themselves.

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We feel that it is better served for the deed restricted communities to implement these

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type of laws as opposed to a broad ban across the county.

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We feel it's a little bit of disparate treatment.

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Why should one group of county taxpayers and property owners get to participate in tourism

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economy while the rest of us are locked out. It's not fair and it's not consistent with the way

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we treat other residents. Tourism, as you all know, is Sarasota County's biggest economic engine

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generating roughly $4 billion in impact annually and supporting over 24,000 jobs.

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These funds be tree nourishment, arts, infrastructure through tourist development, tax revenues,

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as you guys well know, short-term rentals, expand lodging, options beyond hotels for

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families, track families, longer-staying visitors who spend more at local shops,

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attractions and services.

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They increase property tax values and tax revenue for owners who choose to rent.

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Other Florida tourist destinations thrive with short-term rental rules keeping this ban

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again, in unincorporated areas means we're leaving money and jobs on the table while our

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city and barrier island neighbors capture the benefits.

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This is also about respecting private property rights.

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These are our homes.

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We've paid the taxes, maintained the properties, and followed the rules.

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Owners should have the freedom to rent them responsibly, obviously.

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The city of Sarasota has already shown it can be done right.

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They allow short term rentals with registration, inspections, occupancy limits, strong enforcement for noise and parking.

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We can do the same here, smart rules, not a blanket ban.

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Commissioners, this is an easy and easy win for fairness for our economy and county residents.

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Please bring back four vote to remove the 30-day minimum and

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unincorporated rent service out of county.

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Let's treat all of our residents equally and unlock the potential of responsible short term.

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Thank you, sir.

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Okay, thank you.

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I'm sir.

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Jim Lotowski.

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Morning commissioners.

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So a couple of things here.

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Agenda number, item number 20, reinstating the requirement for in-person neighborhood workshops

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regarding development petitions.

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If this is a requirement, then why has it not been being done?

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The first meeting held for a Manisota Beach Road at the Jacque Ronda Library was not promoted,

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and it certainly wasn't a neighborhood meeting.

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It was more like a show and tell held by Pat Neill and all his people telling us what was

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going to happen.

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No commissioners present, there was no community input, there was no debate.

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These so-called workshops need to be a highly publicized, held in public spaces with community

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the input questions and answers in regards to the projects with commissioners present.

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The upcoming so-called workshop on rezoning property on MBR East is scheduled as a Zoom

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call.

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This is ridiculous.

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The whole point of a community meeting is to get the community out to attend and voice

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their concerns directly and get answers.

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The Zoom call doesn't have the same impact as in person meeting.

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It is this we don't really want to hear from the community. The community that

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elected you, the community that pays your salaries. To us out here it seems like

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you're trying to dodge our input. Just as you've done here in these meetings when

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you push public comment to the end of the day, then you work yourselves through

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the lunch hour and end early to avoid hearing from those of us that were pushed

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to the end of the day. I've been there. I've been here. It's happened to me.

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We see

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What's happening here? It's very apparent. We are not fools. We all voted you into office, and we will certainly be voting you out of office.

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I don't get why you're so hell-bent on pushing all this development in Anglewood and Venice. You're pushing it down our throats.

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We don't want it. The people are fed up with it all. You hear about it all over the state. Over development, over development.

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in the impact that we have.

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We don't have the infrastructure to handle it.

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We don't have the drainage capacity.

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We have more and more flooding that we never had before,

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taking of the wetlands and the natural drains

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that take care of the flood waters is disappearing by development.

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We now have communities suing Sarasota County

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over flooding in their communities.

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The traffic is at nightmare at all times of the day and night.

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Accidents everywhere.

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We're taking your life into your hands every day

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on the Sarasota County roads and interstates.

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A prime example of this very process is MBR road extension.

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Spending taxpayer money on a road that the people in this community do not want, do not need.

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I've spoken in the past about this at this very chamber.

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In the overcrowded beach, the overcrowded parking, and the issues that go with that.

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That's too late to do the right thing.

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Stop this road.

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So, Lotus Ramirez,

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and I may call the last two cars.

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I have a Martin Hyde and Barb, maybe, that's all right.

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Good morning, my name is Lorde's Ramirez.

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I'm representing Kona.

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I want to talk about three things in the three minutes.

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First, if we're serious about protecting our neighborhoods,

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then we have to be serious about enforcement.

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On illegal rentals, we don't need more regulations.

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We already have them, what we need is some enforcement.

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And that means investing in additional personnel

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to keep up with all the illegal rentals.

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Second, I imagine there may be a discussion

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about the Liv Local Act during the county attorney's reports,

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especially following his recent memo.

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I want to specifically reference page seven

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of that memo under contextual framework.

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The county attorney's office acknowledges

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that the law may be interpreted to require

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that a parcel may be meaningfully zoned

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as commercial industrial or mixed use,

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not merely because they have some limited

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non-residential uses in RE or OUE districts, and that's an important distinction.

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And for the record, I'm also relying on a legal analysis by well-known land use attorney

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Richard Grasso, who has opined that the presence of certain uses in RE and OUE districts

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does not make those districts commercial.

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But the use is being cited, animal boarding, stables, planners, or even some veterinary

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uses are being labeled as non-residential, but that does not make them commercial.

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In fact, these uses are categorized by the property appraisal.

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I understand that there is concern about litigation. But the real question is not whether we might get sued. The real issue is the cost of getting this wrong. If higher density is allowed in these areas, we are talking about major infrastructure impacts, roads, roads.

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emergency services, that is tens of millions of dollars of infrastructure costs.

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So this is not just a legal issue, it's a fiscally responsible issue.

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Hillsboro County has chosen to legally challenge the state because they believe the

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LEAF Local Act conflicts with the Community Planning Act, and that is a responsible way to see clarity.

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And even the City of Sarasota has listed on their website commercial industrial misuse districts that are applicable under the act.

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And we also must remember the comprehensive plan still matters.

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So I really recommend enforcement on illegal rentals and proper application of the Live Local Act.

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And protect our community from unintended consequences.

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And finally, for the third, we also support commission or smith's recommendation to return to in person, perhaps hybrid workshops.

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I will be distributing documents that include grassos and conas memo, a list of NICS categories and

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city of Sarasota live local page. Thank you.

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Thank you. Martin Hyde.

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Good morning, everyone. April is National County Government Month.

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What should we bring? More taxes? By way of example, Manatee County today is looking for

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board approval for a new contract for its administrator. The salary is admittedly 12% less than

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the Sarasota Administrator gets, but still 250 grand on top of which is a car allowance

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and 30 days of paid time off. The parts in that which are relevant to you two are the

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most disturbing, which is that he is asked for a clause, which means it requires a super

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majority to remove him. Interestingly, any unused paid time off can be, quote, unquote, banked

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indefinitely. That means if he took three weeks a year off instead of the six he's entitled to,

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he'd be paid twice for the unused three weeks on retirement or dismissal,

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so possibly over $75,000 at the end in five years.

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Taken logically, that is a 5% plus bump in pay accumulating as some kind of hidden gold and handshake.

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The reason I mention it is, I believe, you have a similar system here for everyone.

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That is in staff interest, but it is not in taxpayer's interest in the same way that 14

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percent plus taxpayer funded FRS pension contributions are in staff interest.

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As are negligible contribution, blue ribbon health care plans that many of your constituents

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could only dream of.

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The Sarasota school board is presently laying off over 200 staff per class because they

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live beyond their means.

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They have six assistant superintendents now where they are used to have two.

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This them and us thing has to stop.

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Taxpayers are tired of providing a better living for public servants than they have for themselves.

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This board serves constituents not staff.

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Paying a fair wage for a fair good job is fine.

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98 grand into a pension for an administrator making 80, 280 grand a year, not so much.

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There are dozens of county employees making 150 grand plus benefits of 75 grand while

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you constituents worry about the price of gas.

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This is why property tax reform is popular.

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You are not elected to be friends with the administration, you are elected to do the best

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you can for taxpayers.

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Stop concerning yourself with whether staff will like policies and start thinking about whether your constituents will.

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As it stands, many of us don't, and the consequences of that will be felt this year and in 2028 at the ballot box.

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If you all don't shape up, it will be most of you getting the proverbial cardboard box to remove your belongings from your office in due course.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Barb, maybe?

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Maybe.

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Okay.

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Got it.

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Good morning.

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I apologize for earlier.

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I couldn't get my phone to shut off.

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And I'll do those 10 push-ups later.

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Commissioners, since you don't come to Manusota Beach, we want you to see the opposition

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that Pat Niel states, and as clearly stated, does not exist.

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Killy?

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There is opposition to the way you are doing business in this county.

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We oppose all the building without updated infrastructure.

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We as citizens are asked to conserve, we are asked to conserve on a daily basis.

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As a matter of fact, we are now in a level three water conservation issue for all of us.

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We're not even allowed to water our grass except on certain days or secar do anything else

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here.

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And yet, you set up there and approved development after development.

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You seem to ignore the fact that no one in this area is interested in more development.

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You approve and we the citizens pay for the developer to get richer.

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We have to pay to build the roads to their mega subdivisions.

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We have to pay for all the infrastructure that needs to be put into place once they get

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these things built.

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It all ends up on us on something we didn't want.

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It's time for you to realize that the wasteful spending and the emptying of every green space

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we have left in this county is bad for our town and for the people in this town.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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All right.

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With that, we're going to move to the consent section of our agenda.

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We have consent items 2 through 12.

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No commissioners indicated they want any item pulled that I'm aware of and so with that looking

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for a motion, you would do it.

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You would do that.

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So looking for a motion for consent agenda items 2 through 12.

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So motion by Commissioner Smith, do you have a second?

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Second by Commissioner Nunder, being no further discussion, go ahead and call the question on favor.

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Aye.

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Chair votes, aye, that moves forward unanimously.

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All right, with that, we'll move on to our discussion section, planning and development services.

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Provide policy direction on illegal rentals, and for that we have Mr. Ostrout.

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morning.

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Morning Chair, commissioners for the record matters around the director of the

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county's planning development services department. Are you able to see actually it looks like

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we're still not on the screen. If I could have a little there we go. Okay. But today's

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conversation is on vacation rentals. There's a little bit of backdrop the board most recently

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talked about this concept back on February 11th to arrange your workshop on CS to key.

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and as part of that workshop, the Board did request today's discussion item.

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And this topic has been a topic of concern and interest of the Board for many years now.

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It goes underneath the title of vacation rentals, sometimes it's short-term rentals, sometimes

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it's even transient accommodations, those terms are used synomously, sometimes in this conversation.

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But the Board has talked about this several times.

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Not going to go through this list, this is in your packet.

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The Board has not just requested information, but you've taken action several times as

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part as the county code. One of the things that you did actually was increase the opportunity

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for penalties for illegal short-term rentals. You've also at one point in time added the

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provision regarding advertisement and I'm going to come back to that later in my conversation

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today with you about how advertising illegal rentals is a violation by itself. So, this

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information is all in the report especially for our viewing audience so it's all online.

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So these are the county's rental regulations that's contained within the Unified Development

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element code, section 124, 131. This is word for word on your screen. You can see here

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that rental of dwelling units in those zoning districts at the top and bold are the ones

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that we're talking about. And the real interesting point, of course, here is A1. Dwelling units

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may be rented as a whole for periods of greater than 30 days, provided that its dwelling units

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shall not be rented more than once every 30 days. Now, we do have one place zoning district

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which is RMF that does allow for shorter durations than the 30 days.

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So I'm going to come back to that with regard to a state preemption about how you can change that,

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can you change that, what does that mean, so forth.

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If you look down to the bottom of your slide here, number five is the one the board most recently amended the county code

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to say that any attempt made to solicit advertised is in itself a violation.

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And I'm going to come back to that regarding enforcement.

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So this is the state preemption that exists in Section 509-0327B of the Florida Statutes.

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I'm just going to go ahead and read it for the record.

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A local law ordinance or regulation may not prohibit vacation rentals or regulate the duration or frequency of rental but vacation rentals.

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The next line is applicable to us.

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This paragraph does not apply to any local law ordinance or regulation adopted honor before June 2011.

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That's us. Our rental regulations preceded that. So you've been able to keep that regulation on the books and be enforceable

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Regardless of that state law change right there. So long as that grandfather and provision remains you'll be able to enforce your regulations

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If you did not do that there is no time limit in the state

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whatsoever. So

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If you wanted to change it from 30 to 20 the state law would say no, you can't do that. The only thing you can do is either keep it the same or

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where you can dump it and just defer to the state on it.

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Those are your options.

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As a result, you can't change the dirt,

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rake, or frequency, but I'm going to come back

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to a concept called registration programs a little bit later

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because that does not regulate the duration or frequency.

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That's an administrative procedure.

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This slide here just talks about the normal code enforcement

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process that we go through in the counting.

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This is relating to short-term rentals,

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but it's also relating to things like improper outdoor storage,

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unpermated work, and so forth.

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In general, we do receive complaints from neighborhoods about illegal rentals, and that's

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really how we focus on certain types of neighborhoods that might have that problem occurring.

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While we do initiate our own investigation, that's where they generally come from, it's

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from a complaint.

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Then we start with something called a notice of violation pursuant to our code that gives

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a certain amount of time, usually it's 30 days to comply, then you go to something called

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an affidavit of violation if they haven't complied, that's usually about 30 days, and then

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Then you move to what's called a special magistrate hearing, that special magistrate acts

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as a quasi-judge, and therefore they make an actual finding of violation and then impose

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those fees or penalties that go along with it.

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Now when you're talking about that process, that could easily be 90 days, so that is not

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a quick fix, if you will, that county code is not designed to do that, it's designed to

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be able to have evidence provided and therefore go through that judicial process.

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As I referenced earlier, those fines were increased many years ago by this board to say that

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if you do have some sort of egregious behavior that's irreparably causing harm to a neighborhood,

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you can increase those fines pursuant to the special magistrate.

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So they do have that ability right now to levy harder fines, as well as if you have something

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called a repeat violation.

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If you do have a repeat violation, which is called a recurrence, we're able to smooth line streamline

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that process and go right back to the special magistrate who can then impose fines.

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Now, this is the flip side of that.

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There are some challenges with regards to enforcement.

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In order to be successful in court, we have to have substantial evidence.

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Those things are listed right there on the bullets, right?

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Whether it's be receipts, bookings, records, lease agreements, we do have witnesses participate.

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We do have neighbors who get involved in that code enforcement procedure and say, I am willing

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to testify at a magistrate hearing.

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That is also a very helpful substantial evidence.

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So, neighbors, and I mentioned the advertisements, advertisements of rentals is alone a violation

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pursuant to the county code, and staff has made progress in implementing it just based

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on that advertisement.

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Now, one of the interesting parts about that is advertisements don't usually say I'm at

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555, you know, this street.

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They don't say that.

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I myself have used rental platforms and going on vacations, and same thing, you only find

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the address once you're actually through the process, and the owner is saying this.

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Now, they do have pictures online and staff are able to go through those pictures and say,

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okay, that is that property that we're talking about and has been successful in just using the advertisement.

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Generally speaking, people learn pretty quickly and they're adjusting their advertisements based on that implementation of the code.

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So now, one thing that I mentioned earlier is the registration program.

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Some communities have adopted this. It's not universally being adopted.

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but many communities in our areas such as the City of Sarasota,

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Annamaria Island and Collier County serve as local examples.

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So a registration program in itself is not statutory preempted by the state statute that I mentioned earlier.

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So long as that program does not regulate the frequency or duration, that's that 30-day period.

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And that third bullet, this is a really important piece.

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A program for registration could be simply focused on requiring that a rental probably register with the county.

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It might have an applicable fee or that local governing body could add other additional

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regulatory requirements.

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You could have things like who is the responsible party for the rental.

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That's a pretty easy administrative thing.

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Maybe it's not the property owner, maybe it's an agent that manages the property, but you

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could also include other things like ongoing inspections, parking arrangements, macular

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occupancies.

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There's a lot of other regulations that local governments have applied.

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So if you're thinking about a registration program and I have one slide to think about that in a second

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There's a mere act of doing a registration program and then there's the layers of regulations you want to hide a part of that registration program

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One thing that other communities have done to help track all of this, because as you can imagine, we have several thousand in Sarasota County from a rental standpoint. Other communities would be the same. There are software programs that are out there that help manage that inventory of rentals, as well as the required administrative procedures. Let's say you have an annual renewal requirement. How does that administrative process? So there are software programs out there that help local government manage those types of situations. And as you can imagine, the cost of that software would depend on how complex the system is.

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want? Do you just want people to register or do you want to also have these other reoccurring

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things like inspections and so forth? Now this is the list that I put into the board packet

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regarding if you were thinking about doing a registration program here for unincorporated

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service at accounting these are the things that you probably want to consider and of course if you

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want to consider these things we probably need to provide you an updated report on that. First and

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foremost we do have a set code enforcement team that have certain types of areas for their

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code enforcement zones, if you did want to implement a registration program, we would most

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likely need staffing resources. As an example, it's my understanding the City of Cirrus

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that I have a handful of staff that manage their registration program that's outside of

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their normal code enforcement. So that's something that, how many? We'd have to take a look at

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and really do that analysis to say that it would take two staff, three staff. What is that

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number of staff that would adequately manage a program? You talk about the registration

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software. We'd probably want to bring back some information on what software is available,

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what do they offer, who's the best practice, and what not.

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Ultimately, that would all relate back to a budget amendment as far as the cost.

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There would also be a flipside cost to the property owners who would have to comply with the regulations that you then put on the books through that county code amendment.

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Ultimately, there would be a communications plan that would have to go out to the public to inform them of this change.

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And then from a timeline standpoint, if you did want to go through that process to create a communication program,

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all the way back to the staff and resource on this slide.

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We're talking about nine to 12 months.

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So if you were to give guidance today,

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we'd probably talk about nine to 12 months

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to get to a registration program.

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But with that, today's conversation

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is really board policy direction.

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I'm just here to answer any questions that you may have

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and staff will certainly proceed

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with implementing your direction.

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In the meantime, we'll enforce as I outline

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to hear in the presentation today.

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So with that chair, I'm glad to answer any questions

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that you may have.

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Okay, thank you, Commissioner Smith.

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Yes, on the board.

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Yeah, thank you, Matt.

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And thank you for the reports and I know Deja Vu for you

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considering the number of times this and previous boys

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brought it up.

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But I would hope that maybe we're gonna make this bring this in

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for a landing this time.

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I'm having experienced living and working on CSDK

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for over 30 some odd years.

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and talking to the folks out there about the short-term rental issue. I believe strongly

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that we do need a registration program.

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And in that program, I believe we need to include

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include in their parking, on-site parking requirements, and as well as maximum occupancy.

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And in hearing you, my thoughts are in favor of pursuing the software to aid an assist

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in this.

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And I understand this is going to be additional staffing.

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And my hope is that perhaps with the registration fees and subsequent penalties, I'm sure that we're going to be out there, especially initially that that would help offset the cost of those additional staff members.

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So, I guess I would keep that in mind when you come back with your report saying that the

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board requests that, that whatever fees you think would help reduce the budget, you know,

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hit by doing this would be appreciated.

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I know you're going to have to figure out how much staff and so on and so forth.

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There's a lot of math to do here.

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But anyway, I'm totally in favor of a registration program and feel it's been necessary and it's time for us to join our neighbors and doing that.

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Thank you.

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All right, Commissioner Mast.

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Thank you, Chair.

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There's just a few questions that I have from the perspective of some experience that how many times this has come in front of us.

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So if a house is currently homestead exempted, and now they turn it into a or a portion of it into a short-term rental.

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Do you know what happens to that homestead exemption?

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So there is sharing of data between our agencies, but I am not the expert on that commissioner.

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Because my understanding is that they lose their homestead exemption.

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I don't know what I'm supposed to do here. There we go. I do know during the time that we were providing federal funds to those who wanted rental assistance, that when they told us they wanted rental assistance and they had homestead.

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We reported that to the property appraiser, and that does cause a problem for their status of homestead.

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Thank you.

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So that's something that I want to make sure that those of us that are making this decision to understand because some of our citizens may not understand that and I would not want them to have that type of impact can be quite a shock to that $50,000 being taken off your tax bill.

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So the other thing is, I wholeheartedly agree with the number of individuals because one of the number one concerns especially in my district has been complaints when a house is rented and multiple families then are there and it becomes very problematic to the neighborhood as a whole from the perspective of most homes or single family homes.

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and when you start ending up with 6, 8, 10, 12 cars, it does cause a bit of a riff in communities

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whether a deed restricted or non-need restricted.

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Because if it's deed restricted, then I think we'll let them deal with their own internal

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issues.

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If it's a non-need restricted community, we are now basically taking onus of that.

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Another concern that I have is that when it comes to either the 30 days or nothing, that's

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a pretty big jump especially for a lot of,

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this is a mixed bag.

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You have those that are very supportive of it and you have those that are like, we don't

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need more rentals because it increases traffic, it does all kinds of things.

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So, I think that needs to be very clearly understood before that is just implemented.

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And then the other thing that's very interesting is if you look at like Airbnb and VRBO and

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some of the other platforms, my understanding is I went back to my notes and I looked at

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it when the property browser was here, he said that he gets like a once a year payment from

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from those that have collected the taxes, so to speak.

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But he said there's absolutely no way to verify what those are for.

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So it's just in a one-lumps check.

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So if there was a registration, at least he could try and merge who is participated and paid and who is not.

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So I think that's something we have to really think about.

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Last but not least, I looked into the cities, they have increased their prices for

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their registration to continue to support staff

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because of the impact that it's had on their budget.

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And so I would want to be very cautious on that

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because I believe what the intent of this is

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is so that we can remove some bad actors

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and not necessarily punish those that are abiding

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by the rules and regulations.

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And so for me, I would want to be very thoughtful of that

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because I think what it happens then is you are no longer

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You're incentivizing people, you're kind of punishing those that are playing by the rules.

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So those are just some of my thoughts, thank you Chair.

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Okay, Commissioner Knight, very similar Matt.

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And I kind of look at it more from operational is when your group is built in a case on somebody,

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it's probably not that easy to build a case, right, to break people to compliance.

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is that why we're here in such so much such public comments on this is that I

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don't believe that it's that easy to the Edith's call code enforcement you

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come up and shut them down that that's why we're here today. So if you get the

663
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:34,580
new software and everything how much do you think that that will cure the problem

664
00:54:34,580 --> 00:54:38,120
of I've used in the software I know you probably looked at different

665
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:42,620
and organizations, different governmental bodies, doing this.

666
00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:44,600
One, for me, it's got to be net neutral.

667
00:54:44,900 --> 00:54:46,860
Our budget is 1.6 growth.

668
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:50,280
And if we're going to come in at that, we can't have a budget.

669
00:54:50,500 --> 00:54:52,540
So of course, you guys are always hearing about the budget, right?

670
00:54:53,780 --> 00:54:56,200
So certainly net neutral on the budget, for me,

671
00:54:57,740 --> 00:54:59,300
what does that look like in other communities

672
00:54:59,300 --> 00:55:00,340
about this software?

673
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:04,400
Would that take kind of a computer driven person,

674
00:55:04,580 --> 00:55:07,480
my old life, we had these people for our intellectual

675
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:12,700
the policing stuff that were just different type of people that could read all that data and

676
00:55:12,700 --> 00:55:16,800
understand that do you are you able to use that with the type of team you have now or what's

677
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:20,680
that look like from the hiring process of the type of person you would need to operate this type of

678
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:28,500
software. From a tech standpoint I'm going to go and reverse order right there. When you look at

679
00:55:28,500 --> 00:55:33,280
the staffing that would be needed to implement this program my initial hunch is that it's more on the

680
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:38,320
business side, right? It's managing data, it's managing inventory and that's not

681
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:43,000
necessarily the same skills as a code enforcement officer. So that would have

682
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:46,040
to be analyzed. I'm really interested to see how other municipalities have

683
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:49,260
set it up, what kind of skill sets they need. But when you think about it from that

684
00:55:49,260 --> 00:55:53,100
perspective, my hunch is probably more on the business administration side rather

685
00:55:53,100 --> 00:55:57,240
than a new code enforcement officer. That's just because of the data management,

686
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:01,500
right? Curving behavior is still at the heart of one of your questions that you

687
00:56:01,500 --> 00:56:02,380
we were just talking about.

688
00:56:03,380 --> 00:56:05,420
I haven't talked with some of these jurisdictions

689
00:56:05,420 --> 00:56:07,860
to see whether or not the behavior change

690
00:56:07,860 --> 00:56:09,760
or they're just simply making sure

691
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:10,820
that their properties are registered.

692
00:56:11,220 --> 00:56:12,160
Those are two different things.

693
00:56:13,220 --> 00:56:14,540
One, you could be fully compliant

694
00:56:14,540 --> 00:56:15,700
with their registration program

695
00:56:15,700 --> 00:56:17,160
and still causing a neighborhood nuisance.

696
00:56:18,580 --> 00:56:20,180
Now, one of the big things still is,

697
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,420
you might still have a notice the violation that goes out,

698
00:56:23,540 --> 00:56:24,640
get it to a special magistrate

699
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:25,860
and that kind of court proceeding

700
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:28,620
and the special magistrate may even do a penalty

701
00:56:28,620 --> 00:56:30,720
which is a lien on the property, a recurring.

702
00:56:31,700 --> 00:56:34,740
It still might be part of the, just cost of doing business for somebody

703
00:56:34,740 --> 00:56:36,540
if they're still making the amount of money they're making.

704
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:39,320
Those are still all factors that play into.

705
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:42,720
If you do a registration program, you might get some real positives out of it.

706
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,600
You might still have some issues that are still going on,

707
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:47,100
with that's with any regulation.

708
00:56:47,720 --> 00:56:50,580
You can get a certain success rate automatically with the regulation

709
00:56:50,580 --> 00:56:52,600
and then you just have the noncompliance.

710
00:56:52,600 --> 00:57:03,560
Yes, that was my big issue is if we create more operations, is that definitely going to provide the relief, the expectations of the community?

711
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:09,460
Is it very real? Are they seeing that? Well, this software, how big is that going to make your workforce?

712
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:13,640
But how does that work together with your code enforcement team and these other type of people?

713
00:57:13,860 --> 00:57:18,700
That's what I was thinking for my whole life is. This group's here, they give it to this group here.

714
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:23,080
Is that going to solve the behavioral issues that we're looking at solving?

715
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:28,660
Or I don't want to give a false security to people that we're going to fix this problem at a board meeting.

716
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:30,780
I mean, what are your thoughts on that?

717
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:35,360
I mean, do you believe you're still researching it or what are your thoughts about the ability to research it?

718
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:39,980
One thing is, don't think of those two separate teams that be part of the same team as just different skill sets.

719
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:40,320
Right.

720
00:57:40,740 --> 00:57:45,800
Now, one thing that most registration programs have done that's very helpful is,

721
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:49,960
I mentioned earlier, they say that you have to have a designated point of contact that's

722
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:50,940
available all the time.

723
00:57:51,940 --> 00:57:56,180
Code enforcement's biggest challenge always is when they get compliant or even are proactive,

724
00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:01,160
finding the responsible person for that rental just takes time by itself.

725
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:03,100
And rentals are temporal, right?

726
00:58:03,220 --> 00:58:04,040
People come and they go.

727
00:58:04,180 --> 00:58:07,500
And if you don't, if you aren't able to take an action document while it's happening,

728
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:08,680
it's already gone.

729
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:14,580
So having an inventory of those registration rental properties that then has a designated

730
00:58:14,580 --> 00:58:19,160
a point person, co-inforcement isn't able to pick up that number and call them 24 hours a day

731
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:24,540
and say, I'm having a problem with your registration rental. So that bypasses a lot of the process right there.

732
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:29,200
The way I see it, Krippner Wong, we're looking for a resolution, so we're kind of asking you about

733
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:37,800
to square one about a different way to monitor this, and what's that look like, what's the cost

734
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:43,820
going to be how big your team going to be, and certainly we want those people to have

735
00:58:43,820 --> 00:58:47,680
relief and protect their property and people. I want them living next to me to be quite

736
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:53,280
honest for what I pay for my house. And so, yeah, we want our citizens to have relief,

737
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:59,800
we want it, but we, to me, I've learned over my 34 years in my fourth term in elected positions

738
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:04,880
that creating a unit doesn't solve the problem. Is that making sure that it's well researched

739
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:12,800
and look at that we know, or you know, you can come to us and say I'm confident that we can cure this issue of the bad actors.

740
00:59:13,780 --> 00:59:19,340
And that we can do this with this amount of money needs and here's where we can provide that.

741
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:23,120
Where do you want the money to come from, board, do you want to create more revenue?

742
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:27,980
Or do you want to cost zero of the people who are going to participate, pay for it?

743
00:59:27,980 --> 00:59:34,040
So I kind of agree that we need to move forward with a lot of things you've heard here.

744
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:38,280
I think you know we'll wrap with that is, but certainly I would like to see it being net zero.

745
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:42,520
I won't be in favor of creating any new programs or going to take anything from a general fund

746
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:49,120
or any type of funding sources that has to be one for me, at least one person or five,

747
00:59:49,500 --> 00:59:57,800
and to trust your thoughts on whatever that program looks like if you believe it can create better actors

748
00:59:57,800 --> 00:59:59,460
better behavior out in the community.

749
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:29,320
And then we kind of work off of your lead with it and go from there. So creating a new unit doesn't always resolve the issue. It's part of the program. But, you know, when you research these other governmental bodies, has it resolved their issues or not? I mean, your boots on the ground, you know best. That's where I'm at with it. And we don't want to create something that's not effective and have a fault since the security of the people who are relying on us to help them. So, that's all I have, Chair. Thank you. Thank you. Commissioner Nunder.

750
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:31,080
Thank you, Chair.

751
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:33,840
Thanks, Matt, for bringing this forward.

752
01:00:34,020 --> 01:00:37,480
I just kind of wanted to get a little more down the rabbit hole, maybe on the software

753
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:37,960
component.

754
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:44,200
And my question would be, is there going to be an opportunity for the public to kind

755
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:45,220
of self-police here?

756
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:49,160
Do you know, for example, you know, you have some bad actors in your neighborhood?

757
01:00:49,580 --> 01:00:53,760
Will they have the ability to self-report and go ahead and highlight some of these properties

758
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:58,360
for then the point of contact that might be created without the staff level to go ahead

759
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:03,200
I had to investigate, and so just, I was curious if you knew how powerful the software was.

760
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:09,880
Based on AI and technology, is this going to be something that might be fairly streamlined and

761
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:15,200
effective in a short period of time, or do you feel like something with the components of the software

762
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:16,160
it might take a little longer?

763
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:21,660
That for me is something I'd like to know, but I support moving this forward for

764
01:01:21,660 --> 01:01:27,880
sure, because I know from the half of the key that I represent, there are residents there that have had conversations with me about

765
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:34,620
I'm happy to at least move it forward, and then also if there is a way to quantify what the

766
01:01:34,620 --> 01:01:39,860
additional staffing cost would be. How much the software is, as far as the one-time fees

767
01:01:39,860 --> 01:01:45,380
at annual licensing, and then of course some of the more appropriate fines and or fees that

768
01:01:45,380 --> 01:01:50,120
will be collected from the bad actors. For me, just kind of getting a little more granular in that

769
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:55,040
area would be helpful to have a thoughtful discussion on it. I appreciate I don't have the answer

770
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:56,620
those questions, but I wrote them down in a moment.

771
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:08,380
I'll start by saying I'm always very hesitant to start a new government level bureaucracy.

772
01:02:10,380 --> 01:02:13,740
I think we need to be very careful and very thoughtful if we're going to do that because

773
01:02:13,740 --> 01:02:19,020
we need to understand completely what that means and you've listed a lot of things but we don't

774
01:02:19,020 --> 01:02:22,880
have any numbers or understanding of what that really looks like.

775
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:28,680
I would absolutely agree with Commissioner Knight that whatever it is whatever registration program

776
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:31,420
we need we if we move that forward it has to pay for itself

777
01:02:31,420 --> 01:02:37,840
I mean if you you know in all areas of government if you're getting a permit you pay a fee to cover the cost of

778
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:44,740
Implementing that and moving through the process same thing for me here would be if we do registration the other issue is

779
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:52,440
From his public safety you talk a lot about you know the home being safe and secure home with of probably needing a

780
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:58,740
You know, some sort of minimal inspection or something to verify that these things are safe.

781
01:02:58,980 --> 01:03:05,460
The pool has a cover and a fence and we've got a fire extinguisher and you know the things are safe for Reynolds.

782
01:03:05,700 --> 01:03:09,000
So that's important to me as well.

783
01:03:09,540 --> 01:03:20,500
And the other issue is I'm wondering, you know, so when they do a 30-day rental then they collect whatever amount of dollars, $5,000 or whatever for that rental.

784
01:03:21,220 --> 01:03:24,580
They pay a 6% tourist development tax on that, don't they?

785
01:03:26,620 --> 01:03:28,000
I see somebody with their pencil on it.

786
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:32,140
They didn't want to interrupt the board, but hand in hand with this issue that's independent

787
01:03:32,140 --> 01:03:37,080
from code enforcement is there is no effective way to audit whether you are getting your tourist

788
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:40,680
tax monies and you've accepted responsibility to collect it.

789
01:03:41,300 --> 01:03:46,180
So we have agreements out there which need to be really redone in my opinion.

790
01:03:46,180 --> 01:03:59,320
what the tax collector was talking about, really that one lump sum he was talking about was a lump sum self-reported failure to comply by a platform.

791
01:03:59,940 --> 01:04:12,880
And they made a payment that looked similar to the agreement that they made with the state to pay back taxes based upon their self-reporting.

792
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:17,760
And it really has to do with which intuitively it doesn't sound accurate, but it is.

793
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:24,680
You are owing the tax at the time you reserve the place, not the time you occupy it.

794
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:39,640
So if you reserve it before you occupy it, which everybody does, and if it's a substantial time that tax starts ticking from there, I cannot audit this stuff because there's no numbers to go back to.

795
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:46,300
I don't know how many they're out there, and the platforms some do alleged to collect and some don't.

796
01:04:46,580 --> 01:04:52,420
So, you know, to be effective and to be in compliance, we really have to have the registration,

797
01:04:53,900 --> 01:04:58,880
otherwise it's impossible to do. Right now we have a letter out to one of the platforms

798
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:04,480
asking them to comply with the current agreement. We haven't received the data. We're asking for

799
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:11,300
five years of data and then we'll see if we can do anything with the data to go back to tying to

800
01:05:13,100 --> 01:05:19,200
income that came into the county. So yeah, I raised the issue because I wonder how much of

801
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:26,400
this is going on reported and it could be very significant. So I completely grand know the task

802
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:30,420
collector is saying look we move forward this we need to work together to get these things

803
01:05:30,420 --> 01:06:00,300
which is set correctly so for that alone the registration thing makes sense then just to be able to know how many of these are being rented, what kind of money is being spent and whether or not we're collecting that tax so for me that's a big issue so what work with you you're talking about updating some of the some of the we just need to work together Matt and I've been talking about this I'm happy to go look at the city to understand what they've done and how effective it's been.

804
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:04,060
but whatever systems built, let's do it together.

805
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:07,100
So it maximizes the benefit to the county.

806
01:06:07,700 --> 01:06:12,280
Yeah, and I think, you know, given our data-driven society,

807
01:06:13,060 --> 01:06:14,600
some sort of software program is gonna be

808
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:16,660
absolutely necessary to track this and follow up.

809
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:18,480
So it seems to me that that would be part of it.

810
01:06:18,500 --> 01:06:20,640
So it seems like we all have work to do here,

811
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:23,620
but I think ultimately that makes a lot of sense then.

812
01:06:24,620 --> 01:06:27,020
So what's the pleasure of the board here?

813
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:27,600
What do we do?

814
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:39,560
We move forward with, get a motion here and maybe move forward with the beginnings of a registration program coming back to us with the next steps, Jonathan and Jen.

815
01:06:40,540 --> 01:06:57,260
Yeah, so what would be useful is if you give us where you guys think you're heading, understand any formal program is not only going to have to be coordinated as the clerk said, we have other entities, we have to work, yeah, that we would have to work with, but if you get it, it's hard for us to start building something out of you.

816
01:06:57,260 --> 01:06:59,920
We don't give us the framework of, hey, this is what we think we want.

817
01:07:01,180 --> 01:07:05,440
And then the questions commissioned or none are, well, we don't even have that conceptualized yet.

818
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:09,060
That would have to be part of anything that would come back to you all.

819
01:07:09,660 --> 01:07:14,300
I think it would be as another discussion item before you implement a public here.

820
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:22,680
So some consensus or vote around, yeah, this is where we think we're going.

821
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:27,100
We're knowing that you'll have the opportunity to review, edit, approve or disapprove as we go forward.

822
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:37,300
Okay, I've got everybody on the board, but Mr. Smith has hit his button first, so commission Smith, and if we want to have a motion, then have a follow-up discussion that we find as well.

823
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:40,760
Sure, I'd be more than happy to make the motion,

824
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:51,620
and in that, Matt, it's obviously imperative that your department work with the clerk of the court and with the property tax collector.

825
01:07:52,580 --> 01:07:58,400
because we're talking about enterprises that can collect between $5,000 to $10,000 a week.

826
01:07:58,940 --> 01:08:00,860
So it's a-

827
01:08:00,860 --> 01:08:01,420
Is that your motion?

828
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:02,000
Yes.

829
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:06,280
That's kind of unclear, so make that concise.

830
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:15,360
All right, I'll just make a motion to direct Matt to work with the clerk of the court in

831
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:19,420
from the property appraiser's office, and come back.

832
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:21,780
Thanks so much, I'm sorry, thanks so much to his office.

833
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:22,760
Bring it back.

834
01:08:22,940 --> 01:08:24,980
And bring back to the board for discussion, I don't know.

835
01:08:25,180 --> 01:08:25,980
Okay, I'll second it.

836
01:08:26,100 --> 01:08:27,380
Okay, we have motion and a second.

837
01:08:27,500 --> 01:08:29,760
Further discussion, Commissioner Knight.

838
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:32,440
Just real quick, thanks Mark.

839
01:08:32,780 --> 01:08:33,660
I'm on board with it.

840
01:08:34,020 --> 01:08:38,600
I think when you bring it back, keep it as much under one roof as we can.

841
01:08:38,740 --> 01:08:40,960
When you start getting three or four different organizations and

842
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:44,220
our operations that I was on both sides of the fence.

843
01:08:44,220 --> 01:08:51,220
It's like it's so whatever working with everybody that even the motion was made to work with but when you bring something back to us

844
01:08:51,220 --> 01:08:56,880
I would like to see it as much under one roof that the this organization's roof that makes it easier for us to

845
01:08:57,640 --> 01:09:03,240
Retrieve information have provide guidance without having to go through two or three different operations or organizations

846
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:06,160
So that's all that I agree with moving it forward

847
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:06,920
Sheriff

848
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:07,840
I may also clarify

849
01:09:08,660 --> 01:09:14,120
That in addition to of course working with the clerk the tax collector and property prazer's office throughout this

850
01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:19,000
process. When we come back, you'd be looking for more information on how is the city of

851
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:24,400
Syracida doing, how effective has it been, what are the software types of options, all

852
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:28,480
of the things that we've talked about. As part of the registration program, as a package

853
01:09:28,480 --> 01:09:30,260
for you to look at. Okay, great.

854
01:09:30,300 --> 01:09:30,680
Mr. Mayor.

855
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:38,120
Thank you. I also think it would be imperative that as we move through the question and

856
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:42,820
research, is that when you come back to do your presentation, it would be very helpful

857
01:09:42,820 --> 01:09:51,020
to have those other elected officials present because there's going to be very specific questions

858
01:09:51,020 --> 01:09:54,900
that we might ask and it doesn't put you in a precarious situation than to answer it.

859
01:09:55,340 --> 01:09:57,800
And I think full transparency is always very helpful.

860
01:09:58,820 --> 01:10:00,240
I just want to be very clear.

861
01:10:00,440 --> 01:10:03,620
I think there are going to be two areas that are going to be huge for our citizens.

862
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:09,200
If they lose their homestead exemption on this, that is critical to a lot of individuals

863
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:14,940
individuals that are not aware that that might be part of the impact if it's implemented.

864
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:24,240
And second of all, if it cannot be one that is self-sustained without a continually increase

865
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:30,380
to those that are participating and not being the bad actors, then I think you're implementing

866
01:10:30,380 --> 01:10:34,540
things just to pay for bad actors and not those that are playing by the rules.

867
01:10:35,220 --> 01:10:36,180
So that's important.

868
01:10:36,580 --> 01:10:36,880
Thank you.

869
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:39,700
Okay, so we have a motion in a second.

870
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:43,800
I think we've had a good discussion about this, so I'm going to call the question all in favor.

871
01:10:44,020 --> 01:10:44,140
Aye.

872
01:10:45,020 --> 01:10:45,960
Chair votes, aye.

873
01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:47,280
That moves forward unanimously.

874
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:48,100
Thank you, Chair.

875
01:10:48,260 --> 01:10:48,840
All right, thank you, Matt.

876
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:53,680
All right, moving on to our public hearings, presentations upon request.

877
01:10:53,980 --> 01:10:58,620
Item 14, parks for recreation natural resources, to adopt a resolution.

878
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:04,680
Budget amendment number B, 2026-041, amending the fiscal year 2026 budget,

879
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:17,440
to appropriate funding to capital improvement program project number 85021 playgrounds and shade structures program to in the amount of $223,000 and for that we have Sean Yeager.

880
01:11:20,260 --> 01:11:33,160
Sir? It is a PUR. So does any commissioner request a full presentation? We do have a quick question. I knew that that's why I called you up Sean.

881
01:11:34,480 --> 01:11:35,320
Thank you, Chair.

882
01:11:36,460 --> 01:11:38,940
Sean, my question for you is really, really simple.

883
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:48,280
When we, when we see these come forward, could you in the future please show what the increase percentage wise to your annual budget it does so that it helps us to understand.

884
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:58,740
Once we approve something, it's like a .001% increase to your overall budget for the year, because I think they start to add up after a while and it'd be helpful for me.

885
01:11:58,740 --> 01:11:58,820
Thank you.

886
01:11:59,120 --> 01:11:59,580
Absolutely.

887
01:12:00,100 --> 01:12:00,420
Okay.

888
01:12:01,060 --> 01:12:02,160
All right, I have no cards.

889
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:03,460
I have no cards on this.

890
01:12:03,580 --> 01:12:04,980
So close to public hearing and look for a motion.

891
01:12:07,540 --> 01:12:07,780
All right.

892
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:08,200
I have a motion.

893
01:12:08,500 --> 01:12:08,900
I have a second.

894
01:12:09,500 --> 01:12:10,600
Seconded by Commissioner Smith.

895
01:12:10,900 --> 01:12:11,240
All in favor.

896
01:12:11,380 --> 01:12:11,500
Aye.

897
01:12:12,300 --> 01:12:12,820
Chair votes.

898
01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:13,100
Aye.

899
01:12:13,220 --> 01:12:13,960
That moves forward unanimously.

900
01:12:15,500 --> 01:12:17,760
Item 15, Parks Recreation, National Resources.

901
01:12:18,340 --> 01:12:19,280
This is also PUR.

902
01:12:19,740 --> 01:12:21,200
Public hearing to adopt a resolution.

903
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:24,620
Amending Sarasota County Fiscal Year 2026 through 2030.

904
01:12:24,620 --> 01:12:25,820
Capital Improvement Program.

905
01:12:26,500 --> 01:12:28,960
Resolution number 2025-164.

906
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:34,400
4, to modify the scope of the Capital Improvement Program Project No. 93-130,

907
01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:40,460
NACOMUS Riverview Doc Lott's Acquisition Program to account for a change to include future

908
01:12:40,460 --> 01:12:41,260
acquisitions.

909
01:12:42,020 --> 01:12:49,180
B, to adopt Resolution Budget Amendment No. B, 2026-037, amending the fiscal year 2026 budget

910
01:12:49,460 --> 01:12:56,400
to appropriate funding for the Capital Improvement Project No. 93-130, NACOMUS Riverview Doc Lott's

911
01:12:56,400 --> 01:13:02,800
acquisition program in the amount of $50,000 and see, not a public hearing, to adopt

912
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:07,260
a resolution authorizing the acquisition of real property located at South Riverview

913
01:13:07,260 --> 01:13:15,480
Drive, Nacomas, from Julie Trimp and Ross Peachie in the amount of $4,500, authorizing

914
01:13:15,480 --> 01:13:20,040
the execution of the contract for sale and purchase and authorizing the county administrator

915
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:25,700
your or designee to execute any necessary documents to effectuate the closing and

916
01:13:25,700 --> 01:13:28,660
providing for applicability and an effective date.

917
01:13:29,500 --> 01:13:32,440
With that, does any commissioner wish a full presentation?

918
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:40,420
Seeing none, I have no cards on this as well, so I'll close the public hearing and look for a motion on item 15.

919
01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:44,700
And so, A, B and C, okay.

920
01:13:45,300 --> 01:13:48,960
We have a motion by Commissioner Smith, second by Commissioner Mass, any further discussion?

921
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:51,680
Seeing none, I'll call the question.

922
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:52,700
All in favor, aye.

923
01:13:53,260 --> 01:13:54,200
Chair votes, aye.

924
01:13:54,340 --> 01:13:55,160
Moves forward unanimously.

925
01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:56,560
Great work, Sean.

926
01:13:56,780 --> 01:13:57,120
Thank you.

927
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:01,420
All right, moving to our report section.

928
01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:02,680
Court of the Court.

929
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:05,100
No additional report.

930
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:06,180
Thank you.

931
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:07,020
County Administrator.

932
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:08,180
Thank you, Chair.

933
01:14:08,480 --> 01:14:12,780
I'd like to ask Ben Quirterman to come forward and continue our,

934
01:14:13,500 --> 01:14:18,400
basically monthly updates and where we're at with the most things stormwater related.

935
01:14:18,700 --> 01:14:20,000
So Mr. Quirterman.

936
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:21,200
All right, welcome.

937
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:25,900
So, for the record, Bank Quarter Main, Director of Stormwater, good morning.

938
01:14:28,500 --> 01:14:34,640
This is a challenging job, one of the most challenging jobs I've ever had, but the good

939
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:39,480
news is I love it, we've got great staff, and we're doing a lot of great things, having

940
01:14:39,480 --> 01:14:40,040
a lot of fun.

941
01:14:41,440 --> 01:14:47,440
The Florida Stormwater Association recently awarded us an award for an outstanding achievement

942
01:14:47,440 --> 01:14:59,740
for our web app that was all planned and developed by staff internally, so we're going to come back to you in a...

943
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:04,180
Not a future board meeting to present that award, but that was, that was nice.

944
01:15:05,480 --> 01:15:15,400
Phil, be quick, dredge update. The phase one, from Taldo to Beniviz on track, it were about 75% complete. The contractor's been awesome.

945
01:15:16,220 --> 01:15:27,840
Haven't heard much complaints about the contractor or the work that he's doing. He's got a lot of trucks running in and out of residential areas, but it's all been very smooth, very happy with that contractor.

946
01:15:29,860 --> 01:15:37,520
The maximum allowable dredge contract phase two is the work that we're permitting currently.

947
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:40,420
There's a series of permits that we have to get.

948
01:15:40,900 --> 01:15:42,180
One was granted yesterday.

949
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:47,180
We're still working on the main permit that we expect towards the end of this year.

950
01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:51,980
We're working through, we've got a great engineer that's working on that for us too.

951
01:15:52,480 --> 01:15:55,180
She's been on track with everything that she's planned so far.

952
01:15:55,180 --> 01:16:00,960
We expect plans later this month and permits the middle and May.

953
01:16:04,010 --> 01:16:07,750
The WCI and D is also working on their portion of the dredge right at the mouth.

954
01:16:07,910 --> 01:16:14,250
You see the fence at the Philpick Creek mansion and there will be often running shortly.

955
01:16:14,530 --> 01:16:19,410
So we're going to have two dredge contractors going on at the same time in the creek.

956
01:16:20,730 --> 01:16:25,150
Steve Swas has been working diligently with our staff to update our CIP.

957
01:16:25,150 --> 01:16:28,410
We're almost there, we had a really great meeting last week.

958
01:16:28,970 --> 01:16:48,450
We'll present that to you, but effectively what we've done, re-emphasize the board direction and re-emphasize the CIP effectively shortening or reducing the number of CIP, but also better defining them and the money is associated with those specifically.

959
01:16:50,690 --> 01:16:54,710
The sediment abatement program is one of the programs that we've developed as part of

960
01:16:54,710 --> 01:17:00,410
this CIP review that is in addition to the Swerp program that we currently have, the

961
01:17:00,410 --> 01:17:06,450
five years CIP, and then what we call the Ruff Order to Projects plus five years out.

962
01:17:08,450 --> 01:17:15,470
The interlocal agreement is something that we're going to get to talk about soon with the new

963
01:17:15,470 --> 01:17:21,190
city manager, we expect some conversations with her and her staff shortly to discuss

964
01:17:21,190 --> 01:17:26,370
the interlocal, but what we've been doing in the meantime is working through a detailed

965
01:17:26,370 --> 01:17:30,790
account of what we do in the city and when we do it and what the schedule is for that

966
01:17:30,790 --> 01:17:31,110
work.

967
01:17:33,170 --> 01:17:36,410
We're also reviewing the cap and slew, specifically

968
01:17:36,410 --> 01:17:42,590
the areas adjacent to Phil Be Creek. We've developed a scope for surveying. We're moving forward

969
01:17:42,590 --> 01:17:50,270
with that scope of services to determine structural confirmed structural integrity and will

970
01:17:50,270 --> 01:17:56,470
update you as those survey results come in. Golfgate is another item that we work

971
01:17:56,470 --> 01:18:02,290
indiligently on. We met with the property owner, Matt Staff and his property acquisition

972
01:18:02,290 --> 01:18:09,370
team. The client has provided us an appraisal. We're currently reviewing it and we're also reviewing

973
01:18:09,370 --> 01:18:24,510
and bringing a contractor on board to help us through the termination of the cost of remediation and the current scope of remediation as it relates to that project.

974
01:18:25,650 --> 01:18:33,090
We're moving forward with scoping with capital projects, all of the resilient SRQ projects, they're all moving forward.

975
01:18:33,090 --> 01:18:39,030
We've got three of them within the city that we're that we're defining those roles as we go

976
01:18:39,030 --> 01:18:45,470
But the work that we're doing within the county is moving forward calls for services and scoping of those projects

977
01:18:46,350 --> 01:18:49,870
We're going to be meeting with the community both with the five

978
01:18:49,870 --> 01:18:57,190
Hurricane expose will have a good presence there. We're also doing our own stormwater three scheduled

979
01:18:58,550 --> 01:19:03,890
store water-specific workshops, both North County, Central County and South County.

980
01:19:04,630 --> 01:19:07,650
And I continue to meet with residents on a regular basis.

981
01:19:07,750 --> 01:19:11,430
I've got another meeting with Pomeranians this week, so we're having fun.

982
01:19:12,910 --> 01:19:16,190
I know that was quick, but if you've got any questions, let me know I can go in the morning.

983
01:19:16,190 --> 01:19:16,570
No, great.

984
01:19:16,710 --> 01:19:17,150
Thank you, Ben.

985
01:19:17,630 --> 01:19:19,990
So we've got several on the board, Commissioner Smith.

986
01:19:20,210 --> 01:19:20,850
It's that button first.

987
01:19:21,590 --> 01:19:21,930
All right.

988
01:19:22,170 --> 01:19:23,150
Well, thank you, Ben.

989
01:19:23,430 --> 01:19:24,470
I'm glad you're enjoying yourself.

990
01:19:24,470 --> 01:19:24,650
of.

991
01:19:26,870 --> 01:19:30,570
The Philadelphia Creek maximum allowable

992
01:19:30,570 --> 01:19:40,830
dredge. And I've read some emails. I'm the do with the islands. Could you maybe expound

993
01:19:40,830 --> 01:19:45,070
on that a little bit? So there were some emails from the community members.

994
01:19:45,390 --> 01:19:51,650
And I will just say that they may not understanding the permitting process as well as our staff

995
01:19:51,650 --> 01:20:00,510
We have to develop a scope to go into permitting, develop how we want to attack these items, and that's effectively what it was.

996
01:20:00,730 --> 01:20:03,230
But the scope hasn't changed.

997
01:20:03,610 --> 01:20:06,950
It's maximum-level dredge, 10 foot off on each side.

998
01:20:07,630 --> 01:20:13,890
And regardless of how we define it or what we call it during the permitting process, it's still 10 feet off each side.

999
01:20:14,530 --> 01:20:15,090
That's about it.

1000
01:20:15,490 --> 01:20:19,290
And just to be clear, the islands are going to be leaving us during that.

1001
01:20:19,290 --> 01:20:19,650
That's right.

1002
01:20:19,650 --> 01:20:20,870
That's part of it.

1003
01:20:21,070 --> 01:20:22,050
Thank you, just wanted to confirmation.

1004
01:20:22,390 --> 01:20:23,270
Thank you.

1005
01:20:23,670 --> 01:20:24,870
Okay, Commissioner Mast.

1006
01:20:25,390 --> 01:20:25,850
Thank you, Chair.

1007
01:20:26,430 --> 01:20:29,310
Can we go back to the interlocal agreement for just a minute?

1008
01:20:29,630 --> 01:20:33,070
And I know that that's something that they do have a new city manager on board.

1009
01:20:33,410 --> 01:20:38,290
Welcome to their new administrator, hope that she settles in nicely.

1010
01:20:39,230 --> 01:20:41,390
I really would like to see some data.

1011
01:20:41,730 --> 01:20:46,570
I've been asking this for quite some time and I know that it's going to take some collaboration with you.

1012
01:20:46,570 --> 01:20:52,170
and I believe also probably Kim Ratke's group.

1013
01:20:52,930 --> 01:20:56,090
There's a $4 million approximately collection

1014
01:20:56,090 --> 01:20:58,430
that is made every year from the city.

1015
01:20:59,130 --> 01:21:01,210
And I would like to know how far that $4 million

1016
01:21:01,210 --> 01:21:03,270
is getting when it comes to actually implementing

1017
01:21:03,270 --> 01:21:05,350
the work that the county is doing on that

1018
01:21:05,350 --> 01:21:06,490
in our local agreement.

1019
01:21:07,970 --> 01:21:10,070
And I know that it's gonna take some time.

1020
01:21:10,230 --> 01:21:11,530
I know you guys are working on it.

1021
01:21:11,750 --> 01:21:13,150
I just don't want it to be forgotten.

1022
01:21:13,150 --> 01:21:23,430
Oh no, and to that point, for the last couple of years, now 25 was a bit of a anomaly because we had extra contractors working.

1023
01:21:23,670 --> 01:21:37,250
But if you look back at, we've got the breakout of the work that we've done, and the cost estimate of the staff costs and our cost to provide those services relative to the collections.

1024
01:21:37,250 --> 01:21:50,030
So, I can make sure that I summarize that and make sure that you have that data, but we've got a good handle on the last couple of years and we can go back as far as you want, but we've got a good handle last couple of years.

1025
01:21:50,090 --> 01:22:01,770
Thank you, Chair. One more question. When you come back next time, could you let us know how the design is going for the St. Armand's pumps? I've had some questions regarding that, and I would just like to have maybe an update on that as well.

1026
01:22:01,770 --> 01:22:05,550
Well, sure, I can give you just a real quick update now.

1027
01:22:06,210 --> 01:22:06,550
That's better.

1028
01:22:07,970 --> 01:22:14,990
What we're doing currently is developing a project charter so that we understand what our roles are and what the city's roles are.

1029
01:22:15,130 --> 01:22:18,690
The city has taken the lead on communications.

1030
01:22:19,310 --> 01:22:21,890
They've met with several different groups.

1031
01:22:22,350 --> 01:22:26,590
We feel like we've come to a really good consensus on what the scope of the project is.

1032
01:22:26,590 --> 01:22:37,270
It's effectively hardening and providing resilience and redundancy to the current system and where we can upgrade that system, but that's a primary focus.

1033
01:22:37,510 --> 01:22:48,970
Secondarily we'll look at sea wall expansion and other items that will add additional resilience, but the primary focus is the depth of flooding and the duration of flooding.

1034
01:22:49,630 --> 01:22:55,670
We want to, you know, we want to limit the elevation of the flooding, but we also want to limit the timing which is flooded.

1035
01:22:55,670 --> 01:22:59,390
And that's been communicated to us from the residents.

1036
01:22:59,910 --> 01:23:07,310
And last but not least, from a vegetarian perspective, are we staying within what anticipated

1037
01:23:08,570 --> 01:23:13,150
bids were to be in some of our very heavy hit areas?

1038
01:23:13,750 --> 01:23:17,130
Are we finding that they're coming in higher than had it been anticipated?

1039
01:23:17,130 --> 01:23:22,730
Because I think it would be helpful to continually kind of revisit that so that we go, hey, we're off.

1040
01:23:22,730 --> 01:23:26,470
We think we're going to be okay, we're short here, we're not short here.

1041
01:23:27,730 --> 01:23:30,710
Specifically, I'm very concerned about the Kaupen-Sluery.

1042
01:23:30,910 --> 01:23:32,630
As you know, we've talked multiple times.

1043
01:23:33,990 --> 01:23:38,770
I want to make sure that we have the resources and the funding to do that.

1044
01:23:40,430 --> 01:23:45,470
Most people do not realize in the 1950s, it was done by several of our farmers and

1045
01:23:45,470 --> 01:23:50,690
cattlemen out there, and it's never been surveyed, it's never had an engineering done of it.

1046
01:23:50,690 --> 01:23:55,130
And so for us to get best practices in a baseline, it's got to be done, so it's very critical.

1047
01:23:55,490 --> 01:24:00,470
It is, and we're moving forward with that analysis, but I'll make sure that I update you on that as well.

1048
01:24:00,670 --> 01:24:00,990
Thank you.

1049
01:24:01,310 --> 01:24:01,710
Thank you, Chair.

1050
01:24:02,250 --> 01:24:02,670
Mr. Knight.

1051
01:24:03,050 --> 01:24:08,790
Now, very similar to everybody else, I think we've been hyper-focused on on Philippi justifiably so.

1052
01:24:10,630 --> 01:24:16,670
So Everglades of States, down here in Venice, I think I talked about, but they're concerned out there now.

1053
01:24:16,670 --> 01:24:23,950
it's moved to storm season. They got hit, they got flooded as much as anybody. And so I've had

1054
01:24:23,950 --> 01:24:29,790
good relationships there, everybody out there. And so I know I appreciate I sent you some stuff

1055
01:24:29,790 --> 01:24:35,090
up Blackburn Canal. That was the one. Yeah, good. And thank you for doing it. I haven't pushed. I know

1056
01:24:35,090 --> 01:24:41,710
there's a lot more creeks. I got Shack at Creek Blackburn Canal. And I know. So, but thank you for that.

1057
01:24:41,710 --> 01:24:49,630
But, you know, I communicate with them a lot, I said, I just tell them to trust me, we got this.

1058
01:24:50,050 --> 01:24:53,010
Yeah, I'm going to get the right guy, I said, this is common.

1059
01:24:53,870 --> 01:24:58,790
And I know we deal a lot with golf gate and everything so that, you know, we're all on edge now as we're moving towards the season.

1060
01:24:58,910 --> 01:25:05,790
So thank you for that, and you'll see Blackburn can now, and that was like Commissioner Masa, that was in the 20s, when that was just dug out.

1061
01:25:06,150 --> 01:25:09,710
So it's hard to go back and re-engineer everything that was done back then.

1062
01:25:09,710 --> 01:25:17,570
But certainly to get your eyes on it and let them know that, yeah, we're here, and we're hearing you, and that's an old established area.

1063
01:25:18,350 --> 01:25:31,790
And one other, too, is like South Venice, and I visited a gentleman he's been calling, visited him Sunday, and a lot of those areas are old established areas, those houses were built in the 60s on right on grade.

1064
01:25:32,650 --> 01:25:37,790
But I haven't sent it, I'll send it in just you can get your eyes on maybe some it can take a look at it

1065
01:25:37,790 --> 01:25:40,970
It's just an area of London road that's over the years

1066
01:25:41,790 --> 01:25:48,590
They probably just had some local person come over the backo and they're doing their own thing in the 60s and 70s

1067
01:25:49,150 --> 01:25:54,030
But it's I'm not an engineer, but there's a problem there that got into their house

1068
01:25:54,030 --> 01:25:59,310
And so you'll see it come in whoever your destiny would be, but you know, I'm dealing with a lot of that now with people

1069
01:25:59,310 --> 01:26:06,510
But certainly Everglades estates is, like I said, I've told them we got this, we got the right guy.

1070
01:26:06,810 --> 01:26:08,090
We're out on Jackson Road this week.

1071
01:26:08,370 --> 01:26:09,130
Yeah, perfect.

1072
01:26:09,570 --> 01:26:11,270
Yeah, they appreciate seeing you, so.

1073
01:26:11,670 --> 01:26:15,370
Thanks for what you're doing, a lot of work to do, a lot of maintenance to do and stuff, but

1074
01:26:15,370 --> 01:26:18,210
thanks for everything you're doing and get us where we need to be in the future, so.

1075
01:26:18,670 --> 01:26:19,010
Thank you.

1076
01:26:20,110 --> 01:26:20,810
Mr. Nunder.

1077
01:26:21,530 --> 01:26:23,790
Thank you, Chair, and thank you, Ben, for the report.

1078
01:26:24,230 --> 01:26:25,370
Appreciate all the hard work you're doing.

1079
01:26:25,370 --> 01:26:31,270
You know, you mentioned Palmer Ranch area, there's some culverts in there that I think need some attention or up sizing on the pipes.

1080
01:26:31,550 --> 01:26:34,030
So, they know you're coming and they're very appreciative.

1081
01:26:34,610 --> 01:26:38,170
Can you just tell me a little bit more about this software award that you got?

1082
01:26:38,530 --> 01:26:43,630
I think in the Palmer Ranch meeting I had last week, I think we used it.

1083
01:26:43,910 --> 01:26:49,170
And it's fascinating and it seems to be the merging of, is it cartograph?

1084
01:26:49,170 --> 01:26:49,610
or whatever.

1085
01:26:49,810 --> 01:26:50,210
Part of graph?

1086
01:26:51,210 --> 01:26:53,910
And then some form of variation of the GIS.

1087
01:26:54,410 --> 01:26:56,270
So they're familiar with it out there.

1088
01:26:56,350 --> 01:26:56,950
They pull it up.

1089
01:26:57,210 --> 01:26:59,730
So that's up and running.

1090
01:26:59,850 --> 01:27:03,630
And I just wanted to note, are you hearing from the residents that they like it as a tool

1091
01:27:04,070 --> 01:27:07,570
because it gives some sort of a history and the background of when the maintenance was

1092
01:27:07,570 --> 01:27:08,470
done, that type of thing?

1093
01:27:08,810 --> 01:27:09,010
Yeah.

1094
01:27:09,490 --> 01:27:11,590
We especially hear from them when we're delayed.

1095
01:27:12,670 --> 01:27:13,470
Everything's transparent.

1096
01:27:16,350 --> 01:27:18,090
But that's how I know they're using it.

1097
01:27:18,090 --> 01:27:19,950
And that's what it's intended for.

1098
01:27:20,050 --> 01:27:20,170
Okay.

1099
01:27:20,650 --> 01:27:23,930
And so staff really has done a great job putting that together.

1100
01:27:24,070 --> 01:27:27,550
Yeah, that's quite a lift on the technology side there.

1101
01:27:27,770 --> 01:27:30,970
And then the other only question that I had is subsequent to the Palmer Ranch.

1102
01:27:31,090 --> 01:27:33,710
Meaning, what do you feel about our relationships?

1103
01:27:34,050 --> 01:27:38,050
There was an issue that they brought up about some of the FPL easements that they have

1104
01:27:38,050 --> 01:27:43,630
and some of the, in their opinions, the piping that was there maybe only 18 inches as opposed to something.

1105
01:27:43,630 --> 01:27:49,310
Do you feel like you have good relationships where that might be pertinent with FPL to go ahead and look at that?

1106
01:27:49,590 --> 01:27:53,950
Do we need to upsize it? Is it something that's on the maintenance or to your point though?

1107
01:27:54,330 --> 01:27:57,990
There's a critical crossing just east of the Oaks and

1108
01:27:58,890 --> 01:28:03,650
We're going to upsize that from an 18 inch pipe to 336 inch pipes

1109
01:28:03,650 --> 01:28:11,170
It's a it's a very big bottleneck that staff identified and we're moving forward in coordination with FPL

1110
01:28:11,170 --> 01:28:18,150
but they're open to it, and they've got standards for their easements and we're working through that, but they're amenable to that, and that's moving forward.

1111
01:28:18,330 --> 01:28:18,990
That's a priority.

1112
01:28:19,370 --> 01:28:28,230
Okay, and then the last thing, and then I'll be quiet, is during the conversations, just continuously educating and reminding the public that, you know, as rain events come,

1113
01:28:28,910 --> 01:28:38,710
a lot of what I've seen is that the trash and the garbage that accumulated in the stormwater ditches and the drainage system, so making sure that, you know, they take their trash in pallets, chairs, etc.

1114
01:28:38,710 --> 01:28:45,470
And I think specifically in that Palmer Ranch meeting there was a little bit of that and people just did not assume that it was going to happen but

1115
01:28:46,170 --> 01:28:50,930
Continually educating the public about you know things come. We got to pick it up and make sure it doesn't clog our system

1116
01:28:50,930 --> 01:28:55,710
To your point and I'm glad you brought that up because as much as we talk about

1117
01:28:55,710 --> 01:29:03,470
The maintenance and the floodplain water quality is still a huge piece of what we do and it will be moving forward and

1118
01:29:03,470 --> 01:29:08,610
And either whether it's floating debris or whether it's water quality in our base and systems.

1119
01:29:08,930 --> 01:29:13,230
So it's something that we harp on a lot and it's part of what we do.

1120
01:29:14,310 --> 01:29:19,430
But I just wanted to make sure that I acknowledge that water quality is not taking it back seat.

1121
01:29:19,570 --> 01:29:21,210
It's 1A and 1B.

1122
01:29:22,650 --> 01:29:23,090
Okay.

1123
01:29:24,410 --> 01:29:25,330
Yeah, absolutely.

1124
01:29:25,570 --> 01:29:29,650
My kids are here and getting to the beach and to the bay and it's never been better.

1125
01:29:29,650 --> 01:29:33,650
the water quality, the visibility is amazing and so that's a really important

1126
01:29:33,650 --> 01:29:38,310
pin. Thank you for a great report and it is a tough it's a tough job but we

1127
01:29:38,310 --> 01:29:42,610
got the right man at the helm and thank you for what you're doing and how you're

1128
01:29:42,610 --> 01:29:47,310
you're very patient and you're everywhere and you're doing all you can and thank

1129
01:29:47,310 --> 01:29:52,550
you very much for that. All right with that thank you with that it's 1030 we're

1130
01:29:52,550 --> 01:29:54,250
take a quick 10-minute break and we'll be back.

1131
01:39:44,110 --> 01:39:50,730
Let's move on with the agenda item number 18. As soon as our county attorney gets over here and

1132
01:39:54,440 --> 01:39:56,100
county attorney.

1133
01:39:59,330 --> 01:40:07,730
So I sent a memo out on Friday and I didn't regarding the local act. I don't know if there's any questions or concerns with it or if there's any follow-up discussion needed.

1134
01:40:10,740 --> 01:40:23,020
Thank you, Commissioner. Yeah, thank you, Josh. Thank you, staff on that. I bring something up under my commissioner report for the board's consideration. But yes, thank you for doing that with your team and trying to give us a better consent.

1135
01:40:23,020 --> 01:40:26,560
actualization of exactly what we're dealing with so just thanks anything

1136
01:40:28,610 --> 01:40:28,950
further?

1137
01:40:29,310 --> 01:40:32,430
Well, that's it at this time I'll wait for under Commissioner Nunders report.

1138
01:40:32,750 --> 01:40:34,170
Okay, Commissioner Schmidt.

1139
01:40:34,510 --> 01:40:38,890
I just wanted to say thanks to you and staff for putting this together.

1140
01:40:39,270 --> 01:40:52,890
And I believe strongly that we as a commission should protect our neighborhoods,

1141
01:40:52,890 --> 01:41:03,150
I would protect the rural areas and understanding the, perhaps the challenges and the potential

1142
01:41:04,010 --> 01:41:13,430
risk. I do think the contextual interpretation is the one that we should be defending, and

1143
01:41:14,850 --> 01:41:17,850
so that's just my thoughts on it. Thanks.

1144
01:41:17,850 --> 01:41:18,790
Okay.

1145
01:41:21,710 --> 01:41:22,470
Any further?

1146
01:41:23,690 --> 01:41:23,810
No?

1147
01:41:24,290 --> 01:41:25,370
Mr. Masked.

1148
01:41:27,540 --> 01:41:28,080
Mr. Reports.

1149
01:41:28,420 --> 01:41:29,080
Oh, thank you.

1150
01:41:29,260 --> 01:41:29,480
I was like.

1151
01:41:29,560 --> 01:41:30,440
Any questions?

1152
01:41:32,660 --> 01:41:40,280
So there was an article that just came out about Center Stone and I wanted to really bring

1153
01:41:40,280 --> 01:41:44,940
it up just because I want to make sure that we're doing some checks and balances to make sure

1154
01:41:44,940 --> 01:41:52,460
or that, especially when there are public dollars being used, these are services that they

1155
01:41:52,460 --> 01:41:58,080
provide a very vital service to a very vulnerable population and I just want to make sure that

1156
01:41:58,570 --> 01:42:02,800
when public dollars are being used, how do we do our checks and balances on projects like

1157
01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:05,920
that to make sure that they're going where they need to go?

1158
01:42:06,080 --> 01:42:12,030
Because I think it's so important that our public feels very secure in knowing that we're

1159
01:42:12,030 --> 01:42:15,750
We're working diligent to make sure those individuals are being taken care of.

1160
01:42:16,950 --> 01:42:17,250
Yeah.

1161
01:42:18,070 --> 01:42:18,910
County Ministry.

1162
01:42:20,490 --> 01:42:22,730
So it's a couple stage process.

1163
01:42:23,110 --> 01:42:25,550
Of course, on the back end, the clerk and

1164
01:42:25,550 --> 01:42:32,270
comptroller's office is very diligent about making sure that we pay in terms with the contract as they should.

1165
01:42:32,810 --> 01:42:38,570
On the front end also, we have performance standards that are in the contract that they have to perform to, and

1166
01:42:38,570 --> 01:42:40,230
they have to submit those to us.

1167
01:42:40,230 --> 01:42:44,010
We do it on a reimbursement, but they have to submit and meet it.

1168
01:42:44,210 --> 01:42:51,750
So it's not just the Health and Human Services team verifying, but it's also in the clerk

1169
01:42:51,750 --> 01:42:56,830
of the court and control or its function as the controller to make sure that we've paid

1170
01:42:56,830 --> 01:42:58,230
in the court and it's with the contracts.

1171
01:42:58,710 --> 01:42:58,890
Okay.

1172
01:42:59,350 --> 01:43:00,810
And it's chair for me.

1173
01:43:01,310 --> 01:43:07,430
Is there, I don't want to call this like maybe a probation period, but a time where we

1174
01:43:07,430 --> 01:43:09,970
I might want to maybe have some extra hands on deck

1175
01:43:09,970 --> 01:43:13,390
when it comes to observing best practices

1176
01:43:13,390 --> 01:43:14,850
because I just want to make sure

1177
01:43:14,850 --> 01:43:17,390
that that vulnerable population

1178
01:43:17,390 --> 01:43:18,730
is really being cared for.

1179
01:43:19,310 --> 01:43:20,850
Yeah, and in that particular case,

1180
01:43:22,310 --> 01:43:25,550
staff doesn't know a lot about the specifics of that one

1181
01:43:25,550 --> 01:43:28,830
and do process would be like a problem process,

1182
01:43:29,050 --> 01:43:30,310
but that would be pretty too probably.

1183
01:43:31,170 --> 01:43:34,290
So that one, when I became aware of it this morning,

1184
01:43:34,290 --> 01:43:38,450
I did send it over to staff to keep an eye on, so.

1185
01:43:38,650 --> 01:43:39,570
Thank you, that's it for me.

1186
01:43:39,630 --> 01:43:40,770
Thank you for bringing it to the attention.

1187
01:43:41,610 --> 01:43:42,590
All right, Commissioner Smith.

1188
01:43:44,010 --> 01:43:44,730
Thank you, Chair.

1189
01:43:45,150 --> 01:43:45,630
I'll skip this.

1190
01:43:46,050 --> 01:43:46,550
Here we are.

1191
01:43:47,430 --> 01:43:47,970
Thank you, Chair.

1192
01:43:48,110 --> 01:43:49,730
We've got a couple items here I wanted to bring up.

1193
01:43:51,630 --> 01:43:53,870
One of them is the in-person workshops.

1194
01:43:55,690 --> 01:43:58,550
We brought this up a couple of times.

1195
01:43:59,150 --> 01:44:02,250
And what I'm sharing with you is as

1196
01:44:06,810 --> 01:44:12,810
What I was attempting to do here, and if you just see a lot of circles on there, that's because that's what they are.

1197
01:44:14,670 --> 01:44:31,250
It shows the, if we were to have public workshops in county facilities, which are in red, that I've listed and then houses of worship, of which we have some confirmations of.

1198
01:44:31,250 --> 01:44:37,370
and I've talked to ministerial groups about helping us out and getting confirmation of

1199
01:44:37,370 --> 01:44:38,750
these others that are let me close.

1200
01:44:39,550 --> 01:44:45,770
And then the neighborhood centers we do have confirmation on is that we can bring back

1201
01:44:45,770 --> 01:44:48,870
neighborhood workshops and we should.

1202
01:44:49,250 --> 01:44:51,990
And my thinking is in person and also hybrid.

1203
01:44:52,570 --> 01:44:54,230
So it's a combination.

1204
01:44:55,670 --> 01:44:59,770
But they do need to be in person with the hybrid option by the applicant.

1205
01:45:00,620 --> 01:45:30,600
And I'm talking to the county attorney. These are two, the smaller circles are two mile radius and then the larger circles are the five mile radius is that maybe out in the rural areas. And talking to Josh, she said that if we so want to pursue this, we could also give direction to actually because of the virtual component that we could have these greater than two mile radius.

1206
01:45:30,600 --> 01:45:40,080
miles. So that's something for the board to consider. But I would like to look at, request

1207
01:45:40,080 --> 01:45:50,840
the board direction to have staff go back. And also, if Rich is here, he also owed me

1208
01:45:50,840 --> 01:45:56,900
some fire stations there, confirmation of the fire stations. The libraries are available,

1209
01:45:56,900 --> 01:46:02,700
talk to Renee, so I believe strongly that we can bring these neighborhood workshops back

1210
01:46:02,700 --> 01:46:03,240
in person.

1211
01:46:04,440 --> 01:46:11,180
Like I said, with the hybrid option, and I'd like to get staff direction or board direction

1212
01:46:11,180 --> 01:46:13,540
to give staff an opportunity to proceed.

1213
01:46:14,000 --> 01:46:14,260
Thank you.

1214
01:46:14,340 --> 01:46:20,580
So, maybe a motion to make this a regular agenda item as a discussion, I come back to us.

1215
01:46:21,400 --> 01:46:21,920
Okay.

1216
01:46:22,100 --> 01:46:22,700
Commissioner and under.

1217
01:46:22,700 --> 01:46:27,900
in the board? Yeah, I just thank you, Chair. Mark, certainly you did your homework here.

1218
01:46:28,160 --> 01:46:32,260
A lot of options just wanted to throw out that, you know, I think our high schools, you

1219
01:46:32,260 --> 01:46:37,240
can run out high schools also. Some of the middle schools, Laurel and the Comis is one that

1220
01:46:37,240 --> 01:46:42,480
we use in our area. So there are options there to consider above and beyond your copious

1221
01:46:42,480 --> 01:46:46,640
amount of work that you put into this to define some locations. So that's my own comment

1222
01:46:46,640 --> 01:46:47,980
and then I'm happy to support it.

1223
01:46:48,540 --> 01:46:50,140
Okay, so you know, make a motion.

1224
01:46:50,480 --> 01:46:52,920
I go, bring it back, I'm sorry.

1225
01:46:53,160 --> 01:46:54,760
I just have a commission for mass.

1226
01:46:55,040 --> 01:46:57,020
The only thing that I would just like to,

1227
01:46:57,560 --> 01:46:59,400
I love the idea of it being optional,

1228
01:47:00,020 --> 01:47:02,360
because I will tell you years ago when I worked for the county,

1229
01:47:02,500 --> 01:47:04,820
I did a ton of public meetings in the intent

1230
01:47:04,820 --> 01:47:06,800
that these were always to be informational,

1231
01:47:08,160 --> 01:47:08,960
keyword, informational.

1232
01:47:10,540 --> 01:47:12,140
And sometimes there are individuals

1233
01:47:12,140 --> 01:47:13,680
that are very passionate about items

1234
01:47:13,680 --> 01:47:16,080
that doesn't turn into an informational meeting.

1235
01:47:16,800 --> 01:47:21,080
So it becomes very unfair to those that have come to gain information.

1236
01:47:21,580 --> 01:47:26,040
So I love the idea of it being an optional one or the other.

1237
01:47:26,260 --> 01:47:28,700
And I think the other thing that's very important to note is,

1238
01:47:29,240 --> 01:47:33,160
I have tried a multiple times myself to rent a library.

1239
01:47:33,420 --> 01:47:40,740
And it's very challenging to get in a timely fashion that same thing with the churches.

1240
01:47:40,740 --> 01:47:51,660
So, I just, I don't want to deter anybody's ability to be able to participate from an informational perspective, so I love the optional idea.

1241
01:47:52,340 --> 01:47:54,000
Well, maybe I should make clarification.

1242
01:47:55,140 --> 01:48:05,020
All these will be in person, and the applicant has the option to make it virtual also, so it's a hybrid, so it's not either or.

1243
01:48:05,020 --> 01:48:24,280
What I'm proposing here is that all neighborhood workshops will be in person with the applicant having an option of doing virtual as a component of the neighborhood workshop, just to make sure I'm not giving this a choice as far as to the applicant.

1244
01:48:24,280 --> 01:48:26,160
Yeah, anyway, that's my thought.

1245
01:48:26,880 --> 01:48:27,680
Yeah, Commissioner Knight.

1246
01:48:28,180 --> 01:48:30,640
I think one, yes, I agree with it.

1247
01:48:30,720 --> 01:48:38,960
One, I believe too, as I understand it, this won't create any extra, or any cost or

1248
01:48:38,960 --> 01:48:40,680
budget to do these, it's zero.

1249
01:48:41,300 --> 01:48:46,960
My question would be and recommend it that it would also include our live local.

1250
01:48:47,760 --> 01:48:53,340
Is that that would be an opportune time for our staff to be able to talk to the decision making process of the citizens.

1251
01:48:53,340 --> 01:48:56,800
when this live local goes through with the developer, whoever it's going to be,

1252
01:48:57,820 --> 01:49:03,220
for the decision makers on our staff to be able to communicate how that decision was made on live local and

1253
01:49:03,220 --> 01:49:05,700
in the legislative intent of live local.

1254
01:49:06,700 --> 01:49:09,860
That would be included, too, not exempted.

1255
01:49:11,560 --> 01:49:13,720
Well, we can done require, but we can do it.

1256
01:49:14,960 --> 01:49:18,500
We're preempted from live local, from communicate with the community.

1257
01:49:20,800 --> 01:49:27,840
We're regarding the, so right now under our code, we require that the applicant do a neighborhood workshop.

1258
01:49:28,700 --> 01:49:32,160
That's part of the process to then get to planning commission and then before this board.

1259
01:49:32,780 --> 01:49:37,300
If something does qualify under the local, it just goes straight for a administrative review and process.

1260
01:49:37,700 --> 01:49:42,720
It would not go through a process of a neighborhood workshop or planning commission or come before this board.

1261
01:49:43,800 --> 01:49:47,760
But it doesn't prohibit us from the standpoint of going out into the community and

1262
01:49:48,540 --> 01:49:50,320
talking to them about the decision.

1263
01:49:50,600 --> 01:49:52,440
I mean, we're not slowing the process down.

1264
01:49:52,440 --> 01:49:53,420
We're not violating the laws.

1265
01:49:53,420 --> 01:49:57,380
There's something the law that says it preamps the type of a program.

1266
01:49:58,580 --> 01:50:01,820
I'm sure you're talking specifically under this neighborhood workshop provision.

1267
01:50:02,280 --> 01:50:04,920
Because right now it's only an applicant that comes in.

1268
01:50:05,100 --> 01:50:05,880
That's a great question.

1269
01:50:05,920 --> 01:50:10,260
It might be something for us to include with Mark when he does this motion.

1270
01:50:10,260 --> 01:50:20,420
but that, you know, the transparency of the decisions of live local, and I think that we all know we're going to get a question about it is.

1271
01:50:21,400 --> 01:50:34,600
And the community is, I mean, having staff explain the decision on live local would be important to a community so they understand the preemption that's happened in our government and how this decisions are made.

1272
01:50:34,600 --> 01:50:40,160
It doesn't, we're not violating any law by being out in the community as a staff.

1273
01:50:40,420 --> 01:50:47,440
I don't know, I'm just throwing it up, but certainly, if we're looking to go back to

1274
01:50:47,440 --> 01:50:54,360
neighborhood workshops, having the decision making explained is as important as having

1275
01:50:54,360 --> 01:51:02,380
them available to question developers under product, I don't see anything that we're violating

1276
01:51:02,380 --> 01:51:06,720
in any law, we're simply asking for operational for our staff to explain it.

1277
01:51:07,340 --> 01:51:10,980
So I think right now the neighborhood workshop is for an applicant coming in and

1278
01:51:10,980 --> 01:51:13,840
it's their workshop, it's not a county workshop, it's the applicant's workshop.

1279
01:51:14,260 --> 01:51:17,780
That's why they, you know, we can't do them virtually, there's, you know, the normal requirements

1280
01:51:17,780 --> 01:51:21,620
of chapter 26 don't apply to them because they're not a governing board, right?

1281
01:51:22,940 --> 01:51:26,060
I think something you're talking about is more outreach, maybe like we said on the website,

1282
01:51:26,060 --> 01:51:27,540
what's it being done with emails?

1283
01:51:29,100 --> 01:51:32,900
Yeah, I mean, they can all be inclusive, I mean, yeah, exactly.

1284
01:51:33,060 --> 01:51:39,640
I think that the first level of co-act to get approved is certainly going to have community concerns.

1285
01:51:39,740 --> 01:51:43,480
And that would be important for our staff to explain how that decision was made.

1286
01:51:43,780 --> 01:51:46,720
So, because we can't explain it, we're not allowed to interpret it.

1287
01:51:47,100 --> 01:51:51,900
I read the law, so I think that that would be something that maybe that would be a motion to do that.

1288
01:51:51,900 --> 01:51:55,840
We'll live local, be a separate one, but I know John, our county minister wants to say something.

1289
01:51:56,160 --> 01:51:57,200
Let's have the county administrator.

1290
01:51:57,300 --> 01:52:05,400
And I just want to be clear, the way your neighborhood workshops are currently structured, staff has almost no involvement in that.

1291
01:52:05,720 --> 01:52:07,620
And I just want to make sure that it's abundantly clear.

1292
01:52:07,800 --> 01:52:14,460
We may help do the notice requirement, they submit the publication to us, but staff isn't there.

1293
01:52:14,840 --> 01:52:21,460
I would say on the issue of some of the county locations on the list, we would have to take a look at it if it's okay with the board.

1294
01:52:22,000 --> 01:52:26,460
So, for example, fire stations, I don't have somebody there and when my people have to

1295
01:52:26,460 --> 01:52:27,700
run a call, they have to run a call.

1296
01:52:28,460 --> 01:52:33,220
So, if you're holding a, I mean, you know, they're not up for rental, per se.

1297
01:52:34,120 --> 01:52:38,460
And if the other locations were for rental, that would be okay because then they would be paying

1298
01:52:38,460 --> 01:52:39,940
a cleaning fee and all those kind of.

1299
01:52:40,220 --> 01:52:45,620
But if it's not a place that's currently doing that, we'd either have to create it, right

1300
01:52:45,620 --> 01:52:48,180
have to pay for a staff person to be there to do those things.

1301
01:52:48,180 --> 01:52:52,120
So I just wanted to make that clear.

1302
01:52:52,700 --> 01:52:58,200
On the live local, I know a lot of people like to say that staff doesn't really have an interpretation role on live local either.

1303
01:52:58,240 --> 01:52:59,980
It either meets the requirement or it doesn't.

1304
01:53:01,320 --> 01:53:03,660
So even staff's not really interpreting.

1305
01:53:04,120 --> 01:53:06,200
It's pretty prescriptive onto the law.

1306
01:53:07,020 --> 01:53:10,740
You know, the only good things kind of left to us are stormwater and things like that.

1307
01:53:11,160 --> 01:53:16,380
Utilities, but even there that it's really preemptive from staff, too.

1308
01:53:16,380 --> 01:53:19,920
It's more of an administrative function for the UDC administer.

1309
01:53:22,700 --> 01:53:26,740
Okay, I'll be brief because I know we got to get this move.

1310
01:53:27,400 --> 01:53:32,960
Jonathan, I have a question, as a matter of policy from the board, if there was, say,

1311
01:53:33,040 --> 01:53:39,760
a will of the board, to have on these live local projects that come through, do a public meeting on,

1312
01:53:39,880 --> 01:53:43,640
I mean, it's not required, it's administratively approved, as we all know.

1313
01:53:43,640 --> 01:53:49,980
But a lot of times there is not, in my opinion, transparency and public awareness of these things so far.

1314
01:53:50,680 --> 01:54:04,920
And if we were to, as a board say, Jonathan, we would like a policy that would direct you and your staff to go ahead and update the particular area where there is a project as an informal method of communication and transparency, is that a possibility?

1315
01:54:05,900 --> 01:54:28,380
Yeah, I think as long as you stay within the parameters of the time restrictions the state has put on you, I think you could probably do that, you know, we'd have to figure out a schedule, things like that, I would just be very hesitant for staff to be just like we don't present on developers, projects in front of the board, I would be very hesitant to have staff presenting because then it starts to become its staff's idea.

1316
01:54:28,380 --> 01:54:39,460
And so, you know, the factual as you, as Commissioner Knight said about why we had to approve it or why we are allowed to deny it, you know, that could, that could be possible.

1317
01:54:39,620 --> 01:54:44,000
But interpreting a developer's project, I don't think that's a good role for staff.

1318
01:54:44,340 --> 01:54:46,140
Other than as it relates the law.

1319
01:54:46,400 --> 01:54:56,480
I understand that, but given the fact that all of this currently is going through the administrative process and staff is the one directly involved in this process,

1320
01:54:56,480 --> 01:55:00,980
doesn't make a little sense that if the Board will, and we wanted to go out there to give a public

1321
01:55:00,980 --> 01:55:04,660
meeting on a project that staff would have the most subject matter expertise to deliver

1322
01:55:04,660 --> 01:55:10,220
the way that these projects A, B, C, or in this case, step 1, 2, 3 get checkmarked,

1323
01:55:10,220 --> 01:55:10,620
et cetera.

1324
01:55:11,160 --> 01:55:13,880
They could present on why it was approved or why it wasn't approved.

1325
01:55:14,000 --> 01:55:18,020
I mean, they can't really present on the details of the, because even they're not,

1326
01:55:18,220 --> 01:55:20,140
they're not reviewing those details either.

1327
01:55:20,440 --> 01:55:23,360
Maybe the site either meets the requirement, or the site doesn't.

1328
01:55:23,360 --> 01:55:51,040
Yeah, and I didn't, I think, I kind of understood, I think we're Commissioner Knight was trying to go with that, and I'm certainly, I don't want to speak out a turn, but that's just something that as a matter of transparency for our community in my mind, it kind of makes a little more sense that if the board decided to have anybody present on any of the live local projects, it would be clear in my mind as day that staff would be the one doing it because they're the, we're not seeing it unless we're going on the website following it and talking with your staff to kind of get the update so.

1329
01:55:51,040 --> 01:55:54,420
It just understand there's lots of things about the project staff doesn't see either.

1330
01:55:54,740 --> 01:55:55,100
Okay.

1331
01:55:55,420 --> 01:55:58,020
Well, I just, I'm just, for conversation, I just, I wanted to bring that one.

1332
01:55:58,020 --> 01:56:02,760
But yes, I think if you wanted to do, why was, why could it be approved or why, why it wasn't approved?

1333
01:56:03,220 --> 01:56:05,600
I think certainly those types of things could be done, yes, sir.

1334
01:56:05,920 --> 01:56:07,280
All right, I think we transitioned here.

1335
01:56:08,280 --> 01:56:13,080
We went from neighborhood workshop to live local and we're having discussions all over the page here.

1336
01:56:13,180 --> 01:56:16,120
So let's go back to your original comment regarding that.

1337
01:56:18,040 --> 01:56:19,120
Yes, neighborhood workshop.

1338
01:56:19,120 --> 01:56:48,820
Let me just weigh in for a minute, you know, my eight-year-old grandson helped me download an app yesterday and get it working and all that because they're we're living in an absolutely digital age and anybody that doesn't realize that you're not you're you're you're not leaving your house or something because we can't even you can't even apply for a permits or sort of counting without doing it digitally you can't go in and talk to a person you got to go through the cell and do that everything we do is is online and I kind of think about

1339
01:56:48,820 --> 01:56:53,600
you know the traffic circles where you know we started building these

1340
01:56:53,600 --> 01:56:57,520
never was like what are we doing here these are terrible and this is a problem

1341
01:56:57,520 --> 01:57:01,980
and all that now you know over time we've come to realize and I'm sure some have

1342
01:57:01,980 --> 01:57:05,740
not yet but we come to realize they're you know these don't shut down in

1343
01:57:05,740 --> 01:57:11,220
hurricane these move traffic more efficiently generally and we've come to

1344
01:57:11,220 --> 01:57:18,700
understand that and it's the same thing with with online every you know once

1345
01:57:18,700 --> 01:57:22,200
COVID came, we were doing all our meetings on teams and we were doing Zoom meetings and

1346
01:57:22,200 --> 01:57:26,480
we're doing this on a regular basis and you have much more participation.

1347
01:57:26,700 --> 01:57:31,720
You have folks not having to get out in the evening and in the dark and drive and to

1348
01:57:31,720 --> 01:57:34,100
take 100 people and get them to a fire department.

1349
01:57:34,860 --> 01:57:39,840
I can't even imagine how that would happen, you know, at a fire station and they get a call

1350
01:57:39,840 --> 01:57:43,380
for service and you've got 100 folks in there and cars all over the place that doesn't make

1351
01:57:43,380 --> 01:57:44,360
any sense at all to me.

1352
01:57:44,360 --> 01:57:50,620
It just seems to me that if the purpose is to get more people involved and make it more

1353
01:57:50,620 --> 01:57:55,660
efficient, the online neighborhood workshop is the way to go.

1354
01:57:55,900 --> 01:57:58,460
And the hybrids, I've never seen them work very well at all.

1355
01:57:58,520 --> 01:58:02,500
We have some people in a building and I don't know just the logistics of getting that done

1356
01:58:02,500 --> 01:58:09,320
correctly where you got everybody participating equally and people online get overlooked or

1357
01:58:09,320 --> 01:58:14,220
not noticed or and it seems to always be glitchy when you're trying to set it up in a

1358
01:58:14,220 --> 01:58:16,060
place where it's not really set up for it.

1359
01:58:17,100 --> 01:58:19,600
So I'm going to struggle with the idea.

1360
01:58:19,780 --> 01:58:25,100
I like the idea of hybrid if, but I think it creates a lot of problems.

1361
01:58:25,280 --> 01:58:30,660
So this is an issue I think that doesn't need to come back for discussion, get the stakeholders

1362
01:58:30,660 --> 01:58:36,620
and the people who are involved in it, their opportunity also to address it, so that's

1363
01:58:36,620 --> 01:58:37,260
my thought on it.

1364
01:58:37,380 --> 01:58:40,860
But you have a motion, and then we'll...

1365
01:58:40,860 --> 01:58:42,300
you need a motion.

1366
01:58:44,900 --> 01:58:58,840
All right. All right. I'd like to make a motion to give staff direction to bring back neighborhood workshops in person neighborhood workshops with with a hybrid of having virtual also included.

1367
01:59:00,340 --> 01:59:03,180
Okay, we have a motion and a second any further discussion.

1368
01:59:05,020 --> 01:59:07,200
I just want to make one comment.

1369
01:59:07,200 --> 01:59:16,180
Okay, only that this is not necessarily for more people to come to own, but to communicate.

1370
01:59:16,820 --> 01:59:18,500
Oh, sorry, push the button again.

1371
01:59:18,640 --> 01:59:19,100
Thank you.

1372
01:59:20,460 --> 01:59:24,060
This is why hybrid doesn't work, no, I'm sorry, virtual.

1373
01:59:24,580 --> 01:59:32,300
Anyway, no, it's not for the number, it's for listening, listening to the neighbors and

1374
01:59:32,300 --> 01:59:32,920
the neighborhoods.

1375
01:59:32,920 --> 01:59:39,800
And that's what this is about, and the folks that can't make it in person, they could get on virtually.

1376
01:59:40,200 --> 01:59:41,880
But I just wanted to make that clarification.

1377
01:59:42,660 --> 01:59:47,880
Commissioner, no, and I agree with Commissioner Smith is, and I know it's going to come back for a final discussion is,

1378
01:59:48,220 --> 01:59:52,080
I think perception is not always reality, but the citizens we serve and

1379
01:59:52,080 --> 01:59:56,740
remind it is, and that simply is government going to them and

1380
01:59:56,740 --> 01:59:59,980
them have an access if they should choose to go to government when we make.

1381
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:29,440
The government available to them. And I think COVID is still coming out of some of the changes that have been made. So I think we'll know after, if we decide to reamp them, and it will know within a year, if it's, if it is something that dispels the notion that community that we're not hearing them. And that's, I agree with Commissioner Smith on it. So I just want to say that, you know, we, we need to dispel the notion that we're not being heard in certain, certain issues. That's, that's all I want to say.

1382
02:00:31,600 --> 02:00:59,420
I know that there was an MPO meeting commissioner Smith, I'm happy to support your motion and the concept behind this, but in our MPO meeting, a couple of times ago, there was a snafu with citizen involvement, right, with an in-person meeting, there was absolutely zero question for participation from the public and that ancillary component of having the technology there is nice as we have people that live all around the country, but there will be no excuse and there's not going to be anybody saying anything if there is an in-person meeting.

1383
02:00:59,420 --> 02:01:01,260
and meeting for people to physically attend.

1384
02:01:01,440 --> 02:01:03,440
If they don't attend, then that's on them.

1385
02:01:04,040 --> 02:01:06,980
And if they have the option of the technology, that's great.

1386
02:01:07,600 --> 02:01:11,380
But with an in-person meeting, I think it spells it out relatively clear.

1387
02:01:11,480 --> 02:01:15,680
The meeting was held, the public is involved, and there can be no argument past that.

1388
02:01:15,840 --> 02:01:16,400
So, thank you, Chair.

1389
02:01:17,660 --> 02:01:19,120
Okay, do you say another item?

1390
02:01:20,100 --> 02:01:22,520
Oh, that'd be good, yeah, that's it.

1391
02:01:24,920 --> 02:01:28,940
Motion, you have a motion, and we have a second.

1392
02:01:29,420 --> 02:01:32,060
Did you second it? Okay, I'm going to go ahead and call the question on the favor.

1393
02:01:32,360 --> 02:01:35,360
I, Chair votes. I, that moves forward unanimously, bring it back.

1394
02:01:37,710 --> 02:01:42,450
Thank you, Chair. The second item is much shorter, I believe.

1395
02:01:43,210 --> 02:01:46,230
And this has to do with the SISCII trolley.

1396
02:01:47,230 --> 02:01:54,310
As we know, we're stopping the trolley, leaving SISCII and going downtown and back, which I'm in favor of.

1397
02:01:54,750 --> 02:02:00,690
However, one of the positives of it was that the trolley was going to the north end of the village.

1398
02:02:00,690 --> 02:02:10,270
instead of stopping at the midpoint and so what I would and so I had met with staff on

1399
02:02:10,710 --> 02:02:19,490
the key and with the idea of rerouting instead of stopping right there at the Casibo in the

1400
02:02:19,490 --> 02:02:25,010
center of the village that would continue north and go down Avenue to Madera, make a left

1401
02:02:25,010 --> 02:02:35,770
Collin, Minorga, and then Avenue to Milano have a trolley stop there and then have it make a left and head back to the village again.

1402
02:02:37,210 --> 02:02:45,970
And so, again, I'd like to ask the board to give staff direction to look at that possibility.

1403
02:02:48,270 --> 02:02:56,250
And my thought is it would, they need to look at the streets and make sure it works for them.

1404
02:02:56,450 --> 02:03:02,970
But this would help greatly in getting that trolley to the northern businesses in the village.

1405
02:03:03,510 --> 02:03:04,230
And so that's what I'm bringing for.

1406
02:03:04,290 --> 02:03:11,590
So I'm looking for consensus of the board to give staff direction to look into this and see if we can make it happen.

1407
02:03:11,950 --> 02:03:13,890
So you're asking for a board assignment, right?

1408
02:03:13,890 --> 02:03:19,770
I'll board a assignment. Yes. Okay. Do we need a motion on board? Okay. Do you want it to be a board assignment? Yes, sir.

1409
02:03:20,490 --> 02:03:26,450
You need a motion to it. All right. I'd like to make a motion for a board assignment to

1410
02:03:27,950 --> 02:03:31,550
extend the CSQ trolley to the north end of the village.

1411
02:03:33,070 --> 02:03:38,530
And we'll recirculate the assuming the board vote yet. Well, either way, I would recirculate

1412
02:03:38,530 --> 02:03:42,290
the memo that we board a assignment we did previously on the stop.

1413
02:03:43,890 --> 02:03:44,990
Okay, we have motion in a second.

1414
02:03:46,990 --> 02:03:47,790
We have a second.

1415
02:03:48,410 --> 02:03:49,650
Second by commission and under.

1416
02:03:50,210 --> 02:03:51,930
Any further discussion on that commission tonight?

1417
02:03:52,010 --> 02:03:55,850
Just when the Board of Simon is to add any additional cost that may be incurred,

1418
02:03:55,910 --> 02:03:59,430
that would create any additional budget requirements.

1419
02:04:00,510 --> 02:04:00,910
Sure.

1420
02:04:01,250 --> 02:04:01,410
Okay.

1421
02:04:02,610 --> 02:04:03,350
Is that understood?

1422
02:04:03,630 --> 02:04:03,770
Sure.

1423
02:04:04,190 --> 02:04:04,490
All right.

1424
02:04:04,890 --> 02:04:05,350
Is that okay?

1425
02:04:06,210 --> 02:04:06,590
Got that?

1426
02:04:07,530 --> 02:04:07,930
Okay.

1427
02:04:08,330 --> 02:04:08,530
All right.

1428
02:04:08,610 --> 02:04:10,130
With that, we'll then call the question on favor.

1429
02:04:10,290 --> 02:04:10,370
Aye.

1430
02:04:10,830 --> 02:04:12,370
Sure, what's that most forward?

1431
02:04:12,690 --> 02:04:13,530
Thank you, that's all right.

1432
02:04:14,090 --> 02:04:14,690
Thank you.

1433
02:04:15,070 --> 02:04:16,730
All right, with that, Commissioner Knight.

1434
02:04:17,010 --> 02:04:17,570
Thank you, Linda.

1435
02:04:18,090 --> 02:04:23,230
I'll be brief, and I had handed out, I found another, I'd just been doing my research in a live local.

1436
02:04:23,250 --> 02:04:25,430
Of course, it's a hot topic all across the state.

1437
02:04:25,430 --> 02:04:33,750
And City of Hollywood had a deck action where they prevailed in the deck action down in Hollywood.

1438
02:04:33,750 --> 02:04:36,570
And I think there's one up in Tampa, the Hillsborough County area.

1439
02:04:36,570 --> 02:04:45,730
And now we're municipalities and the county governments are challenging through deck actions interpretation of the law.

1440
02:04:46,210 --> 02:04:48,690
And most of the cases I'm seeing are prevailing.

1441
02:04:48,770 --> 02:04:57,830
I saw one growing nice one up in Manatee County that was the intent that I believe of the law in just north of University Parkway and industrial area that they approved.

1442
02:04:58,510 --> 02:05:03,810
But like everybody we're having a discussion here is a lot of anxiety in our communities and

1443
02:05:03,810 --> 02:05:07,890
established neighborhoods that we're hearing from, and I think that's really important

1444
02:05:07,890 --> 02:05:15,970
why that we would require our staff to go out in those communities and explain and how

1445
02:05:16,830 --> 02:05:21,450
that's going to impact their staplish neighborhoods if it meets the requirements of live local.

1446
02:05:22,010 --> 02:05:28,310
And so there is going to be interpretation on it that we're not going to have input on as

1447
02:05:28,310 --> 02:05:32,590
a elected board and that we're not going to have the ability to represent our community

1448
02:05:32,590 --> 02:05:44,990
on these type of developments, and so I think it's important that they understand from our staff why the decisions were made, and why the intent was met if such decision was made.

1449
02:05:45,130 --> 02:05:57,050
I think we have seven in the hopper now, they're all moving forward, and I'm hearing from my constituents, I certainly have my opinion on the interpretation of a moving, but I don't have any say in it.

1450
02:05:57,050 --> 02:06:03,170
So I just wanted to make sure we got that liberal co-act, that document there to show that

1451
02:06:03,830 --> 02:06:11,110
communities are challenging the law, and they are going to deck actions, and they are prevailing in the best interest of the community.

1452
02:06:11,410 --> 02:06:12,890
So that's all I have, Chair.

1453
02:06:13,270 --> 02:06:18,170
I actually have a follow-up to that, so we did send a memo out last Friday.

1454
02:06:20,850 --> 02:06:27,030
You know, basically it was in our office memo 1901, addressing the board's question on whether properties on RE1

1455
02:06:27,030 --> 02:06:30,370
We want an OUE, have to be treated as qualifying districts under live local act.

1456
02:06:31,110 --> 02:06:35,010
Max explained in the memo, the plain text of the new statutory definitions tends to

1457
02:06:35,010 --> 02:06:39,750
strongly support the argument that RE1 and OUE districts do qualify under that live local act.

1458
02:06:40,330 --> 02:06:47,930
However, using the contextual as applied interpretation, the board could adopt a good faith policy interpretation that RE1 and

1459
02:06:47,930 --> 02:06:52,170
OUE districts do not qualify for development under live local act.

1460
02:06:52,650 --> 02:06:56,730
And then that would give the developer the opportunity of the applicant, the opportunity to

1461
02:06:56,730 --> 02:07:00,210
then do a deck action against us, just have somebody to sue to do a deck action.

1462
02:07:01,310 --> 02:07:07,190
Just know that if the board does go down that policy interpretation, that already want to know you districts do not qualify.

1463
02:07:07,990 --> 02:07:13,490
It is uphill battle because it does go against the strict language of the statute, and it does go against legislative history.

1464
02:07:14,830 --> 02:07:24,710
And the local act also provides for attorneys using costs of the $250,000 to eight prevailing party, which the county would be subject to each time it's owned to be in violation of the local act.

1465
02:07:25,630 --> 02:07:31,650
So there is an opportunity if this board wants to make that policy direction regarding the international interpretation.

1466
02:07:32,130 --> 02:07:32,730
And what could do that?

1467
02:07:33,070 --> 02:07:37,850
And I was just going to, and I'll turn it over is the deck action removes it.

1468
02:07:37,970 --> 02:07:38,630
There is interpretation.

1469
02:07:38,950 --> 02:07:43,330
I think a couple of months ago when we had Matt provide us with an update, did a PowerPoint.

1470
02:07:43,730 --> 02:07:49,870
I think, you know, I asked, was the Florida Association counties have any type of thoughts on it?

1471
02:07:49,870 --> 02:07:58,150
And I think everybody's gone their own way, and so really the interpretation is, I guess what staff's interpretation is on it.

1472
02:07:58,210 --> 02:08:03,030
And I know there's a lot of anxiety in our community about what's going to go up next to their houses.

1473
02:08:03,310 --> 02:08:11,950
I mean, we could have an interpretation of something like that mentioned last board on an established neighborhood in the Harbor acre areas,

1474
02:08:12,070 --> 02:08:17,530
which is not in the city or in the county, but a similar type of high profile areas that we can interpret it.

1475
02:08:17,530 --> 02:08:20,270
And they can put an apartment complex up next to under-live local.

1476
02:08:20,950 --> 02:08:23,290
I mean, we can draw it that long if we want to.

1477
02:08:23,410 --> 02:08:40,910
I don't want to do that, but I think there's just so much anxiety out there about the interpretation that this board has no say in that we owe it to the citizens to have our staff make sure that they provide very good reasoning for the interpretation.

1478
02:08:40,910 --> 02:08:47,630
and that would be why we go out and the staff goes out in the community and answers to the public and why that is.

1479
02:08:47,850 --> 02:08:59,270
So I'm not opposed to doing, you know, Josh, like you were recommending, I do know, I do know attorneys and they have different opinions on the letter that they saw.

1480
02:08:59,690 --> 02:09:08,050
Of course, everybody's got a different opinion and my job is to represent the community and certainly lawsuits go both ways.

1481
02:09:08,050 --> 02:09:12,490
if we, if the staff decides that one does meet love local and

1482
02:09:12,490 --> 02:09:16,190
community gets a powerful attorney out of Tampa and they sue us.

1483
02:09:16,410 --> 02:09:19,350
What's our, what's, what do we look like then, once the grounds have been broken?

1484
02:09:20,250 --> 02:09:26,570
I would think it's well over $250,000 that we would be exposed to if, if we lose that case too.

1485
02:09:26,830 --> 02:09:28,790
So it goes both ways, yeah, we're identifying.

1486
02:09:29,110 --> 02:09:33,450
And to be clear, it's pretty clear the board cannot make any, cannot take any action on specific developments.

1487
02:09:33,810 --> 02:09:33,910
Right.

1488
02:09:33,910 --> 02:09:39,070
Submitted pursuant to Level Local Act, they must be administratively processed.

1489
02:09:39,870 --> 02:09:47,290
However, this board may adopt a policy interpretation to guide that administrative process for the application of Local Act.

1490
02:09:48,030 --> 02:09:54,630
And so, again, I think, after being asked at the last meeting, do we have to treat RE1 and

1491
02:09:54,630 --> 02:10:01,270
OUE districts as qualifying districts under Level Local Act under the pure textual language of it in the legislative history?

1492
02:10:01,270 --> 02:10:03,590
It looks like, yes, it does qualify under-level local.

1493
02:10:05,030 --> 02:10:13,250
However, the board could make the policy decision regarding the statutory interpretation that we could,

1494
02:10:13,370 --> 02:10:18,870
this board could vote to have the county treat RE-1 and RE districts as not being qualifying districts under-level local act.

1495
02:10:19,350 --> 02:10:29,390
Just keep in mind that that does come with being in a whole battle and also subjects the board potentially to, or the county to attorneys fees and costs, up to $250,000 per each time it's funded violation.

1496
02:10:30,010 --> 02:10:33,630
So, again, so I want to make sure you understand your options and what you guys can and can't do.

1497
02:10:33,990 --> 02:10:38,510
If we don't ask them, if we don't do that, it just falls back to you and Jonathan.

1498
02:10:39,510 --> 02:10:43,330
I think right now, after the memo, we're kind of stuck and kind of need some kind of policy

1499
02:10:43,330 --> 02:10:44,050
director from the board.

1500
02:10:44,310 --> 02:10:45,930
How do you want to start interpreting this or not?

1501
02:10:46,330 --> 02:10:47,030
And I think, Joe.

1502
02:10:47,550 --> 02:10:48,590
I have everybody on the board here.

1503
02:10:49,630 --> 02:10:57,150
You want to just briefly, just to add to what I said earlier, the real only interpretation

1504
02:10:57,710 --> 02:11:22,310
that staff wouldn't do normally as things went to the board is really the issue and this was in the December memo to the board and I think the January presentation when we were looking for some direction on how the board wanted to deal with process and notification was the determination on whether the project qualifies under the level of law that really is that's kind of the big piece of it, right?

1505
02:11:23,070 --> 02:11:32,910
And to the question that was asked earlier, certainly staff could do a video, they could do a meeting about why our project did or didn't qualify.

1506
02:11:33,290 --> 02:11:40,050
But that's really the part we could comment on why under the law we felt that did or didn't qualify.

1507
02:11:40,570 --> 02:11:45,390
The other things that people normally do in their projects that they present to the board, we don't present those now.

1508
02:11:46,050 --> 02:12:02,070
We provide it to the board, but in terms of how they either comply with the hundred year or they don't comply with the hundred year, they're either meeting the requirements by a certified engineer for a utility system, or they're not, right?

1509
02:12:02,230 --> 02:12:04,870
I mean, those are the things they typically present to your guys.

1510
02:12:04,870 --> 02:12:07,510
Okay, commission Smith.

1511
02:12:08,790 --> 02:12:25,530
Yeah, I'd like to make a motion to have a policy direction to staff that CUE and RE are not part of the live local as far as are.

1512
02:12:26,430 --> 02:12:34,690
Yeah, so I think the vote would be that the board's policy decision regarding the statutory interpretation would be that the county treat RE1 and OUE districts.

1513
02:12:34,690 --> 02:12:37,310
districts as not being qualifying districts under the local act.

1514
02:12:37,710 --> 02:12:38,850
Right, that's the motion.

1515
02:12:40,570 --> 02:12:42,230
I mean, I'm going to second it.

1516
02:12:42,330 --> 02:12:45,090
I think you were reading my notes prior to the meeting, so that's what I think.

1517
02:12:45,490 --> 02:12:48,030
But I'm happy to speak to it after Commissioner Smith.

1518
02:12:48,490 --> 02:12:52,230
Okay, we have a motion, and I think I have a different motion in a second.

1519
02:12:52,830 --> 02:12:54,370
Our Commissioner Smith to your motion.

1520
02:12:55,390 --> 02:12:58,410
Well, I know there's a certain amount of danger involved here, but

1521
02:12:58,410 --> 02:13:03,250
I believe that I would rather be on the side of our citizens and on the side of the development

1522
02:13:03,250 --> 02:13:11,670
community on this to protect our neighborhoods and to protect our places out east and so I'm

1523
02:13:11,670 --> 02:13:14,590
wholeheartedly in favor of this and we'll see how it goes.

1524
02:13:15,510 --> 02:13:16,090
Do you have a second?

1525
02:13:16,330 --> 02:13:17,010
Yeah, thank you Chair.

1526
02:13:17,930 --> 02:13:19,610
In Commissioner Smith, I appreciate the effort.

1527
02:13:19,750 --> 02:13:23,670
I spent a little bit of time researching this and I think I actually, with all due respect,

1528
02:13:23,750 --> 02:13:28,710
I have a motion that's a little bit clear, more definitive, and I'm going to throw this

1529
02:13:28,710 --> 02:13:30,490
out to you because this is very important.

1530
02:13:30,690 --> 02:13:31,530
This is very important.

1531
02:13:31,530 --> 02:13:37,710
And my suggestion would be that we draw Josh and Jonathan prior to any administrative

1532
02:13:37,710 --> 02:13:46,350
action on OUE or RE1 or residential land applications that are OCA file appropriate legal

1533
02:13:46,350 --> 02:13:52,510
action to the court system for a declaratory judgment on a zoning determination under

1534
02:13:52,510 --> 02:13:56,870
the Live Local Act, again, on OUE, RE1 and residential.

1535
02:13:56,870 --> 02:14:01,650
That will, I think, blanket all of the current applications that could be in conflict.

1536
02:14:02,030 --> 02:14:07,230
There are three other communities that are currently expanding their scope and

1537
02:14:07,230 --> 02:14:08,750
their purview to challenge it.

1538
02:14:08,810 --> 02:14:11,370
Like you said, Commissioner Smith, this is to protect our citizens.

1539
02:14:11,790 --> 02:14:14,030
This is not a constitutional challenge.

1540
02:14:14,270 --> 02:14:19,490
This is merely an interpretation to allow a judge to put a deck action out there.

1541
02:14:20,150 --> 02:14:26,430
And it also protects citizens that may be affected as far as standing goes to come up with the money to go ahead and challenge it.

1542
02:14:26,430 --> 02:14:28,610
I think this is a great thing to do.

1543
02:14:28,750 --> 02:14:30,110
I applaud you for putting it forward.

1544
02:14:30,490 --> 02:14:48,610
However, respectfully, if you would not mind changing the motion because I believe our staff in the attorney's office needs very clear direction from this board, if that's the way it's going to go, because, quite simply, you know, we need to measure twice, cut once and dot all the T's, dot all the eyes here, and then just put it in a judges hand.

1545
02:14:49,010 --> 02:14:50,790
I think that's probably the best way to do it.

1546
02:14:50,790 --> 02:14:59,050
That's the best way to get the interpretation and I think that's that's one man's opinion so we get our county attorney to weigh in on that because

1547
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:29,400
We need somebody to sue who are, you know, in disagreement with right now. And so I, all the cases that I've seen has been when the county makes an interpretation, and then the applicant then does the action, the debt action in return. The only debt action I've seen with the county has initiated was against the state, basically saying that it's unconstitutional and challenging the state. I don't know if this board has an appetite to do a debt action with the state. I think you still have the concern of even if you did a debt action against the state and you sued the state.

1548
02:15:30,240 --> 02:15:32,400
You saw the issue of how do you treat the ones locally here?

1549
02:15:32,660 --> 02:15:33,320
They'd still be there.

1550
02:15:34,080 --> 02:15:36,020
So I'm not sure there's a process, we can look into it,

1551
02:15:36,680 --> 02:15:39,960
if there's a process for us to initiate a deck action versus-

1552
02:15:39,960 --> 02:15:43,140
In other words, if we eliminate those zones,

1553
02:15:44,740 --> 02:15:45,720
then that-

1554
02:15:45,720 --> 02:15:47,620
And if they come to us, then they're going to say,

1555
02:15:47,700 --> 02:15:49,200
wait a minute, you've done that a league of the day.

1556
02:15:49,320 --> 02:15:50,500
And then they go to the judge and ask,

1557
02:15:50,560 --> 02:15:51,480
can't judge what are our rights.

1558
02:15:51,820 --> 02:15:54,380
I want to be very clear, if I may just jump in and share real quick.

1559
02:15:54,620 --> 02:15:57,640
My ask and commissioners and that your motion might be different,

1560
02:15:57,640 --> 02:16:26,560
But to preempt any sort of, and to make it very clear, any applications that come in under OUE-RE1 or residential classifications that you, your department, Josh, the OCA, you file legal action immediately do not pass go, I mean you pass go do it and make sure that you get a judge's determination on a declaratory action for these zoning determinations on these products, that's what I was looking forward to do, that was going to be my motion in the future, that's where I am.

1561
02:16:26,560 --> 02:16:32,040
I'm not necessarily concerned with, you know, anything subsequent to that, I think we need to get ahead of this.

1562
02:16:32,380 --> 02:16:51,580
Our public is, I mean, Commissioner Knight, after last week, I don't know how many, with yours, I've had dozens of conversations from individuals in our community that are, I rate, they're in the dark on this, and this is an opportunity, I think, and there's three other communities that I had researched that are not expanding into those zone categories.

1563
02:16:51,580 --> 02:16:55,260
And I believe, Josh, and Jonathan, this is a question for both of you when the

1564
02:16:55,260 --> 02:16:58,480
initial 2023 live local act came through.

1565
02:16:58,560 --> 02:16:59,960
What was our determination at that point?

1566
02:17:00,580 --> 02:17:01,200
That's a question.

1567
02:17:02,100 --> 02:17:02,580
We're guarding what?

1568
02:17:02,960 --> 02:17:05,460
On the OUE, OUE, RE-1-7.

1569
02:17:06,000 --> 02:17:06,560
What's that?

1570
02:17:06,920 --> 02:17:09,760
The definition was that it was based on the district heading.

1571
02:17:10,400 --> 02:17:13,240
And so back then, it was based on it being a commercial industrial heading.

1572
02:17:13,980 --> 02:17:18,500
The reaction was the definitions changed to say commercial codes and any district

1573
02:17:18,500 --> 02:17:20,760
that has other for-profit uses.

1574
02:17:21,320 --> 02:17:25,660
And so it's basically the change in 25 was changing the definition of industrial and commercial.

1575
02:17:25,880 --> 02:17:33,880
So I mean, our interpretation in 23 from, you know, county staff here was that the OUE RE1 and residential was not included, right?

1576
02:17:34,020 --> 02:17:38,760
25, I think the opinions change and you might have some notes, hold on a second, wait a second.

1577
02:17:39,200 --> 02:17:43,580
You might have some notes and some memos to go back and re-look at there, right?

1578
02:17:44,060 --> 02:17:48,780
But in the strictest determination of, at least from my perspective, what this needs to be,

1579
02:17:48,780 --> 02:18:15,960
and other communities are doing it, and Commissioner Smith to your point to protect our public, I believe it may not pass, and I'm willing to go ahead and go through it to try to push it through, but we need to be able to clearly define and to give you direction as Jonathan, you want direction from this board and policy that we give you direction and Josh as the county attorney, that any application under these just file suit on it, appropriate legal action, that's your world, and get a judge's determination immediately.

1580
02:18:15,960 --> 02:18:19,300
That's not how that works though, so to have a deck, I mean, what you're asking for is an advisory opinion.

1581
02:18:19,840 --> 02:18:22,760
You're asking the courts to do an advisory opinion on how it applies.

1582
02:18:24,220 --> 02:18:28,780
If you, to do a deck action, a deck judgment, you can't ask for an advisory opinion.

1583
02:18:28,860 --> 02:18:30,000
You have to basically have a controversy.

1584
02:18:30,580 --> 02:18:31,460
So what's the controversy?

1585
02:18:32,200 --> 02:18:36,480
And so that's why I'm asking you guys, if you want to interpret and not include RE1.

1586
02:18:36,760 --> 02:18:40,640
And I'd say all open use districts, not the limited to OUE, but all open use districts.

1587
02:18:40,980 --> 02:18:41,740
I think it was the intent.

1588
02:18:42,760 --> 02:18:43,820
That would be the first step.

1589
02:18:43,820 --> 02:18:50,400
And that's what happened with the plant city one you guys mentioned last time is they said it doesn't apply in that district and then the applicant

1590
02:18:50,400 --> 02:18:53,320
When did the DAC action you have to have a controversy first?

1591
02:18:53,880 --> 02:18:58,520
Just be clear we wouldn't accept an application then it was in one of those districts, correct?

1592
02:18:59,040 --> 02:19:04,940
Well, that's what I guess that's what we're asking you now after the last board meeting you guys wanted a memo on do we have to accept that R.E.

1593
02:19:04,940 --> 02:19:11,760
One and open use districts, qualifying or live local the memo on Friday kind of explains a process to where this board could make that policy interpretation

1594
02:19:11,760 --> 02:19:13,640
No, we don't want those to include it.

1595
02:19:14,320 --> 02:19:17,560
I think you're both saying that, if I may, I'm both saying the same thing.

1596
02:19:17,560 --> 02:19:21,400
It's just a process to get there, if I understand correctly.

1597
02:19:21,920 --> 02:19:23,780
It's that we wouldn't file the action.

1598
02:19:24,200 --> 02:19:30,280
By definition, you will have directed me and my staff on how to interpret it.

1599
02:19:30,520 --> 02:19:34,480
All of them would be not viewed as eligible under lived local.

1600
02:19:35,000 --> 02:19:38,620
The applicant would be notified of that by default because you've given us that policy

1601
02:19:38,620 --> 02:19:42,100
direction, and then they would have the opportunity to file that.

1602
02:19:42,180 --> 02:19:44,260
If they wanted to, or they could just let it, you know.

1603
02:19:44,600 --> 02:19:46,780
I think that gets you to the same spot.

1604
02:19:47,080 --> 02:19:49,460
Yeah, if it goes into a DAC action, I think that's how we get there.

1605
02:19:52,150 --> 02:19:54,410
It is, because it would be so important.

1606
02:19:54,690 --> 02:19:54,990
It's okay.

1607
02:19:55,730 --> 02:20:00,590
Yeah, I just think it needs to be very clear if the board decides that you guys have the

1608
02:20:00,590 --> 02:20:04,570
understanding that OUE, RE1, and residential 2, right?

1609
02:20:04,630 --> 02:20:08,610
We need a judges interpretation filed from the applicant to make sure that, I mean,

1610
02:20:08,610 --> 02:20:12,170
I mean, there's no case history really here up until a couple of cases that we have recently.

1611
02:20:12,770 --> 02:20:17,470
So, we need to know because we're the ones that are forward facing out in the community, you know, talking to the public.

1612
02:20:17,850 --> 02:20:21,850
And keep in mind other jurisdictions that it's very specific of what your districts allow.

1613
02:20:22,530 --> 02:20:28,770
And so, if all of our, you know, RE1 and open use districts didn't allow any for profit use without going through a special exception,

1614
02:20:29,310 --> 02:20:30,990
then they would not apply there, be very clear.

1615
02:20:31,470 --> 02:20:38,310
Here, it's interesting just because we do have some uses that are non-residential that are allowed in those districts.

1616
02:20:38,310 --> 02:20:43,110
And so that's where the question becomes, you know, and so if the board wanted to go down the path,

1617
02:20:45,250 --> 02:20:49,330
the county's argument would be that despite RE1 and OU, and Open Use Districts allowing

1618
02:20:49,330 --> 02:20:53,310
sub-non-residential uses by right, the purpose of the district's show that they are not

1619
02:20:53,730 --> 02:20:57,450
zoned for commercial industrial and mixed use as laid out in the Liberal local act.

1620
02:20:57,850 --> 02:20:59,590
And so that's the motion as I understand it.

1621
02:20:59,910 --> 02:21:03,830
Somebody submits an application in that category, it's denied.

1622
02:21:04,010 --> 02:21:06,990
It's not accepted, they're notified, that this is not accepted.

1623
02:21:06,990 --> 02:21:12,470
Then they can say, well, we believe it is, we're going to sue you, and the judge will weigh in on it.

1624
02:21:12,670 --> 02:21:17,110
Yes, and that's what happened in Plaint City, and I don't, and that's what the ones we've seen that

1625
02:21:17,110 --> 02:21:19,430
had how it's happened, timing-wise.

1626
02:21:20,030 --> 02:21:25,330
If it's the will of the board, the motion passes, does this affect any current applications?

1627
02:21:25,450 --> 02:21:27,610
I don't know how many we have that are at level three.

1628
02:21:27,990 --> 02:21:33,270
Yes, so right now, nobody has submitted for a certain development, which is where the,

1629
02:21:35,970 --> 02:21:36,370
you know,

1630
02:21:36,370 --> 02:21:41,450
to that sign of element process, and so if the board voted today that, again, the policy interpretation

1631
02:21:41,450 --> 02:21:45,770
would be that the RE1 and Open Use Districts do not qualify for development under-live

1632
02:21:45,770 --> 02:21:50,270
local act, then there will be an email that has a notification that goes out to every

1633
02:21:50,270 --> 02:21:55,050
applicant in there in those districts saying these do not qualify under-live local act.

1634
02:21:55,490 --> 02:21:59,710
And that would then be the trigger for them if they wanted to then challenge us in a

1635
02:21:59,710 --> 02:22:01,210
deck action or some other legal action.

1636
02:22:01,210 --> 02:22:05,550
Just motion, when would that, what was the process of getting that in force?

1637
02:22:05,950 --> 02:22:09,810
So I would say because it's a policy, it's a really a policy interpretation,

1638
02:22:10,210 --> 02:22:12,850
and so it would be effective right now if the board made that motion.

1639
02:22:13,030 --> 02:22:13,970
Mr. Knight, are you still on the board?

1640
02:22:14,310 --> 02:22:18,650
No, I think Commissioner Cushing has answered my question by your question was my concern,

1641
02:22:18,650 --> 02:22:22,850
I'm here for my citizens are, they're following the portal, we're trying to be transparent,

1642
02:22:23,570 --> 02:22:26,550
and it appears to them as just being pushed through.

1643
02:22:27,370 --> 02:22:29,990
And Commissioner Cushing is a great question to ask that.

1644
02:22:29,990 --> 02:22:38,050
I think Mark's motion will be where we need to be, and it gives clear direction to our county staff.

1645
02:22:38,350 --> 02:22:44,170
So I support the motion, allows Commissioner Nunder felt like he need to add something to it or modify it.

1646
02:22:44,470 --> 02:22:47,130
If you're good with it, that I'm good with the motion too, thank you.

1647
02:22:47,170 --> 02:22:47,210
Thank you.

1648
02:22:47,230 --> 02:22:50,110
Good with the motion, Mr. President, okay, commissioners, last.

1649
02:22:50,390 --> 02:22:57,390
Thank you, I think the thing that we have to go back to, though, is I think this board still would like to see workshops throughout the communities.

1650
02:22:57,390 --> 02:23:04,910
North, South, Central that are informative, that say this is what is in front of us.

1651
02:23:05,050 --> 02:23:09,950
This is how it came about, this is because I mean, when I'm out and about and

1652
02:23:09,950 --> 02:23:14,230
meeting with all my constituents, they're asking lots of questions about how do this come around,

1653
02:23:14,770 --> 02:23:17,530
how does it happen, who approves it, who doesn't approve it.

1654
02:23:17,750 --> 02:23:23,350
And so I think those informational workshops are just as critical to continue to be informative,

1655
02:23:23,350 --> 02:23:31,750
to continue to be very transparent that staff says, here's how it came about, here's who has purview, who doesn't have purview.

1656
02:23:32,450 --> 02:23:39,710
And I think those being scheduled, no different than our stormwater workshops that say, here's what we're doing, here's how we've got here.

1657
02:23:40,090 --> 02:23:49,610
So that historically people have the opportunity, if they choose to participate, they can understand that, or it can be recorded and put on electronically.

1658
02:23:50,210 --> 02:23:51,190
I just think it's very helpful.

1659
02:23:53,130 --> 02:23:56,150
Okay, so I have a motion and a second, any further discussion?

1660
02:23:57,230 --> 02:24:01,010
Okay, seeing none, are you clear with a motion?

1661
02:24:03,880 --> 02:24:04,280
Maybe.

1662
02:24:08,440 --> 02:24:13,520
No, no, no, no, he agreed to the second, the motion as presented by Commissioner Smith.

1663
02:24:14,760 --> 02:24:22,040
Okay, just real quick, Chair, if I may, could you read the exact motion back to me, I just want to real quick one last time.

1664
02:24:22,040 --> 02:24:23,000
I

1665
02:24:26,520 --> 02:24:38,060
would say that the board's policy decision regarding the statutory interpretation of the

1666
02:24:38,060 --> 02:24:44,460
Level Local Act would be that RE1 in all open use districts are not qualifying districts under

1667
02:24:44,460 --> 02:24:45,200
Level Local Act.

1668
02:24:48,740 --> 02:24:49,000
Okay.

1669
02:24:50,320 --> 02:24:52,740
All right, so I'm going to support the motion.

1670
02:24:52,740 --> 02:24:58,520
and I do, we need to be very aware of the fact that our attorney has indicated he believes

1671
02:24:58,520 --> 02:25:04,540
it's a difficult argument and that we may be on the hook for the fees associated with

1672
02:25:04,540 --> 02:25:04,680
that.

1673
02:25:05,060 --> 02:25:08,840
So just going into it, recognize that I think we need to have eyes wide open on that.

1674
02:25:09,240 --> 02:25:13,640
The other question along those lines is, is July 1st that change is correct?

1675
02:25:14,040 --> 02:25:17,680
So this would only deal with issues that have been in the city?

1676
02:25:19,060 --> 02:25:24,180
So I think we have a motion now, I think we might need a new second just because we re-stated it.

1677
02:25:24,540 --> 02:25:27,060
Okay. All right. Well, let's go ahead and call a question.

1678
02:25:27,440 --> 02:25:28,400
I think we need a second first.

1679
02:25:28,480 --> 02:25:31,340
Well, let's have a second. I think we're a little confused over here. Sorry about that.

1680
02:25:31,900 --> 02:25:32,720
All right. We have a second.

1681
02:25:33,180 --> 02:25:33,740
You're the second?

1682
02:25:35,620 --> 02:25:39,240
Two people have shaken their heads. So, which head is it?

1683
02:25:41,000 --> 02:25:41,360
Joe?

1684
02:25:41,980 --> 02:25:42,700
Commissioner Nunder.

1685
02:25:43,120 --> 02:25:43,820
Commissioner Nunder.

1686
02:25:44,240 --> 02:25:44,360
Okay.

1687
02:25:48,550 --> 02:25:48,910
That's...

1688
02:25:48,910 --> 02:25:49,830
As clerk got that?

1689
02:25:50,210 --> 02:25:50,850
Yes, we're set.

1690
02:25:51,150 --> 02:25:51,270
Okay.

1691
02:25:52,010 --> 02:25:53,050
All right, so we have a motion.

1692
02:25:53,610 --> 02:25:54,410
We have a second.

1693
02:25:55,070 --> 02:25:56,050
Go ahead and call the question.

1694
02:25:56,290 --> 02:25:57,050
All in favor, aye.

1695
02:25:57,730 --> 02:25:59,570
Chair votes, aye, that moves forward.

1696
02:26:00,410 --> 02:26:02,890
Okay, that was under actually Commissioner Nights' report.

1697
02:26:03,610 --> 02:26:05,850
Yeah, and then so I'll be done with it.

1698
02:26:06,290 --> 02:26:09,670
Do we want to do a motion that Commissioner Mass,

1699
02:26:09,790 --> 02:26:13,110
and I discussed about having staff go out

1700
02:26:13,110 --> 02:26:17,890
and explain the decisions to community workshops,

1701
02:26:17,890 --> 02:26:33,610
and I would make a motion that live local decisions that staff will go to community workshops and provide interpretation information of live local upon their decision of live local act.

1702
02:26:33,610 --> 02:26:34,590
Okay.

1703
02:26:36,850 --> 02:26:44,390
Could I question clarification? Yeah. So you talked about workshops like or notifications

1704
02:26:44,390 --> 02:26:50,770
neighborhood things like the stormwater. So we're going to what we're talking about is a community

1705
02:26:50,770 --> 02:26:56,850
workshop or community informational meeting on live local projects, but not specific projects

1706
02:26:56,850 --> 02:27:05,390
correct. Just just informational about the whole live local process, correct? Okay. So that's

1707
02:27:05,390 --> 02:27:10,110
It's clear I can serve the interim this excuse me commissioner cussing that's why I didn't say individual petition

1708
02:27:10,110 --> 02:27:14,550
Okay, I just want to clear that yeah, so that's the motion. All right. Thank you. All right

1709
02:27:14,550 --> 02:27:21,190
So we have a motion and a second go ahead and call a question on favor. I I share votes. I that moves forward as well

1710
02:27:21,190 --> 02:27:23,450
Okay, anything further commission tonight

1711
02:27:24,210 --> 02:27:27,690
Okay, Commissioner Nunder. It's all been taken care of. Okay

1712
02:27:29,810 --> 02:27:35,030
All right, and I have no further reports will move on to item 24 administration

1713
02:27:39,010 --> 02:27:48,490
Okay. Let's move on to a public hearing section of our agenda. We have one here, public hearing item number 26,

1714
02:27:49,610 --> 02:28:01,870
Parks, Recreation, and National Resources. Public hearing to adopt ordinance number 2026-008 for a referendum election relating to the extension of the environmentally sensitive lands and parkland program.

1715
02:28:01,870 --> 02:28:08,190
0.25 mill ad valorem tax for an additional 20 year period and further relating to a bond

1716
02:28:08,190 --> 02:28:14,610
referendum for the issuance of bonds and an aggregate principle amount not to exceed $250

1717
02:28:14,610 --> 02:28:19,390
million. And for that, we have Kim. Kim, welcome.

1718
02:28:19,990 --> 02:28:25,270
Good morning commissioners. For the record, Kim Huberger, Senior Manager with Parks, Recreation

1719
02:28:25,270 --> 02:28:30,330
and Natural Resources. I'm here this morning to present information on this ordinance for

1720
02:28:30,330 --> 02:28:34,010
for the referendum election to extend the environmentally sensitive lands protection

1721
02:28:34,010 --> 02:28:35,630
program and the park land program.

1722
02:28:36,250 --> 02:28:42,030
And before I begin, I would like to recognize that we have several of our partners here

1723
02:28:42,030 --> 02:28:47,770
with the Trust for Public Land, Big Waters Land Trust, and the Gulf Coast Community Foundation

1724
02:28:48,360 --> 02:28:53,370
who are here today and can assist with any technical questions that you may have.

1725
02:29:00,620 --> 02:29:02,760
I know you're all familiar with the current programs.

1726
02:29:02,760 --> 02:29:08,340
I'll provide just some brief background information on the programs for context.

1727
02:29:08,960 --> 02:29:14,940
The environmentally sensitive lands protection program, also known as ESLIP, was first created

1728
02:29:14,940 --> 02:29:19,240
in 1999 through the passage of a voter referendum.

1729
02:29:20,280 --> 02:29:30,740
The 1999 referendum authorized a 20-year advalorem tax of up to 0.25 mills that would fund the ESLIP

1730
02:29:30,740 --> 02:29:37,840
through 2019. The referendum also authorized at that time up to $53 million in bonding.

1731
02:29:39,140 --> 02:29:45,300
At that time, the S-LOC, the Environment, Sensitive Lands Oversight Committee was created to

1732
02:29:45,300 --> 02:29:50,980
advise the county commission and the S-LOC was first established with 18 protection priority

1733
02:29:50,980 --> 02:29:56,460
sites that were identified throughout the county. That has since grown to 33 sites. These

1734
02:29:56,460 --> 02:29:59,740
These are identified as geographical areas of interest.

1735
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:02,000
Based on ecological criteria.

1736
02:30:08,040 --> 02:30:11,620
The environmentally sensitive lands protection program was so successful

1737
02:30:11,620 --> 02:30:19,300
that within six years, the second referendum was authorized by the board to extend the program and

1738
02:30:19,300 --> 02:30:26,360
add a neighborhood parkland acquisition program component. That was held in November 2005 and passed

1739
02:30:26,360 --> 02:30:34,120
with 80% majority of voters. This included continuing the environmentally sensitive lands protection program

1740
02:30:34,120 --> 02:30:40,860
for 10 years through 2029 and also expanded the scope to add the Parkland program which was really

1741
02:30:40,860 --> 02:30:46,840
added to allow the acquisition of Parklands that provide water access, trails, and kind of the

1742
02:30:46,840 --> 02:30:52,840
more urban green space that didn't meet the criteria of the SLIP program. That referendum also

1743
02:30:52,840 --> 02:30:56,980
authorized up to 250 million in bonding capacity for the programs.

1744
02:31:07,370 --> 02:31:08,290
Since the Environmental

1745
02:31:08,290 --> 02:31:11,830
The family sensitive lands protection program began in 1999.

1746
02:31:12,430 --> 02:31:20,770
The county has protected over 100 properties of approximately 42,000 acres.

1747
02:31:21,450 --> 02:31:25,790
One of the most recognizable that you'll all remember is the recent 100th acquisition

1748
02:31:25,790 --> 02:31:28,450
of Camp Venice or this in a cave and campground.

1749
02:31:29,370 --> 02:31:35,870
Some other examples are red bug slew preserve, the deer prey creek preserve, and the old Mayaka

1750
02:31:35,870 --> 02:31:41,390
preserve as well as multiple conservation easements such as the Longino Ranch and Carlton Ranch.

1751
02:31:41,850 --> 02:31:48,290
The acquisitions through this program have preserved thousands of acres, safeguarding water

1752
02:31:48,290 --> 02:31:53,370
resources, providing many opportunities for nature-based recreation, environmental education,

1753
02:31:53,710 --> 02:31:54,270
and stewardship.

1754
02:31:57,970 --> 02:32:02,270
Since the addition of the neighborhood parkland acquisition program,

1755
02:32:02,750 --> 02:32:07,610
the county has acquired over 30 properties that expand existing parks, create new parks,

1756
02:32:07,610 --> 02:32:13,210
provide water access and connect people to trails. Some of the notable parkland

1757
02:32:13,210 --> 02:32:17,610
acquisitions are Senator Bob Johnson's Landing, Osprey Junction, Trailhead,

1758
02:32:17,610 --> 02:32:22,730
and even the Bayfront Park Edition up on Longbow Key. This program has provided a

1759
02:32:22,730 --> 02:32:26,010
range of outdoor recreation opportunities through these acquisitions.

1760
02:32:31,010 --> 02:32:31,430
We've

1761
02:32:31,430 --> 02:32:35,570
been working on this process for a while now. In 2023 staff completed a

1762
02:32:35,570 --> 02:32:41,130
department strategic plan item on park referendum planning and at the

1763
02:32:41,130 --> 02:32:50,890
In March, budget workshop that year, the board directed the county administrator to begin planning for a referendum to extend the land acquisition program to be held in 2026.

1764
02:32:52,130 --> 02:33:07,170
In 2024, staff completed a land acquisition and park referendum timeline and implementation plan and last November, our staff provided an update to the board that included staff recommendations for the referendum scope for the board's consideration.

1765
02:33:07,170 --> 02:33:08,250
The

1766
02:33:14,720 --> 02:33:19,380
scope that was presented in November is reflected in the draft ordinance and

1767
02:33:19,380 --> 02:33:26,460
include keeping the up to 0.25 mills ad valorem tax the same as the current program.

1768
02:33:27,140 --> 02:33:30,280
Continuing the environmentally sensitive lands protection program.

1769
02:33:31,160 --> 02:33:37,420
Continuing the neighborhood park land acquisition program with a slight tweak to the name to be the park land acquisition program.

1770
02:33:37,420 --> 02:33:43,640
extending the program for an additional 20 years through 2049 and authorizing a bond

1771
02:33:43,640 --> 02:33:47,100
referendum of up to $250 million in bonding capacity.

1772
02:33:52,040 --> 02:34:01,740
As there were in 1999 and 2005, there will be two ballot questions proposed for this

1773
02:34:01,740 --> 02:34:02,400
referendum.

1774
02:34:03,020 --> 02:34:07,480
The first ballot question is very similar to what was done in 2005.

1775
02:34:07,480 --> 02:34:15,880
live. This includes the advolarm tax of not to exceed 0.25 mills to be continued for 20 years

1776
02:34:15,880 --> 02:34:22,040
through 2049 and to continue the program that would include the acquisition, protection

1777
02:34:22,040 --> 02:34:26,980
and management of environmentally sensitive lands as well as the acquisition and management

1778
02:34:26,980 --> 02:34:30,820
of parklands for conservation and for public recreation.

1779
02:34:36,720 --> 02:34:39,680
And then the second question would be related to the bonding.

1780
02:34:40,620 --> 02:34:46,640
It would be continued for the life of the program in an amount not to exceed $250 million.

1781
02:34:46,860 --> 02:34:51,820
That would be payable from the up to .25 mill advalorem tax.

1782
02:34:52,420 --> 02:34:59,140
This is the same amount as the 2005 referendum and we believe that this amount continues to be appropriate for the current referendum.

1783
02:34:59,140 --> 02:35:00,240
So,

1784
02:35:04,870 --> 02:35:10,010
for next steps, pending adoption by the board, the ordinance would then become effective

1785
02:35:10,010 --> 02:35:15,250
upon filing with the Department of State, and in addition, staff will continue to promote

1786
02:35:15,850 --> 02:35:20,810
community education and awareness of the current successful land acquisition and management

1787
02:35:20,810 --> 02:35:22,790
program is allowed by State Statute.

1788
02:35:26,010 --> 02:35:30,350
This concludes my presentation, and this slide shows the proposed motion and I'm available

1789
02:35:30,350 --> 02:35:31,090
for any questions.

1790
02:35:33,210 --> 02:35:38,610
Okay. Great presentation. Thank you. Do you have a couple of commissioners on the board? Start Commissioner Mast.

1791
02:35:39,170 --> 02:35:47,910
Thank you, Chair. First of all, I want to say what a premier public private partnership this has been and I believe will continue to be.

1792
02:35:48,630 --> 02:35:55,030
I remember when this was first put in place and I know that there are some skeptics and I think we've proven them all wrong.

1793
02:35:55,030 --> 02:35:58,510
For those of you that are here today who are a part of this, you know who you are.

1794
02:35:58,650 --> 02:36:05,150
I thank you for your diligent, relentless pursuit and I thank you for all that you do.

1795
02:36:06,630 --> 02:36:12,410
I just have, I know I preemptive you on this but can you tell us how far we are away

1796
02:36:12,410 --> 02:36:17,970
from being at 40% because I have a goal that I really want to see us get there and I know

1797
02:36:17,970 --> 02:36:19,270
that we have some work to do.

1798
02:36:19,590 --> 02:36:23,430
But I do believe that I will not only be very supportive of this but I would love to make

1799
02:36:23,430 --> 02:36:29,510
the motion for it but I would like to know where we're at and I know we have some additional

1800
02:36:29,510 --> 02:36:33,310
stuff coming on the 21st which I'm super excited about so I don't want to take any thunder for

1801
02:36:33,310 --> 02:36:38,710
anybody but I know there are projections on how long it might take us to get to 40% and hopefully

1802
02:36:38,710 --> 02:36:47,730
that's very quickly so I think we're at like 33, 34. We're currently at just over 34% and we would

1803
02:36:47,730 --> 02:36:55,690
We probably need approximately another 20,000 acres to get to 40% protected within the county.

1804
02:36:56,010 --> 02:36:56,490
That's my goal.

1805
02:36:56,730 --> 02:37:00,130
And that would be county, state, and other plants.

1806
02:37:00,790 --> 02:37:00,850
Yes.

1807
02:37:01,890 --> 02:37:01,990
Okay.

1808
02:37:02,530 --> 02:37:03,170
Thank you, Chair.

1809
02:37:03,170 --> 02:37:04,330
I'll make the motion when necessary.

1810
02:37:04,970 --> 02:37:05,490
Mr. Smith.

1811
02:37:06,330 --> 02:37:06,570
Yeah.

1812
02:37:06,590 --> 02:37:10,710
Well, thank you for the presentation and the efforts of the group that's in the audience.

1813
02:37:11,450 --> 02:37:13,690
As I've stated before, we're on the clock.

1814
02:37:15,210 --> 02:37:20,450
those that believe are overdeveloped, one way to kind of curb that is to make sure that

1815
02:37:20,450 --> 02:37:21,330
we protect the land.

1816
02:37:22,170 --> 02:37:29,750
And so everybody out there listening, please vote for these measures and so anyway, thank

1817
02:37:29,750 --> 02:37:31,990
you and thanks for all that are trying to make this happen.

1818
02:37:32,890 --> 02:37:33,630
Sure, none there.

1819
02:37:33,810 --> 02:37:34,430
Yeah, thank you, Chair.

1820
02:37:34,630 --> 02:37:35,570
Just thank you to staff.

1821
02:37:35,730 --> 02:37:36,290
Great presentation.

1822
02:37:36,590 --> 02:37:38,190
Happy to support this as it moves forward.

1823
02:37:38,190 --> 02:38:02,510
Legally, when and where I can talk about it and not get in trouble, and certainly acknowledge, I know right after, but Christine, thank you both, your true patriots for our community, you love our home, and that means a lot to me, love our home, too, and this is a big step in the right direction for our kids and our grandkids and the fun that we have here, so thank you all very much, and I'm happy to support it.

1824
02:38:03,910 --> 02:38:09,410
I didn't want to be left out wrong, so I just, no, I just, I see John Thacks and sitting back there and

1825
02:38:11,250 --> 02:38:32,450
what this county commission did well before the five of us got here, the vision that was there to start this program and the community's support is, I just find myself honored to be sitting here today and being one to support the motion when the commissioner must makes it, that we continue on with this and protecting our community and protecting this county and making those specials that it really is.

1826
02:38:32,450 --> 02:38:34,670
and so thanks for what you guys are doing.

1827
02:38:34,850 --> 02:38:36,010
Thank you for the presentation.

1828
02:38:39,130 --> 02:38:42,670
Okay, yeah, I mean, I've spoken to this many times.

1829
02:38:43,070 --> 02:38:44,370
I just love this program.

1830
02:38:44,370 --> 02:38:45,270
What a great success.

1831
02:38:46,230 --> 02:38:47,590
Thrilled to be able to support it

1832
02:38:47,590 --> 02:38:50,270
and especially great to work with this group

1833
02:38:50,270 --> 02:38:51,950
who's done so much for Ceresota County

1834
02:38:51,950 --> 02:38:54,050
and the preservation of our beautiful

1835
02:38:54,050 --> 02:38:55,030
and natural environment.

1836
02:38:55,150 --> 02:38:56,070
Thank you for the work you do.

1837
02:38:56,570 --> 02:38:59,170
I do have some cards on this, so I'll go ahead

1838
02:38:59,170 --> 02:39:00,690
and move to public testimony.

1839
02:39:01,610 --> 02:39:07,530
I'm not sure I do have the three of you back there as cards are you going to speak to this or you hear us a resource?

1840
02:39:09,390 --> 02:39:10,390
You're going to come forward.

1841
02:39:10,670 --> 02:39:17,270
Okay. All right. So I have Lordes Ramirez, Christine Johnson, Pigeon Handrahan, and John Thachston.

1842
02:39:25,840 --> 02:39:27,880
Right. So I said, are you?

1843
02:39:29,460 --> 02:39:33,440
Good morning. My name is Lordes Ramirez. I'm here represented in protection as the key.

1844
02:39:33,840 --> 02:39:36,600
I want to begin by asserting us something fundamental.

1845
02:39:36,600 --> 02:39:42,220
My right to stand here and speak today. Under the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution,

1846
02:39:42,540 --> 02:39:46,620
I have the right to petition my government for redress of grievances and to speak openly

1847
02:39:46,620 --> 02:39:51,500
on matters that affect my community, that does not disappear because there's a settlement

1848
02:39:51,500 --> 02:39:56,280
agreement. It does not disappear because their decisions are difficult, and it certainly

1849
02:39:56,280 --> 02:40:01,840
does not disappear when public funds and public lands are involved. I'm here today because

1850
02:40:01,840 --> 02:40:06,020
the public deserves transparency, accountability, and another voice in any

1851
02:40:06,020 --> 02:40:07,320
both the parkland program.

1852
02:40:07,820 --> 02:40:12,980
This refers to the potential exchange of the $1.4 million publicly-loan parcel,

1853
02:40:13,280 --> 02:40:17,540
land that was purchased with taxpayer dollars, for lots that are according to

1854
02:40:17,540 --> 02:40:22,740
the 2025 property appraisers websites were valued at above $84,000,

1855
02:40:22,860 --> 02:40:25,780
and are widely understood to be unbuildable.

1856
02:40:26,440 --> 02:40:30,040
This information is easily verifiable on the county website,

1857
02:40:30,040 --> 02:40:35,900
And speaking about it is not only appropriate as we discussed the ballot referendum, it is necessary.

1858
02:40:36,340 --> 02:40:40,240
Because this parcel at 162B Road was not acquired casually.

1859
02:40:41,140 --> 02:40:43,480
It was purchased through the neighborhood Parkland Program.

1860
02:40:44,040 --> 02:40:46,460
A program that funded by taxpayers for

1861
02:40:46,460 --> 02:40:52,280
the very specific purpose to preserve and protect the lands that matter to the community.

1862
02:40:52,880 --> 02:40:56,800
And to be clear, this program has done a great deal of good.

1863
02:40:56,800 --> 02:41:02,880
It has preserved important lands, protected our natural environment, enhanced the quality

1864
02:41:02,880 --> 02:41:08,500
of life for residents across the county, and it reflects a shared community value that

1865
02:41:08,500 --> 02:41:11,660
some places are worth protecting for future generations.

1866
02:41:12,480 --> 02:41:18,760
And now you're asking the voters to extend that program to 2049, and here's an important

1867
02:41:18,760 --> 02:41:20,400
question the public should ask.

1868
02:41:20,960 --> 02:41:25,000
How can we trust that these lands will be protected if they're traded away like that?

1869
02:41:25,000 --> 02:41:33,420
And what about the paying significantly more for the sticky point project using neighborhood park land funds?

1870
02:41:33,720 --> 02:41:38,500
Are we using our funds as efficiently and responsibly as the public expects?

1871
02:41:39,240 --> 02:41:42,920
This is bigger than one or two parcels, this is about public trust.

1872
02:41:43,420 --> 02:41:47,880
If land purchase for conservation is traded for less, or if we overpay for land,

1873
02:41:48,080 --> 02:41:53,540
then it raises serious questions about whether the intent of this program is actually being upheld by our county.

1874
02:41:53,540 --> 02:41:58,700
because the voters need to know as we continue to fund it, how it works.

1875
02:41:59,300 --> 02:42:03,140
So I'm asking you as you consider to move forward and promote this ballot referendum.

1876
02:42:03,720 --> 02:42:06,180
I'm asking you to uphold that promise.

1877
02:42:06,640 --> 02:42:11,440
Protect the integrity of the neighborhood parkland program, ensure that any lands purchased

1878
02:42:11,440 --> 02:42:16,940
reflex fair value is protected and provide the clear public benefit.

1879
02:42:17,920 --> 02:42:21,740
Because once public trust is lost, it's not easily regained.

1880
02:42:21,740 --> 02:42:27,400
And while we support this ballot referendum, we just want to make sure you do things right.

1881
02:42:27,800 --> 02:42:28,200
Thank you.

1882
02:42:28,800 --> 02:42:29,300
Okay.

1883
02:42:29,440 --> 02:42:29,760
Thank you.

1884
02:42:29,940 --> 02:42:30,660
Christine Johnson.

1885
02:42:36,480 --> 02:42:37,500
Good morning, commissioners.

1886
02:42:37,980 --> 02:42:41,580
I'm Christine, Provost Johnson, President of Big Waters Land Trust, and I want to thank

1887
02:42:41,580 --> 02:42:44,960
you so very much for placing this on today's agenda.

1888
02:42:45,440 --> 02:42:49,120
The referendum for November's ballot to extend the environmentally sensitive lands and

1889
02:42:49,120 --> 02:42:54,400
parkland programs, as you all have said, and as you all have vowed, is so important to

1890
02:42:54,400 --> 02:42:55,000
our community.

1891
02:42:55,000 --> 02:43:02,380
You know how wildly successful these programs are and how extremely popular they are with Sarasota County citizens.

1892
02:43:02,380 --> 02:43:06,720
You heard that in 20 2005 it passed by 80%.

1893
02:43:07,210 --> 02:43:14,160
Also the Legacy Trail initiative passed in 2018, another very similar initiative by 71%.

1894
02:43:14,410 --> 02:43:20,580
And Big Waters Land Trust was part of both of those and we will continue to be a strategic partner with Sarasota County.

1895
02:43:20,580 --> 02:43:25,940
Big Waters has protected over 20,000 acres as we partnered with Sarasota County to

1896
02:43:25,940 --> 02:43:31,240
conserve over 9,000 of our 20,000 acres through the out-the-life cycle of the

1897
02:43:31,240 --> 02:43:33,960
environmentally sensitive lands and parkland programs.

1898
02:43:34,860 --> 02:43:39,640
Again, on this ballot measure, Big Waters is partnering with Trust for Public Land,

1899
02:43:39,920 --> 02:43:46,040
Gulf Coast Community Foundation, and many citizens to conserve these lands in public open places.

1900
02:43:46,040 --> 02:43:59,360
We've created a pack that we will educate and advocate for the successful pack passage of the 20-year extension of these programs as well as its bonding which helps us quicken the pace of land conservation.

1901
02:44:00,200 --> 02:44:07,380
It is said that society is defined not only by what it creates but by what it refuses to destroy.

1902
02:44:08,120 --> 02:44:16,020
Sarasota County is defined in great part by the 34% of its properties that this county has

1903
02:44:16,020 --> 02:44:22,620
conserved. Land refused to destroy and we only have a short time window to save the remaining

1904
02:44:22,620 --> 02:44:29,220
natural lands which we just understood is 20,000 acres to get us to that 40%. It's a great goal.

1905
02:44:30,040 --> 02:44:35,360
So thank you very much for putting it on the ballot. Thank you for vowing your support of this

1906
02:44:35,360 --> 02:44:40,680
program, and know that big water's land trust and others here today will ensure that it passes

1907
02:44:40,680 --> 02:44:43,760
overwhelmingly this November. Thank you.

1908
02:44:44,520 --> 02:44:50,820
Thank you. Thank you for the work you do in helping us make that possible.

1909
02:44:56,600 --> 02:44:59,400
Thank you, Chair Cuttsinger, members of the County Commission.

1910
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:29,720
My name is Peggy Inhandrahan, I'm with Trust for Public Land. I really want to just thank you for the leadership that you continue to show and protecting natural Florida, and especially this beautiful God-given place of Sarasota County. I have worked with about 50 local governments across the southeast, and if they were a graduating class, I think I'm going to call Sarasota County one of the valedictorians. There are a few covaledictorians, but the couple of things that I've seen here in addition to the incredible

1911
02:45:29,720 --> 02:45:34,120
All metrics of your voters saying yes multiple times on these types of measures.

1912
02:45:34,740 --> 02:45:39,920
And we, as you know, chaircut singers and seeers so deeply involved as a citizen at the time.

1913
02:45:39,940 --> 02:45:45,400
We worked very hard with the same groups, big waters land trusts to Gulf Coast Community Foundation.

1914
02:45:45,400 --> 02:45:49,260
And in that case, friends of the legacy trail to help pass the legacy trail referendum.

1915
02:45:49,980 --> 02:45:53,920
What I was so impressed with at this county government and it's a credit to Mr.

1916
02:45:53,920 --> 02:45:59,640
Louis and all of the staff that work here is how quickly the county executed on that project.

1917
02:45:59,680 --> 02:46:05,900
There was a vision created, there was a referendum brought forward, citizens voted overwhelmingly forward.

1918
02:46:06,040 --> 02:46:13,060
And then the county delivered really quickly in partnership with local partners, private funds that were brought together,

1919
02:46:13,660 --> 02:46:18,940
state funds that were brought together, and of course, working with neighborhoods and communities.

1920
02:46:18,940 --> 02:46:25,400
So that execution is what I think really sets you all apart as an incredible organization.

1921
02:46:25,960 --> 02:46:28,760
Trust Republic Land continues to work here in Sarasota County.

1922
02:46:28,800 --> 02:46:38,540
We're continuing through the work of Charles Hines, so I know you know is working out the Florida Gulf Coast Trail and we have additional connections that we're working on here in Sarasota County.

1923
02:46:39,020 --> 02:46:45,840
But this environmental, environmentally sensitive and park land program is a really broader vision than just the trails.

1924
02:46:45,840 --> 02:46:52,460
It does include trails, but includes all of the natural areas, potentially agricultural areas.

1925
02:46:52,640 --> 02:46:58,020
Everyone should see themselves in this picture, whether they're rural residents, suburban residents,

1926
02:46:58,180 --> 02:47:05,920
or urban residents, or something here for them, and the accountability associated with the tight fiscal controls

1927
02:47:05,920 --> 02:47:09,620
and citizen oversight that you've implemented are really to your credit.

1928
02:47:09,900 --> 02:47:13,160
So again, I want to thank you for what you're doing here.

1929
02:47:13,160 --> 02:47:16,900
We will be here with you through election night as you know

1930
02:47:16,900 --> 02:47:18,200
their strict

1931
02:47:20,380 --> 02:47:26,380
Controls on the county expending funds you all still have your first amendment rights to speak out in favor of it

1932
02:47:26,380 --> 02:47:31,960
And we know that you will but thank you again on behalf of the trust republic land and all of us that are here to support you

1933
02:47:33,080 --> 02:47:34,340
well, thank you and

1934
02:47:35,420 --> 02:47:38,160
Yeah, it does bring back great memories and

1935
02:47:38,620 --> 02:47:41,420
Looking forward to the same kind of celebration at the end of this

1936
02:47:43,080 --> 02:47:53,020
So, thank you for helping Mr. Thakson, I did that backwards, I should have had you speak and then let Pagin be the final speaker to kind of cap it off, you know what I mean?

1937
02:47:53,200 --> 02:47:55,160
I think that would have been the right thing to do.

1938
02:47:56,140 --> 02:47:56,220
But.

1939
02:47:56,880 --> 02:47:57,400
I agree.

1940
02:47:57,860 --> 02:47:58,560
No, I agree.

1941
02:47:59,120 --> 02:48:00,880
Yeah, Pagin is amazing.

1942
02:48:01,640 --> 02:48:04,500
She's a great partner for the record, Mr. Chairman.

1943
02:48:04,500 --> 02:48:09,160
My name is John Thachston, and I'm here on behalf of the Gulf Coast Community Foundation.

1944
02:48:09,900 --> 02:48:14,860
And we appreciate the opportunity to have been asked by the county to provide technical assistance

1945
02:48:15,560 --> 02:48:17,780
to get the passage of this referendum.

1946
02:48:18,480 --> 02:48:24,540
In addition, the Gulf Coast Community Board of Directors has dedicated Monday to

1947
02:48:24,540 --> 02:48:30,260
outreach education and advocacy to support the passage of the referendum.

1948
02:48:30,260 --> 02:48:40,610
time and again the voters and the citizens have said that protecting environmental lands and creating new parks is a top priority for this community.

1949
02:48:41,170 --> 02:48:51,590
That's because the community and this board understands that conserved open space not only protects habitat for wildlife, threatened and endangered species and recreation for human.

1950
02:48:51,590 --> 02:49:00,470
It also provides for the purification of air and runoff before entering into Sarasota Bay, as well as stormwater,

1951
02:49:01,490 --> 02:49:04,250
storing stormwater that protects homes from flooding.

1952
02:49:04,950 --> 02:49:13,150
While you will not find the environmentally sensitive lands and parkland's properties on the county's inventory of capital infrastructure assets.

1953
02:49:13,890 --> 02:49:18,150
But in terms of water treatment, flood prevention, clean air,

1954
02:49:18,150 --> 02:49:23,910
These land investments are one of the county's most valuable utilities.

1955
02:49:25,050 --> 02:49:29,650
Seriously, the county's environmentally sensitive land program is one of the most successful in the state.

1956
02:49:30,010 --> 02:49:33,370
It is enthusiastically supported and trusted by its citizens.

1957
02:49:33,750 --> 02:49:45,370
It is a market-driven, volunteer, non-regulatory program, and we encourage the board to adopt ordinance number 26-0-0-8.

1958
02:49:45,370 --> 02:49:52,330
and let's let the voters decide. Thank you John. Okay that was last car ahead on

1959
02:49:52,330 --> 02:49:59,510
that so I'll go ahead and any further questions? Seeing none I'll close the

1960
02:49:59,510 --> 02:50:06,590
public hearing and look for a motion and I will get to Commissioner Mass on

1961
02:50:06,590 --> 02:50:11,910
that. Is there anything further with the motion on the screen for us if you

1962
02:50:11,910 --> 02:50:17,930
She had one. I think the elbows up right now. The wolf has taken over.

1963
02:50:20,870 --> 02:50:22,590
As you can say, the proof has presented.

1964
02:50:29,790 --> 02:50:30,090
There you go.

1965
02:50:30,470 --> 02:50:36,830
I make a motion to adopt number 2026-048 for a referendum election relating to the extension

1966
02:50:36,830 --> 02:50:43,410
of the environmentally sensitive lands and Parkland program with a .25 millage advalorant tax

1967
02:50:43,410 --> 02:50:48,710
for an additional 20 year period and further relating to a bond referendum for the issuance

1968
02:50:48,710 --> 02:50:53,090
of bonds and an aggregate principal amount not to exceed $250 million.

1969
02:50:53,930 --> 02:50:55,250
Motion to have a second.

1970
02:50:55,470 --> 02:50:58,510
Second by Commissioner Smith, any further discussion?

1971
02:50:59,910 --> 02:51:01,470
Seeing none, I'll call the question.

1972
02:51:01,610 --> 02:51:02,430
On favor, aye.

1973
02:51:02,810 --> 02:51:03,010
Aye.

1974
02:51:03,210 --> 02:51:05,310
Chair votes, aye, that moves forward unanimously.

1975
02:51:06,490 --> 02:51:07,270
All right, thank you.

1976
02:51:08,250 --> 02:51:10,150
And thank you for the presentation.

1977
02:51:11,370 --> 02:51:16,290
OK, with that, that was our last public hearing.

1978
02:51:16,290 --> 02:51:22,010
So now we'll move to item 27, which is our closing open to the public. I do have two cards.

1979
02:51:24,010 --> 02:51:29,730
Mary looks like another one. I'll read all three names here and make you way forward.

1980
02:51:30,930 --> 02:51:37,550
Okay, we have Mary Beth Jones, Lordus Ramirez, and Christopher J. Oriel.

1981
02:51:41,260 --> 02:51:42,420
You will have three minutes.

1982
02:51:47,770 --> 02:51:50,690
Good morning. Yes. Good morning, commissioner. Some Mary Beth Jones.

1983
02:51:50,690 --> 02:51:58,190
I signed a speaker's card. I live in Pennington place at 7-7-6. I'm going to speak in the mic. Thank you.

1984
02:52:00,760 --> 02:52:13,940
I was out along Minnesota Beach Road again yesterday taking some measurements. Since we cannot get any specific information about how the county is planning to straighten this right turn lane, 150 feet.

1985
02:52:14,600 --> 02:52:20,980
This is facing out to the dangerous intersection there at 7-7-6 and this

1986
02:52:20,980 --> 02:52:26,500
picture I hope you can see where that curve is. So it's out there with my

1987
02:52:26,500 --> 02:52:33,200
measuring tape yesterday. Walked this whole distance, came up to where we're

1988
02:52:33,200 --> 02:52:34,620
down here at the storm drain.

1989
02:52:36,660 --> 02:52:40,180
12 feet. This is just my guess from where I would

1990
02:52:40,720 --> 02:52:42,880
assume they're going to do this extension.

1991
02:52:43,400 --> 02:52:45,660
We're 12 feet here from the sidewalk now.

1992
02:52:46,460 --> 02:52:48,840
And how much farther if they tear up the sidewalk

1993
02:52:48,840 --> 02:52:50,720
is that going to come over to these homes?

1994
02:52:52,400 --> 02:52:53,920
It's just crazy.

1995
02:52:54,560 --> 02:52:55,920
This never should be happening.

1996
02:52:56,600 --> 02:52:58,360
My neighbor came out with a welcome sign

1997
02:52:58,360 --> 02:53:01,600
because people are already coming through our villas,

1998
02:53:01,760 --> 02:53:03,680
and this is only going to compound it.

1999
02:53:07,210 --> 02:53:09,450
Yesterday, let me use my other one.

2000
02:53:10,670 --> 02:53:11,850
Yesterday in the mail.

2001
02:53:11,850 --> 02:53:21,640
We receive, we receive more good news, we're going to spend another summer fighting more development while the snowbirds are gone.

2002
02:53:22,540 --> 02:53:29,340
I can name two individuals behind the change from keyway to Manusota Beach Road that knew this is exactly what was going to happen.

2003
02:53:32,520 --> 02:53:35,820
I wish big waters land trusts would come in and buy this property.

2004
02:53:36,400 --> 02:53:44,720
They want to take 18 acres which is mostly wetlands and somehow build 110 unit apartment community.

2005
02:53:44,720 --> 02:53:46,900
with a pool in the clubhouse.

2006
02:53:48,340 --> 02:53:50,560
I wrote cannot take any more of this.

2007
02:53:52,020 --> 02:53:53,200
And it's just non-stop.

2008
02:53:53,620 --> 02:53:56,860
Everything that's left that's green is getting bought up.

2009
02:53:58,700 --> 02:54:00,180
We're just over it.

2010
02:54:01,420 --> 02:54:03,160
We're still against this whole thing.

2011
02:54:03,320 --> 02:54:04,640
It needs to go back to key way.

2012
02:54:06,800 --> 02:54:10,600
This intersection has been bad from day one.

2013
02:54:10,940 --> 02:54:12,920
Ken Stokes redesigned two years ago

2014
02:54:12,920 --> 02:54:17,820
And the current design are not safe, do not take into account resident's homes,

2015
02:54:18,280 --> 02:54:22,040
quality of life, property values, or safety.

2016
02:54:22,820 --> 02:54:24,100
Go back to key way.

2017
02:54:26,340 --> 02:54:27,760
What else do I have to say?

2018
02:54:28,060 --> 02:54:28,840
I guess that's it.

2019
02:54:30,240 --> 02:54:31,620
I just wish this would stop.

2020
02:54:32,880 --> 02:54:33,860
There's still time.

2021
02:54:34,180 --> 02:54:34,580
Thank you.

2022
02:54:35,060 --> 02:54:36,500
Thank you, Lotus Ramirez.

2023
02:54:42,750 --> 02:54:43,470
Good morning.

2024
02:54:44,750 --> 02:54:48,490
I hate to bring up the Live Local Act again, but I need to after this discussion.

2025
02:54:48,490 --> 02:54:52,210
And the one thing that I didn't hear because I know commissioned a new wonder mentioned

2026
02:54:52,210 --> 02:54:58,310
all residential districts and you've limited to the RE and I'm really concerned about the

2027
02:54:58,310 --> 02:54:59,950
other residential districts.

2028
02:55:00,250 --> 02:55:00,310
Okay.

2029
02:55:00,370 --> 02:55:01,450
We'll correct that.

2030
02:55:01,790 --> 02:55:04,830
We'll come back after we're done here and we'll revisit that.

2031
02:55:05,010 --> 02:55:05,130
Oh.

2032
02:55:05,330 --> 02:55:05,490
Okay.

2033
02:55:05,530 --> 02:55:05,710
Great.

2034
02:55:05,870 --> 02:55:10,990
Well, you just got the packet that I have put forth and you notice on the last one in the city

2035
02:55:10,990 --> 02:55:16,810
of Sarasota and they actually list which districts apply and I thought that's really easy

2036
02:55:16,810 --> 02:55:22,170
for anybody to go on the website, look at the live local and see which districts, because

2037
02:55:22,170 --> 02:55:28,710
PUDs obviously is a mixed use and that qualifies for live local. But the way the city of Sarasota

2038
02:55:28,710 --> 02:55:34,010
wrote it out, I thought it would make it very clear. So I was concerned about the rest especially

2039
02:55:34,010 --> 02:55:41,630
since you proved the recent ADUs and all residential districts at the for-profit venture and that

2040
02:55:41,630 --> 02:55:43,830
that might affect other districts, so thank you.

2041
02:55:44,450 --> 02:55:45,590
Okay, thank you.

2042
02:55:46,890 --> 02:55:51,290
Christopher and apologize for mispronouncing your last name,

2043
02:55:51,390 --> 02:55:52,550
I think, go ahead and give us your name.

2044
02:55:53,090 --> 02:55:54,470
Okay, all right.

2045
02:55:54,950 --> 02:55:57,630
This is a letter sent recently to you folks

2046
02:55:57,630 --> 02:56:01,950
on a commission by Jonathan Edwards, the Bell of Hew.

2047
02:56:02,290 --> 02:56:05,070
He's an owner and CEO of Glades and Bay Construction

2048
02:56:06,090 --> 02:56:06,530
incorporated.

2049
02:56:06,530 --> 02:56:29,450
So, basically, he opposes Manisorge Beach Road expansion, and he says, I am writing to you today not only as a resident of this community, but as a fifth generation Floridian in a local builder, investor and developer, having spent my life and career navigating the unique landscape of Florida's construction and real estate industry.

2050
02:56:29,450 --> 02:56:37,610
I am formally stating my strenuous opposition to the $15 million plus expansion and paving of Manasota Beach Road.

2051
02:56:37,870 --> 02:56:48,550
As someone who understands the mechanics of development, it is clear that the project offers no tangible benefit to the existing residents or the local economy.

2052
02:56:49,010 --> 02:56:57,250
Instead, it serves as a taxpayer-funded subsidy for the box developers and mass-scale residential projects like Wall and Park.

2053
02:56:57,250 --> 02:57:08,610
This expansion facilitates the rapid destruction of our remaining precious resources to line the pockets of outside interests while leaving locals to deal with the permanent fallout.

2054
02:57:09,010 --> 02:57:12,150
My opposition is noted in following critical concerns.

2055
02:57:12,610 --> 02:57:15,730
We have severe hydrological impact and runoff.

2056
02:57:16,870 --> 02:57:23,690
Converting a real road into a impervious thoroughfare will fundamentally alter the areas hydrology.

2057
02:57:23,690 --> 02:57:32,310
Natural groundwater allows for 80-90% water infiltration, however paving nearly 100% becomes runoff.

2058
02:57:33,570 --> 02:57:39,410
In a low-lying coastal zone, this final water has nowhere to go but an adjacent private properties.

2059
02:57:39,810 --> 02:57:46,070
Elvenian road by four feet will effectively create a levee, trapping storm surge and rain water

2060
02:57:46,070 --> 02:57:51,330
on residential land, leading to chaos, chronic flooding, and property devaluation.

2061
02:57:51,330 --> 02:57:54,970
Number two, taxic groundwater and chemical exposure.

2062
02:57:55,890 --> 02:58:00,750
When we're going to have 22,000 plus cars daily going on this road, you're going to have

2063
02:58:00,750 --> 02:58:08,430
leaching toxins from the pavement and from tires and vehicle residue, oils, other things.

2064
02:58:08,990 --> 02:58:10,230
And it's going to get into a groundwater.

2065
02:58:10,830 --> 02:58:13,250
Water is precious here in Florida, especially with the drought.

2066
02:58:16,110 --> 02:58:24,710
Exploitation of infrastructure and residential expense from a developer's perspective, I recognize this for what it is.

2067
02:58:25,190 --> 02:58:31,470
The offloading of infrastructure costs from large-scale developers and to the public.

2068
02:58:31,750 --> 02:58:39,750
We are sacrificed in the old Florida character, the very things that makes Anglewood desirable to accommodate high density box development.

2069
02:58:39,750 --> 02:58:44,910
that do not respect the ecological or biological limits of this land.

2070
02:58:45,270 --> 02:58:50,550
The displacement of protective species like the growth for tortoise is not just an inconvenience.

2071
02:58:51,330 --> 02:58:56,030
It is a violation of the environmental stewardess we owe to future generations.

2072
02:58:56,850 --> 02:58:57,870
Okay, thank you.

2073
02:58:58,890 --> 02:59:02,090
All right, we do have one of these business to do.

2074
02:59:02,210 --> 02:59:06,510
We've got a little bit of clarification on the motion, so I'm going to go ahead and

2075
02:59:06,510 --> 02:59:10,590
I have Josh read it as it should be presented and then it can be just corrected as presented.

2076
02:59:11,070 --> 02:59:15,350
Yeah, I think there's a discussion with all residential districts, not just RE.

2077
02:59:16,350 --> 02:59:18,510
So I think we get into two ways.

2078
02:59:18,510 --> 02:59:22,070
The work and just do a motion now just include residential not RE or

2079
02:59:22,070 --> 02:59:35,330
I might just be cleaner just to do a whole new motion, which would be the board's policy decision regarding the statutory interpretation is to have the county treat all residential rural and open use districts as not being qualifying districts under the local act.

2080
02:59:36,030 --> 02:59:40,430
So moved to the motion to clarify and who made the second commission?

2081
02:59:40,670 --> 02:59:41,050
No, I don't care.

2082
02:59:41,350 --> 02:59:44,290
Mr. Knight, go ahead and second to that.

2083
02:59:44,690 --> 02:59:47,490
So any further discussion?

2084
02:59:48,290 --> 02:59:50,090
Seeing none, call the question. All in favor.

2085
02:59:50,270 --> 02:59:52,930
Aye. Chair votes aye. That moves forward unanimously.

2086
02:59:53,470 --> 02:59:53,990
Okay. Is that?

2087
02:59:54,790 --> 02:59:54,990
Yep.

2088
02:59:55,630 --> 02:59:55,830
All right.

2089
02:59:56,310 --> 02:59:56,710
Okay.

2090
02:59:57,230 --> 02:59:59,530
With that, there being no further.

2091
03:00:01,220 --> 03:00:02,340
We are adjourned.

2092
03:00:02,340 --> 03:00:03,580
I'm trying to get the left side a little more.