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A public hearing tonight is to amend city code, chapter 2, 1, 2, article 3, the code, a city

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server took a spring, and titled, Senior Citizens Tax Example, I just want to say something about

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that, Commissioner.

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New York State passed some legislation for the New York State budget

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that allows us to increase our senior income tax exemption from 50% up to 65% and we haven't

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heard from anybody that has disagreed with that and the city would like to adopt that

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to help our seniors stay in their homes. It would take effect for the next tax year not this one.

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So that is what this public hearing is about with anyone like to speak concerning that, please step up to the microphone.

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We will be voting on this tonight.

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Seeing nobody, we will close the public hearing and we will be voting on this tonight.

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We'll start our meeting with a roll call.

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Mayor Saffron.

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Commissioner Karenan.

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Mayor.

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Commissioner Caremati.

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Commissioner Cole.

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Mr. Tracy.

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Supervisor Berger, isn't Supervisor Sondy?

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You have a quorum, sir.

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Thank you.

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Let's try to salute the flag.

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What do we do?

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To the flag of the United States of America.

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To the Republic for which it stands.

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One nation under the guidance, the individual,

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with liberty and justice are affordable.

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We have no presentations tonight.

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move for the counsel to approve the consent agenda. That's my motion. Is there a second?

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Second.

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I'll call the second. Any questions on it?

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All those in favor say aye? Aye.

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Any opposed? Aye.

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Nane? Of extensions that matter pass is five zero.

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We are now moving into our public comment period.

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We have some rules here that you can come up rows if you want.

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That's on the job is the public comment period, it is a period of an opportunity for members of the public to present their views to the city council.

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Each speaker will have three minutes and may not return to the microphone.

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The council typically does not respond to comments during the public comment period, but we're always happy to discuss matters with the public at other times.

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After public comment has concluded council members may address issues raised during the public comment period,

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request information from staff or direct that an issue be placed in a future agenda.

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We ask all participants the participants to respect the rules of the columns so that everyone has an equal opportunity to be heard.

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Speakers may not engage in conduct that disrupts the orderly conduct the meeting or prevents others from exercising their opportunity to speak.

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If necessary, we do cut off the microphone at three minutes.

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We welcome everyone here to speak.

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We're here to listen to what that speaker has to say for that three-minute period,

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we do ask, even if you're in the middle of a sentence, we have a little clock that will

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Once that clock, even if we're in the middle, we ask you to stop speaking at that point.

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Go ahead, go as you want.

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I'm sorry, I need it.

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Okay, go ahead.

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I'm not sorry, I need it.

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I want to read some of the excerpts from article in the series,

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I'll be in August 26, and it's found my brother.

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Title the passing of a friend.

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They John Frustir, a racing fan, and it was written by Warren Ives, director of public

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relations at the Saratoga Harness Trail.

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Members of the Saratoga Racing family lost a friend to the afternoon.

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His name was Beat John Frustir, also known by racegoers as Mr. Win.

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Big John had no enemies. He took all kinds of hitting for many people.

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He was known and almost every eatery in Saratoma's spring.

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If you needed a favor, John Praster would comply.

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And the pest number appears there with many great structures, characterized in many novels,

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for a steer of a long steer.

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The image of a race tracker is changed loads.

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John for a steer was one of those individuals who helped that change.

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Every day says his mother's passing,

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John would visit her parade, say a short prayer.

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On Tuesday afternoon he parked his car

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and left the motor running to pay respects once again.

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Big John passed the finish line saying that prayer.

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Of course, racing will miss the big bell.

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John and I were both in our early 30s when the saw occurred.

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August 26th is etched in my mind.

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I am heartbroken that I had so much respect for people

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on this room, on the Council, and the City Attorney, August 26 will be etched in my mind as a day where I was misty, that I was dupped.

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So I'm going to take a sing from the Bible. Jesus Christ, my Lord, said Peter, you

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doct me, and I let you doct me, get behind me Satan. And I have some copies of this

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anyone in the audience wants it. And then we're trying to say, Toby, thank you.

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Thank you. Thank you. Next speaker, please. You have up to three minutes.

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Good evening. I'm Rob Kaufland, Greenfield, Avenue, Sertoga Springs, New York.

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I'm here to discuss the renewal of the Flock contract. I have to admit that the Flock

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cameras are in effective law enforcement. They truly are. But I think that this body.

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It has to look at it from a much broader perspective than just that of the leaked law enforcement.

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You know, I read 1984, 15 years when that was in the future.

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They talk about big brother and the pillars of that regime were consistently used mass surveillance.

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And I looked up in Wikipedia. I think it's a reasonable resource.

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That defines a mass surveillance as intricate surveillance of an entire or substantial fraction of a population

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in order to monitor that group of citizens.

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And then they looked up police state.

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And the electronic police state is state in which government aggressively uses electronic

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technologies to record, collect, store, organize, and distribute information about its

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clients.

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And that is exactly what Flock does.

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It obtains this information and transmits it to data, data, national database.

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It is an effective tool for law enforcement, but it also is an effective tool for an authoritarian

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regime or a wannabe authoritarian regime.

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And that would be, you know, where a power is vested in just a few people, where it would

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are not accountable to the public, and there's not a loud, meaningful opposition.

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Now, and what fundamentally does is eliminates checks and balances.

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And if I remember my American constitutional history correctly, checks and balances is a founding

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principle of this country and the mass surveillance and a tool for mass surveillance is

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the opposite of the founding of that of a founding principle and is opposite to the very

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concept of who the people.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Next speaker please.

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You are up to three minutes, sir.

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Good evening. Thank you for having me here.

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Glad to see that number. My name is Robert Stromberg. I live in a round lake in Seratoria County.

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I have this a few things to say.

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Flock safety says on their website that they have a 96% OCR accuracy.

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OCR means optical character recognition,

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machine sees something written, and recognizes

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the letters and numbers.

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That's what the license plates have, something written.

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Now when I was in high school, a 96% grade, I'm a social study as a region's exam, it

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have been wonderful. But, this 96% accuracy rate leaves 4% error rate, letter by letter,

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character by character number by number.

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According to the South August brings transparency portal, 349,443 vehicles license plates were read in the last 30 days.

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Times 4%, that's 13,178 hours in the data coming in to our database.

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How does anybody sort out what's correct and what's not correct in those license plate

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reads?

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I think that's very tricky.

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My last point at transparency portal lists a whole lot of different agencies at government

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that can see our data, including an Alabama, but Blount County Commissioners.

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That's the government of Blount County, not just law enforcement.

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Including the city of Sierra Vista, Arizona.

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That's the city, the city government.

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I failed to see that there are adequate controls over who can read our data.

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And I drive to Santa Cruz Springs.

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You visit to shop, go to a venue for an event I like.

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I don't like the idea that my vehicle is being tracked.

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It could be a direct and error.

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Thank you.

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Next speaker.

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You have up to four minutes or three minutes.

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I'm sorry.

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Three minutes.

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Thanks.

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Thank you.

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I'm a resident.

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Sarah Toga Springs.

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I'm here also to talk about mass surveillance.

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I've observed the cameras in the city and was at the last meeting and listened to

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the responses from the commissioner.

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especially a commissioner call, and the, to me, the crux of this whole thing is the finding the balance between the considerations of privacy,

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the expectations of privacy of movement, the freedom of movement to attend legal gatherings, for example, to attend a protest to attend churches without being tracked,

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versus the clear value law enforcement that you gave a commissioner call gave an example of.

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Lastly, it's also balanced against the risk of abuses and the risks of abuse have been shown to be quite

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prevalent most directly last week and all of the county senior investigator being shown to

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illegally or inappropriately, I should say, used the flock database to track a person for

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personally use, I'll say.

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There's many other documented cases of that around the country.

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So, meet for one, I just want to express that to me, the values that are clearly there for law enforcement,

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don't come close to balancing the downside of it.

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of control of the data, the data is going to a private corporation that's selling that data

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to anyone that subscribes to their service.

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Don't know where the data is going, that data is not audited.

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They claim that the data that they collect from a sit from a municipality like Saratoga

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is the property of Saratoga Springs, but that has absolutely no value because they are

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given full use of the data to sell, resell and use it anyway they like.

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It doesn't matter who owns the data.

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It's what they do with the data.

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Another comment was made that they're only collecting pictures.

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They're just pictures of license plates.

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It's not the collection of the picture that's the problem.

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It's what they do with the license plate.

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And they build profiles of people's movement.

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They do these so-called heat maps.

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And it discourages people from engaging in lawful behavior

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that I mentioned, going to public spaces, protests and churches of your choice.

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So I want to express that my concern around the privacy issues.

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Far outweighed and valued to me as a citizen. I think many others then do the law enforcement values in this case. And I hope Seratoga cancels the contracts so we can properly vet that system and bring it back if it turns out to be so.

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Thank you. Next speaker, please.

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was on Sam Brewer. I have a previously spoken to you at the end of July regarding artificial intelligence.

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And I'm going to continue that theme this evening.

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One thing we all have in common is we all have elementary school.

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We probably did show and tell.

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So I'm going to pass this.

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I'm going to supervise your time.

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I'm going to pass it around and take us an AI accelerator that's about 10 years old.

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Now, new those go for about $20,000, and for every one of those that Nvidia sells, I should say for every million of those that Nvidia sells, it increases the amount of planetary electricity that we need by a substantial amount by every 2 million of those cards raises the planetary requirement by 1 gigawatt, which is actually you can actually see it on the scale, okay?

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This is from 2000 to 2025.

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And you can see the massive rise in electricity consumption

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that's being caused by the installation

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of those accelerators.

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Now, it's one thing to put those accelerators

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into a data center.

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And some data centers have as many as 100,000 of those

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operating at the same time and one location.

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But what are they doing?

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It is kind of the other question.

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And I had made a comment that we're getting to the point

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where they're so smart, we might not be able to turn them off.

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I said we were at the point of no return.

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And in the week that followed Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates,

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Darial Amadi, President Obama, all spoke about this.

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The three of them wrote essays that were exactly the same

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length as the essay that I gave you for review.

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Now, this is where we are right now for debt.

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So this is, I did use chatGPT to help me out here.

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I'm trying to figure out when other computers

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going to be as smart as people. Okay, so I had chat GPT graph out different mammals and basically

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the processing power of difference. Humans are right here. A data center, like a large

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$50 million, $100 million data center, had, basically, on a variety of people, 10 years

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ago. It's very likely that there's AI consciousness in data centers not today. In about

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five years in 2030, you're going to be able to buy that same capability for ten thousand

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dollars and put it on your desk.

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So that's where we are right now.

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And the reason I'm really, really concerned about this, because the AI models can make biological

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weapons.

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They can write viruses on a prompt.

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And right now, the AI companies will tell you that, you know, their scar

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rails that you can't do that, but you can download ones with the guard rails stripped off,

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you can train them yourself, and you can disconnect them from the internet, and they

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will write this stuff.

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And this thing that you can buy will print it, and it's not controlled.

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So I'm going to lead you these charts, I'll pick them up in a few weeks, and thank you for

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the grant.

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Thank you sir.

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There's a little for you to look at.

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Thank you.

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I'm next speaker, please.

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I'm Gordon Boyd, 99 State Street, Saratova Springs.

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I wish to thank Supervisor Berger and Sangvi for recently advancing a proposal at the County

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Board of Supervisors to have the last call in the bars at 3 AM rather than four.

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A adoption of this measure would improve public safety throughout the county, reduce the late

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night brawls, motor vehicle offenses, and will also help the city of Saratova Springs reduce

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over time and thereby save money.

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Now, this is something that the county has to do in order for the city to get the benefit.

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We can't close the bars early on our own.

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But thanks are also due to Commissioner of Public Safety Tim Call for his public support

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of Supervisor Berger's proposal.

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Unfortunately, improving public safety and safety money are not enough for all supervisors in Boston

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Spa.

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Because the Board's Public Safety Committee, unfortunately, voted down this proposal

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on September 1st. The committee chair Scott Ostrander failed to support it. He is the supervisor

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of the town of Milton, where so many of the Saratoma Springs bar customers reside and to

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where they drive home after hours of partying in our city. It makes you wonder if he is thinking

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about the well-being of his own constituents. And there's another person who shares the spotlight

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of blame with supervisor Ostrander. I refer to the chairman of the town of Milton Republican Party,

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an individual whose civic responsibility is to support and reelect Mr. Ostrander and to

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helpfully explain the supervisor's positions to the public.

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I refer to a Riley Flint, who, in addition to being the Milton Town Republican Chairman,

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is also the Deputy Commissioner of Finance in Saratova Springs.

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Mr. Flint lives in the town of Milton, not Saratova Springs.

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His day job in our city ostensibly includes advising Commissioner Kieranin about the cost

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of the police department over time that we pay for and how to fit these costs into the upcoming

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budget.

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I see Commissioner on Channel 6 that you are concerned about the expenses facing the city.

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Perhaps you should confer with Deputy Commissioner Flint and C.V. He can prevail on his

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very own supervisor to help the city hold down the cost of police over time. And while

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you are at it, Commissioner, you could also save some money by not removing the flock

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camera contract when it comes up in November. We and no many other people want to feel safe from

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constant surveillance and also keep our taxes down. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next speaker

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point.

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Good evening. This is me and the boss art with the Sarah Tugasprings preservation foundation.

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We received the revised UDO amendments yesterday, and we are currently reviewing them.

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We are disappointed that the changes to – there were not significant changes in architectural

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review districts.

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It largely is a demolition delay ordinance that will place the final determination of every

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building that's proposed to be demolished within the hands of the city council.

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If the city council chooses to move forward with that aspect of the ordinance, I would strongly

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encourage the city council to wait and do until there's a comprehensive building survey to

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understand which buildings are contributing architecturally to our gateways or should be designated

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as part of our historic districts.

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These buildings should not be designated

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purely in a reactive way,

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only when a demolition approval is being put forth.

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We believe...

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It should be done, not in a reactive way, I just said that backwards. Great. All right.

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The designation of building should be done in a proactive way, not in a reactionary way to a one-off demolition application.

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And so with that, that's all I will say at this time, we will continue to review it and provide our comments. Thank you so much for the opportunity.

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Thank you. Next speaker, please.

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Both the capabilities and the threat of AI as a whole have been somewhat overstated.

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It basically tells people what they want to hear to some degree in analyzes, but without

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human oversight, it's overreliance is basically a liability.

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As to the threat, that's as a weak point in that is already been pointed out.

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The classical amount of power it requires is its vulnerability.

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If for some reason it did start to get completely out of hand,

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anything that would shut down the power supply would shut down the AI itself.

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Old school physics provides plenty of answers there.

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As to license plate raiders, well, key question is how they're being used.

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On the front of a police cruise or whistling off, there's air to double-check the data, they can be a life-staving advantage

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informing them if there is a reason to believe the individual inside the crayavyacle out of them as a threat, if the vehicle's been stolen, etc.

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On the side of the school bus, they provide an obvious deterrent to people just ignoring that stop sign and a way to hold them accountable if they do.

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But if they are used to monitor a large area all at once, that's a whole

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other can of worms.

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And one that needs to be considered very, very carefully.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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But anyone else, like to speak tonight,

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so we'll close public comment with any of the

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commissioners, like to respond to, I think tonight.

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I will respond.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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I do want to respond to the flock, the company flock and the license plate readers, and I first

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wanted to just address Mr. Cofflin.

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Approximately 10 days ago we had a very large evacuation in our city, and we had to evacuate

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110 units from the Raymond Walkins apartment complex, and I was a very, very difficult

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operation, and our fire department did a tremendous job, and I just want to recognize Mr.

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confident he is volunteer of the Red Cross and he's stepped up and to help and we certainly

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do appreciate it.

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Thank you for that.

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On the license plate readers are going to go through it and explain my position on it from

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the beginning.

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So the first question that comes to mind for me is it a legal technique or is it a lawful

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and I went back and I looked at the case law, a lot of it's in the courts now, but what's

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still out to me is a case in Norfolk, Virginia, actually the eastern district of Virginia

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in January of 2026, folks were suing the Norfolk Police Department.

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In our opinion, in order set forth by Judge Davis, from the eastern district of Virginia,

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And I wanted to just read a couple of citations,

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so people understand.

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And this is a quote.

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Flot cameras do not provide information

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to users about the location of individuals

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beyond public roadways or outside of vehicles, end quote.

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Meaning that unlike a cell phone or ankle monitor,

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they do not quote follow individuals inside building

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homes or anywhere else.

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They photograph vehicles on the public roadways

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with a stationary cameras are located.

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And there's a second citation that I want to add, and this is on page 3 of the decision,

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Federal and State Courts analyzing license plate reader claims have almost uniformly concluded

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that neither taking photos of the license plate of a vehicle on a public roadway, nor maintaining

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requiring a database of licemplate reader photos,

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constitutes a warm-lit, warm-lit, warm-lit search,

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and it gives the citations of collecting cases.

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In parentheses, collecting cases, demonstrating that nearly

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every court that has addressed the issue has held

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that the queries of licemplate reader databases

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do not constitute Fourth Amendment searches.

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Now, obviously, as we move forward and technology advances,

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technology becomes more intrusive. The courts could look at the collection and

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houses of this information and come to a different determination and that could

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happen someday, but today is not that day. So that's my position when we look for

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balance whether it's currently lawful and it is currently lawful. The second

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issue that we have, we have controls in place, as I mentioned earlier, last city

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council meeting. Actually, I misspoke. In set of seven policies, we have eight

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of license plate reader information.

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They are limited to supervisors and investigators only.

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We have a user ID and a password for each supervisor

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or investigator that makes a query.

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We conduct audits of the information routinely

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at least once a month.

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And then the third thing is, are they useful?

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And I'm glad we agree that they are extremely useful.

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I gave the example of the less meaning of how we removed the suspected person wanted for a

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homicide in Connecticut off our streets.

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We used it in the low-love burglary investigation to track the movements of vehicles, and

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we even used it in a stocking case in the Skidmore, the Ron Skidmore College.

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So those are the three factors that form my decision, but I also want the public to know

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Our contract is not expiring this fall.

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It is expiring in August of 2027.

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And I just want to explain that to you,

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because we were late getting the license plate

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with the operation, so that pushed the contract backwards.

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Thank you.

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I mean, obviously we are concerned about the controls,

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but we have to have confidence

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that our police department is functioning properly

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and following those, and I'm sure you're being sure of that.

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I do have a comment on AI.

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It was a conversation I had with our attorney today, and that is,

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we haven't talked about

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foils in a while, but I learned today that there are now AI agents that are foiling probably

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all over the country for information on PEOs and invoices and this sort of...

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The question comes in and it makes our people respond to give them all this information that I know that they're putting into a national database from marketing purposes.

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Felt can be abused, and we've finally gotten, we don't hear about our foil problems right now

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because we pretty much got an under control, but now we're having AI agents, and so we're

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talking right now about, you know, this is just wrong. But yet, if we get a foil, we

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have no choice but to answer it. And so it's an AI is creating a whole different level

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problems for us. So I just want to make you aware of that as we look into this more.

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We have looking for all outstanding bills and any department anything and it's meant for them

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to sell the information to the collectors. Yeah they're using a foil to collect data that they're

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going to use for their own marketing purposes. It's a very scary thing and the only way you can do this

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with an agent. You don't have 300 people calling every community asking for the, you know, presenting

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these foils, but you can ask an AI agent to do that quite easily. Interesting, aren't it?

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It's legal. Okay. But they list.

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So our public comment. Now, we do have an executive session tonight and I'm going to, we

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shouldn't be very long if you want to hang out. It shouldn't take us too long. I moved

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at the Council on the Goons and Executive Session regarding the matter of going as Hill,

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Inc. at all the verses, sir took spring planning board to talk about a proposed settlement.

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Is there a second?

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Second.

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Colors a second.

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All those in favor say aye.

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I will be in this room for just a few minutes.

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We're back in.

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We're back in.

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We're back in.

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We're back in.

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We're back in.

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We're back in.

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We're back in.

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Okay.

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Thank you for your patience, everybody.

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We will be adding in the agenda item to my agenda to settle this issue between

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Boynes Hill and Sir Tuckers, Frank Kleinburg.

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Did you want to?

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Yes, sir.

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This is a matter of the spend.

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I'm going into the course for a number of years.

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I've involved a party that, because of the planning, but they suit an planning board

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application over several years, our outside council,

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and Minulmanics, has appeared for us on behalf of the Planning Board,

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and on behalf of the other city employees and personnel

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who were named in the caption as Defendants.

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It was after a mediation session,

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but a month or so ago, the resolution was proposed,

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another planning board meeting was held to review the application again,

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a planning board issued a decision that the plaintiff in the case,

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approved of, they were fine with it. And as a result, the signing of this settlement will settle

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all the cases against the city and any pending cases against city personnel by this individual

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will be dismissed. Okay, so I'll make that motion on my agenda when we get to it.

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So we move on to county supervisors who provides a burger.

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Well, yes, good evening. Thank you, Mayor. The first item on my agenda, I wanted to give a brief update

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on the county's horse racing, fire safety and prevention committee.

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We met again last night and at last night's meeting we approved our first set of recommendations

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for barn structures at New York State racetracks. This is a huge milestone in our meetings

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because we're actually making some significant progress in this topic. I think probably the most

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media of our focus areas as it involves state code.

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Just give you a couple examples of recommendations that the committee made.

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One, the committee recommended that fire resistant,

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resistive treatments be used on all barn structures in the

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York State, the race tracks.

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Two, there's a requirement for fire suppression.

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Either automatic sprinklers or an alternative fire protection

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systems such as water mist or non-toxic sprays, we're recommended as well. I intend to

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be sending a letter to the New York State Gaming Commission later this week, including

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the full set of recommendations that were voted on last night, and then we will continue to

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move through the other focus areas in the coming weeks. Item number two on my agenda is that

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today at the county board meeting, the county board voted to set a public hearing on a proposal

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to ban cradum and serve the sale of all products containing cradum and cradum itself in

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Saratoga County. The public hearing will be held after the large finance meeting on October

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14th at 430 p.m. at the Saratoga County Board of Supervisors, 40 McMaster Street,

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Pulse and Spa. It's interesting because in the last couple of weeks since the last city council

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meeting when we discussed this, we've received an incredible number of emails from the public

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from people all over the country, all over the state on both sides of this issue that

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agree that the product, that the product should be banned, some people feel that the only

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this synthetic product should be banned and not the natural leaf cradum.

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It seems to be a rather complex issue and I just want to raise this up to the public

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and to the city council so that people are aware that there is a public hearing set in October and if people have further comments to send them along to the CERTA County Board of Supervisors in the meantime.

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Number three on my agenda, I wanted to just just just quick announcement that CERTA County is hosting a 2027 kickoff for the 250th anniversary of the battles of CERTAuga.

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This will be held Friday, October 9th at 10 a.m. at the Board of Supervisors meeting

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room in Balson Spa, and you can RSVP for that event to the county historian.

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Thank you very much.

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That completes my agenda.

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I have some prizes on me.

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Yeah, I think Supervisor Burger, colored most of what happened today, we did pass the local

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law number 5, print number 1 of 20, 26 in title, local law authorizing full property tax exemption

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for certain 100% permanent and total service disabled veterans. So that did pass unanimously.

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00:36:47,260 --> 00:36:53,180
And I know that the city is also considering something I had a conversation with Commissioner

462
00:36:53,180 --> 00:37:00,760
choice you about it, and again, available for any questions or discussions.

463
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:02,100
Thank you.

464
00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:03,120
Thank you.

465
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:11,380
And to my agenda, so I moved to Ed and agenda item, that's my motion, is there a second?

466
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:13,060
Second.

467
00:37:13,060 --> 00:37:16,000
All those in favor say aye.

468
00:37:17,500 --> 00:37:23,320
Now I make a motion to accept.

469
00:37:24,220 --> 00:37:26,380
How do I put it so accept the?

470
00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:29,900
It would be to accept the proposed settlement.

471
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,980
Regiment in the matter of.

472
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:36,500
Wina's Hill's innρίance of public police service, planning board at L. s. presented.

473
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,100
That is our... did you get that?

474
00:37:40,100 --> 00:37:41,720
got that? Is there a second?

475
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:43,020
Second?

476
00:37:43,380 --> 00:37:43,660
Second?

477
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,060
Turn in any discussion on this? Will you say it.

478
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:49,560
So, all those in favor say aye.

479
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:50,200
Aye?

480
00:37:50,340 --> 00:37:50,400
Aye.

481
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:51,700
And you're posed saying aye.

482
00:37:52,300 --> 00:37:55,820
Nope, extensions that matter past is 5.0. Thank you.

483
00:37:55,820 --> 00:38:09,920
Next is a update from the chair of our commission, our charter commission, Vince DeLean

484
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:10,580
Addis.

485
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:12,240
Go ahead.

486
00:38:14,670 --> 00:38:14,930
Thank you.

487
00:38:15,330 --> 00:38:16,370
Good evening, Mayor.

488
00:38:16,630 --> 00:38:18,170
Commissioners, supervisors.

489
00:38:19,410 --> 00:38:23,310
Vince DeLean, orders on the chair of the charter review commission, and I would just

490
00:38:23,310 --> 00:38:28,650
to take a few minutes this evening to provide an update and to address the determination that was

491
00:38:28,650 --> 00:38:34,310
made last week by the County Board of Elections. As you know, the County Board of Elections

492
00:38:34,310 --> 00:38:39,530
is comprised of two election commissioners, commissioners, Sarata, and Commissioner Begramian

493
00:38:39,530 --> 00:38:45,590
and last week they indicated that they were split or divided in their decision to place our proposed

494
00:38:45,590 --> 00:38:51,330
amendments to the city charter on the ballot for this year's election in November. As there are

495
00:38:51,330 --> 00:38:57,190
only two commissioners, it is necessarily requires both to agree in order before a matter

496
00:38:57,190 --> 00:39:00,370
to be placed on the ballot and they both could not agree.

497
00:39:01,110 --> 00:39:05,730
As I understand it, Commissioner Sarada was in favor of placing our proposals on the ballot,

498
00:39:06,170 --> 00:39:08,150
but Commissioner Benjamin was not.

499
00:39:09,190 --> 00:39:13,890
The issue ultimately boils down to a conflict that exists between two separate provisions

500
00:39:13,890 --> 00:39:19,230
of state law relating to the timing and the submission of ballot questions, and specifically

501
00:39:19,230 --> 00:39:25,830
the conflict between the municipal homeral law and the election law. Last year, when Mayor

502
00:39:25,830 --> 00:39:30,590
Stafford established the Charter Review Commission, he did so, and accordance with the

503
00:39:30,590 --> 00:39:37,370
provisions of Section 36 of the Municipal Homeral Law. Section 36, governs not just the

504
00:39:37,370 --> 00:39:43,710
creation of a Charter Review Commission, but also the organization and operation of a commission,

505
00:39:43,710 --> 00:39:54,250
and the specific timelines under which they are legally required to finalize and file their work with the office of the city clerk.

506
00:39:55,110 --> 00:40:03,990
Section 365B mandates that a charter review commission provide for submission of its proposed charter or amendments,

507
00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:12,010
quote to the electors of the city at a general or special election held not earlier than 60

508
00:40:12,010 --> 00:40:17,870
days after the filing thereof in the office of the city clerk. The section further provides

509
00:40:17,870 --> 00:40:26,090
that quote, if such general election occurs within 90 days after said filing, the proposed charter

510
00:40:26,090 --> 00:40:32,790
or amendment shall be submitted at such general election. The municipal homeeral law creates a specific

511
00:40:32,790 --> 00:40:39,110
60 to 90 day window before the general election for the commission to file its work.

512
00:40:39,710 --> 00:40:46,230
And if it is filed during this 60 to 90 day period, the proposal must be placed on the ballot.

513
00:40:47,490 --> 00:40:52,530
The election law, on the other hand, establishes general transmittal requirements by which the

514
00:40:52,530 --> 00:40:58,270
city clerk must transmit certified copies of the proposed ballot question to the county board

515
00:40:58,270 --> 00:41:06,370
elections. Section 4-108 of the election law had historically required the clerk to forward

516
00:41:06,370 --> 00:41:13,490
ballot proposals at least 36 days before the general election, and this operated in harmony

517
00:41:13,490 --> 00:41:18,970
with the municipal homeral law. Using the date of this year's general election of November

518
00:41:18,970 --> 00:41:24,750
third, as an example, under the municipal homeral law, the commission would be required to

519
00:41:24,750 --> 00:41:33,470
is work with the city clerk between the dates of August 5th and September 4th in order to be within the 60-90 day window.

520
00:41:34,170 --> 00:41:43,270
The city clerk would then have until September 28th to transmit certified copies to the Board of Elections to be consistent with the 36-day requirement.

521
00:41:44,010 --> 00:41:47,990
These timeframes worked and were consistent with each other.

522
00:41:48,710 --> 00:42:09,290
However, several years ago, the legislature amended section 4-108 of the election law to align with the Federal Move Act, relating to our overseas military members, and they extended that 36-day requirement for the City Clerk to transmit certified copies to, quote, at least three months prior to the general election.

523
00:42:09,290 --> 00:42:24,390
In making this change, though the legislature did not make a corresponding change or adjustment to the 60 to 90 day requirement of the municipal home rolloff, creating a clear conflict and inconsistency between the two laws.

524
00:42:25,410 --> 00:42:38,390
So if we again use the date of this year's general election of November 3rd, the city clerk is now required to submit certified copies of ballot proposations to the Board of Elections by August 3rd

525
00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:42,110
to comply with the three-month requirement of the election law.

526
00:42:42,770 --> 00:42:44,190
But under the municipal home rule,

527
00:42:44,190 --> 00:42:48,010
the commission is required to file as proposal with the city clerk

528
00:42:48,010 --> 00:42:50,390
no earlier than August 5th,

529
00:42:51,330 --> 00:42:56,370
and no later than September 4th in order to comply with the 16 and 90 day filing requirement.

530
00:42:57,310 --> 00:42:59,970
In other words, and as our city attorney noted,

531
00:43:00,210 --> 00:43:02,750
previously in his correspondence to the Board of Elections,

532
00:43:03,570 --> 00:43:06,390
the election law now requires the city clerk

533
00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:15,550
to transmit to the Board of Elections something which the Municipal Homeral Law does not yet even require the city clerk to have.

534
00:43:16,290 --> 00:43:24,350
In amending the election law and not providing for a corresponding amendment to the Municipal Homeral Law, the legislature created a conflict,

535
00:43:24,930 --> 00:43:30,610
rendering it structurally and legally impossible to comply with the timing requirements of each law.

536
00:43:30,610 --> 00:43:39,930
conflicts or inconsistencies between provisions of state law are, unfortunately, not as uncommon as one would expect.

537
00:43:40,850 --> 00:43:47,290
Fortunately, the legislature, at least thought well enough to contemplate that there could be such a possibility,

538
00:43:48,050 --> 00:43:59,290
and it expressly included provisions in both the municipal homer law and the election law, to address which law prevails in the event of such an inconsistency.

539
00:43:59,290 --> 00:44:19,650
In fact, municipal homeroleau at Section 366G provides quote, the provisions of the election law or any other law relating to the submission of questions at general elections so far as the same are applicable and not inconsistent herewith shall apply to a question submitted.

540
00:44:19,650 --> 00:44:27,830
Election law, section 1-102, likewise provides, quote, where a specific provision of law

541
00:44:27,830 --> 00:44:33,590
exists in any other law, which is inconsistent with the provisions of this chapter,

542
00:44:34,330 --> 00:44:35,770
such provision shall apply.

543
00:44:37,050 --> 00:44:42,830
Here, the legislature clearly and expressly designed the municipal home

544
00:44:42,830 --> 00:44:48,550
law to supersede the election law. And it clearly and expressly designed the election

545
00:44:48,550 --> 00:44:54,090
law to be superseded by the municipal homer law in the event there is an inconsistency

546
00:44:54,090 --> 00:44:59,370
between the two provisions and there is clearly an inconsistency between the two provisions.

547
00:45:00,240 --> 00:45:08,740
The clearest indication of legislative intent is always the statutory language itself, when you give effect to its plain meaning.

548
00:45:09,580 --> 00:45:19,580
Here, the provisions of both laws expressly state that the election law must yield to the conflicting timing and procedural requirements of the municipal homer law.

549
00:45:19,580 --> 00:45:25,700
And there is no question that the submission by the Charter Review Commission was in full

550
00:45:25,700 --> 00:45:30,940
conformance with the timing and procedural requirements of the Municipal Romeral Law.

551
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:36,660
That Commissioner Bragrimian relied on the inapplicable and superseded provisions of the

552
00:45:36,660 --> 00:45:42,180
election law to block our legally valid proposal from being placed in the ballot is unfortunate.

553
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:48,680
She could have, and I would argue, should have consulted with her own county attorney and such

554
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:55,560
issue. Instead it appears that she relied on the opinion of a local, political, party chair.

555
00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:00,200
The only recourse against the Board of Elections would be the commencement of an action

556
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:05,460
in Sirator County Supreme Court requesting an order compelling the Board to perform their

557
00:46:05,460 --> 00:46:10,900
ministerial duty in place the proposal on the ballot. While we believe that such an action

558
00:46:10,900 --> 00:46:16,040
would have merit and would be warranted, we do not feel it is appropriate to ask the city

559
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:21,420
or the taxpayers to incur the necessary costs associated with such an action.

560
00:46:22,300 --> 00:46:27,240
The Charter Review Commission's proposal could also be moved to a special election.

561
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:32,040
But again, we do not believe this is the best court to take given the costs

562
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:36,140
and the low voter turnout that typically comes with a special election.

563
00:46:36,940 --> 00:46:41,580
Instead, we believe it would be most appropriate to work toward placing this matter

564
00:46:41,580 --> 00:46:46,280
on the ballot for next year's general election, and we would ask the mayor to consider

565
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:52,240
establishing a commission under section 36 of the municipal home roll-off utilizing the members

566
00:46:52,240 --> 00:46:58,980
of the current commission to allow it to continue its work. The charter commission has already

567
00:46:58,980 --> 00:47:03,740
provided for the most significant updates and improvements to our charter that has occurred since

568
00:47:03,740 --> 00:47:10,400
it was originally adopted some 25 years ago. Between local law number 4 and local law number 5

569
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:17,380
of 2026 more than 40 amendments that were proposed as part of our phase one work have already

570
00:47:17,380 --> 00:47:22,920
been implemented. The amendments proposed as part of our phase two work and which are intended

571
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:28,300
to be placed on the ballot for voter consideration are meant to further strengthen and improve

572
00:47:28,300 --> 00:47:35,080
our existing charter provide for organizational upgrades increase transparency and accountability

573
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,640
and be completely a budget neutral.

574
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:44,000
Moving the ballot question from this year's general election to next year's would simply allow

575
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:50,080
for greater opportunity for the commission to inform and educate the public on those proposed amendments.

576
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:56,380
And while it is unfortunate that the divided board of elections prevented the public from having the ability

577
00:47:56,380 --> 00:48:02,560
to decide this important ballot issue this year, we should make sure they do not do so next year.

578
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:08,060
And in that regard, we would also ask that the City Attorney, who was also legal counsel

579
00:48:08,060 --> 00:48:12,560
for the Charter Review Commission, seek an opinion and clarification from the Attorney

580
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:17,600
General's Office on how to address the conflict that clearly exists between the election

581
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:23,660
law and the municipal home or law to ensure that this issue does not repeat itself next

582
00:48:23,660 --> 00:48:24,340
year.

583
00:48:25,340 --> 00:48:25,560
Thank you.

584
00:48:25,660 --> 00:48:26,740
I don't know if there any questions.

585
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:27,140
Thank you.

586
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,920
I don't think I can do it until I have to do the election.

587
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,680
I'm definitely taking that under consideration.

588
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:36,720
Yeah, it's a thing that happened.

589
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:39,480
Yeah, I'm going to say it is quite unfortunate.

590
00:48:39,740 --> 00:48:41,920
I know you guys did a lot of hard work on this.

591
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,720
And I appreciate and respect your recommendations,

592
00:48:46,420 --> 00:48:49,860
and especially if the city attorney could reach out to the attorney general

593
00:48:49,860 --> 00:48:54,400
just to get clarification on the conflict between the two laws

594
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,940
is I think what I'm very important to do.

595
00:48:57,580 --> 00:48:59,780
So, thanks for that explanation.

596
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:01,940
We need to get that on the record.

597
00:49:02,220 --> 00:49:06,560
Can you send that to us so I could just have it with my charter?

598
00:49:07,660 --> 00:49:10,440
What you just read, so I can just keep it with it with all my documents.

599
00:49:11,100 --> 00:49:11,420
Thank you.

600
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:17,200
I will say as the city clerk, I was really disappointed in the fact that

601
00:49:18,180 --> 00:49:24,760
literally the exact rule that they used to fight the supervisor issue,

602
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:32,020
which I agreed to say let's compromise on they use the exact opposite argument using that

603
00:49:32,020 --> 00:49:37,900
same municipal home rule law to then fight this. And I find that rather ironic that they

604
00:49:37,900 --> 00:49:44,780
decided to use the same municipal home rule and in one case said oh no the city municipal

605
00:49:44,780 --> 00:49:49,840
home rule charter trumps the county and then fast forward three months and we're using the same

606
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:57,160
argument, just the other side of it, to argue why we can't, why ours doesn't stand up against it.

607
00:49:57,180 --> 00:49:58,320
I was really disappointed.

608
00:49:59,140 --> 00:50:00,040
Well, it's not a new record.

609
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,360
And the claim that it was not transparent because everything was open.

610
00:50:04,580 --> 00:50:10,260
And if I may, I would also like to add that several years ago, I served as a member of a Charter

611
00:50:10,260 --> 00:50:11,040
Review Commission.

612
00:50:11,620 --> 00:50:13,200
I know how much work it is.

613
00:50:13,580 --> 00:50:19,620
I know how much effort you guys have taken in doing this work, and it must be very disappointing

614
00:50:19,620 --> 00:50:25,980
that this outcome has taken place, I just wanted to thank you for all the work that you did.

615
00:50:26,300 --> 00:50:26,760
Thank you, Commissioner.

616
00:50:26,940 --> 00:50:27,620
Very much.

617
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:27,980
Thank you.

618
00:50:28,220 --> 00:50:30,620
Mr. Mayor, can I see something to...

619
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:36,020
I served with B.K. on the charter review commission, so I do know how much work it is.

620
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,840
And really appreciate all the effort that you all have put in,

621
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,560
especially with Facebook and Facebook and all of that.

622
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,480
And just the point of clarification,

623
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:53,200
And if you had submitted the stuff before August, what is a third, then there wouldn't

624
00:50:53,200 --> 00:51:00,080
have been an issue of the election commissioners, Serrada, and back Romanian, back, the

625
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:00,460
great.

626
00:51:00,580 --> 00:51:04,880
The Grameian, even having to have any input, right?

627
00:51:05,540 --> 00:51:09,720
That would have then been compliant with the election all, but it would have been outside

628
00:51:09,720 --> 00:51:12,620
of the dates that were set forth in the municipal homeral law.

629
00:51:12,620 --> 00:51:15,620
We had to bring one tour placement on the ballot.

630
00:51:15,860 --> 00:51:20,840
The municipal home will always pretty clear that it has to be filed within that 60 to 90 day window.

631
00:51:21,660 --> 00:51:25,640
The 90 day period brings it to us far out as August 5th.

632
00:51:25,820 --> 00:51:31,100
The three month window, because for some reason they decided to use a month calendar instead

633
00:51:31,100 --> 00:51:33,960
of a day calendar, but three months does not equal 90 days.

634
00:51:34,340 --> 00:51:36,060
You have multiple month 30, one days.

635
00:51:36,740 --> 00:51:39,700
So that brings it to August 3rd under the election law.

636
00:51:39,700 --> 00:51:43,100
We couldn't have filed until August 5th under the municipal home roll-off.

637
00:51:43,140 --> 00:51:44,700
And when was it actually filed?

638
00:51:45,620 --> 00:51:50,180
August 28th, but keep in mind under the municipal home roll-off, we had until September 4th.

639
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:55,300
Right, so if you had filed it, August 3rd and 5th, it may have passed without them.

640
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:57,360
It does not necessarily mean it would have been correct.

641
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:03,260
I know other municipalities have done this and got it on the ballot, but there is a clear conflict between the two laws.

642
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:08,040
And when there is that conflict between the election law and the municipal home roll-off,

643
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:13,200
you have to look at the legislators intent on which of those two laws prevail and the language

644
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:19,460
in both of those laws are clear and on ambiguous that the election law yields to the municipal

645
00:52:19,460 --> 00:52:19,800
rule.

646
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:29,240
This is again very sad, very sad, and political, thank you, yes, thank you very much, let me give you

647
00:52:29,240 --> 00:52:29,980
I'm a...

648
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:31,580
Next agenda item.

649
00:52:34,100 --> 00:52:47,540
I move for the council to approve the re-departments request to pay an invoice for $49.31 national landscaping, and long that is my motion, is there a second?

650
00:52:54,260 --> 00:52:58,760
Okay, so I've made my motion in a curmati second.

651
00:52:58,760 --> 00:52:59,720
Thank you.

652
00:53:00,380 --> 00:53:05,900
This is a hydro-seed project that Wybel Avenue is coming to the Council for approval because

653
00:53:05,900 --> 00:53:08,600
when the service was rendered, and invoice was not provided.

654
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:10,300
Any other discussion?

655
00:53:11,460 --> 00:53:12,720
All those in favour say aye?

656
00:53:13,340 --> 00:53:13,900
Any opposed?

657
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:14,240
Aye.

658
00:53:14,540 --> 00:53:15,600
No abstentions?

659
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:18,260
It may have passed its 50.

660
00:53:18,740 --> 00:53:24,560
On to I move that the Council of Proof of Payment of an invoice from Fitzgerald Morris Baker

661
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:29,920
in the amount of $540, that's my motion, is there a second? Second.

662
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:34,240
Sure, I'm out of seconds. This invoice requires counsel approval

663
00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:39,740
due to the work being performed prior to the purchase order being issued any other discussion.

664
00:53:41,140 --> 00:53:46,160
All those in favor say aye, aye, any opposed say nay, abstentions, aye.

665
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:54,480
Next, I move for the council to approve pavement on invoice from

666
00:53:54,480 --> 00:54:01,940
him and stop in the amount of $3,029.60, that's my motion, is there a second?

667
00:54:02,300 --> 00:54:02,800
Second.

668
00:54:03,300 --> 00:54:05,260
I have a second from Kiran.

669
00:54:07,660 --> 00:54:12,440
This invoice again requires council approval due to the work being performed prior to

670
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,420
purchase order being issued, any other discussion?

671
00:54:16,820 --> 00:54:19,620
All those in favor say aye, aye, any opposed say,

672
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,500
nay, no abstentions, five zero.

673
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:26,040
Okay, so next is I move for the council

674
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:29,480
to accept the conveniences for the Liberty Housing Project

675
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,300
as required by the Liberty Site Plan

676
00:54:32,300 --> 00:54:33,860
and attached to the agenda.

677
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,080
That is my motion, is there a second?

678
00:54:37,380 --> 00:54:37,440
Second.

679
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,180
Second is Kiranan.

680
00:54:39,180 --> 00:54:45,700
The site plan approval for the Liberty Housing Project requires the following.

681
00:54:45,700 --> 00:54:50,040
A conservation easement over 16 plus acres for the

682
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:54,060
lot of liberty will retain for passive recreation purposes

683
00:54:54,620 --> 00:55:01,660
and to indeed in the city for three plus acres that the city can use for future recreation

684
00:55:01,660 --> 00:55:04,880
and the other discussion on this.

685
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:09,240
those in favor say aye aye and you post aye aye nor extensions

686
00:55:09,240 --> 00:55:16,940
out of passes five zero. Next I these next are hospital issues.

687
00:55:17,140 --> 00:55:21,980
There's two of them. I move for the council to review a proposed amendment to the

688
00:55:21,980 --> 00:55:28,020
Saratoga Hospital PUD at 211 Church Street and to request advisory opinions

689
00:55:28,020 --> 00:55:34,080
from the Saratoga County Planning Board, the City Planning Board and the DRB is

690
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:35,200
second.

691
00:55:36,540 --> 00:55:37,820
I have a second from Cole.

692
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:40,940
This is a Miracle Review.

693
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:47,760
The hospital proposes to add the two adjacent parcels purchased from the Spine Center

694
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:49,640
in the corner there to the PUD.

695
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:56,440
The are currently zone office medical business district that's 31 at 35 Murdoch Street.

696
00:55:56,940 --> 00:56:03,320
The hospital seeks modifications to build a parking structure in zone E6 where parking already

697
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:10,020
exists, and it proposes language throughout the PUD to simplify and clarify various provisions.

698
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:12,140
That's my discussion.

699
00:56:12,180 --> 00:56:14,640
Is there any other discussion on this?

700
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,060
Well, those in favor say aye.

701
00:56:17,060 --> 00:56:17,580
Aye.

702
00:56:17,580 --> 00:56:18,220
Any opposed?

703
00:56:18,460 --> 00:56:18,620
Aye.

704
00:56:18,900 --> 00:56:19,800
No abstentions.

705
00:56:19,980 --> 00:56:20,800
That matter passes.

706
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:22,260
Five, zero.

707
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:22,920
Next.

708
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:31,700
I move to initiate a coordinated secret review for a proposed amendment to the Siratoga Hospital

709
00:56:31,700 --> 00:56:38,280
PUD and seek lead agency status for the environmental review of the proposed action.

710
00:56:39,620 --> 00:56:40,360
That's my motion.

711
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:41,500
Do I have a second?

712
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:43,940
Second.

713
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:44,700
Second was coal.

714
00:56:45,260 --> 00:56:45,900
We good on it?

715
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:50,060
This is a type one action.

716
00:56:50,660 --> 00:56:56,020
The involved agencies will include the planning board and the DRB.

717
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:57,140
That's my discussion.

718
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,120
Is there any other discussion in this?

719
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:06,260
All those in favour say aye, aye, any opposed say nay, no abstentions, that matter passes 5-0.

720
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:13,320
The last item is to set a public hearing, and I have some words to add to this.

721
00:57:13,620 --> 00:57:25,680
For local law number 6 of 2026, which amends the unified development ordinance articles 3-4-13-19-21 relative to land use board procedures.

722
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:34,980
We will have that, that's something that we haven't, our next meeting starts at 6, right?

723
00:57:34,980 --> 00:57:36,020
For that compaget?

724
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:44,880
But so we'll start this public hearing when you're done.

725
00:57:45,020 --> 00:57:45,960
I don't know how that works.

726
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:47,480
Is it the answer?

727
00:57:50,390 --> 00:57:55,330
Okay, so next meeting starts at 6, because when I have a budget review,

728
00:57:55,330 --> 00:57:57,710
Um, I'm presenting the conflict.

729
00:57:57,910 --> 00:57:58,550
Is that anything?

730
00:57:59,710 --> 00:58:00,170
Okay.

731
00:58:00,690 --> 00:58:01,950
So, what'd you say?

732
00:58:03,230 --> 00:58:05,290
So, we will hit.

733
00:58:07,980 --> 00:58:09,780
So, Tony, should we just started at seven,

734
00:58:09,900 --> 00:58:13,140
so everybody knows we're starting at seven.

735
00:58:13,140 --> 00:58:13,300
Yeah.

736
00:58:13,460 --> 00:58:14,060
Let's do that.

737
00:58:14,340 --> 00:58:17,280
All of our legalists read at this time

738
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:18,900
or assume they're after us,

739
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:19,960
the matter can be reached.

740
00:58:20,620 --> 00:58:21,780
Well, I think in this case,

741
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:23,880
it's important that a lot of people might talk,

742
00:58:23,980 --> 00:58:25,260
so let's start at seven.

743
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:33,340
Or because if the confide you go ends earlier we just wait till 7 and if it goes later

744
00:58:33,340 --> 00:58:38,660
then it's as early as I would say I was just leave that language in there because that's a good

745
00:58:38,660 --> 00:58:43,400
catch all language vote. But so you can start at 7 and say at 7 or a suit there after

746
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:44,620
is the matter can be reached.

747
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:50,960
All right. So we'll do it at 7. So I have some words on this that I'd like to cover

748
00:58:50,960 --> 00:59:05,500
There's four areas. I'm going to talk about the scope. I want to talk some of our advisory opinions. I just want you to all be aware of what we've gone through already a timeline and then some thank you

749
00:59:05,500 --> 00:59:14,860
So I'm just going to read this. I'll take me a couple of minutes the city council establishes the city's land use policies and regulatory standards through legislation

750
00:59:14,860 --> 00:59:21,380
including the unified development ordinance, the UDO, the city's zoning ordinance, the city's

751
00:59:21,380 --> 00:59:27,100
land use boards administer those regulations and apply the standards established by the city council

752
00:59:27,100 --> 00:59:29,020
to individual applications.

753
00:59:29,820 --> 00:59:36,560
This amendment proposes no change to the stated purposes of the historic review or architectural review.

754
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:42,140
This is a text amendment, not a map amendment, but there are no boundary changes to either

755
00:59:42,140 --> 00:59:48,200
overlay district. The authority and duties for the design review board have not changed except

756
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:54,040
for the addition of reviewing the hardship appeal. The amendment targets the land use

757
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:59,840
application, the land use application review process and intends to clarify.

758
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:07,980
My procedures reduce delays, organize standards, and create a more defensible review framework. The changes

759
01:00:07,980 --> 01:00:16,000
also address comments received in 2021, from ship o, which is the State Historic Organization,

760
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:23,720
to improve the designation procedure and address the lack of an appeal procedure. The council,

761
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:25,580
This is our advisory.

762
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:36,900
The council are a number that we requested advisory opinions from the city, the county planning boards, the DRB, and Shippo, as required for an amendment of the UDO.

763
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:43,280
In July, we received those advisory opinions and their comments have informed the changes in the final draft.

764
01:00:43,780 --> 01:00:50,180
The reviews from the county planning board, city planning board, and Shippo were generally supportive of the UDO changes.

765
01:00:50,180 --> 01:01:01,640
Although the DRB advisory opinion did not support the amendment, the board supported several major elements of the amendment in clarifying review procedures as standards.

766
01:01:02,540 --> 01:01:12,220
The DRB's concern focused on the proposed demolition procedure for the architectural district and on the council and the council appeal procedure.

767
01:01:12,220 --> 01:01:21,680
We believe the final draft addresses the DRB's concerns and others who have expressed similar opinions, such as the Saratoga Springs Preservation Foundation.

768
01:01:22,540 --> 01:01:28,360
The DRB also provided many other detailed comments which we have incorporated into the final draft.

769
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:35,740
The city's special use council, Miller Manic Shacker and Hepter, has worked with us during this process.

770
01:01:36,300 --> 01:01:41,380
Their role is not to provide an opinion on merit or policy. They provide us legal guidance.

771
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:45,720
We have also asked Shippur to send us their comments on the final draft.

772
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:53,260
The timeline, the public hearing will be held at the City Council meetings on October 6, in October 20.

773
01:01:53,260 --> 01:01:58,600
The final drafts of these articles are posted on the website and attached to this agenda.

774
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:03,120
We encourage the public to read the final draft documents.

775
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:08,280
Once the public hearing is closed, the council will complete the secret type one action,

776
01:02:08,740 --> 01:02:12,020
followed by the vote to adopt local law number six.

777
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:15,340
I do want to thank that this has been a collaborative effort.

778
01:02:15,820 --> 01:02:20,280
I want to thank a few people that share the planning board and the DRB.

779
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:27,680
have given even more of their volunteer time to work with our team, and have done valuable

780
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:30,980
and constructive feedback directly on behalf of the boards.

781
01:02:31,620 --> 01:02:38,460
We've also had productive discussions with our city historian, Matt Feach, and with Samantha

782
01:02:38,460 --> 01:02:44,400
Botzer, the preservation foundation, and we appreciate their time and expertise.

783
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:52,960
And we have worked closely with our CLG coordinator at Shippo, the state, the Francis's person we talked to there.

784
01:02:53,420 --> 01:02:59,600
It was been fully engaged with us in delivering how best to solve these problems for guidance continues.

785
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:06,820
This work on the amendment has energized the city's efforts to have a more active preservation program,

786
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:13,120
and we believe it advances the recommendations from the city's 2001 historic preservation plan

787
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:19,280
and the 2015 comprehensive plan and finally I want to thank our staff who handled the work

788
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:24,940
associated with this amendment while continuing to manage heavy volumes of land use and permit

789
01:03:24,940 --> 01:03:30,000
applications. They are the professionals who work with our land use boards and the applicants

790
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:36,880
to administer and comply with the regulations of the UDO. Thank you. We'll move on to accounts.

791
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:39,100
Thank you.

792
01:03:39,660 --> 01:03:49,820
Our first item is to set the public hearing of ordinance to amend Chapter 212 Article

793
01:03:49,820 --> 01:03:54,760
5 of the Code of the City of Saratoga Springs entitled Veterans Tax Exemption.

794
01:03:55,900 --> 01:04:01,160
New York State passed legislation in the 26 budget that allows taxing authorities to adopt

795
01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:07,480
a 100% exemption from the assessed value of property, along with special districts for our

796
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:10,660
disabled or OBGT veterans.

797
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:16,080
The office is fully aware of any questions.

798
01:04:17,660 --> 01:04:20,320
It is a complicated as many to can tell you as well.

799
01:04:20,420 --> 01:04:22,720
It is a complicated exemption for sure.

800
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:27,500
In summary is the following criteria would apply for this exemption.

801
01:04:28,700 --> 01:04:32,620
You have to meet either one or two.

802
01:04:32,780 --> 01:04:36,160
The first is released or discharged from service under honorable conditions.

803
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:45,200
or have one of the following qualifying conditions where any service discharge or release was other than bad conduct or dissonable.

804
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:53,660
That would include post-traumatic stress disorder, traumatic brain injuries, military sexual trauma or have been discharged as an LBGT veteran.

805
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:58,080
And then you also must have item three.

806
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:06,060
You must be considered by the United States Department of Veterans Affairs to be permanently and totally disabled as a result of military service.

807
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:12,740
at 100% as evidenced by a letter and official form or another document that specifically states

808
01:05:12,740 --> 01:05:18,020
such veteran is considered to be permanently and totally disabled as a result of such

809
01:05:18,740 --> 01:05:19,300
service.

810
01:05:20,340 --> 01:05:20,900
Good show.

811
01:05:21,300 --> 01:05:22,560
We're going to set that up.

812
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:24,920
It almost sounds like they have the only one.

813
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:27,460
Sixth and the twenty of those, the two days of the mix.

814
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:28,400
Okay.

815
01:05:29,100 --> 01:05:30,160
That's four veterans.

816
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:34,440
So we would like to set those public hearing for two weeks.

817
01:05:37,050 --> 01:05:49,250
Our second item is a discussion in vote to amend City Code Chapter 212 Article 3 of the Code of the City of Saratoga Springs, New York entitled Senior Citizens Tax Exemption.

818
01:05:50,610 --> 01:06:00,030
I move to amend City Code Chapter 12 Article 3 of the Code of the City of Saratoga Springs, New York entitled Senior Citizens Tax Exemption as a tax to the agenda.

819
01:06:00,030 --> 01:06:02,890
Here, that's our motion. Is there a second?

820
01:06:03,910 --> 01:06:06,470
I can turn in. Any discussion?

821
01:06:07,210 --> 01:06:09,110
Just as we've discussed in the public hearing,

822
01:06:09,230 --> 01:06:12,050
some of these last few weeks, it's to amend the Section of the Code

823
01:06:12,050 --> 01:06:15,210
relating to our senior citizen tax exemption by increasing it

824
01:06:15,210 --> 01:06:20,150
from 50 up to 65% in order to best aid those over age 65

825
01:06:20,150 --> 01:06:21,630
and help them remain in their homes.

826
01:06:22,290 --> 01:06:24,510
All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye.

827
01:06:24,510 --> 01:06:27,150
Aye. You're posting a no-pcentions five-zero.

828
01:06:27,810 --> 01:06:34,670
And our last item is a discussion about its authorization for the mayor to sign the New York Municipal Insurance

829
01:06:34,670 --> 01:06:38,230
reciprocal subscriber agreement, NIMER.

830
01:06:39,910 --> 01:06:45,130
I moved to authorize the mayor to sign the New York Municipal Insurance reciprocal subscriber

831
01:06:45,130 --> 01:06:45,830
agreement.

832
01:06:46,410 --> 01:06:48,610
Yes, we discussed this at the preliminary.

833
01:06:49,330 --> 01:06:51,190
Do I have a second for that?

834
01:06:51,270 --> 01:06:51,490
Second.

835
01:06:52,110 --> 01:06:52,330
The second.

836
01:06:52,910 --> 01:06:53,650
Any other discussion?

837
01:06:55,130 --> 01:07:02,710
Back in January 1st of 2024, the city began a contract that had been signed the prior year with

838
01:07:02,710 --> 01:07:08,550
NIMER for insurance coverage which still continues to this day uninterrupted. However, an oversight

839
01:07:08,550 --> 01:07:14,390
by NIMER that they recently noticed the subscriber agreement which governs the municipality's membership

840
01:07:14,390 --> 01:07:19,650
and participation was actually never completed. So this is just to correct the oversight and

841
01:07:19,650 --> 01:07:26,610
the agreement, it does not affect our previous or ongoing or future insurance coverage in any way.

842
01:07:27,610 --> 01:07:29,990
Any other discussion? I hope I was in favor of say aye.

843
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:34,200
I can be posting it, no extensions, whether it will end.

844
01:07:35,060 --> 01:07:36,120
It's on the finance.

845
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:36,840
Happy view.

846
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:37,840
Thank you.

847
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:40,840
My first item is just an update on city finances.

848
01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:46,320
We put together a visual of where your tax dollars go.

849
01:07:46,580 --> 01:07:49,240
It's a high level overview of the scope of services.

850
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:50,940
Each department provides.

851
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:56,740
It's not an exhaustive representation of the work. Each department handles.

852
01:07:56,740 --> 01:08:01,400
there are many daily responsibilities, services, facilities, and behind-the-scenes functions

853
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:05,040
that are not captured in this high-level B.I.U.I.

854
01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:08,900
welcome any commissioners if they want to drill down, they can.

855
01:08:10,060 --> 01:08:15,960
We just wanted to say where does your tax bid dollars go, so 60 cents on every dollar goes

856
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:21,360
to DPS, 18 to D.P.W.s, six cents for the mayor, accounts, and five to finance and

857
01:08:24,380 --> 01:08:29,920
Public safety, there's a police department that calls for service 27,000, and these are

858
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:35,660
2025 numbers, 944 arrests, you can see of course they do a lot more, but these are just

859
01:08:35,660 --> 01:08:40,520
again high-level things that the police department does, the fire departments, they receive

860
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:48,160
about 7,000, not calls annually, they provide fire rescue hazard material full 24,7 operations,

861
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:53,080
and then there's a traffic department for the traffic signals and regular

862
01:08:53,080 --> 01:09:00,940
choice signs and they paint the, I think the best way to describe our traffic

863
01:09:00,940 --> 01:09:06,600
maintenance department is signs and lines. Okay, fine, fine, fine, yeah. They follow the

864
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:12,720
DPW around. DPW is 18 cents on every tax dollars. Again, this is very high level

865
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:19,040
roads and streets are maintained, flowers, plants, leave pickup, compost, transfer, transportation

866
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:22,840
to take care of all the city buildings, all the city grounds.

867
01:09:24,440 --> 01:09:30,800
They ran out of the carousel, overstate engineering department, they do the storm water, ensure

868
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:31,520
that it's adequate.

869
01:09:32,020 --> 01:09:36,100
They also manage the water and sewer departments, however, they're separate budgets, so they're

870
01:09:36,100 --> 01:09:37,680
not included in this.

871
01:09:38,500 --> 01:09:45,180
Commissioner Cameron, do you want to add anything to other areas of investment, the mayor's,

872
01:09:45,180 --> 01:09:50,000
the other four departments, well, and then rent, mayor, council finance and rent, they're

873
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:54,880
six cents and five cents for per every dollar, every tax dollar, you know, the mayor's

874
01:09:54,880 --> 01:10:01,400
department has a planning department, the building department issues, 1300 permits, usually they have

875
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:06,820
the planning department, the city historian, the community development planner, and then they

876
01:10:06,820 --> 01:10:11,060
admin of parks, open, land, historic reservations, and sustainability.

877
01:10:14,060 --> 01:10:21,460
That position also handles grants for the city looks for them and works with the departments to apply and administer them.

878
01:10:22,340 --> 01:10:24,940
The accounts office is six cents on every dollar.

879
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:30,440
There's a city clerk, the city assessor, purchasing, record retention, billing department.

880
01:10:31,940 --> 01:10:35,720
Finance is five cents on every tax dollar, fiscal oversight by

881
01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:38,260
your planning audits payroll accounts receivable.

882
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:44,320
IT is also under them, it's IT for the city, all city buildings and

883
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:49,660
facilities and emergency services, and then an erect department is five cents

884
01:10:49,660 --> 01:10:53,260
on every dollar and we have quite a robust erect department.

885
01:10:55,360 --> 01:11:00,240
I did want to point out Saratoga Springs is number two out of sixty one of the lowest tax

886
01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:06,720
rates per thousand. This information is from the New York state control is 2025 local government

887
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:14,020
tax table. So again, I did a very high level view of what the departments provide and we are

888
01:11:14,020 --> 01:11:21,060
number two of the lowest tax rates in the state. So I think that's important as we move on

889
01:11:21,060 --> 01:11:27,240
in our 2027 budget discussion. Oh and then if you look if you look at the attachment, it

890
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:31,020
all the cities, tax rates, and where they land.

891
01:11:33,980 --> 01:11:40,660
So with that said, I do want to read, I met with our finance team as we were going over the

892
01:11:40,660 --> 01:11:47,960
request of budgets for 2027 and I wanted to share some of my thoughts as we move on into this process.

893
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:54,720
As we begin the 2027 budget process, we need to be honest about how we arrived at our current

894
01:11:54,720 --> 01:12:00,180
financial position for the past four years, the CD has been in deficit spending and using

895
01:12:00,180 --> 01:12:04,540
fund balance to balance the budget. There has been no meaningful plan to bring reoccurring

896
01:12:04,540 --> 01:12:09,200
expenditures in line with reoccurring revenues. Fund balance is not reoccurring revenue,

897
01:12:09,500 --> 01:12:14,800
once it's spent it's gone. After 2026 we will be very close to the CD's required minimum

898
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:20,540
fund balance of 10%. Leaving little of the financial cushions we have relied upon in previous

899
01:12:20,540 --> 01:12:25,300
budgets. I mean, basically, we've been kicking the can down the road and the can has arrived

900
01:12:25,300 --> 01:12:31,060
at our doorstep. The financial pressures are not new during the 2026 budget process, former

901
01:12:31,060 --> 01:12:35,940
commissioners found to be identified significant increases over the previous four years. We

902
01:12:35,940 --> 01:12:42,260
retirement 18% increase liability insurance 10%. Health insurance 9% salary and debt service

903
01:12:42,260 --> 01:12:48,820
5%. Recurring expenses grew approximately 3.5 times faster than recurring revenues. And

904
01:12:48,820 --> 01:12:54,360
The city cannot continue increasing recurring expenses without identifying recurring revenues

905
01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:56,740
or permanent savings to support them.

906
01:12:57,280 --> 01:13:01,540
For four years, the city had opportunities to address the growing gap between recurring

907
01:13:01,540 --> 01:13:04,420
revenues and expenditures and opportunities were not taken.

908
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:09,720
Tax increases during this period did not adequately address the city's operating shortfall,

909
01:13:10,020 --> 01:13:14,020
including a 0% tax increase in 2025 while expenses grew.

910
01:13:14,780 --> 01:13:20,880
I recognize a raising taxes as narrow and easy decision, neither is reducing expenditures,

911
01:13:21,440 --> 01:13:25,700
changing services, restructuring operations, or making difficult staffing decisions.

912
01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:28,780
But governing requires making difficult choices.

913
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:32,060
Avoiding those choices does not eliminate the cost.

914
01:13:32,380 --> 01:13:36,760
It simply pushes the problem into the next budget and makes eventual corrections more difficult.

915
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:42,240
The 2026 budget anticipated using approximately 1.3 million of fund balance.

916
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:51,500
current projections indicate that actual deficit will be closer to 4.7 million, approximately 3.7 million more than originally anticipated.

917
01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:59,120
This is not simply an accounting issue, it demonstrates that the city's underlying financial position is worse than the adoptive budget reflected.

918
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:06,480
And initial department requests for 2027, currently show a projected shortfall of over $7 million.

919
01:14:07,220 --> 01:14:08,640
This is not the final budget.

920
01:14:09,260 --> 01:14:13,620
We view department requests identify savings, examine revenues, and make adjustments.

921
01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:16,480
But we should not minimize what this number represents.

922
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:20,000
This is a structural imbalance that has developed over years,

923
01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:23,020
not a gap that can be solved by moving money between accounts.

924
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:27,280
There is no single solution, and we all need to look at spending, staffing,

925
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:30,300
operations, efficiencies, revenues, and services.

926
01:14:31,380 --> 01:14:37,920
Over the next week, I will meet individually with commissioners to review their departmental

927
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:42,660
budgets and identify opportunities to reduce costs while protecting services residents

928
01:14:42,660 --> 01:14:43,980
we live on.

929
01:14:44,380 --> 01:14:48,680
Some choices will be difficult, some programs may need to change, some expenditures may need

930
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:53,480
to be reduced, and additional revenue, including taxes, must be considered.

931
01:14:53,480 --> 01:14:58,060
There are no easy choices ahead, but continuing to do nothing is not an option.

932
01:14:58,560 --> 01:14:59,940
My responsibility as commissioner.

933
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:10,740
Finance is not simply to find enough money to balance another budget. It's to make sure the city's financial plan reflects reality. And that we begin addressing the structural problems that have accumulated.

934
01:15:12,020 --> 01:15:27,580
We need to stop using one-time money to fund recurring expenses. We need to stop postponing difficult decisions. We need to stop treating fund balances and ongoing revenue source. And we need to establish a multi-year plan that brings recurring revenues and expenditures into balance.

935
01:15:27,580 --> 01:15:32,900
The residents of Saratoga Springs deserve transparency about the city's financial position,

936
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:35,820
the cost correcting of it and the choices before us.

937
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:40,540
We cannot change to the financial decisions of the last four years, but we must be accountable

938
01:15:40,540 --> 01:15:45,920
for the decisions we make now and begin to put the city on a sustainable financial path.

939
01:15:46,500 --> 01:15:53,060
So we'll be reaching out to the commissioners to set meetings with our budget director

940
01:15:53,060 --> 01:16:02,520
and myself to go over what was submitted, some options that finance office have come up with.

941
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:07,840
And when we have the comp budget, I'll be presenting the comp budget and hopefully we can

942
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:12,880
all be in agreement or work towards an agreement.

943
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:16,300
My next item is-

944
01:16:16,300 --> 01:16:17,480
I just add something to this.

945
01:16:17,480 --> 01:16:17,980
Oh, sir, please.

946
01:16:17,980 --> 01:16:26,900
I do think that we are going to be in a position where we have to make very, very difficult decisions, especially with public safety.

947
01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:34,080
We have incredible response times in the city from both to police and fire departments that average around six minutes.

948
01:16:35,260 --> 01:16:43,140
So if we need to cut expenses, those response times will be going up, obviously, and that puts people's lives in danger.

949
01:16:43,140 --> 01:16:49,060
I understand that. At the same time, no one wants to raise taxes, and that is going to be

950
01:16:49,060 --> 01:16:53,180
the most difficult channels that we'll have ahead. I would add to us how we're going to balance

951
01:16:53,180 --> 01:17:00,320
that. Yeah, I agree. And I'm saying this so when we can all think about, you know, or work with

952
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:06,740
your people that put the budget together of things that we can possibly look for ways to

953
01:17:06,740 --> 01:17:11,720
to save expenses for if we could raise revenue, new revenue sources.

954
01:17:12,940 --> 01:17:13,980
We're certainly not unique.

955
01:17:14,020 --> 01:17:18,300
Every day I read in the paper, another municipality is going through the same thing.

956
01:17:18,380 --> 01:17:19,660
It feels like it's everywhere.

957
01:17:19,900 --> 01:17:24,500
Healthcare has gone crazy, in terms of costs in general, have gone crazy.

958
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:26,400
Every time a man is super expensive.

959
01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:34,540
If I may have, learning more and more, that there are things in the city that DPL

960
01:17:34,540 --> 01:17:42,060
responsible for that you're just not doing, or not doing well enough, and some of these

961
01:17:42,060 --> 01:17:50,060
are regulatory things that puts us under threat of perhaps not being not meeting the regulations

962
01:17:50,060 --> 01:17:56,820
that the state and other is just using both on us, and some of it has to do with not doing

963
01:17:56,820 --> 01:18:03,260
a good enough job of protecting an old stone sewers, and that causes flooding here and there

964
01:18:03,260 --> 01:18:10,160
people, we make it maybe really subject to lawsuits by our own citizens. So as the situation

965
01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:16,240
in D.P.W that I'm finding, we are currently not doing the things that we need to be doing

966
01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:23,400
and we are at risk. So I'll look forward to our discussions and to see where we go and how we

967
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:30,820
address these issues. Again, it's not a one-year fix either. We're looking out for five years to see

968
01:18:30,820 --> 01:18:34,260
how we can come back to a budget neutral.

969
01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:38,140
Again, we, after this year our fund balance will be very close

970
01:18:38,140 --> 01:18:42,740
to the 10% required that per policy.

971
01:18:45,550 --> 01:18:47,770
So I appreciate you and I look forward to working with everyone

972
01:18:47,770 --> 01:18:49,470
as we move forward with that.

973
01:18:49,710 --> 01:18:53,930
My next item is I move to approve an update to city fees.

974
01:18:54,250 --> 01:18:56,010
That's a motion to say a second.

975
01:18:56,450 --> 01:18:56,970
Second.

976
01:18:57,070 --> 01:18:57,950
Colors a second.

977
01:18:58,530 --> 01:18:58,810
Discussion?

978
01:18:59,190 --> 01:19:00,890
This item is to approve an update to turn

979
01:19:00,890 --> 01:19:03,930
it be upon recommendation of the record department.

980
01:19:04,430 --> 01:19:07,630
The fee increasing is from 5,000 to 5,500.

981
01:19:09,030 --> 01:19:10,010
The other discussion?

982
01:19:11,350 --> 01:19:12,610
I was in favor of say aye.

983
01:19:13,230 --> 01:19:13,930
Any policy?

984
01:19:14,670 --> 01:19:15,410
No abstentions?

985
01:19:15,650 --> 01:19:15,990
Five zero.

986
01:19:16,490 --> 01:19:16,810
Thank you.

987
01:19:16,950 --> 01:19:17,510
My next item.

988
01:19:18,050 --> 01:19:23,130
I approve a motion to approve a bond resolution for the purchase of a tandem dump truck.

989
01:19:23,550 --> 01:19:24,110
It's a motion.

990
01:19:24,310 --> 01:19:24,850
Is there a second?

991
01:19:25,470 --> 01:19:25,690
Second?

992
01:19:26,090 --> 01:19:26,170
Second?

993
01:19:27,510 --> 01:19:36,270
This resolution authorizes the city to issue up to $322,082 in cereal bonds to finance the purchase

994
01:19:36,270 --> 01:19:39,830
of a replacement dump truck for unit number 292.

995
01:19:40,290 --> 01:19:45,250
The debt will have a 15-year probable repayment period and the principal and interest payments

996
01:19:45,250 --> 01:19:47,690
will begin upon delivery of the vehicle.

997
01:19:49,250 --> 01:19:51,810
This a roll call vote is required for this.

998
01:19:51,810 --> 01:20:01,970
This was approved in the capital budget to issue a bond resolution on a vehicle that won't be here.

999
01:20:02,190 --> 01:20:05,710
We'll order it now, but it won't be here for maybe two years, actually.

1000
01:20:06,850 --> 01:20:08,110
So we have the motion.

1001
01:20:08,950 --> 01:20:10,090
We get out of motion.

1002
01:20:11,330 --> 01:20:12,130
I need a second.

1003
01:20:13,190 --> 01:20:13,630
Second.

1004
01:20:13,990 --> 01:20:15,170
Second is coal.

1005
01:20:15,570 --> 01:20:16,310
Any other discussion?

1006
01:20:17,310 --> 01:20:19,030
Okay, we take a roll call.

1007
01:20:20,670 --> 01:20:21,770
Mayor Sanford?

1008
01:20:21,930 --> 01:20:22,330
Yes.

1009
01:20:24,170 --> 01:20:25,290
Commissioner Kiernan?

1010
01:20:25,610 --> 01:20:25,690
Yes.

1011
01:20:26,470 --> 01:20:27,230
Commissioner Caremati?

1012
01:20:27,470 --> 01:20:27,930
Yes.

1013
01:20:28,250 --> 01:20:28,930
Commissioner Cole?

1014
01:20:29,330 --> 01:20:29,650
Yes.

1015
01:20:30,290 --> 01:20:31,090
Commissioner Troy C.

1016
01:20:32,670 --> 01:20:33,910
We had a past as Pfizer.

1017
01:20:34,670 --> 01:20:34,930
Thank you.

1018
01:20:35,010 --> 01:20:38,650
My next item is to approve by just transfers as attached to the agenda.

1019
01:20:39,910 --> 01:20:42,110
That's the motion, is there a second?

1020
01:20:42,150 --> 01:20:42,610
Second.

1021
01:20:45,890 --> 01:20:48,510
Well, this item approves payroll related by

1022
01:20:48,510 --> 01:20:51,090
your transfers as they were attached to the agenda,

1023
01:20:51,670 --> 01:20:54,890
and also the use of the contingency line item to cover

1024
01:20:54,890 --> 01:21:01,310
34,313 dollars and 46 cents in the HVAC repairs

1025
01:21:01,310 --> 01:21:02,610
for the police department.

1026
01:21:03,110 --> 01:21:05,970
The remaining balance and the contingency line item will be

1027
01:21:05,970 --> 01:21:09,330
15,358 dollars and 43 cents.

1028
01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:19,160
Yeah, I just want to comment or the air condition and heating system is beyond repair and that cause the big expense

1029
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:21,740
You know

1030
01:21:21,740 --> 01:21:23,920
All those in favor say I

1031
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:32,020
Any opposed say nay no abstentions five zero my next item. I move to approve by due to amendments as a task to be a gender

1032
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:38,040
That's a motion is there a second second. I can cure a body

1033
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:44,340
This item improves a series of budget amendments, including over time in DPS and repairs

1034
01:21:44,340 --> 01:21:50,860
and maintenance at the city center, but it also includes a budget amendment of using $149,000

1035
01:21:50,860 --> 01:21:56,480
of honest line fund balance to replenish the salt and sand lines in DPW as they prepare

1036
01:21:56,480 --> 01:21:58,600
for the upcoming winter months.

1037
01:21:58,700 --> 01:22:00,440
Details are attached to the agenda.

1038
01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:06,960
It wasn't an up money and the salt and sand lines are actually at zero, so in order to prepare

1039
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:11,520
referred October November December we had to move money in there.

1040
01:22:11,540 --> 01:22:15,480
And over the roll call vote is needed because we're using on a sign

1041
01:22:15,480 --> 01:22:17,680
fund balance for the soul and sandline items.

1042
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:19,280
Yeah, into that now.

1043
01:22:19,740 --> 01:22:20,240
I know.

1044
01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:23,820
Roll call vote.

1045
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:24,700
Mayors effort.

1046
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:25,300
Yes.

1047
01:22:25,660 --> 01:22:26,340
Commissioner Kieranen.

1048
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:28,360
Commissioner Kieranen.

1049
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:29,000
Yes.

1050
01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:29,640
Commissioner.

1051
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:31,980
Yes? Mr. Tracy.

1052
01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:35,000
Peter Passes, 5-0.

1053
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:37,320
Dr. Public Court.

1054
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:39,460
Hey, thank you.

1055
01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:46,100
I don't know, one, I move for the mayor to accept settlement agreement from National Grid in the amount

1056
01:22:46,100 --> 01:22:47,440
of $15,000.

1057
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:49,900
It's a motion, is there a second?

1058
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:51,040
Second.

1059
01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:51,880
Second, call.

1060
01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:53,040
Discussion did.

1061
01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:57,160
I took when did the city has reached the settlement, the National Grid,

1062
01:22:57,160 --> 01:23:03,180
regarding damage that they caused when gas service broke through the city's

1063
01:23:03,180 --> 01:23:08,160
sewer main. Resulting sewer backup, National Grid has agreed to compensate the

1064
01:23:08,160 --> 01:23:12,900
city for the costs of the citizens and the settlement payment will be used

1065
01:23:12,900 --> 01:23:16,120
to reimburse those expenses. Any other questions?

1066
01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:19,360
Well, those in favour say aye. Aye. Any opposed?

1067
01:23:19,620 --> 01:23:20,360
Aye. Any opposed? Aye. Any opposed?

1068
01:23:20,360 --> 01:23:20,800
Aye. Any opposed? Aye. Any opposed?

1069
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:21,040
Aye. Any opposed? Aye. Any opposed?

1070
01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:23,780
Aye. Any opposed? Aye. Any opposed? Aye. Any opposed?

1071
01:23:26,460 --> 01:23:27,140
Aye. Any opposed?

1072
01:23:27,140 --> 01:23:29,280
stopping solar electric facilities.

1073
01:23:30,300 --> 01:23:31,080
That's the motion, sir.

1074
01:23:31,580 --> 01:23:31,620
Second.

1075
01:23:32,440 --> 01:23:32,520
Second.

1076
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:33,460
I can call.

1077
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:35,500
The agreement to grassy growth solar

1078
01:23:35,500 --> 01:23:38,060
resources for operating, maintaining and developing

1079
01:23:38,060 --> 01:23:41,540
the photovoltaic solar electric facilities for the city of

1080
01:23:41,540 --> 01:23:42,400
certain of the springs.

1081
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:46,280
The solar credits are to offset water, sewer, and electric

1082
01:23:46,280 --> 01:23:49,420
utility expenses at no cost of the city.

1083
01:23:49,620 --> 01:23:53,220
Thus providing potential savings on the utilities bills.

1084
01:23:53,460 --> 01:23:54,720
Any other discussion?

1085
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:59,460
I do, who keeps track of the credits and how they're applied?

1086
01:24:01,140 --> 01:24:02,500
I don't know.

1087
01:24:03,820 --> 01:24:08,640
And this was set up, I think, in the previous administration before I got here,

1088
01:24:09,200 --> 01:24:12,120
and this is just an end to an agreement that's already in place.

1089
01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:16,680
So, whatever method was being used before, it's being followed.

1090
01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:18,840
How are you looking to it?

1091
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:22,780
Yeah, can you let me know, because we have another contract with solar credits as well.

1092
01:24:22,780 --> 01:24:32,920
Yes, that's the why will field but but I'm still where we're now researching to ensure that I know what the credits were getting and I know the bills

1093
01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:38,200
I'm having some of my office making sure these credits get to these bills like to close that loop

1094
01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:45,900
So I'd like to be able to do that for this as well because it seems I just want to make sure that we're getting the credits that was off

1095
01:24:45,900 --> 01:24:48,160
I know we're happy to help

1096
01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:52,820
If we have found out that they don't voluntarily give us our money, if we have to kind of thank you.

1097
01:24:53,260 --> 01:24:53,780
Exactly.

1098
01:24:54,200 --> 01:24:58,120
So that's what I want to close the loop on that.

1099
01:24:58,160 --> 01:24:59,020
Send up to get credits.

1100
01:24:59,420 --> 01:25:03,120
Let's work together to make sure that we're getting what we're signing up for.

1101
01:25:03,260 --> 01:25:04,080
Any other discussion?

1102
01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:04,920
Deal.

1103
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:06,440
Yeah, all good.

1104
01:25:06,780 --> 01:25:07,980
All those in favor say aye.

1105
01:25:09,480 --> 01:25:10,520
Any opposed?

1106
01:25:11,060 --> 01:25:12,060
No instructions.

1107
01:25:12,460 --> 01:25:12,740
Five zero.

1108
01:25:13,100 --> 01:25:14,040
Item number three.

1109
01:25:14,380 --> 01:25:15,860
A move for the mayor to sign it.

1110
01:25:15,860 --> 01:25:21,500
number one would grow in reality for commercial real-state services. That's the motion, now

1111
01:25:21,500 --> 01:25:26,700
second it. This event number grow in reality will address the need to hire external vendors

1112
01:25:26,700 --> 01:25:33,260
for the purposes of performing appraisals, engineering and environmental reviews and other services

1113
01:25:33,260 --> 01:25:39,360
that will be considered routine in a municipal real-state transaction. It is not to exceed

1114
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:47,440
$120,000, of course, you know, these are related to our potential acquisition of the

1115
01:25:47,440 --> 01:25:48,100
Boosies property.

1116
01:25:48,660 --> 01:25:54,000
So if we have a motion, okay, table, I'll second that motion.

1117
01:25:56,080 --> 01:25:57,620
And any other discussion on that?

1118
01:25:57,620 --> 01:25:59,060
I think we're all pretty clear.

1119
01:25:59,260 --> 01:26:01,940
Well, I just want to ensure that the council is committed.

1120
01:26:01,940 --> 01:26:03,640
I don't want to spend a dime on this.

1121
01:26:04,900 --> 01:26:08,240
If we move forward with this and it makes financial sense

1122
01:26:08,940 --> 01:26:15,640
That the council is committed to move forward with this purchase, I guess.

1123
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:18,900
Again, it needs to make financial sense, but I don't want it to back out.

1124
01:26:19,060 --> 01:26:21,760
We spend the money, and then all of a sudden, people change their mind.

1125
01:26:21,980 --> 01:26:22,860
It's not a good idea.

1126
01:26:23,080 --> 01:26:27,560
I just want to make sure that there's a commitment on the half of...

1127
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:31,280
Yeah, I'll speak for the Department of Public Safety.

1128
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:36,820
We're certainly committed to moving forward with it, and I think this will be a reimbursement.

1129
01:26:36,820 --> 01:26:41,620
these expenses are reimbursed once we sell the city's property.

1130
01:26:43,780 --> 01:26:50,420
Yeah, I mean this is a, I would say historic opportunity for us to acquire new facilities

1131
01:26:50,420 --> 01:26:55,480
and be able to transact some of the properties that the city owns today.

1132
01:26:56,620 --> 01:27:03,160
And I don't, I, everything looks really like a very, very promising thing for the city to do.

1133
01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:04,260
Okay, thank you.

1134
01:27:04,540 --> 01:27:10,220
Yeah, and to that, I do think it takes care of our infrastructure needs that I've been part of it.

1135
01:27:10,220 --> 01:27:14,920
Part of it for a long time I've been avoided at really no cost or minimal cost.

1136
01:27:15,240 --> 01:27:20,980
Yeah, and if anyone has any doubt, they can take another tour of the police department downstairs, or

1137
01:27:20,980 --> 01:27:22,540
and the garage, and to be done with it.

1138
01:27:22,540 --> 01:27:23,800
Probably, but there's a plate leaking.

1139
01:27:24,220 --> 01:27:24,980
Right, that's right.

1140
01:27:25,420 --> 01:27:28,200
If from a real estate perspective, this is an amazing opportunity.

1141
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:32,400
I mean, real estate people buy and sell properties all the time.

1142
01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:41,080
So we have the opportunity to own just as much value-wise in real estate and have it something

1143
01:27:41,080 --> 01:27:47,060
that's suiting our needs as opposed to owning that same amount of property, dollar-wise

1144
01:27:47,060 --> 01:27:48,920
that isn't suiting our needs anywhere.

1145
01:27:50,260 --> 01:27:50,420
So.

1146
01:27:50,940 --> 01:27:51,300
I agree.

1147
01:27:51,680 --> 01:27:52,440
The other discussion?

1148
01:27:53,100 --> 01:27:54,180
All those in favor say aye.

1149
01:27:54,220 --> 01:27:54,620
Aye.

1150
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:55,720
Any opposed thing?

1151
01:27:56,600 --> 01:27:56,760
Aye.

1152
01:27:56,760 --> 01:28:03,940
most engines, 5-0. Well, last item is I move for the Mayor to sign change order with

1153
01:28:03,940 --> 01:28:09,780
J&K trucking and excavation in Quink for water distribution pipe replacement project

1154
01:28:10,480 --> 01:28:16,060
Feast 3. This is the project on Clinton Street that is almost completed now.

1155
01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:18,380
Okay, we have motion. Is there a second?

1156
01:28:19,160 --> 01:28:19,240
Second.

1157
01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:22,160
What was happening at any other discussion?

1158
01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:24,220
What do you know is that one?

1159
01:28:24,420 --> 01:28:25,880
All those in favor say aye.

1160
01:28:25,940 --> 01:28:26,240
Aye.

1161
01:28:26,460 --> 01:28:27,740
Any opposed saying aye?

1162
01:28:28,140 --> 01:28:29,020
No abstentions.

1163
01:28:29,140 --> 01:28:29,760
Matter passes.

1164
01:28:30,080 --> 01:28:30,560
Excuse me.

1165
01:28:31,420 --> 01:28:32,180
Thank you, sir.

1166
01:28:34,140 --> 01:28:34,620
Thank you, Mayor.

1167
01:28:35,160 --> 01:28:35,760
First item.

1168
01:28:35,900 --> 01:28:38,040
I moved to authorize the mayor to sign the dendom

1169
01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:41,980
with perigrain technologies to extend our current contract

1170
01:28:41,980 --> 01:28:46,620
to December 31, 227 with the same terms and conditions

1171
01:28:46,620 --> 01:28:50,440
at no additional cost and I put this in form of motion.

1172
01:28:51,020 --> 01:28:53,100
At some motion, is there a second?

1173
01:28:53,340 --> 01:28:53,920
Second?

1174
01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:55,660
Second, can you carry money on your discussion?

1175
01:28:56,520 --> 01:29:02,560
Yes, the Serial Contract was approved by Council and October of 2023 for a 3-year contract.

1176
01:29:03,660 --> 01:29:08,540
This is a 3-year contract for data consulting services.

1177
01:29:09,100 --> 01:29:13,920
This is basically for our software system that connects our computer and a 8-bit

1178
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:19,220
that system with our record management. And again, no additional cost to the city for the

1179
01:29:19,220 --> 01:29:19,940
one year extension.

1180
01:29:20,260 --> 01:29:21,040
Any other discussion?

1181
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:23,220
All those in favour of the guy?

1182
01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:23,720
Hi.

1183
01:29:23,940 --> 01:29:25,060
Any post same day?

1184
01:29:25,180 --> 01:29:25,900
No abstention?

1185
01:29:26,020 --> 01:29:26,600
Size 0.

1186
01:29:27,240 --> 01:29:33,060
A second item I moved to authorize the bearers on a contract with Lerosis on Motiv for the outfitting

1187
01:29:33,060 --> 01:29:38,400
of police vehicles in the amount of not to exceed $11,000 and that put that in a form

1188
01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:38,880
remotion.

1189
01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:39,700
We have a motion.

1190
01:29:39,860 --> 01:29:40,540
Is there a second?

1191
01:29:42,220 --> 01:29:42,360
Second.

1192
01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:45,920
and Karen and here's the question.

1193
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:51,560
Funds will come from the Police Department's vehicle budget line, not to exceed $18,000 in the

1194
01:29:51,560 --> 01:29:58,960
police equipment line, not to exceed $3,000 in this related to vehicle that was replaced

1195
01:29:58,960 --> 01:29:59,980
because of an accident.

1196
01:30:04,080 --> 01:30:18,700
May 3rd item, I move to authorize the payment to pitchfield communications in the amount of 312,803 cents, despite a deviation from the purchasing policy in direct finance, the issue payment from the capital, budget line, and I put this in form of motion.

1197
01:30:18,700 --> 01:30:24,260
You have a motion. Is there a second? Second? Okay, Marty. Discussion?

1198
01:30:25,100 --> 01:30:35,860
This installation was done prior to a purchase order being established. This is for a mobile radio speaker that will be located in the cab for the new fire engine.

1199
01:30:36,380 --> 01:30:41,760
And I believe because it's coming from the capital budget line, we would need to roll call vote. Is that correct, Commissioner?

1200
01:30:42,700 --> 01:30:44,080
Are you on pitch field communication?

1201
01:30:44,780 --> 01:30:49,020
Yeah, unfortunately there's nothing attached to the agenda. Oh, there's not okay. I'll pull that then

1202
01:30:49,020 --> 01:30:52,100
Yeah, thank you. I'm sorry. I just noticed that as like clicked on it.

1203
01:30:52,160 --> 01:30:53,000
Get know where I will

1204
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:59,090
Okay, I'm pulling my item number three. I'm pulling 163. I'm pulling 163. That's correct.

1205
01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:05,370
My fourth item is I moved to authorized the payment. I'm sorry, which is done by third item.

1206
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:08,930
I moved to authorized the payment to Allen. Elsework the amount of

1207
01:31:08,930 --> 01:31:16,950
$2,270 for draft shoes for our police horse braiding, despite the deviation from the purchasing

1208
01:31:16,950 --> 01:31:20,890
policy and direct finance issue of payment from the police department's horse care budget

1209
01:31:21,870 --> 01:31:22,430
line.

1210
01:31:22,490 --> 01:31:24,150
And I put that in a form of motion.

1211
01:31:24,650 --> 01:31:25,150
That's the motion.

1212
01:31:25,410 --> 01:31:26,270
Is there a second?

1213
01:31:28,010 --> 01:31:28,390
Our current.

1214
01:31:30,030 --> 01:31:34,410
Yeah, the discussion is that this vendor does not carry this sufficient required insurance.

1215
01:31:34,410 --> 01:31:50,650
and the invoices are from February to August, and this is one of the areas in the light of the fiscal headwinds we are assessing to determine if we can move forward and still have the amount of unit to be operational.

1216
01:31:50,650 --> 01:32:01,730
It doesn't impact calls to service, the time for calls to service, the impact or operations, so we are evaluating this program to see if we can continue it.

1217
01:32:01,730 --> 01:32:04,210
let's say at the reality that we deal with.

1218
01:32:05,830 --> 01:32:06,950
Any other discussion?

1219
01:32:08,330 --> 01:32:09,630
Well, those in favor say aye.

1220
01:32:09,650 --> 01:32:10,110
Aye.

1221
01:32:10,270 --> 01:32:11,710
Any post saying aye.

1222
01:32:12,030 --> 01:32:17,110
Note that since that matter of cases, is there anything else before the council tonight?

1223
01:32:17,670 --> 01:32:20,270
And I move that we adjourn, do I have a second?

1224
01:32:20,730 --> 01:32:23,410
Second is care of body, all in favor say aye.

1225
01:32:25,230 --> 01:32:26,330
Note stenchies.

1226
01:32:27,730 --> 01:32:28,390
No no.