1 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:56,960 Thank you. Councelor Burl and Councelor 2 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:58,320 White, you're moving the motions to go 3 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:01,040 in camera. 4 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:04,240 I move that Sarnia City Council mo I 5 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,719 move that Sarnia City Council move into 6 00:02:06,719 --> 00:02:11,440 close session pursuant to sections 239 2 7 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:16,480 B C E F and K of the Municipal Act to 8 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,040 consider the following matters 9 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:21,360 to receive advice that is subject to 10 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,840 solicitor client privilege regarding a 11 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:28,000 legal action commenced against the city. 12 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,000 Consideration will be given to 13 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,160 appointments to the joint compliance 14 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,319 audit committee. 15 00:02:34,319 --> 00:02:36,160 Consideration will be given to 16 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:39,280 appointments to the Sarna Chris Hadfield 17 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,080 Airport Municipal Services Corporation 18 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:43,920 board. 19 00:02:43,920 --> 00:02:46,080 Consideration will be given to an 20 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,480 expression of interest to acquire 21 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:50,800 city-owned land. 22 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:52,720 Consideration will be given to an 23 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,599 expression of interest to lease land at 24 00:02:55,599 --> 00:02:57,599 the airport. 25 00:02:57,599 --> 00:02:59,680 Consideration will be given to a matter 26 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,159 that is the subject of litigation 27 00:03:02,159 --> 00:03:05,760 concerning contractual performance. 28 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:07,760 Consideration will be given to advice 29 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:09,760 that is subject to solicitor client 30 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,560 privilege and negotiations with respect 31 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:14,640 to a lease. 32 00:03:14,640 --> 00:03:17,200 Council provided direction to staff 33 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:21,519 regarding litigation affecting laws. 34 00:03:21,519 --> 00:03:24,080 >> All those in favor, we will return at 35 00:03:24,080 --> 00:52:13,109 1:00. Thank you everyone. 36 00:52:13,119 --> 00:52:31,910 Check one two mic 37 00:52:31,920 --> 01:02:17,589 Mike one second. 38 01:02:17,599 --> 01:02:24,309 That's a good go. Thank you, 39 01:02:24,319 --> 01:02:25,839 » Mr. Wells. I'm going to warn you right 40 01:02:25,839 --> 01:02:28,160 now. If you don't if you do not behave 41 01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:30,079 yourself, 42 01:02:30,079 --> 01:02:35,280 >> Don, if you don't behave yourself, 43 01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:36,720 >> Don, we're running a meeting right now. 44 01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:38,880 if you don't behave, if you don't 45 01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:40,480 behave yourself, you'll be ejected from 46 01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:50,470 this meeting. 47 01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:51,920 All right. Thank you. If we could move 48 01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:54,319 forward, 49 01:02:54,319 --> 01:02:57,599 I'll move the council right as report. 50 01:02:57,599 --> 01:03:00,319 >> I report that um we received advice 51 01:03:00,319 --> 01:03:01,839 subject to solicister client privilege 52 01:03:01,839 --> 01:03:03,200 regarding a legal action commenced 53 01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:05,760 against the city. The council provided 54 01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:06,960 direction to staff regarding 55 01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:19,750 appointments to a joint compliance audit audit committee 56 01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:22,559 and we made a num number of appointments 57 01:03:22,559 --> 01:03:26,160 to the new uh airport group the 58 01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:28,799 municipal service organization and I 59 01:03:28,799 --> 01:03:30,319 will say on behalf of council we've 60 01:03:30,319 --> 01:03:33,039 never had such a high quality of 61 01:03:33,039 --> 01:03:34,640 applicants so it was an extremely 62 01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:36,319 difficult decision to pick these 63 01:03:36,319 --> 01:03:38,240 positions to look to to get this 64 01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:40,319 operation up and running. We have 65 01:03:40,319 --> 01:03:42,720 appointed Jillian Shelley, Glenn 66 01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:46,079 Fenwick, Matthew Bertran, and Paul 67 01:03:46,079 --> 01:03:48,400 Busack. And there's an opening still on 68 01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:53,990 the legal side. 69 01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:55,760 Council also provided direction to staff 70 01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:58,319 regarding an expression of interest to 71 01:03:58,319 --> 01:04:01,359 acquire city own land. We provided 72 01:04:01,359 --> 01:04:02,400 direction to staff regarding an 73 01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:04,000 expression of interest to lease land at 74 01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:06,240 the airport. 75 01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:07,599 Council provided direction to staff 76 01:04:07,599 --> 01:04:09,039 regarding a matter that's subject to 77 01:04:09,039 --> 01:04:10,400 litigation concerning contract 78 01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:11,920 performances. Council provided direction 79 01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:13,839 to staff regarding the negotiations and 80 01:04:13,839 --> 01:04:15,039 received advice that's subject to 81 01:04:15,039 --> 01:04:16,640 solicitor client privilege. We respect 82 01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:18,799 those agreements. Council provided 83 01:04:18,799 --> 01:04:20,960 direction to staff regarding litigation 84 01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:23,920 affecting laws. And that's my report. 85 01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,559 >> I move that Sarn City Council adopt the 86 01:04:26,559 --> 01:04:28,319 report of the closed meeting. 87 01:04:28,319 --> 01:04:31,440 >> All those in favor? That is done. I 88 01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:33,119 acknowledge in the territory 89 01:04:33,119 --> 01:04:34,640 acknowledgement in the spirit of peace 90 01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:36,240 and friendship we honor an inher of the 91 01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:38,480 three fires confederacy on whose 92 01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:40,240 traditional territory we are gathered. 93 01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:41,680 The city of Sarna has resolved to 94 01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:43,359 implement the United Nations declaration 95 01:04:43,359 --> 01:04:46,000 on the rights of indigenous people. And 96 01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:47,760 I would ask you if you can stand to 97 01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:49,680 stand for O Canada and then a moment of 98 01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:55,029 silent reflection. 99 01:04:55,039 --> 01:05:03,179 Our 100 01:05:03,189 --> 01:05:05,349 [music and singing] 101 01:05:05,359 --> 01:05:10,480 home and native land 102 01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:13,270 true [music] 103 01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:15,520 love 104 01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:16,880 in all [music] 105 01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:21,190 of life 106 01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:22,840 with 107 01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:25,920 [singing] hearts we seek. 108 01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:30,240 Rise the true north [singing] strong and 109 01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:32,240 free 110 01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:37,920 from far and wide. Oh Canada 111 01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:39,440 we stand [singing] 112 01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:44,319 on guard for thee. [music] 113 01:05:44,319 --> 01:05:45,599 God [singing] 114 01:05:45,599 --> 01:05:49,910 keep our land [music] 115 01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:52,390 glorious [singing] 116 01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:55,680 and free. 117 01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:59,119 Oh Canada [music] 118 01:05:59,119 --> 01:06:00,720 we stand [singing] 119 01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:02,960 on guard 120 01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:07,430 for thee. [music] 121 01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:11,119 Oh Canada, 122 01:06:11,119 --> 01:06:12,720 we stand [singing] 123 01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:16,540 on God. 124 01:06:16,550 --> 01:06:33,510 [music] 125 01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:37,670 Thank you everyone. 126 01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:39,520 » Are there any declarations of conflict 127 01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:41,359 of interest? Councelor White. 128 01:06:41,359 --> 01:06:43,200 >> Uh yes. I'm going to declare a conflict 129 01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:45,839 on delegation number one as it's in 130 01:06:45,839 --> 01:06:48,880 regards to my own neighborhood. 131 01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:52,549 >> Thank you very much. 132 01:06:52,559 --> 01:06:54,960 If we if we councelor Keller 133 01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:58,720 >> um just I I hate to interrupt the the meeting but I do do think it's 134 01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:02,799 important for us to um uh recognize that 135 01:07:02,799 --> 01:07:04,640 today is your birthday. This is the last 136 01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:06,880 day before uh we get into election 137 01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:08,400 period and I I just want to wish you a 138 01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:10,960 happy birthday and and uh move forward 139 01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:11,760 from there. Thanks. 140 01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:13,119 >> Well, councelor Kellner, I cannot tell 141 01:07:13,119 --> 01:07:15,119 you a better place for me to celebrate 142 01:07:15,119 --> 01:07:17,359 my birthday than here. [laughter] 143 01:07:17,359 --> 01:07:19,920 >> Thank you for that. Um, 144 01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:21,599 >> okay. Don, I'm This is your last 145 01:07:21,599 --> 01:07:22,079 warning. 146 01:07:22,079 --> 01:07:22,880 >> It's my birthday. 147 01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:25,680 >> Don, this is your last warning. 148 01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:27,680 >> So, please sit down and let us go ahead 149 01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:29,760 with the public's business. If we can 150 01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:31,359 move into the public meeting, uh, we 151 01:07:31,359 --> 01:07:33,200 have a on Confederation line. Miss 152 01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:34,240 Grant, would you like to come forward 153 01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:59,829 and present 154 01:07:59,839 --> 01:08:01,839 Good afternoon in your worship members 155 01:08:01,839 --> 01:08:04,319 of council city staff and members of the 156 01:08:04,319 --> 01:08:07,920 public and my name is K grant I'm one of 157 01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:11,039 the planners here with the city one 158 01:08:11,039 --> 01:08:13,359 teeth brown planning consultants 159 01:08:13,359 --> 01:08:16,000 submitted official plan and zoning bylaw 160 01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:18,480 amendment applications to develop lands 161 01:08:18,480 --> 01:08:22,640 known municipally as 1519 and 1521 162 01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:26,719 Confederation Line for automative uses. 163 01:08:26,719 --> 01:08:28,640 The site is planned to accommodate two 164 01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:31,839 automative dealerships with associated 165 01:08:31,839 --> 01:08:36,319 office sales showroom and service areas. 166 01:08:36,319 --> 01:08:38,640 The official plan amendment portion will 167 01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:40,640 designate the lands from prestige 168 01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:43,520 employment to mixeduse corridor one to 169 01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:47,120 permit automative use only. The zoning 170 01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:48,960 by amendment portion will create a 171 01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:51,920 sightsp specific exception under the 172 01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:55,040 general commercial one zone to permit 173 01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:57,920 the proposed use. These applications 174 01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:01,520 were circulated for review and commence 175 01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:03,679 to the review and agencies and 176 01:09:03,679 --> 01:09:07,120 departments and publicized as per the 177 01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:10,159 provisions of the planning act. No 178 01:09:10,159 --> 01:09:12,799 concerns were raised by the review 179 01:09:12,799 --> 01:09:14,960 agencies and no commence were received 180 01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:17,199 from the public. 181 01:09:17,199 --> 01:09:20,799 Should the draft OPA and zoning by 182 01:09:20,799 --> 01:09:23,600 amendment be adopted, said plan approval 183 01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:25,520 will be required to permit the proposed 184 01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:27,040 use. 185 01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:29,839 Planning staff has 186 01:09:29,839 --> 01:09:31,359 evaluated 187 01:09:31,359 --> 01:09:33,679 the proposal based on all applicable 188 01:09:33,679 --> 01:09:36,319 land use planning policies and zoning 189 01:09:36,319 --> 01:09:39,920 bylaw 85 of 2002. 190 01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:42,640 And it is planning staff opinion that 191 01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:45,920 the proposal is consistent with the PPS 192 01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:49,279 and conforms to the Lantern County 193 01:09:49,279 --> 01:09:52,480 official plan and the SNI official plan. 194 01:09:52,480 --> 01:09:54,560 Planning staff supports the proposal and 195 01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:58,080 recommends for it to be approved. I 196 01:09:58,080 --> 01:09:59,600 understand that their planning 197 01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:02,000 consultants are available to answer 198 01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:06,800 questions that uh on the proposal. 199 01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:08,480 >> Thank you. 200 01:10:08,480 --> 01:10:12,950 bring on the planning consultants. 201 01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:14,480 » They're joining us virtually, I 202 01:10:14,480 --> 01:10:20,790 understand. 203 01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:22,560 » Just they're just joining now. 204 01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:31,669 >> Thank you. 205 01:10:31,679 --> 01:10:34,960 » Hello. Can you hear me? 206 01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:36,880 >> Mr. McGuffin and the other gentlemen. 207 01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:38,320 You've heard the planning presentation. 208 01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:39,679 It's recommending approval. Do you have 209 01:10:39,679 --> 01:10:41,679 anything further to add? 210 01:10:41,679 --> 01:10:44,640 >> Uh through you, Mayor Bradley. I'm Adam 211 01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:46,719 Lru, planner at Monteth Brown Planning 212 01:10:46,719 --> 01:10:48,159 Consultants, and I'm here with Jay 213 01:10:48,159 --> 01:10:50,159 McGuffin, principal planner at Monteth 214 01:10:50,159 --> 01:10:52,719 Brown Planning Consultants. Uh we're 215 01:10:52,719 --> 01:10:55,840 here on behalf of the property owner uh 216 01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:57,600 for the official plan amendment and 217 01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:01,679 zoning bylaw amendments at 1519 and 1521 218 01:11:01,679 --> 01:11:04,239 Confederation Line. Uh we just wanted to 219 01:11:04,239 --> 01:11:05,679 thank staff for their work on this 220 01:11:05,679 --> 01:11:07,679 application. We've reviewed the staff 221 01:11:07,679 --> 01:11:10,640 report and bylaws and are in agreement 222 01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:12,560 with the recommendations outlined within 223 01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:14,880 the report and we're available to answer 224 01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:16,880 any questions that council or the public 225 01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:18,560 may have regarding the application. 226 01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:20,480 >> Okay. I'm not seeing any questions from 227 01:11:20,480 --> 01:11:22,239 council 228 01:11:22,239 --> 01:11:25,520 have any further anything further to add 229 01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:27,600 and there's no one appears uh to object 230 01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:30,400 to the application. So with that, I will 231 01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:32,480 close the public portion of the meeting 232 01:11:32,480 --> 01:11:34,080 and I will look for a resolution from 233 01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:36,480 councel on the application. Councelor 234 01:11:36,480 --> 01:11:37,760 Vanderberg, councelor White, you're 235 01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:39,679 moving it and seconding it. Any further 236 01:11:39,679 --> 01:11:43,679 discussion? All those in favor? That is 237 01:11:43,679 --> 01:11:47,270 done. Thank you. 238 01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:49,760 Next is a public meeting related to uh 239 01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:52,320 Centennial Park and Solister is going to 240 01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:54,239 make a brief presentation and then we'll 241 01:11:54,239 --> 01:11:56,080 have one presentation from Donna Payet 242 01:11:56,080 --> 01:12:13,030 of the Sonia Humane Society. 243 01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:15,040 Good afternoon, your worship, members of 244 01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:18,560 council and city staff. Thank you for 245 01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:20,640 the opportunity to speak to you today. 246 01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:22,800 My name is Donna Payatt and I have the 247 01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:24,960 privilege of serving as executive 248 01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:26,800 director of the Sarna District Human 249 01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:28,320 Society. 250 01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:30,000 I am here to speak to you on behalf of 251 01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:31,760 the board of directors and the community 252 01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:34,400 we serve regarding the recently declared 253 01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:37,120 surplus lands and council's impending 254 01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:39,440 decision on whether those lands should 255 01:12:39,440 --> 01:12:42,350 be sold or retained. 256 01:12:42,350 --> 01:12:43,520 [clears throat] 257 01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:45,840 Respectfully, we believe the decision 258 01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:48,400 before you is about something much 259 01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:51,280 bigger than a parcel of land. It is 260 01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:54,239 about what that land makes possible. 261 01:12:54,239 --> 01:12:56,480 In June, council granted the Humane 262 01:12:56,480 --> 01:12:59,600 Society first right of refusal, and for 263 01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:01,760 that we are deeply and sincerely 264 01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:05,120 grateful. We recognize, however, that 265 01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:07,520 the first right of refusal is not a 266 01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:10,239 guarantee. We understand that council 267 01:13:10,239 --> 01:13:12,400 must carefully consider the long-term 268 01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:15,440 interests of the city and its residents 269 01:13:15,440 --> 01:13:19,750 before making any final decisions. 270 01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:21,679 Today, I want to share why this land 271 01:13:21,679 --> 01:13:24,000 matters so deeply, not just to our 272 01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:26,239 organization, but to the people and 273 01:13:26,239 --> 01:13:28,719 animals of your community, and why we 274 01:13:28,719 --> 01:13:31,120 believe preserving this opportunity 275 01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:33,040 aligns with a vision that has been 276 01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:35,920 decades in the making. 277 01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:38,640 The Sernian District Humane Society is 278 01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:41,280 much more than an animal shelter. Every 279 01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:44,719 day, we provide a safe refuge, care, and 280 01:13:44,719 --> 01:13:46,719 second chances to animals who have 281 01:13:46,719 --> 01:13:48,560 nowhere else to go. 282 01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:50,800 We reunite lost pets with anxious 283 01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:53,280 families. We help seniors keep beloved 284 01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:56,159 companions. We support people facing 285 01:13:56,159 --> 01:13:58,640 financial hardship who have otherwise 286 01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:01,600 struggled to care for their animals. 287 01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:03,760 We work with community partners, 288 01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:06,560 volunteers, foster families, 289 01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:09,280 veterinarians, and donors who all share 290 01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:12,239 a common belief that compassion 291 01:14:12,239 --> 01:14:14,800 strengthens a community. 292 01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:16,719 When think people think about the Humane 293 01:14:16,719 --> 01:14:19,199 Society, they often think of animals. 294 01:14:19,199 --> 01:14:20,960 But our work is really about people, 295 01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:23,920 too. Anyone who has experienced the 296 01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:26,560 unconditional love of a pet understands 297 01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:29,199 the impact animals have on mental 298 01:14:29,199 --> 01:14:32,560 health, emotional well-being, social 299 01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:36,080 connection, and their quality of life. 300 01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:38,159 Every successful adoption creates a 301 01:14:38,159 --> 01:14:41,280 family. Every animal saved eases 302 01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:44,560 suffering. And every pet retained in a 303 01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:47,520 home supports programs that prevent 304 01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:52,070 another crisis. 305 01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:54,960 » The land before you today represents an 306 01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:57,199 opportunity to build upon that community 307 01:14:57,199 --> 01:14:59,840 impact for generations. 308 01:14:59,840 --> 01:15:02,480 >> Excuse me, M. I fine. I hate to 309 01:15:02,480 --> 01:15:03,280 interrupt your uh 310 01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:05,840 >> That's okay, 311 01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:12,310 >> Mr. Wells. Mr. Wells, please. 312 01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:15,199 Mr. Wells, would would you please leave 313 01:15:15,199 --> 01:15:17,360 people alone back there or vacate the 314 01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:20,550 chamber? 315 01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:22,560 » Yeah, I'm talking to you, Don. You're 316 01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:23,520 disrupting the meeting. 317 01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:26,320 >> I will sit down. 318 01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:28,320 >> Please sit down and be quiet. Miss 319 01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:29,840 Payet, again, I apologize. 320 01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:34,070 >> It's okay. 321 01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:36,400 » Payet, I apologize. Please go ahead. 322 01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:38,560 >> Thank you. 323 01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:40,640 As our community grows and changes, so 324 01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:42,719 do the demands placed on animal welfare 325 01:15:42,719 --> 01:15:44,960 organizations. We face increasing 326 01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:47,199 challenges related to animal intake, 327 01:15:47,199 --> 01:15:49,520 housing capacity, enrichment needs, 328 01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:52,239 veterinary care, and public services. 329 01:15:52,239 --> 01:15:54,560 Additionally, the land provides room to 330 01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:56,560 think beyond today's needs and prepare 331 01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:59,600 for tomorrow's realities. It increas It 332 01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:02,000 creates possibilities for expanded 333 01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:04,640 animal care facilities, educational 334 01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:06,480 programs, and increased community 335 01:16:06,480 --> 01:16:08,080 engagement. 336 01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:10,640 And perhaps most importantly, the 337 01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:12,400 possibilities that we cannot fully 338 01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:16,400 realize if this opportunity is lost. 339 01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:18,719 Once land is sold and developed, it is 340 01:16:18,719 --> 01:16:20,400 gone forever. 341 01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:22,480 Opportunities to expand community 342 01:16:22,480 --> 01:16:24,800 serving infrastructure do not come 343 01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:28,080 around often, particularly adjacent to 344 01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:31,280 our existing shelter. This is a unique 345 01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:33,840 moment and one that may never present 346 01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:36,000 itself again. 347 01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:38,719 As council considers this decision, I 348 01:16:38,719 --> 01:16:40,800 would also like to remind you of a 349 01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:44,080 vision that was planted many years ago 350 01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:46,480 by a remarkable community leader in 351 01:16:46,480 --> 01:16:49,920 animal welfare, Marilyn her. 352 01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:52,400 Many of you will remember Marilyn and 353 01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:55,280 know or know of her contributions on 354 01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:57,440 behalf of those who cannot speak for 355 01:16:57,440 --> 01:17:00,159 themselves. When Marilyn began her work 356 01:17:00,159 --> 01:17:02,800 with the Humane Society, operations were 357 01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:04,719 conducted from a modest two- room 358 01:17:04,719 --> 01:17:08,159 shelter on Campbell Street. Conditions 359 01:17:08,159 --> 01:17:11,120 were far different than they are today. 360 01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:13,760 Resources were limited. Expectations 361 01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:17,280 were different. Yet, Marilyn saw beyond 362 01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:20,159 what existed. She had a vision for 363 01:17:20,159 --> 01:17:22,560 something better. She believed that the 364 01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:24,239 animals in this community deserved 365 01:17:24,239 --> 01:17:26,719 better. She believed that the people who 366 01:17:26,719 --> 01:17:28,480 cared about those animals deserve 367 01:17:28,480 --> 01:17:31,040 better. And she believed that the Humane 368 01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:33,840 Society could become a larger, more 369 01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:36,719 impactful community organization that 370 01:17:36,719 --> 01:17:40,320 anyone might have imagined at this time. 371 01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:42,960 Because of people like Marlin and 372 01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:44,960 because previous councils and community 373 01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:47,280 leaders were willing to look beyond 374 01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:49,520 immediate circumstances and invest in 375 01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:52,880 the future, we are where we are today. 376 01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:55,199 What once seemed ambitious became a 377 01:17:55,199 --> 01:17:58,480 reality. What once seemed distant became 378 01:17:58,480 --> 01:18:01,040 achievable. The current discussion about 379 01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:04,560 these lands is in many ways an extension 380 01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:07,040 of the very vision that Maryland planted 381 01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:08,880 years ago. 382 01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:11,760 Maryland planted a seed and it grew 383 01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:14,480 because people believed in it. Today, 384 01:18:14,480 --> 01:18:17,040 council has an opportunity to help 385 01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:20,239 ensure it continues to grow. This is not 386 01:18:20,239 --> 01:18:21,840 simply about acquiring additional 387 01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:24,239 property. It is about protecting the 388 01:18:24,239 --> 01:18:26,480 potential to meet future community 389 01:18:26,480 --> 01:18:29,120 needs. It is about ensuring that the 390 01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:32,159 humane society can continue evolving as 391 01:18:32,159 --> 01:18:34,880 circumstances change. And it is about 392 01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:37,920 creating capacity before crisis demands 393 01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:41,280 it. Most importantly, this is about 394 01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:42,880 stewardship. 395 01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:45,120 The Humane Society has been entrusted 396 01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:48,080 with the welfare of vulnerable animals 397 01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:52,000 for generations, over seven decades. We 398 01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:54,960 take that responsibility seriously. We 399 01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:57,199 know that every decision we make must be 400 01:18:57,199 --> 01:18:59,520 guided by fiscal responsibility, 401 01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:01,520 operational planning, and community 402 01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:04,400 benefit. If given the opportunity to 403 01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:06,880 secure this land, we intend to approach 404 01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:08,400 it with that same sense of 405 01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:11,760 responsibility and long-term thinking. 406 01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:14,480 Council is often asked to weigh 407 01:19:14,480 --> 01:19:17,199 competing priorities. You are asked to 408 01:19:17,199 --> 01:19:19,199 balance today's realities with 409 01:19:19,199 --> 01:19:21,280 tomorrow's possibilities. 410 01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:23,600 These decisions are not always easy, and 411 01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:27,040 we respect that. But some decisions have 412 01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:29,360 the potential to create benefits that 413 01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:31,920 last for decades, and I personally 414 01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:33,440 believe that this is one of those 415 01:19:33,440 --> 01:19:35,600 decisions. 416 01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:37,679 The value of this land should not be 417 01:19:37,679 --> 01:19:40,000 measured solely in dollars or potential 418 01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:42,480 sale proceeds. Its value should be 419 01:19:42,480 --> 01:19:44,880 measured in the community impact which 420 01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:48,390 it will create. 421 01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:50,480 Sorry. [clears throat] 422 01:19:50,480 --> 01:19:53,440 Future opportunity, animal welfare and 423 01:19:53,440 --> 01:19:55,120 the legacy that we leave for future 424 01:19:55,120 --> 01:19:56,719 generations. 425 01:19:56,719 --> 01:19:58,960 Years from now, the financial return 426 01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:02,400 from the land sale will be forgotten. 427 01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:05,120 But the impact of preserving an 428 01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:07,600 opportunity for a community institution 429 01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:11,280 to grow and serve more people and 430 01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:13,760 animals will continue to be seen every 431 01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:17,920 day in every adoption, every reunion, 432 01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:20,800 and every family supported and every 433 01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:22,640 animal that's been given a second 434 01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:24,239 chance. 435 01:20:24,239 --> 01:20:26,239 This is not about taking something away 436 01:20:26,239 --> 01:20:28,159 from Sarna. 437 01:20:28,159 --> 01:20:30,960 It is about investing in something that 438 01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:33,199 has been giving back to Sarnia for over 439 01:20:33,199 --> 01:20:36,239 70 years. We are asking you to consider 440 01:20:36,239 --> 01:20:39,120 the opportunity before you not simply as 441 01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:41,760 a question of land but as a question of 442 01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:44,480 community impact. On behalf of the 443 01:20:44,480 --> 01:20:48,000 staff, volunteers, donors, foster 444 01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:50,719 families, supporters, and the countless 445 01:20:50,719 --> 01:20:53,520 animals who depend on us, I respectfully 446 01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:56,400 ask council to consider the broader 447 01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:58,880 community value of these lands and the 448 01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:01,679 role they play in helping the Sarnia 449 01:21:01,679 --> 01:21:03,520 District Humane Society continue its 450 01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:06,239 mission into the future. Let us continue 451 01:21:06,239 --> 01:21:08,960 building on the vision that Marilyn her 452 01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:11,360 began in a small two- room shelter on 453 01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:13,760 Camel Street. Let us nurture the seed 454 01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:15,679 that she planted 455 01:21:15,679 --> 01:21:17,600 and let us ensure that future 456 01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:20,560 generations inherit a humane society 457 01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:23,040 that is prepared, capable, and 458 01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:25,520 positioned to serve this community for 459 01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:28,080 decades to come. Thank you for your 460 01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:30,320 time, your consideration, and your 461 01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:32,320 continued support of animal welfare. 462 01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:33,280 Respectfully, 463 01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:34,719 >> thank you, Miss Pat. And again, I 464 01:21:34,719 --> 01:21:36,640 apologize for the interruptions there. I 465 01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:38,480 was really pleased you um recognized 466 01:21:38,480 --> 01:21:39,679 Marilyn. 467 01:21:39,679 --> 01:21:42,880 >> Of course. Yes. Um question is we go 468 01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:44,320 through this process and you've been 469 01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:46,006 very good working with on the process 470 01:21:46,006 --> 01:21:51,030 [applause] 471 01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:53,520 » as we move into LA later this year. 472 01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:56,000 What's your time frame council when 473 01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:57,679 council gives that approval to move 474 01:21:57,679 --> 01:21:59,600 forward on that land? Like we talking 475 01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:01,600 late this year, next year? 476 01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:04,719 >> Late this year if possible. 477 01:22:04,719 --> 01:22:06,639 >> Any questions? Uh, Councelor Vandenberg, 478 01:22:06,639 --> 01:22:09,520 Councelor White, Councelor Ker, 479 01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:11,600 >> and then Councelor Burl. Okay, go ahead, 480 01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:12,800 please. 481 01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:14,159 >> You're going to let me go first. Oh, 482 01:22:14,159 --> 01:22:15,679 thanks. Thanks, Councelor Vandenberg. 483 01:22:15,679 --> 01:22:23,760 Uh, Mayor Bradley, uh, through you, uh, the whole situation. I just want to 484 01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:25,920 kind of go back to the broader picture, 485 01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:28,560 which is you're located where you are. 486 01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:31,360 Your neighbors are Sandrin Cargle, uh, 487 01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:33,600 Patty Flarities, and so on and so forth, 488 01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:37,840 Centennial Park even. and uh uh there's 489 01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:40,000 excess land there. And our conversation 490 01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:42,400 is essentially that 491 01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:46,080 um it makes a whole lot more sense for 492 01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:47,920 an organization that already has really 493 01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:50,880 good neighbors uh to expand where they 494 01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:54,080 are with the support of their neighbors. 495 01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:56,639 uh rather than trying to find a new 496 01:22:56,639 --> 01:23:03,199 location and uh convince neighbors uh in new locations 497 01:23:03,199 --> 01:23:06,719 uh to get used to dogs barking and cats 498 01:23:06,719 --> 01:23:08,960 meowing and parrots doing whatever 499 01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:13,600 parrots do. Uh so uh I'm fundamentally 500 01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:19,679 just this is just a general comment that to me the pitch that you're making 501 01:23:19,679 --> 01:23:22,400 makes a whole lot of sense. Uh there's 502 01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:25,920 the uh the location also supports lots 503 01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:29,440 of people who are perhaps unhoused or 504 01:23:29,440 --> 01:23:32,639 couch surfing that depend on their pets 505 01:23:32,639 --> 01:23:36,960 uh to uh just provide support. You know, 506 01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:39,199 we all need companions on the journey. 507 01:23:39,199 --> 01:23:46,719 And uh I suppose my question is is this kind of stuff that I'm 508 01:23:46,719 --> 01:23:50,000 thinking about does that make sense in 509 01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:51,760 terms of moving this forward? Because 510 01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:54,159 you folks don't aren't just a humane 511 01:23:54,159 --> 01:23:56,000 society, you're also the pound service 512 01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:59,760 in in this in this city and like we 513 01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:01,520 require 514 01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:05,600 u just incredible serious 515 01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:09,040 uh support from [snorts] you. Um, the 516 01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:11,679 location makes sense, the neighbors make 517 01:24:11,679 --> 01:24:14,639 sense, and and an expansion makes sense. 518 01:24:14,639 --> 01:24:16,719 It 519 01:24:16,719 --> 01:24:18,623 >> all makes sense. 520 01:24:18,623 --> 01:24:20,560 [laughter] It does. It all makes sense. 521 01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:21,760 It does. Yes, 522 01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:23,280 >> that's a good answer. Uh, Council 523 01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:25,040 Vanderberg, Councelor White, and then 524 01:24:25,040 --> 01:24:25,920 Councelor Burl. 525 01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:28,400 >> Thank you, Horship. Um, you know, it's 526 01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:30,239 no secret that the Humane Society and I 527 01:24:30,239 --> 01:24:32,800 was a former chair and former board 528 01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:34,880 member for a number of years and it's no 529 01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:39,280 secret that we've been looking for or we 530 01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:41,600 they have been looking for a spot for 531 01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:42,880 quite a while and now now they've 532 01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:45,360 centered back on the spot beside their 533 01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:47,520 original location. 534 01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:49,600 your worship. My my thinking of this 535 01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:51,600 matter is it's it's we have these 536 01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:53,040 documents in front of us today saying 537 01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:54,880 it's a right at first of refusal and all 538 01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:56,480 this other stuff and we have to wait 539 01:24:56,480 --> 01:24:58,880 another six weeks maybe to see if 540 01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:02,560 anybody else uh shows up with 541 01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:04,320 an offer to purchase or or some 542 01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:06,480 expression of interest. Uh this has been 543 01:25:06,480 --> 01:25:08,239 going on. It's been public record for a 544 01:25:08,239 --> 01:25:10,480 number of years now. We everybody in the 545 01:25:10,480 --> 01:25:12,080 city of Sarnia and the county of Lamp 546 01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:13,280 probably the province of Ontario knows 547 01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:15,920 that they we need a new facility here. I 548 01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:17,760 don't know why we need to sit here and 549 01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:19,840 wait another six weeks to find out if 550 01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:21,600 anybody is expressing any interest in 551 01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:23,840 this property. I I think if there was 552 01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:26,080 any expression of interest now that 553 01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:27,840 would have been brought forward at some 554 01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:29,600 point in time and and unless somebody 555 01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:31,760 can tell me otherwise but I don't see 556 01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:33,440 anybody running up to the podium here to 557 01:25:33,440 --> 01:25:34,960 tell tell us that they want to buy that 558 01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:38,960 property. So I I my respectful 559 01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:40,480 submission would be in this regard your 560 01:25:40,480 --> 01:25:43,120 worship that uh we dropped this right of 561 01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:46,560 first of re get and tell the humane 562 01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:49,120 society that today we will start 563 01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:51,120 negotiating with them and so they can 564 01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:53,440 make that purchase of the property. 565 01:25:53,440 --> 01:25:55,564 Sorry 566 01:25:55,564 --> 01:25:56,960 [applause] 567 01:25:56,960 --> 01:25:58,320 I don't like being in this position but 568 01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:00,320 the reality is you're a public body and 569 01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:01,679 I believe the humane society has 570 01:26:01,679 --> 01:26:03,120 recognized that. Yes, we have. 571 01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:04,880 >> And this will take us through councelor 572 01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:06,960 Vandenberg with known and with there are 573 01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:09,120 critics of this land going to the main 574 01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:11,199 society. This will keep you bulletproof 575 01:26:11,199 --> 01:26:13,840 on any complaints the ombsman or anyone 576 01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:16,880 else about how we disposed of this land 577 01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:18,560 and that's the only reason I brought 578 01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:19,760 with the support of the mayor side of 579 01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:22,080 this clause. It'll be done in six weeks 580 01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:24,320 and then we can move forward. But I 581 01:26:24,320 --> 01:26:26,000 would just caution you if you derail it 582 01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:28,080 right now uh you may have ever 583 01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:29,520 consequences to the city and that's what 584 01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:32,639 we're trying to avoid. 585 01:26:32,639 --> 01:26:35,199 concern is your worship if is this the 586 01:26:35,199 --> 01:26:36,639 last council meeting we're having so 587 01:26:36,639 --> 01:26:38,000 it's six weeks from now what happens 588 01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:39,280 then 589 01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:41,920 >> well the CEO is mandated to move forward 590 01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:43,760 with the direction of council if we at 591 01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:46,400 that point 592 01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:48,080 >> and we can marry that together so we can 593 01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:48,639 work that out 594 01:26:48,639 --> 01:26:50,480 >> so that would be part of the the motion 595 01:26:50,480 --> 01:26:52,239 that that would proceed in six weeks 596 01:26:52,239 --> 01:26:54,400 whether it's so but it got approved 597 01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:55,040 today 598 01:26:55,040 --> 01:26:56,560 >> yep that's I believe within his 599 01:26:56,560 --> 01:26:58,960 authority 600 01:26:58,960 --> 01:27:01,679 councelor white councelor Burl. 601 01:27:01,679 --> 01:27:03,360 >> Uh, thank you. Uh, and thank you, Miss 602 01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:05,600 Bad. Thank you for being here. Um, I'll 603 01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:07,360 be honest, I was disappointed at the 604 01:27:07,360 --> 01:27:09,040 previous plan of moving somewhere else 605 01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:11,520 and now we're reverting back to was it 5 606 01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:13,040 years ago, six years ago, we were 607 01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:14,960 talking about this same location. 608 01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:20,480 >> Um, which I was 100% on board with and remain. So, so I'm actually excited 609 01:27:20,480 --> 01:27:22,239 that we're here today. And and I think 610 01:27:22,239 --> 01:27:24,400 what's uh the point that was just made 611 01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:27,360 has been uh difficult uh for a lot of 612 01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:28,560 folks to understand that there's 613 01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:30,719 actually just a regulatory process. It 614 01:27:30,719 --> 01:27:34,800 doesn't mean that we're not individually 615 01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:36,560 or collectively supportive one way or 616 01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:38,239 the other, but there is a legal process 617 01:27:38,239 --> 01:27:39,920 that we just have to follow. And I know 618 01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:43,600 through discussions with yourself and the board chair that you're aware of 619 01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:45,120 that as well. So I think it's important 620 01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:47,040 to acknowledge that for public sake that 621 01:27:47,040 --> 01:27:49,280 we're just we're checking the boxes 622 01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:50,719 here. We're making sure, as the mayor 623 01:27:50,719 --> 01:27:52,320 said, that we're bulletproof and and 624 01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:53,920 that we're going to find ourselves after 625 01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:58,480 a very long period of years. Uh, 626 01:27:58,480 --> 01:27:59,920 working through some difficult 627 01:27:59,920 --> 01:28:02,560 circumstances of which, you know, I I 628 01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:04,320 think are very unfortunate, but here we 629 01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:07,040 are today. Um, and I'm really excited 630 01:28:07,040 --> 01:28:09,600 about what the future holds for you. Um, 631 01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:11,520 and and the organization and the city as 632 01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:12,800 a whole. So, thank you for your 633 01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:14,639 perseverance and thank you for allowing 634 01:28:14,639 --> 01:28:17,199 us to get to this point today. Uh first 635 01:28:17,199 --> 01:28:20,960 off, um and could could you um uh two 636 01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:22,560 things. I want to just absolutely 637 01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:25,920 explicitly understand what your ask is 638 01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:28,880 today. I I think we're clear, but I want 639 01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:30,320 to make sure that I hear it from you 640 01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:32,400 directly. Um given that you've got the 641 01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:35,440 microphone. Um and then uh would you be 642 01:28:35,440 --> 01:28:38,159 able to just I think for for the sake of 643 01:28:38,159 --> 01:28:41,120 hope and optimism elaborate on some of 644 01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:44,560 the future plans that you do anticipate 645 01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:47,440 um employing in that particular space. 646 01:28:47,440 --> 01:28:48,800 What can we look forward to? 647 01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:51,120 >> Certainly from your worship to council 648 01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:54,239 Councilman White um I don't believe that 649 01:28:54,239 --> 01:28:56,239 there was really an ask today as much as 650 01:28:56,239 --> 01:28:59,199 it was. Um we just felt we've been we've 651 01:28:59,199 --> 01:29:01,120 tried to remain very quiet about this. 652 01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:02,639 We have reached out to counselors and we 653 01:29:02,639 --> 01:29:05,120 have had those conversations and I 654 01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:06,639 believe we just reached a point where we 655 01:29:06,639 --> 01:29:09,360 thought you know what we need to we need 656 01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:12,719 to to say what what we 657 01:29:12,719 --> 01:29:14,320 just need everyone to know [laughter] 658 01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:16,880 what what we think and what we feel um 659 01:29:16,880 --> 01:29:21,360 and to make council aware um that how 660 01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:23,199 important this land is to us and how 661 01:29:23,199 --> 01:29:26,159 important um this project is to us. Um, 662 01:29:26,159 --> 01:29:28,400 I will say, um, and I do want to give 663 01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:31,199 kudos to city staff, um, who have been 664 01:29:31,199 --> 01:29:33,440 in this with us for quite a few years 665 01:29:33,440 --> 01:29:35,440 and most specifically over the last 666 01:29:35,440 --> 01:29:37,840 year, um, and I will embarrass them and 667 01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:39,600 point them out as to Adam McDonald and 668 01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:42,480 to Eric Hyatt who have been extremely 669 01:29:42,480 --> 01:29:44,320 patient with us in meeting with us and 670 01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:46,960 answering a lot of questions and kind of 671 01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:48,960 navigating us through this. So, um, 672 01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:50,719 kudos to them and to the city staff. 673 01:29:50,719 --> 01:29:54,159 They've been great. Um, I think the 674 01:29:54,159 --> 01:29:57,120 biggest piece of what the shelter, the 675 01:29:57,120 --> 01:29:58,800 new shelter, what we envision for that 676 01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:00,639 new shelter is the services to the 677 01:30:00,639 --> 01:30:02,719 community. So, some of you do know that 678 01:30:02,719 --> 01:30:05,600 we do Howled um public wellness clinics 679 01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:07,760 um throughout the year. Um they're 680 01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:10,159 completely volunteer-driven and they 681 01:30:10,159 --> 01:30:13,199 provide wellness to to owned pets um for 682 01:30:13,199 --> 01:30:15,280 people who um just need a little bit of 683 01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:19,280 help. Um last year we serviced close to 684 01:30:19,280 --> 01:30:23,040 2,000 pets. So, um, this year we've only 685 01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:28,159 held two and we're well over into 686 01:30:28,159 --> 01:30:30,400 beating that number. And it just, you 687 01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:34,320 know, it it shows us um how desperately 688 01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:38,719 needed uh our community animals um the 689 01:30:38,719 --> 01:30:42,400 owned animals are into needing help. and 690 01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:44,000 um you know looking at that new shelter 691 01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:46,719 and providing an affordable veterinary 692 01:30:46,719 --> 01:30:49,040 clinic for our community so that 693 01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:52,480 everyone regardless of you know where 694 01:30:52,480 --> 01:30:54,960 they sit on that financial scale can 695 01:30:54,960 --> 01:30:56,960 access that veterinary care. That's a 696 01:30:56,960 --> 01:30:59,440 big one for us. Um community programs 697 01:30:59,440 --> 01:31:04,719 where we can um enhance our uh our 698 01:31:04,719 --> 01:31:08,719 emergency housing services. Um that new 699 01:31:08,719 --> 01:31:10,480 shelter will will bring that to us. 700 01:31:10,480 --> 01:31:12,400 right now we're just we're so bogged 701 01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:16,880 down with surreners and strays and if we 702 01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:19,520 just had that ability to be able to 703 01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:21,280 provide a bigger space where we can help 704 01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:23,760 the community more. Um that's really 705 01:31:23,760 --> 01:31:25,600 what that's really what it all comes 706 01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:27,600 down to for this new shelter. 707 01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:29,120 >> Councelor Burl, 708 01:31:29,120 --> 01:31:30,800 >> Council Mc Roberts, 709 01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:31,920 >> uh excuse me. [clears throat] Thank you, 710 01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:34,480 worship. Uh just uh I guess a question 711 01:31:34,480 --> 01:31:38,000 for staff before I um have other 712 01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:40,480 questions, but what is the current 713 01:31:40,480 --> 01:31:42,239 arrangement 714 01:31:42,239 --> 01:31:49,910 on the existing facility 715 01:31:49,920 --> 01:31:52,080 » through the mayor uh with respect to the 716 01:31:52,080 --> 01:31:54,320 lands at least to the Sarnian District 717 01:31:54,320 --> 01:31:56,719 Humane Society or the lands adjacent to 718 01:31:56,719 --> 01:31:59,360 them? 719 01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:03,840 Okay. So, the city owns the land and 720 01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:05,920 the humane society owns the building. Is 721 01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:08,960 that basically it through the mayor? 722 01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:10,239 Yes, that is correct. With respect to 723 01:32:10,239 --> 01:32:12,239 the lands 724 01:32:12,239 --> 01:32:14,560 that the Sernian District Humane Society 725 01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:16,480 are situated on, the city owns the land 726 01:32:16,480 --> 01:32:18,800 and is under a lease um agreement with 727 01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:20,400 the Humane Society who owns the 728 01:32:20,400 --> 01:32:24,080 building. the lands subject to the um 729 01:32:24,080 --> 01:32:26,800 this public meeting are the lands east 730 01:32:26,800 --> 01:32:28,639 so adjacent to them. 731 01:32:28,639 --> 01:32:31,040 >> Yes, thank you. Uh yes. So I guess my 732 01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:36,000 basic my question is why why is the uh 733 01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:38,159 humane society [clears throat] 734 01:32:38,159 --> 01:32:41,440 interested in purchasing this land where 735 01:32:41,440 --> 01:32:45,120 the city has already provided the 736 01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:48,239 existing land really I guess it's just 737 01:32:48,239 --> 01:32:50,080 least like a dollar a year kind of it's 738 01:32:50,080 --> 01:32:52,800 basically donated land why is it that 739 01:32:52,800 --> 01:32:56,080 they want to now buy land as opposed to 740 01:32:56,080 --> 01:32:59,520 maybe working some deal with the city on 741 01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:03,120 leasing again or whatever 742 01:33:03,120 --> 01:33:05,840 >> through the worship to um Councilman 743 01:33:05,840 --> 01:33:08,639 Burl. Um great question. Um one that we 744 01:33:08,639 --> 01:33:12,159 get asked a lot um in lease agreements 745 01:33:12,159 --> 01:33:13,920 um and we've had a great lease agreement 746 01:33:13,920 --> 01:33:16,800 with the city of Sarnia for a number of 747 01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:18,400 years. Um and I know that lease 748 01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:21,520 agreement comes up I believe in 20 2030 749 01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:24,239 2040. Um, 750 01:33:24,239 --> 01:33:26,880 a lot of it is based on our donor base 751 01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:29,120 and um, 752 01:33:29,120 --> 01:33:30,800 we, you know, we truly believe in 753 01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:34,320 conversations with them that, um, owned 754 01:33:34,320 --> 01:33:37,120 land makes more sense. If we're going to 755 01:33:37,120 --> 01:33:39,440 sink $10 million into a building, we 756 01:33:39,440 --> 01:33:41,520 want it to be sitting on own land and 757 01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:44,000 not lease land. Council has been great 758 01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:47,280 over the last 40, 50, 60, 70 years, but 759 01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:49,360 council in five years may look a lot 760 01:33:49,360 --> 01:33:51,520 differently and may have a different 761 01:33:51,520 --> 01:33:53,760 idea. So, you know, this protects that 762 01:33:53,760 --> 01:33:58,709 shelter um with us owning that land. 763 01:33:58,719 --> 01:34:01,520 » Thank you, Councelor McRoberts. 764 01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:03,199 >> Thank you to the chair. Thank you, 765 01:34:03,199 --> 01:34:05,360 Donna, for your talk. So, how is 766 01:34:05,360 --> 01:34:06,960 fundraising going right now? 767 01:34:06,960 --> 01:34:07,600 >> Really good. 768 01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:08,960 >> And that's for the building, right? 769 01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:09,920 >> Absolutely. 770 01:34:09,920 --> 01:34:12,080 >> So, I'm going to jump the gun here and 771 01:34:12,080 --> 01:34:14,480 say first write or refusal and it 772 01:34:14,480 --> 01:34:17,199 happens. Would it be unoured for us to 773 01:34:17,199 --> 01:34:19,040 say in a contract that we're going to 774 01:34:19,040 --> 01:34:20,800 give them 775 01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:24,639 50 years to pay off that land as opposed 776 01:34:24,639 --> 01:34:26,960 to having to fund raise and come up with 777 01:34:26,960 --> 01:34:28,960 that immediately? I know that that's up 778 01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:30,719 to the staff to make this happen, but as 779 01:34:30,719 --> 01:34:33,760 Donna just said, councils can change. 780 01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:36,159 So, if we put into a contract to give 781 01:34:36,159 --> 01:34:38,800 them the longest possible term to pay 782 01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:41,360 that off cuz 10 million isn't just going 783 01:34:41,360 --> 01:34:42,800 to happen overnight for them to build 784 01:34:42,800 --> 01:34:45,040 the building to plus their permits and 785 01:34:45,040 --> 01:34:45,600 whatnot. 786 01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:47,120 >> But you're not looking for that, 787 01:34:47,120 --> 01:34:49,280 correct? You're not looking for a lease. 788 01:34:49,280 --> 01:34:50,480 >> We are not looking for a lease. 789 01:34:50,480 --> 01:34:52,159 >> They're looking to purchase it, right? 790 01:34:52,159 --> 01:34:54,719 So, that's we're estimating it's $1.4 791 01:34:54,719 --> 01:34:57,199 million. They've got a $10 million bill 792 01:34:57,199 --> 01:34:59,360 to build a building. I would I would 793 01:34:59,360 --> 01:35:00,719 suggest you do want to wait till the end 794 01:35:00,719 --> 01:35:04,639 of uh let's say eight weeks and then 795 01:35:04,639 --> 01:35:05,760 go from there. 796 01:35:05,760 --> 01:35:06,080 >> Okay, 797 01:35:06,080 --> 01:35:07,440 >> that makes sense. Okay, 798 01:35:07,440 --> 01:35:09,600 >> if I could to and you have the right to 799 01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:11,360 call an emergency meeting for us to be 800 01:35:11,360 --> 01:35:12,480 online and discuss. 801 01:35:12,480 --> 01:35:14,560 >> It's in my notes here that if by any 802 01:35:14,560 --> 01:35:16,320 chance the CEO has indicated very 803 01:35:16,320 --> 01:35:17,679 clearly, I'm going to ask you to change 804 01:35:17,679 --> 01:35:19,600 the resolution about returning to 805 01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:22,639 council to the CEO. But for any when any 806 01:35:22,639 --> 01:35:24,880 reason we thought um we needed to meet 807 01:35:24,880 --> 01:35:26,320 with council, I will call a special 808 01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:28,719 meeting at the end of the 809 01:35:28,719 --> 01:35:31,679 Thank you very much. Miss Nicholson, do 810 01:35:31,679 --> 01:35:32,719 you have anything you want to add to 811 01:35:32,719 --> 01:35:35,600 this? 812 01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:37,920 >> Please go ahead. 813 01:35:37,920 --> 01:35:40,320 Sorry. Amber, Miss 814 01:35:40,320 --> 01:35:42,960 Giggles, go ahead, please. 815 01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:44,880 >> Okay. Uh, yes. Thank you. Thank you, 816 01:35:44,880 --> 01:35:46,239 worship. Uh I don't have a question 817 01:35:46,239 --> 01:35:49,440 directly to Miss Payet but I I did want 818 01:35:49,440 --> 01:35:52,960 to ask a question of yourself and and 819 01:35:52,960 --> 01:35:56,880 staff because in this report it says uh 820 01:35:56,880 --> 01:36:02,800 we are going to have um in the EO EOI or 821 01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:05,040 expression of interest and have an eight 822 01:36:05,040 --> 01:36:07,920 each 8 week period to do so. You already 823 01:36:07,920 --> 01:36:10,000 stated your worship that is going to be 824 01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:13,920 in six weeks. Uh, I would like to ask if 825 01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:16,639 we can shorten that down again to four 826 01:36:16,639 --> 01:36:19,440 weeks. And the reason I'm saying that is 827 01:36:19,440 --> 01:36:20,880 because it will allow us to have a 828 01:36:20,880 --> 01:36:22,560 special meeting in August and get this 829 01:36:22,560 --> 01:36:26,719 all wrapped up. My explanation it comes 830 01:36:26,719 --> 01:36:32,159 back to the report again which says um 831 01:36:32,159 --> 01:36:34,960 any submissions uh will be non-binding 832 01:36:34,960 --> 01:36:37,440 and could be considered council can 833 01:36:37,440 --> 01:36:39,120 consider 834 01:36:39,120 --> 01:36:41,360 or are not obligated to take any other 835 01:36:41,360 --> 01:36:44,239 submissions but the preferred. 836 01:36:44,239 --> 01:36:50,560 So really, we're we're we're trying to satisfy the legal 837 01:36:50,560 --> 01:36:52,960 component, but I don't think the 838 01:36:52,960 --> 01:36:55,360 timelines would would interfere with 839 01:36:55,360 --> 01:36:58,639 that at all given the fact that this is 840 01:36:58,639 --> 01:37:03,119 such um a very public um transaction 841 01:37:03,119 --> 01:37:06,000 that we've had. There's there's massive 842 01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:08,000 support. Yes, there's some that that are 843 01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:09,920 isn't, but there's massive support, I 844 01:37:09,920 --> 01:37:12,000 would say, for this particular project 845 01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:15,040 and the um certainly the the council has 846 01:37:15,040 --> 01:37:18,960 certainly um indicated that they have uh 847 01:37:18,960 --> 01:37:22,239 very strong support for this project. 848 01:37:22,239 --> 01:37:24,239 And then when I look at actually the 849 01:37:24,239 --> 01:37:28,880 policy that we have um the purpose of 850 01:37:28,880 --> 01:37:33,280 the policy and I'm quoting here is um to 851 01:37:33,280 --> 01:37:35,119 have an accountable and equitable 852 01:37:35,119 --> 01:37:37,360 process in a manner consistent with the 853 01:37:37,360 --> 01:37:41,040 best interest of the city. I would argue 854 01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:45,119 that um having this whole transaction 855 01:37:45,119 --> 01:37:48,239 done within this council's term is in 856 01:37:48,239 --> 01:37:50,880 the best interest of the city because 857 01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:53,360 we're satisfying the needs of the city, 858 01:37:53,360 --> 01:37:56,239 we're satisfying the needs of this 859 01:37:56,239 --> 01:37:58,719 humane society who not only looks after 860 01:37:58,719 --> 01:38:01,679 our pound for us but also uh looks after 861 01:38:01,679 --> 01:38:04,719 the animal farm. So, I would ask and 862 01:38:04,719 --> 01:38:06,639 I'll make this as a motion coming 863 01:38:06,639 --> 01:38:08,880 forward if I can that we shorten that 864 01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:12,639 EOI process down to four weeks and then 865 01:38:12,639 --> 01:38:16,159 uh have call a special meeting to um to 866 01:38:16,159 --> 01:38:17,040 finish it off. 867 01:38:17,040 --> 01:38:19,360 >> Okay. I just want to remind council that 868 01:38:19,360 --> 01:38:21,119 you have not decided yet whether this 869 01:38:21,119 --> 01:38:22,560 land is going to be surplus. That's what 870 01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:25,040 you're doing today. You've got a choice 871 01:38:25,040 --> 01:38:28,480 of uh directing that we do not dispose 872 01:38:28,480 --> 01:38:30,480 of the land or that we move forward with 873 01:38:30,480 --> 01:38:32,560 the humane society. That's the question 874 01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:35,440 today that we decide time frames and my 875 01:38:35,440 --> 01:38:37,360 recommendation and the CEO said he's 876 01:38:37,360 --> 01:38:40,080 fine with that is to uh de delegate him 877 01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:42,480 to make a decision if council gives that 878 01:38:42,480 --> 01:38:45,679 positive direction 879 01:38:45,679 --> 01:38:47,760 and if I said earlier if necessary I'll 880 01:38:47,760 --> 01:38:49,119 call a special meeting I would hope not 881 01:38:49,119 --> 01:38:50,320 because I think the direction is very 882 01:38:50,320 --> 01:38:53,360 clear if we endorse this other motion. 883 01:38:53,360 --> 01:38:56,000 So with that I thank you and did you to 884 01:38:56,000 --> 01:38:57,119 our lawyer do you have anything further 885 01:38:57,119 --> 01:39:01,510 to add 886 01:39:01,520 --> 01:39:04,800 » is there a reason why it's eight weeks 887 01:39:04,800 --> 01:39:08,239 >> so uh to the mayor the 888 01:39:08,239 --> 01:39:10,960 because of the value of the land uh and 889 01:39:10,960 --> 01:39:12,480 the potential interest being it's 890 01:39:12,480 --> 01:39:15,360 waterfront uh public parkland um the 891 01:39:15,360 --> 01:39:17,920 proposal was eight weeks to allow for 892 01:39:17,920 --> 01:39:20,880 potential interested parties to prepare 893 01:39:20,880 --> 01:39:23,440 um a comprehensive proposal EOI to bring 894 01:39:23,440 --> 01:39:25,679 to council is just um to allow them time 895 01:39:25,679 --> 01:39:28,000 to prepare that. Um if council's desire 896 01:39:28,000 --> 01:39:30,480 is to shorten that period um we we can 897 01:39:30,480 --> 01:39:34,320 certainly do so. Um I would um with 898 01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:38,960 respect to the the four weeks um 899 01:39:38,960 --> 01:39:40,800 bringing back to August, I would just 900 01:39:40,800 --> 01:39:43,040 caution that that timeline um would be 901 01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:46,080 short to to prepare the report um and 902 01:39:46,080 --> 01:39:48,480 bring to council in in four weeks. 903 01:39:48,480 --> 01:39:49,840 >> Thank you very much, Miss Pette. 904 01:39:49,840 --> 01:39:51,600 >> Thank you. So council you have had 905 01:39:51,600 --> 01:39:52,880 directions in front of you. There's two 906 01:39:52,880 --> 01:39:54,400 directions. It's pretty obvious what the 907 01:39:54,400 --> 01:39:56,080 sentiment in the room is is to move the 908 01:39:56,080 --> 01:39:59,679 first direction uh related to declaring 909 01:39:59,679 --> 01:40:02,320 the soliciting expressions of interest 910 01:40:02,320 --> 01:40:04,080 and returning back in eight weeks and 911 01:40:04,080 --> 01:40:05,760 the CEO would be delegated to move 912 01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:08,719 forward on the 913 01:40:08,719 --> 01:40:11,840 comes back. 914 01:40:11,840 --> 01:40:13,760 >> I I so move but I'd like to make an 915 01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:15,920 amendment to that if I may. 916 01:40:15,920 --> 01:40:17,199 >> Sorry I don't even have a movement 917 01:40:17,199 --> 01:40:20,480 second yet. Councelor Vanderberg. 918 01:40:20,480 --> 01:40:22,800 Councelor Secer, Councelor Kellner. Go 919 01:40:22,800 --> 01:40:24,560 ahead, please. Councelor Burl and then 920 01:40:24,560 --> 01:40:25,199 councelor [clears throat] Sorry, 921 01:40:25,199 --> 01:40:27,040 Councelor Gillston. Councelor Burl. 922 01:40:27,040 --> 01:40:28,639 >> Yes. I'd like to make an amendment to 923 01:40:28,639 --> 01:40:31,360 that because uh listening to the legal 924 01:40:31,360 --> 01:40:34,880 uh council um had difficulty with four 925 01:40:34,880 --> 01:40:37,280 weeks, but I did not hear any difficulty 926 01:40:37,280 --> 01:40:41,199 with six weeks. So if we could uh reduce 927 01:40:41,199 --> 01:40:44,719 that to six weeks and uh again going 928 01:40:44,719 --> 01:40:48,800 back council is not obligated to um 929 01:40:48,800 --> 01:40:51,840 accept the highest submission. Indeed 930 01:40:51,840 --> 01:40:54,639 council doesn't have to accept any EOI 931 01:40:54,639 --> 01:40:56,480 that comes forward other than the 932 01:40:56,480 --> 01:40:58,880 preferred candidate. So 933 01:40:58,880 --> 01:41:00,480 >> I'll simply ask the mover and second if 934 01:41:00,480 --> 01:41:02,239 they would accept that as a friendly 935 01:41:02,239 --> 01:41:04,320 amendment. Accepted. Accepted. Okay. 936 01:41:04,320 --> 01:41:05,520 Thank you. So that doesn't need an 937 01:41:05,520 --> 01:41:07,600 amendment to it. Okay. Let's deal with 938 01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:10,800 question. All those in favor. 939 01:41:10,800 --> 01:41:15,430 That's unanimous. Thank you everyone. 940 01:41:15,440 --> 01:41:20,229 Back to C. [applause] 941 01:41:20,239 --> 01:41:22,639 Okay. The clerk's being the clerk which 942 01:41:22,639 --> 01:41:24,960 is her job. 943 01:41:24,960 --> 01:41:26,560 I understood the motion would come back 944 01:41:26,560 --> 01:41:28,400 at the end of eight weeks and the CEO 945 01:41:28,400 --> 01:41:30,400 would have delegated authority to move 946 01:41:30,400 --> 01:41:38,070 forward with the main society. 947 01:41:38,080 --> 01:41:40,560 That's understood. All right, moving on. 948 01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:42,800 We have 949 01:41:42,800 --> 01:41:43,920 >> I'm sorry. 950 01:41:43,920 --> 01:41:44,800 >> Yeah, 951 01:41:44,800 --> 01:41:45,920 >> six weeks. Yes. 952 01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:48,560 >> Okay. Can we move on to the next 953 01:41:48,560 --> 01:41:51,440 delegation then, please? 954 01:41:51,440 --> 01:41:53,440 And that is Emily Grant and Christian 955 01:41:53,440 --> 01:41:56,639 Eddie related to uh an issue with a 956 01:41:56,639 --> 01:42:05,750 basketball net. 957 01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:07,600 Um, can I ask permission that the boys 958 01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:09,840 show photos of what we're talking about 959 01:42:09,840 --> 01:42:11,440 as we talk about it? 960 01:42:11,440 --> 01:42:13,760 >> Okay, that's fine. Um, can you give them 961 01:42:13,760 --> 01:42:15,760 to the clerk or you're going to do it up 962 01:42:15,760 --> 01:42:16,159 there? 963 01:42:16,159 --> 01:42:17,600 >> If you'd prefer that, 964 01:42:17,600 --> 01:42:19,520 >> whatever is the public can see. I think 965 01:42:19,520 --> 01:42:24,390 that's important. 966 01:42:24,400 --> 01:42:27,760 » And I have um petitions that we did. So, 967 01:42:27,760 --> 01:42:30,080 this is over 30 signatures. And if you 968 01:42:30,080 --> 01:42:34,870 could present that to the clerk, 969 01:42:34,880 --> 01:42:37,040 » I can I can also tell you I we tried to 970 01:42:37,040 --> 01:42:38,880 find every which way to have you not 971 01:42:38,880 --> 01:42:40,480 come to council, 972 01:42:40,480 --> 01:42:42,080 >> but I appreciate that we could not do 973 01:42:42,080 --> 01:42:44,000 that. So, please tell us the story. 974 01:42:44,000 --> 01:42:46,800 >> Okay. Uh good afternoon. We're here to 975 01:42:46,800 --> 01:42:48,639 speak on behalf of the families, kids, 976 01:42:48,639 --> 01:42:50,080 and residents of our neighborhood 977 01:42:50,080 --> 01:42:51,440 regarding a notice to remove a 978 01:42:51,440 --> 01:42:52,880 basketball net from our boulevard 979 01:42:52,880 --> 01:42:56,000 located at 2425 Diane Drive. However, it 980 01:42:56,000 --> 01:42:58,080 is on the West Grove side. We are on a 981 01:42:58,080 --> 01:43:00,719 corner. We understand that this issue 982 01:43:00,719 --> 01:43:02,320 was sparked by a single neighbor's 983 01:43:02,320 --> 01:43:04,719 complaint. While we fully respect all of 984 01:43:04,719 --> 01:43:06,320 our neighbors, we believe ordering the 985 01:43:06,320 --> 01:43:08,239 removal of this net penalizes the 986 01:43:08,239 --> 01:43:09,760 neighborhood youth. It removes a 987 01:43:09,760 --> 01:43:11,920 healthy, safe, and positive outlook 988 01:43:11,920 --> 01:43:14,639 outlet for our children. To show you 989 01:43:14,639 --> 01:43:16,080 just how much our neighborhood values 990 01:43:16,080 --> 01:43:18,000 this space, we are proud to present a 991 01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:19,920 petition to today with over 30 992 01:43:19,920 --> 01:43:21,440 signatures from residents in our 993 01:43:21,440 --> 01:43:23,840 neighborhood. And those are all from 994 01:43:23,840 --> 01:43:26,880 separate homes, taxpayers. These are the 995 01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:28,480 homeowners who live near the net, who 996 01:43:28,480 --> 01:43:30,000 hear the games, and who see the kids 997 01:43:30,000 --> 01:43:32,080 every day. By an overwhelming majority, 998 01:43:32,080 --> 01:43:33,760 the taxpayers in our street want this 999 01:43:33,760 --> 01:43:36,560 basketball net to stay. As my boys and I 1000 01:43:36,560 --> 01:43:38,560 knocked on doors this past weekend, we 1001 01:43:38,560 --> 01:43:40,320 were so heartened by the response from 1002 01:43:40,320 --> 01:43:42,080 our neighbors who offered to come to 1003 01:43:42,080 --> 01:43:44,560 today's meeting with signs, told us how 1004 01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:46,480 much they love watching the kids play, 1005 01:43:46,480 --> 01:43:48,880 and felt genuinely confused that anyone 1006 01:43:48,880 --> 01:43:51,119 would want the net removed. Our 1007 01:43:51,119 --> 01:43:52,320 neighborhood is already actively 1008 01:43:52,320 --> 01:43:54,320 committed to safety. We have installed 1009 01:43:54,320 --> 01:43:56,639 slow down signs as is shown in the 1010 01:43:56,639 --> 01:43:59,280 photos to alert drivers and to ensure 1011 01:43:59,280 --> 01:44:00,560 our streets remain safe for our 1012 01:44:00,560 --> 01:44:02,400 children. We have also purchased 1013 01:44:02,400 --> 01:44:05,040 portable slowdown turtles that go on the 1014 01:44:05,040 --> 01:44:06,560 street when the net is being used. Also 1015 01:44:06,560 --> 01:44:09,119 in the photos, our Boulevard basketball 1016 01:44:09,119 --> 01:44:10,480 net is more than just the metal that 1017 01:44:10,480 --> 01:44:12,560 it's made of. It is a community hub. It 1018 01:44:12,560 --> 01:44:14,320 is a place where local kids disconnect 1019 01:44:14,320 --> 01:44:17,199 from screens, get fresh air, learn about 1020 01:44:17,199 --> 01:44:19,920 teamwork, sharing, and sportsmanship. 1021 01:44:19,920 --> 01:44:21,600 In a world where we constantly worry 1022 01:44:21,600 --> 01:44:23,280 about youth mental health and screen 1023 01:44:23,280 --> 01:44:25,280 time, this hoop provides an accessible 1024 01:44:25,280 --> 01:44:27,679 solution right outside our doors. Our 1025 01:44:27,679 --> 01:44:29,119 kids have become friends with neighbors 1026 01:44:29,119 --> 01:44:30,560 who they might not otherwise interact 1027 01:44:30,560 --> 01:44:32,880 with. Children of all ages play together 1028 01:44:32,880 --> 01:44:35,280 and everyone is welcome. This community 1029 01:44:35,280 --> 01:44:37,840 building is priceless. Upon a quick 1030 01:44:37,840 --> 01:44:39,440 drive through our ne our immediate 1031 01:44:39,440 --> 01:44:41,840 neighborhood within a few blocks, we 1032 01:44:41,840 --> 01:44:43,440 have identified over 10 portable 1033 01:44:43,440 --> 01:44:45,040 basketball nets that are on boulevards 1034 01:44:45,040 --> 01:44:47,600 or directly on city streets. Again, some 1035 01:44:47,600 --> 01:44:50,239 of those photos are are available there. 1036 01:44:50,239 --> 01:44:51,760 We do not wish to complain about these 1037 01:44:51,760 --> 01:44:53,440 nets and we absolutely want them to stay 1038 01:44:53,440 --> 01:44:55,679 where they are. However, our inground 1039 01:44:55,679 --> 01:44:57,360 basketball net offers more safety 1040 01:44:57,360 --> 01:44:58,880 because it eliminates the tipping 1041 01:44:58,880 --> 01:45:01,600 hazards associated with portable bases. 1042 01:45:01,600 --> 01:45:03,360 Well, portable hoops rely on weighted 1043 01:45:03,360 --> 01:45:05,119 bases that can shift, crack, or leak 1044 01:45:05,119 --> 01:45:07,600 over time. Cemented poles provide rigid 1045 01:45:07,600 --> 01:45:09,920 stability capable of withstanding severe 1046 01:45:09,920 --> 01:45:12,560 wind and aggressive gameplay. And I do 1047 01:45:12,560 --> 01:45:14,080 believe that there are hundreds of these 1048 01:45:14,080 --> 01:45:15,679 portable nets on boulevards throughout 1049 01:45:15,679 --> 01:45:17,760 the city of Sarnia. Um, Brightites Grove 1050 01:45:17,760 --> 01:45:21,600 alone, I think there are more than 50. 1051 01:45:21,600 --> 01:45:23,440 Um, we understand that the city has 1052 01:45:23,440 --> 01:45:25,199 bylaws regarding boulevard encro 1053 01:45:25,199 --> 01:45:27,199 encroachment. However, over a year of 1054 01:45:27,199 --> 01:45:28,639 safety combined with over 30 1055 01:45:28,639 --> 01:45:30,639 neighborhood signatures proves that this 1056 01:45:30,639 --> 01:45:32,560 hoop is a positive asset to Sarnia and 1057 01:45:32,560 --> 01:45:34,960 Brits Grove. We ask council to grant a 1058 01:45:34,960 --> 01:45:37,040 sight specific 1059 01:45:37,040 --> 01:45:39,760 variant or a 60-day conditional trial 1060 01:45:39,760 --> 01:45:41,520 period. Let us prove that active, 1061 01:45:41,520 --> 01:45:43,520 healthy kids and neighborly respect can 1062 01:45:43,520 --> 01:45:46,080 easily coexist. Thanks for your time. 1063 01:45:46,080 --> 01:45:48,320 >> Thank you, councelor Keller. Councelor 1064 01:45:48,320 --> 01:45:50,719 Vanderber. Uh thank you through the 1065 01:45:50,719 --> 01:45:54,639 mayor. Um I wonder if the kids would 1066 01:45:54,639 --> 01:45:56,560 like to say anything. Additionally, 1067 01:45:56,560 --> 01:45:59,280 second of all, um one of the comments 1068 01:45:59,280 --> 01:46:02,239 that I have is is on the street that I 1069 01:46:02,239 --> 01:46:04,480 grew up on, McGee Street near not far 1070 01:46:04,480 --> 01:46:07,520 from Sunri. Um, we didn't have permanent 1071 01:46:07,520 --> 01:46:10,320 basketball nets, but I do understand uh 1072 01:46:10,320 --> 01:46:13,600 we we had those t those ones that tip. 1073 01:46:13,600 --> 01:46:15,679 Uh, but we spent a lot of time on that 1074 01:46:15,679 --> 01:46:18,320 street playing road hockey and and 1075 01:46:18,320 --> 01:46:21,280 things like that. It's it's um the 1076 01:46:21,280 --> 01:46:23,920 traditional Canada I I suppose that that 1077 01:46:23,920 --> 01:46:27,760 many of us remember. So, um, you know, 1078 01:46:27,760 --> 01:46:30,320 to have to have an ingground one that 1079 01:46:30,320 --> 01:46:34,000 won't tip, um, I I certainly hear as a a 1080 01:46:34,000 --> 01:46:38,800 safety precaution. And and, uh, what we 1081 01:46:38,800 --> 01:46:41,679 should be looking for is reasons why, in 1082 01:46:41,679 --> 01:46:45,199 my opinion, um, people want to hang out 1083 01:46:45,199 --> 01:46:47,119 in their own neighborhoods and find 1084 01:46:47,119 --> 01:46:50,159 their own, uh, space and and connect 1085 01:46:50,159 --> 01:46:52,639 with people in healthy ways. 1086 01:46:52,639 --> 01:46:56,560 uh we're just on the cusp, you know, the end of the World Cup and we've seen 1087 01:46:56,560 --> 01:46:59,840 that for the last what couple months. Um 1088 01:46:59,840 --> 01:47:02,239 so I I just wanted wanted to also wonder 1089 01:47:02,239 --> 01:47:04,239 if anybody else in your family wanted to 1090 01:47:04,239 --> 01:47:06,880 speak, but also just to share a little 1091 01:47:06,880 --> 01:47:10,080 bit of support for what you're what 1092 01:47:10,080 --> 01:47:11,920 you're suggesting. 1093 01:47:11,920 --> 01:47:14,080 >> I'm really sad that we would have to 1094 01:47:14,080 --> 01:47:16,800 take down our basketball net. We love 1095 01:47:16,800 --> 01:47:18,560 playing out there with friends and 1096 01:47:18,560 --> 01:47:21,600 neighbors. Please let us keep it up for 1097 01:47:21,600 --> 01:47:24,480 everyone. Even adults come and play. 1098 01:47:24,480 --> 01:47:25,920 Thank you, Grant. 1099 01:47:25,920 --> 01:47:27,440 >> Thank you. 1100 01:47:27,440 --> 01:47:29,040 >> All right. Thank you very much for your 1101 01:47:29,040 --> 01:47:31,440 presentation. Um you you have this 1102 01:47:31,440 --> 01:47:32,800 request or the only suggestion I'd make 1103 01:47:32,800 --> 01:47:33,840 to you if you're going to make it a 1104 01:47:33,840 --> 01:47:37,199 trial period. Make it at least a year. 1105 01:47:37,199 --> 01:47:40,000 >> Council wants to move forward on this. 1106 01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:41,840 >> Vanderberg, uh I just wanted to say you 1107 01:47:41,840 --> 01:47:43,760 worship uh they're not in the basement 1108 01:47:43,760 --> 01:47:45,360 playing video games. They're out in the 1109 01:47:45,360 --> 01:47:46,719 street. They're getting exercise. 1110 01:47:46,719 --> 01:47:48,000 They're meeting with their their 1111 01:47:48,000 --> 01:47:50,960 friends. Um, I live near Newton Park. 1112 01:47:50,960 --> 01:47:53,600 There's two basketball nets within a 1113 01:47:53,600 --> 01:47:55,760 stones throw of my house. Plus, they at 1114 01:47:55,760 --> 01:47:57,520 the Newton Park and the kids are in 1115 01:47:57,520 --> 01:47:59,360 there playing all the time. You know, 1116 01:47:59,360 --> 01:48:01,119 it's great exercise, great for them, 1117 01:48:01,119 --> 01:48:02,880 great for their friends. I don't even 1118 01:48:02,880 --> 01:48:05,440 think we need a It's like I agree with 1119 01:48:05,440 --> 01:48:07,360 the presenter. There's basketball nets 1120 01:48:07,360 --> 01:48:08,800 all over the city. I don't think we need 1121 01:48:08,800 --> 01:48:12,960 to have a year. I think let them play. 1122 01:48:12,960 --> 01:48:14,080 >> Thank you. 1123 01:48:14,080 --> 01:48:15,760 All right, Councilman 1124 01:48:15,760 --> 01:48:17,040 Roberts. 1125 01:48:17,040 --> 01:48:18,480 I'd just like to add that's a great 1126 01:48:18,480 --> 01:48:20,320 tactic to slow down traffic in the 1127 01:48:20,320 --> 01:48:24,070 neighborhood. 1128 01:48:24,080 --> 01:48:25,280 » Did want to point out the reason the 1129 01:48:25,280 --> 01:48:27,119 bylaw came in I believe was because of 1130 01:48:27,119 --> 01:48:29,465 complaints about McGee Street. 1131 01:48:29,465 --> 01:48:31,040 [laughter] 1132 01:48:31,040 --> 01:48:32,639 >> I just want to me mention that for the 1133 01:48:32,639 --> 01:48:35,669 record. 1134 01:48:35,679 --> 01:48:37,360 But I I have to be fair here that there 1135 01:48:37,360 --> 01:48:39,040 are other issues here. So this is ter 1136 01:48:39,040 --> 01:48:40,639 this a situation we can deal with yours 1137 01:48:40,639 --> 01:48:43,440 and u I look for a motion. Councelor 1138 01:48:43,440 --> 01:48:45,920 Burl, Council McRoberts, moving forward 1139 01:48:45,920 --> 01:48:49,520 with a one-year trial period. Okay. All 1140 01:48:49,520 --> 01:48:52,719 those in favor. That's unanimous. Thank 1141 01:48:52,719 --> 01:48:54,960 you so much. And thank you for coming. 1142 01:48:54,960 --> 01:49:02,149 >> Thank you so much. 1143 01:49:02,159 --> 01:49:03,760 » One more delegation which is the base 1144 01:49:03,760 --> 01:49:29,030 group who's coming forward. 1145 01:49:29,040 --> 01:49:29,920 Please go ahead. 1146 01:49:29,920 --> 01:49:32,345 >> Thank you for all my friends today. 1147 01:49:32,345 --> 01:49:33,760 [laughter] 1148 01:49:33,760 --> 01:49:36,800 Uh hi uh everybody, your worship council 1149 01:49:36,800 --> 01:49:38,639 and Sarnia city staff. I'm here today 1150 01:49:38,639 --> 01:49:41,920 again representing the Sarnia base uh to 1151 01:49:41,920 --> 01:49:44,320 review the project and ideally finalize 1152 01:49:44,320 --> 01:49:46,639 our collaboration. I have with me today 1153 01:49:46,639 --> 01:49:48,880 Ryan Bell, a project lawyer, and Ken 1154 01:49:48,880 --> 01:49:52,080 Mccelpine, our board president. Uh, in 1155 01:49:52,080 --> 01:49:53,520 case there's any questions you have for 1156 01:49:53,520 --> 01:49:55,679 them following the presentation. Next 1157 01:49:55,679 --> 01:49:58,800 slide, please. 1158 01:49:58,800 --> 01:50:01,600 So, in review again, in November, uh, 1159 01:50:01,600 --> 01:50:03,920 3.5 million was approved towards capital 1160 01:50:03,920 --> 01:50:06,080 cost for the SNAbased project in the 1161 01:50:06,080 --> 01:50:08,639 2026 municipal budget. An additional 3 1162 01:50:08,639 --> 01:50:10,880 million was earmarked for land purchase. 1163 01:50:10,880 --> 01:50:12,719 However, the current group graciously 1164 01:50:12,719 --> 01:50:14,960 decided to donate the entire 27 acre 1165 01:50:14,960 --> 01:50:17,119 parcel, which removed the necess uh 1166 01:50:17,119 --> 01:50:18,960 necessity for the $3 million earmarked 1167 01:50:18,960 --> 01:50:21,679 for land purchase. So, in May of 2026, I 1168 01:50:21,679 --> 01:50:24,080 returned to council to approve a fund 1169 01:50:24,080 --> 01:50:25,760 release schedule and reallocate the 1170 01:50:25,760 --> 01:50:27,360 funds that were originally earmarked for 1171 01:50:27,360 --> 01:50:29,119 the land purchase towards development 1172 01:50:29,119 --> 01:50:31,520 and permitting costs. to review. The 1173 01:50:31,520 --> 01:50:34,000 fund release schedule included $7,000 on 1174 01:50:34,000 --> 01:50:35,679 an initial release with the permission 1175 01:50:35,679 --> 01:50:38,000 from the MECP to grant access to the 1176 01:50:38,000 --> 01:50:39,679 land and the remainder of the commitment 1177 01:50:39,679 --> 01:50:42,239 to be released with the building permit. 1178 01:50:42,239 --> 01:50:43,679 With the removal of the need of the 3 1179 01:50:43,679 --> 01:50:45,440 million for land, we wanted the city of 1180 01:50:45,440 --> 01:50:48,080 Sarnia to to reallocate those funds 1181 01:50:48,080 --> 01:50:49,840 towards development permitting cost. To 1182 01:50:49,840 --> 01:50:51,440 be clear, we don't need the city of 1183 01:50:51,440 --> 01:50:54,000 Sarnas to go into debt for those costs 1184 01:50:54,000 --> 01:50:56,000 as those funding that funds would be 1185 01:50:56,000 --> 01:50:59,040 redirected to the city. 1186 01:50:59,040 --> 01:51:01,119 Um, and that's that 2.4 4 million that 1187 01:51:01,119 --> 01:51:04,320 was quoted to us by the city staff. 1188 01:51:04,320 --> 01:51:05,679 We have incorporated as a not for-p 1189 01:51:05,679 --> 01:51:07,679 profofit with associated bank account 1190 01:51:07,679 --> 01:51:09,360 officers and directors insurance, 1191 01:51:09,360 --> 01:51:11,040 applied for charitable status. We've 1192 01:51:11,040 --> 01:51:12,400 consulted with the neighborhood and made 1193 01:51:12,400 --> 01:51:14,080 changes to the plan based on 1194 01:51:14,080 --> 01:51:16,400 neighborhood consultation. Um Robert 1195 01:51:16,400 --> 01:51:18,480 Dale and Associates continues to work 1196 01:51:18,480 --> 01:51:20,239 with city staff on the site plan and 1197 01:51:20,239 --> 01:51:22,480 update it. Uh traffic study has 1198 01:51:22,480 --> 01:51:24,000 commenced. We've prepared a report for 1199 01:51:24,000 --> 01:51:26,239 the MECP. We've secured funding 1200 01:51:26,239 --> 01:51:27,840 commitments of $1 million a piece from 1201 01:51:27,840 --> 01:51:29,040 the Mike Weir Foundation and the 1202 01:51:29,040 --> 01:51:31,040 Lockwood Foundation. We're preparing a 1203 01:51:31,040 --> 01:51:33,199 capital campaign which we would love to 1204 01:51:33,199 --> 01:51:34,560 release finalizing after the 1205 01:51:34,560 --> 01:51:38,000 finalization of our agreement. And uh we 1206 01:51:38,000 --> 01:51:39,520 continue to in the meantime we continue 1207 01:51:39,520 --> 01:51:41,440 to pursue pursue additional provincial 1208 01:51:41,440 --> 01:51:44,159 and federal grants. We think the city 1209 01:51:44,159 --> 01:51:46,800 solicitor and general manager of 1210 01:51:46,800 --> 01:51:48,000 corporate services have done a 1211 01:51:48,000 --> 01:51:50,960 phenomenal job uh preparing the report 1212 01:51:50,960 --> 01:51:53,760 supplied to you on July 20th uh that 1213 01:51:53,760 --> 01:51:55,040 included all the provisions that you 1214 01:51:55,040 --> 01:51:57,440 have mentioned to date uh from yourself 1215 01:51:57,440 --> 01:52:00,080 council and city staff uh which include 1216 01:52:00,080 --> 01:52:01,440 things like city oversight within the 1217 01:52:01,440 --> 01:52:03,440 governance structure uh ensuring that 1218 01:52:03,440 --> 01:52:05,040 the funding is city approved 1219 01:52:05,040 --> 01:52:07,040 expenditures uh there's transparent 1220 01:52:07,040 --> 01:52:09,040 reporting across the whole project and 1221 01:52:09,040 --> 01:52:10,800 legal counsel continues to be engaged on 1222 01:52:10,800 --> 01:52:15,669 both sides. Next slide please. 1223 01:52:15,679 --> 01:52:18,000 So just to be really clear on the 1224 01:52:18,000 --> 01:52:19,679 corporate development structure and 1225 01:52:19,679 --> 01:52:22,560 overall governance structure, uh we have 1226 01:52:22,560 --> 01:52:24,320 project managers and operations managers 1227 01:52:24,320 --> 01:52:26,000 in place, construction managers, 1228 01:52:26,000 --> 01:52:28,400 engineering managers, civil engineers, 1229 01:52:28,400 --> 01:52:31,040 surveyors, architects, traffic studies, 1230 01:52:31,040 --> 01:52:32,719 dome specialists, landscaping, 1231 01:52:32,719 --> 01:52:34,960 geotechnical. We've done all of this 1232 01:52:34,960 --> 01:52:36,960 work behind the scenes including 1233 01:52:36,960 --> 01:52:38,880 creating a development team comprised of 1234 01:52:38,880 --> 01:52:40,719 the blue water cycling organization, 1235 01:52:40,719 --> 01:52:42,400 Sarnney tennis club, Sarnne football 1236 01:52:42,400 --> 01:52:43,840 club, Sarnney Lect and Pickleball and 1237 01:52:43,840 --> 01:52:45,599 Twin Bridges volleyball with the point 1238 01:52:45,599 --> 01:52:47,840 being to inform the programming that is 1239 01:52:47,840 --> 01:52:49,440 offered to all community members at the 1240 01:52:49,440 --> 01:52:51,119 Sarnia base to make sure that 1241 01:52:51,119 --> 01:52:53,360 programming best meets the needs of 1242 01:52:53,360 --> 01:52:55,360 people accessing programming of that 1243 01:52:55,360 --> 01:52:56,960 kind. 1244 01:52:56,960 --> 01:52:59,280 Uh above this development structure 1245 01:52:59,280 --> 01:53:01,199 would be the Sarna base board. Next 1246 01:53:01,199 --> 01:53:03,440 slide please. 1247 01:53:03,440 --> 01:53:04,960 And that is where we would love for the 1248 01:53:04,960 --> 01:53:06,960 city of Sarnia to exist. We would 1249 01:53:06,960 --> 01:53:08,880 welcome a member of city of Sarnia staff 1250 01:53:08,880 --> 01:53:12,560 or council on the Sarna base board. Next 1251 01:53:12,560 --> 01:53:16,550 slide, please. 1252 01:53:16,560 --> 01:53:18,080 What we're asking council to approve 1253 01:53:18,080 --> 01:53:20,800 today is to allow city staff to finalize 1254 01:53:20,800 --> 01:53:22,800 an agreement with the Sarnia base. This 1255 01:53:22,800 --> 01:53:24,719 would include the already approved fund 1256 01:53:24,719 --> 01:53:26,719 release schedule for city commitment for 1257 01:53:26,719 --> 01:53:28,560 the city commitment that was discussed 1258 01:53:28,560 --> 01:53:31,280 when I presented in May. That funding 1259 01:53:31,280 --> 01:53:32,960 would only be dispersed against approved 1260 01:53:32,960 --> 01:53:35,360 line items by the city. It would include 1261 01:53:35,360 --> 01:53:37,040 all the provisions requested by the city 1262 01:53:37,040 --> 01:53:38,560 staff and council that were overviewed 1263 01:53:38,560 --> 01:53:41,360 in the July 20th report provided to city 1264 01:53:41,360 --> 01:53:43,679 council. It would ensure the Sarnia base 1265 01:53:43,679 --> 01:53:46,159 can maintain the proposed timeline would 1266 01:53:46,159 --> 01:53:47,920 allow city of Sarnia to develop on 1267 01:53:47,920 --> 01:53:50,400 clearly to deliver on clearly identified 1268 01:53:50,400 --> 01:53:53,119 needs uncovered in the 2022 feasibility 1269 01:53:53,119 --> 01:53:56,639 study. And I want to uh impress upon you 1270 01:53:56,639 --> 01:53:58,480 that that need is only continuing to 1271 01:53:58,480 --> 01:54:00,480 grow. the heat advisories this summer 1272 01:54:00,480 --> 01:54:02,159 and just last week with the air quality 1273 01:54:02,159 --> 01:54:05,040 concerns, the need for indoor sport and 1274 01:54:05,040 --> 01:54:07,119 recreation infrastructure is never been 1275 01:54:07,119 --> 01:54:09,360 greater in our community or across 1276 01:54:09,360 --> 01:54:13,119 Canada to be honest. Um, this allows for 1277 01:54:13,119 --> 01:54:14,880 the city of Sarnney to also deliver on 1278 01:54:14,880 --> 01:54:16,480 their vision within their own strategic 1279 01:54:16,480 --> 01:54:18,880 plan at a far less lesser cost to 1280 01:54:18,880 --> 01:54:20,480 taxpayers than what it would be if you 1281 01:54:20,480 --> 01:54:23,119 were to embark on it yourselves. I want 1282 01:54:23,119 --> 01:54:25,119 to just note on page 13 of the city of 1283 01:54:25,119 --> 01:54:28,480 Sarnia's 2024 strategic plan, strategic 1284 01:54:28,480 --> 01:54:29,920 priorities that were outlined include 1285 01:54:29,920 --> 01:54:32,480 asset management, community well-being, 1286 01:54:32,480 --> 01:54:35,040 and economic resilience. All things 1287 01:54:35,040 --> 01:54:37,119 working with the Sarnney base can help 1288 01:54:37,119 --> 01:54:41,199 the city of Sarnia to uh deliver on 1289 01:54:41,199 --> 01:54:44,239 our community. Um also gains a 1290 01:54:44,239 --> 01:54:45,679 proincially and nationally recognized 1291 01:54:45,679 --> 01:54:47,360 sport and recreation community center 1292 01:54:47,360 --> 01:54:49,280 that improves our community wellness and 1293 01:54:49,280 --> 01:54:52,159 boosts our economy annually. Our 1294 01:54:52,159 --> 01:54:54,320 community actually risks far greater by 1295 01:54:54,320 --> 01:54:56,880 not finalizing our collaboration. Next 1296 01:54:56,880 --> 01:54:59,599 slide, please. 1297 01:54:59,599 --> 01:55:02,159 The current group has created generously 1298 01:55:02,159 --> 01:55:04,080 created a space for this to exist on a 1299 01:55:04,080 --> 01:55:06,400 27 acre parcel that's mid city and 1300 01:55:06,400 --> 01:55:07,679 easily accessible by active 1301 01:55:07,679 --> 01:55:10,239 transportation. We have put together a 1302 01:55:10,239 --> 01:55:12,400 tremendous amount of community citizens 1303 01:55:12,400 --> 01:55:14,800 that have collective expertise to ensure 1304 01:55:14,800 --> 01:55:17,199 that the SNA base is realized and we 1305 01:55:17,199 --> 01:55:19,280 just need the city of Sarnia to finalize 1306 01:55:19,280 --> 01:55:21,599 the agreement to for our collective 1307 01:55:21,599 --> 01:55:23,679 effort to uplift our community. I'll 1308 01:55:23,679 --> 01:55:26,320 leave you with this. On page 38 of the 1309 01:55:26,320 --> 01:55:29,119 2025 city of Sarnia economic development 1310 01:55:29,119 --> 01:55:31,679 master plan, three economic 1311 01:55:31,679 --> 01:55:34,639 opportunities to be prioritized were new 1312 01:55:34,639 --> 01:55:36,719 business attraction, tourism 1313 01:55:36,719 --> 01:55:38,960 development, and reframing Sarnia's 1314 01:55:38,960 --> 01:55:40,560 image. 1315 01:55:40,560 --> 01:55:43,360 A direct quote, over the next 10 years, 1316 01:55:43,360 --> 01:55:45,360 improving Sarnia's image and perception 1317 01:55:45,360 --> 01:55:47,440 will be critical to fostering economic 1318 01:55:47,440 --> 01:55:49,440 growth, attracting visitors, and growing 1319 01:55:49,440 --> 01:55:51,520 the population. 1320 01:55:51,520 --> 01:55:54,159 By collaborating, we can help city of 1321 01:55:54,159 --> 01:55:56,719 Sarnney to be recognized as a hub for 1322 01:55:56,719 --> 01:55:58,560 health and wellness and a place where 1323 01:55:58,560 --> 01:56:01,440 people come to engage in sport at all 1324 01:56:01,440 --> 01:56:03,360 levels. And this is a place for all 1325 01:56:03,360 --> 01:56:06,000 ages, all community members. And we're 1326 01:56:06,000 --> 01:56:07,840 really excited to hopefully move 1327 01:56:07,840 --> 01:56:09,679 forward. Thank you for your time today 1328 01:56:09,679 --> 01:56:11,119 and we welcome any questions. 1329 01:56:11,119 --> 01:56:13,840 >> Well, thank you for your presentation. 1330 01:56:13,840 --> 01:56:15,520 There are four key points in the staff 1331 01:56:15,520 --> 01:56:17,119 report. 1332 01:56:17,119 --> 01:56:18,719 Stretch, scope, and design. We don't 1333 01:56:18,719 --> 01:56:20,960 have the answers. project costing and fi 1334 01:56:20,960 --> 01:56:23,440 financial validation, funding certainty, 1335 01:56:23,440 --> 01:56:25,040 operations and long-term stability. 1336 01:56:25,040 --> 01:56:27,440 They're the key four points there. And 1337 01:56:27,440 --> 01:56:29,440 I'm not opposed to your project, but I 1338 01:56:29,440 --> 01:56:30,960 would like to see all those addressed 1339 01:56:30,960 --> 01:56:34,239 before we start sending money our way. 1340 01:56:34,239 --> 01:56:37,040 >> Uh thank you uh your worship. That's 1341 01:56:37,040 --> 01:56:39,679 exactly why we're here today. The uh 1342 01:56:39,679 --> 01:56:41,119 delegation today is not for the release 1343 01:56:41,119 --> 01:56:43,840 of funding. It's for the agreement to be 1344 01:56:43,840 --> 01:56:46,080 finalized. So all of the items mentioned 1345 01:56:46,080 --> 01:56:47,760 in the report would have to be in the 1346 01:56:47,760 --> 01:56:49,920 agreement in order for the funding to be 1347 01:56:49,920 --> 01:56:51,199 released. That's what we're asking to be 1348 01:56:51,199 --> 01:56:53,920 approved today. Um is for the funding 1349 01:56:53,920 --> 01:56:56,880 release agreement for city council to 1350 01:56:56,880 --> 01:56:58,719 approve city staff to finalize that 1351 01:56:58,719 --> 01:57:00,320 agreement including the provisions that 1352 01:57:00,320 --> 01:57:01,679 were mentioned in that report 1353 01:57:01,679 --> 01:57:03,119 >> and that would all have to come back to 1354 01:57:03,119 --> 01:57:04,560 council. 1355 01:57:04,560 --> 01:57:08,639 >> Uh that's uh city council decision. 1356 01:57:08,639 --> 01:57:10,639 >> Questions? Not seeing any. Thank you 1357 01:57:10,639 --> 01:57:12,960 very much for your presentation. 1358 01:57:12,960 --> 01:57:15,760 Council, well, I need we need direction 1359 01:57:15,760 --> 01:57:18,080 to to move forward on this. 1360 01:57:18,080 --> 01:57:19,360 >> Thank you very much. You can stand. 1361 01:57:19,360 --> 01:57:20,639 Sorry, councelor White. 1362 01:57:20,639 --> 01:57:22,239 >> Then I would move that we move forward 1363 01:57:22,239 --> 01:57:23,599 with the uh agreement. 1364 01:57:23,599 --> 01:57:25,280 >> You can stand down now. We're here. 1365 01:57:25,280 --> 01:57:26,719 >> I would move that we move forward with 1366 01:57:26,719 --> 01:57:29,280 the agreement with the uh the issues 1367 01:57:29,280 --> 01:57:31,199 addressed included in that so that we 1368 01:57:31,199 --> 01:57:33,199 can proceed with the next steps and and 1369 01:57:33,199 --> 01:57:35,199 get on with uh the next phase of this 1370 01:57:35,199 --> 01:57:35,840 development. 1371 01:57:35,840 --> 01:57:37,520 >> Councelor Vandenberg, as a as a second 1372 01:57:37,520 --> 01:57:38,880 or so, you would that would be the key 1373 01:57:38,880 --> 01:57:41,920 four bullet points. Okay. Thank you. Any 1374 01:57:41,920 --> 01:57:45,440 further discussion? All in favor? That's 1375 01:57:45,440 --> 01:57:47,679 done. Thank you. That was unanimous, by 1376 01:57:47,679 --> 01:57:49,520 the way. All right. Thank you. We're now 1377 01:57:49,520 --> 01:57:52,239 through the delegations. 1378 01:57:52,239 --> 01:57:55,840 We can move into the regular business. 1379 01:57:55,840 --> 01:57:57,199 Got a report from the underrip 1380 01:57:57,199 --> 01:57:58,800 committee. Councelor White, do you want 1381 01:57:58,800 --> 01:58:01,280 to move that 1382 01:58:01,280 --> 01:58:03,679 secondary? 1383 01:58:03,679 --> 01:58:07,360 Councelor Vanderberg. Any discussion? 1384 01:58:07,360 --> 01:58:10,719 Not seeing any. All those in favor? 1385 01:58:10,719 --> 01:58:12,719 That's passed. 1386 01:58:12,719 --> 01:58:15,679 Next one is to authorize which has been 1387 01:58:15,679 --> 01:58:17,360 standard in the past the a bylaw to 1388 01:58:17,360 --> 01:58:18,800 temporarily delegate powers and duties 1389 01:58:18,800 --> 01:58:22,239 council to the CEO with limitations. 1390 01:58:22,239 --> 01:58:23,280 Council 1391 01:58:23,280 --> 01:58:26,480 >> we're on number two council bro 1392 01:58:26,480 --> 01:58:28,800 moved and seconded. 1393 01:58:28,800 --> 01:58:31,679 All those in favor that is done. Thank 1394 01:58:31,679 --> 01:58:33,520 you. 1395 01:58:33,520 --> 01:58:37,760 Uh on to the green bin issue and moving 1396 01:58:37,760 --> 01:58:41,669 forward on that. Councelor McRoberts, 1397 01:58:41,679 --> 01:58:43,760 » would it be possible that we delay this 1398 01:58:43,760 --> 01:58:46,080 by one year? I understand that it's 1399 01:58:46,080 --> 01:58:48,719 something that's great, but one year 1400 01:58:48,719 --> 01:58:52,080 just for the funding like can we just 1401 01:58:52,080 --> 01:58:53,599 worry about what we're going to what the 1402 01:58:53,599 --> 01:58:54,960 next council is going to deal with 1403 01:58:54,960 --> 01:58:57,199 budget and this is just one more cost 1404 01:58:57,199 --> 01:59:00,320 that could be delayed. I'd like to make 1405 01:59:00,320 --> 01:59:02,960 that a motion if I could. If you 1406 01:59:02,960 --> 01:59:04,560 seceded, 1407 01:59:04,560 --> 01:59:06,560 but I also want to ask I've asked this 1408 01:59:06,560 --> 01:59:08,960 question many times here on this 1409 01:59:08,960 --> 01:59:10,639 project. 1410 01:59:10,639 --> 01:59:13,599 I've already put a tender. Okay. Please 1411 01:59:13,599 --> 01:59:14,719 speak to Mr. Jackson. 1412 01:59:14,719 --> 01:59:16,239 >> Uh 30 minute council. Yes, the 1413 01:59:16,239 --> 01:59:17,520 provincial policy statement. We are 1414 01:59:17,520 --> 01:59:19,119 supposed to have our program in place 1415 01:59:19,119 --> 01:59:21,360 January 2025. Uh we are behind that 1416 01:59:21,360 --> 01:59:24,480 timeline. Um but uh you know council can 1417 01:59:24,480 --> 01:59:25,920 direct us to delay it. We have already 1418 01:59:25,920 --> 01:59:27,840 awarded the processing contract and the 1419 01:59:27,840 --> 01:59:29,920 curbside collection contracts. Um, so if 1420 01:59:29,920 --> 01:59:31,440 we delay it, we would have to go back to 1421 01:59:31,440 --> 01:59:33,599 those uh contractors to see if we could 1422 01:59:33,599 --> 01:59:35,280 negotiate if there's any impact on that 1423 01:59:35,280 --> 01:59:37,520 delay. And so I can't uh provide that 1424 01:59:37,520 --> 01:59:40,400 answer here today. Um, I think it is 1425 01:59:40,400 --> 01:59:41,760 possible, but we would have to have 1426 01:59:41,760 --> 01:59:45,280 those negotiations first. 1427 01:59:45,280 --> 01:59:47,440 >> Read for councelor Burl. 1428 01:59:47,440 --> 01:59:50,960 >> The motion on that floor is to approve. 1429 01:59:50,960 --> 01:59:52,480 >> Is that the motion or is there any 1430 01:59:52,480 --> 01:59:55,119 >> I'm reading as to delay it for a year. 1431 01:59:55,119 --> 01:59:56,080 Is 1432 01:59:56,080 --> 01:59:58,639 >> I will speak against delaying it. I 1433 01:59:58,639 --> 02:00:01,760 think we've got the other two parts in 1434 02:00:01,760 --> 02:00:04,080 place. We're just going to end up having 1435 02:00:04,080 --> 02:00:05,840 to pay those people money for doing 1436 02:00:05,840 --> 02:00:09,440 nothing. Um, we have this contract in 1437 02:00:09,440 --> 02:00:13,840 place. There's a possibility that 1438 02:00:13,840 --> 02:00:16,239 we would have to 1439 02:00:16,239 --> 02:00:19,679 pay more next year perhaps for this even 1440 02:00:19,679 --> 02:00:22,159 this leg of it. So I think you know 1441 02:00:22,159 --> 02:00:26,080 we're to me we're too far along in this 1442 02:00:26,080 --> 02:00:29,360 process to back out at this point. So I 1443 02:00:29,360 --> 02:00:31,599 would not 1444 02:00:31,599 --> 02:00:34,320 approve this uh to delay it and then I 1445 02:00:34,320 --> 02:00:37,199 would if that fails then I would move 1446 02:00:37,199 --> 02:00:38,719 that we go ahead with it. 1447 02:00:38,719 --> 02:00:40,719 >> Thank you council Roberts. Councelor 1448 02:00:40,719 --> 02:00:41,280 White 1449 02:00:41,280 --> 02:00:43,199 >> could we ask staff to give us specifics 1450 02:00:43,199 --> 02:00:47,040 if there would be costs for that? 1451 02:00:47,040 --> 02:00:48,639 >> Uh third mayor council. So that's where 1452 02:00:48,639 --> 02:00:50,000 we'd have to negotiate. So, we have 1453 02:00:50,000 --> 02:00:51,520 entered into the agreements that the the 1454 02:00:51,520 --> 02:00:53,440 new contracts will be starting next 1455 02:00:53,440 --> 02:00:55,440 spring um that include the the organic 1456 02:00:55,440 --> 02:00:57,199 curbside collection. Um so, that's the 1457 02:00:57,199 --> 02:00:58,320 piece where we'd have to go back to 1458 02:00:58,320 --> 02:01:00,320 those various contractors and and see if 1459 02:01:00,320 --> 02:01:02,000 they'd be willing to modify that start 1460 02:01:02,000 --> 02:01:04,239 date or not. And so, I can't provide a a 1461 02:01:04,239 --> 02:01:05,920 certain answer on the financial impacts 1462 02:01:05,920 --> 02:01:07,119 of that here today. 1463 02:01:07,119 --> 02:01:08,480 >> Those directions were provided by 1464 02:01:08,480 --> 02:01:09,280 council. Correct. 1465 02:01:09,280 --> 02:01:10,480 >> Correct. 1466 02:01:10,480 --> 02:01:12,480 >> I'll call the question probably the best 1467 02:01:12,480 --> 02:01:13,760 council Mike. Sorry. 1468 02:01:13,760 --> 02:01:15,440 >> Uh yeah, thank you. And I'll I'll I'll 1469 02:01:15,440 --> 02:01:17,119 be voting against the motion as well. 1470 02:01:17,119 --> 02:01:19,840 It's just uh again we're we're talking 1471 02:01:19,840 --> 02:01:22,159 about making commitments. We are 1472 02:01:22,159 --> 02:01:23,920 proincially mandated to make in this 1473 02:01:23,920 --> 02:01:26,000 case and then 1474 02:01:26,000 --> 02:01:29,199 changing our mind again. Um I just I 1475 02:01:29,199 --> 02:01:32,960 think that's just a dangerous road to walk 1476 02:01:32,960 --> 02:01:35,920 down. Um number one and number two we're 1477 02:01:35,920 --> 02:01:38,320 delaying any savings potentially from 1478 02:01:38,320 --> 02:01:41,040 the other service that we provide which 1479 02:01:41,040 --> 02:01:44,159 is uh our waste disposal because uh a 1480 02:01:44,159 --> 02:01:46,560 good portion of what we're talking about 1481 02:01:46,560 --> 02:01:49,440 um for the green program is actually 1482 02:01:49,440 --> 02:01:52,080 currently being uh paid for through the 1483 02:01:52,080 --> 02:01:54,639 waste uh management program that we 1484 02:01:54,639 --> 02:01:56,880 have. So curbside pickup of waste from 1485 02:01:56,880 --> 02:01:59,440 one to the other uh is an offsetting 1486 02:01:59,440 --> 02:02:01,280 cost at the end of the day and that was 1487 02:02:01,280 --> 02:02:03,840 in that other contract as well. Um that 1488 02:02:03,840 --> 02:02:06,560 we would see some potential savings uh 1489 02:02:06,560 --> 02:02:08,000 by transferring some of what we're 1490 02:02:08,000 --> 02:02:10,480 paying for with one service to the 1491 02:02:10,480 --> 02:02:12,800 other. So I'm not sure it's a total 1492 02:02:12,800 --> 02:02:14,639 savings over the next year that that we 1493 02:02:14,639 --> 02:02:16,080 would be realizing here. And I think 1494 02:02:16,080 --> 02:02:18,800 it's time that we I don't know catch up 1495 02:02:18,800 --> 02:02:22,239 to Nova Scotia from 25 years ago who's 1496 02:02:22,239 --> 02:02:26,880 had curbside green bin service etc. 1497 02:02:26,880 --> 02:02:29,360 >> A question people on city council may 1498 02:02:29,360 --> 02:02:31,280 not know the county is giving us a 1499 02:02:31,280 --> 02:02:32,960 credit are they not? 1500 02:02:32,960 --> 02:02:34,960 >> Uh mayor council. Yes. So the count 1501 02:02:34,960 --> 02:02:37,679 county recently approved um that the the 1502 02:02:37,679 --> 02:02:39,679 waste we offset so the waste that is in 1503 02:02:39,679 --> 02:02:41,360 our green waste now that goes to the 1504 02:02:41,360 --> 02:02:44,000 landfill the amount we offset from that 1505 02:02:44,000 --> 02:02:46,000 we will see the savings uh that they see 1506 02:02:46,000 --> 02:02:47,440 from the landfill. So that's a benefit 1507 02:02:47,440 --> 02:02:48,159 to us. 1508 02:02:48,159 --> 02:02:49,440 >> Let me call the question. I'll record 1509 02:02:49,440 --> 02:02:51,360 the vote. All those in favor of the 1510 02:02:51,360 --> 02:02:54,159 question which is to delay for a year. 1511 02:02:54,159 --> 02:02:55,360 Councelor McRoberts, councelor 1512 02:02:55,360 --> 02:02:58,239 Vandenberg. Those 1513 02:02:58,239 --> 02:03:01,520 opposed, councelor Kelner Burrow, myself 1514 02:03:01,520 --> 02:03:03,760 and White. 1515 02:03:03,760 --> 02:03:05,840 So that failed and councelor Gillis. So 1516 02:03:05,840 --> 02:03:07,199 that failed. Sorry, Councelor Gillis. 1517 02:03:07,199 --> 02:03:11,280 It's always hard to watch on this side. 1518 02:03:11,280 --> 02:03:13,599 >> He was in favor. You're in favor, 1519 02:03:13,599 --> 02:03:15,199 councelor Gillis, of delaying for a 1520 02:03:15,199 --> 02:03:19,669 year. 1521 02:03:19,679 --> 02:03:21,360 » No, your worship. I'm not. 1522 02:03:21,360 --> 02:03:24,560 >> Okay. Thank you. So the vote fails. So 1523 02:03:24,560 --> 02:03:25,920 then I'll look for a contrary motion. 1524 02:03:25,920 --> 02:03:27,199 Councelor Burl. 1525 02:03:27,199 --> 02:03:28,000 >> Yes. 1526 02:03:28,000 --> 02:03:30,320 >> I'll move the recommendation. 1527 02:03:30,320 --> 02:03:31,599 >> Second. Councelor White. 1528 02:03:31,599 --> 02:03:32,320 >> Question. 1529 02:03:32,320 --> 02:03:33,440 >> Go ahead, please. And then councelor 1530 02:03:33,440 --> 02:03:33,920 Keller. 1531 02:03:33,920 --> 02:03:36,480 >> Uh thank you. Um what provisions are in 1532 02:03:36,480 --> 02:03:41,199 place um should uh for the bins to uh be 1533 02:03:41,199 --> 02:03:43,840 replaced if if that should be uh 1534 02:03:43,840 --> 02:03:47,280 necessary. Stuff happens to bins, cars 1535 02:03:47,280 --> 02:03:50,080 drive into them, things happen. Uh are 1536 02:03:50,080 --> 02:03:52,960 we only purchasing enough for the 1537 02:03:52,960 --> 02:03:54,400 customers that we're serving in this 1538 02:03:54,400 --> 02:03:57,520 case? uh or are we um do we have a a 1539 02:03:57,520 --> 02:03:59,440 backup supply and what's the process 1540 02:03:59,440 --> 02:04:01,760 then if somebody needs a bin replaced 1541 02:04:01,760 --> 02:04:03,360 >> uh through M council. So they come with 1542 02:04:03,360 --> 02:04:04,719 a 10-year warranty as part of the 1543 02:04:04,719 --> 02:04:06,880 initial procurement. They do deliver an 1544 02:04:06,880 --> 02:04:08,639 extra let's say 2% so that we have those 1545 02:04:08,639 --> 02:04:10,880 available if something comes up. Um and 1546 02:04:10,880 --> 02:04:12,719 then we will be implementing a plan for 1547 02:04:12,719 --> 02:04:14,639 how uh residents would deal with smaller 1548 02:04:14,639 --> 02:04:16,320 minor repairs. Um but there will be a 1549 02:04:16,320 --> 02:04:17,440 program in place for that. 1550 02:04:17,440 --> 02:04:19,040 >> Council man, 1551 02:04:19,040 --> 02:04:21,119 >> well here's the age-old question. Are 1552 02:04:21,119 --> 02:04:23,119 these bins recyclable or are they going 1553 02:04:23,119 --> 02:04:26,080 to end up in landfills? 1554 02:04:26,080 --> 02:04:27,520 >> Uh through May Council, I do believe the 1555 02:04:27,520 --> 02:04:29,840 bins are recyclable. Uh and also to note 1556 02:04:29,840 --> 02:04:31,679 that the resin to manufacture the bins 1557 02:04:31,679 --> 02:04:35,119 is from uh the local Imperial Oil site. 1558 02:04:35,119 --> 02:04:38,470 >> Okay, 1559 02:04:38,480 --> 02:04:41,040 I'll call the question off. All in 1560 02:04:41,040 --> 02:04:44,950 favor? 1561 02:04:44,960 --> 02:04:46,560 » Same as before, the same vote. Okay, 1562 02:04:46,560 --> 02:04:47,920 recorded. All right, thank you. That 1563 02:04:47,920 --> 02:04:49,440 passed. 1564 02:04:49,440 --> 02:04:52,000 Moving on. uh economic development 1565 02:04:52,000 --> 02:04:53,440 community improvement plan. You had the 1566 02:04:53,440 --> 02:04:55,280 hearing on this and there were some 1567 02:04:55,280 --> 02:04:57,679 minor adjustments. I think there was no 1568 02:04:57,679 --> 02:04:59,599 further feedback on it. Correct. So I'd 1569 02:04:59,599 --> 02:05:01,840 look for a motion to accept it. 1570 02:05:01,840 --> 02:05:04,159 Councelor Burl, councelor White, any 1571 02:05:04,159 --> 02:05:06,320 discussion? Seeing none, all those in 1572 02:05:06,320 --> 02:05:10,080 favor? That is done. Dealt with number 1573 02:05:10,080 --> 02:05:12,719 five, which was the base agreement. And 1574 02:05:12,719 --> 02:05:15,920 then there's some uh minor noise 1575 02:05:15,920 --> 02:05:17,920 exemptions being asked for. Councelor 1576 02:05:17,920 --> 02:05:20,800 McLoberts, Council Burl, all those in 1577 02:05:20,800 --> 02:05:22,320 favor. 1578 02:05:22,320 --> 02:05:24,639 That is done. 1579 02:05:24,639 --> 02:05:26,480 Uh the next one is the Wellington Street 1580 02:05:26,480 --> 02:05:29,520 Extension. It's a huge contract and it's 1581 02:05:29,520 --> 02:05:31,119 being recommended to be awarded. Council 1582 02:05:31,119 --> 02:05:33,520 Burl, Councelor White, all those in 1583 02:05:33,520 --> 02:05:35,679 favor. 1584 02:05:35,679 --> 02:05:39,040 Moving down. Uh this is related to um 1585 02:05:39,040 --> 02:05:40,400 flood mitigation in the Ferris 1586 02:05:40,400 --> 02:05:43,440 subdivision with a recommendation. 1587 02:05:43,440 --> 02:05:46,800 Councelor Burl and Councelor Kelner. All 1588 02:05:46,800 --> 02:05:52,070 those in favor that is done. 1589 02:05:52,080 --> 02:05:53,360 Next one I have a bit more difficulty 1590 02:05:53,360 --> 02:05:56,000 with but um 1591 02:05:56,000 --> 02:05:58,480 number nine is taking 300,000 from the 1592 02:05:58,480 --> 02:06:00,239 building faster fund which awarded us 1593 02:06:00,239 --> 02:06:01,840 for three years in a row exceeding the 1594 02:06:01,840 --> 02:06:05,520 provincial housing t uh targets and to 1595 02:06:05,520 --> 02:06:08,480 award it to a study for that area. 1596 02:06:08,480 --> 02:06:11,760 Councelor Burley, you're moving it 1597 02:06:11,760 --> 02:06:14,400 right. I'm not a realist. I'm a realist. 1598 02:06:14,400 --> 02:06:15,760 We don't really have any other options 1599 02:06:15,760 --> 02:06:18,320 but uh it's unfortunate. 1600 02:06:18,320 --> 02:06:21,840 All those in favor that's done. 1601 02:06:21,840 --> 02:06:25,669 Um 1602 02:06:25,679 --> 02:06:27,520 corporation of the uh well we've 1603 02:06:27,520 --> 02:06:29,679 appointed the people to the uh group 1604 02:06:29,679 --> 02:06:32,560 right the airport. 1605 02:06:32,560 --> 02:06:38,950 So is it oh we need to point Miss Provo. 1606 02:06:38,960 --> 02:06:41,840 » Okay. So I can take the motion uh that's 1607 02:06:41,840 --> 02:06:43,840 here today. It's a quite a lengthy one 1608 02:06:43,840 --> 02:06:45,840 and we'll insert the names of the people 1609 02:06:45,840 --> 02:06:48,639 I just announced out of the in camera 1610 02:06:48,639 --> 02:06:50,480 and also the staff appointment of Miss 1611 02:06:50,480 --> 02:06:52,000 Provo. So that makes sense. If I can 1612 02:06:52,000 --> 02:06:54,239 have someone to move and second that 1613 02:06:54,239 --> 02:06:57,679 Roberts, councelor White, all in favor 1614 02:06:57,679 --> 02:07:00,480 done. 1615 02:07:00,480 --> 02:07:02,320 Okay, councelor Burles. I'll record the 1616 02:07:02,320 --> 02:07:05,360 vote. Everyone else is in favor. Um this 1617 02:07:05,360 --> 02:07:08,560 next one, the um development charges, 1618 02:07:08,560 --> 02:07:11,199 this 100% reduction. 1619 02:07:11,199 --> 02:07:12,480 You've had some feedback on that. 1620 02:07:12,480 --> 02:07:14,000 Councelor Burl, 1621 02:07:14,000 --> 02:07:15,360 >> I don't move it. I think it's a good 1622 02:07:15,360 --> 02:07:16,320 idea. 1623 02:07:16,320 --> 02:07:20,550 >> Second, 1624 02:07:20,560 --> 02:07:21,119 » I just 1625 02:07:21,119 --> 02:07:22,079 >> I'll second it. 1626 02:07:22,079 --> 02:07:25,760 >> Okay. I want to ask Mr. Jackson, um, why 1627 02:07:25,760 --> 02:07:28,079 100%. 1628 02:07:28,079 --> 02:07:30,960 And how do we protect that money that's 1629 02:07:30,960 --> 02:07:32,560 supposed I mean, I'm not opposed in 1630 02:07:32,560 --> 02:07:35,599 principle, but 100% leaves us a bit 1631 02:07:35,599 --> 02:07:37,760 naked out there in the future with some 1632 02:07:37,760 --> 02:07:39,199 major infrastructure costs. So, how did 1633 02:07:39,199 --> 02:07:41,040 you arrive at 100%. Uh so through 1634 02:07:41,040 --> 02:07:42,639 American council so the program only 1635 02:07:42,639 --> 02:07:44,800 required uh municipalities to submit for 1636 02:07:44,800 --> 02:07:46,960 something in the range of 30 to 50%. Uh 1637 02:07:46,960 --> 02:07:49,040 it did encourage people to look for more 1638 02:07:49,040 --> 02:07:51,760 than that. Um part of our thinking on it 1639 02:07:51,760 --> 02:07:53,679 was the grant the intent of the grant is 1640 02:07:53,679 --> 02:07:55,760 to offset the lost DC revenue that a 1641 02:07:55,760 --> 02:07:57,920 municipality will incur. Um so whether 1642 02:07:57,920 --> 02:08:00,480 you apply for 30% 50% or 100% the grant 1643 02:08:00,480 --> 02:08:02,159 theoretically will reimburse you the 1644 02:08:02,159 --> 02:08:03,599 equivalent amount of money. So we 1645 02:08:03,599 --> 02:08:06,000 shouldn't be any worse off um if we get 1646 02:08:06,000 --> 02:08:07,760 the full amount of grant funding uh 1647 02:08:07,760 --> 02:08:09,119 regardless of which amount we applied 1648 02:08:09,119 --> 02:08:10,800 for. We also knew that council had 1649 02:08:10,800 --> 02:08:12,560 recently directed us to reduce uh the 1650 02:08:12,560 --> 02:08:14,719 most significant cost by 50% with no 1651 02:08:14,719 --> 02:08:16,239 compensating funds and so we knew there 1652 02:08:16,239 --> 02:08:17,840 was an interest in uh being aggressive 1653 02:08:17,840 --> 02:08:19,679 on the development charges. Um and so 1654 02:08:19,679 --> 02:08:20,960 that's why we proposed that. 1655 02:08:20,960 --> 02:08:22,320 >> And so for some of the people that 1656 02:08:22,320 --> 02:08:25,119 emailed us today, it really is 100% that 1657 02:08:25,119 --> 02:08:26,960 it will be totally compensated for 1658 02:08:26,960 --> 02:08:28,560 through the that new program. Right. 1659 02:08:28,560 --> 02:08:30,000 >> Yes. If they award the full amount for 1660 02:08:30,000 --> 02:08:32,480 the grant. 1661 02:08:32,480 --> 02:08:33,760 >> Going to call the question. Councelor Mc 1662 02:08:33,760 --> 02:08:35,920 Roberts. 1663 02:08:35,920 --> 02:08:37,920 >> My question to staff would be through 1664 02:08:37,920 --> 02:08:40,239 the juror. if when does the money come 1665 02:08:40,239 --> 02:08:46,880 back? So, is it on a yearly basis that funding would come back or is it 1666 02:08:46,880 --> 02:08:49,599 I I'm not sure if it's just one year uh 1667 02:08:49,599 --> 02:08:50,960 through America council. So, the program 1668 02:08:50,960 --> 02:08:52,560 was uh came out very quickly. There's 1669 02:08:52,560 --> 02:08:53,679 limited information in the program 1670 02:08:53,679 --> 02:08:54,880 guidelines. We wouldn't see those 1671 02:08:54,880 --> 02:08:56,159 details until we till we see the 1672 02:08:56,159 --> 02:08:57,440 transfer payment agreement which would 1673 02:08:57,440 --> 02:08:59,440 come within the next month. Um on an 1674 02:08:59,440 --> 02:09:01,440 annual basis is is common. So, that that 1675 02:09:01,440 --> 02:09:04,639 is a possibility. 1676 02:09:04,639 --> 02:09:06,079 >> But we are protected. 1677 02:09:06,079 --> 02:09:07,599 >> Yes. 1678 02:09:07,599 --> 02:09:09,520 Kell, 1679 02:09:09,520 --> 02:09:12,560 >> I suppose uh thanks Mayor Bradley. I I 1680 02:09:12,560 --> 02:09:14,639 suppose my fundamental question is 1681 02:09:14,639 --> 02:09:16,719 should we be prioritizing certain parts 1682 02:09:16,719 --> 02:09:19,840 of the city uh in terms of infill and 1683 02:09:19,840 --> 02:09:23,119 that sort of thing? Um uh trying to 1684 02:09:23,119 --> 02:09:26,159 encourage development in certain areas 1685 02:09:26,159 --> 02:09:29,520 as opposed to continually building out. 1686 02:09:29,520 --> 02:09:32,000 That would be my question to staff. 1687 02:09:32,000 --> 02:09:33,760 >> Uh third de council the grant require 1688 02:09:33,760 --> 02:09:35,440 that we apply the same reduction across 1689 02:09:35,440 --> 02:09:37,920 the board. we are not able to uh choose 1690 02:09:37,920 --> 02:09:39,360 uh specific areas to apply different 1691 02:09:39,360 --> 02:09:40,800 discounts to. 1692 02:09:40,800 --> 02:09:42,239 >> That's helpful for that clarification. 1693 02:09:42,239 --> 02:09:43,760 Thank you, Councelor White. 1694 02:09:43,760 --> 02:09:45,840 >> Yeah, thank you uh Mayor Bradley. So 1695 02:09:45,840 --> 02:09:48,480 again, just to clarify, this is um 1696 02:09:48,480 --> 02:09:50,800 essentially dollar for dollar, but what 1697 02:09:50,800 --> 02:09:54,960 if and if I'm not mistaken, I'd like to understand that I've got 1698 02:09:54,960 --> 02:09:57,280 this right. It's dollar for dollar. The 1699 02:09:57,280 --> 02:10:01,280 grant offsets the reduction in the DCS 1700 02:10:01,280 --> 02:10:03,119 um which does not put any additional 1701 02:10:03,119 --> 02:10:07,920 pressure on uh the general levy um also 1702 02:10:07,920 --> 02:10:10,560 does not create a lag in any capital 1703 02:10:10,560 --> 02:10:12,480 projects that were planned. In fact, if 1704 02:10:12,480 --> 02:10:14,400 I understand it correctly, because we 1705 02:10:14,400 --> 02:10:16,560 would have a steady stream that might 1706 02:10:16,560 --> 02:10:19,679 outpace any potential development, uh we 1707 02:10:19,679 --> 02:10:21,520 would actually get the money quick more 1708 02:10:21,520 --> 02:10:23,199 quickly and address some of these 1709 02:10:23,199 --> 02:10:26,000 lagging needs more quickly. Um, so 1710 02:10:26,000 --> 02:10:27,599 that's my first point and then I'll have 1711 02:10:27,599 --> 02:10:29,520 another question after. Is that correct? 1712 02:10:29,520 --> 02:10:31,440 >> Yeah. Uh, council that's generally 1713 02:10:31,440 --> 02:10:33,760 correct. Uh, I'd say one piece there is 1714 02:10:33,760 --> 02:10:35,360 all of the projects that are uh, 1715 02:10:35,360 --> 02:10:36,719 advanced here are already in the 1716 02:10:36,719 --> 02:10:38,239 development charges background study. So 1717 02:10:38,239 --> 02:10:39,199 these are projects we would be 1718 02:10:39,199 --> 02:10:41,360 committing to do. The only difference is 1719 02:10:41,360 --> 02:10:43,119 if we weren't getting the grant funding, 1720 02:10:43,119 --> 02:10:44,719 we would only implement those projects 1721 02:10:44,719 --> 02:10:46,400 if the housing was ready to go. Here 1722 02:10:46,400 --> 02:10:48,159 we're doing them more proactively. And 1723 02:10:48,159 --> 02:10:50,000 so it does mean that all of those 1724 02:10:50,000 --> 02:10:51,520 projects have a portion of funding the 1725 02:10:51,520 --> 02:10:53,520 city has to apply anyways. And so we're 1726 02:10:53,520 --> 02:10:54,960 just advancing those more quickly. So 1727 02:10:54,960 --> 02:10:56,960 there is, you know, we will use up our 1728 02:10:56,960 --> 02:10:58,880 contribution earlier than we necessarily 1729 02:10:58,880 --> 02:11:00,000 would have if we were waiting for 1730 02:11:00,000 --> 02:11:02,159 housing to grow, but the overall uh 1731 02:11:02,159 --> 02:11:03,760 amount should be the same that the city 1732 02:11:03,760 --> 02:11:04,880 contributes from our own funding 1733 02:11:04,880 --> 02:11:05,679 sources. 1734 02:11:05,679 --> 02:11:07,840 >> Okay. Thank you. And then in terms of uh 1735 02:11:07,840 --> 02:11:11,360 reporting out um again, this is more of 1736 02:11:11,360 --> 02:11:12,880 a general question because I think for 1737 02:11:12,880 --> 02:11:14,400 those of us who are on council, we 1738 02:11:14,400 --> 02:11:16,079 understand this process a little bit 1739 02:11:16,079 --> 02:11:22,000 more um uh clearly because we've we've just experienced it. But in terms 1740 02:11:22,000 --> 02:11:25,760 of applying for a grant um and then 1741 02:11:25,760 --> 02:11:28,400 create setting the parameters 1742 02:11:28,400 --> 02:11:30,960 uh prior to coming to council, you're 1743 02:11:30,960 --> 02:11:33,119 effectively taking what was a prior 1744 02:11:33,119 --> 02:11:38,000 mandate um using your best um uh 1745 02:11:38,000 --> 02:11:40,239 judgment to try and put something 1746 02:11:40,239 --> 02:11:42,960 together that that fulfills a direction 1747 02:11:42,960 --> 02:11:46,639 that we're already moving in. Uh and 1748 02:11:46,639 --> 02:11:48,719 then secondly, the reporting in period 1749 02:11:48,719 --> 02:11:51,760 is simply once it was complete, this was 1750 02:11:51,760 --> 02:11:53,679 the next council meeting that was 1751 02:11:53,679 --> 02:11:55,760 available to you to be able to prepare a 1752 02:11:55,760 --> 02:11:58,800 report. Um am I correct in that? 1753 02:11:58,800 --> 02:12:00,639 >> Uh yes, through the mayor. So uh 1754 02:12:00,639 --> 02:12:02,880 generally our policy is to bring uh 1755 02:12:02,880 --> 02:12:05,119 grant funding requests to council uh if 1756 02:12:05,119 --> 02:12:06,719 we can in advance of the application 1757 02:12:06,719 --> 02:12:08,719 deadline. Uh this program is very unique 1758 02:12:08,719 --> 02:12:10,719 in the quick timeline it came out uh and 1759 02:12:10,719 --> 02:12:12,000 the quick turnaround time for the 1760 02:12:12,000 --> 02:12:14,719 application. um in reviewing it. Um you 1761 02:12:14,719 --> 02:12:16,320 know, we did believe based on the a lot 1762 02:12:16,320 --> 02:12:17,760 of the recent discussion with council on 1763 02:12:17,760 --> 02:12:19,679 the development charges that we knew the 1764 02:12:19,679 --> 02:12:21,440 general direction council would uh like 1765 02:12:21,440 --> 02:12:23,599 to see, but uh uh the reality here was 1766 02:12:23,599 --> 02:12:25,440 the timeline was very tight and so it 1767 02:12:25,440 --> 02:12:27,040 had to advance and there's no commitment 1768 02:12:27,040 --> 02:12:28,960 until council gives direction uh until 1769 02:12:28,960 --> 02:12:30,560 we sign an agreement. 1770 02:12:30,560 --> 02:12:32,239 >> So thank you. And then so my follow-up 1771 02:12:32,239 --> 02:12:34,320 point is then if council whoop excuse me 1772 02:12:34,320 --> 02:12:37,280 if council turns this down uh today then 1773 02:12:37,280 --> 02:12:39,360 essentially the application is withdrawn 1774 02:12:39,360 --> 02:12:42,719 and we're back to potentially waiting 1775 02:12:42,719 --> 02:12:44,400 longer to implement some of these 1776 02:12:44,400 --> 02:12:46,159 capital infrastructure projects. Is that 1777 02:12:46,159 --> 02:12:46,560 correct? 1778 02:12:46,560 --> 02:12:48,719 >> Correct. 1779 02:12:48,719 --> 02:12:50,560 >> Know you'll do this but I hope now for 1780 02:12:50,560 --> 02:12:51,920 years we've heard from the development 1781 02:12:51,920 --> 02:12:53,840 industry if we didn't have development 1782 02:12:53,840 --> 02:12:57,760 charges for this 20% 50% or zero you see 1783 02:12:57,760 --> 02:12:59,760 a lot more homes in the community. So 1784 02:12:59,760 --> 02:13:02,480 this is a real test of this. Whatever 1785 02:13:02,480 --> 02:13:05,199 the day we pass this for three years, 1786 02:13:05,199 --> 02:13:06,639 let's see what it does to the housing 1787 02:13:06,639 --> 02:13:08,480 business. The housing starts in the 1788 02:13:08,480 --> 02:13:10,480 community. So that little editorial 1789 02:13:10,480 --> 02:13:12,320 there, I will call the question. All 1790 02:13:12,320 --> 02:13:19,990 those in favor that is done. 1791 02:13:20,000 --> 02:13:27,589 » We're moving into the noses of motion. 1792 02:13:27,599 --> 02:13:29,199 » The farm agreement. Okay. with the main 1793 02:13:29,199 --> 02:13:30,719 society. That should be an easy one. 1794 02:13:30,719 --> 02:13:33,840 Councelor Burl's moving it and councelor 1795 02:13:33,840 --> 02:13:35,520 White [clears throat] is seconding it. 1796 02:13:35,520 --> 02:13:37,520 And this this agreement will continue 1797 02:13:37,520 --> 02:13:40,719 now for another five years. 1798 02:13:40,719 --> 02:13:43,440 All those Yeah. Okay. All those in 1799 02:13:43,440 --> 02:13:45,920 favor. That's done. If we could move to 1800 02:13:45,920 --> 02:13:48,639 the noses of motion. I can't move them. 1801 02:13:48,639 --> 02:13:51,679 The first one is related to um the 1802 02:13:51,679 --> 02:13:54,239 Northern Shield pipeline. It's it's a 1803 02:13:54,239 --> 02:13:55,199 great announcement for the committee, 1804 02:13:55,199 --> 02:13:56,480 but we've got a long way to go on this. 1805 02:13:56,480 --> 02:13:59,119 Councelor Burl, you're moving it 1806 02:13:59,119 --> 02:14:00,560 back to councelor White. And I've sent 1807 02:14:00,560 --> 02:14:02,719 the same motion to county council. The 1808 02:14:02,719 --> 02:14:04,159 only difference in county council, I'll 1809 02:14:04,159 --> 02:14:05,840 change it a bit to ask that this be sent 1810 02:14:05,840 --> 02:14:08,000 out to all the municipalities in Ontario 1811 02:14:08,000 --> 02:14:10,239 looking for support. 1812 02:14:10,239 --> 02:14:12,239 Mr. Kilmer. 1813 02:14:12,239 --> 02:14:13,840 Uh 1814 02:14:13,840 --> 02:14:16,960 yeah, I I I suppose my just my my 1815 02:14:16,960 --> 02:14:22,800 biggest uh just question is just to clarify 1816 02:14:22,800 --> 02:14:24,320 within your motion just the 1817 02:14:24,320 --> 02:14:26,880 environmental aspects. Does that include 1818 02:14:26,880 --> 02:14:28,800 indigenous 1819 02:14:28,800 --> 02:14:30,880 uh feedback? 1820 02:14:30,880 --> 02:14:32,159 >> Definitely does. 1821 02:14:32,159 --> 02:14:34,320 >> And I was with the minister on last 1822 02:14:34,320 --> 02:14:36,000 Wednesday at Kelgore for an announcement 1823 02:14:36,000 --> 02:14:38,320 and we discussed that through the media 1824 02:14:38,320 --> 02:14:40,159 that the first thing he did when he came 1825 02:14:40,159 --> 02:14:42,079 to Sarnia last Wednesday was to call 1826 02:14:42,079 --> 02:14:44,159 Chief Naben and start the dialogue 1827 02:14:44,159 --> 02:14:45,440 there. There'll be a more formal 1828 02:14:45,440 --> 02:14:47,360 dialogue as we go forward, but it is 1829 02:14:47,360 --> 02:14:48,880 essential. It is absolutely essential 1830 02:14:48,880 --> 02:14:50,800 and that's what this part of the motion 1831 02:14:50,800 --> 02:14:54,320 was referring to. All those in favor? 1832 02:14:54,320 --> 02:14:55,920 That's done. That's unanimous. Uh, 1833 02:14:55,920 --> 02:14:58,400 council bro, you have a motion. 1834 02:14:58,400 --> 02:15:02,400 >> Uh, yes, your worship. uh 1835 02:15:02,400 --> 02:15:04,719 in light of the potential new pipeline 1836 02:15:04,719 --> 02:15:07,760 to Sarnia and other opportunities at the 1837 02:15:07,760 --> 02:15:09,920 city of Sonia work with Sarnia Lamp 1838 02:15:09,920 --> 02:15:12,639 economic partnership and other local, 1839 02:15:12,639 --> 02:15:15,280 provincial and federal agencies to 1840 02:15:15,280 --> 02:15:17,040 prepare a report on providing 1841 02:15:17,040 --> 02:15:19,760 infrastructure and related funding 1842 02:15:19,760 --> 02:15:21,599 necessary 1843 02:15:21,599 --> 02:15:23,840 for development of our industrial parks 1844 02:15:23,840 --> 02:15:27,280 and other lands in South Sia. 1845 02:15:27,280 --> 02:15:29,840 Second, councelor White, 1846 02:15:29,840 --> 02:15:33,280 >> I think you want to add to it, councelor 1847 02:15:33,280 --> 02:15:34,719 Burl or self-explanator. 1848 02:15:34,719 --> 02:15:37,840 >> Just uh yes, is this that there are 1849 02:15:37,840 --> 02:15:40,719 certainly you know this pipeline coming 1850 02:15:40,719 --> 02:15:43,360 is can be a great thing and but just 1851 02:15:43,360 --> 02:15:45,599 generally there are areas in in South 1852 02:15:45,599 --> 02:15:48,239 Sia that do need 1853 02:15:48,239 --> 02:15:50,960 some um 1854 02:15:50,960 --> 02:15:54,320 support in terms of the infrastructure. 1855 02:15:54,320 --> 02:15:57,920 And it might be time with this uh 1856 02:15:57,920 --> 02:15:59,840 look at that. And this is just asking 1857 02:15:59,840 --> 02:16:01,520 for a report. It's not a commitment to 1858 02:16:01,520 --> 02:16:04,159 anything. Uh it really is just asking to 1859 02:16:04,159 --> 02:16:07,520 look at what services might be necessary 1860 02:16:07,520 --> 02:16:11,920 to enhance uh development down that way 1861 02:16:11,920 --> 02:16:13,840 and then council of course will make a 1862 02:16:13,840 --> 02:16:16,000 decision at some point. But hopefully 1863 02:16:16,000 --> 02:16:18,719 that with uh when they because they're 1864 02:16:18,719 --> 02:16:22,480 talking about this uh all of this coming 1865 02:16:22,480 --> 02:16:25,840 through that we will be able to tap into 1866 02:16:25,840 --> 02:16:28,320 new provincial and federal grants that 1867 02:16:28,320 --> 02:16:31,360 we might not otherwise have got. 1868 02:16:31,360 --> 02:16:33,439 >> I believe the minister uh responsible 1869 02:16:33,439 --> 02:16:35,280 federally may be visiting Sarna and 1870 02:16:35,280 --> 02:16:37,920 that'll be one of the pitches that they 1871 02:16:37,920 --> 02:16:40,240 support the pipeline. So then give us 1872 02:16:40,240 --> 02:16:42,000 the ability in our community to get the 1873 02:16:42,000 --> 02:16:44,000 economic benefits. So it's certainly an 1874 02:16:44,000 --> 02:16:44,240 order 1875 02:16:44,240 --> 02:16:47,519 >> question. Yes. Question worship. 1876 02:16:47,519 --> 02:16:48,080 >> Go ahead. 1877 02:16:48,080 --> 02:16:51,120 >> Yes. Um there's been a lot of chatter 1878 02:16:51,120 --> 02:16:53,040 out in the community about the length of 1879 02:16:53,040 --> 02:16:56,479 time that this particular uh particular 1880 02:16:56,479 --> 02:16:58,960 um project would happen if and when it 1881 02:16:58,960 --> 02:17:00,719 happens. Given the fact that we have a 1882 02:17:00,719 --> 02:17:03,439 feasibility study uh put forward by 1883 02:17:03,439 --> 02:17:05,120 Premier Ford who wants to have it done 1884 02:17:05,120 --> 02:17:08,880 in 2026. It would appear that um a lot 1885 02:17:08,880 --> 02:17:13,359 of the work for some other projects uh 1886 02:17:13,359 --> 02:17:16,719 across provinces uh for pipelines coming 1887 02:17:16,719 --> 02:17:18,639 our way have basically a lot of 1888 02:17:18,639 --> 02:17:21,760 engineering already done and land pro uh 1889 02:17:21,760 --> 02:17:25,359 land purchased. So this 20 this notion 1890 02:17:25,359 --> 02:17:28,800 of 20 years out is ridiculous in my 1891 02:17:28,800 --> 02:17:31,200 humble opinion and I would think that we 1892 02:17:31,200 --> 02:17:33,439 would be looking more like two to four 1893 02:17:33,439 --> 02:17:35,760 years. Would that be a more accurate 1894 02:17:35,760 --> 02:17:39,359 estimation in your humble opinion? 1895 02:17:39,359 --> 02:17:41,040 >> I haven't heard anyone use the 20-year 1896 02:17:41,040 --> 02:17:43,280 number. Canada has, as I said in my 1897 02:17:43,280 --> 02:17:44,880 remarks with the energy minister last 1898 02:17:44,880 --> 02:17:48,880 week. Um, we sometimes don't get great 1899 02:17:48,880 --> 02:17:51,359 things done and dream big dreams. And I 1900 02:17:51,359 --> 02:17:52,479 would hope the federal provincial 1901 02:17:52,479 --> 02:17:53,840 government would do everything they can 1902 02:17:53,840 --> 02:17:55,200 and I think the province is really on 1903 02:17:55,200 --> 02:17:57,359 board to move this on parallel tracks, 1904 02:17:57,359 --> 02:17:58,880 do the environmental assessments, do all 1905 02:17:58,880 --> 02:18:01,760 the other work and uh get it done in a 1906 02:18:01,760 --> 02:18:03,760 very reasonable period of time. But I 1907 02:18:03,760 --> 02:18:05,120 can't qualify that right now. Certainly 1908 02:18:05,120 --> 02:18:07,200 not 20, not 10. 1909 02:18:07,200 --> 02:18:08,160 >> Great. Thank you. 1910 02:18:08,160 --> 02:18:10,880 >> I'll call the question though. Go ahead. 1911 02:18:10,880 --> 02:18:13,280 >> Right. Thank you. Um I I appreciate this 1912 02:18:13,280 --> 02:18:14,880 motion. I actually think it's it's it's 1913 02:18:14,880 --> 02:18:18,160 an excellent motion. Um uh it does speak 1914 02:18:18,160 --> 02:18:19,920 to the fact that I think some of our 1915 02:18:19,920 --> 02:18:22,080 stuff has been in lagging and and 1916 02:18:22,080 --> 02:18:24,960 knowing that in the past having spoken 1917 02:18:24,960 --> 02:18:27,120 to members of the economic partnership 1918 02:18:27,120 --> 02:18:30,479 that uh in some instances uh we may have 1919 02:18:30,479 --> 02:18:32,479 had a better shot at landing some of the 1920 02:18:32,479 --> 02:18:34,080 bigger opportunities had our 1921 02:18:34,080 --> 02:18:36,880 infrastructure uh been uh basically 1922 02:18:36,880 --> 02:18:40,319 ready uh to serve. Um, so when I see 1923 02:18:40,319 --> 02:18:42,479 this motion, I think about not only the 1924 02:18:42,479 --> 02:18:44,000 bigger projects. I think about the 1925 02:18:44,000 --> 02:18:46,160 secondary projects, the industries that 1926 02:18:46,160 --> 02:18:48,399 are supportive of of the the potential 1927 02:18:48,399 --> 02:18:50,319 new projects that are coming here. Uh, 1928 02:18:50,319 --> 02:18:52,319 but I also think about the housing stock 1929 02:18:52,319 --> 02:18:53,840 and I think we just addressed some of 1930 02:18:53,840 --> 02:18:56,559 that with the DC charges uh, 1931 02:18:56,559 --> 02:18:59,120 conversation. Uh, but if it's possible 1932 02:18:59,120 --> 02:19:01,439 to ask within this motion as well, just 1933 02:19:01,439 --> 02:19:04,960 to get a comment on perhaps what the um 1934 02:19:04,960 --> 02:19:07,120 what what housing needs may be lagging 1935 02:19:07,120 --> 02:19:09,840 as well. uh because again we're talking 1936 02:19:09,840 --> 02:19:14,319 about being able to not only um employ 1937 02:19:14,319 --> 02:19:16,000 the folks that already live here, but 1938 02:19:16,000 --> 02:19:18,960 surely we're we're looking at importing 1939 02:19:18,960 --> 02:19:20,960 uh a number of folks to contribute to 1940 02:19:20,960 --> 02:19:22,639 our economy as well and to shore that 1941 02:19:22,639 --> 02:19:24,719 up. So with that is going to become is 1942 02:19:24,719 --> 02:19:26,399 going to come a a housing crunch of 1943 02:19:26,399 --> 02:19:28,080 sorts. So if that's okay, if we could 1944 02:19:28,080 --> 02:19:30,240 add that in there, I'd appreciate that. 1945 02:19:30,240 --> 02:19:31,599 >> So councelor Burl, you'd move that into 1946 02:19:31,599 --> 02:19:36,070 the motion. 1947 02:19:36,080 --> 02:19:38,080 Okay, that's accepted. Thank you. All 1948 02:19:38,080 --> 02:19:39,920 those in favor. 1949 02:19:39,920 --> 02:19:43,120 All right. Moving on. Councelor Burl 1950 02:19:43,120 --> 02:19:50,630 minutes. 1951 02:19:50,640 --> 02:19:54,640 » I move that the minutes of June 22nd, 1952 02:19:54,640 --> 02:20:00,080 2026 regular meeting and June 22, 2026 1953 02:20:00,080 --> 02:20:02,880 closed meeting as printed be adopted. 1954 02:20:02,880 --> 02:20:07,040 >> All those in favor? Uh urgent matters. I 1955 02:20:07,040 --> 02:20:08,560 only have one. Councelor Bushi 1956 02:20:08,560 --> 02:20:10,479 unfortunately couldn't be with us today. 1957 02:20:10,479 --> 02:20:13,359 Uh he is now serving 50 years 1958 02:20:13,359 --> 02:20:16,720 proincially and locally. 50 years as his 1959 02:20:16,720 --> 02:20:18,880 retirement comes up. So I think we've in 1960 02:20:18,880 --> 02:20:22,630 order. 1961 02:20:22,640 --> 02:20:25,280 » Yes. I would move that we congratulate 1962 02:20:25,280 --> 02:20:29,920 uh Councelor Bushy on his great work in 1963 02:20:29,920 --> 02:20:31,760 our community 1964 02:20:31,760 --> 02:20:33,359 and 1965 02:20:33,359 --> 02:20:35,200 >> perhaps if we can find maybe even find 1966 02:20:35,200 --> 02:20:37,600 some kind of a an award we could print 1967 02:20:37,600 --> 02:20:40,240 out for him at some point. 1968 02:20:40,240 --> 02:20:42,880 >> Uh there is a recognition coming from 1969 02:20:42,880 --> 02:20:44,479 the province but it didn't arrive in 1970 02:20:44,479 --> 02:20:47,040 time. So that will happen and we'll find 1971 02:20:47,040 --> 02:20:49,120 some way to officially do that so you 1972 02:20:49,120 --> 02:20:51,760 can participate in that. All in favor of 1973 02:20:51,760 --> 02:20:55,520 that motion move us forward uh to the 1974 02:20:55,520 --> 02:20:58,240 consent agenda. 1975 02:20:58,240 --> 02:21:01,439 >> I move that items A to D listed in the 1976 02:21:01,439 --> 02:21:06,469 consent agenda be introduced. 1977 02:21:06,479 --> 02:21:10,630 » Moved seconded. 1978 02:21:10,640 --> 02:21:12,160 Council Keller, you had an item. 1979 02:21:12,160 --> 02:21:12,960 >> I move that. 1980 02:21:12,960 --> 02:21:14,080 >> Sorry. 1981 02:21:14,080 --> 02:21:15,680 >> Okay. No, 1982 02:21:15,680 --> 02:21:17,040 >> I think you're trying to hit the tennis 1983 02:21:17,040 --> 02:21:18,399 courts, aren't you? Um, 1984 02:21:18,399 --> 02:21:21,120 >> I move that items A to D listed in the 1985 02:21:21,120 --> 02:21:23,200 consent agenda as recommended or 1986 02:21:23,200 --> 02:21:25,040 approved by this council 1987 02:21:25,040 --> 02:21:25,840 >> be adopted. 1988 02:21:25,840 --> 02:21:29,120 >> All in favor? That is done. 1989 02:21:29,120 --> 02:21:32,479 >> I move that bylaws 1 to 14 as printed be 1990 02:21:32,479 --> 02:21:35,040 introduced and be taken as read for the 1991 02:21:35,040 --> 02:21:38,000 first, second, and third time and 1992 02:21:38,000 --> 02:21:39,040 finally passed. 1993 02:21:39,040 --> 02:21:40,319 >> All in favor? Before I go to 1994 02:21:40,319 --> 02:21:42,479 adjournment, this will be tough. Um, 1995 02:21:42,479 --> 02:21:44,160 this is our last official meeting unless 1996 02:21:44,160 --> 02:21:46,479 I have to call one for an emergency. Uh, 1997 02:21:46,479 --> 02:21:47,760 I just want to thank the people in this 1998 02:21:47,760 --> 02:21:49,600 room and councelor Gillis for the last 1999 02:21:49,600 --> 02:21:52,479 four years. 2000 02:21:52,479 --> 02:21:55,040 >> You're welcome. 2001 02:21:55,040 --> 02:21:56,319 >> No, for some reason this meeting just 2002 02:21:56,319 --> 02:21:58,720 flowed today. I just don't know why. 2003 02:21:58,720 --> 02:21:59,920 >> Adjournment. 2004 02:21:59,920 --> 02:22:02,640 >> I move that Snee City Council adjourn to 2005 02:22:02,640 --> 02:22:05,359 a next regular meeting to be held on 2006 02:22:05,359 --> 02:22:08,080 November 23rd, 2007 02:22:08,080 --> 02:22:11,080 2026.