>> Good evening, everybody.
We are here for the
City Council Regular Meeting,
June 4, 2025,
approximately 6:00pm Will you
please join Councilmember Sams
in a moment of silence and the
pledge please?
>> Let's continue with the
pledge.
>> I pledge allegiance
to the flag of the United
States of America and to the
Republic for which it stands,
one nation, under God,
indivisible,
with liberty and justice
for all.
>> Thank you. Next up is the
presentation of the Florida
League of Cities 2025 Youth
Council and Excellence Award
to members of the Satellite
Beach Youth Council.
>> Perfect.
>> Good evening, Mayor, members
of the council, staff,
citizens, and the members
of the Satellite Beach Youth
Council. My name is Erin
Russell and I am the Member
Services administrator
from the Florida League of
Cities, which is located in
Tallahassee, Florida. And just
for the audience members who
may be unfamiliar with the
Florida League of Cities, we
have served as the united voice
for Florida's 411 cities,
towns and villages since 1922.
And our mission has remained
the same since our founding,
which is to protect local
decision making because we
believe local decisions should
be made by those who know their
communities best. And so,
I want to start
by saying thank you
to the city of Satellite beach
for being a dedicated member
of the Florida League of
Cities. And I also want
to give a shout out to your
excellent staff who gave me a
very warm welcome when I came
to City hall this evening.
So, it is my honor
to be here this evening
to present the Satellite
Beach Youth Council with the
Florida League of Cities 2025
Youth Council Excellence
Award. And for this contest,
the league asked youth councils
to submit an initiative that
made significant contributions
to their local municipality.
And this is a statewide
competition that is open
to all youth councils in
Florida. And only three
projects were selected as
winners. And the initiative
that they submitted aimed
to plant trees around the city
while educating future
generations
about the importance of trees.
Through innovative planning,
collaboration and hard work,
the youth Council accomplished
its goals. Increasing youth
engagement,
educating the community
about the environment,
and helping Satellite beach
increase its tree canopy and
vegetation. This project not
only beautified the community,
but also served as a meaningful
educational opportunity
to engage residents
to raise awareness and
to lay the groundwork for long
term environmental stewardship
in Satellite Beach. So,
in addition
to the trophy that I'm here
to present them this. Present
them with this evening, the
Youth council will also receive
a check for $500 to help fund
community projects and to
continue their important work.
So, if I can have the members
of the youth council join me
on behalf of the Florida
League of Cities, I am honored
to present you with the 2025
Youth Council Excellence
Award. Congratulations.
[APPLAUSE]
>> Awesome.
[APPLAUSE]
>> I will say that
this is not an easy
competition. There's a lot
of youth council that put
into it and there was a lot
of worthwhile projects in it.
So that you rose to the top
of that is not an easy feat
to do. So, congratulations.
Well done on that. Again, it
was well earned. Do that. And
we appreciate what your project
was. I think back a few years
when we were still planting
trees and taking trees out to
Citizens house and stuff
like that. It's important that
we keep doing that. I think
everybody thinks that's a
worthwhile project and I think
it's great that you guys took
that on and spearhead that keep
going that direction. So, thank
you again for that.
Congratulations on that. Well
earned, well done.
[APPLAUSE]
All right,
next is citizens comments.
This is citizens comments
on non-agenda items. If anybody
cares
to come up and speak.
>> Hello. Hello. Lois Felder,
Oceana. I just want
to say I am delighted that all
of your traffic control boxes
have been paid for
to be wrapped. I would just
like to know how fast the
wrapping will take place. Do we
have any left? They should be
done
within the next three weeks.
And then there's one left that
still needs to be ordered,
so it'll probably be closer to
after a month or so. Perfect.
Great. One other thing, and I
don't know if somebody here
would have the answer,
but once upon a time,
way back. When I asked to get a
waste disposal garbage can, I
guess, at the bus stop. That's
right. Right by Oceana, because
people were sitting
on our little wall and right
by the bus stop waiting
for the bus. And just dropping
all of their stuff. All
over the place. And I
photographed it and lo and
behold, Public works put a
trash can attached to the bus
stop and actually picked up
trash from time to time. It's
gone. Why is it gone? Who knows
where it went and who can put
it back? Mystery.
>> Citizens comments still open,
please.
>> Hey, good evening,
everyone. Thank you, Mayor
Osmer and city council members
for giving us a few minutes
to speak today. My name is
Andrew Robineau, and I'm
standing beside my wife
Madison, and my parents, Tina
and Dan Robineau. I'm really
excited
to share some awesome news
with you all.
Through the incredible support
of our community, we raised
$7,765 during this year's Tee
it up for Maddie golf
tournament. This is money that
will go directly towards
supporting Satellite beach
youth athletics between the
football and baseball programs.
This Event means a lot
to us as a family. Not just
because of what it raises,
but because of who it honors.
My brother, Matthew Robino, a
young man who grew up right
here, Beachside and was deeply
involved in the variety
of youth sports offered here.
This tournament is all
about keeping Matthew's spirit
and legacy alive by supporting
the various areas that he
loved,
including youth athletics.
With this money raised,
we're able to fund the new
scoreboard just south
of us here at Hedgcock Field
and provided some relief
to the Beachside Little League
after some unforeseen damage
that occurred
to the scoreboard. We're also
donating a portion
of the funds to the Satellite
Beach Youth Football and Cheer
association to help
with some equipment upgrades
for this upcoming season. So,
looking ahead, we're hoping to
take that tribute even further
for Matthew. One
of our goals is
to eventually have the DeSoto
baseball field named in
Matthew's honor and assist
in a scoreboard commemoration
for him, similar
to what we have for Zach
Seeley
with the football field there.
For him and his family,
this is a park that's special
to our family and has many fond
memories on the ball field.
Together, we feel like this
would complement the tribute
bench that we have for Matthew
along the sidewalk just north
of the outfield fence.
Ultimately, we'd like to
continue partnering and raising
money through the Tee it Up
for Maddie golf tournament and
then other events as well
to assist with community
enhancements and projects
in the area. On behalf of my
family and our friends and all
those involved
with the money that was raised
for this event, thank you for
this opportunity. I look
forward to working
with the city
on areas that we can help
in the future to continue
making this town the best place
to grow up and to live. God
bless you all. Thank you.
[APPLAUSE]
>> Thank you very much.
>> Thank you so much
for your community support. We
really appreciate that. We
really do.
>> Thank you, citizens.
Comment is still open if
anybody else cares to comment
on a non-agenda item hearing
none. I'll bring it back up
here. Next item is city council
comments. I'll start
with you. Oh, wow. So, I'll
just want
to reiterate the
congratulations
to the youth council and as
well to the tee it up for
Maddie. I have to admit,
if I had known, I would have
participated. I'm not a good
golfer, but I can play. So just
remember that next year.
>> Thank you again.
>> Thanks, Mike.
>> Good afternoon, everyone. I
attended the lunch and learn
for the hurricane preparedness.
That was fantastic. You know,
part of our goals is
to outreach and get citizens
Involvement and we had. It was
in this chamber because of the
voting and I sat up front,
but I think every seat
behind me was full. We had a
range of citizens here
from I just moved in,
I have no idea what to do or
I've been here a lifetime and I
still want to learn. So, I
think that really is the
essence of who we are as a
society and who we are as a
community
with our leadership here. Fire
department is represented,
Police was represented. Alan
Potter's here from Public
Works. Everybody just did a
great job rolling through that
and getting the information
out. Some
of the information was,
what's a shelter? What do you
bring in the shelter? I have
special needs, I have pets.
And we worked
through all that stuff. So, all
those little things you don't
think about until the day of,
they brought it to the surface
and that was really a big
positive. And I think some
of us,
more than me attended the
Edwin Hartman and Philip Flagg
wreath laying ceremony last
Friday. Chief Pearson did a
fantastic job. Stellar,
heartfelt ceremony of
remembrance and that was really
what this city is about also.
So that's what I have.
>> Thanks, Mike.
>> I'll be brief. I want
to couple comments on the
Citizen comments. Thank you all
to organizations supporting the
city, doing something positive
out there. And thank you very
much. I want to thank Ms.
Felder and hold her up as an
example to anyone
out there who's watching.
Thank you for your stick
to activeness and, you know,
holding us accountable. And,
you know, if you're
out there, please come
to meetings, share your ideas.
Like her idea was a good one
and it's gotten carried out.
You know, yours may or may not
be achievable, but we don't
know unless you come and tell
us. So, I hold her up as an
example of someone who's come
over and extend a period
of time, you know, stated an
idea and now it's happening.
So, I commend you and I
encourage others to come out
here because there's no
limitation on good ideas. And
we don't know unless you tell
us. The Youth Council.
Congratulations to all of them
for their hard work and thank
you for coming down here from
Tallahassee to honor them.
Last thing I want to say,
this came to me spontaneously
as I was pulling in, but I saw
a very relaxed citizen named
David Abernathy riding his bike
with his dog as I was pulling
in here. And so,
it's a pleasure to see Chief
Dangler out there,
but that brought a smile
to my face. So that's all I
have.
>> Thank you. We had a busy
month of May
since we last met. So, a couple
of things. I just wanted
to thank city staff
for joining us at Surfside
for bike to school day. We had
city manager and police and
fire there with us. That was a
great way
to start the morning. Thank you
to everyone involved with all
the graduation festivities,
from hanging banners to helping
run the parade and keep the
kids safe during the parade.
Thank you for allowing me
to stand in your place
at graduation.
>> Represented us well.
>> We, we were a little afraid
that the weather was not going
to cooperate and started a
little late,
but it was perfect. It was
perfect. So. And again, the
Hartman flag ceremony is a very
special one in the city and I
hope that continues. I'm glad
that you continue
to do that year after year and
honor their memory and their
service to our city. So, and
again, of course
to our youth council,
Congratulations. Anna and
Cassie and Linda, thank you for
running that group and keeping
it going strong. I look forward
to seeing what they do again
next year. And Erin, thank you
for joining us as well. And the
Robin O family, thank you for
taking something really tough
and sad and turning it
into something really,
really special
to year golf tournament. Thank
you.
>> Can I hop on really quick?
>> I was remiss
in not mentioning thank you
to all the public safety folks.
As a Surfside parent, both my
son and my wife commented
on that and how awesome it was.
Someone called my son out
in a positive way
for having his helmet
on specifically and that
like made his day. He came and
told me, look,
I got positive feedback.
Feedback which he loves. So,
thank you all
for that.
>> I am not going to add
anything further. We'll just
keep on moving along
with this. Next up is city
attorney's report.
>> Jim, I have something this
evening regarding the sale
of the 15-foot strip
around the property for Arctic
rays. The title company is
requiring a resolution instead
of the motion that was
previously approved. So, I have
a resolution prepared. There's
an additional item
in here that we didn't discuss,
which is paragraph three that
talks about the waiver
of mineral rights. So, they
just want that specifically
addressed. So that's been
included in the resolution.
But other than that, the
resolution is essentially
exactly the same as the.
>> You couldn't get them
to write over this, Jim?
>> No, they wanted to. Well,
originally, they wanted to
include other stuff that
applies to counties, you know,
basically declaring surplus and
all that kind of stuff. So,
it's like this is,
this is what they wanted. They
also questioned whether or not
the city manager can Sign the
deed, which I'll have to deal
with later. But unlike the
county where the statute
requires, there's a specific
statutory form for counties,
but there isn't one
for cities. And the chair or
vice chair has to sign any D
to conveyance.
But our charter is not.
Doesn't say anything
specifically about it, but it
says that the mayor will sign
it unless the charter or the
city council directs otherwise.
Which is what the motion did.
It directed that the city
manager can do it,
but I'll resolve that later.
The mayor may have to sign it.
I don't know that. I'll deal
with that. All right,
that's it. We just need a
motion
to approve the resolution. I
got to read it. Resolution
number 1073, a resolution
of the city of Satellite
Beach, Brevard County,
Florida, ratifying prior action
of city council approving
executive execution
of and closing of sale with
Arctic Rays LLC, waiving any
mineral rights as provided in
Section 270.11 Florida
Statutes to the property
to be conveyed to Arctic Rays
LLC,
providing an effective date.
That's a reading
of resolution number 1073.
>> I'll make a motion
to approve resolution number
1073 as presented.
>> Second.
>> I have a motion and a
second. Is anybody else up
here? Ready? So basically,
it's the same thing. Same thing
we discussed before.
>> Yes.
>> We're just putting it a
resolution.
>> Correct.
>> May I ask a question, just
out of curiosity? The part that
had to be added
in waiving any mineral rights,
what does that mean?
>> There's a statute that
section that's cited in there
basically provides that
provides for how mineral rights
are addressed in conveyances
by governmental entities. And
if you don't waive it,
it's reserved. And so,
if the city doesn't execute
this, then there will be what
they call an exception
to the title policy
for that mineral rights. And I
mean council can do that too if
it chooses to,
but all it is a 15-foot strip
around the building or around
the property is what it is.
And the city's still going
to have an easement
over that same 15ft too,
so.
>> Okay, thank you.
>> Anything on that?
>> I was also curious.
>> Thanks for asking. I was
expecting somebody be digging
for gold or uranium or
something.
>> No, actually what. What it
really applies to is more. I
mean where it has historically
come up in Florida, I guess
for lack of a better way
of putting it is in is the
phosphorus mines and things
like that.
>> Right.
>> Okay.
>> But when we agreed
to set this is one
of the proverbial bundles of
sticks which two private
parties would be conveyed. But
because there's this statute,
we're just kind of clarifying
our intention that we intended
to convey everything.
>> Correct.
>> Is that a good way
to summarize it?
>> Yes. All right,
I'll open up
for citizens comments
since we're voting
on if anybody wants to comment
on this. All right. Hearing
None.
[ CALLING ROLL]
>> The motion passes.
>> I have nothing else.
>> Thank you, Jim. All right,
next up, City Manager Brittany
thank you, Mayor.
>> So, our summer classes began
this past Monday, June 2nd.
There are still some spots
available for the summer
activity registration,
so sign up today
for the incredible summer camps
by visiting satellitebeach.gov
recreation or give them a call
to choir about availability.
Flag Day is next Saturday,
June 14th where we honor the
symbol of our freedom,
unity and pride. Join us at
City Hall. Flags will be raised
at 7:30 and retired at 5pm
Soak up the summer with
connection and community
business. Networking events
will be held next Thursday,
June 19th. I'm sorry,
in two weeks June 19th at 5:30
at Cadillac Cove
in the VIP room. Be sponsored
by CO Advantage. Mark your
calendars for Go Skate Day
Satellite beach skate Park on
June 21 from 4pm There will be
contests, giveaways,
live music and food trucks.
Come out and enjoy the fun.
Our Recreation Department is
holding a special community
event introducing
neurodivergent children
to the 911 response system on
June 23rd and 24th. This event
is aimed
at reducing anxiety and fear
in real life emergencies.
Participants will meet city
police officers, firefighters
and paramedics interacting with
their vehicles and equipment.
Equipment ending in a
demonstration mimicking a
real-life emergency.
For more information,
contact our Recreation
Department. Our Police
department received a thank you
from the 55 Plus Club
for their participation
in the 1920 speakeasy event.
The event was a huge success
thanks to the team's
outstanding performance and
creativity,
creative energy. A Special
thanks to Lt. Kinsey
for excellent coordination.
The team brought fun and
laughter to the community and
now proudly recognized as an
honor Honorary member of the
Fun Department.
>> What was your role Chief
in that speakeasy?
>> The Brevard County Natural
Resource Department kindly
shared photos of the co
plannings that were done
following the recent beach
renourishment. The coats are
thriving and appear to be
in excellent condition,
contributing positively to
restored dune environment and
there were pictures of that
in the attachment. As an
update, we did finally get the
final cost
for the senior banners. It was
$6,740 and as of May 27th when
this report was printed,
we had received $635
in donations to that. The rest
of my report has the community
development department activity
along with all the other
department's activities
for the month of April. And
at your next meeting,
we'll have all of the activity
for the month of May. And that
is all I have.
>> Mayor, thank you very much.
Moving on to agenda item 8,
which is the consent agenda,
and there are 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
items on there. We can take
them all as one. Unless
somebody would like
to pull an individual one out
to discuss.
>> I've got a correction
for the minutes.
>> Okay.
>> On page four,
the second action item, there's
a scrivener's error that refers
to me as vice mayor body. Not
to be confused
with the former Minnesota
governor as not a known AKA
gotcha. I confess to doing that
myself quite often.
>> All right,
so we have that added to it.
Anybody else have any other
questions, concerns
with that? No. If not,
I'll entertain a motion to. To
accept the consent agenda.
>> Mayor, there is a gentleman
who wants. Oh, no,
never mind.
We thought it was consent,
but it's not. Never mind.
>> Okay. Move forward.
>> I'm sorry.
>> No worries. Do I have a
motion
for the consent agenda?
>> So, moved.
>> Okay, I got a motion. Do I
have a second?
>> I'll second
with that correction.
>> Thank you. Anything further
up here on that, Gwen?
>> [ CALLING ROLL]
>> Consent agenda passes.
Moving on to agenda item 9.
Discuss, take action
on automatic aid agreement
between the city of Indian
harbor beach and the city of
Satellite beach for fire
protection and emergency
services. Hello, Chief.
>> Hello. How are you? All
right. So, we've currently had
an automatic aid agreement
with Brevard County Fire rescue
for over 15 years. One
of the things Chief Abernathy
was working on prior to his
retirement was an automatic aid
agreement with the city of
Indian Harbor Beach Fire
Department and Patrick's
Space Force Fire Department.
An automatic aid agreement
allows for its more formalized
agreement for shared resources
for both fire and emergency
medical services to where if
it's a specific call comes in;
specific units will be
dispatched accordingly. And
it's a more formal agreement
than a mutual aid agreement?
This agreement was brought
before the Indian Harbor beach
city council on May 13 and
approved. And now we're
bringing it before you.
>> So is the big difference
between the two,
the mutual aid is more they
call for us and then we go, and
automatic we're just going.
>> Typically, the mutual aid
agreement, when the on scene
incident commanders realize
that the incident has grown
beyond their resources, they'll
request additional resources.
That way the automatic aid is
more streamlined
to where we get a call
for a structure fire.
Specific Brevard County Fire
rescue units would be
dispatched with us. That's how
it works with Brevard.
With this one,
it would be the same
to where if Indian harbor beach
gets a call
for a structure fire,
rather than waiting
for the units to get on scene
and verify that they need us,
we would be dispatched almost
immediately. It would decrease
response times, especially in
those time sensitive incidents.
>> Excellent.
>> Indian harbor beach has an
official fire department now.
Are they still volunteer in
New York?
>> Beach is still volunteer.
About a year and a half ago,
they did hire their first full
time fire chief. They are
working
on becoming a combination, both
career and paid fire
department. They just began
on Monday responding
to medical calls in their city
as a first response agency.
So, this way,
if they do get two medical
calls at the same time and
their units are Busy
on the 1st, they would be able
to call us to back them up.
And then as they grow,
we would be able
to do the same with them.
With this formalized agreement,
would we be deployed
on a fire alarm in Indian
Harbor?
>> Traditionally, just
like ours, all
of our condos we handle, they
would still be handling their
regular fire alarms. I'm not
sure if they're going
to include us on their
commercial fire alarms,
but mostly it's going to be
their structure fire responses.
>> What would be the additional
burden you feel would happen
when this comes into play where
it becomes more automated?
In other words, instead of them
confirming I actually have a
problem?
>> Traditionally we've had four
calls for service this year
in harbor beach, we usually
average five or six. I imagine
with them calling us earlier
for,
for more structure fires,
we would get dispatched to a
couple more that might not turn
out
to be a structure fire and we
may be canceled on. And
in addition, with them doing
the first response portion,
we're not real certain how many
medical calls that they run,
especially concurrent ones.
So, they've started it Monday
and I believe they've had one
medical call since Monday.
So, in order for them
to get two calls to have
to call us, that's something
that we're going
to keep an eye on over the next
year and see what kind
of impacts it'll have
to us.
>> With this wind, up being
somewhat tailorable as far as
we move forward,
we realize that we're,
let's just say,
depleting the resources we have
in the city because we're going
to something that isn't
important, not because
of its. Indian Harbor. It's not
important because there really
was not an incident because the
automated system brought you
out, but there was nothing
there. I mean, is that
tailorable as we move forward?
>> It is tailorable. There are
severabilities. There's
definitely stuff for. If we do
start to use some
of our fiscal resources, which
on medical calls, a lot
of that would be covered under
the first responder agreement.
So, we would be able
to get those calls back
from that financial money back
from Brevard County Fire
Rescue if the patients
transported and
on a fire. I mean,
we've been responding
to structure fires
in harbor beach for years.
So, I imagine if we see a big
intake towards where we start
seeing our citizens not getting
the. The services because we're
depleting our resources, that's
something that we could address
with them.
>> But we. And we already have
something like this in place
with the county.
>> Yes, we've had an auto 8
agreement with the county for
over 15 years.
>> Okay.
>> So, Patrick Shores, north
of us, we've been doing this
exact same thing
with them with.
>> With 62's area.
>> Correct. All right,
thank you. Good questions.
Thank you.
>> Yeah, and that gets to my.
Like I said,
because obviously if there's a
fire,
we want anyone who can help us,
certainly trained professionals
going to assist.
>> Is there a concern about? I
mean, heaven forbid you have
two fires. How do you. Is that
an issue where you have
resources that are needed in
the city being expended
elsewhere? Is that a
foreseeable concern
from your perspective?
>> It always is a foreseeable
concern where if we do get a
structure fire in 62's area,
which I'm using them just
because we've had the agreement
with them the longest,
traditionally, if we are going
to be on that fire
for a little bit as part
of it, we will ask for either
Melbourne to send
over an engine or somebody to
backfill our area if we're
going to be out of service
for a while.
>> On a fire in 62, that's the.
>> That's the station on fire
by Sea Park.
>> Okay. Yeah. Okay.
>> So, you call if you. If
it's. If it's a structure fire
and you know you're going
to have resources deployed,
you call for potentially back
backfills.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah, we'll try to backfill
the beach as much as possible,
because if it is a large
structure fire,
then you will deplete both
62, 63, harbor and us. So,
we'll. We'll start grabbing
resources from further away
to come in and backfill not
only our area,
but 62s as well. Okay.
>> And this is trying to think
of a better. And lightning
striking twice. But, you know,
like the chance in your career
you've not seen a situation
where you have multiple kind
of at the same.
>> At the same.
>> At the same time.
>> We have a couple times.
Notably one,
we had a structure fire in our
city that our units were at.
And as I was responding
to that call, we got a report
of another structure fire and
actually called Indian harbor
beach to respond to that fire
for us. It turned out that one
was a structure fire and the
one that harbor went
to was not a structure fire,
but we were able to, through
the mutual aid agreement,
call Harbor.
>> That's definitely.
>> It's a benefit too, because
in that situation you
theoretically ask what the
county, you know, Harbor,
Beachside, Melbourne, I guess
in theory.Are they involved?
>> Melbourne comes
from the mainland,
but we're also working
on an agreement with Patrick
Space Force Base as well.
>> Okay, sounds good.
>> Yeah. Because I think this
works the same thing. Even if
we had a. A big structure fire
and all of.
>> Our units are there,
we can get.
>> The county or someone else
to kind of basically show up
at our station and stand by in
case another call would come
out.
>> That works, right?
>> Thought that happened
before.
>> Is there any downside
to this?
>> I think we're going to have
to study the agreement
depending on calls,
and we will keep an eye
on it. If we do start seeing
ourselves respond to a lot of
calls as far as a medical call,
we're still going to keep one
of our engines in our city
for those. I mean,
it's just something we're going
to track and keep an eye on.
>> Thank you.
>> Anybody else up here? If
not, I'll open it up
for citizens. Comment
on agenda item 9. If anybody
cares to comment
on that hearing. None. I'll
bring it back up here.
There're no other questions up
here. I'll take a motion to
approve this.
>> I'll make a motion to
approve automatic aid agreement
between the city of Indian
harbor beach and the city of
Satellite beach for fire
protection and emergency
services.
>> Second.
>> Okay, I have a motion a
second. So, nothing any
further.
>> [ CALLING ROLL]
>> Motion passes.
>> Thank you, Chief.
>> Thank you.
>> Next up, agenda item 10.
Discuss take action
on lease agreement
between the city of Satellite
beach and PCI Municipal
services.
>> Thank you, Mayor. So, this
item is coming to you because
originally when PCI was
contracted with the city,
there was no Available city
facility
to house their operations. And
at that time no alternate
office space was feasible.
But however,
with the completion of the fire
department building,
an office area
within the shared lobby of the
fire department and public
works has become available.
The space is not designated
for use by either
of the departments. So, we did
take the opportunity
to conduct a review of some
current beachside office space
list listings which average
approximately $22 per square
foot annually. The identified
office space within the city
facility would provide PCI
at a monthly rate for $1,000,
which would include
infrastructure such as
Internet, water and
electricity. The agreement
would include an annual
consumer price index increase.
The terms of the arrangement
would be contingent upon the
city's ongoing contract
with PCI
for parking services. So, the
space is roughly about 32
square feet. Gwen's going to
see if she can possibly pop up
a picture. I apologize. There
was supposed
to be an exhibit A
with this lease agreement
for you guys to see. And I
apologize that it did not get
put in. So, we're going
to be able to show it to you
this evening so you can see it
and then we'll make sure it's
part
of the agreement if it were
to get approved. So, as she's
bringing that up with that, I
will answer any questions.
>> You know I love math. You
anticipated my question.
>> I did. Those
of you who are familiar
with the lobby space
into the main building
of the public works
on one side and fire station
on the other. It's literally
just that area that has the
countertop. And
behind the rest of the lobby
space will be a shared space.
The fire department has things
on one side, the public works
will have things
on the other side. What's going
to be nice about it is right
now as you walk into the
facility when those front doors
are open because that entire
building is key card secured,
you have to pick up the phone
and call and have somebody
answer the line in order
to even get you out
of the lobby
to go anywhere else. So, when
PCI is there
during their schedule,
they'll be able to help assist
with the residents or
nonresidents who come
in and need to have service by
the public works or the fire
station. And, and, or
for just people who need
to go up too,
because we're having meetings
of some short,
which we do quite often
over there. So that is another
added benefit to this. So, this
depiction has the entire lobby
and as you can see on the
left-hand side. I don't know if
you're going to be able to.
Oh, there you go. Yeah, that'll
work. There you go, so at the
bottom you can see where it
says the 32 square feet.
That's the area that they are
going to be housed in box
within a box.
>> Yeah, you know,
they have access to it.
But I note on the. Essentially
if in the event the parking
management agreement is
terminated,
which correct me if I'm. Isn't
there
like a 30-day termination
on that.
>> So, this would also
terminate
on the same timeframe.
>> Correct.
>> Okay.
>> Is parking going
to be a challenge
for citizens coming up to.
>> So right now, based upon the
front area where the public
works side of things,
those are staying open anyways.
And there are at least two
spots as well as two handicap
spots. So those would stay
remain open for residents able
to come and deal. I did have a
conversation with PCI. There
are some times where I think
Tuesdays are
like their busiest days.
But most of the time they don't
have a whole lot
of traffic that's coming
in and out. Mainly they deal
with residents and nonresidents
out in the field when they're
out by the beaches. And then
they're going to have two
designated spots that will work
out to where best suits
for that.
>> I think one of the things
that was brought up in the past
was people would say,
you know this Satellite beach,
this does satellite beach
parking. Why is there office
outside of Satellite Beach? I
heard that comment more than
once. So, I think that would
at least from concerned
citizens perspective who made
those observations that hey,
this is out of the city,
should be in the city, belongs
to the city. It would solve
that issue anyways,
put it closer. And
since everybody seemed
to show up
to city hall anyways, asking
about this puts it closer
in range. Instead
of telling hey, you turn around
and go drive all the way up A1A
and to go to the office.
>> The office manager.
>> Ashley?
>> Ashley. I thought it was
Ashley and then I wasn't sure.
I talked to her,
she was excited about this.
She thought this was going
to be really good. Is she going
to keep the same office hours?
>> Yeah. So, I think the plan
right now is to be Tuesday,
Wednesday and Thursday from 9
to 3. I think their hours
actually are like 10 to 4.
But I think we've asked them
to adjust them to be 9 to 3.
It would help public works and
the fire department out a
little better that way so
they're amenable
to that. I also thought
with it being at the corner
of Jackson and A1A obviously
that puts it closer
to the beaches. And actually,
Ashley actually lives in here
in Satellite beach. So that
Was a nice feature as well
to have that as well.
>> And they also service
Indian harbor beach now. Yes.
>> And I don't. I'm just
curious. So, would Indian
harbor folks be potentially
coming in there as well?
>> The potential is there.
Yeah.
>> Wouldn't be a lot of.
There's not a lot of spaces
down there.
>> No.
>> Yeah, no, I'm just. I just
was just curious
about that. I mean,
it's there. It's their space
to use for their commercial
purposes as they see fit,
not limited to Satellite beach
business.
>> Any further up here,
questions wise. If not,
I'll open it up
to citizens comment
on agenda item 10
by carried comment on it
hearing none. I'll bring it up
here. Nothing further. I'll
entertain a motion
for this.
>> I'll make a motion
to approve lease agreement
between the city of Satellite
beach and PCI Services LLC.
>> Second.
>> Okay, motion.
>> Second. There's nothing
further. Gwen?
>> [ CALLING ROLL]
>> Motion passes.
>> All right, Next, agenda item
11, discuss take action
on regulating smoking vaping
on city property.
>> Thank you, Mayor. So, this
item is brought to you as the
last council meeting. It was
discussed and we wanted to
bring some additional
information. The staff has
worked to gather that
information that is part
of your packet this evening.
So really, we just wanted
to provide that to you and then
provide us some discussion
about what to consider and what
as you're looking into this.
So, with that,
we'll leave it up
for open discussion and be
happy to discuss it. Our police
chief is here, Fire chief is
here, Recreation director is
here. All of those departments
that would be affected
by making these types
of changes. So, I wanted
to have them all here
for expertise
to help answer some
of the questions that you may
have.
>> All right.
>> Who would like to start?
Anybody got any questions,
thoughts, theories?
>> It being delayed again as a
topic has brought a lot
of comments
from the citizens,
which is what we want, right?
We want
to represent the citizens. And
the more that we discuss it,
and unfortunately it seems
like a delay,
but the more we discuss it,
the more input we have. So.
And that's a wonderful thing. I
know we've received emails
at our council. Email addresses
of course, correspond
with some of those directly.
And there is an overwhelming
consensus, I guess,
for the ban, based on
observations that citizens have
seen the negative aspect,
the unfortunate negative aspect
of the smoking and vaping
on our beaches,
on our walkways and
on our citizens seems to be
overwhelmingly supporting this.
An ordinance
to ban smoking and vaping
on city property. What I've
read is there are some areas
that should not even be
questionable as far as
approaches go. Beach access
goes, public parks goes. There
may be some questions regarding
the open beach. There was a
discussion on don't allow it in
parking lots because we'll
still get butts on in the
parking lots. I heard we also
have last time we talked about
distributing those ashtrays
that were provided to us by the
SWAT team students awareness
and the ashtrays we have out
there are full and it's just
creating more workload
for our city staff. Go clean
ashtrays. We don't want to get
in that business per se. So,
I'm just trying to create
conversation amongst us,
amongst all of us right. That
are sitting
out there too that it seems to
be more overwhelming than I
anticipated
to have such an ordinance
in place. So that's a positive
thing. We're moving in a common
direction.
>> I'll jump in.
>> Yes, please.
>> Yes, my view
on this is unchanged
since the last meeting. Not
because I'm stubborn,
although I am. You know I have
had more time to think
about it. I don't,
I don't think I've counted it
but I've had as I think it
feels like I've had as much
feedback those in terms
of emails and just talking
to people on this as I've had
about a lot of other things.
Maybe parking's up there and
some other stuff but it's been
a fair amount and all trending
in a direction that I think is
supportive
of the same position
of sticking
with the ordinances presented
at the last meeting which it
looks like would be consistent
with Melbourne Beach. I do
philosophically understand the
concept of trying
to do carve outs. My practical
concern with that is the
exception swallowing the rule
and creating enforcement
headaches
for staff and you know, like I
said so I think it's. I think a
ban on smoking and vaping is
reflected in what Melbourne
beach had and what was
presented
at the last meeting. That
remains my position I will
note. And I emailed the city
manager, maybe the assistant
city manager too just to remind
myself because I'm a bit of an
absent-minded professor
personality type. I hadn't
really been paying attention
but I went for a run
around the city as I need
to do more of but still do an
occasionally and I was happened
to be this was on my mind. I
was shocked and appalled by how
many cigarette butts I saw
adjacent to the
to the sidewalk notably along
Jackson in front of all that
city property there. The
schools, the new beautiful,
you know Fire and public works.
So, I don't want
to get too preachy,
because I try not to do that.
But its people are not being
responsible who are choosing
to still smoke cigarettes in
2025. So that's my view.
>> Jody. Steve, so my concern
is with enforcement. And, you
know, again, so we make a rule
saying that you can't smoke or
in or vape in this area. Who's
out there enforcing,
and that's on another citizen.
But then what is the punishment
once the police respond
to that? Because if you don't
have punishment,
what's the point? So, we would
have to discuss what would be
the citation and the penalty
for somebody else complaining
on another person and actually
having enforcement show up.
Otherwise it's a useless rule.
So, we have to be aware
of that. I agree. And I
appreciate putting in the
citation penalties section here
to let us know what other
cities and stuff are doing,
because you make a good point,
right? I mean, it's good
to know that information, what
other folks are doing or what
they've had to deal with
Jody.
>> I'm still listening to
everybody right now.
>> I will tell you. I think I'm
in agreement with most folks.
Most of the comments and stuff
I heard are largely banned.
The only one, the only thing
that I actually heard
from actually a couple folks,
was just
about a designated smoking
area. But the only place they
brought that up was at Pelican
beach, mainly because of the
pavilions and family gatherings
and all that other stuff that
goes on there. And it's
probably one
of our larger areas. So that
was the only one that they
said, you know, would there be
a, designating a designated
spot, a smoking spot somewhere
in that area? I mean, that
could be troublesome only
because you're close
to the beach also that's there,
and you have a playground
that's also there. So, you
know, and you can't get too far
away because you got the
volleyball area there and all
that other stuff. But that, I
mean, that's just the only
other comment that I,
that I got out of it,
that someone had just mentioned
that, and that was the only
place they mentioned it, not,
not anywhere else or any other
property or crossovers or
anything. So that was the only
part that I, that I heard
from that I see where
Melbourne beach has their
citation, which in Atlantic is
pretty much similar to that,
other than Palm Bay kicks you
out of the park.
>> Yeah, I said, I said
Melbourne beach,
it's a combination of Palm Bay
and Milk, is not exactly
like any anyone else will
Pretty close to Melbourne beach
and Palm Bay. That Melbourne
beach has a fine.
>> There's. It's not allowed in
parks and beaches. I guess it
doesn't specify other city
property combat.
>> So, I didn't mean
to jump in. No, no, no,
that's good. And I just.
Looking at some of the issues
to consider, I certainly,
certainly would think we'd have
to have signage, and I know
in the harbor does,
because you can see it at
Gleason Park. You can see it
from the road. When you're
driving down the road,
it's there. It says that,
which would be good. You know,
I'm kind of like you. I'm good
with the way it was presented
the first time. I don't really
have any heartburn with that. I
guess I never really knew what
all those things were that I
saw that turned out to be vape
cartridges. I just. I guess
it's kind of
like you running.
>> Right.
>> If you're not looking
for it, you probably don't.
Don't see it.
But you're right. You know,
my last trip to the beach this
past weekend and what I saw,
even around the trash cans,
by the crossover and
on the crossover and going
down the stairs,
on the cross crossover and
at the bottom of the stairs,
the crossover, you know, and
that was just one beach access
that there was quite a bit that
that was there. And obviously,
if it's not in the trash can,
it's not getting picked up.
So. Amen for all our folks who
do regular beach cleanups.
Can't say how much we
appreciate you folks that do
that because it certainly needs
to be done. It's a mess
out there.
>> Is it kind of safe
to assume? And I appreciate the
staff putting this metric
together. Is it fairly safe to
assume that cities that allow
and allow? They just don't have
an ordinance that says you
can't have it? They never
really tackled the topic
correct. Okay. So, if it says
Melbourne allows and allows it,
it's because they never really
brought it back up to them.
Okay.
>> I think for the most part,
I mean, this is a relatively
new ordinance that the state
finally approved.
>> Yeah. It's mainly due to
that legislation that got
passed. And so, some of the
cities have taken the
opportunity to take a look
at it and put an ordinance
in place.
>> So, it's not like it's been
around for 50 years and no
one's ever done anything
about it. It is a relatively
very new ordinance. So, I think
just. Just like as we are,
it's. It's Just coming around
for people to look
at it and come up with that.
It's probably why there's not
as many in there. But I foresee
that will probably change.
>> I will tell you that the
students that were here are
making a full force effort
to get to all of the cities,
including the county,
to help try to get this done
with all the cities. So, yes, I
would agree.
>> I've got some more stuff I
want to go over, but I'd like
to wait till after citizens
comments because it we may hear
from them.
>> I was just going to. And the
chief just walked out
but I absolutely don't want
to see smoking or vaping
at our city parks or beaches.
My concern is enforcement and
what that does
to our city staff. So, can you
share any concerns?
>> I'll be honest. I think
it's. I mean, you're going
to face this in the next item
that we're going to talk about.
I think we all know that there
are things that happen that
may or may not be against an
ordinance. I think that it's
more about those things, that
this would give us an
opportunity to use it when it
becomes a problem. You know,
if somebody is out
in the parking lot near nobody
else and is smoking a cigarette
and isn't bothering anyone
because no one else is
around and no kids are around,
I don't foresee our officers
going
to that person and telling him
to put it out. You know what I
mean? But, you know,
if there's a group
of kids that are on the
crossover and they're all
smoking and families are trying
to cross the crossover to get
to the beach, those would be
the opportunities where I think
that this would come more
into play, especially
at the playgrounds,
at the fields. You know,
an opportunity to tell that
parent who might be smoking
on the bleachers or vaping
on the bleachers too,
that it's not allowed. That's
where I think the enforcement
is going to come
into play.
>> Open it up for citizens.
Comment on agenda item 11. If
anybody wants to speak.
Please, sir. Yes, just come
upon. Give us your name, sir,
please.
>> Honorable members
of the city council,
my name is Ted Hunt. Can you
hear me? Okay. A resident of
Satellite Beach. I hope that
you will accept a few
of my ideas for consideration
and discussion. I think we've
not clearly identified a
specific public benefit of this
proposal other than it feels
good, we want it, it feels
good. I think that we have
another issue, which is the
potential benefits as compared
to the potential costs. We
haven't really identified what
the problem is and how this is
proposed
to resolve the problem. What is
the supporting data that a
problem even exists
in the first place?
In other words, how many
complaints have been received
specifically
about smoking or vaping
in the parks or at the beach?
And what is the nature
of those complaints, if
in fact any have been received?
Who complained? Is it the same
person or is its multiple
persons? And what
about the persons about whom
the complaints have been made?
What are the dates,
times and locations
of these complaints? And the
most important that you already
have addressed is how do you
intend
to enforce this ordinance? If I
understand Florida law
correctly and if it complies
with law throughout most
of the states, a peace officer
can make an arrest if a felony
is being committed
in his or her presence, if a
misdemeanor is being or an
infraction is being committed
in their presence,
but they cannot make one. They
cannot make a misdemeanor or
infraction arrest if that
misdemeanor infraction is not
being committed in their
presence. I could be wrong on
Florida law, but I don't think
so. I think the other issue
that we need to address are the
direct and indirect costs which
have already been exposed
on this proposal. And what are
the estimated future costs that
will see this proposal through
to implementation. Thank you
for your consideration.
>> Thank you, sir. Floor is
still open. Anybody cares
to comment?
>> Thank you, Council, it's
Robert chase. I'm at 796
Ocean Drive. You know,
I'm thankful for the email
responses I received and I
heard this had been tabled and
I took a few pictures on my
morning walk the next day.
So, I'm in favor of a total
ban. I think the smoking rate
is 12%. It goes
down every year. It's kind of a
problem that's resolving itself
slowly in the country. But we
know secondhand smoke is
harmful. But the biggest issue
in Satellite beach is the sheer
amount of litter, especially
around the beach accesses.
And, you know, I get thinking
about carve outs, but it really
is a small percentage
of people that keeps going
down each year. Enforcement's
tough. You know, I know. You
know, we walk every morning
along, you know,
past four beach accesses. It's
normal for police
to be patrolling that as part
of their normal route. So, you
know, I think they'll have to
ask the morning crew that shows
up and will change smoke at
Access is watching Sunrise or
idle their cars at Shell
Street. You know, just have
to ask them. You can't do that
anymore. And they'll move
along. I think that's a
particular problem area as our
southern beaches abandoned,
those folks migrated north and
that's where we're getting. A
lot of the litter issues. And
really what fires me up walking
every single morning and either
seeing all. This discarded or
the same people camped out
on the accesses. So, you know,
I appreciate what I heard
tonight. So, thank you.
>> Thank you
for the photographs.
Appreciate that. Floor's still
open
for a citizen's comments.
Anybody else cares to speak?
All right. Hearing none. I'll
bring it back up here. You have
more, Mike?
>> I have just a little bit
more. Trying to key off
of what,
what problem we're trying
to resolve. We are not trying
to fix anybody's health,
although that's a positive
off this.
But what we're trying
to resolve is this litter.
So, I've got an email here of
an individual that walks a few
times a day actually picks up
cigarette butts that this
individual sees and says,
I can't keep up
with the overwhelming amount
of discarded cigarette butts,
especially near the walkovers
Magellan Sunrise and Shelf
Street. So, I resonate
with what said. You have
to understand the problem. If
there was no litter, then the
only resolving problem we have
is just smelling it. But we
have this litter problem too.
So that's really what we're
trying to address. And we're
trying to address it where it
doesn't put burden back
on our city staff having
to clean up ashtrays. And if we
have something in place and
there becomes a nuisance, then
that's when the police can step
in. And a lot of these places
are high visibility places.
Right. We do,
I believe we do run. The police
run by these approaches. They
run down Shell Street. If
individuals are sitting there
smoking and creating a
nuisance,
then now they can go up to them
and educate them and ask them
to move on.
>> That would just probably
address the. It's probably not.
Again, an assumption
on my part. There's probably
not been a lot of complaints
because there isn't really
anything you could do
about it. I mean, it's not,
it's not banned. It's not,
there's not an ordinance
against it. So, there's no rule
that says you can't do that
currently. So, if you were
doing it to complain, I don't
know what good that would do.
There is a law against it.
There's an anti-littering law
against $500. Right. But that's
the issue we're addressing is
littering. Not the health
issue, not the smell issue.
It's the littering according
to what councilman Chase just
said there's already a law that
exists. So therefore,
we would be repeating a law
on top of a law which is a
useless law that our police
have to enforce
for no good reason,
because there's already a law
in existence.
>> For me, it's not just the
littering. You know what I
mean? Like, and I do,
without getting
to the officers, have to
witness the person littering,
which they're probably not
going to do in front
of an officer.
But if they can't smoke
at all, then there, you know,
clearly people. We can all look
around and see the people who
are smoking in the community,
in the community are littering
a lot out. I think that we can
all agree to that. If you've
been
to the beach access and I
talked about
on the sidewalks, I knew
about it at the beach access
because I went out there and
done cleanups and everything
else. But I was kind of shocked
when I started paying attention
on the sidewalks and the public
buildings. But to me, look,
I feel strongly that the
government,
specifically the municipal
government, shouldn't be
in the nanny state business
of telling people not
to do things because of the.
Their own health. There is a
secondary issue where people,
and it's crazy, but they.
People do it. And
in my experience,
people can be kind of entitled
about it, especially people who
are still smoking cigarettes
in 2025 in public about, you
know, doing it at a park or,
you know, vaping it at a park
or sporting facility or stuff
like that. Like, people should
be able to feel comfortable to
take their kids or themselves,
but particularly young people,
to one of our public
recreational facilities
without being exposed
to secondhand smoke, be it vape
smoke or cigarette smoke. And
the other thing about having
the ordinance is that then you
can say, hey, you know, look
at the sign, or, you know,
it's not allowed
on city property. As opposed
to having to get into, as a
citizen, like a moral argument
with the person essentially
saying, like, hey, I think
you're being irresponsible
by smoking at this public place
where other people are. It
gives cover. I feel like
for citizens to point
to that, hopefully law
enforcement doesn't have
to get involved,
but if they needed to,
if someone was being unruly,
it gives them cover to do it.
That's kind of how I, and I do
think that if you have a
designated area,
then it's going
to be a dispute
about whether or not you're in
the designated area or not or
not. But, you know,
I hear the thing about, I don't
think that we should be doing
it to protect the smokers.
Because people can make
whatever, you know,
in my mind,
they can make whatever
informed, hopefully,
decisions they want
to make or not make about their
own physical autonomy,
but not other people
on public property.
>> What did you say?
>> If we remove the cause
of the litter and that's going
to help.
us with the litter,
but that goes
on personal recognizance.
Yeah. Which obviously they're
not paying attention
to anyway.
>> Yeah.
>> So, what's the point? I
fully support smoking pits or
restricted areas,
whatever we want to call it,
but I'm fully on board
with parks and youth events.
And so that's why Brevard
County's example
to me is the best example.
Just it's not allowed in youth
areas and playgrounds.
>> I kind of consider the beach
a big youth area and
playground, though,
I guess.
>> Yeah. But the beach is also
where people go. And we've
already brought up the issue
with Pelican park and the
pavilions. People go there,
they have parties. What happens
at parties? The people drink.
Some drinkers tend
to smoke when they drink, and
now you're limiting that
effect. And so,
you're interfering
with personal rights. And we
have. I think that we have
to give them an opportunity to
exercise their personal rights
to kill themselves willingly
and knowingly by smoking. It's
not my problem that they want
to smoke,
but that's their choice. And
they can decide
to go do it away
from us downwind.
>> Without jumping to the next
topic. I think it's different,
though, because, yes,
you can extrapolate
from bad decisions made
after drinking and so forth,
but the actual act of drinking
has no externalities. No,
smoking does have externalities
like it does. I mean,
if you have people smoking
at one of those pavilions and
you have a bunch
of kids playing
at the playground, Granted,
prevailing winds are usually
out of the east, but
at the next pavilion over, you
got multiple pavilions there.
So, you've got a big group
of people, a bunch
of people who are smoking.
There is a health effect,
certainly an enjoyment
of the public facilities effect
on these people based upon the
choices here.
>> Okay, But a smoking pit,
seriously, it's away
from most facilities. Right.
So, it's a designated area.
They can walk
from their pavilion 100 yards
down the way. It's blocked off.
It's another little gazebo,
say, and they can smoke there
and then come back and do
whatever.
>> That's what I would envision
as a restricted area,
is a smaller area away from
other people that they would
walk to smoke.
>> Come back as a carve
out specifically at Pelican,
because we have the rented
pavilions and stuff there.
>> Personally, it works
anywhere and.
But I would not want it to be
at like Cinnamon Park. A little
too small for that, but
Hightower park,
maybe you could fit it
in because again, that would
address the crossover issue
that has been brought up and
maybe the parking lot issue,
even. I don't know where you
put it.
>> Yeah. And I mean,
you've got the sports field,
the other large facility, you
know, of children designed for.
I mean, adults play sport there
too.
>> Let's just say we outlawed
it. We just said no. No city
property, no beaches. Just a
what if. How much of the beach
do we actually can enforce?
High water mark, low water. I
mean, there's. Is there some
weirdness on the beach? It's
that says you really can't
enforce our rules,
our municipality rules
on the beach. I'm kind
of looking at Brittany,
but I'm kind of staring back
over to the chief
over there. I mean,
are we just talking
in circles here? Because
there's nothing we can do
about it anyway? Or as the
beach goes, okay, standing
with the dogs. I mean, you
know, like not to bring up an
old favorite.
>> True. Any other thoughts?
Concerns?
>> Are we trying to craft an
ordinance? Is that what you're
trying to.
>> It's obviously completely up
to all of you if you. I mean,
we brought the ordinance. We
needed
to do some additional research.
That's what this is. So, I just
need either some direction
either to bring you back what
we provided the last meeting
with some possible edits
to it and. Or nothing at all.
Like, that's completely up to
you.
>> I personally think we have a
problem, and we have a problem,
particularly on access points
on the beach. We have that
problem today. So, we need
to craft something
to remedy that,
to mitigate that problem,
at least in that area. Now,
good judgment says we're not
going to be smoking on
bleachers when I'm watching a
game. That's good judgment. But
not everybody practices the
good judgment. So, do we extend
our concern
to athletic fields? Well, it
seems like we should. So, do we
increase that area? And then
how much do we keep increasing?
I'm not personally for smoke
pits because I don't want the
city to have the burden
to create a smoke pit and
to clean a smoke pit. Just
words.
>> We already clean it anyway.
>> Well, we're cleaning
everything right now anyway,
but I'm just trying to relieve
the burden and put the
responsibility back where it
belongs. If you Want to come
to the beach in Satellite
beach, you can't smoke. That is
one way to look at it.
>> Or the ball fields. I mean
that's.
>> I think it needs to be the.
>> Parks that might be. It's
got the parks and the ball
fields need
to be included as well.
>> So, should we carve
out where exceptions are? And
then even parking lots to me is
not a good exception because
we're going
to have cigarette butts
in parking lots now. So, I
don't know if there's any real
exception that we can have.
>> After all this and after
reading the initial ordinance
that we brought, I don't know
that anything we've stuck here
changes my mind on what we
already had the first time. I
mean, I think going as you said
and as some of the citizens
have sent us their thoughts,
their comments, their pictures,
their experiences on there. I
think I've personally. It's
given me more enforcement on. I
agree with what we had the
first time around. Now that
we've had more data brought
to us, so to speak. Right.
More information is brought
more what other cities are
doing,
what the rule is. I just again,
personally I don't. I don't
think I've uncovered anything
that swaying my decision
from what was brought
to us the first time. That's
just my thoughts personally
on it.
>> The same like I said. And I
can intellectually, I do
intellectually appreciate
council member Sams point,
but I just. Like I said,
I'm worried about the. As a
practical matter, the exception
swallowing the rule and it
creating more of an enforcement
headache if we try
to do carve outs. So, while
appreciating that
intellectually,
I'm practically at the same
place as the mayor.
>> Which is the same place I
was before Mike. Do you happen
to have a copy
of the ordinance from last
time?
>> I don't. I didn't know.
Those extra papers you were
holding.
>> Yeah, no, those are all
emails.
>> Okay. Did it just say parks
and beaches?
>> No, I think it said all city
property.
>> All city property.
>> I have it up. I can read it
to you.
>> It said smoking and vaping
at city.
>> Parks and on public beaches
prohibited.
>> That was the title.
>> And it just said it shall
be.
>> Unlawful for any person
to smoke within.
>> The boundaries
of any public park or.
>> At any public beach located
within the city.
>> This prohibition includes
use of any vapor generating
devices as that term is defined
by Florida law.
>> Then it said the city
manager or.
>> Designee shall conspicuously
post or cause to.
>> Be posted signs setting
forth the
above prohibitions and the
Final section,
with the only exception to the
above prohibition is.
>> Unfiltered cigars whose
regulation remains preempted
as.
>> Set forth in Florida
statutes with my Editor's Eye
today. You're missing an L on,
on the, on the initial
introduction there.
>> If we bring it back.
>> See what I'm talking about?
>> So, parks would include
sports fields.
>> Yes.
>> And the area out here.
Right. I mean
like the garden would be, you
know, like this,
like the.
>> I mean, I think that if, if
we, if we're going
to say city parks and beaches,
if you were to decide this
truly is a city park, then
those signs would just go
there. So, I think that's
something that you guys could
help determine.
which
where would you
like all those signs to go?
And what we would consider
parks in the community.
>> But the intent is parks,
ball fields, beaches.
>> Correct.
>> I'm good with it.
>> I'm okay with that.
>> What we can do is when we
bring it back, we can go. We
can provide a list of where we
think would be the best places
and then if we need
to add or subtract
from that list,
we can do so.
>> And I would just say
in terms of enforcement,
we kind
of are a city that always
begins with educating, which I
think just getting the word out
would be most important. I do
think that I kind of like
Indian harbor beaches. If we're
going, if we're going
to go a citation route,
I prefer their citations to the
others.
>> I mean a policy of a warning
as an initial map.
>> I mean, just
to answer one issue
about the enforcement, the way
that our code is set up is that
a person can be cited
for a violation
of the code just by the general
penalty provisions that are
in the code, which provides
for up to $500 fine or six
months in county jail, which
obviously that's not what you
want to do, so.
But you also have the ability
to say that it would be a
non-criminal offense and say
that this is what the charge is
going to be. Similar to. I
guess it was harbor that had
the right three levels
of fines. So that would. I'm
guessing that Brittany would
like some direction
on that too.
>> I'd like to see us when we
figure out where it's going
to go is not overburden us
with signs, you know, and if we
have a problem distinguishing
between a park and a playground
or anything like that,
then we need to simplify. City
property, I mean, even
out here in the breezeway,
discourage that takes somebody
that would be irresponsible,
real irresponsible
to do it right in front
of the doorway.
But it could happen.
>> And does it happen?
>> Not really. I mean it's a
professional environment.
>> Is that when we plan this
thing out, let's try
to plan it with.
>> Much simplicity as we can
and reduce.
>> Any burden that we have.
>> Putting signs out. I think I
agree with you, Mark. I think
isn't it. And Chief M. I'm sure
tell you is just as a matter
of community policing. You
usually leave that up
to an officer's dis discretion,
whether he's going to give a
warning the first time or a
second time or he doesn't. I
mean, I certainly understand if
someone is smoking and he's
sitting on the boardwalk and
then he flicks the cigarette at
the officer. I don't think
that's a time for a warning
at that point. I think that's.
We've got way past that.
However, on the other side,
if you just have some out there
who's just doing it who may not
know that that's the rule, I
would believe the discretion
would be education first.
Hey, you can't do that. Hey,
there's a sign over there. It
says you, you can't do that.
Please put that out. And that's
that. Similar
to the way they would do a lot
of other things. I mean,
I think you, you used your
discretion whether it's really,
really warranted or not,
depending on the situation.
That's why I just say. I don't
think you want to say that the
first time will always be a
warning. However, we want
to go with what we currently
do. I think with our current
community policing is we try
to educate first if we can. If
it warrants something more than
that, then we take the
appropriate action as we do
anything else. And let's not
change what we do. Just stick
as we do and let them, let them
do their job the way they do
their job.
>> Trust the sound discretion
of the officers.
>> Yes, I agree. And then again
then you could have the tiered
approach to that. You know,
if you're actually going
to cite somebody, the first
citation would be or do like
Harbor. You know,
the first citation is $50.
Second time could be $100. If a
third and
on forever ever comes up,
then it's 250 every time
after that. I mean,
I don't really have a problem
with that approach. I mean it's
probably a little bit lighter
than if you look at Melbourne
beach or in the Atlantic. It
was, you know, 100 the first go
around. I mean, I'm okay
with that. Too. I think that's
a reasonable approach
to it. I'll open up for.
Since we're trying
to make some decisions here,
please.
>> You know, it's pretty easy
to count the votes. This is
going to go forward. If it goes
forward. And as you're crafting
the language, could you please
include something that would
prohibit the use
of marijuana? And I don't know
if it has
to be specifically stated,
the smoking of marijuana,
whether it's. Eventually it's
going to pass and it's going to
become something that you will
have to face. So, if you could
put that into this ordinance
that you're crafting,
I would really appreciate that.
Thank you.
>> Good point, sir. Thank you
for bringing that
to our attention. I mean, I
know we say smoking and vaping.
Is that. Do you have
to define that somewhere? How
that gets put
out there? I'll have to take a
look again. I think it would be
better because vaping started
as marijuana use anyway.
Right. So, we probably want
to include that. So just. Just
looking at what you have
in there for issues
for consideration, do you. Do
you see. Is there anything
on their else that we need
to talk about or. That wasn't
included in the original?
>> I think I just need the
consensus that you want me
to put the citations like
Indian Harbors is that.
>> I'm okay with that,
with the direction.
>> I'm good with that.
>> Okay.
>> All right, then we will. We
will draft it and bring it
to the next. The next council
meeting.
>> I'm good with that.
>> Everybody, there's just
to bring up a kind of go
on the point that was just made
with marijuana. A medical
marijuana user would still fall
into this category. Yeah, you
can use it at home. Just don't
bring it to the beach. Right.
So, I'm kind of looking at Jim
to see does that have
to be specific in the ordinance
or is that understood?
>> I have to look.
>> Okay, okay.
>> You just outlawed it, so.
No, he's covered. He's not
covered. He has to do it
at home just
like the smokers. Yeah.
>> It sounds like it's already
in the law. So, you're not
allowed to smoke it
in five public.
>> So that would be
unnecessary.
>> Even if someone carries a
medical marijuana card. Card.
>> Okay.
>> They. They can stand there
with a medical.
>> Marijuana card and keep
comings all day.
>> Long and there's nothing
anything like you.
>> About it, but you,
you fire that.
>> Up and you got
to come.
>> Okay.
>> So, you have enough info on
that? I think a good consensus
on everything. Okay. All right,
moving on to agenda item 12.
Discuss, take action on
regulating alcohol consumption
on city property.
>> Thank you, Mayor. So, this
one is because it was asked
about to bring forth. So, it's
the same, the same thing. We
brought some staff,
has put together some
of the things that are going
on around some
of the other communities.
But just wanted
to make sure that you were
aware of what's currently
in our language. The current
ordinance prohibits alcohol
consumption
on any city owned streets,
sidewalks or properties except
under permit at specific
facilities that include the
Civic center, the DRS
Community Center, Sampson's
Island, Pelican beach park and
Pelican Beach Clubhouse. So
again, there is data here
from the surrounding
communities in Brevard county,
including Brevard County. And
then some issues
for key issues
for some consideration
to discuss some
of the special events, parks
and beaches and then how you
might want to see those,
if you were to include those,
how you would like
to see those addressed and
for future things.
>> So just looking
at this as a whole, does
everybody see what I see that.
I guess the first thing that
jumped out
to me is other than Cocoa
beach, everybody has it. Not
allowed in general.
>> I like Melbourne beach once
again here, if I'm reading this
correctly.
>> Okay. Yeah. Not restricted
by anything.
>> Except for parks.
>> There is a reason
for why we don't want
to openly advertise a can
of beer walking
down the street. And I was kind
of wondering if. Chief, is
there bad things? I mean,
knowing who we are as a city.
Sorry to put you on the spot,
but knowing who we are as a
city and we are, at least
in my area, we're becoming very
kid friendly because we have a
lot of new families moving in
with little kids and we are
representing them, recognizing.
I see my neighbors walking
around and they're walking
around with cans of beer
on them or whatever. It has a
different meaning
to kids and then it also may
have a different meaning
to law enforcement. So really
the question is,
to law enforcement. What's the
biggest plus for the city not
allowing alcohol consumption
on a street compared
to allowing it.
>> The direct answer to that
question would be just what we
talked about earlier. It would
just give us another tool
to be able
to address a situation that,
where people are engaging
in behavior that's not good,
but hasn't risen to any
criminal level or any level
that we could do anything
about,
but we know it's going to.
That would just give us the
ability to say, listen, you,
you got a beer. You're not
allowed to have that. It's
against the law. So why don't
you Just head home. It's really
the same situation as it's not
allowed on the beach. And if we
have a situation
on the beach,
which we don't very often,
but every once
in a blue moon, you get two
people fishing and they get
into an argument. If they've
both been drinking and they got
stuff with them,
we can just use that to say,
listen, you guys got stuff
you're not supposed to ask.
You probably want to just pack
them up and find a ride home.
That that's a tool that we
would have to use
in that situation.
>> So, not that I went behind
the chief's back or anything,
but I did speak to an officer
and he basically echoed what
you said, and he gave me an
example where they had a bunch
of people at the skate park and
they were there and they were
drinking beer. And it got
to the point where he was able
to say, hey,
you can't do that here. Why
don't you pack it up and leave
as just saying you're not
out there trying to run
around and find people drinking
on the beach or anywhere else.
However, you can use it if the
situation arises, as you said,
as a tool
to curb a situation or
behavior.
But we're not paying folks
to go out there to run up and
down the beach looking
at everybody's cooler
to see what's going on
out there. And I would tend to
agree. I think we've had
discussion I don't know how
many times. Whether it's code
enforcement or everything else
that we talk about in the city
of Satellite Beach. We always
just try to say is unless
someone points it out
to be a problem,
unless it becomes an issue,
then we address the issue. If
it's not a problem, then
everybody just leaves it alone.
And then we just address it
that way. Like I said,
I think we kind of do that
with most things
around here. I don't much to, I
would say some citizens
chagrin. I don't see cops
for flying down the street
in the car
with their lights on,
chasing kids
with no helmets on, although I
see them every day. I saw them
today on my way home
from work. Kids that I know
that are not 16 years old and
they're riding around
with no helmets on.
But again, I'm short
of they ride right by them.
That might be a different
story, but I don't look
for us as a community to run
around trying
to find stuff. I think all
of our people have better
things to do than to do that,
but you should have that option
or that available to you.
Should you need it
to do that? Which, again,
I would just say, historically,
as a city, we've done that
in a lot of ways.
Like I said, we've done a lot
of code enforcement that way.
We're just kind of talking
about that
with the smoking thing. You
know, the idea is if it's a
problem,
we address the problem. It's
not a problem. I mean, I would
like to. I would say the same
thing about dogs on a beach,
much to a lot
of citizens chagrin, which.
That probably. You probably get
a lot more calls on that than
you would want.
>> I twitch just when you say
dogs on the beach.
>> Good night.
>> Designated hours. I stand
by my
>> There's a solution.
>> I agree, yes. Designated
hours.
>> It just kills me.
>> But, you know,
on the same hand is, you know,
I would say there's no bad
pets,
there's just bad pet owners.
So, if people would behave
appropriately and not cause a
problem, you may not have a
problem. And I think when we
talk about. When we talk
about parking
on the beach and that some of
the things that were brought up
by the committees and what they
brought to us was the behavior
that was going on
at the beach,
people burying diapers
in the sand and all those type
of things that was going on.
That was the problem. That was
the problem at hand,
that we had to come up
with a solution to address that
problem.
>> I appreciate the practical
point in the. That you're
making, but I guess I kind
of come back
to the philosophical point that
Councilman Sams made,
is that if. If an adult is
consuming alcohol responsibly
in an aluminum, not glass,
because there's an externality
there, you know, like, you
know,
that's really an exercise
of their individual liberty,
in my view. That being said,
said we don't want our city
to be a, you know, target
for flash mobs
of irresponsible people. But I
don't know the. I was a
prosecutor in Georgia, so I
know their criminal code a lot
better than I know ours.
Hardly here at all.
But it's like, there's.
Disorderly conduct is a crime
up there. It's not just that
you're intoxicated. You have
to show boisterousness, I
think, is like, what's
in the code. So, if you were
being disorderly,
I'm sure there's somewhere
in the floor of code that would
cover public intoxication or
disorderly conduct or something
of that nature. If your
intoxication is causing you to.
You know,
I get that this allows room
for discretion
below that level. And that
point is well taken. So, I
just, I can't. The reason it
came to me is I was reading the
statute. You know, it's
like I can't think
of a good argument as to why a
responsible adult should not be
able to drink a beer
in an aluminum, you know,
container on one of our beaches
or our sidewalks or park,
for that matter.
>> Well, because you're
influencing the kids,
remember?
>> Yeah, that I, That's a. I
mean, you could get
to that straw man that goes,
that goes into any. That goes
into really, you know,
public hygiene type, you know,
arguments that I don't.
>> So, I guess my question is.
And, you know, I appreciate
that, you know, you looked
at the current ordinance, but
I. So, I would go back and say
this difference from. This
differs from the smoking
ordinance because we didn't
have one. So, we're trying
to solve that issue. So, we
already have this ordinance.
It's already, it's
on the books. It's been this
way I don't know how many
years. It's probably been
on the books. But do you
perceive this as it's a current
problem or is it a current
issue? Do you see that as Do
you know, has it gone
around and infringed on anybody
that you know of?
>> No, no. It came
to me because I think we're,
the smoking ban, if you will,
was an amendment
to this same code section.
>> Yes.
>> And it occurred to me that
in and of itself, the conduct
that's being prohibited there,
as outlined by me, you know,
someone who's of age
with an aluminum container,
who's not. Other otherwise,
you know, who's not intoxicated
otherwise doing anything wrong.
I don't know that that should
be prohibited in our city. I
get the implication that that
person is not going
to necessarily be chosen
to have a. Have a problem
with that. Doesn't. I guess I
still theoretical things don't
still matter to me. So that's.
Why I brought it up.
>> May I make a comment?
>> Absolutely. Okay.
>> I don't see any reason
to change what we have
at this point, except I want
to ask Chief a question.
Currently, our enforcement or
penalties are not specified.
Are you still good with that?
Do you feel
like that part should change
at all? Are you good how it's
written?
>> Honestly, if you're asking
me that question,
then I would say if we're going
to address it and you want to,
it would be easier
in that particular section
to be able
to write a citation, because
right now as our city attorney
pointed out, every. Every
violation of our city ordinance
that doesn't have a particular
penalty attached to it as a
secondary misdemeanor. So, we
go from its either. It's like
0 to 100 and so
to have something in the middle
would be nice only because
you're talking about it and
because you asked me the
question, is it,
is it anywhere a big enough
deal for me to ever come
to the boss and say, hey, boss,
I'd like to bring this up
to the city council that we
need
to add a penalty or citations
for this not even close. So,
you could make it like a, like
a civil city code violation
type thing. Yeah, that's what
we were just talking. About
in the last one. So, if there's
a violation of the code. The
police department is able
to write ticket, whatever the,
whatever that, whatever.
>> The paperwork is, that they
will be filing it legally as a
second-degree misdemeanor
for a violation of the local
government code.
>> But what the chief is
suggesting is that we could
potentially provide a middle
way.
>> Yeah, just like you were
talking about
with the last ordinance. You
can make it a non-civil
infraction. I mean. Yeah, a
non-criminal infraction and
establish fines
for it.
>> I mean, if we're not going
to have a consensus
to really, you know,
that would be a,
that would be a middle. That
would be a middle way that I
think there might be more
consensus for. I mean,
it sounds consistent
with what we've talked
about here. You know, I don't
know, but like,
that's--
>> I'm not in agreement
with allowing it
on the beaches or parks,
so I wouldn't necessarily want
to change the ordinance,
except I was curious
about that. The amounts we were
talking about for smoking,
fifty hundred for those,
keeping them consistent
with the two. Or do you have
thoughts on that?
>> Yes, ma' am. If you all
chose, because you're here and
you're looking at it, it's
in front of you and you would
ask me the question. If you
choose to say, hey,
let's lessen this from an
actual secondary misdemeanor
to just civil citation, then
yes, the more consistent
across the board you are,
instead of having to go,
everyone's different. It's kind
of a, that's kind
of a hassle. But, but that's.
Again, I,
I don't care one way or
another. So, if I say anything
that sounds
like I'm trying to, I'm not. I
really, I don't make laws. I
enforce them. You do whatever
you do Whatever you say,
we'll take care of it. Not a
problem. But just because we
don't have that problem and
haven't had that problem.
That's why I've never come and
asked you that.
But because it was brought up,
sure. That'd be kind of nice
to be able to just say, listen,
because right now,
if there's a problem,
it's either knock it
off or you're going to get
arrested or knock it off,
you're going to get a ticket.
It's always easier if we can
just do that.
But that's just. If you feel
like you want
to go there and get there,
fine. If not, it's been
like this for the 38 years I've
been here,
and it's not a problem.
>> And what I was trying
to say, perhaps, and artfully,
is that there's not going
to be a majority
to move totally away from this.
I would view that as an
improvement because you don't
have people who are becoming a
criminal over behavior that I
don't think is harmful.
>> Okay.
>> And, I mean, I'm okay
with that,
with what you just said,
more or less. If the penalties
were basically the same that we
just said. I mean. Well, the
only thing I would say is that
we do need to add, you know,
DeSoto, Cateno park and the
sports park to our list
of places where you need,
what do you call.
>> It, like a permit or a
waiver?
>> Permits. Right.
>> So currently, right now,
you cannot have alcohol
at those parks, even if you did
have a special event permit.
>> So, I would say you have
to add those, number one.
But then I have a question.
How about Sherwood Avenue on
Halloween? Because nobody gets
a permit and most
of us are walking around
with alcohol, especially
after a certain point in the
night where the little kids
have gone.
>> I was really hoping nobody
was going to ask that question.
>> I lived there.
>> I was just really hoping you
weren't asking that question.
>> Absolutely. I'm going
to answer that question.
But I just. I was kind of
raising my hand because I
wanted to add that should you
all choose to do that,
I just wanted to confirm,
because we were talking about
other law violations that
generally would be associated
with that. And we have all
of those. We have disorderly
intoxication. We have all
of that stuff
to be covered if it ever rose
to a level that a ticket wasn't
good enough. So, we're covered.
Whether you implement citations
or not, we're covered. The
answer to the question is
pretty simple. It's blocked
off. Traffic's not allowed
to go through there. And as
long as someone doesn't give us
a reason to go look
in their direction, then we
just keep everybody
coordinated. And we. Now, if
they're walking
down the street with a bottle
of the bottle, then we.
Because now we don't have a
choice. Now you're standing
in front
of me committing a violation.
So, I have to say you have
to pour that
out or get rid.
>> Of it or whatever. Why is a
bottle different than a can,
though? Is there actually a law
that says glass?
>> No, no,
sir. I just use that term.
>> But, well,
because it matters.
>> Alcohol.
>> No, it does.
>> I agree. But I just meant
for our purposes,
if it's a can
of beer or a bottle
of vodka or whatever. It's
just. If you. If it's. If it's
in my face,
I don't have a choice. I have
to say, you have.
>> You can't throw that out
in public. But even a can that
can be identified as a
Budweiser can. Cause they're
pretty evident we're
against the law because we're
in the street.
>> That's correct. That's
absolutely correct. If you are
walking.
>> Yeah, I'm not cool
with that.
>> That's kind of my concern.
It's like, that's.
>> So, you keep kicking
over stones. We can be here
all-night kicking
over stones. Because all that
stuff exists
in the real world. We're using
practical experience to try to
assure that everybody walks
home safe at the end
of the day. What I like
to make sure we don't do
from our vantage point is,
is we talked
about instilling levels
of fines for something that
may be not needed there. What I
heard is that we're using this
ordinance. No alcohol,
as a tool to regulate something
that could expand the fisherman
as the example or anybody
walking on the street,
when you go up
to them and you say, hey,
you better go home. You can't
have this, or you dump it out.
I would think everybody goes,
oh, I'm sorry,
it's gone. I'm going home.
>> That works.
well, only those that are
throwing cans back at the
officer is when you're going
to escalate it
for the most part. And that's
when you want the civil
(INAUDIBLE). I mean,
you want.
>> That'd be assault.
>> Well, yeah,
but I guess what I'm getting
at is that's when you want
to turn the heat up. So, I
don't know if we need any
median ground. I don't know if
we need a 50, 100 and 250 fine.
Unless the chief Comes back
at a later time, says, hey, we
start, we need this now because
we got people that are
in the middle grounds.
>> Two things,
if you don't mind. I just want
to make it clear because I just
don't want there to be any
misconceptions. I'm not saying
that we condone or that we
allow intentionally anybody to
violate our law or the law or
our city ordinance on
Sherwood Avenue on Halloween.
All I'm saying is if you don't
give me. If there's two people
walking down the street and
they each are holding a solo
cup and their little kid in
costume and they don't give me
a reason to go, what's
in your solo cup? Then I assume
the assumption on our part is
we have intelligent, well
educated people here and they
know what's right and what's
not, and we assume that they're
following the law unless they
give us visual evidence
to believe otherwise. So, I
just didn't want you
to think that.
>> No, I didn't.
>> You're good.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah.
>> You're good.
>> It's important to me
for you to think. Well, wait a
minute. So, you just choose
to pick? No, we're not thinking
of choosing. It's just if you
don't give me a reason
to look, then I'm not going
to look.
>> Can I ask, Jitter, are you
good with going
to a civil penalty us to a
misdemeanor?
>> I was asking kind
of what your preference is
on that. If you were good as
the ordinance is written or
at this time, if we are going
to make any change, if that
would be something that would
be beneficial
to you and your department.
>> Again, we. We really. We
don't have a problem, Knock
on wood. So, I've never had
to even ever worry about it.
Only because we're talking
about it. I'm sitting here and
you ask me that, then the
answer truly is certainly if
there's another avenue rather
than going from 0 to 100.
Sure, that's fine. That's
better. If it doesn't pass,
is it going to ruin my night?
No, because we just. We have
just a good community who just
does the right thing 90%
of the time. Most
of the problems we have, folks,
are not even our people
in our own city. It's people
that come from other places.
Our community's engaged,
they're intelligent,
and they do the right thing 98%
of the time. So thankfully,
I've never had
to come ask the boss to say,
can I come talk to the council
to create some of These
restrictions or penalties or
whatever, because we just don't
need them as of right now.
>> But can you bring back model
language? Would that change
when we bring the smoking ban
back?
>> Yeah, we can bring back the
ordinance for the alcohol
to have that. The citation,
added citation,
and then educate consensus. If
you want me to add in
Frankatino park and the sports
park to be able
to have alcohol
on special events.
>> I would like that.
And the only reason I say that
is because we don't have the
open space like we used
to next to the rec center. So
we are moving some things to
DeSoto Field these days. I
could see us having an event
there
for some reason or other,
and we shouldn't.
>> Like the chief's retirement
party or something.
>> There you go.
>> No, but I'm serious. I think
it's. Yeah, I agree.
>> Yes, I agree. I mean,
I guess. Yeah, I think that
was. I think you brought those.
Those points about. And I think
you're right. We should include
them. They should be included
like the rest.
>> Do you want it
to just be all city facilities?
As long as we have a special
event permit,
I would not mind that.
>> That flexibility piece
in there.
>> Yeah, I'm okay
with that.
>> All right, then we will be
happy to draft it and bring it
to the next council meeting.
>> Parting words.
>> Just if that's where you're
going to go. I like that.
Because when someone applies
for a permit, we all have
to look at it. So, I know
what's going to happen,
when it's going to happen,
how many people are expected.
So, if you're going to go
in that direction, it does make
it a whole lot easier for us
to be prepared for it,
as opposed to just saying,
okay, we're opening up
to the whole city.
>> Not that I care if you did
that. I really don't.
But that if. If you were
to ask my opinion, I think that
that would be good. Special
activity permit. And you want
to have that, fine. Because we
already deal with that.
>> So. Like it. All right. We
all good with that one? Moving
on to agenda item 13.
Discuss. Take action on
Resolution 1072.
>> This one was pulled.
>> Oh, that's right. My bad.
Forgot that.
>> We'll come back to you
at a later date.
>> Okay, we're going to move
on to agenda item 14, which.
Which is a public hearing.
Discuss. Take action on
Ordinance 1270. Jim?
>> Ordinance number 1270, an
ordinance of the city of
Satellite Beach, Brevard
County, Florida, amending the
fiscal year 2024, 2025 budget,
ordinance number 1257,
providing an effective date.
This is the second reading
of ordinance number 1270.
>> There are no changes.
>> I was just going
to say no changes
since the first reading. Does
anybody have any questions
on this?
Since nothing's changed. My.
My questions got cleared up. I
don't understand parentheses. I
like plus minus.
>> It's weird.
>> It's hard for me
to understand. It's an
accounting thing,
I'm sure.
>> Right?
>> It is. That's what I was
told. I know. To me. To me. I
like red numbers because its
kind of spelled it spells it
out for me. I understand red
numbers, but it's in black and
white. I know. I get you. All
right. I will open up agenda
item 14 for citizens comment.
If anybody chooses to comment
on this second reading hearing.
None. I'll bring it back up
here. Nothing further. I'll
entertain a motion to accept
this.
>> I'll make a motion to adopt
ordinance number 1270
on second reading.
>> Second.
>> Okay, I'll move second. Any
further?
>> [ CALLING ROLL]
>> And that passes. And
we'll close that public
hearing. We don't need
to do the 1073. We took care
of that. Right. And so,
agenda items
for the next meeting. Well,
for the good of the order,
I have to say I will not be
at the meeting in two weeks. I
know you're so disappointed,
man.
>> I know.
>> Really?
>> Yeah. I'll tell you why I'm
disappointed after this,
but.
>> All right.
>> Beside the point. Brittany
areas I already talked
about that week,
so everybody sees those that
are in there. If there's
anything you would like
to add, take away, have
questions, please get
with staff on that. And that
meeting is June 18th at 6pm if
there's nothing further, if
there's anything that is that's
going to come up,
next meeting that you're going
to miss, and I would assume if
it means a whole lot to you,
we can pull it and move it.
>> Yeah.
>> I don't want you excluded
from it.
>> I can call you
from my car if you'd like.
Well, I just want.
>> I don't want you excluded
for something that you.
>> Yeah, that's why I say if
you do it, just get with staff
and you can mention it. I am
sure if you feel strongly,
something like that, until
Brittany, she'd be more than
happy to take it
off the agenda and pull it
to the next time
without issue. I'll look
into it. I'll let you know in a
week. I appreciate that.
>> Thank you.
>> Okay.
>> Don't let me know.
>> There's nothing further.
>> Sorry.
>> May ask one question.
>> Sure.
>> Do we meet? June, July 2?
>> No, we do not.
>> You get, like,