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>> Good evening, everybody.

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We are here for the

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City Council Regular Meeting,

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June 4, 2025,

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approximately 6:00pm Will you

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please join Councilmember Sams

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in a moment of silence and the

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pledge please?

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>> Let's continue with the

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pledge.

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>> I pledge allegiance

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to the flag of the United

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States of America and to the

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Republic for which it stands,

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one nation, under God,

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indivisible,

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with liberty and justice

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for all.

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>> Thank you. Next up is the

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presentation of the Florida

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League of Cities 2025 Youth

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Council and Excellence Award

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to members of the Satellite

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Beach Youth Council.

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>> Perfect.

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>> Good evening, Mayor, members

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of the council, staff,

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citizens, and the members

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of the Satellite Beach Youth

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Council. My name is Erin

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Russell and I am the Member

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Services administrator

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from the Florida League of

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Cities, which is located in

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Tallahassee, Florida. And just

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for the audience members who

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may be unfamiliar with the

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Florida League of Cities, we

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have served as the united voice

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for Florida's 411 cities,

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towns and villages since 1922.

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And our mission has remained

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the same since our founding,

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which is to protect local

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decision making because we

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believe local decisions should

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be made by those who know their

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communities best. And so,

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I want to start

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by saying thank you

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to the city of Satellite beach

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for being a dedicated member

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of the Florida League of

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Cities. And I also want

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to give a shout out to your

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excellent staff who gave me a

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very warm welcome when I came

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to City hall this evening.

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So, it is my honor

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to be here this evening

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to present the Satellite

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Beach Youth Council with the

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Florida League of Cities 2025

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Youth Council Excellence

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Award. And for this contest,

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the league asked youth councils

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to submit an initiative that

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made significant contributions

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to their local municipality.

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And this is a statewide

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competition that is open

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to all youth councils in

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Florida. And only three

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projects were selected as

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winners. And the initiative

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that they submitted aimed

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to plant trees around the city

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while educating future

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generations

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about the importance of trees.

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collaboration and hard work,

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the youth Council accomplished

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its goals. Increasing youth

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engagement,

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educating the community

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about the environment,

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and helping Satellite beach

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increase its tree canopy and

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vegetation. This project not

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only beautified the community,

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but also served as a meaningful

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educational opportunity

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to engage residents

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to raise awareness and

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to lay the groundwork for long

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term environmental stewardship

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in Satellite Beach. So,

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in addition

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to the trophy that I'm here

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to present them this. Present

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them with this evening, the

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Youth council will also receive

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a check for $500 to help fund

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community projects and to

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continue their important work.

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So, if I can have the members

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of the youth council join me

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on behalf of the Florida

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League of Cities, I am honored

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to present you with the 2025

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Youth Council Excellence

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Award. Congratulations.

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[APPLAUSE]

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this is not an easy

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competition. There's a lot

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of youth council that put

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into it and there was a lot

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of worthwhile projects in it.

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So that you rose to the top

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of that is not an easy feat

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to do. So, congratulations.

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Well done on that. Again, it

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was well earned. Do that. And

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we appreciate what your project

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was. I think back a few years

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when we were still planting

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trees and taking trees out to

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Citizens house and stuff

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like that. It's important that

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we keep doing that. I think

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everybody thinks that's a

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worthwhile project and I think

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it's great that you guys took

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that on and spearhead that keep

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going that direction. So, thank

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you again for that.

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Congratulations on that. Well

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earned, well done.

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next is citizens comments.

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This is citizens comments

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on non-agenda items. If anybody

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cares

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to come up and speak.

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>> Hello. Hello. Lois Felder,

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Oceana. I just want

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to say I am delighted that all

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of your traffic control boxes

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have been paid for

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to be wrapped. I would just

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like to know how fast the

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wrapping will take place. Do we

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have any left? They should be

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done

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within the next three weeks.

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still needs to be ordered,

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so it'll probably be closer to

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after a month or so. Perfect.

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Great. One other thing, and I

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don't know if somebody here

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would have the answer,

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but once upon a time,

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way back. When I asked to get a

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waste disposal garbage can, I

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guess, at the bus stop. That's

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right. Right by Oceana, because

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people were sitting

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on our little wall and right

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by the bus stop waiting

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for the bus. And just dropping

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all of their stuff. All

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over the place. And I

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photographed it and lo and

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behold, Public works put a

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trash can attached to the bus

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stop and actually picked up

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trash from time to time. It's

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gone. Why is it gone? Who knows

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where it went and who can put

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it back? Mystery.

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>> Citizens comments still open,

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>> Hey, good evening,

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everyone. Thank you, Mayor

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Osmer and city council members

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for giving us a few minutes

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to speak today. My name is

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Andrew Robineau, and I'm

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standing beside my wife

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Madison, and my parents, Tina

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and Dan Robineau. I'm really

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excited

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to share some awesome news

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with you all.

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Through the incredible support

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of our community, we raised

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$7,765 during this year's Tee

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it up for Maddie golf

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tournament. This is money that

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will go directly towards

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supporting Satellite beach

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youth athletics between the

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football and baseball programs.

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This Event means a lot

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to us as a family. Not just

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because of what it raises,

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but because of who it honors.

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My brother, Matthew Robino, a

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young man who grew up right

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here, Beachside and was deeply

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involved in the variety

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of youth sports offered here.

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This tournament is all

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about keeping Matthew's spirit

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and legacy alive by supporting

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the various areas that he

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loved,

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including youth athletics.

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we're able to fund the new

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scoreboard just south

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of us here at Hedgcock Field

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and provided some relief

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to the Beachside Little League

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after some unforeseen damage

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to the scoreboard. We're also

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donating a portion

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of the funds to the Satellite

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Beach Youth Football and Cheer

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association to help

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with some equipment upgrades

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for this upcoming season. So,

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looking ahead, we're hoping to

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take that tribute even further

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for Matthew. One

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of our goals is

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to eventually have the DeSoto

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baseball field named in

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Matthew's honor and assist

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in a scoreboard commemoration

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for him, similar

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to what we have for Zach

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with the football field there.

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For him and his family,

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this is a park that's special

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to our family and has many fond

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memories on the ball field.

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Together, we feel like this

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would complement the tribute

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bench that we have for Matthew

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along the sidewalk just north

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of the outfield fence.

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continue partnering and raising

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money through the Tee it Up

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for Maddie golf tournament and

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then other events as well

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to assist with community

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enhancements and projects

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in the area. On behalf of my

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family and our friends and all

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those involved

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with the money that was raised

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for this event, thank you for

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this opportunity. I look

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forward to working

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with the city

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on areas that we can help

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in the future to continue

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making this town the best place

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to grow up and to live. God

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bless you all. Thank you.

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>> Thank you very much.

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>> Thank you very much.

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for your community support. We

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really appreciate that. We

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really do.

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>> Thank you, citizens.

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Comment is still open if

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anybody else cares to comment

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on a non-agenda item hearing

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none. I'll bring it back up

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here. Next item is city council

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comments. I'll start

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with you. Oh, wow. So, I'll

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just want

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to reiterate the

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congratulations

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to the youth council and as

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well to the tee it up for

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Maddie. I have to admit,

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if I had known, I would have

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participated. I'm not a good

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golfer, but I can play. So just

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remember that next year.

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>> Thank you again.

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>> Thanks, Mike.

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>> Good afternoon, everyone. I

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attended the lunch and learn

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for the hurricane preparedness.

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That was fantastic. You know,

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part of our goals is

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to outreach and get citizens

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Involvement and we had. It was

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in this chamber because of the

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voting and I sat up front,

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but I think every seat

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behind me was full. We had a

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range of citizens here

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from I just moved in,

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I have no idea what to do or

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I've been here a lifetime and I

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still want to learn. So, I

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think that really is the

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essence of who we are as a

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society and who we are as a

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community

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with our leadership here. Fire

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department is represented,

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Police was represented. Alan

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Potter's here from Public

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Works. Everybody just did a

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great job rolling through that

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and getting the information

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out. Some

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of the information was,

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what's a shelter? What do you

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bring in the shelter? I have

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special needs, I have pets.

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And we worked

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through all that stuff. So, all

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those little things you don't

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think about until the day of,

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they brought it to the surface

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and that was really a big

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positive. And I think some

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of us,

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more than me attended the

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Edwin Hartman and Philip Flagg

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wreath laying ceremony last

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Friday. Chief Pearson did a

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fantastic job. Stellar,

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heartfelt ceremony of

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remembrance and that was really

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what this city is about also.

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So that's what I have.

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>> Thanks, Mike.

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>> I'll be brief. I want

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to couple comments on the

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Citizen comments. Thank you all

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to organizations supporting the

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city, doing something positive

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out there. And thank you very

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much. I want to thank Ms.

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Felder and hold her up as an

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example to anyone

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out there who's watching.

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Thank you for your stick

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to activeness and, you know,

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holding us accountable. And,

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you know, if you're

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out there, please come

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to meetings, share your ideas.

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Like her idea was a good one

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and it's gotten carried out.

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You know, yours may or may not

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be achievable, but we don't

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know unless you come and tell

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us. So, I hold her up as an

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example of someone who's come

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over and extend a period

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of time, you know, stated an

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idea and now it's happening.

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So, I commend you and I

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encourage others to come out

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here because there's no

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limitation on good ideas. And

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we don't know unless you tell

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us. The Youth Council.

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Congratulations to all of them

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for their hard work and thank

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you for coming down here from

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Tallahassee to honor them.

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Last thing I want to say,

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this came to me spontaneously

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as I was pulling in, but I saw

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a very relaxed citizen named

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David Abernathy riding his bike

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with his dog as I was pulling

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in here. And so,

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it's a pleasure to see Chief

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Dangler out there,

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but that brought a smile

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to my face. So that's all I

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have.

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>> Thank you. We had a busy

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month of May

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since we last met. So, a couple

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of things. I just wanted

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to thank city staff

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for joining us at Surfside

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for bike to school day. We had

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city manager and police and

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fire there with us. That was a

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great way

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to start the morning. Thank you

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to everyone involved with all

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the graduation festivities,

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from hanging banners to helping

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run the parade and keep the

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kids safe during the parade.

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Thank you for allowing me

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to stand in your place

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at graduation.

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>> Represented us well.

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>> We, we were a little afraid

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that the weather was not going

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to cooperate and started a

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little late,

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but it was perfect. It was

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perfect. So. And again, the

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Hartman flag ceremony is a very

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special one in the city and I

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hope that continues. I'm glad

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that you continue

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to do that year after year and

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honor their memory and their

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service to our city. So, and

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again, of course

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to our youth council,

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Congratulations. Anna and

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Cassie and Linda, thank you for

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running that group and keeping

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it going strong. I look forward

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to seeing what they do again

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next year. And Erin, thank you

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for joining us as well. And the

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Robin O family, thank you for

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taking something really tough

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and sad and turning it

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into something really,

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really special

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to year golf tournament. Thank

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you.

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>> Can I hop on really quick?

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>> I was remiss

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in not mentioning thank you

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to all the public safety folks.

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As a Surfside parent, both my

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son and my wife commented

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on that and how awesome it was.

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Someone called my son out

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in a positive way

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for having his helmet

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on specifically and that

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like made his day. He came and

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told me, look,

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I got positive feedback.

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Feedback which he loves. So,

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thank you all

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for that.

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>> I am not going to add

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anything further. We'll just

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keep on moving along

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with this. Next up is city

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attorney's report.

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>> Jim, I have something this

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evening regarding the sale

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of the 15-foot strip

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around the property for Arctic

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rays. The title company is

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requiring a resolution instead

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of the motion that was

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previously approved. So, I have

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a resolution prepared. There's

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an additional item

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in here that we didn't discuss,

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which is paragraph three that

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talks about the waiver

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of mineral rights. So, they

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just want that specifically

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addressed. So that's been

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included in the resolution.

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But other than that, the

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resolution is essentially

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exactly the same as the.

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>> You couldn't get them

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to write over this, Jim?

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>> No, they wanted to. Well,

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originally, they wanted to

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include other stuff that

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applies to counties, you know,

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basically declaring surplus and

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all that kind of stuff. So,

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it's like this is,

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this is what they wanted. They

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also questioned whether or not

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the city manager can Sign the

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deed, which I'll have to deal

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with later. But unlike the

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county where the statute

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requires, there's a specific

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statutory form for counties,

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but there isn't one

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for cities. And the chair or

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vice chair has to sign any D

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to conveyance.

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But our charter is not.

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Doesn't say anything

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specifically about it, but it

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says that the mayor will sign

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it unless the charter or the

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city council directs otherwise.

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Which is what the motion did.

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It directed that the city

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manager can do it,

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but I'll resolve that later.

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The mayor may have to sign it.

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I don't know that. I'll deal

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with that. All right,

531
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that's it. We just need a

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motion

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to approve the resolution. I

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got to read it. Resolution

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number 1073, a resolution

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of the city of Satellite

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Beach, Brevard County,

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Florida, ratifying prior action

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of city council approving

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executive execution

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of and closing of sale with

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Arctic Rays LLC, waiving any

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mineral rights as provided in

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Section 270.11 Florida

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Statutes to the property

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to be conveyed to Arctic Rays

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LLC,

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providing an effective date.

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That's a reading

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of resolution number 1073.

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>> I'll make a motion

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to approve resolution number

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1073 as presented.

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>> Second.

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>> I have a motion and a

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second. Is anybody else up

557
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here? Ready? So basically,

558
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it's the same thing. Same thing

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we discussed before.

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>> Yes.

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>> We're just putting it a

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resolution.

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>> Correct.

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>> May I ask a question, just

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out of curiosity? The part that

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had to be added

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in waiving any mineral rights,

568
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what does that mean?

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>> There's a statute that

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section that's cited in there

571
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basically provides that

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provides for how mineral rights

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are addressed in conveyances

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by governmental entities. And

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if you don't waive it,

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it's reserved. And so,

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if the city doesn't execute

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this, then there will be what

579
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they call an exception

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to the title policy

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for that mineral rights. And I

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mean council can do that too if

583
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it chooses to,

584
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but all it is a 15-foot strip

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around the building or around

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the property is what it is.

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And the city's still going

588
00:19:38,100 --> 00:19:39,100
to have an easement

589
00:19:39,100 --> 00:19:40,100
over that same 15ft too,

590
00:19:40,100 --> 00:19:42,100
so.

591
00:19:42,100 --> 00:19:44,100
>> Okay, thank you.

592
00:19:46,100 --> 00:19:47,100
>> Anything on that?

593
00:19:47,100 --> 00:19:48,100
>> I was also curious.

594
00:19:48,100 --> 00:19:49,100
>> Thanks for asking. I was

595
00:19:49,100 --> 00:19:50,100
expecting somebody be digging

596
00:19:50,100 --> 00:19:52,100
for gold or uranium or

597
00:19:52,100 --> 00:19:54,100
something.

598
00:19:54,100 --> 00:19:55,100
>> No, actually what. What it

599
00:19:55,100 --> 00:19:56,100
really applies to is more. I

600
00:19:56,100 --> 00:19:59,100
mean where it has historically

601
00:20:00,100 --> 00:20:01,100
come up in Florida, I guess

602
00:20:01,100 --> 00:20:02,100
for lack of a better way

603
00:20:02,100 --> 00:20:04,100
of putting it is in is the

604
00:20:04,100 --> 00:20:05,100
phosphorus mines and things

605
00:20:05,100 --> 00:20:06,100
like that.

606
00:20:06,100 --> 00:20:08,100
>> Right.

607
00:20:09,100 --> 00:20:11,100
>> Okay.

608
00:20:12,100 --> 00:20:13,100
>> But when we agreed

609
00:20:13,100 --> 00:20:15,100
to set this is one

610
00:20:15,100 --> 00:20:16,100
of the proverbial bundles of

611
00:20:16,100 --> 00:20:17,100
sticks which two private

612
00:20:17,100 --> 00:20:18,100
parties would be conveyed. But

613
00:20:18,100 --> 00:20:19,100
because there's this statute,

614
00:20:19,100 --> 00:20:21,100
we're just kind of clarifying

615
00:20:21,100 --> 00:20:22,100
our intention that we intended

616
00:20:22,100 --> 00:20:23,100
to convey everything.

617
00:20:23,100 --> 00:20:24,100
>> Correct.

618
00:20:24,100 --> 00:20:25,100
>> Is that a good way

619
00:20:25,100 --> 00:20:26,100
to summarize it?

620
00:20:26,100 --> 00:20:28,100
>> Yes. All right,

621
00:20:29,100 --> 00:20:30,100
I'll open up

622
00:20:30,100 --> 00:20:32,100
for citizens comments

623
00:20:32,100 --> 00:20:34,100
since we're voting

624
00:20:37,100 --> 00:20:40,601
on if anybody wants to comment

625
00:20:43,100 --> 00:20:44,100
on this. All right. Hearing

626
00:20:44,100 --> 00:20:45,100
None.

627
00:20:45,100 --> 00:20:47,100
[ CALLING ROLL]

628
00:20:48,100 --> 00:20:50,100
>> The motion passes.

629
00:20:51,100 --> 00:20:52,100
>> I have nothing else.

630
00:20:52,100 --> 00:20:53,100
>> Thank you, Jim. All right,

631
00:20:53,100 --> 00:20:55,100
next up, City Manager Brittany

632
00:20:55,100 --> 00:20:56,100
thank you, Mayor.

633
00:20:56,100 --> 00:20:57,100
>> So, our summer classes began

634
00:20:57,100 --> 00:20:59,100
this past Monday, June 2nd.

635
00:20:59,100 --> 00:21:00,100
There are still some spots

636
00:21:00,100 --> 00:21:01,100
available for the summer

637
00:21:01,100 --> 00:21:02,100
activity registration,

638
00:21:02,100 --> 00:21:03,100
so sign up today

639
00:21:03,100 --> 00:21:04,100
for the incredible summer camps

640
00:21:04,100 --> 00:21:06,100
by visiting satellitebeach.gov

641
00:21:06,100 --> 00:21:07,100
recreation or give them a call

642
00:21:07,100 --> 00:21:08,100
to choir about availability.

643
00:21:08,100 --> 00:21:09,100
Flag Day is next Saturday,

644
00:21:09,100 --> 00:21:12,100
June 14th where we honor the

645
00:21:12,100 --> 00:21:14,401
symbol of our freedom,

646
00:21:15,100 --> 00:21:17,100
unity and pride. Join us at

647
00:21:17,100 --> 00:21:19,100
City Hall. Flags will be raised

648
00:21:19,100 --> 00:21:20,100
at 7:30 and retired at 5pm

649
00:21:20,100 --> 00:21:22,100
Soak up the summer with

650
00:21:22,100 --> 00:21:23,100
connection and community

651
00:21:23,100 --> 00:21:25,100
business. Networking events

652
00:21:25,100 --> 00:21:27,100
will be held next Thursday,

653
00:21:27,100 --> 00:21:29,100
June 19th. I'm sorry,

654
00:21:29,100 --> 00:21:30,100
in two weeks June 19th at 5:30

655
00:21:30,100 --> 00:21:31,100
at Cadillac Cove

656
00:21:31,100 --> 00:21:32,100
in the VIP room. Be sponsored

657
00:21:32,100 --> 00:21:34,100
by CO Advantage. Mark your

658
00:21:34,100 --> 00:21:36,100
calendars for Go Skate Day

659
00:21:36,100 --> 00:21:38,100
Satellite beach skate Park on

660
00:21:38,100 --> 00:21:40,100
June 21 from 4pm There will be

661
00:21:40,100 --> 00:21:42,100
contests, giveaways,

662
00:21:42,100 --> 00:21:44,100
live music and food trucks.

663
00:21:44,100 --> 00:21:46,100
Come out and enjoy the fun.

664
00:21:46,100 --> 00:21:47,100
Our Recreation Department is

665
00:21:47,100 --> 00:21:48,100
holding a special community

666
00:21:48,100 --> 00:21:50,100
event introducing

667
00:21:50,100 --> 00:21:51,100
neurodivergent children

668
00:21:51,100 --> 00:21:53,100
to the 911 response system on

669
00:21:53,100 --> 00:21:54,100
June 23rd and 24th. This event

670
00:21:54,100 --> 00:21:56,100
is aimed

671
00:21:57,100 --> 00:21:58,100
at reducing anxiety and fear

672
00:21:58,100 --> 00:22:00,100
in real life emergencies.

673
00:22:00,100 --> 00:22:02,100
Participants will meet city

674
00:22:02,100 --> 00:22:03,100
police officers, firefighters

675
00:22:03,100 --> 00:22:05,401
and paramedics interacting with

676
00:22:07,100 --> 00:22:08,100
their vehicles and equipment.

677
00:22:08,100 --> 00:22:10,100
Equipment ending in a

678
00:22:10,100 --> 00:22:11,100
demonstration mimicking a

679
00:22:11,100 --> 00:22:12,100
real-life emergency.

680
00:22:12,100 --> 00:22:14,100
For more information,

681
00:22:14,100 --> 00:22:15,100
contact our Recreation

682
00:22:15,100 --> 00:22:16,100
Department. Our Police

683
00:22:16,100 --> 00:22:17,100
department received a thank you

684
00:22:17,100 --> 00:22:18,100
from the 55 Plus Club

685
00:22:18,100 --> 00:22:20,100
for their participation

686
00:22:20,100 --> 00:22:21,100
in the 1920 speakeasy event.

687
00:22:21,100 --> 00:22:22,100
The event was a huge success

688
00:22:22,100 --> 00:22:23,100
thanks to the team's

689
00:22:23,100 --> 00:22:24,100
outstanding performance and

690
00:22:24,100 --> 00:22:26,100
creativity,

691
00:22:26,100 --> 00:22:27,100
creative energy. A Special

692
00:22:27,100 --> 00:22:29,100
thanks to Lt. Kinsey

693
00:22:29,100 --> 00:22:30,100
for excellent coordination.

694
00:22:30,100 --> 00:22:32,100
The team brought fun and

695
00:22:32,100 --> 00:22:35,100
laughter to the community and

696
00:22:37,100 --> 00:22:39,100
now proudly recognized as an

697
00:22:39,100 --> 00:22:42,100
honor Honorary member of the

698
00:22:47,100 --> 00:22:48,100
Fun Department.

699
00:22:48,100 --> 00:22:49,100
>> What was your role Chief

700
00:22:49,100 --> 00:22:50,100
in that speakeasy?

701
00:22:50,100 --> 00:22:52,401
>> The Brevard County Natural

702
00:23:02,100 --> 00:23:03,100
Resource Department kindly

703
00:23:03,100 --> 00:23:04,100
shared photos of the co

704
00:23:04,100 --> 00:23:05,100
plannings that were done

705
00:23:05,100 --> 00:23:06,100
following the recent beach

706
00:23:06,100 --> 00:23:07,100
renourishment. The coats are

707
00:23:07,100 --> 00:23:08,100
thriving and appear to be

708
00:23:08,100 --> 00:23:09,100
in excellent condition,

709
00:23:09,100 --> 00:23:10,100
contributing positively to

710
00:23:10,100 --> 00:23:11,100
restored dune environment and

711
00:23:11,100 --> 00:23:12,100
there were pictures of that

712
00:23:12,100 --> 00:23:13,100
in the attachment. As an

713
00:23:13,100 --> 00:23:14,100
update, we did finally get the

714
00:23:14,100 --> 00:23:15,100
final cost

715
00:23:15,100 --> 00:23:16,100
for the senior banners. It was

716
00:23:16,100 --> 00:23:17,100
$6,740 and as of May 27th when

717
00:23:17,100 --> 00:23:18,100
this report was printed,

718
00:23:18,100 --> 00:23:19,100
we had received $635

719
00:23:19,100 --> 00:23:20,100
in donations to that. The rest

720
00:23:20,100 --> 00:23:21,100
of my report has the community

721
00:23:21,100 --> 00:23:22,100
development department activity

722
00:23:22,100 --> 00:23:23,100
along with all the other

723
00:23:23,100 --> 00:23:24,100
department's activities

724
00:23:24,100 --> 00:23:25,100
for the month of April. And

725
00:23:25,100 --> 00:23:26,100
at your next meeting,

726
00:23:26,100 --> 00:23:27,100
we'll have all of the activity

727
00:23:27,100 --> 00:23:28,100
for the month of May. And that

728
00:23:28,100 --> 00:23:30,401
is all I have.

729
00:23:34,100 --> 00:23:35,100
>> Mayor, thank you very much.

730
00:23:35,100 --> 00:23:36,100
Moving on to agenda item 8,

731
00:23:36,100 --> 00:23:39,100
which is the consent agenda,

732
00:23:39,100 --> 00:23:41,100
and there are 1, 2, 3, 4, 5

733
00:23:42,100 --> 00:23:44,100
items on there. We can take

734
00:23:44,100 --> 00:23:45,100
them all as one. Unless

735
00:23:45,100 --> 00:23:47,100
somebody would like

736
00:23:47,100 --> 00:23:49,100
to pull an individual one out

737
00:23:49,100 --> 00:23:51,100
to discuss.

738
00:23:51,100 --> 00:23:53,401
>> I've got a correction

739
00:23:56,100 --> 00:23:58,100
for the minutes.

740
00:24:00,100 --> 00:24:01,100
>> Okay.

741
00:24:01,100 --> 00:24:02,100
>> On page four,

742
00:24:02,100 --> 00:24:04,100
the second action item, there's

743
00:24:04,100 --> 00:24:05,100
a scrivener's error that refers

744
00:24:05,100 --> 00:24:07,100
to me as vice mayor body. Not

745
00:24:07,100 --> 00:24:08,100
to be confused

746
00:24:08,100 --> 00:24:09,100
with the former Minnesota

747
00:24:09,100 --> 00:24:10,100
governor as not a known AKA

748
00:24:10,100 --> 00:24:13,601
gotcha. I confess to doing that

749
00:24:14,100 --> 00:24:15,100
myself quite often.

750
00:24:15,100 --> 00:24:17,100
>> All right,

751
00:24:21,100 --> 00:24:25,201
so we have that added to it.

752
00:24:28,100 --> 00:24:30,100
Anybody else have any other

753
00:24:30,100 --> 00:24:31,100
questions, concerns

754
00:24:31,100 --> 00:24:32,100
with that? No. If not,

755
00:24:32,100 --> 00:24:33,100
I'll entertain a motion to. To

756
00:24:33,100 --> 00:24:34,100
accept the consent agenda.

757
00:24:34,100 --> 00:24:35,100
>> Mayor, there is a gentleman

758
00:24:35,100 --> 00:24:36,100
who wants. Oh, no,

759
00:24:36,100 --> 00:24:37,100
never mind.

760
00:24:37,100 --> 00:24:38,100
We thought it was consent,

761
00:24:38,100 --> 00:24:39,100
but it's not. Never mind.

762
00:24:39,100 --> 00:24:40,100
>> Okay. Move forward.

763
00:24:40,100 --> 00:24:41,100
>> I'm sorry.

764
00:24:41,100 --> 00:24:42,100
>> No worries. Do I have a

765
00:24:42,100 --> 00:24:43,100
motion

766
00:24:43,100 --> 00:24:44,100
for the consent agenda?

767
00:24:44,100 --> 00:24:45,100
>> So, moved.

768
00:24:45,100 --> 00:24:46,100
>> Okay, I got a motion. Do I

769
00:24:46,100 --> 00:24:47,100
have a second?

770
00:24:47,100 --> 00:24:48,100
>> I'll second

771
00:24:48,100 --> 00:24:50,100
with that correction.

772
00:24:52,100 --> 00:24:53,100
>> Thank you. Anything further

773
00:24:53,100 --> 00:24:56,100
up here on that, Gwen?

774
00:25:00,100 --> 00:25:02,100
>> [ CALLING ROLL]

775
00:25:05,100 --> 00:25:07,100
>> Consent agenda passes.

776
00:25:07,100 --> 00:25:09,100
Moving on to agenda item 9.

777
00:25:09,100 --> 00:25:11,100
Discuss, take action

778
00:25:11,100 --> 00:25:12,100
on automatic aid agreement

779
00:25:12,100 --> 00:25:14,100
between the city of Indian

780
00:25:14,100 --> 00:25:15,100
harbor beach and the city of

781
00:25:15,100 --> 00:25:17,100
Satellite beach for fire

782
00:25:17,100 --> 00:25:19,100
protection and emergency

783
00:25:19,100 --> 00:25:21,100
services. Hello, Chief.

784
00:25:21,100 --> 00:25:24,100
>> Hello. How are you? All

785
00:25:24,100 --> 00:25:25,100
right. So, we've currently had

786
00:25:25,100 --> 00:25:27,100
an automatic aid agreement

787
00:25:27,100 --> 00:25:28,100
with Brevard County Fire rescue

788
00:25:28,100 --> 00:25:30,100
for over 15 years. One

789
00:25:30,100 --> 00:25:32,100
of the things Chief Abernathy

790
00:25:32,100 --> 00:25:33,100
was working on prior to his

791
00:25:33,100 --> 00:25:35,100
retirement was an automatic aid

792
00:25:35,100 --> 00:25:36,100
agreement with the city of

793
00:25:36,100 --> 00:25:38,100
Indian Harbor Beach Fire

794
00:25:38,100 --> 00:25:40,100
Department and Patrick's

795
00:25:40,100 --> 00:25:42,100
Space Force Fire Department.

796
00:25:42,100 --> 00:25:44,100
An automatic aid agreement

797
00:25:44,100 --> 00:25:47,100
allows for its more formalized

798
00:25:50,100 --> 00:25:51,100
agreement for shared resources

799
00:25:51,100 --> 00:25:53,100
for both fire and emergency

800
00:25:53,100 --> 00:25:54,100
medical services to where if

801
00:25:54,100 --> 00:25:56,100
it's a specific call comes in;

802
00:25:56,100 --> 00:25:57,100
specific units will be

803
00:25:57,100 --> 00:25:58,100
dispatched accordingly. And

804
00:25:58,100 --> 00:25:59,100
it's a more formal agreement

805
00:25:59,100 --> 00:26:00,100
than a mutual aid agreement?

806
00:26:00,100 --> 00:26:02,100
This agreement was brought

807
00:26:02,100 --> 00:26:03,100
before the Indian Harbor beach

808
00:26:03,100 --> 00:26:04,100
city council on May 13 and

809
00:26:04,100 --> 00:26:06,100
approved. And now we're

810
00:26:06,100 --> 00:26:07,100
bringing it before you.

811
00:26:07,100 --> 00:26:08,100
>> So is the big difference

812
00:26:08,100 --> 00:26:09,100
between the two,

813
00:26:09,100 --> 00:26:12,100
the mutual aid is more they

814
00:26:12,100 --> 00:26:14,100
call for us and then we go, and

815
00:26:14,100 --> 00:26:15,100
automatic we're just going.

816
00:26:15,100 --> 00:26:16,100
>> Typically, the mutual aid

817
00:26:16,100 --> 00:26:18,100
agreement, when the on scene

818
00:26:18,100 --> 00:26:19,100
incident commanders realize

819
00:26:19,100 --> 00:26:21,100
that the incident has grown

820
00:26:21,100 --> 00:26:22,100
beyond their resources, they'll

821
00:26:22,100 --> 00:26:23,100
request additional resources.

822
00:26:23,100 --> 00:26:25,100
That way the automatic aid is

823
00:26:25,100 --> 00:26:27,100
more streamlined

824
00:26:27,100 --> 00:26:29,100
to where we get a call

825
00:26:29,100 --> 00:26:30,100
for a structure fire.

826
00:26:30,100 --> 00:26:32,100
Specific Brevard County Fire

827
00:26:32,100 --> 00:26:33,100
rescue units would be

828
00:26:33,100 --> 00:26:35,100
dispatched with us. That's how

829
00:26:35,100 --> 00:26:36,100
it works with Brevard.

830
00:26:36,100 --> 00:26:38,100
With this one,

831
00:26:38,100 --> 00:26:39,100
it would be the same

832
00:26:39,100 --> 00:26:40,100
to where if Indian harbor beach

833
00:26:40,100 --> 00:26:42,100
gets a call

834
00:26:42,100 --> 00:26:43,100
for a structure fire,

835
00:26:43,100 --> 00:26:44,100
rather than waiting

836
00:26:44,100 --> 00:26:45,100
for the units to get on scene

837
00:26:45,100 --> 00:26:46,100
and verify that they need us,

838
00:26:46,100 --> 00:26:48,100
we would be dispatched almost

839
00:26:48,100 --> 00:26:50,401
immediately. It would decrease

840
00:26:51,100 --> 00:26:52,100
response times, especially in

841
00:26:52,100 --> 00:26:53,100
those time sensitive incidents.

842
00:26:53,100 --> 00:26:54,100
>> Excellent.

843
00:26:54,100 --> 00:26:55,100
>> Indian harbor beach has an

844
00:26:55,100 --> 00:26:56,100
official fire department now.

845
00:26:56,100 --> 00:26:57,100
Are they still volunteer in

846
00:26:57,100 --> 00:26:58,100
New York?

847
00:26:58,100 --> 00:26:59,100
>> Beach is still volunteer.

848
00:26:59,100 --> 00:27:00,100
About a year and a half ago,

849
00:27:00,100 --> 00:27:01,100
they did hire their first full

850
00:27:01,100 --> 00:27:02,100
time fire chief. They are

851
00:27:02,100 --> 00:27:03,100
working

852
00:27:03,100 --> 00:27:04,100
on becoming a combination, both

853
00:27:04,100 --> 00:27:05,100
career and paid fire

854
00:27:05,100 --> 00:27:06,100
department. They just began

855
00:27:06,100 --> 00:27:07,100
on Monday responding

856
00:27:07,100 --> 00:27:08,100
to medical calls in their city

857
00:27:08,100 --> 00:27:09,100
as a first response agency.

858
00:27:09,100 --> 00:27:10,100
So, this way,

859
00:27:10,100 --> 00:27:11,100
if they do get two medical

860
00:27:11,100 --> 00:27:14,100
calls at the same time and

861
00:27:14,100 --> 00:27:16,401
their units are Busy

862
00:27:24,100 --> 00:27:26,100
on the 1st, they would be able

863
00:27:26,100 --> 00:27:27,100
to call us to back them up.

864
00:27:27,100 --> 00:27:28,100
And then as they grow,

865
00:27:28,100 --> 00:27:29,100
we would be able

866
00:27:29,100 --> 00:27:30,100
to do the same with them.

867
00:27:30,100 --> 00:27:31,100
With this formalized agreement,

868
00:27:31,100 --> 00:27:32,100
would we be deployed

869
00:27:32,100 --> 00:27:33,100
on a fire alarm in Indian

870
00:27:33,100 --> 00:27:34,100
Harbor?

871
00:27:34,100 --> 00:27:36,100
>> Traditionally, just

872
00:27:36,100 --> 00:27:38,100
like ours, all

873
00:27:40,100 --> 00:27:41,100
of our condos we handle, they

874
00:27:41,100 --> 00:27:42,100
would still be handling their

875
00:27:42,100 --> 00:27:43,100
regular fire alarms. I'm not

876
00:27:43,100 --> 00:27:44,100
sure if they're going

877
00:27:44,100 --> 00:27:45,100
to include us on their

878
00:27:45,100 --> 00:27:46,100
commercial fire alarms,

879
00:27:46,100 --> 00:27:47,100
but mostly it's going to be

880
00:27:47,100 --> 00:27:48,100
their structure fire responses.

881
00:27:48,100 --> 00:27:50,100
>> What would be the additional

882
00:27:50,100 --> 00:27:51,100
burden you feel would happen

883
00:27:51,100 --> 00:27:53,100
when this comes into play where

884
00:27:53,100 --> 00:27:55,401
it becomes more automated?

885
00:27:58,100 --> 00:28:00,100
In other words, instead of them

886
00:28:00,100 --> 00:28:01,100
confirming I actually have a

887
00:28:01,100 --> 00:28:02,100
problem?

888
00:28:02,100 --> 00:28:03,100
>> Traditionally we've had four

889
00:28:03,100 --> 00:28:04,100
calls for service this year

890
00:28:04,100 --> 00:28:06,100
in harbor beach, we usually

891
00:28:06,100 --> 00:28:09,601
average five or six. I imagine

892
00:28:10,100 --> 00:28:12,100
with them calling us earlier

893
00:28:12,100 --> 00:28:13,100
for,

894
00:28:13,100 --> 00:28:14,100
for more structure fires,

895
00:28:14,100 --> 00:28:15,100
we would get dispatched to a

896
00:28:15,100 --> 00:28:16,100
couple more that might not turn

897
00:28:16,100 --> 00:28:17,100
out

898
00:28:17,100 --> 00:28:18,100
to be a structure fire and we

899
00:28:18,100 --> 00:28:19,100
may be canceled on. And

900
00:28:19,100 --> 00:28:20,100
in addition, with them doing

901
00:28:20,100 --> 00:28:21,100
the first response portion,

902
00:28:21,100 --> 00:28:23,100
we're not real certain how many

903
00:28:23,100 --> 00:28:24,100
medical calls that they run,

904
00:28:24,100 --> 00:28:25,100
especially concurrent ones.

905
00:28:25,100 --> 00:28:27,100
So, they've started it Monday

906
00:28:27,100 --> 00:28:28,100
and I believe they've had one

907
00:28:28,100 --> 00:28:29,100
medical call since Monday.

908
00:28:29,100 --> 00:28:30,100
So, in order for them

909
00:28:30,100 --> 00:28:33,100
to get two calls to have

910
00:28:33,100 --> 00:28:34,100
to call us, that's something

911
00:28:34,100 --> 00:28:35,100
that we're going

912
00:28:35,100 --> 00:28:36,100
to keep an eye on over the next

913
00:28:36,100 --> 00:28:37,100
year and see what kind

914
00:28:37,100 --> 00:28:39,100
of impacts it'll have

915
00:28:39,100 --> 00:28:40,100
to us.

916
00:28:40,100 --> 00:28:41,100
>> With this wind, up being

917
00:28:41,100 --> 00:28:42,100
somewhat tailorable as far as

918
00:28:42,100 --> 00:28:43,100
we move forward,

919
00:28:43,100 --> 00:28:45,100
we realize that we're,

920
00:28:45,100 --> 00:28:46,100
let's just say,

921
00:28:46,100 --> 00:28:47,100
depleting the resources we have

922
00:28:47,100 --> 00:28:48,100
in the city because we're going

923
00:28:48,100 --> 00:28:49,100
to something that isn't

924
00:28:49,100 --> 00:28:51,100
important, not because

925
00:28:52,100 --> 00:28:53,100
of its. Indian Harbor. It's not

926
00:28:53,100 --> 00:28:55,100
important because there really

927
00:28:55,100 --> 00:28:56,100
was not an incident because the

928
00:28:56,100 --> 00:28:58,100
automated system brought you

929
00:28:58,100 --> 00:28:59,100
out, but there was nothing

930
00:28:59,100 --> 00:29:00,100
there. I mean, is that

931
00:29:00,100 --> 00:29:01,100
tailorable as we move forward?

932
00:29:01,100 --> 00:29:03,100
>> It is tailorable. There are

933
00:29:03,100 --> 00:29:05,100
severabilities. There's

934
00:29:05,100 --> 00:29:06,100
definitely stuff for. If we do

935
00:29:06,100 --> 00:29:08,401
start to use some

936
00:29:09,100 --> 00:29:11,100
of our fiscal resources, which

937
00:29:11,100 --> 00:29:12,100
on medical calls, a lot

938
00:29:12,100 --> 00:29:13,100
of that would be covered under

939
00:29:13,100 --> 00:29:14,100
the first responder agreement.

940
00:29:14,100 --> 00:29:15,100
So, we would be able

941
00:29:15,100 --> 00:29:16,100
to get those calls back

942
00:29:16,100 --> 00:29:17,100
from that financial money back

943
00:29:17,100 --> 00:29:18,100
from Brevard County Fire

944
00:29:18,100 --> 00:29:19,100
Rescue if the patients

945
00:29:19,100 --> 00:29:20,100
transported and

946
00:29:20,100 --> 00:29:21,100
on a fire. I mean,

947
00:29:21,100 --> 00:29:22,100
we've been responding

948
00:29:22,100 --> 00:29:23,100
to structure fires

949
00:29:23,100 --> 00:29:24,100
in harbor beach for years.

950
00:29:24,100 --> 00:29:25,100
So, I imagine if we see a big

951
00:29:25,100 --> 00:29:26,100
intake towards where we start

952
00:29:26,100 --> 00:29:27,100
seeing our citizens not getting

953
00:29:27,100 --> 00:29:29,100
the. The services because we're

954
00:29:29,100 --> 00:29:31,401
depleting our resources, that's

955
00:29:34,100 --> 00:29:35,100
something that we could address

956
00:29:35,100 --> 00:29:37,100
with them.

957
00:29:39,100 --> 00:29:40,100
>> But we. And we already have

958
00:29:40,100 --> 00:29:41,100
something like this in place

959
00:29:41,100 --> 00:29:42,100
with the county.

960
00:29:42,100 --> 00:29:43,100
>> Yes, we've had an auto 8

961
00:29:43,100 --> 00:29:44,100
agreement with the county for

962
00:29:44,100 --> 00:29:45,100
over 15 years.

963
00:29:45,100 --> 00:29:46,100
>> Okay.

964
00:29:46,100 --> 00:29:47,100
>> So, Patrick Shores, north

965
00:29:47,100 --> 00:29:48,100
of us, we've been doing this

966
00:29:48,100 --> 00:29:49,100
exact same thing

967
00:29:49,100 --> 00:29:50,100
with them with.

968
00:29:50,100 --> 00:29:51,100
>> With 62's area.

969
00:29:51,100 --> 00:29:53,100
>> Correct. All right,

970
00:29:53,100 --> 00:29:54,100
thank you. Good questions.

971
00:29:54,100 --> 00:29:55,100
Thank you.

972
00:29:55,100 --> 00:29:56,100
>> Yeah, and that gets to my.

973
00:29:56,100 --> 00:29:57,100
Like I said,

974
00:29:57,100 --> 00:29:58,100
because obviously if there's a

975
00:29:58,100 --> 00:29:59,100
fire,

976
00:29:59,100 --> 00:30:00,100
we want anyone who can help us,

977
00:30:00,100 --> 00:30:01,100
certainly trained professionals

978
00:30:01,100 --> 00:30:03,100
going to assist.

979
00:30:03,100 --> 00:30:05,100
>> Is there a concern about? I

980
00:30:05,100 --> 00:30:07,100
mean, heaven forbid you have

981
00:30:07,100 --> 00:30:10,100
two fires. How do you. Is that

982
00:30:10,100 --> 00:30:12,100
an issue where you have

983
00:30:12,100 --> 00:30:15,100
resources that are needed in

984
00:30:15,100 --> 00:30:16,100
the city being expended

985
00:30:16,100 --> 00:30:18,401
elsewhere? Is that a

986
00:30:19,100 --> 00:30:20,100
foreseeable concern

987
00:30:20,100 --> 00:30:22,100
from your perspective?

988
00:30:22,100 --> 00:30:23,100
>> It always is a foreseeable

989
00:30:23,100 --> 00:30:24,100
concern where if we do get a

990
00:30:24,100 --> 00:30:27,100
structure fire in 62's area,

991
00:30:28,100 --> 00:30:29,100
which I'm using them just

992
00:30:29,100 --> 00:30:30,100
because we've had the agreement

993
00:30:30,100 --> 00:30:31,100
with them the longest,

994
00:30:31,100 --> 00:30:32,100
traditionally, if we are going

995
00:30:32,100 --> 00:30:33,100
to be on that fire

996
00:30:33,100 --> 00:30:34,100
for a little bit as part

997
00:30:34,100 --> 00:30:36,100
of it, we will ask for either

998
00:30:36,100 --> 00:30:37,100
Melbourne to send

999
00:30:37,100 --> 00:30:38,100
over an engine or somebody to

1000
00:30:38,100 --> 00:30:39,100
backfill our area if we're

1001
00:30:39,100 --> 00:30:40,100
going to be out of service

1002
00:30:40,100 --> 00:30:42,100
for a while.

1003
00:30:42,100 --> 00:30:43,100
>> On a fire in 62, that's the.

1004
00:30:43,100 --> 00:30:44,000
>> That's the station on fire

1005
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,100
by Sea Park.

1006
00:30:45,100 --> 00:30:46,100
>> Okay. Yeah. Okay.

1007
00:30:46,100 --> 00:30:48,100
>> So, you call if you. If

1008
00:30:48,100 --> 00:30:49,100
it's. If it's a structure fire

1009
00:30:49,100 --> 00:30:50,100
and you know you're going

1010
00:30:50,100 --> 00:30:51,100
to have resources deployed,

1011
00:30:51,100 --> 00:30:53,100
you call for potentially back

1012
00:30:53,100 --> 00:30:54,100
backfills.

1013
00:30:54,100 --> 00:30:56,100
>> Okay.

1014
00:31:01,100 --> 00:31:02,100
>> Yeah, we'll try to backfill

1015
00:31:02,100 --> 00:31:04,100
the beach as much as possible,

1016
00:31:04,100 --> 00:31:05,100
because if it is a large

1017
00:31:05,100 --> 00:31:07,100
structure fire,

1018
00:31:13,100 --> 00:31:14,100
then you will deplete both

1019
00:31:14,100 --> 00:31:15,100
62, 63, harbor and us. So,

1020
00:31:15,100 --> 00:31:16,100
we'll. We'll start grabbing

1021
00:31:16,100 --> 00:31:18,100
resources from further away

1022
00:31:18,100 --> 00:31:21,601
to come in and backfill not

1023
00:31:22,100 --> 00:31:23,100
only our area,

1024
00:31:23,100 --> 00:31:25,100
but 62s as well. Okay.

1025
00:31:25,100 --> 00:31:26,100
>> And this is trying to think

1026
00:31:26,100 --> 00:31:29,100
of a better. And lightning

1027
00:31:32,100 --> 00:31:33,100
striking twice. But, you know,

1028
00:31:33,100 --> 00:31:34,100
like the chance in your career

1029
00:31:34,100 --> 00:31:35,100
you've not seen a situation

1030
00:31:35,100 --> 00:31:36,100
where you have multiple kind

1031
00:31:36,100 --> 00:31:37,100
of at the same.

1032
00:31:37,100 --> 00:31:39,100
>> At the same.

1033
00:31:39,100 --> 00:31:41,100
>> At the same time.

1034
00:31:41,100 --> 00:31:42,100
>> We have a couple times.

1035
00:31:42,100 --> 00:31:43,100
Notably one,

1036
00:31:43,100 --> 00:31:44,100
we had a structure fire in our

1037
00:31:44,100 --> 00:31:45,100
city that our units were at.

1038
00:31:45,100 --> 00:31:46,100
And as I was responding

1039
00:31:46,100 --> 00:31:49,100
to that call, we got a report

1040
00:31:49,100 --> 00:31:50,100
of another structure fire and

1041
00:31:50,100 --> 00:31:51,100
actually called Indian harbor

1042
00:31:51,100 --> 00:31:52,100
beach to respond to that fire

1043
00:31:52,100 --> 00:31:53,100
for us. It turned out that one

1044
00:31:53,100 --> 00:31:54,100
was a structure fire and the

1045
00:31:54,100 --> 00:31:55,100
one that harbor went

1046
00:31:55,100 --> 00:31:56,100
to was not a structure fire,

1047
00:31:56,100 --> 00:31:57,100
but we were able to, through

1048
00:31:57,100 --> 00:31:58,100
the mutual aid agreement,

1049
00:31:58,100 --> 00:31:59,100
call Harbor.

1050
00:31:59,100 --> 00:32:00,100
>> That's definitely.

1051
00:32:00,100 --> 00:32:01,100
>> It's a benefit too, because

1052
00:32:01,100 --> 00:32:02,100
in that situation you

1053
00:32:02,100 --> 00:32:03,100
theoretically ask what the

1054
00:32:03,100 --> 00:32:04,100
county, you know, Harbor,

1055
00:32:04,100 --> 00:32:05,100
Beachside, Melbourne, I guess

1056
00:32:05,100 --> 00:32:06,100
in theory.Are they involved?

1057
00:32:06,100 --> 00:32:07,100
>> Melbourne comes

1058
00:32:07,100 --> 00:32:08,100
from the mainland,

1059
00:32:08,100 --> 00:32:09,100
but we're also working

1060
00:32:09,100 --> 00:32:10,100
on an agreement with Patrick

1061
00:32:10,100 --> 00:32:11,100
Space Force Base as well.

1062
00:32:11,100 --> 00:32:12,100
>> Okay, sounds good.

1063
00:32:12,100 --> 00:32:13,100
>> Yeah. Because I think this

1064
00:32:13,100 --> 00:32:14,100
works the same thing. Even if

1065
00:32:14,100 --> 00:32:15,100
we had a. A big structure fire

1066
00:32:15,100 --> 00:32:16,100
and all of.

1067
00:32:16,100 --> 00:32:17,100
>> Our units are there,

1068
00:32:17,100 --> 00:32:18,100
we can get.

1069
00:32:18,100 --> 00:32:19,100
>> The county or someone else

1070
00:32:19,100 --> 00:32:20,100
to kind of basically show up

1071
00:32:20,100 --> 00:32:21,100
at our station and stand by in

1072
00:32:21,100 --> 00:32:22,100
case another call would come

1073
00:32:22,100 --> 00:32:23,100
out.

1074
00:32:23,100 --> 00:32:24,100
>> That works, right?

1075
00:32:24,100 --> 00:32:25,100
>> Thought that happened

1076
00:32:25,100 --> 00:32:26,100
before.

1077
00:32:26,100 --> 00:32:27,100
>> Is there any downside

1078
00:32:27,100 --> 00:32:28,100
to this?

1079
00:32:28,100 --> 00:32:29,100
>> I think we're going to have

1080
00:32:29,100 --> 00:32:30,100
to study the agreement

1081
00:32:30,100 --> 00:32:31,100
depending on calls,

1082
00:32:31,100 --> 00:32:32,100
and we will keep an eye

1083
00:32:32,100 --> 00:32:33,100
on it. If we do start seeing

1084
00:32:33,100 --> 00:32:34,100
ourselves respond to a lot of

1085
00:32:34,100 --> 00:32:35,100
calls as far as a medical call,

1086
00:32:35,100 --> 00:32:37,100
we're still going to keep one

1087
00:32:37,100 --> 00:32:38,100
of our engines in our city

1088
00:32:38,100 --> 00:32:39,100
for those. I mean,

1089
00:32:39,100 --> 00:32:41,100
it's just something we're going

1090
00:32:41,100 --> 00:32:42,100
to track and keep an eye on.

1091
00:32:42,100 --> 00:32:44,100
>> Thank you.

1092
00:32:47,100 --> 00:32:49,100
>> Anybody else up here? If

1093
00:32:49,100 --> 00:32:50,100
not, I'll open it up

1094
00:32:50,100 --> 00:32:52,100
for citizens. Comment

1095
00:32:52,100 --> 00:32:53,100
on agenda item 9. If anybody

1096
00:32:53,100 --> 00:32:54,100
cares to comment

1097
00:32:54,100 --> 00:32:57,100
on that hearing. None. I'll

1098
00:32:59,100 --> 00:33:02,100
bring it back up here.

1099
00:33:03,100 --> 00:33:04,100
There're no other questions up

1100
00:33:04,100 --> 00:33:06,100
here. I'll take a motion to

1101
00:33:06,100 --> 00:33:08,100
approve this.

1102
00:33:08,100 --> 00:33:09,100
>> I'll make a motion to

1103
00:33:09,100 --> 00:33:11,100
approve automatic aid agreement

1104
00:33:11,100 --> 00:33:12,100
between the city of Indian

1105
00:33:12,100 --> 00:33:13,100
harbor beach and the city of

1106
00:33:13,100 --> 00:33:14,100
Satellite beach for fire

1107
00:33:14,100 --> 00:33:16,100
protection and emergency

1108
00:33:16,100 --> 00:33:17,100
services.

1109
00:33:17,100 --> 00:33:19,100
>> Second.

1110
00:33:21,100 --> 00:33:22,100
>> Okay, I have a motion a

1111
00:33:22,100 --> 00:33:23,100
second. So, nothing any

1112
00:33:23,100 --> 00:33:25,100
further.

1113
00:33:27,100 --> 00:33:29,100
>> [ CALLING ROLL]

1114
00:33:34,100 --> 00:33:35,100
>> Motion passes.

1115
00:33:35,100 --> 00:33:37,100
>> Thank you, Chief.

1116
00:33:39,100 --> 00:33:40,100
>> Thank you.

1117
00:33:40,100 --> 00:33:41,100
>> Next up, agenda item 10.

1118
00:33:41,100 --> 00:33:42,100
Discuss take action

1119
00:33:42,100 --> 00:33:43,100
on lease agreement

1120
00:33:43,100 --> 00:33:44,100
between the city of Satellite

1121
00:33:44,100 --> 00:33:45,100
beach and PCI Municipal

1122
00:33:45,100 --> 00:33:47,100
services.

1123
00:33:47,100 --> 00:33:48,100
>> Thank you, Mayor. So, this

1124
00:33:48,100 --> 00:33:50,100
item is coming to you because

1125
00:33:50,100 --> 00:33:51,100
originally when PCI was

1126
00:33:51,100 --> 00:33:52,100
contracted with the city,

1127
00:33:52,100 --> 00:33:53,100
there was no Available city

1128
00:33:53,100 --> 00:33:54,100
facility

1129
00:33:54,100 --> 00:33:56,100
to house their operations. And

1130
00:33:56,100 --> 00:33:58,100
at that time no alternate

1131
00:33:58,100 --> 00:33:59,100
office space was feasible.

1132
00:33:59,100 --> 00:34:01,100
But however,

1133
00:34:01,100 --> 00:34:02,100
with the completion of the fire

1134
00:34:02,100 --> 00:34:03,100
department building,

1135
00:34:03,100 --> 00:34:05,100
an office area

1136
00:34:05,100 --> 00:34:06,100
within the shared lobby of the

1137
00:34:06,100 --> 00:34:07,100
fire department and public

1138
00:34:07,100 --> 00:34:08,100
works has become available.

1139
00:34:08,100 --> 00:34:09,100
The space is not designated

1140
00:34:09,100 --> 00:34:11,401
for use by either

1141
00:34:12,100 --> 00:34:14,100
of the departments. So, we did

1142
00:34:14,100 --> 00:34:15,100
take the opportunity

1143
00:34:15,100 --> 00:34:18,100
to conduct a review of some

1144
00:34:18,100 --> 00:34:19,100
current beachside office space

1145
00:34:19,100 --> 00:34:20,100
list listings which average

1146
00:34:20,100 --> 00:34:22,100
approximately $22 per square

1147
00:34:22,100 --> 00:34:23,100
foot annually. The identified

1148
00:34:23,100 --> 00:34:24,100
office space within the city

1149
00:34:24,100 --> 00:34:26,100
facility would provide PCI

1150
00:34:26,100 --> 00:34:28,100
at a monthly rate for $1,000,

1151
00:34:28,100 --> 00:34:29,100
which would include

1152
00:34:29,100 --> 00:34:30,100
infrastructure such as

1153
00:34:30,100 --> 00:34:31,100
Internet, water and

1154
00:34:31,100 --> 00:34:32,100
electricity. The agreement

1155
00:34:32,100 --> 00:34:34,100
would include an annual

1156
00:34:34,100 --> 00:34:35,100
consumer price index increase.

1157
00:34:35,100 --> 00:34:36,100
The terms of the arrangement

1158
00:34:36,100 --> 00:34:37,100
would be contingent upon the

1159
00:34:37,100 --> 00:34:38,100
city's ongoing contract

1160
00:34:38,100 --> 00:34:40,100
with PCI

1161
00:34:40,100 --> 00:34:41,100
for parking services. So, the

1162
00:34:41,100 --> 00:34:43,100
space is roughly about 32

1163
00:34:43,100 --> 00:34:45,100
square feet. Gwen's going to

1164
00:34:45,100 --> 00:34:46,100
see if she can possibly pop up

1165
00:34:46,100 --> 00:34:47,100
a picture. I apologize. There

1166
00:34:47,100 --> 00:34:49,100
was supposed

1167
00:34:49,100 --> 00:34:51,100
to be an exhibit A

1168
00:34:51,100 --> 00:34:53,100
with this lease agreement

1169
00:34:53,100 --> 00:34:54,100
for you guys to see. And I

1170
00:34:54,100 --> 00:34:56,100
apologize that it did not get

1171
00:34:56,100 --> 00:34:57,100
put in. So, we're going

1172
00:34:57,100 --> 00:34:58,100
to be able to show it to you

1173
00:34:58,100 --> 00:34:59,100
this evening so you can see it

1174
00:34:59,100 --> 00:35:01,100
and then we'll make sure it's

1175
00:35:01,100 --> 00:35:02,100
part

1176
00:35:02,100 --> 00:35:03,100
of the agreement if it were

1177
00:35:03,100 --> 00:35:06,601
to get approved. So, as she's

1178
00:35:08,100 --> 00:35:09,100
bringing that up with that, I

1179
00:35:09,100 --> 00:35:11,100
will answer any questions.

1180
00:35:11,100 --> 00:35:14,601
>> You know I love math. You

1181
00:35:17,100 --> 00:35:19,100
anticipated my question.

1182
00:35:22,100 --> 00:35:23,100
>> I did. Those

1183
00:35:23,100 --> 00:35:24,100
of you who are familiar

1184
00:35:24,100 --> 00:35:25,100
with the lobby space

1185
00:35:25,100 --> 00:35:27,100
into the main building

1186
00:35:27,100 --> 00:35:28,100
of the public works

1187
00:35:28,100 --> 00:35:30,100
on one side and fire station

1188
00:35:30,100 --> 00:35:31,100
on the other. It's literally

1189
00:35:31,100 --> 00:35:33,100
just that area that has the

1190
00:35:33,100 --> 00:35:35,100
countertop. And

1191
00:35:35,100 --> 00:35:36,100
behind the rest of the lobby

1192
00:35:36,100 --> 00:35:37,100
space will be a shared space.

1193
00:35:37,100 --> 00:35:38,100
The fire department has things

1194
00:35:38,100 --> 00:35:39,100
on one side, the public works

1195
00:35:39,100 --> 00:35:40,100
will have things

1196
00:35:40,100 --> 00:35:41,100
on the other side. What's going

1197
00:35:41,100 --> 00:35:42,100
to be nice about it is right

1198
00:35:42,100 --> 00:35:43,100
now as you walk into the

1199
00:35:43,100 --> 00:35:44,100
facility when those front doors

1200
00:35:44,100 --> 00:35:45,100
are open because that entire

1201
00:35:45,100 --> 00:35:46,100
building is key card secured,

1202
00:35:46,100 --> 00:35:47,100
you have to pick up the phone

1203
00:35:47,100 --> 00:35:48,100
and call and have somebody

1204
00:35:48,100 --> 00:35:49,100
answer the line in order

1205
00:35:49,100 --> 00:35:50,100
to even get you out

1206
00:35:50,100 --> 00:35:51,100
of the lobby

1207
00:35:51,100 --> 00:35:52,100
to go anywhere else. So, when

1208
00:35:52,100 --> 00:35:53,100
PCI is there

1209
00:35:53,100 --> 00:35:54,100
during their schedule,

1210
00:35:54,100 --> 00:35:55,100
they'll be able to help assist

1211
00:35:55,100 --> 00:35:56,100
with the residents or

1212
00:35:56,100 --> 00:35:57,100
nonresidents who come

1213
00:35:57,100 --> 00:35:58,100
in and need to have service by

1214
00:35:58,100 --> 00:35:59,100
the public works or the fire

1215
00:35:59,100 --> 00:36:00,100
station. And, and, or

1216
00:36:00,100 --> 00:36:01,100
for just people who need

1217
00:36:01,100 --> 00:36:02,100
to go up too,

1218
00:36:02,100 --> 00:36:04,100
because we're having meetings

1219
00:36:04,100 --> 00:36:06,100
of some short,

1220
00:36:06,100 --> 00:36:07,100
which we do quite often

1221
00:36:07,100 --> 00:36:08,100
over there. So that is another

1222
00:36:08,100 --> 00:36:09,100
added benefit to this. So, this

1223
00:36:09,100 --> 00:36:10,100
depiction has the entire lobby

1224
00:36:10,100 --> 00:36:12,100
and as you can see on the

1225
00:36:12,100 --> 00:36:13,100
left-hand side. I don't know if

1226
00:36:13,100 --> 00:36:14,100
you're going to be able to.

1227
00:36:14,100 --> 00:36:15,100
Oh, there you go. Yeah, that'll

1228
00:36:15,100 --> 00:36:16,100
work. There you go, so at the

1229
00:36:16,100 --> 00:36:19,601
bottom you can see where it

1230
00:36:20,100 --> 00:36:22,401
says the 32 square feet.

1231
00:36:24,100 --> 00:36:26,100
That's the area that they are

1232
00:36:26,100 --> 00:36:27,100
going to be housed in box

1233
00:36:27,100 --> 00:36:29,100
within a box.

1234
00:36:37,100 --> 00:36:39,100
>> Yeah, you know,

1235
00:36:40,100 --> 00:36:42,100
they have access to it.

1236
00:36:42,100 --> 00:36:43,100
But I note on the. Essentially

1237
00:36:43,100 --> 00:36:46,601
if in the event the parking

1238
00:36:49,100 --> 00:36:50,100
management agreement is

1239
00:36:50,100 --> 00:36:52,100
terminated,

1240
00:36:57,100 --> 00:36:58,100
which correct me if I'm. Isn't

1241
00:36:58,100 --> 00:37:00,100
there

1242
00:37:00,100 --> 00:37:01,100
like a 30-day termination

1243
00:37:01,100 --> 00:37:02,100
on that.

1244
00:37:02,100 --> 00:37:03,100
>> So, this would also

1245
00:37:03,100 --> 00:37:04,100
terminate

1246
00:37:04,100 --> 00:37:06,401
on the same timeframe.

1247
00:37:10,100 --> 00:37:12,100
>> Correct.

1248
00:37:15,100 --> 00:37:16,100
>> Okay.

1249
00:37:16,100 --> 00:37:17,100
>> Is parking going

1250
00:37:17,100 --> 00:37:18,100
to be a challenge

1251
00:37:18,100 --> 00:37:19,100
for citizens coming up to.

1252
00:37:19,100 --> 00:37:20,100
>> So right now, based upon the

1253
00:37:20,100 --> 00:37:22,100
front area where the public

1254
00:37:22,100 --> 00:37:24,100
works side of things,

1255
00:37:24,100 --> 00:37:25,100
those are staying open anyways.

1256
00:37:25,100 --> 00:37:26,100
And there are at least two

1257
00:37:26,100 --> 00:37:27,100
spots as well as two handicap

1258
00:37:27,100 --> 00:37:28,100
spots. So those would stay

1259
00:37:28,100 --> 00:37:29,100
remain open for residents able

1260
00:37:29,100 --> 00:37:30,100
to come and deal. I did have a

1261
00:37:30,100 --> 00:37:31,100
conversation with PCI. There

1262
00:37:31,100 --> 00:37:32,100
are some times where I think

1263
00:37:32,100 --> 00:37:33,100
Tuesdays are

1264
00:37:33,100 --> 00:37:34,100
like their busiest days.

1265
00:37:34,100 --> 00:37:35,100
But most of the time they don't

1266
00:37:35,100 --> 00:37:36,100
have a whole lot

1267
00:37:36,100 --> 00:37:37,100
of traffic that's coming

1268
00:37:37,100 --> 00:37:38,100
in and out. Mainly they deal

1269
00:37:38,100 --> 00:37:39,100
with residents and nonresidents

1270
00:37:39,100 --> 00:37:40,100
out in the field when they're

1271
00:37:40,100 --> 00:37:41,100
out by the beaches. And then

1272
00:37:41,100 --> 00:37:42,100
they're going to have two

1273
00:37:42,100 --> 00:37:43,100
designated spots that will work

1274
00:37:43,100 --> 00:37:44,100
out to where best suits

1275
00:37:44,100 --> 00:37:45,100
for that.

1276
00:37:45,100 --> 00:37:46,100
>> I think one of the things

1277
00:37:46,100 --> 00:37:47,100
that was brought up in the past

1278
00:37:47,100 --> 00:37:48,100
was people would say,

1279
00:37:48,100 --> 00:37:49,100
you know this Satellite beach,

1280
00:37:49,100 --> 00:37:50,100
this does satellite beach

1281
00:37:50,100 --> 00:37:51,100
parking. Why is there office

1282
00:37:51,100 --> 00:37:53,100
outside of Satellite Beach? I

1283
00:37:53,100 --> 00:37:54,100
heard that comment more than

1284
00:37:54,100 --> 00:37:55,100
once. So, I think that would

1285
00:37:55,100 --> 00:37:56,100
at least from concerned

1286
00:37:56,100 --> 00:37:58,401
citizens perspective who made

1287
00:38:00,100 --> 00:38:02,100
those observations that hey,

1288
00:38:02,100 --> 00:38:04,100
this is out of the city,

1289
00:38:04,100 --> 00:38:05,100
should be in the city, belongs

1290
00:38:05,100 --> 00:38:07,100
to the city. It would solve

1291
00:38:07,100 --> 00:38:08,100
that issue anyways,

1292
00:38:08,100 --> 00:38:10,100
put it closer. And

1293
00:38:10,100 --> 00:38:11,100
since everybody seemed

1294
00:38:11,100 --> 00:38:12,100
to show up

1295
00:38:12,100 --> 00:38:14,100
to city hall anyways, asking

1296
00:38:14,100 --> 00:38:15,100
about this puts it closer

1297
00:38:15,100 --> 00:38:17,100
in range. Instead

1298
00:38:18,100 --> 00:38:20,100
of telling hey, you turn around

1299
00:38:20,100 --> 00:38:21,100
and go drive all the way up A1A

1300
00:38:21,100 --> 00:38:24,601
and to go to the office.

1301
00:38:25,100 --> 00:38:27,100
>> The office manager.

1302
00:38:27,100 --> 00:38:28,100
>> Ashley?

1303
00:38:28,100 --> 00:38:29,100
>> Ashley. I thought it was

1304
00:38:29,100 --> 00:38:30,100
Ashley and then I wasn't sure.

1305
00:38:30,100 --> 00:38:32,100
I talked to her,

1306
00:38:32,100 --> 00:38:33,100
she was excited about this.

1307
00:38:33,100 --> 00:38:35,100
She thought this was going

1308
00:38:35,100 --> 00:38:36,100
to be really good. Is she going

1309
00:38:36,100 --> 00:38:38,100
to keep the same office hours?

1310
00:38:38,100 --> 00:38:39,100
>> Yeah. So, I think the plan

1311
00:38:39,100 --> 00:38:41,100
right now is to be Tuesday,

1312
00:38:41,100 --> 00:38:43,401
Wednesday and Thursday from 9

1313
00:38:45,100 --> 00:38:46,100
to 3. I think their hours

1314
00:38:46,100 --> 00:38:47,100
actually are like 10 to 4.

1315
00:38:47,100 --> 00:38:48,100
But I think we've asked them

1316
00:38:48,100 --> 00:38:49,100
to adjust them to be 9 to 3.

1317
00:38:49,100 --> 00:38:50,100
It would help public works and

1318
00:38:50,100 --> 00:38:51,100
the fire department out a

1319
00:38:51,100 --> 00:38:53,100
little better that way so

1320
00:38:53,100 --> 00:38:54,100
they're amenable

1321
00:38:54,100 --> 00:38:55,100
to that. I also thought

1322
00:38:55,100 --> 00:38:56,100
with it being at the corner

1323
00:38:56,100 --> 00:38:57,100
of Jackson and A1A obviously

1324
00:38:57,100 --> 00:38:58,100
that puts it closer

1325
00:38:58,100 --> 00:38:59,100
to the beaches. And actually,

1326
00:38:59,100 --> 00:39:00,100
Ashley actually lives in here

1327
00:39:00,100 --> 00:39:01,100
in Satellite beach. So that

1328
00:39:01,100 --> 00:39:02,100
Was a nice feature as well

1329
00:39:02,100 --> 00:39:03,100
to have that as well.

1330
00:39:03,100 --> 00:39:04,100
>> And they also service

1331
00:39:04,100 --> 00:39:05,100
Indian harbor beach now. Yes.

1332
00:39:05,100 --> 00:39:07,100
>> And I don't. I'm just

1333
00:39:07,100 --> 00:39:08,100
curious. So, would Indian

1334
00:39:08,100 --> 00:39:10,100
harbor folks be potentially

1335
00:39:10,100 --> 00:39:13,100
coming in there as well?

1336
00:39:23,100 --> 00:39:24,100
>> The potential is there.

1337
00:39:24,100 --> 00:39:25,100
Yeah.

1338
00:39:25,100 --> 00:39:26,100
>> Wouldn't be a lot of.

1339
00:39:26,100 --> 00:39:27,100
There's not a lot of spaces

1340
00:39:27,100 --> 00:39:28,100
down there.

1341
00:39:28,100 --> 00:39:30,100
>> No.

1342
00:39:31,100 --> 00:39:33,100
>> Yeah, no, I'm just. I just

1343
00:39:33,100 --> 00:39:34,100
was just curious

1344
00:39:34,100 --> 00:39:35,100
about that. I mean,

1345
00:39:35,100 --> 00:39:36,100
it's there. It's their space

1346
00:39:36,100 --> 00:39:37,100
to use for their commercial

1347
00:39:37,100 --> 00:39:38,100
purposes as they see fit,

1348
00:39:38,100 --> 00:39:39,100
not limited to Satellite beach

1349
00:39:39,100 --> 00:39:40,100
business.

1350
00:39:40,100 --> 00:39:41,100
>> Any further up here,

1351
00:39:41,100 --> 00:39:42,100
questions wise. If not,

1352
00:39:42,100 --> 00:39:43,100
I'll open it up

1353
00:39:43,100 --> 00:39:44,100
to citizens comment

1354
00:39:44,100 --> 00:39:45,100
on agenda item 10

1355
00:39:45,100 --> 00:39:46,100
by carried comment on it

1356
00:39:46,100 --> 00:39:47,100
hearing none. I'll bring it up

1357
00:39:47,100 --> 00:39:48,100
here. Nothing further. I'll

1358
00:39:48,100 --> 00:39:49,100
entertain a motion

1359
00:39:49,100 --> 00:39:50,100
for this.

1360
00:39:50,100 --> 00:39:52,100
>> I'll make a motion

1361
00:39:52,100 --> 00:39:54,100
to approve lease agreement

1362
00:39:54,100 --> 00:39:56,100
between the city of Satellite

1363
00:39:56,100 --> 00:39:58,100
beach and PCI Services LLC.

1364
00:39:58,100 --> 00:40:00,100
>> Second.

1365
00:40:00,100 --> 00:40:01,100
>> Okay, motion.

1366
00:40:01,100 --> 00:40:03,100
>> Second. There's nothing

1367
00:40:04,100 --> 00:40:06,100
further. Gwen?

1368
00:40:15,100 --> 00:40:16,100
>> [ CALLING ROLL]

1369
00:40:16,100 --> 00:40:18,100
>> Motion passes.

1370
00:40:22,100 --> 00:40:23,100
>> All right, Next, agenda item

1371
00:40:23,100 --> 00:40:24,100
11, discuss take action

1372
00:40:24,100 --> 00:40:25,100
on regulating smoking vaping

1373
00:40:25,100 --> 00:40:26,100
on city property.

1374
00:40:26,100 --> 00:40:27,100
>> Thank you, Mayor. So, this

1375
00:40:27,100 --> 00:40:28,100
item is brought to you as the

1376
00:40:28,100 --> 00:40:29,100
last council meeting. It was

1377
00:40:29,100 --> 00:40:30,100
discussed and we wanted to

1378
00:40:30,100 --> 00:40:32,100
bring some additional

1379
00:40:32,100 --> 00:40:33,100
information. The staff has

1380
00:40:33,100 --> 00:40:35,100
worked to gather that

1381
00:40:35,100 --> 00:40:36,100
information that is part

1382
00:40:36,100 --> 00:40:37,100
of your packet this evening.

1383
00:40:37,100 --> 00:40:38,100
So really, we just wanted

1384
00:40:38,100 --> 00:40:39,100
to provide that to you and then

1385
00:40:39,100 --> 00:40:40,100
provide us some discussion

1386
00:40:40,100 --> 00:40:42,100
about what to consider and what

1387
00:40:42,100 --> 00:40:43,100
as you're looking into this.

1388
00:40:43,100 --> 00:40:44,100
So, with that,

1389
00:40:44,100 --> 00:40:45,100
we'll leave it up

1390
00:40:45,100 --> 00:40:46,100
for open discussion and be

1391
00:40:46,100 --> 00:40:48,100
happy to discuss it. Our police

1392
00:40:48,100 --> 00:40:49,100
chief is here, Fire chief is

1393
00:40:49,100 --> 00:40:51,100
here, Recreation director is

1394
00:40:51,100 --> 00:40:52,100
here. All of those departments

1395
00:40:52,100 --> 00:40:53,100
that would be affected

1396
00:40:53,100 --> 00:40:54,100
by making these types

1397
00:40:54,100 --> 00:40:56,100
of changes. So, I wanted

1398
00:40:56,100 --> 00:40:57,100
to have them all here

1399
00:40:57,100 --> 00:40:58,100
for expertise

1400
00:40:58,100 --> 00:40:59,100
to help answer some

1401
00:40:59,100 --> 00:41:01,100
of the questions that you may

1402
00:41:01,100 --> 00:41:03,100
have.

1403
00:41:07,100 --> 00:41:08,100
>> All right.

1404
00:41:08,100 --> 00:41:09,100
>> Who would like to start?

1405
00:41:09,100 --> 00:41:10,100
Anybody got any questions,

1406
00:41:10,100 --> 00:41:12,100
thoughts, theories?

1407
00:41:12,100 --> 00:41:13,100
>> It being delayed again as a

1408
00:41:13,100 --> 00:41:14,100
topic has brought a lot

1409
00:41:14,100 --> 00:41:15,100
of comments

1410
00:41:15,100 --> 00:41:16,100
from the citizens,

1411
00:41:16,100 --> 00:41:17,100
which is what we want, right?

1412
00:41:17,100 --> 00:41:19,100
We want

1413
00:41:19,100 --> 00:41:20,100
to represent the citizens. And

1414
00:41:20,100 --> 00:41:22,100
the more that we discuss it,

1415
00:41:22,100 --> 00:41:24,401
and unfortunately it seems

1416
00:41:25,100 --> 00:41:26,100
like a delay,

1417
00:41:26,100 --> 00:41:27,100
but the more we discuss it,

1418
00:41:27,100 --> 00:41:28,100
the more input we have. So.

1419
00:41:28,100 --> 00:41:31,100
And that's a wonderful thing. I

1420
00:41:31,100 --> 00:41:32,100
know we've received emails

1421
00:41:32,100 --> 00:41:34,100
at our council. Email addresses

1422
00:41:34,100 --> 00:41:36,100
of course, correspond

1423
00:41:36,100 --> 00:41:38,100
with some of those directly.

1424
00:41:38,100 --> 00:41:41,100
And there is an overwhelming

1425
00:41:42,100 --> 00:41:44,100
consensus, I guess,

1426
00:41:44,100 --> 00:41:47,100
for the ban, based on

1427
00:41:47,100 --> 00:41:49,100
observations that citizens have

1428
00:41:49,100 --> 00:41:51,401
seen the negative aspect,

1429
00:41:52,100 --> 00:41:54,100
the unfortunate negative aspect

1430
00:41:54,100 --> 00:41:56,100
of the smoking and vaping

1431
00:41:56,100 --> 00:41:58,100
on our beaches,

1432
00:42:01,100 --> 00:42:03,401
on our walkways and

1433
00:42:04,100 --> 00:42:05,100
on our citizens seems to be

1434
00:42:05,100 --> 00:42:07,100
overwhelmingly supporting this.

1435
00:42:08,100 --> 00:42:10,100
An ordinance

1436
00:42:10,100 --> 00:42:12,100
to ban smoking and vaping

1437
00:42:12,100 --> 00:42:14,100
on city property. What I've

1438
00:42:14,100 --> 00:42:15,100
read is there are some areas

1439
00:42:15,100 --> 00:42:18,100
that should not even be

1440
00:42:19,100 --> 00:42:21,100
questionable as far as

1441
00:42:21,100 --> 00:42:23,401
approaches go. Beach access

1442
00:42:24,100 --> 00:42:26,100
goes, public parks goes. There

1443
00:42:26,100 --> 00:42:28,100
may be some questions regarding

1444
00:42:28,100 --> 00:42:29,100
the open beach. There was a

1445
00:42:29,100 --> 00:42:31,100
discussion on don't allow it in

1446
00:42:31,100 --> 00:42:33,401
parking lots because we'll

1447
00:42:41,100 --> 00:42:43,100
still get butts on in the

1448
00:42:43,100 --> 00:42:44,100
parking lots. I heard we also

1449
00:42:44,100 --> 00:42:47,100
have last time we talked about

1450
00:42:47,100 --> 00:42:48,100
distributing those ashtrays

1451
00:42:48,100 --> 00:42:52,100
that were provided to us by the

1452
00:42:52,100 --> 00:42:53,100
SWAT team students awareness

1453
00:42:53,100 --> 00:42:54,100
and the ashtrays we have out

1454
00:42:54,100 --> 00:42:57,100
there are full and it's just

1455
00:42:57,100 --> 00:42:59,100
creating more workload

1456
00:43:00,100 --> 00:43:02,100
for our city staff. Go clean

1457
00:43:02,100 --> 00:43:04,100
ashtrays. We don't want to get

1458
00:43:04,100 --> 00:43:07,601
in that business per se. So,

1459
00:43:11,100 --> 00:43:12,100
I'm just trying to create

1460
00:43:12,100 --> 00:43:14,100
conversation amongst us,

1461
00:43:14,100 --> 00:43:15,100
amongst all of us right. That

1462
00:43:15,100 --> 00:43:17,100
are sitting

1463
00:43:17,100 --> 00:43:18,100
out there too that it seems to

1464
00:43:18,100 --> 00:43:19,100
be more overwhelming than I

1465
00:43:19,100 --> 00:43:20,100
anticipated

1466
00:43:20,100 --> 00:43:21,100
to have such an ordinance

1467
00:43:21,100 --> 00:43:22,100
in place. So that's a positive

1468
00:43:22,100 --> 00:43:24,100
thing. We're moving in a common

1469
00:43:24,100 --> 00:43:26,100
direction.

1470
00:43:26,100 --> 00:43:27,100
>> I'll jump in.

1471
00:43:27,100 --> 00:43:29,100
>> Yes, please.

1472
00:43:29,100 --> 00:43:31,100
>> Yes, my view

1473
00:43:31,100 --> 00:43:32,100
on this is unchanged

1474
00:43:32,100 --> 00:43:34,100
since the last meeting. Not

1475
00:43:34,100 --> 00:43:35,100
because I'm stubborn,

1476
00:43:35,100 --> 00:43:37,100
although I am. You know I have

1477
00:43:37,100 --> 00:43:39,100
had more time to think

1478
00:43:39,100 --> 00:43:40,100
about it. I don't,

1479
00:43:40,100 --> 00:43:41,100
I don't think I've counted it

1480
00:43:41,100 --> 00:43:42,100
but I've had as I think it

1481
00:43:42,100 --> 00:43:44,100
feels like I've had as much

1482
00:43:44,100 --> 00:43:45,100
feedback those in terms

1483
00:43:45,100 --> 00:43:46,100
of emails and just talking

1484
00:43:46,100 --> 00:43:48,100
to people on this as I've had

1485
00:43:48,100 --> 00:43:50,100
about a lot of other things.

1486
00:43:50,100 --> 00:43:51,100
Maybe parking's up there and

1487
00:43:51,100 --> 00:43:52,100
some other stuff but it's been

1488
00:43:52,100 --> 00:43:54,100
a fair amount and all trending

1489
00:43:54,100 --> 00:43:55,100
in a direction that I think is

1490
00:43:55,100 --> 00:43:57,100
supportive

1491
00:44:03,100 --> 00:44:04,100
of the same position

1492
00:44:04,100 --> 00:44:06,100
of sticking

1493
00:44:06,100 --> 00:44:08,100
with the ordinances presented

1494
00:44:08,100 --> 00:44:09,100
at the last meeting which it

1495
00:44:09,100 --> 00:44:10,100
looks like would be consistent

1496
00:44:10,100 --> 00:44:13,100
with Melbourne Beach. I do

1497
00:44:14,100 --> 00:44:15,100
philosophically understand the

1498
00:44:15,100 --> 00:44:17,100
concept of trying

1499
00:44:17,100 --> 00:44:19,100
to do carve outs. My practical

1500
00:44:19,100 --> 00:44:20,100
concern with that is the

1501
00:44:20,100 --> 00:44:22,401
exception swallowing the rule

1502
00:44:26,100 --> 00:44:28,100
and creating enforcement

1503
00:44:28,100 --> 00:44:30,100
headaches

1504
00:44:32,100 --> 00:44:34,100
for staff and you know, like I

1505
00:44:34,100 --> 00:44:38,801
said so I think it's. I think a

1506
00:44:41,100 --> 00:44:42,100
ban on smoking and vaping is

1507
00:44:42,100 --> 00:44:43,100
reflected in what Melbourne

1508
00:44:43,100 --> 00:44:44,100
beach had and what was

1509
00:44:44,100 --> 00:44:45,100
presented

1510
00:44:45,100 --> 00:44:46,100
at the last meeting. That

1511
00:44:46,100 --> 00:44:47,100
remains my position I will

1512
00:44:47,100 --> 00:44:48,100
note. And I emailed the city

1513
00:44:48,100 --> 00:44:49,100
manager, maybe the assistant

1514
00:44:49,100 --> 00:44:50,100
city manager too just to remind

1515
00:44:50,100 --> 00:44:51,100
myself because I'm a bit of an

1516
00:44:51,100 --> 00:44:52,100
absent-minded professor

1517
00:44:52,100 --> 00:44:53,100
personality type. I hadn't

1518
00:44:53,100 --> 00:44:54,100
really been paying attention

1519
00:44:54,100 --> 00:44:55,100
but I went for a run

1520
00:44:55,100 --> 00:44:56,100
around the city as I need

1521
00:44:56,100 --> 00:44:58,100
to do more of but still do an

1522
00:44:58,100 --> 00:44:59,100
occasionally and I was happened

1523
00:44:59,100 --> 00:45:03,801
to be this was on my mind. I

1524
00:45:07,100 --> 00:45:08,100
was shocked and appalled by how

1525
00:45:08,100 --> 00:45:09,100
many cigarette butts I saw

1526
00:45:09,100 --> 00:45:10,100
adjacent to the

1527
00:45:10,100 --> 00:45:13,100
to the sidewalk notably along

1528
00:45:13,100 --> 00:45:15,100
Jackson in front of all that

1529
00:45:15,100 --> 00:45:16,100
city property there. The

1530
00:45:16,100 --> 00:45:17,100
schools, the new beautiful,

1531
00:45:17,100 --> 00:45:19,100
you know Fire and public works.

1532
00:45:19,100 --> 00:45:21,401
So, I don't want

1533
00:45:22,100 --> 00:45:23,100
to get too preachy,

1534
00:45:23,100 --> 00:45:24,100
because I try not to do that.

1535
00:45:24,100 --> 00:45:26,100
But its people are not being

1536
00:45:26,100 --> 00:45:28,100
responsible who are choosing

1537
00:45:28,100 --> 00:45:31,100
to still smoke cigarettes in

1538
00:45:33,100 --> 00:45:35,401
2025. So that's my view.

1539
00:45:39,100 --> 00:45:41,100
>> Jody. Steve, so my concern

1540
00:45:41,100 --> 00:45:42,100
is with enforcement. And, you

1541
00:45:42,100 --> 00:45:45,100
know, again, so we make a rule

1542
00:45:45,100 --> 00:45:47,100
saying that you can't smoke or

1543
00:45:47,100 --> 00:45:48,100
in or vape in this area. Who's

1544
00:45:48,100 --> 00:45:50,100
out there enforcing,

1545
00:45:55,100 --> 00:45:56,100
and that's on another citizen.

1546
00:45:56,100 --> 00:45:57,100
But then what is the punishment

1547
00:45:57,100 --> 00:45:59,401
once the police respond

1548
00:46:02,100 --> 00:46:03,100
to that? Because if you don't

1549
00:46:03,100 --> 00:46:05,100
have punishment,

1550
00:46:05,100 --> 00:46:07,100
what's the point? So, we would

1551
00:46:07,100 --> 00:46:09,100
have to discuss what would be

1552
00:46:09,100 --> 00:46:10,100
the citation and the penalty

1553
00:46:10,100 --> 00:46:12,401
for somebody else complaining

1554
00:46:13,100 --> 00:46:15,100
on another person and actually

1555
00:46:15,100 --> 00:46:17,401
having enforcement show up.

1556
00:46:20,100 --> 00:46:23,100
Otherwise it's a useless rule.

1557
00:46:23,100 --> 00:46:25,100
So, we have to be aware

1558
00:46:25,100 --> 00:46:26,100
of that. I agree. And I

1559
00:46:26,100 --> 00:46:28,100
appreciate putting in the

1560
00:46:28,100 --> 00:46:30,401
citation penalties section here

1561
00:46:31,100 --> 00:46:33,100
to let us know what other

1562
00:46:33,100 --> 00:46:35,100
cities and stuff are doing,

1563
00:46:35,100 --> 00:46:37,100
because you make a good point,

1564
00:46:37,100 --> 00:46:39,100
right? I mean, it's good

1565
00:46:39,100 --> 00:46:40,100
to know that information, what

1566
00:46:40,100 --> 00:46:41,100
other folks are doing or what

1567
00:46:41,100 --> 00:46:43,100
they've had to deal with

1568
00:46:43,100 --> 00:46:45,100
Jody.

1569
00:46:48,100 --> 00:46:49,100
>> I'm still listening to

1570
00:46:49,100 --> 00:46:51,100
everybody right now.

1571
00:46:52,100 --> 00:46:54,100
>> I will tell you. I think I'm

1572
00:46:54,100 --> 00:46:56,100
in agreement with most folks.

1573
00:46:56,100 --> 00:46:58,100
Most of the comments and stuff

1574
00:46:58,100 --> 00:46:59,100
I heard are largely banned.

1575
00:46:59,100 --> 00:47:00,100
The only one, the only thing

1576
00:47:00,100 --> 00:47:02,100
that I actually heard

1577
00:47:02,100 --> 00:47:04,100
from actually a couple folks,

1578
00:47:04,100 --> 00:47:06,100
was just

1579
00:47:06,100 --> 00:47:08,100
about a designated smoking

1580
00:47:08,100 --> 00:47:10,100
area. But the only place they

1581
00:47:10,100 --> 00:47:13,100
brought that up was at Pelican

1582
00:47:13,100 --> 00:47:14,100
beach, mainly because of the

1583
00:47:14,100 --> 00:47:16,100
pavilions and family gatherings

1584
00:47:16,100 --> 00:47:17,100
and all that other stuff that

1585
00:47:17,100 --> 00:47:18,100
goes on there. And it's

1586
00:47:18,100 --> 00:47:20,100
probably one

1587
00:47:22,100 --> 00:47:23,100
of our larger areas. So that

1588
00:47:23,100 --> 00:47:24,100
was the only one that they

1589
00:47:24,100 --> 00:47:25,100
said, you know, would there be

1590
00:47:25,100 --> 00:47:26,100
a, designating a designated

1591
00:47:26,100 --> 00:47:29,100
spot, a smoking spot somewhere

1592
00:47:30,100 --> 00:47:33,601
in that area? I mean, that

1593
00:47:35,100 --> 00:47:36,100
could be troublesome only

1594
00:47:36,100 --> 00:47:37,100
because you're close

1595
00:47:37,100 --> 00:47:38,100
to the beach also that's there,

1596
00:47:38,100 --> 00:47:40,100
and you have a playground

1597
00:47:40,100 --> 00:47:42,100
that's also there. So, you

1598
00:47:42,100 --> 00:47:44,100
know, and you can't get too far

1599
00:47:44,100 --> 00:47:46,100
away because you got the

1600
00:47:46,100 --> 00:47:48,100
volleyball area there and all

1601
00:47:48,100 --> 00:47:50,100
that other stuff. But that, I

1602
00:47:50,100 --> 00:47:51,100
mean, that's just the only

1603
00:47:51,100 --> 00:47:52,100
other comment that I,

1604
00:47:52,100 --> 00:47:53,100
that I got out of it,

1605
00:47:53,100 --> 00:47:54,100
that someone had just mentioned

1606
00:47:54,100 --> 00:47:55,100
that, and that was the only

1607
00:47:55,100 --> 00:47:58,100
place they mentioned it, not,

1608
00:48:00,100 --> 00:48:03,601
not anywhere else or any other

1609
00:48:04,100 --> 00:48:06,100
property or crossovers or

1610
00:48:06,100 --> 00:48:07,100
anything. So that was the only

1611
00:48:07,100 --> 00:48:10,601
part that I, that I heard

1612
00:48:17,100 --> 00:48:19,100
from that I see where

1613
00:48:19,100 --> 00:48:21,401
Melbourne beach has their

1614
00:48:34,100 --> 00:48:35,100
citation, which in Atlantic is

1615
00:48:35,100 --> 00:48:36,100
pretty much similar to that,

1616
00:48:36,100 --> 00:48:37,100
other than Palm Bay kicks you

1617
00:48:37,100 --> 00:48:38,100
out of the park.

1618
00:48:38,100 --> 00:48:39,100
>> Yeah, I said, I said

1619
00:48:39,100 --> 00:48:40,100
Melbourne beach,

1620
00:48:40,100 --> 00:48:42,100
it's a combination of Palm Bay

1621
00:48:42,100 --> 00:48:44,100
and Milk, is not exactly

1622
00:48:44,100 --> 00:48:45,100
like any anyone else will

1623
00:48:45,100 --> 00:48:46,100
Pretty close to Melbourne beach

1624
00:48:46,100 --> 00:48:47,100
and Palm Bay. That Melbourne

1625
00:48:47,100 --> 00:48:48,100
beach has a fine.

1626
00:48:48,100 --> 00:48:50,100
>> There's. It's not allowed in

1627
00:48:50,100 --> 00:48:51,100
parks and beaches. I guess it

1628
00:48:51,100 --> 00:48:52,100
doesn't specify other city

1629
00:48:52,100 --> 00:48:53,100
property combat.

1630
00:48:53,100 --> 00:48:54,100
>> So, I didn't mean

1631
00:48:54,100 --> 00:48:55,100
to jump in. No, no, no,

1632
00:48:55,100 --> 00:48:56,100
that's good. And I just.

1633
00:48:56,100 --> 00:48:57,100
Looking at some of the issues

1634
00:48:57,100 --> 00:48:58,100
to consider, I certainly,

1635
00:48:58,100 --> 00:48:59,100
certainly would think we'd have

1636
00:48:59,100 --> 00:49:00,100
to have signage, and I know

1637
00:49:00,100 --> 00:49:01,100
in the harbor does,

1638
00:49:01,100 --> 00:49:02,100
because you can see it at

1639
00:49:02,100 --> 00:49:03,100
Gleason Park. You can see it

1640
00:49:03,100 --> 00:49:04,100
from the road. When you're

1641
00:49:04,100 --> 00:49:05,100
driving down the road,

1642
00:49:05,100 --> 00:49:08,100
it's there. It says that,

1643
00:49:08,100 --> 00:49:11,601
which would be good. You know,

1644
00:49:14,100 --> 00:49:15,100
I'm kind of like you. I'm good

1645
00:49:15,100 --> 00:49:16,100
with the way it was presented

1646
00:49:16,100 --> 00:49:19,100
the first time. I don't really

1647
00:49:19,100 --> 00:49:20,100
have any heartburn with that. I

1648
00:49:20,100 --> 00:49:22,100
guess I never really knew what

1649
00:49:22,100 --> 00:49:24,100
all those things were that I

1650
00:49:24,100 --> 00:49:26,100
saw that turned out to be vape

1651
00:49:26,100 --> 00:49:27,100
cartridges. I just. I guess

1652
00:49:27,100 --> 00:49:29,100
it's kind of

1653
00:49:29,100 --> 00:49:31,100
like you running.

1654
00:49:31,100 --> 00:49:32,100
>> Right.

1655
00:49:32,100 --> 00:49:34,100
>> If you're not looking

1656
00:49:34,100 --> 00:49:37,100
for it, you probably don't.

1657
00:49:37,100 --> 00:49:38,100
Don't see it.

1658
00:49:38,100 --> 00:49:41,100
But you're right. You know,

1659
00:49:42,100 --> 00:49:43,100
my last trip to the beach this

1660
00:49:43,100 --> 00:49:44,100
past weekend and what I saw,

1661
00:49:44,100 --> 00:49:45,100
even around the trash cans,

1662
00:49:45,100 --> 00:49:47,100
by the crossover and

1663
00:49:47,100 --> 00:49:48,100
on the crossover and going

1664
00:49:48,100 --> 00:49:50,100
down the stairs,

1665
00:49:50,100 --> 00:49:51,100
on the cross crossover and

1666
00:49:51,100 --> 00:49:53,100
at the bottom of the stairs,

1667
00:49:53,100 --> 00:49:54,100
the crossover, you know, and

1668
00:49:54,100 --> 00:49:55,100
that was just one beach access

1669
00:49:55,100 --> 00:49:57,100
that there was quite a bit that

1670
00:49:57,100 --> 00:49:59,100
that was there. And obviously,

1671
00:49:59,100 --> 00:50:00,100
if it's not in the trash can,

1672
00:50:00,100 --> 00:50:02,100
it's not getting picked up.

1673
00:50:02,100 --> 00:50:04,100
So. Amen for all our folks who

1674
00:50:04,100 --> 00:50:05,100
do regular beach cleanups.

1675
00:50:05,100 --> 00:50:07,100
Can't say how much we

1676
00:50:07,100 --> 00:50:10,100
appreciate you folks that do

1677
00:50:10,100 --> 00:50:12,100
that because it certainly needs

1678
00:50:12,100 --> 00:50:14,100
to be done. It's a mess

1679
00:50:14,100 --> 00:50:15,100
out there.

1680
00:50:15,100 --> 00:50:16,100
>> Is it kind of safe

1681
00:50:16,100 --> 00:50:19,100
to assume? And I appreciate the

1682
00:50:19,100 --> 00:50:21,100
staff putting this metric

1683
00:50:21,100 --> 00:50:24,100
together. Is it fairly safe to

1684
00:50:24,100 --> 00:50:25,100
assume that cities that allow

1685
00:50:25,100 --> 00:50:28,100
and allow? They just don't have

1686
00:50:28,100 --> 00:50:30,100
an ordinance that says you

1687
00:50:30,100 --> 00:50:31,100
can't have it? They never

1688
00:50:31,100 --> 00:50:33,100
really tackled the topic

1689
00:50:33,100 --> 00:50:36,100
correct. Okay. So, if it says

1690
00:50:36,100 --> 00:50:39,100
Melbourne allows and allows it,

1691
00:50:39,100 --> 00:50:40,100
it's because they never really

1692
00:50:40,100 --> 00:50:41,100
brought it back up to them.

1693
00:50:41,100 --> 00:50:42,100
Okay.

1694
00:50:42,100 --> 00:50:43,100
>> I think for the most part,

1695
00:50:43,100 --> 00:50:44,100
I mean, this is a relatively

1696
00:50:44,100 --> 00:50:47,100
new ordinance that the state

1697
00:50:47,100 --> 00:50:49,100
finally approved.

1698
00:50:50,100 --> 00:50:51,100
>> Yeah. It's mainly due to

1699
00:50:51,100 --> 00:50:52,100
that legislation that got

1700
00:50:52,100 --> 00:50:53,100
passed. And so, some of the

1701
00:50:53,100 --> 00:50:54,100
cities have taken the

1702
00:50:54,100 --> 00:50:55,100
opportunity to take a look

1703
00:50:55,100 --> 00:50:56,100
at it and put an ordinance

1704
00:50:56,100 --> 00:50:58,100
in place.

1705
00:51:00,100 --> 00:51:01,100
>> So, it's not like it's been

1706
00:51:01,100 --> 00:51:02,100
around for 50 years and no

1707
00:51:02,100 --> 00:51:03,100
one's ever done anything

1708
00:51:03,100 --> 00:51:04,100
about it. It is a relatively

1709
00:51:04,100 --> 00:51:06,100
very new ordinance. So, I think

1710
00:51:06,100 --> 00:51:07,100
just. Just like as we are,

1711
00:51:07,100 --> 00:51:10,100
it's. It's Just coming around

1712
00:51:10,100 --> 00:51:12,100
for people to look

1713
00:51:12,100 --> 00:51:13,100
at it and come up with that.

1714
00:51:13,100 --> 00:51:15,100
It's probably why there's not

1715
00:51:15,100 --> 00:51:16,100
as many in there. But I foresee

1716
00:51:16,100 --> 00:51:18,100
that will probably change.

1717
00:51:18,100 --> 00:51:19,100
>> I will tell you that the

1718
00:51:19,100 --> 00:51:20,100
students that were here are

1719
00:51:20,100 --> 00:51:22,100
making a full force effort

1720
00:51:22,100 --> 00:51:24,100
to get to all of the cities,

1721
00:51:24,100 --> 00:51:26,100
including the county,

1722
00:51:27,100 --> 00:51:28,100
to help try to get this done

1723
00:51:28,100 --> 00:51:29,100
with all the cities. So, yes, I

1724
00:51:29,100 --> 00:51:30,100
would agree.

1725
00:51:30,100 --> 00:51:31,100
>> I've got some more stuff I

1726
00:51:31,100 --> 00:51:32,100
want to go over, but I'd like

1727
00:51:32,100 --> 00:51:33,100
to wait till after citizens

1728
00:51:33,100 --> 00:51:34,100
comments because it we may hear

1729
00:51:34,100 --> 00:51:36,100
from them.

1730
00:51:37,100 --> 00:51:38,100
>> I was just going to. And the

1731
00:51:38,100 --> 00:51:40,401
chief just walked out

1732
00:51:41,100 --> 00:51:43,100
but I absolutely don't want

1733
00:51:43,100 --> 00:51:44,100
to see smoking or vaping

1734
00:51:44,100 --> 00:51:45,100
at our city parks or beaches.

1735
00:51:45,100 --> 00:51:47,100
My concern is enforcement and

1736
00:51:47,100 --> 00:51:49,100
what that does

1737
00:51:49,100 --> 00:51:52,100
to our city staff. So, can you

1738
00:51:52,100 --> 00:51:54,100
share any concerns?

1739
00:51:55,100 --> 00:51:56,100
>> I'll be honest. I think

1740
00:51:56,100 --> 00:51:58,100
it's. I mean, you're going

1741
00:51:58,100 --> 00:51:59,100
to face this in the next item

1742
00:51:59,100 --> 00:52:01,100
that we're going to talk about.

1743
00:52:01,100 --> 00:52:02,100
I think we all know that there

1744
00:52:02,100 --> 00:52:04,100
are things that happen that

1745
00:52:04,100 --> 00:52:05,100
may or may not be against an

1746
00:52:05,100 --> 00:52:06,100
ordinance. I think that it's

1747
00:52:06,100 --> 00:52:07,100
more about those things, that

1748
00:52:07,100 --> 00:52:08,100
this would give us an

1749
00:52:08,100 --> 00:52:09,100
opportunity to use it when it

1750
00:52:09,100 --> 00:52:11,100
becomes a problem. You know,

1751
00:52:11,100 --> 00:52:12,100
if somebody is out

1752
00:52:12,100 --> 00:52:13,100
in the parking lot near nobody

1753
00:52:13,100 --> 00:52:14,100
else and is smoking a cigarette

1754
00:52:14,100 --> 00:52:16,100
and isn't bothering anyone

1755
00:52:16,100 --> 00:52:17,100
because no one else is

1756
00:52:17,100 --> 00:52:18,100
around and no kids are around,

1757
00:52:18,100 --> 00:52:19,100
I don't foresee our officers

1758
00:52:19,100 --> 00:52:20,100
going

1759
00:52:20,100 --> 00:52:21,100
to that person and telling him

1760
00:52:21,100 --> 00:52:23,100
to put it out. You know what I

1761
00:52:23,100 --> 00:52:24,100
mean? But, you know,

1762
00:52:24,100 --> 00:52:25,100
if there's a group

1763
00:52:25,100 --> 00:52:26,100
of kids that are on the

1764
00:52:26,100 --> 00:52:27,100
crossover and they're all

1765
00:52:27,100 --> 00:52:28,000
smoking and families are trying

1766
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,100
to cross the crossover to get

1767
00:52:30,100 --> 00:52:31,100
to the beach, those would be

1768
00:52:31,100 --> 00:52:32,100
the opportunities where I think

1769
00:52:32,100 --> 00:52:34,100
that this would come more

1770
00:52:34,100 --> 00:52:35,100
into play, especially

1771
00:52:35,100 --> 00:52:36,100
at the playgrounds,

1772
00:52:36,100 --> 00:52:38,100
at the fields. You know,

1773
00:52:38,100 --> 00:52:40,100
an opportunity to tell that

1774
00:52:40,100 --> 00:52:42,100
parent who might be smoking

1775
00:52:42,100 --> 00:52:43,100
on the bleachers or vaping

1776
00:52:43,100 --> 00:52:45,100
on the bleachers too,

1777
00:52:45,100 --> 00:52:47,100
that it's not allowed. That's

1778
00:52:47,100 --> 00:52:48,100
where I think the enforcement

1779
00:52:48,100 --> 00:52:49,100
is going to come

1780
00:52:49,100 --> 00:52:51,100
into play.

1781
00:52:53,100 --> 00:52:55,100
>> Open it up for citizens.

1782
00:52:55,100 --> 00:52:57,100
Comment on agenda item 11. If

1783
00:52:57,100 --> 00:52:59,401
anybody wants to speak.

1784
00:53:01,100 --> 00:53:04,100
Please, sir. Yes, just come

1785
00:53:06,100 --> 00:53:07,100
upon. Give us your name, sir,

1786
00:53:07,100 --> 00:53:09,100
please.

1787
00:53:12,100 --> 00:53:13,100
>> Honorable members

1788
00:53:13,100 --> 00:53:14,100
of the city council,

1789
00:53:14,100 --> 00:53:15,100
my name is Ted Hunt. Can you

1790
00:53:15,100 --> 00:53:18,100
hear me? Okay. A resident of

1791
00:53:18,100 --> 00:53:21,100
Satellite Beach. I hope that

1792
00:53:23,100 --> 00:53:25,100
you will accept a few

1793
00:53:25,100 --> 00:53:26,100
of my ideas for consideration

1794
00:53:26,100 --> 00:53:28,100
and discussion. I think we've

1795
00:53:28,100 --> 00:53:30,401
not clearly identified a

1796
00:53:32,100 --> 00:53:35,100
specific public benefit of this

1797
00:53:37,100 --> 00:53:40,100
proposal other than it feels

1798
00:53:40,100 --> 00:53:41,100
good, we want it, it feels

1799
00:53:41,100 --> 00:53:44,601
good. I think that we have

1800
00:53:47,100 --> 00:53:48,100
another issue, which is the

1801
00:53:48,100 --> 00:53:50,401
potential benefits as compared

1802
00:53:51,100 --> 00:53:54,100
to the potential costs. We

1803
00:53:56,100 --> 00:53:57,100
haven't really identified what

1804
00:53:57,100 --> 00:54:00,100
the problem is and how this is

1805
00:54:00,100 --> 00:54:01,100
proposed

1806
00:54:01,100 --> 00:54:04,100
to resolve the problem. What is

1807
00:54:04,100 --> 00:54:06,100
the supporting data that a

1808
00:54:06,100 --> 00:54:08,100
problem even exists

1809
00:54:08,100 --> 00:54:10,401
in the first place?

1810
00:54:11,100 --> 00:54:12,100
In other words, how many

1811
00:54:12,100 --> 00:54:14,100
complaints have been received

1812
00:54:14,100 --> 00:54:15,100
specifically

1813
00:54:15,100 --> 00:54:16,100
about smoking or vaping

1814
00:54:16,100 --> 00:54:20,100
in the parks or at the beach?

1815
00:54:20,100 --> 00:54:22,100
And what is the nature

1816
00:54:22,100 --> 00:54:23,100
of those complaints, if

1817
00:54:23,100 --> 00:54:26,100
in fact any have been received?

1818
00:54:26,100 --> 00:54:28,100
Who complained? Is it the same

1819
00:54:28,100 --> 00:54:30,100
person or is its multiple

1820
00:54:30,100 --> 00:54:32,100
persons? And what

1821
00:54:32,100 --> 00:54:33,100
about the persons about whom

1822
00:54:33,100 --> 00:54:36,100
the complaints have been made?

1823
00:54:36,100 --> 00:54:37,100
What are the dates,

1824
00:54:37,100 --> 00:54:39,100
times and locations

1825
00:54:39,100 --> 00:54:41,100
of these complaints? And the

1826
00:54:41,100 --> 00:54:43,100
most important that you already

1827
00:54:43,100 --> 00:54:45,100
have addressed is how do you

1828
00:54:45,100 --> 00:54:46,100
intend

1829
00:54:46,100 --> 00:54:49,601
to enforce this ordinance? If I

1830
00:54:50,100 --> 00:54:52,100
understand Florida law

1831
00:54:53,100 --> 00:54:56,100
correctly and if it complies

1832
00:54:56,100 --> 00:54:57,100
with law throughout most

1833
00:54:57,100 --> 00:54:59,100
of the states, a peace officer

1834
00:54:59,100 --> 00:55:02,100
can make an arrest if a felony

1835
00:55:02,100 --> 00:55:04,100
is being committed

1836
00:55:05,100 --> 00:55:09,100
in his or her presence, if a

1837
00:55:09,100 --> 00:55:10,100
misdemeanor is being or an

1838
00:55:10,100 --> 00:55:11,100
infraction is being committed

1839
00:55:11,100 --> 00:55:12,100
in their presence,

1840
00:55:12,100 --> 00:55:14,100
but they cannot make one. They

1841
00:55:14,100 --> 00:55:15,100
cannot make a misdemeanor or

1842
00:55:15,100 --> 00:55:17,100
infraction arrest if that

1843
00:55:17,100 --> 00:55:18,100
misdemeanor infraction is not

1844
00:55:18,100 --> 00:55:20,100
being committed in their

1845
00:55:20,100 --> 00:55:23,100
presence. I could be wrong on

1846
00:55:23,100 --> 00:55:24,100
Florida law, but I don't think

1847
00:55:24,100 --> 00:55:27,100
so. I think the other issue

1848
00:55:27,100 --> 00:55:30,100
that we need to address are the

1849
00:55:30,100 --> 00:55:32,100
direct and indirect costs which

1850
00:55:32,100 --> 00:55:34,100
have already been exposed

1851
00:55:34,100 --> 00:55:37,100
on this proposal. And what are

1852
00:55:37,100 --> 00:55:39,100
the estimated future costs that

1853
00:55:39,100 --> 00:55:41,100
will see this proposal through

1854
00:55:41,100 --> 00:55:43,100
to implementation. Thank you

1855
00:55:43,100 --> 00:55:45,100
for your consideration.

1856
00:55:48,100 --> 00:55:50,100
>> Thank you, sir. Floor is

1857
00:55:50,100 --> 00:55:51,100
still open. Anybody cares

1858
00:55:51,100 --> 00:55:53,100
to comment?

1859
00:55:57,100 --> 00:55:59,100
>> Thank you, Council, it's

1860
00:55:59,100 --> 00:56:00,100
Robert chase. I'm at 796

1861
00:56:00,100 --> 00:56:02,100
Ocean Drive. You know,

1862
00:56:02,100 --> 00:56:03,100
I'm thankful for the email

1863
00:56:03,100 --> 00:56:05,100
responses I received and I

1864
00:56:05,100 --> 00:56:07,100
heard this had been tabled and

1865
00:56:07,100 --> 00:56:09,100
I took a few pictures on my

1866
00:56:09,100 --> 00:56:11,100
morning walk the next day.

1867
00:56:11,100 --> 00:56:13,100
So, I'm in favor of a total

1868
00:56:13,100 --> 00:56:15,100
ban. I think the smoking rate

1869
00:56:15,100 --> 00:56:17,100
is 12%. It goes

1870
00:56:17,100 --> 00:56:19,100
down every year. It's kind of a

1871
00:56:19,100 --> 00:56:21,100
problem that's resolving itself

1872
00:56:21,100 --> 00:56:22,100
slowly in the country. But we

1873
00:56:22,100 --> 00:56:24,100
know secondhand smoke is

1874
00:56:24,100 --> 00:56:26,100
harmful. But the biggest issue

1875
00:56:26,100 --> 00:56:28,100
in Satellite beach is the sheer

1876
00:56:28,100 --> 00:56:30,100
amount of litter, especially

1877
00:56:30,100 --> 00:56:32,401
around the beach accesses.

1878
00:56:33,100 --> 00:56:35,100
And, you know, I get thinking

1879
00:56:35,100 --> 00:56:36,100
about carve outs, but it really

1880
00:56:36,100 --> 00:56:38,401
is a small percentage

1881
00:56:40,100 --> 00:56:41,100
of people that keeps going

1882
00:56:41,100 --> 00:56:43,401
down each year. Enforcement's

1883
00:56:44,100 --> 00:56:45,100
tough. You know, I know. You

1884
00:56:45,100 --> 00:56:46,100
know, we walk every morning

1885
00:56:46,100 --> 00:56:47,100
along, you know,

1886
00:56:47,100 --> 00:56:48,100
past four beach accesses. It's

1887
00:56:48,100 --> 00:56:49,100
normal for police

1888
00:56:49,100 --> 00:56:50,100
to be patrolling that as part

1889
00:56:50,100 --> 00:56:51,100
of their normal route. So, you

1890
00:56:51,100 --> 00:56:52,100
know, I think they'll have to

1891
00:56:52,100 --> 00:56:53,100
ask the morning crew that shows

1892
00:56:53,100 --> 00:56:54,100
up and will change smoke at

1893
00:56:54,100 --> 00:56:55,100
Access is watching Sunrise or

1894
00:56:55,100 --> 00:56:56,100
idle their cars at Shell

1895
00:56:56,100 --> 00:56:57,100
Street. You know, just have

1896
00:56:57,100 --> 00:56:58,100
to ask them. You can't do that

1897
00:56:58,100 --> 00:56:59,100
anymore. And they'll move

1898
00:56:59,100 --> 00:57:00,100
along. I think that's a

1899
00:57:00,100 --> 00:57:01,100
particular problem area as our

1900
00:57:01,100 --> 00:57:02,100
southern beaches abandoned,

1901
00:57:02,100 --> 00:57:03,100
those folks migrated north and

1902
00:57:03,100 --> 00:57:05,100
that's where we're getting. A

1903
00:57:05,100 --> 00:57:07,100
lot of the litter issues. And

1904
00:57:07,100 --> 00:57:09,100
really what fires me up walking

1905
00:57:09,100 --> 00:57:11,100
every single morning and either

1906
00:57:11,100 --> 00:57:13,100
seeing all. This discarded or

1907
00:57:13,100 --> 00:57:14,100
the same people camped out

1908
00:57:14,100 --> 00:57:17,100
on the accesses. So, you know,

1909
00:57:17,100 --> 00:57:18,100
I appreciate what I heard

1910
00:57:18,100 --> 00:57:19,100
tonight. So, thank you.

1911
00:57:19,100 --> 00:57:21,100
>> Thank you

1912
00:57:21,100 --> 00:57:23,100
for the photographs.

1913
00:57:23,100 --> 00:57:25,100
Appreciate that. Floor's still

1914
00:57:25,100 --> 00:57:26,100
open

1915
00:57:26,100 --> 00:57:28,100
for a citizen's comments.

1916
00:57:28,100 --> 00:57:31,100
Anybody else cares to speak?

1917
00:57:33,100 --> 00:57:34,100
All right. Hearing none. I'll

1918
00:57:34,100 --> 00:57:36,100
bring it back up here. You have

1919
00:57:36,100 --> 00:57:38,100
more, Mike?

1920
00:57:39,100 --> 00:57:40,100
>> I have just a little bit

1921
00:57:40,100 --> 00:57:42,100
more. Trying to key off

1922
00:57:42,100 --> 00:57:43,100
of what,

1923
00:57:43,100 --> 00:57:45,401
what problem we're trying

1924
00:57:46,100 --> 00:57:47,100
to resolve. We are not trying

1925
00:57:47,100 --> 00:57:48,100
to fix anybody's health,

1926
00:57:48,100 --> 00:57:49,100
although that's a positive

1927
00:57:49,100 --> 00:57:50,100
off this.

1928
00:57:50,100 --> 00:57:52,100
But what we're trying

1929
00:57:52,100 --> 00:57:53,100
to resolve is this litter.

1930
00:57:53,100 --> 00:57:54,100
So, I've got an email here of

1931
00:57:54,100 --> 00:57:56,100
an individual that walks a few

1932
00:57:56,100 --> 00:57:58,100
times a day actually picks up

1933
00:57:58,100 --> 00:58:00,100
cigarette butts that this

1934
00:58:00,100 --> 00:58:02,401
individual sees and says,

1935
00:58:03,100 --> 00:58:04,100
I can't keep up

1936
00:58:04,100 --> 00:58:05,100
with the overwhelming amount

1937
00:58:05,100 --> 00:58:07,100
of discarded cigarette butts,

1938
00:58:07,100 --> 00:58:08,100
especially near the walkovers

1939
00:58:08,100 --> 00:58:10,100
Magellan Sunrise and Shelf

1940
00:58:10,100 --> 00:58:12,401
Street. So, I resonate

1941
00:58:15,100 --> 00:58:17,100
with what said. You have

1942
00:58:17,100 --> 00:58:18,100
to understand the problem. If

1943
00:58:18,100 --> 00:58:20,100
there was no litter, then the

1944
00:58:20,100 --> 00:58:21,100
only resolving problem we have

1945
00:58:21,100 --> 00:58:22,100
is just smelling it. But we

1946
00:58:22,100 --> 00:58:24,100
have this litter problem too.

1947
00:58:24,100 --> 00:58:27,100
So that's really what we're

1948
00:58:27,100 --> 00:58:29,100
trying to address. And we're

1949
00:58:29,100 --> 00:58:30,100
trying to address it where it

1950
00:58:30,100 --> 00:58:32,100
doesn't put burden back

1951
00:58:32,100 --> 00:58:34,100
on our city staff having

1952
00:58:34,100 --> 00:58:35,100
to clean up ashtrays. And if we

1953
00:58:35,100 --> 00:58:37,100
have something in place and

1954
00:58:37,100 --> 00:58:38,100
there becomes a nuisance, then

1955
00:58:38,100 --> 00:58:40,100
that's when the police can step

1956
00:58:40,100 --> 00:58:42,100
in. And a lot of these places

1957
00:58:42,100 --> 00:58:43,100
are high visibility places.

1958
00:58:43,100 --> 00:58:45,100
Right. We do,

1959
00:58:46,100 --> 00:58:48,100
I believe we do run. The police

1960
00:58:48,100 --> 00:58:50,100
run by these approaches. They

1961
00:58:50,100 --> 00:58:51,100
run down Shell Street. If

1962
00:58:51,100 --> 00:58:53,100
individuals are sitting there

1963
00:58:53,100 --> 00:58:55,401
smoking and creating a

1964
00:58:56,100 --> 00:58:58,100
nuisance,

1965
00:58:58,100 --> 00:59:00,100
then now they can go up to them

1966
00:59:00,100 --> 00:59:01,100
and educate them and ask them

1967
00:59:01,100 --> 00:59:03,100
to move on.

1968
00:59:04,100 --> 00:59:05,100
>> That would just probably

1969
00:59:05,100 --> 00:59:07,100
address the. It's probably not.

1970
00:59:07,100 --> 00:59:09,100
Again, an assumption

1971
00:59:10,100 --> 00:59:11,100
on my part. There's probably

1972
00:59:11,100 --> 00:59:14,100
not been a lot of complaints

1973
00:59:14,100 --> 00:59:15,100
because there isn't really

1974
00:59:15,100 --> 00:59:17,100
anything you could do

1975
00:59:17,100 --> 00:59:18,100
about it. I mean, it's not,

1976
00:59:18,100 --> 00:59:20,100
it's not banned. It's not,

1977
00:59:20,100 --> 00:59:22,100
there's not an ordinance

1978
00:59:22,100 --> 00:59:24,100
against it. So, there's no rule

1979
00:59:24,100 --> 00:59:25,100
that says you can't do that

1980
00:59:25,100 --> 00:59:28,100
currently. So, if you were

1981
00:59:29,100 --> 00:59:30,100
doing it to complain, I don't

1982
00:59:30,100 --> 00:59:32,100
know what good that would do.

1983
00:59:32,100 --> 00:59:33,100
There is a law against it.

1984
00:59:33,100 --> 00:59:34,100
There's an anti-littering law

1985
00:59:34,100 --> 00:59:36,401
against $500. Right. But that's

1986
00:59:37,100 --> 00:59:38,100
the issue we're addressing is

1987
00:59:38,100 --> 00:59:40,100
littering. Not the health

1988
00:59:40,100 --> 00:59:41,100
issue, not the smell issue.

1989
00:59:41,100 --> 00:59:43,100
It's the littering according

1990
00:59:43,100 --> 00:59:45,100
to what councilman Chase just

1991
00:59:45,100 --> 00:59:47,100
said there's already a law that

1992
00:59:47,100 --> 00:59:49,100
exists. So therefore,

1993
00:59:49,100 --> 00:59:51,100
we would be repeating a law

1994
00:59:51,100 --> 00:59:53,100
on top of a law which is a

1995
00:59:53,100 --> 00:59:56,100
useless law that our police

1996
00:59:56,100 --> 00:59:57,100
have to enforce

1997
00:59:57,100 --> 00:59:59,401
for no good reason,

1998
01:00:03,100 --> 01:00:05,100
because there's already a law

1999
01:00:05,100 --> 01:00:06,100
in existence.

2000
01:00:06,100 --> 01:00:09,601
>> For me, it's not just the

2001
01:00:13,100 --> 01:00:15,100
littering. You know what I

2002
01:00:15,100 --> 01:00:16,100
mean? Like, and I do,

2003
01:00:16,100 --> 01:00:17,100
without getting

2004
01:00:17,100 --> 01:00:18,100
to the officers, have to

2005
01:00:18,100 --> 01:00:19,100
witness the person littering,

2006
01:00:19,100 --> 01:00:20,100
which they're probably not

2007
01:00:20,100 --> 01:00:21,100
going to do in front

2008
01:00:21,100 --> 01:00:22,100
of an officer.

2009
01:00:22,100 --> 01:00:23,100
But if they can't smoke

2010
01:00:23,100 --> 01:00:24,100
at all, then there, you know,

2011
01:00:24,100 --> 01:00:25,100
clearly people. We can all look

2012
01:00:25,100 --> 01:00:26,100
around and see the people who

2013
01:00:26,100 --> 01:00:27,100
are smoking in the community,

2014
01:00:27,100 --> 01:00:28,100
in the community are littering

2015
01:00:28,100 --> 01:00:29,100
a lot out. I think that we can

2016
01:00:29,100 --> 01:00:30,100
all agree to that. If you've

2017
01:00:30,100 --> 01:00:31,100
been

2018
01:00:31,100 --> 01:00:32,100
to the beach access and I

2019
01:00:32,100 --> 01:00:33,100
talked about

2020
01:00:33,100 --> 01:00:34,100
on the sidewalks, I knew

2021
01:00:34,100 --> 01:00:35,100
about it at the beach access

2022
01:00:35,100 --> 01:00:36,100
because I went out there and

2023
01:00:36,100 --> 01:00:37,100
done cleanups and everything

2024
01:00:37,100 --> 01:00:40,100
else. But I was kind of shocked

2025
01:00:40,100 --> 01:00:41,100
when I started paying attention

2026
01:00:41,100 --> 01:00:42,100
on the sidewalks and the public

2027
01:00:42,100 --> 01:00:43,100
buildings. But to me, look,

2028
01:00:43,100 --> 01:00:44,100
I feel strongly that the

2029
01:00:44,100 --> 01:00:45,100
government,

2030
01:00:45,100 --> 01:00:46,100
specifically the municipal

2031
01:00:46,100 --> 01:00:47,100
government, shouldn't be

2032
01:00:47,100 --> 01:00:49,100
in the nanny state business

2033
01:00:49,100 --> 01:00:51,100
of telling people not

2034
01:00:51,100 --> 01:00:53,100
to do things because of the.

2035
01:00:53,100 --> 01:00:54,100
Their own health. There is a

2036
01:00:54,100 --> 01:00:55,100
secondary issue where people,

2037
01:00:55,100 --> 01:00:56,100
and it's crazy, but they.

2038
01:00:56,100 --> 01:00:57,100
People do it. And

2039
01:00:57,100 --> 01:00:58,100
in my experience,

2040
01:00:58,100 --> 01:00:59,100
people can be kind of entitled

2041
01:00:59,100 --> 01:01:01,100
about it, especially people who

2042
01:01:01,100 --> 01:01:02,100
are still smoking cigarettes

2043
01:01:02,100 --> 01:01:03,100
in 2025 in public about, you

2044
01:01:03,100 --> 01:01:04,100
know, doing it at a park or,

2045
01:01:04,100 --> 01:01:06,100
you know, vaping it at a park

2046
01:01:06,100 --> 01:01:08,100
or sporting facility or stuff

2047
01:01:08,100 --> 01:01:09,100
like that. Like, people should

2048
01:01:09,100 --> 01:01:10,100
be able to feel comfortable to

2049
01:01:10,100 --> 01:01:12,100
take their kids or themselves,

2050
01:01:12,100 --> 01:01:14,401
but particularly young people,

2051
01:01:15,100 --> 01:01:17,100
to one of our public

2052
01:01:17,100 --> 01:01:18,100
recreational facilities

2053
01:01:18,100 --> 01:01:20,100
without being exposed

2054
01:01:20,100 --> 01:01:23,100
to secondhand smoke, be it vape

2055
01:01:23,100 --> 01:01:26,100
smoke or cigarette smoke. And

2056
01:01:26,100 --> 01:01:27,100
the other thing about having

2057
01:01:27,100 --> 01:01:29,100
the ordinance is that then you

2058
01:01:29,100 --> 01:01:31,100
can say, hey, you know, look

2059
01:01:31,100 --> 01:01:33,100
at the sign, or, you know,

2060
01:01:33,100 --> 01:01:34,100
it's not allowed

2061
01:01:34,100 --> 01:01:36,100
on city property. As opposed

2062
01:01:36,100 --> 01:01:37,100
to having to get into, as a

2063
01:01:37,100 --> 01:01:39,100
citizen, like a moral argument

2064
01:01:39,100 --> 01:01:40,100
with the person essentially

2065
01:01:40,100 --> 01:01:41,100
saying, like, hey, I think

2066
01:01:41,100 --> 01:01:43,100
you're being irresponsible

2067
01:01:43,100 --> 01:01:45,100
by smoking at this public place

2068
01:01:45,100 --> 01:01:47,100
where other people are. It

2069
01:01:47,100 --> 01:01:50,100
gives cover. I feel like

2070
01:01:51,100 --> 01:01:53,100
for citizens to point

2071
01:01:53,100 --> 01:01:55,100
to that, hopefully law

2072
01:01:55,100 --> 01:01:56,100
enforcement doesn't have

2073
01:01:56,100 --> 01:01:58,100
to get involved,

2074
01:01:58,100 --> 01:01:59,100
but if they needed to,

2075
01:01:59,100 --> 01:02:01,100
if someone was being unruly,

2076
01:02:01,100 --> 01:02:02,100
it gives them cover to do it.

2077
01:02:02,100 --> 01:02:03,100
That's kind of how I, and I do

2078
01:02:03,100 --> 01:02:04,100
think that if you have a

2079
01:02:04,100 --> 01:02:06,100
designated area,

2080
01:02:06,100 --> 01:02:07,100
then it's going

2081
01:02:07,100 --> 01:02:08,100
to be a dispute

2082
01:02:08,100 --> 01:02:10,100
about whether or not you're in

2083
01:02:10,100 --> 01:02:12,100
the designated area or not or

2084
01:02:12,100 --> 01:02:14,100
not. But, you know,

2085
01:02:14,100 --> 01:02:15,100
I hear the thing about, I don't

2086
01:02:15,100 --> 01:02:16,100
think that we should be doing

2087
01:02:16,100 --> 01:02:19,100
it to protect the smokers.

2088
01:02:19,100 --> 01:02:20,100
Because people can make

2089
01:02:20,100 --> 01:02:21,100
whatever, you know,

2090
01:02:21,100 --> 01:02:22,100
in my mind,

2091
01:02:22,100 --> 01:02:24,100
they can make whatever

2092
01:02:24,100 --> 01:02:25,100
informed, hopefully,

2093
01:02:25,100 --> 01:02:26,100
decisions they want

2094
01:02:26,100 --> 01:02:28,100
to make or not make about their

2095
01:02:28,100 --> 01:02:29,100
own physical autonomy,

2096
01:02:29,100 --> 01:02:30,100
but not other people

2097
01:02:30,100 --> 01:02:32,100
on public property.

2098
01:02:38,100 --> 01:02:40,401
>> What did you say?

2099
01:02:41,100 --> 01:02:43,100
>> If we remove the cause

2100
01:02:43,100 --> 01:02:44,100
of the litter and that's going

2101
01:02:44,100 --> 01:02:46,100
to help.

2102
01:02:46,100 --> 01:02:48,100
us with the litter,

2103
01:02:48,100 --> 01:02:49,100
but that goes

2104
01:02:49,100 --> 01:02:51,100
on personal recognizance.

2105
01:02:51,100 --> 01:02:53,401
Yeah. Which obviously they're

2106
01:02:54,100 --> 01:02:55,100
not paying attention

2107
01:02:55,100 --> 01:02:56,100
to anyway.

2108
01:02:56,100 --> 01:02:57,100
>> Yeah.

2109
01:02:57,100 --> 01:02:58,100
>> So, what's the point? I

2110
01:02:58,100 --> 01:02:59,100
fully support smoking pits or

2111
01:02:59,100 --> 01:03:01,100
restricted areas,

2112
01:03:01,100 --> 01:03:04,100
whatever we want to call it,

2113
01:03:04,100 --> 01:03:06,100
but I'm fully on board

2114
01:03:06,100 --> 01:03:08,100
with parks and youth events.

2115
01:03:08,100 --> 01:03:09,100
And so that's why Brevard

2116
01:03:09,100 --> 01:03:11,100
County's example

2117
01:03:11,100 --> 01:03:14,601
to me is the best example.

2118
01:03:15,100 --> 01:03:16,100
Just it's not allowed in youth

2119
01:03:16,100 --> 01:03:18,100
areas and playgrounds.

2120
01:03:22,100 --> 01:03:23,100
>> I kind of consider the beach

2121
01:03:23,100 --> 01:03:24,100
a big youth area and

2122
01:03:24,100 --> 01:03:25,100
playground, though,

2123
01:03:25,100 --> 01:03:26,100
I guess.

2124
01:03:26,100 --> 01:03:28,100
>> Yeah. But the beach is also

2125
01:03:28,100 --> 01:03:29,100
where people go. And we've

2126
01:03:29,100 --> 01:03:31,100
already brought up the issue

2127
01:03:31,100 --> 01:03:34,100
with Pelican park and the

2128
01:03:34,100 --> 01:03:36,100
pavilions. People go there,

2129
01:03:36,100 --> 01:03:38,100
they have parties. What happens

2130
01:03:38,100 --> 01:03:40,100
at parties? The people drink.

2131
01:03:40,100 --> 01:03:41,100
Some drinkers tend

2132
01:03:41,100 --> 01:03:44,100
to smoke when they drink, and

2133
01:03:44,100 --> 01:03:45,100
now you're limiting that

2134
01:03:45,100 --> 01:03:47,100
effect. And so,

2135
01:03:48,100 --> 01:03:50,100
you're interfering

2136
01:03:51,100 --> 01:03:52,100
with personal rights. And we

2137
01:03:52,100 --> 01:03:54,100
have. I think that we have

2138
01:03:54,100 --> 01:03:56,100
to give them an opportunity to

2139
01:03:56,100 --> 01:03:57,100
exercise their personal rights

2140
01:03:57,100 --> 01:03:59,100
to kill themselves willingly

2141
01:03:59,100 --> 01:04:02,100
and knowingly by smoking. It's

2142
01:04:02,100 --> 01:04:04,100
not my problem that they want

2143
01:04:04,100 --> 01:04:06,100
to smoke,

2144
01:04:06,100 --> 01:04:07,100
but that's their choice. And

2145
01:04:07,100 --> 01:04:09,100
they can decide

2146
01:04:10,100 --> 01:04:12,100
to go do it away

2147
01:04:12,100 --> 01:04:13,100
from us downwind.

2148
01:04:13,100 --> 01:04:15,100
>> Without jumping to the next

2149
01:04:15,100 --> 01:04:18,100
topic. I think it's different,

2150
01:04:18,100 --> 01:04:20,100
though, because, yes,

2151
01:04:20,100 --> 01:04:21,100
you can extrapolate

2152
01:04:21,100 --> 01:04:22,100
from bad decisions made

2153
01:04:22,100 --> 01:04:23,100
after drinking and so forth,

2154
01:04:23,100 --> 01:04:24,100
but the actual act of drinking

2155
01:04:24,100 --> 01:04:25,100
has no externalities. No,

2156
01:04:25,100 --> 01:04:26,100
smoking does have externalities

2157
01:04:26,100 --> 01:04:28,100
like it does. I mean,

2158
01:04:28,100 --> 01:04:29,100
if you have people smoking

2159
01:04:29,100 --> 01:04:30,100
at one of those pavilions and

2160
01:04:30,100 --> 01:04:32,100
you have a bunch

2161
01:04:32,100 --> 01:04:33,100
of kids playing

2162
01:04:33,100 --> 01:04:34,100
at the playground, Granted,

2163
01:04:34,100 --> 01:04:36,100
prevailing winds are usually

2164
01:04:36,100 --> 01:04:37,100
out of the east, but

2165
01:04:37,100 --> 01:04:38,100
at the next pavilion over, you

2166
01:04:38,100 --> 01:04:40,401
got multiple pavilions there.

2167
01:04:41,100 --> 01:04:42,100
So, you've got a big group

2168
01:04:42,100 --> 01:04:44,401
of people, a bunch

2169
01:04:45,100 --> 01:04:46,100
of people who are smoking.

2170
01:04:46,100 --> 01:04:47,100
There is a health effect,

2171
01:04:47,100 --> 01:04:48,100
certainly an enjoyment

2172
01:04:48,100 --> 01:04:49,100
of the public facilities effect

2173
01:04:49,100 --> 01:04:50,100
on these people based upon the

2174
01:04:50,100 --> 01:04:51,100
choices here.

2175
01:04:51,100 --> 01:04:52,100
>> Okay, But a smoking pit,

2176
01:04:52,100 --> 01:04:53,100
seriously, it's away

2177
01:04:53,100 --> 01:04:55,401
from most facilities. Right.

2178
01:04:56,100 --> 01:04:57,100
So, it's a designated area.

2179
01:04:57,100 --> 01:04:59,100
They can walk

2180
01:04:59,100 --> 01:05:00,100
from their pavilion 100 yards

2181
01:05:00,100 --> 01:05:02,100
down the way. It's blocked off.

2182
01:05:02,100 --> 01:05:04,401
It's another little gazebo,

2183
01:05:05,100 --> 01:05:06,100
say, and they can smoke there

2184
01:05:06,100 --> 01:05:07,100
and then come back and do

2185
01:05:07,100 --> 01:05:09,100
whatever.

2186
01:05:09,100 --> 01:05:10,100
>> That's what I would envision

2187
01:05:10,100 --> 01:05:12,100
as a restricted area,

2188
01:05:12,100 --> 01:05:13,100
is a smaller area away from

2189
01:05:13,100 --> 01:05:15,100
other people that they would

2190
01:05:15,100 --> 01:05:17,100
walk to smoke.

2191
01:05:17,100 --> 01:05:18,100
>> Come back as a carve

2192
01:05:18,100 --> 01:05:19,100
out specifically at Pelican,

2193
01:05:19,100 --> 01:05:20,100
because we have the rented

2194
01:05:20,100 --> 01:05:22,401
pavilions and stuff there.

2195
01:05:23,100 --> 01:05:24,100
>> Personally, it works

2196
01:05:24,100 --> 01:05:26,100
anywhere and.

2197
01:05:26,100 --> 01:05:28,100
But I would not want it to be

2198
01:05:28,100 --> 01:05:30,100
at like Cinnamon Park. A little

2199
01:05:30,100 --> 01:05:32,100
too small for that, but

2200
01:05:32,100 --> 01:05:33,100
Hightower park,

2201
01:05:33,100 --> 01:05:36,100
maybe you could fit it

2202
01:05:36,100 --> 01:05:37,100
in because again, that would

2203
01:05:37,100 --> 01:05:38,100
address the crossover issue

2204
01:05:38,100 --> 01:05:40,100
that has been brought up and

2205
01:05:40,100 --> 01:05:42,100
maybe the parking lot issue,

2206
01:05:42,100 --> 01:05:45,601
even. I don't know where you

2207
01:05:49,100 --> 01:05:51,100
put it.

2208
01:05:52,100 --> 01:05:53,100
>> Yeah. And I mean,

2209
01:05:53,100 --> 01:05:54,100
you've got the sports field,

2210
01:05:54,100 --> 01:05:55,100
the other large facility, you

2211
01:05:55,100 --> 01:05:56,100
know, of children designed for.

2212
01:05:56,100 --> 01:05:57,100
I mean, adults play sport there

2213
01:05:57,100 --> 01:05:59,100
too.

2214
01:06:06,100 --> 01:06:08,100
>> Let's just say we outlawed

2215
01:06:08,100 --> 01:06:10,100
it. We just said no. No city

2216
01:06:10,100 --> 01:06:11,100
property, no beaches. Just a

2217
01:06:11,100 --> 01:06:13,100
what if. How much of the beach

2218
01:06:13,100 --> 01:06:16,100
do we actually can enforce?

2219
01:06:19,100 --> 01:06:20,100
High water mark, low water. I

2220
01:06:20,100 --> 01:06:21,100
mean, there's. Is there some

2221
01:06:21,100 --> 01:06:22,100
weirdness on the beach? It's

2222
01:06:22,100 --> 01:06:23,100
that says you really can't

2223
01:06:23,100 --> 01:06:25,100
enforce our rules,

2224
01:06:25,100 --> 01:06:27,100
our municipality rules

2225
01:06:29,100 --> 01:06:30,100
on the beach. I'm kind

2226
01:06:30,100 --> 01:06:31,100
of looking at Brittany,

2227
01:06:31,100 --> 01:06:32,100
but I'm kind of staring back

2228
01:06:32,100 --> 01:06:33,100
over to the chief

2229
01:06:33,100 --> 01:06:34,100
over there. I mean,

2230
01:06:34,100 --> 01:06:35,100
are we just talking

2231
01:06:35,100 --> 01:06:36,100
in circles here? Because

2232
01:06:36,100 --> 01:06:37,100
there's nothing we can do

2233
01:06:37,100 --> 01:06:39,100
about it anyway? Or as the

2234
01:06:39,100 --> 01:06:41,100
beach goes, okay, standing

2235
01:06:41,100 --> 01:06:42,100
with the dogs. I mean, you

2236
01:06:42,100 --> 01:06:44,100
know, like not to bring up an

2237
01:06:44,100 --> 01:06:46,100
old favorite.

2238
01:06:53,100 --> 01:06:55,401
>> True. Any other thoughts?

2239
01:06:56,100 --> 01:06:58,100
Concerns?

2240
01:06:58,100 --> 01:06:59,100
>> Are we trying to craft an

2241
01:06:59,100 --> 01:07:00,100
ordinance? Is that what you're

2242
01:07:00,100 --> 01:07:01,100
trying to.

2243
01:07:01,100 --> 01:07:02,100
>> It's obviously completely up

2244
01:07:02,100 --> 01:07:04,100
to all of you if you. I mean,

2245
01:07:04,100 --> 01:07:05,100
we brought the ordinance. We

2246
01:07:05,100 --> 01:07:07,100
needed

2247
01:07:07,100 --> 01:07:09,100
to do some additional research.

2248
01:07:09,100 --> 01:07:10,100
That's what this is. So, I just

2249
01:07:10,100 --> 01:07:11,100
need either some direction

2250
01:07:11,100 --> 01:07:12,100
either to bring you back what

2251
01:07:12,100 --> 01:07:14,100
we provided the last meeting

2252
01:07:14,100 --> 01:07:15,100
with some possible edits

2253
01:07:15,100 --> 01:07:17,100
to it and. Or nothing at all.

2254
01:07:17,100 --> 01:07:18,100
Like, that's completely up to

2255
01:07:18,100 --> 01:07:20,100
you.

2256
01:07:21,100 --> 01:07:23,100
>> I personally think we have a

2257
01:07:23,100 --> 01:07:25,100
problem, and we have a problem,

2258
01:07:25,100 --> 01:07:27,401
particularly on access points

2259
01:07:28,100 --> 01:07:30,100
on the beach. We have that

2260
01:07:30,100 --> 01:07:33,100
problem today. So, we need

2261
01:07:33,100 --> 01:07:35,100
to craft something

2262
01:07:35,100 --> 01:07:37,100
to remedy that,

2263
01:07:37,100 --> 01:07:39,100
to mitigate that problem,

2264
01:07:39,100 --> 01:07:42,100
at least in that area. Now,

2265
01:07:42,100 --> 01:07:44,100
good judgment says we're not

2266
01:07:44,100 --> 01:07:46,100
going to be smoking on

2267
01:07:46,100 --> 01:07:47,100
bleachers when I'm watching a

2268
01:07:47,100 --> 01:07:49,100
game. That's good judgment. But

2269
01:07:49,100 --> 01:07:50,100
not everybody practices the

2270
01:07:50,100 --> 01:07:51,100
good judgment. So, do we extend

2271
01:07:51,100 --> 01:07:53,100
our concern

2272
01:07:55,100 --> 01:07:56,100
to athletic fields? Well, it

2273
01:07:56,100 --> 01:07:58,100
seems like we should. So, do we

2274
01:07:58,100 --> 01:07:59,100
increase that area? And then

2275
01:07:59,100 --> 01:08:01,100
how much do we keep increasing?

2276
01:08:01,100 --> 01:08:04,100
I'm not personally for smoke

2277
01:08:05,100 --> 01:08:06,100
pits because I don't want the

2278
01:08:06,100 --> 01:08:09,100
city to have the burden

2279
01:08:09,100 --> 01:08:10,100
to create a smoke pit and

2280
01:08:10,100 --> 01:08:12,100
to clean a smoke pit. Just

2281
01:08:12,100 --> 01:08:13,100
words.

2282
01:08:13,100 --> 01:08:14,100
>> We already clean it anyway.

2283
01:08:14,100 --> 01:08:15,100
>> Well, we're cleaning

2284
01:08:15,100 --> 01:08:17,401
everything right now anyway,

2285
01:08:18,100 --> 01:08:20,100
but I'm just trying to relieve

2286
01:08:20,100 --> 01:08:21,100
the burden and put the

2287
01:08:21,100 --> 01:08:23,100
responsibility back where it

2288
01:08:23,100 --> 01:08:25,100
belongs. If you Want to come

2289
01:08:25,100 --> 01:08:27,100
to the beach in Satellite

2290
01:08:27,100 --> 01:08:30,601
beach, you can't smoke. That is

2291
01:08:31,100 --> 01:08:32,100
one way to look at it.

2292
01:08:32,100 --> 01:08:34,100
>> Or the ball fields. I mean

2293
01:08:34,100 --> 01:08:35,100
that's.

2294
01:08:35,100 --> 01:08:36,100
>> I think it needs to be the.

2295
01:08:36,100 --> 01:08:37,100
>> Parks that might be. It's

2296
01:08:37,100 --> 01:08:38,100
got the parks and the ball

2297
01:08:38,100 --> 01:08:39,100
fields need

2298
01:08:39,100 --> 01:08:40,100
to be included as well.

2299
01:08:40,100 --> 01:08:41,100
>> So, should we carve

2300
01:08:41,100 --> 01:08:44,100
out where exceptions are? And

2301
01:08:45,100 --> 01:08:46,100
then even parking lots to me is

2302
01:08:46,100 --> 01:08:48,100
not a good exception because

2303
01:08:48,100 --> 01:08:49,100
we're going

2304
01:08:49,100 --> 01:08:50,100
to have cigarette butts

2305
01:08:50,100 --> 01:08:51,100
in parking lots now. So, I

2306
01:08:51,100 --> 01:08:52,100
don't know if there's any real

2307
01:08:52,100 --> 01:08:55,100
exception that we can have.

2308
01:08:56,100 --> 01:08:58,100
>> After all this and after

2309
01:08:58,100 --> 01:09:00,401
reading the initial ordinance

2310
01:09:02,100 --> 01:09:05,100
that we brought, I don't know

2311
01:09:05,100 --> 01:09:08,100
that anything we've stuck here

2312
01:09:08,100 --> 01:09:10,100
changes my mind on what we

2313
01:09:10,100 --> 01:09:13,601
already had the first time. I

2314
01:09:14,100 --> 01:09:15,100
mean, I think going as you said

2315
01:09:15,100 --> 01:09:18,100
and as some of the citizens

2316
01:09:18,100 --> 01:09:20,100
have sent us their thoughts,

2317
01:09:20,100 --> 01:09:22,401
their comments, their pictures,

2318
01:09:23,100 --> 01:09:26,100
their experiences on there. I

2319
01:09:27,100 --> 01:09:28,100
think I've personally. It's

2320
01:09:28,100 --> 01:09:29,100
given me more enforcement on. I

2321
01:09:29,100 --> 01:09:31,100
agree with what we had the

2322
01:09:31,100 --> 01:09:34,100
first time around. Now that

2323
01:09:36,100 --> 01:09:37,100
we've had more data brought

2324
01:09:37,100 --> 01:09:40,601
to us, so to speak. Right.

2325
01:09:45,100 --> 01:09:46,100
More information is brought

2326
01:09:46,100 --> 01:09:47,100
more what other cities are

2327
01:09:47,100 --> 01:09:48,100
doing,

2328
01:09:48,100 --> 01:09:49,100
what the rule is. I just again,

2329
01:09:49,100 --> 01:09:50,100
personally I don't. I don't

2330
01:09:50,100 --> 01:09:51,100
think I've uncovered anything

2331
01:09:51,100 --> 01:09:52,100
that swaying my decision

2332
01:09:52,100 --> 01:09:53,100
from what was brought

2333
01:09:53,100 --> 01:09:55,100
to us the first time. That's

2334
01:09:55,100 --> 01:09:57,100
just my thoughts personally

2335
01:09:57,100 --> 01:09:59,100
on it.

2336
01:10:00,100 --> 01:10:01,100
>> The same like I said. And I

2337
01:10:01,100 --> 01:10:03,401
can intellectually, I do

2338
01:10:04,100 --> 01:10:06,100
intellectually appreciate

2339
01:10:06,100 --> 01:10:07,100
council member Sams point,

2340
01:10:07,100 --> 01:10:09,100
but I just. Like I said,

2341
01:10:09,100 --> 01:10:11,100
I'm worried about the. As a

2342
01:10:11,100 --> 01:10:12,100
practical matter, the exception

2343
01:10:12,100 --> 01:10:14,100
swallowing the rule and it

2344
01:10:14,100 --> 01:10:17,100
creating more of an enforcement

2345
01:10:17,100 --> 01:10:19,100
headache if we try

2346
01:10:19,100 --> 01:10:22,100
to do carve outs. So, while

2347
01:10:22,100 --> 01:10:23,100
appreciating that

2348
01:10:23,100 --> 01:10:24,100
intellectually,

2349
01:10:24,100 --> 01:10:25,100
I'm practically at the same

2350
01:10:25,100 --> 01:10:27,401
place as the mayor.

2351
01:10:30,100 --> 01:10:31,100
>> Which is the same place I

2352
01:10:31,100 --> 01:10:32,100
was before Mike. Do you happen

2353
01:10:32,100 --> 01:10:33,100
to have a copy

2354
01:10:33,100 --> 01:10:34,100
of the ordinance from last

2355
01:10:34,100 --> 01:10:35,100
time?

2356
01:10:35,100 --> 01:10:36,100
>> I don't. I didn't know.

2357
01:10:36,100 --> 01:10:37,100
Those extra papers you were

2358
01:10:37,100 --> 01:10:38,100
holding.

2359
01:10:38,100 --> 01:10:39,100
>> Yeah, no, those are all

2360
01:10:39,100 --> 01:10:40,100
emails.

2361
01:10:40,100 --> 01:10:42,100
>> Okay. Did it just say parks

2362
01:10:42,100 --> 01:10:44,100
and beaches?

2363
01:10:44,100 --> 01:10:45,100
>> No, I think it said all city

2364
01:10:45,100 --> 01:10:47,100
property.

2365
01:10:49,100 --> 01:10:51,100
>> All city property.

2366
01:10:52,100 --> 01:10:53,100
>> I have it up. I can read it

2367
01:10:53,100 --> 01:10:54,100
to you.

2368
01:10:54,100 --> 01:10:55,100
>> It said smoking and vaping

2369
01:10:55,100 --> 01:10:56,100
at city.

2370
01:10:56,100 --> 01:10:57,100
>> Parks and on public beaches

2371
01:10:57,100 --> 01:10:58,100
prohibited.

2372
01:10:58,100 --> 01:10:59,100
>> That was the title.

2373
01:10:59,100 --> 01:11:00,100
>> And it just said it shall

2374
01:11:00,100 --> 01:11:01,100
be.

2375
01:11:01,100 --> 01:11:02,100
>> Unlawful for any person

2376
01:11:02,100 --> 01:11:03,100
to smoke within.

2377
01:11:03,100 --> 01:11:04,100
>> The boundaries

2378
01:11:04,100 --> 01:11:05,100
of any public park or.

2379
01:11:05,100 --> 01:11:06,100
>> At any public beach located

2380
01:11:06,100 --> 01:11:07,100
within the city.

2381
01:11:07,100 --> 01:11:08,100
>> This prohibition includes

2382
01:11:08,100 --> 01:11:09,100
use of any vapor generating

2383
01:11:09,100 --> 01:11:10,100
devices as that term is defined

2384
01:11:10,100 --> 01:11:12,100
by Florida law.

2385
01:11:12,100 --> 01:11:13,100
>> Then it said the city

2386
01:11:13,100 --> 01:11:14,100
manager or.

2387
01:11:14,100 --> 01:11:15,100
>> Designee shall conspicuously

2388
01:11:15,100 --> 01:11:17,100
post or cause to.

2389
01:11:17,100 --> 01:11:19,100
>> Be posted signs setting

2390
01:11:19,100 --> 01:11:21,100
forth the

2391
01:11:21,100 --> 01:11:22,100
above prohibitions and the

2392
01:11:22,100 --> 01:11:23,100
Final section,

2393
01:11:23,100 --> 01:11:24,100
with the only exception to the

2394
01:11:24,100 --> 01:11:26,100
above prohibition is.

2395
01:11:27,100 --> 01:11:29,100
>> Unfiltered cigars whose

2396
01:11:31,100 --> 01:11:32,100
regulation remains preempted

2397
01:11:32,100 --> 01:11:33,100
as.

2398
01:11:33,100 --> 01:11:34,100
>> Set forth in Florida

2399
01:11:34,100 --> 01:11:35,100
statutes with my Editor's Eye

2400
01:11:35,100 --> 01:11:36,100
today. You're missing an L on,

2401
01:11:36,100 --> 01:11:37,100
on the, on the initial

2402
01:11:37,100 --> 01:11:39,100
introduction there.

2403
01:11:39,100 --> 01:11:42,100
>> If we bring it back.

2404
01:11:42,100 --> 01:11:43,100
>> See what I'm talking about?

2405
01:11:43,100 --> 01:11:45,401
>> So, parks would include

2406
01:11:46,100 --> 01:11:47,100
sports fields.

2407
01:11:47,100 --> 01:11:49,100
>> Yes.

2408
01:11:49,100 --> 01:11:50,100
>> And the area out here.

2409
01:11:50,100 --> 01:11:52,100
Right. I mean

2410
01:11:52,100 --> 01:11:53,100
like the garden would be, you

2411
01:11:53,100 --> 01:11:54,100
know, like this,

2412
01:11:54,100 --> 01:11:56,100
like the.

2413
01:11:58,100 --> 01:12:00,100
>> I mean, I think that if, if

2414
01:12:00,100 --> 01:12:02,100
we, if we're going

2415
01:12:02,100 --> 01:12:04,100
to say city parks and beaches,

2416
01:12:04,100 --> 01:12:05,100
if you were to decide this

2417
01:12:05,100 --> 01:12:07,100
truly is a city park, then

2418
01:12:07,100 --> 01:12:09,100
those signs would just go

2419
01:12:09,100 --> 01:12:10,100
there. So, I think that's

2420
01:12:10,100 --> 01:12:12,100
something that you guys could

2421
01:12:12,100 --> 01:12:13,100
help determine.

2422
01:12:13,100 --> 01:12:14,100
which

2423
01:12:14,100 --> 01:12:15,100
where would you

2424
01:12:15,100 --> 01:12:16,100
like all those signs to go?

2425
01:12:16,100 --> 01:12:18,100
And what we would consider

2426
01:12:18,100 --> 01:12:20,401
parks in the community.

2427
01:12:23,100 --> 01:12:24,100
>> But the intent is parks,

2428
01:12:24,100 --> 01:12:25,100
ball fields, beaches.

2429
01:12:25,100 --> 01:12:26,100
>> Correct.

2430
01:12:26,100 --> 01:12:28,100
>> I'm good with it.

2431
01:12:28,100 --> 01:12:30,401
>> I'm okay with that.

2432
01:12:33,100 --> 01:12:34,100
>> What we can do is when we

2433
01:12:34,100 --> 01:12:35,100
bring it back, we can go. We

2434
01:12:35,100 --> 01:12:37,100
can provide a list of where we

2435
01:12:37,100 --> 01:12:38,100
think would be the best places

2436
01:12:38,100 --> 01:12:39,100
and then if we need

2437
01:12:39,100 --> 01:12:40,100
to add or subtract

2438
01:12:40,100 --> 01:12:41,100
from that list,

2439
01:12:41,100 --> 01:12:43,100
we can do so.

2440
01:12:43,100 --> 01:12:44,100
>> And I would just say

2441
01:12:44,100 --> 01:12:46,100
in terms of enforcement,

2442
01:12:46,100 --> 01:12:47,100
we kind

2443
01:12:47,100 --> 01:12:48,100
of are a city that always

2444
01:12:48,100 --> 01:12:51,100
begins with educating, which I

2445
01:12:51,100 --> 01:12:53,100
think just getting the word out

2446
01:12:53,100 --> 01:12:55,100
would be most important. I do

2447
01:12:55,100 --> 01:12:58,100
think that I kind of like

2448
01:12:58,100 --> 01:13:00,100
Indian harbor beaches. If we're

2449
01:13:00,100 --> 01:13:02,100
going, if we're going

2450
01:13:02,100 --> 01:13:05,100
to go a citation route,

2451
01:13:05,100 --> 01:13:07,100
I prefer their citations to the

2452
01:13:07,100 --> 01:13:09,100
others.

2453
01:13:11,100 --> 01:13:13,100
>> I mean a policy of a warning

2454
01:13:13,100 --> 01:13:14,100
as an initial map.

2455
01:13:14,100 --> 01:13:15,100
>> I mean, just

2456
01:13:15,100 --> 01:13:17,401
to answer one issue

2457
01:13:19,100 --> 01:13:22,100
about the enforcement, the way

2458
01:13:22,100 --> 01:13:26,801
that our code is set up is that

2459
01:13:27,100 --> 01:13:28,100
a person can be cited

2460
01:13:28,100 --> 01:13:29,100
for a violation

2461
01:13:29,100 --> 01:13:33,100
of the code just by the general

2462
01:13:33,100 --> 01:13:34,100
penalty provisions that are

2463
01:13:34,100 --> 01:13:36,100
in the code, which provides

2464
01:13:36,100 --> 01:13:38,100
for up to $500 fine or six

2465
01:13:38,100 --> 01:13:41,100
months in county jail, which

2466
01:13:41,100 --> 01:13:42,100
obviously that's not what you

2467
01:13:42,100 --> 01:13:43,100
want to do, so.

2468
01:13:43,100 --> 01:13:45,100
But you also have the ability

2469
01:13:45,100 --> 01:13:47,100
to say that it would be a

2470
01:13:47,100 --> 01:13:48,100
non-criminal offense and say

2471
01:13:48,100 --> 01:13:49,100
that this is what the charge is

2472
01:13:49,100 --> 01:13:50,100
going to be. Similar to. I

2473
01:13:50,100 --> 01:13:52,100
guess it was harbor that had

2474
01:13:52,100 --> 01:13:54,401
the right three levels

2475
01:13:56,100 --> 01:13:58,100
of fines. So that would. I'm

2476
01:13:58,100 --> 01:13:59,100
guessing that Brittany would

2477
01:13:59,100 --> 01:14:01,100
like some direction

2478
01:14:01,100 --> 01:14:03,100
on that too.

2479
01:14:03,100 --> 01:14:05,100
>> I'd like to see us when we

2480
01:14:05,100 --> 01:14:07,100
figure out where it's going

2481
01:14:07,100 --> 01:14:08,100
to go is not overburden us

2482
01:14:08,100 --> 01:14:11,100
with signs, you know, and if we

2483
01:14:11,100 --> 01:14:13,100
have a problem distinguishing

2484
01:14:13,100 --> 01:14:16,100
between a park and a playground

2485
01:14:16,100 --> 01:14:17,100
or anything like that,

2486
01:14:17,100 --> 01:14:19,100
then we need to simplify. City

2487
01:14:19,100 --> 01:14:20,100
property, I mean, even

2488
01:14:20,100 --> 01:14:23,100
out here in the breezeway,

2489
01:14:24,100 --> 01:14:26,100
discourage that takes somebody

2490
01:14:26,100 --> 01:14:27,100
that would be irresponsible,

2491
01:14:27,100 --> 01:14:28,100
real irresponsible

2492
01:14:28,100 --> 01:14:29,100
to do it right in front

2493
01:14:29,100 --> 01:14:31,100
of the doorway.

2494
01:14:31,100 --> 01:14:33,100
But it could happen.

2495
01:14:33,100 --> 01:14:35,100
>> And does it happen?

2496
01:14:35,100 --> 01:14:37,100
>> Not really. I mean it's a

2497
01:14:37,100 --> 01:14:39,100
professional environment.

2498
01:14:40,100 --> 01:14:41,100
>> Is that when we plan this

2499
01:14:41,100 --> 01:14:42,100
thing out, let's try

2500
01:14:42,100 --> 01:14:43,100
to plan it with.

2501
01:14:43,100 --> 01:14:44,100
>> Much simplicity as we can

2502
01:14:44,100 --> 01:14:46,100
and reduce.

2503
01:14:47,100 --> 01:14:50,100
>> Any burden that we have.

2504
01:14:50,100 --> 01:14:51,100
>> Putting signs out. I think I

2505
01:14:51,100 --> 01:14:52,100
agree with you, Mark. I think

2506
01:14:52,100 --> 01:14:53,100
isn't it. And Chief M. I'm sure

2507
01:14:53,100 --> 01:14:55,100
tell you is just as a matter

2508
01:14:55,100 --> 01:14:56,100
of community policing. You

2509
01:14:56,100 --> 01:14:58,100
usually leave that up

2510
01:14:58,100 --> 01:15:00,100
to an officer's dis discretion,

2511
01:15:00,100 --> 01:15:02,100
whether he's going to give a

2512
01:15:02,100 --> 01:15:05,100
warning the first time or a

2513
01:15:05,100 --> 01:15:07,100
second time or he doesn't. I

2514
01:15:07,100 --> 01:15:09,100
mean, I certainly understand if

2515
01:15:09,100 --> 01:15:12,100
someone is smoking and he's

2516
01:15:12,100 --> 01:15:14,100
sitting on the boardwalk and

2517
01:15:14,100 --> 01:15:17,100
then he flicks the cigarette at

2518
01:15:17,100 --> 01:15:18,100
the officer. I don't think

2519
01:15:18,100 --> 01:15:20,100
that's a time for a warning

2520
01:15:20,100 --> 01:15:21,100
at that point. I think that's.

2521
01:15:21,100 --> 01:15:23,100
We've got way past that.

2522
01:15:23,100 --> 01:15:24,100
However, on the other side,

2523
01:15:24,100 --> 01:15:26,100
if you just have some out there

2524
01:15:26,100 --> 01:15:27,100
who's just doing it who may not

2525
01:15:27,100 --> 01:15:29,100
know that that's the rule, I

2526
01:15:29,100 --> 01:15:31,401
would believe the discretion

2527
01:15:33,100 --> 01:15:35,100
would be education first.

2528
01:15:35,100 --> 01:15:37,100
Hey, you can't do that. Hey,

2529
01:15:37,100 --> 01:15:39,100
there's a sign over there. It

2530
01:15:39,100 --> 01:15:42,100
says you, you can't do that.

2531
01:15:42,100 --> 01:15:43,100
Please put that out. And that's

2532
01:15:43,100 --> 01:15:44,000
that. Similar

2533
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:45,100
to the way they would do a lot

2534
01:15:45,100 --> 01:15:46,100
of other things. I mean,

2535
01:15:46,100 --> 01:15:48,100
I think you, you used your

2536
01:15:48,100 --> 01:15:49,100
discretion whether it's really,

2537
01:15:49,100 --> 01:15:51,100
really warranted or not,

2538
01:15:51,100 --> 01:15:53,401
depending on the situation.

2539
01:15:54,100 --> 01:15:55,100
That's why I just say. I don't

2540
01:15:55,100 --> 01:15:57,100
think you want to say that the

2541
01:15:57,100 --> 01:15:58,100
first time will always be a

2542
01:15:58,100 --> 01:16:00,100
warning. However, we want

2543
01:16:00,100 --> 01:16:01,100
to go with what we currently

2544
01:16:01,100 --> 01:16:03,100
do. I think with our current

2545
01:16:03,100 --> 01:16:04,100
community policing is we try

2546
01:16:04,100 --> 01:16:07,100
to educate first if we can. If

2547
01:16:07,100 --> 01:16:09,100
it warrants something more than

2548
01:16:09,100 --> 01:16:10,100
that, then we take the

2549
01:16:10,100 --> 01:16:11,100
appropriate action as we do

2550
01:16:11,100 --> 01:16:13,100
anything else. And let's not

2551
01:16:13,100 --> 01:16:15,100
change what we do. Just stick

2552
01:16:15,100 --> 01:16:17,100
as we do and let them, let them

2553
01:16:17,100 --> 01:16:18,100
do their job the way they do

2554
01:16:18,100 --> 01:16:20,100
their job.

2555
01:16:21,100 --> 01:16:22,100
>> Trust the sound discretion

2556
01:16:22,100 --> 01:16:23,100
of the officers.

2557
01:16:23,100 --> 01:16:24,100
>> Yes, I agree. And then again

2558
01:16:24,100 --> 01:16:27,601
then you could have the tiered

2559
01:16:28,100 --> 01:16:31,100
approach to that. You know,

2560
01:16:31,100 --> 01:16:33,100
if you're actually going

2561
01:16:33,100 --> 01:16:34,100
to cite somebody, the first

2562
01:16:34,100 --> 01:16:37,100
citation would be or do like

2563
01:16:37,100 --> 01:16:38,100
Harbor. You know,

2564
01:16:38,100 --> 01:16:39,100
the first citation is $50.

2565
01:16:39,100 --> 01:16:41,100
Second time could be $100. If a

2566
01:16:41,100 --> 01:16:43,100
third and

2567
01:16:43,100 --> 01:16:46,100
on forever ever comes up,

2568
01:16:47,100 --> 01:16:48,100
then it's 250 every time

2569
01:16:48,100 --> 01:16:50,401
after that. I mean,

2570
01:16:51,100 --> 01:16:53,100
I don't really have a problem

2571
01:16:53,100 --> 01:16:54,100
with that approach. I mean it's

2572
01:16:54,100 --> 01:16:57,100
probably a little bit lighter

2573
01:16:58,100 --> 01:17:01,100
than if you look at Melbourne

2574
01:17:01,100 --> 01:17:03,100
beach or in the Atlantic. It

2575
01:17:03,100 --> 01:17:04,100
was, you know, 100 the first go

2576
01:17:04,100 --> 01:17:07,100
around. I mean, I'm okay

2577
01:17:07,100 --> 01:17:10,100
with that. Too. I think that's

2578
01:17:10,100 --> 01:17:11,100
a reasonable approach

2579
01:17:11,100 --> 01:17:14,601
to it. I'll open up for.

2580
01:17:16,100 --> 01:17:18,100
Since we're trying

2581
01:17:20,100 --> 01:17:21,100
to make some decisions here,

2582
01:17:21,100 --> 01:17:23,100
please.

2583
01:17:28,100 --> 01:17:29,100
>> You know, it's pretty easy

2584
01:17:29,100 --> 01:17:30,100
to count the votes. This is

2585
01:17:30,100 --> 01:17:32,100
going to go forward. If it goes

2586
01:17:32,100 --> 01:17:35,100
forward. And as you're crafting

2587
01:17:35,100 --> 01:17:37,100
the language, could you please

2588
01:17:37,100 --> 01:17:38,100
include something that would

2589
01:17:38,100 --> 01:17:40,100
prohibit the use

2590
01:17:42,100 --> 01:17:44,100
of marijuana? And I don't know

2591
01:17:44,100 --> 01:17:45,100
if it has

2592
01:17:45,100 --> 01:17:47,401
to be specifically stated,

2593
01:17:48,100 --> 01:17:50,100
the smoking of marijuana,

2594
01:17:50,100 --> 01:17:51,100
whether it's. Eventually it's

2595
01:17:51,100 --> 01:17:53,100
going to pass and it's going to

2596
01:17:53,100 --> 01:17:54,100
become something that you will

2597
01:17:54,100 --> 01:17:57,100
have to face. So, if you could

2598
01:17:57,100 --> 01:17:58,100
put that into this ordinance

2599
01:17:58,100 --> 01:18:00,100
that you're crafting,

2600
01:18:01,100 --> 01:18:02,100
I would really appreciate that.

2601
01:18:02,100 --> 01:18:04,100
Thank you.

2602
01:18:04,100 --> 01:18:05,100
>> Good point, sir. Thank you

2603
01:18:05,100 --> 01:18:07,100
for bringing that

2604
01:18:08,100 --> 01:18:10,100
to our attention. I mean, I

2605
01:18:10,100 --> 01:18:12,100
know we say smoking and vaping.

2606
01:18:12,100 --> 01:18:13,100
Is that. Do you have

2607
01:18:13,100 --> 01:18:15,100
to define that somewhere? How

2608
01:18:15,100 --> 01:18:17,100
that gets put

2609
01:18:17,100 --> 01:18:19,100
out there? I'll have to take a

2610
01:18:19,100 --> 01:18:20,100
look again. I think it would be

2611
01:18:20,100 --> 01:18:21,100
better because vaping started

2612
01:18:21,100 --> 01:18:23,100
as marijuana use anyway.

2613
01:18:23,100 --> 01:18:24,100
Right. So, we probably want

2614
01:18:24,100 --> 01:18:27,601
to include that. So just. Just

2615
01:18:32,100 --> 01:18:33,100
looking at what you have

2616
01:18:33,100 --> 01:18:34,100
in there for issues

2617
01:18:34,100 --> 01:18:37,100
for consideration, do you. Do

2618
01:18:37,100 --> 01:18:38,100
you see. Is there anything

2619
01:18:38,100 --> 01:18:39,100
on their else that we need

2620
01:18:39,100 --> 01:18:40,100
to talk about or. That wasn't

2621
01:18:40,100 --> 01:18:41,100
included in the original?

2622
01:18:41,100 --> 01:18:42,100
>> I think I just need the

2623
01:18:42,100 --> 01:18:43,100
consensus that you want me

2624
01:18:43,100 --> 01:18:44,100
to put the citations like

2625
01:18:44,100 --> 01:18:46,100
Indian Harbors is that.

2626
01:18:46,100 --> 01:18:47,100
>> I'm okay with that,

2627
01:18:47,100 --> 01:18:49,100
with the direction.

2628
01:18:50,100 --> 01:18:52,100
>> I'm good with that.

2629
01:18:52,100 --> 01:18:54,100
>> Okay.

2630
01:18:55,100 --> 01:18:57,100
>> All right, then we will. We

2631
01:18:57,100 --> 01:18:59,100
will draft it and bring it

2632
01:18:59,100 --> 01:19:00,100
to the next. The next council

2633
01:19:00,100 --> 01:19:01,100
meeting.

2634
01:19:01,100 --> 01:19:03,401
>> I'm good with that.

2635
01:19:05,100 --> 01:19:06,100
>> Everybody, there's just

2636
01:19:06,100 --> 01:19:07,100
to bring up a kind of go

2637
01:19:07,100 --> 01:19:09,100
on the point that was just made

2638
01:19:09,100 --> 01:19:11,401
with marijuana. A medical

2639
01:19:12,100 --> 01:19:15,100
marijuana user would still fall

2640
01:19:15,100 --> 01:19:17,100
into this category. Yeah, you

2641
01:19:17,100 --> 01:19:19,100
can use it at home. Just don't

2642
01:19:19,100 --> 01:19:21,100
bring it to the beach. Right.

2643
01:19:21,100 --> 01:19:22,100
So, I'm kind of looking at Jim

2644
01:19:22,100 --> 01:19:24,100
to see does that have

2645
01:19:24,100 --> 01:19:25,100
to be specific in the ordinance

2646
01:19:25,100 --> 01:19:27,100
or is that understood?

2647
01:19:27,100 --> 01:19:28,100
>> I have to look.

2648
01:19:28,100 --> 01:19:29,100
>> Okay, okay.

2649
01:19:29,100 --> 01:19:31,100
>> You just outlawed it, so.

2650
01:19:31,100 --> 01:19:32,100
No, he's covered. He's not

2651
01:19:32,100 --> 01:19:33,100
covered. He has to do it

2652
01:19:33,100 --> 01:19:34,100
at home just

2653
01:19:34,100 --> 01:19:36,401
like the smokers. Yeah.

2654
01:19:40,100 --> 01:19:42,100
>> It sounds like it's already

2655
01:19:42,100 --> 01:19:43,100
in the law. So, you're not

2656
01:19:43,100 --> 01:19:44,100
allowed to smoke it

2657
01:19:44,100 --> 01:19:45,100
in five public.

2658
01:19:45,100 --> 01:19:46,100
>> So that would be

2659
01:19:46,100 --> 01:19:47,100
unnecessary.

2660
01:19:47,100 --> 01:19:48,100
>> Even if someone carries a

2661
01:19:48,100 --> 01:19:50,100
medical marijuana card. Card.

2662
01:19:50,100 --> 01:19:52,100
>> Okay.

2663
01:19:52,100 --> 01:19:53,100
>> They. They can stand there

2664
01:19:53,100 --> 01:19:54,100
with a medical.

2665
01:19:54,100 --> 01:19:56,100
>> Marijuana card and keep

2666
01:19:56,100 --> 01:19:58,100
comings all day.

2667
01:20:01,100 --> 01:20:03,100
>> Long and there's nothing

2668
01:20:03,100 --> 01:20:04,100
anything like you.

2669
01:20:04,100 --> 01:20:06,100
>> About it, but you,

2670
01:20:06,100 --> 01:20:08,100
you fire that.

2671
01:20:09,100 --> 01:20:10,100
>> Up and you got

2672
01:20:10,100 --> 01:20:11,100
to come.

2673
01:20:11,100 --> 01:20:12,100
>> Okay.

2674
01:20:12,100 --> 01:20:13,100
>> So, you have enough info on

2675
01:20:13,100 --> 01:20:14,100
that? I think a good consensus

2676
01:20:14,100 --> 01:20:15,100
on everything. Okay. All right,

2677
01:20:15,100 --> 01:20:16,100
moving on to agenda item 12.

2678
01:20:16,100 --> 01:20:17,100
Discuss, take action on

2679
01:20:17,100 --> 01:20:18,100
regulating alcohol consumption

2680
01:20:18,100 --> 01:20:19,100
on city property.

2681
01:20:19,100 --> 01:20:21,100
>> Thank you, Mayor. So, this

2682
01:20:21,100 --> 01:20:23,100
one is because it was asked

2683
01:20:23,100 --> 01:20:25,100
about to bring forth. So, it's

2684
01:20:25,100 --> 01:20:27,100
the same, the same thing. We

2685
01:20:27,100 --> 01:20:28,100
brought some staff,

2686
01:20:28,100 --> 01:20:29,100
has put together some

2687
01:20:29,100 --> 01:20:30,100
of the things that are going

2688
01:20:30,100 --> 01:20:31,100
on around some

2689
01:20:31,100 --> 01:20:32,100
of the other communities.

2690
01:20:32,100 --> 01:20:33,100
But just wanted

2691
01:20:33,100 --> 01:20:34,100
to make sure that you were

2692
01:20:34,100 --> 01:20:35,100
aware of what's currently

2693
01:20:35,100 --> 01:20:36,100
in our language. The current

2694
01:20:36,100 --> 01:20:37,100
ordinance prohibits alcohol

2695
01:20:37,100 --> 01:20:39,100
consumption

2696
01:20:39,100 --> 01:20:40,100
on any city owned streets,

2697
01:20:40,100 --> 01:20:42,100
sidewalks or properties except

2698
01:20:42,100 --> 01:20:43,100
under permit at specific

2699
01:20:43,100 --> 01:20:44,100
facilities that include the

2700
01:20:44,100 --> 01:20:46,100
Civic center, the DRS

2701
01:20:46,100 --> 01:20:47,100
Community Center, Sampson's

2702
01:20:47,100 --> 01:20:48,100
Island, Pelican beach park and

2703
01:20:48,100 --> 01:20:49,100
Pelican Beach Clubhouse. So

2704
01:20:49,100 --> 01:20:52,100
again, there is data here

2705
01:20:52,100 --> 01:20:54,100
from the surrounding

2706
01:20:54,100 --> 01:20:55,100
communities in Brevard county,

2707
01:20:55,100 --> 01:20:56,100
including Brevard County. And

2708
01:20:56,100 --> 01:20:58,100
then some issues

2709
01:20:58,100 --> 01:20:59,100
for key issues

2710
01:20:59,100 --> 01:21:00,100
for some consideration

2711
01:21:00,100 --> 01:21:02,100
to discuss some

2712
01:21:02,100 --> 01:21:04,100
of the special events, parks

2713
01:21:04,100 --> 01:21:05,100
and beaches and then how you

2714
01:21:05,100 --> 01:21:06,100
might want to see those,

2715
01:21:06,100 --> 01:21:07,100
if you were to include those,

2716
01:21:07,100 --> 01:21:09,100
how you would like

2717
01:21:09,100 --> 01:21:12,100
to see those addressed and

2718
01:21:14,100 --> 01:21:16,100
for future things.

2719
01:21:16,100 --> 01:21:17,100
>> So just looking

2720
01:21:17,100 --> 01:21:18,100
at this as a whole, does

2721
01:21:18,100 --> 01:21:19,100
everybody see what I see that.

2722
01:21:19,100 --> 01:21:21,100
I guess the first thing that

2723
01:21:21,100 --> 01:21:23,100
jumped out

2724
01:21:24,100 --> 01:21:25,100
to me is other than Cocoa

2725
01:21:25,100 --> 01:21:26,100
beach, everybody has it. Not

2726
01:21:26,100 --> 01:21:28,100
allowed in general.

2727
01:21:28,100 --> 01:21:29,100
>> I like Melbourne beach once

2728
01:21:29,100 --> 01:21:30,100
again here, if I'm reading this

2729
01:21:30,100 --> 01:21:31,100
correctly.

2730
01:21:31,100 --> 01:21:33,100
>> Okay. Yeah. Not restricted

2731
01:21:33,100 --> 01:21:35,100
by anything.

2732
01:21:36,100 --> 01:21:37,100
>> Except for parks.

2733
01:21:37,100 --> 01:21:39,100
>> Except for parks.

2734
01:21:39,100 --> 01:21:41,401
>> There is a reason

2735
01:21:42,100 --> 01:21:45,100
for why we don't want

2736
01:21:45,100 --> 01:21:48,100
to openly advertise a can

2737
01:21:49,100 --> 01:21:50,100
of beer walking

2738
01:21:50,100 --> 01:21:52,100
down the street. And I was kind

2739
01:21:52,100 --> 01:21:55,100
of wondering if. Chief, is

2740
01:21:57,100 --> 01:22:00,100
there bad things? I mean,

2741
01:22:00,100 --> 01:22:03,100
knowing who we are as a city.

2742
01:22:03,100 --> 01:22:04,100
Sorry to put you on the spot,

2743
01:22:04,100 --> 01:22:08,201
but knowing who we are as a

2744
01:22:16,100 --> 01:22:17,100
city and we are, at least

2745
01:22:17,100 --> 01:22:18,100
in my area, we're becoming very

2746
01:22:18,100 --> 01:22:19,100
kid friendly because we have a

2747
01:22:19,100 --> 01:22:20,100
lot of new families moving in

2748
01:22:20,100 --> 01:22:21,100
with little kids and we are

2749
01:22:21,100 --> 01:22:22,100
representing them, recognizing.

2750
01:22:22,100 --> 01:22:23,100
I see my neighbors walking

2751
01:22:23,100 --> 01:22:24,100
around and they're walking

2752
01:22:24,100 --> 01:22:26,100
around with cans of beer

2753
01:22:26,100 --> 01:22:27,100
on them or whatever. It has a

2754
01:22:27,100 --> 01:22:29,100
different meaning

2755
01:22:29,100 --> 01:22:32,100
to kids and then it also may

2756
01:22:32,100 --> 01:22:33,100
have a different meaning

2757
01:22:33,100 --> 01:22:34,100
to law enforcement. So really

2758
01:22:34,100 --> 01:22:35,100
the question is,

2759
01:22:35,100 --> 01:22:38,100
to law enforcement. What's the

2760
01:22:38,100 --> 01:22:39,100
biggest plus for the city not

2761
01:22:39,100 --> 01:22:40,100
allowing alcohol consumption

2762
01:22:40,100 --> 01:22:42,100
on a street compared

2763
01:22:42,100 --> 01:22:44,100
to allowing it.

2764
01:22:46,100 --> 01:22:48,100
>> The direct answer to that

2765
01:22:48,100 --> 01:22:49,100
question would be just what we

2766
01:22:49,100 --> 01:22:51,100
talked about earlier. It would

2767
01:22:51,100 --> 01:22:52,100
just give us another tool

2768
01:22:52,100 --> 01:22:53,100
to be able

2769
01:22:53,100 --> 01:22:55,100
to address a situation that,

2770
01:22:55,100 --> 01:22:57,100
where people are engaging

2771
01:22:57,100 --> 01:22:58,100
in behavior that's not good,

2772
01:22:58,100 --> 01:23:00,100
but hasn't risen to any

2773
01:23:00,100 --> 01:23:02,100
criminal level or any level

2774
01:23:02,100 --> 01:23:04,100
that we could do anything

2775
01:23:04,100 --> 01:23:05,100
about,

2776
01:23:05,100 --> 01:23:06,100
but we know it's going to.

2777
01:23:06,100 --> 01:23:08,100
That would just give us the

2778
01:23:08,100 --> 01:23:10,100
ability to say, listen, you,

2779
01:23:10,100 --> 01:23:12,100
you got a beer. You're not

2780
01:23:12,100 --> 01:23:13,100
allowed to have that. It's

2781
01:23:13,100 --> 01:23:15,100
against the law. So why don't

2782
01:23:15,100 --> 01:23:16,100
you Just head home. It's really

2783
01:23:16,100 --> 01:23:18,100
the same situation as it's not

2784
01:23:18,100 --> 01:23:20,100
allowed on the beach. And if we

2785
01:23:20,100 --> 01:23:21,100
have a situation

2786
01:23:21,100 --> 01:23:22,100
on the beach,

2787
01:23:22,100 --> 01:23:24,100
which we don't very often,

2788
01:23:24,100 --> 01:23:26,100
but every once

2789
01:23:26,100 --> 01:23:27,100
in a blue moon, you get two

2790
01:23:27,100 --> 01:23:28,100
people fishing and they get

2791
01:23:28,100 --> 01:23:30,100
into an argument. If they've

2792
01:23:30,100 --> 01:23:31,100
both been drinking and they got

2793
01:23:31,100 --> 01:23:32,100
stuff with them,

2794
01:23:32,100 --> 01:23:33,100
we can just use that to say,

2795
01:23:33,100 --> 01:23:34,100
listen, you guys got stuff

2796
01:23:34,100 --> 01:23:35,100
you're not supposed to ask.

2797
01:23:35,100 --> 01:23:36,100
You probably want to just pack

2798
01:23:36,100 --> 01:23:38,100
them up and find a ride home.

2799
01:23:38,100 --> 01:23:39,100
That that's a tool that we

2800
01:23:39,100 --> 01:23:40,100
would have to use

2801
01:23:40,100 --> 01:23:42,100
in that situation.

2802
01:23:45,100 --> 01:23:47,100
>> So, not that I went behind

2803
01:23:47,100 --> 01:23:49,100
the chief's back or anything,

2804
01:23:49,100 --> 01:23:53,201
but I did speak to an officer

2805
01:23:54,100 --> 01:23:56,100
and he basically echoed what

2806
01:23:56,100 --> 01:23:57,100
you said, and he gave me an

2807
01:23:57,100 --> 01:24:00,100
example where they had a bunch

2808
01:24:00,100 --> 01:24:01,100
of people at the skate park and

2809
01:24:01,100 --> 01:24:04,100
they were there and they were

2810
01:24:04,100 --> 01:24:07,100
drinking beer. And it got

2811
01:24:07,100 --> 01:24:08,100
to the point where he was able

2812
01:24:08,100 --> 01:24:10,100
to say, hey,

2813
01:24:11,100 --> 01:24:13,100
you can't do that here. Why

2814
01:24:13,100 --> 01:24:14,100
don't you pack it up and leave

2815
01:24:14,100 --> 01:24:16,100
as just saying you're not

2816
01:24:16,100 --> 01:24:19,100
out there trying to run

2817
01:24:19,100 --> 01:24:20,100
around and find people drinking

2818
01:24:20,100 --> 01:24:22,100
on the beach or anywhere else.

2819
01:24:22,100 --> 01:24:25,100
However, you can use it if the

2820
01:24:25,100 --> 01:24:28,100
situation arises, as you said,

2821
01:24:28,100 --> 01:24:30,100
as a tool

2822
01:24:30,100 --> 01:24:32,100
to curb a situation or

2823
01:24:32,100 --> 01:24:34,100
behavior.

2824
01:24:35,100 --> 01:24:36,100
But we're not paying folks

2825
01:24:36,100 --> 01:24:37,100
to go out there to run up and

2826
01:24:37,100 --> 01:24:39,100
down the beach looking

2827
01:24:39,100 --> 01:24:40,100
at everybody's cooler

2828
01:24:40,100 --> 01:24:43,100
to see what's going on

2829
01:24:43,100 --> 01:24:44,100
out there. And I would tend to

2830
01:24:44,100 --> 01:24:45,100
agree. I think we've had

2831
01:24:45,100 --> 01:24:46,100
discussion I don't know how

2832
01:24:46,100 --> 01:24:48,100
many times. Whether it's code

2833
01:24:48,100 --> 01:24:49,100
enforcement or everything else

2834
01:24:49,100 --> 01:24:51,100
that we talk about in the city

2835
01:24:51,100 --> 01:24:52,100
of Satellite Beach. We always

2836
01:24:52,100 --> 01:24:54,100
just try to say is unless

2837
01:24:54,100 --> 01:24:56,100
someone points it out

2838
01:24:56,100 --> 01:24:57,100
to be a problem,

2839
01:24:57,100 --> 01:24:59,100
unless it becomes an issue,

2840
01:24:59,100 --> 01:25:02,100
then we address the issue. If

2841
01:25:02,100 --> 01:25:04,100
it's not a problem, then

2842
01:25:04,100 --> 01:25:06,100
everybody just leaves it alone.

2843
01:25:06,100 --> 01:25:09,100
And then we just address it

2844
01:25:09,100 --> 01:25:10,100
that way. Like I said,

2845
01:25:10,100 --> 01:25:11,100
I think we kind of do that

2846
01:25:11,100 --> 01:25:13,100
with most things

2847
01:25:13,100 --> 01:25:15,100
around here. I don't much to, I

2848
01:25:15,100 --> 01:25:17,100
would say some citizens

2849
01:25:17,100 --> 01:25:19,100
chagrin. I don't see cops

2850
01:25:19,100 --> 01:25:20,100
for flying down the street

2851
01:25:20,100 --> 01:25:21,100
in the car

2852
01:25:21,100 --> 01:25:22,100
with their lights on,

2853
01:25:22,100 --> 01:25:23,100
chasing kids

2854
01:25:23,100 --> 01:25:24,100
with no helmets on, although I

2855
01:25:24,100 --> 01:25:26,100
see them every day. I saw them

2856
01:25:26,100 --> 01:25:28,100
today on my way home

2857
01:25:28,100 --> 01:25:30,100
from work. Kids that I know

2858
01:25:30,100 --> 01:25:32,100
that are not 16 years old and

2859
01:25:32,100 --> 01:25:33,100
they're riding around

2860
01:25:33,100 --> 01:25:35,401
with no helmets on.

2861
01:25:38,100 --> 01:25:40,100
But again, I'm short

2862
01:25:40,100 --> 01:25:41,100
of they ride right by them.

2863
01:25:41,100 --> 01:25:42,100
That might be a different

2864
01:25:42,100 --> 01:25:43,100
story, but I don't look

2865
01:25:43,100 --> 01:25:46,100
for us as a community to run

2866
01:25:46,100 --> 01:25:47,100
around trying

2867
01:25:47,100 --> 01:25:49,100
to find stuff. I think all

2868
01:25:49,100 --> 01:25:50,100
of our people have better

2869
01:25:50,100 --> 01:25:52,100
things to do than to do that,

2870
01:25:52,100 --> 01:25:54,100
but you should have that option

2871
01:25:54,100 --> 01:25:57,100
or that available to you.

2872
01:25:57,100 --> 01:25:59,100
Should you need it

2873
01:25:59,100 --> 01:26:00,100
to do that? Which, again,

2874
01:26:00,100 --> 01:26:02,100
I would just say, historically,

2875
01:26:02,100 --> 01:26:04,100
as a city, we've done that

2876
01:26:04,100 --> 01:26:05,100
in a lot of ways.

2877
01:26:05,100 --> 01:26:06,100
Like I said, we've done a lot

2878
01:26:06,100 --> 01:26:08,100
of code enforcement that way.

2879
01:26:08,100 --> 01:26:09,100
We're just kind of talking

2880
01:26:09,100 --> 01:26:11,100
about that

2881
01:26:11,100 --> 01:26:14,100
with the smoking thing. You

2882
01:26:14,100 --> 01:26:15,100
know, the idea is if it's a

2883
01:26:15,100 --> 01:26:16,100
problem,

2884
01:26:16,100 --> 01:26:18,100
we address the problem. It's

2885
01:26:18,100 --> 01:26:20,100
not a problem. I mean, I would

2886
01:26:20,100 --> 01:26:23,100
like to. I would say the same

2887
01:26:23,100 --> 01:26:25,100
thing about dogs on a beach,

2888
01:26:25,100 --> 01:26:27,100
much to a lot

2889
01:26:27,100 --> 01:26:28,100
of citizens chagrin, which.

2890
01:26:28,100 --> 01:26:29,100
That probably. You probably get

2891
01:26:29,100 --> 01:26:32,100
a lot more calls on that than

2892
01:26:32,100 --> 01:26:33,100
you would want.

2893
01:26:33,100 --> 01:26:34,100
>> I twitch just when you say

2894
01:26:34,100 --> 01:26:36,100
dogs on the beach.

2895
01:26:36,100 --> 01:26:37,100
>> Good night.

2896
01:26:37,100 --> 01:26:38,100
>> Designated hours. I stand

2897
01:26:38,100 --> 01:26:39,100
by my

2898
01:26:39,100 --> 01:26:41,100
>> There's a solution.

2899
01:26:41,100 --> 01:26:42,100
>> I agree, yes. Designated

2900
01:26:42,100 --> 01:26:44,100
hours.

2901
01:26:44,100 --> 01:26:45,100
>> It just kills me.

2902
01:26:45,100 --> 01:26:47,100
>> But, you know,

2903
01:26:47,100 --> 01:26:49,100
on the same hand is, you know,

2904
01:26:49,100 --> 01:26:50,100
I would say there's no bad

2905
01:26:50,100 --> 01:26:51,100
pets,

2906
01:26:51,100 --> 01:26:52,100
there's just bad pet owners.

2907
01:26:52,100 --> 01:26:54,100
So, if people would behave

2908
01:26:54,100 --> 01:26:56,100
appropriately and not cause a

2909
01:26:56,100 --> 01:26:57,100
problem, you may not have a

2910
01:26:57,100 --> 01:26:59,100
problem. And I think when we

2911
01:26:59,100 --> 01:27:01,100
talk about. When we talk

2912
01:27:01,100 --> 01:27:02,100
about parking

2913
01:27:02,100 --> 01:27:04,100
on the beach and that some of

2914
01:27:04,100 --> 01:27:05,100
the things that were brought up

2915
01:27:05,100 --> 01:27:07,100
by the committees and what they

2916
01:27:07,100 --> 01:27:08,100
brought to us was the behavior

2917
01:27:08,100 --> 01:27:10,100
that was going on

2918
01:27:10,100 --> 01:27:12,100
at the beach,

2919
01:27:13,100 --> 01:27:14,100
people burying diapers

2920
01:27:14,100 --> 01:27:16,100
in the sand and all those type

2921
01:27:16,100 --> 01:27:17,100
of things that was going on.

2922
01:27:17,100 --> 01:27:18,100
That was the problem. That was

2923
01:27:18,100 --> 01:27:20,100
the problem at hand,

2924
01:27:20,100 --> 01:27:21,100
that we had to come up

2925
01:27:21,100 --> 01:27:22,100
with a solution to address that

2926
01:27:22,100 --> 01:27:24,100
problem.

2927
01:27:25,100 --> 01:27:26,100
>> I appreciate the practical

2928
01:27:26,100 --> 01:27:27,100
point in the. That you're

2929
01:27:27,100 --> 01:27:29,100
making, but I guess I kind

2930
01:27:29,100 --> 01:27:31,100
of come back

2931
01:27:31,100 --> 01:27:33,100
to the philosophical point that

2932
01:27:33,100 --> 01:27:35,100
Councilman Sams made,

2933
01:27:36,100 --> 01:27:38,100
is that if. If an adult is

2934
01:27:38,100 --> 01:27:40,100
consuming alcohol responsibly

2935
01:27:40,100 --> 01:27:41,100
in an aluminum, not glass,

2936
01:27:41,100 --> 01:27:43,100
because there's an externality

2937
01:27:43,100 --> 01:27:44,100
there, you know, like, you

2938
01:27:44,100 --> 01:27:45,100
know,

2939
01:27:45,100 --> 01:27:47,401
that's really an exercise

2940
01:27:50,100 --> 01:27:51,100
of their individual liberty,

2941
01:27:51,100 --> 01:27:53,100
in my view. That being said,

2942
01:27:53,100 --> 01:27:54,100
said we don't want our city

2943
01:27:54,100 --> 01:27:57,100
to be a, you know, target

2944
01:27:57,100 --> 01:27:58,100
for flash mobs

2945
01:27:58,100 --> 01:28:00,100
of irresponsible people. But I

2946
01:28:00,100 --> 01:28:01,100
don't know the. I was a

2947
01:28:01,100 --> 01:28:02,100
prosecutor in Georgia, so I

2948
01:28:02,100 --> 01:28:03,100
know their criminal code a lot

2949
01:28:03,100 --> 01:28:04,100
better than I know ours.

2950
01:28:04,100 --> 01:28:05,100
Hardly here at all.

2951
01:28:05,100 --> 01:28:06,100
But it's like, there's.

2952
01:28:06,100 --> 01:28:07,100
Disorderly conduct is a crime

2953
01:28:07,100 --> 01:28:09,100
up there. It's not just that

2954
01:28:09,100 --> 01:28:10,100
you're intoxicated. You have

2955
01:28:10,100 --> 01:28:12,100
to show boisterousness, I

2956
01:28:12,100 --> 01:28:14,100
think, is like, what's

2957
01:28:14,100 --> 01:28:16,100
in the code. So, if you were

2958
01:28:16,100 --> 01:28:17,100
being disorderly,

2959
01:28:17,100 --> 01:28:18,100
I'm sure there's somewhere

2960
01:28:18,100 --> 01:28:19,100
in the floor of code that would

2961
01:28:19,100 --> 01:28:20,100
cover public intoxication or

2962
01:28:20,100 --> 01:28:21,100
disorderly conduct or something

2963
01:28:21,100 --> 01:28:22,100
of that nature. If your

2964
01:28:22,100 --> 01:28:23,100
intoxication is causing you to.

2965
01:28:23,100 --> 01:28:25,100
You know,

2966
01:28:25,100 --> 01:28:28,601
I get that this allows room

2967
01:28:29,100 --> 01:28:31,100
for discretion

2968
01:28:31,100 --> 01:28:33,100
below that level. And that

2969
01:28:33,100 --> 01:28:35,100
point is well taken. So, I

2970
01:28:35,100 --> 01:28:38,601
just, I can't. The reason it

2971
01:28:39,100 --> 01:28:40,100
came to me is I was reading the

2972
01:28:40,100 --> 01:28:42,100
statute. You know, it's

2973
01:28:42,100 --> 01:28:44,100
like I can't think

2974
01:28:44,100 --> 01:28:46,100
of a good argument as to why a

2975
01:28:46,100 --> 01:28:48,100
responsible adult should not be

2976
01:28:48,100 --> 01:28:51,100
able to drink a beer

2977
01:28:52,100 --> 01:28:53,100
in an aluminum, you know,

2978
01:28:53,100 --> 01:28:55,100
container on one of our beaches

2979
01:28:55,100 --> 01:28:57,100
or our sidewalks or park,

2980
01:28:57,100 --> 01:28:59,100
for that matter.

2981
01:28:59,100 --> 01:29:00,100
>> Well, because you're

2982
01:29:00,100 --> 01:29:01,100
influencing the kids,

2983
01:29:01,100 --> 01:29:03,100
remember?

2984
01:29:03,100 --> 01:29:06,100
>> Yeah, that I, That's a. I

2985
01:29:06,100 --> 01:29:07,100
mean, you could get

2986
01:29:07,100 --> 01:29:08,100
to that straw man that goes,

2987
01:29:08,100 --> 01:29:09,100
that goes into any. That goes

2988
01:29:09,100 --> 01:29:11,100
into really, you know,

2989
01:29:11,100 --> 01:29:12,100
public hygiene type, you know,

2990
01:29:12,100 --> 01:29:14,401
arguments that I don't.

2991
01:29:16,100 --> 01:29:17,100
>> So, I guess my question is.

2992
01:29:17,100 --> 01:29:19,100
And, you know, I appreciate

2993
01:29:19,100 --> 01:29:22,100
that, you know, you looked

2994
01:29:22,100 --> 01:29:24,100
at the current ordinance, but

2995
01:29:24,100 --> 01:29:26,100
I. So, I would go back and say

2996
01:29:26,100 --> 01:29:27,100
this difference from. This

2997
01:29:27,100 --> 01:29:29,100
differs from the smoking

2998
01:29:29,100 --> 01:29:31,100
ordinance because we didn't

2999
01:29:31,100 --> 01:29:32,100
have one. So, we're trying

3000
01:29:32,100 --> 01:29:33,100
to solve that issue. So, we

3001
01:29:33,100 --> 01:29:35,100
already have this ordinance.

3002
01:29:35,100 --> 01:29:37,100
It's already, it's

3003
01:29:37,100 --> 01:29:38,100
on the books. It's been this

3004
01:29:38,100 --> 01:29:39,100
way I don't know how many

3005
01:29:39,100 --> 01:29:41,100
years. It's probably been

3006
01:29:41,100 --> 01:29:43,100
on the books. But do you

3007
01:29:43,100 --> 01:29:45,100
perceive this as it's a current

3008
01:29:45,100 --> 01:29:46,100
problem or is it a current

3009
01:29:46,100 --> 01:29:47,100
issue? Do you see that as Do

3010
01:29:47,100 --> 01:29:50,100
you know, has it gone

3011
01:29:50,100 --> 01:29:51,100
around and infringed on anybody

3012
01:29:51,100 --> 01:29:53,401
that you know of?

3013
01:29:55,100 --> 01:29:57,100
>> No, no. It came

3014
01:29:57,100 --> 01:29:59,100
to me because I think we're,

3015
01:29:59,100 --> 01:30:02,100
the smoking ban, if you will,

3016
01:30:02,100 --> 01:30:03,100
was an amendment

3017
01:30:03,100 --> 01:30:04,100
to this same code section.

3018
01:30:04,100 --> 01:30:06,100
>> Yes.

3019
01:30:06,100 --> 01:30:08,100
>> And it occurred to me that

3020
01:30:08,100 --> 01:30:09,100
in and of itself, the conduct

3021
01:30:09,100 --> 01:30:11,100
that's being prohibited there,

3022
01:30:11,100 --> 01:30:12,100
as outlined by me, you know,

3023
01:30:12,100 --> 01:30:14,100
someone who's of age

3024
01:30:14,100 --> 01:30:15,100
with an aluminum container,

3025
01:30:15,100 --> 01:30:17,100
who's not. Other otherwise,

3026
01:30:17,100 --> 01:30:19,100
you know, who's not intoxicated

3027
01:30:19,100 --> 01:30:21,100
otherwise doing anything wrong.

3028
01:30:21,100 --> 01:30:23,100
I don't know that that should

3029
01:30:23,100 --> 01:30:25,100
be prohibited in our city. I

3030
01:30:25,100 --> 01:30:27,100
get the implication that that

3031
01:30:27,100 --> 01:30:28,100
person is not going

3032
01:30:28,100 --> 01:30:30,100
to necessarily be chosen

3033
01:30:30,100 --> 01:30:31,100
to have a. Have a problem

3034
01:30:31,100 --> 01:30:34,601
with that. Doesn't. I guess I

3035
01:30:35,100 --> 01:30:36,100
still theoretical things don't

3036
01:30:36,100 --> 01:30:38,100
still matter to me. So that's.

3037
01:30:38,100 --> 01:30:41,100
Why I brought it up.

3038
01:30:42,100 --> 01:30:44,100
>> May I make a comment?

3039
01:30:44,100 --> 01:30:45,100
>> Absolutely. Okay.

3040
01:30:45,100 --> 01:30:46,100
>> I don't see any reason

3041
01:30:46,100 --> 01:30:48,100
to change what we have

3042
01:30:48,100 --> 01:30:49,100
at this point, except I want

3043
01:30:49,100 --> 01:30:50,100
to ask Chief a question.

3044
01:30:50,100 --> 01:30:52,100
Currently, our enforcement or

3045
01:30:52,100 --> 01:30:54,100
penalties are not specified.

3046
01:30:54,100 --> 01:30:55,100
Are you still good with that?

3047
01:30:55,100 --> 01:30:57,100
Do you feel

3048
01:30:57,100 --> 01:30:58,100
like that part should change

3049
01:30:58,100 --> 01:30:59,100
at all? Are you good how it's

3050
01:30:59,100 --> 01:31:01,100
written?

3051
01:31:06,100 --> 01:31:07,100
>> Honestly, if you're asking

3052
01:31:07,100 --> 01:31:08,100
me that question,

3053
01:31:08,100 --> 01:31:09,100
then I would say if we're going

3054
01:31:09,100 --> 01:31:10,100
to address it and you want to,

3055
01:31:10,100 --> 01:31:11,100
it would be easier

3056
01:31:11,100 --> 01:31:13,100
in that particular section

3057
01:31:13,100 --> 01:31:15,100
to be able

3058
01:31:15,100 --> 01:31:16,100
to write a citation, because

3059
01:31:16,100 --> 01:31:19,100
right now as our city attorney

3060
01:31:19,100 --> 01:31:21,401
pointed out, every. Every

3061
01:31:22,100 --> 01:31:23,100
violation of our city ordinance

3062
01:31:23,100 --> 01:31:25,100
that doesn't have a particular

3063
01:31:25,100 --> 01:31:27,100
penalty attached to it as a

3064
01:31:27,100 --> 01:31:28,100
secondary misdemeanor. So, we

3065
01:31:28,100 --> 01:31:29,100
go from its either. It's like

3066
01:31:29,100 --> 01:31:31,100
0 to 100 and so

3067
01:31:31,100 --> 01:31:33,100
to have something in the middle

3068
01:31:33,100 --> 01:31:35,100
would be nice only because

3069
01:31:35,100 --> 01:31:36,100
you're talking about it and

3070
01:31:36,100 --> 01:31:37,100
because you asked me the

3071
01:31:37,100 --> 01:31:38,100
question, is it,

3072
01:31:38,100 --> 01:31:40,100
is it anywhere a big enough

3073
01:31:40,100 --> 01:31:41,100
deal for me to ever come

3074
01:31:41,100 --> 01:31:42,100
to the boss and say, hey, boss,

3075
01:31:42,100 --> 01:31:43,100
I'd like to bring this up

3076
01:31:43,100 --> 01:31:44,100
to the city council that we

3077
01:31:44,100 --> 01:31:45,100
need

3078
01:31:45,100 --> 01:31:46,100
to add a penalty or citations

3079
01:31:46,100 --> 01:31:47,100
for this not even close. So,

3080
01:31:47,100 --> 01:31:49,100
you could make it like a, like

3081
01:31:49,100 --> 01:31:51,100
a civil city code violation

3082
01:31:51,100 --> 01:31:52,100
type thing. Yeah, that's what

3083
01:31:52,100 --> 01:31:54,100
we were just talking. About

3084
01:31:54,100 --> 01:31:55,100
in the last one. So, if there's

3085
01:31:55,100 --> 01:31:58,601
a violation of the code. The

3086
01:31:59,100 --> 01:32:00,100
police department is able

3087
01:32:00,100 --> 01:32:03,100
to write ticket, whatever the,

3088
01:32:05,100 --> 01:32:07,100
whatever that, whatever.

3089
01:32:07,100 --> 01:32:08,100
>> The paperwork is, that they

3090
01:32:08,100 --> 01:32:10,100
will be filing it legally as a

3091
01:32:10,100 --> 01:32:11,100
second-degree misdemeanor

3092
01:32:11,100 --> 01:32:12,100
for a violation of the local

3093
01:32:12,100 --> 01:32:14,100
government code.

3094
01:32:14,100 --> 01:32:15,100
>> But what the chief is

3095
01:32:15,100 --> 01:32:17,100
suggesting is that we could

3096
01:32:17,100 --> 01:32:19,100
potentially provide a middle

3097
01:32:19,100 --> 01:32:21,100
way.

3098
01:32:21,100 --> 01:32:22,100
>> Yeah, just like you were

3099
01:32:22,100 --> 01:32:23,100
talking about

3100
01:32:23,100 --> 01:32:24,100
with the last ordinance. You

3101
01:32:24,100 --> 01:32:26,100
can make it a non-civil

3102
01:32:26,100 --> 01:32:27,100
infraction. I mean. Yeah, a

3103
01:32:27,100 --> 01:32:28,100
non-criminal infraction and

3104
01:32:28,100 --> 01:32:29,100
establish fines

3105
01:32:29,100 --> 01:32:31,100
for it.

3106
01:32:31,100 --> 01:32:32,100
>> I mean, if we're not going

3107
01:32:32,100 --> 01:32:34,100
to have a consensus

3108
01:32:34,100 --> 01:32:36,100
to really, you know,

3109
01:32:36,100 --> 01:32:38,401
that would be a,

3110
01:32:39,100 --> 01:32:42,601
that would be a middle. That

3111
01:32:43,100 --> 01:32:44,100
would be a middle way that I

3112
01:32:44,100 --> 01:32:45,100
think there might be more

3113
01:32:45,100 --> 01:32:47,100
consensus for. I mean,

3114
01:32:47,100 --> 01:32:48,100
it sounds consistent

3115
01:32:48,100 --> 01:32:49,100
with what we've talked

3116
01:32:49,100 --> 01:32:50,100
about here. You know, I don't

3117
01:32:50,100 --> 01:32:52,100
know, but like,

3118
01:32:53,100 --> 01:32:55,100
that's--

3119
01:32:56,100 --> 01:32:58,100
>> I'm not in agreement

3120
01:32:58,100 --> 01:32:59,100
with allowing it

3121
01:32:59,100 --> 01:33:01,100
on the beaches or parks,

3122
01:33:01,100 --> 01:33:02,100
so I wouldn't necessarily want

3123
01:33:02,100 --> 01:33:03,100
to change the ordinance,

3124
01:33:03,100 --> 01:33:04,100
except I was curious

3125
01:33:04,100 --> 01:33:05,100
about that. The amounts we were

3126
01:33:05,100 --> 01:33:07,100
talking about for smoking,

3127
01:33:07,100 --> 01:33:08,100
fifty hundred for those,

3128
01:33:08,100 --> 01:33:10,100
keeping them consistent

3129
01:33:10,100 --> 01:33:12,100
with the two. Or do you have

3130
01:33:12,100 --> 01:33:14,100
thoughts on that?

3131
01:33:14,100 --> 01:33:16,100
>> Yes, ma' am. If you all

3132
01:33:16,100 --> 01:33:19,100
chose, because you're here and

3133
01:33:19,100 --> 01:33:20,100
you're looking at it, it's

3134
01:33:20,100 --> 01:33:21,100
in front of you and you would

3135
01:33:21,100 --> 01:33:22,100
ask me the question. If you

3136
01:33:22,100 --> 01:33:24,100
choose to say, hey,

3137
01:33:24,100 --> 01:33:25,100
let's lessen this from an

3138
01:33:25,100 --> 01:33:27,100
actual secondary misdemeanor

3139
01:33:28,100 --> 01:33:31,100
to just civil citation, then

3140
01:33:31,100 --> 01:33:33,401
yes, the more consistent

3141
01:33:35,100 --> 01:33:36,100
across the board you are,

3142
01:33:36,100 --> 01:33:38,100
instead of having to go,

3143
01:33:38,100 --> 01:33:39,100
everyone's different. It's kind

3144
01:33:39,100 --> 01:33:41,100
of a, that's kind

3145
01:33:41,100 --> 01:33:42,100
of a hassle. But, but that's.

3146
01:33:42,100 --> 01:33:43,100
Again, I,

3147
01:33:43,100 --> 01:33:44,100
I don't care one way or

3148
01:33:44,100 --> 01:33:45,100
another. So, if I say anything

3149
01:33:45,100 --> 01:33:46,100
that sounds

3150
01:33:46,100 --> 01:33:48,100
like I'm trying to, I'm not. I

3151
01:33:48,100 --> 01:33:49,100
really, I don't make laws. I

3152
01:33:49,100 --> 01:33:50,100
enforce them. You do whatever

3153
01:33:50,100 --> 01:33:52,100
you do Whatever you say,

3154
01:33:52,100 --> 01:33:53,100
we'll take care of it. Not a

3155
01:33:53,100 --> 01:33:54,100
problem. But just because we

3156
01:33:54,100 --> 01:33:56,100
don't have that problem and

3157
01:33:56,100 --> 01:33:58,100
haven't had that problem.

3158
01:33:58,100 --> 01:33:59,100
That's why I've never come and

3159
01:33:59,100 --> 01:34:01,100
asked you that.

3160
01:34:01,100 --> 01:34:03,100
But because it was brought up,

3161
01:34:03,100 --> 01:34:05,100
sure. That'd be kind of nice

3162
01:34:05,100 --> 01:34:06,100
to be able to just say, listen,

3163
01:34:06,100 --> 01:34:07,100
because right now,

3164
01:34:07,100 --> 01:34:09,100
if there's a problem,

3165
01:34:09,100 --> 01:34:11,100
it's either knock it

3166
01:34:11,100 --> 01:34:14,100
off or you're going to get

3167
01:34:14,100 --> 01:34:15,100
arrested or knock it off,

3168
01:34:15,100 --> 01:34:16,100
you're going to get a ticket.

3169
01:34:16,100 --> 01:34:17,100
It's always easier if we can

3170
01:34:17,100 --> 01:34:19,100
just do that.

3171
01:34:19,100 --> 01:34:20,100
But that's just. If you feel

3172
01:34:20,100 --> 01:34:21,100
like you want

3173
01:34:21,100 --> 01:34:22,100
to go there and get there,

3174
01:34:22,100 --> 01:34:24,100
fine. If not, it's been

3175
01:34:24,100 --> 01:34:25,100
like this for the 38 years I've

3176
01:34:25,100 --> 01:34:27,100
been here,

3177
01:34:27,100 --> 01:34:30,100
and it's not a problem.

3178
01:34:30,100 --> 01:34:31,100
>> And what I was trying

3179
01:34:31,100 --> 01:34:32,100
to say, perhaps, and artfully,

3180
01:34:32,100 --> 01:34:33,100
is that there's not going

3181
01:34:33,100 --> 01:34:35,100
to be a majority

3182
01:34:35,100 --> 01:34:36,100
to move totally away from this.

3183
01:34:36,100 --> 01:34:38,100
I would view that as an

3184
01:34:38,100 --> 01:34:39,100
improvement because you don't

3185
01:34:39,100 --> 01:34:41,100
have people who are becoming a

3186
01:34:41,100 --> 01:34:43,100
criminal over behavior that I

3187
01:34:43,100 --> 01:34:45,401
don't think is harmful.

3188
01:34:46,100 --> 01:34:47,100
>> Okay.

3189
01:34:47,100 --> 01:34:48,100
>> And, I mean, I'm okay

3190
01:34:48,100 --> 01:34:49,100
with that,

3191
01:34:49,100 --> 01:34:50,100
with what you just said,

3192
01:34:50,100 --> 01:34:51,100
more or less. If the penalties

3193
01:34:51,100 --> 01:34:53,100
were basically the same that we

3194
01:34:53,100 --> 01:34:55,100
just said. I mean. Well, the

3195
01:34:55,100 --> 01:34:57,100
only thing I would say is that

3196
01:34:57,100 --> 01:34:58,100
we do need to add, you know,

3197
01:34:58,100 --> 01:34:59,100
DeSoto, Cateno park and the

3198
01:34:59,100 --> 01:35:01,100
sports park to our list

3199
01:35:01,100 --> 01:35:04,100
of places where you need,

3200
01:35:05,100 --> 01:35:07,401
what do you call.

3201
01:35:09,100 --> 01:35:10,100
>> It, like a permit or a

3202
01:35:10,100 --> 01:35:11,100
waiver?

3203
01:35:11,100 --> 01:35:13,100
>> Permits. Right.

3204
01:35:13,100 --> 01:35:14,100
>> So currently, right now,

3205
01:35:14,100 --> 01:35:15,100
you cannot have alcohol

3206
01:35:15,100 --> 01:35:17,100
at those parks, even if you did

3207
01:35:17,100 --> 01:35:19,100
have a special event permit.

3208
01:35:19,100 --> 01:35:21,100
>> So, I would say you have

3209
01:35:21,100 --> 01:35:22,100
to add those, number one.

3210
01:35:22,100 --> 01:35:24,100
But then I have a question.

3211
01:35:24,100 --> 01:35:27,100
How about Sherwood Avenue on

3212
01:35:28,100 --> 01:35:29,100
Halloween? Because nobody gets

3213
01:35:29,100 --> 01:35:31,100
a permit and most

3214
01:35:31,100 --> 01:35:32,100
of us are walking around

3215
01:35:32,100 --> 01:35:34,100
with alcohol, especially

3216
01:35:34,100 --> 01:35:36,100
after a certain point in the

3217
01:35:36,100 --> 01:35:37,100
night where the little kids

3218
01:35:37,100 --> 01:35:39,100
have gone.

3219
01:35:39,100 --> 01:35:40,100
>> I was really hoping nobody

3220
01:35:40,100 --> 01:35:41,100
was going to ask that question.

3221
01:35:41,100 --> 01:35:43,100
>> I lived there.

3222
01:35:45,100 --> 01:35:46,100
>> I was just really hoping you

3223
01:35:46,100 --> 01:35:48,401
weren't asking that question.

3224
01:35:50,100 --> 01:35:51,100
>> Absolutely. I'm going

3225
01:35:51,100 --> 01:35:52,100
to answer that question.

3226
01:35:52,100 --> 01:35:53,100
But I just. I was kind of

3227
01:35:53,100 --> 01:35:54,100
raising my hand because I

3228
01:35:54,100 --> 01:35:56,100
wanted to add that should you

3229
01:35:56,100 --> 01:35:59,100
all choose to do that,

3230
01:35:59,100 --> 01:36:00,100
I just wanted to confirm,

3231
01:36:00,100 --> 01:36:01,100
because we were talking about

3232
01:36:01,100 --> 01:36:03,100
other law violations that

3233
01:36:03,100 --> 01:36:04,100
generally would be associated

3234
01:36:04,100 --> 01:36:06,100
with that. And we have all

3235
01:36:06,100 --> 01:36:07,100
of those. We have disorderly

3236
01:36:07,100 --> 01:36:08,100
intoxication. We have all

3237
01:36:08,100 --> 01:36:09,100
of that stuff

3238
01:36:09,100 --> 01:36:11,100
to be covered if it ever rose

3239
01:36:11,100 --> 01:36:13,100
to a level that a ticket wasn't

3240
01:36:13,100 --> 01:36:15,100
good enough. So, we're covered.

3241
01:36:15,100 --> 01:36:16,100
Whether you implement citations

3242
01:36:16,100 --> 01:36:17,100
or not, we're covered. The

3243
01:36:17,100 --> 01:36:20,100
answer to the question is

3244
01:36:21,100 --> 01:36:23,100
pretty simple. It's blocked

3245
01:36:23,100 --> 01:36:25,401
off. Traffic's not allowed

3246
01:36:26,100 --> 01:36:28,100
to go through there. And as

3247
01:36:28,100 --> 01:36:29,100
long as someone doesn't give us

3248
01:36:29,100 --> 01:36:32,100
a reason to go look

3249
01:36:33,100 --> 01:36:34,100
in their direction, then we

3250
01:36:34,100 --> 01:36:36,100
just keep everybody

3251
01:36:36,100 --> 01:36:38,100
coordinated. And we. Now, if

3252
01:36:38,100 --> 01:36:39,100
they're walking

3253
01:36:39,100 --> 01:36:40,100
down the street with a bottle

3254
01:36:40,100 --> 01:36:42,100
of the bottle, then we.

3255
01:36:42,100 --> 01:36:43,100
Because now we don't have a

3256
01:36:43,100 --> 01:36:44,100
choice. Now you're standing

3257
01:36:44,100 --> 01:36:45,100
in front

3258
01:36:45,100 --> 01:36:46,100
of me committing a violation.

3259
01:36:46,100 --> 01:36:47,100
So, I have to say you have

3260
01:36:47,100 --> 01:36:48,100
to pour that

3261
01:36:48,100 --> 01:36:49,100
out or get rid.

3262
01:36:49,100 --> 01:36:51,100
>> Of it or whatever. Why is a

3263
01:36:51,100 --> 01:36:52,100
bottle different than a can,

3264
01:36:52,100 --> 01:36:53,100
though? Is there actually a law

3265
01:36:53,100 --> 01:36:54,100
that says glass?

3266
01:36:54,100 --> 01:36:55,100
>> No, no,

3267
01:36:55,100 --> 01:36:57,100
sir. I just use that term.

3268
01:36:57,100 --> 01:36:59,100
>> But, well,

3269
01:36:59,100 --> 01:37:00,100
because it matters.

3270
01:37:00,100 --> 01:37:02,100
>> Alcohol.

3271
01:37:02,100 --> 01:37:03,100
>> No, it does.

3272
01:37:03,100 --> 01:37:04,100
>> I agree. But I just meant

3273
01:37:04,100 --> 01:37:05,100
for our purposes,

3274
01:37:05,100 --> 01:37:06,100
if it's a can

3275
01:37:06,100 --> 01:37:07,100
of beer or a bottle

3276
01:37:07,100 --> 01:37:08,100
of vodka or whatever. It's

3277
01:37:08,100 --> 01:37:09,100
just. If you. If it's. If it's

3278
01:37:09,100 --> 01:37:10,100
in my face,

3279
01:37:10,100 --> 01:37:11,100
I don't have a choice. I have

3280
01:37:11,100 --> 01:37:13,100
to say, you have.

3281
01:37:13,100 --> 01:37:15,100
>> You can't throw that out

3282
01:37:15,100 --> 01:37:16,100
in public. But even a can that

3283
01:37:16,100 --> 01:37:17,100
can be identified as a

3284
01:37:17,100 --> 01:37:18,100
Budweiser can. Cause they're

3285
01:37:18,100 --> 01:37:19,100
pretty evident we're

3286
01:37:19,100 --> 01:37:20,100
against the law because we're

3287
01:37:20,100 --> 01:37:21,100
in the street.

3288
01:37:21,100 --> 01:37:23,100
>> That's correct. That's

3289
01:37:24,100 --> 01:37:27,100
absolutely correct. If you are

3290
01:37:27,100 --> 01:37:28,100
walking.

3291
01:37:28,100 --> 01:37:30,401
>> Yeah, I'm not cool

3292
01:37:33,100 --> 01:37:34,100
with that.

3293
01:37:34,100 --> 01:37:35,100
>> That's kind of my concern.

3294
01:37:35,100 --> 01:37:36,100
It's like, that's.

3295
01:37:36,100 --> 01:37:37,100
>> So, you keep kicking

3296
01:37:37,100 --> 01:37:38,100
over stones. We can be here

3297
01:37:38,100 --> 01:37:39,100
all-night kicking

3298
01:37:39,100 --> 01:37:40,100
over stones. Because all that

3299
01:37:40,100 --> 01:37:41,100
stuff exists

3300
01:37:41,100 --> 01:37:42,100
in the real world. We're using

3301
01:37:42,100 --> 01:37:43,100
practical experience to try to

3302
01:37:43,100 --> 01:37:44,100
assure that everybody walks

3303
01:37:44,100 --> 01:37:45,100
home safe at the end

3304
01:37:45,100 --> 01:37:46,100
of the day. What I like

3305
01:37:46,100 --> 01:37:47,100
to make sure we don't do

3306
01:37:47,100 --> 01:37:50,100
from our vantage point is,

3307
01:37:50,100 --> 01:37:51,100
is we talked

3308
01:37:51,100 --> 01:37:52,100
about instilling levels

3309
01:37:52,100 --> 01:37:54,100
of fines for something that

3310
01:37:54,100 --> 01:37:56,100
may be not needed there. What I

3311
01:37:56,100 --> 01:37:59,601
heard is that we're using this

3312
01:38:00,100 --> 01:38:02,100
ordinance. No alcohol,

3313
01:38:02,100 --> 01:38:05,601
as a tool to regulate something

3314
01:38:07,100 --> 01:38:10,100
that could expand the fisherman

3315
01:38:10,100 --> 01:38:12,100
as the example or anybody

3316
01:38:12,100 --> 01:38:14,100
walking on the street,

3317
01:38:14,100 --> 01:38:16,100
when you go up

3318
01:38:16,100 --> 01:38:17,100
to them and you say, hey,

3319
01:38:17,100 --> 01:38:18,100
you better go home. You can't

3320
01:38:18,100 --> 01:38:20,100
have this, or you dump it out.

3321
01:38:20,100 --> 01:38:22,100
I would think everybody goes,

3322
01:38:22,100 --> 01:38:23,100
oh, I'm sorry,

3323
01:38:23,100 --> 01:38:25,100
it's gone. I'm going home.

3324
01:38:25,100 --> 01:38:27,100
>> That works.

3325
01:38:28,100 --> 01:38:30,100
well, only those that are

3326
01:38:30,100 --> 01:38:31,100
throwing cans back at the

3327
01:38:31,100 --> 01:38:33,100
officer is when you're going

3328
01:38:33,100 --> 01:38:35,100
to escalate it

3329
01:38:35,100 --> 01:38:36,100
for the most part. And that's

3330
01:38:36,100 --> 01:38:37,100
when you want the civil

3331
01:38:37,100 --> 01:38:38,100
(INAUDIBLE). I mean,

3332
01:38:38,100 --> 01:38:39,100
you want.

3333
01:38:39,100 --> 01:38:40,100
>> That'd be assault.

3334
01:38:40,100 --> 01:38:41,100
>> Well, yeah,

3335
01:38:41,100 --> 01:38:42,100
but I guess what I'm getting

3336
01:38:42,100 --> 01:38:43,100
at is that's when you want

3337
01:38:43,100 --> 01:38:44,100
to turn the heat up. So, I

3338
01:38:44,100 --> 01:38:45,100
don't know if we need any

3339
01:38:45,100 --> 01:38:47,100
median ground. I don't know if

3340
01:38:47,100 --> 01:38:48,100
we need a 50, 100 and 250 fine.

3341
01:38:48,100 --> 01:38:50,100
Unless the chief Comes back

3342
01:38:50,100 --> 01:38:51,100
at a later time, says, hey, we

3343
01:38:51,100 --> 01:38:52,100
start, we need this now because

3344
01:38:52,100 --> 01:38:53,100
we got people that are

3345
01:38:53,100 --> 01:38:55,401
in the middle grounds.

3346
01:38:57,100 --> 01:38:59,100
>> Two things,

3347
01:38:59,100 --> 01:39:00,100
if you don't mind. I just want

3348
01:39:00,100 --> 01:39:01,100
to make it clear because I just

3349
01:39:01,100 --> 01:39:03,100
don't want there to be any

3350
01:39:03,100 --> 01:39:05,100
misconceptions. I'm not saying

3351
01:39:05,100 --> 01:39:08,100
that we condone or that we

3352
01:39:08,100 --> 01:39:10,100
allow intentionally anybody to

3353
01:39:10,100 --> 01:39:12,100
violate our law or the law or

3354
01:39:12,100 --> 01:39:14,100
our city ordinance on

3355
01:39:14,100 --> 01:39:16,100
Sherwood Avenue on Halloween.

3356
01:39:16,100 --> 01:39:18,100
All I'm saying is if you don't

3357
01:39:18,100 --> 01:39:20,100
give me. If there's two people

3358
01:39:20,100 --> 01:39:21,100
walking down the street and

3359
01:39:21,100 --> 01:39:23,100
they each are holding a solo

3360
01:39:23,100 --> 01:39:24,100
cup and their little kid in

3361
01:39:24,100 --> 01:39:25,100
costume and they don't give me

3362
01:39:25,100 --> 01:39:27,100
a reason to go, what's

3363
01:39:27,100 --> 01:39:28,100
in your solo cup? Then I assume

3364
01:39:28,100 --> 01:39:30,100
the assumption on our part is

3365
01:39:30,100 --> 01:39:31,100
we have intelligent, well

3366
01:39:31,100 --> 01:39:33,100
educated people here and they

3367
01:39:33,100 --> 01:39:34,100
know what's right and what's

3368
01:39:34,100 --> 01:39:36,100
not, and we assume that they're

3369
01:39:36,100 --> 01:39:37,100
following the law unless they

3370
01:39:37,100 --> 01:39:39,100
give us visual evidence

3371
01:39:39,100 --> 01:39:41,100
to believe otherwise. So, I

3372
01:39:41,100 --> 01:39:42,100
just didn't want you

3373
01:39:42,100 --> 01:39:44,100
to think that.

3374
01:39:44,100 --> 01:39:45,100
>> No, I didn't.

3375
01:39:45,100 --> 01:39:46,100
>> You're good.

3376
01:39:46,100 --> 01:39:47,100
>> Okay.

3377
01:39:47,100 --> 01:39:48,100
>> Yeah.

3378
01:39:48,100 --> 01:39:49,100
>> You're good.

3379
01:39:49,100 --> 01:39:50,100
>> It's important to me

3380
01:39:50,100 --> 01:39:51,100
for you to think. Well, wait a

3381
01:39:51,100 --> 01:39:52,100
minute. So, you just choose

3382
01:39:52,100 --> 01:39:53,100
to pick? No, we're not thinking

3383
01:39:53,100 --> 01:39:55,100
of choosing. It's just if you

3384
01:39:55,100 --> 01:39:56,100
don't give me a reason

3385
01:39:56,100 --> 01:39:57,100
to look, then I'm not going

3386
01:39:57,100 --> 01:39:58,100
to look.

3387
01:39:58,100 --> 01:39:59,100
>> Can I ask, Jitter, are you

3388
01:39:59,100 --> 01:40:00,100
good with going

3389
01:40:00,100 --> 01:40:02,100
to a civil penalty us to a

3390
01:40:02,100 --> 01:40:03,100
misdemeanor?

3391
01:40:03,100 --> 01:40:04,100
>> I was asking kind

3392
01:40:04,100 --> 01:40:05,100
of what your preference is

3393
01:40:05,100 --> 01:40:06,100
on that. If you were good as

3394
01:40:06,100 --> 01:40:08,100
the ordinance is written or

3395
01:40:08,100 --> 01:40:09,100
at this time, if we are going

3396
01:40:09,100 --> 01:40:10,100
to make any change, if that

3397
01:40:10,100 --> 01:40:12,100
would be something that would

3398
01:40:12,100 --> 01:40:13,100
be beneficial

3399
01:40:13,100 --> 01:40:16,100
to you and your department.

3400
01:40:16,100 --> 01:40:17,100
>> Again, we. We really. We

3401
01:40:17,100 --> 01:40:18,100
don't have a problem, Knock

3402
01:40:18,100 --> 01:40:20,100
on wood. So, I've never had

3403
01:40:20,100 --> 01:40:22,100
to even ever worry about it.

3404
01:40:22,100 --> 01:40:24,100
Only because we're talking

3405
01:40:24,100 --> 01:40:26,100
about it. I'm sitting here and

3406
01:40:26,100 --> 01:40:27,100
you ask me that, then the

3407
01:40:27,100 --> 01:40:28,100
answer truly is certainly if

3408
01:40:28,100 --> 01:40:30,401
there's another avenue rather

3409
01:40:31,100 --> 01:40:33,100
than going from 0 to 100.

3410
01:40:33,100 --> 01:40:34,100
Sure, that's fine. That's

3411
01:40:34,100 --> 01:40:36,100
better. If it doesn't pass,

3412
01:40:36,100 --> 01:40:38,100
is it going to ruin my night?

3413
01:40:38,100 --> 01:40:40,100
No, because we just. We have

3414
01:40:40,100 --> 01:40:43,601
just a good community who just

3415
01:40:44,100 --> 01:40:45,100
does the right thing 90%

3416
01:40:45,100 --> 01:40:46,100
of the time. Most

3417
01:40:46,100 --> 01:40:47,100
of the problems we have, folks,

3418
01:40:47,100 --> 01:40:48,100
are not even our people

3419
01:40:48,100 --> 01:40:49,100
in our own city. It's people

3420
01:40:49,100 --> 01:40:50,100
that come from other places.

3421
01:40:50,100 --> 01:40:51,100
Our community's engaged,

3422
01:40:51,100 --> 01:40:52,100
they're intelligent,

3423
01:40:52,100 --> 01:40:53,100
and they do the right thing 98%

3424
01:40:53,100 --> 01:40:54,100
of the time. So thankfully,

3425
01:40:54,100 --> 01:40:56,100
I've never had

3426
01:40:56,100 --> 01:40:57,100
to come ask the boss to say,

3427
01:40:57,100 --> 01:40:58,100
can I come talk to the council

3428
01:40:58,100 --> 01:41:01,100
to create some of These

3429
01:41:01,100 --> 01:41:02,100
restrictions or penalties or

3430
01:41:02,100 --> 01:41:03,100
whatever, because we just don't

3431
01:41:03,100 --> 01:41:06,100
need them as of right now.

3432
01:41:06,100 --> 01:41:08,100
>> But can you bring back model

3433
01:41:08,100 --> 01:41:09,100
language? Would that change

3434
01:41:09,100 --> 01:41:10,100
when we bring the smoking ban

3435
01:41:10,100 --> 01:41:12,100
back?

3436
01:41:12,100 --> 01:41:14,100
>> Yeah, we can bring back the

3437
01:41:14,100 --> 01:41:15,100
ordinance for the alcohol

3438
01:41:15,100 --> 01:41:17,100
to have that. The citation,

3439
01:41:17,100 --> 01:41:18,100
added citation,

3440
01:41:18,100 --> 01:41:20,100
and then educate consensus. If

3441
01:41:20,100 --> 01:41:22,100
you want me to add in

3442
01:41:22,100 --> 01:41:23,100
Frankatino park and the sports

3443
01:41:23,100 --> 01:41:24,100
park to be able

3444
01:41:24,100 --> 01:41:25,100
to have alcohol

3445
01:41:25,100 --> 01:41:27,100
on special events.

3446
01:41:30,100 --> 01:41:31,100
>> I would like that.

3447
01:41:31,100 --> 01:41:32,100
And the only reason I say that

3448
01:41:32,100 --> 01:41:33,100
is because we don't have the

3449
01:41:33,100 --> 01:41:35,100
open space like we used

3450
01:41:35,100 --> 01:41:36,100
to next to the rec center. So

3451
01:41:36,100 --> 01:41:37,100
we are moving some things to

3452
01:41:37,100 --> 01:41:38,100
DeSoto Field these days. I

3453
01:41:38,100 --> 01:41:39,100
could see us having an event

3454
01:41:39,100 --> 01:41:40,100
there

3455
01:41:40,100 --> 01:41:42,100
for some reason or other,

3456
01:41:42,100 --> 01:41:43,100
and we shouldn't.

3457
01:41:43,100 --> 01:41:45,100
>> Like the chief's retirement

3458
01:41:45,100 --> 01:41:47,100
party or something.

3459
01:41:47,100 --> 01:41:48,100
>> There you go.

3460
01:41:48,100 --> 01:41:50,100
>> No, but I'm serious. I think

3461
01:41:50,100 --> 01:41:51,100
it's. Yeah, I agree.

3462
01:41:51,100 --> 01:41:52,100
>> Yes, I agree. I mean,

3463
01:41:52,100 --> 01:41:53,100
I guess. Yeah, I think that

3464
01:41:53,100 --> 01:41:54,100
was. I think you brought those.

3465
01:41:54,100 --> 01:41:55,100
Those points about. And I think

3466
01:41:55,100 --> 01:41:56,100
you're right. We should include

3467
01:41:56,100 --> 01:41:57,100
them. They should be included

3468
01:41:57,100 --> 01:41:58,100
like the rest.

3469
01:41:58,100 --> 01:42:00,100
>> Do you want it

3470
01:42:00,100 --> 01:42:03,601
to just be all city facilities?

3471
01:42:11,100 --> 01:42:12,100
As long as we have a special

3472
01:42:12,100 --> 01:42:13,100
event permit,

3473
01:42:13,100 --> 01:42:14,100
I would not mind that.

3474
01:42:14,100 --> 01:42:15,100
>> That flexibility piece

3475
01:42:15,100 --> 01:42:16,100
in there.

3476
01:42:16,100 --> 01:42:17,100
>> Yeah, I'm okay

3477
01:42:17,100 --> 01:42:18,100
with that.

3478
01:42:18,100 --> 01:42:19,100
>> All right, then we will be

3479
01:42:19,100 --> 01:42:20,100
happy to draft it and bring it

3480
01:42:20,100 --> 01:42:21,100
to the next council meeting.

3481
01:42:21,100 --> 01:42:23,100
>> Parting words.

3482
01:42:23,100 --> 01:42:25,100
>> Just if that's where you're

3483
01:42:25,100 --> 01:42:27,100
going to go. I like that.

3484
01:42:27,100 --> 01:42:29,100
Because when someone applies

3485
01:42:29,100 --> 01:42:30,100
for a permit, we all have

3486
01:42:30,100 --> 01:42:31,100
to look at it. So, I know

3487
01:42:31,100 --> 01:42:32,100
what's going to happen,

3488
01:42:32,100 --> 01:42:33,100
what's going to happen,

3489
01:42:33,100 --> 01:42:35,100
when it's going to happen,

3490
01:42:35,100 --> 01:42:37,100
how many people are expected.

3491
01:42:37,100 --> 01:42:38,100
So, if you're going to go

3492
01:42:38,100 --> 01:42:39,100
in that direction, it does make

3493
01:42:39,100 --> 01:42:40,100
it a whole lot easier for us

3494
01:42:40,100 --> 01:42:41,100
to be prepared for it,

3495
01:42:41,100 --> 01:42:42,100
as opposed to just saying,

3496
01:42:42,100 --> 01:42:43,100
okay, we're opening up

3497
01:42:43,100 --> 01:42:44,100
to the whole city.

3498
01:42:44,100 --> 01:42:45,100
>> Not that I care if you did

3499
01:42:45,100 --> 01:42:47,100
that. I really don't.

3500
01:42:47,100 --> 01:42:49,100
But that if. If you were

3501
01:42:49,100 --> 01:42:50,100
to ask my opinion, I think that

3502
01:42:50,100 --> 01:42:51,100
that would be good. Special

3503
01:42:51,100 --> 01:42:52,100
activity permit. And you want

3504
01:42:52,100 --> 01:42:54,100
to have that, fine. Because we

3505
01:42:54,100 --> 01:42:56,401
already deal with that.

3506
01:42:58,100 --> 01:43:01,100
>> So. Like it. All right. We

3507
01:43:01,100 --> 01:43:04,601
all good with that one? Moving

3508
01:43:07,100 --> 01:43:08,100
on to agenda item 13.

3509
01:43:08,100 --> 01:43:09,100
Discuss. Take action on

3510
01:43:09,100 --> 01:43:11,100
Resolution 1072.

3511
01:43:12,100 --> 01:43:14,100
>> This one was pulled.

3512
01:43:14,100 --> 01:43:16,100
>> Oh, that's right. My bad.

3513
01:43:16,100 --> 01:43:18,100
Forgot that.

3514
01:43:18,100 --> 01:43:19,100
>> We'll come back to you

3515
01:43:19,100 --> 01:43:21,100
at a later date.

3516
01:43:21,100 --> 01:43:23,100
>> Okay, we're going to move

3517
01:43:23,100 --> 01:43:25,100
on to agenda item 14, which.

3518
01:43:25,100 --> 01:43:27,100
Which is a public hearing.

3519
01:43:27,100 --> 01:43:28,100
Discuss. Take action on

3520
01:43:28,100 --> 01:43:30,100
Ordinance 1270. Jim?

3521
01:43:35,100 --> 01:43:36,100
>> Ordinance number 1270, an

3522
01:43:36,100 --> 01:43:37,100
ordinance of the city of

3523
01:43:37,100 --> 01:43:39,100
Satellite Beach, Brevard

3524
01:43:39,100 --> 01:43:40,100
County, Florida, amending the

3525
01:43:40,100 --> 01:43:42,100
fiscal year 2024, 2025 budget,

3526
01:43:43,100 --> 01:43:44,100
ordinance number 1257,

3527
01:43:44,100 --> 01:43:46,401
providing an effective date.

3528
01:43:47,100 --> 01:43:48,100
This is the second reading

3529
01:43:48,100 --> 01:43:50,100
of ordinance number 1270.

3530
01:43:53,100 --> 01:43:54,100
>> There are no changes.

3531
01:43:54,100 --> 01:43:55,100
>> I was just going

3532
01:43:55,100 --> 01:43:57,100
to say no changes

3533
01:43:57,100 --> 01:43:58,100
since the first reading. Does

3534
01:43:58,100 --> 01:43:59,100
anybody have any questions

3535
01:43:59,100 --> 01:44:00,100
on this?

3536
01:44:00,100 --> 01:44:01,100
Since nothing's changed. My.

3537
01:44:01,100 --> 01:44:04,100
My questions got cleared up. I

3538
01:44:04,100 --> 01:44:05,100
don't understand parentheses. I

3539
01:44:05,100 --> 01:44:07,100
like plus minus.

3540
01:44:07,100 --> 01:44:09,100
>> It's weird.

3541
01:44:09,100 --> 01:44:10,100
>> It's hard for me

3542
01:44:10,100 --> 01:44:11,100
to understand. It's an

3543
01:44:11,100 --> 01:44:12,100
accounting thing,

3544
01:44:12,100 --> 01:44:13,100
I'm sure.

3545
01:44:13,100 --> 01:44:14,100
>> Right?

3546
01:44:14,100 --> 01:44:15,100
>> It is. That's what I was

3547
01:44:15,100 --> 01:44:16,100
told. I know. To me. To me. I

3548
01:44:16,100 --> 01:44:18,100
like red numbers because its

3549
01:44:18,100 --> 01:44:20,100
kind of spelled it spells it

3550
01:44:20,100 --> 01:44:21,100
out for me. I understand red

3551
01:44:21,100 --> 01:44:22,100
numbers, but it's in black and

3552
01:44:22,100 --> 01:44:24,100
white. I know. I get you. All

3553
01:44:24,100 --> 01:44:25,100
right. I will open up agenda

3554
01:44:25,100 --> 01:44:27,401
item 14 for citizens comment.

3555
01:44:28,100 --> 01:44:31,100
If anybody chooses to comment

3556
01:44:31,100 --> 01:44:33,100
on this second reading hearing.

3557
01:44:33,100 --> 01:44:36,601
None. I'll bring it back up

3558
01:44:38,100 --> 01:44:40,401
here. Nothing further. I'll

3559
01:44:41,100 --> 01:44:42,100
entertain a motion to accept

3560
01:44:42,100 --> 01:44:44,100
this.

3561
01:44:44,100 --> 01:44:45,100
>> I'll make a motion to adopt

3562
01:44:45,100 --> 01:44:47,100
ordinance number 1270

3563
01:44:47,100 --> 01:44:49,100
on second reading.

3564
01:44:51,100 --> 01:44:53,100
>> Second.

3565
01:44:53,100 --> 01:44:56,100
>> Okay, I'll move second. Any

3566
01:44:56,100 --> 01:44:57,100
further?

3567
01:44:57,100 --> 01:44:59,100
>> [ CALLING ROLL]

3568
01:45:03,100 --> 01:45:05,100
>> And that passes. And

3569
01:45:05,100 --> 01:45:07,401
we'll close that public

3570
01:45:13,100 --> 01:45:14,100
hearing. We don't need

3571
01:45:14,100 --> 01:45:15,100
to do the 1073. We took care

3572
01:45:15,100 --> 01:45:16,100
of that. Right. And so,

3573
01:45:16,100 --> 01:45:18,100
agenda items

3574
01:45:18,100 --> 01:45:21,100
for the next meeting. Well,

3575
01:45:22,100 --> 01:45:23,100
for the good of the order,

3576
01:45:23,100 --> 01:45:25,100
I have to say I will not be

3577
01:45:25,100 --> 01:45:27,100
at the meeting in two weeks. I

3578
01:45:27,100 --> 01:45:28,100
know you're so disappointed,

3579
01:45:28,100 --> 01:45:29,100
man.

3580
01:45:29,100 --> 01:45:30,100
>> I know.

3581
01:45:30,100 --> 01:45:32,100
>> Really?

3582
01:45:32,100 --> 01:45:33,100
>> Yeah. I'll tell you why I'm

3583
01:45:33,100 --> 01:45:34,100
disappointed after this,

3584
01:45:34,100 --> 01:45:35,100
but.

3585
01:45:35,100 --> 01:45:37,100
>> All right.

3586
01:45:37,100 --> 01:45:38,100
>> Beside the point. Brittany

3587
01:45:38,100 --> 01:45:39,100
areas I already talked

3588
01:45:39,100 --> 01:45:41,100
about that week,

3589
01:45:41,100 --> 01:45:42,100
so everybody sees those that

3590
01:45:42,100 --> 01:45:43,100
are in there. If there's

3591
01:45:43,100 --> 01:45:44,100
anything you would like

3592
01:45:44,100 --> 01:45:45,100
to add, take away, have

3593
01:45:45,100 --> 01:45:47,100
questions, please get

3594
01:45:48,100 --> 01:45:49,100
with staff on that. And that

3595
01:45:49,100 --> 01:45:51,100
meeting is June 18th at 6pm if

3596
01:45:51,100 --> 01:45:53,100
there's nothing further, if

3597
01:45:53,100 --> 01:45:54,100
there's anything that is that's

3598
01:45:54,100 --> 01:45:56,401
going to come up,

3599
01:45:58,100 --> 01:46:01,100
next meeting that you're going

3600
01:46:01,100 --> 01:46:02,100
to miss, and I would assume if

3601
01:46:02,100 --> 01:46:04,100
it means a whole lot to you,

3602
01:46:04,100 --> 01:46:05,100
we can pull it and move it.

3603
01:46:05,100 --> 01:46:06,100
>> Yeah.

3604
01:46:06,100 --> 01:46:07,100
>> I don't want you excluded

3605
01:46:07,100 --> 01:46:08,100
from it.

3606
01:46:08,100 --> 01:46:09,100
>> I can call you

3607
01:46:09,100 --> 01:46:10,100
from my car if you'd like.

3608
01:46:10,100 --> 01:46:11,100
Well, I just want.

3609
01:46:11,100 --> 01:46:12,100
>> I don't want you excluded

3610
01:46:12,100 --> 01:46:13,100
for something that you.

3611
01:46:13,100 --> 01:46:14,100
>> Yeah, that's why I say if

3612
01:46:14,100 --> 01:46:15,100
you do it, just get with staff

3613
01:46:15,100 --> 01:46:17,100
and you can mention it. I am

3614
01:46:17,100 --> 01:46:19,100
sure if you feel strongly,

3615
01:46:19,100 --> 01:46:20,100
something like that, until

3616
01:46:20,100 --> 01:46:21,100
Brittany, she'd be more than

3617
01:46:21,100 --> 01:46:22,100
happy to take it

3618
01:46:22,100 --> 01:46:23,100
off the agenda and pull it

3619
01:46:23,100 --> 01:46:25,100
to the next time

3620
01:46:25,100 --> 01:46:26,100
without issue. I'll look

3621
01:46:26,100 --> 01:46:28,100
into it. I'll let you know in a

3622
01:46:28,100 --> 01:46:29,100
week. I appreciate that.

3623
01:46:29,100 --> 01:46:30,100
>> Thank you.

3624
01:46:30,100 --> 01:46:31,100
>> Okay.

3625
01:46:31,100 --> 01:46:32,100
>> Don't let me know.

3626
01:46:32,100 --> 01:46:34,100
>> There's nothing further.

3627
01:46:34,100 --> 01:46:35,100
>> Sorry.

3628
01:46:35,100 --> 01:46:36,100
>> May ask one question.

3629
01:46:36,100 --> 01:46:37,100
>> Sure.

3630
01:46:37,100 --> 01:46:39,100
>> Do we meet? June, July 2?

3631
01:46:39,100 --> 01:46:40,100
>> No, we do not.

3632
01:46:40,100 --> 01:46:41,100
>> You get, like,