[0:06] >> Good evening, everybody.
[0:07] We are here for the
[0:08] City Council Regular Meeting,
[0:09] June 4, 2025,
[0:11] approximately 6:00pm Will you
[0:13] please join Councilmember Sams
[0:14] in a moment of silence and the
[0:15] pledge please?
[0:25] >> Let's continue with the
[0:26] pledge.
[0:28] >> I pledge allegiance
[0:29] to the flag of the United
[0:30] States of America and to the
[0:32] Republic for which it stands,
[0:34] one nation, under God,
[0:36] indivisible,
[0:37] with liberty and justice
[0:38] for all.
[0:42] >> Thank you. Next up is the
[0:47] presentation of the Florida
[0:48] League of Cities 2025 Youth
[0:50] Council and Excellence Award
[0:52] to members of the Satellite
[0:59] Beach Youth Council.
[1:01] >> Perfect.
[1:02] >> Good evening, Mayor, members
[1:03] of the council, staff,
[1:04] citizens, and the members
[1:06] of the Satellite Beach Youth
[1:08] Council. My name is Erin
[1:10] Russell and I am the Member
[1:11] Services administrator
[1:12] from the Florida League of
[1:13] Cities, which is located in
[1:14] Tallahassee, Florida. And just
[1:16] for the audience members who
[1:18] may be unfamiliar with the
[1:19] Florida League of Cities, we
[1:21] have served as the united voice
[1:22] for Florida's 411 cities,
[1:25] towns and villages since 1922.
[1:27] And our mission has remained
[1:29] the same since our founding,
[1:33] which is to protect local
[1:34] decision making because we
[1:35] believe local decisions should
[1:36] be made by those who know their
[1:38] communities best. And so,
[1:39] I want to start
[1:40] by saying thank you
[1:42] to the city of Satellite beach
[1:43] for being a dedicated member
[1:44] of the Florida League of
[1:46] Cities. And I also want
[1:47] to give a shout out to your
[1:49] excellent staff who gave me a
[1:51] very warm welcome when I came
[1:54] to City hall this evening.
[1:56] So, it is my honor
[1:57] to be here this evening
[1:58] to present the Satellite
[2:00] Beach Youth Council with the
[2:03] Florida League of Cities 2025
[2:05] Youth Council Excellence
[2:07] Award. And for this contest,
[2:09] the league asked youth councils
[2:11] to submit an initiative that
[2:13] made significant contributions
[2:14] to their local municipality.
[2:16] And this is a statewide
[2:18] competition that is open
[2:20] to all youth councils in
[2:22] Florida. And only three
[2:24] projects were selected as
[2:25] winners. And the initiative
[2:27] that they submitted aimed
[2:30] to plant trees around the city
[2:32] while educating future
[2:33] generations
[2:35] about the importance of trees.
[2:37] Through innovative planning,
[2:41] collaboration and hard work,
[2:43] the youth Council accomplished
[2:44] its goals. Increasing youth
[2:46] engagement,
[2:47] educating the community
[2:48] about the environment,
[2:49] and helping Satellite beach
[2:51] increase its tree canopy and
[2:52] vegetation. This project not
[2:54] only beautified the community,
[2:55] but also served as a meaningful
[2:57] educational opportunity
[2:58] to engage residents
[3:00] to raise awareness and
[3:03] to lay the groundwork for long
[3:05] term environmental stewardship
[3:06] in Satellite Beach. So,
[3:08] in addition
[3:10] to the trophy that I'm here
[3:13] to present them this. Present
[3:15] them with this evening, the
[3:16] Youth council will also receive
[3:17] a check for $500 to help fund
[3:19] community projects and to
[3:20] continue their important work.
[3:22] So, if I can have the members
[3:24] of the youth council join me
[3:26] on behalf of the Florida
[3:28] League of Cities, I am honored
[3:35] to present you with the 2025
[3:36] Youth Council Excellence
[3:37] Award. Congratulations.
[3:38] [APPLAUSE]
[4:02] >> Awesome.
[4:03] [APPLAUSE]
[4:09] >> I will say that
[4:10] this is not an easy
[4:11] competition. There's a lot
[4:13] of youth council that put
[4:14] into it and there was a lot
[4:15] of worthwhile projects in it.
[4:17] So that you rose to the top
[4:18] of that is not an easy feat
[4:20] to do. So, congratulations.
[4:21] Well done on that. Again, it
[4:24] was well earned. Do that. And
[4:27] we appreciate what your project
[4:28] was. I think back a few years
[4:32] when we were still planting
[4:35] trees and taking trees out to
[4:36] Citizens house and stuff
[4:37] like that. It's important that
[4:38] we keep doing that. I think
[4:40] everybody thinks that's a
[4:41] worthwhile project and I think
[4:42] it's great that you guys took
[4:43] that on and spearhead that keep
[4:44] going that direction. So, thank
[4:46] you again for that.
[4:48] Congratulations on that. Well
[4:49] earned, well done.
[4:52] [APPLAUSE]
[4:59] All right,
[5:00] next is citizens comments.
[5:01] This is citizens comments
[5:03] on non-agenda items. If anybody
[5:05] cares
[5:06] to come up and speak.
[5:18] >> Hello. Hello. Lois Felder,
[5:20] Oceana. I just want
[5:22] to say I am delighted that all
[5:24] of your traffic control boxes
[5:31] have been paid for
[5:33] to be wrapped. I would just
[5:35] like to know how fast the
[5:37] wrapping will take place. Do we
[5:40] have any left? They should be
[5:41] done
[5:42] within the next three weeks.
[5:45] And then there's one left that
[5:46] still needs to be ordered,
[5:48] so it'll probably be closer to
[5:51] after a month or so. Perfect.
[5:53] Great. One other thing, and I
[6:03] don't know if somebody here
[6:04] would have the answer,
[6:06] but once upon a time,
[6:07] way back. When I asked to get a
[6:09] waste disposal garbage can, I
[6:14] guess, at the bus stop. That's
[6:16] right. Right by Oceana, because
[6:19] people were sitting
[6:20] on our little wall and right
[6:25] by the bus stop waiting
[6:28] for the bus. And just dropping
[6:29] all of their stuff. All
[6:30] over the place. And I
[6:32] photographed it and lo and
[6:33] behold, Public works put a
[6:35] trash can attached to the bus
[6:38] stop and actually picked up
[6:41] trash from time to time. It's
[6:44] gone. Why is it gone? Who knows
[6:53] where it went and who can put
[6:55] it back? Mystery.
[7:06] >> Citizens comments still open,
[7:09] please.
[7:22] >> Hey, good evening,
[7:24] everyone. Thank you, Mayor
[7:25] Osmer and city council members
[7:28] for giving us a few minutes
[7:30] to speak today. My name is
[7:31] Andrew Robineau, and I'm
[7:34] standing beside my wife
[7:35] Madison, and my parents, Tina
[7:36] and Dan Robineau. I'm really
[7:37] excited
[7:38] to share some awesome news
[7:39] with you all.
[7:40] Through the incredible support
[7:41] of our community, we raised
[7:42] $7,765 during this year's Tee
[7:43] it up for Maddie golf
[7:46] tournament. This is money that
[7:48] will go directly towards
[7:49] supporting Satellite beach
[7:51] youth athletics between the
[7:53] football and baseball programs.
[7:55] This Event means a lot
[8:01] to us as a family. Not just
[8:02] because of what it raises,
[8:03] but because of who it honors.
[8:04] My brother, Matthew Robino, a
[8:06] young man who grew up right
[8:07] here, Beachside and was deeply
[8:08] involved in the variety
[8:10] of youth sports offered here.
[8:12] This tournament is all
[8:15] about keeping Matthew's spirit
[8:17] and legacy alive by supporting
[8:18] the various areas that he
[8:19] loved,
[8:20] including youth athletics.
[8:23] With this money raised,
[8:24] we're able to fund the new
[8:25] scoreboard just south
[8:26] of us here at Hedgcock Field
[8:27] and provided some relief
[8:28] to the Beachside Little League
[8:30] after some unforeseen damage
[8:32] that occurred
[8:37] to the scoreboard. We're also
[8:39] donating a portion
[8:40] of the funds to the Satellite
[8:42] Beach Youth Football and Cheer
[8:44] association to help
[8:45] with some equipment upgrades
[8:46] for this upcoming season. So,
[8:47] looking ahead, we're hoping to
[8:49] take that tribute even further
[8:50] for Matthew. One
[8:51] of our goals is
[8:52] to eventually have the DeSoto
[8:53] baseball field named in
[8:54] Matthew's honor and assist
[8:56] in a scoreboard commemoration
[8:57] for him, similar
[8:59] to what we have for Zach
[9:00] Seeley
[9:01] with the football field there.
[9:02] For him and his family,
[9:04] this is a park that's special
[9:05] to our family and has many fond
[9:06] memories on the ball field.
[9:07] Together, we feel like this
[9:08] would complement the tribute
[9:10] bench that we have for Matthew
[9:11] along the sidewalk just north
[9:12] of the outfield fence.
[9:17] Ultimately, we'd like to
[9:18] continue partnering and raising
[9:20] money through the Tee it Up
[9:22] for Maddie golf tournament and
[9:24] then other events as well
[9:25] to assist with community
[9:26] enhancements and projects
[9:28] in the area. On behalf of my
[9:29] family and our friends and all
[9:31] those involved
[9:33] with the money that was raised
[9:35] for this event, thank you for
[9:36] this opportunity. I look
[9:38] forward to working
[9:39] with the city
[9:40] on areas that we can help
[9:41] in the future to continue
[9:43] making this town the best place
[9:44] to grow up and to live. God
[9:45] bless you all. Thank you.
[9:46] [APPLAUSE]
[10:20] >> Thank you very much.
[10:21] >> Thank you very much.
[10:22] >> Thank you so much
[10:32] for your community support. We
[10:33] really appreciate that. We
[10:34] really do.
[10:49] >> Thank you, citizens.
[10:50] Comment is still open if
[10:52] anybody else cares to comment
[10:54] on a non-agenda item hearing
[10:55] none. I'll bring it back up
[10:56] here. Next item is city council
[10:57] comments. I'll start
[10:58] with you. Oh, wow. So, I'll
[10:59] just want
[11:00] to reiterate the
[11:01] congratulations
[11:03] to the youth council and as
[11:05] well to the tee it up for
[11:06] Maddie. I have to admit,
[11:08] if I had known, I would have
[11:10] participated. I'm not a good
[11:11] golfer, but I can play. So just
[11:14] remember that next year.
[11:18] >> Thank you again.
[11:20] >> Thanks, Mike.
[11:22] >> Good afternoon, everyone. I
[11:24] attended the lunch and learn
[11:25] for the hurricane preparedness.
[11:27] That was fantastic. You know,
[11:29] part of our goals is
[11:30] to outreach and get citizens
[11:32] Involvement and we had. It was
[11:34] in this chamber because of the
[11:35] voting and I sat up front,
[11:36] but I think every seat
[11:37] behind me was full. We had a
[11:40] range of citizens here
[11:41] from I just moved in,
[11:42] I have no idea what to do or
[11:44] I've been here a lifetime and I
[11:46] still want to learn. So, I
[11:48] think that really is the
[11:49] essence of who we are as a
[11:51] society and who we are as a
[11:52] community
[11:54] with our leadership here. Fire
[11:57] department is represented,
[11:58] Police was represented. Alan
[12:00] Potter's here from Public
[12:02] Works. Everybody just did a
[12:04] great job rolling through that
[12:06] and getting the information
[12:08] out. Some
[12:09] of the information was,
[12:10] what's a shelter? What do you
[12:12] bring in the shelter? I have
[12:13] special needs, I have pets.
[12:15] And we worked
[12:16] through all that stuff. So, all
[12:17] those little things you don't
[12:19] think about until the day of,
[12:21] they brought it to the surface
[12:26] and that was really a big
[12:27] positive. And I think some
[12:29] of us,
[12:30] more than me attended the
[12:31] Edwin Hartman and Philip Flagg
[12:33] wreath laying ceremony last
[12:35] Friday. Chief Pearson did a
[12:36] fantastic job. Stellar,
[12:37] heartfelt ceremony of
[12:39] remembrance and that was really
[12:45] what this city is about also.
[12:46] So that's what I have.
[12:49] >> Thanks, Mike.
[12:51] >> I'll be brief. I want
[12:54] to couple comments on the
[12:55] Citizen comments. Thank you all
[12:57] to organizations supporting the
[12:58] city, doing something positive
[13:00] out there. And thank you very
[13:02] much. I want to thank Ms.
[13:03] Felder and hold her up as an
[13:05] example to anyone
[13:07] out there who's watching.
[13:10] Thank you for your stick
[13:12] to activeness and, you know,
[13:22] holding us accountable. And,
[13:23] you know, if you're
[13:24] out there, please come
[13:25] to meetings, share your ideas.
[13:26] Like her idea was a good one
[13:28] and it's gotten carried out.
[13:29] You know, yours may or may not
[13:30] be achievable, but we don't
[13:31] know unless you come and tell
[13:32] us. So, I hold her up as an
[13:33] example of someone who's come
[13:35] over and extend a period
[13:36] of time, you know, stated an
[13:37] idea and now it's happening.
[13:39] So, I commend you and I
[13:40] encourage others to come out
[13:43] here because there's no
[13:44] limitation on good ideas. And
[13:45] we don't know unless you tell
[13:46] us. The Youth Council.
[13:47] Congratulations to all of them
[13:48] for their hard work and thank
[13:50] you for coming down here from
[13:52] Tallahassee to honor them.
[13:54] Last thing I want to say,
[13:55] this came to me spontaneously
[13:56] as I was pulling in, but I saw
[13:58] a very relaxed citizen named
[14:00] David Abernathy riding his bike
[14:02] with his dog as I was pulling
[14:03] in here. And so,
[14:06] it's a pleasure to see Chief
[14:08] Dangler out there,
[14:11] but that brought a smile
[14:13] to my face. So that's all I
[14:14] have.
[14:16] >> Thank you. We had a busy
[14:17] month of May
[14:19] since we last met. So, a couple
[14:20] of things. I just wanted
[14:21] to thank city staff
[14:23] for joining us at Surfside
[14:24] for bike to school day. We had
[14:26] city manager and police and
[14:27] fire there with us. That was a
[14:28] great way
[14:29] to start the morning. Thank you
[14:31] to everyone involved with all
[14:34] the graduation festivities,
[14:35] from hanging banners to helping
[14:37] run the parade and keep the
[14:39] kids safe during the parade.
[14:41] Thank you for allowing me
[14:43] to stand in your place
[14:44] at graduation.
[14:46] >> Represented us well.
[14:49] >> We, we were a little afraid
[14:51] that the weather was not going
[14:52] to cooperate and started a
[14:53] little late,
[15:05] but it was perfect. It was
[15:06] perfect. So. And again, the
[15:08] Hartman flag ceremony is a very
[15:09] special one in the city and I
[15:10] hope that continues. I'm glad
[15:11] that you continue
[15:12] to do that year after year and
[15:13] honor their memory and their
[15:14] service to our city. So, and
[15:15] again, of course
[15:16] to our youth council,
[15:17] Congratulations. Anna and
[15:18] Cassie and Linda, thank you for
[15:19] running that group and keeping
[15:20] it going strong. I look forward
[15:21] to seeing what they do again
[15:22] next year. And Erin, thank you
[15:23] for joining us as well. And the
[15:24] Robin O family, thank you for
[15:25] taking something really tough
[15:27] and sad and turning it
[15:28] into something really,
[15:29] really special
[15:30] to year golf tournament. Thank
[15:31] you.
[15:32] >> Can I hop on really quick?
[15:35] >> I was remiss
[15:43] in not mentioning thank you
[15:44] to all the public safety folks.
[15:45] As a Surfside parent, both my
[15:47] son and my wife commented
[15:48] on that and how awesome it was.
[15:49] Someone called my son out
[15:50] in a positive way
[15:51] for having his helmet
[15:52] on specifically and that
[15:53] like made his day. He came and
[15:54] told me, look,
[15:55] I got positive feedback.
[15:56] Feedback which he loves. So,
[15:57] thank you all
[15:58] for that.
[15:59] >> I am not going to add
[16:00] anything further. We'll just
[16:03] keep on moving along
[16:04] with this. Next up is city
[16:06] attorney's report.
[16:14] >> Jim, I have something this
[16:15] evening regarding the sale
[16:17] of the 15-foot strip
[16:19] around the property for Arctic
[16:20] rays. The title company is
[16:24] requiring a resolution instead
[16:29] of the motion that was
[16:31] previously approved. So, I have
[16:34] a resolution prepared. There's
[16:36] an additional item
[16:38] in here that we didn't discuss,
[16:39] which is paragraph three that
[16:41] talks about the waiver
[16:45] of mineral rights. So, they
[16:46] just want that specifically
[16:49] addressed. So that's been
[16:50] included in the resolution.
[16:51] But other than that, the
[16:53] resolution is essentially
[16:54] exactly the same as the.
[16:56] >> You couldn't get them
[16:58] to write over this, Jim?
[17:02] >> No, they wanted to. Well,
[17:03] originally, they wanted to
[17:05] include other stuff that
[17:06] applies to counties, you know,
[17:08] basically declaring surplus and
[17:09] all that kind of stuff. So,
[17:10] it's like this is,
[17:13] this is what they wanted. They
[17:16] also questioned whether or not
[17:17] the city manager can Sign the
[17:20] deed, which I'll have to deal
[17:21] with later. But unlike the
[17:23] county where the statute
[17:24] requires, there's a specific
[17:26] statutory form for counties,
[17:27] but there isn't one
[17:28] for cities. And the chair or
[17:29] vice chair has to sign any D
[17:30] to conveyance.
[17:32] But our charter is not.
[17:33] Doesn't say anything
[17:34] specifically about it, but it
[17:35] says that the mayor will sign
[17:37] it unless the charter or the
[17:38] city council directs otherwise.
[17:40] Which is what the motion did.
[17:42] It directed that the city
[17:43] manager can do it,
[17:44] but I'll resolve that later.
[17:47] The mayor may have to sign it.
[17:48] I don't know that. I'll deal
[17:50] with that. All right,
[17:52] that's it. We just need a
[17:55] motion
[17:56] to approve the resolution. I
[17:57] got to read it. Resolution
[18:01] number 1073, a resolution
[18:03] of the city of Satellite
[18:05] Beach, Brevard County,
[18:07] Florida, ratifying prior action
[18:09] of city council approving
[18:10] executive execution
[18:11] of and closing of sale with
[18:12] Arctic Rays LLC, waiving any
[18:14] mineral rights as provided in
[18:15] Section 270.11 Florida
[18:17] Statutes to the property
[18:18] to be conveyed to Arctic Rays
[18:20] LLC,
[18:21] providing an effective date.
[18:22] That's a reading
[18:23] of resolution number 1073.
[18:26] >> I'll make a motion
[18:27] to approve resolution number
[18:28] 1073 as presented.
[18:32] >> Second.
[18:35] >> I have a motion and a
[18:36] second. Is anybody else up
[18:37] here? Ready? So basically,
[18:39] it's the same thing. Same thing
[18:41] we discussed before.
[18:42] >> Yes.
[18:43] >> We're just putting it a
[18:44] resolution.
[18:45] >> Correct.
[18:46] >> May I ask a question, just
[18:48] out of curiosity? The part that
[18:50] had to be added
[18:51] in waiving any mineral rights,
[18:52] what does that mean?
[18:55] >> There's a statute that
[18:58] section that's cited in there
[19:00] basically provides that
[19:01] provides for how mineral rights
[19:07] are addressed in conveyances
[19:08] by governmental entities. And
[19:10] if you don't waive it,
[19:11] it's reserved. And so,
[19:13] if the city doesn't execute
[19:16] this, then there will be what
[19:22] they call an exception
[19:23] to the title policy
[19:29] for that mineral rights. And I
[19:30] mean council can do that too if
[19:31] it chooses to,
[19:32] but all it is a 15-foot strip
[19:33] around the building or around
[19:35] the property is what it is.
[19:37] And the city's still going
[19:38] to have an easement
[19:39] over that same 15ft too,
[19:40] so.
[19:42] >> Okay, thank you.
[19:46] >> Anything on that?
[19:47] >> I was also curious.
[19:48] >> Thanks for asking. I was
[19:49] expecting somebody be digging
[19:50] for gold or uranium or
[19:52] something.
[19:54] >> No, actually what. What it
[19:55] really applies to is more. I
[19:56] mean where it has historically
[20:00] come up in Florida, I guess
[20:01] for lack of a better way
[20:02] of putting it is in is the
[20:04] phosphorus mines and things
[20:05] like that.
[20:06] >> Right.
[20:09] >> Okay.
[20:12] >> But when we agreed
[20:13] to set this is one
[20:15] of the proverbial bundles of
[20:16] sticks which two private
[20:17] parties would be conveyed. But
[20:18] because there's this statute,
[20:19] we're just kind of clarifying
[20:21] our intention that we intended
[20:22] to convey everything.
[20:23] >> Correct.
[20:24] >> Is that a good way
[20:25] to summarize it?
[20:26] >> Yes. All right,
[20:29] I'll open up
[20:30] for citizens comments
[20:32] since we're voting
[20:37] on if anybody wants to comment
[20:43] on this. All right. Hearing
[20:44] None.
[20:45] [ CALLING ROLL]
[20:48] >> The motion passes.
[20:51] >> I have nothing else.
[20:52] >> Thank you, Jim. All right,
[20:53] next up, City Manager Brittany
[20:55] thank you, Mayor.
[20:56] >> So, our summer classes began
[20:57] this past Monday, June 2nd.
[20:59] There are still some spots
[21:00] available for the summer
[21:01] activity registration,
[21:02] so sign up today
[21:03] for the incredible summer camps
[21:04] by visiting satellitebeach.gov
[21:06] recreation or give them a call
[21:07] to choir about availability.
[21:08] Flag Day is next Saturday,
[21:09] June 14th where we honor the
[21:12] symbol of our freedom,
[21:15] unity and pride. Join us at
[21:17] City Hall. Flags will be raised
[21:19] at 7:30 and retired at 5pm
[21:20] Soak up the summer with
[21:22] connection and community
[21:23] business. Networking events
[21:25] will be held next Thursday,
[21:27] June 19th. I'm sorry,
[21:29] in two weeks June 19th at 5:30
[21:30] at Cadillac Cove
[21:31] in the VIP room. Be sponsored
[21:32] by CO Advantage. Mark your
[21:34] calendars for Go Skate Day
[21:36] Satellite beach skate Park on
[21:38] June 21 from 4pm There will be
[21:40] contests, giveaways,
[21:42] live music and food trucks.
[21:44] Come out and enjoy the fun.
[21:46] Our Recreation Department is
[21:47] holding a special community
[21:48] event introducing
[21:50] neurodivergent children
[21:51] to the 911 response system on
[21:53] June 23rd and 24th. This event
[21:54] is aimed
[21:57] at reducing anxiety and fear
[21:58] in real life emergencies.
[22:00] Participants will meet city
[22:02] police officers, firefighters
[22:03] and paramedics interacting with
[22:07] their vehicles and equipment.
[22:08] Equipment ending in a
[22:10] demonstration mimicking a
[22:11] real-life emergency.
[22:12] For more information,
[22:14] contact our Recreation
[22:15] Department. Our Police
[22:16] department received a thank you
[22:17] from the 55 Plus Club
[22:18] for their participation
[22:20] in the 1920 speakeasy event.
[22:21] The event was a huge success
[22:22] thanks to the team's
[22:23] outstanding performance and
[22:24] creativity,
[22:26] creative energy. A Special
[22:27] thanks to Lt. Kinsey
[22:29] for excellent coordination.
[22:30] The team brought fun and
[22:32] laughter to the community and
[22:37] now proudly recognized as an
[22:39] honor Honorary member of the
[22:47] Fun Department.
[22:48] >> What was your role Chief
[22:49] in that speakeasy?
[22:50] >> The Brevard County Natural
[23:02] Resource Department kindly
[23:03] shared photos of the co
[23:04] plannings that were done
[23:05] following the recent beach
[23:06] renourishment. The coats are
[23:07] thriving and appear to be
[23:08] in excellent condition,
[23:09] contributing positively to
[23:10] restored dune environment and
[23:11] there were pictures of that
[23:12] in the attachment. As an
[23:13] update, we did finally get the
[23:14] final cost
[23:15] for the senior banners. It was
[23:16] $6,740 and as of May 27th when
[23:17] this report was printed,
[23:18] we had received $635
[23:19] in donations to that. The rest
[23:20] of my report has the community
[23:21] development department activity
[23:22] along with all the other
[23:23] department's activities
[23:24] for the month of April. And
[23:25] at your next meeting,
[23:26] we'll have all of the activity
[23:27] for the month of May. And that
[23:28] is all I have.
[23:34] >> Mayor, thank you very much.
[23:35] Moving on to agenda item 8,
[23:36] which is the consent agenda,
[23:39] and there are 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
[23:42] items on there. We can take
[23:44] them all as one. Unless
[23:45] somebody would like
[23:47] to pull an individual one out
[23:49] to discuss.
[23:51] >> I've got a correction
[23:56] for the minutes.
[24:00] >> Okay.
[24:01] >> On page four,
[24:02] the second action item, there's
[24:04] a scrivener's error that refers
[24:05] to me as vice mayor body. Not
[24:07] to be confused
[24:08] with the former Minnesota
[24:09] governor as not a known AKA
[24:10] gotcha. I confess to doing that
[24:14] myself quite often.
[24:15] >> All right,
[24:21] so we have that added to it.
[24:28] Anybody else have any other
[24:30] questions, concerns
[24:31] with that? No. If not,
[24:32] I'll entertain a motion to. To
[24:33] accept the consent agenda.
[24:34] >> Mayor, there is a gentleman
[24:35] who wants. Oh, no,
[24:36] never mind.
[24:37] We thought it was consent,
[24:38] but it's not. Never mind.
[24:39] >> Okay. Move forward.
[24:40] >> I'm sorry.
[24:41] >> No worries. Do I have a
[24:42] motion
[24:43] for the consent agenda?
[24:44] >> So, moved.
[24:45] >> Okay, I got a motion. Do I
[24:46] have a second?
[24:47] >> I'll second
[24:48] with that correction.
[24:52] >> Thank you. Anything further
[24:53] up here on that, Gwen?
[25:00] >> [ CALLING ROLL]
[25:05] >> Consent agenda passes.
[25:07] Moving on to agenda item 9.
[25:09] Discuss, take action
[25:11] on automatic aid agreement
[25:12] between the city of Indian
[25:14] harbor beach and the city of
[25:15] Satellite beach for fire
[25:17] protection and emergency
[25:19] services. Hello, Chief.
[25:21] >> Hello. How are you? All
[25:24] right. So, we've currently had
[25:25] an automatic aid agreement
[25:27] with Brevard County Fire rescue
[25:28] for over 15 years. One
[25:30] of the things Chief Abernathy
[25:32] was working on prior to his
[25:33] retirement was an automatic aid
[25:35] agreement with the city of
[25:36] Indian Harbor Beach Fire
[25:38] Department and Patrick's
[25:40] Space Force Fire Department.
[25:42] An automatic aid agreement
[25:44] allows for its more formalized
[25:50] agreement for shared resources
[25:51] for both fire and emergency
[25:53] medical services to where if
[25:54] it's a specific call comes in;
[25:56] specific units will be
[25:57] dispatched accordingly. And
[25:58] it's a more formal agreement
[25:59] than a mutual aid agreement?
[26:00] This agreement was brought
[26:02] before the Indian Harbor beach
[26:03] city council on May 13 and
[26:04] approved. And now we're
[26:06] bringing it before you.
[26:07] >> So is the big difference
[26:08] between the two,
[26:09] the mutual aid is more they
[26:12] call for us and then we go, and
[26:14] automatic we're just going.
[26:15] >> Typically, the mutual aid
[26:16] agreement, when the on scene
[26:18] incident commanders realize
[26:19] that the incident has grown
[26:21] beyond their resources, they'll
[26:22] request additional resources.
[26:23] That way the automatic aid is
[26:25] more streamlined
[26:27] to where we get a call
[26:29] for a structure fire.
[26:30] Specific Brevard County Fire
[26:32] rescue units would be
[26:33] dispatched with us. That's how
[26:35] it works with Brevard.
[26:36] With this one,
[26:38] it would be the same
[26:39] to where if Indian harbor beach
[26:40] gets a call
[26:42] for a structure fire,
[26:43] rather than waiting
[26:44] for the units to get on scene
[26:45] and verify that they need us,
[26:46] we would be dispatched almost
[26:48] immediately. It would decrease
[26:51] response times, especially in
[26:52] those time sensitive incidents.
[26:53] >> Excellent.
[26:54] >> Indian harbor beach has an
[26:55] official fire department now.
[26:56] Are they still volunteer in
[26:57] New York?
[26:58] >> Beach is still volunteer.
[26:59] About a year and a half ago,
[27:00] they did hire their first full
[27:01] time fire chief. They are
[27:02] working
[27:03] on becoming a combination, both
[27:04] career and paid fire
[27:05] department. They just began
[27:06] on Monday responding
[27:07] to medical calls in their city
[27:08] as a first response agency.
[27:09] So, this way,
[27:10] if they do get two medical
[27:11] calls at the same time and
[27:14] their units are Busy
[27:24] on the 1st, they would be able
[27:26] to call us to back them up.
[27:27] And then as they grow,
[27:28] we would be able
[27:29] to do the same with them.
[27:30] With this formalized agreement,
[27:31] would we be deployed
[27:32] on a fire alarm in Indian
[27:33] Harbor?
[27:34] >> Traditionally, just
[27:36] like ours, all
[27:40] of our condos we handle, they
[27:41] would still be handling their
[27:42] regular fire alarms. I'm not
[27:43] sure if they're going
[27:44] to include us on their
[27:45] commercial fire alarms,
[27:46] but mostly it's going to be
[27:47] their structure fire responses.
[27:48] >> What would be the additional
[27:50] burden you feel would happen
[27:51] when this comes into play where
[27:53] it becomes more automated?
[27:58] In other words, instead of them
[28:00] confirming I actually have a
[28:01] problem?
[28:02] >> Traditionally we've had four
[28:03] calls for service this year
[28:04] in harbor beach, we usually
[28:06] average five or six. I imagine
[28:10] with them calling us earlier
[28:12] for,
[28:13] for more structure fires,
[28:14] we would get dispatched to a
[28:15] couple more that might not turn
[28:16] out
[28:17] to be a structure fire and we
[28:18] may be canceled on. And
[28:19] in addition, with them doing
[28:20] the first response portion,
[28:21] we're not real certain how many
[28:23] medical calls that they run,
[28:24] especially concurrent ones.
[28:25] So, they've started it Monday
[28:27] and I believe they've had one
[28:28] medical call since Monday.
[28:29] So, in order for them
[28:30] to get two calls to have
[28:33] to call us, that's something
[28:34] that we're going
[28:35] to keep an eye on over the next
[28:36] year and see what kind
[28:37] of impacts it'll have
[28:39] to us.
[28:40] >> With this wind, up being
[28:41] somewhat tailorable as far as
[28:42] we move forward,
[28:43] we realize that we're,
[28:45] let's just say,
[28:46] depleting the resources we have
[28:47] in the city because we're going
[28:48] to something that isn't
[28:49] important, not because
[28:52] of its. Indian Harbor. It's not
[28:53] important because there really
[28:55] was not an incident because the
[28:56] automated system brought you
[28:58] out, but there was nothing
[28:59] there. I mean, is that
[29:00] tailorable as we move forward?
[29:01] >> It is tailorable. There are
[29:03] severabilities. There's
[29:05] definitely stuff for. If we do
[29:06] start to use some
[29:09] of our fiscal resources, which
[29:11] on medical calls, a lot
[29:12] of that would be covered under
[29:13] the first responder agreement.
[29:14] So, we would be able
[29:15] to get those calls back
[29:16] from that financial money back
[29:17] from Brevard County Fire
[29:18] Rescue if the patients
[29:19] transported and
[29:20] on a fire. I mean,
[29:21] we've been responding
[29:22] to structure fires
[29:23] in harbor beach for years.
[29:24] So, I imagine if we see a big
[29:25] intake towards where we start
[29:26] seeing our citizens not getting
[29:27] the. The services because we're
[29:29] depleting our resources, that's
[29:34] something that we could address
[29:35] with them.
[29:39] >> But we. And we already have
[29:40] something like this in place
[29:41] with the county.
[29:42] >> Yes, we've had an auto 8
[29:43] agreement with the county for
[29:44] over 15 years.
[29:45] >> Okay.
[29:46] >> So, Patrick Shores, north
[29:47] of us, we've been doing this
[29:48] exact same thing
[29:49] with them with.
[29:50] >> With 62's area.
[29:51] >> Correct. All right,
[29:53] thank you. Good questions.
[29:54] Thank you.
[29:55] >> Yeah, and that gets to my.
[29:56] Like I said,
[29:57] because obviously if there's a
[29:58] fire,
[29:59] we want anyone who can help us,
[30:00] certainly trained professionals
[30:01] going to assist.
[30:03] >> Is there a concern about? I
[30:05] mean, heaven forbid you have
[30:07] two fires. How do you. Is that
[30:10] an issue where you have
[30:12] resources that are needed in
[30:15] the city being expended
[30:16] elsewhere? Is that a
[30:19] foreseeable concern
[30:20] from your perspective?
[30:22] >> It always is a foreseeable
[30:23] concern where if we do get a
[30:24] structure fire in 62's area,
[30:28] which I'm using them just
[30:29] because we've had the agreement
[30:30] with them the longest,
[30:31] traditionally, if we are going
[30:32] to be on that fire
[30:33] for a little bit as part
[30:34] of it, we will ask for either
[30:36] Melbourne to send
[30:37] over an engine or somebody to
[30:38] backfill our area if we're
[30:39] going to be out of service
[30:40] for a while.
[30:42] >> On a fire in 62, that's the.
[30:43] >> That's the station on fire
[30:44] by Sea Park.
[30:45] >> Okay. Yeah. Okay.
[30:46] >> So, you call if you. If
[30:48] it's. If it's a structure fire
[30:49] and you know you're going
[30:50] to have resources deployed,
[30:51] you call for potentially back
[30:53] backfills.
[30:54] >> Okay.
[31:01] >> Yeah, we'll try to backfill
[31:02] the beach as much as possible,
[31:04] because if it is a large
[31:05] structure fire,
[31:13] then you will deplete both
[31:14] 62, 63, harbor and us. So,
[31:15] we'll. We'll start grabbing
[31:16] resources from further away
[31:18] to come in and backfill not
[31:22] only our area,
[31:23] but 62s as well. Okay.
[31:25] >> And this is trying to think
[31:26] of a better. And lightning
[31:32] striking twice. But, you know,
[31:33] like the chance in your career
[31:34] you've not seen a situation
[31:35] where you have multiple kind
[31:36] of at the same.
[31:37] >> At the same.
[31:39] >> At the same time.
[31:41] >> We have a couple times.
[31:42] Notably one,
[31:43] we had a structure fire in our
[31:44] city that our units were at.
[31:45] And as I was responding
[31:46] to that call, we got a report
[31:49] of another structure fire and
[31:50] actually called Indian harbor
[31:51] beach to respond to that fire
[31:52] for us. It turned out that one
[31:53] was a structure fire and the
[31:54] one that harbor went
[31:55] to was not a structure fire,
[31:56] but we were able to, through
[31:57] the mutual aid agreement,
[31:58] call Harbor.
[31:59] >> That's definitely.
[32:00] >> It's a benefit too, because
[32:01] in that situation you
[32:02] theoretically ask what the
[32:03] county, you know, Harbor,
[32:04] Beachside, Melbourne, I guess
[32:05] in theory.Are they involved?
[32:06] >> Melbourne comes
[32:07] from the mainland,
[32:08] but we're also working
[32:09] on an agreement with Patrick
[32:10] Space Force Base as well.
[32:11] >> Okay, sounds good.
[32:12] >> Yeah. Because I think this
[32:13] works the same thing. Even if
[32:14] we had a. A big structure fire
[32:15] and all of.
[32:16] >> Our units are there,
[32:17] we can get.
[32:18] >> The county or someone else
[32:19] to kind of basically show up
[32:20] at our station and stand by in
[32:21] case another call would come
[32:22] out.
[32:23] >> That works, right?
[32:24] >> Thought that happened
[32:25] before.
[32:26] >> Is there any downside
[32:27] to this?
[32:28] >> I think we're going to have
[32:29] to study the agreement
[32:30] depending on calls,
[32:31] and we will keep an eye
[32:32] on it. If we do start seeing
[32:33] ourselves respond to a lot of
[32:34] calls as far as a medical call,
[32:35] we're still going to keep one
[32:37] of our engines in our city
[32:38] for those. I mean,
[32:39] it's just something we're going
[32:41] to track and keep an eye on.
[32:42] >> Thank you.
[32:47] >> Anybody else up here? If
[32:49] not, I'll open it up
[32:50] for citizens. Comment
[32:52] on agenda item 9. If anybody
[32:53] cares to comment
[32:54] on that hearing. None. I'll
[32:59] bring it back up here.
[33:03] There're no other questions up
[33:04] here. I'll take a motion to
[33:06] approve this.
[33:08] >> I'll make a motion to
[33:09] approve automatic aid agreement
[33:11] between the city of Indian
[33:12] harbor beach and the city of
[33:13] Satellite beach for fire
[33:14] protection and emergency
[33:16] services.
[33:17] >> Second.
[33:21] >> Okay, I have a motion a
[33:22] second. So, nothing any
[33:23] further.
[33:27] >> [ CALLING ROLL]
[33:34] >> Motion passes.
[33:35] >> Thank you, Chief.
[33:39] >> Thank you.
[33:40] >> Next up, agenda item 10.
[33:41] Discuss take action
[33:42] on lease agreement
[33:43] between the city of Satellite
[33:44] beach and PCI Municipal
[33:45] services.
[33:47] >> Thank you, Mayor. So, this
[33:48] item is coming to you because
[33:50] originally when PCI was
[33:51] contracted with the city,
[33:52] there was no Available city
[33:53] facility
[33:54] to house their operations. And
[33:56] at that time no alternate
[33:58] office space was feasible.
[33:59] But however,
[34:01] with the completion of the fire
[34:02] department building,
[34:03] an office area
[34:05] within the shared lobby of the
[34:06] fire department and public
[34:07] works has become available.
[34:08] The space is not designated
[34:09] for use by either
[34:12] of the departments. So, we did
[34:14] take the opportunity
[34:15] to conduct a review of some
[34:18] current beachside office space
[34:19] list listings which average
[34:20] approximately $22 per square
[34:22] foot annually. The identified
[34:23] office space within the city
[34:24] facility would provide PCI
[34:26] at a monthly rate for $1,000,
[34:28] which would include
[34:29] infrastructure such as
[34:30] Internet, water and
[34:31] electricity. The agreement
[34:32] would include an annual
[34:34] consumer price index increase.
[34:35] The terms of the arrangement
[34:36] would be contingent upon the
[34:37] city's ongoing contract
[34:38] with PCI
[34:40] for parking services. So, the
[34:41] space is roughly about 32
[34:43] square feet. Gwen's going to
[34:45] see if she can possibly pop up
[34:46] a picture. I apologize. There
[34:47] was supposed
[34:49] to be an exhibit A
[34:51] with this lease agreement
[34:53] for you guys to see. And I
[34:54] apologize that it did not get
[34:56] put in. So, we're going
[34:57] to be able to show it to you
[34:58] this evening so you can see it
[34:59] and then we'll make sure it's
[35:01] part
[35:02] of the agreement if it were
[35:03] to get approved. So, as she's
[35:08] bringing that up with that, I
[35:09] will answer any questions.
[35:11] >> You know I love math. You
[35:17] anticipated my question.
[35:22] >> I did. Those
[35:23] of you who are familiar
[35:24] with the lobby space
[35:25] into the main building
[35:27] of the public works
[35:28] on one side and fire station
[35:30] on the other. It's literally
[35:31] just that area that has the
[35:33] countertop. And
[35:35] behind the rest of the lobby
[35:36] space will be a shared space.
[35:37] The fire department has things
[35:38] on one side, the public works
[35:39] will have things
[35:40] on the other side. What's going
[35:41] to be nice about it is right
[35:42] now as you walk into the
[35:43] facility when those front doors
[35:44] are open because that entire
[35:45] building is key card secured,
[35:46] you have to pick up the phone
[35:47] and call and have somebody
[35:48] answer the line in order
[35:49] to even get you out
[35:50] of the lobby
[35:51] to go anywhere else. So, when
[35:52] PCI is there
[35:53] during their schedule,
[35:54] they'll be able to help assist
[35:55] with the residents or
[35:56] nonresidents who come
[35:57] in and need to have service by
[35:58] the public works or the fire
[35:59] station. And, and, or
[36:00] for just people who need
[36:01] to go up too,
[36:02] because we're having meetings
[36:04] of some short,
[36:06] which we do quite often
[36:07] over there. So that is another
[36:08] added benefit to this. So, this
[36:09] depiction has the entire lobby
[36:10] and as you can see on the
[36:12] left-hand side. I don't know if
[36:13] you're going to be able to.
[36:14] Oh, there you go. Yeah, that'll
[36:15] work. There you go, so at the
[36:16] bottom you can see where it
[36:20] says the 32 square feet.
[36:24] That's the area that they are
[36:26] going to be housed in box
[36:27] within a box.
[36:37] >> Yeah, you know,
[36:40] they have access to it.
[36:42] But I note on the. Essentially
[36:43] if in the event the parking
[36:49] management agreement is
[36:50] terminated,
[36:57] which correct me if I'm. Isn't
[36:58] there
[37:00] like a 30-day termination
[37:01] on that.
[37:02] >> So, this would also
[37:03] terminate
[37:04] on the same timeframe.
[37:10] >> Correct.
[37:15] >> Okay.
[37:16] >> Is parking going
[37:17] to be a challenge
[37:18] for citizens coming up to.
[37:19] >> So right now, based upon the
[37:20] front area where the public
[37:22] works side of things,
[37:24] those are staying open anyways.
[37:25] And there are at least two
[37:26] spots as well as two handicap
[37:27] spots. So those would stay
[37:28] remain open for residents able
[37:29] to come and deal. I did have a
[37:30] conversation with PCI. There
[37:31] are some times where I think
[37:32] Tuesdays are
[37:33] like their busiest days.
[37:34] But most of the time they don't
[37:35] have a whole lot
[37:36] of traffic that's coming
[37:37] in and out. Mainly they deal
[37:38] with residents and nonresidents
[37:39] out in the field when they're
[37:40] out by the beaches. And then
[37:41] they're going to have two
[37:42] designated spots that will work
[37:43] out to where best suits
[37:44] for that.
[37:45] >> I think one of the things
[37:46] that was brought up in the past
[37:47] was people would say,
[37:48] you know this Satellite beach,
[37:49] this does satellite beach
[37:50] parking. Why is there office
[37:51] outside of Satellite Beach? I
[37:53] heard that comment more than
[37:54] once. So, I think that would
[37:55] at least from concerned
[37:56] citizens perspective who made
[38:00] those observations that hey,
[38:02] this is out of the city,
[38:04] should be in the city, belongs
[38:05] to the city. It would solve
[38:07] that issue anyways,
[38:08] put it closer. And
[38:10] since everybody seemed
[38:11] to show up
[38:12] to city hall anyways, asking
[38:14] about this puts it closer
[38:15] in range. Instead
[38:18] of telling hey, you turn around
[38:20] and go drive all the way up A1A
[38:21] and to go to the office.
[38:25] >> The office manager.
[38:27] >> Ashley?
[38:28] >> Ashley. I thought it was
[38:29] Ashley and then I wasn't sure.
[38:30] I talked to her,
[38:32] she was excited about this.
[38:33] She thought this was going
[38:35] to be really good. Is she going
[38:36] to keep the same office hours?
[38:38] >> Yeah. So, I think the plan
[38:39] right now is to be Tuesday,
[38:41] Wednesday and Thursday from 9
[38:45] to 3. I think their hours
[38:46] actually are like 10 to 4.
[38:47] But I think we've asked them
[38:48] to adjust them to be 9 to 3.
[38:49] It would help public works and
[38:50] the fire department out a
[38:51] little better that way so
[38:53] they're amenable
[38:54] to that. I also thought
[38:55] with it being at the corner
[38:56] of Jackson and A1A obviously
[38:57] that puts it closer
[38:58] to the beaches. And actually,
[38:59] Ashley actually lives in here
[39:00] in Satellite beach. So that
[39:01] Was a nice feature as well
[39:02] to have that as well.
[39:03] >> And they also service
[39:04] Indian harbor beach now. Yes.
[39:05] >> And I don't. I'm just
[39:07] curious. So, would Indian
[39:08] harbor folks be potentially
[39:10] coming in there as well?
[39:23] >> The potential is there.
[39:24] Yeah.
[39:25] >> Wouldn't be a lot of.
[39:26] There's not a lot of spaces
[39:27] down there.
[39:28] >> No.
[39:31] >> Yeah, no, I'm just. I just
[39:33] was just curious
[39:34] about that. I mean,
[39:35] it's there. It's their space
[39:36] to use for their commercial
[39:37] purposes as they see fit,
[39:38] not limited to Satellite beach
[39:39] business.
[39:40] >> Any further up here,
[39:41] questions wise. If not,
[39:42] I'll open it up
[39:43] to citizens comment
[39:44] on agenda item 10
[39:45] by carried comment on it
[39:46] hearing none. I'll bring it up
[39:47] here. Nothing further. I'll
[39:48] entertain a motion
[39:49] for this.
[39:50] >> I'll make a motion
[39:52] to approve lease agreement
[39:54] between the city of Satellite
[39:56] beach and PCI Services LLC.
[39:58] >> Second.
[40:00] >> Okay, motion.
[40:01] >> Second. There's nothing
[40:04] further. Gwen?
[40:15] >> [ CALLING ROLL]
[40:16] >> Motion passes.
[40:22] >> All right, Next, agenda item
[40:23] 11, discuss take action
[40:24] on regulating smoking vaping
[40:25] on city property.
[40:26] >> Thank you, Mayor. So, this
[40:27] item is brought to you as the
[40:28] last council meeting. It was
[40:29] discussed and we wanted to
[40:30] bring some additional
[40:32] information. The staff has
[40:33] worked to gather that
[40:35] information that is part
[40:36] of your packet this evening.
[40:37] So really, we just wanted
[40:38] to provide that to you and then
[40:39] provide us some discussion
[40:40] about what to consider and what
[40:42] as you're looking into this.
[40:43] So, with that,
[40:44] we'll leave it up
[40:45] for open discussion and be
[40:46] happy to discuss it. Our police
[40:48] chief is here, Fire chief is
[40:49] here, Recreation director is
[40:51] here. All of those departments
[40:52] that would be affected
[40:53] by making these types
[40:54] of changes. So, I wanted
[40:56] to have them all here
[40:57] for expertise
[40:58] to help answer some
[40:59] of the questions that you may
[41:01] have.
[41:07] >> All right.
[41:08] >> Who would like to start?
[41:09] Anybody got any questions,
[41:10] thoughts, theories?
[41:12] >> It being delayed again as a
[41:13] topic has brought a lot
[41:14] of comments
[41:15] from the citizens,
[41:16] which is what we want, right?
[41:17] We want
[41:19] to represent the citizens. And
[41:20] the more that we discuss it,
[41:22] and unfortunately it seems
[41:25] like a delay,
[41:26] but the more we discuss it,
[41:27] the more input we have. So.
[41:28] And that's a wonderful thing. I
[41:31] know we've received emails
[41:32] at our council. Email addresses
[41:34] of course, correspond
[41:36] with some of those directly.
[41:38] And there is an overwhelming
[41:42] consensus, I guess,
[41:44] for the ban, based on
[41:47] observations that citizens have
[41:49] seen the negative aspect,
[41:52] the unfortunate negative aspect
[41:54] of the smoking and vaping
[41:56] on our beaches,
[42:01] on our walkways and
[42:04] on our citizens seems to be
[42:05] overwhelmingly supporting this.
[42:08] An ordinance
[42:10] to ban smoking and vaping
[42:12] on city property. What I've
[42:14] read is there are some areas
[42:15] that should not even be
[42:19] questionable as far as
[42:21] approaches go. Beach access
[42:24] goes, public parks goes. There
[42:26] may be some questions regarding
[42:28] the open beach. There was a
[42:29] discussion on don't allow it in
[42:31] parking lots because we'll
[42:41] still get butts on in the
[42:43] parking lots. I heard we also
[42:44] have last time we talked about
[42:47] distributing those ashtrays
[42:48] that were provided to us by the
[42:52] SWAT team students awareness
[42:53] and the ashtrays we have out
[42:54] there are full and it's just
[42:57] creating more workload
[43:00] for our city staff. Go clean
[43:02] ashtrays. We don't want to get
[43:04] in that business per se. So,
[43:11] I'm just trying to create
[43:12] conversation amongst us,
[43:14] amongst all of us right. That
[43:15] are sitting
[43:17] out there too that it seems to
[43:18] be more overwhelming than I
[43:19] anticipated
[43:20] to have such an ordinance
[43:21] in place. So that's a positive
[43:22] thing. We're moving in a common
[43:24] direction.
[43:26] >> I'll jump in.
[43:27] >> Yes, please.
[43:29] >> Yes, my view
[43:31] on this is unchanged
[43:32] since the last meeting. Not
[43:34] because I'm stubborn,
[43:35] although I am. You know I have
[43:37] had more time to think
[43:39] about it. I don't,
[43:40] I don't think I've counted it
[43:41] but I've had as I think it
[43:42] feels like I've had as much
[43:44] feedback those in terms
[43:45] of emails and just talking
[43:46] to people on this as I've had
[43:48] about a lot of other things.
[43:50] Maybe parking's up there and
[43:51] some other stuff but it's been
[43:52] a fair amount and all trending
[43:54] in a direction that I think is
[43:55] supportive
[44:03] of the same position
[44:04] of sticking
[44:06] with the ordinances presented
[44:08] at the last meeting which it
[44:09] looks like would be consistent
[44:10] with Melbourne Beach. I do
[44:14] philosophically understand the
[44:15] concept of trying
[44:17] to do carve outs. My practical
[44:19] concern with that is the
[44:20] exception swallowing the rule
[44:26] and creating enforcement
[44:28] headaches
[44:32] for staff and you know, like I
[44:34] said so I think it's. I think a
[44:41] ban on smoking and vaping is
[44:42] reflected in what Melbourne
[44:43] beach had and what was
[44:44] presented
[44:45] at the last meeting. That
[44:46] remains my position I will
[44:47] note. And I emailed the city
[44:48] manager, maybe the assistant
[44:49] city manager too just to remind
[44:50] myself because I'm a bit of an
[44:51] absent-minded professor
[44:52] personality type. I hadn't
[44:53] really been paying attention
[44:54] but I went for a run
[44:55] around the city as I need
[44:56] to do more of but still do an
[44:58] occasionally and I was happened
[44:59] to be this was on my mind. I
[45:07] was shocked and appalled by how
[45:08] many cigarette butts I saw
[45:09] adjacent to the
[45:10] to the sidewalk notably along
[45:13] Jackson in front of all that
[45:15] city property there. The
[45:16] schools, the new beautiful,
[45:17] you know Fire and public works.
[45:19] So, I don't want
[45:22] to get too preachy,
[45:23] because I try not to do that.
[45:24] But its people are not being
[45:26] responsible who are choosing
[45:28] to still smoke cigarettes in
[45:33] 2025. So that's my view.
[45:39] >> Jody. Steve, so my concern
[45:41] is with enforcement. And, you
[45:42] know, again, so we make a rule
[45:45] saying that you can't smoke or
[45:47] in or vape in this area. Who's
[45:48] out there enforcing,
[45:55] and that's on another citizen.
[45:56] But then what is the punishment
[45:57] once the police respond
[46:02] to that? Because if you don't
[46:03] have punishment,
[46:05] what's the point? So, we would
[46:07] have to discuss what would be
[46:09] the citation and the penalty
[46:10] for somebody else complaining
[46:13] on another person and actually
[46:15] having enforcement show up.
[46:20] Otherwise it's a useless rule.
[46:23] So, we have to be aware
[46:25] of that. I agree. And I
[46:26] appreciate putting in the
[46:28] citation penalties section here
[46:31] to let us know what other
[46:33] cities and stuff are doing,
[46:35] because you make a good point,
[46:37] right? I mean, it's good
[46:39] to know that information, what
[46:40] other folks are doing or what
[46:41] they've had to deal with
[46:43] Jody.
[46:48] >> I'm still listening to
[46:49] everybody right now.
[46:52] >> I will tell you. I think I'm
[46:54] in agreement with most folks.
[46:56] Most of the comments and stuff
[46:58] I heard are largely banned.
[46:59] The only one, the only thing
[47:00] that I actually heard
[47:02] from actually a couple folks,
[47:04] was just
[47:06] about a designated smoking
[47:08] area. But the only place they
[47:10] brought that up was at Pelican
[47:13] beach, mainly because of the
[47:14] pavilions and family gatherings
[47:16] and all that other stuff that
[47:17] goes on there. And it's
[47:18] probably one
[47:22] of our larger areas. So that
[47:23] was the only one that they
[47:24] said, you know, would there be
[47:25] a, designating a designated
[47:26] spot, a smoking spot somewhere
[47:30] in that area? I mean, that
[47:35] could be troublesome only
[47:36] because you're close
[47:37] to the beach also that's there,
[47:38] and you have a playground
[47:40] that's also there. So, you
[47:42] know, and you can't get too far
[47:44] away because you got the
[47:46] volleyball area there and all
[47:48] that other stuff. But that, I
[47:50] mean, that's just the only
[47:51] other comment that I,
[47:52] that I got out of it,
[47:53] that someone had just mentioned
[47:54] that, and that was the only
[47:55] place they mentioned it, not,
[48:00] not anywhere else or any other
[48:04] property or crossovers or
[48:06] anything. So that was the only
[48:07] part that I, that I heard
[48:17] from that I see where
[48:19] Melbourne beach has their
[48:34] citation, which in Atlantic is
[48:35] pretty much similar to that,
[48:36] other than Palm Bay kicks you
[48:37] out of the park.
[48:38] >> Yeah, I said, I said
[48:39] Melbourne beach,
[48:40] it's a combination of Palm Bay
[48:42] and Milk, is not exactly
[48:44] like any anyone else will
[48:45] Pretty close to Melbourne beach
[48:46] and Palm Bay. That Melbourne
[48:47] beach has a fine.
[48:48] >> There's. It's not allowed in
[48:50] parks and beaches. I guess it
[48:51] doesn't specify other city
[48:52] property combat.
[48:53] >> So, I didn't mean
[48:54] to jump in. No, no, no,
[48:55] that's good. And I just.
[48:56] Looking at some of the issues
[48:57] to consider, I certainly,
[48:58] certainly would think we'd have
[48:59] to have signage, and I know
[49:00] in the harbor does,
[49:01] because you can see it at
[49:02] Gleason Park. You can see it
[49:03] from the road. When you're
[49:04] driving down the road,
[49:05] it's there. It says that,
[49:08] which would be good. You know,
[49:14] I'm kind of like you. I'm good
[49:15] with the way it was presented
[49:16] the first time. I don't really
[49:19] have any heartburn with that. I
[49:20] guess I never really knew what
[49:22] all those things were that I
[49:24] saw that turned out to be vape
[49:26] cartridges. I just. I guess
[49:27] it's kind of
[49:29] like you running.
[49:31] >> Right.
[49:32] >> If you're not looking
[49:34] for it, you probably don't.
[49:37] Don't see it.
[49:38] But you're right. You know,
[49:42] my last trip to the beach this
[49:43] past weekend and what I saw,
[49:44] even around the trash cans,
[49:45] by the crossover and
[49:47] on the crossover and going
[49:48] down the stairs,
[49:50] on the cross crossover and
[49:51] at the bottom of the stairs,
[49:53] the crossover, you know, and
[49:54] that was just one beach access
[49:55] that there was quite a bit that
[49:57] that was there. And obviously,
[49:59] if it's not in the trash can,
[50:00] it's not getting picked up.
[50:02] So. Amen for all our folks who
[50:04] do regular beach cleanups.
[50:05] Can't say how much we
[50:07] appreciate you folks that do
[50:10] that because it certainly needs
[50:12] to be done. It's a mess
[50:14] out there.
[50:15] >> Is it kind of safe
[50:16] to assume? And I appreciate the
[50:19] staff putting this metric
[50:21] together. Is it fairly safe to
[50:24] assume that cities that allow
[50:25] and allow? They just don't have
[50:28] an ordinance that says you
[50:30] can't have it? They never
[50:31] really tackled the topic
[50:33] correct. Okay. So, if it says
[50:36] Melbourne allows and allows it,
[50:39] it's because they never really
[50:40] brought it back up to them.
[50:41] Okay.
[50:42] >> I think for the most part,
[50:43] I mean, this is a relatively
[50:44] new ordinance that the state
[50:47] finally approved.
[50:50] >> Yeah. It's mainly due to
[50:51] that legislation that got
[50:52] passed. And so, some of the
[50:53] cities have taken the
[50:54] opportunity to take a look
[50:55] at it and put an ordinance
[50:56] in place.
[51:00] >> So, it's not like it's been
[51:01] around for 50 years and no
[51:02] one's ever done anything
[51:03] about it. It is a relatively
[51:04] very new ordinance. So, I think
[51:06] just. Just like as we are,
[51:07] it's. It's Just coming around
[51:10] for people to look
[51:12] at it and come up with that.
[51:13] It's probably why there's not
[51:15] as many in there. But I foresee
[51:16] that will probably change.
[51:18] >> I will tell you that the
[51:19] students that were here are
[51:20] making a full force effort
[51:22] to get to all of the cities,
[51:24] including the county,
[51:27] to help try to get this done
[51:28] with all the cities. So, yes, I
[51:29] would agree.
[51:30] >> I've got some more stuff I
[51:31] want to go over, but I'd like
[51:32] to wait till after citizens
[51:33] comments because it we may hear
[51:34] from them.
[51:37] >> I was just going to. And the
[51:38] chief just walked out
[51:41] but I absolutely don't want
[51:43] to see smoking or vaping
[51:44] at our city parks or beaches.
[51:45] My concern is enforcement and
[51:47] what that does
[51:49] to our city staff. So, can you
[51:52] share any concerns?
[51:55] >> I'll be honest. I think
[51:56] it's. I mean, you're going
[51:58] to face this in the next item
[51:59] that we're going to talk about.
[52:01] I think we all know that there
[52:02] are things that happen that
[52:04] may or may not be against an
[52:05] ordinance. I think that it's
[52:06] more about those things, that
[52:07] this would give us an
[52:08] opportunity to use it when it
[52:09] becomes a problem. You know,
[52:11] if somebody is out
[52:12] in the parking lot near nobody
[52:13] else and is smoking a cigarette
[52:14] and isn't bothering anyone
[52:16] because no one else is
[52:17] around and no kids are around,
[52:18] I don't foresee our officers
[52:19] going
[52:20] to that person and telling him
[52:21] to put it out. You know what I
[52:23] mean? But, you know,
[52:24] if there's a group
[52:25] of kids that are on the
[52:26] crossover and they're all
[52:27] smoking and families are trying
[52:28] to cross the crossover to get
[52:30] to the beach, those would be
[52:31] the opportunities where I think
[52:32] that this would come more
[52:34] into play, especially
[52:35] at the playgrounds,
[52:36] at the fields. You know,
[52:38] an opportunity to tell that
[52:40] parent who might be smoking
[52:42] on the bleachers or vaping
[52:43] on the bleachers too,
[52:45] that it's not allowed. That's
[52:47] where I think the enforcement
[52:48] is going to come
[52:49] into play.
[52:53] >> Open it up for citizens.
[52:55] Comment on agenda item 11. If
[52:57] anybody wants to speak.
[53:01] Please, sir. Yes, just come
[53:06] upon. Give us your name, sir,
[53:07] please.
[53:12] >> Honorable members
[53:13] of the city council,
[53:14] my name is Ted Hunt. Can you
[53:15] hear me? Okay. A resident of
[53:18] Satellite Beach. I hope that
[53:23] you will accept a few
[53:25] of my ideas for consideration
[53:26] and discussion. I think we've
[53:28] not clearly identified a
[53:32] specific public benefit of this
[53:37] proposal other than it feels
[53:40] good, we want it, it feels
[53:41] good. I think that we have
[53:47] another issue, which is the
[53:48] potential benefits as compared
[53:51] to the potential costs. We
[53:56] haven't really identified what
[53:57] the problem is and how this is
[54:00] proposed
[54:01] to resolve the problem. What is
[54:04] the supporting data that a
[54:06] problem even exists
[54:08] in the first place?
[54:11] In other words, how many
[54:12] complaints have been received
[54:14] specifically
[54:15] about smoking or vaping
[54:16] in the parks or at the beach?
[54:20] And what is the nature
[54:22] of those complaints, if
[54:23] in fact any have been received?
[54:26] Who complained? Is it the same
[54:28] person or is its multiple
[54:30] persons? And what
[54:32] about the persons about whom
[54:33] the complaints have been made?
[54:36] What are the dates,
[54:37] times and locations
[54:39] of these complaints? And the
[54:41] most important that you already
[54:43] have addressed is how do you
[54:45] intend
[54:46] to enforce this ordinance? If I
[54:50] understand Florida law
[54:53] correctly and if it complies
[54:56] with law throughout most
[54:57] of the states, a peace officer
[54:59] can make an arrest if a felony
[55:02] is being committed
[55:05] in his or her presence, if a
[55:09] misdemeanor is being or an
[55:10] infraction is being committed
[55:11] in their presence,
[55:12] but they cannot make one. They
[55:14] cannot make a misdemeanor or
[55:15] infraction arrest if that
[55:17] misdemeanor infraction is not
[55:18] being committed in their
[55:20] presence. I could be wrong on
[55:23] Florida law, but I don't think
[55:24] so. I think the other issue
[55:27] that we need to address are the
[55:30] direct and indirect costs which
[55:32] have already been exposed
[55:34] on this proposal. And what are
[55:37] the estimated future costs that
[55:39] will see this proposal through
[55:41] to implementation. Thank you
[55:43] for your consideration.
[55:48] >> Thank you, sir. Floor is
[55:50] still open. Anybody cares
[55:51] to comment?
[55:57] >> Thank you, Council, it's
[55:59] Robert chase. I'm at 796
[56:00] Ocean Drive. You know,
[56:02] I'm thankful for the email
[56:03] responses I received and I
[56:05] heard this had been tabled and
[56:07] I took a few pictures on my
[56:09] morning walk the next day.
[56:11] So, I'm in favor of a total
[56:13] ban. I think the smoking rate
[56:15] is 12%. It goes
[56:17] down every year. It's kind of a
[56:19] problem that's resolving itself
[56:21] slowly in the country. But we
[56:22] know secondhand smoke is
[56:24] harmful. But the biggest issue
[56:26] in Satellite beach is the sheer
[56:28] amount of litter, especially
[56:30] around the beach accesses.
[56:33] And, you know, I get thinking
[56:35] about carve outs, but it really
[56:36] is a small percentage
[56:40] of people that keeps going
[56:41] down each year. Enforcement's
[56:44] tough. You know, I know. You
[56:45] know, we walk every morning
[56:46] along, you know,
[56:47] past four beach accesses. It's
[56:48] normal for police
[56:49] to be patrolling that as part
[56:50] of their normal route. So, you
[56:51] know, I think they'll have to
[56:52] ask the morning crew that shows
[56:53] up and will change smoke at
[56:54] Access is watching Sunrise or
[56:55] idle their cars at Shell
[56:56] Street. You know, just have
[56:57] to ask them. You can't do that
[56:58] anymore. And they'll move
[56:59] along. I think that's a
[57:00] particular problem area as our
[57:01] southern beaches abandoned,
[57:02] those folks migrated north and
[57:03] that's where we're getting. A
[57:05] lot of the litter issues. And
[57:07] really what fires me up walking
[57:09] every single morning and either
[57:11] seeing all. This discarded or
[57:13] the same people camped out
[57:14] on the accesses. So, you know,
[57:17] I appreciate what I heard
[57:18] tonight. So, thank you.
[57:19] >> Thank you
[57:21] for the photographs.
[57:23] Appreciate that. Floor's still
[57:25] open
[57:26] for a citizen's comments.
[57:28] Anybody else cares to speak?
[57:33] All right. Hearing none. I'll
[57:34] bring it back up here. You have
[57:36] more, Mike?
[57:39] >> I have just a little bit
[57:40] more. Trying to key off
[57:42] of what,
[57:43] what problem we're trying
[57:46] to resolve. We are not trying
[57:47] to fix anybody's health,
[57:48] although that's a positive
[57:49] off this.
[57:50] But what we're trying
[57:52] to resolve is this litter.
[57:53] So, I've got an email here of
[57:54] an individual that walks a few
[57:56] times a day actually picks up
[57:58] cigarette butts that this
[58:00] individual sees and says,
[58:03] I can't keep up
[58:04] with the overwhelming amount
[58:05] of discarded cigarette butts,
[58:07] especially near the walkovers
[58:08] Magellan Sunrise and Shelf
[58:10] Street. So, I resonate
[58:15] with what said. You have
[58:17] to understand the problem. If
[58:18] there was no litter, then the
[58:20] only resolving problem we have
[58:21] is just smelling it. But we
[58:22] have this litter problem too.
[58:24] So that's really what we're
[58:27] trying to address. And we're
[58:29] trying to address it where it
[58:30] doesn't put burden back
[58:32] on our city staff having
[58:34] to clean up ashtrays. And if we
[58:35] have something in place and
[58:37] there becomes a nuisance, then
[58:38] that's when the police can step
[58:40] in. And a lot of these places
[58:42] are high visibility places.
[58:43] Right. We do,
[58:46] I believe we do run. The police
[58:48] run by these approaches. They
[58:50] run down Shell Street. If
[58:51] individuals are sitting there
[58:53] smoking and creating a
[58:56] nuisance,
[58:58] then now they can go up to them
[59:00] and educate them and ask them
[59:01] to move on.
[59:04] >> That would just probably
[59:05] address the. It's probably not.
[59:07] Again, an assumption
[59:10] on my part. There's probably
[59:11] not been a lot of complaints
[59:14] because there isn't really
[59:15] anything you could do
[59:17] about it. I mean, it's not,
[59:18] it's not banned. It's not,
[59:20] there's not an ordinance
[59:22] against it. So, there's no rule
[59:24] that says you can't do that
[59:25] currently. So, if you were
[59:29] doing it to complain, I don't
[59:30] know what good that would do.
[59:32] There is a law against it.
[59:33] There's an anti-littering law
[59:34] against $500. Right. But that's
[59:37] the issue we're addressing is
[59:38] littering. Not the health
[59:40] issue, not the smell issue.
[59:41] It's the littering according
[59:43] to what councilman Chase just
[59:45] said there's already a law that
[59:47] exists. So therefore,
[59:49] we would be repeating a law
[59:51] on top of a law which is a
[59:53] useless law that our police
[59:56] have to enforce
[59:57] for no good reason,
[1:00:03] because there's already a law
[1:00:05] in existence.
[1:00:06] >> For me, it's not just the
[1:00:13] littering. You know what I
[1:00:15] mean? Like, and I do,
[1:00:16] without getting
[1:00:17] to the officers, have to
[1:00:18] witness the person littering,
[1:00:19] which they're probably not
[1:00:20] going to do in front
[1:00:21] of an officer.
[1:00:22] But if they can't smoke
[1:00:23] at all, then there, you know,
[1:00:24] clearly people. We can all look
[1:00:25] around and see the people who
[1:00:26] are smoking in the community,
[1:00:27] in the community are littering
[1:00:28] a lot out. I think that we can
[1:00:29] all agree to that. If you've
[1:00:30] been
[1:00:31] to the beach access and I
[1:00:32] talked about
[1:00:33] on the sidewalks, I knew
[1:00:34] about it at the beach access
[1:00:35] because I went out there and
[1:00:36] done cleanups and everything
[1:00:37] else. But I was kind of shocked
[1:00:40] when I started paying attention
[1:00:41] on the sidewalks and the public
[1:00:42] buildings. But to me, look,
[1:00:43] I feel strongly that the
[1:00:44] government,
[1:00:45] specifically the municipal
[1:00:46] government, shouldn't be
[1:00:47] in the nanny state business
[1:00:49] of telling people not
[1:00:51] to do things because of the.
[1:00:53] Their own health. There is a
[1:00:54] secondary issue where people,
[1:00:55] and it's crazy, but they.
[1:00:56] People do it. And
[1:00:57] in my experience,
[1:00:58] people can be kind of entitled
[1:00:59] about it, especially people who
[1:01:01] are still smoking cigarettes
[1:01:02] in 2025 in public about, you
[1:01:03] know, doing it at a park or,
[1:01:04] you know, vaping it at a park
[1:01:06] or sporting facility or stuff
[1:01:08] like that. Like, people should
[1:01:09] be able to feel comfortable to
[1:01:10] take their kids or themselves,
[1:01:12] but particularly young people,
[1:01:15] to one of our public
[1:01:17] recreational facilities
[1:01:18] without being exposed
[1:01:20] to secondhand smoke, be it vape
[1:01:23] smoke or cigarette smoke. And
[1:01:26] the other thing about having
[1:01:27] the ordinance is that then you
[1:01:29] can say, hey, you know, look
[1:01:31] at the sign, or, you know,
[1:01:33] it's not allowed
[1:01:34] on city property. As opposed
[1:01:36] to having to get into, as a
[1:01:37] citizen, like a moral argument
[1:01:39] with the person essentially
[1:01:40] saying, like, hey, I think
[1:01:41] you're being irresponsible
[1:01:43] by smoking at this public place
[1:01:45] where other people are. It
[1:01:47] gives cover. I feel like
[1:01:51] for citizens to point
[1:01:53] to that, hopefully law
[1:01:55] enforcement doesn't have
[1:01:56] to get involved,
[1:01:58] but if they needed to,
[1:01:59] if someone was being unruly,
[1:02:01] it gives them cover to do it.
[1:02:02] That's kind of how I, and I do
[1:02:03] think that if you have a
[1:02:04] designated area,
[1:02:06] then it's going
[1:02:07] to be a dispute
[1:02:08] about whether or not you're in
[1:02:10] the designated area or not or
[1:02:12] not. But, you know,
[1:02:14] I hear the thing about, I don't
[1:02:15] think that we should be doing
[1:02:16] it to protect the smokers.
[1:02:19] Because people can make
[1:02:20] whatever, you know,
[1:02:21] in my mind,
[1:02:22] they can make whatever
[1:02:24] informed, hopefully,
[1:02:25] decisions they want
[1:02:26] to make or not make about their
[1:02:28] own physical autonomy,
[1:02:29] but not other people
[1:02:30] on public property.
[1:02:38] >> What did you say?
[1:02:41] >> If we remove the cause
[1:02:43] of the litter and that's going
[1:02:44] to help.
[1:02:46] us with the litter,
[1:02:48] but that goes
[1:02:49] on personal recognizance.
[1:02:51] Yeah. Which obviously they're
[1:02:54] not paying attention
[1:02:55] to anyway.
[1:02:56] >> Yeah.
[1:02:57] >> So, what's the point? I
[1:02:58] fully support smoking pits or
[1:02:59] restricted areas,
[1:03:01] whatever we want to call it,
[1:03:04] but I'm fully on board
[1:03:06] with parks and youth events.
[1:03:08] And so that's why Brevard
[1:03:09] County's example
[1:03:11] to me is the best example.
[1:03:15] Just it's not allowed in youth
[1:03:16] areas and playgrounds.
[1:03:22] >> I kind of consider the beach
[1:03:23] a big youth area and
[1:03:24] playground, though,
[1:03:25] I guess.
[1:03:26] >> Yeah. But the beach is also
[1:03:28] where people go. And we've
[1:03:29] already brought up the issue
[1:03:31] with Pelican park and the
[1:03:34] pavilions. People go there,
[1:03:36] they have parties. What happens
[1:03:38] at parties? The people drink.
[1:03:40] Some drinkers tend
[1:03:41] to smoke when they drink, and
[1:03:44] now you're limiting that
[1:03:45] effect. And so,
[1:03:48] you're interfering
[1:03:51] with personal rights. And we
[1:03:52] have. I think that we have
[1:03:54] to give them an opportunity to
[1:03:56] exercise their personal rights
[1:03:57] to kill themselves willingly
[1:03:59] and knowingly by smoking. It's
[1:04:02] not my problem that they want
[1:04:04] to smoke,
[1:04:06] but that's their choice. And
[1:04:07] they can decide
[1:04:10] to go do it away
[1:04:12] from us downwind.
[1:04:13] >> Without jumping to the next
[1:04:15] topic. I think it's different,
[1:04:18] though, because, yes,
[1:04:20] you can extrapolate
[1:04:21] from bad decisions made
[1:04:22] after drinking and so forth,
[1:04:23] but the actual act of drinking
[1:04:24] has no externalities. No,
[1:04:25] smoking does have externalities
[1:04:26] like it does. I mean,
[1:04:28] if you have people smoking
[1:04:29] at one of those pavilions and
[1:04:30] you have a bunch
[1:04:32] of kids playing
[1:04:33] at the playground, Granted,
[1:04:34] prevailing winds are usually
[1:04:36] out of the east, but
[1:04:37] at the next pavilion over, you
[1:04:38] got multiple pavilions there.
[1:04:41] So, you've got a big group
[1:04:42] of people, a bunch
[1:04:45] of people who are smoking.
[1:04:46] There is a health effect,
[1:04:47] certainly an enjoyment
[1:04:48] of the public facilities effect
[1:04:49] on these people based upon the
[1:04:50] choices here.
[1:04:51] >> Okay, But a smoking pit,
[1:04:52] seriously, it's away
[1:04:53] from most facilities. Right.
[1:04:56] So, it's a designated area.
[1:04:57] They can walk
[1:04:59] from their pavilion 100 yards
[1:05:00] down the way. It's blocked off.
[1:05:02] It's another little gazebo,
[1:05:05] say, and they can smoke there
[1:05:06] and then come back and do
[1:05:07] whatever.
[1:05:09] >> That's what I would envision
[1:05:10] as a restricted area,
[1:05:12] is a smaller area away from
[1:05:13] other people that they would
[1:05:15] walk to smoke.
[1:05:17] >> Come back as a carve
[1:05:18] out specifically at Pelican,
[1:05:19] because we have the rented
[1:05:20] pavilions and stuff there.
[1:05:23] >> Personally, it works
[1:05:24] anywhere and.
[1:05:26] But I would not want it to be
[1:05:28] at like Cinnamon Park. A little
[1:05:30] too small for that, but
[1:05:32] Hightower park,
[1:05:33] maybe you could fit it
[1:05:36] in because again, that would
[1:05:37] address the crossover issue
[1:05:38] that has been brought up and
[1:05:40] maybe the parking lot issue,
[1:05:42] even. I don't know where you
[1:05:49] put it.
[1:05:52] >> Yeah. And I mean,
[1:05:53] you've got the sports field,
[1:05:54] the other large facility, you
[1:05:55] know, of children designed for.
[1:05:56] I mean, adults play sport there
[1:05:57] too.
[1:06:06] >> Let's just say we outlawed
[1:06:08] it. We just said no. No city
[1:06:10] property, no beaches. Just a
[1:06:11] what if. How much of the beach
[1:06:13] do we actually can enforce?
[1:06:19] High water mark, low water. I
[1:06:20] mean, there's. Is there some
[1:06:21] weirdness on the beach? It's
[1:06:22] that says you really can't
[1:06:23] enforce our rules,
[1:06:25] our municipality rules
[1:06:29] on the beach. I'm kind
[1:06:30] of looking at Brittany,
[1:06:31] but I'm kind of staring back
[1:06:32] over to the chief
[1:06:33] over there. I mean,
[1:06:34] are we just talking
[1:06:35] in circles here? Because
[1:06:36] there's nothing we can do
[1:06:37] about it anyway? Or as the
[1:06:39] beach goes, okay, standing
[1:06:41] with the dogs. I mean, you
[1:06:42] know, like not to bring up an
[1:06:44] old favorite.
[1:06:53] >> True. Any other thoughts?
[1:06:56] Concerns?
[1:06:58] >> Are we trying to craft an
[1:06:59] ordinance? Is that what you're
[1:07:00] trying to.
[1:07:01] >> It's obviously completely up
[1:07:02] to all of you if you. I mean,
[1:07:04] we brought the ordinance. We
[1:07:05] needed
[1:07:07] to do some additional research.
[1:07:09] That's what this is. So, I just
[1:07:10] need either some direction
[1:07:11] either to bring you back what
[1:07:12] we provided the last meeting
[1:07:14] with some possible edits
[1:07:15] to it and. Or nothing at all.
[1:07:17] Like, that's completely up to
[1:07:18] you.
[1:07:21] >> I personally think we have a
[1:07:23] problem, and we have a problem,
[1:07:25] particularly on access points
[1:07:28] on the beach. We have that
[1:07:30] problem today. So, we need
[1:07:33] to craft something
[1:07:35] to remedy that,
[1:07:37] to mitigate that problem,
[1:07:39] at least in that area. Now,
[1:07:42] good judgment says we're not
[1:07:44] going to be smoking on
[1:07:46] bleachers when I'm watching a
[1:07:47] game. That's good judgment. But
[1:07:49] not everybody practices the
[1:07:50] good judgment. So, do we extend
[1:07:51] our concern
[1:07:55] to athletic fields? Well, it
[1:07:56] seems like we should. So, do we
[1:07:58] increase that area? And then
[1:07:59] how much do we keep increasing?
[1:08:01] I'm not personally for smoke
[1:08:05] pits because I don't want the
[1:08:06] city to have the burden
[1:08:09] to create a smoke pit and
[1:08:10] to clean a smoke pit. Just
[1:08:12] words.
[1:08:13] >> We already clean it anyway.
[1:08:14] >> Well, we're cleaning
[1:08:15] everything right now anyway,
[1:08:18] but I'm just trying to relieve
[1:08:20] the burden and put the
[1:08:21] responsibility back where it
[1:08:23] belongs. If you Want to come
[1:08:25] to the beach in Satellite
[1:08:27] beach, you can't smoke. That is
[1:08:31] one way to look at it.
[1:08:32] >> Or the ball fields. I mean
[1:08:34] that's.
[1:08:35] >> I think it needs to be the.
[1:08:36] >> Parks that might be. It's
[1:08:37] got the parks and the ball
[1:08:38] fields need
[1:08:39] to be included as well.
[1:08:40] >> So, should we carve
[1:08:41] out where exceptions are? And
[1:08:45] then even parking lots to me is
[1:08:46] not a good exception because
[1:08:48] we're going
[1:08:49] to have cigarette butts
[1:08:50] in parking lots now. So, I
[1:08:51] don't know if there's any real
[1:08:52] exception that we can have.
[1:08:56] >> After all this and after
[1:08:58] reading the initial ordinance
[1:09:02] that we brought, I don't know
[1:09:05] that anything we've stuck here
[1:09:08] changes my mind on what we
[1:09:10] already had the first time. I
[1:09:14] mean, I think going as you said
[1:09:15] and as some of the citizens
[1:09:18] have sent us their thoughts,
[1:09:20] their comments, their pictures,
[1:09:23] their experiences on there. I
[1:09:27] think I've personally. It's
[1:09:28] given me more enforcement on. I
[1:09:29] agree with what we had the
[1:09:31] first time around. Now that
[1:09:36] we've had more data brought
[1:09:37] to us, so to speak. Right.
[1:09:45] More information is brought
[1:09:46] more what other cities are
[1:09:47] doing,
[1:09:48] what the rule is. I just again,
[1:09:49] personally I don't. I don't
[1:09:50] think I've uncovered anything
[1:09:51] that swaying my decision
[1:09:52] from what was brought
[1:09:53] to us the first time. That's
[1:09:55] just my thoughts personally
[1:09:57] on it.
[1:10:00] >> The same like I said. And I
[1:10:01] can intellectually, I do
[1:10:04] intellectually appreciate
[1:10:06] council member Sams point,
[1:10:07] but I just. Like I said,
[1:10:09] I'm worried about the. As a
[1:10:11] practical matter, the exception
[1:10:12] swallowing the rule and it
[1:10:14] creating more of an enforcement
[1:10:17] headache if we try
[1:10:19] to do carve outs. So, while
[1:10:22] appreciating that
[1:10:23] intellectually,
[1:10:24] I'm practically at the same
[1:10:25] place as the mayor.
[1:10:30] >> Which is the same place I
[1:10:31] was before Mike. Do you happen
[1:10:32] to have a copy
[1:10:33] of the ordinance from last
[1:10:34] time?
[1:10:35] >> I don't. I didn't know.
[1:10:36] Those extra papers you were
[1:10:37] holding.
[1:10:38] >> Yeah, no, those are all
[1:10:39] emails.
[1:10:40] >> Okay. Did it just say parks
[1:10:42] and beaches?
[1:10:44] >> No, I think it said all city
[1:10:45] property.
[1:10:49] >> All city property.
[1:10:52] >> I have it up. I can read it
[1:10:53] to you.
[1:10:54] >> It said smoking and vaping
[1:10:55] at city.
[1:10:56] >> Parks and on public beaches
[1:10:57] prohibited.
[1:10:58] >> That was the title.
[1:10:59] >> And it just said it shall
[1:11:00] be.
[1:11:01] >> Unlawful for any person
[1:11:02] to smoke within.
[1:11:03] >> The boundaries
[1:11:04] of any public park or.
[1:11:05] >> At any public beach located
[1:11:06] within the city.
[1:11:07] >> This prohibition includes
[1:11:08] use of any vapor generating
[1:11:09] devices as that term is defined
[1:11:10] by Florida law.
[1:11:12] >> Then it said the city
[1:11:13] manager or.
[1:11:14] >> Designee shall conspicuously
[1:11:15] post or cause to.
[1:11:17] >> Be posted signs setting
[1:11:19] forth the
[1:11:21] above prohibitions and the
[1:11:22] Final section,
[1:11:23] with the only exception to the
[1:11:24] above prohibition is.
[1:11:27] >> Unfiltered cigars whose
[1:11:31] regulation remains preempted
[1:11:32] as.
[1:11:33] >> Set forth in Florida
[1:11:34] statutes with my Editor's Eye
[1:11:35] today. You're missing an L on,
[1:11:36] on the, on the initial
[1:11:37] introduction there.
[1:11:39] >> If we bring it back.
[1:11:42] >> See what I'm talking about?
[1:11:43] >> So, parks would include
[1:11:46] sports fields.
[1:11:47] >> Yes.
[1:11:49] >> And the area out here.
[1:11:50] Right. I mean
[1:11:52] like the garden would be, you
[1:11:53] know, like this,
[1:11:54] like the.
[1:11:58] >> I mean, I think that if, if
[1:12:00] we, if we're going
[1:12:02] to say city parks and beaches,
[1:12:04] if you were to decide this
[1:12:05] truly is a city park, then
[1:12:07] those signs would just go
[1:12:09] there. So, I think that's
[1:12:10] something that you guys could
[1:12:12] help determine.
[1:12:13] which
[1:12:14] where would you
[1:12:15] like all those signs to go?
[1:12:16] And what we would consider
[1:12:18] parks in the community.
[1:12:23] >> But the intent is parks,
[1:12:24] ball fields, beaches.
[1:12:25] >> Correct.
[1:12:26] >> I'm good with it.
[1:12:28] >> I'm okay with that.
[1:12:33] >> What we can do is when we
[1:12:34] bring it back, we can go. We
[1:12:35] can provide a list of where we
[1:12:37] think would be the best places
[1:12:38] and then if we need
[1:12:39] to add or subtract
[1:12:40] from that list,
[1:12:41] we can do so.
[1:12:43] >> And I would just say
[1:12:44] in terms of enforcement,
[1:12:46] we kind
[1:12:47] of are a city that always
[1:12:48] begins with educating, which I
[1:12:51] think just getting the word out
[1:12:53] would be most important. I do
[1:12:55] think that I kind of like
[1:12:58] Indian harbor beaches. If we're
[1:13:00] going, if we're going
[1:13:02] to go a citation route,
[1:13:05] I prefer their citations to the
[1:13:07] others.
[1:13:11] >> I mean a policy of a warning
[1:13:13] as an initial map.
[1:13:14] >> I mean, just
[1:13:15] to answer one issue
[1:13:19] about the enforcement, the way
[1:13:22] that our code is set up is that
[1:13:27] a person can be cited
[1:13:28] for a violation
[1:13:29] of the code just by the general
[1:13:33] penalty provisions that are
[1:13:34] in the code, which provides
[1:13:36] for up to $500 fine or six
[1:13:38] months in county jail, which
[1:13:41] obviously that's not what you
[1:13:42] want to do, so.
[1:13:43] But you also have the ability
[1:13:45] to say that it would be a
[1:13:47] non-criminal offense and say
[1:13:48] that this is what the charge is
[1:13:49] going to be. Similar to. I
[1:13:50] guess it was harbor that had
[1:13:52] the right three levels
[1:13:56] of fines. So that would. I'm
[1:13:58] guessing that Brittany would
[1:13:59] like some direction
[1:14:01] on that too.
[1:14:03] >> I'd like to see us when we
[1:14:05] figure out where it's going
[1:14:07] to go is not overburden us
[1:14:08] with signs, you know, and if we
[1:14:11] have a problem distinguishing
[1:14:13] between a park and a playground
[1:14:16] or anything like that,
[1:14:17] then we need to simplify. City
[1:14:19] property, I mean, even
[1:14:20] out here in the breezeway,
[1:14:24] discourage that takes somebody
[1:14:26] that would be irresponsible,
[1:14:27] real irresponsible
[1:14:28] to do it right in front
[1:14:29] of the doorway.
[1:14:31] But it could happen.
[1:14:33] >> And does it happen?
[1:14:35] >> Not really. I mean it's a
[1:14:37] professional environment.
[1:14:40] >> Is that when we plan this
[1:14:41] thing out, let's try
[1:14:42] to plan it with.
[1:14:43] >> Much simplicity as we can
[1:14:44] and reduce.
[1:14:47] >> Any burden that we have.
[1:14:50] >> Putting signs out. I think I
[1:14:51] agree with you, Mark. I think
[1:14:52] isn't it. And Chief M. I'm sure
[1:14:53] tell you is just as a matter
[1:14:55] of community policing. You
[1:14:56] usually leave that up
[1:14:58] to an officer's dis discretion,
[1:15:00] whether he's going to give a
[1:15:02] warning the first time or a
[1:15:05] second time or he doesn't. I
[1:15:07] mean, I certainly understand if
[1:15:09] someone is smoking and he's
[1:15:12] sitting on the boardwalk and
[1:15:14] then he flicks the cigarette at
[1:15:17] the officer. I don't think
[1:15:18] that's a time for a warning
[1:15:20] at that point. I think that's.
[1:15:21] We've got way past that.
[1:15:23] However, on the other side,
[1:15:24] if you just have some out there
[1:15:26] who's just doing it who may not
[1:15:27] know that that's the rule, I
[1:15:29] would believe the discretion
[1:15:33] would be education first.
[1:15:35] Hey, you can't do that. Hey,
[1:15:37] there's a sign over there. It
[1:15:39] says you, you can't do that.
[1:15:42] Please put that out. And that's
[1:15:43] that. Similar
[1:15:44] to the way they would do a lot
[1:15:45] of other things. I mean,
[1:15:46] I think you, you used your
[1:15:48] discretion whether it's really,
[1:15:49] really warranted or not,
[1:15:51] depending on the situation.
[1:15:54] That's why I just say. I don't
[1:15:55] think you want to say that the
[1:15:57] first time will always be a
[1:15:58] warning. However, we want
[1:16:00] to go with what we currently
[1:16:01] do. I think with our current
[1:16:03] community policing is we try
[1:16:04] to educate first if we can. If
[1:16:07] it warrants something more than
[1:16:09] that, then we take the
[1:16:10] appropriate action as we do
[1:16:11] anything else. And let's not
[1:16:13] change what we do. Just stick
[1:16:15] as we do and let them, let them
[1:16:17] do their job the way they do
[1:16:18] their job.
[1:16:21] >> Trust the sound discretion
[1:16:22] of the officers.
[1:16:23] >> Yes, I agree. And then again
[1:16:24] then you could have the tiered
[1:16:28] approach to that. You know,
[1:16:31] if you're actually going
[1:16:33] to cite somebody, the first
[1:16:34] citation would be or do like
[1:16:37] Harbor. You know,
[1:16:38] the first citation is $50.
[1:16:39] Second time could be $100. If a
[1:16:41] third and
[1:16:43] on forever ever comes up,
[1:16:47] then it's 250 every time
[1:16:48] after that. I mean,
[1:16:51] I don't really have a problem
[1:16:53] with that approach. I mean it's
[1:16:54] probably a little bit lighter
[1:16:58] than if you look at Melbourne
[1:17:01] beach or in the Atlantic. It
[1:17:03] was, you know, 100 the first go
[1:17:04] around. I mean, I'm okay
[1:17:07] with that. Too. I think that's
[1:17:10] a reasonable approach
[1:17:11] to it. I'll open up for.
[1:17:16] Since we're trying
[1:17:20] to make some decisions here,
[1:17:21] please.
[1:17:28] >> You know, it's pretty easy
[1:17:29] to count the votes. This is
[1:17:30] going to go forward. If it goes
[1:17:32] forward. And as you're crafting
[1:17:35] the language, could you please
[1:17:37] include something that would
[1:17:38] prohibit the use
[1:17:42] of marijuana? And I don't know
[1:17:44] if it has
[1:17:45] to be specifically stated,
[1:17:48] the smoking of marijuana,
[1:17:50] whether it's. Eventually it's
[1:17:51] going to pass and it's going to
[1:17:53] become something that you will
[1:17:54] have to face. So, if you could
[1:17:57] put that into this ordinance
[1:17:58] that you're crafting,
[1:18:01] I would really appreciate that.
[1:18:02] Thank you.
[1:18:04] >> Good point, sir. Thank you
[1:18:05] for bringing that
[1:18:08] to our attention. I mean, I
[1:18:10] know we say smoking and vaping.
[1:18:12] Is that. Do you have
[1:18:13] to define that somewhere? How
[1:18:15] that gets put
[1:18:17] out there? I'll have to take a
[1:18:19] look again. I think it would be
[1:18:20] better because vaping started
[1:18:21] as marijuana use anyway.
[1:18:23] Right. So, we probably want
[1:18:24] to include that. So just. Just
[1:18:32] looking at what you have
[1:18:33] in there for issues
[1:18:34] for consideration, do you. Do
[1:18:37] you see. Is there anything
[1:18:38] on their else that we need
[1:18:39] to talk about or. That wasn't
[1:18:40] included in the original?
[1:18:41] >> I think I just need the
[1:18:42] consensus that you want me
[1:18:43] to put the citations like
[1:18:44] Indian Harbors is that.
[1:18:46] >> I'm okay with that,
[1:18:47] with the direction.
[1:18:50] >> I'm good with that.
[1:18:52] >> Okay.
[1:18:55] >> All right, then we will. We
[1:18:57] will draft it and bring it
[1:18:59] to the next. The next council
[1:19:00] meeting.
[1:19:01] >> I'm good with that.
[1:19:05] >> Everybody, there's just
[1:19:06] to bring up a kind of go
[1:19:07] on the point that was just made
[1:19:09] with marijuana. A medical
[1:19:12] marijuana user would still fall
[1:19:15] into this category. Yeah, you
[1:19:17] can use it at home. Just don't
[1:19:19] bring it to the beach. Right.
[1:19:21] So, I'm kind of looking at Jim
[1:19:22] to see does that have
[1:19:24] to be specific in the ordinance
[1:19:25] or is that understood?
[1:19:27] >> I have to look.
[1:19:28] >> Okay, okay.
[1:19:29] >> You just outlawed it, so.
[1:19:31] No, he's covered. He's not
[1:19:32] covered. He has to do it
[1:19:33] at home just
[1:19:34] like the smokers. Yeah.
[1:19:40] >> It sounds like it's already
[1:19:42] in the law. So, you're not
[1:19:43] allowed to smoke it
[1:19:44] in five public.
[1:19:45] >> So that would be
[1:19:46] unnecessary.
[1:19:47] >> Even if someone carries a
[1:19:48] medical marijuana card. Card.
[1:19:50] >> Okay.
[1:19:52] >> They. They can stand there
[1:19:53] with a medical.
[1:19:54] >> Marijuana card and keep
[1:19:56] comings all day.
[1:20:01] >> Long and there's nothing
[1:20:03] anything like you.
[1:20:04] >> About it, but you,
[1:20:06] you fire that.
[1:20:09] >> Up and you got
[1:20:10] to come.
[1:20:11] >> Okay.
[1:20:12] >> So, you have enough info on
[1:20:13] that? I think a good consensus
[1:20:14] on everything. Okay. All right,
[1:20:15] moving on to agenda item 12.
[1:20:16] Discuss, take action on
[1:20:17] regulating alcohol consumption
[1:20:18] on city property.
[1:20:19] >> Thank you, Mayor. So, this
[1:20:21] one is because it was asked
[1:20:23] about to bring forth. So, it's
[1:20:25] the same, the same thing. We
[1:20:27] brought some staff,
[1:20:28] has put together some
[1:20:29] of the things that are going
[1:20:30] on around some
[1:20:31] of the other communities.
[1:20:32] But just wanted
[1:20:33] to make sure that you were
[1:20:34] aware of what's currently
[1:20:35] in our language. The current
[1:20:36] ordinance prohibits alcohol
[1:20:37] consumption
[1:20:39] on any city owned streets,
[1:20:40] sidewalks or properties except
[1:20:42] under permit at specific
[1:20:43] facilities that include the
[1:20:44] Civic center, the DRS
[1:20:46] Community Center, Sampson's
[1:20:47] Island, Pelican beach park and
[1:20:48] Pelican Beach Clubhouse. So
[1:20:49] again, there is data here
[1:20:52] from the surrounding
[1:20:54] communities in Brevard county,
[1:20:55] including Brevard County. And
[1:20:56] then some issues
[1:20:58] for key issues
[1:20:59] for some consideration
[1:21:00] to discuss some
[1:21:02] of the special events, parks
[1:21:04] and beaches and then how you
[1:21:05] might want to see those,
[1:21:06] if you were to include those,
[1:21:07] how you would like
[1:21:09] to see those addressed and
[1:21:14] for future things.
[1:21:16] >> So just looking
[1:21:17] at this as a whole, does
[1:21:18] everybody see what I see that.
[1:21:19] I guess the first thing that
[1:21:21] jumped out
[1:21:24] to me is other than Cocoa
[1:21:25] beach, everybody has it. Not
[1:21:26] allowed in general.
[1:21:28] >> I like Melbourne beach once
[1:21:29] again here, if I'm reading this
[1:21:30] correctly.
[1:21:31] >> Okay. Yeah. Not restricted
[1:21:33] by anything.
[1:21:36] >> Except for parks.
[1:21:37] >> Except for parks.
[1:21:39] >> There is a reason
[1:21:42] for why we don't want
[1:21:45] to openly advertise a can
[1:21:49] of beer walking
[1:21:50] down the street. And I was kind
[1:21:52] of wondering if. Chief, is
[1:21:57] there bad things? I mean,
[1:22:00] knowing who we are as a city.
[1:22:03] Sorry to put you on the spot,
[1:22:04] but knowing who we are as a
[1:22:16] city and we are, at least
[1:22:17] in my area, we're becoming very
[1:22:18] kid friendly because we have a
[1:22:19] lot of new families moving in
[1:22:20] with little kids and we are
[1:22:21] representing them, recognizing.
[1:22:22] I see my neighbors walking
[1:22:23] around and they're walking
[1:22:24] around with cans of beer
[1:22:26] on them or whatever. It has a
[1:22:27] different meaning
[1:22:29] to kids and then it also may
[1:22:32] have a different meaning
[1:22:33] to law enforcement. So really
[1:22:34] the question is,
[1:22:35] to law enforcement. What's the
[1:22:38] biggest plus for the city not
[1:22:39] allowing alcohol consumption
[1:22:40] on a street compared
[1:22:42] to allowing it.
[1:22:46] >> The direct answer to that
[1:22:48] question would be just what we
[1:22:49] talked about earlier. It would
[1:22:51] just give us another tool
[1:22:52] to be able
[1:22:53] to address a situation that,
[1:22:55] where people are engaging
[1:22:57] in behavior that's not good,
[1:22:58] but hasn't risen to any
[1:23:00] criminal level or any level
[1:23:02] that we could do anything
[1:23:04] about,
[1:23:05] but we know it's going to.
[1:23:06] That would just give us the
[1:23:08] ability to say, listen, you,
[1:23:10] you got a beer. You're not
[1:23:12] allowed to have that. It's
[1:23:13] against the law. So why don't
[1:23:15] you Just head home. It's really
[1:23:16] the same situation as it's not
[1:23:18] allowed on the beach. And if we
[1:23:20] have a situation
[1:23:21] on the beach,
[1:23:22] which we don't very often,
[1:23:24] but every once
[1:23:26] in a blue moon, you get two
[1:23:27] people fishing and they get
[1:23:28] into an argument. If they've
[1:23:30] both been drinking and they got
[1:23:31] stuff with them,
[1:23:32] we can just use that to say,
[1:23:33] listen, you guys got stuff
[1:23:34] you're not supposed to ask.
[1:23:35] You probably want to just pack
[1:23:36] them up and find a ride home.
[1:23:38] That that's a tool that we
[1:23:39] would have to use
[1:23:40] in that situation.
[1:23:45] >> So, not that I went behind
[1:23:47] the chief's back or anything,
[1:23:49] but I did speak to an officer
[1:23:54] and he basically echoed what
[1:23:56] you said, and he gave me an
[1:23:57] example where they had a bunch
[1:24:00] of people at the skate park and
[1:24:01] they were there and they were
[1:24:04] drinking beer. And it got
[1:24:07] to the point where he was able
[1:24:08] to say, hey,
[1:24:11] you can't do that here. Why
[1:24:13] don't you pack it up and leave
[1:24:14] as just saying you're not
[1:24:16] out there trying to run
[1:24:19] around and find people drinking
[1:24:20] on the beach or anywhere else.
[1:24:22] However, you can use it if the
[1:24:25] situation arises, as you said,
[1:24:28] as a tool
[1:24:30] to curb a situation or
[1:24:32] behavior.
[1:24:35] But we're not paying folks
[1:24:36] to go out there to run up and
[1:24:37] down the beach looking
[1:24:39] at everybody's cooler
[1:24:40] to see what's going on
[1:24:43] out there. And I would tend to
[1:24:44] agree. I think we've had
[1:24:45] discussion I don't know how
[1:24:46] many times. Whether it's code
[1:24:48] enforcement or everything else
[1:24:49] that we talk about in the city
[1:24:51] of Satellite Beach. We always
[1:24:52] just try to say is unless
[1:24:54] someone points it out
[1:24:56] to be a problem,
[1:24:57] unless it becomes an issue,
[1:24:59] then we address the issue. If
[1:25:02] it's not a problem, then
[1:25:04] everybody just leaves it alone.
[1:25:06] And then we just address it
[1:25:09] that way. Like I said,
[1:25:10] I think we kind of do that
[1:25:11] with most things
[1:25:13] around here. I don't much to, I
[1:25:15] would say some citizens
[1:25:17] chagrin. I don't see cops
[1:25:19] for flying down the street
[1:25:20] in the car
[1:25:21] with their lights on,
[1:25:22] chasing kids
[1:25:23] with no helmets on, although I
[1:25:24] see them every day. I saw them
[1:25:26] today on my way home
[1:25:28] from work. Kids that I know
[1:25:30] that are not 16 years old and
[1:25:32] they're riding around
[1:25:33] with no helmets on.
[1:25:38] But again, I'm short
[1:25:40] of they ride right by them.
[1:25:41] That might be a different
[1:25:42] story, but I don't look
[1:25:43] for us as a community to run
[1:25:46] around trying
[1:25:47] to find stuff. I think all
[1:25:49] of our people have better
[1:25:50] things to do than to do that,
[1:25:52] but you should have that option
[1:25:54] or that available to you.
[1:25:57] Should you need it
[1:25:59] to do that? Which, again,
[1:26:00] I would just say, historically,
[1:26:02] as a city, we've done that
[1:26:04] in a lot of ways.
[1:26:05] Like I said, we've done a lot
[1:26:06] of code enforcement that way.
[1:26:08] We're just kind of talking
[1:26:09] about that
[1:26:11] with the smoking thing. You
[1:26:14] know, the idea is if it's a
[1:26:15] problem,
[1:26:16] we address the problem. It's
[1:26:18] not a problem. I mean, I would
[1:26:20] like to. I would say the same
[1:26:23] thing about dogs on a beach,
[1:26:25] much to a lot
[1:26:27] of citizens chagrin, which.
[1:26:28] That probably. You probably get
[1:26:29] a lot more calls on that than
[1:26:32] you would want.
[1:26:33] >> I twitch just when you say
[1:26:34] dogs on the beach.
[1:26:36] >> Good night.
[1:26:37] >> Designated hours. I stand
[1:26:38] by my
[1:26:39] >> There's a solution.
[1:26:41] >> I agree, yes. Designated
[1:26:42] hours.
[1:26:44] >> It just kills me.
[1:26:45] >> But, you know,
[1:26:47] on the same hand is, you know,
[1:26:49] I would say there's no bad
[1:26:50] pets,
[1:26:51] there's just bad pet owners.
[1:26:52] So, if people would behave
[1:26:54] appropriately and not cause a
[1:26:56] problem, you may not have a
[1:26:57] problem. And I think when we
[1:26:59] talk about. When we talk
[1:27:01] about parking
[1:27:02] on the beach and that some of
[1:27:04] the things that were brought up
[1:27:05] by the committees and what they
[1:27:07] brought to us was the behavior
[1:27:08] that was going on
[1:27:10] at the beach,
[1:27:13] people burying diapers
[1:27:14] in the sand and all those type
[1:27:16] of things that was going on.
[1:27:17] That was the problem. That was
[1:27:18] the problem at hand,
[1:27:20] that we had to come up
[1:27:21] with a solution to address that
[1:27:22] problem.
[1:27:25] >> I appreciate the practical
[1:27:26] point in the. That you're
[1:27:27] making, but I guess I kind
[1:27:29] of come back
[1:27:31] to the philosophical point that
[1:27:33] Councilman Sams made,
[1:27:36] is that if. If an adult is
[1:27:38] consuming alcohol responsibly
[1:27:40] in an aluminum, not glass,
[1:27:41] because there's an externality
[1:27:43] there, you know, like, you
[1:27:44] know,
[1:27:45] that's really an exercise
[1:27:50] of their individual liberty,
[1:27:51] in my view. That being said,
[1:27:53] said we don't want our city
[1:27:54] to be a, you know, target
[1:27:57] for flash mobs
[1:27:58] of irresponsible people. But I
[1:28:00] don't know the. I was a
[1:28:01] prosecutor in Georgia, so I
[1:28:02] know their criminal code a lot
[1:28:03] better than I know ours.
[1:28:04] Hardly here at all.
[1:28:05] But it's like, there's.
[1:28:06] Disorderly conduct is a crime
[1:28:07] up there. It's not just that
[1:28:09] you're intoxicated. You have
[1:28:10] to show boisterousness, I
[1:28:12] think, is like, what's
[1:28:14] in the code. So, if you were
[1:28:16] being disorderly,
[1:28:17] I'm sure there's somewhere
[1:28:18] in the floor of code that would
[1:28:19] cover public intoxication or
[1:28:20] disorderly conduct or something
[1:28:21] of that nature. If your
[1:28:22] intoxication is causing you to.
[1:28:23] You know,
[1:28:25] I get that this allows room
[1:28:29] for discretion
[1:28:31] below that level. And that
[1:28:33] point is well taken. So, I
[1:28:35] just, I can't. The reason it
[1:28:39] came to me is I was reading the
[1:28:40] statute. You know, it's
[1:28:42] like I can't think
[1:28:44] of a good argument as to why a
[1:28:46] responsible adult should not be
[1:28:48] able to drink a beer
[1:28:52] in an aluminum, you know,
[1:28:53] container on one of our beaches
[1:28:55] or our sidewalks or park,
[1:28:57] for that matter.
[1:28:59] >> Well, because you're
[1:29:00] influencing the kids,
[1:29:01] remember?
[1:29:03] >> Yeah, that I, That's a. I
[1:29:06] mean, you could get
[1:29:07] to that straw man that goes,
[1:29:08] that goes into any. That goes
[1:29:09] into really, you know,
[1:29:11] public hygiene type, you know,
[1:29:12] arguments that I don't.
[1:29:16] >> So, I guess my question is.
[1:29:17] And, you know, I appreciate
[1:29:19] that, you know, you looked
[1:29:22] at the current ordinance, but
[1:29:24] I. So, I would go back and say
[1:29:26] this difference from. This
[1:29:27] differs from the smoking
[1:29:29] ordinance because we didn't
[1:29:31] have one. So, we're trying
[1:29:32] to solve that issue. So, we
[1:29:33] already have this ordinance.
[1:29:35] It's already, it's
[1:29:37] on the books. It's been this
[1:29:38] way I don't know how many
[1:29:39] years. It's probably been
[1:29:41] on the books. But do you
[1:29:43] perceive this as it's a current
[1:29:45] problem or is it a current
[1:29:46] issue? Do you see that as Do
[1:29:47] you know, has it gone
[1:29:50] around and infringed on anybody
[1:29:51] that you know of?
[1:29:55] >> No, no. It came
[1:29:57] to me because I think we're,
[1:29:59] the smoking ban, if you will,
[1:30:02] was an amendment
[1:30:03] to this same code section.
[1:30:04] >> Yes.
[1:30:06] >> And it occurred to me that
[1:30:08] in and of itself, the conduct
[1:30:09] that's being prohibited there,
[1:30:11] as outlined by me, you know,
[1:30:12] someone who's of age
[1:30:14] with an aluminum container,
[1:30:15] who's not. Other otherwise,
[1:30:17] you know, who's not intoxicated
[1:30:19] otherwise doing anything wrong.
[1:30:21] I don't know that that should
[1:30:23] be prohibited in our city. I
[1:30:25] get the implication that that
[1:30:27] person is not going
[1:30:28] to necessarily be chosen
[1:30:30] to have a. Have a problem
[1:30:31] with that. Doesn't. I guess I
[1:30:35] still theoretical things don't
[1:30:36] still matter to me. So that's.
[1:30:38] Why I brought it up.
[1:30:42] >> May I make a comment?
[1:30:44] >> Absolutely. Okay.
[1:30:45] >> I don't see any reason
[1:30:46] to change what we have
[1:30:48] at this point, except I want
[1:30:49] to ask Chief a question.
[1:30:50] Currently, our enforcement or
[1:30:52] penalties are not specified.
[1:30:54] Are you still good with that?
[1:30:55] Do you feel
[1:30:57] like that part should change
[1:30:58] at all? Are you good how it's
[1:30:59] written?
[1:31:06] >> Honestly, if you're asking
[1:31:07] me that question,
[1:31:08] then I would say if we're going
[1:31:09] to address it and you want to,
[1:31:10] it would be easier
[1:31:11] in that particular section
[1:31:13] to be able
[1:31:15] to write a citation, because
[1:31:16] right now as our city attorney
[1:31:19] pointed out, every. Every
[1:31:22] violation of our city ordinance
[1:31:23] that doesn't have a particular
[1:31:25] penalty attached to it as a
[1:31:27] secondary misdemeanor. So, we
[1:31:28] go from its either. It's like
[1:31:29] 0 to 100 and so
[1:31:31] to have something in the middle
[1:31:33] would be nice only because
[1:31:35] you're talking about it and
[1:31:36] because you asked me the
[1:31:37] question, is it,
[1:31:38] is it anywhere a big enough
[1:31:40] deal for me to ever come
[1:31:41] to the boss and say, hey, boss,
[1:31:42] I'd like to bring this up
[1:31:43] to the city council that we
[1:31:44] need
[1:31:45] to add a penalty or citations
[1:31:46] for this not even close. So,
[1:31:47] you could make it like a, like
[1:31:49] a civil city code violation
[1:31:51] type thing. Yeah, that's what
[1:31:52] we were just talking. About
[1:31:54] in the last one. So, if there's
[1:31:55] a violation of the code. The
[1:31:59] police department is able
[1:32:00] to write ticket, whatever the,
[1:32:05] whatever that, whatever.
[1:32:07] >> The paperwork is, that they
[1:32:08] will be filing it legally as a
[1:32:10] second-degree misdemeanor
[1:32:11] for a violation of the local
[1:32:12] government code.
[1:32:14] >> But what the chief is
[1:32:15] suggesting is that we could
[1:32:17] potentially provide a middle
[1:32:19] way.
[1:32:21] >> Yeah, just like you were
[1:32:22] talking about
[1:32:23] with the last ordinance. You
[1:32:24] can make it a non-civil
[1:32:26] infraction. I mean. Yeah, a
[1:32:27] non-criminal infraction and
[1:32:28] establish fines
[1:32:29] for it.
[1:32:31] >> I mean, if we're not going
[1:32:32] to have a consensus
[1:32:34] to really, you know,
[1:32:36] that would be a,
[1:32:39] that would be a middle. That
[1:32:43] would be a middle way that I
[1:32:44] think there might be more
[1:32:45] consensus for. I mean,
[1:32:47] it sounds consistent
[1:32:48] with what we've talked
[1:32:49] about here. You know, I don't
[1:32:50] know, but like,
[1:32:53] that's--
[1:32:56] >> I'm not in agreement
[1:32:58] with allowing it
[1:32:59] on the beaches or parks,
[1:33:01] so I wouldn't necessarily want
[1:33:02] to change the ordinance,
[1:33:03] except I was curious
[1:33:04] about that. The amounts we were
[1:33:05] talking about for smoking,
[1:33:07] fifty hundred for those,
[1:33:08] keeping them consistent
[1:33:10] with the two. Or do you have
[1:33:12] thoughts on that?
[1:33:14] >> Yes, ma' am. If you all
[1:33:16] chose, because you're here and
[1:33:19] you're looking at it, it's
[1:33:20] in front of you and you would
[1:33:21] ask me the question. If you
[1:33:22] choose to say, hey,
[1:33:24] let's lessen this from an
[1:33:25] actual secondary misdemeanor
[1:33:28] to just civil citation, then
[1:33:31] yes, the more consistent
[1:33:35] across the board you are,
[1:33:36] instead of having to go,
[1:33:38] everyone's different. It's kind
[1:33:39] of a, that's kind
[1:33:41] of a hassle. But, but that's.
[1:33:42] Again, I,
[1:33:43] I don't care one way or
[1:33:44] another. So, if I say anything
[1:33:45] that sounds
[1:33:46] like I'm trying to, I'm not. I
[1:33:48] really, I don't make laws. I
[1:33:49] enforce them. You do whatever
[1:33:50] you do Whatever you say,
[1:33:52] we'll take care of it. Not a
[1:33:53] problem. But just because we
[1:33:54] don't have that problem and
[1:33:56] haven't had that problem.
[1:33:58] That's why I've never come and
[1:33:59] asked you that.
[1:34:01] But because it was brought up,
[1:34:03] sure. That'd be kind of nice
[1:34:05] to be able to just say, listen,
[1:34:06] because right now,
[1:34:07] if there's a problem,
[1:34:09] it's either knock it
[1:34:11] off or you're going to get
[1:34:14] arrested or knock it off,
[1:34:15] you're going to get a ticket.
[1:34:16] It's always easier if we can
[1:34:17] just do that.
[1:34:19] But that's just. If you feel
[1:34:20] like you want
[1:34:21] to go there and get there,
[1:34:22] fine. If not, it's been
[1:34:24] like this for the 38 years I've
[1:34:25] been here,
[1:34:27] and it's not a problem.
[1:34:30] >> And what I was trying
[1:34:31] to say, perhaps, and artfully,
[1:34:32] is that there's not going
[1:34:33] to be a majority
[1:34:35] to move totally away from this.
[1:34:36] I would view that as an
[1:34:38] improvement because you don't
[1:34:39] have people who are becoming a
[1:34:41] criminal over behavior that I
[1:34:43] don't think is harmful.
[1:34:46] >> Okay.
[1:34:47] >> And, I mean, I'm okay
[1:34:48] with that,
[1:34:49] with what you just said,
[1:34:50] more or less. If the penalties
[1:34:51] were basically the same that we
[1:34:53] just said. I mean. Well, the
[1:34:55] only thing I would say is that
[1:34:57] we do need to add, you know,
[1:34:58] DeSoto, Cateno park and the
[1:34:59] sports park to our list
[1:35:01] of places where you need,
[1:35:05] what do you call.
[1:35:09] >> It, like a permit or a
[1:35:10] waiver?
[1:35:11] >> Permits. Right.
[1:35:13] >> So currently, right now,
[1:35:14] you cannot have alcohol
[1:35:15] at those parks, even if you did
[1:35:17] have a special event permit.
[1:35:19] >> So, I would say you have
[1:35:21] to add those, number one.
[1:35:22] But then I have a question.
[1:35:24] How about Sherwood Avenue on
[1:35:28] Halloween? Because nobody gets
[1:35:29] a permit and most
[1:35:31] of us are walking around
[1:35:32] with alcohol, especially
[1:35:34] after a certain point in the
[1:35:36] night where the little kids
[1:35:37] have gone.
[1:35:39] >> I was really hoping nobody
[1:35:40] was going to ask that question.
[1:35:41] >> I lived there.
[1:35:45] >> I was just really hoping you
[1:35:46] weren't asking that question.
[1:35:50] >> Absolutely. I'm going
[1:35:51] to answer that question.
[1:35:52] But I just. I was kind of
[1:35:53] raising my hand because I
[1:35:54] wanted to add that should you
[1:35:56] all choose to do that,
[1:35:59] I just wanted to confirm,
[1:36:00] because we were talking about
[1:36:01] other law violations that
[1:36:03] generally would be associated
[1:36:04] with that. And we have all
[1:36:06] of those. We have disorderly
[1:36:07] intoxication. We have all
[1:36:08] of that stuff
[1:36:09] to be covered if it ever rose
[1:36:11] to a level that a ticket wasn't
[1:36:13] good enough. So, we're covered.
[1:36:15] Whether you implement citations
[1:36:16] or not, we're covered. The
[1:36:17] answer to the question is
[1:36:21] pretty simple. It's blocked
[1:36:23] off. Traffic's not allowed
[1:36:26] to go through there. And as
[1:36:28] long as someone doesn't give us
[1:36:29] a reason to go look
[1:36:33] in their direction, then we
[1:36:34] just keep everybody
[1:36:36] coordinated. And we. Now, if
[1:36:38] they're walking
[1:36:39] down the street with a bottle
[1:36:40] of the bottle, then we.
[1:36:42] Because now we don't have a
[1:36:43] choice. Now you're standing
[1:36:44] in front
[1:36:45] of me committing a violation.
[1:36:46] So, I have to say you have
[1:36:47] to pour that
[1:36:48] out or get rid.
[1:36:49] >> Of it or whatever. Why is a
[1:36:51] bottle different than a can,
[1:36:52] though? Is there actually a law
[1:36:53] that says glass?
[1:36:54] >> No, no,
[1:36:55] sir. I just use that term.
[1:36:57] >> But, well,
[1:36:59] because it matters.
[1:37:00] >> Alcohol.
[1:37:02] >> No, it does.
[1:37:03] >> I agree. But I just meant
[1:37:04] for our purposes,
[1:37:05] if it's a can
[1:37:06] of beer or a bottle
[1:37:07] of vodka or whatever. It's
[1:37:08] just. If you. If it's. If it's
[1:37:09] in my face,
[1:37:10] I don't have a choice. I have
[1:37:11] to say, you have.
[1:37:13] >> You can't throw that out
[1:37:15] in public. But even a can that
[1:37:16] can be identified as a
[1:37:17] Budweiser can. Cause they're
[1:37:18] pretty evident we're
[1:37:19] against the law because we're
[1:37:20] in the street.
[1:37:21] >> That's correct. That's
[1:37:24] absolutely correct. If you are
[1:37:27] walking.
[1:37:28] >> Yeah, I'm not cool
[1:37:33] with that.
[1:37:34] >> That's kind of my concern.
[1:37:35] It's like, that's.
[1:37:36] >> So, you keep kicking
[1:37:37] over stones. We can be here
[1:37:38] all-night kicking
[1:37:39] over stones. Because all that
[1:37:40] stuff exists
[1:37:41] in the real world. We're using
[1:37:42] practical experience to try to
[1:37:43] assure that everybody walks
[1:37:44] home safe at the end
[1:37:45] of the day. What I like
[1:37:46] to make sure we don't do
[1:37:47] from our vantage point is,
[1:37:50] is we talked
[1:37:51] about instilling levels
[1:37:52] of fines for something that
[1:37:54] may be not needed there. What I
[1:37:56] heard is that we're using this
[1:38:00] ordinance. No alcohol,
[1:38:02] as a tool to regulate something
[1:38:07] that could expand the fisherman
[1:38:10] as the example or anybody
[1:38:12] walking on the street,
[1:38:14] when you go up
[1:38:16] to them and you say, hey,
[1:38:17] you better go home. You can't
[1:38:18] have this, or you dump it out.
[1:38:20] I would think everybody goes,
[1:38:22] oh, I'm sorry,
[1:38:23] it's gone. I'm going home.
[1:38:25] >> That works.
[1:38:28] well, only those that are
[1:38:30] throwing cans back at the
[1:38:31] officer is when you're going
[1:38:33] to escalate it
[1:38:35] for the most part. And that's
[1:38:36] when you want the civil
[1:38:37] (INAUDIBLE). I mean,
[1:38:38] you want.
[1:38:39] >> That'd be assault.
[1:38:40] >> Well, yeah,
[1:38:41] but I guess what I'm getting
[1:38:42] at is that's when you want
[1:38:43] to turn the heat up. So, I
[1:38:44] don't know if we need any
[1:38:45] median ground. I don't know if
[1:38:47] we need a 50, 100 and 250 fine.
[1:38:48] Unless the chief Comes back
[1:38:50] at a later time, says, hey, we
[1:38:51] start, we need this now because
[1:38:52] we got people that are
[1:38:53] in the middle grounds.
[1:38:57] >> Two things,
[1:38:59] if you don't mind. I just want
[1:39:00] to make it clear because I just
[1:39:01] don't want there to be any
[1:39:03] misconceptions. I'm not saying
[1:39:05] that we condone or that we
[1:39:08] allow intentionally anybody to
[1:39:10] violate our law or the law or
[1:39:12] our city ordinance on
[1:39:14] Sherwood Avenue on Halloween.
[1:39:16] All I'm saying is if you don't
[1:39:18] give me. If there's two people
[1:39:20] walking down the street and
[1:39:21] they each are holding a solo
[1:39:23] cup and their little kid in
[1:39:24] costume and they don't give me
[1:39:25] a reason to go, what's
[1:39:27] in your solo cup? Then I assume
[1:39:28] the assumption on our part is
[1:39:30] we have intelligent, well
[1:39:31] educated people here and they
[1:39:33] know what's right and what's
[1:39:34] not, and we assume that they're
[1:39:36] following the law unless they
[1:39:37] give us visual evidence
[1:39:39] to believe otherwise. So, I
[1:39:41] just didn't want you
[1:39:42] to think that.
[1:39:44] >> No, I didn't.
[1:39:45] >> You're good.
[1:39:46] >> Okay.
[1:39:47] >> Yeah.
[1:39:48] >> You're good.
[1:39:49] >> It's important to me
[1:39:50] for you to think. Well, wait a
[1:39:51] minute. So, you just choose
[1:39:52] to pick? No, we're not thinking
[1:39:53] of choosing. It's just if you
[1:39:55] don't give me a reason
[1:39:56] to look, then I'm not going
[1:39:57] to look.
[1:39:58] >> Can I ask, Jitter, are you
[1:39:59] good with going
[1:40:00] to a civil penalty us to a
[1:40:02] misdemeanor?
[1:40:03] >> I was asking kind
[1:40:04] of what your preference is
[1:40:05] on that. If you were good as
[1:40:06] the ordinance is written or
[1:40:08] at this time, if we are going
[1:40:09] to make any change, if that
[1:40:10] would be something that would
[1:40:12] be beneficial
[1:40:13] to you and your department.
[1:40:16] >> Again, we. We really. We
[1:40:17] don't have a problem, Knock
[1:40:18] on wood. So, I've never had
[1:40:20] to even ever worry about it.
[1:40:22] Only because we're talking
[1:40:24] about it. I'm sitting here and
[1:40:26] you ask me that, then the
[1:40:27] answer truly is certainly if
[1:40:28] there's another avenue rather
[1:40:31] than going from 0 to 100.
[1:40:33] Sure, that's fine. That's
[1:40:34] better. If it doesn't pass,
[1:40:36] is it going to ruin my night?
[1:40:38] No, because we just. We have
[1:40:40] just a good community who just
[1:40:44] does the right thing 90%
[1:40:45] of the time. Most
[1:40:46] of the problems we have, folks,
[1:40:47] are not even our people
[1:40:48] in our own city. It's people
[1:40:49] that come from other places.
[1:40:50] Our community's engaged,
[1:40:51] they're intelligent,
[1:40:52] and they do the right thing 98%
[1:40:53] of the time. So thankfully,
[1:40:54] I've never had
[1:40:56] to come ask the boss to say,
[1:40:57] can I come talk to the council
[1:40:58] to create some of These
[1:41:01] restrictions or penalties or
[1:41:02] whatever, because we just don't
[1:41:03] need them as of right now.
[1:41:06] >> But can you bring back model
[1:41:08] language? Would that change
[1:41:09] when we bring the smoking ban
[1:41:10] back?
[1:41:12] >> Yeah, we can bring back the
[1:41:14] ordinance for the alcohol
[1:41:15] to have that. The citation,
[1:41:17] added citation,
[1:41:18] and then educate consensus. If
[1:41:20] you want me to add in
[1:41:22] Frankatino park and the sports
[1:41:23] park to be able
[1:41:24] to have alcohol
[1:41:25] on special events.
[1:41:30] >> I would like that.
[1:41:31] And the only reason I say that
[1:41:32] is because we don't have the
[1:41:33] open space like we used
[1:41:35] to next to the rec center. So
[1:41:36] we are moving some things to
[1:41:37] DeSoto Field these days. I
[1:41:38] could see us having an event
[1:41:39] there
[1:41:40] for some reason or other,
[1:41:42] and we shouldn't.
[1:41:43] >> Like the chief's retirement
[1:41:45] party or something.
[1:41:47] >> There you go.
[1:41:48] >> No, but I'm serious. I think
[1:41:50] it's. Yeah, I agree.
[1:41:51] >> Yes, I agree. I mean,
[1:41:52] I guess. Yeah, I think that
[1:41:53] was. I think you brought those.
[1:41:54] Those points about. And I think
[1:41:55] you're right. We should include
[1:41:56] them. They should be included
[1:41:57] like the rest.
[1:41:58] >> Do you want it
[1:42:00] to just be all city facilities?
[1:42:11] As long as we have a special
[1:42:12] event permit,
[1:42:13] I would not mind that.
[1:42:14] >> That flexibility piece
[1:42:15] in there.
[1:42:16] >> Yeah, I'm okay
[1:42:17] with that.
[1:42:18] >> All right, then we will be
[1:42:19] happy to draft it and bring it
[1:42:20] to the next council meeting.
[1:42:21] >> Parting words.
[1:42:23] >> Just if that's where you're
[1:42:25] going to go. I like that.
[1:42:27] Because when someone applies
[1:42:29] for a permit, we all have
[1:42:30] to look at it. So, I know
[1:42:31] what's going to happen,
[1:42:32] what's going to happen,
[1:42:33] when it's going to happen,
[1:42:35] how many people are expected.
[1:42:37] So, if you're going to go
[1:42:38] in that direction, it does make
[1:42:39] it a whole lot easier for us
[1:42:40] to be prepared for it,
[1:42:41] as opposed to just saying,
[1:42:42] okay, we're opening up
[1:42:43] to the whole city.
[1:42:44] >> Not that I care if you did
[1:42:45] that. I really don't.
[1:42:47] But that if. If you were
[1:42:49] to ask my opinion, I think that
[1:42:50] that would be good. Special
[1:42:51] activity permit. And you want
[1:42:52] to have that, fine. Because we
[1:42:54] already deal with that.
[1:42:58] >> So. Like it. All right. We
[1:43:01] all good with that one? Moving
[1:43:07] on to agenda item 13.
[1:43:08] Discuss. Take action on
[1:43:09] Resolution 1072.
[1:43:12] >> This one was pulled.
[1:43:14] >> Oh, that's right. My bad.
[1:43:16] Forgot that.
[1:43:18] >> We'll come back to you
[1:43:19] at a later date.
[1:43:21] >> Okay, we're going to move
[1:43:23] on to agenda item 14, which.
[1:43:25] Which is a public hearing.
[1:43:27] Discuss. Take action on
[1:43:28] Ordinance 1270. Jim?
[1:43:35] >> Ordinance number 1270, an
[1:43:36] ordinance of the city of
[1:43:37] Satellite Beach, Brevard
[1:43:39] County, Florida, amending the
[1:43:40] fiscal year 2024, 2025 budget,
[1:43:43] ordinance number 1257,
[1:43:44] providing an effective date.
[1:43:47] This is the second reading
[1:43:48] of ordinance number 1270.
[1:43:53] >> There are no changes.
[1:43:54] >> I was just going
[1:43:55] to say no changes
[1:43:57] since the first reading. Does
[1:43:58] anybody have any questions
[1:43:59] on this?
[1:44:00] Since nothing's changed. My.
[1:44:01] My questions got cleared up. I
[1:44:04] don't understand parentheses. I
[1:44:05] like plus minus.
[1:44:07] >> It's weird.
[1:44:09] >> It's hard for me
[1:44:10] to understand. It's an
[1:44:11] accounting thing,
[1:44:12] I'm sure.
[1:44:13] >> Right?
[1:44:14] >> It is. That's what I was
[1:44:15] told. I know. To me. To me. I
[1:44:16] like red numbers because its
[1:44:18] kind of spelled it spells it
[1:44:20] out for me. I understand red
[1:44:21] numbers, but it's in black and
[1:44:22] white. I know. I get you. All
[1:44:24] right. I will open up agenda
[1:44:25] item 14 for citizens comment.
[1:44:28] If anybody chooses to comment
[1:44:31] on this second reading hearing.
[1:44:33] None. I'll bring it back up
[1:44:38] here. Nothing further. I'll
[1:44:41] entertain a motion to accept
[1:44:42] this.
[1:44:44] >> I'll make a motion to adopt
[1:44:45] ordinance number 1270
[1:44:47] on second reading.
[1:44:51] >> Second.
[1:44:53] >> Okay, I'll move second. Any
[1:44:56] further?
[1:44:57] >> [ CALLING ROLL]
[1:45:03] >> And that passes. And
[1:45:05] we'll close that public
[1:45:13] hearing. We don't need
[1:45:14] to do the 1073. We took care
[1:45:15] of that. Right. And so,
[1:45:16] agenda items
[1:45:18] for the next meeting. Well,
[1:45:22] for the good of the order,
[1:45:23] I have to say I will not be
[1:45:25] at the meeting in two weeks. I
[1:45:27] know you're so disappointed,
[1:45:28] man.
[1:45:29] >> I know.
[1:45:30] >> Really?
[1:45:32] >> Yeah. I'll tell you why I'm
[1:45:33] disappointed after this,
[1:45:34] but.
[1:45:35] >> All right.
[1:45:37] >> Beside the point. Brittany
[1:45:38] areas I already talked
[1:45:39] about that week,
[1:45:41] so everybody sees those that
[1:45:42] are in there. If there's
[1:45:43] anything you would like
[1:45:44] to add, take away, have
[1:45:45] questions, please get
[1:45:48] with staff on that. And that
[1:45:49] meeting is June 18th at 6pm if
[1:45:51] there's nothing further, if
[1:45:53] there's anything that is that's
[1:45:54] going to come up,
[1:45:58] next meeting that you're going
[1:46:01] to miss, and I would assume if
[1:46:02] it means a whole lot to you,
[1:46:04] we can pull it and move it.
[1:46:05] >> Yeah.
[1:46:06] >> I don't want you excluded
[1:46:07] from it.
[1:46:08] >> I can call you
[1:46:09] from my car if you'd like.
[1:46:10] Well, I just want.
[1:46:11] >> I don't want you excluded
[1:46:12] for something that you.
[1:46:13] >> Yeah, that's why I say if
[1:46:14] you do it, just get with staff
[1:46:15] and you can mention it. I am
[1:46:17] sure if you feel strongly,
[1:46:19] something like that, until
[1:46:20] Brittany, she'd be more than
[1:46:21] happy to take it
[1:46:22] off the agenda and pull it
[1:46:23] to the next time
[1:46:25] without issue. I'll look
[1:46:26] into it. I'll let you know in a
[1:46:28] week. I appreciate that.
[1:46:29] >> Thank you.
[1:46:30] >> Okay.
[1:46:31] >> Don't let me know.
[1:46:32] >> There's nothing further.
[1:46:34] >> Sorry.
[1:46:35] >> May ask one question.
[1:46:36] >> Sure.
[1:46:37] >> Do we meet? June, July 2?
[1:46:39] >> No, we do not.
[1:46:40] >> You get, like,