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I'd like to call to order the city of

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Sagatuck city council workshop for

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August 19th, 2026.

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Jamie, will you call the role?

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» Anderson

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» Here.

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» Clark Dean

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» Here.

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» Gardner Muny

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» Here.

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» Peterson

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» Here.

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» Stan

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» Here.

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» We have Corum. Um Russ is running late

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so he will be here. Um and Joe is not

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here. So can I get a motion to excuse

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Joe from this evening's meeting or

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» Madame Mayor? I move we u excuse council

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member uh Clark from the today's

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meeting.

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» Second.

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» All in favor say yes. Yes. Any opposed?

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Motion carries. Agenda changes. Uh we

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talked um informally.

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» Yes. um about the short-term rental uh

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licensing uh resolution, which is 7B,

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and pushing that to the next meeting

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when we have all of our council members

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» Yeah. I'll make a motion to move

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» I unfortunately I'd like to but we

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haven't changed anything. Right. Right.

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» Uh I'd like to make a motion to change

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uh discussion item 7V to our next

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workshop so that all council folks are

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present during that discussion. Second.

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» All in favor. Jamie, this all in favor

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say yes.

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» Yes.

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» Any opposed? Motion carries. Sorry,

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Rash. Good to see you. [laughter]

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» You get a walk in.

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» You got the steps. Um,

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» We have no guest speaker. Uh, so that

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takes us to public comment on agenda

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items only. Anyone in the room wish to

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make a public comment?

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Anyone online wish to make a comment?

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Raise your Zoom hand.

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All right. I don't see any. Do you,

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» I do not.

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» All right.

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This is Christopher Hul. I'm sorry. I

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don't I'm not really good on this uh

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Zoom meeting, so I didn't know how to

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raise my hand on here.

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» Okay. Uh go ahead. You have three

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minutes. And if you can um reference the

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agenda item you wish to address.

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» Yeah. This is uh Christopher Hal, 731

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Pleasant Street. Uh so it's agenda item

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I guess uh C um rightway application

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permit. So um Lewis Allen and myself um

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are owners of the property and we're

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here for the um meeting to discuss this

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the um

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proposed um application. So, just wanted

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to give a let you know we're here online

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and we are um looking forward to this uh

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committee meeting.

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» Excellent. Well, thank you for joining

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us. Um anyone else on Zoom wish to speak

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and anyone else in the room wish to make

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a public comment?

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» Okay. Uh we'll close public comment and

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move to action items starting with the

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approval of the regular city council me

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meeting minutes from August 10th. Can I

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get a motion?

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» U Madame Mayor, I'll move to approve the

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regular city council meeting minutes

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from August 10th, 2026.

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» I'll second.

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» Any discussion before we vote?

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» Okay, it's a roll call vote.

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» Anderson,

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» Motion carries. Great. That takes us to

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discussion items. Uh 7A is the

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presentation on recommended brand

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direction. Quick reminder that um both

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Chris and Lauren from council were part

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of this. Um Ryan, do you want to tee it

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up or have town just dive in or how do

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» Yeah, just just briefly. Mayor, as you

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uh all know, you formed a yeah branding

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advisory committee which uh included

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myself, council members Peterson,

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Stanton, uh Tim Straker from our

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historic district uh commission, and

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Center for the Arts. and uh you uh all

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approved a proposal from um concept uh A

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uh to help us with this project and and

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come up with uh a recommendation uh for

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you. So, I'm going to turn it over to uh

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Mr. Straker and concept A to kind of

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walk through uh the the presentation and

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go from there.

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» Real quick, Ryan, was it this wasn't

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included in our packet, was it?

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» Correct. We'll get you a copy of the

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presentation and and make sure it's

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context for it before they've looked at

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the um design.

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» Okay. Hello everyone.

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» Hey Tim.

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» Um I won't repeat what uh Ryan just

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said, but I will say um I think all the

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members of the committee are here.

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» Yes. So uh it was a really good

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committee and a really good process.

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Kudos to concept A for how they led us

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through this um how they listened to our

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feedback. I think every um committee

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member had a point of view and um

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concept A did a really nice job of

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listening to that and providing feedback

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uh against that. So what you're seeing

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today is the result of uh a few

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different rounds of um working against

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the goals and objectives. So I'd like to

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start there. Jamie, if you want to swip

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to the next page. Thank you. So just to

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ground ourselves on the goals and

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objectives for this project. Um the goal

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of the rebranding project, we wanted to

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create a modern identity that reflects

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the authentic character of our community

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and something that captures the culture,

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the natural beauty, um the charm, the

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sophistication in a way that feels

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said said no better than this distinctly

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Sagatuk. Um, every good branding project

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starts with a primary audience and

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understanding really who you're going

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after. In this case, our primary

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audience was um, visitors and tourists

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who are experiencing this from the

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outside in. And our goal was to create a

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strong um, sort of immediate um,

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impression that reflects the character

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and the quality of the place. But the

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secondary audience of residents, I

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think, is really important as well. And

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in no other case that you know in in

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sort of branding world I think is this

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more appropriate that it's almost like a

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recycling logo. The primary audience

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audience which is residents and the

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resident the secondary audience sort of

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depends on the primary audience. There's

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a tremendous halo effect of how you feel

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as a community member um for how

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visitors and tourists experience our

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community and there's a tremendous sense

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of pride in that. So, we kept going back

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to what we were trying to accomplish

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with the primary and secondary audience

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definitions.

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thanks. At its core, there were three

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brand pillars. We wanted to make sure

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this felt authentic to its core, artful

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by nature, and elevated yet

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approachable. So, I'm going to unpack

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each of these um a little bit because I

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think it's really important for what

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you're going to see. Um

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when we say authentic and at its core,

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we mean the brand should feel grounded

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and genuine while reflecting the

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individuality of the community where the

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the character, the nostalgia, and kind

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of this touch of quirk exists side by

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side. And we think that's a really nice

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description of what we all feel in this

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community every day. Um, number two,

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it's artful by nature in that the brand

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should reflect a sense of artistry um

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and feel natural and integrated u in the

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everyday, not applied or decorative.

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authenticity of that artful by nature

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comment oozes out of this community and

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we wanted this identity to feel that

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Last, we wanted it to feel elevated yet

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approachable. Um, concept a described

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this as a rare high low dynamic. And I

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think that's a good description where

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small town warmth and charm coexist.

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never feels out of reach. It just sort

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of feels like this distinctive, easy to

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engage, um, an easy to understand kind

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of vibe that goes on here.

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um, prior to the design work. Um the um

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the survey had about u 322 responses.

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community members appetite for change.

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somewhere between a moderate refresh

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first and a completely new direction

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with a subtle evolution from where we

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are now coming in last. So I think where

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sort of 231 order. um and we can come

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back to that as we look at um how the

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identity plays off across applications.

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those um brand attributes or core words

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that we wanted to um to reflect in the

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So without uh without uh further waiting

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um we'll share with you the

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recommendation.

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the recommended direction. Excellent,

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flowing. It reflects sort of a

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handcrafted nature of our creative

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spirit. Um it's kind of the result of an

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approachable welcoming brand feel that

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uh has character and sort of easily uh

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defines the sense of creativity in the

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community. Um, we purposely sort of did

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the reveal in a black and white

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application so you know you weren't

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swayed by colors or things around it. We

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wanted you to get the sense of purity

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around the identity. But if we make one

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more click, you can see how it comes to

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life in full color. Um, and you can see

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sort of how this um how this vibe lives

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on one of our favorite assets um, Oval

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Beach. So this could be on top of a

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photo that's a mast head in our website,

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but it's purely for conceptual purposes.

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sort of how it takes on a more official

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role. So we talked a lot about um and we

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looked at other identities for other

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municipalities and talked about the role

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of a city identity and it's um how

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serious it needs to be or what the

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interplay between personality and

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official business is. and we feel like

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we found the right spot where um this is

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a a stationary and a sort of document

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expression of what the identity looks

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like in official correspondence. There's

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nothing that says it has like official

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correspondence has to be dry or it has

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to be overly prescriptive. Um, I think

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the days of a sort of gold leaf stamp on

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a on a municipality identity are behind

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us. And there's no better community

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better situated to sort of reflect this

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balance of personality and official

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business. And so this gives you a sense

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of how that feels. Um, another

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application, and I love this because

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it's the most mobile application that

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you see around town, is how the red

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trucks look with this kind of an

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identity on it. It just sort of, um,

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it's a little bit of a wink. It's a

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little bit of a makes you smile. Um, uh,

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it gives you a sense of what the city

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stands for when you see it on a

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Department of Public Works um, sign or a

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truck.

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And then uh another example,

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if you think about the sign coming in on

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Blue Star um from Holland, the the one

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that sort of keeps getting over

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» The third several times,

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» The third one or

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» Um you know, you can see how this

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identity looks in signage. You can see

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how it looks on wayfinding signage. Um

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sort of like Douglas has and that's on

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the right. Um city of Charavoy has very

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similar signage. You can see how that

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holds its own on that. And I want to say

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one thing as especially for anyone who

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might listen to this afterwards. Um this

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this identity on this sign is this

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identity on one sign. This is not a

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proposal to change the pallet sign

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because that is part of our core

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identity. It's actually not a proposal

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to change the other one at North Street

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because that's really interesting.

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That's an interesting sort of late 70s

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early 80s expression of our of our

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community pride and that's part of what

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makes this quirky is having sort of

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different personalities around town. So

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while this might be the official

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identity for the city of Sagatuck um

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it's one of many expressions of what we

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like to communicate who we are and how

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we live.

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And then probably the um expression or

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the application that most people are are

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familiar with obviously or will be

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whether you're a visitor or whether

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you're a resident is the website.

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So you can see sort of how the lockup

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works um in the circle um for social

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media on an Insta page or Facebook page.

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You can see how um the grid might look

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with a series of posts. These are all

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made up. Um, but I think the important

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part about this page is to show how a

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color palette can translate and actually

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help you find or identify with

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information. So that historic district

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box um that is sort of a tealely blue,

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that's just random, but you may, you

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know, if it is tealy blue, you may

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always look for the updates that are

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tealy blue if um the HDC is something

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that you watch and follow. Same with the

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planning commission. and it could be um

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orange or um uh any sort of um other

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update on you know beach passes and

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things like that. So it gives us the

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ability to organize our grid and

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communicate with uh a little more

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clarity.

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Um another example of a website concept.

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So, I love this one for how clean it is,

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how clear it is, and how the city of

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Sagatuck logo sort of um sits on

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photography and how um the expression of

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the logo and photography work together

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to create a vibe of who we are and how

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important the water is, how important

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nature is. By the way, I think that's

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kind of critical to sort of the greens

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and blues that you feel that you see are

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most prominent with the color palette.

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And then I think lastly, um, just a

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couple variations. Concept A does a

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really nice job of giving you variety

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and guidelines on how to use that

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variety. So the left is sort of the

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primary logo. Um, we had a lot of good

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conversation about this, whether it

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should just be Sagatuck or the city of

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Sagatuck. We landed that it needs to

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have the city on it. It needed to be

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anchored in the like that is an official

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um, uh, sort of need. Um there's

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situations where it may not have the

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city. There are situations when you

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might add established 1868.

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Um so there's secondary uses, there's

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primary uses. Um they're really good

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about creating the guidelines in the

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rule book for um for city staff to

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follow very easily so we know how we're

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being consistent.

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And then lastly, um, one of the things

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we asked Concept Day to do for us was

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just put this in sit in situ with, um,

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two other logos that are around us

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because if our primary audience is

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visitors, our secondary audience is

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residents. We all experience these uh,

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these logos. We experience Sagatuck

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Township. We experience um, Douglas's

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branding. So, like what do we look like

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in comparison and how does our

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personality fit when all three

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communities are sort of together? And we

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felt it was a good litmus test because

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um those other two logos are lovely.

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They had their own goals and objectives

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for their audience and they delivered on

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that for them. We feel slightly

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different but it also hangs together um

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in a sort of three community region. Um,

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but we also give ourselves the the

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opportunity to stand apart and have our

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own personality. So, we really liked how

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this identity showed up as part of the

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three. We feel like we're part of the

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family, but we're um one of the kids

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that definitely stands out with its own

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personality.

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» The fun kids.

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» Yeah, they're the fun kids.

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» I think that's it.

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» Great job, Tim.

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» Yeah, thank you for the committee. And

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thank you to all four of you and Ryan

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who were on the group. It's great work

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and um thank you for being here. So

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» Yeah,

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» Concept A um is on the phone if we have

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qu anyone has questions or comments. Um

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but um kudos to them. They run a really

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good meeting, a really good process and

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uh I think they listened very well

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» From the other committee members. um any

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Lauren and Chris and all

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» I will just say that um you know we went

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through a number of variations where we

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saw different um concepts that they

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brought forth and we went through

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different you know going back on what we

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you know looked at as far as the goals

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of what we wanted it to look like. Um I

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think Tim and Kristen having people that

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have a background that's more in design

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um was super helpful. Um, I definitely

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don't have a background in design or

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branding or marketing. So, I felt like I

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really enjoyed having uh your brains in

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the mix with us. And so, we really um we

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couldn't have done it without having our

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community members with the brain power

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um when it comes to design and marketing

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and uh branding um to be a part of it.

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So, uh very thankful and um I'm really

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excited about how this turned out. I

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think it it it it says all the things

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that we want it to say.

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» Chris, u I I agree with all of that. We

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had they came to us with three different

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designs and and two of them focused very

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similarly to what we have now with the

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river coming down. And the way it did it

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and Ryan brought it up. He said, "It

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looks like a duck being eaten by a

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fish." And I couldn't get it out of my

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mind after he said that's all I could

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see. Um, now I don't have a lot of

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experience in in uh design or anything

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like that, but I do have experience in

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pitfalls of deciding things for the

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public. Could you go back to the pallet,

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please?

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There. Go back. One of the things I

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wanted to be very clear on is that we

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have the colors identified that will be

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used. I don't want any colors out there

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that show up that we did not vote on,

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right?

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» And so I think we have to be very

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careful that we stay with it. They can

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be moved around however you want to, but

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those are our colors.

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» Yeah, that makes sense.

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» Other than that, I I thought it went

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very well and and uh we

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» Yeah. And it's kind of music to concepts

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A's ears um that when they create brand

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guidelines, they don't want us to

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» Not guidelines, they're rules.

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» Exactly.

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» Yeah.

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» Um Kristen, anything you want to say in

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the audience? Kristen,

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» I just think that

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» Will you come to the mic so we capture

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you on the video.

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» Thank you. First of all, thank you for

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including me. This was absolutely was a

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super cool process to be part of. Um I

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think that Sagatuck has exactly what Tim

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said, a really unique opportunity to

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come up with um a mark a logo that is

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unlike most municipal logos because of

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who we are. Plain and simple. Period.

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Full stop. Right. Um and I think Concept

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Day did a great job in my opinion of

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putting forward something that does give

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that we are the art coast after all,

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right? that playful, creative vibe that

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also um is serious enough that it can be

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on the side of a truck or on your

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letterhead. Uh and I think that just is

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it's so good for us to have a logo that

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honestly doesn't just look like

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everybody else's offtheshelf. Gee, let

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me guess. Will there be a river? Gee,

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let me guess. Will the radone be on it?

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I love those places. So predictable,

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right? And the fact that concept day

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came back with this thing that emi

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embodies um who we are in that spirit of

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artfulness but can still be on the side

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of a truck big um I love that Tim said a

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wink um feels so much like saga tuck

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right elevated and yet we wink you know

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as we get on the street. So all of those

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things and thanks for including me

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because it was just I learned a ton and

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it was a delight to be part of it.

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» That's great. Scott,

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» A couple questions and I'm not sure if

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it's for the committee members or for um

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the concept a folks. Is that derived

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from any existing font? So that's that's

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our own or their own invention. Those

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those letters are are their own

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invention,

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» Right?

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» Um so that would give us and I'm not an

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expert on this. That would give us the

544
00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:55,600
ability to trademark or copyright it to

545
00:20:53,919 --> 00:20:58,320
protect it.

546
00:20:55,600 --> 00:21:00,960
» Concept A. I'll let you I'll let you

547
00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:04,320
answer the specifics of that, but it is

548
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:06,240
a um it's a custom it's a custom logo,

549
00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:08,094
right?

550
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:10,480
» Yes, that's correct. It's

551
00:21:08,094 --> 00:21:11,520
[clears throat] all hand handdrawn.

552
00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,520
» Okay.

553
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:16,960
» Nothing like it exists. So, it's

554
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:20,000
100%able by the city. the fonts that go

555
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:22,559
with it too. Um they've done a good job

556
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:26,080
of balancing like what are usable font

557
00:21:22,559 --> 00:21:29,039
fonts that won't cost us as well as this

558
00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,760
is a protectable um identity since it is

559
00:21:29,039 --> 00:21:32,480
custom.

560
00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:34,480
» Okay. So I I yeah just to legally

561
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,919
protect it. I think to a certain extent

562
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,520
it goes to council member Peterson's

563
00:21:35,919 --> 00:21:40,000
comment about you know a certain color

564
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:41,200
palette that we shouldn't deviate on.

565
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,039
You know I would want to make sure that

566
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:45,760
we that it can't be diluted by others

567
00:21:43,039 --> 00:21:47,600
copying it. So that was that's my

568
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:47,840
primary concern that I'm driving at. I

569
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:48,559
don't know.

570
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:48,799
» T-shirts.

571
00:21:48,559 --> 00:21:51,200
» Yeah.

572
00:21:48,799 --> 00:21:53,200
» Well, precise precisely. I mean,

573
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:55,440
frankly, we we should have the t-shirt

574
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:57,520
concession. Yeah.

575
00:21:55,440 --> 00:22:00,240
» You know, merch. I'm all about the

576
00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:01,440
» Honestly. I mean, we should really I

577
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,280
mean, I

578
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:05,039
» They did one with the hat. It showed it

579
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:08,480
on the hat and that was really cool.

580
00:22:05,039 --> 00:22:10,880
» We um you're 100% right. And we actually

581
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:12,640
early on in this process we sort of said

582
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:14,640
one of the success criteria would be

583
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:16,559
that you love this thing so much that

584
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,880
you want it on merch. Like that's a

585
00:22:16,559 --> 00:22:19,760
litmus test of do you relate to this

586
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,080
identity.

587
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:23,919
» So but in order for that to happen we

588
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,320
have to own it. We can't have

589
00:22:23,919 --> 00:22:26,320
» Right

590
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,360
» Random people reproducing it in a way

591
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,600
that's not

592
00:22:27,360 --> 00:22:31,120
» What we what we

593
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,960
» Know this is true for corporations. I'm

594
00:22:31,120 --> 00:22:35,600
assuming it's true for municipalities,

595
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:37,679
but you know the the logo or I mean

596
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:40,000
people can when they need to use your

597
00:22:37,679 --> 00:22:42,480
logo grab it off your website though

598
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:44,480
that they're using the official

599
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:46,000
» That they will create that ability

600
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:48,320
within their guidelines.

601
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:50,080
» Yeah. I I just go back to my previous

602
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:52,320
job when I worked for BP oil when they

603
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:54,880
went from just BP to the the green and

604
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:57,200
yellow sunburst. You know, suddenly you

605
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,799
found a green and yellow sunburst gas

606
00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,720
station in Kazakhstan

607
00:22:58,799 --> 00:23:02,400
» That wasn't a BP station. That's right.

608
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,960
» But they've they've found a way to try

609
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,720
to emulate and copy, you know, what we

610
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,080
spent, you know, what we spent millions

611
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:10,240
on. So, I mean,

612
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:12,400
» My I guess my my ask would be, you know,

613
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,919
can we I think we should find ways to

614
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,840
protect it. You know, I don't know if

615
00:23:13,919 --> 00:23:17,760
it's trademark, copyright, what, but but

616
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:19,200
I do think we should we should pursue

617
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,640
that to make sure

618
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,400
» Concept A can answer.

619
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:25,520
» You guys can help us, right?

620
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:27,039
» And Jake too might file a trademark for

621
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,880
this or

622
00:23:27,039 --> 00:23:32,720
» I don't see any reason why we couldn't.

623
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:34,559
Um, IP law is not exactly my ba wick,

624
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:37,039
but we have a couple attorneys in my

625
00:23:34,559 --> 00:23:40,400
office that do a lot of uh trademark

626
00:23:37,039 --> 00:23:41,679
work and so I'd be happy to to circle

627
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,600
back with them and see what the steps

628
00:23:41,679 --> 00:23:44,480
are for getting some protection to the

629
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,559
logo.

630
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:48,240
» I would suggest we take that extra step.

631
00:23:46,559 --> 00:23:49,919
Um, and the reason I'm saying that is

632
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:53,039
because I freaking love it. I think I

633
00:23:49,919 --> 00:23:54,559
think it's amazing. I I never would have

634
00:23:53,039 --> 00:23:56,400
I never would have imagined it myself,

635
00:23:54,559 --> 00:23:58,480
but I love it. It's fantastic.

636
00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:00,720
» I do too. But I want to sense check that

637
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,760
because I'm not an artist, nor am I, you

638
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,039
know, a member of the business

639
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,520
community. So that's why I'd like to

640
00:24:03,039 --> 00:24:07,120
also ask Ashley for her gut reaction to

641
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,960
it. Uh I don't mean to put you on the

642
00:24:07,120 --> 00:24:11,679
spot, Ashley, but from a CVB

643
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:14,000
perspective, what do you think?

644
00:24:11,679 --> 00:24:16,080
» Happy to be put on the spot. Um I love

645
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:18,480
the playful nature of it. I wasn't

646
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:21,760
expecting uh to be so pleasantly

647
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:23,760
surprised. Um it's great and um I thank

648
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:27,039
you to the whole committee for all the

649
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,840
work you've done. Bravo.

650
00:24:27,039 --> 00:24:30,400
Jared,

651
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:33,039
» I of also have to repeat what Ashley

652
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:34,799
said. Um, I wasn't expecting to be so

653
00:24:33,039 --> 00:24:37,200
pleasantly surprised. As most people in

654
00:24:34,799 --> 00:24:40,400
the community know, I'm very judgmental

655
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:43,120
and and I was I wasn't expecting um such

656
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:46,080
a wonderful uh uh uh font to hear that

657
00:24:43,120 --> 00:24:48,400
it was done handdrawn

658
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:51,440
uh and that and that um it's our own

659
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:55,440
font rather than a font I can find uh on

660
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:58,960
on on uh on stock somewhere. Um, uh,

661
00:24:55,440 --> 00:25:00,640
it's easy to read and it's fun and I'm

662
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,720
seeing the water in there. I'm seeing

663
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,360
the nature in there with the curves and

664
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,840
things.

665
00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:09,120
» Um, I'm very pleasantly surprised and

666
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:12,799
um, and uh, and kudos to um, Kristen. I

667
00:25:09,120 --> 00:25:14,400
I know a great creative uh, mind there

668
00:25:12,799 --> 00:25:16,320
uh, uh, that helped out and everybody

669
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,080
that helped uh, to make this happen. I

670
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,480
think it's I'm very very happy. you

671
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,240
know,

672
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:22,720
» Could you go to the where it shows the

673
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:24,559
three municipalities cuz

674
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,400
» And that's another thing and like

675
00:25:24,559 --> 00:25:28,799
somebody was saying earlier was that uh

676
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:30,640
you know it's not the typical you know

677
00:25:28,799 --> 00:25:34,000
block lettering too much spacing in

678
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:35,760
between uh you know uh it's not typical

679
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:38,080
and and I think that's perfect for

680
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:40,320
Saget. I just think, you know, also, you

681
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:42,640
know, in addition to the the very, you

682
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:44,960
know, strong association to the river

683
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:47,520
and the na and nature, you know, it's

684
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:50,159
got a really cool almost 60s

685
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,960
counterculture vibe, which is, you know,

686
00:25:50,159 --> 00:25:53,120
very talk.

687
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:55,360
» Yeah. Which is very sag, you know, arts,

688
00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:57,520
diversity, you know, you know, a bit

689
00:25:55,360 --> 00:25:58,720
quirky. So, it's got all that sort of I

690
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,640
mean, I actually like briefly looked at

691
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,720
the Rolling Stone magazine logo because

692
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,919
it kind of reminded me of that ever so

693
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,320
slightly. But it's it's different

694
00:26:03,919 --> 00:26:08,480
though. It is. But it's it it's got that

695
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:10,400
it's got that great kind of vibe that I

696
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,840
think a lot of people expect of Saget

697
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,039
with the arts and sort of the diversity

698
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:16,080
and so I think it's great

699
00:26:13,039 --> 00:26:18,000
» Of of nostalgia much like our last logo

700
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:20,480
that was done in the 80s had a kind of a

701
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:23,120
nod to nostalgia. So I like how you kind

702
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:24,159
of kept that nod but then elevated it

703
00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:24,559
updated it.

704
00:26:24,159 --> 00:26:25,039
» Yeah.

705
00:26:24,559 --> 00:26:27,919
» Yeah.

706
00:26:25,039 --> 00:26:29,840
» I love it. And I also love that you know

707
00:26:27,919 --> 00:26:31,919
the pallet sign goes right with that

708
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:34,559
logo. the you know the other sign we

709
00:26:31,919 --> 00:26:37,039
have at North I mean that I think it

710
00:26:34,559 --> 00:26:40,320
says Sagatuk and I love looking at it's

711
00:26:37,039 --> 00:26:41,840
like we it kind of captures who we are

712
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,240
where we are

713
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,799
» So

714
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:47,200
» And it's quirky and again easy to read I

715
00:26:44,799 --> 00:26:48,640
mean it's it's Sagatuck you just see it

716
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,799
there it's not something you have to

717
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,960
fight to see like not nec I don't see it

718
00:26:50,799 --> 00:26:55,279
with Sagatuck or Douglas or Township or

719
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,799
Douglas but a lot of logos you know it's

720
00:26:55,279 --> 00:26:57,360
hard to read because they're being too

721
00:26:56,799 --> 00:27:00,480
artsy

722
00:26:57,360 --> 00:27:02,799
» Yeah and I really like leaning into you

723
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,000
know the the the name the word because

724
00:27:02,799 --> 00:27:05,840
you know there's like I think there's

725
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,840
only two sagatucks in America and is the

726
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,440
one that I think most people know of and

727
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,440
you know it's it's it's a kind of a

728
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:13,279
interesting word it's a native it speaks

729
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,880
back to the Native American connection

730
00:27:13,279 --> 00:27:16,880
you know to the rivermouth communities

731
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:19,600
here I think it's just I I think it was

732
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:22,240
great that the team really leaned into

733
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:24,640
the name as opposed to

734
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:27,120
» Icons or it was really good

735
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:29,120
» It's clear and and I take put anything

736
00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:30,480
away with Saga Douglas what however they

737
00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:31,919
combined us three of them or anything

738
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:34,880
but we're saga talk

739
00:27:31,919 --> 00:27:36,640
» We are I mean and it's it's it's perfect

740
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,799
» It's great

741
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,799
» When you license this for a sweatshirt

742
00:27:38,799 --> 00:27:44,640
I'm buying the first one

743
00:27:40,799 --> 00:27:47,039
» I think it could be number

744
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,720
the first one is not on counselor

745
00:27:47,039 --> 00:27:50,240
» Again like keep the top secret until

746
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,960
Jake lock locks it down

747
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:54,320
» That'll be $300 each

748
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,000
» You might have to have arrangements with

749
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,840
different t-shirt companies in town to

750
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,120
have to be the official supplier of the

751
00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,679
saga talk. Da da da.

752
00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:00,960
» Yeah.

753
00:27:59,679 --> 00:28:01,840
» Yeah. No, for sure.

754
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,520
» Yeah. Welcome,

755
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,799
» Russ.

756
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,399
» And we're journed.

757
00:28:04,799 --> 00:28:07,039
» Yeah.

758
00:28:06,399 --> 00:28:10,240
» Perfect.

759
00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:11,840
» Look, Russ, we all like it so far.

760
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,520
» Hi.

761
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,600
» You didn't get to feel the whole

762
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:17,279
presentation up

763
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:20,440
» When it's posted. You'll have to watch

764
00:28:17,279 --> 00:28:20,440
the whole

765
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:26,399
» One last thing. I think Scott, to your

766
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:28,720
point about protection, um, we'll work

767
00:28:26,399 --> 00:28:31,760
with, you know, concept A, we can chat

768
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:34,080
about this afterwards, but,

769
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,919
uh, usually, you know, you can go in

770
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:38,799
once we protect it, you can go in and

771
00:28:35,919 --> 00:28:41,919
pull it off. We may just not want to

772
00:28:38,799 --> 00:28:43,039
have a version that is without city of

773
00:28:41,919 --> 00:28:45,200
period

774
00:28:43,039 --> 00:28:46,559
» Because I'm totally making this up. But

775
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,480
if we had a drugstore that wanted to

776
00:28:46,559 --> 00:28:50,720
pull that off and say we're Sagatuck

777
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,840
drugstore or Sagatuck Brewery, you could

778
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,880
pull that off and say

779
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,600
» That's a really good point.

780
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,440
» Yeah.

781
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,039
» City locked up on it,

782
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,840
» That may give us even a little more

783
00:28:57,039 --> 00:28:59,840
protection.

784
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:02,799
» Right. Good point. And now that we're

785
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:04,960
kind of going into this a little bit, I

786
00:29:02,799 --> 00:29:05,919
would almost want to well, I think we're

787
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,240
good particularly with the city of

788
00:29:05,919 --> 00:29:10,799
Sagatuck and perhaps the date as well,

789
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:14,960
but it is there are some similarities to

790
00:29:10,799 --> 00:29:17,520
the the um kind of rainbowy sign over by

791
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:20,480
Wix Park. I don't know if the font is

792
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,880
that close or not. I think it's okay. I

793
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:21,679
don't know about

794
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,279
» Oh, I know what you're talking

795
00:29:21,679 --> 00:29:25,760
» I know what you're talking about, but

796
00:29:23,279 --> 00:29:27,039
» But without seeing it without seeing it

797
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,279
» Oh, right. Right. Right. without seeing

798
00:29:27,039 --> 00:29:30,960
it. I can't say if it's if there's an

799
00:29:29,279 --> 00:29:34,240
issue there or not.

800
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:36,799
» I think I don't think so. Um it's it's a

801
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,760
vibe of nostalgia, but I think it's not

802
00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:39,120
an overlap.

803
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,440
» Okay. Gotcha.

804
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,159
» And

805
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:44,240
» Do we need to put a trademark or somehow

806
00:29:42,159 --> 00:29:46,320
put something in, you know, itty bitty

807
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,960
before we put this on the website even

808
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,320
to share

809
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:51,039
» The TM underneath the

810
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:52,480
» Yeah. to share with the packet. I mean,

811
00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:53,840
because we were going to post all of

812
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,600
this, right?

813
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:58,000
» Okay. I can I can follow up with you

814
00:29:55,600 --> 00:30:00,080
right after this. Can Do we have like a

815
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,320
a day before we post or how long do we

816
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:01,120
have?

817
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,399
» Yeah, you guys.

818
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,600
» Yeah, we can get the packet out on

819
00:30:02,399 --> 00:30:05,679
Friday and have Yep.

820
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,760
» Or could you put like a watermark on it

821
00:30:05,679 --> 00:30:09,440
or something? You know,

822
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,480
» I don't know. Can you

823
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,440
» I'm happy to follow up.

824
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,760
» Okay, that'd be great.

825
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,440
» I think usually with IP, the fact that

826
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,120
Council Update created this for us, I

827
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,240
think we're pretty much protected

828
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,760
already, but then there's some more

829
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,960
steps we can take, I think, just to

830
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:24,480
avoid copycats and the like. I think I

831
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,120
I'm not sure that there's a real risk of

832
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:28,240
like suddenly

833
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:30,480
» Yeah, I know. Well, you never know.

834
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:33,440
» Yeah. Well, fab I mean

835
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:35,679
» The merchandise shops around town

836
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:38,159
that I mean [clears throat] that

837
00:30:35,679 --> 00:30:40,159
» It is a is a real possibility, you know,

838
00:30:38,159 --> 00:30:40,960
so Oh, I think it's guaranteed that

839
00:30:40,159 --> 00:30:42,240
they're going to want to do it.

840
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,799
» Yeah, definitely.

841
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,039
» Good point.

842
00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:48,640
» Oh, great. So, what are the next steps

843
00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:51,200
for council Brian? So next steps are uh

844
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:53,679
we'll plan on having um your approval of

845
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:55,919
this on the agenda for Monday and then

846
00:30:53,679 --> 00:30:58,399
assuming you uh approve then concept day

847
00:30:55,919 --> 00:31:00,640
is going to kind of put together that uh

848
00:30:58,399 --> 00:31:02,720
set of brand guidelines uh to then bring

849
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:05,279
back that that final package for you to

850
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:07,200
to sign off on um as well. But we want

851
00:31:05,279 --> 00:31:09,760
to make sure that everybody's there's an

852
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:11,360
approved logo and uh and everything else

853
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,120
before they they kind of do that that

854
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:16,000
next step with the work. So

855
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:17,919
» Great. Well, thanks to the team. What a

856
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,279
great job all of you. Um,

857
00:31:17,919 --> 00:31:21,039
» Home home run.

858
00:31:19,279 --> 00:31:23,039
» Great. Well, that takes us to discussion

859
00:31:21,039 --> 00:31:25,520
item C, which is the right-of-way permit

860
00:31:23,039 --> 00:31:28,240
application, no less important uh for

861
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:30,000
731 uh Pleasant Street. Thank you,

862
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,159
Grayson. Thanks, Kristen, for joining

863
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:35,399
us.

864
00:31:32,159 --> 00:31:35,399
» Thanks, Tim.

865
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,679
» Not less important, but a little less

866
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:41,919
exciting. Um, our applicants proposing

867
00:31:39,679 --> 00:31:43,919
some rightway installations. Uh, and

868
00:31:41,919 --> 00:31:46,720
that kind of includes several retaining

869
00:31:43,919 --> 00:31:50,640
walls, some hardcaping, uh, redoing the

870
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:52,880
driveway, and adding um a staircase. Uh,

871
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,640
historically, um, like many of the homes

872
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,960
on Pleasant Street, it's contained

873
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,480
landscaping, a staircase, some water

874
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,840
features, boulders, and some other

875
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,440
improvements that are located in the

876
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:04,240
rightway.

877
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,679
Um while the proposed improvements uh do

878
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,840
represent a significant private

879
00:32:05,679 --> 00:32:09,919
investment within the city's rightway,

880
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:12,000
the steep slope that's on Pleasant

881
00:32:09,919 --> 00:32:14,559
Street uh extending from the edge of the

882
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,640
pavement uh really substantially limits

883
00:32:14,559 --> 00:32:19,360
the likelihood of the area being needed

884
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,720
for future public use. Uh from a

885
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:23,039
planning and zoning perspective, there

886
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,720
were no significant concerns. Uh after

887
00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:27,279
speaking with our city engineer, he

888
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:29,039
noted some minor drainage modifications

889
00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:31,679
uh which could easily be addressed uh

890
00:32:29,039 --> 00:32:33,440
through an amendment of the plan. uh and

891
00:32:31,679 --> 00:32:35,519
he was in agreement that the final

892
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:38,320
decision on the installation is really

893
00:32:35,519 --> 00:32:39,919
policy leaning for the council. Uh as

894
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:43,360
there are no objections from the

895
00:32:39,919 --> 00:32:45,039
engineer standpoint either. Uh I put the

896
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:47,600
council considerations for the rideway

897
00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:50,320
installations on page 18 of your packet.

898
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:54,120
Uh and the applicant is also online to

899
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:54,120
help answer any questions.

900
00:32:54,559 --> 00:32:58,640
» Chris, [laughter] you know a little bit

901
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,480
about the street, huh? We live right

902
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,480
across the street from this and I I

903
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,559
think this is is an exciting proposal

904
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,000
where I'm where I'm going to raise my

905
00:33:04,559 --> 00:33:08,320
questions. I don't know how many years

906
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:10,159
ago there was a seven inch rain within a

907
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,760
certain amount of time and if I remember

908
00:33:10,159 --> 00:33:14,240
almost all of the houses along there had

909
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:17,919
to go back in and do resupport because

910
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:22,559
it weakened quite a few things. Um this

911
00:33:17,919 --> 00:33:24,720
is very steep and what will the fill be

912
00:33:22,559 --> 00:33:26,480
to create these terraces going down?

913
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,480
Where will the fill come from? Because

914
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:30,240
when you look off of Pleasant, there's

915
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,360
maybe from here to there and then it's

916
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,399
straight down. But they're going to

917
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,159
terrace that.

918
00:33:32,399 --> 00:33:36,640
» Where will the fill come in? I don't

919
00:33:34,159 --> 00:33:38,159
want any I sure there's no guarantee,

920
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:41,039
but you know, I wouldn't want any kind

921
00:33:38,159 --> 00:33:41,679
of u sinkhole

922
00:33:41,039 --> 00:33:42,159
» Happening,

923
00:33:41,679 --> 00:33:43,840
» Right?

924
00:33:42,159 --> 00:33:45,919
» I believe there are engineers online, so

925
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,360
I'll let him fully answer that. Um but I

926
00:33:45,919 --> 00:33:49,440
do want to note that those were the

927
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,480
engineers concerns as well. So that was

928
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:50,960
something he felt they could work

929
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,960
through.

930
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,960
» Okay.

931
00:33:55,440 --> 00:34:01,679
is Eric. Eric is uh he's on his he's

932
00:33:59,919 --> 00:34:06,720
still driving. He got caught up in some

933
00:34:01,679 --> 00:34:11,639
traffic. He said, "Hi, Eric. Can you

934
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:11,639
can you fill in on this the filling

935
00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:16,079
» Me

936
00:34:14,879 --> 00:34:17,839
being safe?"

937
00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:21,359
» Yeah.

938
00:34:17,839 --> 00:34:24,079
» All right. Can uh can everybody

939
00:34:21,359 --> 00:34:26,399
Yeah.

940
00:34:24,079 --> 00:34:28,879
Okay. All right. So, yeah, sorry, I was

941
00:34:26,399 --> 00:34:30,800
caught up in an accident on 31 there

942
00:34:28,879 --> 00:34:31,919
trying to get through Holland, but I am

943
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:36,000
right around the corner and I'll be

944
00:34:31,919 --> 00:34:38,879
there in a second. Um, but I can explain

945
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:43,119
the fill situation. So, the engineering

946
00:34:38,879 --> 00:34:46,720
that goes behind this wall is all three

947
00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:50,320
quart by half inch crushed limestone.

948
00:34:46,720 --> 00:34:54,399
Um, so there that is going to be a very

949
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:58,880
porous material. uh no fines. Uh we use

950
00:34:54,399 --> 00:35:01,760
a geoexile fabric to be able to separate

951
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:05,359
the clean aggregate from the native

952
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:09,599
soils. So when we have situations where

953
00:35:05,359 --> 00:35:12,000
there's a uh a large amount of rain,

954
00:35:09,599 --> 00:35:15,839
we've got the clean aggregate that

955
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:17,599
washes the rain through the engineering

956
00:35:15,839 --> 00:35:20,640
behind the wall. And then we have

957
00:35:17,599 --> 00:35:23,040
footing drains on all of the walls to be

958
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:24,800
able to alleviate any hydraulic pressure

959
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:29,599
that

960
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:33,040
could potentially still be there. Um

961
00:35:29,599 --> 00:35:35,920
the massive amount of tonnage of the

962
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:38,320
stone that's used behind the wall, we've

963
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:41,440
never seen any hydraulic pressure be

964
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:45,280
created, but uh the footing drains are

965
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:48,240
there for added security.

966
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:50,640
Will the driveway stay the same?

967
00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:53,280
» The driveway footprint will stay the

968
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:56,160
same. Um it's just the additional

969
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:58,880
parking areas uh within the rightway

970
00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:01,040
that we're going to create

971
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:04,000
» To create some off

972
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:05,119
» At 12:00. That's our picket fence right

973
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:08,640
there. Yeah.

974
00:36:05,119 --> 00:36:10,079
» So, we you know have have seen lots of

975
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,839
rain and everything and I I haven't

976
00:36:10,079 --> 00:36:13,599
noticed any problems since the that

977
00:36:11,839 --> 00:36:16,160
time. forget how many years ago it was

978
00:36:13,599 --> 00:36:18,079
and short up. Uh but I did have a

979
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,440
concern about what the fill would be if

980
00:36:18,079 --> 00:36:23,119
you're especially going to put a parking

981
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:23,760
lot there or parking for how many cars?

982
00:36:23,119 --> 00:36:25,599
» One car.

983
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:28,880
» Just one car. There's going to be one

984
00:36:25,599 --> 00:36:31,760
just one more space added to the sorry

985
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:35,520
the front um right around where the

986
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:38,320
mailbox is in the front between the that

987
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:41,280
we're going to have that space between

988
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:44,800
the retaining wall and the street.

989
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:46,640
There'll be just one one lot or one

990
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:50,705
space for one car.

991
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,705
» Thanks. Hi neighbors. [laughter]

992
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:55,440
» That that alleviates my concerns. Yeah,

993
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:59,440
» Scott.

994
00:36:55,440 --> 00:37:02,480
» Um I trust staff's recommendation and I

995
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:05,040
and I trust the engineering. Um my only

996
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:06,560
question is um you know and it's it's

997
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,960
about the new parking pad and the new

998
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:12,560
and the slope to the new pad which would

999
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:13,839
be in this the uh city's right of way on

1000
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:17,359
Pleasant Street. So that's the closest

1001
00:37:13,839 --> 00:37:20,560
part to Pleasant Street. Um, what kind

1002
00:37:17,359 --> 00:37:22,800
of precedent does this create as we move

1003
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:24,960
forward with what is going to be a very,

1004
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,560
I think, difficult and complicated

1005
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:30,240
project on Park Street

1006
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:33,680
» Where we have the the need to make it

1007
00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:36,320
safer for the public to to to navigate

1008
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:38,560
Park Street and we probably are going to

1009
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:40,240
have to deal with

1010
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,839
new parking pads that are in the

1011
00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:43,520
easement, you know. So suddenly we're

1012
00:37:41,839 --> 00:37:45,119
going to approve one for the for the

1013
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:48,480
easement and we're going to probably be

1014
00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:51,440
doing the opposite. I would suspect I

1015
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:54,400
can't say that as a matter of fact, but

1016
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:56,480
we know that there are pads and

1017
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:58,160
driveways in the city's easement that

1018
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,760
are going to be problematic as we move

1019
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:02,960
forward on the Park Street project. So

1020
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:05,920
how do we square these two issues? Yeah,

1021
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:08,320
I think this uh street is unique um in

1022
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:10,880
that I don't you know there's just no

1023
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:12,800
room um first of all as you know we

1024
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,320
approved no parking on that street on

1025
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,440
the actual street because it's just too

1026
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:18,000
narrow right

1027
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:20,160
» Um on that side of the street you know

1028
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:22,960
there's not even room to put a sidewalk

1029
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:25,839
or any kind of anything so it's it's

1030
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:28,240
almost like it's not usable by the city

1031
00:38:25,839 --> 00:38:30,000
um as far as what I would believe to be

1032
00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:32,400
true I think it's just a different

1033
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:34,480
situation with Park Street

1034
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,920
Yeah, but it's a it's a good point.

1035
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:38,320
» You make a valid point. And you know,

1036
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,920
the no parking on park on Pleasant

1037
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:42,800
Street, you know, which was which was

1038
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:45,920
unpopular. Um, but it was at the request

1039
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:48,320
of the fire department. Um, so I guess

1040
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:51,359
this might be a time for,

1041
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:52,880
you know, Jake to appine if if if, you

1042
00:38:51,359 --> 00:38:55,440
know, we're setting ourselves up for

1043
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:57,119
complications on, you know, another

1044
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,640
street, a busy street like that is a

1045
00:38:57,119 --> 00:39:00,960
very, you know, much different traffic

1046
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:02,079
flow, but nevertheless, we'll have some

1047
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,440
similar issues on

1048
00:39:02,079 --> 00:39:08,160
» City.

1049
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:10,000
» Well, I think there's always, you know,

1050
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,599
room for complication when you get these

1051
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:14,400
kind of requests. But the good thing is

1052
00:39:11,599 --> 00:39:18,079
that each of these requests are going to

1053
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:23,280
be evaluated on their own merits. So the

1054
00:39:18,079 --> 00:39:25,119
the council has a list of

1055
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,480
» I'm sorry. I think Eric, you might still

1056
00:39:25,119 --> 00:39:30,480
have your phone on and I'm getting the

1057
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:32,800
audio fed back to me.

1058
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:34,400
» I wanted to say I agree totally with

1059
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,800
Lauren. I'm very familiar with that

1060
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:38,480
property. I knew the previous owners and

1061
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:41,280
I know the owners of the properties on

1062
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:44,880
both sides. um there would be never a

1063
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:47,119
way to make a a sidewalk or to widen the

1064
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:50,640
road um on that side of the street

1065
00:39:47,119 --> 00:39:51,680
anyway. Um so I would feel comfortable

1066
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,400
um with saying yes.

1067
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:56,000
» Well, in in in terms of establishing,

1068
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,000
right, the thing that I think is

1069
00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:02,079
important for the council to do is just

1070
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:04,480
identify the the special characteristics

1071
00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:06,720
that that are pushing the council in the

1072
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,240
direction of approving this request

1073
00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:10,240
where where other requests might be

1074
00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:12,240
denied. And so I mean what I got out of

1075
00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:14,400
the staff report and and what council

1076
00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:17,119
member Muny was just pointing out is the

1077
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:18,880
the extreme grade you know that is

1078
00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:21,680
unique to that property and it also

1079
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:24,400
makes that part of the rightway very

1080
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:28,000
ills suited for public improvements.

1081
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:29,839
Um you know things of that nature so

1082
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:32,880
long as there are valid reasons you know

1083
00:40:29,839 --> 00:40:34,800
why the city is is granting this request

1084
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,920
and not granting other requests. I

1085
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,240
wouldn't be concerned about the

1086
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:40,720
precedent because again each request is

1087
00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:42,400
is taken on its own merits.

1088
00:40:40,720 --> 00:40:43,839
» Okay. Thanks Jake. That's that's what I

1089
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,359
need to hear. So I have no further

1090
00:40:43,839 --> 00:40:46,800
concerns.

1091
00:40:45,359 --> 00:40:49,520
» Thank you Madam Mayor. This may be a

1092
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:53,040
stupid question but don't most driveways

1093
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:54,880
intrude upon the public rightway.

1094
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:57,040
I mean when they go from the street to

1095
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,560
the to the house they're going across

1096
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,000
the public rightway every time.

1097
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:02,000
» Right.

1098
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,359
» So

1099
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,440
yeah I don't have a problem with it at

1100
00:41:03,359 --> 00:41:06,079
all. Other questions, discussion points,

1101
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,720
Russ?

1102
00:41:06,079 --> 00:41:12,319
» Yeah. Um, so looking at the staff

1103
00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:14,800
review, the page um, 17, the last

1104
00:41:12,319 --> 00:41:16,480
paragraph, the city engineer indicated

1105
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,680
that allowing the proposed patio,

1106
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,880
stairs, landscaping, and parking

1107
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,800
improvements within the Pleasant Street

1108
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:23,200
rightway is primarily a policy decision,

1109
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,640
which I agree with. Um, the proposed

1110
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,000
improvements do not appear to

1111
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,599
significantly increase existing

1112
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,119
encroachments and are not anticipated to

1113
00:41:27,599 --> 00:41:30,640
interfere with future road or utility

1114
00:41:29,119 --> 00:41:32,319
improvements, which is we've we've been

1115
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,920
talking a little bit about that.

1116
00:41:32,319 --> 00:41:36,800
accordingly no objections from an

1117
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:37,920
engineering standpoint. So um as it also

1118
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,520
says in the recommendation one of the

1119
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:42,240
council considerations is to make sure

1120
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:44,160
that the um you know either in this case

1121
00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:46,880
the engineer or staff department sign

1122
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:50,560
off on this. My concern is two there's

1123
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:52,160
twofold. One is that this doesn't appear

1124
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,359
to create a larger issue than there

1125
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,640
might already be based on some of the

1126
00:41:53,359 --> 00:41:56,720
questions are coming from council member

1127
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,880
Peterson who's you know seen this

1128
00:41:56,720 --> 00:42:00,560
property for a long time. That would be

1129
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,800
my concern because you've still got

1130
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:04,160
issues going down the hill down to Lake

1131
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,000
Street as well. So, there's a lot of

1132
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,440
runoff and there's been issues with

1133
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,640
properties over on State Street with

1134
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,240
runoff and I don't know that this

1135
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:12,480
contributes to that at all. I'm not

1136
00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:14,160
saying that. But that's where my concern

1137
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,760
is. And then if we have sign off from

1138
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,119
everybody that none of those issues are

1139
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,440
going to continue to be issues or this

1140
00:42:17,119 --> 00:42:21,440
is going to contribute to it, then I I

1141
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:23,920
will trust the engineering opinion. From

1142
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:26,319
a policy standpoint, as I think Jake has

1143
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,599
mentioned, you know, we have a lot of

1144
00:42:26,319 --> 00:42:29,760
these situations. I think about the

1145
00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:32,000
heartscaping over on Simonson. We want

1146
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:34,079
to be careful because

1147
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:37,280
they put there that hardcaping was put

1148
00:42:34,079 --> 00:42:39,280
in for I think appearances or aesthetics

1149
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:41,520
as opposed to this is for just usability

1150
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:43,680
of the property and also protecting the

1151
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:45,359
property with the retaining walls etc.

1152
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,880
So I I just want to make sure that we're

1153
00:42:45,359 --> 00:42:48,640
not putting ourselves in a position of

1154
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:50,160
causing a risk at Simonson or other

1155
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:52,480
properties on Park Street or other areas

1156
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:54,960
that we have to look at that this is

1157
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:57,520
unique enough that we can say this is a

1158
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,839
very unique permitted right of way,

1159
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,359
» Right?

1160
00:42:57,839 --> 00:43:01,040
» And it needs to be done in such a way

1161
00:42:59,359 --> 00:43:02,079
that it doesn't open us up to risk in

1162
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,880
other areas.

1163
00:43:02,079 --> 00:43:05,440
» Is it right above you?

1164
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,279
» Yes.

1165
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,839
» So you're hoping that it works, too?

1166
00:43:07,279 --> 00:43:09,520
[laughter]

1167
00:43:07,839 --> 00:43:12,079
» Yeah. I mean, obviously the drainage

1168
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:15,359
definitely needs to be addressed to make

1169
00:43:12,079 --> 00:43:16,319
sure um there's no additional problems.

1170
00:43:15,359 --> 00:43:18,560
Um

1171
00:43:16,319 --> 00:43:20,480
» I say we actually we discussed all of

1172
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:22,160
those concerns as well before kind of

1173
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:24,960
putting the report together. Uh

1174
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:26,960
specifically the previously denied uh

1175
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,160
right ofway encroachments. Um and for

1176
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,440
the reasons you mentioned, we felt that

1177
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,760
this one could be appropriate from a

1178
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:34,400
policy perspective. The notes that the

1179
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:36,160
engineer made uh did note the historic

1180
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,920
uh flooding of the site and just kind of

1181
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,839
the drainage and how that would work.

1182
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:42,640
I'm sure the engineer could make that

1183
00:43:39,839 --> 00:43:45,280
sound more professional, but uh those

1184
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:46,640
were what was noted and so he felt

1185
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,640
comfortable that it could be addressed.

1186
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:50,240
» How did that lawsuit come out?

1187
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:54,079
» You remember?

1188
00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:56,640
» Um I believe um the ones down next door

1189
00:43:54,079 --> 00:44:00,960
to me won the lawsuit. So they had to

1190
00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:03,280
fix the drainage issue. So

1191
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,920
» Other questions?

1192
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,359
All right.

1193
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,200
» The only thing I I would just add, you

1194
00:44:05,359 --> 00:44:08,720
know, mayor and council is just that,

1195
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,079
you know, the end of the day, I mean,

1196
00:44:08,720 --> 00:44:11,280
property owners have to understand, too,

1197
00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:12,400
there's a level of risk here for them,

1198
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:15,040
too. And at the end of the day, it still

1199
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:17,839
is the city's right away. Um, you know,

1200
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:20,160
this is not a permanent in perpetuity

1201
00:44:17,839 --> 00:44:22,240
type approval. Um, Grayson's going to

1202
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:24,240
work with legal to come up with uh

1203
00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:26,880
pretty probably a pretty robust set of

1204
00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:28,560
conditions and uh approval criteria here

1205
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:32,319
so everybody understands that and what's

1206
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:33,760
on that what's on the permit. Um um so

1207
00:44:32,319 --> 00:44:35,920
you know worst case scenario in the

1208
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:37,200
future if there is a need to make some

1209
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,880
sort of improvements in this area.

1210
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,880
Obviously, the city will still have a a

1211
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:42,800
right uh to do that, but I think your

1212
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,079
your discussion today actually was was

1213
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,040
very good as far as uh kind of

1214
00:44:44,079 --> 00:44:46,400
distinguishing some unique

1215
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,440
characteristics of the property and how

1216
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,880
it differs from some others you've

1217
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,800
denied, as well as some others that you

1218
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,560
might have to make some changes on uh

1219
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:55,040
along Park Street as we get into that

1220
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:57,440
project more. So,

1221
00:44:55,040 --> 00:45:01,920
great. Anything else before we wrap this

1222
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:05,359
up? Okay. Um that takes us to the public

1223
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:06,960
comment period. Um, anyone in the room

1224
00:45:05,359 --> 00:45:09,760
wish to make a public comment? Could be

1225
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:12,000
about anything at all.

1226
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:14,000
Okay. Uh, anyone online wish to make a

1227
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,599
public comment?

1228
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,599
» Um, yes.

1229
00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:22,160
» Oh, yes. Okay.

1230
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:22,560
» It's still looking for my hand up there.

1231
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:23,520
» There you go.

1232
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,280
» There he is.

1233
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:28,079
» All right.

1234
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:30,880
Um, I appreciate the time you everybody.

1235
00:45:28,079 --> 00:45:32,319
Um, we are definitely, you know, we're

1236
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:35,599
wanting to make a large investment in

1237
00:45:32,319 --> 00:45:39,839
our property there. Um, we are looking

1238
00:45:35,599 --> 00:45:45,359
forward to enhancing the landscaping and

1239
00:45:39,839 --> 00:45:48,400
the street. Um, we are, um, this

1240
00:45:45,359 --> 00:45:51,280
drainage is a huge factor that we are

1241
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:53,280
considering with this whole project. Uh

1242
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:55,280
right now there's a lot of water that

1243
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:58,400
comes directly into our driveway from

1244
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:59,760
the street and we have our we have no

1245
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:02,079
drainage. Everything is just kind of

1246
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:04,640
reabsorbed through the sand there. It's

1247
00:46:02,079 --> 00:46:08,720
really pretty poor. Um there are

1248
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:11,119
drainage lines. So um we are looking to

1249
00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:13,680
yeah connect to all these drainage lines

1250
00:46:11,119 --> 00:46:16,720
and make sure everything um drains

1251
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:19,119
appropriately. Um, we're looking forward

1252
00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:20,880
to it and this is our home and looking

1253
00:46:19,119 --> 00:46:24,079
forward to enhancing it as much as we

1254
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:25,280
can. We appreciate your help.

1255
00:46:24,079 --> 00:46:26,560
» Great. Thank you.

1256
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,560
» Yeah.

1257
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,760
» Any other public comments? Yeah.

1258
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:33,200
» Add to that as well.

1259
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:34,640
» Sure. If you could um say your name and

1260
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,480
» Yes. My name is Eric Rosendall with

1261
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:38,880
Lakeshore Property Services. Uh the

1262
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:41,920
contractor looking to do the project at

1263
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:43,839
731 Pleasant. Um yeah, the drainage was

1264
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:47,040
a big issue. One of the first things

1265
00:46:43,839 --> 00:46:48,560
that we looked at, uh, Christopher had

1266
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,079
let us know, Christopher and Louis had

1267
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:52,319
let us know that there was no drainage

1268
00:46:50,079 --> 00:46:54,400
for the driveway. So, that's why the

1269
00:46:52,319 --> 00:46:57,200
cement in the driveway be removed so we

1270
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:59,440
can put in proper drainage to be able to

1271
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:01,520
get that down to the bottom of the hill.

1272
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:03,440
Put in some infiltration areas so that

1273
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:06,480
we can get that and it's not just

1274
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:07,920
running off. Um, the patio area and

1275
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:10,400
everything, we know that's going to

1276
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:12,400
create more impervious surface uh, with

1277
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:14,079
a lower patio area. So, we've got a

1278
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:16,480
drainage system planned for that as

1279
00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:18,720
well, so we can infiltrate and then all

1280
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:21,440
the excess water if there is a 7-in

1281
00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:24,720
flood that can be then piped down to the

1282
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:27,760
lower area. Um, we've done these sorts

1283
00:47:24,720 --> 00:47:29,280
of retaining walls many times. There's a

1284
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:32,240
ton of engineering that goes behind

1285
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:34,560
them, a ton of grid and uh geoexile

1286
00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:37,280
fabric. So, it's going to be a very

1287
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:38,880
involved process, but we know through

1288
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:41,520
all the steps that we've taken in the

1289
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:43,520
past that we can make this stable and be

1290
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:45,440
able to hold everything in place with

1291
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,480
whatever water is thrown at it.

1292
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,800
» Great. Thank you.

1293
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:52,160
» Yeah. Any questions?

1294
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:54,240
» Okay. Anyone else online?

1295
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:56,079
» Okay, that closes public comments. That

1296
00:47:54,240 --> 00:47:57,760
takes us to council comments. Chris, do

1297
00:47:56,079 --> 00:47:58,720
you want to start? No comments, mayor.

1298
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,319
Okay. Gross.

1299
00:47:58,720 --> 00:48:02,160
» No comments. Thank you,

1300
00:48:00,319 --> 00:48:04,160
» Scott. Uh just compliments to the

1301
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,119
branding team on their presentation.

1302
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,359
» Greg agree.

1303
00:48:05,119 --> 00:48:10,319
» Uh just uh uh real quick, I would like

1304
00:48:07,359 --> 00:48:12,880
to um uh uh say congratulations to the

1305
00:48:10,319 --> 00:48:14,800
property owners and to the uh to our

1306
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:17,359
river, the city of Sagatuck for the

1307
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:20,160
grant that was received uh from Eagle

1308
00:48:17,359 --> 00:48:22,160
for the removal of the um the gas tank

1309
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:24,559
at River Market, what we knew as River

1310
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:26,720
Market. They received a $1 million grant

1311
00:48:24,559 --> 00:48:29,119
from Eagle to remove that and clean up

1312
00:48:26,720 --> 00:48:30,559
that mess. and which is great news for

1313
00:48:29,119 --> 00:48:32,319
the property owner, but I think it's

1314
00:48:30,559 --> 00:48:35,839
also good news for the residents here

1315
00:48:32,319 --> 00:48:38,559
and for the uh health of our river. So,

1316
00:48:35,839 --> 00:48:39,920
I think that was a great thing and and

1317
00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:41,599
uh just wanted to denote that.

1318
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,720
» Great. Thanks, Gregory.

1319
00:48:41,599 --> 00:48:44,160
» Nothing further, Mayor.

1320
00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:45,839
» Yeah, I'm just going to say one more

1321
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:49,040
time, I love the logo. I think it was

1322
00:48:45,839 --> 00:48:50,880
great work. Very creative. It's always

1323
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:53,680
it's just great to see it come together

1324
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:55,119
and I'm excited. So, with that, who

1325
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,319
would like to make a motion to adjurnn?

1326
00:48:55,119 --> 00:49:00,880
» I'll make a motion to adjurnn.

1327
00:48:56,319 --> 00:49:00,880
» Second. All in favor say yes. Yes.