[0:06] I'd like to call to order the city of
[0:08] Sagatuck city council workshop for
[0:11] August 19th, 2026.
[0:14] Jamie, will you call the role?
[0:15] » Anderson
[0:16] » Here.
[0:17] » Clark Dean
[0:19] » Here.
[0:20] » Gardner Muny
[0:22] » Here.
[0:23] » Peterson
[0:23] » Here.
[0:24] » Stan
[0:24] » Here.
[0:25] » We have Corum. Um Russ is running late
[0:27] so he will be here. Um and Joe is not
[0:30] here. So can I get a motion to excuse
[0:32] Joe from this evening's meeting or
[0:34] » Madame Mayor? I move we u excuse council
[0:37] member uh Clark from the today's
[0:39] meeting.
[0:39] » Second.
[0:40] » All in favor say yes. Yes. Any opposed?
[0:44] Motion carries. Agenda changes. Uh we
[0:46] talked um informally.
[0:49] » Yes. um about the short-term rental uh
[0:52] licensing uh resolution, which is 7B,
[0:55] and pushing that to the next meeting
[0:57] when we have all of our council members
[0:59] here.
[1:00] » Yeah. I'll make a motion to move
[1:04] » I unfortunately I'd like to but we
[1:06] haven't changed anything. Right. Right.
[1:08] » Uh I'd like to make a motion to change
[1:10] uh discussion item 7V to our next
[1:13] workshop so that all council folks are
[1:16] present during that discussion. Second.
[1:20] » All in favor. Jamie, this all in favor
[1:23] say yes.
[1:23] » Yes.
[1:24] » Any opposed? Motion carries. Sorry,
[1:26] Rash. Good to see you. [laughter]
[1:31] » You get a walk in.
[1:33] » You got the steps. Um,
[1:36] » We have no guest speaker. Uh, so that
[1:38] takes us to public comment on agenda
[1:40] items only. Anyone in the room wish to
[1:43] make a public comment?
[1:46] Anyone online wish to make a comment?
[1:48] Raise your Zoom hand.
[1:52] All right. I don't see any. Do you,
[1:53] Jamie?
[1:53] » I do not.
[1:54] » All right.
[1:55] » I'm
[1:57] This is Christopher Hul. I'm sorry. I
[1:59] don't I'm not really good on this uh
[2:01] Zoom meeting, so I didn't know how to
[2:03] raise my hand on here.
[2:04] » Okay. Uh go ahead. You have three
[2:06] minutes. And if you can um reference the
[2:08] agenda item you wish to address.
[2:11] » Yeah. This is uh Christopher Hal, 731
[2:13] Pleasant Street. Uh so it's agenda item
[2:16] I guess uh C um rightway application
[2:20] permit. So um Lewis Allen and myself um
[2:25] are owners of the property and we're
[2:27] here for the um meeting to discuss this
[2:30] the um
[2:33] proposed um application. So, just wanted
[2:36] to give a let you know we're here online
[2:39] and we are um looking forward to this uh
[2:42] committee meeting.
[2:44] » Excellent. Well, thank you for joining
[2:46] us. Um anyone else on Zoom wish to speak
[2:51] and anyone else in the room wish to make
[2:53] a public comment?
[2:55] » Okay. Uh we'll close public comment and
[2:58] move to action items starting with the
[3:00] approval of the regular city council me
[3:03] meeting minutes from August 10th. Can I
[3:05] get a motion?
[3:06] » U Madame Mayor, I'll move to approve the
[3:09] regular city council meeting minutes
[3:10] from August 10th, 2026.
[3:13] » I'll second.
[3:14] » Any discussion before we vote?
[3:16] » Okay, it's a roll call vote.
[3:18] » Anderson,
[3:19] » Yes.
[3:19] » Dean,
[3:20] » Yes.
[3:21] » My
[3:21] » Yes.
[3:22] » Peterson,
[3:23] » Yes.
[3:23] » Stanton,
[3:24] » Yes.
[3:24] » Motion carries. Great. That takes us to
[3:28] discussion items. Uh 7A is the
[3:30] presentation on recommended brand
[3:32] direction. Quick reminder that um both
[3:34] Chris and Lauren from council were part
[3:36] of this. Um Ryan, do you want to tee it
[3:38] up or have town just dive in or how do
[3:41] you want to handle?
[3:42] » Yeah, just just briefly. Mayor, as you
[3:45] uh all know, you formed a yeah branding
[3:47] advisory committee which uh included
[3:48] myself, council members Peterson,
[3:50] Stanton, uh Tim Straker from our
[3:52] historic district uh commission, and
[3:53] Kristen Armstrong from the Sagatuck
[3:56] Center for the Arts. and uh you uh all
[3:58] approved a proposal from um concept uh A
[4:02] uh to help us with this project and and
[4:04] come up with uh a recommendation uh for
[4:07] you. So, I'm going to turn it over to uh
[4:09] Mr. Straker and concept A to kind of
[4:11] walk through uh the the presentation and
[4:14] go from there.
[4:15] » Real quick, Ryan, was it this wasn't
[4:16] included in our packet, was it?
[4:18] » Correct. We'll get you a copy of the
[4:20] presentation and and make sure it's
[4:22] » To get for people to see the hear the
[4:23] context for it before they've looked at
[4:25] the um design.
[4:27] » Okay.
[4:29] » Okay. Hello everyone.
[4:31] » Hey Tim.
[4:32] » Um I won't repeat what uh Ryan just
[4:35] said, but I will say um I think all the
[4:38] members of the committee are here.
[4:39] » Yeah, that's great.
[4:40] » Yes. So uh it was a really good
[4:42] committee and a really good process.
[4:43] Kudos to concept A for how they led us
[4:47] through this um how they listened to our
[4:49] feedback. I think every um committee
[4:52] member had a point of view and um
[4:54] concept A did a really nice job of
[4:56] listening to that and providing feedback
[4:58] uh against that. So what you're seeing
[5:00] today is the result of uh a few
[5:02] different rounds of um working against
[5:05] the goals and objectives. So I'd like to
[5:07] start there. Jamie, if you want to swip
[5:10] to the next page. Thank you. So just to
[5:13] ground ourselves on the goals and
[5:15] objectives for this project. Um the goal
[5:18] of the rebranding project, we wanted to
[5:20] create a modern identity that reflects
[5:23] the authentic character of our community
[5:25] and something that captures the culture,
[5:27] the natural beauty, um the charm, the
[5:30] sophistication in a way that feels
[5:34] said said no better than this distinctly
[5:36] Sagatuk. Um, every good branding project
[5:40] starts with a primary audience and
[5:41] understanding really who you're going
[5:43] after. In this case, our primary
[5:45] audience was um, visitors and tourists
[5:48] who are experiencing this from the
[5:50] outside in. And our goal was to create a
[5:52] strong um, sort of immediate um,
[5:56] impression that reflects the character
[5:58] and the quality of the place. But the
[6:00] secondary audience of residents, I
[6:02] think, is really important as well. And
[6:04] in no other case that you know in in
[6:06] sort of branding world I think is this
[6:08] more appropriate that it's almost like a
[6:11] recycling logo. The primary audience
[6:13] sort of depends on the the secondary
[6:15] audience which is residents and the
[6:17] resident the secondary audience sort of
[6:19] depends on the primary audience. There's
[6:21] a tremendous halo effect of how you feel
[6:23] as a community member um for how
[6:26] visitors and tourists experience our
[6:28] community and there's a tremendous sense
[6:30] of pride in that. So, we kept going back
[6:32] to what we were trying to accomplish
[6:34] with the primary and secondary audience
[6:36] definitions.
[6:39] Um, at its core,
[6:42] thanks. At its core, there were three
[6:45] brand pillars. We wanted to make sure
[6:47] this felt authentic to its core, artful
[6:50] by nature, and elevated yet
[6:52] approachable. So, I'm going to unpack
[6:54] each of these um a little bit because I
[6:56] think it's really important for what
[6:57] you're going to see. Um
[7:00] when we say authentic and at its core,
[7:02] we mean the brand should feel grounded
[7:04] and genuine while reflecting the
[7:06] individuality of the community where the
[7:08] the character, the nostalgia, and kind
[7:11] of this touch of quirk exists side by
[7:14] side. And we think that's a really nice
[7:16] description of what we all feel in this
[7:18] community every day. Um, number two,
[7:21] it's artful by nature in that the brand
[7:23] should reflect a sense of artistry um
[7:25] and feel natural and integrated u in the
[7:28] everyday, not applied or decorative.
[7:31] That's really important too. I think the
[7:33] authenticity of that artful by nature
[7:35] comment oozes out of this community and
[7:38] we wanted this identity to feel that
[7:40] way.
[7:41] Last, we wanted it to feel elevated yet
[7:44] approachable. Um, concept a described
[7:48] this as a rare high low dynamic. And I
[7:50] think that's a good description where
[7:52] small town warmth and charm coexist.
[7:56] There's a level of refinement, but it
[7:58] never feels out of reach. It just sort
[8:00] of feels like this distinctive, easy to
[8:04] engage, um, an easy to understand kind
[8:06] of vibe that goes on here.
[8:09] Um, we did do a little bit of research,
[8:11] um, prior to the design work. Um the um
[8:17] the survey had about u 322 responses.
[8:21] The first question was about um our
[8:23] community members appetite for change.
[8:26] And um generally the feedback was um
[8:29] somewhere between a moderate refresh
[8:30] first and a completely new direction
[8:33] with a subtle evolution from where we
[8:35] are now coming in last. So I think where
[8:37] we ended up um definitely reflects this
[8:40] sort of 231 order. um and we can come
[8:43] back to that as we look at um how the
[8:46] identity plays off across applications.
[8:48] And then I've already covered some of
[8:50] those um brand attributes or core words
[8:53] that we wanted to um to reflect in the
[8:56] identity.
[8:58] So without uh without uh further waiting
[9:01] um we'll share with you the
[9:03] recommendation.
[9:06] So uh this city of Sagatuck identity is
[9:09] the recommended direction. Excellent,
[9:11] Jamie.
[9:12] » It feels uh we feel that it's bold. It's
[9:16] flowing. It reflects sort of a
[9:18] handcrafted nature of our creative
[9:20] spirit. Um it's kind of the result of an
[9:23] approachable welcoming brand feel that
[9:26] uh has character and sort of easily uh
[9:30] defines the sense of creativity in the
[9:32] community. Um, we purposely sort of did
[9:35] the reveal in a black and white
[9:37] application so you know you weren't
[9:40] swayed by colors or things around it. We
[9:43] wanted you to get the sense of purity
[9:45] around the identity. But if we make one
[9:47] more click, you can see how it comes to
[9:49] life in full color. Um, and you can see
[9:53] sort of how this um how this vibe lives
[9:56] on one of our favorite assets um, Oval
[9:58] Beach. So this could be on top of a
[10:00] photo that's a mast head in our website,
[10:03] but it's purely for conceptual purposes.
[10:06] If you go one more click, you can see
[10:08] sort of how it takes on a more official
[10:11] role. So we talked a lot about um and we
[10:14] looked at other identities for other
[10:16] municipalities and talked about the role
[10:18] of a city identity and it's um how
[10:21] serious it needs to be or what the
[10:23] interplay between personality and
[10:25] official business is. and we feel like
[10:27] we found the right spot where um this is
[10:31] a a stationary and a sort of document
[10:33] expression of what the identity looks
[10:35] like in official correspondence. There's
[10:38] nothing that says it has like official
[10:40] correspondence has to be dry or it has
[10:42] to be overly prescriptive. Um, I think
[10:46] the days of a sort of gold leaf stamp on
[10:49] a on a municipality identity are behind
[10:52] us. And there's no better community
[10:55] better situated to sort of reflect this
[10:57] balance of personality and official
[10:59] business. And so this gives you a sense
[11:02] of how that feels. Um, another
[11:04] application, and I love this because
[11:07] it's the most mobile application that
[11:09] you see around town, is how the red
[11:11] trucks look with this kind of an
[11:13] identity on it. It just sort of, um,
[11:16] it's a little bit of a wink. It's a
[11:18] little bit of a makes you smile. Um, uh,
[11:21] it gives you a sense of what the city
[11:22] stands for when you see it on a
[11:25] Department of Public Works um, sign or a
[11:28] truck.
[11:29] And then uh another example,
[11:32] if you think about the sign coming in on
[11:34] Blue Star um from Holland, the the one
[11:37] that sort of keeps getting over
[11:40] » The third several times,
[11:42] » The third one or
[11:43] » Um you know, you can see how this
[11:46] identity looks in signage. You can see
[11:48] how it looks on wayfinding signage. Um
[11:50] sort of like Douglas has and that's on
[11:52] the right. Um city of Charavoy has very
[11:54] similar signage. You can see how that
[11:56] holds its own on that. And I want to say
[11:59] one thing as especially for anyone who
[12:01] might listen to this afterwards. Um this
[12:05] this identity on this sign is this
[12:08] identity on one sign. This is not a
[12:11] proposal to change the pallet sign
[12:13] because that is part of our core
[12:15] identity. It's actually not a proposal
[12:17] to change the other one at North Street
[12:19] because that's really interesting.
[12:21] That's an interesting sort of late 70s
[12:23] early 80s expression of our of our
[12:25] community pride and that's part of what
[12:27] makes this quirky is having sort of
[12:30] different personalities around town. So
[12:32] while this might be the official
[12:34] identity for the city of Sagatuck um
[12:36] it's one of many expressions of what we
[12:39] like to communicate who we are and how
[12:41] we live.
[12:44] And then probably the um expression or
[12:46] the application that most people are are
[12:48] familiar with obviously or will be
[12:50] whether you're a visitor or whether
[12:52] you're a resident is the website.
[12:55] So you can see sort of how the lockup
[12:57] works um in the circle um for social
[13:01] media on an Insta page or Facebook page.
[13:05] You can see how um the grid might look
[13:07] with a series of posts. These are all
[13:10] made up. Um, but I think the important
[13:12] part about this page is to show how a
[13:15] color palette can translate and actually
[13:18] help you find or identify with
[13:20] information. So that historic district
[13:24] box um that is sort of a tealely blue,
[13:27] that's just random, but you may, you
[13:30] know, if it is tealy blue, you may
[13:31] always look for the updates that are
[13:33] tealy blue if um the HDC is something
[13:36] that you watch and follow. Same with the
[13:39] planning commission. and it could be um
[13:41] orange or um uh any sort of um other
[13:45] update on you know beach passes and
[13:48] things like that. So it gives us the
[13:49] ability to organize our grid and
[13:52] communicate with uh a little more
[13:53] clarity.
[13:57] Um another example of a website concept.
[14:00] So, I love this one for how clean it is,
[14:04] how clear it is, and how the city of
[14:07] Sagatuck logo sort of um sits on
[14:10] photography and how um the expression of
[14:12] the logo and photography work together
[14:14] to create a vibe of who we are and how
[14:18] important the water is, how important
[14:19] nature is. By the way, I think that's
[14:22] kind of critical to sort of the greens
[14:24] and blues that you feel that you see are
[14:26] most prominent with the color palette.
[14:31] And then I think lastly, um, just a
[14:33] couple variations. Concept A does a
[14:35] really nice job of giving you variety
[14:37] and guidelines on how to use that
[14:39] variety. So the left is sort of the
[14:43] primary logo. Um, we had a lot of good
[14:45] conversation about this, whether it
[14:47] should just be Sagatuck or the city of
[14:48] Sagatuck. We landed that it needs to
[14:51] have the city on it. It needed to be
[14:52] anchored in the like that is an official
[14:56] um, uh, sort of need. Um there's
[15:00] situations where it may not have the
[15:02] city. There are situations when you
[15:04] might add established 1868.
[15:06] Um so there's secondary uses, there's
[15:09] primary uses. Um they're really good
[15:12] about creating the guidelines in the
[15:13] rule book for um for city staff to
[15:16] follow very easily so we know how we're
[15:18] being consistent.
[15:21] And then lastly, um, one of the things
[15:23] we asked Concept Day to do for us was
[15:25] just put this in sit in situ with, um,
[15:29] two other logos that are around us
[15:31] because if our primary audience is
[15:33] visitors, our secondary audience is
[15:35] residents. We all experience these uh,
[15:38] these logos. We experience Sagatuck
[15:40] Township. We experience um, Douglas's
[15:43] branding. So, like what do we look like
[15:46] in comparison and how does our
[15:48] personality fit when all three
[15:51] communities are sort of together? And we
[15:53] felt it was a good litmus test because
[15:56] um those other two logos are lovely.
[15:58] They had their own goals and objectives
[16:00] for their audience and they delivered on
[16:03] that for them. We feel slightly
[16:06] different but it also hangs together um
[16:09] in a sort of three community region. Um,
[16:12] but we also give ourselves the the
[16:14] opportunity to stand apart and have our
[16:16] own personality. So, we really liked how
[16:19] this identity showed up as part of the
[16:21] three. We feel like we're part of the
[16:23] family, but we're um one of the kids
[16:25] that definitely stands out with its own
[16:27] personality.
[16:28] » The fun kids.
[16:29] » Yeah, they're the fun kids.
[16:33] » I think that's it.
[16:35] » Great job, Tim.
[16:36] » Yeah, thank you for the committee. And
[16:38] thank you to all four of you and Ryan
[16:40] who were on the group. It's great work
[16:43] and um thank you for being here. So
[16:45] » Yeah,
[16:46] » Concept A um is on the phone if we have
[16:48] qu anyone has questions or comments. Um
[16:51] but um kudos to them. They run a really
[16:54] good meeting, a really good process and
[16:57] uh I think they listened very well
[17:00] » From the other committee members. um any
[17:03] Lauren and Chris and all
[17:05] » I will just say that um you know we went
[17:07] through a number of variations where we
[17:09] saw different um concepts that they
[17:12] brought forth and we went through
[17:14] different you know going back on what we
[17:17] you know looked at as far as the goals
[17:19] of what we wanted it to look like. Um I
[17:22] think Tim and Kristen having people that
[17:25] have a background that's more in design
[17:29] um was super helpful. Um, I definitely
[17:32] don't have a background in design or
[17:34] branding or marketing. So, I felt like I
[17:36] really enjoyed having uh your brains in
[17:40] the mix with us. And so, we really um we
[17:43] couldn't have done it without having our
[17:45] community members with the brain power
[17:47] um when it comes to design and marketing
[17:49] and uh branding um to be a part of it.
[17:52] So, uh very thankful and um I'm really
[17:55] excited about how this turned out. I
[17:57] think it it it it says all the things
[17:59] that we want it to say.
[18:01] » Chris, u I I agree with all of that. We
[18:04] had they came to us with three different
[18:06] designs and and two of them focused very
[18:09] similarly to what we have now with the
[18:11] river coming down. And the way it did it
[18:13] and Ryan brought it up. He said, "It
[18:14] looks like a duck being eaten by a
[18:17] fish." And I couldn't get it out of my
[18:19] mind after he said that's all I could
[18:21] see. Um, now I don't have a lot of
[18:23] experience in in uh design or anything
[18:25] like that, but I do have experience in
[18:26] pitfalls of deciding things for the
[18:28] public. Could you go back to the pallet,
[18:30] please?
[18:34] There. Go back. One of the things I
[18:36] wanted to be very clear on is that we
[18:38] have the colors identified that will be
[18:39] used. I don't want any colors out there
[18:42] that show up that we did not vote on,
[18:44] right?
[18:45] » And so I think we have to be very
[18:47] careful that we stay with it. They can
[18:48] be moved around however you want to, but
[18:51] those are our colors.
[18:52] » Yeah, that makes sense.
[18:54] » Other than that, I I thought it went
[18:56] very well and and uh we
[18:57] » Yeah. And it's kind of music to concepts
[18:59] A's ears um that when they create brand
[19:02] guidelines, they don't want us to
[19:04] » Not guidelines, they're rules.
[19:06] » Exactly.
[19:07] » Yeah.
[19:07] » Um Kristen, anything you want to say in
[19:10] the audience? Kristen,
[19:11] » I just think that
[19:12] » Will you come to the mic so we capture
[19:14] you on the video.
[19:15] » Thank you. First of all, thank you for
[19:16] including me. This was absolutely was a
[19:18] super cool process to be part of. Um I
[19:20] think that Sagatuck has exactly what Tim
[19:23] said, a really unique opportunity to
[19:25] come up with um a mark a logo that is
[19:28] unlike most municipal logos because of
[19:30] who we are. Plain and simple. Period.
[19:33] Full stop. Right. Um and I think Concept
[19:35] Day did a great job in my opinion of
[19:38] putting forward something that does give
[19:41] that we are the art coast after all,
[19:43] right? that playful, creative vibe that
[19:45] also um is serious enough that it can be
[19:48] on the side of a truck or on your
[19:49] letterhead. Uh and I think that just is
[19:52] it's so good for us to have a logo that
[19:54] honestly doesn't just look like
[19:56] everybody else's offtheshelf. Gee, let
[19:58] me guess. Will there be a river? Gee,
[20:00] let me guess. Will the radone be on it?
[20:02] I love those places. So predictable,
[20:05] right? And the fact that concept day
[20:07] came back with this thing that emi
[20:08] embodies um who we are in that spirit of
[20:12] artfulness but can still be on the side
[20:14] of a truck big um I love that Tim said a
[20:17] wink um feels so much like saga tuck
[20:20] right elevated and yet we wink you know
[20:21] as we get on the street. So all of those
[20:23] things and thanks for including me
[20:25] because it was just I learned a ton and
[20:27] it was a delight to be part of it.
[20:28] » That's great. Scott,
[20:30] » A couple questions and I'm not sure if
[20:31] it's for the committee members or for um
[20:33] the concept a folks. Is that derived
[20:37] from any existing font? So that's that's
[20:41] our own or their own invention. Those
[20:43] those letters are are their own
[20:44] invention,
[20:45] » Right?
[20:46] » Um so that would give us and I'm not an
[20:48] expert on this. That would give us the
[20:50] ability to trademark or copyright it to
[20:53] protect it.
[20:55] » Concept A. I'll let you I'll let you
[20:58] answer the specifics of that, but it is
[21:00] a um it's a custom it's a custom logo,
[21:04] right?
[21:06] » Yes, that's correct. It's
[21:08] [clears throat] all hand handdrawn.
[21:10] » Okay.
[21:11] » Nothing like it exists. So, it's
[21:13] 100%able by the city. the fonts that go
[21:16] with it too. Um they've done a good job
[21:20] of balancing like what are usable font
[21:22] fonts that won't cost us as well as this
[21:26] is a protectable um identity since it is
[21:29] custom.
[21:29] » Okay. So I I yeah just to legally
[21:32] protect it. I think to a certain extent
[21:34] it goes to council member Peterson's
[21:35] comment about you know a certain color
[21:37] palette that we shouldn't deviate on.
[21:40] You know I would want to make sure that
[21:41] we that it can't be diluted by others
[21:43] copying it. So that was that's my
[21:45] primary concern that I'm driving at. I
[21:47] don't know.
[21:47] » T-shirts.
[21:48] » Yeah.
[21:48] » Well, precise precisely. I mean,
[21:51] frankly, we we should have the t-shirt
[21:53] concession. Yeah.
[21:55] » You know, merch. I'm all about the
[21:57] » Honestly. I mean, we should really I
[22:00] mean, I
[22:01] » They did one with the hat. It showed it
[22:03] on the hat and that was really cool.
[22:05] » We um you're 100% right. And we actually
[22:08] early on in this process we sort of said
[22:10] one of the success criteria would be
[22:12] that you love this thing so much that
[22:14] you want it on merch. Like that's a
[22:16] litmus test of do you relate to this
[22:18] identity.
[22:19] » So but in order for that to happen we
[22:22] have to own it. We can't have
[22:23] » Right
[22:24] » Random people reproducing it in a way
[22:26] that's not
[22:27] » What we what we
[22:29] » Know this is true for corporations. I'm
[22:31] assuming it's true for municipalities,
[22:32] but you know the the logo or I mean
[22:35] people can when they need to use your
[22:37] logo grab it off your website though
[22:40] that they're using the official
[22:42] » That they will create that ability
[22:44] within their guidelines.
[22:46] » Yeah. I I just go back to my previous
[22:48] job when I worked for BP oil when they
[22:50] went from just BP to the the green and
[22:52] yellow sunburst. You know, suddenly you
[22:54] found a green and yellow sunburst gas
[22:57] station in Kazakhstan
[22:58] » That wasn't a BP station. That's right.
[23:00] » But they've they've found a way to try
[23:02] to emulate and copy, you know, what we
[23:04] spent, you know, what we spent millions
[23:06] on. So, I mean,
[23:08] » My I guess my my ask would be, you know,
[23:10] can we I think we should find ways to
[23:12] protect it. You know, I don't know if
[23:13] it's trademark, copyright, what, but but
[23:15] I do think we should we should pursue
[23:17] that to make sure
[23:19] » Concept A can answer.
[23:20] » You guys can help us, right?
[23:22] » And Jake too might file a trademark for
[23:25] this or
[23:27] » I don't see any reason why we couldn't.
[23:28] Um, IP law is not exactly my ba wick,
[23:32] but we have a couple attorneys in my
[23:34] office that do a lot of uh trademark
[23:37] work and so I'd be happy to to circle
[23:40] back with them and see what the steps
[23:41] are for getting some protection to the
[23:43] logo.
[23:44] » I would suggest we take that extra step.
[23:46] Um, and the reason I'm saying that is
[23:48] because I freaking love it. I think I
[23:49] think it's amazing. I I never would have
[23:53] I never would have imagined it myself,
[23:54] but I love it. It's fantastic.
[23:56] » I do too. But I want to sense check that
[23:58] because I'm not an artist, nor am I, you
[24:00] know, a member of the business
[24:01] community. So that's why I'd like to
[24:03] also ask Ashley for her gut reaction to
[24:05] it. Uh I don't mean to put you on the
[24:07] spot, Ashley, but from a CVB
[24:08] perspective, what do you think?
[24:11] » Happy to be put on the spot. Um I love
[24:14] the playful nature of it. I wasn't
[24:16] expecting uh to be so pleasantly
[24:18] surprised. Um it's great and um I thank
[24:21] you to the whole committee for all the
[24:23] work you've done. Bravo.
[24:27] Jared,
[24:27] » I of also have to repeat what Ashley
[24:30] said. Um, I wasn't expecting to be so
[24:33] pleasantly surprised. As most people in
[24:34] the community know, I'm very judgmental
[24:37] and and I was I wasn't expecting um such
[24:40] a wonderful uh uh uh font to hear that
[24:43] it was done handdrawn
[24:46] uh and that and that um it's our own
[24:48] font rather than a font I can find uh on
[24:51] on on uh on stock somewhere. Um, uh,
[24:55] it's easy to read and it's fun and I'm
[24:58] seeing the water in there. I'm seeing
[25:00] the nature in there with the curves and
[25:02] things.
[25:03] » Um, I'm very pleasantly surprised and
[25:05] um, and uh, and kudos to um, Kristen. I
[25:09] I know a great creative uh, mind there
[25:12] uh, uh, that helped out and everybody
[25:14] that helped uh, to make this happen. I
[25:16] think it's I'm very very happy. you
[25:18] know,
[25:18] » Could you go to the where it shows the
[25:20] three municipalities cuz
[25:22] » And that's another thing and like
[25:24] somebody was saying earlier was that uh
[25:26] you know it's not the typical you know
[25:28] block lettering too much spacing in
[25:30] between uh you know uh it's not typical
[25:34] and and I think that's perfect for
[25:35] Saget. I just think, you know, also, you
[25:38] know, in addition to the the very, you
[25:40] know, strong association to the river
[25:42] and the na and nature, you know, it's
[25:44] got a really cool almost 60s
[25:47] counterculture vibe, which is, you know,
[25:50] very talk.
[25:50] » Yeah. Which is very sag, you know, arts,
[25:53] diversity, you know, you know, a bit
[25:55] quirky. So, it's got all that sort of I
[25:57] mean, I actually like briefly looked at
[25:58] the Rolling Stone magazine logo because
[26:00] it kind of reminded me of that ever so
[26:02] slightly. But it's it's different
[26:03] though. It is. But it's it it's got that
[26:06] it's got that great kind of vibe that I
[26:08] think a lot of people expect of Saget
[26:10] with the arts and sort of the diversity
[26:11] and so I think it's great
[26:13] » Of of nostalgia much like our last logo
[26:16] that was done in the 80s had a kind of a
[26:18] nod to nostalgia. So I like how you kind
[26:20] of kept that nod but then elevated it
[26:23] updated it.
[26:24] » Yeah.
[26:24] » Yeah.
[26:25] » I love it. And I also love that you know
[26:27] the pallet sign goes right with that
[26:29] logo. the you know the other sign we
[26:31] have at North I mean that I think it
[26:34] says Sagatuk and I love looking at it's
[26:37] like we it kind of captures who we are
[26:40] where we are
[26:41] » So
[26:42] » And it's quirky and again easy to read I
[26:44] mean it's it's Sagatuck you just see it
[26:47] there it's not something you have to
[26:48] fight to see like not nec I don't see it
[26:50] with Sagatuck or Douglas or Township or
[26:52] Douglas but a lot of logos you know it's
[26:55] hard to read because they're being too
[26:56] artsy
[26:57] » Yeah and I really like leaning into you
[27:00] know the the the name the word because
[27:02] you know there's like I think there's
[27:04] only two sagatucks in America and is the
[27:05] one that I think most people know of and
[27:07] you know it's it's it's a kind of a
[27:09] interesting word it's a native it speaks
[27:11] back to the Native American connection
[27:13] you know to the rivermouth communities
[27:14] here I think it's just I I think it was
[27:16] great that the team really leaned into
[27:19] the name as opposed to
[27:22] » Icons or it was really good
[27:24] » It's clear and and I take put anything
[27:27] away with Saga Douglas what however they
[27:29] combined us three of them or anything
[27:30] but we're saga talk
[27:31] » We are I mean and it's it's it's perfect
[27:34] » It's great
[27:36] » When you license this for a sweatshirt
[27:38] I'm buying the first one
[27:40] » I think it could be number
[27:44] the first one is not on counselor
[27:47] » Again like keep the top secret until
[27:48] Jake lock locks it down
[27:50] » That'll be $300 each
[27:52] » You might have to have arrangements with
[27:54] different t-shirt companies in town to
[27:56] have to be the official supplier of the
[27:57] saga talk. Da da da.
[27:59] » Yeah.
[27:59] » Yeah. No, for sure.
[28:00] » Yeah. Welcome,
[28:01] » Russ.
[28:03] » And we're journed.
[28:04] » Yeah.
[28:06] » Perfect.
[28:07] » Look, Russ, we all like it so far.
[28:10] » Hi.
[28:11] » You didn't get to feel the whole
[28:13] presentation up
[28:15] » When it's posted. You'll have to watch
[28:17] the whole
[28:21] » One last thing. I think Scott, to your
[28:22] point about protection, um, we'll work
[28:26] with, you know, concept A, we can chat
[28:28] about this afterwards, but,
[28:31] uh, usually, you know, you can go in
[28:34] once we protect it, you can go in and
[28:35] pull it off. We may just not want to
[28:38] have a version that is without city of
[28:41] period
[28:43] » Because I'm totally making this up. But
[28:45] if we had a drugstore that wanted to
[28:46] pull that off and say we're Sagatuck
[28:48] drugstore or Sagatuck Brewery, you could
[28:50] pull that off and say
[28:51] » That's a really good point.
[28:52] » Yeah.
[28:53] » City locked up on it,
[28:55] » That may give us even a little more
[28:57] protection.
[28:57] » Right. Good point. And now that we're
[28:59] kind of going into this a little bit, I
[29:02] would almost want to well, I think we're
[29:04] good particularly with the city of
[29:05] Sagatuck and perhaps the date as well,
[29:08] but it is there are some similarities to
[29:10] the the um kind of rainbowy sign over by
[29:14] Wix Park. I don't know if the font is
[29:17] that close or not. I think it's okay. I
[29:20] don't know about
[29:20] » Oh, I know what you're talking
[29:21] » I know what you're talking about, but
[29:23] » But without seeing it without seeing it
[29:25] » Oh, right. Right. Right. without seeing
[29:27] it. I can't say if it's if there's an
[29:29] issue there or not.
[29:30] » I think I don't think so. Um it's it's a
[29:34] vibe of nostalgia, but I think it's not
[29:36] an overlap.
[29:37] » Okay. Gotcha.
[29:39] » And
[29:39] » Do we need to put a trademark or somehow
[29:42] put something in, you know, itty bitty
[29:44] before we put this on the website even
[29:46] to share
[29:46] » The TM underneath the
[29:48] » Yeah. to share with the packet. I mean,
[29:51] because we were going to post all of
[29:52] this, right?
[29:53] » Okay. I can I can follow up with you
[29:55] right after this. Can Do we have like a
[29:58] a day before we post or how long do we
[30:00] have?
[30:00] » Yeah, you guys.
[30:01] » Yeah, we can get the packet out on
[30:02] Friday and have Yep.
[30:03] » Or could you put like a watermark on it
[30:05] or something? You know,
[30:07] » I don't know. Can you
[30:09] » I'm happy to follow up.
[30:10] » Okay, that'd be great.
[30:11] » I think usually with IP, the fact that
[30:13] Council Update created this for us, I
[30:15] think we're pretty much protected
[30:17] already, but then there's some more
[30:18] steps we can take, I think, just to
[30:19] avoid copycats and the like. I think I
[30:22] I'm not sure that there's a real risk of
[30:24] like suddenly
[30:25] » Yeah, I know. Well, you never know.
[30:28] » Yeah. Well, fab I mean
[30:30] » The merchandise shops around town
[30:33] that I mean [clears throat] that
[30:35] » It is a is a real possibility, you know,
[30:38] so Oh, I think it's guaranteed that
[30:40] they're going to want to do it.
[30:40] » Yeah, definitely.
[30:42] » Good point.
[30:42] » Oh, great. So, what are the next steps
[30:45] for council Brian? So next steps are uh
[30:48] we'll plan on having um your approval of
[30:51] this on the agenda for Monday and then
[30:53] assuming you uh approve then concept day
[30:55] is going to kind of put together that uh
[30:58] set of brand guidelines uh to then bring
[31:00] back that that final package for you to
[31:02] to sign off on um as well. But we want
[31:05] to make sure that everybody's there's an
[31:07] approved logo and uh and everything else
[31:09] before they they kind of do that that
[31:11] next step with the work. So
[31:13] » Great. Well, thanks to the team. What a
[31:16] great job all of you. Um,
[31:17] » Home home run.
[31:19] » Great. Well, that takes us to discussion
[31:21] item C, which is the right-of-way permit
[31:23] application, no less important uh for
[31:25] 731 uh Pleasant Street. Thank you,
[31:28] Grayson. Thanks, Kristen, for joining
[31:30] us.
[31:32] » Thanks, Tim.
[31:35] » Not less important, but a little less
[31:37] exciting. Um, our applicants proposing
[31:39] some rightway installations. Uh, and
[31:41] that kind of includes several retaining
[31:43] walls, some hardcaping, uh, redoing the
[31:46] driveway, and adding um a staircase. Uh,
[31:50] historically, um, like many of the homes
[31:52] on Pleasant Street, it's contained
[31:54] landscaping, a staircase, some water
[31:56] features, boulders, and some other
[31:58] improvements that are located in the
[31:59] rightway.
[32:01] Um while the proposed improvements uh do
[32:04] represent a significant private
[32:05] investment within the city's rightway,
[32:07] the steep slope that's on Pleasant
[32:09] Street uh extending from the edge of the
[32:12] pavement uh really substantially limits
[32:14] the likelihood of the area being needed
[32:16] for future public use. Uh from a
[32:19] planning and zoning perspective, there
[32:20] were no significant concerns. Uh after
[32:23] speaking with our city engineer, he
[32:24] noted some minor drainage modifications
[32:27] uh which could easily be addressed uh
[32:29] through an amendment of the plan. uh and
[32:31] he was in agreement that the final
[32:33] decision on the installation is really
[32:35] policy leaning for the council. Uh as
[32:38] there are no objections from the
[32:39] engineer standpoint either. Uh I put the
[32:43] council considerations for the rideway
[32:45] installations on page 18 of your packet.
[32:47] Uh and the applicant is also online to
[32:50] help answer any questions.
[32:54] » Chris, [laughter] you know a little bit
[32:56] about the street, huh? We live right
[32:58] across the street from this and I I
[33:00] think this is is an exciting proposal
[33:02] where I'm where I'm going to raise my
[33:04] questions. I don't know how many years
[33:06] ago there was a seven inch rain within a
[33:08] certain amount of time and if I remember
[33:10] almost all of the houses along there had
[33:11] to go back in and do resupport because
[33:14] it weakened quite a few things. Um this
[33:17] is very steep and what will the fill be
[33:22] to create these terraces going down?
[33:24] Where will the fill come from? Because
[33:26] when you look off of Pleasant, there's
[33:28] maybe from here to there and then it's
[33:30] straight down. But they're going to
[33:31] terrace that.
[33:32] » Where will the fill come in? I don't
[33:34] want any I sure there's no guarantee,
[33:36] but you know, I wouldn't want any kind
[33:38] of u sinkhole
[33:41] » Happening,
[33:41] » Right?
[33:42] » I believe there are engineers online, so
[33:43] I'll let him fully answer that. Um but I
[33:45] do want to note that those were the
[33:47] engineers concerns as well. So that was
[33:49] something he felt they could work
[33:50] through.
[33:50] » Okay.
[33:55] is Eric. Eric is uh he's on his he's
[33:59] still driving. He got caught up in some
[34:01] traffic. He said, "Hi, Eric. Can you
[34:06] can you fill in on this the filling
[34:12] » Me
[34:14] being safe?"
[34:16] » Yeah.
[34:17] » All right. Can uh can everybody
[34:21] Yeah.
[34:24] Okay. All right. So, yeah, sorry, I was
[34:26] caught up in an accident on 31 there
[34:28] trying to get through Holland, but I am
[34:30] right around the corner and I'll be
[34:31] there in a second. Um, but I can explain
[34:36] the fill situation. So, the engineering
[34:38] that goes behind this wall is all three
[34:43] quart by half inch crushed limestone.
[34:46] Um, so there that is going to be a very
[34:50] porous material. uh no fines. Uh we use
[34:54] a geoexile fabric to be able to separate
[34:58] the clean aggregate from the native
[35:01] soils. So when we have situations where
[35:05] there's a uh a large amount of rain,
[35:09] we've got the clean aggregate that
[35:12] washes the rain through the engineering
[35:15] behind the wall. And then we have
[35:17] footing drains on all of the walls to be
[35:20] able to alleviate any hydraulic pressure
[35:23] that
[35:24] could potentially still be there. Um
[35:29] the massive amount of tonnage of the
[35:33] stone that's used behind the wall, we've
[35:35] never seen any hydraulic pressure be
[35:38] created, but uh the footing drains are
[35:41] there for added security.
[35:45] Will the driveway stay the same?
[35:48] » The driveway footprint will stay the
[35:50] same. Um it's just the additional
[35:53] parking areas uh within the rightway
[35:56] that we're going to create
[35:58] » To create some off
[36:01] » At 12:00. That's our picket fence right
[36:04] there. Yeah.
[36:05] » So, we you know have have seen lots of
[36:08] rain and everything and I I haven't
[36:10] noticed any problems since the that
[36:11] time. forget how many years ago it was
[36:13] and short up. Uh but I did have a
[36:16] concern about what the fill would be if
[36:18] you're especially going to put a parking
[36:19] lot there or parking for how many cars?
[36:23] » One car.
[36:23] » Just one car. There's going to be one
[36:25] just one more space added to the sorry
[36:28] the front um right around where the
[36:31] mailbox is in the front between the that
[36:35] we're going to have that space between
[36:38] the retaining wall and the street.
[36:41] There'll be just one one lot or one
[36:44] space for one car.
[36:46] » Thanks. Hi neighbors. [laughter]
[36:51] » That that alleviates my concerns. Yeah,
[36:54] » Scott.
[36:55] » Um I trust staff's recommendation and I
[36:59] and I trust the engineering. Um my only
[37:02] question is um you know and it's it's
[37:05] about the new parking pad and the new
[37:06] and the slope to the new pad which would
[37:08] be in this the uh city's right of way on
[37:12] Pleasant Street. So that's the closest
[37:13] part to Pleasant Street. Um, what kind
[37:17] of precedent does this create as we move
[37:20] forward with what is going to be a very,
[37:22] I think, difficult and complicated
[37:24] project on Park Street
[37:26] » Where we have the the need to make it
[37:30] safer for the public to to to navigate
[37:33] Park Street and we probably are going to
[37:36] have to deal with
[37:38] new parking pads that are in the
[37:40] easement, you know. So suddenly we're
[37:41] going to approve one for the for the
[37:43] easement and we're going to probably be
[37:45] doing the opposite. I would suspect I
[37:48] can't say that as a matter of fact, but
[37:51] we know that there are pads and
[37:54] driveways in the city's easement that
[37:56] are going to be problematic as we move
[37:58] forward on the Park Street project. So
[37:59] how do we square these two issues? Yeah,
[38:02] I think this uh street is unique um in
[38:05] that I don't you know there's just no
[38:08] room um first of all as you know we
[38:10] approved no parking on that street on
[38:12] the actual street because it's just too
[38:14] narrow right
[38:15] » Um on that side of the street you know
[38:18] there's not even room to put a sidewalk
[38:20] or any kind of anything so it's it's
[38:22] almost like it's not usable by the city
[38:25] um as far as what I would believe to be
[38:28] true I think it's just a different
[38:30] situation with Park Street
[38:32] Yeah, but it's a it's a good point.
[38:34] » You make a valid point. And you know,
[38:35] the no parking on park on Pleasant
[38:38] Street, you know, which was which was
[38:39] unpopular. Um, but it was at the request
[38:42] of the fire department. Um, so I guess
[38:45] this might be a time for,
[38:48] you know, Jake to appine if if if, you
[38:51] know, we're setting ourselves up for
[38:52] complications on, you know, another
[38:55] street, a busy street like that is a
[38:57] very, you know, much different traffic
[38:58] flow, but nevertheless, we'll have some
[39:00] similar issues on
[39:02] » City.
[39:03] » Well, I think there's always, you know,
[39:08] room for complication when you get these
[39:10] kind of requests. But the good thing is
[39:11] that each of these requests are going to
[39:14] be evaluated on their own merits. So the
[39:18] the council has a list of
[39:23] » I'm sorry. I think Eric, you might still
[39:25] have your phone on and I'm getting the
[39:26] audio fed back to me.
[39:30] » I wanted to say I agree totally with
[39:32] Lauren. I'm very familiar with that
[39:34] property. I knew the previous owners and
[39:36] I know the owners of the properties on
[39:38] both sides. um there would be never a
[39:41] way to make a a sidewalk or to widen the
[39:44] road um on that side of the street
[39:47] anyway. Um so I would feel comfortable
[39:50] um with saying yes.
[39:51] » Well, in in in terms of establishing,
[39:54] right, the thing that I think is
[39:56] important for the council to do is just
[39:58] identify the the special characteristics
[40:02] that that are pushing the council in the
[40:04] direction of approving this request
[40:06] where where other requests might be
[40:08] denied. And so I mean what I got out of
[40:10] the staff report and and what council
[40:12] member Muny was just pointing out is the
[40:14] the extreme grade you know that is
[40:17] unique to that property and it also
[40:18] makes that part of the rightway very
[40:21] ills suited for public improvements.
[40:24] Um you know things of that nature so
[40:28] long as there are valid reasons you know
[40:29] why the city is is granting this request
[40:32] and not granting other requests. I
[40:34] wouldn't be concerned about the
[40:35] precedent because again each request is
[40:38] is taken on its own merits.
[40:40] » Okay. Thanks Jake. That's that's what I
[40:42] need to hear. So I have no further
[40:43] concerns.
[40:45] » Thank you Madam Mayor. This may be a
[40:46] stupid question but don't most driveways
[40:49] intrude upon the public rightway.
[40:53] I mean when they go from the street to
[40:54] the to the house they're going across
[40:57] the public rightway every time.
[40:58] » Right.
[41:00] » So
[41:02] yeah I don't have a problem with it at
[41:03] all. Other questions, discussion points,
[41:05] Russ?
[41:06] » Yeah. Um, so looking at the staff
[41:08] review, the page um, 17, the last
[41:12] paragraph, the city engineer indicated
[41:14] that allowing the proposed patio,
[41:16] stairs, landscaping, and parking
[41:17] improvements within the Pleasant Street
[41:18] rightway is primarily a policy decision,
[41:20] which I agree with. Um, the proposed
[41:23] improvements do not appear to
[41:24] significantly increase existing
[41:26] encroachments and are not anticipated to
[41:27] interfere with future road or utility
[41:29] improvements, which is we've we've been
[41:30] talking a little bit about that.
[41:32] accordingly no objections from an
[41:33] engineering standpoint. So um as it also
[41:36] says in the recommendation one of the
[41:37] council considerations is to make sure
[41:39] that the um you know either in this case
[41:42] the engineer or staff department sign
[41:44] off on this. My concern is two there's
[41:46] twofold. One is that this doesn't appear
[41:50] to create a larger issue than there
[41:52] might already be based on some of the
[41:53] questions are coming from council member
[41:54] Peterson who's you know seen this
[41:56] property for a long time. That would be
[41:58] my concern because you've still got
[42:00] issues going down the hill down to Lake
[42:02] Street as well. So, there's a lot of
[42:04] runoff and there's been issues with
[42:06] properties over on State Street with
[42:07] runoff and I don't know that this
[42:08] contributes to that at all. I'm not
[42:10] saying that. But that's where my concern
[42:12] is. And then if we have sign off from
[42:14] everybody that none of those issues are
[42:15] going to continue to be issues or this
[42:17] is going to contribute to it, then I I
[42:19] will trust the engineering opinion. From
[42:21] a policy standpoint, as I think Jake has
[42:23] mentioned, you know, we have a lot of
[42:26] these situations. I think about the
[42:27] heartscaping over on Simonson. We want
[42:29] to be careful because
[42:32] they put there that hardcaping was put
[42:34] in for I think appearances or aesthetics
[42:37] as opposed to this is for just usability
[42:39] of the property and also protecting the
[42:41] property with the retaining walls etc.
[42:43] So I I just want to make sure that we're
[42:45] not putting ourselves in a position of
[42:46] causing a risk at Simonson or other
[42:48] properties on Park Street or other areas
[42:50] that we have to look at that this is
[42:52] unique enough that we can say this is a
[42:54] very unique permitted right of way,
[42:57] » Right?
[42:57] » And it needs to be done in such a way
[42:59] that it doesn't open us up to risk in
[43:01] other areas.
[43:02] » Is it right above you?
[43:04] » Yes.
[43:05] » So you're hoping that it works, too?
[43:07] [laughter]
[43:07] » Yeah. I mean, obviously the drainage
[43:09] definitely needs to be addressed to make
[43:12] sure um there's no additional problems.
[43:15] Um
[43:16] » I say we actually we discussed all of
[43:18] those concerns as well before kind of
[43:20] putting the report together. Uh
[43:22] specifically the previously denied uh
[43:24] right ofway encroachments. Um and for
[43:26] the reasons you mentioned, we felt that
[43:28] this one could be appropriate from a
[43:29] policy perspective. The notes that the
[43:31] engineer made uh did note the historic
[43:34] uh flooding of the site and just kind of
[43:36] the drainage and how that would work.
[43:37] I'm sure the engineer could make that
[43:39] sound more professional, but uh those
[43:42] were what was noted and so he felt
[43:45] comfortable that it could be addressed.
[43:46] » How did that lawsuit come out?
[43:48] » You remember?
[43:50] » Um I believe um the ones down next door
[43:54] to me won the lawsuit. So they had to
[43:56] fix the drainage issue. So
[44:00] » Other questions?
[44:03] All right.
[44:03] » The only thing I I would just add, you
[44:05] know, mayor and council is just that,
[44:07] you know, the end of the day, I mean,
[44:08] property owners have to understand, too,
[44:10] there's a level of risk here for them,
[44:11] too. And at the end of the day, it still
[44:12] is the city's right away. Um, you know,
[44:15] this is not a permanent in perpetuity
[44:17] type approval. Um, Grayson's going to
[44:20] work with legal to come up with uh
[44:22] pretty probably a pretty robust set of
[44:24] conditions and uh approval criteria here
[44:26] so everybody understands that and what's
[44:28] on that what's on the permit. Um um so
[44:32] you know worst case scenario in the
[44:33] future if there is a need to make some
[44:35] sort of improvements in this area.
[44:37] Obviously, the city will still have a a
[44:38] right uh to do that, but I think your
[44:40] your discussion today actually was was
[44:42] very good as far as uh kind of
[44:44] distinguishing some unique
[44:45] characteristics of the property and how
[44:46] it differs from some others you've
[44:47] denied, as well as some others that you
[44:48] might have to make some changes on uh
[44:50] along Park Street as we get into that
[44:52] project more. So,
[44:55] great. Anything else before we wrap this
[44:57] up? Okay. Um that takes us to the public
[45:01] comment period. Um, anyone in the room
[45:05] wish to make a public comment? Could be
[45:06] about anything at all.
[45:09] Okay. Uh, anyone online wish to make a
[45:12] public comment?
[45:14] » Um, yes.
[45:15] » Oh, yes. Okay.
[45:17] » It's still looking for my hand up there.
[45:22] » There you go.
[45:22] » There he is.
[45:23] » All right.
[45:25] Um, I appreciate the time you everybody.
[45:28] Um, we are definitely, you know, we're
[45:30] wanting to make a large investment in
[45:32] our property there. Um, we are looking
[45:35] forward to enhancing the landscaping and
[45:39] the street. Um, we are, um, this
[45:45] drainage is a huge factor that we are
[45:48] considering with this whole project. Uh
[45:51] right now there's a lot of water that
[45:53] comes directly into our driveway from
[45:55] the street and we have our we have no
[45:58] drainage. Everything is just kind of
[45:59] reabsorbed through the sand there. It's
[46:02] really pretty poor. Um there are
[46:04] drainage lines. So um we are looking to
[46:08] yeah connect to all these drainage lines
[46:11] and make sure everything um drains
[46:13] appropriately. Um, we're looking forward
[46:16] to it and this is our home and looking
[46:19] forward to enhancing it as much as we
[46:20] can. We appreciate your help.
[46:24] » Great. Thank you.
[46:25] » Yeah.
[46:26] » Any other public comments? Yeah.
[46:28] » Add to that as well.
[46:29] » Sure. If you could um say your name and
[46:33] » Yes. My name is Eric Rosendall with
[46:34] Lakeshore Property Services. Uh the
[46:36] contractor looking to do the project at
[46:38] 731 Pleasant. Um yeah, the drainage was
[46:41] a big issue. One of the first things
[46:43] that we looked at, uh, Christopher had
[46:47] let us know, Christopher and Louis had
[46:48] let us know that there was no drainage
[46:50] for the driveway. So, that's why the
[46:52] cement in the driveway be removed so we
[46:54] can put in proper drainage to be able to
[46:57] get that down to the bottom of the hill.
[46:59] Put in some infiltration areas so that
[47:01] we can get that and it's not just
[47:03] running off. Um, the patio area and
[47:06] everything, we know that's going to
[47:07] create more impervious surface uh, with
[47:10] a lower patio area. So, we've got a
[47:12] drainage system planned for that as
[47:14] well, so we can infiltrate and then all
[47:16] the excess water if there is a 7-in
[47:18] flood that can be then piped down to the
[47:21] lower area. Um, we've done these sorts
[47:24] of retaining walls many times. There's a
[47:27] ton of engineering that goes behind
[47:29] them, a ton of grid and uh geoexile
[47:32] fabric. So, it's going to be a very
[47:34] involved process, but we know through
[47:37] all the steps that we've taken in the
[47:38] past that we can make this stable and be
[47:41] able to hold everything in place with
[47:43] whatever water is thrown at it.
[47:45] » Great. Thank you.
[47:46] » Yeah. Any questions?
[47:48] » Okay. Anyone else online?
[47:52] » Okay, that closes public comments. That
[47:54] takes us to council comments. Chris, do
[47:56] you want to start? No comments, mayor.
[47:57] Okay. Gross.
[47:58] » No comments. Thank you,
[48:00] » Scott. Uh just compliments to the
[48:02] branding team on their presentation.
[48:04] » Greg agree.
[48:05] » Uh just uh uh real quick, I would like
[48:07] to um uh uh say congratulations to the
[48:10] property owners and to the uh to our
[48:12] river, the city of Sagatuck for the
[48:14] grant that was received uh from Eagle
[48:17] for the removal of the um the gas tank
[48:20] at River Market, what we knew as River
[48:22] Market. They received a $1 million grant
[48:24] from Eagle to remove that and clean up
[48:26] that mess. and which is great news for
[48:29] the property owner, but I think it's
[48:30] also good news for the residents here
[48:32] and for the uh health of our river. So,
[48:35] I think that was a great thing and and
[48:38] uh just wanted to denote that.
[48:39] » Great. Thanks, Gregory.
[48:41] » Nothing further, Mayor.
[48:42] » Yeah, I'm just going to say one more
[48:44] time, I love the logo. I think it was
[48:45] great work. Very creative. It's always
[48:49] it's just great to see it come together
[48:50] and I'm excited. So, with that, who
[48:53] would like to make a motion to adjurnn?
[48:55] » I'll make a motion to adjurnn.
[48:56] » Second. All in favor say yes. Yes.