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Call the meeting to order. All rise for
the pledge of allegiance.

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» I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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Roll call. Council member Leech is
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[snorts] Approval of the agenda. Is
there any additions?

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Council have anything?
Do I have a motion to approve the agenda

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as presented?
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» Motion by Joe. Do I have a second?
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» Second by Brad.
>> Call the question. All those in favor

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signify by saying I.
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» Opposed. Motion carries. Four in favor,
none against. Approval of the minutes of

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the August 19th, 2026 regular meeting.
I'll receive them in your packet. Is

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there any corrections or clarifications
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within those minutes?

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Hearing nothing. Do I have a motion to
approve the minutes of the August 19th

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meeting? Motion to approve. Motion by
Scott. Do I have a second?

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» I'll second.
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Any last minute discussion?
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signify by saying I.
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» Opposed. Abstensions. Motion carries.
Four in favor, none against. This now

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brings us to our public open forum. Is
there anyone here that would like to

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speak to the council?
Is there anyone here that would like to

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speak to the council?
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Just a reminder, you have three minutes.
>> Uh, Anna Schmall, 901 Lakeshore Drive.

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I'd like to begin by emphasizing
something that I believe is important. I

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am not against apartment developments.
I'm against the planning that led to

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only having one entry and exit through a
culde-sac. Increased traffic will affect

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the safety of my family, our quality of
life, and our property. Most people

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would be against this entry and exit
option if they lived where we do. We

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have a right to be concerned. My kids
safety matters. I'm genuinely worried

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about the impact of adding traffic.
Fairway pines in the main street are in

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our area, yes, but they connect directly
to Main Street. My concern is where the

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new vehicles will be concentrated and
how they're going to move through the

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area. We can't control whether someone
speeds, rolls through a stop sign, or

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drives carelessly. That is true
everywhere. But here we can control how

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much traffic we intentionally send into
this area in the first place. There's

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been discussion about a three-way stop
sign at Main Street Lakeshore. Maybe

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that would help. Maybe it make it worse
with cars queuing up on Lakeshore.

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Should there be a sidewalk along Case
Stage Drive? Will it help? Have an

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engineer look at that intersection in
that entire route regardless of the

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development size. If the engineer proves
safety, great. If the engineer proves

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lack of safety, let's go back to the
drawing board. I've been told that this

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was my mistake, that we purchased
property next to undeveloped land.

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Lesson learned. I knew the area would
grow, but I never imagined someone

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planned to use a culde-sac as a sole
driveway for a two-story apartment

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building. It's a mistake I'll only make
once. I have 10 years of personal

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experience living in this area and
witnessing safety concerns firsthand. We

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may agree to disagree on those concerns.
I respect that. I don't want to see

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anyone get hurt and then have to wonder
if there was something more I could have

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done. For me, it comes down to doing
what can be done proactively for a safer

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outcome for the future. We're not able
to stay for the remainder of the

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meeting. I thank you for your time.
Whether we agree or disagree, know that

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I have no ill will toward any of you. I
truly and honestly want the best for

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everyone always and in all ways. Thank
you and take care.

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» Thank you.
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Hello, my name is Andy Martin. I am a
partner in the Sock Center 24 LLC. I'm

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also the CEO of GC Real Estate Partners,
which is a property management firm.

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It's been founded in 20 2004. We managed
6,000 apartment buildings. If this

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development is built, we would one be
the owner and we would continue also as

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the manager. Uh requesting that the city
council approve the development as it is

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proposed. Um, you know, I left the
planning commission and the city council

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meetings, uh, the last previous ones
feeling like the bad guy, which was

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disappointing. Um, we, when you're a
developer, you find land in communities

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that needs housing. Uh, that you look
for things that are platted and zoned

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and are ready to go. And that's exactly
what this is. Taking that a step

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further, uh, is that this area has not
changed since it was platted. It's it

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it's exactly played out as how it was
set up to be. Going uh beyond that,

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we're also talking about building a
project that I would argue will be the

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nicest uh project in the entire sock
center community both by amenities and

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features. So, and then one step further,
we are meeting every single piece of the

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zoning and we're exceeding in most
instances of the requirements. So, um,

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couple other things quick that were
brought up in previous meetings. There

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was one comment that said this is not
consistent with the neighborhood. I

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would argue that, um, to the to the end,
there's a sixplex, a 59 plex, senior

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housing, uh, short-term housing next
door for the Eagles Nest. Uh, so it it

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fits right in that use. And then there's
a lot of discussion about second about

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traffic. And that's the thing that has
absolutely got the most attention and

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and um you know I I read through the
packet leading into this and the

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followup information that's been
gathered by the police department and so

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forth and and all of it direct points to
the fact that there's actually a very

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very low use of low number of traffic
within the area especially well what

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it's been constructed and set up for. Um
and so I guess in closing my our

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position is that the development should
go through as planned. Um, you know, we

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can't hold up an a development saying
maybe there could be more traffic. I I

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have a lot of reasons which I won't go
through that I don't think that's the

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case. But and if the addition of more
walkways need to be happen after

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afterward, so be it. And in closing, u
there is also on page 18 of the plan a

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drawing which shows adding walkways.
we're more than happy to agree to do the

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walkways that are with inside of our
development and everything that we

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control out by the front what's what's
noted on. So, with that closing, I hope

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that um again, it's just been this has
been as I'm on the other side of the

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table, but this has been a very
frustrating process that in many

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instances feel like it's just continues
to be dragging out as as the hope that

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it should go away and and we're just
trying to build exactly what the

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intended use was in the highest and
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» Thank you for your time.
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Is there anyone else that would like to
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Brendan Schmall, 901 Lakeshore Drive.
Uh, safety always has been and always

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will be our biggest concern. We've been
told that the development will be safe

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and it won't be that bad. And my
response is simple. We will see. Nobody

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can predict the future, but to me,
adding that many more vehicles and trips

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to this area is asking for trouble. I
hope I am wrong. Our two little girls,

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my wife, and I spend a lot of time
outside, in our yard, driveway, on the

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street, and on the trail. The added 144
vehicle trips will definitely impact

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this. We have been told that we are only
seeing it from one point of view and

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that we are biased, which is fair to say
because it will impact us more than

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most. Of course, we are invested. It's
our front door. But proximity does not

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make our safety metrics wrong. It makes
us the experts on this specific corner.

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There is a need for additional housing
in sock center. We do not have an issue

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with the apartment. When the main
streeter apartment went in, you never

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heard from us. This is because it was a
better plan and the driveway emptied

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onto Main Street. Our only issue is the
apartment using a residential culde-sac

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as a driveway instead of using Main
Street. There has also been talk of a

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sidewalk all along Lakeshore Drive.
Again, this is not something we are

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asking for and has gotten off topic. We
would never ask our neighbors to put a

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sidewalk across their property. What has
been uh what has been asked is to truly

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look at an alternative. This design,
whether original or modified, is flawed.

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Because we were told uh we are only
seeing one side and biased, we contacted

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a number of people to ask their
opinions. We Googled and reached out to

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a number of realators, contractors, and
developers from different towns and

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cities to ask questions. We did not say
what or why we were asking and that we

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just wanted an honest opinion. The cons
consensus was this is not a good plan

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and they do not understand why it would
be done this way. They all pretty much

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said the same thing. This looks like
poor planning and should have been done

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different from the start. It sounds like
a situation of too little too late. This

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does not necessarily have to be. I
believe there is an alternative we if we

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are just willing. The main street or
driveway seems like the most logical

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option. Has this truly been explored to
the fullest? Has compensation for the

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wear and tear on the driveway been
suggested? A reduction in size and

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number of units. Building twin homes, a
land swap, any of these options seem

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like a better choice. As I mentioned, I
hope I am wrong and nothing bad happens,

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but if it does, I truly hope you feel
you have done everything and exhausted

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all options. Thank you.
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Anyone else who would like to speak?

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Call a third time. Is there anyone else
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Okay, seeing no one, our public open
forum is now closed. We have no public

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hearings.
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» We'll move on to reports and
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EDA report, Vicki.

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So, the EDA met today in regular session
at noon. They just had a few items on

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their agenda for discussion. They did
get updates from the chamber and from

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sock center opportunities. Uh the
hospitality study that still continues

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to be a work in progress being sent out
to various hotel franchises and

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developers that may be interested in
working on a hotel. Uh they got an

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update on the author's phase 2
construction. Uh the the curb and

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everything is in now. So it's uh looking
really good. We should be start offering

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them for sale. Actually, we have the
signs up for sale right now, but we're

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not actively doing anything until uh the
paving is in and the lot monuments are

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in there so people can see where they're
going. Uh they also uh discussed the

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apartment complex because that was uh
that whole development was part of the

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EDA and they were the ones that worked
on the 24 unit when it was a tiff

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project a couple years ago. And so they
did give some input on that and reviewed

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it for compliance with uh what the
original plan was. And then also we're

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still waiting to hear back on our SCDP
grant application which was the

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residential rehab. Last year in 2025
they issued the awards on the 12th of

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September. So we're getting pretty
close. We're hoping that we're in that

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same same time frame. Uh
we're hopeful because we did have a

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strong first application. So if we get
that, we'll have that's that $600,000

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grant to help uh with rehab with some
residential homes in Sock Center. Um, a

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have no action tonight for you.
>> Okay. Any questions, comments on that?

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Parks report.
>> Uh, the park board met today at 5:00.

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That was their regular meeting. Uh, they
did get their public works report of

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course. And then the campground, they
got a monthly update on the on the the

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financials for the campground. We have
one month left in there. So, the end of

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September, we'll be closing that up for
the year. Uh, they're unfinished

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business. As you know, the archery range
project, we have not started the archery

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range, but we are starting to work on
what will the rules be and and exactly

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how that final layout will be. I've
asked we've asked the board to kind of

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be thinking about that because at our
next meeting then we'll get into that in

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more detail. They've also been
monitoring the community garden as you

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know uh this last couple years. You
know, there's been less and less

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interest in that. Some people are
interested in having a garden, but not a

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lot are interested in helping to
maintain it. And so, they're keeping an

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eye on that. And at the end of the year,
they'll likely make a recommendation on

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whether it's used, if it's reached its
useful life and is ready to be retired.

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Um, the campground, they have that tent
bathroom that they're looking to do next

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year. And so they're going to be looking
at or giving some ideas of a design idea

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uh for that campground bathroom. Um,
that's of course be pending if it stays

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in the budget until after the first of
the year, but they're still starting to

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work on that. We do have some upgrades
for some of the campsites. Uh, we have a

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few left. I think there's eight of them
left that um still have the old

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electrical underground. So, we'll be
burying in new electrical with their new

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uh services and also straightening a
couple sites out. So, then that'll be

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the final sites and the entire
campground will be um up to code with

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current electrical and water and sewer.
And that's something that was planned

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for this fall. So, they'll likely
depending on I hate to say it if winter

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comes soon or not, but they would be
working on fall or early spring. And

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then also because the water is so low on
Hobok and Creek right now, they're

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looking at getting out there and just
doing that uh clearing of the area where

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the bridge is going to go through and
start looking at that. So, um but that

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was for the pedestrian bridge that's
going to go over it'll come from the

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campground and head out to Hickman Park.
And so that's they have no action items

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for you tonight, but this is kind of
what they're working on.

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» Okay, questions, concerns?
Okay, we'll move on to our action items.

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7 A approve resolution 2026-63
approving the conditional use permit for

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24 unit apartment.
>> So I'm I'm not going to reread the staff

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report from the last meeting. You all
have it in your packet and you had it in

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the minutes. Um but uh at that meeting
nine members of the public spoke in

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opposition to the proposal citing
concerns over parking, pedestrian

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movement and traffic increases as a
result of the proposal. Uh the city

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council ultimately tabled that request
for two weeks directing staff to obtain

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costs to install a sidewalk or trail
connecting Main Street to Kates Estates

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Drive. Since the meeting, the city
council members received additional

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emails from a member of the public
outlining additional proposed

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conditions. They felt the council should
consider. It's up to the council if they

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wish to reopen that to consider
additional public comment or not. That's

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up to you. That's not part of the
packet. I'm more focused on what the

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council had directed staff to do at the
last meeting. Um, a trail could

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potentially be located along the south
side of Lakeshore Drive from Maine to

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Kates Estates, then cross to the east
side of Kates and then into the

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entrance. As you see that is in the
drawing there that that we do that see

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how that could potentially look. We got
some cost of installation of the trail.

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Um, and this is actually I think from
Lakeshore Drive uh and then down to the

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um apartment but not within the
apartment. So that's about a $20,000

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cost to do that. Uh in addition uh since
that meeting uh this the Stock Center

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police chief was out there and you have
his report where he's had that since the

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last council meeting their department
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vehicle traffic in the area of Main
Street, Lakeshore and Lake Bridge. The

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amount of traffic is notice of there has
been much more underwhelming that has

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been advertised. They have some
solutions that would slow down traffic.

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However, there uh his recommendation
could be a three-way stop at Main Street

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and Lakes Shore Drive. So, all three
directions they have to stop, a stop

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sign at at Kate's Estates and Lakeshore
Drive, and I believe that was already in

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the proposal. And then stop signs at
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further to the east. Um, and then of
course, if the apartments go in, we'd

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have a stop sign coming out of the
apartment complex. Uh, they would make

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the entire length of Main Street going
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per hour. Um, and there's 30 mile power
signs down to the far south end, but

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then it's not signed. we put some more
signs up that that would maintain 30 the

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entire length. In the past, that was a
higher speed road. Uh he recommend they

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could put up fluorescent pedestrian
walking signs in the area. You know, not

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the flashing ones, but those, you know,
the ones that showed that there's

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pedestrians. Um and of course, he said
that they could make a bike or

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pedestrian lane along the entire length
of Lake Shore if that's a concern.

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However, that would eliminate parking on
that side of the road. Uh he said we as

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the police department could beef up
patrols out there if needed. However,

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they have not seen a heavy number of
speeders. Uh they were out there with

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Mark patrol cars, his low profile, low
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with LAR checking speeds. Um most of the
pedestrian traffic were adults and any

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under 18 were accompanied by adults. So
he did put in a stop sign location

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proposal in your packet which are the
ones that I just had mentioned. And then

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also to further evaluate traffic because
that seemed to be the most concern. Uh

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we reached out to colleagues at MIDOT
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perceived traffic impacts and a traffic
impact study. They said due to the small

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scope of the project, there wouldn't be
a large enough sampling to make a

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definitive determination to make any
impactful changes. That's what they I

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was told. And MINDOT noted that they did
review the project proposal in relation

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to its roundabout and they determined no
impact for that as well. Um, as you

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know, traffic impact studies are usually
when a proposed project will generate

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like 100 more vehicles per hour. Uh,
we've done a couple of them. We did one

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for Walmart. We did one for Quick Trip.
We haven't had to do one for a

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residential one, not in the time that
I've been here anyway. Um, and of

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course, these studies will take 3 to six
months to complete if we were to do

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that. Um, also any additions and you
have the resolution which has all the

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conditions and the findings in your
packet. If you want to make any

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additional conditions or changes, they
should be stated for inclusion in the

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resolution. So if you make a motion one
way or the other and you have any

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changes to the resolution in the packet,
then you should state them at that time

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so we make sure they're in the record.
So the the request tonight is the

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approval of the resolution approving uh
resolution 2026-63

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add approving the request for the
conditional use permit to Saxiner LLC

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24 LLC 24.
Do you have any questions for me?

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questions, concerns [snorts]

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otherwise I will look for a motion.

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» Vicki, I have a couple questions.
>> Sure. Um,

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talking about conditions
specifically, um, and I know I sent you

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a email with a number of conditions
outlining the majority of the conditions

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that were also submitted by, uh, the
general public. Um, I'm not going to ask

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you to add them all into the con into
any uh specific

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conditions here, but there was a lot of
them that talked about the traffic

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study. And you stated that the traffic
study was only typically warranted when

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there's greater vehicles than what's
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Correct.
>> That's what Yes.

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» And that was that was information you
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who?
Mindat and Sterns County Highway

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Engineer.
>> Um, is there specific

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numbers that meet the criteria of when a
study should be done outside of the 100

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for residential?
>> Well, that's when when they're generally

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if you're going to bring a commercial
and that's most of the time when they

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come in is when there's going to be a
commercial. If there's going to and like

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they said before, they'll do like 100
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100 per hour. That that is the number
that they gave me is typically when they

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would start requiring one.
>> So with that, I did do a little research

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on that and and MINDOT traffic impact
study guidance is generally not

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warranted for developments generating
less than 250 peak hour vehicle trips or

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2500 new daily trips unless there's
unusual circumstances. So that's from

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MDOT's guidance.
>> Thank you.

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» Okay. Any [clears throat] other
questions,

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comments?

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» So, my general thoughts are um you know,
we look back to this and we

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um zoned that as R2 back in 2005, our
comprehensive plan in 2018. Uh labeled

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that for highdensity uh living, which is
what the developer is, you know,

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suggesting in this spot. So, it's zoned
appropriately and it meets that those

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criteria. When that comprehensive plan
was [clears throat] presented in 2018,

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there was a public hearing. At our
planning and zoning, we also had a

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approval at the council level. Um, I did
rewatch that council meeting and there

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was no comments opposed to the zoning
the plan at that time. Uh, with that

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being said, I I know this traffic impact
study is a big thing. Um but with 144

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proposed daily trips, it falls
underneath the the peak hour

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uh demands for a study from MNDOT. Peak
hour generation from this is

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approximately 15. Even if we go to 20,
you're looking at one vehicle every 3

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minutes on average. We go to that
three-way stop. Um did a quick AI search

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study on that says about 4 seconds it
would clear that intersection, those

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vehicles. So we would pass through quite
a significant amount of vehicles in that

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time. You know, even the 144 in 1 hour.
So looking at that, the traffic demands

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for those those studies would would meet
that criteria. Um I mean, you know,

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we're looking at market rate rents and a
developer who's interested in in coming

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to town, increasing our tax base,
helping our our revenue generation for

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this community. Um all intents and
purposes. I mean, this looks like a very

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nice nicely done uh development and
reading the article from the planning

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and zoning commission what what the
amenities are going to be. So, there's a

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lot of positives that that come out of
this and again it's zoned appropriately

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meets those conditions. I I understand
the concerns of the neighborhood and the

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traffic increase. Um it's it's more than
what they're accustomed to, but I I can

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attribute to I live on a dead end road
for 11 years and now I've got uh you

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know 40 new lots that are in in the
neighborhood and another 40 that are

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planned there. So that's that's how
things go and they change um with it and

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you know as as you do your due diligence
whether you're buying or or already

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there and studying that is is you see
what may come from a from a property

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site and how it's done. So um with that
I mean my my thoughts are um in support

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of approval of the conditional use
permit.

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» Okay. Is that a motion? [clears throat]
>> I just giving my opinion at this time.

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I'm I'm I'm letting everyone share share
their share their positions and issue.

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We'll uh we'll we'll make our motion as
it relates to the itself.

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» If you don't mind, I'll make a few
comments. Um couple thoughts come. This

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is our third third meeting in in
reference to this uh development and I

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can understand from the developer that
it seems like um you know, we're kind of

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against it. I think in every meeting and
every person that spoke, everybody

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stated we're in favor of an apartment
building. There's been no question about

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that from the get-go. I think how it
ended up, where you're at, and how that

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land got to a point to where it would
come and be designed and developed off

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the end of the culde-sac is an oversight
on the city's part, not you as the

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developer. In my opinion, when that was
brought up and when the when Main

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Streeters apartment was built, there was
still access to Main Street after that.

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Correct.
>> No.

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» No.
>> There was no access after Main Streeters

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apartment went up.
>> When that when it was platted, Main

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Streeters had a lot and this lot and
then [clears throat] the third lot that

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Brock built, there was [snorts] it was
platted into three lots. The two

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accessed on to Kates and the one onto
Main Street.

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» Right.
>> So, in the original plan, let's go all

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the way back then to 2005. That was an
entire field.

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» You mean like the 2002 plan?
>> The 2002 plan.

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» The 2002 plan. Kates Estates was a
through road and came down to Fairway

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Pines area.
>> Okay.

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Very interesting. So in all of these
different developments, in all of these

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different plans, the city never once
took upon themselves to say, we now have

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this acreage on the far back of all of
this land that was open along Main

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Street North to be apartment complexes,
and we put ourselves in this position

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that we're in today. Well, when the city
developed this section of it, we only

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had this small area. That was the part
that the developer let go tax forfeit

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that then we picked up. So, we didn't
have control of the whole thing. Uh we

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just had control of that part of it. And
the and the city did look at several

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different options of how to make that
work. Um and their initial one was a

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through road that came down Kates and
went out main streeters, but because of

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the shoreland in order to push the
density further away from the shoreland

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because this had bigger apartments where
he's building and so they pushed the

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density south and then they needed that
extra land to get it down there. So then

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that made this terminate in the
culde-sac because of it being only 24

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units. At that point they said, "Okay,
then the culde-sac will be fine and it

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doesn't need to be a through road." And
so that's kind of how that happened was

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that they looked at a couple different
options and this was the option that was

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selected. Because of it being in
Shorland, they had to have less density

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toward the lake, push the density to the
south, away from the lake, requiring

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that to be a bigger lot, meaning it went
all the way across and now there was no

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room for the road anymore. So that's how
that that's how that evolved over time.

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Again,
I think as this whole area got

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developed, we still found ourselves in a
predicament that we are now at a point

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of allowing because that's how we
designated highdensity, you know, um,

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residential area to develop a 24 unit in
a shoreland district, which I think that

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in itself has a different conversation,
but you know, um,

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off of a culde-sac and I just can't
imagine we would do that. This just my

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own opinion. I just can't imagine we
would do that, but we did. And so now

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what do we do? We got we can only apply
conditions. At the end of the day, we

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can only apply conditions because we can
request

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smaller
size of complex.

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My vision was is if you would have
presented a 12 unit, I would have

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probably supported that. You know why? I
can give you the reason. Because if you

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look at the size of the property and you
look at the number of duplexes that are

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currently there and you say, "Well, this
size of property and how it's developed

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here potentially, best case scenario, we
could get six duplexes, 12 residential

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units, 12 houses. I could support a
12unit apartment complex because there's

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reasoning.
Right now, we're just saying, well,

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we're going to do 24 units because,
well, we there's a need for it."

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Um
my other thoughts are is we also know

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that there's a property that's to the
south, large field that's not been

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developed, um potential develop whether
it's uh that land. An additional

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condition that if the council feels we
have to move forward in that direction

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to me would be to add language that
would um

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I can't use the word require but that
would entertain the idea of additional

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um relationship with the developers to
that property to potentially bring

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another access into or exit into that
apartment complex. it looks like the way

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you have it laid out on your design,
there's plenty of room in that southeast

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corner to do so. Um, again, trying to
find ways, trying to find solutions so

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that maybe when the additional land gets
proposed, maybe when additional land

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gets developed to the south, we can
still address some of these traffic

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concerns. [clears throat]
I don't know that the traffic concerns

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ever is going to go away. It's there. um
sidewalks. As far as I'm concerned, the

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sidewalk should be uh installed all the
way along as proposed and it should be

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the cost of the developer. We wouldn't
be putting in the sidewalks if it wasn't

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for this development.
Um just my opinion on the sidewalks and

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I agree with uh Mr. Jensen uh in his
observations on the stop signs and the

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speed control uh seems sufficient.
That's my thoughts.

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Okay.
>> Any [clears throat] other comments?

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» Well, everybody else put their two cents
in, so I'm going to as well. Um, with

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00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:35,760
that sidewalk, I'm I'm for the one in
between Kates Estates and Main Street

409
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:39,679
North. It's the residents on Lakeshore
Drive that are having the issue with the

410
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:44,640
traffic.
There's there's what, six units, five

411
00:29:42,559 --> 00:29:48,960
units down Kate Estates? six
>> six units

412
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:53,679
» that if the property owners want
sidewalks down that it's they're not the

413
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:56,159
ones that really spoke and against it
with the traffic. It was more that they

414
00:29:55,120 --> 00:30:00,159
just didn't want it in their
neighborhood. But the people on

415
00:29:58,399 --> 00:30:05,520
Lakeshore Drive aren't going to be using
one down estate. So that there,

416
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:08,640
you know, then the property owners have
to maintain it. You know, I wish I

417
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:12,080
didn't have a sidewalk in my property
because I have to maintain it because if

418
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:16,080
I don't, I'm going to get fined from the
city. So, I have to maintain it. That's

419
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,559
another requirement they're not looking
at. They're going to have to make sure

420
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:22,399
it's shoveled. It's contract snow
removal. And as far as the traffic

421
00:30:21,575 --> 00:30:29,919
[clears throat] numbers are always
brought, 144 additional vehicles per

422
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:34,480
day. There's 1440 minutes in a day. Take
that, divide it by 144. That's one car

423
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:38,000
every 10 minutes. Okay? Yeah. They're
not going to be driving at hours a day.

424
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:44,240
will take it at 12-h hour period from
7:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m. That's one

425
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:47,679
additional car every 5 minutes.
There is more than that. There's a guy

426
00:30:46,159 --> 00:30:52,159
in my neighborhood that drives by my
house every 10 minutes. I'm not going to

427
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:56,960
say anything to him because it's his
right. It's a public use road. He can

428
00:30:54,640 --> 00:31:01,440
use it. I'm not going to complain about
it because people are just driving

429
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:03,679
around and people aren't going to be
driving in there. They might drive in

430
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:08,399
there to start with to look at the
apartment, but then it's going to be the

431
00:31:05,039 --> 00:31:12,080
residents going to work, going to
wherever they're going to the grocery

432
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:17,200
store or whatever. If that's one
additional car every 5 minutes, that is

433
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:23,360
so minuscule in the grand scheme of what
sock center has with traffic going

434
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:27,840
through this town. So, I understand the
concerns of people driving by. I drive

435
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:33,919
that road almost every day. Do I have
to? No. But I choose to because it's a

436
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:38,880
cut across from Lake Shore out 271. I'll
stop driving it. I if if traffic's an

437
00:31:36,399 --> 00:31:42,720
issue,
I'll stop driving. That'll be one less

438
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:46,960
car. So then we're down to 143 trips a
day. So

439
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:50,960
I don't see where the big concern is.
And if we have the subject matter expert

440
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:58,399
with the police chief saying that he has
no safety public safety concerns with

441
00:31:53,679 --> 00:32:01,440
the increased traffic in that area.
That's who I'm going to go with. I'm not

442
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:07,519
going to take a former military guy like
myself, you as a route driver for your

443
00:32:04,399 --> 00:32:11,519
input on a public safety aspect. I'm
going to listen to the guy that's in

444
00:32:08,559 --> 00:32:15,039
charge. He has no concerns. There's
always going to be a concern because

445
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:19,360
people are dumb, stupid, whatever, and
drive that way. We're never going to fix

446
00:32:17,039 --> 00:32:22,960
that. Whether it's on case estates, Lake
Shore, Main Street, the interstate, it

447
00:32:21,679 --> 00:32:27,279
doesn't matter. It's it's going to
happen. There's accidents happen because

448
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:33,039
they're called accidents. We can
mitigate it as much as we can with speed

449
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:37,840
control, extra squad patrols, stop
signs, stuff like that there. I think we

450
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:44,480
need to put in the additional measures
to slow the traffic, but we cannot deny

451
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:49,200
a developer or make him move his
property somewhere else when he has met

452
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:53,840
all of the requirements per city code
planning and zoning. We cannot deny him

453
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:57,919
that. He has every right. That'd be like
me telling you that you can only build a

454
00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:01,760
patio home on your property. Even though
you can build whatever you want as long

455
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:07,039
as [clears throat] it's within zoning,
we cannot

456
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:11,039
deprive somebody their livelihood
because people have concerns and I get

457
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:16,640
the concerns. I really do. But that's
why we need to put in the mig mitigation

458
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:21,200
of traffic control and the PD. And like
Joe said, if there's extra patrols that

459
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:24,559
are required, go talk to him, go talk to
Melissa. They will increase patrols.

460
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:28,159
They're doing it out on Belt Line right
now because of the increased traffic on

461
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:32,720
Fridays and Sundays.
They focus their needs to where it needs

462
00:33:31,039 --> 00:33:36,559
to be. And if this is an area that it
needs to be, especially to start with,

463
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:41,840
and start issuing tickets, people are
going to realize that this is not a

464
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:45,600
place we can speed. So,
I

465
00:33:43,679 --> 00:33:52,080
I don't foresee an issue with that going
in there. E 24 units or if it's a 12unit

466
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:57,519
town home or patio homes there. Again,
we cannot force him to build patio

467
00:33:54,640 --> 00:34:01,519
homes. And patio homes are different
than

468
00:33:59,279 --> 00:34:04,720
rental units. A lot of people need the
short-term rentals because either

469
00:34:03,039 --> 00:34:09,599
they're just starting out in their
career here in Sock Center or the area

470
00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:14,800
or they're a newly married couple, don't
have the financing to put down a down

471
00:34:11,839 --> 00:34:18,879
payment on a house. So, a lot of people
live in apartments for one to two years

472
00:34:16,879 --> 00:34:25,679
and move on to with their career or
their or their family life. So, we are

473
00:34:22,720 --> 00:34:30,399
in a need of
nice, decent, short-term housing here in

474
00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:36,159
town. So, that's my two piece or two
cents worth.

475
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:41,280
Okay.
I guess I'm

476
00:34:38,240 --> 00:34:45,839
with Brad's comments, I'm a little
confused on where he's [clears throat]

477
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:49,919
really coming from because at a previous
council meeting, you told us the city

478
00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:53,839
shouldn't be in the development
business. we should leave it up to

479
00:34:51,359 --> 00:34:58,400
developers. So now we got a developer
sitting here that wants to develop and

480
00:34:55,839 --> 00:35:03,520
you're nitpicking him to the point that
he could walk away or it's not going to

481
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:09,880
happen. So I got to try to understand
which side of the fence you're standing

482
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,880
on. Um

483
00:35:10,240 --> 00:35:18,720
the other point is that we talked land
swap and all that and putting it out on

484
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:24,480
the west side of town. We legally can't
do that because that'd be called spot

485
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:29,920
zoning, which is against state law. You
can't you can only

486
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:35,119
go and change the zoning if it's
adjacent to an existing zone. So, this

487
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:42,000
is
um R2 multif family dwelling. We can't

488
00:35:39,839 --> 00:35:45,680
just drop a multifamily dwelling in the
middle of a residential or an industrial

489
00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:50,880
park or anything because it's against
the state law. So

490
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:56,320
that needs to be brought up so people
don't think that we're not looking at

491
00:35:52,400 --> 00:36:02,400
that. Um I did agree with Joel one when
he mentioned that uh we came along and

492
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:08,320
had the public hearings for the
comprehensive plan. We had the hearings

493
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:11,920
for the reasonzoning.
There wasn't anybody here that had a

494
00:36:09,839 --> 00:36:18,079
comment and had anything against any of
it. And we've had openings on,

495
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:21,520
you know, I everybody cheered when I
said, "Yeah, we maybe went the wrong

496
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:26,000
direction."
That's hindsight's 2020.

497
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:29,119
But also, in the last 20 years, I
haven't seen anybody stepping up and

498
00:36:27,839 --> 00:36:32,800
putting their name on the planning
commission or the park board or anything

499
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:38,640
else
if they knew better than what we were

500
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:45,960
told we were elected to do.
So, it's kind of contradictory on their

501
00:36:41,359 --> 00:36:45,960
part, too. Um,

502
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:55,200
to me, we got a developer sitting here.
He's met all the qualifications.

503
00:36:51,839 --> 00:37:00,160
You know, we could probably reszone
the golf course. And if we did that, we

504
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:03,599
went through that already. We know what
happens there because the that same

505
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:07,920
whole north end all of a sudden didn't
want nothing.

506
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:10,240
So we could if we reszone the golf
course, we could put it right across

507
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:16,480
your driveway.
>> Perfect.

508
00:37:13,119 --> 00:37:19,920
» So, but you know the only thing is is we
got to look at the infrastructure that's

509
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:24,320
there. The infrastructure is there for
that.

510
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:28,640
So
that's my

511
00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:31,839
opinion.
There's nothing else. Do I have

512
00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:35,920
» I do have a comment since you wanted to
single me out. So, let me just uh try to

513
00:37:33,839 --> 00:37:38,480
help help you understand a little bit.
First of all, I like how you always

514
00:37:37,119 --> 00:37:43,520
address me personally. That's really
appreciative. But secondly, let me just

515
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:46,160
tell you, let me tell you this. Um
>> I can't think of a time that you've

516
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:53,119
probably agreed with me since I've
started. So, that's that's normal. And

517
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:58,400
so, I expect you. But in regards to
why am I in so in opposition of it?

518
00:37:56,720 --> 00:38:02,079
Because in every meeting we've had a
full house and these people have never

519
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:06,560
seemed like they really don't make a
dang bit of difference. Nobody seems to

520
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:10,560
be listening to
everybody that has spoke spoke in

521
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:14,880
opposition
other than the developer.

522
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:20,640
Every one of them that have spoke spoke
in opposition.

523
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:25,599
So at some point people do have an input
of what happens in their neighborhoods.

524
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:32,640
People do and should have a have input
in how the city plans and develops. At

525
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:38,720
some point, we the council need to take
into consideration the impact on the

526
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:44,240
people that it is in this case abetting
or or next to. And yep, you're right.

527
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:48,640
The city has, you know, we we've had a
lot of different developments that have

528
00:38:45,839 --> 00:38:54,560
come and gone. You know what? If if it's
about just simply looking at it and

529
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:57,440
saying, "Okay, it meets the criteria. It
meets the criteria. It meets the

530
00:38:56,079 --> 00:39:01,920
criteria." Doesn't matter what people
think. Meets the criteria. You can have

531
00:38:59,359 --> 00:39:08,320
them all over. You can have we can have
all sorts of things happening, right?

532
00:39:05,119 --> 00:39:10,720
So, I guess in regards to to your
comments, what side of the fence, I've

533
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:15,359
always been pretty clear, and I think
you can ask anybody out there what side

534
00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:19,920
of the fence I'm on, is I like to listen
to the people. I like to make decisions

535
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:23,440
not only based on the people, but also
what's best for the community in the

536
00:39:21,359 --> 00:39:27,040
bigger picture. We're not going to agree
to this obviously. It's we're we're on

537
00:39:25,599 --> 00:39:31,839
two different sides and that's that's
perfectly fine. That's that's the world

538
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:36,560
we live in. That's fantastic. But as far
as me personally and singling me out,

539
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:39,680
thanks. But I don't need [clears throat]
>> just

540
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,240
to kind of address listening to the
people and stuff. Yes, certainly we

541
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:45,280
we've heard what they've had to say.
we've listen we've taken that input into

542
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:49,839
it to be tabled it to to study this
further. Um you talk about you know

543
00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:55,920
having their input and stuff to make
those decisions. Certainly that's that's

544
00:39:52,480 --> 00:40:01,200
a factor but when it's zoned the way it
is we've got these things set up. We

545
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:05,040
need to follow the the laws that dictate
the approval and stuff. making a a

546
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:08,079
decision because the opposition in the
neighborhood would be, you know,

547
00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:12,079
arbitrary and capriccious denial,
opening us up to litigation that the

548
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:15,680
developer would be able to obviously
probably win in a court of law and this

549
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:20,480
would still be approved and go through.
It's just delays his process. And if we

550
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:24,720
were going to make decisions strictly on
the opposition or who speaks the

551
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:28,000
loudest, nothing would ever happen in
the community because there's always

552
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:32,400
going to be a group opposed to certain
things. Uh, I mean, we see, you know,

553
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:35,839
the the development there, the old
interpretive center where we've got now

554
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:39,040
Quick Trip going in. You know, how many
people are opposed to that property

555
00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:41,680
being developed, you know, how many
people are opposed to what went in

556
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:44,320
there, you know, why didn't we choose a
better business, things like that.

557
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:48,240
There's always going to be opposition to
everything. You need to make your

558
00:40:45,359 --> 00:40:52,480
decisions based on good planning, what's
correct to the community and and what

559
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:55,920
the greater enhancement is. I mean, we
have, yes, opposition in the

560
00:40:53,680 --> 00:41:01,119
neighborhood. There's support in the
neighborhood as well um that I've spoken

561
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:04,640
to. The broader community also does
warrant their input as well and from

562
00:41:03,359 --> 00:41:07,920
what I've heard from them too, their
support for this this project and

563
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:11,680
understanding that yes, there are
concerns but there is a benefit to the

564
00:41:10,319 --> 00:41:14,720
community and it's the community as a
whole. Not we're not making decisions

565
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:18,560
neighborhood by neighborhood because
again we would never accomplish anything

566
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:22,720
in this community. And
>> I want to just caveat on what Joel said

567
00:41:20,079 --> 00:41:28,720
there too because I that's exactly what
I was going to say as well too. The

568
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:31,920
people on any public hearing or any
issue like this here, the only person

569
00:41:30,319 --> 00:41:38,079
that normally speaks in favor of that
project is either the land owner or the

570
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:43,839
developer. Um I've sat in on planning
and zoning for variances. The only one

571
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:47,520
that ever speaks in favor of it is the
person that wants to do the project. the

572
00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:50,880
people that are speaking in opposition
of it there there's there's people that

573
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:53,440
have legitimate gripes. The schmoles
live right at the end of Kesates. I get

574
00:41:52,319 --> 00:41:57,839
that. The people that live on Kates
Estates, I get that. But then you have

575
00:41:55,200 --> 00:42:03,200
Emily Dunn who lives a third of a mile
away to the east. You have Amy T.

576
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:11,200
Schaefer that lives over a half a mile
away with a loud voice about this and I

577
00:42:08,319 --> 00:42:16,000
live a half a mile away. It it's not
affecting us like it is these other

578
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:18,880
people. So, it's the people that
are speaking in opposition that are the

579
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:23,280
ones that are going to speak. The people
that want the project, because I have

580
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:26,560
spoken to other people that live on
Lakes Shore Drive. I'm not going to

581
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:32,079
mention names. If people want to know,
they can come talk to me afterwards, but

582
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:36,880
they're 100% in support of it. So, we're
not hearing their voices because it's

583
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:42,400
already been
the plat is there. the

584
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:48,079
all we are doing is putting conditions
on it. Now everything is approved and

585
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:52,720
stamped for the developer to proceed
except for

586
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:58,800
us passing this conditional use permit.
So nobody really needs to speak in favor

587
00:42:55,280 --> 00:43:02,560
of it because it's already there and on
the docket to be built. It's just

588
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:08,000
waiting for the conditions to be
assigned to it. But you have, if I can,

589
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:12,480
you have to remember we have to approve
the conditional use permit. That is

590
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:17,280
their chance to be heard. That is our
chance to do the due diligence. There is

591
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:22,800
a one step that requires approval. It
ain't just a stamp. We are we have to

592
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:28,720
approve the conditional use permit.
That's our way to put whether it's

593
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:31,599
input, whether it's reducing the size,
whether it's sidewalks. That's why it's

594
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:35,359
here.
>> That's what we're doing. And that's why

595
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:40,960
we all voted besides one person last
meeting to table it so that we could get

596
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:43,359
further input. So we are doing our due
diligence.

597
00:43:41,839 --> 00:43:49,680
» We have listened. We've I've gotten
emails. I've gotten phone calls.

598
00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:52,480
So we have listened to that and the
conditions are in here. The only other

599
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:56,079
condition I would like to see is is
probably just that one stretch of

600
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:59,599
sidewalk from Kates Estates to Main
Street because that is going to what's

601
00:43:58,240 --> 00:44:04,560
going to affect the residents here that
are voicing their opinion. The other

602
00:44:01,359 --> 00:44:08,720
piece of it down Lakeshore Drive, no.
The piece down Kates Estates, we could,

603
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:14,240
but that's going to affect six
buildings. Really

604
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:17,760
» or you got nine units with the the six
that park along or the three on the

605
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:20,079
sixlex side there?
>> Yeah. And which side do we put it on?

606
00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:22,400
You know, and even the one that's
connecting the trailer, it's only going

607
00:44:21,119 --> 00:44:27,839
to be it's going to be another dead end
sidewalk that goes nowhere except for

608
00:44:25,359 --> 00:44:35,359
into the street.
So, I know we've discussed sidewalks

609
00:44:31,599 --> 00:44:40,560
at meetings with the whole Highway 71
construction project, the the author's

610
00:44:38,319 --> 00:44:45,200
edition. It always the sidewalks always
are an issue because they don't go to

611
00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:49,359
anywhere but a dead end. But this here
is a good connecting piece to that trail

612
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:54,319
for those residents of where that
traffic congestion or the increased

613
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:58,240
traffic is going to start, which is at
that intersection.

614
00:44:56,319 --> 00:45:04,240
I believe they've brought many people.
Everybody that spoke had brought reasons

615
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:08,079
why um and concerns.
Um so I I think it's not just because

616
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:12,400
they're the loudest. They actually
brought legitimate things to the table

617
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:15,599
for us to consider. That's my opinion.
>> Correct.

618
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:18,400
» I agree with that. I mean, I'm not
saying I'm just again the loudest

619
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:21,680
voices, the people that are are the one
making their voices heard, right? Or

620
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:26,000
bringing those concerns and we're we're
validating. We're listening to them and

621
00:45:24,079 --> 00:45:30,400
taking their input. Again, that's why we
tabled it to to hear those voices and

622
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:35,280
and study this further.
>> But again, right, if we had the 15 20

623
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:39,280
people who are in support of the project
speaking too, it it'd be the same thing.

624
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:43,440
They just chose not to step in front of
the crowd, whether it's fear of being

625
00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:46,560
alienated in the neighborhood or
anything like that. Or they just don't

626
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:49,119
don't want to be like that. I you know,
again, everybody has their reasons for

627
00:45:48,079 --> 00:45:52,119
speaking or not speaking.
>> Yep.

628
00:45:53,040 --> 00:46:00,400
Okay. Any other comments?
Otherwise, I will look for a motion.

629
00:45:58,319 --> 00:46:05,839
» I'll make a motion with the conditions
that are currently listed in the

630
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:11,200
resolution and then also to add the ones
that uh Chief Jensen had put in with the

631
00:46:08,319 --> 00:46:15,040
stop signs and marking the speed limits,
but that's going to be something that's

632
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:19,119
not going to be on the developer. But I
think that is one of the mitigation

633
00:46:17,119 --> 00:46:24,480
things that we can do as a council and
as a city to control that traffic.

634
00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:28,880
» Okay. So it wouldn't be part of his
conditional use permit. It's something

635
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:32,160
requested by that that the city will
take care of.

636
00:46:29,839 --> 00:46:35,359
» Okay.
>> I have a motion. Do I have a second?

637
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:38,960
» So your proposal is just the sidewalk
from

638
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:43,359
Main Street to Kates.
>> Nothing as far as from Kates to

639
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:46,960
Lakeshore.
>> No.

640
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:52,560
We want to would we want to state that
if we see a need that that would be you

641
00:46:49,599 --> 00:46:58,079
know we can we can put you know put that
in in the future if we see a need

642
00:46:55,200 --> 00:47:01,359
» need for the project that he you know we
put it in at his cost at that time.

643
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:04,960
» We got a motion. I need a second and
then we can discuss more and he can

644
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:07,440
amend his
>> Okay. I'll second his motion.

645
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:12,400
» Okay.
>> Okay. So I will that's a good point Joel

646
00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:17,119
and that's I I appreciate the input. So
yeah, I'll amend that if there is a need

647
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:20,800
in the future
from

648
00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:25,040
Lakeshore Drive down Kates Estates to
the Culdeac

649
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:28,480
to that third twin home down on the
south

650
00:47:25,599 --> 00:47:33,160
» with a proposal on the south or east
side as it's in the map.

651
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,160
» Yes.

652
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,960
And not in front of the twin homes, but
in front of the other side.

653
00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:41,960
» Correct.
>> Okay.

654
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:49,760
Any other discussion
>> is there? So the questions then as far

655
00:47:46,240 --> 00:47:53,119
as sidewalks in his development that's
not a requirement

656
00:47:51,839 --> 00:47:56,960
that's going to bring it from the
apartment out to the

657
00:47:54,960 --> 00:48:01,040
» that's on that's really on him. That's
that's not going to affect

658
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:03,520
what we're looking at here really I
don't think.

659
00:48:01,599 --> 00:48:07,359
» Okay. So, and then
>> he's already stated that he he'll take

660
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:10,640
care of anything internally. And if
that's something that his residents

661
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:15,839
would like, you know, that that's that's
not something that we're looking at

662
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:19,920
because they're not expressing their
concern over sidewalks inside the

663
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:24,400
development itself.
>> Okay. Just asking for clarification.

664
00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:31,440
» That's on his property anyway. So,
>> so then also are you are you referencing

665
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:36,000
in your conditions the stop sign
as presented in this drawing here which

666
00:48:33,839 --> 00:48:40,880
shows a three-way stop at Maine and
Lakeshore, a stop sign at Kate's Drive,

667
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:46,400
and a stop sign at the
>> all the access.

668
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:49,440
» Chief Johnson had put in his letter
those conditions, but that's not a

669
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:53,599
condition for the developer. That's
something that the city will obviously

670
00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:56,319
install.
>> What about the stop sign out of his out

671
00:48:55,359 --> 00:48:58,400
of his
>> out of his driveway?

672
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,240
» Driveway. Is that that his
responsibility?

673
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:03,200
» That's one of them.
>> Yeah, that'll be one, I guess. Yeah. Out

674
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:08,800
of his getting on
>> right away then.

675
00:49:06,559 --> 00:49:11,200
» Okay. So, that' be four more or no, six
more.

676
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:18,160
» Yes.
>> Six more stop signs up there.

677
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:22,319
Okay.
We have a motion and a second. Does

678
00:49:20,079 --> 00:49:26,440
everybody
understand the motion?

679
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:31,440
» Hearing nothing. I'll call the question.
All those in favor signify by saying I.

680
00:49:31,119 --> 00:49:33,839
I.
>> I. Opposed.

681
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:38,800
» I.
>> Motion carries. Three in favor, one

682
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:42,880
against.
7B, accept resignation, ambulance

683
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:47,200
department.
So, so we have four four uh members of

684
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:51,760
the ambulance department that have uh
submitted their resignations. Harry Dunn

685
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:56,800
on August 20th, Libby Matthews on August
20th, Tim Dval on August 6th, and Jordan

686
00:49:54,319 --> 00:50:02,240
Hartman on August 31st. These are people
that have been not been taking call over

687
00:49:58,720 --> 00:50:06,720
a long period of time. And so, uh they
have now just decided not to be to be no

688
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:11,240
longer part of the service. So, looking
to accept the resignations as presented.

689
00:50:11,839 --> 00:50:17,599
Okay.
Questions, concerns?

690
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:20,480
» I have a question. Four resignations at
one time. Is that not a concern or is

691
00:50:20,079 --> 00:50:23,920
that just
>> They're all moved out or moved on.

692
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:28,800
» Basically, two of them have jobs
elsewhere and haven't been taking calls

693
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:35,359
or doing anything. Kathy has left most
of them on just in goodwill.

694
00:50:32,559 --> 00:50:42,720
» No. And now that Brian has taken over,
he is looking at the roster and is

695
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:47,920
working on if you're not there to take
calls for some other reason. Um, one

696
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:50,720
joined the Air Force, another one's
working in Wadina.

697
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:55,760
So, it's
>> and they got a couple other

698
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:59,680
paramedics that are possibly going to be
coming to our ambulance service as well.

699
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:03,760
» He's just basically cleaning house. If
they don't want to take calls and it's

700
00:51:01,119 --> 00:51:06,640
been a period of time, there's no need
for having you on the roster.

701
00:51:05,359 --> 00:51:11,839
» Well, I know. Yeah. Two of them. One
moved, got a job out of town and so he's

702
00:51:09,359 --> 00:51:15,520
he's moved and then another one was uh
for his career path is also resigning

703
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,440
for that. So, I mean,
>> yeah,

704
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:20,720
» I know I know those ones. Yeah, they
they're they're pursuing other

705
00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:22,960
opportunities. So, it's not like they
weren't taking calls necessarily for two

706
00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:26,480
of them.
>> Um

707
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:28,160
» yeah, the other ones just hadn't been
>> they're on the roster. They were there,

708
00:51:27,839 --> 00:51:30,720
but
>> they decided to step away.

709
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:34,255
» Fair enough.
>> Okay. Any other questions?

710
00:51:32,319 --> 00:51:36,275
» I question the same thing, Brad.
[laughter]

711
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:41,119
» Um, do I have a motion to accept the
resignations as presented?

712
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,440
» So, move.
>> Motion by Brad. Do I have a second?

713
00:51:42,720 --> 00:51:48,000
» I'll second.
>> Second by Joe.

714
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:50,000
Call the question. All those in favor
signify by saying I.

715
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:56,160
» I. I.
>> Opposed. Motion carries. Four in favor.

716
00:51:52,960 --> 00:52:00,800
None against. 7 C. Approve pay request
number one. author's edition number two

717
00:51:59,119 --> 00:52:04,640
or addition two.
>> So pay request one has been received

718
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:09,200
from Stantech on behalf of Lour
Construction for work completed for

719
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:14,960
author's edition 2 through August 13th.
Uh the contract or the work completed

720
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:21,359
today is 620,67161.
We do retain 5%. And so the amount due

721
00:52:17,839 --> 00:52:25,040
with this request is 58963803.
So we're looking to approve that pay

722
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:31,520
request number one to Lour Construction
for that amount.

723
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:34,960
questions, concerns.
Do I have a motion to approve pay

724
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:38,400
request number one?
>> Motion to approve.

725
00:52:35,839 --> 00:52:43,359
» Motion by Scott. Do I have a second?
I'll second it.

726
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:46,559
Any other discussion?
>> Call the question. All those in favor

727
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:49,599
signify by saying I. I.
>> I. Oppose. Abstensions.

728
00:52:49,119 --> 00:52:57,119
» I.
>> Motion carries. Three in favor.

729
00:52:53,359 --> 00:53:00,800
None against one abstension.
Unfinished business. 8th Street Storm

730
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:04,720
Water.
>> So, at the last city council meeting on

731
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:08,800
August 19th, the council had questions
regarding the necessity of extending the

732
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:12,480
storm sewer past the end of 8th Street
to the river near the school. A question

733
00:53:11,119 --> 00:53:16,400
was raised whether the line could be
installed up the end of 8th Street and

734
00:53:14,079 --> 00:53:21,040
then connect to the existing 24 in and
then upsize in the future if necessary.

735
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:24,319
So, Keith App Engineer is here. uh he'll
be able to answer those questions and

736
00:53:22,559 --> 00:53:30,246
any other questions you have regarding
this specific part of the project.

737
00:53:28,226 --> 00:53:30,246
[snorts]

738
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:37,680
» Thank you Vicki. Uh just
uh piece of information first of all

739
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:42,720
just uh we were talking about the
30-inch terms of age and whatnot. We've

740
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:47,440
been looking into that. Just so you all
know, the best information we have at

741
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:52,880
the moment, and this is a, you know,
reference that was in a different letter

742
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:57,760
uh about a different project that this
was that 30-inch was probably installed.

743
00:53:54,880 --> 00:54:03,359
It was installed with the WPA authority
back in so it' be the late mid to late

744
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:07,359
30s. So that pipe is actually a little
older than we thought. It's probably

745
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:11,280
closer to 90 maybe a little over 90
years old since that was put in. And

746
00:54:09,119 --> 00:54:16,480
there is reference that was done for the
highway department which believe that is

747
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:20,400
mindot is what it was called at the time
back in those days. So just a little

748
00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:25,280
piece of information regarding that as
it relates to the existing uh storm sur

749
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:31,599
goes across the school property that's a
24 in it is a HDP type pipe that go

750
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:39,440
that's in there. That pipe unfortunately
is about 11 feet higher at where we sort

751
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:44,640
of connect to it than uh than what is
needed in order to get that drainage

752
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:50,800
from that junction there on just east of
Ash on 8th Street. It's 11 ft higher

753
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:55,680
than that area. Happens to be about the
same elevation as the low point and

754
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:59,680
Wigggon just for your sort of relative
reference as to kind of what that

755
00:54:57,599 --> 00:55:04,720
elevation is. You know what that means
to us is, [sighs] you know, could we

756
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:10,720
utilize it, you know, temporarily go
through there, put the whole pipe in the

757
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:16,160
ground and have 11 foot jump? Maybe. The
problem is that water would be obviously

758
00:55:12,720 --> 00:55:21,680
sitting in there all the time. Um, that
would cause potential freezing at that

759
00:55:19,119 --> 00:55:26,960
especially at that far east end. So,
that may not be a good situation for

760
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:30,960
that to be done that way. Uh, the other
option is either do essentially do

761
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:36,240
nothing. You know, another option be
either don't do a street and don't do

762
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:40,079
that any of that work and then it allows
it to be done at some point in time in

763
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:44,800
the [snorts] future. So, that's another
option that could be done. Um, I did

764
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:49,440
reach out to Mandot to see just where
they are at with their storm water

765
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:53,520
analysis so far. I haven't heard back
from them yet as it relates to, you

766
00:55:51,599 --> 00:55:58,000
know, what are their specific needs
coming out of there? Do they match what

767
00:55:55,359 --> 00:56:01,599
we believe they should be? and just see
if they're we're all on the same page

768
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:05,920
with that, but they're I know that
they're quite a ways behind us in terms

769
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:10,640
of uh you know, their analysis, [snorts]
their their detailed design. So, it may

770
00:56:08,559 --> 00:56:15,440
be a while before they actually have
that kind of information, but I did

771
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:19,760
reach out and ask them for that. So,
that's kind of where we're at with that.

772
00:56:16,799 --> 00:56:24,720
So, the the elevations just simply do
not work um to in order to connect to

773
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:28,400
that existing. So, uh, with that, I'll
entertain any questions you might have

774
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:33,280
on that, and I I'll give you a couple
quick updates on authors and and the

775
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:38,480
2025 project.
>> Did we drop up the main line going up 8

776
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:44,640
Street that much? That is a
>> it's just the it's the grade from all

777
00:56:41,359 --> 00:56:50,640
the way from the low point on 71 all the
way to the east. So, we we set that

778
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:56,319
elevation so that we it's actually not
all that deep at at Highway 71 enough so

779
00:56:54,000 --> 00:57:01,040
that we actually have arch pipe in in
that area going right out to to Highway

780
00:56:58,799 --> 00:57:04,400
71. So, that's not very deep in through
there in order to pick up that storm

781
00:57:02,720 --> 00:57:08,160
water. You know, we they'll have
connections coming down 71 from each

782
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:13,920
direction to connect to that. And then
it's pretty much a minimum grade all the

783
00:57:10,319 --> 00:57:18,000
way from there to the east.
>> Okay. So, it's the flow

784
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:22,079
It isn't.
You said it comes up 11 feet.

785
00:57:20,319 --> 00:57:27,440
» Yeah, that's comes up 11 feet. So,
they've got a much uh steeper pipe as it

786
00:57:25,119 --> 00:57:32,640
relates to from kind of at the end of
the I'll call a culde-sac, but at the

787
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:37,440
end of a street there down to the flood
plane is a much steeper pipe and it's a

788
00:57:35,119 --> 00:57:42,000
smaller pipe.
>> Okay.

789
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:46,799
» So, unfortunately, it's not really a
viable option for us.

790
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:51,280
» Yeah. I I'm just going back from when I
used to do [snorts]

791
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:56,480
contract tiling
and you were water finds the easiest

792
00:57:54,400 --> 00:58:04,000
flow and
you you can set a tile line one/10enth

793
00:58:00,319 --> 00:58:09,359
on grade for 100 ft but it's in a
30-inch pipe it's going to flow that

794
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:13,319
one/10enth doesn't mean nothing but
that's kind of what I'm

795
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:19,359
struggling with because how did it work
before?

796
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:22,000
» Well, it
>> but now we've done this and now it can't

797
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:26,640
work.
>> It it worked. It doesn't work in the

798
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:31,760
sense that we don't the water actually
doesn't get into the system. The system

799
00:58:28,799 --> 00:58:35,119
once it gets fills up. There's no place
for the water to go. So, you end up with

800
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:38,880
kind of ponding all over the place. We
have ponding that happens in Browns

801
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:42,799
Park. Remember I mentioned how it's
above the hydraulic grade lines above

802
00:58:40,559 --> 00:58:46,880
the top. We know that that area floods
during larger events. It comes right out

803
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:51,440
of the manhole through there. And
what'll happen is we know that it

804
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:56,240
happens on 71. It's not as much anymore,
but it still happens there. Uh and and

805
00:58:54,240 --> 00:59:01,280
then along the way that water once it
gets filled up, little bits as to say at

806
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:06,720
Pine Street and Bird Street and Ash
Street, they just the water just has to

807
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:10,720
stop essentially let that slug kind of
go through and then [snorts] it drains

808
00:59:08,319 --> 00:59:15,599
down. So you don't
see it a ton. It just doesn't really

809
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:19,200
function. It doesn't flow like it's
supposed to. It doesn't capture the

810
00:59:17,119 --> 00:59:23,119
water from the drainage area like it's
supposed to. Um what you know what

811
00:59:21,359 --> 00:59:26,799
things go through kind of like a wave.
As it comes through the rain event, it

812
00:59:25,119 --> 00:59:32,720
kind of comes through there and during
that peak of that wave, everything sort

813
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:37,599
of stops until it goes by and then the
other drainage areas coming into it are

814
00:59:35,359 --> 00:59:41,440
allowed to get into the pipe. And that's
it's a little hard to see. You don't see

815
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:47,040
that all the time, but we see it at we
see it at Brownsport. We see it at 71

816
00:59:44,319 --> 00:59:51,200
for sure. We know those two areas flood.
Um, you know, Ben might be able to speak

817
00:59:48,799 --> 00:59:54,799
if he's aware specifically of seeing
some flooding areas on some of the

818
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:59,520
streets through there. I'm not here all
the time, so I don't see that. I am not

819
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:03,200
aware that that's occurred, but it it's
possible that that Ben sees those

820
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:07,280
things. So certainly you could ask him
that question, but um but that's kind of

821
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:11,920
what I would anticipate and that's what
the model shows. The modeling shows that

822
01:00:09,839 --> 01:00:17,920
flooding at Browns Park and indeed that
doesn't happen during larger events. So

823
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:22,559
you know this thing being built back in
the 1930s,

824
01:00:20,079 --> 01:00:28,319
as I stated last time, it was never made
for all of those connections that have

825
01:00:25,599 --> 01:00:31,760
happened since. You know, at pine
there's water that comes in. At birch

826
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:37,920
there's water comes in. Ash's water
comes in further on e on a eighth street

827
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:42,160
a little bit east of Ash down at sixth
street down at fifth street as it as

828
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:46,400
that 30 inch goes up none of those
connections were most likely ever

829
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:51,599
planned for with that pipe can I say
that definitively no because it wasn't

830
01:00:48,559 --> 01:00:57,440
around back in 1930 but because the pipe
doesn't change in grade doesn't change

831
01:00:53,920 --> 01:01:03,599
in size that tells me that most likely
it was never planned for more water to

832
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:09,440
get into that pipe from where it starts
at 71 to to the end.

833
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:13,280
» Okay.
>> Sorry.

834
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:16,280
24 in was never part of that.
>> No.

835
01:01:17,119 --> 01:01:20,119
247.

836
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:27,680
» It's totally
>> separate.

837
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:31,839
Yeah.
>> Correct. They're not They're separated

838
01:01:29,359 --> 01:01:36,799
all from the block between East Street
and Ash. It's about halfway in between.

839
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:42,240
That's where the 30 inch goes and heads
to the north and east. And there is no

840
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:45,200
pipe from there down to the end of a
street. There's there's nothing. There's

841
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:50,640
actually a little pipe that goes from
East Street back to that that that

842
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:52,960
junction spot essentially on A Street.
Yeah.

843
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:56,720
» But that's all that's there right now.
The stuff that was put in at the end of

844
01:01:54,880 --> 01:02:01,440
a street, that was all done with the
school project back in I don't remember

845
01:01:59,599 --> 01:02:07,280
the year exactly that was put in, but it
was largely done for the school.

846
01:02:05,359 --> 01:02:11,599
» Okay.
>> That's why it's plastic. We don't

847
01:02:09,359 --> 01:02:16,400
normally put that kind of stuff in. It
was before my time. So that was back in

848
01:02:14,079 --> 01:02:21,520
I don't know, probably back in the you
know in the '9s someplace when that was

849
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:25,839
put in maybe. So,
>> so basically this is just an update.

850
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:28,319
You're not looking for any direction
>> or

851
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:32,640
» No, it's an update. You know, at this
stage, I'm not looking for specific. I

852
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:38,000
mean, we're still that currently is in
the plans are being developed. If you

853
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:42,400
wish that to be put on pause, that
portion of it, I can certainly do that.

854
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:46,400
If you want to say, let's continue with
the design. We may not bid it, but if

855
01:02:44,559 --> 01:02:49,760
you want to continue with design, you
know, you can give me direction to do

856
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:54,000
that. If you give me if you wish me to
pause specifically, you know, that would

857
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:58,000
be something I'd like direction on
before, you know, and that would be like

858
01:02:55,680 --> 01:03:05,119
a street in general. If we want to put a
street from Ash to the east on pause for

859
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:09,040
us to talk about a little bit more, um,
that would be obviously your

860
01:03:06,559 --> 01:03:12,079
prerogative.
>> Okay.

861
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:14,480
Comments?
>> My thoughts? We keep it in there and

862
01:03:13,359 --> 01:03:17,200
keep planning for. or we can always pull
it out later, but you know, we may as

863
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:21,520
well have the plan and be prepared for
it if if we get to that point.

864
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:25,039
» Our hands are getting tied here with it.
>> Yeah. With this information. Yeah. And

865
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:26,880
then we can always pull it later if we
need to.

866
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:28,880
» I think we just proceed there.
>> Agree. So,

867
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:33,920
» okay.
>> Okay. Just a slight update on the

868
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:37,440
overall project on phase one is I'm
looking at the pond, the two main

869
01:03:35,599 --> 01:03:40,079
ponding areas. One at Second Street
South, one at Second Street North. I

870
01:03:39,119 --> 01:03:44,480
mentioned before we might be able to
make them smaller. I'll be working with

871
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:48,880
the wershed. I think the one on Second
Street South, we might be able to

872
01:03:46,559 --> 01:03:54,000
actually totally eliminate that one and
actually replace it with just a ditch

873
01:03:51,839 --> 01:03:58,400
system that kind of goes along the north
edge of that open space where Ben puts

874
01:03:56,559 --> 01:04:02,000
the where the city puts the uh
>> puts the snow piles in there. It would

875
01:04:00,079 --> 01:04:04,960
save us money from that excavation. We
do have to do some excavation for the

876
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:08,799
ditch, but it would be less than the
actual pond, plus we'd have less pipe as

877
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:14,160
well. So, we're looking at doing that.
And also with the watershed requirements

878
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:18,000
on the storm water uh quality as I
mentioned before for that one on Second

879
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:21,920
Street North, we likely are going to be
able to make that a little bit smaller

880
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:26,160
through there. So I'm working on some of
those details, but I just want to give

881
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:29,839
you an update on on that. Um the other
two things just author's editions

882
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:34,480
update. So all of these Vicki already
stole my thunder. The the uh most of the

883
01:04:32,559 --> 01:04:37,599
gravel and the curb and gutter is all in
at this point in time. So you can

884
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:41,200
actually drive through there. I met
Scott driving through there this

885
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:45,359
afternoon. So, uh, it looks pretty nice
up there. Basically, you know, so

886
01:04:43,359 --> 01:04:50,559
they're on track of what they had said.
Uh, they've got the prep for the for the

887
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:54,400
sidewalk done on Hendricks. So, that is
ready for sidewalk and they'll be

888
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:58,480
putting in the gravel, the rest of the
gravel and getting ready for paving uh,

889
01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:03,359
as I mentioned before in the next two
weeks. So, they're still on schedule for

890
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:08,000
what they told us before on that one. Um
on 2025 project all of the surface

891
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:13,200
repairs
uh for the walk areas and driveways have

892
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:17,119
been completed. They have not there's a
little bit about 200 feet of curb that

893
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:22,400
they have not done at this point in
time. They ran out of the the the T2 mix

894
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:25,440
that they need for that. So they got
ordered some more. So they're waiting

895
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:29,280
for that. And then there's a little bit
of a a driveway and a little catwalk

896
01:05:27,599 --> 01:05:33,039
that need to go in yet. So that's what's
left on there. as well as we talked

897
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:37,280
about the seeding. We've been talking
and pushing the contractor that hey this

898
01:05:35,039 --> 01:05:42,240
needs to get done. Uh drought keeps
being the main uh resistance which I

899
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:46,960
understand we've told them that the city
you can uh water that I mean they can

900
01:05:44,559 --> 01:05:52,160
get water the residents would be able to
water those portions of their yards. Um

901
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:56,559
and that's what the contractor has been
told but so far that hasn't been

902
01:05:54,640 --> 01:06:00,720
scheduled as of yet. So but we're
pushing on it.

903
01:05:59,039 --> 01:06:03,280
» Okay. Okay, that's all I got.
>> Any questions?

904
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:08,640
» Okay, thank you.
>> Thank you.

905
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:13,599
» 8B, Joint Meeting with SUK Center Public
Utilities, September 16th, 5:00 p.m.

906
01:06:12,079 --> 01:06:18,160
» I guess that's it. The joint meeting is
oc September 16th. [laughter]

907
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:20,400
» Half hour is going to be enough.
>> What's that?

908
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:22,640
» Half hour is going to be good enough.
>> At five.

909
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:28,160
» It's going to have to be
>> because we have budget meeting at 5:30.

910
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:32,160
» Oh, this is on the 16th. It's printed
wrong. It's the 16th in the packet.

911
01:06:30,559 --> 01:06:35,760
» The 16th at 5 with the PUC.
>> It's an hour and a half before.

912
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:39,119
» Sorry. And then the budget is the 9th.
>> The budget is on the 9th.

913
01:06:37,039 --> 01:06:41,599
» Okay. All right.
Now I'm clear as much.

914
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:45,839
» It was my bad.
>> So we got the next couple Wednesdays

915
01:06:43,599 --> 01:06:47,920
with meetings.
So

916
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:50,720
» So that's the 16th,
>> correct?

917
01:06:50,319 --> 01:06:54,559
» Okay,
>> that makes sense.

918
01:06:52,160 --> 01:07:03,319
» All right, we have no new business. That
moves us to our consent agenda. We have

919
01:06:58,559 --> 01:07:03,319
unpaid claims of 1,12,25353.

920
01:07:07,119 --> 01:07:18,000
We have uh attachment
resolution number 2026-64

921
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:23,119
accepting contributions of $158 from the
men's card playing club group to be

922
01:07:20,799 --> 01:07:28,640
allocated to the senior center. We have
Michael and Nancy No. $100 to be

923
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:33,359
allocated to the fire department. Also,
Michael and Nancy know $100 to be

924
01:07:30,799 --> 01:07:37,280
allocated to ambulance department.
Michael and Nancy [clears throat] know

925
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:44,960
to be $100 to be allocated to the police
department. Minnesota National Bank

926
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:53,440
is donating $9367
to the police department, $9366

927
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:58,400
to the ambulance department, and $9367
to the fire department. Sock Center

928
01:07:56,000 --> 01:08:04,319
Lions Club, the musical instruments in
the park, $2,000

929
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:08,160
to be allocated to the park department.
and then Stock Center Public Utilities,

930
01:08:06,559 --> 01:08:14,160
$1,000
for night to unite. On behalf of the

931
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:19,120
council and the city, I want to thank
those groups for their donations. We

932
01:08:16,799 --> 01:08:25,679
have gambling application to conduct
excluded bingo requests from St. Paul's

933
01:08:22,319 --> 01:08:31,679
Catholic Church for bingo on November
8th, 2026 at the Holy Family School. And

934
01:08:29,679 --> 01:08:36,719
we have gambling applications for exempt
permit requests from the Sock Center

935
01:08:33,359 --> 01:08:42,719
Lions Club. A raffle on Friday or on
February 24th, 2027 at the Sock Center

936
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:48,319
American Legion.
So, is there any questions about the

937
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:51,839
consent calendar as presented?
Do I have a motion to approve the

938
01:08:50,480 --> 01:08:54,719
consent calendar?
>> Motion to approve.

939
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:58,080
» Motion by Joe. Do I have a second?
>> Second.

940
01:08:55,199 --> 01:09:01,120
» Second by Brad.
>> Call the question. All those in favor

941
01:08:59,679 --> 01:09:07,359
signify by saying I.
>> I oppose. Motion carries. Four in favor,

942
01:09:05,199 --> 01:09:12,560
none against.formational
items. Once again, the budget meeting on

943
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:15,600
September 9th at 5:30.
>> And this is the one where you meet the

944
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:19,960
department has will come in and talk
about uh their proposals.

945
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:27,199
» Okay. Do I have a motion to adjurnn?
>> So moved.

946
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:31,359
» Motion by Joe. Do I have a second?
>> Second. Second by Scott. Call the

947
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:32,880
question. All those in favor signify by
saying I. I.

948
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:40,313
» I.
>> Opposed. Motion carries. Four in favor,

949
01:09:35,679 --> 01:09:40,313
none against. Meeting adjourned. [music]