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all right so we are on YouTube live but
we are

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recording okay well welcome everybody
Min are delay we're all good we're not

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perfect but okay so we're going to
charge ahead uh I'd like to call the

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meeting to order and welcome everybody
as is our custom uh and for Carol's

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benefit who is at home uh well not at
home is in

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Oakville uh she has uh has called in
with us here can we go around the table

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and Diana can we start with you
Diana ter tuck Lisa vellan Sandra

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hollingworth Don McConnell Dian

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moral and

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S and Carol can you hear us

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okay I can hear you but it sounds a
little bit

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tiny okay I think it's the sides of the
room

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okay well ch
we're just I not

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cons I I'm not considered Carol Magnum
Committee Member anymore I'm considered

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Carol magnan and
Osmond committee

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members Well we'd like to welcome Austin

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to the
meeting that's great we're looking

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forward to meeting you Osman in person
Carol if you do need somebody to repeat

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something uh just speak up we are in a
very large room

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today um okay and
uh given that uh has everyone had a

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chance to look at the minutes from our
last

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meeting if so can we have a mover and a
seconder to approve

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those Derek moved by Derek seconded by
Diana all in

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favor thank you uh and as is our uh as
is our requirement we do have to ask if

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anyone has a declaration of a conflict
of interest you only have a a conflict

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of interest if you have a pecuniary
interest or benefit to be gained by some

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decision the committee will make dur
today you are a member of your immediate

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family and I suspect we have none so
we're going to move right ahead onto new

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business um than can I turn this part of
the meeting over to you sure um there's

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a lot of things going on at the
accessibility office and um this was one

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that happened through the course of the
summer um enabling accessibility fund I

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probably should have reported on that at
the last meeting but it slipped my

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mind um and it's for the manso park
updates uh originally the application

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was B I think it's $120,000
was the max funding for that and um we

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had hoped we would have uh enough means
to be able to build an addition for the

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Manzo Park so that we could have a fully
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washroom uh adult change table but um it
just wasn't possible given the time

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frame there needs to be some engineering
work done so we went to Plan B given the

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time frames and plan B was uh to do some
accessibility upgrades with what's

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already there so the Manzo Park and and
splash pad uh and pool area what was

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applied for is um a ramp into the pool
because currently it isn't accessible to

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anyone with Mobility disability so it
would be by means of a ramp um uh

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widening the pool deck around the pool
because um it is fairly narrow two

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people can pass each other but there
might not be enough space for someone in

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a Mobility device and or a person
walking so we needed a wider pool deck

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um it would also
include uh updated paved Pathways

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there's quite a few paved Pathways in
that Park that are in very good shape

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but there are a couple that are in poor
shape they've got some some bumps and

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some poles through them as well there's
um there is a a tennis court on site and

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a very old rundown botchy Court um The
Botch Court will be updated and will be

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fully accessible so should anyone want
to play bot that is that has a Mobility

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device they can also
participate uh there will be Paths of

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travel to the bot Port as well as to the
tennis

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courts um there will be a new paved
Pathway to the playground and there will

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be some uh a very small but accessible
playground with full rubber surfacing uh

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underneath that Park as well it's a kind
of a small perk I think there's swings

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and uh a small kind of universal kind of
climbing thing um so there will be some

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updated Park equipment plus some some
good Paths of

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travel um so that is the application
that was done this summer between

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Virginia and myself and we don't know
the results of that yet but hopefully

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that will be coming out soon and we can
work on that next

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spring so that is the information on
that one just out of curiosity the

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tennis court that's there are they
reviewing the tennis court no no Tenn it

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will still be a tennis court and I think
I didn't go to really see up close the

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tennis court but it looked like it was
still in in quite usable shape good

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stuff thank you and we're getting all
that for

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$120,000 well
$120,000 and there I I forget what the

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what the percentag is that will will
need to come from the city for that uh I

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don't know if it was a 25%
75% or I don't remember and you can do

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that in kind of
Labor okay so okay it depends but

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usually
it's 75 25 or 8020 it just depends right

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right and I was thinking
7525 was the

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yeah okay thank
you did you want to move on to the

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attached letter for green and inclusive
community building Grant application for

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the Dr Road Center yes so that one uh is
due for um the application is due on

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October 16th and it's uh green and
inclusive it's a federal application so

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the green is a must part of the
application the inclusive is a uh you

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get bonus points if it's all also
accessible yeah so um Emily Cormier who

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is the city's sustainability coordinator
has some rather large plans for some

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green
infrastructure uh that will be included

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on that Grant and from the accessibility
point of view uh we will be applying for

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funding for the um for the accessible
bleachers for the John roads Arena the

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one that does not have any accessible uh
seating

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areas uh that will be a kind of a
modular type elevated

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platform uh that will be accessible
it'll be at the end of the

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Arena um and it will be it will be a
large open area and then we'll we'll

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bring in some some portable seats kind
of like what we have here that we're

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using today uh for any companion seating
so there'll be lots of room for problem

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probably up to about six people or maybe
more with Mobility devices for the

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viewing area so that's the inclusive
people of the Grant and um and at our

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last um at our last meeting we approved
the uh the portion to come out of the

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barrier removal funds can I Mr chair
to today I just want to let people

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know that I have been over to that site
and I have been on that ramp that they

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currently have that ramp is so Ricky so
not nice for

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wheelchairs um that it needs to be done
so hopefully we can get it past and it

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will be done properly because all we see
is uh the wood can shut at any day so

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that
that and it's only two lamps so one

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person at time can only see part of the
G and the class has to be lowered and so

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if we raise if we put the creatures in
it'll be on a raised uh

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floor and um we won't have to lure of
the Arena glass

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yeah yeah the um the the people who
attend the um the Thunderbirds games

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that have Mobility devices that want to
watch the games have had a really poor

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time watching games and I think as a
result there aren't many people with

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Mobility devices that attend to watch
Thunderbird games anymore because it's

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just it's such a poor healing
experience so a long long overdue um and

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so the committee provided a letter of
support thank you chair for the letter

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um and that was in the

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attachments moving right along um D I
know that you Derek and Carol went out

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with a number of City staff to look at
some of more challenging intersections I

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drove past you when you were with Peter
Derek I was like there's Derek when

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you're at the Care community at uh GRE
Northern Northern Avenue I was turning

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to go pick up Aiden at the college I'm
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there but it made an impact because you
were noticed I felt like by being a

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group like that at that
intersection yes and you got recognition

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yes good yes there were lots of uh lots
of different people that recognized that

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there was something going on because
there was people with with um clipboards

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and pens and and yeah we you wore the
red y yeah wee a red accessible t-shirts

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yeah um and the goal of that day I I'll
introduce what happened that day and

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then Derek and Derek and Carol on the on
the phone uh can give us an overview

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from from their perspective how things
went but the goal for the day was for

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planning and engineering staff and
planning and Engineering attended with

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us and it was fabulous um for them to
understand what it's like to have

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various different kinds of disabilities
and using intersections and what are the

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gaps what are the challenges and how can
we do it better moving forward so it was

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an education opportunity for staff um
and I think it went very well it was

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very well received by staff um and the
problem

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the very best comment that we could have
received Carol you love this one I'm

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sure you you've heard me say it is that
it was an eye opening

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experience
so yeah isn't that great

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Carol it is it is
definitely all right so Derek if you

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want to put in your perspective and then
Carol if you wouldn't mind uh since

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you're able to join us also you can you
can give us from your point of view how

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things went
perfect furthermore I think it brings

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City staff and us closer we're not just
volunteer and staff we a bunch of people

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that care about the city yeah um we we
all care about the city this room so we

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all took time to look at these
problems that how how how fast does it

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take a person or how slow how fast is I
like the changes so it might not impact

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us right now but in
future with all the notes that we took

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and we do take a lot of
notes um the city's going to be able to

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have a better plan for the next uh
infrastructure you will say okay we got

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to do it this way so it's not
one side working

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with another side were joined it was a
community

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effort uh here in the suit and I don't
know if other

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municipalities did what we do what we
did by taking our s stock and saying

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okay this is where we have
problems for instance if I can just give

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you um
a place by um the

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uh the uh place there where we were at
the school at that

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Crossing where was steep that was old
Garden River Road and second line no it

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was uh the by the school by the by
oh St Mary's s yeah yes St Mary's and it

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was the uh
ReStore Habitat for Humanity oh Superior

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Heights yes that was
steep to go down

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that
that thing the curve cut the curve

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cut so the city about to see okay okay
how hard is it for wheelchair to line up

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and then see that the light
changes before we even get

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rolling yeah excellent um was that your
biggest teaching moment Derek I think so

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because they they need everybody needs
to know it takes a person in a

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wheelchair or with a walker can
crutches and we need a head start to get

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it to get going and to be
safe yeah so I think many of the times

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at the intersections something that
happened is um both Carol the way that

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that she navigates and she tell you a
little bit more about it Derek and

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myself before we've even left the curb
it has changed to walk to the flashing

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hand yeah um and I as much as you can
explain that to someone it's entirely

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different to watch someone experience
that so that was a that was a huge um a

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huge huge teaching moment for me that I
was I was very happy to be able to share

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that yeah anything else
d I think fun was had by

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all we got to know our community leaders
a little bit better that the

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they quite often people see just a
wheelchair and we're not just

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wheelchairs for people and we're we're a
group that are we a group of individuals

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that uh that are trying to make the city
OB

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accessible um to the city so it's not
going to be in my time but it's going to

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be years down Ro because the that we
took that they they'll take back and

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they'll put in their Master plans and so
things will be a little while yet but

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we're getting there and we're with all
all of us working together we can all

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have a better since St Marie so I would
like to thank Diane for allowing me to

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be a part of it um Carol I would like to
thank you as well because we open some

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eyes and we open even as we as you said
like you were driving down some of the

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streets that we we uh went to and it was
nice to see a group of us instead of

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just one going with all the staff and
trying to show them so thank you

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everyone very well said there thank you
thanks Carol

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okay um I think it was a a great
learning and a great teaching

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experience for
myself and for the Departments that

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really did not understand it until they
experienced it and for many years we've

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been trying to explain to people what it
is like with Street Crossing when you

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have Vision lck Derek explained exactly
how it is when you have a

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Mobility difficulties crossing the
street I explained it how it is how

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difficult it is with vision
loss yes their eyes were opened and

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that's all we kept on hearing they
couldn't believe how difficult it was

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they had absolutely no idea by the time
we were done they finally

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understood and that is the importance of
the

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aaac here in Sous St Marie that everyone
on the AAC totally

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100% understands what it is like to have
a disability you live it you experience

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it you stick together and you help each
other and you support each other to help

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life be more easier for people with a
disability to be able to access whatever

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it is you need in order to live the best
life that you can and I am thankful that

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we have the AAC and support of the
people on our AAC here in s St Marie and

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hopefully now at the city planners the
city

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Engineers experiences uh I'm hoping that
now they will finally understand what it

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is like and maybe we'll start seeing
some changes to do the

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better I'm done that that's
my my little feel for you guys I'm

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really happy we did
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thanks ask who from City St wasend you
recall yes 100% um from planning it was

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Peter and uh Jonathan kirkl um he's our
active

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Transportation guy um from engineering
engineering there was Carl Magie and

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Dan as well Susan Hamilton Beach was
there and that was amazing to have her

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there as well because
she's looking from the top down with

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everybody else and now for her to have
um an eye

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towards what a a good Crossing can look
like or better yet what a poor crossing

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looks like yeah um you know she can help
to direct staff to to try to figure out

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things differently yeah I just add
something um I think it'll be important

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next time as well and I brought this up
is um when we have folks with um

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invisible barriers so I know for um a
lot of our folks um on the officing

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Spectrum or if there's another
intellectual disability Down syndrome as

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soon as that hand goes up they go back
to the corner and I know so it would be

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interesting to maybe from Thrive to get
like a um either through Amanda with use

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on the move or something like that to
get some perspective on difficulties of

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Crossing um I've also had that with some
International students because I I live

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on Queen so a lot of them are going to
the university or going to college and

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taking the bus and as soon as they see
that hand go they'll even go back too

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thinking that they have to go back and
i' I've brought that up before with um

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with Andy stomski that we don't have
enough time um so I think there's that

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other piece and I think um Carol just
to um kind of reiterate holding um the

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city accountable via the AAC we approved
a strategic plan at the last council

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meeting and one of the pillars is
removing barriers and being more

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accessible so um maybe at the next
agenda um our next meeting put it on the

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agenda that piece
and either have Tom come to speak about

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it or um even Brett laming as to what
they consider that to be in terms of

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planning and I think that um having our
perspective on AAC would be really

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important and thanks
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thanks sorry s go ahead um to add on to
Lisa's point I know another communities

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which I think we've all seen is they
have a countown so instead of a hand um

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it may be 20 seconds 19 what not whatnot
and I'm sure there's guidelines um for

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the national accessibility group to say
that hypothetically maybe it should be

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45 seconds maybe it should be minute I
don't know but uh I would like to see

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staff look into um you know switching
the hand to you now have 30 seconds 29

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seconds so so the international student
or any Dall person with the hand will

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know okay I can continue on because I
still have X number seconds do you see

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what I'm saying yes it's my
understanding that would be implemented

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on Queen Street with the new as well as
I'm pretty sure I can't be 100% sure I

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think that was also going to be going in
on Great Northern Road and Northern a as

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well he implemented that back corner but
just countdown timers not changes to the

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actual structure of the of the what's
there right but they I believe they will

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be added in that area so hypothetically
could we um hypothetically pass a

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resolution to say but such and such Year
we hope that majority the city will have

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a count system or something like
that that would be or hypothetically we

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as a committee can continue on look at
more of the priority are of the city

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sure sure can I have that
repeated can I can I have you repeat

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that sure sorry um Diane was saying that
there are certain intersections that are

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taking priority where the intersection
is going to be somewhat redesigned for

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better
accessibility where the hand is going to

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be replaced with like a countdown system
to say hypothetically is 30 seconds 29

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seconds 28 seconds so forth so forth for
the amount of time you have to cross the

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intersection so I was saying
hypothetically can the accessibility

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committee work with City staff to say
that we as a committee prioritize other

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areas that need
attention that need to have

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intersections change with the countdown
system and and intersections altered to

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be more
helpful and maybe okay maybe we can do

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this over a period of five years I don't
know but I'm just throwing that idea out

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there okay and and sorry and if I can
add to that um what we're doing with the

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intersections is so important for
everyone in the community senior

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citizens anyone that have um some
difficulties that's all thank you

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okay but the problem with the new lights
are if you're want to tun to the

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speaker of it's A's wa right you're not
going to you're not going to know when

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to
go like you really have to look at you

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really have to listen for the please
wait and then you have the the alarms

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going off the um cuckoo and all that to
get

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across um what I'm hearing from other
people is that it should be where you

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can hear from somebody these
apartment is there not I don't know she

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too
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like I need the the volume needs to be
turned up

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on yes that was another challenge that
we all experienced quite well is um is

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not being able to hear the audible part
of the signal and the please weight part

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um was implemented in in two
intersections uh Great Northern

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Road uh no sorry old Garden River Road
second line and uh the Metro Northern a

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Crossing there br new technology with a
what's called a proximity sensor so you

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don't actually have to touch the button
all you have to do is wave your hand or

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move something in front of the sensor
and it will activate it um the signal

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says please wait as soon as it's
activated but most of us couldn't hear

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it even though we were sitting or
standing right beside it so that was a

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challenge and the volume as well and to
this it's still a problem yes it's still

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still hasn't been adjusted yes yeah but
that means that all four sides uh I

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haven't been able to check the other
ones because of the way it's set up

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right now I can only do one Lan maybe
two yeah yeah there's one part of the

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crossing D isn't able to use in in that
intersection but yes one of one of many

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uh different challenges and that was a
common complaint with the accessible

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pedestrian signals is that you couldn't
hear them and many other Crossings in

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Sous St Marie don't have an audible
component so it makes it especially

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challenging for um anyone with vision
loss to have a clue where the other side

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of the road is because some of our roads
aren't lined up exactly straight you

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know old Garden River Road second line
line is is one that's a diamond shape so

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you could be really messed up um trying
to cross an intersection like that

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without an audible
inment so many many many

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concerns I don't mean to throw our um
counselors like off

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but we have an by law after 11 11 now
what I heard

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from Peter is
that they've been getting told to turn

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the chps down but we need it up somebody
that F needs it turned up and it needs

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to go as loud as it goes so how do we
deal with the N bylaw people's Comfort

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level because they're sleeping and they
don't want to hear the cuckoo all night

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but
how do

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respect how do we respect um the bylaw
and the people that need

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it as far as I understand Derek the only
time the cuckoo and chirs comes on the

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audible sound comes on is when the
button is pushed or it's activated so if

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there's no one Crossing there at 11 or
12 or 2:00 in the morning which probably

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very few people
um the the signal shouldn't move going

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so I think that
alleviate okay I just no I just asked

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because like we're here we're trying to
honor

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a bylaw but it might turned out and
people might call it in and say Well it

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need be turn down I can't sleep so what
do we do as yeah I don't that shouldn't

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be and there's not like I think
especially where Care Community is going

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to be there could be like an apartment
that's a unit that's right there but as

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Diane said unless it's pressed it's not
going to make noise okay but some people

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might complain about it at 8:00 at night
so you never know right like

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it's ju just so that you guys are aware
we're we're saying as as a community it

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needs to be turned up but you might get
a call um counselor wise to say oh that

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trip goes on and on for hours which we
are allowed to use it :00 at night but

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11:00 everybody should be in there
residences usually yeah I've never

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gotten a call about an audible signal
okay

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yeah I just
want okay well no I just wanted to let

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you know that
those turned

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up if I could make a suggestion as kind
of um where proceed from here it sounds

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like you know Derek Carol and Di had a
great meeting with senior staff for

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those of the committee who aren't like
sure who everybody is Susan Hamilton

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Beach is the person who's in charge of
both engineering and public works and

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the two lieutenants I guess if that's
word I love that word you like that word

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I Know Carl will like it Dan will really
like it we're also there so the person

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who's in charge of engineering who
reports the Susan and the person who's

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in charged of Public Works who reports
the Susan we're also in attendant so you

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really have all the Deep think maybe not
deep thinkers but the people who

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certainly can make the right decisions
and who are responsible for these things

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and I'm just wondering as kind of a
followup and I I appreciate that this

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was like go out and see how what's
happening here let's kind of have this

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is a bit of learning experience for
everybody but I'm wondering if if B if

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you could just follow up with Susan and
identify like some of the concerns that

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we have and I I think it would be great
to invite Susan to a future meeting yeah

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I mean I thought the idea let's have Tom
come to a meeting and talk about our

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strategic planning great but let's have
Susan Susan come to this meeting and she

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wants to bring Dan and and and Carl fine
you know that's great but if like we're

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here yeah I think dark has put it really
well you know we're all here to work

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together we're not here to Ambush
anybody these are our concerns just

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let's remind them that they are
important to us we can improve things

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and can we have a discussion about the
best way to do

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this that makes sense excellent fair
enough very okay um are we ready to move

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on because before we move on to the last
two items under uh new business

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I think it'd be worth well to bring the
the committee up to speed on what we

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were talking about with the
kayak do down at at the B Marina yes did

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you just take a minute sure um so as you
know the uh the kayak dog at the Bel new

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Marina um we were successful in getting
some funds for the updates the paving

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for that area has been done it was done
just last week so there is now a paved

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Corner which will turn into two
accessible parking spots with signage

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and access aisle and the paved path to
the kayak dock is now there and it looks

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fabulous absolutely fabulous the next
part will be uh railings on the ramping

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that goes to the
dock uh as well as remediating a 3-in

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step that exists from the from the rant
down to the dog so that will be

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addressed um the grant is supposed to be
finished at the end of November November

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25th um and I spoke with the gentleman
who's likely to be doing the work and he

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says that shouldn't be a problem so keep
you posted any other

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news and that is also the access that
goes out to the Su naturalists or

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whoever built it doing area at that
point as well right so there's there's

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like there's a walkway that need needs
to

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Beed yes yes yes there is the walkway
that goes that was an existing paved

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Pathway to The Zo naturalist viewing
platform um and the part that was just

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added very dark black ash um goes from
because there's a slope down to the to

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the naturalist viewing area and then pop
kind of does a switch back to the dog so

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that it's a gentle nice gentle uh grade
there's no no steep pitches or

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anything yeah keep you

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posted yeah okay sorry we just thought
we that would be interesting for people

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to know uh snow
removal yeah um every year Public Works

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takes um suggestions or requests for for
snow removal areas for instance a lot of

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Street I shouldn't say a lot of streets
some residential areas have sidewalks on

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both sides but only one sidewalk is
cloud um they try to be efficient with

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their snow removal um priorities so if
anyone has any uh areas due to

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accessibility disability that requires
it become a priority to please let me

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know but just keep in mind has to be
something to do with

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accessibility so let me know as soon
as go ahead Carol I do have a I do have

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a place
Diane okay it's popular

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Avenue
YCA popular

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Avenue okay
YMCA oh good one Carol I've gotten calls

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about the um laundry mat to in Montery
Gardens That

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Sidewalk what is that so there's um a
sort of like a old strip wall and

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there's a laundry M there that sidewalk
being

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done because people are coming down from
Housing Court okay and going down and

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accessing um I'll get the street for you
okay I'm totally it's not Brian it's um

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right behind the old war houses well
it's all it's all in the it's all the

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war time it's all La Gardens I think
it's current Drive I think that's

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current Drive yeah yeah it's my old
neighborhood I should know I used to

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ride my bike to Charlie
confection um yeah righte yeah you're

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not that old
yeah but there so people are going from

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Housing Court which is behind the Y like
in that popular area and then smil and

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then going down but I'll give you the
name of the street okay perfect

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Civ that's a really good yeah go ahead
um actually ironically I was talking to

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Susan Hamilton Beach and I was she say
October 3 ver is the absolute deadline

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as we probably know right and that's why
I I kind of need it now or ASAP yeah yes

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um can you put Robin Street

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on okay is there anything specific about
Robin Street um there's well basically

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there's five senior citizens that live
on that street I I don't know if that

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qualifies but I just want okay five
seniors and so is it the North Side the

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South Side East West is it is it's like
a horseshoe okay and so when you look at

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the map of how it works it's very
obvious it's like

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AE school elementary school yeah what
what can you do about getting it done

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properly like Pine Street work through
basic is on the hill that whole whole

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area the guy just bounces over up down
these great big hunks in front of the

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bus where the bus stop is um a lot of
those apartments have students and

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they're hopping
over whatever

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icebergs and um but there's a lot of
seniors there too trying to hike their

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groceries over these pumps and bums and
it's all because the the the person

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that's doing it just goes like about out
of hell and doesn't care and leaves this

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deep and then this up here he's got it
here it's a mess and then it freezes

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then it's solid
IED it is

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popular Ginger and wash and
dryers maybe to dian's point when if

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Susan does come to one of our future
meetings that could be addressed with

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her as well

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yeah like if the the person I they're in
a hurry

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obviously and they could put the pl down
a little

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bit this is a sidewalk PL
yeah and then to cross the street to

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catch the bus you sometimes this

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high no
ice ice

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yes it is a challenge for um the
sidewalk snow cloud folks a lot will

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00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:14,920
depend upon the the condition of the
sidewalk underneath Pine Street I don't

420
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:18,680
really know how rough it is but if if
you know there's sidewalks that add

421
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:25,640
uneven and when they go over an uneven
sidewalk can quite a quite a a pile of

422
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:30,359
snow um but we
can last year they did great

423
00:42:30,559 --> 00:42:36,200
but yes I thought it was a bonus here it

424
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:45,760
was um I do have one more place I want
to

425
00:42:42,599 --> 00:42:49,280
mention only because there's been some
people that have mentioned this to me

426
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:56,440
and they're really not sure who it is
that's in charge of this okay so the

427
00:42:52,480 --> 00:43:02,800
road that is where the bus stop is where
Walmart is is the road that goes to

428
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:07,359
penos okay there's a bus stop and the
bus drivers have a hard time going

429
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:10,440
around that corner because the road is
not

430
00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:16,240
plowed and people have a hard time
getting to the bus stop because the

431
00:43:12,119 --> 00:43:21,280
sidewalks not ploud now um I Heard a
couple of different stories um because

432
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:25,079
some of the drivers have told me that
it's not city property that it's

433
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:30,119
Walmart's
responsibility to the road and the

434
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:34,480
sidewalk there but what's the real story
on that because it's a mess in the

435
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:37,599
winter time people are having a hard
time walking and the drivers are having

436
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:43,280
a hard time driving the
bus if it's okay I'll answer that

437
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:48,280
question that that is Walmart uh and
when we uh did the lights where penos

438
00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:52,440
are now we the city actually was going
to go in and do some work on Walmart's

439
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:56,400
property kind of just to help them move
things along and we were advised by

440
00:43:54,480 --> 00:44:00,559
Walmart's lawyers that that cannot
happen that they have to they have to

441
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:04,040
hire contractors and that's one of the
reason that job was delayed because

442
00:44:02,319 --> 00:44:08,680
everybody has to be under contract with
Walmart to work on Walmart property so

443
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:13,760
the city even though we said we were
going to go inad can't and fixing things

444
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:19,480
up for them that didn't happen now they
do

445
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:27,240
um you know they are responsive public
complaints so I I think there's probably

446
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:31,720
a an opportunity to do something there
but we have to kind of wait until

447
00:44:28,839 --> 00:44:31,720
there's a problem and

448
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:44,000
then
okay it's Walmart's property the

449
00:44:39,720 --> 00:44:48,760
city and and I think if the problem one
of the biggest problems is with the

450
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:55,400
transit buses being able to to to get
around because of of snow I think

451
00:44:52,040 --> 00:45:03,400
perhaps a a a concern should come from
transit to Walmart on that uh if there's

452
00:45:00,119 --> 00:45:08,359
pedestrians they should also be that are
having trouble they should also be

453
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:16,079
complaining to Walmart on it that is an
excellent idea have trans Transit coming

454
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:16,079
yeah because we

455
00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:24,079
yeah okay because this was Transit
drivers that were telling me this and I

456
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:28,559
went into Walmart
myself and asked them

457
00:45:27,359 --> 00:45:34,880
and they told me yeah they're
responsible for

458
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:34,880
it so I mean

459
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:44,240
even it's very difficult to uh you know
if they don't do

460
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:49,359
it it's anyway it was just something
that was brought to my attention a few

461
00:45:47,359 --> 00:45:55,119
times no I think that's a really good
point girl Walmart does build business

462
00:45:51,559 --> 00:45:58,920
they can afford to you know C the
sidewalk yeah yeah

463
00:46:00,559 --> 00:46:09,280
um okay any other comments on snow
removal if you think of anything feel

464
00:46:06,359 --> 00:46:14,160
free to contact Dian because uh you know
as SRA pointed out we have a a limited

465
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:16,960
amount of time to get something into
public works on

466
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:32,880
this um
Diane chair um just note on on like

467
00:46:27,079 --> 00:46:42,960
depends what uh time day it is um if
it's um later on in the

468
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:48,440
afternoon around the Metro but on the
where the point wash used to

469
00:46:45,079 --> 00:46:52,480
be yeah in that
section sometimes the plow would it

470
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:57,640
comes by it
leaves a trail of snow so when somebody

471
00:46:56,520 --> 00:47:03,480
has to
stop try to

472
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:10,079
reach try to line up it
doesn't I I go inside

473
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:16,280
down with my chair I used go inside a
lot I don't go very often but people are

474
00:47:14,559 --> 00:47:23,319
trying to get
across to Metro

475
00:47:19,319 --> 00:47:31,520
and it's not easy if they have to step
over a paint or whatever so we

476
00:47:27,559 --> 00:47:40,040
try to put that on prity list there's a
lot of seniors disa that

477
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:40,040
go good point yeah

478
00:47:40,079 --> 00:47:47,920
okay anything
else um I have one bus

479
00:47:45,079 --> 00:47:54,079
shelter um
concern and it is the bus

480
00:47:51,400 --> 00:48:00,280
shelter where the old Safeway building
used to be on great Norther um

481
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:06,640
I think the call center was there for a
while so um the the windows yeah the

482
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:13,160
glass on that shelter I think there's
only one pain of glass left on it so the

483
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:19,160
bus shelter when you're in it there's no
protection from the rain or wind at all

484
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:22,280
now so I'm wondering if they're planning
on replacing the broken glass that would

485
00:48:21,240 --> 00:48:27,480
in
there how long has that been there Carol

486
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:35,680
what was that how long has has the has
the glass been broken in

487
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:41,280
there well the glass is missing like
there's not broken pieces there it's

488
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:48,720
missing so it's been a
while yeah it's been a while like like

489
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:55,240
months like a year oh yeah yeah oh no I
don't think it's been that long it's

490
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:55,240
been uh been a few months

491
00:48:55,480 --> 00:49:03,599
yeah been all summer
anyway we'll bring that up with Transit

492
00:49:01,359 --> 00:49:07,599
um because they you know they should be
able to replace that those glass

493
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:14,839
that yeah because the angle that the
shelters on you've got no protection at

494
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,559
all got

495
00:49:19,559 --> 00:49:22,559
it

496
00:49:23,240 --> 00:49:34,880
okay moving right along we're changing
our G meeting we are um January 8th

497
00:49:31,240 --> 00:49:41,480
January 6th is when um Everybody the the
Christmas holidays is over and the eth

498
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:47,240
is two days later so um I'm requesting
to move or delay our January meeting

499
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:54,480
until January
15 so um it'll be noted in the minutes

500
00:49:52,760 --> 00:50:02,680
of course but if everybody can maybe
Mark that on their calendar um um and

501
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:07,319
I'll also um you know when I send out
the agendas we we'll be talking about

502
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:11,960
that in December about our next meeting
in

503
00:50:08,559 --> 00:50:17,680
January but if you can take a look at
your calendars and Mark that down that'

504
00:50:13,720 --> 00:50:17,680
be great 15

505
00:50:23,359 --> 00:50:31,280
15 oh ahe okay
I do a lot of talking at these meetings

506
00:50:29,799 --> 00:50:36,760
my goodness I guess it's because I'm
relaying a lot of information no it's

507
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:42,440
your most interesting person I hardly
think that's

508
00:50:38,799 --> 00:50:47,799
true um we're doing a a public
consultation openhouse through the

509
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:55,359
accessibility legislation there is a
requirement for the city to do at least

510
00:50:51,640 --> 00:51:03,160
one openhouse public consultation so
that's going to be on October 30th from

511
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:09,480
3: to 6:00 p.m. at the accessibility
Center Transit will be there and Parks

512
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:15,559
will be there and I will be there um so
it is an opportunity for people to give

513
00:51:12,240 --> 00:51:20,799
a feedback on any accessibility issues
any barriers they've encountered in the

514
00:51:18,319 --> 00:51:27,040
community uh in particular there are
some things that the city must consult

515
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:32,000
with the public on uh so one of them is
the accessibility plan and the

516
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:39,920
effectiveness of the accessibility plan
um another one say for instance is bus

517
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:47,160
stops and shelters that uh Transit must
consult on um Parks is supposed to be

518
00:51:43,119 --> 00:51:51,319
Consulting on uh the design of uh
playgrounds and playground

519
00:51:49,119 --> 00:51:57,240
equipment um so there are some
requirements so there will be some some

520
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:57,240
specific questions

521
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:05,480
and thanks Sam
sorry so there will be some specific

522
00:52:03,839 --> 00:52:11,119
things that we're looking for feedback
on but we also accept feedback from the

523
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:18,309
community on anything accessibility and
and barrier related can

524
00:52:12,710 --> 00:52:18,309
[Music]

525
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:26,720
we where is the accessibility Center
that's where we always have our meetings

526
00:52:26,799 --> 00:52:29,640
yes

527
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:37,920
yes and I'm sure since
like pass along if you wanted some

528
00:52:35,359 --> 00:52:44,160
posters or something put up like some
displays yes they they have people who

529
00:52:41,319 --> 00:52:46,760
are very competent doing those things
that would be

530
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:53,599
great
[Music]

531
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:59,720
I because certain kid's car is finally
ready his first car picked up o pretty

532
00:52:57,559 --> 00:53:03,040
exciting I don't know I think it's more
exciting for lose Automotive

533
00:53:01,380 --> 00:53:08,559
[Music]
it's we have the date and time again

534
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:13,599
please October
30th 3 to 6: p.m.

535
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:26,019
[Music]

536
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:36,760
um so we move to Old
business yes can I say Carol that I

537
00:53:34,559 --> 00:53:41,960
really appreciated I think everyone did
really appreciated your comments at the

538
00:53:38,599 --> 00:53:46,520
last meeting it has not fallen on De
ears um and I'm going to turn this over

539
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:53,799
to Diane to kind of explain where we're
at on this yeah so okay thank you at our

540
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:58,400
last meeting uh Carol did a uh an
impromptu well it was impromptu CH it

541
00:53:56,240 --> 00:54:05,680
wasn't to her she was well prepared for
it um did a presentation on some of the

542
00:54:01,799 --> 00:54:11,280
barriers that she's encountered and how
it just seems like there's no progress

543
00:54:08,240 --> 00:54:18,079
on it on on some of them anyways um and
she had a lot of questions and any

544
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:23,680
concerns um so I've I've spoken with
Peter on this like how do we address

545
00:54:20,319 --> 00:54:28,280
this so I will be Consulting with the
city staff that are are responsible for

546
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:35,520
the items that that Carol brought
forward and I'll be bringing um uh

547
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:39,880
feedback or or responses from their
departments to the committee at the next

548
00:54:37,599 --> 00:54:45,000
meeting so Carol when you're there in
person we'll we'll have uh we'll have

549
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:51,599
feedback for you on on all of your
concerns

550
00:54:46,359 --> 00:54:51,599
okay great thank you no

551
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:59,480
problem did you want to talk about our
video remote interpreter

552
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:03,520
yes this is so exciting this has been in
the works for I don't know like five

553
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:12,079
years maybe even more I think it was
started before Co um so the video remote

554
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:18,520
interpreter for the VRI Service uh
tomorrow morning at 10:00 I'll be at the

555
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:24,960
Civic Center lobby we've got the
equipment it's been purchased and ready

556
00:55:21,079 --> 00:55:33,839
to go um and we'll be doing a test with
VRI our IT staff will be there as well

557
00:55:29,359 --> 00:55:38,200
um and then once we've done the test and
we know everything is up and running and

558
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:45,119
we've got our all of our account
information uh set to go that will go

559
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:51,319
live and be available for anyone for any
Department in uh in the Civic Center as

560
00:55:48,599 --> 00:55:58,440
the trial for someone who is De and
requires ASL interpreter it's an ASL not

561
00:55:55,680 --> 00:56:02,680
quite on demand because it's not push
the button and someone's there it might

562
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:09,520
be a couple of minutes before someone is
available um but it'll be a a new

563
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:15,640
customer service experience for citizens
to St marine and then depending upon how

564
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:21,799
that's received if and how often it's
used we'd like to get roll that out to

565
00:56:19,119 --> 00:56:26,960
various different customer service areas
within the corporation so tomorrow

566
00:56:24,119 --> 00:56:35,039
morning we'll be
yes uh Dian before you go further Could

567
00:56:30,599 --> 00:56:40,880
you um uh say what the acronyms are for
the people that don't know yes I I did

568
00:56:38,559 --> 00:56:46,319
say that Carol and I'm I'm sorry if it
didn't come out clear so it's it's okay

569
00:56:44,119 --> 00:56:54,799
yeah the service is
V that's the acronym and it stands for

570
00:56:51,200 --> 00:57:01,920
video remote
interpreter okay can hear it now okay

571
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:07,599
yes and um the passionate covered that
very nicely as well did they clear if

572
00:57:05,119 --> 00:57:15,960
you still have to book an appointment in
order to have that V service no no if

573
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:21,640
you were doing um a meeting or something
if we were doing a meeting here and we

574
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:28,839
want a a remote interpreter yes that
would be best quit it is for on demand

575
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:34,319
short interactions customer service
interactions not so much for meetings

576
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:42,119
it's a you know a five minute
conversation um can you tell me where I

577
00:57:37,119 --> 00:57:48,920
find a book on do it yourself house
renovations um or how much does it cost

578
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:54,839
to go for a swim at the pool it's meant
for those short things so it may not be

579
00:57:52,119 --> 00:57:59,960
instant because they do have a bank of
interpreters ASL

580
00:57:56,640 --> 00:58:05,640
interpreters um across I think
Canada um and it may take a little while

581
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:10,880
to find one that's that's available has
the green light and and they can

582
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:15,680
dispatch that person so very excited
about

583
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:21,520
that yeah yeah so we'll try that
tomorrow morning and then at the next

584
00:58:18,359 --> 00:58:28,680
meeting uh hopefully we we will have
launched it it will have gone live and

585
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:28,680
uh I can let you know that

586
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:40,960
works this is something that um or
actually I don't know if this is a

587
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:48,280
question for Carrie or Diane so is this
something that someone with vision loss

588
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:54,880
can feel as you are explaining it so we
know how it

589
00:58:50,839 --> 00:58:57,920
works if you were live at the Civic
Center

590
00:58:57,039 --> 00:59:06,559
with
us you would be able to feel

591
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:12,079
it but okay I I can describe what the
equipment looks like so it's an

592
00:59:10,319 --> 00:59:17,440
iPad
that that will be on a stand it'll be on

593
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:24,319
a movable stand so that it can go to
various different departments in the

594
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:30,799
corporation and it will be powered by a
USB device because there isn't very

595
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:37,559
reliable wifi in in the Civic Center so
we're actually buying a data package

596
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:43,799
with USP device USB device so that it
can go to any Department anywhere in the

597
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:51,920
Civic Center I guess ideally it could go
anywhere um and if someone who is De

598
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:55,720
uppercase D de uses uh American Sign
Language

599
00:59:53,039 --> 01:00:01,480
interpreter uh would present at customer
service

600
00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:06,440
the iPad with VRI will be sitting there
there will be a press release hopefully

601
01:00:04,119 --> 01:00:10,680
you know people who are deaf will will
know that it's available but it will be

602
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:17,240
sitting there and it'll there'll be a
sign that says VRI and they just have to

603
01:00:14,319 --> 01:00:23,920
motion that they need
VRI and then the receptionist will then

604
01:00:20,599 --> 01:00:29,720
be able to activate it to call an ASL
interpreter

605
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:35,480
and the person who is deck will be
looking at the iPad and will sign to the

606
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:43,280
iPad the question the comment the
concern uh that they're there for and

607
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:50,760
then the ASL interpreter on the iPad
will then speak the question comment or

608
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:56,280
concern to the recept
receptionist and then the receptionist

609
01:00:52,960 --> 01:01:04,319
can answer and the ASL will then be able
to relay that via uh ASL to the person

610
01:01:01,559 --> 01:01:10,079
who is dead so it's a means of of
communication and and thank you for uh

611
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:16,319
asking that question because not
everybody would have a clue what video

612
01:01:14,039 --> 01:01:22,680
remote interpreter
meant right just so that I understand

613
01:01:19,559 --> 01:01:28,359
the corly though so for someone to use
this they have to come into the building

614
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:32,720
yes yes it is meant for a personto
person customer service

615
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:42,359
experience video to person
yes because it is different for the duck

616
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:46,799
Community to to speak to a live person
vers the iPad it does prevent some it

617
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:52,559
does provide some
barriers being um using an interpreter

618
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:56,480
on an iPad however that is the way that
the world is going unfortunately not

619
01:01:55,400 --> 01:02:01,200
really
um fully providing the accessible

620
01:01:59,279 --> 01:02:06,160
accessibility needs of the person that
is De but that um it's another

621
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:10,839
alternative to not having a live
interpreter I should know the answer to

622
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:16,799
this but I don't so if someone's sitting
at home and they say I have a question

623
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:22,760
for you know about a building permit I
need to talk to somebody in the

624
01:02:19,039 --> 01:02:27,119
building how does that work like how how
do they do they have to come down to

625
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:32,760
City Hall basically so before it would
have been a TTY yeah most do not use a

626
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:38,799
TTY any longer they just use their
phones and text which is great so they

627
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:45,880
can text to agencies or places that can
text back but that's not everybody

628
01:02:41,119 --> 01:02:51,160
either so um email is another form of
asking questions as

629
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:56,839
well or an interpreter what about Belle
really yeah you can use Belle Rel that's

630
01:02:55,000 --> 01:03:00,400
um for when
the person is using a TTY and the other

631
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:06,160
person on the other end does not have a
TTY it's just that most most people are

632
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:06,160
not using the

633
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:10,000
T

634
01:03:10,799 --> 01:03:17,880
in actual
interpreters there are

635
01:03:16,359 --> 01:03:25,319
two
official um ASL interpreters one works

636
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:30,520
for CHS one is a freelance okay I don't
know if or any other car do you know no

637
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:34,760
that's that's correct okay
hypothetically if someone knows that

638
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:39,839
they want to go down to City Hall in the
future could they get City Hall to book

639
01:03:37,279 --> 01:03:46,319
one of these interpreters to me them for
a special meeting absolutely okay

640
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:51,079
absolutely and um I'm getting into the
weeds but is that part of the training

641
01:03:48,839 --> 01:03:59,559
manual for sta
City orientation it will be

642
01:03:56,079 --> 01:04:06,039
this iPad yes we'll do the trial the
test tomorrow yeah and then from there

643
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:11,000
the reception staff will be trained on
its use okay and then from there when

644
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:15,160
someone comes down to use the equipment
with someone who is De because maybe

645
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:21,960
they showed up in person and want to
talk about a building permit um the

646
01:04:18,799 --> 01:04:28,799
receptionist will then be able to say to
Carl or to Magie this is how you use it

647
01:04:26,319 --> 01:04:34,839
and we'll set it up in whatever whatever
area works for you okay yes so then will

648
01:04:32,119 --> 01:04:38,880
they be using well what what are they
using or or what should we be using

649
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:43,599
going forward for meetings even such as
this

650
01:04:39,799 --> 01:04:50,279
that's being Live on YouTube but we
don't have interpreter we don't have an

651
01:04:47,279 --> 01:04:56,240
interpreter because our sound has been
so terrible there's no

652
01:04:52,359 --> 01:05:03,240
sound but The Interpreter any
interpreter live though we could do live

653
01:05:00,319 --> 01:05:09,119
I don't think that's effective though to
communicate to people at home who may be

654
01:05:06,839 --> 01:05:14,240
watching from home or who want to watch
in the future because if you look on the

655
01:05:12,119 --> 01:05:21,160
camera right now our view is a little
bit different but it may not be able to

656
01:05:18,599 --> 01:05:28,799
effectively capture because the ASL
interpreter is going to be one of many

657
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:35,200
in the room yeah um I think and I'm not
positive about this I think the most

658
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:41,400
effective way to use ASL is on
Zoom where their um their ASL

659
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:45,839
interpretation can be pegged so that
it's a larger View and then the rest of

660
01:05:44,079 --> 01:05:51,920
us are smaller because what we're doing
doesn't matter as much because we've got

661
01:05:49,319 --> 01:05:56,240
the verbal communication but for people
who use the AFL they need to be able to

662
01:05:54,359 --> 01:06:02,920
see it a little bit larger
larer once we have our sound worked out

663
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:06,839
and I'm not sure how this is really
going

664
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:10,799
to how this is really going to sound
when we hear the recording it's still a

665
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:17,599
bit
echy once we've got that then I would

666
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:20,599
love to get ASL back for regular
meetings

667
01:06:21,279 --> 01:06:27,559
yes okay any other questions comments
thoughts

668
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:37,480
well if that's the case uh and it says
that we have no s plan subcommittee

669
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:44,000
report
but

670
01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:50,480
but you question okay I was gonna say
that Derek Diane and myself went out to

671
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:56,640
St CL field yes Sinclair field Sinclair
field field it wasn't field it's

672
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:59,640
Sinclair yard
yard

673
01:06:59,960 --> 01:07:13,240
okay yeah you know what this is tough so
anyways we had a good old time we met

674
01:07:08,319 --> 01:07:13,240
with this nice person

675
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:23,319
um uh Pat and who was his other new was
the elderly gentl

676
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:29,960
yes who was the
know of

677
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:43,559
the okay um so any we went out there and
we looked at the uh St clear

678
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:47,400
Park s
yard well and I

679
01:07:49,359 --> 01:07:57,400
call anyways um we sat and we talked
about the

680
01:07:54,240 --> 01:08:02,520
washroom and what they need to do with
the

681
01:07:58,799 --> 01:08:08,640
washroom and it was pretty neat to
actually see that they were thinking of

682
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:12,680
doing different fields but we have to
the

683
01:08:09,839 --> 01:08:15,799
washrooms uh or they have to but with
our

684
01:08:13,599 --> 01:08:24,480
help uh they have
to get the whe uh wash wheelchair

685
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:30,560
accessible before move to the next part
correctly from the do though is that the

686
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:38,279
truth or is am
I just dreaming

687
01:08:33,359 --> 01:08:42,239
that no you you've got it basically yeah
yeah they're they're they're working at

688
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:46,600
Bas basically that I think it's a
two-part program the first part and

689
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:51,679
their top priority is to get the
accessible washroom bu and I I was

690
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:56,400
astounded by how big the building was I
mean they certainly have lots of room in

691
01:08:53,239 --> 01:09:05,719
there yeah yeah so they're they're
hoping to receive a grant on that we had

692
01:09:01,440 --> 01:09:13,239
committed to $6,000
$6,000 um is that by Council it was it

693
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:17,920
was perfect so it it's sitting there in
in a holding pattern waiting for their

694
01:09:16,759 --> 01:09:23,600
project to
proceed and they really see putting the

695
01:09:20,719 --> 01:09:28,560
accessible washrooms in as as the first
step and probably right if they can't do

696
01:09:26,359 --> 01:09:33,600
that why bother to move ahead but the
game plan is I'm sorry dere I just kind

697
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:39,000
of jumped in here no problem the game
plan has eventually been put in an asur

698
01:09:36,279 --> 01:09:46,729
field and that is the accessible field
and they have done it elsewhere uh

699
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:46,729
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700
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:53,359
bbody
field which just makes it work for my

701
01:09:53,600 --> 01:10:00,840
accessibility view point there so many
other go

702
01:10:01,030 --> 01:10:04,240
[Music]

703
01:10:04,679 --> 01:10:16,320
ahead no no I think I think it was it
was a very good t tour both with graham

704
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:22,040
with um with Pat Graham is the historian
of the Su Miner baseball he knows

705
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:30,239
everything absolutely
everything um and Pat is the

706
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:36,159
uh somewhat newly retired Enthusiast for
uh sum

707
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:42,360
baseball knows everything BR built
everything new construction

708
01:10:39,440 --> 01:10:48,000
was so he's he
has has an amazing network of friends

709
01:10:45,199 --> 01:10:55,400
where he calls and things happen it's a
great system only can do that and can I

710
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:59,800
make a comment of that all
[Music]

711
01:10:57,159 --> 01:11:05,600
oh my God that is the most wonderful
thing to see when you go out there you

712
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:11,440
see a big gigantic
baseball yes and I think it's got the

713
01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:20,280
Canadian record for the largest baseball
in Canada yes

714
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:27,239
yes so anybody at home go
on said it's in Google Earth that's how

715
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:27,239
popular

716
01:11:28,330 --> 01:11:34,679
[Music]
and it was

717
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:41,040
do it was actually for something else
and the guy said well rather than throw

718
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:45,880
this out I give to gra his guys you know
sand it all down round it all out put an

719
01:11:43,719 --> 01:11:48,000
anchor on the thing pain it and that's
how

720
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:58,960
it so that's
very

721
01:11:53,800 --> 01:12:03,159
um before we Jour sorry yes s go ahead
sorry you have to remind me three times

722
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:10,840
know
that okay question um for Diane Diane um

723
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:14,440
I'm sure I know the answer but want
confirm the Emergency Management plan

724
01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:21,400
for the
city I know that you've been part of

725
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:26,880
that right yes yes in in a in a couple
of different ways um one of the things

726
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:33,600
that will be done in the future that
came about as a result of uh Co

727
01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:40,719
shutdowns with literally everything is
that um people who are deaf and rely on

728
01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:45,560
other means of of communication were cut
off from the world um they they had a

729
01:12:43,679 --> 01:12:51,760
very difficult time receiving
information about Co and

730
01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:57,480
afterwards um one of the takeways from
that is that when any emergency

731
01:12:54,639 --> 01:13:04,639
information comes out from the city is
that ASL will be used and it will be

732
01:13:01,239 --> 01:13:08,440
part of a video like you see quite often
the States you see that through

733
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:14,840
Emergency Management but there will be
an ASL interpreter available as well to

734
01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:22,600
be able to provide emergency
information um and I think Lauren and I

735
01:13:19,159 --> 01:13:27,639
have done some meetings with the death
community and Lauren has taken away some

736
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:33,560
information from those
meetings and she's also got another task

737
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:38,120
riew going on which I missed the first
one because I think I was away for

738
01:13:35,440 --> 01:13:44,280
something we had a meeting yesterday
excellent and so the emergency group got

739
01:13:41,480 --> 01:13:50,960
together and U she updated us on the
emergency plan then it got me thinking

740
01:13:48,239 --> 01:13:56,840
that gave examples such as if the
electricity went out and a large portion

741
01:13:53,960 --> 01:14:03,280
of people had to evacuated or moved you
know you CR Hospital could be or used or

742
01:14:00,159 --> 01:14:08,719
other centers so then I was thinking if
a large population had to be moved

743
01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:14,320
elsewhere is there a designated area in
Su St Marine that is conducive to those

744
01:14:12,679 --> 01:14:18,199
with accessibility disabilities like
should we have a

745
01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:26,600
designated like a
mustard you know I mean yeah I think I

746
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:33,080
think most Emergency Man plans are a
little bit fluid it depends upon what

747
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:38,120
the emergency is and who it affects um I
know in the past I don't know if if it

748
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:42,440
is still part of the plan I suspect it
is is John rhs is is one of the

749
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:50,120
emergency centers because there's a
large large Gathering space capacity

750
01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:57,880
there um I think that is also capacity
that Lauren is trying to build by um by

751
01:14:55,000 --> 01:15:06,040
coordinating with who should be involved
who are contact for you know people with

752
01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:12,000
mental health who are contacts for um
people with Mobility disabilities who

753
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:16,679
are contacts for you know any other
vulnerable population in the city and I

754
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:22,040
think that is a new piece that is being
worked on okay um and obviously you're

755
01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:26,920
part of all that that's that's all I
want to know yeah yeah it's excellent

756
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:29,960
It's it's a great collaboration and it's
it's something that's very important has

757
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:35,520
to
happen thank

758
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:42,960
you just before we move on does anyone
have any comments uh on this using this

759
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:46,880
room uh Dan is going to go back and look
at the look at the tape because then

760
01:15:44,719 --> 01:15:53,120
we'll get a better sense as how's the
video and audio working you know we'll

761
01:15:49,159 --> 01:15:56,920
be able to tell from that but you know
good bad IND

762
01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:14,880
that's usually good is that good all
right

763
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:14,880
does it feel St it feels very stag

764
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:24,360
ande start sweating a
[Music]

765
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:28,440
lot you can feel the air moving around
airc

766
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:34,120
thought there what if we were to get a
computer that Dian can

767
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:39,760
use rather than
personal or is that a city it is a city

768
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:48,000
laptop okay can you get the information
that you need to do a live stream so you

769
01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:55,320
don't have to go through we went for
today absolutely what I'll have to do is

770
01:16:50,639 --> 01:17:01,719
bring my laptop to City Hall and uh have
Zoe in the same room with me and we'll

771
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:08,320
it's just it's a security thing so that
nobody abuses it's an extra piece of

772
01:17:04,639 --> 01:17:15,960
security done it once know once you get
it all up go exactly once we've done it

773
01:17:13,320 --> 01:17:20,159
once together in the same
room it it I don't think it's going to

774
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:29,320
be a security issue because it wasn't a
security issue uh on my on my desktop

775
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:37,239
from the office now um what about these
um overhead projectors like what we have

776
01:17:33,719 --> 01:17:42,239
to use
there um can you explain that a little

777
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:50,719
bit more D I'm not sure what you need
there's a projector up there yeah if we

778
01:17:46,199 --> 01:17:50,719
were to access them what do we need to

779
01:17:50,760 --> 01:18:02,520
do exactly what we did this time
which is we come and and they set it up

780
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:13,560
for us I'm still not quite following
what you need like what like for you to

781
01:18:07,440 --> 01:18:18,600
to do you have like how long to set up
for that probably about a half an hour

782
01:18:16,159 --> 01:18:24,800
we had to bring our owl from the office
it was here with us earlier they they

783
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:31,360
grabbed the owl from our from our office
and they set it up for us and now that

784
01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:36,440
I've seen it done once you know the
gentleman here who help set up the

785
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:41,440
tables and such can help me set up
everything else it's it's it's not a big

786
01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:41,440
deal at

787
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:52,480
all how do you find the space
here I find the space

788
01:18:48,159 --> 01:18:59,280
okay but we can't lock that
door because if some

789
01:18:55,360 --> 01:19:01,719
come in and they're part of all you're
heing

790
01:19:02,639 --> 01:19:12,920
is door's locked yeah I think it's it's
it's locked from the outside this door

791
01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:19,920
here is not locked and it's only to come
back in yes we can we can have that

792
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:27,320
unlocked for future meetings here okay
so first we go live we're going to have

793
01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:33,600
somebody talking we're live
we yeah yeah we can have that

794
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:37,880
unlocked other thoughts do the benefits
outweigh the amount of extra work it

795
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:37,880
takes you

796
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:48,080
D it will depend upon the quality right
I can tell you the the visual quality of

797
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:53,840
the meetings isn't as good because it's
a projector rather than um the

798
01:19:51,320 --> 01:20:00,600
television but maybe that will look
different on the recording I'm hoping

799
01:19:56,600 --> 01:20:06,520
the sound is better and if it is then
we're ready to have an ASL interpreter

800
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:13,000
join us again for for meetings what
what's the difference if we're using the

801
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:16,920
same um amplifier and to me the room is
bigger which would make the Acoustics

802
01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:22,800
worse so I'm just wondering why it's
better here or why it might be better

803
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:28,159
here with the same device I think part
of it is this wall here

804
01:20:25,239 --> 01:20:34,320
has something that softens that whole
wall the the the pull down things it

805
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:39,480
also mentioned that this space right
above us here is just dropped down a

806
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:45,440
little bit so it it just gives a
different yeah different

807
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:52,560
acoustic feel to it otherwise the room
is very empty empty and I I still find

808
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:57,760
it to be eoy a little bit um so I don't
know what the sound is going to be the

809
01:20:55,080 --> 01:21:02,800
captioning on the video looks like it's
fairly

810
01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:07,320
accurate um but we'll see what the sound
is like is it better if the source is

811
01:21:05,400 --> 01:21:14,520
closer
to people speaking because we can even

812
01:21:10,199 --> 01:21:17,920
close in just slightly and bring that
and there's actually another one there's

813
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:23,480
two the ows are designed to work as a
pair they only have one here but like we

814
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:30,320
use this system of own Public Health as
well and it's exactly the same I it's

815
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:35,199
BR and they a couple of feet AP about
this far apart right it works great so

816
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:42,000
that's and we we have the second one as
well the it guys just been bringing yeah

817
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:45,560
but I agree like the issue is this is I
I like this room it's a big room it's a

818
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:54,280
little less convenient for some people
distance wise traveling I get that but

819
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:54,280
the sound I think I like that b p

820
01:21:55,159 --> 01:22:04,920
those chairs at the other place for me
is brutal barely make it through the the

821
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:09,840
last 15 20 minutes it's like oh my
goodness Diana it's okay time G bring a

822
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:15,639
pillow with
it deal I can make arrangements to get

823
01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:22,000
something else but these are you know
softer they give a bit they're not like

824
01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:30,000
that hard plastic for Year yes
yes good point I never even thought

825
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:37,639
that um just that when you come into an
entrance way there is some

826
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:42,270
plants that are right inside our
actuators are

827
01:22:40,199 --> 01:22:47,880
there there oh
[Music]

828
01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:56,199
okay okay is it
blocking okay I'll

829
01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:56,199
uh yeah no

830
01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:10,750
other
thoughts if none can we have a motion to

831
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:17,070
return
[Music]

832
01:23:20,780 --> 01:23:23,899
[Music]

833
01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:28,040
Happ