[0:30] say
blue.
[0:35] » Hit red and you're live.
>> Yes.
[0:55] instructions
[0:59] table.
[1:04] » Is this how we talk?
[1:11] » Okay.
[1:32] That's what it that's really
>> but just having the rules
[1:54] But that neighborhood is
[2:09] after
[2:28] Yeah, but it's really
[2:40] anyway
agreement
[2:53] to be successful. And that's what the
money's for.
[2:58] » A little bit of a good tick off.
[3:10] » I don't think he's okay.
[3:23] Okay, that was the question, right?
[3:39] in our HOA is doing a lot of legal
beagle stuff. So, it's
[3:44] » Yeah. No,
>> it was our
[3:57] » Sorry, I didn't I have a table full.
everybody around the table. We have the
[4:04] six, seven, eight year old and all the
parents and everything in my house. So,
[4:11] I had to hustle.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
[4:17] » And that's pretty cool. I love it. So,
[4:32] Usually I have Oh, I want to do I have
one minute.
[4:43] » Bernie,
>> Dennis, welcome.
[4:53] » I mean,
[4:56] I'm not missing
[5:02] It's just been a busy day.
>> I think
[5:05] » Okay, it is six o'clock.
>> Pardon me.
[5:11] » Okay.
>> Okay. It's 6 o'clock. So, I'll call this
[5:15] Wednesday, March 4th, 2026,
uh, board of trustee studies session to
[5:22] order, and the clerk call the role.
President Brown
[5:26] » here.
>> Trustees Donaldson
[5:29] » here.
>> Dyra
[5:31] Camper
>> here.
[5:34] » Mangan
>> here.
[5:36] » Seaner
faick
[5:38] » here.
[5:48] » Okay. Um
I'm just going to skip ahead. If people
[5:53] haven't noticed, we have a new um mic
system here that you have to push
[6:00] in order to be heard. I guess red is
constantly on,
[6:05] so you have to take it off and then blue
is push to talk, but then it comes off.
[6:11] Just so everybody's aware.
[6:15] Okay, we'll move on to public comment.
Uh if anybody has any comment uh please
[6:21] step up to the mic. You'll have five
minutes. I'll let you know if you go
[6:25] over five minutes. But uh anybody have
any comments.
[6:30] Please uh state your name for the clerk
so she can put it down in the minutes.
[6:35] » Good evening. My name is Emily Close.
I'm a longtime resident of Champagne and
[6:40] I'm here to ask you to proceed
thoughtfully with the dockless bike
[6:44] sharing program. Champagne has had this
program since I believe 2019.
[6:50] And I have lived in Champagne for 32
years. And I've noticed that these
[6:54] wheelbikes, these ebikes are left
everywhere, often to the detriment of
[6:59] pedestrians who are trying to walk
safely on the sidewalks, joggers,
[7:04] runners, dog walkers, regular old pedal
bicyclists, older people or infirmed
[7:09] people using wheelchairs, canes, or
walkers. Visually impaired people.
[7:14] Little kids that play on sidewalks.
People just out for a stroll. People
[7:19] walking to work. people pushing a baby
carriage. All of us deserve to safely
[7:24] use the infrastructure of our towns.
That safety is compromised when ebikes
[7:29] are abandoned on sidewalks and left for
us to trip over. Second, these vehicles
[7:35] are a silent danger. You can't hear them
when they come up behind you and try to
[7:40] run you off the sidewalk. A VOE bike is
a motorized vehicle with a throttle.
[7:46] They're not cute little toys for
children to ride. They're more like
[7:51] motorcycles, so they can go fast, and
you can't see them at night, and you
[7:55] certainly can't see them or hear them
when they're weaving through traffic.
[7:59] Third, if you bring 250 VE bikes into
Seavoi, how are you going to monitor the
[8:06] program? Champagne does not, in my
experience, adequately monitor their
[8:11] program. For example, the Champagne
Planning Department has told me
[8:16] repeatedly over the years to call VO
with my concerns about safety.
[8:21] Well, the company is less than helpful.
The CSRs who answer the phones are many
[8:26] states away, California, Utah. No one
who answers the phones is local. So
[8:33] those reps know nothing about Seavoi,
Champagne, or Illinois for that matter.
[8:39] and supervisors are never available.
BO's stated MO is for the CSR to send an
[8:45] email to someone locally who might be
dispatched to pick up the errant bike to
[8:50] recirculate it or the bike might sit
there indefinitely blocking the sidewalk
[8:55] or street due to VO's apparent staff
shortage. In my experience,
[9:00] accountability from VO to the town's
people and the communities they serve is
[9:04] scant. Fourth, the business model of VO
is archaic. Like Blanch Dubois, Veale
[9:12] relies on the kindness of strangers.
Strangers like Joe and Jane Citizen are
[9:18] asked to call Veo at 8558362256
[9:23] and report its abandoned and compromised
ebikes so they can be picked up and
[9:27] recirculated because VO just doesn't
keep track of its own vehicles. Over the
[9:33] years, I've seen VOE bikes and champagne
and Urbana turned upside down and
[9:38] abandoned in private yards and public
parks, strewn across sidewalks, thrown
[9:43] in the boneyard, frozen to the ground in
the winter, and I even saw one in a
[9:48] tree. They're an eyesore and a menace
unless the program is stringently
[9:53] monitored from the get-go. Seavoy
trustees, I hope before you proceed with
[9:59] the implementation of this program, you
consider all viewpoints, including mine.
[10:04] I ask that you require VO to closely
monitor the location of its vehicles so
[10:08] they are moved and recirculated quickly.
Demand statistics from them on how
[10:14] quickly these vehicles are actually
picked up. Make citizen safety the
[10:18] cornerstone of the policy you put in
place for any micromobility program like
[10:23] this. We all want to feel safe when
we're outside using the city's streets
[10:27] and sidewalks. That's really not asking
too much.
[10:35] » Thank you. Is there any other public
comment?
[10:40] I see Teddy Davis walking up.
My name's Ted Davis. I live at 409
[10:47] Graham Drive in Seavoi, which is at the
corner of Graham and Prospect, and
[10:53] you're thinking about putting a
three-way stop, or you call it a hallway
[10:57] stop at that point. That would be a very
good thing. It would obviously help me,
[11:03] but I don't worry about me. when you
have your biggest problem is when you
[11:07] have a meeting or something across the
street on weekends.
[11:11] You've taken the parking off of
Prospect, which has helped considerably.
[11:16] But at that corner, you've got one that
goes flying right on through and you got
[11:22] two others that stop. They people that
are on Graham Drive cannot see Prospect
[11:28] until they almost get out on to it.
anything coming from the south and if
[11:33] you think they don't go around that
corner pretty fast you're wrong during
[11:37] the day and def definitely when you have
a convention or something across the way
[11:43] like they do on weekends. So I would
recommend that it would be good for you
[11:48] to slow that traffic up a little bit
there. Thank you.
[12:00] Is there any other public comment?
[12:16] » Okay. I know you just uh walked in, so
you get five minutes. So
[12:21] » the assumption today that we put this
stop sign at Graham and whatever that
[12:27] street is and I think it's needed and I
came here tonight expecting it to be
[12:35] done on that night and I was not I am
not impressed that on my information.
[12:44] So, I think we need the street sign. And
that's all I need to know.
[12:57] Okay. Is there any other public comment?
[13:01] Okay. Seeing none, we'll move on to
president's remarks. Going to go ahead
[13:05] and turn this over to Andy to introduce
our
[13:09] newest employee.
>> Thank you, Mr. President. Um, I'm
[13:11] honored here tonight to introduce Scott
Batty, uh, who's in the audience, uh, is
[13:16] our new communications, um, manager.
Scott, uh, as many of you know, is a
[13:21] media professional with nearly two
decades of experience in the area. As a
[13:25] seasoned broadcaster, he's probably best
known in the community for coverage and
[13:29] broadcasting of UFI athletics, but he
also brings expertise in media
[13:34] relations. With a background as a former
news reporter with WDWS and the News
[13:39] Gazette, Scott has a working knowledge
of local government. Uh he's also hosted
[13:43] numerous news and talk programs,
conducting interviews with elected
[13:46] officials and local leaders, including a
few probably even in this room. Uh as a
[13:52] bonus, Scott and his wife Christina have
been Seavoy residents for over 10 years
[13:55] along with their two children. Uh and
Scott wanted me to let you know their
[13:59] two cats. Uh Christina is a tenure
professor at Parkland College in
[14:03] chemistry and a foreign excuse me in
chemistry and forensic science. Uh
[14:08] before his time in media, Scott had
experience in campus ministry and music.
[14:13] Um in his spare time, Scott has lots of
hobbies. Uh I won't go into them, but uh
[14:18] he likes coffee and running and I think
that's what we need to know the most. So
[14:22] um Scott has been a great addition to
our organization just in the last few
[14:26] weeks. his experience um provides uh
countless opportunities for us to expand
[14:31] our communications and media work and
we're excited to have him.
[14:37] » It is a part-time position. That is
accurate. Yes.
[14:42] » Um anybody have any comments at all?
>> All righty.
[14:51] I do cannot think of any other
announcements. Can you think of any?
[14:57] » No, your honor.
>> Uh, we'll move on to uh discussion
[15:02] items. Uh, staff reports. We'll let the
sheriff's office go first.
[15:09] » Thank you. Uh, good evening, Seth Her
with the sheriff's office.
[15:14] » Nothing major to report to you guys.
Obviously, uh, coming up here in the end
[15:18] of April is going to be the Illinois
Marathon that does come through Savoi.
[15:22] Uh we've already had early uh planning
stages with that uh with uh Chief Smith
[15:26] with the fire department and Roland
White with the uh public works. So
[15:30] that's in in the uh process beginning
stages with that. So we're looking
[15:33] forward to another successful uh
marathon this year.
[15:38] Uh any questions for the sheriff's
office?
[15:44] Yep.
We'll move on to our uh monthly
[15:49] financial reports.
[15:57] first.
[16:01] » Hello, Mr. President, and good evening,
board of trustees. Um, I'll talk about
[16:06] the treasures report real quick. First,
um,
[16:11] as compared to last month, we have a
little bit more money on hand. Um, and
[16:16] we're sitting at about $20 million.
Um items of interest that might that
[16:22] might be of interest to you on the
dispersements are um a few project
[16:30] related things that Roland's been
working on. We've dispersed and this is
[16:33] in January. We've dispersed $27,000
uh towards the Prairie Fields uh
[16:38] multi-use path which is also funded by
the ITP grant. Um
[16:46] and
[16:50] We dispersed uh six about just under
$70,000 for the first street bridge
[16:54] improvement. And worth noting is that
the city of Champagne, I believe it is,
[16:58] reimbured us for 50% of that. We also
dispersed um 91 almost 92,000 for the I
[17:06] do uh route 45 resurface project which
was our share our cost share of that
[17:11] project. Um,
and on the whole looks like we spent
[17:17] about $449,000.
Everything else was just u your typical
[17:22] operating expenses.
Do you have any questions?
[17:27] » Hey, any questions for Jolene?
[17:33] » Do what?
What do you say?
[17:38] Oh,
[17:46] » do you want me to do the investment
report now?
[17:48] » Yeah.
>> Okay. So, we also have the quarterly
[17:50] investment report. Um, we have about $20
million invested at this time, which is
[17:56] about 99.2%
of all cash on hand.
[18:00] Um
bear with me
[18:06] of that 20 million about 19,000 or 19
million 19.2 million is available. It's
[18:14] very liquid. We can uh withdraw that
anytime that we want to.
[18:18] As you see on page five, you can see the
quarterly I'm comparing three quarters
[18:23] of Q3 on a fiscal year basis and uh the
interest earnings basically investment
[18:30] earnings continue to go up. However, I
do expect to see that to start dropping
[18:34] because um as you'd expect the interest
rates are dropping. Um,
[18:41] if you look at page six, you can see
that on this bar chart that we've
[18:46] continued to go up and now we're
starting to see a little bit of drop.
[18:49] That's a little bit because of rates and
also we're going to start seeing more
[18:52] money go out the door as we start
working on Curtis Road. Um,
[18:58] right now we're averaging about $13,000
a month from interest income on CDs and
[19:04] then uh the remainder is all on um
pulled investments with Illinois funds.
[19:13] I also have noted in here that we would
look at other ways to invest our money.
[19:17] Um, I did look into treasuries last
month to see if that would make us any
[19:21] more money. And to be honest, Illinois
Funds actually earns us more money and
[19:25] the money is more liquid than it would
be if I put it into treasuries. So, um,
[19:31] I think that's it. Do you guys have any
questions for me?
[19:41] Okay.
>> Thank you.
[19:43] Yeah. So, we'll we'll put together
[20:06] ahead.
>> Um, so we just wrapped up obviously the
[20:12] third quarter. So, uh, we're getting to
that time of year where our budget comes
[20:16] down to a lot of reallocations. Um, we
had about seven this last quarter. Um,
[20:22] which really isn't too too bad. Um, some
of that was because of some projects
[20:27] again that we are doing. Uh, mainly the
downtown demolition to get that started.
[20:32] Um,
there weren't really any big budget
[20:36] increases or decreases. We're kind of on
par.
[20:40] And then um you'll note on the budget
impact um you if you look closely at the
[20:46] budget report that you were given the uh
fire shift wages are above and beyond
[20:51] what we expected. That is because when
we initially budgeted we did not expect
[20:56] the shift wages to be completely full as
they are. So we're blessed that they're
[21:00] really full but we also really didn't
think that they would be. So, um, but
[21:05] we're going to make that up through some
different reallocations and, um, any
[21:10] money that comes in for the fire, um,
with their lift assist and the fire
[21:14] subscriptions, that will all go towards
that overage. So, it'll all be fine in
[21:18] the end. Um, and because of those shift
wages, that also makes our social
[21:22] security
go up as well. It's kind of a reciprocal
[21:26] kind of thing. Um, and then
unfortunately the poor fire department
[21:30] has had its share of uh grand repairs
this year. Um, and that's something that
[21:35] we can't do anything about. It just
happens. So, we just kind of go with the
[21:38] flow and find the money where we can to
make that happen. Um, other than that, I
[21:43] think everything's pretty much on par.
Does anyone have any questions?
[21:51] » All right. Fantastic. Thank you.
Sure.
[22:09] Uh I think you saw in the draft budget
we're u looking at uh purchasing a new
[22:14] street sweeper and we're very thankful
for that if it comes to fruition because
[22:19] uh current one was down uh I think over
three months this year for repairs and
[22:24] uh That's one of our most popular needed
services. Curtis Rud was mentioned. Um
[22:29] we're making good progress there and uh
rightway acquisition is is slated to
[22:35] begin in the very near future. We had to
um jump several hurdles with IDOT and
[22:40] Federal Highway before that could begin
and we're very close. So that's going to
[22:43] start. We've had some very good meetings
with the university and Canadian
[22:47] National Railroad. And as I mentioned
before, we got a $3.3 million ID do
[22:52] grant that's helped us out quite a bit
and uh we're planning to come back on
[22:56] that study session plan for later this
summer. So that concludes my update.
[23:05] questions.
[23:09] » I I'll just uh relay to you that I've
had uh and I did relay one conversation
[23:14] where people are concerned about
streets being swept and um I've probably
[23:20] had three people approach me about that.
It's probably the time of year where
[23:24] debris is in the streets and people are
concerned about storm water. So, just
[23:30] relaying that.
>> Good to know.
[23:45] Sorry. Okay. So, the community and
economic development uh quarter 3
[23:48] department community development. Uh
we've had two planning and zoning cases.
[23:54] Um
both uh have been approved it appears.
[24:01] Sorry. the comprehensive plan update. Uh
we closed out closed the survey uh
[24:09] January 1st. It seems there were 302
total responses. 87% of that was
[24:16] submitted by village residents. Um we
are going to be continuing with that. Uh
[24:21] working towards
using the data we've collected from that
[24:26] and um creating a draft report soon. Um
Ory the building safety super advisor is
[24:34] going he's working on uh getting our
code compliance updated. Uh that final
[24:41] report I'm sorry final meeting should be
taken in
[24:48] should be done in early April is what
this says. So, he's planning on having
[24:53] that uh and we then we should be able to
come forward with
[24:59] our the final report for you to vote on
in early April um for economic
[25:06] development.
In quarter three, we approved oh two uh
[25:13] building and property enhancement
grants, the BPG grants. um one for
[25:18] Massage Envy for a new sign and one for
411 Claridan Court which is building um
[25:24] behind it's the State Farm agent is
there. Some of the other it's a it's a
[25:29] multi- office building. They're going to
be improving the sidewalk as well as uh
[25:35] some of the brick facade potentially if
they have the the funds to cover both of
[25:40] those. So um those things are what has
happened in quarter three and
[25:47] That's all I've got. So, any questions?
[25:57] » Sorry.
[26:02] » Uh just a few key highlights. Uh we did
have our record calendar year for calls
[26:07] uh that happened during quarter 3. Uh I
think some of you saw social media posts
[26:11] on that. Uh call volume is up and
continuing to trend up. Uh the other big
[26:16] change there was a federal change from
Nifers infers uh to NERS. So some of the
[26:22] data looks a little different the names.
Um there will be some more uh graphs and
[26:27] other things included in future reports
from that new NERS data. So that is all
[26:32] I have.
[26:38] » Um I see that the shifts are getting
filled. And so it appears that you have
[26:43] sufficient uh co per personnel coverage
for needs but also that needs have has
[26:50] risen. So do you still feel comfortable
with what we have set?
[26:57] » Yeah. So all of our shifts um for the
last several months have been filled
[27:00] which is a great thing. There are times
that we get multiple calls at once. Um,
[27:04] so there's not a guarantee that others
will be available. Uh, but we do our
[27:09] best and uh, I think we're in a pretty
good spot with staffing currently.
[27:14] » What came first particular VA? Did the
staff the shifts fill first or did the
[27:19] increase calls which created a need for
shift fil?
[27:23] » Uh, shifts filled first. Um we've been
very lucky and blessed that they have
[27:28] been filled and then call volume has
increased
[27:32] » volume
[27:37] » over the long run. Yes. But in the short
term, uh, shifts have been filled for
[27:41] quite some time.
[27:55] There we go.
[28:14] » Just a just a comment. I do like some of
the new uh data that's in the report
[28:17] coming out of the the new federal
system. The map is quite interesting too
[28:21] to see where where you guys are going.
Obviously I know of some of those
[28:25] because they're larger incidents as
we're going further away but uh it's
[28:28] very interesting how I mean obviously
much of it concentrated in SEO but you
[28:33] guys are helping a lot of folks out
around the county
[28:36] » and you'll see uh increased data as we
get more familiar with that software to
[28:40] give you more information.
[28:44] Do the are the lifts included in
medical, no emergency or both?
[28:49] » Uh the lifts if they are just a lift
assist would be the non-emergency. If we
[28:54] go there for a lift assist and it turns
into a medical then it would be
[28:56] classified under medical.
[29:00] » Yep. Uh I I will say quite often we're
dispatched for things that we are
[29:04] completely different than when we get
there. So
[29:06] » Okay.
I I think the sheriff's office would
[29:09] probably agree with that's countywide
and nothing wrong with the dispatchers
[29:13] or anything like that. People just don't
always give the best information over
[29:16] the phone and we find a lot a lot of
different things.
[29:25] » Thank you, Sam.
>> Uh Nick.
[29:34] » All right. Hi. Um, so this last quarter
we saw again tons of usage at the rec
[29:39] center. Um, uh, pretty much record
numbers through quarter three and that
[29:43] continued into February this year. We're
in the middle of kind of special event
[29:47] season for us. Um, we went New Year's
Eve to mother son uh, daddy daughter
[29:53] dance, mother son Nerf war. On Friday
we're going to have the St. Patrick's
[29:57] Day festival. Then in April we'll have
the doggy Easter egg hunt. And so all
[30:01] those things are very wellreceived, um,
very popular, all those sorts of things.
[30:04] And so then on top of that you also see
events coming to us like the CU craft
[30:08] fair which also saw booming numbers and
everything. So so most of the things
[30:12] over there are are are pretty highly
anticipated and attended and happy to
[30:17] answer any questions.
[30:22] » Hey Nick, I see your your uh staff has
got a pretty active social media
[30:27] presence. Some of the stuff's pretty
cute. It's funny funny to watch.
[30:30] I I didn't see a uh views or a click
count or maybe that's a Scott thing to
[30:36] to put in to to see are we driving
traffic. Are folks using it more? Right.
[30:40] I mean the
>> obviously older folks maybe like some of
[30:44] us sitting around here aren't as as keen
on following the social media, but with
[30:49] with kids still around, I can I can see
that you guys are doing some some
[30:53] innovative things in that area and
getting getting the word out about the
[30:56] events that are going on. one of the
pictures of the, you know, whether it's
[30:59] the line dancing or the moms and sons
shooting each other with Nerf is pretty
[31:04] cool to see. So
>> yeah, no, our social media has become
[31:06] very popular. I don't have the numbers
in front of me on how how much it's
[31:09] increased or those sorts of things, but
I can get those and put those in the
[31:12] next report so that you guys have that.
But but yeah, it is. And Ireland is
[31:15] doing an amazing job with that. And I
keep getting brought back to how my
[31:19] goldfish has died and people keep
talking about that video on on social
[31:21] media. So, you know, breaks my heart a
little bit.
[31:27] I don't know if this is a question. It's
more to relay a comment that the um that
[31:33] facility has ended up being very popular
and well used across all age groups and
[31:40] despite any topic of whether it's an
exercise class or raetball or using the
[31:48] walking track above all area or
individual classes or the weight room.
[31:53] It seems always to my eye well received
and filled.
[31:58] » There's no question. We try and use
every square inch of that building and
[32:01] it is well used and well loved.
[32:06] » Any other questions?
[32:12] » We are done.
[32:36] Now, this was uh I asked Andy to look
into this when he first came here. As
[32:42] you can have all seen, we've had these
bikes that are left uh
[32:49] wherever in the village. Uh they've
never bothered to get an agreement with
[32:54] the village of Seavoi. In fact, when we
called, they weren't even aware there
[32:59] was a village of Seavoy. So, um, so, um,
I wanted to at least let the board
[33:09] decide whether or not even want an
agreement. I would say that if we decide
[33:14] not to get an agreement with them that
we need to have a procedure in place or
[33:19] pass an ordinance so that we can collect
those uh scooters when they're left
[33:25] abandoned like we see them so often. Um
so that that we can collect fines on
[33:32] those and and we have some power to do
something about it. So, but I'll turn
[33:36] this over to Andy for now and and uh but
uh my intention to let the board decide
[33:42] what you guys want to do.
>> Thank you, Mr. President. As you noted,
[33:46] um we've seen a dockless bike share um
in the community for years and also as
[33:52] you noted um we had to provide a um map
lesson to to Voride specifically because
[33:58] they didn't even recognize Seavo as an
individual community. So what's been
[34:01] happening for years is that riders um
ride in the city of Champagne, the city
[34:06] of Urbana, and the University of
Illinois, and they clearly ride to
[34:09] Seavoy where they're even they're coming
to shop, they're coming um home, or
[34:14] they're coming to visit friends. And so
what we recognize is that we needed a
[34:18] form for format to regulate these bikes.
Uh currently we have no avenue to ensure
[34:23] that if bikes are being used improperly,
if they're being parked illegally, uh we
[34:29] really have no way to to regulate that,
but also no way to recoup the costs of
[34:34] the village doing the work to address
that problem. And so uh this uh addition
[34:39] to village code ultimately provides a
regulatory format for us to follow. It's
[34:44] virtually identical as what the city of
Champagne and Urbana have as well as the
[34:48] U ofi. It allows us to uh ensure that uh
we address the issues that I think have
[34:54] been presented to you this evening. Um
we receive data related to writership um
[35:01] and then we are able to recoup the costs
associated with the work that we may
[35:05] have to do to address issues that are
faced uh in the future. And um you know
[35:11] the reality here is that um many of
these bikes are used for entertainment
[35:16] but also many of them are used for
transportation and we know that people
[35:20] are using them to go to work from either
Seavoi to uh Champagne or Urbana or from
[35:26] Champagne and Urbana to Seavoi. And so
there's value in them. Uh we need to be
[35:32] able to regulate them and ensure that
they're used safely uh and address
[35:36] problems. and and this um this addition
to V Village village code ultimately
[35:40] does that.
[35:44] » Okay, I'm going to Heather I see your
hand up first or
[35:49] » Well, thank you. I I have some questions
and we did hear some comments and
[35:54] concerns of someone who has had
experience with them. I do know that we
[35:59] have a lot of pedestrians in Seavoi all
times of day and night. They use the
[36:06] walking paths and I do have the concern
that
[36:11] the scooters or the bikes are so silent
and they can go very quickly but people
[36:17] are on them whether we have an agreement
with
[36:21] uh these bikes or not. They are part of
how everything is shifting. I think
[36:28] knowing that I will say the bikes from
campus th those bigger bikes are very
[36:34] heavy. you can hardly move them. I've
tried to move some off the path when
[36:38] people have left them there. Um, so
addressing getting them picked up and
[36:44] response time and those things might be
something we need to look at and if
[36:50] there's some recourse if they don't get
picked up in a certain amount of time.
[36:55] And also then I think looking at where
they can be ridden on something that a
[37:00] pedestrian might be on and where they we
could ask people to dismount or ride in
[37:07] the street instead. Some rules I think
and whether we can legally make those
[37:13] rules um are things we should consider.
>> I just wanted to add uh something while
[37:21] I'm thinking about it. uh scooters of
that nature are not allowed in the
[37:26] village in the corporate limit. So the
village unless the village passes
[37:30] ordinance to allow number one geo um
boide
[37:36] should have the ability to put a geoence
on their scooters.
[37:41] » Okay.
>> Not so there won't operate within the
[37:44] village if we choose to go that route.
>> Okay.
[37:47] » They haven't chosen to do that up to
this point but we were in discussions
[37:50] with them
>> bicycles. there.
[37:52] » Uh anyway, I'll let uh Larry
>> Okay, bear with me.
[37:57] » I may get a little granular on this. Um
a couple years ago, I had in front of my
[38:04] place of business, I had a VO bike for
three weeks. The village couldn't get it
[38:09] moved. It was sitting out there. Um
I woke up, you know, it was a really
[38:17] foggy day today.
We all woke up to this foggy day and I
[38:22] was going down Curtis Road at 45. That's
because I was going the speed limit
[38:31] and all of a sudden out of the fog comes
is this this bike in the middle of the
[38:37] bike path
and that that could be very very
[38:42] dangerous. It was just sitting there and
I have a picture of it. Um, I circle
[38:47] back in order to get a picture of it.
Um, so that's kind of where I'm, you
[38:52] know, I I'm I'm looking at this through
I don't know if you call it rosecolored
[38:57] glasses, but I've kind of gone through
some of this. Um, I I do this is a great
[39:03] framework. I think I do like the idea of
having the bikes in the village. Um but
[39:10] there's a few things that at and bear
with me.
[39:16] Um
um so on e data sharing and
[39:21] accountability
um
[39:25] um let's see
I'm sorry I'm sorry um hold on a second.
[39:34] Um, it would be nice to know, you know,
we talked about Champagne and Urbana
[39:39] have these agreements, so it's similar
to their agreements. I would assume that
[39:44] we could get their track record on the
reports and solving reports of bikes
[39:49] that are um abandoned like how long does
it take? Is it 10 hours, 30 hours? In in
[39:56] fact, what is it really uh what is the
actual track record? Because like I say,
[40:02] I I saw this three weeks and now if you
go on Curtis, well, let me ask, is there
[40:07] a VO representative here tonight?
>> There is not. Not to my knowledge.
[40:12] Unless Nick's moonlighting, I'd say no.
>> And why not? I mean, I'm sorry, but
[40:19] Okay. So, um, is that going to be on
Curtis Road for three weeks in the bike
[40:26] path? Um,
let's see. Um
[40:32] then just going down the list here. Um
there's equity access considerations.
[40:38] I'm just cons I mean that's we're
talking about reduced cost memberships.
[40:44] I'd want to know kind of what that what
that means. Um and you know who's who's
[40:50] that available to. Um
so in two
[40:56] where it says potential board of
trustees actions um some of the
[41:02] additional information would be some of
the data from champagne. Um
[41:07] what are some of the fine amounts?
You know I think later it says there's a
[41:13] $100
uh maximum. Um
[41:19] and then in in some of the details of
that um let's see
[41:26] uh
it says that they have to replenish the
[41:30] deposit. There's a $1,000 deposit. Um
that could be I don't know if that could
[41:36] be a year before they replenish it. It
it's not clear. I would say we'd have to
[41:42] put in like it would have to be
replenished in 20 days or something like
[41:45] that. Um and
um
[41:52] uh let's see
going farther
[41:58] and uh each bike company on chapter
54080
[42:04] um D
remove any and I appreciate that that
[42:10] they would need to remove any improperly
dockless spikes within 3 hours of
[42:15] notification.
Um, how is that notification? What's the
[42:20] the the actual way of notifying? Um, and
how is that documented so that we know
[42:28] with that it's within 3 hours. Um,
but I like that that in there. I think
[42:34] that would help us. Maybe you know they
are very technologically savvy. Maybe
[42:40] within the app um they could there could
be something saying that that uh I mean
[42:47] they they could be notified and
assuming they have an employee that they
[42:54] could remove it within 3 hours. Um let's
see.
[42:59] Um,
[43:03] and
the other thing is, um, if we have to
[43:09] remove those bikes, I would like to
think that we would get reimbursed for
[43:13] public works this time to remove those
bikes. And I think that could be in
[43:16] there.
>> I believe that is. Is it?
[43:19] » I believe that is in there. And then
that's how we would then take their
[43:22] deposit and then they would have to
replenish that deposit. So, the deposit
[43:26] is intended to allow us to recoup costs
associated with those types of things
[43:33] that you just mentioned.
>> Okay. Um
[43:37] um and then
um
[43:41] take Okay. uh prior to the on B page
nine
[43:47] prior to the imposition of any fine on a
bike company suspending a bike company's
[43:51] license for a spec for specific period
or revoking the license of village shall
[43:57] provide written notice of violation that
gets a little cumbersome for us
[44:03] for that written notification. Um,
if you're talking fine, that's different
[44:10] than suspending a license.
So, I don't know if we can if we can
[44:15] fine them without going through the long
process of written notification.
[44:21] » I think the answer there is yes.
>> Okay. And that's what I, you know, other
[44:25] than that other than that we're great.
But I
[44:28] » other than that, Lincoln, how was the
play? Right. Yeah.
[44:31] » Right.
But that but everything in my mind in
[44:36] summary is like I'd like to see more
stat some statistics define the process
[44:40] a little bit better and I'm looking at
it most important from what I see on
[44:47] Curtis Road and and I would I'm just
going to say everyone here check it out
[44:53] in about a week
or two or three maybe the bike's going
[44:58] to be there still. Well, and I think to
your point, I mean, as it stands now, we
[45:02] have no ability to enforce, right? And
so, no, and the president mentioned,
[45:08] right, if if you so choose to not pursue
this, we can um work with VO and any
[45:13] other company that comes into the
community and geoence the village of
[45:16] Seavoy off. That is my expectation is
something they'd be able to do. Um, but
[45:22] without a framework to address these
issues, you're right, that bike could
[45:28] potentially be on Curtis Road um,
indefinitely.
[45:32] » To reiterate, I like that frame
framework with a few.
[45:36] » Understood.
>> Yeah, I think the framework is useful.
[45:39] And just to let people know, people are
using those bikes. Um, it's not uncommon
[45:44] for me to see that. Uh so we're they're
already using the bikes and we don't
[45:50] have the the structure to be able to um
impose the fine or whatever. Uh one that
[45:58] I called in was gone in two days. So I
haven't experienced the same
[46:02] frustrations maybe other people have.
Wasn't three hours but it was not. Um
[46:08] and some of them are very heavy if you
try to move them which I'm I'm wondering
[46:13] if we enter in this and It would be a
very useful thing. There might be some
[46:18] tool that public works could purchase to
help reduce the strain on themselves if
[46:25] they have to move those bikes. That's
something to look at too, just to help
[46:30] our public works if in case of times
they might need to intercede.
[46:36] The reality is we're very close to
Champagne and Urbana and campus and um
[46:43] many of the people I know and have
experience with are employed in those
[46:48] places and they would use those bikes.
[46:55] » I
[46:58] couple thoughts piggybacking on what
Trusty Mang just said. It is my
[47:03] understanding based on what you did say
is that we don't have to have an
[47:07] agreement for any random person to call
the number on the bike to have it
[47:11] removed. That's part one. Part two, it
sounds like there are varying degrees of
[47:16] how quickly they remove those bikes.
Part three. I know that the village, at
[47:23] least staff way back when this began,
would periodically have a cluster of
[47:29] those bikes back in public works. And at
some point, the company would come find
[47:36] out they've got a cluster of bikes.
Where are they? We'd like to retrieve
[47:40] them. So, they have a way of tracking
them. I'm not sure if the battery runs
[47:43] down, if they can't track them, but I
know there's a way of tracking them.
[47:47] My only concern would be if we have an
agreement, how enforcable is it and how
[47:54] do does the company react to that
enforcement per se in writing and say,
[48:00] you know, Aquatch obviously or champagne
and campus have these agreements already
[48:05] and there are issues. So I am not
I'm I would say I'm sure that ha just
[48:12] having an agreement isn't going to fix
some of the bad you know players that we
[48:17] have around the build of suboid and
champana campus area. So those are my
[48:23] only thoughts. There are a lot of them.
Um, but those have been my thoughts
[48:27] since basically day one knowing that the
village didn't have an agreement and the
[48:31] other communities did and also that they
are struggling with those enforcement
[48:37] pieces of those agreements.
I do want to add or thought about it,
[48:43] but uh Christopher and I uh called the
company
[48:48] uh probably a year before Andy got here
and we were given a contact and an email
[48:54] to report um bikes that we saw to have
them removed. And we were assured at
[49:01] that time that they would be removed
within 24 hours. And
[49:07] it happened for a little while, but as
we all know that we can see the bikes
[49:13] sitting the same spot for days at a
time. Um, and it's really happened even
[49:19] before there was scooters when it was
bikes on campus. You'd see the bikes
[49:23] just left wherever the people decided to
leave. So, um, anyway, I wanted to add
[49:29] that, Bill. in the I I know in the the
proposed ordinance uh that there is an
[49:37] opportunity to establish you know the
geo fencing
[49:42] uh does that include I was not exactly
sure and maybe it needs to go it's part
[49:46] of the agreement uh where they can park
because I know certain of these you know
[49:54] I've used these services all over the
country um and there have been some
[49:59] places you go like when you go to step
off your scooter. If you're not in a
[50:03] geoenced area that says you can leave it
here as the rider, you get charged like
[50:09] 15 20 bucks. Are they doing that? Would
they or would they be willing to do that
[50:13] in Seavoy that says these are our
parking areas? And if you don't leave
[50:17] it, park it in a parking area,
it's an opportunity for for the company
[50:23] to get revenue from the rider because
we're then going to go out and pick it
[50:28] up and we're going to charge them 100
bucks, right? So, they're going to want
[50:31] to to know that there's enough I I I
want to make sure that that framework
[50:35] for geo fencing approved parking
locations so that they're not sitting an
[50:41] approved parking location is this is not
going to be an approved parking
[50:44] location. This will be geoenced for
operation. It's kind of funny. I was I
[50:48] actually just opened the VO app and um
their geoence of of where they're
[50:52] allowed includes all of Seavoy. Uh kind
of gets really weird around the golf
[50:58] course. They've got some things
geopenced off mostly the driving range,
[51:02] but it's it's a bit odd and it stops at
the interstate on the on the uh west
[51:06] side and you know east side. It's it's
it's pretty jagged and goes different
[51:10] places. But the entirety of Seavoy is
geofenced in for operation.
[51:16] But can we I know many of the services
allow geofencing appropriate pickup and
[51:22] drop off. And if we could do that and
say, you know, we're going to have an
[51:28] area at Walmart and an area at the
various stores area in front of the
[51:32] certain, you know, some of the the
apartment buildings or or key places,
[51:37] and this is where you park them. And
then when you're done, you need to go to
[51:41] one of those parking locations. And and
I know that it's enforcable. When I was
[51:45] in Tahoe, California, my wife and I had
scooters. We had a blast riding around
[51:49] Tahoe and and the scooters. But I went
to I I was like four feet away from the
[51:55] painted area on the sidewalk where it
said you could leave it. And it told me
[51:59] if you don't move this over, I'm
charging you. I can't remember how much
[52:02] it was, but it's it's real money that
that they're getting from the riders
[52:06] because those municipalities enforce.
They will send somebody out if you're
[52:11] not parked in the appropriate area, they
send somebody out from the city and then
[52:14] those companies are going to get
charged. Um, you know, we had a we had
[52:17] public comment tonight from somebody who
was cautioning us, right, based on, you
[52:22] know, experience in Champagne. Quite
frankly, it's no different than the
[52:25] experience we've got in Subway. Uh but
but at the end of the day, the
[52:29] enforcement of this ordinance is
entirely going to be up to what we if if
[52:36] we pass this ordinance and then don't do
anything about either going and
[52:39] collecting them, moving them, what have
you, and charging them $100 every time
[52:44] we do it, they will continue to do what
they've always done. But if it starts to
[52:48] cost them, and I do, you know, Larry
mentioned, uh, we do need payment terms
[52:54] on the replenishment, you know, but
we're going to give you notice and, you
[52:58] know, net 15, you got to have the, you
know, money back in our bank account and
[53:03] and these things are, you know, should
be non-negotiable, but it I think
[53:07] there's an opportunity to
set an enforcement standard. Maybe
[53:11] that's different than what the
university is doing and that will change
[53:15] how VO operates within the village
limits and and I you know it's up to us
[53:20] to either make that happen or if we
don't make it happen if we don't send
[53:24] people out to go pick them up because
they haven't been picked up in three
[53:27] hours and it's during peak hours they're
they'll continue to do what they've
[53:33] always done unless we do something to
change their behavior. I do agree
[53:37] putting this in place. I think without a
framework, the only thing we've got to
[53:42] do is is to go pick them up and store
them in the back 40 and then they get
[53:46] mad when they got to go collect them
all. But we really don't have a
[53:50] mechanism to to find them or or have I I
would rather have an ordinance in place
[53:55] where we control it. But I would like to
see specific geo fencing of appropriate
[54:00] parking locations to be written into
those agreements. I mean, I'm seeing
[54:05] that the language kind of might be there
under the authority of the community
[54:09] kind of development,
but might that might need to be
[54:13] strengthened a little bit for
geopencing.
[54:15] » One of the challenges, if I may, to
that, and I agree, in the city of
[54:18] Champagne actually, as well as the UVI
and Urbana designated specific drop off
[54:23] points, but their urban makeup allows
them to do that much easier than we do.
[54:29] Uh, and so, you know, for us, of course,
we couldn't force a um, drop off point
[54:34] to be on Walmart's property because it's
Walmart's property. And so, really the
[54:38] only, you know, I guess obvious
locations would be Village Hall, the rec
[54:43] center, and, you know, potentially the
fire department, public places, because
[54:47] we don't have a infrastructure like
those urban type areas. Now, it's not
[54:51] saying we can't figure out something. Um
but that will be a challenge to kind of
[54:56] accomplish what you just noted is um our
makeup is different. We're suburban,
[55:00] right? I mean, and so it makes it
difficult to find common spaces to um
[55:06] either force drop off or force gathering
for the bike companies. I just want to
[55:09] offer that as um just a consideration.
[55:16] I've never really
[56:16] They know where it ends up. They don't
know uh what p They know what path it
[56:21] will take. They don't know where it's
going to go. they know where it
[56:23] ultimately goes, if that makes sense.
So, they don't have to put in, the rider
[56:27] doesn't have to put in, I'm going to 123
Main Street. They just go to 123 Main
[56:32] Street, and the bike company can track
that route and know where the bike
[56:35] ultimately ends up. But, um, and so, to
your point, yes, the the bike share
[56:41] company knows the person that rented the
bike or at least their payment
[56:45] information as it relates to the ability
to find that individual. I guess I would
[56:50] yield the council on this one. My guess
is is they're not going to give us the
[56:54] information. Um it's the the bike
companies aren't going to provide that.
[56:58] And then the logistics of the village
finding would probably be very
[57:02] challenging.
[57:07] » Yeah.
>> Yeah. We can clarify those fines for
[57:10] sure.
>> Yeah. We'd be better off to put any fine
[57:13] on the company itself and let them worry
about collecting that back from their
[57:18] writer. Uh that would be our best bet.
We don't want to end up buying having a
[57:23] bunch of people that decide they're
never going to pay us. And at least with
[57:27] the company, we have a little hook. So
anyway,
[57:32] » yeah, they are a tech company. I mean,
I'm almost thinking primarily a tech
[57:36] company because that's what enabled this
whole industry to go. Um, so I think
[57:42] they can ge geoence.
I'm sure not very difficult. make a
[57:48] geoence um probably on a pretty
particular, you know, like if there's a
[57:55] widening of the sidewalk or corner, you
know, it wouldn't have to be where they
[58:00] park and that could be worked out.
Wouldn't have to be in just those four
[58:04] locations. Um but definitely not on
someone's lawn or, you know, not in the
[58:11] street, you know, or a bike path and you
know that. And um then they also I'm
[58:17] sure they can also um they also know
where that bike is so that it wouldn't
[58:23] be the onus wouldn't be on one of
somebody calling them up because that
[58:30] that is a you know that is ridiculous to
have people have to call the company and
[58:35] complain.
You know what I mean? It's they should
[58:39] have statistics and I mean they should
have um reporting on where their bikes
[58:45] are and then they you know it'd be nice
to to see
[58:50] you know if they've violated anything.
Um so anyway I just think as a tech
[58:54] company they can do a lot of this stuff.
um and if they if they were licensed I
[58:59] mean again I'd like to see a company
um be able to work in Seavoy but you
[59:07] know I I think if we need to license
them and I I agree with that
[59:14] just as a uh I I pulled up my vehicle
app and and looked to see what they they
[59:18] didn't know my name they know my cell
phone number and they know my credit
[59:22] card and that's really all they cared
about right they asked me what my the
[59:26] name field in uh and any other
identifiable information in my account
[59:30] is blank because I only gave them the
minimum to turn on the bike to drive and
[59:35] that was a cell phone number and a
credit card.
[59:38] Uh so getting back to individual
personally identifiable information,
[59:43] first of all, I'm not sure the village
wants to get anywhere near that. That's
[59:46] that's all kinds of problems. Uh but it
may not even be available.
[59:53] I'll also mention I'm not I know in the
infancy stages the companies didn't have
[59:59] actual representatives. They contracted
someone to pick up the bikes which is
[1:00:04] why some of the timing varies with
respect to how quickly they do pick them
[1:00:09] up. don't know how much that has changed
and I I would be hardressed to think
[1:00:14] that VO Mike or whomever the tech
company is has staff in Champagne or any
[1:00:21] community at that
servicing their pickups. They contract
[1:00:26] someone which is you know why they have
that number. Hey, you need to go pick up
[1:00:30] this bike this place at you know level.
[1:00:36] » Any other questions or not?
Um,
[1:00:42] Judging from the questions, I'm guessing
the board is not ready for a final
[1:00:48] addition. So,
[1:00:53] some changes first.
>> Could we invite a representative to come
[1:00:57] and answer questions the next time?
>> That might give us the information that
[1:01:04] we would like.
>> So, If it's okay with the board, we'll
[1:01:11] table this for now and make some
adjustments based on comments and when
[1:01:16] we feel like it's ready to come back
session. Everybody happy with that? Um,
[1:01:26] what's the I do want to ask what's the
board's feeling on like you said the
[1:01:32] village has never authorized or pass
allow
[1:01:40] Are we good at keeping this status quo
or do we like contact the
[1:01:47] representatives
[1:01:51] to be operating
within the village
[1:01:58] I prefer to allow them to operate for
the status quo and I think we should act
[1:02:03] the pace to get this agreement in place
because there there's a number of that
[1:02:07] use this service.
They pick up a lot of the bikes in the
[1:02:11] winter time, so they're not using it.
They're about to all come out storage.
[1:02:14] If Larry's Larry's got a picture of one
this morning, I mean, I haven't seen
[1:02:18] many of them out yet since, you know,
the ball has happened, but we're going
[1:02:22] to start seeing them. I just think it
behooves us to to get some updates made
[1:02:27] to this and try and get it, you know, in
place by April rather than blocking out
[1:02:32] some way. It's it's too valuable for the
residents. I wanted to check make sure
[1:02:37] everybody's happy with that. Um
>> I agree with Bill.
[1:02:41] » Okay. Um and I did I happen to see one.
I can't remember where I saw it today,
[1:02:45] but it wasn't on Curtis Road. So, no.
All right. So, we'll go ahead and um
[1:02:53] pull this from next week's agenda and
make some modifications to it based on
[1:02:57] the input. And when uh staff is ready to
present it again, we'll bring it back in
[1:03:02] front of the board. All right. Okay.
We'll move on to study session item 20
[1:03:09] 202612,
a resolution approving an agreement with
[1:03:13] the Illinois Central Railroad for
preliminary engineering review services.
[1:03:18] And I'm sure this will be turned over to
Roland.
[1:03:21] » Yes, thank you. Um, Canadian National
Railroad requires local agencies to pay
[1:03:26] for third party review of plans
submitted. This is something they do up
[1:03:30] and down the line. And I mean they have
dozens if not hundreds of projects
[1:03:35] across their system and you know their
view is we wouldn't have this cost if if
[1:03:41] you weren't doing your project. So they
request uh the uh agency uh reimburse
[1:03:49] them for this cost and it's generally a
flat fee of about $25,000. And um if we
[1:03:58] want timely review from them as we move
forward and keep the project on track,
[1:04:02] uh we need to um our recommendation
would be to go ahead and approve this
[1:04:07] agreement.
And so I'll take any questions you might
[1:04:11] have that
>> Roland. Does are they doing this in
[1:04:14] house or are they using another another
A&E firm? Well, um they started off
[1:04:20] telling us they could review it in house
and the reviews uh were pretty slow and
[1:04:25] over the first year it probably cost us
a couple two or three months. Um and
[1:04:29] they've you know we told them that hey
this is we're down to last year here we
[1:04:35] need to get your views and they said
well if you want that then we need to go
[1:04:38] to this more traditional route to get
you timely interviews. Yeah, that for
[1:04:44] for my fellow trustees, I've worked with
the railroads back starting back in the
[1:04:49] 90s on on projects. They're notoriously
slow. Um I do know talking with Roland
[1:04:54] that when we got this project started,
they were the cause of some of the
[1:04:58] delays that we've had in trying to keep
things going. And anything we can do to
[1:05:02] move the railroad along a little faster,
even though it means spending a little
[1:05:06] money, I do think is well worth our
investment. It will it will pay for
[1:05:10] itself in time reduction.
I agree. We're at the point where time
[1:05:15] is of the essence and we need to move in
a timely fashion. Even a little bit
[1:05:21] spent now is going to be a huge savings
when the grant monies are still there.
[1:05:27] There's a certain period of time of
funding and we need to do everything to
[1:05:33] propel the timeline.
question
[1:05:39] » with respect to the agreement. Does it
guarantee speed or does it guarantee
[1:05:46] little back if that
>> the railroad won't give those kind of
[1:05:51] guarantees but I've talked to our our
colleagues in Springfield that have you
[1:05:56] know done probably half a dozen of
projects of this size and they said this
[1:06:02] is the only way to go really if you want
to get them to to do it in a timely
[1:06:07] fashion.
[1:06:12] question.
Okay. Uh it's okay with board members.
[1:06:16] Should we include this on the consent
agenda?
[1:06:21] » This item on the consent agenda.
We'll move on to s study session item
[1:06:26] 202613
resolution authorizing the installation
[1:06:29] of a hallway stop the intersection of
South Pros
[1:06:35] and Grand Drive.
[1:06:39] I'm going to take a a minute or so here
and uh bring up a a something on the
[1:06:46] screen. It's very similar to what you
have in your packet. Just thought it
[1:06:49] would be useful to to have it. Um what
we're doing here is as you noticed
[1:06:55] earlier at the at the result of a
community request looking at uh in my
[1:06:59] view correcting a situation where we
have very odd stop sign configuration
[1:07:03] with two out of three legs of the uh
intersection of of Graham and South
[1:07:08] Prospect uh stop controlled and a third
one free flowing. And uh it's it's at
[1:07:15] this kind of intersection it's very rare
to see that kind of configuration. It's
[1:07:19] the only place that I could think of
where you see that is large commercial
[1:07:22] entrances where you have one free
flowing, the other's stop. Um, as usual,
[1:07:29] uh, we look at, uh, the MUTCD warrants
for stop signs. Uh, and, um, the the
[1:07:37] initial warrants, traffic volume, safety
issues,
[1:07:41] aka crash records, and, uh, interim
measure when you're going to put traffic
[1:07:47] signal in. those those don't really fit
here. Um but they have what's called
[1:07:52] these uh warranty e uh other factors and
um some some people refer to those as
[1:07:58] common sense warrants. Uh they were
adopted by the MUTCD to give local
[1:08:02] communities some flexibility
uh because they can't imagine every
[1:08:07] situation like like this. They couldn't
have thought of that this would exist.
[1:08:11] Um these warrant e criteria are um they
they described them as left turning
[1:08:17] conflicts u u intersection of two
through collector streets residential
[1:08:22] collector streets and an intersection
where uh pedestrian and bicycle uh
[1:08:27] movements support the installation of an
allway stop.
[1:08:32] Um
this is a diagram you have in your in
[1:08:37] your packet. Um and I would mention that
the let me go back to the initial um we
[1:08:45] don't have at this point an official
adopted map street classification map
[1:08:50] says these are collectors these are
minor collectors these are arterials ID
[1:08:54] has some maps on uh arterial
classifications we have some studies
[1:08:59] that have shown some thinking on what
collector streets are one of the
[1:09:04] criteria that you use when you u look at
a collector street is does it connect to
[1:09:08] an arterial street? And another is does
it, you know, do you have through
[1:09:13] traffic from one Archerial Street to
another? And I would argue that with the
[1:09:18] combined couple of uh Prospect and
Graham both connecting to Route 45 and
[1:09:24] Church Street, you do have that free
flow of traffic through here that looks
[1:09:28] like a looks like a collector. But
that's really um kind of a judgment. Um,
[1:09:34] so let me go to the intersection and
look at some of the conflicts we
[1:09:38] currently have. And one of the concerns
here is if you go there all the time,
[1:09:43] maybe you're used to it, but we do have
visitors at the rec center and people
[1:09:46] who come through town that have not been
here before and um they, you know, they
[1:09:52] come up to the the stop uh stop at a
stop sign and they they might assume
[1:09:56] that the other the northbound prospect
is going to stop. So that's that's one
[1:10:01] conflict, a vehicle conflict and Um the
other one is the uh the the rupal path
[1:10:10] terminates at that intersection and so
we do have bicycles and pedestrians
[1:10:14] coming from from that um that direction.
And then there is a sidewalk uh crossing
[1:10:20] as well. And um when when you come up to
an intersection when you stop you have a
[1:10:26] little more time to evaluate is there a
pedestrian to my right about ready to
[1:10:30] step out. Whereas if you're just coming
through and you're going to sort of zoom
[1:10:35] through and turn right and you're maybe
looking at is there a car coming at me,
[1:10:39] you might, you know, not notice the
pedestrian to your right. You're also
[1:10:43] going to be going slower if you're at if
you come to a stop and we know that
[1:10:48] pedestrian car crashes, but the the
injury rate is much lower if the speed
[1:10:55] is more. So, I I understand that the uh
you know, the left turning conflicts,
[1:11:01] and I'll be honest with you, what what
they're typically talking about there is
[1:11:05] an intersection, a four-legged
intersection where you have two oncoming
[1:11:09] cars both turning left at the same time.
That's what the turning conflict really
[1:11:14] applies to. But we do have somewhat of a
left turning conflict in that we have
[1:11:18] left turning vehicles from westbound
Graham that might assume that the
[1:11:24] through traffic on Prospect is going to
going to stop. The the number one
[1:11:29] warrant that uh convinced me that it it
made sense to recommend a stop sign
[1:11:36] though was the bicycle and pedestrian
traffic. Um I think it would be um
[1:11:42] safer. Um, you know, it's almost one of
those things like don't have any stop
[1:11:46] signs at all or put three of them in,
you know, and I think if we remove even
[1:11:50] one of the other two, we might have more
of a outcry than than what we're
[1:11:55] currently hearing. So, our
recommendation is is to go ahead and put
[1:11:59] the stop sign and we feel that it meets
the warrant, particularly the bikeet
[1:12:03] movement, support the installation of an
all hallway stop. So, I'll stop there
[1:12:08] and uh I know there's some different uh
thoughts on this and um entertain any
[1:12:13] questions.
>> Uh I'm there quite frequently both um in
[1:12:19] an automobile
ride riding my bike or as a pedestrian
[1:12:24] and that's a busy area right there. Um
the recreation center can have lots of
[1:12:32] people coming and leaving all at the
same times. I will say I support it's
[1:12:38] sort of a no-brainer in the common sense
area to have an allway stop. Um it
[1:12:44] increases safety and gives time for a
person to perceive a bicycle coming
[1:12:49] through or a pedestrian. And um
and we also need to be aware that
[1:12:56] sometimes there's a heavy amount of
people leaving and though they can leave
[1:13:02] two different ways,
they could be leaving this way, too. So
[1:13:08] I I think it's a no-brainer that the
common sense thing to do isn't always
[1:13:12] stop.
[1:13:18] This is u I know I've spoken many times
on on stop policy. Uh right before I
[1:13:25] joined this board, like a couple months
before I joined this board, the the
[1:13:29] village board decided to put in a number
of stop signs that meant no warrants at
[1:13:34] all. Uh Roland was not the engineer. The
engineer at the time didn't bring
[1:13:38] warrants forward to the board uh for
consideration. I will say that I'm
[1:13:43] conflicted on this one. Uh Roland is
absolutely correct that there is nobody
[1:13:47] in their right mind would set this
situation up from the beginning this
[1:13:52] way. Uh there you know when when it was
established when the very first stop
[1:13:56] sign was put in all of them should have
been put in. So Roland is 100% correct
[1:14:00] there. Uh Roland's also correct in in
how he laid out the you know section E
[1:14:07] warrants. Uh I did have an email
exchange with him and and challenged uh
[1:14:12] some of those.
The government in this case when they
[1:14:17] put the manual together created this
section purposefully vague so that there
[1:14:24] aren't numbers, there aren't right.
There's very squishy language and it
[1:14:29] bothers me as an engineer that there's
very squishy language and the government
[1:14:33] does that so that
so that an engineer in a village our
[1:14:38] size can have a weird situation and say
yes this meets the warrants and we're
[1:14:43] doing the right thing in the engineering
and you can feel good about doing it
[1:14:48] without what I have previously called in
in in past political stop signs meaning
[1:14:52] that they don't meet an engineering
criteria they only meet the requirements
[1:14:56] of the body politic us uh and we say we
should do this because it's a political
[1:15:03] decision to put in a political stop sign
and we have many of those four or five
[1:15:08] that I can think of off the top of my
head in the village that don't meet any
[1:15:10] warrants and they're there. So this is
not a hill I'm willing to die on. This
[1:15:16] is I know on the in the last time we had
stop signs uh I supported one and not
[1:15:21] the other. The time before that I was
pretty against them. I think I've lost
[1:15:26] every time. Um
it that part doesn't matter. I don't
[1:15:30] really care about that. I I just want
the board to remember that as we're
[1:15:35] looking at these things, there are real
reasons that we should put stop signs.
[1:15:38] They are not traffic calming. I I winced
a little bit. We had public comment
[1:15:44] today where
uh the reason for the stop sign was to
[1:15:49] calm the traffic down. The engineer in
me says that's exactly why you don't do
[1:15:54] it. You never use a stop sign, a traffic
control device to calm traffic because
[1:16:00] it goes against human nature. It's the
wrong thing to do and you'll get the
[1:16:04] wrong driver behavior. At the same time,
in this situation,
[1:16:09] however, it got to have two stops and
and not three. It's kind of crazy to me.
[1:16:15] So,
what I'm going to say is that I I would
[1:16:19] I'm gonna continue my caution about
where to put stop signs in the village
[1:16:23] and we should not be putting stop signs
where it's because the body politic
[1:16:27] wants to do that. I'm calling those
political stop signs. U we should do it
[1:16:32] where there's an engineering reason.
Roland has given us an an adequate
[1:16:36] engineering reason. Did I challenge him
on all of the warrant criteria? Yes, I
[1:16:40] did in an email back and forth. uh and
he had very good explanations and and
[1:16:45] reasons why he feels that it meets the
warrants and and it certainly uh you
[1:16:50] know I I can say no from this chair if I
want to because not as my role as a as a
[1:16:55] licensed engineer but in my role as a as
a a trustee but again this is not a hill
[1:17:00] I'm willing to die on. I think it's a
pretty small issue and I'll go with
[1:17:05] whatever the uh the feeling board is.
[1:17:12] Yeah,
I am not a engineer
[1:17:19] looking at it as
>> nice pictures.
[1:17:23] » I'm aware everyone's surrounded.
Um, as Heather might say, common sense.
[1:17:29] So, we've been here before in my mind
when we low we we had an issue with a
[1:17:37] school and people were speeding.
So, instead of addressing the speeding,
[1:17:44] we took all the streets in the village
and lowered the speeding limit speed
[1:17:50] and we still got a complaint. We still
get complaints about speeding from the
[1:17:54] school. So, I like to look at what the
problem is.
[1:17:59] Um, and so with that in mind,
um, I'm wondering, you know, politically
[1:18:06] we've had a couple of complaints. I
don't know what quantity of complaints
[1:18:10] we've had about that. I don't know how
many accidents there have been there. We
[1:18:14] don't really have data on that, if any.
Um
[1:18:21] um I look at it that you have a very
short section and you pull out of the
[1:18:29] parking lot.
You're not going 40.
[1:18:33] If you go south, I'm sorry. If you go
south out of the parking lot,
[1:18:39] um I don't know what the traffic count
is, but I know a lot of people come out
[1:18:43] of there. Um I don't know how many
people actually
[1:18:48] take Graham Drive.
And I mean, if I were going to the the
[1:18:52] rec center and I took Graham Drive, I'd
be turning in before Prospect,
[1:18:58] but you know, I know not everyone does
that. So, I would guess a lot of the
[1:19:02] traffic Graham goes south on Prospect.
Um, how much traffic goes north on
[1:19:09] Prospect? I don't know. I don't know.
you know, if people come to the rec
[1:19:13] center from Curtis, if we have a large
flow of people and they come come in
[1:19:18] across.
So, I'm looking at that. I'm thinking
[1:19:24] um
if you're on Graham Drive and some of
[1:19:28] the issue is uh the people on Graham
Drive and and the the word was
[1:19:36] they assume
they're assuming on Graham Drive.
[1:19:41] assuming that the people on Prospect are
stopping.
[1:19:45] And um
[1:19:49] I think what the problem is
is not that we need stop signs
[1:19:56] everywhere whenever there's a problem. I
think we, you know, there's a way to put
[1:20:03] on Graham Drive. It'd be very cross
traffic does not stop because that's
[1:20:09] kind of what the problem was described
to be that people assume I mean
[1:20:17] definitely very wrong to have two out of
the three stop signs. I mean that that's
[1:20:23] it is crazy. Um, I would say we need
just to have one sign that says cross
[1:20:30] traffic does not stop because the people
coming south are not going very fast.
[1:20:35] People coming north are driving in on
their regular street and the people
[1:20:40] going in on Graham know that cross
traffic does not stop. So that anyway
[1:20:45] that's that would be my
that would be my not to die on.
[1:20:52] So tonight
I am conscious of why President Brown
[1:20:58] gives me the side eye when he thinks I
want to say something because I've had
[1:21:02] comments about the vobikes and now I
have several comments about this and I
[1:21:05] too am not an engineer.
What I hear um trusty camper saying is
[1:21:12] with cross traffic doesn't stop are you
considering an idea that to remove the
[1:21:18] stop sign for southbound traffic out of
rec center?
[1:21:20] » Yes. Okay. and putting and putting one
on the uh the bike path that says um
[1:21:27] stop. I you know
>> Okay, thank you for saying that because
[1:21:31] in my head as I was looking at Rowan's
map um the stop sign there at the drive
[1:21:37] heading south towards Church Street um
makes sense to be there as it is now. I
[1:21:45] don't understand why there wasn't a stop
sign on northbound Prospect. However, I
[1:21:50] do know at some point the village had
ideas of connecting Prospect at Curtis
[1:21:57] Road to Prospect at Graham. So, that's
my first point. Second point, I do agree
[1:22:02] with the stop sign. If we are since
bikes are supposed to and the
[1:22:06] functioning, we're being supposed to
follow vehicle traffic, vehicle car
[1:22:11] traffic, they should need to stop just
where you um suggested putting a stop
[1:22:17] sign on the Rupal path. So that's um now
I'm going to be a wise guy because I
[1:22:22] live in Prairie Fields. I often take
Church Street to Prospect to get to the
[1:22:28] rec center. It's an easier path for me.
Even if I'm coming from Graham Drive
[1:22:35] West towards the rec center, I will
often pass the entrance because I don't
[1:22:39] have patience. I will be honest. I don't
have patience to come into the parking
[1:22:44] lot and then figure out that I can't
find a space close to Graham. I'm going
[1:22:50] to end up parking in the west end of the
parking lot anyway. So, it makes sense
[1:22:55] for me to go to that um entrance the
round to get to the parking lot from the
[1:23:01] west rather than from the east. Um, I
honestly won't be here next week to vote
[1:23:07] on this, but I am with I mean the smart
people in the room um to make that right
[1:23:13] decision with respect to where stop
signs or signs need to be. So um I am
[1:23:19] comfortable with that. Sure. Sure. I
mean, I um respect um the other engineer
[1:23:25] in the room, um Trusty Vabric, of
course, but certainly um we've got um
[1:23:31] great staff on board to assess the
situation. I would be interested to know
[1:23:35] if there I know I I know it there have
been accidents at that intersection
[1:23:41] since I've been involved with the
village of Seavoy. How many? I don't
[1:23:45] know. Fender Bender, I I'm not sure. And
it typically happens when we have an
[1:23:50] event at the rec center because there's
a lot of traffic with folks not really
[1:23:54] knowing, you know, the lay of the land.
But that's all I have to say.
[1:24:04] » The uh the road coming out of the rec
center, is that
[1:24:10] is that a a city street?
>> Yes.
[1:24:14] » Okay. So, it's not part of the rec
center block. I looked at the GIS and it
[1:24:19] is public right away. So it it in some
sense it acts like a street because it's
[1:24:23] in it's in rightway.
[1:24:29] I guess the reason I was asking was I
was thinking uh and and Nick may hate me
[1:24:36] for thinking this, but I was wondering
if we couldn't make the going into the
[1:24:42] rec center the going into the rec center
and the coming out from the rec center
[1:24:48] the exit that comes out and eliminate
that street as far as any motorized
[1:24:55] traffic on it.
Um
[1:25:00] I I don't know that I would recommend
that because the parking lot currently
[1:25:06] has two entrances and um just from
depending on which direction you're
[1:25:11] coming from, you know, it's nice to have
two entrances and from a emergency
[1:25:16] response standpoint, it's also good good
to have two ways in.
[1:25:20] » How about a roundabout?
[1:25:26] things.
>> I ask I asked Nick there, are you aware
[1:25:32] of um uh the traffic and the and
accidents at that corner?
[1:25:39] » I can only speak anecdotally from what I
have observed, but I've never spent time
[1:25:43] to really study that. Um but the people
that come in on Prospect drive a lot
[1:25:47] faster typically than the people coming
in on Graham. And so the people that
[1:25:51] come from down Prospect, they tend to
come into the parking lot a whole lot
[1:25:54] faster, too. And and and come in at that
speed. And you know, I go in that way
[1:25:58] every day and come out that way every
day. And every time someone doesn't stop
[1:26:01] going north on Prospect, it surprises
me. Even though every day I do that of
[1:26:06] the last four or five years, it does. It
surprises me every single time. Um so I
[1:26:11] haven't seen a ton of accidents. I've
seen a lot of near misses. Um those
[1:26:15] sorts of things. But do I think
something to control it better would be
[1:26:19] helpful? I do. Um I whether it's a stop
sign or not, I'm not sure. But um
[1:26:25] there's enough issues or close to issues
there that I think doing something about
[1:26:31] it would be would be beneficial.
[1:26:43] on this one. So,
does the board want me to include this
[1:26:47] on as a consent agenda or keep this
separate?
[1:26:51] » No, consent.
I don't know that we would get any
[1:26:55] farther if it was, but but I would like
to think that we could look at the
[1:27:00] possibility of putting
uh cross traffic does not stop
[1:27:07] on that. I I don't know where that would
fit in whether it's we would not have
[1:27:13] » is you can't say cross traffic doesn't
stop because one leg of the cross
[1:27:16] traffic does stop. Oh,
>> no. Get rid of the sign.
[1:27:19] » Get rid of the stop sign.
[1:27:28] be honest with you.
>> I was going to say I think we should put
[1:27:33] it in the cons agenda because we can
either by that time have a a little more
[1:27:38] knowledge in our own mind and an opinion
as to what the public thinks and either
[1:27:45] vote it up or no
>> and you can always I guess pull it out
[1:27:49] day but I mean What do you want, Larry?
You're the one that seems to be
[1:27:54] » Well,
>> although you are kind of iffy on
[1:27:56] » Yeah. No, I I I I still like the that
idea of the cross traffic, but um I'll
[1:28:02] go with with the consent agenda. I'm
fine with it.
[1:28:04] » Okay. Okay. So, we'll include it as a
consent agenda. Move on to our final
[1:28:10] study session item. Study session item
202614. Resolution approving a small
[1:28:15] businessing
incentive agreement with Kyle Sporner.
[1:28:22] Probably turn it over.
>> Yes,
[1:28:26] » that's to me. Thank you. Um,
as you likely know, um, Kyle's Corner
[1:28:34] has taken over the space that had been
formerly Industrial Donuts. Uh, he has
[1:28:40] created a restaurant that will be
opening this week.
[1:28:43] um officially and he has requested an
agreement with us for some advertising
[1:28:51] incentives. Um we are we've looked at
what he's requested. Um our only change
[1:28:59] was the timeline. We he was requesting
six months uh before we he would get
[1:29:05] reimbursed. We requested it uh we
changed that to being a year. uh he's
[1:29:10] requesting $5,000 and um from staff
perspective, this is the type of
[1:29:15] incentive that we want uh to to be able
to help a new business come in and start
[1:29:21] up. Uh it's reimbursement only. Um
receipts before reimbursement.
[1:29:28] We want to make sure that Seavoy is seen
as a a pro business community. So I
[1:29:32] believe this does that.
>> And in order to have to remain open for
[1:29:36] at least a year,
>> correct?
[1:29:39] I think this is great. I think the um
there are a lot of um uh cautions in
[1:29:46] there about when to collect and this and
that. Um but I think the biggest part of
[1:29:51] this in my mind is civily is pro
business and we're uh we like to help
[1:29:56] our small businesses and we encourage
small businesses. So it it solves a lot
[1:30:02] of issues and and so I think it's great
>> and I I think from the perspective of uh
[1:30:07] myself um and and staff we we want to be
open to this type of um request so that
[1:30:14] we can look at you know what what are
the needs of our businesses and I
[1:30:18] believe this helps address that. uh you
know we might not be able to you know
[1:30:23] buy them a new stove or you know pay for
a year of their rent but this would be
[1:30:28] something uh that would be helpful and
>> that we can do
[1:30:32] » it promotes the boy when when it's
advertising because I mean that's
[1:30:36] » correct
>> yeah and if you haven't seen Kyle is
[1:30:40] very good at promoting so
>> promotes
[1:30:45] » correct
Yeah.
[1:30:49] » Yes.
>> Any other questions?
[1:30:51] » Would I It would make sense and I'm I'm
guessing I did not I I saw the the uh
[1:31:00] parameters.
[1:31:06] » I missed one sentence. I'm good.
>> Okay. Super.
[1:31:09] » Any other question? I missed it.
I mean it's pretty good
[1:31:16] okay with consent agenda.
Okay. Well, we present on the consent
[1:31:20] agenda.
[1:31:25] Uh well,
one of our u board members or trustees
[1:31:32] from the police and fire or the
retirement fire retirement system has
[1:31:37] had to step down due to family issues.
Uh and they haven't been able to conduct
[1:31:42] business because the makeup of the board
we only have three people that qualify
[1:31:47] on quite we don't qualify because we
have no retired firefighters so we have
[1:31:54] no other full firefighters chief so um
in order for them to conduct business
[1:32:02] Andy Bray talked to Andy Bray many of
you know him lieutenant
[1:32:08] captain
>> captain
[1:32:10] » captain fire department lived in our
community for years for years he's
[1:32:15] interested
I'm going to bring
[1:32:20] from the board the appointment next
week. It would normally wait for the
[1:32:26] next one, but they've already had to
cancel
[1:32:30] meeting
[1:32:34] that. Anybody have any?
>> I don't I would like to see a CV.
[1:32:43] » Any other
will be part of the agenda if the
[1:32:48] interest
[1:32:53] and then the other thing I meant to
mention during our
[1:32:59] comments
[1:33:07] but it should enhance
our
[1:33:13] meetings and we'll also
[1:33:18] YouTube at the same time.
[1:33:26] » I believe just YouTube, but I'm not the
IT guy. Is that accurate, Bernie? Yeah,
[1:33:31] just YouTube. Yeah,
>> HD quality.
[1:33:34] » HD.
[1:33:38] » Oh my god.
[1:33:44] out of it.
>> And any other new business? So only
[1:33:48] YouTube, no Facebook or YouTube.
>> Mine's not new business.
[1:34:05] » Now that I know.
[1:34:10] » Okay.
Now that I know everybody can see
[1:34:28] » just
if you could put on the list of things
[1:34:34] and I do this we're gonna write a check
to the rail starting
[1:34:42] old church,
[1:34:52] they're getting dropped. watching people
especially at church
[1:34:58] and you're going fast
>> and you want to get across the tracks
[1:35:01] and you do
[1:35:07] » I don't know what the criteria
>> we might wait on the Curtis because
[1:35:10] we're going to rip it out
>> focus on church
[1:35:15] and I noticed airport the other day
actually the airport's
[1:35:21] actually
[1:35:24] I think it's got less traffic. Uh but a
church is
[1:35:28] » church could use some attention and
since that won't be part of the actual
[1:35:32] construction,
>> right?
[1:35:35] » Getting them out to that red
>> and I think there folks locally do some
[1:35:42] of that work. So
>> yeah,
[1:35:44] » I can check I can we can check.
>> Thank you.
[1:35:50] That's it.
>> I didn't realize we were going to be
[1:35:52] televis or posting this later on. No
wonder Wendy's been telling me to use
[1:35:57] the mic and I since it wasn't going to
be posted, I haven't worried about it
[1:36:01] too much. But uh
but any other new business?
[1:36:06] Okay, seeing no other new business, we
are done with our item. So, I'll declare
[1:36:11] journal.
[1:36:16] » Oh.
[1:36:21] Sorry, I missed the trustee remark.
[1:36:26] » Are there any trust?
[1:36:40] » I need to do that.
[1:36:45] » So now we can't call it back to work.
[1:36:58] I hope so, too.
>> Glad you're here.
[1:37:02] » I was worried you wouldn't be. So,
>> let's see.