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As thoughts did, communications and force funds. I have received none, but any that hasn't been published.

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All right, moving on. We have no presentations, so I'm going to open public comment at 601.

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And this is for anyone who would like to address the planning commission on items that are not in the public hearing.

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So anything except growth of CO, and we ask that any oral presentations be limited to three minutes unless you're representing a group and an organization will have five minutes to address the commission.

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With that is there everyone in touch a poll that would like to address the commission on something other than growth of CO.

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Okay? Seeing no one will move to anyone online. These phrases have been made.

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No one has raised yet.

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No one has raised yet.

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Okay. And I'll entertain a motion to close public comment.

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So I can move by more to the second five lecture.

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Any further discussion? All those in favor please say aye.

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Any opposed? Okay. Public comment is supposed to six or two.

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Moving on to approval of the minutes of 810-26,

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I'm a approval of the minutes by brand support by hide, any further discussion.

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Those in favor please say aye.

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Aye.

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Then the minutes are approved as submitted.

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We'll move on to our public hearing.

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All right, the public hearing this evening is for O-A-25-O-12, PSP-25-017-Groves of

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SIO and its new use development. With our public hearing, generally the agenda is

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we hear from the applicant. We have any clarifying questions, and then we hear for our

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engineer, they reuse and then we open it up to the public. So, and with that, if the applicant wants to introduce yourself and if he would be able to get.

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Yeah, just a second. I said it was sheer square.

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Yeah, that's fine.

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Oh, these are.

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Oh, we put that one in.

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The photo is also way.

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And we have a little pen as well.

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Yes, it's very bossy.

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Sally is here.

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What's up?

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I'm ready. Yes.

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I'm getting everyone on Briggs County with both of the holes on the outside.

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I go score, both the holes, and matte bush with parallel engineering, presenting on our

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rooms of style applications.

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So, I wanted to start off with aerial image of the location right now, we're on the southeast corner of Jackson and Zebe right now, there's an existing industrial building, and for some history on the site, they went through a planning commission and board of trustees planning review.

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Ultimately, it was declined. It was composed of hotel office, and there was some mixed comments.

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Ultimately, a lot of the feedback was, they liked this location more so for residential, and so

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Broward, for its faulty, and his coordinating with us on the residential aspect.

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So, our proposal here tonight is, part of the whole mixed use of commercial residential development.

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We are just the residential element aspect of it.

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So touching on some of the master plan recommendations,

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we are in the Jackson Road sub-area

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and the mixed-use commercial area for the digital land use map,

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which recommends infill residential density

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on the part of the mixed-use development with the BUD,

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which we are looking forward to.

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And this is at the end of the master plan.

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However, I didn't want to highlight some of the multi-modal

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sustainability recommendations where a lot of the efforts being made in this community

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have the intersection of Jackson and Z as a highlight for multi-multi-multi sustainability

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activity and it does highlight this intersection as part of a central township area where

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we'll be providing an anchor of residential density as well as more commercial.

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And just...

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We've got John some of the land use goals from the master plan. It's talks about supporting growth and infill with residential density, for the mixed use commercial, particularly infill with that identity residential, Jackson wrote sub-area again, it's this common theme of infill, mixed use, high density residential. And also it's sustainability, bringing that in, and areas, service quality utilities, and infrastructure. This is within that service of water area of the Jackson River corridor.

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Then, especially here on the surrounding area, to the west, we've seen residential development proposals.

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We see the identity of around 2.5 to 5 units per acre.

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We're coming in at 6.5 units an acre, so a little bit higher residential density than what we've seen a little bit to the west along Jackson.

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So moving into the site plan, it is 125 units, so the boundary between the commercial aspect

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and the residential is this line right here with Jackson Road to the north.

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This section, so 125 townhold units, we have two access points, one on Jackson Road, one on Z Road.

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All of our roads will have sidewalks on both sides of the street.

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We have two detention funds proposed, one here, one here on our portion.

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The commercial will also have detention funds along Jackson Road.

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Some of the other elements, we have a central corridor with a park, a gathering area for people to hang out.

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have benches there. We have a ring guard and it's proposed and then maintaining the wetlands

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on the eastern portion of the property as well as preserving as many trees as possible along

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that section. Can you tell me where the park is? Park is. So when you turn to the access

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plane off of Jackson Road you can travel through the commercial aspects and when you enter here

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We have this terminating best as it's front and center as you go from the commercial space

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to the residential space and so we're inviting and you see the social activity there.

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As I've been saying, it makes these development in field development with sub-ground fluid

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remediation.

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We do have a representative and we've been talking more about that here with us as well.

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We also wanted to highlight the pedestrian connectivity to Jackson and Z and that's where

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is an anchor of four-sale town units on this central corridor where you can walk to

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my ear in the different commercial aspects and restaurants and breweries around that area.

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We also wanted to highlight 52 percent open space, so that calculation is for our residential

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portion. We are, the total is, I think, 24-acre sites. We're about 19 acres and there's about

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10 acres of open space for our portion of the development.

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I linked some of the amenities, and they said,

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we'll have that attorney VISTA coming in the entrance.

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They'll be the playground.

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They'll be park benches there, floral arrangements,

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decorating up typical pool tea, playground for that section.

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And then we'll also have a nature path passing along from the southeast to the eastern section.

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And so people will be able to, you know, go for a walk and travel on a loop as they go from sidewalks to on the pathway to the trees.

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On one this border of the

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sustainability initiatives.

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We're carrying the same approach we had with our embergrove in that you'll have an optionality for an all-electric appliance down home with the

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weather heat system and you'll have that that optionality

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As they go through the purchase process and again, the EV ready outlets solar roof ready

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recycled pavement materials water sense fixtures for all of

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those aspects and then a sustainable development pattern too for higher density along your

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main jacks of the road corridor as well.

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Some of the elevations.

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AT&T and our square feet

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town homes, three-bed, two-and-a-half baths. So these are typical and representative

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onto

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the public benefits so we are offering.

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A $50,000 contribution to the township for utility infrastructure, $50,000 to the silent township, fire department.

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There will be a brownfield remediation representative here if you have questions about that tonight.

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A pedestrian accessibility and connectivity, so I will talk about the street connecting to the sidewalks on Z, Jackson and connectivity beyond.

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that satisfies master-point goals for residential

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density for diversity of housing.

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We also find that the mixed youths

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residential commercial development is more optimal

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that the existing industrial site is there now.

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And finally, the open space and natural future preservation

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with 52% open space.

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With that, I leave it to you with any questions.

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I'm there clarifying questions.

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So that's mentioned in the planner, Mimmo and Squirrel, about diversity, diverse housing options.

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All of the residential component is town homes.

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So what's the diversity?

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Sure.

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And I think that that's applying to the silo township as a whole is predominantly single family,

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homes, larger yards, and so I think we're coming at this approach of the town home, I think

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when you hear a missing middle oftentimes you can find rental apartments or a single

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family home on a 60-70 foot lot, and oftentimes in town which is just a family that's

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hard to find that the kind of mid-range square footage, opportunity for sale or for rents,

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which typically is cost a little bit more than a apartment, but cost a little bit less than

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I think we're looking at the big picture of science out there.

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And are there EVs, EV parking stations?

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Not EV parking stations throughout the sites like up next to the park per se,

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but you can accommodate your garage to have an EV charging station.

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Yeah, EV ready, EV ready.

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EV ready, garage, yes.

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And I didn't see in your plan, I probably couldn't tell.

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What are the town homes, ranch town homes, or are they...

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Two story towns.

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Thank you.

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This was revised and when it originally came to the board, it had more diversity in it.

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It didn't have the power of the project.

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Yeah, it was a hotel in office, kind of, on the day of housing at all.

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But the...

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I didn't know how to tell.

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I didn't know how to tell.

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I didn't know how to tell.

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And then, and then it was the board, trustees, the requested, you know, more of this

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town home.

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No, that was denied.

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It didn't go.

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I didn't see it.

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Right.

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But they also, it pressed fun, then what they wanted.

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I think that correct.

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And that was also from the Planning Commission, too.

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I think there was a preference for more residential than the hotel.

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Is that recall at the planning commission?

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No, it was sort of a normal residential.

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Any other clarifying questions?

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Yes.

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So the entire site is part of a PUD, right?

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But you're saying that you're only dealing with the residential tonight.

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Are you?

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So we're not doing a sci-fi interview for that.

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The PUD, the commercial component, is part of the overall PUD.

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And we can speak to that.

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Yeah, I'm here to discuss the commercial part.

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Okay.

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Have any questions about that?

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There's no reference to a request for a tip.

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Has that gone away?

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You're not seeking a tip.

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Yes, we are.

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I don't see that that in the heart of the materials tonight.

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Well, the Brownfield application has been submitted on a number of occasions in the project.

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We've been very clear from day one on this project then.

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We also need you to.

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If you could just for the record, yeah, come out and introduce yourself.

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That'd be great.

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Thank you.

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Steve, for our representative RSP.

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So we've been here a few times with various projects. When it came to light that the township would prefer to make use potentially, but this residential, the project, in order to do that, we have to have a brownfield in order to demolish the building and clean it up. We would very clear about that from day one, that these things go hand in hand.

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this, the approval of the PUD goes hand in hand with the approval of the Brownfield.

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Right, so yeah, I've been in some of those meetings, I was aware of that, but these materials

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don't call out that there's also a tiff part of the plan, it's not in the narrative.

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It does say Brownfield, but it doesn't directly address that there's a request for a tip.

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So that's why I'm asking the question.

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Okay, well, we'd like to say, we bet here numerous times with the county, with Nathan, with

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AKT to say, look, this project needs a Brownfield to go forward with it.

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I want my fellow commissioners to realize that this is included, because it really is not

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highlighted in the doctor's, and I think from our perspective what's happening is we're trying

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if I identify that little non, rather than coming to the end of the game,

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I don't know what I'm going to tell you,

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see what's going to happen.

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Great.

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And my advice, we've been very clear from day one,

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that this was a chip project.

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It's a problem with the chip.

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Yeah.

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And we've done all the legwork with the count.

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That meets their criteria to be approved.

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It's at the stage now, where if it's going to move forward,

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It's part of the side of the town to the board to take action on the tip and conjunction with this thing's moving forward, right?

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But it's not. We're not doing them separate.

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Everything's been done.

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Nathanics said has been here to represent that it's ready to go.

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But it's at that point where it's the balls in the township's court.

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Terials would need to go with these in order to pass it on to the board,

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so that that was seen at the same time.

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Well, you said it sequentially, which is what you said.

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You've been here before.

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You've been very clear when it's not part of the

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pact.

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Maybe they'll convince it.

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Well, also, just to clarify, the planning commission

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doesn't get involved in the granting of the tint.

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I agree that it hadn't knowing that that's a part of this

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is important information, but the planning commission doesn't.

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We don't approve that.

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We don't approve that.

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What's been happening with a couple of different projects, a TIF has never been involved, where there's several meetings with us, and then they get to support the trustees, which rightfully so they get their ones to decide that.

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But I think there's been a curtain if I'm wrong, anyone in fact, there's been a bit of a... taking by surprise that...

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And it's saying you happen to see it, it sounds like it hasn't happened with you, but on our part, there's a concern about knowing about that request, at the last, at the end, when you have a valid source to you.

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Not you, but...

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I think there's a reaction.

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That's happened too.

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After we, it's gone through site plan approval, then all of us, I think, come back and ask for a chance.

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That's why there's a little sensitivity.

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And that's fine. I only point is we have not taken that approach, right? We've been very forthright for the last two years that this isn't a tip project

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And so I want to move on see if there are any other

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kind of questions short question before. Okay, I'll found a question. I know we had some problems with the Z-Broad entrance

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Is that all being cleared up with the road commission improved?

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We've been in conversations with them

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And we updated our traffic study for right-end right-out off of the scene, and the continuing conversations.

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Wait on the final final, waiting to hear from, okay.

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And in your conversations, sorry, one more.

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In your conversations,

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do they seem to be,

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because at one point I think there was some mention that it could only be an exit or something,

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But in your conversations, are they good conversations?

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Do you think that that's that the real commission is taking

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the request in?

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I have my head in the airspace, I don't know.

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I don't know what, I don't even know what I'm talking about.

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I'm talking about these assures, because there's not a secret.

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I'm not going to share about this.

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You know, there we go.

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The conversations have been positive.

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They've been asking for things that aren't necessarily

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It works is about a traffic study.

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We have been discussing with them, and we have, of course, a good way to report to negotiating and neighbors, further requests, so we will still acknowledge being its preliminary right now.

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But thank you very much.

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Sir, thank questions, right?

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Yeah, I have one more clear thank questions.

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Are all the units identical?

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No, there's, I would say, identical or close to identical, in terms of square footage, but then the design options on the exterior have different opportunities.

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opportunities for optionalities. There's some, there's some, there's some, there's some difference in the floor plans, too.

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So the design, the exterior, and some of the interior floor plans are a little bit different.

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There's a cottage, farmhouse, farmland options, different floor plans, similar with the size.

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So could you three bedroom two-and-a-half bath, but several different kind of configurations of that?

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Any other clarifying questions?

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This mine was similar to Kim's about the traffic, because along Z-Broad and back, the particular

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spot, traffic is really bad and you add in the truck traffic, and I know there's been

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fatalities over there, so that was my question as well, how's the increase in traffic

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going to match?

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And I find the materials said something about the possibility of having the exit at the

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I don't think some of us we need to discuss with you as opposed to making it clarify.

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Yeah, so we can get through.

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Hi, Mr. Park.

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Okay with that, Doug.

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Do you want to go through the highlights of your report?

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Yes. Hello.

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So as I was mentioned, this is a, we have to remember, this is a preliminary

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PUD. I'll talk a little bit about the process real quick. So there's a two-step process

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with all PUDs, a preliminary PUD, stage and a final PUD stage. So the preliminary PUD

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stage is where we're at right now with a public hearing. This will go to the planning

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commission and the township board. It will then come back to the planning commission

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for final PUD. Final PUD would be similar to a final site plan with all of the detail

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filled in or the fourth or the plan and then that final PUD would actually go to the

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township board after planning commission. So, best case scenario for an applicant, they're

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looking at four separate meetings to the planning commission to the township board and then if

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there's any postponement or tabling, you know, we add on add on from there.

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At the preliminary PUD stage, excuse me, the planning commission should be trying to determine

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if the project meets the PUD qualifications and standards for a project so that PUD project

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eligibility and POD qualifications.

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Within those qualifications and eligibility criteria

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are quite a few site-plan type issues.

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But again, just to emphasize that right now what we're

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really trying to do is determine if this site is eligible

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as qualifies as a proper location for a mixed use,

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commercial, residential project, of the density proposed.

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All the nitty-gritty detail site plan will occur at the final site plan stage of review.

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That said, our review is 14 pages long and I will summarize if that's okay with everybody.

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And if you have any questions about the review itself, please ask and I will try to answer those.

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So,

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one of the first things we try to do is try to determine if the intent of the

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PUD district is matte and the intent talks about things like flexibility, maybe providing

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a project that we wouldn't normally get.

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I mean, that's really the whole point of a PUD is that we're getting something that we couldn't

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normally get under straight zoning or straight project.

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and so that can maybe be asking for some deviations. In this case, I know of only one deviation,

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and that's the setback of the commercial building. The eastern most commercial building on the eastern

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property line. There's a minimum 50 foot PUD buffer. The applicants requesting, I believe, 30 feet

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and so that will require a PUD deviation. I don't believe there are any other

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Reservations are non-requested by the applicant.

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And so the first thing we have to do is determine the planning commissioner and does this project meet the intent of the PUD and why we even have a PUD ordinance.

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there are a number of criteria within that, within trying to determine intent, there's

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recognizable benefit that has to be demonstrated by the applicant and recognizable benefit.

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We've talked a lot about in the past, you know, what does that exactly mean?

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You know, it could mean additional open space, wetland protections, it could mean contributions

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to the fire utilities as the applicants proposing.

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So there are a lot of items that could be considered benefit to the township.

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We point those out in our review.

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the app can also points those out in their material.

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And I'm sure the Plenty Commissioner will have

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a spirited discussion if the meeting

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is recognizable benefit.

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So that's one of the big items for the PUD

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for this stage of the PUD review.

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And then we look at things like does the project,

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does the density proposed, result in an unreasonable impact

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on the need for public services, facilities and utilities.

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As I was mentioned by the applicant, and our report, this project, is within the township's municipal service area, so sewer and water is provided to this site.

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The capacity of sewer and water I will leave up to the discussion of the township engineer, but this is within the sewer and water district within south township.

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Another criteria is that does the project as a consistent with the public health safety and welfare of the community.

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As was mentioned during the applicant's presentation, there are a number of locations in the master plan.

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Both in the mixed use commercial designation of the master plan in the Jackson Art overlay district part of the master plan.

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that talks about high density residential as a part of commercial projects and this project is proposing high density residential.

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It's interesting to note that the master plan discusses two different types of densities and this project is not to there.

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The applicant is not proposing the maximum density.

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I'm just so that's made clear that this is proposed in kind of a middle of the road density for the project.

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We are also supposed to ensure that the project minimizes a negative environmental impact for the project itself.

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And when we think about environmental impact, in this particular case, we think we have to be cognizant of the fact that this is the former site of the Malois lithographing facility, which was an industrial facility, a long time industrial facility here in Sao Township.

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I believe now the building, or at least last, I was aware the building was being divided up into

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kind of warehouse suites for multiple users, kind of a kind of turned into a multi-tenant

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industrial facility.

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But if you've driven by the site and I'm sure you've all driven by the site many

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many times, as it has, have I, there's a very large industrial facility here.

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So natural resources to a certain degree are limited to the southern part of the property and the eastern part of the property

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that is preserving a fair amount of the all the large wetland on the eastern part of the property and some of the trees located within the southern

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any storm part of the site. We know that with regard to natural features and we

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mentioned this a couple of times in our review, we would really like the applicant to

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provide a greater number of trees to be preserved on site and if trees can't be preserved

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and there's a calculation provided for replacement trees that the applicant supply

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as many replacement trees as possible on this site, I know the other option of not proposing

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trees on site is to contribute to the township's tree fund, but it's always preferable to,

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actually the most preferable obviously is to preserve as many trees as possible on site,

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particularly landmark trees, and to, and if you can't do that to provide trees on site.

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We did review this project back some time ago, eight months ago or so. And that was one of our comments back. Then an applicant has made an effort to preserve some additional trees than we initially saw.

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But we would still like that comment to go forward, particularly to move forward into the site plan stage review. So that when this moves into detail, then generic, that they can perhaps try to adjust grading to preserve additional trees on site.

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So, and, as was mentioned by the whole group, you know, because this was maloid, lithographing for so long, a printing operation,

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the applicant indicates that Brownfield remediation is desired on this site, and it might be helpful at some point.

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I think the applicant said that there were someone on their team here this evening that might be able to discuss what that means,

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And what they would be looking for for the Brownfield remediation, I might be helpful discussion to have because frankly I don't fully understand the Brownfield remediation that is being proposed.

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The, we are moving on we're supposed to determine that the development minimizes impact on surrounding properties.

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We provide a table earlier in the review that indicated that pretty much surrounding this property or other commercial or office type.

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businesses. I'm directly south of the project is our some additional residential units.

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On Zebrot, on the east side of Zebrot, but primarily directly around this site is mostly commercial

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and industrial type uses. We don't believe that this site would have a negative impact on strong properties.

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We're supposed to make sure that the project is consistent with the goals and policies of the Township Master Plan.

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As was discussed by the applicant, and discussed in multiple parts of our review,

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we believe that there are certainly goals and policies touched on,

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and both the mixed use commercial part of the master plan and the Jackson Road

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overlay district part of the master plan.

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That would certainly be addressed or be consistent with what the applicant is proposing.

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Next, we move on to project overall project density,

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And I alluded to the fact that the applicant is proposing some more kind of in the middle of the density that could be allowed here.

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There's what's discussed is MR-2 and MR-3 multifamily zoning.

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The MR-2 provides eight units.

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breakers, MR-3 provides 10 units breakers, breakers, the

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app transaction providing 6.5 units breakers, actually a little bit on the low end

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of what might be might occur here, so slightly less density than what we would

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normally allow, or you know, if it was MR-2 or MR-3 zoning. We've talked a lot

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about the master plan in our review on page 6.7 and 8 of our review.

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We believe generally speaking that the project certainly can meet the criteria and the goals

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and policies of the township master plan.

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We do note that there is a sustainability summary that the applicant provided in their

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response letter that talks about some of the things that they want to do or they're proposing

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to do with sustainability measures and we would like that those things actually listed on the

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cover sheet of the site plan and not just in a response letter. And that's something that certainly

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could happen at the final site plan or the final POD stage review. Getting into some minor

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kind of site plan issues now, as I mentioned, the area width height and setbacks, we find that

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standards of the area with height and setbacks can be met with the exception of the eastern edge

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of the commercial building as it abuts another commercial building to the east and the

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app can is requesting a waiver. It's they're proposing 30 feet oh no what are they're

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I thought it was 35, that may have definitely clarified that, but they're asking for a waiver on that one.

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I don't see it in my report handy, but it's supposed to be 50 and they're not meeting the 50.

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We had talked about natural features before, so I won't repeat that.

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If any of you have questions, I can try to address those.

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Again, if applicant can preserve additional landmark and protected trees, that would be our goal.

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And hopefully some additional trees can be preserved at the final stage of review.

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That can't-

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President has open space in excess of what's required by a PUD for a PUD plan. PUD plan requires 30% open space. The applicant has indicated they are proposing 52% open space and there's some caveat to that.

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to that. If you're including storm under detention in your open space, you have to landscape

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those storm under detention basins and the basins have to be shaped in kind of a natural

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configuration.

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Years and years ago we haven't seen many of these in a while, but we used

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to get these cigar shaped storm under detention basins with a fence around them. And obviously

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those aren't natural in any way shape or form, and so if in the applicants detention

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basins do look from what we can tell kind of natural shaped, but as long as that can

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be demonstrated clearly, then those can be included in the open space.

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We have no issue of the bill in location and citerangement.

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site access and circulation was alluded to by one of the planning commissioners and

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that item remains outstanding. As far as this plan is concerned, it's understanding that

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the applicant, the zebraode, entrance is the is the bona contention here and the applicant

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is proposing a right in right out on Z, at this point. That may change. That's some point, but I

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Oh, OHM can address that in more detail, but I believe some conversations are ongoing

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through a commission and that needs to be determined exactly.

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We will defer to the touch engineer and the road commission with regard to the traffic study

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that the app can have provided.

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And that is about it. There are, we list a number of items

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that the Pliny Commission should determine on page 13 of our report. We have seven items.

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All of these are in direct relation to the standards and the zoning ordinance that talk about,

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you know, does the project meet the eligibility criteria of a PUD. And so each of those items

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one through seven, the planning commission should spend a little time on to determine if each,

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you know, each of these criteria have been met. And hopefully you can use the comments of our

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report to support you with those decisions. And if you have any questions, I'll try to help as best

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I can. And then also with the site plan, we provide seven items that should be addressed as part

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site plan, we also note that those seven items certainly could be, you know, if the planning

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commission were to move this along to the township board for preliminary POD approval,

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these seven items could be addressed at a final site plan stage. Those are our comments

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and I would be happy to answer any questions that you might have.

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Thank you, Doug. Any specific questions for Doug, because we'll have a chance to talk also

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and some discussion I do.

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So Doug, just that last part that you mentioned about the site plan items to be addressed,

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the seven items that you said could be dealt with in a later day.

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When our motion today, if we do that, moving the branch of the line,

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that motion would

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need to say that specifically in there.

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Yes.

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Just the reference to your memo is enough.

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Yeah, I think the reference to my report is enough, and you might, you know, if that was the way the planning commission want to go, you might want to say specifically the seven

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site-plan items noted in the Carla Wartman report.

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Yeah, I have a question, Doug.

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Can you give me a refresher definition of open space?

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What, when you fully grade a site?

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And, but you leave it unoccupied after you've graded it and whatever you want to call it,

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it can qualify as open space, correct?

438
00:39:38,310 --> 00:39:38,570
Yes.

439
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:52,820
because we allow open space to be recreation space.

440
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,800
So you can have like you could, you know,

441
00:39:56,860 --> 00:39:59,800
technically a playground or and that's,

442
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:14,260
Typically a playground would be graded and cleared. And so we allow parks and open, you know, playgrounds, those sorts of things are also included in the open space calculation.

443
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,340
It doesn't have to be left natural in order to qualify.

444
00:40:17,340 --> 00:40:18,740
No. No.

445
00:40:20,660 --> 00:40:26,880
It says active outdoor recreation purposes can also be included.

446
00:40:27,620 --> 00:40:29,420
Thank you.

447
00:40:30,140 --> 00:40:32,800
Any other clarifying questions for Dr.

448
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:33,660
All right.

449
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:34,460
I do.

450
00:40:36,020 --> 00:40:37,060
Sidewalks.

451
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:43,880
I know that these groups mentioned that there was sidewalks on both sides.

452
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:52,080
is that throughout the, throughout the, okay, he's saying yes. And then, um, the, the water

453
00:40:52,780 --> 00:40:59,880
looping, can somebody explain it to more, can I hear from the open space? Okay. And I've heard

454
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:12,920
three different open space. Uh, our ordinance is 35% you said 50% or you said 50% or you said 50%

455
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:14,940
So, how is the open space?

456
00:41:18,250 --> 00:41:20,210
I'm going to have 52 based on our site.

457
00:41:20,230 --> 00:41:21,430
52 now, okay.

458
00:41:22,010 --> 00:41:24,830
On the front page, more than 30.

459
00:41:26,250 --> 00:41:26,410
Yeah.

460
00:41:26,410 --> 00:41:26,810
52.

461
00:41:27,610 --> 00:41:30,250
And the POD standards 30.

462
00:41:30,390 --> 00:41:32,270
If I said 35, that was incorrect.

463
00:41:32,630 --> 00:41:33,510
It's 30.

464
00:41:34,190 --> 00:41:36,070
And I am going on the top my head on 52.

465
00:41:36,690 --> 00:41:38,110
But my notes says you said 52.

466
00:41:38,570 --> 00:41:38,750
Okay.

467
00:41:41,700 --> 00:41:42,040
All right.

468
00:41:42,580 --> 00:41:44,760
And we'll go ahead and move on to Sally.

469
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:45,800
Good

470
00:41:58,570 --> 00:42:04,630
evening everyone. It looks like I am audio only, but that's okay. I will be short and

471
00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:10,930
sweet here for you tonight. We had a couple of preliminary PUD comments. They have been

472
00:42:10,930 --> 00:42:17,070
touched on a little bit. The discussion negotiation approval of the proposed public benefits.

473
00:42:18,070 --> 00:42:22,130
We defer that to the Township Staff, Township Attorney and Township Board of Trustees. However,

474
00:42:22,130 --> 00:42:29,770
We do recommend that our office be involved in any review portions of the PUD agreement that relate to the infrastructure improvements.

475
00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:37,810
And then, as has been mentioned, the road commission review of the road is still underway.

476
00:42:38,590 --> 00:42:45,110
We do know that the questions we need to have been held as the applicant has said, but we have no final approval of that yet.

477
00:42:45,110 --> 00:42:58,490
So, we are waiting on those comments and requirements as that may change a little bit of the site layout for the connection to the road, but that's pending yet, so I'll leave that up to the planning commission.

478
00:42:58,490 --> 00:43:02,010
And then we had three minor preliminary site plan comments.

479
00:43:02,310 --> 00:43:06,010
We had strong water management, the certificate's outlet needs to be signed and sealed

480
00:43:06,010 --> 00:43:07,990
by a registered engineer in the state of Michigan.

481
00:43:08,790 --> 00:43:15,450
And then two things for site grading and site layout, we do recommend that a passenger vehicle

482
00:43:15,450 --> 00:43:21,190
turning template is provided to demonstrate that there is sufficient space for the units

483
00:43:21,190 --> 00:43:23,550
that are near the dead end turn around.

484
00:43:23,730 --> 00:43:26,670
So it appears a few of those driveways are very close to the end of that pavement.

485
00:43:26,670 --> 00:43:30,510
we just want to make sure that those residents have enough room to back their cars out

486
00:43:30,510 --> 00:43:34,630
and get point to down the road in the right direction without running into the grass or the curb.

487
00:43:35,650 --> 00:43:42,590
And then the proposed nature path, we do recommend from an engineering perspective that those are

488
00:43:42,590 --> 00:43:48,290
paved due to ease of future maintenance and accessibility. We have not had great luck with

489
00:43:48,890 --> 00:43:55,890
wood chip paths on other projects as of late. We are looking for the planning commission to wait in on this

490
00:43:55,890 --> 00:44:02,510
And note that should it remain wood chip the applicant shall provide a definitive maintenance schedule on the plans as well as

491
00:44:03,130 --> 00:44:06,850
Frequency and who will be responsible for that maintenance. I

492
00:44:06,850 --> 00:44:09,150
Happy to answer any questions you may have.

493
00:44:17,530 --> 00:44:21,970
Yeah, for which I would be involved in any route and field discussions

494
00:44:24,970 --> 00:44:29,150
Generally not unless we are specifically asked to be

495
00:44:40,130 --> 00:44:44,490
are and the two that won't be filled in on this drawing it would help.

496
00:44:46,430 --> 00:44:51,470
The well ends, I believe B&C or approximately here,

497
00:44:54,740 --> 00:44:56,920
especially in the third big one we're

498
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:57,740
staying out of is.

499
00:45:01,910 --> 00:45:08,630
Why do there's no building there? Why do you need to fill in the wetland?

500
00:45:09,710 --> 00:45:13,930
Only that's my idea. Are we still in questions with a judge engineering?

501
00:45:14,090 --> 00:45:15,810
Or did you want to pivot to?

502
00:45:16,090 --> 00:45:21,770
Well, we can do. I mean, I mean, they're clarifying some things.

503
00:45:22,210 --> 00:45:22,770
So, yeah.

504
00:45:25,140 --> 00:45:25,520
Yeah, yeah.

505
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:25,620
Yeah.

506
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:26,080
Yeah.

507
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:29,600
So there's a lot of them, like, right there.

508
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:33,040
Small isolated, not directly interconnect with that.

509
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:34,180
That's the key to take away.

510
00:45:34,420 --> 00:45:36,500
We need to do a sort of a, like, this management.

511
00:45:37,300 --> 00:45:38,420
There's not a right way to do that.

512
00:45:38,460 --> 00:45:40,140
It doesn't have to buy a building to be in.

513
00:45:40,340 --> 00:45:41,580
Small, that is the way to do it.

514
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:42,900
And we're staying somewhere.

515
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:44,180
And we're not impacting the larger.

516
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,100
What happened to that come to the students, but I'm sorry.

517
00:45:47,820 --> 00:45:48,180
And it goes on.

518
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:48,920
I'm even there too.

519
00:45:49,180 --> 00:45:49,920
So that's the same.

520
00:45:53,640 --> 00:46:00,580
So I'm looking at your diagram on page 6 and it's perfect if I'm wrong you need to fill

521
00:46:00,580 --> 00:46:03,360
that in because that's where you're didn't.

522
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:04,580
It's a great envelope.

523
00:46:04,780 --> 00:46:05,780
So it's going to impact it.

524
00:46:05,860 --> 00:46:06,860
That's a great statement.

525
00:46:09,820 --> 00:46:10,940
Jan's statement of mine.

526
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:15,520
We must fill that small, isolated weather, because the storm water management is.

527
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:25,660
I have a couple questions that have to do, and I know you don't review the traffic studies

528
00:46:25,660 --> 00:46:34,200
unless you're asked, but in this case, most of the recommendations are signal changes,

529
00:46:35,540 --> 00:46:37,580
and it's sort of a compliance thing.

530
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:45,160
How do we know that the road commission actually does the signal changes that are recommended

531
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:53,500
because it's not something the project can do. Correct. That is, they are the road agencies,

532
00:46:53,840 --> 00:47:00,260
so there's not really a way to verify, but in my experience with them, we've never had an issue

533
00:47:00,260 --> 00:47:07,680
with them not doing recommended signal changes. They wanted to operate as well as possible just like

534
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:12,600
the township wants it to operate, so I wouldn't, I don't have concerns with that being an issue.

535
00:47:13,700 --> 00:47:18,960
And then the other thing that I noticed in the traffic impact,

536
00:47:19,380 --> 00:47:27,160
they had some very specific safety sort of recommendations

537
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:28,580
for the intersection.

538
00:47:29,620 --> 00:47:36,240
And I'm just wondering if how silo can highlight those

539
00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:39,420
for the road commission and as they're reviewing this,

540
00:47:39,420 --> 00:47:44,000
maybe get a commitment or feedback on implementing those.

541
00:47:44,340 --> 00:48:09,280
A couple of them are signal recommendations and another one is extending some of the dual turn guidelines on the road to going south and I'm wondering because you're not in those meetings but how do we push that a little bit and at least get a response from the road condition?

542
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:18,060
I would have your operations director reach out to them directly to talk with the Road Commission about those items.

543
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,760
Kathleen, can we work on that?

544
00:48:23,100 --> 00:48:23,280
Okay.

545
00:48:26,370 --> 00:48:36,130
Then I wanted to get a comment sort of your thoughts on when I was thinking through those dead ends.

546
00:48:36,130 --> 00:48:42,150
You know, you talked about making sure there was enough turning radius for cars to back out.

547
00:48:42,310 --> 00:48:46,430
But I'm thinking about they're probably going to have carts for trash and recycling.

548
00:48:47,570 --> 00:48:50,690
So you've got these big trucks coming down.

549
00:48:51,030 --> 00:48:53,410
I know those trucks don't like to back up.

550
00:48:54,470 --> 00:48:58,730
And then all the delivery trucks like Amazon and FedEx and so forth.

551
00:48:59,410 --> 00:49:03,310
One of them is pretty short, but the other two dead ends are pretty long.

552
00:49:03,310 --> 00:49:11,050
It's pretty dangerous having those trucks backing up in that area unless they happen to have

553
00:49:11,050 --> 00:49:15,910
an open driveway that they could turn around in. Any thoughts on that?

554
00:49:17,890 --> 00:49:25,190
So we really look at it in terms of fire department and garbage trucks. So far the fire department

555
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:31,150
has not notified us of any major concerns with those dead ends and the fire trucks are longer

556
00:49:31,150 --> 00:49:37,330
than a garbage truck, so short backups, I mean most of them are relatively short.

557
00:49:39,510 --> 00:49:40,170
I don't

558
00:49:40,170 --> 00:49:46,810
see any concerns with trucks having to back up a short distance just to make that swing out

559
00:49:46,810 --> 00:49:47,290
again.

560
00:49:48,470 --> 00:49:55,190
The fire trucks don't pull down those dead end portions according to the diagrams. They just

561
00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:59,610
it within so many feet of each unit and how I good enough.

562
00:50:00,180 --> 00:50:12,000
So, it's not like their garbage truck. It's like Jan's right. We probably should see that down show how that's going to be handled on your diagrams too.

563
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:22,180
And what would stop people from parking in that area because there may be limited parking by the unit they're going to. Oh, it's at the end. I'll park right here.

564
00:50:22,860 --> 00:50:33,020
Yeah, we could, yeah, we'll get into that a little bit more deliberation. I just wanted to ask Sally if she had some, you know, when they're reviewing it, how they look at that. Okay.

565
00:50:34,820 --> 00:50:35,400
I have a question.

566
00:50:35,660 --> 00:50:36,340
Any other questions?

567
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:41,540
This is the water moot redundancy question for me now.

568
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:47,080
So Sally, educate me, what is the water moot redundancy? What is that about?

569
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:57,260
So what we look for with water looping is in a development like this we look for two points of contact, so that or two points of connection I should say.

570
00:50:57,820 --> 00:51:04,640
So that if there is a water main break on either one the whole development is not out of water.

571
00:51:04,940 --> 00:51:11,720
So they do have a connection off of both Jackson and Z. So that is the redundancy we're looking for there.

572
00:51:11,720 --> 00:51:18,640
At least there is an alternate supply line if one of those connection lines were to have an issue temporarily.

573
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:22,360
Thank you.

574
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:26,920
And fire didn't have any projections.

575
00:51:28,020 --> 00:51:36,720
So with that, I'm going to go ahead and open up public comment or anyone in.

576
00:51:37,660 --> 00:51:42,060
Yeah, time should fall for this particular project.

577
00:51:42,060 --> 00:51:43,360
I guess I'm first in my career.

578
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:44,240
Okay, yeah.

579
00:51:44,240 --> 00:51:46,400
And if you want to come up and introduce yourself,

580
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:47,040
that'd be great.

581
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,100
And you guys will be back, so.

582
00:51:54,380 --> 00:51:55,260
Yes, please.

583
00:52:13,180 --> 00:52:13,940
Thank you very much.

584
00:52:14,100 --> 00:52:15,340
My name's Peter Paul.

585
00:52:16,700 --> 00:52:19,700
I'm here as a resident.

586
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:22,220
Pretty much a body.

587
00:52:22,220 --> 00:52:26,640
You plan the site plan or the development.

588
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,700
I don't know how familiar all of you are with the surrounding areas.

589
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:35,180
I live on Hunter's Trail, which is a one-block cul-de-sac,

590
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:40,000
heading north of Park Road, just east of Zebe.

591
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:45,180
And our street on the west side of the street

592
00:52:45,180 --> 00:52:48,940
of Butts and Children's Center, you know what that is.

593
00:52:48,940 --> 00:52:56,260
But they go again to the end, where there's a cold sack, some of the properties of

594
00:52:56,260 --> 00:53:02,860
blood right on to the wetlands, and our property, including a couple of other houses,

595
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:10,180
but the ordinary area, which is just sort of west of the wetlands and the findings of

596
00:53:10,180 --> 00:53:20,680
soil kind of development. So we are in this area, which could be indirectly, you're not directly

597
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:26,520
affected by the development. And I was also going to ask this a couple of questions and maybe

598
00:53:27,140 --> 00:53:33,580
the presenter would answer. Go ahead, why don't you go ahead and, yeah, we can go ahead and

599
00:53:33,580 --> 00:53:38,100
we can go ahead along. I mean, as you, I have this not really a new thing, but I guess you could go

600
00:53:38,100 --> 00:53:41,480
that it's how much of a buffer is going to be remaining

601
00:53:42,020 --> 00:53:47,680
to eat your project and Hunter's Trail, which you can't see,

602
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:49,780
unless you were to expand it.

603
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,060
It's just, you see, just there on the right.

604
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:55,880
Oh, I'm not sure if that's that.

605
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:57,660
That might be CIO condos.

606
00:53:57,940 --> 00:53:59,820
Oh, you see, right there.

607
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:00,640
That's right there.

608
00:54:00,740 --> 00:54:05,360
Well, that's, that's, yeah, that's Hunter's Trail right here.

609
00:54:07,220 --> 00:54:07,460
All right.

610
00:54:07,460 --> 00:54:17,360
So, I guess the question is, what's the distance between a southern end of your development and our cult of the second?

611
00:54:19,100 --> 00:54:21,980
And how much woodlands will be preserved there in woodlands?

612
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:27,940
So all these woodlands would be preserved outside in the other line, just for visual scale.

613
00:54:28,240 --> 00:54:33,600
It's about 50 feet. I mean, again, this approximate graphic, about 50 feet from the back.

614
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:40,380
this line to the yellow line, so say 50, 100, 100, so 300 feet.

615
00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:48,500
I think more than two-foot-ball fields you think, between development and 3L's,

616
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:52,020
about 250, 300 feet based off my quick little fuzzy scale bar.

617
00:54:52,500 --> 00:54:54,780
But yes, it's roughly around that.

618
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:59,520
And how much of the wetlands are you actually going to be working on?

619
00:55:02,660 --> 00:55:13,500
I was curious about the east end there where you have that indication that I thought that it was wetlands, but maybe a lot.

620
00:55:13,820 --> 00:55:14,460
It was tough.

621
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:15,300
No, no.

622
00:55:16,240 --> 00:55:18,660
You inside be able to line up on the top of the river.

623
00:55:19,260 --> 00:55:19,900
Yeah, that was tough.

624
00:55:20,780 --> 00:55:22,080
You're not touching that.

625
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:24,120
Is that helpful?

626
00:55:24,340 --> 00:55:29,240
Well, it's helpful. I was wondering why it was considered part of the project, but it's not going to be touched.

627
00:55:29,240 --> 00:55:37,860
The other point that I got, not a question, I'm very concerned about, I think, an entry point on C.

628
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:40,480
Brodo.

629
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:47,280
I'll know this is the central intersection, basically the off-site attention, and there's a lot of traffic there.

630
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:57,200
I'm not sure where they plan to make the entryway, but if it's where the units are, I'm not sure how much room there is actually for the Egress.

631
00:55:58,420 --> 00:56:07,060
Egress, I also heard that this is going to be a right in right out only and seems to be the only way that that can be enforced.

632
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:15,540
The bill, a concrete divider in the middle of the sea road, to prevent people from turning in from the sick from sick bounce of the road.

633
00:56:16,500 --> 00:56:21,060
Otherwise, this is going to work, you know, fearless but not in practice.

634
00:56:21,060 --> 00:56:26,900
because people will make left turns and it's right in front of the

635
00:56:26,900 --> 00:56:34,140
edge of the fire. So I force you lots of problems, unless in fact I guess

636
00:56:34,140 --> 00:56:37,760
the road commission is responsible for deciding to put a divider in there.

637
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:41,220
Or even approving whether that's-

638
00:56:41,220 --> 00:56:46,760
Well obviously yes, I mean, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not position is that it should not be approved.

639
00:56:47,420 --> 00:56:54,660
If they need to have more aggressive egress, it could be on Jackson Road and maybe there could be another cutout.

640
00:56:55,180 --> 00:56:59,800
You know, so people coming west on Jackson would be able to turn directly in.

641
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:01,400
I'm not sure how that would work.

642
00:57:01,580 --> 00:57:05,100
Rather than have to make the mission to new turn.

643
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:07,000
Oh, no, it's not changing.

644
00:57:07,980 --> 00:57:09,860
Any intersection is a mess right now.

645
00:57:10,420 --> 00:57:12,940
Yeah, but any of these are comments.

646
00:57:12,940 --> 00:57:15,480
And yeah, we appreciate those.

647
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:21,360
And as Doug said, this is like a preliminary approval.

648
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,420
And we haven't heard back from the vote commission.

649
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:27,320
I mean, one more quick point.

650
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:27,860
OK.

651
00:57:27,860 --> 00:57:32,500
The presenter initially said that this project would have a public benefit

652
00:57:32,500 --> 00:57:34,500
by promoting diversity.

653
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:39,300
And then he sort of, I don't know, backtrack with clarified

654
00:57:39,300 --> 00:57:42,940
that an anniversary of housing in general in silent action.

655
00:57:43,060 --> 00:57:49,620
As far to point out, as you will know, the side of condos are very, very similar to what's being proposed to you.

656
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,620
So that is not adding to diversity.

657
00:57:53,000 --> 00:58:03,580
That's just building more of the same condos in the, basically at the major intersection of the

658
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:15,760
Mr. President, I think the diversity comes in smaller units, the purchase prices would be a bit better, is it correct?

659
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:16,660
Mr. Merck sir.

660
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:22,840
It's not sure about purchase price, but I know the units that are being posted are very similar to what's already in the soil.

661
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,880
The word diversity is a little misleading, but I hear you.

662
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:26,880
Thank you very much.

663
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:27,980
Thank you for coming.

664
00:58:28,500 --> 00:58:29,660
I appreciate it.

665
00:58:29,660 --> 00:58:34,220
Is there anyone else in the Hampshire poll that would like to address the planning commission?

666
00:58:37,260 --> 00:58:38,040
Anyone online?

667
00:58:41,900 --> 00:58:43,020
At least 30 seconds.

668
00:58:54,250 --> 00:58:55,430
I'll enter into your vote.

669
00:58:56,130 --> 00:58:56,870
Entering a motion.

670
00:58:57,410 --> 00:58:58,670
Move to the closed public room.

671
00:58:59,110 --> 00:59:00,030
Move to the commissioner more.

672
00:59:00,170 --> 00:59:01,630
It's a part of my commissioner's letter.

673
00:59:02,110 --> 00:59:02,990
Any further discussion?

674
00:59:04,130 --> 00:59:05,450
All those in favor of the CI?

675
00:59:06,190 --> 00:59:07,650
I'm going to post a complaint.

676
00:59:08,790 --> 00:59:09,350
Thank you.

677
00:59:10,550 --> 00:59:12,170
But hearing is closed at seven o'clock.

678
00:59:12,170 --> 00:59:19,390
So, we've got, we don't have any unfinished business, so we're moving on to new business,

679
00:59:19,710 --> 00:59:30,190
which is possible action, 0.25, 0.12, PSP, 25.017, grows of silo, new misduced development.

680
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:45,820
So, as Doug said, this is a preliminary meeting, so, you know, kind of focusing on

681
00:59:45,820 --> 00:59:59,960
one the criteria, and also then addressing some items that if it moves forward that we want the petitioner to include as it is.

682
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:10,580
It goes to the next step. So with that, open it up for comments. Concerns, this is probably a talk.

683
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:15,140
Not that you have that's all friendly.

684
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:22,520
I just want to understand. I can start from the vote on something I don't quite understand.

685
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:25,620
We want to address that. Yes, fully interesting.

686
01:00:28,590 --> 01:00:36,750
Well, I'll start that nobody seems to be jumping in the bed. I'm very happy to see that this parcel is moving forward.

687
01:00:36,990 --> 01:00:43,950
I know, I've talked with Mr. Broward before I thought that, so I'm glad to see it's looks like it's shaping up.

688
01:00:43,950 --> 01:00:48,070
And in particular, I'm happy about the residential piece.

689
01:00:48,770 --> 01:00:53,010
We need more residential housing, and I'd

690
01:00:53,010 --> 01:01:00,730
not dissuade by the commercial on Jackson.

691
01:01:00,730 --> 01:01:03,530
In fact, I think the commercial makes sense on Jackson.

692
01:01:03,930 --> 01:01:06,510
I think before we were looking at a hotel, that would have been on.

693
01:01:07,110 --> 01:01:08,570
And I mean, we were on about the student.

694
01:01:08,570 --> 01:01:13,750
But that hotel in your proposal is going to be on Z for all.

695
01:01:15,490 --> 01:01:19,570
So anyway, I'm really happy about that site,

696
01:01:22,410 --> 01:01:25,310
board with some potential housing.

697
01:01:26,830 --> 01:01:29,070
So I would be in favor of this project,

698
01:01:29,150 --> 01:01:32,310
but this preliminary P&B museum,

699
01:01:32,610 --> 01:01:36,850
and I look forward to hearing about what the final slide.

700
01:01:37,990 --> 01:01:53,770
And correct me if I'm wrong, I thought that if I misunderstand you, because I heard you say this about the property that you're looking at developing it, Jackson and Parker, about the smaller units are more affordable.

701
01:01:53,770 --> 01:02:00,410
and that those are the 1800s square feet as a sort of smaller than what you were looking at

702
01:02:00,410 --> 01:02:06,710
20 something square feet out. I mean 2000 plus something out in a parker, but

703
01:02:07,670 --> 01:02:13,410
so let me ask you this, what are these units, what these units be going for?

704
01:02:14,250 --> 01:02:19,410
What's the space price would be in a force and then based on optionality, you can see them deliver

705
01:02:19,410 --> 01:02:20,850
for the Vives.

706
01:02:21,150 --> 01:02:22,870
Okay, well, I'll quickly switch.

707
01:02:25,570 --> 01:02:25,770
Thank you.

708
01:02:27,050 --> 01:02:27,610
Thank you.

709
01:02:27,790 --> 01:02:28,910
We were depending on the Canadian

710
01:02:28,910 --> 01:02:30,070
Tariff Sunwood.

711
01:02:31,910 --> 01:02:32,590
Oh, sorry.

712
01:02:34,070 --> 01:02:34,330
Sorry.

713
01:02:37,450 --> 01:02:37,690
Sorry.

714
01:02:38,150 --> 01:02:40,070
You know what part of the narrative

715
01:02:40,070 --> 01:02:42,410
do said, it could go up to seven.

716
01:02:43,190 --> 01:02:45,710
For people who are picking, I guess, premium.

717
01:02:48,630 --> 01:02:49,210
I chose to go up.

718
01:02:49,370 --> 01:02:49,910
Poltians and Michigan.

719
01:02:51,150 --> 01:02:51,650
They won't go up.

720
01:02:52,450 --> 01:02:53,750
That would be, that would be a rarity.

721
01:02:53,750 --> 01:02:59,470
And in fact, our preference is to keep the price point down, okay?

722
01:02:59,810 --> 01:03:03,790
There's a real problem with housing affordability and housing insecurity.

723
01:03:05,590 --> 01:03:09,970
So that from poultry's perspective, like it has to be penciled,

724
01:03:10,030 --> 01:03:11,610
and the financials have to make sense.

725
01:03:12,330 --> 01:03:16,810
But our general problems would be to keep the price points in the fours, okay?

726
01:03:17,090 --> 01:03:20,050
Now, people like options and upgrades.

727
01:03:20,230 --> 01:03:23,430
And there's going to be some nice arguments relative to this plan.

728
01:03:23,430 --> 01:03:31,290
So it could go into the five depending, but that's what we're seeing for this project.

729
01:03:32,050 --> 01:03:33,230
I just spoke the 700.

730
01:03:34,490 --> 01:03:39,450
That must have been, that's what we said in the narrative.

731
01:03:39,850 --> 01:03:40,150
I apologize.

732
01:03:40,550 --> 01:03:40,810
That's it.

733
01:03:41,310 --> 01:03:46,330
In here, that would be quite extraordinary at the time of the year when the 700.

734
01:03:46,750 --> 01:03:47,590
It's a lot of options.

735
01:04:00,510 --> 01:04:07,070
I'm not against this project. I would just be concerned that we are moving trees,

736
01:04:08,050 --> 01:04:16,210
close to heritage trees that maybe don't need to be. I have concerns with the two

737
01:04:16,210 --> 01:04:23,390
degrees of traffic going in and out of the road, and I would be I would want to see that

738
01:04:23,390 --> 01:04:29,370
halfway that it's being proposed, paid, not wood chips, from someone who is a disability,

739
01:04:29,910 --> 01:04:38,030
issues with mobility for self-mobile guns, paid with even better but the traffic on Z-Rode is

740
01:04:38,030 --> 01:04:44,190
attention getting for me, I live on Z-Rode, I know what we're talking about here.

741
01:04:50,730 --> 01:04:52,530
Even with the right end, right out.

742
01:04:52,910 --> 01:04:57,990
If it could be made to work, but I agree with the resident who spoke that there needs to be

743
01:04:57,990 --> 01:04:59,710
something that is more difficult.

744
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:20,000
I'm going to do, and it's going to be a problem, and I know there's been fatalities along there. My sister was just hit recently with a granddaily in the car. Some lady coming out of the car wash didn't even see her and drove by. I'm writing this side of her. Pulling out of the car wash, my sister had to write away. So, it's going to end with the gravel trucks, it can get interesting.

745
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:29,910
So I do a question about that barrier, did I redirect it into a sea and it's a two-foot-wide

746
01:05:30,610 --> 01:05:37,630
half-foot-tall barrier to the other, and then I'll have the reflector barriers as well to

747
01:05:37,630 --> 01:05:38,130
delete it.

748
01:05:38,210 --> 01:05:39,650
Do we have something vertical above?

749
01:05:40,350 --> 01:05:40,730
This is not.

750
01:05:41,450 --> 01:05:43,890
Okay, because it doesn't show what you're going to do with that.

751
01:05:44,190 --> 01:05:44,790
That can speak to you.

752
01:05:44,790 --> 01:05:47,750
But at least I didn't see other things.

753
01:05:48,210 --> 01:05:51,290
No, there's not, there's details.

754
01:05:51,290 --> 01:05:56,750
where the barrier curve is going and where it was negotiated as a I guess I'll call it

755
01:05:56,750 --> 01:06:00,290
alternative plan with the road commission but yeah there'll be more details

756
01:06:00,290 --> 01:06:06,190
provided during it will be more than just to step this step by the road commission has

757
01:06:06,190 --> 01:06:10,930
done this in other places around the area and so it will probably most likely follow

758
01:06:10,930 --> 01:06:16,410
suit that it will be an actual barrier and it'll be an actual curve to apply six

759
01:06:16,410 --> 01:06:20,130
just to all sounds about right, finally, tell us how you're right, that was in the years

760
01:06:20,130 --> 01:06:20,550
somewhere.

761
01:06:28,260 --> 01:06:34,320
Any comments on the deviation of commercial building is the other commercial building, any concerns,

762
01:06:34,700 --> 01:06:39,800
but that's on the eastern, the commercial building on the eastern, you know that that other business

763
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:46,800
has no problem with it, that's that I'm a furniture place, if they don't, then I don't have a problem with them,

764
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:54,440
If they aren't a computer of it, then maybe, so they're looking at less, they're looking to instead of having them.

765
01:06:54,700 --> 01:07:01,800
Or I see, you're looking for more room closer to the existing building, business that's there now.

766
01:07:02,460 --> 01:07:09,560
In the reason given was that it's typical of the area, I forget how you put it.

767
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:17,100
But this is the PV, so it has larger setback requirements.

768
01:07:17,100 --> 01:07:25,840
Right. Okay, so the other ones didn't. Well, I just sort of liked to know what the other ones and that would be a question for Doug

769
01:07:30,110 --> 01:07:36,930
So with it were a typical not a p.d. What would the semifinals be for

770
01:07:38,470 --> 01:07:42,370
Yeah, for C2. Let's see here I've got my ordinance

771
01:07:43,870 --> 01:07:47,330
I mean, the only thing cited was due to similar use.

772
01:07:47,530 --> 01:07:48,650
That was the word.

773
01:07:48,910 --> 01:07:50,750
Yeah, what is that?

774
01:07:50,790 --> 01:07:51,750
Give me a second.

775
01:07:52,990 --> 01:07:56,550
Doug, while you're looking, I just wanted to see that I saw on their

776
01:07:56,550 --> 01:08:02,010
cover sheet, I think it was, that the 50 foot was going to go to

777
01:08:02,010 --> 01:08:11,090
30 foot for the building, 28 foot for the driveway and 45 foot for the

778
01:08:11,090 --> 01:08:16,670
parking will set back. So it's all in that area, but it's three different

779
01:08:16,670 --> 01:08:21,410
summers. Yeah, I just pull the site plan you're right. It varies between the

780
01:08:21,410 --> 01:08:30,870
building and the parking. So let's see. So C2 zoning has a 20 foot side

781
01:08:30,870 --> 01:08:36,270
yard setback for buildings and it would be a 10 foot side yard. There's 10

782
01:08:36,270 --> 01:08:46,730
that back for pavement in relation to parking. So what the applicant is proposing as you

783
01:08:46,730 --> 01:08:54,490
had mentioned as a 31 foot to the corner of the building and 28 feet to the edge of the parking.

784
01:08:55,290 --> 01:08:59,070
So if it was owned C2, this would be conforming.

785
01:08:59,070 --> 01:09:05,590
So it's like JN said that it's because it's a PUD.

786
01:09:06,690 --> 01:09:06,990
Yes.

787
01:09:07,090 --> 01:09:12,470
And the rest of the universe, the commercial units along here are not.

788
01:09:16,110 --> 01:09:26,670
Sometimes PUD projects are, you know, have some feature that might not exactly be conforming to the neighbors, like maybe there's additional density.

789
01:09:26,670 --> 01:09:34,870
And so we have that minimum 50 foot setback that can actually be increased at the recommendation of the planning commission in the township board

790
01:09:34,870 --> 01:09:43,510
But a minimum 50 foot setback to provide some buffering between, you know, uses that might not be similar

791
01:09:43,510 --> 01:09:54,370
But in this particular case, you know, the commercial building and the, you know, the furniture place are, they would be very similar.

792
01:09:54,370 --> 01:09:59,950
It would be, if it was being developed as zoned, they would be...

793
01:10:05,950 --> 01:10:20,670
I'm moved to vote that we, uh, can I ask a question before it's moving? So I want to make it looks like the commercial buildings are on better on Jackson Road, are close to the road. Is that correct?

794
01:10:20,670 --> 01:10:27,890
It's hard for me to know what's, do you know what the, well, they also have a line where the parking lot is behind the commercial building.

795
01:10:28,190 --> 01:10:28,970
That's for sure.

796
01:10:29,510 --> 01:10:31,290
Because this is the right place.

797
01:10:31,910 --> 01:10:33,250
It looks like the parking is in front.

798
01:10:33,450 --> 01:10:38,110
So the parking is behind and, and would you say it's within 5 feet from the side?

799
01:10:38,150 --> 01:10:41,570
Oh, the buildings are more than 50 feet off the road.

800
01:10:41,690 --> 01:10:45,010
There goes there is 60 to 70 feet off the road to the face of the building.

801
01:10:45,010 --> 01:10:51,890
Do you are there entrances for pedestrians to come to these retail places often off of Jackson

802
01:10:51,890 --> 01:10:53,070
Rob or

803
01:10:53,070 --> 01:10:53,790
I mean

804
01:10:53,790 --> 01:10:54,750
Obviously

805
01:10:54,750 --> 01:10:59,070
I don't know

806
01:10:59,070 --> 01:11:02,990
So I presume there's an interest coming off the parking lot

807
01:11:02,990 --> 01:11:04,250
Tell me what they yes

808
01:11:04,250 --> 01:11:08,730
And then the second question is are there entrances for pedestrians to come in off Jackson

809
01:11:08,730 --> 01:11:14,210
There are doors facing Jackson, but the goal is to get them to

810
01:11:14,210 --> 01:11:16,890
What's Harper Businesses have two front entrances, right?

811
01:11:17,810 --> 01:11:21,690
So the main entrances would be facing to the south,

812
01:11:21,850 --> 01:11:23,810
but doesn't mean a business couldn't have an entrance,

813
01:11:23,950 --> 01:11:25,590
because there is a door on the north side.

814
01:11:25,670 --> 01:11:27,510
There has to be a huge building code.

815
01:11:27,890 --> 01:11:30,310
See, we've got a problem with that pedestrian thing.

816
01:11:30,670 --> 01:11:32,010
I don't know if you'd like to go down there.

817
01:11:33,210 --> 01:11:33,550
All right.

818
01:11:33,590 --> 01:11:35,990
Just for the record, I get 12,000 steps a day.

819
01:11:36,110 --> 01:11:36,850
So I'm good enough.

820
01:11:38,070 --> 01:11:39,910
You're a pedestrian, you're lying, son.

821
01:11:41,870 --> 01:11:42,030
OK.

822
01:11:42,030 --> 01:11:42,390
All right.

823
01:11:42,650 --> 01:11:43,670
Well, I'm seeing that.

824
01:11:43,670 --> 01:11:51,130
You know, part of what our vision projects in Rome is pedestrian friendly, and the reason

825
01:11:51,130 --> 01:11:56,730
I bring this up is because we would like people in the neighborhood that live a little

826
01:11:56,730 --> 01:12:01,610
bit that way, or a little bit that way, to be able to access the retail and put it right.

827
01:12:02,070 --> 01:12:03,310
Maybe you think about that.

828
01:12:03,430 --> 01:12:07,590
Well, we look at the sidewalks that have happened to be able to do that business chose

829
01:12:07,590 --> 01:12:09,750
to have, and then it's facing north.

830
01:12:12,730 --> 01:12:18,810
It's hard for those smaller units to have two hardware stores for their customers to come in.

831
01:12:19,290 --> 01:12:20,630
Not that they can't do it.

832
01:12:20,850 --> 01:12:23,170
It's just not typically like one of myers, right?

833
01:12:23,810 --> 01:12:26,410
Those the entrances are all facing towards myers,

834
01:12:26,610 --> 01:12:28,410
springarts, they don't face the ports.

835
01:12:29,710 --> 01:12:33,130
All right, we can bring that up at the final pd.

836
01:12:34,630 --> 01:12:35,690
Bob, we had something else.

837
01:12:35,690 --> 01:12:38,190
I did. In one of the response letters,

838
01:12:40,670 --> 01:12:44,790
there were things mentioned in one was the tree preservation

839
01:12:44,790 --> 01:12:51,630
in areas east of the units 11 and 11 and 11, and 11 was the greatest adjustments in

840
01:12:51,630 --> 01:12:57,430
the south and the earth forces to try to save more trees. Can you describe what you've done

841
01:12:57,430 --> 01:12:58,350
in those areas?

842
01:13:01,340 --> 01:13:05,980
Yeah, so the majority of the modifications to the plan and the pulling

843
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:16,220
The units out of this area, there was a large, very more dense than the rest of the site group being in this area, so we moved to the unit.

844
01:13:16,660 --> 01:13:18,500
This is the area that we moved to.

845
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:19,900
You moved to the trees.

846
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:26,240
I mean, I mean, the water, some water, all the things we just did.

847
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:28,740
Can you say more trees in this area?

848
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:39,660
I just have some comments that are not, I mean, I want to say that I like having the

849
01:13:39,660 --> 01:13:46,620
residential and the commercial along Jackson Road, I think this is a very, I support this

850
01:13:46,620 --> 01:13:54,340
PV. I think I'd like to see more density, you know, but you know, from a marketing standpoint,

851
01:13:54,340 --> 01:14:06,580
I think the chances are probably something that markets well in our area and with you comments is going to be doing more of the apartment style.

852
01:14:08,340 --> 01:14:21,400
I'm glad to see that there is a changes in floor plan and so forth because I was a little worried about having like 125 identical units that can get a little tiring.

853
01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:25,260
So I just want to make sure that that continues.

854
01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:33,500
And I think that's comments are really important around really looking at the grading and the trees.

855
01:14:34,060 --> 01:14:38,040
I would like to also see, you know, we talked about multi-modal connections.

856
01:14:39,060 --> 01:14:46,820
I think the plan needs to have show the public bus stops, where they are, how the pathways,

857
01:14:46,820 --> 01:14:53,140
for how, where the crosswalks are, et cetera, for people to be able to get into the

858
01:14:53,140 --> 01:14:54,080
complex.

859
01:14:56,540 --> 01:14:59,700
I think, you know, you know, the other.

860
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:29,080
I think, you know, sort of really understanding how public transit is accessed and how to get into my, uh, should be shown on the site plan. Also, to reiterate with our, uh, new or landscape ordinance, there's the, um, really reducing turf grass to where it's, um, uh, functional and, uh, using, you know,

861
01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:36,260
more of a naturalized, you have a very natural sight, it would be nice to bring that forward.

862
01:15:36,540 --> 01:15:42,820
I really liked all the parking behind, not having parking on both sides of the, or having parking

863
01:15:42,820 --> 01:15:49,240
right off, Jackson Road. I think that's a real advantage. As you get tense, it'd be nice,

864
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:53,360
you know, if you're going to have any restaurant tenants to include some outdoor spaces, it

865
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:59,580
options for that. I also think there needs to be a pedestrian link all the way through.

866
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:07,160
You've done a nice job with putting the recreation space in there, but I think it needs

867
01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:14,960
to connect all the way through that complex so folks that are on the far end don't have to

868
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:20,240
walk all the way around the sideway. They're going to cut through the grass area anyway, so having

869
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:28,920
a pack there probably makes a lot of sense. I would also look at the capacity of that, you know,

870
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:33,940
with three-bedroom units, it's probably going to have a reason there might be, you know,

871
01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:40,480
some younger kids, and just look at the capacity of the place structure. And it might need

872
01:16:40,480 --> 01:16:46,280
two, you know, one for the real younger ones, because the place structures are designed by age,

873
01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:52,660
and there might need to be a couple of place structures to really include like the toddlers.

874
01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:57,560
So I kind of look at that too. And maybe if you connected it all the way through,

875
01:16:57,740 --> 01:17:04,420
there was an opportunity for that. So those were more or less by comments going forward.

876
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:10,060
And I think putting all your, I really appreciate the water sense fixtures because, you know,

877
01:17:10,060 --> 01:17:17,080
being the REU's at 300 gallons per household, it's probably going to be a hundred, you know,

878
01:17:17,140 --> 01:17:24,720
with the water sense extras and so forth. So that really helps out us as, you know,

879
01:17:27,020 --> 01:17:27,300
stretching

880
01:17:27,300 --> 01:17:33,980
our agreement. So anyway, those are my comments from a lot of those I'm just moving forward.

881
01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:39,780
How would additional seating like for restaurants work outside when there's the detention

882
01:17:40,580 --> 01:17:46,700
I think they just have to, or it could be on the sides, you know, and that's a lot.

883
01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:49,100
Well, it would be setbacks.

884
01:17:49,380 --> 01:17:51,500
Well, I mean, that's part of the S.A.

885
01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:54,020
Or would you want it to go into the parking lot?

886
01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:56,480
No, I think the parking lot would be.

887
01:17:56,540 --> 01:17:58,840
So the restaurants would have to be on the S.

888
01:17:59,740 --> 01:18:04,240
And the one in maybe has, because the detention fund comes towards it too.

889
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:07,260
So it's just such a limited space.

890
01:18:07,260 --> 01:18:14,200
But as they look at it, one other thing was, be sure that there's enough room for recycling

891
01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:18,700
and waste if you're entertaining restaurants.

892
01:18:19,060 --> 01:18:23,020
We're also looking at doing some food waste collection in Saia Township.

893
01:18:23,900 --> 01:18:28,300
So that would be, you know, some cards or...

894
01:18:28,300 --> 01:18:32,780
But if we don't have the space to begin with, it's very difficult to do that.

895
01:18:33,220 --> 01:18:33,820
Sorry.

896
01:18:34,380 --> 01:18:34,820
Go ahead.

897
01:18:34,820 --> 01:18:39,220
So I want to reiterate some of the comments about the trees.

898
01:18:42,490 --> 01:18:49,230
There's anything we can do to save more trees, especially on the south boundary.

899
01:18:50,490 --> 01:18:56,390
I know it would be hard to do, but those two buildings, I think, take out a fair amount of trees.

900
01:18:58,110 --> 01:19:01,890
And also, I would ask that on your tree survey.

901
01:19:01,890 --> 01:19:07,970
I would ask that you take a look at this because there's inconsistency in naming.

902
01:19:08,850 --> 01:19:15,850
This is on page 4, we'll page 5, it refers to Norway's spruce in north, where naples,

903
01:19:15,970 --> 01:19:23,370
those are two different species and you have the same, you have the maple species name in there.

904
01:19:23,890 --> 01:19:27,730
So if it really is Norway's spruce, it should have a different name.

905
01:19:27,730 --> 01:19:32,390
As far as I'm concerned, you get rid of well the Norway maple, so they're invasive.

906
01:19:35,780 --> 01:19:43,640
And part of the problem with Norway maple is they have a very shallow root system, and they easily fall over.

907
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:48,920
All of us from the inside, DTO, presentation on the Nokia power.

908
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:53,480
So yeah, clear feature corporates.

909
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:54,580
Clean that up.

910
01:19:55,060 --> 01:19:59,700
Also with, it looks like you're going to have 300.

911
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:11,560
Residents in this, the township is very much focused on transit and funding for transit. I don't think

912
01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:18,260
your contributions are enough, and I would think that the township would want some contributions

913
01:20:18,260 --> 01:20:26,240
for transit, which goes along with what Jan is saying about where are the bus stops. This is a

914
01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:33,860
item in Seattle Township right now. What the bus is going the way is staying. How much is

915
01:20:33,860 --> 01:20:40,500
a cost of Western Iowa Ford and how can people get in and out of there to get tools

916
01:20:40,500 --> 01:20:46,220
public transit along Zeevo or JetBoard Jackson. I think that's very important. Right. I think

917
01:20:46,220 --> 01:20:52,880
where the town was. The town houses feels a walk in and out easily and see oh I can go this

918
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:59,140
papers of our staff, even if it's paint on the pavement that shows there's a

919
01:20:59,140 --> 01:21:01,960
cost of driveway kind of thing. Now we'll go with the road.

920
01:21:02,360 --> 01:21:07,480
Does anyone know if the close to Jackson and Zeeb is there a bus stop there?

921
01:21:08,620 --> 01:21:09,560
I'm a myerside.

922
01:21:10,900 --> 01:21:11,040
Yes.

923
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:11,780
But I don't know.

924
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:13,040
There's a bus stop on Jackson.

925
01:21:13,380 --> 01:21:14,920
I think one Zeeb, yes.

926
01:21:14,980 --> 01:21:17,620
I think just east of the Zeeb, I say.

927
01:21:17,620 --> 01:21:32,180
So where these townhouses are, the fastest way to the Myers bus stop, which is the same as grocery shopping, they have to cross the road, that's going to be their direct line.

928
01:21:32,180 --> 01:21:36,780
And there's a few of the whole signs along Jackson as well that would be a quick access.

929
01:21:37,100 --> 01:21:37,620
Sorry.

930
01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:40,680
Could be the bus stop.

931
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:44,400
The bus stop signs along Jackson would be...

932
01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:45,280
That's probably the most...

933
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:46,220
Depending where you're going.

934
01:21:47,340 --> 01:21:51,880
But we can get them out, get that on there, and move forward with that.

935
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:52,740
We can have that.

936
01:21:52,820 --> 01:21:54,420
Because it is the same thing.

937
01:21:55,440 --> 01:21:58,060
Whether people are walking for...

938
01:21:58,060 --> 01:21:59,840
To get to grocery restaurants.

939
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:08,900
So, is there someone that would like to take the motion?

940
01:22:11,030 --> 01:22:16,170
I moved the move to the group list, but with the planners comment.

941
01:22:16,230 --> 01:22:18,250
Do you want to read the...

942
01:22:18,250 --> 01:22:20,130
Yeah, I just didn't know if you guys wanted to read it.

943
01:22:20,250 --> 01:22:21,670
Do you want to hear it before we...

944
01:22:21,670 --> 01:22:23,090
Oh, just so we're okay.

945
01:22:23,210 --> 01:22:24,110
Well, we're all prepared.

946
01:22:24,550 --> 01:22:24,750
Okay.

947
01:22:25,190 --> 01:22:25,550
All right.

948
01:22:25,890 --> 01:22:26,270
Happy to help.

949
01:22:26,430 --> 01:22:26,830
Good deal.

950
01:22:27,350 --> 01:22:27,710
All right.

951
01:22:27,930 --> 01:22:29,370
The groves of silo.

952
01:22:29,370 --> 01:22:40,410
The seminary PV, OADPV, number 25012, and PSP number 25017 suggested motion, the groves of

953
01:22:40,410 --> 01:22:41,610
soil preliminary PD.

954
01:22:42,150 --> 01:22:47,010
Based upon the information received from the applicant and reflected in minutes of this

955
01:22:47,010 --> 01:22:52,670
meeting, the planning commission finds that the groves of soil preliminary PD plan received

956
01:22:52,670 --> 01:22:58,430
by the township meets the qualification for consideration as a PD as outlined in section

957
01:22:58,430 --> 01:23:02,830
36-245C of the zoning ordinance.

958
01:23:03,110 --> 01:23:05,690
Based upon the information received by the applicant

959
01:23:05,690 --> 01:23:07,690
and reflected in minutes of this meeting,

960
01:23:08,370 --> 01:23:10,910
the planning commission finds that the groves of sale

961
01:23:10,910 --> 01:23:15,330
preliminary PUD plan received by the township on May 26,

962
01:23:16,410 --> 01:23:22,090
2026 meets the findings per cent to section 36-2490

963
01:23:22,630 --> 01:23:25,250
of the zoning ordinance and recommends approval

964
01:23:25,250 --> 01:23:27,110
to the township board for action

965
01:23:27,110 --> 01:23:30,490
on the preliminary plan in making this determination

966
01:23:30,490 --> 01:23:33,850
of following additional conditions shall apply.

967
01:23:34,270 --> 01:23:37,810
This sarns noted in the planar's review dated June 24th,

968
01:23:37,830 --> 01:23:43,130
2026, concerns noted in the engineers review dated June 24th,

969
01:23:43,230 --> 01:23:50,350
2026, paving the pathway, which I have been to also agree on.

970
01:23:50,350 --> 01:23:56,050
I do really like and have enjoyed the pay of the fee to be put on path.

971
01:23:56,790 --> 01:23:58,170
It's very nice.

972
01:23:58,490 --> 01:23:59,350
You don't trip, et cetera.

973
01:24:00,270 --> 01:24:01,430
So, caving the nature path?

974
01:24:01,430 --> 01:24:01,590
Yep.

975
01:24:01,950 --> 01:24:02,910
Paving the nature path?

976
01:24:04,950 --> 01:24:08,270
Adding trees would be a wonderful benefit.

977
01:24:09,210 --> 01:24:12,130
We would always like that.

978
01:24:12,570 --> 01:24:14,370
You can add on those nice again.

979
01:24:16,410 --> 01:24:19,170
Okay, so we could highlight the,

980
01:24:19,170 --> 01:24:29,830
Especially after the planners review, especially the preservation of the landmark trees and adding

981
01:24:29,830 --> 01:24:32,130
the trees on site.

982
01:24:32,870 --> 01:24:38,630
Maximizing you all one of the bus overlays, I think you guys understand some of the notes.

983
01:24:39,110 --> 01:24:42,590
So the multi-modal, multi-modal

984
01:24:45,150 --> 01:24:46,070
connectivity.

985
01:24:46,070 --> 01:24:52,030
Yeah, so we're already on the plant and then also we have to deal with the deviation.

986
01:24:53,030 --> 01:24:58,370
Oh, I'm off of proving the deviation for the building.

987
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:05,620
No, I don't think so, I would just add in the deviation for the 50-foot sub-bathletes.

988
01:25:06,500 --> 01:25:11,880
And also for the parking lot, all the deviations are A, O, K, by us.

989
01:25:13,380 --> 01:25:20,540
Do we need to have any language? I think the motion itself says concerns, noting in the planners' review.

990
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:23,880
That's an insufficient note to deal with that list of seven.

991
01:25:23,880 --> 01:25:30,300
Okay, well there's there's two sections to that too actually there's the seven plus there's a six

992
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:37,100
Everything probably better off just noting addresses seven site plant items. No, this is fine

993
01:25:37,100 --> 01:25:40,280
And and does that it's fine by saying just the planners review

994
01:25:43,130 --> 01:25:48,890
I need to go through every one of those there's 15. Oh 14. Oh, no, I wouldn't expect

995
01:25:49,670 --> 01:25:51,130
I would say

996
01:25:55,770 --> 01:25:59,290
I mean, I'm fine without it because doesn't say it's fine.

997
01:25:59,290 --> 01:26:00,590
Also, where did you set it?

998
01:26:00,590 --> 01:26:02,830
Planners, or is there a plan that I don't need to be interested in?

999
01:26:02,830 --> 01:26:03,290
Yeah, they don't.

1000
01:26:07,850 --> 01:26:09,150
Sure, it's just the first item.

1001
01:26:09,750 --> 01:26:10,610
Mm-hmm.

1002
01:26:11,210 --> 01:26:12,510
We're being part of it.

1003
01:26:14,730 --> 01:26:14,890
Go ahead.

1004
01:26:14,890 --> 01:26:16,410
Yeah, it's right.

1005
01:26:16,650 --> 01:26:18,570
It's a patient of landmark trees and...

1006
01:26:18,570 --> 01:26:20,610
And they maximize the number of...

1007
01:26:22,430 --> 01:26:23,570
Replacing trees, I'm sorry.

1008
01:26:24,250 --> 01:26:24,870
Okay, okay.

1009
01:26:25,150 --> 01:26:25,830
Thank you.

1010
01:26:28,990 --> 01:26:29,450
Nice roll.

1011
01:26:30,430 --> 01:26:30,930
Second.

1012
01:26:31,230 --> 01:26:33,070
Okay, okay, a second.

1013
01:26:33,730 --> 01:26:34,210
Mr. Moore.

1014
01:26:34,550 --> 01:26:34,770
Mr. Moore.

1015
01:26:34,770 --> 01:26:34,850
Mr. Moore.

1016
01:26:35,390 --> 01:26:35,450
Mr. Moore.

1017
01:26:38,620 --> 01:26:40,720
Okay. Well called out.

1018
01:26:47,320 --> 01:26:47,540
Yes.

1019
01:26:47,700 --> 01:26:48,340
And more.

1020
01:26:49,480 --> 01:26:49,660
More.

1021
01:26:51,260 --> 01:26:52,000
Well, yes.

1022
01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:52,760
What's your name?

1023
01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:53,160
Yes.

1024
01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:53,860
Friend.

1025
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:54,660
Yes.

1026
01:26:55,060 --> 01:26:56,000
Hi. Yes.

1027
01:26:56,220 --> 01:26:56,620
Hold words on.

1028
01:26:56,660 --> 01:26:57,040
Yes.

1029
01:26:58,000 --> 01:26:58,280
I'm pushing.

1030
01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:05,640
I'm pushing.

1031
01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:07,480
Can we hear from the road to the ocean?

1032
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:08,240
Yes.

1033
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:08,960
We're not.

1034
01:27:09,280 --> 01:27:10,420
I mean, they're ears.

1035
01:27:10,420 --> 01:27:25,180
starting a big plan, sir. I'm from my understanding, I'm from the road to the mission for this evening to just really, you can get on with this, you know, they know, yeah, they know, it's moving, it's possible also to be able to show them all, it's a great challenge.

1036
01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:30,180
The moment we've been meeting with them, because there's some other things that we need to be with them on.

1037
01:27:30,180 --> 01:27:38,640
So, I want to make sure that they, because they know people are going to be crossing their

1038
01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:39,000
everything.

1039
01:27:40,060 --> 01:27:44,160
We're going to, we're going to, we're going to, I think they're going to add.

1040
01:27:44,760 --> 01:27:45,220
I think they're going to add.

1041
01:27:45,220 --> 01:27:49,680
So we're talking about the whole, we think of Jackson Role, and they've got to start considering

1042
01:27:50,360 --> 01:27:58,520
if we add more of a residential density, how do you make this so that it isn't risk-

1043
01:27:58,520 --> 01:28:02,200
As always, yes, they don't want that risk either.

1044
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:08,600
No, no, and it's still the interior of that to close at 94.

1045
01:28:17,020 --> 01:28:23,320
Okay, so moving on to reports and commission activity, anything from OHM Sally,

1046
01:28:26,210 --> 01:28:26,670
no report

1047
01:28:26,670 --> 01:28:31,570
from me to me, okay, anything else from Carlisle, what rendog?

1048
01:28:31,570 --> 01:28:35,550
Nothing else from me to report.

1049
01:28:35,610 --> 01:28:39,910
I don't have any additional chair report items.

1050
01:28:41,630 --> 01:28:42,590
BOT.

1051
01:28:45,750 --> 01:28:46,710
CBA.

1052
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:49,560
TPP.

1053
01:28:50,520 --> 01:28:51,160
We're just roll.

1054
01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:52,420
I know.

1055
01:28:53,400 --> 01:28:54,240
We go update.

1056
01:28:56,880 --> 01:28:57,360
ESTF.

1057
01:28:59,580 --> 01:29:02,840
No more additional update from last week.

1058
01:29:02,840 --> 01:29:05,820
Okay, WWE, Craig.

1059
01:29:06,660 --> 01:29:09,680
I attended that meeting in the first

1060
01:29:12,440 --> 01:29:13,340
half to seeing.

1061
01:29:13,880 --> 01:29:16,320
Jim, that that was quite an interesting group.

1062
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:24,160
It is, and it seems like to me as the new person in the room,

1063
01:29:25,020 --> 01:29:28,840
that they're still trying to figure out what their goals are,

1064
01:29:28,840 --> 01:29:37,780
and because the mayor of Chelsea is sounds like she's trying to expand it beyond housing

1065
01:29:37,780 --> 01:29:47,760
and transportation focus and get into how to help the communities, right grants,

1066
01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:51,960
funding is

1067
01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:59,960
available for that purpose. She's trying to schedule meetings with other groups to see how

1068
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:08,740
May the down river community conference of any right into the whole thing of

1069
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:13,860
municipalities, I'm not sure what it was.

1070
01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:18,180
And so she's trying to set up meetings at you and the attendants.

1071
01:30:18,700 --> 01:30:18,740
Thank you.

1072
01:30:19,400 --> 01:30:21,300
Thank you.

1073
01:30:21,500 --> 01:30:26,000
I was asked if I would probably need to put on the...

1074
01:30:33,580 --> 01:30:54,920
So it sounds like they're pushing to get the whole western side, combined summer, and others are saying that's not going to happen because some of the north west and south west are not really trying to go in the same direction.

1075
01:30:54,920 --> 01:31:06,100
So I don't know what that's of a new admission, we went from Thursdays to Wednesdays because that group in the south had their own meetings that conflicted with Thursday meetings.

1076
01:31:06,580 --> 01:31:10,640
But only one representative from Sharon has come to a couple of emails.

1077
01:31:10,880 --> 01:31:12,560
So it's hard to get that engaged.

1078
01:31:12,700 --> 01:31:13,940
It's hard to get the engagement.

1079
01:31:15,480 --> 01:31:21,080
That was actually something a suggestion that came out of representative Dingles.

1080
01:31:21,160 --> 01:31:21,560
Yep.

1081
01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:32,240
And she was there, the representative was there at this meeting, and she goes to the other meetings, and she would try to help facilitate that through the meeting.

1082
01:31:32,400 --> 01:31:39,320
What they could make sense, because one of the things is, how do we lobby the commission?

1083
01:31:39,320 --> 01:31:49,960
and the state for what we want and the more we're together, the more obviously we're going to have differences, priorities, etc.

1084
01:31:51,060 --> 01:31:54,160
But you need to kind of support each other's in a way.

1085
01:31:55,440 --> 01:32:00,800
They are not necessarily forthcoming saying, hey, what do you think about that's either?

1086
01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:13,780
So yeah, yeah, I think there's been sort of a long standing sort of whatever, you know, urban role issues and yeah.

1087
01:32:13,780 --> 01:32:15,760
I'm being funny.

1088
01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:25,980
MTC just briefly looked at some other options of decreasing some services by wave and again

1089
01:32:25,980 --> 01:32:35,120
the feedback was it had to do with primarily the Parkland Plaza area and the feedback again

1090
01:32:35,120 --> 01:32:43,420
was resoundingly please don't do that that's I think 25% of there were some statistics around

1091
01:32:43,420 --> 01:32:53,860
but use and it represents, you know, 25% of some of the ways, you know there was a difference between the door to door and the door to door to door.

1092
01:32:53,960 --> 01:33:03,560
Yeah, the door to connector and so forth. But there's a lot of use in that parking plaza and it is more of a three quarters of a mile for many of the users

1093
01:33:03,560 --> 01:33:07,880
to walk all the way to the bus stop on Jackson Road walk.

1094
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:14,560
to get out. Yeah. And I'll fill. That's a good point. I mean, it was good because I think the

1095
01:33:14,560 --> 01:33:20,140
due diligence is to look at what the savings are and so forth and what the impacts are.

1096
01:33:20,580 --> 01:33:30,500
And certainly, we got off. So anyway, the report was reaffirming that we should continue with the

1097
01:33:30,500 --> 01:33:36,880
existing services for the next year and continue to look at, you know, raising

1098
01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:46,380
other funds and, you know, other funding options because of the critical aspects of the way that the bus services.

1099
01:33:47,320 --> 01:33:53,860
So anyway, pre-eprotation Commissioner Moore, you're on for September.

1100
01:33:56,420 --> 01:34:02,660
I'm on October and Walsh's November and Hyde is December.

1101
01:34:03,340 --> 01:34:11,880
I may need just depending on how things go, radiation therapy, I need some food, but it's not supposed to be so bad.

1102
01:34:12,700 --> 01:34:17,760
I can help cover you for September, possibly if you need it, but I can't help with that in forward.

1103
01:34:18,100 --> 01:34:18,680
So, good to know.

1104
01:34:18,940 --> 01:34:21,400
So, I think, I mean, the first, I'm on stamina.

1105
01:34:22,500 --> 01:34:23,360
I'm just giving me a page.

1106
01:34:25,060 --> 01:34:25,360
Okay.

1107
01:34:29,020 --> 01:34:29,500
Okay.

1108
01:34:30,500 --> 01:34:34,580
And Mr. Hyde is going to cover me the last part of the month.

1109
01:34:34,900 --> 01:34:35,420
Oh, okay.

1110
01:34:35,940 --> 01:34:39,340
But I will be out of box all of October.

1111
01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:42,500
I don't know, so I'm kind of shut my calendar down.

1112
01:34:43,800 --> 01:34:44,000
Okay.

1113
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:45,740
In terms of coming to meetings and stuff.

1114
01:34:46,500 --> 01:34:47,720
You have a lot of me to put that in there.

1115
01:34:48,580 --> 01:34:49,240
Keep the meetings.

1116
01:34:49,780 --> 01:34:51,820
I suppose if I feel well,

1117
01:34:52,040 --> 01:34:53,580
I would say that not if you can't pay me,

1118
01:34:53,940 --> 01:34:54,480
but to speak.

1119
01:34:54,500 --> 01:34:54,740
Yeah.

1120
01:34:55,560 --> 01:34:55,780
Yeah.

1121
01:34:55,880 --> 01:34:58,780
I'm sure you recover correctly.

1122
01:34:58,780 --> 01:34:59,960
Yeah, right because that's

1123
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:03,700
That's the biggest issue. That's the most important thing.

1124
01:35:04,280 --> 01:35:16,080
Yeah, okay. I think that's also open up public comments at 7.36. There's no one in town to call. Is there anyone online that would like it?

1125
01:35:16,220 --> 01:35:16,960
It's very interesting.

1126
01:35:19,720 --> 01:35:20,360
Well,

1127
01:35:26,580 --> 01:35:30,840
hello. I want to wish everyone well with their surgery and their treatments.

1128
01:35:31,820 --> 01:35:42,300
And I just want to make time that about Stephen Jackson road traffic area as some of you know,

1129
01:35:42,740 --> 01:35:49,280
I was severely injured there and the road commission did know that they needed a light there.

1130
01:35:49,940 --> 01:35:55,640
And I'm very concerned about people in that area.

1131
01:35:55,640 --> 01:36:03,180
But people don't want camera, they run the double red light, and when they turn into CVS,

1132
01:36:03,180 --> 01:36:04,600
it's very dangerous.

1133
01:36:04,920 --> 01:36:08,620
And historically, you know, Myers paid people off.

1134
01:36:09,180 --> 01:36:11,320
Many people were hurt there, somebody was killed there.

1135
01:36:11,400 --> 01:36:13,940
Before they put a light in, wrote the mission new.

1136
01:36:14,300 --> 01:36:19,980
Same thing, entrance at the gas station, when traffic wasn't so bad, they waited until

1137
01:36:19,980 --> 01:36:21,060
multiple accidents.

1138
01:36:21,060 --> 01:36:28,300
you're going to have a round about on park. And people are going to want to go across there.

1139
01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:34,960
They never like to slow the traffic down, but I see it as a very dangerous situation.

1140
01:36:36,300 --> 01:36:40,400
And because having living there,

1141
01:36:46,040 --> 01:36:54,120
it's a daily, it's a daily problem driving down that section.

1142
01:36:54,120 --> 01:37:00,890
So whatever they do, they better look at it closely and I thank you all and have a good night

1143
01:37:02,140 --> 01:37:03,300
Thank you

1144
01:37:04,800 --> 01:37:05,020
Who

1145
01:37:09,280 --> 01:37:16,580
close public comment second, okay, and that was a more and

1146
01:37:17,820 --> 01:37:20,040
Now get it as hot

1147
01:37:20,040 --> 01:37:29,500
Okay, yeah, thank you very much, Sally. Thank you very much

1148
01:37:30,080 --> 01:37:37,240
Do we vote on? No, we did not. Okay, any further discussion, all those in favor of closing public comment, please say aye

1149
01:37:37,240 --> 01:37:40,560
Any opposed? All right, public comment is closed at 7.30.

1150
01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:45,820
And I did have one more announcement that it meant to me. And that was at Michigan.

1151
01:37:46,140 --> 01:37:46,740
Hey Greg.

1152
01:37:47,960 --> 01:37:48,600
Can you put that?

1153
01:37:48,600 --> 01:37:51,880
I got a question for you. You know any roofers around here?

1154
01:37:52,480 --> 01:37:54,940
Yeah, she doesn't realize you're fine.

1155
01:37:55,000 --> 01:37:55,240
Okay.

1156
01:37:55,540 --> 01:37:56,540
Thank you. Thanks.

1157
01:37:56,540 --> 01:38:04,500
The Township Association, the Michigan Township Association, is having a webinar Wednesday

1158
01:38:05,540 --> 01:38:07,940
on data-centered zoning ordinances.

1159
01:38:08,560 --> 01:38:13,780
And so they are presenting what should go into an ordinance.

1160
01:38:13,940 --> 01:38:17,480
I thought I would attend just to be anybody to attend.

1161
01:38:21,790 --> 01:38:22,430
We knew things.

1162
01:38:22,470 --> 01:38:23,410
It's Wednesday.

1163
01:38:23,410 --> 01:38:32,570
So do you you'd have to go to the township this was MTA's web page and you can sign up for it?

1164
01:38:32,730 --> 01:38:35,950
It's this Wednesday. Two days for now

1165
01:38:35,950 --> 01:38:42,710
On the 26th from noon to one and they also have on their web site sample

1166
01:38:43,630 --> 01:38:47,990
Ordinance and I just thought if we review it to see do we miss anything?

1167
01:38:47,990 --> 01:38:48,770
They

1168
01:38:52,190 --> 01:38:53,090
were a step ahead of

1169
01:38:55,650 --> 01:38:56,530
us to discuss it in

1170
01:38:59,860 --> 01:39:00,300
that way.

1171
01:39:02,300 --> 01:39:02,380
Yeah.

1172
01:39:02,380 --> 01:39:02,940
They were talking.

1173
01:39:03,060 --> 01:39:04,780
Some people were talking about having

1174
01:39:09,230 --> 01:39:10,210
post-poment.

1175
01:39:10,390 --> 01:39:10,930
What is it called?

1176
01:39:11,170 --> 01:39:12,290
Monterey and Monterey.

1177
01:39:13,070 --> 01:39:13,350
Monterey and Monterey and Monterey.

1178
01:39:13,490 --> 01:39:14,930
Limeo just did that with that.

1179
01:39:15,730 --> 01:39:16,090
Yeah.

1180
01:39:16,450 --> 01:39:17,750
I think it's a power plant.

1181
01:39:18,590 --> 01:39:22,040
We might still want to consider what it is.

1182
01:39:22,260 --> 01:39:23,340
I know I can't do it.

1183
01:39:23,340 --> 01:39:27,000
I got a board of way forward meeting and I got lunch.

1184
01:39:27,840 --> 01:39:28,240
Okay.

1185
01:39:28,480 --> 01:39:30,000
So that's Wednesday.

1186
01:39:31,380 --> 01:39:50,880
I mean, yeah, you can notice and I think I've got a couple of notes as we start going into the zoning ordinance because I think Laura made the comment that we may want to do a review of review kind of thing because it's been a while since we've really looked at the ordinance.

1187
01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:55,780
So, you know, catching even with some of the newer things.

1188
01:39:57,280 --> 01:39:59,300
Now that's the time to keep your notes.

1189
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:19,980
So to adjourn, okay? Commissioner Moores, there's a report from Fletter. All right. Any further discussion? All those in favor? You say aye? Aye. Aye. Any opposed? All right. We are adjourned at 741. Thank you, everybody. Wow. That has got to be a question. Have a great night, everybody.