[0:00] Yeah. Thank you.
[0:03] All right. I want to order the
[0:07] September 22nd, 2026
[0:10] um select board meeting. Do we have a
[0:13] motion to accept the agenda?
[0:16] >> So move second.
[0:17] >> Uh so moved by Minister Gilmore,
[0:20] seconded by Mr. Goodrich. All in favor?
[0:25] >> It's unanimous. The slide board
[0:27] encourages an environment of respect
[0:29] during meetings and we encourage all
[0:31] members to interact in a polite manner
[0:33] even when there is a disagreement. We
[0:36] value the participation of our community
[0:38] and want all participants including
[0:40] marginalized and minoritized communities
[0:42] to feel welcomed and respected. We urge
[0:44] our committee members and all who
[0:46] participate to commit to these standards
[0:48] to support and respect our community and
[0:51] to participate in an orderly and
[0:54] peaceful manner. Um, with that, um, do
[0:58] we have any walk-ins? So, a walk-in
[1:01] would be something that's not currently
[1:03] on our agenda. Is anybody here for that?
[1:06] I don't see any. And then I'm also going
[1:08] to remind folks if you're online.
[1:11] If you raise your hand, we will call on
[1:14] you. So, if you have any lock on, you
[1:17] can just raise your hand. I do not see
[1:20] any. So, we are going to move to the
[1:22] report of the town administrator. Jim,
[1:25] >> good evening. Happy equal to everybody.
[1:30] >> We'll start off with weather. Right now,
[1:33] we're following a potential nor eastern
[1:34] impact in the town Thursday to the
[1:36] weekend.
[1:38] Still a little early at this point.
[1:40] Indications of a high wind with gust 40
[1:42] to 50 miles an hour. Waves and rain
[1:44] coming at the end of the week over the
[1:46] weekend.
[1:47] Uh we've been looking at the tides. The
[1:49] tide charts for situ saying nine n and a
[1:51] half foot ties when I watch the news
[1:53] they talk in Boston t
[1:56] can't figure out what the difference is
[1:58] but we've checked probably n [laughter]
[2:02] » 9 foot 9 and a half foot tides we're not
[2:04] too worried about flooding if it gets a
[2:06] little higher than that we will have
[2:06] some minor flooding we are expecting
[2:09] black over
[2:11] issues going to be with 50 mph wind gap
[2:14] and all the leaves on the trees we do
[2:15] expect to see some limbs down we do
[2:16] expect to see some power outages We're
[2:19] going to continue to watch. We'll make
[2:20] some additional information as we get
[2:21] it. Public safety department to make
[2:24] convince new plans to be implemented
[2:25] depending upon the final track of the
[2:27] storm. Once these are in place, we'll
[2:30] put them into operation. One of the
[2:31] questions is going to be whether or not
[2:33] we install the tide gates at the
[2:34] beaches.
[2:36] The issue with installing the tie gates,
[2:38] that's a full day job. Once they go in,
[2:40] they will not come on until it's
[2:41] straight and people still like to access
[2:42] the beaches. So, that'll be the decision
[2:44] we'll make probably late tomorrow
[2:46] afternoon because we'll have to do it on
[2:47] Thursday. But I do want to make the
[2:48] board know if we do put advantage, we're
[2:50] not going to end up taking. Um, so we
[2:53] ask people to keep their eye on the
[2:55] storm. Keep eye on the weather. Please
[2:56] make sure you subscribe. We'll be
[2:57] putting an update tomorrow morning out.
[2:59] Probably put an update out either
[3:01] tomorrow afternoon, not on Thursday
[3:02] morning. Let people know what you get
[3:03] for certainly on the storm track. So if
[3:06] you have your generators that have been
[3:07] sitting in your garage all summer, get
[3:09] them out. Make sure you run them. Check
[3:10] the gas. Make sure everything you have
[3:12] for your storm preparations are done.
[3:14] you have things that might blow around,
[3:16] bring them in, climb down. Just get
[3:18] ready, uh, prepare for the worst, but
[3:20] hope for the best. Unfortunately, I want
[3:22] to advise you that due to the inclement
[3:23] weather forecast this weekend, the
[3:25] fisherman's fest has been postponed
[3:27] until the following week. It'll be on
[3:28] Sunday, October 4th from noon to 5:00
[3:31] p.m. on fish here.
[3:34] Uh, water updates. Uh, we don't do any
[3:36] more reservoir updates now till the
[3:38] spring. We do want to let people know,
[3:39] as I informed the board, that our water
[3:41] system exceeded a drinking water
[3:43] standard. Maximum contaminant level for
[3:46] water disinfection byproduct testimonial
[3:49] routine monitoring drinking water
[3:51] contaminant on August 19th. Level of
[3:53] total trial methane PTHM average at our
[3:57] system sampling locations
[3:59] 149 first batch was 99 micrograms per
[4:02] liter which is parts per billion. The
[4:05] level of TTM average sampling on seminal
[4:07] front was 86. The standard is 80. Sister
[4:11] concentrations are determined by
[4:12] averaging their concentrations and all
[4:14] samples collected at each sample
[4:15] location or for the past 12 months.
[4:18] Notifications were started and sent out
[4:19] this morning. People have any questions
[4:21] or concerns, they can contact your water
[4:23] department
[4:24] 875.
[4:27] Also, DPW, we're back working on the
[4:29] beach. Have to mind it. Residents should
[4:30] be careful if they're accessing that
[4:32] beach equipment. We're working on
[4:34] reventment. That work is scheduled to be
[4:36] completed in November. If you're in the
[4:38] area of St Cliff tomorrow, Hughes Road
[4:41] on Monday, we found that we had a
[4:43] problem with one of our drains on Hughes
[4:44] Road. We made some temporary repair
[4:46] silos on Friday, some temporary repairs.
[4:49] Permanent repairs we made tomorrow,
[4:50] Wednesday the 23rd. Hughes Road will be
[4:52] closed for portion of the day. So,
[4:54] please use uh alternative methods or be
[4:57] careful if you're in that area. The work
[4:59] is expected to take the most of the day
[5:01] will be replaced in the east room.
[5:04] Library update. All rectum doors at the
[5:06] library have now been upgraded for
[5:08] handicap accessibility with electronic
[5:10] controls. That's all been done. Tom
[5:12] Clark update. I'll let Kathy do that
[5:14] next. She does a much better channel
[5:16] than I do. Uh the board has received
[5:18] multiple calls and emails about why the
[5:20] windows haven't been functioning.
[5:21] Reached out to the operator. There's a
[5:23] problem due to fault converters. Had a
[5:26] set off for repairs. This could take
[5:28] several weeks, but we will let you know
[5:29] when we hear back them and those
[5:30] expected to be made. Remind a special
[5:33] time meeting. Monday, October 19th, 7
[5:36] o'clock in the gym. Friday, October 9th
[5:38] is the deadline to register.
[5:42] Central Community Christmas, excuse me,
[5:45] must remind people that soon time to
[5:47] bundle up. Community Christmas has a
[5:49] limited supply of winter coats and gear
[5:51] available for families in need from our
[5:52] coats for Carolyn Coke coat drive held
[5:55] on Carolyn Martin and her generous
[5:57] spirit. Central Community Christmas
[5:59] provides confidential assistance to
[6:01] local families throughout the year,
[6:03] including help of a variety of essential
[6:04] needs. If your family can use support,
[6:06] including winter coats, please visit
[6:08] situ community.org
[6:10] and click the request help.
[6:13] Lost tower chimes. Uh we've been
[6:15] informed the loss of Tower Chimes going
[6:17] off late in the evening for no apparent
[6:18] reason. Historic Society is aware of the
[6:21] issue, is working to address it, and we
[6:22] hope to have this addressed before the
[6:24] end of this week. We apologize to
[6:26] anybody this may be waking up at night
[6:27] but we are working on it as best we can.
[6:30] Uh finally for tonight because I know we
[6:32] have a long meeting. The board of health
[6:34] has three upcoming flu clinics. The
[6:36] first is this Friday September 25th at
[6:39] the COA from 9:00 a.m. to 12:00 p.m.
[6:43] There's one on October 17th which is a
[6:45] Saturday also with the COA from 9 to 1.
[6:49] One on November 7th from 9:00 a.m. to
[6:51] 12:00 p.m. that will be at the Citro
[6:53] Community Building. Pre-registration is
[6:55] required. There's a link available on
[6:57] our website or you can call the
[6:59] department of Florida Health and make a
[7:01] reservation. That's all I'm going to
[7:03] give you tonight. Happy to answer any
[7:04] questions.
[7:05] >> Thank you, Jim. Do you have any
[7:07] questions?
[7:09] >> No questions.
[7:10] >> We do not have any.
[7:13] >> All right. Um,
[7:15] first up, we have Gardner. We are
[7:19] discussing in voting the November 3rd,
[7:22] 2026 state election,
[7:25] early voting and in-person hours. And
[7:27] we're also talking about an appointment
[7:29] of an additional additional election
[7:32] poll workers.
[7:33] >> Yes, it will be busy, right?
[7:35] >> Yes. Good evening everybody.
[7:38] >> Thank you. Um so yes, the November 3rd
[7:41] um state election is
[7:44] mandated the date and the hours. It's
[7:47] informality for you to approve the
[7:49] hours. Um 7:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. and at
[7:54] SituA High School gym at 606 Chief
[7:56] Justice Cushing Highway and also the
[7:58] early voting um and in-person um
[8:02] actually the in-person early voting
[8:04] hours. They're kind of mandated best um
[8:07] based on population. So we're at 19,000
[8:10] just under 20,000. They recommend we do
[8:12] it during business hours and two weekend
[8:16] hours. Six hours total for the weekend,
[8:19] three hours on Saturday or three hours
[8:20] on Sunday. And I am asking for 6 hours
[8:23] on Saturday. Um 8:00 a.m. to 2 p.m. on
[8:26] the 17th of October and on the 24th of
[8:29] October. And then during business hours
[8:31] the two weeks prior to the election,
[8:32] which ends at 11:45 on the 30th of um
[8:37] October.
[8:38] So, and it's about the additional pole
[8:41] workers. That's next, I guess. Um, we
[8:43] have workers that come and go. Some
[8:45] can't work, some can. So, we always like
[8:47] to keep a running list of appointed
[8:49] election workers, especially for early
[8:51] voting check-in. Those ballots that we
[8:53] mail out, they have to be checked in
[8:55] when they come back on election day. So,
[8:57] basically, my supplemental list are just
[8:59] extra workers that haven't been
[9:00] appointed on the annual June appointment
[9:02] list. Um, that have voiced an interest
[9:04] in working the polls, which is great
[9:07] because I am a little short for early
[9:08] voting ballots this um at the polls. um
[9:11] at this election. So those are the
[9:13] additional three that I'm requesting
[9:15] that you um appoint to
[9:18] >> good to see when Steve and B.
[9:20] >> Yes. And then Eileen too from the church
[9:22] >> and yeah,
[9:24] >> they both approached me. I'm like sure.
[9:27] Um so yes.
[9:28] >> Okay. So I guess we could Do you want to
[9:30] do a motion? We have a suggested motion.
[9:33] >> Do you want to do Yes. We have three
[9:35] parts of it, right?
[9:36] >> Okay.
[9:38] move that the state election be held on
[9:40] Tuesday, November 3rd, 2026 at the high
[9:43] school gym
[9:45] justice highway. Full hours are 7:00
[9:48] a.m. to 8:00 p.m. Uh vote in person
[9:51] early voting location hours for the
[9:54] state election November 3rd, 2026. Early
[9:57] voting will take place at Town Hall 600.
[9:59] Chief Justice Trisha Highway beginning
[10:02] on two Saturdays, October 17th, 2026 and
[10:06] October 24th, 2026, 8:00 a.m. to 2:00
[10:09] p.m. And during regular weekday business
[10:12] hours, October 19th, October 30th,
[10:16] Monday, Wednesday, and Thursday, 8:30
[10:18] a.m. to 4:45 p.m. and Tuesday, 8:30 a.m.
[10:22] to 7:30 p.m. And Friday 8:30 a.m. 11:45
[10:29] a.m.
[10:30] >> Moved by MGO with second by Dr. All in
[10:34] favor.
[10:36] >> And I think you have warrants for us to
[10:38] sign.
[10:40] >> Yes. Okay.
[10:43] >> And just just a note if I may
[10:45] >> and we need a second.
[10:46] >> Oh, sorry.
[10:48] We're going to move to appointment the
[10:50] following election workers for the town
[10:52] of Sigwood's clerk supplemental list
[10:56] night and Charlene Richard
[10:58] >> moved by Michel by Dr.
[11:01] Senko. All in favor? I. And thank you
[11:06] for those three. We appreciate their
[11:10] >> Oh. Oh, did you?
[11:11] >> I did. Well, I was sorry.
[11:14] >> The This is actually could be more for
[11:16] Jim. You may know as well. So, the early
[11:19] voting changes were made by the state
[11:22] or any additional funding
[11:24] to the state. So, we're taking So, this
[11:26] is now I point I love all this. It's
[11:29] fabulous. early on. I'm just trying to
[11:30] have a separate list for later for
[11:33] unfunded mandates by the state. So, I
[11:34] just want to
[11:35] >> need a bigger piece.
[11:36] >> So, um they actually reimburse me for
[11:41] postage and I think they do reimburse me
[11:44] for staffing and they reimburse me for
[11:46] it before the poll hours open from my
[11:48] staff um at the election, not to do with
[11:51] early voting. So, I'm trying to think
[11:53] out loud here. Um,
[11:56] I believe they reimbured me for inperson
[11:58] early voting staff. We get fully
[12:00] reimbured.
[12:01] >> I think so. I believe so. If I'm
[12:03] thinking I know the postage, yes, for
[12:04] mailing it out
[12:06] >> and yes, because I did I do postage day
[12:09] and they asked me how many people worked
[12:10] and what the hours were payroll. Yes.
[12:12] So,
[12:13] >> I'm double checking everything.
[12:15] >> No, that's good. That's the point. And
[12:16] about the ballots, the ballots are
[12:18] supposed to be um the vote by mail
[12:20] absentee ballots is supposed to be
[12:21] arriving tomorrow. So, any requests we
[12:24] have on file, we're going to get those
[12:25] out ASAP. Um, please return. I'm asking
[12:28] people, please don't wait till the
[12:30] November 3rd to return your ballot. It's
[12:32] a lot of processing and filing that goes
[12:33] along with the whole process. They're
[12:35] secured every night. We keep them locked
[12:37] down. It's all good. So, I thank
[12:40] everybody. I appreciate everything you
[12:42] guys do. And now I have three new
[12:44] election workers. This is great. So,
[12:47] >> thank you. Any other questions?
[12:49] >> Thank you. You work very, very hard.
[12:51] There's my falling butt after that last
[12:54] election.
[12:55] >> That was a that was a tough one, but
[12:57] thank you. Yes. But thank you very much
[12:58] for everything. I appreciate it.
[13:00] >> Thank you.
[13:00] >> Yes. Thank you.
[13:01] >> Have a good time.
[13:03] >> Sorry about that with the questions. All
[13:05] right. Um, next we have um Nick, I see
[13:09] you back there.
[13:11] We have a recommendation discuss and
[13:13] vote recommendation from BOA review
[13:15] commission on October 19, 2026 special
[13:18] town meeting article relevant the
[13:20] amendments to the waterways general by
[13:23] remember this is the general bylaw that
[13:26] did not pass the last time we took out
[13:29] the charter fishing component of it.
[13:32] It's everything else. So it's a cleanup.
[13:35] So, Nick, do you wanna
[13:37] do you want to come up and say did the I
[13:41] guess just let us know. Did the bylaw
[13:43] review committee have um it looks like
[13:46] they're recommending approval. Did you
[13:48] have any comments?
[13:49] >> My presentation is really short.
[13:52] >> Okay, we love short presentation.
[13:53] >> It was recommended unanimously for
[13:56] approval by a vote of three and a
[13:58] >> Okay,
[13:58] >> they all love the cleanup.
[14:00] >> Okay,
[14:02] thank you.
[14:02] >> Questions?
[14:03] I do not have any questions.
[14:06] >> We appreciate your time on it.
[14:08] >> Thank you.
[14:10] >> Yeah, it seems to be cleaning up
[14:12] language.
[14:13] >> It's a lot. It's all the clean up.
[14:15] >> And the only change that I saw they made
[14:17] is that the uh the alternate member can
[14:20] vote if there's a somebody missing,
[14:23] right? Yeah.
[14:24] >> That's the only game. Yeah, we the
[14:27] waterways.
[14:28] >> I'm sure I'm going to vote in favor of
[14:30] this, but I would encourage
[14:33] uh for a future time that we do finally
[14:35] resolve the language for charter
[14:38] fishing, but I know it's not
[14:40] >> I I would agree with you. I think it's a
[14:42] tough ask from
[14:44] >> challenges are challenges. It's a tough
[14:46] aspin. We don't want to we don't want to
[14:48] hold all these important changes, but I
[14:51] just want
[14:53] my in there and we still should do
[14:56] something because that's a big business
[14:58] aspect for the harbor and for the
[15:01] restaurants that charter fishing is it's
[15:04] thriving business as so we need to
[15:07] recommend.
[15:07] >> I agree. I agree. I agree.
[15:11] Okay. Um let's see. Do we need to have
[15:16] you vote them at the end if you want?
[15:17] >> Let's just vote. You want you guys What
[15:19] do you guys want to do? Vote them at the
[15:20] end.
[15:21] >> I can't see the motion.
[15:23] >> Move to the recommendation of the bylaw
[15:25] review commission and support the
[15:27] special town meeting article to amend
[15:29] various sections of the general bylaw
[15:30] relevant to waterways.
[15:32] >> Okay. Moved by um Mr. Gilmore, second by
[15:36] Dr. Konoseno. All in favor?
[15:38] >> I think that's unanimous. Yes.
[15:42] >> All right. Next we have a presentation
[15:45] um and discussed potential vote on
[15:49] Southshore Recycling Cooperative
[15:52] um househazardous waste depot project in
[15:55] our municipal agreement.
[15:58] >> Hello.
[16:02] » Thank you.
[16:06] » Get one too if you want. So you are the
[16:08] executive director of the Southshore
[16:11] Recycling Cooperative.
[16:12] >> Yes, I'm Claire Galowski. I'm the
[16:14] executive director of Southshore
[16:15] Recycling Cooperative. We are an 18 town
[16:19] uh government organization. Um we've
[16:22] been around for 28 years. Um and um see
[16:27] Oh, good. You have the um
[16:30] >> we do have your
[16:31] >> slides up. Fantastic.
[16:33] >> And we have it all in our backup. We
[16:36] >> Oh. Oh, wonderful. Okay. So I can zip
[16:38] right
[16:40] version.
[16:41] >> Okay. So you
[16:43] >> So we are proposing to construct a
[16:45] permanent hazardous waste facility uh in
[16:47] handover at their transfer station. Um
[16:50] currently um well I'll go along it'll
[16:54] replace six of the 12 events that we
[16:57] currently host. Situit hosts in June
[17:00] generally um along with cohasset every
[17:04] year. All residents of all SSRC towns
[17:07] can go to any of the 12 collections.
[17:10] And uh right now we're only open spring
[17:14] and fall. This proposal would be to be
[17:17] open um summer and winter as well. So it
[17:21] would spread out the collections
[17:22] throughout the year. We would have one
[17:24] additional event per year. So there
[17:27] would be a total of 13 events. Um, and
[17:31] all SSRC residents would continue to
[17:33] have access to all of them. So, tonight
[17:36] I'm asking if you would sign an
[17:37] intermunicipal agreement. Um, there are
[17:40] 12 towns that are participating in this.
[17:42] They've all sent letters of support to D
[17:45] so we could get a grant to construct it.
[17:47] They've all, um, thrown in a few
[17:50] thousand dollars to in matching funds
[17:53] towards the construction of the
[17:54] facility. Um, so, uh, we've been working
[17:58] on it for four years. Um, and now we're
[18:01] at the point of bringing the
[18:02] intermunicipal agreement around. Uh, I
[18:05] it's based very closely on another one
[18:09] that was d that was uh adopted in 2023
[18:12] by nine towns up around Lexington that
[18:15] have a similar operation. Um, it was uh
[18:20] signed, you know, reviewed by nine town
[18:22] councils, city councils, um, and adopted
[18:26] by nine municipalities. So, I started
[18:28] with that. It was it fit very well with
[18:31] what we were trying to do and I just
[18:33] changed the details to reflect our local
[18:36] um situation.
[18:38] So, next slide, please. Um the the
[18:41] agreement will only be effective if all
[18:44] 12 towns sign it. Um we have four towns
[18:48] so far that have signed it. Um Hansen,
[18:50] Rockland, Kingston, and Ducks.
[18:54] Um, we need to have it signed um before
[18:58] we start reviewing construction bid.
[19:00] We're going to be going out to bid, I
[19:02] hope, next week. Um, we need to award at
[19:06] our October 28th meeting. Um, we have
[19:09] been going, this has been going on for
[19:11] four years and we're running up against
[19:13] deadlines at this point, including the
[19:14] grant deadline. We're in a second
[19:16] extension on our grant and my
[19:18] retirement.
[19:21] I'm intending for the name.
[19:22] >> Yeah. Well, my intention was to retire
[19:24] in January because I thought this thing
[19:25] would be all up and running by last
[19:28] winter, but you know, as construction
[19:30] projects tend to go, we've had a lot of
[19:32] delays. So, now we're kind of getting up
[19:35] against the um against the wall here, do
[19:39] or die. So, um and if the bids come in
[19:43] and we don't have enough money to cover
[19:45] them, we won't do the project either.
[19:47] I'm not going back to any towns for any
[19:49] more money. Not certainly not at this
[19:51] stage. Not I I understand everybody's
[19:54] budgets are are in tough shape and uh
[19:56] you know so we are working very hard to
[19:59] keep it under budget. Uh the engineer I
[20:02] should have had the cost proposals by
[20:03] now. These they're still they're
[20:05] probably going to be here tomorrow. I
[20:07] keep hearing tomorrow. So um but we were
[20:10] it was looking good. So um I think we're
[20:13] going to we're going to make it on that.
[20:16] Um, currently, as I already mentioned,
[20:18] we we host 12 events a year. It provides
[20:21] for safe disposal of nasty stuff that
[20:24] you really do not want going in your pit
[20:26] or in your uh groundwater. Um, people
[20:29] need to have opportunities to be able to
[20:31] do this to to dispose of their nasty
[20:34] stuff properly. Um,
[20:37] it's also a worker safety issue. As you
[20:39] probably know, you had a fire in your
[20:41] trash pit just a couple of months ago
[20:44] from something put in there that
[20:45] shouldn't have gone in there. So, and
[20:47] there have been other in instances of
[20:49] this type of thing, too. Um, what
[20:52] started this whole thing is four years
[20:54] ago, we had five collection events
[20:56] scheduled for the fall. And about three
[20:59] weeks before our first event, the vendor
[21:02] notified me that they couldn't staff
[21:04] them. uh they couldn't get enough C CDL
[21:07] drivers to work on Saturdays, so they
[21:10] canceled all our events. So, that was
[21:12] kind of a major gut punch. Um so, once I
[21:16] recovered from that, put my put the fire
[21:19] in my hair out, uh we did manage to uh
[21:22] scrge together a um a season with five
[21:26] events, but you know, they were in the
[21:27] evening, they were on weird days. So, it
[21:30] really didn't work out well. was a
[21:32] wakeup call because we are losing
[21:34] vendors. Back then we had four vendors
[21:36] on state contract. We are now down to
[21:39] two. Um and I'm talking to colleagues
[21:42] around the state. Everybody's having
[21:44] trouble scheduling events. Um there's just more demand for it than
[21:48] there is capacity. It's a tough
[21:50] business. Um
[21:53] there are uh Lexington, as I mentioned,
[21:55] has a similar model. There's also a
[21:57] facility up in um Devons. They've both
[22:00] been operating for many years. Devons
[22:02] has been about 20 year no 15 years and
[22:05] Lexington I think has been around for
[22:07] 20. It's called the minute hazardous
[22:09] waste facility. Um and I have been
[22:12] consulting with them about this.
[22:16] So um this the facility should provide
[22:20] some stability. It would make it easier
[22:22] for vendors to staff our events because
[22:25] we wouldn't be competing for the spring
[22:26] and fall dates. Um, we would also have
[22:29] operational efficiencies because we
[22:31] would be storing the drums on site until
[22:35] it's convenient for them to come and
[22:36] pick them up. We wouldn't ship any
[22:38] partial drums. We would save them and
[22:40] fill them up in the next event. So, I
[22:43] estimate that would result in about 15%
[22:46] cost savings. Um, it would also provide
[22:49] year- round access to your residents. I
[22:51] do get a lot of calls in the summer and
[22:53] winter, I'm moving, you know, what do I
[22:55] do? So I have to send them far away for
[22:58] a lot of money. Um
[23:01] and it also has the potential for paid
[23:03] access to unserved populations like
[23:06] people out of town out of out of the
[23:09] region. We could charge sir charge to
[23:11] help offset the costs. Um so I'm not
[23:15] going to go through this whole history.
[23:17] Just suffice it to say we've been
[23:18] working on it for four years. Um and
[23:21] we've had a lot of delays and but we are
[23:24] here now. It's looking like it's it's
[23:27] very much possible happen. Um, next
[23:30] slide. So, the next things we have to do
[23:32] are get the 12 municipalities to sign.
[23:34] As I said, four have already done so.
[23:38] And as far as you guys are concerned,
[23:40] um, each town would need to have a
[23:44] member appointed to a hazardous waste
[23:47] depot council. they would make decisions
[23:49] about how costs would be allocated. Um,
[23:52] scheduling, uh, you know, other details
[23:55] about the operation of the facility. Um,
[23:58] which I, you know, I would certainly
[24:00] provide them with with options to vote
[24:03] on. So, but they would be ultimately
[24:05] responsible for determining the fate of
[24:09] all that stuff. So, excited. Um, now
[24:12] here's the rub. Uh we have a very low
[24:16] cost contract right now relatively um
[24:19] with Clean Harbors which happened after
[24:21] this proposal started being formulated.
[24:25] Um they they bid very low on our last
[24:27] contract because they are local and they
[24:30] wanted to keep they wanted to be serving
[24:33] the local towns which they hadn't been
[24:34] up until now. So we are paying 30% under
[24:39] the market rate right now. Um we're in
[24:41] our we'll be in our last extension in
[24:43] fiscal 28. So we will be paying below
[24:47] market. Um I don't want to anybody in
[24:50] any of the towns to count on that rate
[24:52] being extended beyond fiscal 28. So
[24:55] everybody needs to be ready for you know
[24:58] probably a 45 50% cost increase with or
[25:01] without the depot.
[25:02] >> Um
[25:03] >> and that is the um 2400
[25:07] >> would go up 60%. Is that the number that
[25:10] you're quoting?
[25:10] >> No. So, what this is about the So, the
[25:14] depot I I was expecting that the
[25:17] additional cost for having a permanent
[25:19] facility would be offset by paying by
[25:21] the drum and having lower operating
[25:23] costs. Unfortunately, since we're
[25:25] already paying so such a low rate, Clean
[25:27] Harbors wouldn't negotiate anything any
[25:29] lower for the depot for the low for the
[25:32] short term. So, for the short term, uh,
[25:35] we will be looking at an average of
[25:37] $2,400 per town, per participating town
[25:41] in additional costs, which, you know, in
[25:43] the grand scheme of things, I know
[25:46] everybody's budget is bust, but, you
[25:48] know, it's if it prevents one accident
[25:51] from happening, there's your savings
[25:52] right there. Um, so I am recommending
[25:56] that people swallow that. Um I know that
[26:00] Kevin my he used to be our chairman is a
[26:04] little hesitant about that but um but
[26:08] you there is funding available through
[26:10] recycling dividends program and I also
[26:12] have a proposal to to um have a small
[26:16] resident co-ayment that would offset all
[26:19] the additional costs um if the council
[26:23] voted to do that. The co-ayment I'm
[26:25] proposing would be similar to Brain
[26:28] Trees. they've been doing a co-ayment
[26:29] for many years. Um $10 to $30 depending
[26:33] on how much people bring. So that could
[26:36] offset the costs if if towns were really
[26:39] in a bind. Um but after fiscal 28 when
[26:44] um assuming that we don't get another
[26:46] low bid from Clean Harbors which I
[26:49] wouldn't I definitely would not assume
[26:50] that um because it was based on one one
[26:53] person in the organization as far as I
[26:55] can tell who really wanted to uh to get
[26:58] us in there. Um
[27:01] I uh
[27:03] the in fiscal 29 the the costs will be
[27:06] much more on par with what they would be
[27:09] if you continued with the popup events
[27:11] but ei would have more assurance of
[27:13] getting dates in the future and um
[27:17] continued service year round. So these
[27:21] are the numbers um by town um it shows
[27:26] okay so it's a lot of numbers. So the
[27:28] first column is household. The second
[27:30] column is what your fixed cost. So you
[27:32] have fixed costs which would be in added
[27:36] to by the depot for insurance,
[27:38] maintenance and a reserve fund and
[27:41] things like that. Um, right now the
[27:43] fixed costs only encompass the setup fee
[27:46] and the trash receptacles, trash and
[27:49] roll the rolloffs, the you know boxes
[27:53] and the extra and the you know
[27:55] containers that they have to dispose of.
[27:57] So right now you're paying about$,750
[28:02] uh if we if the costs if the fixed costs
[28:06] are allocated even uh so that each town
[28:09] pays what they had been paying plus the
[28:13] same amount of money. Does that make
[28:14] sense to you? So the cost increase would
[28:17] be the same across the board. That's one
[28:18] way of slicing it up. There are there
[28:20] are a number of different ways I've come
[28:21] up with, but uh for the purpose of of
[28:24] showing this um presentation, every town
[28:27] would pay an additional 2400 over what
[28:29] they're currently paying. Uh and that
[28:32] could change based depending on how the
[28:34] depot the council votes to allocate the
[28:38] costs. Um the under the variable costs,
[28:42] um currently we're paying about $55 a
[28:46] car, which is our low discounted rate.
[28:49] The state contract currently is about
[28:51] $86 a car. Um so that shows that if if
[28:55] you were paying the going rate, you'd be
[28:56] at over 16,000 a year for just the um
[28:59] just the variable costs. Um I estimate
[29:03] based on how many drums we generate that
[29:06] the um drum the cost if we start
[29:09] painting by the drum would would be
[29:11] reduced by about 15% to about $71 per
[29:16] car.
[29:18] So, um, those are the those are the most
[29:21] relevant numbers that I wanted to point
[29:23] out. So, I have more information. I
[29:26] don't want to take up too much time. So,
[29:29] if you have any questions, I'm happy.
[29:30] >> I appreciate the pres.
[29:33] Thank you. Any
[29:36] >> just
[29:38] a couple weeks ago, right?
[29:39] >> Yeah, just the other day.
[29:42] >> 3.
[29:44] >> We had 325.
[29:46] Um they're um you know we we have staff
[29:50] the SSRC has two staff people that that
[29:53] do these events and they really they really have it down and um you know
[29:58] they we also need help from the towns
[30:01] that are hosting it too and we will
[30:03] continue to need help at the handover
[30:05] site. Um but it went very well. It was
[30:08] very busy. 325 cars a lot of them came
[30:10] from Situit.
[30:13] um I don't know like I I don't remember
[30:15] exactly about 30 maybe 35 cars came from
[30:19] um situ so so our reciprocity um
[30:23] agreement is very well utilized about
[30:26] 40% of our attendance is people that go
[30:29] from one town to a different town to um
[30:33] >> one of my major one of my only questions
[30:35] I mean I support this I don't know how
[30:38] many times I've had to go to different
[30:39] events like this in the past clean up
[30:41] stuff with my mom my grandma at my house
[30:43] and we always have hazardous waste that
[30:45] can't go to the dump unless you're
[30:46] cheating and want to cheat. So I think
[30:48] it's a great idea. It's a great project.
[30:51] My I guess my main question was and you
[30:54] sort of covered a little bit in in the
[30:56] risk assessments. Um you talked about a
[30:59] little bit of the question of possible
[31:00] decommission. What what would happen if
[31:03] in future this has to be decommissioned
[31:06] and how some costs like that because
[31:08] those aren't built into this year
[31:11] >> that would Yeah. Well, hopefully we
[31:12] would have a sufficient reserve fund
[31:14] because I have a reserve fund in the budget that
[31:19] >> I hope this will be a long term, but
[31:20] just so there is there is a concept of
[31:22] what could happen if there was a
[31:24] decommissioning in the future.
[31:26] >> Yeah. Yes. Yes. [clears throat] I mean,
[31:28] I don't have it. I don't have it down to any detail, but um
[31:32] >> my main question was, you know, is there
[31:34] some cont?
[31:36] >> Oh, yes. And Handover signed an
[31:38] intergovernmental agreement with the
[31:40] SSRC to host it. And you know, they
[31:42] wouldn't have assigned it if it didn't
[31:43] have a decommissioning clause,
[31:45] naturally. I mean, it's not a big
[31:48] facility. It's only um a thousand square
[31:50] feet um with a canopy and and a fence
[31:54] around it. So, it's it's not it's not a
[31:57] huge thing. It'd be a lot of scrap
[31:58] metal.
[32:00] Um, and yeah, that would probably be the
[32:04] main type of thing that would have to be
[32:07] disassembled or, you know, potentially
[32:10] sold if it's still in shape.
[32:12] >> So, I mean, you've been obviously doing
[32:16] this for years and years and to me it
[32:19] always comes back to annualize pound
[32:20] foolish.
[32:23] >> Exactly.
[32:24] >> And trying to prevent something.
[32:27] Um, and as you say, um, you know, making
[32:31] sure you get some of the stuff out of
[32:32] there when you need to and having
[32:34] access. So, through all those years, how
[32:36] have you seen the usage? I'm assuming
[32:38] the answer is yes, very softball here,
[32:41] but the usage has been going up
[32:43] tremendously.
[32:44] >> I wouldn't say tremendously. Um, but it
[32:47] has it has gone up. We're still not I
[32:49] mean, if if every single person who ever
[32:51] moved went to a hazardous waste state,
[32:54] our our towns would all be broke. I
[32:56] don't honestly know what happens to a
[32:58] lot of the stuff because we're only
[32:59] catching we're not catching even half of
[33:02] it in this in this model. But um
[33:09] you know it's just like roulette you
[33:12] know the more and the more opportunities
[33:14] people have to get rid of stuff the less
[33:16] risk there will be of having catastrophe
[33:19] like you know a fire at a transfer
[33:21] station or in a trash truck. I mean
[33:24] there was many years ago I don't know if
[33:25] anyone remembers in Norwell um some
[33:28] incompatible chemical were thrown in the
[33:30] trash and you guys you you have a
[33:33] transfer station but a lot of your
[33:34] residents use c use curbside services
[33:37] subscription and they they reacted in
[33:40] the trash truck when it compacted them
[33:42] and it it created a plume of toxic uh
[33:46] gas that required the the evacuation of
[33:49] a threeb block radius sent a few people
[33:52] to the hospital. So, those are the kind
[33:54] of things we hope to avoid. And of
[33:56] course, if your groundwater becomes
[33:58] contaminated from from having it put
[34:00] down the drain or down in the ground,
[34:03] but that's another risk you want to
[34:06] avoid. So, [clears throat]
[34:08] >> did I answer your question?
[34:10] >> Yes.
[34:10] >> Good. Sometimes I go off on tangents
[34:13] >> too often. Did you all have questions?
[34:18] >> Was that
[34:20] other question?
[34:21] >> I just have one comment. This is a
[34:22] no-brainer.
[34:24] >> Oh, Rockland Select Board said the same
[34:27] thing.
[34:27] >> This is a matter of environmental
[34:30] safety. It appears that by creating this
[34:34] centralized depot, it's even going to
[34:36] make it easier for people and not have
[34:38] to figure out where it is, when it is,
[34:40] and how it is. So, I have no further
[34:43] question. I commend your effort. Thank
[34:45] you.
[34:46] >> Oh, thank you.
[34:47] >> And then our cost are the situate lines.
[34:50] So our costs would be
[34:53] >> those and those are please those are
[34:54] budget estimates.
[34:57] >> So I don't hold me to them to to the
[34:59] dollar but yeah it's it's ballpark.
[35:02] >> Okay.
[35:03] >> And all or nothing like if one or two
[35:06] towns decide not to go for it you won't
[35:09] go for it?
[35:10] >> No. I wrote that into the IMA because I
[35:13] didn't want towns to be afraid that if
[35:15] they signed and not everybody did that
[35:17] they would be on the hook for a higher
[35:18] portion of the fixed costs because
[35:21] >> you know the costs right now would be
[35:24] spread out under among 12 towns.
[35:26] Actually handover the IG um gives them
[35:30] no fixed costs. That's that's their
[35:33] benefit. So, uh, it would have to be
[35:36] spread out among the other 11 towns. And
[35:37] I just didn't think that going any lower
[35:40] than that would be feasible,
[35:43] um,
[35:44] >> cost for Hanover, does that mean they're
[35:46] not paying for the building?
[35:49] >> Well, they No, they kicked in money
[35:51] towards the building.
[35:52] >> Okay.
[35:52] >> But, um, but the fixed cost, the annual
[35:56] fixed costs won't
[35:58] >> they won't be assessed. They will have
[35:59] to they will also pay a slightly reduced
[36:02] rate for their residents, but they still
[36:03] have to pay.
[36:10] » Are you all comfort? Do you want to vote
[36:11] or do you want to just have to think
[36:14] about it and vote the next meeting? I'm
[36:15] happy to do that too. I know this
[36:17] >> I mean I could just
[36:19] >> a quick brief. I know it's
[36:20] >> I could just say maybe it's not
[36:22] convenient if you have to go to handover
[36:24] and we have one day a year constituent
[36:27] but
[36:27] >> obviously getting the hazardous waste
[36:30] where it belongs makes complete sense so
[36:34] I'm I'm happy
[36:35] >> I mean it definitely makes sense to me
[36:37] too
[36:39] >> so I'm happy to vote for it I don't
[36:42] >> move to uh participate in and sign the
[36:45] intermunicipal agreement of the
[36:47] Southshore recycling cooperative SSRC's
[36:51] waste ho
[36:54] at the handover transfer station.
[36:58] Do we have a second saying by Dr. All in
[37:01] favor? I Okay.
[37:06] » Thank you. Thank you.
[37:08] >> Five down, seven to go. I mean, it's been going pretty well. So, thank
[37:12] you very very much for
[37:14] >> Good luck with that.
[37:15] >> Thank you for your time.
[37:17] >> Oh, you're welcome. in a labor of love
[37:20] and love of sometimes they haven't loved
[37:21] it yet. [laughter]
[37:24] >> That's just life.
[37:25] >> Yeah.
[37:27] >> All right. Take care.
[37:28] >> Thank you. All right. Next, we have
[37:30] >> Are we doing CPC?
[37:32] >> We We are. Next, we are doing CPC
[37:35] articles.
[37:36] >> Okay. I am going to recuse myself just
[37:39] for the Appleton Field Community Garden
[37:41] which was first on our agenda because I
[37:44] have been on the board prior to being on
[37:46] the board and it could be some
[37:51] step.
[37:51] >> How do we do that? Step out already
[37:53] audience. I don't know how
[37:56] >> you step out.
[37:57] >> Step out forever.
[37:58] >> But can we can you just do it for that?
[38:01] >> Yeah, I know. I want to be part of
[38:02] everything. So, if you guys want to
[38:04] vote, if you guys want to vote on
[38:07] >> Can you step out? We'll talk and vote on
[38:09] just the one.
[38:10] >> Yeah.
[38:10] >> And then come back in and then we're
[38:12] good for the rest of the night. How
[38:13] about that?
[38:15] >> We'll come and get you.
[38:16] >> All right.
[38:17] >> Are you guys good at that?
[38:19] >> Well, I have a couple of slides before
[38:20] we get to that.
[38:21] >> Oh, shoot.
[38:24] [laughter]
[38:25] >> Sorry.
[38:25] >> All right. Okay. Then until once we get
[38:28] to Apple, we'll do that. We'll go and
[38:31] then we'll do this. But I again I
[38:32] appreciate all your time on this. These
[38:34] are really important projects.
[38:36] >> Um and thank you.
[38:38] >> Well, thank you for uh giving us the
[38:40] opportunity to uh present this to you
[38:42] again uh this year. Uh the uh I'll just
[38:46] go through a couple of things before we
[38:47] get into the projects. I'm not going to
[38:49] go through every number that's on this
[38:51] slide, but just to point out that we did
[38:54] collect $2.3 million in taxes uh from
[38:59] the community uh toward the CPC funding.
[39:03] Uh there should be about uh $370,000
[39:09] that we'll get from the uh state match.
[39:12] So that's always uh good money to have
[39:14] in the uh
[39:17] in in our budgets uh to spend. Uh
[39:22] the uh next slide is that's all I don't
[39:26] know if there are any questions on that
[39:27] on the [clears throat] first slide. I
[39:28] didn't go through all the numbers but um
[39:31] I don't think I need to.
[39:32] >> Yeah, I don't have any questions.
[39:34] >> Okay. The uh the next slide is really uh
[39:36] where we're intending what we have in
[39:38] each of the buckets that CPC has the
[39:41] historic open space community housing
[39:44] and undesated funds and uh the money
[39:47] that we're planning to spend uh to not
[39:50] spend but to uh recommend to the town
[39:53] meeting uh for the projects that we
[39:55] have. I would pound out point out the uh
[39:58] FY27 estimated receipts of $58,000
[40:03] is really the amount of money we had uh
[40:06] in receipts minus what we did vote what
[40:09] the town did vote on uh the April 12th
[40:12] town meeting. So that was what was left
[40:14] over from that that town meeting and the
[40:16] estimated receipts. We also had a uh
[40:20] debt service adjustment for the athletic
[40:22] field uh borrowing that we did quite a
[40:25] few years ago. Uh so that was that
[40:28] $15,750.
[40:30] And then we have five projects that are
[40:33] on uh that we're putting on the warrant
[40:36] for uh the for the town meeting which
[40:39] I'll go into detail later on. The next
[40:42] slide is just uh the only number I'm
[40:44] going to talk about in this slide is the
[40:45] 11.8 8 million that the town has has
[40:49] received from the uh distribution fund
[40:52] from the state. So I think uh the point
[40:56] is I think CPC the CPA act and the um
[41:00] adoption of that by situ is a good
[41:02] investment for the town.
[41:05] Next slide. The projects that we have uh
[41:07] we do have five projects. The first one
[41:09] I have is the Appleton and I'll go right
[41:11] into that. The Apple field project.
[41:16] Yeah. Why don't you do the other one
[41:18] back?
[41:20] >> Okay.
[41:20] >> Do that last game.
[41:22] >> Okay. Back then. Okay.
[41:30] » Stay with me, Frank.
[41:33] >> Yeah.
[41:35] >> This is This should be quick.
[41:37] >> This should be super quick.
[41:38] >> Yeah.
[41:40] as far as this goes. So,
[41:42] >> so the uh as you may be aware, the uh
[41:45] Friends of Appleton Field made this
[41:47] request of CPC. The garden was created
[41:50] in uh 2023. It's grown quite a bit. Uh
[41:54] we've been there recently. It's grown
[41:56] quite a bit since then. I think they've
[41:58] done a great job in uh designing and
[42:00] implementing the garden there. The uh
[42:03] Friends of Appleton Field supports
[42:05] community food donations as well as
[42:08] educational programs that they conduct
[42:10] on site. Uh one of the issues they have
[42:14] is there's no town water on the site. So
[42:16] they have to uh get water to let the
[42:19] plants grow. So what this pro what this
[42:22] request was for is for an additional
[42:25] shed that will collect rainwater for the
[42:28] plants. It's a 10 by 20 foot shed. uh
[42:32] has catchment uh to that will uh go into
[42:36] uh water catchment barrels uh to collect
[42:38] the water. Uh there'll also be storage
[42:42] facility for tools and educational
[42:44] equipment and the entrance to the shed
[42:47] will be ADA compliant. So if somebody uh
[42:50] needs to get in there, they can. The uh
[42:53] I will point out the CPC is funding only
[42:56] the shed materials and the construction.
[42:58] We can't cover uh non-permanent
[43:02] installation equipment is the way I'd
[43:04] say it. So the barrels and things like
[43:07] that we cannot fund. Uh we've run into
[43:10] this before with uh trash cans where the
[43:13] trash cans have to be uh attached to the
[43:16] ground in order for us to fund those type of things.
[43:21] Any questions on that?
[43:23] >> Are there any questions on this one?
[43:26] >> No. Sure.
[43:29] >> Do you have any questions?
[43:30] >> No. As leaison to this committee, they
[43:33] they're very rigorous in their review of
[43:35] this.
[43:35] >> Yeah.
[43:36] >> I think they've got it done.
[43:39] Self-evident.
[43:40] >> Can I get a motion on the Appleton field
[43:43] only?
[43:44] >> Move to approve the Appleton Fields
[43:46] Community Garden upgrades $15,200.
[43:50] Second.
[43:51] >> Moved by Dr. Fono, seconded by Mr.
[43:54] Gilmore. All in favor? I
[43:57] >> So it passes four.
[43:59] >> Okay.
[44:00] >> Thank you.
[44:01] >> One obsession and she can come back in.
[44:04] So let's just do the rest.
[44:06] >> Yep.
[44:08] >> So one thing I did want to point out uh
[44:10] that we skipped one slide on was we do
[44:12] have two projects that are pending. One
[44:15] is the acquisition of uh n almost 90
[44:18] acres of a cranberry bog off old oak and
[44:21] bucket road. Uh we've been talking to
[44:23] the gentleman that is intending to sell
[44:26] that to the town for almost a year I
[44:28] think and uh there are still some issues
[44:30] with that. Uh we've done several
[44:32] appraisals. Uh he has some concerns
[44:35] about the uh property and what will
[44:38] happen to the property if he does sell
[44:39] it to the town. There's a million
[44:41] gallons of water on the property. We're
[44:44] currently investigating whether the town
[44:46] is able or willing to use that water.
[44:49] And those are some of the discussions
[44:51] that we're continuing to have. Uh and in
[44:54] fact, there's a meeting tomorrow uh that will be on one of the one of the
[44:58] topics for the meeting tomorrow. The
[45:01] other uh project that was pending was
[45:04] the Lawson property gates and that's on
[45:07] the agenda on the warrant for uh some
[45:10] transfer of ownership of the property.
[45:12] Uh so we can't do anything until that
[45:14] happens. The uh second project is the G
[45:18] Hall exterior restoration which is uh
[45:22] requested by the Situate his historical
[45:25] society and it's really to fix two areas
[45:29] of the hall that are in serious
[45:31] disrepair. The first area is the back of
[45:34] the hall where the uh uh wood has
[45:38] rotted. Uh they need to replace two
[45:40] windows back there, one on the ground
[45:42] floor I believe and one in the attic.
[45:45] Excuse me. And uh they also want to
[45:48] repair and fix the ADA entrance which is
[45:52] apparently in serious disrepair.
[45:54] Uh so it's over the project will be
[45:57] overseen by the uh situated historical
[46:01] society property manager who does have
[46:03] experience in restoring historic
[46:06] facilities. The total cost is estimated
[46:08] to be uh 55,700
[46:12] which includes a 15% contingency and the
[46:15] historical society is contributing 5,700
[46:19] to that and asking CPC to fund 50,000
[46:23] for that project.
[46:25] Any questions on that?
[46:30] » I'm assuming the entire CPT was in favor
[46:33] of this.
[46:35] Pardon me.
[46:36] >> The entire CPC was
[46:38] >> Oh, yes. I'm sorry. I should have said
[46:39] in the beginning, uh, all these projects
[46:42] were approved unanimously by CPC. I
[46:45] didn't put that on the slides because
[46:46] they all were approved unanimously by
[46:49] CPC. Sorry.
[46:52] >> Okay.
[46:54] >> Do you move on to vote them individually
[46:55] after?
[46:56] >> I'm fine with that. I move to approve
[46:59] the CPC
[47:02] um voting on the
[47:05] J hall exterior restoration project
[47:09] >> for 50,000
[47:14] » second
[47:15] >> moved by Mel seconded by Mr. Gilmore.
[47:18] All in favor? I
[47:19] >> I
[47:21] in.
[47:21] >> Okay. The third project is a is to
[47:24] acquire and install a vault in the town
[47:27] hall for historic documents. uh the town
[47:31] archavists had come to us and uh
[47:34] requested uh quite a bit more money than
[47:38] we're actually requesting, but after
[47:41] going through some iterations,
[47:43] uh we were able to uh reduce that down
[47:46] to $500,000
[47:48] uh dollars, which is what they're
[47:50] requesting for the project. And that
[47:52] does include a $70,000 contingency. So
[47:55] the total vaults that they were getting
[47:57] was about 430,000.
[48:00] The vaults will be used for the
[48:02] preservation of historic documents that
[48:05] are stored uh currently in the basement
[48:08] of the town hall here. And it includes
[48:11] uh some other shelfing besides the vault
[48:13] and retrofitting the uh electric and air
[48:17] conditioning down there so it it can uh
[48:20] provide uh the adequate environment for
[48:24] the vault. The vault itself is a 16x 11
[48:28] by almost 9 ft high uh precon
[48:31] pre-fabricated vault that includes um uh
[48:36] management of the climate inside the
[48:38] vault. uh installing that the basement
[48:42] will have to be retrofitted uh for that
[48:44] and the other storage and there's some
[48:47] costs associated with that that they're
[48:48] looking for. The town facilities manager
[48:51] has agreed to be in charge of the
[48:53] installation. And the estimates include
[48:56] almost $100,000 for the vault, $100,000
[49:00] for other storage, and $235,000 for
[49:04] retrofitting the basement, which is the
[49:06] biggest cost of the uh including that
[49:08] down here. And as I said, includes a
[49:11] $70,000
[49:12] in continued disease.
[49:14] >> I was hoping that was the tone.
[49:16] >> Pardon me. missing a
[49:17] >> It says It says $70. It says $70 in
[49:22] $70,000. Sorry.
[49:24] >> I forgot a K. Yes, I did notice. Thank
[49:27] you for that. Um and uh she felt it was
[49:31] vital in uh being able to preserve some
[49:34] of the historic records that uh are in
[49:37] danger of deteriorating.
[49:41] >> So that's
[49:42] >> Are there any questions on this? The the
[49:45] only question I have and and I don't
[49:47] think it's terribly relevant in your
[49:48] future, but um that the the 96,000 for
[49:52] the actual vault itself is
[49:53] pre-fabricated. Hypothetically, if if
[49:56] town hall were to get reconstructed,
[49:58] moved, what have you, this wall be able
[50:00] to be moved?
[50:02] >> Yes, that's one of the questions we did
[50:04] ask in case something does change with
[50:07] the town wall. Uh obviously we wouldn't
[50:09] be able to recover the installation cost
[50:11] and some of the uh other cost associated
[50:14] with installation but they should be a
[50:16] they will be able to reuse the bulb and
[50:19] they should be able to reuse some of the
[50:21] other equipment to store some flat maps
[50:23] and things like that. That was my main
[50:26] question.
[50:27] >> Seeing the condition of our basement, I
[50:30] think that it is imperative that we have
[50:32] a waterproof fireproof vault for um our
[50:36] records.
[50:38] >> Yeah, I mean I agree to
[50:41] that
[50:41] >> just to say that the
[50:46] town archives through great amount of
[50:48] detail and question more than one
[50:50] meeting
[50:51] >> and I think you guys have come to a
[50:53] great appreciated support.
[50:56] >> Yeah. And we were able to reduce the
[50:59] original from a million to 500,000. So,
[51:03] which is a good thing.
[51:04] >> Yeah.
[51:05] >> Move to support the CPC's article for
[51:09] the town archives at the October 192
[51:15] >> for
[51:18] 500,000.
[51:18] >> $500,000
[51:20] by second by Dr. All in favor.
[51:23] >> I unanimous.
[51:27] >> Okay. Next,
[51:28] >> the uh next project is a GA I'll call it
[51:31] the Gates apartment affordable housing
[51:33] project. And the Granthm Group is asking
[51:37] CPC for $5 million uh commitment. This
[51:41] is very similar to the Lawson Green
[51:44] project that we did several years ago,
[51:46] which CPC funded for $2 million. The
[51:50] total budget for the project is
[51:52] estimated to be um 30 I think it's 33 million uh total for the entire
[52:01] project. They're looking for approval
[52:04] from the town and CPC for $5 million
[52:08] in order to be able to to get grants as
[52:12] the project goes on and in order to uh
[52:15] show the commitment that the town has to
[52:17] the project as they start trying to get
[52:19] other funds to support this project. The
[52:23] uh the project will include uh demolition of the existing central
[52:30] building only the central building and
[52:32] reconstruction of a new building. If you
[52:35] look at the pictures that will have uh a
[52:37] similar look than the existing building
[52:40] I will mention the map that's on this
[52:43] diagram that was provided is
[52:46] preliminary. It's not a finalized map of
[52:50] where what will be located where. Uh the
[52:52] intention is to just replace that
[52:54] central building at the former junior
[52:57] high school. Um there will have to be
[53:00] some reconfiguration
[53:02] of the fields in the back and probably
[53:05] parking as well and that has not been
[53:07] finalized yet. Uh all the units in the
[53:11] uh building will be uh for elderly
[53:15] housing. Uh it's estimated uh I'm sorry
[53:19] all the units will be included in the
[53:21] subsidized housing inventory for the
[53:24] town for 40B purposes and the estimate
[53:27] is this will bring situate close to 7%
[53:31] of affordable housing. It also one of
[53:34] the reasons why we uh wanted to approve
[53:37] this now rather than wait on this
[53:39] project and and the funding for this
[53:42] project was it will give situate a safe
[53:45] harbor which would allow the town to
[53:47] refuse any new 40B applications.
[53:50] So that was
[53:51] >> that only began when this project is
[53:56] >> once so if we vote yes on this
[53:59] >> yes
[53:59] >> we have a safe harbor for a year. No,
[54:02] let's say not immediately
[54:03] >> back till the project is approved.
[54:05] >> So when will the project be approved?
[54:10] >> Probably at least a year
[54:12] >> finishing traffic studies permitting and
[54:14] all that.
[54:15] >> 6 months to a year.
[54:16] >> Okay.
[54:17] >> Mhm.
[54:21] » Okay. The uh it's a 64,000 square ft
[54:24] facility. Uh there will be 63 apartments
[54:28] in the facility that are one-bedroom
[54:30] apartments. It will also include a
[54:32] visiting nurse office, a community room,
[54:34] and a central living room for the uh for
[54:37] the uh tenants there. Uh they will keep
[54:40] the recreation wing, the gym, and and
[54:43] the other buildings around that central
[54:45] building, so they won't be uh affected
[54:48] at all. And again, the uh total project
[54:51] cost was uh $33 million. the uh because
[54:55] we don't have the $5 million in our
[54:58] current funds. The intention is to uh
[55:01] fund 587,000
[55:04] from the community housing reserve that
[55:06] we do have and then uh 413,000
[55:11] from the estimated receipts that we do
[55:13] have today, but then borrow $4 million
[55:16] to complete the $5 million.
[55:20] And that's uh any questions on that?
[55:24] We've heard this
[55:29] question.
[55:29] >> I'm I'm completely in favor of of a
[55:32] project. I'm I'm very much in favor of funding the five million so that we
[55:36] can be ahead of this. We're going to
[55:38] fund this whether we do it one way or
[55:40] another way and we do it this year or
[55:42] next year. It's it's it's a project that
[55:44] needs to happen. I'm I'm still not
[55:48] convinced that we're actually on the
[55:49] right track with the final outlook of
[55:50] the whole campus project. So, so I sort
[55:54] of have a question there and my
[55:57] understanding Jim is that we still have
[55:59] time to debate the projects and results.
[56:02] >> The project has the design.
[56:04] >> Yes.
[56:04] >> So, so, so that's sort of a separate
[56:07] question. I'm in support of of being out
[56:09] in front of this. I guess the only
[56:11] question I would have and maybe Anthony
[56:12] might be able to get some perspective on
[56:14] this is is we're going to be taking some
[56:17] $4 million of this in borrowing. That
[56:19] borrowing is happening now. essentially
[56:22] that's happening ahead of time. So,
[56:23] we're going to be essentially paying a
[56:26] small amount of interest on that
[56:27] borrowing before the project even is
[56:29] underway.
[56:30] >> Right.
[56:30] There is a um an available funds
[56:34] component to it that they would use
[56:35] first before we have to borrow funds.
[56:38] >> So, so I'm hoping that we're closer to
[56:40] breaking ground before we're paying
[56:42] interest on something that hasn't
[56:43] happened. But other than that, we're
[56:45] gonna spend this now. And I think if we
[56:47] don't keep pushing forward, projects
[56:49] going to keep getting more expensive.
[56:50] Yeah, I mean I agree. They're they're
[56:53] kind of merry
[56:54] and demolition and also we have to show
[56:58] good faith to get any sort of any
[57:01] >> which I do think we're we are in good
[57:03] running for [clears throat] did I maybe
[57:07] I saw somewhere paperwork back and forth
[57:10] that affordable housing just 600,000
[57:13] this I see
[57:15] >> um I don't remember that frankly
[57:18] [clears throat]
[57:18] >> we can check on that
[57:20] >> I think it's added. I think the uh the
[57:24] urgency to get the town's commitment to
[57:28] this project is what will cause the
[57:31] state
[57:33] to sit up a little bit faster, which I
[57:35] think is always a good thing if you get
[57:38] to do anything fast.
[57:41] I
[57:41] >> mean, you have to show good faith that
[57:42] you're willing to spend money too for
[57:44] them to give you money.
[57:45] >> Absolutely. I hate the urgency to do
[57:49] anything especially when it comes to
[57:51] borrowing money and for a project which
[57:54] I just see so many problems with uh as
[57:59] it stands right now that obviously will
[58:01] be figured out before it is completed or
[58:05] not figured out. I don't know the
[58:06] traffic that historical aspect um the
[58:09] fields all of it I don't know I don't think that I can
[58:16] Maybe you should come to the meetings.
[58:18] That would be helpful.
[58:19] >> Would you like a motion?
[58:20] >> I I'll take a motion.
[58:22] >> Move to accept
[58:26] the unanimous vote or thereof from the
[58:29] Gates Department affordable housing of
[58:32] $5 billion to be expended from commute
[58:35] from the community housing section of
[58:39] CPC.
[58:40] >> Move by Mr. Gilmore. Do I have a second?
[58:44] by
[58:45] All in favor?
[58:46] >> I opposed.
[58:49] >> Okay, we've got four one on that one.
[58:54] >> Okay.
[58:54] Thank you. Um I also mentioned
[58:56] this is only the second time in 22 years
[59:00] or 23 years that CPC has borrow had to
[59:03] borrow money. So um not something we
[59:06] want to do, but something we felt was
[59:08] necessary to get this project off the
[59:10] ground.
[59:11] >> Yeah.
[59:12] >> Um okay. The next project is the uh Pier
[59:14] 44 park construction. I do have uh uh
[59:18] make a comment on this. Uh I had a
[59:23] little bit of a concern that the
[59:24] advisory committee uh turned this
[59:26] project down or devoted against this
[59:28] project. And uh the point I' I'd like to
[59:32] make is we we had uh vetting on this
[59:35] project over several months. uh three
[59:38] years ago the uh town approved 300,000
[59:40] for the design of this project. We've
[59:43] had uh public meetings on this uh with
[59:46] CPC. I think we asked them to come back
[59:48] about five or six times and nobody had
[59:52] raised any objections to this. So my
[59:55] concern is that with the advisory
[59:57] committee not approving this that nobody
[1:00:00] brought any of the issues up prior to us
[1:00:03] going to the meeting last night. And uh
[1:00:05] I had a little bit of a concern with
[1:00:07] that for future reference.
[1:00:10] >> What did advisory vote on the park?
[1:00:12] >> Pardon?
[1:00:13] >> What did the advisory vote?
[1:00:16] >> They turned down. They voted no.
[1:00:18] >> Two of two.
[1:00:19] >> Yes. Okay.
[1:00:20] >> Or two again.
[1:00:23] » So, um
[1:00:26] that's my opinion. Okay. the uh
[1:00:29] >> well I I guess I will say I've spent a
[1:00:32] lot of time with the committee and um
[1:00:34] over the years this is I think one of
[1:00:37] the best examples of a community
[1:00:40] committee in starting with a survey
[1:00:43] getting um the number of meetings that
[1:00:46] they have had over the years. the amount
[1:00:48] of community input, the willingness to
[1:00:51] make changes and add additional parking
[1:00:54] and scale back um when costs were too
[1:00:58] high and and CPC's asking. So, I
[1:01:01] personally think that is a great project
[1:01:05] and I appreciate the amount of effort
[1:01:08] that our um that our residents frankly
[1:01:12] have put into this and um I don't know
[1:01:16] that the advisory voting against it is a
[1:01:19] reason to not go to
[1:01:22] >> this. There's just a difference of
[1:01:25] opinion on what should be there.
[1:01:27] >> Yes. I mean certainly that's their
[1:01:29] prerogative. it could be the makeup of
[1:01:31] the advisory committee.
[1:01:34] >> So the uh and I will say the initial
[1:01:36] estimates and and uh posts that we got
[1:01:40] were uh over $6 million and through some
[1:01:43] of the meetings we had with them and
[1:01:45] some of the requests we made with them
[1:01:47] to change the design. Uh they did get
[1:01:50] down to $3.8 million uh for the request
[1:01:54] which is what they're requesting from
[1:01:56] CPC. So this is for the uh construction
[1:02:01] of the park. It features a boardwalk, a
[1:02:04] kayak launch, uh native plannings and
[1:02:08] ADA accessible uh paths. It will uh what
[1:02:12] they claim will balance parking and
[1:02:14] green space, flood storage, and storm
[1:02:16] water management. Uh the 3.8 8 estimated
[1:02:20] cost. I'm not going to go through each
[1:02:21] of those each of the items that are on
[1:02:23] that list, but uh one of the biggest
[1:02:26] costs obviously is the boardwalk, uh
[1:02:28] carpentry, and uh the uh demolition of
[1:02:32] the existing building that's there. Uh
[1:02:35] the town is actively seeking grants to
[1:02:38] be awarded hopefully by the end of the
[1:02:40] year. If those do grants do come in,
[1:02:43] then they reduce the funding that CPC
[1:02:46] has put forward and that money comes
[1:02:48] back to CPC.
[1:02:49] >> How much grant money are you after?
[1:02:52] >> How much you think about all of your
[1:02:54] grants would it be? I mean, this says $3
[1:02:56] million in Bobman would be included in
[1:02:59] this funding.
[1:03:01] >> Cory, you might
[1:03:02] >> how how much money
[1:03:04] here?
[1:03:07] >> A million. So, we'd still be borrowing
[1:03:09] $2 million. Yes.
[1:03:11] >> Thank you.
[1:03:12] >> Well, we'd have to borrow the 3 million
[1:03:14] uh uh ahead of time so we could pay that
[1:03:17] down if we do get the grants
[1:03:19] >> if if that's appropriate.
[1:03:22] >> Um we felt the project couldn't be
[1:03:24] postponed. Uh you go back to 2003, I
[1:03:27] believe, where the funds were allocated
[1:03:30] for the uh design and permitting. I know
[1:03:33] the the group that's uh responsible, the
[1:03:36] Shark Group, has done a lot of work to
[1:03:38] get those done. there are quite a few uh complexities of the location in
[1:03:45] getting permitting to put anything there
[1:03:49] uh regardless of whether it's a park or
[1:03:51] some other type of uh facility that goes
[1:03:54] there. But we felt it couldn't be
[1:03:56] postponed. Uh it's been three years that
[1:03:58] the town has been working on it and uh
[1:04:01] we felt we should go ahead with this
[1:04:03] even though we do have to borrow $3
[1:04:05] million to get to that 3.8 8 million.
[1:04:09] >> And I I will mention also uh the those
[1:04:14] last two articles, the Pier 44 and the
[1:04:17] Gates, since we're borrowing the money,
[1:04:19] will require a twothirds vote at the
[1:04:21] town meeting. Just to make sure
[1:04:24] everybody understands that.
[1:04:27] And any questions on that project?
[1:04:30] >> Any questions?
[1:04:33] >> So much a question. I've sat through
[1:04:34] pretty much every single meeting we've
[1:04:35] had over the last year and a half on
[1:04:37] this and I'm completely supportive of
[1:04:38] it. I think I can echo Susan's thoughts
[1:04:41] on the fact that I think it's been a an
[1:04:43] excellent collaborative process. Um I
[1:04:46] think that we talked about the last
[1:04:47] three years or so putting into buying
[1:04:50] factors here. I can't give Paul enough
[1:04:52] credit for all the effort they put in on
[1:04:55] going back and forth over and over again
[1:04:56] to research and think through options
[1:04:58] and cost reduction uh processes. But uh
[1:05:02] really this has been more of a an 18
[1:05:05] year process since uh since you know the
[1:05:07] train came back into town trying to
[1:05:10] reconfigure 44 from something that's
[1:05:12] been slowly deteriorating to something
[1:05:14] that could be what I think will be a
[1:05:16] centerpiece of a beautiful harbor. Um
[1:05:19] and do everything from bring the town
[1:05:22] commitment to bring the the walkable
[1:05:24] harbor all the way from the lighthouse
[1:05:26] to
[1:05:28] south side of the harbor. It will
[1:05:30] provide for green space. It provides for
[1:05:32] environmentality.
[1:05:34] Um, you know, we've improved the parking
[1:05:36] structure down there. I know there been
[1:05:39] some discussions about other options. I
[1:05:41] think thoroughly vetted through CDC sat
[1:05:44] through a lot of meetings on it as well,
[1:05:46] but
[1:05:48] committee on back there really are no
[1:05:51] other good options other than green
[1:05:52] space here. Uh and uh for for just for
[1:05:56] the purposes of some debate that we've
[1:05:59] had back and forth at different points
[1:06:00] in the process, um you know, there's
[1:06:02] debate about parking in the town. Uh I'd
[1:06:05] like to be up front of that to say that
[1:06:07] first of all, as a board, we're really
[1:06:09] looking strongly to try and make a
[1:06:11] global effort to look at parking in the
[1:06:13] Harvard parking institute so that we can
[1:06:16] really offset some of the concerns
[1:06:17] people have about parking in town and
[1:06:20] specifically to this site. It's really
[1:06:22] just not a a good space to try and put a
[1:06:25] giant parking lot. And even if we tried
[1:06:27] to do that, it would run up into
[1:06:29] additional environmental PAR engineer
[1:06:32] concerns because we still have to build
[1:06:34] this whole seaw wall. So, um I think
[1:06:37] this is an valuable project. I think
[1:06:39] it's going to be a fantastic project for
[1:06:41] the town. It will be excellently
[1:06:43] utilized for generations to come. Um so,
[1:06:46] I'm fully support.
[1:06:49] >> Could I make a comment on the point
[1:06:52] members at the seaw wall on
[1:06:54] >> Batman.
[1:06:55] >> So, right.
[1:06:58] >> Um,
[1:07:00] >> one of the comments I've I've heard, I
[1:07:03] don't know this for a fact, but I've
[1:07:05] heard that there are some deed
[1:07:06] restrictions which do prohibit uh
[1:07:09] certain uses of the of the uh land.
[1:07:13] >> Right. Right. As far as way,
[1:07:15] >> as far as what you can do with the land,
[1:07:17] >> you could make a parking lot.
[1:07:19] is not an option.
[1:07:22] >> Um,
[1:07:23] >> Dan, did you have something?
[1:07:24] >> Yeah, know
[1:07:26] Dan, I think you misspelled a little bit
[1:07:29] saying that, you know, this project's
[1:07:31] been really working for three years. I
[1:07:34] remember speaking to Joe Norton about it
[1:07:36] before he died in 2020. I don't know
[1:07:39] what to do. Um,
[1:07:42] I mean, this is inaction is an action.
[1:07:46] Um,
[1:07:49] and for me is ever it's like trying to
[1:07:51] order pizza for a group. There's one
[1:07:54] person who wants anchovies or else you
[1:07:56] just end up it's impossible.
[1:08:00] There's a gazillion. We've all heard
[1:08:02] that we're going to continue spinning
[1:08:04] our wheels and I think uh, Madam Chair
[1:08:08] said it right that we owe we owe it to
[1:08:10] the people to actually have a vote on
[1:08:12] this. Is this exactly what I wanted you
[1:08:18] wanted? No. So many of these are never
[1:08:20] at all exactly what we think they're
[1:08:23] going to be. I have learned more from
[1:08:26] Corey and Paul. I thought I saw Paul
[1:08:29] there
[1:08:30] >> on what it means
[1:08:33] uh to bend and not break in the face of
[1:08:37] public scrutiny for this project for the
[1:08:40] last three years than almost any of the
[1:08:42] projects I've been here on the board.
[1:08:44] Um,
[1:08:47] none of us here are perfect,
[1:08:50] but we're trying to put forward with all
[1:08:52] of you the best that we can for an
[1:08:56] option that's going to be there. And so
[1:08:58] I just I just want to say thank you uh
[1:09:00] to everyone who's been working on this
[1:09:02] for so many years. Um
[1:09:05] that you know we're trying to push the ball forward on this and I
[1:09:10] think the work that's been done is
[1:09:12] commendable and I'm really interested to
[1:09:15] see what's going to happen.
[1:09:19] >> Yes.
[1:09:21] >> To uh reemphasize both of your inputs.
[1:09:25] This is a very balanced project. The
[1:09:27] balancing act has been a lot of give and
[1:09:30] take from everybody involved. Passions,
[1:09:34] dreams, vision. This is going to be the
[1:09:38] most beautiful public access to the
[1:09:39] harbor
[1:09:41] in any location in the town. This is
[1:09:44] going to be inviting. It is a balanced
[1:09:47] site. It is also, as you had mentioned,
[1:09:50] tied to our permitting dates. We've
[1:09:53] already expended a lot of time and money
[1:09:54] to get our permits in order so we can
[1:09:57] move forward. So, I'm looking forward to
[1:10:00] this. Uh, is it perfect? No.
[1:10:04] Why should we expect that? We should
[1:10:06] expect a balanced project, a balanced
[1:10:09] location that's going to be beautiful,
[1:10:12] that's going to be inviting any of the
[1:10:14] town citizenry there
[1:10:17] for years to come. So, I think it's a
[1:10:19] great start and a great step in the
[1:10:21] right direction.
[1:10:23] >> No more borrowing money is through CPC.
[1:10:27] >> Yes.
[1:10:30] So technically,
[1:10:32] >> so we have for example, uh I think eight
[1:10:36] years ago or six years ago, I forgot how
[1:10:39] long it was, we did the uh athletic
[1:10:42] field project behind the high school and
[1:10:44] we borrowed uh money for that as well,
[1:10:47] which we're still paying a lot. So every
[1:10:49] year um there is an amount due that we
[1:10:53] take out of the existing funds. That's
[1:10:55] how it works with CPC. So for the past
[1:10:58] years you could see uh it was
[1:11:01] approximately 300,000 is slowly going
[1:11:03] down but 300,000 was allocated each year
[1:11:07] to the uh repayment of the loan that we
[1:11:10] did on the high school fields.
[1:11:14] Sorry. So it's separate from like the
[1:11:16] operating
[1:11:20] earlier.
[1:11:23] [snorts]
[1:11:23] >> Um move to
[1:11:25] >> any more questions.
[1:11:28] >> Are we are we taking public comment on
[1:11:31] this?
[1:11:34] » I suppose we could. Yes.
[1:11:36] >> Yeah. Well, uh name and address for the
[1:11:39] record.
[1:11:40] 57 way I'm also a member of the advisory
[1:11:43] committee with all due respect to him
[1:11:46] advisory has spoken against
[1:11:48] >> can you please address the board okay
[1:11:51] with all due respect to the selectman
[1:11:53] who heard somebody say that the advisor
[1:11:55] hasn't come forward we absolutely have
[1:11:58] and I've spoken about this at every
[1:12:00] meeting I've spoken in front of you
[1:12:02] several times so
[1:12:06] taking a swipe at advisory is just
[1:12:08] playing on and it My fellow library
[1:12:10] community member also has spoken at town
[1:12:13] meeting and this as well. Nobody is
[1:12:16] saying don't build the park.
[1:12:19] All we are I have been saying is that
[1:12:23] overflow park and harbor is pier 44. You
[1:12:27] guys approved a private dinner party on
[1:12:29] front street. Susan, I believe you
[1:12:31] brought up the fact that where's the
[1:12:32] overflow parking? The town administrator
[1:12:34] said pier 44. Where is the overflow
[1:12:37] parking when board is gone? We've been
[1:12:40] we had a parking study in 2015 in
[1:12:43] Minnesota.
[1:12:44] Since then, we've got rid of spots on
[1:12:47] here. We've got rid of spots in post
[1:12:49] park because in restaurants having
[1:12:51] outdoor seating, expanding and new
[1:12:54] restaurants. That is true because in
[1:12:56] restaurants doing outdoor seating, new
[1:12:59] restaurants and expanding restaurants
[1:13:01] [clears throat] calls for an additional
[1:13:02] hundred spots. One for every four seats
[1:13:05] that was added. So all we've done is
[1:13:07] added the need for more parking down
[1:13:09] there. And all we've ever asked or I've
[1:13:12] ever asked is what is the plan? Last
[1:13:15] night somebody my fellow committee said
[1:13:17] why do we pay for a valet? The hard
[1:13:19] merchants pay for a valet. If they
[1:13:21] didn't have that money, where would we
[1:13:23] valet them to?
[1:13:26] There's no parking.
[1:13:28] Where would you valet these cars to?
[1:13:31] That's all we've ever said. It's just I
[1:13:33] know that think about the parking. This
[1:13:35] project itself is up over $6 million
[1:13:39] now. $6 million. And we're borrowing.
[1:13:43] Our selectman has voted against
[1:13:45] borrowing for a project just before
[1:13:46] this. And we're borrowing for this. This
[1:13:48] is not a need. This is a want. I don't
[1:13:52] know about any of you guys, but in my
[1:13:54] household, in my business, I don't
[1:13:56] borrow and pay interest for something I
[1:13:59] want. I do it if I need to. But you
[1:14:02] don't do it because you want to.
[1:14:04] >> Sure.
[1:14:05] >> Yes.
[1:14:06] >> I think your numbers are erroneous.
[1:14:08] [clears throat]
[1:14:09] >> What numbers?
[1:14:10] >> The price the project construction we're
[1:14:12] going to vote here today is 3,835
[1:14:15] >> and we paid 1.8 from property. We've
[1:14:17] already done 300,000. We had to pay 1.8
[1:14:20] for the property because we had to have
[1:14:22] that. That's not that's not part of this
[1:14:24] project to have that.
[1:14:26] >> Yeah. I just like Thank you for your
[1:14:28] comment. Thank you for your comment. I
[1:14:29] just we're not going to go back and
[1:14:31] forth. Thank you for your comment and
[1:14:33] thank you for all of your work on this.
[1:14:36] Um we have we're just agree to we're
[1:14:39] going to agree to disagree on this one.
[1:14:41] >> I think it's a very important project. I
[1:14:44] think access to the harbor um is a need,
[1:14:48] not a want. In my mind, we live in a
[1:14:51] coastal community and you shouldn't have
[1:14:53] to have a boat to have access to the
[1:14:54] harbor. And this is about the common
[1:14:58] person having access to the harbor,
[1:15:00] which is a need right now. So, I mean, I
[1:15:04] think it is an amazing project. We
[1:15:06] cannot have a parking lot. We that money
[1:15:10] that we use to borrow the to pay for
[1:15:13] this does not allow us to have a parking
[1:15:15] lot. So that's not an option. We are
[1:15:17] working.
[1:15:19] >> Thank you for your comment. We are
[1:15:21] working on a on additional parking in
[1:15:23] the harbor and we are working with the
[1:15:26] committee is setting up on that. So
[1:15:29] we're doing our best on that as well. Um
[1:15:33] are we and I will also say one other
[1:15:36] thing we received I know from last
[1:15:40] night's vote on the advisory to tonight
[1:15:42] we we received multiple letters of
[1:15:44] support of the project as well um
[1:15:46] directed to the select board regarding
[1:15:49] support of the project on how awesome it
[1:15:52] was and how appreciative they were for
[1:15:54] the uh just for the efforts of the
[1:15:57] committee for what it turned out the
[1:16:00] project and on numerous things. So, we
[1:16:03] also I do want to put that in for the
[1:16:04] record, too. Are we ready for a motion?
[1:16:07] >> Miss Harrison, Miss Harrison, we do have
[1:16:09] virtual hands raised if you are
[1:16:11] >> uh I guess we took one person take a
[1:16:13] moment, right? Okay,
[1:16:14] >> you get it, Jennifer.
[1:16:16] >> All right, Jennifer, you have your hand
[1:16:18] raised on your uh Jennifer's iPhone.
[1:16:20] Could you please um set unmute and name
[1:16:24] and address for the record, please?
[1:16:27] >> Yeah. Uh Jennifer Keune. It's 20 Harry
[1:16:29] Lichfield Lane.
[1:16:32] And um I would ask the board, how long
[1:16:36] is it going to take to pay off this 3
[1:16:38] million with all the other money that
[1:16:40] we're borrowing? Is it going to take 10
[1:16:43] years, 20 years?
[1:16:48] » All the CPC borrowing I put in for 10 so
[1:16:52] it doesn't lock the town in. So the CPC
[1:16:54] borrowing in this is similar to the
[1:16:56] athletic field we put in for 10 years.
[1:17:00] >> Okay. Well, I think that the design is
[1:17:03] um not the correct design for the space.
[1:17:06] I think the town and the residents have
[1:17:09] plenty of access to the harbor and I
[1:17:11] think that the board should hold off on
[1:17:13] this.
[1:17:15] >> Thank you for your comment.
[1:17:16] >> Thank you.
[1:17:17] >> Are there any are there additional
[1:17:18] comments in the room?
[1:17:23] No.
[1:17:24] >> Okay.
[1:17:26] Motion
[1:17:27] >> move to recommend
[1:17:31] the sum of $3,835,165
[1:17:35] for the pier 44 park structure project
[1:17:39] from CPC.
[1:17:40] >> Second.
[1:17:41] >> Moved by Mr. Gilmore, second by Dr.
[1:17:44] Konosenko. All in favor?
[1:17:46] >> Opposed?
[1:17:47] >> No.
[1:17:48] >> Four ones.
[1:17:51] Thank you again.
[1:17:51] >> Hey, thank you.
[1:17:53] >> Appreciate all your work.
[1:18:05] » All right. Next, we have
[1:18:12] » Whoa. Wooden current discussing the
[1:18:15] water treatment plant update.
[1:18:18] Yay.
[1:18:19] >> Good evening.
[1:18:22] I'm on budget, I hear.
[1:18:24] >> Yes. [laughter]
[1:18:26] >> Excellent.
[1:18:28] >> And we had
[1:18:30] >> Yes.
[1:18:35] » Jamie and I were there last week. We
[1:18:38] were very impressed with the progress.
[1:18:41] >> Great. I'm I'm happy to hear that. And
[1:18:43] um
[1:18:44] >> question speaks.
[1:18:46] >> Okay. [laughter]
[1:18:48] I'll direct your comments to Mark.
[1:18:52] >> They do have the paving down which is a
[1:18:53] big improvement.
[1:18:56] >> Yeah. No, there's definitely been a lot
[1:18:57] of um yeah, progress each week. So,
[1:19:00] appreciate um yes, you allowing us to
[1:19:03] provide an update here tonight. Um I
[1:19:05] know I've met all of you, but I'm Lauren
[1:19:07] Hurdle with Ren, project manager on the project here. Um so our agenda
[1:19:12] will run through the project status,
[1:19:14] construction progress, upcoming
[1:19:16] construction activities, our ongoing
[1:19:19] coordination, and then open up for
[1:19:20] comments and questions.
[1:19:23] >> So sharing uh where we're at with
[1:19:25] submittals. So right now we have 736
[1:19:28] mills closed to date that the the team
[1:19:31] has reviewed and vetted. Uh we have two
[1:19:33] open submittals and really what remains
[1:19:35] for submittals are ONM manuals. all
[1:19:38] major equipment has been approved and is
[1:19:40] either on-site or installed. So, we're far into the submittal process.
[1:19:45] So, it's really on and at this point we
[1:19:48] have three open RFIs that we are um
[1:19:52] reviewing. So, that's request for
[1:19:54] information.
[1:19:56] As far as schedule goes, we are on track
[1:19:58] with our final completion of June 8th,
[1:20:01] 2027
[1:20:04] and we have um percent progress as of 91
[1:20:08] 2026. So that's our most recent pay.
[1:20:11] We're complete by 81.3% by payment and
[1:20:15] by final completion um we're 73.8%
[1:20:18] on time.
[1:20:22] Just to interject, the difference
[1:20:24] between substantial completion is final
[1:20:26] completion. That's the time that we are
[1:20:28] in the plant running the plant making
[1:20:30] sure it works, all the systems work
[1:20:32] before it actually gets checked. So
[1:20:35] several months work in the plant before
[1:20:38] it actually goes live the
[1:20:44] » Sorry.
[1:20:44] >> No, it's perfect.
[1:20:46] And so I'm sharing this slide. We're not
[1:20:49] here for, you know, requesting approval
[1:20:51] to a change order tonight. Um, but we
[1:20:53] are in negotiations and review with the
[1:20:56] contract. We're currently on a pending
[1:20:57] change order. So, I wanted to be able to
[1:20:59] provide this information just so you're
[1:21:01] aware of where we are with the with the
[1:21:03] contract. So, we we have presented and come up, you know, to the board for
[1:21:07] approval of change orders one through
[1:21:09] four. that totals an amount of 1.14
[1:21:12] million with our current contract value
[1:21:14] of up the 59 million um 850,000.
[1:21:18] So our contingency that we started with
[1:21:20] we're at 2.9
[1:21:23] um with the change orders one through
[1:21:24] four approved we have you know just shy
[1:21:27] of 1.8 million in contingency remaining.
[1:21:30] Um, so just again wanted to give this
[1:21:32] information so you know where we are
[1:21:33] from the financial standpoint and a
[1:21:35] little more detail as far as contingency
[1:21:37] goes and when we are ready and we have
[1:21:40] costs to review um we will be sure to
[1:21:43] you know bring that to the board's
[1:21:44] attention
[1:21:45] >> and that change order has to do with the
[1:21:48] intake at that time.
[1:21:50] >> Oh no that's a a separate project. Thank
[1:21:52] you. So that's the actual construction
[1:21:54] of
[1:21:54] >> Yeah, that's I know you don't want to
[1:21:56] talk about
[1:21:56] >> Oh, yeah. No, no. And it's only out of
[1:21:58] respect of we want to make sure we have
[1:22:00] all the information in place. Okay. Yes.
[1:22:02] But um but no, the intake is something
[1:22:05] separate.
[1:22:08] » Okay. So into the fun, the progress. Um
[1:22:12] so as Yeah, Kevin noted even this photo
[1:22:16] is outdated where paving has gone down.
[1:22:18] So, um, and actually our contractor out
[1:22:20] there noted when they were laying the
[1:22:22] pavement down, um, that marked two years
[1:22:25] from the first like bucket that hit the
[1:22:27] site. So, it's just a, you know, a great
[1:22:29] milestone. Um, the project continues to
[1:22:31] be, yeah, then this goes in a little
[1:22:33] more detail of really where we are with
[1:22:35] progress. So, structural concrete is all
[1:22:38] complete. That was a large undertaking.
[1:22:41] Over 6,000 cubic yards of concrete. So,
[1:22:43] all of that is in. We just have
[1:22:45] miscellaneous like sidewalks remaining.
[1:22:48] masonry um just about there as well.
[1:22:50] What's remaining for masonry is the
[1:22:52] decorative um masonry on the outside of
[1:22:55] the building, but all the concrete
[1:22:56] masonry block that really builds the
[1:22:58] structure, all of that is complete. Um
[1:23:01] noting, you know, just kind of going
[1:23:03] through the list like where, as you can
[1:23:05] see, we're 90 85 like really what
[1:23:07] remains. um site restoration. We still
[1:23:10] know have a bit to go, but that really
[1:23:12] buttons up once you have the um once you
[1:23:16] have the paving in place. Now the team
[1:23:18] can really work uh the contractors can
[1:23:20] work and start to grade along the site.
[1:23:22] That kind of that becomes the base of
[1:23:24] the structure and um you know really
[1:23:27] this the startup and working through
[1:23:29] equipment testing. That's going to be
[1:23:32] the major focus as we you know continue
[1:23:35] on here.
[1:23:38] Just sharing a few more photos. You can
[1:23:40] see the progress that was made in um oh
[1:23:45] >> yeah just yeah just point through like
[1:23:47] we have the uh in the garage space we
[1:23:49] have our backwash pumps uh piping in the
[1:23:51] pipe gallery that's noted there.
[1:23:55] >> Go yeah I can go to the next slide and
[1:23:56] in this so I wanted to show just the
[1:23:58] different steps of um you know the
[1:24:00] waterproofing getting the um you know
[1:24:03] all the insulation in the prep for
[1:24:05] siding. So, it kind of walks through and
[1:24:06] you can see the finished product. Um,
[1:24:09] it's probably, you know, clearer on site
[1:24:11] where you can see the the siding there,
[1:24:12] but the the back side of the the picture
[1:24:14] all the way to the right is really the finished product there as far as
[1:24:20] and so what you know, I noted here site
[1:24:22] paving. This was prepared before Friday.
[1:24:25] Uh, but the paving is now um well, the binder of course is down. Final
[1:24:29] paving will be done once all the
[1:24:30] equipment is off the site and we're no
[1:24:32] longer running the heavy loads through
[1:24:34] there.
[1:24:35] um process piping treatment. That
[1:24:37] insulation is ongoing and really looking
[1:24:40] towards the the startup, getting the
[1:24:42] electrical um all the controls in place
[1:24:45] so that we can you know start testing
[1:24:47] the system and and getting to water
[1:24:50] being pumped through this facility.
[1:24:56] And um and I know this is a familiar
[1:24:58] slide, but why I like to to keep it here
[1:25:01] is really we we do focus on
[1:25:03] communication weekly touch points where
[1:25:06] the town is present, the contractor, uh
[1:25:08] wing car and our RPR. Um and I did want
[1:25:11] to just highlight I was talking to our
[1:25:13] resident inspector today and and he just
[1:25:15] said that, you know, he sees it as a a a
[1:25:18] crew that cares and he's been doing this
[1:25:20] for about 50 years. And so to hear, you
[1:25:23] know, that he's seeing that this crew
[1:25:24] really cares about their work is it's,
[1:25:27] you know, it was warm for me to hear. I
[1:25:28] want to share it here with you as well.
[1:25:30] Our next progress meeting um will be
[1:25:32] held October 2nd and um as far as like
[1:25:36] monthly review of project schedule,
[1:25:38] payments, that's all on a monthly basis.
[1:25:42] So pause for questions.
[1:25:43] >> Questions?
[1:25:44] >> Yeah,
[1:25:46] thank you. The communication has been
[1:25:48] fabulous. It's been really good. really
[1:25:50] do appreciate it. Um I it might be time
[1:25:54] humble thought or suggestion to think
[1:25:57] about we had the
[1:26:00] violation that we had to maybe [snorts]
[1:26:02] get some facts out about how this new
[1:26:04] plan will be able to address the exactly
[1:26:07] how they can address like water. You
[1:26:10] know, again, not that again, this is a
[1:26:13] panacea, but how these things are going
[1:26:15] to be addressed, all these different
[1:26:18] types of issues that we've had.
[1:26:22] We thought of it, we've seen it, they
[1:26:23] could kind of knock them out of the
[1:26:24] park. So, I'm starting to get the sense
[1:26:27] some people are kind of anxious saying,
[1:26:29] well, gez are still getting these. I
[1:26:30] thought the water plant was got a So,
[1:26:34] anyway, I just think it could be the
[1:26:35] time now to kind of change.
[1:26:36] >> We can do some kind of frequently asked
[1:26:38] questions. Yeah, because it's put in so
[1:26:41] much work. It's going to address all
[1:26:42] these issues. We just need to make sure
[1:26:44] people know so they're even more comfort
[1:26:46] more excited for the 259 days. Let's try
[1:26:50] that [laughter]
[1:26:52] off.
[1:26:55] » So, we were even talking about bringing
[1:26:57] Seth through and doing a doing a video
[1:26:59] maybe at some point in the future and
[1:27:02] put that up and put that on YouTube so
[1:27:04] that people could see it. Um, one of the
[1:27:06] things Woodward current is working on is
[1:27:08] Rebecca's working on a single sheet
[1:27:11] because every time we come in, people
[1:27:13] have questions, what's this do, what's
[1:27:14] that do, it kind of explains the whole
[1:27:16] flow of the plant and we can give it to
[1:27:18] them, you know, and they can kind of
[1:27:20] follow along as they as they see the
[1:27:22] plant and that's something we can
[1:27:24] publish also
[1:27:25] >> just to see how that would go. So, we're
[1:27:27] hoping to have that as early as Friday.
[1:27:30] Uh, I'd say maybe within a week
[1:27:32] afterwards we'll review it, get
[1:27:33] everything all down. Maybe it's
[1:27:34] something we can post out
[1:27:37] >> and Seth might be two or three weeks out
[1:27:39] and we get a little further along in a
[1:27:41] couple areas.
[1:27:43] Christian back there is maybe
[1:27:47] some good questions later about it so
[1:27:49] more residents can learn about it.
[1:27:51] >> Yeah. So, because we're not using
[1:27:53] chlorine gas in the new treatment plant,
[1:27:55] does that mean that we won't have THM
[1:27:57] violation?
[1:28:01] I can address that one. Uh that's not
[1:28:03] the reason, but you will not have THM
[1:28:05] violations. The the chlorin chlorine
[1:28:07] that you put in one way or another,
[1:28:09] chlorine gas or sodium hypocchlorite, uh
[1:28:11] that's for disinfection purposes as part
[1:28:13] of the treatment process. What happens
[1:28:15] up front before that in the unit
[1:28:17] treatment processes is what's going to
[1:28:19] be much improved in the new plant versus
[1:28:21] your old plant.
[1:28:22] >> So the removal of the organics or the
[1:28:24] get to treatment will be much better on
[1:28:27] this plant than we do. Correct.
[1:28:30] >> Okay. And that will also be impacted by
[1:28:32] the capital project which we have on
[1:28:33] which is to take a lot of the silt out
[1:28:36] of the reservoir. A lot of the organics
[1:28:38] out of the reservoir. That's also
[1:28:39] problems also. But this is Rob the front
[1:28:43] end as opposed to the back end. But yes,
[1:28:46] [clears throat]
[1:28:52] » any other question?
[1:28:56] » Thank you very much. tour. It's worth
[1:29:00] update.
[1:29:02] >> We meet every Friday at site at 10 once
[1:29:05] a month. We're here
[1:29:12] » and and I will throw this out on behalf
[1:29:14] would like we have a marketing team as
[1:29:16] well. I know sub will do a tremendous
[1:29:17] job. We've done walkthroughs with yours
[1:29:19] truly providing a tour happened during
[1:29:22] COVID when you couldn't physically visit
[1:29:23] a site. So you can see me giving a tour
[1:29:26] of one of our other facilities on
[1:29:27] YouTube and our own team did that. So
[1:29:31] >> wants to take Rob will take you up on
[1:29:33] that.
[1:29:33] >> Sure.
[1:29:34] >> He just volunteered.
[1:29:36] >> I did.
[1:29:36] >> Yeah. I don't forget class once. He's
[1:29:39] very good.
[1:29:39] >> I think people should be really
[1:29:42] I don't use excited but excited for this
[1:29:44] plan coming online. I know Eric doesn't
[1:29:46] sleep all summer because we have one of
[1:29:48] everything. If the plane goes down,
[1:29:50] we're in big trouble. So the redundancy
[1:29:53] much much higher level of treatment that
[1:29:56] we're going to do organics [snorts]
[1:29:58] your ground water we're going to keep
[1:29:59] fing mayonnaise in our teeth for now
[1:30:02] PTHMS
[1:30:03] is really it's going to it's not going
[1:30:05] to cure everything there's always still
[1:30:07] going to be problem but a lot of the
[1:30:09] nagging stuff that we've been seeing is
[1:30:11] going to go a long way to clean a lot of
[1:30:13] stuff people should be excited for this
[1:30:17] >> yeah and and it'll take a while it's not
[1:30:19] going to just be flipping a switch it'll take a while to get all the
[1:30:23] sediment out of the pipes. I I want to
[1:30:25] make sure people are aware of that.
[1:30:26] Also, it's not just going to happen.
[1:30:28] We've got enough, you know, enough pipe
[1:30:31] to go from here. It'll almost pull in
[1:30:32] Maine. So, it's not just going to all
[1:30:34] flush at once. So, take that, but it'll
[1:30:38] be a big improvement.
[1:30:39] >> It can't bring me down. I'm still upset.
[1:30:41] >> No, I am too. Believe me,
[1:30:43] >> I think realistic expectations are a
[1:30:45] good thing and I think that we need to
[1:30:48] as you said just start start
[1:30:50] communicating with public about what
[1:30:52] they can expect because it's not going
[1:30:54] to be remember it's going to be you know
[1:30:56] probably the end of next year before
[1:30:58] some of the people at the end of that
[1:30:59] pipelistication
[1:31:04] so sure they can match their own
[1:31:07] concerns as a
[1:31:09] >> thank you.
[1:31:10] >> Yeah. Thank you. All right.
[1:31:12] Now to our citric update, right?
[1:31:14] >> I stay
[1:31:17] right.
[1:31:22] » Okay.
[1:31:24] >> Tomorrow
[1:31:27] I know it.
[1:31:33] » All right.
[1:31:38] Good evening.
[1:31:43] So, we've made a a lot of progress over
[1:31:46] the last 11 months since I was before
[1:31:48] you uh last. Um here's a summary of our
[1:31:52] completed ongoing work.
[1:31:55] Uh we finished our final existing
[1:31:57] conditions work which were some
[1:31:58] geotechnical borings. Those were
[1:32:00] completed last fall. Uh we've also
[1:32:03] progressed final design to substantial
[1:32:06] completion. Uh so plans and
[1:32:08] specifications for the pump station and
[1:32:10] the site layout, the low pressure sewer,
[1:32:13] the manholes, gravity pipes, and force
[1:32:16] manual.
[1:32:17] Uh we've also uh worked through
[1:32:19] permitting. Uh there's one outstanding
[1:32:21] with the US Army Corpse of Engineers
[1:32:23] pre-construction notification. Uh we've
[1:32:26] received comments back from them and
[1:32:28] we're just awaiting a final uh permit to
[1:32:30] be provided. Uh the comments were rather
[1:32:33] minor in nature and we addressed them.
[1:32:36] Uh we've also submitted the local permit
[1:32:39] to the conservation commission, the
[1:32:40] notice of intent uh which we received a
[1:32:43] order of conditions to include with the
[1:32:46] contract documents.
[1:32:48] And the last one was the coastal zone
[1:32:50] management uh confirmation. Uh we
[1:32:53] coordinated with them and they uh gave
[1:32:56] confirmation that uh we are below the
[1:33:00] federal consistency review threshold
[1:33:02] which was great news.
[1:33:05] Uh, [clears throat] another item was uh
[1:33:07] working with developers to make sure our
[1:33:10] design uh in congruence with their plans
[1:33:13] in the north situate area. And then uh
[1:33:16] the great news was the town received a
[1:33:19] uh they got on the intended use plan for
[1:33:21] the state revolving fund uh for a low
[1:33:24] interest loan to construct the project
[1:33:26] which was great. So uh the last step for
[1:33:29] the project here before construction is
[1:33:31] working through the the loan process.
[1:33:32] So, we're preparing a package that's due
[1:33:35] on October 2nd, which we're on track to
[1:33:38] submit. The one item that came up during
[1:33:40] the preparation of the package was that
[1:33:44] uh the ownership of the parcel uh was
[1:33:46] never transferred back to the town at
[1:33:48] the conclusion of the Green Bush
[1:33:50] project. Uh was discovered during the
[1:33:52] title search. That's part of that
[1:33:54] process. So, we're actively working with
[1:33:57] the MBTA right now to uh try to resolve
[1:34:00] this issue and work through it before
[1:34:03] construction and maintain uh our project
[1:34:06] schedule.
[1:34:06] >> Is that the parcel for the pump station?
[1:34:08] >> Correct. You're talking about correct
[1:34:11] >> and uh we're prepared to pivot if to a
[1:34:14] new location if for some reason the MBTA
[1:34:17] were not able to to work through an
[1:34:20] easement or an agreement on the land
[1:34:21] ownership. So the most advantageous
[1:34:24] position by the pump station was on his
[1:34:26] on a specific parcel and when they did
[1:34:29] the deep research found out it wasn't
[1:34:31] conveyed back to the town from the rain
[1:34:33] bush project. So we've been reaching out
[1:34:35] to the MBTA. Dan's been chasing him down
[1:34:37] had multiple meetings but in the
[1:34:39] meantime I've requested him to move the
[1:34:42] design see if we can move it over to a
[1:34:45] town parcel and continue the project and
[1:34:47] not be slowed down. So that's a position
[1:34:49] where we're at now and we're going
[1:34:50] forward. So, would that person be down
[1:34:53] by the like on the other side of the
[1:34:54] train?
[1:34:55] >> It wouldn't be on the other side. It
[1:34:56] would probably be about 60 feet
[1:34:59] south far north actually from where we
[1:35:01] are now.
[1:35:02] >> So, is it the MBCA is not we're not able
[1:35:06] to meet with them or
[1:35:09] >> No, they've actually met with them twice
[1:35:10] already
[1:35:11] >> and won't make a decision.
[1:35:14] >> They move at a glacial pace.
[1:35:16] >> It's the state moving at the state's
[1:35:18] pace,
[1:35:18] >> right? And there's nothing our
[1:35:20] representatives can do about that.
[1:35:24] >> Not that's going to set it on fire.
[1:35:25] We'll work with them when we can. They
[1:35:27] were
[1:35:28] >> We try.
[1:35:30] >> I just never see the movie
[1:35:34] pace when it comes to stuff like this.
[1:35:39] » So, we're still go until it gets pushed
[1:35:42] past the
[1:35:42] >> we're leaving it the location because we
[1:35:44] think it's most advantageous position
[1:35:46] and um we will move it. will pivot it if
[1:35:49] need be. If it doesn't follow through,
[1:35:51] um Rob seemed pretty positive on it. He
[1:35:54] thought it could go through, but we're
[1:35:56] being safe either way. We're going to be
[1:35:58] able to pivot and continue and get the
[1:36:00] project out um to go forward.
[1:36:02] >> This advance is something we would still
[1:36:05] like to follow up on regardless how
[1:36:07] fast.
[1:36:08] >> Yep.
[1:36:09] >> Yes.
[1:36:11] >> The deadline for that wouldn't be the
[1:36:13] second. Whatever. No, the second just to
[1:36:15] get the application in and we we have a
[1:36:18] 100% design plan.
[1:36:20] >> We just don't have proven ownership of
[1:36:22] that location yet. So if need be by the
[1:36:24] time we went out to bid, which I think
[1:36:26] is December
[1:36:29] >> January January time frame. Yeah.
[1:36:31] >> Yeah. I think it goes on the street
[1:36:32] December. So January um we would have to
[1:36:35] have that pinned down by then.
[1:36:37] >> So yeah, sure. Deadline.
[1:36:39] >> So call January 1.
[1:36:41] >> They're still fine. It's just they're so
[1:36:43] slow
[1:36:44] >> and then around the holidays they get
[1:36:45] even
[1:36:46] >> so the this is a typo. The bidding
[1:36:48] starts in January 27
[1:36:51] >> 26
[1:36:52] >> correct? It's 27 27 January 26
[1:36:57] >> and then start off is March of 27.
[1:37:02] >> Yep. So we actually corrected that but
[1:37:04] there was a typo we picked up that was
[1:37:06] on that.
[1:37:09] on your
[1:37:11] >> Can you move it forward one sec?
[1:37:14] >> There you go.
[1:37:16] >> We got it.
[1:37:18] >> That is corrected.
[1:37:20] It is outdated. That's
[1:37:21] >> we turned it in on Friday or Thursday a
[1:37:25] Thursday at 12 and then didn't have a
[1:37:27] chance to really proof it. Good Friday
[1:37:29] and we picked that up. So, sorry about
[1:37:31] that.
[1:37:31] >> Okay. So, trucks are digging holes in
[1:37:34] the ground in March of 27.
[1:37:39] We expect a a contractor uh contractor's
[1:37:42] contract to be executed. Then there'll
[1:37:44] be a brief period of you know shop
[1:37:46] drying review and mobilization but it
[1:37:47] should be shortly after that. Yes,
[1:37:49] >> probably April.
[1:37:54] [clears throat]
[1:38:03] » Any additional any other questions?
[1:38:07] Thank you very much.
[1:38:08] >> Thank you.
[1:38:13] >> Appreciate your time.
[1:38:14] >> Yeah.
[1:38:16] >> Thank you.
[1:38:26] » Are there any additional permits to be
[1:38:27] applied for? All
[1:38:36] right,
[1:38:39] >> we're moving on to Kevin award contracts
[1:38:43] [snorts]
[1:38:44] water man replacement bay seven road.
[1:38:53] » So this is a continuation of our ongoing
[1:38:56] water work. Um we had found recently we
[1:38:59] had some pipe that was in some very bad
[1:39:01] condition there. So we're going to
[1:39:02] replace it as well. We paid the road
[1:39:04] included in this contract is an
[1:39:07] alternate um where we're going to do
[1:39:09] another 1500 ft of water work down in
[1:39:12] Humrock. So we're going to continue
[1:39:13] going down Central Avenue as part of our
[1:39:15] plan that we said we were going to
[1:39:16] continue to do. So that'll that'll give
[1:39:18] us about at the completion of that
[1:39:20] probably 45 4600 feet of um of pipe.
[1:39:24] that number.
[1:39:27] >> Thank you.
[1:39:28] >> So, um we went out the bid um had four
[1:39:31] biders and uh the low bid was uh soft
[1:39:37] >> and they done work for us before and you
[1:39:39] check the references. So,
[1:39:40] >> we've we' be their references. They've
[1:39:42] done they've done good work. We haven't
[1:39:44] had any issues. Um,
[1:39:46] we've also had uh
[1:39:49] CJP and RFS each dock and we've had good luck with all three of
[1:39:54] them. So,
[1:39:55] >> well, we like the cheapest. So, any
[1:39:58] questions?
[1:40:00] >> Uh, basic question in terms of that
[1:40:04] linear footage. How how far can give or
[1:40:07] take does that take us from the north
[1:40:09] end towards North Bridge?
[1:40:15] » You know where I think it's Bat Road
[1:40:17] right down around there where that road
[1:40:19] turns in there. I think it comes right
[1:40:21] around that location. Yeah, this
[1:40:23] ballpark.
[1:40:25] Yeah.
[1:40:27] >> Any other any other questions? Are we
[1:40:30] ready for a motion?
[1:40:32] >> Any questions in the audience? No. Move
[1:40:35] that the select board award water main
[1:40:38] places the project to South Co
[1:40:40] Construction Corp. for 2,484,497.
[1:40:46] » Second.
[1:40:47] >> Moved by M. Scholes, seconded by Mr.
[1:40:50] Gilmore. All in favor?
[1:40:53] >> Okay.
[1:40:54] >> Thank you very much.
[1:40:58] » Meeting here tomorrow
[1:41:00] >> 800 Chief Justice Police Station.
[1:41:04] Seriously,
[1:41:09] » thank you.
[1:41:16] » All right. Next on the agenda, we have
[1:41:19] um
[1:41:21] a letter of support or Norwell reached
[1:41:23] out about a letter of support to wave um
[1:41:27] down of pan on the building permit fees
[1:41:29] for the new Sasha Rosak High School. Jim
[1:41:32] has some background on this, but um the
[1:41:36] Sashore Botech is charging um town of
[1:41:39] Hanover is charging Sasha BK or
[1:41:42] attempting to charge 3.2 million permit
[1:41:45] building permit fee for the municipal
[1:41:48] school. Um traditionally not done in
[1:41:52] municipal construction or town
[1:41:54] construction. The Southshore Votech has
[1:41:57] sent a letter um to the town of Hanover
[1:42:02] saying that this is like a big, you
[1:42:05] know, a big difference in the budget, a
[1:42:07] big um change and that it would impact
[1:42:10] not only all the member towns but also
[1:42:13] Hannah
[1:42:14] um and they've already paid I think
[1:42:17] 300,000
[1:42:19] already. So, they've paid um what we
[1:42:22] think what they think is a fair cost and
[1:42:25] um I just wanted to bring it to the
[1:42:27] board's attention that Norwell's asking
[1:42:30] us to,
[1:42:32] you know, protest it. I do think there's
[1:42:34] a mid um in between saying we're really
[1:42:37] concerned. They haven't said for sure
[1:42:39] they're charging them. Um but we are
[1:42:42] concerned because it's it would be an
[1:42:44] additional how much to our budget? Three
[1:42:48] million divided by
[1:42:50] >> Yeah. I mean it's according to the the
[1:42:52] letter you guys had the letter that said
[1:42:56] about one point they're estimated to be
[1:42:58] an additional 1.7 million fees. We're
[1:43:01] anywhere between seven and 11% of that
[1:43:06] vision of the project is that'll be true
[1:43:09] up later.
[1:43:11] So as I think student laid it out fairly
[1:43:16] well really uh they have the letter from
[1:43:20] the vote they have not responded yet so
[1:43:22] the town could wait give the town hand
[1:43:25] over a chance to respond see what they
[1:43:26] say
[1:43:29] up to you that's
[1:43:30] >> we are concerned though I mean I would
[1:43:33] say I'm concerned if we have to pay more
[1:43:34] money so
[1:43:35] >> yep
[1:43:36] >> but I mean
[1:43:38] >> I'm sure I I encourage you to read the
[1:43:41] letter dating September 2nd from K law
[1:43:45] to the town of town manager. It's very
[1:43:47] well written. There's a lot of precedent
[1:43:50] cited in here. It seems like it's in
[1:43:52] order and I have no problem voting to
[1:43:55] support
[1:43:57] those request.
[1:43:59] >> Any other thoughts?
[1:44:01] I would be in favor of sending letters
[1:44:04] supporting it as not just access
[1:44:08] towns but I think the president is a bad
[1:44:10] president. I think that I'm not
[1:44:12] interested in having each of you pay
[1:44:15] more budget for something that has never
[1:44:18] been done this way. But I also think now
[1:44:23] understand giving them a chance. I'd
[1:44:24] almost rather put it on record that this
[1:44:27] is something that we don't support and
[1:44:29] we don't see it happening prior to them
[1:44:32] having a chance to
[1:44:40] » we're talking about budgets and impact
[1:44:41] on budgets. This because we did a debt
[1:44:44] exclusion on this does not impact our
[1:44:46] operating budget at all. It does impact
[1:44:52] taxes, right? It's not huge amount, but
[1:44:56] it would have an impact on what tax
[1:44:58] impact.
[1:44:59] >> It wasn't it wasn't 3.6 billion per
[1:45:03] town, right? That was the total
[1:45:05] >> letter from the vote tax be 1.7 million
[1:45:10] >> per town total.
[1:45:12] >> Total
[1:45:15] >> because they've already paid some money.
[1:45:17] >> Okay.
[1:45:18] All right. Well, I'm happy to read a
[1:45:20] motion.
[1:45:20] >> Do you Andrew?
[1:45:22] >> I mean, the number one obviously support
[1:45:25] the tech school and whatever they really
[1:45:30] need. My only caution would be that
[1:45:32] we're interjecting beforehand or
[1:45:36] technically has done anything. remember
[1:45:38] as a board if we haven't sent letters to
[1:45:40] other I know this is a little different
[1:45:42] because it's it may or may not impact
[1:45:47] I think part of us talking and and being
[1:45:50] on the record where we are so however
[1:45:54] we're going to kind of respond
[1:45:56] so that's all I just wanted that's just
[1:45:58] something new I do it's totally support
[1:46:02] >> what do you think for 20 days
[1:46:04] >> I guess just listening now we need to be
[1:46:06] taking a different tactic
[1:46:08] The board could wait until handover
[1:46:11] responds, but in the meantime, we could
[1:46:14] just reach out and say we are concerned
[1:46:17] about this and the impact that will have
[1:46:18] on our taxpayers, but we are reserving a
[1:46:23] judgment until such time as you respond.
[1:46:25] So
[1:46:26] >> now, sure, I think it's also not just
[1:46:28] the impact it's going to have on our
[1:46:29] tax. It's defending the president of a
[1:46:33] town charging
[1:46:36] dormant fees for municipal construction.
[1:46:40] So it is president. It's not just our
[1:46:43] tax.
[1:46:46] » Yeah. It's just just sets a different
[1:46:48] tone. And so
[1:46:50] >> I don't need the only there's not going
[1:46:52] to be another one of these. We don't
[1:46:53] have another multi- town project in a
[1:46:55] town. We don't have anybody building
[1:46:57] something here that belongs to another
[1:46:59] town. Maybe we have
[1:47:01] >> never
[1:47:08] » but there's there's like three cases of
[1:47:12] a lot of faith in the county pulling off
[1:47:14] a project like that. So it's not
[1:47:17] something I'm worried about. Nor do I
[1:47:19] think the desalinization plant would be
[1:47:21] located here. We just don't have any
[1:47:23] place on the coast to put it. Uh but you
[1:47:28] know uh I think Andrew makes a point
[1:47:31] they haven't done anything yet. They
[1:47:32] just got the letter. It is technical.
[1:47:35] >> They got the letter for 20 days.
[1:47:37] >> Uh no it's really just got it.
[1:47:40] >> The date
[1:47:42] September second.
[1:47:48] >> It's up to you guys.
[1:47:50] Can we just split the difference and say
[1:47:51] we're concerned
[1:47:54] >> and we're awaiting their decision?
[1:47:56] >> Yeah, we're concerned about
[1:47:58] >> that
[1:47:58] >> the impact that will have on our
[1:47:59] taxpayers.
[1:48:00] >> Yeah, I mean
[1:48:02] >> Okay,
[1:48:03] >> we are concerned about it.
[1:48:05] >> So, do we need a motion to cause them
[1:48:08] more concern?
[1:48:09] >> No, I think
[1:48:15] » I'm
[1:48:17] all concerned. journal.
[1:48:19] >> All right. Um, now we got to do discuss
[1:48:24] um special count meeting um for article
[1:48:28] recommendations and consent agenda.
[1:48:32] Um Nancy,
[1:48:34] how do we do we want to do
[1:48:37] how do we usually do this consent agenda
[1:48:40] and then go some of these consent?
[1:48:44] >> Yeah. Um, and you have the grid in front
[1:48:46] of you. So, I don't know if the board
[1:48:48] wants to,
[1:48:50] uh, since you had a you had time to go
[1:48:53] down and vote them.
[1:48:54] >> Yeah. There's something that you want to
[1:48:55] call out and discuss.
[1:48:58] >> So, we have voted everything on a agenda
[1:49:03] item.
[1:49:06] >> Um, you didn't vote legal budget.
[1:49:08] >> We didn't vote capital plan. Oh, wait.
[1:49:11] We didn't vote legal budget increase.
[1:49:13] Okay. We didn't vote capital plan, legal
[1:49:16] budget increase
[1:49:18] and
[1:49:22] » you voted article 12 and most of seven.
[1:49:24] >> Okay. You want to do
[1:49:27] >> legal budgeting? You want to just take
[1:49:28] it from the top?
[1:49:29] >> Sure.
[1:49:30] >> Have we voted because we haven't voted
[1:49:32] any of this stuff?
[1:49:33] >> No.
[1:49:37] » Why don't we vote?
[1:49:38] >> Are the green ones on the consent
[1:49:39] agenda?
[1:49:40] >> You have to decide what's on the consent
[1:49:42] agenda.
[1:49:43] This is this is NY's recommendation.
[1:49:46] >> Thinking there just be one at a time.
[1:49:51] >> Works for me.
[1:49:53] >> So just that way you don't miss it. So I
[1:49:55] one two.
[1:49:56] >> Yeah.
[1:49:58] >> Capital plan. You might want to break
[1:50:00] that into spread those out. So let's
[1:50:03] start with prior year or unpaid bills.
[1:50:08] » That So this is again on page 88.
[1:50:11] >> Yes. And you have a new hard
[1:50:16] » $14. Oh, we have a different copy.
[1:50:20] >> Um, council gave his final edits last
[1:50:22] night. So, I ran you in one.
[1:50:28] » So, approved motion for the unpaid prior
[1:50:31] bills of $74.
[1:50:32] >> Okay. Moved by Mr.
[1:50:34] >> and put on the consent agenda.
[1:50:36] >> Uh, that would be separate.
[1:50:37] >> We'll do that as separate. Move. Yes.
[1:50:39] >> Move to approve the 714 of payrolls by
[1:50:44] Mr. Goodri. Second by um Miss Schwel.
[1:50:47] All in favor? I
[1:50:53] » Okay.
[1:50:55] The budget reconciliations are just
[1:50:57] putting the funds back that we got in
[1:50:59] state aid to what was deferred from the
[1:51:01] fiscal 27 budget for Oakers comp, buying
[1:51:04] out the lease for widows walk that you
[1:51:06] previously approved and doing a little
[1:51:08] refresh up at the um clubhouse. And then
[1:51:11] it would also provide an additional
[1:51:14] network administrator midy year that
[1:51:16] would be funded from the enterprise
[1:51:18] funds which to date have never paid
[1:51:20] anything for the information technology
[1:51:22] services.
[1:51:23] >> Yeah. And this is um
[1:51:27] with a new um with a new treatment plan
[1:51:30] coming on with all the enterprise funds.
[1:51:32] We just have a lot more technology. Um
[1:51:35] and it's it's just such a need with
[1:51:39] and it would come out of the enterprise
[1:51:41] fund. It would this position would not
[1:51:43] come out of our project. It would come
[1:51:45] out of this specific
[1:51:48] >> with all the cyber attacks that have
[1:51:49] happened.
[1:51:50] >> Really good idea, especially and we're
[1:51:52] bringing on systems that have more
[1:51:54] technology.
[1:51:55] >> The last two weeks you've had two public
[1:51:58] school in Springfield was up for a week.
[1:52:01] [clears throat]
[1:52:01] Every town hall was shut down for a week
[1:52:03] by cyber attacks. And then you go back
[1:52:06] to East Bridgewater which uh was once
[1:52:09] scammed basically out of over $400,000
[1:52:12] for a cyber spoofing attack. So wow.
[1:52:16] >> So do we need a motion? Motion questions
[1:52:19] on that motion to recommend article two
[1:52:24] uh approve
[1:52:26] article two as written by Mr. Second by
[1:52:29] Mr. All in favor.
[1:52:32] >> So that's unanimous as well.
[1:52:34] Um, capital plan.
[1:52:38] Do you want to split that one out?
[1:52:40] >> Yeah, split it out.
[1:52:42] >> There's two items. There's the truck and
[1:52:44] as a reminder, that was the truck that
[1:52:46] was in an in a um accident and it will
[1:52:51] this $57,000 is will be insurance.
[1:52:55] >> No, we're paying for it and we're trying
[1:52:57] to get insurance back. It's not covered
[1:52:59] by insurance because the age of the
[1:53:01] truck. Oh,
[1:53:02] >> so we don't have replacement. And again,
[1:53:04] the accident was not all of the time.
[1:53:07] >> Okay. So, we're trying to get money.
[1:53:09] >> We are trying to get some back.
[1:53:12] >> Was the driver insured?
[1:53:14] >> Uh, no. They were shaken up. They were
[1:53:16] transported. They
[1:53:17] >> were they insured the person.
[1:53:20] >> Yes.
[1:53:21] >> But for a very low value truck.
[1:53:24] >> Yeah. We're not going to get much. We
[1:53:25] won't get the value. All right. I move
[1:53:28] to approve the capital project of the
[1:53:31] replacement of the F350.
[1:53:35] Second.
[1:53:36] >> All right. Move second by. All in favor?
[1:53:40] I. So the truck is unanimous by fo.
[1:53:45] And then next we have the police
[1:53:47] firearms and decision making training
[1:53:51] facility. This is
[1:53:54] the facility that this is the exact same
[1:53:57] thing, right? That did not pass last
[1:54:00] meeting and it's just more money this
[1:54:03] time. Is that correct?
[1:54:04] >> Yeah. 62% of the vote last time.
[1:54:07] >> Yeah, it it passed by a majority but not
[1:54:10] enough for borrowing.
[1:54:12] >> 2/3 vote 60% but it didn't get 66 and
[1:54:15] 2/3. [clears throat]
[1:54:16] >> And we're using 1.5
[1:54:19] million of our free dash. Yes, rest will
[1:54:22] be borrowed.
[1:54:23] >> How much cash do we have left?
[1:54:27] >> After the FEMA hit
[1:54:29] >> 3.7 million for the capital plan and
[1:54:31] then a half a million held in reserve.
[1:54:33] And there is one thing that um hasn't
[1:54:36] been called out on this project is that
[1:54:38] the contingency is five almost $500,000.
[1:54:43] » So you're 2.7 million.
[1:54:46] >> Yeah.
[1:54:46] It's got it's got a huge
[1:54:48] contingency on it
[1:54:49] >> because construction costs or
[1:54:52] environmental or
[1:54:54] >> I thought it was like
[1:54:57] >> who design
[1:54:58] >> prefab thing. No,
[1:54:59] >> it it's a prefab thing but um Chief
[1:55:03] Thompson has had lots of experience with
[1:55:05] building things and with especially with
[1:55:08] public safety building and he put a
[1:55:09] healthy contingency in there. If you
[1:55:11] want to reduce it, we can reduce it. But
[1:55:14] there is a good possibility if they'd
[1:55:15] ever use any of that contingency that
[1:55:17] you're going to be um several
[1:55:19] hundred,000 under that amount.
[1:55:22] >> Where's that budget for us to see?
[1:55:26] >> Capital
[1:55:33] that didn't change last.
[1:55:38] » No, because that it's not part of the
[1:55:40] capital plan anymore.
[1:55:42] But I'll I'll get I'll send it to Sam
[1:55:44] and he can put it up for you.
[1:55:45] >> Okay.
[1:55:47] I guess and then I asked about overtime
[1:55:50] because the argument for this is worth
[1:55:52] saving money on overtime.
[1:55:54] >> What do we get for that?
[1:55:56] >> It's $30,000 annually roughly in
[1:56:00] overtime.
[1:56:01] >> 340
[1:56:02] >> 3240
[1:56:03] >> just for the training.
[1:56:06] >> That seems like a big swing. What's the
[1:56:08] potential
[1:56:09] of lending it out to other people
[1:56:12] to other
[1:56:13] >> the swing is because you don't know
[1:56:15] who's available when. If you have a full
[1:56:17] shift, someone can go to training while
[1:56:21] they're on regular time. If you get
[1:56:23] short-handed, then everybody's going
[1:56:24] over time. So really that that kind of
[1:56:30] details some of that Why people go
[1:56:32] how they're available to $40,000 a year.
[1:56:35] You know again this is this is about
[1:56:37] training availability for training the
[1:56:39] ability to have facilities.
[1:56:41] >> We are running out of places to train.
[1:56:45] >> Yeah. I guess what have we done? What
[1:56:47] have we done since the failed vote
[1:56:51] between now and then besides add money
[1:56:53] to this
[1:56:55] >> in regards to
[1:56:56] >> I don't know like any of the concerns
[1:56:58] raised
[1:56:59] >> well
[1:57:02] >> one of the concerns raised was had we
[1:57:03] reached out to other communities to help
[1:57:05] us and that's what they had done for the
[1:57:07] first couple of years that this was on
[1:57:08] the plan and everyone wants to be a
[1:57:12] party to using it but nobody has the
[1:57:14] money to put up for capital. No, we
[1:57:17] don't have the money either.
[1:57:18] >> Yeah, we don't have the money either.
[1:57:22] So, I didn't have money when we before
[1:57:23] you. So, we we do have the money to do
[1:57:25] it this year.
[1:57:26] >> And Seth, I sent you that spreadsheet.
[1:57:29] >> Got it.
[1:57:31] >> But does this okay if we don't spend
[1:57:33] this money that we have and it's in
[1:57:38] free cash, right? Like free cash. Free
[1:57:41] cash stays there. So,
[1:57:42] >> but it can go to stabilize certain
[1:57:45] things.
[1:57:46] if needed, right? Like if we needed more
[1:57:48] money for gas and there wasn't
[1:57:50] >> Yeah. I mean, we save say we reserve at
[1:57:53] least half a million dollars of free
[1:57:55] cash
[1:57:57] from capital. So half million that Nancy
[1:57:59] and I do not put anywhere at the end of
[1:58:02] our budget recommendations in case
[1:58:04] something like that.
[1:58:07] >> Yeah. So this is
[1:58:10] >> so it just it wouldn't get spent unless
[1:58:12] something really bad came up and then it
[1:58:17] >> well it already cash
[1:58:19] >> we had $3.1 million FEMA disaster hit us
[1:58:22] and we still managed to pull this out
[1:58:24] and still have money for this. So I
[1:58:26] would say we already had a big curve
[1:58:28] ball and still managed to weather fiscal
[1:58:30] management
[1:58:30] >> or how are we doing on the FEMA
[1:58:32] deadlines for October?
[1:58:35] >> Um good. I think uh
[1:58:37] >> they're going to take more money if we
[1:58:38] don't
[1:58:38] >> Kevin gave marching orders to the
[1:58:40] consultants. The question is was
[1:58:41] unminded about the amount of rock that
[1:58:43] FEMA is going to reimburse for and we
[1:58:47] just said whatever FEMA is going to
[1:58:48] reimburse us for that's what we're going
[1:58:49] to put in. So change it get in there. So
[1:58:51] I think we'll be okay in those
[1:58:52] deadlines. We'll buy it. Could you have
[1:58:55] a neighbor?
[1:58:56] >> I I guess I'm just concerned
[1:59:00] 1.5 million.
[1:59:03] I've never
[1:59:06] This is a priority. I don't see anyone
[1:59:09] from local PD here. And all the time
[1:59:12] I've never had any reject to me and say
[1:59:14] that this is important.
[1:59:16] Not once.
[1:59:17] There's no one here to support it. And
[1:59:19] it's 1.5 million. I've got a million.
[1:59:23] I've got I've got hundreds of emails
[1:59:26] people asking for sidewalks,
[1:59:29] but we're not going to build an inch of
[1:59:30] a new sidewalk
[1:59:33] um or fix potholes
[1:59:36] because we're not we're going to lose
[1:59:38] money some other place. I guess I'm just
[1:59:39] really concerned between
[1:59:44] if this is really need or not. I don't
[1:59:46] it hasn't been
[1:59:48] expressed to me that this is a major
[1:59:50] concern and is it going to get us closer
[1:59:52] to what I always thought that we're
[1:59:53] still down short. I know it's different
[1:59:55] buckets. We're down and short officers
[2:00:01] and I I still don't have enough on
[2:00:03] exactly who's building it. Just
[2:00:07] >> it's a convex. It's a prefab
[2:00:10] uh box that they come and drop on um a
[2:00:14] concrete pad. Now, Chief Thompson would
[2:00:16] have been here tonight. We just didn't
[2:00:17] tell him that this was going to be on
[2:00:19] the agenda tonight. He was at Capitol.
[2:00:22] >> It's a $2.7 million project. We're not
[2:00:26] building of a new sidewalk. We have a
[2:00:28] whole committee dedicated to new
[2:00:30] sidewalks.
[2:00:32] >> And you have a capital planning
[2:00:34] committee that recommended this to you
[2:00:35] two years in a row.
[2:00:37] >> Yeah. And and the voters just rejected
[2:00:39] it.
[2:00:41] >> The town voted a majority of it. It had
[2:00:43] it been a free cash, it would have it'd
[2:00:45] be done now.
[2:00:47] >> Oh, so we put it free cash so it only
[2:00:50] needs money.
[2:00:50] >> No, it still needed two.
[2:00:53] >> We weren't going to dedicate 2.7 million
[2:00:55] for it.
[2:00:57] >> We could switch the article to borrowing
[2:00:59] and free up that free cash for something
[2:01:01] else.
[2:01:02] >> You can take the contingency out of it.
[2:01:04] It's on the screen.
[2:01:04] >> Is not here because the board approved
[2:01:06] this 4 to one in the spring. So may help
[2:01:11] on me. I didn't think the board had
[2:01:12] changed its support on this.
[2:01:14] >> Well, we $3 million, I mean, things have
[2:01:16] changed. Um, yes, but the chief of
[2:01:19] police's endorsement of this and his
[2:01:21] professional request for this and his
[2:01:24] foresight, we trust him to run the damn
[2:01:26] department and he does an excellent job.
[2:01:29] So, why would we question his veracity
[2:01:30] now when we voted for it already part
[2:01:33] two? Just because it just because it
[2:01:36] didn't get to 66%.
[2:01:39] We have to revisit the Yeah. Because the in my humble opinion is that
[2:01:43] a the vote they they had an opportunity
[2:01:46] to pass it and it failed. It failed.
[2:01:48] Right. We're talking about today because
[2:01:50] it failed. Two, we've lost $3 million
[2:01:53] from FEMA. So, the world has changed. We
[2:01:56] have expenses that are going up and I'm
[2:01:58] getting more and more nerves between
[2:02:00] exactly from again needs and wants.
[2:02:05] We've lived so many years without this
[2:02:07] sort of a training could go another year
[2:02:10] and I understand that if this fails at
[2:02:12] this time you didn't hear we just keep trying to get it again.
[2:02:17] >> It's not on your plan by the way. Could
[2:02:19] we put this in it? Can we wait till
[2:02:20] April to do this? We took it off the
[2:02:23] plan and brought it back in the in the
[2:02:26] spring. We can stick it back on the plan
[2:02:28] and the price is just going to keep
[2:02:30] going up.
[2:02:31] >> Everything I know that's why I wanted to
[2:02:32] build sidewalks six years ago and we
[2:02:34] haven't built a foot of new sidewalks,
[2:02:38] but we're going to build a box for $2.7
[2:02:40] million.
[2:02:40] >> We're actually going to improve the
[2:02:42] training of our officers and God help us
[2:02:44] in case something goes wrong and our
[2:02:45] training isn't up to
[2:02:47] >> I would disagree. Okay.
[2:02:48] >> I would say that our officers are
[2:02:50] they're getting the training. They're
[2:02:52] just not getting it conveniently.
[2:02:53] >> They're not getting this level of
[2:02:54] training. So, I understand
[2:02:56] >> they are training at a facility that's
[2:02:59] not in our town. Correct. They're doing
[2:03:01] tactical training. They have to qualify.
[2:03:04] >> They're doing minimum.
[2:03:05] >> They're doing the minimum training
[2:03:06] required by law
[2:03:08] >> that every other place
[2:03:09] >> every other department does. This would
[2:03:10] be advanced training beyond what we can
[2:03:12] do at an outdoor shooting range.
[2:03:14] >> Correct. Is there any other town in
[2:03:16] Massachusetts that has this train?
[2:03:18] >> Ashland has one of these units.
[2:03:20] >> Ashland.
[2:03:21] >> There's another town that is putting
[2:03:22] one. We could find out the is putting
[2:03:24] one in as part of new station.
[2:03:28] » No, no, no. Boston, no big cities.
[2:03:32] They're
[2:03:34] >> they have firing ranges as part of their
[2:03:36] facilities.
[2:03:37] >> We had one in the old one. Boston has it
[2:03:40] own firing range.
[2:03:42] Boston people don't complain about it.
[2:03:46] I I feel I understand the concerns and I would agree with the concept that
[2:03:51] yes, things have changed. We're we're in
[2:03:53] a discussion of of a lot of budget
[2:03:55] considerations that we didn't have this
[2:03:57] time last year, but
[2:04:00] free cash doesn't solve for an override.
[2:04:04] Free cash doesn't solve for some of the
[2:04:06] other budget considerations we're going
[2:04:08] to have. My I support this as much now
[2:04:12] as I supported it in April. My concern
[2:04:16] is that if we push this to April, if we
[2:04:19] have to have a override discussion on
[2:04:22] the war in April,
[2:04:24] if we think that it's going to have
[2:04:26] challenges in October, there's just no
[2:04:29] way that it's going to be successful in
[2:04:30] April. We're talking about pushing in at
[2:04:32] least a whole year or more. Bitcoin
[2:04:35] $200,000 in six months,
[2:04:38] >> right? That's precisely my problem is
[2:04:41] that if it's not if it's not gonna pass
[2:04:43] in April, we think it's like we're
[2:04:46] trying to sneak an end
[2:04:49] of it.
[2:04:50] >> I'm simply talking about the No, I'm
[2:04:52] actually talking simply about the you've
[2:04:54] actually talked to me about this before.
[2:04:55] The idea it's not sneaking anything.
[2:04:58] It's about literally trying to overload
[2:05:00] a warrant with financial considerations
[2:05:03] in one meeting.
[2:05:04] >> We have financial considerations now. We
[2:05:07] know what we're looking at. So, I don't
[2:05:10] see why we need to spend money on
[2:05:12] something that we don't desperately
[2:05:14] need. We don't desperately need this. We
[2:05:17] definitely need seaw walls. We
[2:05:20] definitely need gasoline in our truck to
[2:05:23] plow streets. There's things you
[2:05:25] definitely need and we don't
[2:05:28] I don't know. Let's just vote. Let's
[2:05:30] vote on it.
[2:05:31] >> If we vote on it and vote it down, how
[2:05:34] does that the perception
[2:05:36] or do we do we vote to can we postpone
[2:05:40] it or do we just vote to not recommend
[2:05:43] it?
[2:05:44] >> I mean, deserve to
[2:05:47] >> I don't even know if
[2:05:49] >> it's it's you voted this article onto
[2:05:51] the warrant. You don't have to vote to
[2:05:54] recommend it. And the capital planning's
[2:05:57] recommendation to you for the dollar
[2:05:59] amount, you can change it.
[2:06:02] So if you wanted if you wanted to take
[2:06:05] the contingency out or cut it in half,
[2:06:08] that's something you could do. If you
[2:06:09] wanted to move the project forward, if
[2:06:11] you want to just vote vote against it,
[2:06:13] you can vote against it. And and that's
[2:06:15] your recommendation at town meeting.
[2:06:17] That's within your perview.
[2:06:18] >> A large contingency for reasons that we
[2:06:21] don't have tonight. from one of the
[2:06:22] trust chief and other people that put
[2:06:24] this together. They want a large
[2:06:25] contingency. To me, a large contingency
[2:06:28] to me means that we can explain the
[2:06:30] meeting when we're talking about this
[2:06:31] that it should
[2:06:34] because construction it shouldn't really
[2:06:36] have a large contingency. That money
[2:06:38] should very
[2:06:43] I don't think
[2:06:44] anything. In fact, if anything, it gives
[2:06:46] us a good point.
[2:06:50] >> [laughter]
[2:06:51] >> I'm not I don't like
[2:06:57] » I would argue it's actually the opposite
[2:06:59] because it was kind of sitting out here
[2:07:01] by itself opposed to being buried on 25.
[2:07:05] >> Everybody else got the message on
[2:07:07] capital improvement that it's a tough
[2:07:09] area except for the police department is
[2:07:11] what it says.
[2:07:14] >> That's
[2:07:16] don't agree with you. I don't I don't
[2:07:18] think that's a fair characterization.
[2:07:20] >> I think that's what it looks like.
[2:07:22] >> We recommended I recommended that it be
[2:07:24] put on the special need to put on the
[2:07:26] special. Here it is.
[2:07:31] >> We wanted this.
[2:07:32] >> We didn't put it on. We heard.
[2:07:35] >> Yeah, we did.
[2:07:37] >> Yes, we did.
[2:07:39] >> So, the board had not wanted to do it.
[2:07:41] We We would have taken off and be part
[2:07:43] of the regular capital because we voted
[2:07:44] to put it on here. Nancy and I removed
[2:07:47] it from the capital budget for next
[2:07:48] spring because we're not going to have
[2:07:50] us two places. As we said, if it fails
[2:07:52] at this time meeting, I'm not bringing
[2:07:54] it back in spring. It's not
[2:07:58] again I think not desperately needed
[2:08:01] now.
[2:08:03] Yeah, if we don't build it tomorrow
[2:08:05] desperately needed, no. Are we going to
[2:08:07] wait till it's desperately needed or
[2:08:08] until God wish we had it?
[2:08:11] >> We waited to definitely treat plant for
[2:08:14] five extra years. I don't think you
[2:08:15] want.
[2:08:18] » Well, I keep coming.
[2:08:20] >> If if we need tactical
[2:08:23] training more than we need clean water,
[2:08:25] then I don't think that anything.
[2:08:27] >> I think that's a confirmed. I don't know
[2:08:29] why. I
[2:08:30] >> don't think
[2:08:32] I mean I guess we got
[2:08:34] >> somebody make a motion to somebody.
[2:08:36] >> I think Nico's point is the water
[2:08:38] treatment plant should have been done
[2:08:40] >> 20 years ago. Yes. Significant less than
[2:08:44] we're paying for it now.
[2:08:45] >> Absolutely.
[2:08:46] >> And the town at the time kept putting it
[2:08:47] off, putting it off, and then all a
[2:08:49] sudden
[2:08:50] >> 50 years this town didn't do anything
[2:08:51] for any of us.
[2:08:53] >> 50 years.
[2:08:55] >> Okay.
[2:08:55] >> All right. Motion. I will hear a motion.
[2:08:58] Anyone?
[2:09:01] >> This is article three capital
[2:09:03] improvement a police firearms and
[2:09:05] decision making training facility. I
[2:09:09] move to support the police firearms and
[2:09:11] making training facility in article 3
[2:09:13] capital improvement plan A for 2,730,650
[2:09:19] cash 1.53 million and
[2:09:22] >> moved by Dr. Flanko
[2:09:25] >> second by Mr. for Gilmore. All in favor?
[2:09:30] >> I.
[2:09:33] >> All opposed?
[2:09:34] >> No.
[2:09:36] So, you got to do three.
[2:09:41] » All right.
[2:09:43] Next one
[2:09:47] >> is
[2:09:47] >> next is transfers to reserves.
[2:09:51] >> And this is um bringing your sped
[2:09:54] reserve up from 50%.
[2:09:57] um bringing your capitalization fund up
[2:10:00] to us acquired under reserve policy 5
[2:10:02] and then the rest is just uh enterprise
[2:10:04] funds prefounding oped.
[2:10:07] >> Okay. Any questions on this funding?
[2:10:18] » Do we have a motion
[2:10:21] article transfers to reserves? Moved by
[2:10:25] M. Flego, second by Dr. Koseno. All in
[2:10:28] favor?
[2:10:29] >> I 50
[2:10:32] >> fund FEMA deficits.
[2:10:34] >> So this would pay down the note we were
[2:10:36] forced to issue um in July. 500,000
[2:10:41] would come from free cash because that's
[2:10:43] the portion that we will never recover.
[2:10:46] And then 1.9 million is proposed from
[2:10:48] the stabilization fund because we should
[2:10:51] recover approximately 1.9 million. And
[2:10:54] the article notates that when those
[2:10:56] proceeds come in, they should be
[2:10:58] transferred back to the stabilization
[2:10:59] fund to replenish it.
[2:11:02] >> Any questions on this one?
[2:11:05] >> We tried to require that they would go
[2:11:07] directly back to the stabilization. We
[2:11:10] can't
[2:11:12] >> but we're directing ourselves.
[2:11:14] >> So they'll end up going to your free
[2:11:16] cash and then you identify that portion
[2:11:18] of it move
[2:11:20] >> which we just saves a step. Yeah. And
[2:11:23] we're making it clear what it is to
[2:11:25] happen.
[2:11:28] >> Yeah. I mean, we would have to go to
[2:11:29] town meeting.
[2:11:30] >> We will town council. Town council blow
[2:11:33] a hole in it.
[2:11:34] >> Dang it. But that's what it was. All
[2:11:36] right.
[2:11:36] >> We would hope to do that, but that's
[2:11:38] going to just be a transfer April
[2:11:39] essentially.
[2:11:40] >> Yeah. But then also saying what we meant
[2:11:42] to do about it.
[2:11:43] >> Okay. Any other questions besides
[2:11:48] that? Um, do you have a motion
[2:11:50] >> for by FEMA deficit?
[2:11:54] >> Second.
[2:11:54] >> Moved by MGO, second by Dr. All in
[2:11:58] favor.
[2:12:00] Unanimous.
[2:12:01] >> Um,
[2:12:03] >> uh, the transfers between capital
[2:12:04] projects is really easy.
[2:12:07] The Watuck project, one of them is uh,
[2:12:10] run into all kinds of unforeseen
[2:12:12] conditions. They're just asking to sweep
[2:12:14] up a whole bunch of their um open
[2:12:16] articles and apply it to that project.
[2:12:19] And we're doing the same thing with the
[2:12:22] um
[2:12:24] replacement of the g uh the 4,000galon
[2:12:27] gasoline tank at highway garage. It's
[2:12:30] not coming together. We don't have
[2:12:32] enough money for the fire um suppression
[2:12:34] system. So, we pivoted and they're going
[2:12:37] to put a new tank up at the public
[2:12:39] safety complex so it'll be readily
[2:12:41] available. And then they're going to
[2:12:43] rehabilitate the original tank at
[2:12:46] highway station at the highway garage
[2:12:48] and still be within the original
[2:12:49] appropriation.
[2:12:54] » Bless you.
[2:12:59] Any questions? No. All right.
[2:13:05] Move to approve article six transfer
[2:13:07] between capital projects for $335,2675
[2:13:14] second by all
[2:13:16] >> favor
[2:13:18] that
[2:13:20] preservation. We need to do the legal
[2:13:22] budget.
[2:13:22] >> Yeah. And that was just a um
[2:13:26] diagonal look at a debt schedule.
[2:13:28] >> Okay. Any questions?
[2:13:31] It's just the debt service on the
[2:13:33] athletic field.
[2:13:34] >> Yeah, it was just the wrong amount was
[2:13:35] picked up.
[2:13:38] >> Motion approved 15,750 debt service.
[2:13:44] Second
[2:13:45] >> move by Mr. Gri, second by Dr. Cono. All
[2:13:50] in favor. Okay, that one is unanimous.
[2:13:54] All the others we've already got.
[2:13:57] >> And now we move to number eight. the
[2:13:59] revolving fund limits. This just recom
[2:14:01] um this just reflects the votes that you
[2:14:03] took at the end of the fiscal year to
[2:14:04] adjust some limits for fiscal 26. So
[2:14:07] they're reflected for fiscal 27 and it
[2:14:10] also puts limits on for the new rental
[2:14:12] accounts which got left off the chart.
[2:14:15] >> Okay, questions.
[2:14:18] >> You start last week was limits on what
[2:14:20] accounts?
[2:14:21] >> Oh, [snorts] the new rental accounts.
[2:14:22] They weren't on last year's cart. So
[2:14:23] when somebody cut and pasted it into the
[2:14:26] warrant, they forgot to add them. I'm
[2:14:27] not saying who that is, but we know who
[2:14:29] does the warrant.
[2:14:31] >> Okay.
[2:14:31] >> I move with the town amendment article
[2:14:33] 11 of April 13, 2026 annual town meeting
[2:14:36] to increase the end spending limits for
[2:14:38] the following channel 5 section 10260
[2:14:43] fiscal year 2037
[2:14:48] chapter 44 section 53E
[2:14:51] and a half as shown in the print board.
[2:14:54] So moved
[2:14:56] >> by second by um Mel. All in favor?
[2:15:02] >> I Okay.
[2:15:05] >> And number nine is the eminent domain.
[2:15:07] This was on the special town meeting in
[2:15:09] April. It had to be deferred because um
[2:15:12] we didn't have the appraisal.
[2:15:14] >> This is for five of the six lots. Um it
[2:15:18] is a friendly eminent domain taking. The
[2:15:20] heirs are in favor of it. They're in
[2:15:22] favor of the amount of the new appraisal
[2:15:25] and town council is also in favor of
[2:15:28] getting this project finally finished so
[2:15:30] we can enjoy Sunset Road.
[2:15:32] >> Yes.
[2:15:33] >> And the same money that I've been agreed
[2:15:35] upon.
[2:15:35] >> Much less.
[2:15:37] >> Oh.
[2:15:40] Yes.
[2:15:40] >> Okay. I move to approve um article 9
[2:15:45] eminent mainland acquisition of sunset
[2:15:48] road for town for 69
[2:15:52] >> uh it's it won't be that
[2:15:54] >> it won't be that
[2:15:55] >> that's what's left in the appropriation
[2:15:57] >> yeah move by second by all in favor
[2:16:02] >> okay cemetery
[2:16:04] >> I'm gonna defer to Jim on this one
[2:16:06] because he knows more about it
[2:16:07] >> so the inland cemetery the people who
[2:16:09] are like here in custody that go
[2:16:11] cemetery are
[2:16:14] in very poor health. There's only one
[2:16:15] fresh plot. Everybody else is gone. They
[2:16:18] have no way to maintain it. No way to
[2:16:20] keep it up. We've seen some of the stuff
[2:16:21] on Facebook. They do have between 200
[2:16:24] and 250 plots available.
[2:16:27] >> So, a lot of time to take it and then
[2:16:29] they use the funds for those to maintain
[2:16:31] the cemetery hopefully without
[2:16:32] stretching out DBW too much. But, uh
[2:16:36] there's no one that's it's getting in
[2:16:38] bad shape.
[2:16:40] It didn't have any available lots. I
[2:16:42] probably tell you to stay away from it
[2:16:43] already has lots available.
[2:16:47] Make way to go.
[2:16:50] » Uh move to approve article 10 land
[2:16:53] donation cemetery lock road.
[2:16:55] >> Second.
[2:16:56] >> Moved by Michel second by Mr. Gilmore.
[2:16:59] All in favor?
[2:17:01] That's unanimous.
[2:17:04] >> Okay. Los Gates. We've talked about this
[2:17:06] one.
[2:17:07] >> Yeah. Situ Historical asked if the board
[2:17:08] would take it back over. Since um the
[2:17:11] town took possession of the ownership of
[2:17:14] the property and then assign the care
[2:17:16] and custody at a 1972 town meeting, it
[2:17:19] was determined that it had to go back to
[2:17:20] town meeting to change the care and
[2:17:22] custody from situ historical back to
[2:17:24] town.
[2:17:25] >> So we're not on a town meeting.
[2:17:28] >> All right. Any questions on that?
[2:17:30] >> Okay, great.
[2:17:32] >> Move approve article 11 car invested
[2:17:34] Watson Gates for town meeting. Moved by
[2:17:37] Michelive by Dr. All in favor.
[2:17:42] >> All right. Amen. General bylaws. We
[2:17:43] already voted on that.
[2:17:45] >> 5 Z. Um local option number 13.
[2:17:50] >> This would allow um sewer betterments to
[2:17:52] go all the way to 30 years rather than
[2:17:55] um the current limit of 20 which would
[2:17:58] certainly help if you have a choice.
[2:17:59] >> Yeah. I mean I think it makes sense.
[2:18:01] It's kind of where you're going anyway.
[2:18:03] On top of more typical mortgages.
[2:18:05] >> Yeah. Um, any other questions? And makes
[2:18:08] it a little bit
[2:18:11] >> palatable. Not really affordable.
[2:18:14] Palatable. Yes. Okay. Any other
[2:18:18] questions?
[2:18:20] >> Do we have a motion? No questions.
[2:18:24] >> Move that accept the provisional
[2:18:27] legislative chapter 83 section 15D.
[2:18:31] >> Moved by Mr. Gilmore, seconded by Dr.
[2:18:35] All in favor?
[2:18:36] >> I we have one more option.
[2:18:39] >> I'm going to let Jim explain this
[2:18:41] because he explains it better than I do.
[2:18:43] >> Okay.
[2:18:45] >> So, you're aware of the issue we have
[2:18:46] with the bottom lines of our
[2:18:50] town's billing right now will be that
[2:18:52] either we pay for it or residents pay
[2:18:55] for it. But this allows us to do some of
[2:18:57] the s project. We can go to do the
[2:18:59] project and assess that be back against
[2:19:01] the home so they can pay it off over
[2:19:02] time. Doesn't mean we have to do it. It
[2:19:05] just gives us another option should we
[2:19:06] want to explore when this issue get
[2:19:09] done.
[2:19:09] >> And this is for privately owned.
[2:19:11] >> Privately owned.
[2:19:12] >> This is privately owned.
[2:19:15] >> It is. It's already come up with the
[2:19:17] dirt road.
[2:19:18] >> I think this is a good
[2:19:21] amount of flexibility for everybody.
[2:19:27] » No doubt.
[2:19:30] I'm just saying
[2:19:33] >> much better.
[2:19:33] >> All right. Moved by M. Legos, seconded
[2:19:35] by Mr. Gilmore. All in favor?
[2:19:37] >> I unanimous. Um
[2:19:41] >> and moderator term. This was my um all
[2:19:44] the other terms are
[2:19:46] >> nobrainers.
[2:19:47] >> This I think is a no-brainer. It's less
[2:19:49] work for Kathy's office,
[2:19:50] >> less work for the moderator.
[2:19:52] and or
[2:19:53] anyone that helps her get signatures. Um
[2:19:56] >> and town council was in favor of this
[2:19:58] because council thought it was a great
[2:19:59] idea
[2:20:00] >> because he's had some communities that
[2:20:02] have become moderatorless
[2:20:04] >> because it's so much
[2:20:05] >> so then who runs the town
[2:20:08] >> that's the problem
[2:20:08] >> they don't have a moderator
[2:20:09] >> but if they don't have a moderator town
[2:20:11] council
[2:20:12] >> no I don't know if they have a deputy or
[2:20:16] >> it's called unpleasant
[2:20:18] >> it's
[2:20:21] approve article 15 completion of
[2:20:24] moderator term in charter
[2:20:26] >> second move
[2:20:28] If I can
[2:20:30] ally.
[2:20:33] >> All right. Now, we need to decide
[2:20:35] consent and then present it. Right.
[2:20:38] >> Right. So, you have a proposal before
[2:20:40] you to put everything but the capital
[2:20:42] plan, community preservation, the
[2:20:44] eminent domain, land taking, the land
[2:20:46] donation, and the general bylaw um
[2:20:50] amendments into the consent agenda.
[2:20:52] >> Motion to do as Nancy just advised.
[2:20:56] >> Second. Second
[2:20:58] >> I agree.
[2:20:59] >> Yeah.
[2:21:00] >> Uh so moved by Mr. Gilmore, seconded by
[2:21:04] um Mr. All in favor.
[2:21:08] >> Okay.
[2:21:09] >> In town meeting anyone cannot comment.
[2:21:15] » The last one is just nine articles.
[2:21:17] >> Oh okay.
[2:21:21] » I don't think we have to vote.
[2:21:23] >> You don't have to vote it. You just have
[2:21:26] >> Okay, let's go from the Let's go from
[2:21:29] the top.
[2:21:30] >> You get what is it?
[2:21:34] >> Okay, I'll do the consent. Okay.
[2:21:42] » No. Uh oh, yeah. Sorry.
[2:21:45] >> I thought the chief was doing the
[2:21:47] capital the capital for the gun range. I
[2:21:49] thought we decided that the last
[2:21:50] meeting.
[2:21:51] >> Well, the chief will get out and see. We
[2:21:53] have to say why we didn't vote for it.
[2:21:56] >> Someone has to vote.
[2:21:57] >> I'll take a
[2:22:00] vote.
[2:22:01] >> No chair.
[2:22:06] » Okay. You want me to
[2:22:09] >> explain? I'll take community
[2:22:10] preservation. It's a weird.
[2:22:16] » Okay. Well, you are the um
[2:22:20] >> I'd be happy to do that.
[2:22:22] >> Jamie has community preservation which
[2:22:25] you've got a bunch of tough ones too.
[2:22:27] >> You want to split up Jamie?
[2:22:29] >> Are you good on all of them? Up to you.
[2:22:31] >> They are going to have to be split
[2:22:32] because
[2:22:34] >> budget increases.
[2:22:36] >> It depends on how the moderator wants to
[2:22:38] get is good. The GR of all is good. Town
[2:22:41] archives I've been on.
[2:22:44] >> I have no problem.
[2:22:45] >> Okay. So we we remember the moderator
[2:22:48] >> yesterday.
[2:22:50] >> It's been a long day together. Uh
[2:22:53] probably what she'll do on community
[2:22:56] preservation
[2:22:58] is she'll move it almost like she does a
[2:22:59] capital budget.
[2:23:00] >> Yeah.
[2:23:01] >> Lawson
[2:23:05] » take a vote on all the ones that I held
[2:23:06] and then do those other.
[2:23:08] >> So I'll be prepared. Whatever.
[2:23:09] >> Yeah, that's good. But if it doesn't
[2:23:17] » I would just be concerned that it didn't
[2:23:20] pass because of one thing and then
[2:23:22] something that is a no-brainer doesn't
[2:23:26] pass either.
[2:23:26] >> No, she's going to do this individually.
[2:23:29] They get called out. So like Appleton
[2:23:31] will she'll say, you know, do ABC, you
[2:23:35] know, and G are going to pass together.
[2:23:37] So
[2:23:38] >> I assume that the Apple
[2:23:41] So it was pier 44 and then gates
[2:23:44] department which is the farming which
[2:23:46] requires more.
[2:23:49] >> I mean it makes sense to just plan on
[2:23:51] holding them doesn't it?
[2:23:53] >> She's the moderator
[2:24:00] » revolving fun. Oh that's me Eminem
[2:24:03] taking up sunset road. Anyone want that
[2:24:05] one?
[2:24:06] >> That sounds like Andrew.
[2:24:08] [laughter]
[2:24:10] I'll do the cemetery.
[2:24:12] >> You want to do the cemetery?
[2:24:16] >> Do something.
[2:24:19] >> Too. You can get out there and help.
[2:24:20] >> You should do waterways because you
[2:24:22] wrote
[2:24:22] >> I'll do
[2:24:27] that.
[2:24:28] >> Yeah.
[2:24:30] >> All right. But then Nico's not doing
[2:24:31] anything.
[2:24:31] >> I'm gonna call Dave, but he better not
[2:24:33] show up.
[2:24:34] >> Nico's not doing anything.
[2:24:35] >> Nico, what do you want to do? I well I
[2:24:37] was planning on presenting for pure 44
[2:24:39] so that's why I was asking James
[2:24:42] >> no [snorts]
[2:24:44] >> gates
[2:24:46] I'll do I'll do the pickup chart
[2:24:49] >> I'll do the pickup
[2:24:53] » but that that may get moved as
[2:24:56] >> no
[2:24:56] >> but then normally it reads it whatever
[2:24:58] just goes
[2:25:03] » they try to hold it because my life.
[2:25:09] >> Take something.
[2:25:13] » You don't know. But on a consent
[2:25:14] agreement, there may be something that
[2:25:16] gets kicked up and then we can decide.
[2:25:19] >> No, but like I thought I they just gave
[2:25:21] me every consent. You're happy to do any
[2:25:23] of the consent.
[2:25:31] » Something gets you don't know what's
[2:25:32] going to get held on consent. So if
[2:25:34] something gets held on consent then
[2:25:36] maybe then then the end could take it
[2:25:38] >> if we don't get the 66% of the capital
[2:25:41] that we don't get either.
[2:25:44] >> No I I think she will do the same thing
[2:25:46] on those
[2:25:49] » we spoke on that.
[2:25:53] » Uh I'm looking at my agenda right now.
[2:25:58] » So um the next thing you have on your
[2:26:00] agenda.
[2:26:01] >> Yeah. So, um,
[2:26:05] uh, Jim and Bob Clark reached out to the
[2:26:09] units. We have five units that will not
[2:26:11] have contract or units in the non-union
[2:26:14] employees that will not have contracts
[2:26:16] for fiscal 28. Um, which means that for
[2:26:20] the budget, I have to put in an
[2:26:22] estimated contractual amount for what
[2:26:24] may be bargained.
[2:26:26] By approving a one-year MOA, if the
[2:26:29] units were willing to do that, we can
[2:26:32] tighten up the budgets and know exactly
[2:26:34] what the personnel costs are going to
[2:26:36] be. So before you you have three units
[2:26:40] um the clerical association tusca the um
[2:26:43] management uh association amp and then
[2:26:46] tusca unit B which is the communication
[2:26:48] specialist have all um voted and
[2:26:50] ratified a one-year fiscal 28 contract
[2:26:54] uh memorandum of uh agreement for 3%
[2:26:57] cola no changes in language um and then
[2:27:01] if the board is amendable to those you
[2:27:04] also have the classification plan for
[2:27:06] non non-union hourly and salary
[2:27:08] employees which would follow at a 3%
[2:27:10] cola.
[2:27:12] >> This is my two contracts that haven't
[2:27:14] settled for next year.
[2:27:15] >> Correct.
[2:27:17] >> And that would just leave the fire unit
[2:27:20] um without a contract for fiscal 28.
[2:27:26] » So the other issue that we brought up
[2:27:28] aside from just the fiscal
[2:27:30] circus
[2:27:33] is leaving middle of the year.
[2:27:35] >> Yeah. So we would be trying to switch to
[2:27:37] a new HI dire middle of doing contracts
[2:27:41] would be less.
[2:27:45] So
[2:27:45] >> So I guess I have a question on the 3%
[2:27:48] with this. Does that mean everybody's
[2:27:50] gotten their 3%. Or are we on this
[2:27:53] constant like someone got 3% last year
[2:27:55] so whatever we negotiate the next year
[2:27:57] wants 3%. So everybody
[2:28:00] >> I just like that like it's great that
[2:28:02] we're giving our folks 3% but like the
[2:28:05] world is not getting 3%. So like
[2:28:09] I mean a friend of mine just said they
[2:28:12] we're there's no cost of living at like
[2:28:15] so like I guess at what point
[2:28:18] is has everyone got their 3%.
[2:28:22] that or is this constant
[2:28:25] if we can't afford 3%.
[2:28:29] » So yeah, this we have two contracts that
[2:28:32] are settled that are in the 3% range for
[2:28:35] next year. So this brings everybody else
[2:28:38] into the same line.
[2:28:39] >> So right now at after the contracts,
[2:28:42] everyone's at the same line. So then the
[2:28:46] next contract, it's not like, oh, the
[2:28:48] last people got 3%, I've got to get 3%.
[2:28:50] with the exception of fire and then we
[2:28:53] will do new contracts with all the
[2:28:56] unions and those contracts are based
[2:28:59] upon the negotiations with that
[2:29:01] particular union at that particular
[2:29:03] time.
[2:29:04] >> Okay.
[2:29:05] So, normally your fire and your
[2:29:08] police
[2:29:09] tend to be in the same ballpark.
[2:29:12] >> Uh your other contracts are going to be
[2:29:15] all over the place because what the
[2:29:17] clerical does is different than what the
[2:29:18] DPW does. DPW might might have new
[2:29:22] equipment that they're going to get a
[2:29:23] stipen for that. So
[2:29:26] each contract is its individual contract
[2:29:28] when negotiated on a contract to
[2:29:31] contract basis. This was just because of
[2:29:33] the unique circumstance that we serve
[2:29:35] next year not going to have any job that
[2:29:39] some of these contracts Bob essentially
[2:29:41] does by yourself.
[2:29:42] >> Yeah. No, I know. I I get that. I just
[2:29:44] know that we're also as you know we're
[2:29:47] running out of percents to get people
[2:29:51] And we've got to ask town people town
[2:29:54] citizens for extra money to give our
[2:29:57] employees extra money.
[2:29:59] >> They may not have extra money.
[2:30:00] >> Yeah. And I I get it.
[2:30:02] >> They never got 3%, you know,
[2:30:03] >> but we I have to build something.
[2:30:06] I just want to make sure like after this
[2:30:08] fire is the only one and then
[2:30:10] everybody's even
[2:30:11] >> Steve
[2:30:15] » motion
[2:30:17] >> to approve the collective bargaining
[2:30:19] matter. We've never seen that. MA
[2:30:23] >> MOA for administrative management and
[2:30:25] professional bargaining unit AM
[2:30:29] SIU local 888 for the period of July 1st
[2:30:35] uh 2027 through June 30th 2028.
[2:30:40] » And there is more.
[2:30:42] >> There's three different ones.
[2:30:44] >> Was there
[2:30:45] >> that was the second one?
[2:30:46] >> That was the second. And to further
[2:30:49] approve
[2:30:52] >> TUSA communication specialist SEIA local
[2:30:55] 888 clerical association task local8 and
[2:30:59] now
[2:31:03] there should be there's four of them
[2:31:06] based
[2:31:08] >> okay you still missed one
[2:31:11] >> yeah administrative management
[2:31:12] >> you miss the very first one did you get
[2:31:13] the
[2:31:14] >> catea
[2:31:17] Administrative management and
[2:31:19] professional bargaining unit.
[2:31:20] >> Yeah.
[2:31:21] >> Task unit B communication specialist and
[2:31:24] classification
[2:31:26] >> plan pay schedule for non-un employees.
[2:31:28] >> Correct.
[2:31:29] >> Four.
[2:31:31] >> I guess at this point
[2:31:36] [laughter]
[2:31:37] all in favor I
[2:31:40] >> thank you for that 13.
[2:31:42] >> Um now we've got contract for Patrick J.
[2:31:45] Kennedy and his sons at unit prices of
[2:31:48] unhaul plumbing services for municipal
[2:31:51] and school buildings.
[2:31:52] >> Move to award a contract to pass J.
[2:31:54] Kennedy and Sons incorporated unit
[2:31:56] prices for one call plumbing services
[2:31:58] for municipal school buildings for
[2:32:01] fiscal year 2027
[2:32:03] with two one-year optional extensions
[2:32:05] for total aggreate contract value not to
[2:32:08] exceed $500,000.
[2:32:10] >> Moved by Mr. Gilmore, seconded by Dr.
[2:32:14] Fonoseno. All in favor? I I And I will
[2:32:17] note they were the lowest bid, too.
[2:32:19] >> And they and they're the current vendor
[2:32:21] and their bid is lower than the last
[2:32:23] time.
[2:32:23] >> They are lower than the last. So I want
[2:32:27] people at home
[2:32:29] that
[2:32:30] >> um Okay. Does Jack
[2:32:34] invo
[2:32:35] to maximum number of participants in the
[2:32:38] senior tax workoff program? Nancy. So
[2:32:41] currently the board um sets the number
[2:32:44] of participants. It's been set at 30. We
[2:32:46] hadn't been anywhere near that. Uh we're
[2:32:49] informed by the assistant director um
[2:32:52] director that they have 34 applicants
[2:32:54] and they have they could have the board
[2:32:56] increase. This is funded through the
[2:32:58] overlay which is voted as part of the
[2:33:02] financial forecast. Checked with the
[2:33:04] assessors. We have sufficient funds to
[2:33:07] increase the number of participants.
[2:33:09] Okay,
[2:33:09] >> Levi asked you to take it up.
[2:33:11] >> Move it to 40. Let's just give it maybe
[2:33:13] someone else wants to apply. They heard
[2:33:15] it right there. They can apply
[2:33:16] >> if they if they're able to fill those
[2:33:17] slots. Be great.
[2:33:19] >> It's absolutely the right thing to do.
[2:33:21] Thank you, Nancy, for bringing it up.
[2:33:23] Move to increase the number of
[2:33:24] participants in the senior taxraph
[2:33:26] program from 30 to 40 for a maximum
[2:33:28] impact on the overlay reserve of
[2:33:31] $80,000.
[2:33:33] >> Sorry.
[2:33:33] >> Moved by M. Schel, seconded by Mr.
[2:33:36] Gilmore. All in favor? Right. Okay.
[2:33:39] Correspondence. I think
[2:33:41] >> we had a lot of
[2:33:42] >> You already mentioned the Pier 44
[2:33:46] correspondents, right?
[2:33:47] >> There was um yes, several of the boards
[2:33:53] um including the board on disabilities.
[2:33:58] Um we have
[2:34:02] um
[2:34:03] >> historic
[2:34:04] >> beautifification.
[2:34:06] I don't believe historic actually voted
[2:34:09] on it at all. That has nothing to do
[2:34:11] with them, but I was there for the
[2:34:13] discussion.
[2:34:15] >> Um, did
[2:34:18] >> on disability.
[2:34:19] >> Uh, yes, I said that one already.
[2:34:21] >> And you had a resident as well.
[2:34:23] >> I had a resident also whose name I
[2:34:25] cannot find.
[2:34:26] >> Um, Charles Charles or Chuck Hol or
[2:34:31] something like that. But they were all
[2:34:35] >> in favor.
[2:34:39] » Um
[2:34:41] >> well, we hope that you made it.
[2:34:44] Um
[2:34:45] yeah and uh we the me few members of the
[2:34:51] desalinization committee
[2:34:54] water resources
[2:34:56] obviously uh Kevin and John and whoever
[2:35:03] myself are meeting apparently at police
[2:35:05] station tomorrow to interview the top
[2:35:09] two candidates for that um
[2:35:12] RFP. for the beginning of looking into
[2:35:17] water cell potential.
[2:35:20] >> Great.
[2:35:22] >> That's my correspondence.
[2:35:24] >> I also forwarded you all correspondence
[2:35:26] that we received from regarding the
[2:35:30] night out that said there was that it
[2:35:33] went really well and he was so happy for
[2:35:37] our support.
[2:35:38] >> I heard nothing but good things. Yeah, I
[2:35:40] heard nothing but good things. I heard
[2:35:42] no parking plates or just
[2:35:45] >> the chefs had every uh
[2:35:47] >> I know it was like masterful.
[2:35:50] And then I also got a correspondence for
[2:35:54] you from a resident who was thankful of
[2:35:57] our questioning on the um fisherman's
[2:36:00] test and um that um the alcohol being
[2:36:04] there. So appreciative of that. So those
[2:36:09] were other things that I haven't
[2:36:12] >> any other Oh, go ahead.
[2:36:15] >> Well, just for Irish District City, we
[2:36:17] have visitors coming in October 11th.
[2:36:20] >> Oh gosh. Mark your calendars because
[2:36:22] we're actually hosting.
[2:36:23] >> We have a dinner on the night of the
[2:36:24] 15th.
[2:36:25] >> Wednesday night.
[2:36:26] >> 15th.
[2:36:26] >> Yes.
[2:36:27] >> So, we got to be there. And
[2:36:29] >> where's the dinner?
[2:36:30] >> At
[2:36:31] upstairs. And then we have on the very
[2:36:34] first night we have a
[2:36:36] >> we all
[2:36:38] a memorial
[2:36:39] >> everyone but you [laughter]
[2:36:41] >> have a memorial service at the
[2:36:43] lighthouse I believe at 5:00 for Joe
[2:36:48] Carol
[2:36:48] >> take two right
[2:36:49] >> yeah this last
[2:36:53] >> but it won't be the burning room to burn
[2:36:57] >> we can try that
[2:36:58] >> burn the sidewalks
[2:37:00] and then after that I think there's a
[2:37:02] little dinner to go to. Oh, at the
[2:37:04] >> Karen camping
[2:37:08] » and then they are also visiting the
[2:37:10] school last spoken with
[2:37:12] >> Are they going to select working?
[2:37:14] >> Uh, no, they will be in Boston that day,
[2:37:16] I believe. Right.
[2:37:17] >> I think I got
[2:37:20] you have a whole itinerary.
[2:37:21] >> We have an
[2:37:25] [clears throat]
[2:37:27] » We'll get you that.
[2:37:28] >> It's on itinary.
[2:37:31] All right. Any other discussions
[2:37:37] bring up
[2:37:39] meeting
[2:37:40] to approve the meeting minutes from
[2:37:43] >> September 10
[2:37:46] and
[2:37:47] >> September one and second
[2:37:50] >> move by Mel seconded by
[2:37:53] >> Oh, Miss
[2:37:59] Okay. Moved by
[2:38:02] Michelle, seconded by um Mr. Goodrich.
[2:38:06] All in favor?
[2:38:08] >> Okay. You have something that's not
[2:38:10] about the minute.
[2:38:11] >> Okay.
[2:38:12] >> Uh in regards to
[2:38:15] questions are likely going to come up
[2:38:16] with chair 44. The discussions we had
[2:38:18] tonight, discussions we had our previous
[2:38:20] meeting about parking, speed, etc., etc.
[2:38:25] Um I I would like to try and get some
[2:38:27] understanding. I don't think we even
[2:38:30] need to have a conscious understand
[2:38:34] traffic already holds the charge of
[2:38:37] these kinds of topics and I'd like to
[2:38:40] allow traffic rules to move forward with
[2:38:43] the subcommittee to look at a global
[2:38:45] view of speed, safety, parking and
[2:38:50] research in the town and bringations
[2:38:52] forth to us to improve.
[2:38:56] Yeah, I I mean I think it's a great
[2:38:58] idea.
[2:38:59] >> I think it's a great idea. I will
[2:39:01] >> exist there.
[2:39:03] >> It does exist as much as
[2:39:06] push forward because I want to be able
[2:39:07] to say in October, we're working on this
[2:39:10] publicly so that when questions come up,
[2:39:14] not just a discussion of it's not
[2:39:16] allowed. I'd like to say that working
[2:39:19] hard to try and figure out a better
[2:39:21] question.
[2:39:23] >> I do. I also um I think I've gotten zero
[2:39:27] complaints except for
[2:39:30] parking this year and I have every time
[2:39:32] I go to the harbor there's at least five
[2:39:36] >> and I
[2:39:38] speak to
[2:39:42] speak on behalf of the meeting that
[2:39:45] comes up and I have presentation built
[2:39:48] for that but I think this would be
[2:39:49] helpful to be able to say the select
[2:39:51] board is working on outside.
[2:39:55] >> Yeah. No, I agree. I just don't
[2:39:57] [clears throat] think that the extent
[2:40:02] >> I don't
[2:40:07] » I think that's a great idea.
[2:40:11] >> Yes.
[2:40:13] >> Okay. Anything any other business?
[2:40:16] >> Motion to motion to adjurnn.
[2:40:18] >> Second. Move by seconded. I should be
[2:40:23] on. All in favor?