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did you read all both of
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for boy got quiet we got a few

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all right there it is six o'clock so
we'll call this order meeting to order

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for the April 1st 2024 Scotland County
Board of Commissioners meeting and we'll

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start with an invocation with in our
gathering tonight we thank you for the

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many blessings that you give us each and
every day Lord we thank you for

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sometimes even the trials and
tribulations you PR present before us

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Lord so might we might learn from your
grace and increase our faith father God

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we ask that you be with us as we
consider all the concerns of the people

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of this County this County Lord we thank
you for those who are present tonight

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Lord because their pres makes us better
in your name we pray amen amen amen

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stand

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for we got an additional item added in
and and we wanted to recognize that uh

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today is Sandy callen's
birthday happy birthday

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everybody

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[Applause]
happy all right good enough um so next

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we'll talk about the approval of the
agenda if everybody's had time to review

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that and offer motion for approval of of
the agenda have a motion all right this

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carries we'll move on to our public
forum um we have a three minute time

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limit on the public forum I do need to
make a little special disclosure tonight

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on our public forum that if you're here
to talk about the item which is the

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public uh hearing that we're having on
the other solar Farms later we you need

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to be we we can't hear that right now
because we'll be going into a sworn

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testimony at that time so just but
you're free to talk about whatever else

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you would like to in your three minutes
uh Nash

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Hardy No Melissa Creed I didn't see her
or Dr will

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seeing none here well he's here oh there
he is hiding behind Jerry

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I don't talk about these specific uh
projects okay I

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didn't understand his question till I
reread that first meeting but anyway one

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he asked me said well would I rather um
sell my land then lease it for a lot

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more and of course I missed what he was
his intent was if I were a seller I

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would certainly rather lease it for 10
times what I could sell it for my

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question is why are they buying
it or why are they leasing it for 10

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times what they can can purchase the
land answer that question um that's a

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concern anyway at the meeting two months
ago I gave each of you a few pages of

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information and ask eight questions that
I would like for either you or the solar

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panel companies to answer
and so far I've not received an answer

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to any of
them I see where the solar companies

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have already begun work on one of these
tracks even before you have voted and

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I'm told your attorney has told you you
have to vote in favor of the solar

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panels the Native Americans traded their
land for shiny objects

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also history here I understand y'all
have a difficult task providing services

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for an economically distressed County
with a decline in tax base

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but do you think putting solar panels on
land which could easily be de I sort of

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overheard was selling water to H county
is selling water to H County so that H

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County continue to grow rather than
biting the growth to come to Scotland

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County is that a good idea I mean I I
know y'all got to balance this year's

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budget you got to balance budgets until
you get reelected Etc but you got to

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look further down the road and to me
like I draw drew y'all that map that's

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just not a good use of the land benefits
the land owner and solar F companies it

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doesn't benefit Scotland County I
understand that yeah they're they're

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taxed but taxed at
20% because of State statutes and that's

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none none of y'all's do um I feel an
obligation to my ancestors who cleared

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this land with shovels and mules and to
my descendants who I fear will inherit

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environmental damage these solar farmers
will leave us with just like pink energy

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and Kevin Chapel that talked to y'all
last moment there's no no nothing going

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on
there this fight will not in end here

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you have members on this board with
conflicts of interest and members on

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this board who have violated your own
rules whose votes will be

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challenged you have been told you have
to vote for these rules by your attorney

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who may feel like he's doing his job but
my opinion is giving you bad advice

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that's so Mark let me let me just make
one very end it's not it's from a source

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that we don't currently use using
anything it's not even producing any

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water right now um so it's just an
opportunity that we could take that

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asset and turn it into to to making
money because either way if we you know

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and I'm with you invite that well again
is development I know subdivisions

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require Services you got to build in
schools you got to have water maybe even

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sewer so they're going to fill up Poke
County they're going to fill up more

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County it's all right coming to Richmond
County I get a client at least I I think

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that's our future um between military
housing and people spread from fille and

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more County both Richmond and Scot well
the good thing is if we do that with

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that facility for what they're
requesting in the amount wise the

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facility has more potential than just
what the amount that they would want

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so right yeah I get it I just it's C I
asked him a question thank you sir none

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we'll move on to our consent agenda if
we all had a chance to look at that take

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a motion on that move to approve the
consent

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agenda have a motion in a second any
questions all in favor inequality in

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ownership and generational
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good evening uh my name is Genesis Davis
and I am a senior at St Andrews

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University graduating this year uh
2024 um who does the slides oh we can go

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the
next well we I have to do it this

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way so I just wanted to preface by
saying a little bit more about me again

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like I've said before I'm a St Andrew
senior um and I'm actually and and age

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450 talk by uh taught by Dr
Tim uh it was required that we decided

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to do a global project and we relate it
to my my issue I chose race and home

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ownership and through that project
that's when I saw that their and the

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state of North Carolina as a whole and
one of the requirements for that project

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was to find a solution for it and
hopefully make uh implement it in

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Scotland County we can go to the next
slide so this is taken from the 2020

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compared to the state of North Carolina
however in contrast when compared to the

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state of North Carolina which is 12.8%
and even though it's not up there the

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United States is at
12.6% owner occupied housing rate is

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59.8% meaning that if the owner is on
property they live in that property so

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they're not renters um compared to the
owner occupied housing rate

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66.7% comes to higher education
bachelor's degree are higher in

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individuals that are over the age of 25
in Scotland County is

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14.5% as of 2022 compared to the
entirety of North Carolina which is

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35.9% um again in
2022 I wanted to say that this is very

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many different benefits of home
ownership there's to put more time and

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effort into somewhere they actually live
more people people are more likely to

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watch out for their neighbors if they
know they're not just going to up and

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leave the next month and then fan are in
schools and they perform better

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socially was mentioning financial
literacy means that you can budget

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properly where all surprises and how a
credit card works if you understand how

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Bank notices work you are less likely to
be um vulnerable to scams pyramid

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schemes getrich quick schemes and
essentially just make your mental health

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your mental and physical emotional
well-being a lot healthier so how can we

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increase financial literacy and in term
home ownership in nor uh

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County well I found a nonprofit uh it
was backed by Bank of America it is a

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national nonprofit started in the United
States nacka the neighborhood Assistance

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Corporation of America this uh
Corporation makes economic Justice and

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economic stability
a um a priority for all of its members

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so again it is free for all members you
don't pay anything if you go through

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this program they have a no down payment
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and they do character-based lending
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important things they don't look at
credit score they understand that there

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are things that go on in your life that
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they'll look at your credit history and
they'll see that oh my gosh you paid

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$55,000 why why did you pay $5,000
because I lost my job because my mom got

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sick and I had to pay hospital bills you
write a letter of explanation and then

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they will understand that and they will
forward that to the bank you can also

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Finance rehabs and repairs through uh
the neighborhood Assistance Corporation

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of America um so if you find a old
decrepit house and you want to buy that

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house and the land that it's on you can
spend that money that uh goes underneath

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your mortgage you can use that to re and
repair that house and then you have the

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section Section 8 housing vouchers which
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mortgage are there any questions for the
neighborhood Assistance Corporation of

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America it is again a nonprofit and I
did have her look over the slides to

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make sure that all of this uh
information is up to date and

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accurate I'll ask um as Commissioners
what can we do to help this nonprofit

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move forward in our community so that we
can close that gap of the inequality of

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home ownership at St Andrews University
have already been in contact with NAA we

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have had again the meeting that you
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last month and we're essentially ready
we are um willing to host the they call

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it a homeowners Workshop or a home buyer
Workshop uh we will um host that at St

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Andrews University and we are currently
working with them right now and we just

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wanted to let you guys know help spread
the word that this uh nonprofit is

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coming to Scotland County and um
hopefully just get you guys excited

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about this
Prospect well being in that business for

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30 years and neck has been around a
while um and and some other ones out

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there that kind of do the same thing um
and this is just personal advice to

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anybody be really careful when you're
looking at a as well just because about

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and all of a sudden you need to sell it
to Mo what you pay the realtor and the

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closing cost um you're going to lose so
um I'm not saying never do it that's for

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sure but just be really careful and no
going in that's what you're getting into

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but there are um so but there's some
options out there so thank you though

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and let me ask you so if if somebody who
is living in a rental house and they

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want they find something they want to
fix up they're going to who do they

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apply to for that loan so you are going
to go through the nacka program so they

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have a numerous steps that you take to
ensure that you as a renter are ready to

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go and want to fix up or if it's just an
already pre-built house you all start at

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the same place they're G they're gonna
they're gonna make a decision as to

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whether or not I have the ability
because of my job or something else

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whether I can manage a mortgage yes they
don't want you to get into a situation

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where you are buying a house that you
will not be from Bank of America this is

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a Bank of America backed program they
act as a nonprofit mortgage broker to to

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to simplify it is the way it

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works now your personal question where
are you from where am I from uh I'm from

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the Charlotte area Mount Holly Gastonia
Gaston County to be specific okay so do

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you know what you're going to do when
you leave here um I would I'm going to

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be taking a gap year and uh
hopefully apply to vet school and get

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into vet school at North Carolina State
University you don't want to come out

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and be a mortgage broker or anything
like that no no no okay you have a

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couple of gentlemen here with you who
are they oh yes this is uh my professor

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Dr Tim Verge he was the one that taught
the sage 450 class and then we also have

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um Mr Jeff Robertson he is the vice
president at um St Andrews University

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that's also been helping me with this
project I thought that's who that was

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right
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anybody else anything thank you for
coming and and I think everybody also

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got your booklet too so right again if
you need any more information you can go

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to naa.com or you can um contact me or
someone else uh at the school and I can

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help you get that information thank you
Mr sounds great thank

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you all right moving on to our next item
is Emer emergency communication National

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telecommunicator Proclamation Samantha
there she is

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good evening um so in preparation of
coming before you to ask for your

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support for this Proclamation um I did
gather some rough data U from 2023 that

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I wanted to highlight um so our
emergency telecommunicators our 911

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operators um each year or in
2023 answered

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35,6 N9 911 calls in Scotland
County they answered

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81,9 60 non-emergency calls in Scotland
County entered 4

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48,900 uh radio trans
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2023
aot it's a

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lot so uh each year uh the second week
of April is National Public Safety

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telecommunicators week that week is set
aside to highlight the importance of the

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job that these professionals do these
can occur at any time that require

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police fire or Emergency Medical
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and where an emergency occurs The Prompt
response of police officers sheriffs

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deputies firefighters and paramedics the
safety of our police officers

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firefighters sheriffs deputies and
paramedics are dependent upon the

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quality and accuracy of information of
citizens who telephone the Scotland

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County emergency communic and whereas
Public Safety telecommunicators are the

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first and most critical contact our
citizens have with emergency

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services and whereas Public Safety
telecommunicators are their activities

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By Radio providing them information and
ensuring their

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safety and whereas Public Safety
telecommunicators of the Scotland cation

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Center have contributed sub
substantially to the apprehension of

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criminals suppression of fires and
treatment of

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patients and whereas each has exhibited
compassion understanding and

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professionalism during the performance
of their job in the past

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year
now therefore be it proclaimed by the

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Scotland County Board of Commissioners
that the week of April 14th through the

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20th is to be National Public Safety
telecommunicators Week in Scotland

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County in honor of the men and women
whose diligence and professionalism keep

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our County and citizens

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safe does anybody have any questions
about any of the statistics I gave

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anything any question Mr chairman I
would move to approve approve the

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proclamation and ask that the chairman
sign second motion and a second any

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other discussion all in favor
anyos thank you ma'am thank you all

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right moving right along Scotland County
DSS uh Kim McCrae got you listed first

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here that

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right greetings to everyone thank you
for having me I'm Kimberly McCrae with

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the SC County Department of Social
Services April for us is a very exciting

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month it is National Child Abuse
Prevention month and on April Friday

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April the 5th is National we blue day
and that is to show support and aware

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bring awareness to Child Abuse
Prevention also during the month of

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April on April the 24th we will hold a
ribbon cutting ceremony on um at

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Cynthia's place at DSS and that place it
is being remodeled and renovated and

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that is a a place where families and
children can feel safe and feel at home

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so we would like um present our staff
who have come today from CPS as well as

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from our leadership development team so
if you would stand please

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these are the people who work diligently
every day uh to for the prevention of

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child abuse and
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now now the program
administrator Miss Wendy Stanton will

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come to read the

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proclamation good
evening in recognition of of April is

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Child Abuse Prevention month I have the
proclamation that I would like to read

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whereas children are vital to our state
and County's future success prosperity

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and quality of life as well as being the
most vulnerable assets and whereas all

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children deserve to have the safe stable
nurturing homes and communities they

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need to Foster their healthy growth and
development and whereas child abuse and

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neglect is a community responsibility
affecting both the current and future

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quality of life of a community and
whereas communities that provide parents

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with the social support knowledge of
parenting and Child Development and

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concrete resources they need to cope
with stress and nurture their own

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children Ure our children grow to their
full

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potential and whereas effective Child
Abuse Prevention strategies succeed

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because of Partnerships created among
among citizens Human Services schools

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Faith communities Health Care Providers
Civic organizations law enforcement

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agencies and the business Community now
therefore it be proclaimed by the

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Scotland County Board of Commissioners
that April 2024 is Child Abuse

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Prevention month in Scotland County and
urge all Citizens Community agencies

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Faith group medical facilities elected
leaders and businessmen and businesses

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to increase their participation in
efforts to support families thereby

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preventing child abuse and strengthening
the communities in which we

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live thank you
okay we'll break the because I think you

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have another one also we um so let's go
ahead and look for the first

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Proclamation
and second okay a motion in a second any

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questions or discussion all right all in
favor all right any opposed

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all right next thank you all April is a
very exciting month for us over at DSS

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and April is re-entry Second Chance
month and we have re-entry day coming up

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on April the 17th from 10: a.m. to 1:00
p.m. at 2:31 Crawley Street here in

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laberg and the purpose of re-entry
program uh they like to raise awareness

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educate and give opportunity unities to
Justice involved citizens and we are

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honored tonight to have our very own
Miss Linda Ross who is the chairman of

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Scotland County's re-entry board to come
and read our

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Proclamation good evening good evening
good even good evening evening

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okay proclamation in recogn recognition
of April as Second Chance month whereas

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a great majority ity of the incarcerated
individual in North Carolina will

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eventually return to communities and
whereas formerly incarcerated

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individuals face many hurdles upon their
release in securing employment housing

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transportation and health care
and to develop programs and

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policy here for these individual to live
healthier healthy as well as successful

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lives and where where as Scotland County
re-entry Council and re-entry Prof Prof

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professionals are identifying ways to
better serve and assist the formerly

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incarcerated with their transition and
whereas providing resources for the

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formally incarcerated is a CommunityWide
effort among the re-entry Council

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re-entry Professional faith-based
Organization volunteers and the state of

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North Carolina and where is all these
efforts by policy makers re-entry

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professionals and volunteers helped to
reduce the stigma of incarceration and

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provide just as involved people with
increased opportunity and a better

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chance of a successful re-entry into the
community now therefore be it proclaimed

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by Scotland County Board of
Commissioners that April be proclaimed

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as Second Chance month in Scotland
County

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proclaimed this first day of April
2024 okay thank

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you all right any questions on
that motion offer motion that we also

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approve the proclamation for Second
Chance Mo second Motion in a second any

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other discussion or questions all in
favor I any opposed thank you ma'am

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thank you for your
time next Mr McMillan is here planning

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we had presented to
us uh at our last board meeting

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presentation by wnc
for an application special use permit to

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add to an existing Tower new equipment
for their

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transmission um we
check special use permit met all of the

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requirement five requirements for that
we found that all the paperwork all the

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documentation was in order and upon
voting on this proposed collocation the

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board approved it
unanimously um to send to you the County

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Commissioners for your
consideration any questions where's that

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Tower I'm just trying to get in my go
out to the crossroads at John's hang

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right John station uhu hanging right and
it's out there on the left half mile

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somewhere way okay I thought thought
maybe it was at one near the Landfield

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yeah there's there's already tower out
there and you can see it if you drive

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down John's Road it's just going to be
extra equipment there extra equipment

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there'll be a small structure there for
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digital technical stuff and I can't tell
you what it is but beond me I wouldn't

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know if you did to
me any anything

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questions no I offer a motion for
approval we have a motion I'll second we

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have a second all in favor any opposed
thank you sir I like it when it take com

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sweet all right moving on to the next
item on the agenda is the Cyprus Creek

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solo Farm
applications and the

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uh hearing that we will have to have
around revolving around that there's a

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couple of statements that I need to read
first and and after that then we can

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move into that hearing
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this is uh a disclosure call basically
the parties in this case are entitled to

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an impartial board a board member may
not participate in this hearing if she

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or he has a fixed opinion about the
matter a financial interest in the

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outcome of the matter or a close
relationship with an affected person

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does any board member have any
partiality dis to disclose or recusal to

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offer yes Mr commissioner I do
okay uh I have uh business dealings with

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probably everyone involved okay oh I ask
to recluse myself from the

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vote be up to the board to take a vote
on that U to approve the recusal if it's

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the Bo's desire to do that okay anybody
else before

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we I just do we need to make a motion on
that or yes okay just I know that one of

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the applicants in this is um I think Lee
Howell and Lee how and I serve on two

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different other boards but I know him as
a another member of the

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community yeah well I think
everying

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yourself that's not that's not gonna
impact my decision but I agree just need

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people to know

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that all right so we need a a motion for
commissioner forelle to recuse himself

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from the vote with with this caveat in
this and this even goes into saying he

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has to leave but let's don't yeah yeah
yeah I mean but um you can't participate

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in the discussions or questions or
whatever so

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okay it's up to you guys we have to
approve that recusal if you're going to

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approve I mean you need one of us you
I'll make a motion to allow to

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okay a second all right we have a motion
in a second any other

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questions then all in
favor all right any opposed you're

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accused
offici okay

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um the next
thing this uh opening statement of the

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hearing is is a quasi judicial
evidentiary hearing that means it's like

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a court hearing state law sets specific
procedures and rules concerning how the

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board must take make its decision these
rules are different from other types of

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land use decisions like resoning cases
the board's discretion is limited the

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board must base its decision upon comp
competent relevant and substantial

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evidence in the record record a quasi
judicial decision is not a popularity

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contest it is a decision constrained by
the standards in the ordinance and based

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on the facts presented if you will be
speaking as a witness please focus on

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the facts and standard not on per
personal preference or op opinion

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participation is limited the meeting is
open to the public everyone is welcome

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to watch parties with standing have
rights to participate fully parties may

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present evidence call witness and make
legal arguments parties are unlimited to

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the applicant local government and
individuals who can show they will

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suffer special damages other individuals
may serve as Witnesses when called by

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the forward General Witnesses testimony
is limited to facts not opinions for

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certain topics this Board needs to hear
opinion testimony from expert W

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Witnesses these topics include project
individuals providing expert opinion

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must be qualified as experts and provide
the factual evidence upon which they

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base their expert opinion Witnesses must
swear or affirm to their

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testimony and at this time we were
administer the oath to any aveng in all

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individuals who intend to provide sworn
testimony just stand right up here

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you do you swear to tell the truth the
whole truth nothing but the truth in

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this case and

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all all right so I guess we'll start
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um you want to begin with your yeah
thank you Mr chairman my name is Tom

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Terell I'm with the law firm Fox
Rothchild in the Greensboro office of

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the firm U you have at your desk two
notebooks one of them is for the first

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hearing and one notebook is for the
second hearing I offer these right now

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as evidence on both of these hearings
you will see that we took your standard

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for a special use permit very seriously
the evidence in there not only is

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competent and not only is material but
it is quite substantial um I like and Mr

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chairman if with your permission I think
we can go through a little bit quicker

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tonight because some of the evidence in
the first one and some of our comments

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are going to be taken in the second if
we could just accept combine them into

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one just combine in a little bit one I
think technically we have to have two

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hearings but we can if you'll allow me I
will get my witnesses to basically adopt

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their testimony okay and that can speed
things along and get you out of here uh

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quickly um it's good to be back here in
Scotland County I think laurenburg I

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enjoy working with one of the best
County attorneys that I get to uh work

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with as I travel across the state we
have if you would take out the Laurel

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Crest notebook this is the one that has
the butterscotch cover and I'm just

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going to take about two minutes and just
quickly walk you through what we have

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tab by tab um the first is the special
use permit standards this comes out of

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your ordinance you already have approved
several solar farms under these

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standards you have already found that
solar does not harm health and safety

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we've already found it doesn't uh harm
um the uh property values of joining

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property you found them uh consistent
with your comprehensive plan nonetheless

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we still provide to you the same
evidence uh there is what call Race

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judicata um you've already made these
decisions but we still want you to see

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how serious we are the first tab after
that is our application narrative it has

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all those standards as applied to Laurel
Crest after that there is some

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frequently asked questions about solar
uh this is something we hand out often

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at neighborhood meetings uh or send out
uh in letters to neighbors before we

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have a meeting um so people can you know
get an idea uh of what this is all about

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if you want to see the site plan we have
two pullouts at the next uh Tab and then

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behind that that and this is probably
one of the most important tabs in here

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Paul Miller will speak after me and show
you more than that we are showing you

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the landscape plan these landscape plans
are done uh uh and sealed by Landscape

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Architects but basically you won't be
able to see these panels and that's

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number one number two we go above and
beyond in many places what your

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ordinance requires on that the next tab
is health and safety when Mr sandord

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gets up here these are his materials he
will give you his credentials as to uh

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why he is an expert uh and chairman Obby
will ask you at that time to recognize

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him as an expert we have um at the next
many people for some reason think that

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solar Farms are exempt from the Clean
Water Act they are not uh every buffer

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to a weap into a stream has to be met uh
in fact companies that do those um go

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out and they delineate you know where
the boundaries are um the next tab is

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the market impact study it is the
thickest thing in here Kirkland uh again

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he will also present his credentials uh
his company by the way has done more of

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these studies than any company in the
United States they are deemed by many

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people to be the country's leading
experts on this subject because of the

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data uh that they have compiled uh the
next tab um is harmony with the area uh

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we take that uh and with uh and show you
some photographs to kind of basically

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say you've got these uh 90 foot transmit
lines already over here you won't see

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the panels but you see the transmission
line nobody ever complains about that um

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you're going to see a very quick power
point in a second and then there's a tab

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in here on decommissioning and Miss
Miller will explain that we meet 100% of

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decommission requirements from removing
it and that includes 100% of bonding the

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removal of this uh so if we could move
along I'm G to ask Miss Miller if she

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would introduce herself and just go you
through a quick powerpint

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okay good evening everyone and happy
Easter Monday for those of you who uh

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maybe were also dying Easter eggs this
weekend um so my name's Nicole Miller as

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Tom said um part of s cre Renewables uh
my address is 5310 South Alon AB durm

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North Carolina I am going to be
presenting both of these sites tonight

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um so lural Crest and Scott's Grove I
want to note before we start what

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happens with these projects so both of
these projects are right now prospects

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they would ultimately have to be
selected by Duke Energy in order to

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become full you know shovel ready
projects that we actually connect to the

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grid U so if chosen these projects are
then included in the long-term

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generation for Duke Energy uh and would
start construction about three to four

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years the reason that we're here tonight
is because we want to be able to be sure

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to say to Duke Energy yes we're ready to
start you can definitely depend on us if

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we are indeed chosen so I did want to
emphasize you know I'm going to walk

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through both of these projects tonight
um both our Pros

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both do depend on selection by Duke
Energy before being fully built so that

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being said Cypress Creek Renewables um
we are uh you know we've been around

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since 2014 we've done a lot of work uh
particularly in the Southeast and and

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00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:19,359
ultimately developed about 12 gws uh you
can go over to the next

426
00:38:17,319 --> 00:38:23,319
slide so as you can tell from the
previous slide we have a lot of history

427
00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:28,079
particularly in North Carolina so we've
developed in over 67 counties um and

428
00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:31,560
invested about two and a half million in
the state which does not include an

429
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:36,440
additional 3 million that we pay every
year to local taxes uh in in the

430
00:38:34,319 --> 00:38:40,480
counties in which we serve um I will
note as well so we have offices in

431
00:38:38,720 --> 00:38:46,040
Durham and Asheville and our office in
Durham also houses our 247 control

432
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:49,920
center uh and that takes care of and and
really monitors their sites across the

433
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:54,200
entire
nation so why Scotland County this is a

434
00:38:52,720 --> 00:39:00,280
question that I think we got during the
planning board um and appreciate Jim for

435
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:04,599
proposing this so why Scotland County
and and why now so essentially we need

436
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:09,400
sites that are going to be flat dry and
a long transmission lines these end up

437
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:14,839
being lowest cost for Ray payers like us
and until recently Scotland County had

438
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:18,400
fly flat dry land but the transmission
lines didn't have capacity so Duke

439
00:39:17,119 --> 00:39:22,240
Energy has recently said that they're
going to expand the transmission lines

440
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:27,560
um they're essentially going to add more
capacity which means that sites weren't

441
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:32,319
previously feasible are now feasible
that being said this doesn't mean you're

442
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:37,359
GNA see a 100 solar sites in Scotland
County you're only going to see uh

443
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:41,240
enough that or rather the ones that are
lowest cost kind of best operating so

444
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:45,160
that's why we're here tonight we believe
that we have two of them we want to act

445
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:50,160
quickly while there is this capacity um
and and we do believe given uh the the

446
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:55,760
capacity that it can be two really good
additions to Scotland

447
00:39:52,760 --> 00:40:01,520
County okay so getting actually into
this specific site this is an Mega solar

448
00:39:58,359 --> 00:40:08,040
facility located along Old Wire Road um
for this one it is about 460 acres and

449
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:12,640
has a $4.6 million decommissioning Bond
associated with it uh so that is

450
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:17,160
essentially to return the project to the
original use after we're done um again

451
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:22,760
as I said electricity will be sold to
Duke Energy uh and the site includes 30

452
00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:27,319
foot setbacks 20 foot to all property
lines and then dative buffer um I do

453
00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:32,480
want to note that this particular
particular site has a a neighbor to if

454
00:40:30,839 --> 00:40:36,760
you kind of look in this should have
brought a a laser pointer but if you

455
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:42,680
look yeah to to the lower area so
there's a neighbor um that we worked

456
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:45,800
with we had a meeting on October 26 and
actually only one neighbor came out we

457
00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:50,079
had a really good conversation with him
he stayed the whole time we talked um

458
00:40:48,119 --> 00:40:55,359
and we ended up being able to agree to
building out essentially a 4 acre buffer

459
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:59,160
between his land and our property to
ensure that he has still the good views

460
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:05,160
that has now he still has access to his
land um and he's ultimately able to to

461
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:09,680
retain that um one other note that I'll
I'll add so during the planning board

462
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:14,599
meeting we did additionally commit to
voluntary voluntary third party

463
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:21,200
monitoring um during construction to to
ensure that all of our storm water uh is

464
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:26,359
is up to date this also go next oh
perfect okay so uh as Tom mentioned we

465
00:41:23,599 --> 00:41:31,079
did work with a landscape architect um
and they helped put together these

466
00:41:28,319 --> 00:41:36,319
designs so this design in particular let
me see if I got

467
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:40,640
the oh it's just the laser pointer okay
oh so this is going to be the main one

468
00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:45,000
this is if you're along Old Wire Road
this is an example of what this

469
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:49,640
particular vegetative buffer would look
like so this is a person who's about six

470
00:41:46,599 --> 00:41:54,560
feet um this vegetative buffer would hit
about 10 feet uh per the ordinance

471
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:57,880
within three years again this is this is
kind of what it would look like uh just

472
00:41:56,079 --> 00:42:01,400
wanted to provide that visual
representation go to the next

473
00:42:02,079 --> 00:42:08,680
slide this is just highlighting some of
the diligence we've done um to the site

474
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:12,160
thus far we did want to make sure that
this is again one of the best sites that

475
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:16,640
we can provide both for Scotland County
and for Cypress Greek um so we we've

476
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:21,880
done a number of studies to ensure that
the endanger species and wetlands will

477
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:25,160
not be uh impacted additionally we we've
got a health and safety report that we

478
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:29,119
can speak to in a little bit um and we
did do a decommissioning plan in full

479
00:42:29,559 --> 00:42:38,520
nextend so Laurel Crest would provide
about $5 million uh in tax revenue over

480
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:43,520
the the sit's 40-year operational life
um additionally we would have about 100

481
00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:49,000
jobs and uh be enough to power about
15,000

482
00:42:46,119 --> 00:42:52,680
homes um one thing I did want to mention
is so I I previously talked about

483
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:55,680
decommissioning and and the bond that we
have associated with that I did want to

484
00:42:54,400 --> 00:43:00,480
point out that North Carolina is
actually one of the first states to have

485
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:06,640
a Statewide decommissioning Bill uh this
essentially provides or it ensures that

486
00:43:03,319 --> 00:43:12,680
every site that's going to be um in in
operation has a decommissioning plan and

487
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:17,599
a a bond to go with it um Additionally
you know our leases actually absolve the

488
00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:21,880
land owner from responsibility um and
ultimately um make sure that the land is

489
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:27,520
returned to the ormal site uh I've also
concluded here uh this is a website um

490
00:43:25,359 --> 00:43:33,599
for YouTube just to see how The
decommissioning Works particularly for

491
00:43:29,839 --> 00:43:38,960
how solar recycling works there's a uh
solar recycling facility that's actually

492
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:43,880
opening up in Salsbury North
Carolina so um you've probably seen us

493
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:48,520
around Scotland County recently um we've
we've enjoyed being around in the in the

494
00:43:45,839 --> 00:43:54,680
county um we've been in a lot of vents
uh I'd be remiss if I didn't notice or

495
00:43:50,520 --> 00:44:00,240
didn't mention that we also had par me a
a scholarship program that we've enjoyed

496
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:05,680
um sponsoring is is one of 27 counties
Nationwide um we've partnered with St

497
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:10,000
Andrews and beta box learning um and are
looking forward to continuing to to work

498
00:44:07,319 --> 00:44:15,200
in stotland County um with that so the
next slide is just another another yeah

499
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:21,720
picture um and I'm happy to pass it off
to Chris sander

500
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:21,720
to um or answer any questions if

501
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:29,040
that's okay
cool

502
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:29,040
yeah

503
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:39,240
good evening board thank you for hearing
us uh Monday my name is Chris sanifer

504
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:44,480
I've testified for this board on several
occasions

505
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:50,440
um I'll present some of my credentials I
have other ones if you if if the issues

506
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:55,559
arise but I am a licensed engineer in 15
states across the South

507
00:44:52,920 --> 00:45:00,440
Midwest uh I'm a licensed electrical
contractor in North Carolina

508
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:04,720
of unlimited classification that we have
installed and

509
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:10,480
removed so form
facilities

510
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:17,920
um I grew up on a farm live on a
farm got 100 acres of panel on my farm I

511
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:24,559
just signed a lease for 30 more acres to
go under uh panel so

512
00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:30,040
um I've installed them and removed them
I've lived with them so I I'm I'm I'm

513
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:37,000
fairly prili with them um I worked for
Duke Energy for 30 years and the last

514
00:45:33,559 --> 00:45:45,160
five years of that or so ending in 2012
I guess 2011 2012 it was my job to

515
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:50,319
interconnect um utility scale Sol forms
and so I'll present that to you if if

516
00:45:47,839 --> 00:45:55,200
you want to know any other licenses I
think what we need is just the board's

517
00:45:53,040 --> 00:46:00,880
uh asent that he is an expert in health
and safety of Sol forms right um and and

518
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:06,880
is there any questions on that uh there
is a in the back of that tab uh for the

519
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:13,680
lack of a better word I'll call it a
resume I don't know if it's a full

520
00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:18,599
resume but it it of and and ask that uh
I I think we can certify him as an

521
00:46:16,839 --> 00:46:22,559
expert in health and safety on solar
Farms unless there's any other

522
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,559
discussion on

523
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:31,119
it all right thank you thank you and and
I would say also compatibility I serve

524
00:46:28,720 --> 00:46:36,920
on the planning board in in Nash County
and we've approved 37 so far utility

525
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:43,920
scale Sol forms and so we find them
highly compatible uh with in our County

526
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:47,319
and so I first I think I just put some
boundaries I'm an engineer I work from

527
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:55,680
boundary conditions
and you guys have 16 solar forms already

528
00:46:52,359 --> 00:47:01,040
util 133 megawatts if both of these
forms are approved I'm not here on right

529
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:06,000
now on behalf of Laur Crest but if both
of them were approved with the ones that

530
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:12,720
you already have you would still be
using less than 1% of the land surface

531
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:17,559
area in in the county it's it's it's
it's I know that you say well 600 acres

532
00:47:15,240 --> 00:47:25,079
it's true but and then other one's 400
Acres but totally it it's less than 1%

533
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:29,720
of the count and uh so I think that's
important for some folks to kind of get

534
00:47:27,119 --> 00:47:34,400
in get in perspective U the other thing
I wanted to say is there are no harsh

535
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:38,599
chemicals there's nothing that can leech
out of these panels there's nothing

536
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:42,440
going to store to groundwater fact is
these actually recharge the groundw

537
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:46,400
because they don't use any water it's
not like a farm where you pump them

538
00:47:44,559 --> 00:47:51,760
water out of the ground and irrigating
corn soy beans whatever these solar pels

539
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:55,480
I mean they used to rain because it
washes them off when it gets dust and so

540
00:47:54,359 --> 00:47:59,000
in this part of the country we don't
have to wash them because the rain

541
00:47:56,839 --> 00:48:04,319
watches off that water goes right into
the ground and recharges the aqu and so

542
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:09,520
the fact that they're safe there's very
little traffic associated with typically

543
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:16,680
the one of these Farms would have less
traffic than one residential U dwelling

544
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:20,599
place and there's no odor there's no
noise there not at the boundary with no

545
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:25,760
noise there's a little fan on the
inverter but you can't hear it at the

546
00:48:23,119 --> 00:48:30,559
boundary and they don't run at night so
they make no noise at night and so there

547
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:34,079
will be a substation most likely it'll
have some light security lighting at the

548
00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:37,000
substation just like Duke would have
they're going to have to put their

549
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:42,359
substation in connect with and I'm sure
they gonna have light on theirs too and

550
00:48:39,359 --> 00:48:48,799
so uh but but that's in a sequestered
area so so that that should not be an

551
00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:55,559
impact so in my professional opinion
uh lqu if installed and operated way the

552
00:48:53,440 --> 00:49:01,000
way it's planned would not materially
impact the health and safety

553
00:48:57,599 --> 00:49:05,319
folks in in Scotland County and and I
can talk for 30 minutes or I can just

554
00:49:03,240 --> 00:49:08,319
ask you if you have any questions and
and save your

555
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:17,359
time do
that okay well and and since we have you

556
00:49:14,559 --> 00:49:24,920
certified now if you want to go ahead
and address the other one as well um you

557
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:30,480
can do that I'll be glad to that uh my
my opinion on the one down the road from

558
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:34,680
is the same it's the same topography and
I've already told you about the total

559
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:41,799
land mass and so they're using the same
equipment the same procedures same

560
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:45,640
um all the both of these project would
have to comply with the North Carolina

561
00:49:43,720 --> 00:49:50,520
Department of V quality gonna have to
get uh erosion control

562
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:55,760
sedimentation U plans approved they're
gonna have to have Wetlands approved

563
00:49:52,880 --> 00:50:01,040
before they before they can impact those
they're going to have to have have

564
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:03,920
um I don't have have glare stures on
this one but they're they're going to

565
00:50:02,240 --> 00:50:08,400
have if if there's driveways going to
have to get dot permits for the

566
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:16,359
driveways any this is just a start I
mean I mean they have a many more

567
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:21,119
uh hurdles that they have to get to to
to ever get this thing installed

568
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:26,440
including getting Duke to to to purchase
the energy

569
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:32,480
right okay does anybody have any
question question yeah I'd be glad to

570
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:32,480
entertain question on either one of

571
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:38,680
these oh you don't have I thought you
said you had one okay all right thank

572
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:44,160
you sir very
much

573
00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:44,160
and all right this is

574
00:50:44,240 --> 00:50:52,280
the hi my name is Nick Kirkland with
Kirkland appraisals I'm the property

575
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:59,119
impact study property impact okay trying
to get to the right page here it's the

576
00:50:55,040 --> 00:51:04,680
really big one course marke marke impact
Market is what it's called

577
00:51:01,799 --> 00:51:09,640
okay all right we'll all
right tell us about your qualification

578
00:51:07,839 --> 00:51:14,680
sure I'm a State Certified General
appraiser in North Carolina Kentucky

579
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:17,839
Indiana in Virginia I'm a candidate for
designation through the appraisal

580
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:23,799
Institute I've been accepted as an
expert in property value impacts uh in

581
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:29,640
hundreds of hearings um from boards as
small as planning boards up to um state

582
00:51:26,599 --> 00:51:33,359
citing boards and uh I've been an
appraiser for over nine

583
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:42,880
years okay um and again if you want to
turn to the back of that tab there is a

584
00:51:39,599 --> 00:51:46,200
list of stop calling it I won't call it
a resume but it qualifications is

585
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:49,400
qualifications for for the other
appraiser that signed this my

586
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:53,559
qualifications are not attached I'm
happy to go not yours that is correct

587
00:51:52,119 --> 00:51:57,760
okay there's two appraisers who have
signed this me and another one all right

588
00:51:55,960 --> 00:52:03,400
mine are not
go through mine again if you'd like um

589
00:52:00,119 --> 00:52:07,720
no I no no no it's fine it's okay it's
similar in format it's just right

590
00:52:06,119 --> 00:52:15,440
slightly different courses on different
years okay any objection to him being

591
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:21,280
recognized as a expert
witness all right thank you we certify

592
00:52:18,119 --> 00:52:25,680
your expertise thank you so at Kirkland
appraisals we've looked at uh well over

593
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:29,440
a thousand solar farms uh the vast
majority of which have been located

594
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:32,960
within the southeast and all of those
that we're talking about are ground

595
00:52:31,079 --> 00:52:37,520
mounted utility scale just like is
proposed here so what we've done for uh

596
00:52:35,839 --> 00:52:42,760
the proposed Laurel Crest is we've
looked at okay well out of a thousand

597
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:46,119
plus solar Farms where are they normally
located what's the most common adjoining

598
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:50,799
uses are they normally found in
industrial areas or they found in rural

599
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:53,440
areas or where are they normally found
and additionally what are the most

600
00:52:52,200 --> 00:53:00,119
common adjoining
uses uh what we found is that almost all

601
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:04,960
solar facilities are located in rural to
Suburban areas and predominantly are

602
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:09,440
located on agricultural or uh
residential land uh the common

603
00:53:07,559 --> 00:53:15,040
misconception is that they're cited on
Industrial tracks but that's just

604
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:17,680
typically not something that occurs um
part of something that could lead to

605
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:21,359
that misconception is oftentimes after
they've been rezoned or put a

606
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:25,640
conditional use the land underneath gets
reson to Industrial which can often lead

607
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:29,359
to that uh but this proposed site is
very similar to what we typically see

608
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:33,359
for solar facilities with most of the
adjoining uses being agricultural or

609
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:36,680
residential in nature uh therefore it's
my professional opinion that the

610
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:40,839
proposed use will be in Harmony in the
areas in which it is to be located

611
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:45,400
additionally in order to determine
whether or not this use would have an

612
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:49,240
impact on adjoining property values
we've done what's called a matched pair

613
00:53:47,079 --> 00:53:53,200
or paired sales analysis this involves
comparing homes that have sold adjacent

614
00:53:50,839 --> 00:53:57,480
to solar facilities next to other
similar nearby homes that do not adjoin

615
00:53:55,880 --> 00:54:01,480
these facilities in order to measure for
any difference the idea is if there's

616
00:53:59,599 --> 00:54:06,480
two homes that are very similar except
one is next to the solar facility and

617
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:11,119
one is not what impact does the solar
far Facility have on the value of the

618
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:15,040
adjoining one would be the impact that
the solar facility would typically have

619
00:54:13,240 --> 00:54:19,200
uh so we've got 90 plus examples that
show that houses next to solar

620
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:24,040
facilities do not sell for less than
other nearby houses uh additionally this

621
00:54:21,839 --> 00:54:28,559
is supported by multiple university
studies which show that in rural areas

622
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:32,520
solar facilities do not impact adjoining
property values and finally the last

623
00:54:31,119 --> 00:54:38,359
thing that we've done is we've reached
out to tax assessors and appraisers in

624
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:42,880
the tax departments in 188 counties
across 10 States including Scotland

625
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:47,160
County U of those the respondents have
indicated 90% of them said they make no

626
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:50,280
adjustments to the negative for
adjoining properties that are next to

627
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:55,359
solar facilities so these are for
counties that already have solar farms

628
00:54:52,319 --> 00:55:00,359
in them and sighted in the ground uh 90%
said nope we make no adjustments there's

629
00:54:57,359 --> 00:55:05,920
no basis for adjusting anything any
house next to a solar facility downwards

630
00:55:02,839 --> 00:55:09,520
10% said they had no comment 0% of those
188 counties said they make any

631
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:13,720
adjustment to the negative for joining
properties uh based on these factors

632
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:18,000
it's my professional opinion that the
proposed solar facility will not impact

633
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:22,799
the adjoining property values and I'm
happy to answer any questions you may

634
00:55:19,359 --> 00:55:26,599
have okay anyone have any questions on
is that your opinion as to each of these

635
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:32,079
projects is that it is my opinion into
both of these based on that that data

636
00:55:28,319 --> 00:55:37,760
yes sir okay all right no no questions
from anyone on on Mr Kirkland okay thank

637
00:55:35,079 --> 00:55:37,760
you perfect thank

638
00:55:41,359 --> 00:55:53,240
you I I actually do have a question if I
may okay was is was there in any of your

639
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:58,799
findings did you ever find a case where
the property where the solar farm was

640
00:55:55,920 --> 00:56:04,640
going to was was not harmonious with the
surrounding area and if so

641
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:08,880
why so let me understand the question I
have we ever found whether or not a

642
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:14,680
solar facility would be not harmonious
where it would be located right uh there

643
00:56:11,599 --> 00:56:21,280
are solar facilities that we see that
people ask us to do impact studies on

644
00:56:17,039 --> 00:56:25,760
that we indicate hey the there isn't a
vegetative buffer here that not every

645
00:56:23,240 --> 00:56:31,359
County requires one or there appears to
be some is 50 feet away we're not going

646
00:56:29,359 --> 00:56:36,520
to be able to make an impact study that
says no impact unless these factors can

647
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:41,640
be addressed and oftentimes that helps
as a pre a preliminary measure for uh

648
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:46,000
adjustments to be
made in order for us to make a report

649
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:52,559
that would conform to the data that
we've seen or we are not hired to

650
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:57,640
continue to make an impact study um but
the the projects that we show up and

651
00:56:54,799 --> 00:57:02,599
testify to have been been harmonious and
a lot of that is due to in part if a

652
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:08,319
developer brings forward a project we're
not going to sign something just saying

653
00:57:05,359 --> 00:57:11,680
it's harmonious if it's not harmonious
based on all the data that we've seen in

654
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:17,400
other facilities can you give me an
example of of what it would be near that

655
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:23,400
you would consider it non hormon it it
has less to do with what it would be

656
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:28,599
located near and More in how it is cited
within a community this goes into so

657
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:33,720
there's a concept in appraising called
externalities it's essentially what what

658
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:37,839
are what is a characteristic of a
property that could cause it to impact

659
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:42,079
an adjoining property examples of this
especially in eastern North Carolina

660
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:48,200
would be odor like a hog
facility uh poultry facility um things

661
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:52,680
like that or traffic noise hazardous
materials things of that nature that

662
00:57:49,839 --> 00:57:57,119
could have an impact well for a solar
facility like this the only real concern

663
00:57:55,200 --> 00:58:02,160
is appearance that is the most common
one so when they're not utilizing some

664
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:07,000
sort of extended setback they're not
using vegetative buffer or a landscaping

665
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:12,880
screen within the fencing that helps
those all ameliorate the concerns of uh

666
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:17,599
the appearance for projects that have
not had

667
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:23,920
that in the initial uh request for us to
do an impact study we're replying with

668
00:58:21,039 --> 00:58:29,520
we are not able to furnish you an an
impact study that says this would not

669
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:34,000
have an impact if you do not provide
things to actually mitigate any

670
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:37,200
potential concerns than
sir thank

671
00:58:38,599 --> 00:58:48,240
you can keeping this moving quickly I
think we can do the second application

672
00:58:45,799 --> 00:58:53,440
if you'd like to do that and get all the
evidence in and then have public speak

673
00:58:50,119 --> 00:58:56,559
would that be the okay that would be the
yes

674
00:58:54,480 --> 00:59:04,680
okay um
we um have a more yellow mustard colored

675
00:59:00,599 --> 00:59:10,319
notebook that is on your desk this
notebook is identical in all respects

676
00:59:09,359 --> 00:59:15,839
with the
exception of the um site plan is

677
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:23,559
different at that tab it shows the one
for Scotch cve solar the buffer exhibits

678
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:30,960
are a little bit different uh it shows
where the applicant is going above and

679
00:59:27,319 --> 00:59:36,839
beyond and having uh even more thicker
taller uh Landscaping buffers would it

680
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:43,599
be visible I'm sorry will it be visible
no it will not it will not and that's

681
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:48,119
and that is the whole point uh of this
uh and the only other difference is

682
00:59:45,559 --> 00:59:54,000
there's some information on battery
storage it is possible that Duke Energy

683
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:58,119
may uh uh elect to put some batteries at
the uh point of interconnection that's

684
00:59:56,280 --> 01:00:02,760
not something we know right now so we
put something uh in there on that uh um

685
01:00:01,319 --> 01:00:08,400
and uh commissioner Gibson if I could
address Harmony uh also while I'm

686
01:00:05,359 --> 01:00:16,520
standing here uh the North Carolina
Supreme Court on many occasions has said

687
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:21,839
that when you list a use as allowable in
a certain zoning district there is a

688
01:00:18,839 --> 01:00:27,039
legal presumption that it's harmonious
with other uses and uh so we all we love

689
01:00:25,039 --> 01:00:32,200
putting those cases in it's in we've
actually put it into the notebook and

690
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:37,160
there has to be evidence to the contrary
but in this case you won't be able to

691
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:41,760
see it smell it hear it there won't be
traffic that you can feel um and

692
01:00:40,079 --> 01:00:49,640
especially uh commissioner Williams as
us requested if you can't see it uh the

693
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:53,039
harmony uh is pretty uh clear because uh
the transmission lines historically have

694
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:57,319
been there everybody knows they're there
and you you just don't see you know in

695
01:00:55,319 --> 01:01:02,359
your in your mind
um that conclud I'm sorry we have six

696
01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:08,839
slides that are unique to this we would
just like to very quickly introduced

697
01:01:05,599 --> 01:01:14,319
okay you're up again thank you long time
to see all right so so as Tom mentioned

698
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:18,520
uh this project also located in Scotland
County obviously this is another 80

699
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:23,319
megawatt solar facility this one has the
option to add a 32 megawatt battery

700
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:31,039
again that's up to the discretion of
Duke Energy uh this one is a little bit

701
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:35,119
larger on 750 acres and ultimately uh is
along

702
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:39,599
15501 so similar to Laurel Crest we had
a a neighbors meeting we talked to to

703
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:43,440
folks and we sent out mailers to
everyone who is surrounding the site um

704
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:47,079
after that meeting we had a lot of good
discussion additionally at the planning

705
01:01:45,559 --> 01:01:52,319
board we had a lot of really good
discussion there about some changes that

706
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:56,000
could be made to the site um so again a
lot of this is is familiar but what I do

707
01:01:54,119 --> 01:02:00,240
want to focus on are the changes to this
site uh that we've made to to address

708
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:02,760
the concerns of the planning board and
uh the neighbors so if you go to the

709
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:09,559
next
one along um along

710
01:02:06,359 --> 01:02:14,640
15501 and monrroe road which is to the
north we've increased our setback so uh

711
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:19,680
increase them from increase them 20
times to 200 feet to account for

712
01:02:16,279 --> 01:02:25,279
Neighbors to the north um and 10 times
uh along 15501 to account for that road

713
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:29,359
we know that that's the road that you
use coming in and out of Scotland County

714
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:33,480
uh driven it myself a number of times
now and we want to make sure that that

715
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:38,039
stays to your point harmonious uh with
the remainder of the area um on this

716
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:44,799
site we also add an additional 10 feet
to to Wetland setbacks for a total of

717
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:49,960
four feet 40 feet just to add uh it that
reassurance because this is a larger

718
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:54,760
site um and we we have some existing
Wildlife corridors we've actually added

719
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:59,480
and put some self-imposed restrictions
on additional wildlife corridors so what

720
01:02:57,359 --> 01:03:04,480
that means is essentially our fences
won't block this so the areas that the

721
01:03:01,599 --> 01:03:09,559
wildlife already used to navigate um
from east to west and north to south

722
01:03:06,799 --> 01:03:12,680
they will still be able to get to you so
um we're going to build around those

723
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:18,960
areas to make sure that Wildlife still
have the opportunity to to move

724
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:23,720
freely um we've additionally moved some
some site entrances uh our after

725
01:03:22,039 --> 01:03:27,559
construction our folks will only be out
a couple times a month uh but that being

726
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:32,520
said we didn't want to have site
entrances next to residences so we've

727
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:36,119
moved them around and kind of redesigned
the site to make sure that that uh is

728
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:40,680
better for
folks additionally and I think this is

729
01:03:38,359 --> 01:03:44,200
the one that we're most well I don't
want to say most excited about but we're

730
01:03:42,039 --> 01:03:50,319
very excited about is we've also
increased the vegetative buffer so again

731
01:03:47,119 --> 01:03:54,720
um North along Monroe Road as well as
everywhere that you could see the site

732
01:03:52,039 --> 01:04:00,319
um when driving along 15501 we've
actually increased the vegetative buffer

733
01:03:56,760 --> 01:04:05,559
considerably to 25 ft deep um similarly
if you go to the next site we did work

734
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:10,720
with the landscape um the landscape
design on this one as well just to show

735
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:14,520
like what is this going to look like um
and and what is it actually gonna gonna

736
01:04:13,359 --> 01:04:19,880
what are you actually going to see and
so to your question um you can see

737
01:04:17,279 --> 01:04:24,160
you're not going to see at at eye level
the solar panels you know if you're

738
01:04:21,039 --> 01:04:29,799
flying over it you'll see it um but ey
level you won't see it go next

739
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:34,480
site again this is just everything we've
done for the site um and then last thing

740
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:41,200
I want to touch on um for the the next
slide is again this site has economic

741
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:46,440
benefits uh to Scotland County the
biggest difference here is that if we

742
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:50,640
add in the battery system because that
has an increased amount of capital that

743
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:55,160
would actually add an additional $2
million in tax benefits um so I didn't

744
01:04:53,119 --> 01:04:59,079
want to highlight that there's a range
uh from to seven million and and what

745
01:04:57,000 --> 01:05:04,200
ultimately impacts that is the decision
of whether or not Duke would elect to

746
01:05:01,359 --> 01:05:10,079
add battery storage um and then yeah
everything else everything else is

747
01:05:07,799 --> 01:05:14,440
same I have a question I got a question
for her

748
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:19,680
too as it relates to the buffers and the
the Shrubbery that would be planted what

749
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:24,319
would be the plan for maintaining as it
dies because of course over time some of

750
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:29,319
those trees die and they don't look good
is there a plan for Main yes and that's

751
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:35,279
absolutely so we've been in this
industry again 10 years and we've been

752
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:40,279
in North Carolina during that time uh I
think we'll say frankly we've learned a

753
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:44,000
hard lesson on that where at first we
didn't understand how to how to take

754
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:46,960
care of them as maybe you should um so
that's one of the reasons that we're

755
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:50,520
actually involving landscape architect
early now to make sure that we're

756
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:56,160
planting the right things uh that being
said if there are things that that are

757
01:05:52,559 --> 01:05:59,880
ultimately you know not sustained
um we would we would replace those

758
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:04,039
that's that's part of the ongoing
operations and maintenance that that we

759
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:07,799
do for the sites um but yeah I I
recognize even driving in today I think

760
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:12,720
there are some sites that not I don't I
don't think our sites but um some sites

761
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:16,039
that that don't look great and again
this is a lesson that we've learned over

762
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:18,640
the last 10 years and one of the reasons
we've engaged a landscape architect

763
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:25,680
early
on the the Laura chrest solar site you

764
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:31,079
say would generate 15,000 enough energy
15,000 hom right how many with this s

765
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:35,480
15,000 15,000 yep all right I know you
guys in the business of you know setting

766
01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:39,240
up solar farms and they create energy
for Duke

767
01:06:36,599 --> 01:06:44,680
Energy one of my concerns is when will
the citizens directly be able to benefit

768
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:49,160
from some of this energy yeah when when
when would the citizens of Scotland

769
01:06:46,319 --> 01:06:54,079
County can say that they're not you guys
are not just sending our energy to the

770
01:06:51,799 --> 01:06:57,520
Metro areas and our citizens here have
to look at the solar

771
01:06:58,599 --> 01:07:06,880
yeah maybe well I just stood up Mr
sanifer might be the better one you

772
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:13,279
already are taking advantage of solar
Farms that are in other counties plus

773
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:20,200
this County that are keeping your rates
constant what solar does is a it's a

774
01:07:16,599 --> 01:07:27,440
it's the cheapest form of energy energy
production out there has actually gotten

775
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:35,200
a lot more efficient so that when other
cost might make your energy bills go up

776
01:07:31,319 --> 01:07:43,799
those other cost don't affect solar so
what solar does is to to Pro uh create

777
01:07:39,599 --> 01:07:50,319
an a cost through Cost
Containment they keep rates flatter than

778
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:54,680
they otherwise would be this company
will enter into what is called a

779
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:59,680
purchase uh Power purchase agreement
with Duke and that power purchase

780
01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:04,680
agreement is
flat for several years and then it goes

781
01:08:02,599 --> 01:08:11,599
up by a certain amount but then it's
flat so Duke Energy knows that it's um

782
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:18,040
cost of getting energy from this
facility remains flat and that is a Cost

783
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:23,799
Containment for you and your citizens
now again you've already been benefiting

784
01:08:20,839 --> 01:08:27,520
from solar in this region and that are
being put on this transmission line

785
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:30,719
I Chris you could probably do a better
job than I would you want to add to that

786
01:08:29,799 --> 01:08:36,480
I think
you help stabilize the cost because is

787
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:41,480
because the sunshine cost does not go up
so once you get the capital investment

788
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:46,159
in the maintenance is very low it's not
like a a plant that uses fuel that you

789
01:08:44,839 --> 01:08:49,480
constantly have to worry about what the
price of fuel's going to be because

790
01:08:47,719 --> 01:08:53,640
that's not that's not a concern and the
maintenance is very low so it's just

791
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:59,080
really a capital investment just kind of
sits out there very just and does what

792
01:08:56,759 --> 01:09:05,799
it does these these panels that we're
putting in are very efficient U I'd say

793
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:12,040
they're they're 60 times more efficient
than photo photo synthesis so if you're

794
01:09:09,440 --> 01:09:16,920
putting trying to to make energy with
corn these these would displace 60 Acres

795
01:09:15,440 --> 01:09:21,159
for every acre you trying to make with
corn one acre of solar panel would equal

796
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:25,440
60 Acres that you were trying to make
fuel corn so if you if you're going if

797
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:27,799
you're going to use it for fuel the
other thing I was going to say is step

798
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:33,199
step on
over people watching it live so they can

799
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:37,560
hear you're right at I need to repeat it
no no go ahead okay uh I was gonna say

800
01:09:35,440 --> 01:09:42,960
there's one thing and that's from the
Department of energy um but the EPA has

801
01:09:40,759 --> 01:09:48,359
also done studies and so you want to
know what the benefit is in this County

802
01:09:45,839 --> 01:09:54,960
yeah there there's two parts those that
stay in the county on Lumby River or

803
01:09:51,520 --> 01:10:00,280
other electric those in the CI on the
cities electric city which buys energy

804
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:04,800
from duke
so you know the see the Alber benefit

805
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:09,520
from it this region is in Scotland
County so some of that cost savings can

806
01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:12,920
be passed on to the city in any way well
that's that's what I'm saying they if

807
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:18,280
they're purchasing their energy
electricities is uh laurberg is a part

808
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:21,920
of electricities yes I can't remember
which there's two groups but there're

809
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:25,080
they're one of the groups electricities
but electricities purchases their power

810
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:28,920
from wherever they can get it to cheap
that's the the whole point electricities

811
01:10:26,679 --> 01:10:32,440
let's find the cheapest power we can buy
well if Duke can provide that with solar

812
01:10:31,159 --> 01:10:36,440
then that's how they going to buy it
that's electricity is gonna buy the

813
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:39,560
cheapest power they if it ain't D
they'll buy it from Dominion if not them

814
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:44,640
they'll they're gonna buy it wherever
they can that's that's the whole purpose

815
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:49,719
of that organization is to is to bring a
bunch of municipalities together to buy

816
01:10:47,679 --> 01:10:54,960
yes in bulk and they buy us power as
cheap as he can so yes they're Duke will

817
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:59,440
be able to provide them power at a lower
rate because because of solar that's one

818
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:03,920
that comes from Department of
energy solar Standalone is they produce

819
01:11:02,199 --> 01:11:09,040
electricity deeper in gas cheaper
nuclear cheaper in Coal cheaper in Wind

820
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:13,080
cheaper in Hydro although those options
aren't available anymore I mean there's

821
01:11:10,480 --> 01:11:16,960
no more rivers to Dam up so we got
citizens looking and I just wanted to

822
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:22,480
ask that question but there is another
important for every kilowatt hour that's

823
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:25,920
produced here they're probably paying du
Duke's probably paying them I don't know

824
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:31,400
it's not my business I don't know how
good a negotiator Cypress Creek is but

825
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:37,679
that's they have negotiated uh that
price but half of that money comes back

826
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:44,520
to the to the county in the form of um
reduced Health cost because now for

827
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:50,400
every uh megawatt hour this here is
there's like 30 uh tons of coal ash that

828
01:11:48,719 --> 01:11:54,719
doesn't have to be disposed of there's
not the carbon monoxide there not the

829
01:11:52,520 --> 01:12:00,360
carbon dioxide it's not the nitric oxide
it's not snog all the stuff that emits

830
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:07,000
out of those Stacks you're not having to
bring that anymore according to the EPA

831
01:12:03,440 --> 01:12:13,880
that improves your health by Health cost
by about 2.75 cents a kilowatt hour

832
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:18,000
which is almost what these guys are
getting paid to produce it and your

833
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:23,960
health costs are going down that much
because I think that's a real

834
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:28,320
impact so I mean and that that's worth a
lot I got a question when would the

835
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:32,800
first check be written sir when would
the first check be written to the county

836
01:12:30,679 --> 01:12:37,679
as a form of tax revenue and all that
when

837
01:12:34,440 --> 01:12:42,040
would okay I I heard somebody say they
were talking about putting development

838
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:47,239
here I'm on planning board no no no
that's I'm trying to say was the revenue

839
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:50,840
for tax revenue the money wise oh you're
talking about for the taxes yeah it

840
01:12:49,159 --> 01:12:59,000
would be it would be in the first year
of its construction which anticipated

841
01:12:54,120 --> 01:13:06,159
2027 okay I'm sorry I misunderstood you
okay okay I thought we get to

842
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:13,600
but MoneyWise yeah that's what concerned
of course so depending on on how long uh

843
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:13,600
it takes to get built part of that again

844
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:17,400
is

845
01:13:17,480 --> 01:13:25,080
okay yeah did you did you ever cover the
decommissioning bond on the scotch gr or

846
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:30,560
or was it was on there yeah so it is 7
.6 million um and I I should note that

847
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:35,000
both of those are well above we did
decommissioning estimates for for both

848
01:13:32,159 --> 01:13:37,520
sites and both are well above the I just
didn't see

849
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:47,159
it a couple slides it's it's all right
on the on the scotch gr one up a couple

850
01:13:43,639 --> 01:13:52,800
more the first one there you go yep so
it's gonna be at least seven 7.5 more

851
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:59,040
likely 7.6 million um to to get it back
to uh the original state and and that's

852
01:13:55,719 --> 01:14:03,080
in accordance with your current
coordinance there's a lot of text on

853
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:09,040
there
okay right Mr chairman that concludes

854
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:13,920
the presentation on both Laurel Crest
and Scotch gr solar I think that the

855
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:19,360
board will will find that the evidence
we presented on both is competent

856
01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:25,600
material and substantial we're glad to
be here and to further ask questions if

857
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:29,600
anyone from the public speaks to prevent
to present something that's contrary

858
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:37,600
okay thank you
sir is there anyone else needing to be

859
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:41,760
sworn and testify in this matter uh we
lost Mr mcfa he com back he's com back

860
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:47,520
okay
um hearing and seeing none then we can

861
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:51,639
close the hearing first and we'll do
that now we'll close the hearing on both

862
01:14:49,480 --> 01:14:53,960
of these and then we'll open it up for
board

863
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:57,000
discussion

864
01:14:58,440 --> 01:15:03,600
Mr chairman this I I do want to ask for
clarification and I maybe you should

865
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:10,360
have done it during the actual hearing
yes on page eight of your the very first

866
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:13,480
section where you got you site the court
cases and then you go to the

867
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:21,880
objectives this is in both
yeah I'm if you go down three lines it

868
01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:26,960
should be noted that there will be a few
hundred created I assume that means job

869
01:15:27,480 --> 01:15:33,080
um
yes jobs thank you well I was wondering

870
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:38,320
if we could insert what we wanted like
few hundred, in additional tax

871
01:15:35,719 --> 01:15:42,080
revenue I think it actually said jobs on
the

872
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:45,440
slide right that it's that way in both
of those in both of your books I

873
01:15:43,239 --> 01:15:49,239
appreciate you catching that well I I
just wanted you to know that somebody

874
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:53,320
that that we actually do read this stuff
actually I'm very impressed and thank

875
01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:56,920
you for that I ask it for that reason I
just wanted want

876
01:15:57,080 --> 01:16:06,639
clarification okay any other
discussions there he is

877
01:16:03,679 --> 01:16:10,560
uh all right um if there's no other
questions and no other discussion about

878
01:16:08,440 --> 01:16:17,719
it this time we would need to do two
separate motions here correct I think so

879
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:24,199
and the actual
order if the board or to approve these

880
01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:29,400
is going to be submitted for my review
that's the way we normally do these the

881
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:33,639
applicant would submit a proposed order
for your eventual signature gotcha all

882
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:39,360
right so we'll take them one at a time
Laurel qu Laurel Crest first and then

883
01:16:36,639 --> 01:16:44,560
we'll do Scott
scove application Mr chairman I will uh

884
01:16:43,159 --> 01:16:50,040
make the motion that we approve the
application from La Chris off for a

885
01:16:48,199 --> 01:16:56,280
second all right we have a motion in a
second any other questions

886
01:16:52,040 --> 01:17:00,560
discussion all in favor I I any opposed
all right now we'll offer up Scotch

887
01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:05,320
Grove solar's uh
application keeping in mind that his

888
01:17:03,159 --> 01:17:09,560
conditions of the order provided and
that kind of thing I'd like to offer a

889
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:14,560
motion that we approve the scotch Grove
application pending attorney appr okay

890
01:17:12,239 --> 01:17:21,280
we have a motion in a second any other
discussion all right all in favor any

891
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:26,280
opposed all right thank you
all thank

892
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:30,520
you don't feel like you have to stay if
you need to go I know you got to get

893
01:17:27,639 --> 01:17:36,360
back to Ry so we wouldn't hold that
against you um all right moving on to

894
01:17:33,159 --> 01:17:43,320
the next item on the agenda solar form
solar farm ordinance

895
01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:52,360
amendment that that we discussed
um at our budget session last week

896
01:17:49,159 --> 01:18:00,440
uh I I we didn't do it at that time just
because we wanted to uh make sure there

897
01:17:56,120 --> 01:18:04,520
was uh everybody had time to read it so
um but they did do a presentation and we

898
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:10,000
did hold our public hearing on the
ordinance change at that time so uh did

899
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:15,400
did everybody have a chance to look over
it or have any to offer to say on it or

900
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:19,639
Mr chairman while it was very extensive
and a lot of changes I think it covered

901
01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:28,719
a lot of things that needed to be
covered um and so I was I was pleased

902
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:31,920
okay I I agree um I think that there was
so much information and I think that

903
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:36,800
there were four of us at the meeting at
the time and I think we thought this was

904
01:18:33,679 --> 01:18:41,480
a better uh better something that the
the group as a whole should decide

905
01:18:38,480 --> 01:18:47,199
instead of perhaps just just four I I'll
speak for myself I was a little bit

906
01:18:43,679 --> 01:18:52,159
hesitant um because I felt like the we
had talked about uh different things

907
01:18:50,239 --> 01:18:55,239
that we felt need to be included some of
these were conversations that uh either

908
01:18:54,520 --> 01:19:00,040
we
had with the Planning and Zoning Board

909
01:18:57,159 --> 01:19:04,840
or they reported to us or at least in a
couple of cases maybe we saw when they

910
01:19:02,440 --> 01:19:09,600
were having different discussions on
different types different topics what

911
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:15,679
they had brought up I was
particularly

912
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:20,719
um maybe troubled at the time because
there were four or five lines in there

913
01:19:17,719 --> 01:19:25,520
that gave a lot of discretion to the
making decisions and I felt like that I

914
01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:29,520
maybe maybe maybe that we were looking
for something a little more definitive

915
01:19:27,639 --> 01:19:34,600
as to what we would base our decisions
on the more I thought about it I think

916
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:39,320
that latitude and those um that
discretion was kind of what we were

917
01:19:36,480 --> 01:19:42,880
looking for in there so I I would make
the motion at this time that we adopt

918
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:47,040
the ordinances as they were proposed to
us I'll second motion all right we have

919
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:52,520
a motion in a second any other
discussion uh we do have enough Duke

920
01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:58,159
Duke went to the bathroom but we have
enough here to make that um so all in

921
01:19:54,920 --> 01:20:04,719
favor I I any opposed all right thank
you moving on to uh Mr Gibson Vice chair

922
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:08,560
on some board and committee appointments
yes sir thank you I'm going to work my

923
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:15,400
way from the bottom
up last members of the Zoning Board of

924
01:20:13,199 --> 01:20:22,360
adjustments those persons were Jimmy
Bennett Debbie Evans Frank Evans John

925
01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:28,120
Ferguson and Don
Norton additionally we approved three

926
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:32,920
alternates Daniel doery William Joe
Graves and joy

927
01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:41,080
hind after which we found that we are
not able to appoint but two alternates I

928
01:20:37,239 --> 01:20:45,520
am recommending that we appoint theod
doy and joy Hind and let me explain that

929
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:51,360
in the last meeting I said that we would
do the last to apply Joy hind was we

930
01:20:49,199 --> 01:20:56,760
would drop the last to apply which would
be Joy Hine however Miss Hine is not not

931
01:20:54,880 --> 01:21:02,400
presently serving on any board or
committee Daniel dri does serve on

932
01:20:59,320 --> 01:21:07,880
zoning uh board and William grave serves
on parts and

933
01:21:03,719 --> 01:21:12,000
wreck and uh one other board ABC Board
um and so to give Miss Hine an

934
01:21:09,639 --> 01:21:17,679
opportunity to serve my recommendation
is that we appoint Daniel and joy

935
01:21:15,320 --> 01:21:24,560
additionally um in that same thing we
have to provide alternate uh or

936
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:28,800
staggered um years of service John
Ferguson Don Norton and jimmmy Bennett

937
01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:33,719
have served on this board previously for
a number of years so I want to recommend

938
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:37,480
that we do them at two years Debbie
Evans and Frank Evans are new to the

939
01:21:35,639 --> 01:21:43,520
board I want to recommend that we do
them at three years and the same for joy

940
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:49,520
hin and Daniel docky Daniel at two years
and joy Hine at three years and I want

941
01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:56,120
to offer this as a motion okay Mr clerk
you have it you got okay got it a second

942
01:21:54,080 --> 01:22:02,080
motion Motion in a second for that any
other questions discussion all in favor

943
01:21:59,080 --> 01:22:06,800
all any opposed all right all right my
next is Planning and Zoning Board Mr

944
01:22:04,280 --> 01:22:10,040
Cleo Graham has served a number of years
and certainly appreciative of his

945
01:22:08,239 --> 01:22:16,960
service and he has had to come off the
board because he's reached term we have

946
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:21,400
two applicants for this vacancy Jeff mey
and Billy Thomas I want to offer a

947
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:26,159
motion that we appoint Billy Thomas to
the Planning and Zoning Board okay we

948
01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:31,199
have a motion we have a second second
any

949
01:22:27,199 --> 01:22:36,400
discussion all right all in favor any
opposed all right third we have the

950
01:22:33,239 --> 01:22:42,800
Board of Equalization and review uh
there are two applicants for this board

951
01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:47,920
Miss Mary Helen Norton Miss Alexis Tyson
um these ladies do presently serve or

952
01:22:45,159 --> 01:22:50,639
plan to serve again uh additionally we
have to point a chairman because the

953
01:22:49,239 --> 01:22:54,960
chairman has had to come off of this
board so I want to offer a motion that

954
01:22:52,480 --> 01:22:59,080
we appoint both Miss Mary Helen Norton
and Miss Alexis Tyson and that miss m

955
01:22:57,320 --> 01:23:04,159
Helen Norton be appointed as chair of
the board of

956
01:23:00,840 --> 01:23:11,320
enr exactly all right Motion in a second
any other questions all in favor all all

957
01:23:07,440 --> 01:23:16,440
any opposed and finally the ABC Board
want to offer a motion that we reappoint

958
01:23:13,239 --> 01:23:22,000
chairman Ivy back to serve on that board
we also have two vacancies or two

959
01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:28,120
reappointments applicants that we have
received are Mike Edge Jeff mey Larry MC

960
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:34,679
I want to recommend Jeff me and Larry MC
to serve on the board of ab on the ABC

961
01:23:30,719 --> 01:23:40,960
Board along with chairman I okay motion
we have a motion we have a second second

962
01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:46,440
okay any other discussion all in favor
just discuss that that's including are

963
01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:51,920
we do we do we have to nominate Tim iy
he's in included he's included okay yeah

964
01:23:48,199 --> 01:23:56,600
Tim Avy and Jeff M lar MC and just to
say just so you know Larry McGill is the

965
01:23:53,679 --> 01:24:03,120
current chairman that board so all right
any other discussion all in favor I I

966
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:08,040
any opposed all right thank you sir
moving on County Manager report okay

967
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:13,679
I'll go through these not a lot of
Updates this month but I'll what I have

968
01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:19,760
so far still waiting on the laurberg
Maxton airport no change there uh

969
01:24:16,719 --> 01:24:24,080
Monarch Mr or attorney Johnston is
working with monart to finalize that

970
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:27,840
agreement and the terms in that
agreement

971
01:24:25,199 --> 01:24:33,239
North turn waterline after we met last
week we are still somewhat undecided on

972
01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:38,840
Ace and meral drive and if we will
extend those water

973
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:42,760
lines two roads that would cost an
additional

974
01:24:40,199 --> 01:24:49,080
$400,000 to extend those water lines to
to your original project price so to to

975
01:24:45,679 --> 01:24:55,560
determine if there is interest we uh are
setting up two um informational sessions

976
01:24:53,000 --> 01:25:01,280
out there in that area and so we are
working with the church out there in

977
01:24:57,320 --> 01:25:07,400
that area and um yes sir are we GNA be
prepared next month to decide one way or

978
01:25:03,719 --> 01:25:10,960
another I hope that you are um I hope
that you are because definitely after

979
01:25:09,080 --> 01:25:15,920
these informational sessions that will
be this month before the end of April

980
01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:20,199
walking into may you will certainly I
hope have information you need to make a

981
01:25:17,639 --> 01:25:25,800
decision on that we can go ahead to some
degree with the engineering firm um move

982
01:25:23,679 --> 01:25:30,040
forward with the scope of work because
we can always add air drivein because

983
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:34,400
they've they've already differentiated
between the original project and adding

984
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:37,800
those in will you be sure as you all are
planning to make sure that we are

985
01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:42,400
included so that we can be present
absolutely we're we are tying down the

986
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:47,000
dates with that church but right now we
are thinking April 22nd and then turn

987
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:51,960
around and have another one April 30th
and I believe those are both Tuesdays in

988
01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:54,920
April uh but we will get that out once
the church has finalized those I will be

989
01:25:54,040 --> 01:25:59,600
out
um Miss Dorothy is is summon is telling

990
01:25:57,440 --> 01:26:05,320
me it's April
23rd but so we'll make sure everybody

991
01:26:02,440 --> 01:26:09,719
knows those and um we hope to finalize
that this week so we'll get those out

992
01:26:07,440 --> 01:26:13,760
there um moving
along I'm going to move over some of

993
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:17,840
these because there's really not a lot
of update I'm just not taking them off

994
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:23,239
so they don't slip through the cracks
anywhere um our Scotland County IT

995
01:26:22,159 --> 01:26:29,119
services
so I feel like a broken record but it is

996
01:26:26,199 --> 01:26:33,800
true every month we make progress right
now the biggest progress we've made I

997
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:38,679
would say from last month to this month
are a few things where we've implemented

998
01:26:35,960 --> 01:26:43,320
something called CIS Mitch March and
those are um what you would say best

999
01:26:41,199 --> 01:26:46,480
practice standards for your it and your
cyber security and that is something

1000
01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:51,520
that the National Guard absolutely
recommended that we do and so those have

1001
01:26:49,119 --> 01:26:57,840
been rolled out for a lack of better
words and those are things like um

1002
01:26:55,000 --> 01:27:02,600
setting up multiactor authentication
we're in the process of doing that

1003
01:27:00,239 --> 01:27:10,000
setting up where where we used to could
have almost any old password now it's

1004
01:27:05,639 --> 01:27:14,639
this 16 digit all these mix so things
like that best practice that we have to

1005
01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:19,400
roll out do we still have people using
laptops we do have people using laptops

1006
01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:24,639
what I was going to report however and I
checked in with DSS and health today

1007
01:27:21,360 --> 01:27:31,000
because those are our two largest
um departments and the

1008
01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:34,040
ones that probably have had the least
rate resources if you looked at the

1009
01:27:32,679 --> 01:27:38,880
number of people to the number of
laptops we could give them and right now

1010
01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:42,520
every person has one on their desk as of
last week so I checked in with those

1011
01:27:40,840 --> 01:27:47,560
directors this morning to make sure of
that vc3 sent a team down last week to

1012
01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:52,760
give a big push to get that done some
now those will not most likely not be

1013
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:58,440
their everyday
operating computer comp but it got a

1014
01:27:55,560 --> 01:28:04,840
computer on a desk so everybody has one
to work on so what what what what do we

1015
01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:09,639
do have up where there not what
departments so the network so I can

1016
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:15,600
describe it like this the network is
standing up and so we have several

1017
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:19,760
departments that are on the network and
working pretty close to normal at this

1018
01:28:18,159 --> 01:28:25,800
point so we like have Finance on the
network some of admin Sheriff's

1019
01:28:22,719 --> 01:28:30,040
Department um some of DSs and health are
on the network and so it's it's almost

1020
01:28:28,440 --> 01:28:34,080
like a mix throughout the county and
that that doesn't sound like an

1021
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:40,280
organized way to go about that but
there's the main reason behind that for

1022
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:46,159
health and DSs is the state for any
employee that needs to use a state

1023
01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:51,639
maintained website they have to approve
the IP address that we are logging on

1024
01:28:48,760 --> 01:28:54,920
from and so our original IP address
sitting on eight will require to get

1025
01:28:53,520 --> 01:29:00,560
that approved
once that happens all those computers at

1026
01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:06,679
health and DSs can go on the network and
we're very close to normal again um well

1027
01:29:05,400 --> 01:29:09,679
the question I would ask the last
discussion well not the last discussion

1028
01:29:08,280 --> 01:29:13,719
I had with the sheriff but he mentioned
to me that they were pretty much back up

1029
01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:19,239
on everything with exception of the cad
and the cars do that come up or it's not

1030
01:29:16,920 --> 01:29:26,040
still so they still don't we one saying
yes and one saying no so is

1031
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:26,040
it

1032
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:37,760
okay right another another piece of of
this this puzzle is that a lot of our

1033
01:29:35,119 --> 01:29:42,119
equipment was basically end of life um
it it just wasn't replaced although it

1034
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:47,000
needed to be replaced so we've taken the
time now Scotland County knows every

1035
01:29:44,520 --> 01:29:50,880
piece of of equipment in this County
where it is when it was purchased and

1036
01:29:49,360 --> 01:29:55,719
when it's going to be an end of life and
honestly that was a massive project and

1037
01:29:53,119 --> 01:29:59,520
so are we working on a rotation plan
exactly and so that is part of the

1038
01:29:57,440 --> 01:30:03,239
project and it worked out rather well
and that half the equipment can be

1039
01:30:01,119 --> 01:30:09,639
replaced between now and next fiscal
year and then going into future fiscal

1040
01:30:07,159 --> 01:30:14,679
years the other half can be replaced and
then we stay on a rotation we're also

1041
01:30:11,719 --> 01:30:20,159
doing things like um staff would have a
desktop computer and a laptop almost

1042
01:30:18,040 --> 01:30:23,320
every staff having two computers no need
for that you're going to have a laptop

1043
01:30:21,639 --> 01:30:28,360
with a docking station and when you
leave pick it up up and go with it and

1044
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:33,480
so trying to consolidate some things uh
make things more efficient and reduce

1045
01:30:30,280 --> 01:30:40,000
the cost of even if it's just equipment
to the county um I could probably keep

1046
01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:45,520
talking about it for a long time but
that is the biggest that's the

1047
01:30:42,040 --> 01:30:50,000
overall um The Wave project at the
courthouse that has been completed if

1048
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:56,239
you remember that was a project through
AOC where all the county had to do was

1049
01:30:53,040 --> 01:31:02,239
run the cat 6 lines and then AOC came in
and put up all the the boxes that get

1050
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:07,159
WiFi throughout the entire courthouse
and that really something we didn't have

1051
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:12,199
a choice but to do and then finally we
um you can see on the right side we're

1052
01:31:10,159 --> 01:31:17,440
doing some different things with our
Printing and copying assessments uh and

1053
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:22,639
service consolidation things that we're
identifying a a as I've been here for a

1054
01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:26,239
few months and as we're making the
budget what we are paying for

1055
01:31:24,440 --> 01:31:33,320
duplicative services and we don't need
to do that and so we we're seeing that

1056
01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:37,480
now across C across departments and we
shouldn't be doing that and so once

1057
01:31:35,480 --> 01:31:42,360
contracts run out we can end them with
certain vendors because the county

1058
01:31:39,239 --> 01:31:46,199
already has access to that so that is my
report unless there's something

1059
01:31:44,040 --> 01:31:52,040
particular you all want to ask is there
any progress on the uh East laberg

1060
01:31:48,280 --> 01:31:59,159
recycling center there is not and um
really I I told myself by next month if

1061
01:31:55,040 --> 01:32:03,719
if I can't get an answer about
um still waiting on the survey the last

1062
01:32:01,560 --> 01:32:09,880
thing I heard was waiting on a survey
right

1063
01:32:06,199 --> 01:32:13,760
so i' I've contacted the surveyor and
the land

1064
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:19,119
owner um and I'm just not sure where we
are with that as far as if the interest

1065
01:32:16,360 --> 01:32:19,119
is still there to

1066
01:32:21,280 --> 01:32:28,760
sell so by so by the next meeting we
make have a different conversation about

1067
01:32:25,320 --> 01:32:35,360
that all right thank you ma'am next item
is uh commissioner news we'll start with

1068
01:32:31,400 --> 01:32:43,080
Mr forel I ain't got
nothing F Mr Williams Mr Gibson go

1069
01:32:43,679 --> 01:32:53,360
wolfa I'm okay witha yeah
yeah I will give it to them they played

1070
01:32:49,840 --> 01:32:57,639
a good game last I will give but anyway
all right well without hearing anything

1071
01:32:54,760 --> 01:33:03,600
else we'll recess this meeting until
next Wednesday at 9:00 a.m. at the

1072
01:33:00,880 --> 01:33:11,800
street when Morgan Center next Wednesday
the 10th the 10th yes sorry U okay all

1073
01:33:09,159 --> 01:33:17,860
in favor we'll see you then thank you
all for

1074
01:33:12,719 --> 01:33:20,950
coming beat them join them for don't
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1075
01:33:21,719 --> 01:33:33,480
forget hey dude at least I will say it
at least it was Duke that they

1076
01:33:29,080 --> 01:33:33,480
buat okay I am going to be out of

1077
01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:41,000
town can't
beat John look we got somebody got there

1078
01:33:39,119 --> 01:33:49,080
was several people run into him I mean
he didn't move IAL well yeah but

1079
01:33:44,880 --> 01:33:55,719
either last week he going up to his
daughter house so we got to figure

1080
01:33:50,920 --> 01:33:55,719
something out I'mma just leave I don't

1081
01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:03,800
Jason

1082
01:34:05,239 --> 01:34:09,080
resched CU I don't know what